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---Logopened Fri Dec 14 00:00:11 2007
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00:00<deb_noob>I'm presently readin the grub manual to see how to pass those params if you got any other ideas please let me know
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00:01<george>in lilo you say append=
00:01<george>in grub you just put the params at the end of the kernel line
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00:05<deb_noob>I tried to edit the kernal line but the changes don't appear to stay
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00:05<deb_noob>once I exit the edit and return to edit itt again the lines added args are not there
00:06<tarcisio>olá
00:06<tarcisio>como posso resolver ''Você possui 1 pacote quebrado em seu sistema !''
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00:08<deb_noob>Also I tried adding them to the end of thekernal line and selecting boot and it still produces the same result a video mode my monitor doesn't support. Should I try reinstalling debian in expert more?
00:09<deb_noob>I've been at this since 2pm eastern
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00:09<deb_noob>it's more than 9 hours now and I still haven't been able to use anything more than the grub shell
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00:10<deb_noob>I read online for hours before comming here for help
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00:10<deb_noob>I never had this much trouble with fedora or mandrake
00:11<deb_noob>I'm hoping to get debian up and running so I can configure my stuff and start usig it
00:11<deb_noob>but for some reason I can't get by this default video behavior at the end of the boot
00:12<deb_noob>shoul I be looking for gnome solutions? or is there some way I can add a param to grub to allow me to boot without X
00:12<george>first... you realize this is the kernel doing this
00:12<deb_noob>at this point I would be happy to see a console
00:12<george>but second... why debian if it doesn't work?
00:13<deb_noob>I didn't know it wouldn't work until i completed the install
00:13<george>go in and turn off x and boot it
00:13<deb_noob>I've invested 9 hours in debian, and out of all the distro's I want to learn debian
00:14<deb_noob>I can't get in
00:14<deb_noob>I can get to GRUB
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00:15<george>hmm, then you can try editing the kernel line from grub shell
00:15<deb_noob>I don't know how to solve this video problem. When it completes the boot my resolution appears to be one that is not supported cuz it causes my display to sleep
00:15<george>you could try init=/bin/bash
00:15<deb_noob>that would be a start...
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00:16<george>or boot in maintainance mode
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00:16<deb_noob>I know of rescue mode, didn't know there was a maintenance mode
00:16<deb_noob>I have never successfully boot since install
00:17<george>well if yuou're usiong grub there should be two lines in the grub menu
00:17<deb_noob>however when I hit my power button on my tower, the display returns and I can watchthe halt
00:17<deb_noob>there are lines
00:17<deb_noob>2
00:17<deb_noob>oops..
00:18<george>so pick the other one, should ask you for root pw
00:18<deb_noob>I was told to try appending vga=0 to the kernal line
00:18<george>you can try that too
00:18<deb_noob>ait didnt work
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00:18<deb_noob>same result
00:19<george>when you tried booting with the second line?
00:19<kop>I've both libpcap0.7 and libpcap0.8 on my (etch) box. Both were automaticaly installed by aptitude. apt-cache can give me reverse depends, but, for example, both libs reverse depend tcpdump. How do I find out why each lib is on my box, what installed packages caused it to be installed?
00:20<deb_noob>are you referring to the second line as in the second menu option to load single user?
00:21<kop>deb_noob: Your screen goes blank after booting?
00:21<george>deb_noob: right
00:21<deb_noob>where in grub would I add init=/bin/bash at the end of the kernal line?
00:21<deb_noob>yes screen resolution not compatible with my monitor it goes to sleep
00:22<george>well I think your debian install is loading a video module at startup whioch is screwing yuou up
00:22<deb_noob>I agree, I'm using an NVIDIA 5200 card
00:22<kop>deb_noob: You tried using a another virutal console, one without X running? By typing Ctrl-Alt-F1 for example, to get a command line?
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00:22<deb_noob>don't know what module it loaded at install
00:22<george>a framebuffer one maybe
00:23<deb_noob>tried that Kop, I can't seem to change to console when the video goes screwy
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00:23<kop>deb_noob :-(
00:24<deb_noob>so fb=800x600 for example?
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00:25<deb_noob>so if I wanted to use vga=0 or fb=800x600 do I just add those to the end of the kernal line?
00:25<deb_noob>I can't seem to figure out how to make it keep the changes
00:26<kop>deb_noob : It won't, unless you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
00:26<deb_noob>ok
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00:26<kop>deb_noob : Yes, at the end of the kernel line.
00:26<deb_noob>ok well I'll try this again
00:27<deb_noob>if I can at least get to bash, whats the name of an IRC client I can use
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00:27<kop>deb_noob : A live cd might be your friend.
00:27<deb_noob>any recommendations?
00:27<kop>deb_noob : Boot from cd, mount your filesystems and chroot into your root fs. Then make fixes.
00:27<deb_noob>on a live D
00:28<deb_noob>provided I know what fixes to make
00:28<george>or a live c
00:28<deb_noob>:)
00:28<deb_noob>my keyboard needs a cleaning
00:28<george>are you dual booting
00:29<kop>deb_noob : Right. Be sure to exit the chroot and then unmount your filesystems so they are left clean and don't have to be checked at next boot.
00:29<deb_noob>at the moment, I didn't think I would have trouble getting it started
00:29<george>or is this a separate machine
00:30<deb_noob>CCan you recommend a live CD, I'll use that so I at least have access to my root
00:30<kop>deb_noob : But the install worked, you got video. So it can be fixed.
00:30<chealer>kop: you could check dpkg's logl.
00:30<chealer>s/logl/log/
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00:30<kop>deb_noob : There's a debian-live project, or knoppix.
00:31<kop>deb_noob : I think the install cd might boot in rescue mode. You might need the full install cd, or maybe the net-install cd will do. (Worth a try.)
00:31<deb_noob>ok well with any luck I'll be back here and finanlly get this video issue fixed tonight for the moment I'll explore with a live CD
00:32<deb_noob>I have the Debian DVD
00:32<kop>deb_noob : That should work. Pay attention to the boot screen and it'll tell you what to do.
00:32<deb_noob>ok thanks
00:32<deb_noob>see you guys in a bi
00:32<deb_noob>bit
00:32<deb_noob> :)
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01:33<tyler_>hey
01:33<tyler_>whats up?
01:33<tyler_>any hot chicks in here?
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01:34<tyler_>huh?
01:34<tyler_>any babes with msn and a webcam?
01:34<tyler_>lol
01:34<tyler_>any?
01:34<tyler_>hello
01:34<tyler_>anyone online?
01:34<tyler_>huh?
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01:37<simonrvn>...
01:37<simonrvn>"moron has left the channel"
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01:41<deb_noob>I'mback
01:43<deb_noob>I managed to get into console and checked the X11 Conf files and it identified my monitor correctly but my Vid card was configured as Vesa Generic. Is there a configuration app for X ?
01:44<deb_noob>for those that are not familiar, I installed and booted to 4.0 Etch and my video was not configured correctly so I can't get into X
01:45<george>deb_noob: for now what you ought to do is make it so that x is not started at boot, and work on networking
01:45<george>once you have that
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01:47<george>get a text-based irc client
01:47<george>come here
01:48<george>it will be helpful to have your debian running
01:48<george>maybe your networking is already set up?
01:49<deb_noob>I do believe it is working correctly I was able to browse
01:49<george>ok
01:49<deb_noob>do you know of any text-base irc clients included with debian?
01:49<george>so your debian install is working except for a little piece :)
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01:49<deb_noob>basically yes
01:50<george>you can try bitchx, irssi, ircii
01:50<deb_noob>Thought bitchx was only for X
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01:50<george>xbitchx is :)
01:51<simonrvn>!bitchx
01:51<dpkg>bitchx is probably a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS"
01:51<deb_noob>thought so...I've used linux before but had to go back to windnows for a few years due to my employment
01:52<george>they made you reformat your hd?!
01:52<deb_noob>thanks
01:52<deb_noob>no
01:52<deb_noob>did not reformat...
01:52<deb_noob>ok, well I'll see you in a few minutes
01:53<deb_noob>here's a dumb question ... I forget how to shutdown X from console.
01:53<deb_noob>do I do stop X
01:54<deb_noob>or something similar
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01:54<deb_noob>or change runlevel
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01:54<george>oh deb runlevels are all the same (by default)
01:54<deb_noob>but isn't runlevel 5 without X
01:55<deb_noob>just can't remember the correct way to shutt down the GUI from console
01:56<george>what did you do just this last time?
01:56<deb_noob>didnt shut it down...managed to get into a console with ctrl alt F2
01:57<deb_noob>sometimes my shift sticks so I wasnt able to ctrl-alt
01:57<deb_noob>as I said, gotta take apart my keyboard and clean it or get a new one
01:58<deb_noob>ok well I'll see you in a bit
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02:30<deb_noob>ACK
02:31<deb_noob>I can't locate any IRC clients in debian and am not sure what to install with the apt or if I even can
02:31<deb_noob>I know the network works
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02:31<Staz>deb_noob : irssi
02:31<deb_noob>I do not know how to shutdown gnome and X from the console or how to configure my Nvidia 5200 FX video card
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02:32<deb_noob>sorry apparently not installed
02:32<deb_noob>tried that and ircII ircii irssi
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02:32<Staz>'aptitude install irssi' then :)
02:32<deb_noob>sounds like a plan
02:32<deb_noob>I got a better plan. yes or no question
02:32<deb_noob>is there a configuration tool for the X that comes preinstalled in debian
02:33<deb_noob>or do I have to manually edit the conf file to get my video card working
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02:34<Staz>Download an nvidia driver, install it
02:34<deb_noob>thats all I have to do?
02:34<Staz>sure
02:34<deb_noob>can I do that with apt? or do I have to download it and manually install it
02:34<deb_noob>I wish I knew that a few hours ago
02:35<deb_noob>thanks
02:35<Staz>'aptitude search nvidia' maybe
02:35<deb_noob>so, do I have to install it manually or can I do it with apt
02:35<Staz>I usually grab the one on their website
02:35<deb_noob>i'm new to apt
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02:36<deb_noob>so if I grab the one on their website, how hard is it to install
02:36<deb_noob>once I get X going I'll be able to at least use irc and firefox
02:36<Staz>heh
02:37<deb_noob>I dont remember all my console commands
02:37<deb_noob>been a long time since I installed fedora 4
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02:39<Staz>http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.19.html <-- try that
02:42<deb_noob>checking that out now
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02:45<deb_noob>one last question
02:45<deb_noob>which xconfig file do i have to edit /etc/x11/ ??
02:45<Staz>/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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02:46<Staz>if you are lucky you won't need to touch it :P
02:46<cievo>all...hello
02:46<cievo>all...can someone look at http://www.network.sk/hdc.txt if he/she sees any up-comming problem with this disk.
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02:49<deb_noob>I wouldn't count on luck at this point.
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02:53<sep>deb_noob, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure X, Personaly i dont use the nvidia installer, since there are easier, and less messy methods in debian.
02:53<sep>!nvidia
02:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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02:53<sep>that page is nice to read, gives you the options you have, and the pros and cons of each
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03:02<deb_noob>Thanks Sep
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03:09<agus>somebody knows if it is posible make work properly cedega on an etch stable???
