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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-12-25

---Logopened Tue Dec 25 00:00:05 2007
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00:30<bernardo>Merry Christmas everydody!!!
00:30<bernardo>Ho Ho Ho!!!
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00:38<Christmas>yea
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00:42<bernardo>so...
00:43<bernardo>It's too quiet here...
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01:01<Christmas>quiet indeed
01:01<bernardo>Who wants to join me in the development of an Android(google software stack for mobile phones) application for the android contest?
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01:06<brunner>ameyer!!! Where are you!! We need you!
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01:07<brunner>this is #ubuntu, right?
01:08<ameyer>#debian actually
01:08<brunner>no way
01:14<Christmas>yeah it's ubuntu says in the topic ;)
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01:18<sparr>debian-tools but not debian-distro question, regarding apt, preferences, policy, pinning, etc. http://rafb.net/p/XgNDbx80.nln.html
01:18<Christmas>klasjdf asklfdjas
01:19<Christmas>sry for that
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01:22<istoc>Are the debian forums down?
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01:22<Christmas>yes
01:23<istoc>Sigh
01:25<sparr>nothing better to do than help me configure apt? :)
01:26<bernardo>sparr: what you need?
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01:27<sparr>im getting unexpected policy results, based on my pins. need help figuring out whats wrong and how to fix it. http://rafb.net/p/XgNDbx80.nln.html
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01:29<otter_>merry ecksmas, debianites!
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01:30<bernardo>otter_: Ho Ho Ho!!!
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01:32<Christmas>Rocks!
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02:13<vinicius>Hello! It seems I can't download https files. Anybody guess what's the problem?
02:13<vinicius>I tried to install firefox extensions, but I can't download the files with wget as well...
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02:15<dli>vinicius, why not in firefox?
02:15<vinicius>dli: i can't in firefox...
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02:16<computer>vinicius: is this with all https file or only certain ones?
02:16<vinicius>dli: so I tried with wget to ceck if is a problem with firefox, but it does not seem to be...
02:16<vinicius>dli: it seems to be only the ones in addons.mozilla.org
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02:18<Christmas>btw, when kde4 will be released it will be included in testing?
02:19<Christmas>i mean apt-get dist-upgrade will install kde4?
02:19<vinicius>dli: and any kind of https connection seems really slow
02:21<dli>vinicius, it's slow to start or slow in data transferring
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02:22<vinicius>both
02:22<vinicius>dli: both
02:23<vinicius>dli: speacially slow to start
02:23<chealer>Christmas: no
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02:23<dli>vinicius, I would try: apt-get --purge remove iceweasel, and reinstall
02:24<Christmas>and why no chealer? :(
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02:29<vinicius>dli: good one
02:29<vinicius>dli: i tried only to delete the basic ".firefox" dir
02:29<vinicius>dli: ill try the hole shit
02:29<vinicius>dli: wait some :)
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02:30<dli>vinicius, I think your ssl certificate has expired or something, --purge would remove the old one
02:31<chealer>Christmas: almost all software isn't even in unstable when it's released. and it takes even more time to transition to testing.
02:31<vinicius>dli: i dont think i can do thet
02:31<vinicius>dli: im under ubuntu, and it will remove lots of stuff
02:32<vinicius>dli: ill try anyway :) fuck ubuntu
02:32<dli>vinicius, we can help you run debian
02:32<vinicius>dli: yes i know... but ubuntu is better on this laptop
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02:33<vinicius>dli: debian will take me too much time to enable everything
02:33<dli>vinicius, no, debian is always better
02:34<vinicius>dli: I know this too
02:34<vinicius>dli: maybe is a good idea to try
02:34<Christmas>however, in the future it will enter testing, right chealer?
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02:34<vinicius>dli: but is not so out-of-the-box understand?
02:34<Christmas>it will be in the next stable debian release
02:34<Christmas>hope so
02:35<dli>Christmas, not sure :)
02:35<Christmas>and why is that?
02:35<chealer>Christmas: yes. not necessarily in lenny, no.
02:35<Christmas>ok
02:35<Christmas>depends on lenny's release date i guess
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02:36<vinicius>an of you know how to change the gnome main menu icon?
02:36<dli>vinicius, #ubuntu
02:38<vinicius>dli: unhappily, people there do not give support as here :p
02:38<Christmas>try on freenode not here on oftc
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02:39<Christmas>or ubuntuforums.org it's impossible not to get help, i used kubuntu for 6 months and the community was very helviva pink floyd!ul
02:39<Christmas>help ful
02:39<Christmas>stupid replacement
02:41<vinicius>Christmas: true, but they're not good on IRC
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03:09<ccg>where does the mplayer plugin for mozilla write its temp files to ?
03:13<otter_> /dev/hell!
03:14<fxiny>/dev/pr0n :P
03:14<dli>ccg, usually /tmp/
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03:20<ramin>hey guys, when trying to boot into debian, it says that I have an exetremely broken bios, what I am supposed to do
03:20<ramin>isolinux doesn't work
03:21<cahoot>look for an bios upgrade?
03:21<ramin>hmmm, let me do a google query
03:21<dli>ramin, try the old trick, kernel parameters: "noapic acpi=off"
03:21<ramin>when do I put that in though?
03:22<ramin>I just want to boot off the cd
03:22<ramin>I don't even get to the boot menu of debian
03:23<dli>ramin, I don't remember whether isolinux can do kernel parameters
03:23<ramin>I see
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03:24<dmobi>good morning. merry christmas
03:24<ramin>I am obviously in something other than my actual bios because when I press ctrl alt delete, my computer doesn't restart
03:24<ramin>but it doesn't allow me to type anything
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03:25<ramin>this site is down as well
03:25<ramin>http://btmgr.webframe.org/
03:27<ramin>so with smart bootmanager, you guys think I can get into the debian installation?
03:27<cahoot>why not try to fix the bios if that's an alternative?
03:28<ramin>well, I would but how, and what is wrong with it in the first place, I found some new drives for it but I can't find a way to install them
03:29<ramin>drivers*
03:29<cahoot>ok
03:29<fxiny>ramin: try a hard disk install booting from grub
03:31<ramin>how do I do that? Sorry Im not at all familiar with bios errors
03:32<fxiny>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
03:33<ramin>more specifically, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en#files-lilo is this correct?
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03:35<ramin>I get the idea, thanks mate, I'll see if I can install it this way
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03:36<fxiny>ramin: np
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03:45<ramin>fxiny
03:45<fxiny>yes ?
03:46<ramin>I am supposed to copy vmlinuz and initrd.gz from the archive, but in which folder are they located in, atleast for the etch installation
03:46<ramin>I have the cd, could the files also be there?
03:47<fxiny>nope . they are in a repo . you need a netinstall iso as well
03:48<fxiny>lemme see if i have the url somewhere
03:48<ramin>k
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03:49<fxiny>ramin: check this page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
03:49<ramin>alrighty, thanks
03:50<fxiny>np
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04:06<ramin>I am currently on ubuntu trying to put boot files on my usb, but when I do this, # zcat boot.img.gz > /media/RAMIN , it says that it is a directory
04:08<ramin>what do I do?
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04:10<dli>no more ubuntu :(
04:11<ramin>I know
04:11<ramin>but I need help
04:11<ramin>it says that my usb is a dir
04:11<dli>ramin, when can help you boot debian from usb
04:12<ramin>what?
04:12<ramin>and the usb has no name like sda1, it is just /media/RAMIN
04:13<ramin>and it says that that is a directory, and it doesn't do th ejob
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04:14<dli>ramin, zcat boot.img.gz > $(grep '/media/RAMIN' /proc/mounts|awk '{print $1}')
04:15<dli>ramin, and no more ubuntu
04:15<ramin>I know, lol, Im switching, it is too slow
04:15<ramin>but, is that what I use?
04:15<ramin>to extract it?
04:16<dli>ramin, no, it tells you which device to use. you should umount the device first
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04:16<ramin>k
04:16<NeonmageK>Hello everyone
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04:28<leleobhz>someone can help-me to create a pool?
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04:29<leleobhz>i have a lot of mine packages and i dont remember how can i create a pool separated by version
04:31<dli>leleobhz, did you read the debian maintainer's manual
04:33<leleobhz>maint-guide?
04:36<m0RrE>i've got a strange problem.. i can't get my usb storage devices to automatically mount in debian lenny..
04:41<dli>m0RrE, you can use ivman
04:41<dli>!ivman
04:41<dpkg>ivman is probably an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when devices are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net.
04:42<m0RrE>oh!, thx. i'll give it a shot
04:45<dli>leleobhz, if it's only for your own use, you can make put them in your own folder, and dpkg-scanpackages
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04:46<m0RrE>hmm, can't get it to work
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04:47<leleobhz>dli: no, it arent
04:47<leleobhz>is a package suite provided by me, but i have packages for a lot of archs and distros...
04:47<leleobhz>ive created it once, but i dont remind how....
04:48<leleobhz>dli: i think in my case a pool is more easier to mantain than create a lot of repos...
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04:49<dli>leleobhz, oh, I only know how to build on package base :(
04:50<leleobhz>dli: well, i can find all my packages with a find command
04:51<leleobhz>but i can separate it by system version
04:51<leleobhz>leleobhz@zorg:~/TRABALHO/DEVELOPMENT/COMPILACOES$ find /home/leleobhz/TRABALHO/DEVELOPMENT/COMPILACOES -xdev -iname "*.deb"
04:52<leleobhz> /home/leleobhz/TRABALHO/DEVELOPMENT/COMPILACOES/DEBIAN/chroot/etch/final/praat-4.6.09/praat_4.6.09~etch1_i386.deb
04:52<leleobhz>has example
04:52<dli>leleobhz, this is the repository howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
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04:58<leleobhz>dli: it dont tell how to create pools....
04:59<dli>leleobhz, I guess you have to build packages individually, if it's smoothly enough, maybe, you can have a script
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05:05<ramin>alright, well, I started my debian installation with grub
05:06<ramin>and the netinstall
05:06<ramin>everything is going good
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05:16<ramin>guys, I installed the minimal system, is that no gui?
05:16<ramin>cause I just installed it using the net install, but I get shell
05:16<ramin>how do I get X
05:17<gsimmons>!install x
05:17<dpkg>to install x in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. if you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your x server, ask me about <drxx>
05:17<dli>ramin, for gnome, run: tasksel
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05:19<ramin>thanks, but when I do that, it gives me the printer server, sql server, and stuff like that
05:19<ramin>then what do I do?
05:20<dli>ramin, select "desktop environment"
05:21<ramin>desktop environment isn't there but I realize now that i needed to pick a mirror for my installation, I just chose the minimal system
05:22<dli>!sources.list
05:22<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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05:32<ramin>dli
05:32<ramin>I have those repositories
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05:32<ramin>but whenever I put anything, it just puts me back to shell
05:32<ramin>when I tried doing this, apt-get install x-window-system-core, it wouln't wokr
05:32<ramin>work*
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05:34<Maulkin>ramin: do you want gnome, or kde, or xfce?
05:34<Maulkin>Or somethign else?
05:34<ramin>gnome
05:35<dli>ramin, can you "apt-get update"
05:35<ramin>let me see
05:35<Maulkin>ramin: run 'aptitude update; aptitude install gnome gdm'
05:35<Maulkin>oh, and possibly 'aptitude install xserver-xorg'
05:36<ramin>k, wait please
05:36<boudewijn>or just xorg
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05:38<dli>!install x
05:38<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your x server, ask me about <drxx>.
05:38<ramin>alright, I installed xorg
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05:38<ramin>now for gnome
05:40<ramin>it says it can't find xorg, actually
05:41<ramin>and I did aptitude update my database
05:41<dli>ramin, can you pastebin your sources.list
05:41<ramin>well, I am not talking to you on the my debian, I'll have to copy from one computer to the other, so wait
05:42<dli>ramin, apt-get install ssh
05:42<dli>ramin, you can scp it around
05:45<ramin>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/update main contrib
05:45<ramin>is there a problem?
05:46<ramin>there are two more debs, they are for my netinstall cd
05:46<dli>ramin, you need more
05:46<dli>!sources.list
05:46<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
05:46<ramin>ah!
05:46<ramin>I see, I will try this out
05:46<ramin>thanks
05:47<dli>ramin, then, apt-get update; tasksel
05:47<ramin>yep
05:47<ramin>thanks
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05:49<bottleneck>?
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06:19<matthias>are ext3 partitions per default mountet with the noatime option in debian etch?
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06:19<cahoot>not AFAIK
06:20<cahoot>fstab would tell
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06:20<michi>#ubuntu-de
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06:24<matthias>i just can't remember wether i removed it manually or wether it was not there after my installation (which dates back to several month in the past) I added it by hand some time ago anyway.
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06:32<matthias>Cahoot?
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06:33<cahoot>matthias: IIRC I set noatime post-install
06:34<fxiny>matthias: check : tune2fs -l /dev/hdxxx | grep features
06:36<cahoot>matthias: actually I know for a fact I set it post-install
06:36<gsimmons>matthias: The default applied filesystem features are defined in /etc/mke2fs.conf.
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06:42<ramin_>hey guys, how do you think I can find a way to get more resolutions?
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06:42<cahoot>xrandr -q lists too few?
06:42<ramin_>I am just stuck on 1024X 768
06:42<ramin_>what?
06:43<ramin_>yes
06:43<ramin_>in my screen resolution preferences
06:43<fxiny>anyway cahoot was right : noatime is a fstab option
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06:44<cahoot>ramin: what graphic card and driver?
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06:44<ramin_>ATI Radeon 8500 series
06:45<nbd_>and which kind of screen ..?
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06:45<ramin_>my monitor is a sony SDM M81
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06:46<cahoot>ramin: see if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg helps
06:46<ramin_>k
06:47<nbd_>just believe that you can't have a resolution greater than 1024x768 with vesa driver
06:48<ramin_>hmmm, well I am reconfiguring it
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06:51<ramin_>ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QL, this is my driver
06:51<cahoot>I'd guess ati (unless it's called radeon)
06:52<cahoot>if it's not such a modern device it craves fglxr (fgxlr?)
