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---Logopened Mon Dec 31 00:00:35 2007
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00:16<geekunit>the ultimate question: is it safe to browse porn in debian?
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00:23<lupine_85>geekunit: depends on context
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00:28<geekunit>lupine_85: Are there ways for Iceweasel to become infected by spyware?
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00:29<lupine_85>well, yes. It's a Mozilla-based browser, so subject to the limitations of that codebase
00:30<blarson>geekunit: I woudn't trust a flash or java site. And don't download plugins.
00:30<blarson>disabling javascript is also a good idea.
00:32<Supaplex>spyware is for hoozerz
00:32<blarson>but that's just general web browsing parinoia.
00:35<twb>I find it easier to just not use a browser that supports js, css, flash, iframes, java, or any other stupid "dynamic content" wankery that people use to attack users ads and spyware
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00:36[~]Supaplex <3 elinks
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00:45<mikes1>knetworkmanager keeps dropping wifi connection ,Is this a known bug?
00:45<lupine_85>that'd be driver dependent, not knetworkmanager dependent
00:46<lupine_85>or, you know, signal quality dependent
00:46<mikes1>signal is good ,,might be madwifi ,,works fine in Sidux
00:47<lupine_85>mm, older drivers in stable
00:47<lupine_85>madwifi have always been good to me, though
00:47[~]lupine_85 glares at rt2500-source a bit
00:47<mikes1>working fine in Sid
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00:48<lupine_85>then again, I was stumped by a dusty PCI port for 3 hours
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00:49<mikes1>lupine_85, knetworkmanager keeps prompting for a passphrase ,How can I stop/disable that
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00:49<mikes1>dhcp only @ the no
00:49<mikes1>mo
00:50<lupine_85>give it the passphrase it needs?
00:50<lupine_85>I don't use it - /etc/network/interfaces is there for a reason, after all
00:51<xsdg>:o)
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00:52<xae>hello
00:52<xae>how would i install libc for etch?
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00:52<xae>to install the nvidia driver :\
00:53<lupine_85>haha
00:53<twb>libc is already installed in etch.
00:53<lupine_85>breaking debian 101
00:53<twb>If libc isn't available, you won't be able to run programs to install it
00:53<lupine_85>!nvidia one-liner
00:53<dpkg>somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
00:54<lupine_85>xae: you really don't want to update etch's libc to a non-etch version
00:54<twb>A fun way to kill your system is "mv /lib64 /lib64~ && cp -a /lib /lib64"
00:54<lupine_85>twb: that's recoverable
00:54<twb>lupine_85: I used a livecd
00:54<lupine_85>I used LD_PRELOAD
00:54[~]twb no understand LD_PRELOAD
00:55<lupine_85>I was migrating an ubuntu server to debian and didn't want to reboot it
00:55<lupine_85>so I built the debian server in a chroot, then moved all the stuff over
00:55<lupine_85>only I forgot about /lib
00:55<twb>I was trying to trick dpkg_shlibdeps into working
00:56<lupine_85>so it'd complain about a missing library, and I'd have to LD_PRELOAD=/chroot/lib/... my-command
00:56<lupine_85>spent 2 hours trying to get mv to work
00:56<lupine_85>finally got it all working to my satisfaction, closed the ssh session... then remembered I'd forgotton to set a root password
00:56<lupine_85>d'oh
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00:57<twb>Hehe
00:57<lupine_85>good times, good times :D
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01:11<xae>im on kernel 2.4
01:11<xae>can someone oneline me a guide to updating my kernel? :)
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01:16<twb>If I'm not using X, how do I put a machine into S3 (or S1) ACPI suspension?
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01:20<twb>I've only ever done it via the dinky GNOME ui before
01:20<xae>lupine_85 that oneliner isn't working for me
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01:21<xae>maybe i need to edit sources.list
01:22<Guest1731>hey! im having a problem with wireless, im using ubuntu 7.10 and i followed the advice to get my bcm4318 drivers installed and i can see my card when i do iwconfig
01:23<Guest1731>but when i do this it gives me this error on anything i try to set
01:23<Guest1731>joe@joes-laptop:~$ iwconfig eth1 essid HomeNetwork
01:23<Guest1731>Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
01:23<Guest1731> SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not permitted.
01:23<xae>!help
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01:28<joe_>sorry i DCed im the one with the wireless problem =]
01:29<dondelelcaro>joe_: you have to set the essid as root
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01:30<joe_>i cant get into root tho
01:31<joe_>im a complete noob with linux though i tried su; but when i put the password it it said auth failed (along those lines)
01:31<joe_>im using ubuntu 7.10, i had debain etch before and i got it working, but i wanted a change and installd this, now its not working
01:33<streuner>!ubuntu
01:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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01:34<joe_>umm ok im sorry, haha i feel quite unwelcome now, like gang culture. ill leave =]
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01:41<BaD_CrC>i have a stipud question to ask. is there a way to beat the weird setup i have on this laptop and get it working with debian? i have an acer aspire 5610z laptop, and it has an atheros chip (supported in madwifi) for wireless and bcm4401 (ndiswrapper maybe?) for wired ethernet.
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01:42<BaD_CrC>s/stipud/stupid/
01:42<dondelelcaro>BaD_CrC: beat it in what way? both of those devices should work fine
01:42<Supaplex>I'd take native over ndiswrapper. madwifi afaik is pretty stable.
01:43<BaD_CrC>i've installed etch/lenny/sid, and all 3 say they can't detect the network.
01:44<BaD_CrC>for some reason, d-i won't let me continue to install from cd.
01:45<BaD_CrC>i've tried it in both expert and expertgui with no luck
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01:45<Supaplex>I wonder if anyone else with an install report provided extra info. have you asked the #debian-boot folks? They're idle, but they'll try to answer your question eventually.
01:45<Supaplex>s/They're idle/They may be idle/
01:45<xae>how to install the nvidia kernel
01:45<BaD_CrC>how about mailing lists?
01:46<xae>or where can i get a guide to configuring my sources.list
01:46<Supaplex>!tell xae -about sources.list
01:46<Supaplex>!tell xae -about nvidia
01:46<xae>ty
01:47<xae>but what if i have those sources listed..
01:47<BaD_CrC>heh, i made a simple guide not too long ago. lemme get the url
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01:47<BaD_CrC>http://john-os.blogspot.com/2007/11/best-way-to-add-new-software.html
01:47<Supaplex>xae: you're trying to build and/or install the nvidia kernel module, right?
01:47<xae>debian says that nvidia-kernel-2.6- wasnt found
01:47<xae>i'm on 2.4 though..
01:48<Supaplex>you're still on sarge or earlier?
01:48<BaD_CrC>nvidia-kernel-old
01:48<xae>its etch but the disc was sarge
01:48<xae>dunno
01:48<Supaplex>you should be using a 2.6 kernel anyway
01:49<xae>i'm really rusty with linux atm
01:49<gsimmons>BaD_CrC: You won't need ndiswrapper for your wired NIC. The BCM4401-B0 chipset is supported by the b44 kernel driver.
01:49<Supaplex>xae: review the release notes, and ensure you've correctly upgraded everything to etch.
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01:49<Supaplex>!tell xae -about sarge->etch
01:50<Supaplex>bbiaf
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01:50<xae>2.4.27-2-386
01:50<BaD_CrC>gsimmons: i took lenny dvd-1 and tried installing it, no good
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01:50<BaD_CrC>maybe it's just this laptop
01:51<xae>
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02:03<nirmala>hai
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02:13<twb>For the record, the answer to my question was apt-get install uswsusp && s2disk
02:13<ruby>alloo
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02:20<twb>Given a MAC address, how can I work out what the vendor and model of the NIC is?
02:20<twb>There's a lookup table somewhere but I forget where.
02:20<twb>For exampe, 01-00-0c-29-c8-b0-cf is a VMware guest's virtual NIC.
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02:24<tvm>yo
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02:25<Supaplex>twb: arpwatch has a database for it.
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02:34<csupka91>hello! somebody speak hungarian?
02:34<twb>!hg
02:34<twb>!hu
02:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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02:38<twb>arpwatch: /usr/share/arpwatch/ethercodes.dat
02:38<twb>Thanks
02:39<istoc>How can I check/change what group a user belongs to? Thanks.
02:39<kmap>istoc: groups <user>
02:39<twb>usermod, surely
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02:39<istoc>Thanks
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02:41<istoc>Is it customary to have a group for users, administrators etc? I see a group of the user's name.
02:42<twb>istoc: that's the default setup on Debian -- one group per user.
02:42<dondelelcaro>though that can be changed if you really want to.
02:42<twb>I use the `users' group to contain all users (including admins), and also put admins in the `adm' group.
02:43<dondelelcaro>(see adduser)
02:43<istoc>Does that mean that there are two types of users by default only? Users and root?
02:43<twb>Indeed, /etc/adduser.conf controls how new users are set up.
02:43<twb>istoc: what do you mean `type'?
02:43<istoc>default access permissions
02:44<istoc>ownership, etc
02:44<twb>There are always several "pseudo" users for administrative purposes, e.g. there is a user for the web server and a user for the printer daemon
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02:45<istoc>yea I think I saw some of those under my own groupings, for devices
02:46<twb>Similarly there are roles for e.g. audio, so only users in the audio group can use speakers.
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02:46<twb>And likewise for disks and tape devices and suchlike
02:47<twb>If you run the command `id', it will list all groups you are part of.
02:47<istoc>Well, Im gonna try to find a tutorial about this, thanks for the help.
02:47<twb>If traditional unix user/group read/write/execute permissions are inadequate, you may wish to look into SELinux, which provides finer-grained NT-style permissions.
02:47<twb>I highly recommend the RUTE
02:47<twb>!RUTE
02:47<dpkg>i heard rute is the Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition. A fantastic book that is available at http://rute.2038bug.com/ or can be purchased at Borders. It covers Linux in a very non-disto specific method. The start of the book is "Binary and Octal" and ends with "Security Auditing"
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02:50<Supaplex>I see that iceweasel has patched the upstream shellscript which launces iceweasel, to allow tracing by gdb. I have symbols installed, and I'd rather use a core dump and save me the overhead of tracing it constantly. How do I enable core dumps, only for firefox-bin?
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02:51<twb>Write a wrapper that calls ulimit?
02:51<twb>(Just a guess.)
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02:52<Supaplex>ahh, so ulimit -c unlimited. maybe via a shell function.
02:52<dondelelcaro>an alias would do it
02:53<twb>I'm not a fan of aliases because exec() can't see them.
02:53<twb>So e.g. BROWSER=yowalias wouldn't work.
02:54<Supaplex>I think I can reproduce my issue w/o that caveat affecting me. but thanks for the tip.
02:55<twb>Argh!
02:55<twb>This stupid wireless keyboard keeps dropping events
02:55<Supaplex>now if I could only remember how or why it was crashing before, I could write some useful bug reports. heh.
02:55<Supaplex>~typosmite twb's keyboard
02:55[~]dpkg makes twb's keyboard raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
02:56<twb>Supaplex: heehee, then the mozilla people get get to work ignoring your reports and making their code suck harder and longer
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03:08<Supaplex>twb: no doubt :)
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03:10<twb>Anybody know if PuTTY has a dedicated channel on OFTC or Freenode?
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03:14<dondelelcaro>twb: not that I know of
03:15<dondelelcaro>(if they do, it isn't called the obvious name)
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03:19<twb>I found the source of my problem, anyway.
03:20<twb>(I was trying to use a non-Unicode Gulim face and it mis-rendered \ as the Won currency symbol.
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03:22<twb>Yow, fullscreen PuTTY window using DejaVu Sans Mono, it's almost like I'm sitting at a real honest-to-goddess workstation.
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03:27<maxamillion>twb: yeah .... almost, but then once you leave that window you realize you are sitting infront of a lesser operating system
03:29<twb>maxamillion: I don't leave the window
03:29<maxamillion>twb: solid choice :D
03:29<twb>It's why I like Windows + PuTTY more than OS X -- it makes a better vt100 :P
03:30<maxamillion>twb: that i will have to agree with, but at the same time i have to give credit to apple as the lesser of two evils because at the end of the day, atleast apple's crapware is written ontop of a respectable system
03:31<twb>Pfft.
03:31<twb>You could say the same about HP-UX
03:32<maxamillion>uhmmm.... accept HP-UX is a completely different platform .... its not made with desktops in mind
03:32<twb>It's a crappy 80s-style vendor-wars unix, just like OS X
03:33<twb>!vendor war
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03:33<twb>I'll shut up now, since I'm wildly OT
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03:33<maxamillion>accept OS X is just FreeBSD+apple_crap and HP-UX is proprietary unix from the ground up
03:33<maxamillion>OT?
03:33<twb>Off lTopic
03:34<maxamillion>ah, rgr ... i should stop as well
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03:34<twb>Contractions!
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03:34[~]maxamillion constantly forgets which tab he is in when he proceeds with such conversations
03:34<twb>That's the word I was trying to think of yesterday when that fellow said "u" after being !u'd thrice.
03:34<twb>Likewise.
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03:50<igcek>hello, im trying to COMPLETELY remove something... and i don't know the right command, with apt is: apt-get remove "***" purge, what is like with ipkg?
03:50<Supaplex>apt-get purge foo
03:50<igcek>ipkg remove ***...
03:50<igcek>no, with ipkg
03:50<Supaplex>what's ipkg? openwrt?
03:51<igcek>its like ipkg just easyer on the system req.
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03:52<Supaplex>you do realise that there's no native ipkg in debian, right?
03:53<Supaplex>http://rafb.net/p/TdOzDP23.html via etch.
03:54<igcek>forget it...
03:54<igcek>thats not a part of apt, that is a substitute to apt
03:55<streuner>Do you mean dpkg?
03:57<streuner>"dpkg" isnt a substitute to apt, apt-get is for resolve depends and download package(s)
03:57<Supaplex>aptitude?
03:58<streuner>and dpkg itself is to manipulate and install packages
03:58<Supaplex>none of these are significant low resource usage :) dpkg maybe.
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04:05<twb>ipkg is a dpkg-like interface for OpenWRT.
04:06<hollo>hi.. if i want to pipe a line into a users crontab, how can i do that..
04:06<twb>dpkg handles unpacking packages, running setup/teardown scripts, and deleting files when removing packages. apt is a separate layer on top of dpkg (or rpm) that handles finding and downloading packages from a central repository.
04:06<dpkg>twb: I think you lost me on that one
04:07<twb>So yeah, dpkg and apt are orthogonal.
