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---Logopened Wed Jan 16 00:00:02 2008
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00:00<The_Chad>i believe so
00:00<jello>imperia: if it must be private...
00:00<imperia>i can try here and being kicked
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00:01<jello>er, why should you be kicked? just use a pastebin if necessary...
00:01<dli>imperia, ask the person before private msg
00:02<jello>dli: he did :)
00:02<imperia>%%
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00:02<jello>The_Chad: do you have devices for your disks in /dev ?
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00:04<The_Chad>is there any way to tell? (i'm really quite new to linux) and i just ran the standard install
00:05<Live_Free>`/dev/hdc, /dev/hdc1, /dev/hdc2, /dev/hdc5`
00:05<jello>The_Chad: ls -l /dev/sd* /dev/hd*
00:06<jello>Live_Free: ok, so you connected your disk to the second IDE channel, so it's now /dev/hdc instead of /dev/hda
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00:06<jello>Live_Free: two ways to fix, reconnect it to the first IDE channel
00:06<imperia>not much success with pastebin :(
00:06<jello>Live_Free: or easier, just edit the config files to use hdc instead of hda
00:07<jello>shouldn't be that hard... paste.debian.net
00:07<blarson>or better, edit the config to mount by uuid or label.
00:07<jello>or pm me
00:07<jello>blarson: first get it to boot, then get fancy :)
00:07<jello>but yes, in theory, that's best
00:08<Live_Free>which config file do i need to edit?
00:08<jello>or configure udev to have a static name for the disk...
00:08<jello>Live_Free: probably /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab
00:08<jello>Live_Free: you'll have to manually mount the partitions first... :)
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00:09<Live_Free>that shouldn't be too hard because its all in one partition
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00:09<jello>Live_Free: unless you're using lilo rather than grub...
00:10<Live_Free>using grub
00:10<imperia>here http://paste.debian.net/46981 . can you tell me why i see those lines twice?
00:10<jello>imperia: this is from /var/log/syslog ?
00:11<imperia>from dmesg
00:11<jello>this is a permanent hard drive or a usb drive?
00:12<imperia>permanent hdd
00:12<The_Chad>ok "ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory"
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00:12<jello>imperia: dunno, i get that with my usb drive but not my hdd
00:12<jello>The_Chad: what about /dev/sd*
00:12<imperia>you get it twice?
00:12<jello>yeah
00:12<The_Chad>and the it reads 6 directories under sd: sda, sda1, sbd,sdb1,sdb2,sdb5
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00:14<imperia>jello: i am asking because after that i see another message twice... that lvm is mounting 'debian
00:14<imperia>volume
00:14<jello>http://paste.debian.net/46984
00:15<jello>The_Chad: ok, you have two hard disks i presume...
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00:15<The_Chad>i do
00:15<imperia>i have 1
00:15<jello>or maybe sda is a cdrom...
00:16<The_Chad>if this helps at all, when i installed debian, i unplugged my main hard disk, because i didn't want to risk it reformatting my main hard disk as well
00:16<Live_Free>jello: tried `mount /`, `mount -a', cannot read /etc/fstab
00:16<jello>Live_Free: right, you need to specify all the options to mount
00:16<jello>are you using ext3?
00:16<Live_Free>yes
00:17<imperia>jello: what is that sd module that inits the hard disks? does it have any config files?
00:17<jello>try: mkdir -p /mnt/root; mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/hdc1 /mnt/root
00:18<The_Chad>me?
00:18<jello>The_Chad: no, that was for Live_Free
00:18<The_Chad>ok
00:18<Live_Free>what is /mnt/root?
00:18<jello>a random directory where we'll mount your root fs so that we can change the config files necessary...
00:19<Live_Free>oic
00:19<jello>The_Chad: i'm going to guess that sda is you main hdd that you've plugged back in by now
00:19<jello>and that sdb is your linux disk
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00:20<jello>The_Chad: does that sound right?
00:20<The_Chad>umm
00:20<The_Chad>i'd guess that to
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00:20<The_Chad>my main disk is on sata 0 and that disk is on sata 3 and yes, i have plugged my main disk back in
00:20<jello>The_Chad: try fdisk -l /dev/hda
00:20<Live_Free>jello: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
00:20<jello>Live_Free: good!