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06:53<ramin_>it doesn't have fgxlr
06:53<cahoot>that's a relief ;)
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07:01<dli>ramin, you should choose ati
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07:06<ramin>dli, some one is giving a driver now,
07:07<dli>ramin, r200 is supported by open source driver
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07:09<ramin>where do I get these open source drivers?
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07:09<dli>!drxx
07:09<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
07:10<dli>ramin, it's installed with xorg, just configure it
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07:20<Tuplad>guys
07:20<Tuplad>Is there some software that can track my download and upload ?
07:20<Tuplad>I'm on a router, and there are 3 computers connected, and in Belgium we have limited bandwidth ;) so I'd like to know how much this machine is downloading and uploading
07:21<fxiny>see if vnstat suits you
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07:22<Tuplad>let me check it out
07:23<Tuplad>fxiny: it definitely suits me ;) thanks!
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07:24<fxiny>Tuplad: np
07:25<Tuplad>I should just use the default, right ? eth0
07:27<fxiny>see vnstat home page , at the end of : apt-cache show vnstat
07:27<fxiny>yiu can add more eth
07:28<Tuplad>aha
07:28<fxiny>Tuplad: vnstat is not the only one . you can search apt-cache for more
07:29<Tuplad>no no, I'm happy with vnstat
07:29<fxiny>:)
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08:05<DawnLight>hello. i have a scsi adapter installed with two hard drives. their id's are 0 and 1 and they are abstracted as sda and sdb respectively. problem is hda doesn't work. on boot it displays errors about not being able to read from it and collect any data about it and such. hdb works ok. can anyone help me debug? i don't know my way around these things
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08:29<dmobi>any guide how to setup apache to be fast and not spend memory at debian?
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08:32<dmobi>at centos i had commands locate and updatedb. which are not at debian?
08:33<sooperkuh>dmobi: apt-get install locate
08:33<stew>dmobi: install findutils
08:33<stew>dmobi: which version of debian are you running? i assume stable since you are talking about webservers. sooperkuh is assuming you are running testing or unstable
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08:36<dmobi>4.0 with testing upgraded
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08:36<dmobi>from stable to testing, the utility changed/
08:37<dmobi>ok locate works. but i did not find how to update the database
08:37<stew>dmobi: note that it is NOT recommended to run a publicly exposed webserver on testing
08:37<stew>dmobi: updatedb
08:37<dmobi>neither locate -u neither updatedb works
08:37<stew>dmobi: why doesn't updatedb work?
08:38<dmobi>sorry it works now (blush). i dont know what. before it was not installed. did it got installed together with locate? anyway
08:38<dmobi>yes the webserver is publicly available
08:38<dmobi>how can i degrade to stable? :S
08:38<dmobi>how old is stable?
08:38<JasonS>!downgrade
08:38<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
08:39<dmobi>how old is stable?
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08:39<dmobi>testing had somethings i could not find at stable, like xcache
08:39<dmobi>testing when will become stable?
08:39<stew>dmobi: stable was released in april.
08:40<stew>dmobi: testing will become stable when it has no more Release Critical bugs
08:40<noflash>dmobi, http://www.debian.org/doc/ feel free to read some :)
08:40<stew>dmobi: right now it has about 642 release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
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08:41<dmobi>:(
08:41<dmobi>and i cant downgrade
08:41<stew>not easily
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08:43<dmobi>:(
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08:54<rosminet>hello, has someone already compiled fixgz with debian ? I have a message "cannot open myfile"
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09:03<streuner>rosminet: How did you try that?
09:03<streuner>!info gixgz
09:03<streuner>!info fixgz
09:04<streuner>dpkg> Package 'fixgz' does not exist
09:04<streuner>rosminet: show us please the URL where you got that from
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09:10<klimy>hi. i tried to record sound with my microphone but it does not work. i tried several how tos, but it still does not work. can anyone help me please?
09:10<klimy>the mic is recognized with lsusb and dmesg tells me usbcore-snd-audio is loaded
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09:11<sooperkuh>klimy: what program do you use to record?
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09:11<klimy>i tried the ones installed arecord and sound recorder
09:12<sooperkuh>and did you tell them to use the built-in soundcard of the microphone?
09:12<klimy>yeah, but sometimes it tells me that the device is busy.
09:13<klimy>when i reboot the message does not occur
09:13<klimy>after several tries it tells me again it is busy
09:13<sooperkuh>hm strange ... is the microphone supposed to work with linux, have you looked up its compatibility?
09:14<klimy>arecord -l tells me: card 1: default [AK5370 ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
09:14<klimy>its logitech usb desktop microphone.
09:14<klimy>some people say it works.
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09:16<sooperkuh>klimy: and even if it does not say it is busy, it does not record either?
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09:16<sooperkuh> how does it show up in the mixer? can you change recording level?
09:17<klimy>it does not record.
09:19<sooperkuh>have you seen http://crache.net/blog/2006/05/06/logitech-usb-desktop-microphone-in-linux/
09:20<klimy>when i use volume control it has just: capture microphone
09:20<klimy>no i will try it
09:20<klimy>thanks.
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09:32<rosminet>streuner : from http://www.gzip.org/fixgz.c
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09:36<dmobi> so if i have testing version at an internet server, i may get more easily hacked?
09:37<sooperkuh>dmobi: it is easier to get security fixes for stable, but having an up-to date OS is only part of the picture
09:38<sooperkuh>I would choose a properly locked down testing or unstable system over a carelessly maintained stable any day
09:38<dmobi>sopperkuh: what u mean it is only part of the picture? that it is not so important to be updated but to be secure?
09:38<dmobi>i see
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09:38<dmobi>locked down means firewall?
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09:39<dmobi>i ll not have any other users except me at the vps
09:39<sooperkuh>yes, and fixing well-known holes
09:39<dmobi>ok
09:39<dmobi>thanks
09:39<sooperkuh>and switch off unneeded services
09:40<sooperkuh>e.g. if you do not need mysql, just remove it.
09:40<stew>dmobi: security vulnerabilities in debian are announced at the same time that fixes for the stable packages are released. when they do this, *sometimes* they also release fixed testing packages, sometimes they don't. when they don't, you would need to patch and recompile the package yourself
09:41<stew>dmobi: if there is a bug in a service you are exposing publicly, then no firewall is going to protect you
09:41<stew>dmobi: you should subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce
09:41<dmobi>this includes also apache?
09:41<stew>dmobi: yes
09:41<dmobi>ok
09:42<dmobi>then i ll reinstall debian again from begining to stable
09:42<stew>dmobi: this includes every package in debian
09:42<stew>dmobi: in the future, if you find that stable is missing some package that you need, use a backport: /msg dpkg backports
09:42<dmobi>but i need a package (xcache) that is only available in testing. should i use testing source only for xcache and then return to stable for anything else?
09:42<stew>dmobi: no, do not mix testing and stable. use a backport
09:43<dmobi>let me msg dpkg to see what is backport
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09:44<dmobi>xcache not at backports.org
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09:45<stew>dmobi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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09:46<dmobi>apt-get org does not have it
09:47<dmobi>let me see
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09:50<dmobi>why it's bad to mix stable with testing packages? they ll mix directories and dependencies?
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09:53<sooperkuh>dmobi: you will get dependancy problems ... packages from testing needing newer libraries, that in turn conflict with the dependencies in testing etc.
09:53<lupine_85>dmobi: testing is built against a different version of libc6, among other things
09:53<lupine_85>well, glibc2, but you know what I mean
09:55<dmobi>thanks a lot. you are great
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10:05<dmobi>lighttpd or apache? i dont know what i need
10:06<Scurz>dmobi: what do you want to do ?
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10:07<dmobi>use of drupal cms, it will need also php and mysql conectivity
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10:07<Scurz>dmobi: you can use apache for that ;)
10:07<dmobi>ok
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10:07<dmobi>thanks
10:07<Scurz>you're welcome
10:08<dmobi>i have a 10GB HD, 360MB memory VPS. how much swap space should i set for it?
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10:08<Scurz>512 mb for the swap partition
10:09<Scurz>I think.
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10:10<dmobi>ok
10:11<dmobi>so about our previous discussion. i ll use stable and backports
10:11<dmobi>if i put backports at my sources, is it safe?
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10:12<Scurz>sorry but I don't know, I don't use backports :)
10:13<sooperkuh>dmobi: if you take them from the server mentioned here before, you should be quite safe
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10:14<dmobi>so at my sources list
10:14<dmobi>should i have just deb http://www.backports.org/debianetch-backports main contrib non-free.
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10:14<dmobi>OR also the stable deb lines?
10:15<sooperkuh>you mean the one you had before? the backports.org is in addition to what you had before
10:16<dmobi>addition, not replacement at sources list
10:16<dmobi>right?
10:16<Scurz>yes
10:16<sooperkuh>right ... just append it at the end
10:16<dmobi>thanks a lot sooper :)
10:16<dmobi>thanks scurz
10:17<Scurz>dmobi: why do you want to use backports?
10:18<dmobi>xcache
10:18<chantanito>hi, i'm having some problem, i'm using lenny but some of my gnome icon's are missing, why is that?
10:18<dmobi>or generally to have latest versions or programs not existing
10:18<Scurz>dmobi: ok :)
10:18<dmobi>i m coming from centos with plesk and now i migrate to a naked debian. :D
10:19<dmobi>what free control panel should i use in replaced of plesk? some lxadmin is easy?
10:19<Scurz>hehe, great
10:19<dmobi>i tried to intsall virtualmin but it needs a lot of setting up to start working
10:19<dmobi>which is the best free control panel?
10:20<Scurz>dmobi: I hate panels :p
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10:21<Scurz>dmobi: you should do everything with the command line
10:21<dmobi>yes i must
10:21<dmobi>but not now maybe?
10:21<dmobi>if not panel, then i d appreciate your help scurz
10:21<dmobi>i want to learn, but i must migrate in less than 2 days :S
10:23<Scurz>I don't understand
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10:34<chester_martins>hi there!
10:34<chester_martins>i have a question...
10:34<chester_martins>my debian delete some packages when i reboot (for example gdm)
10:34<chester_martins>can anybody help me?
10:34<Scurz>yes
10:34<Scurz>which packages?
10:35<chester_martins>gdm for example
10:35<chester_martins>and the package with cursor styles
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10:35<cahoot>mixing versions of debian?
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10:36<chester_martins>sorry
10:36<cahoot>are you mixing versions of debian chester_martins ?
10:37<stew>chester_martins: how do you know that debian is deleting packages?
10:38<chester_martins>i close window :p
10:38<chester_martins>so...do you know what is wrong?
10:38<chester_martins>i think not! :p
10:39<chester_martins>because when i turn on pc the gdm doesn't start
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10:46<kurumin>english or portuguese ?
10:46<sooperkuh>english
10:46<sooperkuh>!pt
10:46<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:47<kurumin>how i make for install a compiz
10:47<kurumin>i extract files but i dont know how i make for install
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10:54<MuTPyXa-doma>Ðóññêèå åñòü?
10:54<Myon>!ru
10:54<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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10:54<MuTPyXa-doma>tnks
10:55<fxiny>how can i check if rtorrent really encrypt my traffic ?
10:55<Myon>tcpdump
10:55<sybariten>fxiny: uh... shjould it?
10:55<fxiny>Myon: tx
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10:56<fxiny>sybariten: i'm happy with etch rtorrent . which does not encrypt i'm checking the veryu latest compiled on etch . i'm curious ;)
10:58<fxiny>btw , it compiles fine . checking tcpdump ...
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11:00<xadap>hi
11:00<xadap>i destroyed apt!
11:01<Photog_47>Having trouble getting epiphany to connect to network. Can anyone help?
11:01<sooperkuh>xadap, Photog_47: you both should be more specific
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11:02<xadap>yep, i tried to install compiz using a script called makeccc
11:02<fxiny>when i run stable , and i always run stable , i check how stable is advanced . for the thing i do , is ok , it would be very bad if a user could not run a client like rtorrent with encryption . all libs are avaiable on stable to to this .
11:02<xadap>it didn't work and, since then, i always get the following error when trying to apt-get install something
11:03<xadap>E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
11:03<Photog_47>Epiphany only loads Debian site. All others are errored out with connection refused or network unavailable.
11:03<sybariten>fxiny: oh ok. Why does one want to encrypt torrent traffic?
11:03<fxiny>sybariten: because of *astards isp throttling
11:04<sooperkuh>xadap: is that all you get? isn't that in a specific package? any messages before?
11:04<xadap>it downloads properly the packages
11:04<xadap>this is the last line
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11:04<xadap>the previous ones are the same as usual
11:05<xadap>well, there's also another line before the one i pasted
11:05<xadap>E: Subprocess /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true has returned an error code (100)
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11:06<sooperkuh>xadap: what is the last package that was started being configured before that error is printed?
11:06<sybariten>fxiny: how do you mean?
11:07<xadap>there's nothing else before that
11:07<xadap>when i try to install something with apt-get it happens as usual
11:07<xadap>it downloads packages
11:07<xadap>and after that
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11:07<xadap>apt asks me wether i want to continue or not
11:07<sooperkuh>ok
11:07<xadap>when i press Y, i get the error
11:09<sooperkuh>hm strange .. i think someone with more of a clue than i have must help you ; )
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11:09<fxiny>sybariten: some isp cut down on p2p . encryption gives 'em hell :P and some idiot spy and keep records of torrent traffic for money :P
11:09<xadap>thanks anyway sooperku1 :)
11:10<Photog_47> Having trouble gettingepiphany to connect to network. Can anyone help?
11:11<Photog_47> Epiphany only loadsDebian site. All others are errored out with connection refused or network unavailable.
11:11<sooperkuh>photog_47: do other browsers work (like iceweasel)?
11:11<cahoot>can you ping google.com?
