| --- | Log | opened Wed Jan 09 00:00:03 2008 |
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| 00:05 | <jack_> | ls |
| 00:05 | <jack_> | hi |
| 00:06 | <jack_> | help |
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| 00:06 | <Supaplex> | !tell jack_ -about ask |
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| 00:08 | <jack_> | I have just compiled a hello world program using glut.h |
| 00:09 | <jack_> | I find my system does not support direct rendering |
| 00:10 | <jack_> | I run glxinfo and it says "direct rendering: No" |
| 00:11 | <jack_> | My laptop is IBM T43 Thinkpad |
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| 00:11 | <jack_> | It has an ATI video card |
| 00:12 | <jack_> | How can I solve this problem |
| 00:12 | <ezc> | anyone know why the network connection applet on gnome desktop shows that I'm disconnected when i am connected to a network? |
| 00:12 | <ezc> | and i can't use gtk programs that require network access like email client, etc |
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| 00:18 | <jack_> | U |
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| 00:48 | <JustSoul2> | good morning :) |
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| 00:59 | <ezc> | morning |
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| 01:40 | <Woland> | heil |
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| 01:40 | <sangi> | #debian-cd |
| 01:40 | <Woland> | does anybody know how to configure my touchpad if xorg synaptics driver says that i have not such device? |
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| 01:41 | <tux> | hi to all |
| 01:42 | <JustSoul2> | What's best alternative for MS Active Directory? |
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| 01:42 | <tux> | someone can tell me how see the list of my hardware |
| 01:43 | <JustSoul2> | tux /sys |
| 01:43 | <sep> | tux depends on the hardware try lspci ? |
| 01:44 | <tux> | thank you |
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| 01:47 | <JustSoul2> | may be.. |
| 01:48 | <JustSoul2> | Is it smbd here? |
| 01:49 | <sep> | JustSoul2, i dont know what's best (for you) but we use samba + openldap |
| 01:50 | <JustSoul2> | Is it possible to make samba BDC? |
| 01:50 | <JustSoul2> | with MS PDC ? |
| 01:51 | <sep> | JustSoul2, i'd expect pain, tears and suffering. but a samba bdc to a samba pdc should be ok |
| 01:51 | <JustSoul2> | )) |
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| 01:55 | <JustSoul2> | sep may be You know some FAQs, RTFMs, INFOs ... How To change OS from MS Win to debian in Company? .. |
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| 01:58 | <sep> | JustSoul2, i dont admin many desktops. generaly look at the apps. if there is critical apps that you can not run, you'r basicaly stuck,. |
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| 01:58 | <JustSoul2> | i understand it |
| 01:59 | <sep> | you can try emulation or vm solutions or terminal solutions, but sometimes changing os on the desktop just for the heck of it is counter productive |
| 02:00 | <JustSoul2> | sep, heck? |
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| 02:33 | <mike_> | Hi! Please, help me to find driver for NIC "Attansic L1 LAN controller" on Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 02:33 | <jm_> | !tell mike_ about which driver |
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| 02:39 | <Supaplex> | how keen. |
| 02:39 | <streuner> | !which driver |
| 02:39 | <dpkg> | methinks driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 02:40 | <bignose> | I'm writing a Makefile and am trying to think of a tool that will be commonly installed on GNU/Linux to perform a particular step |
| 02:40 | <gsimmons> | mike_: See also <http://atl1.sf.net/>. |
| 02:40 | <bignose> | I need to check whether a specific file exists, and return success when it appears; but only wait a certain timeout period, and return failure if it hasn't appeared in that time. |
| 02:41 | <bignose> | i.e. I'd like to allow up to 5 seconds for the file to appear; but if it appears in less time than that, I want to know before the timeout elapses |
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| 02:42 | <jm_> | the only safe way for that is a shell script with sleep and shell tests |
| 02:42 | <bignose> | what tool, or combination of tools, can I use that would likely be installed on Debian GNU/Linux machines? |
| 02:43 | <bremner> | bignose: perl script? |
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| 02:44 | <bignose> | meh. if it requires writing it myself, I'll just do it in the Makefile with a function. |
| 02:44 | <bignose> | but if there's something that already does it, I'd be foolish to write and debug my own. |
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| 02:45 | <stew> | sounds like a job for fam / gamin, but youd have to write a client and ther are not going to be installed on many systems |
| 02:46 | <bremner> | and anyway fam/gamin are not 100% reliable in my experience |
| 02:46 | <jm_> | it's certainly not a standard tool, you won't find anything which can help installed on all systems (starting with inotify tools for example) |
| 02:46 | <Supaplex> | test -e foo && break ; sleep 1 |
| 02:46 | <bignose> | Supaplex: yes, that's what I'm already doing. ah well. |
| 02:47 | <bignose> | thanks guys, just needed to sanity check I wasn't re-inventing a wheel. |
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| 03:05 | <krasi> | hi |
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| 03:09 | <krasi> | hi |
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| 03:13 | <morgan`> | hello |
| 03:13 | <krasi> | In what user group i have to be member to listen sound. At the moment i recieve the folowing message "/dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)" |
| 03:13 | <gurpreet> | krasi, audio |
| 03:14 | <paistis> | useradd [user] adio |
| 03:14 | <paistis> | or was it adduser |
| 03:14 | <gurpreet> | adduser |
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| 03:18 | <knoppix_> | lol |
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| 03:23 | <krasi> | gurpreet:my user is alredy memer of audio group |
| 03:24 | <Supaplex> | krasi: did you relogin? What's id say? |
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| 03:24 | <krasi> | Supaplex: No |
| 03:24 | <blarson> | krasi: ls -l /dev/dsp See the group and permissions |
| 03:25 | <jm_> | !audio |
| 03:25 | <dpkg> | somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 03:26 | <Supaplex> | krasi: if you haven't relogged in since adding yourself to that group, you'll either need to do that, or use something like sg, newgrp |
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| 03:27 | <krasi> | I will relog now thanx |
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| 03:33 | <gurpreet> | is there any game similer to counter strike in linux? |
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| 03:36 | <Supaplex> | yea, I think it's called ... counter strike. |
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| 03:37 | <gurpreet> | Supaplex, you mean port exists for debian? but its not in the repos |
| 03:38 | <Supaplex> | I doubt it's in the repos. I thought there was a linux port, but I haven't ventured to chase it down |
| 03:39 | <gurpreet> | Supaplex, cool, i will do this chasing thing |
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| 03:39 | <Supaplex> | good luck :) |
| 03:39 | <gurpreet> | Supaplex, thanks, i need it |
| 03:40 | <paistis> | gurpreet: yes wolfenstein E.T |
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| 03:40 | <paistis> | and you can run cs on wine |
| 03:41 | <gurpreet> | paistis, what is wolfenstein E.T.? |
| 03:41 | <Bauer> | How can I set up direct rendering? |
| 03:41 | <paistis> | it's base on Ww2 free multiplayer game |
| 03:41 | <paistis> | E.T = Enemy territory |
| 03:42 | <gurpreet> | paistis, is it like CS? |
| 03:42 | <paistis> | yes |
| 03:42 | <Bauer> | How can I set up direct rendering? |
| 03:43 | <paistis> | Bauer: what is your graphcis card? |
| 03:43 | <gurpreet> | paistis, cool |
| 03:43 | <Bauer> | ati |
| 03:43 | <paistis> | what graphics card you have* |
| 03:43 | <Bauer> | r30 |
| 03:43 | <paistis> | Bauer: use ati vanilla kernel driver |
| 03:43 | <Bauer> | r300 |
| 03:43 | <paistis> | what cipt ? |
| 03:43 | <paistis> | chip* |
| 03:44 | <gurpreet> | paistis, ET isnt in the repos |
| 03:44 | <Bauer> | i don't know |
| 03:44 | <Bauer> | How can I know it? |
| 03:44 | <paistis> | gurpreet: you have to ise google |
| 03:44 | <paistis> | Bauer: lspci |
| 03:44 | <paistis> | use* |
| 03:45 | <paistis> | hmm.. today is typo day |
| 03:45 | <gurpreet> | paistis, ok, thanks for telling abt ET |
| 03:45 | <paistis> | no problem, it might e hard to find |
| 03:45 | <Bauer> | it is VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobility M300] |
| 03:46 | <paistis> | load radeon and mach64 modules |
| 03:46 | <paistis> | and check that your x is running on ati driver |
| 03:47 | <Bauer> | paistis: the radeon is loaded |
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| 03:47 | <Bauer> | paistis: what is mach64 about? |
| 03:48 | <streuner> | for older chipsets (ATI) |
| 03:48 | <streuner> | you prolly dont need that |
| 03:48 | <paistis> | yes |
| 03:48 | <streuner> | ATI Rage 128, for example |
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| 03:49 | <streuner> | Radeon isnt mach64 |
| 03:49 | <paistis> | yes the ati should do the work |
| 03:49 | <Bauer> | so i need only Radeon |
| 03:49 | <Bauer> | ? |
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| 03:49 | <paistis> | streuner: thanks |
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| 03:50 | <Bauer> | I have lsmod, and radeon is loaded |
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| 03:50 | <streuner> | laptop? |
| 03:50 | <knoppix_> | hi |
| 03:50 | <Bauer> | yes |
| 03:50 | <Bauer> | IBM T43 |
| 03:50 | <streuner> | Bauer: what kind of laptop? |
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| 03:51 | <streuner> | thinkpads are well supported in Linux |
| 03:51 | <streuner> | !laptops |
| 03:51 | <dpkg> | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 03:53 | <Bauer> | What should i do next? |
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| 03:54 | <Bauer> | I use default debian kernel |
| 03:54 | <streuner> | read http://meltin.net/hacks/linux/t43.html |
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| 03:55 | <streuner> | should be easy to get X working with t43 |
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| 03:55 | <streuner> | there are 3 entries for Debian, read all of them |
| 03:56 | <Bauer> | Thanks streuner |
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| 03:59 | <streuner> | Bauer: read that too, many trics and tips, but dont use his suggestion about using other than Debian's X system... |
| 03:59 | <streuner> | http://foosel.org/linux/t43 |
| 03:59 | <streuner> | otherwise you dont have support then... |
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| 04:02 | <Bauer> | my X is working |
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| 04:03 | <Bauer> | but it does not support direct rendering |
| 04:03 | <Bauer> | I have just compiled a program using glut.h |
| 04:03 | <Bauer> | The performance is low |
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| 04:08 | <streuner> | Bauer: try to google about "x300 ati Debian direct rendering", groups.google.com is also interesting, sorry, no idea about that |
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| 04:16 | <JustSoul2> | the simplest hex editor under installation console or how to read first 512B of hda except dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/tty0 count=1 |
| 04:16 | <JustSoul2> | ? |
| 04:16 | <niru> | I have a .c and makefile |
| 04:16 | <niru> | how can i make module for that |
| 04:17 | <JustSoul2> | mb make? |
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| 04:19 | <gurpreet> | my aptitude is locked up due to closing xterm in the middle of install, how can i fix this? |
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| 04:19 | <jm_> | JustSoul2: use dd |
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| 04:23 | <JustSoul2> | jm_: thx |
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| 04:24 | <jm_> | JustSoul2: simple hexeditor is biew or hexedit, but you can also use vim via xdd |
| 04:24 | <jm_> | uhm xxd, sorry |
| 04:24 | <jm_> | or any other hexeditor really |
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| 04:25 | <jm_> | text-editor ;) |
| 04:26 | <JustSoul2> | !grub |
| 04:26 | <dpkg> | somebody said grub was the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>. |
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| 04:31 | <apeitheo> | Does anyone know if the flac vulnerabilities were fixed in etch? https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/544656 |
| 04:32 | <apeitheo> | I checked the changelog for the flac package and it seems the last update was last year (Jan 2007), so does this affect stable? |
| 04:33 | <stew> | !tracker of doom |
| 04:33 | <dpkg> | [tracker of doom] a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 04:33 | <stew> | apeitheo: ^^ you should be able to lookup by the CVE id in the first url |
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| 04:36 | <apeitheo> | stew, ah, thanks; it seems it's fixed in lenny/sid but it hasn't been backported to etch yet.. have any idea when they'll do that? |
| 04:37 | <apeitheo> | etch is vulnerable in the meantime until they backport it, bah |
| 04:37 | <stew> | apeitheo: i don't know |
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| 04:44 | <rchenevez> | french |
| 04:45 | <stew> | !fr |
| 04:45 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:45 | <rchenevez> | unbuntu-fr |
| 04:46 | <@weasel> | rchenevez: you are wrong here. go away. |
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| 04:46 | <rchenevez> | yes yes yes |
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| 05:16 | <janee> | hello ne |
| 05:17 | <janee> | haiiiiii |
| 05:17 | <janee> | hiiii |
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| 05:29 | <Maulkin> | Quite |
| 05:30 | <@weasel> | quiet too |
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| 05:31 | <JasonS> | dont jinx it |
| 05:33 | <Maulkin> | weasel: are you still opped, or is my client being odd again? |
| 05:34 | <@weasel> | I am. |
| 05:34 | <Maulkin> | Ahh, ok :) |
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| 06:06 | <JustSoul2> | !Ø× |
| 06:06 | <JustSoul2> | !md |
| 06:06 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
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| 06:16 | <Nemoder> | bah, still no wxwidgets 2.8 for debian |
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| 06:29 | <caroline> | eu |
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| 06:30 | <caroline> | marinaldo e tiamo nofuito |
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| 06:39 | <twb> | !it |
| 06:39 | <dpkg> | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 06:40 | <twb> | I guess that was pt anyway, now I look at the first line; and she's gone anyway. |
| 06:40 | <twb> | Nemoder: file a bug? |
| 06:41 | <FelipeBare> | is there a solution for centralized update management of debian servers ? |
| 06:42 | <Nemoder> | twb: I looked at the mailing list archives, apparently it is some political thing, not sure I want to get involved.. |
| 06:42 | <jm_> | FelipeBare: cfengine and the likes maybe |
| 06:42 | <twb> | cfengine / puppet? |
| 06:42 | <themill> | FelipeBare: cron-apt, but you might like to have your own repo to test things then push them out |
| 06:43 | <twb> | Or perhaps you just want to run "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" on each host? If that's the case, you could use passphraseless ssh keys locked to a single command |
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| 06:43 | <meandtheshel1> | wow, me finally found a decent audio player (exaile) |
| 06:44 | <FelipeBare> | i'm thinking on a program that i can select what package to upgade for example. |
| 06:45 | <jm_> | update-notifier |
| 06:45 | <jm_> | there's also debsecan |
| 06:46 | <twb> | FelipeBare: you have a custer of homogeneous servers? |
| 06:46 | <Maulkin> | Also see sclusterssh |
| 06:46 | <Maulkin> | erm... clusterssh |
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| 06:47 | <FelipeBare> | no i dont. |
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| 06:51 | <FelipeBare> | thanks for all |
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| 07:03 | <Baggy> | I just added a new path in /etc/profile, after a reboot I am having trouble logging in. I am prompted with "GDM could not write to your authorization file. This could mean that you are out of disk space or that you home directory could not be opened for writing...". Could the reason for this message be me editing the profile, or am I out of disk space? How do I fix it? |
| 07:04 | <petemc> | ctl alt f1 |
| 07:04 | <petemc> | log in, df -h |
| 07:04 | <jm_> | you're probably having issues with ~/.Xauthority or somesuch |
| 07:04 | <jm_> | or whatever gdm sets up for it |
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| 07:08 | <Baggy> | Thanks, I'm out of disk space.. which sux.. how in the world did I manage that.. |
| 07:08 | <jm_> | porn? |
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| 07:09 | <Baggy> | *lol* nope, no music, movies, games or anything like.. just programs and code.. |
| 07:09 | <twb> | Baggy: baobab/filelight is your friend. |
| 07:10 | <Tarcas> | Baggy, see if there are any huge logs in /var/log, and then you might clear out some home directories. |
| 07:10 | <twb> | Probably a runaway /var/log |
| 07:10 | <twb> | User quoats ftw |
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| 07:10 | <twb> | *quotas |
| 07:10 | <Tarcas> | quoats or quotas? ;-) |
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| 07:12 | <twb> | "Sorry, boss, I cannot accept more users on my system, we're over quota as it is. Union rules. >breaks out shotgun<" |
| 07:12 | <Baggy> | how much free spave do I need to log back in? |
| 07:12 | <Baggy> | spave=space |
| 07:13 | <twb> | Theoretically, 0. |
| 07:13 | <Tarcas> | Baggy, shouldn't be much to log in. Just enough to log the login. |
| 07:14 | <jm_> | and several temp. files |
| 07:15 | <jm_> | also check ~/.xsession-errors and its size |
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| 07:16 | <twb> | Bah, X. |
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| 07:17 | <slapaf> | how do I enable a2ensite for a group X ? I've set permissions and it works with full path /usr/sbin/a2ensite |
| 07:18 | <Baggy> | jm: it doesn't exist |
| 07:18 | <jm_> | slapaf: users don't have /usr/sbin in their PATH, that's most likely your problem |
| 07:18 | <slapaf> | oh |
| 07:18 | <slapaf> | how do i give em that? |
| 07:18 | <slapaf> | where is path set for a user? |
| 07:18 | <jm_> | !path |
| 07:18 | <dpkg> | methinks path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 07:19 | <jm_> | also login.defs |
| 07:19 | <slapaf> | wicked, i'll have a look at that |
| 07:19 | <slapaf> | thx jm_ |
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| 07:25 | <Dr_O> | Hi... press-release for debian 4.0r2 says that there are updated floppy and netboot images. However I cannot find them... any help appreciated! |
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| 07:29 | <Dr_O> | particularly looking for netboot.tar.gz |
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| 07:29 | <Kebianizao|work> | Hello |
| 07:30 | <slapaf> | jm_: I added PATH=/usr/sbin:"${PATH}" |
| 07:30 | <slapaf> | but i still doesnt work...any idea of what im doing wrong? |
| 07:30 | <Kebianizao|work> | I'm using valgrind but I have the impression that the suppressions are not working very well: http://paste.debian.net/46491 |
| 07:31 | <jm_> | slapaf: echo $PATH to see its value - where did you add it? |
| 07:31 | <Kebianizao|work> | shouldn't all that errors coming from libc6 suppressed? |
| 07:31 | <slapaf> | in /home/user/.bash_profile |
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| 07:31 | <slapaf> | its not shown in echo $PATh |
| 07:32 | <jm_> | !bashrc |
| 07:32 | <dpkg> | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
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| 07:32 | <jm_> | slapaf: bash_profile is only read for login shells |
| 07:32 | <jm_> | see above |
| 07:32 | <slapaf> | oh |
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| 07:34 | * | tont hello to all |
| 07:34 | <twb> | If you're a dirty ol' man like me you could set up xterm and scren to always create login shells by default |
| 07:34 | <twb> | *screen |
| 07:35 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: are you actually using lic6-dbg? |
| 07:35 | <slapaf> | ah..that helped |
| 07:35 | <slapaf> | works now, thx jm |
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| 07:36 | <JustSoul2> | debian installed on md0 [raid1 sda1(active, bootable)+sdb1], sda crashed, but machine still working. Hotplug is not recomended. I have first 44Kb of sda. On VM I try to simulate situation but system doesn't boot from new sda (with 44Kb) and of course from sdb.. |
| 07:37 | <JustSoul2> | I think it's time to search for new job.. |
| 07:38 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: yep |
| 07:38 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: it says it's 2.7 - and where do you see libc errors? |
| 07:39 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: lemme check about libc versions |
| 07:39 | <tont> | How do I enable acpi? If I go on klaptop and then on the power control tab say you may need to enable ACPI suspend/resume in the ACPI panel |
| 07:39 | <jm_> | tont: load kernel modules for it |
| 07:40 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: libc6 and libc6-dbg are 2.7-5, latest sid |
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| 07:41 | <Baggy> | Any more tips regarding my login problem? I've tried deleting stuff, but with no results. The .Xauthority file is null bytes in size.. What in the world could be causing something like this? |
| 07:41 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: and the errors I refer are at lines 351, 375 .. |
| 07:41 | <twb> | JustSoul2: first of all, what bootloader are you using? |
| 07:41 | <JustSoul2> | grub |
| 07:41 | <jm_> | Baggy: do you see some free space now? |
| 07:41 | <jm_> | Baggy: remove .Xauthority file |
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| 07:41 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: but that's not a libc error and it's not mentioned in debian-libc6-dbg.supp |
| 07:42 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: don't you thind those kind of messages should be suppressed? |
| 07:43 | <tont> | Jm_: is loaded ... lsmod | grep acpi: |
| 07:43 | <tont> | acpi_cpufreq 9096 0 |
| 07:43 | <tont> | freq_table 4512 3 acpi_cpufreq,cpufreq_ondemand,cpufreq_stats |
| 07:43 | <tont> | processor 31176 2 acpi_cpufreq,thermal |
| 07:43 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: nope |
| 07:43 | <twb> | jm_: grub legacy doesn't support RAID1, except via a Dirty Hack which makes it just use one of the nodes as if it wasn't RAIDed. |
| 07:43 | <jm_> | tont: check /proc/acpi - you should see various files in there |
| 07:44 | <twb> | Er, md RAID1, I mean. |
| 07:44 | <Baggy> | jm_: it seems that no matter how much I delete, "df" prints 0 bytes Available.. |
| 07:44 | <jm_> | JustSoul2: see above starting with "jm: grub ..." |
| 07:44 | <twb> | tont: is acpid installed and running? |
| 07:44 | <jm_> | Baggy: how big are the files you are deleting? |
| 07:44 | <azeem> | Baggy: it's probably the root quota regime you're in |
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| 07:45 | <azeem> | Baggy: see whether the Used count goes dow |
| 07:45 | <azeem> | n |
| 07:45 | <twb> | Baggy: make sure you're calling df on the right filesystem |
| 07:45 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: this is the whole vg log (520kB) http://perso.orange.es/rasasi78/kontact1, what about the error on line 537? |
| 07:46 | <tont> | twb: yes.. |
| 07:46 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: hmm can't access that URL here |
| 07:46 | <tont> | root 2887 0.0 0.1 2372 1268 ? Ss 12:00 0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket |
| 07:46 | <azeem> | jm_: without the , |
| 07:46 | <tont> | 105 3280 0.0 0.0 2220 948 ? S 12:00 0:00 hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket |
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| 07:46 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: sorry, http://perso.orange.es/rasasi78/kontact1 |
| 07:46 | <jm_> | azeem: yup, tried that too |
| 07:46 | <Kebianizao|work> | thanks azeem |
| 07:46 | <azeem> | WFM |
| 07:47 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: yeah it's probably me, I'm at work |
| 07:47 | <JustSoul2> | twb ?? but how I install virtual debian on md0 with 2 disks? |
| 07:47 | <JustSoul2> | jm_: sory, where? |
| 07:47 | <jm_> | JustSoul2: what twb said to me about grub ;) |
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| 07:47 | <twb> | jm_: oops, sorry. |
| 07:48 | <JustSoul2> | hm.. |
| 07:48 | <twb> | I'm on a VEEEERY slow tty |
| 07:48 | <twb> | I can't see what I'm typing. |
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| 07:49 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: :/ I think the problem is that libc-2.7 supps are not used by default |
| 07:49 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: naah, you can check .supp files - they are text files |
| 07:50 | <JustSoul2> | twb, jm_: mb I don't correctly explain my soft/hardware? |
