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---Logopened Tue Dec 11 00:00:52 2007
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00:30<sidd>how do I configure my hardware?
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00:30<sidd>I am trying to get my graphics card going here
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00:31<kmap>sidd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and choose your graphics card, monitor details there.
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00:46<sidd>where do you go to set up the brightness and all that other stuff
00:47<kmap>sidd: Monitor settings?
00:48<kmap>sidd: Not sure about that, though I use the knobs on my monitor! ;-)
00:48<sidd>yeah thats what i use but when I restart I have to do the adjustments again
00:49<kmap>sidd: Sorry, can't help you on this one.
00:49<sidd>ok thanks
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01:13<noboody>anybody know why the usb-storage process is running at all? the only usb devices i have are a keyboard and mouse
01:13<noboody>it seems to be working, since it's popping up on top and my computers grunting
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01:15<noboody>it's that and hald-addon storage, they just checking every couple seconds for a drive or what?
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01:50<k-man_>hi guys
01:51<k-man_>i want to make a wireless link between 2 networks... what sort of hardware should I look for?
01:51<k-man_>to do the wireless link part that is
01:52<k-man_>is that directed at me?
01:53<k-man_>ill have a look
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02:17<simonrvn>ravenbird: test
02:18<ravenbird>No, simonrvn, you're not online any more.
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03:05<saajan>hello ppl
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03:24<Sescevok>i am having so much fun with debian etch
03:25<saajan>congratulations !
03:25<Sescevok>yeap.....etch, gnome, beryl, virtualbox, cool black theme. THis is the best
03:26<Supaplex>stays crunchy in milk to
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03:26<Supaplex>eh wait...
03:26<saajan>Yes gnome is a lightweight window manager
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03:27<saajan>than KDE
03:27<Sescevok>i dont like KDE
03:27<Supaplex>!start a wm war
03:27<dpkg>fluxbox makes me vomit!
03:27<Sescevok>fluxbox is great
03:27<saajan>recently i installed BlackBox :-)
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03:28<Sescevok>i always liked fluxbox over blackbox
03:29<saajan>imagine: if you can`t to choose between KDE & Gnome.
03:29<Sescevok>KDE = no good
03:29<Sescevok>gnome = awesome
03:29<saajan>which version of Gnome do u use ?
03:30<Supaplex>the brown one
03:30<Sescevok>2.14 the one installed by default with etch
03:30<saajan>i heard - newest version is buggy
03:30<Sescevok>thats why i run debian
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03:31<Sescevok>debian = stable
03:31<Sescevok>i have run debian for years now
03:31<Supaplex>unless it's lenny or sid :)
03:31<saajan>yeah.. im in love in etch
03:31<Sescevok>etch is great
03:31<Supaplex>and Imma kill this RODENT
03:31<Sescevok>sarge was great i cant really say anything
03:31<saajan>my previous Debian was Sarge
03:32<saajan>unofficial dostro - but works well
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03:32<Sescevok>sarge was awesome....i loved that release
03:32<mike>i am running Lenny :)
03:32<Supaplex>oh yea, the first release of debian, with doc packages. gotcha.
03:32<Sescevok>im going to bed
03:33<Sescevok>Supaplex: your retarded
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03:33<Sescevok>Supaplex: bye
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03:33<Supaplex>Sescevok: thanks for that execellent argument. you win!
03:34<Supaplex>not :P
03:34<Sescevok>Supaplex: knew i would
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03:35<Supaplex>ahh a /quitter. oh well.
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03:35<SpeedyG>Supaplex: didnt know you've got a retard ;)
03:35<saajan>what irc client do u use now ?
03:36<Supaplex>hehe :P
03:36<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
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03:37<saajan>Oh thanks - i`ll visit
03:37<SpeedyG>irssi rocks! :)
03:37<vigneswari>hi all
03:37<saajan>really ?? !!!! :-) I`ll try it
03:38<SpeedyG>hi vigneswari
03:38<SpeedyG>saajan: yeah:)
03:38<vigneswari>tasksel pkg is not installing the task. it just exiting from screen with progress bar.not showing any error
03:38<vigneswari>is there any bug with this pkg or am i missing anything
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03:40<vigneswari>using debian lenny
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03:42<vigneswari>any ideas?
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03:43<wboss>vigneswari, its better to throw this doubt in debian-boot
03:43<vigneswari>wboss, ok thanks
03:43<wboss>they might give you a better idea
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03:44<chuxxsss>anyone no how to fix synaptic package manager after a crash
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03:44<suiside>what exactly is the problem?
03:45<chuxxsss>come up with dpkg --config -a
03:45<Supaplex>time to call geico?
03:45[~]Supaplex ducks
03:45<chuxxsss>Hi I was downloading packs and I had a crash
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03:47<wboss>Is there an active channel for all the mailing lists available in debian..?
03:47<twinsen>i'm using wget to read an html file... i want wget to print the contents to screen, rather than to file, but according to the wget menaul there is no option to do this... does linux have a method around this?
03:47<chuxxsss>suiside the synaptic package manage crash and now it comes up with dpkg --config -a
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03:48<wboss>am trying for a proper cahnnel for openoffice development in debian..can anybody guide me with a proper channel..?
03:50<sep>wboss, #debian-oo iirc
03:50<wboss>thanks sep
03:50<chuxxsss>think I have workeds it out
03:50<suiside>chuxxsss: so run it
03:51<chuxxsss>thank am now
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03:51<Supaplex>twinsen: -O - maybe? failing that, the GET lwp-agent alias.
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03:52<chuxxsss>why are the packs for some of this stuff so poorly set out KDE for one
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03:54<chuxxsss>because I am new to debian I not alway sure which packs are the ones to set up say KDE to work from the log in is there a site I could look at
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03:55<lindenle>anyone know why bash is print the command I run into the loop I am running?
03:55<blarson>twinsen: you could output to /dev/stdout
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03:58<simonrvn>chuxxsss: yeh, log in as root, run aptitude and do / (search) and type in kde
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03:58<suiside>chuxxsss: you propably want the kde metapackage, might be worth checking out as well, also you could use som punctuation =P
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03:59<Supaplex>yea, it's almost as bad as excessive enter.
03:59<simonrvn>run-on sentences...
04:00[~]Supaplex shudders
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04:01<cievo>all...I have a question. When I have planned tasks in cron to start at 10:00pm. And my cron.daily is scheduled to 02:25am...
04:01<cievo>all...when tasks from 10:00pm take very long time (they would finis after 02:25am)...Will cron stop those tasks???
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04:02<simonrvn>cron doesn't stop anything, the job finishes when it exits
04:03<cievo>simonrvn: and when cron is restarted?
04:03<simonrvn>why would that matter? it won't run reboot jobs, that's all
04:03<Supaplex>when you ask it to, or when you .. switch run levels?
04:03<simonrvn>man cron would be good for you
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04:05<Supaplex>make bed sleep # ciao. :-D
04:05<cievo>simonrvn: there are not such info
04:05<Supaplex>try apropos cron
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04:06<simonrvn>info cron
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04:06<simonrvn>Supaplex: ni'ni
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04:06<cievo>simonrvn: there is no answer for my question, that's why I came here :)
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04:08<simonrvn>uh, we just did...
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04:09<cievo>So you are saying that cron tasks will finish and it doesn't matter if cron is restarted or some cron.daily starts...
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04:24<Med>Hi all. I have a question: I recently bought my hobby config to put it into a server hosting company. It's an Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 with 8G DDR2. Which kernel do you recommend for it, to "see" (to be able to use) all of the installed ram ? I know WinXP-32bit has some issues with RAM, what about Linux standard kernels ? (testing)
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04:29<vigneswari>anybody here is having idea on tasksel
04:29<vigneswari>i installed tasksel from debian lenny.
04:29<vigneswari>it is not installing task
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04:38<vigneswari> it just exiting from screen with progress bar.not showing any error
04:38<vigneswari>i dont know where i am wrong?
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04:48<gsimmons>Med: You can use either the bigmem (i386 arch) or amd64 kernel images.
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04:53<hachi>I've got a debian machine here that gets through the initrd step of 'Loading MD modules' and then reboots rather unexpectedly
04:53<Med>gsimmons : AMD64 images for a Intel Core2 ?
04:53<hachi>how can I diagnose an initrd problem? I've tried using every kernel I have on the machine (about 8 or so) and setting single or init=/bin/bash isnt' helping
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04:58<gsimmons>Med: Despite the name, the AMD64 kernel supports both x86-64 (AMD64) and EM64T (Intel 64) instruction sets.
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05:04<eamelink>I'm a bit puzzled. I try to build a ppp_mppe module for my kernel (apt-gotten linux-source-2.6.22 on sid), but I can't seem to find the right module. Not in the menuconfig menu nor in the .config file (should be CONFIG_PPP_MPPE)
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05:05<eamelink>While the standard kernels like 2.6.22-2-686 do have a ppp_mppe.ko in their modules dir
05:06<hachi>okay, I've unplugged all MD arrays on this machine
05:06<hachi>debian initrd is STILL silently rebooting after loading the md modules
05:06<hachi>how do I kick debian in the nuts to make it give me ANYthing to fix this problem?
05:08<lam64>hi all i am on goodbyms system
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05:15<hachi>anyone know if there are any options I can pass through the kernel to the initrd to try and help me?
05:15<gsimmons>!initramfs debug
05:15<dpkg>hmm... initramfsdebug is
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05:17<niku>this is completely off topic, but does anyone know if something weird happened to My nick is unregistered, channels seem to be oddly empty.... it's weird.
05:17<niku>I haven't been here in a while.
05:18<hachi>this isn't freenode, first off
05:18<hachi>and freenode is fine for me
05:18<hachi>I'm on... a boatload of channels on it
05:19<niku>oy. misstyped.
05:19<niku>ok. cool, that was really disorienting. :)
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05:20<hachi>gsimmons: I can't get to the rescue shell via that method... mounting the root fs seems to be a prior step to loading the MD modules
05:20<hachi>init=/bin/bash also doesn't give me a shell
05:21<hachi>the initramfs is starting, and possibly even finishing... the last line it shows me is "Done"... but it says that several times while processing
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05:28<hachi>ahh, there's a line flashing by just before it reboots
05:28<hachi>"printk: 202961 messages supressed"
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05:31<hachi>I can't find how to disable the suppression of printks
05:32<hachi>every bloody person on google says to check the syslog
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05:34<bartm>hachi: shouting won't work either
05:34<hachi>I haven't gotten any help so far
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05:34<bartm>hachi: maybe you did get help, but you're not yet aware of that :)
05:34<blarson>hachi: configure with a serial console, then use another system to log the messages.
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05:35<hachi>the printk is being suppressed
05:35<hachi>serial console won't get them either
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05:35<blarson>hachi: I think it only suppresses duplicates. So you want the one before that.
05:36<hachi>sorry, forgot the .
05:37<Wesley>Is there a simple date --date syntax to get the value of three months back?
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05:38<Wesley>date --date="last month" +%m-%y works, but can't seem to figure out how to go back 3 months
05:38<bartm>Wesley: maybe write a wrapper in perl
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05:39<bartm>Wesley: or modify the "date" program to support an additional parameter to do date calculations
05:39<dli>Wesley, use a gui tool
05:39<hachi>okay, got rid of the printk problem
05:40<Wesley>I'm trying to make a backup script, gui tool won't do much
05:40<hachi>it's leftovers of a xen kernel... which I've bypassed now
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05:41<hachi>using a normal debian kernel I get into the initrd, and then a silent reboot (the only exception is the kernel saying "Syncronizing SCSI cache for disk sda:"
05:42<hachi>I'm trying to boot from sda1 or 2, can't remember which
05:42<hachi>not LVM, not MD
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05:42<hachi>initrd says root is mounted just fine
05:43<hachi>I don't know what else I can give for debugging
05:43<hachi>the box has worked fine for like... 2+years now
05:44<hachi>this last reboot and it won't boot properly... so somethings gotta be whacked in the initrd I would assume
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05:46<hachi>bartm: I've reread the log since I asked my initial question
05:47<hachi>gsimmons suggested a page that suggests one possible course of action to get to a prompt
05:47<hachi>it doesn't work with any kernel I have
05:47<hachi>beyond that, nothing has been said
05:47<hachi>so why did you imply that I've gotten help that I missed?
05:48<petemc>stop whinging
05:48<bartm>petemc: I think it's spelled "whining" :p
05:48<ReD_NooSe>I would like to know how to install debian with RAID 1 done in Hardware
05:49<bartm>hachi: be happy that people talk to you without sending you bills :p
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05:50<bartm>petemc: cool, thanks for that
05:50<potato>why would a package be included in sarge and sid, but not in etch or lenny?
