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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-12-07

---Logopened Fri Dec 07 00:00:04 2007
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00:49<msan>Anyone know what is needed in order to use Bluetooth on my laptop to talk to my mobile phone ?
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01:03<Stuufman>quit
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01:15<mike>Anyone got a working lenny kde iso link?
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01:17<Supaplex>mike: did you try this one? http://users.surfthe.us/supaplex/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
01:17<mike>Supaplex, Yes it installs up to 5% and stops?
01:18<mike>net install of debian 4.0 is fine
01:18<Supaplex>isn't that the same issue you had on the other iso?
01:18<mike>but not lenny
01:18<mike>Supaplex, same issue ,,yes
01:18<Supaplex>if etch is installed, do etch->lenny
01:18<Supaplex>!etch->lenny
01:18<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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01:19<mike>Supaplex, ok
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01:34<Rocks>hi man
01:35<Rocks>i have one problem
01:35<Rocks>please help me
01:35<Rocks>debian:/# rm
01:35<Rocks>Segmentation fault
01:35<Rocks>debian:/#
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01:35<Rocks>cahoot, are u here?
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01:36<cahoot>yes but leaving soon
01:36<Rocks>cahoot,
01:36<Rocks>one question
01:36<Supaplex>was it really neccessary to ping the channel?
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01:36<streuner_>.oO this was a really bad idea
01:36<Rocks>sorry Supaplex
01:36<Rocks>i'am worng
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01:37<Rocks>so..
01:37<Rocks>i have one problem
01:37<Rocks>debian:/# rm
01:37<Rocks>Segmentation fault
01:37<Rocks>debian:/#
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01:37<streuner_>*plonk*
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01:37<Rocks>sorry for flood
01:37<Supaplex>what release of debian are you using?
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01:38<Rocks>sarge 4.0
01:38<Supaplex>sarge is 3.1
01:38<Rocks>uhm
01:38<Rocks>srry
01:38<Rocks>etch is 4.0
01:38<Supaplex>post your /etc/apt/sources.list to rafb.net
01:38<Rocks>?
01:39<Supaplex>er, http://rafb.net/paste
01:39<Supaplex>yes, etch is 4.0
01:39<Rocks>ok
01:39<Rocks>wait
01:39<Rocks>http://rafb.net/p/yJ4VmK63.html
01:40<Supaplex>etch it is. how long have you seen this issue?
01:40<Rocks>now
01:41<Supaplex>so it last worked earlier today? yesterday? or last week?
01:41<Rocks>uhm
01:41<Rocks>i don't remember Supaplex
01:41<Rocks>i have luch one script
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01:41<Rocks>but i don't remember
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01:41<Supaplex>you don't remember when the last time it worked?
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01:42<Supaplex>does /bin/false segfault to?
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01:42<Rocks>sorry Supaplex my eglish i s bad
01:42<Rocks>i'am not understand al
01:42<Rocks>gH
01:42<Supaplex>!de
01:42<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
01:42<Rocks>*all
01:43<streuner_>he is italian, just using the wrong mirror :-)
01:43<Supaplex>ahh
01:43<Supaplex>!it
01:43<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
01:43<Rocks>asd
01:43<Rocks>but can u help me too?
01:43<streuner_>run /bin/false and tell us the output
01:44<Supaplex>not if you do not understand me *shrug*
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01:44<jochieng>hello everyone... i am having this error when starting X server :- "Xauth:(argv):1: bad display name "jochieng" in "remove" command jochieng"
01:44<jochieng>someone please help
01:44<Supaplex>false should not print any error messages. it exits with an error code.
01:45<jochieng>Xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "jochieng" in "remove" command jochieng
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01:45<Rocks>streuner_,
01:45<Rocks>run?
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01:46<streuner_>!it
01:46<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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01:52<chandu>Hi
01:52<chandu>I want to know , how can I print or make the text display over the boot splash image in silent mode
01:52<chandu>Below the progress bar , I want display text like "Loading modules ..."
01:52<chandu>something like this
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01:55<chandu>Can anyone give me some hints on this
01:55<chandu>I tried fbtruetype, but text is not getting displayed
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01:58<jochien1>please..
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02:05<mediahunter>does anyone know if freenode is down
02:05<Supaplex>mediahunter: heinlein.freenode.net works for me.
02:06<kmap>mediahunter: I am seeing a huuuuuge number of netsplits today
02:06<kmap>Noth on OFTC as well of freenode.
02:06<mediahunter>ok
02:06<mediahunter>so dont try irc.freenode.net then right
02:06<Supaplex>I'm only seeing netsplits on oftc atm
02:07<Supaplex>however, christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/gentoo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all! One of our sponsors experienced a rather large ddos attack just now, which in turn caused disturbance on the network. As a result that leaf server is not accepting client connections atm. Apologies for the inconvenience and have a good day.
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02:20<jturek>q!
02:20<jturek>:q!
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02:24<jochien1>i am having problems changing my hostname and i cant startx cos of this, any help. I am told i hv to edit a couple of files not only /etc/hosts
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02:27<jochien1>..my /etc/hosts has:
02:27<jochien1>127.0.0.1 jochieng.xxx.co.ug jochieng
02:27<jochien1>192.168.1.118 jochieng.xxx.co.ug jochieng
02:27<jochien1>is this a wrong format? thanks in advance
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02:31<hotchips>good morning everyone. I am a beginner learning how to use Debian GNU/Linux. Could anyone tell me how is the way to establish a remote connection to a headless PC running just a base+standard install of Debian Etch? which is the program to learn how to use so I can remotely control this PC that I want to run as a web server? Thanks for any help.
02:32<jochieng>try vnc
02:32<Supaplex>hotchips: ssh
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02:33<simonrvn>jochieng: please don't paste here, and you'll want to look at /etc/hostname too
02:34<hotchips>so I will have to install then vnc package and ssh on the server? will I have to install these packages in the machine from which I want to make the remote connection? It's one running windows XP... *coughs*
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02:38<hotchips>jochieng , supaplex thanks for the info I will check how those packages work. :)
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02:40<Supaplex>hotchips: ssh alone should be enough if you're not accessing any gui (eg, X11). putty is free for windows.
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02:45<alaya>xxx.co.ug - x-rated site in uganda?
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02:46<Supaplex>it's alaya's secret stash of naked animals
02:47<alaya>heh, i thought i might be something more like national geographic
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02:47<alaya>s/i/it/ oops
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02:54<jochieng>simonrvn: my appologies.. this is my very first time to use irc and i wouldnt knw what pasting is but i guess i will hv to write just like th others...
02:55<simonrvn>jochieng: copy&pasting into the channel. hence using a paste bin, so you just have to paste the url, and not the entire text
02:55<simonrvn>!paste
02:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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02:56<jochieng>siminrvn thanks alot for th headsup
02:57<simonrvn>:)
02:57<Flashdown>how can i do a netbios name resolution under debian
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02:57<jochieng>back to my issue... do u think tht my /etc/hosts is correct
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02:58<Flashdown>!de
02:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
02:58<simonrvn>no, you're missing localhost, and there should be only one ip for your FQDN
02:59<jochieng>ok thanks mate, let me try and edit it again... thanks again
02:59<jochieng>brb
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03:03<Supaplex>Flashdown: nmblookup
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03:07<Flashdown>thx @ Supaplex
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03:07<Flashdown>but #debian.de was faster ;)
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03:13<vic>can i help me
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03:13<alaya>thou cannst indeed
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03:14<vic>i was set up my pc
03:14<vic>first is kubuntu
03:14<vic>now is ubuntu
03:14<vic>but i can access to my folder
03:14<Supaplex>vic: topic
03:15<vic>security
03:15<vic>folder permission
03:15<Supaplex>vic: we're not #ubuntu
03:15<vic>sorry
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03:26<jochieng>i dont know why but i have changed my hostname but X wont start still giving me same error bad display name..!!!!
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03:27<simonrvn>did you check /etc/hostname too?
03:28<jochieng>oh no
03:28<jochieng>let me do tht again!
03:28<Supaplex>don't change localhost
03:28<jochieng>ok
03:28<Supaplex>127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
03:29<jochieng>yes thts th way i edited it let me change /etc/hostname too now get back later
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03:39<troyen>salut
03:41<dude>hello, i need to be able to write out in math and scientific notation, i cant find a writer anyone familiar with this?
03:41<Supaplex>TeX lives for that stuff
03:41<Supaplex>!latex
03:41<dpkg>latex is, like, (pronounced la tech) a set of macros for the TeX document formatting system. awesome, or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/LaTeX/, or read The Not-So-Short Guide to LaTeX : http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/, or http://www.tex.ac.uk/
03:41[~]simonrvn sends dude to stephen king's place of residence
03:42[~]Supaplex notifies stephen king fans to lay wait for dude's abduction
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03:43<simonrvn>hehe
03:43<Supaplex>what movie was that in?
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03:45<simonrvn>you're asking someone who isn't great with names... i *think* it was in an older one
03:45<Supaplex>yea, eaisly 12y ago or more
03:46<george>deres always imdb
03:46<Supaplex>true
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04:02<peter_>Hello!
04:02<Supaplex>greetings
04:02<peter_>;) back again
04:03<peter_>can I install dev c++ from aptitude?
04:04<peter_>!dpkg
04:04<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
04:04<peter_>!dev
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04:04<Supaplex>!tell peter_ -about search
04:04<Supaplex>!tell peter_ about selftell
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04:05<peter_>thanks
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04:07<Supaplex>np
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04:26<julo>hi
04:26<Supaplex>greetings
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04:26<julo>I'm trying to set up a dial-in server, but I don't want to ask for a username. Is it possible to do so with mgetty.
04:27<julo>All I want is for mgetty to directly call a custom program when the connection is established.
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04:28<Supaplex>sounds like a bbs :)
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04:29<julo>Supaplex: yes, it's almost that :)
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04:31<Gekz>hello
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04:31[~]Supaplex slaps the ZZzZZz button - laters
04:32<Supaplex>good luck julo
04:33<Gekz>I have created an installer using debian-installer, a monolithic installer for lenny, that I can put on a usb stick and is a net installer under 16MB. The problem is, it doesn't install Lenny, it installs Etch. I understand the risk involved with using an installer to install Lenny, but I do have my reasons. Could you please tell me why teh installer may be choosing etch by default and how I
04:33<Gekz>could fix this?
04:33<julo>Supaplex: I think I've foudn it, but thanks anyway :) -> login-env-ttyprompt-hack
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04:42<Abu-Aadam>Hi I'd like to be able to burn an .avi to a DVD as a video dvd
04:42<Abu-Aadam>what software can do that
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05:00<Benneben|work>Background: I've had problems installing Debian on my SATA disks, because of the kernel in the latest stable 4.0 didn't support it yet
05:01<Benneben|work>Background: I've downloaded a custom made debian-installer found on the internet thanks to someone in here
05:01<Benneben|work>Problem: After GRUB is installed, logically he wants to reboot, but then GRUB gives me the error 21
05:02<cmot>any hal experts out there?
05:02<Benneben|work>Question: Can I check somehow how GRUB sees my SATA disk?
05:02<cmot>I'm looking for a way to mount usb sticks (via KDE's media:/ and that means hal) with permissions 0660 instead of 0600.
05:02<cmot>Anybody?
05:02<cmot>#freedesktop on freenode is silent :-(
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05:03<Benneben|work>Extra info: for the moment when I look in /boot/GRUB/menu.lst het tells me it's hda(0,0) and hda(0,1)
05:06<daffytheduck>Benneben|work: are u using another distro or live cd
05:06<Benneben|work>daffytheduck: no debian
05:07<Benneben|work>costum image downloaded at http://mirror.home-dn.net//d-i/
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05:07<daffytheduck>where is grub installed is it on your hard drive boot sector or is it on a floppy
05:07<Benneben|work>etch-custom-1014
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05:07<Benneben|work>HDD
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05:08<daffytheduck>so you are able to boot debian without any worries at the moment
05:08<Benneben|work>no I can't boot
05:08<daffytheduck>how are u talking to me
05:08<Benneben|work>from work
05:08<daffytheduck>on another pc
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05:08<daffytheduck>ok
05:09<daffytheduck>to fix grub youll have to get the live cd
05:09<daffytheduck>boot into it
05:09<daffytheduck>and run grub
05:10<Benneben|work>well I think that won't be the answer
05:10<daffytheduck>well if grub is all mucked up in the boot sector you have to update it
05:10<Benneben|work>because after the installation right before reboot I could check everything and run update-grub
05:10<daffytheduck>ok
05:11<Benneben|work>at that time I can perfectly use my installation, I even tested apt-get install
05:11<daffytheduck>ususally there is an advanced option when installing grub
05:11<daffytheduck>and it asks you where u want to install it to
05:11<Benneben|work>yep
05:12<daffytheduck>ie (fd0) (hd0,0) etc
05:12<daffytheduck>where did u install it to
05:12<Benneben|work>I always said in the mbr
05:12<daffytheduck>ok
05:12<Benneben|work>I never really used the advanced option
05:12<daffytheduck>and what happens when u boot the machine does grub come up
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05:13<Benneben|work>Yeah he tells me GRUB loading stage 1.5...