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| 07:50 | <Kebianizao|work> | looks like only /usr/lib/valgrind/debian-libc6-dbg.supp and /usr/lib/valgrind/default.supp are being used |
| 07:51 | <slapaf> | JustSoul2: what kernel are you using ? |
| 07:52 | <JustSoul2> | slapaf: 2.6.20.1-1 |
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| 07:53 | <slapaf> | i had problems getting Testing to boot on VM |
| 07:53 | <Kebianizao|work> | nah, the suppressions I needed are not described anywhere |
| 07:53 | <slapaf> | had to abandone it since it required some serious changes |
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| 07:54 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: but the one on line 351 is not libc error |
| 07:55 | <slapaf> | JustSoul: im pretty new to debian but i found that something changed around 2.6.20/22 |
| 07:55 | <slapaf> | about the sda1 |
| 07:55 | <slapaf> | boot-thingy |
| 07:55 | <jm_> | trust me, those have been added to default suppressions long time ago (back then valgrind had a switch to skip them) |
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| 07:58 | <blubberdiblub> | moin |
| 07:58 | <blubberdiblub> | sorry, wrong window |
| 07:58 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: ok, but where could the problem be then? |
| 07:58 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: in the application/libraries |
| 08:00 | <Kebianizao|work> | what about the on in the line374, this is defined in default.supp: http://paste.debian.net/46493 |
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| 08:01 | <Kebianizao|work> | I would say they would match |
| 08:02 | <Kebianizao|work> | if you are curious that supp is on line 595 on default.supp |
| 08:03 | <jm_> | doesn't quite match mine I think |
| 08:04 | <JustSoul2> | Debian installed on software md0 [raid1 sda1(bootable, grub)+sdb1(not bootable), mirror], sda crashed, machine still working on sdb1. I have new sd, but hotplug is not recomended. I have 44KB data of old sda. Iif I just copy them to new sd, system will not boot (test on VM). |
| 08:04 | <Kebianizao|work> | valgrind 3.3.0-1 here |
| 08:04 | <jm_> | yeah I use Etch, so it's a bit different |
| 08:04 | <Kebianizao|work> | :) |
| 08:05 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: but according to my (very limited) knowledge it's not exact match and that's why it's reported |
| 08:05 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: I wish there were a VG irc channel |
| 08:05 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: might be worth checking it out with maintainers |
| 08:06 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: ok, I think I should go to somewhere more VG centric, I think I'm asking too much from you ;) |
| 08:06 | <Kebianizao|work> | you can't know everything |
| 08:06 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: or ask on valgrind-users |
| 08:07 | <Kebianizao|work> | jm_: doesn't exists :( |
| 08:07 | <Kebianizao|work> | s/exists/exist/ |
| 08:07 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: it does |
| 08:08 | <jm_> | Kebianizao|work: I am talking about mailing list btw, or maybe check if there's #valgrind here or on freenode |
| 08:08 | <Kebianizao|work> | oh, do you meean the ML? |
| 08:08 | <Kebianizao|work> | right |
| 08:08 | <Kebianizao|work> | not much lucky with IRC, I'll go to the ML then |
| 08:08 | <Kebianizao|work> | thanks a lot, jm_ |
| 08:09 | <Kebianizao|work> | ->lunch |
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| 08:10 | <jeremiah> | When I run apt-get upgrade in lenny/sid, it says it is holding some packages back. |
| 08:10 | <jeremiah> | Why? |
| 08:11 | <jm_> | !held back |
| 08:11 | <dpkg> | it has been said that kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
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| 08:11 | <jeremiah> | Thanks jm_ |
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| 08:13 | <jeremiah> | But one really doesn't do a 'dist-upgrade' under lenny/sid does one? |
| 08:13 | <jm_> | you can |
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| 08:14 | <themill> | jeremiah: to get aptitude/apt-get to install/remove packages to meet new dependencies, you have to tell it to do a dist-upgrade not just an upgrade. |
| 08:15 | <jeremiah> | But what kind of upgrade is occurring? I thought I was just getting the newest of the new, not upgrading to a new version. I am obviously confused here. |
| 08:15 | <jm_> | because dist-upgrade is less strict |
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| 08:15 | <jm_> | you would yes |
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| 08:17 | <jeremiah> | I thought that when you run unstable (i.e. lenny/sid) you are running from a repository of debs which have just come from 'experimental' |
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| 08:17 | <jm_> | it doesn't matter, you can still run dist-upgrade |
| 08:17 | <jeremiah> | Those packages in 'experimental' are there for a sort of smoke test for about ten days, then the slither into lenny/sid |
| 08:17 | <jm_> | !dist-upgrade |
| 08:17 | <dpkg> | dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch> |
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| 08:18 | <jeremiah> | So dist-upgrade is used to install packages which introduce significant changes to the overall system? |
| 08:18 | <twb> | jeremiah: AIUI experimental packages do not auto-migrate to Sid (unlike unstable->testing) |
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| 08:19 | <themill> | jeremiah: you're understanding of experimental/unstable/testing/stable is wrong. |
| 08:19 | <jeremiah> | twb: ah, okay. |
| 08:19 | <themill> | s/you're/your/ |
| 08:19 | <jeremiah> | themill: I see, I thought that might be the case. :) |
| 08:19 | <twb> | In general, you run Stable for mission critical systems, Testing for workstations that you don't care about, and Unstable if you know what you're doing. |
| 08:19 | <themill> | dpkg: dist-upgrade is also <etch->lenny> |
| 08:19 | <dpkg> | okay, themill |
| 08:19 | <slapaf> | justsoul2: VM has problems booting 2.6.19+ , think it has something to do with change from /dev/hda to /dev/sda, but i could be wrong |
| 08:20 | <twb> | slapaf: VM as in VMware? |
| 08:20 | <jm_> | slapaf: that sounds like libata driver being used instead of old pata driver - not very hard to fix |
| 08:20 | <slapaf> | twb: yes VMware |
| 08:20 | <twb> | I'm running 2.6.22-3-amd64 on VMware right now |
| 08:20 | <themill> | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 08:20 | <dpkg> | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 08:21 | <jeremiah> | twb: Well I like to think I know what I am doing, but mostly I use unstable in a chroot to do packaging. |
| 08:21 | <slapaf> | jm: ok, when i tried it failed, but guess i didnt try hard enough :) |
| 08:21 | <twb> | jeremiah: cowbuilder is your friend |
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| 08:21 | <themill> | twb: when it's not broken :( |
| 08:21 | <twb> | :-) |
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| 08:22 | <JustSoul2> | slapaf: problem is not in VM, I have real server with real problem |
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| 08:22 | <slapaf> | twb: ok, did you just do the changes themill just showed ? |
| 08:22 | <jm_> | JustSoul2: but copying just 44k of your disk will not make it bootable |
| 08:22 | <themill> | twb: last I looked, the etch cowdancer could no longer work with a sid chroot.... a backported cowdancer solved that though. |
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| 08:23 | <slapaf> | justsoul2: ok, thought you were asking bout boot problem on VM |
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| 08:23 | <twb> | themill: bleh, I haven't used Etch in years for building packages |
| 08:23 | <kurumin> | hello |
| 08:23 | <matteo> | hello |
| 08:23 | <matteo> | how are you? |
| 08:23 | <dpkg> | peachy, matteo |
| 08:24 | <JustSoul2> | jm_: now i know it. slapaf: VM I use only for testing |
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| 08:24 | <twb> | slapaf: I think he's trying to say that he has a degraded md RAID1 array of two nodes, and that he only has GRUB installed on the first HDD, which is the one with the degraded node. |
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| 08:24 | <themill> | twb: well, etch is on my desktop machine with a sid-cowbuilder. But that relies on etch's cowdancer... |
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| 08:24 | <matteo> | where do you live? |
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| 08:24 | <twb> | themill: I don't have the patience to run Etch on my workstations. |
| 08:24 | <twb> | mankod: just the facts, ma'am. |
| 08:24 | <twb> | Oops, bad completion. |
| 08:25 | <twb> | Stupid matteo. |
| 08:25 | <themill> | twb: ? I don't have the patience to deal with a moving target... |
| 08:26 | <twb> | Yes, but when I run Etch I'm continually made aware of all the bugs that have been fixed since the release. |
| 08:26 | <themill> | twb: ahh yes... I do have quite a bit from backports on my laptop ;) |
| 08:26 | <twb> | Yeah, that's what I mean |
| 08:26 | <twb> | I end up backporting all the apps I run |
| 08:27 | <twb> | And I didn't used to know about backports.org, so I was backporting by hand using apt-get -b source |
| 08:27 | <themill> | twb: if it's not on backports.org I probably don't care... (except cowdancer which was a trivial backport) |
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| 08:30 | <jeremiah> | twb: I have very few problems with unstable, what do you need patience for with Etch? |
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| 08:31 | <lans> | #hellas |
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| 08:32 | <twb> | jeremiah: well, I run unstable on my home machine because I know what I'm doing. |
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| 08:32 | <twb> | At work I run testing on my workstation because ICBF fixing e.g. bootloader hijinks when I'm, y'know, working. |
| 08:33 | <jm_> | heh I have my workstation always on, would not run into such issues |
| 08:33 | <jeremiah> | At work we _have_ to use SuSE. Ugh. |
| 08:33 | <twb> | jeremiah: steal deploy! |
| 08:33 | <twb> | *stealth |
| 08:34 | <themill> | chroot.... :) |
| 08:34 | <twb> | chroot doesn't fix kernel stupidity |
| 08:34 | <jeremiah> | Yeah, I am trying. But there are masses of clearcase stuff that gets borked without the SuSE patches. |
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| 08:34 | <twb> | Ew, clearcase |
| 08:35 | <jeremiah> | I know but it is everywhere. |
| 08:35 | <themill> | there's not too much different between most distro kernels these days. Not like there was under the 2.4 kernels |
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| 08:35 | <jeremiah> | People love clearcase for some strange reason. It is more powerful than CVS and SVN but so what? |
| 08:35 | <jm_> | I simply use clearcase on our solaris/hp-ux machines, linux version was utter crap last time I tried it |
| 08:35 | <twb> | jeremiah: yes, but CVS and SVN are shit |
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| 08:36 | <twb> | darcs, git, hg |
| 08:36 | <jeremiah> | SVN is okay, git is overkill for stuff like perl |
| 08:36 | <jeremiah> | I use git a lot, and I like it, but SVN is just fine for perl scripts and modules. |
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| 08:38 | <neosix> | Hello! I have strange problem with openoffice writer. When I try to highlite some words, popup menu wan't disappear anymore. It is very annoying. What is the problem? |
| 08:40 | <twb> | I have had that problem with oo.org for years |
| 08:40 | <twb> | It seems to assume NETWM |
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| 08:41 | <twb> | And that e.g. stupid popup toolbars will be placed where it requests them to be placed |
| 08:41 | <twb> | Solution: LaTeX! |
| 08:41 | <SpeedyG> | hi, anyone here know of a good screen-capture kinda program that can also capture audio ? (I need to rip some site's movie but cant find a filename anywhere.. ) |
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| 08:42 | <twb> | SpeedyG: um, that would be stupid |
| 08:42 | <phoohb> | SpeedyG: Mplayer can also play streams and flash.. |
| 08:42 | <jm_> | SpeedyG: flash movie or so? |
| 08:42 | <jm_> | there are lots of tools to download those |
| 08:42 | <twb> | SpeedyG: you should dump the incoming streams before demuxing and decoding them, to avoid lossage. |
| 08:42 | <neosix> | twb: thanks man! |
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| 08:43 | <SpeedyG> | asf-movie |
| 08:44 | <phoohb> | SpeedyG: asdf movie?? |
| 08:44 | <SpeedyG> | yes, asf-stream thingy |
| 08:44 | <phoohb> | why not call it 1234 or qwer? |
| 08:44 | <neosix> | twb: I downloaded tonight texmacs, but fonts are blur |
| 08:44 | <jm_> | use mplayer to dump the stream to disk |
| 08:45 | <neosix> | (yesterday- not tonight :) ) |
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| 08:46 | <twb> | ASDF is a package management system for Common Lisp. |
| 08:46 | <SpeedyG> | asf is mickeysofts streaming stuff iirc |
| 08:46 | <twb> | Sounds about right. |
| 08:47 | <jm_> | aka Advanced Streaming Format |
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| 08:55 | <JustSoul2> | Good evening. good bye. |
| 08:55 | <JustSoul2> | .nick JustSoul_away |
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| 09:11 | <padski> | I have a machine with "Your current time zone is set to Unknown" |
| 09:11 | <padski> | where is the setting ? |
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| 09:12 | <jm_> | /etc/localtime IIRC |
| 09:13 | <twb> | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 09:13 | <jm_> | or tzconfig |
| 09:13 | <twb> | Yup |
| 09:13 | <padski> | yes, thanks |
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| 09:15 | <padski> | msg dpkg timezone |
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| 09:15 | <padski> | oops :-) |
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| 09:31 | <Baggy> | Back, had to run n take care of something. When I delete something the number of used bytes decreases, but the amount of available space is still zero :( Is this a linux virus or something? |
| 09:32 | <jm_> | Baggy: no, reserved block count stuff |
| 09:33 | <Baggy> | jm_: what might be the cause? and how can it be fixed? |
| 09:33 | <jm_> | Baggy: dumpe2fs to find current value, tune2fs to modify it |
| 09:33 | <jm_> | default is 5% of fs size |
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| 09:34 | <jm_> | Baggy: but it still means your fs is > 95% full |
| 09:34 | <Dr_O> | Did debian 4.0r2 (etch update 2) release a new netboot.tar.gz? if so where can I find it? I have looked in the normal place on the mirrors and it still seems to be the 4.0r1 netboot.tar.gz. The press release leads me to believe there is a new netboot.tar.gz but I can't find it! Any ideas? |
| 09:35 | <twb> | Dr_O: you could try ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 09:36 | <Dr_O> | twb: date stamp 15/06/2007 (i'm i386... but same result) |
| 09:36 | <twb> | Yeah |
| 09:36 | <Dr_O> | 4.0r2 was released 2007-12-27 |
| 09:36 | <twb> | So I guess unless #d-b gives you different info, there's no new netboot.tgz (yet) |
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| 09:37 | <padski> | why would I see "init: Trying to re-exec init" |
| 09:38 | <Dr_O> | twb: strange... thanks! |
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| 09:38 | <twb> | padski: I get that all the time |
| 09:38 | <padski> | twb: why ? |
| 09:39 | <twb> | padski: I think it's to do with upgrading something exciting line sysvinit |
| 09:40 | <padski> | twb: ah! thanks. looks like libc in this case. |
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| 09:51 | <Baggy> | jm_: I don't have any of the tools you mentioned :( do you think it will help to do a fsck? |
| 09:53 | <azeem> | Baggy: /sbin/tune2fs -l /dev/foo |
| 09:55 | <twb> | Rather than telling Baggy to unreserve root blocks, why not have him actually find out what's using all the space, then delete it? |
| 09:57 | <Baggy> | twb: the problem is that even though I delete stuff, freeing up disk space, that free space is not detected as free |
| 09:57 | <Baggy> | or available.. |
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| 09:58 | <Baggy> | azeem: thanks |
| 09:58 | <twb> | Baggy: and these files you're deleting are owned by root? |
| 09:58 | <Usuario> | hello, a question, it is possible to install linux from a sd card? |
| 09:58 | <twb> | Usuario: it's possible to install Debian using a USB key. That's a USB mass-storage device; I don't know how you're connecting to a SD card. |
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| 09:59 | <Baggy> | twb: they have to be owned by root? |
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| 10:00 | <twb> | Baggy: if the files you're deleting are NOT owned by root, then the reserved blocks issue is totally irrelevant |
| 10:00 | <Usuario> | twb: i have a eeepc and want to change its OS. The only removable store i have i a sd card. |
| 10:00 | <Kebianizao|work> | Usuario: the problem will be booting with it, but if possible, there shouldn't be any problem |
| 10:00 | <twb> | Baggy: please pastebin the output of `dh -h' |
| 10:01 | <twb> | http://slofith.org/projects/eeepc/ |
| 10:01 | <Usuario> | just copying a netinst cd iso to my sd card is enough ? |
| 10:01 | <twb> | Usuario: no, silly |
| 10:02 | <twb> | ISO images are for CD-ROMs. They don't contain a USB bootloader |
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| 10:02 | <twb> | Usuario: read the documentation in the installation-guide-amd64 package (also available on debian.org somewhere obvious) |
| 10:03 | <Usuario> | twb: Thanks! |
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| 10:09 | <Baggy> | twb: Thanks, that cleared things up =) it's working now. I need to do some reading about the linux filesystem, though.. |
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| 10:10 | <Baggy> | azeem & jm_: Thanks =) |
| 10:10 | <twb> | Baggy: uh, what? |
| 10:10 | <twb> | 02:00 <twb> Baggy: please pastebin the output of `dh -h' |
| 10:10 | <twb> | Baggy: I'm still waiting for that |
| 10:11 | <Baggy> | twb: I now got 1,4GB disk space available =) |
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| 10:15 | <Baggy2> | twb: http://www.irc.pastebin.org/14695 |
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| 10:15 | <twb> | Baggy2: now try `du -x --max-depth 3 / | sort -n' |
| 10:16 | <twb> | ...or variations thereof. It will take a while to run. |
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| 10:17 | <twb> | Baggy2: if you have X running, you can also try `baobab' or `filelight', which are MUCH easier to interpret. |
| 10:19 | <Baggy> | twb: what a great tool! I had no idea |
| 10:19 | <twb> | Ya, it is the big win. |
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| 10:23 | <Baggy> | twb: if I run chown on certain folders so that they are owned by an ordinary user, that will make more space "available" for root right? |
| 10:23 | <twb> | Baggy: noooooo |
| 10:23 | <twb> | Baggy: that would be Very Dumb |
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| 10:26 | <Baggy> | twb: well, that depends on the folders, right? say someone extracting something as root by "accident".. it will work with chown in theory? |
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| 10:27 | <themill> | Baggy, no, that won't work. Root is not subject to the 5% reserved blocks restriction; chowning files can't make more space available to root. |
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| 10:27 | <twb> | Baggy: ext3 by default reserves 5% of the disk for root. This *only* applies to ext3 filesystems. |
| 10:28 | <themill> | and ext2 |
| 10:28 | <themill> | :) |
| 10:28 | <twb> | The idea is that if /home is on the same filesystem as /, dumb users can't fill up /home and prevent logins and logging and reboots and suchlike |
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| 10:28 | <twb> | If the other 95% is full, you probably won't even be allowed to chown root-owned files to a non-root user. |
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| 10:29 | <CrazyZ> | which is the first Linux kernel witch the tcp/ip stack? |
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| 10:31 | <Baggy> | Thanks guys, I was not aware of this. |
| 10:31 | <Dr_O> | Baggy: I think the reserved blosks thing is a bit of a red-herring in your case: though worth understanding in the long run. Your problem seemed to be that as root you deleted files and still have a full disk. This means either something is filling the disk up fast... a rogue log file or the like... or that the files you have deleted are still being accessed (open file handles in a running process). If it is the second case (open file handle) then the |
| 10:31 | <Dr_O> | deleted file will not free up space on disk untill the runnign process closes the file. |
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| 10:33 | <Coala> | oi |
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| 10:35 | <twb> | Dr_O: good point |
| 10:35 | * | Dr_O has been bitten by open file handles before! |
| 10:36 | <Baggy> | Interesting :) |
| 10:37 | <twb> | Having said that, inode semantics are MUUUUCH better than the way Windows does it |
| 10:38 | <twb> | That is, locking files instead of inodes, so you can't upgrade system files without a whole reboot/rename dance |
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| 10:40 | <Dr_O> | Baggy: as twb suggested I'd find out where large files are and try deleting them. If that does not free up space.. or it is eaten up then you need to use some other tools to find what is eating the space, tools like: "find" with argments to show you what has changed in the last few mins. |
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| 10:40 | <Dr_O> | Also "lsof" may help you find open file handles. |
| 10:40 | <twb> | Hell, he could even just reboot |
| 10:41 | <twb> | That'd blow away ALL stale inodes |
| 10:41 | <themill> | !reboot |
| 10:41 | <dpkg> | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 10:41 | <themill> | where's the fun in rebooting? |
| 10:41 | <twb> | It's easier than explaining invoke-rc.d |
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| 10:42 | <Dr_O> | A reboot would close file handles... but won't find the source of the problem... depends on local conditions: do you want a quick fix or to understand the problem? |
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| 10:43 | <twb> | Dr_O: good point again |
| 10:43 | <twb> | If the problem is chronic rather than acute, the reboot will merely relieve immediate symptoms |
| 10:43 | <Dr_O> | themill: the fun is seeing if your bootloader still works after a 200 day up time and 3 grub updates! |
| 10:44 | <themill> | heh... |
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| 10:44 | * | Dr_O still slightly prefers LILO but aknowledges he is a freak! |
| 10:44 | <twb> | I use grub2 on md raid on lvm. Every reboot is like that |
| 10:45 | <twb> | Because a separate /boot partition outside of LVM is aesthetically nauseasting |
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| 10:47 | <Dr_O> | twb: you are a sukker for punishment! |
| 10:47 | <ruby> | hay |
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| 10:50 | <Dr_O> | ruby: dried grass |
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| 10:51 | <stew> | twb: grub2 can have /boot on lvm? interesting |
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| 10:53 | <Dr_O> | stew: I think it has to be a simple linear LV though. I read a bit about it but never sounded usefull enough to experiment! |
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| 10:57 | <niwt> | how can I keep network messages out of the system log and in their own logfile? |
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| 10:59 | <stew> | niwt: which messages? |
| 10:59 | <niwt> | connect attempts from a stupid XP box |
| 10:59 | <stew> | niwt: can you give an example? |
| 10:59 | <niwt> | and also from firewall (arno) |
| 10:59 | <niwt> | hang on |
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| 11:00 | <stew> | niwt: for firewall the best you can do is to change the syslog logging level, or maybe use ULOG, but ULOG would be an undertaking |
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| 11:02 | <stew> | niwt: or, you could switch to syslog-ng, which would let your filter the messages based on who is generating them, not just by facility and level |
| 11:02 | <niwt> | Jan 9 07:39:00 localhost kernel: Connection attempt (PRIV): IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:blahblah SRC=192.168.blah DST=192.168.blah LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=3286 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=58 |
| 11:02 | <niwt> | that's the sanitized version - I'm probably too paranoid |
| 11:02 | <niwt> | oh, that sounds good |
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| 11:02 | <stew> | niwt: you probably want syslog-ng |
| 11:03 | <@weasel> | well, stop using the LOG target in netfilter |
| 11:03 | <@weasel> | use ULOG and install ulogd |
| 11:03 | <@weasel> | also, get a real hostname |
| 11:03 | <niwt> | lol |
| 11:03 | <niwt> | why real hostname? |
| 11:03 | <@weasel> | do you don't look like a total idiot? :) |
| 11:04 | <niwt> | I like the name "debian" |
| 11:04 | <niwt> | remiinds me which linux I'm running |
| 11:05 | <niwt> | if I install syslog-ng, should I uninstall syslogd at the same time? |
| 11:06 | <Dr_O> | niwt: aptitude should do that for you! |
