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00:20<panagos>hi, i have the following problem: i pass the option vga=0x31B (for 1280x1024) to the kernel at boot time, but it's not recognised by the kernel. my monitor supports the definition
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01:14<bleck>I'm trying to re-install grub, so i've booted using a knoppix cd, and I've done 'chroot /target' so its now in the correct root, I run "grub-install" but it won't find /dev/sda (because udev isn't linked to the /target/dev dir)
01:15<bleck>do I need to bother doing a chroot?
01:16<bleck>had anyone else been through this painful endeavour?
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01:26<twb>!grub
01:26<dpkg>somebody said grub was the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>.
01:26<twb>Bleh
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01:26<twb>I think you don't chroot but instead do grub-install --rootdir=/target or something
01:26<twb>I can never remember
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01:29[~]Supaplex ponders eatting some fresh grub
01:32<bleck>aah, after much fuss, it seems doing a "mount -o bind /dev /target/dev" fixes my little problem
01:32<bleck>its nice to have a working /dev
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01:38<acme>so, im running knoppix, and i wanna stop the x server, how do i do that
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01:39<Supaplex>!tell acme -about knoppix
01:39<acme>good enough :D
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01:57<s4br3>Hi, has anyone here managed to successfully install compiz and compiz-fusion on Sid (AMD64) with ATI's fglrx ?
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01:58<hugo>#debian
01:58<s4br3>hugo: ;)
01:59<hugo>in fact I used Irc sometime
01:59<hugo>:)
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01:59<s4br3>hugo: Do you use compiz?
02:01<hugo>no
02:01<s4br3>huelshoff: ok
02:01<s4br3>hugo: ok
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02:02<hugo><s4br3>: what do you mean?
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02:03<s4br3>I'm not sure if I "dare" to try another installation of "compiz". I have only failed before and can't find any report/description of any successful installation on Sid/AMD64
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02:08<chump_>heya guys
02:08<hugo>s4br3:I know little the Debian 4.0 now under Debian 4.0 using Xchat with you to talk ,and I don't the "compiz" of Ubunru Ubuntu
02:09<s4br3>hugo: Compiz is available for most Linux distributions, including Debian. It is not restricted to Ubuntu.
02:10<hugo>s4br3: ok
02:10<hugo>I will try it
02:10<Supaplex>dpkg: try
02:10<dpkg>Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
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02:10<s4br3>Supaplex: ;)
02:11<Supaplex>q8-)
02:11<chump_>does any body know which is better VMware or Virtual box?
02:11<s4br3>Sokrates, Sarte, Sinatra?
02:12<Supaplex>chump_: for free vs non-free? v.b. of course (the gpl release anyway)
02:13<s4br3>Socrates - To do is to be, Sartre - To be is to do, Sinatra - Do be do be do
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02:14<chump_>why does V.b. win?
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02:15<hugo>s4br3: press Alt + F2 to run ccsm to config "compiz"
02:15<Supaplex>chump_: vmware has released a lot of freeware, but little gpl
02:16<s4br3>hugo: You found a description? Do you have a link?
02:17<hugo>s4br3:yes
02:17<hugo>s4br3, http://www.itzhe.cn/html/system/Linux/20071231/39609.html
02:18<s4br3>Chi-Chi!
02:19<hugo>s4br3,: you can search it with google
02:19<s4br3>I know, but I only found people who have failed with Sid and AMD64
02:19<hugo>s4br3: you are welcome
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02:21<hugo>s4br3: now I used pc with AMD64 3000+ and multos over 4 (winxp, linux redhat debian koppix )
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02:21<yamil>русские есть.
02:22<yamil>?
02:22<s4br3>Oh, when I wrote AMD64 I meant the 64-bit version of Debian Sid (unstable)
02:22<jm_>!ru
02:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
02:23<yamil>ребята!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! кто меня понимает....?
02:23<yamil>иле я сам с собой разговариваю?
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02:24<jm_>please speak english here
02:24<hugo>s4br3:ok
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02:26<s4br3>cheers, bye
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02:39<yonox>Hello all
02:40<yonox>e pe aici vreun webmaster
02:40<yonox>?
02:41<Supaplex>!es
02:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:42<yonox>vreu sa mai vb si cu romanii ca de astia m-am saturat :)
02:42<sysop>hi
02:42<bremner>!romanian
02:42<yonox>ok ms
02:43<yonox>am un script ca rapidshare si am o problema
02:43<yonox>daca vrea cineva sa ma ajute
02:44<bremner>!ro
02:44<yonox>!ro
02:44<@weasel>yonox: english only.
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02:46<bremner>yonox: http://www.debian.ro
02:46<yonox>ok
02:47<bremner>or try #debian-fr (en francais)
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03:01<sandaili>hi - I was wondering if anyone uses Openbox....I have a quick question and no one in openbox is there
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03:05<Supaplex>nope, just flwm here.
03:06<sandaili>k, thanks :) I may just have to go back to fluxbox LOL. Openbox has poor documenation IMO or I just can't find things.
03:06<gsimmons>sandaili: You might want to take a look at <http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox>, if you haven't already.
03:06<sandaili>thanks, I will right now.
03:07<Supaplex>sandaili: wishlist bugs with suggested docs you know will help. check <bts>
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03:12<Supaplex>cool. I like openbox already. I may as well try it for a few days. :)
03:12<Supaplex>sandaili: was there something you were trying to do with openbox?
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03:13<morgan`>hello
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03:18<sandaili>sorry, I was looking for the documentation LOL. Yes, Supaplex
03:18<sandaili>I was looking for how to bring back the window decoration to a window I took it away from
03:19<sandaili>I thought I'd do something like right click and have the option to redecorate, but it doesn't work like that I see :)
03:21<jm_>how did you take it away then?
03:23<Supaplex>right click the title bar, hit decorate, and the titlebar goes poof.
03:23<Supaplex>hehe I'm wondering the same thing now. :P
03:23<sandaili>right. I want it to come back :)
03:24<sandaili>I am putting my xml file with the keybindings in my home directory, then I'll try the shortcut
03:24<jm_>maybe alt-space to get menu back?
03:24<Supaplex>ding!
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03:24<Supaplex>works here :)
03:24<sandaili>thank you!!!!
03:24[~]Supaplex does a little dance
03:24<jm_>same as in icewm then :))
03:25<sandaili>hehe. The small things are what drives me nuts, but I love it. That's the problem with google
03:25<sandaili>I guess everyone is pretty smart who uses the windows managers, they don't ask the stupid questions LOL
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03:27<Supaplex>sounds like a not so stupid ? to me. *shrug*
03:27<sandaili>yeah. That's what I figured, but try googling it LOL.....you'd think it would pop up somehwere
03:27<sheldonh>mmmmm, luks is the shit
03:27<sandaili>but I couldn't find it.
03:28<Supaplex>ewps, my synergy clients all died. gaw!
03:28<sandaili>that sucks!
03:29<Supaplex>yay, they reconnected. symergys died when I restarted X :)
03:29<sandaili>lol
03:29<Supaplex>hummm time to stash that in .xinitrc eh?
03:29<sandaili>hehe. You know how many times lately I have thought the computer was having issues -- my internet goes out almost every other hour now
03:29<sandaili>they are....upgrading...
03:30<Supaplex>smells like a comcast
03:30<sandaili>exactly. I'm going to look for a good DSL company
03:30<sandaili>you'd think silicon valley would have some sweet internet but no
03:30<Supaplex>lol, and I didn't even /wi you first. :P
03:30<sandaili>hehehe
03:30<sandaili>yeah.
03:31<sandaili>the reason I hesitate to get DSL is that I live in an apartment built in the 60's and the phone lines are also from the 60's and sunbaked
03:31<Supaplex>no fttp? :`(
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03:31<sandaili>if you touch some of them they break...so....I thought, I'll get cable. Well, they just jacked up the price so I am gonna have to just deal
03:32<sandaili>hahahaha no....probably not for many, many years (fttp)
03:32<Supaplex>redundancy is not in the comcast vocab
03:32<sandaili>let's put it this way, I am in Silicon Valley, and I can't get pay per view, or On Demand even
03:32<Supaplex></rant> Time for some Zzzz'. take care sandaili :)
03:32<sandaili>np! Goodnight Supaplex!
03:33[~]Supaplex has a big hawkin yawn, and feels TMJ :`X
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03:43<saintk>Hiya, I am trying to assign a proccess to a specific core using 'taskset', now i have a proccess which writes a pid file with its pid number in it. I want taskset to extract the number from that pid file, but i cannot find how to do that (not in the manual, nor on google), does any one know how to do this ?
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03:47<jm_>yes
03:47<jm_>sorry, no
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03:47<jm_>I doubt taskset can do it, but it's trivial with shell constructs
03:48<saintk>How does one normally use taskset on a proccess then which sometimes reboots?
03:48<saintk>as the pidnumber changes each time
03:48<jm_>grab its PID from pidfile, like you said
03:49<saintk>hmm, any idea what command i should be using then to do that automaticly when the proccess starts ?
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03:49<jm_>well either do it in its init script or add additional init script that handles it?
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03:50<sandaili>goodnight guys :) thanks again jm_
03:50<JustSoul>I am trying to connect debian(etch)-machine to MS active directory using winbind. "wbinfo -g" and "wbinfo -u" works correct, but "getent passwd" and "getent group" shows only local users/groups. On debian(sarge) there are no such problem. In what problem may be?
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03:52<saintk>hmm, then i don't understand how its done... taskset requires me to pass a pidnumber
03:53<jm_>well MYPID=$(cat /blabla/pidfile) or so
03:53<jm_>might need more parsing, depending on how it's stored
03:53<jm_>JustSoul: did you configure it in nsswitch.conf?
03:54<JustSoul>jm_ yes
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03:56<JustSoul>"passwd: compat winbind" and "group: compat winbind"
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03:57<jm_>hmm tried adding [NOTFOUND=continue] just in case?
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03:57<jm_>that should be the default I think
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04:00<JustSoul>no changes (
04:00<jm_>does strace show it's trying to do extra work at all?
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04:03<JustSoul>eehm...
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04:06<JustSoul>"strace getent passwd" show 10k of text in middle smth like: "open("/lib/libnss_winbind.so.2", O_rdonly) = 4"
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04:08<jm_>does it show any network activity?
04:09<JustSoul>How it will be shown?
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04:10<jm_>socket(), connect()
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04:12<JustSoul>yes, show
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04:13<jm_>to the same IP/port as wbinfo?
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04:16<JustSoul>no, wbinfo connext to AD. getent connect to "0"
04:17<jm_>0?
04:18<sheldonh>a 200GB USB disk really makes for a lot of experimental fun
04:18<JustSoul>jm_ emm, You are very busy?
04:19<jm_>JustSoul: more or less, yes - why?
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04:22<idefixx>hi when I update mysql from sarge to etch it asks about pw's being insecure and if i want >= sarge to be able to connect. what does that mean? Is it asking if it should put old_passwords = 1 in the conf?
04:22<idefixx>or is there somthing i missed that has been changed too?
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04:23<morgan`>idefixx, the mysql's function PASSWORD has been modified
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04:25<idefixx>yeah and as far as i con when you use the option old_password it will still use the old function... but this message sounded to so odd I wasn't sure what they were talking about
04:25<jm_>idefixx: which means that if you have remote systems connecting to this server, or local clients using old client libraries, connections will fail
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04:26<idefixx>... well, thx for the info.
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04:28<jm_>not sure if this is the same as old_passwords setting, you can find out by looking in what it's changing directly (in <package>.conf file IIRC)
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04:32<idefixx>good idea.. for now i just backed-up the dbs.
04:32<idefixx>its not like they are production dbs or something.. so I'll just have a look
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04:35<frood>Is there a bbc micro emulator prepackaged for debian?
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04:39<j_>hi!i know this is not exactly yhe place but i got some problems with my english lesson
04:39<j_>it's the only server i know where some english-french people are able to help me!
04:40<sheldonh>j_: not even slightly the place :)
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04:40<j_>:-)
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04:40<j_>it's about traduction devices
04:40<j_>étoffement, transposition...