11:11<Photog_47>Only download with pkg was epiphnay
11:11<sybariten>fxiny: so an rtorrent encryption won't even tell them that its torrent traffic?
11:12<Photog_47>will try thanks
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11:12<fxiny>sybariten: something like that . if i want to download foss stuff via torrent and my isp starts going mad cutting down torrent traffic . i have the right to be smart ;)
11:13<sybariten>fxiny: ok, thought an encryption like that would only hidfe torrent name and such
11:14<fxiny>so , i do not want to be laughed by some "based" user cause stable can't run rtorent with encryption because of main stable libs . that's what i've checked .
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11:18<sybariten>fxiny: if its pornography and pirated hong kong movies you're after, thats fine with me fxiny .... anything thats a big F-You to big brother is encouraged
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11:19<cahoot>cybercourage
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11:20<cahoot>revolutionary oblomovism
11:21<fxiny>sybariten: i'm not after honk bong pr0n , i keep all the bong-area cidr*blacklisted until they stop spamming around ;)
11:22<fxiny>sybariten: if you google for "etch rtorrent encryption" you'll find nothing . just ubu talks .
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11:27<fxiny>does oblomov sport a mohico ? :P
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11:27<fxiny>:)
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11:35<caralbgm>hola
11:35<SouthernC>Could someone help me with a iptables problem im trying to do /sbin/iptables -t filter -A in_internet_http_s6 -p tcp --sport 1000:65535 --dport 80 -m state --state NEW\,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
11:35<SouthernC>and it returns iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
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11:35<SouthernC>it doesnt seem to let me do anyt commands
11:36<SouthernC>.....
11:36<caralbgm>hi, i need please your help.....is about this horrible java, i can't install it on debian etch
11:37<caralbgm>try create the package with make-jpkg but....."not matching plugin was found"
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11:37<sooperkuh>SouthernC: I think there is no table "filter" by default
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11:38<sooperkuh>uoh ... there should be ... hm
11:38<caralbgm>do somebody can help me?
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11:39<SouthernC>well i am trying to use firehol and when i go to start it it returns error on all firewall rules in iptables
11:39<SouthernC>and i read there site and dont see anything on the subject
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11:41<caralbgm>somebody knows how resolve this error to install java on debian etch??
11:43<SouthernC>apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-jdk u try that
11:43<SouthernC>?
11:44<SouthernC>u gotta be root or use sudop
11:44<SouthernC>sudo*
11:45<caralbgm>not working, thanks
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11:45<caralbgm>i am new with debain, and think that need a repository but not found
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11:46<j_>hello
11:47<SouthernC>what is the error it returns ?
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11:48<caralbgm>no se pudo encontrar el paquete sun-java5-jre
11:48<caralbgm>not found
11:49<SouthernC>u might have better luck in #debian-es
11:49<SouthernC>!dpkg ES
11:49<SouthernC>or not
11:49<caralbgm>yes
11:50<SouthernC>apt-get install sun-java5-jre
11:50<caralbgm>not found this package
11:50<noname001>caralbgm: check this http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx
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11:53<caralbgm>tried this, but don' working....appear "Not matching plugin was found" with make-jpkg
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11:56<fxiny>caralbgm: add non-free to your sources list : .....debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free , then run : apt-get update , apt-get install sun-java5-jre
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12:01<sayucyof>hello
12:02<caralbgm>fxiny, can you give me all the route please
12:03<caralbgm>the link of the repository
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12:04<xadap>can anyone help me on debian installation?
12:04<sayucyof>I have a question.
12:04<xadap>i'm having trouble with LVM partitioning
12:04<sayucyof>me iceweasel lol
12:04<fxiny>caralbgm: are you from es ? is your /etc/apt/sources.list like this ? > deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free , you can see i've added contrib non-free contrib and non free . use vim to edit then run as root : apt-get update
12:04<xadap>:p
12:05<sayucyof>it is ok
12:05<fxiny>so run apt-get update or better use aptitude update
12:06<sayucyof>my trouble is java runtime
12:06<sayucyof>i installed java runtime
12:07<sayucyof>then link iceweasel
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12:07<sayucyof>about:plugin
12:07<sayucyof>It recognizes it.
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12:08<sayucyof>but java test is bad
12:08<fxiny>install sun-java5-plugin
12:08<sayucyof>5?
12:09<sayucyof>i got a new plugin
12:09<fxiny>are you running etch ?
12:09<sayucyof>yes
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12:09<fxiny>so the official etch java version is 5
12:10<sayucyof>hmmm
12:10<fxiny>if you just staryted stick with 5 or if you absolutely want 6 get bpo packages
12:10<fxiny>!bpo
12:10<dpkg>well, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
12:11<sayucyof>i got a jre1.6.0_03
12:11<fxiny>from sun ?
12:11<sayucyof>yes
12:11<caralbgm>thanks fxiny, now is working
12:11<fxiny>ok . i run 6 from sun
12:11<fxiny>wait
12:11<sayucyof>mkdir /usr/java
12:12<caralbgm>but i have a quiestion...Should I remove those who have no contrib and non-free in source.list
12:12<caralbgm>?
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12:12<fxiny>sayucyof: any particular reason for running 6 ?
12:12<sayucyof>ln -s /home/sayucyof/.mozilla
12:12<fxiny>sayucyof: man update-alternatives
12:13<sayucyof>ok thanks
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12:13<fxiny>sayucyof: you need : update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java 60
12:13<fxiny>then : update-alternatives --config java
12:13<sayucyof>oh
12:13<fxiny>same for mozilla plugin
12:14<sayucyof>ok
12:14<sayucyof> i see
12:14<fxiny>or just run officla java
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12:14<sayucyof>yes
12:14<sayucyof>i try it
12:14<fxiny>sayucyof: update-alternatives is a nicve debian feature . it makes all symlinks you want
12:15<sayucyof>yes
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12:16<sayucyof>fxiny: thanks
12:16<fxiny>sayucyof: np
12:16<sayucyof>i try qemu now lol
12:16<sayucyof>after try it
12:17<sayucyof>cya :)
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12:23<xadap>hey
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12:23<xadap>about disk partitions: is it enough with 7Gb for "/",
12:23<xadap>?
12:24<xadap>i've got 250Gb available, but the debian assistant says that I use only 7Gb for the /
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12:24<fxiny>is ok
12:25<xadap>why?
12:25<faheem__>xadap: debian assistant?
12:25<xadap>i mean
12:25<fxiny>only one partiton ?
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12:25<m0RrE>xadap: it's far more that you'll need
12:25<xadap>when we install debian, we get an assistant to partition the disk
12:25<fxiny>xadap: i suggets at least / and /home
12:25<xadap>so 230Gb for /home, 7Gb for / ?
12:25<faheem__>xadap: Depends what else you have off of root.
12:25<xadap>yes, that's what i normally do
12:25<Gathond>xadap: depends on how much resides on the / partition, i.e. is /home, /usr, /var (mostly) on the same partition or another one
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12:25<faheem__>Can't say without more info about partition scheme.
12:26<xadap>i've got 3 partitions: "/", "/home" and "/swap"
12:26<faheem__>If you have much data, 7 G not much these days.
12:26<xadap>i may create a fourth one, "/opt"
12:26<xadap>what's suposed to store the partition "/" ??
12:26<faheem__>xadap: Will / contain any data? Are you going to do any source code building under /?
12:26<shift>hello to all
12:26<faheem__>xadap: Huh?
12:27<faheem__>Store /?
12:27<xadap>i'm catalan speaker, sorry :p
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12:27<xadap>i meant that i don't know what "/" contains
12:27<m0RrE>is the root
12:27<faheem__>xadap: / is root partition. Intended for system files.
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12:28<xadap>i'm going to install some extra software and i'll code some more myself
12:28<faheem__>If you have 250 G, I'd go with larger than 7 G, or use something like LVM, so you can resize if necessary.
12:28<xadap>the system may have more users
12:28<fxiny>xadap: check lvm2 , maybe you won't use all 250G but you leave some space for lvm2 just in case
12:28<faheem__>xadap: Are you going to do that under / or in a different partition?
12:28<xadap>yep, my last installation was using LVM
12:28<xadap>and i destroyed the system with compiz :/
12:28<xadap>i'll work as user
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12:30<faheem__>xadap: Then something like 10 G would work, I think. I tend to use 25G as my / default on server systems, but these are machines with like 1TB of storage, and that is usually plenty.
12:30<xadap>alright, then!
12:30<xadap>shall i try again LVM ?
12:30<faheem__>xadap: Does still depend on what you are putting in there, but you can get an awful lot of stuff in 10G.
12:30<xadap>i got terrified when i saw my system down...
12:30<faheem__>xadap: I like LVM. It's useful, and quite stable.
12:31<xadap>for desktop machines too?
12:31<faheem__>xadap: I'd avoid snapshotting, though.
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12:31<faheem__>xadap: I've never had a problem with lvm, and I've used it on a bunch of machines, like 12 or something last count.
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12:31<fxiny>that's right 10 maybe 20/30 . fsck 230G at boot is not nice :P
12:32<faheem__>xadap: You can ask other people what they think, of course.
12:32<xadap>:)
12:32<xadap>so, let's say 15Gb ?
12:32<faheem__>xadap: Sounds good.
12:33<xadap>when i install new software, i get the executables in /usr/bin
12:33<xadap>is it?
12:33<faheem__>xadap: Yes, if debian packages.
12:34<xadap>does / contain /usr/bin ?
12:34<faheem__>xadap: Yes.
12:34<faheem__>Unless you mounted /usr on a separate partition.
12:34<xadap>alright
12:34<xadap>that makes me doubt
12:34<xadap>look
12:34<faheem__>Unless you put something explicitly in a separate partition, it would be in /.
12:34<xadap>if i create a software, i'll need some images and some space
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12:35<xadap>if it does go to "/" too, i'll have filled those 15Gb in less than a week
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12:35<sooperkuh>xadap: I routinely get by with 5GB for /
12:35<faheem__>xadap: As data pt, the main server of the research group I was working on is using 5.7G/25G. Has been in operation over 2 yrs.
12:36<fxiny>xadap: you might have problem with var in that case lvm2 can help , i think 7G for / is more then enough for a decent system
12:36<faheem__>This is used by maybe a dozen people or so.
12:37<fxiny>i'm running 3.5 maximum 4G . i can clone it in a couple of minutes if need more
12:37<xadap>it's okay, then :)
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12:38<faheem__>xadap: Note it is tricky (impossible?) to extend/resize / if it is on a LVM volume, on a running server.
12:38<faheem__>fxiny: How do you increase /?
12:39<fxiny>faheem__: mounting var somewhere else , var can get full quicly
12:39<sooperkuh>faheem_: certainly not impossible
12:39<sooperkuh>tricky, yes, though!
12:39<faheem__>fxiny: Yes, putting /var separate makes sense.
12:39<fxiny>faheem__: cp over and edit fstab
12:39<faheem__>sooperkuh: Never done it, so don't know.
12:39<fxiny>faheem__: you are right
12:40<faheem__>fxiny: cp and fstab on a running system?
12:40<sooperkuh>i think the easiest way is with a rescue cd
12:40<faheem__>sooperkuh: Right, but you'd have to bring the machine down. Certainly the recommended method.
12:41<fxiny>faheem__: i always have a little clone at hand in a spare partition ;)
12:41<fxiny>not good for prodiction servers . of course
12:41<xadap>i'm formatting and using LVM now
12:41<xadap>thanks :)
12:41<faheem__>fxiny: So you reboot into that, then?
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12:42<fxiny>faheem__: i was a multipartition scheme maniac . then i realized var most of the time was half full so i monved on a two partitions scheme + lvm
12:43<fxiny>faheem__: yes i reboot . backups are on /home partition . always two hd , great fun :)
12:44<fxiny>faheem__: now i'm playing with vservers on a PII 400 . debian is absolutely a delight :))
12:44<fxiny>this is the best toy i've ever had
12:45<faheem__>fxiny: Yes, vservers are nice. So, of course, is Debian. Three cheers for Debian!
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12:48<fxiny>faheem__: cheers^3 :P
12:48<fxiny>faheem__: :)
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12:58<fxiny>hahahahah
12:59<fxiny>feel the error yeahhhhh
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12:59<JasonS>wheee
13:00<fxiny>heheheh someone yesterday was f* busy *testing :P
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13:01<@Ganneff>well. we hate spammers
13:02<fxiny>yes . i do hate spammers
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13:04<faheem__>xadap: My home machine is currently using 7.7G/25G in /, as another data pt.
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13:04<fxiny>second wave
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13:05<faheem__>What's with all this noise?
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13:05<@Ganneff>faheem__: spammer idiots
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13:05<faheem__>Ganneff: On an IRC channel?
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13:05<@Ganneff>faheem__: yes.
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13:06<faheem__>Ganneff: Wow, those creeps get around.
13:06<sybariten>i used to get more
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13:06<sybariten>now i dont see the joins and disconnects becvause i have that turned off in irssi ... but now and then theres the occasional russian that wants to show me her photos
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13:07<ia64>guys, my specified cron jobs don't run. how can I debug them?
13:07<JasonS>sybariten: oftc supports umode +g which may stop that , course you dont get any msgs that way
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13:09<fxiny>ia64: checking your mailbox for cron messages ?
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13:10<caralbgm>hi again, somebody has installed ntfs-3g in debian etch?
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13:10<fxiny>caralbgm: you can get it from bpo
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13:12<caralbgm>Forgive my ignorance....what is bpo??
13:12<weasel>backports.org
13:12<JasonS>!bpo
13:12<dpkg>backports.org is, like, an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
13:12<fxiny>Ganneff: is your spamkiller a perl thing ?
13:12<@Ganneff>!bpo
13:13<sybariten>JasonS: whats oftc?
13:13<naudiz>Damn I need libprs500 but it is only available for Debian Sid and I run Etch
13:13<JasonS>sybariten: teh irc network you're on
13:13<@Ganneff>fxiny: its a thing.
