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00:00<imperia>what was the command for checking the version?
00:00<kop>RIVE : Dunno. grepping for safe in the etch aptitude man page gets nothing.
00:01<imperia>debian:~# cat /etc/debian_version
00:01<kop>imperia : cat /etc/debian_version
00:01<imperia>lenny/sid
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00:03<RIVE>kop: I always use update wihtout the "safe" and for now did't had any problems.
00:06<imperia>with aptitude or apt-get?
00:06<RIVE>aptitude
00:06<imperia>it should be the same
00:06<imperia>but my aptitude says that
00:07<imperia>W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead.
00:07<RIVE>That's the massege.
00:08<kop>They probably mean it then.
00:08<jello>aptitude != apt-get
00:09<RIVE>Which are the diferences jello?
00:10<jello>RIVE: too many to list...
00:10<javo>there are 2 different front-end applications for apt
00:10<javo>these are... sorry
00:10<jello>RIVE: in general, aptitude is usually recommended for daily use
00:10<RIVE>Wich is the most?
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00:12<jiminy>I'm running a Lenny KDE install on an Apple PowerBook G4 12", and sound has abruptly stopped working. At startup, pbbuttonsd complains it can't find /dev/mixer, and aRts complains it can't find /dev/dsp (in both cases, ls -l can't find them either). KInfoCenter and lspci can't find any sound hardware at all on the computer. I've tried reinstalling aRts and libasound2, without any luck. Help!
00:12<jello>jiminy: what have you changed?
00:12<jello>new kernel?
00:12<javo>RIVE: all of these are good, apt-get is text based an you run it by shell
00:13<javo>aptitude has a text-interface
00:13<javo>and its easy for browse on packages
00:13<jiminy>jello: Nothing, AFAICT. I've gone back through the APT logs, and can't see anything sound-related. I'm running the normal Lenny kernel, and haven't messed with it.
00:13<RIVE>Yes have use aptitude in text, sometimes i'm lost with the options but have always figure what to do.
00:14<javo>i also use adept-manager, is a graphic interface for kde and is very visual
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00:15<javo>also exists synaptic, i think it comes instaled with the distribution too
00:15<javo>is similar to adept
00:15<jello>jiminy: what does `amixer info
00:15<RIVE>I use Gnome.
00:15<jello>say?
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00:16<jello>RIVE: try gnome-apt
00:16<jiminy>jello: "-su: amixer: command not found"
00:17<RIVE>jello, that's what i like of Debian, their packge managers.
00:17<jello>jiminy: it's in alsa-utils
00:19<jiminy>jello: cheers, will give that a try
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00:22<jiminy>jello: "amixer: Control device default open error: No such device"
00:23<jello>hmm, check dmesg to see if the device was detected on boot
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00:30<jiminy>jello: doesn't look like it; I can't find anything there about sound, not even an error message
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00:30<jello>bad hardware *shrug*
00:30<jello>?
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00:31<Requiem>great, so I'm stuck on stable, possibly for a long time
00:32<jiminy>jello: Possibly. But it still works on Mac OS X (I dual-boot). Ah well, that's life. Thanks for your help.
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00:38<Aaron>Ok so I'm trying to install vmware player on Debian linux (basic install from the netinst iso) and im going through the setup etc..., but I'm getting stuck on a particular error message "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]". This directory doesn't exist and I can't find these "C header files" elsewhere.
00:39<xemacs>apt-get install kernel-src
00:39<HennaX>Aaron: you need the kernel headers, best is you throw the meta package build-essential on there
00:40<jello>Aaron: apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
00:41<Aaron>can u give an example of that syntax with some prepopulated information so I get an idea of what that command is trying to do?
00:41<Requiem>hmm, how do I edit grub to ensure a given kernel boots, even if it's the old version?
00:42<Odd_Bloke>Aaron: That is the command you run. You can run 'uname -r' yourself to see what will be substituted.
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00:43<Aaron>"Couldn't find package build-essential"
00:44<jello>Requiem: /boot/menu/grub.lst
00:44<jello>Aaron: really??
00:44<HennaX>Aaron: what distribution?
00:44<jello>Aaron: lsb_release -d
00:45<Aaron>command not found
00:45<HennaX>Aaron: what distribution?
00:45<jello>g'nite all
00:45<Aaron>checking...
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00:46<Requiem>jello: non existant file and folder
00:46<Aaron>I installed it from this iso image: debian-40r2-amd64-netinst.iso from this url: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/amd64/iso-cd/
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00:47<HennaX>Aaron: and did you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to access online resources?
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00:47<Aaron>No, I did not.
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00:48<HennaX>Aaron: the netinstall only provides minimal packages. compilers, kernel headers and such things is not on there
00:48<Aaron>im in that file and theres 2 lines:
00:48<Aaron>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
00:48<Aaron>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
00:50<Aaron>Yes I understand that, but my intention behind using the netinstall is so that i can add only the required elements necessary to run a particular program so that there is minimal overhead
00:50<HennaX>additionally, you need "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main contrib"
00:51<HennaX>and the same for "deb-src"
00:51<hax>how would i use chmod with ACLs in debian?
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00:51<HennaX>also useful to add "non-free" at the end as additional repository
00:51<HennaX>Aaron: instead of "us" for USA you can use a mirror that is close to you. the website has a list
00:52<Aaron>change the 2 lines in that file to: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main contrib" and "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main contrib" correct?
00:52<murgatroyd>Greetings... I am trying to tame some non-debian (proprietary, binary) software by encapsulating them in .deb's...
00:52<HennaX>not changing, adding. cause what is already in there is required for security updates
00:53<Aaron>adding...(and Im in US btw so i dont need to change those :P)
00:53<murgatroyd>I'm looking for tools to trace what happens during the regular install process so I know what to put in the package.
00:53<HennaX>i forgot which tool provided that auto generation of /etc/apt/sources.list
00:53<murgatroyd>Anyone got any ideas?
00:54<HennaX>maybe it was base-config
00:54<HennaX>am a bit rusty
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00:59<HennaX>Aaron: what i just see is that a package called "vmware-package" exists that would install all required dependencies and assist you in building a deb package of vmware-server or vmware-player
00:59<Aaron>Ok I'm so terribly bad with vi so that took forever, but i added those 2 lines
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01:00<hasan>hi
01:00<hasan>any body will help me loading sype in linux
01:00<HennaX>Aaron: then "apt-get update" to update the package lists
01:00<Aaron>so theres a package that holds all the dependencies necessary to run vmware somewhere i can download?
01:01<Aaron>Because I downloaded the software off of vmwares site.
01:01<HennaX>Aaron: i am not exactly sure, but you could have a look at the package via "apt-cache show vmware-package"
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01:02<Aaron>No such file or directory
01:02<HennaX>did you "apt-get update"?
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01:03<Aaron>yea i did, but i think some things errored
01:03<Aaron>not sure
01:04<Aaron>Is there a way I could manually download some of these things? I'll probably need to later anyways
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01:05<HennaX>downloading dependencies manually can be a pain
01:05<HennaX>i would work on the proper /etc/apt/sources.list
01:06<Hideo>Aaron: do tell what the errors were though, you're acting like it's nothing and we can just ignore it
01:06<HennaX>when you install things via "apt-get install" you get no package more than you need
01:06<gsimmons>!vmware-package
01:06<dpkg>vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for lenny and sid - which provides a 'make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. See also <vmware support>.
01:06<Aaron>Its cause theres alot...
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01:06<Aaron>for example:
01:06<gsimmons>Aaron, HennaX: Note that is not available in Etch.
01:06<HennaX>oh thats not even in Etch, i am sorry Aaron
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01:07<HennaX>but the very first step is to have the proper /etc/apt/sources.list followed by an "apt-get update" that works
01:07<HennaX>without that you dont need to poke anything else
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01:07<Hideo>!tell Aaron about paste
01:07<Aaron>on 2 dif comps...so i'm typing these errors out lol, but let me start typing some
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01:08<HennaX>oh i see
01:08<Aaron>Err http://ftp.us.debian.org /etch/main Sources
01:08<HennaX>yes, improper line
01:08<HennaX>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main contrib non-free
01:08<Aaron>Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
01:09<Aaron>thats like 2 of them out of 10+
01:09<Hideo>look for the Err lines
01:09<HennaX>hang on a moment
01:11<HennaX>Aaron: here is an example how it should look like: http://paste.debian.net/46818
01:11<HennaX>line 5 and 6 are for multimedia related stuff that you could possibly need or not
01:11<HennaX>video codecs, stuff like that
01:11<Hideo>I think you should copy that down verbatim
01:12<Aaron>i dont really want to type that into vi, im so bad at it it takes me 5 min to do like 2 lines >.<
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01:13<Odd_Bloke>Aaron: Press 'i' before starting to type. Press 'Esc' when you're finished.
01:13<HennaX>Aaron: try on that etch machine if "apt-setup" is available. that should generate you such a file
01:14<HennaX>Aaron: and try "nano" instead. that editor is much easier to handle
01:14<Aaron>Just to make sure we arent digressing too much, I did actually download some supposed headers but they do not work here is the exact error message i get when I point the install path to them:
01:15<Aaron>gcc-4.1: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
01:15<HennaX>Aaron: forget this manual downloading
01:15<Aaron>The directory of kernel headers (version ) does not match your running kernel
01:15<Aaron>(version 2.6.18-5-amd64). Even if the module were to compile successfully, it
01:15<Aaron>would not load into the running kernel.
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01:16<HennaX>you are too stubborn to do the first step right before you care about the later steps
01:16<Aaron>No, I actually failed to inform you that I had already tried this prior to today earlier
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01:18<HennaX>after a netinstall you need working access to online repositories before anything else
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01:31<Aaron>ok so those line entrys you said to copy and use exactly as is for my sources.list, i just finally got done doing that...
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01:49<miyo>hi, i have a current build of paipix, based on debian.
01:49<miyo>and how do i update the "apt-get" 's list of servers?
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01:50<jm_>you should ask in relevant channels/discussion forums - man sources.list to find out where it is
01:51<miyo>and where do i find the updated list of the server in sources.list?
01:52<jm_>that's where the other part of my statements comes into play - you should ask paipix folks
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01:54<miyo>i see.
01:54<miyo>thank you very much jm_
01:54<jm_>no worries
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02:00<RIVE>Se yountomorrow, take care.
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02:08<alysher>good evening all
02:10<alysher>I have a minor issue with a ddo and grub, can any one help?
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02:12<Requiem>how would I turn acpi off?
02:14<jm_>acpi=off
02:14<Requiem>um
02:14<Requiem>where?
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02:14<hathe>Requiem: grub command line
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02:14<Requiem>how do I automate that?
02:14<hathe>Requiem: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
02:14<streuner>into the bootloader
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02:16<Requiem>put it on its own line?
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02:19<hathe>Requiem: no
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02:20<Requiem>then where?
02:20<hathe>Requiem: read man page for syntax, its a bit confusing as '#' is handled bit different
02:20<Crazy_Diamond>uh?
02:20<hathe>Requiem: search for a kopt line
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02:21<hathe>Requiem: and no, its not commented out even if a # is at the beginning of the line ;)
02:23<Requiem>have the kopt line, still don't see where to add it
02:24<hathe>Requiem: at the end of that line
02:24<hathe>Requiem: kopt handels update-grub, so you need to add acpi=off to you current kernel as well
02:25<Requiem>right, only want to add it to the current kernel
02:25<Requiem>I don't know where to put the command
02:26<hathe>Requiem: you have a 'kernel' line somewhere at the end of that file
02:26<Requiem>right
02:26<Requiem>i want it there?
02:27<hathe>Requiem: yes ;)
02:27<Requiem>alright, see if that works
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02:30<Requiem>thanks
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02:49<screenn>How to listen monkey's audio (ape) format in debian?
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02:58<panagos>to subscribe to a bug means only to receive notifications via mail about its progress?
02:59<panagos>because i received an email from the bts but the To: line doesn't match with my address!
02:59<SixT6> That and more subscribers == higher priority
03:00<jm_>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe
03:00<blarson>SixT6: No, number of subscribers only means number of people who want to get all the mail sent to the bug.
03:01<blarson>panagos: the To: line of mail isn't changed for other receipents.
03:04<blarson>I don't even think there's an easy way to get the number of people subscribed to a bug. And I work on the BTS.
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03:09<panagos>blarson: when somebody subscribes to a bug, what they get by mail is a history of the bug's mail activity? (developer <-> bts, etc)
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03:10<blarson>panagos: No, what you get is future activity. You can get the bug logs off the web.
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03:11<panagos>blarson: i got a mail from owner@bugs.debian.org, with the receiver being the maintainer of the package of which i had subscribed to a bug, is that normal?
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03:12<gsimmons>screenn: ffmpeg added monkey audio decoding last September. Included in MPlayer since 1.0rc2.
03:13<blarson>panagos: Yes, the mail is just copied to the extra recipients, not modified.
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03:15<panagos>blarson: i see. and when someone wants his mail to be resent to a bug's subscribers, he just sends it also to the bts' email? (with From:/To: headers unchanged)
03:17<Gekz>can I use iptables to limit the speed of one users internet connection?
03:18<Gekz>leaving the others untouched?
03:18<blarson>panagos: I ususally put the bug in the to, cc, or bcc on the original mail. Or forward explaining wy I am forwarding.
03:18<jm_>Gekz: yes (not usign just iptables)
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03:18<jm_>using*
03:19<panagos>blarson: with the cc/bcc being what?