04:07<fxiny>very zen
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04:11<slpwalkie>good evening folks
04:13<slpwalkie>I've been trying to install linux on my laptop, and I finally succeeded with debian after trying ubuntu
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04:13<slpwalkie>in ubuntu the live cd would spend some time loading but then the computer would simply power off
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04:14<twb>We don't support Ubuntu.
04:15<slpwalkie>well, in debian, the laptop does not come back from hibernation
04:16<twb>That is more interesting.
04:16<twb>Do you know how to inspect logs to find out why?
04:16<slpwalkie>indeed, lemme do it again and describe it
04:16<veni>hi all
04:17<veni>hi all, I have created a local repository of debian and tried mirroring that into another system using debmirror command,
04:17<veni>it completed 100% but at the last showed error messages for some files saying, not found
04:17<veni>where as those files are present in the repo,
04:17<veni>for example, [ 93%] Getting: pool/anant/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_2%3a1.0.3-7_i386.deb... pool/anant/main/libx/libx11/libx11-dev_2%3a1.0.3-7_i386.deb failed 404 Not Found
04:17<slpwalkie>twb, I do not know which log files have that information or where the documentation for that is
04:18<veni>in this fashion some 13 packages are not found
04:18<veni>what must be the problem?
04:18<twb>slpwalkie: dmesg / syslog,
04:18<slpwalkie>seperate commands?
04:18<twb>veni: where are you mirroring from? ftp.d.o, a primary/seconary/tertiary mirror?
04:18<twb>slpwalkie: dmesg | tail -n 100, /var/log/syslog
04:19<veni>twb, first time i mirrored from ftp.se.debian.org
04:19<veni>and it was fine.
04:19<slpwalkie>I'll give it a read
04:19<veni>but later i am trying to mirror from my local site
04:19<veni>but the above was the error message
04:20<blubberdiblub>!enter
04:20<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
04:20<veni>and this problem is with the packages whose name has % symbol, in its name
04:20<veni>anything related to this is causing problem ?
04:21<twb>veni: this is probably because there is something from with the local siteee
04:21<twb>veni: e.g. it's partway through a sync
04:22<veni>partway ? u mean partiall syncing happened ?
04:23<veni>twb, ?
04:23<twb>veni: yes, at your ISP or wherever the tertiary mirror is.
04:23<twb>Heh, how often do you see an em-dash --- in IRC?
04:24<veni>so i have to see my local repo ? for some missings?
04:24<twb>veni: I am suggesting there is something wrong with the place you are mirroring FROM.
04:24<twb>Because it worked with ftp.se.d.o, but not with the second place.
04:25<slpwalkie>okay, powered up from hibernation and screen flashes black with text "INU" near the top, then a couple screens of smaller text scrll up quickly, then I'm deposited at black screen with a mouse cursor
04:25<veni>twb, yes, but what is wrong with my second place, tahts what my query is about
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04:26<twb>slpwalkie: are you doing S1 or S3 hibernation?
04:26<slpwalkie>it's wierd that the laptop came out of hibernation okay just now, it gave me a password promt. I closed it and opened it again and then what I just described happened
04:27<twb>You mean the gnome-screensaver graphical password prompt?
04:28<slpwalkie>I think so
04:28<twb>It may be you're closing the lid and opening it again too quickly, so that it's still entering S3.
04:28<twb>The gnome-screensaver prompt has a "leave a message" button or something like that
04:28<slpwalkie>how do I modify that behavior
04:29<twb>I don't know.
04:29<slpwalkie>hehe, I've manually disabled the hibernation switch on a laptop before :D
04:30<blubberdiblub>veni: have you checked the on-disk repository for strange filenames? the %something probably aren't supposed to be in the actual filenames, rather the real : (colon) would be correct
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04:31<slpwalkie>I do not know about the hibernation modes, but you're saying that I might not be giving it enough time to prepare for hibernation before bringing it back?
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04:32<twb>Yes. Like trying to boot a system that's still shutting down.
04:33<twb>It's just a guess, mind you.
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04:34<rafael>hello
04:34<slpwalkie>pk well i was able t succesfuly disable the use of the lid button, from the power management settings app
04:34<rafael>i have a problem during configuring my kernel, can someone help me
04:34<rafael>plz
04:35<slpwalkie>shoot
04:35<twb>!anyone
04:35<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
04:37<Supaplex>rafael: why not use a stock debian kernel?
04:37<rafael>there is a module in the kernel "ASUS_LAPTOP" it should be under devices -> misc devices but its not there. Depends on: MISC_DEVICES && X86 && ACPI && EXPERIMENTAL && !ACPI_ASUS
04:37<rafael>but what is X86 ?
04:37<slpwalkie>he wants it 0ptahmyyzed
04:37<rafael>because my kernel is very well exept this
04:37<rafael>2.6.23.12
04:38<rafael>on lenny
04:38<twb>rafael: presumably X86 is a flag that is set iff the architecture is 80x86 (or possible IA64/AMD64)
04:38<Supaplex>well, that's atleast a better reason :)
04:38<Vorti|Away>Why debian distro always comes with exim4 mta is it exim4 mta the best Debian Choice ?
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04:38<Supaplex>!best
04:38<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
04:38<Supaplex>Vorti|Away: no, just default.
04:39<rafael>its for 32 bit systems too
04:39<rafael>but how can i see what modules i have to enable for enabling this module?
04:39<slpwalkie>it is possible to install a deb which more or less transmogrify a debian system into ubuntu?
04:39<slpwalkie>horrifying if true
04:40<Supaplex>!bobbitt
04:40<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
04:40<rafael>even in the gui gconfig i didnt find an answer to that
04:40<twb>slpwalkie: no
04:41<twb>slpwalkie: Ubuntu helpfully recompiles all Debian packages, even when they don't make changes to the packages.
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04:41<slpwalkie>that's helpful
04:41<twb>This is what I like to call "fucking up bigtime and annoying everyone.'
04:42<twb>For comparison, see the Adamantix distribution.
04:42<rafael>so can s.o. help me?
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04:42<rafael>if yes i will tell a very good joke for yeah 2007
04:42<twb>rafael: possibly a barman or anaesthetist
04:43<twb>I don't remember any Lorena Bobbitt.
04:43<rafael>i need support
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04:43<slpwalkie>adamantix looks very interesting
04:43<rafael>lets be a nicer community than windows where noobs like me are helpe
04:43<slpwalkie>I think the project has gone down though, their site is an empty page
04:44<rafael>no one?
04:44<rafael>so
04:44<rafael>good
04:44<rafael>bye
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04:44<Supaplex>!tell rafael -about enter
04:44<Supaplex>rafael: try the mailing lists
04:44<twb>Fortunately (FSVO), Wikipedia does.
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04:44<twb>rafael: if you want help, you must first demonstrate the ability to help yourself.
04:45<slpwalkie>I am just a beginner, I've only ever fucked my kernel up when tweaking it
04:45<twb>slpwalkie: that's pretty standard
04:45<twb>Fortunately module-assistant and make-kpkg make things less horrifically tedious.
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04:46<slpwalkie>I once went through a nightmarish gentoo build, I only followed instructions in some arcane guide it felt like doing sorcery
04:46<twb>Indeed, an early Gentoo-style distribution was called "sorceror"
04:47<slpwalkie>sorcerer linux, where the scripts were called spells
04:47<twb>Yep.
04:48<twb>Now, if people *really* want to understand how a Linux-based OS works, they should IMO instal LFS
04:48<slpwalkie>which variant is that?
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04:49<twb>!LFS
04:49<dpkg>[lfs] large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch
04:49<twb>!linux from scratch
04:49<dpkg>i guess linux from scratch is uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
04:49|-|mirshafie_ [~mirshafie@84-217-169-91.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
04:49<Supaplex>ahh sure why not. it's overdue,
04:49<Supaplex>!start a distro war
04:49<dpkg>rumour has it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz
04:49<Supaplex>yay!!!
04:49<slpwalkie>ah, I am familiar with linux from scratch
04:50<twb>Debian is for people who hate computers, and don't enjoy spending every waking hour babysitting the damn things
04:50<slpwalkie>fucking hate them
04:50<Vorti|Away>when i install non debian package binary as an example postfix
04:50<twb>...which is why I love Debian
04:50<twb>Vorti|Away: don't do that.
04:50<Vorti|Away>is it /usr/local/ tge best choise for instalation directory ?
04:50<Supaplex>bad Vorti|Away! :P
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04:51<Vorti|Away>where is it supposed to be instalation of non deb binaries ?
04:51<slpwalkie>it's really what I've realized, I don't _want_ to reinvent the wheel.. if my coding will go towards OS design then let it become part of a thriving community, not part of some leet hacker shell I make for myself or whatever
04:51<twb>Vorti|Away: don't do that.
04:51<Vorti|Away>twb i know that it is supposed to be .deb package
04:51<twb>Anyone calling themselves "leet" is, by implication, not.
04:52<Vorti|Away>but as an example ratbox ircd daemon
04:52<Vorti|Away>is custom .tar.gz
04:52<Vorti|Away>a cant find .deb packet
04:52<Vorti|Away>but i love Debian i used it for years
04:52<twb>Vorti|Away: if the package is not already in Debian, file an RFP bug against wnpp.
04:53<twb>If you need to ask how to deploy a source tarball on Debian you are not qualified to do so safely.
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04:53<Vorti|Away>i compile this daemon and i guess where to put the binary so my server be functionall
04:53<slpwalkie>hehe, getting your box owned by someone who is leet must definitely be the highlight of anyone's day
04:53<twb>Vorti|Away: why can't you use some other IRC daemon that *is* in Debian?
04:53<Vorti|Away>because network has own developer
04:53<Nemoder>Vorti|Away: ircd-ratbox is in testing, not sure about stable
04:53<Vorti|Away>and this release is custom for our needsa
04:53<Vorti|Away>and this release is custom for our needs..
04:54<Vorti|Away>that is why i cant put .deb package i prefet to do so
04:54<Vorti|Away>but the policy does not accept this..
04:54<twb>Nemoder: it doesn't provide: ircd!
04:54<twb>reportbug time!
04:54<Vorti|Away>i mean there is a tar.gz source
04:55<slpwalkie>vorti, you have a custom compiling package without code to install it?
04:55<Vorti|Away>i mean there is a tar.gz source the source is rewritend and i just need to compile on the mashine and install it
04:55<Vorti|Away>but i dont want to change debian distro ..
04:56<Vorti|Away>i`m just asking where to put this sort of files
04:56<twb>*rewritten, machine
04:56<slpwalkie>this is not lolcats
04:56<Nemoder>generally non packaged software is safer to install to /usr/local/
04:56<fxiny>make install will put it in /usr/local
04:56<twb>fxiny: ...if you're lucky
04:56<Vorti|Away>thanks that i want to now..
04:56<twb>*know
04:57<Vorti|Away>another question if i want to make .deb package
04:57<Supaplex>dpkg: lolcats
04:57<dpkg>rumour has it, lolcats is http://icanhascheezburger.com/?random
04:57<Vorti|Away>from this ?
04:57<Vorti|Away>i mean to populate over 10 machines Debian based
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04:57<fxiny>twb: you right : i always check :) ls /usr/local/bin > bogofilter bogolexer bogoupgrade bogoutil lame mrxvt rkhunter rtorrent
04:57<Nemoder>Vorti|Away: if you want to build .deb files then install the maint-guide package and read through those documents
04:57<twb>fxiny: most of those are in Debian
04:58<fxiny>twb: etch rtorrent has no encryption , lame is over there since woody
04:59<Vorti|Away>why when i want to remove exim4 my debian distro always tries to remove mysql-server mecause ot dependencies
04:59<Vorti|Away>this is strange for me
04:59<twb>Why do you need to encrypt bittorrent?
04:59<Vorti|Away>why when i want to remove exim4 my debian distro always tries to remove mysql-server Because oF dependencies (sorry)
04:59<twb>And why can't you use bpo?
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05:00<twb>Vorti|Away: because you don't know what you're doing.
05:00<twb>aptitude install postfix ~i~nexim-
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05:00<fxiny>twb: those are all small things . i dont' even think to compile say postfix : debian security team rulez ;)
05:01<twb>fxiny: what, all four of them, none of which can stand the other three? ;-)
05:01<fxiny>and i have only one bpo in so far : util-vserver cause #vserver ppl recommend it
05:02<twb>I ought to get me some of that hardware virtualization.
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05:03<fxiny>twb: etch needs no bpo packages to run , that's an improvement . sarge needed more
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05:05<macdeem>when is testing going to move into stable again, its been a year with etch now
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05:05<Vorti|Away>is it a problem to mess stable and non stable packages with apt pinning ?
05:05<Supaplex>macdeem: sooner if you help? when it's ready?
05:05<fxiny>i hope not soon : i prefere long release cycle
05:05<macdeem>Supaplex, what are the new features?
05:05<macdeem>fxiny, yeah long is better
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05:06<Vorti|Away>i am using apt pinning on my debian based server machine
05:06<Vorti|Away>is it a problem to mess stable and non stable packages with apt pinning ?
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05:06<Supaplex>hopefully a few of these are fixed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=submitter&data=debian%40foss.daxal.com&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable
05:07<Supaplex>Vorti|Away: stable is suggested for production systems. caveat emptor otherwise.
05:08<Vorti|Away>my question is about your opinion on this kind of usage "apt pinning"
05:08<Vorti|Away>because apt-conf supports this option
05:08<Supaplex>no, it's not a panacea
05:08<fxiny>yes , whe i think bpo i can't think etch but sarge . from a user point of view is an improvement
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05:08<macdeem>so does linux take good advantage of smp systems, cause I was thinking of spending extra money for a dual chip configuration, but not sure if it is worth the money
05:09<fxiny>i do more volatile and multimedia then bpo . food for thoughts .
05:09<SaltyBallz>hey everybody - can somebody point me to some good example/tutorial for logwatch?
05:09<Supaplex>macdeem: the kernel does a pretty good job of tossing busy tasks between less busy cpus. it's more useful when it's multiple different tasks asking for cpu time.
05:10<Supaplex>macdeem: fwiw, I'm glad I spent the $100 extra on the upgraded pc I have. 1 more 5000bogomips core, extra ram, extra hdd. :)
05:10<macdeem>hmmm, but in general and extra chip doesn't really produce much better performance does it?
05:11<Supaplex>if you have multiple busy proccesses, yes. if it's only one busy process, it won't run on more than one cpu at a time.
05:11<Supaplex>cpu/core/etc
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05:12<macdeem>Supaplex, what about having 256+256=512 vs 256+2X128=512, do you think those things make a difference, would one 512 chip be faster than 4x128?
