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00:33<CrlMan>hello!
00:33<CrlMan>Alguem do Brasil?!
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00:36<simonrvn>&br
00:36<simonrvn>aptitude: br
00:36<aptitude>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:07<shardz>NIGGER NIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGERNIGGER
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01:22<lindenle>anyone know a way to combine all the emails to root into a digest?
01:22<lindenle>for a day
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01:36<knoppix_>hey
01:37|-|knoppix_ changed nick to Guest706
01:37<ce_dudulz>jua
01:37<Supaplex>no hey. all out. we feed you later.
01:37<Guest706>cya
01:38<ce_dudulz>???
01:38<Guest706>is anyone actually here?
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01:38<Supaplex>is this a trick question?
01:38<Guest706>lol
01:39<ameyer>Guest706: I'm not here, this isn't happening
01:39<Guest706>didnt think so
01:41<simonrvn>Guest706: we're just bots pretending to be humans typing at you
01:42<Guest706>thought as much although i must say the intervals are very well timed xP
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01:42<simonrvn>i don't know, what is it?
01:43<Supaplex>our programmers spent years on that feature.
01:44<Guest706>wow i wish i were as talented as them...
01:45<simonrvn>can we help you with that?
01:45<Guest706>*sarcasm*yeah tottaly*sarcasm*
01:46<simonrvn>no need for sarcasm, Guest706. how are you today?
01:46<Guest706>tired and you?
01:46<simonrvn>bots are always well
01:46<Guest706>xP
01:47<simonrvn>you have a sense of humour, Guest706. that is good for your health
01:47<Guest706>yeah and can i ask are you lot just being so formal to freak me out or is it always like this
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01:48<Killing_Frost>Anyone have an idea where to find a howto to install Debian Etch using a speaking LiveCD like GRML or Oralux, so I can hear what the installer's doing?
01:48[~]simonrvn breaks out laughing
01:48<simonrvn>i was pretending to be a bot =)
01:48<Guest706>google is your friend killing_frost
01:48<Guest706>naw ya dont say xD
01:49<simonrvn>:D
01:49<Supaplex>Killing_Frost: the i-g covers installing on existing linux systems, but I have no background in the speech part.
01:50<Guest706>can i just ask what flav of unix you lot running on?
01:50[~]Killing_Frost grins. The web is the hardest thing to use when you're blind. Gotta tab to every link, wait for it to be read to ya, tab to the next, etc.
01:50<simonrvn>this is #debian, guess ;)
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01:50<simonrvn>Killing_Frost: eh, i can only imagine
01:50<Guest706>srsly killing_frost and
01:51<Guest706>btw simonrvn lets take a guess dsl!!
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01:51<Supaplex>aptitude: topicsmite Guest706
01:51<aptitude>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Supaplex
01:51<Supaplex>our poor beloved bots are missing in action. *sigh*
01:52<simonrvn>rb isn't on this net
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01:52<Supaplex>no dpkg?
01:52[~]Killing_Frost shrugs. Just too antsy to wait for the laptop so I can do a telnet installation. Tnx, anyway.
01:52<Supaplex>oh rb aka ravenbird?
01:52<simonrvn>yup
01:53<Guest706>anyway how is everyone?
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01:53<simonrvn>like you, tired, but ok
01:53<Killing_Frost>Doing excellent.
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01:53<Supaplex>Guest706: that will take a long time to answer. there are a lot of deciding factors in the quanity "everyone"
01:53<simonrvn>Supaplex: heh heh heh
01:53<santosh>good morning evry1 :)
01:53<Guest706>good good its 7 am where i am so im absaloutly knackered
01:53<Killing_Frost>Hello, santosh.
01:54<santosh>9am here...
01:54<santosh>Killing_Frost, gm!
01:54<Guest706>9am bad time it mean school
01:54<santosh>compiling kernel... (me 39yrs, no school :) lotsa options i see
01:55<Guest706>lucky
01:55<Supaplex>Sunday is 6min away... who has school on Sunday? :-D
01:55<Killing_Frost>Church-goers.
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01:56<Supaplex><contagin>*YAWN*</contagin>
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01:58[~]Killing_Frost wonders if there's a CLI client that does internet radio.
01:59<Supaplex>'does' ? play? or publish?
02:00[~]Killing_Frost hrms and goes to look up play's man page.
02:01<santosh>Killing_Frost, can you help me? i am using this : http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/
02:01<Supaplex>I use xmms2 for that.
02:01<santosh>kf, but i think my systems uses grub, not lilo. what i do? (how to find that out...)
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02:03<Supaplex>santosh: try dpkg -l lilo grub
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02:03<marcuss>hey
02:04<marcuss>hello anyone there?
02:05<santosh>Supaplex, dpkg -l (letter L) ?
02:05<Supaplex>yes l as in lion
02:07<santosh>yes, i have grub (couldn't see parameter L in man dpkg, that's why i asked previous)
02:08[~]Killing_Frost grunts.
02:08<Supaplex> dpkg -l | --list package-name-pattern ...
02:08<Supaplex> List packages matching given pattern.
02:08<santosh>then i need info howto put new kernel inside grub instead of lilo
02:09<Supaplex>santosh: for a debian packaged kernel? or one your roll yourself?
02:09<Supaplex>the ideal is the former, even if it's custom.
02:09<santosh>i need to config it from general pentium set to mobile p4, which this has
02:09<Supaplex>!tell santosh -about kp
02:09<marcuss>can i ask a question?
02:09<Killing_Frost>I use lilo, myself. Never tried grub.
02:09<Supaplex>marcuss: always
02:10<santosh>basically, i need as fast as possible mahcine/kernel
02:10<santosh>and also secure.
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02:10<marcuss>well does anyone know a unix distro that could fit on between 1-10 floppys (1.44,b) and it has a GUI interface
02:11<Killing_Frost>FreeDOS/4DOS/Win3.11?
02:12<santosh>ah it's update-grub the answerr for me. marcuss, i check also...
02:12<marcuss>i need for my laptop (that old cant take disks or usb sticks) thanks man
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02:12<Supaplex>marcuss: it's been ages, but there's many 1 floppy linux using something like a 2.0 kernel (maybe newer).
02:12<Killing_Frost>No CDROM?
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02:13<Supaplex>Killing_Frost: no, not all lappies have cdroms. :( I gave up on one of those a few years ago
02:13<Killing_Frost>GRML has nice CD with all that...
02:13<marcuss>yh mines does its just its kinda that old the dust bunnies killled it
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02:13<santosh>marcuss, googling gives this: http://distrowatch.com/
02:13<marcuss>and i know supaplex its just allot of them are just unix shells
02:14<marcuss>i wud of googled but im using a linux emu so its as slow as anything:)
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02:14[~]Killing_Frost can't remember, but GRML might also have a net install option.
02:14<Bolly>what's the command to forcefully kill a process by pid?
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02:14<Supaplex>Bolly: it's the kill command.
02:15<marcuss>xkill
02:15<marcuss>- da x
02:15<santosh>marcuss, try this: http://www.linux.org/dist/list.html
02:15<marcuss>ty man u pwn
02:15<Supaplex>Bolly: kill -9 <pid>
02:15<Bolly>weird, it stays there when i do
02:15<Bolly>ah thanks that has got it
02:15<Bolly>cheers supaplex
02:16<Supaplex>Bolly: kill (aka, signal) has many signals (each work in different ways depending on the process). also, a process cannot receive a signal if it's in the middle of a block or i/o read, but it will receive it once that returns (rare that a process will be stuck that way, but it happens)
02:16[~]Killing_Frost raids his caffiene stash.
02:16<marcuss>has anyone heard of the linux distro Skolelinux ??
02:17[~]Supaplex uses raid10 for his caffiene stash ;)
02:17<Bolly>so it's like a little note to the process saying do this
02:17<Bolly>where -9 is die
02:17<Supaplex>Bolly: yup. -9 is unblockable man kill for all the fun details.
02:17[~]Killing_Frost has a Pepsi unleaded addiction.
02:17<Bolly>is that something the app coder puts in or at an OS level?
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02:19<Supaplex>Bolly: mostly the os level, but the app has more control on unblockable signals
02:20<Supaplex>eg, if you tell an app to sigterm, it could setup a signal handler to clean up important data files before it quits. some programs will ignore them for other reasons.
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02:20<marcuss>can anyone tell me the best version of windows?
02:20<Supaplex>a dead version of windows
02:21<Supaplex>ouu ouu! one that's FOSS and GPL?!
02:21<marcuss>lol apart from that and thanks i run on windows
02:21<Supaplex>you're windows powered? That's a little freaky
02:21[~]Supaplex backs away from marcuss
02:21<Bolly>Supaplex: ok thanks bud
02:21<marcuss>yeah i know
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02:22<marcuss>just for the telnet terminal though
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02:23<marcuss>im too lazy to go linux or whatever im just sticking with emu's of it
02:25[~]Killing_Frost thinks wine under Linux is the best version.
02:27[~]Killing_Frost wonders if Apple's Windows emulator crashes as often as the real McCoy.
02:27<Supaplex>uh what emulator?
02:27<Killing_Frost>Heard Apple has a good Winderz emulator is all.
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02:28<marcuss>its a program that runs like what it says it emulates
02:28<Killing_Frost>I was just wondering if it crashed as often as Windows does.
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02:29<Killing_Frost>Would think it funny as hell if it didn't.
02:29<marcuss>lol no it doesnt acctually
02:29<Killing_Frost>lol
02:30<Killing_Frost>Gonna have to tell my Windows friend that one.
02:30<Supaplex>I own an iBook as well, and have no idea what you're talking about
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02:31<marcuss>lol
02:31<Supaplex>I have had a mac panic on me a couple times :)
02:32<Killing_Frost>Apple Computer's latest OS has a Windows emulator, so you can run Win Progs. It's sounding like it runs things better than Microsoft's does.
02:32<marcuss>nah i hate windows more than mac and windows is better than mac
02:34[~]Killing_Frost wouldn't know, never having used a Mac. My uncle who used to write flight sims for the military swears by them, tho.
02:34<marcuss>whada you mean swears by them?
02:34<Supaplex>people swear by windows to, but it's usually because of a BSOD hahaha
02:35<Killing_Frost>He's tried Windows and Macs and prefers the Mac.
02:35<marcuss>i dont geettit what do you mean by swear
02:35<marcuss>oh right thank you
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02:39[~]Killing_Frost heads out. Keep well, yall.
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02:39<marcuss>cyya l8r
02:40<marcuss>aanyone else still here?
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02:46<Supaplex>stupid forcedeth. grrr
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02:48<marcuss>what happened
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02:48<Supaplex>syslogs on the dhcp server show it's assigning that machine an ip, but it's not picking it up
02:49<marcuss>hm..
02:49<marcuss>what os does the system run on that you want to connect
02:50<Supaplex>it's debian etch
02:50<Supaplex>stock kernel
02:51<marcuss>ah right cause if it was windows i colda connected it to any comp but im just starting with linux
02:51<Supaplex>amd64. worked a few days ago with the xen kernel, but I'm temporarily not using xen at all.