03:19<Gekz>jm_: explain
03:20<jm_>Gekz: iptables has owner module, use it to mark packets, then limit them via traffic shaper stuff
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03:20*Gekz blinks
03:20<Gekz>unix networking breaks my balls, it really does
03:20<blarson>panagos: carbon copy, blank carbon copy. (additional recipents shown in headers, not shown) Same as any other email.
03:20<Gekz>thats one of those things I wished I'd never have to learn
03:21<morgan`>hello
03:21<panagos>blarson: no, i mean, what do you put into the cc/bcc lines?
03:21<panagos>:)
03:22<blarson>To send to the bug, NUMBER@bugs.debian.org .
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03:23<panagos>blarson: so, if i add to an email CC: NUMBER@bugs.debian.org, everyone subscribed to that bug gets a copy?
03:23<panagos>or BCC:
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03:25<blarson>panagos: yes
03:25<panagos>blarson: aha, thanks for your time! :D
03:25<blarson>The submitter doesn't unless he subscribed. The maintainer does as well.
03:26<blarson>There are other addresses to change that if desired.
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03:40<Spiritwolf>Why good evening gents.
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03:41<Spiritwolf>So I'm totally trying to install Debian
03:41<Spiritwolf>I'm stuck on "Detect and mount CD-ROM".
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03:46<jm_>you mean the installer is stuck? :)
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03:49<Spiritwolf>um
03:49<Spiritwolf>well it boots fine
03:49<Spiritwolf>then It starts the install, language, country, keyboard layout
03:49<Spiritwolf>then gets to "Detect and mount CD=ROM"
03:49<Spiritwolf>My installation cd rom couldn't be mounted.
03:49<Spiritwolf>The probably means that the CD-Rom was not in the drive.
03:50<jm_>check other ttys if there are any messages for that
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03:51<Spiritwolf>just "Try to mount the CD-ROM again?"
03:51<Spiritwolf>Yes just pops it back up. No brings up installation step failed.
03:51<Spiritwolf>Then takes me to the main menu,
03:52<jm_>no, TTY-s, alt-f3 and alt-f4
03:52<blarson>Spiritwolf: Is it a sata cdrom? what version are you installing?
03:53<Spiritwolf>sec, I'll check.
03:54<jm_>ls /sys/block to see which devices are known by kernel
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03:56<Spiritwolf>Drive is an ASUS DRW-1814BLT ATA Device
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03:57<jm_>it is sata
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03:57<Spiritwolf>No good?
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03:57<blarson>Spiritwolf: Could be your controler is too new for the release you are installing. Mainly applies to sata.
03:58<blarson>Are you installing etch?
03:58<Spiritwolf>debian-31r1-i386-binary-1
03:58<panagos>where on the disk are the contents of the ram stored when i do a hibernate?
03:58<jm_>panagos: usually swap
03:58<jm_>Spiritwolf: get 4.0
03:59<jm_>3.1's not going to work
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03:59<panagos>jm_: so if i have no swap, i can't hibernate?
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03:59<blarson>4.0r2 preferably.
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04:00<Spiritwolf>I'm getting the ISO's off my ISP's free usage site. Just browsing there files now.
04:00<jm_>panagos: no
04:00<Spiritwolf>Debian v4.0 Alpha DVD ISO Disc 1 and Disc 2?
04:01<Spiritwolf>and disc 3
04:01<blarson>Spiritwolf: You probably don't have an alpha.
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04:01<Spiritwolf>Debian v4.0r0 Source DVD ISO Disc 1?
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04:02<blarson>You want i386 . Or maybe amd64. Or the multi-arch dvd.
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04:02<Spiritwolf>Tell ya what, http://files.bigpond.com/library/index.php?go=cat&id=126 is the site
04:02<pusztito>hi all
04:02<Spiritwolf>if you could point it out for me, I would be greatfull :P
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04:04<fatal>Spiritwolf: normally, people just download the network installation cds and use those.... It means the packages you select for installation will be downloaded from the mirror you choose to use. Downloading a full set of cd/dvd images isn't something you normally want unless you don't have a cheap/reliable internet connection.
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04:05<fatal>Spiritwolf: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-businesscard.iso (32MB)
04:05<Spiritwolf>well these ISO's apparently come with everything. Isn't that a good thing?
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04:06*lupine_85 hugs his cheap, reliable internet connection
04:06<lupine_85>also if they happen to have annoying wireless
04:06<blarson>debian-40r2-i386-CD-1.iso
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04:07<blarson>or the dvd version
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04:09<fatal>Spiritwolf: the problem with using the cd images are that you probably don't need more then 5% of the software on the > 20 cd's so downloading them all is a waste of time and bandwidth. Plus you don't get the latest security patched version of the packages from the images.
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04:17<screenn>gsimmons I find monkey's audio lossless audio codec - binary in debian-multimedia repository, but only fro testing distr :(, and how about listen ape in Etch with amarok?
04:19<screenn>gsimmons http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/package/monkeys-audio.php
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04:28<bremner>screenn: I guess those kind of questions should be asked of the debian-multimedia repository maintainer
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04:33<screenn>bremner, maybe anybody in #debian too likes to listen music in highly efficient and popular lossless audio codec :)
04:34<hathe>screenn: as it depends on libc6 2.7 it won't be possible to run it in etch (libc6 2.3)
04:34<hathe>err, it depends in libc6 2.5
04:38<screenn>hathe, etch not contains libc6 (>= 2.5-5) and other dependences, unfortunately
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04:39<hathe>screenn: thats why it won't be possible for you ;(
04:39<jm_>d-m has mplayer for etch too, what's wrong with that?
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04:43<screenn>hathe, but it does not mean that I shall not listen to music in debian, let's search for other way :)
04:44<hathe>screenn: true
04:46<sheldonh>grrr. sales droid telling me he can't supply me with a 4 cpu (8 core) opteron with 2GB of RAM. i hate upselling
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04:47<jm_>why so many CPU-s and so little RAM?
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04:49<SixT6>Ram is for suckas
04:50<bremner>SixT6: and CPUs are for people with an abacus?
04:50<shoot>Hello! I recently got my eyes up for debian and I'm now installing it on my laptop. For the last hour or so it's been stuck in the installation process "preparing libc6" (19%). Is this normal or whats wrong?
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04:52<Knight_Lord>shoot no
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04:52<SeveredCross>Yeah, that ain't right.
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04:53<shoot>Annoying.. I've used my whole weekend trying to get gentoo working on the laptop, now debian
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04:55<SeveredCross>Ew Gentoo.
04:55<shoot>I atleast got past installation ;>
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05:00<bremner>shoot: is the hardware known to be good? Did you try running memtest86 on it
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05:00<shoot>The hardware should be good, but I haven't tested memtest86 yet. (can do though)
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05:01<jm_>also read about various kernel options that help with weird problems (press f1 at initial boot screen)
05:01<bremner>shoot: dunno if it will tell you something, but it doesn't cost much to try
05:01<shoot>Indeed
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05:01<hatter_>is it possible that adding noapic could stop the nics working ?
05:01<bremner>shoot: also, look for discussion of your specific laptop.
05:02<bremner>shoot: e.g. for thinkpads, ThinkWiki.org is the bomb
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05:06<sheldonh>jm_: workaround=weird ;)
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05:12<helldaemon>does anyone have problems with the gcc man pages
05:12<shoot>bremner: seems to have just been some temporary error, got past that now (at 30%)
05:12<helldaemon>when i type
05:12<helldaemon>man 2 printf
05:12<helldaemon>it tells me ... no manual entry
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05:13<jm_>those are not gcc man pages
05:13<helldaemon>ok .... how can i see the man page for printf ?
05:13<helldaemon>or send
05:13<helldaemon>or whetever gcc function is documented ?
05:14<bremner>apt-get install manpages-dev
05:14<jm_>install manpages-dev
05:14<sheldonh>jm_: it's for an asterisk switch. it's a cpu-bound application
05:15<bremner>helldaemon: people will yell at you if you call printf a gcc function :-)
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05:15<helldaemon>bremner: i use it like example
05:15<helldaemon>ok ... i installed manpages-dev
05:15<helldaemon>i typed
05:15<helldaemon>mandb
05:15<helldaemon>and .... still the same
05:16<bremner>man 3 printf
05:16<bremner>?
05:16<helldaemon>omg ...
05:16<helldaemon>sry ... and 10x
05:16<helldaemon>i was working too much in red hat
05:16<helldaemon>there is 2 :)
05:16<bremner>even in red hat, I doubt printf is a system call :-)
05:17<helldaemon>it is not
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05:18<lupine_85>well, RedHat don't do anything right
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05:19<helldaemon>if you say so
05:19<helldaemon>:)
05:19<lupine_85>:p
05:20<bremner>helldaemon: just don't mention ubuntu around here, that gets people really excited
05:20<lupine_85>ZOMG UBUNTU SUX0RZSSS!!!!"!111"!!!
05:21<lupine_85>:p
05:21<helldaemon>haha :D
05:21<nihil>haha
05:21<helldaemon>omg
05:21<helldaemon>all clones sux always :)
05:23<@Ganneff>now. get reasonable or get +q. topic is Debian. thanks.
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05:25<helldaemon>security.debian.org is the only update server right ?
05:25<helldaemon>no mirrors ?
05:25<azeem>there's an FAQ on that on the security site I think
05:26<helldaemon>i didnt see enything about mirroring
05:26<azeem>http://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror
05:26<helldaemon>i saw that
05:27<helldaemon>not what i'm asking for :)
05:27<helldaemon>no matter
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05:27<azeem>what do you mean with "update server" then?
05:29<helldaemon>like ... ftp.??.debian.org
05:29<helldaemon>located in different countries
05:29<azeem>ok, and how is that not answered in the FAQ?
05:29<helldaemon>i didnt say it is not answered
05:29<azeem>11:26 < helldaemon> not what i'm asking for :)
05:30<helldaemon>Official mirrors, however, are planned to be implemented in the future.
05:30<helldaemon>no matter
05:30<azeem>so you are asking whether the future is now?
05:30<lupine_85>own the day
05:30<lupine_85>the future is now
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05:31<sheldonh>helldaemon: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/security.debian.org/
05:31<sheldonh>helldaemon: not recommended, because of lag. most people want security updates yesterday
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05:32<helldaemon>i see
05:32<mc>heh
05:32<mc>just add both.
05:32<mc>most servers sync in 24h in which you wont update anyway
05:32<helldaemon>i have one mirror ... which is rsynced every 3 hours
05:33<mc>contrary, the main server is slow as hell
05:33<helldaemon>but ... it will be better if it is push-mirrored
05:33<mc>Yip.
05:33<sheldonh>helldaemon: who do you rsync off every 3 hours who doesn't have a complete cow about it?
05:34<helldaemon>rsync-ed from security.debian.org every three hours
05:34<helldaemon>this is the description
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05:36<vortex>hi room
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05:37<streuner>!room
05:37<dpkg>CHANNEL!
05:37<helldaemon>!gcc
05:37<dpkg>the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian
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05:39<mikes>hello all! any syggestions for a cheap ATI display card working well with open driver and compiz???
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05:41<lupine_85>mikes: radeon 9600
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05:41<lupine_85>note that ATi are now AMD and they're open-sourcing their drivers anyway
05:41<lupine_85>so soon all cards will work with open drivers
05:42<mikes>lupine_85: up to now i have a radeon 9600 but i am buying a new computer and mobo supports pci express only
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05:42<lupine_85>I'm afraid I'm a bit out of date when it comes to PCI express
05:43<mikes>thanks lupine_85 ;)
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06:07<fruity>hi to everyone, I'm having a little problem, I did for a mistake rm -R /var/lib, I stopped it almost immediatly, but the damage was already done, and now /var/lib/apt and /var/lib/dpkg are destroyed, when I try to install a package I get this error:
06:07<fruity>dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `postdrop' in statoverride file
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06:08<lupine_85>ouch
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06:09<fruity>:"(
06:09<jm_>fruity: ls /var/backups
06:09<fruity>I did a rsync from another etch machine I got with a similar installation. but none
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06:10<fruity>jm_ I have the dpkg status backup just, should I decompress it into /var/lib/dpkg?
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06:11<jm_>fruity: I would
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06:12<javier_>does ALL : n.n.n.n/mm in hosts.deny work for squid?
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06:16<jm_>javier_: does squid even use that file? doesn't look like it
06:16<jm_>it has its own ACL rules where you can specify this
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06:19<fruity>jm_ thanks but it does not help, I'll try comparing file persmissions from another machine to the broken one
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06:20<jm_>fruity: what does it say now?
06:20<jm_>fruity: what's in your /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride ?
06:20<fruity>I just removed the lines from the statoverride file that where referring to postdrop
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06:21<fruity>now i could reinstall dpkg but with warning about non existent files list
06:22<jm_>yeah that's not backed up
06:22<fruity>is because I rsync'd the missing stuff from another machine
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06:24<fruity>I see as the easyest way of doing a apt-get --reinstall install of all the packages I have installed, is there any other solution? or I am wrong?
06:24<jm_>well yeah something like that is best I suppose
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06:39<Gekz>hey, what's a good font for the raw terminal
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06:40<Gekz>the login terminal
06:40<Gekz>and the best way to set it
06:40<Gekz>the default is too big
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06:42<screenn>hathe, bremner, jm_, Monkey’s Audio was criticized because it was not free software or open source, and for its peculiar and ambiguous license! rm -rdf *.ape mp3 is live.
