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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-12-22

---Logopened Sat Dec 22 00:00:31 2007
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00:00<dli>joel__, nowadays, usb disks should be auto, I do it by ivman
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00:05<joel__>:| what i posted was a joke, not a command
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00:07<dli>joel__, sorry, msg for blarson :(
00:08<joel__>soaky
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00:38<RIVE>Good night.
00:38<Xenguy>nite
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01:31<oddtod>hey guys whats the current version of debian testing named?
01:32<cahoot>Lenny
01:32<oddtod>thank you sir
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01:50<Woland>re
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01:52<Woland>tell me, can i explain to installer that i have an encrypted volume and it have to use that volume?
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01:53<RIVE>Question, which is de command to try to run programs x386 in a AMD64 machine?... x32 (name of program)
01:54<simonrvn>doesn't work that way
01:54<RIVE>I already installed lib32 and the java x386 jre.
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01:56<RIVE>I trying to use juploadr.
01:57<RIVE>Tought will be just as easy to use like Enemy Territory :-)
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02:21<RIVE>Going to sleep, good night to all, take care.
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02:28<jrolland-iMac>gsimmons: You here?
02:28<jrolland-iMac>How do I find out the last time someone spoke?
02:28<jrolland-iMac>"!spoke gsimmons" doesn't seem to work
02:29<dli_>!seen dli
02:29<dpkg>dli <~dli@adsl-75-22-27-153.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 22m 3s ago, saying: 'joel__, sorry, msg for blarson :('.
02:30<jrolland-iMac>"!seen gsimmons" won't be enlightening, since he's still logged on
02:30<jrolland-iMac>!seen gsimmons
02:30<dpkg>gsimmons is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 17h 41m 59s, last said: 'jred184_: From source? There are ipw3945-related packages available in Debian.'.
02:30<Gekz>is there a way I can see the required -dev packages to build something without building ti?
02:30<jrolland-iMac>Oh, OK. it *is* enlighteneing
02:30<jrolland-iMac>Sorry
02:31<Gekz>on lenny apt-get build-dep libsdl1.2 breaks
02:31<Gekz>version conflict with directfb-dev
02:31<Gekz>I just need the -devs >_>
02:31<jrolland-iMac>Well, when he gets back, tell him iceape is a replacement for KompoZer
02:32<jrolland-iMac>That will be good news
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02:32<jrolland-iMac>OK, I just installed the new kernel from "System Update" so I gotta reboot
02:33<jrolland-iMac>And then I'm going to bed
02:33<jrolland-iMac>See ya
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02:33<dli_>Gekz, try to build the conflicting packages
02:33<Gekz>I dont want to
02:33<Gekz>it's not worth the effort
02:33<Gekz>I just want to see a list of build deps
02:33<dli_>Gekz, dep mess is bad, if you are not running stable
02:34<Gekz>please, stop telling me what I already know.
02:34<Gekz>I just want to know if it is possible to get a build-dep list or not
02:34<dli_>Gekz, sorry, I don't know what you know
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02:48<mitch>hey
02:48<mitch>whats the command to load kde?
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02:49<cahoot>use k|gdm?
02:50<cahoot>or startkde in ~/.xsession/.xinitrc
02:51<Gekz>or type startkde?
02:52<cahoot>does that work outside a running X ?
02:52<Gekz>not sure
02:52<cahoot>neither am I
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02:57<Woland>did anybody install amd64 on acer laptops?
02:58<cahoot>tuxmobil.org is a place to look
02:58<Woland>my acer as5715z powers down during installation
02:58<cahoot>try acpi=off
02:59<Woland>can it be a buggy kernel?
02:59<cahoot>buggy acpi?
02:59<Woland>on i386 all work fine
03:00<dli_>Woland, yes, try: "acpi=off noapic"
03:04<Woland>will i can use suspend to ram with this parameters?
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03:13<dli_>Woland, I guess not
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03:15<Woland>can it be a cpu overheat?
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03:19<dli_>Woland, could be
03:19<dli_>Woland, but I would try acpi hack first
03:20<dli_>Woland, or some buggy driver
03:23<Woland>i have such statistics: on vista and debian i386 all work fine, on kubuntu and debian amd64 - spontaneous power down
03:24<dli_>Woland, it happens randomly? no pattern with usage?
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03:26<Woland>yeap, first power down on debian amd64 was when i leave it on disk erase stage and gone to sleep
03:27<Woland>second - after basic system installation
03:27<Woland>third - during basic system installation
03:28<dli_>Woland, did you try memtest86+
03:28<Woland>no
03:28<dli_>Woland, try that first
03:28<dli_>Woland, sounds like hardware to me now
03:28<dli_>Woland, I thought it was an installation problem
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03:34<Woland>but 32-bit systems worked fine. I had no problems with they. It makes me confused
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03:34[~]Woland set 'acpi=off noapic' and installation still works
03:35<dli_>Woland, then, it's probably buggy acpi
03:35<Woland>dli_: buggy hardware acpi or buggy acpi realisation in kernel?
03:36<dli_>Woland, I guess both side. I remember you need "acpi=off noapic" for kernel since 2.6.21
03:36<dli_>Woland, so, it might be fine if you run debian etch which has 2.6.18
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03:39<screenn>hi all
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03:51<SouthernC>can someone tell me the command to see what network drivers are currently being used
03:51<SouthernC>?
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03:52<Supaplex>SouthernC: lspci -nn | grep -i net paste it at http://rafb.net/paste if it's more than two lines
03:53<SouthernC>why you wanna help me ?
03:53<SouthernC>thought you gave up lol
03:53<Supaplex>I can answer that question
03:54<Supaplex>how could I give up? I just got here
03:54<SouthernC>last night i talked to you
03:54<SouthernC>well yesterday morning rather
03:55<Supaplex>did you try the mailing list?
03:55<SouthernC>for some reason there is an issue with belkin/realtek drivers not working on kernel V2.6.18 or higher they changed something and i dont know how to get a work around
03:56<SouthernC>negative
03:56<Supaplex>I'm looking up a package. 1m
03:56<SouthernC>kk
03:57<SouthernC>lik it says its active and shows the drivers but no connectiviety
03:57<SouthernC>its odd
03:57<Supaplex>SouthernC: any files in /usr/share/doc/*/Documentation/BUG-HUNTING.gz ?
03:57<SouthernC>but i read somewhere about the problem and cant find it again
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03:58<SouthernC>dont see bug hunting
03:58<Supaplex>ok
03:58<Supaplex>install linux-doc-$(uname -r) and read /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-$(uname -r)/Documentation/BUG-HUNTING.gz
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04:03<SouthernC>SupaPlex just a random question have you ever used Runit ?
04:04<Supaplex>no
04:04<SouthernC>ahh
04:05<dli_>SouthernC, try the -mm kernel
04:06<SouthernC>not sure what you mean
04:11<SouthernC>wow this is really neat , and helpfull
04:11<SouthernC>http://kernel.xc.net/
04:12<SouthernC>i think it just blew up though (;0/
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04:14<SouthernC>takes forever though
04:17<dli_>SouthernC, no, go to official: http://git.kernel.org/
04:18<SouthernC>doesnt let you compare though does it ? although this other site doesnt seem to do it either lol
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04:20<SouthernC>n/m i understand it
04:21<dli_>SouthernC, if you can find working and not working versions, do bisecting in git
04:21<dli_>SouthernC, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/jgarzik/netdev-2.6.git;a=summary
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04:30<SouthernC>may sound stupid but anyone know where i get a default linux kernel config
04:30<SouthernC>?
04:33<Nemoder>SouthernC: I believe debian kernels store the config in /boot
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04:34<SouthernC>yea i need one for a kernel i dont have though
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04:35<SouthernC>the ones in boot are the ones of kernels you install
04:36<@Ganneff>delete .config in kernelsource, run make config.
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04:36<@Ganneff>or menuconfig, xconfig, whateverconfig you like.
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04:36<SouthernC>ahh i get ya thanks didnt even think of that
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04:39<Nemoder>the newer kernels have an option to store the config in the kernel accessible from /proc
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04:43<dli_>SouthernC, yes, have a look /proc/config.gz
04:44<SouthernC>when i try to open /proc it just hangs
04:44<SouthernC>n/m
04:44<SouthernC>got it yea thanks
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04:46<SouthernC>only problem is thats for current kernel i need one for new kernel but i think Ganneff's idea will work
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04:47<dli_>SouthernC, get the newest stable kernel from kernel.org
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04:53<trueno>Hi! Is there a way to see international characters in the console? I can see them well in an xterm, but not on the console. Any clues?
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04:55<Gekz_>what's the command to install a blank mbr again :/
04:56<Gekz_>I thought it was install-mbr
04:56<dli_>Gekz_, not sure what you want to do
04:57<Gekz_>... install a blank mbr
04:57<Gekz_>to a device
04:57<Gekz_>>_>
04:57<Gekz_>clear grub from it
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04:57<dli_>Gekz_, you have an empty device, you want to put a partition table to it, and make it bootable?
04:58<Gekz_>if I have my usb hdd plugged in, it picks it up as a boot device, and there's still the remnants of grub in the mbr
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04:58<Gekz_>so if I turn on the pc with it in, I get teh old grub and error 22
04:58<Gekz_>I want grub gone from the mbr so it doesnt do that
04:58<Gekz_>:P
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04:59<Nemoder>well you could wipe it out with dd if you know the exact size and location
04:59<dli_>Gekz_, you want your usb hdd bootable, so you can have a mobile OS, like liveUSB
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04:59<Gekz_>...
04:59<Gekz_>I dont think I could make it more clear
04:59<Gekz_>I want my mbr blanked so it ISNT bootable
05:00<@Ganneff>dd
05:00<Nemoder>isn't the MBR just the first 512 bytes on the disk?
05:00<@Ganneff>dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/disc and if you want to keep the rest of the data then correct bs= and count= arguments
05:01<Gekz_>Ganneff: wasn't there a simple command for this though?
05:01<trueno>Hi, I have a 8859-1 charmap with a spanish keyboard layout. It works well in xterms and X in general, but I get small squares instead of accents in the console. I am using sid, could anyone help?
05:01<Gekz_>I remember using it
05:01<@Ganneff>Gekz_: dd is simple?
05:01<Gekz_>not as simple as typing <command> <device>
05:01<fxiny>this will erase it leaving partition table untouched : dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1
05:01<Gekz_>dd has many chances of screwing up
05:01<Gekz_>fxiny: why 446?
05:02<fxiny>change 446 with 512 to erase it all
05:02<dli_>Gekz_, so you keep your partition table
05:02<fxiny>Gekz_: if you want your partition table untouched use 446
05:02<Nemoder>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
05:03<dli_>I think count=1 is okay for that purpose
05:03<dli_>s/count/bs/
05:03<Gekz_>Nemoder: ah nice
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05:04<Gekz_>fxiny: wouldnt bs=446 clear the first byte of the partition table?
