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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-05

---Logopened Sat Jan 05 00:00:00 2008
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00:00<Guest2164>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
00:00<Guest2164>process 22235: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
00:00<Guest2164>error: could not execute pmount
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00:02<kuman>RISKA
00:02<kuman>CHIKA
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00:10<chuy_max>is there a way for multiple groups to have (different) access to a file?
00:10<chuy_max>e.g.: all "admins" have RW, while all "staff" have R
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00:21<spq>chuy_max, acl's
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01:11<htraki>hi guys
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01:13<istoc>Hi, I have an existing debian installation I want to reinstall but I want to keep /home between installations, what's the best way to reinstall?
01:14<GhostlyDeath>put your home on a seperate partition
01:14<htraki>istoc: if its not then you have sucked that
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01:18<muh2000>hi
01:19<muh2000>i have a problem, auth on my terminal does not work anymore
01:19<muh2000> "kdm: pc5:0[4692]: pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=pc5:0 ruser= rhost=pc5 user=user" <-- auth.log
01:19<muh2000>it is not kdm, gdm will show the same error
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02:26<neiljp>anyone else have problems connecting to https sites with recent etch with epiphany?
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02:28<neiljp>I'm wondering if its related to my recent upgrade of libc6
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02:51<solemnwarning>Hi all
02:51<solemnwarning>I've got a sarge logserver running syslog-ng, for some reason the $HOST macro is randomly set to an IP address instead of the hostname
02:51<solemnwarning>Is there a bug in syslog-ng or somthing?
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03:01[~]neiljp wonders wtf is going on with his SSL/https websites :(
03:02<hachi>how can I get my debian laptop to automatically s2ram or s2disk when battery hits a certain point?
03:02<hachi>I'm not seeing this in the acpid stuff, but maybe that's the right way
03:04<cahoot>if you use gnome it offers those options
03:04<Christmas>how do one pronounce 'sam hocevar'?
03:05<Christmas>i ran over debian project leaders and am curious about it
03:05<hachi>not gnome
03:05<hachi>not kde
03:05<hachi>heck... don't even tell me things in X11 that help me to this
03:05<hachi>pretend it's linux... with a text console
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03:06<neiljp>some work and some don't (in epiphany), and icedove doesn't seem to like some accounts now :(
03:06<cahoot>lynx + google then
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03:15<bremner>hachi: there are many examples of acpi scripts in acpi-support, so maybe that helps
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03:19<bremner>hachi: do you know if your laptop is generating acpi events for battery depletion? acpi_listen might tell you
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03:21<hachi>acpi-listen, acpi-support... checking with both
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03:53<Steven_M>has anyone here used pam_listfile
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03:56<Mnementh>hello, i've got a problem with me installation of debian, can someone help me (if there is a frenche poeple, it would be better)
03:58<zep_>what kind of problem you have
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03:59<Mnementh>1 minute after boot, my screen are blocked and i can't do anything
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03:59<Mnementh>It's the same with any version of linux i tried to install
04:00<Mnementh>Have you got an idee ?
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04:01<cahoot>boot with acpi=off?
04:01<zep_>blocked screen you mean black screen
04:01<Mnementh>not black, just froze
04:01<Supaplex>!single
04:01<dpkg>hmm... single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care)
04:01<Mnementh>i tried to use gedit for example, but it froze
04:01<Supaplex>Mnementh: Is this xorg starting?
04:01<Mnementh>cahoot> i'm not sure
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04:02<Mnementh>Supalex> you mean the X terminal ? the graphics mode ? yes
04:03<Supaplex>exactly. does it work w/o that?
04:03<zep_>1 mn after boot? but you have your session started or not can you detail more
04:03<Mnementh>supalex> sorry, i'm french and i don't know what w/o means
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04:04<Supaplex>without
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04:04<Mnementh>zep> my session is started, but when i tried to do anything, it froze after about 1minute
04:04<Mnementh>supalew> no i haven't tried
04:05<Supaplex>okay, I don't think it's very xorg related.
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04:05<Mnementh>supalex> could it be a hardware problem ?
04:05<Supaplex>memtest86+ might be good to run
04:05<Supaplex>that's what I'm wondering
04:06<Mnementh>supalex> what this command line do ?
04:06<Supaplex>!memtest86
04:06<dpkg>methinks memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn>
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04:06<Supaplex>it stress tests all the memory
04:06<Mnementh>ok thanks
04:06<Supaplex>is this a laptop? pc?
04:06<Mnementh>pc
04:06<Supaplex>do all the cooling fans work ok?
04:07<Mnementh>all is ok, i'm working with windows on it at this time
04:07<Supaplex>you could check for dust buildup inside
04:07<Supaplex>ok, so it works ok in windows?
04:07<Mnementh>yes
04:08<Mnementh>hu .... ok like a windows system of course ....
04:08<zep_>checking logs maybe usefull
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04:08<Supaplex>what kind of video card is it?
04:08<Mnementh>zep> where could I found them ? and which log ?
04:09<Mnementh>Nvidia geforce 4 Ti 4200
04:10<Mnementh>and my mother board is an asus with Nforce 2
04:10<Mnementh>a little old, but it should work
04:10<Supaplex>old is okay.
04:11<Supaplex>!+info crash etch
04:11<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
04:11<dpkg>crash: (kernel debugging utility, allowing gdb like syntax), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.0-3.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1433 kB, Installed size: 3496 kB
04:11<zep_>/var/log/Xorg....
04:11<Mnementh>I know that for a windows installation, i should first install the nForce driver
04:11<zep_>but supaplex thinks it's not X issue
04:11<Supaplex>ok, nm crash.
04:11<Mnementh>zep> ok, log for the X terminal, i will check it
04:12<Supaplex>it's elusive for sure
04:12<Supaplex>oh wait... maybe it's a kernel panic when xorg is running
04:12<Mnementh>supalex> sorry what means nm crash ?
04:13<Supaplex>nm = nevermind. pay no attention to this: 09:10 < Supaplex> !+info crash etch
04:13<zep_>check dmesg too maybe you'll find things
04:13<Supaplex>sorry :)
04:13<Mnementh>but my sreen just froze, a kernel panic would warn no ?
04:13<Supaplex>it would if you're in text mode
04:13<Supaplex>Mnementh: do you have more than one computer available?
04:13<Mnementh>not in graphics ? I dit not know that
04:13<Mnementh>yes, but only one is on internet
04:14<zep_>I think that be usefull to start without X and check the reaction of your pc
04:14<Supaplex>Mnementh: start debian in single user mode, and temporarily disable X
04:14<Supaplex>!single
04:14<dpkg>single is probably <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care)
04:14<Supaplex>!nodm
04:14<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
04:14<Supaplex>!oops
04:14<dpkg>somebody said oops was "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops
04:14<Supaplex>!ksymoops
04:14<dpkg>[ksymoops] every time modutils loads a module it saves the current kernel symbol table in /var/log/ksymoops, to help debugging kernel oops's. ksymoops is the program that interprets an oops using this data.
04:15<@weasel>Supaplex: stop.
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04:15<@weasel>Supaplex: all these things can be done in a query.
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04:16<Mnementh>heu ... in order to start in single mode user, I should start with command-line : init 3 no ??
04:16<@weasel>no.
04:17<Mnementh>what should i do else ???
04:17<@weasel>read what dpkg said at xx:14:29.
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04:19<steven-m>can anyone help me with pam_listfile?
04:19<zep_>it should have an entry on of single user mode in your grub list at boot
04:20<Mnementh> /init/bash ??? but supaplex thinks it was a problem due to the X terminal, init3 should be enought no ?
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04:20<Mnementh>perhaps, i will check
04:20<Mnementh>but in single mode, what should i do ? check /var/log/xorg and after ?
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04:20<zep_>it is the default
04:21<Mnementh>ok
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04:21<zep_>I mean default grub list
04:21<Mnementh>yes, i see
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04:30<Requiem>anybody know where I might find an expert on desktop virtualization?
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04:31<steven-m>is there a linux security channel?
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04:45<steven-m>zep_: thanks :)
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04:47<zep_>steven-m ya welcm
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04:53<kfb>!ipw3945
04:53<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
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05:32<latenal>hello, i have some problems with sounds, some applications dont play it,
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05:33<latenal>how to make them work well?
05:34<cahoot>do the non-working apps output to alsa?
05:35<latenal>i don't know. how to get to know that?
05:35<sheldonh>if i could just let go of the desire to play quake3 with the guys at the office, my new laptop installs would always be a pleasure
05:36<latenal>k3b for example
05:36<cahoot>latenal: k3b ?
05:37<latenal>cahoot: k3b, xmms..
05:37<cahoot>the work?
05:37<cahoot>s/the/they/
05:39<latenal>k3b works but it directs sounds to /dev/null. xmms doesnt play at all
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05:39<cahoot>latenal: speaker-test works?
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05:40<cahoot>(you run that in a terminal)
05:40<sheldonh>i'm looking to backport nvidia-kernel-source (to avoid OOPS starting xorg), and notice there's no nvidia-kernel-source in testing? how's that work?
05:40<cahoot>!why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing?
05:40<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source
05:41<sheldonh>cahoot: hmmm, so a backport probably isn't going to work out so well :)
05:42<latenal>cahoot: Playback device is plughw:0,0
05:42<cahoot>oh - I'm a no playing happy user of intel ;)
05:42<cahoot>latenal: and you get some noise?
05:43<latenal>nothing
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05:43<sheldonh>cahoot: i suppose the smart thing to do would be to get up and running with the nv driver, then play around with nvidia later when i can't stand being left out of the gaming sessions :)
05:43<cahoot>latenal: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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05:44<latenal>cahoot: no such file or directory
05:44<cahoot>latenal: really - running debian?
05:45<latenal>cahoot: uhuh..
05:45<cahoot>latenal: you might want to install alsa-utils then
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05:47<sheldonh>cahoot: perhaps it's finally time to migrate to sid... after all, if you wanna play... ;)
05:47<cahoot>that's a rethoric question I guess
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05:48<sheldonh>cahoot: if it was a question at all :)
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05:50<sheldonh>having two processors in a laptop is going to be fun. no more pain during package builds :)
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05:53<sheldonh>yes, today feels like the right day
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05:53<sheldonh>while i have both laptops and a usb drive to play with
05:53<kfb>I didn't know Richard Stallman spoke Spanish he is multilingual
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05:56<latenal>cahoot: i cant install it. aptitude shows, that the package is virtual
05:56<sheldonh>lol! "If you'd like to avoid the brown-paper-bag bugs like these, then use testing instead."