06:43<jm_>screenn: mp3 is not free either ;)
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06:43<bremner>screenn: what about flac?
06:43<bremner>screen: or ogg vorbiss for lossy
06:44<bremner>^^ogg vorbis
06:44<screenn>:)
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06:45<Gekz>FLAC > OGG > *
06:45<Gekz>and caps isnt yelling in this case.
06:46<Gekz>Free Lossless Audio Codec
06:46<Gekz>and I should have written Ogg... but anyawy
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06:49<javier_>jm thanks
06:49<javier_>i used the acl and a script to replicate to the other squid servers
06:49<bremner>screenn: since monkey's audio is lossless, you should be able to just reencode into FLAC
06:49<Gekz>that's true.
06:49<screenn>Gekz, yes I know, mp3 distribution is pursued by the law, flac distribution is not :)
06:50<Gekz>but for safety, APE > WAV > FLAC
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06:51<bremner>Gekz: sure, I don't know if some other way is possible, but your idea would have been my suggestion
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06:55<Baggy2>How to echo text to a different login shell? Something like echo "my text" >> tty2 (except that this didn't work..)
06:55<hatter_>is it possible that adding noapic could stop the nics working ?
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06:56<jm_>Baggy2: man 1 write
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06:56<jm_>hatter_: how are they not working?
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06:57<dushy>hello all :)
06:57<hatter_>I am not sure that they are, but i have a via-rhine onboard nic that is going slow, i am wondering if it could be APIC related
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06:57<dushy>any one knows how to install vmplayer on ubuntu ?
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06:58<Baggy2>jm_: is it also possible to start an application from tty1 and make it run in tty2? say it's a gui app..
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06:58<jm_>slow transfers are often an indication of misconfigured link negotiation - verify with ethtool
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06:58<gsimmons>!tell dushy -about ubuntu
06:58<jm_>Baggy2: try man openvt
06:58<Baggy2>jm_: I am having problems switching between sessions after the gui has started..
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07:00<dushy>gsimmons: i can see vmplayer on add/delte software but when i tick for install it says vmplayer cannot be installed on your computer type i386
07:00<hatter_>jm_, thx i will check
07:01<gsimmons>dushy: You're in the wrong place for support concerning your distribution. You'd want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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07:02<dushy>oops sorry :) gsimmons thanks for the info :)
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07:08<hatter_>jm_ , from mii-tool eth1, eth1 is advertising flow-control but says it doesnt have flow-control capabilities, could this cause a latency ?
07:09<jm_>hatter_: no, concentrate on link speed and what it should be
07:10<hatter_>link speed is 100Mb-FD as it should,
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07:11<jm_>hatter_: and how fast is it going?
07:14<hatter_>unfortunately i cant test between two machines until tomorrow, i was just informed of it , the nic may not be the problem, it's just my first suspicion, everything else seems fine on the server
07:15<hatter_>and its a few hours drive away :(
07:15<hatter_>what country do you live in jm_ ?
07:15<jm_>hatter_: Slovenia (Europe)
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07:17<hatter_>ah, well you are lucky not to be in Australia at the moment, yesterday was scorching hot :( thx for your input
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07:18<Gekz>I have an output of a directory structure, for example 'ls -R /usr > ls.log'
07:19<Gekz>then I have my version of it using the same command with myls.log in that place
07:19<hatter_>google has shown linux via-rhine to have had plenty of problems in the last few years
07:19<jm_>we have shit weather, cold (6C) and rain
07:19<Gekz>what is the best way to compare the files for missing or added files?
07:19<hatter_>erk, i think i rather the heat :)
07:19<jm_>hatter_: it's possible, worth tryin newest version - it works somewhat OK for me at home
07:19<jm_>Gekz: try diff
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07:20<Gekz>I already tried that
07:20<Gekz>doesnt work.
07:20<Gekz>it compares it line by line which just makes a mess.
07:20<jm_>yeah, not good for such cases
07:20<Gekz>like like 1 to line 1
07:20<Gekz>where the files arent always on the same linse
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07:20<jm_>some GUI tools are smarter, say tkdiff
07:20<Gekz>No X.
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07:21<jm_>then I don't know
07:21<Gekz>:(
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07:24<bremner>Gekz: some of these are console: http://pastebin.ca/854578
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07:24<hever>Hi how can I run a command without showing its outpu ? I'm symlinking some files and sometimes they already exist.
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07:25<jm_>ln has -f switch for that, or redirect output to /dev/null
07:25<Gekz>I just used sort.
07:25<Gekz>it worked well enough
07:26<hever>yes i do ln -s xxx > /dev/null but I saw the output
07:26<jm_>sort is bad in this case because you don't have full path in each line
07:26<jm_>it's useful for find output
07:26<Gekz>whats a good utility for tracing memory leaks?
07:26<jm_>hever: 2>/dev/null
07:26<bremner>Gekz: valgrind
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07:26<Gekz>doesnt that only work if you're using it compiled into it?
07:26<jm_>no
07:26<Gekz>or linked to it
07:27<Gekz>O rly.
07:27<Gekz>does it slow the app down at all?
07:27<bremner>Gekz: nope, yes, much slowness
07:27<bremner>Gekz: nope (to needing linking etc), yes, much slowness
07:27<Gekz>that's not good.
07:27<Gekz>any alternatives that are less slwo
07:27<Gekz>lol
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07:28<jm_>there aren't any
07:28<sheldonh>Gekz: i wouldn't bother. when you're hunting memory leaks, you want effective more than you want quick
07:28<bremner>Gekz: and I want a pony :-)
07:28<hever>jm_: -f removes and recreates the links.... Why does ln -s xxx yyyy > /dev/null not work ?
07:29<bremner>hever: stderr?
07:29<hever>bremner: ehm öhm stderr is my console I think or what do you mean ?
07:30<jm_>hever: see above
07:30<Gekz>sheldonh: it's a 700mb binary
07:30<Gekz>lol
07:31<hever>jm_: you mean I should run 2>/dev/null ? what does it do ?
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07:31<jm_>hever: no, ln ... 2>/dev/null
07:31<hever>oh and what does this 2 mean ?
07:31<bremner>hever: echo $(SHELL)
07:31<jm_>stderr]
07:32<jm_>${SHELL} most likely
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07:33<hever>echo ${SHELL} tells me that I'm using /bin/bash... thats not new to me ;)
07:33<hever>My question is what does the 2> operator do ?
07:34<jm_>hever: read about redirection in man bash
07:34<sheldonh>hever: man bash and search forward for ^REDIRECTION
07:34<sheldonh>hever: it's only a couple of pages, and well worth reading
07:34<jm_>hever: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html
07:35<sheldonh>jm_: factoid :)
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07:36<hever>ok thanks
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07:37<imperia>guys do you know if there is debian terminal services client?
07:38<streuner>services what for?
07:38<imperia>terminal services/remote desktop client
07:38<jm_>for windows or what?
07:38<imperia>yes\
07:39<jm_>rdesktop
07:39<imperia>thx
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07:39<imperia>i thought "terminal services" is the windows name for remote desktop sharing
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07:42<jm_>yup, looks like it's called Terminal Services
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07:50<hatter_>jm_, i found another computer i can access on the remote network, the nic speed is around 20,Mbps , my network here travels at 80Mbps
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07:51<hatter_>well, maybe the nic speed, but a new switch is there recently
07:51<hatter_>i will try a new driver for the via-rhine
07:51<jm_>hatter_: how are you testing it?
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07:51<hatter_>moving a 400Mb file from an xp box to an smb share and runnin iptraf in detailed mode
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07:53<jm_>ahh ok, that may be normal speed, I'd use nc on Linux for max speed, not sure how to do that on windows, although there is nc.exe
07:53<hatter_>i did the same test here , it was 4 times faster
07:54<jm_>so it doesn't look like NIC is the problem then?
07:54<hatter_>actually, here it took 46 seconds, over there it took 4 mins
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07:55<hatter_>i mean my network here, the remote test was similar
07:56<hatter_>so i still think it is the nic
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07:57<jm_>I'd test it with nc first
07:57<hatter_>ok
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08:10<thctlo2>Hi, question, is there a package the can get a attachment from a xml file
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08:11<thctlo2>i get an xml file bij mail, in this xml is a attachment enclosed, i need this attachment
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08:22<JarekMk>Hi
08:22<JarekMk>is enybody use KDE here?
08:23<JarekMk>I've got problem with KWallet
08:23<screenn>no, gnome only
08:23<@Ganneff>!anybode
08:23<@Ganneff>!anybody
08:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
08:23<JarekMk>can u tell me how to uninstall him?
08:23<screenn>apt-get install gnome-panel
08:23<JarekMk>heheh
08:23<JarekMk>greate joke :P
08:24<JarekMk>but I like kde ;]
08:24<screenn>;=]
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08:27<JarekMk>screenn: where U from?
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08:28<weasel>!u
08:28<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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08:49<hatter_>pfff, it seems netcat for windows got bought by symantec and is not available
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08:51<thctlo2>hi, im searching for a program which kan detach a message from a xml file
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08:53<jm_>hatter_: there's one on http://www.vulnwatch.org/netcat/ - but the page is dead
08:53<hatter_>i think its dead on purpose
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08:57<thctlo2>hi, im searching for a program which kan detach a message from a xml file
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08:59<hatter_>maybe cigwyn
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08:59<thctlo2>cigwyn ?
09:00<kurumin>alguem fala portugues
09:00<hatter_>um, i was talking aloud, i cant find netcat.exe for windows so maybe i should put cigwyn on and build nc
09:01<jm_>!br
09:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:01<thctlo2>=> netcat => http://store.payloadz.com/str-asp-i.30142-n.netcat_exe_Software_Utilities-end-detail.html
09:01<thctlo2>20 $
09:01<jm_>do you trust every random page?
09:02<thctlo2>me no
09:02<hatter_>that page has it for $20
09:03<DaCapn>anyone know how to properly pronounce the french last name Bravais?
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09:04<hatter_>thctlo2, thx
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09:04<thctlo2>noproblem.
09:04<hatter_>I am unlikely to give credit card details to a website named payloadz :)
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09:05<hatter_>but living explains why i cant find it anywhere on the net
09:05<hatter_>'living at payloads'
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09:05<xemacs>perl has modules to parse xml
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09:06<hatter_>thctlo2, how did you find it there ?
09:06<hatter_>i searched google yahoo altavista excite....
09:06<thctlo2>on google. netcat.exe ;-) ,
09:06<thctlo2>http://www.filesearching.com/cgi-bin/s?q=netcat&t=f&d=&l=en here
09:06<hatter_>geez fourth one down
09:06<hatter_>i didnt see it
09:06<thctlo2>lots of netcat
09:07<hatter_>there are a lot of dead links
09:07<hatter_>i went to at least 6
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09:08<thctlo2>here then : http://dl.winsite.com/files/77/ar2/winnt/programr/netcat.zip
09:09<hatter_>thx very much :)
09:09<thctlo2>google : netcat.zip ; first hit on google, klik. "download now " ; top right klik skip ;
09:09<thctlo2>:D
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09:09<thctlo2>google is my friend :D
09:09<hatter_>ah good plan
09:10<hatter_>i have to be nicer to it so it will be my friend too :)
09:10<thctlo2>be smarter with the words and order of the words you choose.
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09:10<hatter_>yes indeed
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09:15<angasule>anyone having some MD5 issues with security.debian.org besides me?
09:18<witte>!key
09:18<dpkg>key is, like, Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
09:18<witte>angasule: i do not think i have any issues with security keys...
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09:19<angasule>someone told me it might be a transparent proxy being opaque
09:19<giffengrabber>hi all. if one would want to modify some kernel modules of a certain kernel that's in debian, is it possible to build only those modules and plug them into the running kernel, w/o having to recompile the whole kernel?
09:19<weasel>angasule: that's easy to verify. use tcptraceroute.
09:20<angasule>I don't seem to have that installed?
09:20<weasel>and see how many hops away one specific security.d.o host is from you when using http, compared to say a normal traceroute.
09:20<weasel>!installit
09:20<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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09:20<witte>giffengrabber: i think you want module-assistant
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09:21<angasule>weasel: you do realise I'm having repo trouble? :)
09:21<weasel>so?
09:21<xDbr>how to setup samba?
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09:21<weasel>xDbr: "google samba howto"
09:21<thctlo2>beter, google samba big howto
09:21<thctlo2>;-)
09:21<xDbr>sorry
09:21<weasel>this isn't #holdmyhand
09:22<thctlo2>even beter, google samba big howto debian only
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09:24<giffengrabber>witte: thanks! seems like it could do the job
09:26<angasule>fixed it, just had to find the right ftp replacement, and I also fixed the toilet
09:28<angasule>btw, weasel, advising someone to install an app when they are having repo trouble is kind of idiotic, when there are much easier ways
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09:28<weasel>no, it's not.
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09:29<giffengrabber>"apt-cache show" outputs md5/sha1 sums for every package. am i supposed to get the same checksum running md5/sha1 on the downloaded .debs?
09:29<angasule>are you SCO's PR guy?
09:29-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
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09:29<@weasel>giffengrabber: yes, probably
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09:30<giffengrabber>weasel: ok
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09:41<amel>anyone could help with drivers?