02:53<marcuss>unlucky likes....
02:53<marcuss>can i ask how long have you been using linux?
02:54<Supaplex>years upon years
02:54<Supaplex>http://rafb.net/p/v3BMDv18.html tcpdump off the router (running openwrt). tcpdump on the client only shows dhcp requests
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02:56<Supaplex>works fine again with the xen kernel. strange as it is...
02:57<marcuss>must say it is
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02:58<marcuss>oh yeah by the way i wouldnt let other people see that file or text....
02:59<Supaplex>why? because my ip is in there?
03:00<marcuss>along with open ports listed
03:01<marcuss>ip=no big deal , ip+open ports=i can hack straight into it
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03:03<kmap>Debianers, I am trying to record the PCM output from my soundcard, as given in http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_pcm
03:03<kmap>THe problem is that, the very first command fails, as there's no "Mix" in my sound card controls
03:04<kmap>amixer is "unable to find simple control 'Mix',0"
03:04<kmap>Could you please help me on this? Thanks
03:05<marcuss>sorry i have no idea
03:05<kmap>Well, thanks anyway. :-)
03:06<marcuss>np
03:08<kmap>marcuss: Posted to Debian user (list)
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03:13<santosh>can i found out the chipset information in debian terminal? ie. without rebooting etc...
03:13<kmap>santosh: lspci?
03:14<Supaplex>dmidecode, hwinfo
03:15<santosh>hmm, i googled this laptopbox, got some info there... compiling kernel, stripping out all useless chipsets and processors etc...
03:16<santosh>kmap, Thanks! though it gives diff from googled one...
03:17<kmap>santosh: lspci -vv gives detailed outputs, I guess...
03:17<kmap>santosh: Besides, it depends on the chips you actually have in your machine! :-)
03:18<santosh>Supaplex, thanks! omg this has temp in processor! a lot to enable, i see...
03:18<cahoot>kmap: hda-intel? (your sounddevice)
03:18<kmap>cahoot: Yes.
03:18<kmap>cahoot: Could you help me further?
03:19<marcuss>right im away for a little doze catch ya l8rz
03:19<cahoot>kmap: I'd suggest: try update alsa
03:19<santosh>kmap, yes, but do i need to open this laptop? i hope not, ie. which to choose? lspci info of dell's latitude info leaflet?
03:19<kmap>santosh: OK, I am not answering that one. I am not sure. Sorry! :-)
03:20<kmap>cahoot: Please tell me if you want me to upgrade libasound2 or get the latest alsa-drivers from source.
03:21<cahoot>kmap: what alsaversino does cat /proc/asound/version report?
03:21<kmap>1.0.14
03:22<santosh>so much info... i need to think. maybe it was wrong laptop, needtocheck.... brb
03:22<cahoot>testing?
03:22<cahoot>kmap: testing-kernel?
03:22<kmap>cahoot: Custom kernel. 2.6.23.1 from Vannila
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03:23<kmap>cahoot: BTW, I use Lenny/Sid, if that helps...
03:24<cahoot>kmap: everything but recording works as expected?
03:24<kmap>cahoot: Yes, I can record from Line in, even. But I can't ercord what plays out from my sound card.
03:25<kmap>cahoot: Even mixing works! I mean I can play 2-3 songs simultaneously etc.
03:25<cahoot>kmap: ok forget what I said about upgrading
03:25<kmap>cahoot: Oh, OK. :-)
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03:31<Supaplex>marcuss: just fyi, http://bugs.debian.org/455195 - and on that, I'm zzZzzz. later.
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04:24<shivraj>hello
04:25<shivraj>how do I upgrade my kernel to the latest version ?
04:25<kmap>shivraj: apt-get install linux-image-<version>
04:25<kmap>shivraj: Find the latest version from the output of apt-cache search linux-image
04:25<shivraj>kmap : thank you as I came back from the bar drunk tonight :-)
04:26<kmap>shivraj: I'm a teetotaller! :-)
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04:27<sheldonh>how are you supposed to link against libc-client in debian etch?
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04:28<zer0>ñ_ñ
04:29<sheldonh>i do the obvious -lc-client and get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc-client". ldconfig -p shows "libc-client.so.2002edebian (libc6) => /usr/lib/libc-client.so.2002edebian"
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04:31<shivraj>kmap: whats a teetotaller ?
04:32<sheldonh>shivraj: someone who doesn't drink alchohol
04:32<sheldonh>shivraj: or even alcohol ;)
04:32<sheldonh>shivraj: mind you, wordnet reckons it's just a total abstainer, rather than a total alcohol abstainer
04:33<kmap>shivraj: :-)
04:33<shivraj>sheldonh hrmmm
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04:34<shivraj>see I went to RPI ... one of those semi IVEY leage schools .. and hooked up with the down town troy crew ... those were the days
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04:36<shivraj>I got 2.6.18-4-486
04:36<darky-bochum-22-DE>cheers
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04:38<shivraj>give me at fucking qx9650 !!!!!!!!!!! I reckon!!!
04:38<darky-bochum-22-DE>any german here that can help me? have problems to install g++ =( on ubuntu 7.10
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04:38<shivraj>but my dual pIII - 500 used to serve up all the games to the RPI counter strike crew ... I was in the library :-)
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04:39<shivraj>those p3s used to run real nice
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04:39<nacs>darky-bochum-22-DE #debian.de
04:39<streuner>darky-bochum-22-DE: #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net)
04:40<streuner>nacs: no
04:40<cahoot>#ubuntu-de rather
04:40<darky-bochum-22-DE>thanks i will join and try it there
04:40<darky-bochum-22-DE>:D
04:40<nacs>streuner of course, i was thinking of talking to him in german, but i'm not in the ubuntu channels ;)
04:41<streuner>* CTCP PING 1197193285 von darky-bochum-22-DE empfangen
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04:45<Schampong>can someone ping some #debian-cd folks? I need a little question about the debian isos.
04:45<streuner>just ask
04:45<Schampong>sure, but the #debian-cd is currently pretty empty
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04:45<Schampong>fine
04:45<Schampong>can somebody explain me what and why there is a debian-update-4.0r1-i386-DVD-1.iso? weren't 3 DVDs not enough? or is it something special? unfortunately, I was unable to find a description of the ISOs
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04:46[~]shivraj blah
04:46<streuner>Schampong: just use netinstall-CD to install, and read ig
04:46<streuner>ravenbird, ig
04:47<Schampong>hmm, what is ig :D
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04:47<streuner>ravenbird> Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is Testing!
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04:49<Gekz>can anyone tell me how I can add an apt source to a monolithic installer?
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04:50<knoppix_>Guten Tag
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04:52<Dude>Dem Dude ist das egal
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05:01<sheldonh>shivraj: pentium m was the last decent cpu intel produced. all rubbish since then
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05:02<sheldonh>how do i link against libc-client2002edebian? i do the obvious -lc-client and get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc-client". ldconfig -p shows "libc-client.so.2002edebian (libc6) => /usr/lib/libc-client.so.2002edebian"
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05:02<shivraj>sheldonh : are you serious ?
05:03<shivraj>sheldonh : power yes ...... througput another story
05:04<shivraj>sheldonh I challenge you @ 1199 .... per silicon process .. one begs the question
05:04[~]shivraj hehe is it still silicon based ...... Im just a computer scientist
05:05<shivraj>I am not a physists / chemist
05:06<shivraj>sheldonh : and the pentium Ms step down to 800 mhz ..... from 1700 MHz
05:06<shivraj>my toshiba that I sold used to overheat all the time at 1700 Mhz
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05:07[~]shivraj is using a an amd 3800+ ......... somewhat satisfied
05:08<sheldonh>shivraj: that was the point beyond which they deoptimized cmpxchg by a factor of over 100, which impacts heavily on smp (and why amd kicks intel's but in smp systems supporting cpu/softirq-bound applications)
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05:11<lynette>Debian4.0. I have installed libdvdcss2 which opens a few DVD movies but does not work on others. What else do I need to open all DVDs?
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05:11<shivraj>sheldonh : whats cmpxchg ?
05:11<shivraj>and whats cpu/softirq-bound ?
05:12<sheldonh>shivraj: an atomic value compare and exchange, required for smp
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05:13<sheldonh>shivraj: a cpu-bound application is one whose primary limitation is the performance of the cpu. a softirq-bound application's primary limitation is the speed with which the kernel enters, deals with and exits top half interrupt context
05:13<sheldonh>shivraj: an example of the former would be asterisk. the latter would be a router
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05:14<santosh>the dioff between flat and sparse memory?
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05:15<sheldonh>shivraj: and in fact, it was silly of me to distinguish between the two. a truly cpu-bound application probably isn't affected by a slow cmpxchg
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05:17<shivraj>sheldonh from all the benchmarks I see Intel is killing AMD
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05:17<sheldonh>shivraj: i'm sure they do very well with certain benchmarks
05:17<shivraj>sheldonh AMD should just go out of business since they have no answer for the $1199 processor
05:18<sheldonh>shivraj: i would be very sad to see amd go out of business without anyone taking over their technology
05:18<sheldonh>shivraj: we've stopped buying and recommending intel. they're the microsoft of hardware
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05:18<shivraj>sheldonh : wow ... Im clueless .........
05:18<sheldonh>shivraj: or i'm wrong :)
05:19<sheldonh>shivraj: or your applications are a good fit for intel's hardware. can't imagine what those applications would be, but there must be some. benchmarks, perhaps ;)
05:20<sheldonh>shivraj: on linux and bsd routers, we see more than 3 times the packet rate on cheaper amd kit than on more expensive intel kit. it's shameless :)
05:20<shivraj>sheldonh : hehe
05:22<sheldonh>anyway, this asterisk backport will have to wait... i still don't love libc-client :)
05:23<shivraj>sheldonh : I dont know much abt CPUs but maybe you should look at AMDs market share compared to INTELS (market cap)
05:24<shivraj>17 bill comapared to like 100 billion
05:24<shivraj>sheldonh : those intel Quad Cores are simply ridiculous
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05:25<sheldonh>shivraj: that's as meaningful to me as macdonalds' market share compared with that of vendors of actual nutrition :)
05:26<shivraj>sheldonh : well taken
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05:26<sheldonh>shivraj: as i said, intel are the microsoft of hardware. that the masses buy in is not an endorsement :)
05:26<jcpiza>good performance => good people and good businesses.
05:26<jcpiza>bad performance => bad people and bad businesses.
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05:27<shivraj>sheldonh : I returned my amd 6400+ because of all of the hype .......... I said thats a piece of shit
05:27<santosh>any ternimal way to find out glibc version?
05:27<jcpiza>Intel company is healthier than AMD company
05:27<sheldonh>shivraj: i suspect you're coming from the desktop context, in which case our hardware needs would be quite different :)
05:28<shivraj>sheldonh : should have actually tried it out but my 3800+ does the job for now ..