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06:00<sheldonh>perhaps, on a laptop this new, kubuntu makes more sense :(
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06:03<sheldonh>no, stuff that. sid it is
06:03<MFC>anyone does compiled amarok 2?
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06:06<mitrofanzzz>Добрый день
06:07<mitrofanzzz>Кто скажет почему мд5сумма не сходится с той что на оф сайте?
06:07<mitrofanzzz>у мну такая 119abda7c941135d5bf382c386bca2ca
06:08<bremner>!tell mitrofanzz -about ru
06:08<ameyer>assuming that's russian, of course
06:08<bremner>well, it is cyrillic
06:08<mitrofanzzz>:) sorry
06:09<mitrofanzzz>tell me why i make md5sum on my debian4-blablabla-disk1.iso and i see this 119abda7c941135d5bf382c386bca2ca
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06:10<bremner>mitrofanzzz: what is the problem, wrong md5sum?
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06:12<mitrofanzzz>:) i dont now... ok 5 second please
06:12<mitrofanzzz>my iso ee9353e86b9ce31d0a6bd93c884b6dd2 debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso
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06:13<mitrofanzzz>debian.org iso ee9353e86b9ce31d0a6bd93c884b6dd2 debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso
06:13<mitrofanzzz>my iso work...
06:13<mitrofanzzz>omg im stupid !!!
06:13<bremner>mitrofanzzz: ok :-)
06:14<mitrofanzzz>my iso 119abda7c941135d5bf382c386bca2ca *debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso
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06:14<pachupata>hello, and happy new year! i have upgraded from lenny to sid, and since i have an annoying bug : 2 black strips appear in the down right corner of the screen. This bug is either on kde or xfce4... an idea?
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06:15<kfb>pachupata: don't run sid run testing that is my idea
06:15<kfb>pachupata: heh
06:15<mitrofanzzz>:(
06:16<pachupata>kfb : now it's too late ;) i don't want to reinstall debian ...
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06:17<bremner>patchupata: check BTS (bugs.debian.org) for xorg bugs
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06:18<mitrofanzzz>debian.org - ee9353e86b9ce31d0a6bd93c884b6dd2 debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso
06:18<mitrofanzzz>my iso -119abda7c941135d5bf382c386bca2ca *debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso
06:18<mitrofanzzz>my 100% work, i not see difference, please explain somebody
06:18<kfb>I'm running Debian Lenny and it says there is no 'locate' command --any ideas ?
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06:18<bremner>mitrofanzz: maybe MD5SUMS is out of date? date of cdimage.debian.org is before that of image
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06:19<bremner>mitrofanzzz: now I'm stupid.
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06:19<bremner>mitrofanzz: the dates are OK
06:19<mitrofanzzz>:) meybe date...
06:19<sheldonh>cahoot: if you let go of "i want everything on my system packaged", the latest nvidia drivers are pretty easy to install ;)
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06:20<bremner>mitrofanzzz: how hard is it to re-download?
06:20<mitrofanzzz>mission impossible :)
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06:21<mitrofanzzz>but my dvd is work!
06:21<sheldonh>nice bright screen too
06:22<bremner>microfanzzz: I can try, but it will take 3h to download. check back in 3 hours?
06:22<mitrofanzzz>i see md5sums on russian mirrors it = my md5
06:23<mitrofanzzz>microfanzzz??? 8) nice
06:23<mxey>I looked a bit but couldn't find something about this: On FreeBSD, the system sends you daily reports about various stuff, including security issues (if you have portaudit installed). I was wondering if there are similar tools for Debian to provide such reports?
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06:24<cahoot>mxey: like 'tiger' ?
06:24<fxiny>mxey: logcheck
06:24<mxey>Thanks, I will look for those.
06:24<mitrofanzzz>bremner, from what address you whant download iso?
06:25<mitrofanzzz>sorry my engl
06:25<bremner>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.iso
06:25<bremner>looks official, no?
06:25<mitrofanzzz>very
06:25<fxiny>mxey: check out sxid as well
06:26<mxey>thank you.
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06:29<kfb>hey the 'locate' command is a package in Debian lenny IMHO 'locate' should be in the base system under 'findutils' package rather than as a seperate package
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06:30<mxey>Does locate even belong to the GNU findutils?
06:30<kfb>mxey: I dunno
06:30<mxey>kfb: I doubt that, and if not, it does not belong into the package.
06:31<kfb>mxey: whatever locate belongs in the base system regardless in my opinion
06:31<mitrofanzzz>bremner, http://iso.linuxquestions.org/debian/debian-gnulinux-4.0r1-etch/ my md5 too
06:31<mxey>kfb: Then propose to change its priority.
06:32<bremner>mitrofanzzz: but that is 4.0r1, not 4.0r2
06:32<bremner>?
06:32<mitrofanzzz>ok you win i stupid :(
06:33<mitrofanzzz>Tnks bremner ...
06:33<bremner>ok, I can stop the download?
06:34<mitrofanzzz>yes
06:34<mxey>kfb: http://packages.debian.org/sid/locate has priority required.
06:34<mxey>I see, it _does_ belong to the findutils (src package)
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06:37<sheldonh>ugh, no sound either. definitely sid time
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06:38<bob_>any sata specialists over here?
06:42<bob_>or sysvinit?
06:42<petemc>ask specific questions
06:43<bob_>well it seems all linux distro have shutdown problems with sata drives
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06:43<bob_>older kernels always have them make a emergeny shutdown
06:43<petemc>use newer kernels
06:44<bob_>and newer > 2.6.22, make them stop->shutdown->spin up->emergency shutdown, so thats even worse
06:44<petemc>i cant say ive noticed
06:45<bob_>i started to notice it with debian (lenny)
06:45<bob_>o got the spin down error message at shutdown
06:46<bob_>o = I
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06:46<kfb>I have mozplugger installed and totem and mplayer but I can't get streaming video in iceweasel and iceape in Debian Lenny
06:47<bob_>i installed sysvinit from sid/uinstable now, pressing the off switch on the pc is now even stranger
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06:49<uruca>hello, I created an Iso of a ntfs disk (perhaps with a damaged fs) with gnu ddrescue, but now i cannot mount it to browse and save my files. Yet tried acetoneiso, gisomount, gmountiso. I'm on a Ubuntu 7.10 live cd.
06:49<monra>hello. I don't have sound in my etch. I installed alsa* runned alsaconf but nothing happened. I also runned alsamixer but there were only 2 colorful columns there with no unmute r mute option! What cant I do?
06:50<bob_>after reading some articles I got the idea that the whole linux group has sata problems and it can mess up tour drive (already after 100 shutdowns, so thats 1,5 - 3 months for me)
06:51<DaCapn>bob_ have you by chance been asking this elsewhere?
06:51<bob_>nope not yet
06:51<DaCapn>just wondering if you had asked on EFNet in #linux
06:52<bob_>you're aware of the situation?
06:52<kfb>bob_: I read about it on slashdot
06:52<DaCapn>I'd like to know more about that... I'm trying to get this system going with some SATA drives that's supposed to be my reliable RAID5 deal
06:52<DaCapn>first I've heard of it
06:53<bob_>couldnt believe it at first
06:54<bob_>rock stable linux messes up your drives with a bug (already reported in june)
06:54<kfb>monra: I think you need to upgrade Alsa by compiling it from source
06:54<kfb>monra: I had the same problem and that fixed it
06:54<kfb>monra: I switched to Debian Lenny and it has a new version of Alsa so now my sound just works
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06:54<bob_>have 2 people i want to install debian, but now I am not sure
06:55<kfb>monra: do you have an hda-intel type card ?
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06:55<monra>kfb: yes! in my laptop!
06:55<monra>kfb: was your sound problems in a laptop too?
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06:56<kfb>monra: yes my sound problems where in a laptop too
06:56<monra>kfb: so i must install the newer alsa version. was your laptop Toshiba maybe?
06:56<kfb>monra: are you sure you have an hda-intel sound card ?
06:57<kfb>monra: if so then you need to follows the instructions here to get it to work : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
06:57<kfb>monra: if you follow that you will get your sound to work
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06:58<monra>kfb: alsaconf shows me an hda-inter card! thanks.. will follow everything from the link you gave me
06:58<kfb>monra: it's not that hard and I promise it will get your sound working
07:00<bremner>bob_: are there bugs about your SATA issue in debian BTS?
07:00<monra>kfb: thanks! Will give a shot now. and tell you if all is alright after it
07:00<kfb>monra: ok
07:03<bob_>what does BTS mean?
07:04<bremner>bob_: bugs.debian.org
07:04<bob_>i got at least 2 sata hds that have a improper shutdown
07:04<bremner>bob_: using debian?
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07:06<bremner>bob_: gotta run, but my point is if something is broken, please file a bug report
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07:06<bob_>yup there is:
07:06<bob_>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436703
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07:06<bob_>installed sysvinit from sid (using lenny)
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07:07<kfb>bob_: wow that bug is pretty serious
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07:09<bob_>theres another bug page with sysvinit updates, someone here says:
07:09<bob_>I'm not aware of any workaround for this problem. The perfect solution
07:09<bob_>is to update sysvinit in stable.
07:10<bob_>this bug is around at least since june
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07:11<bob_>i am using linux since 1,5 years now :S
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07:12<kfb>bob_: I've been using linux since like around 1998 or 1997
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07:13<bob_>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426224
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07:13<bob_>lucky you there we're no sata drivers around then ;)
07:13<bob_>drives
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07:15<bob_>yesterday I installed latest sysvinit from sid, shutdown through log out -> shutdown seems good, but shutting down by pressing the off switch on the pc gives strange spin downs and ups
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07:16<sheldonh>kfb: thanks, was just popping back in to ask how the hell to get this card working :)
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07:17<sheldonh>kfb: can't one use alsa-source instead of compiling by hand?