05:04<andrearoots>hi
05:04<andrearoots>!it
05:04<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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05:06<fxiny>Gekz_: the link Nemoder gave to you explain it
05:06<jakeriver>hmm. i'm on my debian which was installed yesterday and i have a ssh connection to my linux-shell... do anyone know why there is a problem with the a with dots and o with dots (you know äand ö and å...) this ssh connection shows queon marks when there should be a with dots and so on. and this is just a problem over the connection, on my machine they are shown right...
05:07<Nemoder>Gekz_: 0 through 445 is 446 bytes
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05:07<Gekz_>Nemoder: ah yes.
05:08<dli_>jakeriver, sounds like locale problem. try LANG=C and LC_ALL=C
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05:08<jakeriver>i could but i don't know how?
05:09<cahoot>jakeriver: en_US.UTF-8 works fine with åäö here
05:09<SouthernC>zzzzzzzzzzZzz that was a stupid long lasting mistake
05:09<SouthernC>forget to install the kernel headers
05:09<SouthernC>lawl
05:10<dli_>jakeriver, I thought you wanted ASCII only
05:10<jakeriver>i don't know what i want... just these question marks gone away :).
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05:11<dli_>jakeriver, try to do with gnome-terminal or konsole
05:13<trueno>Hi, I have a 8859-1 charmap with a spanish keyboard layout. It works well in xterms and X in general, but I get small squares instead of accents in the console. I am using sid, could anyone help?
05:13<jakeriver>btw. what is the difference with all these bash, gnome terminal, sh and so on?
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05:15<jakeriver>they are all now C, but the problem stays.
05:17<cahoot>jakeriver: I think you want UTF-8, probably sv_FI.UTF-8 or such
05:18<cahoot>jakeriver: dpkg-reconfigure locales
05:18<weasel>apt-get install locales-all
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05:57<SouthernC>could someone tell me why i cant get any internet .... the drivers are installed the link is active It works fine on other versions its enabled But cant ping router or even localhost
05:57<SouthernC>but yet it says its connected zzz
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05:58<dli_>SouthernC, anything in dmesg? does ifconfig says "UP"?
05:58<SouthernC>yea i did ifconfig up
05:58<SouthernC>and lots of crap in dmesg
05:58<dli_>SouthernC, no, I mean do you see "UP" in "ifconfig -a"
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05:59<SouthernC>no it doesnt say up anywhere
05:59<SouthernC>shows eth2 and lo
05:59<SouthernC>but doesnt say up
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06:00<SouthernC>its got the correct ip assigned the correct gateway correct mask
06:00<dli_>SouthernC, check your cable, probably you can try another cable, or you can verify it works with another version of kernel
06:00<SouthernC>yes it works with other versions of kernel
06:01<SouthernC>anything 2.6.18 it works fine ive even tried 3 different cards but anything 2.6.18 above i cant connect with anything
06:01<Risjh>hello, grub seems to be messed up, root (hd0,0) doesn't seem to boot windows anymore, when it did previosuly! what can i do?
06:01<SouthernC>t did you a favor why you complaining ?
06:01<dli_>SouthernC, make sure it's a software issue first
06:01<SouthernC>lol
06:02<SouthernC>ive tried 4 different kernels
06:02<SouthernC>and it seems to be theyve done something different with 2.6.18+
06:02<graytron>Risjh: it is probably misconfigure or you changed boot order in bios
06:02<Risjh>graytron: how do i fix if broken? i didnt change anything in the bios.
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06:03<timbobsteve>hi all
06:03<dli_>graytron, try the newest stable kernel from kernel.org
06:03<graytron>dli_: why?
06:03<dli_>graytron, sorry, wrong nick, intended for SouthernC
06:04<dli_>!doesn't work
06:04<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
06:04<SouthernC>it is the newsest stable kernel
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06:04<SouthernC>2.6.23.12
06:05<Risjh>graytron: any ideas?
06:05<timbobsteve>does anyone know if it is possible to use apt-cacher without an internet connection? I have all the packages I want cached, but it still grabs the latest release files every time I try to run it offline.
06:06<graytron>Risjh: grub comes with rather good docs. you might want to confirm that /boot/grub/device.map is set up correctly at least. grub-doc package has the docs
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06:06<dli_>SouthernC, try one more thing:
06:07<SouthernC>..
06:07<Risjh>ok graytron i'll look. Thanks
06:07<graytron>Risjh: did you change anything?
06:07<Risjh>graytron: yes :(
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06:07<dli_>SouthernC, try kernel parameters: irqpoll pci=routeirq
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06:08<graytron>Risjh: what?
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06:08<Risjh>graytron: well, nothing in the bios. I wanted to erase swap and for that i used gparted, but something goofed up, and i couldn't boot into debian anymore. grub gave error 17. I used the rescue cd to reinstall grub
06:08<SouthernC>when i compile kernel ?
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06:09<m_g>hey guys
06:09<Risjh>Risjh: it still didn't boot, so i edited the grub boot menu upon startup ( and found) that hd0,3 would boot my debian fine. SO i changed occurences of hd0,10 ( as it was earlier ) to hd0,3
06:09<Risjh>and debian just boots fine, but now win doesn't :(
06:09<dli_>SouthernC, no, when you boot kernel, add kernel parameters in grub in the kernel line
06:09<m_g>apparently i have "usb mass storage verbose debug" in my kernel and it's now flooding my syslog. can i somehow disable it without recompiling the kernel?
06:09<Risjh>err, * graytron ^
06:09<SouthernC>ahh sorry
06:10<graytron>rishcheck the groot option of menu.lst
06:10<graytron>rij
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06:10<Risjh>root option?/
06:11<Risjh>(hd0) /dev/sda
06:11<Risjh>this is what device.map says
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06:11<graytron>Risjh: did you remove the swap partition entirely?
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06:11<Risjh>graytron: yeah
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06:12<graytron>Risjh: and corrected /etc/fstab accordingly? what was the order of partitions before that?
06:13<SouthernC>dli_: so it should look like kernel /bootvmlinuz-2.6.23.12-custom root=/dev/hdb1 ro irqpoll pci=routeirq ?
06:13<dli_>SouthernC, yes
06:13<SouthernC>kk thanks
06:13<SouthernC>rebooting now
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06:16<Risjh_>graytron: oops, you said something, i was disconnected, sorry
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06:18<graytron>Risjh: and corrected /etc/fstab accordingly? what was the order of partitions before that? im sorry i dont have a clear image of your situation here
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06:20<dli_>Risjh_, get your partition list by: fdisk -l
06:21<Risjh_>graytron: yeah, i did change fstab
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06:21<SouthernC>kk well doesnt seem to have any network connectiovity but it now says Scope: Link UP Broadcast Running multicast
06:21<dli_>SouthernC, try to configure IP
06:21<SouthernC>it is
06:22<graytron>Risjh_: my theory is that you removed swap, rbooted debian and debian erased your win partition before you changed fstab
06:22<SouthernC>i set everything through statically
06:22<dli_>SouthernC, see whether you can do "arping"
06:22<Risjh_>http://rafb.net/p/Cq2vVz71.html is my fdisk -l
06:22<dli_>SouthernC, let's check something basic
06:22<dli_>SouthernC, iptables -L
06:22<SouthernC>hang
06:22<SouthernC>i did
06:22<graytron>Risjh_: i mean, unless you changed fstab before rebooting debian, it is possible that debian used some other partition (win) as swap
06:23<SouthernC>arping google.com
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06:23<dli_>SouthernC, clean up iptables, make sure it says ACCEPT for all
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06:23<dli_>SouthernC, no, arping your gateway
06:23<SouthernC>it says Unknown iface eth0
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06:23<SouthernC>my connection is through eth2
06:23<SouthernC>that anything significant
06:23<SouthernC>?
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06:23<Risjh_>graytron: when i erased swap, and rebooted, grub gave error 17, i used rescue disk and installed grub, then i booted into win fine, but then i couldn't boot into debian, so i edited grub boot lines, until it booted debian, since then win doesn't start
06:24<dli_>SouthernC, arping works within the LAN
06:24<SouthernC>ahh
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06:24<SouthernC>but i tried arping 192.168.0.1 and says same thing
06:24<Risjh_>graytron: could it be fixed now?
06:24<graytron>Risjh_: at which point did you edit fstab?
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06:25<Risjh_>graytron: when using the rescue disk
06:25<graytron>Risjh_: no harm trying at this point, i suppose
06:25<dli_>SouthernC, route
06:25<graytron>Risjh_: use fdisk to check the partition type of your win dikssk
06:25<icks>is there a way to tell hibernate which flags to use when calling s3ram? (esp. -a 3)
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06:26<graytron>Risjh_: partition
06:26<dli_>SouthernC, you have eth0 through eth2? that's puzzling also
06:26<SouthernC>kernel ip routing table it says Destination 192.168.0.0 which doesnt seem right my router is 192.168.0.1
06:26<icks>err s2ram i mean
06:27<SouthernC>gateway it says my router
06:27<SouthernC>hard to show you this stuff without connectivity on that pc :(
06:27<Risjh_>graytron: ok
06:28<[machine]>southernc: that sounds right, whats the netmask for that line?
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06:28<SouthernC>Genmask is 255.255.255.0
06:28<Risjh_>how do i check with fdisk?
06:28<SouthernC>yand on second line its
06:28<SouthernC>0.0.0.0
06:29<[machine]>southern; that's correct
06:29<Risjh_>graytron: any method or do you mean fdisk -l?
06:29<[machine]>0.0.0.0 is your default route
06:29<SouthernC>yes
06:29<[machine]>192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 is your local network route
06:29<SouthernC>ahh
06:30<graytron>Risjh_: you already showed the list i see. which of this is the bootable win partition?
06:30<SouthernC>this is driving me crazy
06:30<Risjh_>graytron: the first one i suppose
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06:30<dli_>Risjh_, pastebin your menu.lst ? on /dev/sda5, I suppose
06:30<Risjh_>ok
06:30<graytron>Risjh_: maybe you installed grub over the windows boot loader
06:31<Risjh_>my menu.lst is a mess, but i'll paste it, one sec
06:31<SouthernC>dont get why 3 different network cards all work fine on kernel 2.6.18 and below but any kernel above that none of the 3 work and there all setup identical
06:31<azeem>SouthernC: did you try the stock debian kernel?
06:31<dli_>SouthernC, what do you mean identical?
06:32<SouthernC>like the static ip configuration etc
06:32<Risjh_>dli_: graytron, menu.lst is http://rafb.net/p/IirC8615.html
06:32<Risjh_>dli_: how come you think, its /dev/sda5?
06:32<SouthernC>yes stock kernel works fine but im trying to update the kernel to the latest stable version
06:32<dli_>SouthernC, enable and test them one by one
06:33<SouthernC>i have
06:33<SouthernC>lol
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06:33<dli_>Risjh_, is the file you pasted on /dev/sda5?
06:33<azeem>SouthernC: why update?