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09:42<kurumin>hmnhgm
09:42<kurumin>o
09:42<weasel>!anyone
09:42<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:42<kurumin>iooo
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09:42<weasel>hmm. not quite the factoid I wanted. *shrugs*
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09:43<azeem>!ask
09:43<amel>ok. anyone knows any working driver for <attansic l1 gigabit ethernet> ? Cos one from http://sourceforge.net/projects/atl1 just gave me load of "errors" :(
09:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:43<angasule>amel: your question is too general, try to be more specific
09:44<azeem>amel: what's the lscpi output for that?
09:44<azeem>lspci*
09:45<amel>how to creat log for it?
09:45<amel>create*
09:46<mjk>amel: lspci -vv > somefile
09:46<amel>thanks. gotta reboot for it..
09:46<mjk>amel: Then paste it to http://channels.debian.net/paste/
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10:02<njende>Hi Folks. If I'm trying to install linux-headers for kernel 2.6.22-2-486 aptitude tells me that there aren't any. How will I get the headers for such kernel, if aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.22-2-486 doesn't work?
10:02<azeem>njende: which version of Debian?
10:02<njende>sid
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10:03<njende>Just wondering if I missed something...couldn't find anything in changelogs re changing the method on how to install headers
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10:04<carlos>test
10:04<carlos>identify
10:04<njende>azeem: any ideas?
10:05<azeem>njende: sid has 2.6.23 now AFAIK
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10:07<carlos>#exit
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10:07<Surge>Hello, I was wondering if anyone can suggest a good tutorial on how to rebuild debian packages, say if I want to upgrade to a newer version... (my goal is to rebuild nvidia-glx with latest drivers for etch, and I want to get gcc-4.2 compiled for etch as well)
10:08<njende>azeem: the 2.6.23 didnt boot properly. Came up that the kernel couldn't find its initrd for any reason
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10:08<njende>so, actually I'm booting uo with the 2.6.22
10:08<azeem>njende: well, that's another problem then
10:08<azeem>the answer to your initial problem is "2.6.22 doesn't exist in unstable anymore"
10:09<njende>azeem: okay, so I'll upgrade at least to 2.6.23?
10:10<azeem>njende: you should be able to answer such questions yourself if you run unstable
10:10<xemacs>Surge have you checked http://backports.debian.org it may already be don
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10:10<njende>azeem: brb
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10:11<ghosty>http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=26582066b6e7516d1adaca7febe32ec7
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10:13<Surge>I did not know backports exist :) Thanks, I'm checking now... but in general I want to learn how to rebuild some packages... and searching for good 1-2-3 tutorial
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10:14<xemacs>Surge developers referance shows how to build
10:14<xemacs>should be in package form
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10:15<Surge>Ok, I will try to google for it
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10:15<amel>mjk : Still here?
10:15<Surge>Unfortunately both gcc-4.2 and recent nvidia drivers are both unavailable
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10:16<amel>mjk : here is my log for makeinstall http://paste.debian.net/46860
10:17<xemacs>Surge then please also give it to backports ;)
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10:18<Surge>Ok, I will need to figure out that part as well. :)
10:18<thctlo2>Ghostly hee i think i fucked here also :D
10:19<amel>aww
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10:19<Surge>When you contribute to backports and I'm on amd64, am I required to contrubute to 100 other supported architectures?
10:19<Zathras>Hi. Does anyone know if there is an UPS / NUT specific channel?
10:19<thctlo2>wasszup Zathras
10:20<amel>Who could help with <attansic l1 gigabit ethernet> driver from http://sourceforge.net/projects/atl1 ? xD
10:20<thctlo2>i know about UPS=ses
10:20<thctlo2>amel: read http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/2007/07/20/attansic-l1-gigabit-ethernet-driver-for-debian
10:21<amel>thctlo2: thanks. i'll try
10:21<thctlo2>amel: its simple : get http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/download/atl1/2.6.18-4-486/atl1.ko
10:22<thctlo2>type : objcopy -R .modinfo atl1.ko
10:22<thctlo2>and load the driver
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10:22<amel>its x86?
10:22<thctlo2>amel: or use http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/download/atl1/2.6.18-4-amd64/atl1.ko
10:22<thctlo2>=> amd64
10:23<njende>azeem: okay so I should go for at least kernel 2.6.23 as you suggested. Am I right?
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10:23<Zathras>thctlo2, I would like to use NUT as my ups managing package (I do so now), but I want to make a more complex shutdown scheme. I would like to define servers into groups and issue shutdown commands (flag in NUT) to shutdown specfic servers or servergroups. But I think that I can only broadcast a shutdown flag so all server will have to go down
10:23<amel>so just || objcopy -R .modinfo atl1.ko || in terminal?
10:23<thctlo2>i think so , thats wat the webpage says
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10:23<amel>thanks
10:24<Zathras>So I am looking for someone on IRC who has some insights
10:24<thctlo2>amel: or read http://invaleed.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/attansic-l1-gigabit-ethernet-driver-for-debian-etch/
10:24<thctlo2>Zathras watz up
10:24<thctlo2>Zathras: tell me if you want help
10:25<Zathras>thctlo2, I just did, didn't I?
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10:25<thctlo2>ow sorry didnt see that 1 sec, reading.
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10:25<Zathras>q: how to split up servers into servergroups or as individual servers os does NUT only support broadcasting?
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10:26<njende>What is the recent kernel in sid for x86 machines?
10:27<njende>is it 2.6.23?
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10:27<xemacs>njende check packages.debian.org
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10:30<thctlo2>Zathras: i dont know , if what you want is possible. "NUT can bridge the driver layer (USB only) "
10:31<Zathras>I doubt if what I want is possible
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10:32<Zathras>In think I know a workaround but it is very dirty and will give problems in the future. Also timeconsuming for now so I do not want to go that route: running multiple NUT daemons on various ports
10:32<njende>xemacs: thx ;-)
10:32<thctlo2>Zathras: you could try : http://home.tele2.fr/elrik/ups_control/
10:32<Zathras>I am just looking for a place to confirm this
10:33<njende>xemacs: as a matter of fact I hadn't had to build as yet a kernel myself
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10:34<njende>xemacs: so am I right if I go that way: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.23
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10:34<Zathras>thctlo2, wierd, that program does not add anything to NUT at all afaik. It is way poorer in features
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10:34<Zathras>but thanks for the link
10:34<njende>xemacs: what's next?
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10:35<padski>"Not the One. NOT the One."
10:35<thctlo2>Zathras: i use munin and monit to monitor all my upsses and if needed munin can take actions or monit
10:35<Surge>Does anyone know if it possible to run Debian etch with 2.4 kernel?
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10:35<antonio>I need help on shell scripts
10:35<thctlo2>And u use the apcd ( if have APC upsses )
10:36<Zathras>Padski, please don't get started on crisismanagement ;-)
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10:37<antonio>anyone can help me with scripts?
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10:37<padski>Zathras, you warn, but noone listens ?
10:37<DaCapn>antonio help us help you, don't make us guess what your question is
10:38<edthefox>!tell antonio about ask
10:38<njende>ln -s linux-source-2.6.23 linux -> cannot create symbolic link: File exists
10:38<petemc>ls -la linux
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10:39<njende>petemc: ls -la linux lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2007-12-20 19:57 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.22-3-486
10:40<edthefox>rm linux
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10:41<padski>Is there an east way to copy an icon from the menu to the panel in xfce ?
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10:42<amel>thctlo2 : still nothing good
10:42<njende>now a cp /boot/config-2.6.23 .config doesn't work
10:43<Zathras>thctlo2, munin seems like general monitoring not specific UPS, or am I wrong?
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10:43<njende>I read in a HowTo that it should...
10:43<antonio>how to save a file on vi editor?
10:43<njende>antonio: :wq
10:43<amel>thctlo2 : "objcopy -R .modinfo atl1.ko" gave me nothing while "insmod atl1.ko" gave me "insmod: error inserting 'atl1.ko': -1 Invalid module format"
10:43<thctlo2>Zathras: for munin you can adjusts the code to your ups. as i did
10:43<edthefox>antonio: use vim
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10:44<thctlo2>amel: you could try kernel 2.6.23 from unstable, if that does not work, you put in a other NIC .
10:44<Zathras>problem might be here that I have a mixed debian servers/RHEL server/WIndows servers environment
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10:45<njende>anyone an idea why cp /boot/config-2.6.23 .config doesn't work
10:45<amel>ubuntu supports my nic. which kernel its using?
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10:46<njende>amel: uname -r will tell you which kernel ubuntu is using
10:46<amel>unfortunately i don't have it :D
10:46<p3k4y>hullo, does anyone know where the right place to ask might be for tmpfs/kernel/memory related problems?
10:46<amel>seems i should stick with it...
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10:46<amel>too bad is has halfassed KDE support
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10:47<thctlo2>amel: try Debian Etch With Backported 2.6.23 Kernel
10:47<amel>where can i get it?
10:47<thctlo2>http://thelinuxway.blogspot.com/2007/11/debian-etch-with-backported-2623-kernel.html
10:48<thctlo2>=> !! Both ICH9 SATA controller and Attansic L1 NIC work well.
10:48<thctlo2> http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ here you can get the installer iso
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10:48<amel>its whole new distr
10:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 339] by debhelper
10:49<amel>(im noob) there can i get that kernel source?
10:49<amel>i think its better to compile it instead of reinstalling whole system
10:49<thctlo2>amel: do this:
10:49<thctlo2>dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt
10:50<thctlo2>install with the nieuw iso, but do not format the partitions. ( aka unclean installation )
10:50<thctlo2>then dkpg --set-selection < packages.txt
10:50<thctlo2>and your done
10:51<thctlo2>always dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt is can be you ass save
10:51<sybariten>what does that do
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10:51<njende>has anyone please an idea what I am doing wrong? As said before a cp /boot/config-2.6.23 .config doesn't work?
10:51<thctlo2>njende : type pwd and past output
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10:52<njende>thctlo2: usr/src/
10:52<thctlo2>cd linux then
10:52<amel>thctlo2: emm... i mean if there is a way i get some KERNEL stuff and compile it on my system(transfer it via usb flash)?
10:52<thctlo2>ln -a linux kernel-source
10:52<thctlo2>apt-get source linux-source-2.6.23
10:53<thctlo2>apt-get install linux-source-2.6.23
10:53<thctlo2> ( sorry 0
10:53<thctlo2>:)
10:53<amel>*no internets* :(
10:53<njende>I did that
10:53<amel>how can i get em via windows?
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10:53<njende>I unpacked 2.6.23 already and I made the symlink, too
10:53<thctlo2>amel: the unclean install works perfect,
10:54<thctlo2>just backup your packages a i said . and if you really want to make sure also backup /etc
10:54<njende>now I thought that I should say cp /boot/config-2.6.23 .config
10:55<amel>thctlo2: so i download this iso, burn and boot from it?
10:55<thctlo2>i did this on a crashed xen server , a production server, it took 20 min and i was online again, ( and the problem was my drive ( raid 1 ) was crashed. )
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10:55<thctlo2>yep
10:55<thctlo2>amel: install debian as normal with that cd
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10:55<thctlo2>i use these on my dell servers
10:55<amel>thctlo2: and it will ask me if i want "unclean" install?
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10:55<amel>thctlo2: or just plain reinstall?
10:56<njende>thctlo2: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23#cp ... should work?
10:56<thctlo2>yes, when partition your disk, select NO FORMAT
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10:56<amel>ahh lol
10:56<avtobiff>is there any good way of getting an overview of a pdf/ps/tex/dvi file?
10:56<amel>forget about this "feature"
10:56<thctlo2>:D
10:56<avtobiff>e.g. preview of 10 pages of a document?!
10:57<njende>thctlo2: doesn't work either *arggghhhh*
10:57<amel>thctlo2: cos i need xserver. don't think i got enough exp to set up my inet in plain terminal system xD
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10:58<amel>thctlo2: thanks for you help atm. i'm in a middle of installing this iso
10:59<sheldonh>smokeping's a useful little bugger
10:59<njende>thctlo2: any ideas on how to get that work?
10:59<edthefox>anyone know where i can get a how-to to set up printing to a network printer on a debian etch install with no x?
10:59<dmobi>hi. is there any cpu benchmark software for debian?
11:00<njende>dmobi: what about munin?
11:00<dmobi>i did not know...let me try it with apt-get
11:00<dmobi>i did apt-get lmbench but did not configure yet how to use it
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11:02<dmobi>Not creating home directory `/var/lib/munin'.
11:02<dmobi>ok how i run munin?
11:03<njende>can someone please give me some help? I need to get that kernel working, but, as said, I hadn't had to build til now a kernel...and now I'm stuck
11:03<njende>dmobi: aptitude install munin
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11:04<njende>and then open a browser and say:localhost/munin.index.html i.e.
11:04<thctlo2>njende: google on howto forge munin monit , nice example
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11:04<thctlo2>http://www.howtoforge.com/server_monitoring_monit_munin
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11:05<njende>thctlo2: the "cp" still doesn't work :-((
11:05<njende>thctlo2: any ideas?
11:06<thctlo2>njende cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23
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11:06<thctlo2>first extract it of couse
11:06<thctlo2>then cd linux-source
11:06<dmobi>aha. so it's a web interface. ok thanks!
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11:06<bremner>njende: make xconfig or make menuconfig will copy the config for you
11:06<hever>Hej, drwx--x--T what means the T ?
11:06<thctlo2>cp /boot/config-... ./
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11:11<dmobi>as i understand monit it is just monitoring, is it also benchmarking?