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07:18<kfb>sheldonh: you have an hda-intel sound card and you are using Debian Etch ?
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07:19<kfb>sheldonh: the adice I gave monra was only for that scenario
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07:21<sheldonh>kfb: fair enough. i'm using etch, but figured i'd just slurp in alsa-source from testing
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07:24<sheldonh>kfb: i'm still busy with it, but i reckon it ought to work
07:24<kfb>sheldonh: it might work
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07:28<kfb>sheldonh: If I was to update alsa in Etch I would follow just that portion of the help file from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto abd ignore the other specific stuff
07:28<kfb>sheldonh: that would be your best bet
07:29<sheldonh>kfb: looks like it's not enough to just upgrade the kernel drivers -- still no sound. was hoping for a shortcut
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07:29<kfb>sheldonh: oh I see
07:30<kfb>sheldonh: that is why I said my advice was only for monra and not for you
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07:31<sheldonh>kfb: your advice would probably work for me, if i actually took it :)
07:31<kfb>sheldonh: it might actually work
07:31<kfb>sheldonh: haha
07:32<monra>kfb: did what you said. now in alsamixer i see much more but still no sund. I don't get how to unmute the things in alsamixer?
07:32<bob_>kfb: u got some insight or tips regarding the sata issue?
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07:32<sheldonh>monra: alsaconf should unmute thing for you
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07:33<kfb>bob_: no I use scsi so the sata issue is a non-issue for me
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07:33<monra>sheldonh: did but now with trying playing i get this: sox: Failed writing /dev/dsp: Unable to reset OSS driver. Possibly accessing an invalid file/device
07:33<cahoot>monra: just run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 to unmute and set reasonable levels
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07:34<blubberdiblub>monra: the sliders that have a MM at the bottom can be unmuted by pressing m when highlighted (in alsamixer)
07:34<monra>cahoot: it failed sayinf dailed( none loaded)
07:34<kfb>monra: right you should see much more controls in alsamixer now that you did what I said that means your sound should work now
07:35<monra>kfb: now with the things alsaxonf and so i did alsamixer isn't opening :S
07:35<cahoot>monra: try /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
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07:36<monra>cahoot: didn't work. it didn't load anything
07:36<monra>should i reboot?
07:36<cahoot>no
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07:37<cahoot>monra: does /proc/asound exist?
07:37<monra>cahoot: no
07:37<cahoot>monra: modprobe snd-hda-intel
07:37<monra>cahoot: yeah it's there now
07:37<cahoot>monra: just run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 to unmute and set reasonable levels
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07:39<kfb>there is no working vlc for Debian Lenny right ?
07:39<monra>cahoot: i just did what kfb told me.. alsamixer and mm all to unmute now i hear some things!!!! but very low. That will be fixed through alsamixer i guess?
07:40<cahoot>monra: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 to unmute and set reasonable levels
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07:41<wal>hi
07:41<wal>any nvidia/debian gurus ?
07:42<kfb>monra: right your sound works now you just need to adjust the volume
07:42<monra>kfb and cahoot many THANKS!!!! thank you! I'm so happy now ;)
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07:43<Kebianizao>hello
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07:43<Kebianizao>what's the best way to have schroot to bind (u)mount the system wide home dir inside the chroot?
07:46<sheldonh>and the fun begins...
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07:51<Kebianizao>I'll ask other way round... I want to run 32 bit apps on my amd64 machine, so is there a way to avoid a 32bit chroot? the /emul dir looks promising but I don't know its scope
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07:54<kiki7>hallo @ all..
07:54<kiki7>Ive a question concerning debian :S would somebody be so gently and help me?
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07:56<streuner>!ask
07:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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07:56<Kebianizao>well, now I see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq looks good
07:56<kiki7>well I want to get debian etch... but I don't want to download 3 dvds... is it possible to download debian wjocj has not 12 or 16 go
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07:57<kiki7>which has not ^
07:57<Kebianizao>kiki7: wjocj?
07:57<Kebianizao>ok
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07:57<Kebianizao>kiki7: yes
07:57<Kebianizao>http://www.debian.org/CD/
07:57<streuner>!d-i kiki7
07:57<dpkg>kiki7, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
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07:58<bremner>bob_: thanks for the bug pointer. It is marked closed in unstable. Do you still have problems with this version?
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07:59<kiki7>thank you Kebianizao but... there are 21 cds to download :( My internet connection is not as stable as i could download them... I just want to have a small debian which i can upgrade peu a peu
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08:00<bremner>!tell kiki7 -about netinstall
08:00<Kebianizao>kiki7: just download the netinst image
08:00<Kebianizao>!netinst
08:00<dpkg>i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>.
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08:02<kiki7>loool bremner thank you a lot now ive understood :) thank you and now can you please order dpkg how to get my usbstick bootable?
08:03<kiki7>thank you a lot Kebianizao :))
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08:16<Stephim>Hi All.. I'm using Etch with a nvidia card and i'm wondering if i could update to the testing because i believe that there is no package for the nvidia card on the testing release .. So could you advice me ? :-)
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08:33<bob_>bremner: I am not sure, i dont get the error message anymore with shutdown initiated from kde but still the same sounds and when i press the off button on the pc I still get strange spin up and spin down issues
08:36<icecube>s
08:36<bob_>bremner: I am still looking into docs on smartmontools to compare start/stop and power off count
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08:38<bremner>bob_: Do you know what the difference is between power button and kde initiated shutdown? The power button is doing a soft shutdown right?
08:38<kiki7>kiki7 est back dans les backs :)
08:39<bob_>bremner: yup
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08:39<kiki7>!tell bremner kde shutdown
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08:39<bob_>kde shutdown?
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08:39<kiki7>:S kde initiated shutdown :S
08:40<bob_>well i am not sure it is
08:40<bremner>bob_: that seems like a crucial question. What about if you (as root) type halt from the command line?
08:40<bob_>havent tried that
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08:43<Kebianizao>kiki7: please explain your problems correctly and in detail
08:43<bob_>gonna try it now and i just saved the smart data
08:43<bremner>bob_: must walk dog. I would try to verify the power button event is really being handled properly. /etc/acpi might have some clues
08:44<Kebianizao>Stephim: there are packages for nvidia on testing, but it's probable the name is different, look in the wiki
08:44<bob_>thanx
08:44<bob_>gonna check that
08:45<Stephim>ok thanks Kebianizao i will check it
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09:03<robert__>any idea what module is for nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)? i fail at google
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09:11<wuseldusel17>is the usual debian kernel 2.6.22-3-amd64 compiled with vesa2.0 framebuffer support? so i can use a 1600x1200 console (0x31C/D/E/F)?
09:12<wuseldusel17>i tried "video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr vga=0x31E" but with no success
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09:19<bob_>bremner: already back?
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09:20<kfb>Does Lenny have a working VLC ?
09:20<bob_>nope
09:20<kfb>damn
09:21<bob_>woo sorry
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09:21<bob_>since2day: maybe
09:21<bob_>i was waiting for vlc too ;)
09:21<bob_>its now in the repos
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09:22<bob_>and its working!
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09:23<kfb>bob_: I saw vlc with 'apt-cache search vlc ' but I thought it wasn't functioning so I didn't install it. Are you telling me it's now working ?
09:23<bob_>still no fullscreen on tv with twinview though
09:23<bob_>yup its working
09:23<kfb>cool
09:24<bob_>became time right ;)
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09:24<bob_>kfb: you have some experience with smartmontools? especially with the parameters: stop/start count and power cylce count
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09:26<kfb>bob_: nope I heard of them before though, still having that hard drive bug problem heh ?
09:27<bob_>well i dont know, i am trying to monitor what the hd's do
09:27<bob_>i want to at least know absolutely sure if i still have the bug
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09:29<Kebianizao>robert__: it should be intel-snd-hda
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09:30<kfb>robert__: are you having a problem with a hda-intel card on Debian Etch ?
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09:36<Kebianizao>bye
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09:39<ndowens>i get this when i try to install a kernel http://pastebin.ca/842597
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09:47<MarineW>Hello
09:48<MarineW>Could someone tell me whether 32bits kernel is able to work correctly with 4GB RAM ?
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09:48<mjk>MarineW: You'll lose about 0,5 GB RAM.
09:48<Gathond>MarineW: define correctly
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09:49<Gathond>MarineW: if you enable PAE it should work with up to 64 GB or RAM
09:49<Gathond>however no single process will be able to see and use that much
09:49<mjk>Ah, PAE, totally forgot that ..
09:49<Kaesebrot>Gathond: you will only see 3,5GB, but with a bigmewm Kernel you get up to...i dont know.
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09:49<Gathond>Kaesebrot: not with PAE
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09:50<Gathond>however PAE will take a performance hit because the kernel has to keep up remapping 4 GB chunks into view
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09:50<Gathond>not quite sure how much nor the details involved though
09:50<Kaesebrot>whats the diff between PAE and bigmem?
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09:51<Gathond>bigmem is up to 4 GB iirc, from the usual 1 without on 32 bit x86
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09:51<Gathond>PAE is intels physical address extension adding 4 ekstra bits to the CPU's address lines, giving hte option of using 64 GB of memory
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09:52<Gathond>only it involves only 4 GB actually being in view at a time and then changing this protion depending on the process which is currently active
09:52<Kaesebrot>ok. is there also a performance hit with bigmem?
09:52<reto>heya
09:52<reto>how can I tell aptitude to forcefull install a package?
09:52<reto>like apt-get's force-all
09:52<ndowens>http://pastebin.ca/842597 debian sid wont install a kernel
09:53<Gathond>Kaesebrot: very slight I think
09:53<Gathond>Kaesebrot: its probably more than offset by having additional memory for caching
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09:54<reto>apt-get doesn't know --force
09:54<reto>annyoing
09:55<Gathond>reto: --force-something ?
09:55<Gathond>or is that also only dpkg
09:55<Kaesebrot>reto: my way: download package with wget and then dpkg --force-all.
09:55<reto>alright
09:55<MarineW>Hou la ! Its very technical ! I don't understand what your are talking about (PAE, bigmem...)
09:55<reto>it was dpkg I think
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09:55<Kaesebrot>...has broken sometimes something in the past....