00:21<Live_Free>ok lemme go scroll back up for the files :)
00:21<jello>Live_Free: now you need to edit /mnt/root/etc/fstab and /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst
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00:21<posix>is there an easy way to run purge on all packages that have been removed but not purged? (the 'c' flag in aptitude)
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00:21<The_Chad>ok jello, fdisk responded with not found
00:22<posix>I know I can limit display with '~c' in the aptitude ide, but afaik I then have to go one-by-one marking them with '_'
00:22<jello>The_Chad: sorry, fdisk -l /dev/sda
00:22<The_Chad>ok
00:22<jello>posix: check the manpage/docs ?
00:23<The_Chad>apparently
00:23<jello>personally, i would just write a one-line script to do it
00:23<The_Chad>it cna't find that
00:23<The_Chad>can't*
00:23<jello>eh? i thought you said /dev/sda existed...
00:23<imperia>maybe /dev/sdb?
00:23<jello>The_Chad: ls -l /dev/sda again...
00:23<Live_Free>jello: i am not sure what to edit, in fstab i have hda1 = /, hda5 = swap, hdc, fd0
00:23<The_Chad>ok
00:23<jello>imperia: well, both should be there...
00:24<jello>Live_Free: / now = hdc1, swap = hdc5
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00:24<jello>don't know what hdc was, maybe a cdrom drive that's not connected to the new machine?
00:24<The_Chad>yeah, it says the directory exists
00:25<jello>fd0 was probably a floppy drive that's not in the new computer
00:25<Live_Free>yes it is supposed to be a cdrom, it is presently disco'd
00:25<jello>Live_Free: if you're going to hook it up to the new machine, change it to hda
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00:25<Live_Free>so hdc = hard drives?
00:25<Live_Free>not hda?
00:25<jello>The_Chad: /dev/sda isn't a directory, it's a block device file
00:26<jello>Live_Free: apparently...
00:26<The_Chad>well
00:26<The_Chad>it does exist
00:26<The_Chad>but if i try and use the fdisk command to reach it
00:26<kcynice>"AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'StatusIcon' " ,why?
00:26<The_Chad>it just responds with not found
00:26<jello>The_Chad: out of curiosity, try /dev/sdb
00:27<jello>The_Chad: that is, fdisk -l /dev/sdb
00:27<The_Chad>ok
00:27<jello>kcynice: where/when do you get that message?
00:28<jello>The_Chad: what was the output?
00:28<The_Chad>it responds with not found either
00:28<jello>lovely
00:28<The_Chad>really?
00:28<kcynice>jello:I change my debian to testing and install miro
00:28<jello>The_Chad: no, sarcasm... :(
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00:29<kcynice>when the installation ended,I want to start the program.such error occured.
00:29<Live_Free>jello: ok, now hdc1 = /, hdc5 = swap, hdc = hda correct?
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00:29<The_Chad>ohh
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00:29<The_Chad>i shall be away for a tick, just got a phone call to take
00:29<jello>Live_Free: sounds right
00:29<jello>Live_Free: now edit menu.lst
00:30<jello>Live_Free: look for "groot="
00:30<Live_Free>`/mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.1st is empty
00:30<kcynice>jello: I used "apt-get install miro " command
00:30<imperia>its lst
00:31<imperia>like lost
00:31<imperia>or list
00:31<jello>Live_Free: it's a lowercase L, not a 1 (one)
00:31<jello>kcynice: no idea, sorry
00:31*Live_Free oops
00:32<kcynice>jello:thanks all the same.
00:32<jello>np
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00:32<jello>Live_Free: find it?
00:32<Live_Free>groot = is commented out
00:32<Live_Free>`#groot =
00:33<jello>good, but what does it say?
00:33<jello>just like that??
00:33<Live_Free># groot = (hd0,0)
00:33<The_Chad>ok back for the moment jello, i just tried unplugging my main hard disk and restarting.. and now it boots into the login screen fine
00:34<jello>ok, it's probably renumbering your disks with it plugged in and that's giving you the problem...
00:34<jello>similar to what happened to Live_Free
00:34<The_Chad>ohh...
00:35<The_Chad>so i need to reinstall with the main disk plugged in
00:35<jello>Live_Free: ok, change it to "# groot = (hd2,0)"
00:35<Live_Free>uncomment?
00:35<jello>no!
00:35<imperia>no
00:35<Live_Free>nm
00:35<jello>Live_Free: also look at the kopt= line above it
00:35<Live_Free>how did you arrive at hd2 btw
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00:35<Live_Free>trying to understand as we go
00:36<imperia>its like /dev/hdc not /dev/hda
00:37<jello>grub has it's own nomenclature for naming hard drives...