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11:14<njende>bremner: wher will I find the kernel-image deb file? Shouldn't make menuconfig create an kernel-image file so that I can instakll it with dpkg -i ?
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11:14<amel>hey. i want kernel in deb too :D
11:14<themill>njende: no, that's mkkpkg. /msg dpkg kp-mantra
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11:15<njende>themill: so, after make menuconfig I have to call make kpkg kernel-image-2.6.23 ? Would taht be correct?
11:16<bremner>njende: just make-kpkg kernel-image
11:16<themill>njende: that's the basic idea, but not the specific command. Follow the instructions the bot gave you.
11:16<bremner>make-kpkg is like apt-get, the second part is a command
11:17<themill>bremner: best to also give a --append-to-version etc so that it behaves nicely
11:18<bremner>themill, njende: my own variant is make-kpkg --revision machine.1.0 kernel-image
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11:18<bremner>and machine.2.0, and so on
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11:18<bremner>themill, njende: where machine is the target
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11:19<njende>brb...need to get some coffee...puuuh...that's interesting...I mean building a kernel...good to know that here are people helping me!I really appreciate your help!Thanks a lot!
11:19<bremner>sorry to be long winded, but e.g. if my laptop where named leetbox, I would use --revision leetbox.1.0
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11:33<debidebian>has anyone tried monodevelop c# gtk in ubuntu ?
11:34<themill>!ubuntu
11:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
11:34<debidebian>i cant compile ...
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11:34<themill>you'd be better to ask in #ubuntu
11:34<debidebian>aha
11:34<debidebian>ok
11:34<debidebian>thanks
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12:08<sheldonh>what's the best way to expose a windows computer to attack, other than connecting it to the internet?
12:08<cahoot>turn it on?
12:08<sheldonh>i'm keen to collect signatures that represent untargetted attacks, to quiet snort
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12:10<sheldonh>hmmm, i have an idea
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12:16<njende>Hi there I just make-kpkg kernel-image and I thought that this should make me a deb file to install such with dpkg.HAs anyone an idea why there is no deb file?the make-kpkg process hasn't shown any errors...*weird*...
12:16<chump_>hey guys if i use a DD if=/dev/sda2 of=/file
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12:16<chump_>will that even take theblank area of /dev/sda2?
12:16<Supaplex>njende: see . or ..
12:17<njende>Supaplex: see? what should I see?
12:17<Supaplex>chump_: if = in file, of = out file, so no. you've got them switched
12:17<Supaplex>njende: ls -l *.deb ../*.deb
12:19<chump_>i mean will it grab all the blank areas of that hard drive also?
12:20<njende>Supaplex: thx...thats been it!
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12:20<Supaplex>chump_: yes
12:20<Supaplex>chump_: I thought you wanted to blank the hdd earlier :)
12:21<chump_>how would i go about copying the hdd with out that extra space ?
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12:21<chump_>is there a way to do it w/o mounting it?
12:21<Supaplex>why not use tar?
12:22<Supaplex>then why not use gzip to compress the empty space?
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12:22<chump_>can it do that on the fly?
12:22<chump_>cause i don't have enough room to put the 150 gigs of space
12:23<Supaplex>dd if=/dev/sda2 | gzip > myfs.gz
12:23<chump_>you'rea godo man sir
12:23<Supaplex>gzip won't know about your filesystem structure, so if you have dirty space that's free, it won't save much space.
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12:25<chump_>i don't knwo whats going on on this Drive i think its on its last leg
12:25<chump_>its spitting out random errors
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12:25<Supaplex>that's too bad. you should have backups before this happened. good luck with what you have left.
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12:27<twb>Ctrl+Alt+Backspace isn't working in Xorg on my Sid workstation. What could cause this?
12:27<Supaplex>twb: is it disabled?
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12:28<twb>There's nothing in my xorg.conf about it
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12:29<twb>I actually noticed that the Pointer_EnableKeys keysym stopped doing anything, I suspect the two are related.
12:29<azeem>twb: maybe nozap is default now (ISTR something along those lines)
12:30<twb>azeem: the manpage says DontZap is off by default.
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12:30<twb>I notice that switching VTs also doesn't work
12:30<azeem>well, manpages can get outofdate
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12:31<azeem>but this sounds like a bigger problem, yeah
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12:34<twb>Whaddya know, I restarted gdm and the problem went away
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12:35<zedboy>twb: I had a weird thing yesterday where none of my applets would start. Also went away by itself.
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12:43<Cadavre>anyone here have ever configured the sound server on an old compaq armada 1700 and remember how he did it?
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12:45<twb>What sound sever?
12:45<Cadavre>alsa
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12:45<Cadavre>I'm compiling alsa-source
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12:46<Cadavre>to be sure that the problem dont come from there
12:46<Cadavre>alsaconf just dont want to work
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12:47<twb>Oookay, suddenly C-M-Backspace doesn't work again
12:47<twb>This means it's either epiphany's fault or vmware-server-console's fault, since urxvt was running while it was working.
12:48<chump_>well this is great this hard drive is really messed up
12:48<twb>AWESOME FEATURE!
12:48<chump_>its been dding for about 15 minutes and is only produced34 megs of data
12:48<twb>Epiphany stops C-M-Backspace from working!
12:48<twb>Those cocksucking GNOME busybodies have helped me yet again
12:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 336] by debhelper
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12:50<azeem>twb: what do you mean c-m-backspace is interpreted by the X server
12:50<azeem>+,
12:50<twb>azeem: I know that
12:50<twb>As soon as the epiphany window is mapped, C-M-Backspace *stops* being interpreted by the server
12:50<twb>As does C-M-f1 and pointer_enablekeys
12:50<azeem>that'd be weird
12:51<twb>That is, once epiphany has mapped, even if I kill it again, I have to restart X for those bindings to do anything at all
12:51<azeem>I assume you're running unstable
12:51<twb>Yes
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12:57<twb>Bug reported to `epiphany-browser' package.
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13:11<etanoox>a
13:11<etanoox>!list
13:11<dpkg>one warez list being sent to etanoox
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13:12<etanoox>sorry
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13:15<fsateler>http://pastebin.com/d1ea3deab
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13:15<fsateler>the two snippets there don't compile the same with current gcc-4.2
13:16<fsateler>should I file a bug or is there something I'm doing wrong?
13:16<themill>can you also pastebin the error?
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13:19<stephen>hello everyone.. could someone please recommend a nice php / web poll software?
13:19<stephen>preferable freeware.. thanks
13:19<fsateler>http://pastebin.com/d639a202b
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13:21<fsateler>themill: I found the problem: % and / have the same priority so it was not being parsed as I thought
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13:21<themill>:)
13:22<twb>polls are a naff concept
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13:23<stephen>twb I know...
13:24<azeem>twb: well luckily you didn't quote that "Those cocksucking GNOME busybodies" in the bug report ;)
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13:25<twb>azeem: I tend not to do that
13:25<twb>IRC is for catharsis
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13:26<twb>Honestly the reason I'm using epiphany in the first place is because I'm trying to access a site that totally unnecessarily uses javascript onclick events instead of proper href links.
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13:26<themill>twb: yuck. what rot.
13:27<themill>twb: current least-favourite site (for doing exactly that): http://qlandkarte.sourceforge.net/
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13:33<twb>azeem: I reassigned the bug to RP because ICBF trying to reproduce it on another WM just now
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13:44<chump_>hey guys is there a program i can put my sys admin passwords in that will hash them so they aren't plain viewable but i can type in a master password and it will come up?
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13:45<themill>chump_: apt-cache search password|grep safe
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13:47<chump_>thanks themill
13:47<themill>np
13:47<chump_>what does the pipe grep into safe do?
13:48<chump_>i just don't understand grep so much so i'm not sure what that line is doing
13:48<valdyn>chump_: read the manpage
13:48<themill>chump_: if you run "apt-cache search password" then you'll get lots of entries.
13:49<chump_>thanks themill thanks valdyn
13:49<themill>chump_: I get 233 entries for that search. Now I knew there was one called something like pwsafe, but figured there might be others too, so it looks for all lines in that output that contain the word "safe".
13:52<chump_>yeah i'm going to read bout zsaf and pwsafe
13:52<chump_>and maybe mypasswordsafe
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13:55<norbert_>hi, does anyone also noticed that Skype needs new ports to be forwarded in firewalls?
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14:03<fin>#fh-koeln
14:03<jjoe>.
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14:04<valdyn>norbert_: umm?
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14:04<valdyn>norbert_: skype does not need an open port at all
14:04<themill>valdyn: well it does if you want it to work...
14:04<valdyn>themill: no.
14:05<themill>valdyn: umm... yes. 0 ports mean 0 connections ;)
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14:05<jjoe>hey,
14:05<valdyn>themill: i think you know we are talking about somethign else
14:06<valdyn>themill: obviously it does need to be able to send internet traffic, that is all
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14:07<themill>valdyn: :) but do consider that norbert_ may have a *very* restrictive firewall rule in place which is now causing problems even with the double udp nat traversal bollox etc that skype does to get around every obstacle you put in its way.
14:07<valdyn>norbert_: skypes listening port is randomly generated on each installation
14:07<valdyn>norbert_: if you block outgoing traffic then you do need to open one for skype
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14:08<valdyn>oh he's gone..
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14:09<themill>:(
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14:11<valdyn>which reminds me
14:12<valdyn>why the hell is skype such a piece of trash software
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14:12<valdyn>add alsa support = remove oss support ( wtf? )
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14:24<SixT6>I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers but it keeps telling me autoconf.h is missing from include/linux/ I have checked and found out that the file actually is there
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14:39<valdyn>SixT6: where is it?
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14:41<SixT6>I got past that error, now it whines about scripts/genksyms/genksyms not existing
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14:47<JarekMk>hi
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14:50<JarekMk>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=123438#123438
14:51<JarekMk>what is wrong?
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14:52<cahoot>tried dpkg-reconfigure locales?
14:53<JarekMk>no
14:53<JarekMk>ok i check this
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15:04<zepard>hi people
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15:18*sheldonh leers at kde4 in experimental
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15:24<hever>Hi there, I must get the whole quota of a user out of a chroot. Therefore I linked some quotatools into the chroot. Now I have to link /dev/hdaX into the chroot but this would mean I can access from inside the quota the whole hardisk, yes ?
15:24<hever>Can you give me a tip what's the best way to get the whole quota of a user out of a chroot ?
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15:33<lastboy>Hi, I've got the problem with Debian booting (4.0), exactly with runlevel. I tried all of numbers 1-6, nothing works. I searched something on Google, but from G-uncle seems that it might work. However, system returns error like "there aren't any processes in this runlevel".
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15:43<zxgb>I wonder. Is it normal, that the panel to run applications for gnome ignores PATH set in bashrc?
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15:44<norbert_>question: sometimes a game locks up X and I have to kill it on Ctrl-Alt-F1 (first terminal), but after that the mouse cursor is still locked... any way to get it to work again without Ctrl-Alt-Backspace ?
15:44<norbert_>(zxgb: you may want to try #gnome at irc.gnome.org for that one)
15:44<erore>hy anybody with hp priter
15:45<sheldonh>hever: meaning? in a process that's not chrooted, you want to query a user's quota consumption inside a specific chroot?
15:45<norbert_>erore: yes, me
15:45<erore>im trouble
15:45<zxgb>norbert_: Ok I will give it a try.
15:45<erore>a cant connect with my user just with mi admin
15:45<erore>a added user to lp group
15:45<erore>sorry my english
15:46<hever>sheldonh: ehm no. I want that a chrooted user can query its whole system quota out of the chroot.
15:46<norbert_>erore: where are you trying to connect, and what do you mean by "connect"?
15:46<erore>the hplip only acces the device by root
15:46<norbert_>erore: if you want to setup the printer, try to use http://localhost:631/
15:46<erore>yea but its all right in cups
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15:47<erore>Unable to communicate with device (code=12): hp:/usb/PSC_1500_series?serial=MY59GDC0ZX0498
15:47<erore>this is for the user no problem for root
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15:48<hever>sheldonh: What does the /dev/hdaX contains ? Can I read the whole partition from inside the chroot if I hardlink /dev/hdaX into the chroot ? Or is there a tool which doesn't need /dev/hdaX mounted an can get the quota from the aquta.user ?
15:48<erore>i have set up the printer via hplip by cup and by kde all any time and everytime with the same result just root can acces to device
15:48<norbert_>erore: what does lsusb tell you about the printer? (bus:device)?
15:49<erore>yea is there
15:49<norbert_>what does it tell you?
15:49<erore>bus 002 device 002 and the hex figure
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15:50<sheldonh>hever: hardlinking it is the wrong approach, i think. you want to mknod or MAKEDEV, to produce a device node. then, yes, the device node gives access to the raw partition, subject to its ownership and permission
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15:50<norbert_>erore: this should temporary fix it, I think: # chmod 0666 /dev/bus/usb/002/002
15:50<norbert_>erore: try if that helps and let me know whether it does
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15:51<hever>sheldonh: and this must be done to get quotas out of the chroot... ?!
15:51<erore>let me see thx
15:52<hever>What is saved in the aquota.user file ?
15:52<edthefox>can anyone help me set up ntp-server??
15:52<weasel>edthefox: apt-get install it? how hard can that be
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15:53<erore>YEA IT WORKS
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15:53<edthefox>weasel: ahem, I've done that, however i need to set the broadcast for my subnet and I cannont find it in the documentation thank you very much!