04:40<j_>équivalence et traduction litttérale
04:41<j_>does anyone know?
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04:45<idefixx>must be old_password if anyone cares... even my dumb ts2 server works and it uses some mysql3 lib to connect
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04:56<JustSoul>I am trying to connect debian(etch)-machine to MS active directory using winbind. "wbinfo -g" and "wbinfo -u" works correct, but "getent passwd" and "getent group" shows only local users/groups. On debian(sarge) there are no such problem. nsswich configured properly. In what problem may be?
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05:03<j_>do we say : "I think that we have seen too many catastrophes, : the government didn't promote enough protection over the past years" or "I think we saw too many catastrophes : the government didn't promote enough..."
05:03<j_>come on, i'm sure so can help
05:03<j_>if anyone here got time...
05:04<sheldonh>j_: this is still not the appropriate channel
05:04<j_>an idea about the appropriate one?
05:04<j_>i'd like to find it!
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05:08<JustSoul>help me... smbd very clever, kind, patient, selfless...
05:09<JustSoul>I am trying to connect debian(etch)-machine to MS active directory using winbind. "wbinfo -g" and "wbinfo -u" works correct, but "getent passwd" and "getent group" shows only local users/groups. On debian(sarge) there are no such problem. nsswich configured properly. In what problem may be?
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05:13<Knight_Lord>I've been having a booting problem for a while without a satisfactory solution. How can I select a boot disk without using device names that can change from boot to boot?
05:14<jm_>use labels or UUID-s for mounting
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05:14<jm_>or are you refering to something other than mounting /?
05:15<Knight_Lord>jm_ can you give me any link about how to use UUIDs?
05:15<Knight_Lord>jm_ i'm talking about mounting root yes
05:15<jm_>Knight_Lord: ahh man fstab
05:16<jm_>Knight_Lord: I recommend labels instead of UUID-s, easier to read/remember etc.
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05:17<Maulkin>Knight_Lord: And please just ask in one of the channels.
05:17<Knight_Lord>jm_ thanks a lot
05:17<Knight_Lord>Maulkin ok, sorry
05:17<Knight_Lord>Maulkin by the way i don't have a booting problem
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05:18<Knight_Lord>Maulkin but on certain kernels there are racing conditions on the hard drive detection
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05:18<jm_>in the sense of order/device assigning?
05:18<Knight_Lord>yes
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05:19<Knight_Lord>my boot device something is sda
05:19<Knight_Lord>other time sdn
05:19<Knight_Lord>depending when the raid gets detected
05:19<Knight_Lord>So it's always fun if I try to reboot remotely
05:22<Maulkin>I've seen that happen before...
05:22<Maulkin>And yes, you're probably best off with uuids or labels then
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05:24<cloude>hello
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05:34<savrol>test
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05:47<Knight_Lord>How can I find sda1 under udev?
05:48<jm_>what do you mean?
05:48<Knight_Lord>I just realised there is no /dev/sda1
05:49<Knight_Lord>while running e2label
05:49<jm_>is it mentioned in /proc/partitions?
05:50<Knight_Lord>Ah it's funny that df reports / as /dev/sda1
05:50<Knight_Lord>and the same in /etc/fstab
05:50<Knight_Lord>but /proc/partitions reports it as /dev/sdn1
05:51<Knight_Lord>thanks for the tip
05:51<jm_>how about /proc/mounts?
05:51<Knight_Lord>shows sdn1
05:52<Knight_Lord>I don't know where df gets its information
05:52<jm_>/etc/mtab
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05:53<Knight_Lord>yes mtab shows sda1 indeed
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06:02<idefixx>anyone using unattended-upgrades? are there any major traps to watch out for?
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06:08<sasha>hi is dkms automatically installed on Debian , cause i can t fid it in the official repo
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06:09<jm_>you mean Dell stuff?
06:12<sasha>yes
06:12<jm_>it's not in Debian's repositories, you can find it on dell.com
06:13<sasha>ho ok thanks , is it planned to be in ?
06:14<sep>sasha, is it free (as in without limits, not as in cost) ?
06:14<jm_>I have no idea, you would probably have to talk to Dell
06:14<jm_>it's GPL
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06:15<sep>sasha, then you convince a DD to package it, or package it yourself
06:15<Maulkin>I tell you what, buy me a dell, and I'll package it.
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06:16<sasha>can i have simple user any influence on witch package should be in the repo or not ?
06:16<jm_>in theory yes
06:16<sep>sasha, everyone working on debian is "simple users" as you put it :) a lot of people scratching thir own itches :)
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06:17<themill>what's the package (only just joined but have piles of dells around...)
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06:17<jm_>dkms
06:18<sasha>jm_ ??
06:18<jm_>sasha: !!
06:19<sasha>soryy man did not see the questio cause of the stupid Xchat colors
06:19<sasha>does anybody here managed to install the latest ati driver on debian using dkms
06:19<themill>how is it any better than m-a?
06:20<sasha>in fact i dont ever know if it is possible to use m-a anymore
06:20<sasha>for the ati friver i mean
06:20<Knight_Lord>For some reason there's no disks-by-label directory on my /dev/ what could be the problem?
06:21<themill>sasha: it was last time I tried a few weeks ago.
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06:25<sasha>thermill : with the 7.12 (8.44)or 8.43
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06:29<themill>sasha: 8.37.6-1 0
06:29<themill>(that's an old package from lenny...)
06:31<sasha>unfortunqtely my gc is not recognised by that version , could you paste me the command for m-a to build fglxr
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06:33<emfox>hello, could anyone tell me that, if my upload to ftp-master.d.o broken, how should I delete the unfinished files?
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06:43<clone>hi
06:44<clone>Can I get a congrats, I bought a IBM dual smp p3 1.26 2g ecc ram 2x20 gig scsi 10k rmp hd server
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06:45<JustSoul>grats
06:47<JustSoul>clone - chipset is?
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06:49<wesley_>if he permission is as following user:www-data, how can I only change the user* part?
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06:50<wesley_>(it's not always www-data)
06:50<azeem>man chown
06:54<wesley_>Yeah, I knew how it should be working but it wasn't, mistake on my side tho.
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06:55<wesley_>I rsynced directories, but the user permission the file had is not a valid user on the machine I rsynced tho, now shows as a number
06:55<wesley_>is it possible to replace this number with the valid user?
06:56<themill>wesley_: look at man find and the -nouser option
06:56<wesley_>ok! will do
06:56<themill>wesley_: or the -uid option
06:57<themill>wesley_: something like "find /path/to/dir -uid 9999 -exec chown username {} \; " or alternatively use xargs.
06:58<themill>wesley_: and next time you do the rsync, don't run it as root but as the user who actually owns the files if you can. That gets around such problems.
06:58<wesley_>ahh, I did it as root indeed
06:58<wesley_>but there were 5 diffrent file owner
06:58<clone>JustSoul, P3 1.26
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07:01<themill>wesley_: rsync usually tries to map things across using usernames and group names if possible to help solve these problems, unless you used the --numeric-ids option
07:01<wesley_>ahh, thanks the-dude :)
07:01<themill>or unless the sync was local filesystem to local filesystem
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07:02<wesley_>I mean thanks themill, the find -uid does the trick
07:02<themill>excellent ;)
07:02<wesley_>pfhew
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07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
07:05<wesley_>find should work with -level right?
07:06<themill>wesley_: do you mean -maxdepth ?
07:07<wesley_>Hmm, im pretty sure I used -level in th past
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07:07<themill>wesley_: perhaps not with gnu find ...
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07:20<jMCg>There's -mindepth, -maxdepth and -depth -- all in GNU find.
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07:40<hpoop_>hi, when using a skript which use the csh we get an error message: "Missing }."
07:40<hpoop_>We tried to call csh directly /bin/csh but with the same error message, why?
07:40<jm_>hpoop_: look in some startup files I suppose
07:41<hpoop_>which startup files, from the user or the system?
07:42<jm_>run it as a user who has no csh startup files to find out where to look
07:43<hpoop_>ok
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07:46<clone>my computer was crashing a couple of days ago, the harddrive was clicking yesterday. and then system would go clunk and freeze, but now its not doing it. I think I have a hacker?
07:46<jm_>clone: more likely hardware problems
07:46<clone>jm_, haha, yeah you right
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07:47<gurpreet>hi
07:47<clone>jm_, I bought a server that requires kvm cables, but it should work with a USB keyboard, but it doesn't. Have you ever ran simillar hardware, is there a bios setting that manually disables usb?
07:47<clone>gurpreet, hey, you still black box
07:48<clone>gurpreet, fluxbox
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07:48<jm_>cloud: hmm maybe legacy USB mode option if there is one
07:48<macdeem>jm_, oh
07:49<macdeem>jm_, I changed my name
07:49<sheldonh>does kde's kwallet have an "unlock on login" option?
07:49<macdeem>I have this power management that came up on my tool bar on its own, whats that about, says I am running ac power, should it be dc or something?
07:50<gurpreet>macdeem, yes
07:50<gurpreet>macdeem, why you used _still_?
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07:51<macdeem>jm_, I bought an IBM dual smp p3 1.26 2gig, 2x20 SCSI 10K hdd, how much you think I should have paid?
07:52<gurpreet>what is the name of the media table of xmms2?
07:52<jm_>macdeem: beats me, I think they were selling dell dual p3 (700) with 256M and 3x (or 4x, forgot) 13G SCSI disks for about 20EUR here, or if you knew the right people you got it for free
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07:52<macdeem>gurpreet, well when I was running it I notice that if I ran mozilla it would put so much load that might as well run a full fledged desktop environment, unless you run lynx, I don't know though, fluxbox is awesome though
07:52<gurpreet>got it
07:52<macdeem>jm_, yeah true
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07:53<gurpreet>macdeem, if you use mozilla on a full fledged environment it will put much load on your system than when it is being run on slim and sexy fluxbox
07:54<macdeem>gurpreet, true
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07:54<macdeem>mozilla maxes out my memory
07:54<gurpreet>macdeem, the next best enrivonment for me is kde, and i don't think there are any shared libs b/w mozilla browser and KDE/QT
07:55<gurpreet>macdeem, you mean firefox?
07:55<macdeem>gurpreet, i don't know if any shared libraries for gnome either. I like kde, but it crashes more often in my experience
07:55<macdeem>gurpreet, yeah, firefox
07:56<macdeem>gurpreet, actually, I use iceweasel since etch, which is firefox, which is mozilla, what ever that means, haha
07:56<gurpreet>macdeem, firefox shouldn't put much load on your memory
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07:56<macdeem>gurpreet, it does for me
07:56<gurpreet>macdeem, iceweasal yeah, me too use same
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07:57<macdeem>gurpreet, ok right now it is at 80/19 % for programs/cache
07:57<gurpreet>macdeem, how much mem do u possess?
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07:58<macdeem>gurpreet, now when I shut it down it is at 53/19, oh I use 3x128
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07:58<gurpreet>macdeem, your mem is more than enough, i still don't understand why firefox is taking so much of your memory
07:59<gurpreet>macdeem, i mean more than enough if you use fluxbox :)
07:59<macdeem>gurpreet, do you use system monitor, check it out, its cool, by default it opens one box in your toolbar for cpu load, but you can click properties and open like 7 boxes, for cpu, mem, net, swap, load avg, and disk
07:59<macdeem>gurpreet, when I ran fluxbox on my old really slow computer everything worked great except for openoffice and firefox
08:00<gurpreet>macdeem, system monitor is in kde, htop do same for me
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08:00<gurpreet>macdeem, openoffice is really heavy suite.
08:00<macdeem>gurpreet, this one looks cool, it sits in the toolbar
08:00<macdeem>I am gonna try out htop
08:00<gurpreet>macdeem, but it needs kde running
08:01<gurpreet>macdeem, htop is cooler top
08:01<xDbr>hi, i´m installing the netinst, but when ask to choose the mirror print a message "Bad archive mirror"
08:01<sep>xDbr, tried a different one ?