00:37<jello>read all about it in the grub documentation...
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00:37<Live_Free>ok i will google it, so basically grub names your hard drives when it loads?
00:38<jello>well, it counts them in it's own special way
00:38<jello>and has to know which number to look at to find the root fs, etc...
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00:38<imperia>more like you are telling grub which hdd to use
00:38<jello>Live_Free: what was on the kopt line?
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00:39<The_Chad>ok, so was i correcting in thinking i need to reinstall debian? or is there a way i could just get it to ignore my main disk?
00:39<Live_Free>kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
00:39<jello>The_Chad: there is a way, however it's probably much easier/faster to reinstall if you haven't done much yet
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00:39<The_Chad>ok
00:39<jello>Live_Free: ok, you'll need to change that to hdc1, rather than hda1
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00:39<Live_Free>does everyone have to do this when they move a drive or does grub try to do it automatically and sometimes gets confused?
00:40<The_Chad>it won't format my main disk will it if i choose auto partition?
00:40<jello>Live_Free: no automagic in this, yet...
00:41<jello>The_Chad: i never use the auto partition, so i don't know
00:41<jello>i would hope not
00:41<The_Chad>could you guide me through a method that would make sure it didn't? because i really don't want to lose that disk :)
00:42<jello>sure, boot the installer and let me know when you're at the partitioning step
00:42<The_Chad>ok
00:42<The_Chad>cheers
00:42<Live_Free>jello: back at the shell
00:43<jello>Live_Free: lovely, now for the fun part :)
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00:43<jello>Live_Free: chroot /mnt/root
00:43<Live_Free>this has all been interesting so far
00:43<Live_Free>sh: no job control in this shell
00:43<jello>ok
00:44<jello>ls -l /boot/grub/menu.lst
00:44<The_Chad>ok jello, i'm at my partitioning step
00:44<jello>The_Chad: what are your choices?
00:44<Live_Free>ls: no such file or directory
00:44<The_Chad>guided, guided with lvm, guided with encrypted lvm, or manual
00:45<jello>Live_Free: rats, chroot didn't work...
00:45<Live_Free>hold on i am an idiot, typed 1
00:45<kcynice>jello:my last error because "File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/miro/frontend_implementation/trayicon.py", line 31, in ? class Trayicon(gtk.StatusIcon):"
00:45<jello>Live_Free: edit /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst again
00:45<jello>Live_Free: you'll have to do a search and replace
00:45<kcynice>jello:any advise?
00:45<jello>kcynice: sorry, no
00:46<Live_Free>it listed that file
00:46<jello>The_Chad: guided sounds okay
00:46<kcynice>jello:ok
00:46<The_Chad>ok
00:46<jello>is the PTS down?
00:47<jello>never mind
00:47<jello>The_Chad: what's next?
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00:47<Live_Free>vi /mnt/root/boot/grub/menu.lst was an empty file
00:47<jello>Live_Free: oh, good!
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00:48<jello>Live_Free: make sure that /boot/grub/menu.lst has the changes you've made to kopt and groot
00:48<The_Chad>im currently formatting the disk :)
00:48<jello>hopefully the right one :)
00:48<Live_Free>no it doesn't
00:49<skyblue88>good
00:49<jello>did you save before ?
00:49<Live_Free>yes :wq
00:49<jello>hrm
00:49<jello>well, you get to make them again...
00:49<jello>check /etc/fstab while you're at it
00:49<Live_Free>go back to mkdir?
00:49<jello>no
00:50<jello>just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
00:50<Live_Free>fstab is correct
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00:50<jello>you're basically in your regular system now
00:50<jello>without everything started...
00:50<jello>Live_Free: so fix menu.lst and make sure it saves :)
00:51<jello>Live_Free: then run /usr/sbin/update-grub
00:51<kcynice>jello:I have fixed that error by install "python-gtk2"
00:51<Live_Free>i was incorrect menu.lst was saved, user changed e.g. hd2 and not the actual hd2 line
00:51<jello>Live_Free: then you should be able to reboot directly into your new system
00:52<The_Chad>umm.. is it usual for the security updates at security.debian.org to be unavailable?
00:52<Live_Free>what is the equivilent to shutdown in this shell
00:52<Live_Free>since i can't do a shutdown?
