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---Logopened Wed Dec 19 00:00:09 2007
---Daychanged Wed Dec 19 2007
00:00<Woland>i've installed debian 4r1 i386 on crypted lvm
00:00<Woland>kernel have loaded and said:
00:00<Woland>Begin: Mounting root file system
00:00<Woland>Begin: Running /scripts/local-top
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00:01<Woland>device-mapper: ioctl... initialised:
00:01<Woland>Voume group "MainGroup" not found
00:01<Woland>Begin: Waiting for root file system
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00:03<Woland>then it was waiting for a couple of minutes and said: Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline
00:03<Woland>or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev
00:03<Woland>ALERT! /dev/mapper/MainGroup-RootVol does not exist.
00:03<Woland>is it a bug with installer or have i done somethig wron?
00:04<berat>reinstaalled debian
00:04<berat>yeah you
00:04<berat>ofcourese you arent debian master
00:06<creeed>what is the packagename of `grp'?
00:06<Woland>btw, installer have not asked me for encryption password
00:06<Woland>it only promts for random symbols
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00:08<chealer>creeed: what's `grp'?
00:10<creeed>to administrate uni-groups for the users
00:11<chealer>creeed: are you trying to install a `grp' command on a system?
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00:11<creeed>I wanna just install the package
00:12<Woland>creeed: apt-file search grp, apt-cache search grp
00:12<chealer>creeed: so you're asking what's the name of the package which contains the `grp' command?
00:12<creeed>exactly ^^
00:13<chealer>creeed: there doesn't seem to be a package in Debian which contains the `grp' command.
00:13<creeed>I think I got it
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00:23<berat>WARNING: Failed to open config file /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS: No such file or directory
00:23<berat>what does that mean ?
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00:38<vigneswari>I need a help.
00:39<gsimmons>!tell vigneswari -about ask
00:39<vigneswari>One of my colleague is not able to join in this channel..we r using the same public ip..
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00:40<vigneswari>when she attempting to join, it is telling cannot join, you are banned
00:40<vigneswari>what may be the problem
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00:41<lherinionja>comment ca marche
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00:43<lherinionja>salut je veux écouter de musique sur ma debian alors comment ca marche
00:43<chealer>!tell lherinionja about fr
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00:57<miksuh>vigneswari: maybe she is using irc as a root or something like that? :) all roots are banned etc :)
00:57<miksuh>or then she just is banned :)
00:58<vigneswari>miksuh, she is using her name only for login
00:58<vigneswari>miksuh, all are using same public ip..then how she alone be blocked
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00:59<miksuh>ty command /banlist and check if eg. similar username is banned
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01:03<miksuh>or nick
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01:09<vigneswari>miksuh, ok thanks
01:10<lherinionja>hi you speak in frenc please
01:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
01:10<miksuh>this i english channel
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01:12<vigneswari>miksuh, not in banlist
01:12<buben>Привет всем!
01:12<miksuh>vigneswari: hmm, weird..
01:12<buben>Россияне есть?
01:13<lherinionja>ok, but i need some help in my mac; i wan to read the music
01:13<buben>я не бут, я из россии
01:13<chealer>!tell buben about ru
01:13[~]chealer hopes that's it
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01:20<guru>hi all
01:21<guru>is there any way to protect my folder from being deleted?
01:21<alaya>chmod 400 ?
01:22<guru>specially when i am a normal user and it should ask always any passphrase/passwd
01:22<alaya>actually 500...
01:23<guru>alaya:i want to secure my actually in my user space also it should aks passwd
01:23<alaya>then encrypt it
01:23<guru>in my machine there are more than one user having same login username/passwd
01:24<guru>just like in college-labs where anybody can access system using non-root user name
01:25<alaya>i never saw that in a college lab
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01:25<alaya>each user should have a separate account
01:25<asid>when i was in high school you could access all the other students files
01:25<asid>couldnt delete them but you could access them
01:27<guru>i understand.but i saw some s/w in windows which actually lock the folder with some passwd
01:27<guru>is there anything like this in debian/linux?
01:27<asid>yeah but be carefull not to lock your c: drive or you'll end up having to reinstall
01:28<asid>ive done that before curius as to what it would do
01:29<guru>yah...but it is for folder it available in linux?
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01:32<guru>is there any idea?
01:34<asid>not here
01:34<asid>not from me anyway
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02:12<alaya>guru: check out encfs
02:12<guru>alaya:i checked it
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02:13<guru>but main problem is that if you encrypted folder you can't get back your original data
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02:13<guru>*if you delete encryptedfolder
02:14<guru>what about truecrypt?
02:14<alaya>how is that different from a non-encrypted folder??
02:15<guru>encrypted folder consists of encrypted files and it is necessary to mount your original folder
02:16<guru>but you can't see anything in encrypted folder but it's under control of the user..
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02:17<guru>he/she can delete it and then the problem will come
02:17<alaya>any time any folder is deleted the data is gone. what's the difference?
02:18<guru>you can delete original folder that's not a problem ..because you can mount it again as long as encrypted folder is there..
02:18<guru>the visible folder(orig) is dependent on the encrypted one
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02:20<guru>so some folder locking mechanism is needed from deleting a folder..and that's i want exactly
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02:21<alaya>what about setting immutable flag with chattr?
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02:22<alaya>another thing you could do: create a hidden hard link to the dir somewhere else
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02:23<alaya>then another script can periodically check to see if the user's hard link exists or not, and re-create it if necessary
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02:31<guru>alaya:but if the link gets deleted then how that script will prevent that deletion entry?
02:31<guru>alaya:but if the link gets deleted then how that script will prevent that deletion event?
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02:34<alaya>what the heck is wrong with chmod 500 ?
02:34<alaya>try it: mkdir foo; chmod 500 foo; rm -rf foo
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02:38<SpeedyG>alaya: nothing special happens here. .
02:39<guru>alaya:it will actually prevent other users to delete my file
02:40<guru>but i told you i have a machine which other guys can also access having same user name/passwd
02:41<guru>so i want such mechanism which lock one folder with a paraphrase/passwd ;which is essentially know to me only
02:43<alaya>create a special group that they are all members of. chgrp the folder to that group. set perms so group has ro access and user has rw. done.
02:43<alex>how do you uninstall stuff that's been installed?
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02:45<alaya>guru: that's braindead simple if you understand the basics of unix filesystem permissions
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02:48<alaya>apparently i don't understand though since my earlier example didn't work...
02:49<guru>alaya:can you prevent other users not to delete that files/folders from gnome??
02:49<alaya>try it: mkdir foo; chmod 500 foo; touch foo3/somefile; rm -rf foo
02:50<alaya>SpeedyG: that one works
02:50<guru>it's a desktop client having gnome in it
02:52<alaya>ugh! mkdir foo; touch foo/somefile; chmod 500 foo; rm -rf foo that works
02:55<alaya>aha, chattr +a might also work
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02:56<alaya>prolly an ugly way of doing it though
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02:59<guru>alaya:i know this things...but i think these will not work in X-environment
02:59<alaya>guru: wtf does gnome or X have to do with file permissions?
03:01<alaya>guru: you are clearly lacking very basic knowledge of unix permissions and ownership. i suggest you read up on it.
03:02<alaya>google: linux permissions and ownership and see hit #1
03:02<Staz>guru : <-- a good place to start
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03:03<alaya>but i'm happy i discovered the chattr thing :-)
03:03<guru>alaya:that's why since we are discussing i told i have to lock my folder in X-env
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03:03<alaya>guru: what you are saying makes no sense really
03:04<guru>that's why it seems it requires some extra package or software
03:04<guru>ie application software
03:05<alaya>yes, of course you won't actually read/understand what we recommended, but just keep begging to be spoonfed here
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03:06<guru>otherwise may be some extra kernel module can do this one...
03:07<guru>i requested you one thing,and repeatedly told using basic linux commands its not possible
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03:09<guru>but you were teaching me those commands...ok..if you don't know you can mention it earlier.And you also mentioned about encfs,and i told though it's an encryptioniutility but can't lock the folder,
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03:43<istoc>Hi, I did a netinst of etch then upgraded to lenny. Should there be a ssh daemon installed by default on the system?
03:45<sep>istoc, depends on what you choose to install during installation, but it's as easy as aptitude install ssh
03:46<istoc>sep: thanks for the help
03:50<chealer>istoc: no
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04:03<istoc>What's a good ftpd? I tried vsftpd but I don't wanna make an account for anything other than ftp access for people. I was gonna use glftpd but it's not in the debian repos.
04:04<hachi>I'm trying to try out the linux-2.6.23-1-xen-686 package in unstable, but I can't get update-grub to add it to my menu list, I've got the 3.1-1 hypervisor installed already
04:04<hachi>anyone know how to figure this out?
04:07<alaya>istoc: better to not use ftp. ssh supports sftp protocol which many good ftp clients can use
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04:09<chuxxsss>Hi all
04:09<istoc>alaya: A lot of my friends are too lazy to dl a ftp client so they connect with a web browser.
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04:11<chuxxsss>anyone no how to fix a program I am having with the synaptic pack manager it is aking me to run 'dpkg --configure -a and when I do I get the help file and thing happens
04:12<chuxxsss>don't worry fix it :) best OS very
04:12<alaya>chuxxsss: paste the output of the dpkg command to a pastebin
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04:13<arnuld>Hi all
04:13<chuxxsss>fix it just closed the shell sorry
04:13<arnuld>does Debian unstable has newer package versions than Stable ?
04:14<chealer>arnuld: for some packages, yes
04:14<arnuld>soe :\
04:14<arnuld>some :\
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04:15<arnuld>I want to install it but I can only find netinst for daily-builds and Stable
04:15<arnuld>where is the netinst for Unstable ?
04:16<chealer>arnuld: there is none. you don't want to install unstable.
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04:16<arnuld>chealer: ok, has anyone tested wxGTK 2.8.7 in Debain stable ?
04:16<arnuld>i mean from sources
04:17<arnuld>I need that for my project
04:18<arnuld>I have one more question though
04:18<hachi>linux-image-2.6.23-1-xen-686 has an empty file in /var/lib/linux-image-2.6.23-1-xen-686/xen-versions
04:18<arnuld>If I use default /etc/apt/sources.list, then I will get 100% Libre softwares ?
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04:20<buffoon_work>I'm searching for a good web frontend that shows the usage of the hardware on a web frontend. Does someone know a easy and good thing? I just would like to see the CPU usage, disk usage and RAM usage
04:20<chealer>arnuld: yes, except in theory you could get contrib packages from due to a bug
04:20<arnuld>chealer: ok
04:21<arnuld>chealer: why Debian folks say "NO" to testing , on the contrary I heard so much that Debian Unstable is quite Stable
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04:22<chealer>arnuld: I don't understand what you mean. Debian folks don't say to not use Debian testing.
04:22<arnuld>chealer: you said NO
04:22<thank>I use mysql 5.0
04:22<thank>by apt-get
04:22<arnuld>chealer: and some folks at #debian at too
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04:22<chealer>arnuld: I said you shouldn't use unstable, not testing.
04:22<arnuld>chealer: WHAT .. testing != unstable
04:22<arnuld>chealer: :\ ..
04:22<chealer>!tell arnuld about releases
04:23<chealer>ravenbird: releases
04:23<thank>check for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables
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04:24<thank>how about mysql 5.0 in debian
04:24<chealer>ur, that's not the same as dpkg's
04:24<arnuld>chealer: then what are daily-builds ans weekly-snapshots:
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04:25<arnuld> *
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04:26<chealer>arnuld: the daily and weekly builds install testing.
04:26<arnuld>ok, that's what I need
04:27<arnuld>sid == unstable != testing
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04:28<arnuld>testign == quite stable
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04:36<arnuld>chealer: thanks a lot
04:36<arnuld>chealer: I will download a daily-build of netinst and will install testing :)
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05:11<geek00>How to uninstall mysql after source-installation?
