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---Logopened Sun Dec 30 00:00:57 2007
00:01<bernardo>this UFC judges are kidding
00:01<bernardo>this is bullshit
00:02<Cackette>hey chealer
00:02<Cackette>something is being weird
00:02<Cackette>i do apt-get install alsa, and it doenst do much
00:02<bjb>Cackette - did you get your kde back?
00:02<Cackette>yea
00:02<bjb>yay
00:03<Cackette>http://pastebin.org/13422
00:03<bjb>Cackette - I thought you said you already had alsa - did you get alsa-mixer?
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00:03<Cackette>i thought i had it, but apparently not
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00:04<bjb>Cackette, the pastebin says you have alsa (which has been renamed to alsa-base) so it didn't need to install it
00:04<Cackette>typing alsa-mixer doesnt work
00:04<Cackette>seperate package?
00:04<bjb>Cackette, let me introduce you to apt-cache search
00:04<mynullvoid>hello all
00:04<chealer>Cackette: ...so you already have alsa.
00:04<Cackette>i know how to use it
00:04<bjb>apt-cache search string will get you all the packages with "string" in the name or description
00:05<bjb>ok ....
00:05<chealer>Cackette: it's "alsamixer"; no dash.
00:05<bjb>so to find alsamixer, you could have: apt-cache search alsa | grep mixer
00:05<bjb>for instance.
00:05<Cackette>ok, so what do i do
00:05<Cackette>i have alsamixer and alsa
00:05<Cackette>but no sound
00:06<bjb>we've mentioned alsa mixer and hinted it might help get you sound. You could read the alsa mixer docs ...
00:06<bjb>run the program, even
00:06<Cackette>doesnt show much
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00:07<bjb>keep reading
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00:07<gb>Hi
00:07<Cackette>i dont think my sound card shows up in alsaconf
00:08<Cackette>unless diamond = c-media
00:09<gb>What are the bot commands?
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00:10<Cackette>this isnt working =/
00:12<Cackette>any advice?
00:13<chealer>Cackette: did sound already work?
00:13<Cackette>i dont remember if it worked on this install or only on the 1st one
00:13<chealer>Cackette: what's the difference between these installs?
00:14<Cackette>old worked, new doesnt
00:14<chealer>Cackette: why did you do a new install?
00:14<Cackette>some stuff was being screwy
00:15<chealer>Cackette: what's the soundcard's chipset?
00:15<Cackette>uh
00:15<Cackette>how would i check
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00:16<chealer>Cackette: you can try # discover sound
00:16<Cackette>C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738
00:16<Cackette>but i dont know if thats actually it
00:16<Cackette>since my sound card is made by Diamond Multimedia
00:16<chealer>Cackette: why wouldn't it use that chipset?
00:17<Cackette>dunno
00:17<Cackette>http://www.diamondmm.com/XS71.php is the card
00:17<chealer>Cackette: well...
00:17<Cackette>alsaconf
00:17<Cackette>oopps
00:17<chealer>Cackette: how do you know that sound doesn't work?
00:17<Cackette>tried to play internet radio
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00:18<chealer>Cackette: how?
00:18<Cackette>and youtube
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00:20<cyborg>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5VtKqu8ji8&feature=bzb302
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00:20<Cackette>so ionno whats up
00:22<Cackette>any ideas?
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00:23<chealer>Cackette: how did you try to play internet radio?
00:23<Cackette>chealer?
00:23<Cackette>thru rhythmbox
00:23<chealer>Cackette: and what happened?
00:23<Cackette>but i also tried watching youtube thru iceweasel, no sound
00:23<Cackette>no sound
00:23<Cackette>it said it was playing
00:23<chealer>Cackette: did you try KDE's sound test?
00:23<Cackette>wheres that
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00:24<chealer>Cackette: in the control center
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00:24<Cackette>under what
00:24<chealer>Cackette: sound and multimedia
00:25<Cackette>system notifications, play a sound?
00:25<Cackette>that didnt work
00:25<chealer>Cackette: no, sound system, test sound.
00:25<Cackette>nope
00:25<Cackette>no sound
00:26<chealer>Cackette: are you sure the sound isn't mute in Debian?
00:26<Cackette>no
00:26<Cackette>where would i look
00:27<chealer>Cackette: you could use kmix
00:27<Cackette>it says volume @ 0
00:27<Cackette>even if i move the slider
00:28<twb>Maybe it's muted
00:28<Cackette>aha, here we go
00:28<Cackette>http://pastebin.org/13423
00:30<chealer>Cackette: KDE is set to use ALSA, right?
00:30<Cackette>uh, how would i check
00:31<chealer>Cackette: in kcontrol's Sound system, Hardware tab, Select & Confiure your Audio Device
00:32<Cackette>it says autodetect
00:32<Cackette>but i tried ALSA and still no sound
00:32<chealer>maybe it's set to Autodetect, which will probably mean ALSA, but you can try setting to ALSA to be sure.
00:32<knewt>Cackette: what does cat /proc/asound/cards report?
00:32<twb>Just use alsamixer, it *must* be using alsa
00:32<Cackette>0 [CX8801 ]: CX88x - Conexant CX8801 Conexant CX8801 at 0xfb000000
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00:33<knewt>ok, so the kernel's picked up the card then at least
00:33<chealer>knewt: did you restarting arts (in the General tab, uncheck Enable the sound system, apply, then check and apply)?
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00:34<Cackette>is that intended for me, chealer
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00:35<chealer>Cackette: oops...yes
00:35<chealer>sorry knewt
00:35<Cackette>pops up w/ the pastebin message after i start it back up
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00:37<chealer>knewt: do you really think that's the card? discover sound outputted "C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738".
00:37<Cackette>me again?
00:38<Cackette>Unknown or unsupported device `outputted'
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00:38<chealer>Cackette: no. I'm asking help. does /proc/asound/cards's content make you think about your sound card?
00:39<Cackette>oh
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00:40<Cackette>thats the card
00:40<Cackette>the chipset says CM8768 though
00:41<chealer>Cackette: how do you know that's the card?
00:41<Cackette>read it off the chipset of the sound card
00:41<knewt>chealer: hmm, good point. conexant cx8801 sounds very much like a tv card or something such. Cackette: do you have a tv tuner in the box?
00:41<chealer>you red what?
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00:42<Cackette>the actual sound card in the box
00:42<Cackette>on the little chip on it, it says CM8768
00:42<chealer>Cackette: yeah but what makes you think that CX88x - Conexant CX8801 is your card?
00:43<Cackette>whered you get connecant
00:43<Cackette>i thought it said c-media electornics inc cm8738
00:43<chealer>Cackette: you wrote that was the content of your /proc/asound/cards
00:43<Cackette>it says connexant on the chip on my tuner card
00:43<Co_cr>jembat
00:44<kop>chealer : Maybe there's more than one? lspci?
00:44<knewt>ok, so the answer to my question was 'yes' then. hmm
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00:44<knewt>Cackette: is the conexant line the only one you get from asound/cards ?
00:44<chealer>kop: maybe, but discover sound only showed one. I think knewt is on the right track.
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00:45<Cackette>htpc:/home/david# cat /proc/asound/cards0 [CX8801 ]: CX88x - Conexant CX8801 Conexant CX8801 at 0xfb000000
00:45<Cackette>thats all of it
00:45<kop>chealer : I'm just back-seat driving. I've not been paying attention. Sorry.
00:45<chealer>kop: no problem
00:45<knewt>ok, so in that case there's no loaded alsa driver for the c-media card
00:46<Cackette>=o
00:46<Cackette>bad alsa
00:46<knewt>Cackette: does the c-media show up in lspci?
00:46<Cackette>yeah
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00:47<Cackette>01:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
00:47<knewt>if you do lspci -n what is the NNNN:NNNN shown for the 01:09.0 line?
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00:48<Cackette>13f6:0111
00:48<knewt>ok, if you do lsmod does cmipci show up in it?
00:49<Cackette>snd_cmipci?
00:49<Cackette>no cmipci
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00:52<Cackette>is that bad?
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00:53<knewt>Cackette: ok, first things, in your /lib/modules/<whatever>/kernel/sound/pci is there a snd-cmipci.ko ?
00:54<Cackette>whats <whatever> supposed to be
00:54<chealer>Cackette: I don't think so.
00:55<chealer>knewt: he meant that snd_cmipci is already loaded.
00:55<Cackette>yes, its there
00:55<knewt>oh, right
00:56<knewt>this is what happens when i'm awake at 6am still :)
00:56<Cackette>lol
00:56<Cackette>only 9:55pm here
00:57<chealer>Cackette: what happens when you run alsaconf?
00:57<Cackette>it just runs
00:57<knewt>what does cat /proc/asound/modules say?
00:58<Cackette> 0 cx88_alsa
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00:59<Cackette>is that not the c-media
01:00<chealer>Cackette: it doesn't prompt you?
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01:00<Cackette>no
01:01<chealer>Cackette: which Debian suite do you use?
01:01<Cackette>suite?
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01:01<twb>Cackette: Etch (4.0 / stable), Lenny (testing) or Sid (unstable)?
01:02<Cackette>etch
01:02<chealer>Cackette: and alsaconf has no output?
01:03<Cackette>it asks a bunch of questions
01:03<Cackette>and i pick c-media and press enter a couple times
01:03<chealer>Cackette: didn't you just write that it didn't prompt you?
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01:03<Cackette>i thought you mean cat /proc...
01:04<chealer>Cackette: oh...
01:04<chealer>anyway, I want more details about the prompts
01:04<Cackette>fine, i'll do step-by-step
01:05<knewt>this can wait till you've done Cackette's stuff, but does ls -l /sys/bus/pci/drivers/C-Media\ PCI/ shown any device links?
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01:06<Cackette>i hit OK, it unloads a bunch of sound stuff, 3 following cards are found (i select c-media), ok, configuring snd_cmipci (Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound?), yes (default), configured, ok, back to commandline
01:07<chealer>Cackette: what's the output?
01:07<Cackette>http://pastebin.org/13425 for knewt
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01:12<Cackette>=/
01:12<chealer>Cackette: what's alsaconf's output?
01:13<Cackette>Now ALSA is ready to use. For adjustment of volumes, use your favorite mixer. Have a lot of fun!
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01:15<knewt>Cackette: what does /etc/modprobe.d/sound contain?
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01:16<Cackette>alias snd-card-0 snd-cmipci options snd-cmipci index=0
01:16<knewt>what we have here is the pci device is visibile, the driver is loaded, but for some reason the device isn't bound to the driver. which is wierd
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01:18<Number9>those kernel messages we see flashing by when the puter boots--how do you view them again once the puter is up and running?
01:18<kos>hi
01:18<Alam_Debian>dmesg? /var/log/kernel.log?
01:19<Number9>dmesg doesnt seem to QUITE give the exact same info Alam_Debian
01:20<Alam_Debian>I know, I just shotting into the wind here
01:21<Cackette>any ideas knewt?
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01:22<kop>Number9 : You also look in /var/log/messages. That's also not quite the same. If you want a real record you use a serial port, use a serial console, and manage via another computer.
01:23<gsimmons>Number9: You'd probably want to enable bootlogd, to have these messages logged to /var/log/boot.
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01:23<kop>gsimmons : Interesting. I didn't know.
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01:24<chealer>Cackette: you could always try OSS instead (with cmipci instead of snd_cmipci)
01:24<Cackette>how would i do that
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01:25<chealer>Cackette: remove the ALSA module, load the OSS one, then adjust arts
01:25<Cackette>explain?
01:26<Number9>kop: how do you enable bootlogd--and is it ok to just leave it enabled?
01:26<chealer>Cackette: which part?
01:26<istoc>Hi, anyone have any idea why when I run ethtool on an unused interface it says no data available? Thanks.
01:26<gsimmons>!tell Number9 -about bootlogd
01:26<Cackette>how to remove, load, and adjust
01:26<Cackette>lol
01:27<chealer>Cackette: to remove, rmmod. to load, modprobe. to adjust, make sure arts is set to OSS or maybe autodetect and restart it.
01:27<Number9>ty gsimmons
01:27<knewt>Cackette: something else i'd like to check, although i'm starting to get low on ideas here :/ could you modinfo snd-cmipci for me and pastebin the output please
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01:28<Cackette>knewt: http://pastebin.org/13427
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01:32<mynullvoid>anyone know where I can refer to so that I can create a desktop shortcut for my enlightenment e17?
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01:37<gurpreet>do 3 DVDs of etch contains all the packages debian provides or should i use web repositories too? i don't wanna update my repos because this will make my 3 etch DVDs useless, but if there are other packages too on the debian mirrors than provided on the DVDs then i am willing to do that.
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01:38<bjb>gurpreet, do you want stable release or some other one (like unstable, testing ...)?
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01:38<knewt>Cackette: hmm, ok, i'm out of thoughts i'm afraid. we've got a device that's being picked up by lspci. we've got the driver loaded. the driver has the aliases in place to pick up the pci device. but there's no binding in place, and the driver really doesn't have any noticeable debug prints into the syslog. could try force-binding the device into the driver i suppose, but don't really see why it would work
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01:39<knewt>Cackette: hmm, ok, i'm out of thoughts i'm afraid. we've got a device that's being picked up by lspci. we've got the driver loaded. the driver has the aliases in place to pick up the pci device. but there's no binding in place, and the driver really doesn't have any noticeable debug prints into the syslog. could try force-binding the device into the driver i suppose, but don't really see why it would work
01:39<bjb>gurpreet, for stable, it might be reasonable to try to stick to CDs - for unstable, testing etc you want the network updates
01:39<gurpreet>bjb, testing will more good but because i already have downloaded 3 dvds of etch i won't wanna go to testing coz doning this will make my dvds useless
01:39<Cackette>that was weird, it just rebooted
01:39<gurpreet>doing*
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01:39<bjb>gurpreet - you can give them to the next person - and they can hand them on ... they won't be useless :-)
01:40<gurpreet>bjb, but if web contains more packages than on dvds then i am willing to use web mirrors
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01:40<gurpreet>bjb, thats good idea
01:40<bjb>gurpreet, web contains more up-to-date packages, ...
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01:40<bjb>gurpreet, as time goes by, there will be more new packages as well
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01:40<FRUTY_16>ng
01:41<gurpreet>bjb, no i don't want up to date ones, i am concerned about new ones, like dvds don't have fluxbox themes etc, so i was wondering if i can have them if i use web repos
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01:42<bjb>gurpreet, the cds contain only debian release packages from main (I think) - on web there are also non-free and contrib packages.
01:42<bjb>gurpreet, also, there are even other repositories that are not hosted by Debian - eg, the marillat multi-media repository
01:43<gurpreet>bjb, really? how can i confirm that dvds only have main packages?
01:43<southernC>they only have main packages
01:43<bjb>gurpreet, but, you can probably make do with the DVDs if you aren't fussy
01:44<bjb>personally, I'd want the updates
01:44<gurpreet>bjb, i was happy with dvds but now i am noticing that there are several packages missing, like on my gentoo system i have access to fluxbox themes packages and gkrellm themes package, these are not here on the etch dvds
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01:44<southernC>there really arent that many with the standard system from the etch 4.0 release from august
01:45<blarson>I strongly recomend you at least have the security updates.
01:46<gurpreet>blarson, but once i update my list, aptitude will start downloading packages instead of pulling them from dvds, so dvds will go useless (for me)
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01:47<bjb>gurpreet, if you stick with stable, then there won't be many updates (relatively speaking) (as southernC said).
01:47<blarson>gurpreet: No, if you have the DVD's listed first in your sources.list it will use them except where the package has been updated.
01:47<bjb>gurpreet, but if you want testing, then it is highly advised to stay up to date on all the packages and your DVDs will go out of date quickly.
01:47<Number9>ok now i have another question about booting---all those scripts in /etc/init.d/ are run at boot? even if some of them are from a previous install on another quite different computer?
01:48<gurpreet>bjb, blarson is there any good guide regaring switching from stable to testing?
01:48<gurpreet>regarding*
01:48<blarson>gurpreet: besides, security.debian.org main/updates only has updated packages.
01:48<gurpreet>i've decided i wanna update to testing
01:49<blarson>gurpreet: If you care more about new software than stability, you can try testing or unstable.
01:49<bjb>gurpreet: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to refer to new area, then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. Then fix what's broken :-) Sometimes nothing breaks.
01:49<gurpreet>i can't live with just main packages
01:50<blarson>gurpreet: there are contrib and non-free for etch (and sarge, ...)
01:50<bjb>gurpreet, I guess the blank DVDs are not expensive - you are attached to the amount of time it took to download them. If you want testing or unstable, get used to downloading constantly :-)
01:50<Number9>gurpreet: you might want to dual boot between stable and unstable/testing----stable is---well lots more stable
01:50<gurpreet>Number9, you mean testing crashes a lot?
01:50<Number9>nope not crashes
01:51<bjb>gurpreet, or if you have a lot of memory and disk - run stable as a host and run unstable or testing under VirtualBox
01:51<Number9>just nasty litlle things like x wont start occasionally
01:51<gurpreet>bjb, that will be not much useful, i will have to download packages for testing anyway
01:51<bjb>gurpreet, when you update (which you do a lot with testing/unstable) you get to be front line for all the bugs
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01:51<bjb>gurpreet, but it's worth it :-)
01:52[~]bjb runs unstable
01:52<Number9>the whole system doesnt refuse to boot gurpreet---just the parts that break occasionally
01:52<gurpreet>bjb, i thought testing don't have critical bugs, thats what is unstable for
01:53[~]bjb first started using Debian just as a release came out and suffered two months before her system was fixed up again.
01:53<Number9>whats that backports thing? where you can get sources for some things from tseting/unstable to run on stable?
01:53<bjb>gurpreet, testing is where they try to remove all the bugs. No new features go in - but occasionally a "bugfix" breaks things
01:55<gurpreet>bjb, i think i can survive with testing, please refer me to a guide for upgrading to testing, i dont even know what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list
01:55<bjb>Number9, you mean http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?
01:55<southernC>anyone know anything about a bug in grub where running a raid it says a device doesnt exist
01:55<southernC>?
01:55<southernC>I see it on google but not sure of a patch ?
01:55<Number9>bjb: yes thats it
01:56<blarson>actually, new features go in unstable, and migrate to testing when they don't have any known release-critical bugs and don't break other things in testing.
01:56<bjb>gurpreet, I don't know of one off-hand ... try googling for "debian stable testing dist-upgrade"?
01:56<gurpreet>bjb, yes, i will, stable seems bore to me now :)
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01:56<bjb>I always have trouble finding the list of mirrors on debian.org ...