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03:10<agus>when i try to install some lib from unstable ask me to update to unstable, more and less
03:11<agus>I say no, and I reinstall cedega, but from aptitude, no whith dpkg, and that solve de dependence, withe better points
03:12<agus>the thing is, that games I try crash
03:12<agus>any knowledge?
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03:50<dmytro>hello ppl :-)
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04:02<Nsaneice>Do I really need 3 DVDs to start running Debian?
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04:05<Icekiller>Nsaneice why
04:05<Icekiller>3 ?
04:06<Icekiller>1 dvd with kk exploit
04:06<Icekiller>1 cd with gentoo live cd
04:06<Icekiller>to install debian
04:06<Icekiller>then 1 SDA loader cd
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04:14<Nsaneice>I was just looking at the "Getting Debian" section and there were 21 isos in the CD torrent section and three isos in the DVD torrent section...
04:15<Nsaneice>like is DVD 1 install, 2 packages, 3 docs?
04:17<dmytro>1st DVD is enough to install KDE or Gnome
04:17<dmytro>and has all essencial packages to work
04:18<Nsaneice>good stuff
04:18<dmytro>even more than base installation
04:18<Nsaneice>thank you
04:18<sep>Nsaneice, debian have a shitload of included software. but unless you have some wierd needs you usualy only need the first one.
04:19<dmytro>also you may want do download netinst iso whick gets aabout 400 Mb
04:19<dmytro>its iso has also minimal working environment to get started to work woth Debian in Xfce wm
04:20<dmytro>but its iso hasnt KDE or Gnome
04:20<Nsaneice>eh, I should be able to build them
04:20<Nsaneice>or just keep Xfce
04:20<sep>Nsaneice, most people boot from the netinstall cd, then dl just the packages they need when they need them
04:21<Nsaneice>the netinst is 163 MB, btw
04:21<Nsaneice>i386
04:21<dmytro>after downloading 400Mb netinst iso - you still have opportunity to install the rest of debian via same mirror u used
04:21<dmytro>sorry
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04:22<Nsaneice>nah its fine, just letting you know
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04:22<dmytro>as for me - i installed KDE ebian via network myself
04:23<dmytro>i havents any DVD or CD set at all
04:23<Nsaneice>:) back to Linux after using Mandrake in 2004 on an old Dell laptop
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04:24<Nsaneice>I am going to go for KDE so I can see what KDE4 is all about when it comes around
04:24<dmytro>installation takes about an hour (network speed 256 kb/s)
04:24<dmytro>KDE 5 as i heard soon`ll be available
04:24<deb_noob>well I'm back
04:25<Nsaneice>I have ~120 kB/s going
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04:25<deb_noob>Thanks to everyone who helped, after reconfiguring my Xserver all is well
04:25<dmytro>but maybe 5th version is not stable as 4th (KDE)
04:26<deb_noob>can anyone recommend a really nice IRC client for gnome?
04:26<dmytro>as newest Gnome buggy .. than Debian using
04:28<dmytro>im using irssi wich isnt mouse handled :)
04:28<dmytro>XChat suits for Gnome though
04:29<deb_noob>I just launched the APT updater in gnome and found it quite difficult to manoeuver
04:29<deb_noob>it says there are a couple of updates to install
04:30<deb_noob>also I have other DVDs in the debian collection and wanted to explore the packages. whats the easiest way to explore and install them
04:30<Nsaneice>APT should ask for them or go to the net
04:30<dmytro>u may choose between installation updates. Not essential to install ALL updates available
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04:31<deb_noob>I understand that, I had to figure out how to install bitchX cuz I had no IRC client installd
04:32<deb_noob>there are other apps I want to install and I did download the full 3 DVD set
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04:32<dmytro>if u using Etch - a Sarge pckgs not compatible
04:32<deb_noob>but I was not asked to insert the other DVD's when I installed. is there an easy way o explore the apps on them?
04:33<deb_noob>I'm using Etch 4.0r1
04:33<dmytro>synaptic ..
04:33<dmytro>:-/ though
04:33<zuup>I'm running sid and X (gnome) is hanging (xorg uses 100% cpu) after launching pidgin and switching virtual screens - is this a known problem?
04:33<deb_noob>So APT will ask for the CDs or download them from the net as I choose the apps from its list
04:35<dmytro>100percents ?! Wow ! As i know Gnome is a lightweight WM.
04:35<zuup>very funny.. not
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04:35<chandu>Hi
04:35<chandu>How can I clear the Framebuffer messages
04:36<dmytro>if you choosing net - u`ll get a newest available pckge
04:36<deb_noob>now that I got debian installed and gnome going I'm thinking about switching to KDE
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04:37<isia>hallo
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04:39<isia>.
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04:41<isia>are here some peoples?
04:42<petemc>if you have a question about debian, just ask it
04:42<isia>bitte auf Deutsch
04:43<petemc>this is an english speaking channels, there are debian channels for other languages on freenode
04:43<dli>!tell isia about de
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04:45<ubuntu>hi every body
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04:58<chandu>how to clear the framebuffer
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05:06<zuup>I'm running sid+gnome and xorg hangs after changing virtual screens a couple of times.. any ideas?
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05:14<stevem_>Lo folks, what does 'dpkg' (the bot) say about getting Flash to work on debian x64 IceWeasel?!? :D
05:14<stevem_>!dpkg flash x64
05:14<stevem_>obviously nothing :(
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05:15<dmytro>!dpkg flash x64
05:15<chandu>How to clear the Framebuffer messages
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05:19<thctlo2>hi, i want a server which uses nss-ldap to get its users from an other server, this is ok, now i want my users to login with telnet and only for telnet, is this possible, or do i need a local ldap to set pam auth correctly
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05:22<thctlo2>nobody awak yet... all night people here :-) LoL
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05:24<dmytro>i`ve got up !
05:24<thctlo2>good morging the to you :D
05:24<dmytro>:-) nice, thanks ...
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05:25<thctlo2>do you know something about ldap/nss and pam modules
05:25<dmytro>never used telnet... sorry
05:26<thctlo2>wel no problem, ill google a bit more and try again in..
05:26<dmytro>however using Debian for 4 years
05:26<thctlo2>i already made 1 big mistake.. was unable to login.. .. me is using debian for about 8 years now..
05:26<thctlo2>and still leaning.
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05:27<dmytro>u may wait a bit - untill all ppls wake up.. maybe smbody help u
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05:27<thctlo2>yeah, thats what im going to do. :D .. they first need some sleep.. :D
05:27<thctlo2>then when they are nicely rested, they can help me :-)
05:28<dmytro>yeah - a Debian is a great distro - takes a lot of time to get to know smthing about it
05:28<thctlo2>mwah, sort of, you just need to know the tricks..
05:29<dmytro>a lot of years .. till u get scater to live in the world..
05:30<thctlo2>thats for sure.. , wil , back to work again.. .. working with 6 servers here.. all debian :D
05:30<dmytro>i hope they~re all Etch
05:30<thctlo2>yep all Etch
05:30<dmytro>or woody ?
05:31<dmytro>ok
05:31<thctlo2>all etch, i always upgrade distros when needed, i go with the flow .( stable )
05:31<thctlo2>i only have 2 programes from sid, .. Cupsys and Samba
05:32<thctlo2>but recomiled.
05:32<dmytro>yes, Etch not supporting pckgs from older distros
05:33<thctlo2>i have a lot here.. samba/PDC+ldap + ldap replications, + mail solutions + antispam + databases server etc. . lots to things, its nice work/hobbie-ing.. AND getting paided for it.
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05:34<dmytro>as 4 me - it is hobbie
05:35<thctlo2>just make it your work and you have always fun when working.. at least i have..
05:35<dmytro>our offics works under win@&*$#
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05:35<thctlo2>i only have XP for workstations, all other just debian.
05:35<shevek>I've used gdm to set up my locale, but when I use ssh it doesn't transfer with it. That wouldn't be so bad if I can at least set the locale on the system where I ssh to. How is that done?
05:36<thctlo2>dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales i think.
05:36<shevek>On the target, I suppose? I don't really have a problem making it the system default, but shouldn't it be possible to do it for my user only?
05:36<thctlo2>i suggest you choose en-US 8859-1
05:36<shevek>Why?
05:37<thctlo2>most commen , us use en-US-UTF-8
05:37<thctlo2>you want only for 1 use a other locales,
05:39<shevek>Sorry, I have problems parsing that... Could you please rephrase it? :-)
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05:40<thctlo2>, chech here http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html and http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/maint/Maintenance-sysadmin.html
05:40<thctlo2>check first link, then solution on 2e link
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05:45<shevek>Ok, thanks
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06:08<indu>hi all
06:08<indu>I have installed gnome-baker from debian etch and when ever an empty Cd is inserted
06:08<indu>it detects and asks whthere to ignore the cd or make data cd or audio cd
06:09<indu>but when I select make data cd or audio cd, it just shows a message like
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06:09<indu> burn:/// is not a valid location
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06:09<indu>what must be the problem ?
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06:21<streuner>indu: can you show us that in a screenshot or similar?
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06:22<indu>streuner, how can i send the screenshot
06:22<streuner>imageshack.us
06:22<streuner>or show us the (whole) error in paster bot
06:22<streuner>!paste
06:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
06:23<streuner>Isnt gnome-baker out of Debian?
06:24<streuner>no
06:25<streuner>indu: what does "cat /proc/version" say, btw?
06:26<streuner>indu: did you try "k3b" yet?
06:26<indu>streuner, k3b works fine enough
06:26<streuner>why not just use that then?
06:26<indu>streuner, but i want to know why this is happening in gnome-baker
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06:27<indu>streuner, here is the screenshot
06:27<indu>http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotpu7.png
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06:30<foss>hi everybody
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06:32<foss>is there anyway to get/generate the log-file of any kind of file deletion from the gnome?any idea or any tools?
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06:33<indu>streuner, have u seen the screenshot ?
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06:39<indu>streuner, any ideas ?
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06:40<pellet>Hi, I'm in a bit of trouble and can figure any working solution to my problem. So you're pretty much my hope right now. :)
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06:41<pellet>I got a machine that won't boot properly after a crash and I need to copy files from that machine, booting on a rescue-cd but can only get in to busybox.
06:41<pellet>anyway I can copy files over network in busybox?
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06:47<indu>which package in debian is responsible for generating the file /proc/version ?
06:48<themill>indu: nothing is, that's part of the kernel
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06:49<indu>thankyou themill
06:49<themill>np
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06:53<yark>Hello, my install gets stuck on Select and install software, my only choice was Standard System. 18% Retrieving file 91 of 91. Should I wait more or should I do something different?
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07:03<sugarmice>Any Debian-mips users around?
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07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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07:32<padski>www.debian-administration.org says: Server On Fire!
07:32<padski>The load upon this server is currently too high to service your request, so it has been denied in the interests of security.
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07:50<liorc>How can I enable sub-pixel hinting in debian\KDE? The checkbox is unaccessible. Is it because of Microsoft patenting issues?