05:11<screenn>hi all!
05:11<geek00>Do I need only to delete the installation folder?
05:12<Supaplex>geek00: sounds like a #mysql question (wherever those folks live)
05:13<geek00>Nope, It can be also applied for any other installation that has a source?
05:13<Supaplex>debian uses dpkg-buildpackage, after that apt/dpkg etc handle install/deinstall
05:13<geek00>The question is not directly relative to mysql, rather it's for source-installation within debian.
05:14<Supaplex>did you install from plain old mysql.tar.gz, or did you apt-get source mysql-something?
05:14<geek00>Let's assume that I made the installation using the source code ".configure; make; make install;".
05:15<azeem>geek00: check whether there is a "make uninstall"
05:15<Supaplex>then it's not managed by debian, it's old school fly by your pants not managed and you keep the leftovers.
05:15<azeem>geek00: if not, analyse where stuff got installed to, and remove that
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05:16<Supaplex>and pray make uninstall doesn't do more harm than good. :) debain has package policy to ensure it stays manageable. good luck :)
05:16<geek00>The point here that is sometimes you need to use this old school, I have to test certain modules that has to be changed from the source directly.
05:17<geek00>I know about the beauty of the Debian Package Manager, this will not make the source installation obsolete.
05:17<Supaplex>honestly, there is no one answer. "make uninstall" isn't required. yes, you were asking about mysql specifically and I guess I'll just remain silent now "I don't know. Sorry."
05:18<geek00>Supaplex: Anyway, thanks. I really appreciate your help. Even though, you still insist that it's a mySQL question.
05:19<Supaplex>all I have to do is prove that one upstream makefile has no uninstall target to validate your question is mysql specific...
05:19<Supaplex>but I digress
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05:22<Supaplex>my bad :)
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05:24<pmidas>hello 2 all
05:24<geek00>It's OK. This's kinda helpful in my case:
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05:24<pmidas>can sombod help me
05:24<Supaplex>!tell pmidas -about ask
05:25<pmidas>router with 2 ISP
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05:25<pmidas>somthing with skriptind is no go
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05:26<pmidas>I have one ISP via dhcp on eth1 -- ADSL
05:27<pmidas>second on eth2 via usb modem - dhcp
05:27<Supaplex>so are you trying to configure the router?
05:27<pmidas>yes Supaplex
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05:27<Supaplex>and the router is a debian box?
05:27<pmidas>I have working all 3 interfaces
05:28<pmidas>I install from net
05:28<pmidas>kompile a custom kernel (i thik)
05:28<Supaplex>I don't know what your question is. You imply internet isn't working, but I guess you either don't have all the interfaces working, or somehow want to load balance two isps.
05:29<pmidas>when I try to do somting like ,,nexthop" - there is : no such devise
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05:29<pmidas>internet is working
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05:30<Supaplex>what throws "no such device"?
05:30<Supaplex>what are you doing when you see that?
05:31<Supaplex>!tell pmidas -about paste
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05:33<pmidas>nexthop - command not found
05:33<pmidas>that is the result from activating the script
05:34<pmidas>the csript is hire:
05:34<Supaplex>oh so rtnetlink script throws that. is rtmon running?
05:35<pmidas>I do not know, how to check .... sorry for the stupid questiom
05:35<Kebianizao>if you know virtualbox, specially non-OSE version, you'll know that in order to access usb you need to change permissions for /proc/bus/usb files. But what's the best way to achieve this in a clean fashion in your opinion?
05:35<pmidas>I am new in linux yet
05:35<Supaplex>pmidas: no, not so much a stupid question. I've never seen this script before. humm...
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05:36<Kebianizao>the way vbox guys propose is adding an usb group, but also usbfs rules are to be considered, what do you think?
05:38<Supaplex>pmidas: ok. I think it might be related to missing "\" at the end of the line. That's how the shell knows to continue this line onto the next line, otherwise it thinks the next line is a new command.
05:39<Supaplex>but if it's no such device, then try running it with sh -x thescript to see what it's doing with env vars.
05:39<Supaplex>$IP route add $i table 220 proto static \
05:39<Supaplex>nexthop via $EXTGW0 dev $EXTIF0 weight 1\
05:40<Supaplex>etc etc
05:40<pmidas>i will try now
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05:45<pmidas>there is some errors withe the tables becouse 1 of isp is off
05:46<pmidas>but I get the same errors ..... nexthop - command not found
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05:48<Supaplex>I'll have to look at this later. might come in handy for something I might try in a few weeks. but for now, I'm going to rest the eyeballs. They're due for their oil change now. zzzZzzz good luck. :)
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05:48<pmidas>thank you
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06:00<sheldonh>does the debian project release kernel-image packages that include updated drivers between major releases? i'm wondering if i can expect a linux-image-2.6.18-X-686 that includes e1000-7.6.12 and ata_piix-2.11 at some point before lenny becomes stable (which i understand will be in about 2.5 years?)
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06:01<Kebianizao>sheldonh: don't expect new features, just security or grave bug fixing
06:02[~]sheldonh fears
06:02<petemc>i suspect lenny will be released in a shorter period than 2.5 years
06:02<petemc>but backported kernels work well for the most part
06:03<Kebianizao>right, you also have backported, but not as well supported so far
06:03<sheldonh>intel's making life interesting with its frontside bus requirements around the duo2 quad core chips. the only intel desktop board left that supports these cpus and works with 2.6.18 is the pearl creek (for which the onboard nic isn't supported, but that's less of a big deal with than the ICH9 on their other boards being unsupported)
06:04<sheldonh>i'm managing my own patchset with kernel-package (a thing of beauty) for now, since even the 2.6.22 backport doesn't include e1000-7.6.12
06:05<sheldonh>but then i guess it's a bit silly using desktop motherboards with debian instead of ubuntu (to say nothing of the strategy of using desktop boards for servers) :)
06:06<Kebianizao>sheldonh: I just think stable is stable, so if you want new stuff you'll have to move to testing or sid
06:06<sheldonh>and i find 2.6.22 a bit spooky -- on our legacy gentoo hosts, we had... great fun migrating from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 :)
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06:06<Kebianizao>I've just bought a laptop and I reckon I needed to run 2.6.24rc5
06:06<ghostlines>in anyone using netbeans 6 on a 64bit system?
06:06<sheldonh>Kebianizao: i get that. was just asking, in case the answer included a pleasant surprise :)
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06:07<Kebianizao>sheldonh: I see, but stable is the opposite to new IMHO
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06:08<sheldonh>Kebianizao: yup. it's requires a paradigm. you want a tried and trusted operating system. and you want bleeding edge hardware. have fun :)
06:09<sheldonh>Kebianizao: i noticed that etch shipped with -4 initially, and that -5 came along later, and wondered whether the update policy was any different for the kernel
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06:12<Kebianizao>sheldonh: AFAIK stable updates just include the fixes I told you
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06:13<sheldonh>i can't wait for my customer's marketing dept to concede that their customers don't care about amd vs intel
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06:16<Kebianizao>do you care?
06:16<sheldonh>totally. means i can stop jumping through hoops to support overpriced, underperforming crap :)
06:18<Kebianizao>I see
06:18<Kebianizao>Debian is great but you can't expect it supporting what manufacturer doesn't
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06:19<sheldonh>Kebianizao: dude, you totally don't need to defend debian when you're talking to me :)
06:19<sheldonh>Kebianizao: all operating systems suck. debian sucks the way i hate the least :)
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06:22<Kebianizao>you're right I don't need to defend it, facts are there, but on top of that I love it
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06:55<vigneswari>hi all
06:55<vigneswari>i created a pkg that has module to support webcam
06:56<vigneswari>and that is independent of the kernel version using
06:56<vigneswari>it depends on linux-headers pkg but not on its version
06:57<vigneswari>then how can i specify this in Depends section of control file
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07:01<Kebianizao>vigneswari: this kind of questions are better dealt in #debian-mentors, but let me think
07:01<vigneswari>Kebianizao, ok thnks
07:02<Kebianizao>I think just placing linux-headers is enough, without any version
07:02<vigneswari>Kebianizao, no. the name itself having version
07:03<vigneswari>Kebianizao, it is like linux-headers-2.6.22
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07:04<Kebianizao>there should be a virtual package
07:04<Kebianizao>or maybe what you are looking is linux-headers-2.6
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07:05<vigneswari>Kebianizao, the version should be specific
07:06<Kebianizao>but you said, it was independent of the version
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07:09<vigneswari>Kebianizao, the pkg is independent of kernel version..that means we can use this pkg for any version of kernel
07:10<vigneswari>since it depends on linux-headers pkg, i need to list it in depends section
07:11<vigneswari>instead of putting linux-headers-2.6.22 or anything . i want to put like linux-headers-xxxx
07:11<vigneswari>that xxxx should be common for any version of kernel
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07:11<vigneswari>Kebianizao, getting? what i am telling?
07:12<vigneswari>or am i confusing?
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07:15<Kebianizao>no, it's ok
07:16<Kebianizao>I think linux-headers is fine
07:17<Kebianizao>or maybe linux-headers-2.6 to be a little more specific
07:19<vigneswari>Kebianizao, this is virtual pkg right?
07:20<Kebianizao>it will be satisfied as long as you have any of the real packages installed
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07:24<Kebianizao>vigneswari: anyway double check on #debian-mentors
07:25<Kebianizao>and BTW I don't see how a linux module doesn't depend on an specific kernel version
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07:25<vigneswari>Kebianizao, i am checking with them
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08:06<Alex_NL>I have a problem with tomcat5.5 on debian
08:06<Alex_NL>My tomcat server is only listening at port 8180 on IPv6
08:07<Alex_NL>when I type netstat -ln
08:07<Alex_NL>I only see tcp6 0 0 :::8180 :::* listen
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08:08<Alex_NL>how can I make my tomcat server also listen at normal ip?
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08:17<betterworld>According to the package description, etch's bash-doc package contains the bash info pages, but as a matter of fact they don't seem to be in there.. does anyone know anything about this? In sarge the package did have them
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08:18<azeem>betterworld: the bash info pages are non-free by debian standards
08:18<azeem>and nobody wanted to maintain them in non-free for etch, I guess
08:19<betterworld>i see..
08:20<Alex_NL>does anybody know where I can configure my Tomcat5.5 server to listen on ipv4 instead of ipv6?
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08:29<sbar>hi all
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08:30<sbar>how do set up kopete to use Socks?
08:31<azeem>check the kopete documentation
08:31<azeem>or run it via tsocks or socksify
08:31<azeem>if that works
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08:32<sbar>ok, read
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08:39<simon22543>hello everyone
08:39<simon22543>I'm new here
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09:09<klando>Hi, I have an issue with debian/etch :
09:09<klando>drwxr-xr-x 2 sshd 99 4096 2007-04-12 01:36 identd
09:09<klando>-rw-r--r-- 1 identd root 6 2007-10-22 17:10
09:09<klando>identd[1439]: s_open("/var/run/identd/", O_WRONLY): Permission denied
09:09<klando>any idea ?
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09:10<klando>I see what happen, but why ?
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09:28<pmidas__>can sombody read this error ?
09:28<pmidas__>RTNETLINK answers: No such device
09:28<pmidas__>/etc/lb/ line 119: nexthop: command not found
09:30<pmidas__>this is line 119
09:30<pmidas__>nexthop via $EXTGW0 dev $EXTIF0 weight 1\
09:31<path>try dpkg -l nexthop
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09:32<pmidas__>ISP:/home/pmidas# dpkg -l nexthop
09:32<pmidas__>No packages found matching nexthop.