05:13<Benneben|work>and afterwards error 21
05:13<daffytheduck>grub is not properly installed then
05:14<daffytheduck>i think you have to run grub from a live CD
05:14<Benneben|work>question: when he tells me loading stage 1.5 does he use files from /boot/grub already or is he still only in the MBR?
05:14<daffytheduck>and then put in root (hd0,1) or whereever your debian partition is
05:15<daffytheduck>one sec
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05:17<daffytheduck>http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Installing-GRUB-natively
05:18<daffytheduck>you need to do some reading Benneben|work
05:20<Benneben|work>*reading*
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05:23<Benneben|work>so If I understand this correctly:
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05:23<Benneben|work>I have to boot a live cd with a kernel high enough so it sees my HDD
05:23<Benneben|work>then run grub
05:24<Benneben|work>sorry chroot first
05:24<Benneben|work>then run grub
05:24<Benneben|work>and then grub> setup (hd0)
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05:24<Benneben|work>or the device I did chroot to
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05:33<ChaosR>what is a good gui video encoding tool for linux (not codecs, just to make it way more simple)
05:33<petemc>mencoder, ffmpeg
05:34<bcochofel>Hi, how can I purge a delete document under linux?
05:34<petemc>shred
05:35<petemc>tho, if you mean something already deleted, im not sure
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05:35<bcochofel>petemc: was that for me?
05:35<petemc>yes
05:35<sep>petemc, gui ? :)
05:35<petemc>hmm?
05:36<petemc>is gui a question?
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05:36<sep>nvm
05:36<bcochofel>petemc: I'm using, well not me but the person who deleted the file, KDE
05:37<petemc>bcochofel: im not sure if kde uses a .Trash type setup or not, if thats your question
05:37<ChaosR>petemc: what is a good _GUI_ video encoding tool for linux
05:37<bcochofel>petemc: there's nothing under trash
05:37<bcochofel>I was trying to find if there's an undelete option on the file system
05:37<themill>kdenlive
05:37<ChaosR>I want to encode some things to h.264
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05:40<ChaosR>themill: not what i'm looking for
05:40<ChaosR>I just want to convert some xvid/h.264 files to smaller h.264 files
05:41<ChaosR>so I can better archive them
05:41<themill>ChaosR: ah sorry... I thought you were looking for an editor too.
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05:42<petemc>sep: i see now what you meant :)
05:42<petemc>ChaosR: i dont _know_
05:43<ChaosR>hmm
05:43<petemc>you dont like reading man pages?
05:43<petemc>ffmpeg is simple to use
05:43<ChaosR>does ffmpeg have a "target file size" option?
05:43<sep>bcochofel, depends on the filesystem
05:44<bcochofel>sep: ext3
05:44<sep>bcochofel, no undelete there i am afraid, part of the whole journaling thing
05:44<sep>bcochofel, ask dpkg about undelete for details
05:44<bcochofel>sep: that's bada
05:45<bcochofel>!dpkg undelete
05:45<sep>bcochofel, no it's great to have the FS consistent at all times, i _HATE_ fsck on 15TB
05:45<themill>!undelete
05:45<dpkg>it has been said that undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
05:45<peter_>:)
05:45<bcochofel>ok, themill thx
05:45<peter_>^^
05:45<sep>bcochofel, nothing beats backups i'm afraid
05:46<bcochofel>sep: ok, thx
05:46<sep><3 backuppc <3
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05:53<sheldonh>should i be able to install linux-image-2.6.22-3 from etch backports in an etch chroot? i get an undisclosed error: http://rafb.net/p/lUmrUd73.html
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05:53<sheldonh>the "Ok, aborting" has me think there's a check for something, but i'm buggered if i can figure out what
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05:56<sheldonh>*sigh* strace time
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05:57<themill>sheldonh: I'm not sure how the preinst copes with bootloaders in the chroot. Never tried it myself.
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05:58<sheldonh>aptitude install less... "Some packages removed" ;)
05:58<aptitude>no idea, sheldonh
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06:01<sheldonh>themill: yup, that's the ballpark. "Ok, Aborting" happens after an ENOENT trying to stat /boot/lilo.conf
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06:01<sheldonh>themill: postinst hook script update grub
06:03<[gloom]>morning
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06:03<[gloom]>hhehehe: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/
06:03<[gloom]>I'm going to switch to this distro right now!
06:04<themill>[gloom]: is that (a) appropriate for #debian and (b) safe for people who are on IRC at work?
06:04<aricz>hehe nice one
06:04<[gloom]>yes, no problem
06:04<[gloom]>no porn, it's just funny
06:05<[gloom]>themill: agree?
06:05<themill>that's nsfw in most work places
06:05<[gloom]>really? but it's only text man. A comedy about debian
06:06<sheldonh>themill: perhaps i can suppress the configure stage of the install, do some grub magic, then complete the install?
06:06<[gloom]>ok, sorry then:D it intended just to be a joke:D
06:06<themill>[gloom]: at least mark such things as being nsfw. Others might also think that it's not appropriate for #d either. Not for me to decide though.
06:07<themill>sheldonh: do you have grub installed in the chroot already?
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06:07<sheldonh>themill: yes
06:07<sheldonh>themill: i can't tell from the trace what's going wrong, though
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06:08<themill>sheldonh: do you want the bootloader to actually be installed? i.e. is this a chroot that's going to become a real installation? or is this just some experimentation with packages and you don't want the bootloader messing with your disks?
06:09<sheldonh>themill: the latter. all i actually want is a kernel and initramfs to rip out of the chroot and plonk onto a multidistro pxe-based install server, on which debian installs are broken because the existing kernel and initramfs don't support the NIC on a new motherboard
06:09<sheldonh>*phew*
06:09<themill>eep....
06:10<sheldonh>fun and games :)
06:10<sheldonh>themill: eventually, i'll migrate the customer to FAI, but here i am :)
06:12<themill>You could just extract the kernel from the .deb yourself (using dpkg-deb or ar+tar) and then you've got the kernel+modules. And run update-initramfs manually.
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06:14<sheldonh>themill: yeah, i'm trying, but i seem to have misplaced my initramfs-tools driver's license :)
06:15<sheldonh>aha!
06:15<themill>heh
06:15<sheldonh>-k all doesn't work if a kernel isn't actually installed
06:15<sheldonh>but -k 2.6.22-3-686 was marvellous!
06:15<themill>I was afraid that was going to be a problem... but it's not. Good stuff.
06:15<sheldonh>this sure beats being a plumber :)
06:16<themill>;)
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06:35<peter_>how to del dir ?
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06:36<worrawit_007>hi
06:36<peter_>rmdir ;)
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06:37<worrawit_007>hfjfdjhdgf
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06:43<peter_>When I useradd, his home dir is making while user login ?
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06:43<peter_>cause, it isnt created when I make just useradd kacper
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06:57<winjer>anyone know what's going on with this error from apt-get:
06:57<winjer> 403 Forbidden: header 'Content-Type' value denied
06:57<winjer>while trying to install python-setuptools
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07:01<lindenle_>so Where does one get nzb files?
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07:06<streuner_>dpkg, wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, streuner_. It's good to be back.
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07:13<gsimmons>peter_: Home directories aren't created by default with useradd, you'll need to use either the -m or --create-home options. Alternatively, use adduser.
07:15<peter_>gsimmons, can you give me example?
07:15<peter_>useradd --create-home ?
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07:16<peter_>useradd kaper --create-home blabla?
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07:16<gsimmons>peter_: "useradd -m kacper", which will also create /home/kacper. See the useradd man page.
07:17<peter_>gsimmons, it is working, thanks
07:17<frank>for users adduser is recommended, iirc
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07:18<peter_>frank, so useradd dont make group like adduser?
07:19<peter_>so... is there other command than userdel ?
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07:24<noflash>peter_, this stuff does come with documentation...try debian.org
07:24<ody>got a little problem, I installed nvidia-glx and the drivers, module glx is loader in xorg.conf but when I type glxinfo I get command not found. What did I do wrong?
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07:25<peter_>noflash oh, if yes, it will make much easily ;>
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07:26<noflash>peter_, the installation manual and the reference are both good :)
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07:35<[gloom]>I'm trying to compile the river for inter 4965AGN, and I have seen the debian guide on http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi. I installed the firmware from the repos, and compiled the iwlwifi driver, but in the intellilinuxwiresless.org there's a package mac80211 that it's nos used in the debian guide. What is it for?
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07:36<user>hi
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07:37<themill>[gloom]: what kernel are you using?
07:38<[gloom]>2.6.22
07:38<themill>from debian?
07:38<[gloom]>compiled it myself, but didn't touch anything from the network config, so it may have everything the precompiled image has
07:39<themill>then you shouldn't need the mac80211 sources from intel as they have already been merged upstream into the main kernel.
07:39<[gloom]>aha
07:39<[gloom]>thx
07:39<themill>np (and btw, I wrote that guide, that's how I know it works :)
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07:50<[gloom]>themill: heheh, ok. The guide works:D I have the module, inserted with modprobe, and inserted too the mac80211 modules
07:50<themill>you shouldn't need to manually insert the mac80211 modules, they should be dragged in automatically by modprobe.
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07:51<[gloom]>but when I run iwlist wlan0 scan it says: wlan0 No scan results. I don't know how to know if the wifi is on, cause there's a special key to enable it, bu I have read that in linux the led does not work. How can I know it?
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07:52<[gloom]>I mean, when I'm in the console, and I press the special key it show error message of unkonw keystroke
07:52<[gloom]>unknown*
07:52<[gloom]>so I don't know if it's really turining on/off the wifi
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07:55<themill>there should be a wifi light -- steady means associated, flashing intermittently means unassociated, off means off, mostly on with the odd flash off means tx/rx.
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07:56<[gloom]>mmm, no in this laptop. I have read some websites, saying that the wireless conection works with this driver, but not the status led:D It's a fucking acer5920G, with special hotkeys all over the laptop, and no one work:D
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07:57<[gloom]>the led in those keys, is controled by software in windows. It's not like the keyboard hw leds. It's a software matter. THere's a kernel module out there, that controls it in linux for older acer, but still incompatible with this model
08:01<[gloom]>I have to reboot. It hanged the rmmod while trying to remove a module. I'll come back in a sec
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08:09<peter_>^^ Hello Eulex ;)
08:11<Eulex>hello, whoever you are :)
08:11<peter_>;>
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08:17<dude>is there an app in the repo with the same functionality as cn3d?
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08:24<[gloom]>themill: I reboot did the work. Now it seems I can scan with the wifi with iwlist, although neither network-manager-kde now kwifimanager seem to detect the wireless card
08:25<themill>are you in the netdev group?
08:25<[gloom]>let's see
08:26<themill>network-manager-kde should work (it does for me), but give kwifimanager a miss, I've never yet seen it work for anything.
08:26<themill>[gloom]: at a konsole, type: id
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08:26<[gloom]>I have added myself to the netdev. Do I need to reboot for the changes to take effect?
08:27<themill>you will need to at least log out and then log back in again
08:27<[gloom]>ok, I'll be back
08:27<[gloom]>:D
08:28<[gloom]>thx again
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08:34<[gloom]>themill: like a charm:D
08:34<themill>excellent... happy surfing.
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08:34<[gloom]>I was using in my old laptop kwifimanager, but I think I'm going to use Knetworkmanager for now on
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08:34<themill>BTW if you have a kernel update with an ABI bump too, make sure you pull down the kernel headers package so you can recompile that module :)
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08:35<themill>networkmanger also has integration with a lot of vpns which makes it ideal for people who have to deal with wifi and vpns etc.
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08:37<[gloom]>ok
08:37<[gloom]>anyway, i have read that this driver will be in the kernel tree in versions > 2.6.23
08:37<[gloom]>so, maybe with the next kernel, is not neessary to compile it by hand, isn't it?