08:01<macdeem>yeah, you can't run it. I like in woody, the really old debian, had this one shell that did output of system log, that was cool, now I don't even know where the log is
08:01<xDbr>yes
08:02<xDbr>i´m using http protocol
08:02<sep>huh you get it on all ? i just did a successfull netinstall from ftp.no.debian.org
08:02<sep>over http
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08:02<sep>are you sure your not behind some kind of sick proxy ?
08:02<macdeem>gurpreet, htop is cooler than top but not by much, but definitely I will use htop from now on
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08:03<kurumin>hgfyfv
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08:03<gurpreet>macdeem, its in /var/log/messages, htop is good cli replacement for system monitor
08:03<xDbr>not sure
08:03<twb>He might be entering the information manually, and doing it wrong.
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08:03<wesley_>one of my friends has a problem parsing xml feeds, i doesnt recognise chars such as "é" where do I fix that in the system?
08:03<wesley_>or where to look at
08:03<twb>wesley_: that's a control character.
08:03<gurpreet>macdeem, further if you want realtime display of system info at your desktop, use conky
08:04<macdeem>gurpreet, you are a cool man, thanks
08:04<gurpreet>macdeem, or gkrellm2
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08:04<gurpreet>macdeem, wow, you are first first who said this to me, thanks :)
08:04<wesley_>twb, does it have to do anyting with my locales?
08:04<gurpreet>first person*
08:05<twb>wesley_: probably
08:05<gurpreet>macdeem, htop is more cool than you are thinking, from its configuration you can change the graph types, add columns etc
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08:05<macdeem>really
08:06<gurpreet>macdeem, yes, try try
08:06<wesley_>twb, any tip on what to search for?
08:06<gurpreet>macdeem, run htop and see shortcuts below and use F2 to go to setup
08:06<morgan`>wesley_, you must encode characters with accents in your fedd rss
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08:07<macdeem>gurpreet, clonky doesn't run
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08:07<twb>Presumably you need to declare an encoding type in the XML document
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08:07<gurpreet>macdeem, what does it say?
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08:08<twb>Otherwise I believe it defaults to UTF-8, or possibly ISO-8859-1 for SGML documents.
08:08<macdeem>gurpreet, oh, wait let me see,
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08:08<twb>Even when using a numeric escape like %20, I'm pretty sure that's encoding-dependent.
08:08<macdeem>gurpreet, it does work
08:09<wesley_>Mm, on our old server we had no problems with the same documents twb
08:09<wesley_>so there must be a setting diffrent, somewhere
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08:09<macdeem>gurpreet, do you know the command to make it larger font, and position it to top right corner?
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08:10<gurpreet>macdeem, cool, download cool .conkyrcs from internet and configure them according to you
08:10<sep>xDbr, then i dont know
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08:11<gurpreet>macdeem, currently you are using default conkyrc, get a good .conkyrc from internet and use it
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08:12<macdeem>gurpreet, I bought this server, did you hear, dual p3 1.26, it has Advanced System Management, for clustering, that probably wont work for desktop eh? I am gonna do a google for .conkyrc, brb
08:12<silensius>how root can give to a other user the permission to mount or umount a drive ?
08:12<jm_>silensius: edit fstab
08:12<silensius>i'm on debian sid
08:12<silensius>ok
08:12<gurpreet>macdeem, http://conky.sf.net is given in conky man page
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08:13<themill>silensius: or /msg dpkg automount
08:13<macdeem>gurpreet, I am going with this rc http://conky.sourceforge.net/conky.png
08:13<silensius>thanks
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08:13<macdeem>gurpreet, where do I put?
08:13<gurpreet>macdeem, put it as .conkyrc in ~
08:14<sheldonh>jm_, silensius: i think the user also needs to own the mountpoint?
08:14<silensius>ah
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08:14<gurpreet>macdeem, you may need to configure the script a bit, like replace mpd variables with that for xmms2 if you use xmms2 instead of mpd
08:14<silensius>it's very compicate :)
08:14<jm_>sheldonh: I don't think so
08:15<sheldonh>jm_: suppose it depends on whether you use user or owner (just checked manpage)
08:15<macdeem>gurpreet, hmm, i don't use either, just mplayer, or vlc
08:15<gurpreet>macdeem, you will find conky more cooler than system monitor
08:15<gurpreet>macdeem, then delete that variable from conkyrc, or they will show up as such
08:15<jm_>sheldonh: ahh yes
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08:16<gurpreet>macdeem, coincidently i am using same script you chose, just a bit modified for me
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08:18<macdeem>gurpreet, its the nicest looking one
08:18<gurpreet>macdeem, yes, i found it good
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08:22<sheldonh>mmmm, taaaasty. automated fsvs backup to encrypted ext3 fs on usb hard drive
08:24<jm_>what kind of encryption - dm-crypt or something fs based?
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08:26<sheldonh>jm_: dm-crypt (LUKS)
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08:27<macdeem>gurpreet, were able to reduce the flicker?
08:27<wesley_>anyone experience with hardened-php? (suhosin)
08:28<gurpreet>macdeem, are you using fluxbox?
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08:29<macdeem>gurpreet, no, gnome, there is no flicker in fluxbox?
08:29<macdeem>gurpreet, I am trying to get it to be larger, and also, to find the option for the system logs to be displayed, and also the flicker lastly
08:30<gurpreet>macdeem, there are some flicker probs in gnome/kde, use can try setting double_buffer to 1 to eliminate them
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08:30<macdeem>gurpreet, the rc is a little confusing
08:30<gurpreet>macdeem, yes but only until you get hang of it
08:30<sheldonh>sheesh, i took the kde4rc2 licecd for a spin last night and was horrified. it's got a _looong_ way to go
08:31<macdeem>macdeem, oh, haha, I changed it from no to yes
08:31<gurpreet>macdeem, changed the double buffer setting?
08:32<macdeem>gurpreet, yeah, it didn't work with 1 either
08:32<gurpreet>macdeem, then you edit .conkyrc, use killall -SIGUSR1 conky as shortcut to make conky use new config file
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08:32<gurpreet>s/then/when
08:32<macdeem>gurpreet, it is using the new one, I changed alignment and it worked, from bottom left to top right
08:33<gurpreet>macdeem, you can get further help from #conky, as i never used it on heavier window managers
08:33<gurpreet>#conky in irc.freenode.net or so
08:34<gurpreet>macdeem, yes, i can understand, panel must be hiding your conky output
08:34<macdeem>gurpreet, hmm, I guess I gotta make the window bigger
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08:35<gurpreet>macdeem, if you use fluxbox, conky will be drawn on root window itself
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08:37<gurpreet>macdeem, found this, http://itbbs.pcshow.net/archiver/tid-350810499.html. please ignore the chinese
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08:40<wesley_>can anyone explain why characters such as é becoe é ?
08:41<macdeem>gurpreet, I'd rather increase the refresh rate than those two solutions, especially diabling nautiluys
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08:43<gurpreet>macdeem, you can give a try to gkrellm2 too
08:43<macdeem>gurpreet, I am just gonna increase the refresh rate, and let it flicker
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08:44<gurpreet>macdeem, i am not sure if it will help much
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08:44<gurpreet>macdeem, indeed i never saw conky flicker
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08:53<Zeus>hi...I have a question...I need to move this system to other platform from Celeron 1.7 to Athlon XP 2200+... how to make debian start correctly on Athlon`s PC
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08:56<avtobiff>probably nothing to it
08:56<koollman>just run it. should work
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08:56<avtobiff>moving it that way should Just Work(TM)
08:57<Zeus>...mmm rebiuld no need ?
08:57<avtobiff>no
08:57<avtobiff>no need
08:58<Zeus>thx
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09:00<avtobiff>Zeus, np
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09:21<IONGMANIN>Is there anybody here ?
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09:22<themill>no
09:22<IONGMANIN>....==!
09:22<drone77>316 of us
09:23<avtobiff>forever a >> a
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09:27<maraq>Hi, since my last update my ssl-sites don't work anymore, i get invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01. is that something that is fixable at the moment ? ( apache 2.2.3 )
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09:31<jMCg>maraq: that sounds like you're either accessing your SSL sites via non-SSL or vice-versa.
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09:33<maraq>jMCg : yeah.. something changed over the last update, and i can't figure out what
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09:34<themill>maraq: which version of apache2 are you using (2.2.3-4+etch3 ?)
09:34<jMCg>maraq: let's start out easy: What, exactly, does the error log say [and why/when/how] does it say that?
09:35<jMCg>[Maybe that what themill said is even easier to answer ;]
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09:35<themill>:)
09:37<maraq>it says : bad file descriptor apr_socket_accept: (client socket).. then the invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01
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09:38<maraq>my guess is, its the not listening with ssl on the ssl port.
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09:39<IONGMANIN>join debian-zh
09:39<IONGMANIN>join
09:39<jMCg>maraq: how about you find out?
09:39<jMCg>/join #debian-zh
09:40<IONGMANIN>thanks
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09:41<maraq>jMCg: what i just wrote, is what i get from /var/log/apache2/error.log.. been tailing it for hours.. thats the error i get
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09:42<jMCg>Usually, yeah.
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09:43<themill>maraq: try "telnet yourserver 443" and then type "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" and then a blank line and see what happens. If it gives you useful output, then it's listening on 443 but without ssl.
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09:43<maraq>themill: whoo.. thats smart.. why didn't i think of that :)
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09:44<maraq>yupyup... thats what its doing :)
09:44<maraq>it answers in readable text
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09:45<maraq>back to the config files then i guess :S
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09:52<allen>exit
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09:52<maraq>i don't get it >.< i'm doing it according to the docs, sslengine on, sslcertificatefile path/to.. namvevirtualhost *:443 and its not working... whereas it did before.. blergh
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09:54<maraq>thanks sofar! gtg
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10:02<yangsx>A strange problem happened to my Debian unstable with ipw3945 wireless card: a crash of KDE and reboot brought me a failure of ipw3945
10:02<yangsx>saying Kill Switch must be turned off
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10:02<yangsx>while it works perfectly just before that
10:03<yangsx>I neither install new packages nor uninstall any
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10:05<yangsx>any helpful hints?
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10:06<themill>!killswitch
10:06<dpkg>ipw3945d will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
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10:08<yangsx>themill: thanks
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10:09<yangsx>themill: I never know this tricks, and I guess it's turned off by my one-year-old baby
10:09<yangsx>thanks
10:10<azeem>yeah, blame the baby
10:10<azeem>;)
10:10<JasonS>yangsx: heh kids do like shiney things, gf's kids love the big shiney button with the green light on it on this computer arrgghh
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10:11<yangsx>JasonS: the baby always wants to strike my laptop while I'm using it
10:13<pierre>HI....If you'd rather connect with your own IRC client, head to #torrentleech at irc.torrentleech.org:7011 or :+7021(ssl).
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10:13<pierre>its not working?
10:13<JasonS>pardon pierre ?
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10:14<pierre>I need help to set up this adres on my irc
10:15<pierre>or if some one can try out that and see if its working
10:15<avtobiff>pierre, you want to /connect irc.torrentleech.org:7011
10:16<pierre>yes
10:16<avtobiff>pierre, and then /join #torrentleech
10:16<avtobiff>so do it!
10:16<pierre>:)
10:16<avtobiff>if /connect doesn't work try /server
10:16<avtobiff>type it anywhere in your irc client
10:16<avtobiff>or.. were you normally type stuff
10:16<pierre>ty
10:17<avtobiff>np
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10:19<OMP>hi folks
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10:20<OMP>i'm having troubles switching from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel under debian etch
10:20<OMP>whenever i restart my system with 2.6, i only get into a busybox, my SCSI harddrive is not found
10:21<OMP>any ideas?
10:21<OMP>it seams, the module "initio" is not auto-loaded / -probed
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10:30<gurpreet>back
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10:32<AlteKiet>how can I make fetchmail _not_ adding extra header info (and a new date/time) to fetched e-mails?
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10:46<evand>I'm having trouble with the binary nvidia drivers. Specifically, I ran module-assistant auto-install nvidia, which seems to have worked, and I installed nvidia-glx. But when I start X, it says it can't find the nvidia driver.