05:12<macdeem>Supaplex, thanks, thats what I was interested to know
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05:15<vook>macdeem: chip configuration shouldn't matter, as long as all memory chips run at the same speed.
05:15<macdeem>vook, I see, I think some motherboards only accept certain speed
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05:18<vook>macdeem: try to use all exact same brand/model of memory if possible (always use memory of the same type, of course)
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05:18<htraki>hi guys
05:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 304] by debhelper
05:19<htraki>Happy new year to all
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05:21<csupka91>hey!
05:21<macdeem>vook, thanks
05:21<csupka91>somebody hungarian?
05:21<htraki>yes,me
05:22<Supaplex>i'm still hungry. does that count?
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05:27<bremner>!hr
05:27<dpkg>it has been said that hr is Croatia
05:28<SpeedyG>!hu
05:28<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
05:28<Tead>lol
05:28<csupka91>i am hungarian, and i am try the #debian.hu -t but didnt was nobody -.-
05:29<ifvoid>csupka91: maybe on freenode
05:29<SpeedyG>I guess so :)
05:30<csupka91>what the freenode? :$
05:30<SpeedyG>csupka91: irc.freenode.net
05:30<csupka91>ah ok
05:31<SpeedyG>it has a #debian like oftc, but also the #debian.hu I guess :)
05:32<csupka91>ok :D
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05:33<fxiny>looking for #neverland ? no worries join freenode :P
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05:34<SpeedyG>fxiny: ? :)
05:34<fxiny>SpeedyG: ;)
05:35<fxiny>SpeedyG: mind the gnaa :P
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05:50<migiel>hello, my harddisks are not running with DMA, i tried to change it using hdparm, but it says: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted, any ideas ?
05:50<twb>migiel: you are running hdparm as root?
05:50<migiel>yes twb
05:51<twb>What is the command you are running?
05:51<migiel>hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
05:52<twb>Please report the output of `id' and `ls -ld /dev/hda'
05:52<migiel># id
05:52<migiel>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
05:52<migiel>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 2007-12-31 11:44 /dev/hda
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05:53<twb>I dunno, then
05:53<migiel>i think it's somehting with the ide driver
05:53<twb>It's theoretically possible that your disk or controller does not support DMA
05:54<migiel>it does :)
05:54<migiel>00:02.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M900 PCI to PCI Bridge Controller (rev 80) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
05:54<migiel>oh wrong one
05:54<twb>Please pastebin the output of hdparm -i /dev/hda
05:54<migiel>00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 07) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
05:54<twb>I have the same southbridge, I think, and it does DMA OOTB.
05:55<twb>Unfortunately that machine is not configured for WOL and I'm in a different building atm, so I can't check.
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05:55<migiel>hmm ok
05:55<migiel>http://pastebin.com/d4ec2bbc4
05:56<migiel>the drive is really slow atm, maximum speed seems to be 2 Mb/s
05:56<twb>migiel: that seems to say it's already doing udma6
05:56<migiel>yes
05:56<migiel>but when ido
05:57<twb>Do you have a CD-ROM on the same bus?
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05:57<migiel>http://pastebin.com/d26d6e14d
05:57<migiel>no twb, but i do have an other harddisk on the same bus
05:57<twb>Are you using a 40-pin ribbon instead of the newer 80-pin ribbon?
05:57<migiel>no 80-pin
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05:58<twb>I'm at a loss, sorry.
05:58<migiel>ok, np, thanks anyway
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05:58<twb>I'd try googling for the strings from lspci
05:59<migiel>im first going to remove the second harddisk
05:59<twb>Also check dmesg output for anything suspicious
05:59<twb>I've seen these symptoms before but I can't remember where
05:59<twb>Oh, I know!
06:00<twb>Are you running the mobo in "legacy" or "native" mode?
06:00<twb>(It's a BIOS option.)
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06:15<Guest1764>hi
06:16<Angel-a>hi
06:16<Angel-a>=)
06:16<Guest1764>ugh i dont have the user list up on xchat
06:16<twb>Enough exposition, get to the plot
06:16<Guest1764>i hate xchat i need to get conspire
06:16<Guest1764>brb
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06:19<Angel-a>Garda hi
06:19<Garda>hey
06:19<Garda>happy new year
06:20<Angel-a>thank
06:20<Guest1764>ugh
06:20<Guest1764>cant find conspire
06:21<Guest1764>wtf windows in a debian channel?
06:21<Guest1764>ooh nm
06:21<twb>Guest1764: eh?
06:21<Guest1764>:D
06:21<Guest1764>-Angel-a- VERSION xchat 2.4.0c Windows 5.1 [i1586/3,20GHz]
06:21<Angel-a>)))))
06:21<Guest1764>its not really winblows
06:21<htraki>:)
06:21<csupka91>rtorrent: curl_multi_add_handle "invalid easy handle
06:21<csupka91>why write is it?
06:21<Angel-a>I`m from Ukraine
06:22<fxiny>better then kalumet mirc :P
06:22<twb>aptitude search '~Gprotocol::irc ~Guse::chatting'
06:22<Guest1764>so how do i add myself to the sudoers files
06:22<Guest1764>like where is this file
06:22<twb>Guest1764: visudo
06:23<Guest1764>huh?
06:23<Guest1764>visudo?
06:23<Supaplex>man visudo
06:24<twb>EDITOR=ed visudo
06:24<twb>Yow!
06:25<fxiny>ed ? old timer ?
06:25<twb>ED IS THE STANDARD UNIX EDITOR!!1!
06:25<fxiny>i know that
06:25<Guest1764>oh ty
06:26<fxiny>ed sed jed ...
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06:26<twb>y
06:26<twb>http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
06:26<twb>When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
06:27<Supaplex>!start an editor war
06:27<dpkg>xemacs blows
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06:27[~]Angel-a ЗаЖиГаЕт под =) BENNY_BENASSI___LAST_CHRISTMAS (=
06:28<fxiny>like nano . can't stand nano
06:28[~]Supaplex twitches
06:28<htraki>I think vim is the best
06:28<fxiny>vi are emacsers :P
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06:29<Supaplex>htraki: yeah. let's beat fxiny into vim submission now. :)
06:29<Supaplex>oh fxiny, comear boy...
06:29<Guest1764>ok so i put myself in visudo and saved + exit
06:29<twb>I quite like mg
06:29<Guest1764>what did i do wrong hmm
06:29<fxiny>i use jed and wemacs . vi/vim just for removing pr0n lines from my bash_history :P
06:29<fxiny>teke this :P
06:29<twb>It fits nicely on my 4MB router
06:29<fxiny>take*
06:29<Supaplex>fxiny: nawe, that's what sed -i is for.
06:29<fxiny>Supaplex: sed rocks :))
06:30<Supaplex>and so do pillows. *YAWN*
06:30<fxiny>Supaplex: but perl inplace is better :P
06:30[~]Supaplex stammers off
06:30<Guest1764>there we go i got it
06:30<htraki>I don't like sed and nano
06:30<fxiny>Supaplex: i have upgraded bpo util-vservers today !
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06:31<twb>fxiny: perl takes longer to boot and consumes more nv space
06:31<fxiny>dpon't like sed ? heretic ! now tell me you don't like awk !
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06:32<fxiny>twb: do not touch perl !
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06:32<TheFishy>there we go
06:32[~]fxiny lights a candle to his Larry Wall altar
06:32<victor>I disabled the mozilla totem plugin for some reason the other day, and now have no idea how to enable it, please help me out.
06:32<TheFishy>whats the newest version of debian?
06:33<TheFishy>4.0 rc1?
06:33[~]Angel-a ЗаЖиГаЕт под =) 50_cent_ayo_technology_feat_justin_timberlake_and_timberland_clean_prod (=
06:33<fxiny>twb: are you sure your box is not cracked ? or are you confusing python with the mighty perl ?
06:33<htraki>No, 4.0.r2
06:33<fxiny>perl slow ?
06:33<twb>Angel-a: talk sense or go away
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06:33<htraki>victor: use mplayerplug-in
06:33<twb># perl
06:33<twb>-ash: perl: not found
06:34<htraki>much better
06:34<fxiny>Angel-a: i supect the final -a is a forgery : take your lorry back to the nearest scratch yeard :P
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06:34<fxiny>yard*
06:34<TheFishy>fxiny: she/he left
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06:34<fxiny>TheFishy: he's a lorry driver :))
06:35<fxiny>TheFishy: can't find perl ? what a pity ! stay with python ohhh yeahhhh :))))
06:35<fxiny>ops
06:35<victor>htraki, for this very reason I have disabled totem plugin, now I have problems with this page: http://www.tfd.com/loom
06:35<twb>I did s2disk on a workstation, and my ssh connection got timed out and I can't start a new one... and yet the machine responds to ping
06:35<fxiny>twb: ^^^ that's yours :P
06:36<victor>htraki, there is no sound after pressing the pronounciation button.
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06:37<victor>htraki, is mplayerplug-in that good? I have tried it and been disappointed.
06:37<htraki>victor:maybe there is an other sound app running in the background
06:37<htraki>for me is best,any other plugins are much worser
06:37<fxiny>twb: i rememeber now why bogo is in my /usr/local : db incompatibility
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06:38<fxiny>i keep my goodlist/badlist.db
06:38<fxiny>nothing is wrong with etch version
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06:40<fxiny>btw . about spam : no more mass kicking ? where the bots are ?
06:40<oskie>hello, I just upgraded kernel, now I cant burn any CDs because it sees no /dev/sg or /dev/sr... it seems the DVD burner is now /dev/hda .. any suggestions?
06:40<fxiny>where are*
06:41<twb>oskie: wodim dev=/dev/hda fnord.iso
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06:41<fxiny>ohhh : any suggestion for a bitlbee bot ? plum ?
06:41<oskie>twb: ah, seems to work.. so now there's no need for this SCSI stuff any longer..?
06:41<twb>oskie: I've no idea what you're talking about
06:42<oskie>twb: I always had to use /dev/sg0 (SCSI generic) to burn
06:42<victor>htraki, try this: http://www.3abn.org/ try watch the video.
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06:42<oskie>twb: btw, would you recommend wodim over dvdrecord?
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06:43<victor>htraki, it seems mplayer can't play it at all.
06:43<htraki>ok,victor
06:43<twb>oskie: they do diferent jobs
06:43<twb>*diferent
06:43<twb>*different
06:43<TheFishy>did anyone watch the usual suspects?
06:43<twb>(Stupid lossy keyboard.)
06:43<htraki>victor:Where is the video?
06:43<oskie>twb: dvdrecord burns images to dvd / cd... wodim doesn't do that
06:43<oskie>?
06:43<htraki>Where should be?
06:43<twb>oskie: wodim burns to CD-ROMs.
06:44<victor>htraki, click the skip button.
06:44<twb>And CD-RWs and so on.
06:44<weasel>and dvds.
06:44<oskie>twb: ooh. ok
06:44<twb>dvdrecord is primarily for multi-track DVDs, AIUI
06:44<twb>It includes functionality from genisoimage as well, IIRC
06:44<fxiny>a lossy keyboard ? i use a two tonnes magic grey olivetti keyboard : no windows keys !
06:45<TheFishy>shit this dvd is taking hours to rewind
06:45<TheFishy>is that normal?
06:45<fxiny>old keyboards are perfect
06:45<twb>TheFishy: are you a moron?
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06:45<TheFishy>no it was a joke
06:46<htraki>victor:works,just fine
06:46<fxiny>TheFishy: check out the newest betamax dvd :P
06:46<oskie>i tell you what a joke is: that adobe can't make a 64bit flash player
06:46<TheFishy>fxiny: Those are already out?
06:46<TheFishy>oskie: why would u want one
06:47<fxiny>TheFishy: yes : fetora comes with it :P
06:47<victor>htraki, really? when I used it, it won't display the video.
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06:47<htraki>victor:What browser do you use?
06:47<victor>htraki, iceweasel.
06:47<htraki>really
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06:47<TheFishy>fxiny: lol
06:47<fxiny>TheFishy: :)
06:47<htraki>victor: I used epiphany
06:47<TheFishy>aww i feel old now
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06:48<victor>htraki, now i am using vlc plugin and it only plays for a few minutes and gets stuck.
06:48<oskie>TheFishy: maybe I shouldn't need to, apparently there's something called nspluginwrapper
06:49<TheFishy>oskie: need to want one? well 64 bit systems suck poorly imho
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06:49<fxiny>victor: gnome mplayer plugin problems ? url ?
06:50<htraki>victor: I think there is something wrong
06:51<TheFishy>anyone use yakuake
06:51<oskie>TheFishy: nah 64bit linux is the future IHMO.. 64bit windows may suck, but linux doesn't
06:51<fxiny>TheFishy: is useless
06:51<victor>htraki, fxiny, maybe vlc conflicts with mplayer.
06:51<htraki>maybe
06:51<victor>I'll try to remove vlc.
06:51<TheFishy>fxiny: I find the console easy and wonderful
06:51<fxiny>victor: i have a gnome mplayer-powered ready : want me to check the url ?
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06:51<htraki>only the plugin
06:52<htraki>the url is above
06:52<TheFishy>time to go to gnome.
06:52<TheFishy>brb
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06:52<fxiny>ok lemme check
06:53<fxiny>twb: flux + mrxvt 5.3 : 20 profiles + 20 tabs . i can have more if is not enough for you . sure yaku is better ? :)
06:53<fxiny>ops
06:53<fxiny>twb: sorry
06:53<fxiny>has gone
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06:54<fxiny>ahhh
06:54<fxiny>TheFishy : flux + mrxvt 5.3 : 20 profiles + 20 tabs . i can have more if is not enough for you . sure yaku is better ? :)
06:54<oskie>wow.. that was simple.. just install flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper
06:57<fxiny>victor: i am on tfd.com : what next ?
06:57<htraki>press loom
06:58<htraki>a voice should say loom
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06:58<victor>htraki, it connects with the server and starts buffering a bit and then makes some sound, and finally says "stopped".
06:58[~]TheFishyGnome kills TheFishy
06:58<victor>fxiny, tfd.com works fine now, thank you.
06:59<htraki>victor:set up the buffer bigger
06:59<TheFishyGnome>guyd...
06:59<TheFishyGnome>u all must get this alot
06:59<htraki>My buffer is about 3M
06:59<TheFishyGnome>gnome or kde
07:00<fxiny>victor: it works just fine
07:00<fxiny>ops
07:00<Wesley>There was this handy debian tool which would show all the hardware, including memory banks (free of taken etc)
07:00<Wesley>anyone happen to know the name of the tool? can't come up with it :<
07:01<htraki>lspci?
07:01<htraki>or lshw?