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08:39<themill>[gloom]: I believe that the debian kernel team has included the iwl module for their 2.6.23 kernels and it has been added to mainline for 2.6.24.
08:39<[gloom]>ok
08:39<[gloom]>but I see it's only for wireless. Can i make it work with my ehternet too?? Cause I use to connect to my vpn with my ehternet card...
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08:40<themill>the vpn will be connected over whatever is the current connection be that wireless or wired.
08:41<themill>If you have dhcp enabled, then you can let networkmanager look after that for you too.
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08:43<[gloom]>mmmmm. Ok, so maybe is a problem of misconfiguration, because it I disable the wireless from the network manager, it says: No network device detected, and the "connect to vpn" appears greyed out, and I'm now conneted with the wired card speaking with you, so i should detect the other device as well
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08:47<[gloom]>and let me connect to vpn's although the wireless is disabled, don't you think?
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08:47<themill>[gloom]: When you disable the wireless, you have the wired ethernet connected then...
08:47<themill>[gloom]: maybe n-m needs to manage the wired iface too so that it knows you're actually connected.
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08:47<[gloom]>aha
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08:47<themill>[gloom]: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian <= explains under what circumstances n-m manages an iface
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08:47<themill>[gloom]: Basically, these days, the only thing I have in /e/n/interfaces is "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
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09:04<colde>gibt es eigenlich einen befehl mit dem man sehen kann mit wieviel Mbit/s daten über eine eth - schnittstelle wandern?
09:04<azeem>!de
09:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
09:05<colde>oh sorry ..
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09:18<[gloom]>which kernel config option corresponds to the module uvcvideo? I'm following this guide to isntall the integrated webcam, and I have all the required modules bu the uvcvideo module.(http://www.pagliuso.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=1 )at the end of the page
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09:25<SpeedyG>hey, on my current desktop I only get 1280x1024@54hz, even tho i've used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to set everything correctly. Weird thing is, when i'm using the 'nv' driver, everything works just fine, when using the 'nvidia' driver, I cant get anything different than this
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09:30<franciele>oi
09:31<franciele>tudo bem
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09:39<sheldonh>any idea why a debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso would probe for cdrom?
09:39<azeem>what do you mean
09:39<azeem>when does it probe for a cdrom, and why shouldn't it?
09:40<sheldonh>azeem: the debian-installer says it can't find a cdrom, and offers to load a driver from a floppy. if you decline the offer, you get a nasty error window that says you're stuffed
09:41<azeem>right
09:41<sheldonh>azeem: and it doesn't have any ethernet drivers in the initrd
09:41<azeem>if you want to install from cdrom, it makes sense to probe for a cdrom, no?
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09:42<sheldonh>azeem: but this is a netinst image
09:42<SpeedyG>hey, on my current desktop I only get 1280x1024@54hz, even tho i've used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to set everything correctly. Weird thing is, when i'm using the 'nv' driver, everything works just fine, when using the 'nvidia' driver, I cant get anything different than this
09:42<sheldonh>azeem: it looks like it's incorrectly mastered
09:42<SpeedyG>how can I get this back to the 75hz it used to be?
09:42<azeem>sheldonh: so? It still installs the base packages from the CD
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09:42<sheldonh>azeem: ahhh
09:42<sheldonh>doh
09:42<azeem>sheldonh: it could be that it is wrongly mastered, no idea
09:42<sheldonh>this has turned into much less fun than i anticipated :)
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09:43<azeem>sheldonh: what kind of chipset do you have?
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09:43<azeem>sheldonh: did you try switching to the logging console (alt+f4 I think) to see whether there's a more detailed error?
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09:44<azeem>sheldonh: anyway, nobody claims the testing ISOs are working right now, I think
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09:44<sheldonh>azeem: horrible nasty intel desktop motherboards that require 2.6.22 for sata_piix and the latest e1000 driver (version 7.6.12)
09:44<azeem>there you go
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09:44<azeem>the testing ISO kernel probably doesn't support the sata_piix
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09:45<fueL\\>silly question, just got a new dell server... intel proc's, 8gb of ram... so I think i need to run 64 bit version but, not sure which to download. Can someone steer me?
09:45<azeem>fueL\\: amd64
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09:45<fueL\\>even though it's xeon chips?
09:45<azeem>even though
09:46<fueL\\>k kool, i'll give it a shot
09:46<muep_>fueL\\: it's just the name of the architecture, it's work fine on intel CPUs
09:46<muep_>*it'll work
09:46<fueL\\>that what i assumed, but the ia64 threw me off :).... thanks guys
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09:49<sheldonh>azeem: now that you've pointed out the flaw in my thinking re netboot cds, i wonder where the hell the guy who set this pxe-based installer system up, got the initrd and kernel from!
09:49<azeem>hd-media
09:49<azeem>or businesscard cd
09:50<azeem>sheldonh: apparently the CD is able to boot into the installer
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09:50<azeem>there's some legacy emulation in the BIOS or so; you just can't use the CD after bootup
09:51<sheldonh>azeem: that's fine, i don't want anything to do with cds (pxe-based install)
09:51<sheldonh>azeem: what's hd-media?
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09:52<azeem>sheldonh: did you even try to google before you asked?
09:52<sheldonh>azeem: about hd-media? no
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09:52<azeem>it's explained in the installation manual I tink
09:52<azeem>think*
09:53<sheldonh>azeem: looks like it's for installing from a on iso on a usb memory stick
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09:55<K4k-laptop>what is the codec for mp3s called again?
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09:56<sheldonh>i give up. the long way around will be the fastest (use make-kpkg to build 2.6.22 packages that include the latest e1000 driver, then use update-initramfs to build an initrd with just the modules we need for this lame-ass hardware)
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09:56<sheldonh>i wish the south african market would wake up and recognise amd as a leading vendor :(
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09:58<lucas_amorim>Hello, I wonder if any other lenny user is having the same problem that I am when trying to see the properties of a file on nautilus. It just crashes and restarts nautilus. It started happening after an update some months ago.
09:58<lucas_amorim>it seems it is a registered bug already. Any workarounds?
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09:59<sheldonh>azeem: thanks for taking the time. been a _very_ frustrating day :)
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10:02<muep_>lucas_amorim: I have the same problem happening on some files
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10:02<muep_>lucas_amorim: viewing properties of png files crashes nautilus
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10:03<lucas_amorim>muep_: viewing the properties of any kind of file crashes nautilus here :(
10:04<lucas_amorim>I wish they fix this as soon as possible
10:04<lucas_amorim>Nautilus was perfect before
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10:04<lucas_amorim>Can I force the use of the previews version?
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10:10<muep_>lucas_amorim: yes, I think
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10:13<lucas_amorim>would it be ok to the system, or would it brake dependencies and these kind of stuff?
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10:24<WildOS>Is it possible to get the name of the makefile from within the makefile?
10:25<K4k-laptop>is there a package like in ubuntu where you can get all the non-free media decoders?
10:26<simonrvn>!debian-multimedia
10:26<dpkg>hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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10:33<pablo>hola? hello?
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10:34<pablo>alguien tiene problemas con los repositorios? anybody has problems with repositoires?
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10:36<pablo>que animado está este canal coño xD
10:37<stew>!es
10:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:41<lucas_amorim>how do i install a previews version of nautilus?
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10:45<george>build its package using current compiler and libs, then install that.
10:46<lucas_amorim>george: sure! :)
10:46<lucas_amorim>I have do remove the atctual version first of all right?
10:46<george>no
10:46<lucas_amorim>ko
10:47<lucas_amorim>ok
10:47<george>well maybe; downgrades are NOT supported (therefore, this is not guaranteed to work)
10:47<lucas_amorim>what about debian update? will it try to update the package?
10:47<george>that
10:47<george>is all the info I have
10:47<cahoot>put it on hold?
10:48<lucas_amorim>cahoot: what do u mean?
10:48<lucas_amorim>george: thanks
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10:48<cahoot>lucas_amorim: man aptitude - see hold
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10:49<lucas_amorim>cahoot: thanks
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11:03<penma>meh.. mysteriously, after upgrading to testing, the pc speaker stopped working on all my machines
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11:04<cahoot>pcpskr not loaded?
11:04<cahoot>pcspkr
11:04<penma>there are some discussions out there of people that are annoyed by the bell, probably one disabled it
11:04<potato>Hello, how do I get Lenny to boot into the window manager and not into the command line?
11:05<cahoot>!dm
11:05<frank>install a display manager
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11:05<dpkg>DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM.
11:05<penma>cahoot: it's loaded, lsmod tells me
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11:05<sheldonh>long live make-kpkg
11:05<potato>I think xdm is installed...It starts fine when I type startx
11:06<m0RrE>hmh, i'm getting pretty annoyed with my pci adsl modem.. can't get it to work.. codexant chip..
11:06<penma>being attacked by boredom i greped the whole /etc for the word "pcspkr", none found that could tell me it's disabled somewhere
11:06<cahoot>penma: setterm -b off set by default?
11:06<penma>cahoot, heh
11:07<m0RrE> download is already done, Status=ffffffff
11:07<m0RrE> bad ioctl=400c2505 (TIG_START_DSL), Status=ffffffff
11:07<potato>I was looking for an automated way of starting X
11:07<m0RrE>:o
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11:07<penma>1) -b off gives setterm's help message 2) settinrg the beep using bfreq and blength doesn't fix it
11:07<cahoot>potato: that's xdm/gdm/kdm for you
11:07<potato>cahoot: So those may still be missing if I can start X manually?
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11:08<penma>potato, i wonder that xdm starts when you type startx :D
11:08<penma>potato, try adding links in /etc/rcx.d
11:08<potato>links to startx?
11:08<penma>or, change your default runlevel to something that starts xdm
11:08<potato>penma: Tried all runlevels, apparently none starts X
11:08<penma>potato, heh, there's an init script /etc/init.d/xdm, startup links to it should be created
11:09<cahoot>penma: sorry I mixed syntax for setterm and xset
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11:09<penma>cahoot, it does not work both on console and on X (last one only being tested on other machine)
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11:09<potato>penma: OK I'll look into that then
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11:10<potato>BBL
11:10<cahoot>potato: you want man update-rc.d
11:10<potato>OK
11:10<penma>potato, try update-rc.d xdm defaults
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11:13<penma>mh.. my problem in more offensive words: i'm pissed of people disabling stuff for everyone cause it annoys them, without leaving a notice behind how to reenable
11:13<mildner>how can I configure the microfon on my debian lenny system
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11:13<penma>mildner, define "configure" :)
11:13<cahoot>alsamixer i the first try
11:14<mildner>microfone doesnt work at all :)
11:14<penma>plugged in?
11:14<mildner>yes
11:14[~]penma hides
11:14<penma>what do you use to test it?
11:15<mildner>druiden of Ekiga
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11:22<penma>oh, and does anybody know why i can't let aptitude install something in background? once it starts unpacking and so, i get [2] + suspended (tty input) sudo aptitude install foo
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11:25<Supaplex>penma: screen might be what you're after.
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11:26<jclinton>penma: because you are sending the Ctrl-Z to a child of aptitude, not aptitude itself
11:26<penma>Supaplex, i don't see the reason in working around a bug
11:26<penma>jclinton, if i start it in background..
11:26<Supaplex>it's by design
11:26<jclinton>penma: aptitude, like almost all of *nix, is just a tool invoking other tools
11:27<jclinton>penma: it's not a bug
11:27<penma>eh, and can't these run in background
11:27<Supaplex>if you think it's a bug, patches are welcome
11:27<Supaplex>not that they'll be accepted :)
11:27<penma>heh, my shell tells me it stopped cause it's requesting input
11:27<penma>but it isn't, actually
11:28<Supaplex>so your shell is lying, and you think that's a bug to?
11:28<jclinton>penma: you dont understand the message you are getting
11:28<penma>no
11:28<penma>jclinton, ok then explain
11:28[~]penma sees a nonsense discussion coming up
11:28<jclinton>penma: aptitude uses popen to spawn the child processes responsible
11:29<jclinton>penma: you are suspending the child so aptitude enters a state of having no one to send back stdin from
11:29<jclinton>you are breaking the pipe
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11:29<penma>jclinton, i don't suspend the child. you don't read.