07:53<thctlo2>hi, i want a server which uses nss-ldap to get its users from an other server, this is ok, now i want my users to login with telnet and only for telnet, is this possible, or do i need a local ldap to set pam auth correctly
07:54<ifvoid>thctlo2: just adjust /etc/pam.d/telnet
07:55<ifvoid>thctlo2: ie, only put the ldap config in the telnet file
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07:58<thctlo2>ok thanx, i'll try
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08:00<thctlo2>hmm, auth.log is saying im using login , not telnet.. but when i change login it affecting the whole server, other sugestion? ( btw, telnet us started by openbsd-inetd )
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08:02<ifvoid>hmm
08:02<thctlo2>i tried in.telnetd also already
08:03<ifvoid>yeah, telnetd is probably using login for the actual login process
08:03<ifvoid>I'm not sure how to handle this
08:03<ifvoid>why do you only want to allow telnet login anyway?
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08:04<thctlo2>its used for your database application
08:04<ifvoid>uh?
08:04<thctlo2>but i want to separate the users ..ldap => telnet only , unix for server managers.
08:04<thctlo2>im running progress database server on my debian server.
08:05<thctlo2>with special software for the client.
08:05<ifvoid>is it really imperative that they can't login?
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08:06<ifvoid>you could probable restrict the commadns they can execute
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08:06<ifvoid>wouldn't that suffice?
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08:08<thctlo2>ill look in to this.
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08:16<pengol>hi there is there a netinst image for testing available somewhere?
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08:31<kop>How would I use nc to read and write from a Unix socket on one side and a TCP connection on the other? (Basically I want to extend a Unix socket over a network.)
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08:43<padski>how to colourise the output of apt-listbugs on the console ?
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08:43<dmytro>im back
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08:48<padski>kop: is socat any help ?
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08:52<andrej>hello!
08:53<kop>padski : I think that'll do it! Thanks.
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08:53<dmytro>hello
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08:54<dmytro>kak dela
08:54<andrej>i have a samsung ml-2010pr printer and i want to install it but i don't know on which port is it how can i find it ?
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08:55<screenn>hi
08:55<kop>andrej: Which port? What is the interface?
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08:57<andrej>kop: i it on debian on usb ... or what do you mena?
08:57<andrej>mean ?
08:57<kop>andrej : Try lsusb.
08:58<kop>andrej : I'm not very usb savvy. Wouldn't udev create a /dev/lp0 or something automatically? (just curious.)
08:59<andrej>kop: it finds me my mouse and my ext hdd other is Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
08:59<andrej>kop: dont know :D
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09:00<kop>andrej : If it does not show up in lsusb that means to me that the kernel is not detecting it. You may need to use a newer kernel, one with a driver for your printer.
09:00<andrej>kop: i need an url to locate my device if i want to install it with wissard
09:01<andrej>i have a driver for my printer on this kernel installed i just can't my printer
09:01<kop>andrej : A "Bus" usb device is the usb bus itself (or an extension hub.)
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09:02<kop>andrej : Does "lsmod" show your driver loaded as a module? If not, you might try modprobe. (But udev is _supposed_ to do that stuff for you. You might need to write a udev rule to make it automatic. I'm not super clear about how to do that either.)
09:05<andrej>kop: thx i'll try to digg sth up.
09:06<andrej>do you know thow to autorun or instal ***.sh ?
09:08<xiao>does anyone use mplayer1.0rc2 under xorg7.3? I can't adjust brightness and etc in XV mode.
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09:11<edthefox>andrej: have you tried to run "tail /var/log/messages" right after you plugged it in to your usb?
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09:14<themill>or "tail -f /var/log/messages" and then plug in your usb
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09:15<cyrax>has anyone noticed that the sizes of the windows in the taskbar (gnome and KDE) keep changing everytime? It is quite distracting.
09:16<padski>cyrax: huh ?
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09:18<padski>!kerberos
09:18<dpkg>i guess kerberos is a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/, or not so well supported in debian, or getting better slowly in debian woody/sid
09:18<cyrax>when you open a window they have a "footprint" (is it the correct term?) on the taskbar (panel @ the bottom)
09:19<padski>cyrax: in a pager ?
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09:19<cyrax>I am sorry, but I cannot get the right term here.
09:19<cyrax>if you click on this footprint it either raises or minimises the windows.
09:19<padski>cyrax: on kde there is "desktop preview and pager" and "taskbar"
09:20<azeem>cyrax: maybe you should qualify "keep changing everytime"
09:20<padski>cyrax: if you right click on the handle you will see what it is
09:20<azeem>everytime you do what?
09:20<edthefox>I think he's talking about the size of the handle on the taskbar
09:20<cyrax>umm
09:20<cyrax>edthefox, yes.
09:20<azeem>cyrax: also, are you sure this is an issue you should bother the Debian support channel with?
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09:21<cyrax>azeem, I noticed this only in Debian. KDE and Gnome. I am not saying that it is a bug btw.
09:21<azeem>you still haven't really explained what "this" is
09:21<cyrax>I just wanted to know if I did something wrong with my installation.
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09:22<edthefox>cyrax: the fact that you see a task bar in pretty good indication that your installation was successful
09:22<edthefox>*is
09:23<cyrax>"this" = Say I open a new webpage in iceweasel for some weird reason all the handles on the taskbar expand and then settle for some new size.
09:23<padski>yeah, be grateful! ;-)
09:23<azeem>cyrax: it's because the title on the task bar entry gets set to the title of the webpage
09:23<ifvoid>cyrax: it's also configuarble in the taskbar settings
09:23<ifvoid>cyrax: whether or not you want them to have a fixed size and such
09:24<cyrax>ifvoid, I see.
09:24<cyrax>ifvoid, thanks for that.
09:24<edthefox>cyrax: once you get settled in with debian, you shold try xfce, it's very light weight and practical
09:24<cyrax>sorry for bothering you guys with a stupid question.
09:24<ifvoid>there are no stupid questions ;)
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09:25<edthefox>cyrax: your not bothering me, i's just sipping coffee at work
09:25<padski>ifvoid: why is that ? ;-)
09:25<ifvoid>heh
09:25<cyrax>edthefox, you seem to read my mind. I've noticed that both KDE and Gnome seem to be running pretty slow on a P4 + Geforce 5200fx system
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09:25<edthefox>cyrax: eh, gnome and kde are HUGE, and they use resources
09:26<ifvoid>cyrax: I think the amount of memory is most important for running kde/gnome
09:26<cyrax>edthefox, ifvoid I have 512MB RAM
09:26<ifvoid>You'll need 1GB, I guess (although 512MB will probably be ok)
09:27<ifvoid>particularly firefox and OOo are memory hogs
09:27<edthefox>cyrax: i dont even use a window manager
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09:27<dmytro>i use blackbox
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09:28<edthefox>cyrax: I use windows and ssh into my debian machine if i need anything that linux can handle
09:28<cyrax>ifvoid, that sounds pretty bad considering that I can run XP on the same machine pretty smoothly. I wanted to dump XP and I started looking @ other distros. I noticed one thing that I could play 720p video files pretty smoothly on XP in VLC. However I get "filled up the buffer" in almost all of the media players on Debian.
09:29<kooll>is there a way to keep a machine 'responsive enough' even when a lot of process use cpu/disk/mem and anything ? I tried (on a 2.6.19 kernel) to see what would happen if I compile the last kernel tree with 'make -j', and it's ... quite bad
09:29<cyrax>edthefox, I live in South Korea and unfortunately the internet banking here requires that I use Internet Exploder + ActiveX controls. Pretty lame but unavoidable.
09:30<ifvoid>kooll: how much memory do you have?
09:30<ifvoid>cyrax: I agree, and luckily people are working on the issues
09:30<edthefox>cyrax: totally understandable, in fact I work at a bank
09:30<kooll>ifvoid: 2GB
09:30<ifvoid>cyrax: the next kde will use much less memory, for example
09:30<cyrax>ifvoid, it better use lesser memory. This is painful.
09:31<ifvoid>cyrax: but firefox and OOo are such monstrous beasts that's it's pretty hard to clean them up, I guess
09:31<cyrax>I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to avoid installing the proprietary drivers from NV
09:31<ifvoid>kooll: hmm
09:31<ifvoid>kooll: IME, recent kernels (after 2.6.15 or so) have pretty decent interactive behaviour
09:31<cyrax>ifvoid, I remember a time when I noticed that firefox was lighter than IE.
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09:32<kooll>ifvoid: well .. you aren't trying to crash them :)
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09:32<kooll>I am, and I think it's a bit too easy currently
09:33<ifvoid>kooll: how many build processes is it running?
09:33<cyrax>ok guys, thanks for the help. It's time for me to go drinking... Hmm Glenfiddich 18yrs here I come.
09:33<kooll>'as much as the machine can handle ... and a bit more than that'
09:33<cyrax>good bye and have a nice weekend.
09:33<edthefox>kooll: your solution is easy, quad core! thats the answer!! hahahaha
09:33<kooll>-j without parameters spawn as much as it can
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09:33<kooll>edthefox: I can crash that to
09:33<kooll>o
09:33<ifvoid>kooll: well, for mortal users it's pretty easy to restrict the number of processes they can run and the amount of memory they can use
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09:34<kooll>ifvoid: sure, that's a solution (except I tried that as root, in order to be really effective :) )
09:34<edthefox>kooll: you said _responsive enough_ not unbreakable .... everything is crashable
09:35<ifvoid>kooll: heh
09:35<kooll>edthefox: but running programs on an OS should not 'break' things
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09:36<edthefox>kooll: how many processes are running?
09:36<kooll>I don't know
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09:36<edthefox>are you ther now
09:36<kooll>as I said, the machine stopped answering by now
09:36<icks>hi there
09:37<kooll>I know that the kernel is still doing things, cause it can answers to ping
09:37<kooll>but it's not doing much more than that
09:38<kooll>I wonder how many time it would need to 'recover'
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09:38<kooll>(my goal was to overload the system to provoke hardware failures, and the hardware is still fine, so the test is ok)
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09:39<kooll>but I am now wondering 'how could the software resist to that'
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09:49<Riggy>Hi
09:49<Gekz>I have an SSD and was wondering what the most written to parts of the system there are
09:49<Gekz>so I could tmpfs mount them
09:50<Riggy>my system, is stuck on a grey screen?
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09:52<Riggy>is anyone here?
09:53<icks>i guess the answer is in the logs..
09:53<petemc>Riggy: does ctl alt f1 get you to a login screen?
09:54<Riggy>well i get to the login enter my details then it comes uo with that thing saying loading each different thing
09:55<Riggy>then it comes up with a grey screen
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09:56<icks>have you tried logging in with a system-default-session?
09:56<Riggy>no, how do i do that?
09:57<icks>at the login screen there should be some "session"-button at the lower corner of the screen
09:59<Riggy>ok doing that now
10:00<Riggy>nope still got that grey screen
10:01<icks>hmm, you should have a look at the logs then
10:02<Riggy>how do i do that?
10:02<Riggy>im sorry but i have little knowledge of linux
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10:04<icks>log in using a textmode console (<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1> should get you one). first thing to look at could be /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or you could try starting x manually using startx and look at the output
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10:06<icks>another question to the channel: what would be the /right/ way to get the forward-/backward-buttons of my mouse to work with iceweasel and the like in debian? should i use xvkbd and manually configure it, or is there some package that could do this for me?