05:28<sheldonh>jcpiza: indeed. nothing quite like getting away with breaking the law and selling crap to fools, to get you fat and smiling :)
05:29<shivraj>worried about more important things like my web application which will be revolutionary
05:29<sheldonh>jcpiza: and i'd say that your good performance / bad performance indicators are too simple. i think you'd find Fooled by Randomness (a book) absolutely mind blowing :)
05:29<noc>sind auch deutsche am start?
05:29<sheldonh>shivraj: good luck :)
05:30<sheldonh>but now i really must go. so-ho-ho late :)
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05:30<shivraj>and these fucking GWT vs Django vs Rails bs
05:30<shivraj>which do you think is the best ?
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05:30<jcpiza>apache?
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05:30<noc>http://mirc.hacker.to
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05:45<simonrvn>@wb
05:45<ravenbird>thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back.
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05:52<simonrvn>ravenbird: tell me if anyone abuses you, i'll kick their ass :P
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06:01<noc>HEEEEEEEEEELPPPP
06:02<noc>i have the bootloader install to the externe
06:02<noc>and now i can not start my notebook
06:02<noc>sry for my strange englisch
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06:06<xeliven>hi Óд­ÆøµÄû£¿£¿£¿
06:06<xeliven>hi .......
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06:12<Merlin69>somone to help me installing a debian netwerkinstallati from usb
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06:16<Merlin69>hallo /
06:16<noc>merlin german?
06:17<mu-tiger>guten tag!
06:18<nacs>tach!
06:18<mu-tiger>:D
06:18<noc>kennt ihr euch mit dem bootloader aus...
06:18<mu-tiger>wait
06:18<mu-tiger>i'm just learning ;p
06:18<noc>achso OK
06:19<noc>how long you learn german
06:19<mu-tiger>a couplea weeks
06:19<mu-tiger>few
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06:19<mu-tiger>of course i learned the evil stuff first
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06:19<mu-tiger>ie, 'du stinkst wie scheisse!'
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06:20<mu-tiger>hmz
06:20<mu-tiger>bootloader troubles then?
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06:22<Merlin69>Merlin=Dutch
06:22<Merlin69>iam try to install a netwerk iso on a Simpc
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06:22<Merlin69>that pc is running from a CF card
06:22<mu-tiger>hm
06:23<Merlin69>its working fine but now i like to install ftom usb instead of cd drive
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06:23<Merlin69>so i guess i have to make that usb bootable
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06:25<mu-tiger>i don't know, sorry, i've never run debian before
06:25<Merlin69>:-(
06:25<Merlin69>maby somone els can tel me how tu install from usb
06:25<mu-tiger>i'm trying to sort schtuff for myself but it looks like it's not going to be compatible with reiserfs
06:25<mu-tiger>yeah
06:25<mu-tiger>hang out for a bit
06:26<mu-tiger>when ppl get active again, ask again
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06:26<Merlin69>i have to boot to knppix to make de usb bootable then iam back
06:26<mu-tiger>alright
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06:38<Berte>Hallo, does someone know why Vista is so slow with Samba 3.0.24? even after changing the key in the registry
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06:38<Berte>On a windows Xp pc samba works fine!
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06:39<daypitoum>strange
06:39<cahoot>MS improved it's protocol?
06:39<Berte>cannot upgrade samba! its on an NSLU2, last version is 3.0.24
06:39<Berte>still no compatibel
06:40<Berte>MSFT xxxx
06:40<daypitoum>go easy with the troll :)
06:40<Berte>;>)
06:41<Berte>Its no hardware, the ftp works fine! decent speed, but Samba 75 kb.( time to the pass)
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06:46<st0rk>hi all!
06:46<mu-tiger>hi st0rk!
06:47<st0rk>i have a problem with vpn, server give incorrect remote ip... only me :(
06:49<st0rk>windows users - is ok
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06:49<k3pc>epbx
06:50<k3pc>hello
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06:51<st0rk>Dec 9 13:41:33 dell pppd[14373]: remote IP address 82.207.113.215
06:51<st0rk>Dec 9 13:41:33 dell pppd[14373]: IPCP terminated by peer
06:51<st0rk>valid remote ip is 192.168.20.1
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07:04<Flexy>I'm running some programs under chroot (32bit only programs) with schroot. Been doing it awhile now and I noticed that /proc/mounts is filled with lines like /dev/sda3 /var/lib/schroot/mount/sid32-48a826f6-34ed-40a8-9260-4f0f8c0f1c89/tmp ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
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07:05<Flexy>16 times for each (/tmp /home /mnt)
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07:06<Flexy>I suspect this is not right, but I don't know how to fix/prevent this
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07:18<Berte>Is it possible to use ipkg packages with debian?
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07:19<Merlin69>hallo..
07:19<Berte>yo
07:20<Merlin69>somone can help me how i can set a debian ioo on a usb stick...
07:20<Berte>Are you a debian guru? i have a question
07:20<Merlin69>iam nu guru
07:20<Merlin69>no
07:20<Merlin69>iam looking for answes myselfe ;-)
07:20<Berte>me too, ask maybe
07:20<Berte>i am running debian on a Usb stick
07:21<Merlin69>iam try to get an debain on a simpc with no ide
07:21<Merlin69>are you?
07:21<Merlin69>how do you put in on the stick?
07:21<Berte>no yet ;>)
07:21<Berte>with a boottraplooder
07:21<Berte>on a nslu2 linksys
07:22<Merlin69>i had a nslu2
07:22<Merlin69>but not using that anymore
07:22<Berte>yes and you want install debian on it
07:22<Berte>Why?
07:22<Merlin69>i have done that
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07:22<Merlin69>it's easy
07:22<Berte>i know, but still have problems with Samba
07:22<Merlin69>jou need a program to write to the nslu2\
07:23<Berte>yep Boottraploader
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07:23<Merlin69>true
07:23<Berte>i am using windows vista and Samba, but its terrific slow
07:23<Berte>have 3.0.24 samba, but still slow
07:24<Merlin69>debian is verry havy
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07:24<Merlin69>to heavy for the nslu2
07:24<Berte>on windows Xp its working great
07:24<Merlin69>that's why i quit working with the nslu2
07:24<Berte>no sure! windows Xp is working fine
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07:24<Merlin69>ohw..
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07:24<Berte>its a security purpose and fast querying
07:25<Berte>NLM2 version ( encrypted default on vista) and that Xxx
07:25<Berte>with Samba
07:25<Merlin69>do you now how to place netwerkinstall iso on my usb?
07:26<Berte>What do you mean with networkinstall? never hear about it
07:26<Merlin69>it;s a small iso that you burn on a cd...
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07:26<Berte>its a live version or..?
07:26<Merlin69>from there it's installing on your pc... while downloading the rest while installing
07:26<Merlin69>verry small installation iso
07:27<Berte>oh, ok!
07:27<Merlin69>i just need a kernel on my simpc
07:27<Berte>you wanna boot on it and make done the installation downloadable
07:27<Merlin69>eather linux is booting well from the usb but debain not
07:27<Merlin69>jess...
07:27<Berte>>(
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07:28<Berte>what is a simpc?
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07:28<Merlin69>http://www.simpc.nl/
07:28<Berte>something little that you can take everywhere with you! :>)
07:28<Merlin69>verry small pc with no hardrive
07:29<Merlin69>de HD is an CF card
07:29<Berte>oh, and only flash memory
07:29<Merlin69>yes...
07:29<Berte>ok, en wat kost het :>)
07:29<Merlin69>hhahaha
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07:29<Berte>lol
07:29<Merlin69>en ik maar moeilijk typen
07:29<Merlin69>heb er 50,- voor betaald
07:29<Merlin69>zonder cf kaartje
07:29<Berte>hebt je geen engelse klavier ofzo?
07:30<Merlin69>debain liep er goed op
07:30<Berte>oh, niet duur
07:30<Merlin69>jawel
07:30<Berte>ga een kijkje nemen
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07:30<Merlin69>maar engels is niet mijn beste taal
07:30<Berte>oh, ok
07:30<Merlin69>maar er zit een mini ide aansluiting in maar ik heb nu geen mini convertor meer
07:31<Berte>da lijkt op een netwerkpc ofzo?
07:31<Merlin69>anders had ik er een cd speler op geset dan installeer debian zonder problemen
07:31<Berte>soort terminal
07:31<Merlin69>klopt
07:31<Merlin69>ouderen pc
07:31<Berte>kan je niet booten op het net
07:31<Merlin69>msn web server mail
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07:31<Merlin69>nee de org software zit e rniet in
07:31<Merlin69>das gentoo
07:31<Merlin69>geheel beschermd
07:32<Berte>ouch , das minder, ken het niet
07:32<Merlin69>maar debian loopt perfect.. maja ik moet gewoon kunnen installeren vanaf mijn usb stick
07:32<Merlin69>zonder dat ik steeds die cd speler moet gebruiken
07:32<Berte>je wil debian installeren op de stick
07:33<Merlin69>de installatie ja
07:33<Merlin69>dus niet debian zelf
07:33<Merlin69>maar de installatie modules
07:33<Berte>jaja, en zo de install verder lopen
07:33<Merlin69>idd..
07:33<Merlin69>dat lukt wel met dsl linux
07:33<Merlin69>en feather linux
07:34<Berte>en besta er geen hack ofzo voor
07:35<Berte>ik wil ipkg installeren on debian, is da mogelijk?
07:35<Merlin69>kan wel
07:36<Merlin69>zo heb ik al wel e.a pakketjes geinstalleerd
07:36<Berte>hoe moet ik het doen? ipkg is niet geinstalleerd
07:36<Merlin69>apt-get gebruiken?
07:36<Berte>geprobeerd met apt-get install ipkg
07:36<Merlin69>o ik heb alleen apt-get gebruikt
07:36<Berte>maar geeft fout!
07:36<Merlin69>geen ipkg
07:37<Berte>ik ook maar moet nu Samba installeren(upgrade) is enkel beschikbaar in ipkg
07:37<Berte>ik denk da het mogelijk is om deze te compileren naar een *.deb maar weet niet hoe
07:37<Merlin69>nee dat gaat mijn ook te ver.. ik kan maar kleine beetje
07:38<Berte>ben ook maar pas bezig, en dat is best vet
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07:38<Berte> debian in feite
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07:39<Berte>ik ga nog wat googlen , sukses
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07:41<N1ghtCrawler>As a windows user i have to ask a sylly question. How do you manage your disks in linux? Can I mount a drive in /home and everything I put in home gets on that disk?
07:42<Merlin69>thanx
07:42<@weasel>N1ghtCrawler: that's the idea
07:43<@weasel>N1ghtCrawler: you mount filesystems in various places of the tree.
07:44<N1ghtCrawler>Ah, good.
07:44<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: don't use /home but a /home/subdir , classic are /mnt/subdir or /media/subdir
07:47<N1ghtCrawler>umh okay. Then i must think of a good strukture
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08:06<a101755>hi everybody
08:06<Merlin69>ola
08:06<Merlin69>any nows how to install a netwerkiso from USB
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08:09<witte>hello, what is the best way to cpoy the contents of one hard disk to another. I want to put the entire contents (operating system and all) to the new one
08:09<EmleyMoor>Is there a correct way to make xsnow part of my gnome session? It needs to load after the background really but I can't see how to do that
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08:10<witte>I have done this before with a dump/restore oneliner, but I don't remember which one, and maybe there are some better tools available?