01:57<Number9>gurpreet: what you were told about running another os in a vm works GREAT if you have a newer machine and at least 1 gig of ram
01:57<gurpreet>unstable will be too hot to handle, so i will marry testing
01:57<Cackette>whats the GUI thing like alsaconf that detects your video hardware
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01:57<Number9>i can run w2k on this almost as fast as if it werer installed
01:57<Number9>*were
01:57<gurpreet>Number9, i've exactly 1 gig RAM on a P4 HT 3 GHz
01:57<Number9>oh hell dude you got plenty
01:58<Cackette>i have 2GB on this AMD 3000+
01:58<gurpreet>Number9, but running two versions will be chaotic and will lead to extra downloads for both
01:58<Number9>this is a centrino duo with 2 gigs ram but only 1.66ghz clock speed
01:58<bjb>There we go: debian.org, at left choose "Getting Debian", on that page choose mirrors (near top), then "list of mirrors"
01:58<bjb>I keep choosing the things under the "Getting Debian" and missing the link chain to the list of mirrors
01:58<gurpreet>bjb, wow, thats really a lot of help. thanks
01:59<bjb>gurpreet, choose a "secondary" mirror
01:59<gurpreet>bjb, copy
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02:00<bjb>gurpreet, now is a good time to upgrade - we aren't just about to go into a release cycle
02:00<Number9>gurpreet: if you DO run things in a vm tho--especially windows---be sure and not to just kill the window its running in--thats the same as just killing the power on a regular install--and you DONT want scandisk or chkdsk to run on a vm file
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02:00<gurpreet>Number9, yes, got it
02:01<bjb>gurpreet, in the freeze before a release, might be a good time, but right after a release is a really, really bad time to choose to do an upgrade <-- bitter experience
02:01<Number9>bitter---hee
02:01<Number9>sorry
02:01<bjb>s'okay
02:01<gurpreet>bjb, its confusing
02:01<bjb>just trying to get some benefit out of it
02:02<bjb>what's confusing gurpreet?
02:02<gurpreet>bjb, at time of release everything will be stable, so its good rather
02:02<bjb>gurpreet, just before a release, development is frozen
02:02<kos_hire5>привет всем
02:02<gurpreet>bjb, yes i know
02:02<Number9>can someone confirm for me about /etc/init.d/ ? does every script in that folder run at boot?
02:02<bjb>developers want to put in new features but they're not allowed - sometimes for months
02:02<gurpreet>bjb, only bug fixes are accepted
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02:02<bjb>gurpreet, right after release, then they dump in all the new stuff
02:02<chealer>Cackette: "GUI thing like alsaconf"? alsaconf is a TUI.
02:03<gurpreet>bjb, oh, now i got
02:03<bjb>gurpreet, I guess I'm referring to unstable -
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02:03<gurpreet>bjb, after realse testing will be upgraded to new stable and given a name, i read this in release notes
02:03<gurpreet>release*
02:03<bjb>gurpreet, but there is probably churn in testing as well (there's a new testing, or maybe none???)
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02:04<chealer>Number9: no, only those called in the runlevels entered.
02:04<gurpreet>bjb, if i upgrade to testing now, do i have to be careful at release time?
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02:04<bjb>gurpreet, yes, but if you're tracking testing, maybe you should change your sources.list to "stable" or the name of the new release for a month or two after the release is out
02:05<Number9>chealer: ok--but if you typically boot init 5 then all of them run?
02:05<gurpreet>bjb, ok, when stable will be released i will change my source.lst to point to stable
02:05<chealer>Number9: no, just the runlevels entered
02:05<bjb>gurpreet, just until you have time to deal with all the potential breakage
02:06<gurpreet>bjb, its risky business
02:07<Cackette>how come in my xorg.xonf theres tons of resolutions but i can only pick 800x600 and 640x480
02:07<bjb>chealer, Number9 - in Debian, on boot into every runlevel, scripts in /etc/rcS.d are run, then the scripts for the runlevel being entered (eg, /etc/rc2.d)
02:07<Number9>chealer: what ive done is ive dd'd a install that was originally on an amd sempron to this centrino duo--and things are trying to load at boot like powernow--which is only for amd processors--i am trying to clean up the crap from the old system
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02:08<chealer>Number9: you can just uninstall the packages which are no more useful.
02:09<gurpreet>bjb, why should i chose secondary mirror and not primary?
02:09<bjb>gurpreet, I mentioned to choose a secondary mirror - I take that back. I'm thinking of other kinds of servers. Sorry
02:09<chealer>Cackette: maybe because these were added after was started, or because X can't handle them
02:09<gurpreet>bjb, u wrote reply so fast
02:09<chealer>s/after was started/after X was started/
02:09<Number9>chealer: well they arent really packages--are they? they are kernel boot modules correct?
02:09<bjb>gurpreet, I wrote it before you asked, but you pressed enter before I did ...
02:09<Cackette>i did ctrl+alt+backspace
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02:09<bjb>I was just looking at the mirror page
02:09<Cackette>and still cant pick em
02:09<gurpreet>bjb, me too
02:09<chealer>Number9: no, they're scripts installed by packages.
02:10<Number9>chealer: ok thanks--you have been most helpful--you too bjb
02:10<chealer>Cackette: then the latter, unless your X log says otherwise
02:10<Cackette>X cant handle past 800x600?
02:11<Cackette>it was 1280x1024 on my PC monitor, but now its on the HDTV
02:11<chealer>Cackette: no, the other resolutions that doesn't show in kcontrol.
02:11<chealer>Cackette: or it can't handle them the way it's configured.
02:11<Cackette>any way to force a resolution?
02:12<bjb>Cackette, seems you need to reconfigure your X server: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and answer all the questions
02:12<Cackette>i did that, and selected new resolutions, and ctrl+alt+backspace
02:12<Cackette>but only 800x600 and 640x480 show up still
02:12<chealer>Cackette: no, the resolutions need to be set when X starts.
02:12<Cackette>so reboot?
02:12<Cackette>all the way
02:13<chealer>bjb: I think he rather needs to study the log.
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02:15<bjb>chealer, the Xorg.0.log?
02:15<chealer>bjb: yes
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02:16<bjb>ok ... guess I haven't been paying attention
02:16<Cackette>ok, i'm confused
02:16<chealer>bjb: well, he wrote "in my xorg.xonf theres tons of resolutions but i can only pick 800x600 and 640x480"
02:16<Cackette>i did ctrl+alt+backspace, no new resolutions show up
02:16<Cackette>i rebooted, no new resolutions
02:17<Cackette>i've ran 1920x1080 on this TV before thru a different PC
02:18<blarson>Cackette: Sounds like your video either doesn't have much memory or else X is convinced it dosn't have much memory.
02:18<blarson>Cackette: on such systems, you may be able to set fewer bits/pixel to get more resolution.
02:18<chealer>Cackette: rebooting won't help besided implying an X restart.
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02:19<Cackette>i have a nvidia 6600
02:19<Cackette>128MB
02:19<blarson>Cackette: some systems use main memory for video, and you configure hom much in bios.
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02:20<Cackette>AMD 3000+, 2GB DDR memory, nvidia 6600 128MB
02:20<Cackette>how can that be bad
02:20<blarson>Cackette: using which video driver? nv, non-free nvidia?
02:20<Cackette>nv
02:20<blarson>That worked fine on my old laptop, with 1600x1200 resolution.
02:21<Cackette>yeah
02:21<Cackette>this very same computer ran 1280x1024 on a comp monitor
02:21<Cackette>but moved to the TV, its stuck @ 800x600 or 640x480
02:21<blarson>tv-out or vga?
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02:22<Cackette>DVI->HDMI
02:22<Cackette>i can try changing it to s-video if you think that'd help
02:23<blarson>that should be able to handle a reasonable resolution, but I never used it.
02:23<Cackette>HDMI can handle 1920x1080
02:23<Cackette>i've tried it on my gaming rig
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02:23<Cackette>DVI -> HDMI on an 8800GTS
02:23<blarson>What did you confiugre your monitor in X?
02:23<Cackette>which setting
02:25<blarson>There's a setting for monitor. You may try to use manual selection rather than auto-detect.
02:25<Cackette>ok, how do i do that
02:25<blarson>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
02:26<blarson>It goes through a bunch of questions.
02:26<Cackette>weird
02:26<Cackette>There is either no video hardware installed on this machine (e.g. serial console only), or the "discover" program was │
02:26<Cackette> │ unable to determine which X server is appropriate for the video hardware. This could be due to incomplete information │
02:26<Cackette> │ in discover's hardware database, or because your video hardware is not supported by the available X servers.
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02:26<Cackette>my bad
02:26<Cackette>thought that was 1 line
02:27<blarson>ok, just tell it to use nv.
02:28<blarson>probably just too new a card to be in the discover database.
02:28<Cackette>its a nvidia 6600
02:28<Cackette>hella old
02:28<Cackette>it didnt do that on the other monitor
02:29<Cackette>it doesnt recognize the card
02:29<Cackette>it just says Default Video Card
02:29<Cackette>it used to find the model
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02:31<Cackette>it even uses NVIDIA GeForce 6600 as an example on naming the device
02:32<Cackette>would it be a bad idea to put 131072 for the video memory in kb
02:32<Cackette>128MB = 131072kb
02:33<blarson>Go ahead
02:34<Cackette>what do i do if it messes up the video after that
02:34<chealer>Cackette: is it a laptop?
02:34<Cackette>no
02:34<blarson>control-shift backspace with exit X.
02:35<blarson>control-alt backspace, I mean.
02:35<Cackette>then how will i change the setting back?
02:36<blarson>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg If you are parinoid, backup the files before running it.
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02:37<chealer>Cackette: that setting shouldn't be the problem, unless you have an indication to the contrary.
02:37<blarson>It's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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02:44<Cackette>this comp is a bitch
02:45<Cackette>no sound, low res video
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02:46<oddtod>what would i use to recover deleted files froma SD card fat32 i have backed up the drive using DD
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02:48<fxiny>foremost , sleuthkit
02:49<fxiny>any decent hex editor :)
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02:52<clone>ok, so i gonna put flyers for $59.99 linux installs, its cool with you'all?
02:53<fxiny>not any : just lde
02:53<clone>I made some nifty flyers using scribus, so where should I post them?
02:53<clone>apt-cache search hex editor
02:54<clone>khexedit - KDE hex editor
02:54<fxiny>lde . just that one for a pathetic fat :P
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02:54<clone>hexcurse - A ncurses-based hex editor with many features
02:54<fxiny>s/hex/disk/
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02:56<fxiny>59.99 kick in the a* included ? :P
02:56<eburtusmc>total n00b here...
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02:57<fxiny>welcome don't worry
02:57<eburtusmc>thanks, of course, I have a total n00b question...
02:57<clone>fxiny, whats a*, ass?
02:58<fxiny>clone: nope : artemisia florensis :)
02:58<eburtusmc>All of the howto's I've read on booting up Debian for the first time seem to assume that a GUI loads. I get nothing but a command line.
02:58<clone>eburtusmc, what is the problem?
02:59<eburtusmc>I've done "aptitude install gnome" it did something, then when ack to the command line
02:59<eburtusmc>back
02:59<clone>eburtusmc, so can you login?
02:59<eburtusmc>I can log in
02:59<eburtusmc>to the command line
02:59<eburtusmc>I can log in as me and SU
03:00<clone>once you log in type startx, and see if your X is configured fine
03:00<fxiny>no root gui login
03:00<fxiny>just su
03:00<eburtusmc>root gui login?
03:00<eburtusmc>I don't get a gui
03:00<fxiny>is gdm installed ? what about xorg ? ;)
03:00<clone>if you can do su, then you can do root, anyway, I never use root, I always do su
03:01<eburtusmc>yeah, I can log in to su just fine
03:01<fxiny>eburtusmc: is xorg installed ?
03:01<clone>so when you do startx what does it say, if gnome doesnt start then it will at least come back with an error
03:02<eburtusmc>ok, anyway I can get to the debian command prompt while using a ubuntu live CD?
03:02<clone>do apt-get install gnome again and see if it says gnome is already installed
03:02<clone>eburtusmc, oh, you can't even login to your system
03:02<clone>re-install, you should be able to login without the live cd
03:03<eburtusmc>I can only seem to log into the command prompt
03:03<eburtusmc>can't get a gui to come up
03:03<eburtusmc>in Debian
03:03<eburtusmc>right now, I'm logged in with a ubuntu live cd
03:03<clone>can you log in without the live cd?
03:04<fxiny>eburtusmc: what apt-cache policy xorg say ?
03:04<fxiny>!xorg
03:04<dpkg>it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
03:04<eburtusmc>to ubuntu? I don't have ubuntu installed
03:05<eburtusmc>fxiny: I have no idea what it says. Can I get to Debian command prompt without shutting down ubuntu live cd?
03:05<clone>if you boot, without ubunto cd can you login to debian system?
03:05<eburtusmc>clone: yes
03:05<clone>so when you did that, did you do startx?
03:06<fxiny>eburtusmc: you need the x server : login and type apt-cache policy xorg . i bet is not installed , then run apt-get (or aptitude) install xorg gdm
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03:06<eburtusmc>fxiny: I ran "aptitude install x-window-system-core" then "aptitude install gnome"
03:07<eburtusmc>both ran through their installs with no problems
03:07<fxiny>eburtusmc: so is installed . check apt-cache policy gdm
03:07<fxiny>eburtusmc: gdm is gnome graphical login , maybe is that one you want
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03:08<eburtusmc>fxiny: that's the ultimate goal. Just trying to get to gui for now
03:08<clone>you should download rcconf, it is easy way to configure your system start gui on boot up, but first you need to see if your X is configured correct anyway, so do startx and see if it works or is there an error
03:08<eburtusmc>at least there I can load up an IRC client and pester you guys without the ubuntu live
03:08<eburtusmc>:)
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03:09<Cackette>this is really annoying me that i cant get sound or high res
03:09<clone>You must have gdm, or xdm or something
03:09<eburtusmc>ok, I'll try startx
03:09<eburtusmc>thanks guys
03:09<eburtusmc>hopefully I won't be back
03:09<clone>alsaconf
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03:19<istoc>Hi, is there a better way to mount a usb storage device then ls /dev/ | grep sd and trying to mount them all?
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03:20<istoc>one at a time*
03:21<dondelelcaro>istoc: check dmesg, set up a udev rule, etc.
03:21<istoc>would that auto mount it? I just wanna find a better way to identify the newest usb device added
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03:24<eburtusmc>back :(
03:25<fxiny>no luck ? install xorg
03:26<Cackette>hey don_inlab
03:26<Cackette>dondelelcaro, i mean
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03:26<eburtusmc>startx = command not found; startgnome = command not found; startgdm = command not found
03:26<fxiny>apt-cache policy xorg . is symple like that
03:27<fxiny>you forgot to install xorg
03:27<eburtusmc>ha, how do I do that?
03:27<fxiny>apt-get (or aptitude) install xorg
03:28<eburtusmc>is that the same as x-window-system-core?
03:29<eburtusmc>I also tried " start x" with the space and it came back with "bash: command 'start' not found"
03:30<fxiny>eburtusmc: apt-get or aptitude >>> -s install <packagename> will just show you what will happen . -s means symulation , no install follow
03:30<simonrvn>startx is in xinit package; there's no such thing as startgnome, it's called gnome-session, and to be run from a dm or ~/.xsession; startgdm doesn't exist either, gdm is started from /etc/init.d/gdm
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03:35<apeitheo>I have to connect to two network interfaces (ppp0 and eth0) on boot, but I need ppp0 to be my gateway to the internet, not eth0--currently I have to ifdown ppp0 && ifup ppp0 to be able to access anything outside my LAN--how can I reconcile this?
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03:35<macdeem>apt-get install x-windows-system
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03:37<macdeem>apeitheo, may you don't have network on at boot, so Install rcconf, it easy way to edit start up scripts, then scroll to the net and click the stereo button so it is selected to run on startup
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03:38<simonrvn>and that's called x-window-system not windows
03:38<simonrvn>!xwindows
03:38<dpkg>X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap
03:39<apeitheo>macdeem, well I edited /etc/network/interfaces and set the ppp0 interface to "auto" so it brings it up during the startup scripts (when ifup -a is run)--so I have that part down, I just need it to be the default gateway, I can't access the internet until I've restarted the ppp0 iface
03:39<fxiny>apeitheo: pppoeconf
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03:39<macdeem>apeitheo, no I was talking about X to someone else
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03:39<fxiny>then sort the boot thing
03:40<apeitheo>macdeem, even with the comment directed at me?
03:40<macdeem>apeitheo, no that one was for you, obviously\
03:41<apeitheo>fxiny, no way to do it manually?
03:42<fxiny>apeitheo: ls /etc/ppp >> ppp_on_boot.dsl
03:42<macdeem>do apt-cache search rcconf, and when you find it, do apt-cache show rcconf, so you knnow what it is about, and then once its installed, run it, and click the nic you want to run at start up, and then restart and should have to do ifup and down anymore.
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04:12<oddtod>does any one know of a good program to edit web pages in?
04:12<dondelelcaro>oddtod: vim or emacs
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04:13<oddtod>i was looking for something more robust web page editor
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04:20<bjb>Hmmm, emacs never crashes on me - I think of it as pretty robust
04:20<bjb>plus it has nifty xml capabilities (verify and validate)
04:21<bjb>syntax colouring
04:21<dondelelcaro>robust must have some new meaning that I was not previously aware of
04:22<bjb>mmm
04:22<dondelelcaro>(unless you're refering to the "rough and crude" usage, which certainly doesn't apply to emacs)
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04:24<fxiny>check out muse-el
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04:25<dmobi>hi
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04:26<fxiny>C-c C-p and voila' les jeux son fait :)
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04:27<bjb>hi dmobi, what's up?
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04:46<dmobi>everything fine :)
04:46<dmobi>how r u?
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04:51<macdeem>If you learn the commands on emacs and you actually do typing, you will be amazed at how efficient you can be on emacs
04:52<macdeem>It was designed for Nasa type workers whose boss wanna see and here them typing away, those key commands are designed for very fast and efficient work. Regular text editor are not even in the same league with emacs and vi also
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04:53<fxiny>nasa ? i know there is a typing nasa-style
04:54<fxiny>and a bloke called Larry doing things over there :P
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04:54<macdeem> bluefish is good for webdesigning
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05:16<bjb>I just added some info on udev to the debian wiki - if anyone wants to review/proofread/correct it that would be great: http://wiki.debian.org/udev The "overview" section
05:17<southernC>anyone know of a patch for grub that fixes an issue with a raid and upgrading kernel it says /dev/sda3 doesnt exist
05:17<southernC>when it does
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05:22<macdeem>southernC, did you do some mounts?