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10:07<avtobiff>icks, configure your xorg.conf
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10:07<WildOS>I've got a computer with Intel Q965 chipset and GMA 3000 graphix card. What drivers do I need to enable dual screens? I am using debian with kernel 2.6.22
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10:08<icks>avtobiff: ok.. xev tells me back/forward are mapped to buttons 8/9, which ones would be the correct ones? ;)
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10:08<avtobiff>that would be the correct ones
10:09<Riggy>it says server is already active displaying 0
10:09<kop>WildOS : Possibly just turn xinerama on in xorg.conf? (And tell it about the 2nd monitor etc.) Dunno.
10:09<Riggy>conection to :0.0 refused by server
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10:10<Riggy>invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 KEy
10:10<avtobiff>Riggy, you have to detach x from the display frst
10:10<WildOS>kop: is there a gui based configuration manager or something?
10:10<avtobiff>Riggy, try grep (EE|WW) /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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10:10<icks>avtobiff: ok, and how do i tell iceweasel to react in some way when i press them?
10:11<avtobiff>icks, that i dont know...
10:11<avtobiff>i think it just does
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10:11<avtobiff>icks, i have Option "Buttons" "8" in my xorg.conf
10:11<avtobiff>and it just works.
10:11<avtobiff>(tm)
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10:11<icks>hm :(
10:11<icks>avtobiff: stable, testing or unstable?
10:11<avtobiff>lenny
10:11<avtobiff>with an apple mighty mouse
10:11<avtobiff>and Driver "evdev"
10:12<Riggy>its telling me permission denied but im SU
10:14<kop>WildOS : Dunno. The install does some autodetection and comes up with a config. If that does not do it for you I've seen others, but am not really the one to ask and am busy right now. Sorry.
10:14<WildOS>Thanks =)
10:15<avtobiff>Riggy, are you root?
10:15<Riggy>yes
10:15<avtobiff>Riggy, how do you quit x?
10:15<kop>WildOS (dpkg-reconfigure)
10:16<Riggy>not a clue
10:16<avtobiff>do you have a display manager running? (gdm, kdm, xdm etc)
10:16<avtobiff>Riggy, try ps ax
10:16<Riggy>did that and got a load of numbers and tty1 etc
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10:17<avtobiff>Riggy, try ps ax | grep dm
10:17<avtobiff>then try /etc/init.d/whateverdm stop
10:17<avtobiff>that will stop the dm and x
10:17[~]screenn is away: the person has departed far
10:18<Riggy>done that
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10:26<Riggy>ok now my screen is orange with a load of \'s everywhere
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10:27<Riggy>gone off now
10:27<WildOS>Ok, I got both of my monitors working, but they are cloned.. how do I get one of the screens as an extended desktop?
10:27<WildOS>anyone?
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10:27<Riggy>setting up my own server was not the best idea i have ever had
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10:31<vook>WildOS: I did this I while back - and may have the commented settings still in my xorg.conf file - I'll check...
10:31<thctlo2>hi i need help with a ldap, im unable to login with ldap users, getent passwd displays all my users in the ldap. same ldap is used for samba logons, this works fine, now im trying to logon with ssh on this server with one of the ldap users but unable to login, someone got a hint.
10:32<thctlo2>please ? ;-)
10:32<vook>WildOS: try adding these lines to your xorg.conf file under "Device"
10:32<vook> Option "TwinView"
10:32<vook> Option "TwinViewOrientation" "leftof"
10:33<vook>It'll slow things down though if you don't have a fast card (twice as much GPU use)
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10:38<Riggy>does anyone know a good clear tutorial to setup a server on Debian 4.0?
10:38<percy>fetid, ...
10:38<vook>Riggy: what kind of server?
10:38<Riggy>i have tried the one on howto forge and its just not working i cant get a domain to go to my ip
10:38<Riggy>a web server for hosting websites
10:39<WildOS>vook: Thanks =)
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10:39<thctlo2>Riddy, if you follow the howto for for debian etch i works, if done about 10 servers with that howto
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10:39<vook>Riggy: if domains aren't resolving you your IP, that has nothing to do with your server, but actually the DNS servers on the internet.
10:39<petemc>unless the server you're setting up is an authorative dns server, it has nothing to do with getting a domain to an ip..
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10:39<thctlo2>but,..
10:39<thctlo2>hi i need help with a ldap, im unable to login with ldap users, getent passwd displays all my users in the ldap. same ldap is used for samba logons, this works fine, now im trying to logon with ssh on this server with one of the ldap users but unable to login, someone got a hint.
10:39<Riggy>ok
10:40<thctlo2>pam modules are also configured, im running out of options.
10:40<vook>you need to update your domain name with your service provider
10:40<Riggy>i dont know how to get the whole Domain thing working, my computers IP is 192.168.0.135 but when i try and get a domin for this it doesnt work
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10:41<petemc>Riggy: 192.168 addresses arent going to work "on the internet"
10:41<vook>Riggy: you won't be able to access that IP address from the internet, that's a reserved private IP address. All IP addresses that begin with 10.*.*.* 172.16.*.* and 192.168.*.* are for private use only
10:41<thctlo2>Riggy , you better read this first .. http://www.langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/
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10:42<thctlo2>and read this : http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/rfc/
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10:43<Riggy>ok will do
10:43<Riggy>thanks
10:43<vook>Riggy: probably your wireless router or router or whatever is assigning you that IP address. You can configure your router to direct all incoming connections for a certain port to go to a certain internal machine (With a private IP). Much to learn for you :)
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10:44<Riggy>i know.
10:44<thctlo2>but nobody who can help me with me ldap / auth problem ??
10:44<Riggy>this is my 5th try, i keep doing things wrong
10:44<vook>just keep trying
10:44<thctlo2>ah, my first debian server worked after about 20 installations ;-)
10:44<Riggy>so does all connections for a webserver go to port 80?
10:45<thctlo2>depends, ...
10:45<vook>most of the time - unencrypyted ones do. Look at /etc/services.
10:45<thctlo2>normaly yes
10:45<icks>hmm
10:46<Riggy>so my acctual ip is 81.105.56.221?
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10:46<WildOS>vook: is there a command to update the new settings, or do I have to restart?
10:46<Riggy>http://81.105.56.221:80 ahh it works
10:46<Riggy>:D
10:46<WildOS>vook: I mean after editing xorg.xonf
10:46<vook>WildOS: you could log out, then do CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE.
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10:47<WildOS>vook: thanks
10:47<vook>WildOS: assuming you are using a desktop manager. Just logging out may reread it.
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10:48<Riggy>does http://192.168.0.135 work for you?
10:48[~]screenn is back (gone 00:30:39)
10:48<JasonS>it better not Riggy
10:48<Riggy>why?
10:48<Riggy>argh wrong one
10:48<Riggy>sorry
10:49<Riggy>81.105.56.221:80
10:49<petemc>it works!
10:49<JasonS>It works!
10:49<Riggy>good im finally getting somewhere
10:49<JasonS>dont need to specify the port Riggy unless its different
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10:51<themill>!tell screenn about away
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10:56<icks>hmm
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11:01<Riggy>think i sorted my problem with the grey screen
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11:05<Riggy>ok no i havent, its stuck on loading nautilus
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11:07<artagnon>lsmod doesn't display just-installed kernel modules? why? How do I make it re-read the kernel/drivers/ list?
11:07<artagnon>sorry I meant modprobe -l
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11:10<artagnon>ah got it.. depmod. Never mind
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11:14<Brazil>hi
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11:15<Brazil>I beginner
11:16|-|mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
11:16<Brazil>No know english
11:16<JasonS>!br
11:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:16<Brazil>tkz
11:16<Brazil>And I am using windows views but I put the linux
11:16<Brazil>Someone help me?
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11:17<Riggy>im sorry but i dont understand you
11:17<Brazil>sorry
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11:18<Brazil>I am using google translation
11:18<artagnon>hmmm.. I have an Atheros Wireless PCI Express adapter. I downloaded and compiled the necessary kernel modules. I modprobe'd ath_pci and wlan modules but ifconfig and iwconfig still show no indication of the wireless adapter
11:18<Brazil>Riggy I don't speak in english
11:18<Brazil>Okay ?
11:19<artagnon>Brazil: use #debian-br where people will actaully speak your language
11:20<nico>hello all
11:20<Brazil>yes
11:20<dmytro>hico: hello
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11:22<Brazil>Opportunity to learn english and linux here
11:22<nico> i'm a problem for my usb card, it's w54usb (ovislink) and the drivers is rt2500 but iwconfig no wireless grrr
11:23<edthefox>!away
11:23<dpkg>Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
11:23<petemc>nico: do you need firmware for your card?
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11:26<nico>i have install the rt2500 for synatic
11:26<petemc>thats not an answer to my question
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11:28<nico>yes
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11:31<nico>the chipset for my usb key wifi is a ralink
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11:41<lupine>nico: if it's usb, then it's not an rt2500
11:41<lupine>that's a pci chipset
11:42<lupine>so you'll have either the rt2570 or rt73 (2573?) chipset
11:42<lupine>either way, the rt2500 driver will do you about as much good as a chocolate fireguard
11:43<lupine>http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ is where you want to be
11:43<zuup>:q
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11:47<chealer>lupine: RT2570 is also known as RT2500USB. rt2570 is in Debian.
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11:57<lupine>chealer: rt2x00-source is probably the best way to go
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11:58<lupine>it's pretty stable for rt2570, and anything's better than rt73 legacy
11:59<lupine>roll on linux-image-2.6.24
12:00<Icekiller>hm i have a problem with upgrading my kernel
12:00<Icekiller>well i recompiled it
12:00<Icekiller>but it is nagging that it is already installed
12:00<Icekiller>while i changed the packages etc
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12:04<lupine>http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tree;f=drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00 :p
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12:12<Riggy>ok im still getting a grey screen after i log in
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12:14<dmytro>log in what ? Gnome ?
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12:16<Riggy>yeah
12:16<dmytro>try to check write permissions for your home dir and folders there
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12:17<Riggy>how do i go about that?
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12:18<dmytro>what is your home folder name in Debian
12:19<dmytro>or what is your login as user ?
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12:20<Riggy>administrator
12:21<dmytro>1st - you should be root
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12:21<Riggy>at the login shoud i ctr alt f1?
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12:22<dmytro>type in terminal: "chown -R administrator:administrator ./*" under your home folder
12:22<dmytro>ctrl alt F1 (or F2)
12:23<Riggy>done
12:23<dmytro>sudo chown -R administrator:administrator /home/administrator/*"
12:24<Riggy>done
12:24<dmytro>maek its command after u lig in as root
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12:25<dmytro>how`re things ?
12:25<Riggy>it doesnt do anything
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12:26<dmytro>lets consider further in private chat
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12:42<dkr>you don't need to use * when doing something recursively :)
12:43<dkr>oops, didn't notice that was 20 minutes ago.
12:46<dmytro>ok i`ll note that
12:46<dmytro>thanks
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12:49<dkr>I'm all about typing one less character if I can get away with it. heh :)
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12:59<Riggy>Debian is a pain in the arse but i love it
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13:01<N1ghtCrawler>I have a problem, I get premission denied when i tries to access a folder on my harddrive. I'm user and i've tried setting the folder att 777 and still I get premission denied..