09:32<path>err that wasnt the name of the package
09:32<path>lets google
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09:32<pmidas__>ok but there is no such packege
09:32<path>but there is such file
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09:33<pmidas__>this is for skript that must load balance between 2 isp
09:35<pmidas__>yes I found it
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09:36<pmidas__>I thik this is a part from kernel
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09:37<path>yep there is
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09:39<pmidas__>but what can I do with this ..... I think to make it +x and then run it
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09:39<pmidas__>I am new to linux
09:39<path>its a .c
09:39<path>.h I mean
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09:42<edthefox>path: pmidas__: did you see this? ->
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09:44<pmidas__>no edthefox 10x for the info ..... I saw the tings in but there is more teoretical
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09:55<pmidas__>ISP:/usr/src/linux- chmod +x /etc/iproute2/
09:55<pmidas__>ISP:/usr/src/linux- /etc/iproute2/ save active
09:55<pmidas__>SIOCDELRT: No such process
09:55<pmidas__>SIOCDELRT: No such process
09:55<pmidas__>SIOCDELRT: No such process
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09:57<pmidas>and another that tels me that eth2 is unplug
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09:58<stew>!tell pmidas about paste
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09:59<stew>pmidas: can you run "bash -x /etc/iproute2/ save active" which will show the commands that are being run, which will tell us which commands give those errors. use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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09:59<stew>pmidas: and also include the output of "ip a ; ip r"
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10:11<pmidas>I now lose internet conection on debian box
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10:38<leikh>I have a php-script executing a shell command, but I'm having some trouble with " and '. How can I rewrite this: echo shell_exec('/usr/local/bin/convert -draw 'text 306,669 "$name" text 1530,669 "$address"' -pointsize 53 foo1.jpg foo2.jpg 2>&1');
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10:41<andrew>hi debian gurus
10:41<ifvoid>hi andrew
10:41<koko>hi All
10:42<andrew>i have a question which probably has a really simple answer
10:42<Arruor>shell_exec("'/usr/local/bin/convert -draw 'text 306,669".$name." text ... et cettera
10:42<ifvoid>leikh: why don't you use php's imagemagick bindings?
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10:42<ifvoid>andrew: just ask
10:42<Arruor>but you can set a variable named $sCommand in ex.
10:42<andrew>i'm use the bsd mv an rm which have a -n option
10:42<Arruor>and deal wtih sprintf
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10:42<andrew>the -n says don't overwrite or delete, but keep going
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10:43<andrew>how can i do the same in linux?
10:43<leikh>Arruor: thx
10:43<andrew>i don't want -i, because i don't want it to be interactive
10:43<leikh>ifvoid: how?
10:43<ifvoid>andrew: hmm, good question
10:44<ifvoid>(and fwiw, php questions are offtopic here)
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10:46<andrew>i think if there was a /usr/bin/no that worked like /usr/bin/yes i could just pipe it
10:46<leikh>ifvoid: could I also have better luck with converting a server-side located pdf-file using the binding, instead of converting with shell_exec?
10:47<blubberdiblub>andrew: well, easy, use "yes no" ... it will output "no" then
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10:47<ifvoid>try to avoid shell calls
10:47<ifvoid>andrew: yes no|rm
10:47<ifvoid>but I'm not sure that's going to work
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10:48<ifvoid>it works?
10:48<andrew>the output is a little ugly, but i can live with that
10:48<andrew>see, i know it had a simple answer :-)
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10:49<andrew>yes n | mv -i * ../bar
10:49<andrew>for example, will do just what i want
10:49<andrew>thank you
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10:51<sbar>how do kopete via http proxy? with the sockify ... trouble, not connect
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10:52<leikh>Arruor: btw Why ".$name." instead of just "$name" ?
10:53<Arruor>let's talk on private, as they said before - php is off topic here
10:53<blubberdiblub>sbar: already tried configuring the proxy in the control center? most kde apps use that setting
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11:02<sbar>in the control center configure is true, manyally, one proxy for all,, yet
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11:07<blubberdiblub>sbar: and your proxy supports the CONNECT method? if using squid, you have to remove the rule denying CONNECT for non ssl ports
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11:13<sbar>i doesn't know, but gaim work via http, so ours proxy supports this method
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11:19<blubberdiblub>sbar: well, kopete works for me over my squid, but i did't configure the proxy address directly but instead set http_proxy and the like in /etc/environment and told control center to use the env variables. (you may have to log out/in or restart X to make it reread the env variables)
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11:38<SammyTheSnake>can anyone help me with someaptitude magic?
11:39<JasonS>!tell SammyTheSnake about ask
11:39<SammyTheSnake>I'd like to be able to get it to give me dependency resolution options in a different order, so it starts with the ones that don't involve removing packages ...?
11:40<SammyTheSnake>jasons: I know, I was just asking in two sentences, it just took me a while to type the second one ;)
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11:55<azeem>is there an easy way to list the file content of an iso images without being root or installing obscure packages?
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11:57<edthefox>SammyTheSnake: is it really _that_ big of a deal to scroll through dependency resolutions? seems pretty obscure to me
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12:00<blubberdiblub>azeem: try iso-info, if you have it (and don't want to install the libcdio-utils package)
12:00<paxcoder>anyone did netinst with testing?
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12:01<edthefox>paxcoder: not recently
12:01<paxcoder>did it work back in the day?
12:01<blubberdiblub>azeem: or isoinfo (which would be in genisoimage)
12:01<stew>azeem: file-roller if gui is ok
12:01<paxcoder>My kernel wouldn't boot
12:01<edthefox>paxcoder: yes
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12:02<Supaplex>bad kernel. no biscuit for yew.
12:02<paxcoder>it passes grub, but then gives me ash (some small shell)
12:02<paxcoder>bad kernel? how's that possible?
12:02<paxcoder>i mean, don't they check stuff? :-)
12:02<edthefox>paxcoder: what filesystem for /root /boot etc?
12:03<paxcoder>edthefox: i think it was usual ext3. although it might have been RaiserFS
12:03<paxcoder>edthefox: ext3 more likely
12:03<edthefox>paxcoder: do you have the specific error? does it say kernel panic, or something else?
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12:04<paxcoder>says something like there's no kernel or something :-?
12:04<stew>azeem: oh it looks like file-roller is actually using isoinfo
12:04<Supaplex>paxcoder: sorry, I just woke up. had to take a cheap shot at a joke. :)
12:04<stew>"isoinfo -J -f -i some.iso" or -R instead -f -J for rockridge instead of joliet
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12:04<paxcoder>Supaplex: don't know what you're talking about
12:04<stew>"instead of"
12:05<Supaplex>17:01 < Supaplex> bad kernel. no biscuit for yew.
12:05<azeem>unfortunately, none of those seem to installed on this box
12:05<paxcoder>Supaplex: yew is... chew?
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12:05<paxcoder>Supaplex: you mean it's not a bad kernel?
12:05[~]paxcoder is confused
12:06<Supaplex>I mean ignore my last 10m of blabbering.
12:06<paxcoder>:-D will do
12:06<Supaplex>good boy. :)
12:06<stew>azeem: "strings /path/to/some/iso" is going to have the filenames near the top of the .iso if you know what you are looking for specifically
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12:07<paxcoder>Supaplex edthefox: my first shot at testing from instalation, and it fails
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12:08<azeem>stew: ah, cool
12:09<SammyTheSnake>edthefox: yeah, there are hundreds, and I *never* want to remove packages
12:09<edthefox>paxcoder: it will be hard to help (you) without (detailed) information
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12:10<paxcoder>edthefox: ahh, worth a shot
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12:10<paxcoder>edthefox: i mean, how can it not boot from installation. i mean, what a
12:11<Supaplex>azeem: there's userspace linux (lets ordinary users run a modified kernel like an app), and qemu
12:11<azeem>strings worked fine :)
12:11<Supaplex>paxcoder: the install cd isn't booting?
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12:12<paxcoder>Supaplex: it boots and installs, and boots grub, and passes grub and starts loading stuff, but stops at kernel (at the begining), says somthing like "no kernel", and gives some shell... maybe ash, no apt-get, no nothing
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12:13<Supaplex>ok. anything about a missing root filesystem? which install cd did you use?
12:13<paxcoder>netinst testing
12:13<paxcoder>the newest one
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12:14<paxcoder>Supaplex: fs... lemme remember....
12:14<abdelkhalak>can anyone lead me plz where i can add the repo that contains webadmin
12:14<Supaplex>paxcoder: and why that over the stable etch one? is your hardware new in the last year or so?
12:14<paxcoder>Supaplex: yeah, that might be it. maybe
12:14<Supaplex>!tell abdelkhalak -about sources.list
12:14<Supaplex>!tell abdelkhalak -about search
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12:14<Supaplex>abdelkhalak: if it's not a debian package, you'll have to do it the old fashioned way.
12:15<paxcoder>Supaplex: no, it's just the new packages require new libc6, it requires aditional stuff, and then I nead testing repository, and I'm on testing from stable, and that crashes
12:15<tann>can i play warcraft 3 with ubuntu os?
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12:15<Supaplex>tann: read the topic please
12:15<azeem>tann: please ask in #ubuntu on
12:16<paxcoder>tann: linux is hard. windows spins it ok
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12:16<azeem>paxcoder: huh?
12:16<Supaplex>paxcoder: unless you're testing the netinst for dev purposes, why not install etch, then <chroot install> testing?
12:17<Supaplex>antonino: your site?
12:17<paxcoder>azeem: he'll give up anyway after a time, if he's not doing it for some real purpouse
12:17<paxcoder>besides, installing win stuff on linux is funny, and sometimes hard
12:17<paxcoder>Supaplex: chroot install?
12:17<Supaplex>antonino: cool, I think we can all apache benchmark it until the site dies. please don't spam, or you might annoy someone real bad...
12:17<azeem>paxcoder: tann got pointed to the right chan, no need to further discuss this
12:17<paxcoder>Supaplex: I only did apt-get upgrade
12:17<Supaplex>!tell paxcoder -about chroot install
12:18<paxcoder>!tell Supaplex -about chroot install
12:18<paxcoder>Supaplex: see, bunch of links.
12:18<paxcoder>Supaplex: yuck
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12:19<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
12:19<paxcoder>Supaplex: ^^^ actually, apt-get dist-upgrade
12:20<Supaplex>paxcoder: well, you already had stable installed and wanted to move to testing. too bad you can't just <downgrade> when it goes wrong. You're complaining about issues regardless of how testing is installed.
12:21<paxcoder>Supaplex: rephrase please, didn't quite get it
12:21<paxcoder>Supaplex: you say I use the wrong method of doing the upgrade, or what?
12:21<Supaplex>paxcoder: you had stable installed before this problem?
12:22<paxcoder>Supaplex: yes
12:23<Supaplex>ok, and you attempted a dist-upgrade, but that ran into issues as well?
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12:23<bruno>yo le peuple
12:24<paxcoder>Supaplex: it does it, but the newly installed (mostly system) programs don't run (properly)
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12:27<Supaplex>ok. I'm sorry to see you're encountering these sorts of difficulties on testing. It's not as well prooven as stable is. Personally I suggest you install stable (etch), regroup, and make use of debootstrap to install testing into a controlled location. If something goes bad there, it's more eaisly remedied.
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12:28<themill>paxcoder: I'm confused. Did you install from the lenny netinst or from the etch netinst and then dist-upgrade?
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12:30<paxcoder>themill: netinstall failed. I tried it because before, when I did dist-update from stable it turned out crappy
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12:30<paxcoder>Supaplex: any manual on that or anything?
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12:31<Supaplex>paxcoder: on debootstrap? yeah, it has man pages.
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12:32<themill>paxcoder: neither should happen and in both cases, please file bug reports or come here early on in the piece to get help. Debian needs to make sure that it has a smooth etch->lenny upgrade path and that lenny installs nicely.
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12:32<Supaplex>and check the release notes before you upgrade.