05:22<southernC>the grub config is exactly the same for bolth kernels
05:23<southernC>the only thing i can think of is for some reason its trying to acess the swap on a drive that isnt booted up cause it only boots one drive it says when booting
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05:23<southernC>but i dont know why it would work for one kernel and not the other
05:23<macdeem>you don't have the /dev/sda3 formatted, you have to do some mk.fs command
05:23<southernC>when there identicle
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05:24<borco>hi
05:24<macdeem>forget about the two identical kernels, run mk.fs
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05:25<southernC>command not found
05:25<macdeem>mk.fs, cfdisk, mount
05:25<macdeem>apt-get install mk.fs
05:25<borco>i had lately a lot of problems with my HDD. for example, I create some md5 for some files and then, when I try to reread them, they return different md5's. are my HDD's defective? i'm using debian unstable...
05:25<macdeem>!mk.fs
05:26<southernC>that package doesnt exist
05:26<macdeem>mount
05:26<macdeem>apt-cache search mk.fs
05:27<southernC>didnt return anything
05:27<bjb>borco, are you sure the files didn't change?
05:27<borco>bjb: yes. i try to write them on a DVD and i'm generating md5's for them.
05:28<macdeem>southernC, I forget the command name, let me go google it
05:28<southernC>what are you trying to have me do mount a drive ?
05:28<bjb>borco, you mean, the md5 from the disk and the md5 from the burned dvd are different? or do you mean two different invocations of md5 on the same file returned different results?
05:29<macdeem>anyone here know how to take add a scsi drive to the system?
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05:30<borco>bjb: no, i create a md5 for those files and when I try to verify them, using the same files, they return different md5's. sometime for some files, sometime for others...
05:30<macdeem>southernC, oh yeah, take a look at /etc/fstab
05:30<borco>bjb: I use cfv to test them...
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05:30<bjb>borco, it's looking pretty bad for your hd
05:30<bjb>borco, I don't know cfv
05:30<bjb>sorry
05:31<southernC>k ?
05:31<bjb>borco, if I were you I'd be backing up my hd ASAP
05:31<borco>bjb: it's just a front-end for md5sum, cksfv, etc...
05:31<southernC>n/m thats not even my swap
05:31<bjb>and hoping it's not too late
05:31<southernC>its just a ext3 partition
05:31<bjb>ah
05:31<macdeem>southernC, mkfs.ext3
05:31<bremner>!smartmontools
05:31<macdeem>it should already be installed, but you have to su
05:32<borco>bjb: the question is how can I make sure that the hdd is really the problem and not the controller or the linux kernel?
05:32<bremner>borco: try smartmontools
05:32<bjb>borco, any noticeable problems in /var/log/kern.log, related to the disks/drivers?
05:32<bremner>borco: smart == HD diags
05:32<southernC>what exactly am i supposed to do with that >
05:32<southernC>?
05:32<borco>bremner, i'm using them. sometime they report errors, sometime, after a reboot, the errors are gone...
05:33<bjb>borco: backups, while you can still occasionally read
05:33<macdeem>so how would you add a harddrive, I forget, first mkfs.ext3, then cfdisk, then mount, and add it in /etc/fstab? I am pretty sure that how its done.
05:33<bjb>important stuff first
05:33<borco>for example, not they return "Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 051 Pre-fail Always - 2"
05:34<southernC>but the drive its saying that isnt there is already in fstab and boots fine on one kernel
05:34<borco>i had this problem before and, strangely, at some point it went away...
05:34<macdeem>I guess these are the commands: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3; and then run cfdisk and partitiion it how you like; and then add the mounts you like in /etc/fstab file
05:34<borco>bjb: this is what makes me wonder.
05:34<bjb>borco, hopefully your backups are up to date while you ponder ...
05:34<macdeem>southernC, so you have to add it for the kernel that doesn't have it already configured
05:35<bjb>even if you back up, you can still use the disk
05:35<borco>bjb: also, when using hald, the drive produces a 'clank' when hald starts. without hald, i hear no such clank
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05:36<borco>bjb: how can i use it, if i can't trust it :(
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05:36<southernC>right but if i partition or format that drive then neither kernels will bot it cause it will no longer exist...
05:36<bjb>macdeem, southernC, the order of preparing a disk is : 1) partition, 2) create filesystems 3) mount them. You don't partition a filesystem, it's the other way
05:36<bjb>borco, well, if you don't trust it, replace it?
05:36<borco>bjb: i even did a raid on 2 different hdds, and still get errors :(
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05:37<bjb>borco, it's looking bad for your disks (and data).
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05:37<borco>bjb, that's the plan, especially as they are in waranty period. but how can i make sure that the vendor will not say: 'this hdd is working fine?'
05:37<bjb>re, still using the HDD - I meant backing up is not an irreversible step
05:37<southernC>Its already partioned it already has a filesystem its already a bootable system just for some reason upgrading my kernel renders it useless
05:37<bremner>borco: show vendor smart logs
05:38<borco>bjb: that's the problem :(
05:38<borco>bjb: as I've said, the error comes and goes.
05:38<borco>bjb: it might be that the error goes when i take it to the vendor :(
05:38<borco>bjb: but i'll try that...
05:39<bjb>borco, then it's a matter of telling the vendor that the disk is not satisfactory. Don't take "it works for me" as an answer. Tell them how mission-critical your data is and insist on a replacement disk that passes your tests.
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05:39<bjb>borco, if they still try to make you take a disk you're not comfortable with - let them know you'll be switching vendors at the first opportunity.
05:39<bjb>and follow through
05:39<borco>bjb, bremner: the strange thing is that i have a similar problem with my 3rd hdd, that shows no error in smarttools...
05:40<borco>bjb, in Romania where i live this is ok for the vendor :(
05:40<bjb>ah
05:40<bjb>well, try out the smart tools, like the other guy said
05:40<borco>bjb, as long as i don't buy tons of components, they don't care...
05:40<bjb>maybe they will give consistent results
05:40<bjb>one way or the other
05:41<bjb>borco ... I know the feeling
05:41<knewt>aren't the vendors supposed to send it back to the manufacturer who then does tests and stuff?
05:41<borco>yes, these hdd's are from Samsung. i wonder if I'll ever buy another hdd from Samsung...
05:41<bjb>borco, re what bremner said about "show vendor smart logs" - yes, keep logs of your tests as documentation.
05:42<bjb>s/tests/test results/
05:42<borco>samsung gave me some links to some dos/windows tools I should try to run...
05:42<borco>to be sure they will replace the hdds.
05:42<borco>i'll try to run those and see if i get any positives...
05:43<bjb>good luck ...
05:43<borco>thanx :(
05:43<borco>bye...
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05:45<bjb>uh oh. diurnal cycle inversion.
05:45<bjb>g'night
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05:45<borco>back again
05:46<borco>bjb, just read this thread http://kerneltrap.org/node/7276
05:46<borco>bjb, could this be my problem?
05:46<borco>bjb, people there said to use noapic...
05:46<borco>bjb, could it be only a software problem?
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05:48<bjb>borco, I assume you have all the same hardware as the people reporting on that page?
05:49<bjb>And, if it's the driver: did you upgrade recently, and the problems start right after that?
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05:49<borco>bjb, i have sata drives and nforce cipset...
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05:49<borco>bjb, i'm using unstable and some problems appeared recently...
05:50<borco>bjb, and i had problems with the sata drive since i've bought it, couple of months ago...
05:50<borco>bjb, but they were never this bad :(
05:51<bjb>Well, looks like you should try the suggestions on that page. (not to beat a dead horse, but - do that while keeping your backups up to date :-)
05:51<bjb>I was just going to bed - g'night and good luck
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06:20<grummund>Hi, what should i do/install to get British-English spelling dictionary for icedove?
06:20[~]grummund already installed icedove-locale-en-gb
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06:28<gsimmons>grummund: I think you'll need to install the 'myspell-en-gb' package.
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06:45<Falle_>I need an FTP-server that has posibility to get all users from sql database. Any recomendations?
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07:06<noflash>!tell mrpouet[away] -about away
07:09<Falle_>the-me: thank you!
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07:14<|supernova|>hi guys!
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07:15<fxiny>champagne !
07:15<|supernova|>does someone know if debian (i think sarge at least) runs on an Apple Powerbook 1400cs?
07:16<|supernova|>its cpu is PowerPC 603e
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07:24<twb>|supernova|: why wouldn't it?
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07:28<|supernova|>it's an oldworld mac.. so i need a sort of grub for powerpc is right?
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07:30<Karyom>hi
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07:31<Karyom>hi
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07:32<noflash>!debianppc
07:32<dpkg>well, debianppc is /join #debianppc PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the <yaboot> HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html
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07:35<|supernova|>noflash: thanks so much! i read it immediately!
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07:41<|supernova|>yaboot isn't suitable for oldworld macs..
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07:44<mshaffer>Is there a BitchX chat room? Nobody is in #Bitchx.
07:44<streuner_>prolly irc.freenode.net then
07:44<mshaffer>ok
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07:51<macdeem>I can't get my flash to go full screen
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08:18<KaiSVK>I was just wondering ... I read some debian developers' blogs about their new computers ... they have chosen AMD in every case I read... does anyone know why is this ? why is AMD better for debian people ? is it price or something else ?
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08:33<reggaeman>hi
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08:33<reggaeman>lol
08:33<macdeem>I have a question about ram upgrades. Is it work less/more good if you have 2X256 rams vs 256+2X128
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08:34<macdeem>KaiSVK, Of course its price and also the fact that they are a break from the intel monopoly
08:34<KaiSVK>macdeem, thanx ... I just try to google out something about debian vs. amd relationship :/
08:35<KaiSVK>macdeem, I would by AMD too ... mainly because of the energy consuption advantage against intel, although I dont know if thats true after releasing core2duo :/
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08:36<KaiSVK>macdeem, and even when I have Inte Core2Duo in my laptop I am definitly an AMD fan ! :)
08:36<KaiSVK>honestly dont know why
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08:38<reggaeman>hallo
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08:41<macdeem>I prefer to buy refurbished IBMs with intel pentiums, not amd or celeron. I think they have this new xeon and things out these days too, but I am still in p3 age
08:41<macdeem>I am currently looking at a server for so cheap I can't believe it
08:42<macdeem>IBM eServer Xseries 205 Tower P4 2.4Ghz 512MB /40 GB SCSI HD/ for $249
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08:43<macdeem>But I also found an eserver 232 tower P4 1.26 128MB / 20GB SCSI HD 15k for $55
08:44<luis>HOLA
08:44<macdeem>KaiSVK, where you go?
08:47<KaiSVK>macdeem, to have one little cigarette ;)
08:48<macdeem>is nVidia GeForce MX 440 64MB Video Card supported?
08:49<macdeem>when we gonna have a new debian release? I am still running 2.6.18
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08:50<MDVz0r>hello, i just upgraded (using apt-get upgrade) to testing, but now my system hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root file system", grub seems to point to the correct harddisk, anyone got an idea?
08:51<fxiny>still recovering from sarge2etch upgrade :P
08:51<macdeem>hehe, I tried testing before, no more though, I think thats for the pros
08:52<macdeem>etch is the best thing from debian I ever seen since I began, actually sarge from woody was a bigger improvement
08:52<fxiny>ugrading is not that hard . i hate the mess with new configs
08:52<KaiSVK>macdeem, we have bought some very good server too IBM x3400 with Xeon, 2GB RAM, 3 SAS disks 143 GB each I think it was for about 1500 $
08:53<macdeem>I aint in your ranks. I think I am gonna get the $55 server, haha, thats so funny compared to your $1500 server
08:53<fxiny>yeahh sarge was good . i had more fun with woody
08:53<KaiSVK>macdeem, I am using testing :) its nothing about beeing pro on that ;) IMO
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08:54<gsimmons>macdeem: The GeForce MX 440 (NV17) hardware is supported by the free drivers (vesa, nv) and the non-free driver (nvidia).
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08:54<macdeem>I can't remember specifics but I had problems with testing, and little improvements to make it worthwhile, and then all the improvements were in etch when it got released so it was good for stable for me
08:54<KaiSVK>macdeem, actually it was not for us, it was for one biiiig customer ;) I have installed SLED 10 on it, it will become a new computer core in their company next year
08:55<macdeem>SLED 10, never heard of it, what is that/
08:55<KaiSVK>macdeem, sorry SLES 10 means SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 10
08:55<macdeem>gsimmons, I saw some modules in an apt-get search that I was thinking would work
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08:56<macdeem>SuSE is a little fishy don't you think, that have some proprietary kerneling going on I heard
08:56<KaiSVK>macdeem, on the other side we have installed debian etch system with asterisk on it for one company installed on Pentium 233 Mhz, 64 MB RAM :) it is going very well on that machine on my surprise :)
08:56<macdeem>I its a pain in the ass to reconfigure with all those rpm dependencies. I like debian package management
08:57<macdeem>KaiSVK, are you in Kitchener Ontario?
08:57<KaiSVK>macdeem, that's true, but the enterprise products both from RedHat and Novell are BIT different from the Fedora and openSuSE respectively :)
08:57<KaiSVK>KaiSVK, nooooooo :))) why r u asking that ;)
08:57<KaiSVK>SVK means Slovakia ;)
08:58<KaiSVK>macdeem, I presume u have never heard of Slovakia before ;)
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08:58<macdeem>KaiSVK, I had an IMB rental that had SuSe, and when I ran debian I couldn't get the wireless net working, but in SuSE it worked, and I think the had a proprietary driver going. Suse is owned by Novell eh
08:58<KaiSVK>whish I would be in Ontario :(
08:59<macdeem>Well I knew one company and I went for interview and they were supporting asterisk
08:59<macdeem>SO where do you live?
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08:59<KaiSVK>macdeem, you are right, suse cares much less about proprietary drivers and stufff
08:59<KaiSVK>macdeem, I live in Slovakia :)
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08:59<macdeem>Oh, thats where the sexies blonde jew woman live, they are so hot
09:00<macdeem>Check republic you mean?
09:00<KaiSVK>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia
09:01<KaiSVK>macdeem, yeah, we border with Czech Republic ;)
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09:01<KaiSVK>macdeem, I presume you are from America/Canada ;)
09:01<macdeem>I wish I live in East and you wish you live in west
09:01<KaiSVK>macdeem, actually as I see the wiki page, I am pretty proud of my country ;)
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09:02<macdeem>Canada, but I am from Pakistan birth, and even though I live here for my whole life, I am still not the fun enjoy life people in this country
09:02<macdeem>I have tough time getting job, and woman, and friends, and any life. I wish I never came here
09:02<KaiSVK>macdeem, aaaa don't say that ;)
09:02<macdeem>I think my parents bought me from black market in third world and brought me here
09:02<southernC>that because your relative like blowing things up :(
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09:02<southernC>relatives*
09:02<macdeem>Yeah, thats life
09:03<macdeem>but they never blow anything up, we drop bombs
09:03<KaiSVK>macdeem, one slovak saying if I may ;)
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09:03<southernC>no you drive cars with bombs in them or something
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09:03<southernC>but all the same ;)
09:04<KaiSVK>LIFE is one of the most tough :)
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09:04<morgan`>hello
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09:04<macdeem>What about f16 and dropping bombs everyday, just to make the world gay and hate gos
09:04<macdeem>god
09:04<KaiSVK>macdeem, look I am gay too :)
09:05<southernC>i hate to be the berer of bad news but i dont think may people in here have much of what normal people would call a life
09:05<SpeedyG>life? in what language is that written? :D
09:05<southernC>many*(
09:05<macdeem>The government here is very oppressive if you are not gay
09:05<southernC>i have social anxiety so i hate people :)
09:06<macdeem>southernC, I used to have similar problems, and then I started guarding my rashions and it stopped
09:06<SpeedyG>life? is that the thing that those people always talk about? usually mentioned together with that scary thing called 'outside' ? *shivers*
09:06<macdeem>It very difficult though
09:06<KaiSVK>macdeem, you see and that's what is pretty about open source community, we don't care from where the other come, we are all interested in open source software, in debian perhaps, even one beeing gay and other beeing not :)
09:06<KaiSVK>PEACE to Earth
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09:07<southernC>yea but you can be a hippy on your own :)
09:08<macdeem>southernC, you should try guarding your food too, maybe your anxiety will stop immediately
09:08<southernC>i dont have an issue with food lol
09:08<macdeem>There is medicine that if you eat will make you depressed
09:08<southernC>i do have medicine effexor Xr and its frigin horrible makes you feel like complete shit
09:08<macdeem>I had severe depression for years, and then I started buying food and keep it by my side all the time, and it stopped
09:09<southernC>i dont have that kind of depression lol
09:09<macdeem>and sometimes I forget and leave my food unattended, and then I get the depression again
09:09<southernC>thats odd
09:09<macdeem>Yeah, my step family is pretty cruel
09:09<southernC>are you heavy ?
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09:10<macdeem>yeah, they make you bloated too
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09:10<macdeem>I have genetic defect, my body looks very wierd
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09:10<southernC>...
09:10<southernC>i used to know this girl that had that sorda thing she was really tiny and very frgaile but she was really cool
09:11<southernC>fragile*
09:11<macdeem>anyway, in the end we all go exactly the same
09:11<southernC>if you say gay im gonna slap you
09:11<southernC>:)
09:12<southernC>sheesh whys noone awake its 9:00 am
09:13<SpeedyG>9am? 15.13 here :D
09:14<southernC>12:13 ?
09:14<SpeedyG>3.15PM I guess
09:14<KaiSVK>anyone can help me withc Exaile ?
09:14<southernC>damn where you live ?
09:14<KaiSVK>I cannot play radio station
09:14<KaiSVK>m3u file
09:14<SpeedyG>southernC: I guess 'the other end of the world' comes quite close ;)
09:15<southernC>austrailia ?
09:15<SpeedyG>nah
09:15<macdeem>southernC, where are from? we are in same time zone
09:15<southernC>good spelling there
09:15<SpeedyG>.nl :)
09:15<southernC>i live in connecticut
09:15<macdeem>so our dollar is heaver than your today
09:16<southernC>gas is prolly more expensive too
09:16<SpeedyG>we dont even have a dollar :D
09:16<southernC>3.29 a gallon zzZZz
09:16<southernC>too expensive to be social anyway lol
09:16<fxiny>3.29 ? southern Comfort :P
09:17<southernC>yea
09:17<macdeem>Butto's son is chairmen of the party at 19years old
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09:17<macdeem>You know they are jews
09:17<southernC>anyone here ever had a problem with a raid and grub ?
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09:18<gurpreet>hi
09:18<macdeem>southernC, whats the problem you are having
09:19<southernC>you were the one that told me to partition my drives before werent you ?