06:33<Risjh_>dli_: on /dev/sda5? i am not getting you
06:34<SouthernC>seemed like the thing to do at the time not its sorda become a pissing match with my pc
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06:34<SouthernC>now*
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06:34<azeem>SouthernC: "seemed like the thing to do"?
06:34<azeem>SouthernC: is this a server?
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06:34<SouthernC>yea
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06:35<azeem>SouthernC: so why would you upgrade the kernel?
06:35<azeem>if it worked
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06:35<SouthernC>well i can still get it to work it just doesnt make sense why it wont work with any custom kernel above 2.6.18
06:36<Risjh>graytron: doesn't grub install over win boot loader?
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06:36<graytron>Risjh: no. it uses chain loading to load win
06:36<SouthernC>the drivers are identical connection is identical says its working so why doesnt it
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06:37<dli_>Risjh, what's error message again?
06:37<azeem>SouthernC: because you miscompiled your custom kernel, most likely
06:38<dli_>Risjh, you couldn't load windows from grub, if i'm correct
06:38<Risjh>dli_: it says unsupported file system when i try to boot into windows
06:38<Risjh>yes
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06:38<dli_>Risjh, okay, use: rootnoverify (hd0,0)
06:38<SouthernC>dont see how thats possible when i used the same config and checked for any changes in kernel versions pertaining And the same config works fine for my other custom kernels
06:38<dli_>Risjh, instread of root (hd0,0)
06:39<dli_>Risjh, and "makeactive" too
06:39<dli_>Risjh, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_boot
06:40<Risjh>hmm, ok will try that, thanks a lot dli_ and graytron
06:40<dli_>SouthernC, carefully compare dmesg also
06:41<graytron>Risjh: dli only :)
06:41<SouthernC>says a ton of dropped input packets
06:41<dli_>SouthernC, you should have mentioned that :(
06:42<dli_>SouthernC, find out why they are dropped
06:42<dli_>SouthernC, there's incoming packets, why are you worried about nic
06:43<SouthernC>cause i cant ping..
06:43<SouthernC>anything
06:43<SouthernC>but i didnt notice the dropped packets
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06:43<dli_>SouthernC, stop your firewall, I think I mentioned that, you dismissed the idea
06:44<dli_>SouthernC, I asked you to arping :( you never followed
06:44<SouthernC>yea i did
06:44<SouthernC>i told you it says unknown device eth0
06:45<dli_>SouthernC, fix that, you said you are using eth2
06:45<SouthernC>i am
06:45<SouthernC>how do i fix that ?
06:45<dli_>SouthernC, doesn't matter, stop firewall first
06:46<SouthernC>this may be stupid but right now if i boot into other kernel it will work changing kernels would make firewall effect connection ?
06:47<SouthernC>im not saying your wrong i just maybe didnt clarify it well enough
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06:48<Tupla1>something weird just happened to me. I was just surfing on myspace and all of the sudden my music freezes(and starts repeating st-st-st-st-st-st-st), my monitor went black and said "no signal". what could that be ?
06:48<dli_>SouthernC, yes, kernel modules changed, broke your ancient firewall settings
06:48<SouthernC>i use arno iptables
06:48<SouthernC>lol ancient :(
06:49<SouthernC>kk disabling
06:49<dli_>SouthernC, use "arping -I eth2" next time
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06:50<SouthernC>hey how bout that it works
06:50<Risjh>hey
06:50<SouthernC>i get a reply from my router
06:50<SouthernC>thjats a step ion the right direction
06:50<dli_>SouthernC, it's nothing to do with kernel nic support, it's your firewall blocks yourself out
06:50<Risjh>dli_, graytron when using the options you suggested, i don't get any errors, but it says, Loading Grub and i get the grub menu again
06:51<Risjh>I think graytron was correct, maybe grub is installed over the win boot loader
06:51<Risjh>that is why i get the grub menu again? is it possible
06:51<Risjh>?
06:51<dli_>Risjh, the same menu, or the grub installed on /dev/sda1?
06:52<Risjh>Risjh: the same menu
06:52<SouthernC>well i wasnt trying to prove you wrong or whatever i just wanted to understand so i know and i appreciate it if anything its been a learning experience
06:52<SouthernC>:)
06:52<SouthernC>kk
06:52<SouthernC>I disabled arno-iptables
06:52<SouthernC>i shouldnt need to disable portsentry right ?
06:52<SouthernC>that only has to do with blocking people who scan you
06:53<dli_>SouthernC, I have no idea about it, you can verify by "iptables -L"
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06:53<cahoot> what's the point in portsentry?
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06:54<SouthernC>block ip adress's from port scanning you
06:54<cahoot>why?
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06:54<fxiny>old stuff
06:54<SouthernC>chain input is ACCEPT chan output is ACCEPT chain forward is drop
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06:54<Risjh>Can i fix this anyhow?
06:55<Risjh>graytron, know of any method?
06:55<SouthernC>IT WORKS
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06:55[~]SouthernC bows down at dli_'s feet
06:55<SouthernC>all that for a damn firewall ZZZZ
06:56<cahoot>why a firewall?
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06:56<dli_>Risjh, sounds like it's the windows partition problem
06:56<Risjh>dli_: hmm, can it be "repaired"?
06:56<SouthernC>thanks dli i really appreciate the help and everyone else that gave suggestions
06:56[~]Risjh hopes it isn't the windows way of wiping out and reinstalling
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06:57<dli_>Risjh, you need the boot sector for your windows partition. I don't know how to do that though
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06:57<Risjh>oh :(
06:58<dli_>Risjh, the easiest, delete windows, everything works
06:59<Risjh>dli_: the windows way :p
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06:59<graytron>Risjh: sorry. no clue there
06:59<Risjh>this is the first time i have seen grub breaking win, it was always the other way round usually. heh
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07:00<kurumin>oi
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07:01<gam3-over>sie sempre così loquaci su IRC?
07:02<fxiny>Risjh: can you mount and eyeball your window partition from debian ?
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07:02<dli_>Risjh, I'm not sure grub breaks windows
07:03<fxiny>it can't be
07:03<SouthernC>hang on
07:03<fxiny>maybe he nuked windows partition while partitioning
07:03<Risjh>fxiny: i can't
07:03<dli_>Risjh, read this howto: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Boot_from_Windows_Bootloader_(NTLDR)_and_why#Boot_sector_.26_MBR_problems
07:03<fxiny>seen
07:03<SouthernC>did he try to boot into repair consol and repair mbr ?
07:03<Risjh>fxiny: i get Unexpected clusters per mft record (-1).
07:04<SouthernC>with a winxp disk
07:04<dli_>Risjh, it explains recovering bootsector for windows
07:04<SouthernC>Cause ive had that problem before
07:04<Risjh>and The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't have a valid NTFS.
07:04<Risjh>dli_: hmm, will look into it
07:04<dli_>Risjh, ntfs broken?
07:04<Risjh>fxiny: i am using ntfs-3g for it
07:04<dli_>Risjh, that's worse than just the boot sector
07:04<SouthernC>hes using winxp ?
07:05<fxiny>that should mount it fine
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07:05<Risjh>dli_: but how can it be? i booted into wiin after deleting swap, and it was working fine
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07:05<dli_>Risjh, can you boot windows now?
07:05<Risjh>dli_: nope
07:06<Risjh>dli_: it worked fine till i wasn't able to boot into debian, but once i did boot into debian somehow, i am not able to boot win
07:06<Risjh>SouthernC: yeah, winxp
07:06<fxiny>checked menu.lst ?
07:07<dli_>Risjh, rule out simple errors: /dev/sda1 root(hd0,0) consistent?
07:07<dli_>Risjh, then, follow the gentoo howto to fix your boot sector (do not try to fix mbr, which is grub)
07:08<Risjh>hmm
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07:11<Risjh>ok thanks again dli_, will try fixing the boot record
07:11<Risjh>*sector
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07:13<Clumsy_Root>greetings
07:14<Clumsy_Root>can anyone give me a hand debugging my debian? it's half-hosed
07:16<Myon>!ask
07:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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07:19<Clumsy_Root>thanks, i guess. my media functionalities are busted: whenever i try playing any file, under any player, i get an X crash. it already did the same yesterday to a lesser extent, meaning that rather than crashing i would get segfaults. problem is, when i tried yesterday it only happened with gnome applications (which after the first segfault would in turn crash), now i'm getting this with kde players as well
07:20<dli_>Clumsy_Root, sid?
07:20<Clumsy_Root>problem is, i can't debug it extensively because i have no idea how to output a shell log, which i need to backtrace the issue
07:20<dli_>Clumsy_Root, what video card?
07:20<Clumsy_Root>nope, lennified etch. someone recommended i upgrade the distro the other day
07:20<Clumsy_Root>nvidia, but things used to work
07:21<Clumsy_Root>i'm only getting this now, and i can't pinpoint the problem
07:21<dli_>Clumsy_Root, try to use the nv driver (if you are lucky enough to get it run)
07:22<dli_>Clumsy_Root, it's probably an video driver issue
07:22<Clumsy_Root>see, that's the point
07:22<Clumsy_Root>the very same driver has always worked
07:22<dli_>Clumsy_Root, if you couldn't get nv, try to play video with mplayer -vo x11
07:23<Clumsy_Root>that doesn't solve the problem tho', i'd rather debug the issue completely rather than work around it
07:23<dli_>Clumsy_Root, if you are working for nvidia
07:23<dli_>Clumsy_Root, or join the nouveau project
07:24<Clumsy_Root>of course not. i just want things to work exactly like they did the other day, because this shouldn't be happening
07:24<Clumsy_Root>the driver always worked perfectly, but i can't figure out what's stopping it from working; that's my main focus right now
07:25<dli_>Clumsy_Root, proprietary driver, who cares debugging it
07:25<Clumsy_Root>i don't want to debug the driver, i want to root out the issue that's causing its crashing
07:26<dli_>Clumsy_Root, tell your players to use x11 not xvideo
07:28<lupine_85>how did the nvidia driver get installed?
07:28<Clumsy_Root>i'll try that as a last resort; meanwhile, can you tell me which steps i should take to obtain a shell output log, so i can see what messages the program outputs?
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07:28<lupine_85>run dmesg; run cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
07:28<Clumsy_Root>that would enable me to at least see what's going on
07:28<Clumsy_Root>thanks, checking it out
07:28<dli_>Clumsy_Root, Xorg :0 -loglevel 7
07:29<lupine_85>see if you get XID errors in dmesg
07:29<Clumsy_Root>alright
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07:30<Clumsy_Root>unrecognized option: -loglevel
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07:31<lupine_85>that's not an option listed in the manpage
07:31<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i noticed
07:32<lupine_85>the logs are comprehensive enough to begin with
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07:32<lupine_85>I would suspect a mismatch between driver (or associated gunk) & X server somewhere
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07:33<Clumsy_Root>hm.
07:33<Clumsy_Root>i could try reinstalling the video driver, see where that gets me
07:34<lupine_85>it'd be a good start. How did you install it in the first place?