05:51<bartm>potato: which package?
05:51<alaya>cool i just found poppler-utils
05:51<azeem>potato: maybe the package was too bad for etch and lenny, but it is still acceptable to have it in unstable
05:51<potato>bartm: chromium
05:51<potato>azeem: why would it make it into sarge then?
05:52<bartm>potato: this seems to keep the package out of testing
05:52<hachi>bartm: I would gladly pay money for a way to get past the initrd on this machine. I've gone searching on google to find help on this problem. Some people have similar issues but there are no answers
05:52<potato>I see now
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05:53<azeem>potato: because back then either nobody found out it was bad, or it got bad since then, or debian's definition of bad changed since then
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05:54<potato>azeem: appears to be license issues, I'm enlightened now
05:54<bartm>potato: you're welcome to fix the license issues :)
05:54<hachi>bartm: that doesn't help me right now... amazingly enough
05:54<potato>lol, I'm not the author
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05:58<bartm>potato: it seems that someone has offered a fix that needs to be packaged and tested, so there's no need to be the author to fix the problem
05:58<bartm>potato: or cut out the non-free parts (if that doesn't break the software)
05:59<potato>bartm: where is the fix?
05:59<bartm>potato: see last message on the bug report
06:00<alaya>hachi: what is wrong?
06:00<potato>bartm: do you mean the post?
06:01<hachi>alaya: initrd mounts root filesystem just fine, loads MD modules... then the system 'silently' reboots
06:01<hachi>I'm unable to get into initrd console, or single user mode
06:01<bartm>potato: I meant on this bug report
06:01<hachi>init=/bin/bash doesn't work
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06:01<alaya>hachi: is root on raid?
06:02<hachi>there are no errors
06:02<potato>ah OK
06:02<hachi>no MD devices in the machine currently
06:02<hachi>no controllers... single disk booting
06:02<alaya>hachi: then why loading md modules?
06:02<hachi>no LVM... booting from /dev/sda1
06:02<hachi>because I can't disable that
06:02<bartm>potato: if you have the time and interest to try the suggested fix, then your feedback is probably most welcome on the bug report
06:02<alaya>was there raid at some point? is this a custom kernel?
06:02<hachi>I can't boot into the system or into the initrd console to disable the MD
06:03<hachi>debian kernel, debian initrd
06:03<alaya>hachi: and yes you can disable by blacklisting modules
06:03<hachi>yes, there is normally two soft raid setups in this machine
06:03<alaya>hachi: so wait, it just stopped booting at some point? after what?
06:03<hachi>after I rebooted, it didn't come back up
06:04<potato>bartm: I'm actually mostly a newbie to linux, but I'll see if I can do anything
06:04<hachi>I've been pulling hardware and kicking it to try and get it to boot since then
06:04<alaya>hachi: well i think you need to mount the root fs under knoppix or other rescue system and take out the raid stuff - i forget the initilaization files, but i'd remove them and comment out fstab entries, etc.,
06:04<alaya>hachi: this is software raid?
06:04<hachi>I can't get past the initrd!
06:04<hachi>fstab has nothing to do with this
06:05<hachi>sure, I can mount the fs with a rescue linux setup
06:05<hachi>but I can't boot into it even after twiddling things
06:05<hachi>the initrd is causing a reboot -f
06:05<hachi>it's not a panic
06:05<hachi>there is a sync and the system knowingly reboots
06:06<alaya> /etc/raidtab
06:06<alaya>and maybe mdadm has a --delete option or something (just parsing the sw raid howto)
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06:15<hachi>I just did a dpkg-reconfigure mdadm on the box (rescue boot, mounted root, chroot)
06:15<hachi>I did tell it 'none' for 'which devices are neeeded for the system to boot'
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06:16<hachi>so I don't have a clue why it insists on building MD support into the initrd after I said that
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06:17<Gekz>I'm looking to see if any package owns the file /etc/default/acpi-support, but not of an installed pkg, a pkg in the repos.
06:17<Gekz>is there any way I could do that
06:17<dpkg>i heard apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
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06:18<bartm>Gekz: try this: dpkg -S /etc/default/acpi-support
06:18<bartm>Gekz: owww, "not of an installed pkg", sorry
06:19<Gekz>if it was installed, I'd know where it is :P
06:19<alaya>hachi: i don't know. i generally think sw raid is much inferior to just getting a cheap 3ware or other card
06:20<hachi>yes I know
06:20<hachi>it's independent of this problem
06:21<hachi>you're fixing something that isn't broken
06:21<hachi>thanks for trying through
06:22<kmap>Would you recommend a switch to graphicsmagick on Debian, or is imagemagick yet to become "replaceable"?
06:23<alaya>depends if the tools in imagemagick do what you want them to do
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06:23<kmap>alaya: I use convert. Everyday. And little else
06:23<alaya>yeah i love convert
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06:24<kmap>alaya: I am trying the swtch now
06:24<alaya>you could always compare convert with whatever equivalent is in graphickmagick, then tell us your findings :-)
06:24<kmap>alaya: Yes, I'll do that
06:24<kmap>alaya: Seems to be no different. My scripts work OK...
06:25<kmap>alaya: Of course, I'll check more thoroughly
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06:26<alaya>hachi: you can always install make-kpkg and linux-source-'uname -r' and go from there... copy over config from /boot and modify to your needs
06:28<alaya>oops kernel-package contains make-kpkg
06:28<hachi>not a kernel issue either
06:28<hachi>I'm bisecting the initramfs tools to figure out why they're adding the md tools even though I say they're not needed
06:28<hachi>I even set the modules to be 'list' in the initramfs config
06:30<alaya>wow the 3ware cards are a lot more than i thought. maybe there are some cheaper promise alternatives
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06:30<hachi>you could buy a promise card
06:31<alaya>well not a raid 0 one...
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06:32<hachi>I'm sure the promise cards do raid 0 1 5 and 1+0 just fine
06:32<hachi>but it's just... they're promise cards
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06:34<hachi>break=mount, break=bottom, break=init; I choose one of you
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06:36<blarson>Most cheap "raid" cards are actually firmware raid at best. (If not just software raid in the windows drivers.)
06:37<alaya>adaptec has some cheaper ones
06:37<alaya>but looks like they don't support sata2 i/o
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06:37<hachi>blarson++ # knows what they're talking about
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06:39<blarson>I've always found software raid both cheaper and more versitile. But then I only use raid 1.
06:40<alaya>i've mostly used compaq array controllers
06:41<norbert_>is there a Linux CD-ROM or DVD that I can boot which has TOR and everything else (cookie handling, Java/Javascript disabled, blocking of web bugs/beacons, handling of referer-strings by Privoxy, and so on) installed and enabled and allows me to browse anonymously?
06:42<norbert_>some kind of Freedom Linux distro, or something
06:43<norbert_>because if I change everything I read on some of those forums, my current distro will be destroyed and I will never browse normally again (even when I use different account, because of all the insane system-wide changes)
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06:44<alaya>what? install debian, iceweasel, tor, then torbutton addon for firefox
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06:44<norbert_>yeah, that's what a newbie could do
06:44<sPiCy`>chalu les filles
06:44<alaya>wow like a 1-line command...
06:44<sPiCy`>hi @ all
06:45<alaya>apt-get install iceweasel tor
06:45<norbert_>you really don't get it
06:46<knewt>i'm trying to install etch on a sparc32 system, but it's failing during the base install. if i look at the syslog file after i get back to the menu, it complains about segfaults. if i try to chroot into /target, that also reports a segfault. don't have access to the serial console until this evening, but any ideas?
06:46<alaya>Tools -> Add ons -> download...
06:47<norbert_>alaya: Tor does IPs, but the application layer of HTTP throws in a lot of other variables.
06:47<norbert_>even with both Privoxy and TOR you're not covered
06:48<norbert_>and if you disable all browser plugins and find a way to handle cookies, you're still not covered
06:48<blarson>knewt: What kind? sarge/etch only do sun4m, and have problems sun4m multiprocessor.
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06:48<alaya>well many intelligence and other agencies are probably heavily involved in tor
06:48<blarson>lenny won't support 32-bit sparc.
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06:49<alaya>norbert_: anyhow i'd give up on the idea of browsing anonymously
06:50<knewt>blarson: sparcstation 10
06:50<alaya>norbert_: just don't visit any bad sites :-) and be prepared to be accountable for the ones you do
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06:51<norbert_>that's the problem, in my opinion information wants to be free and I should be allowed to read and see everything, but others disagree; "bad sites" is in the eyes of...
06:52<norbert_>and browsing anonymously would be really easy if there would be a 1 CD-ROM or DVD distro that would have _everything_ up and running correctly
06:52<alaya>no one cares if you're watching porn
06:52<norbert_>where can I download it? or: who is going to create such a Debian-based distro?
06:53<alaya>porndeb livecd
06:53<norbert_>people care about everything I do, but this is not about me; I'm trying to make a general statement, and I'm hoping that some folks here are up for a challenge
06:53<alaya>no, that should be pr0ndeb
06:53<Maulkin>alaya: now that's just FUD. Any references for intelligence agenies being involved in tor?
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06:53<alaya>Maulkin: no it was in the news about 2 weeks ago
06:54<Maulkin>alaya: Really? Where?
06:54<alaya>Maulkin: some people were examining some tor nodes and found some very odd ones
06:54<alaya>Maulkin: i think /. had it
06:54<norbert_>via /.
06:54<Maulkin>That one was an atricle about how some government agencies use tor, and reveal their personal passwords.
06:54<norbert_>but that's not my point folks
06:55<alaya>Maulkin: one researcher was reading mails from embassies and stuff in an experiment
06:55<alaya>Maulkin: and i guess theoretically if you run enough nodes of your own you can get a lot of things and figurue out the origins
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06:56<norbert_>all these people who're trying to set up Freenet and TOR/Privoxy on their computers
06:56<norbert_>why can't they just download a Debian-based Freedom distro?
06:56<alaya>Maulkin: so it stands to reason that pretty much all the governments are going to be involved
06:56<Maulkin>I think people are getting confused with private and anyonymous.
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06:56<alaya>then it just comes down to: what is less important - my coworkers knowing i browse pr0n, or some guy in an operations center in beijing?
06:57<alaya>of course maybe he could be in langley, or moscow, or wherever
06:57<alaya>so i end up in a database with50 million other people
06:57<norbert_>you're not making a valid point with you "pr0n" because no government (or anyone for that matter) cares whether or not you look at it or read stories
06:57<Maulkin>Don't be silly
06:58<Maulkin>The government agencies would not know *you* are browsing porn. They'll know 'someone' is. Unless you reveal information as to who you are, they won't know
06:58<Maulkin>(assuming you're going through their node)
06:59<norbert_>that whole system is meant for people who are being spied on to begin with
07:00<Maulkin>Hrm. May have to write a blog post about this.
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07:00<norbert_>see, it really doesn't matter if Joe General browses anonymously or not, because no one cares anyways
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07:01<norbert_>people who are fighting for animal or gay rights, or who are racists, or who want anarchy and are well known, they need that Freedom distro
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07:02<Cytrax>hey there, does anyone know why when I do "adduser" on debian I cant login via ssh with the user I created but if I use "useradd" I can?
07:02<norbert_>sure, the government is trying to find out what we are all doing, but that's not enough for you all to need things like TOR
07:02<norbert_>Cytrax: yes, adduser does not create a homedir
07:03<Cytrax>when I user useradd it says it does
07:03<alaya>i thought it was the other way around: useradd doesn't create it by default but adduser does?
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07:05<norbert_>who disagrees that it's stupid for a system to have both an "adduser" and a "useradd" command?
07:05<Cytrax>Adding user `homer' ...
07:05<Cytrax>Adding new group `homer' (1010) ...
07:05<Cytrax>Adding new user `homer' (1010) with group `homer' ...
07:05<Cytrax>Creating home directory `/home/homer' ...
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07:05<norbert_>that's just asking for trouble
07:06<Cytrax>useradd seems to add the dir
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07:07<alaya>i usu. use user/groupadd when i want more fine-grained control
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07:14<norbert_>the (American) government has near unlimited money to look into things like TOR, so it makes sense that they have people looking into it and maybe some of the TOR developers are gov-people, it wouldn't surprise me if the gov. knows more about TOR than the TOR-devs themselves
07:14<cyrax>I have a question regarding the stable vs testing convention. I am an average gnu/linux user. I would like to install the latest packages. IIRC stable does not get non-critical upgrades. So should I install stable or testing? For ex: If the latest version of firefox arrives, will stable get it too? or is it only available through testing? Or did I get the whole thing wrong?