12:33<paxcoder>themill: no, that would have no effect
12:33<edthefox>paxcoder: what needing are you from testing, that stable has not? (yodaspeakese)
12:34<paxcoder>paxcoder: pidgin for example, lots of stuff actualy
12:34[~]paxcoder laughs
12:34<Supaplex>paxcoder: you're suggesting your bug reports would have no effect?
12:34<dpkg>hmm... is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
12:34<Supaplex>call a shrink. paxcoder's replying to himself now. ;)
12:34<themill>paxcoder: what do you mean "[17:33] <paxcoder> themill: no, that would have no effect"
12:34<paxcoder>Supaplex: no, it's just that I wouldn't know what to say to them. All I can say is I did dist-upgrade, and now keyboard mapper won't start
12:35<paxcoder>themill: ^
12:35<Supaplex>well that's a start.
12:35<Supaplex>I have a few "lame" bug reports that might not go anywhere, but I've seen a lot of them fixed to.
12:35<themill>paxcoder: I might politely suggest that if you can't usefully contribute to the "testing" effort, then you probably don't want to be running "testing". It can be a bumpy ride and you're expected to be able to help yourself through it.
12:36<paxcoder>Supaplex themill: I really think it has no effect
12:36<Supaplex>stable is proven, testing not so much so.
12:36<paxcoder>themill: I tried to send some bug reports. It's not like I don't do it. But I have no mail server, so they didn't go anywhere :-P
12:37<paxcoder>Supaplex: the rest of the world uses "testing" apps, in other distros
12:37<JasonS>paxcoder: we're not the rest of the world
12:37<paxcoder>JasonS: good for us
12:37<Maulkin>[citation needed]
12:38<paxcoder>Maulkin: @?
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12:38<themill>Maulkin: now we need dpkg to have a wikipediasmite cmd :)
12:38<Maulkin>paxcoder: 17:37 < paxcoder> Supaplex: the rest of the world uses "testing" apps, in other distros
12:38<themill>Maulkin: perhaps paxcoder is making a general comment about the quality of ub*ntu, for instance.... :)
12:39[~]themill hides under his desk
12:39<paxcoder>Maulkin: [1] My Brain, "Toughts"
12:39[~]themill hands paxcoder an "h".
12:39<Maulkin>Sorry, primary source. Try agian.
12:39<Supaplex>paxcoder: you know what? Unless those other distros patched the upstream release, they have the *same* bugs, and are just as unstable. If you find another distro that has a more stable package, you can mention that in the bug report. The package maintainer should be sharp enough to catch on "Hey, someone else might have a fix before upstream does"
12:39[~]paxcoder thanks for the h and passes it on :-D LOL
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12:40<paxcoder>Supaplex: That's why I think it's an installation thing, not a program thing
12:40<paxcoder>Suppaplex: THat is, upgrade thing
12:41<Supaplex>enlighten me, what's keyboard mapper?
12:41<themill>paxcoder: the d-i team actively wants your installation report. Especially if it failed. You'll find them on too and they might have some more thoughts.
12:41<paxcoder>Supaplex: the keybourd thingy in... preferences. I ment to correct that, sry
12:42<paxcoder>themill: update goes trough, i klick on keyboard nothing runs, no bug report. It would be mighty stupid to report that.
12:43<themill>paxcoder: no you wouldn't. That sounds like a dependency problem in gnome-control-center. If you work with someone here who uses gnome (I don't) you can probably work out what. And then file it.
12:43<Supaplex>you can use debian-user mailing list to stage issues that might be bug related.
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12:43<paxcoder>themill: sorry, not convinced
12:44<themill>paxcoder: if you're not prepared to work with people here to get things working, why are you using Free software?
12:44<themill>paxcoder: In fact, if you don't want help, why are you here at all?
12:44<paxcoder>Supaplex: I think the whole thing can't update that easily. And things are deeper. My "Keyboard won't run" report wouldn't help
12:44<paxcoder>themill: I am, just when I see the point.
12:45<themill>paxcoder: but it *should* dist-upgrade properly. We need to work out why.
12:45<paxcoder>themill: ok, my bug report is officialy given to you by now. fix it
12:45<paxcoder>the mill: sorry
12:45<Supaplex>paxcoder: like I said, start with what you know. you'll collect the rest of the details sooner or later, and if there's a clear bug, then you can file it if you wish.
12:46<paxcoder>Supaplex: all I know, I already told you
12:46<Supaplex>did you try adding a new user? maybe it's profile related
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12:46[~]edthefox scratches his head and thinks about how stubborn some people can be, then he says to himself, wtf do I care? He then promptly gets up, grabs his coat and hat and heads off to lunch... winking at the secretary on the way out the door...
12:46<Supaplex>paxcoder: ok, good. so pop quiz, bug or not so far?
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12:47<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
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12:47<paxcoder>Supaplex: an error somewhere, is it in the Keyboard program, no way to know?
12:47<themill>paxcoder: We need you to help work out what's gone wrong. We (both) need to work with people who know the packages better to work out what's happening. We don't expect you to file the bug report on your own necessarily, but collectively we can work out what went wrong and then do something about it. Saying that you don't see the point doesn't help anyone, least of all yourself.
12:48<college>how do i install apps ?
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12:48<paxcoder>themill: we are here, I'm open to working it out, but I don't know, nor see how to make it work. If you have a suggestion, bring it on
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12:48<Supaplex>paxcoder: are you getting the error now?
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12:49<paxcoder>!tell college -about apt-get
12:49<janux-xmind>hi guys!
12:49<paxcoder>Supaplex: no, I'm on stable now.
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12:49<janux-xmind>how can i set filesystem permission to a folder and all its sub folders and files
12:50<Christmas>janux-xmind use -R option
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12:50<Christmas>like chmod -R 755 directory
12:50<Supaplex>paxcoder: so we're chasing our tail. this was all speculative because there's no way to reproduce it at present.
12:50<themill>paxcoder: There's not much we can do to work out things unless you're either running testing or prepared to upgrade.
12:50<paxcoder>janux-xmind chmod ### /destination_folder -r
12:50<Supaplex>janux-xmind: be wary of -R, it'll change files and folders
12:51<Christmas>so if you make a folder non-executable you won't be able to access it
12:51<janux-xmind>can i put the option just in front of the chmod parameters?
12:51<paxcoder>Christmas: good to know. that sux :-)
12:51<Supaplex>janux-xmind: what permissions do you want?
12:51<Christmas>i know but i got used to it :))
12:51<Supaplex>!tell janux-xmind -about grounding
12:52<paxcoder>Supaplex: I admit ^ , but there's really not much to find out
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12:52<paxcoder>themill: don't say it works for you
12:52<paxcoder>I'm gonna try debootstrap
12:52<janux-xmind>read and execute for group and other
12:52<themill>paxcoder: I don't run gnome and I don't have lenny on any machines here to test it out anyway so I can't :)
12:53<themill>paxcoder: When you get to lenny, check if you have a program "/usr/bin/gnome-keyboard-properties"? (I presume that's the one you are missing.. but the S/N has been sufficiently poor as to make that difficult).
12:53<Supaplex>janux-xmind: on directories only? what permissions do you want the owner, group and everyone else to have? read? write? execute(file)/search(directory)?
12:54<paxcoder>themill: ok, thanks will do.
12:54<janux-xmind>read and execute for group and other
12:54<janux-xmind>set to the folder and all its sub folders and files
12:54<Supaplex>so chmod go=rx path/
12:54<themill>paxcoder: It should exist (it's in the lenny package). Try running it from the command line. If that works but the icon in gnome-control-center doesn't, then there's the start of your bug report :)
12:55<Supaplex>janux-xmind: so the files are executable to?
12:55<paxcoder>themill: good thinking. thanks. Peace (Jesus) be with you all. I'm gone.
12:55<Supaplex>janux-xmind: find path/ -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod og=rx
12:56<janux-xmind>i just want to be able to copy files and folders from my ntfs partition
12:56<Supaplex>oh, well why not mount it with ownership of your user? :) like mount -o uid=you
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13:01<Christmas>janux-xmind just make sure the directory is owned by you
13:01<Christmas>and then do the chmod command
13:01<janux-xmind>allready done
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13:07<abdelkhalak>how can i add the webadmin repo?
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13:08<themill>abdelkhalak: do anything other than use webmin
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13:08<Golfgeo>Hi all
13:08<themill>!tell abdelkhalak about webmin
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13:12<ranix>hey guys, calc.exe in Windows is really good
13:13<ranix>is there a calculator for X or the command line that is as good as calc?
13:13<ranix>or better
13:13<ranix>xcalc kind of sucks
13:13<abdelkhalak> /msg dpkg etch
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13:15<stew>ranix: for the command line, look at bc
13:15<Christmas>ranix try kcalc
13:15<Christmas>it is good enough
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13:16<Christmas>you have science option just like in win
13:18<Christmas>xcalc seems only to have a lower limit for calculations, right?
13:18<Christmas>like, for 999! it gives error
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13:31<college>wow check this out! i was just making an acount and i set the pasword,latter i typed stop hacking me. then i tryed to use my passwork and it sed it was incocect. i reseved a the passwork from the server and it wes fuck you .... my system has some security holes in it...can you guys help me ?
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13:32<stew>college: what do you mean by "i reseved a the passwork from the server"
13:33<JasonS>stew: is that all you didnt get? im still translating it
13:33<ponceano>I want conet #debian-mx
13:33<college>the pass work i set was z123456789z and it was changed to fuck you
13:33<JasonS>ponceano: /join #debian-mx
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13:33<college>some one is hacking my pc
13:34<stew>college: which password? where do you see this password?
13:34<fxiny>with a space in between ? must be some windows cracker then :P
13:34<college>when it was set to my wmail
13:35<ponceano>no , resenly I instal x-chat an open #debian IRC, only
13:35<stew>college: what email program is this?
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13:36<stew>college: its not possible to see what one's password is currently set to in gmail
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13:37<rasebo>it's the aliens!!! they are haxoring all gmail accounts!!!
13:37<college>i set a password on a sight and i forgot it ... thats wht i thought but it was set to fuck you sooo this must be a hack
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13:37<janux-xmind>hi guys!
13:38<college>the passwork was set to my gmail
13:38<janux-xmind>what is the best xml php and sql editor for debian?
13:38<stew>college: how do you know what your gmail password was set to?
13:38<college>resebo: what?
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13:39<college>no not my gmail password
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13:39<stew>college: which password?
13:39<college>the password to the sight i set up
13:39<stew>college: how do you know what your password to this site is?
13:39<college>some one did a huge hack
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13:40<JasonS>on what did they hack college
13:41<rasebo>this is an excellent candidate for rm -rf / :|
13:41[~]JasonS does smell something in the channel
13:41<janux-xmind>where can i find the source code for gecko
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13:41<college>stew: i set an acount up with . i set a password to i could not log in . i set the passwork to my gmail. and it was not to what i set it to
13:41<college>jasinS: i dont know somthing
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13:42[~]themill sends the black helicopters to snatch college
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13:43<college>na a van at 4 am is better
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13:43<rasebo>college, I don;t wanna be rude but and gmail have absolutely nothing to do with debian... perhaps someone would help you, though, if you only you knew how to explain wth you are talking about
13:43<Supaplex>!smart questions
13:43<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.
13:44<rasebo>thx Supaplex :)
13:44<college>it is a security risk. i am using debian and they hacked in ....we need a patch
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13:44<rasebo>you need a goddamn patch
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13:44<themill>!drug college
13:44[~]dpkg makes college smoke far too much crack and watches them be reduced to a gibbering heap of crap
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13:44<JasonS>college: no proof you were hacked, and even if you were patch what?
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13:45<fxiny>i bet it was no you connected
13:45<craigevil>wtf does a passwd from a random site not being correct and your system being hack have in common
13:45<JasonS>craigevil: indeed
13:45<college>i dont know i will send an email of my logs to the security groop and they can find out
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13:45<themill>I'm sure they can hardly wait.