09:55<MarineW>Let explain more precisely what I would like :
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09:56<Gathond>MarineW: in short 32 bit means only 4 GB of memory per process (program), PAE allows more in machine in total
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09:56<Kaesebrot>MarineW: dont bother, i understand ehm.. the half of it ;-)
09:56<reto>dpkg worked
09:57<MarineW>I have a physical machine with 2GB at this time
09:57<MarineW>uname -r gives me : 2.6.18-5-vserver-amd64
09:57<reto>question: this part here takes longer and longer since the system grows bigger:
09:57<reto>(Reading database ... 81353 files and directories currently installed.)
09:57<reto>could it be that this database doesn't scalar linear?
09:57<MarineW>I have some virtual servers running on it (with Linux-Vserver)
09:57<Kaesebrot>MarineW: Why vserver?
09:57<Kaesebrot>late wuestion...
09:58<mjk>Does (bidirectional) clipboard-sharing work for anyone with Win XP as Guest OS for VirtualBox OSE 1.5.2 (testing version)? If so: How?
09:58<MarineW>and some of these virtual servers are Debian 32bits
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09:58<Gathond>MarineW: that is a 64 bit kernel though
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09:59<MarineW>I would like to upgrade to 4GB, because there is 1GB swap used today
09:59<Gathond>the 64 bit kernel can run 32 bit programs just fine though
09:59<Gathond>but each virtual machine in 32 bit more might be limited to 4 GB
09:59<MarineW>So 32bits are limited to 4GB or 3.5GB ?
10:01<MarineW>I fear that if host use the whole memory, and 32bits virtual servers can read only in 3.5GB, there is a problem...
10:01<MarineW>Is it possible, or should it work correctly ?
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10:01<Gathond>MarineW: in practice 3.5 as the PCI bus uses the rest
10:02<Gathond>MarineW: its not the same memory probably
10:02<Gathond>but the virtual machine will see 3.5 GB of the hosts memory I think
10:02<Gathond>but that would also be the case with 8 GB
10:02<Gathond>running 2 32 bit virtual machines would then see different 3.5 GB areas
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10:02<Gathond>or however much they have assigned
10:03<MarineW>The problem, is that the whole memory seems to be used by all servers (host and virtuals)
10:04<MarineW>when I do a "top" on host and on virtual servers, I get the same result
10:04<MarineW>(for memory, not for process list)
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10:06<simon__>hi - this is my first time on the debian irc server.... is there a kde channel on this irc Server too?
10:07<simon__>oh - i just found out that konversation can produce a channel list... (i guess this will answer my question...)
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10:07<simon__>anyone active anyways?
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10:09<MarineW>Gathond: Thanks for your help
10:09<MarineW>I think I will buy the memory, try and see !
10:09<MarineW>Thanks to others, also
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10:43<theris>yo
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10:51<iury__>Hey.. i've just installed etch-r2-kde
10:51<iury__>and i haven't got ppppoe
10:51<iury__>where i can download the .deb?
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10:55<streuner>iury__: /msg dpkg ig
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10:57<iury__>streuner i've already installed, since i've got the 620mb iso
10:57<iury__>but now after installed
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10:57<iury__>i can't use pppoe
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10:57<streuner>hm, use pdo then
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10:57<streuner>!pdo
10:57<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
10:57<iury__>thank you
10:58<iury__>:)
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10:59<streuner>packages.debian.org/pppoe
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11:00<iury__>and now
11:00<iury__>my last doubt
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11:01<iury__>how do i set window$ as my default boot choice?
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11:02<streuner>http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Invoking-grub_002dset_002ddefault.html
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11:02<streuner>seems to be helpful, dont ask me, i usually prefer lilo ;-)
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11:03<huelshoff>Somebody out there that knows howto build a debian repository with apt-ftparchive? I get a i386 Packages in the file for amd64 http://www.phys.uni-paderborn.de/~huelshoff/debian-admin/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/
11:04<streuner>http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/index.html#Top <-- read that, you'll need knowledge about your bootloader in order to have fun with Linux
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11:06<fdfs>ciao ragazzi
11:07<fdfs>mi potreste dire come si monta una partizione ntfs
11:07<streuner>!it
11:07<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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11:08<streuner>!listkeys ntfs
11:08<dpkg>Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 33): #debian captiventfs ;; #debian ntfs ;; #debian ntfsro ;; #debian ntfsrw ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian user accessible ntfs ;; _default ntfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default ntfs rw ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfs rw ;; ntfs-faq ;; read-ntfs ;; ro-ntfs ;; user accessible ntfs.
11:08<streuner>fdfs: NFTS5?
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11:09<fdfs>si
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11:09<fdfs>streuner, credo che sia quella!
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11:11<huelshoff>!de
11:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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11:12<fdfs>streuner, con ubuntu , usavo ntfs 3g
11:13<streuner>!ubuntu
11:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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11:17<Jflesch>huelshoff: it wasn't german
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11:27<huelshoff>jflesch: I used this info personally (didn't knew the german channel)
11:28<Jflesch>ah :)
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11:40<marshcast>I'm having massive issues with screen resolutions. my monitor doesn't seem to be detected properly & means that my graphuics card comes up as vesa, with no 1280x1024 settings... is there a way forward for me? - this happened in ubuntu on an upgrade, but none of them can help me... reason I'm posting here is because I plugged in a debian box as a substitute & had exactly the same prob. Windows box works fine :(
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11:46<valdyn>marshcast: #ubuntu
11:46<valdyn>marshcast: read the factoid about modelines
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11:47<valdyn>marshcast: and man xorg.conf on how to specify your display specs and maybe disable ddc
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11:48<valdyn>marshcast: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should list all currently available modelines and why a mode cant be used
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11:49<Kebianizao>Hello
11:50<Kebianizao>I have a problem trying to play a DVD with mplayer
11:50<valdyn>marsbiker: and/or you could give us or #ubuntu real info, like the logfile, the gfx card.
11:50<valdyn>ops
11:50<Kebianizao>http://paste.debian.net/46211 that's the output for mplayer dvd://1
11:50<Kebianizao>no actual video output
11:51<valdyn>Kebianizao: there's 23 titles, you can use lsdvd to find the longest which should be the main movie
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11:51<valdyn>Kebianizao: i dont think its no actual video output, i think its just very short
11:52<Kebianizao>I used kaffeine and worked but I need mplayer
11:52<Kebianizao>valdyn: well, 1st is the longer one
11:52<Kebianizao>the interesting one
11:52<valdyn>Kebianizao: how do you know?
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11:52<Kebianizao>Title: 01, Length: 01:46:06.000 Chapters: 32, Cells: 109, Audio streams: 04, Subpictures: 03
11:52<Kebianizao>valdyn: ^
11:52<valdyn>Kebianizao: is that the whole output of mplayer?
11:53<Kebianizao>no, that's lsdvd now
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11:53<valdyn>Kebianizao: im talking about the paste
11:53<Kebianizao>the whole mplayer output was the pasted link
11:53<Kebianizao>ah, ./
11:53<valdyn>Kebianizao: mplayer -vo x11 dvd://
11:53<fxiny>or dvd://2
11:54<valdyn>nah, we already figured that the first is the one he needs
11:54<Kebianizao>valdyn: checking, just a moment
11:54<fxiny>ok
11:55<Kebianizao>http://paste.debian.net/46212
11:55<Kebianizao>no luck guys
11:55<Kebianizao>:S
11:55<Kebianizao>mplayer -vo x11 dvd://1
11:55<valdyn>Kebianizao: why are you not giving us the complete output?
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11:55<Kebianizao>valdyn: that's the whole output, mplayer stops there
11:56<valdyn>Kebianizao: i have a prompt
11:56<Kebianizao>and no output
11:56<fxiny>mplayer dvd://1 -fs -zoom -af volume=10 -dvd-device /dev/hdc
11:56<Kebianizao>I have nothing
11:56<valdyn>valdyn@master:~$
11:56<valdyn>that's a shell prompt
11:56<Kebianizao>mplayer stalls there I need to do ctrl-C
11:56<valdyn>ok well, its outputing , its not outputing where you are looking, how exactly are you running this?
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11:56<Kebianizao>to get out
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11:57<fxiny> mplayer -fs zoom dvd://1 ... ?
11:57<Kebianizao>http://paste.debian.net/46213
11:57<fxiny>sometimes it works this way
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11:58<Kebianizao>the first line ^ is the ctrl-C result from previous command
11:58<valdyn>fxiny: i think he has output somewhere
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11:58<valdyn>fxiny: WHERE is that shell? is it a ssh session? what is it?
11:58<valdyn>Kebianizao: ^^^
11:59<Kebianizao>no, it's a yakuake shell, I could try on konsole, but It wouldn't make any differente
11:59<Kebianizao>all is done locally
11:59<Kebianizao>on a kde session
11:59<valdyn>Kebianizao: do you get sound?
11:59<fxiny>valdyn: yes , you right , there is someting , i'm checking it
11:59<cahoot>nothing in dmesg?
11:59<valdyn>Kebianizao: i would do mplayer -vo x11 -ao null dvd://
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12:00<valdyn>i bet artsd is accessing the same sound device concurrently
12:00<valdyn>( thanks to that "kde" hint )
12:00<Kebianizao>no sound as well, and well kaffeine works
12:01<Kebianizao>valdyn: with your last command, same
12:01<fxiny>Kebianizao: valdyn is right : where is the *full* prompt ?
12:02<valdyn>i hate having to ask again and again things i would already have seen if this was a real complete paste
12:02<Kebianizao>fxiny: I don't know what you refer to, to me there's no further output
12:02<Kebianizao>dmesg is complaining about I/O errors, but kaffeine does it
12:02<valdyn>Kebianizao: paste those errors
12:02<Kebianizao>valdyn: I'm serious there's no futher output in yakuake
12:03<valdyn>Kebianizao: ok, i dont know that shell
12:03<fxiny>this one >> kebianizao@batitadomar$ :))
12:03<Kebianizao>valdyn: is like konsole not more not less
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12:03<fxiny>the $
12:03<valdyn>guess it might not have a prompt being a quake-style terminal emulator
12:03<Kebianizao>http://paste.debian.net/46215
12:04<Kebianizao>that's full dmesg I could get
12:04<valdyn>Kebianizao: the drive is broken
12:04<valdyn>Kebianizao: or maybe you are accessing the wrong drive
12:04<valdyn>Kebianizao: i meant drive or media
12:04<Kebianizao>valdyn: and why kaffeine shows it correctly?