09:19<gurpreet>i've a lil' prob, mc is taking 20 secs to start
09:19<southernC>mc..
09:19<macdeem>southernC, yeah, mkfs.etx3
09:19<southernC>yea thats not the prob
09:19<gurpreet>midnight command
09:19<macdeem>mission commander
09:19<southernC>oh
09:20<southernC>gotcha
09:20<macdeem>midnight
09:20<gurpreet>lol
09:20<fxiny>20 ? recheck : 60 seconds
09:20<macdeem>gurpreet, lol, its 2007, they invented file manager
09:20<macdeem>nautilus
09:20<macdeem>gnome
09:20<fxiny>mc rocks
09:21<gurpreet>macdeem, but mc is supposed to be fastest file manager, its taking longest time
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09:21<southernC>konqour
09:21<macdeem>yeah its true, but I could never get the hang of it. Even Emacs I use, but I never learned any of them
09:21<fxiny>we are fluxers so we use mc
09:21<macdeem>gurpreet, I just use commands
09:21<gurpreet>macdeem, i'm using fluxbox, so want minimal functionality, mc fits in this purpose
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09:21<macdeem>gurpreet, what kind of computer do you have?
09:22<southernC>you know compusa is closing buy some new hardware (;0/
09:22<gurpreet>macdeem, p4 HT 3GHz, 1 gig RAM
09:22<fxiny>gurpreet: good news : mrxvt 5.3 compiles just fine on etch
09:22<macdeem>gurpreet, so run gnome
09:22<gurpreet>fxiny, congrats dude
09:22<gurpreet>macdeem, but its matter of taste
09:22<macdeem>yeah true
09:22<southernC>there anyway to get grub2 to compile on etch ?
09:22<southernC>that wopuld fix my problem
09:23<gurpreet>macdeem, even if i had to chose desktop environment, i will go for kde not gnome
09:23<fxiny>gurpreet: sources are buggy : i have 20 profiles and 20 tabs
09:23<southernC>yea i just switched i like kde much better
09:23<macdeem>gurpreet, me too, but it crashes too much, gnome is way more stable I found
09:23<fxiny>gurpreet: 5 tabs more the the average sid user :P
09:23<gurpreet>macdeem, kde shows a message that i crashed, but nothing really happens
09:23<gurpreet>that it*
09:23<southernC>i found it to be the other way around but each is there own i guess
09:23<macdeem>enlightenment is the coolest, but that crashes too too much
09:24<gurpreet>please come back to my problem with mc's load time :)
09:24<gurpreet>fxiny, do u really use this much tabs?
09:24<macdeem>I don't know, I have tested both, I used to run kde all the time, it was my first chose, but I switched to gnome only for stability
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09:24<fxiny>gurpreet: i never understood the mc dammned 60 seconds timout ., it disappeared when i installed dnsmasq . still i have an entry in my todo list about it
09:24<gurpreet>macdeem, try fluxbox dude, it will leave more RAM for other useful programs :)
09:24<southernC>anyone know the command to figure out the device a bootmgr uses to store mem on ?
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09:25<tomek>no to pięknie
09:25<southernC>k
09:25<gurpreet>fxiny, my root is reiserfs, does this may be the reason?
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09:25<Guest1672>'wyczysciło wszytskie ustawienia:P
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09:25<macdeem>gurpreet, I used to use it
09:25<fxiny>gurpreet: nahh i use 9 + screen . the 5 etch limit sucks and sid 15 limits can't work : if you use a 9+rc.file it will segfault
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09:26<macdeem>gurpreet, there are so many applications that require desktop environments
09:26<gurpreet>fxiny, u didnt sent me screenshot, so i have lil idea how u use screen
09:26<fxiny>gurpreet: nahh ,. is the mc internal fs whatever is , i think . go with dnsmasq and you'll be fine
09:26<macdeem>environments for just managers
09:26<gurpreet>macdeem, i've installed kde first, then i've switched to fluxbox. so i've kde apps also at my disposal
09:26<fxiny>gurpreet: is installed ?
09:27<fxiny>gurpreet: i mean screen
09:27<gurpreet>fxiny, yup, it is
09:27<gurpreet>how to use this thingy?
09:27<fxiny>gurpreet: gimme a sec
09:28<gurpreet>someone please tell me why mc is taking 20 secs to load
09:28<macdeem>I can't imaging why there is such a lag
09:28<gurpreet>i'm on reiserfs
09:28<macdeem>never tried it
09:28<gurpreet>mc shows no msg too
09:28<macdeem>dunno about it
09:29<gurpreet>macdeem, i'm boardcasting my problem :)
09:29<macdeem>open two windows, and run top on one, and then run mc on the other and see if you notice anything
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09:29<fxiny>gurpreet: no need for screnshots , grab the ~/.screenrc http://paste.debian.net/45809
09:29<gurpreet>macdeem, nice idea
09:29<gurpreet>fxiny, cool
09:30<southernC>when i install lilo and run lilo -v it runs and when i reboot grub is still the boot mgr so it must not be writing to the right memory how do i correct this ?
09:30<fxiny>gurpreet: i think is mc virtual fs
09:30<gurpreet>fxiny, this cryptic text is already on my .screenrc, u send it to me once
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09:31<gurpreet>fxiny, mc? its file manager
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09:31<macdeem>gurpreet, is it only mc that is running slow?
09:31<gurpreet>macdeem, not running, just loading slow
09:32<fxiny>gurpreet: so get screen manual and go with it , run irssi on screen so if you close say mrxvt you can reattach it
09:32<gurpreet>macdeem, after it starts, it runs normally
09:32<macdeem>thats wierd, it shouldn't take long at all
09:33<gurpreet>macdeem, yup, something thats no weird isnt worth asking here :)
09:33<macdeem>maybe run aptitude and browse through it to see if you see any red file that you need to install
09:33<gurpreet>macdeem, red file?
09:33<gurpreet>macdeem, i've purged and reinstalled it already
09:34<macdeem>yeah, in aptitude, if there is a file that you need but isn't installed it will show up as red. But recommended files will be red too, and you don't need those
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09:34<gurpreet>macdeem, how can i check this?
09:34<gurpreet>macdeem, aptitutude show mc?
09:34<fxiny>gurpreet: try wconnecting two boxes with a swithc , you'll see mc hanging when you unplug the switch
09:34<gurpreet>aptitude*
09:35<southernC>doh im having a brain fart what is the command to reconfigure a installed package ?
09:35<macdeem>just type aptitude, but I doubt it will help if you did a purge and reinstall. Maybe try a purge and aptitude install, dunno just shooting in the dark though
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09:36<gurpreet>fxiny, give me a starter dude, i don't know how to connect two boxes with a switch. and which boxes?
09:36<macdeem>do you have an ext3 partitions, it must be something to do with reiser fs you got going, maybe it isn't setup right or mc is set up for it
09:36<gurpreet>macdeem, i've an ext3 partition
09:36<gurpreet>macdeem, its mounted on /blob
09:36<macdeem>cd to that partition and try and run mc onit
09:36<macdeem>cd /blob and do mc
09:36<gurpreet>macdeem, when i do mc /blob, it again takes time
09:37<gurpreet>macdeem, did cd /blob and run mc
09:37<gurpreet>macdeem, its started till now
09:37<gurpreet>macdeem, it isnt*
09:37<macdeem>maybe there is way to run mc verbose
09:37<fxiny>gurpreet: is not reiserfs is a timout . i was looking into it then i installed dnsmasq and mc stopped . so it looks like a dns timout
09:37<fxiny>timeout*
09:37<gurpreet>macdeem, i've checked the options, there is not
09:37<tiagosab>gurpreet: There are two bugs reported about mc taking time to start
09:37<tiagosab>And both are related to network connectivity
09:37<Accelerator>hi all
09:38<tiagosab>And it seems I had some problems related to the localhost config too
09:38<fxiny>yes , there are bugs reported but no solution
09:38<fxiny>i remember
09:38<gurpreet>tiagosab, oh
09:38<tiagosab>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432324
09:38<fxiny>yes is the localhost/resolv.conf config
09:39<macdeem>gurpreet, what os are you running? Even novell switch to ext3
09:39<macdeem>hehe, that what they say on wikipeia
09:40<gurpreet>macdeem, etch
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09:40<fxiny>i remember reading that page : my dumb solution is : install dnsmasq
09:40<gurpreet>macdeem, what do u mean by novell switch?
09:41<gurpreet>fxiny, i will install dnsmasq, but i still didnt got the relation b/w mc and dnsmasq
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09:41<macdeem>I thiink reiserfs is faster. Novell bought Suse and they used to use reiserfs and then they switched to ext3 (from wikipedia)
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09:41<gurpreet>macdeem, yes, i know abt it. it was major blow to reiserfs foundation
09:41<macdeem>my computer just got really slow for running tar today
09:42<gurpreet>macdeem, the reason may be arrest of hans reiser
09:42<macdeem>arrest?
09:42<macdeem>why did he get arrested?
09:42<fxiny>gurpreet: i was so pissed off about mc that i said to myself : ok , if this fixes just forget . i did not forget as i still have it on my todo list
09:42<gurpreet>macdeem, for apparently killing his wife
09:43<macdeem>yeah right
09:43<gurpreet>macdeem, nina reiser
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09:43<macdeem>maybe just do a log out and in. Once I had trouble doing copying in a shell, and then I log out and back in and it fixed it. I am gonna try that now for my slow tar problem
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09:44<macdeem>brb
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09:44<fxiny>yes : usually i say novell sucks , about Hans Reiser novell stinks !
09:44<gurpreet>tiagosab, the bug states that mc takes time to load if n/w interface is up but there is no connectivity, ad it further says that mc loads normally if n/w interface is up and there _is_ connectivity. i fall in second category but still mc is taking time to load. this one is more severe :)
09:45<gurpreet>fxiny, dude, i am running reiserfs and i really like it. its fast (they say so) :)
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09:46<clone>it didn't help my tar is still running slow
09:46<clone>I must have some virus
09:46<fxiny>gurpreet: i don't like resiser.fs but i do not mix life and software as novell did
09:47<clone>when was the death, was it murder?
09:48<gurpreet>fxiny, not novell alone, kernel guys are reluctant to put the reiserfs4 in the mainstream. on the contrary they gave green signal to ext4 which is still in the design stage yet.
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09:48<gurpreet>clone, i think her body isnt found till now. but there are some signs that make hans a suspect. like finding nina's blood in his car
09:48<nomeata> /msg dpkg no public key
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09:49<clone>ntfs murders harddrives
09:49<nomeata>sorry
09:49<fxiny>kernel hackers brain are not rotten like novell marketing idiots
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09:50<gurpreet>fxiny, there is some bit of politics going on in the developers
09:51<gurpreet>fxiny, thats why ck left kernel development
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09:51<clone>gurpreet, is it only mc that is giving you troublebe cause maybe you have a fs corruption
09:52<gurpreet>clone, its only mc
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09:52<fxiny>gurpreet: i don't care about politics , i do not discriminate people . Hans Reiser is still under trial so is innocent until it will be proved guilty : novell can go to hell
09:53<gurpreet>fxiny, still reiserfs4 is being developed by namesys team.
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09:55<gurpreet>fxiny, and we don't have anything to do with anyone's personal life, we just know that hans gave us such a good filesystem
09:55<fxiny>that's it
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09:56<fxiny>it was not so good imho . but he shared with us so he must be respected about this sharing even if he did it
09:56<fxiny>math got nothing to do with crime
09:57<gurpreet>fxiny, its good dude, even if ppl say that ext3 is best, still reiserfs comes at 2ns place atleast. so it gave us a choice to use whatever we like
09:57<gurpreet>2nd*
09:58<fxiny>i wish peace for him
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09:58<gurpreet>fxiny, i wish mainstream kernel inclusion for his fs :)
09:58<fxiny>he's a brother anyway
09:58<pasquale>hi, who has a good howto to setup a debian server?
09:59<pasquale>is this good? http://allyourtech.com/content/articles/16_01_2006_setting_up_a_local_web_server_in_debian_linux.php
09:59<pasquale>i need only to put some webpages...nothing of special like mysql php etc...
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10:00<pasquale>not lamp :P
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10:00<twb>pasquale: apt-get install httpd
10:01<pasquale>thanks twb ... but have you an howto?
10:01<pasquale>to use/configure it...
10:01<pasquale>because i never setup a webserver in past...
10:01<twb>You said you didn't need configuration
10:01<phogg>there's an httpd package?
10:01<twb>phogg: no, it's a virtual package provided by all httpds in Debian
10:01<pasquale>but if i install it... i don't know where to put hands after installation
10:02<twb>pasquale: by convention files go in /var/www
10:02<phogg>twb: my apt-cache doesn't seem to know about it
10:02<pasquale>automatically the machine is a server?
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10:02<tiagosab>gurpreet: but maybe you have another interface which isn't connected? Perhaps wireless?
10:02<gurpreet>tiagosab, OH YES!!!
10:02<twb>pasquale: what do you mean by `server'?
10:02<phogg>pasquale: installing e.g. apache causes it to be started and set to start at boot time
10:03<twb>phogg: aptitude search ~Phttpd
10:03<pasquale>i mean... people can look my "pages" putting my ip in web browser?
10:03<pasquale>i reader about apache phogg . maybe it is good for my use..
10:03<twb>pasquale: that depends on your network configuration.
10:04<gurpreet>tiagosab, no, i don't have. i used to have it before i changed my modem. now it don't show wireless devices. it has dynamically configured itself
10:04<pasquale>ok twb thanks. anyway..what apache does?
10:04<twb>apache is an http daemon.
10:04<twb>It listens for and responds to HTTP requests from web browsers and other HTTP clients.
10:04<gurpreet>phogg, check out apache howto dude
10:05<gurpreet>phogg, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Overview-HOWTO.html
10:05<phogg>twb: Still don't see it...
10:05<phogg>gurpreet: What? I am quite familiar with apache.
10:05<gurpreet>phogg, sorry
10:05<twb>I personally am not a fan of apache. I feel it is overly complicated and too focused on feature creep.
10:05<gurpreet>phogg, it was for pasquale, mea culpa
10:05<phogg>ah
10:05<gurpreet>pasquale, check out http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Overview-HOWTO.html
10:05<pasquale>thanks gurpreet
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10:06<twb>phogg: ftp://twb.ath.cx/tmp/hardcopy.2
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10:08<k4uz>Hello there
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10:08<gurpreet>twb, then whats other option than apache?
10:08<phogg>twb: ah, thar she blows. Using ~P fails to list the httpd virtual package, that's all.
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10:09<twb>gurpreet: eh?
10:09<k4uz>maybe someone can help me, i've got problems with ipw3945 WLAN install
10:09<gurpreet>twb, u said u don't like apace. so which web server u prefer?
10:09<tiagosab>gurpreet: I would try, in your place, two test cases: 1) run mc as another user and 2) with all network down (/etc/init.d/networking stop)
10:09<gurpreet>apache*
10:10<twb>!u > gurpreet
10:10<k4uz>everything is installed, the deamon, the firmware, but it just doesn't recognize my built in WLAN
10:10<gurpreet>tiagosab, trying both
10:10<twb>I quite like thttpd, but after doing some work on it's Debian integration I became disillusioned with its ongoing maintenance and security scrutiny.
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10:11<twb>Now, as you see, I use FTP. The vsftpd maintainer is *very* paranoid about security, which I demand in a world-facing service that I don't have the time nor inclination to constantly babysit.
10:11<gurpreet>tiagosab, first test negetive, switching to plan B
10:12<gurpreet>brb
10:12<twb>One nice thing about thttpd is that you can start it on an arbitrary port and directory as an ordinary user, which is handy for situations where scp and rsync aren't about, or you want better throughput.
10:13<gurpreet>twb and its tiny too
10:13<gurpreet>brb
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10:13<twb>The other nice thing is it doesn't do mod_silly, so I don't have to worry about whether modules have magically turned themselves on and are exposing my naughty bits to crackers
10:13<twb>It *does* do CGI, but since I ran it chrooted it couldn't execute anything.
10:15<twb>Obviously some people are more into the "let's abuse stateless protocols and javascript to re-invent NeWS" madness that's so popular lately, so they'll want dynamic garbage.
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10:15<gurpreet>tiagosab, something strange happened
10:15<M3taLinux>hello
10:16<tiagosab>gurpreet: no suspense, please ;)
10:16<gurpreet>tiagosab, i did /etc/init.d/networking stop, got the message "Deconfiguring network interfaces...done", but i was still able to ping google.com
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10:17<twb>gurpreet: what are you trying to achieve?
10:17<gurpreet>tiagosab, i am ashamed, i dont even know how to stop networking on my own system :(
10:18<M3taLinux>up
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10:18<twb>`ifdown en3' or similar.
10:18<gurpreet>twb, i wanted to stop networking
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10:18<twb>The easiest way is to rip out the ethernet cable
10:18<gurpreet>twb, /etc/init.d/networking stop should have worked
10:19<gurpreet>twb by ripping off cable linux didnt have known abt that. it would have made things worse
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10:20<gurpreet>seems to be a bug in etch's init script for networking
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10:21<tiagosab>gurpreet: what are your network interfaces ( `$/sbin/ifconfig -a`)
10:21<gurpreet>eth0 and lo
10:21<gurpreet>and sit0
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10:23<tiagosab>does ifconfig without '-a' return all those?
10:24<gurpreet>tiagosab, without -a it don't show sit0, i dont know what sit is for (serial?)
10:25<WGK>I have been trying to compile a simple c program (aop, 64 lines of code) but get errors about undefined references and ld exits with status 1. Sounds like a linking problem, but what is it trying to link? There is one source file that calls three headers. But aren't headers handled by the preprocessor? So what is left to link?
10:26<tiagosab>gurpreet: google just told me it's ip6 over ip4 tunneling.
10:27<gurpreet>tiagosab, i asked google too, simple internet transition
10:28<gurpreet>i've a question related to shell
10:29<twb>WGK: libc
10:30<gurpreet>a command returns 0 on successful completion. then how command1||command2 work? they normally work that if command1 fails then only command 2 runs. but command1 returns 0 on success, so shouldn't command2 run in this case?
10:30<twb>gurpreet: the source command's exit status is discarded
10:30<WGK>twb: ohhh.. any idea why I would be getting errors?
10:30<WGK>http://paste.debian.net/45813
10:31<gurpreet>twb, don't these logical operator on shell (|| and &&) work on return value of commands?
10:31<twb>WGK: you're calling ncurses functions without linking in ncurses
10:31<twb>gurpreet: they do.
10:31<gurpreet>so, if command1 returned0 then "0||command2" should run command2
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10:32<twb>Oh sorry, I thought you wrote source | sink.