13:46<JasonS>college: debian security? they wont go through your log files for you
13:46<stew>college: perhaps if you were in a channel where you could speak your native language you could get better help. what is your native language?
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13:46<college>they hacked the web brosser or the o.s.
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13:46<Supaplex>college: how do you figure? symptomps please...
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13:47<JasonS>ahh i bet it was tehm hackers that finally got him
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13:47<craigevil>lol no they either hacked the site or the email was sent to you as plain text and someone got it first
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13:48<Supaplex>That's it. I'm releasing a calendar with every day of the week is "stupidday".
13:48<themill>or just forgot what the login was... or was on really good drugs...
13:48<Supaplex>college gets the first copy.
13:49<JasonS>we know anyone on the security team? a copy of that email would be fun to read
13:49<craigevil>dam he left>
13:50<stew>i think it was a troll. i don't know how one would be able to know that one's gmail password was changed AND also know what it was changed to. your current password should never be viewable
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13:50<themill>craigevil: nice
13:52<craigevil>Supaplex: lol
13:53<Supaplex>all these are mine. check out the timestamps. I got bored one night. :)
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14:03<Basetom>Hola caps
14:04<casp>hola baseton
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14:04<Basetom>estoy probando mi instalación de X-chat
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14:05<casp>a ok
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14:05<casp>bueno yo estoy con el de gnome x-chat
14:06<Basetom>yo no tenia ninguno, ya saves tantas cossa en las que estamos en la ignorancia digital
14:06<casp>eso es verdad
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14:07<Basetom>solo recibía lo de la lista de Ubuntu-es, pero resien migre a Debian-4
14:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:08<Basetom>ya nos estan corriendo
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14:10<Basetom>Sorry for all, I'm the fitst time at IRC chanel
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14:12<raven>I need help in compiling.
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14:13<casp>rave ok
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14:16<Guest735>merry crismans to all
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14:21<raven_>I need help in compiling.
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14:22<streuner>compiling what?
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14:23<lordgoth>any advice for setting up irssi for the first time?
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14:24<raven_>streuner: cloop for debian sid, 2.6.18-2
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14:35<mirtec001>I was looking for help with brctl
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14:35<mirtec001>does anyone have any luck with bridging under Debian?
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14:37<sepski>mirtec001, yes it's very easy and reliable
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14:39<sepski>mirtec001, install the bridge-utils package then use use the example in the doc. zless /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz you just define the bridge in interface file like any other interface.
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14:39<sepski>you must ofcourse load the bridge kernel module
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14:41<mirtec001>hi all
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14:41<mirtec001>I was looking for some help...
14:42<sepski><sepski> mirtec001, yes it's very easy and reliable
14:42<sepski><sepski> mirtec001, install the bridge-utils package then use use the example in the doc. zless /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz you just define the bridge in interface file like any other interface.
14:42<sepski><sepski> you must ofcourse load the bridge kernel module
14:42<cahoot>this is slightly absurd
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14:48<mirtec001>Has anyone had any luck with bridging in Debian?
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14:50<sepski>mire, are you serious ? i'v answered you 2 times allready
14:50<sepski>mirtec001, ^^
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14:52<JasonS>heh 4th time the charm sepski
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14:52<dpkg>one warez list being sent to luca_
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14:57<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mikegrb
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14:57<mikegrb>lies! I got no list!
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14:58<Supaplex>!tell mikegrb about list
14:58<Supaplex>hahaa :P
14:59<JasonS>still think that trigger should cause dpkg to send one tiny file a ton of times to the nick who triggered it
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14:59<Supaplex>uhhh no. why not a copy of the apt-file caches? :P
14:59<sepski>JasonS, why not the entire repository, for all arches and all versions including experimental and oldstable with working links ? :)
15:01<mikegrb> just Contents-i386.gz or somesuch
15:01<mikegrb>maybe uncompressed
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15:02[~]Supaplex ponders making a script for irssi humm.....
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15:02<Supaplex>mikegrb: tempting :)
15:03[~]mikegrb heads home from work
15:03<Supaplex>travel safe :)
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15:19<fatal>hello, I'd like to investigate the need for backwards compatability of the "media" option in ifupdown.... does anyone in here not get 0 when they run: grep -ci media /etc/network/interfaces ?
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15:22<Supaplex>fatal: all 0's here. that's including one sarge box.
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15:22<jelly-home>fatal: I have never seen it in some 50-100 machines, and about 10 years of using Debian.
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15:22<jelly-home>wotsit do?
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15:23<Trinchen>Hi there!
15:23<fatal>jelly-home: driver dependent, that's why I don't want to implement backwards compatability for it... (experimental version of ifupdown is moving from net-tools (think ifconfig) to iproute)
15:23<jelly-home>fatal: high time for that!
15:24<jelly-home>(Re: iproute, I mean)
15:24<Trinchen>I need help in compiling.
15:24<Supaplex>!tell Trinchen -about ask
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15:25<jelly-home>fatal: I think a note in release notes and NEWS.Debian would be enough, but that's just my never-used-it talk
15:25<fatal>jelly-home: that was exactly whan I was thinking. ;)
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15:27<yanntech>hi everyone
15:27<jelly-home>been a long time since I've even seen a combo UTP/BNC card to be honest
15:27<yanntech>an guy to confirm the ping bug ?
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15:27<yanntech>type : ping -i 3600
15:27<yanntech>and monitor your cpuusage (like top)
15:28<jelly-home>yanntech: ho yes, a busyloop here on lenny
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15:28<Trinchen>My cloop module doesn't compile. Output:
15:28<Trinchen>root@Enigma:/usr/src/modules/cloop# make KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux-
15:28<Trinchen>cd advancecomp-1.15 && ./configure
15:28<Trinchen>/bin/sh: line 0: cd: advancecomp-1.15: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
15:28<Trinchen>make: *** [advancecomp-1.15/config.status] Fehler
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15:29<yanntech>jelly-home, on etch, lenny this bug appear
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15:29<yanntech>i view the sourcecode but i don't view any loop
15:29<yanntech>package name : inetutils-ping
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15:29<Trinchen>What's up??? :/
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15:29<Supaplex>Trinchen: use m-a
15:29<Supaplex>!tell Trinchen -about m-a
15:30<jelly-home>yanntech: lots of sched_yield() invoking with strace I see, hmm.
15:30<Supaplex>Trinchen: oh, and next time use a paste site like :)
15:30<yanntech>yeah i have see
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15:41<alex>I've been trying to install Nvidia drivers for my 7100 gs in xterm. I keep getting an error saying X server is open, please close and try again
15:42<alex>i try to run Bash instead but nothing happens
15:42<cahoot> stop gdm
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15:42<cahoot>better still - use m-a
15:43<cahoot> use m-a
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15:44<MichaelScholz>alex: is it clear what cahoot means?
15:44<MichaelScholz>I am a noob and did it yesterday so I can write the steps I did
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15:45<cahoot>alex: to keep an upgradable debian system it's best to use debians method to instal nvidia
15:46<alex>like their apt-get stuff?
15:46<cahoot>module-assistant for nvidia
15:46<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
15:50<MichaelScholz>I downloaded this file from the nvidia site.
15:50<paulb>o **** l
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15:51<cahoot>MichaelScholz: it works but can mess up mesa etc - hence might induce problems later on
15:51<alex>can items 0-4 in the overview be any less specific?
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15:52<alex>step 1. Install Kernal Module..
15:52<alex>wut does that mean what does 0 mean?
15:52<alex>reading doesn't help without some explanation
15:52<cahoot>alex: what debian version?
15:53<alex>don't know i'm noob
15:53<MichaelScholz>uname -r in concole
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15:54<cahoot>lsb_release -a
15:54<MichaelScholz>etch, isn't it?
15:55<MichaelScholz>I shut up , cahoot can help you better ...
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15:55<cahoot>I doubt that
15:57<chealer>alex: 0 is "0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult sources.list(5) manpage for help on doing this)"
15:58<magnusberg>Hi Debian friends!
15:58<magnusberg>I'm going to my mum tomorrow for christmas holliday and was looking for the latest weekly build cd:s to intall on her (my) PPC but I can't find any weekly build cd:s at all at
15:58<magnusberg>What had happened with the PPC cd:s?
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15:59<rasebo>typing really fast gets you kicked lol
15:59<alex>oh well it apparently can't find the file
15:59<cahoot>should have left out the greeting
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16:00<alex>0 = 0 doesn't really explain it to me
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16:02<chealer>alex: the explanation is the sentence that follows "0."
16:02<alex>i'm not concerned with tataulogies at the moment
16:02<rasebo>does anyone know if is down atm?
16:02<stew>haha that is the first time ive EVER seen that magnus troll actually be on topic, and he gets kicked by debhelper
16:02<alex>and sources.list(5) is apparently in Spanish
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16:03<alex>La lista de recursos de paquetes se usa para localizar ficheros del sistema
16:04<chealer>rasebo: it seems to be...
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16:05<MichaelScholz>alex: you have downloaded the linux-driver from nvidia site right?
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16:06<rasebo>thx least it's not from my end...this time :(
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16:06<alex>I have downloaded it from Nvidia site
16:07<Supaplex>it's as easy as jesus123
16:07<alex>i did: ./ whateverthenameofthedriverwas.bin
16:07<alex>and it tells me to turn off xserver
16:07<alex>which is where i am stuck
16:07<MichaelScholz>I did it this way: I pressed ctrl + alt + F1 to get into a shell an logged in as root
16:08<MichaelScholz>then I entered /etc/init.d/gdm stop to stop this X thing
16:08<MichaelScholz>I had to start it again with gdm start
16:08<MichaelScholz>to download linux-header and 1 libary
16:09<MichaelScholz>the installer told me which one
16:09<alex>ok i'll try it
16:09<MichaelScholz>I downloaded it with the synaptic package manager
16:10<MichaelScholz>in DESKTOP/Administration...
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16:11<MichaelScholz>When a noob tell a noob what to do :)
16:11<rasebo>No manual entry for jesus123
16:12<Supaplex>ya gotta read the right books bro ;)
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16:14<MichaelScholz>Seems that, I haven't read it.
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16:34<MichaelScholz>seems that alex got lost in the installation-path :)
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16:38<edthefox>*if i have to listen to 'the most wonderful time of year' one more time.... so help me i'm gonna stand on my desk and rip the friggend speaker out of the ceiling!!! argh!!*
16:39<edthefox>... sorry
16:39<edthefox>i had to vent o.O
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16:41<Supaplex>!sing last christmas
16:41<dpkg>Last christmas i gave you my heart, but the very next day you gave it away (and then i got arrested for trying to get a blowjob from this cop)
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16:43<jelly-home>dpkg: kill yourself
16:43[~]dpkg rips off yourself's balls with a Knoppix CD
16:44[~]edthefox snickers silently as he devises his plan to come to work after hours and *modify* the speaker in his office ceiling
16:44<Supaplex>edthefox: what's your cellphone#? I want to send you a cute christmas song ;) buhuhahaaahaa
16:45[~]Supaplex hides behind ravenbird
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16:55<edthefox>Supaplex: do you know anything about scripting in/with/for irssi??
16:56<Christmas>!sing christmas
16:56<Christmas>!sing last christmas
16:56<dpkg>Last christmas i gave you my heart, but the very next day you gave it away (and then i got arrested for trying to get a blowjob from this cop)
16:56<Christmas>use perl for irssi scripting
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17:07<Supaplex>!sing to Christmas
17:07<Supaplex>edthefox: like Christmas suggested, perl
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17:26<kg__>ok, is something really messed up with my ncurses - sometimes I open something like aptitude and get a very messed-up display. happens from the console, xterm, gnome-terminal.. but sometimes its fine
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17:26<kg__>once i opened it in one terminal and the interface was corrupted, then i opened a new terminal and it was perfect
17:26<Linuxrookie>I am using Ubuntu and trying to remove a bunch of programs from linux, when I use dpkg --remove whatever it acts as if it is going to remove program then says Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), Ideas?