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13:14<fxiny>Ganneff: a damned creepy one :P
13:14<@Ganneff>something that works for this kind of attack
13:15<fxiny>very efficient ;)
13:15<sybariten>JasonS: oh ok .. i never know what network i am on... almost
13:15<caralbgm>thanks
13:17<naudiz>libprs500 isn't available in backports -- libprs500 is for the Sony Ereader prs-505
13:18<caralbgm>ey, in some times has installed ntfs-3g and libc6 has be damage, with this repository is well?
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13:23<caralbgm>??
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13:25<xadap>hey
13:26<xadap>grub is pretending to load debian from hd0, but the kernel is on sd0
13:26<nanare>Hi ,I don't know forwhy but debian reboot my livebox
13:26<xadap>how can i change that from the grub command line?
13:27<naudiz>Damn Debian Etch is too ancient I might install Fedora core 8
13:27<naudiz>:P
13:27<fxiny>naudiz: what ?
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13:27<naudiz>fxiny: Debian Sid has what I needd but I'm afraid to run it
13:27<fxiny>naudiz: i'm just checking on this box rtorrent with encryption . etch is not old
13:28<naudiz>fxiny: Etch won't support new devices like the Sony Ereader prs-505
13:28<Jumpyshoes>whenever i try to run a media player, i get the message, "[ws] Sorry, your system does not support the XShape extension." or something simliar
13:28<fxiny>naudiz: that's the infamous bast*ds-hardware-vendors.mp3
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13:29<Jumpyshoes>does anyone know what XShape is?
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13:29<caralbgm>do somebody can help me, i want install ntfs-3g but don't want damage debian
13:30<fxiny>caralbgm: install it from bpo
13:30<faheem__>naudiz: You can always try to recompile for etch.
13:30<fxiny>caralbgm: all instructions are on bpo home page
13:30<naudiz>fxiny: no actually it's because the person who programmed the python script to make the device work made it with python 2.5.1 but Etch uses python 2.4.4
13:30<fxiny>naudiz: i see
13:32<sooperkuh>Jumpyshoes: the shape extension makes it possible to have windows in odd shapes like circles
13:32<sooperkuh>xdpyinfo grep SHAPE
13:33<sooperkuh>your normal Debian X server should support that
13:33<naudiz>fxiny: I have python 2.4.4 and python 2.5.5 installed by /usr/bin/python is a symbolic link to 2.4.4 I'm afraid If I relink it 2.5.5 that other python scripts on the system will fail to run and it will break the system unless the new python versions are backward compatible
13:34<fxiny>naudiz: backward compatibility is a perl gift :))
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13:34<naudiz>fxiny: I'm talking python not perl :P
13:34<fxiny>naudiz: heheheh :)
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13:35<HaMMiE>hi fxiny happy christmas
13:36<fxiny>HaMMiE: hi :))
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13:37<caralbgm>about ntfs-3g: Dependecias unfulfilled, libfuse2...and when try resolve, say: "libfuse2 is in its latest version"
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13:39<naudiz>fxiny: looks like my best solution is to run Debian Sid, Ubuntu or Fedora 8 and I don't want to run Sid or Ubuntu
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13:40<fxiny>naudiz: fetora ?
13:40<fxiny>naudiz: ubu ?
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13:43<fxiny>naudiz: if is on sid maybe will come down to lenny soon
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13:45<naudiz>fxiny: I dunno how long I can wait I want to get the sony prs-505 Ereader around Christmas time
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13:46<naudiz>fxiny: I might consider the Amazon kindle if mobipocket ran on linux but it only runs on windows
13:46<fxiny>naudiz: Christmas time ? the next one ? what's your time zone again ? :))
13:46<fxiny>naudiz: :)
13:46<naudiz>fxiny: right after christmas I mean
13:46<fxiny>naudiz: ahhhh :)
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13:47<fxiny>naudiz: what's the "mobipocket" ?
13:47<naudiz>fxiny: it converts ebook files into a native format that Amazon kindle can read
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13:48<naudiz>fxiny: that's not all it can do though
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13:52<caralbgm>about ntfs-3g: Dependecias unfulfilled, libfuse2...and when try resolve, say: "libfuse2 is in its latest version"
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13:55<fxiny>caralbgm: lemme update bpo
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13:55<opteek>when i try to compile the kernel modules for either vmware or virtualbox, i get a bunch of compiled errors regading undeclared functions
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13:55<opteek>i compiled a new kernel the debian way, and pointed the compiler to the appropriate kernel-headers... anyone have any ideas?
13:55<BiTrider>hi
13:56<fxiny>caralbgm: use this line : apt-get -t etch-backports -s install ntfs-3g . check if you are happy then clear -s to install
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13:57<fxiny>it should upgrade stuff
13:57<BiTrider>has anyone experienced kded crashing when bringing down a network interface (ie., eth0)?
13:57<BiTrider>i'm using etch
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14:00<fxiny>opteek: vmaware works fine on etch . install linux-headers
14:02<fxiny>opteek: you should not compile anything , just run vmware-install.pl . it will do for you
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14:04<opteek>fxiny, yes, it is from the install script that the module is trying to be compiled, i am running lenny with a custom kernel
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14:06<fxiny>opteek: no idea about lenny . checked vmware for a recent version ?
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14:10<opteek>fxiny, yes, ive tried multiple versions, its something with my system
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14:13<baner>fdg
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14:13<baner>fdh
14:13<baner>h
14:13<baner>gfh
14:13<baner>gf
14:13<baner>hgf
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14:13<baner>hgf
14:14<baner>hf
14:14<baner>what is here ?
14:14<baner>what is here ?
14:14<baner>what is here ?
14:16<Maulkin>baner: Can I help?
14:16<baner>no
14:16|-|mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
14:16<baner>what is here ?
14:16|-|mode/#debian [+q *!*@85.72.191.11] by Maulkin
14:17|-|mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin
14:17<Maulkin>See the topic
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14:18<caralbgm>fxiny: Many thanks, I appreciate your patience
14:18<caralbgm>Happy holidays
14:18<fxiny>caralbgm: np
14:20<fxiny>no ? hahahah some ppl like to get overrun by sleds today :P
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14:55<simonrvn>goddamned spammers
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14:55<sparr>I am having some trouble with package pinning. I have added a new repository, from which I want to pull one and only one package. That seemed to work, but now for some reason a different package is being pulled from that repository. apt sources and preferences here: http://rafb.net/p/XgNDbx80.nln.html
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14:58<simonrvn>sparr: deps? that's usually why
14:59<sparr>simonrvn: can you elaborate a little?
15:00<simonrvn>dependencies, you know
15:00<simonrvn>do i have to explain that? :)
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15:00<sparr>dependencies of what, on what?
15:01<simonrvn>whatever you're installing
15:01<sparr>so the version that i expect to get installed isnt a candidate because it depends on... something?
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15:02<simonrvn>oh, i misunderstood. you're trying to install something nd get something else instead?
15:02<sparr>yes
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15:02<sparr>i think version number is overriding my pinning
15:02<simonrvn>take a look at it in aptitude, or apt-cache show.
15:03<simonrvn>only if you put in a version in the file
15:04<simonrvn>http://paste.debian.net/45551 ; mine on a machine for instance
15:05<sparr>http://rafb.net/p/JjfTrf81.nln.html
15:05<sparr>your file means etch should be given priority over testing and sid, yes?
15:06<simonrvn>yes
15:06<sparr>for some reason mine is prefering a lower-priority package
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15:06<simonrvn>that's not /etc/apt/preferences
15:06<simonrvn>btw
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15:06<sparr>no?
15:07<simonrvn>that looks like apt-cache show output
15:07<sparr>mine? it is
15:07<sparr>thats what you said to check
15:07<sparr>preferences are here http://rafb.net/p/XgNDbx80.nln.html
15:07<simonrvn>yeh yours. be helpful if you posted your preferences file ;)
15:07<sparr>notice apt-cache policy is taking a candidate at priority 500 instead of the one from 995
15:08<simonrvn>both sid and budgetdedicated have the same number, 500, lower one of them
15:08<sparr>hmm
15:09<sparr>are lower numbers higher priority?
15:09<simonrvn>or vice versa up one of them
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15:09<simonrvn>no
15:09<sparr>then why isnt the 995 beating both 500s?
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15:09<xadap>hi
15:10<Entheogen>guys i have the problems with openoffice.... i use it on kde and when i start some application i get disorted style, i cannot see buttons, only when mouse hovers it
15:10<xadap>could anyone recompile my kernel step by step with me? i'm getting lost in manuals
15:10<Entheogen>heres scrn shoot: http://www.niksicgrad.us.to/astral/ooo.jpg
15:10<Entheogen>(i've blured text)
15:11<Entheogen>can i fix this somehow?
15:11<simonrvn>you don't have anything defined; you only have wesnoth from debian set at 996
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15:11<simonrvn>sparr: ^^^
15:11<Christmas>i don't know Entheogen, but try kword too
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15:11<sparr>Entheogen: theres a package that syncs qt and gtk style prefs. i dont know if it would fix your problem, but its worth a try
15:11<Christmas>yeah it's gtk-qt-engine
15:11<Christmas>but is that the problem you are having?
15:11<Entheogen>i'm using gtk-qt engine
15:11<simonrvn>probably needs the kde ooo thingy
15:12<sparr>simonrvn: apt-cache policy shows a 995 priority for the ubuntu version. i know i dont have that set, i assume that was a default?
15:12<sparr>simonrvn: i have * from ubuntu set to 995, actually
15:12<Entheogen>maybe that causes the problem?
15:12<simonrvn>default is 500 IIRC (see the manual, apt_preferences)
15:12<Christmas>it looks like screwed up interface
15:12<Christmas>have you tried with another gtk style?
15:13<simonrvn>except for experimental, which is set at 100
15:13<Entheogen>it only happens when I load some document
15:13<Entheogen>when I start ooo everything is normal
15:13<sparr>simonrvn: i have * from ubuntu set to 995 in my preferences
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15:13<simonrvn>yes, but nothing for winehq
15:14<simonrvn>so, it gets set to 500, and since debian's is also 500 (except for wesnoth) you have contention, and comes down to versions
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15:14<Christmas>btw, merry khristmas for the kde users :)
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15:15<sparr>simonrvn: but, once again, why doesnt the * 995 Ubuntu beat both 500s?
15:15<simonrvn>that wine is *not* coming from ubuntu
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15:15<sparr>0.9.46-0ubuntu1 0
15:15<sparr>995 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
15:15<stew>sparr: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for help with ubuntu
15:15<sparr>that one
15:15<sparr>why isnt that the installation candidate?
15:16<simonrvn>yeh, version...
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15:16<sparr>stew: i will. where do i go for help with apt?
15:16<simonrvn>look. at. version.
15:16<stew>sparr: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
15:16<stew>sparr: i've explained this already
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15:16<sparr>ok, so version overrides pinning?
15:16<sparr>can that be changed?
15:16<stew>sparr: ask #ubuntu
15:16<simonrvn>think about what i said
15:16|-|fxiny [~fxiny@host234-54-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:16<simonrvn>and go see #ubuntu ;)
15:16<sparr>stew: #ubuntu for help with a program developed by debian? this seems nonsensiscal
15:17<streuner>sparr: #ubuntu
15:17<stew>sparr: apt is developed by cannonical / ubuntu.
15:17<sparr>since when?
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15:17<stew>sparr: a few years
15:17<sparr>that is interesting
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15:18<Scurz>How to put the ssh log in its own file log (because it's currently in auth.log) ?
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15:19<stew>Scurz: i don't believe that is possible, if it is, it would be documented in "man sshd_config"
15:19<sparr>stew: do you want me to duplicate this problem in debian? its tedious, but if that's what it takes to placate you
15:19<Scurz>ok stew
15:19<sparr>seems to be the only thing that works in the past
15:20<stew>sparr: i want you to go to #ubuntu.
15:21<sparr>for a problem in debian? that's silly
15:21<weasel>it's not a debian problem.
15:21<weasel>you are using ubuntu
15:21<weasel>go to them with your problems
15:21<weasel>you can ask here if you are running debian.
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15:21<weasel>if and only if.
15:21<sparr>it will be if i spend an hour duplicating it in debian. which seems to be the only way to get things accomplished
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15:22<sparr>ok, ill be back when i get bored enough to duplicate it in debian
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15:23<stew>sparr: the problem is also that you have gone out of your way to deceive us several times in the past about the fact that you are not using debian, which makes me reluctant to waste my time
15:23<simonrvn>i'm having a hard time beleiving that the people in #ubuntu are incompetent at helping others
15:24<simonrvn>believing*
15:24<sparr>stew: no, in the past ive had problems easier to duplicate in debian, so ive done so
15:24<stew>sparr: you flat out lied about it at least twice the last time we talked, and later admitted to it. please just go
15:24<sparr>simonrvn: try harder, you'll believe. there are maybe 20 people on freenode with any knowledge of pinning, and 19 of them are in #debian*
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15:25<streuner>sparr: you are wrong
15:25<streuner>!bobbitt
15:25<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
15:25<streuner>read the factoid and unterstand
15:25<weasel>the question arises why you are running ubuntu then, if this is your opinion.
15:25<sparr>stew: i did not. im sure you have logs just like i do, so i dont need to quote them. i said i had a problem. i told you i was using ubuntu right then, and had the same problem on debian (after your stupid rules forced me to duplicate it)
15:25<weasel>be that as it may, this is not the place for ubuntu problems.
15:26<madprobe>hi
15:26<madprobe>i've no permission to use /dev/dsp when i log in as normal user. so due to this i am unable to listen any sound. please tell me how can i fix this?
15:27<streuner>madprobe: why do you need /dev/dsp at all?
15:27<weasel>madprobe: are you in the audio group?
15:27<stew>23:41 < stew> sparr: what version of debian are you running? 23:41 < sparr> testing
15:27<sparr>stew: based on http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt i am forced to disbelieve your claim that apt is developed by canonical
15:27<madprobe>streuner, no i am not in audio group. do i have to?