| 11:07 | <niwt> | thanks |
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| 11:17 | <FullMon-T> | I need help with my IRC client. |
| 11:18 | <twb> | !help |
| 11:19 | <themill> | !ask |
| 11:19 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:36 | <pleb2> | Hi all |
| 11:36 | <pleb2> | what program can i use to capture audio from my soundcards line in, into an MP3 file??? |
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| 11:36 | <pleb2> | we recorded a speaker at a conference on a minidisk player , with permission |
| 11:36 | <pleb2> | and we need it transfered to digital format |
| 11:36 | <makke> | audacity + lame is very popular |
| 11:37 | <[Shadow`]> | yes audacity |
| 11:37 | <pleb2> | does audacity have support for lame built in?? i may have lame already as a result of kino |
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| 11:38 | <pleb2> | oki i'll try run audacity thanks guys! |
| 11:38 | <FullMon-T> | I am having issue getting my irc bouncer configured. |
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| 11:39 | <JasonS> | FullMon-T: try asking in your clients irc channel? |
| 11:39 | <@weasel> | bouncers are horribly anyway |
| 11:39 | <FullMon-T> | JasonS: Nobody is in #Konversation |
| 11:40 | <JasonS> | now theres a hint heh, try on freenode? |
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| 11:40 | <@weasel> | why not get a real client and run it in screen? |
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| 11:40 | <albertosapiens> | hola |
| 11:40 | <FullMon-T> | weasel: any suggestions? |
| 11:40 | <@weasel> | irssi. |
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| 11:41 | <Jadestorm> | hi folk, is this a good spot to ask some questions about package development or is there a more appropriate place? (I've already built a package, but i'm running into an issue that i'd like to ask about) |
| 11:41 | <user> | hi |
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| 11:41 | <FullMon-T> | JasonS: Nobody in freenode's #Konversation is being very helpful. Everybody is at work. |
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| 11:41 | <themill> | Jadestorm: #debian-java for your java stuff or #debian-mentors for more general questions |
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| 11:41 | <FullMon-T> | weasel: how does it work? |
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| 11:41 | <@weasel> | quite well |
| 11:41 | <@weasel> | thanks for asking |
| 11:41 | <Jadestorm> | thanks themill ;D this one isn't particularly java related like the last stuff, i'll hit up debian-java thanks! |
| 11:41 | <Jadestorm> | er |
| 11:41 | <Jadestorm> | debian-mentors |
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| 11:42 | <albertosapiens> | helo |
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| 11:42 | <FullMon-T> | weasel: and it has anonymizing capabilities? |
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| 11:42 | <@weasel> | FullMon-T: erm, what? |
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| 11:42 | <@weasel> | this is irc, not a strip club |
| 11:43 | <@weasel> | !greet albertosapiens |
| 11:43 | <dpkg> | Tag, albertosapiens |
| 11:43 | <JasonS> | weasel: its not a strip club? :( |
| 11:43 | <@weasel> | JasonS: no, sorry to disappoint you. tho mikegrb might be able to help out |
| 11:43 | <FullMon-T> | weasel: can I proxy the shiit out of it? |
| 11:43 | <@weasel> | you? no. |
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| 11:44 | <FullMon-T> | ??? |
| 11:44 | <@Ganneff> | its an irc client, not a proxy. |
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| 11:45 | <danf_1979> | Hi guys, where can I found the file to make XDM start with XFCE? I had a problem with KDE4, so I have no window manager right now. XFCE is installed, but XDM starts with KDE4 automatically |
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| 11:45 | <FullMon-T> | weasel: So then, If I use irssi and configure it with bip, would I have an anonymous connection? |
| 11:45 | <JasonS> | FullMon-T: no one cares what you do on irc |
| 11:46 | <FullMon-T> | JasonS: I do. |
| 11:46 | <@weasel> | also, I don't know what bibp is |
| 11:46 | <@weasel> | chances are it's something that nobody here wants anything to do with |
| 11:46 | <JasonS> | heh, paranoia will destroy ya or something like that, i used to run it through a bouncer when i was young and foolish and had time to kill |
| 11:48 | <@weasel> | FullMon-T: irc proxies are silly |
| 11:48 | <@weasel> | and people using them most often either don't know what they are doing or are stupid, abusing script kids |
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| 11:51 | * | mikegrb looks around |
| 11:51 | <FullMon-T> | weasel: I have higher ambitions that being an abusive script kiddie. |
| 11:52 | <JasonS> | FullMon-T: doesnt make teh irc proxies any less silly FullMon-T |
| 11:52 | <JasonS> | higher ambitions? |
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| 11:53 | <FullMon-T> | If I wanted to be hated, i WOULD BECOME AN OPS... |
| 11:53 | <FullMon-T> | Sorry, caps. |
| 11:53 | <FullMon-T> | you know, kick someone, and then they hate you. Or tell someone to calm down, then they hate you... |
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| 11:55 | <FullMon-T> | people hate script kiddies just because they're so damn obnoxious, and arorgant... I say being an ops would get you on a lot more shit-lists than being an idiot kiddie. |
| 11:55 | <FullMon-T> | *arrogant. |
| 11:56 | <@Ganneff> | now. topic is debian. so please rant elsewhere (like #moocows) and come back to topic. |
| 11:56 | <@weasel> | or just go and die |
| 11:56 | <@weasel> | HAND |
| 11:56 | <FullMon-T> | what is moocows? |
| 11:56 | <@Ganneff> | go away, you small little luser, kthxbye!!1 |
| 11:56 | <@Ganneff> | a channel. |
| 11:57 | <FullMon-T> | could you guys atleast point me in a direction that would help me with iirc? |
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| 12:00 | <stew> | Ganneff: if you feel that things have degraded to the point where you are going to start calling someone names, can't you just remove them from the channel instead? |
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| 12:01 | <@Ganneff> | stew: you now what a joke is? it was simply a reply to his "shit-list" bla... |
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| 12:01 | <stew> | Ganneff: i know what a joke is. you were not appearing to be joking |
| 12:02 | <@Ganneff> | !!1 |
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| 12:04 | <Guest2614> | anybody have super cow powers? |
| 12:05 | <FullMon-T> | Well that's on topic. |
| 12:05 | <themill> | !moo |
| 12:05 | <dpkg> | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 12:05 | <FullMon-T> | Guest2614: #moocows |
| 12:05 | * | weasel raises an eyebrow |
| 12:05 | <Guest2614> | er...dont know if I can apt get w/ knoppix live dvd |
| 12:06 | <JasonS> | Guest2614: wrong channel |
| 12:06 | <azeem> | Guest2614: please ask #knoppix on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | lol |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | k |
| 12:06 | <@weasel> | he didn't even ask anything yet |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | hey man knoppix defaulted to this clannel |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | besides knoppix is debian |
| 12:06 | <@weasel> | that's because whoever made it is an idiot |
| 12:06 | <@weasel> | no, it's not. |
| 12:06 | <JasonS> | Guest2614: actually its not |
| 12:06 | <themill> | !knoppix |
| 12:06 | <dpkg> | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.Debian.org/projects/Debian-knoppix/ http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | oh |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | ok |
| 12:06 | <Guest2614> | i stand corrected |
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| 12:07 | <Guest2614> | i thought it is a derivitted |
| 12:07 | <Guest2614> | or whathaveyou |
| 12:07 | <@weasel> | it is. therefore it's not debian. |
| 12:07 | <themill> | !tell Guest2614 about based on debian |
| 12:07 | <@weasel> | and accordingly we do not support it |
| 12:07 | <azeem> | W 23 |
| 12:07 | <azeem> | oops |
| 12:07 | <Guest2614> | aighty |
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| 12:12 | <Guest2614> | oh great gods of debian you have enlightened me. I bid farewell in search of the truth be it debian , knoppix or zeros and ones in the billions. |
| 12:12 | <@weasel> | heh |
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| 12:16 | <alexander> | Hi all! Users in LAN get access to internet through firewall which check ipaddress+hwaddress. Howto prevent situation when user change his hwaddr and get access privleges for another computer? |
| 12:17 | <riboflavin> | hello |
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| 12:18 | <riboflavin> | does anyone know why my gdm doesn't appear when i restart my laptop?i have to login in console and use startx |
| 12:19 | <dkr> | alexander: you could run arpwatchd so you can be notified of mac address changes on your lan |
| 12:19 | <@weasel> | riboflavin: is it installed? |
| 12:19 | <riboflavin> | yes |
| 12:19 | <@weasel> | riboflavin: what happens when you say /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 12:20 | <riboflavin> | the default login manager is gdm right? |
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| 12:20 | <@weasel> | "maybe" |
| 12:20 | <riboflavin> | or is it xdm? |
| 12:20 | <riboflavin> | nothing happen with that command |
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| 12:22 | <@weasel> | riboflavin: sh -x /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 12:23 | <alexander> | dkr, thank you, i'll try |
| 12:23 | <riboflavin> | can i paste here? |
| 12:23 | <themill> | !paste |
| 12:23 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:23 | <dkr> | alexander: it's not a preventitive measure, but knowing what is going on is always useful. :) |
| 12:24 | <alexander> | I understand :) |
| 12:24 | <riboflavin> | http://paste.debian.net/46510 |
| 12:24 | <dkr> | the only way to prevent I think would be at the switch level |
| 12:24 | <alexander> | and what about using static macs for ips in arp? |
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| 12:25 | <@weasel> | riboflavin: you lied to me. |
| 12:25 | <dkr> | that wouldn't make a difference in the case you described of someone setting their mac address to a valid already existing one |
| 12:25 | <@weasel> | riboflavin: you said gdm was installed. |
| 12:25 | <papilucio> | hello, I am struggling to build a jackd package from the svn tree, but I fail on anything I try. I am new to debian packaging and any help would be appreciated... |
| 12:25 | <themill> | riboflavin: that's claiming that the gdm binary is not installed. |
| 12:25 | <lupine> | alexander: switch to a sensible authentication scheme |
| 12:26 | <lupine> | for instance, run a radius server |
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| 12:26 | <riboflavin> | eh |
| 12:26 | <themill> | lupine: radius... sensible? |
| 12:27 | <lupine> | well, it's the industry standard |
| 12:27 | <flamsmark> | isn't radius the standard |
| 12:27 | <flamsmark> | exactly |
| 12:27 | <dkr> | so is microsoft on the desktop |
| 12:27 | <lupine> | and FreeRADIUS is pretty easy to set up |
| 12:27 | <riboflavin> | then how can the gdm is in /etc/init.d ? |
| 12:27 | <themill> | isn't radius Yet Another Unencrypted Authentication system? |
| 12:27 | <@weasel> | riboflavin: it's removed, not purged. |
| 12:28 | <flamsmark> | themill - i didn't know that was capitalised |
| 12:28 | <themill> | flamsmark: in the finest tradition of Yet Another .... |
| 12:28 | <@weasel> | themill: radius cannot be _yet another_ of anything |
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| 12:28 | <@weasel> | themill: radios is _the_ system. |
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| 12:29 | <themill> | I didn't think it was possible to do properly encrypted radius auth. Is that the case? (none of this shared secret bollox that's trivial to break) |
| 12:30 | <flamsmark> | really? how is a shared secret breakable, themill? |
| 12:30 | <papilucio> | could someone give me tips to pack jackd from svn, please ? I am struggling with that for several hours now... |
| 12:30 | <flamsmark> | isn't that what almost all encryption is based on, themill? |
| 12:30 | <lupine> | themill: TKIP is hardly unencrypted authentication |
| 12:31 | <flamsmark> | can't you use aes anyway? |
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| 12:31 | <themill> | flamsmark: I was under the impression that radius shared secrets had been shown to be weak because they are used and not rotated so you amass a large amount of data to work out the shared secret. (same problem as WEP) |
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| 12:32 | <lupine> | themill: radius can be configured to do all sorts of things. so saying 'radius is weak because <encryption implementation detail here>' is misleading |
| 12:32 | <themill> | lupine: ok. good to hear. |
| 12:33 | <flamsmark> | no, the reason that wep is weak is because the initiation vectors use a poor hashing algorithm, themill |
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| 12:36 | <flamsmark> | !nonfree |
| 12:36 | <dpkg> | from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:36 | <flamsmark> | !non-free sources |
| 12:36 | <dpkg> | non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 12:36 | <lupine> | so anyway, yeah. radius + captive portal would be my approach. maybe something like CoovaChilli |
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| 12:38 | <flamsmark> | !sources |
| 12:38 | <dpkg> | well, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 12:38 | <flamsmark> | !mirrors |
| 12:38 | <dpkg> | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <apt-setup> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 12:38 | <themill> | flamsmark: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 12:38 | <themill> | :) |
| 12:39 | <flamsmark> | thanks, sorry |
| 12:39 | <themill> | np |
| 12:39 | <flamsmark> | do you happen to know how i can get some more ubuntu-like sources? |
| 12:39 | <lupine> | www.ubuntu.com has all sorts of ubuntu-like sources |
| 12:40 | <flamsmark> | debianised ones, or purely ububtu ones? |
| 12:40 | <themill> | flamsmark: what do you mean by "ubuntu-like sources"? |
| 12:40 | <lupine> | well, they're ubuntu sources. What do you think? |
| 12:41 | <flamsmark> | i'm looking for non-free [drivers for my gpu, among oter] but i seem to have found those, and things like universe and multiverse |
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| 12:41 | <@weasel> | why would you want universe? |
| 12:41 | <@weasel> | universe has nothing that debian doesn't have. the only difference is that the quality of packages in ubuntu's universe is crap because they don't support it |
| 12:42 | <themill> | flamsmark: many are in the archive in the non-free section. add contrib non-free to your sources.list lines. Also /msg dpkg dmme |
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| 12:42 | <Df_Yz> | Hello all! |
| 12:42 | <flamsmark> | is ubuntu's universe something like debain's basic packages then? |
| 12:42 | <Df_Yz> | Is there a russian channel? |
| 12:42 | <@weasel> | !ru |
| 12:42 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:43 | <Df_Yz> | weasel: thx |
| 12:43 | <azeem> | W 20 |
| 12:43 | <azeem> | oops |
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| 12:44 | <@weasel> | maybe you should fix your irc client config, azeem. |
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| 12:44 | <flamsmark> | are there any other bits i should be looking at [like multimedia] ? |
| 12:44 | <azeem> | weasel: to automatically insert / when I forget? ;) |
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| 12:44 | <themill> | azeem: yeah... that would be a neat trick ;) |
| 12:44 | <@weasel> | to map window switching to something other than a / command |
| 12:45 | <@weasel> | like esc+<key> |
| 12:45 | <dpalacio> | flamsmark: contrib non-free and http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:45 | <azeem> | that's cumbersome for chans above 20-something, but yeah, will think about it |
| 12:45 | <@weasel> | no, it isn't |
| 12:45 | <flamsmark> | thanks dpalacio |
| 12:46 | <flamsmark> | and to get testing and/or unstable? |
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| 12:46 | <@weasel> | azeem: http://asteria.noreply.org/~weasel/i-c |
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| 12:48 | <dpalacio> | flamsmark: what do you mean? |
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| 12:49 | <flamsmark> | what are the names of the unstable packages? |
| 12:49 | <flamsmark> | main unstable ? |
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| 12:50 | <@weasel> | flamsmark: your question doesn't make much sense, but I bet what you want to know can be found in many places on the web |
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| 12:51 | <flamsmark> | sorry, it was badly phrased, i mean, the line neccessary to add unstable to my sources |
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| 12:51 | <themill> | flamsmark: you can't mix packages from unstable into a stable system (in ubuntu-speak, that's like mixing gutsy and feisty or whatever they're called) |
| 12:51 | <flamsmark> | is it <url> etch main unstable ? |
| 12:51 | <themill> | no! |
| 12:52 | <flamsmark> | okay, how do i swtich to unstable? |
| 12:52 | <@weasel> | flamsmark: if you have to ask, you really shouldn't. |
| 12:52 | <@weasel> | flamsmark: you should stick with stable, aka etch. |
| 12:53 | <themill> | !sid |
| 12:53 | <dpkg> | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 12:53 | <flamsmark> | and that was the moment when i reread the line of the faq to discover that unstable is called sid |
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| 12:54 | <flamsmark> | hmn |
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| 12:54 | <themill> | flamsmark: seriously... just stick with etch. |
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| 12:55 | <themill> | flamsmark: specifically... what is it that you are missing from debian etch. |
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| 12:55 | <flamsmark> | there is nothing that i can think of that i am missing |
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| 12:56 | <themill> | then just stick with etch and be happy :) |
| 12:56 | <JasonS> | flamsmark: then be happy heh |
| 12:56 | <themill> | if there is something that you are missing, then come back and ask us about backports, debian-multimedia and non-free |
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| 12:57 | <flamsmark> | backports are things that will go from testing to stable on the next release? |
| 12:57 | <twb> | Not strictly. |
| 12:57 | <flamsmark> | ish? |
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| 12:58 | <themill> | flamsmark: they are packages from testing that have been recompiled so that they can be installed within stable. A different version will be used for the next stable release. |
| 12:58 | <twb> | Depending on how restrictively you use the term, a backport is where you take the source package (.dsc, .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz) from release N+1 and compile it into a .deb in release N. |
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| 12:59 | <flamsmark> | so its something that's retroactively released into the current stable version? |
| 12:59 | <twb> | Because Lenny has not been released, you could backport to Etch software that contains release-critical bugs that wouldn't be in the released version of Lenny. |
| 12:59 | <twb> | backports aren't part of a release. |
| 12:59 | <flamsmark> | right |
| 13:00 | <flamsmark> | but they are intended to be used in the current, not the next release |
| 13:00 | <twb> | backports are intended for the particular release against which they are compiled. |
| 13:00 | <themill> | flamsmark: yes, but with caution that they are unofficial and unsupported |
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| 13:00 | <twb> | There's no reason you couldn't theoretically have backports to oldstable (currently Sarge) or testing (from unstable). |
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| 13:01 | <twb> | I guess backports.org is mostly/entirely backports to stable from whatever happened to be in testing at the time. |
| 13:01 | <flamsmark> | okay |
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| 13:01 | <themill> | occasionally a package from unstable, but usually testing |
| 13:02 | <flamsmark> | and does 'etch main contrib' include 'etch main' or should i have both lines? |
| 13:02 | <flamsmark> | and similarly etch main contrib non-free |
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| 13:03 | <themill> | flamsmark: man 5 sources.list |
| 13:03 | <twb> | flamsmark: you are misunderstanding the format of sources.list |
| 13:03 | <themill> | deb uri distribution [component1] [component2] [...] |
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| 13:03 | <twb> | main, contrib and non-free are three separate components. |
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| 13:04 | <flamsmark> | ok |
| 13:04 | <twb> | Policy governs what kinds of relationships can exist between packages in different components, for example packages in main MUST NOT depend on any package in non-free. |
| 13:04 | <flamsmark> | i'll read the man |
| 13:04 | <posix> | why does Lenny use ifconfig as opposed to iproute? |
| 13:05 | <alexander> | Can dhcpd run some script when give ip to some hwaddr? |
| 13:05 | <twb> | posix: I've used ifconfig for as long as I can remember. Certainly I use it on Etch and RHEL4. |
| 13:05 | <twb> | alexander: that depends which dhcpd you mean |
| 13:05 | <twb> | alexander: the DHCP server dnsmasq certainly can. |
| 13:06 | <posix> | twb: but iproute is superior by a factor of ten gajillion? |
| 13:06 | <twb> | dnsmasq --dhcp-script=/usr/local/bin/foo |
| 13:06 | <flamsmark> | i'm not sure i follow |
| 13:07 | <twb> | posix: aptitude install iproute? |
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| 13:07 | <flamsmark> | main is a set of packages, yes? |
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| 13:07 | <twb> | flamsmark: yes. |
| 13:07 | <flamsmark> | but main contrib is another set of packages |
| 13:07 | <twb> | Wrong |
| 13:07 | <flamsmark> | ok |
| 13:07 | <@weasel> | no, right. |
| 13:07 | <@weasel> | only badly said |
| 13:07 | <twb> | Yes. |
| 13:08 | <twb> | `main' and `contrib' are sets of packages. |
| 13:08 | <JasonS> | flamsmark: 3 seperate set of packages |
| 13:08 | <flamsmark> | main, contrib and non-free |
| 13:08 | <themill> | flamsmark: yes. They are three disjoint sets of packages. |
| 13:08 | <twb> | `main contrib' is the set { x : x ∈ Main ∪ Contrib } |
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| 13:08 | <flamsmark> | right |
| 13:09 | <flamsmark> | ookay |
| 13:09 | <twb> | LaTeX input methods ftw |
| 13:09 | <flamsmark> | and i'd need to write main contrib because contrib can depend on main? |
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| 13:09 | <twb> | (Unfortunately Unicode doesn't have a codepoint for the \LaTeX glyphs.) |
| 13:09 | <themill> | flamsmark: together they form a distribution such as etch which can be all used properly together (compatible versions, compatible compilers etc) |
| 13:09 | <twb> | flamsmark: you could simply write `contrib' |
| 13:10 | <alexander> | twb, thank you! ;) so if I run script which check for arpwatch log and if everything is ok will apply some rules for ip |
| 13:10 | <twb> | alexander: I do not understand. |
| 13:10 | <flamsmark> | twb, but that wouldn't be a good plan |
| 13:10 | <themill> | flamsmark: you *must* have main |
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| 13:10 | <twb> | You don't need `main' if you don't want to ever upgrade packages in main |
| 13:10 | <alexander> | twb, sorry for my english |
| 13:10 | <JasonS> | flamsmark: and probily should have contrib but you don't hanve to have non-free |
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| 13:10 | <themill> | twb: or install packages... you have to had main for installation at least :) |
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| 13:11 | <twb> | themill: right. |
| 13:11 | <flamsmark> | but i believe that some of the driver i want are non-free |
| 13:11 | <themill> | flamsmark: e.g. I have: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free. |
| 13:11 | <themill> | flamsmark: that is parsed as: deb uri (=http://../) distro(=etch) components={main, contrib, non-free} |
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| 13:12 | <flamsmark> | i grok this now |
| 13:12 | <flamsmark> | thanks |
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| 13:13 | <flamsmark> | do multimedia and backports both have contrib and non-free components? |
| 13:14 | <azeem> | flamsmark: why don't you research that yourself? |
| 13:14 | <themill> | dmm only has "main" but everything is really non-free.... |
| 13:14 | <azeem> | you can browse those servers |
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| 13:18 | <flamsmark> | thanks |
| 13:18 | <twb> | themill: IMO dmm should really only have non-free/ |
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| 13:26 | <jaevans3> | NICK ja3000 |
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| 13:28 | <themill> | twb: agreed |
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| 13:34 | <ameyer> | some things on dmm could fit in free, to be honest |
| 13:34 | <ameyer> | but yeah, it's mostly non-free |