11:29<penma>i appended & when running aptitude
11:29<penma>i did not suspend it, it seems to suspend itself or so
11:30<penma>i mean, i did not press ^Z
11:30<penma>or send sigstop
11:31<jclinton>penma: then the issue is related to the unavailability of exclusive tty control
11:31<jclinton>penma: i imagine that it's related to ncurses in some way
11:31<jclinton>penma: are you running aptitude in interactive mode this way or invoking some kind of command?
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11:31<penma>jclinton, aptitude install foo
11:31<jclinton>penma: are you using the -y command
11:31<jclinton>?
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11:32<penma>i get the same behaviour running "zsh -c 'sleep 1; read' &", which shows the "suspended (tty input)" message after one second
11:32<sheldonh>jclinton: aptitude does this even when it isn't prompting the user for input
11:32<jclinton>sheldonh: does what?
11:32<sheldonh>jclinton: it's just not designed to run in the background :)
11:32<potato>hello again. I've managed to boot into X but I also want my window manager to start automatically. What do I do about that?
11:33<jclinton>sheldonh: what is the issue?
11:33<sheldonh>jclinton: what he's talking about. starts out nicely, but stops when at dpkg time
11:33<penma>it looks to me like dpkg (or other tool) wants exclusive tty without a reason (can't it get that when needed?)
11:33<sheldonh>jclinton: it's not an issue, just a limitation. you can't "aptitude install foo &"
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11:33<penma>i mean, i can download packages in bacgkground without having it suspended all the time
11:34<penma>sheldonh: you got it
11:34<sheldonh>penma: my advice is to recognize the limitation and adjust your behaviour accordingly :)
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11:34<penma>hmm
11:34<penma>i guess what you want to hear is "ok, accepted"
11:35<jclinton>sheldonh: i'm looking for more than "it just doesn't work." if you know about this, then do you know _why_ it doesn't work?
11:35<cahoot>run it in screen?
11:35<[gloom]>I have a custom compiled kernel, with alsa as module. To update to the last alsa release, i can download the source code of the last alsa, and compilo. From here how I change the module and update dependencies. Is enough with changin the *.ko file, and run depmod -a?
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11:36<jclinton>[gloom]: yes it is enough
11:36<sheldonh>jclinton: no idea. i've never needed to background aptitude
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11:36<[gloom]>and to rollback to the previous one, changing it again and running delmod -a again will do the work?
11:36<jclinton>because it seems to me that with the "-y" parameter it should just simply work
11:36<jclinton>and indeed it does for me
11:36<jclinton>so i'm a little surprised you think this is a problem
11:36<jclinton>just wondering why you think this...
11:37<sheldonh>jclinton: fascinating. so this results in ipcalc being installed for you? aptitude install -y ipcalc &
11:38<sheldonh>jclinton: i get what appears to be a hung process. when i press enter, i get: [1]+ Stopped aptitude install -y ipcalc
11:38<sheldonh>jclinton: and a shell prompt, obviously :)
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11:41<jclinton>sheldonh: that one does not but it appears that it's because my dpkg-reconfigure front end is blocking on that package's preinstall configuration
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11:41<jclinton>sheldonh: looking for the dpkg FE override now
11:41<jclinton>i know it's there somewhere...
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11:42<sheldonh>jclinton: interesting. i didn't realize it needed any postinst configuration. when you run it without the &, it installs without prompting for anything silly (it's a tiny little utility)
11:42<penma>uhm
11:42<jclinton>sheldonh: pre, not post
11:42<penma>and there's still the mysteriously broken beep
11:42<Supaplex>try < /dev/null
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11:43<sheldonh>jclinton: same difference in terms of what it needs to do, i reckon
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11:44<sheldonh>penma: see supaplex's suggestion
11:44<[gloom]>is there any app to make videoconferencing from linux, to a msn messenger?
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11:44<jclinton>sheldonh: no, in a pre-config, debconf can provide an interactive prompt; that's not allowed in post-install
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11:45<jclinton>hence the desire for access to stdin
11:45<penma>sheldonh, nothing concerning the beep..
11:45<sheldonh>penma: what?
11:45<penma>sheldonh, (s)he did not say onything about the beep
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11:46<jclinton>penma: what does a beep have to do with anything?
11:46<sheldonh>penma: i must have missed the beep part of the conversation
11:46<penma>heh.
11:46[~]Supaplex sneezes
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11:47<penma>sheldonh: all my machines i upgraded to testing don't beep anymore
11:47<jclinton>[gloom]: no, msn messager's video hasn't been reverse engineered as far as i know
11:47<penma>pcspkr is loaded.
11:47<[gloom]>aha
11:47<[gloom]>ok
11:47<penma>notice any_more_
11:47<[gloom]>thanks
11:47<jclinton>[gloom]: yahoo's has, i think
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11:47<jclinton>[gloom]: i think kopete is the only prog that can do it though
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11:48<[gloom]>ok
11:48<jclinton>[gloom]: gnomemeeting is compatible with MS Netmeeting
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11:48<jclinton>[gloom]: Netmeeting was renamed to something else in XP and hidden from the main menus but it's still there
11:48<[gloom]>ans the skype for linux does not have video support, doesn't it?
11:48<jclinton>i don't know; i hate skype
11:48<[gloom]>heheh
11:48<[gloom]>ok
11:49[~]penma feels sick
11:49<Supaplex>!comfort penma
11:49<dpkg>There, there, penma. It's OK. I'm here for you.
11:50<penma>dpkg, go away, you grab my terminal for nothing
11:50[~]dpkg (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go away, you grab my terminal for nothing, go away, you grab my terminal for nothing, just damn go. Home.
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11:50<stew>wow
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11:51<jclinton>you have invoked the rather of dpkg
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11:51<penma>heh
11:51<jclinton>what hath you wrought?
11:51<Supaplex>rather? er did you mean wrath?
11:52<jclinton>yes wrath, too
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11:54<Supaplex>heh, from an ebay seller: I don't understand why a computer don't have windows. if you want a refund I will send it to you. thanks.
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11:56<mychellt>ei galera to com um problema aqui
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11:57<dodosoft>hi all
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11:59<dodosoft>I have a problem with the netinst installation
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12:00<dodosoft>i have a static DNS and I don't know how to configure the network before the netinst starts
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12:00<dodosoft>please help me
12:00<jclinton>dodosoft: when you "cancel" out of any menu, you will be brought to a menu containing all the install steps
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12:01<jclinton>dodosoft: one of the steps is to configure networking
12:01<dodosoft>oh thanks
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12:01<dodosoft>ill try, thankyou!
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12:02<Supaplex>http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/120407-microsoft-santa-bot.html
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12:05<Knoni3>Hi
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12:05<Insa|doublex>heyho. i'm running debian 4.0r1 and everytime i press ctrl-alt-f1 my graphics get fucked up. strg-alt-f7 and everything is normal... the graphics card is an kyro2
12:06<penma>fucked up means?..
12:06<Insa|doublex>well, i can't see anything
12:06<penma>nothing?
12:06<Insa|doublex>i get weird patterns of strange coloured pixels
12:06<hassani>hallo
12:07<penma>hmm
12:07<Insa|doublex>maybe it's a drivers problem
12:07<hassani>wo bin ich den gelandet?
12:07<Supaplex>!de
12:07<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
12:07<Insa|doublex>but at startup the 80*25 console is displayed properly
12:07<penma>BAH, fleanode @_@
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12:08<Insa|doublex>only when kdm starts up the console behaves strange
12:08<Supaplex>Insa|doublex: if you start in text mode, then run startx, same issue as well?
12:09<Insa|doublex>Supaplex jep
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12:10<Knoni3>I've problem with the wake on lan feature. Driver is 3c59x and I have to "rmmod 3c59x && modprobe 3c59x enable_wol=1" then I can halt and wake my Pc on. Where can I take this code, that I don't have to post it each time? Debian 4.0
12:10<Insa|doublex>it's a tft screen
12:10<Insa|doublex>so maybe it fucks up with the hertz settings...
12:12<Supaplex>!tell Knoni3 about modconf
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12:12<Knoni3>thx
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12:16<jclinton>Insa|doublex: there is a remote possibility that switching your linux console to framebuffer mode will fix the problem
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12:16<jclinton>Insa|doublex: try booting with vga=791 as a parameter to the kernel
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12:17<jclinton>Insa|doublex: it's hard to say if it will work or not
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12:17<jclinton>Insa|doublex: kyra is such an obscure card
12:17<Insa|doublex>can i save that parameter? or do i have to type it everytiem i boot the system?
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12:17<jclinton>Insa|doublex: you can save it in /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:17<Insa|doublex>jclinton indeed. but it works. unlike the fire gl 2 that was in this pc before...
12:17<jclinton>Insa|doublex: read the comments in that file and put the option on the # kopts = line
12:18<jclinton>Insa|doublex: then run "update-grub" as root
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12:19<Insa|doublex>## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
12:19<Insa|doublex>## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
12:19<Insa|doublex>## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
12:19<Insa|doublex>that one?
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12:22<jclinton>that's the double # line
12:22<jclinton>put it on the single # line
12:22<Insa|doublex>but which one?
12:22<Insa|doublex>ah
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12:22<Knoni3>@supaplex thanks
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12:22<Insa|doublex># kopt=root=/dev/mapper/doublex-root ro
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12:22<Knoni3>now it works,
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12:23<Insa|doublex>that line? just add " vga=791" at the end?
12:25<Supaplex>Insa|doublex: yup
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12:26<Insa|doublex>reboot for changes to take eefekt?
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12:27<Supaplex>did you run update-grub ?
12:27<Insa|doublex>jep
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12:28<Supaplex>should be good to go
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12:28<Insa|doublex>okay, reboot
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12:29<K4k-laptop>is there something like the ubuntu non-free codecs (like mp3, wmp files) for debian?
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12:30<K4k-laptop>er...wmv not wmp
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12:32<Insa|doublex>rock'n'roll (:
12:32<Insa|doublex>it worked
12:32<Insa|doublex>thanks for that
12:32<Insa|doublex>but now i try to run wuala (www.wua.la) on the machine, but it just keeps saying: command not found...
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12:34<Supaplex>Insa|doublex: when's the last time wuala worked? Did you ... install it?
12:34<Insa|doublex>well, it never worked
12:34<Insa|doublex>i did everything like they say on the homepage
12:35<Supaplex>!tell K4k-laptop -about debian-multimedia
12:35<K4k-laptop>thank you, I did that a minute ago, didn't think about dpkg again, still getting used to him
12:35<dpkg>K4k-laptop: no problem
12:35<Supaplex>K4k-laptop: that's atleast 50% closer to your goal. I'm not sure what else is there.
12:36<Insa|doublex>To run it, click on the download button, untar the file (tar -xzf wuala.tar.gz) to ~/wuala/ and run 'wuala &'. Please also consider the enclosed readme.txt.
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12:36<Insa|doublex>but "wuala &" keeps saying: command not found
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12:36<ce_16_basket>serverpunch.dal.net 7009
12:36<Supaplex>well it apparently needs something installed that isn't
12:36[~]Supaplex throws a few /'s at ce_16_basket
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12:37<Insa|doublex>Supaplex but how do i find out what it needs?
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12:38<Supaplex>look at the script. paste it to http://rafb.net/paste
12:39<K4k-laptop>Supaplex, thanks for that, I just got the w32codecs package, hopefully that does everything I need
12:39<TO0L>how can I reactiv my soundserver whene it goes down?
12:39<Supaplex>K4k-laptop: cool beans. good luck :)
12:40<K4k-laptop>anyone got an idea why my network interfaces are un-recognized when I come out of suspend?
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12:42<cahoot>TO0L: soundserver as in esd or arts?
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12:46<TO0L>cahoot, noidea but i just fixe the probleme with "alsactl restore"
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12:54<ephilips>Is there a tool like gparted or qtparted that has LVM support?
12:58<jclinton>LVM is a very different problem space than partition management
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12:59<Supaplex>as is filesystem resizing, but we want all the above in a handy tool, now don't we?
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13:00<ephilips>yes, we would like that, if we can have it.
13:00<jeward>Hey, I just upgraded a system to etch and didn't specify that it start all the software RAID partitions at boot. It's starting md0 (/), but not md1 (/boot). How/where do I tell it to start both?
13:00<jeward>It's currently booted from a rescue CD.
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13:03<jclinton>jeward: dmraid is supposed to "just work" with regard to that
13:03<jclinton>jeward: did the device node show up in /dev ?
13:03<jeward>mount: Mounting /dev/md1 on /root/ failed: no such device
13:04<jeward>I guess not?
13:04<jclinton>jeward: what's in /dev/mapper?