15:54<weasel>install ntp-doc.
15:54<norbert_>erore: that's a temporary solution
15:54<weasel>(tho, why would you want to broadcast)
15:54<erore>yes i know
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15:54<edthefox>weasel: done that, searched for 30 minutes...
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15:54<norbert_>erore: ok, I don't know much more, but good luck, this will help you for now
15:55<erore>but it work I my mother don't care thx
15:55<erore>:-D
15:55<sheldonh>hever: not sure. i've only used quotas on bsd systems, and there, quotas are stored in files at the mountpoint of each filesystem
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15:56<hever>sheldonh: quotas depends on a distribution? I thought perhaps on the filesystem... I can switch to BSD.
15:56<erore>thx norbert_ see you
15:56<edthefox>you would think that the ntp team could find the time write a man page for ntp.conf
15:56<hever>Can I change the filesystem or enforce this in debian ?
15:56<norbert_>erore: np, bye
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15:57<sheldonh>hever: i was just saying that i've only ever used them in bsd, not that they only work there
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15:57<hever>sheldonh: ehm yes. I meant the thing how they are realized.
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16:00<sheldonh>hever: i think you'd need to arrange for the mountpoint of the filesystem to be the chroot point also
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16:02<hever>uhm...
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16:04<sheldonh>hever: man repquota. see FILES
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16:05<BBoyDanny>hello every1
16:05<BBoyDanny>:)
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16:07<Pettt>Hi all... need help
16:07<hever>sheldonh: Ok yes. Ehm quotatool says it just needs quota.user and quota.group. But it still needs the /etc/mtab and /dev/hdaX if I run it out of the chroot. Can it be that it doesn't access the aquota.user and don't find a quota.user on it?
16:07<azeem>!ask
16:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
16:07<kinneh>hi all, it it possible to run partman after a install (add disks to lvm and so on)?
16:07<Pettt>i just burned Knoppix boot CD
16:07<sheldonh>hever: i understand why it needs /etc/mtab, but not the partition's device node
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16:08<hever>Sorry if I'm talking some strange things. I'm still not sure what is stored in this files... Just the quota limits or also the usage....
16:08<azeem>Pettt: ask #knoppix on irc.freenode.net
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16:08<Pettt>thy
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16:09<steven-m>hi all
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16:12<steven-m>does anyone know how to remove items iceweasel's about:config?
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16:13<zepard>hi , where to look for .emacs file when my .emacs file doesn't contain anything
16:13<zepard>?
16:13<azeem>zepard: write your own
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16:13<Myon>steven-m: there's right click -> reset
16:14<javo_>no idea, but you can set their value to null text
16:14<azeem>zepard: or look on the internet, or maybe /usr/share/doc/emacs*/examples
16:14<zepard>what I want is modifying the existing one used by emacs
16:14<azeem>steven-m: do you want to lock down users?
16:14<sun>can anyone recommend a really fast photobrowser i have a lot of photos which are all over the place that id like to organize and burn some
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16:15<dkr>sun: qiv
16:15<steven-m>Myon: that just deletes the value not the item
16:15<themill>sun: I use digikam. Others are liking the new picasa. There's also kimdaba and f-spot
16:16<zepard>azeem, so by default what is used by emacs?
16:16<Myon>gqview is nice
16:16<zepard>azeem, for coloring for example
16:16<azeem>zepard: I don't use emacs
16:17<Myon>zepard: that's just defined in the emacs code
16:17<Myon>there might be stuff in /etc/emacsomething, too
16:17<zepard>Myon, I don't think so
16:17<Myon>utsl :)
16:18<steven-m>azeem: Myon: I added an item incorrecty and want to delete it.
16:18<sun>every time ive tried f-spot it gets into some sort of initialization step involving making a lot of thumbnails and this takes so long that ive never made it past that step with my full collection, otherwise the interface seems nonintuitive to me ; i guess i need something lightweight and fast since i have a lot of photos and i dont want a lot of overhead
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16:19<Myon>steven-m: I'd try editing prefs.js or whatever the file was called
16:19<Myon>otherwise, no clue
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16:22<steven-m>Myon: can you get me the exact name and location of that file?
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16:22<Myon>it's in your profile directory
16:23<Myon>which might be in .firefox, .mozilla, or any other of that thing's zillions of names
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16:24<Mr-R>steven-m: try ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random-name>/
16:24<zepard>what is the difference bitween emacs21 and 22 why are they both on debian
16:25<zepard>I mean why two versions like this
16:25<azeem>because they are major versions
16:25<azeem>and emacs is a major package
16:25<zepard>?
16:26<azeem>they quite different, so different users on one machine might prefer one or the other
16:26<azeem>so it makes sense to have both installed
16:26<zepard>there are major versions of other editors two?
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16:26<azeem>zepard: emacs isn't just an editor
16:26<xemacs>ya got that right
16:27<zepard>you mean there is a big diiference of use between 21 and 22
16:27<steven-m>Myon: Mr-R: and it's definately prefs.js? /me doesn't want to etied the wrong one
16:27<azeem>zepard: why don't you just try and see for yourself?
16:27<Myon>steven-m: no idea, try grep
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16:28<zepard>I see the same thing that's why I ask, maybe Im not a power user on it but?
16:28<azeem>zepard: maybe
16:28<zepard>for sure
16:28<azeem>so there.
16:28<azeem>zepard: you could read the NEWS file
16:29<zepard>ok
16:29<Mr-R>steven-m: as mentioned in prefs.js, you should not edit it directly. so you have to shut down the browser first.
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16:30<steven-m>Mr-R: ok. so prefs.js is definately the ritght file.
16:31<steven-m>*right
16:31<Mr-R>steven-m: yeah. but there could be dragons... :)
16:32<steven-m>Mr-R: dragons?
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16:33<Mr-R>steven-m: you should not break the file. make a backup first.
16:33<zepard>azeem, what there is a emacs22 build for MS windows ? so I can istall it at work :D
16:34<steven-m>Mr-R: already planned to
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16:34<zepard>azeem, thx for the tip I found an answer...
16:35<Mr-R>zepard: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
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16:36<edthefox>what's a good shell to learn whilst your bored, I'd like to kearn something besides bash
16:36<edthefox>??
16:36<azeem>zsh
16:36<twb>When I do `mplayer cdda://' on this box, the playback skips, as if there isn't enough I/O bandwidth.
16:36<edthefox>!zsh
16:36<dpkg>somebody said zsh was at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/
16:36<twb>When I do `mplayer cdda://' on this box, the playback skips, as if there isn't enough I/O bandwidth. What can I do to isolate and repair the issue?
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16:41<chump_>hey guys i was wondering what a command would be for reverse name look up?
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16:42<twb>dig, host, thingy
16:43<twb>nslookup
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16:43<chump_>thanks
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17:07<chester_martins>anybody know a software to Linux like Parallels?
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17:09<Mr-R>try google: "linux virtual machine". should return vmware, xen, kvm, etc.
17:09<devil>chester_martins: virtualbox is fast
17:09<chester_martins>yes
17:09<twb>devil: that rather depends on your hardware.
17:10<shaya>anyone have experience using ramdisks in linux? (want a ram backed block device that I can use for any fs)
17:10<twb>If you don't actually need full emulation, openvz is pretty sexy.
17:10<chester_martins>what i want is having an windows partition can "go there" without close Linux
17:10<chester_martins>:p
17:10<devil>twb: well, i use it on an oldish 1 GHz and a current system, all fine
17:10<chester_martins>that exists?
17:10<twb>chester_martins: you might prefer wine
17:10<twb>chester_martins: that's a port of the w32 APIs to GNU/Linux.
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17:12<chester_martins>wine just allow me to install windows applications in Linux right?
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17:13<chester_martins>i didn't understand the part of w32 apis to Gnu/Linux :p
17:13<chester_martins>sorry...
17:13<Mr-R>chester_martins: right. wine has nothing to do with virtualisation
17:13<chester_martins>so
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17:13<chester_martins>can i get something to do what i want? :p
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17:17<panagos>how do i allow remote incoming ssh connections? i try "ssh MY_EXTERNAL_ADDERESS" but it says "Connection refused"
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17:18<xemacs>apt-get install sshd
17:18<panagos>xemacs: i have sshd installed, "ssh localhost" works
17:19<johns>(sshd is also not a package name)
17:19<panagos>is there the possibility that my isp is blocking the connection?
17:19<xemacs>possible
17:19<edthefox>!tell chester_martins about virtualbox
17:19<xemacs>also you may need to edit a file in /etc, not sure which one
17:20<defi0n>that means your isp just blocks port 22
17:20<panagos>what is the default configuration?
17:20<defi0n>you should change the sshd listen port to 54011 or whatever
17:20<defi0n>in /etc/ssh
17:20<defi0n>sshd_config
17:20<defi0n>ssh_config
17:20<johns>panagos: check /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny, /etc/ssh/sshd_config and your router
17:20<panagos>does anyone know whether sshd's default configuration allows remote connections?
17:20<defi0n>it does
17:20<azeem>panagos: did you try to login as root?
17:21<azeem>hrm, I think by default that is fine as well
17:21<panagos>azeem: you mean ssh root@... ? yes
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17:22<panagos>my /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} are only comments
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17:22<johns>panagos: can you ssh as another nonroot user? There is a specific option controlling whether root is permitted.
17:22<xemacs>check /usr/share/doc/sshd
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17:22<defi0n>isnt it just easier to change to ssh port to something other than 22, heh
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17:23<defi0n>edit the config, and restart the service or reboot
17:23<panagos>hmmm, i'll try with a different port, as defi0n said
17:23<defi0n>:)
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17:24<johns>panagos: it did not work with a different user?
17:24<panagos>johns: id doesn't even work with root
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17:24<panagos>although ssh works fine locally
17:24<johns>panagos: root is handled specially, try a different user
17:24<johns>panagos: and specially not in a good way
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17:25<johns>panagos: or check for "PermitRootLogin yes" in your sshd_config
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17:26<panagos>johns: it is yes
17:26<panagos>johns: it is "yes"
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17:27<johns>panagos: I'd also check /var/log/auth.log to see if there are any messages from sshd
17:27<johns>panagos: if it's the port, there won't be any
17:29<panagos>johns: /var/log/auth.log only has some messages from 2/11/2007 :P
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17:30<panagos>i changed the port to 23 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and now i try to connect and it stalls
17:30<panagos>with ssh -p23 ...
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17:31<johns>panagos: you can keep guessing ports all day, or you can figure out where your sshd logs messages and see what it's telling you is wrong :)
17:31<defi0n>well port 23 is also the default telnet port
17:31<defi0n>so your isp could be blocking that as well
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17:31<defi0n>try something above 1024
17:31<panagos>defi0n: i put 23 because nmap reports it as open...
17:31<panagos>hmmmm
17:31<defi0n>oh
17:32<defi0n>yeah check your logs as johns says
17:32<johns>panagos: ..and your router/firewall configuration
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17:34<alfy> LOAD [-e] aliases.tcl
17:34<panagos>i set sshd to listen to port 1500, but nmap states port 1500 as closed
17:35<panagos>my /var/log/auth.log is empty from recent messages
17:36<panagos>i have configured my router to forward all ports to my box
17:36<johns>panagos: it seems strange that there is no message from your successful localhost connections in the log file, so perhaps that's not the right log file
17:37<dmobi>is there any cpu benchmark program?
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17:38<panagos>so where does sshd put its logs?
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17:40<panagos>note: /var/log/auth.log has some messages (apparently some of them are from sshd), but they are ~2 months old
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17:43<panagos>basically, if i run nmap 127.0.0.1, it finds about 14 ports, but nmap to my external ip address reports only 2 of those!
17:44<weasel>so?
17:44<sooperkuh>Is it normal, that nowadays the Xorg server takes up around 300m of virtual memory, right after startup?
17:44<weasel>why ask nmap when netstat can tell you stuff
17:44<panagos>weasel: i didn't know about netstat :D
17:44<weasel>netstat -nlp
17:44<weasel>as root.
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17:49<steven-m>Myon: Mr-R: all sorted :-)
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17:49<Myon>cool
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17:50<steven-m>Myon: Mr-R: Thanks both of you :-)
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17:53<mikeylikesit5805>hi all i just installed debian on dell l400 laptop it will go the locked screen every 20 secs or so any ideas?
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17:54<panagos>weasel: curiously enough, ssh doesn't show up in the first group of netstat -nlp output!
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18:04<azeem>oh fsck
18:04<azeem>?rwS-wSrw- 1 daemon 35661 1 Jan 3 1970 Photos
18:05<Supaplex>azeem: is that the new typofs. it only makes a best effort on inode data?
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18:07<StrangeCharm>how can i get the equation of a trendline in gnumeric?
18:07<StrangeCharm>the R2 or Rs, if possible, would be nice
18:08<StrangeCharm>but the equation is of paramount import
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18:11<twb>I have a fun modass question.
18:12<twb>I need squashfs 3.3 in order to do rancid things to a hardy livecd
18:12<pmo>quit
18:12<pmo>\q
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18:12<twb>How can I make modass use hardy's squashfs-source package but get everything else from lenny?
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18:14<Supaplex>twb: why not take debian's m-a squashfs-source with apt-get source, and borrow the patches found in that-other-debian-like-distro?
18:15<azeem>twb: dpkg -i it, maybe
18:15<azeem>shoudln't have many depend
18:15<azeem>s
18:15<Supaplex>you know, imo, we should call them debian-wannabe instead of debian-like.