13:01<N1ghtCrawler>n1ghtcrawler@ixion:/mnt$ ls -l
13:01<N1ghtCrawler>total 0
13:01<N1ghtCrawler>drw-r--r-- 3 777 root 8 2007-12-10 21:08 vol01
13:01<N1ghtCrawler>umh.
13:01<N1ghtCrawler>i see a problem there..
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13:02<N1ghtCrawler>lol..
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13:03<N1ghtCrawler>when i tried setting premission as 777 instead of owner it was much better..
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13:05<tarrybone>thats a problem i havent seen before :-)
13:06<N1ghtCrawler>got mistaken and tought is was the same command changing owner and premission ><
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13:11<Robinayor_>hello
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13:29<Riggy>is debian my best option for running a server?
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13:32<egypcio>+_+
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14:05<george>Riggy: debian could be a good option depending on your needs
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14:07<george>what you might think about is "what specifically does 'best' mean"
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14:19<KuK0X>hola
14:19<KuK0X>wenas tardes
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14:20<edthefox>!debian-es
14:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:20<simonrvn>he left...
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14:21<edthefox>doh! I was too late =S
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14:26<iori_1304>hi
14:27<iori_1304>is there anybody there?
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14:27<JasonS>nope
14:27<george>nope, but I'm here
14:27<iori_1304>lol
14:28<iori_1304>sorry i was having some problem with installing debian on my laptop
14:28<iori_1304>so i thought maybe i could get some help from the channel
14:28<george>try this:
14:28<george>!ask
14:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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14:29<iori_1304>ok thanks
14:29<pctech>any suggestions for getting flash player on lenny amd64?
14:30<iori_1304>so after i installed the os on my laptop i get an error message saying that it couldn t find the screen..
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14:31<Riggy>how can i find my hardware specs on debian
14:31<amphi>Riggy: lspci for one
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14:32<Riggy>thanks
14:32<rbw>hewwo
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14:34<lupine>rbw: herro
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14:35<minerale>how can I limit the usernames that are allowed to ssh in?
14:35<minerale>ie, I would not want the postgresql user to ssh, although I would like to be able to su as postgres
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14:36<lupine>minerale: you can do it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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14:37<lupine>IIRC
14:37<minerale>is there a minimum uid for that?
14:37<minerale>ie, users uid > 100
14:37<lupine>you have AllowUsers, DenyUsers, AllowGroups, DenyGroups
14:37<minerale>jobs (like postgres) uid < 1000
14:38<lupine>/ctcpslap
14:38<simonrvn>!lart dmytro
14:38[~]dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on dmytro
14:38<lupine>minerale: personally, I would add all the maintainence users to one group and add that group to DenyGroups
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14:38<lupine>DenyGroups doesn't accept UIDs
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14:43<Riggy>how do i find out my motherboard
14:44<qbit>I don't know what your words mean!
14:45<stew>Riggy: try dmidecode
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14:46<Riggy>it isnt working
14:46<simonrvn>open case, look at the mobo
14:46<stew>Riggy: in what sense?
14:46<Riggy>it says command not found
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14:47<stew>Riggy: did you install dmidecode?
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14:47<bighouse>hi
14:47<sdfsdfwer234>hey im having a problem installing debian stable on this POS PC
14:47<sdfsdfwer234>I keep getting install errors at different points during the install
14:48<bighouse>what are the error sdf?
14:48<sdfsdfwer234>let me change my name so it can be easier to msg me
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14:48<helpme>tehre we go
14:48<helpme>ok
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14:49<helpme>this time it failed at trying to install wget
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14:49<helpme>it stopped at the base installation
14:51<stew>helpme: if the installer is failing at different points each time, i'd blame the hardware. you might consider running memtest86+ on it
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14:52<helpme>I tried that
14:52<helpme>came up clean
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14:52<helpme>I think its the hardware as well
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14:52<helpme>becuase I get problems with other distros
14:52<helpme>however
14:52<helpme>Windows runs and installs perfectly
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14:57<helpme>anyone got any ideas?
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14:58<bighouse>yeah first off, run memtest86+ first. You'll have to let it run a few hours first. If test is ok, come back with the ok answer.
14:59<helpme>i did that
14:59<helpme>at one point, I let it run all night
14:59<helpme>not a single error
14:59<bighouse>ok
14:59<bighouse>than that's good :)
14:59<helpme>:)
14:59<helpme>Its not like this is my first time installing an OS
14:59<helpme>:)
14:59<iori_1304>how to assign automaticaly an ip adress to the computer?
14:59<iori_1304>using ifconfig?
15:00<helpme>DHCP
15:00<helpme>:)
15:00<bighouse>DHCP, usually done by your router
15:00<helpme>and if you want to do it manually
15:01<lupine>dhclient <interface>
15:01<helpme>./etc/network
15:01<helpme>modify interfaces
15:01<lupine>grabs a new lease
15:01<lupine>ip addr (or ifconfig) for manually assigning addresses; /etc/network/interfaces to make your changes persistent
15:02<helpme>if your like me and disable dhcp
15:02<helpme>:)
15:02<lupine>dhcp ftl
15:02<iori_1304>i see thanks for the tipps ^^
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15:02<helpme>its good when grandma buys a computer and an "internet box thing"
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15:03<helpme>so I guess im on my own with this POS computer.
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15:05<bighouse>yeah cant help you, helpme
15:05<helpme>lol
15:05<helpme>anyone got any ideas as to what could be the possible cause of this?
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15:06<helpme>I replaced every component
15:06<helpme>except mobo and CPU
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15:10<[LiT]kisbes>hi all
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15:14<helpme>whats the command to check the uptime of your box?
15:14<saltmiser>uptime?
15:15<saltmiser>uptime
15:15<saltmiser>:P
15:15<helpme>15:21:28 up 55 days, 19:03, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
15:15<helpme>w00t :)
15:15<helpme>if it werent for that blackout we had 2 months ago
15:16<Solver>just never let uptime get in the way of system security or performance :)
15:16<helpme>well
15:16<helpme>its mainly a file server / podcast server
15:16<helpme>and ntp
15:16<helpme>and wins
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15:17<Solver>keep an eye on kernel 'sploits. they can be insidious :)
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15:17<helpme>security isnt that much of an issue for this pc
15:17<helpme>its blocked off from the outside
15:18<helpme>dd-wrt ftw :)
15:18<Solver>that certainly helps. The principal of security in depth tell us to always keep the systems as secure as possible anyway. someone might breech the firewall one day and attack the box
15:19[~]Solver is being the voice of best practice :)
15:19<helpme>yea that could happen
15:19<helpme>in theory
15:19<helpme>but if someone goes through all that trouble to get a copy of my resume
15:19<helpme>then so be it
15:19<Solver>some of them do it for the fun/challenge
15:20<Solver>it generates a lot of work for the poor person left to clean up the mess :(
15:20<helpme>yea
15:20<helpme>which reminds me
15:20<helpme>I need to backup
15:20<helpme>lol
15:20<helpme>hey qucik question
15:20<Solver>i was just going to ask about that ;)
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15:20<helpme>I installed debian base install
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15:21<helpme>is tehre a command I can run that will get all the debian-desktop install files
15:21<simonrvn>that's nice. congrats. did you reboot yet?
15:21<helpme>gnome/openoffice/gaim/iceweasel etc?
15:21<Solver>there should be a package which will catch a lot of the desktop stuff
15:21<helpme>yea its up
15:21<Solver>can't recall the name
15:21<helpme>had an error with aspell and wget
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15:21<helpme>but w/e
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15:21<Solver>helpme: i normally do this by installing a handful of packages that I know will bring alot of stuff in
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15:22<simonrvn>you can always re-run that stuff. aptitude; and tasksel -> desktop task
15:22<Solver>true
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15:22<paxcoder>anyone did netinstall... ever?
15:23<paxcoder>i mean, succesfuly?
15:23<Solver>how do you mean?
15:23<Solver>netinstall cd?
15:23<paxcoder>yeah
15:23<Solver>I do that all the time
15:23<paxcoder>With Debian testing?
15:23<paxcoder>Couldn't get it to boot
15:23<Solver>no, always stable :)
15:23<paxcoder>is that sarcasm? Because they used to laugh at me because I use stable on my desktop.
15:24<Solver>no i'm serious :)
15:24<paxcoder>too bad
15:24<Solver>been years since I used Deb Testing on the desktop
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15:24<paxcoder>you use testing on your desk, or on a server then?
15:24<Solver>this box is Ubuntu 7.04 (I'm on a thin client). most servers are Deb Stable
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15:24<paxcoder>yeah, i know
15:24<paxcoder>don't like Ubuntu
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15:25<Solver>paxcoder: combo of Ubuntu/Deb for servers, ubuntu for desktop
15:25<paxcoder>and if I upgrade, things crash
15:25<paxcoder>Solver: nah, Debian for both - testing for desks, stable for servers:-)
15:25<Solver>i've come to the conclusion that Deb/Ub together give me some of the advantages of a heterogeneous environment while keeping management substantially homogenous
15:25<Solver>paxcoder: :)
15:26<paxcoder>like what?
15:26<Solver>well hetero/homogenous environments is always one of the big questions marks for a sysadmin
15:26<paxcoder>ability to use proprietary software and call free software open software and gnu/linux just linux
15:26<paxcoder>jk
15:27<Solver>I get different packages available - eg there may be commercial Ubuntu support for one, or commercial Deb support for another
15:27<Solver>paxcoder: :)
15:27<helpme>hey
15:27<paxcoder>hey
15:27<helpme>aptitude is weird
15:27<helpme>how do I select desktop environment
15:27<paxcoder>dunno, I use apt-get
15:27<Solver>but since they use the same management system I don't need to deal with 2 different systems for prod boxes
15:27<paxcoder>Stalman made it :-)
15:27<paxcoder>use synaptic for that
15:27<Solver>helpme: you could use tasksel as suggested earlier
15:27<Solver>or synaptic :)
15:28<helpme>brb
15:28<paxcoder>k
15:28<paxcoder>so, back to netinstall, anyone? testing?
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15:28<helpme>why is mail server selected
15:28<helpme>is that normal?
15:29<paxcoder>sometimes
15:29<helpme>I didnt choose to install mail server
15:29<helpme>:(
15:29<Solver>Debian insists on installing an MTA (Exim) or equivalent
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15:29<paxcoder>well, you didn't use gedit either :-P
15:29<helpme>hrmm
15:29<Solver>normally having an MTA installed is desirable for a unix box
15:29<paxcoder>just kidding, you can deselect it :-)
15:29<Solver>so much stuff relies on being able to send email
15:29<helpme>alright
15:29<Solver>you'll still end up with one of the MTAs selected
15:30<helpme>hopefully ill be able to get a full deb-desktop installed succesfully on this POS PC
15:30<Solver>hehehe
15:30<paxcoder>what's a POS?
15:30<helpme>piece of sh*t
15:30<paxcoder>this new Xchat is interesting
15:30<Solver>or point of sale ;)
15:30<paxcoder>(sorry, ot)
15:31<helpme>a PC that runs windows fine but cant run and linux distro
15:31<helpme>thats a POS PC
15:31<Solver>run it as a thin client
15:31<helpme>but I want a full blown desktop
15:31<paxcoder>hmmm
15:31<paxcoder>virtualisation?