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15:27<streuner>stew is right, mdz just changed to ubuntu...
15:27<weasel>madprobe: yes.
15:28<weasel>can you take your pissing contest to #devnull please?
15:28<madprobe>apt is made by debian
15:28<weasel>I'm sure #debian does not care about it
15:28<sparr>stew: im also running ubuntu gutsy, and windows server 2003, and other OSes that are of no consequence.
15:28[~]madprobe agrees with weasel
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15:28<SouthernC>secopnds that motion
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15:29<stew>sparr: mdz, michael vogt, vorlon, ian jackson, colin watson, are all cannonical employees
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15:29<weasel>SO
15:30<weasel>doesn't mean apt is a product of canonical.
15:30<weasel>now end of discussion.
15:30<weasel>one way or the other.
15:30<simonrvn>/ignore -replies *
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15:35<madprobe>audio group doesnt exist on my system
15:35<sooperkuh>madprobe: is your system a debian system?
15:35<madprobe>sooperkuh, oh, it does, sorry
15:38<madprobe>sooperkuh, please tell me one thing, in /etc/group do i have to seperate userid's with comma or with space?
15:38<stew>madprobe: if you want to add someone to a group, use "adduser username groupname"
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15:39<madprobe>stew, thanks for the shortcut
15:39<weasel>you'll need to re-login after changing that
15:40<madprobe>weasel, ok pal
15:40[~]madprobe will be back :)
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15:41<peter_>help
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15:43<madprobe>audio worked
15:43<madprobe>i added the user manually using useradd so thats y it wasnt the member of audio group
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15:45<peter_>#help
15:45<sooperkuh>!ask
15:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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15:47<madprobe>peter_, sooperkuh got it :)
15:47<Trecky>lol
15:47<sooperkuh>??
15:48<madprobe>sooperkuh, what? wasn't that for me?
15:48<sooperkuh>oh forget it
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15:49<madprobe>:)
15:49<sooperkuh>i just thought peter from graz might get more help if he actually asked
15:49<sooperkuh>winkewinke nach graz ; )#
15:50<weasel>if he doesn't want to ask nobody can help him
15:50<peter_>what i wanted was /help
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15:52<Trecky>we all are here to help you peter_ :)
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15:56<sayucyof>fxiny:
15:56<sayucyof>Thank you very much.
15:56<sayucyof>When back port was put, it is possible to have done soon.
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15:57<sayucyof>dpkg: Thank you very much. bpo!!!
15:57<dpkg>sayucyof: de rien
15:57<sayucyof>:)
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16:15<leonidas>hi guys, I have added a repositories in my sources.list file but now it as asking me for a publickey. How can I do that?
16:15<weasel>man apt-key
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16:22<rkos>is there something better you can use for streaming through iceweasel than the totem movie player?
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16:23<sooperkuh>don't know about better, but you can use e.g. mplayer
16:24<rkos>but how can you use some other player to stream for example the stage6 videos
16:24<rkos>can't find any direct link for the video
16:24<sooperkuh>what format is that?
16:24<rkos>umm, don't know
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16:24<rkos>they have their own player but not for debian it seems so it uses the totem one
16:25<rkos>but the bad thing about totem is that if you pause the stream it also pauses the load
16:25<rkos>and you can't select time in the stream
16:25<sooperkuh>doesn't totem tell you about the format?
16:25<rkos>so if you wan't to go back a bit you have to restart it completely and if you wan't to skip a bit you have to wait
16:25<rkos>wait i'll check
16:25<leonidas>got it for the public key. I have added manually in the sources.list www.backports.org/debian for the flash plugins but it tells me that it cannot install flashpulgins because of dependencies
16:26<rkos>yeah its .divx
16:26<sooperkuh>probably mplayer handles better .. don't know
16:26<leonidas>I thought that if you added a repositories in the sources.list then it would take care automatically of the dependencies??
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16:27<rkos>but how do i find the direct url for the video
16:27<sooperkuh>there is a browser plugin for mplayer
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16:28<leonidas>can anyone help me out here because I am really stuck, cheers
16:29<sooperkuh>leonidas: what is your problem exactly?
16:29<rkos>just check what you are missing and then download them
16:29<leonidas>I want to install adobe flashplayer. I added a line repos in my sourceslist file to get it and imported a key
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16:30<leonidas>but now it tells me that it cannot install it because of two dependencies
16:30<sooperkuh>and these are
16:30<leonidas>ia32-libs-gtk and nspluginwrapper
16:30<sooperkuh>?
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16:30<leonidas>so adobe which I have ready for install just wont anymore
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16:30<leonidas>what am i doing wrong
16:31<faheem__>leonidas: Are you running etch?
16:31<leonidas>yes
16:31<faheem__>64 bit, I assume?
16:31<leonidas>yes
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16:32<faheem__>What does apt-cache policy show for ia32-libs-gtk and nspluginwrapper?
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16:32<leonidas>i havent got a clue
16:33<leonidas>it is tough being a newbie :)
16:33<faheem__>apt-cache policy ia32-libs-gtk
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16:33<faheem__>leonidas: You'll survive.
16:33<faheem__>What does that show?
16:33<leonidas>I have been on it since this morning :)
16:34<leonidas>it says installed none, candidate none
16:34<faheem__>leonidas: Hmm, I see ia32-libs-gtk only available lenny or later.
16:35<faheem__>Same with nspluginwrapper.
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16:35<faheem__>Is backports really expecting these to be available?
16:35<leonidas>yes same
16:36<leonidas>so I was wrong adding the backports??
16:36<leonidas>where did i go wrong??
16:36<faheem__>leonidas: So, what is the package you are trying to install, again.
16:36<leonidas>adobe flashplugin
16:37<faheem__>leonidas: No, packagename, exactly.
16:37<faheem__>leonidas: apt-get install ?
16:37<leonidas>flashplugin-nonfree
16:37<leonidas>?
16:37<faheem__>leonidas: Sec.
16:38<faheem__>leonidas: Yes, I see the problem. Looks like someone screwed up.
16:39<faheem__>I think the idea would be to backport the dependencies too, but it looks like that has not been done.
16:39<leonidas>then it can only be me :)
16:39<faheem__>leonidas: Not your fault. I
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16:39<leonidas>ok. how can i resolve this pb?
16:39<faheem__>I'd file a bug report.
16:40<leonidas>should I add another repos into my sources.list?
16:40<sooperkuh>faheem_: can you file a bug report against backports?
16:40<faheem__>leonidas: Unless you feel like trying to backport ia32-libs-gtk & nspluginwrapper yourself, not much you can do.
16:40<faheem__>sooperkuh: I'd rather leonidas would.
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16:40<faheem__>leonidas: Feel up to it?
16:41<Jumpyshoes>whenever i turn on my computer, it directly goes to the gnome login. is there any way to make it start up to the console and make it so the GUI only comes up if i tell it to?
16:41<sooperkuh>faheem_: I meant how do you do it?
16:41<sooperkuh>does e.g. reportbug accept it?
16:41<faheem__>sooperkuh: Oh, sorry. Yes, I am sure you can. Don't know the exact procedure, though.
16:41<leonidas>well faheem, keeping in mind that it took me about half to get wher I got, I think it would at least take me a week to do so:)
16:41<faheem__>sooperkuh: No, I don't think reportbug handles backports.
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16:42<faheem__>I expect going to backports would tell you what to do.
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16:42<leonidas>but, hey I am willing to learn, so why not :)
16:42<faheem__>backports.org I mean.
16:42<faheem__>leonidas: Well, give it a shot. You understand the point, right?
16:42<faheem__>Feel free to ping me on faheem@email.unc.edu if you need assistance.
16:42<leonidas>yes i do, that is why i got rid of windows :)
16:43<JasonS>you can ping on email? interesting
16:43<faheem__>JasonS: Speaking figuratively. :-)
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16:44<faheem__>Hmm. The last couple of days have been relatively spam-free. I guess even spammers celebrate Christmas. :_)
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16:44<Trecky>:)
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16:45<Trecky>we all hope so
16:45<sooperkuh>yep .. noticed that too
16:45<faheem__>Trecky: Maybe they all head to IRC, instead.
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16:45<JasonS>they certainly are on oftc lately
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16:45<sooperkuh>if i get no spam i think my mail server is broken most of the time ; )
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16:46<Trecky>faheem__: who know.....
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16:46<shade052>what is the difference between i386 and i686 architectures
16:47<sooperkuh>i686 means pentium II or newer
16:47<faheem__>leonidas: Ihttp://lists.backports.org/mailman/listinfo/backports-users
16:47<faheem__>leonidas: I'd send an email to http://lists.backports.org/mailman/listinfo/backports-users.
16:47<shade052>where does core 2 duo fall in?
16:47<faheem__>You might need to subscribe. Hopefully they'll fix it.
16:48<sooperkuh>given only the two choices, i686 is most certainly better
16:48<streuner>shade052: i386 is the old 386 intel chip
16:48<streuner>!686
16:48<dpkg>In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel
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16:49<streuner>shade052: i would go with i686 then, all Debian kernels are by default compiled with SMP
16:50<leonidas>does it matter if I choose a country other than the one I based in for a repositories??
16:50<streuner>yes, please use TLD for your country
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16:51<Trecky>leonidas: no, there is no matter, but mostly its faster in your own land
16:52<Trecky>streuner: why?
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16:53<sooperkuh>trecky: because it might save the mirror bandwidth cost?
16:54<sooperkuh>other things equal I mean
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16:54<Trecky>yes... thats right
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16:55<leonidas>I want some docs on the repositiories. Sort of howto, anyone has anything?
16:56<sooperkuh>what do you mean with "docs on the repositories"?
16:56<simonrvn>www.debian.org/mirrors
16:56<leonidas>Well I dont quite grasp (yet) the concept of how it works
16:56<leonidas>being a newbie, I think that is where I should start
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16:58<Trecky>leonidas: take a look to the debian reference
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16:59<faheem__>leonidas: I'd buy a book, perhaps.
16:59<leonidas>yes I intend to do so
17:00<leonidas>anything in mind?
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17:00<lupine_85>leonidas: as in, the structure of the repos?
17:01<JasonS>leonidas: whats wrong with the link from simonrvn ?
17:01<leonidas>that too, but a book a newbie could read to familiarize hi,self with debian
17:01<leonidas>nothing
17:01<leonidas>it is just nice to have as an extra some books
17:02<JasonS>leonidas: any book is likely quite out of date compared to the online versions
17:02<JasonS>mind you i hate reading on a monitor compared to paper
17:02<faheem__>leonidas: Um, no first hand experience, but I heard good things about 'The Debian System'.
17:02<faheem__>First hit if you search for debian on amazon.
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17:02<faheem__>leonidas: I haven't used linux books in a while.
17:03<leonidas>cool. I am new i have got the virus already :)
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17:03<dmobi>hi
17:03<dmobi>how can i move a whole directory structure to another place?
17:03<faheem__>leonidas: I'd search on Amazon and read the reviews. Reviews are useful.
17:03<dmobi>mv -R does not exist in debian
17:03<faheem__>dmobi: Just mv.
17:04<dmobi>mv . .. will work? i want to move the whole directory structure one level above!
17:04<faheem__>leonidas: Depending on your unix background, a general unix book might be useful too.
17:04<dmobi>mv: cannot move `.' to `../.': Device or resource busy
17:04<faheem__>dmobi: Yes, think so.
17:04<dmobi>:(
17:04<JasonS>dmobi: if in doubt man mv
17:05<leonidas>I havent got any unix background at all :)
17:05<faheem__>dmobi: That's odd.
17:05<sooperkuh>dmobi: get out of the dir
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17:05<faheem__>leonidas: Oh, well. Get a unix book then.
17:05<leonidas>I am like a brand new baby that is touching a brand new toy :)
17:05<sooperkuh>if it is your working dir, it might not like to be moved
17:05<faheem__>I like Mark Sobells
17:05<dmobi>ok
17:05<faheem__>I like Mark Sobell's books, though I think they are a little bit old.
17:05<dmobi>so let's see now
17:06<faheem__>leonidas: I'd just look around and see what people are currently recommending.
17:06<dmobi>cool i works
17:06<dmobi>bravo to debian for being simple
17:06<dmobi>not recursive parameter needed :)
17:07<sooperkuh>ah ... the wonders of the GNU/Linux system ; )
17:07<dmobi>:)
17:08<faheem__>dmobi: mv is just unix. Not Linux specific.
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17:12<cisko>http://pastebin.com/d52b3aeb4
17:12<leonidas>what i feel tough is that when you are trying to install a software, if it has dependancies it wont go further in the install
17:12<cisko>my cdrom is not mounting
17:12<cisko>dmesg has that
17:12<cisko>http://pastebin.com/d52b3aeb4
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17:13<JasonS>leonidas: man apt or man aptitude but basically as root you go aptitude install foo
17:13<sooperkuh>leonidas: if there is no bug in the repository, it works flawlessly most of the time
17:13<JasonS>leonidas: how were you trying to install?
17:13<leonidas>even with the dependancies?
17:13<JasonS>leonidas: yes
17:13<sooperkuh>your flash backport bug is bad luck basically
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17:14<leonidas>well for example, I did install flashplugin but I got stuck on the dependancies
17:15<JasonS>leonidas: how did you install it? but like sooperkuh said there are some exceptions
17:15<JasonS>heh
17:15<JasonS>!flash
17:15<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
17:15<leonidas>then you have many ways to install a soft. I started with dpkg -i
17:15<leonidas>but then it really didnt help me at all
17:15<sooperkuh>Jason: There is a missing dependency in backports.org
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17:15<cisko>so ill just have reboot
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17:15<leonidas>though i had downloaded the deb package
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17:16<lupine_85>leonidas: apt-gert install is your friend
17:16<lupine_85>apt-get*
17:16<leonidas>well i did that too but it stopped because of the dependancies there
17:16<lupine_85>So it's broken. Wait for it to be fixed :)
17:16<sooperkuh>that does not happen very often though
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17:17<lupine_85>hardly ever, especially in stable
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17:17<leonidas>then I succeeded when I understood that I needed to have another line in my sources.list file to allow me to install all the dependancis
17:17<sooperkuh>yes, you did everything correctly
17:17<cisko>./exec - -o sudo /sbin/shutdown -kh now
17:17<sooperkuh>the mistake is on the packager's side
17:18<leonidas>because when you install debian for the first time, you have just two or three lines in the sources.list file
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17:18<khaled>can i use java with ubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!