17:26<kg__>this isn't far from being an entirely Etch install either
17:27<kg__>Linuxrookie: well it will say further up in the output, before the error code (1), what the actual problem is
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17:29<Linuxrookie>It says Errors were encountered while processing: fluxbuntu-default-settings then it goes into the Sub-process thing
17:29<Supaplex>Linuxrookie: pssst, study the topic.
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17:29<Linuxrookie>Supaplex: oops sorry
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17:34<JasonS>fluxbuntu? damn thing is breeding like rabbits
17:35<Supaplex>more like the flu bug. :p
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17:46<rogerdel>e ai
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17:47<rogerdel>j/ brasil
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18:11<peter_>"A error occured, please run Package Manager from the right-clic menu or apt-get on a terminal to see what is wrong. The error message was: 'Error: Opening the cache (E:Opening /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifsteam (13 Permission denied), E: the list of sources could not be read"
18:11<peter_>what can I do ?
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18:12<kooll>peter_: make sure you are running the command with enough rights (as root, or using sudo)
18:12<kooll>and check the /etc/apt/sources.list file
18:12<peter_>kooll, what should I check in it ?
18:12<kooll>existence, and permissions
18:13<peter_>kooll, I had to reinsall debian, but I save my sources.list on another hard drive
18:13<JasonS>not to mention permissins on teh file
18:13<JasonS>peter_: why? why didnt you just edit it? heh
18:13<kooll>peter_: so, you copied it other the old one ? it should work
18:14<peter_>kooll, after I have installed etch, I rm sources.list and copy it from another hard disk to /etc/apt/
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18:14<peter_>kooll, when I startX after the desktop launch, there is an update-icon. When I move mouse on it the error that I write here appears
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18:15<JasonS>peter_: try doing it as root from a term
18:16<peter_>JansonS I did, but what do you want it do?
18:16<peter_>JasonS, apt-get and aptitude update well, there is no error
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18:18<JasonS>so then ignore the annoying update-icon or check what it's looking to
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18:19<icks>peter_: is this update-thingie running as user? can you view sources.list as user?
18:20<peter_>icks, no I cant
18:20<peter_>icks, I mean, I cant view sources.list as user
18:20<icks>guess that's the problem then
18:20<peter_>icks, and I also cant update as user
18:20<JasonS>good nor sould you be able to
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18:22<JasonS>sould? what the heck is sould
18:23<peter_>icks, what should I do? Im new to linux
18:23<JasonS>peter_: you run it either from a term as root, see if you have an option on that silly icon if you right click to run as root or remove it from your taskbar
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18:23<JasonS>i miss anything folks?
18:25<icks>well it shouldn't be bad to make sources.list world-readable (it is on my fresh install), so this update-thingie can check for updates.. although i haven't seen such a thing here
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18:26<JasonS>icks: cat /etc/apt/sources.list does work as user
18:26<JasonS>so does nano, must be the icon
18:26<peter_>JasonS, but I cant read sources.list as user
18:26<icks>JasonS: peter_ said he couldn't cat the file as user
18:26<JasonS>peter_: through the icon? or a term?
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18:26[~]JasonS scrolls up
18:27<peter_>JasonS, have you ever cat /etc/apt/sources.list from an icon ? :)
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18:27<agent>how do i remove all attachments from a maildir folder, without removing the emails? i use both kmail and mutt
18:27[~]Supaplex unscrolls JasonS down
18:27<icks>peter_: try chmod a+r /etc/apt/sources.list; chmod a+rx /etc/apt
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18:27<JasonS>peter_: no but i dont actually see you saying you cant cat it, just means i scrolled by usually though
18:28<peter_>ok im goin to restart x
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18:29<icks>where's that icon coming from, anyway?
18:29<JasonS>icks: seriously did they say they couldn't cat the file or am i being blinder then normal?
18:29<icks>00:20 < peter_> icks, no I cant
18:29<icks>00:20 < peter_> icks, I mean, I cant view sources.list as user
18:29<JasonS>icks: so they didn't say they cant cat it just that they couldnt view it
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18:29[~]JasonS stands by his question of icon then
18:30<peter_>well, looks like it gone
18:30<peter_>I can also cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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18:30<icks>JasonS: where's the difference between "cat"ing and "view"ing a file? ;)
18:31<JasonS>icks: a lot considering we're dealing with a "update icon" of some sort and a new linux user
18:31<icks>peter_: i was wondering where you got this icon from? i've installed etch a few days ago and can't remember having seen such a thing
18:31<peter_>icks, the update icon that is showin in top right corner
18:31<icks>ok, JasonS
18:32<JasonS>peter_: what wm/de?
18:32<JasonS>thats window manager or display enviroment by the way
18:32<peter_>JasonS, I dont understand
18:32<peter_>im on gnome
18:32<peter_>icks, if you install etch from cd, you will need to update linux-image at first
18:32<peter_>icks, it is the first thing that will call itself for update
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18:33<peter_>icks, ofcours I always have it when I install new etch
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18:33<icks>icks: ah, ok, i did a netinstall, maybe that's the reason, or i just deactivated it and can't remember i did..
18:34<JasonS>peter_: ask in #gnome perhaps?
18:34<icks>err, peter_....
18:34<icks>i should get some sleep
18:34<JasonS>or idle around until a gnome user answers
18:34<peter_>JasonS, but I told that it already gone :)
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18:34<peter_>JasonS, its already done and works fine :)
18:34<JasonS>peter_: doesnt mean its not going to come back, didnt you say as root from a term update worked?
18:35<JasonS>so theres no more updates for that icon to find so it's gone
18:35<peter_>JasonS, it should always work when there is software update
18:35<icks>JasonS: i think the problem was that this icon couldn't read sources.list
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18:35<peter_>icks, after I chmod it as you said the error gone
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18:36<icks>ok, then that was the problem. maybe your backup copy of sources.list had wrong permissions set
18:36<peter_>I guess so
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18:37<icks>which would likely be the case if you backed it up to a fat partition (usb-stick..) with mode=something
18:37<peter_>icks, exactly, :) I backed it to fat partition on usb-stick
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18:46<alex>i get an error now saying that cc is not on my path when i try to install nividia 7100 driver on my 64 bit debina
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18:48<alex>i guess this makes sense.. the commands gcc and cc don't do anything when i try to use them. how do i fix?
18:48<icks>install a compiler?
18:48<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
18:49<Supaplex>!tell alex -about nvidia
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18:50<l00kp>Hey guys; anyone mind helping me getting a linksys WPC54G card up and running?
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18:52<alex>i didn't know linux distributions didn't come with a c compiler..
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18:52<gsimmons>l00kp: What version/revision of this card do you have?
18:52<alex>how is that possible even..
18:53<ifvoid>alex: ?
18:53<ifvoid>alex: debian comes with gcc
18:53<ifvoid>it might not be installed by default
18:53<Supaplex>alex: everything else is precompiled. you don't normally have to compile anything in debian.
18:53<gsimmons>!tell l00kp -about msg
18:54<l00kp>v. 3
18:54<l00kp>I'm getting demsg microcode errors.
18:54<alex>so everything on the boot CD is a precompiled binary?
18:55<Supaplex>alex: yes, except gcc ;) (catch 22 joke)
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18:55<gsimmons>l00kp: From what I can determine, your device uses a Broadcom chipset. If it's supported by the bcm43xx driver, you'll need to supply firmware for its use, which would explain the microcode errors you're receiving.
18:56<ifvoid>alex: yes, compiling everything yourself would be a useless waste of resources and time
18:56<gsimmons>!tell l00kp -about bcm43xx
18:56<gsimmons>!tell l00kp -about bcm43xx-fwcutter
18:57<alex>ok i guess it works now.. i just tried "gcc" without input and it says no input files
18:57<Supaplex>!info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
18:57<dpkg>bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
18:57<alex>hopefully nivida install won't complain
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18:57<Supaplex>alex: sounds like your $PATH was goofus
18:58<l00kp>So what packages would I have to install to supply firmware?
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18:58<k-man_>something is wrong with my gdm/gnome instalation
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18:59<k-man_>when i log in, even for a brand new user, i just get a blank screen
18:59<k-man_>like no desktop or window manager is being loaded
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18:59<Supaplex>k-man_: what's this show? dpkg -l gdm | grep gdm
19:00<gsimmons>l00kp: Which Debian version are you using?
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19:00<k-man_>Supaplex, hang on, i just tried reinstalling gnome, and creating yet another new user
19:00<k-man_>Supaplex, and that user works
19:00<k-man_>so i think there was a problem with the config files for gnome or something
19:01<k-man_>anyway, ii gdm 2.18.4-1 GNOME Display Manager
19:01<k-man_>if thats of any help
19:01<Gryfelhase>I did a mistake and deleted /var. I've replaced it with a /var from a fresh installation on another partition
19:01<Hideo_Kuze>oh no
19:01<dli>Gryfelhase, that won't work
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19:02<Gryfelhase>I guess, there is no way, to get a list with alll installed packages back? :)
19:02<Supaplex>k-man_: so testing. did anyone report it at ?
19:02<baloo_laptop>What's with kdesu not remembering password even when the remember password checkbox is checked?
19:02<dli>Gryfelhase, backup /etc, reinstall system
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19:03<k-man_>Supaplex, good question, ill have a look
19:03<Hideo_Kuze>Gryfelhase: that's why you have be real careful running as root and rm -rf ;)
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19:03<l00kp>gsimmons: I forget, what command do I use for that?
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19:03<Gryfelhase>Hideo_Kuze: I reporganized the partitition of my hd ;) and I move /var to a new partition.... but deleted it afterwards ;)
19:04<dli>Gryfelhase, not a big deal, if you have good connection, reinstall system takes minutes to 1 hour
19:04<Supaplex>Gryfelhase: or spend a few minutes on google, "restore OR recover /var debian"
19:04<gsimmons>!tell l00kp -about version
19:04<Supaplex>Gryfelhase: reinstall is usually less time though :)
19:04<masterloki>hi there, can someone help to install kernel 2.6.20? I can't find it on aptitude
19:04<Supaplex>keep your /home+/etc someplace safe
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19:04<Supaplex>masterloki: why the need for 2.6.20?
19:05<l00kp>gsimmons: V. 4
19:05<Gryfelhase>Now, /home is on a save partition
19:05<gsimmons>!tell l00kp -about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
19:05<mirtec001>Has anyone setup a wirless sys w/ brctl?
19:05<masterloki>because 2.6.22 makes my pc hangs forever when boot up
19:05<Gryfelhase>But I don't know lthe list of all installed packages
19:05<Supaplex>masterloki: and 2.6.18?
19:05<dli>masterloki, very old pc?
19:05<gsimmons>l00kp: Follow the instructions provided to you by dpkg, for installation of the firmware to your system.
19:05<masterloki>is a compaq v3417LA
19:05<Gryfelhase>so I'll wait, until I have sime mor etime
19:06<masterloki>2.6.18 runs fine
19:06<Supaplex>mirtec001: some wireless devices are unable or prohibit spoofing their mac address, and thus are unable to effectively bridge.
19:06<masterloki>but since i moved to lenny automont won't work properly
19:06<masterloki>I have to run pmount
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19:06<mirtec001>I have a wireless Athos card and NIC, but when I run brctl, it drops my internet. I remove the bridge, and it comes up
19:07<mirtec001>I can connect to the wirelss card and see the shared folders, but it won't pass internet
19:07<dli>masterloki, can you try 2.6.22 with kernel parameters: irqpoll pci=routeirq noapic acpi=off
19:08<masterloki>I haven't tried it yet
19:09<k-man_>ok, now i have this other problem
19:09<Supaplex>k-man_: lady luck?