07:34<Clumsy_Root>from the official nvidia installer
07:34<lupine_85>fail
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07:35<Clumsy_Root>eh, i couldn't get it to run otherwise
07:35<lupine_85>mind you, the nvidia drivers in lenny were broken last I checked
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07:35<Clumsy_Root>i think i remember that, they used to spout out an ABI error with xorg
07:36<lupine_85>which idiot suggested you upgrade from etch, anyway?
07:36<Clumsy_Root>it seems fixed now tho'... but apparently it ain't.
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07:36<Clumsy_Root>someone from this channel did :P
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07:37<lupine_85>etch ft stable win
07:37<Clumsy_Root>well, almost done backing up my /home folder. i'm gonna try reinstalling the driver first then
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07:38<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i think so too. it's just that people seemed to trust lenny
07:38<Clumsy_Root>this is the last time i'm listening to others' reasoning with distros.
07:39<Pindapoy>hi
07:39<Clumsy_Root>be right back then :)
07:39<Clumsy_Root>thanks, btw
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07:51<Clumsy_Root>i'm back
07:51<Clumsy_Root>it would appear to be working :)
07:51<SouthernC>anyone used runit ?
07:51<Clumsy_Root>now all i have to do is reinstall gnome
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07:57<Clumsy_Root>thanks guys, i've gotten things working again
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07:59<adii>hello :)
07:59<adii>I was wondering whether I was the only one not to be able to download that great VLC player while on lenny
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08:03<Clumsy_Root>let me check that
08:04<Clumsy_Root>nope, works for me
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08:09<adii>really ?
08:09<adii>can you give me your sources.list in pm ?
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08:10<adii>i've been trying to download it for weeks, but it doesn't appear to be listed with "apt-cache search vlc"
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08:10<cahoot>!marillat
08:10<dpkg>rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
08:10<Clumsy_Root>it's on the default deb lenny repository
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08:10<adii>cahoot : here it doesn't appear in marillat's neither
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08:11<cahoot>true
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08:12<adii>i'm gonna check on packages.debian.org
08:12<adii>on the big list itself
08:12<cahoot>videolan-docs show up ;)
08:12<adii>yup the doc ^^
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08:13<adii>Clumsy_Root: are you sure you don't just have the doc as we do ?
08:13<cahoot>so at least one can *read* about it
08:13<adii>cos it doesn't appear on the debian package list
08:13<adii>lol yea great
08:14<Clumsy_Root>adii: nope, i just installed and ran it
08:14<cahoot>sid's got it
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08:14<adii>hm ok
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08:15<cahoot>!why is vlc not in testing?
08:15<dpkg>vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc
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08:16<Clumsy_Root>ah, in which case i got it from etch
08:16<adii>vlc is 6 days old ? ? ? c'mon ^^
08:17<Ikarus>adii: the specific package is :)
08:23<fxiny>we , at Sain Marillat church , are using the mighty mplayer :P
08:23<fxiny>nt*
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08:26<Pindapoy>hola hay alquien?
08:27<Pindapoy>q me pueda ayudar?
08:27<Ikarus>fxiny: mplayer is one of the few things I compile myself
08:27<cahoot>!es
08:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:28<Pindapoy>dpkg i know that thx anyway
08:28<SouthernC>LOL
08:28<Pindapoy>?_?
08:29<SouthernC>thats a bot
08:29<Clumsy_Root>man, don't spoil the fun :P
08:29<SouthernC>haha
08:29<JasonS>and if you know that why speak spanish here? heh
08:29<fxiny>Ikarus: one of the few ? i've never ever compiled it . i always grabbed it from Marillat repos
08:30<Clumsy_Root>i have some kind of curse with compiling.
08:30<Ikarus>fxiny: marillat's lacks a few of the output plugins and has some other odd picks of which decoders to support
08:30<fxiny>Ikarus: but i respect him , i read many stupid things on the net against him , they are not fair at all
08:31<Ikarus>fxiny: his deb's used to be really bad and illegal
08:31<fxiny>i do not care about law ; i follow rules
08:31<JasonS>fxiny: heh
08:31<Pindapoy>becouse too much ppl stay here.
08:32<fxiny>on this crap planet any tribe makes law , rules are far better
08:32<Pindapoy>ppl speak spanish
08:32[~]SouthernC is lost
08:32<Clumsy_Root>i don't speak spanish, for instance
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08:33<fxiny>JasonS: we arer still pretty as we were so ;)
08:33<Clumsy_Root>or lack thereof.
08:36<SouthernC>ok i will be falling asleep now gnite all
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08:39<hever>Hello how could I set up a comment including whitespaces through "useradd --comment" ?
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08:42<fxiny>Ikarus: nothing personal but how can we blame him for something called illegal ? or for something maybe overlooked ? watching movies is a user right imo . he walked his path , sharing ...
08:42<fxiny>some as*hole are even plain insulting him
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08:43<Ikarus>fxiny: no, he made the very clear choice to distribute mplayer while distributing binaries was still illegal (due to licensing issues in the mplayer source
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08:44<fxiny>i know that
08:44<thomas>hi all
08:45<fxiny>he walked his path
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08:46<Clumsy_Root>personally, i don't really find any objections to that. there are people doing much worse things than slipping in a few gray-area packages, with the difference that in his case it was for a good cause
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08:53<adii>Pindapoy puedes pedir tu pregunta pero no estoy seguro que vas a obtener unas respuestas
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08:54<weasel>adii: ?
08:54<ounsa>Hello
08:55<adii>(translation : you can ask but i'm not sure you're gonna get any answer)
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08:57<Pippo>hello
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08:57<Pippo>the best is debian
08:58<Pippo>help me for debian problem
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09:23<resadent>hello
09:23<noflash>!ask
09:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:24<Christmas>hi
09:24<ounsa>hi
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10:09<pepplan^Debian>hallå
10:09<pepplan^Debian>jag skulle behöva lite hjälp om ngn har tid ?
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10:10<pepplan^Debian>ingen ?
10:11<Trinchen>Hi
10:11<pepplan^Debian>hi
10:11<pepplan^Debian>i have a small prob here
10:11<Trinchen>Me too. :)
10:11<pumpkin0>!ask
10:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:12<Trinchen>ok :)
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10:12<pepplan^Debian>i running Debian 40-r1 ppc, i would like to set an ventrilo (2.1.2) server but when i try to start the program it says: can not execute binary file..
10:13<pepplan^Debian>is there any out there ho can helt me ? :)
10:13<pepplan^Debian>help*
10:13<Trinchen>chmod +x 'name-of-binary-file'
10:13<pepplan^Debian>ventrilo_src
10:14<pepplan^Debian>ventrilo_srv
10:14<pepplan^Debian>i tried to install this way: ./ventrilo.srv
10:14<pepplan^Debian>is that rong ?
10:14<Trinchen>No. You need to type 'sh ./ventrilo.srv'
10:15<pepplan^Debian>all files are unpacked an the ventrilo_server.ini is configured right
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10:15<pepplan^Debian>martin@Debian:~/Desktop/ventrilo$ sh ./ventrilo_srv
10:15<pepplan^Debian>./ventrilo_srv: ./ventrilo_srv: cannot execute binary file
10:16<pepplan^Debian>w00t ??
10:16<pepplan^Debian>i dint get it :)
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10:16<pepplan^Debian>dont*
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10:17<icks>are you sure you have a linux-ppc binary there?
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10:18<pepplan^Debian>you meen if i have the rong ventrilo version ?
10:18<pepplan^Debian>package ?
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10:19<icks>might be the case. what does file ventrilo_srv say?
10:20<pepplan^Debian>how do i see what it says ?
10:21<pepplan^Debian>u see im not that good at linux yet, i have using slackware and ubuntu before this dist....
10:21<icks>open a terminal window, type "file /path/to/ventrilo_srv" (without quotes) and hit return
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10:23<pepplan^Debian>Desktop/ventrilo/ventrilo_srv: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
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10:23<icks>looks more like x86 to me
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10:26<matthewpoer>I have seen Kword integrated into Konqueror, and AbiWord integrated into both Konqueror and Epiphany. Is there anyway to integrate OpenOffice, kword, or abiword into Mozilla Firefox?
10:26<matthewpoer>(preferably OpenOffice)
10:26<pepplan^Debian>than thasts the problem, how do i get a version of 2.1.2 a pcc then, i search a little bit but there all in new versions
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10:29<icks>guess you should ask the ventrilo people about that
10:29<puputus>good evening
10:30<pepplan^Debian>hehe i guess that too :) well, tnx for dthe help !!
10:30<icks>ur welcome
10:30<puputus>does someone know what to say to the installer, when it crashes because it doesn´t find my usb-floppy
10:31<puputus>its a fujitsu siemens B series, old as time it self, touchscreen laptop, which doesn´t have a floppy or cd-drive attached to it
10:32<matthewpoer>puputus, I don't have an installer running, but isn't there an option for that sort of thing in the F2,F3 menu?
10:33<puputus>i tried to find one, but I believe there is none
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10:34<puputus>googling didnt give a reward, because no one seems to use this kinds of machines anymore
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10:35<Hal_Emmerich>Hey guys
10:35<puputus>there was a hint to download boot floppies from this one site, which doesn´t exist any more
10:36<Hal_Emmerich>Anyone here particularly familiar with Apache?
10:36<matthewpoer>Puputus, does the machine BIOS allow it to boot from the USB Floppy drive?
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10:37<puputus>yes, but problems begin, when the installing starts
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10:37<Hal_Emmerich>wb Matt
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10:38<Hal_Emmerich>wb again
10:38<Hal_Emmerich>heh
10:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 324] by debhelper
10:39<puputus>goes like this: floppy0: no floppy controllers found/ cannot load floppy module / init: 44 sleep: not found / Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
10:39<matthewpoer>Puputus, I crashed. Does your machine's BIOS allow you to boot from the device?
10:39<puputus>yes it does
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10:40<puputus>but when the installing begins, it throws a error message like i wrote up there
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10:41<Trinchen>My Prob: I can't compile a 2.6.13 kernel with any make gconfig/xconfig/menuconfig under sid 4.0. Make complains about missing packages, although the are all installed. What's wrong?
10:41<matthewpoer>You were using a floppy boot disk?
10:41<puputus>matthewpoer: yes
10:41<weasel>if they are all installed make won't complain.
10:41<weasel>very simple.
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10:42<the-me>Trinchen, for menuconfig, you've to install libncurses5-dev for example
10:42<matthewpoer>Have you ever used that device on a linux machine? Perhaps there are just no drivers for it?
10:42<puputus>no i have not...
10:42<Hal_Emmerich>Basically, my situation is this (for anyone that can help). I want to run two websites on one machine, Site A routes to one directory and one site, Site B routes to another directory and another site. The sites need to be explicit, IE there is NO way for site 1 to access site 2
10:43<matthewpoer>Uh oh. Google the model number with the word 'linux' at the end and see if anything comes up :(
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10:43<weasel>you don't route to directories.