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08:11<EmleyMoor>It looked just like Rudolph was snorting the snow off the top of one of my windows just then
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08:14<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to influence when programs start when you login - i.e. which side of the background loading it happens?
08:17<fxiny>witte: cp , dd partimage ? i use mirrodir as well
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08:17<fxiny>over ssh or via netcat
08:17<fxiny>ftp
08:17<fxiny>anything goes :))
08:18<witte>fxiny: it will be local, i just want to put in the disk as hdb
08:18<witte>fxiny: and is there no problem with /dev and /proc?
08:18<fxiny>no problems
08:19<fxiny>witte: i like mirrodir
08:19<witte>fxiny: i will have a look at it
08:19<witte>thanks
08:19<fxiny>partimage is ok
08:20<fxiny>witte: old dear cp will do
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08:21<EmleyMoor>xsnow has somehow produced a trewoofe the width of an xterm... but Rudolph has just scraped it off
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08:22<witte>fxiny: ok, that will be the easiest thing to do then, but someone once told me that something like "dump .... | restore ...." was cleaner?
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08:22<witte>fxiny: i do not remember why :-)
08:22<fxiny>witte: because dump skips unused space , like partimage
08:24<marcuss>bac
08:24<witte>fxiny: and what about cpio? that is something similar like cp, but different
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08:24<fxiny>witte:cpio ? iirc is about the hardlinks thing
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08:26<fxiny>witte: all my partitions are partimage compressed files . but for a quick clone i use mirrodir , cp is fine . dd if=/dev/hdx | gzip > image.gz will copy unused space so i don't like it too much
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08:27<fxiny>sometimes is ok a split like : dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip -c | split -b 2000m - img.gz , it depends
08:27<witte>fxiny: but i just want to get a small hd out of the machine and replace it with a bigger one
08:29<fxiny>witte: so mount it over , clone , check by booting it
08:29<fxiny>edit fstab ;)
08:29<witte>fxiny: ok I will just try, if it doesn't work, i'll be back later :-)
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08:32<fxiny>witte: sysrescuecd got all you need
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08:38<pmitros>I'm trying to compile Gnash under Debian/stable, and I get errors of the form "/usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so: undefined reference to `g_type_register_static_simple'". They're all in pango. I tried reinstalling pango, but to no avail. I've had the same error compiling a bunch of other programs, so I'm wondering if it's a known error, and if so, how to fix it.
08:38<pmitros>I've seen a bunch of posts of people having similar problems on the Internet, with mixed solutions, none of which worked here.
08:42<klando>pmitros, try "apt-get build-dep gnash"
08:44<klando>oh it is not in stable ... pmitros, one debian way is to get deb-src of the lenny, then "apt-get source -b gnash" (perhaps with the build-depends first)
08:44<klando>whci will make you a gnash package for you ;)
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08:46<klando>alsa?
08:46<ra9ftm>Hello All. I have trouble with VirualBox after upgrading it from 1.5.0 to 1.5.2 from VirualBox page using apt-get.
08:47<klando>humm dpkg can handle some asks ?
08:47<pmitros>I'm trying a varient on that. One sec.
08:47<pmitros>Okay. Packages installed. It is building now. I don't know if it restarted the build process, or if it is continuing past that point.
08:47<ra9ftm>The VirtualBox support driver which is running is from a different version of VirtualBox. You can correct this by stopping all running instances of VirtualBox and reinstalling the software.. VBox status code: -1912 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_VERSION_MISMATCH).
08:47<klando>ra9ftm, use aptitude
08:47<ra9ftm>The problem is like here http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=10319&sid=3f6b3108b95a7bf53f9211f7a3fa5500, but no answer...
08:47<pmitros>I can't do that directly. gnash in unstable depends on a bunch of newer versions of packages not in stable. The variant that I did was to apt-get source -build, see what it complains about, and install versions of those packages from stable.
08:48<klando>pmitros, you will probably have to build other package around the dependance of gnash
08:48<klando>do the same way, it is usually good enought
08:48<pmitros>It's now building, and I'm waiting to see if I get the same error.
08:49<klando>pmitros, yes, the build-dep stage is good for that, you can list then backport the package needed
08:49<klando>ah ok :)
08:49<pmitros>Builds take a while, sadly.
08:49<klando>:)
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08:50<ra9ftm>May be anybody have the same error with VirtualBox?
08:51<klando>http://search.debian.org really have 'people working on" ? it make months ... or years I see that info ....
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08:53<bu>hi
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08:57<pmitros>Nope. Same error with dependencies.
08:59<klando>ra9ftm, hope you have look at bug report ?
08:59<pmitros>I've gotten this before. Before, I gave up on the build process. I don't think it is a simple dependency problem.
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09:00<klando>pmitros, pardon, but just for now, why do you use stable and gnash ?!
09:00<klando>perhaps you need to check your apt/preferences and sources.list
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09:00<pmitros>I'm building gnash from source.
09:00<klando>pmitros, understood, but why put those things in a stable ?
09:00<ra9ftm>klando, I have a look in google only ...
09:01<pmitros>Why put what things in stable?
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09:02<pmitros>My source.list is pretty simple. It has debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ stable main non-free contrib, as well as debian.scribus.net/debian/ stable and debian.tagancha.org/debian/ stable, for scribus
09:03<pmitros>I have a deb-src for unstable or testing, as the situation seems fit.
09:03<klando>pmitros, gnash, if you need it in stable then you perhaps need other than stable debian....
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09:03<klando>but the lenny or sid in order to get more recent package
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09:04<klando>natively ..
09:04<pmitros>I don't believe so. I believe it ought to build with the versions of packages in stable, or if not, require a comperatively small number of additional packages in /usr/local (not so much for newer versions, but swfmill is not in stable at all)
09:04<klando>ok
09:05<pmitros>The version of pango, in particular, claims to be new enough for it.
09:05<pmitros>And the error implies it is a problem with pango.
09:07<pmitros>One place on the Internet claimed that it was a build problem. glib can be configured to either use or not use atk, and if it is configured not to use it, you get that error. I don't think that's exactly the problem, but probably something along those lines.
09:07<pmitros>In which case, I ought to be able to rebuild one or two packages to get it working. It's just difficult to know which ones.
09:07<pmitros>Or it might be something deeper.
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09:14<pmitros>Building the version from Debian unstable gives me the same set of errors, but in gstreamer.
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09:33[~]pmitros finds the problem -- a conflicting version of glib was in /usr/local
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09:43<pmitros>Installed, but it doesn't work :(
09:45<CloseCall>hi
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09:46<CloseCall>im installing cacti but i am having some problems, apperantly i dont have the php binary file
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09:46<CloseCall>anyone known how to get it via aptget without the apt-get of the entire lamp ?
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10:12<andreas>hi
10:13<andreas>where can i in the german ubuntu support channel?
10:14<witte>andreas: ask in #ubuntu
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10:15<andreas>thx
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10:53<RainCT>Hi
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10:54<Nevo>hi,All,IS there any body here to help me clarify one issue on my Etch?
10:54<bartm>Nevo: not if you don't tell us which issue you have :)
10:54<RainCT>anyone knows a good way to get the "packagename_upstreamversion-revision" string from a package being inside it's source folder, with bash (for a script)?
10:54<witte>!anyone
10:54<Nevo>yep,thanks
10:54<witte>aptitude anyone
10:54<aptitude>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, witte
10:54<Nevo>i"ll tell you what's issue
10:54<RainCT>xD
10:55<bartm>RainCT: pwd
10:55<Nevo>Whenever I connected to the internet, I can't open most KDE applications and some X-Window applications
10:55<RainCT>bartm: it hasn't the revision
10:55<bartm>RainCT: true
10:55<Nevo>Those applications were always sleeping on start-up
10:56<Nevo>That would not happen when I didn't connect to the internet
10:56<RainCT>the most close I could thing of is dpkg-parsechangelog | grep "$(basename `pwd` | cut -d "-" -f 1) (" and getting the version from there, but so if the user renaims the folder (which is quite possible) it might not work..
10:56<bartm>RainCT: have a look at the source code of "dch"
10:57<bartm>RainCT: but that's perl
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10:58<Nevo>Even I upgraded to kernel 2.6.23. Tis even weird that that didn't occur for gtk window,only for some X app and KDE apps
10:59<bartm>RainCT: "dch" seems to use dpkg-parsechangelog too, so...
10:59<RainCT>bartm: seems it used dpkg-parsechangelog too, and regex
10:59<bartm>:)
11:00<RainCT>so now the problem is, how can I execute a regex with bash and get the values? :P
11:01<bartm>RainCT: familiar with "sed" or "awk" ?
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11:01<RainCT>not really
11:01<RainCT>just sed s/a/b/ and not much more :P
11:01<bartm>RainCT: familiar with man pages ? :)
11:02<RainCT>heh
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11:03<bartm>RainCT: dpkg-parsechangelog |grep ^Version:|sed -e "s/^Version: //"
11:03<crispy>does anyone know why my serial ports are no longer detected after upgrading the kernel from 2.6.18.1 to 2.6.22.1?
11:04<bartm>RainCT: is that what you wanted ?
11:04<Ikarus>Hmz, running Debian installer in a chroot with qemu-mipsel causes some odd issues :P
11:04<bartm>crispy: sounds like worth submitting a bug for
11:04<bartm>Ikarus: define "odd" ? :)
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11:05<Nevo>Then anybody knows what my issue for ? Internet access caused X application or KDE application sleeping
11:06<Ikarus>bartm: it just skipped downloading because the network was configured while it hadn't configured it yet
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11:06<Ikarus>going to give it another whirl
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11:08<Ikarus>also it can't do virtual consoles and it had some trouble accepting that (duh, it is running in an xterm)
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11:11<julian>ROUTER WITH debian???
11:11<Maulkin>What?
11:11<lupine_>julian: you can have a router running debian, sure
11:11<lupine_>personally, I'd use something like AspisOS though
11:11<lupine_>depends on how much RAM you have available
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11:12<lupine_>Built a home router out of a WRAP box once; with 128MB RAM, it was somewhat over-specced :D
11:12<julian>
11:12<julian>Some need to learn how to configure page?
11:12<Ikarus>julian: sure
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11:13<Ikarus>julian: my router has 32 MB, more then enough, aslong as you don't expect miracles
11:13<Ikarus>(and ofcourse root on USB device)
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11:13<lupine_>Ikarus: I used an SD card
11:14<Ikarus>lupine_: not supported on this hardware sadly
11:14<lupine_>the entire thing had no moving parts - I was very impressed with it
11:14<lupine_>you can get IDE->CF adaptors
11:14<Ikarus>lupine_: yup, that is what got me to do this aswell
11:14<lupine_>then I sold it :(
11:14<Ikarus>lupine_: erm, I am turning a ASUS Wl-500g Premium into a Debian running router
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11:14<Ikarus>Which is slightly more insane
11:14<Ikarus>(that is also why I am messing with mipsel)
11:15<lupine_>how much ram does one of those have?