07:14<norbert_>same with Freenet, no doubt they have found ways to spy on traffic and stuff
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07:15<norbert_>cyrax: You are running Debian stable, because you prefer the stable Debian tree. It runs great, there is just one problem: the software is a little bit outdated compared to other distributions. That is where backports come in.
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07:15<norbert_>(for example: )
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07:15<norbert_>and I'm sure they can listen in on Skype calls as well, the government that is
07:16<knewt>blarson: no ideas then?
07:16<cyrax>norbert_, in that case should I use testing? How stable is testing (umm??)
07:17<norbert_>Skype is just a thingy that's now part of eBay, what will they do when the gov. says: we want to listen to this-or-that person (and surely the Skype-peeps won't say: yes, they can; that would the end for that app.)
07:17<norbert_>cyrax: no, you don't need testing, the backports are .deb packages that you can use in stable
07:17<cyrax>norbert_, I see.
07:17<cyrax>norbert_, thank you.
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07:18<norbert_>testing is pretty stable, I've used it for years and only when I really ran into problems I decided to go back to stable
07:18<norbert_>but that was after I had done some really nasty stuff to it, because I wanted to use kdenlive 0.5 cvn
07:20<cyrax>norbert_, sounds good.
07:20<cyrax>I will download and install stable then
07:21<norbert_>you don't have to download it separately
07:21<norbert_>you can change some config files and have the system upgrade itself
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07:21<norbert_>edit /etc/apt/sources.list and then run # apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
07:22<norbert_>change all "etch" in that file to "testing"
07:23<norbert_>normally someone will now make an IRC-bot give you a warning about unexpected explosions that will be your own fault if you proceed
07:23<norbert_>just make sure you have a backup of the important files and give it a shot
07:23<dpkg>it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
07:23<cyrax>norbert_, hahah.
07:24<norbert_>alaya: thanks ;-)
07:24<norbert_>but that's unstable, cyrax will go for testing
07:25<alaya>seriously, if you run into issues, people will not want to help you if you're running testing/unstable because it is expected you can handle it yourself
07:25<cyrax>norbert_, I will go for stable for now. I can upgrade to testing anytime right? Downgrading to stable would definitely be a pain I presume.
07:25<alaya>testing is basically unstable that gets moved into testing via automated scripts after a couple weeks
07:25<norbert_>cyrax: downgrading is a pain, yes; you can upgrade to testing anytime
07:25<alaya>you cannot downgrade
07:26<cyrax>alaya, I want to use this as my desktop. I have my data on a different partition on a different drive infact
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07:26<blarson>knewt: not offhand. I got rid of my non-ultra sparc systems.
07:26<cyrax>alaya, so I was not sure which one I should go for.
07:26<alaya>cyrax: so you can blow the whole system away and remount your personal data if you need to
07:27<norbert_>you probably just want Ubuntu :P
07:27<knewt>blarson: oh well. any idea who might?
07:27<cyrax>alaya, yes. That is one of the reasons I kept it like that.
07:27<norbert_>like Debian, but with all the new shiny things, hehe
07:27<alaya>cyrax: read up on debian, get really familiar with the packaging system, and try out testing if you want
07:28<alaya>cyrax: you can also use debootstrap to install testing in a chroot to play with it
07:28<cyrax>norbert_, I've used Ubuntu for an year now. Frankly in the quest for being uptodate and all, I've faced far too many random problems in Ubuntu. For ex: my NTFS partitions disappeared after I had upgraded (after a 2 month break)
07:28<blarson>knewt: You could ask on debian-sparc@lists.d.o
07:28<cyrax>alaya, I had used Debian like 4 yrs ago.
07:28<norbert_>cyrax: okay, I've never used Ubuntu myself, so I can't really tell you about my experiences
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07:28<alaya>yeah i found that the tradeoff with stability with ubuntu isn't really worth it.
07:29<alaya>it releases faster, but then there is more instability. so you can't cheat the system
07:29<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, don't upgrade, keep your /home on a seperate partition, and do a clean install
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07:29<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, that's always a better plan, no matter what distro..
07:30<bcochofel>Hi, I need a way to add a user and give it a default password in the shell with a script
07:30<knewt>blarson: ta
07:30<bcochofel>His there a way to do this without using expect?
07:30<norbert_>btw, why is TOR not in stable?
07:30<alaya>odd, no idea
07:30<cyrax>norbert_, I loved it in the beginning (7.04). Then I upgraded to 7.10 and things went wrong. So I reinstalled the whole distro (7.10 image). Things were fine for sometime and then after 2months I upgraded. That is when I could no longer see my ntfs partitions. I tried fixing it but could not. Finally I am looking @ Debian. Perhaps stability is more important than bells and whistles.
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07:31<alaya>!tell norbert about simple sid backport
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07:31<norbert_>bcochofel: don't really get your question, useradd has -p, --password... that won't help you?
07:31<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, yes, I keep my /home /web on separate partitions.
07:31<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, I've been using Ubuntu since the second 5.04, and I've never had erratic issues like that
07:32<pmjdebruijn>it's usally hardware/user related
07:32<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, I wish I had talked to you before. :(
07:32<bcochofel>norbert_: let me check
07:32<norbert_>cyrax: yeah, stability is important... especially if things that worked before stop working, that can make you mad... I know the feeling
07:32<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, besides, 7.10 uses fuse... that's difference from the setup in 7.04
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07:33<bcochofel>norbert_: crypt password? Hoe can I get this?
07:33<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, cannot be hardware - it's just a SATA drive and I can see ALL partitions in windows. It cannot be user because if I press the "upgrade" button and it breaks ... *shrugs*. I know a little about gnu/linux so I can tell when I fk up.
07:33<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, like I said, don't upgrade... do a clean install
07:33<norbert_>yeah, people blame hardware and users to easily
07:34<norbert_>some things are just crazy in the default Debian install
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07:34<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, I tried upgrading - it broke. So I formatted my system and reinstalled 7.10, fresh. The system broke after I had operated it for a while.
07:34<alaya>bcochofel: check out options in /etc/pam.d/common-password
07:34<norbert_>like really ugly and missing fonts for Firefox (flash)
07:34<JasonS>and how is that debians fault norbert_ ?
07:34<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, I would not really blame Ubuntu for something like an upgrade.
07:34<norbert_>and no alt-codes that many Windows users know work default, and if they do they become shift-codes
07:34<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, ie, "how did it break" ?
07:35<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, but... it would be a GOOD thing if the upgrade did not break because my dad would have a tough time installing his system right?
07:35<pmjdebruijn>many people use automatix, and then wonder why it broke...
07:35<pmjdebruijn>or third party repos
07:35<norbert_>and if you set the wrong time when you install and then run ntpdate, your X crashes
07:35<pmjdebruijn>those are usually killers
07:35<norbert_>things like that
07:36<JasonS>ahh norbert_ ive never had the wrong time kill X, and thats the first ive heard of that one, you sure that wasnt just a concidence?
07:36<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, - fresh install. Used it for a while and then 2 days back I upgraded (after not upgrading for over 2 months). Then it broke. BTW I do not use automatix. only Adept. I had read somewhere that it causes a lot of problems so I did not touch it.
07:36<norbert_>nope, the ntpdate people know about it and think it's a gdm-thing
07:36<JasonS>ahh the finger pointing stage of bug fixing heh
07:37<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, hmm weird... maybe indeed a upgrade bug... it does happen...
07:37<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, but I always upgrade _at least_ weekly
07:37<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, frankly Ubuntu 7.04 made me realise that I can install and suggest Ubuntu to novice users.
07:37<norbert_>pmjdebruijn: I stopped doing that, because of all kinds of strange apt-errors
07:37<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, the problem with weekly upgrades is that 2 months == 8 weeks :)
07:38<pmjdebruijn>yes? so?
07:38<norbert_>I had to learn things like apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-overwrite" install <package>; <package>
07:38<norbert_>all kinds of this-thing can't work with that-thing, but this-thing is version... and so on
07:38<pmjdebruijn>norbert_, that means something is massively broken
07:38<norbert_>something everything just breaks
07:38<pmjdebruijn>norbert_, without external repos?
07:38<cyrax>pmjdebruijn, if it can break when I upgrade after 2 months there is no guarantee that it will not break even if I perform a weekly upgrade.
07:38<seanius>uh, i wouldn't be surprised that things break if you do that
07:38<norbert_>yes, and it's not the users fault or the hardware's fault
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07:39<pmjdebruijn>cyrax, I've only seen one real breakage, and that was with xorg
07:39<cyrax>xfree -> xorg? pmenier_off
07:39<norbert_>yes, without external repos; I've had that about 4-5 times (but I've been using Linux only for over 10 years, so it's not /that/ bad)
07:39<norbert_>yes, xorg gave me many problems
07:39<pmjdebruijn>norbert_, people ask such things, because they manage dozens of machines, with regular upgrade _without_ issues
07:39<norbert_>especially when they switched
07:39<cyrax>norbert_, I agree. Distros have come a long way now. We had worse problems working with Vista.
07:40<pmjdebruijn>I didn't even notice the switch?
07:40<pmjdebruijn>it's just that the Ubuntu folks once published a broken xorg package
07:40<norbert_>well, I had to /msg dpkg x11-common conflict
07:40<norbert_>!x11-common conflict
07:40<dpkg>i heard x11-common conflict is if you get an error about conflicting files in xfree86-common and x11-common, run "apt-get install xfree86-common- x11-common". NOTE: the '-' after xfree86-common is required
07:40<norbert_>see, still there
07:40<cyrax>norbert_, I was using FreeBSD when the xfree -> xorg transition took place. So many of my friends had issues with their installations that people just reinstalled the systems.
07:41<pmjdebruijn>norbert_, uhr? but why would you install both packages?
07:41<pmjdebruijn>that's silly
07:41<norbert_>I didn't, apt messed up
07:41<cyrax>debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent eh? What is that?
07:41<norbert_>but like I said, only about 4-5 times in over 10 years
07:41<pmjdebruijn>norbert_, that just means a package has a wrong dependancy
07:41<pmjdebruijn>you folks aren't on testing are you?
07:42<norbert_>cyrax: yep, luckily that switch is behind all of us now ;-)
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07:43<cyrax>norbert_, hehe. yes. but it tells us one thing about upgrades and changes. I cannot say that the next upgrade will be smooth you know.
07:43<norbert_>cyrax: hehe, Debian 4.0 r1 for i386-like systems, KDE version, first CD, iso file to burn a CD, torrent for you to download
07:43<norbert_>cyrax: you never know ;-)
07:43<cyrax>norbert_, how is it different from the business card?
07:44<cyrax>I plan on using a USB flash memory stick to install.
07:44<alaya>usb sticks are cool ;-)
07:45<alaya>i have one for debian and one with gparted, and one with knoppix
07:45<norbert_>cyrax: look at the filesize
07:45<norbert_>I have once installed Debian on an USB stick, I still have the log
07:46<Maulkin>alaya/norbert_ : in case you're interested.
07:46<norbert_>Maulkin: thx, I'll check it out
07:46<cyrax>norbert_, argh! stupid me.
07:46<alaya>Maulkin: right on. thanks for that. I'll read it...
07:46<alaya>Maulkin: those rocks are cool btw.
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07:47<alaya>totally reminds me of when i was camping out this summer
07:47<norbert_>it was difficult to get GRUB to work with the stick
07:47<Maulkin>alaya: :P
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07:47<Maulkin>Oh yeah...
07:48<norbert_>but I finally got it all working
07:48<norbert_>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
07:48<norbert_>/dev/sda1 1.7G 554M 1.1G 35% /
07:48<norbert_>udev 221M 120K 221M 1% /dev
07:48<norbert_>devshm 221M 0 221M 0% /dev/shm
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07:48<Maulkin><mode +o>Please keep it on topic<mode -o>
07:48<norbert_>so it was a 2 Gig stick
07:48<Maulkin>Should have mentioned that earlier.
07:48<norbert_>well, I installed Debian on the stick ;-)
07:49<alaya>Maulkin: kk
07:49<norbert_>all kinds of Grub errors, Error 21, usb-storage: *** thread sleeping, and so on
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07:49<norbert_>anyways... who's going to make a Freedom distro with TOR/Freenet/and so on installed by default and everything anonymous/private?
07:49<Ferro>er der nogle danskere her ?
07:50<Ferro>No justice No Peace Fuck The Police
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07:50<norbert_>Besoeg ogsaa paa freenode, hvor der er flere brugere
07:50<alaya>Maulkin: FWIW:
07:50<norbert_>(whatever that means; I'm Dutch)
07:51<Ferro>i am using the Polipix cd rigth know
07:51<alaya>Maulkin: you should definitely quote that article and not me, since i was only alluding to that article, though i may have misunderstood aspects of it
07:51<Ferro>can i get TOR on my harddisk ?