07:01<victor>fxiny, yeah, I had a internet running in background, which makes tfd.com mute.
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07:01<TheFishyGnome>to install kde
07:01<TheFishyGnome>its sudo apt-get install kde
07:01<Wesley>Yes! lshw :D thx htraki :)
07:01<TheFishyGnome>right?
07:01<victor>htraki, how to set the buffer?
07:02<gsimmons>!tell TheFishyGnome -about install kde
07:02<fxiny>victor: ok . anyway i've checked it with gnome+mplayer
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07:02<zeal>TheFishyGnome: oh, I find today the meta-pkg of "kde" is broken
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07:02<htraki>You can set up the buffer,while the plugin loads the video
07:02<zeal>TheFishyGnome: so I have to install all the individual packages
07:02<htraki>just press right click and configure
07:03<TheFishyGnome>zeal: works for me
07:03<victor>htraki, see.
07:03<zeal>TheFishyGnome: I mean the sid
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07:04<TheFishyGnome>sid?
07:04<zeal>TheFishyGnome: it depends on some stale package which does not exist
07:04<zeal>TheFishyGnome: yeah, "kde" in sid
07:04<TheFishyGnome>oh..
07:04<TheFishyGnome>ok
07:04<zeal>TheFishyGnome: I installed a fresh new sid today for my buddy
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07:05<TheFishyGnome>brb two seconds
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07:05<victor>htraki, I've set it to 1024, and nothing changes.
07:06<htraki>vicor: I dont have any better idea
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07:06<zeal>!tell zeal -about install kde
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07:07<zeal>"kde" meta-pkg is broken today in sid
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07:10<fxiny>what about kde-desktop ?
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07:17<victor>htraki, please try 3abn tv again with iceweasel.
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07:19<TheFishy>in xfce my time is off
07:19<TheFishy>how would one fix that
07:20<htraki>ok
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07:20<TheFishy>debian > mint/ubuntu
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07:23<htraki>victor: grandma does fittness
07:24<victor>htraki, please tell me your mplayer plugin configuration.
07:25<htraki>victor:video and audio output notset
07:25<twb>ftp://twb.ath.cx/tmp/hardcopy.2
07:25<twb>Anybody understand why s2disk isn't working on this workstation?
07:26<twb>It looks like nvidiafb is kiboshing it
07:26<htraki>midi support off
07:27<victor>htraki, and everything else enabled?
07:27<twb>Oops, that hardcopy went nowhere
07:27<twb>ftp://twb.ath.cx/tmp/hardcopy.1
07:28<htraki>victor: the last option: Video pause,when hidden is on
07:28<htraki>above 3 option is no
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07:28<htraki>everything else is on
07:29<htraki>prebuffering: 25%
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07:30<gurpreet>hi
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07:31<gurpreet>please tell me the name of an english-english dictionary database package for dictd. i am unable to find it.
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07:31<leonidas>hi guys, i need help installing swifmill !!
07:32<leonidas>i have got dependancies errors
07:32<victor>htraki, i've set the percentage to 8%, and audio oss, video gl, now i can hear sound playing, but still no video!
07:32<twb>gurpreet: you mean the Queen's English?
07:32<htraki>what videocard do you have?
07:32<gurpreet>twb, no, dictionary database package to go with dictd.
07:33<twb>This fucking keyboard...
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07:33<victor>htraki, no idea. but when I used windows, no such things happen. how can i find the video card information on debian?
07:34<htraki>lshw,or see /var/log/Xorg.0.log in gedit
07:34<niru>how can I search for invisible space using sed command
07:35<htraki>victor: Try to set video output to X11
07:35<victor>command not found.
07:35<twb>niru: define `invisible'
07:35<victor>htraki, command not found.
07:35<victor>x11 tried, no good.
07:36<htraki>open xorg.0.log with gedit in /var/log/
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07:36<niru>twd :using sed command ^M
07:36<niru>twb, will that work
07:37<twb>^M is not a sed command.
07:38<gurpreet>please tell me the name of a dictionary databse
07:38<gurpreet>batabase*
07:38<niru>twb, suppose I have some spaces after a file name that I am unable to find in such cases what command it need to use
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07:39<twb>niru: I have NO IDEA what you want
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07:39<victor>htraki, file opened. so where is the videocard information?
07:39<gurpreet>twb, niru wants to check for whitespace in the end of filename
07:40<niru>gurpreet, yes
07:40<niru>twb, yes
07:40<twb>find -name '* '
07:40<victor>it seems that it is an ati radeon.
07:40<victor>htraki, it seems that it is an ati radeon.
07:41<htraki>ok,victor lets see what driver do you use
07:41<twb>gurpreet: perhaps you want aspell-en myspell-en-gb or wbritish-huge
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07:41<gurpreet>twb, yes, thanks
07:42<htraki>victor: I have such entry:ATI: ATI driver (version 6.6.3) for chipsets: ati, ativga
07:42<twb>gurpreet: none of these are applicable to dict, which is a dictd client.
07:42<niru>gurpreet, twb can we do that using set command
07:42<gurpreet>twb, i have installed dictd locally. now i want definitions database
07:43<twb>aptitude search ~Rrecommends:dictd
07:43<htraki>victor: I think you should have to set the video output to xv
07:44<twb>Sorry, the dependencies are Suggests
07:44<gurpreet>niru, i've no idea abt sed
07:44<twb>aptitude search ~Dsuggests:dictd
07:44<gurpreet>twb, got it
07:44<gurpreet>twb, trying
07:44<victor>htraki, see, i'll try.
07:45<twb>I don't quite see how you can have an English to English translation dictionary.
07:46<gurpreet>twb, there are english to english dictionaries for those whose mother toungue isnt english
07:46<twb>Well, there aren't any in Debian
07:47<twb>Unless you mean a thesaurus
07:47<gurpreet>twb, there must be. one is running on dict.org
07:47<fxiny>niru: what extension ?
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07:50<victor>htraki, xv doesn't help. how can i check out all the plugins in iceweasel?
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07:51<htraki>well,first remove the plugin,that doesnt work
07:51<htraki>after that install the other
07:52<twb>Rather than using etherthingy to sniff packets between a DHCP server and client, can I simply issue a bogus DHCPREQUEST?
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07:52<twb>I want to check what next-server value the DHCP server is including in its DHCPACKs
07:52<victor>htraki, I mean to check out all the plugins installed in iceweasel, then remove all that might conflict with mplayer.
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07:53<htraki>What plugins do U have?Ű
07:53<twb>!u
07:53<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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07:54<victor>htraki, I don't quite remember.
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07:55<htraki>about:plugins in the adress bar
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07:55<fxiny>victor: man update-alternatives , and checl pluginreg.dat in ~/.mozilla/firefox
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07:57<fxiny>any kde user ? how to add an entry in kdm ?
07:57<fxiny>where's the damned rc ?
07:58<htraki>fxiny: In your home dir?
07:58<fxiny>lemme check
07:58<htraki>or in .kde
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07:58<fxiny>it can't be in my home . how can load it at boot ?
07:59<htraki>should be started as service
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07:59<fxiny>it pops up before i log in
07:59<KaiSVK>fook me ... I dont know how to create account on debian wiki :D
07:59<KaiSVK>is debianwiki still alive ?
08:00<fxiny>ahhh found a /etc/kde3/kdm dir
08:00<KaiSVK>or is it dead as debian's pages ?
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08:03<gurpreet>fxiny, did you found the file which contain kdm entries?
08:04<fxiny>gurpreet: nope . i'm grepping around for kde and failsafe : where the hell is ?
08:04<gurpreet>fxiny, me too began searching for same file
08:04<fxiny>i want to add an entry to it
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08:05<fxiny>i can't remeber how , back to woody , i did it for xfce
08:05<a_senna>Happy New Year anibal_
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08:07<niru>my espeak quits everytime
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08:07<niru>as I click on the speak file option and slect a file
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08:12<twb>Brr
08:12<twb>The fireworks remind me of shelling
08:12<twb>Not nice
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08:14<lupine_85>take cover!
08:15<twb>lupine_85: being shelled is not a laughing matter.
08:15<michele>hi all
08:15<lupine_85>yeah, I know. Hence the lack of :), :D , etc
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08:28<gurpreet>back
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08:28<gurpreet>fxiny, did you found the file?
08:29<fxiny>gurpreet: i'm looking into /usr/share/xsessions
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08:29<gurpreet>fxiny, using grep on entire directories will be faster
08:29<fxiny>still can't find where's the kdm *menu*
08:30<fxiny>gurpreet: /usr/share/xsessions is the place
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08:30<gurpreet>fxiny, nope, it don't contain the list
08:31<fxiny>you must add a file to it . dunno where the damned kdm menu entry is
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08:32<fxiny>there is another dir down /usr/share/apps
08:33<gurpreet>fxiny, it no where contains fluxbox
08:33<gurpreet>fxiny, i am using "grep -Ri flux /usr/share/apps/kdm"
08:33<fxiny>gurpreet: fluxbox is in /usr/share/xsessions > fluxbox.desktop kde.desktop
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08:34<gurpreet>fxiny, its not that, once we select fluxbox in the kdm and press enter, what happens next is determined by this file
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08:35<gurpreet>fxiny, we want a file which puts fluxbox entry in kdm menu
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08:35<lupine_85>I has one of those
08:35<fxiny>gurpreet : wait a minute , i'm entranced : that's entertainment (the jam) :)))
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08:36<fxiny>happy new year to all uk brothers and sisters :)
08:36<lupine_85>http://pastebin.ca/840078
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08:36<lupine_85>/usr/share/xsessions/fluxbox.desktop
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08:37<fxiny>lupine_85: i 'm on that one , but where kdm failsafe/kde/fluxbox entry is ?
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08:37<lupine_85>the menu?
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08:38<lupine_85>it generates it based on the .desktop files
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08:38<lupine_85>with the failsafe one being builtin, I would guess, due to a lack of .desktop file for it here
08:38<fxiny>yes ? lemme remove the official flux then
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08:38<fxiny>i wanna see the upstream one
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08:39<gurpreet>lupine_85, may be you are right
08:39<fxiny>not in this holy box :P
08:39<ServerSide>err, somebody can enlight me? i just added wine src to sources.list :
08:39<ServerSide>W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch Release: Les signatures suivantes n'ont pas pu être vérifiées car la clé publique n'est pas disponible : NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263
08:39<ServerSide>W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/wine.budgetdedicated.com_apt_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
08:39<gurpreet>fxiny, lupine_85 thats why kdm is so dynamic in adding new entries
08:39<ServerSide>err fr -_-
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08:41<fxiny>gurpreet: i did something ages ago in woody for xfce . can't remember but coud be a xfce.desktop like that
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08:42<gurpreet>fxiny, me too configured xdm in gentoo for fluxbox, it was in file /etc/rc.conf
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08:42<fxiny>gurpreet: DONE IT !
08:42<gurpreet>XSESSION="flubox" something like that
08:42<gurpreet>fxiny, how how?
08:42<fxiny>gurpreet: flux upstream 1.0 in /usr/local
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08:43<gurpreet>fxiny, i didnt got
08:43<fxiny>gurpreet: editing fluxbox.desktop
08:43<fxiny>gurpreet: i just want to check . i want the official one not the compiled . just checking
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08:44<fxiny>gurpreet: needs new config . mine old one are plain dead
08:44<fxiny>so new headeache
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08:45<gurpreet>fxiny, which config?
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08:45<bremner>ServerSide: typically unofficial repos will tell you how to add their key
08:45<fxiny>gurpreet: flux config . rebooting (my spare box)
08:46<fxiny>lupine_85: tx
08:46<gurpreet>fxiny, where is flux config dude? i dont know abt it
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08:46<bremner>ServerSide: are you sure there is not a duplicated line in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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08:47<fxiny>gurpreet: old configs are not working anymore with 1.0.0
08:47<bremner>ServerSide: By the way, the wine version in debian unstable is very recent
08:48<gurpreet>fxiny, i still didnt got which configs are u talking abt
08:48<gurpreet>u mean make's config files?
08:48<ServerSide>mh k
08:48<bremner>?
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08:49<fxiny>gurpreet: ~/.fluxbox
08:49<gurpreet>fxiny, there isn't any config file
08:49<fxiny>gurpreet: i'm totally jammed up :)
08:49<gurpreet>fxiny, in .fluxbox
08:49<gurpreet>fxiny, do u mean keys menu file etc?
08:49<fxiny>in yours maybe . mine is full up :)
08:51<fxiny>gurpreet: this 1.0.0 is a modern world ;)
08:52<gurpreet>fxiny, wow, how you updated? i am still on 0.9.14
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08:52<fxiny>gurpreet: if you want a rc3 get bpo . i do not want it so i just compiled it to see if is ok for me . i'm happy with etch version
08:53<fxiny>gurpreet: got it now !
08:53<gurpreet>fxiny, i am using fluxbox 1.0.0 on my gentoo
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08:54<fxiny>gurpreet: need to mv ~.fluxbox ~.fluxbox_old
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08:54<gurpreet>fxiny, they are nearly the same except new entries for controling mouse buttons in .fluxbox/keys
08:54<fxiny>gurpreet: yes ?
08:55<gurpreet>fxiny, i was unable to notice any other difference
08:55<fxiny>gurpreet: i read changelog yes , nothing inpressive . that's why i sai i'm happy with etch flux
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08:55<gurpreet>fxiny, fluxbox ppl are right. not much diffrence b/w .9 and 1.0 :)
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08:56<fxiny>gurpreet: a pale new default style . a vampire would love it not me :P
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08:57<fxiny>gurpreet: it can't automagiacally load my /usr/local/mrxvt . i'll do it manually later
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08:58<gurpreet>fxiny, you can. use .fluxbox/startup
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08:58<fxiny>gurpreet: i have it compiled woth gome and kde support . to see how it works
08:59<fxiny>gurpreet: i was wrong : found mrxvt menu entry
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08:59<fxiny>gurpreet: i'm not inmpressed at all
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09:00<gurpreet>fxiny, there is a script fluxbox-generate_menu in gentoo
09:00<OzalexO>hi. need help: how to install videodriver for intel gma 950 (integrated)? debian 4.0rc1.
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09:01<fxiny>gurpreet: same here , plus a fluxbox-remote and a flux-update_configs
09:01<gurpreet>fxiny, do gentoo has this script fluxbox-generate_menu?