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12:05<valdyn>Kebianizao: i cant tell you which blocks on the disk those 2 programs will access in which order
12:05<valdyn>Kebianizao: so i cant tell you why kaffeine works
12:06<Kebianizao>which 2 programs valdyn?
12:06<valdyn>Kebianizao: you can create an image of that dvd with cat or dd
12:06<valdyn>Kebianizao: kaffeine and mplayer
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12:06<Kebianizao>I'm not running them concurrently
12:06<valdyn>Kebianizao: i know.
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12:07<Kebianizao>I'm quite sad I have to leave, I'll look into this a little later, my wife is pulling me from here
12:07<Kebianizao>sorry, and thanks for your great help ;/
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12:07<Kebianizao>valdyn: fxiny I may probably come back later with this and a little more calmed
12:07<Kebianizao>thanks again
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12:11<fxiny>some dvd are strange , i have a video:tx dir which refuses to go full screen unless i run : mplayer -fs zoom dvd://1 . mplayer dvd://1 -fs -zoom won't work
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12:12<fxiny>s/video:tx/video_ts
12:12<valdyn>fxiny: no -vf scale?
12:14<fxiny>valdyn: looking for it . i believe i deleted another one or two like that
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12:24<fxiny>valdyn: can't find it . anyway i'll check -vf scale next
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12:24<tilda140>I would love to know how I could switch to my Ion window manager
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12:25<tilda140>i guess I'm too much of a newbie to ever figure it out.
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12:26<fxiny>tilda140: "Ion window manager" ?
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12:27<Xochipilli>hi all
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12:28<tilda140>Yes.
12:28<tilda140>Instead of Gnome.
12:28<tilda140>Ion is a window manager.
12:28<tilda140>I wish to use Ion.
12:29<Xochipilli>anyone can help me? i've problem with compiling an Eggdrop. the sistem can find the TCL header and library.. what can i do?
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12:29<Xochipilli>can't*
12:29<florin>I love Windows
12:29<tilda140>I love root
12:30<nvz>!windows
12:30<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
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12:31<fxiny>eggdrop ? just received a m-list security team mail about
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12:32<nvz>dpkg windows =~ s.(R).(tm).
12:32<dpkg>This is #Debian, =~ s.(R).(tm)., not #bungholes!
12:32<nvz>o.O
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12:33<nvz>dpkg windows ~= s#(R)#(tm)#
12:33<dpkg>This is #Debian, ~= s#(R)#(tm)#, not #bungholes!
12:33<fxiny>heheheh : "execution of arbitrary code" ...
12:33<fxiny>dropping galore :P
12:33[~]nvz rolls his eyes
12:33<tilda140>fxiny...
12:33<tilda140>I'm such a noob :(
12:33<nvz>I messed up when I made that factoid and just now realized it
12:33<nvz>Windows is a trademark, Microsoft is restricted
12:33<lupine_>gnome is a DE, not a WM
12:34<tilda140>i seem to remember a screen you logged in with and you would be able to choose your window manager at the session
12:34<nvz>its Microsoft(r) Windows(tm)
12:34<tilda140>Oh okay, but Ion2 is also a DE right?
12:34<lupine_>you can run gnome with ion if you like
12:34<lupine_>no, it's a WM
12:34<tilda140>Okay, I see.
12:34<lupine_>metacity is gnome's wm
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12:34<lupine_>you just run ion --replace (or whatever the command is)
12:34<fxiny>tilda140: i an a fluxbox user , if i understand you want to switch from metacity to ion ? whar debian version are you running ?
12:34<lupine_>if you want no gnome, just ion, then you start an ion session from gdm
12:35<fxiny>i am*
12:35<tilda140>Deb 4
12:35<Xochipilli>anyone can help me for the eggdrop's TCL system?
12:35<nvz>dpkg windows =~ s#R#tm#
12:35<dpkg>nvz: OK
12:35<nvz>I guess I had to escape the parens
12:35<fxiny>tilda140: look at lupine_ answer
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12:37<tilda140>ion --replace
12:37<tilda140>hmm i guess i'm confused
12:37<nvz>idk I'll have to ask dondelelcaro later, cause what I just did did a replace on the 'r' in <reply>
12:38<nvz>tilda140: are you using a DM?
12:38<tilda140>I am running Gnome right now
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12:38<nvz>that doesn't answer my question in the least
12:39<nvz>you can't run GNOME without starting X
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12:39<nvz>how did you start X?
12:39<tilda140>It boots up to CLI
12:39<tilda140>i just so startx
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12:40<nvz>so put ion in ~/.Xsession or ~/.xinit
12:40<tilda140>makes sense to me.
12:40<tilda140>let me check it out
12:41<nvz>I hope you're not wanting to use ion with GNOME, cause that would be fugly
12:41<tilda140>Nah, I don't.
12:41<tilda140>I need a way to run it though.
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12:41<fxiny>isn't 'metacity --replace' for restarting it if something goes wrong ?
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12:42<lupine>mm, metacity replaces itself
12:42<nvz>tilda140: echo "ion" > ~/.xinitrc
12:42<nvz>tilda140: start X with the command xinit
12:42<lupine>or whatever other WM you're running
12:42<fxiny>if so : how can he run ion --replace if ion is not running ?
12:42<lupine>it replaces the previous WM
12:42<fxiny>yes ?
12:42<nvz>I've never heard of these --replace params, I just know how X works
12:43<nvz>it reads a session or rc file
12:43<tilda140>so, next time I run x, do xinit?
12:43<tilda140>I haven't found the configuration file, refresh my memory please
12:43<nvz>tilda140: thats the idea
12:43<nvz>tilda140: startx is a script, xinit is an actual command to start X
12:44<tilda140>I see
12:44<tilda140>/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
12:44<nvz>you don't need to find any config file
12:44<nvz>just type echo "ion" > ~/.xinitrc
12:44<tilda140>okay
12:44<tilda140>wholey?
12:44<nvz>it will create a config in your homedir
12:45<fxiny>i'm booting into gnome to see this handy command
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12:45<fxiny>dunno if ion works . i'll see in a minute
12:46<nvz>tilda140: you can type it partially if you only want it to partially work
12:46<tilda140>nvz, I don't see a config
12:46<nvz>there is no reason to see a config
12:46<fxiny>and if the way back works in case it gets borked
12:46<nvz>echo "ion" > ~/.xinitrc
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12:46<nvz>xinit
12:46<tilda140>Okay, let me try :)
12:46<nvz>viola you are running ion
12:46<lupine>viola? ;)
12:47<nvz>I know.. I hate french
12:47<tilda140>brb
12:47<tilda140>testing time
12:47<nvz>but I also hate saying things 3 times
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12:47<lupine>you probably mean voila
12:47<lupine>a viola is a musical instrument
12:47<nvz>it feels redundant
12:47<nvz>idk.. like I said I hate french
12:47<lupine>:p
12:47<gefyn>i have a problem with mpd: when other program which uses sound starts, mpd stops responding. or that program hangs
12:48<gefyn>it it known trouble?
12:48<fxiny>and a flower and a color=purple
12:49<fxiny>can't find ion on etch
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12:50<tilda140>Got it.
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12:51<tilda140>This is defintely a lot different than Gnome. heh
12:51<lupine>just a bit :D
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12:51<fxiny>tilda140: where's ion ? which package ?
12:51<tilda140>ion2
12:52<lupine>heh, there's ion3 in sid
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12:52<fxiny>old sarge ?
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12:52<lupine>eh, in non-free
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12:52<@Ganneff>thats because upstream is a brainless idiot...
12:52<nvz>ion is like the X window manager equiv of GNU screen for console
12:53<fxiny>ok , my gnome is so puuuuuure :))
12:53<@Ganneff>and there are much better WMs out there that dont have such an idiot behind them.
12:53<lupine>upstream are always brainless idiots
12:53<lupine>:)
12:53<lupine>all the smart people work in distros
12:53<@Ganneff>no. but this one is.
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12:53<lupine>ISTR some kerfuffle about it
12:54<nvz>Idk I <3 sawfish and there is nobody behind it
12:54<nvz>its not had an upstream release in like 5 years
12:54<fxiny>yeahh ? i'll leave it , btw is kahakai dead ?
12:54<nvz>thats not what banana republic said
12:55<fxiny>sawfish was nice , i had a good time with it
12:55<nvz>I wouldn't use anything else
12:55<nvz>I'd probably be using ion if there wasnt sawfish
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12:56<tilda140>Sawfish?
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12:56<tilda140>I'm intruiged.
12:56<fxiny>i stay with flux
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12:57<lupine>hah, lisp
12:57<StyXman>hi all. I've been reading http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html. I see the warning when shutrting down my machine. what should I do? this is debian sid with kernel 2.6.22 compiled by me
12:57[~]lupine hides
12:57<StyXman>brainf**k!
12:57<nvz>sawfish is a librep(lisp)()()()()() based wm that is a bit dated but its far superior to anything I've seen for control freaks who don't wan't to spend all day configuring and restarting
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12:57[~]nvz beats lupine senseless with a bag of parenthesis
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12:58<lupine>that's a pretty empty bag
12:58[~]lupine returns fire with a parentheses cannon
12:59<fxiny>a deadly weapon :all those sharp {} .... :P
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13:00[~]nvz sheilds it off with a lisp interpreter
13:00<lupine>(kill(everyone(here),now))
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13:00<tilda140>I just wanted to try Ion because one of our engineers uses it.
13:00<tilda140>He always has like 6 shells open at once.
13:01<nvz>I've not had the need to open more than on shell at a time ever since I learned to use screen
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13:01<tilda140>What if you're in several routers at once, taking care of an ISP?
13:01<nvz>unless I am running screen on multiple boxes via ssh
13:02<nvz>then maybe I would
13:02<nvz>cause nesting screens gets confusing
13:02<tilda140>I'll need 4 or 5 SSH connections to do what he does.