10:32<WGK>twb: hmmm, the source file includes curses.h... do I need to change it to something else?
10:32<gurpreet>twb, yeah, me too was confused by ur answer
10:32<twb>WGK: gcc -lncurses foo.c
10:32<twb>!u
10:32<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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10:33<tiagosab>gurpreet: I don't know waht are the correct words, but the shell uses 0 for True (or something like that).
10:33<twb>gurpreet: for two command foo and bar, foo || bar will always evaluate foo. bar will be evaluated if and only if foo returns with an exit status of zero.
10:33<tiagosab>So 'echo 1 || ls' will just display 1
10:33<twb>Er, foo && bar
10:34<gurpreet>twb, foo||bar was right in your cas
10:34<twb>tiagosab: echo affects STANDARD OUTPUT. That is not the same as the exit status.
10:34<gurpreet>case*
10:34<gurpreet>means exit status of 0 means true for shell?
10:34<twb>gurpreet: zero is the only successful exit status.
10:35<tiagosab>twb: my example was poor, you're right. The '1' had no meaning. I should rather have written 'echo "something" | ls'
10:35<twb>It would be better to use the commands `true' and `false'.
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10:36<tiagosab>gurpreet: for mc, you probably have an entry for sit0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file.
10:36<gurpreet>use ls <existing dir> for successful return value and ls <nonexiting dir> for unsuccessful return value
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10:36<tiagosab>You can try without it, it seems now you are in the same situation of the bug report.
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10:36<gurpreet>tiagosab, sit0 isnt mentioned in the file
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10:37<gurpreet>check return value with echo $?
10:37<WGK>twb: why do I need the -lncurses? could there alternately be another header included in the source file?
10:37<twb>The $? variable is set to the exit status of the last command to run.
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10:37<gurpreet>twb, yes
10:38<twb>WGK: I'm not inclined to explain basic usage of GCC to you. It's off-topic.
10:38<twb>gurpreet: similarly, #bash on freenode is a better place to discuss basic usage of sh (well, bash).
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10:39<tiagosab>gurpreet: I can't help you any more, I never took the time to fully understand ipv6...
10:39<tiagosab>And I don't know where else it can be configured.
10:39<gurpreet>tiagosab, i don't i've nothing to do with ipv6
10:40<gurpreet>tiagosab, i thought i've nothing to do with ipv6
10:40<gurpreet>which package contains gcc manual page?? :(
10:41<twb>gurpreet: it's probably in non-free due to the ruling on immutable sections in GFDL documents.
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10:42<gurpreet>twb, oh, thats y i am unable to find it using aptitude search
10:43<WGK>twb: my apologies.. I see my mistake now... quite silly... :(
10:43<WGK>twb: thanks for the help, tho
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11:03<taner>hji
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11:20<klimy>hi
11:21<klimy>how can i force two init.rc deamons to run one after another if i do not know when the first one is finished?
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11:22<klimy>i have a problem with ntp and ifupdown. ntp is set after ifupdown, but my internet connection is still set after the ntp call. thus all servers are unreachable and my time is set wrong
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11:28<klimy>oops.. i mean init.d ;)
11:29<twb>klimy: init.d scripts are executed sequentially
11:29<twb>Rather, /etc/rc.?/* scripts
11:29<twb>...which are symlinks to init.d.
11:30<klimy>yeah i have everything set up in /etc/rc*.d/*
11:30<twb>Oops, thanks.
11:30<klimy>but when i look in my syslog it says that my network is up after ntp
11:31<klimy>thus i am a bit confused.
11:31<twb>Is your network a PPP/PPPoE/PPPoA line?
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11:31<twb>Or just simple TCP/IP over ethernet?
11:32<XoX>i want to load the module and mount the crypt partition after the system booted to root , how do i prevent the module and the cryptsetup script from being included in the initrd
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11:32<XoX>hi
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11:33<klimy>my network is ethernet. my router does the dhcp, but the router is slow. the router has pppoe connection to the internet.
11:33<twb>klimy: OK.
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11:34<twb>klimy: can you pastebin the log entries that are confusing you?
11:34<klimy>ok.
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11:40<klimy>does debian has an own pastebin?
11:40<lucas_amorim>Hello, I am using debian lenny. I am having some sound related problems. When I try to play a mp3 file on xmms it says: "Please check that: Your sound card is properly configured; You have the correct output plugin selected; No other program is blocking the soundcard." and no music is played. Also, when i run it through the terminal I see "** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory".
11:40<lucas_amorim>But, I can play music using vlc for example
11:40<lucas_amorim>and mplayer
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11:40<lucas_amorim>seems it is a problem w/ xmms?
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11:42<fxiny>!paste
11:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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11:44<twb>xmms is old-ass yuk
11:44<twb>If he comes back, tell him to switch xmms from oss to alsa
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11:46<fxiny>xmms2 died . ftp not yet , in the meantime , while xmms2 rulez , the wake starts:P
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11:46<klimy>ok i got it http://paste.debian.net/45822
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11:47<fxiny>ops : s/xmms2 died/xmms died/g
11:47<klimy>i do not understand the part from 59 to 77.
11:48<fxiny> cause is not connected yet ?
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11:48<klimy>yeah
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11:49<klimy>i have a dhcpdiscover at line 1. this means my ifupdown daemon is started before ntp
11:49<twb>The main reason I'm not using xmms2 yet is because I'm lazy and mpd is working and you can't talk to xmms2 with Emacs because it uses a binary (bleh) network protocol
11:49<klimy>which is started around line 46
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11:49<fxiny>twb: wierd : talking tu muzak with emacs ? how ? :)))))))))
11:50<twb><f7> runs the command empc-show
11:50<twb><f6> runs the command empc-random-track
11:50<twb>...etc
11:50<fxiny>anyway xmms2 is amazing
11:50<twb>Oh, and xmms2 still complains about NFS /home, which IMO is a bit silly
11:51<fxiny>ahhh from within emacs , i see . no i *just* run xmms2 in a screen session ;)
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11:52<fxiny>anyway xmms2 is for lazy ppl , so easy : load&play
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11:54<DICK404>is there anyway to play Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory in ubuntu without a grapics driver?
11:54<klimy>twb: is there something wrong with my the log?
11:54<twb>Bedtime
11:54<twb>Sorry
11:54<klimy>ok
11:55<cablop>hello,i forgot the command to close a chanel
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11:55<klimy>its /leave
11:55<cablop>thanks!
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11:55<fxiny>old trick :P
11:56<klimy>fxiny: could you look into my log?
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11:59<fxiny>klimy: i've seen it . it seems not connected
12:00<klimy>yeah. but would you agree that ifupdown is started before ntp?
12:00<klimy>i need somehow to force ntp to wait till everything is set up.
12:02<klimy>my first guess would be sleep 30, but this cannot be the solution.
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12:02<fxiny>no idea . i run ntpdate via crontab . try a reconfigure
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12:03<fxiny>check /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
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12:03<fxiny>i have ten entries there , never had problems
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12:05<kop>What's the best way to tell what the /dev/sd* name of a usb drive is? All I've come up with so far is to do "ls /dev/sd*" with and without the usb stick inserted and compare the results.
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12:07<fxiny>what you get without stick , nothing ?
12:08<kop>There seems to be no mapping of scsi bus and device numbers to /dev/sd* names.
12:08<kop>fxiny : I've a couple of other scsi hard drives.
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12:08<klimy>fxiny: there is no entry for ntp i guess i will try this. thanks
12:09<kop>fxiny : This box has no sata drives, but (I think) they'd show up if I had them.
12:09<petemc>Dec 30 17:03:17 debian kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdc
12:09<petemc>is what i see in syslog when i plug a device in
12:09<fxiny>usually is sda1 , sda4 i know for sure is for iomega_zip , i never loaded more then one usb drive
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12:09<fxiny>so i set my fstab for sda1 and sda4
12:09<fxiny>cause i do have a iomega
12:10<kop>petemc : dmesg shows what's happened after insert. I'm writing a doc and I want something simple to tell people.
12:11<petemc>its not simple to check dmesg or syslog?
12:11<fxiny>dunno . i think petemc got it right . trying to guess : any daemon log ?
12:12<fxiny>lemme plug
12:12<kop>petemc : They may not have access to the logs. Dmesg is always available, but picking the right line out is another matter. Maybe "dmesg | grep ^SCSI | tail -n 1" would do it.
12:13<petemc>hardly foodproof
12:13<petemc>erm, foolproof
12:13<kop>petemc, fxiny : It seems a little bit fragile to rely on the "SCSI" string though.
12:13<petemc>usbmount does my mounting for me
12:13<fxiny>usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
12:13<fxiny>sda: sda4
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12:13<kop>petemc : I actually want the device _unmounted_ because I'll be dd-ing it.
12:14<fxiny>and more from tail -f /var/log/messages
12:14<kop>fxiny : I prefer dmesg, there are no permission issues.
12:14<fxiny>scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices >> SCSI device sda: 489532 512-byte hdwr sectors (251 MB)
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12:15<fxiny>that's the old rusty iomega
12:16<beer>does someone know where I can find etch 4.0r2? I can only find r1
12:16<kop>beer : Might be best to do a network install, unless you've a reason for wanting a cd.
12:17<fxiny>kop: /var/log/kern.log > only six lines . from grep usb /var/log/*.log
12:17<fxiny>of course logcheck will report it
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12:19<beer>kop: When I go to download debian netinstall download I can only find r1 and not r2
12:19<kop>fxiny : It seems my kernel (etch) does not report the /dev/ name.
12:19<tiagosab>kop: what about /dev/disk/by-path ?
12:19<kop>fxiny : (Using your grep of logs.)
12:20<kop>beer : Wouldn't the netinstall install the newest available for the release? I'd think so but now you've got me doubting.
12:21<kop>gottago
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12:22<fxiny>kop: yes . that's right kern.log report only usb stuff , no device name
12:24<beer>kop: If I understand it rigt, the netinstall-cd is the base install with a few tool (apt, kernel nano etc) and then I can use apt to get the newest from the repo. But if I take r1 there are a small bug on my hardware (under install there are a small change of the computer fress just after downloading the language package). I hope that they have fixed it in r2
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12:27<witte>beer: the only difference between r1 and r2 are some "small" bugfixes
12:28<witte>beer: the kernel version is also still 2.6.18
12:28<witte>beer: if it does not work, try the netinstall with 2.6.23
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12:28<witte>!etch 2.6.23
12:28<dpkg>i guess etch 2.6.23 is kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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12:29<beer>it is to server so I dont think it is a good idear to use Lenny's netinstall
12:29<Pwak>Hello, just a little problem, with netinst testing, partman crash with in manual mode... Any ideas?
12:30<witte>beer: it is etch, only with a new kernel
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12:30<witte>beer: if you refer to my message
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12:31<beer>Write: where can I download that netinstall. I have never heard about that
12:31<witte>beer: look at what dpkg told
12:33<beer>gonna try it out
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12:40<gurpreet>back
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12:45<fxiny>gurpreet: about mc , are your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/host ok ?
12:45<kurumin>Ôi.
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12:46<fxiny>hosts*
12:46<gurpreet>fxiny, yes both seems fine
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12:47<gurpreet>i think this is due to my filesystem (reiserfs)
12:47<gurpreet>is there anyone using reiserfs and having startup problems with mc?
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12:49<fxiny>mc timeout is exactly 60 seconds , so if you say only 20 could be reiserfs
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12:49<gurpreet>fxiny, ran htop along with mc, mc is loaded right when i start it, it only shows up late, may be doing something in the background
12:50<fxiny>20 or 60 ?
12:50<gurpreet>fxiny, if i do chroot to my ext3 partition and then run mc will this give insight?
12:50<gurpreet>20
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12:57<Joelito>hi all I need help about installing debian (DVDs) + kde
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12:57<Joelito>I manage to install debian system base from the DVD-1
12:57<Joelito>but i don't know how to install kde..any tips, please :(
12:57<ifvoid>kde should be on the first dvd, I guess
12:58<ifvoid>doesn't apt-get install kde work?
12:58<Joelito>it'll do, but is in a pc without internet :(
12:58<Joelito>plus: I know that first I need somethind like:
12:59<Joelito>apt-get install xserver-xorg xfonts-base
12:59<gurpreet>Joelito, when u install debian, there is option to install kde instead of gnome(default), set tasks="standard, kde"
12:59<gurpreet>Joelito, do F5,F6(don't remember exactly) you will see the option written there in the last
12:59<Joelito>gurpreet: where should I write that?
13:00<Joelito>ah!
13:00<petemc>now you have debian installed, thats not required - just use aptitude
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13:00<gurpreet>Joelito, when you boot from debian, you can give arguments
13:00<gurpreet>Joelito, remember it for next time you install debian :)
13:00<witte>gurpreet: he already has debian, he should not reinstall...
13:01<witte>Joelito: apt-get (or aptitude) install kde should work, it will ask for the correct dvd
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13:01<witte>Joelito: alternatively use synaptic package manager
13:01<Joelito>witte: I know but as I said, the machine doesn't has internet connection
13:01<gurpreet>witte, he has installed gnome, now he will install kde too, this is quite chaotic, unless he uninstall gnome now after installing kde
13:02<petemc>why?
13:02<witte>gurpreet: why?
13:02<gurpreet>Joelito, you don't need internet connection, both gnome and kde are on dvds
13:02<witte>Joelito: yes, but you apt-get can use the cdrom/dvd sources
13:02<gurpreet>witte, coz, he want kde and not gnome
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13:02<Joelito>ooow..I understand :)
13:03<Joelito>now, in which DVD :p
13:03<witte>gurpreet: i have gnome/kde/windowmaker/xfce/icewm/... installed
13:03<gurpreet>Joelito, you should add packages in other dvds in the repos first
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13:03<gurpreet>witte, thats _useless_
13:03<witte>gurpreet: maybe i am not the only user
13:03<witte>gurpreet: maybe not everyone uses what i am using
13:04<petemc>gurpreet: whats wrong with choice? how is it useless?
13:04<gurpreet>witte, this way you will update all window managers even if you don't use them, or they will get staled out without upgrading
13:04<witte>gurpreet: i am aware of that
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13:04<Joelito>gurpreet: in which DVD comes openoffice?
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13:05<gurpreet>Joelito, do apt-cdrom add first, check man page for it this way ur apt will know abt all the packages on the dvds
13:05<gurpreet>then u can search for the packages u want
13:05<gurpreet>Joelito, you have 3 dvds?
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13:05<Joelito>gurpreet: yes
13:05<Joelito>3 DVDs
13:06<gurpreet>do apt-cdrom add for the 2nd and 3rd
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13:06<Joelito>apt-cdroom add
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13:06<Joelito>no extra params?
13:06<gurpreet>Joelito, nothing else
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13:07<Joelito>ok, writting that...
13:07<gurpreet>Joelito, when you will do apt-cdrom add you will be told to put dvd in, and press enter thats it
13:07<Joelito>gurpreet: ok.
13:07<Joelito>:)
13:08<Joelito>so, firefox will never run in debian 4.0r1?
13:08<gurpreet>Joelito, its name is changed to iceweasal
13:08<Joelito>ok.
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13:08<Joelito>how about pidgin?
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13:08<gurpreet>Joelito, its gaim
13:08<Joelito>gaim?
13:09<fxiny>don't forget bitlbee
13:09<fxiny>:)
13:09<gurpreet>Joelito, its nearly same
13:09<Joelito>does gaim still accepts pidgin plugins
13:09<Joelito>:P
13:09<gurpreet>bitlbee?
13:09<fxiny>yes
13:10<gurpreet>gaim is old thingy, pidgin is new
13:10<witte>Joelito: gaim is the old name of pidgin, which is still in etch
13:10<gurpreet>Joelito, so you should have asked other way round
13:10<gurpreet>:)
13:10<Joelito>ow, yeah ^^
13:11<witte>Joelito: it has had a name change (not only debian) because of some legal action (i believe of aim)
13:11<fxiny>still is not perfect : tonic water is missing :P
13:11<gurpreet>Joelito, yes, so they decided to change name without any further unneccessary resistence
13:11<Joelito>well...I'll try installing debian + kde now, thanks for the tips
13:11<Joelito>:)
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13:21<chealer>gurpreet: the KDE task is "kde-desktop", not "kde"
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13:24<gurpreet>apart from cdrom, i wanted to use web mirrors also, so i added following line in the end "deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free. is that okay?
13:24<gurpreet>chealer, yup, i was forgetting it so told Joliet to also see the options by F5 and F6.
13:24<gurpreet>F5 _or_ F6
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13:25<fxiny>add security
13:25<witte>gurpreet: i think so, you can just try, that wont hurt anyone ;-)
13:25<witte>gurpreet: apt-get will complain if it is not correct
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13:26<gurpreet>added this too "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib", now its updating without complaining
13:27<fxiny>multimedia ?
13:27<gurpreet>after updating my # of packages is incr from 18K to 24K
13:27<gurpreet>multimedia? what u told abt that earlier?
13:27<witte>!tell gurpreet about dmm
13:28<fxiny>if you want w32codecs mplayer acroread and so on
13:28<witte>gurpreet: in case you need that, but that is not official debian of course
13:28<gurpreet>witte, adding the repo doesnt hurt :)
13:28<b2un0_51lv4>deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
13:28<fxiny>if you are after clamav check out volatile
13:29<fxiny>yeahh they are not official
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13:29<gurpreet>b2un0_51lv4, wow, thanks
13:29<b2un0_51lv4>it's what i use here
13:30<chealer>gurpreet: ah, F8 does cover tasks and happens to use kde-desktop as an example :)
13:30<fxiny>gurpreet: are you using testing ?
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13:30<gurpreet>chealer, yes :)
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13:31<gurpreet>chealer, might not be F8, but its F[4-8] :)
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13:31<gurpreet>fxiny, nope, stable, but thinking abt moving to testing
13:32<fxiny>so double check multimedia line for "etch"
13:33<gurpreet>fxiny, yup, i noticed it, it says testing.
13:33<gurpreet>fxiny, i will s/testing/etch
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13:39<andrem>Hi, how I send my file .changes for debian using the dupload?
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13:42<bremner>andrem: If you have to ask :-) ... Are you a Debian developer? If not you most likely want #debian-mentors
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13:43<bremner>andrem: see also mentors.debian.net
13:44<andrem>I want send my first package ...
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13:46<bremner>andrem: great, but you have to be "sponsored" by someone more experienced with debian to start
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13:48<andrem>I don't have!
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13:49<mrguser>!greetings
13:49<dpkg>hello, mrguser
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13:49<bremner>andrem: that is why I sent you to #debian-mentors and http://mentors.debian.net, they will help you find a sponsor
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13:50<andrem>ok..