15:32<Solver>a thin client makes a POS box connect to a powerful box and act like a powerful desktop
15:32<Solver>LTSP is the best way to do this these days
15:32<Solver>www.ltsp.org
15:32<Solver>for *nix
15:32<helpme>the only other "Power" box I got handy is a pentium 3
15:32<Solver>still better than the POS? :)
15:32<Solver>if so, it is a win
15:32<helpme>the POS is a p4 1.6 GHz
15:33<Solver>oh :)
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15:33<helpme>ydz
15:33<helpme>yea
15:33<Solver>sounds more like the server in this arrangement
15:33<helpme>and my pentium 3 is running
15:33<helpme>15:21:28 up 55 days, 19:03, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
15:33<helpme>with that uptime
15:33<Solver>how much ram on the P4?
15:33<helpme>512
15:33<helpme>DDR
15:33<Solver>should run a modern linux ok but not great
15:34<Solver>you could use a light window manager to boot performance
15:34<helpme>hrmmm
15:34[~]Solver gets concerned he's getting OT
15:34<helpme>I kinda like gnome
15:34<Solver>ok :)
15:34<helpme>xfce is alright
15:34<Solver>alrighy pretty much covers it :)
15:35<helpme>yea
15:35<helpme>hey will debian ship KDE 4 when its released and stable?
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15:37<jthomas>My command 'dd if=/dev/cdrom/ of/cd.iso' isn't working. It says, 0 records in, 0 Records out. I know the CD rom has files tho
15:37<jthomas>and the mount is right
15:38<|HellTiger|>i need an high conf. timer/countdown software with global hotkey support like amarok. any ideas?
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15:40<fpiat_>jthomas, should be: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/cd.iso
15:40<jthomas>thats what i meant
15:40<jthomas>AH dev huh?
15:40<jthomas>ok thanks
15:40<jthomas>unmount it first?
15:41<fpiat_>jthomas, no.
15:41<jthomas>ok thanks
15:41<jthomas>working thanks!
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15:41<fpiat_>jthomas, are you doing it as root ? (or sudo)
15:41<jthomas>neither
15:41<jthomas>should I be??
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15:42<fpiat_>jthomas, not sure. you might need to belong to 'disk' group... let me check
15:42<jthomas>well it seems to be working now
15:43<jthomas>and dd is at the top of top
15:44<fpiat_>jthomas, on my system ls -al /dev/scd0 => "brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2007-12-12 14:23 /dev/scd0"
15:45<fpiat_>jthomas, but so I need to be in cdrom group (which first user is, after installation)
15:45<jthomas>brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2007-12-14 02:25 /dev/hdc
15:45<jthomas>ok
15:45<jthomas>i am first user
15:45<jthomas>so i guess it works for me
15:45<jthomas>good to know tho
15:45<fpiat_>jthomas, you can check by typing "id"
15:46<jthomas>also good to know, thanks!
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15:50<helpme>wow I finnaly got debian stable installed on this PC
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15:52<helpme>I think someone out there at the same time managed to divid by zero
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15:58<bighouse>gg helme!
15:59<helpme>lets see how long I can keep it up and running
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16:00<helpme>WTF
16:00<helpme>my screen just went all black
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16:00<helpme>and I cant get to other tty's
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16:01<helpme>who wants to see a nerd perform a voodoo ritual on his PC?
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16:20<Riggy>hi
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16:22<helpme>hi
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16:55<eim>Is there any way to purge any residual configuration files of all uninstalled packaed from a system via aptitude? Something like aptitude purge `all_packages_with_residual_configurations`? Thanks.
16:56<eim>s/packaed/packages/g
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16:57<jedi1>hi
16:57<jedi1>has any of you installed compiz-fusion?
16:57<seanius>!ask
16:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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16:59<eim>found. Thanks anyway.
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16:59<jedi1>I have installed compiz-fusion from apt-get, I get fusion-icon in my kde, I can launch settings manager and have some effects enabled, but still none of them appear on my desktop
17:00<jedi1>and when I change window manager from kwin to compiz I can't move my windows
17:01<seanius>jedi1: yeah compiz is still not the most stable (both in general and in debian)
17:01<seanius>you could try explicitly loading various plugins on the compiz cmdline and see if that fixes anything
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17:02<Ich_wer_sonst>juten abend
17:02<Ich_wer_sonst>allerseits
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17:02<jedi1>ok thanks seanius I'll try something
17:02<seanius>i.e. compiz --replace decoration move resize gconf
17:02<seanius>if you look in the debian wiki for compiz there's another suggestion on the XSF compiz page
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17:03<jedi1>"Fatal: Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support
17:03<jedi1>Checks indicate that it's impossible to start compiz on your system."
17:03<jedi1>it's my hardware then?
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17:04<CiMaRRoN>alguien habla español
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17:05<ranix>!es
17:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:07<ranix>I am looking for a command-line (maybe framebuffer based?) image/CAD editor. It can be as simple as a character-grid into whch I can place text or a horizontal, vertical, or diagonal line (a-la \ / | and -) or slightly more complex, but preferably keyboard-based
17:08<ranix>does anyone have a suggestion?
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17:13<Giraffu>seanius, huh?
17:14<seanius>check your realname
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17:43<panagos>can i use qemu-launcher with kvm? && how?
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17:43<paveq>hi
17:44<paveq>any hints how to disable tap-to-click on thinkpad trackpad?
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17:47<amphi>paveq: IIRC there's a synaptics driver option, "TapToClickTime" "0" or some such
17:47<amphi>paveq: I just disable my trackpad in the bios ;)
17:47<paveq>amphi: thanks :)
17:48<amphi>paveq: google will turn it up easily enough
17:48<paveq>amphi: any ideas about how to get wlan up
17:48<paveq>should be intel chip afaik
17:48<fpiat_>if you have a thinkpad, Fn-F8 can be used to disable touchpad (on some models).
17:48<amphi>paveq: ifconfig -a shows the interface?
17:48<amphi>fpiat_: really? not on my T42 I don't think
17:48<paveq>hmm no
17:49<paveq>worked in gutsy though, maybe I need newer kernel
17:49<amphi>paveq: does 'lspci | grep Wireless' show anything?
17:49<fpiat_>amphi, do you have a touchpad logo on Fn-F8 ?
17:49<amphi>fpiat_: no ;)
17:49<paveq>intel chip, 2915ABG
17:50<amphi>paveq: have a look at thinkwiki.org
17:50<amphi>paveq: I don't know about that card, I have a 2200BG here
17:52<fpiat_>amphi, you may still want to enable SHMConfig in Xorg.conf and have a try (i'm not very confident though)
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17:53<fpiat_>paveq, thinkwiki says "This adapter works with the ipw2200 driver."
17:54<fpiat_>paveq, so you need package "ipw2200-modules**" from contrib
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17:56<amphi>fpiat_: aye - anyway, it's currently disabled in the bios ;)
17:56<amphi>paveq: what thinkpad do you have?
17:56<fpiat_>amphi, that's effective !
17:57<amphi>fpiat_: indeed ;)
17:57<paveq>amphi: t43
17:58<paveq>I think I might need to download firmware drivers
17:58<paveq>worked without them in ubuntu, or maybe they have binary stuff included by default now..
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18:06<paveq>yep, works now
18:07<paveq>how about stuff with WPA, and multiple networks
18:07<fpiat_>paveq, can you tell me what you did
18:07<paveq>is there some nice working gui-manager for this
18:07<helpme>errr, installing pidgin on debian stable is no fun
18:07<paveq>fpiat_: installed the firmware
18:07<paveq>then modprobe ipw2200
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18:07<fpiat_>paveq, where from ? (URL)
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18:08<peter_>someone could guide me through installing flash plugin for opera web browser ?
18:08<paveq>fpiat_: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ipw2200#Installation_on_Debian_Etch
18:08<fpiat_>paveq, thanks
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18:10<zeon>i want to join deuschte bebian channel
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18:11<pumpkin0>!de
18:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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18:12<fpiat_>peter_, did you install flashplugin-nonfree ?
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18:14<fpiat_>paveq, amphi : can you provide me "lspci -vv" for your 2200 / 2915 card, plz.
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18:15<peter_>fpiat_, yes
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18:15<Brazil>mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /win
18:15<Brazil>help
18:16<Brazil>;)
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18:17<peter_>fpiat_, what path should I use to install flash on opera?
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18:18<paveq>fpiat_: http://paste.debian.net/44919
18:18<fpiat_>peter_, opera says you should have it in /usr/lib/opera/plugins/, so
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18:19<fpiat_>peter_, ln -s ../../flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so
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18:19<peter_>fpiat_, I did thisame but "cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/opera/plugins/"
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18:20<fpiat_>peter_, from what they say, it should be ok after you restart opera (?)
18:21<peter_>fpiat_, if restart mean close and open again - yes I have restarted opera
18:21<faheem__>Hi. Does anyone have recommendations about an app in Debian to use with an ipod?
18:21<fpiat_>peter_, BTW you should use a link, so the "file" is updated with package update.
18:21<peter_>faheem_, amarok
18:22<peter_>fpiat_, can you write it more simply ? cause I dont really understand
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18:22<peter_>faheem_, I use amarok with ipod nano
18:23<PetaWindows>bad apples
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18:23<pumpkin0>peter_: updates will change the file /flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so, but not /usr/lib/opera/plugins/libflashplayer.so. with ln they do change both files.
18:23<alex>Hello all. How can I set debian frontend to noninteractive non-interactively from command line?
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18:23<Brazil>hsdpa claro 3g linux debian
18:23<Brazil>help-me
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18:23<faheem__>peter_: I just want something that will charge the ipod and hopefully tell me about the battery life. Can amorak do that?
18:23<alex>I've tried "dpkg-reconfigure debconf --frontend=noninteractive" but it doesn't do anything
18:24<faheem__>amorok, sorry.
18:24<fpiat_>paveq, sorry, I meant lspci -nn (for PCI's id)
18:24<faheem__>amarok, sigh...
18:25<PetaWindows>alex: did you try "man debcof" ??
18:25<paveq>fpiat_: 0b:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection [8086:4224] (rev 05)
18:25<peter_>faheem_, hm... my ipod is charged without any application
18:25<PetaWindows>alex: sry, "man debconf"
18:26<peter_>fpiat pumpkin0 it still dont work ;/
18:26<fpiat_>paveq, thanks
18:26<pumpkin0>peter_: did you restart opera ? did you close all operas running in background ?
18:26<paveq>so how about wlan controlling, is there working gui solution
18:26<faheem__>peter_: Maybe there is something wrong with it, but it doesn't seem to charge properly when I plug it in. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
18:26<faheem__>peter_: Thanks for the suggestion.
18:26<alex>PetaWindows: yes I've tried that it only talks about how can I change frontend temporarily, but now I need to do that permanently. So I guess the questio is how can I change debconf frontend to noninteractive mode from noninteractive session.
18:27<peter_>pumpkin0, yes I did
18:27<paveq>would be quite annoying to use wpa_supplicant and console stuff when moving to different networks
18:27<PetaWindows>alex: I suppose there must be a configuration file for debconf
18:28<PetaWindows>alex: and with it, probably, you'll be able to change the configuration permanently
18:28<pumpkin0>peter_: open the URL "opera:about" and look for the "Plug-in path".