11:15<Ikarus>32MB
11:15<Ikarus>so doable
11:15<lupine_>yeah.. that is quite impressive
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11:15<lupine_>I would still go with a more stripped-down linux, though
11:16<lupine_>something uclibc-based would work wonders, space-wise
11:16<lupine_>aspis is nice for that, or maybe embedded gentoo
11:16<Ikarus>lupine_: I have 2 GB of rootfs and 2 GB of swap (because swap on flash burns out the flash), so enough space :)
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11:16<Ikarus>I want to run irssi and such on it aswell without issues
11:17<lupine>I'm thinking in-RAM space
11:17<Ikarus>so I am going for normal glibc
11:17<lupine>most things will compile fine on uclibc, but it sounds less like a router and more like an appliance platform to me
11:17<Ikarus>lupine: well, yeah
11:17<Ikarus>it is a home router
11:17<Ikarus>and to me it is the only PC I have on always
11:17<Ikarus>so I like it to run everything I need access to always
11:18<lupine>heh. I have my home pc on all the time
11:18<Ikarus>I normally have it on all the time, but it can't be relied on
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11:40<julian>hello?
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11:40<julian>j?
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11:41<JasonS>yes julian
11:41<julian>i need help
11:41<JasonS>!ask
11:41<JasonS>aptitude: ask
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11:41<aptitude>JasonS: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
11:41<JasonS>bah
11:41<JasonS>julian: best tell us the problem
11:41<julian>Debian want my work as a router on my network and DNS server
11:42<julian>!ask router
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11:43<JasonS>julian: you want to use a debian machine as a router and dns server?
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11:43<julian>yes
11:43<julian>I need?
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11:45<azeem>julian: did you try asking in #debian-es?
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11:46<JasonS>identity crisis ifvoid ?
11:47<cahoot>tailshrinking
11:47<fxiny>nickdwarfing
11:47<julian>yes
11:47<julian>:(
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11:48<cahoot>the irc equivalent of telomer loss
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11:49<ifvoid>JasonS: yeah, stupid nickserv was acting up
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11:56<jenipapo>hi all
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11:57<jenipapo>do you think its possible to get compiz work on lenny with ATI card WITHOUT proporietary drivers ?
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11:58<azeem>depends on which card
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11:59<lupine>Most of the older ones, sure
12:00<lupine>(9600 and older?)
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12:01<jenipapo>VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
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12:02<jenipapo>lupine: its a laptop
12:02<jenipapo>ATI 320 M
12:03<jenipapo>no
12:03<jenipapo>ATI Radeon Mobility
12:03<lupine>unsure, then. Your best bet would be to s/fglrx/ati/ (or radeon) in your xorg.conf, and restart X
12:03<lupine>if it loads, then you can almost certainly run compiz
12:04<jenipapo>lupine: fglrx is on a currunt debian packet ?
12:04<jenipapo>instead of vesa you mean ?
12:04<lupine>well, if you're using vesa now, then s/vesa/ati/
12:05<lupine>fglrx is the proprietary one; ati/radeon are the Free ones
12:05<jenipapo>I check
12:06<jenipapo>lupine: my driver is ati, sorry
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12:07<lupine>then you can probably load compiz right up
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12:09<jenipapo>youpi:~# compiz -- replace
12:09<jenipapo>GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering.
12:09<jenipapo>GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with indirect rendering. Aborting!
12:09<jenipapo>ot working :(
12:09<jenipapo>not
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12:10<ridha>I'm novice, can you help me to use Xchat ?
12:10<mu-tiger>o_O
12:10<lupine>ridha: it's just like multiplayer notepad
12:11<ridha>I try to install Gnumed in Debian
12:11<lupine>jenipapo: considerable "hmm". Does glxinfo say direct rendering is available?
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12:13<ridha>Is there someone who know How I can install Gnumed in Debian ?
12:14<jenipapo>lupine: it said yes, direct rendering: Yes
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12:15<lupine>Is GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap listed in the extensions? (might want to use grep) and is composite enabled?
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12:18<nol_>hello, how can i edit "places menu" ?
12:19<muep_>nol_: open nautilus, and edit bookmarks
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12:21<toad>i'm having some difficulty rebuilding the gstreamer bad plugins package for AAC (for personal use) .. i installed the packages it mentioned (from debian-multimedia), but i still get "checking for faacDecOpen in -lfaad... no". what do i need to try next?
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12:22<ColonelPanik>helios, You use Debian
12:24<witte>toad: did you install faad?
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12:25<toad>the package that's actually called faad ?
12:25<witte>toad: well, yes :-)
12:26<toad>doesn't help :|
12:26[~]toad doing FAAD=enable apt-get -b source gst-plugins-bad0.10 2>&1 | less
12:26<nol_>thanks muep_
12:27<toad>and it still doesn't work
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12:27<toad>there's a gstreamer0.8-faad package but i need 0.10 for second life
12:27<jenipapo>lupine: a lot of lines talk about texture :
12:27<jenipapo>GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
12:27<jenipapo> GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
12:27<jenipapo> GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar,
12:27<jenipapo> GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat,
12:27<jenipapo> GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix,
12:28<jenipapo>Is it what you ask ?
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12:28<toad>witte any further ideas?
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12:29[~]toad will give up otherwise
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12:29<witte>nope, sorry, don't use gstreamer stuff myself
12:30<morgan`>hello
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12:34<user4>hi all
12:35<user4>i have certain problem.
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12:40<witte>user4: if you do not tell which problem, nobody will ever help you
12:40<user4>I use debian and encryption mapper partitions. I solve change kernel version, but can not boot system.
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12:43<user4>excuse for its english
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12:46<user4>дай мне русский канал
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13:21<Pakalolo>hello people, i'm having some problems with apt-get
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13:22<Pakalolo>first i tried to write a new sources.list that way - apt-spy -a South-America -d stable
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13:23<Pakalolo>no errors - then, when i apt-get update, this happens: W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 4286909 5629349
13:23<user4> I use debian and encryption mapper partitions. I solve change kernel version, but can not boot system.
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13:28<user4>цукьцушаорцукароцукпгпуцкшп уклоп уцкпгуцк
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13:44<panv>help
13:44<panv>!fr
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13:55<EmleyMoor>Is there a way I can run a program as I start my session but only after the background has loaded? (Gnome)
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13:58<miqu>Hi! Is anybody having trouble in unstable after todays update. My second system won't start with any kernel i have.
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14:01<daniel>hello
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14:16<Nazcafan>hi
14:16<Sylar>hi
14:16<Nazcafan>aaah
14:16<Nazcafan>no not Sylar!
14:16<Sylar>?
14:16<Nazcafan>I am not special!
14:16<Sylar>=))
14:16<Nazcafan>ok
14:16<cccp>sylar?
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14:16<Sylar>yes
14:16<tilda140>Hmm, which panel is the one that is the task bar type thing?
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14:17<tilda140>Where the open windows will stay open down there.
14:17<tilda140>It's where they gow hen you minimize it.
14:17<Nazcafan>I can't get antialiasing with sazanami and kochi fonts
14:17<cccp>i need new heroes eps. and, did you have that nickname before the series? ;)
14:17<Sylar>cccp i have from season 2 ep 1 - 11
14:17<Sylar>and i didn't had this nickname before heroes :P
14:18<Sylar>but my nickname is actualy sadox... not sylar
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14:18<Nazcafan>should I report a bug to the sazanami and kochi packages or to the font rendering package ?
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14:21<tilda140>hhmph
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14:29<Merlin69>hello
14:29<panv>i have a problem... i cannot activate my wireless internet
14:29<Merlin69>can somone help me with debian on USB
14:29<panv>please this is very urgent..
14:30<nacs>Merlin69 whats the prob ?
14:30<lupine>tried reversing the polarity?
14:30<lupine>failing that, tell us what driver you're trying to use
14:30<lupine>and what card you have
14:30<Merlin69>Nacs can i go private?
14:30<nacs>sure
14:31<panv>after i upgraded my debian system, and after i installed the ipw2200, and ieee... and put the firmware...
14:31<panv>when i try iwconfig... my system just freeze...
14:32<lupine>panv: is this the ipw2200 provided in the debian repositories?
14:33<panv>i think so
14:33<panv>one moment
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14:33<panv>when i used it with debian sarge... it was working ok
14:33<panv>but after i upgraded to etch...
14:33<panv>my problems started to happen...
14:34<panv>and i am having cable connection only for today...
14:34<panv>starting from tomorow, i will only have wireless ...
14:34<panv>and i cannot operate it
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14:34<Killing_Frost>Season's Greetings.
14:34<panv>i brought the ipw... from http://ipw2200.sf.net
14:35<panv>lupine... should i get it from somewhere else ??
14:35<amphi>panv: wrong fw version perhaps?
14:35<panv>i wouldnt know... all i know is that it worked fine for the sarge system
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14:36<lupine>panv: The debian kernel comes with an ipw2200 driver already installed
14:36<lupine>by installing the one from sourceforge... well. Who knows what you've done
14:36<panv>what should i do now >?
14:37<lupine>try your best to remove what the sourceforge download installed; then reinstall your debian kernel
14:37<amphi>remove the sf one and reinstall the kernel package?
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14:37<lupine>if you still have the sf source tree around, then make uninstall might exist
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14:38<amphi>panv: also check that you have the firmware
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14:38<amphi>panv: ipw2200 worked fine for me in etch
14:38<lupine>I'm not really sure what to do about the ieee (network stack?) that you installed
14:38<lupine>maybe you can drag that out, too
14:38<panv>i can try make uninstall
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14:39<panv>let me try it now
14:39<panv>are you all sure the problem is not in iwconfig ?>
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14:39<panv>and if i use the ipw from the kernel... there wouldnt be an ieee >?????
14:40<panv>would it workv?>?
14:40<lupine>if you don't screw it around to begin with, it should just work
14:40<lupine>this is the 21st century, after all :D
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14:40<panv>i should reinstall my kernel also >?
14:40<amphi>panv: ieee is in the kernel IIRC
14:41<panv>please i need walkthroughs for my kernel installation
14:41<lupine>yes, to restore any kernel modules that got overwritten during the sf.ieee/ipw install
14:41<lupine>apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r`
14:41<lupine>it's not hard
14:41<tilda140>Panv... you can find that online man
14:41<panv>ok
14:41<panv>ok
14:41<panv>i understand...
14:41<tilda140>but these guys could probably link you to some instructions
14:41<panv>let me try again.. thanks for the advices...
14:42<tilda140>you have to use make-kpkg to recompile your kernel
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14:42<panv>i will use module assistant
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14:43<panv>if i just install the kernel all over... should it be enough ??? i mean should i ignore all what i did from http://ipw2200.sf.net
14:43<lupine>not a clue - I don't know what that did
14:43<panv>later.