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14:06<SpeedyG>hey, how can I find out which of the kernels i'm currently using? uname -a doenst really give me much clarity ..
14:07<witte>SpeedyG: it doesn't? can you paste the output of that command?
14:07<Myon>I guess he's looking for a filename
14:07<SpeedyG>Linux luut 2.6.18 #1 SMP Thu Nov 15 21:59:17 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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14:07<SpeedyG>it's a custom 2.6.18 because of some adjustments for my tv-card
14:08<SpeedyG>but now I wonder which of the through aptitude installed kernels can be removed
14:09<fxiny>ls /boot
14:09<fxiny>ops
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14:09<gurpreet>SpeedyG, check 2.7.4 section of debian reference manual
14:09<gurpreet>The kernel-image-NNN.prerm script checks to see whether the kernel you are currently running is the same as the kernel you are trying to de-install
14:09<witte>SpeedyG: ok, you probably know which one you selected in /boot/grub/menu.lst which one that is, and in principle you can remove all the rest
14:09<gurpreet>dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-NNN
14:10<fxiny>dplg -S what is in boot
14:10<gurpreet>to remove unwanted kernel image packages, copied it from debian reference. never used it though
14:11<fxiny>i used that on woody and sometimes on sarge . not on etch
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14:12<SpeedyG>hm, ok, I'll just remove all .486 stuff anyway
14:12<SpeedyG>since I'm sure I dont use that :D
14:12<witte>SpeedyG: with "dpkg -l |grep linux-image " you can see the installed kernels
14:13<SpeedyG>witte: iirc, I downloaded kernel-source for 2.6.18, and manually compiled it based on the stock 2.6.18-5-k7 kernel
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14:19<hever>Hi there. I'm going to use mysql-bind and I am not sure if I also can have my zones in the database (BIND nameserver)?
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14:20<hever>I know also Bind DLZ but this is only well tested on older versions....
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14:39<Zeus>hi 2 all I have debian stable with all updates that avilalible, but all free memory is used(1.3GB) by cache, can some one say how to fix this...or where to read about it
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14:40<mzhang>Which arch should I choose for etch on my new Core 2 Quad system?
14:41<Jflesch>Zeus: used by applications ? or by applications and cache
14:41<Jflesch>?
14:42<chealer>mzhang: amd64 for performance but i386 for simplicity. I would weakly recommend i386.
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14:43<Zeus>Tasks: 129 total, 7 running, 122 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
14:43<Zeus>Cpu(s): 74.6%us, 7.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 15.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.8%hi, 1.6%si, 0.0%st
14:43<Zeus>Mem: 1548724k total, 1476840k used, 71884k free, 32008k buffers
14:43<Zeus>Swap: 931728k total, 52k used, 931676k free, 1116228k cached
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14:43<Zeus>:-(
14:43<mzhang>chealer: thank you. it is funny that it's named amd64.
14:43<sooperkuh>!paste
14:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
14:43<sooperkuh>--^ for you, Zeus
14:43<Zeus>sory)
14:44<Zeus>I konw
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14:46<Zeus>aplications used about 400MB all other used by cache and I sink that it not clear...but I don`t why(
14:47<Zeus>" 1116228k cached" in top list
14:48<sooperkuh>Zeus: Using memory for cache is a good thing ... why keep memory unused?
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14:48<Zeus>it`s lag system
14:48<sooperkuh>But it does not even touch swap!
14:49<Zeus>yes the swap is clear
14:49<Zeus>it`s correct?
14:49<Zeus>all most so be?
14:49<simonrvn>disk caching doesn't lag the system....
14:49<Zeus>hmm
14:49<witte>Zeus: you paid for the ram to be used, now it is used
14:50<Zeus>can I clear it in some way?
14:50<Jflesch>Zeus: but why ?!
14:50<Zeus><witte> )))
14:50<simonrvn>!free ram
14:50<dpkg>Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
14:50<simonrvn>Zeus: this isn't windows
14:50<sooperkuh>simonrvn: I think even windows does it that way nowadays
14:51<simonrvn>probably
14:51<gurpreet>Zeus, cache is used to hold programs recently opened so that next time they open faster. however when more mem is needed for running apps, that memory is taken from cache
14:51<Zeus>I sing that I mistake in some sing, that some aplication get all memory used
14:52<Zeus>in cache*
14:52<sooperkuh>Zeus: Why do you think there is a problem with memory (and, say, not with CPU) if your machine is slow?
14:53<Zeus>however senk ) I understand that it`s normal
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14:54<Zeus>I sink that some applicatoin try overflows cache in some way (apache or else)
14:55<gurpreet>total free mem can't be free+buffers+cache, on my system this value becomes more than (total_mem - used_mem)
14:55<gurpreet>this should be equal to total_mem-used_mem
14:57<witte>gurpreet: i think total_mem-free = used_mem
14:57<Zeus>on my it`s Mem: 1548724k total, 1476840k used, 71884k free, 32008k buffers 1116228k cached
14:58<jcpiza>buy a cheap 8 GiB PC
14:58<gurpreet>witte, yes, this equation is holding true on my system
14:58<jcpiza>using cheap 2 GiB modules
14:58<jcpiza>and run 64 bit code.
14:58<Zeus>)
14:58<gurpreet>that means free mem is already including buffer and cache
14:59<witte>gurpreet: uhm, no
14:59<simonrvn>Zeus: there is no problem with that
14:59<jcpiza>So, you has a lot of space of disk's cache
14:59<witte>gurpreet: buffers and cache are part of used memory
14:59<jcpiza>and it goes flying ...
15:00<gurpreet>witte, how can u say that?
15:00<jcpiza>as birds!
15:01<witte>gurpreet: because free < cached on my system ;-)
15:01<jcpiza>not as turtles!
15:01<gurpreet>witte, oh, then you must be right :)
15:02<gurpreet>is cached + buffered is also < used?
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15:02<witte>gurpreet: it also follows from what dpkg told
15:02<witte>gurpreet: yes
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15:02<Pwak>Hello
15:02<gurpreet>witte, yes, now what dpkg said is making sense
15:03<witte>gurpreet: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/free-mem.html
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15:05<Pwak>I got an "ugly" problem with netinst (lenny), I can't manage my partitions...It just...freeze...Nothing happening, just blue and gray screen... Anyone got ideas about that?
15:06<Zeus>yep it`s all that I like to know "The short answer is that you should never worry about the amount of free memory on Linux. The kernel attempts to keep this slightly above zero by keeping the cache as large as possible. This is a feature not a bug." senk you all
15:06<witte>Pwak: can you go to a terminal
15:06<gurpreet>witte, thts nice link
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15:06<witte>gurpreet: it was stored in my external memory (aka google)
15:07<witte>Pwak: this is by ctrl-alt-f2 or so
15:07<gurpreet>witte, you have quite a large external memory :)
15:07<neiljp>how do you change the theme used in openoffice? I have two installed, but dpkg-reconfigure shows nothing and the options menu in openoffice doesn't seem to have anything to do with themes?
15:08<witte>gurpreet: unfortunately, most of it i have not cached :-)
15:08<gurpreet>witte, no worries, its always up to date
15:08<gurpreet>please tell me the name of some offline english dictionary in the debian packages
15:09<simonrvn>Zeus: exactly
15:09<gurpreet>i used to use dict but its goes online to fetch definitions
15:09<simonrvn>dictd + dictionary packages
15:09<Pwak>Currently I'm virtualizing...how send a ctrl-alt-f2 ? ( Physically, it freezes too )
15:10<Pwak>( VirtualBox )
15:10<witte>Pwak: no idea
15:10<witte>Pwak: i thought you were at a plain netinst
15:11<gurpreet>simonrvn, by using dictionary packages, does dictd won't go online?
15:11<simonrvn>dictd runs local to wherever it is; configure dict to query that dictd. rather simple
15:13<gurpreet>simonrvn, isnt there any non client-sever way. running a dictd server all time just to see 1-2 words everyday will be a bad idea
15:13<Pwak>Ok witte it works, I got a terminal
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15:14<witte>Pwak: ok, there should be some kind of error loging
15:14<simonrvn> 18 0 47248 2048 44m 0.0 0.7 0:00.49 dictd S 1 22947 dictd 1.10.2: 0/0 # it has something like 10-12 databases
15:14<simonrvn>IOW, no
15:14<gurpreet>simonrvn, got it
15:14<witte>Pwak: or you can try to see fi you find your disk, and manually do fdisk/cfdisk
15:15<gurpreet>simonrvn, whats the name of dictionary packages?
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15:15<simonrvn>!tell gurpreet -about search
15:16<gurpreet>:)
15:16<Pwak>No errors : "Please press Enter to activate this console"
15:16<witte>Pwak: ok, first hit enter to enable the console
15:16<witte>Pwak: errors normally end up in /var/log/somethign
15:17<Pwak>I found with fdisk /dev/hda
15:17<witte>Pwak: it could be that on the netinst they are shown in ctrl-alt-f1
15:18<neiljp>apologies, found it :)
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15:20<Pwak>Hm strange terminal with no dir / du Aheum. So ctrl-alt-f1 return to the netinst
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15:21<Pwak>Don't understand, last time, with etch ( testing ) it was cool...
15:21<simonrvn>why would there be need of du in an install environment?
15:22<Pwak>To see if somthing in /var/log if any errors ...
15:22<simonrvn>alt-f4 to see the log
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15:23<witte>ah, is it at alt-F4, i knew there was one, but forgot where
15:23<witte>simonrvn: isn't is also put in some kind of file?
15:23<simonrvn>i don't think so
15:23<simonrvn>not the installer
15:23<Pwak>Oh, lot off error "can't open /lib/partman/lib/co" can't read anymore...Scrolling too fast
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15:24<Pwak>Hm...MD5sums are ok...
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15:26<Pwak>Ideas?
15:29<witte>Pwak: i read something of disk to small on an ubuntu forum
15:29<Pwak>Got 50gb of freespace...
15:30<witte>Pwak: that should be enough
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15:30<witte>Pwak: is it free or an empty partition?
15:31<Pwak>50gb without partition
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15:43<oskie>hello.. is there a package that i need to install in order to get USB storage devices working? (right now it seems there's no /dev device created)
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15:44<witte>oskie: normally not
15:44<oskie>witte: ah, it worked this time (did an apt-get dist-upgrade)
15:44<Zeus>it`s in /media
15:45<witte>Zeus: what is in /media?
15:45<Zeus>USB Flash drive
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15:45<witte>Zeus: if you have /etc/fstab configured like that
15:45<oskie>is there a way to make the usb device automatically mount etc?
15:45<Zeus>work by defoult
15:45<Zeus>ohhh sorry
15:46<witte>oskie: configure fstab
15:47<oskie>witte: it should be configured, but eventually i'll run out of mount points
15:48<witte>oskie: i don't understand? how many different devices can you have?
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15:49<oskie>witte: unlimited? :) i mean, some program that will create a mount point directory and automatically mount the USB device.. like GNU/ubuntu does
15:49<hever>Has bind9 the compiled in DLZ and mysql ? How can I find out which modules are compiled in Bind9 ?
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15:50<oskie>sorry, I meant GNOME/ubuntu
15:50<witte>oskie: i don't know which program does that, gnome-volume-manager maybe
15:50<oskie>witte: ah ok, thanks
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15:51<sooperkuh>oskie: there is a bug in Debian, that disables automatic mounting of volumes in gnome
15:52<sooperkuh>i think it is triggered when you use some partitioning tool (partman?)
15:52<oskie>hmm ok
15:53<sooperkuh>just a second, maybe i can find it
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16:00<sooperkuh>oskie: sorry, don't find it any more
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16:01<Cackette>Guys, is there any way to tell if my PCI-E slot is dead?
16:01<Cackette>I powered down my box last night and moved some cards around in the slots and now video doesn't work.
16:01<Cackette>I checked w/ another card, same issue.
16:02<Cackette>The fans power up and such, just nothing displayed.
16:02<oskie>sooperkuh: thanks anyway..
16:02<witte>Cackette: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
16:02<Cackette>i cant
16:02<Cackette>literally nothing shows up on the screen
16:03<witte>Cackette: ah, that is less fortunate
16:03<Cackette>i think it has something to do w/ the motherboard and DVI
16:03<Cackette>because i took the card out, put it in my other computer and hooked it up thru VGA and it worked
16:03<witte>Cackette: you can try to ssh into the machine, but if you do not even get the grub thing, that does not sound very healty
16:04<Cackette>and the other card i tested is DVI only, no VGA on it
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16:04<Cackette>not even post
16:05<Cackette>it beeps and everything, like it'd be fully ready
16:05<witte>Cackette: you can ssh into it, and see if it finds the card
16:05<witte>Cackette: are you sure the card is correctly inserted?
16:05<Cackette>yes
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16:12<Cackette>wow, someone gave a damn good suggestion of resetting the bios
16:12<Cackette>and it worked
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16:17<kop>I just read about !etch 2.6.23. How am I supposed to find out about this stuff (besides reading all the irc traffic)? And where is the kernel coming from. There's no 2.6.23 at backports.org? Where can I get a (more or less maintained) 2.6.23 for etch? (And how does d-i work with 2.6.23 unless it actually _installs_ a 2.6.23 from somewhere?)
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16:21<Cackette`>does anyone know how to make KDE have more resolutions
16:21<Cackette`>i'm on a 1080P TV and the KDE menu shows is 800x600
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16:21<Cackette`>i'd like if it went to 1920x1080
16:21<kop>Cackette : It's not a kde thing, it's an X thing. Maybe : dpkg-reconfigure xorg
16:21<Cackette`>i've tried that
16:22<kop>Cackette: and?
16:22<gurpreet>my xmms2_* vars are shown as such in conky, someone please tell me the solution for this
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16:25<Cackette`>it doesnt change anything kop
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16:25<Cackette`>it has tons of resolutions set but still only 800x600 and 640x480 show
16:25<kop>Cackette: It does not give you choices for resolutions, screen timings, etc.?
16:26<kop>Cackette: If it does not know that your screen will handle the higher resolutions then it won't use them.
16:26<Cackette`>it does in the xorg thing
16:27<Cackette`>but in KDE it still only shows those 2 resolutions
16:27<SpeedyG>hi, i've got this problem in lenny, running 2.6.23 kernel using a sky2 yukon-marvel network interface (eth1). Problem is that the interface is brought down before networkshares are unmounted. I've got eth1 configured with pre-down umount -t nfs, but that doesnt help , anyone have an idea how to solve this ?
16:27<Cackette`>my corg.conf has stuff like 1600x1200 and 1024x768 selected
16:27<Cackette`>xorg.conf*
16:28<kop>Cackette: Look at /var/log/xorg* (IIRC) It'll probably say why the higher resolutions are rejected.
16:28<gurpreet>how can i see with what options a particular debian package is compiled?
16:28<Cackette`>with the star?
16:28<gurpreet>i wanna check if conky is built with xmms2 support or not
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16:28<kop>Cackette: That's a wildcard.
16:28<Cackette`>thats an empty file
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16:29<kop>Cackette: Then I've not remembered the file name right. Look in the directory for something similar.
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16:30<SpeedyG>anyone got an idea how to fix this problem ?
16:31<Cackette`>(II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (unknown reason)
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16:32<Cackette`>ah, does this help? (II) NV(0): Mode "1600x1200" is larger than BIOS programmed panel size of 1280 x 720. Removing.
16:33<Cackette`>the BIOS is restricting my resolution somehow?
16:34<kop>Cackette: That's what I'd think. Dunno.
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16:36<Cackette`>I'll have to go take a look @ the BIOS.
16:36<Cackette`>Is there a log that would show why my sound card isnt working as well?
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16:37<Double>hi
16:37<picsou>hi
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16:37<Double>whats up?
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16:43<JasonS>Double: gas prices
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16:46<Cackette`>│ No X server known for your video hardware ││ │ │ There is either no video hardware installed on this machine (e.g. serial │ │ console only), or the "discover" program was unable to determine which X │ │ server is appropriate for the video hardware. This could be due to │ │ incomplete information
16:46<Cackette`> in discover's hardware database, or because your │ │ video hardware is not supported by the available X servers.
16:46<Cackette`>that happens when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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16:48<DaCapn>I always seem to have trouble with the debian etch 5.0 netinst cd when selecting mirrors for additional software packages, I'm pretty sure that nothing is wrong with my network configuration. It seems like successful mirror detection and release file download is random. I've configured the network with DHCP and manually and it's not working. Most times I've found that rebooting and restarting the install process fixes this. Anyone kno
16:48<DaCapn>w what I'm talking about?
16:48<JasonS>etch 5?
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16:49<DaCapn>in case that got cut off... my final question was "Anyone know what I'm taling about?"
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16:49<DaCapn>if you're talking to me, yes
16:50<JasonS>there is no etch 5.0 DaCapn
16:51<DaCapn>oh, 4.0... sorry, I was thinking of this live cd I use
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16:54<DaCapn>I get the "bad archive mirror" message when I configure with DHCP and I get an "improperly configured network" message when I configure manually. But it's really the exact same configuration I've used on 3 similar installs, and use in /etc/interfaces config files on this same network.
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16:59<kirkroy>sweet.
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17:00<kirkroy>My gcc doesn't seem to want to work. I'm told it can't create executables.
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17:01<jean>Salut
17:01<kirkroy>anyone got a clue?
17:01<kirkroy>My gcc doesn't seem to want to work. I'm told it can't create executables.
17:01<jean>arf
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17:02<hever>I'm running debian and my BIND config tells me no errors if I use the dlz configuration option. So I think its compiled with DLZ support. How can I find out which modules are built in my BIND ?
17:02[~]kirkroy waits
17:03<Cackette>this is really aggrivating
17:03<kirkroy>no one here seems to have any answers...
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17:05<JasonS>patience kirkroy
17:05[~]kirkroy nods
17:06<Cackette>can you guys help w/ this http://pastebin.org/13515
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17:12<KaiSVK>Cackette, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:12<Cackette>thats what i get when i do that
17:13<KaiSVK>Cackette, what is your video card then ?
17:13<Cackette>that error is the 2nd thing that comes up
17:13<Cackette>nvidia 6600
17:13<KaiSVK>ooouki try to pastebin your xorg.conf
17:13<KaiSVK>Cackette, anyway with nvidia 6600 should be no problem
17:13<KaiSVK>Cackette, using stable right ?
17:13<Cackette>yeah
17:14<KaiSVK>tried to set the driver manually in xorg.conf to "nv" ?
17:15<Cackette>yeah
17:15<Cackette>how would i do this?
17:15<Cackette>ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing.