13:02<fxiny>i have three scren splits + 9 mrxvt tabs . my mrxvt can go up to 20 tabs : 5 more then any sid user :P
13:03<fxiny>mrxvt rulez
13:03[~]nvz shrugs
13:03<nvz>I just use aterm
13:03<nvz>like the psuedo transparency
13:03<tilda140>Asterm?
13:03[~]lupine huggles konsole and yakuake
13:03<tilda140>Aterm?
13:03<tilda140>Yeah, I don't have a videocard so i struggle with transparencies.
13:03<fxiny>materm=mrxvt
13:04<nvz>tabs are pointless too much point and clicky
13:04<fxiny>nahhh : alt+n
13:04<fxiny>no clicks
13:04<lupine>alt+left, alt+right also
13:04<nvz>I can use sawfish's bindings and matched windows to accomplish much the same things
13:04<fxiny>and C-pg up/dw
13:04<fxiny>yes left too
13:05<nvz>I have keystrokes to open terms and put them certain places and switch between them
13:05<tilda140>'Wow, nice.
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13:05<nvz>no need for a visual widget
13:05<fxiny>i have profiles for that : loads . gnome has 8 as maximum . can't remember kde but i have more
13:05<nvz>my terms have nothing but the term part.. no frames, no title bars, no tabs
13:06<fxiny>so mrxvt scores high
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13:06<nvz>yeah well I can have up to 256 or whatever the kernel limit is for ptys
13:06<StyXman>konsole is the less intrusive terminal I've ever seen
13:06<StyXman>except when you mistakenly hit Meta
13:07<nvz>not that I need that many, thats what screen is for
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13:07<lupine>I've had bunches of terms open at a time in yakuake
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13:08<fxiny>that's right : screen does it better , if i close by mistake this mrxvt (ot the rtorrent one) i can reattach : screen rocks
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13:10<fxiny>screen should be installed by default
13:10<StyXman>fxiny: heeh
13:10<lupine>not to mention irssi
13:10<fxiny>ohhhhhh
13:12<fxiny>nano and nanoids should go to the dust bin
13:12<lupine>nano ftok
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13:13<fxiny>and locales shouldn't be like now : a bunch od useless dirs , just what a user ask . nothing else
13:14<fxiny>there is a package to slimm locales down , never tried but is on my todo list
13:14<tilda140>you guys are way too advanced for me. heh
13:14<tilda140>I have a lot to learn.
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13:15<fxiny>i've done a bruteforce rm -fr the f* lot :P
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13:15<fxiny>hmmm ZURGS coming !
13:15<lupine>fail flood is fail
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13:15<fxiny>vi are unter zurg attack
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13:15<@weasel>would you kids just shut up?
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13:16<@weasel>unless you want to get caught in the crossfire that is
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13:16<lupine>eh?
13:16<fxiny>lupine: you hahahah :))
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13:17<JasonS>wheee :)
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13:19<cptiglo>are spambots trying to join the channel? or what do all those kicks mean?
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13:19<JasonS>cptiglo: bored children spamming the channel
13:19<fxiny>zurg clones
13:20<metalqga>ciao
13:20<fxiny>metalqga: ehh
13:20<cptiglo>okay...i see
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13:20<metalqga>do you know that we say ciao for bye? :D
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13:20<cptiglo>and what do you mean by zurg?
13:21<lupine>misspelling of zerg
13:21<cptiglo>and what do you mean by zerg? ( :
13:21<lupine>!zerg
13:21<dpkg>rumour has it, zerg is icky aliens from starcraft
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13:21<fxiny>same as etch sarge woody lenny sid : a toy story Evil Emperor Zurg
13:21<lupine>from the 'zerg rush' strategy
13:21<metalqga>!protos
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13:21<fxiny>zurg not zerg
13:21<lupine>eh, fair enough
13:21<metalqga>i've always played protoss
13:23<cptiglo>can you guys give me some interesting linux kernel irc channels?
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13:24<JasonS>cptiglo: #kernel or something along those lines i suspect
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13:24<cptiglo>just one final question ...
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13:25<cptiglo>are all those irc servers connected to each other?
13:25<stew>cptiglo: #kernelnewbies is a good channel for the linux kernel
13:25<cptiglo>i mean is #debian @ server1.foo the same like #debian @ server2.foo?
13:25<JasonS>cptiglo: all oftc servers are yes
13:25<cptiglo>thx stew
13:25<JasonS>just as all freenode ones are, efnet to efnet etc.
13:25<@weasel>JasonS: there only is one oftc server. it's called irc.oftc.net :)
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13:26<JasonS>weasel: smart alek
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13:27<cptiglo>so. may the force be with you ...
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13:28<stew>there is also the chat.oftc.net server
13:29<@weasel>stew: you're not supposed to tell anyone about that
13:29<stew>i mean, no there isn't
13:29<fxiny>we'll keep the secret tight :P
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13:30<metalqga>lol the scorched3d packages said all the dependencies were satisfied, but alas....
13:30<@weasel>I'm glad you think it's funny
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13:32<metalqga>lol got it running after 6 apt-gets ...
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13:41<patrick>Hi everyone
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13:46<EmleyMoor>I've just been locked out of my X session again for no known reason. I couldn't get the window to type the password to unlock - the only option was to restart gdm. How do I find out why this happens? It's not an "every time" thing, just often enough to be annoying
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13:50<patrick>Hi I'm new on Linux I'd like to have a few informations about this OS
13:50<fxiny>EmleyMoor: any screensaver running ?
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13:50<EmleyMoor>Yes - what I consider to be the "regular" one - and it's usually just fine - does what I want...
13:51<fxiny>i remember a gnome screensaver locking me out
13:51<fxiny>by the time etch was released
13:51<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... so it could be worth changing it to something different?
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13:52<fxiny>dunno : i run flux , screen freeziong ? no keyborad working ?
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13:53<EmleyMoor>Keyboard works - can get to terminals. If the screen is freezing, it's freezing only when blank
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13:54<fxiny>so is something else , or a new bug
13:55<EmleyMoor>Also, I've noticed it seems to treat me as idling when I'm running xfuse-sdl in full screen - very annoying
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13:56<fxiny>right , kde has some options not to trigger , say when burning with k3b
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14:33<Guest2217>not used to this but is any one out there?
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14:36<Guest2217>Whats discussed here?
14:36<valdyn>Guest2217: /topic
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14:37<Guest2217>I'm just going through the elpicx Linux learning live distro so please take the lead anyone who can help
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14:38<valdyn>Guest2217: enter /topic in your irc program and read
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14:41<Guest2217>valdyn, tried that but still don't read any 'chatting' just people leaving and joining
14:42<valdyn>Guest2217: this is a debian support channel, its sometimes quiet here, usually not.
14:42<valdyn>Guest2217: you may just want to /ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS
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14:43<valdyn>Guest2217: or /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
14:43<Guest2217>valdyn, ok thanks, makes sense, didn't want to leave without learning something
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14:50<esaym>what is the difference between sata I and sata II cables?
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14:52<valdyn>esaym: sata2 cables have better shielding i suppose
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14:54<esaym>II and be used for I though I think?
14:54<valdyn>esaym: II can be used for I
14:55<valdyn>esaym: not like the speed difference matters either
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14:55<valdyn>esaym: sata 2 cables are just better though physically
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14:56<esaym>ok cool, thank you
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14:58<obaoe>r irc.efnet.net
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15:09<joelfranco>j #debian-devel
15:09<joelfranco>#j
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15:20<neiljp>anyone have an idea what might cause: a) lack of visible channels in freenode in xchat b) inability to connect to certain IMAP/POP servers in thunderbird c) inability to connect to certain servers in epiphany/iceape (particular https, but some work!) ?
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15:22<sooperkuh>neiljp: are you on adsl? might be a mtu problem
15:22<sooperkuh>setting my mtu to 1492 worked wonders for me
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15:23<neiljp>the fact its cross-app makes me suspect a library
15:25<neiljp>I thought it was a https/ssl bug, but I can connect fine to at least one https server
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15:25<sooperkuh>neiljp: are you on adsl or sdls?
15:25<sooperkuh>sdsl
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15:46<guillaume>hello, I'm back from holyday and wanna upgrade my debian but get this bugs registered in lenny : mono-addins #454375 #454136, audacity #453283 synaptic #452377 apt #458396 #453793 #452862. Can I upgrade safely or not ?
15:47<dondelelcaro>guillaume: you should look at those bugs and make a decision for yourself
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15:49<Trollinator>can anyone confirm that kvm is broken on Sid?
15:50<dondelelcaro>Trollinator: if there's a bug filed against it, it is. If not, it's not confirmed.
15:50[~]Trollinator fires up reportbug-ng
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15:52<Trollinator>hum, it's broken :(
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15:54<dondelelcaro>Trollinator: you could also have checked it out just by visiting http://bugs.debian.org/kvm
15:55<Trollinator>great.
15:55<Trollinator>*yawn*
15:55<Trollinator>:)
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16:01<Garp>Hi.
16:03<Garp>Question: how can I seek for already removed files with slocate? Thanks.
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16:06<Garp>Hi again.
16:06<bremner>!tell Garp about patience
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16:07<fenix>oi?
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16:08<Garp>tell bremer about connection freeze, lag, and other stuff one may want to check until waiting 2 days before realizing something's wrong
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16:12<Garp>Question: slocate --database=/mnt/sdc9/recovering/slocate.db -l0 Bombardement # answer: slocate: fatal error: Could not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db': No such file or directory <- What did I not understood about the --database option ? Thanks.
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16:18<streuner>How about to just create the file with "touch <somefile>" first?
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16:19<Garp>streuner: I dont want /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db to be used, I want to use /mnt/sdc9/recovering/slocate.db
16:19<Garp>streuner: Do I misuderstand the --database option?
16:20<mohamed>hey guys I want help installing duall monitors. I'm using geforce 8600, how can I do that?
16:20<Garp>streuner: if that's the case, what is the right way to specify a given DB to slocate ?
16:20<mohamed>I'm unsing ubuntu 7.10
16:21<@weasel>mohamed: you are wrong here.
16:21<@weasel>!ubuntu
16:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
16:21<mohamed>Thanks for help
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16:27<Xtremxpert>I have some issue with mysql, I manualy remove it and when I try reinstall it, it's not creating anything under /etc/init.d, any clue???