19:09<Supaplex>k-man_: jk. carry on :P
19:09<k-man_>in X, all my keys are screwed up. <space> gives me 7, B gives me S
19:09<masterloki>I'll try it and let you know
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19:10<k-man_>Supaplex, in fact, i have had this number problem for ages... i'vve never been able to work out what the problem is
19:10<dli>masterloki, I found similar problems with 2.6.22+ kernel, disabling apic acpi helps
19:10<Supaplex>k-man_: I'd check your keyboad mapping (or again, bts). I know gentoo has a similar issue in their topic.
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19:10<masterloki>dli: will I lose some functionality?
19:10<k-man_>how do i do that?
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19:11<dli>masterloki, not sure, I guess no
19:12<Supaplex>ok, maybe it wasn't #gentoo. I remember reading something about it in the last few hours, but didn't pay any more attention to it (mine isn't broke)
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19:12<dondelelcaro>k-man_: most likely you've got the wrong keymap defined in your xorg.conf
19:12<k-man_>Supaplex, ok.. can you give me a few hints as to what to search for?
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19:13<dondelelcaro>k-man_: if you look at your Xorg.0.log you may see it complaining about an invalid keymap or similar. It should (probably) be something like XkbRules "xorg" XkbModel "pc104" XkbLayout "us" (or similar)
19:13<k-man_>xorg.conf is configured with a pc104 us keyboard
19:14<dondelelcaro>k-man_: iirc, the last time I saw it, it was because they switch from xfree86 to xorg as the XkbRules
19:14<Supaplex>!tell k-man_ -about keymap
19:15<masterloki>dli: I've checked this before asking :)
19:16<dli>masterloki, so, you'd run 64 bit
19:16<dli>masterloki, sounds like a 32 bit bug to me
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19:16<masterloki>dli: no, i run 32 bit
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19:24<bebin>firefox freezes sone timers when i open a page contain video what could be the reason
19:25[~]Supaplex <3's flashblock for that very reason
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19:29<dli>bebin, I saw similar problems
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19:35<bebin>dli: did you find any solution
19:35<dli>bebin: rebuild firefox from source helps
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19:43<botup>i want to change my Gnom debian to KDE
19:43<botup>what is the command plz
19:44<azeem>botup: 1. install kde 2. run it
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19:45<botup>what is the cmd
19:45<botup>apt-get install kde?
19:45<azeem>botup: did you try that?
19:45<azeem>why not?
19:46<botup>i have do it no
19:46<botup>and it is very good
19:46<botup>is that for debian kde interface?
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19:54<botup>i want to install the package for CodeBlocks
19:55<botup>wich one is it plz
19:55<azeem>no idea what CodeBlocks is or does
19:55<azeem>botup: /msg dpkg search
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19:58<baloo_laptop_>What's with kdesu having a "remember password" option that doesn't work?
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20:01<botup>who know the name of codeblock pakage
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20:02<azeem>botup: is "codeblock" Free Software?
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20:06<azeem>botup: seems it's available in source form here:
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20:07<botup>can u help me
20:07<botup>to install it?
20:08<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
20:09<ifvoid>dpkg: u =~ s/ singular//
20:09<dpkg>ifvoid: cannot alter locked factoids
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20:16<l00kp>gsimmons: my system couldn't find the package when I did 'apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter'
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20:23<Supaplex>I'm looking to buy a new pci-e video card. I think I want to avoid the non-free crap. Any likes with a video card with FOSS drivers and supports multi-head+glx?
20:24<gsimmons>l00kp: That's fine. That's only there to remove the package, had you previously installed it and answered 'Yes' to fetching firmware (in Etch at least). Continue with the rest of the instructions.
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20:28<ifvoid>Supaplex: well, Intel
20:31<l00kp>gsimmons: 'apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter' package couldn't be found either.
20:32<ifvoid>Supaplex: but f you need real GL accelleration, you shoudl go with amd/ati
20:32<ifvoid>although the free drivers don't have glx support yet
20:32<ifvoid>the free ati drivers are actually moving forward pretty fast
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20:32<Supaplex>ahh cool. they're actually opening the bag huh?
20:32<amphi>Supaplex: maybe ;)
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20:35<Supaplex>mere speculation at this point
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20:38<gsimmons>l00kp: You need to add "contrib" sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
20:38<college>my bug buddy will not send information.
20:39<klando>I had a strange issue on an etch, group and owner of /var/run/identd change to ssh.99 ... someone saw that here ?
20:39<l00kp>gsimmons: What line would I add to the sources.list file?
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20:39[~]klando wondering if the last security update can have change that , buggy upgrade ?
20:40<gsimmons>!tell l00kp -about contrib
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20:41<Supaplex>ifvoid: how do intel vs ati compare c/o glx perforamnce on similar hardware features+pricing?
20:41<Supaplex>opinions are welcome :)
20:41<ifvoid>well, Intel only has on-board graphics cards
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20:42<ifvoid>so it's on the non-gamers end of the spectrum
20:42<ifvoid>ati abviously has all the high end graphics gamers cards
20:42<alaya>oh god i would never get an ati anything
20:42<ifvoid>why not?
20:43<ifvoid>amd is actually doing a pretty good job
20:43<klando>I bought one , once, for 3 hours, then get back to the shop
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20:43<ifvoid>yes, there are free drivers nowadays
20:43<ifvoid>ati was bought by amd and all that
20:43<alaya>especially if you are really into linux and want to do things like run the latest kernels
20:43<ifvoid>alaya: uh yes, there ar efree drivers
20:43<alaya>if you're an average/light user and only want to install once and are happy that way, I guess its fine
20:44<ifvoid>Supaplex: so it depends on what you want ot do with the card, really
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20:44<ifvoid>Supaplex: if you want to run games (possibly on dual boot with windows or such), ati is the top choice
20:44<alaya>ifvoid: at least for my card, the free driver is far less in performance
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20:44<alaya>not even dri
20:44<ifvoid>Supaplex: if you just want to use desktop apps and can buy an integrated motherboard/gfx soltions, go for intel
20:44<Supaplex>atm, nvidia has my 'nay' vote.
20:45<ifvoid>alaya: still, yes
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20:45<alaya>definitely go for the intel unless you are some ultra-high end gamer type
20:45<ifvoid>alaya: the free driver is only in development since the middle of this year or so
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20:46<alaya>ifvoid: i still have a bad taste in my mouth from the way ati dissed the linux people
20:46<ifvoid>intel will work very well, but won't have very high-end glx capabilities
20:46<ifvoid>alaya: uh?
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20:46<DocHopper>excuse me. but I could use some quick pointers for X11... If anyone is available
20:46<ifvoid>alaya: before they were aquired by amd you mean?
20:46<alaya>ifvoid: and still, despite massive lip service from amd, have sucky driver that won't compile with recent kernel, etc.
20:46<alaya>random crashes...
20:46<ifvoid>alaya: actually, even fglrx has improved immensely
20:47<ifvoid>and it does compile wiht the latest kernel
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20:47<ifvoid>DocHopper: just ask your question
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20:47<DocHopper>ok. sorry. didnt want to interrupt or presume... :-)
20:47<alaya>ifvoid: yeah, in the phoronix forums they talk about it. but the latest 7-11 driver won't build against very recent kernels nor work with debian's xorg, even with that guy's patches
20:48<alaya>ifvoid: the only driver that is working for me is 8.40
20:48<DocHopper>basically, I've installed debian. It's working great. But the X11 server only sees 640x480 for resolutions.
20:48<ifvoid>alaya: anyway, tfor high end graphics, nvidia and ati are the only players anyway
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20:48<DocHopper>I know I can change it, but I don't remember the path to the X11 config file
20:48<ifvoid>and ati/amd is the better choice there
20:48<alaya>ifvoid: nvidia is light years ahead of ati. i would go with them
20:48<ifvoid>DocHopper: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:48<ifvoid>alaya: no way
20:48<DocHopper>ok. lemme check
20:49<ifvoid>in 1 year, ati will have full free drivers
20:49<l00kp>gsimmons: apt-get still can't find the package
20:49<ifvoid>nvidia will be stuck in the middle ages
20:49<Supaplex>alaya: but bites ...
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20:49<alaya>ifvoid: yeah. even on performance. i just read a review of ati and nvidia chipsets somewhere...
20:49<gsimmons>l00kp: Please provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file at a paste site.
20:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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20:49<ifvoid>alaya: "a review" "somewhere"
20:50<ifvoid>sure, the top end cards are the nv 8800gtx noways
20:50<ifvoid>but then again, who would be so stupid to spend $500 on a video card?
20:50<alaya>ifvoid: yeah i'd have to try to find that link among the last 1000 i've visited
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20:51<ifvoid>alaya: in any case, the closed source driver all suck
20:51<alaya>ifvoid: agreed
20:51<ifvoid>alaya: the the free drivers work decently
20:51<ifvoid>and there are no free drivers for nvidia
20:51<ifvoid>nor will there be in the near future
20:51<alaya>ifvoid: i get motion sick from 3d games anyhow :-)
20:51<DocHopper>ifvoid, thanks. it was actually configured fine. I just needed to restart the XServer...
20:51<alaya>ifvoid: i'm one of the 30% who can't play them
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20:52<ifvoid>DocHopper: ctrl-alt-backspace will kill X
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20:52<DocHopper>yessir. I knew that part. but didn't want to do it until it was configured properly...
20:52<DocHopper>just wanted to check the conig first
20:52<alaya>and i don't do CAD
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20:56<gsimmons>l00kp: You've insufficient sources. You'll need to add a line for a Debian mirror in your country, see <> for an example. Run "apt-get update" after your amendment and try again.
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21:01<jrolland-iMac>Where is libxft installed?
21:02<jrolland-iMac>on Etch?
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21:02<Hideo_Kuze>check /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxft.list
21:03<Hideo_Kuze>or whatever the package name for libxft is
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21:05<l00kp2>gsimmons: The version 3 firmware was installed. What's next?
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21:08<gsimmons>l00kp2: Try to use your card, the firmware will be loaded by the bcm43xx driver when the radio is activated. Install the 'wireless-tools' package if you haven't already. Read the iwconfig man page and see /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian.
21:09<l00kp2>gsimmons: Thanks for the help. I appreciate it.
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21:09<jrolland-iMac>OK, looks like it's in /usr/include/X11/Xft - thanks for the help
21:10<gsimmons>l00kp2: np
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21:11<jrolland-iMac>Are there any plans to have KompoZer or NVu in Lenny, does anyone know?
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21:16<SNN>Can anyone please tell me what this means?
21:16<SNN>eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0003, PHY status 786d, resetting...
21:16<SNN>via-rhine: Reset not complete yet. Trying harder.
21:16<SNN>eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
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21:16<jrolland-iMac>OK, I found NVu in sarge-backports; is there anyway to get it on my Etch box?
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21:22<gsimmons>jrolland-iMac: NVu has been abandoned upstream (see bug #393065). There's a third-party Debian package for KompoZer available from <>.
21:23<jrolland-iMac>gsimmons: I am using PPC :(
21:26<gsimmons>jrolland-iMac: Ah. You'll likely need to compile it then. I don't believe a KompoZer package is currently being worked on.
21:26<jrolland-iMac>Yeah, that's what I was afraid of
21:27<jrolland-iMac>Is there anyway to ask nicely to get KompoZer added to the list of projects?
21:27<jrolland-iMac>It's a really great program
21:27<dpkg>it has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
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21:29<gsimmons>jrolland-iMac: Ah, is one already submitted. See bug #406553.
21:29<gsimmons>s/is/there is/
21:30<jrolland-iMac>Right, just found it
21:30<jrolland-iMac>Well, a boy can dream ...
21:30<jrolland-iMac>Until then, I'm in libxft hell
21:30<jrolland-iMac>(I can't get KompoZer to compile)
21:31<gsimmons>jrolland-iMac: Do you have the 'libxft-dev' package installed?