10:43<weasel>get your nomenclature right and we might be able to help you.
10:43<weasel>right now it seems like your standard vhosting thing
10:43<Trinchen>the-me: Can you read german?
10:44<Hal_Emmerich>Sorry. I've had debian for a whole um.. *checks* ... 7.. maybe 9 hours, heh
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10:44<the-me>Trinchen, dont message me please..
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10:44<Hal_Emmerich>I know some linux commands, and I got apache itself running and configured
10:44<Trinchen>the-me: why???
10:44<Hal_Emmerich>But its giving me grief when I try to set up the Vhost
10:45<weasel>then go read a few tutorials
10:45<weasel>or start asking sane questions
10:45<weasel>this isn't the place to find some person to hold your hand
10:45<pepplan^Debian>someone hwo knows wy my xwine says its not installed ? i installed it true synaptic, im runnning debian 40-r1 on my ppc
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10:45<EOF>[16:45:09] root@magic:~ : chroot /lenny64
10:45<EOF>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
10:45<EOF>any ideas?
10:45<puputus>matthewpoer: there is a driver for it
10:46<weasel>EOF: uname -a
10:46<EOF>Linux magic 2.6.22 #1 Tue Nov 13 17:01:17 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
10:46<puputus>but me thinks that the problem is, that the install doesn´t understand that the floppy is at the usb and not some where else
10:46<weasel>EOF: you are running a 32 bit kernel.
10:46<EOF>means i cant chroot to 64bit from 32bit?
10:46<weasel>EOF: you can't run 64 bit stuff on it.
10:46<EOF>oh bummer
10:46<weasel>boot a 64 bit kernel
10:47<Hal_Emmerich>That was actually a pretty sane question. Unless your first words were bash commands, we all had to start somewhere
10:47<EOF>tried a debootstrap cause the snapshop of Lenny is missing the busybox package
10:47<Hal_Emmerich>It might be a simple question, but its sane
10:47<matthewpoer>Included in the 2.6 kernel? man...
10:47<pepplan^Debian>hehe i guess that too :) well, tnx for dthe help !! /msg me
10:47<matthewpoer>Well tell me this, is there an OS on it currently?
10:47<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: it wasn't.
10:47<pepplan^Debian>someone hwo knows wy my xwine says its not installed ? i installed it true synaptic, im runnning debian 40-r1 on my ppc /msg me
10:47<Hal_Emmerich>Ok. Then let me try to rephrase.
10:47<weasel>pepplan^Debian: you should repeat it 4 or 5 more times.
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10:48<puputus>the drive is fpcfdd12 NEC usb floppy
10:48<pepplan^Debian>SORRY
10:48<weasel>yes, shouting also helps
10:48<puputus>matthewpoer: nope...
10:48<pepplan^Debian>ops caps
10:48<pepplan^Debian>:)
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10:48<EOF>lets hope the broken snapshop CD has a rescue mode
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10:48<Maulkin>pepplan^Debian: also, read the topic. We're not going to send you a message
10:49<matthewpoer>Dang buddy. Because Debian can be installed from Windows or DOS using some neat tools.
10:49<Hal_Emmerich>I am running apache, the daemon is loaded, localhost returns the placeholder index.html page in /var/www/. I have two registered domains both pointing to the machines IP address, which work under the default configuration
10:49<matthewpoer>Exactly how far into the installation does it go before the kernel panics?
10:49<puputus>yeah, i know
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10:50<puputus>not far
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10:50<pepplan^Debian>well wy not ? dont wanna disturbe in teir conversacion
10:50<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: "which work under the default configuration" doesn't mean anything
10:50<puputus>umm...
10:51<Hal_Emmerich>Default out of the box, downloaded apache, set the port, and launched the daemon
10:51<Hal_Emmerich>No other tinkering of the httpd.conf
10:51<pepplan^Debian>whats your problem anyways ? only because i am noob u dont have to be so fucking rood
10:51<weasel>pepplan^Debian: watch your language
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10:52<matthewpoer>Okay, two ideas: 1: try booting into a Slackware/ubuntu/fedora installation and see ifyou get the kernel panic. Just in case Deb Installer is doing somethin godd. 2: take the hard disk out, mount it on another machine, install base system, tranfer hard disk. This only works, though, if you have an adaptor/shell for the hard disk (which, if older, may be an odd size/shape) or another laptop where it fits.
10:52<puputus>it sets the mouse, frees memory, installs clocksource, sets the keyboard and dies, when it doesnt find a floppy
10:52<pepplan^Debian>oh im sorry.....
10:52<Hal_Emmerich>So, the situation is this. I've set up LISTEN 8080, and 8081, BindAddress *, NameVirtualHost 127.0.0.1:8080 and NameVirtualHost 127.0.0.1:8081
10:53<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: why use different ports?
10:53<matthewpoer>But if it can't find a floppy, how is it running from the floppy? That makes very little sense to me.
10:53<weasel>why not simply use *:80
10:53<Hal_Emmerich>because otherwise, both domains go to the same place, don't they?
10:53<puputus>so there is no way of telling the installator, that i have a usb floppy, by default?
10:53<weasel>no.
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10:53<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: that's kinda what _virtual_ hosting means.
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10:54<puputus>matthewpoer: indeed, thats why i´m here =)
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10:54<matthewpoer>puputus, when you first boot the disk, pressing F2 and F3 show those sort of options
10:54<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: Listen *:80; NameVirtualHost *:80; <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName domain1;.... <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName domain 2...
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10:54<puputus>matthewpoer: does it shoe them all?
10:54<matthewpoer>AFAIK all available options are listed
10:54<puputus>show
10:54<puputus>ok
10:54<Hal_Emmerich>Well I assumed there needed to be some form of signature that made it unique, so since the IP was set, I figured the port would work. But if its smart enough to decide what goes where by domain name, that makes things far easier
10:55<puputus>humm...
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10:56<pepplan^Debian>weasel, dont get upset now.. is there any one hwo know anyting of my earlier wuestion ? plz
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10:56<weasel>pepplan^Debian: no. you didn't ask a useful question.
10:56<puputus>this is quite weird
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10:58<Neo_mat>hello
10:58<pepplan^Debian>useful ? well tell me this then, how im i supposed to set up my ventrilo server on my mac mini g4 running debian 40-r1 witht no package for my dist. ? its quite hard for a noob like me.... and then i tried to get wine/xwine and run to test and se how its doing but it will not work.. sorry for he truble i have being doing in her weasel
10:58<Neo_mat>i have a question about sun-java5-jdk
10:59<Neo_mat>i cant install update 14 from binary
10:59<Hal_Emmerich>hmmm..
10:59<Neo_mat>mm i can install but programm see old version 10 update
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11:00<weasel>pepplan^Debian: how would wine even work on a g4?
11:00<Hal_Emmerich>Didn't work. Site-A still gives me the generic placeholder in /var/www, rather than the placeholder I set in /var/www/site-a
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11:00<matthewpoer>puputus, I really wish I knew what was up with that. Unfortunatley I have no idea.
11:00<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: then you configured it wrong.
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11:00<puputus>matthewpoer: thanks anyway, merry xmas!
11:00<matthewpoer>If I were you, I would head to Freenode.org/#ubuntu. There are sometimes more users there
11:01<matthewpoer>same to you.
11:01<puputus>thanks for the tips
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11:01<pepplan^Debian>i dont know, maby thats what im asking, if it even is working. there is noo way im gonna get my ventrilo server running is there :)
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11:01<SpeedyG>hi, i've got this disk thats almost dying, and I want to create an exact copy of one of the partitions (the one containing windows and the mbr containing grub). Can this be done easily and if so, how can I do this? :)
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11:02<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: make sure the string you use in namevirtualhost matches the thing in the virtualhost declarations
11:03<Hal_Emmerich>NameVirtualHost *:8080
11:03<Hal_Emmerich><VirtualHost *:8080>
11:04<Hal_Emmerich> Servername Site-a... (the real url here)
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11:04<Hal_Emmerich> DocumentRoot /var/www/site-a/
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11:04<Hal_Emmerich></virtualhost>
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11:05<Hal_Emmerich>Does it matter that I'm using a domain redirect, namely no-ip-com?
11:05<weasel>Hal_Emmerich: the thing you enter in your browser needs to be the thing in ServerName
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11:07<Hal_Emmerich>hmm.. thats tricky then. The way this works is you type in Http://whatever, and it brings up that page, THEN it brings up http:(yourip):yourport
11:07<Hal_Emmerich>its a port 80 redirect
11:07<weasel>don't do that then
11:07<weasel>why not have the domain point to your IP address
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11:08<Hal_Emmerich>Because its behind a router
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11:08<Hal_Emmerich>Port 80 goes to the router config
11:08<weasel>from outside?
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11:10<Hal_Emmerich>Thats what my friend said. I had him try to connect and he got the router config page
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11:11<Hal_Emmerich>ok, there
11:11<Hal_Emmerich>I've redirected port 80 to hit this machine
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11:12<Hal_Emmerich>But its still only giving me the default placeholder
11:12<Hal_Emmerich>should servername include http... or just the domain name
11:12<Hal_Emmerich>ie: Http://whatever vs whatever
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11:22<Maulkin>Hal_Emmerich: just the domain name
11:22<Maulkin>ie: http://www.example.com: ServerName www.example.com
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11:23<Hal_Emmerich>Great, I just solved the problem!
11:23<Hal_Emmerich>Thanks a lot guys, you rock!
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11:41<YourLordAndMaster>Anyone here able to help me with problems compiling lirc in Lenny and Sid?
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11:44<YourLordAndMaster>Is there anyone here?
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11:44<Supaplex>isn't there a m-a source for that?
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11:45<YourLordAndMaster>A m-a source? Not familiar with the term....
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11:45<Supaplex>!tell YourLordAndMaster -about m-a
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11:49<YourLordAndMaster>Guys, I've complied lirc on etch no problem, but I get errors with even clean lenny installs. Does anyone know if this is a known issue or if there is any fix?
11:50<Supaplex>!tell YourLordAndMaster -about bts
11:50<Supaplex>YourLordAndMaster: if it's in m-a, a bugfix might already be there
11:51<Supaplex>lirc-modules Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (kernel modules)
11:51<Supaplex>there it is
11:51<Supaplex>try building it with m-a. bbiab (food calls)
11:51<kop>When I've got multiple versions of the same linux kernel installed, say 2.6.18-5-4 and 2.6.18-5-5, how do I tell which is running?
11:52<Supaplex>kop: uname -r
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11:53<kop>Supaplex : That does not give me the "sub-version" number. Just the -5, not the-5-5 or -5-4. (Maybe I need to read up on debian kernel version numbering?)
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11:55<fxiny>grep "Linux version" /var/log/messages
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11:58<kop>fxiny : That works. Thanks. I think better would be /var/log/dmesg.