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16:30<streuner>Garp: no idea then, i only used the default location of (s)locate
16:31<Garp>streuner: OK, thanks anywahy.
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16:33<sk_>hello
16:33<sk_>im having problems with virtualbox
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16:35<sk_>VirtualBox kernel module is not loaded.
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16:36<lupine>it's traditional to load the kernel module
16:37<sk_>how do i load it
16:37<lupine>modprobe <kernel module>
16:37<sk_>FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
16:39<lupine>you might want to install the kernel module
16:39<sk_>i did with synaptic
16:39<sk_>jeez
16:39<sk_>now my sound doesn't work
16:39<sk_>another reinstall for me
16:39<sk_>:(
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16:44<sk_>why wasnt the kernel module automatically installed since i installed it through add/remove programs
16:45<lupine>virtualbox-ose only Recommends: virtualbox-ose-modules
16:45<lupine>since it doesn't Depend: on it
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16:45<@weasel>sk_: also, if you are running ubuntu you are wrong here.
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16:56<BlueG>will copying a running debian install to other systems work, or does it do hardware-specific stuff during setup that won't be detected when copied to a machine with new hardware?
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16:59<lupine>BlueG: you might have to modify /etc/fstab, but that's about it
17:00<BlueG>lupine, ok, cool
17:00<lupine>don't forget to run grub-install on the new machine
17:00<BlueG>right
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17:00<lupine>oh, and reconfigure X if needed
17:00<BlueG>lupine: hmm, how hard is that? is there a way to auto-reconfigure? It seems like it was done automatically during the initial install...
17:01<lupine>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:01<BlueG>ok, thanks
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17:14<Garp>bye.
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17:22<cptiglo>could somebody recommend a good usenet provider?
17:23<streuner>most ISP's just has there own server, it should be the same case in .at
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17:23<lupine>no good for binary groups generally
17:24<ServerSide>ehrm, what should i use to burn gparted .iso to a cd r?
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17:24<cptiglo>as far as i know my isp doesn't provide any news-providers!
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17:25<streuner>if you want use gparted, why not just use grml?
17:25<ServerSide>that's not for here
17:25<cptiglo>and access to binary groups would be nice too.
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17:25<ServerSide>that's for my motha pc, i wanna delete a old ubuntu
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17:42<jmartin>hi
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17:43<bigdissaved_home>Would anyone be able to help mw with the mips port of debian?
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17:44<kop>!ask
17:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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17:44<kurumin>hi
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17:48<cptiglo>hey reiss!
17:48<cptiglo>moment ich lad dich ein!
17:48<elprizo>hey, ich hab dich schon eingeladen
17:48<cptiglo>oh
17:48<cptiglo>bei mir steht gar nix
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17:49<Stephim>Bitte in englisch !!!
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17:55<elprizo>doesnt work?
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18:11<kop>If I've a lvm pv on one drive, and make a duplicate lvm pv on a drive of the same size on another box and rsync the first drive to the second (after suitable mounting etc.) do I need to change the uuids on the 2nd drive to match those of the first if I want to be able to boot the 2nd machine as a stand-in for the first?
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18:11<knoppix_>hello
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18:12<kop>!tell Guest2233 -about ask
18:12<Guest2233>hello
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18:12<Guest2233>salut
18:13<Stephim>hello
18:13<Guest2233>R u here ?
18:13<Stephim>yes i am
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18:39<wusel>installing grub to the mbr of my sata disk works with grub-install /dev/sda ? or should i call grub and use setup (hd0) ?
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18:43<lupine>wusel: either works
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19:04<Knorrie>kop: no
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19:05<Knorrie>kop: i suspect 'suitable mounting' is that you rsync the files on the logical volume, that is located on a pv
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19:12<wusel>directly after booting the kernel i got errors: " resume: libcrypt version: 1.2.3\n resume: Could not stat the resume device file. Please type in the file name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system: usb 1-2.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" what should i do?
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19:18<flamsmark>hi
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19:20<flamsmark>do i need to patch my 2.6.22-14-386 kernel if i want to use dmraid on my nvidia mcp55 sata raid controller with a raid5 array (currently, -r lists the disks attacked to the controler, but -ay complains that there's no raid45 devicemapper type in the kernel)
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19:21<valdyn>flamsmark: "modprobe raid45"
19:22<valdyn>flamsmark: thats not a raid controller
19:22<flamsmark>i's a pseudo raid controller
19:22<valdyn>flamsmark: yep
19:22<flamsmark>and 'modprobe raid45' ?
19:22<valdyn>flamsmark: run that
19:22<flamsmark>what does it do?
19:22<valdyn>flamsmark: loads kernel raid4 and raid5 support
19:23<flamsmark>'fatal: module raid45 not found'
19:23<valdyn>flamsmark: try "modprobe raid5"
19:23<valdyn>flamsmark: that changed in 2.6.22 or 23, i dont remember
19:23<flamsmark>that seemed to go okay, with no output
19:24<valdyn>flamsmark: now use mdadm... and setup that raid you want
19:24<valdyn>flamsmark: mind, you cant boot of that raid
19:24<flamsmark>i don't intend to
19:24<valdyn>flamsmark: ( but you probably already knew trhat )
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19:25<flamsmark>so is that array going to be system-specific?
19:25<valdyn>flamsmark: no
19:25<valdyn>flamsmark: not if you use mdadm
19:25<flamsmark>so if if format my system disk and reinstall, it won't break?
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19:25<flamsmark>[where system disk = raid disks ]
19:25<valdyn>flamsmark: it really only gets system specific when you want a specific pseudo raid controller to be able to boot off it
19:25<flamsmark>[where system disk != raid disks ]
19:26<valdyn>flamsmark: but that really is irrelevant for raid5 since there's no pseudo raid controller doing raid5 afaik
19:26<flamsmark>i don't want to boot off it
19:26<valdyn>flamsmark: right.
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19:26<valdyn>flamsmark: the raid is just linux - specific
19:26<valdyn>flamsmark: you can migrate it between linux boxes if you need to
19:26<flamsmark>that's what i wanted to hear
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19:27<gam3-over>http://myExTheBitch.com/?id=d552fffa
19:27<lupine>fail
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19:28<flamsmark>so - in summary, mdadm is going to write some data on the disks saying that they's a 'raid array' and whatever other system can run mdadm can read that data and use the aray?
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19:29<gam3-over>is very important http://myExTheBitch.com/?id=d552fffa
19:29<valdyn>flamsmark: pretty much , except that running mdadm isnt enogh, it needs linux software raid in-kernel support
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19:29<valdyn>flamsmark: like that raid5 modules ( that is raid45 in later kernels =
19:29<flamsmark>right, got it
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19:30<flamsmark>i think i understand what's going on, and i apprecite your help explaining that for me
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19:33<brincadeira>hou you speak portuguese?
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19:45<DaCapn>where is that "compile the kernel the debian way" article?
19:45<DaCapn>not sure if it was found in a bot trigger or if I found it on the debian.org site or what
19:45<azeem>!kp mantra
19:45<dpkg>methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
19:45<azeem>not sure whether you mean that
19:46<DaCapn>well that's not what I was referring to,
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19:47<azeem>no idea then
19:48<azeem>use make-kpkg anyway
19:49<DaCapn>I'm having trouble getting an installation that installs with a newer kernel (for sata support) to decrypt my root partition during boot so I'm seeing about installing an old kernel, updating and seeing what happens
19:51<DaCapn>but it's strange because if I leave the root decrypted, I can decrypt and mount the other paritions (home swap and so on) just fine. I guess I don't understand the boot process quite well enough at this point
19:51<DaCapn>or... leave the root unencrypted, rather
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19:54<PetaWindows>DaCapn: I don't understand your problem..... :S
19:55<DaCapn>Do you mean that I need to clarify my problem?
19:55<lupine>missing .ko in the initramfs?
19:56<PetaWindows>DaCapn: no....
19:56<DaCapn>lupine can you clarify that a bit?
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19:57<PetaWindows>DaCapn: I don't understand this thing of decrypt.. what do you mean?
19:58<DaCapn>PetaWindows do you know what encryption means?
19:58<lupine>you need a kernel module to decrypt your partitions. it's possible that module isn't in ytour initramfs, so you can't decrypt /. Once your initramfs has called pivot_root, it can access the kernel modules on /, allowing it to mount all the other encrypted volumes
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19:59<DaCapn>well I'm using yaird and I configured it to load all of the right modules, let me extract the initrd and look a little closer
19:59<PetaWindows>DaCapn: more or less.......... but not related with your trouble
20:00<DaCapn>it's annoying because I have to boot with this kubuntu disc... I ended up writing a bash script that configures apt to load all the crap I need to be able to deal with this stuff
20:01<PetaWindows>:O
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20:09<monra>hello. I was looking some time now at /dev and doing cat files to see which corresponds to mouse and keyboard. I found an input file with some files inside it mice mouse and such but wasn't doing anything when cutting and moving my mouse. Any ideas where are these files?
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20:13<lupine>/dev/input
20:14<monra>lupine: as i said nothing there for mouse. 'm in laptop maybe that's why?
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20:15<jello>monra: /dev/input/mice
20:16<monra>jello: yes i tried this file. i did cat moved my mouse, clicked right and left clicke but didn't see anything at monitor
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20:17<somae7>could someone recommend a good tutorial on how to use tar to backup a hard drive
20:17<jello>monra: works for me, are you running a 2.4 kernel?
20:17<jello>somae7: use rdiff-backup
20:17<monra>jello: 2.6+ :)
20:17<titeuf_87>I'm trying to debootstrap etch, but in the process of doing so I get some errors: Couldn't download package e2fslibs/findutils/libc6 and some others, while most other packages work. At the end it fails to chroot with the following error: "Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/disk mount -t proc /proc"
20:18<titeuf_87>could anyone help me out trying to find the cause of this problem?
20:18<jello>titeuf_87: can you post the complete output and your complete command-line
20:18<somae7>jello: Ithanks - I'll give it a try
20:18<jello>monra: does the mouse actually work?
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20:19<monra>jello: of course it does. i'm in a window manager now and moves it from there to here!