18:28<fpiat_>paveq, you shoud use "network-manager" which has kde or gnome gui
18:28<pumpkin0>peter_: does it contain: /usr/lib/opera/plugins/ ?
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18:29<alex>PetaWindows: I didn't find that configuration parameter in /etc/debconf.conf where else should I look?
18:29<chealer>alex: you can't. are you sure you're not confusing non-interactive with readline?
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18:29<PetaWindows>alex: I don't know :( probably there are more configuration files
18:29<peter_>pumpkin0, yes, it is also using /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree and /usr/lib/flash-plugin
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18:30<PetaWindows>alex: you can locate them by searching on the website or with "locate debconf" in a terminal...
18:30<peter_>pumpkin0, to test if flash works I use www.2advanced.com
18:30<PetaWindows>or youtube.com
18:30<PetaWindows>xd
18:30<pumpkin0>peter_: hmm... next point to check: go to /usr/lib/opera/plugins/. can you read the flash-so as normal user.
18:31<alex>chealer: I probably am, give me a second to try that out
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18:31<paveq>fpiat_: great, thanks
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18:31<paveq>fpiat_: seems to be working straight out-of-box
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18:32<peter_>pumpkin0, hm... there is no flash.so
18:32<fpiat_>paveq, it's i good tool.
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18:32<paveq>now I wonder if suspend works
18:32<pumpkin0>peter_: "libflashplayer.so"
18:32<paveq>have to try :P
18:32<PetaWindows>alex: with those commands I've found some things such as /usr/share/debconf or /usr/bin/debconf
18:33<peter_>pumpkin0, I see the file. should I open it somehow?
18:33<pumpkin0>peter_: doe ls -la start with -rw-r--r-- for that file ?
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18:34<peter_>pumpkin0, -rwxr-xr-x
18:34<pumpkin0>peter_: OK, that is good. Is "flashplayer.xpt" there too ?
18:34<peter_>pumpkin0, no... there is no such file
18:35<pumpkin0>peter_: why didn't you ln the file like a tutorial/guide says ?
18:35<PetaWindows>peter_: why do you use opera?
18:35<peter_>PetaWindows, it is the only webbrowser that dont lags my etch
18:36<peter_>pumpkin0, if there is some nice tutorial just show me where... I dont want to make problem to you
18:36<alex>chealer: OK, I think I got it #echo -e "Noninteractive\n1" | dpkg-reconfigure debconf --frontend=readline"
18:36<PetaWindows>peter_: and epiphany?
18:37<peter_>PetaWindows, epiphanty also lags
18:37<PetaWindows>wow..
18:38<PetaWindows>peter_: I didn't know that opera was so "light"
18:38<peter_>PetaWindows, it isnt ;)
18:38<pumpkin0>peter_: it depends on the opera-version. usually you just ln 2 files: libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt from /usr/lib...mozilla/plugins/ to the opera-plugin-dir.
18:38<PetaWindows>peter_: xD
18:39<amphi>paveq: echo mem >/sys/power/state should do
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18:39<peter_>pumpkin0, so I should also copy flashplayer.xpt from /usr/lib...mozilla to opera dir yes?
18:39<gata>alguem fala portugues ?
18:39<pumpkin0>peter_: cp is a bad idea. ln is better.
18:39<pumpkin0>!br
18:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:39<PetaWindows>gata: Yo puedo entenderlo, creo :)
18:40<PetaWindows>good idea :D
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18:42<gcs>Hi! How comes that spamassassin install gcc on Etch?
18:43<peter_>pumpkin0, -ls -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt /usr/lib/opera/plugins ?
18:44<pumpkin0>yes.
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18:44<gcs>Can I prevent installing gcc with spamassassin?
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18:46<peter_>pumpkin0, meaby its stupid question but what should be the results?
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18:47<peter_>pumpkin0, should flashplugin.xpt be in /opera/plugins?
18:47<sidd>how do I install the driver for my printer?
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18:48<dli>sidd, if your printer is well supported, just install cups
18:48<dli>!tell sidd about printer
18:48<pumpkin0>peter_: yes. You should see flashplugin.xpt inside the opera-plugin dir.
18:49<chealer>gcs: are you sure it does?
18:49<peter_>pumpkin0, so it dont work
18:49<peter_>pumpkin0, I mean it isnt there
18:49<pumpkin0>peter_: cp it there and test it.
18:51<peter_>pumpkin0, it says there isnt that kind of file or dir
18:51<gcs>chealer: Just try apt-get install spamassassin on Etch.
18:51<pumpkin0>peter_: what doe ls -la /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt say ?
18:51<gcs>Somehow gcc wanted to be installed, even if apt-cache show spamassassin does not show it as a dependency.
18:52<gcs>Some other package can have it.
18:52<gcs>How can I find out how apt-get install determines the installable packages?
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18:53<chealer>gcs: I already did
18:54<gcs>chealer: See that gcc wanted to be installed?
18:54<chealer>gcs: no
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18:55<fpiat_>amphi : can you provide me "lspci -vv" for your 2200 / 2915 card, so i can finish http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 ?
18:56<gcs>chealer: How can I debug apt-get then?
18:56<chealer>gcs: what's the output?
18:56<peter_>pumpkin0 :
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18:56<fpiat_>amphi, i mean lspci -nn
18:57<gcs># apt-get install spamassassin
18:57<gcs>Reading package lists... Done
18:57<gcs>Building dependency tree
18:57<gcs>Reading state information... Done
18:57<gcs>The following extra packages will be installed:
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18:59<amphi>fpiat_: 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05)
18:59<gcs>Uups, sorry.
18:59<fpiat_>amphi, thanks.
19:00<gcs>chealer: Any hints?
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19:00<chealer>gcs: you were kicked before the full output was sent
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19:01<gcs>How or where can I paste then?
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19:01<paveq>paste.debian.net
19:02<paveq>hmm, knetworkmanager seems to crash if I don't have wire connected when I log in
19:02<paveq>if I have, it starts and then I can switch to wireless
19:02<amphi>!lart knetworkmanager
19:02[~]dpkg strangles knetworkmanager with a doohicky mouse cord
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19:04<paveq>ps aux just says defunct for knetworkmanager :/
19:04<paveq>any ideas
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19:05<amphi>paveq: shun things beginning with 'k' (with the exception of the kernel and kill ;)
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19:07<gcs>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/44921
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19:08<paveq>hmm well it does work if I disconnect it from my wlan before shutting it down
19:08<chealer>gcs: that's not etch.
19:09<paveq>maybe it doesn't like waiting password from the wallet
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19:09<amphi>paveq: the 'wallet'?
19:09<fpiat_>paveq, amphi : thank you for you contribution to http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200
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19:09<paveq>amphi: kde's wallet thingy :P
19:09<gcs>chealer: Ups, yes. Lenny/Sid, but still, the problem persits.
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19:09<PetaWindows>!lart PetaWindows
19:09[~]dpkg chops PetaWindows in half with a free AOL CD
19:09<gcs>chealer: I check it on Etch.
19:09<amphi>paveq: I wot not of such things - you're using wpa?
19:10<PetaWindows>!lart PetaWindows another time
19:10[~]dpkg holds PetaWindows another time to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
19:10<PetaWindows>nice ^^
19:10<paveq>amphi: yes
19:10<amphi>fpiat_: you're welcome - mine was trifling, to say the least
19:10<PetaWindows>!lart PetaWindows
19:10[~]dpkg pours hot grits down the front of PetaWindows's pants
19:10<chealer>gcs: well, then, your so-called "problem" is that spamassassin recommends gcc
19:10<amphi>paveq: you could just use wpasupplicant perhaps
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19:11<gcs>chealer: But recommends does not equal to dependency. How can I remove gcc then?
19:12<chealer>gcs: using apt-get, # apt-get remove gcc
19:12<gcs>chealer: I mean do not even install gcc.
19:12<chealer>gcs: # apt-get install spamassassin gcc-
19:13<gcs>chealer: As I know, recommends is not installed, only dependency.
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19:13<kenosis>JOIN #untangle-private dot-untangle
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19:13<PetaWindows>WTD
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19:13<PetaWindows>WTF
19:14<tony>My system clock is not working right.
19:15<gcs>chealer: So, how gcc comes to be installed?
19:15<chealer>gcs: what do you mean?
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19:16<dli>gcs, just remove it, what a big deal
19:17<gcs>chealer, dli: I mean I would like to install spamassassin. It recommends gcc, but does not depend on it. Why apt-get would like to install it then?
19:17<dli>gcs, apt-get remove gcc
19:17<chealer>gcs: because it's recommended, and you didn't turn off automatic installation of recommendations
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19:18<gcs>chealer: Where can I turn it off?
19:19<chealer>gcs: in apt.conf
19:19<gcs>chealer, dli: Do you recommend razor next to spamassassin?
19:19<chealer>gcs: I have no idea about either. ask the channel.
19:19<paveq>whats wrong with having gcc installed
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19:21<gcs>I have a working box with Evolution. I want spam filtering, I install spamassassin. Is razor good next to it or not?
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19:23<gcs>paveq: Last time I had a machine gcc and it was broken somehow (internal network, but everything was being NAT-ed to it :-( ), it was broken into and other binaries were compiled with the installed gcc and the machine could be used as a zombie.
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19:23<gcs>paveq: Also short of disk space.
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19:55<Claudio_c>hi to all
19:58<ranix>hey folks, I upgraded to Lenny from Sarge and don't have common wireless card drivers. What can I do to get them? The card I want to use is a PCMCIA card that works by default in Sarge
19:59<ranix>maybe I just need iwconfig and co.
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19:59<chealer>ranix: which one is it?
19:59<sPiCy`>yep all
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20:00<ranix>an enterasys roamabout
20:00<ranix>I think it uses a broadcom chipset? It's one of THE most common and the earliest 802.11b cards
20:01<fpiat_>ranix, what about "pccardctl ls" and "pccardctl info"
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20:02<ranix>actually when I plug it in I do get an eth1
20:02<ranix>I just updated my kernel to 2.6 from 2.4, that must have done the trick
20:02<ranix>I feel silly
20:02<Solver>wow 2.4 old :)
20:02<chealer>ranix: Linux 2.4 supported your card?
20:02<ranix>I don't think so
20:02<fpiat_>ranix, network-manager-gnome is a must-have
20:02<ranix>gnome?
20:03<ranix>what is this gnome
20:03<ranix>I am on a p133 with 24 megabytes of ram
20:03<fpiat_>s/gnome/kde/ if you want.
20:03<Solver>ranix: yeah skip gnome ;)
20:03<fpiat_>;)
20:03<ranix>;)
20:03<Solver>s/kde/fvwm/
20:03<Solver>:)
20:03[~]Solver uses fvwm
20:03<ranix>how about s/x/console
20:03<Solver>hahaha
20:03<Solver>now that's the spirit
20:03<ranix>if I want X I'll need to xdmcp
20:04<Solver>s/vi/ed/
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20:04<ranix>nah it can handle vim just fine and the keyboard is silk
20:04<Solver>nice :)
20:04<fpiat_>s/network-manager/iwconfig/
20:04<ranix>it can handle firefox in xdmcp spritely too
20:04<ranix>yeah I'm messing with iwconfig now
20:04<Solver>ranix: you're on an XTerminal?