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00:52<jello>kcynice: if it's that necessary, it should've been a depends on miro
00:52<jello>kcynice: and indeed it is...
00:52<jello>kcynice: how come you didn't have it installed??
00:52<kcynice>jello:i am beginer,i don't know why
00:53<jello>kcynice: apt-get install -f
00:53<jello>Live_Free: /sbin/reboot
00:53<jello>The_Chad: it happens...
00:54<jello>The_Chad: although i can access security.d.o fine...
00:54<kcynice>jello:perhaps.but no need now,miro can launch now.Thanks
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00:54<jello>kcynice: you should do it now anyways in case something else is messed up
00:55<jello>Live_Free: ok, so where are you now?
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00:56<Live_Free>rebooting, it is failing a lot of irq probes and looks like it is going to go to shell again
00:56<Live_Free>i am at begin: waiting for root file system
00:57<jello>Live_Free: reboot, and stop at the grub menu
00:57*jello yawns
00:57<jello>The_Chad: how's it going?
00:59<Live_Free>how do i stop grub from autoselecting a menu item?
01:00<imperia>press up or down arrow :)
01:00<imperia>press e over your kernel choise
01:01<Live_Free>k
01:01<Live_Free>have options
01:01<jello>what are the boot options?
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01:01<jello>is it using hd2 and hdc?
01:01<Live_Free>no hd0 & hda
01:02<jello>ok, looks like update-grub didn't work
01:02<jello>just change them as appropriate and then boot
01:03<jello>with the 'b' key
01:03<jello>sorry guys, must run...
01:03<jello>wife is calling
01:03<jello>good night all!
01:03<Supaplex> oohhhh jello
01:03<imperia>good night
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01:04*Supaplex has some exolent chocolates from Christmas .oO{ Nom Nom Nom ... }
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01:05<JustSoul3>good morning..
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01:10<The_Chad>ohh jello, its just been busy downloading the rest of the copy as this was a netinstall cd, 7 minutes remaining
01:11<Supaplex>jello is the /quit
01:11<The_Chad>ohh ok
01:11<The_Chad>just read the text lol
01:11<Corrine>so much for bios updates fixing this stupid NIC
01:12<The_Chad>i could give you my old card if you want
01:12<The_Chad>unfortunately, its an isa card, so you'll probably have less luck with it than your current one
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01:17<Supaplex>Corrine: do you live anywhere near Hill AFB?
01:17<Corrine>vaugly
01:17<Corrine>it's 40 minutes or so north of here
01:18<Corrine>why?
01:18<Supaplex>Corrine: I have many 10/100 cards idling around
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01:19<Corrine>eh, have plenty myself
01:19<Corrine>well, two
01:20<Corrine>I'm just stubborn
01:20<The_Chad>i've got about 3 but ones an isa, and ones wireless, and the others half broken
01:20<Supaplex>*nod*
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01:20<Corrine>heck, I know for certain the one is the power sucking hunk of metal next to me works, and it's from before onboard cards
01:21<The_Chad>*gulp*
01:21<The_Chad>what speed is it?
01:21<Corrine>the card?
01:21<Corrine>10/100
01:21<Corrine>it was a nice system when it was new
01:21<The_Chad>ohh yeah, for a card that old, its pretty fast
01:22<Corrine>The U used it for 3d animation classes or somesuch
01:22<Supaplex>!u
01:22<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
01:22<Supaplex>oh my bad.
01:22<Corrine>heh
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01:23<Supaplex>Corrine: btw, freenode has #utah if you want to chat with the locals
01:25<The_Chad>hey guys
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01:25<The_Chad>i just installed grub to my main hard disks mbr
01:25<The_Chad>and when my pc reboots
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01:25<The_Chad>and i pick debian/debian single user or vista
01:26<The_Chad>it comes up with error 13
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01:26<The_Chad>would i have to go to grub specific channel for help with that?
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01:27<Supaplex>The_Chad: no. what have you tried so far? What did you find when you look for what error 13 is for grub? (btw, it's farily common)
01:27<The_Chad>well
01:27<The_Chad>originally
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01:27<The_Chad>ohh ok
01:27<The_Chad>i'll google that :)
01:28<Live_Free>ok, i got my system to boot by changing it to hde in grub, so do i have to edit fstab & menu.lst to make it a permanent change?