10:46<evand>Is there something obvious I'm missing?
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10:59<Kebianizao|work>Hellio
10:59<Kebianizao|work>or Hello
11:00<themill>!tell evand about nvidia one-liner
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11:04<Kebianizao|work>where or how do I get the messages that linux print with printk(KERN_DEBUG .... ?
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11:05<brif8>What is a good tutorial for setting your own custom bootsplash? I have usplash , usplash-theme-debian and usplash-theme-webconverger and NO functioning bootsplash ?
11:06<Kebianizao|work>brif8: tried splashy?
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11:11<brif8>should I uninstall usplash then ? and do you have a site on how to use splashy ?
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11:12<Kebianizao|work>brif8: #splashy on freenode, yet it has a web, google for it, should be easy to find
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11:24[~]tont hello to all
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11:24<themill>! wb streuner
11:24<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! streuner has returned!
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11:26<tont>i have debian etch/lenny..How do I activate the suspension?
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11:27<JasonS>tont: activate what suspension?
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11:27<suiside>suspend?
11:28<streuner>themill: thanks
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11:29<tont>JasonS: suspend to disk
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11:30<themill>tont: /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
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11:32<Kebianizao|work>tont: install hibernate and hibernate
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11:32<kaiszy>Hello!
11:32<Kebianizao|work>tont: but having it work could be tricky
11:33<kaiszy>Did anybody know how to install perl32 under a 64bit-debian (2.6.18-4-amd64) without using chroot ?
11:34<kaiszy>Because i have some .so-Files from the vendor only as 32bit-so :/
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11:34<themill>tont: or use the command s2disk. Getting it to work can be fun, but usually possible. Follow the procedure described in the link dpkg gave you.
11:35<cahoot> /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
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11:35<tont>thanks to all
11:37<Kebianizao|work>kaiszy: have you tried installing ia32-libs
11:37<kaiszy>Kebianizao: Yes i did.
11:38<kaiszy>The problem seems to be that the vendor use 32bit-Code and calls a perl-Script (i think they use libperl...)
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11:38<kaiszy>I don't have the source so i cant examine it :)
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11:40<Kebianizao|work>kaiszy: find out which 32 bit library they need, install them and point LD_LIBRARY_PATH to it
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11:40<kaiszy>Kebianizao: via valgrind or so ?
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11:41<Kebianizao|work>kaiszy: mayb ldd
11:42<kaiszy>Kebianizao: Good idea! I will try ;)
11:42<ranix_>hey guys, I had a wild morning and did a rm -r /var/lib/mysql
11:43<kaiszy>ranix: Ups.
11:43<ranix_>well I did it on purpose
11:43<ranix_>how do I get a default /var/lib/mysql again?
11:44<kaiszy>ranix: I thin initdb..but wait a moment :)
11:44<ranix_>thanks kaiszy
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11:47<kaiszy>ranix: Did you try a "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0"
11:48<kaiszy>ranix: I look into the .dep-preinstall
11:49<ranix_>not yet, thanks for the tip
11:50<ranix_>worked kaiszy
11:50<ranix_>I should have thought of that ;\
11:50<ranix_>thanks for the help
11:50<kaiszy>You are very welcome.
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12:06<bahman>Hi all
12:07<themill>dpkg: greet bahman
12:07<dpkg>Hello, bahman
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12:07<bahman>How could I go to #ubuntu chat room?!
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12:08<bahman>thanks
12:08<bahman>I'm a new user of ubunu!
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12:09<Maulkin> /server irc.freenode.net
12:09<Maulkin>then /join #ubuntu
12:09<bahman>thanks Maulkin
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12:19<sheldonh>i use network-manager, and have bind installed (as a local resolver on networks that don't provide me with a resolver). since upgrading to sid, i see resolvconf always overrides the dhcp-acquired resolver with 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf. there are some networks where i have to use the one provided by dhcp. how can i configure resolvconf to accept dhcp's resolver details for certain wireless networks?
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12:21<sheldonh>in fact, i could live with always using the dhcp-provided resolver, but can't figure out why resolvconf is always overriding it
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12:30<sheldonh>hmmm, daemon.log contains "DHCP returned name servers but system has dynamic modification" from NetworkManager
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12:42<randi>hey
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12:43[~]randi needs help with debian etc new kernel compile - mkinitrd/modules problem
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12:46<randi>nobody here?
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12:46<@weasel>you didn't ask a question.
12:47<randi>ooh, is there anyone here able to help with kernel compile, specifically ramdisk problem/mkinitrd syntaxes?
12:47<@weasel>that's not a real question either.
12:47<@weasel>!ask
12:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:47<@weasel>!anyone
12:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
12:48<randi>!ask I have a problem with ramdisk
12:49<randi>I have a problem with ramdisk kernel compilation
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12:50<twb>randi: are you trying to compile a kernel? Are you trying to build a new initial ramdisk (initrd) for an existing kernel?
12:51<randi>trying to build one initrd for a new kernel i compiled
12:51<@weasel>how did you build your kernel?
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12:51<randi>http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian
12:51<randi>according to this
12:52<randi>but i just dont understand the syntax and i get module.dep problem when trying to boot kernel
12:52<@weasel>make-kpkg has an --initrd option
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12:52<randi>really?
12:52<@weasel>you should have used that when building the binary image deb
12:52<@weasel>read the manpage?
12:53<randi> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1
12:53<randi>i tried this
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12:53<randi>but i get error
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12:53<randi>and i amp not quite sure what i am doing
12:53<randi>am i building based on kernel image? Should i insert image name there somewhere?
12:54<@weasel>I told you already. use --initrd with make-kpkg when you build your kernel.
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12:56<randi>ahh, thanks, i try. Debian Etch is excellent btw, but difficult to find out how to build a new kernel and do it correctly. Everything else is massivly smooth.
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13:00<sep>randi, ask dpkg about make-kpkg
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13:26<damien>hi
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13:29<zeal>hi
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13:41<mvfeinstein>Is there a way to log all the processes that start / stop?
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13:42<mac>Hi everyone!
13:43<mac>Happy New year y2k8!!!
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13:45<bcochofel>I' m trying to install etch r2 from the netinst iso but I can't seem to find any mirror. Can anybody help me on this?
13:46<JasonS>bcochofel: may not be on the mirrors, why not use r1 and upgrade?
13:46<bcochofel>JasonS: I was trying to find the iso for r1 but can't seen to find it
13:48<JasonS>bcochofel: interesting i get a r2 iso on the small cd dl link
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13:49<JasonS>bcochofel: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/
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13:50<bcochofel>JasonS: That's for r2
13:50<JasonS>yes
13:50<JasonS><bcochofel> I' m trying to install etch r2 from the netinst iso but I can't seem to find any mirrorr
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13:50<valdyn>bcochofel: its just etch
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13:51<valdyn>bcochofel: you dont need a special r2 netinst
13:51<panagos>when i pass the vga=795 option to the kernel at boot time, i get an "invalid screen mode"!
13:51<bcochofel>JasonS: ok, I was installing the r2. The mirror for the rest of the packages is what I can't find
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13:52<bcochofel>JasonS: keep getting errors and invalid archive
13:52<JasonS>bcochofel: ahh
13:52<bcochofel>JasonS: sorry, my bad
13:52<bcochofel>JasonS: what can I do=
13:54<bcochofel>where can I find a mirror so I can install the packages other then base?
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14:08<dejanpan>hi there, i mounted a win partition on my debian stable: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdc2 /mnt
14:08<dejanpan>then deleted some files on /mnt
14:08<dejanpan>and when tried to umount the device was always busy..
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14:09<dejanpan>now every oparation on mnt returns: Transport endpoint is not connected
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14:09<dejanpan>anyone some hint?
14:10<dejanpan>practically can not umount, can not re-mount...
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14:17<blarson>dejanpan: did you cd to /mnt ? if you are in it, that keeps it busy.
14:18<dejanpan>blarson, no, i am out
14:18<panagos>i'm using an ati sapphire hd 2400 pro. the motherboard also has an onboard nvidia video controller, but my monitor is connected to the ati graphics card. when i try to boot my machine with the option vga=795 passed to the kernel (for 1280x1024x24bit framebuffer) i get a screen which says i gave an invalid mode number! how can i fix that? it worked fine with the onboard video controller!
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14:19<dejanpan>can not even run fuser -u on /mnt
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14:24<panagos>is there a list of graphics cards which are known to not work with the linux framebuffer?
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14:26<twb>Which framebuffer?
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14:27<twb>IME everything works with vesafb, fwiw.
14:28<panagos>twb: i can't boot with a 1280x1024x24bit tty
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14:29<panagos>maybe it has to with the fact that i'm using amd64?
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14:36<hajler>deskopBSD is LiveCD?
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14:42<zepard>hi people
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14:46<zepard>is it possible to move from lenny/sid to sid
14:46<zepard>?
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14:47<stew>zepard: /msg dpkg iyhtays
14:47<zepard>Staz, ?
14:48<zepard>stew, ?
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14:48<JasonS>!tell zepard about iyhtays
14:48<JasonS>i do like that one
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14:50<IRCMonkey>Hi, What kernel (amd64, x86...) should I use with an intel core 2 duo? Thanks.
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14:52<drone77>amd64
14:52<lupine>x86 unless you've got a good reason not to
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14:54<blater>re il y a kelqu'un
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14:55<blater>hello
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14:56<stew>skx: do you know what the recommended way to get a xen kernel on amd64/sid is? i don't see xen kernels or patches in sid
14:56<stew>!fr
14:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
14:57<skx>stew: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64
14:57<skx>on my sid system in the past week or so .. (new computer amd64/sid)
14:57<zepard>i think it's #debianfr on freenode #debian-fr is not realy for help!
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14:57<zepard>on freenode I mean
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14:57<stew>skx: ahh, i wasn only searching for 2.6.2{1,2,3}. thanks
14:57<IRCMonkey>drone77: lupine : Fine... What would be the advantages and disadvantages.
14:58<skx>no worries stew
14:58<panagos>what is the proper way to have a 1280x1024 tty? (Alt-F[1-6])
14:58<lupine>amd64 gives you 64-bit addressing... and hassle getting stuff like flash working
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14:58<stew>panagos: /msg dpkg dbcon resolution
14:58<stew>panagos: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution
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14:59<IRCMonkey>Don't go one freenode!!
14:59<stew>IRCMonkey: are you talking about just the kernel? or the whole os?
14:59<IRCMonkey>stew: the whole os
14:59<lupine>well, not much point having a 64-bit kernel if you're having a 32-bit userspace
14:59<stew>lupine: sure there is
14:59<stew>IRCMonkey: what is the machien going to be used for?
15:00<panagos>stew: thanks, i'll try that :)
15:00<IRCMonkey>stew: server
15:00<lupine>not *much* point
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15:00<IRCMonkey>stew: won't use flash, maybe, not even X (but probably yes)
15:00<lupine>for a server, amd64 would be useful if you're using > 4GB RAM
15:01<IRCMonkey>lupine: only 1Go
15:01<IRCMonkey>lupine: what is the point with the size of the memory
15:01<lupine>then it doesn't really matter either way
15:01<lupine>32-bit processors can only address 4GB in a non-hacky way
15:01<lupine>"only"... :D
15:02<IRCMonkey>lupine: only _2_ Go
15:02<stew>IRCMonkey: if you are only going to have 1 GB of ram you might want to stay with 32 bit because in 64 bit, application will tend to use more memeory
15:03<IRCMonkey>lupine: we are in 2012, you know :)
15:03<stew>IRCMonkey: *some* (not many) applications would run faster under 64 bit
15:03<lupine>then why aren't we all using SPARC?
15:03<IRCMonkey>stew: more memory: got
15:04<stew>IRCMonkey: how much memory is the server going to have?
15:04<IRCMonkey>lupine: why you say we should use sparc (I would like to laugh two)
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15:05<lupine>because it's all in capitals
15:05<IRCMonkey>stew: 2Go!. (not 1, my mistake)
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15:07<IRCMonkey>lupine: stew: So, it seems I should use x86; will it carry fine with there is two processors.