07:52<alaya>Ferro: apt-get instsall it
07:52<JasonS>Ferro: polipix? try #polipix
07:52<Ferro>ok thanks
07:52<Ferro>yes its a cd maded by PROSA
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07:53<norbert_>what's polipix?
07:53<norbert_>I don't get any hits on that via Google
07:53<norbert_>(okay, there are some, but not really Debian or Linux related)
07:53<Ferro>they have maded a cd whit Linux knoppix system you know lika a windows on cd
07:53<JasonS>me neither
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07:53<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
07:54<JasonS>Ferro: then you should ask in thier channel as it's not debian
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07:54<Ferro>the police dont know what you are doing if you using the PoliPix cd
07:55<JasonS>heh sure they do if they want to bad enough
07:55<Ferro>and they have maded in englis to
07:55<JasonS>i think
07:55<norbert_>and I think ;-)
07:56<mohkohn>Ferro you don't happen to think the "police" might be monitoring an open internet channe?
07:56<mohkohn>Or perhaps Echelon?
07:56<Ferro>maybe i dont know but the cd is great :D
07:56<norbert_>so there is a Freedom Linux distro after all ;-)
07:57<Ferro>i can give the homepage
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07:57<JasonS>Ferro: perhaps but you're still in the wrong support channel
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07:57<Ferro>i am using the cd right now and ther was a X chat så i try it and know i am here
07:57<norbert_>Ferro: sure, what's their English homepage?
07:58<mario84>hi, i have a remote controlled old pc to download torrent,i tried torrentflux but after a night of downloads fill up 200mb of ram, do you know a torrent client that don't require X and have web remote control?
07:58<Ferro>i will finde it for you
07:58<mohkohn> Ferro
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07:58<mohkohn>might be interesting to you.
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07:59<petemc>mohkohn: the bittorrent package has btdownloadcurses and btlaunchmanycurses
07:59<petemc>mario84: ^^
08:00<mario84>petemc: does it have a web control or i have to use ssh?
08:00<JasonS>norbert_: that wrong time zone and update with X crashing, which debian release? just did that on a test laptop i have and its fine
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08:00<norbert_>it's probably
08:01<norbert_>JasonS: only works right after the install
08:01<JasonS>will have to try that when i blow away this laptop
08:01<norbert_>JasonS: I had that with stable, last time (of two in total) was a couple of months ago when I reinstalled stable
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08:02<speedyg>hi, in a vmware environment running on an intel Xeon cpu, what kernel would be advisable? regular 686 ?
08:02<norbert_>JasonS: anothing thing is that evolution will not allow newbies to use other languages than English for spell checking, unless they install gnome-spelling (or something)
08:03<norbert_>JasonS: newbies don't know they have to do that, they can install ispell-xx, aspell-xx, anything, but as long as they don't install that gnome package, Evolution won't do any checking in other languages (they won't show up in the preferences)
08:03<Eisvogel>hi all, does any one have vmware server running on debian unstable ? I cant get the vmware gui running .
08:04<norbert_>(gnome-spell - GNOME/Bonobo component for spell checking)
08:04<norbert_>all small things, but they change the users experience and first impression
08:05<norbert_>I've had three(!) people ask me why the alt-codes don't work under Linux
08:05<JasonS>so its a gnome issue not linux/debian? me re-reads as his brain is still frozen from the mornign walk to work
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08:05<JasonS>norbert_: tell them because its not windows
08:05<norbert_>the default Debian install comes with Gnome
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08:05<norbert_>"tell them because its not windows" -> that's no reason for it not to work by default
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08:06<norbert_>Alt-xxx has is not a binding for another gui function
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08:06<TBBle>Is there a good way to resize a ext3 image as small as possible? Both ext2resize and resize2fs expect me to specify the new size.
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08:09<sep>TBBle, i like to keeop some free space on a partition to avoid exxcessive fragmentation
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08:11<speedyg>whats the difference between a 2.6-686 and a 2.6-686-SMP kernel image ?
08:11<TBBle>It's an image from my old laptop's hard disk, and I'm out of space on the new one. >_<
08:14<norbert_>SMP = Symmetric Multi-processing
08:17<Ferro>burn the iso in to a cd-R
08:17<norbert_><norbert_> it's probably
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08:17<Ferro>and boot whit the cd
08:17<norbert_>I know, but I already e-mailed them with questions about the/an English version ;-)
08:17<JasonS>norbert_: any luck finding an englis site, ahh never mind
08:18<JasonS>not that i want or need the super squirrel secret dont let them see what im surfing to stuff, heh
08:18<Ferro>when the cd boots up ther are a menu that say bus F2 for englis ore somthing
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08:18<JasonS>or even think they can stop them from snooping on you
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08:20<norbert_>well, it was the reason _I_ came on this channel ;-)
08:20<norbert_>so, I guess I'll just check that out; see you all later (maybe)
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08:23<JasonS>unless the black helecopters get him first
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08:26<themill>dpkg: snatch Ferro
08:26[~]dpkg sends a black helicopter out to snatch Ferro thanks to a tipoff from themill. Mwahahaha...
08:27<Ferro>what ?
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08:28<JasonS>get the tinfoil hats out
08:29<Ferro>what is themill
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08:30<pharm>Has the -k7 kernel variant been dropped from the Debian kernel variants as of 2.6.23?
08:31<themill>Ferro: I think the line was "What is the matrix".
08:31<Ferro>ehm ok ?
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08:31<JasonS>Ferro: its a joke at paranoid people
08:31<Ferro>okay hehe :P
08:32<witte>pharm: I have noticed that -k7 is not there, but it could be that it is not yet build and will be uploaded later
08:32<themill>dpkg: hand out the tin foil hats
08:32[~]dpkg passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil...
08:32<pharm>It might make sense to drop it; I doubt there's much performance benefit over the -686 one (although I'm willing to be proved wrong!)
08:33<alaya>you need the special coating they use on the stealth bombers on your hats man
08:34<witte>pharm: there are some parameters in the kernel that can be set specifically for the k7 architecture, I am not sure what the effects are towards performance
08:34<pharm>witte: Indeed.
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08:41<witte>pharm: I don't see anything in the changelog, but maybe that is not the place to look for something like that
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09:01<jabr>is tomcat and libaxis-java the way to go for providing a java web service application service?
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09:07<razorboy>hey guys, can you tell me how to remove a partition from my hd without messing up my configuration?
09:08<razorboy>or can I just remove the partition with parted or whatever ?
09:08<klando>razorboy, you will probably want to use somethng like qtparted
09:09<razorboy>but its the partition in the middle
09:09<razorboy>so there would be 3 instead of 4
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09:10<razorboy>so what happens to the /dev/sda# thing
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09:10<razorboy>wouldn't then sda4 be sda3...
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09:10<klando>not sure :) your ask make me wonering, I do not remember
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09:13<razorboy>maybe I'll just try...
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09:15<razorboy>data shouldn't be lost since I'm not doing anything with the important partitions...
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09:47<HoWa>REGISTER AND GET $3.0 FOR FREE !!!!
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09:50<dave_>hello all
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09:51<[Lucky]>hi all)
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09:55<k4k-shell>Is there a way to get a Lenny net-install CD?
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09:56<k4k-shell>I'm trying to upgrade my dist to lenny from etch because there are to many things that are not in the stable version yet, but I think I need my CD to get the full thing because now the computer won't boot up
09:57<k4k-shell>please /msg k4k if you know a place please, k4k-shell has to leave
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10:00<maxamillion>i hate when people don't read ...
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10:06<jabr>Help please: I want to set ut a java web service application server with tomcat and axis. I'm using tomcat 5.5 and libaxis-java from the debian testing repository but i can't get them to interact and work properly. I'm ofcourse doing something wrong. I haven't found any documentatin to answer my unsertainties. Please give me a hint.
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10:07<evan_># dpkg-reconfigure plone-site
10:07<evan_>dzhandle zopectl: unknown instance `plone-site'
10:07<evan_>dzhandle remove-product: unknown instance `plone-site'
10:07<evan_>dzhandle make-instance: service user must be specified as user:group
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10:16<evan_>when I install plone-site I encounter the same problem as Bug#453180: plone-site: The package doesn't install at all: no instance created. The bug has been closed. It seems that it is related to the zope-debhelper package, which is not depended on by any other packages, so wasn't installed. Then I installed it, but the problem still exist
10:17<evan_>any ideas?
10:17<evan_>I am using debian lenny
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10:44<evan_>I am using debian lenny, when I install plone-site I encounter the same problem as Bug#453180: plone-site: The package doesn't install at all: no instance created. The bug has been closed. It seems that it is related to the zope-debhelper package, which is not depended on by any other packages, so wasn't installed. Then I installed it, but the problem still exists, any ideas?
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10:46<Guest912>Morning from the Northwest US
10:47<cyrax>I installed Debian Stable just now. None of the partitions I have are mounting even though they are ext3 fs. ERROR: "libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
10:47<cyrax>process 11504: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
10:47<cyrax>error: device /dev/hda7 is not removable
10:47<cyrax>error: could not execute pmount"
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10:48<Guest912>hey anybody have any experince installing onto a iMac G5 Rev-c PPC machine? im trying to escape OS X and all it's payware
10:48<guyguy>anyone use linux
10:48<cyrax>guyguy, hahhaha!
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10:48<guyguy>i mean knoppix
10:49<guyguy>everyone here uses linux
10:49<JasonS>guyguy: #knoppix does
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10:49<Guest912>hehe not i sorry
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10:49<cyrax>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
10:49<cyrax>process 11504: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
10:49<cyrax>error: device /dev/hda7 is not removable
10:49<cyrax>error: could not execute pmount
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10:49<Guest912>lol thats two
10:49<JasonS>!tell cyrax about paste
10:50<guyguy>#flood yeah i can flood
10:51<Guest912>so anybody willing to take a stab at it? PPC iMac G5 and debian...MUST escape OS X must be embraced byOpen source
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10:52<dpkg>somebody said ppc was is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
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10:53<Guest912>well been there done that debianppc users are asleep at the wheel least at this time of the day
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10:53<JasonS>Guest912: it happens, best just idle and wait
10:53<Guest912>and im readin the debian port page now
10:53<JasonS>same as here when its quit
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10:54<Guest912>well see thats just it the new etch dvd iso for ppc is the ONLY working installer
10:54<Guest912>out of yellowdog unbuntu etc
10:54<Guest912>BUT before i do install
10:54<Guest912>i need to shrink my HFS+
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10:56<Guest912>however i cant seem to get access to HFS+ aware and capable software iPartition cost cash parted and gparted have the suport but i cant get any live cd to boot
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11:00<JasonS>yes FinalCut
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11:01<chaco>Saludos, estoy instalando una impresora compartida en la red por samba, pero cuando entro a cuando voy a seleccionar el tipo de conexion no me aparece la opcion samba
11:01<FinalCut>hi, I am new to xchat... i am tolking from a debian system with gnome... i was supposed to joing this place "".. could you help me with that?
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11:03<daniel>Ubuntu rlz
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11:04<FinalCut>hey.! alguien sabe como debo hacer para conectarme a
11:04<path>debian is your father daniel and you're a troll
11:04<petemc>path: just ignore it
11:04<qbit>TROLL ALERT!
11:04<path>FinalCut, /server
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11:04<path>petemc, sure dude :)
11:04<FinalCut>ok, i will try.. thanks.!!!
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11:05<path>FinalCut, you must type /server before
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11:10<cyrax>question about a USB HDD: When I plug in the USB hdd nothing happens in Debian (etch). What am I missing?
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11:11<speedyg>what do you expect to be happening ?
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11:11<cyrax>SpeedyG, I would expect @least some message in dmesg output.
11:11<SpeedyG>is it powered on? :)
11:12<cyrax>SpeedyG, lol. Yes that was the first thing I checked.
11:12<SpeedyG>otherwise, I wouldnt know.. dont have much experience with usb-devices in linux :(
11:12<cyrax>SpeedyG, ok.
11:13<SpeedyG>maybe it needs some module or somth
11:13<SpeedyG>and check lsusb
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11:13<cyrax>yes I did do that.
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11:14<cyrax>lsmod also lists it
11:14<cyrax>it = module
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11:15<troy_>okie debian live doesnt work on the iMac G5 PPC any other ideas on how to get access to partition software that will resize HFS+ partitions ( aka parted)
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11:16<msan>What is a good calendar application to use in Etch ?
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11:16<msan>I've used Mozilla Sunbird before, but can't seem to find it as part of Etch.
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11:19<themill>msan: it's called iceowl in Debian, and it's only in sid at present.