17:15<KaiSVK>vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:15<KaiSVK>find the Driver section and edit the name of the driver to nv
17:15<Cackette>i'm trying to install nvidia's official drivers
17:16<KaiSVK>although I would also try to reinstall xorg :/
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17:16<Cackette>but they want me to exit X before i start installling
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17:16<Cackette>how do i do that w/o losing what i see
17:16<KaiSVK>Cackette, you are running an X server ... so /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm or xdm stop
17:17<KaiSVK>Cackette, aaaaaah :)
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17:17<KaiSVK>Cackette, you have to clear all your problem
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17:20<DaCapn>kirkroy double check that libc is installed, you can have this problem if you're missing certain libraries. (Also Note: Look at how well patience works)
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17:22<bremner>kirkroy: what version of debian, what version of gcc? Did you check bugs.debian.org for similar problems?
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17:25<Cackette>i closed X, then tried to start it back up
17:25<Cackette>and now, somehow, i'm in gnome
17:25<Cackette>when i use KDE
17:25<Cackette>and gdm isnt even installed
17:26<Cackette>whats the deal? and how do i get back into KDE
17:27<hever>How can I remove a self compiled program cleanly from my disc? I'm not sure where all files are ?
17:28<bremner>hever: basically, you can't. Maybe the program has an uninstall target? Next time, checkinstall is your friend
17:29<gravity>The uninstall target applies to anything that's autotool'ed
17:29<hever>its bind
17:29<Cackette>anyone?
17:30<sooperkuh>hever: if your'e lucky it all ended up in /usr/local/...
17:30<kingsley>Cackette: That looks like yet another google research project (yagrp) to me. Perhaps the keywords kdm, gdm and ~configure would yield an answer.
17:31<hever>How can I find out how the debian bind package is build ?
17:31<bremner>hever: apt-get source bind
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17:32<kirkroy>who
17:32<kingsley>hever: If the self compiled programs were compiled recently, perhaps you could find them by sorting directory listings by date.
17:32<hever>Means wich config options are used ? Debian is kewl, because it have a good package management. But sometimes I'm not 100% sure how the packages are build. (Most times good for all requirements)
17:33<kingsley>hever: What bremner said.
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17:34<hever>checkinstall looks nice!
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17:35<bremner>kirkroy: apt-cache policy gcc
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17:38<Cackette>hey witte, i think i found a lead as to why my sound card isnt working
17:38<Cackette>i caught an error message while debian was loading
17:38<SpeedyG>Hi, i'm so stuck on this problem: "sky2: eth1 disabling interface" , but networkmounts remain mounted. But because eth1 is down before unmounting the net-shares, netshares cant be unmounted, and the box hangs on reboot/shutdown, anyone know how to fix this ?
17:38<Cackette>it says "C-Media PCI: probe of 0000:01:09 failed with error -12
17:39<hever>bremner: and where can I see which configure options are used ?
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17:40<bremner>hever: look at debian/rules; it is a makefile, which probably calls configure and make
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17:41<bremner>kirkroy: sorry, no idea. You are using the gcc from stable, which should be err, stable. Check for lack of disk space
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17:41<hever>bremner: Ok thanks, this helps me a lot! And checkinstall helps me also a much !
17:41<bremner>hever: no prob. good luck.
17:41[~]kirkroy bows
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17:49<Cackette>whats the best program to burn an ISO with?
17:49<kirkroy>does it help if I mention my gcc problem states it's an instalation or configuration problem? prolly not, but before I do a restart...
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17:52<Cackette>anyone?
17:53<sooperkuh>k3b?
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17:58<leonidas>Hi Guys, After configuring my sound card with alsa, I lost the icon on my panel menu to up or down the sound
17:58<leonidas>anyone could tell how to install it again?
18:00<leonidas>it's the pcm module I would assume. I have installed all the PCM module with my distro (etch) but that was for nothing :)
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18:00<Cackette>How do i make debian recognize my CD burner
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18:00<Cackette>and whats a good program to burn an ISO
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18:05<Cackette>hello?
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18:11<Cackette>witte?
18:12<darkhawk665>??
18:12<Cackette>How do i make debian recognize my CD burner
18:13<leonidas>Am I right in saying that when you configure Alsa to work with your sound card, you dont get to have that icon for the volume control anymore?
18:13<Cackette>its hooked up, but i cant select it in a k3d
18:13<leonidas>besides the Alsa Mixer gui
18:13<DaCapn>leonidas that's incorrect
18:13<leonidas>so why is it gone then?
18:14<leonidas>can I reinstall it?
18:14<leonidas>all I did is configure Alsa
18:14<DaCapn>right, listen for a second, all will become clear
18:14<leonidas>please DaCapn
18:15<leonidas>well I am all ears :)
18:15<DaCapn>well my typing speed is not infinite, so keep waiting
18:15<leonidas>ok :)
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18:16<DaCapn>when you started the alsa configuration, it terminated all processes using your sound card, including 'gnome-volume-manager' You probably got a prompt saying "the volume manager quit unexpectedly" and you could reload it or not. You could have waited until the configuration was done and hit reload and it would have reloaded
18:16<DaCapn>you could open up a terminal and run 'gnome-volume-manager'
18:16<leonidas>yes I remember now
18:17<sooperkuh>isn't gnome-volume-manager responsible for mounting volumes (as in disks)?
18:18<DaCapn>hahah yeah sorry, control not manager
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18:18<leonidas>so it is called "gnome control manager" ??
18:19<DaCapn>I said "control, not manager" not "control, not volume"
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18:19<oddtod>whats a good fully functional irc program if you'[re looking to get xdccs from it also?
18:19<DaCapn>gnome-volume-control
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18:26<Cackette>Hey
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18:30<oddtod>hey
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18:31<chum1>hey
18:32<phogg>it's a great day for hey
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18:36<oreste>hay alguien?
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18:41<kop>Cackette: I always use wodin. Others use k2b (iirc)
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18:45<leonidas>Dacapn, I think I was right because only the GIU from the Alsa Mixer works to control the sound. I have set the gnome-volume -control but it has no control over the sound
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18:46<DaCapn>is gnome-volume-control using the correct sound device?
18:47<chum1>hey guys i'm having issues mounting a cdrom
18:47<DaCapn>because I use gnome-volume control with alsa just fine
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18:47<leonidas>I have got only speakers connected to it. But when I tried "speaker-test" it couldnt play any sound
18:47<chum1>its a dvd with files on it and i'm getting wrong fs type
18:48<leonidas>though, when I play movies I have sound in my speakers
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18:53<Guest1696>Hey! I'm having a problem with my wireless! It's probably a super easy problem but I'm a super noob so yeah. I got my wireless card working (bcm43xx) the problem comes when connecting to my router. It does someting called DCHPDISCOVERY or something like that i dunno, and well when it tried this it tried at 255.255.255.255 and well thats not my router and what i do know about networking is...
18:53<Guest1696>...that dhcp thingy needs to request it from my router (or something) how do i set that? (im using windows atm so if i could have some advice to write down till i boot into linux)(yes i love brackets)
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19:04<dondelelcaro>Guest1696: 255.255.255.255 is the broadcast address.
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19:05<dondelelcaro>Guest1696: so it sending packets there is perfectly reasonable, since it doens't know where the dhcp server is, nor does it know what its address should be
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19:06<Guest1696>but ive set the ESSID and WEP key does it need more information and how would i set that?
19:06<dondelelcaro>Guest1696: assuming it actually managed to associate with your wireless router, it should be ok.
19:07<Guest1696>but all it does it keep trying the dhcpdiscovery thing over and over
19:08<Guest1696>i know my routers fine because ive have it on this laptop and my desktop and the xbox 360
19:08<dondelelcaro>Guest1696: if it's just doing that, then odds are it hasn't actually managed to associate with the router.
19:08<dondelelcaro>Guest1696: check the output of iwconfig -a; and iwlist wirelessdevicename scan;
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19:12<Guest1696>ok what am i looking for? ill have to boot it up, ive got it dual boot with windows (which im on now)
19:14<kirkroy>I've tried using dselect and aptitude to fix my gcc problem, but to no avail. I'm told the problem with my gcc is instalation or configuring problem. Where can I go or what can I do to find more specifically what's wrong?
19:14<kop>Is there any way to tell what file is being used to boot an eltorito cd, given the iso? isoinfo -d gives the offset of the boot catalog, but I've already got the boot catalog. I think I need a tool to look inside the boot catalog.
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19:15<noname001>kirkroy: what kind of problem do you have with your gcc
19:15<noname001>?
19:15<kirkroy>gcc can't make executables.
19:16<noname001>gccname_of_the_file.c -o output does not work at all
19:16<noname001>or what
19:17<kirkroy>I type in ./configure, and there's where I get my error message.
19:17<noname001>sorry I think I have missed something here
19:17<noname001>you are saying that you can't make executable files
19:17<noname001>yes ?
19:18<kirkroy>exactly.
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19:18<noname001>so what for you want to use ./conffigure
19:18<noname001>?
19:18<kirkroy>for circlemud.
19:18<noname001>if you have your code ready
19:18<kirkroy>I know the mud works, the code is fine. it's the compiler.
19:19<noname001>so can you tell me how you are trying to compile this
19:19<noname001>?
19:19<noname001>exact command
19:19<noname001>plese
19:19<noname001>please
19:19<kirkroy>./configure
19:19<kirkroy>from the mud root folder.
19:20<noname001>ok first of all do you have any compiler installed on your system
19:20<kirkroy>I'm told in dselect I have gcc installed.
19:20<noname001>and second what ver of debian are you using
19:21<noname001>apg-get install gcc
19:21<noname001>apg-get install gcc g++ make
19:21<kirkroy>not sure what version. Whatever the newest netinst CD gives you.I think that's it.
19:21<noname001>type in uname -a
19:21<noname001>please
19:22<noname001>or just check your /etc/apt/source/list
19:22<kirkroy>2.6.18-5-486
19:22<noname001>ok that is you kernel
19:22<noname001>and now please check your source.list
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19:23<noname001>and after gcc -v
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19:24<noname001>?
19:24<noname001>and
19:24<kirkroy>I think that did it, it's installing libraries now.
19:24<noname001>:)
19:24<kirkroy>thank you, for now. I'm sure I need these libraries either way, hoopefully that did iut.
19:25<noname001>aNY TIME
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19:26<kirkroy>*grin*
19:26<kirkroy>that's it!! thank you very much.
19:26<kirkroy>*bows*
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19:28<noname001>:)
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19:29<jdm64> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today says that Partitioning is broken for Dec 30. Does the partitioner work on the Dec 29 netinstall cd?
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19:31<kop>noname001: He'll have a fewer problems with orphaned packages if you told him to use aptitude instead of apt-get. (In etch, I hear lenny apt-get has changed.)
19:31<kop>jdm64 : You really want to use the development version of the installer?
19:31<jdm64>I want to install "testing" not stable.
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19:32<kop>jdm64 : You can use the regular installer to install testing, I'm pretty sure.
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19:32<alberto_gs>hi everybody
19:32<kop>jdm64 : I could be wrong. Maybe take a gander at the install manual at debian.org.
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19:33<alberto_gs>anyone here used kismet?
19:33<kaner>yes
19:33<kop>!tell alberto_gs -about ask
19:34<simonrvn>no
19:34<simonrvn>!anyone use
19:34<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
19:34<shardz_ez>how can i see connection(download) speeds in a command line?
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19:35<kaner>shardz_ez: iptraf?
19:36<jdm64>Well, I just downloaded the daily net install cd (dec 30) and the partitioner doesn't work. I checked http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today and it said that partitioning was broken for Dec 30; What I want to know is if the partitioning is working on the Dec 29 cd?
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19:36<shardz_ez>command not found
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19:36<gsimmons>!installit
19:36<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
19:37<Joe_>ok im back i tried iwconfig and iwlist
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19:37<shardz_ez>yeah, i know i could install it, i was jsut thinking there was some CLI standard app
19:38<Joe_>when i tried iwlist it came up with all the right details execpt nothing about the WEP key i am using. and the mode was set to open security. so i tried iwlist key; and it came up with 4 different encryption types none of which were WEP is that normal?
19:38<alberto_gs>i need to read information from .dump files
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19:55<Cyorxamp>Umm, has anyone else noticed the Debian 4.0 XFCE CD1 r1 disc isn't bootable?
19:56<Cyorxamp>I've made several copies using several different PC's/Burners/Makes of disc, and its not just me having the problem
19:57<gsimmons>Cyorxamp: Which architecture?
19:57<Cyorxamp>i386
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19:58<Cyorxamp>I had no problem with the AMD64 disc
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19:58<Cyorxamp>r0 version of the i386 disc boots fine tho, its just r1 that I think is the issue
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20:11<Tead>hi all
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20:22<bebin>i installed bootsplash my debian etch but not working whats the problem
20:23<Cyorxamp>gsimmons: Infact having said that since using r1 I've had numerous issues that wern't in r0 - maybe its more than just boot
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20:23<Cyorxamp>It barely ever recognizes ACPI commands, freezes, network won't come up some times - odd things
20:24<Cyorxamp>Installing r0 anyway and it'll just have to upgrade itself
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20:26<Tead>I've installend 4.0r1 on my system with 2GB mem, but debian is inds only 886 MB, must i recompile the kernel with CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G on, or is there an other trick
20:26<Tead>my bios finds the whole 2 GB btw
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20:29<gsimmons>Tead: What output do you receive for "uname -r" ?
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20:29<spiritus>grep Total /proc/meminfo ?
20:29<Tead>2.6.18-5-486
20:30<Tead>MemTotal: 906792 kB
20:30<gsimmons>Tead: The 486 kernels don't have HIGMEM support.
20:30<Tead>hmmmz...
20:30<gsimmons>s/HIGMEM/HIGHMEM/
20:30<Tead>ok, thnx
20:30<spiritus>$ grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686
20:30<spiritus># CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
20:30<spiritus>CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
20:30<spiritus># CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
20:30<spiritus>CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
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20:31<mikes1>How do I configure wifi in lenny as there appears to be no 'netcardconfig"?
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20:31<gsimmons>Tead: You'd want to install the -686 or -k7 kernel image variants, depending on the processor type in your system.
20:32<Tead>its a Athlon XP 2000+, so i guess the -k7
20:32<mikes1>!netcardconfig
20:32<dpkg>http://drbl.nchc.org.tw/debian/download/script/netcardconfig
20:33<bebin>how to install bootsplash in debian etch
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20:34<Tead>what is the fastes way to install the k7 kernel? I dont need to reinstall debian right?
20:35<gsimmons>Cyorxamp: Not sure about your other issues, but I'm able to boot the 4.0r1 XFCE CD without problem here. Did you verify the MD5 sum of your image?
20:35<Cyorxamp>gsimmons: Yes downloaded it lots of times, I'm sure at least once I checked the MD5
20:35<gsimmons>Tead: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7
20:35<Cyorxamp>This is at work and at home - so it's highly unlikely I'd have made bad disks at both locations
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20:36<Tead>gsimmons: thnx
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20:37<Tead>first time with more then 512 MB on Debian
20:37<Tead>:)
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20:38<KuArMaN>hi hi hi
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20:50<[gloom]>hi there!
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20:51<[gloom]>can anyone give a hand with a patch file?
20:51<[gloom]>http://pastebin.ca/839520
20:52<[gloom]>I'm trying to make the patch manually cause the patch command fails because the main files have changed
20:52<[gloom]>and I'm not sure about the syntax on the patch file
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20:59<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: uh... why not just apply what you can, then look at the rejects, apply them manually, then recreate the patch from the original files and the now patched files?
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21:00<dondelelcaro>(you can even try to reduce the number of rejects by increasing the amount of fuzz allowed)
21:00<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: there are only a few lines to patch. As you cans ee in the pastebin, the patch is pretty short, and only on .h files, so it should be easy to do it manually
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21:01<[gloom]>my problem, is that I don't know the syntax of the patching file. For example, line 20, what does the "!" symbol mean?
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21:05<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: that's just a context diff. It means that those lines have changed in between the two files.
21:06<chum1>hey guys how would i mount a samba file share on a linux machine i've been using mount -t smbfs //computername/share /mnt/hello
21:06<chum1>but its been reporting back telling me there is a bad file system
21:07<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: so the only really meaning symbols are + and -. The lines that don't have those symbols are only for pattern matching?
21:08<witte>chum1: what is the exact error message?
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21:10<[gloom]>aha, ok now I understand. + is added, - is removed, and ! is changed
21:10<chum1>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //solution/Movies/movies/1408,
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21:11<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: +- are part of the unified diff format. You're looking at a contextual diff.
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21:11<[gloom]>dondelelcaro: ok, thx
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21:12<dondelelcaro>[gloom]: if you're totally lost, look at the wikipedia article on diff
21:12<witte>chum1: did you install smbfs
21:12<witte>chum1: apt-get install smbfs
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21:13<chum1>no i'm an idiot i just figured it came wiht samba or smbclient
21:13<chum1>thanks witte
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21:13<witte>chum1: glad i could help ;-)
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21:14<chum1>is there any way i can make it so root isn't the only one who can mount filesystems?
21:14<witte>chum1: put it in /etc/fstab; and make it user mountable
21:15<witte>chum1: that is with option user
21:15<chum1>thanks
21:16<witte>chum1: maybe you also want to create a credentials file (look at this in the man of mount)
21:18<witte>chum1: in fact, this howto looks ideal for you http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/linux_as_a_client_to_windows_smb_shares.html
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21:19<[gloom]>brb
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21:19<chum1>mount -t smbfs -o username=chump,password=****** //solution/Movies/ /mnt/1408/
21:19<chum1> mount -t smbfs -o username=chump,password=now123t //solution/Movies/ /mnt/1408/
21:20<chum1>10262: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)
21:20<chum1>gives me that error
21:20<witte>chum1: does your pc know which pc is solution?
21:20<witte>chum1: or you give an ip address, or you add solution to /etc/hosts
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21:21<witte>chum1: i guess you do not have a local dns server?
21:21<bernardo>hhhello what's up?
21:22<chum1>no i can ping him just fine and when i use smbclient he comes up i'll try and use just ip though
21:22<witte>chum1: ping solution works?
21:23<chum1>yep
21:23<chum1>wait maybe not
21:23<chum1>swear it was this morning
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21:35<witte>chum1: does it work now?
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21:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:04<geekunit>Am I missing something? When I added my ntfs-3g partition in fstab I put 'user' as an option. But KDE says only root can mount it
22:04<geekunit>Is it because the mount point was created by root?
22:05<geekunit>nope.. crap
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22:09<dondelelcaro>geekunit: can you mount it from the command line?