14:43<panv>bye
14:43<lupine>but you don't need module-assistant, because ipw2200.ko is in linux-image
14:43<tilda140>oh ok
14:43<lupine>and you don't need make-kpkg, unless you've got a custom kernel
14:43<tilda140>I see.
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14:43<lupine>in which case, you're either daft or don't need any help
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14:44<tilda140>I got my widescreen flat panel to work on Deb with 915resolution
14:44<tilda140>pretty nice stuff
14:44<tilda140>1440x900
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14:51<Mukri>bonsoir a tous
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14:55<Pakalolo>is there a graphical wireless manager to gnome?
14:57<cahoot>Pakalolo: network-manager-gnome?
14:57<cahoot>i e nm-applet
14:58<Pakalolo>cahoot: i've alrealdy installed network-manager-gnome
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14:58<Pakalolo>but it does not show the wireless interfaces
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14:58<samuel>lut
14:59<cahoot>Pakalolo: you know you must comment out all interfaces besides lo in /etc/network/interfaces to get nm usable?
14:59<blal>Ok, bottom line, what is the current, best way to secure a wireless network? WPA2-PSK?
14:59<samuel>aug... english chan
14:59<samuel>bye T__T
14:59<cahoot>Pakalolo: and of course your wireless must be in working order
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15:00<tilda140>How do I implement a login manager?
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15:02<blal>tilda140 : Is this a new question? (I just joined and don't want to walk in the middle of a conversation.)
15:03<tilda140>yeah... the Gnome theme manager says my tar.gz is invalid
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15:03<tilda140>for any login managers I try to set up
15:04<blal>Are we talking about the program that prompts users for username/password to log into an X session? As in GDM?
15:04<tilda140>Oooh.
15:04<tilda140>I logged in as root, then ran gdmsetup
15:04<blal>tilda140 : Are we talking about the program that prompts users for username/password to log into an X session? As in GDM?
15:04<Pakalolo>cahoot: it's working perfectly
15:04<tilda140>I should be using that instead of the theme manager
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15:04<tilda140>yeahh
15:05<tilda140>I got it. :)
15:05<tilda140>I was trying to use the theme manager. haha
15:06<Pakalolo>cahoot: how do i configure nm to show my wireless connections?
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15:08<tilda140>I will probably start bugging you guys to help me with SSH tunneling here pretty soon too
15:08<tilda140>haha
15:08<tilda140>but not for a while.
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15:19<cahoot>Pakalolo: you know you must comment out all interfaces besides lo in /etc/network/interfaces to get nm usable?
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15:21<Pakalolo>yeah, that's made
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15:22<cahoot>Pakalolo: started nm-applet?
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15:23<Pakalolo>cahoot: nope - where do i start it?
15:24<cahoot>you *do* run gnome?
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15:25<cahoot>try add it to the toolbar
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15:29<blal>tilda140 : Block all incoming ports except 22 and configure your daemons to accept connections only from localhost. :-D
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15:30<tilda140>hmm...
15:30<shift>go way
15:30<tilda140>the trick will be, there is a firewall at my work
15:30<shift>go home
15:30<tilda140>where I need to get in too
15:30<shift>go po po land
15:30<tilda140>I'm allowed to tunnel in but I have to figure it out myself
15:30<shift>go poo poo land
15:30<tilda140>I'll BRB
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15:30<shift>quit
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15:32<mike>Many debian d/load mirrors do not work?
15:32<alex85>hi
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15:33<alex85>any woman interested in a latin guy
15:33<mike>i am looking for Lenny,,kde d/load
15:33<mike>link"
15:33<lupine>alex85: me?
15:33<lupine>13/f/cali :p
15:34<abrotman>alex85: this is not a social channel
15:34<blal>It looked like shift was being rude but it looks like he was trying to remember "/exit".
15:35<lupine>snigger
15:35<blal>"What was that command? Oh yeah. 'Go poo poo land.'"
15:35<alex85>sorry
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15:44<zjr>on debian where are mysql logs?
15:45<lupine>/var/log/mysql/*
15:46<zjr>thanks. i only have replication logs in there
15:47<zjr>i'm vaguely recalling errors and system stuff going some else like syslog
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15:48<_|Nix|_>Hi! I'm trying to use reprepro. How do I include the same source package into 3 different distributions?
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15:52<zjr>indeed, mysql seems to write errors to /var/log/syslog
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16:01<s32aph>hi all
16:02<s32aph>sudo hi *
16:02<s32aph>insmod -f answermyquestions.list
16:04<s32aph>anyone know how i can install anything with no dpkg no apt no rpm no aptitude 2.5 kernel?
16:04<s32aph>err 2.4
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16:06<blal>Kill the troll.
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16:16<Kilgor666>hi all
16:17<Kilgor666>exit
16:17<Kilgor666>exit
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16:23<kitano>Hi, I'm looking for some help installing Debian AMD64, I'm having problems when gdm starts, is this the right channel?
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16:38<kunicki>hey
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16:42<BmwSR>Hi guys
16:43<BmwSR>here i am looking for help again
16:43<BmwSR>lol
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16:45<BmwSR>how can i set my wireless to work?
16:45<BmwSR>i've installed ndiswrapper and drivers
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16:45<BmwSR>the wireless works
16:46<BmwSR>and if i run iwlist my network appears
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16:46<BmwSR>but i can't connect
16:46<BmwSR>:(
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16:48<[gloom]>is there any app to record video? I want to record a little video of compiz working.
16:48<MikkLinux>you can try
16:48<MikkLinux>recordmydesktop
16:48<[gloom]>ok
16:48<[gloom]>thx
16:48<MikkLinux>!recordmydesktop
16:48<MikkLinux>hmmm oh well
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16:50<BmwSR>how can i launch ndiswrapper GUI ?
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16:55<BmwSR>anyone?
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17:00<s32aph>more useless shit genra crap
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17:01<[gloom]>MikkLinux: works fine. A little app, that do exactly what is meant to do:D
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17:04<luis>hola diego
17:04<diego>Q tal
17:04<luis>bien y tu
17:04<diego>todos aqui usan .. linux?
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17:05<luis>ni idea, yo po lo menos si
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17:06<orioni>hi
17:06<orioni>can s.o tell me a pppoe concentrator for debian ?
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17:06<ikrepirdhu>hello
17:06<lory>fhfh
17:07<ikrepirdhu>?
17:07<lory>hello
17:07<ikrepirdhu>hi lory
17:07<lory>who are you
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17:07<ikrepirdhu>i nevers seen debian chatroom so empty
17:07<ikrepirdhu>anyway
17:07<ikrepirdhu>can u tell me a pppoe concentrator for debian etch ?
17:07<JasonS>channel and 301 isn't empty by any stretch
17:07<lory>lol
17:08<lory>schuss i shearch msn
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17:08<ikrepirdhu>helloo , can s.o help me
17:08<JasonS>ikrepirdhu: patience
17:08<ikrepirdhu>form msn use jabber
17:08<[gloom]>MikkLinux: I have the video recorded, but it is too big. Any tool to reduce the size/resolution?
17:08<ikrepirdhu>install jabber
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17:09<ikrepirdhu>omg
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17:09<ikrepirdhu>r u jasons going to help me ?
17:09<ikrepirdhu>or patience as always ?
17:09<ikrepirdhu>:)
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17:10<JasonS>ikrepirdhu: you having keyboard problems? yes patience is a must just because theres 301 nicks in doesnt mean they're here
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17:10<[gloom]>ikrepirdhu: what can we do for you?
17:10<ikrepirdhu>oh thanx
17:10<ikrepirdhu>gloom
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17:11<MikkLinux>no I don't really know how to reduce size and resolution
17:11<kotfare>to install on debian
17:11<MikkLinux>there might be a way to record just the window you want
17:11<[gloom]>yep, i will look at the man:D
17:11<[gloom]>thx
17:12<kotfare>gloom r u talking with me ?
17:12<MikkLinux>with me
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17:12<kotfare>ok
17:12<[gloom]>nop kotfare, but go on with your question
17:12<JasonS>man pick a nick all ready :)
17:13<JasonS>[gloom]: its the same as ikrepirdhu no suprise as theyre the same person
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17:13<kotfare>i need a pppoe concentrator
17:13<kotfare>to install on debian
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17:13<JasonS>aptitude: ppoe
17:13<aptitude>JasonS: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
17:13<JasonS>bit me aptitude
17:13<kotfare>is that an pppoe server or client ?
17:13<kotfare>cause my debian box is a router
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17:14<kotfare>and i need to install a pppoe server for my winxp clients
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17:14<kotkotkot>its me ikrepirdhu,kotoktkot,kotfrae
17:14<kotkotkot>:)
17:15<kotkotkot>anyone with pppoe experience ?
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17:16<JasonS>jesus enough all ready heh
17:16<kotkotkot>?
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17:17<kotkotkot>plssssssssssssss , im dying for a pppoe server
17:17<kotkotkot>:)
17:17<JasonS>try picking a nick/client and being patient
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17:17<MikkLinux>I've no ppoe experience
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17:18<kotkotkot>at least does s.o know a isp-about irc channel ?
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17:18<MikkLinux>eh which ISP?
17:19<kotkotkot>a irc channel that ppl talks about isp`s
17:19<kotkotkot>maybe there i can get some help
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17:20<[gloom]>I need to resize a 1280x800 ogg video to a 640x480 or smth like that. Anyone know a simple application?
17:20<MikkLinux>a jeeze.. now they have something called Geubuntu - care to guess what that is?
17:20<DanDare>how its the propper way to stop mysql daemon in debian? 'mysqld stop' wont work
17:21<JasonS>kotkotkot: or you could actually just try asking your question on one nick and wait
17:21<the-dude>DanDare: try to kill it with kill -1 $pid
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17:21<kotkotkotkot>my line drops
17:21<the-dude>DanDare: and check if there is any diskspace left
17:21<chealer>MikkLinux: I guess it's offtopic.
17:21<DanDare>the-dude, i dont want to just kill the proccess but stop mysql in the right way
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17:22<chealer>DanDare: # invoke-rc.d mysql stop
17:22<MikkLinux>who is your ISP?
17:22<the-dude>DanDare: yeah but you said that the normal way did not work
17:23<DanDare>the-dude, i know. But anyway i want to stop it the right way
17:23<the-dude>without dataloss?
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17:23<DanDare>chealer, im getting 'unknow initscript'
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17:24<DanDare>the-dude, sure
17:24<the-dude>DanDare: did you check diskspace?
17:24<chealer>DanDare: which Debian suite do you use?
17:24<DanDare>the-dude, i have lot of free disk space
17:24<DanDare>chealer, etch
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17:25<the-dude>what does /etc/init.d/mysql stop say ?
17:25<chealer>DanDare: is mysql-server-5.0 installed?
17:25<DanDare>when doing 'mysqld stop' it just returns me 'mysqld: Too many arguments (first extra is 'stop').'
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17:26<DanDare>chealer, i think i have mysql 4
17:26<DanDare>chealer, mysql is working i can use the databases and all
17:26<chealer>DanDare: if you use a MySQL version other than 5 on Debian 4, it's not supported.