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| 13:38 | <riboflavin> | hello |
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| 13:40 | <riboflavin> | weasel; im back.i discovered that some of my application are uninstalled automatically..like gdm..and now i realize that my image viewer,and my evince was uninstalled..i dont know how and why |
| 13:40 | <riboflavin> | is it possible that the system uninstalled it? |
| 13:41 | <themill> | ameyer, twb: true... some is just patent-encumbered free software, which is a different kettle of fish entirely. |
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| 13:43 | <ameyer> | mp3's about to be non-encumbered, knowing Debian's release cycle, perhaps in time for Lenny+1 |
| 13:43 | * | fxiny wonders what cup of tea comes out of a kettle of fish |
| 13:44 | <twb> | riboflavin: which apt frontend are you using (e.g. aptitude, synaptic)? |
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| 13:44 | <ameyer> | strange, I'd swear mp3's last patent expired in 2011 |
| 13:44 | <riboflavin> | apt-get and synaptic |
| 13:44 | <ameyer> | now wikipedia says 2017 |
| 13:45 | <twb> | Well, aptitude supports `markauto' flags, and will (by default) remove any packages that were installed automatically iff there are no longer installed packages keeping it (the markauto'd package) installed. |
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| 13:46 | <twb> | That is, it does ~M!~Rdepend:~i- |
| 13:46 | <twb> | *That is, it does ~M!~Rdepends:~i- |
| 13:46 | <riboflavin> | oh |
| 13:47 | <twb> | So for example if you installed the `gnome' metapackage and that pulled in gdm, then removing gnome will also cause gdm to be removed (again, only by default). |
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| 13:47 | <ameyer> | it'd be nice if everybody could move to ogg vorbis, though |
| 13:47 | <riboflavin> | but i didnt remove any package in a recent time |
| 13:47 | <twb> | Now that I think about it, if you use BOTH apt-get and aptitude, then all packages installed by apt-get are more or less markauto'd. |
| 13:47 | <twb> | So: don't use apt-get. |
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| 13:48 | <gurpreet> | is there any way to use wildcard selection with aptitude? |
| 13:48 | <twb> | Yes. |
| 13:48 | <riboflavin> | twb, then what package manager should i use? |
| 13:48 | <twb> | riboflavin: you said you were using synaptic |
| 13:48 | <twb> | gurpreet: an example 05:46 <twb> *That is, it does ~M!~Rdepends:~i- |
| 13:49 | <twb> | ~M [markauto'd] ~Rdepends: [dependend upon by] ~i [installed packages] - [remove] |
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| 13:49 | <gurpreet> | twb, no, i want to remove apt-howto-ca, apt-howto-de, apt-howto-el etc, but i am unable to use apt-howto* for this |
| 13:50 | <riboflavin> | for me,sometimes installing from console is much faster and easier |
| 13:50 | <twb> | aptitude remove ~napt-howto-.* |
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| 13:50 | <twb> | aptitude takes REs (PCREs, I believe), not globs. |
| 13:50 | <twb> | Actually, I don't think you need the ~n |
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| 13:51 | <twb> | I think X is implicitly ~n^X$ |
| 13:51 | <gurpreet> | twb, i never really understood ~i, ~M stuff |
| 13:51 | <twb> | gurpreet: upi dpm |
| 13:51 | <twb> | gurpreet: you don't use mutt? |
| 13:51 | <gurpreet> | twb, no |
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| 13:51 | <twb> | They're a bit like GNU short switches, only with ~ instead of hyphen. |
| 13:52 | <gurpreet> | twb, mutt = text based multireader, i've no idea what it do |
| 13:52 | <fxiny> | shame on you gur ;) |
| 13:52 | <twb> | mutt is an MUA |
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| 13:52 | <gurpreet> | gurpreet, shame on you |
| 13:52 | <twb> | aptitude's pattern matching system is based on (or at least very similar to) mutt's. |
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| 13:53 | <twb> | It's fantastically handy for tersely doing things that would, with apt-get, require lots of backticks and apt-cacher |
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| 13:53 | <twb> | si0ux doesn't know that `cd' = `cd ~' on modern systems :-/ |
| 13:53 | <fxiny> | and how to search ~B :P |
| 13:54 | <gurpreet> | twb, that i know, thank god |
| 13:54 | <kmap> | Guys, a friend is facing a bug similar to this _on Debian_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/124294 |
| 13:54 | <kmap> | I tried kumto's remastered Etch with kernel 2.6.23 |
| 13:54 | <gurpreet> | twb, fxiny i'll surely read about mutt, was just thinking what to do :) |
| 13:54 | <kmap> | What suggestion would you give to make it detect both cores of the Core 2 Duo? |
| 13:55 | <twb> | It doesn't detect both automagically? |
| 13:55 | <gurpreet> | twb, but i didn't knew "cd" != "cd ~" on earlier systems |
| 13:55 | <twb> | What does /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 13:55 | * | kmap observes that there is NO detail of how the bug was fixed in launchpad |
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| 13:55 | <twb> | gurpreet: earlier systems are horrendously unixy, i.e. broken |
| 13:55 | <kmap> | twb: It detects both if I don't pass acpi=off. Else, it gives that error |
| 13:55 | <twb> | Bleh |
| 13:55 | <kmap> | twb: And pci=nommconf also doesn't boot |
| 13:56 | * | twb hates launchpad |
| 13:56 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, wait, why _should_ i use mutt? i just have one mail coming for me i.e. gmail |
| 13:56 | <kmap> | BWT, this is an install I did with acpi=off geneic.all_generic_ide=1 irqpoll |
| 13:56 | <twb> | I hate it more than scientology |
| 13:56 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, and i read it on web itself, gmail-notifier updates me on time |
| 13:56 | <kmap> | gurpreet: The time taken to learn mutt is worthwhile. |
| 13:56 | <kmap> | gurpreet: If you are subscribed to several mailing lists |
| 13:57 | <kmap> | twb: Should I report this to the Debian BTS? |
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| 13:57 | <gurpreet> | kmap, i will learn mutt, just to see if it can make my life easier :) |
| 13:57 | <kmap> | gurpreet: Worth it. |
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| 13:58 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: i have 4 gmail so what ? i'm always mutting all day long . mutt+fetchmail+mailfilter+bogofilter+procmail+postix . all they go with MUTT MACRO and scores ... |
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| 13:59 | <twb> | kmap: I don't know. |
| 13:59 | <kmap> | twb: OK, I'll ask on debian-user tomorrow. |
| 13:59 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: i forgot mutt profile and maybe more |
| 13:59 | <twb> | launchpad is such a piece of shit that I always reproduce bugs I find on Ubuntu under Debian, then report them to Debian's BTS with reportbug(1). |
| 13:59 | <gurpreet> | twb, aptitude recognize apt-howto* and apt-howto.*, but stops after showing names of matching packages, i.e. don't perform the action on the packages |
| 14:00 | <kmap> | twb: I have seen Launchpad only a few times. And I really can't use it. :-( |
| 14:00 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, 1 gmail is enough for me :) |
| 14:00 | <nido> | Hello all. I've got this weird problem on my wireless. The wireless part (connecting to ssid, encryption, etc) works fine. DHCP, however does not. It sends a DHCPREQUEST, and gets a DHCPOFFER, and it keeps on sending dhcprequests |
| 14:00 | <twb> | No fucking way should I have to start X and a GUI browser, then *log in*, then use some dinky fucking web form to add a GPG key just so I can send a mail bug that I have to write by hand, because reportbug(1) doesn't support it's non-standard mail syntax. |
| 14:00 | <kmap> | twb: Or beg a neighbour. :-) |
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| 14:01 | <twb> | It is WRONG to make it hard for users to report bugs. |
| 14:01 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: urlview and maybe more : ahhh mutt is a religion :) |
| 14:01 | <kmap> | twb: The whole world uses Ubuntu, isn't it? (Joke!) :-) |
| 14:01 | <flamsmark> | why can't i select 1920x1200 resolution? |
| 14:02 | * | Tails just found out Second Life's servers are Debian powered |
| 14:02 | <gurpreet> | kmap, yo, child is more popular than father |
| 14:02 | <kmap> | gurpreet: Yeah right. The less I speak of my Ubntu horrors, the better... |
| 14:02 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: you can download your gmail locally so mutt could be ok even for you |
| 14:02 | <twb> | Of course, once you actually submit a bug to Launchpad the devs ask you inanely stupid patronizing questions, then after you respond politely and clearly, citing the answers to their questions from your original bug report, they just fucking ignore you. Then six months later someone else closes the bug with the message "nobody talked about this for three months, so obviously the bug is fixed." |
| 14:03 | <twb> | ...but I'm not bitter. |
| 14:03 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: i leave gmail to iceweasel |
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| 14:03 | <twb> | flamsmark: can't select that resolution *where*? |
| 14:04 | <flamsmark> | the screen resolution app in desktop>preferences, twb |
| 14:04 | <twb> | flamsmark: I don't use a GUI |
| 14:04 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, even though i may not be in dire need for it, i think i should learn mutt and the religion or i'll be called a heretic |
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| 14:04 | <twb> | flamsmark: can you tell me what the process' name is? |
| 14:04 | <flamsmark> | i don't know how to do that |
| 14:04 | <twb> | It sounds like a utility for sending XRANDR requests to the X server. |
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| 14:05 | <twb> | flamsmark: try xprop | grep WM_COMMAND, then click on the window |
| 14:05 | <flamsmark> | frankly, i'm not even sure that i have the right driver for my gpu |
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| 14:05 | <twb> | flamsmark: what is the output of `lspci | grep VGA'? |
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| 14:06 | <flamsmark> | nvidia unknow device, twb |
| 14:07 | <flamsmark> | and the xprop command didn't work |
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| 14:07 | <twb> | flamsmark: the exact output, please. |
| 14:07 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: bon voyage then : mutt is a trip |
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| 14:07 | <twb> | Also pastebin xorg.conf, or tell me the output of |
| 14:07 | <twb> | </etc/X11/xorg.conf grep -A 10 Section.*\"Device | grep Driver |
| 14:08 | <flamsmark> | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0292 (rev a1) |
| 14:08 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, wait, please point me to good reading source for mutt and related stuff |
| 14:08 | <flamsmark> | it's Driver "nv" |
| 14:08 | <twb> | That is the correct driver for nvidia cards. |
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| 14:10 | <flamsmark> | all of them? |
| 14:11 | <twb> | That is the correct driver for all nvidia cards. |
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| 14:11 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, "mail -s <subject> <user@domain.net>" isn't working for me |
| 14:11 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: just start a couple of google links : many "related" things will follow |
| 14:11 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: mail ? |
| 14:11 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, this i took as my starting point |
| 14:11 | <gurpreet> | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Mutt-GnuPG-PGP-HOWTO-3.html |
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| 14:12 | <flamsmark> | okay, so how do i adjust my resolution, twb? |
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| 14:12 | <twb> | flamsmark: permanently? |
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| 14:12 | <zepard> | hi people |
| 14:13 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: echo "test" | mail -s TestSubject you@you.xxx |
| 14:13 | <Supaplex> | hi zepard. the bots are feeling left out now. ;) |
| 14:14 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, i ran this command, but mail seems to be lost in the wilderness of internet :) |
| 14:14 | <geresen> | hello friends does anybody knows helpful python pdfs or links ? |
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| 14:14 | <zepard> | :) |
| 14:14 | <twb> | geresen: you want to learn how to write Python programs? |
| 14:14 | <geresen> | yes |
| 14:14 | <twb> | geresen: ask #python on Freenode. This is not an appropriate channel. |
| 14:15 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, may be smail isn't installed, thats why |
| 14:15 | <ranix_> | python sucks, use perl |
| 14:15 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: this is much better : http://home.in.tum.de/~baueran/mutt/ |
| 14:15 | <geresen> | thanks for your help twb |
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| 14:15 | <zepard> | ranix_, wow python is bad? |
| 14:15 | <twb> | Both suck, but discussing mistakes in language design is also offtopic. |
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| 14:16 | <zepard> | true |
| 14:16 | <ranix_> | I was just overcome by trolling |
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| 14:16 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: check out mutt scores |
| 14:16 | <ranix_> | sorry about that |
| 14:16 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, no need for smail, i've exim4 installed |
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| 14:16 | <flamsmark> | twb - well, i' like to be able to adjust it as i go along |
| 14:17 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, the link you sent is not a tutorial |
| 14:17 | <flamsmark> | but i have 1920x1200 screen, and there are black lines doesn the edge because i'm at 1600x1200 |
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| 14:17 | <twb> | flamsmark: are you IRCing from the host in question? |
| 14:17 | <flamsmark> | at the moment |
| 14:17 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: but it shows you how to configure ~/.mutt , is a good starting point |
| 14:18 | <twb> | Then first we should discuss how to revert the changes if we fuck up badly enough that X hangs your whole system. |
| 14:18 | <bored_> | hi everyone.. i tried out fully automated installation of etch today.. it worked fine and im planning on doing it for some 20 machines.. is there a nice way in which i can maintain those machines centrally? |
| 14:18 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, yes i will need it eventually |
| 14:18 | <twb> | flamsmark: do you know how to enter single user mode from the bootloader? |
| 14:18 | <bored_> | stuff like adding a software, etc.. |
| 14:18 | <flamsmark> | yes |
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| 14:18 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: you can do very complicated things with mutt |
| 14:18 | <flamsmark> | but we can cross that bridge when we come to it |
| 14:18 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, like? |
| 14:18 | <twb> | bored_: no, there are only horribly unpleasant frameworks for centralized manglement -- cfengine and puppet are probably the best known. |
| 14:18 | <jthomas> | can anyone tell me where WebDAV permissions are set? Committed changes by one of our programmers aren't readable by others, and they all have this problem |
| 14:19 | <flamsmark> | i can just log in on my laptop if this explodes, twb |
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| 14:19 | <twb> | flamsmark: OK, then. |
| 14:19 | <jw> | Getting error on apt-get install not recognizing the install DVD for Debian v4.0r1. Restarted same error. apt-get update and restart same error. Using synaptic package manager gives same error. How do you get past keep getting prompted to insert DVD 1???? |
| 14:19 | <twb> | flamsmark: as root, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 14:19 | <drone77> | flamsmark, it is just a matter of backing it up... |
| 14:19 | <twb> | flamsmark: there are almost certainly display subsections that have a list of resolutions starting with "1600x1200" |
| 14:19 | <bored_> | twb: ok which one of them is better? :) |
| 14:19 | <twb> | bored_: mu. |
| 14:20 | <bored_> | twb: :) |
| 14:20 | <fxiny> | gurpreet: scores , macro to launch fetchmail or marking spam |
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| 14:20 | <twb> | However, I personally have no significant experience with either. |
| 14:20 | <twb> | cfengine is written in C++ and is old and ugly and badly designed. |
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| 14:20 | <twb> | puppet is written in Ruby and is new and ugly and badly designed, but makes different mistakes to cfengine. |
| 14:21 | <bored_> | twb: hmm so what do ppl do usually? write their own scripts? |
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| 14:21 | <twb> | bored_: yes, basically. |
| 14:21 | <flamsmark> | twb, yes, it looks like |
| 14:21 | <twb> | bored_: cfengine and puppet are overblown scripts that were written to manage large deployments |
| 14:22 | <jthomas> | jw: as root edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the line that lists the cdrom/dvd drive, or comment it out |
| 14:22 | <twb> | flamsmark: stick a "1920x1200" or whatever on the left |
| 14:22 | <bored_> | twb: fine.. |
| 14:22 | <twb> | flamsmark: you might need a comma if there are commas there already, I don't remember |
| 14:22 | <flamsmark> | of each of them? |
| 14:22 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, still searching for some good reference, i am amazed there isn't a good howto for this in LDP |
| 14:22 | <twb> | flamsmark: well, really you only need it for the DefaultDepth one |
| 14:22 | <flamsmark> | no, they're in inverted commas |
| 14:22 | <twb> | " are called double quotes |
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| 14:23 | <twb> | There shouldn't be any German-style single quotes in the file. |
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| 14:23 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, this seems good, http://wiki.mutt.org/index.cgi?MuttWiki |
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| 14:23 | <flamsmark> | where i come from ' is an inverted comma, and " are inverted commas |
| 14:23 | <twb> | If you say so. |
| 14:24 | <jthomas> | ' single quote " double quote, in my land |
| 14:24 | <flamsmark> | anyway, they are in " |
| 14:24 | <flamsmark> | so, i save that |
| 14:24 | <twb> | `single quotes´, ain't apostrophes :P |
| 14:24 | <gurpreet> | fxiny, esp the MuttGuide link |
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| 14:24 | <jthomas> | twb true enough |
| 14:24 | <twb> | But nowadays everyone conflates ´ as ', except when showing off with Unicode |
| 14:25 | <flamsmark> | ` != ' |
| 14:25 | <flamsmark> | nonetheless |
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| 14:25 | <gurpreet> | ` == backtick in my land :) |
| 14:25 | <flamsmark> | i save xorg.conf with some changes... |
| 14:25 | <twb> | flamsmark: once this is done, kill off X (e.g. with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace). Don't forget to save anything you care about |
| 14:26 | <twb> | If using gdm, it will start up again on its own. |
| 14:26 | <twb> | Otherwise start X however you normally do |
| 14:26 | <flamsmark> | is it not possible to switch it live? |
| 14:26 | <flamsmark> | i assume i have gdm |
| 14:26 | <simonrvn> | gurpreet: that is a backtick for sure |
| 14:26 | <twb> | It *may* be possible, depending on a range of tedious details |
| 14:26 | <twb> | If it's going to work at all, this way will work |
| 14:26 | <flamsmark> | but otherwise 'startx' |
| 14:26 | <jthomas> | ` backtick also, but thats in monospaced fonts and on computers; in writing and publishing i think they're called "stylized quotation marks" |
| 14:27 | <simonrvn> | backtick == ` ; single quote == ' |
| 14:27 | <simonrvn> | jthomas: i think so yeh |
| 14:27 | <gurpreet> | simonrvn, apostrophy? |
| 14:27 | <twb> | flamsmark: let this be a lesson to you that everything you care about should run in Screen and thus be detachable :-) |
| 14:27 | <jw> | How do you get past apt-get install no longer recognizing installer DVD?? |
| 14:27 | <simonrvn> | apostrophe too yeh |
| 14:27 | * | Tails sighs and still has to install fireware for linux to read his tv usb :( |
| 14:27 | <twb> | gurpreet: apostrophe |
| 14:27 | <jthomas> | an apostrophy is a single quote but quotes come in pairs |
| 14:27 | <twb> | apostrophe! |
| 14:28 | <flamsmark> | most of my apps are graphical |
| 14:28 | <gurpreet> | twb, i will care about spelling in my english test :) |
| 14:28 | <twb> | The apostrophe is used for contraction and possession. |
| 14:28 | <flamsmark> | is it even possible to run them unlinked to the x? |
| 14:28 | <a_dave> | hi all. I just did a disk-image backup of a machine. The backup boots ok, but eth0 has become eth1. Once I edited /etc/network/interfaces to compensate, networking started up ok. But my question is, what causes this? |
| 14:28 | <fxiny> | twb: yeahhhhhh all we care of is (in) screen :) |
| 14:28 | <twb> | Single quotation marks (single quotes) are used, particularly in (British) English, for quotation. Double quotes (quotation marks) are used for dialogue. |
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| 14:29 | <twb> | When performing quotation within dialogue, convention is to alternate between double and single. |
| 14:29 | <drone77> | and i quote <jthoma.s> jw: as root edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the line that lists the cdrom/dvd drive, or comment it out |
| 14:29 | <flamsmark> | The apostrophe is different from the closing single quotation mark (usually rendered identically but serving a quite different purpose), and from the similar-looking prime (which is used to indicate measurement in feet or arcminutes, and for various mathematical purposes). |
| 14:29 | <twb> | flamsmark: precisely so. |
| 14:30 | <jw> | TY |
| 14:30 | <twb> | The lack of a closing single quote (´) key on US-104 keyboards is probably why people tend to write `foo' instead of `foo´ when using computers. |
| 14:30 | <dkr> | a_dave: different kernel versin just happened to load the nic modules in different order |
| 14:30 | <flamsmark> | and when using nested quotation levels, cycle through single and double inverted commas like brackets |
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| 14:30 | <flamsmark> | Quotation marks or inverted commas (also informally quotes,[1] and occasionally speech marks) are punctuation marks used in pairs to set off speech, a quotation, a phrase or a word. The pair consists of an opening quotation mark and a closing quotation mark, which may or may not be the same character. |
| 14:30 | <fxiny> | flamsmark: old keyboard users use single quotes for all silly apostro-glyphic-signs and latin accent |
| 14:31 | <gurpreet> | flamsmark, true, wikipedia must be right :) |
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| 14:31 | <flamsmark> | wikipedia is normally pretty good on this sort of topic |
| 14:31 | <flamsmark> | Single or double quotation marks denote either speech or a quotation. Neither style – single or double – is an absolute rule, though double quotation marks are preferred in the United States, and both single and double quotation marks are used in the United Kingdom. A publisher’s or even an author’s style may take precedence over national general preferences. |
| 14:31 | <dkr> | language is defined by consensus opinion, after all. :) |
| 14:31 | <a_dave> | dkr: I actually have two nics, which used to load as eth0 and eth1, but now load as eth2 and eth3... |
| 14:32 | <dkr> | a_dave: oh, that is weird. I thought they just swapped 1 for 0 and vice versa |
| 14:33 | <gurpreet> | flamsmark, i never thought '"` can be that confusing and that too in #debian |
| 14:33 | <a_dave> | some searching has led me to wonder if it has something to do with the saved state of the irq list |
| 14:33 | <flamsmark> | they're almost never confusing |
| 14:34 | <Tails> | i still don't understand what ~ is for lol |
| 14:34 | <flamsmark> | most grammar is actually redundant |
| 14:34 | <flamsmark> | that doesn't mean that it's useless |
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| 14:34 | <flamsmark> | just that natlang is somewhat fault-tolerant |
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| 14:34 | <fxiny> | is a relic of the pharaons |
| 14:34 | <javrod> | hi |
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| 14:34 | <javrod> | somebody speak spanish? |
| 14:35 | <dkr> | !es |
| 14:35 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:35 | <javrod> | hi dpkg |
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| 14:35 | <a_dave> | does anyone know how to discard/rebuild the saved irq-state? |
| 14:36 | <javrod> | i'm new in linux |
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| 14:36 | <javrod> | how can I go in to the server in spanish |
| 14:36 | <a_dave> | or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. |
| 14:36 | <drone77> | talking to the bot.... |
| 14:36 | <dkr> | javrod: /join #debian-es |
| 14:37 | <valdyn> | a_dave: you are indeed |
| 14:37 | <a_dave> | :-L |
| 14:37 | <a_dave> | :-), that is |
| 14:37 | <valdyn> | a_dave: see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 14:38 | <valdyn> | a_dave: -> interface names depend on mac |