22:11<kevind23>I have a logitech mouse that has a 4th button on the side, that winblows treated as a back shortcut.. X and X apps treat this as the scroll wheel it's really getting annoying, is there any way to fix this or does Linux/Xorg not support back buttons on mice?
22:11<geekunit>dondelelcaro: well, i changed permissions of /dev/sda1 and the moint point for everyone. now i get the error, /dev/fuse - permission denied. But I also added myself to the fuse user group
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22:11<dondelelcaro>geekunit: first, change back the permisions of /dev/sda1.
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22:11<terefere>list
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22:12<dondelelcaro>geekunit: the permisions of the device nor the permisions of the mountpoint have anything to do with who can actually mount a filesystem
22:14<geekunit>dondelelcaro: ok, those were changed back
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22:16<geekunit>dondelelcaro: think it could ahve anything to do with ntfs-3g?
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22:17<dondelelcaro>geekunit: now, what is the precise entry in /etc/fstab and what is the precise error you get when you try mount /mnt/mountpout; as your user?
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22:18<witte>kevind23: i know it is supported, but i don't know how to do it
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22:19<kevind23>witte: yeah, someone on freenode linked me to a tutorial for his mouse, I'm gonna look it over and see what I can do..
22:19<geekunit> /dev/sda1 /mnt/NTFS ntfs-3g user,noauto 0 0
22:19<geekunit>Error opening partition device: Permission denied
22:19<witte>kevind23: well, i just typed "multiple mouse buttons linux" in google and i got a bunch o results...
22:20<kevind23>heh
22:21<geekunit>dondelelcaro: apparently, lots of people are having this problem
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22:22<geekunit>dondelelcaro: supposedly, changing the permissions of ntfs-3g work. I wonder if it's safe
22:22<dondelelcaro>geekunit: and what does ls -l /bin/mount and /bin/fuser; say?
22:22<witte>Question; if i have glxgears running full screen, i have 39 FPS. This seems quite low. The card is a radeon 7500 pci with 64MB, the config is a dual head 2* 1280*1024 TFT (on on DVI, one on VGA). Running sid with newest kernel and xserver
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22:24<geekunit>dondelcaro: both are read/execute for all users, write for root
22:24<dondelelcaro>geekunit: what about mount?
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22:24<geekunit>dondelelcaro: same thing
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22:24<dondelelcaro>geekunit: what is the precise output for mount?
22:25<geekunit>dondelelcaro: changing ntfs-3g to 755 worked fine though
22:25<witte>Xorg.0.log is here: http://pastebin.ca/839629
22:25<dondelelcaro>geekunit: which ntfs-3g?
22:25<geekunit>-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 66152 2007-10-02 00:39 /bin/mount
22:25<dondelelcaro>geekunit: the s there is what I wanted to know. Ok.
22:25<dondelelcaro>(mount has to be setuid root for user mounting to work at all)
22:25<geekunit>did you really want me to type which ntfs-3g? /usr/bin/ntfs-3g ;)
22:26<dondelelcaro>geekunit: uh... are you actually running Debian?
22:26<dondelelcaro>(because /usr/bin/ntfs-3g is always 755)
22:27<geekunit>dondelelcaro: I'm running lenny. the exact command that fixed stuff was chmod 4755 $(which ntfs-3g)
22:28<geekunit>dondelelcaro: I know what mount 755 means, what's 4755?
22:28<dondelelcaro>geekunit: yeah, that makes ntfs-3g setuid root, but that shouldn't be necessary.
22:28<witte>ah, and a question related to the former one, is it possible that this is the cause for my pc to crash on a regular basis (once a day?)
22:29<dondelelcaro>geekunit: you need to info coreutils 'File Permissions'
22:29<geekunit>dondelelcaro: how do I change it back? ntfs-3g that is?
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22:30<witte>could it be that my graphics card is just to slow (i notice that it is quite slow at moments) and it crashes mostly when running youtube or lousy websites (but i can not yet find a thing that will trigger the lockup for sure)
22:30<witte>I did test the memory with memtest for +/- an hour, and that seemed ok, so maybe the video card memory is broken?
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22:33<geekunit>dondelelcaro: removed the guid bit for security. i'll keep searching to see why it doesn't give permissions
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22:35<dondelelcaro>geekunit: if you strace the mount call, it should be more clear
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22:37<zedboy>hmmm, how do I tell it to just use arch i386 when I alien the flash player RPMs?
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22:37<witte>zedboy: why are you using alien and rpm's?
22:37<witte>!flash
22:37<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
22:37<witte>!adobe flash
22:37<dpkg>Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
22:38<zedboy>witte: force of habit?
22:38<xman>!flashplugin-nonfree
22:38<dpkg>rumour has it, flashplugin-nonfree is the debian package to install the adobe flash player, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
22:39<witte>zedboy: bad habit :-)
22:39<witte>zedboy: look at the things dpkg told, and you can just use the debian stuff :-)
22:40<xman>witte: actually, it kinda leaves you with the x86_64 problem as well
22:40<noname001>listen
22:40<xman>you can't install flashplugin-nonfree on x86_64
22:40<zedboy>witte: already installing
22:40<witte>xman: yes, but there are solutions for that as well, and zedboy asked for the i386 architecture, so he was safe ;-)
22:40<xman>oops
22:40<zedboy>witte: It's hard when you've been setting the bits right on the hard drive yourself with a flint knife for so many years ...
22:41<noname001>is it posiblility to run gtk program remotely without vnc or other shit server
22:41<zedboy>witte: I dunno if I'll ever get used to this "keyboard" thing
22:41<xman>i assumed the original question (how to force arch) was because he was on x86_64
22:41<zedboy>noname001: ssh -X?
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22:41<noname001>thanks
22:41<noname001>I will try
22:42<witte>xman: ok, could be that i misread the question
22:42<witte>zedboy: which architecture do you have?
22:42<zedboy>xman is correct.
22:42<witte>you have amd64 running?
22:42<zedboy>witte: unless 2.6.22 is a pathalogical liar
22:42<xman>zedboy: what browser do you use?
22:42<zedboy>Linux belvoir 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP
22:43<zedboy>xman: iceweasel?
22:43<witte>zedboy: did you ask dpkg about nspluginwrapper?
22:43<witte>!nspluginwrapper
22:43<dpkg>nspluginwrapper is probably a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/
22:43<zedboy>witte: I'm reading the man page now.
22:43<zedboy>fortunately I know that I want to put a stupid little .so file into my /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins/ directory :)
22:44[~]zedboy downloads the tgz
22:44<xman>didn't know about this one
22:44[~]xman has been using Opera with the 32-bit operapluginwrapper binary to run Flash on x86_64 for a long time
22:44<witte>zedboy: which tgz? there are debs?
22:44<zedboy>witte: the one from the Adobe website?
22:45<witte>zedboy: are you downloading it yourself, or are you using apt-get to install flashplugin-nonfree?
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22:46<xman>witte: the latter you can't do on x86_64
22:46<zedboy>witte: i just downloaded it. But I'm getting an error from nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so
22:46<xman>that one is i386 only
22:46<witte>xman: not if he has installed nspluginwrapper by now
22:46<xman>whatever. the package itself is not available for i386
22:46<witte>xman: you are right
22:47<witte>i just read some page on the web, that there is no package for that
22:47<zedboy>xman: *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libflashplayer.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
22:47<xman>(which is a bug imho. the package should be available on x86_64 as well and depend on nspluginwrapper on that arch)
22:47<xman>zedboy: ldd libflashplayer.so
22:47<zedboy>xman: i did that, it's fine.
22:48<xman>this is your typical problem when you install stuff yourself, without a package
22:48<witte>xman: i was thinking that they would have had it by now
22:48<xman>what, does ldd find everything that's needed?
22:48<zedboy>xman: yeah
22:48<xman>strace nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so
22:49<zedboy>xman: I think this is just God fearsome wrath on x64 people.
22:49<zedboy>xman: because I've been using flash on linux for i think like a decade
22:49<zedboy>(no lightning bolts so far)
22:50[~]xman doubts there was flash for linux available a decade ago
22:50<zedboy>xman: oh there we go.
22:50<zedboy>xman: just added a ./ and it was happy
22:50<xman>cool
22:50[~]zedboy 's machine at work seems to be down and he can't get his zshrc
22:51<witte>zedboy: well god should leave linux people alone, and start bugging flash people
22:51<witte>was there flash a decade ago? :-)
22:51<zedboy>hmm, tho my flashy website isn't loading very well
22:52<xman>witte: they're providing the x86_64 arch for flushplugin-nonfree in unstable
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22:52<zedboy>witte: It's my own fault. Flash is for sure the opposite of anything productive. He thinks I should stop wasting time and get to work.
22:52<zedboy>ooooh
22:53<xman>witte: a decade ago, Macromedia released Flash 2.0. Not on Linux, for sure.
22:53<witte>xman: that could be reasonable, etch amd64 was quite new when they released it, so i imagine that the did not bother about flash at that moment
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22:53<xman>many things still suck on amd64 in this regard
22:53<witte>xman: just checked, flash was introduced in 1996
22:54<zedboy>xman: i was doing flash on linux by 1999 w/o question
22:54<xman>i think the first version for linux was 7
22:54<zedboy>hmm, iceweasel still hasn't noticed the flash plugin
22:54<witte>I am sure i was not using flash on linux 10 years ago, i only use linux for about 5 years
22:54<xman>does it find npwrapper.so?
22:55<clone>my flash won't go full screen, I think I might have to install direct from adobe, but I have installing w/out debian
22:55<witte>clone: the debian flash is just a wrapper around the adobe file
22:55<zedboy>xman about:plugins doesn't list anything. But i have libflashplayer.so in the plugin directory, maybe that's messing it up. one sec.
22:55<witte>clone: in theory that should be the same thing
22:56<xman>zedboy: it's not libflashplayer.so that you should have in the plugin directory but npwrapper.so.
22:57<xman>clone: fullscreen problems might be a browser bug
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22:57<xman>clone: we fixed one like that in Opera recently
22:57<zedboy>xman: yeah and i just got rid of e/t and re-ran nspluginwrapper -i and now they're both there but iceweasel still isn't listing it.
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22:57<witte>clone: the debian package just makes sure everything is standing in its correct spot and that it is updated whenever there is a new versino
22:57[~]xman doesn't have that much experience in getting mozilla to load plugins
22:58[~]xman works for Opera Software
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22:58<zedboy>xman: oh, sorry :)
22:58<kevind23>then, xman, explain why there isn't a stable x86_64 build of Opera :p
22:58<zedboy>xman: i mena, that I'm not using your software
23:00<xman>kevind23: because x86_64 is new. but there are x86_64 builds in the works
23:00<xman>zedboy: i'm not saying everyone should use it
23:00<kevind23>I had a x86_64 build on Ubuntu a while back, but it was ugly and very functional
23:00<xman>kevind23: they're getting better, that was an early alpha probably
23:00<kevind23>er, *not* very functional
23:01<kevind23>(though I must say, getting nspluginwrapper to work on firefox was no joy either)
23:01<zedboy>xman: I really need to use IE6.
23:01<clone>witte, so I must create a symbolic link?
23:01<xman>zedboy: good luck with that on linux
23:01<zedboy>kevind23: any brilliant hints?
23:01<kevind23>zedboy: IE? ew! but wine?
23:02<zedboy>Unfortunately I have to make sure everything I write works for the 30% of poor suckers still using IE6....
23:02<kevind23>I virtualize windows for Photoshop, so I use IE there if I need to test a web design, but other than that, I don't know what to tell you
23:02<witte>clone: a symbolic link? to what?
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23:03<zedboy>Oh it's ok, I have a few people in the office whose machines still have it (tho I really should develop on it)
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23:03<clone>witte, cause you were explaining that my browser isn't finding a file in the right place
23:03<witte>clone: i do not think i did that
23:03<witte>clone: let me reread everything, it is 5 in the morning here
23:03<clone>witte, ok, thanks, sorry, I went to the washroom, sorry for the delayed response
23:04<witte>clone: do you have i386 or amd64?
23:04<clone>i686
23:04<witte>clone: you can just install the flashplugin-nonfree
23:04<kevind23>zedboy: If you have a windows box with IE7 you can get something called Multiple IE (http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE), it's very useful if you're into web design ^^
23:04<witte>clone: it is a debian package, you just need to have the debian non-free sources
23:04<clone>witte, I have flash working, its just the full screen option
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23:04<zedboy>kevind23: hmm, hadn't heard of that
23:05<xman>zedboy: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/multiIE.html
23:05<kevind23>zedboy: You don't need IE7, any IE version will work, but it lets you use older versions as well
23:05<witte>clone: well, it works on my pc, at least for youtube
23:05<clone>witte, ok I am gonna see if I have the nonfree version installed
23:06<zedboy>kevind23: whoa
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23:06<kevind23>I don't understand microsuck's attachment with its terrible rendering engine; if they don't want to preinstall Firefox or Opera instead of IE then why don't they just use Gecko
23:06<witte>clone: do you have stable?
23:06<clone>witte, yes
23:07<xman>kevind23: they actually claim to have fixed it, and that development builds of IE8 even pass Acid2
23:07<kevind23>xman: HAH! I seriously doubt that
23:07<kevind23>Not even Firefox passes Acid2, just KHTML and Opera as far as I know..
23:07<clone>witte, I can't find flashplugin-nonfree
23:07<xman>that is, when their new "super-standards mode" is triggered, which means that all of today's pages will still be rendered with the current engine with frozen bugs
23:07[~]zedboy 's stuff mostly works on IE7 (so far...)
23:08<witte>!adobe flash
23:08<dpkg>Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>.
23:08<kevind23>clone: what are you trying to do? you can get a tarball of flash on macr-- Adobe's website
23:08<zedboy>xman: it's a great strategy: keep the bug for long enough for it to count as a feature.
23:08<clone>kevind23, I don't like to install without debian
23:08<witte>it seems you have to use the one from backports, or the one from debian-multimedia when you are in stable
23:09<zedboy>Next order of business: what happened to edge-flipping in sawfish?
23:09<witte>kevind23: it is nicer if he uses the debian packages. In that way he will receive automatic updates
23:09<xman>zedboy: http://files.myopera.com/freejerk/files/bug-feature.jpg
23:10<kevind23>witte: true, I just have amd64 so I have to do it the hard way :p
23:10<zedboy>xman: oh, hehe, I thought you had a bead on the sawfish thing, I was going to be *really* impressed.
23:10[~]xman uses ion3 for wm
23:10<kevind23>and I've been meaning to ask you, is monodevelop in any of debian's repos? for whatever reason my ISP blocks the official mono debian repo and meebey's unstable repo doesn't have all the dependencies I need for it :(
23:15<witte>kevind23: mono-devel is my list when i do apt-cache search mono
23:15<witte>kevind23: and monodevelop also :-)
23:15<witte>kevind23: the list was just a bit long, i did not notice it at first sight
23:15<witte>kevind23: i use sid btw, i will check if it is also in stable
23:15<witte>kevind23: ok, it is not
23:15|-|witte kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:16<kevind23>O_o; mass highlight
23:16<Supaplex>!tell witte about enter
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23:16<kevind23>witte: lol flood.. um, I use sid too, but I couldn't find monodevelop, then again apt won't let me use the unstable repos x(
23:16<witte>kevind23: ok, got kicked due to a strange delay, again
23:17<kevind23>lag? heh.. but still.. let me search for it again
23:17<witte>kevind23: i do not know what you all got
23:17<witte>kevind23: you can always try a simple sid backport
23:17<kevind23>oooor I could compile from source
23:18<kevind23>yeah I can't find it
23:18<witte>!tell kevind23 about simple sid backport
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23:19<kevind23>witte: if monodevelop isn't in my repo to begin with how does that help me?
23:21<witte>kevind23: monodevelop is not in etch. But it is in sid (and should be in your sid repo) so you could build the deb files using the thing that dpkg told you, using the sid source and etch libraries
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23:21<witte>kevind23: that is how i understand it
23:21<zedboy>wow
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23:21<zedboy>my dad's internet connection is fast
23:21<kevind23>thanks for sharing (not really)
23:23<zedboy>kevind23: i live in canadian exile, so my little visit here to the DC area is why i'm finally installing debian
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23:33<DaCapn>anyone ever have trouble with sata drives with debian etch installer?
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23:36<kess77>net so much that my problem was with the drive itself, but that I was trying to mix ide and sata together
23:37<kess77>I ended up with two master drives
23:37<kess77>made things a bit of a mess
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23:38<DaCapn>I'm trying to put 2 sata and 2 ide into raid5 but am having a hard time getting all of the drives to detect, is that similar to the trouble you had?
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23:39<FelipeSouza>please, what's the file that contains all installed packages??
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23:40<kess77>the problem I had was that debian has decided to change drive address format for ide
23:41<kess77>used to be ide drives were hda, hdb, etc
23:41<kess77>in etch ide drives are now sda, sdb, etc.
23:42<DaCapn>are they?
23:42<kess77>they get confused with sata drives which are also assigned sda, sdb, etc
23:42<DaCapn>they don't appear to be in my last 3 etch installations, and they don't appear to be in this one that's not exactly working
23:42<bjb>FelipeSouza: /var/lib/dpkg/available
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23:43<gurpreet>hi
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23:44<gurpreet>how can i know the name of process who owns a particular port
23:44<FelipeSouza>bjb, thx
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23:44<bjb>gurpreet, netstat -ltunp
23:45<bjb>gurpreet, or even netstat -plaunt
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23:46<bjb>g'night ... you caught me just as I was going to bed
23:47<gurpreet>bjb, got it. xmms2d is downloading something heavily from "screlay-ntc0s-1.shoutcast.com.8020"
23:48<gurpreet>i just noticed it from my conky graphs and checked it with tcpdump
23:49<gurpreet>i don't know why is it doing so, its still downloading
23:51<twb>gurpreet: that could be the et module
23:51<gurpreet>et module?
23:52<gurpreet>twb, what is et module for?
23:52<twb>When xmms crashes, it sends a report (without asking) to the developers
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23:52<twb>Looking at the URL, this now seems unlikely
23:53<gurpreet>twb, xmms2 didnt crashed. and it was not sending but downloading. that too not from developers but from shoutcast ppl
23:54<twb>If it's downloading, then presumably it's downloading an audio stream.
23:54<gurpreet>twb, yes, but because xmms was stopped and my playlist was empty this also seems unlikely
23:54<macdeem>gurpreet, man ps
23:55<macdeem>gurpreet, hey, did you get mc problem fixed?
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23:55<gurpreet>macdeem, why man ps? nope, didn't found any fix
23:56<macdeem>I know there is option for ps that will prints processes and its owners
23:56<macdeem>along wit ports
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23:56<twb>ps f
23:56<macdeem>netstat should work too though
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