17:18<sooperkuh>!ubuntu
17:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
17:18<leonidas>for example I am trying to install Java as well
17:18<JasonS>!java
17:18<dpkg>methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
17:19<leonidas>but there I am just hitting a wall
17:19<JasonS>!tell leonidas about install java
17:19<JasonS>leonidas: read what dpkg just msgd you
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17:19<leonidas>I have just read that I should be using the 32 bit one
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17:20<leonidas>yes got it. My pb is not there though. I use a 64bit and not a 32 bit
17:20<leonidas>64bit amd doesnt seem to be fully compatible with java
17:21<lupine_85>32-bit is less hassle if you're new to debian
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17:21<leonidas>i was advise to use the 32bit version but how to you run a 32bit appli on a 64bit infrastructure?
17:21<leonidas>there i am lost :)
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17:21<lupine_85>leonidas: you just run it. Don't forget to have the required libraries available in 32-bit as well
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17:22<lupine_85>(which is the hard parT)
17:22<leonidas>yes lupine, but it just refuses to install
17:22<leonidas>this time I havent got any error message at all with dependancies
17:22<lupine_85>Personally, I go with a 32-bit chroot when running 64-bit
17:22<leonidas>or whatnotes
17:23<lupine_85>...which I've stopped doing at home, due to a complete lack of any need to
17:23<sooperkuh>leonidas: does http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianjava.htm help you?
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17:26<leonidas>yes, thanks sopperkuh, I now know that I need to use the blackdown java 1.4.2 :)
17:26<sooperkuh>leonidas: getting amd64 right is very hard at the moment
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17:27<abrotman>uhm .. you sholdn't use blackdown java
17:27<cisko>how do i mount my DVD?
17:27<khaled>someone tell me how to install a package in linux
17:27<sooperkuh>especially for proprietary software
17:27<abrotman>you really shouldn't use blackdown java
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17:27<JasonS>khaled: in debian or ubuntu?
17:27<cisko>how do i mount my DVD?
17:27<abrotman>leonidas: don't use blackdown
17:27<khaled>ubuntu
17:28<abrotman>cisko: to play a movie?
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17:28<leonidas>why not abrotman?
17:28<JasonS>khaled: join #ubuntu then
17:28<cisko>to browse files
17:28<cisko>abrotman: to browse files
17:28<abrotman>leonidas: because it's old/outofdate/securityrisk
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17:28<abrotman>cisko: mount /dev/<device>
17:28<khaled>ok thx
17:28<leonidas>how would you deal with java applet when you browse the web?
17:28<abrotman>leonidas: are you on etch?
17:28<cisko>abrotman: mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
17:29<leonidas>yes
17:29<abrotman>cisko: what's the command you used?
17:29<abrotman>leonidas: /msg dpkg install java
17:29<cisko>abrotman: mount /dev/hdc
17:29<abrotman>is /dev/hdc in your /etc/fstab ?
17:29<leonidas>would that deal with the java applet when browsing the web?
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17:29<leonidas>because that is all I need
17:30<abrotman>leonidas: yes
17:30<cisko>abrotman: might it be because im trying to mount an empty CD?
17:30<sooperkuh>cisko: yes
17:30<abrotman>cisko: uh .. probably .. there'd be no filesystem
17:30<cisko>lol i was trying to figure out "what is this unnamed disk and why isn't it mounting"
17:32<cisko>are there any debian FvWM users?
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17:33<sooperkuh>cisko: I think you are 10 years late ; )
17:33<cisko>im just leet
17:33<abrotman>cisko: i'm sure there are .. ask a more specific question if you have a problem
17:33<abrotman>!popcon
17:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
17:34<cisko>well i recently noticed the potential of it and i was wondering if someone knows where to get a good configuration for it
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17:34<cisko>because the "Default" is pretty much "Blank"
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17:35<ramin>Guys, I tried fixing my resolution problem with an ATI driver, but it doesn't work
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17:35<ramin>my resolution is stuck on a low 1024 x 768 and I have reconfigured jit
17:35<ramin>it
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17:35<leonidas>why is it that when I am trying to install a new soft, I need to insert my install cd everytime??
17:36<ramin>check you /etc/apt/sources.list
17:36<abrotman>leonidas: because you still have CD sources in your sources.list
17:36<ramin>yep
17:36<leonidas>yes, but is that bad|>
17:36<dmobi>where i can read about apache configuration, virtual domains and so on? thx
17:37<leonidas>should I uncheck it?
17:37<lupine_85>probably
17:37<ramin>put real servers in the sources.list
17:37<ramin>and then apt-get update
17:37<lupine_85>it cuts down your web usage slightly by using the CD, but the hassle probably isn't worth it
17:37<sooperkuh>dmobi: httpd.apache.org has quite good docs
17:37<leonidas>you see, this is where I am lost in comprehending the system. I have install my system with that cd. Shoulldnt it be on my PC?
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17:38<sooperkuh>leonidas: you have not installed everything on the cd
17:38<ramin>Anyone install a debian system with an ATI Radeon 8500 series?
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17:39<sooperkuh>and the stuff that is on the cd but not yet installed can be read from the cd
17:39<leonidas>so it needs to grab things on my cd in order to install any new softs?
17:39<sooperkuh>it does not need, it can
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17:39<leonidas>so if I uncheck it, will i still be able to install softs?
17:39<sooperkuh>if you don't want it you can remove the line with the cd in your sources.list
17:40<sooperkuh>leonidas: yes, you can comment that line out and it will take it from the net
17:40<sooperkuh>*but* you have to do a "apt-get update" first
17:41<leonidas>ok, cheers :) apt-get update is to upgrade the system ?
17:41<sooperkuh>apt-get update basically makes apt figure out where which packages can be downloaded
17:41<leonidas>do I have to run apt-get upgrade as well?
17:41<lupine_85>grabs Packages.gz
17:42<sooperkuh>leonidas: no apt-get update just tells apt which sources to use and what it finds there
17:42<lupine_85>whereas upgrade grabs the .deb files
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17:44<michael_>hello
17:44<aDmSkIlLL>boa noite
17:44<michael_>merry christmas
17:45<aDmSkIlLL>alguém pode me ajudar ?
17:45<leonidas>please help !!! I have just found out that i cannot write in any forms on the net ??
17:45<michael_>why that?
17:45<michael_>keyboard
17:45<leonidas>do not know
17:46<leonidas>I was able but then I installed adobe flashplugin and java and it is now all gone
17:47<ramin>can someone help me get my video driver correctly?
17:47<michael_>youre not able to fill text in forms?
17:47<ramin>I want to get resolutions higher than 1024 x 768
17:47<Maulkin>ramin: possibly. What's not working, and what sort of card is it?
17:47<infinitycircuit>leonidas, what web browser are you using
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17:47<Maulkin>And does your monitor/card support it?
17:47<infinitycircuit>leonidas, i believe flash is broken outside firefox
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17:48<leonidas>yes michael, but that pb is only linked to epiphany and not iceweasel
17:48<ramin>Well, my resolution is stuck on 1024 x 768, and my card is a ATI RADEON 8500 series
17:48<aDmSkIlLL>alguém pode me dizer como eu configuro um ip estático ???
17:48<Maulkin>!br
17:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:48<leonidas>whay is that?
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17:48<Maulkin>ramin: Don't message me.
17:48<michael_>flash installed by firefox itself?
17:48<ramin>ok
17:49<Maulkin>ramin: (it's in the topic, and the FAQ)
17:49<ramin>oh...
17:49<leonidas>no, i have installed flash manually
17:49<ramin>sorry
17:49<Maulkin>no problems
17:49<Maulkin>leonidas: how?
17:49<ramin>so, with my specs, do you think I can actually fix it
17:49<Maulkin>leonidas: and what version of debian are you running?
17:49<Maulkin>ramin: potentially. Any idea what driver you're using for X?
17:50<leonidas>the latest one etch
17:50<michael_>maybe it? t not a suitable version?!
17:50<ramin>I just installed this ati-driver-installer-8.42.3-x86.x86_64.run
17:50<ramin>but it doesn't work, I think
17:50<Maulkin>err...
17:50<michael_>32/64bit
17:50<Maulkin>!ati
17:50<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
17:50<leonidas>64bit
17:50<michael_>aha
17:50<Maulkin>leonidas: right... just a sec
17:51<ramin>I see
17:51<michael_>there is no 64bit flash at moment
17:51<michael_>only gnash !!!!
17:51<ramin>so apt-get install fglrx-driver?
17:51<michael_>or so!
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17:52<michael_>and gnash does?nt work properly at moment
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17:52<ramin>how do I install fglrx-driver
17:52<michael_>try ramin? s way!
17:52<abrotman>!fglrx one-liner
17:52<dpkg>i guess fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
17:53<Maulkin>leonidas: right... download http://people.debian.org/~neilm/backports/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.1etch1.1_i386.deb
17:53<Maulkin>then run 'dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.48.0.1etch1.1_i386.deb'
17:53<leonidas>iam on 64bit Maulkin
17:53<Maulkin>oh god...
17:53<Maulkin>!flash 64
17:53<Maulkin>!flash
17:53<dpkg>from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
17:53<Maulkin>!adobe flash
17:53<dpkg>Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
17:54<Maulkin>leonidas: /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper
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17:54<michael_>install gnash by apt or better synaptic
17:54<michael_>i had the same problem
17:54<Maulkin>However, gnash should be the preferred solution
17:55<leonidas>Maulkin, it is already installed
17:55<michael_>flash (only32bit ) does? t work on 62bit distros without nswrapper or whatever it is
17:55<ramin>it can't find the drivers to install
17:56<leonidas>so is ia32-libs-gtk
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17:56<paveq>any ideas what to do when output from df and du doesn't match, and diskspace is just going to some black hole?
17:56<paveq>its /var...
17:56<paveq>ext3 on lvm on raid1
17:56<ramin>wooh, man, this linux driver stuff is complicated
17:57<michael_>really ind i am no profi too
17:57<Maulkin>paveq: still open files?
17:57<paveq>the filesystem is 8G, and 100% full, but du shows only some 3.3G files
17:57<Maulkin>paveq: still open files?
17:57<paveq>Maulkin: dunno
17:57<Maulkin>!open files
17:57<dpkg>Care to know what program or process has a particular file or port open? lsof (list open files)! the package! the command! lsof is for YOU!!! lsof -i tcp:80; lsof /dev/dsp; lsof -i udp:53; etc... apt-get into today! Also, if you order right now, we'll throw in these hits for free: netstat -upant | grep whatever; fuser -v filename; fuser -v 80/tcp; etc Ask me about <file-nr>.
17:57<infinitycircuit>paveq, each filesystem has a certain amount of space dedicated to the super user to prevent it from filling up
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17:57<paveq>infinitycircuit: yes, I know
17:58<paveq>should be default 5%
17:58<infinitycircuit>paveq, tune2fs can change it but you shouldn't get such a huge difference
17:58<leonidas>Do we know why Epiphany is not reponding well to Adobe Flashplugins?
17:58<leonidas>because Iceweassel is working nicely
17:58<Christmas>i don't know
17:59<Christmas>maybe we don't know :)
17:59<nvz>responding well?
17:59<Christmas>i'm using konqueror
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17:59<leonidas>cant use my keyboard to fill out forms with Epiphany
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17:59<michael_>I have a prob with putting iceweasel links to desktop by drag ?n derop
18:00<ramin>I finally found it http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/fglrx-driver/download
18:00<michael_>konqueror does
18:00<leonidas>i havent got that pb with Iceweassel
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18:00<michael_>can you drag? ndrop?
18:00<michael_>links...
18:01<michael_>not as text
18:01<michael_>iceweasel vers 2. 0 .0 1 or so
18:01<leonidas>it's too bas because i prefer epiphany
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18:01<michael_>ok
18:02<leonidas>Iceweassel seems a lot slower
18:02<michael_>anyone an idea to solve?
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18:02<ramin>guys, how do I run fglrx driver?
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18:03<michael_>i added the addon fasterfox in iceweasel
18:03<michael_>it works
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18:04<Maulkin>ramin: do what dpkg told you
18:04<michael_>by terminal as root?
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18:04<ramin>I did
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18:04<ramin>but it couldn't find the packages
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18:04<Maulkin>ramin: Completely?
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18:04<ramin>yes
18:05<Maulkin>ramin: then you probably didn't read the whole text. Especially the bit at the end about contrib/non-free
18:05<michael_>maybe add some more debian ftps
18:05<Maulkin>michael_: what?
18:05<michael_>suggested for fglrx
18:05<ramin>I did this.
18:05<ramin>apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:06<michael_>i mean special paths
18:06<Maulkin>Yay! You failed to read the whole text. Did you add non-free sources?
18:06<michael_>ohoh
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18:06<Maulkin>michael_: what? Still not understanding you
18:06<ramin>how do I add "non-free sources"
18:07<Maulkin>ramin: /msg dpkg non-free sources
18:07<michael_>sorry: it was about the update paths for fglrx
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18:07<michael_>there might some paths missing
18:08<michael_>mean sources
18:08<michael_>sorry
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18:10<ramin>now that I am updating, I get this, 99% [7 Packages bzip2 0]
18:11<ramin>just frozen
18:12<michael_>maybe the 1% is in a different source as i said?
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18:12<michael_>don? t knok
18:12<ramin>well, what sources should I put in there as well
18:13<michael_>good question use google: maybe sources dpkg non-free
18:15<michael_>or kpackage
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18:16<michael_>preferences->place of packages
18:16<michael_>adding there the missing one/s
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18:18<michael_>has someone idea how to bring iceweasel links to desktop as html links (not as text input!)