01:30<jm_>"info grub" to find out what the error means
01:30<The_Chad>it comes up with "Cannot mount selected partition"
01:31<jm_>that's not error 13
01:31<The_Chad>sorry
01:31<The_Chad>i get error 13 when it try to boot vista
01:31<The_Chad>error 17 when i try to boot debian
01:31<jm_>you're booting vista with wrong method
01:31<jm_>paste your menu.lst file on some pastebin
01:32<el_isma>you're booting vista. period :P
01:32<el_isma>that's the problem
01:32<The_Chad>i dont really need the boot loader
01:32<The_Chad>because i have two hard disks
01:32<The_Chad>so i can just hit f12 to pick between the two disks
01:33<jm_>so the OS will be started by magic?
01:33<The_Chad>no
01:33<The_Chad>well.. it'd be good if it did :)
01:33<The_Chad>could i just keep grub on disk 2
01:33<The_Chad>and not have it interfere with disk 1?
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01:34<jm_>try it, hard to say with so many broken bios-es out there
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01:35<The_Chad>*gulp* ok wish me luck then
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01:38<el_isma>so... whats a good way to kill mosquitoes?
01:39<Corrine>Won't work with a dell so you knpw
01:39<The_Chad>lol
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01:39<The_Chad>what.. you can't kill mosquito's with a dell? aww (crosses possible solution off list)
01:39<The_Chad>well
01:39<el_isma>nah, they're too heavy
01:40<Corrine>I bet a dell power supply would make a great bug zapper actually
01:40<Supaplex>well duh, dell and mosquitoes are part of a union
01:40<The_Chad>i tried with the vista install cd to repair mbr
01:40<Supaplex>a blood sucking union
01:40<el_isma>the mosquitoe will fly away before you get to crush it
01:40<The_Chad>but it started whinging that it was to badly damaged
01:40<el_isma>the vista cd to kill mosquitoes? might work.. too bad I dont have any
01:40*Corrine ponders
01:40<Supaplex>el_isma: just install vista on them, and pow! right?
01:40<Corrine>I want a complete set of windows CDs for coasters
01:41<The_Chad>well supaplex.. i suppose you could crash them with it
01:41<el_isma>Supaplex: They don't have enough ram... just like every other computer in the world :P
01:41<Supaplex>I want a complete set of windows install media for shotgun practice
01:41<The_Chad>and slowly kill them with lots of loopholes :)
01:41<Corrine>have to see if I can find some non liscence ones
01:41<Supaplex>!fix microsoft
01:41*dpkg takes microsoft to the vet for a "special" visit.
01:41<el_isma>Supaplex: lots of fun with the windows 3.1 floppy discs... Or the win95 floppys... you get like, 40 floppys
01:41<The_Chad>lol
01:42<Supaplex>heck yeaw
01:42<The_Chad>so does anyone have any other ideas of how i could get rid of grub off my main disk?
01:42<el_isma>The_Chad: can you boot vista?
01:42<Supaplex>oh debug.exe, take *BLAM* that!
01:42<The_Chad>i'll just check
01:43<el_isma>if you debug a mosquitoe... what's left?
01:43<Supaplex>and you, notepad.exe *BLAMBLAM* print that for me kthx.
01:43<The_Chad>ohh...
01:43*Corrine hides winmine.exe from supaplex
01:43<Supaplex>el_isma: a core dump
01:44<The_Chad>i found my problem
01:44<blarson>The_Chad: dd can do it fine
01:44<el_isma>The_Chad: if you can boot windows, you should be able to do something like "format /mbr" or fdisk something that will fix your MBR.
01:44<The_Chad>no no
01:44<The_Chad>i think its fine
01:44<The_Chad>what its doing... is using my 2nd disk as the main disk
01:45<Supaplex>vista uses bcdedit. totally different animal
01:45<Live_Free>how can i change it so i dont have to press 'e' at the grub screen and change it from hda to hde every time i boot?
01:45<The_Chad>and my real grub install is on the main one
01:45*Supaplex pats goodbye-windows.com on da head
01:45<The_Chad>so... if i pick my main disk, it boots debian easily
01:45<el_isma>oh... well, my MS knowledge ends at XP. Never touched Vista, never will.
01:45<The_Chad>its bios settings to change which disk it picks to boot from isn't it?