15:07<lupine>yeah, it has SMP enabled by default
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15:07<hajler>deskopBDS is the liveCD?
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15:08<IRCMonkey>beside, my card's chipset is an intel p35..
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15:10<IRCMonkey>If no special informations for that motherboard, it should do fine with the netinst CD for x86
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15:16<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if anyone knew a good program for web development in debian?
15:16<miksuh>bluefish ?
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15:17<miksuh>or
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15:17<miksuh>quanta
15:17<IRCMonkey>Where can I find the netinst CD for lenny?
15:17<chump_>i didn't like bluefish it seemed ugly
15:17<chump_>www.debian.org
15:17<miksuh>which is kde application, but it does not really matter because gnome can run gnome apps and wise versa
15:18<chump_>yeah i'm all about Gnome
15:18<miksuh>gnom desktop and kdestop I mean
15:18<miksuh>kde
15:18<miksuh>desktop
15:18<miksuh>chump_: bluefish is quite nice
15:19<miksuh>i like it
15:19<chump_>miksuh: really i'll give it another shot.
15:19<drone77>would recommend it too
15:19<lupine>nvu ?
15:20<lupine>kate ftw, though
15:20<miksuh>yeah nvu is ok too, but it's discontinued and not in debian repo
15:20<lupine>Quanta?
15:21<chump_>what about seamonkey?
15:21<chump_>quanta is huge
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15:24<lupine> If I have 2 image files, and I want to print them side-by-side on an A4 sheet of paper in landscape... how do I?
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15:26<sirch>q
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15:28<miksuh>lupine: you could use any other grapghicstool too, but try eg. photoprint
15:28<miksuh>#apt-get install photoprint
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15:29<lupine>mm, i'm trying to avoid an overly graphical method, as I might be doing this a lot
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15:31<sheldonh>lupine: you probably want to montage them with imagemagick
15:32[~]lupine has a peek
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15:35<knoppix_>hola
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15:35<Guest2513>OK.
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15:36<Guest2513>que es esto !
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15:54<adriano>kdk
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16:02<guillaume>compiz-fusion return errors under lenny : http://pastebin.com/d69ae9faf
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16:05<guillaume>emerald refus to run but emerlad --replace work
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16:15<panagos>i try to start X, but i get a black screen (in /dev/tty7) and my monitor reports an out-of-bounds signal!
16:16<panagos>i'm using ati sapphire hd 2400 pro with amd64
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16:16<lupine>panagos: need to fix your HSync/VSync numbers
16:17<panagos>lupine: but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't display the menus for that! (as it used to with my previous card)
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16:18<lupine>they're in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:18<sheldonh>why does this give me "Not enough arguments"? dcop klauncher klauncher kdeinit_exec kwrite
16:18<mvfeinstein>I am getting this error in my apache log does anyone know how I can figure out what is causing it [notice] child pid 16933 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
16:19<panagos>but why is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg missing menus?
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16:22<lupine>maybe it was streamlined
16:22<lupine>add -phigh (or something similar) to the command ?
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16:25<panagos>lupine: how do i set HSync/VSync numbers in xorg.conf?
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16:25<lupine>In Section "Monitor" there are two values - HorizSync and VertRefresh. Change them to more appropriate values.
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16:27<panagos>lupine: my xorg.conf has no such entries! do i need to also add "Hz" at the end?
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16:28<panagos>lupine: i tried with -phigh, but it's still missing menus!
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16:41<panagos>when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i only get questions about my keyboard and mouse! plus a question at the beginning about whether i want to use the framebuffer. i'm missing all the rest of the menus! how can i fix that?
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16:58<sybariten>hey, i must ask ... would you say its a bad idea to try to do a "real install" of debian, onto a USB memory stick?
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16:59<sybariten>i'm no linux noob but i'm no bearded network admin either... i was gonna go for some sort of live-distro-install-on-a-USB-memory but suddenly i realized that this doesnt equal a real install... since the system is unchanged after each reboot
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17:00<panagos>why do i not get to choose my graphics card when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? and it's generally skipping questions...
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17:01<stew>panagos: what version of xserver-xorg do you have installed?
17:02<stew>panagos: do you mean "choose my graphics card" or "choose my driver" ?
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17:03<panagos>version 1:7.3+10
17:04<panagos>stew: i mean, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg skips almost all questions
17:04<drone77>sybariten, if you do then change the write to harddrive time so you dont kill the flash drive so quickly
17:04<panagos>i only get to see questions about my keyboard and mouse
17:05<panagos>and the question in the beginning about the framebuffer
17:05<stew>panagos: yeah, that version selects a driver at startup instead
17:05<sybariten>drone77: been reading up a bit on this lately, or actually this day, and it seems one can do calculations that says that in the worst case, your average USB stick will last 2.5 years or something, anyhow
17:06<sybariten>and thats the worst case, so i dont worry too much about that... but thanks for the tip!
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17:06<panagos>stew: but the thing is, when X starts, i get a blank screen and the monitor reports an out of bounds signal!
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17:06<drone77>sybariten, well if you set it to a longer time between writes then it can last you 7.5yrs =P
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17:08<stew>panagos: http://changelogs.debian.net/xorg and http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html is all i know about it. check the bts and README.Debian and NEWS.Debian
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17:10<sybariten>drone77: hehe
17:10<panagos>stew: and generally xorg.cong is left pretty blank, in contrast with older versions, which filled it with various info about resolutions, frequencies, driver options etc
17:11<panagos>^^ i mean, after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:11<stew>panagos: yeah, they goal is to not have an xorg.conf at all
17:11<stew>^they^they're
17:11<panagos>!!!!!
17:11<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
17:11<stew>i'm glad to see they are making progress
17:11<panagos>o_O
17:12<Supaplex>hahaa
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17:12<panagos>stew: yeah, if only my X would also start...
17:12<stew>panagos: well trying out these bleeding edge features is why you run sid, right!
17:13<panagos>hah
17:13<panagos>i think i'll well revert to unstable, as far as X is concerned
17:13<stew>!info xserver-xorg unstable
17:14<panagos>** to testing
17:14<dpkg>xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+10 (sid), Packaged size: 199 kB, Installed size: 644 kB
17:14<stew>panagos: there wasn't anything in the bts?
17:14<panagos>!info xserver-xorg testing
17:14<dpkg>xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB
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17:18<xDbr>if i download Debian xfce cd1, i must download any other .iso?
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17:20<JasonF>Hey -- I'm having some trouble with getting dh-make-pecl to work with APC.
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17:20<JasonF>It looks like it's not properly reading in the package names
17:22<Supaplex>apc?
17:23<Supaplex>a transcript of how you're invoking it would be helpful. rafb.net/paste
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17:24<JasonF>http://rafb.net/p/utRFX120.html
17:24<JasonF>Supaplex: APC = Alternative PHP Cache.
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17:25<Pi3rrot>hi all, i i want to compile lirc on my debian 64, but i have this proble http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51264/ ...
17:25<panagos>does anyone have an ati hd 2400 graphics card? i can't get mine to work with X...
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17:27<Supaplex>JasonF: oh, I thought you said dh-make-perl :)
17:27<JasonF>no, pecl :)
17:27<JasonF>looks like the package.xml is missing
17:28<panagos>stew: can you please tell me again these 2 urls you said a while ago?
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17:29<Supaplex>panagos: try /lastlog stew
17:29<stew>panagos: http://changelogs.debian.net/xorg and http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html
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17:30<Taslak>good evening
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17:34<Taslak>I am looking for some help with my hp Pavilion which does not seem to like etch. Especially not the nVidia graphics (nVidia GeForce 8600M GS) and the sound system.
17:34<Taslak>(
17:34<Taslak>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
17:34<Taslak> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30cc
17:34<Taslak> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 82
17:34<Taslak> Memory at f8400000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
17:34<Taslak> Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
17:34<Taslak> Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable-
17:34<Taslak> Capabilities: [70] Express Unknown type IRQ 0
17:34<Taslak> Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
17:34<Taslak> Capabilities: [130] Unknown (5)
17:34<Taslak>) Is anybody around who has got some experience with this?
17:34<Supaplex>!tell Taslak -about paste
17:34<ameyer>where's the kickbot when you need it?
17:34<Pi3rrot>anybody are using lirc?
17:36<Supaplex>Taslak: 'does not seem to like etch' is fairly ambigious. Did you /msg dpkg nvidia ?
17:36<stew>Taslak: /msg dpkg new alsa
17:38<sheldonh>Taslak: you'll need 2.6.22 from backports, and alsa modules built from alsa-source-1.0.15
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17:38<stew>sheldonh: why does he need 2.6.22?
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17:39<panagos>i tried knoppix 5.1.1 and it worked with my ati card (although with no acceleration)! though copy-pasting its xorg.conf file didnt work...
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17:40<Taslak>Sorry I am fairly new with debian. Do I have to build the alsa files myself or are they downloadable?
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17:40<stew>!new alsa
17:40<dpkg>rumour has it, new alsa is to compile newer alsa drivers for your running kernel: first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your alsa drivers for the new ones to take effect. also ask me about <alsa checklist>
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17:40<panagos>any ideas why the vesa driver doesn't work with my ati card? (for X)
17:40<stew>Taslak: yes, you need to build alsa yourself, dpkg gave the instructions above
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17:41<jedi1>hey
17:41<panagos>i'm trying various drivers, and i either get an out of bounds signal, or an empty /dev/tty7
17:41<stew>panagos: put your log into a pastebin
17:41<jedi1>can anyone tell me what should I define in configure.ac and makefile.am if I need allegro and sdl_mixer in my project?
17:41<Taslak>Thanks and I assume the same holds true for the nVidia driver?
17:42<sheldonh>you're lucky you just need updated alsa drivers. you should try a dell vostsro 1700 :)
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17:42<stew>Taslak: seeing as how new your sound card is, you probably need to use proprietary nvidia drivers
17:42<sheldonh>!nvidia
17:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:45<panagos>stew: note that i have no graphics (other that /dev/tty*), so that will be a bit cumbersome :P
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17:46<stew>panagos: use a text browser to upload the file to http://paste.debian.net or http://pastebin.ca/upload.php or /msg dpkg pastewithoutx
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17:53<chump_>hey guys i'm getting a complaint from Vmware saying i don't ahve the compiler my kernel was compiled with
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17:53<Maulkin>Blame VMware, or search the vmware forums for the vmware-any patch or something similar. It's a known issue
17:54<chump_>yeah i guess i should recompile my kernel any way right?
17:55<Maulkin>no...
17:55<chump_>i've been wanting to any way
17:55<Maulkin>there's a patch which fixes vmware's broken install scripts
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17:55<panagos>stew: ok, i think i did it; but how do i see its url?
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17:55<stew>panagos: how did you do it?
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17:56<stew>panagos: what site did you use?
17:56<panagos>http://channels.debian.net/paste
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17:56<panagos>stew: ^^
17:57<stew>panagos: it didn't work then. the most recent paste there is about an hour old
17:57<panagos>oh
17:57<panagos>i used w3m
17:57<panagos>maybe it's a cookie thing?
17:57<stew>panagos: no, its not a cookie thing
17:57<stew>panagos: did you actually hit the "send" button?
17:57<stew>panagos: or the "upload" button?
17:58<panagos>yes
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17:59<panagos>stew: ok, it's up!
17:59<panagos>title: test
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18:00<panagos>i just had to also enter a name for the upload
18:01<panagos>** name: test
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18:02<stew>panagos: i don't see any errors. did x actually start?
18:02<stew>and it looks like it detected your monitor well
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18:02<panagos>what can i say...
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18:03<stew>panagos: is that the entire log?
18:03<stew>no, its not
18:03<panagos>ok, wait, i'll try again
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18:04<panagos>hmm, it should be 2771 lines long
18:05<stew>its not
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18:08<panagos>stew: i uploaded it again, but it trimmed it again
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18:11<panagos>stew: ok, it's up, all of it! in pastebin.ca
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18:13<panagos>btw, you mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log, right?