11:19<azeem>and the short description is misleading
11:20<themill>azeem: yes... rather
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11:20<wiske57>I have installed to an older laptop and during the install the NIC worked ok. After reboot no NIC found? 3C589C PCMCIA card. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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11:20<themill>msan: I use Korganiser as part of the KDE PIM suite. Nicely integrates with mail and addressbook. Syncs with other things and isn't as bug filled as sunbird seems to be.
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11:22<msan>themill: thanks. I'll see if there is a backport of iceowl to etch available. I don't use GNOME/KDE/XFce/etc. Just plain old X11/vtwm.
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11:30<grant_>Anyone know anything about CUPS Print Servers ?
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11:33<msan>grant_: what do you need to know ?
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11:36<themill>grant_: just ask your real question
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11:39<grant_>Does anyone know anything about CUPS Print Servers?
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11:39<msan>grant_: what do you need to know ?
11:39<io->I need an advice. I would like to set up a private IRC server at my work, for around 40 people. Could someone orient me to a good ircd ? And I just need basic options. Thank you in advance.
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11:40<grant_>I have an Epson AcuLaser C1900 connected to a CUPS print server, but it's printing in mono instead of colour, anyone have any ideas?
11:40<grant_>I know it's something to do with the drivers on the print server
11:41<grant_>But I can't seem to find any useful information in google
11:41<msan>io-: Don't know much as I don't use an IRC daemon, but for simple stuff I guess you could try ircd-irc2 or ircd-ircu or ngircd ... I'm sure there are others out there as well.
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11:42<msan>grant_: you've got the correct printer drivers ?
11:43<grant_>I have ...
11:43<io->yep, I saw those packages after an aptitude search... I will do some reading then. thx msan
11:43<grant_>There are 13 of them
11:43<grant_>I've tried them all
11:43<grant_>but no joy
11:43<grant_>I searched google and it said try the C2000 driver
11:44<dkr>io-: I'm not familiar with irc servers, but another option you might consider is jabber. you can create group chats with it, use it for regular im within the office. with the advantage that it is all encrypted by default
11:44<grant_>So I tried all those but still mono
11:44<msan>grant_: you've tried this from say a Windo$e system and are getting colour ?
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11:47<msan>grant_: you've got the eplaser driver installed ?
11:47<grant_>Eh ... not sure ...
11:47<grant_>How do I check that ?
11:47<grant_>I'm going via the CUPS interface
11:47<grant_>on port 631
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11:48<grant_>and selecting the drivers from there
11:48<grant_>Not even sure where they are located to be honest
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11:49<io->dkr: users are running winXProut, only my server is running debian and I think it will be simplier for them to have an irc style chat system... and it will be simplier for me to give them a irc client that doesn't need to be installed.
11:49<dkr>io-: it was just a suggestion, you are free to accept it or not of course. no need to justify it to me. :)
11:49<grant_>Thanks ..... msan . I'll check it out
11:49<msan>that mentions an Epson provided free linux driver.
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11:50<msan>grant_: also check out the forums there. You will see a link to it on that page.
11:50<grant_>Ok, will do .. thanks again
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11:52<io->dkr: Yes yes I took it like a suggestion and thank you. Justifying was just a way to give more info about what I have to deal with :)
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11:53<grant_>msan ... I've got that driver
11:53<grant_>that's the one I downloaded
11:53<grant_>Any idea where it needs to go
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11:53<grant_>I've got it in /etc/cups/ppd at the mo
11:54<grant_>Not sure if that's the right place though
11:55<msan>grant_: that should be ok.
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11:58<grant_>msan ... through the cups admin page there are about 11 c1900 drivers in the list
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11:59<grant_>I've selected Epson AcuLaser C1900 Foomatic/eplaser (recommended) (en)
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11:59<grant_>But it's not even printing at all
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11:59<msan>grant_: apparently there is a post in the Ubuntu forums from someone who had a similar problem like yours.
11:59<franki>hi.. uh.... not sure what im doing.. but... i need to intsall a printer
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12:00<franki>can anyone help?
12:00<msan>grant_: where you able to print a test page from the printer itself ?
12:01<grant_>I can print a colour test page on the printer or directly connecting from windows
12:01<grant_>but through the CUPS server
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12:01<grant_>Only seem to get a test page in mono
12:01<grant_>and only when using the C2000 driver
12:01<msan>franki: you should get CUPS installed on your system, and then look at to get your printer setup.
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12:01<grant_>I found a post searching google that said to use the C2000 driver
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12:02<msan>grant_: not sure what else to suggest.
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12:02<msan>check the Epson web site for a newer version of the driver that fixed the bug ?
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12:05<grant_>Ok .. thanks for your help
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12:05<msan>no probs
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12:55<sandra>como te llamas
12:55<kiniu>hi, the channel might be inappropriate, but I've got an urgent question. are there any LaTeX experts?
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12:56<kiniu>what's wrong with: \begin{tabular}{>{\raggedright}p{.3\textwidth}} ble \end{tabular}
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12:56<yang>kiniu: #latex @
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12:56<sandra>como te llamas
12:56<kiniu>yang: ok, I'll try
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12:57<yang>sandra: no, here are no lammers
12:57<sandra>por que no
12:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:58<sandra>I spanish
12:59<berto>sandra: este canal es en inglés
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13:05<SpeedyG>tche ?
13:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:14<jolinex>How can I supervise the files has been transferred with the proftpd ftp server?
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13:31<ubuntu>hi all
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13:32<wiske57>I have installed to an older laptop and during the install the NIC worked ok. After reboot no NIC found? 3C589C PCMCIA card. Can someone point me in the right direction?
13:33<Supaplex>wiske57: you might have to load it by hand. add the module to /etc/modules if you want it to load between reboots.
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13:35<wiske57>Supaplex: can i use the driver/module, not used to Linux, that was on the install disk as it worked while installing?
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13:36<edthefox>anyone know how to connect to, say, an AS400 ??
13:37<berto>telnet <ip>
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13:37<edthefox>doesn't work
13:37<edthefox>tried that
13:37<berto>tn5250 - 5250 telnet emulator for accessing an IBM iSeries (AS/400)
13:38<Supaplex>wiske57: only if it's the same kernel. ask #debian-boot
13:39<wiske57>Supaplex: thanks, will check
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13:44<real0ne>i have a problem
13:44<real0ne>who can help me
13:46<JasonS>real0ne: have to tell us the problem fist
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13:46<Supaplex>!tell real0ne -about ask
13:46<Supaplex>real0ne: and go easy on the enter key :)
13:46<real0ne>till now
13:47<real0ne>i don't have debian on ly
13:47<JasonS>real0ne: type more hit enter less
13:48<real0ne>i want to insttall debian into my powerbook G4
13:48<dpkg>hmm... ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
13:48<Supaplex>but you've done more than wanting to install, right?
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13:48<Supaplex>we gave you a boatload of resources to use yesterday
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13:49<Supaplex>and I have other duties that need attention. good luck
13:49<fxiny>which one ? a vserver hack ?
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13:51<edthefox>realOne: Why do you want to drop OSX, it is a very good os imho
13:52<fxiny>is not very good
13:52<jagerman>But at least you aren't stuck with crap like openoffice :(
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14:07<Julien>bonjour, j'essaye d'installer e17 sur debain testing, mais j'y arrive pas. J'ai rajouter le depot mais rien à faire, ensuite j'install e17-desktop, mais je me retrouve toujours avec la version 16... quelqu'un à une idée?
14:08<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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14:10<Julien>sorry. bye
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14:16<Killing_Frost>Season's Greetings.
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14:20<dkr>Killing_Frost: nice irony
14:20<Killing_Frost>Bout whut.
14:21<dkr>killing Jack Frost = season's greetings. :)
14:21<Killing_Frost>It's my xmas nick.
14:21<Killing_Frost>Or it started out that way.
14:22<Julien>Anyone help me to install Enlightenment in testing debian?
14:22<Killing_Frost>Kinda like it now.
14:22<Julien>the version 17
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14:23<dpkg>[DR17 debs] or (dead link?)
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14:23<dpkg>Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17
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14:24<Killing_Frost>Then I found out about about a tenth of the girls on IRC read some Laurel K Hamilton book and are drooling over it.
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14:27<Killing_Frost>Now I gotta read some fantasy series about fairies and pregnant princcesses to find out what they're drooling over.
14:27<dkr>Killing_Frost: since 9/10 of the girls on irc are guys, does that mean all girls on irc read laurel k hamilton? ;)
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14:29<fxiny>wrong : 0.5/10 are bots :P
14:29<Killing_Frost>Who said anything about guys? I said about a tentnth of the girls, not a tenth of IRC.
14:30<Killing_Frost>Pay attention. <grins>
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14:36<vindex>hi, anyone who can tell me how to connect to a debian server via putty ? :) or a nice faq/guide ! thanks
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14:36<_2faced_>g'day folkes
14:36<dhiego_patrick>whats yor name?
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14:37<_2faced_>Q, what button on kbord do I use to open kmenu?
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14:37<DanDare>vindex, in here i just double click in putty and fill the info like server direction and password
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14:38<dhiego_patrick>brasil tem algum brasileiro ai
14:38<_2faced_>Q, what button on kbord do I use to open kmenu?
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14:38<vindex>DanDare, when i try to connect i just get disconnected right away, i dont get the option to enter PW
14:38<DanDare>vindex, you can do the command line too: 'putty.exe -P 62001'
14:38<vindex>it should be said i have never done it before :P
14:38<DanDare>where 62001 is the port, im using 62001
14:39<DanDare>dhiego_patrick, fala aí
14:39<vindex>also, im trying to connect from a windows computer
14:39<DanDare>vindex, try that
14:39<DanDare>but with the standart port. its 22?
14:40<vindex>i dont have to set up any server thingy on the linux first ?
14:40<cahoot>the server is expecting a pw? - not keybased login?
14:40<dhiego_patrick>ola tem algum brasileiroi ai
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14:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:40<dhiego_patrick>ola td bem
14:41<_2faced_>vindex,do you have sshserver installed on target machine?
14:41<edthefox>vindex:lol yes you have to install openssh first
14:41<dkr>we should add a language recognition feature to dpkg. :)
14:41<vindex>_2faced_ that would be a no :P
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14:41<DanDare>vindex, you must have ssh running in the server
14:41<vindex>pardon the nub guys :P, so then i have to install sshserver first
14:41<_2faced_>well open terminal and type "apt-get install openssh
14:42<DanDare>vindex, sshd
14:42<dhiego_patrick>alguem ta me vendo ai
14:42<dkr>dhiego_patrick: then wait
14:42<_2faced_>forget the ""
14:42<DanDare>dhiego_patrick, aqui tem que se falar em inglês cara. já já eles te kickam, vai pra #debian-br
14:42<dhiego_patrick>ta beleza
14:42<_2faced_>" nifty" ,...I haven't heared that word for ages
14:43<vindex>thanks _2faced_ and DanDare, ill give it a go. however i dont have any graphic interface, but the command still stands? "apt-get install openssh" ?
14:43<dhiego_patrick>what your name?
14:43<edthefox>vindex:thats correct
14:43<_2faced_>yep it has to be done as root or sudo
14:43<vindex>wich leads to a follow up question
14:43<DanDare>vindex, yes... after all try the vncserver packages to have the graphic interface trought internet to your server ;)
14:43<_2faced_>and cahoot is right
14:44<dhiego_patrick>valeu dandare
14:44<_2faced_>sometimes it still needs the cd
14:44<vindex>the command to start the ssh server ? :P
14:44<dhiego_patrick>um abraço
14:44<_2faced_>zo keep it in drive
14:44<_2faced_>or you could get a continious bunch of screenfarts
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14:45<vindex>well i only have the "light" version cd, the 180mb thingy
14:45<_2faced_>I am hre via bitchx and I like it cause it keeps me in the code mood
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14:45<_2faced_>I want to learn to do as much as possible in terminal
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14:47<amorphous>I'm having problems getting a
14:47<dkr>_2faced_: type a and then hit your tab key and you will see all commands starting with a. read man page for each command. then do it for b,c,d etc. :)
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14:48<_2faced_>viagra works in btoth cases,in first she has t take it,for second you do
14:48<Supaplex>dkr: why not just read all the man pages in the man directories?
14:49<_2faced_>dkr, if I wanted a sartass remark, i'd ask my 15yr old daughter, I just want to know the frigging key
14:49<Supaplex>viagra doesn't turn a dork into a casanova
14:49<dkr>says the guy who just made a viagra joke. lol
14:50<vindex>ok, i think i have the ssh menu up
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14:50<_2faced_>I assume you know didly-dhit about key so I think avoiding you is a case of mind over matter, I don't mind, cause you don't matter
14:50<vindex>how to i start the ssh server?