01:46<el_isma>Live_Free: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
01:46<Corrine>yep
01:46<Live_Free>i did edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
01:46<Corrine>you'll also have a key you can press at splash screen to bring up a one time dialog
01:46<Corrine>donne how many of the OEM systems fully support this though
01:47<Supaplex>Live_Free: sed -i.old -e s/hda/hde/g might work :)
01:47<Supaplex>Live_Free: er, add /boot/grub/menu.lst after that.
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01:47<el_isma>Live_Free: try "update-grub"? (backup your menu.lst first)
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01:48<Supaplex>update-grub uses some comments in menu.lst as directives to rewrite it.
01:49<el_isma>yeah, hopefully it will get the correct hd*
01:49<Live_Free>do the sed replace first?
01:49<Live_Free>then update grub?
01:49<RIVE>Anyone uses Skype, need to make a test?
01:49<donny_>hi all. is there an easy way to install the debian base system without having to boot an installer CD? (i don't want to install over an existing system, but on other free filesystems i'll create on empty partition space)
01:49<el_isma>Live_Free: update-grub regenerates menu.lst , so it will erase your changes
01:49<The_Chad>ok ok, all good, boots the right disk now.... is there a way to push windows up the top so it picks that instead of debian as main? ;)
01:50<el_isma>donny_: netinstall floppy disk
01:50<Supaplex>Live_Free: usually you use update-grub, but sed's going to replace all entries in menu.lst for you.
01:50<Supaplex>!test RIVE
01:50<dpkg>Testing RIVE... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$
01:50<Corrine>make the windows entry the first one
01:50<Corrine>I think
01:50<The_Chad>how do you edit grub?
01:50<donny_>thanks el_isma; please allow me to rephrase: is there any way to install the debian base system without having to boot a debian installer?
01:50<Corrine>why would you want vista to be the main choice though?
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01:51<Supaplex>donny_: debootstrap (if on an existing linux system).
01:51<el_isma>donny_: There's a way. It's not easy afaik
01:51<Supaplex>!goodbye-windows.com
01:51<dpkg>http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compaitbility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ.
01:51<The_Chad>well... i do alot of gaming, and its easier just to boot straight into windows
01:51<donny_>Supaplex: yes i'm running linux. where do i get that?
01:51<el_isma>donny_: as Supaplex said, debootstrap and goodbye-windows.com
01:51<Supaplex>!tell donny_ -about i-g
01:52<Supaplex>donny_: it's covered in the install guide. download packages from packages.debian.org, extract .deb files with ar -x foo.deb
01:52<Supaplex>donny_: try finding a native package/install before using ar -x though
01:52<donny_>Supaplex, el_isma: thank you
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01:53<Corrine>is goodbye-windows ever going to support other distros?
01:53<Supaplex>sure, when they support the same way to install
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01:54<JustSoul3>How to mount windows-share (\\SomeComputer\SomeShare) under console with current creditanals (without asking user,password) if loggined under AD user using winbind?
01:54<Supaplex>I think I have ubuntu and suse images floating around in the /download area - but other than that, I'm unaware of any other distro that'll do similar.
01:54<Corrine>doesn't ubuntu and it's derivs support net install?
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01:55<el_isma>Corrine: afaik, ubuntu doesn't have netinst
01:55<Corrine>But how are you supposed to torment dial up users who want your distro?
01:56<The_Chad>lol
01:56<The_Chad>with security updates of course :)
01:56<Corrine>heh
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01:56<The_Chad>umm
01:57<Supaplex>JustSoul3: you can use a credentials file with the username and password in it. I'm not aware of how winbind works well enough to suggest anything else. (save possibly NFS?)
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01:57<The_Chad>when i go "apt-get install gnome" it comes up with "0% ftp.iinet.net.au:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
01:57<The_Chad>does that mean my dns server isn't working
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01:58<Corrine>it does sound like it, ping google
01:58<Supaplex>The_Chad: try pinging it. it my not reply, but you should get an ip
01:58<Corrine>then ping the google IP if that fails
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01:58<el_isma>PING ftp.iinet.net.au (203.59.27.133)
01:58<The_Chad>no, it did work
01:58<Corrine>strange
01:59<The_Chad>no
01:59<The_Chad>it can resolve addresses
01:59<Corrine>just resolving the one address wrong right?