18:15<twb>Supaplex: borrow patches?
18:15<themill>:)
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18:15<themill>twb: you have to promise to give them back
18:15<twb>I call them obfuscatory bastards
18:15<xemacs>Supaplex i agree
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18:16<twb>Supaplex: I don't understand what you mean by `borrow patches'
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18:16<twb>Their squashfs-source package is a newer upstream
18:16<andersongm>boa noide
18:16<twb>It's not just diff.gz's that are different
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18:16<Supaplex>twb: then use uupdate
18:17<andersongm>sou novo no linux
18:17<azeem>!br
18:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:17<twb>So you're advising me to do the work that Ubuntu has already done?
18:17<Supaplex>twb: the diff.gs' contain the debian/ directory and included patches.
18:17<andersongm>descupa como fazo
18:17<Supaplex>twb: uupdate is a better alternative to basterdising it with ubuntu
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18:21<N2ghtCrawler>Hello, i want to shedule the command "ntpdate se.pool.ntp.org" every night at 00:00. what should i type under "command"? I get the feeling that "ntpdate se.pool.ntp.org" wont work. Im I right?
18:22<Supaplex>!rdate
18:22<Supaplex>N2ghtCrawler: this is what I use, rdate (8) - set the system's date from a remote host
18:22<twb>N2ghtCrawler: why not run ntp?
18:23<twb>ntpdate is intended only for large steps; ntp is orthogonal and makes regular small steps.
18:23<N2ghtCrawler>hum, had no idea about that actually :P
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18:25<N2ghtCrawler>twb: how does it work then? I have no command that's called ntp.
18:25<Supaplex>!installit
18:25<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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18:26<N2ghtCrawler>well, i taught it maby should be installed when i type "apt-get install ntp"
18:26<N2ghtCrawler>But maby not then..
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18:28<twb>N2ghtCrawler: apt-get install ntp
18:28<twb>N2ghtCrawler: ...then you're done.
18:28<twb>N2ghtCrawler: I guess you could change the ntp pool in /etc/default/ntp
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18:30<N2ghtCrawler>twb: is in syncing automaticly now then? When i installed it?
18:30<lolihaetpizza>Hi, i made a full system upgrade a couple of days ago and now when i close the lid on my laptop and i open it the screen is black with blue lines on it, it has an ati 7500 card in it, it was after upgrading acpid (which there were some problem upgrading) the error ocurred
18:31<twb>N2ghtCrawler: yeah
18:31<lolihaetpizza>any idea what the problem is?
18:31<twb>N2ghtCrawler: for etch you might need to install ntp-simple, too
18:31<N2ghtCrawler>okay, thank you very much, appreciated
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18:32<xemacs>lolihaetpizza that may just be a sceensaver ?
18:32<lolihaetpizza>xemacs: no its not, i cant recover from it and when i press ctrl+alt+f1 the screen changes a bit but its still weird looking
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18:35<twb>lolihaetpizza: have you tried killing X and starting it again?
18:36<twb>Sometimes if the video settings are trashed X will clean them up when it starts
18:36<lolihaetpizza>twb: yep, the screen wont recover, not even going into terminal mode helps
18:37<twb>lolihaetpizza: that's not what I said.
18:37<twb>C-M-f1 is not the same as restarting X
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18:37<lolihaetpizza>twb: no, tried ctrl+alt+backspace too
18:38<twb>OK.
18:38<twb>Reproduce the error, then, without starting X again, examine/pastebin the contents /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:38<twb>~/.xsession-errors may also have useful information, though it is less likely.
18:38<dpkg>twb: what are you talking about?
18:38<twb>dpkg: stfu
18:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg
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18:39<lolihaetpizza>twb: X starts nicely at reboot
18:40<lolihaetpizza>so it has nothing to do with X
18:40<lolihaetpizza>its just when i close the laptop lid
18:40<lolihaetpizza>so its probably acpid
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18:40<xemacs>some where is suspend
18:40<xemacs>in
18:40<lolihaetpizza>and when i am in terminal mode i can close the lid with no problem
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18:41<twb>So it *is* related to X, and the xorg log might have useful information
18:41<twb>As might dmesg
18:41<twb>Have you configured the system to enter S1 or S3 or otherwise react in any way when the lid closes?
18:41<lolihaetpizza>nope
18:41<lolihaetpizza>nothing like that
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18:42<xemacs>what kind of piazza did you feed the laptop ?
18:42<lolihaetpizza>xD
18:42<twb>A very small one?
18:42<Supaplex>I'll take a X-L Supreme with double pepperoni, and every type of cheese available.
18:43<twb>piazza /= pizza
18:43<twb>A piazza (IPA /'pjatsa/) is an open square in a city, found in Italy, and also in some other places on the Dalmatian coast and in surrounding regions. The term is roughly equivalent to the Spanish plaza. In Ethiopia, it is used to refer to a part of a city.
18:43<xemacs>sorry i cant smell
18:43<Supaplex>sorry. my stomach was reading while my eyes were busy doing something else.
18:44<Supaplex>ohhhh I see..
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18:44<lolihaetpizza>ok, dmesg shows this error: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> Link [C0C3] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
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18:45<lolihaetpizza>and Xorg.0.log shows this: (II) RADEON(0): Damage tracking initialized for page flipping
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18:46<Supaplex>sure that's not a Frag counter? ;)
18:47<twb>lolihaetpizza: please pastebin the WHOLE THING
18:47<lolihaetpizza>twb: will do
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18:48<xemacs>progress !!
18:48<Supaplex>xemacs: [======== 12.5% ETA: 3years ]
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18:50<azeem>hrm, is it moderately safe to ^C a e2fsck?
18:50<xemacs>define safe ;) i would not do it
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18:51<Tarcas>you won't be injured, if that's what you mean. :-P
18:51<azeem>that said, I got a file system with lots of errors, can ^C at one point and continue fixing them later, or are the fixes/changes even only written at the end of the check
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18:54<lolihaetpizza>here is the Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m66073a54
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18:55<lolihaetpizza>and here is dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m3c16382d
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19:05<lolihaetpizza>anyone?
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19:06<miksuh>lolihaetpizza: ?
19:06<valdyn>lolihaetpizza: why would you think that either of these messages you pasted was an error?
19:07<lolihaetpizza>dunno, im just frustrated over this
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19:10<killer>anyone who have latest fglrx drivers installed could paste me his xorg.conf, please?
19:10<killer>(EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized.
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19:29<eduardo>sup
19:29<cristhian>wenas
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19:41<ed__>hello - is Debian testing a good idea for Desktops?
19:41<streuner>yes
19:42*streuner use Debian as Desktop System many years
19:42<ed__>Thanks... I've been running stable each time I've ran it - no wonder I found it out of date!
19:42<streuner>there are backports
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19:42<ed__>How will Lenny compare to Gutsy?
19:42<ed__>Hmm, heard of those.
19:42<streuner>no idea about "Gutsy"
19:42<ed__>Ubuntu
19:42<ed__>7.10
19:42<streuner>sure
19:43<streuner>Do you think Debian is 20 years befind new devel? ;-)
19:43<user01>i didnt think debian was around that long
19:43<streuner>s/befind/behind/
19:43<ed__>Not 20...
19:43<user01>:)
19:43-!-Gekkko [~gekko@CPE-138-130-124-85.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #debian
19:44<ed__>Though I noticed that stable could be pretty annoying in its apps. I want Gimp 2.4not22... 2.2 has a horrible bug for me.
19:44<ed__>*not 2.2
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19:44<user01>no backport?
19:44<ed__>So the prospect of esting apeals to me.
19:44<streuner>well, ok, say what feature you need? :-P
19:44<ed__>I'm to newbish to understandbckports.
19:44<streuner>!backports
19:44<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org>
19:44<ed__>Sorry, I'm typing badly.
19:45<ed__>Yeah I'm reading debian reference now.
19:45<bluebaffoon>DSL Sucks
19:45<ed__>Cheers dpkg... are you a bot?
19:45<ed__>:P
19:45<ed__>DSL?
19:45<themill>dpkg: are you a bot
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19:45<streuner>dpkg, what are you?
19:45<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
19:45<bluebaffoon>I cant wait to switch back to Time warner cable ... 10 Mbps .. woo hoo
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19:45<themill>dpkg: g'night
19:45<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
19:46<streuner>dondelcaro: thanks
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19:46<ed__>Wow, is it just me or is that one smart bot?
19:46<streuner>dondelelcaro: thanks
19:46<bluebaffoon>ed__ : I had problems with time warner, I thought 3.0 Mbps is fast .. and faster as a matter of fact. Big mistake. I hope they can fix their network in NYC
19:46<themill>dpkg: you're smart
19:46<dpkg>beyond your comprehension
19:46<bluebaffoon>Timewarner that is
19:47<streuner>ed__: nm :-)
19:47<user01>bluebaffoon, time warner killed hd dvd i think can you trust them? :)
19:47*ed__ does not know what he shouldn't mind, but makes an attempt to stay on topic without descending to obsession with bots
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19:48<ed__>And blubaffoon, 3 mbpgs is heavenly for me. I get 240 kb/s!
19:48<themill>ed__: don't mind us... the bots keep us company when there's no one else here....
19:48<ed__>*shuns AOL*
19:48<ed__>Haha lol
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19:49<user01>i pay $59 for 50 kb/s :)
19:49<themill>Actually, dpkg has me on ignore on freenode atm. I was messing with it's head too much.
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19:49<bluebaffoon>ed__ Mbps is equivalent to 350 kb/s max ...
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19:49<bluebaffoon>its megabits not mega bytes
19:49<ed__>I just seem to remember people got annoyed with me on Ubuntu when I kept tricking the bots into saying silly things. Anyway, is Debian lenny as stable as ubuntu Gutsy? What about up-to-dateness?
19:49<bluebaffoon>they got me too
19:49<streuner>themill: abuse?
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19:50<bluebaffoon>timewarner is abt 10 Mbps but it runs at 5 mbps max .... go figure
19:50<streuner>ed__: who knows?
19:50<bluebaffoon>atleast verizon runs at the quoted 3 Mbps speed
19:50<streuner>ed__: i only run Debian not ubuntu...
19:50<ed__>Hmm, I sometimes wonder why ubuntu exists.
19:51<bluebaffoon>3.0 Mbps is 350 KB/s max
19:51<ed__>Okay, so they have a slightly different way of doing things, but is it worth making a new distro about it?
19:51<ed__>Oh?
19:51<bluebaffoon>same with 56 Kbps its equivable to 7 KB/s max ... sucks ...
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19:52<Maulkin>3Mbit = 384KB/s max
19:52<bluebaffoon>Maulkin : point well taken
19:52<ed__>I thought that 1mbps == 1024 kbps. I mean, they stand for megabyte per second and kilobyte per second, right?
19:52<Maulkin>1Mbit = 128KB/sec max
19:52<defi0n>hi
19:52<defi0n>:P
19:52<Maulkin>Now, you can drop that a little depending on how you connect
19:52<bluebaffoon>ed no .....
19:52<defi0n>ed__: technically
19:52<ed__>Technically?
19:52<defi0n>but mb/s is different than mbps
19:52<Maulkin>And that's before you hit line quality
19:53<ed__>Oh...
19:53<bluebaffoon>3.0 Mbps = 3,000,000 bits divide that by 8000 to get KB/s
19:53<ed__>Oh aye.
19:53<defi0n>but an easy way to figure it out is
19:53<ed__>So it's Megabits per second?
19:53<Maulkin>1 byte = 8 bit.
19:53<defi0n>just assume 1mbps = 100kb/s
19:53<ed__>kk
19:53<defi0n>and then add a little bit more
19:53<defi0n>:)
19:54<defi0n>1mb/s = 10mbps
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19:54<ed__>though I'd assume it was more like 125 kb/s
19:54<defi0n>10mbps = 10,000 kb/s
19:54<defi0n>(basically)
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19:54<defi0n>ed__: yeah, thats about right
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19:54<bluebaffoon>defi0n : no 1,000 KB/s or 10,000,000 bits/second
19:54<Maulkin>And bear in mind 1Mbit = 1000 Kbit, or 1024Kbit, or 1048.5Kbit
19:55<Maulkin>Depending on who's feeling lucky today
19:55<defi0n>lol but who calculates by bits
19:55<Maulkin>defi0n: anyone who makes your internet connection work.
19:55<bluebaffoon>defi0n 8 bits = 1 Byte
19:55<user01>cable internet and dsl marketers apparently
19:55<defi0n>yeah yeah
19:55<defi0n>anyways
19:55<ed__>Hmm, surely if 1 mbps == 125 kb.s, 10 mbps == 1250kb/s?
19:55<defi0n>im on a 10mbit line anyhow
19:56<Maulkin>And isps, and people who run servers, or anyone to do with networks or telecoms...
19:56<defi0n>50mbit here soon maybe
19:56<bluebaffoon>defi0n : really ?
19:56<defi0n>i would have to pay 10 euros more though
19:56<bluebaffoon>t3 ?
19:56<defi0n>yeah :D
19:56<defi0n>i dunno
19:56<Maulkin>...
19:56<defi0n>its just a line into my house
19:56<Maulkin>t3... haven't heared that in YEARS :)
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19:56<ed__>Does the UK have a reputation for awful internet connections?