09:02<fxiny>no idea , i have it
09:02<witte>OzalexO: you can use the intel driver, but i am not sure that the one in etch is new enough
09:03<witte>OzalexO: can you do "man intel" in a terminal and check if the driver supports the 945G or similar chipset
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09:03<fxiny>gurpreet: bruteforcing a update_configs :)
09:03<fxiny>lemme see
09:04<fxiny>gurpreet: what the hell ! mouse wheel scrolls workspaces ! that's no good
09:04<gurpreet>fxiny, its default dehaviour
09:04<gurpreet>behaviour*
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09:05<robert__>Hola, quisiera saber si hay corel para Ubuntu?
09:05<witte>OzalexO: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel for the intel driver
09:05<fxiny>gurpreet: i don't like it
09:05<fxiny>mentor: i hate mouse wheel
09:05<fxiny>ops
09:05<witte>!tell robert__ about ubuntu
09:05<fxiny>mentor: sorry
09:06<fxiny>gurpreet: ^^^
09:06<witte>!tell robert__ about es
09:06<robert__>!es
09:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:06<gurpreet>fxiny, use the entry "onDesktop Mouse4/5" for controlling this, in .fluxbox/leys
09:06<gurpreet>fxiny, .fluxbox/keys
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09:06<robert__>debian-es
09:07<gurpreet>fxiny, and this is _only_ in fluxbox 1.0
09:07<robert__>Hay Corel para Ubuntu?
09:07<OzalexO>witte, apt-get: "cannot find package for xserver-xorg-video-intel"
09:07<azeem>robert__: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
09:07<OzalexO>witte, "man intel" doesn't work
09:08<gsimmons>OzalexO: For etch/stable, your graphics chipset is supported by the Xorg `i810' driver (provided by the 'xserver-xorg-video-i810' package).
09:08<OzalexO>witte, unfortunately I don't know how to use use the intel driver. it's my first installation.
09:08<fxiny>gurpreet: i do not like it at all . i hate when things changes basic usage of desktop "a la windows"
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09:09<gurpreet>fxiny, you can disable it from .fluxbox/keys
09:09<witte>OzalexO: gsimmons is right, just logged into my server to check it (what i told was for unstable)
09:09<gurpreet>fxiny, but its good, there is no other useful thing to do when u move mouse wheel on root window
09:09<witte>OzalexO: basically, everything remains the same, just replace intel with i810 in the things i told before
09:09<fxiny>gurpreet: i'm not gonna run flux 1.0 until lenny will be released . just checking
09:10<witte>OzalexO: and to reconfigure your xserver, do what dpkg will tell you next
09:10<gurpreet>fxiny, you also using stable version of etch?
09:10<witte>!tell OzalexO about drxx
09:10<OzalexO>gsimmons, actually, it looks like that the i810 driver is used already. but with 1280x1024 resolution all screensavers are so slow... (
09:10<fxiny>gurpreet: i wasn't in root windows . i was scrolling mrxvt output !
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09:11<gurpreet>fxiny, check again, mrxvt might not be in focus
09:11<witte>during that reconfiguration, you have to choose i810 for the driver
09:11<witte>OzalexO: oh, the driver is used
09:11<fxiny>gurpreet: i belive i can do my own settings anyway . just playing
09:11<witte>OzalexO: never mind in that case, the problem will be something else
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09:12<fxiny>gurpreet: focus or not focus switching to another workspace is wrong
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09:12<witte>OzalexO: are only the 3d screensavers slow or every screenserver?
09:12<gurpreet>fxiny, depends on taste dude. it is wrong if it doesnt give any option to stop it. like in fluxbox 0.9
09:12<fxiny>gurpreet: wheels are for scrollbar only . imho
09:12<gurpreet>fxiny, but in 1.0 we can disable it
09:13<fxiny>gurpreet: why they enabled it ? is wrong
09:13<gurpreet>fxiny, if the focus is on windows then scrollbars are moved. if focus is on root window then desktops are switched
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09:13<gurpreet>fxiny, but this is was same in flubox 0.9. didnt u noticed it there?
09:13<gurpreet>this was*
09:14<OzalexO>witte, xserver reconfigured (i think, I used "X -configure" cmd). Screensaver "Gadgets & Simulations/Fireworks" is very slow. I suppose that it's 2D ssaver.
09:14<fxiny>gurpreet: flux is for cli keyboard addicts : wheels should only scroll bars otherwise we move to gnome or kde. is wrong
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09:15<gurpreet>fxiny, ok dude. i agree :)
09:15<fxiny>gurpreet: :))
09:15<gurpreet>fxiny, :)
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09:16<fxiny>gurpreet: anything else you already discovered ?
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09:16<witte>OzalexO: you have the correct driver, so that should be ok so i have no real idea what the problem could be
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09:18<fxiny>gurpreet: you know ? mrxvt 5.3 has the rounded tabs , right ? . i've configured it without !?
09:18<fxiny>and if lenny get "rounded" i'll use mine !
09:19<user01>where does swf on a webpage get stored? the flash video goes to tmp but i cant seem to find swf files
09:19<witte>OzalexO: you could check /var/log/Xorg.0.conf for errors and warnings ("cat /var/log/Xorg.0.conf | grep ^\(EE\)" and "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.conf | grep ^\(WW\)")
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09:20<gurpreet>fxiny, mrxvt? you seems crazy for it. its been a week you are configuring that
09:20<witte>OzalexO: oops, typo: replace Xorg.0.conf with Xorg.0.log
09:20<mentor>user01: web cache?
09:20<fxiny>gurpreet: when i feel for a glossy desktop i run the magnificient gnome and kde . when i want my brain not to be bombarded by subliminal "roundnesses" i use flux ;)
09:20<gurpreet>fxiny, lol
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09:21<fxiny>gurpreet: no icons around : only peace :)
09:21<gurpreet>fxiny, me too like emtpy desktop
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09:22<a_senna>anibal_, r u there?
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09:22<witte>fxiny, gurpreet: cosign, i use windowmaker, and i usually have a plain black background :-)
09:23<gurpreet>witte, i never tried windowmaker, i've used wmii though :)
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09:23<gurpreet>enlightenment is good too wrt effects
09:23<OzalexO>witte, there are no errors but a lot of warnings. i sent them via private msg.. could you please have a look?
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09:24<witte>OzalexO: no pm, but you can put them in a pastebin
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09:24<witte>!paste
09:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
09:24<fxiny>witte: i believe our brain is stressed by continuously trying to ignore the futile reduntants icons messages : we trained it on plain words
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09:26<witte>fxiny: some people do not understand that if you have to use your mouse, both hand can not do anything, and that you can be more productive without a mouse...
09:28<user01>mentor, cant seem to find it in cache in user directory
09:28<fxiny>witte: linux found a proper way to use that monster : mouse cp/pasting on a terminal is sublime . need to think more on the lateral swing ;)
09:28<pretender84>I just installed festival, but I get the following error
09:29<pretender84>festival> (SayText "Hello") Linux: can't open /dev/dsp #<Utterance 0xb6ad2918>
09:29<OzalexO>witte, i'm sorry, but i don't understand what does it mean "pm" and "pastebin" ((
09:29<pretender84>anyone have an idea about what is going on?
09:29<witte>OzalexO: pm is short for private message
09:29<witte>OzalexO: and pastebin is what dpkg will tell you now
09:29<witte>!pastebin
09:29<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
09:30<gurpreet>i am trying to compile conky in debian using dpkg-buildpackage, but i am getting error "package requirements (xmms2-client) were not met"
09:30<gurpreet>there is a package by the name xmms2-client-cli and it is already installed
09:30<witte>OzalexO: if you put it in a pastebin instead of private messaging me, everyone will be able to have a look, not just me, who is not certain that he is able to help ;-)
09:31<fxiny>gurpreet: wf4x ! it loads kde in a split second !
09:31<gurpreet>fxiny, wf4x? what is it. its not in my repos
09:32<fxiny>gurpreet: the au xxxx ;)
09:32<gurpreet>fxiny, what?
09:32<fxiny>is at the same time a beer and a f*k :))
09:33<gurpreet>fxiny, lol
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09:33<fxiny>s/wf4x/wtf4x
09:34<gurpreet>fxiny, wtf4x is also not in my repos
09:34<witte>gurpreet: notice the "x", it is most likely his pr0n collection ;-)
09:35<fxiny>gurpreet:check this one : right click , fluxbox menu >window managers > kde
09:35<gurpreet>fxiny, yes i know it will load kde
09:35<fxiny>in a second !
09:35<gurpreet>fxiny, i don't have entry for kde there, although kde is installed
09:35<fxiny>i smell a dead rat ...
09:35<SpeedyG>sorry fnordus :)
09:35<gurpreet>fxiny, dunno why, but who cares
09:36<SpeedyG>euh fxiny
09:36<SpeedyG>:)
09:36<fxiny> gurpreet i'm doing it on a spare box
09:36<fxiny>SpeedyG: yes ?
09:36<gurpreet>fxiny, i don't use kde anymore, but i just use its packages once in a while
09:36<SpeedyG>the dead rat ;) had some beer last night, awfull farts now :p
09:36<OzalexO>witte, ok, now I know what is pastebin. cool. the link: http://pastebin.mozilla-russia.org/90395
09:36<gurpreet>fxiny, like k3b and amarok when i want a change from xmms2
09:37<fxiny>gurpreet: i have kde and gnome . don't use but i keep en eye on 'em
09:37<witte>OzalexO: you could also try the 915resolution package
09:37<witte>!tell OzalexO about 915resolution
09:37<fxiny>SpeedyG: au ?
09:38<fxiny>gurpreet: it opens mc in mrxvt . that's nice
09:39<gurpreet>fxiny, may be you have set mrxvt as your default console
09:39<OzalexO>witte, as far as I know, this package is resolve the problem with resolution. but I'am using 1280x1024 at the moment. but anyway I will try it now. Have I restart xserver after the 915res package installation?
09:40<witte>OzalexO: i am really not sure on this
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09:40<fxiny>gurpreet: nope . i need to edit something or it will open 9 tabs .
09:40<OzalexO>witte, by the way, could you please tell me how to restart xserver without PC restart?
09:40<gurpreet>OzalexO, ctrl-atl-backspace
09:41<OzalexO>witte, thanks!
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09:41<witte>OzalexO: ^^ or you can /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or kdm,...)
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09:46<ozalexo>witte, there are the same warnings and no errors after 915resolution installation, Screensavers are slow still.
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09:49<ben_>hey all. I'm pulling my hair out with sound issues since the summer. I apt-get dist-upgrade, and ever since, my gnome-volume-manager crashes. Where's the right place to get help about this?
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09:49<ben_>sorry gnome-volume-control
09:49<witte>ozalexo: ok, i looked at its description and you are right, it will not really help, but i think it does nothing wrong as well
09:49<ben_>I get no sound whatsoever
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09:54<gurpreet>i'm trying to compile conky. in the configure step if i add --enable-xmms2 then configure gives this error "configure: error: Package requirements (xmms2-client) were not met"
09:55<gurpreet>someone please tell me the solution for this
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10:01<whitehorse1>Hi, I'm running etch on a server (VPS). I have the uname -a output, a 2.6.18 OpenVZ SMP flavor, but I want to ask about output of perl -MDBI -e 'DBI->installed_versions'. OS reported there as "linux (2.6.22-3-amd64). Does that refer to a) the host machine the openvz server's on, or b) the platform the Perl components in etch were built on?
10:01<gurpreet>i've installed xmms2-client-cli but still same error is coming
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10:03<whitehorse1>I'm assuming the latter, because trying the cmd on my Lenny desktop now outputs just '2.6.22.10'. ...but assuming makes something out of me so I hear :)
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10:09<gsimmons>gurpreet: You'd likely need to install either the 'libxmmsclient-dev' or 'libxmmsclient++-dev' package.
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10:09<gurpreet>gsimmons, oic. thanks
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10:10<whitehorse1>shock horror :O
10:10<whitehorse1>...sorry.
10:11<ozalexo>witte, thank you for your help. Bye!
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10:12<Trinchen>Hi there.
10:13<gurpreet>gsimmons, yes, you were right dude, many thanks
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10:20<gurpreet>gsimmons, one thing, i installed both of the packages you told me and their dependencies. now can i find out and remove the unused one? as only only one is necessary other is not. but i don't know which one.
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10:21<gurpreet>gsimmons, is there any aptitude command for automatically remove the unused one?
10:21<gurpreet>to*
10:21<JasonF>Hi all, all the sudden my pxe boot image of etch is failing saying it cannot find kernel modules on the mirror -- has anything changed with the installer kernel? i.e. do I need to update my pxe image?
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10:25<gurpreet>what is the aptitude command to remove unused packages?
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10:30<luis>Hola
10:31<the-dude>gurpreet: use deborphan of try apt-get autoremove
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10:32<gurpreet>the-dude, thanks dude
10:32<gsimmons>gurpreet: Remove the 'libxmmsclient++-dev' package, Conky isn't implemented in C++. Automatically installed dependencies will be removed if you used aptitude for the initial install.
10:32<gurpreet>gsimmons, i used synaptic for initial install it uses aptitude in backend (i think)
10:33<gurpreet>gsimmons, i think i should remove both, coz now conky is compiled and i don't need any of them
10:33<ben_>can anyone help me with deciphering this: http://pastebin.org/13624 when i run gnome-volume-control?
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10:34<gurpreet>does synaptic use aptitude as backend?
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10:35<chester_martins>can anybody say me how can i install a command-line system of Debian with cd?
10:35<gsimmons>grummund: That's fine, but you will need to have 'libxmmsclient0' remain installed.
10:35<gurpreet>gsimmons, yes, i have removed just the -dev versions
10:36<gurpreet>gsimmons, does synaptic use aptitude as backend?
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10:40<chester_martins>cp: omitindo diretório `/home/rui/.mozilla-thunderbird/'
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10:41<chester_martins>why when i try to copy this folder this error appears?
10:41<gurpreet>what is the use of initrd in the /boot/grub/menu.lst?
10:41<witte>!initrd
10:41<dpkg>[initrd] initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd
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10:43<gurpreet>witte, thanks
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10:44<robert__>y en el IRC
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10:44<robert__>me encontraste?
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10:44<witte>robert__: english please
10:44<bremner>!es
10:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:47<gsimmons>gurpreet: (re synaptic) No. Both aptitude and synaptic are front-ends to APT.
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10:47<gurpreet>gsimmons, means if i use synaptic to install packages then aptitude will not be able to log it?
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10:48<gurpreet>gsimmons, and hence won't be able to autoremove unneeded packages?
10:48<bremner>!tell chester_martins about install guide
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10:51<twb>$ dpkg -l ==> dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 33891 package `adonthell-data': EOF during value of field `Description' (missing final newline)
10:51<twb>...how do I unfuck my system?
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10:52<petemc>!available
10:52<dpkg>i guess available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above.