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18:13<Clumsy_Root>greetings
18:13<JasonS>panagos: they need tue url
18:15<panagos>it's on pastebin.ca, label: "xorg problem"
18:15<themill>http://pastebin.ca/847359
18:15<Clumsy_Root>sorry to disturb, i'm having some ugly problems with my lenny: some days ago i installed guidedog, and now i can't seem to remove it. the pre-removal script returned an error code 3; in addition to that, iceweasel stopped working altogether, even reinstalling it didn't help. terminal doesn't seem to show anything too wrong with it; any ideas?
18:16<panagos>http://pastebin.ca/847359
18:16<JasonS>panagos: too slow themill beat you to it heh
18:17<panagos>:D
18:17<panagos>as i said earlier, i'm in text mode...
18:17<stew>panagos: what happened when you tried to start x when this log was generated?
18:18<betel>What option in make menuconfig would give me the iptables_nat module?
18:18<stew>panagos: did you get an error? a blank screen?
18:18<panagos>stew: it switches to /dev/tty7 (i think) and i get a blank screen and a message from my monitor "out of bounds signal"
18:18<stew>panagos: what is the maxumum supported resolution for your monitor?
18:19<panagos>1280x1024
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18:19<Clumsy_Roo1>here's the loophole: invoke-rc.d: initscript guidedog, action "stop" failed. naturally, the service isn't loaded because it can't find the proper modules; that's where it gets stuck, it can't be unloaded either
18:20<stew>panagos: yeah, and it is using #
18:20<stew>(--) VESA(0): Virtual size is 1600x1200 (pitch 1600)
18:20<panagos>oh
18:20<panagos>ooooooooooooooh
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18:20<panagos>why is it doing this to me? :(
18:21<stew>panagos: even though there was no modeline after edid for 1600x1200
18:21<stew>panagos: becuase there is a bug
18:21<stew>panagos: /msg dpkg reportbug
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18:22<panagos>hmm, let's run dpkg-reconfigure one more time, something is really fishy
18:22<stew>panagos: verify with "xdpyinfo | grep dimensions" that it is really trying to use 1600x1200
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18:22<jmburke>Need help with with KDE. Tried u-d and it failed. I think KDE was only half upgraded. Now I can't get it to load. Login menu appears but non of the users can login
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18:22<stew>jmburke: what is u-d?
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18:23<jmburke>sorry meant dist-upgrade
18:24<stew>jmburke: what happens when a user tries to login?
18:24<jmburke>stew: screen goes black for a few seconds and then login screen reappears
18:24<stew>jmburke: check ~username/.xsession-errors
18:24<panagos>stew: i get "xdpyinfo: unable to open display ""."
18:25<stew>panagos: you need to set DISPLAY
18:25<panagos>oh
18:25<panagos>stew: to what? :0 ?
18:26<stew>yes
18:26<panagos>i can't run it inside X / in an xterm
18:26<stew>run from a vt
18:27<panagos>and from /dev/tty* it says Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server \n Xlib: No protocol specified \n xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0".
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18:27<stew>panagos: run it as the user that started X
18:27<panagos>aha
18:27<panagos> dimensions: 1600x1200 pixels (406x305 millimeters)
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18:28<stew>panagos: so file a bug
18:28-!-gravity [~david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
18:28<panagos>right
18:28<stew>or bug gravity!
18:28<stew>gravity: feel like getting bugged about a -10 problem with monitor autodetection?
18:28<gravity>oh crap
18:28<stew>:)
18:29<gravity>stew: Yeah
18:29<jmburke>stew: I am root and it says that permission denied
18:29<gravity>Who is it?
18:29<stew>gravity: http://pastebin.ca/847359 it got good EDID data and detected that the monitor was only 1280x1024, but it still tried to use a 1600x1200 mode
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18:29<stew>gravity: panagos
18:29<panagos>stew: is there a difference if i run startx or invoke-rc.d kdm start ? which should i use for testing?
18:30<gravity>panagos: -ati?
18:30<stew>yes
18:30<stew>panagos: doesn't matter
18:30<gravity>panagos: Did you email me about this?
18:30<panagos>i don't get it. what is gravity?
18:30<panagos>!gravity
18:30<dpkg>gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover, or loves proprietary drivers
18:30<gravity>panagos: I work on X
18:31<panagos>gravity: you're not a bot?
18:31<gravity>Not last I checked
18:31<panagos>(no offense)
18:31<panagos>ok
18:31<panagos>well
18:31<stew>have you ever seen a bot with a mighty wang of doom?
18:32<panagos>OMG
18:32<panagos>gravity: i have an ati sapphire hd 2400 pro
18:32<betel>he might be a bot that can pass teh turing test
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18:33<panagos>i'm a human and still can't pass it
18:33<stew>jmburke: what says permission denied?
18:33<jmburke>at the terminal
18:34<jmburke>WARNING: Extreme newbie
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18:34<gravity>panagos: Can you set the correct mode using xrandr?
18:35<panagos>!tell me about reportbug
18:35<azeem>panagos: /msg dpkg selftell
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18:36<gravity>And yes, filing a bug against -ati using reportbug would be helpful. I don't believe I can solve this quickly by IRC
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18:37<gravity> But this is the second such report today about -ati's difficulties with choosing the correct mode despite getting good DDC information, so I was going to look at it tonight anyway
18:37<gravity>Second that I've seen so far anyway. I haven't even opened my list mail yet
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18:40<gpm>/msg dpkg etch->lenny
18:40<gpm>ok
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18:47<panagos>stew: should i report a bug on the lenny or the sid version?
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18:49<streuner>if you ask so, better dont file a bugreport :-/
18:50<gravity>panagos: Wait... what?
18:50<gravity>panagos: You're running the lenny version and asking for autodetectoin?
18:51<streuner>(you have to mention what branch you are using, everything else is up to the maint of the package...)
18:51<panagos>gravity: excuse me?
18:51<gravity>panagos: You're reporting a bug against the ati driver, right?
18:51<panagos>gravity: if i do, probably yeah
18:51<gravity>panagos: What exactly are you running?
18:52<panagos>gravity: you studied my paste?
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18:52<streuner>panagos: please answer our questions
18:52<streuner>panagos: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
18:53<gravity>Oh, you're running the vesa driver!
18:53<panagos>gravity: kernel 2.6.22-3-amd64, xserver-xorg version 1:7.2-5 (testing)
18:53<panagos>ii libc6 2.7-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
18:53<gravity>panagos: The vesa driver won't autodetect much
18:53<streuner>hehe
18:54<panagos>gravity: should i try with ati?
18:54<gravity>panagos: You have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed, correct?
18:54<gravity>panagos: Either that or -radeonhd
18:54<panagos>but vesa is supposed to be the common denominator! it should always work
18:54<gravity>panagos: It does work, but not perfectly
18:54<gravity>I can look at that too
18:54<panagos>xserver-xorg-video-ati, yes
18:55<gravity>panagos: Ok, install -radeonhd
18:55<panagos>hm
18:55<panagos>ok
18:55<gravity>Shit, I need to add that to the xserver-xorg-video-all depends
18:55*gravity does so
18:56<panagos>hahaha
18:56<panagos>LOL
18:56<panagos>ahem, excuse me
18:56<gravity>?
18:56<panagos>you missed it! it's your fault! :P
18:56<gravity>Um... ok
18:56<panagos>i had installed fglrx-* though
18:57<panagos>thought it could be enough
18:57<gravity>You have to set that up yourself
18:57<gravity>I don't work on that
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18:57<panagos>gravity: which driver should i choose now? with radeonhd
18:58<gravity>panagos: Yeah
18:58<gravity>panagos: Well, it should just load if you don't have any driver specified in xorg.conf
18:58<gravity>The right one will match your PCI ID
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18:58<panagos>gravity: with xserver-xorg/testing
18:59<panagos>if i have understood right, this ueber autodetection happens with the sid version
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18:59<gravity>panagos: Yes, only in sid
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18:59<gravity>panagos: The testing version is pretty good though actually. You can run with no xorg.conf and it'll do a good job, but probably not on your card
19:00<gravity>Even now, the autodetection isn't really finished
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19:00<gravity>Assuming you learned about it from my blog, I did talk about how there's more to do
19:01<panagos>gravity: actually i haven't read your blog :)
19:01<gravity>Hrm, well word gets out then
19:01<gravity>Good to know at least some people still read planet
19:02<panagos>gravity: all this troubleshooting began when i noticed that the latest sid version was "skipping" questions
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19:02<panagos>ha, not reading planet either :P
19:02<gravity>Well, someone told you about it
19:03<panagos>stew did it
19:03<streuner>here we go
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19:03<panagos>tadah!
19:03<streuner>of course, who else read planet...
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19:03<betel>hello all. where would I find iptables_nat in make menuconfig?
19:04<gravity>panagos: I take it that it works?
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19:04<panagos>not yet :(
19:04<RichiH>anyone got a xen box handy they can use to test a bug?
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19:04<jmburke>Need help. Tried to dist-upgrade and encountered an error with hotkey-setup. I tried to run KDE before setup was completed. I finally fixed the probelm by removing and purging hotkey-setup, but know KDE won't load. I can get the login window but non of the users can login.
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19:05<panagos>streuner: you and stew are the same person?
19:05-!-miksuh [miksuh@a91-152-173-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:05<streuner>panagos: /whois stew *and* /whois streuner
19:05<panagos>gravity: which package has the ati driver? -ati or -radeonhd?
19:06<panagos>streuner: so you also use two names!
19:06<gravity>panagos: There's two drivers for different hardware.
19:06*streuner raises his eyebrow
19:06<gravity>panagos: Anyway, I have to go afk for a bit
19:06<somae7>I'm looking for a simple program to print out calendars - there are problems with Evolution
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19:07<streuner>panagos: scroll up, gravity told you about
19:07<somae7>iceape calendar doesn't seem to print out either
19:08<azeem>can the linux-image-2.6.23-1-xen-686 package run as Dom0?
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19:08<panagos>HALLELUJAH!
19:08<panagos>it works!
19:08<streuner>!congratulate panagos
19:08<dpkg>Nice one panagos, you did it!
19:09<panagos>with the radeonhd driver and xserver-xorg/unstable
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19:09<streuner>omg
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19:10<streuner>read /msg dpkg sid faq at least
19:10*panagos cries in excetement
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19:10<panagos>streuner: don't worry about that :D
19:10<panagos>i already was a lenny/sid user
19:11<panagos>i just didn't combine the radeonhd driver with xserver-xorg/testing
19:11<panagos>after all
19:11<panagos>now i can leave ircII :P
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19:12<JasonS>panagos: good, now go install irssi, bah
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19:14<linxa>hi
19:14<panagos>hmmm, the mouse feels swifter (must be because of hours of using gpm in the vt's :P)
19:14<linxa>i actived crash dumps on my server
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19:15<linxa>do you know how to analize that crash archives?
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19:15<linxa>the location of these archives is /var/crash
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19:23<gravity>panagos: Congratulations
19:23<gravity>Glad it worked out
19:23<panagos>gravity: it seems i just needed to install -radeonhd after all...
19:23<gravity>panagos: Yep, I've fixed that issue in our repo, so we'll have it installed by default in the future
19:24<gravity>That's good news
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19:24<panagos>wow, i just helped the development!
19:24<gravity>Yep, thank you
19:24<panagos>you're welcome :D
19:26*streuner dont like people much without respect
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19:30<Clumsy_Roo1>excuse me, i'm having a rather serious library problem
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19:30<Clumsy_Roo1>whenever i try starting iceweasel or totem, neither work; the only thing they have in common are these two errors here http://pastebin.com/d4bfa9a95
19:32<Clumsy_Roo1>i tried searching around, but data is rather sketchy on the matter. i'm under deb lenny, BTW
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19:36<rasp>i have instaled sun-java6-jdk using apt get install,but when i do java -version nothing shows up
19:37<rasp>could anyone tell me where it will be installed
19:37<rasp>locate,find doesnt show it either
19:38<rasp>if i try apt-get install again i get sun-java6-jdk is already the newest version.
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19:38<rasp>so it must be instaled correct ??