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13:04<jeward>I don't have physical access to the box, but am working through a data-center tech.
13:04<jeward>Trying to get him to call me at the moment/.
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13:05<jeward>I think that if I'd specified "all" instead of the default "/dev/md0" during the etch upgrade, this may not have happened?
13:05<jclinton>specified "all" where?
13:05<jeward>The question where it asks you what RAID devices you need to have at boot time. You know that question?
13:05<jclinton>ah yes
13:06<jclinton>that's part of mdadm post-inst
13:06<jeward>I'm wondering where that is set and if we can correct it from the rescue CD?
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13:06<jclinton>yes you can
13:06<jeward>Awesome!
13:06<jeward>:)
13:06<jeward>Where?
13:06<jclinton>jeward: you would do dpkg-reconfigure mdadm to get that question again
13:06<jclinton>jeward: do you know how to chroot?
13:06<jeward>Okay, I'll tell the tech to do that. I do.
13:07<jeward>so he should chroot to the md0 partition and then run dpkg-reconfigure mdadm?
13:07<jclinton>jeward: so, you'll do the reconfigure and then afterwards, you need to do update-initramfs
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13:07<jclinton>that will regenerate the initrd and the list of devices in it that need to be activated before starting the normal init sequence
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13:09<jclinton>specifically: update-initramfs -k all -u
13:10<jeward>Thnks a lot! I've sent this info to the tech. I hope he understands... :)
13:13<jeward>I wish he would just call me... e-mail iss proving somewhat slugish in getting this important server back online. :(
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13:15<[gloom]>Hi. I got some special multimedia keys mapped with xbindkeys, but got other ones, that don't produce any xev event to see the keycode. How can I know the keycode to assging them any function?
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13:16<klando>I have a disk wich have logical errors, so when I plug it, after some seconds the device is rejected
13:16<klando>how can I disable tests so I can 'dd' the device ?
13:17<jclinton>[gloom]: check dmesg for a message from akbd that the keycode is unknown
13:17<K4k-laptop>Anyone got an idea as to why my networking interfaces don't show up in the nm-applet when I come out of suspend?
13:18<K4k-laptop>particularly my wireless card
13:18<[gloom]>ok
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13:19<cahoot>K4k-laptop: no better idea than check the hibernate log
13:19<Netbios>anyone speak arabic here?
13:19<[gloom]>jclinton: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x92 on isa0060/serio0).Use 'setkeycodes e012 <keycode>' to make it known.
13:20<K4k-laptop>cahoot: thanks, this seems to be a common problem with networkmanager
13:20<[gloom]>jclinton: now, how i proceed?
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13:21<K4k-laptop>yay, found a fix I think
13:21<K4k-laptop>sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/22dhcdbd restart
13:21<K4k-laptop>I'll try that and see if it works
13:21<odla>!arabic
13:21<dpkg>hmm... arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/
13:21<jclinton>[gloom]: on etch or unstable?
13:21<[gloom]>unstable
13:22<jclinton>[gloom]: have you installed console-setup or are you still on the older way?
13:22<[gloom]>I haven't installed console setup
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13:23<jclinton>[gloom]: ok hold on a second
13:23<Netbios>!thelove
13:23<Netbios>!english
13:23<dpkg>i heard english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!!
13:24<Netbios>loooooooooooooooooool
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13:28<[gloom]>jclinton: ok, i got a problem bigger that this:D One of my xbindkeys mapped for a multimedia key (the play key) is b:4, mapped as dcop amarok play, i.e, the 4 button of the synaptics device, i.e, the same as my mouse weel, so every time I use my mouse wheen, i stop amarok:D hehehe I would need to change it either as b:8 for example, or change the whell button numbers on the mouse. Is it possible?
13:29<Netbios>!kuwait
13:29<Netbios>!help
13:29<jclinton>[gloom]: i'm not sure; i think you will need to do the same thing you are going to do for the keys that are unkown
13:29<jclinton>[gloom]: i'm looking for the config file now; i saw it two days ago... trying to remember where
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13:30<[gloom]>jclinton: yes, but the unknow keys produce message in dmesg, but the b:4 hey as the mouse wheel don't have any output. And xev, says both keys (mouse wheel and play) have special keycode Button4
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13:31<K4k-laptop>ok sleep problem is fixed now.
13:31<K4k-laptop>Ok, so I have my graphics drivers installed and working, however, when I run fglrxinfo it still says I'm using Mesa instead of FGLRX ATI etc.etc. etc...what's going on, anyone know?
13:34<Netbios>can i speak arabic
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13:38<klando>http://paste.debian.net/44353 <-- what can I do to keep the device up ? (the /dev/sdc* )
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13:40<jclinton>klando: looks like a bad device; does it work anywhere else?
13:40<klando>no
13:40<klando>iI know it is bkroken
13:41<klando>but it seems only on one partition
13:41<jclinton>klando: the partition message appears to be the result of hal trying to automount it for you
13:41<klando>there is *very important data* , and surte, it wasn't backuped ;...
13:41<klando>I have hal stop before
13:41<EmleyMoor>When I plugged in my new mobile phone, I got an abnormal modprobe exit with a lot of output pertaining to a kernel bug... how do I move on with this?
13:41<klando>does hal auto-restart ?
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13:42<jclinton>klando: if you're in a GUI session, probably
13:42<klando>hum
13:42<jclinton>EmleyMoor: move on with what?
13:42<klando>using xfce
13:42<jclinton>EmleyMoor: what kinda cell?
13:42<klando>go out
13:42<EmleyMoor>jclinton: Getting whatever the problem is resolved.
13:42<EmleyMoor>Nokia N95
13:42<jclinton>EmleyMoor: your phone is in PC-suite mdoe
13:43<jclinton>EmleyMoor: mode*
13:43<[gloom]>jclinton: did you find the config file?
13:43<jclinton>EmleyMoor: put it in USB mass storage mode
13:43<jclinton>[gloom]: no still looking
13:43<[gloom]>ahh, ok, sorry
13:43<EmleyMoor>jclinton: Will that allow me to use it as a modem?
13:43<[gloom]>I'll be back in 10 minutes or so
13:44<jclinton>EmleyMoor: no, you need pc-suite mode for that
13:44<EmleyMoor>jclinton: Back to square one
13:44<jclinton>EmleyMoor: what kernel version?
13:45<EmleyMoor>2.6.18-5-686
13:45<jclinton>EmleyMoor: i have found that my E61, which has a menu, causes USB to think things are broken while the menu waits for your input
13:46<jclinton>EmleyMoor: the work around is to have the phone automatically enter pc suite mode when you plug the cable in
13:46<EmleyMoor>jclinton: Yes, done that
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13:46<jclinton>hum, the e61 works wonderfully this way
13:46<EmleyMoor>Should I try it again and see whether it works nonetheless
13:46<EmleyMoor>?
13:46<jclinton>i even use it as a modem
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13:46<jclinton>you could...
13:47<jclinton>should be no harm in trying
13:47<jclinton>i would reboot the phone first
13:47<jclinton>the nokia USB stack isn't the greatest
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13:47<jclinton>also, there is a way to get this working over bluetooth
13:47<klando>jclinton: it appear that it is most probably udev than hal :
13:47<klando>nobody 17463 0.0 0.0 2080 672 ? D< 18:46 0:00 /lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-8-39
13:47<jclinton>did you have BT?
13:47<EmleyMoor>jclinton: I have a 'toothless laptop
13:48<jclinton>aight
13:48<jclinton>klando: that kinda makes sense
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13:48<jclinton>klando: you cannot turn of udev safely
13:48<jclinton>off*
13:48<jclinton>klando: udev is probing for geometry info so it can act on its rules.d files
13:48<klando>yep, how can I recreate the /dev/sdc once it have been marked as dead ?
13:49<klando>hummm I can manage my own rule
13:49<jclinton>klando: its actually the usb driver that's marking it as dead
13:49<jclinton>klando: /etc/udev/rules.d
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13:49<klando>jclinton: I try to plug it on IDE and booting using live cd, failed alos
13:49<jclinton>klando: anyway, the point is: it's really, really broken
13:49<klando>also
13:49<klando>jclinton: yess :-(
13:50<margiolas>hello i am trying to compilw 2.6.23.9 with make-kpkg and i recieved this error
13:50<margiolas>The changelog says we are creating ..
13:50<margiolas>However, I thought the version is 2.6.23.9
13:50<margiolas>exit 4
13:50<margiolas>make: *** [sanity_check] Error 4
13:50<jclinton>klando: i don't think you're going to get it back
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13:50<klando>I *do* know that, unfortunely
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13:50<klando>jclinton: I'dlike to get all bit I can
13:50<jclinton>klando: you're probably at the recovery service level of brokeness
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13:50<margiolas>The changelog says we are creating ..
13:50<margiolas>However, I thought the version is 2.6.23.9
13:50<margiolas>exit 4
13:50<margiolas>make: *** [sanity_check] Error 4
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13:50<klando>jclinton: I am just here, yes
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13:51<bernini>EXIT
13:51<bernini>Q
13:51<graytron>QUIT
13:51<bernini>E
13:51<bernini>XD
13:51<cahoot>irssi captives
13:52<bernini>brasileiro
13:52<bernini>you is brazilian?
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13:53<klando>jclinton: I ave udev stop, so device are not created, but syslog show it is plug in, what the f... old way to mknode that ?
13:54<K4k-laptop>bernini: /exit
13:54[~]klando memory overcommit
13:54<jclinton>klando: yes you can do that
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13:55<jclinton>klando: the major and minor numbers you need will be in /sys/block
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13:55<EmleyMoor>How do I find the password for my GPRS/3G access?
13:55<klando>ho yes, great, jclinton you are very helpfull
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13:58<jclinton>EmleyMoor: what service provider?
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13:59<EmleyMoor>T-Mobile
13:59<praveen>hi
13:59<EmleyMoor>Think I've found it now
13:59<jclinton>EmleyMoor: mine is t-mobile too
13:59<praveen>what u find
13:59<jclinton>EmleyMoor: hold a sec
13:59<praveen>i am using UBUNTU 7.10
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14:00<jclinton>EmleyMoor: you need a special init string:
14:00<praveen>hi anibal
14:00<jclinton>AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet2.voicestream.com"
14:00<suiside>praveen: then you want #ubuntu, this is #debian
14:00<anibal>hello
14:00<EmleyMoor>I have something that works anyway but I will follow that advice
14:00<jclinton>EmleyMoor: the phone number is *99#
14:00<jclinton>EmleyMoor: user and pass are t-mobile
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14:01<praveen>logout
14:01<praveen>quit
14:01<jclinton>EmleyMoor: if you don't use the special init string, i think it sends you in to the t-zones service which is limited internet access
14:01<jclinton>EmleyMoor: i've even played network video games over the GPRS service from T-mobile
14:02<jclinton>EmleyMoor: BTW, the 3g service with t-mobile is not active
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14:02<EmleyMoor>jclinton: I am on T-Mobile UK with Web & Walk
14:02<EmleyMoor>3G and 3,5G work here
14:02<jclinton>EmleyMoor: ah, then you have it then
14:02<jclinton>we don't have it in the US, yet
14:02<EmleyMoor>The settings I am using work so far...
14:02<jclinton>EmleyMoor: yea, so you probably dont need the special init string
14:02<klando>jclinton: good, it is on a good way, additionnaly, I *hope* sdc7 is the swap partition :-)
14:03<jclinton>voicestream was the US company before t-mobile bought them
14:03<EmleyMoor>jclinton: I modified the one I used for O2 to have the right access point, user name and password
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14:03<EmleyMoor>... and it's let me onto www.debian.org
14:03<jclinton>cool
14:04<EmleyMoor>I'm even trying to update
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14:04<EmleyMoor>Only 3G here but 3.5G possible in some areas
14:05<EmleyMoor>45.3 kB/s peak
14:06<jclinton>that's what i get on 2.5G here in US
14:06<jclinton>2.5G is called EDGE here in US
14:07<jclinton>i /think/ it's simple two GPRS data signals trunked together
14:07<jclinton>simply*
14:07<jclinton>[gloom]: this has turned out to be way more complicated that i originally though
14:07<EmleyMoor>3.5G is good but not available at home
14:07<jclinton>[gloom]: the old keyboard.sh script was replaced by the console-tools package
14:08<jclinton>[gloom]: which is not replaced by the kbd package
14:08<jclinton>[gloom]: i think the safest bet for you would be to use the utilities in kbd to capture the key scan codes and put them in a line like the following in /etc/rc.local:
14:08<jclinton>setkeycodes e074 144
14:09<jclinton>that sets my key to be the "user 1" key
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14:14<klando>is it possible to reading from the end to start of a disk ... I wonder if it will go quickly or will seek every block to rewind/read/rewind ... any idea ?