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14:50<_2faced_>or it has ro be runnong
14:50<vindex>it was allrady installed tho
14:50<brunoskrebs>is it possible to mount a ftp connection?
14:50<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
14:51<dkr>vindex: /etc/init.d/ssh start
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14:51<dkr>vindex: ignore that idiot
14:51<Supaplex>_2faced_: knock it off with the shotgun troubleshooting type advice
14:51<brunoskrebs>I have a connection with a ftp server, and I want to know if I can mount it, using the command mount
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14:52<dpkg>a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils'
14:52<vindex>it was allrady installed tho:P
14:52<vindex>unknown path :S
14:52<dkr>oh, nifty, it does exist. I'd heard of sshfs, but not ftpfs
14:52<brunoskrebs>Supaplex is always helping me
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14:53<Supaplex>with fuse, dang near anything is possible
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14:55<_2faced_>still don't now if there's a frigging key for kmenu
14:55<_2faced_>is there??
14:55<vindex>dkr still no go here, hehe
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14:56<_2faced_>Ill gladly leave you gall's , but I thought I'd get an aswer here
14:56<vindex>seems i have some kind of ssh client but not the server
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14:56<dkr>vindex: you missed the correction to your apt-get command above. you installed openssh not openssh-server
14:56<Supaplex>!tell vindex about search
14:57<Supaplex>vindex: pay special attention to apt-file
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14:57<Supaplex>eg, apt-file search /etc/init.d/ssh
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14:59<vindex>no command named apt-file :S
14:59<vindex>thanks for your patience btw hehe
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14:59<JacksLivr>hello all, i do not want to start a thing on distros, but i have been running fedora for a while and my machine died. I was just going to rebuild it with fedora, but thought this might be a good time to try something new. What would be your opinions on the biggest advantages to debian over fedora. is there anything you like about fedora better than you do debian?
15:00<_2faced_>damn, thaz the last time I go here, bunch of arrogant dickheads
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15:00<vindex>dkr any tips ? :)
15:01<dkr>vindex: install openssh-server
15:01<Supaplex>JacksLivr: well, they're were slow to adopt something apt-like. we've had dependency checking for ages. but imo, we're well focused on stability as well
15:01<Supaplex>vindex: you'd have to install apt-file :) didn't dpkg mention that part?
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15:02<vindex>think i got it ow hehe
15:02<vindex>installing open sshserver
15:02<vindex>it worked
15:03<vindex>thanks a bunch guys !
15:03<vindex>have a nice evening :)
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15:03<Supaplex>_2faced_: I'm pretty sure you can bind a key to kmenu, but I don't know how, nor have I ever wanted to. might be nice if I had it working though. anyway, if we're arragont assholes, maybe that's how we can treat you from now on. don't jump to conclusions you can't back up. ask dpkg about <ask> <repeat> etc.
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15:03<amorphous> I'm having problems getting a result from google. i'm trying to give someone su priveledges, but debian doesn't seem to offer it in users-admin. how can I give a user admin powers?
15:03<_2faced_>if you have the chance, log in by console once , enter user account, set desktopsharing, enter machine via vnc and use GUI instead of terminal for job's that can be done via GUI, ad avoid asking pain in the ass mofo's who know better but are not adut enough to give you a straight fukin answer
15:03<JacksLivr>Supaplex: since it is in version 4, makes me think it will not be obsolete as quickly as fedora?
15:03<dondelelcaro>amorphous: use sudo
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15:04<_2faced_>i feel much better now
15:04<_2faced_>feel free to ban my ass
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15:05<Supaplex>JacksLivr: I don't follow fedora that closely. I've been satisifed for the most part on the stability. I might mess with gentoo just to wrap my head around some other things
15:05<amorphous>dondelelcaro, he has no admin power... in ubuntu I could give it him in users-admin - it doesnt have that option in debian.
15:05<Supaplex>amorphous: there's sudo
15:05<dondelelcaro>amorphous: yes, what you do is you use sudo to allow him to become root.
15:05<dondelelcaro>amorphous: that's presumably what user-admin is doing
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15:06<dondelelcaro>(generally no one should know the root password)
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15:06<JacksLivr>i am intersested in a server platform, not a desktop. a friend of mine is a bug debian guy who tells me i will like apt better than yum or bsd ports
15:06<dkr>JacksLivr: heh, was just thinking. a guy who likes to bug debian? :)
15:07<JacksLivr>interesting typo
15:07<dondelelcaro>JacksLivr: yeah, it's Debian pretty much all of the way
15:07<JacksLivr>no freudian slip, i assure
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15:07<Supaplex>JacksLivr: are they still using python in the guts? I had the impression it was laggy, lots of latency before it actually acted on your request
15:08<_2faced_>yep , desktop has dissadvantages,certainly speed will be affected too, but someone ike me, who's not up-to-date, got some stuff working I wuld have more problem doing via terminal, it was just a rant/suggestion making a silly point
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15:08<amorphous>dondelelcaro, Supaplex - hang on... am I missing something here.... this is for a very noob user to use X to allow updates etc. I want him to have admin rights all the time do when it says there are updates, he can just hit the button and enter his password. I've added him to sudoers, but no joy. I can't find how to give him admin rights. does that make sense?
15:08<JacksLivr>how difficult is it to update from say debian3 to debian4. I only ask it that way because no one can really predict the 4->5 miagration path
15:09<Supaplex>amorphous: if you want root equiv, copy the root line with use username inplace. if you want finer grained control, consult the man pages. dpkg -L sudo | grep man
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15:10<Supaplex>amorphous: eg, you could allow only use of 'aptitude upgrade'
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15:11<Supaplex>JacksLivr: like sarge to etch?
15:11<amorphous>Supaplex, sorry - feeling a bit sily here... am honestly not that bad usually... (honest!) I trust him with all root priveleges... in what file do I copy the root line (above)?
15:11<JacksLivr>sure. i'm really just gonna apply that answer to an estimation of how it might be to keep it up to date.
15:11<JacksLivr>i dont have a sarge system i need to upgrade
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15:12<amorphous><--- feeling a bit dim :(
15:12<stew>JacksLivr: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
15:12<Supaplex>amorphous: run visudo
15:13<amorphous>Ahh.. think that may have touched on the problem... I went straight in there using nano...
15:14<amorphous>...more haste, less speed, maybe...
15:14<amorphous>hang on...
15:15<Supaplex>visudo is analogous to crontab -e.
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15:15<Supaplex>set what ever EDITOR= you want.
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15:17<amorphous>Supaplex, still claims it's the wrong password. Why does visudo edit the file sudoers.tmp & not sudoers?
15:19<Supaplex>man visudo is why :) iirc, it does sanity checking before it copies it back
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15:22<amorphous>so it is right that it edits the .tmp file... because it doesnt let his account do the updates still :(. Is this me missing something stupid?
15:22<Supaplex>hummm if squid cached imap like it does ftp/http.. I wonder...
15:22<amorphous>--- sorry to be a pita.
15:22<Supaplex>did the edits commit?
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15:24<Supaplex>amorphous: let's see the sudoers file on
15:25<Supaplex>er... or not. *shrug*
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15:27<the-wizard>Supaplex, - am here in the account (visudo problem) - it's easier than userswitching back and forth.
15:27<JacksLivr>ok, i am missing something here. I am trying to get the refference card and cannot figure out how to download and print the thing.
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15:29<the-wizard>the-wizard is in the sudoers file under'user privilege specification' but no priveleges when it comes to hitting the update icon... I can't understand why this was so simple in ubuntu - but is so hard in debian :/ - i know it's likely to be me being silly but what am i missing?
15:30<Supaplex>the-wizard: maybe we should inspect the sudoers file. post to
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15:30<Supaplex>oh, the user has to run "sudo <some-command>" and I don't understand ubuntu either, I haven't toyed with it recently.
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15:33<the-wizard>Supaplex, it's at - but thats what i mean - it's not a command line sudo thing - it's a gui permission... is this a gksudo thing? or just that he should have root privileges?
15:33<Supaplex>I have no idea outside of sudo
15:33<the-wizard>(does that make sense?)
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15:35<Supaplex>I don't know what that button looks like, what it's connected to, or what's involved. my background is in systems admin using ssh, not clicky-happy gui things, sorry :)
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15:37<the-wizard>Supa... yeah ok - it's me trying to give technophobes off windows - on the whole it's going well though - maybe should have stuck with ubuntu :( - still - i shall persevere. This has got to be something stupid. Given that how do I give him root priveleges using command line - I take it it's a bad idea to add him to the group root...
15:38<edthefox>amorphous: If you're wanting automatic updates, like I think you are, why don'd you just set a cron job to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade daily? instead of giving someone keys to your system??
15:39<the-wizard>yeah - was hoping to give su rights so that I can get him to do other stuff too, but that doed lok like the way out for the time being, edthefox.
15:39<the-wizard>thanks gents.
15:41<Supaplex>the userlist might have more of an idea. is it really gksudo? I'll have to poke at that critter, see how it ticks. ($someday)
15:41<edthefox>do you have the sytax correct in visudo?? "username ALL=(ALL) ALL"
15:41<the-wizard>am still a little confused as to why it's so difficult to give admin permissions though.
15:42<the-wizard>Still - thanks for the time - it is much appreciated.
15:43<edthefox>!ask dpkg about visudo
15:43<Supaplex>edthefox: /lastlog for his post. looks ok to me.
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15:43<the-wizard>edthefox, yeah - it's all good. I can sudo with the asccount - i just cant use the gnome icons to update/upgrade (the 'there are updates available' icon in gnome..)
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15:44<edthefox>sory having touble wit irssi
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15:45<edthefox>the-wizard: ic
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15:46<edthefox>i see
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15:46<the-wizard>oh yeah - sorry - obviosly not getting out enough :/
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15:46<edthefox>lol np man
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15:50<xylron>What was the result of the discussion of changes to the Debian menu system that occurred back in July? The one where it it was proposed to transition in the direction of using .Desktop file, those menus that support it can use those directly, re-delegating the Debian menu system to a system that converts those files to a form suitible for the other menus/WM's.
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15:58<artur>since the last etch kernel update i am unable to create an initrd with mdadm tools to boot on /dev/md0
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15:59<artur>how can i force update-initramfs or mkinitramfs to include these ?
15:59<giona>ciao amici
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16:00<Supaplex>if thermite would only cure these fscking issues with kmail. %*@%$(!
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16:02[~]Supaplex installs something else
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16:09<coxudo>alguem aki tem tempo de me ajudar a configurar meu speedy para outro pc?
16:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:22<dpkg>hmm... ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars
16:22<noflash>w00ps :)
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16:29<Dewbie>hey guys... I need some help here
16:30<Dewbie>someone can help?
16:30<Dewbie>or willing to... lol
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16:32<Dewbie>come on guys... I need some help with Xorg
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16:32<lampar>what happened?
16:32<lampar>I wasn't here...
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16:35<chealer>Dewbie: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
16:36<Dewbie>lampar: i installed Debian with netinst got a problem to go into the GUI, but figured out... after playing for a bit, when I try to login I type the user, passowrd, everything looks that's alright, but now I can see just the background and the mouse pointer (mouse is working)...
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16:37<Dewbie>sorry chealer, I didn't want to throw my problem and wait for an answer...
16:37<lampar>so, you are using gdm or kdm?
16:37<lampar>with gnome
16:37<Dewbie>btw, I'm totally newbie in Linux... :S
16:38<artur>ok, update-initramfs failed because of an corrupted partition (hardware problem), /sbin/mdadm was no longer there...
16:38<artur>bye bye
16:38<simonrvn>we can tell
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16:39<lampar>Dewbie: what happens if you reboot the machine?
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16:39<Dewbie>lampar: it reboots normally...
16:40<lampar>but the sessions always runs so bad?
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16:40<Dewbie>lampar: just the GUI... I'm able to use normally within prompt. I can even press CTRL+ALT combinations
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16:41<simonrvn>@wb themill
16:41<ravenbird>Welcome back themill, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese.
16:41<themill>Hi there simonrvn!
16:42<lampar>try ctrl-alt-backspace
16:42<lampar>it restarts the x server
16:42<Dewbie>lampar: tryed...
16:42<Dewbie>no success
16:43<lampar>run gnome-panel
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16:43<lampar>from a shell
16:43<Dewbie>and what should I do with gnome-panel?
16:44<simonrvn>no, it *kills* the x server, and *dms restart it
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16:45<simonrvn>wait for it to start? =)
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16:46<Dewbie>ok... I'm just trying to "gather" some steps, because I have to reboot into Debian... I'm in Windows now (urgh!!!)