19:56<defi0n>no no
19:56<bluebaffoon>defi0n : I should have 10 Mbps by this weekend
19:56<defi0n>quite opposite
19:57<Maulkin>Don't see why. I've got 20Mbit.
19:57<user01>UK has a reputation for insane cost of living
19:57<ed__>Opposite eh?
19:57<defi0n>bluebaffon: fiber optics? that is the best stuff out
19:57<bluebaffoon>t3 is 155 Mbps /sec
19:57<ed__>Oh?
19:57<user01>at least in london
19:57<ed__>Well maybe I should ge tout of here!
19:57<ed__>lol
19:57<ed__>London, maybe.
19:57<streuner>user01: hehe, London is pretty expensive :-)
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19:57<defi0n>Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, France, all have GREAT all you need internet connections for typical residential budgets
19:57<Maulkin>London is insane. You don't wanna do that :)
19:58<bluebaffoon>I hear Japan has a really good network ... 15 Mbps/sec ... american businessmen just fuck their customers over
19:58<user01>defi0n, what about belgium?
19:58<defi0n>you can get like an 100mbit line for the price of highspeed cable in the us
19:58<ed__>i heard that France has good internet.
19:58<user01>:)
19:58<defi0n>user01: no idea ;)
19:58<bluebaffoon>and they've had that for a while
19:58<defi0n>but prolly good
19:58<defi0n>austrailia = worst
19:58<defi0n>heh
19:58<defi0n>i dont see how anyone could use more than 10mbps
19:58<streuner>nah, Sweden has best i-net connection, pretty fast and cheap
19:58<Maulkin>Anyway... I haven't helped, but this is WAY off topic. Off to #moocows everyone :)
19:58<user01>defi0n, it depends where you are in australia
19:58<Maulkin>Love, me.
19:58<defi0n>unless you are running a busy web server
19:58<bluebaffoon>america has the worst
19:58<defi0n>alright, anyways...
19:58<streuner>!love Maulkin
19:58*dpkg makes love to Maulkin, caressing Maulkin's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Maulkin's ear...
19:59<defi0n>nah
19:59<user01>americas is pretty bad
19:59<defi0n>austrailia has terrible routing though
19:59<Maulkin>Don't make me kline you dpkg :)
19:59<streuner>haha
19:59<defi0n>i am from the US :P
19:59<user01>defi0n, yeah the delays are bad
20:00<defi0n>Maulkin: huh?? we are talking about debian server speeds ;)
20:00<Maulkin>defi0n: That's far too far fetched.
20:00<defi0n>??
20:00<Tarcas>bluebaffoon, you mentioned a T3 is 155 mbps? OC3 is 155, DS3, AKA a T3, is 45 Mbps.
20:00<user01>honestly having been about to different places ive found belgium the best for internet
20:00<defi0n>wait forget me hehe
20:00<defi0n>my UP line is 10mbit
20:00<Maulkin>Please keep it directly relevent to... ah meh. Screw it. Bed. Can't be bothered. Laters.
20:00<defi0n>but my down line is 1000mbit
20:01<defi0n>aka
20:01<defi0n>1GBIT!
20:01<user01>im sure there are places in germany that are better
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20:01<defi0n>i wonder if they have 1000gbit, or even 100gbit?
20:01<Maulkin>FWIW, /me has Gbit FD peered to LONAP, but *shrug*
20:01<defi0n>6,000 per month? lol
20:01<Maulkin>And yes, multi-gig exists.
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20:01<user01>and for some reason israel seems to be fast
20:01<defi0n>that would be INSANE
20:01<defi0n>(the jews)
20:02<streuner>heh
20:02<user01>the fastest debian server i could find on my network was there
20:02<defi0n>nah but i'm just kidding guys
20:02<defi0n>that speed i was talking about
20:02<user01>and im like closer to chicago
20:02*Maulkin wasn't.
20:02<Tarcas>defi0n, Terrabit is technically possible over fiber. Only limitation there is how fast you can switch you laser. If you use WDM you can use multiple lasers )of different colors) to multiply by the speed of each.
20:02<defi0n>is only my root servers speed lol
20:02<streuner>well, there are some countries which have very welll i-net connections, but not big countries...
20:02<ed__>Is building packages from source really as easy as 2.2.13 Building binary packages from a source package implies, or shall I read the new maintainer's guide?
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20:02<bluebaffoon>what does kernel.org have ?
20:03<bluebaffoon>that shit is pretty fast
20:03<defi0n>im on a typical residential USA line :P :/
20:03<defi0n>but own servers with gbit
20:03<Maulkin>ed__: it's a good idea to have a look through the nm guide, but it should just work with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
20:03<user01>i think europe gets it cheaper and better because more people live in apartment buildings where as everyone is spread out home residential in the states
20:03<Tarcas>I think kernel.org has an OC3, but that's a foggy memory.
20:03<Maulkin>ed__: that's assuming you have a Debian source.
20:03<defi0n>apt-get install debian kthx bye
20:04<Maulkin>defi0n: That's not helpful
20:04<defi0n>im kidding :P
20:04<Maulkin>Kid quietly please :)
20:04<user01>australia had pretty bad service in the outback...golf coast was good
20:04<user01>gold
20:04<bluebaffoon>is Reiser Fs faster and better than ext3 ? I just switched to it
20:05<defi0n>what about....hmmm, .pt?
20:05<streuner>!filesystems
20:05<dpkg>Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/
20:05<defi0n>and what country is .ee?
20:05<streuner>Ireland
20:05<Maulkin>ed__: In any case, reading the NM guide helps you work out why you're doing various options. If you need basic help in packaging stuff, #debian-mentors is probably best, though it's quite a bit quieter :)
20:05<defi0n>no thats .ie...
20:05<user01>ie is ireland i think
20:05<defi0n>yeh
20:05<Maulkin>bluebaffoon: It's hard to say better.
20:05<defi0n>but .ee?? wth
20:05<bluebaffoon>Maulkin : I hear its good for lots of small files
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20:06<bluebaffoon>I read that its stable and reliable
20:06<defi0n>birdie.fly.freeee.ee
20:06<Maulkin>bluebaffoon: in my experience, it can be faster. But it's... well....
20:06<Tarcas>bluebaffoon: Reiser is fastest, but has been known to simply lose data.
20:06<Maulkin>!ricerfs
20:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs>
20:06<Maulkin>That, basically
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20:07<user01>per the statistics bermuda and the netherlands are the most wired countries
20:07<Maulkin>Though I did run it in production for years and have no problems with it. And I've run it in development situations and had it explode.
20:07<Maulkin>YMMV.
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20:07<user01>36.5% of people in bermuda have a broadband account
20:07<bluebaffoon>I read on gentoo website reiser is safe
20:08<streuner>well, thats gentoo :-)
20:08<defi0n>user01: that is terrible
20:08<defi0n>but how fast do you mean by broadband?
20:08<Tarcas>bluebaffoon: It may be, but I strongly recommend keeping backups.
20:08<Maulkin>bluebaffoon: That's nice for gentoo. I woudn't trust it with my data.
20:08<streuner>bluebaffoon: "Reiser" thinks, a FS should be updated very soon, its fast but not stable...
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20:09<user01>defi0n, good question . . . http://www.internetworldstats.com/dsl.htm
20:09<Maulkin>bluebaffoon: I hope you read that ReiserFS is safe... not Reiser...
20:09*Maulkin hides
20:09*defi0n reads
20:09<defi0n>heh
20:09*Tarcas smacks Maulkin
20:09<defi0n>yeah, yeah
20:09<Maulkin>bluebaffoon: see http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php
20:10<Maulkin>now really, *gone*
20:10<streuner>bluebaffoon: in *ANY* case, you should use backups, no matter what FS you are using
20:10<defi0n>ok, cya
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20:18<rapid>Hello everyone
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20:26<bluebaffoon>they said XFS is more stable .. uses less CPU and is faster for files > 500 Mb
20:26<bluebaffoon>MB .. not bits
20:26<bluebaffoon>heh
20:28<user01>hmmm what if i forgot my nickserv password?
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20:28<Lynx>you can recover it to your mailadress
20:29<user01>OFTC is fine freenode isnt working
20:29<user01>thought they were the same
20:30<Supaplex>nope :}
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21:30<Diems_>hi
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21:31<Diems_>I have a problem installing lan driver, can somebody help me?
21:32<mikeylikesit5805>hi all i was wondering if by disabling acpi it would affect the battery life considerably?
21:33<Diems_>Linux Kernel source not configured - missing autoconf.h ??
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21:33<mikeylikesit5805>sorry diems_ i would help but i dont know much about that
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21:33<Diems_>tks!
21:34<Diems_> does somebody know?
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21:36<jesse-ha>does anyone know what package the file libX11.so.6 originates from so I know what package to install
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21:40<Tarcas>Diems, are you compiling it into the kernel?
21:40<blarson>mikeylikesit5805: It could, if things like speed-step, fan slowing, etc are using it.
21:41<gsimmons>!tell jesse-ha -about search
21:41<Tarcas>gsimmons, last time I checked, the package search function on the Debian site was disabled.
21:42<mikeylikesit5805>thanks blarson
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21:44<gsimmons>Tarcas: WFM. There's always apt-file too.
21:45<defi0n>apt-get install defi0n's keylo..cater?
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21:47<defi0n>+OK kL.gl02pqOb.
21:47<defi0n>+OK sr/Xw/jnX4W.S00lG1CA6Gl0EIBf6/lSLms..WdY3.l0lRc.3FeH20yacX2.rVaER.AmOYU.
21:47<defi0n>off now
21:48<defi0n>did it work?
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21:49<zl2tod>hmmm ... libnss-db 2.2.3pre1-2.1 seems to have left things somewhat broken
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21:55<zl2tod>stupid bloody thing has deleted the contents of /var/misc/db ... this breaks ssh and munin that I have found so far
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22:17<jesse-ha>I'm trying to run a program from the command line and I get this error message: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
22:18<dondelelcaro>that's because for whatever reason, DISPLAY isn't set to a valid X server that you can connect to.
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22:19<DaCapn>if you guys change to a new mobo+cpu (same architecture) do you usually do a fresh install or do you just swap everything else in and call it good?
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22:19<dondelelcaro>just swap everything
22:20<zl2tod>jesse-ha, that often happens when you try an run a program that needs X from a root window, use 'sudo command' from an xterm and it might work
22:21<jesse-ha>i dont think i have whatever that is installed..
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22:24<zl2tod>which program are you trying to run ?
22:27<jesse-ha>What is "X"?
22:28<zl2tod>the windowing gui
22:29<jesse-ha>where can i get it?
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22:29<arsenal>hey
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23:08<RIVE>Hello, good night.
23:09<rapiddemon>Hi RichiH
23:09<rapiddemon>**RIVE
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23:42<jesse-ha>k so i installed the x-windowing-system yet when i try to run a certain program I get the error: "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
23:42<jesse-ha>Anyone have any ideas?
23:42<gesuto>I have a problem with NFS. I have succesfully mounted a directory before nut I can not figure out what would make every file in it look like this:
23:42<gesuto>?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /home/backup/vmdk.zip
23:43<gesuto>s/nut/but/
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23:43<dli>jesse-ha, are you running a wm or gnome/kde?
23:43<jesse-ha>wm?
23:44<gesuto>fstab: server:/home/username /home/backup nfs user,rw,noauto,exec,suid,nodev 0 0
23:44<dli>jesse-ha, how did you install x-window, or tell me what you are running, or at least, how do you run the program, when it fails with the error message
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23:45<jesse-ha>command line, and i installed x-window-system via apt-get on a system that was installed from the netinst.iso image
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23:47<dli>jesse-ha, you didn't provide any info useful
23:47<dli>!ask
23:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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23:50<jesse-ha>My system is a base netinst install that boots to a command line. I have the x-windowing-system installed that I apparently need for a program called vmware player. However when i try to run the program I get the error "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" Does this explain better?
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23:52<defi0n>try "dpkg xorg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
23:52<zl2tod>jesse-ha, you need xwindows to be actually running. Once again, which program are you trying to run ?
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23:53<jesse-ha>"...need for a program called vmware player. However when i..." -- vmware player
23:53<jesse-ha>I'm not sure where it exactly installed to whats the name of the file I invoke to run x
23:53<defi0n>try ctrl-alt-backspace
23:54<defi0n>it resets x11 window system
23:54<defi0n>or find the x11 executable, and sudo ./X11
23:54<defi0n>i think its /bin/x11 or something
23:55<defi0n>i have had the same issue
23:55<defi0n>and configuring, and then opening x11 manually did the trick
23:55<defi0n>twas when i used Ubuntu
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23:56<jesse-ha>i also tried to search for it..., only found a folder
23:56<defi0n>try "ls -a"
23:56<defi0n>incase it's hidden...
23:56<defi0n>when you are in the folder
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23:57<jesse-ha>Its not there. Not sure what to do (being a noob sucks >.< )
23:57<defi0n>lol
23:58<defi0n>yeah i was once a n00b
23:58<defi0n>now im uber-1337
23:58<defi0n>alright, first off
23:58<defi0n>make sure GTK is installed properly
23:58<defi0n>sudo apt-get install GTK --fix-missing
23:58<defi0n>tell me results
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23:58<TrackPoint>°¡ ûÈË°¡
23:59<jesse-ha>"apt-get install gtk --fix-missing" E: Couldn't find package gtk
23:59<defi0n>wait, oops :P
23:59<defi0n>try apt-get install x11 --fix-missing
23:59<jesse-ha>same error
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