14:15<jclinton>in a way, it is possible but it would do the later method you described
14:15<jclinton>data is delivered in forward-ordered blocks
14:15<jclinton>you would just be reading those blocks in reverse
14:16<jclinton>i seem to recall a variant of dd that would accomplish that for you but i dont remember what its called
14:17<cahoot>edd?
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14:23<nettermensch>hello ^^
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14:26<EmleyMoor>That was great until my laptop crashed
14:26<jclinton>EmleyMoor: ;)
14:26[~]EmleyMoor switches wireless on to finish the job
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14:26[~]EmleyMoor is definitely stopping his O2 contract
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14:32<klando>do you guys know other toolsthan dd/ddrescue//dd_rhelp to rescue an undead harddrive ?
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14:33<klando>jclinton, cahoot you were probably talking ddrescue
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14:35<klando>sudo dd_rescue -l 7.log -r /dev/sdc7 sdc7.img
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14:45<[gloom]>jclinton: ok, I will try with the kbd, but anyway, did you read my last line? Cause this issue is a little painful than having some keys disabled:D
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14:47<bazanime>hello
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14:47<bazanime>new ubuntu user here
14:47<m0RrE>does anyone have experience of conexant based adsl pci modems?
14:47<bazanime>finally got it working
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14:48<jeward>jclinton: You still here?
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14:48<jeward>jclinton: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 has been altered. Cannot update.
14:49<C_a_T_o>Hi everybody
14:49<bazanime>hi
14:50<bazanime>is anyone there?
14:50<C_a_T_o>I'm here
14:50<bazanime>oh good
14:51<bazanime>are you an expert with ubuntu?
14:51<weasel>!ubuntu
14:51<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
14:51<jeward>#ubuntu
14:51<C_a_T_o>oooops sorry
14:51<stew>bazanime: please goto #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu
14:51<C_a_T_o>I'm a newby
14:51<stew>jeward: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" shouls build a new initrd for you. note that you should be considering an upgrade to 2.6.18-5 ask it replaces -4 with security fixes
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14:54<jeward>stew: This was booted from a rescue CD.
14:54<jeward>stew: Will it work in that environment?
14:54<jeward>etch rescue mode
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14:55<stew>jeward: have you chrooted to your actual debian install?
14:55<stew>(does rescue mode do that?)
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14:55<jeward>Stew: Yes.
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14:55<stew>jeward: then yes, it should work, ask long as /dev /proc /sys are all populated
14:55<jeward>stew: They were not populated.
14:55<jeward>I chose rescue mode from an etch CD.
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14:56<stew>jeward: you need to bind mount /dev from outside the chroot, you should be able to "mount /proc ; mount /sys" from inside the chroot
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14:56<jeward>stew: Okay, I need to figure out the proper way to boot from the etch CD to do that. By the time I do rescue mode, the chroot has already happened.
14:57<stew>jeward: can you get to another console on another vt?
14:57<jeward>Oh wait, that's because I chose to execute a shelll on the root partition?
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14:57<jeward>Yeah, hold on, rebooting.
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14:58<jeward>Stew: The whole story is: I have two software RAID partitions, one containing /boot. I think I need to have that active at boot time in addition to /.
14:58<jeward>I'm trying to figure out how to enable that after the fact (now that the system won't boot).
14:59<jeward>The partition containing root is available at boot, but not the /boot partition.
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15:02<jeward>I guess I'll come back later.
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15:04<trangius>hi... all of a sudden I get the following error when runnig firefox: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x09452018 ***
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15:04<trangius>and then it lists fontpatterns and such...
15:04<trangius>what can be the problem?
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15:12<[gloom]>So I start to understand: the X system is detecting the multimedia keyboard in my laptop as additional buttons on my mouse.But the problem is that one of the buttons (the "play") is detected as the button 4, as my wheel up. So can I make them 2 separated devices, or change the codes of my mouse wheel?
15:13<[gloom]>mmm, i have an idea. Come back in a sec
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15:19<[gloom]>ok, so now, my mouse wheel is on buttons 10 and 11, but it does not work in the scroll bars, so how can I tell the X that the scroll is on buttons 10 and 11 instead the normal 4 and 5?
15:20<trangius>hm
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15:21<trangius>not sure, maybe in your xorg.conf you can set this option to your mouse: Option "ZAxisMapping" "10 11"
15:22<[gloom]>yes that's what I did, and xev gets the buttons 10 and 11 when i move my mouse wheel, but the scrolls don't work
15:22<[gloom]>it's like X is expecting buttons 4 and 5 to be the scroll, and no others
15:22<[gloom]>in fact, I can make the scroll with mu multimedia keyboard:D
15:23<trangius>:/
15:23<trangius>no idea then, sorry...
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15:25<trangius>and noone else seem to be awake in here, so...
15:25<trangius>I have no idea where to get good support for debian
15:26<Supaplex>lists.debian.org on debian-user
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15:27<trangius>ok, so I have to use a mailinglist? :/
15:27<trangius>can't understand why there is no (active) forum
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15:28<Shironeko>hi
15:28<cahoot>trangius: this is on etch?
15:28<trangius>no, testing
15:29<cahoot>trangius: already checked BTS?
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15:29<trangius>cahoot: no
15:30<trangius>doing it now
15:30<cahoot>trangius: then you have no cause for complaint
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15:31<trangius>I don't really complain, I think
15:31<trangius>and if you think I am, I'm sorry
15:31<cahoot><trangius> I have no idea where to get good support for debian - sounds a bit like whining
15:31<trangius>I just think there should be an quit quick and easy way to get support :)
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15:32<cahoot>trangius: one of the valid reasons for using testing is to report bugs, unless already filed
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15:32<trangius>yeah, that has nothing to do with _my_ particular problem, actually
15:33<trangius>I'm semi-used to gentoo, and it has a really good and easilly accessed community
15:33<Shironeko>hello,
15:33<trangius>switched to debian since gentoo takes 100years to do anything with
15:34<cahoot>I see - you already know what causes your error?
15:34<Shironeko>can anyone tell me the advantadges of Iceweasel?
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15:34<trangius>cahoot: eh?
15:34<Gathond>Shironeko: compared to?
15:34<Shironeko>Firefox
15:34<Shironeko>I know, It's basically the same
15:35<trangius>cahoot: I can't see why you even take up the fact that I hava a problem with firefox
15:35<Gathond>you can modify and redistribute it
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15:43<Shironeko>I'm comming from Gutsy, so stability is not what I'm used too. But that's just what I want
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15:43<dli>how do I forbidden a package from being installed by apt?
15:43<screenn>I try upgrade my debian amd64 etch mirror, and receive the answer "failed 404 Not Found" for some files
15:43<Shironeko>That's something I really hate from Ubuntu. Every six months an upgrade. What's important to them is the time not the quality
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15:43<Shironeko>then you find yourself with lot's of bugs and problems...
15:43<cahoot>trangius: if you want you critisism taken seriously you might want to a avoid sweeping judgmentsit is impossible to find any good documentation (for debian) like:
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15:44<cahoot>trangius: if you want you critisism taken seriously you might want to a avoid sweeping judgments like: it is impossible to find any good documentation (for debian) - sorry for the mangling
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15:44<trangius>sweeping judgement?
15:44<trangius>I think this is a sweeping problem ;)
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15:44<screenn>why many files for etch amd64 not found on debian mirror server?
15:44|-|Kanal #debian zsynchronizowany w 240 sekundy
15:45<trangius>there are few things I've needet to know that is in the documentation
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15:45<Supaplex>screenn: maybe the mirror is out of sync.
15:46<screenn>As a result I receive the message: failed: 404 Not FoundFailed to download files (51 errors)!
15:46<Supaplex>screenn: try a new mirror?
15:46<screenn>Supaplex not all files, just some
15:46<screenn>I use official mirror
15:47<fresh_oyster>screenn : did you do an update before?
15:47<fresh_oyster>like aptitude update?
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15:49<cahoot>trangius: and IMO forums tend to get difficult to read/search in a structured way - the real info gets diluted and hard to pick out in the stream of comments
15:49<screenn>Supaplex I tried to use, it does not help
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15:49<Supaplex>screenn: let's see your sources.list on http://rafb.net/paste
15:49<trangius>cahoot: yeah, might be true...
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15:50<screenn>Supaplex only 51 files, maybe they been excluded from the list on a server?
15:50<trangius>cahoot: I think wikis are good... there should be more active ppl working on the debian wiki
15:51<screenn>Supaplex ok
15:51<trangius>cahoot: and I have nothing to say about the mailinglist since I haven't joined it... but to join it, I'll have to get another mailaddress and blablah youknow
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15:52<|nuno|>greetings all
15:52<trangius>cahoot: and the mailinglist is not easy to search either, or?
15:52<cahoot>trangius: it's accessible via any browser
15:52<trangius>oh
15:52<Supaplex>trangius: google indexes it just fine
15:52<cahoot>http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
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15:54<screenn>http://rafb.net/p/wXImbT83.html
15:54<|nuno|>i wonder if anyone could help with the following.. i have a server that has connected 2 storages to it (SAN). My problem is that when i change something in one of the storages it might (uppon reboot) change the device order
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15:54<|nuno|>is it possible to make UDev lock the luns it gets to a device?
15:54<trangius>clever :)
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15:54<cahoot>nuno use /dev/disk/by-uuid?
15:55<Supaplex>screenn: that's not /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:55<|nuno|>cahoot: i already thought about it.. but i need to know if there is an automatic way of doing thos
15:55<|nuno|>this*
15:55<|nuno|>for example in Solaris i dont have to worrie about it cos the lun is locked in /etc/system (device tree)
15:56<Supaplex>screenn: are you trying to run your own mirror?
15:56<|nuno|>and if i add a new lun or delete or whatever.. the device that already exists doesnt change
15:57<screenn>Supaplex I know, it's not sources.list, I use my local mirror for sources.list
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15:58<Supaplex>screenn: in that case, I don't know.
15:58<fresh_oyster>screenn : did aptitude update?
15:58<screenn>Supaplex what you think about my problem? why files is Not Found?
15:58<trangius>hmm, screen: I thik I had that problem once too
15:58<trangius>the 404 problem
15:58<Scurz>hello
15:58<trangius>I just changed mirror and did a apt-get update
15:59<|nuno|>cahoot: any idea?
15:59<trangius>I run x86
16:01<screenn>fresh_oyster I just want upgrade my local mirror, not install packages now
16:01<Supaplex>screenn: do you need those specific files? Are there alternate or newer versions available?
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16:03<screenn>Supaplex I do not require them. For me are necessary full Etch amd64 dvd's
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16:04<iwkse__>hi all, i would like to know if lenny includes vlc packages..a friend of mine can't install it cause he's saying he doesn't found it
16:04<Scurz>I don't understand, apache2 is running, when I try http://localhost, it works, but, when i try from outside apache2 server, I can't reach apache2... any ideas ? I don't think either the iptables firewall, because before a reboot of the server, there was no problemm, see http://pastebin.com/m6995664a
16:05<Supaplex>Scurz: is apache only listening on 127.0.0.1?
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16:06<screenn>Supaplex usually I use debmirror for download and jigdo-lite for building dvd's, but now, I haven't full mirror for jigdo-lite
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16:07<Scurz>Supaplex: http://pastebin.com/m622d4704
16:07<Scurz>Supaplex: apparently, that's not good
16:07<Scurz>no ? :)
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16:09<Supaplex>Scurz: that's fine. any listening ipv6 socket accepts connections for ipv4 to
16:10<Scurz>ok :/
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16:10<Scurz>Supaplex: but, I don't understand why there is a problem :/
16:11<Supaplex>i'm at a loss
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16:13<Scurz>Supaplex: and, maybe, there is another software which uses the port 80, is it possible ?
16:14<Scurz>but I don't think :)
16:14<Supaplex>no
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16:15<screenn>who else uses debmirror and jigdo-lite for building debian dvd's?
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16:15<Supaplex>screenn: I use netinst :)
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16:15<Scurz>ok Supaplex
16:16<Scurz>Supaplex: moreover, there is nothing in the log
16:16<Scurz>that's very very strange :]
16:17<screenn>Supaplex it's good, I too use netinstall, but dvd's for my friend's :)
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16:25<jeward>stew: Still here?