11:59<fxiny>kop: or checking logcheck mail ;)
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12:00<YourLordAndMaster>Ok. Can anyone else clarify what m-a is? I've been using Debian for almost a decade, but not on the IRC channels, so not really up on the jargon.....BTW: I'm attempting to build with the debian package (guess I left that out) and am using make-kpkg. As I said, this worked with etch but doesn't with lenny...
12:00<fxiny>module assistant
12:01<YourLordAndMaster>Thanks fxiny, would that provide different results than make-kpkg modules_image?
12:01<Supaplex>the bot should have msg'd you a few things :)
12:02<fxiny>YourLordAndMaster: whatever is in the debian menu is sweet, and m-a is the cake ;)
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12:04[~]fxiny is busy quakingII-hard , low ammo ...
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12:07<kop>I thought I'd find info on the kernel revsion number packaging scheme in "man make-kpkg" or the debian policy manual. But my brain seems soft today. What's the difference between 2.6.18-5-4 and 2.6.18-5-5. It seems that -5-5 is another security release, but what's the purpose of the last number?
12:07<Supaplex>YourLordAndMaster: I think they should be the same. I last recall a make-kpkg modules or related target building all the m-a sources that were installed. the make-kpkg and m-a man pages seems to cover part of that
12:09<Supaplex>kop: I have 2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 here. Why does yours have -5-5 vs just -5? -5 would be the security update
12:09<fxiny>you on 64 ?
12:09<Supaplex>yup
12:09<fxiny>dammit
12:09<fxiny>i'm still on a PII > 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 ;)
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12:10<Supaplex>mcafee decided to pay for my box this year :) Hopefully they'll do it again hehheh
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12:10<fxiny>heheheh
12:10<kop>Supaplex : I've got stuff like (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2) but the kernel package name ends in -5-5.
12:11<Supaplex>ahhh
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12:11<iisjmii>Hello, does anybody know how I can put this in a bash script: "echo #define SOMETHING something" .. it sees # as the start of a comment...\# does not work.
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12:12<kop>iisjmii : echo "#define foo bar"
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12:12<iisjmii>thank you!
12:12<fxiny>kop: DSA 1436-1 wants you to run this one : linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6_i386.deb
12:12<Supaplex>kop: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) gives me linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64, and aptitude show linux-image-2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64 | grep ^Version gives me Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4
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12:14<kop>Supaplex : It has to do with how I get updates on some boxes. I mark, say 2.6.18-5-4 not-auto with aptitude, then automatically update/upgrade every night from the security repositories. Then I get the new kernels installed but the old one does not go away until I tell it. So then I can reboot the box at my leasure and remove the old kernel. But I'm wondering what the kernel package numbering really means.
12:14<YourLordAndMaster>Supaplex: Thanks for the help. Still not sure what the issue is, but I guess no one else here is aware of the issue.
12:14<kop>Supaplex : (And then I forget whether I rebooted, which is where I started today.)
12:14<fxiny>you should reboot
12:15<Supaplex>YourLordAndMaster: please use reportbug on any FTBFS :)
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12:15<kop>fxiny : yah.
12:16<fxiny>kop: i have a normal kernel and a Supa-server one
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12:16<fxiny>need to install it on my fat stupid box too
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12:17<fxiny>vi are unter attack !
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12:17<Supaplex>woops, /ignore #debian == too agressive. :P
12:18<fxiny>heheheh
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12:18<N1ghtCrawler>Is there any command in linux eqvailent to the windows "ipconfig /renew"?
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12:19<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: try to guess : /etc/init.d/networking restart ? no idea about vistoze
12:20<fxiny>dunno what you are after so less /etc/init.d/networking first
12:20<N1ghtCrawler>I want to renew my dhcp lease
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12:23<ServerSide>do someone know how can I improve my connection?
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12:25<fxiny>N1ghtCrawler: see if this helps : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/343
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12:26<fxiny>ServerSide: what's wrong with your connection ?
12:26<ServerSide>mh, i'm on LAN (wifi)
12:27<ServerSide>so i've smtg like 1.5 MB
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12:27<N1ghtCrawler>fxiny: no, all i want to do is to send a dhcp request to my dhcp server.
12:27<ServerSide>& that suck
12:27<m0RrE>hello, i've got a problem while compiling a kernel for my friend, can't find the networkcard in the kernel :o
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12:27<m0RrE>but i know it's supported because it works with the default kernel
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12:28<m0RrE>lspci gives me this: 00:08.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2)
12:29<m0RrE>any ideas?
12:29<jobbe>hello.. anyone know where i can find a driver for my wlan card level one wnc-0301 chipset ralink RT2500
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12:31<m0RrE>jobbe: it's supported by the kernel
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12:33<m0RrE>jobbe: or you can build the rt2500 module with module-assistant
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12:34<jobbe>m0Rre > okay.. but when i do ifconfig i cant see it
12:34<jobbe>im working in console mode
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12:35<chealer>jobbe: yes, you can find it in Debian repositories. use # module-assistant auto-install rt2500
12:36<m0RrE>does anyon know about this nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet ? :P
12:36<chealer>m0RrE: isn't it forcedeth?
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12:37<m0RrE>what's that?
12:37<Jonny>Some body speak Russian
12:37<Jonny>Some body speak Russian????
12:38<m0RrE>chealer: ah, but i can't find it in the kernel?
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12:39<streuner>!ru
12:39<dpkg>somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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12:41<Jonny>Thenks a lot
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12:44<jobbe>hmm i have some problems
12:45<jobbe>morre i have followed this howto: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_rt2500_Howto
12:45<jobbe>but i cant get it working
12:45<jobbe>when i do: iwconfig
12:46<jobbe>jobbe i get: eth0 no wireless extensions. and sit0 no wireless extensions.
12:46<m0RrE>jobbe: do as chealer said.
12:47<jobbe>morre i did
12:48<jobbe>and im doing it again now
12:48<m0RrE>did you install the module aswell?
12:48<jobbe>yes
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12:49<cahoot>modprobe it and check dmesg
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12:50<jobbe>cahoot ? im new to linux
12:50<jobbe>or new to console commands
12:50<dkmx>train them
12:50<dkmx>:d
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12:50<cahoot>jobbe: do you know the name of the module?
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12:51<cahoot>rt2500 perhaps?
12:51<jobbe>cahoot i think so
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12:52<jobbe>cahoot rt2500-source
12:52<cahoot>then (as root) modprobe rt2500, then run dmesg look for msgs concerning the module
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12:53<jobbe>rt2500 1.1.0 CVS 2005/07/10 http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com
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12:53<lupine_85>that's pretty olde
12:53<jobbe>ok
12:53<lupine_85>are you sure your card is an ralink 2500 chipset, btw?
12:54<lupine_85>what card is it?
12:54<jobbe>level one wnc-0301
12:54<jobbe>pci
12:54<dkmx>somebody > i'm installing debian ( net install ), after he downloaded the software, he is preparing libc6, but now he is still preparing, so i think he frose, any ideas?
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12:55<lupine_85>yep, that looks like an rt2500 card
12:55<lupine_85>I would try a newer codebase
12:55<jobbe>okay ?
12:55<lupine_85>for instance, the rt2x00-source package
12:57<jobbe>installing
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12:57<lupine_85>you'll want to remove (and uninstall) the rt2500 drivers as well
12:57<jobbe>how?
12:58<lupine_85>what kernel version are you running?
12:58<lupine_85>(uname -r will tell you)
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12:59<jobbe>2.6.18-5-686
12:59<chealer>m0RrE: how did you search?
12:59<lupine_85>ah; forget rt2x00 then. it won't compile against that
12:59<jobbe>okay
12:59<jobbe>but i have already installed it
13:00<jobbe>and compiled
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13:00<lupine_85>did it compile?
13:00<chealer>dkmx: which version of Debian?
13:01<jobbe>lupine_85 maybye.. but i dont know
13:01<lupine_85>you should have some output that tells you
13:01<dkmx>chealer: i use the first net install where sata was supported
13:02<lupine_85>are you using module-assistant?
13:02<chealer>dkmx: sarge?
13:02<jobbe>lupine_85 yes
13:02<lupine_85>well, if successfully compiled, it puts it into a .deb file in /usr/src
13:02<jobbe>ok
13:03<dkmx>chealer: i don't know, but this is the title: debian-testing-1386-netinst
13:03<lupine_85>named rt2x00-(etc)-(kernel-version).deb
13:03<jobbe>lupine give me 2-3 min then i check.. im rebooting the computer
13:03<jobbe>ok
13:03<chealer>dkmx: that's testing then. is there a reason why you don't use stable?
13:04<dkmx>chealer: downloaded a long time ago, will it work with the new one?
13:04<chealer>dkmx: you mean a current testing?
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13:05<dkmx>chealer: nono, the new install disc: debian-40r1
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13:05<chealer>dkmx: it's hard to say without knowing the problem you're experiencing. it's worth trying IMO.
13:06<jobbe> i got this rt2x00-modules-2.6.18-5-686_0cvs20060928-1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6_i386.deb
13:06<jobbe>and rt2500-modules-2.6.18-5-686_1.1.0+cvs20060620-3+2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6_i386.deb
13:06<lupine_85>yep... so it compiled, which means it should work
13:06<jobbe>ok
13:06<jobbe>the wlan card is not activated.. no flashing light behind the computer
13:06<lupine_85>"apt-get remove rt2500-modules-2.6.18-5-686" will get rid of the rt2500 driver
13:07<dkmx>chealer: i'm in the install, just downloaded all the software and now he is preparing it, but he freezes @ preparing libc6
13:07<jobbe>ok
13:07<lupine_85>(followed by modprobe -r rt2500)
13:07<jobbe>ok
13:07<jobbe>ty
13:07<chealer>dkmx: yeah, but I see the symptom but I don't know the real problem behind that. I mean a bug report or something precise.
13:07<jobbe>FATAL: Module rt2500 not found.
13:08<lupine_85>eh, that's fine then
13:08<jobbe>ok
13:08<jobbe>lupine_85 how can i activate the wlan card?
13:08<lupine_85>the rt2x00-modules package contains a .ko file that you need to modprobe
13:08<jobbe>ok
13:08<jobbe>how?
13:09<lupine_85>I forget it's name... run dpkg -L rt2x00-modules
13:10<jobbe>the pack rt2x00-modules is not installed
13:10<lupine_85>whoops, rt2x00-modules-2.6.18-5-686
13:10<jobbe>hehe
13:11<jobbe>worked
13:11<lupine_85>you're looking for the name of a .ko file that would relate to your card - rt2500pci.ko, perhaps ?
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13:12<jobbe>got it /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt2500pci.ko
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13:12<lupine_85>yep, so modprobe rt2500pci
13:12<jobbe>done
13:13<lupine_85>does iwconfig show your card?
13:13<jobbe>eth1 RT2500 Wireless ESSID:""
13:13<lupine_85>\o/
13:13<lupine_85>now you just use iwconfig and iwlist to configure it as normal
13:13<jobbe>ok
13:13<lupine_85>or you can use NetworkManager
13:13<jobbe>ok
13:14<jobbe>but is NetworkManager a gui tool?