10:53<twb>And if I don't have dselect installed?
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10:54<bremner>twb: just guessing, but aptitude update should do the same. Can anyone confirm?
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10:54<petemc>why wouldnt you have dselect installed?
10:54<twb>bremner: doesn't help.
10:54<twb>petemc: because it's old, unwieldy, confusing and ugly.
10:55<cosme>i can confirm
10:55<bremner>twb: did you move available somewhere first
10:55<bremner>?
10:55<twb>Yes.
10:55<bremner>twb: /var is full?
10:55<cosme>does anyone have some butter?
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10:55<twb>bremner: only 100G free
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10:56<twb>On a related note, I was messing with insserv from incoming and upstart from experimental.
10:56<cosme>is this a windows chatroom?
10:56<twb>Oh, and uswsusp
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10:56<twb>cosme: no.
10:56<twb>cosme: try the ##windows channel on irc.freenode.net
10:56<cosme>ohh i figured i was typing into a window so it was a windows chatroom
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10:57<cosme>i will revert back to text
10:57<gsimmons>twb: Try "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available". You might need to call "dpkg --update-avail" on your new file.
10:57<cosme>i dont have windows sorry
10:57<cosme>bye
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10:58<silensius>after a apt-get update i have this message : Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
10:58<twb>silensius: that's saying it's already up-to-date
10:58<witte>!ign
10:58<dpkg>hmm... ign is when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download"
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10:59<twb>Oops, I'm wrong again.
10:59<rafael>re
10:59<silensius>ok it's not a error message ?
10:59<twb>gsimmons: thanks, that seemed to work.
10:59<gsimmons>twb: np
10:59<twb>silensius: it's an ignorable error
11:00<silensius>ok
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11:02<silensius>thanks happy chrismas
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11:02<twb>Boo.
11:02<twb>If you're gonna say anything, it should be about _Agnostica_!
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11:03<josh1>help
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11:04<twb>josh1: some more detail would be useful
11:04<fxiny>like "i need help" :P
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11:04<josh1>i am having trouble setting up my debian linux server as a web server when i type in my i.p in a web browser it is unable to connect
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11:05<twb>josh1: what is the output of `aptitude search ~i~Phttpd' ?
11:06<josh1>i apache2-mpm-prefork - Traditional model for Apache HTTPD 2.1
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11:08<josh1>any ideas?
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11:09<witte>josh1: is the server running? ps aux | grep apache
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11:11<josh1>?
11:12<witte>did you try the command i gave?
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11:12<josh1>root 11062 0.0 0.2 2848 696 pts/0 R+ 16:13 0:00 grep apache
11:13<witte>josh1: if that is the only line, the webserver is not runnnig
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11:13<josh1>o, could you help me get it up and running please?
11:14<valdyn>josh1: how did you disable it?
11:14<witte>josh1: /etc/init.d/apache2 start
11:14<josh1>Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.load: No such file or directory
11:15<josh1> failed!
11:15<valdyn>josh1: what did you do?
11:15<valdyn>josh1: that configuration is not broken by default.
11:16<josh1>i typed in /etc/init.d/apache2 start the only thing i have done is tried to install vhcs2 and the reason that didnt work was because of that same error
11:16<witte>josh1: a2enmod userdir
11:16<witte>josh1: i think
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11:16<josh1>Module userdir installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.
11:17<josh1>then i typed that
11:17<josh1>Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.0.8 for ServerName
11:17<josh1>httpd (no pid file) not running
11:17<josh1>apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.0.8 for ServerName
11:18<the-dude>what does less /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.load say?
11:18<josh1>i just tested in my browser and it works thanks a lot
11:18<rafael>apache tztztz
11:18<rafael>allways this admins ;-)
11:18<rafael>always
11:18<rafael>?
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11:19<witte>josh1: i think /etc/hosts is not set up correctly for your hostname
11:19<fxiny>yes , fix the fqdn
11:19<josh1>oh
11:20<witte>josh1: it works now, but it is not yet running as it should
11:20<josh1>ok how do i set them up correctly
11:20<witte>!hostname
11:20<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
11:20<witte>josh1: you will also find a bunch of examples if you google for /etc/hostname
11:21<valdyn>how can he not have a hostname?
11:21<witte>josh1: or better: search for /etc/hosts
11:21<valdyn>considering d-i asks for one
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11:22<fxiny>type : hostname --fqdn
11:22<witte>valdyn: there are more ways to screw up a system than there are ways to repair it ;-)
11:22<josh1>ok
11:22<valdyn>witte: yea, he alread showed that
11:22<josh1>so i edit the /etc/hosts file
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11:24<josh1>this is what i have in my hosts file
11:24<valdyn>josh1: what did "hostname -fqdn" give?
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11:24<josh1>127.0.0.1 fishtank.local localhost
11:24<josh1>192.168.0.8 fishtank fishtank
11:24<josh1>o ok hold on
11:25<valdyn>ops, --fqdn even
11:25<witte>josh1: don't paste here, or you will be kicked, use a paster
11:25<fxiny>hostname -fqdn gives one line only
11:25<josh1>it just comes up with fishtank
11:26<fxiny>that's not a fqdn
11:26<josh1>ok?
11:27<fxiny>i bet you don't run postfix , don't you ?
11:27<josh1>no
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11:29<josh1>i have postfix installed
11:29<fxiny>does it run ?
11:30<josh1>dont know
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11:31<fxiny>josh1: just get the fqdn right . is a basic thing .
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11:31<valdyn>josh1: 192.168.0.8 fishtank fishtank should be 192.168.0.8 fishtank fishtank.local, for instance
11:31<fxiny>hollo: your /etc/host is wrong . ask yourself why there are two fishtank
11:31<fxiny>ops
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11:32<josh1>its the same on my other server and everything seems to operate correctly
11:33<fxiny>josh1: a fqdn is in the form fishtank.example.com or fishtank.my.flat
11:33<josh1>ok
11:33<valdyn>josh1: apache2 works just fine without a fqdn, it just spits out that warning
11:33<valdyn>josh1: you dont need to fix that, you just can
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11:35<josh1>ok
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11:35<josh1>another thing, i used dydns to register a domain for my external i.p and it just defaults to the router configuration, how do i change that?
11:36<twb>josh1: install ez-ipupdate on the router
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11:36<josh1>ok
11:36<twb>There's another package, but I forget the name
11:37<josh1>on to the router?
11:37<twb>updatedd-mod-dyndns
11:37<twb>Yes, on the router.
11:38<josh1>how do i do that
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11:38<twb>Installing it on a server masquerading behind the router won't work, because it won't receive events when the pppd reboots.
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11:38<twb>josh1: well, on an OpenWRT router you'd do something like `ssh ymir ipkg install ez-ipupdate' and `ssh -t ymir mg /etc/ez-ipupdate.conf'
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11:39<twb>Obviously if you're running stock firmware you're fucked; you either have that functionality hidden somewhere in the web interface or you can't do it.
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11:39<twb>...or you could be using Debian on an old laptop or something as your router, in which case it's just aptitude install blah
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11:43<josh1>my router had a dynamic dns settings in the configuration
11:43<josh1>so i typed in the service provider and host name etc.
11:44<josh1>and its still the same problem
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11:44<twb>josh1: I don't care anymore
11:44<twb>josh1: discuss it with your router support people
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11:46<bremner>twb: first create an empty /var/lib/dpkg/available && aptitude install dselect && dselect update
11:48<twb>bremner: gsimmons fixed it
11:50<bremner>twb: step away for 20 minutes and miss all the fun :-)
11:51<josh1>i cannot externaly ssh into my server that is the problem
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11:52<josh1>its refusing the connection
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11:53<josh1>?
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11:56<twb>bremner: sorry to put you to all that trouble
11:56<twb>josh1: are you using ip masquerading?
11:57<josh1>no
11:57<valdyn>josh1: sure you cannot by default, you are accessing the router
11:57<josh1>ye
11:57<valdyn>!port forwarding
11:57<dpkg>[port forwarding] handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See transparent proxy for more info. See port forward for more info also
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11:57<twb>So you *are* using ip masquerading!
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11:58<valdyn>josh1: you need to enable portforwarding of port 2 to your debian box, on the router
11:58<valdyn>josh1: port 22 even
11:58<josh1>im sure i have but ill check
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11:59<josh1>yes i have inbound and outbound
11:59<valdyn>josh1: nonsense
11:59<valdyn>josh1: show us what you have, somehow you should be able to paste that
11:59<twb>ssh is port 22
11:59<twb>See /etc/services
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12:00<josh1>nothing to realy paste]
12:00<josh1>ill screenshot
12:00<valdyn>josh1: how does your router call "port forwarding"?
12:00<valdyn>josh1: alright
12:00<josh1>firewall rules
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12:00<bremner>twp: no prob, I got obsessed with the puzzle. Happy new year!
12:01<twb>Bah
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12:01<valdyn>josh1: let's see the screenshot
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12:02<josh1>ok uploading
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12:03<spq>how can i create a deb package from a source tree which has a debian subdirectory with the files changelog compat control copyright rules in it
12:03<josh1>http://i4.tinypic.com/717gzrq.jpg
12:03<valdyn>spq: cd sourcetree; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
12:04<spq>danke :)
12:04<josh1>its there valdyn
12:04<spq>oh, thanks
12:04<spq>(wrong language ;)
12:04<valdyn>josh1: that outbound rules have no effect as the "Default" line allows all already
12:05<valdyn>josh1: that is perfectly fine though leave as is if you are lazy
12:05<josh1>ok but that shouldnt effect anything
12:05<valdyn>josh1: can i see your internet ip?
12:05<valdyn>josh1: dont paste it here though
12:06<valdyn>josh1: right, exactly
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12:07<valdyn>josh1: i can ssh in just fine
12:07<valdyn>josh1: except that i have no login ;)
12:07<josh1>can you?
12:07<josh1>oh
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12:08<valdyn>josh1: im using the ip on /whois josh1
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12:11<olive>kr
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12:18<Yoschi>abend
12:18<Yoschi>ich habe eine kleine frage^^
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12:19<Yoschi>also ich nutze ubuntun und wollte mir mal debian ansehen gesagt getan installiert und jetzt würde ich gerne wissen wie kann man in debian die proprietären packete freischalten?(also in synaptic)
12:19<JasonS>!de
12:19<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
12:19<Yoschi>ok i am sry
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12:40<josep>ALGUIEN EN ESPAÑO ?
12:40<Supaplex>!es
12:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:41<love>SSSSSSSSSS
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12:43<SANJI>FFFFFFFFFF
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12:44<Woland>happy new year, guys!
12:45<BlueG>I want to install bibletime on etch, but there its not in the repository... there is a version in sarge, and another in sid, but not in etch... what is the best way to handle this?
12:45<twb>BlueG: that is probably because it had release-critical bugs
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12:46<lupine_85>backport from sid?
12:47<fxiny>is avaiable >> 1.0.3-1.3
12:47<fxiny>just -d installed
12:48<fxiny>bitlbee_1.0.3-1.3_i386.deb
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12:48<fxiny>mine buzzs in a vserver :P
12:48<BlueG>twb: ok, so what can I do about that?
12:48<twb>NFI, backport?
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12:49<fxiny>BlueG: what repo is yours ? i've checked de.
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12:49<BlueG>fxiny: us
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12:51<fxiny>BlueG: dunno about security problems , i ain't seen any mail
12:52<fxiny>59cde044babc140594e81ea607122d3f /var/cache/apt/archives/bitlbee_1.0.3-1.3_i386.deb
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12:59<mu>hi, i'm running a testing system and just installed some X packages from unstable. I started getting symptoms similar to bug 454097, but don't have a .profile or .xprofile to edit (I use zsh). A new user can log in successfully, as can i if i use XFCE instead of GNOME. What can I look for?
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13:04<kurumin>hi
13:05<BlueG>ummm, so, what are my options for installing bibletime on etch? if I add the sarge repositories, it fails, but if I add sid, it will want to upgrade everything to sid, right?
13:06<kurumin>what?
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13:07<kurumin>kj
13:07<fxiny>lemme change to us
13:07<kurumin>what?
13:08<bremner>BlueG: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version
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13:09<fxiny>is avaiable > 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/main Packages
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13:14<mu>guess it's XFCE for me for now then. thanks anyway.
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13:17<msan>I've just recently switched over to Lenny from Etch, but one of the things I notice is that if I plug in an ethernet cable into my laptop, it does not get recognised. If I reboot the system, it then gets recognised and I can see it using ifconfig -a
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13:18<msan>This used to work just fine in Etch.
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13:22<DaCapn>I'm doing an install and I set up a multidisk device for raid at one point, then restarted the install because I changed my mind. I can't seem to delete the MD device, the installer says that it's in use and formatting the drives (hdc and hdd) fails. I keep on deleting the partition table and trying to repartition, but it doesn't seem to help
13:25<twb>DaCapn: you have to delete the raid device before deleting the array element partitions
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13:27<valdyn>BlueG: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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13:40<mp>does anybody know a way to generate a list of all packages on a system which were installed from a particular source (ie, from backports)?
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13:44<valdyn>mp: backports packages have bpo in their versions -> "dpkg -l | grep bpo" or somesuch
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13:44<twb>aptitude search ~i~Aexperimental ?
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13:45<valdyn>neat, im not familiar with aptitude's search
13:45<mp>hmm, neither of those methods seem to be giving me a listing
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13:45<valdyn>mp: so you have nothing from backports.org installed?
13:46<twb>aptitude search ~Vbpo
13:46<twb>...that searches for packages with versions matching the regexp "bpo"
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13:46<twb>~i~Vbpo will restrict it to installed packages
13:46[~]mp tries
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13:46<twb>-F %p to only list the package name
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13:48<mp>that seems to be giving me what i need for now. thanks for the help.
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13:54<simonrvn>ah V, tried v the other day and only got virtual packages, doh!
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14:01<ia64>happy new year guys. anyone with Postfix SMTP-AUTH experience?
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14:03<Supaplex>~blame SASL2
14:03[~]dpkg blames dmobi and SASL2 for all the evil in the world
14:04<ia64>absolutely annoying issue - can't authenticate myself with SASL
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14:12<ezra>I am looking for a good trust tool in debian to test memory in a x64 system
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14:14<fxiny>vi are unter attack
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14:16<fxiny>reaping time !
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14:17<fxiny>i can hear them masters crying :P
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14:21[~]fxiny detects unusual gamma-spam radiation
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14:22<FelipeSouza>www.debian.org/releases/ says that "Testing" hae the newer versions of softwares, but http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives says that "Unstable" have the newer versions, what's the right?