| 14:38 | <a_dave> | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 14:39 | <jthomas> | can anyone tell me where WebDAV permissions are set for Apache2 on Debian? Committed changes by one of our programmers aren't readable by others, and they all have this problem |
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| 14:40 | <Payam> | hi |
| 14:40 | <Payam> | de |
| 14:40 | <solo> | hi |
| 14:40 | <Payam> | #ubuntu |
| 14:40 | <Payam> | hi |
| 14:40 | <Payam> | i use Parsix with Gnome |
| 14:41 | <Payam> | could you connect me to Parsix Channel? |
| 14:41 | <Payam> | im new here |
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| 14:41 | <solo> | don t know parsix |
| 14:41 | <JasonS> | !parsix |
| 14:41 | <solo> | wait a minute please |
| 14:41 | <roerich_lap> | jthomas: did you take a look at the file permissions? |
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| 14:42 | <solo> | didn't find parsix |
| 14:42 | <JasonS> | Payam: look here http://www.parsix.org/html/index.php |
| 14:43 | <Payam> | i hace senn tjat site |
| 14:43 | <JasonS> | apparently its on freenode |
| 14:43 | <Payam> | could you connect to any persian canel? |
| 14:43 | <Payam> | me |
| 14:43 | <JasonS> | Payam: /server irc.freenode.net then /join #parsix |
| 14:43 | -!- | mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel |
| 14:44 | <Payam> | could you cennect me to any perssian help channel? exapt the parsix? |
| 14:44 | <solo> | a debian distrib live cd |
| 14:44 | <solo> | oki |
| 14:44 | <jthomas> | roerich_lap: yes the file permissions, thats what I want. I don't want to change systenm-wide umask settings, but I want to change the settings for webdav-committed files. I don't want to manually change them every 15m though |
| 14:44 | <JasonS> | Payam: /server irc.freenode.net then /join #parsix |
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| 14:44 | <bob_> | hello i need some help when i do /etc/init.d/gdm stop to stop gdm the screen goes blank and i get no console just a blank screen |
| 14:44 | <jthomas> | JasonS: *except* parsix |
| 14:45 | <JasonS> | jthomas: well a persian debian channel won't help them so .. |
| 14:45 | <jthomas> | why not? |
| 14:45 | <JasonS> | jthomas: they aren't running debian for one thing but a fork off a fork of debian |
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| 14:46 | <jthomas> | the Persian Debian channel isn't Debian? |
| 14:46 | <Payam> | JasonS: I need a persian channel! they probebly know somethin g about Parsix |
| 14:46 | <JasonS> | jthomas: yes but parsix isnt debian but a fork of kanotix with is a fork off debian |
| 14:46 | <jthomas> | Payam do you need help with Debian or with Parsix ? |
| 14:47 | <Payam> | Parsix! there is sometihing wrong with that! I cans change the language keyboard layout |
| 14:47 | <JasonS> | Payam: just connect to freenode.net and join the channel as ive stated |
| 14:47 | <Payam> | its doesnt help |
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| 14:48 | <JasonS> | Payam: why not? |
| 14:48 | <Payam> | #ubuntu |
| 14:48 | <KaiSVK> | hi all |
| 14:48 | <KaiSVK> | Payam, /join #ubuntu ;) |
| 14:48 | <Payam> | tanks |
| 14:48 | <nido> | how do ubuntu peeps end up here? |
| 14:48 | <JasonS> | *blink* |
| 14:49 | <JasonS> | nido: they cant spell |
| 14:49 | <twb> | bob_: try Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
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| 14:49 | <bob_> | done that i get the same |
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| 14:49 | <twb> | bob_: is getty running? |
| 14:49 | <JasonS> | Payam: irc.freenode.net not oftc |
| 14:49 | <twb> | bob_: if sysvinit is installed, please lisppaste /etc/inittab |
| 14:49 | <nido> | misspell ubuntu as debian? No way you do that by accident |
| 14:49 | <twb> | Oops, s/lisppaste/pastebin/ |
| 14:49 | <twb> | nido: people are stupid |
| 14:50 | <javrod> | jajaja jasons |
| 14:50 | <bob_> | k |
| 14:50 | <Payam> | Jasons: i begin to hate Linux |
| 14:50 | <javrod> | why? |
| 14:50 | <twb> | Payam: welcome to the club |
| 14:50 | <Payam> | there is always something wronf |
| 14:50 | <Wesley> | Hello! I'm straceing a mysql server as for some reason its using 99% CPU all the sudden; can anyone enlighten me on the following line: "recv(141001476, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error" ? |
| 14:50 | <Payam> | I have used linus Kubuntu ;last year in one year |
| 14:50 | <nido> | Payam: with all due respect, don't tell me microsoft has got it all right |
| 14:50 | <JasonS> | Payam: try asking in the correct channel for your distro would be a good start |
| 14:50 | <Payam> | that was cool acxtully |
| 14:51 | <Payam> | nido>i hate microsoft and windows |
| 14:51 | <twb> | nido: in some situations non-Free software is VASTLY superior to Free software. |
| 14:51 | <twb> | nido: it wouldn't surprise me at all if bidi was in that category. |
| 14:51 | <a_dave> | valdyn: fwy, that did the trick (once I undid my edits to /etc/network/interfaces). Thanks. |
| 14:51 | <Payam> | nido: its so stupid to pay so mutch for buy Windows |
| 14:51 | <a_dave> | s/fwy/fwi |
| 14:51 | <nido> | ... microsoft has got it <b>ALL</b> right |
| 14:51 | <KaiSVK> | Payam, why hate linux ? :( |
| 14:51 | <javrod> | i want to play counter strike |
| 14:51 | <javrod> | :( |
| 14:51 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, use wine ;) |
| 14:52 | <javrod> | what emulator is really good, wine? |
| 14:52 | <dkr> | !wine |
| 14:52 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 14:52 | <twb> | KaiSVK: there are two kinds of people that hate Linux -- those that can't get it to work and don't know why, and those that can get it to work and know EXACTLY why it's so horrible |
| 14:52 | <twb> | javrod: wine is not an emulator. |
| 14:52 | <JasonS> | ok twb why is it so horrible? |
| 14:52 | <Payam> | Kaisvk: it takes a long time to learn, there is not a good scource to learn, not in my language r some programs dont word at all on linux |
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| 14:52 | <twb> | JasonS: well for a start it's a macrokernel |
| 14:52 | <javrod> | I am now in linux, but in the administrator of paquets, i don't find wine |
| 14:52 | <javrod> | :( |
| 14:52 | <KaiSVK> | twb, never met someone from the second group ;) |
| 14:52 | <dkr> | twb: you forgot the ones that hate it without even trying it. :) |
| 14:52 | <nido> | that\s a nice quote twb |
| 14:52 | <twb> | dkr: true |
| 14:53 | <javrod> | twd:what is wine? |
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| 14:53 | <KaiSVK> | Payam, If I may ... what is your language ? |
| 14:53 | <Payam> | KaiSVK> swedish and persian |
| 14:53 | <KaiSVK> | dkr, those are nobodies ;) |
| 14:53 | <twb> | javrod: wine is an imcomplete port of the w32 APIs to GNU/Linux and related systems |
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| 14:53 | <twb> | *incomplete |
| 14:53 | <Tails> | wine is a Windows layer or something |
| 14:54 | <twb> | Payam: where are you located, physically? |
| 14:54 | <KaiSVK> | Payam, oh well I am sure there are lot of resources in swedish :/ |
| 14:54 | <bob_> | twb, http://pastebin.com/m11350909 |
| 14:54 | <Payam> | KaiSVK:some program like CAD need to be install just on Windows bikaz they need Microsoft.NET |
| 14:54 | <Payam> | Sweden |
| 14:54 | <twb> | bob_: "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" says that Ctrl+Alt+F1 should work. |
| 14:54 | <twb> | Payam: what city in Sweden? |
| 14:54 | <KaiSVK> | Payam, I don't thing it's about .NET stuff actually ;) |
| 14:55 | <Payam> | twb:Stockholm |
| 14:55 | <gurpreet> | javrod, i tried it today itself to run couter strike, but failed |
| 14:55 | <Payam> | KaiSVK. I tried with Wine |
| 14:55 | <bob_> | yer but all i get is a blank screen as if its either redering at res my monitor cant handle or something |
| 14:55 | <Wesley> | Could anyone take a look at http://pastebin.com/m2b37217b and tell me if its something I should be worried about? |
| 14:55 | <twb> | Payam: http://www.linux.org/groups/sweden.html |
| 14:55 | <Payam> | it doest workd |
| 14:55 | <KaiSVK> | Payam, but you are right ... in one openSUSE survey there was AutoCAD on the first place in the chart of most wanted softwares to be ported to linux |
| 14:55 | <Wesley> | its a strace from mysql |
| 14:55 | <javrod> | nooo, COUNTER IS THE BEST |
| 14:55 | <javrod> | i want to play |
| 14:55 | <twb> | Payam: contact the nearest of those groups, and they will be able to help you with installing Linux and with native language supportand documentation. |
| 14:56 | <javrod> | twd: how i can install wine |
| 14:56 | <twb> | javrod: aptitude install wine |
| 14:56 | <javrod> | twb: thanks man |
| 14:56 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, well ... I am worried that I/O error means something very bad :/ |
| 14:56 | <bob_> | or go to the wine web site for the lastest version |
| 14:56 | <gurpreet> | javrod, i tried running steaminstall through wine, but it didnt helped |
| 14:56 | <Wesley> | KaiSVK; I can't seem to find anything in google.. mysql keeps using 99% cpu for no apparent reason |
| 14:56 | <KaiSVK> | btw. I am playing EVE Online here and it's just great ! :D |
| 14:56 | <twb> | bob_: no! |
| 14:57 | <twb> | bob_: that is a fantastically quick way to break your system |
| 14:57 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, check the HDDs ?! |
| 14:57 | <bob_> | you either have to get the steaminstall.exe or msiexec /i or -i for the msi |
| 14:57 | <bob_> | twb, it works fine on my system |
| 14:57 | <twb> | bob_: you mean that you aren't aware of the breakage |
| 14:57 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, I agree ... packaged soft is the best if you don't need anything special, why would you have to compile |
| 14:58 | <twb> | IME absolutely nothing at all works in Wine, and if you want to play current-gen games you should dual boot or go buy a console or something |
| 14:58 | <Wesley> | KaiSVK, How? I mean whats the best way to check these sort of problems, other then dmesg |
| 14:58 | <gurpreet> | i think i will have to install windows just to play counterstrike |
| 14:58 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, fsck at first |
| 14:58 | <bob_> | twb, ive got freelancer to run in wine |
| 14:58 | <drone77> | gurpreet javrod, guide on installing CS1.6/CS:S http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Steam |
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| 14:58 | <Wesley> | KaiSVK, it's a live remote system .. |
| 14:58 | <bob_> | am just trying to install the nvidia drivers |
| 14:58 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, heard about some people using virtual machines to play wine games :/ |
| 14:58 | <javrod> | gurpreet: i find in another page in google, how to instal steam to counter |
| 14:58 | <bob_> | ive also had tf2 running and css |
| 14:59 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, well ... what should I say ? |
| 14:59 | <twb> | Well, OK, I did get a Department of Justice program for wossname, reviewing past cases for precedence, to work. |
| 14:59 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, what I would do is CHECK THE FILESYSTEM |
| 14:59 | <twb> | But absolutely no games have ever worked that I've tried |
| 14:59 | <Wesley> | KaiSVK, it's not your problem I know. but .. well don't know maybe you had other things to look at |
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| 14:59 | <gurpreet> | javrod, drone77 i read the same page today and did what it told me to do but still results were negetive |
| 15:00 | <bob_> | hmms this is really starting to get to me i feel like pulling my hair out |
| 15:00 | <twb> | It may be because I'm not running fuck-me-harder-nvidia drivers and my card was made in 2002 |
| 15:00 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, look, its not about that your problems aren't mine ;) it's IRC ... we are solving problems wich are not our own ;) |
| 15:00 | <bob_> | lol twb |
| 15:00 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, secondly, is that database on some RAID array ? |
| 15:00 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, virtual m/c will take too must resources |
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| 15:00 | <javrod> | gurpreet, no idea man :( |
| 15:00 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, maybe true, but what system resources do you need to play CS anyway ;) |
| 15:00 | <twb> | If I thought Intel were any good I'd just use an i8x0 video card |
| 15:01 | <drone77> | i used that guide quite a while ago and it worked, but that was a while ago |
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| 15:01 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, no resources to run XP |
| 15:01 | <Wesley> | KaiSVK: I'm not that know with the system at all; just not it never used to do this. everything else seems fine.. its just the mysql using 99% |
| 15:01 | <twb> | As it is I have a mix of Matrox G450's, Radeon 9000's, and S3 something or others. |
| 15:01 | <javrod> | I need a emulator to windows |
| 15:01 | <javrod> | a good one |
| 15:01 | <twb> | It's good enough to play Tremulous, so I don't see why these stupid nancy non-free programs shouldn't work with it. |
| 15:01 | <javrod> | i have virtualbox |
| 15:01 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, have you physical access to that machine ? |
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| 15:01 | <javrod> | of inoteck |
| 15:02 | <gurpreet> | javrod, wine is best emu |
| 15:02 | <twb> | WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR. |
| 15:02 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, Wine Is Not Emulator ;) |
| 15:02 | <KaiSVK> | :D |
| 15:02 | <Wesley> | KaiSVK, I do.. but its a 3 hour trip |
| 15:02 | <twb> | Wesley: can you ring the local monkey and tell him what to do? |
| 15:02 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, is that machine at your work ? |
| 15:02 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, twb oh |
| 15:02 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, maybe you could check later, tomorrow ? |
| 15:02 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, twb what is it then, technically speaking? |
| 15:03 | <Wesley> | it's at our datacentre |
| 15:03 | <twb> | gurpreet: you don't listen! |
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| 15:03 | <nido> | musicbrainz rocks |
| 15:03 | <drone77> | javrod, http://www.transgaming.com/ |
| 15:03 | <twb> | 06:53 <twb> javrod: wine is an imcomplete port of the w32 APIs to GNU/Linux and related systems |
| 15:03 | <bob_> | a compatability layer |
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| 15:03 | <KaiSVK> | Wesley, well ... what could you possibly do is backup your database before checking FS |
| 15:03 | <Wesley> | mm |
| 15:03 | <gurpreet> | twb, yes, but this didn't told me that its not an emulator |
| 15:03 | <twb> | It's an implementation of some userspace libraries found on Windows. |
| 15:04 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, don't be silly ;) |
| 15:04 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, If you knew what an API is ... you would understand ;) |
| 15:04 | <twb> | gurpreet: emulation happens at the ABI layer (or lower, at the hardware layer), not at the API layer. |
| 15:04 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, really, i didn't knew the difference |
| 15:04 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, study, study, study, aaaaalll the time ;) |
| 15:04 | <javrod> | what that a mind? ---> imcomplete port? |
| 15:05 | <twb> | *incomplete |
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| 15:05 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, i'm, but it will take time |
| 15:05 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, if it would be COMPLETE, I predict that little very little percentil of people would use Win ;) |
| 15:05 | <javrod> | what that's mind |
| 15:05 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, good boy ;) |
| 15:05 | <javrod> | jajajaja |
| 15:05 | <gurpreet> | :) |
| 15:05 | <twb> | If you examine the stderr stream from wine, you'll see lots of "entering stub felafel_washington()!" type messages |
| 15:06 | <javrod> | excuse my english ;) |
| 15:06 | <nido> | I'm having a late christmas feeling |
| 15:06 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, used wine first time today, to play CS |
| 15:06 | <nido> | I wanna hear christmas songs ^^ |
| 15:06 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, and it worked right ? :) |
| 15:06 | <twb> | nido: don't let me stop you |
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| 15:06 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, nope |
| 15:06 | <KaiSVK> | nido, try something on youtube ;) |
| 15:06 | <javrod> | nido, you have to hear metallica ;) |
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| 15:07 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, what that's mind = what does it mean ? :D |
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| 15:07 | <nido> | javrod: I head their version of jingle bells. I'm suddenly not in the mood anymore |
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| 15:07 | <bob_> | anyone have any ideas about why /etc/init.d/gdm stop leaves me with a blank screen it also happens when i restart the xserver |
| 15:07 | <nido> | I'm gonna listen to lugradio instead |
| 15:07 | * | KaiSVK is in mood to hear something sweet from Bob Sinclair ;) |
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| 15:07 | <javrod> | kasisvk:thanks man |
| 15:07 | * | bob_ whacks on some dylon |
| 15:08 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, you are ALLWAYS welcome :) that's about IRCing ... about helping each other :) |
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| 15:08 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, i remember now, dosemu is the emulator |
| 15:09 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, well done ;) |
| 15:09 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, ever used wikipedia ? |
| 15:09 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, great thingy :) |
| 15:09 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, wikipedia? whats that? :) |
| 15:09 | <javrod> | Kaisvk: where are you from? |
| 15:09 | <bob_> | KaiSVK, wiki can be wrong |
| 15:09 | <bob_> | :P |
| 15:09 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, what can NOT be wrong ? :) who can NOT be wrong ? :D |
| 15:10 | <bob_> | god? |
| 15:10 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, SVK :) |
| 15:10 | <bob_> | if you believe in a god |
| 15:10 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, is there some entity like that ? :) |
| 15:10 | <gurpreet> | but still, gives good info |
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| 15:10 | <bob_> | well no one knows until there dead |
| 15:10 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, how could you know ;) have you ever been dead ;) |
| 15:10 | <javrod> | svk? jejeje, i have to practice a little more |
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| 15:11 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, Slovakia :) |
| 15:11 | <gurpreet> | bob_, did you ever found wikipedia giving wrong info? |
| 15:11 | <bob_> | i said if you believe in god :P |
| 15:11 | <javrod> | jajaja, good, i am from Venezuela |
| 15:11 | <gurpreet> | it can be wrong theoretically |
| 15:11 | <javrod> | :) |
| 15:11 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, ok ... we should let this talk be ;) it's not concerning linux or anything "really" important here ;) |
| 15:11 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, woooooow |
| 15:11 | <bob_> | ok KaiSVK |
| 15:12 | <lucas_amorim> | hello. I use gtkguitune to tune my guitars. It was working perfectly, but since I made an apt-get upgrade some time ago, it stopped working. In terminal it complains like this:Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libgnomebreakpad.so": libgnomebreakpad.so |
| 15:12 | <lucas_amorim> | : cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:12 | <KaiSVK> | lucas_amorim, hmmm ... using stable right ? |
| 15:12 | <lucas_amorim> | initializing audio at /dev/dsp |
| 15:12 | <lucas_amorim> | /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 15:12 | <lucas_amorim> | no, lenny |
| 15:12 | <lucas_amorim> | KaiSVK: using testing |
| 15:13 | <bob_> | javrod, chevez is cool i wish he was in charge over here |
| 15:13 | <KaiSVK> | lucas_amorim, so do I, but only stable is supported :/ |
| 15:13 | <lucas_amorim> | what do you mean? |
| 15:13 | <KaiSVK> | lucas_amorim, who knows what could happen, maybe you found a bug |
| 15:13 | <javrod> | bob: jajajjaa are you crazy? |
| 15:13 | <lucas_amorim> | I don't think so |
| 15:14 | <drone77> | bob_, KaiSVK's last statement applies to my thoughts on Chavez also |
| 15:14 | <lucas_amorim> | It is just a dependency problem |
| 15:14 | <javrod> | chavez is crazy man |
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| 15:14 | <bob_> | well hes better then bush blair/brown |
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| 15:14 | <javrod> | no man |
| 15:14 | <KaiSVK> | javrod, funky hot blooded latin american people :) |
| 15:14 | <javrod> | chavez sucks |
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| 15:15 | <bob_> | well over here politics are mainly rich upper class people |
| 15:15 | <drone77> | bob_, meh Blair played simon says |
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| 15:16 | <bob_> | at least chevez has the balls to stand up and tell the us to get lost |
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| 15:16 | <bob_> | where blair followed him like a blind dog |
| 15:16 | <javrod> | well bob, i don't know nothing about bush, but my president is a idiot |
| 15:16 | <lucas_amorim> | i thought it were debian channel |
| 15:16 | <lucas_amorim> | :p |
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| 15:16 | <bob_> | lol |
| 15:16 | <JasonS> | lucas_amorim: it is, just a ton of ot going on |
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| 15:17 | <KaiSVK> | I hate people like <lucas_amorim> |
| 15:17 | <drone77> | that badly off topic, eh? |
| 15:17 | <JasonS> | KaiSVK: why? |
| 15:17 | <KaiSVK> | if he would google, he would find that it's already in the debian-lenny bugs :/ |
| 15:17 | <KaiSVK> | AND |
| 15:17 | <Hideo> | how do I make the icons in the debian distributed OO smaller, they are way too huge, especially for my native 1024x768 resolution |
| 15:17 | <KaiSVK> | nobody is forcing him to use lenny :/ |
| 15:17 | <bob_> | well there isnt a rule saying you have to only talk about debian is there and if there is im sorry for speaking off topic |
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| 15:18 | <JasonS> | KaiSVK: 1. folks dont use the net anymore they come on irc and expect us to do the legwork :) 2. we dont know that, they may have to use lenny for hardware reasons? |
| 15:18 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, if everybody solves his/her problems using google, then #debian will become a boring place |
| 15:18 | <Hideo> | hey there gurpreet |
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| 15:18 | <JasonS> | in any case seeing as they left who cares |
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| 15:19 | <KaiSVK> | JasonS, well that's the problem ... he left after maybe 90 seconds nobody replied to him :/ |
| 15:19 | <KaiSVK> | JasonS, well that's the problem ... he left after maybe 90 seconds nobody replied to him :/ |
| 15:19 | <gurpreet> | people like me learn a lot by just looking at the window |
| 15:19 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, obviously, you are wrong ... |
| 15:19 | <JasonS> | KaiSVK: 3. they seem to expect immediate answers as well heh |
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| 15:19 | <drone77> | yeah, number of things i've picked up by just reading other people's text... |
| 15:20 | <user_> | hi |
| 15:20 | <bob_> | JasonS, what happens when google fails? |
| 15:20 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, if you expect to just come in the channel and insist on "somebody" to automatically solve your problems ... |
| 15:20 | <user_> | hi |
| 15:20 | <user_> | hi |
| 15:20 | <JasonS> | bob_: usually means your search paramiters were bad |
| 15:20 | <KaiSVK> | :D |
| 15:20 | <JasonS> | even if i can't spell it |
| 15:20 | <drone77> | bob_, blasphemy |
| 15:20 | <user_> | :) |
| 15:20 | <user_> | hi |
| 15:20 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, this is Free Software _Community_ dude, helping others is in our spirits |
| 15:21 | <KaiSVK> | oh ... hi user_ .... |
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| 15:21 | <KaiSVK> | you see ... he left :D |
| 15:21 | <bob_> | so how would i google /etc/init.d/gdm stop brings a blank screen |
| 15:21 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, it is ... |
| 15:21 | <drone77> | KaiSVK, not fast enough with that answer |
| 15:21 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, and as you probably see I try to help |
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| 15:22 | <drone77> | bob_, not blank for me |
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| 15:22 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, but he was reffering to a BUG !!! You see ... he was actually talking about some KNOWN BUG |
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| 15:22 | <bob_> | well it is for me and its doing my head in |
| 15:22 | <bob_> | i wanna install the nvidia drivers |
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| 15:22 | <drone77> | oh right the actual terminal, not google |
| 15:22 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, he actually wasted everybody's time |