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20:04<ranix>pain in my butt
20:04<Solver>aka thin client
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20:05<ranix>well I'm typing this from the host
20:05<Solver>ah ok
20:05<ranix>but the child is on my lap
20:05<Solver>hehehe
20:05<ranix>I can use more xdmcp easier if it has wireless
20:05<ranix>the old dongle-style ethernet card is unwieldy
20:05<Solver>definitely
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20:07<chealer>ranix: well, if the card works by default in Sarge, Linux 2.4 supports it. is it supported or not? or what's the driver? or the precise chipset?
20:07<ranix>I've done a dist-upgrade to Lenny and migrated locales to utf-8 already
20:07<chealer>AFAIK no Broadcom chipset is supported by any of sarge's Linux versions.
20:08<ranix>so 2.6 is running and it sees the card just fine
20:08<ranix>I'm wrestling with iwconfig and iwlist right now
20:08<ranix>I forgot how to use them =\
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20:15<ranix>cool, hopped on the neighbor's open network
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20:21<ranix>success
20:21<ranix>my laptop from 1996 is running the latest version of Debian and I am typing this from it
20:21<ranix>via the wireless intertron
20:21<ranix>epic
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20:22<fpiat_>you could have ran win95 if you wanted ;)
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20:23<ranix>can't do as much
20:23<ranix>does Putty even run on win95?
20:24<fpiat_>probably not much runs on w95 nowadays (I think Mozilla dropped support). Great to know Debian works.
20:25<ranix>needed to get this thing to usability so I can take some notes
20:25<ranix>my compaq died
20:25<ranix>dead hard disk. I guess they don't make 'em like they used to
20:27<fpiat_>I tend to change my laptop every two years. Not sure I would be _confident_ to keep this 8 years.
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20:32<Baron>tem alguem vivo ae?
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20:32<Baron>hi
20:32<jan>hi
20:33<Baron>debian is good?
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20:35<jan>yes
20:35<jan>i'm using ubuntu
20:35<noflash>jan, #ubuntu
20:35<JasonS>jan: so your lost?
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20:44<chealer>ranix: heh. how much RAM do you have, 16 MB?
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20:44<rbw>porn.
20:44<Caino>n8@*
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20:45<rbw>what is that?
20:45<rbw>n8@* supposed to say something?
20:47<Caino>rbw, night at all
20:47<Caino>:)
20:47<paveq>I wonder if this http://www.debian.org/banners/debian.png image can be used without permission?
20:48<paveq>nothing weird stuff, just stating my debian support :)
20:48<dondelelcaro>paveq: depends who holds the copyright; in general they should be able to be used
20:48<dondelelcaro>(the licensing of the open use logo is meant to be completely free, but I can't remember if we've completely fixed that yet.)
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21:08<Brazil>Using the modem usb d301 in linux? Pro software has windows but not the linux?
21:10<Brazil>3g in linux ?
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21:51<user01>what do i do to get automounting to work again?
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21:57<oxymor00n>user01: what do you mean? works fine here using gnome-volume-manager..
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21:58<user01>oxymor00n, stopped working for me about 2 months ago for testing
21:58<oxymor00n>oh
21:59<user01>i have gnome-volume-manager installed
21:59<oxymor00n>i'm using sid. no idea... have you looked in the prefs or looked in gnome-volume-properties, there's a checkbox, maybe it's turned off
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22:01<user01>oxymor00n, how do i run the volume properties?
22:01<oxymor00n>not sure, i'm not under gnome ATM
22:01<user01>gnome crashes when i right click on a file in nautilus for properties
22:01<oxymor00n>but in gnome prefs there should be something about removable media IRC
22:01<oxymor00n>oh
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22:03<user01>oxymor00n, the boxes are checked
22:03<oxymor00n>hm
22:03<oxymor00n>then i don't know, sorry
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22:06<user01>ok weird . . . i unchecked them and went in and rechecked them and they work now
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22:34<jay__>Hi all, I tar gz'd a folder that has VERY important contents on my drive when backing up in preparation for a re-install. However now when I try to open the gzipped file I get the error. "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file. tar: unexpected eof in archive. tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now". Is there any command I can use to try and salvage whatever is in the tar / gz?
22:35<jay__>The folder I gzipped was REALLY big, more than about 20 giggs. When I try to use gunzip, it tells me that "File size limit exceeded (4.2 GB) Core dumped"
22:36<stew>jay__: what type of file does 'file' say it is?
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22:39<jay__>I don't understand the question
22:39<jay__>it's a tar.gz file
22:39<jay__>the error from gunzip just says that "File size limit exceeded (4.2 BSD)"
22:40<jay__>then core dumped
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22:44<dondelelcaro>jay__: which version of gzip is this? what filesystem are you writing it to?
22:45<jay__>ext3 is the file system gzip1.3.12
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22:46<Acidripp>anyone live ?
22:49<dondelelcaro>jay__: well, neither of those have problems with large files.
22:49<dondelelcaro>jay__: so most likely the "File size limit exceeded" is a red herring, or you're not actually uncompressing on ext3.
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22:50<jay__>ur right
22:50<jay__>it was on my external drive
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22:50<jay__>however, when I try extracting or listing the files in the archive... it only gets to a certain point and then stops... it all lost where it stops?
22:51<dondelelcaro>jay__: most likely. stat foo.tar.gz; and see what the exact filesize is.
22:51<jay__>*is
22:51<dondelelcaro>it's probably truncated at 4.2G
22:51<jay__>bull's eye
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22:52<jay__>the size is roughly 4.2 giggs
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22:52<dondelelcaro>yeah, you can probably rescue everything up to where it's truncated, but after that, all bets are off.
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22:53<sipher>I have lenny installed
22:53<sipher>evolution and app-installer segfault
22:53<sipher>any ideas?
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23:01<agabus>does anyone know when i transfer music to my ipod using rhythmbox and its in FLAC, what format and bitrate does rhythmbox convert it to?
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23:15<niyado>alguien sabe como poner comillas en ubuntu?
23:15<niyado>es que le doy y no me salen :(
23:15<dondelelcaro>niyado: see #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
23:15<niyado>someone know how to put quotes in debian?
23:16<niyado>which is the command?
23:16<dondelelcaro>fortunes, you mean?
23:16<niyado>MMM
23:16<niyado>i think
23:16<niyado>something like this ones ¨
23:17<niyado>but when i use in an html or css they dont regonize them
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23:17<niyado>in spanish are comillas
23:17<niyado>i dont know how to tell really in english
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23:17<dondelelcaro>oh, you mean quotation marks
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23:17<niyado>yeaaa that!!
23:17<niyado>u speak spanish right?
23:18<dondelelcaro>no
23:18<niyado>dondeelcaro
23:18<niyado>mm ok
23:18<niyado>well
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23:18<niyado>u know how to put the quotation marks?
23:18<dondelelcaro>anyway, usually it's a key on the keyboard. I don't know what keyboard map you're using though.
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23:18<niyado>:(
23:18<niyado>is in U b U n t U
23:18<niyado>but is the same in debian
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23:19<dondelelcaro>it's totally dependent on your keyboard map.
23:19<niyado>mmm
23:19<niyado>is an english keyboard
23:19<niyado>tell me what u think is, i will try all that u say to me
23:20<warlocku>what are you guys talking about?
23:20<niyado>about how to put quotation marks
23:20<dondelelcaro>niyado: but put them where? You just type them.
23:20<niyado>i cant :(
23:21<warlocku>might i wask why lol
23:21<dondelelcaro>niyado: doesn't your keyboard have a '" key?
23:21<warlocku>"
23:21<niyado>i have to touch them twice to work but this is what they give to me
23:21<niyado>¨
23:21<niyado>see?
23:21<niyado> they are diferents
23:21<dondelelcaro>oh, that's some other character
23:21<niyado>" ¨
23:21<niyado>see?
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23:22<dondelelcaro>niyado: you probably need to switch keyboard maps then, or check out the compose mapings for your locale.
23:22<niyado>no no, i do the last time, but i dont remember how to do
23:22<dondelelcaro>niyado: you probably selected a spanish keyboard layout, instead of a us 105 key layout.
23:22<niyado>is a combination of keys
23:22<niyado>no
23:22<niyado>is not that
23:22<dondelelcaro>!compose
23:22<niyado>look i can do this stuff
23:22<warlock50>wait niyado what country are you in
23:23<niyado>ǹ
23:23<dondelelcaro>!extended-chars
23:23<dondelelcaro>!extended chars
23:23<dpkg>hmm... extended chars is to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (utf8 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command
23:23<niyado>áéíóẃ
23:23<dondelelcaro>niyado: see above.
23:23<dondelelcaro>dpkg: compose is <reply> see extended chars
23:23<dpkg>okay, dondelelcaro
23:23<warlock50>niyado are you using linux
23:23<niyado>yea
23:23<niyado>im using linux
23:23<warlock50>if so just get the charcter map
23:24<warlock50>and change it
23:24<niyado>i know that is something whit the space key
23:24<niyado>with
23:24<dondelelcaro>niyado: so look at the compose map for whatever locale you're using.
23:24<warlock50>i gotcha
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23:25<niyado>:(
23:26<niyado>whiout that i cant markup my websites :(
23:26<warlock50>long concorsation just about quoation marks
23:26<dondelelcaro>niyado: again, look at the compose map for whatever locale you're using... it's not that hard
23:26<niyado>?
23:26<niyado>where is that?
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23:26<dondelelcaro>niyado: see the factoid that dpkg told you.
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23:29<niyado>''
23:29<niyado>i think that they are not :(
23:29<warlock50>"
23:30<warlock50>''
23:30<niyado>grr
23:30<niyado>i dont know how to do that
23:30<dondelelcaro>niyado: they're almost certainly there. If it's not listed, then there's no way to type it using the compose key in your locale.
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23:30<niyado>'´ ´ ''''´ ''''´ ´ ''´ '´ ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
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23:30<niyado>¨¨´´´´´´´ '" '´´´¨
23:30<niyado>hey
23:31<niyado>i think i do one!!!!
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23:31<warlock50>niyado what country are you in
23:31<niyado>Puerto Rico
23:31<dondelelcaro>niyado: yeah, it's most likely compose-"-"
23:31<niyado>i dont speak to much eanglish
23:32<niyado>lol
23:32<dondelelcaro>niyado: /usr/share/X11/locale/iso8859-15/Compose is most likely what you want to see.
23:32<niyado>´´¨¨¨¨¨¨´´´´´'´''´´ók
23:32<niyado>how i open that
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23:32<niyado>in a terminal?
23:33<dondelelcaro>with less or similar.
23:33<warlock50>that explains the quotes
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23:33<niyado>?
23:33<warlock50>.....
23:33<vezult>!
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23:34<niyado>?
23:37<warlock50>anyone know any hacking rooms
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23:37<warlock50>ok
23:37<niyado>finally
23:38<niyado>i think
23:39<niyado>""""
23:39<niyado>"
23:39<niyado>"
23:39<niyado>that issss
23:39<niyado>"
23:39<niyado>"
23:39<niyado>"
23:39<niyado>"
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23:40<niyado>auuu sorry
23:40<niyado>well
23:40<niyado>now i know how to do it
23:40<niyado>is
23:40<niyado>Shift+"+space
23:40<niyado>thats all for the quostes
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