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14:26<chealer>FelipeSouza: what's your native language?
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14:29<blarson>FelipeSouza: packages migrate from unstable to testing to stable. so unstable is the newest.
14:30<FelipeSouza>According to www.debian.org/releases/, the newest versions are in "testing", but according to http://ww.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives, they are in "unstable". Which webpage have the right information?
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14:31<FelipeSouza>s/ww/www
14:31<blarson>FelipeSouza: unstable will have the newest and least-tested versions.
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14:33<FelipeSouza>blarson, ok, thanks
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14:34[~]simonrvn bets he's gonna try to "install" unstable now...
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14:50<DaCapn>twb thanks for the suggestion, I had to restart the installation and the MD device was gone, not sure where the error was exactly but it appears to be settled now
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15:16<_IronSid3_>What some behalf of client similar to the e-mule? Am using amule but does not work.
15:16<wusel>hmmm search for xen packages with http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xen&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all somehow yields very contradictory output messages ...
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15:26<knoppix_>hello all
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15:38<josse>what's the minimum ram do I need to run Debian?
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15:41<josse>anyone here?
15:42<JasonS>josse: did you check on debians website?
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15:44<mp>josse http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en
15:44<josse>I thought this would be faster
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15:45<JasonS>josse: ahh so we do your leg work then?
15:46<josse>if someone asked me how much ram you need for Ubuntu, I would simply tell them 256 and that would be it.
15:46<josse>but thanks for the link mp
15:46<mp>np
15:47<josse>can you also install a Lamp server just like on Ubuntu?
15:48<mp>i don't know if there is a meta package for it like ubuntu has, but installing the individual components is easy
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15:49<josse>what would be the basic difference. I know that Ubuntu is based on Debian. ?
15:49<dondelelcaro>josse: if you install the same packages the differences should be minimal.
15:49<dondelelcaro>josse: but if you really want to know, you have to look at the interdiff of the packages. Since most of us don't run ubuntu, we can't tell you.
15:51<Solar_Ecliptor>Hmm, does anyone know which of the 21 cds for debian i386 contain gnome or kde?
15:52<josse>what is the "interdiff" ?
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15:55<dondelelcaro>Solar_Ecliptor: they're ordered by popularity. That said, you don't need to download any of them.
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15:55<dondelelcaro>josse: the difference between the diff.gz of the packages that Debian distributes and the diff.gz of the packages that ubuntu distributes.
15:55<dondelelcaro>(conveniently examined using interdiff)
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15:56<Solar_Ecliptor>dondelelcaro, was hoping to find/download the cd contain kde/gnome to do an offline installation.
15:56<Solar_Ecliptor>*I was hoping
15:56<dondelelcaro>!cd contents
15:56<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
15:56<JasonS>Solar_Ecliptor: generally disk 1 will have gnome if you install x and a desktop system if i recall correctly
15:56<Solar_Ecliptor>oh, thanks
15:57<dondelelcaro>Solar_Ecliptor: they're ordered by popularity, so generally the first couple are good enough
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15:57<dondelelcaro>Solar_Ecliptor: that said, if you prefer kde or gnome, you should get one of the DVDs instead.
15:58<chealer>Solar_Ecliptor: GNOME is on CD 1, KDE is on CD 3 and on KDE CD 1.
15:58<Solar_Ecliptor>Thanks chealer
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16:01<istoc>Hi, where's a good place to keep a bunch of media files that are used by multiple users? I tried making a ftp user and including the other users in the ftp group and changing group permissions for /home/ftp to rwxrwxrx but it still doesn't work.
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16:01<Ita>Hola, alguien me puede ayudar a configurar mi conexion adsl en debian sarge
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16:02<Ita>recuerdo que debo modificar ifconfig con el editor por consola
16:02<Ita>pero no lo recuerdo el comando
16:02<JasonS>!es
16:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:03<Ita>ok
16:03<Ita>:(
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16:24<jrolland-iMac>I can't load foo2zjf from ftp.egr.msu.edu
16:24<jrolland-iMac>It also complains of "not authenticating"
16:24<jrolland-iMac>Is this a known problem?
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16:25<mp>jrolland-iMac, looks like their ftp server is dorked
16:26<mp>feel free to use ours if you like: mirrors.xmission.com
16:27<jrolland-iMac>can someone walk me through switching?
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16:27<jrolland-iMac>I always seem to get an error
16:28<mp>you'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
16:28<mp>replace the hostname of the broken server with one that works. a complete list is found here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
16:29<mp>(also, back the file up before you edit it) :]
16:29<jrolland-iMac>I get an error when I switch to your serveer
16:30<mp>what error?
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16:32<jrolland-iMac>"couldn't source stat package list"
16:32<jrolland-iMac>Oops - "stat source"
16:33<JasonS>jrolland-iMac: did an update first?
16:35<jrolland-iMac>No - what do you mean by doing an update?
16:35<JasonS>jrolland-iMac: aptitude update or apt-get update before you try install
16:35<jrolland-iMac>OK
16:36<jrolland-iMac>OK, that appears to be working
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16:36<jrolland-iMac>Let you know in a minute
16:36<jrolland-iMac>Thanks
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16:36<sido>DCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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16:36<some>anyone here know how to block connection to specific ip/port?
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16:36<jrolland-iMac>OK, now it works
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16:37<JasonS>!ops sido is trying that lame dlink disconnect junk
16:37<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: sido is trying that lame dlink disconnect junk
16:37<jrolland-iMac>I'm off to the races - thanks
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16:37<JasonS>even better
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16:44<BlueG>I still don't understand how to install one package (and possibly some dependancies) from testing or unstable, without anything else upgrading to testing or unstable next time I update... whether I use apt or synaptic, it seems that adding the testing or unstable repo will cause everything else to try to upgrade...
16:46<kop>BlueG: I think backports.org is the "offical" way to get newer stuff into stable.
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16:46<BlueG>kop: how does that work?
16:47<kop>BlueG: Dunno.
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16:51<dondelelcaro>BlueG: it works, and yes, it's the proper way.
16:52<dondelelcaro>BlueG: the reason being is that most things in testing and unstable require newer versions of core libraries, which will lead to everything being upgraded
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16:52<dondelelcaro>(there is some thought about making the dependencies on libraries more correct than they are now, but that's quite a ways out (and an amazing amount of work))
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16:54<BlueG>dondelelcaro: ok... so it is another repo to add, right? but won't that still try to install everything available through backports when I click upgrade, simply because the versions are newer? (even though the may not upgrade libraries since they are compiled with older ones?)
16:54<BlueG>or am I missing something here?
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16:54<dondelelcaro>BlueG: no, because it has a default priority which keeps that from happening.
16:54<dondelelcaro>!backports
16:54<dpkg>backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org>
16:54<dondelelcaro>!tell BlueG -about backports.org
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16:56<BlueG>ok, so by default nothing in backports is considered an "upgrade" they must be installed explicitly. sounds like what I am looking for
16:57<dondelelcaro>BlueG: right. If you're interested in the gory details, check out backports.org's Release file and man apt_preferences;
16:57<BlueG>ok
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16:58<posix>I just ran aptitude upgrade and some new fglrx modules installed.. now I'm getting artifacts all over the place, is there a way I can quickly revert to the previous version?
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16:59<dondelelcaro>posix: just select the older version in aptitude and install it. If it's not there, add an appropriate snapshot.debian.net entry to your sources.lisit
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17:07<BlueG>whoa! aptitude wants to remove 77 unused packages... is that usually safe? why didn't synaptic remove or suggest removing them? Does synaptic have an option for cleaning unused packages like that?
17:08<dondelelcaro>BlueG: I don't know, but look at what it's removing. If you use whatever it's removing, mark those packages as manually installed.
17:10<BlueG>dondelelcaro: well, they look like a bunch of libraries and stuff.. it seems conceivable they could all be unused... would just hate to see something unexpectedly break, but I did do a default desktop install with gnome, then swap to kde, so a bunch of gnome libraries could still be around unneeded...saving 88MB would be nice since this machine has a tiny HD
17:10<BlueG>btw, is there an option for a default kde desktop install?
17:11<Solar_Ecliptor>How do I install gnome from the debian CD (offline install) after installing the base debian system?
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17:11<dondelelcaro>BlueG: if they're all libraries, it should be ok
17:12<dondelelcaro>BlueG: worst case, you can reinstall something that you've removed.
17:12<DaCapn>Solar_Ecliptor if you're selecting packages to install, select the "desktop" entry or whatever it's called, that will have gnome and whatever else
17:12<BlueG>good point
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17:29<msan>I've just recently switched over to Lenny from Etch, but one of the things I notice is that if I plug in an ethernet cable into my laptop, it does not get recognised. If I reboot the system, it then gets recognised and I can see it using ifconfig -a. This used to work fine in Etch. Also, just restarting /etc/init.d/networking and company does not work either.
17:29<Supaplex>msan: is the driver in /etc/modules?
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17:31<BlueG>hmmm, strangely, my debian machine has suddenly lost internet connection... its plugged into the router right next to this machine... what might I do about that? should I just power cycle my modem and router, or can I try something like a dhcp release/renew first?
17:32<Supaplex>BlueG: can you ping the gateway address?
17:34<BlueG>Supaplex: hmm, no actually pinging the router gives "connect: Network is unreachable"
17:35<BlueG>but it is still plugged in and the router is still working... :-(
17:35<rockstar>BlueG, do you have a link light?
17:35<BlueG>yes, it is still on
17:36<mp>BlueG any clues in dmesg?
17:36<rockstar>BlueG, /sbin/ifconfig Do you have an IP address?
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17:37<BlueG>hmmm... "eth0: No IPv6 routers present"
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17:37<BlueG>ifconfig shows no eth0 interface, only lo
17:38<BlueG>what did I screw up?
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17:38<BlueG>do I need to tell it somehow to use IPv4?
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17:38<Supaplex>BlueG: no. 'no ipv6' is advisory only. try ifup eth0
17:39<BlueG>ah-ha! that fixed it
17:39<BlueG>any idea how i broke it in the first place? so I can not do it again? :-)
17:39<Supaplex>BlueG: review man interfaces, to see if you overlooked anything.
17:40<Supaplex>hint, pay special attention to 'auto'
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17:44<BlueG>Supaplex: /etc/network/interfaces has allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp.. not auto like is on lo...
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17:44<Supaplex>allow-hotplug isn't something I've explored.
17:44<Supaplex>hummm...
17:45<BlueG>its what I got with default install...
17:45<Supaplex>I use auto eth0 ... iface eth0 inet dhcp
17:45<BlueG>came up when I booted... was working fine till it mysteriously went down while running aptitude...
17:46<BlueG>hmmm, maybe I should make it auto... anyone else got an idea on this?
17:46<Supaplex>try it.
17:47<BlueG>Supaplex: when will I know if it works? after reboot?
17:47<mp>i've always used auto, but i wouldn't be surprised at all if hotplug was causing your problem
17:47[~]mp agrees with Supaplex
17:47<Supaplex>I'd run invoke-rc.d networking stop ; invoke-rc.d networking start
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17:50<BlueG>ok, will try that...
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17:50<Supaplex>!tell BlueG -about ep
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17:52<msan> Supaplex, sorry for the delay in responding. the e1000 is not listed in /etc/modules but doing an lsmod shows that it is loaded already.
17:54<twb>Why don't cpufreq userland tools believe my CPU supports frequency scaling?
17:54<twb>cpufreq_ondemand is happily modprobed
17:54<msan>what platform are you on ? intel or something else ?
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17:55<twb>AMD64
17:55<BlueG>Supaplex: seems to be working
17:55<twb>It *is* an entry level Sempron CPU, but the entry level P4 next to it seems to be happily cpufreq'ing away
17:55<Supaplex>BlueG: hurrah :)
17:57<BlueG>well, the package I want isn't in etch-backports either... I guess if I really must have it, I should upgrade to testing or something... well, that or downgrade to sarge...
17:57<BlueG>oops, sorry, the ellipses are a hard habit to break :(
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17:58<dondelelcaro>there's nothing wrong with ellipses; they're certainly better than pressing enter.
17:58<twb>There's such a thing as too many ellipses.
17:59[~]Supaplex ties twb up with millions of superglued ellipses
17:59<BlueG>LOL
17:59<Supaplex>don't diss the dots man. ;) they'll gang up on you!
17:59<dondelelcaro>rarely... though finding variety -- an emdash here and there -- is often useful.
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18:00<twb>That's an en dash!
18:00<BlueG>I guess I do tend to use ellipses almost like people who insert 'like, you know' about everyother sentence :(
18:01<Supaplex>don't stress over it.
18:01<twb>BlueG: I recko, fully ay.
18:01<Celelaptop>Je vous souhaite une très très mauvaise année et allez tous creuver.
18:01<twb>*reckon
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18:01<twb>Fortunately I have a TeX input method handy
18:02<twb>– —
18:02<twb>א₀
18:02<BlueG>haha, watch as I now begin to elliminate those superfluousspacesaswellNextthingyouknowIwillbetypingboustrephodonificanfigureouthowtodothat
18:02<BlueG>twb: that was interesting
18:03<twb>I can't shake the feeling that urxvt or xft have been kerning or antialiasing DVSM differently for the last couple of weeks.
18:03<asteroid>hny to those in the CET timezone
18:04<asteroid>and belate or a later hny to the others
18:05<walkies>how do I identify whether the hardware of my ethernet controller is correctly identified and configured?
18:05<msan>All right. Outta here. Everyone have a great New Year Celebration (if you haven't already gotten to it in your timezone yet).
18:05<msan>I'll try and resolve my problems tomorrow.
18:05<Supaplex>msan: mine is on back order
18:06<twb>What a load of bollocks
18:06<msan>lol @ back order
18:06<Supaplex>so I'm electing for a happy, preemptive new year
18:06<twb>Everyone knows the new year begins in MARCH
18:06<walkies>begins to suck in march
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18:06<msan>in March ?
18:06<walkies>first three months are awesome
18:07<Supaplex>it's those last few jipped days in Feb that throws us all off.
18:07<twb>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year
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18:07<BlueG>so, the package I am after appears to only be in sarge and sid, not etch, lenny, or etch-backports. Is there an option other than giving up, or swapping to one of these?
18:07<twb>Specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year#Historical_dates_for_the_new_year
18:07<tomcat>hello everyone
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18:07<twb>DECIMAL months!
18:07<JasonS>Supaplex: those days where we get up in the dark, go towork in the dark, come home in the dark days?
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18:07<twb>Starting in the start of spring!
18:07<Supaplex>!tell BlueG -about simple sid backport
18:07<msan>What package are you looking for BlueG ?