| 15:23 | <bob_> | yer drone77 |
| 15:23 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, proper way was to just point him to the bug's page and that would have been a good ending to this matter |
| 15:23 | <drone77> | bob_, sorry |
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| 15:23 | <bob_> | :) |
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| 15:23 | <KaiSVK> | Guest2598, it would be ... but he left after 90 seconds ... should I be sorry ? :) |
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| 15:24 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, it would be ... but he left after 90 seconds ... should I be sorry ? :) |
| 15:24 | <drone77> | bob_, /etc/init.d/gdm force-reload ? |
| 15:24 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, he actually left with some "bad emotions" before I was able to link him to bug page |
| 15:24 | <bob_> | noe |
| 15:24 | <bob_> | nope |
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| 15:25 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, no dude, not blaming you, sorry if you felt this this |
| 15:25 | <bob_> | even if i restart the x server doing ctrl alt backspace i have to restart my computer |
| 15:25 | <gurpreet> | felt like* this |
| 15:25 | <bob_> | cause it brings a blank screen |
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| 15:25 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, ok ... look at this document ... it HELPED ME VERY MUCH at the start with linux, actually about a year ago or so |
| 15:25 | <drone77> | bob_, but it runs in the first pace? |
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| 15:25 | <bob_> | yes |
| 15:25 | <bob_> | strange or what |
| 15:25 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 15:26 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, i know what it is, i read it too earlier |
| 15:26 | <antoine> | hello |
| 15:26 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, maybe after reading it you will understand me better |
| 15:27 | <KaiSVK> | KaiSVK, so ... you must understand that before you ask something silly, you should do some research on your own, am I right ? :) |
| 15:27 | <KaiSVK> | antoine, hello |
| 15:27 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, i read it again |
| 15:27 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, found something |
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| 15:27 | <antoine> | Does anyone know whrer I can find a Tutorial for Konversation |
| 15:27 | <antoine> | ? |
| 15:28 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, "...Your local user group, or your Linux distribution, may advertise a Web forum or IRC channel where newbies can get help. (In non-English-speaking countries newbie forums are still more likely to be mailing lists.) These are good first places to ask, especially if you think you may have tripped over a relatively simple or common problem. An advertised IRC channel is an open invitation to ask questions there and often get answers in real time...." |
| 15:28 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, esr says that these are first good places to ask |
| 15:28 | <antoine> | thank you very much |
| 15:28 | <bremner> | antoine: what do you need to know (I am using Konversation to type this |
| 15:29 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, yes... but you jumped over the previous paragraph talking about "Before you ask" ;) |
| 15:29 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, prev para was abt mailing lists or forums |
| 15:29 | <drone77> | bob_, you running - sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 15:29 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before |
| 15:29 | <KaiSVK> | :) |
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| 15:30 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, I am sorry one of the previous paragraphs ;) |
| 15:30 | <Hideo> | here's a hint if you want questions answered in a linux channel/forum/ml, say "x linux distro sucks, it can't do this, or this, or this" |
| 15:30 | <antoine> | I don't know what we have to do to Dowload some music |
| 15:30 | <drone77> | uh oh.. |
| 15:30 | <Hideo> | lol you're almost guaranteed to get an answer |
| 15:30 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, 2nd para overwrites whatever was in prev paras :) |
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| 15:30 | <KaiSVK> | Hideo, "And I hate you all you all suck" :D |
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| 15:30 | <weasel> | Hideo: and you'll find lots of other idiots giving you all sorts of hints. |
| 15:30 | <Hideo> | lol |
| 15:30 | <weasel> | Hideo: of varying, but usually horrible quality |
| 15:30 | <Hideo> | yeah |
| 15:30 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, said who ? ;) |
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| 15:31 | <weasel> | smart people will just tag you as a troll and move on |
| 15:31 | <weasel> | that said, bbl. |
| 15:31 | <bob_> | grrr |
| 15:31 | <bob_> | damn terminal |
| 15:31 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, leave dude, i said sorry long ago |
| 15:31 | <Hideo> | weasel: didn't know you're here, you're omnipotent |
| 15:31 | <antoine> | Because I've started to use konversation yesterday |
| 15:31 | <KaiSVK> | gurpreet, ok ok :) all good buddy ;) |
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| 15:32 | <drone77> | bob_, same thing? |
| 15:32 | <gurpreet> | KaiSVK, cool, lets keep our viewpoints in our own heads and help someone else or be helped :) |
| 15:32 | <bremner> | antoine: OK, you stumped me. I only use Konveration to chat |
| 15:32 | <bob_> | yer |
| 15:32 | <antoine> | ok |
| 15:32 | <antoine> | lol |
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| 15:32 | <drone77> | bob_, and alt+ctrol+f2 doesn't do anything when it fails? |
| 15:33 | <bob_> | no |
| 15:33 | <KaiSVK> | anyway, who from us here in channel is visiting debian forums? |
| 15:33 | * | KaiSVK is going for my nasty habbit |
| 15:33 | <gurpreet> | do they exist? |
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| 15:33 | <drone77> | *deadly silence |
| 15:34 | <bob_> | yer |
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| 15:34 | <ciropom> | disconnect |
| 15:34 | <Hideo> | okay, I'm taking a numerical method class, and sadly the prof that we'll have to use MS Excel, so to the people who have experiences with it, is OO Calc of similar quality |
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| 15:35 | <flamsmark> | hideo - i find that gnumeric is a great substitutegood |
| 15:35 | <Grey> | Yo |
| 15:35 | <Grey> | Writing extended state information... Error! |
| 15:35 | <Grey> | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the linux-image-2.6.18-4-powerpc package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 15:35 | <Grey> | E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the linux-image-2.6.18-5-powerpc package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch) |
| 15:35 | -!- | Grey was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 15:35 | <Hideo> | that is by quality I meant, similar feel, functions... |
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| 15:35 | <Hideo> | wow grey |
| 15:35 | <Grey> | Oops |
| 15:35 | <Grey> | Thought it all went on one line |
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| 15:36 | <flamsmark> | hideo, though i'd press charges for religious discrimination |
| 15:36 | <cahoot> | Hideo: why not try them out and compare 'the feel' yourself? |
| 15:36 | <Grey> | http://pastebin.ca/848557 Ignore my stupidity and tell me what I'm doing wrong? :) |
| 15:36 | <flamsmark> | or ask him to give you a copy of excel and install it under wine hideo |
| 15:37 | <Hideo> | cahoot: I'm not familiar with neither of them yet, my familiarity is only with matlab/octave |
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| 15:37 | <flamsmark> | if you're given instructions intended for excel, you should easily be able to follow them in gnumeric, hideo |
| 15:38 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: thanks, I'm looking at installing excel on virtualbox, but if there's a way of avoiding, I'd like to use opensource instead |
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| 15:39 | <Hideo> | bah s/neither/either/g |
| 15:39 | <flamsmark> | hideo, you shouldn't have a problem with gnumeric |
| 15:39 | <flamsmark> | i've been used to doing numeric things in excel for years, and i can do everything without thinking in gnumeric |
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| 15:40 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: ok, thanks, me installs gnumeric |
| 15:40 | <drone77> | bob_, nvidia drivers? |
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| 15:41 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, tell us what's the error when gdm cannot start ? some X server error message ? |
| 15:41 | <bob_> | what you mean |
| 15:41 | <bob_> | no it just goes blank |
| 15:41 | <drone77> | bob_, what drivers are you using? |
| 15:41 | <bob_> | vesa |
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| 15:42 | <bob_> | i wanna install the nvidia drivers |
| 15:42 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: when I share excel files, which format should I save to in gumeric or OO calc? |
| 15:42 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, is gdm your defauld login manager ? tried dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 15:42 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, using stable ? |
| 15:42 | <bob_> | yer im using etch |
| 15:42 | <flamsmark> | hideo, i don't know. i've never moved files between excel, oo and gnumeric |
| 15:42 | <bob_> | and ive tried that as well |
| 15:43 | <bob_> | the dpkg reconfigure that is |
| 15:43 | <flamsmark> | hideo, do you need to submit files to your teacher? |
| 15:43 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/howto-installing-nvidia-graphics-drivers-on-debian-etch-396768/ |
| 15:43 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, or google for some better howto |
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| 15:43 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: yeah, for hw's |
| 15:43 | <flamsmark> | hideo - why not just export pdfs? |
| 15:44 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: I see excel 2007, 97/2000/xp, etc.. |
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| 15:44 | <bob_> | yer i tried that KaiSVK but it give me a blank screen |
| 15:44 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: b/c they may ask to see the formula |
| 15:44 | <bremner> | hideo: excel import/export works ok in gnumeric for me |
| 15:44 | <twb> | !nvidia |
| 15:44 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 15:44 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, than in command line try modprobe nvidia |
| 15:45 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, as root |
| 15:45 | <Hideo> | bremner: cool, thanks |
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| 15:45 | <flamsmark> | hideo - tsv or csv? |
| 15:45 | <bob_> | i uninstalled them and downloaded the nvidia ones and was gonna try them |
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| 15:45 | <twb> | The non-free drivers are Evil and Wrong |
| 15:45 | <bob_> | why are they evil and wrong |
| 15:45 | <KaiSVK> | twb, nobody cares ... |
| 15:46 | <twb> | Using them to get 3d acceleration is like invading Iraq to get cheaper oil |
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| 15:46 | <Hideo> | flamsmark:it's b/c 1. the prof specifically asked for a certain format, 2. they may be luddites and don't know how to open those |
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| 15:46 | <KaiSVK> | twb, don't waste your breath |
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| 15:46 | <KaiSVK> | twb, he can not run X, he is actually not concerned about free / non-free right now I think ;) |
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| 15:47 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, and well, to be objective, you can use free nv driver ;) |
| 15:47 | <twb> | Then he can use the vesa driver |
| 15:47 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg and try to choose nv driver |
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| 15:47 | <twb> | Anything supported by the evil drivers will surely work with vesa |
| 15:47 | <flamsmark> | hideo - gnumeric can export excel according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_spreadsheets#Export_capabilities |
| 15:47 | <drone77> | bob_, oh.. i was under the impression that X was running... |
| 15:47 | <bob_> | the nv driver has never work for any of my nvidia cards |
| 15:48 | <bob_> | x is running |
| 15:48 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, how is that ? |
| 15:48 | <twb> | bob_: if it doesn't work, you should report the fact |
| 15:48 | <bob_> | its when i restart x or stop x then i get the problem |
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| 15:48 | <twb> | bob_: I have that problem when using nv *and* nvidiafb |
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| 15:48 | <bob_> | no i mean with the vesa driver |
| 15:49 | <bob_> | the nv driver just doesnt work |
| 15:49 | <twb> | I don't remember trying it with vesa |
| 15:49 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, what's that card anyway ? |
| 15:49 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: right, which one is the most "compatiblest" that I should export to? |
| 15:49 | <bob_> | geforce 8800 gts |
| 15:49 | <drone77> | so it will crash when using the nvidia? |
| 15:49 | <twb> | My old box exploded and I forgot to swap the mga card out of it |
| 15:49 | <bob_> | well it doesnt crash just doesnt bring anything up on the display |
| 15:49 | <bob_> | when it tried and loads x |
| 15:49 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, well it should work ... even with vesa and nv and nvidia drivers all along :/ |
| 15:50 | <drone77> | bob_, while under nvidia ones? |
| 15:50 | <bob_> | yer drone77 |
| 15:50 | <flamsmark> | if youur prof wants excel format, gnumeric can export directly to an xls |
| 15:50 | <drone77> | Oh right |
| 15:50 | <bob_> | i know |
| 15:50 | <flamsmark> | it can also read xls files |
| 15:50 | <flamsmark> | hideo ^ |
| 15:50 | <twb> | flamsmark: the .xls extension is used for several different Microsoft Excel file formats |
| 15:50 | <drone77> | bob_, havent read all of this but you can - http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81256&page=3 |
| 15:51 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, so let's sumarise that ... you start your computer with whatever driver, you can see GDM login screen right ? |
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| 15:51 | <bob_> | yes |
| 15:51 | <twb> | flamsmark: none of them are backwards-compatible with older distributions of Microsoft Excel, at least for consumers. Multinationals get special privileges. |
| 15:52 | <bob_> | but if i restart x or close x and try to login in to the terminal the screen goes blank |
| 15:52 | <Hideo> | so the older format the better then, twb? |
| 15:52 | <twb> | Hideo: probably the 97-through-XP format is best |
| 15:52 | <flamsmark> | what version does your prof use? |
| 15:52 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, anyway why are you restarting X ?:) |
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| 15:53 | <drone77> | bob_, i suggest reading the link i gave - seems like might be your problem then |
| 15:53 | <Hideo> | ok thanks twb |
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| 15:53 | <twb> | You could of course just send it to your prof and ask if he can read it |
| 15:53 | <Hideo> | flamsmark: I have no clue, we haven't start on hw's yet |
| 15:53 | <Hideo> | twb: roger that |
| 15:53 | <ranix_> | .doc sucks |
| 15:53 | <ranix_> | notate it in xml and post it on the intertubes |
| 15:54 | <ranix_> | or fax him a copy |
| 15:54 | <twb> | .doc is XML these days |
| 15:54 | <flamsmark> | hideo - ask your prof what format s/he wants, and give that to him/her |
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| 15:54 | <bob_> | drone77, it doent freeze the machine |
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| 15:54 | <ranix_> | last I remember of .doc it was weird binary |
| 15:54 | <Hideo> | ranix_: then he'll give you an f for not doing what he asked :P |
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| 15:54 | <bob_> | i can do ctrl alt delete and itll reboot it |
| 15:55 | <drone77> | so you can run commands but jus the video is hanging |
| 15:55 | <twb> | For read-only exchange between consumer systems, PDF is probably the most reliable for preserving presentational markup. |
| 15:55 | <bob_> | yer |
| 15:55 | <ranix_> | Hideo: then show him the pictures you have of him driving down main street with a child that is not his in the front seat |
| 15:55 | <twb> | ranix_: it's compressed |
| 15:55 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, anyway, you have relatively NEW hardware, and as you know drivers are done by reversed engineering so... it can take some "version" to overcome this problem :/ |
| 15:55 | <twb> | ranix_: certainly oo.org is a LZ archive containing XML and some other crap |
| 15:55 | <ranix_> | really you should just do that to begin with |
| 15:55 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, searched the web for similar problems ? |
| 15:55 | <Lynx> | yepp that's true, PDF would be the best |
| 15:56 | <Lynx> | and it is good readaböe |
| 15:56 | <twb> | bob_: ew, it's new hardware? |
| 15:56 | <twb> | bob_: that was dumb |
| 15:56 | <ranix_> | twb: It's been ages since I actually used a document editor like that :( |
| 15:56 | <flamsmark> | but ranix_, to do that, you need photoshop. and that's not easy to run |
| 15:56 | <twb> | new hardware = doesn't work |
| 15:56 | <Hideo> | ranix_: you're evil minded :D |
| 15:56 | <ranix_> | flamsmark: I use the gimp because I can't draw anyway |
| 15:56 | <twb> | ranix_: I don't use word processors, either. |
| 15:56 | <bob_> | well ive an nforce 4 board |
| 15:57 | <bob_> | its only my gfx card thats new hardware |
| 15:57 | <KaiSVK> | twb, I didn't say that ... but 8800 is really knew one ... and it is just the latest proprietary driver from nvidia for inux "fully " supporting it / |
| 15:57 | <Hideo> | twb: vim ftw!? :p |
| 15:57 | <flamsmark> | twb, so you don't use new systems, guis, or word processors? |
| 15:57 | <twb> | flamsmark: correct |
| 15:57 | <ranix_> | I use guis at work |
| 15:57 | <flamsmark> | do you just irc from the command line twb? |
| 15:57 | <twb> | Well, I use GUIs under duress |
| 15:57 | <twb> | No, I irc from Emacs. |
| 15:57 | <bob_> | ive had the card working in ubuntu and someother distros |
| 15:57 | <ranix_> | I have X for web browsing and checking email |
| 15:58 | <ranix_> | and I have to use qemu to run windows for some marketing database |
| 15:58 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, it's weird but did you tried lenny ? |
| 15:58 | <twb> | For example, some websites don't work in w3m-el, and VMware doesn't support ttyS0 for testing automated installs |
| 15:58 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, it has whole new X.org and also vesa, nv driver :/ |
| 15:58 | <twb> | I haven't gotten around to replacing vmware with kvm for that. |
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| 15:59 | <bob_> | no but isnt there quite a few bugs in lenny |
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| 15:59 | <ranix_> | I enjoy the way xterminals look too much to be on the command line all the time |
| 15:59 | <twb> | There are thousands of bugs in Lenny |
| 15:59 | <bob_> | + ive tried downloading the new kernel from backports |
| 15:59 | <bob_> | and xorg |
| 16:00 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, well I am running lenny with absolutely now problems |
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| 16:00 | <ranix_> | I am also using lenny, but I know my way around a command line with some of the best |
| 16:00 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, it depends, what would you like to do with your linux machine |
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| 16:01 | <ranix_> | I only use non-stable if I have a specific reason |
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| 16:01 | <ranix_> | otherwise I prefer stable |
| 16:01 | <bob_> | just using it to browse the net and run a few old games under wine |
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| 16:01 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, testing will be fine ;) |
| 16:02 | <ranix_> | just use stable unless you have a specific reason to use testing, bob_ |
| 16:02 | <Hideo> | to tell the truth, unstable is not that unstable |
| 16:02 | <ranix_> | but just one good reason is enough, don't worry about the semantics too much |
| 16:02 | <Hideo> | I've used it for years never ran into serious problems |
| 16:02 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, ranix_ is correct, use stable if can with no problems |
| 16:02 | <ranix_> | I have run into some obnoxious problems |
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| 16:03 | <ranix_> | md -A didn't work |
| 16:03 | <bob_> | kk ill try lenny and see what happens |
| 16:03 | <ranix_> | mdadmin that is |
| 16:03 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, and most of the thing do some search for similar problem, send this problem to the mailing list propably would be a good idea |
| 16:03 | <ranix_> | -A switch functionality was commented out |
| 16:03 | <twb> | Just because unstable works for *you* doesn't mean that it doesn't have problems. |
| 16:03 | <ranix_> | had to use --all. First time using mdadmin and it threw me for a loop like you wouldn't believe |
| 16:04 | <ranix_> | mdadm? |
| 16:04 | <ranix_> | something like that |
| 16:04 | <twb> | For example, maybe support for Greek is totally broken and you don't know because you don't speak Greek. |
| 16:04 | <Hideo> | fortunately :P |
| 16:04 | <bob_> | ok ill try lenny and report back later :) |
| 16:04 | <KaiSVK> | twb, whatever ... he is just trying right ;) so he could just try to install lenny and see for him self |
| 16:05 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, hope you understand what you are doing, I don't want to blame me ;) |
| 16:05 | <twb> | Yes, bearing in mind of course that downgrading is not supported. |
| 16:05 | <ranix_> | and upgrading is super easy |
| 16:05 | <bob_> | KaiSVK, i do |
| 16:05 | <KaiSVK> | bob_, GL ! |
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| 16:05 | <bob_> | im gonna format anyway |
| 16:05 | <ranix_> | too bad you missed the good times, bob_ |
| 16:05 | <bob_> | good times? |
| 16:05 | <ranix_> | getting enlightenment working on a k6 with Potato |
| 16:05 | <ranix_> | no pointers found! |
| 16:05 | <bob_> | lol |
| 16:06 | <ranix_> | I think I was like 15 |
| 16:06 | <twb> | That would explain why you wanted to use e16 |
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| 16:07 | <bob_> | gnome sucks tho |
| 16:07 | <twb> | Well, Gnome2 sucks |
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| 16:07 | <bob_> | ive always preferred kde |
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| 16:08 | <bob_> | not sure if i like the look of kde 4 tho |
| 16:08 | <twb> | That was when they decided gnome should favour new users to the exclusion of experienced users |
| 16:08 | <Hideo> | fluxbox, simple, fast, and very customizable |
| 16:08 | <twb> | Because everyone knows that it's best if you keep your users as ignorant newbies, and prevent them from ever becoming power users |
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| 16:09 | <twb> | \end{sarcasm} |
| 16:09 | <drone77> | i loved trying to get e to work |
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| 16:09 | <twb> | drone77: yeah, I did that whenever I was really bored |
| 16:09 | <ranix_> | kde is horrible |
| 16:09 | <ranix_> | gah |
| 16:09 | <ranix_> | gnome is too so don't feel so bad, but gah |
| 16:09 | <twb> | drone77: just trying to get it to compile would happily waste four or five hours |
| 16:09 | <ranix_> | why did you leave windows in the first place if you want convoluted menus to configure everything |
| 16:09 | <drone77> | twb, nothing like a good bit of installing horrible programs |
| 16:09 | <drone77> | when bored |
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| 16:10 | <Alex_k> | ciao a tutti |
| 16:10 | <ranix_> | a window manager should manage windows, not be some kind of bloated software suite |
| 16:10 | <Hideo> | when I'm bored, I compile the kernels using distcc with crappy machines at home |
| 16:10 | <Hideo> | and time it! |
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| 16:11 | <bob_> | lol Hideo |
| 16:11 | <twb> | ranix_: GNOME isn't a WM. |
| 16:11 | <twb> | ranix_: GNOME, like Emacs, is a desktop environment. |
| 16:11 | <Alex_k> | ragazzi vorrei avere 2 postazioni indipendenti tipo split screen |
| 16:11 | <bob_> | try compiling gentoo and time that on an old machine with OO and KDE |
| 16:11 | * | drone77 is bored now. needs something to fix/install/configure |
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| 16:11 | <Alex_k> | 2 mouse 2 tastiere 2 skermi |
| 16:11 | <ranix_> | desktop environment |
| 16:12 | <twb> | !it |
| 16:12 | <dpkg> | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 16:12 | <ranix_> | I don't like those words, twb |
| 16:12 | <Hideo> | bob_: I said when I'm bored, not suicidal |
| 16:12 | <Alex_k> | ranix_ e la risposta x me? |
| 16:12 | <Alex_k> | ok |