19:38<ameyer>I don't think "java" is provided by the jdk
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19:40<themill>rasp: what do you mean by "nothing shows up"?
19:40<rasp>i cant find the .bin file for 1.6.0 anywere so i can install it ./sun-java6-jdk that way
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19:40<rasp>on sun java site they are all updates
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19:41<ameyer>although, the jre should have been installed by installing the jdk
19:42<ameyer>try installing sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-bin
19:42<rasp>yeh
19:42<themill>rasp: you also need to update-java-alternatives
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19:48<gpm>Clumsy_Roo1: using kde
19:48<gpm>?
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19:52<dondelelcaro>though in this case, since it's my bot, and my opinion, I suggest you don't.
19:52<dondelelcaro>ECHAN
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20:16<lucas_amorim>hello, I have installed wine from a tar.gz and now I want to remove it to install the one which is in the repository. How can I remove it?
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20:18<lupine>hahaha
20:18<lupine>short answer: you don't
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20:19<lupine>if you kept the source tree around, you might be lucky and have "make uninstall" available to you... but that's unlikely
20:19<lupine>did you install it to /usr/local, or /usr? (`whereis wine` if unsure)
20:19<lucas_amorim>:(
20:19<betel>lucas_amorim: I would re-install it from the tar.gz with checkinstall and then uninstall that deb-package
20:20*Supaplex neuters embedded pdf viewing in firefox (grr)
20:20<lucas_amorim>lupine: wine: /usr/local/bin/wine /usr/local/lib/wine
20:21<lupine>eh, you might get away with manually purging /usr/local of wine components then
20:21<lupine>if you're lucky, careful and diligent, anyway
20:21<lucas_amorim>betel: you mean, make uninstall?
20:22<lucas_amorim>lupine: you mean "rm -r /usr/local/bin/wine /usr/local/lib/wine" ??
20:22<betel>lucas_amorim: no, checkinstall is an easy way of making debian packages from tar.gz
20:22<lupine>that won't be the only stuff
20:22<lucas_amorim>lupine: what else?
20:22<betel>but since wine is in local it might be easier and faster to remove it by hand
20:22<lupine>if you have the tarball still around, betel's checkinstall idea might save your bacon
20:22<lupine>lucas_amorim: I don't know
20:23<lucas_amorim>lupine: I don't
20:23<lucas_amorim>first i have to find out which one I used
20:23<lucas_amorim>It was a long time ago
20:23<betel>try searching /usr/local for anything named wine and remove it if it doesn't seem to belong to something else then wine
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20:25<lupine>here's the output of dpkg -L libwine wine | sed s-/usr-/usr/local : http://www.lupine.me.uk/winefiles.txt
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20:25<lupine>you might find it handy
20:26<lucas_amorim>thank you both
20:26<lucas_amorim>I will try these ideas
20:26<lucas_amorim>I will let you know what happens
20:27<betel>lucas_amorim: you're welcome
20:27<lucas_amorim>:)
20:27<lupine>now don't do it again :p
20:27<betel>try checkinstall :)
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20:28<lucas_amorim>hahah
20:28<lucas_amorim>lupine: I have learned the lesson
20:28<lucas_amorim>:p
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20:43<lucas_amorim>lupine, betel: It seems to have worked. I mean, I removed those wine occurrences in /usr/local/bin and then installed it from apt-get. It is working till now :)
20:43<lucas_amorim>thanks
20:45<Clumsy_Root>hi
20:46<Clumsy_Root>how can i debug a segfault? gtk+ apps are crashing systematically.
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20:46<lupine>Clumsy_Root: with gdb
20:46<abrotman>strace and gdb
20:46<Clumsy_Root>yeah, that's what i'm trying to use but i'm not too good with it
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20:47<Clumsy_Root>all i found out was that they're giving a signal 11
20:47<Clumsy_Root>from there i'm not really sure now to proceed tho'
20:47<Supaplex>if the hardware is flawed, no sense in using gdb. did you run memtest86+ for a few complete passes?
20:48<Clumsy_Root>it's a software issue. it used to work, and now it ain't
20:48<abrotman>Clumsy_Root: strace gives a decent initial check .. gdb is more informative ..
20:48<abrotman>"used to work, now it doesn't" does not mean it's software
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20:49<Clumsy_Root>if it works perfectly under root, then it's definitely software; already did it once, that time i just reinstalled my video drivers
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20:49<Clumsy_Root>only it didn't work this time
20:50<Clumsy_Root>so i'm stuck with figuring out what actually happened, but i don't really know how to read those debug logs :/
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20:53<betel>Clumsy_Root: bt gives you a backtrace in gdb
20:54<Clumsy_Root>hm, done. can i pastebin it?
20:55<Clumsy_Root>http://pastebin.com/d60f5c9e3 what do you think?
20:59<betel>Clumsy_Root: maybe libgtk2.0-0-dbg will help. It contains debugging symbols
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21:00<Clumsy_Root>alright, installing that one. sorry for being a n00b about it
21:01<betel>I wrote 'maybe', because I don't now much myself :)
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21:02<Clumsy_Root>lol, oh well :)
21:02<chealer>Clumsy_Root: it works for new users?
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21:02<Clumsy_Root>nah, i just suck at debugging in general ^^'
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21:03<Clumsy_Root>http://pastebin.com/d351772c6 is this any more helpful?
21:04<Clumsy_Root>although, i see x11 references... maybe it's actually the video driver again, but i did reinstall it
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21:05<ranix_>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no video driver
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21:06<betel>Clumsy_Root: this might be the same bug: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/2005-February/012305.html
21:07<Clumsy_Root>wow, that's really similar
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21:07<betel>Clumsy_Root: but there is no help in the thread
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21:07<Clumsy_Root>oh, wait
21:07<Clumsy_Root>maybe there is something...
21:08<Clumsy_Root>QT theme, they said
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21:08<betel>yeah, true
21:08<Clumsy_Root>which i am using for GTK+ apps... that would also explain why root mode ain't crashing O_o;
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21:08<Clumsy_Root>i swear, if it's something that silly...
21:08<betel>:)
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21:09<Clumsy_Root>^^ be right back, see if it works
21:09<betel>Clumsy_Root: myself, I have no problems with gtk-qt-engine if that is what you are using
21:09<Clumsy_Root>actually, i think i'll stick around: it seems to be fix'd, not sure
21:10<Clumsy_Root>whoa, way to go, it worked
21:10<betel>bu I'm not running Gnome
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21:10<Clumsy_Root>me neither, KDE here
21:10<betel>amd64 here
21:11<Clumsy_Root>it's probably the GTK+ style manager (same CPU as well)
21:11<bernardo>is there a debian package that creates some sort of recovery discs for your system?
21:11<Clumsy_Root>must be bugged out of its... you get the picture
21:11<betel>Clumsy_Root: yeah
21:12<Clumsy_Root>anyway, thanks a lot for that info :) i'll have to remember to not touch that theme ever again
21:12<betel>Clumsy_Root: you're welcome
21:13<Clumsy_Root>still, sometimes i wonder how some of these broken features even GET into the main branch...
21:13<bernardo>Is there a debian package that creates some sort of recovery discs for your system?
21:14<betel>well, there is a bug report, and it works for me
21:15<Clumsy_Root>well, that is true
21:15<Clumsy_Root>maybe i'll file one
21:15<betel>bernardo: I don't know, but can't the debian CD already be used as a recovery disc?
21:15<ne>helllo!! I am using Debian-Lenny, samba server is also installed. Question: "I can see some shared folders of windows boxes on LAN using Konqueror. How can i reach that folder from my console, what is the correct folder path?" I appreciate any comment. thanks
21:16<bernardo>betel: no...
21:17<Clumsy_Root>ne: better mount those folders, that way you'll have access to your files in a more comfortable way
21:17<bernardo>betel: Because I want a software that creates a image of my hd and burns it on a dvd
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21:18<betel>Clumsy_Root: the bug was closed back in 2005 because they couldn't reproduce it :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296805
21:18<bernardo>betel: and when i want to recover my system I just put the dvd on....just like you see on some brand pc's
21:18<Clumsy_Root>ne, try this: sudo mount -t cifs -o file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,gid=root,user //<IP of the machine with the shared folder>/<path of the folder>
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21:18<Clumsy_Root>betel, kickass. gonna reopen it then :D
21:19<betel>bernardo: there should be a way, but I don't know how
21:19<ne>Clumsy_Root, thanks. how about smbmount ? which one is good do you think?
21:19<bernardo>betel: ok...thanks anyway :)
21:20<Clumsy_Root>don't use SMB, it's an obsolete filesystem
21:20<Clumsy_Root>CIFS is better and faster
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21:21<ne>ok thanks
21:22<Clumsy_Root>anytime.
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22:15<SM00TH>good morning | guten morgen
22:16<SM00TH>anybody up? | noch jemand wach?
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22:17<SM00TH>*wb
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22:20<SM00TH>are 80 gb enough for the new testing version? *sry i am new*
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22:25<stew>SM00TH: yes. 2gb is enough
22:25<SM00TH>wow
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22:26<SM00TH>if you've got a little bit of your time stew, I'd like to forget win and jump to linux, debian is the first change.. The web is telling something.. but what about multimedia
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22:27<stew>SM00TH: what in particular?
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22:28<SM00TH>hmm.. mp3 playing or if possible compiling etc... mp4 would be nice too.. just for privat... the things which are in .txt shouldn't be a problem...
22:29<stew>SM00TH: mp3 playing isn't a problem. debian doens't mp3 encoders or any xvid/divx software becuase those are protected by patents
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22:29<SM00TH>any tips?
22:29<SM00TH>or not possible?
22:30<SM00TH>sry but this different kind of packets
22:32<stew>SM00TH: its possible, you just can't get the software from debian
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22:36<other>shite i've got to many probs with my win system and now i'd like to setup a stabile nix sys; thx to stew
22:37<other>my name is smooth, but my win sys has a big prob...
22:37<other>if possible please kill this name and i'd like to register this one. thx
22:37<other>SM00TH
22:38<stew>other: /msg nickserv help register
22:38<other>YES sure, but the name is still reserved
22:38<other>but it would take a time..
22:38<other>ping timeout, or something else..
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22:39<other>i hope that i am alive this time..
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22:40<gurpreet>hi
22:40*other is looking @ debian.org for information..
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22:41<gurpreet>whenever i run aptitude, it shows me some packages that have been "kept back", what does this mean?
22:41<stew>gurpreet: /msg dpkg kept back
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22:41<ameyer>it means that they can't be updated due to dependency issues
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22:43<gurpreet>ameyer, stew reading the link dpkg gave me, thanks
22:43<SM00TH>sry: any kind of tips for stable windows downloading and resuming?
22:44<SM00TH>I've got a dos boot disk with ntfs..
22:44<SM00TH>and network
22:44<stew>SM00TH: what is "windows downloading and resuming"
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22:44<SM00TH>if my windows is freezing sry for any kind of write mistakes
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22:45*ameyer wonders if there's a port of wget to Windows
22:45<gurpreet>SM00TH, but this is #debian
22:45<stew>SM00TH: if your machine is freezing, you probably have faulty hardware. i'd recommend testing your memory with memtest86+
22:45<Supaplex>!tell SM00TH -about goodbye-windows.com
22:45<SM00TH>i'm repeating sry
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22:45<stew>SM00TH: by windows you mean microsoft windows?
22:46<SM00TH>thx stew reading msg Supaplex
22:46<ameyer>stew: we are talking about MS Windows here I think
22:46<stew>i'd hope not
22:46<ameyer>so it's equally likely he's pwnt
22:47<SM00TH>yes its an X :::::: P :::::: S:P ::::::4/2
22:47<ameyer>I think SMOOTH is having issues acquiring Debian due to Windows refusing to cooperate
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22:47<stew>SM00TH: what?
22:47<SM00TH>XP SP2
22:48<SM00TH>so not possible to change easily
22:48<SM00TH>no prob
22:48<SM00TH>i don't like this sys anymore
22:48<gurpreet>SM00TH, sorry but i still didn't understood what you want to do
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22:49<GhostlyDeath>Anyone here have a Dynex Wireless G Desktop Card?