20:19<silensius><somae7> see ping live cd
20:19<silensius>meabe help you
20:19<titeuf_87>jello, I used the following command debootstrap --arch i386 etch /mnt/disk http://ftp.debian.skynet.be/ftp/debian
20:19<titeuf_87>jello, as for the complete output, I'll upload it somewhere
20:20<jello>
20:20<azeem>titeuf_87: tried a different mirror?
20:21<titeuf_87>azeem, I did, using http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
20:21<monra>Isn't there a more close to kernel way to get the keyboard or mouse changes?
20:21<azeem>titeuf_87: ... and?
20:21<titeuf_87>azeem, it gives exactly the same problem
20:22<azeem>well, ftp.us.debian.org is round-robin, try ftp.de.debian.org e.g.
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20:23<silensius>does anyone explain me how can i put my home to a external drive
20:24<titeuf_87>jello, http://pastebin.com/d315b36cd contains the full output of it
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20:25<jello>looking
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20:26<azeem>titeuf_87: I assume it's a problem with the r2 update
20:26<jello>titeuf_87: does --verbose give anymore detail on what it's doing?
20:27<titeuf_87>I'll try it out jello
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20:27<titeuf_87>and I'm using http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en as a guide to do this, and downloaded debootstrap_0.3.3.2etch1_all.deb for this if this can help find the problem
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20:29<azeem>titeuf_87: did you try with ftp.de.debian.org as mirror?
20:29<titeuf_87>haven't tried that, I will try that now. And --verbose doesn't give any more output
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20:33<titeuf_87>azeem, it gives the same problems with that mirror
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20:34<DaCapn>lupine do you think it would be worthwhile to say... use lsmod to see what kernel modules I have installed on my machine running the older kernel where I've successfully got the encryption setup running and then diff that with the lsmod output on the newer kernel machine to see what is different between the two?
20:35<DaCapn>or is that a ridiculous amount of data to parse like that by reading and scrolling
20:35<lupine>sounds like a plan
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20:36<azeem>titeuf_87: well, it seems to work fine for me
20:37<titeuf_87>thanks for trying it out, that guide said to download the debootstrap deb and unpack it manually, did I get the right version of it?
20:38<azeem>dunno
20:38<azeem>titeuf_87: you can try to check /var/cache/apt/lists/*Packages* in the chroot and see what is says for version/URI for e2fslibs, e.g.
20:38<azeem>/var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages
20:39<azeem>eather
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20:42<titeuf_87>azeem, for e2fslibs I find version 1.39+1.40-WIP_2006.11.14+dfsg-2
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20:43<azeem>mine downloads e2fslibs_1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb
20:43<azeem>i.e. 2 vs 2etch1
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20:43<azeem>titeuf_87: so maybe a problem with your web proxy?
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20:44<titeuf_87>I don't have a proxy, the computer is behind a router that then goes to the internet, and normally I don't need to configure anything as it works with dhcp
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20:45<azeem>titeuf_87: did you try rm -rf /mnt/disk/* and restarting, using http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian as mirror?
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20:46<titeuf_87>azeem, I'll try that now
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20:51<titeuf_87>azeem, it worked now, thanks a lot :)
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21:35<guillaume>compiz fusion fail to run properly under lenny with nvidia driver Linux-x86_64 100.14.23 on my laptop
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21:36<DaCapn>I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, friend.
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21:37<silensius>?
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21:40<bernardo>does anybody knows if there is a linux driver for those fingerprint readers?
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21:41<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to add some physical volumes to a volume group but pvdisplay isn't showing all the drives that the bios detects. Do I have to prepare the PVs in some way before using them?
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21:45<Mike___>omg i desperately need help anyone! i am trying to reinstall getopt because it appears that i dont have it, but then when i do it asks to the dependance tzdata to be installed but then it says that it will remove a bunch of packages if i do! what should i do
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21:54<istoc>How can I get the manufacturor and model information about drives in /dev/hd*?
21:55<silensius>sorry ist it possible to upgrade from etch gnome 2.14 to gnome 2.20
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21:56<gsimmons>istoc: `hdparm -i /dev/hd*' should display the model and serial number of the device queried.
21:56<istoc>gsimmons: thanks much
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21:56<zedboy>silensius: etch is released, which means it doesn't change (except bugfixes)
21:56<Mike___>gsimmons: any idea about my problem?
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21:57<gsimmons>Mike___: What Debian suite are you using?
21:58<silensius>thanks i just wan't it is possible im just a end user :)
21:58<Mike___>like what uname -r spits out?
21:58<gsimmons>!tell Mike___ -about version
21:58<silensius>thanks Zedboy
21:58<silensius>ok now i understand
21:58<zedboy>silensius: There might be someone who's created backported packages and has a repository you can add to /etc/apt/sources.list.
21:58<Mike___>gsimmons: 2.6.18-5-ixp4xx
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21:59<Mike___>debian 4.0
21:59<zedboy>Mike___: cat /etc/debian_version
21:59<gsimmons>!tell Mike___ -about bat
21:59<silensius>yes i have added backports but i don't want break my linux box
22:00<zedboy>silensius: you might be better off just upgrading to testing
22:00<silensius>ok
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22:01<silensius>zedboy : my profil is : enduser for just have a stable computer not for serve anything like file or anything
22:01<silensius>testing is good for me ?
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22:02<Mike___>gsimmons: i tried to trun apt-get upgrade (http://pastebin.org/14202) i googled and the prooblem was that i dont have getopt so i tried to reinstall util-linux, and it asked for the dependancy txdata, so i tried apt-get install tzdata and it spit out: (http://pastebin.org/14203)
22:02<silensius>zedboy : my profil is : enduser for just have a stable computer not for serve anything like file or anything
22:02<zedboy>On both my etch and my lenny boxes, Gnome ignores my set background color preference (unless I re-open the prefs dialog)
22:02<silensius> testing is good for me or etch ?
22:03<zedboy>silensius: testing should be fine
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22:03<silensius>thanks
22:03<zedboy>silensius: it'll have more up-to-date software.
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22:03<silensius>zedboy i must do a dist upgrade now
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22:03<Mike___>gsimmons: apt-cache policy tzdata is (http://pastebin.org/14204)
22:03<zedboy>silensius: correct.
22:04<silensius>i'm not a expert but i can do some commande line in linux i will send you my sources list and say me how ok
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22:05<zedboy>silensius: just change "etch" or "stable" to "lenny"
22:06<zedboy>!dpkg tell silensius about etch->lenny
22:06<silensius>i have add backport my linux work fine now i don't want brick it sorry pls verify
22:06<zedboy>silensius: with testing/lenny you shouldn't need any backports.
22:06<silensius>ah ok
22:07<bgat>anyone notice that in sid icedove, it opens an iceweasel window for every graphic in an email?
22:07<bgat>darned annoying, to say the least
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22:09<silensius>zedboy : this my sources list http://pastebin.org/14205 can you verify and modify for a lenny please
22:10<silensius>i'm asking this because i added backports
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22:11<kfb>silensius: so just edit out the backports why can't you do it yourself ?
22:11<silensius>ok i understand
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22:11<gsimmons>Mike___: Please also provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file and the output you receive for `dpkg -l libc6'.
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22:15<silensius>zedboy i'm now dist-upgrade :)
22:18<kfb>Is totem in Lenny broken because I think I found a bug ?
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22:19<Mike___>gsimmons: dpkg -l libc6 (http://pastebin.org/14207) , apt sources (http://pastebin.org/14208
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22:21<bgat>Heh, found it. 459253. Nevermind. :)
22:22<gsimmons>Mike___: Your 'libc6' version is the problem. You've installed this package from either testing or unstable.
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22:22<Mike___>oh i see.. how do i revert back?
22:22<simonrvn>you don't
22:22<Mike___>... sooooo im screwed?
22:23<Mike___>lol...
22:23<simonrvn>(not easily... if at all)
22:25<Mike___>reinstall :(
22:26<Mike___>what if i try running apt-get install --reinstall libc6?
22:26<blarson>or just go with lenny all the way.
22:26<Mike___>lenny?
22:26<blarson>Mike__: lenny is the current testing.
22:27<Mike___>well basically , im runing this on a nslu2 unit, using a version of debian-arm made for ixp4xx processor
22:28<silensius>i have a virtulabox etch sources liste but the virtualbox doesn't have lenney sources adress what must i do
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22:29<Mike___>gsimmons: any suggestions?
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22:35<ptr>I've got a first-generation soundblaster live! , and I want to record from microphone input. I can hear sound from the mic on the speakers, and the mic volume control does adjust the volume of that feedback, and I have it set to the capture device.... but if I try to record, I get silence.
22:35<ptr>any idea what's going on?
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22:36<ptr>using a 2.6.22 kernel
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22:37<smart>any one here ever used knoppix std
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22:45<kfb>when I run totem it says this error message : (totem:7303): WARNING **: Error connecting to D-Bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session -- is this due to dbus's security policy or does anyone have an idea what's wrong ?
22:45<guillaume>need help with compiz-fusion and nvidia under lenny
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22:58<bernardo>neiljp: are from california?
22:58<bernardo>neiljp: you
23:00<bernardo>kmap : Are you from India?
23:00<kmap>bernardo: Hi! Yes.
23:00<kmap>bernardo: Why?
23:01<bernardo>kmap: I was just trying to guess... :)
23:01<kmap>bernardo: Well, it's a good guess. :-)
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23:01<bernardo>kmap: Practicing IP location... lol
23:01<kmap>bernardo: :-)
23:02<kmap>bernardo: How are you doing it? I'd like to know.
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23:02<bernardo>kmap: Madras... or near by?
23:02<kmap>bernardo: Bang on target.
23:02<kmap>bernardo: But how do you find it?
23:03<bernardo>kmap: hold on...I'll tell you
23:03<kmap>bernardo: Apprectiated. Thanks
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23:05<Flayer>ok.. suspend to ram on my laptop. something called 's2ram' works, but only if I use it with -f on the command line. the various gnome buttons that are all throughout my GUI don't work, and neither does the gnome-powersaver thing, which is supposed to make it suspend when the lid closes. it gives me a 'failed to suspend' message. any help?
23:06<Flayer>i'm on debian lenny
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