| 16:12 | <Alex_k> | thank you |
| 16:12 | <twb> | Hideo: ya paint racing stripes down the case |
| 16:13 | <twb> | red cases go faster |
| 16:13 | <Hideo> | that makes it computes faster! |
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| 16:13 | <twb> | You can get purple and red PCBs these days |
| 16:13 | <bob_> | yer and stick a couple of fins so its areodynamic |
| 16:13 | <SpeedyG> | no way! my blue one beats the red one! |
| 16:13 | <ranix_> | Alex_k: Yo no hablo el idioma loco luna |
| 16:13 | <twb> | And fucking blindingly blue LEDs |
| 16:13 | <twb> | I hate those SO MUCH |
| 16:14 | <SpeedyG> | twb: I hate any led |
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| 16:14 | <bob_> | neons then :P |
| 16:14 | <SpeedyG> | those too |
| 16:14 | <SpeedyG> | computers must be dark as possible |
| 16:14 | <Hideo> | useless and only suck up power |
| 16:14 | <SpeedyG> | so they can run at night in my bedroom :p |
| 16:14 | <twb> | SpeedyG: the blue ones are so bright they glow THROUGH two layers of electricians tape |
| 16:14 | <SpeedyG> | computers should just be ledless |
| 16:14 | <twb> | SpeedyG: I disagree |
| 16:15 | <SpeedyG> | or the leds should be coverable |
| 16:15 | <twb> | indicators are useful for emergency diagnostics |
| 16:15 | <twb> | Right, coverable |
| 16:15 | <bob_> | i sleep right next to my computer and the leds on my fans dnt bother me |
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| 16:15 | <SpeedyG> | i've got this ultra-bright blue fancontroller |
| 16:15 | <SpeedyG> | but its nicely covered |
| 16:15 | <SpeedyG> | so my room is dark at night |
| 16:15 | <drone77> | computers should be black holes |
| 16:15 | <SpeedyG> | drone77: financially spoken, they are :p |
| 16:15 | <twb> | I have to put a beanie on my otherise cute and sexy TDK Xa-40 speaker unit to cover up the stupid fucking backlit blue LED |
| 16:16 | <ranix_> | twb: cool |
| 16:16 | <twb> | It's inside the volume knob, so I can't tape over it |
| 16:16 | <Hideo> | twb: play dough |
| 16:16 | <twb> | And the whole unit is sealed without screws, so I can't just cut it out |
| 16:16 | <ranix_> | it's just an led, open it up and fix it |
| 16:16 | <Hideo> | short it lol |
| 16:17 | <ranix_> | or reverse the polarity and see if it changes color |
| 16:17 | <twb> | ranix_: the unit is sealed |
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| 16:17 | <ranix_> | what is a speaker unit anyway, twb |
| 16:17 | <twb> | I don't wanna just hacksaw it open in case the magic acoustic properties escape |
| 16:17 | <twb> | ranix_: it's a cardboard cone with an electromagnet at the apex |
| 16:18 | <twb> | ranix_: you use it to make noises |
| 16:18 | <ranix_> | oh I see |
| 16:18 | <ranix_> | that crazy new kid technology |
| 16:18 | <twb> | The same hardware can also function as a microphone |
| 16:18 | <twb> | Just as a motor is also a thingy |
| 16:18 | <twb> | turbine? |
| 16:18 | <Hideo> | it has rainbows and unicorn in it |
| 16:18 | <drone77> | SpeedyG, no if i was to do that i would replace should with are |
| 16:19 | <twb> | drone77: please, have some commas |
| 16:19 | <xDbr> | the cd1 xfce need another iso image to complete the instalation? |
| 16:19 | <twb> | drone77: I have a whole box |
| 16:19 | <drone77> | twb cool thanks |
| 16:19 | * | drone77 receives commas |
| 16:20 | <drone77> | twb, cool, thanks |
| 16:20 | <ranix_> | use them liberally, but keep track of your apostrophes |
| 16:21 | <twb> | Bleh, it's only 8am and I'm tired |
| 16:21 | <ranix_> | 4:21pm here |
| 16:21 | <ranix_> | did you do the Time Warp |
| 16:21 | <twb> | I guess I haven't had any coffee since 3am |
| 16:21 | <cdlu> | ranix, it's yesterday here. :) |
| 16:21 | <ranix_> | wow |
| 16:22 | <ranix_> | do you have any questions for me and the World of Tomorrow? |
| 16:22 | <bob_> | its like 9:20 pm here |
| 16:22 | <twb> | ranix_: yeah, where's my goddamn flying car |
| 16:22 | <cdlu> | this has the makings of a good joke |
| 16:22 | <drone77> | bob_, sleepy time! |
| 16:22 | <cdlu> | the aussie, the european, and the american were looking at a clock... |
| 16:22 | <ranix_> | twb: gerald ford fucked it up, then the price of gas skyrocketed |
| 16:22 | <ranix_> | next question |
| 16:23 | <bob_> | nah my sleepy time is about 4am |
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| 16:23 | <ranix_> | in the World of Tomorrow, the Year Of the Linux Desktop is 2008 |
| 16:23 | <SpeedyG> | xDbr: depends on what install-options you select I guess |
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| 16:24 | <ranix_> | quick, put me on with PC Magazine |
| 16:24 | <twb> | ranix_: hey hey, maybe your buddies in detroit shouldn't be fighting the new mpg changes |
| 16:24 | <cdlu> | the year of the linux desktop was 1997... but noone's figured it out yet. |
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| 16:24 | <drone77> | who will win the 3:15 at Aintree? (if there is one) |
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| 16:24 | <bob_> | whats next weeks lottery numbers |
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| 16:25 | <twb> | bob_: 1 through 32, same as every other week |
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| 16:25 | <bob_> | wrong its 1 through 49 overhere |
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| 16:26 | <antoine> | does anyone know the commands to dowload ? |
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| 16:26 | <drone77> | wget? |
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| 16:27 | <ranix_> | antoine: wget <url> |
| 16:27 | <ranix_> | or, for more information, man wget |
| 16:27 | <antoine> | ok |
| 16:27 | <antoine> | thanks |
| 16:28 | <ranix_> | you could be more specific to as what you mean by 'download' also |
| 16:28 | <ranix_> | might be able to help more if wget isn't your thing |
| 16:28 | <antoine> | ok |
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| 16:30 | <bob_> | think he wanted to download goatporn thats why he quit when you asked him what he wanted to download :x |
| 16:31 | <drone77> | goatse.cx ? |
| 16:31 | <bob_> | dno |
| 16:31 | <bob_> | google it |
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| 16:32 | <drone77> | dont think I want to google that |
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| 16:51 | <manix> | hello? |
| 16:51 | <ranix_> | hi, manix |
| 16:52 | <manix> | hi I've just started running knoppix and am trying to configure printer, |
| 16:52 | <manix> | is there any help around here? |
| 16:52 | <ranix_> | manix: that's pretty cool, but this is #debian |
| 16:52 | <manix> | Doh |
| 16:52 | <manix> | sorry |
| 16:52 | <ranix_> | np |
| 16:52 | <ranix_> | I can still help |
| 16:52 | <ranix_> | grab an iso from debian.org |
| 16:52 | <manix> | thank the maker |
| 16:52 | <JasonS> | ranix_: heh |
| 16:52 | <ranix_> | that'll fix your knoppix problem |
| 16:53 | <manix> | ahh wll pop over there now. Will I need to run debian separately |
| 16:53 | <ranix_> | it's a good idea |
| 16:53 | <JasonS> | manix: just install debian to the drive and your all set |
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| 16:54 | <twb> | !tell manix about knoppix |
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| 16:56 | <manix> | am in knoppix at the moment |
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| 16:56 | <manix> | oh sorry dude |
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| 16:56 | <manix> | no hard drvie plugged in lol |
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| 16:56 | <JasonS> | manix: heh ya that could be a problem |
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| 16:56 | <ranix_> | that will limit your options |
| 16:56 | <manix> | darn |
| 16:57 | <JasonS> | manix: /join #knoppix then, i think its on freenode mind you |
| 16:57 | <manix> | have quite a large amount of ram |
| 16:57 | <manix> | 1 gig |
| 16:57 | <ranix_> | or you can have fun with >file | /dev/lpt0 |
| 16:57 | <JasonS> | manix: just curious, but why no drive? |
| 16:57 | <ranix_> | if your printer supports postscript you could make your own driver in perl |
| 16:57 | <manix> | ok will do |
| 16:58 | <manix> | mashed up drive with ubuntu |
| 16:58 | <manix> | sad story |
| 16:58 | <manix> | had an external hard drive |
| 16:58 | <JasonS> | how did you physically damage a drive installing ubuntu? |
| 16:58 | <ranix_> | it fell off the table when he went to put in the cd |
| 16:58 | <manix> | ran it from external with internal windows disc plugged in. |
| 16:59 | <lupine_85> | threw it out of the window in frustration, trying to get lvm working? |
| 16:59 | <manix> | lol |
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| 16:59 | <lupine_85> | seriously. the alternate CD doesn't play well with LVM, and the normal CD doesn't touch it at all |
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| 17:00 | <manix> | lol will beware of lvm then |
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| 17:00 | <ranix_> | I wouldn't know, I've installed ubuntu a grand total of two times |
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| 17:00 | <lupine_85> | LVM is great. It's Ubuntu that sucks |
| 17:00 | <manix> | oh |
| 17:00 | <manix> | what is lvm |
| 17:00 | <manix> | ? |
| 17:00 | <ranix_> | I think I used faggoty fox once and whorey hedgehog once |
| 17:00 | <lupine_85> | !lvm |
| 17:00 | <dpkg> | somebody said lvm was at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 17:00 | <ranix_> | logical volume management |
| 17:01 | <lupine_85> | and FYI, that's /very/ sexy |
| 17:01 | <ranix_> | really? I've never used lvm |
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| 17:01 | <manix> | ahhh logical volume management |
| 17:01 | <Mr-R> | where is good old sistina? |
| 17:02 | <ranix_> | it frightened me to think about restoring an lvm controlled server that had a total disaster |
| 17:02 | <lupine_85> | this is what regular backups are for |
| 17:02 | <ranix_> | I back up with dump and restore |
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| 17:02 | <ranix_> | good old full filesystem dump |
| 17:02 | <lupine_85> | lvm is awesome if you're like me and have a load of spare hard drives sat around |
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| 17:03 | <ranix_> | I just raid0 |
| 17:03 | <ranix_> | slightly less safe than jbod |
| 17:03 | <ranix_> | but easier and slightly faster |
| 17:04 | <ranix_> | it screams when I'm running quickpar or unpacking an iso |
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| 17:04 | <stroyan> | ranix_: "Total disaster" is a crashed hard drive? Or building burned down? Once you are restoring from backups I don't see any effect from LVM. |
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| 17:04 | <koollman> | raid0 is not as modifiable as lvm. can't easily add and remove differently sized disks |
| 17:04 | <ranix_> | total disaster as in the server melted down, I bought new parts, and have to restore, stroyan |
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| 17:04 | <stroyan> | stroyan: Then I don't see how LVM affects the backups. |
| 17:05 | <koollman> | well ... make sure you backup useful things, then :) |
| 17:05 | <koollman> | in a 'normal' case, you would need some idea on the partition table |
| 17:05 | <koollman> | with lvm, you need a listing of logical volumes |
| 17:05 | <manix> | how do I get to freenode guys? |
| 17:06 | <ranix_> | I use raid0 at home and raid1/raid5 on two workhorses |
| 17:06 | <ranix_> | I didn't know LVM was as simple as it seems to be |
| 17:06 | <ranix_> | I guess it's transparent to Dump |
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| 17:08 | <brif8> | anyone got sid GeForce 6200 and Dual Monitors |
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| 17:09 | <brif8> | no matter what I try for xorg.conf I can't get dual montiors to work (they did with Ubuntu) but not since I switched. So I know it's a config setting |
| 17:10 | <ranix_> | are you using the nvidia drivers, or the open source nv driver |
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| 17:10 | <brif8> | nv at the moment, It had an error with nvidia |
| 17:11 | <jeromegamez> | Greetings! I am quite new to server administration and Debian, but I get it managed. Now I have the following question: I have installed spamassassin via apt-get, but now I am thinking about upgrading it to the latest version. Is it safe to do a manual install? Do I have to uninstall the apt-get version first? |
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| 17:11 | <ranix_> | jeromegamez: you are safe to apt-get install spamassassin again to upgrade |
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| 17:12 | <brif8> | ranix_: Failed to load module nvidia modules does not exist |
| 17:12 | <ranix_> | brif8: you don't have the driver properly installed |
| 17:12 | <ranix_> | brif8: I managed to install it with a faq from google a couple times |
| 17:13 | <jeromegamez> | ranix_: The debian package is older than the version provided on the spamassassin web page, that's why I'm asking. |
| 17:13 | <ranix_> | there's a "debian way" and a "wrong way" to do it, you want to try to do it the "debian way" with module-assistant or something |
| 17:13 | <KaiSVK> | ok folks |
| 17:13 | <KaiSVK> | I gotto go sleep |
| 17:13 | <KaiSVK> | good bye |
| 17:13 | <JasonS> | jeromegamez: dont worry about it, the debian version isnt the latest and greatest but it has security updates |
| 17:13 | <ranix_> | jeromegamez: I wouldn't upgrade to the one on the spamassassin webpage unless you have a good reason |
| 17:13 | <brif8> | ranix_: what was you keyword search I have looked and followed many google searches none worked so far |
| 17:14 | <jeromegamez> | ranix_: okay, thank you for your advice. i will follow that :) |
| 17:14 | <ranix_> | brif8: don't recall. |
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| 17:14 | <ranix_> | jeromegamez: don't forget clamav, freshclam, and greylistd |
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| 17:15 | <JasonS> | and others depending on the mta installed |
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| 17:16 | <jeromegamez> | ranix_: you are very friendly :). i have also installed trac with apt-get, but there was a much newer version with enhanced features on the developer page, so i installed that with ruby. do you consider that a problem for later upgrades? i suppose that i will have to do all upgrades manually now. |
| 17:17 | <ranix_> | jeromegamez: I'm a troll, actually. I haven't tried trac |
| 17:17 | <brif8> | ranix_: are you still using it now ? could you share your xorg.conf |
| 17:17 | <jeromegamez> | ranix_: lol? okay :) |
| 17:17 | <jeromegamez> | ? = ! |
| 17:17 | <ranix_> | sorry brif8, that was on my laptop at work, I literally just got home 15 minutes ago |
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| 17:17 | <ranix_> | bad timing :( |
| 17:18 | <ranix_> | if you're still having problems tomorrow I can stick it somewhere for you |
| 17:18 | <ranix_> | I think it is actually a geforce6200 or 6300 |
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| 17:36 | <rainrunner87> | Would anyone be able to help me decide between PLD and Debian? |
| 17:37 | <JasonS> | rainrunner87: hmm, you're in #debian so what do you think we'll say :) |
| 17:37 | <rainrunner87> | JasonS: You'll enlighten me on the advantages Debian has that I might not have been able to find on my own? |
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| 17:38 | <JasonS> | rainrunner87: actually id point you to ##linux or to the repective distro websites |
| 17:39 | <JasonS> | !why debian |
| 17:39 | <dpkg> | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 17:40 | <Supaplex> | because it RAWKZ :) |
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| 17:41 | <dondelelcaro> | rainrunner87: we'd have to know way more about PLD than any of us know to point out feature differentials |
| 17:41 | <dondelelcaro> | (otherwise we could talk for hours about why you should use Debian) |
| 17:41 | <dkr> | rainrunner87: distrowatch.com has a decent rundown of distro differencexs/features |
| 17:42 | <silensius> | is it possible to downgrade from sdi to etch ? |
| 17:42 | <silensius> | sid |
| 17:43 | <rainrunner87> | Alas. Ok, I've been reading the distro sites, as well as a couple comparison sites (including distrowatch), but I'm just still having trouble deciding. I was just hoping someone would know something about compensating for the slightly slower speed that the comparison sites report about Debian, especially as compared to a more optimized distro like PLD. |
| 17:43 | <dondelelcaro> | silensius: it is, but it's not supported. |
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| 17:44 | <Supaplex> | !tell silensius -about downgrade |
| 17:45 | <rainrunner87> | I love everything about Debian (currently using Ubuntu, decided I want more control over my computer and more options), but I love everything about PLD too. I just really like the size of the Debian community as compared to the small PLD community. The only thing PLD's got that I'm wondering about is their supposedly extraordinarily elegant boot-up scripts and speed. |
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| 17:45 | <JasonS> | rainrunner87: but once you boot up the first time who cares how fast it is? |
| 17:45 | <dkr> | rainrunner87: I doubt you would ever notice a speed difference in actual usage your bottlenecks are more i/o and device polling than they are cpu optimizations |
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| 17:46 | <Supaplex> | rainrunner87: what's this reboot thing you speak of? |
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| 17:46 | <Nemoder> | rainrunner87: you can save a lot on bootup time just by building your own custom kernel no matter what distro you go with |
| 17:46 | <dkr> | "non-conservative approach to RPM usage" sounds scary :) |
| 17:46 | <Nemoder> | and debian has excellent built scripts to make that rather painless |
| 17:47 | <Tarca1> | Supaplex: Reboot: Only useful on Windows boxes and any without UPSes |
| 17:47 | <rainrunner87> | Well, I'm using a laptop that I have to periodically shut down and take to class. So bootups are a fact of life sometimes. |
| 17:47 | <bremner> | Tarca1: kernel upgrade? |
| 17:47 | <Tarca1> | Forgot about those, bremner |
| 17:48 | <Supaplex> | awww my awesome headphones are busticated now :`( |
| 17:48 | <Tarca1> | Been too long since I did one. :-( Just built a new server. Once I'm done playing with the RAID, I'll be building a kernel, that may take a few reboots to get right again. |
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| 17:51 | <rainrunner87> | See, the custom-built kernel tip, the i/o bottleneck, those were the kind of tips I'd hoped for. Thanks for the help. |
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| 17:54 | <Tarca1> | custom kernels are great once you've done enough to know the gotchas (examples: Do NOT build your root FS driver as a module, nor the IDE/SCSI/RAID support underlying the disk. Also don't forget to include these as needed. SCSI means much more than just SCSI; you need it for CD-Rs and SATA too.) |
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| 17:56 | <Tarca1> | Once you get one working on your system, upgrades are easy too. Copy the config from the old version and run through it again changing anything new. You're much less likely to forget something that way. |
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| 17:59 | <Tarca1> | Hardware question (on a Linux box) |
| 17:59 | <Tarca1> | Is 58.82 degrees C unusually high for an ICH8R chipset? |
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| 18:01 | <dkr> | yes |
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| 18:07 | <Tarca1> | dkr: Thanks. Any suggestions? Maybe an old small CPU fan to retrofit over it? |
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| 18:09 | <sooperkuh> | Tarca1: maybe just peeling off the cooler and putting it on with thermal glue would help |
| 18:09 | <sooperkuh> | if it comes off, that is |
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| 18:11 | <keytrin> | I want a podcatcher that works with Deb Xfce without too many gnome libraries. It needs to manage enclosures ideally. |
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| 18:15 | <Tarca1> | Sooperkuh: Might be a good call. It's an Intel board. The Intel stock cooler that came with it had pads rather than thermal paste. Stands to reason that the board would be designed similarly, and it appears that the cooler (possibly the whole chip) can be removed. There is a ZIF-style lever by it. |
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| 18:15 | <dkr> | Tarca1: there are chipset and northbridge little hsf coolers |
| 18:16 | <sooperkuh> | dkr: but they suck, they are loud, they break when you least need it etc. |
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| 18:16 | <sooperkuh> | i'd try out thermal paste first. passive cooling is soo much better imho |
| 18:16 | <Tarca1> | I'll see what I can do with it as-is. I'll be back. |
| 18:16 | <dkr> | true, my nb hsf is currently the loudest in my system. but I was brqindead and used one that permanently attaches |
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| 18:21 | <Flakk> | hi people does there exist a debian package for stock trading? something like MetaStock or TradeStation, but for debian |
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| 18:24 | <Tarca1> | soopekuh: Just scrape off the glob of pad that's under the heatsink? I sure don't want to be making the thermal layer thicker, and I really don't want to be scraping my northbridge chip. |
| 18:26 | <GoinEasy9> | Flakk: I have an Ameritrade account, their website and trading features all run well under Debian/Linux environment |
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| 18:27 | <Guest2598> | Flakk.. I just googled and got the result "qtstalker". You can verify this in the Debian web site by checking "Debian Packages" |
| 18:28 | <Flakk> | GoinEasy9 - yes I understand this I have a similar thing with a broker but mine in any case is not sufficient |
| 18:28 | <Flakk> | thanx i will try qtstalker |
| 18:28 | <dkr> | GoinEasy9: well, some of the java extra features can be a bit buggy. basic stuff all works though |
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| 18:29 | <Flakk> | I mean my broker just give the prophet basic package and that is all |
| 18:29 | <Flakk> | if i want more of course i can subscribe to Prophet |
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| 18:30 | <GoinEasy9> | dkr: java stuff is buggy..but has gotten better over time. |
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| 18:31 | <Flakk> | oh good the qtstalker seems nice - I tried the xtrade but it is not free, and itrade is not yet ready to use |
| 18:31 | <Flakk> | thanx |
| 18:31 | <Flakk> | I will try |
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| 18:32 | <geresen> | stoned debain |
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| 18:33 | <Maulkin> | Erm, what? |
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| 18:36 | <geresen> | anyone interested in computer forensics? |
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| 18:41 | <electrogimp> | hello, anyone free to help with a webcam driver question? |
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| 18:50 | <Maulkin> | !ask |
| 18:50 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:56 | <electrogimp> | i have a problem with pwc (philips webcam driver) - oddly enough got it working the other day but hasn't worked since |
| 18:57 | <electrogimp> | have tried both loadable module, and compiled into kernel - dmesg shows debug output from driver, but /dev/video0 doesn't get created |
| 18:57 | <electrogimp> | i gather it might be a udev issue but i'm clueless in that area |
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| 19:05 | <profobofucho> | hello, i have an 845G intel graphic integrated car, is there a way of activate direct rendering? |
| 19:05 | <lupine_85> | use the intel driver |
| 19:05 | <profobofucho> | i'm using driver i810 |
| 19:06 | <profobofucho> | the one provided by debian stable? |
| 19:06 | <lupine_85> | that should give you direct rendering, as long as you're not doing it Wrong |
| 19:06 | <profobofucho> | module "dri" must be loaded? |
| 19:07 | <profobofucho> | i configure it through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:07 | <profobofucho> | do not know what could be doing wrong |
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| 19:08 | <profobofucho> | well, if there should be direct rendering per se then i will try different configurations |
| 19:08 | <lupine_85> | mm. Any error messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 19:08 | <profobofucho> | let me check |
| 19:09 | <profobofucho> | no errors |
| 19:10 | <profobofucho> | (WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f05 failed. |
| 19:11 | <profobofucho> | (EE) AIGLX: DRI module not loaded |
| 19:11 | <profobofucho> | oh, i think i know whats wrong |
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| 19:14 | <twb> | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 19:14 | <profobofucho> | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_$(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
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| 19:15 | <profobofucho> | that's it |
| 19:15 | <profobofucho> | why could that happen? |
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| 19:16 | <profobofucho> | perhaps wrong path? |
| 19:16 | <profobofucho> | let mebuild db |