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16:32<jeward>Okay, I upgraded a sarge system to etch and I believe that I answered the prompt wrong on what RAID devices to spin up on boot. I had md0 = /boot and md1 = /. I have the system booted on an etch rescue. I need to now create a chroot environment to undo the upgrade error. I need /proc and /dev mounted on the chroot I think, anything else?
16:32<jeward>If this becomes too difficult, I'll just tar off /etc/and rebuild it.
16:34<jeward>Anybody?
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16:43<usuario>buenas, alguno ha instalado el gforge sobre etch desde los paquetes accesibles en los repositorios oficiales?
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16:44<dkr>!es
16:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:45<dkr>installing gforge is hard, though. the debian packages aren't really plug and play
16:45<dkr>or even plug, configure and play. since there are errors in installation process you have to workaround. :)
16:46<usuario>ohh so sorry, my glasses are too old
16:47<usuario>yeap, I know, but I 'm looking for tips for install
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16:47<usuario>;)
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16:47<JasonS>usuario: then ask in english :)
16:47<usuario>JasonS, my englush is very bad :(
16:47<usuario>english.
16:48<JasonS>then ask in #debian-es
16:48<usuario>JasonS, so, i need to know if anyone have install gforge from debian sources
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16:48<JasonS>usuario: its not aptitude install foo
16:49<dkr>usuario: gforge-db-postgresql fails to complete install because it is using tcp but its dependency postgresql only has unix socket enabled for access by defualt, so changed
16:49<dkr>/etc/postgresql/7.4/main/postgresql.conf
16:49<dkr>tcpip_socket = true
16:49<usuario>Yeap, so, I need to install postgresql first.-
16:50<usuario>first tip.
16:50<dkr>also, create your certificate first and put it in /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem
16:50<klando>dkr: please, don't tell me you stay on 7.4 ?!
16:50<dkr>that will fix: gforge-web-apache fails to complete install due to misnig ssl cert creatnig syntax err in conf
16:51<usuario>dkr, ok, is te second tip, install apache2 later
16:51<dkr>klando: that's version gforge uses apaprently. this is onyl thing I have ever used posgresql for. I do all my stuff with mysql. :)
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16:52<dkr>usuario: no, install apache2 first. and cretae your certificate first, before aptitude install gforge 9which will also install gforge-web-apache because it is a requriement
16:53<usuario>Yeap, i mean... first postgresql later apache2
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16:53<usuario>and, gforge-db-postgresql use 7.4 and 8
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16:55<bosco>hello my name is bosco and i have a question
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16:55<bosco>i have an .inf file for my wireless card
16:55<bosco>that i used the windows driver
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16:56<bosco>when i set it up in ndisgtk it does not work
16:56<bosco>when i type
16:56<bosco>sudo iwconfig
16:56<usuario>bosco, do you have the module ndiswrapper installed¿
16:56<bosco>all that i get is
16:56<bosco>yes
16:56<bosco>eth1 witch is ethernet
16:56<bosco>and lo
16:56<bosco>which is me
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16:56<bosco>no wlan0 eth1 nothing
16:57<bosco>eth0 is ethernet srry
16:57<bosco>not eth1
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16:57<bosco>what am i doing wrong
16:57<bosco>lol
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16:58<bosco>so what can i do about this problem?
16:59<Supaplex>bosco: is the device pci, or usb?
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16:59<bosco>pci internal
16:59<bosco>g/b wireless
16:59<Supaplex>bosco: run lspci -nn and show us the *one* line that is the device in question
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17:01<bosco>05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01
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17:01<Supaplex>!pciid Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01
17:01<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 168c:001c | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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17:01<Supaplex>oh that's Atheros. it might be madwifi
17:01<Supaplex>!tell bosco -about madwifi
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17:02<Supaplex>if it's not, then ndiswrapper is the last resort. (one that I dare not tangle with unless desperate)
17:03<bosco>Supaplex, i will be able to set it up though
17:03<Supaplex>was that question?
17:04<bosco>yes
17:04<Supaplex>please rephrase it
17:04<bosco>so i just installed via synaptic madwifi-tools
17:04<bosco>i will be able to get my wireless card working right
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17:06<bosco>bosco@bosco:~$ sudo iwconfig
17:06<bosco>[sudo] password for bosco:
17:06<bosco>lo no wireless extensions.
17:06<bosco>eth0 no wireless extensions.
17:06|-|bosco kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
17:06<Supaplex>most likely. Atheros bought some other chipsets like broadcom (I think) and rebranded them their own.
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17:06<bosco>back
17:06<Supaplex>bosco, most likely. Atheros bought some other chipsets like broadcom (I think) and rebranded them their own.
17:06<tas_>Hello, were can get help, to work with a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1110 PCI??
17:07<tas_>where?
17:07<bosco>Supaplex, on the ubuntu forums there are people that have said that they set it up the way i am doing it with the same laptop
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17:07<bosco>if so how do i find that out
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17:09<Supaplex>bosco: if you have to resort to ndiswrapper, then do so, but only as a last resort. I no longer own a system with pcmcia, so I've lost all association with how it works.
17:09<Supaplex>I still own an atheros card though
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17:10<bosco>ok so you have no way of telling what kind of chipset is on my atheros card
17:10<bosco>lol
17:11<Supaplex>there's a 90% or better chance it's supported by <madwifi>
17:11<tas_>Howto: Install HVR-1110 (Hauppauge WinTV) Hybrid Card Tv/DVB-T on debian Etch x86 (2.6.18-5-k7)?????
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17:12<Supaplex>the other 10% would be because Atheros rebranded some broadcom chipsets that are very different than the driver supports (different driver)
17:13<gsimmons>Supaplex: IIRC, the other chipsets involved are ones from ZyDAS (Atheros Communications purchased this company).
17:13<gsimmons>bosco: You have only installed the 'madwifi-tools' package? If you're using the madwifi drivers (for Atheros-based cards, which you appear to have), you'll need to do more than that.
17:13<gsimmons>!tell bosco -about madwifi-install
17:14<bosco>what package is it
17:15<tas_>Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1100 -> lspci -> 02:08.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d1)
17:15<gsimmons>!madwifi-install
17:15<dpkg>madwifi-install is probably ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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17:15<gsimmons>bosco: ^^^^^^^
17:15<bosco>i am srry i am lost
17:15<tas_>Tuner Model/Formats: Philips 8275A // (MN/BG/I/DK/LL') / DVB-T -> HRV-1110
17:15<bosco>i have been running ubuntu ever since 5.10 but i am still lost
17:16<stew>bosco: you are running ubuntu?
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17:16<bosco>stew, yes 7.10
17:16<stew>bosco: you should be seeking help in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, not here
17:16<Supaplex>bosco: topic
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17:17<bosco>Supaplex, but ubuntu is debian based
17:17<Supaplex>!tell bosco -about based on debian
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17:17<stew>bosco: yes it is, we don't support it. please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
17:17<tas_>bye thanks
17:17<Supaplex>bosco: and our topic clearly says what?
17:17<limac>/server irc.freenode.net
17:17<limac>/join #ubuntuforums-beginner
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17:18<stew>just #ubuntu, not #ubuntuforums-beginner
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17:19<dondelelcaro>stew: is there a difference? ;-)
17:19<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: lol :P
17:20<jeward>I'm getting this on a newly installed etch system? mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs'
17:20<stew>dondelelcaro: ask #ubuntuforums-beginner if there is a difference
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17:22<jeward>Do I have to reboot? I.e. iis nfs part of the kernel?
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17:23<dondelelcaro>jeward: no, you don't have to reboot, and no, you shouldn't have to specify that it's NFS either.
17:23<Supaplex>jeward: if it's not in /proc/filesystems you might have to load a module for it.
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17:23<Supaplex>yea, mount box:/export /mountpoint should be plenty
17:23<Supaplex>or ip.ip.ip.ip:/export
17:23<dondelelcaro>jeward: you just mount foohost:/exports; assuming you've installed nfs-client (or nfs-common or whatever it is now)
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17:24<jeward>So, removing the nfs designation from /etc/.fstab may solve it?
17:24<jeward>It's not listed in /proc/filesystems.
17:25<dondelelcaro>jeward: if you're using a Debian kernel, it should be loaded automatically anyway.
17:25<jeward>dondelelcaro: Fresh etch install, but doesn't seem to know about nfs.
17:25<dondelelcaro>jeward: have you installed nfs-common?
17:26<jeward>dondelelcaro: Yes, still nada.
17:26<dondelelcaro>jeward: what is the precise command you're using to mount the nfs filesystem?
17:26<jeward>dondelelcaro: mount -a (with nfs filesystems listed in /etc/fstab)
17:26<dondelelcaro>jeward: what is the line for those filesystems in /etc/fstab?
17:26<jeward>dondelelcaro: the fstab being from it's sarge former incarnation.
17:27<dondelelcaro>jeward: well, you can just modprobe nfs; but it shouldn't be required.
17:27<jeward>I'll try that.
17:27<jeward>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-486/modules.dep: No such file or directory
17:28<dondelelcaro>jeward: uh... that's not an etch kernel
17:28<jeward>It's installed a new kernel since then though.
17:28<jeward>I'm thinking a reboot is in progress.
17:28<dondelelcaro>ah
17:28<jeward>Or, is needed.
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17:28<dondelelcaro>yeah, it should be 2.6.18-3 or something like that
17:28<jeward>Let me set up the console redirection and reboot it.
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17:38<nuno>greetings guys
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17:40<nuno>i wonder if anyone knows how to register a static device in udev in an automatic way... for example if i plug in a usb drive.. i want it to be ALWAYS /dev/sdf and no matter what i connect to the machine, the /dev/sdf is reserved
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17:41<Supaplex>nuno: the networking kinda does the same thing. try find /etc/ -name z25\* for some hints
17:42<nuno>Supaplex: ok i'll check that ty :)
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17:42<Supaplex>nuno: let us know, I'd like that for future reference to :)
17:42<stew>nuno: write a udev rule to crate a symlink to it, but i would recommend choosing a new name instead of /dev/sdf, like /dev/somenameyoumakeup
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17:43<nuno>stew: that's the whole point.. i dont want to have to do that
17:43<nuno>the real sittuation is the following (i've been here early today with a similar question)
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17:43<nuno>1 server, 2 storages with fibre
17:44<nuno>i want to be able to add/remove luns from each storages..
17:44<nuno>and without reconfiguring anything in the server (device related) be sure that tthe device order will not change
17:44<nuno>do you guys get the picture?
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17:46<Supaplex>I do, but I have little idea how, and not a lot of will (knee deep in attempting a xen backport)
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17:46<stew>nuno: so don't use /dev/sdf, use /dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever
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17:47<nuno>stew: do you know how that ID is generated?
17:47<nuno>stew: i thought about that but i'm not sure that ID will not change for example if the scsi path changes...
17:48<stew>nuno: its generated by the manufacturer. different manufacturer's have different schmes. they wont change, ever
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17:49<stew>wait, that isn't right
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17:50<nuno>:S
17:50<Supaplex>this is frustrating. why is it redownloading sources?! grrrr.
17:50<stew>"uniqueness. A guaranteed UUID contains a reference to the network address of the host that generated the UUID, a timestamp (a record of the precise time of a transaction), and a randomly generated component"
17:50<themill>yeah, and I believe in Santa.
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17:51<nuno>stew: so? didnt follow u on that :|
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17:52<Supaplex>eg, uuidgen
17:52<stew>nuno: i don't know the exact mechanism whereby the uuid is generated, it involves numbers that are random, numbers from your network card, and a timestamp. but the uuid is not going to change
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17:55[~]Supaplex sinks his teeth deeply into <simple sid backport>, and disembodies most of the entrails
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18:08<nuno>stew: my last doubt is this..
18:08<nuno>if you reboot
18:09<nuno>will the uuid be regenerated? or is it stored somewhere? and if so, where?
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18:50<themill>aptitude: wb abrotman
18:50<aptitude>themill: wish i knew
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18:55<Supaplex>http://rafb.net/p/5m5rt835.html I suppose this has to have another -I where the kernel headers are?
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19:02<lucas_amorim>!paste
19:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
19:04<lucas_amorim>Hello. I am using debian lenny. I used to run frostwire to share files but some time ago, somehow, it stopped working. When i start it via terminal, it says this: http://paste.debian.net/44384
19:05<lucas_amorim>I have got sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre and others sun-java6 packages installed
19:05<lucas_amorim>what is the problem?