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17:26<DanDare>god
17:27<the-dude>DanDare: check with mysql --version
17:27<DanDare>so why its in the etch DVD?
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17:27<chealer>DanDare: MySQL 4 isn't in any etch DVD.
17:27<DanDare>godamn
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17:27<DanDare>sorry guy im running version 5
17:27<DanDare>*guys
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17:29<DanDare>the-dude, your method worked
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17:30<klando>hello, the hard disk block number start at 0 or 1 ? (/sys/block/sda/sda1/start)
17:30<the-dude>DanDare: which one ?
17:30<DanDare>the-dude, /etc/init.d/mysql stop
17:31<DanDare>so this is right way i suppose, thanks :)
17:31<the-dude>cool :)
17:31<DanDare>still i can understand why 'mysqld stop' wont work
17:32<DanDare>maybe isnt the right way to do the thing :p
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17:33<klando>0
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17:33<the-dude>DanDare: see mysqld --help
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17:35<DanDare>seens that is used just to start mysql not stop
17:36<DanDare>wait, i dont known
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17:50<WhyACow>my etch system is rebooting every hour for some reason, where do i look to see what is causing it?
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17:51<cccp>hrm. I'm just trying to install a debian etch remotely for a friend, but i got trouble with fonts for X
17:52<cccp>when i try to install a font or font package
17:52<cccp>i get warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory
17:52<cccp>if i create that dir and try to install the font again, i get the same message and the dir is deleted
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17:52<themill>cccp: that's a warning you can ignore.
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17:52<cccp>hrm
17:53<cccp>it seems to me as if it didnt install the font
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17:53<gravity>cccp: Don't worry about that directory
17:53<gravity>cccp: In etch, those fonts go to /usr/share/fonts
17:53<cccp>ooh
17:53<cccp>yeah, i just found out
17:53<cccp>using dpkg -L
17:53<cccp>thanks
17:53<gravity>cccp: We kept that directory in xorg.conf for backwards compat
17:53<gravity>No problem
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17:57<DanDare>now this is weird... im getting '/tmp/zmanqGngKI:835: warning [p 7, 6.0i, div `3tbd3,1', 0.2i]: can't break line' while doing some mapages retrieves. Im using remote terminal over ssh. Someone know what this means? I never experienced this before.
17:58<DanDare>*manpages
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17:58<DanDare>its happening when using manpages for the mysqld package only,.. until now at least
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18:00<themill>DanDare: any specific man page? and is this with etch?
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18:00<DanDare>themill, in etch doing 'man mysqldump' and 'myslqd'
18:01<themill>br/pt or en man page?
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18:01<DanDare>im having maybe some data corruption?
18:01<DanDare>themil, en
18:02<DanDare>themill, my locale is everything seted to "C"
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18:02<themill>DanDare: Do you see the man page ok? It's probably just a pagination issue... what's $COLUMNS?
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18:03<DanDare>themill, there´s lost information in the man page when this happens
18:03<DanDare>themill, how to check about $COLUMNS ?
18:03<themill>DanDare: the mysqld manpage has very little information to begin with so don't fret too much.
18:03<themill>echo $COLUMNS
18:04<DanDare>themil, it says 80
18:05<DanDare>themil, whgen doing 'man mysqld' i cant read about anything... its all about lot of that errors... Im afraid of having data corruption :(
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18:14<themill>DanDare: what happens if you manually set the page width of the man page: MANWIDTH=60 man mysqld
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18:15<sidd>hello
18:15<DanDare>themill, same **it
18:16<DanDare>lot of 'cant break line'
18:16<themill>:(
18:16<themill>DanDare: does the man page itself look fine in /usr/share/man/man8/mysqld.8.gz ?
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18:17<DanDare>themil, i dunno how to open it directly
18:17<themill>zless
18:17<themill>(that's like gunzip and less rolled into one)
18:18<sidd>anybody know how to install drivers for video cards
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18:18<themill>DanDare: for etch, it should look like this: http://rafb.net/p/IsqjIU12.html
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18:18<themill>sidd: what video card/chipset and are you using etch (i.e debian stable)?
18:18<DanDare>themil, it looks ok but there´s a lot of aditional lines probably manpages format sequences
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18:20<klaes>sidd, i should believe that there are guides for linux also on the manufacturers websites, so go there, find drivers/support thing for your card, and you should be able to find it :)
18:20<DanDare>themill, by using zless i have this: http://rafb.net/p/1XSDln69.html what looks different than one you have posted
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18:21<sidd>geforce 5500 card and yes I'm using debian stable
18:21<themill>DanDare: are you sure you're running etch?
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18:22<themill>DanDare: ahh... my bad... what I pasted is from a backport...
18:22<sidd>eVGA GeForce FX 5500- PCI, Low Profile 128p1n320lx
18:22<DanDare>themill, i would being surprised if not
18:23<themill>DanDare: I just checked on an etch box and the first 22 lines look the same
18:23<klaes>sidd, http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us that should be enough for you :)
18:23<DanDare>themill, the same of your post?
18:23<themill>DanDare: no same as yours
18:23<themill>klaes: sidd: please do not use the nvidia installer
18:24<DanDare>themill, so the file looks ok... at least its first lines
18:24<sidd>how do I install then?
18:24<themill>aptitude: tell sidd about nvidia
18:24<DanDare>there´s someway to reinstall just the mysql manpage files without messing with the actual configuration and all?
18:24<klaes>themill, and why is that?
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18:25<themill>& why not nvidia-installer
18:25<themill>aptitude: why not nvidia-installer
18:25<aptitude>We don't tell you not to use the installer from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break horribly, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it right the first time - ask me about <ngd>.
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18:25<WhyACow>hi, how do i get the apt-get autoremove operation to be available?
18:25<themill>WhyACow: are you running etch?
18:26<WhyACow>yeah
18:26<themill>WhyACow: apt-get in etch doesn't have that feature. Use aptitude or debophan/debfoster
18:27<klaes>themill, sidd, aptitude, well, i have had my problems over time with it, i just thought that was because i was running unstable... anyhow, it still works for me... but, just in case, what is the debian way?
18:27<themill>aptitude: tell klaes about nvidia
18:29<klaes>themill, sorry to pester, but how do you use the aptitude service thing, or where can i see how?
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18:31<themill>klaes: normally the bot is called dpkg, but dpkg is having some connection troubles at the moment, so aptitude is a backup bot that is helping out. http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot
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18:33<klaes>themill, kk, thx! btw, i found a nice description of why to use debian way :P gonna change now i think, heh
18:34<themill>klaes: using the debian way is always better. dpkg/apt/aptitude are such powerful tools, and are probably the reason why you're using debian not some other distro. Why fight against them?
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18:38<klaes>themill, when i installed nvidia drivers first, i wasnt very used to debian or linux at all and it took me long enough to get it to work, at that point, i hadnt realized how it could be done the debian way, so I just did what I was used to and went for www.nvidia.com which of course it the bad way to do it :P
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18:42<themill>DanDare: You could try to see if it is the cache of the formatted man page (the so-called cat file) that is screwed up using: man -l /usr/share/man/man8/mysqld.8.gz
18:42[~]themill hands nirvanaswami a /
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18:46<nirvanaswami>JOIN LINUX
18:46<nirvanaswami>JOIN ADUNANZA
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18:46<themill>nirvanaswami: /join adunanza
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18:46<nirvanaswami>grz
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18:51<WhyACow>alright my linux box is rebooting every hour, on the hour....
18:52<WhyACow>where do i look to see what is causing this?
18:52<abrotman>/var/log/
18:53<WhyACow>and then?
18:55<themill>look around in syslog kern.log daemon.log ...
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19:03<WhyACow>i dunno what im looking at :/
19:05<themill>WhyACow: anything that might explain why it rebooted. Look through the logs for the time when it suddenly decided to shutdown. See if it shutdown or if it crashed.
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19:10<WhyACow>i think its cron.....and i dont know how to use it :/ time for a crash course
19:11<themill>aptitude: cron tutorial
19:11<aptitude>hmm... cron tutorial is at http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html but use the Debian init script (/etc/init.d/cron) rather than running cron from the command line.
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19:15<nirmalh>while doing a goodbyemicrosoft debian install powerfailed and i could reinstall it some how but my root password is not accepted nor my usr account
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19:16<cccp>nirmalh: boot with init=/bin/sh kernel parameter
19:16<cccp>mount -o remount,rw /
19:16<cccp>passwd
19:16<cccp>passwd username
19:16<cccp>then reboot
19:16<nirmalh>thanks lemme try
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19:21<nirmalh>kernel parameter=2.6.18
19:22<cccp>that is the kernel version
19:22<cccp>append init=/bin/sh to the kernel options
19:22<cccp>are you using grub?
19:22<cccp>then press "e"
19:22<nirmalh>or the same string yes
19:24<cccp>?
19:24<nirmalh>sorry
19:24<cccp>however, im gone now
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19:24<nirmalh>i am using grub
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19:31<s32aph>?
19:31[~]s32aph is happy
19:32<ColonelPanik>The Colonel is sad
19:32[~]s32aph can finally send to chan.. (x x)>
19:32<ColonelPanik>JAVA installed, doesn't work
19:32<ColonelPanik>s32
19:32<ColonelPanik>s32aph, congrats
19:33<s32aph>does archive mirror = iso mirror?
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19:37<ColonelPanik>s32aph, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
19:37<ColonelPanik>yes
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19:40<DanDare>themill, getting same issues while trying 'man -l /usr/share/man/man8/mysqld.8.gz'
19:45<s32aph>any recommended gui for debian?
19:45<s32aph>lemme rephrase..
19:46<s32aph>any recommended mod for Linux localhost 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Fri Jun 1 00:07:22 UTC 2007 i586 BNU/Linux?
19:46<s32aph>GNU*
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19:59<drakode>for install driver ati, view http://www.linux.melkor.cl in this web siti i view a guie
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20:08<s32aph>anyone know why my pcmcia card led is off?
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20:12<K4k-laptop>no drivers?
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20:13<fenix>ola
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20:32<Killing_Frost>Keep well.
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20:39<sidd>how do I get to the software channel?
20:40<sidd>when I am about to install software a messege pops up saying it is recomended to install at the software channel
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20:53<nirmalh>my kernel parameter is root=/dev/hda3 ro and i am unable to boot into just done goodbyemicrosoft system
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20:55<nirmalh>i can init shell but it says password could not be authunticated due to lock, there is a sidux residing in my system
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21:04<WhyACow>anyone aware of a widespread problem of linux rebooting (but not really rebooting) on an hourly or daily basis?
21:05<s32aph>anyone got an obscure question im allowed to answer?
21:06<WhyACow>:P
21:06<s32aph>maybe bios power saving feature?
21:06<WhyACow>still trying to figure out why my machine appears to be rebooting hourly, been reading forums and its a widespread problem but cant locate the solution atm
21:07<WhyACow>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36504
21:07<s32aph>can you illustrate what you mean by "appears"?