| 19:16 | <Munkie> | After installing new programs in Debian they do not show up in the (Gnome) menu forcing me to remember what I installed instead of just looking at my application menu. Is there any (easy?) way to get these apps to show up on the menu? I have also tried slab but that seems quite static too... |
| 19:18 | <profobofucho> | it seems that i do not have dri |
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| 19:24 | <dkr> | Munkie: they show up in the menu right away for me. perhaps it is a bug with the particular app this didn't work for you(or the packager never bothered) |
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| 19:28 | <Munkie> | dkr: Some programs (iceweasel, evolution, etc) show up fine, others (Fraqtive, FreeJ, Baobab, DDD, Dragbox) not at all. Could well be an integration thing but I have found an app that answers my needs and shows "all". The Launcher... |
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| 19:30 | <Munkie> | dkr: Could I have a corrupted or biting Gnome config file somewhere that would cause this? |
| 19:30 | <Munkie> | I have no idea which config files decide what should show up on the Gnome Applications menu |
| 19:31 | <dkr> | Munkie: I think the package maintainers would have needed to add something to add it to the menus in the install scripts themselves. you could look at the source .deb of one of the packages that does to see how it is done |
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| 19:35 | <rogi_cp1> | hi! i need help with squid. please in portuguese! |
| 19:35 | <avtobiff> | !po |
| 19:35 | <dpkg> | [po] Piss Off or Post Office |
| 19:35 | <avtobiff> | sry |
| 19:35 | <avtobiff> | !br |
| 19:35 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:36 | <avtobiff> | or mabye... |
| 19:36 | <avtobiff> | !pt |
| 19:36 | <dpkg> | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:36 | <avtobiff> | ok. same same. |
| 19:36 | <avtobiff> | i suspected that. |
| 19:37 | <rogi_cp1> | dpkg: sei que é inglês... mas ninguém lá se habilita a transferir e compartilhar conhecimento!!! então estou tentando para ver se alguém entra lá em debian-br para me ajudar! |
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| 19:41 | <dkr> | dpkg es un roboto |
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| 19:43 | <rogi_cp1> | se és un roboto, puedes hablas en español?? |
| 19:43 | <dvs> | !es |
| 19:43 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:44 | <rogi_cp1> | puedes me ajudar con squid?? |
| 19:45 | <dondelelcaro> | rogi_cp1: try asking in #debian-br here or on irc.freenode.net. We can't help you in portugues here. |
| 19:47 | <rogi_cp1> | thaks for all help.... |
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| 19:50 | <Tarcas> | /user |
| 19:51 | <avtobiff> | /admin |
| 19:52 | <Tarcas> | Sorry... just lost my router. Apparely I have a dying hard drive which is why I'm building a new RAID5 server. Anyone know what log to look in for messages about a failing hard drive? I don't see a /var/log/smart.log or anything |
| 19:53 | <Maulkin> | Tarcas: anything in dmesg about I/O error? |
| 19:53 | <Maulkin> | Tarcas: you'll need smartd installed for smart to work |
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| 19:56 | <panagos> | is there a way to monitor net traffic by process? |
| 19:56 | <Tarcas> | Maulkin: I don't see any in the last 100 lines. ext3 did delete some inodes, but there seem to be no timestamps in that log. |
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| 19:57 | <Maulkin> | panagos: ntop, iptraf... |
| 19:57 | <Maulkin> | Tarcas: check /var/log/syslog. Install smartd |
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| 19:59 | <links_Engel> | hi |
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| 20:01 | <Tarcas> | Coulnd't find package smartd |
| 20:03 | <gsimmons> | Tarcas: It's in the 'smartmontools' package. |
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| 20:03 | <Tarcas> | gsimmons, I just found that. Thanks! |
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| 20:08 | <rogi_cps> | j #debian-br |
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| 20:17 | <Tarcas> | Looks like default config should work for smartd? |
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| 20:37 | <panagos> | Maulkin: it seems ntop can't do what i want... |
| 20:37 | <panagos> | i want a program that can display network usage by PROCESS |
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| 20:44 | <avtobiff> | panagos, try jtop |
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| 20:45 | <avtobiff> | panagos, i mean jnettop (and it is implemented-in::c despite its name) |
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| 20:45 | <avtobiff> | captain jean-luc picard |
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| 20:45 | <panagos> | heh |
| 20:45 | <avtobiff> | panagos, but i think that jnettop is what you have a craving for |
| 20:45 | <panagos> | avtobiff: ok, i'll have a look :) |
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| 20:48 | <dcpurton> | Does anyone happen to know if it's possible to transfer a wireless key from one gnome keyring to another? |
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| 20:49 | <Tarcas> | Your keyring should be private-key specific, so probably not, but I'm not an authority on how keyrings are implemented. |
| 20:51 | <avtobiff> | dcpurton, gpg --export --armor keybla > wirelesskey.asc |
| 20:51 | <avtobiff> | dcpurton, gpg --import wirelesskey.asc |
| 20:51 | <avtobiff> | should work |
| 20:51 | <avtobiff> | or what do you mean by differenc keyrings? |
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| 20:53 | <panagos> | avtobiff: that's cool, if only it could also show the process operating on each port... |
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| 20:53 | <dcpurton> | avtobiff: if you use libpam-gnome-keyring a keyring at ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring is unlocked and network manager stores keys in it |
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| 20:54 | <dcpurton> | avtobiff: previous bersions used to use ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring |
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| 20:56 | <dcpurton> | avtobiff: I have a heap of keys stored in default.keyring, which I have to unlock manually after I've logged in. Defeats the purpose of libpam-gnome-keyring. |
| 20:56 | <dcpurton> | avtobiff: And of course I can't remember all the keys to just delete default.keyring and start again |
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| 20:57 | <luciano_uisk> | hi folks |
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| 20:58 | <luciano_uisk> | just one thing |
| 20:58 | <luciano_uisk> | i am using an wireless card from d-link to connect on a network, wich the router is a d-link too |
| 20:58 | <dcpurton> | atvobiff: They aren't gpg keyrings - or at least the export command you suggested doen't work |
| 20:58 | <luciano_uisk> | sometimes my network falls down, and i dont know if it is because the router or the linux, ... |
| 20:59 | <luciano_uisk> | how can i see this thing? |
| 20:59 | <luciano_uisk> | is there some log file that i can check, or some command? |
| 21:00 | <luciano_uisk> | sometimes i try to access a web page from other PC in the net, hosted in this linux distro, and i cant do it, even if i can see the page in the linux PC, .. |
| 21:00 | <luciano_uisk> | anyone knows some way to check my connection? |
| 21:00 | <luciano_uisk> | i try ping, only |
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| 21:02 | <avtobiff> | dcpurton, i figured :-) |
| 21:02 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, try /var/log/syslog |
| 21:03 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, and check if you loose connection or something there. |
| 21:03 | <luciano_uisk> | sometimes i loose, yes, .. |
| 21:03 | <luciano_uisk> | and i dont know why, .. |
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| 21:03 | <luciano_uisk> | even ping doesnt work, .. |
| 21:04 | <luciano_uisk> | in my local network, .. |
| 21:04 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, check if the interface is up with ifconfig |
| 21:04 | <luciano_uisk> | normally is, .. |
| 21:04 | <avtobiff> | and if it has correct configuration (ip number etc) |
| 21:04 | <luciano_uisk> | what is the difference between dmesg and syslog? |
| 21:07 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, dmesg only prints the message buffer from the kernel. |
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| 21:07 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, in short. syslog reports more in depth |
| 21:07 | <luciano_uisk> | and syslog? |
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| 21:07 | <luciano_uisk> | ah, ... |
| 21:08 | <luciano_uisk> | and other thing, .. |
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| 21:08 | <avtobiff> | there are several logging levels and facilities for the kernel. |
| 21:09 | <luciano_uisk> | in the /etc/inittab i see a line about poweroff, calling a script called "poweroff" |
| 21:09 | <luciano_uisk> | but i didnt see it in my dostro, and not even in other distros |
| 21:09 | <luciano_uisk> | why? |
| 21:09 | <avtobiff> | levels are for instance: info, debug, notice, warning, message etc. and facilities are for instance: daemon, mail, news, auth, kern, lpr, user |
| 21:10 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, i dont quite follow you |
| 21:10 | <luciano_uisk> | ok, .. |
| 21:10 | <avtobiff> | what do you mean? |
| 21:10 | <avtobiff> | i dont have any "poweroff" script in my /etc/inittab |
| 21:10 | <luciano_uisk> | # What to do when the power fails/returns. |
| 21:10 | <luciano_uisk> | pf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start |
| 21:11 | <luciano_uisk> | this script, powerfail, i didnt see in my distro, .. |
| 21:11 | <luciano_uisk> | and i had never seen in any distro, .. |
| 21:11 | <avtobiff> | presumably it is for UPS |
| 21:11 | <luciano_uisk> | is this a script ? |
| 21:11 | <avtobiff> | it is a startup script yes |
| 21:11 | <luciano_uisk> | ups? |
| 21:12 | <avtobiff> | google is your friend mate :-) |
| 21:12 | <avtobiff> | powerthingie .-) |
| 21:12 | <luciano_uisk> | but it isnt in /etc/init.d |
| 21:12 | <luciano_uisk> | ok, thanks, .. |
| 21:12 | <avtobiff> | Uninterruptible Power Supply |
| 21:12 | <luciano_uisk> | well, thanks for the tip of syslog, .. |
| 21:12 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, now. because you probably dont have any ups related packages installed. |
| 21:12 | <avtobiff> | luciano_uisk, if you dont know what an ups is, you dont have it |
| 21:12 | <avtobiff> | i btw have the powerfail etc scripts in my inittab |
| 21:13 | <avtobiff> | i bet they are there for easy "plug and pray" with UPS when installed |
| 21:13 | <luciano_uisk> | this have something to do with those no-breaks that can be monitored with te PC? |
| 21:13 | <avtobiff> | dont know |
| 21:14 | <avtobiff> | i am off to bed now. good luck! |
| 21:14 | <luciano_uisk> | i saw once a no-break manual that said that it had an interface for monitoring viaPC, ... |
| 21:14 | <luciano_uisk> | ok, thanks for all |
| 21:14 | <luciano_uisk> | good night |
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| 21:42 | <antoine> | hi |
| 21:42 | <antoine> | ok |
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| 21:57 | <chump_> | hey guys i was wondering if any had come across a script that goes througha FS directory by directory giving the contents of that drive? |
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| 21:58 | <ranix_> | kind of like du? |
| 21:58 | <ranix_> | lulz |
| 21:58 | <ranix_> | du -h |
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| 22:00 | <Tarcas> | chump, you mean something like ls -r |
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| 22:04 | <chump_> | i think you mean -R but yeah thats exactly what i'm looking for thanks Tarcas |
| 22:04 | <jorje_villafan> | Does anyone have any idea why my debian etch would randomly freeze |
| 22:04 | <jorje_villafan> | I have had it for 4 days and it has froze six times |
| 22:06 | <jorje_villafan> | when it freezes I have to power off from the box and after that it runs crummy |
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| 22:06 | <jorje_villafan> | I have reinstalled 3 times |
| 22:07 | <chump_> | hmm have you done a mem text? |
| 22:07 | <jorje_villafan> | I don't know what that is |
| 22:07 | <jorje_villafan> | I am extremely new to linux |
| 22:08 | <jorje_villafan> | I was going to try a rescue but I came to a page that I do not under stand |
| 22:09 | <kmap_lab> | How do I make the DejaVu fonts appear in the output of xlsfonts? I wish to use it in my XTerm. |
| 22:10 | <kmap_lab> | The ttf-dejavu package is installed, and the font is accessible from X applications |
| 22:11 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafan: What page? |
| 22:13 | <chump_> | errr mem test** |
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| 22:13 | <chump_> | sorry i was watching the basketball game haha |
| 22:13 | <jorje_villafan> | "enter a device you wish to use as your root file system" |
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| 22:14 | <jorje_villafan> | it gives a list of 7 things |
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| 22:14 | <Tarcas> | The root file system is what's mounted as /. Unlike Windows you don't have C:\ and D:\, you just have /, and all your devices are mounted within that directory tree. It wants to know what partition to use as the root directory. |
| 22:15 | <chump_> | hey guys i had some issues last time i tried to install windows ona system i already had linux on, so as a refresher i installed linux on the back portion of the drive and left the front(40 gigs) empty as long as install windows i can then reinstall grub and it will run correct? |
| 22:15 | <Tarcas> | When you installed Etch, you told it to partition your drives (or use them as they were) but you also told it where to mount each. Choose the one you told it to use as / |
| 22:17 | <Tarcas> | chump_, yes. I recommend having Windows format the Windows partition, and then install Linux and grub after that, but if Linux is already there, it should work fine if you just reinstall grub. |
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| 22:17 | <jorje_villafan> | which selection should I choose |
| 22:18 | <Tarcas> | Choose the same one that you chose when you first installed. |
| 22:19 | <chump_> | Tarcas: yeah i'm really a fan the install i have going on right now haha |
| 22:19 | <Tarcas> | I could guess, but only the correct answer will work. |
| 22:19 | <jorje_villafan> | It doesn't give the same options |
| 22:19 | <Tarcas> | what options is it giving? |
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| 22:21 | <jorje_villafan> | it gives dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
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| 22:22 | <Tarcas> | Oh, my, it's using the 2.6 kernel path. Will it let you cd to /dev/ and look around? |
| 22:22 | <jorje_villafan> | I don't know |
| 22:23 | <jorje_villafan> | I do I find out |
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| 22:23 | <jorje_villafan> | woops, how do I find out |
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| 22:24 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafan: at the command prompt type: cd /dev |
| 22:24 | <Tarcas> | do you know what device you originally told it to use? |
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| 22:25 | <jorje_villafan> | I am in the boot rescue mode |
| 22:26 | <jorje_villafan> | I can't type anything |
| 22:26 | <Tarcas> | can you press alt-F2 to get to another console? |
| 22:27 | <jorje_villafan> | yup |
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| 22:27 | <Tarcas> | log in and do your commands from here. To get back to where you started press alt-F1 |
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| 22:29 | <jorje_villafan> | so reboot the system, and login as I normaly would do? |
| 22:29 | <Tarcas> | I thought it wouldn't boot? |
| 22:30 | <jorje_villafan> | It will boot, but will misbehave, then crash after a few minutes |
| 22:30 | <Tarcas> | Stick with the rescue mode for now. |
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| 22:31 | <jorje_villafan> | k |
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| 22:32 | <jorje_villafan> | so should I stay on the busy box screen? |
| 22:32 | <Tarcas> | I'm used to the CLI. Go to console 2 and we'll try to find the info you need. |
| 22:33 | <jorje_villafan> | I am there |
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| 22:34 | <Tarcas> | ok, cd /dev and then ls -al|more -- What you're looking for is the device that you mounted as root at install time. |
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| 22:34 | <Tarcas> | it'll likely look like sda1 or hda1 |
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| 22:35 | <Tarcas> | Do you know which device you'd used as root? |
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| 22:37 | <hax> | is there anything that will eventually preclude me from upgrading from etch to whatever the next stable version is when it comes out? and do it live? ... apparently i can't do centos4->5 without physically being at the server |
| 22:37 | <Tarcas> | hax: all you have to do is change your apt source to the newer version, i.e. from stable to testing, or from etch to lenny. Upgrading is easy, downgrading is not. |
| 22:37 | <hax> | Tarcas: alright, that's what i thought |
| 22:38 | <hax> | just thought i'd be sure |
| 22:38 | <Tarcas> | hax: after that, just do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:38 | <hax> | Tarcas: ok cool, i know that's how it used to be, wasn't sure if it changed somewhere |
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| 22:41 | <Tarcas> | hax: I don't know of any change. That's how I upgraded from Sarge to Etch. Ran into a couple of issues with config file changes and new kernel versions switching my NICs around, but I think that was about it. |
| 22:41 | <jorje_villafan> | ok, I found hda1 |
| 22:42 | <hax> | Tarcas: sounds good to me |
| 22:42 | <jorje_villafan> | that is the one I should choose on the othe page? |
| 22:43 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafa: okay, what's the link beside it. should be something like what you'd typed above: /dev/ide/host0/part0...... |
| 22:43 | <jorje_villafan> | yes |
| 22:43 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafa, yes. If hda1 is what you'd chosen before as /, the path beside that link it is what to choose. |
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| 22:45 | <jorje_villafan> | it gives me 5 options? |
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| 22:45 | <Tarcas> | pick exactly what was beside the symlink for hda1. |
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| 22:45 | <Tarcas> | should be the one with all the lowest numbers. |
| 22:46 | <jorje_villafan> | Sorry, I already did that I am on the next screen |
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| 22:46 | <Tarcas> | I don't know where you are. If you need help choosing me the right answer, you'll have to give me the question. ;-) |
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| 22:48 | <jorje_villafan> | the options are: execute shell in /dev/ide/host0...........,execute a shell in installer enviroment, reinstall grub boot loader, choose a different root file system, and reboot the system |
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| 22:50 | <Tarcas> | um... Go for the first one to make sure that's your correct root filesystem. I'd hate to have told you that you should mount /boot or your swap partition as root. |
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| 22:57 | <jorje_villafan> | ok, I have a blue screen with a command prompt at the bottom |
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| 22:59 | <Tarcas> | blue? What's it say? |
| 23:01 | <jorje_villafan> | the screen is blank with "sh-3.1#" at the bottom |
| 23:01 | <jorje_villafan> | oh and it says "rescue mode" at the top |
| 23:02 | <Tarcas> | okay. Check out your file system. Make sure it looks right. See if you're missing any files or directories that you know of. (cd /home/[your user id] should be pretty telling. |
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| 23:08 | <jorje_villafan> | when I type "cd /home" nothing happens |
| 23:08 | <Supaplex> | 'nothing'? |
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| 23:08 | <Supaplex> | did you press enter? is the cursor suspended in mid air? |
| 23:08 | <Supaplex> | I don't get how "nothing" actually happens. |
| 23:08 | <jorje_villafan> | when I type "cd /home/jonathan" I get "no such file or directory" |
| 23:09 | <Supaplex> | try ls -la /home |
| 23:09 | <jorje_villafan> | ok something happened there |
| 23:10 | <Tarcas> | Good sign, what happened? |
| 23:10 | <jorje_villafan> | I get "total 2" |
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| 23:10 | <jorje_villafan> | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 jan 5 00:57 |
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| 23:11 | <jorje_villafan> | drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 1024 jan 5 01"11.. |
| 23:11 | <jorje_villafan> | thats it |
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| 23:12 | <barbie_girlz> | HI |
| 23:12 | <jorje_villafan> | oh, and there is 1 . after the 00:57 |
| 23:12 | <Supaplex> | looks like an empty /home to me. do you have a seperate filesystem that's suppose to be mounted there? cat /proc/partitions (and DO NOT paste it here, use a paste site like rafb.net/paste if you're so inclined) |
| 23:13 | <barbie_girlz> | OH,REALLY |
| 23:13 | <Supaplex> | barbie_girlz: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 23:13 | <barbie_girlz> | NO |
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| 23:15 | <chump_> | barbie_girlz: what are you ina debian chat room for then? |
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| 23:19 | <jorje_villafan> | welli typed it in with no luck |
| 23:20 | <jorje_villafan> | it says nosuch file or directory |
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| 23:20 | <tratorama> | hi! |
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| 23:21 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafan: "cd /etc" and then "cat fstab | grep home" |
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| 23:22 | <Tarcas> | the result from that you may paste here. |
| 23:22 | <Tarcas> | it should be either one line or none. |
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| 23:25 | <jorje_villafan> | it says nosuch file or directory| grep home" i got |
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| 23:26 | <jorje_villafan> | this /dev/hda9 ?home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 23:27 | <Tarcas> | that doesn't sound like you typed the command right. if you type "cat fstab" from the /etc directory, what do you see? |
| 23:27 | <Tarcas> | AH! |
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| 23:28 | <jorje_villafan> | sorry that previous line got messed up |
| 23:28 | <Tarcas> | Okay, you'll need to mount that before you can browse /home. The fact that the /etc/fstab file is even THERE indicates that you have the correct / mounted. Okay, you should be able to go back to your rescue program and install grub or whatever it is that you need to do from there. |
| 23:28 | <Tarcas> | Root problem is crashing followed by slowness, however, correct? |
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| 23:29 | <jorje_villafan> | yeah, crash, then not as much slow as just bad behaviour, then crash |
| 23:31 | <jorje_villafan> | the page I am on now the part of the rescue progam |
| 23:31 | <chump_> | for some reason mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt/temp is asking for a file system even though it hasn't asked me for this before but mount has done this on every fs i try and use |
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| 23:36 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafan: If you have a CD burner, get out a blank CD and google "memtest86+" and download it and burn a CD. Boot your flakey Linux box off of that and let it run overnight. If it shows errors, you have bad memory. Bad behavior often comes from RAM or power problems, and RAM is the easier of the two to diagnose. |
| 23:36 | <Tarcas> | "bad" as in unusual, unexpected, atypical, and generally bizarre. |
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| 23:39 | <jorje_villafan> | windows will blend or be empty, then when I run my mouse over windows, the contents start to appear, but still without a background to the window |
| 23:40 | <Tarcas> | chump_, if the device is in your fstab, you shouldn't have to specify more than the device or the mount point. If it's not... I don't think the file system is necessary, it should autodetect. Is sdc2 formatted? |
| 23:41 | <Tarcas> | jorje_villafan: I can't say I've seen that behavior on a Linux box, but it happens under WinVNC all the time when the network can't keep up with what's being sent to the screen, or the refresh isn't set up like it should be. I'm out of my league on Linux graphics issues, but the memtest still wouldn't hurt. |
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| 23:45 | <jorje_villafan> | Well thank you for your assistance. I wiil get that cd and run it tonight. |
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| 23:47 | <jorje_villafan> | I just want to say that I have been on this debiian channel twice and you guys have been super helpful |
| 23:47 | <jorje_villafan> | Good night |
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