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22:50<stew>GhostlyDeath: assume someone does and just ask your real question
22:50<GhostlyDeath>stew, What if that was my real question?
22:51<stew>GhostlyDeath: the answer is yes. someone has one
22:51<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: I bet you have one, and have a debian question like "How do I configure wireless in debian for this?" right?
22:51<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex, I have windows installed and I was wondering how I plug it in =P
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22:52<SM00TH>sry people in #debian please do not get angry or any kind i'm new, and just little freeze probs with win, for a short time before (8 month, no problems, after then STOP: Problems in stop idechndr sys/ after some googling the problem should be in a Intel driver... now for 4 days I don't installed this one..
22:52<SM00TH>a new xp sys
22:52<SM00TH>but it freeze
22:52<Supaplex>SM00TH: that's not debian relative. are you trying to download a debian installer?
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22:53<SM00TH>at this time i download the dvd stable versions
22:53<SM00TH>i'm not a person at linux
22:53<Supaplex>SM00TH: that's overkill. you only need netinst :)
22:53<Supaplex>!tell SM00TH -about netinst
22:53<gurpreet>SM00TH, if you want help on your question make it debian specific like "i want to download debian on my windows system but it keep on freezing what should i do" :p
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22:53<GhostlyDeath>pfft netinst
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22:53<GhostlyDeath>never worked for me
22:53<SM00TH>new at debian, fedora, red.. and others testet before..
22:53<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: works everywhere I go. :)
22:54<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex, When it needs to download the packages it fails to do so
22:54<SM00TH>thx @ maybe the bot dpkg
22:54<gurpreet>SM00TH, you can use some download manager in windows for do this for you, get wget's windows port
22:54<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex, It does a few then it just stops
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22:54<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: do you have a supported NIC?
22:54<GhostlyDeath>FDM is nice
22:54<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex, yeah it's supported
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22:55<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath: does it download anything at all?
22:56<gurpreet>stew, about kept back, one thing isn't clear to me, are the packages kept back because they new packages or they need new _versions_ of the already installed packages?
22:56<gurpreet>they need* new packages or new versions?
22:56<GhostlyDeath>Supaplex, only a few packages
22:56<ameyer>could be either one
22:56<stew>gurpreet: because upgrading them requires a change in the list of installed packages. they either need some installed package to be removed or they need some not yet installed package to be installed
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22:56<SM00TH>downoading wget with ssl support finished..
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22:57<Tarcas>gurpreet, they can be kept back because you marked them to do so or because they may cause problems if you upgrade. They should all be packages that you have installed.
22:57<SM00TH>is it possible to resuming downloads whits is?
22:57<kmap_lab>SM00TH: wget -c
22:57<gurpreet>SM00TH, yes
22:57<ameyer>stew: or they need a newer version of something else
22:57<stew>ameyer: i don't think so
22:57<ameyer>which breaks another package or doesn't exist yet
22:58<kmap_lab>stew: Is there a way to make aptitude suppress those kept back messages?
22:58<Supaplex>SM00TH: goodbye-windows.com takes care of all this in 180kb or less :)
22:58<SM00TH>hmm... i think if i chancel the download now in firefox it will be deleted completely or not?
22:58<stew>kmap_lab: dunno
22:58<SM00TH>hehe
22:58<kmap_lab>stew: OK. I'll RTFM. :-)
22:58<SM00TH>i shite on wi...
22:58<SM00TH>to many exploits
22:58<stew>SM00TH: this is the right channel for help with windows
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22:58<gurpreet>ameyer, yes, if upgrade can't even upgrade the installed packages's version then what would it upgrade
22:58<Tarcas>kmap_lap: At the very least you can tell it to install the packages that are kept back.
22:58<SM00TH>this channel is up to date!
22:59<kmap_lab>kmap_lab: That I know.
22:59<SM00TH>what this channel means about the news
22:59<SM00TH>about drive scanning?
22:59<kmap_lab>kmap_lab: Trouble is, sid changes so quickly. :-)
22:59<stew>so quickly it makes one talk to oneself
23:00<Tarcas>kmap_lab: If you want your packages to not change so rapidly use Testing. It's only a couple of weeks behind Unstable/Sid
23:00<kmap_lab>Tarcas: Er, no. I am always on sid. Just that I don't want aptitude to keep reminding me that several packages are being kept back
23:00<gurpreet>Tarcas, i have to do dist-upgrade to install them, so can i installed just the required packages to save downloading
23:00<Tarcas>stew: Last time he looked, someone else was using that name. :-)
23:01<kmap_lab>gurpreet: No. upgrade.
23:01<SM00TH>hmmm..
23:01<kmap_lab>stew: Sorry. :-)
23:01*kmap_lab has two screens open with two nicks. :-)
23:02<gurpreet>kmap_lab, upgrade is showing some kept back packages, the solution i know is to dist-upgrade, just wanted to know if some other solution exists, coz dist-upgrade will download lot of stuff
23:02<Tarcas>gurpreet: I believe a dist-upgrade will upgrade any packages you have even if it requires addition of a new package. It won't add packages randomly, and won't download packages that you're not installing if that's what you're asking.
23:02<SM00TH>what about iptables in debian; is this behaviour very different?
23:03<gurpreet>Tarcas, i got it, dist-upgrade will download just necessary stuff
23:03<stew>SM00TH: different than what?
23:03<gurpreet>SM00TH, iptables rules will be same, just the way to start/stop the service will differ
23:03<Tarcas>gurpreet: You can do a partial dist-upgrade by just installing the already existing packages that are being held back that you want the upgrades for. If you do all, it should be the same as a dist-upgrade.
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23:03<SM00TH>the gui version if it is available
23:04<gurpreet>Tarcas, how can i do partial dist-upgrade?
23:04<kmap_lab>SM00TH: There's no GUI version. Try Guarddog or Shorewall for a GUI firewall config
23:04<stew>gurpreet: use the frontend
23:05<gurpreet>stew, oh yes, i almost forgot that frontends also exist
23:05<SM00TH>thx
23:05<Tarcas>gurpreet: Officially there's no such thing, but if you only want to upgrade a couple of the packages in your held-back list, just apt-get install those packages. (it will upgrade just those, and install any necessary dependencies.
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23:05<SM00TH>i'm proudly presenting 20% of debian 4 r2 i386 dvd iso1 :D
23:06<gurpreet>Tarcas, oh ok i got it, when i manually specify to install a package and if the package is already installed then it will upgrade it installing new packages along with it, am i right?
23:06<kmap_lab>gurpreet: Perfect.
23:06<SM00TH>wget is ready for the others... / still looking / reading..
23:06<Tarcas>Right!
23:06<gurpreet>Tarcas, kmap cool, thanks
23:06<gurpreet>kmap_lab, thanks
23:08<Tarcas>Speaking of apt, does anyone know about stalling when updating from a local apt-cache?
23:09<Tarcas>When I was running a local apt-cache, apt-get update would take terribly long, but then apt-get upgrade would be sped up as expected. Any idea why that might be?
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23:10<Tarcas>It took so long that it wasn't worth going through the cache so I changed all my sources to skip it. I mean, it was longer than most upgrades by far.
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23:12<SM00TH>download chanceld; thx to dpgh alias Supaplex or anybody else.. maybe be right back; is x-chat available?
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23:13<SM00TH>starting with goodbye-windows.installer.for.debian.
23:13-!-sysop [~sysop@70-10-125-76.area7.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:13<SM00TH>but looking at net connections on startup..
23:13<SM00TH>byebye
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23:29<ghostintheshell>when i try to reboot my computer, it often just shuts down, and i can't turn it on for thirty seconds or so
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23:29<ghostintheshell>why might this be, and how can i fix it?
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23:34<Supaplex>ghostintheshell: can you test it with a different PSU?
23:35<gurpreet>back
23:37<ghostintheshell>i don't have a different psu supplex
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23:37<ghostintheshell>what do you think it is?
23:38<Supaplex>it could be the psu, or motherboard. is the bios firmware up to date?
23:39<ghostintheshell>supalex, i'm not sure it's the latest version
23:39<ameyer>sounds like a mobo or psu to me
23:40<ameyer>IANA computer repairman, though
23:40<ghostintheshell>nor am i
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23:40<ameyer>I'd guess it's a flaky PSU, though
23:41<ghostintheshell>it's an antec silent something
23:43<ghostintheshell>phantom, that's it
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23:43<ghostintheshell>phantom 500
23:44<Supaplex>try the newest motherboard firmware. at least that should be doable w/o buying anything. failing that, find a local retailer with a suitable psu and a good return policy.
23:44<Tarcas>Does it shut down cleanly, or start to come back up and then die?
23:44<Supaplex>and it can't hurt to reset the bios settings to fail safe defaults
23:45<Supaplex>atleast shouldn't hurt :)
23:45<Tarcas>BIOS shouldn't cause that unless he's overclocking or something. I agree it shouldn't hurt though.
23:45<ghostintheshell>i might be able to return the psu anyway
23:45<Supaplex>acpi is mostly software/firmware driven
23:45<ghostintheshell>though i'm not sure i can upgrade the firmware
23:46<ghostintheshell>i have no floppy drive
23:46<Tarcas>How old? And what computer specs? (More importantly, how many hard drives and what type)
23:46<Supaplex>resetting bios defaults is less invasive than a firmware update. try that first.
23:46<Tarcas>CD-R should do for firmware. That's how I did mine this weekend.
23:46<Supaplex>and cdrw is even better :)
23:47<Tarcas>Tru dat. I didn't have any around, however.
23:47<Supaplex>I have two xerox boxes full of unused media. I have to NOT buy it when I'm at the store.
23:47<Supaplex>hehehe
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23:48<Tarcas>nice. Got a case of 3 1/2 and 5 1/4" disks. Now I just need to acquire a 5 1/4" drive. :-D
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23:49<Supaplex>I just shipped a few of those into ewaste recycling last week. :P
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23:49<CompWizrd>i kept a pair of 5.25" drives at work, just in case someone comes to me with a "i need to get this file from 10 years ago"
23:49<CompWizrd>i took them out of the machines though, people were putting cds in them
23:49<Supaplex>haha
23:50<Supaplex>serves them right :P
23:50<Tarcas>I'll grab the 3 1/2 / 5 1/4" combo drive out of my mother's P 133 Gateway. Hopefully it'll work with something I have around here. I don't know why it wouldn't even with my newest, unless they have single-drive Floppy headers now.
23:50<ghostintheshell>my bios seems to be able to boot from usb, could i try to put the firmware on a stick?
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23:50<Tarcas>The floppy cable it came with did only have one spot on it.
23:50<Supaplex>ghostintheshell: I don't see why not. I bet there's some google bait online for it. try freedos too
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23:51<Tarcas>Ghost: go for it. Worst case scenario, you waste 5 or 10 minutes.
23:51<ghostintheshell>indeed
23:51<ghostintheshell>and save a cd
23:51<Tarcas>right-o
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23:52<ghostintheshell>gotta go. this is not the end of this issue, i feel
23:52<Tarcas>Ghost: I'm still wondering if it shuts down cleanly on reboot or tries to come back up and dies midway. If the latter, you may have too much draw on the PSU or something.
23:53<Tarcas>Also check your capacitors. I never saw specs on your PC, but if it's between about 2 and 6 years old, you may have some bad caps.
23:54<ndev0rus>would anyone know how to forward internet connectivity from my 802.11 card(eth0) to output to eth2(on-board ethernet) ?
23:54<ghostintheshell>it tries to come back and dies
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23:54<Tarcas>ipchains.
23:54<ghostintheshell>it's about a month old
23:54<ghostintheshell>but after a few seconds, it works ok
23:54<Tarcas>the bad caps wouldn't be in something that recent.
23:55<sep>ndev0rus, depends on what you want, routing, natting, or bridging.
23:55<Tarcas>Anyway, I have to get to bed. Love to stay and troubleshoot but work will make me regret it in the morning. ;-)
23:56<ghostintheshell>me too
23:56<ndev0rus>Tarcas: good night, then
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