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21:08<WhyACow>ssh sessions shutdown, vnc session shuts down
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21:08<WhyACow>uptime resets
21:08<WhyACow>i dont sit at the machine itself so i dont know, the forums are indicating otherwise :/
21:08<s32aph>checking..
21:10<s32aph>well the log shows on signal 15, so i would grep for signal 15 and find out where the call originates
21:10<WhyACow>grep it from where?
21:11<s32aph>boot/ ?
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21:11<s32aph>gotta be part of the master loading if it can unload i would think..
21:11<s32aph>helpful??
21:12<WhyACow>not understanding :/
21:12<s32aph>well id understand this much..
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21:12<s32aph>find out in your log aka forum post egrep signal|restart
21:12<s32aph>find out what signal is next to restart
21:13<s32aph>then egrep for that signal, see if any process sent that signal
21:13<s32aph>find the process, find why you reboot
21:13<s32aph>yesno? maybe?
21:13<s32aph>another post also suggests that its only the deamon that is being restarted
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21:14<s32aph>"Your machines aren't restarting, merely the syslogd service is (in order to free up the logs for rotation, and start afresh).
21:14<s32aph>"
21:14<s32aph>huzzazh?
21:15<WhyACow>but why does uptime reset?
21:15<sidd>when I try and shut down my system it restarts in about 30 seconds! why?
21:15<s32aph>cus its a system log..
21:15<dx>WhyACow; it boots
21:15<s32aph>syslogs are based on uptime
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21:15<WhyACow>vice versa you mean?
21:16<WhyACow>so how do i and can i stop this syslogd?
21:16<s32aph>sidd: maybe your kernel has restart function listed as shutdown alias?
21:16<s32aph>whyacow: check .conf?
21:16<WhyACow>i checked cron and mines going hourly, but syslogd is in cron.daily
21:16<s32aph>explains a bit..
21:17<sidd>so you mean my shutdown button is restart and restart button is shutdown?
21:17<sidd>lol
21:17<s32aph>well, 1 for 2
21:18<s32aph>sidd: yes and no, shutdown = restart yes, restart = shutdown no
21:18<s32aph>whyacow: id say either clear your logs or make your cache bigger, syslogd seems by design to restart when it needs to clear the log space
21:18<s32aph>seems like a safety more than an 'inconvienient setting'
21:20<s32aph>sidd: are you in a gui? or are you doing $ shutdown?
21:21<sidd>still here
21:21<s32aph>no i mean when you go to shutdown are you using a menu in a gui or are you passing the command shutdown from a shell?
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21:22<dx>How can I make totem just NEVER START EVER?
21:22<s32aph>WoW?
21:22<s32aph>hahahaah
21:22<sidd>using the menu
21:22<s32aph>id check to see what command the menu is passing
21:23<WhyACow>s32aph: its restarting every hour on the hour and its not in cron.daily
21:23<s32aph>i have to /part, quiet time here
21:23<s32aph>whyacow: gotta go, but id check the size of your logs and see if its not restarting based on your "log cache" overflow, to much data, has to clear, to many logs uploaded on boot. maybe check in tomorrow?
21:24<s32aph>take care yall
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21:25<nirmalh>after installing goodbyemicrosoft, i found my kernel parameter as root=/dev/hda3 ro how can i remove the lock
21:25<dx>sidd; the menu in totem is graphical
21:25<dx>no options
21:26<nirmalh>i am unable to login to my root or user password
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21:46<jbx23>hello
21:47<jbx23>i'm a newb to linux and just installed debian on a laptop.
21:47<jbx23>the laptop uses a linksys pcmcia card- wpc11 v4.
21:47<jbx23>can anyone help me to configure it, please.
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21:49<betopena>jbx23, what's your doubt?
21:50<jbx23>the pcmcia card doesn't work
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21:51<WhyACow>!nvidia
21:51<darklos>waz
21:51<jbx23>if i do lspci it shows the card as - 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconducter Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC(rev 20)
21:52<jbx23>but the light on the card doesn't flicker it just stays green
21:52<gsimmons>aptitude: tell jbx23 about wpc11v4
21:52<jbx23>and in iwconfig it says there are no wireless extensions
21:53<gsimmons>jbx23: You'll need to compile and install the rtl-wifi driver, before being able to operate your wireless device.
21:53<jbx23>i've been trying
21:53<jbx23>but all the pages i've got to are outdated
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21:53<jbx23>and the downloads aren't there or won't work
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21:55<jbx23>i've been to that page before
21:55<jbx23>i wasn't sure how to download the driver.
21:55<gsimmons>jbx23: It's done via subversion (a source code revision control system). The rtl-wifi wiki instructions are somewhat outdated. I'll provide a paste with the necessary commands.
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21:56<jbx23>i got up to the point svn co https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi
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21:56<jbx23>but it just listed all the files in the directory
21:56<jbx23>wasn't too detailed on what to do after that
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21:57<jbx23>thank you gsimmons
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21:58<me>can someone help me with compiling the ipwraw driver?
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22:01<gsimmons>jbx23: See <http://paste.debian.net/44550>, procedure is for Etch/2.6.18. Note that the ieee80211 modules in your existing kernel image are replaced. Let me know if you have any questions.
22:02<me>thanks!
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22:04<me>and this will work for my 3945 card?
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22:05<jbx23>thank you gsimmon
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22:13<jbx23>i'm having a problem
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22:14<jbx23>when i get to make it says that /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build no such file or directory. Stop
22:14<jbx23>erro 2
22:14<jbx23>error 2
22:16<gsimmons>jbx23: Install the 'linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686' package, then try again.
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22:18<gsimmons>jbx23: No private messages, please. Install this package using a package management utility (eg. aptitude, apt-get, synaptic, etc).
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22:20<jbx23>the bigmem one or normal?
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22:24<Gekz>I'm trying to use cdebootstrap to bootstrap a sid build environment
22:24<Gekz>O: unable to make backup link of `./sbin/start-stop-daemon' before installing new version: Function not implemented
22:25<Gekz>O: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
22:25<Gekz>it can't make hard links, why?
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22:26<jbx23>i installed the headers and its still doing it
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22:29<gsimmons>jbx23: Please provide the complete error output you're receiving.
22:29<gsimmons>aptitude: paste
22:29<aptitude>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
22:29<mu-tiger>hm
22:30<jbx23>i restarted it
22:30<jbx23>seeing if it would do anything
22:30<mu-tiger>/etc/init.d/sshd stop/start/restart/whatever?
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22:31<mu-tiger>bc zsh is trying to correct it
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22:32<jbx23>make -c /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build M=/home/blah/rtl-wifi modules
22:32<jbx23>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-50686/build no such file or directory. stop
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22:32<jbx23>make: *** [modules] error 2
22:33<Gekz>tar: ./bin/uncompress: Cannot hard link to `./bin/gunzip': Function not implemented
22:33<Gekz>more errors like that
22:33<mu-tiger>heh
22:33<mu-tiger>got it
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22:33<mu-tiger>my bad
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22:35<gsimmons>jbx23: Did you install the 'linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686' package?
22:35<jbx23>yes
22:35<jbx23>the bigmem one
22:35<jbx23>should i install the other one too?
22:35<gsimmons>jbx23: Wrong package. Install the one which was requested.
22:35<jbx23>oh oops
22:35<jbx23>read the description of the other one and thought it would fit mine better
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22:38<jbx23>that worked
22:40<CyberMatt>Ok There is an rfp on a package i itped under a different name do i merge or close
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22:42<sally>i am doing some gtk programming in Debian, but i need run gtk on cygwin. how can i do?
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22:43<jbx23>what does the 'uname mean in the paste code?
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22:44<luph_nezza>hy
22:44<luph_nezza>hy
22:45<luph_nezza>hy
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22:46<sally>i search google and other way, but i'm fail in it
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22:48<gsimmons>jbx23: See the uname man page ("man uname"). It's used in the paste to acquire the value of your kernel release (in your case it's '2.6.18-5-686').
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22:53<jbx23># cp ieee80211/ieee80211*ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ieee80211/ brings up the error- cp: target '/lib/modules/uname -r/kernel/net/ieee80211/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
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23:04<jbx23>modprobe r8180 brings FATAL: Module r8180 not found.
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23:14<dli>jbx23, you didn't install it
23:14<dli>jbx23, or, you forgot depmod
23:15<jbx23>some of the cp commands didn't work
23:15<jbx23>so i'm not sure what to do
23:16<dli>follow the howto
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23:17<jbx23>which
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23:22<jbx23>woooo got it
23:22<jbx23>thank you very much gsimmons and dli
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23:24<jred184>can anyone help with installing ipwraw-ng?
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23:28<jred184>when I try to compile, i get
23:28<jred184>make[2]: *** [/usr/src/ipwraw-ng/ipwraw.o] Error 1
23:28<jred184>make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/ipwraw-ng] Error 2
23:28<jred184>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686'
23:28<jred184>make: *** [modules] Error 2
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23:29<dli>jred184, always follow a howto first, then, pastebin your command line and the FIRST error message
23:30<jred184>i tried the how-to, but when I run "make" i get the errors listed above
23:30<jred184>sorry
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23:37<JJCale>Hi. I'm testing xchat. Can I please send a file to someone in order to see if I can dcc send files ?
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23:44<brunoskrebs>hello
23:44<jello>!greet brunoskrebs
23:45<brunoskrebs>can anyone help me with a samba error?
23:45<brunoskrebs>I have a debian installed in another machine in my lan
23:45<brunoskrebs>and I am trying to mount
23:45<brunoskrebs>a folder from that machine
23:46<brunoskrebs>in my ubuntu
23:46<brunoskrebs>but gives me a error
23:46<brunoskrebs>tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
23:47<brunoskrebs>this is the command that I type
23:47<brunoskrebs>sudo mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.117/shares /mnt/share
23:47<brunoskrebs>anyone please?
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23:48<erich_>Hey guys, is there a way to have folder file synchronization between windows and linux over a network?
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23:49<brunoskrebs>yes
23:49<brunoskrebs>with samba
23:49<brunoskrebs>heheheheheh
23:49<twb>I'm curious -- can you install Debian directly to a firewire / scsi disk in "target mode"?
23:50<erich_>How?
23:52<Supaplex>rsync
23:53<erich_>Cheers mate, I'll check into it
23:53<Supaplex>erich_: good luck with file case :)
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23:53<brunoskrebs>nobody knows what do I have to do?
23:54<Supaplex>brunoskrebs: anything in the syslogs?
23:54<Supaplex>brunoskrebs: that includes the samba logs to. you might need authentication. why not use nfs from unix to unix systems?
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23:55<brunoskrebs>Supaplex, I dont know where are those syslogs :(
23:56<brunoskrebs>yeah Im a noob by the way
23:56<Supaplex>syslogs are in /var/log/
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23:56<Supaplex>you might need authentication to
23:57<brunoskrebs>I didnt find any log inside /var/log/samba
23:57<Supaplex>on the server?
23:58<brunoskrebs>ohh
23:58<brunoskrebs>hehehheh
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23:58<brunoskrebs>I found one
23:58<brunoskrebs>log.bruno-laptop
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