18:07<msan>interesting twb ...
18:08<BlueG>bibletime
18:08<Supaplex>Apr 6, 1BCE was a cool day. I won't say why, you'll have to go look it up. :)
18:09<twb>Supaplex: probably due to the lack of climate change
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18:09<tomcat>has anyone ever had problems with VIA Chrome9?
18:09<twb>not many CFCs at that time
18:09<Goethe>HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM THE NETHERLANDS
18:09<Supaplex>twb made a funny. HAH. no, that's not my reference.
18:09<twb>tomcat: I daresay the designers spent many long hours on it
18:09<Supaplex>:P
18:09<Supaplex>Goethe: yay! don't keep it all to yourself now. share with the next few timezones, ok? :)
18:10<walkies>hey, where can I find the debian howtos?
18:10<walkies>is it in /usr/share/doc?
18:10<Supaplex>I need to burnoff an a$&l04% of dvds. I'm so out of disk space.
18:11<twb>!leet
18:11<dpkg>/me is leet cos he can start lines with a /
18:11<tomcat>I tried to start Chrome9 under ubuntu6.10 and etch but nothing except vesa works
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18:36<dropel>sdfgsdfg
18:37<phogg>?
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18:41<arve>happy new year!
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18:46<deadcake>happy new yearrr
18:47<JasonS>bremner: why arent you out in freddy beach drinking?
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18:50<noname001> Happy New Year Everybody :)
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18:51<deadcake>happy new utc year!!
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18:53<arve>now Norway has passed midnight, long till you guys pass it?
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18:54<walkies>what do you guys think of sidux?
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19:07<bremner>JasonS: I'm in Deutschland. And since it is now just past one, I think I might go to sleep
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19:21<Supaplex>bremner: you haven't been asleep all year? Sounds rough.
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19:31<mcoleman>Hey everyone
19:32<bit0>hi!
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19:35<mcoleman>how is everyone doing tonight?
19:36<mcoleman>i got a quick question, if anyone can give me an honest opinion
19:37<mcoleman>I am looking for a generally easy distro to put on an old pIII, ubuntu is a little sluggish, and vector linux isnt user friendly enough for me to install, im kind of a newbie
19:37<bit0>mcoleman, try an ancient debian distro....
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19:39<Supaplex>if openwrt only had x11 support huh? ;)
19:39<BaD_CrC>i've had good luck with Damn Small Linux and Puppy Linux on older hardware.
19:40<bit0>mcoleman, sure, is not very "userfriendly" but it works
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19:40<mcoleman>i did install pclinux on my vmserver, it looks pretty good
19:41<mcoleman>my biggest problem is fdisk, i know it is simple, but im too lazy to partition hd on my own
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19:42<BaD_CrC>use full drive and have /home as its own partition in case of needing to reinstall you'll still have your settings.
19:42<BaD_CrC>or at least tar up ~yourmainaccount
19:42<mcoleman>thanks guys for the help
19:42<zztop>happy new year every1
19:42<BaD_CrC>any time
19:42<Supaplex>np. that'll be $179
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19:42<Supaplex>;)
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19:42<mcoleman>i just wanted an opinion from some gys with more expirience than me
19:43<BaD_CrC>Supaplex: do you accept monopoly money?
19:43<mcoleman>i can build an enterprise network accross the world, but can't install linux to save the world
19:43<zztop>hello world - happy new year!
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19:43<mcoleman>Vista will turn anyone off windows!!!!! I am getting the linux bug, it just takes time
19:43<mcoleman>thanks again for the help
19:43<Supaplex>www.goodbye-windows.com cures vista.
19:43<zztop>hello?
19:44<Supaplex>dpkg: wave at zztop
19:44[~]dpkg waves at at zztop
19:44<zztop>:)
19:44<zztop>happy new year!
19:44<BaD_CrC>mcoleman: have you invested any time in gparted (http://gparted.sf.net/) or qtparted (http://qtparted.sf.net/) ?
19:44<Supaplex>the d-i has parted builtin to the installer.
19:44<BaD_CrC>it has parted in it, but it's a pain to use for new people
19:45<BaD_CrC>at least qtparted/gparted give the impression similar to Partition Magic.
19:45<zztop>can anyone help me connect to the internet using only cd 1 - i have a pppoe connection but i dont know how to connect without it - and i dont know how to configure networks
19:45<BaD_CrC>everyone wants a gui interface.
19:45<Supaplex>s/one/noob/
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19:46<zztop>please
19:46<Supaplex>!tell zztop -about search
19:46<BaD_CrC>Supaplex: sorry, i try to refrain from the general noob/rtfm/jfgi and stuff
19:46<Supaplex>zztop: search for pppoe, and man 5 interfaces
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19:47<Supaplex>BaD_CrC: *nod*. that's cool
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19:47<BaD_CrC>though i will tell people to their faces to jfgi
19:48<zztop>ok supaplex - should i do this in firefox?
19:48<Supaplex>!+info pppoeconfig etch
19:48<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
19:48<dpkg>Package 'pppoeconfig' does not exist.
19:48<Supaplex>ahh, pppoeconf
19:48<Supaplex>!+info pppoeconf etch
19:48<dpkg>pppoeconf: (configures PPPoE/ADSL connections), section net, is optional. Version: 1.13 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 344 kB
19:49<Supaplex>zztop: firefox is too far away from the issue. get networking working first. it's not an application (firefox) problem.
19:49<BaD_CrC>i might be new here in this channel and network (i hang mostly on freenode #debian/#ubuntu-offtopic) but i like to share and learn stuff as most any other person would.
19:49<zztop>im on knoppix now - when i am in debian and in the terminal i type sudo pppoeconf it says something like bad command or unknown command
19:50<Supaplex>you'll have to installit
19:50<Supaplex>!installit
19:50<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
19:50<zztop>so i guess pppoeconf is not installed
19:50<zztop>ok - but how can i install it if i cant connect to the internet - i only installed cd 1
19:50<Supaplex>yup. see how dpkg said it was 'optional'? Unless it's in base, you have to install that, or something that depends upon it. pppoe isn't something everyone needs, so it's not preinstalled.
19:50<Supaplex>!apt-zip
19:50<dpkg>i heard apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip
19:51<Supaplex>packages.debian.org/apt-zip
19:51<zztop>its just like an installer in windows right?
19:51<Supaplex>download the deb, drop it on a usb stick or fat32/ntfs partition, mount it, dpkg -i apt-zip_blah.deb
19:51<zztop>oooooohhhhh that sounds good
19:52<Supaplex>and if it's popular enough, it should be on cd1 already.
19:52<Supaplex>!popcon
19:52<dpkg>popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff
19:52<zztop>i will try that - thanks for the help supaplex!
19:52<Supaplex>np, good luck. :)
19:52<zztop>i hope you have a great new year ahead of you - ill be back if it works -
19:53<zztop>iif not - well - ill be back too!
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19:53<Supaplex>dpkg: popcon is also the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
19:53<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
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19:54<zztop>brb cya later
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20:17<bit0>happy new year!
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20:20<Supaplex>woah. where's the memo?
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20:26<BaD_CrC>i'm still in the unhappy old yeah
20:26<BaD_CrC>year even
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20:27<Supaplex>what goes pop pop pop and nom nom nom?
20:27<Supaplex>lolcats eatting popcorn.
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20:47<Orditeck>Hi everyone
20:47<Orditeck>I have a question
20:47<Orditeck>If I have Etch
20:48<Knorrie>happy 0x7D8 :)
20:48<Orditeck>I have Etch but the software I have needs Sarge
20:48<Orditeck>Will it work anyway ?
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20:56<ivan>ols
20:56<ivan>ay algun ESPAÑOLLL ¡!¡!¡!
20:56<ivan>?¿?¿?
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21:04<blarson>Orditeck: Depends. If all the dependancies are correct it should.
21:05<blarson>(It shouldn't install if the there are dependancies not met.)
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21:25<muuluu>hi
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21:27<muuluu>i installed lamp but when i run localhost on browser i cannot c th page but download? how can i fix this
21:29<muuluu>?
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21:33<muuluu>Hello anyone here?
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21:40<zztop>hello
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21:40<zztop>can anyone help me?
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21:42<zztop>please i need help to connect to the internet
21:45<zztop>is this a chat room?
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21:47<zztop>hello
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22:17<tome>hi
22:17<tome>ok i will help you
22:17<tome>wow, I am done
22:17<tome>: )
22:18<tome>you are clearly connected to the internet
22:18<tome>jk, what's yup
22:20<kmap>Hi, could someone confirm that amd64 is fit for use on Intel Core 2 duo machines?
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22:20<kmap>Debian amd64, that is
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22:27<trinity>hola buen dia a todos
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22:28<trinity>bueno vengo de trabajar con fedora core 8..y me a entrado las ganas de emplear debian por efectos de laboratorios
22:29<trinity>observo en la suite de descargas que aparecer 4 links de descargas de images de dvd..cada una enumerada por supuesto.
22:29<knewt>kmap: i think i'll just c/p what i said when that was last asked by someone :) # amd64/intel64/ia-32e/em64t/x86-64/x64 are all the same thing. the amd64 name comes about because amd was the first to extend x86 into 64bits, they came up with the instruction set. with intel, at the time, saying "now why on earth would you want to do that. it'll never take off" ;)
22:30<trinity>o ready..the plataform i386
22:30<trinity>from not boot to the DVD
22:31<blarson>knewt: ia64 is something very differnt, and is an intel 64-bit arch
22:31<knewt>kmap: and since the core 2 duo chips are 64 bit, yep, it's fit to use
22:31<knewt>blarson: ia64 is the itanium arch. i didn't say otherwise :_
22:31<knewt>s/:_/:)/
22:31<trinity>not...i dowloading the plataform 1386
22:32<blarson>intel64 is at best abiguous
22:32<trinity>else the procesador is 64bits
22:32<trinity>not is intel..is adm
22:32<trinity>amd
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22:33<kmap>knewt: Perfect! Thanks!
22:34<trinity>halp
22:34<trinity>helping
22:34<niru>hi
22:34<niru>wish you all a happy new year
22:34<knewt>blarson: maybe so, but intel themselves /have/ been using it to refer to their 64-bit x86 since late 2006
22:34<trinity>you speak spanish
22:35<blarson>!tell trinity about es
22:35<trinity>yeah
22:35<niru>I have espeak installed in my machine
22:35<niru>but whenever I click on the application and open a file to read
22:35<trinity>not you speak span
22:35<niru>it quits immediately
22:36<trinity>not
22:37<niru>trinity, whome are you asking
22:37<niru>I speak Indian english
22:38<trinity>ok
22:38<trinity>Wonder if you speak Spanish
22:39<trinity>I do not speak the truth very well English
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22:41<dondelelcaro>trinity: try #debian-es
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22:41<trinity>thanks
22:42<gurpreet>someone please tell me how to interpret the 3 load values
22:44<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: it's the load average over 1, 5 or 15 minutes.
22:44<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, yes, but what can i get the load info from these values. if 1st value on my system is 0.01 what does this mean?
22:44<trinity>what ??
22:44<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: which is roughly the average number of processes that would like to be running during that time period.
22:45<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: it means that over 1 minute, on average 0.01 process would like to be running.
22:45<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, means only 0.01 process has been run in last 1 minute?
22:45<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, its too less
22:46<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: *average*
22:46<dondelelcaro>reread what I said again
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22:46<trinity>I do not understand
22:47<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, even if its average still its too less.
22:47<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: no, it's a perfectly reasonable load.
22:48<dondelelcaro>I mean, my load right now is below 0.01
22:48<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, you mean higher the number the more is the load?
22:48<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: obviously
22:48<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: if you reread again what I said above, and think about it, things will start to make sense.
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22:49<dondelelcaro>if on avarage there are 5 processes that would like to run during a minute, the load is 5.
22:49<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, i've read that, i've read man uptime too, read wiki entry on load values too, i feel all confusing, espacially the example on the wikipedia
22:50<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: what in particular about it is confusing?
22:51<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, there are many processes running at a time on linux. may be 40 on my system, each gets its own time slice to run before context switch which is in millisecs. this means tens or hundreds of processes are running in each minute. how can this value be 0.01 or just 5
22:52<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: you seem not to understand what is meant by "on average"
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22:52<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: if a million processes all run for a millionth of a minute each, what is the average number of processes running?
22:53<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, what i got from on average is that you are taking average of processes running each minutes. say if one min number of processes is 20 next min its 30 then average is 25
22:53<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: but it's extremly rare for 20 processes to run for an entire minute.
22:54<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: they generally do something, then sleep or select until something else comes for them to do.
22:54<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: if you had 20 processes which all wanted to run, then the load would be 20.
22:54<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, atleast 20 processes are running each min, daemons etc including
22:55<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: they aren't doing anything; they're in select or sleep for most of that time; therefore the aren't actively running.
22:55<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, it one min all wake up at least once to check if they should run or not.
22:55<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: so? how long do they stay awake?
22:56<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: a few hundred instructions at most
22:56<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, yes
22:56<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, or may be less
22:56<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: how long does it take for a few hundred instructions to run?
22:56<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, a ms or so
22:56<dondelelcaro>way shorter
22:57<dondelelcaro>it shouldn't be much more than a thousand cycles, which for most cpus is around a millionth of a second
22:57<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, may be i am getting it. what load means is the number of process that _wanted_ to run in a given minute but didnt got a chance
22:57<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, am i right?
22:57<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: it's the average number of processes that would like to run in a given minute.
22:58<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: it includes those that are actually running.
22:58<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: when you can tell me what the load is of a million processes each running for one millionth of a second, you will have understood what load means.
22:58<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, yes average. the processes that want to run and that are running in a minute divided by the amount of time slice gives us the average
22:59<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, like the avg is 1 in your million process and millionth of a minute question
22:59<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: yes.
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22:59<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: you're not quite saying it right, because it's actually the total time that processes spend waiting to run or running over the measurement period
22:59<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, cool. i thought it must be one :p
23:00<dondelelcaro>(which is, again, the average)
23:00<dondelelcaro>the average (or mean) being sum(measurement)/n
23:00<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, in your million process question the time should be one millionth of a minute for the answer to be one
23:01<dondelelcaro>gurpreet: right, in my example it's a load of 1/60th
23:01<dondelelcaro>(the original example had a load of one, though)
23:02<gurpreet>yes, 1st was one in second its 1/60
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23:02<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, i got it, now i am all set to understand axample at wikipedia page
23:02<gurpreet>example*
23:07<gurpreet>dondelelcaro, thanks dude
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23:23<trinity>hello
23:23<trinity>happy new year..all the room chat
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