13:14<lupine_85>afraid so
13:14<jobbe>:/ then i cant use it
13:14<jobbe>im working in console mode
13:14<lupine_85>that's fine - I dislike it anyway :D
13:14<jobbe>ok
13:15<lupine_85>iwlist, iwconfig and ifconfig/iproute2 is the way to go
13:15<lupine_85>once you have a working setup, just set it up in /etc/network/interfaces
13:15<jobbe>ok
13:15<jobbe>well i have a wireless network in my home with no pass only SSID: default
13:15<jobbe>so it should be easy
13:16<lupine_85>"iwconfig eth1 essid default"
13:16<jobbe>thanks
13:17<jobbe>eth1 RT2500 Wireless ESSID:"default"
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13:17<lupine_85>well, there we go
13:18<jobbe>how can i get the ip? becaus i need it.. im working on windows and using SSH to manage debian server
13:18<lupine_85>"dhclient eth1" if you have DHCP
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13:18<jobbe>ok
13:18<lupine_85>or ifconfig eth1 (the usual stuff here) if you're not using DHCP
13:19<jobbe>ok
13:19<jobbe>well i use DHCP
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13:19<jobbe>DHCPOFFER from 192.168.123.254
13:19<jobbe>this right?
13:19<lupine_85>\o/
13:19<lupine_85>yep, that's good
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13:19<lupine_85>you should have t'internet now
13:19<jobbe>doh the 192.168.123.254 is my router
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13:19<jobbe>ah.. bound to 192.168.123.102 -- renewal in 2802688 seconds.
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13:20<Supaplex>ok, now hold your breath ;)
13:20<cahoot>and.. take care.. there some uglyness on the net
13:21<jobbe>yey.. flashing lights on the wlan card in my computer ^^;
13:21<jobbe>^^,
13:21<lupine_85>excellent stuff. you owe me a hobnob :)
13:21<jobbe>hehe
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13:21<jobbe>how about wep encryption?
13:22<jobbe>im moving my server to a friend and he has WEP
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13:22<lupine_85>you have iwconfig eth1 key "your key here"
13:22<lupine_85>but WEP is essentially worthless
13:22<jobbe>ok
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13:23<lupine_85>in fact, running a server over wireless is a bad idea full-stop
13:23<jobbe>it's the only way.. and only file server..
13:23<jobbe>iwconfig eth1 <key> |your key here| is key the SSID? and |your key here| the pssword?
13:24<lupine_85>no, key is the WEP key
13:24<jobbe>ok
13:24<lupine_85>which you might be calling the password
13:24<lupine_85>there are hex and ascii modes
13:24<jobbe>ok
13:24<jobbe>hmm.. i cant get a connection through wlan ip
13:25<lupine_85>ASCII keys are entered using s:<key here>
13:25<jobbe>ok
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13:28<Hal_Emmerich>Heyo
13:28<Hal_Emmerich>Is anyone able to help me with an apache problem?
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13:31<jobbe>lupine_85 i got problems
13:31<m_g>strange.. i have an external hard drive mounted rw (type ext3 (rw)).. when i write to it or change permissions it works for some time and then i get loads of "not possible: file system is read-only".. how come?
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13:31<jobbe>lupine_85 debian:~# iwconfig eth1 essid default
13:31<jobbe>Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
13:31<jobbe>SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported.
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13:33<Robinayor_>jobbe: is the device up?
13:34<jobbe>i dont know.. i rebooted computer
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13:36<Hal_Emmerich>Basically, I'm trying to set up vhost, but I can't for the life of me get it to work properly
13:38<jobbe>grr.. that damn wlan card wont start
13:39<jobbe>was it modprobe rt2500pci to start it?
13:40<lupine_85>yeah
13:40<jobbe>it wont start..
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13:40<lupine_85>any indication why?
13:40<lupine_85>does lsmod show any modules with rt2500 in the name?
13:40<jobbe>nope
13:41<jobbe>I or L
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13:41<lupine_85>L
13:41<jobbe>ok
13:41<jobbe>rt2500pci 28516 0
13:42<lupine_85>yep, it's loaded
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13:42<jobbe>ok
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13:42<lupine_85>any errors in dmesg ?
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13:44<jobbe>not even listed
13:45<jobbe>now i did iwconfig and got
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13:45<jobbe>eth1 IEEE 802.11g Frequency:2.412 GHz
13:45<jobbe>and
13:45<jobbe>wlan0_rename IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"default"
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13:54<jobbe>hello?
13:54<jobbe>anyone? help
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13:58<cahoot>jobbe: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_network.rules (or such)
14:00<lupine_85>jobbe: a bit weird. but it looks like wlan0_rename is your interface
14:00<jobbe>ok
14:00<lupine_85>I, um, think it wants to be renamed
14:00<lupine_85>no idea how you do that, though
14:00<jobbe>well.. hmm.. how do i rename it?
14:01<cahoot>remove /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_network.rules
14:01<jobbe>ok
14:02<jobbe>removed
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14:04<jobbe>shall i reboot computer?
14:04<blal>I noticed that in my xfce X session, only one app is able to use audio at full volume at a time. Other apps are able to use audio but very quietly. Is this the result of not using a sound server such as esd?
14:04<cahoot>modprobe -r rt2500pci , then modprobe rt2500pci
14:04<blal>(That was question #1.)
14:04<jobbe>ok
14:04<blal>(of several)
14:04<jobbe>lol? wmaster0 IEEE 802.11g Frequency:2.412 GHz
14:05<jobbe> and wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:""
14:05<jobbe>ok now i did iwconfig wlan0 essid default
14:06<jobbe>but it still not working
14:06<blal>Hm. Dpkg doesn't seem too positive about esd or arts. Is these the only ways to get unrelated apps to share audio devices?
14:07<cahoot>blal: no - modern alsa offers dmix by default
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14:07<cahoot>blal: the problem being it works only for alsa-aware apps
14:08<blal>cahoot : I think I'm using alsa. Can you suggest a command that would tell for sure?
14:08<blal>cahoot : I might be able to work w/ that limitation.
14:08<cahoot>blal: run a few instances of aplay <some.wav>
14:10<blal>"while sleep 1; do screen -d -m aplay /usr/share/kismet/wav/alert.wav; done"
14:10<blal>cahoot : Only one instance plays loudly at a given time.
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14:11<blal>cahoot : Has a nice post-apocalyptic feel. Secondary instances of the WAV files play quietly but are audible.
14:11<blal>cahoot : what does this suggest about whether alsa is using dmix properly?
14:11<blal>(or at all)
14:11<cahoot>blal: if they are simultaneous dmix is working
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14:12<cahoot>else the would be queued
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14:13<blal>cahoot : I see. So how do I turn up the volume for secondary sound device users?
14:13<cahoot>blal: you ask too much ;)
14:13<cahoot>blal: what soundcard?
14:13<blal>cahoot : Like, the whole point of playing things simultaneously is to be able to hear them both. :-D
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14:14<blal>cahoot : Some embedded on-motherboard thing. I've loaded the module snd_via82xx. Does that reveal which card?
14:15<blal>cahoot : Multiple snd_* modules depend on that one, so I'm thinking that's it.
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14:16<lupine_85>aplay -l ftw
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14:18<blal>lupine_85 : aplay -l lists VIA 8237 as the only sound device. (Two cards bearing this name are listed.)
14:18<cahoot>blal: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* list any interveners?
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14:19<blal>cahoot : Ooh, that's a fun command. Lemmie investigate...
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14:21<twyst>nick Twyst
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14:26<blal>cahoot : Ok, how do I tell if something is an intervener?
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14:26<cahoot>blal: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* list anything?
14:26<blal>Yes.
14:26<cahoot>like?
14:27<blal>cahoot : Two for /dev/snd/controlC0: xfce-mcs-manage and xfce4-mixer-plu (both running under my account. I'm running xfce4.) Another file, /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: aplay.
14:28<cahoot>aplay still running?
14:28<blal>cahoot : I assume xfce4-mixer-plu = /usr/lib/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-mixer-plugin ..
14:28<cahoot> /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is your output
14:28<blal>cahoot : I've got a short audio file playing over and over via a while loop.
14:28<cahoot>ok
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14:29<cahoot>at least no esd or artsd messing with the device
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14:30<cahoot>but OTOH nothing that explains your problem
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14:30<blal>cahoot : Interesting. I was only continuously running one aplay. I now have multiple aplay's running.
14:30<blal>cahoot : fuser now lists 4 aplay instances under /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:
14:31<cahoot>1 loud and 3 silent?
14:31<blal>cahoot : Yep.
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14:31<blal>cahoot : also, one of the five spams me w/ "aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy"
14:32<blal>cahoot : And when the spammer gets in at the right time, another aplay loop starts spamming.
14:32<blal>cahoot : So they're fighting over the 4 sub-devices, yes?
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14:32<cahoot>you have 4 subdevices?
14:33<blal>cahoot : Well, here are the first two lines of the output of alsa -l:
14:33<cahoot>cat /proc/asound/pcm - more than 1 playback?
14:33<blal>cahoot : lessie... (aborting aplay -l dump)
14:34<blal>00-01: VIA 8237 : VIA 8237 : playback 1 : capture 1
14:34<blal>00-00: VIA 8237 : VIA 8237 : playback 4 : capture 1
14:34<blal>cahoot : That is the entire output.
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14:35<cahoot>so your card natively supports 4 outputs ( with no need for dmix)
14:36<cahoot>i e 4 simultaneous ouputs
14:37<cahoot>run alsamixer and disable everything but pcm and master
14:37<blal>Okie doke...
14:37<blal>cahoot : Aaahhh... I'll try that.
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14:38<shellclear>somebody can help me to connect in a VPN windows with PPTP
14:39<blal>cahoot : And disable = select the input source and push "m" so the green "OO" becomes "MM", correct?
14:39<fennec>msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout
14:39<cahoot>correct
14:39<fennec>sorry about that
14:39<fennec>just woke up
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14:39<shellclear>somebody can help me to connect in a VPN windows with PPTP
14:40<shellclear>??????
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14:40<blal>cahoot : I have done that. Hm. Not sure if the other audio files are playing. Investigating...
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14:41<shellclear>somebody can help me to connect in a VPN windows with PPTP?
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14:43<sleepiedemon>shellclear: try pptpclient.sourceforge.net
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14:45<shellclear>It is not Disponivel for debian Lenny.
14:46<blal>cahoot : Couldnt' hear secondary audio files playing.
14:46<blal>cahoot : tried un-muting other output sources; still can't hear secondary audio...
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14:47<cahoot>blal: sorry - no useful idea
14:48<blal>cahoot : Ok... I've got mplayer paused and am listening for the secondary audio input.
14:48<blal>cahoot : er... now I can accurately test your suggestion.
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14:49<blal>cahoot : Any idea what "VIA DXS" would mean? It's one of the thing slisted in alsamixer.