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16:47<lampar>aha, ok
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16:48<lampar>try other desktop enviroment, and solve try to solve the problem from there
16:48<lampar>install kdm instead of gdm
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16:48<Dewbie>ok... I'll reboot and try gnome-panel... I'll come back with feedback... I'll try these steps... thx a lot guys
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16:49<edthefox>Dewbie: u should install a console irc client in debian that way you can get support from the command line =)
16:49<lupine>irssi ftw
16:49<Dewbie>ok... thx again...
16:50<lampar>which debian is it?
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17:54<flair>Hi all, when I try to make install my NIC drivers this is the error on the last line:
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17:55<flair>"cannot write to /var/cache/man/cat7/e1000.7.gz in catman mode"
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17:56<flair>Does anyone know what that means?
17:56<dondelelcaro>flair: don't ping us, please.
17:56<maxamillion>flair: uhmmm... why on earth did you just ping me?
17:56<maxamillion>oh ... he ping'd everyone
17:56<flair>sorry i must of accidentally did that.. i apologise
17:57<dondelelcaro>flair: in any event, it's just telling you that for whatever reason, it can't write to the cache using catman. Not really something to worry about.
17:57<flair>ok cause when I check to see whether e1000.7.gz exists in that folder, it doesn't.
17:57<flair>So I can just ignore that line?
17:58<dondelelcaro>right, because it wasn't able to do whatever it's doing there.
17:58<dondelelcaro>why exactly are you building the e1000 drivers, btw?
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18:00<flair>I have a PXE server at work, and the new Dell machines (clients) cannot boot into it because DRBL (the PXE app on the server) does not support the NIC on the Dell machines.
18:01<dondelelcaro>hrm... that doesn't make much sense, but ok.
18:02<dondelelcaro>the only thing that should matter to the PXE server is that it sends out the proper kernel which supports the NIC on the dell machines
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18:04<flair>Yeah that's what I'm going to try to do next and hopefully it'll work..
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18:06<fjp>Hi all. After rebooting a server I use to run spamassassin, I'm suddenly flooded by log messages like:
18:06<fjp>spamd[3151]: Subroutine DEAR_SOMETHING_one_line_body_test redefined at /var/lib/spamassassin/3.002003/updates_spamassassin_org/, rule DEAR_SOMETHING, line 4.
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18:06<fjp>Before the reboot everything was fine.
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18:07<fjp>Any ideas what's up?
18:07<Clumsy_Root>any networking experts in here? i'm having a hairy time configuring my linux box as an internet gateway for another machine.
18:07<fjp>Server is running Etch with spammassassin from volatile.
18:07<dondelelcaro>fjp: just guessing, there are two DEAR_SOMETHING rules; I'd do something like find /var/lib/spamassassin -type f |xargs grep -i DEAR_SOMETHING; and see what comes up
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18:08<dondelelcaro>fjp: 3.2.3-0.volatile1, right?
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18:10<fjp>Hmm. Looks like that new precompile option is the culprit.
18:11<dondelelcaro>what's odd is that I don't have, and I've got the updates enabled too
18:12[~]fjp runs 'sude sa-compile'
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18:15<fjp>dondelelcaro: updated 13-11
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18:17<fjp>Have to wait a bit to see if that fixed things.
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18:22<Clumsy_Root>anyone knows how to turn an etch box into a non-dedicated router?
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18:24<Supaplex>non-dedicated? you lost me on that bit.
18:24<dondelelcaro>Clumsy_Root: it's pretty much there; you just need to figure out what you want to route, and configure the interfaces appropriately.
18:25<fjp>Nope. Does not help. Let's see if disabling that feature works.
18:26<Clumsy_Root>i see. here's how things are set up and how i'd like them to wind up: my deb is networked through wireless, and i need to get a winxp laptop online through the deb box
18:27<Clumsy_Root>what i was thinking is that i should interface the laptop to the deb rig through ethernet, and basically give it the computer' wireless IP as its gateway, am i correct?
18:28<dondelelcaro>Clumsy_Root: you can do that and have the deb machine bridge
18:29<dpkg>Bridges link two or more network segments that use the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), and also to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same network protocol. <bridge setup>.
18:29<Clumsy_Root>i'm not sure how i should configure the bridge tho'
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18:29<dondelelcaro>!bridge setup
18:29<dpkg>Install the bridge-utils package and read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz. It contains basic and advanced bridge configuration examples ('dhcp' can also be used in place of 'static'). IP forwarding does _not_ need to be enabled.
18:30<Clumsy_Root>thanks, i'll look into that and see where that gets me
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18:34<netdemon>any one actually here???
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18:35<OlaX>Um, yeah, I'm here, kinda.
18:35<netdemon>how enthusiastic
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18:36<netdemon>any one do exploits??
18:36<OlaX>Well, I'm at work. It's interesting, and sometimes challenging, but not exactly exciting.
18:36<netdemon>i can see
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18:37<OlaX>What can you see?
18:37<netdemon>thats its not exciting
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18:37<mo1991>it seems that my azureus is not working in lenny amd64. Could this be due to the vesrion of java I have running? I have installed sun java but java -version shows a generic versioin
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18:38<netdemon>could be
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18:38<themill>mo1991: you can change that with update-alternatives or galternatives
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18:39<mo1991>thewill update alternaties java?
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18:39<Knorrie>java has it's own alternatives altenative because there are a lot of alternatives related to java
18:39<mo1991>what is the command
18:39<themill>update-alternatives --config java
18:39<OlaX>mo1991: update-java-alternatives --list for jvm list --set to set the active one
18:39<mo1991>ok, then I just switch to sun java
18:40<mo1991>and hopefully azureus will word
18:40<mo1991>and hopefully azureus will work
18:40<netdemon>any one know what some good IRCs are??
18:40<themill>Knorrie: oo.... that's a nice one... since I frequently change between different javas. Thanks.
18:40<mo1991>olax, ok now shows correct java version
18:40<Knorrie>themill: :)
18:41<themill>netdemon: most here use irssi. I use konversation. Some use xchat, others bitchx.
18:41<fjp>dondelelcaro: Yes, disabling that feature helped. Guess I'll write a BR or something and see what maintainers have to say about it. Thx for your help.
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18:41<netdemon>themill:i use konversation too
18:41<OlaX>mo1991: glad we could help.
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18:41<mo1991>OlaX - well see if azureus will download now.
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18:41<netdemon>i would go to my other IRC but the servers down
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18:42<netdemon>shits closed
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18:44<netdemon>is some one with windoze able to join in here?
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18:44<tilda140>why wouldn't they be?
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18:45<netdemon>i dont know
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18:45<netdemon>like i thought maybe the linux servers might boot every one who tried that didnt have linux
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18:46<netdemon>not boot but refuse service to
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18:46<OlaX>netdemon: why would they want to do that?
18:47<netdemon>olax: i really dont know
18:47<Dewbie>hey guys... I'm back... and with the problem SOLVED!
18:48<tilda140>that would be silly
18:48<netdemon>tilda140: you never know, but it wouldnt be like linux to
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18:49<OlaX>and complicated, accurate OS finger-printing is difficult.
18:49<netdemon>olax:not really
18:49<tilda140>isn't the fingerprinting done in theory anyway
18:49<Dewbie>Lampar: hey... I'm back... the problem was something with Gnome... I installed KDE and it works fine!
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18:50<netdemon>olax:all you have to do is get their IP and attempt a telnet and its refused it will send some other data releasing the OS type
18:51<netdemon>olax: linux has a habit of sending "fake data" whe you try though
18:52<netdemon>my "N" key is fucked up
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18:52<OlaX>netdemon: No, that would hardly work. For instance, if you try to fingerprint my machine (via your method) you would get the gateway here at the university. Tell me what OS that is running netmon.
18:53<netdemon>olax: it used to work, irrelevant data is moe frequent though
18:53<themill>r key missing too?
18:54<netdemon>my own mistake then
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18:54<OlaX>Yes, like I said, accurate OS finger-printing is difficult.
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18:54<OlaX>And, by and large, useless.
18:55<netdemon>unless you attempt a server
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18:56<themill>but then you get silly answers like M$ is running linux because they have akamai's reverse proxies in the way...
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18:56<Dewbie>someone know how can I install flash player plugin for AMD64???
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18:58<NeT_DeMoN>don't ask me, my toshibas stock
18:58<themill>Dewbie: either using nspluginwrapper or by installing a 32bit chroot.
18:58<dpkg>somebody said nspluginwrapper was a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at
18:58<Dewbie>thx a lot
18:59<NeT_DeMoN>holy crap, i didn't know metasploit was linux compatible
18:59<themill>!nickometer NeT_DeMoN
18:59<dpkg>'NeT_DeMoN' is 34.000% lame, themill
19:00<NeT_DeMoN>anyone know how to put WPE on linux?
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19:00<NeT_DeMoN>or is it physically possible
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19:00<NeT_DeMoN>im new to linux
19:01<NeT_DeMoN>like just got it a few weeks ago
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19:02<NeT_DeMoN>and is it possible to get the cube feature back for ubuntu 7.10
19:02<NeT_DeMoN>with out getting a new graphics card
19:02[~]amphi notes that this is #debian
19:03<NeT_DeMoN>thats what ubuntu is aint it
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19:03<amphi>!ubuntusmite NeT_DeMoN
19:03[~]dpkg takes away all the CO2 in the air around NeT_DeMoN and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
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19:03<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: no, you should perhaps try #ubuntu on
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19:04<NeT_DeMoN>make fun of the linux noob
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19:04<NeT_DeMoN>sup klepto
19:04<kl3pt0>what's up demon
19:04<NeT_DeMoN>nothing much
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19:04<NeT_DeMoN>getting laughed at
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19:04<NeT_DeMoN>like this was the default IRC when i downloaded konversation
19:05<NeT_DeMoN>thought i might see if this was anything to talk in
19:05<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: on ubuntu? file a bug ;)
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19:05<NeT_DeMoN>whats wrong with ubuntu?
19:06<kl3pt0>i have no idea
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19:06<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: nothing; but its irc clients should not IMHO default to joining #debian
19:06<kl3pt0>what you guys are talking about
19:06<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: if they do, that is ;)
19:06<NeT_DeMoN>it does
19:06<NeT_DeMoN>like i only have like 3 channels
19:06<NeT_DeMoN>and two of them are closed down
19:06<NeT_DeMoN>because of feds
19:06<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: you installed the client with the package manager?
19:07<NeT_DeMoN>i think so
19:07<NeT_DeMoN>i got it off the "add/remove software" feature
19:07<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: and it joined you to this channel automatically?
19:07<NeT_DeMoN>its just that this channel came with it
19:08<NeT_DeMoN>i cam from the crappy world of windoze
19:08<NeT_DeMoN>moey hungry peices of shit
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19:10<NeT_DeMoN>i have a question about linux entirely
19:10<NeT_DeMoN>my sound cards ot working and my computers stock accept for the OS
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19:10<NeT_DeMoN>could my sound driver be a "windriver"
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19:11<amphi>toshibas can be a PITA
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19:11<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: what does 'lspci | grep Audio' say?
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19:12<NeT_DeMoN>or can they make sound drivers just for one OS
19:12<amphi>drivers tend to be for a particular OS ;)
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19:14<amphi>NeT_DeMoN: did you run the command I gave you in a term?
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19:15<themill>NeT_DeMoN: could you also post the output of: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1
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19:19<Dewbie>hey guys... I'm following the guide to install flash player with nspluginwrapper but when I use the command "mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt install_flash_player_9_linux/ ~/.mozilla/plugins/" it says "mv: target `/home/caio/.mozilla/plugins/' is not a directory: No such file or directory"
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19:20<Dewbie>I don't know what to do
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19:22<witte>Dewbie: it just means that this directory does not exist
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19:22<themill>Dewbie: you could try making that directory. I presume that's the right dir for iceweasel too: mkdir -p ~/.mozilla/plugins
19:22<Dewbie>yeah... I know... but I don't know what directory to point to
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19:23<Dewbie>I'm using Konqueror...
19:23<Dewbie>well... I'll try
19:23<witte>Dewbie: then this wont help getting the flashplayer to work under konqueror i guess
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19:23<witte>I am not sure, but it would seem logical that konqueror has its own directory
19:24<Dewbie>I have Iceweasel also
19:24<themill>Dewbie: konqi will look for plugins in that dir too
19:24<Dewbie>thx witte
19:24<themill>Dewbie: In konqi, Tools -> Config -> plugins shows you a list of dirs it looks in.