19:06<themill>lucas_amorim: what does java -version show?
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19:07<lucas_amorim>themill: good idea
19:07<lucas_amorim>java version "1.5.0"
19:07<themill>hmmm.. well that's not sun-java6 as that would report 1.6.0
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19:07<themill>you could try update-alternatives for the java targets. Or use galternatives to do it.
19:07<beggar>boa noite
19:08<lucas_amorim>themill: really? I do not have sun-java5 installed
19:08<lucas_amorim>!br
19:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:08<themill>lucas_amorim: java -version say anything else?
19:08<lucas_amorim>themill: yes
19:09<lucas_amorim>I will paste there
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19:09<lucas_amorim>http://paste.debian.net/44385
19:09<lucas_amorim>themill: pasted
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19:10<themill>lucas_amorim: ok, so that's from the gij free java implementation. (part of gcc)
19:10<themill>update-alternatives --config java
19:10<lucas_amorim>ok
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19:11<lucas_amorim>command not found
19:11<lucas_amorim>is it a package to install?
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19:12<themill>lucas_amorim: run it as root
19:12<themill>it's in /usr/sbin/
19:12<lucas_amorim>:D
19:12<lucas_amorim>hehehe
19:12<lucas_amorim>sorry
19:12<themill>np
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19:14<lucas_amorim>themill: Ok, it shows me 4 options, 3 from gij and 1 from sun. Then I must pick the one form sun... right?
19:14<themill>yes, it seems that way from what you first pasted.
19:15<lucas_amorim>themill: ok, it is working now ?)
19:15<lucas_amorim>:)
19:15<lucas_amorim>thanks!!
19:15<themill>no worries. Enjoy.
19:15<themill>btw, what is frostbite?
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19:16<lucas_amorim>frostwire is an opensource clone of limewire p2p client :)
19:16<lucas_amorim>really good, you should have a try
19:16<themill>may do one day... :)
19:16<lucas_amorim>:)
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19:17<lucas_amorim>themill: do you know of a way of setting my router to give me always the same local ip?
19:18<themill>lucas_amorim: on your adsl modem/router?
19:18<lucas_amorim>Every time i start the system it gives me either 192.168.30.2 or 192.168.30.3
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19:18<lucas_amorim>yes
19:19<lucas_amorim>because it is annoying to set the portfowarding everytime it gives me a different ip
19:19<themill>lucas_amorim: Some do, some don't. There's often a "static ip list" in the web config that you can specify a MAC address and an IP to give that mac address.
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19:19<lucas_amorim>themill: have already seen the speedstream 5200?
19:19<lucas_amorim>that is what I have here
19:20<themill>lucas_amorim: no. (btw my router calls it a "static dhcp table")
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19:20<lucas_amorim>I thought it was a config inside debian network-interfaces file
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19:21<themill>lucas_amorim: you could tell your dhcp client to request a certain IP address each time, but the router might ignore the request.
19:21<lucas_amorim>just leave set up the network automatically?
19:21<Supaplex>are all patches in debian/patches suppose to be dpatches aka shell scripts?
19:21<lucas_amorim>on debian
19:21<lucas_amorim>?
19:21<lucas_amorim>so I should only config my router?
19:22<lucas_amorim>themill: how do i tell my dhcp client to request a certain IP address each time?
19:22<themill>lucas_amorim: that's the way I do it. I don't know of another approach that will work without fail. The dhcp server controls the dhcp interaction so you need to configure it from that end.
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19:23<themill>lucas_amorim: iirc man dhcp-options will tell you
19:23<lucas_amorim>ok
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19:23<lucas_amorim>thank you :)
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19:24<themill>np. have fun!
19:25<geek>bye leaving
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19:26<themill>dpkg: g'night
19:26<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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19:26<lucas_amorim>themill:
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19:26<lucas_amorim>should i insert those options on dhcp.conf?
19:26<lucas_amorim>or is there another config file?
19:27<themill> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (and man 5 dhclient.conf may have been a better reference for you... ;)
19:27<lucas_amorim>themill: ok
19:28<themill>ciao!
19:28<lucas_amorim>bye! :)
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19:28<lucas_amorim>xau
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19:37<marupa>Hi, brand new install of ubuntu 7.10, set up my tablet (wizardpen driver) but whenever I tap it pastes the contents of the clipboard...no idea why.
19:38<Supaplex>marupa: see /topic
19:38<dondelelcaro>(but almost asuredly, it's clicking the middle button)
19:38<marupa>wait a sec...I told it to go to ubuntu. what the heck.
19:39<marupa>well, thanks for telling me.
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19:40<znalo>typo :-)
19:40<Supaplex>yeah, the keys are like all right close together
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19:56<RAVTUX>hello all ;)
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19:59<klando>how can I prevent this to happen : "kernel: scsi 4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device" ? After logical block error, I'd like to keep the device up ....
20:00<klando>(I am running some dd_rescue)
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20:08<lujuurioso>#encuantros
20:08<lujuurioso>hola
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20:39<george>hehe! my router power supply burned up... replaced it and I'm baaaaaaaack!
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21:16<leftylink>what is this room for...
21:17<MikkLinux>debian question room
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21:18<leftylink>hm... yeh was wondering because people don't seem to talk here; everyone seems to be talking on #debian on freenode
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21:19<MikkLinux>are they talking debian or just off topic? this room is not really an off topic room
21:19<leftylink>hmm... atm they're talking debian
21:19<leftylink>I don't regularly frequent the IRC rooms so I wouldn't know if they usually talk off topic
21:20<MikkLinux>what is the full name of the server they are on?
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21:21<leftylink>eh? that'd be chat.freenode.net
21:21<chealer>hehe. leftylink: this room just has less traffic
21:21<leftylink>I see
21:22<klando>hey as there is some people... do you know how to prevent usb to kill device when thereis I/O error ?
21:22<klando>(usb hard disk)
21:22<AzaTht>what would be the best way to trace real line art into svg?
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21:23<MikkLinux>wow there is lot more people on the freenode chat
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21:23<klando>the freenode one is the old official one, many users keep their screens on it :-D
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21:24<MikkLinux>I guess many people idle those chats
21:24<AzaTht>MikkLinux: it's simliar for gimp
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21:24<MikkLinux>say what is the best IRC client out there for linux
21:25<AzaTht>MikkLinux: I think few people want to be on multiple servers simultainiously
21:25<MikkLinux>I'm on xchat right now
21:25<MikkLinux>just wonder if there is something better
21:25<AzaTht>"best" is relative
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21:25<MikkLinux>lol multiple servers is not a problem with tabs
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21:25<AzaTht>MikkLinux: you still need to connect to them
21:26<MikkLinux>just to set them up on autoconnect
21:26<MikkLinux>it's fine
21:26<stew>!best irc client
21:26<dpkg>rumour has it, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client
21:26<AzaTht>stew: haha
21:26<AzaTht>as I said, it's relative
21:26<stew>!best irc client =~ s/-text//
21:26<dpkg>OK, stew
21:27<AzaTht>hmm
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21:27<AzaTht>stew: I've tried irssi, but the lack of useful text encoding is not useful for me
21:28<AzaTht>(think it was a long time ago, perhaps it has changed)
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21:28<AzaTht>but, also the need to be enclosed in a terminal isn't that optimal imo
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21:31<AzaTht>but some prefers terminal chat clients
21:32<AzaTht>possible as a way to stay "cool" ツ
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21:35<amphi>AzaTht: two words - 'gnu screen'
21:36<lucas_amorim>I have just download a big file via bit torrent and it came in 4 separated .rar files. How can I merge them back to one file within debian?
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21:36<amphi>lucas_amorim: unrar, mirabile dictu
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21:37<AzaTht>amphi: that I understand, though I'm not using screen much nowadays
21:37<amphi>lucas_amorim: it's in non-free, vrms will not approve ;)
21:37<lucas_amorim>amphi: thanks, I will take a look at their man pages
21:38<AzaTht>amphi: as I just open a new terminal if I need one ツ
21:39<lucas_amorim>amphi: I could not figure out how to do that with unrar..
21:39<amphi>even witjh tabbed terms, too many is a PITA - it's nice to be able to ctrl-a d things, I find
21:39<lucas_amorim>amphi: vrms?
21:40<amphi>lucas_amorim: I don't know much about rar, I'm afraid, nor, for that matter, why people use it
21:40<amphi>!vrms
21:40<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :)
21:40<AzaTht>type rar x rar-archive.rar
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21:41<AzaTht>amphi: potato? old quote?
21:41<lucas_amorim>AzaTht: but there are many files
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21:41<lucas_amorim>AzaTht: They should be merged into one
21:42<amphi>AzaTht: perhaps vrms was introduced in potato, dunno
21:42<AzaTht>lucas_amorim: they should be merged during unarchiving
21:42<AzaTht>it should be enough to point to the first archive
21:42<amphi>lucas_amorim: unpack 'em all and see what you get, perhaps
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21:42<lucas_amorim>ok
21:42<lucas_amorim>I will try both ways.. thank you!!!
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21:43<AzaTht>amphi: and you are using ratposion also then? ツ
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21:43<amphi>AzaTht: no
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21:44<amphi>AzaTht: I mucked about with wmii for a bit, but my res is too low for a tiling wm, I find
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21:44<AzaTht>The problem I have felt about many programs, is that they are designed for US keyboard only
21:44<AzaTht>low res?
21:44<amphi>low panel resolution on my laptop
21:45<AzaTht>aha
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21:45<AzaTht>I don't really understand the reason for tiling wm
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21:46<amphi>AzaTht: in brief, the philosophy seems to be that the wm should manage the windows (sizing, placement), and do it right, rather than overlapping windows flopping about all over the place
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21:46<AzaTht>hmm
21:47<AzaTht>I think it requires the user to look at different places on the screen all the time
21:48<AzaTht>as you cannot really have anything centered on the screen
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21:49<cristian>hello
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22:00<nazmin_>need help how to make /dev/ttyACM0 accessible to normal user. Need to perform chmod 777 whenever plug in my mobile
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22:09<fabio>sis966l audio linux
22:09<fabio>chipset
22:09<Supaplex>for the lose?
22:10<fabio>where i find drive for chipset SIS966L audio?
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22:10<Supaplex>you might already have it.
22:10<Supaplex>!alsa
22:10<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
22:10<fabio>so
22:11<fabio>alsa come with necessary drives?
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22:11<Supaplex>yes
22:11<Supaplex>most likely
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22:11<fabio>i dont know were is the problem
22:12<fabio>my motherboard is new the old is broken but is the same model
22:12<Supaplex>did you read up on the wiki, or those other suggested factoids?
22:12<fabio>and before works fine
22:13<fabio>supaplex what u sugest
22:13<Supaplex>read what dpkg said
22:13<fabio>ok
22:14<fabio>but ubuntu come with alsa
22:14<fabio>rithg?
22:14<Supaplex>fabio: are you using ubuntu?
22:14<fabio>yes
22:14<Supaplex>then you need to ask #ubuntu
22:14<Supaplex>see the /topic
22:15<fabio>ups
22:15<fabio>only have 5 persons
22:15<fabio>xiiiiiiiii
22:16<Supaplex>try irc.freenode.net
22:16<fabio>ok
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22:19<Supaplex>dpkg: ping
22:19<dpkg>pong
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22:32<defiant>why does "tracert -d" on win32 provide much more useful results than the equivalent "traceroute -n" on linux?
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22:48<dondelelcaro>defiant: what in particular does tracert -d provide that you want to see?
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22:52<dondelelcaro>FWICT, tracert -d is the equivalent of traceroute -n
22:52<dondelelcaro>(everything uses -n (for numeric), NFC why MS decided to use -d)
22:54<Supaplex>because they have to be different, of course.
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22:55<dondelelcaro>or more likely, the person who wrote tracert for them was clueless
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23:15<Withdraw>how do i keep x window from starting
23:15<Withdraw>it auto starts and its just a blank screen
23:15<Withdraw>and i cant alt ctrl backspace
23:15<Withdraw>or a+c+f*
23:16<Withdraw>i know how to get it from starting... i guess my real question is how can get to a console
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23:38<mike__>Many Debian mirrors are not working?
23:38<mike__>http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors
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23:58<lulu>do you recommend using ati's website binary to install ati radeon x700 video card?, I just tried ati, radeon, and fglrx driver without luck, they tell me they can't find any
23:58<lulu>any screen
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