18:18<michael_>konqueror does
18:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 298] by debhelper
18:19<ramin>Maulkin
18:19<sooperkuh>michael_: drag them to the desktop?
18:19<ramin>I did it, apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:19<michael_>this works but only textfield
18:19<michael_>i mean as html link
18:20<sooperkuh>i can grab the icon to the left of the url and drag that to the desktop
18:20<sooperkuh>works on gnome
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18:20<ramin>can anyone tell me what I do now?
18:20<michael_>not on knoppix kde
18:20<ramin>after doing this, apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:20<michael_>iceweasel 2.0.0.1 or so
18:21<sooperkuh>michael_: don't know about kde, sorry. works in gnome though
18:21<michael_>thanks sooperkup anyway
18:22<michael_>sooperkuh: you mean it works with iceweasel?
18:22<sooperkuh>yes!
18:23<ramin>thanks for giving me a command and not telling me what to do with it
18:23<michael_>interesting
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18:23<michael_>but should?t it be equal?! :-)
18:24<sooperkuh>that is, if I undestand what you want. If I do this, i get an icon on the desktop, and that links to the webpage
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18:24<michael_>correct
18:24<dmobi>proftpd or pureftpd?
18:24<michael_>i tried about 1 whole day to find solution, no way in kde
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18:26<michael_>maybe i should make an update of iceweasel which vers is now 2.0.0.8 or so
18:26<michael_>but I quess it wount work anyway
18:26<sooperkuh>mine is .11, can't imagine that is the problem though
18:27<michael_>guess too
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18:27<knoppix_>hi
18:27<michael_>i ?ll kook in the control center
18:27<sooperkuh>hehe .. the right person for you, michael_
18:27<sooperkuh>; )
18:27<michael_>._)
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18:28<michael_>hello knoppix_
18:28<sooperkuh>michael_: he is gone
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18:28<michael_>your profi about knoppix?
18:28<michael_>away
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18:29<michael_>smelled difficulties...
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18:30<michael_>doen? t matter i will have to make some experiments in control center
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18:32<michael_>sooperkuh: i will now look shortly in a special firefox chat
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18:32<sooperkuh>probably a good idea
18:32<michael_>..anyway, whis you good nignt from here and merry christmas
18:32<sooperkuh>you too!
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18:34<michael_>don? t stay too long
18:34<michael_>sooperkuh:where are you aktually?
18:34<michael_>i mean local
18:35<sooperkuh>linz austria
18:35<michael_>guten abend nachbar
18:35<sooperkuh>and you?
18:35<michael_>gruezi mitanand Fulda Germ
18:35<sooperkuh>ok gute nacht ; )
18:36<michael_>und a guats neues!
18:36<sooperkuh>for you too, but that's still what 6 days?
18:36<michael_>greetings to linz
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18:36<michael_>right
18:37<michael_>what kind of debian you use?
18:37<sooperkuh>me? unstable
18:37<michael_>ok , use sid/ux
18:38<sooperkuh>because i always want the latest gnome
18:38<michael_>64bit
18:38<michael_>maybe i will try a gmome partiton
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18:39<michael_>that what bothers me on debian is the large amount of packages
18:39<michael_>1 cd should be enough!
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18:39<sooperkuh>how so? i like it to have a lot of options
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18:40<leonidas>my epiphany web browser is all broken. I think it didnt like the java plugins i downloaded
18:40<michael_>there must be a way of loading them down by choice
18:40<leonidas>can't fill out any forms at all
18:41<michael_>i mean individual checkbox e.g.
18:41<leonidas>anyone has got a clue?
18:41<lorenzod8n>michael_: you don't need more than the first cd..
18:41<michael_>lorenzo: thans i will try
18:42<michael_>but when i tried debian before x server wouldn? t start
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18:42<michael_>leonidas: still not solved
18:42<lorenzod8n>michael_: the first cd will give you a base system.
18:43<lorenzod8n>then it is up to you what other things you need..
18:43<leonidas>nop. I haven't got a clue on how to resolve this?
18:43<lorenzod8n>Most of my friends find all the packages they need on the first 3 cds.
18:43<michael_>ok, so i have to update x-server by apt!
18:44<michael_>leonidas: maybe remove java
18:44<lorenzod8n>X as well as basic Gnome (IIRC) should be on Cd 1.
18:44<lorenzod8n>I dont' use Gnome, so I'm not sure.
18:44<michael_>then install gnash and see if xyou can fill forms?
18:45<lorenzod8n>leonidas: where did you get the java plugin from?
18:45<lorenzod8n>Is it from the debian repos, or somewhere else?
18:45<michael_>you mean x is on cd1
18:45<leonidas>my synaptic software apple is gone as well
18:46<michael_>use kpackage
18:46<lorenzod8n>michael: I think so. Normally I just use the minimal install CD, and download the rest.
18:46<dli>why not a DVD? if you don't have net for installation
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18:46<leonidas>I think I have srewed up my system big time
18:47<lorenzod8n>leonidas: don't worry you can always recover.
18:47<andis>hi all
18:47<michael_>i quess the reson for it wasnt work at all was that i wasnt able to install graphic driver because of missing c and c++ or so packages
18:47<lorenzod8n>what was the last thing you did before the system became unstable.
18:48<michael_>graka is nvidia 8500
18:48<michael_>passive
18:48<leonidas>I added a line in my sources.list
18:48<leonidas>I think that is where I was wrong
18:48<lorenzod8n>leonidas: what line was that?
18:48<michael_>without internet plugged in no chance to install
18:49<leonidas>deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib
18:49<leonidas> that one
18:49<leonidas>it changed my system completly
18:49<lorenzod8n>michael_: As I said earlier, if you get the first 3-5 CDs, you are likely to have every package you need.
18:50<lorenzod8n>leonidas: that is debian testing. What did you do after adding that line?
18:50<michael_>lorenzo: i will make another try
18:50<leonidas>it upgraded my system
18:50<michael_>leonidas:thats good
18:50<leonidas>and then the all thing changed
18:51<leonidas>well not really because now it is very unstable ie; epiphany
18:51<lorenzod8n>leonidas: That's the thing, lenny is not yet released.
18:51<leonidas>then, I cant find the synaptic as well
18:51<lorenzod8n>There are no guarantees about stability.
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18:52<leonidas>well I didn't know but I needed to install adobeflashplugin and i found it there
18:52<lorenzod8n>leonidas: it may be that synaptic got removed. Did you read the list of changes?
18:52<lorenzod8n>You can get flash plugin in etch as well.
18:52<leonidas>well not really because I didnt what I was doing
18:52<michael_>i had similar probs by updating
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18:52<leonidas>being a newbie and all
18:52<leonidas>it was just for the adobepackage
18:53<leonidas>that i choose lenny
18:53<leonidas>well I have learnt something :)
18:53<lorenzod8n>leonidas: I was going to say that. Part of your learning process.
18:54<michael_>better to make backup first with partimage in "init3"!
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18:54<lorenzod8n>You wouldn't actually have needed to upgrade the entire system to get a single package..
18:54<leonidas>well yes, I think i need a little break before I reinstall my system again :)
18:55<lorenzod8n>leonidas: flashplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree are in etch..
18:55<Jumpyshoes>whenever i turn on my computer, it directly goes to the gnome login. is there any way to make it start up to the console and make it so the GUI only comes up if i tell it to?
18:55<leonidas>well I did try that way but obviously there was a bug with the repos
18:55<michael_>before init3 yiu have to umount the partition e.g. sda1 or so...
18:55<lorenzod8n>Jumpyshoes: update-rc.d -f gdm remove
18:56<lorenzod8n>.. as root
18:56<Jumpyshoes>k
18:56<michael_>solution! for removing update!
18:56<lorenzod8n>Jumpyshoes: then to start the GUI: startx
18:56<michael_>good idea lorenzo
18:57<Jumpyshoes>yea
18:57<Jumpyshoes>it seems to be working
18:57<Jumpyshoes>thanks
18:57<lorenzod8n>leonidas: what was the actual bug with the repos?
18:58<michael_>sorry ! solution for leonidas update prob?
18:58<lorenzod8n>michael_: the problem is downgrading is not as simple as upgrading.
18:59<lorenzod8n>He *could* remove the lenny line from sources.list, update and start downgrading package by package.
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18:59<lorenzod8n>It would be a heck of a learning experience, but you may be an old man before you are done!
18:59<michael_>for sure, because the change of the whole sys
19:00<michael_>i go bye
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19:02<michael>wieder da
19:03<michael>sorry
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19:04<Guest1257>had a prob with download
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19:04<leonidas>my PC is completly out of it>
19:04<leonidas>had to reboot. It didnt the new kernel
19:05<Guest1257>my nick changed
19:05<Guest1257>shit
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19:05<Maulkin>Guest1257: What's the problem?
19:05<xayon>Hi there. Is there any way to perform a lenny installation with a usb pen?
19:06<dli>xayon, yes, standard way
19:06<lorenzod8n>xayon: should be the same as doing a etch with pen.
19:06<Guest1257>hello lorenzo
19:06<Guest1257>was away
19:07<xayon>Well, etch has a usb-install image, supose I'd have to google a bit more, sorry ;)
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19:07<Guest1257>Maulkin i had to restart PC
19:08<Guest1257>...away for a min
19:08<dli>xayon, debian installation menu contains instructions for usb
19:09<xayon>dli> Isn't that for installing on a usb drive?
19:10<dli>xayon, read "choose your media"
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19:12<dli>xayon, http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst
19:13<infinitycircuit>i have a fresh install of sid and when i try to run iceweasel it gives me the error
19:13<dli>xayon, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
19:13<infinitycircuit>"/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Sybmol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking"
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19:14<lorenzod8n>infinitycircuit: I see the same thing.
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19:14<infinitycircuit>yes i see a bug report was filed against it three days ago
19:14<lorenzod8n>But iceweasel still works.
19:14<lorenzod8n>Also, I use opera more than iceweasel..
19:15<xayon>dli, well, thanks, I've seen it before, but understood something else :$
19:15<infinitycircuit>ah yes i see now i just wasn't used to dwm so i was looking in the wrong place for the window...sorry
19:15<Guest1257>test
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19:18<michael_>test
19:19<michael_>it works
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19:20<doze>bored....
19:20<michael_>lorenzo thanks that you and the others were so king
19:21<michael_>i need some pause
19:22<michael_>whish you good night/day and merry christmas
19:23<doze>how your christmas
19:23<michael_>..must take some sleep
19:23<michael_>doze: as usual
19:24<xayon>fuck, I've lost my pen lol...
19:24<michael_>family visitations
19:24<michael_>under the christmas tree...:-)?
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19:24<michael_>..i am frightfully tired...
19:25<doze>hurm...
19:25<doze>im boring
19:25<doze>lol
19:26<michael_>...no its not because of you
19:27<michael_>...the inner watch is asking fos some sllep
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19:28<michael_>...stay as you are!
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19:28<michael_>...bye to all
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19:39<iisjmii>I told somebody about bugsquashing, the entiry conversation he thought I was talking about birdwatching
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19:40<andis>hi all, I have problem with wake-on-lan on etch. Can somebody help?
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19:40<iisjmii>what is your problem?
19:41<andis>I shut down linux with shutdown -h now and after that I cannot wake up pc
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19:42<iisjmii>hmm
19:42<andis>othervise I can wake up if I push the power button for 5 sec during bootup
19:43<andis>it seems that somehow debian switch off wol of my network card during halt
19:44<andis>ethtool et0 shows "wol g" but after system shutdown the wake on lan does not work
19:44<andis>so? :-)
19:45<iisjmii>can you maybe disable the closing of your network card in /etc/rc6.d ?
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19:45<andis>wow! What line should be #marked out?
19:46<iisjmii>let me take a look, one moment please
19:46<andis>ok, thanks
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19:48<kevin`away>I don't know what I did wrong, but can someone help me out with this? http://pastebin.ca/832135
19:49<iisjmii>Do you have a file /etc/rc6.d/Sxxnetorking (xx is some number
19:52<andis>oh, sorry I've just gave up after 3 days try, so I deleted etch. But I will reinstall now and will look for this file. What should I search in this Sxxnetworking file?
19:54<iisjmii>Well you could try and disable the whole file...to do this substract the two numbers with 100 and change the S into a K...for example your file is probaly could S35networking....name is K65networking
19:54<iisjmii>I hope it helps
19:54<iisjmii>*could = called
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19:55<Trecky>kevin`away: i believe this is a known bug
19:56<kevind23>I don't even remember getting the nspluginwrapper package, I thought I had to compile it or something.. at any rate I can't use apt until it's fixed so I can't just remove it
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19:57<andis>iisjmii: OK, I'll try and will come back with the result. Thanks!
19:57<kevind23>Trecky: is there any solution?
19:58<Trecky>just in time? no
19:58<iisjmii>np, I must go to bed now, I prommied some-one too freeze myself to death by walking on a lake with him ;-)
19:59<kevind23>Well how do I get apt to work again..
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20:00<andis>:-)
20:00<iisjmii>quit
20:00<RichiH>what is the command that creates the initial menu.lst when you install debian?
20:00<iisjmii>sorry forgot the /
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20:01<RichiH>the autodetection magic, i mean
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20:19<RichiH>update-grub
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20:39<fabio>Any one have the pakage of kiba-dock .deb????
20:39<fabio>i cant find
20:39<fabio>even in google
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20:41<fabio>Any one have the pakage of kiba-dock .deb????
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20:41<axan>hi
20:41<fabio>hello
20:41<fabio>u have?
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20:45<simonrvn>fabio: packages.debian.org else do a search like this ".deb kiba dock" or "package kiba dock"
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20:48<Trecky>fabio: did you try out http://www.kiba-dock.org ?
20:48<simonrvn>doh!