19:25<witte>ah, ok, I was not sure as i do not use it
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19:25<witte>themill: thanks for correcting me ;-)
19:25<themill>witte: konqi has a long list of places it looks. It uses the netscape plugin api to talk to the plugins so it can use lots of different things :)
19:26<themill>witte: I don't use it for browsing either except on the occasional br0ken site that works better under konqi than iw..... ffs!
19:26<TheGardener>would anyone handy with the command line help me out with some basic stuff and maybe ndiswrapper if your feeling bold
19:27<[gloom]>TheGardener: ask
19:27<themill>!general cli tutorial
19:27<dpkg>somebody said general cli tutorial was
19:28<themill>TheGardener: ^^ a good one for learning about the command line
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19:28<TheGardener>gloom: how can i download the newest version of software using the command line... apt-get has some old stuff
19:29<witte>TheGardener: apt-get update;apt-get install <program>
19:29<[gloom]>apt-get will download the sotware from the repositories you have configured under /etc/apt/sources.list. If you need newer software that is not in the debian repos you got 2 options
19:29<[gloom]>1.- change the repos, 2.- download the package from a website
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19:30<TheGardener>gloom: can i download from a website with just the command line
19:30<themill>TheGardener: What version of debian are you using? etch aka 4.0 aka stable?
19:31<witte>TheGardener: why do you think that apt-get won't suffice?
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19:32<TheGardener>etch 2.6.18-5-686 ..... apt-get downloads ndiswrapper v1.2 or 1.9 i believe... i want 1.50
19:32<[gloom]>TheGardener: you can, but answer the questions they're asking you. Maybe they are going to redirect you to some newer repos
19:32<TheGardener>1.9 was wrong
19:32<witte>TheGardener: do you need ndiswrapper? which card do you have?
19:33<TheGardener>i have a TrendNet PCMCIA TEW-421PC H/W B1.1R
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19:34<witte>TheGardener: can you paste the output of lspci in a pastebin
19:34<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:35<TheGardener>i dont understand about this pastebin stuff
19:35<witte>if you go to the site you will be able to paste some text and put it online
19:35<witte>for instance the output of lspci ;-)
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19:37<TheGardener>sorry .... im using two different computers... my debian laptop only has the command line... no GUI
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19:37<themill>!pastebin pipe
19:37<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
19:37<witte>ok, just type the line with the net card here
19:38<[gloom]>themill: hey, i didn't know this:D!
19:38<mediahunter>this channel does not suppory DreamLinux does it
19:38<witte>themill: maybe that script will make TheGardener a bit confused
19:38<witte>mediahunter: no, this channel is not called #debian for nothing ;-)
19:38<themill>witte: agreed.... actually... will you see that card in lspci anyway?
19:38<TheGardener>give me a min
19:38<witte>TheGardener: i think you do?
19:39<witte>that was for themill
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19:39<themill>[gloom]: pastebin pipe used to be even easier, but spammers started using it, so now you need a special script.
19:39<witte>themill: my pcmcia card is recognised in lspci
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19:39<themill>witte: fair enough.... I steer clear of them :)
19:40<witte>themill: if you have a super fantastic laptop such as mine (pre-wifi), you need them :(
19:40<TheGardener>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 80 2.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)
19:41<witte>ok, now we have something
19:41<themill>heh... I have one of them kicking around still.... pita of a thing. damned noisy too.
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19:41<themill>TheGardener: can you give us the line that starts with 02:00.0 from the output of lspci -n
19:42<TheGardener>11ab:1faa (rev 03)
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19:43<themill>no kernel module matches that.... ndiswrapper it is then ;)
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19:44<themill>TheGardener: It's well past my bed time now.... best of luck with it :)
19:44<witte>TheGardener: you were right, you need ndiswrapper
19:44<TheGardener>goodnight and thank you
19:45<TheGardener>witte: so where should I start
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19:45<themill>np ;)
19:45<witte>TheGardener: the version in etch is 1.28, but you said you need 1.50?
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19:46<TheGardener>1.49 worked for me a while ago with another computer ... at the time i had a GUI to get it.... now im just using bash? is it
19:47<TheGardener>i tried the ver. with apt-get and it wouldnt work
19:47<witte>is there a reason 1.28 wouldn't work, and howcome do you not have a gui?
19:48<TheGardener>the command line is easier to work with and it shows you whats going on with your computer
19:48<TheGardener>more so than the flashy overlay of the GUI
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19:49<lavacano201014>damn thing
19:49<TheGardener>i would rather learn the command line first
19:49[~]lavacano201014 just installed this and hasn't fullt configured it
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19:49<witte>ok, I agree, especially when you know what you are doing, cli is better :-)µ
19:49<amphi>TheGardener: good for you ;)
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19:50<TheGardener>i thought i was going to be ridiculed for saying that
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19:50<witte>TheGardener: if you need a newer version of ndiswrapper (but make sure that you know that first) try a simple sid backport
19:51<witte>TheGardener: you would be on #ubuntu :P
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19:51<witte>but this is #debian ;-)
19:51<witte>!simple sid backport
19:51<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
19:53<amphi>TheGardener: I use X, but I spend most of my time in terms ;)
19:53<TheGardener>im not using Ubuntu. and is dpkg a person or a bot
19:53<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
19:53<Gekz>does anyone know a way to hide the lip of an autohidden panel in xfce?
19:53<Gekz>I know it's there, the lip just gets in my way
19:54<TheGardener>dpkg bot?
19:54<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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19:54<TheGardener>that thing is great
19:54<witte>!beer TheGardener
19:54[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for TheGardener
19:54<dpkg>from memory, botspew is what I do when you don't /msg me
19:55<TheGardener>!coffee witte
19:55[~]dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for witte, courtesy of thegardener
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19:55<TheGardener>!what is backporting
19:55<dpkg>TheGardener: I think you lost me on that one
19:56<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
19:56<noflash>!tell TheGardener -about selftell
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19:57<amphi>!comfort TheGardener
19:57<dpkg>There, there, TheGardener. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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20:23<Highlife>Hey guys I'm getting an error while making aircrack-ptw
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20:56<TheGardener> I get this when trying to make distclean in the ndiswrapper-1.50 directory cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build
20:57<TheGardener>can anyone shed some light on this
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21:15<user01>how do i mount cdrom if it doesnt autoload?
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21:18<engkur>hi all
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21:37<antinull>how is everyone?
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21:38<antinull>debian does not like my kvm switch... is there any special commands i can use to make it see my mouse when i switch?
21:40<antinull>also how do i shutdown with just keystrokes? i dont want to hit the reset button to do it lol
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21:41<chealer>antinull: which X session type do you use?
21:42<antinull>i allways forget that lol
21:42<antinull>its the one with the foot print in the top left
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21:43<JasonS>antinull: you really should know its name :)
21:43<antinull>yeah i know
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21:44<xplot>hola alguien me ayuda
21:44<xplot>te go problemas con el firefox
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21:44<antinull>i could give excuses but that would be pointless
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21:45<antinull>well i think im going to ditch my kvm and go with a seperate monitor/keyboard.... that will be a 3rd crt on this desk lol
21:46<cristian_arg>do you have problems with your kvm?
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21:46<seraph>i need a channel op
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21:47<seraph>i need someone to boot whoever is still using my /nick off this server
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21:47<JasonS>seraph: we can't do that, did you register your nick?
21:47<seraph>yeah, an it hasnt logged out from the webcafe i was in, this is my alt. nick
21:48<JasonS>seraph: big deal /msg nickserv help
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21:48<seraph>just makin sure no one is on that nick still, it can't send to this chat
21:48<JasonS>seraph: just ghost it and be done with it
21:49<seraph>im ircnoob
21:49<JasonS>seraph: /msg nickserv help
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21:50<JasonS>a channel op inany case could only kick it from the channel which does nothing to help you
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21:50<s32raph>fixed it, thx = )
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21:51<s32raph>now for actually #debian issue.. = )
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21:52<s32raph>a module says it wants a directory to be linked to my kernel source. 1. which source is it talking about? 2. if it means the one on my hda, where could i find it/
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21:52<chealer>s32raph: if you don't mind, which module?
21:52<cristian_arg>sorry, can i receive some help? it`s about a config of my eth0 under debian running inside a vmware
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21:54<s32raph>luckily i managed to use apt-get install build-essentials instead of recompiling gcc4.1 by hand
21:54<s32raph>ps.. i did download all of those resources.. heh = \ ; )
21:55<s32raph>scarrying trying to build a compiler based on itself by hand.. being a linuxnewb
21:55<s32raph>so basically when i run make distclean it says that the location is not linked to the kernel source and suggests that debian was supposed to have done it already
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21:56<s32raph>basically im not sure which "kernel source" it wants nor how to "link" appropriatly (yet, im reading into it currently)
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22:00<s32raph>anyone know which kernel source ndiswrapper is looking for?
22:01<antinull>so is there a keyboard shortcut to restatrt debian?
22:01<antinull>that doesnt work
22:02<s32raph>i find shortcuts are usually based on sys.conf..
22:02<antinull>is there a default ?
22:02<s32raph>look in your distro/version cheat sheet
22:02<antinull>heh....(god im such a noob at linux)
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22:03<cristian_arg><antinull> do you have debian?
22:03<s32raph>"restart* debian" i would think so..
22:04<s32raph>i got ctrl-i brings up terminal
22:04<engkur>hi all
22:04<s32raph>sudo reboot ; )
22:05<engkur>anyone try live-helper for build debian livecd
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22:07<s32raph>antinull: found somethin sweet
22:07<s32raph>check /etc/inittab, has a line which specifies what ctrl alt del does, apprently you can change it to another shortcut..
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22:08<s32raph>(if we can post links in chat) antinull:
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22:09<s32raph>antinull: lemme know if thats workin out for ya
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22:11<antinull>was wondering
22:12<s32raph>no no, is it helpful?
22:12<s32raph>like it basically lets you map your own shortcut ; )
22:12<antinull>ctrl-i doesnt open terminal for me lol
22:12<antinull>wow i dont like this
22:12<s32raph>well check out the /etc.. look for the comment
22:13<s32raph>can i get a uname -a?
22:13<blue>Hello Peoples,Anybody know any tweaks to increase game perfomance?I have a legacy 76.xxxx with 7.3 xorg.Running debian sid Sidux
22:14<s32raph>is your swapfile on its own partition?
22:14<s32raph>= )
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22:14<s32raph>antinull: uname -a?
22:14<gsimmons>!tell blue -about sidux
22:14<s32raph>!tell antinull type uname -a in console, post output
22:15<blue>gsimmons: thanks
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22:18<antinull>i grabed a usb mouse i had and pluged it in...
22:18<antinull>screw shortcuts lol
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22:28<s32raph>nicely done
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22:28<s32raph>anyone know if debian etch comes with ndiswrapper?
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22:29<kl3pt0>wow, only 2 ops in here?
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22:31<s32raph>hey, thats 2x more ops than /disconnect
22:31<s32raph>= )
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22:32<dli>!tell s32raph about ndiswrapper
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22:40<jay__>Hi I've got gtk installed and I want to start coding for gtk, should I be downloading gtk from and compiling and installing it? Or are those files already provided by some package in ubuntu?
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22:41<dondelelcaro>jay__: your question is best answered by people in #ubuntu on, but most likely it's in libgtk-dev (or libgtk*-dev)
22:43<s32raph>code for debian, after all.. im here ; )
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22:57<jay__>is there a special way to view the docs for package that have "-doc" or packages that stores their documentation in /usr/share/doc/....
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23:00<s32raph>grep _package_ -doc?
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23:00<s32raph>anywho, my time is up here, thank you everyone for your help
23:00<s32raph>cyall soon
23:00<s32raph>= )
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23:01<blue>jay__: you can right click open with
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23:04<chealer>jay__: if you're not using Debian, this is not the place to ask.
23:04<jay__>i mean is there an application that allows u 2 read it. For example ... with konqueror "man:ls" will show the man page for ls
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23:09<chuy_max>hi, how can I stop services like apache, proftp, mysql being started when I boot my PC?
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23:14<chealer>chuy_max: did you check /etc/init.d/README ?
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23:18<evan_>I encounter problems when installing plone-site from debian lenny. `dpkg-reconfigure plone-site` gives the following messages
23:18<evan_>dzhandle zopectl: unknown instance `plone-site'
23:18<evan_>dzhandle remove-product: unknown instance `plone-site'
23:18<evan_>dzhandle make-instance: service user must be specified as user:group
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23:21<commodorelxiv>Hi, I have a problem with the X server. When I type 'X', the screen goes black and everything stops. SysRq+b does nothing.
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23:35<scottknoppix>anyone using opera ????
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23:40<Supaplex>!anyone use opera
23:40<dpkg>No, no one uses opera, not even the people who use it.
23:40<Supaplex>!tell scottknoppix -about smart questions
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