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21:40<foc>this is a long shot but does anyone know why the ubuntu servers are down?
21:40<jrolland-iMac>gsimmons: Yes, but it appear Debian has it in a strange place or somthing, because I get a compile error
21:41<bebin>why debian does not detect pen tablet
21:42<dondelelcaro>bebin: depends on what type of pen tablet it is; you're going to have to provide more detail
21:42<dondelelcaro>jrolland-iMac: you'll have to give us the precise error that you'e getting
21:42<bebin>i have wp8060
21:43<jrolland-iMac>Well, I've been playing around with it a little
21:43<jrolland-iMac>Right now, I'm getting
21:43<jrolland-iMac>make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/include/X11/Xft'
21:44<jrolland-iMac>make[3]: *** No rule to make target `export'. Stop.
21:44<jrolland-iMac>I put something in
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21:44<bebin>dondelelcaro: i have WP8060 i ball pen tablet
21:45<bebin>dondelelcaro: i have WP8060 iball pen tablet
21:45<jrolland-iMac>I was following
21:46<jrolland-iMac>I put "tier_9_dirs += /usr/include/X11/Xft" after "ifdef MOZ_ENABLE_GTK2"
21:47<jrolland-iMac>I evidently need a different directory for libxft to feed
21:47<jrolland-iMac>That enough?
21:47<jrolland-iMac>Oh, yeah, I'll post the .list file for libxft in a sec
21:48<bebin>why debian does not detect digital pen tablet i have WP8060 iball pen tablet
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21:49<jrolland-iMac>.list output at
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21:56<bebin>dondelelcaro: why debian does not detect digital pen tablet i have WP8060 iball pen tablet
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22:04<dondelelcaro>bebin: I have no idea; most likely the kernel doesn't support it or someone hasn't made drivers for it.
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22:05<dondelelcaro>jrolland-iMac: I'd have to see the actual make run output to see what the problem is
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22:07<jrolland-iMac>I took out what I added to and I'm recompiling (takes 5-10 minutes); I'll post output to pastebin after
22:07<jrolland-iMac>Thanks for the help
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22:09<bebin>how to make a drive accessable for evey users example ntfs and fat
22:10<kop>bebin : You're talking about dual-booting?
22:12<bebin>kop: i am talking abou how to access all drives and windows filesystem from debian
22:12<jrolland-iMac>I am told the references are defined in libxft
22:12<kop>I just read about a box that "took 3 minutes to start Open Office" because it was "a 128MB system configured with 1G swap". I don't get it. The only thing a large swap space would do is increase the size of the page tables, tlb, etc. Is this enough to cause the bad effects claimed or am I missing something?
22:13<dondelelcaro>jrolland-iMac: I need to see the whole output, specifically the line to the linker.
22:13<dondelelcaro>kop: no, it wouldn't do anything like that.
22:13<kop>bebin : You need the right kernel modules installed (which I think are there by default). Then you use the mount command with -t to say what the fs type is "ntfs", "fat", "fat32", etc.
22:14<dondelelcaro>kop: though if open office needs more than ~64M of memory (which it probably does), the system is going to have to hit swap hard to get enough
22:14<kop>bebin : You can put the information into the /etc/fstab table so you don't have to use -t with mount.
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22:14<jrolland-iMac>That is as much as would fit in my terminal window
22:14<hamadooo>is this server the same server for ubuntu
22:14<kop>bebin : And you can also put an "auto" option in fstab to tell the system to mount the filesystems at boot.
22:14<dondelelcaro>jrolland-iMac: well, put the output into a file
22:15<dondelelcaro>hamadooo: no, you want
22:15<hamadooo>yes thanx :*
22:15<jrolland-iMac>Good idea
22:15<dondelelcaro>(or scroll your terminal)
22:15<kop>bebin : mount and fstab have man pages, or read the debian reference manual at
22:15<dondelelcaro>most likely the -L line is wrong for the linker, or it's not linking to -lxft, but I'd have to see to know
22:16<kop>dondelelcaro : Ok. Thanks. So the guy is blowing smoke.
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22:18<bebin>kop: i did it but some problem with ntfs file system
22:18<kop>bebin : Oops, I think I lie and the default for an entry in fstab is to mount at boot time.
22:19<kop>bebin : We'd need to see the error message. (Don't paste into irc unless it's a short line or fragment thereof.) We'd also want to see the command you typed.
22:19<kop>!tell bebin -about paste
22:21<bebin>/dev/hda1 /mnt/c ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0
22:21<bebin>kop: /dev/hda1 /mnt/c ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0
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22:23<kop>bebin : And what's the error you get?
22:23<dondelelcaro>kop: well, if the point is that openoffice uses memory, that's a given. But if the point is that it's slow, that's kind of a stupid way of measuring it
22:24<kop>dondelelcaro : His point was that configuring a 128MB system with 1G swap made the system slow. Aside from page table overhead I don't get it.
22:24<dondelelcaro>kop: heh. no, that's a load of budkis.
22:25<dondelelcaro>these days, I'd be surprised if you could have a 128M system that was actually using memory that didn't appear slow.
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22:26<bebin>kop: it says you dont have no permission to view the content in the drive
22:26<jrolland-iMac>This is the best that I could do
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22:27<kop>bebin : The exact error message would be more helpful. (But O
22:27<jrolland-iMac>It appears to have stopped writing to the file and began writing to stdout after 2622 lines
22:27<kop>bebin : But I'm at bit of a loss with that message.)
22:28<kop>bebin : Does "file -s /dev/hda1" tell you you've an ntfs file system on hda1?
22:29<bebin>kop: i dont know the exact error message it happened in my friends house when i opened the drive
22:29<dondelelcaro>jrolland-iMac: those error messages go to STDERR, so you need to foocmd > foofile 2>&1
22:30<bebin>kop: i am sure it is a ntfs file system because i formatted it
22:30<jrolland-iMac>OK, trying
22:31<jrolland-iMac>You just want me to put "2>&1" after the redirect, right?
22:31<kop>bebin: Dunno. You might try (as root) using "mount" first and then once you've got the right options making the fstab entry.
22:31<bebin>kop: it has a x symbol on that drive but as a root i am able to access it
22:32<kop>bebin : Because you formatted in (in linux) that's an indication that you've the right stuff installed to mount it. But maybe there's an addtional package you need for ntfs support?
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22:32<kop>bebin : What do you mean it has an "x". In what program.
22:33<kop>jrolland-iMac : Yes.
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22:34<bebin>kop: i mounted ntfs filesystem in /mnt/c the file c has a x symbel on it like lost+found file has
22:34<istoc>Hi, what is the name of the owner of system processes and daemons? Thanks.
22:35<kop>istoc: For best security, each daemon has it's own owner. Got any specifics?
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22:37<kop>bebin : That "x" means the execute bit is set, which on directories means that you can traverse the directory and get to stuff inside it (although you must know the exact path unless you've also r (read) rights.)
22:37<istoc>Im trying to start muddleftpd and it's giving me this error: Starting FTP server: CONFIG: Error on line 0, File was not deemed safe. Must not be group/world writable and must be owned by process owner.
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22:37<istoc>Muddleftpd is complaining that it must be owned by the process owner
22:37<kop>bebin : It's a generic property of directories. Maybe it mounted and you just don't have permissions to get inside? I don't know how ntfs permissions map to unix ones. You'll have to ask the channel.
22:38<bebin>kop: ok
22:38<istoc>oops I typed twice
22:39<kop>bebin : Maybe become root and try cd-ing into /mnt/c and see if you can poke around. If so, then it's a permission issue and you need to somehow give people permission. Maybe add people to a group?
22:39<kop>bebin : If you just type "mount" you can see what's mounted.
22:41<kop>istoc : I'd say the config file must be owned by root, and not writable by anybody else. If that's not right then maybe look at the man page or /usr/share/doc/Muddleftp*/README.Debian ?
22:42<istoc>kop: Thanks Ill check the documentation
22:44<bebin>kop: thanks for your help
22:44<bebin>kop: why debian does not detect digital pen tablet i have WP8060 iball pen tablet
22:45<istoc>kop: It looks like theres no documentation in /usr/share/doc for muddleftpd
22:45<kop>bebin : Dunno, start with lspci or lsusb and see if the system sees it. (And ask the channel they'll know more than me.)
22:45<istoc>And the site's documentation is a bunch of broken links
22:45<kop>istoc: You could do "dpkg -L muddleftp" and see what docs there are.
22:46<istoc>Sigh, I just reaslized what the problem was. I was looking in the terminal for the wrong system, sorry
22:49<bebin>kop: yep it detects it an it not working as it should but in windows work fine
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22:51<bebin>kop: in this channel i didnt get any reply for this pen tablet is there any other channel
22:52<jrolland-iMac>OK, I gotta go to a soccer game
22:52<jrolland-iMac>Thanks for all the help, maybe we can finish some other time
22:53<jrolland-iMac>My email address is <> if you can email me something enlightening about my problem
22:53<jrolland-iMac>Thanks again, I never dreamed it would take this long
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22:59<cpetzel>hey I need some help
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23:01<cpetzel>can you help me
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23:05<Requiem>cpetzel:what's the problem?
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23:09<cpetzel>I need to find a way to sync my pocket pc with Ubuntu
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23:30<Alcap>does anyone uses XFCE in this channel?
23:30<Supaplex>!does anyone use XFCE in this channel
23:30<Supaplex>!anyone use XFCE in this channel
23:30<dpkg>No, no one uses XFCE in this channel, not even the people who use it.
23:31<Supaplex>cpetzel: stumped? I think part of the answer is in the topic :)
23:31<Alcap>XFCE starts with metacity
23:31<Alcap>I can't get it to change
23:32<Alcap>not even after sending metacity to an obscure part of the hard drive
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23:32<Alcap>apt-get remove metacity
23:32<Alcap>when I right click on the background, I can see that xfwm is not running
23:33<jla>Isn't there some package that indexes the html documentation of other packages?
23:33<cpetzel>how I not been able to make it work even with wine
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23:33<Supaplex>cpetzel: study the ubuntu part of the topic
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23:35<Alcap>does anyone know if there's a command that tells you which WM you're running?
23:35<cpetzel>is there a web link?
23:35<Supaplex>!tell cpetzel -about ubuntu
23:35<Hideo_Kuze>Alcap: ps faux?
23:36<Alcap>tried ps ax | grep xfwm
23:37<Supaplex>!tell Alcap -about wm
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23:38<cpetzel>ok thanks
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23:40<gsimmons>jla: You might be interested in the 'dhelp' package.
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23:41<jla>gsimmons: thank you. I know I had read a reference to something once upon a time, but when I search around I look for the wrong thing.
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23:48<Alcap>supaplex, have you used or are you using XFCE?
23:48<Supaplex>I <3 flwm
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23:49<Supaplex>haven't used anything cept some kde for ehhhvaah
23:49<Alcap>do you at least know what happens when you right click on the background with XFCE?
23:50<Supaplex>I give up, what does it do?
23:51<Alcap>suposedly it opens a menu like the star menu
23:51<Alcap>my computer seems to think that it is not ok to do so
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23:51<Supaplex>I'll venture to see what happens. bbiam.
23:52<Alcap>so right clicking opens up a menu just like the ones of metacity
23:52<Alcap>but metacity has been erased
23:52<Alcap>any theories on why this happens?
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23:53<Alcap>metacity doesn't even appears on the update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
23:53<Alcap>suposedly the wm active is xfwm
23:53<Alcap>but one of its characteristics is that it opens the start menu with a right click on the background
23:54<Supaplex>what if u-a sees metacity isn't installed?
23:54<Alcap>I've removed metacity through apt-get
23:55<Alcap>I haven't rebooted yet
23:55<Alcap>I don't think it will do anything
23:55<Alcap>but I can try
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23:56[~]Supaplex chokes down 50m of debs
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