14:49<cahoot>digital?
14:49<blal>cahoot : Also, muting PCM mutes the secondary and primary audio players.
14:50<cahoot>expected
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14:50<blal>cahoot : so the hypothesis is that audio files were being played to different devices and it was just a matter of adjusting their (independent) volume? And we've disproven that hypothesis?
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14:51<cahoot>AFAIK the level should be the sam for all outputs
14:51<cahoot>same
14:52<cahoot>unless you have some funky .asoundrc in place
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14:53<blal>cahoot : Nothing.
14:54<blal>cahoot : No .asoundrc exists. All is lost.
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15:04<jobbe>hello again
15:04<jobbe>i have just been out.. but my wlan card still dont work :/
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15:13<blal>cahoot : !!!
15:13<blal>cahoot : It was the DXS devices!!!!
15:13<blal>cahoot : It was the DXS devices!!!!
15:13<blal>cahoot : It was the DXS devices!!!!
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15:16<blal>cahoot : Adjusting the volume of "DXS", "DXS1", "DXS2", and "DXS3" was the solution.
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15:16<blal>cahoot : Oh, excuse me. "VIA DXS".
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15:32<SpeedyG>hi, i'm having some problems getting my SPDIF to work on an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, does anyone know how to do this?
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15:54<iisjmii>alsamixer
15:54<iisjmii>sorry :) that was not the console ;-)
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16:26<icy>Hello :)
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16:27<icy>I installed a Debian netinstall with only the base system, now it asks me to insert the cd when i want to install additional packages with apt-get which is a problem
16:27<icy>how can i fix it?
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16:29<lupine_85>icy: remove the cdrom line from /etc/apt/sources.list
16:30<icy>thank you
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16:30<lupine_85>np
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16:54<jobbe>lupine.. i have problems.. the wlan dont work
16:55<jobbe>lupine and i screved up debian..
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17:38<Guest1005>hello
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17:52<crumblenaut>hi, i am getting a segfault when running depmod -a. strace here: http://pastebin.ca/829119 if anyone can offer any assistance it would be gratefully received.
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18:22<fuffi>hello, im having some trouble getting my laptop to connect to the internet with a router, dhclient says no dhcp offers received
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18:24<fuffi>the laptop is connected to the router via patch cable, i can get an ip fine if i plug straight from my modem to the laptop
18:24<fuffi>and im running shorewall
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18:31<karen1to>çäðàâñòâóéòå
18:32<karen1to>òóò åñòü ïîëüçîâàòåëè nokia n800?
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18:33<dli>karen1to, this is an english only channel
18:33<karen1to>dli: ok
18:36<karen1to>Here there are users nokia n800?
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18:38<fuffi>ok im gonna ask again
18:39<fuffi>im having some trouble getting my laptop to connect to the internet with a router, dhclient says no dhcp offers received
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18:39<fuffi>the laptop is connected to the router via patch cable, i can get an ip fine if i plug straight from my modem to the laptop and im running shorewall
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18:43<otter_>I blame the router!
18:44<fuffi>my windows box works fine
18:44<fuffi>:/
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18:52<valdyn>fuffi: try this w/o shorewall
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18:56<fuffi>i did :P
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18:56<fuffi>does the same thing
18:56<fuffi>dhclient says no offers received
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19:00<radoslav>dhcp is a stupid service ;)
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19:01<fuffi>indeed it is but i would like to get it working
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19:39<gotti>yo
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19:40<gene>hello
19:41<Pimp>hell...o
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19:45<otter_>grooove, kats
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20:48<Jmd>I've just asked on Freenode, and nobody was of help. I'm wondering if anyone here can help me out. I'm compiling the latest kernel(2.6.23.12) for my Debian Etch system. I want to compile the newer feature Boot Logo into the kernel. When I tried to do this on my custom 2.6.23.11 kernel it didn't work properly. It displayed the boot logo in the top left, but the bottom third of the screen was white. What configurations do I have wrong?
20:48<Jmd> Additionally, what module do I have to load into the kernel so it will show my battery/power status on my gnome system tray?
20:49<Jmd>It shows the icon that displays the battery on the kernel I'm using right now, 2.6.18-5 from the repository, but not when I boot into my custom compiled kernel. It has all the power management features compiled in too.
20:50<Jmd>So that leads me to believe I need to load a module into the custom kernel for that to display.
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20:56<E1>Hey guyz
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20:57<E1>right now, i'm just wondering why my sound ain't working
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20:57<Guest1021>so, I used the netinst disc to install debian on a usb flash drive. unfortunately the 'grub-install' step broke grub ... now I can't boot anything.
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20:59<E1>II've got a soundblaster live! card that debian detects
20:59<Vasistha>damn, can't remember my password :P
20:59<E1>lol
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20:59<E1>yet there is no sound
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20:59<Vasistha2>can anyone recommend a rescue cd that includes the grub-install script? I've tried a couple that failed...
21:00<witte>Vasistha2: any would do, describe "failed"
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21:00<Jmd>E1: Did you install the alsa package?
21:00<Jmd>Nm..
21:01<Vasistha2>witte: well, a couple cd's didn't have grub-install on them. The one that did ... had a read-only file system, and the grub-install script seems to want to write a /boot/grub/device.map file ... and that step failed, then it was unable to read the same file, and ... it failed.
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21:02<witte>Vasistha2: you know you have to do grub-install in a chroot, or grub-install to a specific device (maybe /dev/sda1 or /dev/hda1)
21:02<witte>Vasistha2: just use the netinstall cd you have, and boot rescue
21:02<Vasistha2>witte: hum, I did it to /dev/hda rather than /dev/hda6 -- will try :)
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21:03<witte>Vasistha2: both could work, that depends
21:03<Vasistha2>ooh, boot "rescue" ... that's a great idea. When I booted it in normal mode, it didn't have 'grub-install' available.
21:03<witte>but best is to mount the root disk on /test
21:04<witte>then "cd test", "chroot .", and "mount -a"
21:04<Vasistha2>can the etch netinst cd handle that? ...it seems to have chroot :)
21:04<witte>next thing is the grub-install (in that case you use the grub install and the menu.lst from your hd
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21:04<witte>Vasistha2: of course :-)
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21:07<witte>Vasistha2: try the grub-install /dev/hda before you try the /dev/hda6, I think that is better
21:08<Vasistha2>witte: well, that's what I did first ... now I'm having frustration with the etch netinst ... mounting /dev/hda6 on /mnt/deb failed: No such device
21:08<Vasistha2>the netinst doesn't seem to have fdisk :|
21:08<Vasistha2>...but even so, I know that's my root drive...
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21:08<Vasistha2>...and it properly detected it and populated /dev
21:08<witte>fdisk is in the netinst
21:09<witte>and look in /dev for the disk or in dmesg
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21:09<Vasistha2>you say fdisk is in the netinst, and yet when I type fdisk, I get -sh: fdisk: not found
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21:10<witte>Vasistha2: look in /sbin, it has to be there, or otherwise cfdisk
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21:11<witte>Vasistha2: and you should not need fdisk if all goes well ;-)
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21:12<Vasistha2>witte: well, /sbin and /usr/sbin are in my path; and the only reason I wanted fdisk was to verify that I was attempting to mount the right partition -- after that failed
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21:13<Vasistha2>man, I need to find a good live+rescue cd. this sucks ass. :P The last time I did this, I just used a grub floppy ... but this 'puter has no floppy; and I didn't realize that I didn't have a single decent rescue cd around
21:13<witte>!grml
21:13<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/
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21:14<Vasistha2>nice, thanks for the recommendation.
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21:14<witte>Vasistha2: which devices do yo uhave in /dev
21:14<witte>Vasistha2: and i mean the hd* and sd* things
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21:18<Vasistha2>witte: oh, /dev has the devices set up perfectly ... /dev/hda[1-35-9] as it should ... mount just failed :(
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21:19<Vasistha2>man, sucks to do a big download from halfway around the world :( but there are no us mirrors!
21:19<witte>Vasistha2: it is not that far at this end of the line
21:20<witte>Vasistha2: but that also means it is 3:19 here, and time for bed
21:20<witte>Vasistha2: good luck with solving your problem
21:21<Vasistha2>witte: thanks for trying to help! I'll get it worked out soon -- I'm not going to be long without my computer!
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21:21<witte>:-)
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21:22<tweak>hello all, I was wondering if anybody knew of a good irc server/channel to get adobe flash help?
21:22<tweak>from past experience I find debian users to be knowledgable in many areas I thought I would try here first.
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21:24<tweak>oookkk I must have been mistaken
21:24<blarson>Seems grml dosn't have a sparc version.
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21:50<oddtod>hey guys can i ask some one to do me a favor and grab me a list of proxy servers
21:50<oddtod>?
21:50<oddtod>free+
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21:55<mirtec001>hi all
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21:57<mirtec001>What is the best Linux app out there for networking?
21:58<Supaplex>netcat
21:58<lupine_85>iproute2
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21:58<lupine_85>it's a bit of an odd question to ask, though
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21:58<mirtec001>I know... I was looking for a simple GUI to show my fried how easy it is... If I go through the command line, I think it might drive him away...
21:59<lupine_85>NetworkManager is the usual suggestion
21:59<lupine_85>personally I use the command line tools, or just the kcontrol panel
21:59<lupine_85>maybe gnome has an equivalent
21:59<Supaplex>so he wants to run the internets on the pc huh
21:59<mirtec001>I use KDE with Etch...
22:00<lupine_85>so just load up the KDE control panel's networking applet
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22:00<lupine_85>it's pretty enough
22:00<Supaplex>i uses flwm
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22:01<mirtec001>thnx
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22:02<mirtec001>has anyone had any good luck with MediaTomb?
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22:35<Hideo_Kuze>I made 2 dumbest mistakes this morning: 1. naming a backup etc directory as etc; 2. rm -rf said directory as root
22:35<Hideo_Kuze>you can guess what happened next
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22:38<amphi>Hideo_Kuze: you roared and brayed? ;)
22:38<Hideo_Kuze>I cried like a bitch :(
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22:41<roleohibachi>does anyone have a moment to lend a hand with a problematic pcmcia nic?
22:42<Hideo_Kuze>speak up, if anyone knows about it, they'll help
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22:44<roleohibachi>fair enough. i'm using damn small, most recent version, and attempting to use a xircom creditcard 10/100 pcmcia ethernet nic. there is no entry in /etc/pcmcia/config, and i haven't been able to write one that would work. i had slight success with one driver (i'm rebooting now, i'll say which it was in a moment), but only in that it didn't hang the system when i connected the card. i've not been able to make a connection.
22:45<roleohibachi>any thoughts?
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22:57<roleohibachi>it's Xircom, CreditCard 10/100, CE3-10/100, 1.00
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23:15<roleohibachi>and the driver that I have working is pcnet_cs
23:15<roleohibachi>"working"
23:15<roleohibachi>as in, not hanging
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---Logclosed Sun Dec 23 00:00:31 2007