01:59<The_Chad>it wont ping though because i have a quite locked down firewall blocking icmp
01:59<The_Chad>no
01:59<The_Chad>it resolved ftp.iinet.net.au to that ip you mentioned
01:59<Supaplex>The_Chad: try ftp
02:00<The_Chad>how? :)\
02:00<Supaplex>hahaha, Server: Apache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu)
02:00<Corrine>hmm
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02:00<Supaplex>that's why! ;)
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02:00<The_Chad>lol
02:00<Corrine>I should probably configure a software firewall, given that I'm opening up the hardware one soon
02:00<Supaplex>The_Chad: edit /etc/apt/sources.list then run aptitude update
02:00<The_Chad>is the ftp iinet server on ubuntu?
02:01<The_Chad>ok, how do i do that? i'm seriously new
02:01*Supaplex ponders sed -i.old -e s/http:/ftp:/g /etc/apt/sources.list
02:01<Supaplex>The_Chad: with an editor. try nano /etc/apt/sources.list
02:02<The_Chad>ok
02:02<The_Chad>its open
02:02<The_Chad>so what do i enter in there?
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02:03<Supaplex>change all http: to ftp:
02:03<Live_Free>ok update-grub changed it to hde in the grub menu but i went from booting irq probe fails and hanging at begin: waiting for root file system
02:03<Live_Free>*from booting to irq*
02:04<el_isma>Live_Free: didn't you get that error before?
02:04<Live_Free>yes
02:04<el_isma>Live_Free: and how did you solve it?
02:04<Live_Free>changing /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst in the shell, but i do not have a shell, before it would drop to a shell
02:05<Supaplex>I don't see how fstab or menu.lst have a lot to do with irq issues
02:05<The_Chad>umm.. that file is empty
02:05<Supaplex>unless, you had a custom bootparam for a buggy box
02:05<Supaplex>'that'?
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02:06<Live_Free>no custom boot param's
02:06<The_Chad>i typed in "nano /etc/apt/sources.list
02:06<Live_Free>i moved this hard drive from another computer to this computer
02:06<Supaplex>The_Chad: oh. getting lines mixed up here. 1m.
02:07<Supaplex>!tell The_Chad -about sources.list
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02:08<The_Chad>ohh ok
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02:09<The_Chad>is there a specific line i could use to link it to the iinet mirror? because i'm actually using an iinet connection, so this way its not counted as downloads
02:09<Supaplex>The_Chad: the format is in man sources.list. do you have the old copy?
02:10<The_Chad>well.. there's nothing in there... so if there's not a spare copy in another directory, i wouldn't believe so
02:10<Supaplex>I guess you emptied it.
02:11<The_Chad>ohh :(
02:11<The_Chad>well
02:11<The_Chad>i've got work in about 20 minutes anyway
02:11<The_Chad>so i'll have another go with this tonight
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02:11<The_Chad>have a good one fella's
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02:12<el_isma>I'm gonna try get some sleep. Good night everyone
02:12<Supaplex>later el_isma.
02:12<Corrine>sources.list got wiped?
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02:12<Supaplex>noobs...
02:13<Corrine>I actually did that one
02:14<Corrine>or rather, a script thats supposed to tell me what the fastest mirror is did
02:14<Supaplex>apt-spy
02:15<JustSoul3>How to mount windows-share (\\SomeComputer\SomeShare) under console with current creditanals (without asking user,password) if loggined under AD user using winbind? Supaplex: Credentials files for each user?
02:15<Corrine>that was it
02:16<JustSoul3>*credentials
02:18<Supaplex>JustSoul3: no, not for each user.
02:19<Corrine>Hmm, supaplex, you live in my area, where can I get decent, halfway affordable computer training?
02:19<Supaplex>JustSoul3: you want fstab to automount a windows share, expored from the domain, using user/group mapping. right?
02:20<Supaplex>Corrine: depends on what you want. I'm a consultant :)
02:20<Corrine>something that'll teach me real skills, and look decent to an HR type
02:20<JustSoul3>no, I want, when user login under X, some special share will mount for him, and link will appear
02:20*Supaplex counts the windows machines available to him, in any sort of domain. hummm 0.
02:21<Corrine>was thinking a ccna, but dunno where I can get one that it wouldn't be paper-cert
02:21<JustSoul3>no for fstab
02:21<Supaplex>Corrine: yea, shall I pm you?
02:22<Corrine>go ahead
02:22<Supaplex>JustSoul3: uses more , and . and stuff. which no to fstab do you mean? no as in not in fstab, or no, Supa I changed my mind and I really do want fstab... ?
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02:25<JustSoul3>Supaplex: sorry. forget about "no". How can I do it?