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20:50<gotti>hi
20:50<Trecky>hi gotti
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20:51<Axan>I need confirmation on how to use CVS for a particular case: I want to definetly destroy a directory on my CVS repository (to free space on server); wich command am I supposed to use ? cvsadmin -b ? cvsadmin -o ?
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21:04<Staz>Where does the virtual console type get set?
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21:06<mike__>A working link to Lenny iso?
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21:08<path>!iso
21:08<dpkg>i guess iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image", or a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660
21:08<path>!isolenny
21:08<path>!lennyiso
21:08<path>!lenny
21:08<dpkg>from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
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21:20<fabio>i cant instal kiba dock
21:20<fabio>it says make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
21:22<Jumpyshoes>is there any irc client for debian besides irssi?
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21:23<fabio>i cant install kiba dock i did ./autogen.sh make an i tryed to instal sudo make install and appears this make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
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21:25<fabio>i cant install kiba dock i did ./autogen.sh make an i tryed to instal sudo make install and appears this make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
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21:39<chester_martins>Hi everybody
21:39<chester_martins>i'm portuguese
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21:40<fenix>oi
21:41<chester_martins>i'm in a project that consist at create a Debian distro to Portuguese Schools (for now, later for more countries)...is anyone interested to contribute designing an KDE theme and icon theme packge to EDUX project?
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21:41<chester_martins>sorry my bad english :p
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21:43<fenix>not english
21:43<fenix>rs
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21:52<fabio>boas
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21:52<fabio>chester_martins
21:52<bernardo>hello...
21:52<fabio>sou portugues tambem
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21:53<bernardo>I'm not...
21:53<fabio>lol
21:53<bernardo>mas eu falo portugues
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21:54<bernardo>fabio: Where are you from?
21:55<fabio>from portugal friend
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21:56<chester_martins>but anyone is interested in project?
21:57<bernardo>chester_martins: What project??
21:57<bernardo>fabio: I figured...but where exactly?
21:57<kevind23>I'll ask again, apt is giving me this error [http://pastebin.ca/832135], someone said it was a known bug; is there any solution to this, and if not how do I make apt work again?
21:57<fabio>from porto
21:57<chester_martins>provisory website ---> www.edux.pt.vu
21:57<bernardo>fabio: nice...
21:58<fabio>lol
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21:58<bernardo>chester_martins: It seems very interesting...
21:59<bernardo>chester_martins: I might be interested...
21:59<chester_martins>we have contacts of one Institute and one University
21:59<chester_martins>really?
21:59<chester_martins>do you know "a lot" of linux?
22:00<chester_martins>we need people
22:00<bernardo>chester_martins: not "a lot" I think...
22:00<chester_martins>if you are intersting is good
22:00<chester_martins>pvt ok?
22:00<bernardo>chester_martins: but I have very good programming skills...
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22:01<bernardo>chester_martins: I'm doing my masters degree in computer science...
22:01<chester_martins>excellent :D
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22:01<bernardo>chester_martins: eu tambem falo portugues :)
22:01<chester_martins>lol
22:01<chester_martins>ok ;)
22:02<bernardo>chester_martins: I'm from Brasil
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22:02<dli>bernardo, what do you program?
22:03<dani>hai
22:03<bernardo>chester_martins: so... tell me a little bit more about this project...do you guys have something already?
22:04<bernardo>dli: Well...what exactly do you mean? the language that I most use?
22:04<chester_martins>well
22:04|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has joined #debian
22:04<chester_martins>i'm working with a programmer
22:04<chester_martins>we were a little stoped at this time
22:04<chester_martins>christmas
22:04<dli>bernardo, any open source project?
22:05<bernardo>chester_martins: and.....
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22:05<chester_martins>we will resume tommorrow
22:05<dli>chester_martins, no a true geek is online in christmas or not
22:05|-|christopher [~christoph@adsl-154-175-133.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
22:05<christopher>hello?
22:05<bernardo>chester_martins: I can see from the web site that this is a very recent project....right?
22:06<christopher>is anyone on here except me?
22:06<chester_martins>we have objectives, and we have a repository (and software) at constructing
22:06<chester_martins>yeah
22:06<chester_martins>the project is recent
22:06<dli>!tell christopher about ask
22:06<chester_martins>has 1 month
22:06<bernardo>dli: Well, I'm not involved in anything at the moment... :)
22:07<christopher>if anyone can help, i have a common problem that has me pulling my hair out
22:07<dli>!ask
22:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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22:07<christopher>!ask
22:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
22:07<bernardo>chester_martins: I see...
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22:08<christopher>basically, its the broadcom 43xx wireless card. ive got it up and running on ubuntu and opensuse, but for some reason ive gone from every angle, read every tutorial i can, everything. still no avail
22:08<chester_martins>bernardo, fabio will develop a website with joomla
22:08<ce______________>dani
22:08<bernardo>chester_martins: but what are your expectations about this project? I mean...what you guys want to change in Debian exactly?
22:08<chester_martins>is our first priority
22:09<bernardo>chester_martins: more user friendly?
22:10<bernardo>chester_martins: hummm...
22:10<christopher>anyone?
22:10<chester_martins>sorry
22:10<chester_martins>bernardo
22:10<chester_martins>just a moment
22:10<chester_martins>i will create a channel
22:11<chester_martins>and we discuss it there ok?
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22:11<bernardo>chester_martins: sure
22:11<dli>christopher, ubuntu
22:11<dli>!tell christopher about ubuntu
22:11<bernardo>chester_martins: what time is it in portugal now? :)
22:12<fabio>is 3:12
22:12<fabio>am
22:12<chester_martins>03:13
22:12<chester_martins>:p
22:13<bernardo>fabio: oww....its kinda late :)
22:13<chester_martins>yeah
22:13<chester_martins>little
22:13<fabio>for me no
22:13<fabio>i only go to bed at 8 o clock
22:13<fabio>muhahaha
22:13<fabio>:)
22:13<bernardo>fabio: you work on the night shift? heehe
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22:14<fabio>bernardo: i like more work in the night
22:14<fabio>no one can disturb me
22:14<bernardo>chester_martins: so...is the channel open already?
22:15<bernardo>fabio: Yeah....makes sense... :)
22:15<chester_martins>no
22:15<chester_martins>just a moment
22:15<fabio>bernardo is ungry to start
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22:16[~]fabio kidding with bernardo
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22:16<bernardo>fabio: so...what do you do there? study? work?
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22:17<bernardo>:P
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22:17<bernardo>tthis face is kinda gay, sorry
22:17<fabio>bernardo just surfing arrownd
22:18<fabio>i work with computers
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22:18<fabio>computers is my life
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22:20<bernardo>fabio: I see... but do you program?
22:20<chester_martins>bernardo
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22:21<chester_martins>i don't know how register a channel at this Server
22:21<chester_martins>talk in pct ok?
22:21<chester_martins>lol
22:21<chester_martins>pvt
22:21<bernardo>chester_martins: yeap
22:21<fabio>chester
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22:33<Mel>i just installed Debian 4.0. It setup all my hardware automatically, but Id like to adjust the refresh rate (monitor) in Xwindows. What is the easiest way to do this?
22:34<niru>hi Mel
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22:41<mtretin>Anyone have an idea as to why my cdrom drive doesn't get a coresponding device in /dev -- even though everything worked fine during the install?
22:42<dli>mtretin, "modprobe ide-cd"
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22:47<mtretin>dli: It still tells me that /dev/hdb doesn't exist - do I have to restart udev or something?
22:48<dli>mtretin, lsmod|grep ide-cd
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22:49<mtretin>dli: nothing for ide-cd but, ide_cd is loaded
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22:49<dli>mtretin, have a look in /proc/ide
22:50<mtretin>cat /proc/ide/drivers gives "ide-cdrom version 4.61"
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22:51<dli>mtretin, do you have a device under /proc/ide also?
22:51<mtretin>nope
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22:52<dli>mtretin, is it ide-cd? have a look in /sys/block/
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22:53<mtretin>dli: i see directories for loop[0-7], ram[0-15], and sda
22:53<istoc>Are the debian forums still down?
22:53<dli>mtretin, so, you don't have sda yet
22:54<dli>mtretin, sorry, I'm cd-rom
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22:55<mtretin>dli: no, the thing is that it's a brand new laptop (christmas present) and I'm really not sure all bout the hardware setup on it, but I dont' know enough about the /sys and /proc filesystems to figure out what I'm working with
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22:56<dli>mtretin, try: rmmod ide-cd;modprobe ide-cd
22:56<dli>mtretin, and: dmesg|tail
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23:00<mtretin>dli: dmesg doesn't spit anythong except some ACPI stuff and a a few lines about the NIC module (tg3)
23:01<dli>mtretin, I guess it doesn't matter, still give it a try, with ide-cd loaded, modprobe ide-generic
23:01<mtretin>dli: unfortuatley I havent turned on bootlogd in /etc/defaults yet, if I do that, then reboot, do you think anything useful will appear there?
23:02<dli>mtretin, no need to reboot
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23:02<dli>mtretin, what's your kernel version? uname -r
23:03<mtretin>dli: 2.6.21-2-486
23:03<mtretin>dli: maybe a kernel upgrade? I installed from like a six month on netinst image
23:04<dli>mtretin, lspci
23:04<dli>mtretin, what's your chipset?
23:05<mtretin>dli: I have to install pciutils quickly... :-|
23:06<Goethe>Question clean debian install: apt-update, apt-grade, it goes updating a kernel, then it says: The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed, and gives some errors, etc. :(
23:06<bernardo>who is the channel owner?
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23:10<dli>Goethe, just allow it to upgrade the kernel, even for the same version (default is no), and reboot later when you can
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23:11<Goethe>how can i see a list of all my installed kernels?
23:12<dli>Goethe, easiest (for me), update-grub
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23:12<dli>Goethe, better: ls /boot
23:12<Goethe>there's a whole list of them :/
23:12<Fedor>hi folks. ive been trying to install debian today and for some reason the process keeps hanging at 99% during the file download phase. Ive used alt f4 to see the terminal, and what it says there is in-target: get:87 http://debian.osuosl.org etch/main whois 4.7.0 and it is only 49k and the cursor is below it and nothing happens (ive left it for an hour)
23:13<dli>Goethe, or "dpkg -l linux-image|grep ii"
23:13<Fedor>any ideas whats wrong? do the mirrors have a bad file?
23:14<Goethe>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-k7
23:14<Goethe>Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-k7
23:15<dli>Fedor, stable?
23:16<Fedor>yeah the stable net install.
23:17<dli>Fedor, very weird, I would try to get the file in place before it starts downloading, and see what happens
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23:18<dli>Fedor, very weird, or let the system to ignore "whois"
23:18<dli>Fedor, I had similar problems before, but forgot the solution.
23:18<dli>Fedor, try another mirror also
23:19<fabio>!pt
23:19<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:19<Fedor>im ashamed to say i tried 3 mirrors already, terrible waste of bw
23:19<Fedor>how can i make the system ignore the whois btw?
23:20<fabio>we search people to one project based on debian please enter here #edux
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23:22<dli>Fedor, kill the get process
23:22<dli>Fedor, the point is that stable should be stable
23:22<Fedor>i didnt realise i had any control over the install. just ctrl c in the alt f4 screen?
23:23<dli>Fedor, it's debian, everything open
23:24<dli>Fedor, not sure whether you can chroot and "apt-get -f install"
23:24<Fedor>will try
23:26<mtretin>dli: the output of lspci is strange because there is IDE, ISA(?), and SATA, but I think the chipset is 82801H (ICH8 Family) ?
23:26<Fedor>ctrl c made it go for a restart, oops
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23:26<mtretin>dli: on the last three or four computers I've had linux on there's usually just one IDE bridge
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23:27<dli>mtretin, are you sure the cd is enabled?
23:28<mtretin>dli: I don't even know how I would disable it... something in the BIOS?
23:29<dli>mtretin, is it a custom kernel?
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23:30<mtretin>dli: nope, debian stock
23:31<simonrvn>crap, i screwed up my console video...
23:31<dli>mtretin, I would suggest debian-live (with newer kernel)
23:31<dli>simonrvn, ati card?
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23:32<mtretin>dli: I'm gonna try 2.6.22 as well, but thank's very much for all the help
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23:45<sam_affable>hi
23:47<zobel>lo
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23:49<Woland>heil
23:49<zobel>na!
23:49<Woland>i have a trouble with my acer as5715z
23:50<Woland>with debian i386 it works fine
23:50<Woland>but on amd64 i have to disable acpi for stable work
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23:51<Woland>in other way laptop spontaneous powers down
23:51<Woland>is there another way to solve this problem?
23:51<Woland>i whant to use acpi
23:52<zobel>had you had a look into the logfiles?
23:53<Woland>it doesn't log anything
23:53<zobel>acpi usually logs
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23:53<sam_affable>hey is there no pidgin package for debian etch ?? aptitude search pidgin returns nothing
23:53<Woland>in dmesg?
23:55<zobel>Woland: in /var/log/syslog or acpi.log
23:56<zobel>sam_affable: zobel@lunar:~% apt-cache search pidgin
23:56<zobel>pidgin - graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X
23:56<zobel>pidgin-data - multi-protocol instant messaging client - data files
23:56<zobel>pidgin-dbg - Debugging symbols for Pidgin
23:56<zobel>pidgin-dev - multi-protocol instant messaging client - development files
23:56|-|zobel kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:56<Woland>zobel: syslog doesn't have acpi records
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23:56<Woland>zobel: syslog doesn't have acpi records
23:56<zobel>bad debhelper
23:56<Woland>znalo: i'll try to search in kern.log
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23:58<ramin>guys, I followed the guide here to install compiz
23:58<ramin>http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-compiz-in-debian.html
23:58<ramin>but whenever I start compiz, my screen freezes
23:58<sam_affable>zobel: i tried tht too ..but same returns nothing
23:59<seanius>ramin: etch/lenny/sid?
23:59<ramin>etch
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23:59<zobel>sam_affable: ah... use gaim
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