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02:26<hachi>This "/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" just started about 2 minutes ago on me, I haven't upgraded or installed a thing since my last reboot 4 hours ago. Was running several sessions of iceweasel till this moment
02:26<hachi>anyone know what might have gone wrong?
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02:28<mike___>hi i was wondering if n e one would be able to help me when i minimize my programs they disappear
02:29<mike___>im using kde 3.5 in debian
02:30<Supaplex>mike___: n e one? what is this, aol? is kicker running? How long have you had this problem? Does logging out and back in change anything? What'd you do last when it was working?
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02:30<Supaplex>!info kde
02:31<dpkg>kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
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02:31<mike___>nothing
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02:31<mike___>it just crashed
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02:31<mike___>its been doin it for a couple days i have been playin around with it
02:31<mike___>but i cant figuer it out
02:31<mike___>im tring to google it
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02:31<devil>mike___: what crashed? is part of kicker missing?
02:32<Supaplex>mike___: dpkg -l kicker | grep kicker
02:32<mike___>let me double chk
02:32<Supaplex>ps -C kicker will show if it's running.
02:33<mike___>debII:/home/mike# dpkg -l kicker | grep kicker
02:33<mike___>ii kicker 3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 desktop panel for KDE
02:33<Supaplex>!info kicker etch
02:33<dpkg>kicker: (desktop panel for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1952 kB, Installed size: 5728 kB
02:33<Supaplex>ok. it's current. what's ps -C kicker | wc -l show? (just the last line)
02:33<mike___> PID TTY TIME CMD
02:33<mike___> 2855 ? 00:00:04 kicker
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02:33<Supaplex>ok, that's running.
02:34<mike___>it still disappears tho
02:34<mike___>eveytime i minimize a window
02:34<Supaplex>I've had kicker just up and die a few times a year on me. if it's still not showing minimized apps, maybe it's not in your toolbar?
02:35<Supaplex>it dies less now that I rely on openbox or flwm :)
02:35<mike___>im guna try and reinstall kicker
02:36<devil>mike___: purge it, so kickerrc is gone as well
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02:54<Live_Free>if kopt=hde would groot=hd5,0?
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02:56<jm_>Live_Free: not necessarily no
02:56<Live_Free>how do i figure out what groot needs to be?
02:57<jm_>info grub -> Naming convention
02:57<jm_>easy option is to start sbin grub emulator and use tab
02:58<Live_Free>'start sbin grub emulator' is over my head
02:58<jm_>run /usr/sbin.grub
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03:01<jm_>/usr/sbin/grub that is
03:01<Live_Free>wasnt able to do that, i am in a failed tty shell, hde is currently mounted to /mnt id. /mnt/root/etc/fstab
03:02<jm_>use chroot
03:02<Live_Free>chroot /mnt/root/usr/sbin/grub?
03:02<jm_>or simply try runing /mnt/root/usr/sbin/grub
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03:03<jm_>chroot usage is just "chroot <dir>"
03:03<Live_Free>error while opening shared libraries...
03:03<jm_>right need to do chroot first
03:03<morgan`>hello
03:03<Live_Free>libncurses.so.5 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
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03:05<Live_Free>ok i am looking at chapter 2. naming conventions in the grub manual
03:06<dli>Live_Free, apt-get install libncurses5-dev
03:06<dli>!kp
03:06<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
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03:06<Live_Free>i have 2 ide devices, but i have an asus a7v133 board which has an onboard ide that the cd-rom is connected to and an promise ata ide controller that the hard drive is connected to
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03:06<Live_Free>so would groot = hd2,0?
03:06<Live_Free>err hd1,0
03:07<jm_>Live_Free: just use tab to find out which it is
03:07<jm_>numbering starts with 0 btw
03:08<Live_Free>i see the left # is for devices and the right for partition
03:08<Live_Free>1 partition so that is easy
03:08<dli>Live_Free, (hd0) is always the boot device, so you need (hd0,0) most likely
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03:09<Live_Free>i am thinking the cd-rom would be 0 since it is on the primary ide
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03:09<Live_Free>i can't apt-get btw
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03:09<flair>Hi all, where do I place colorscheme files for vim?
03:09<jm_>flair: ~/.vim/colors
03:09<sheldonh>if you want a life, don't download the steinberg sequel trial. after last night, i think i'm going to end up divorced
03:10<sheldonh>fun though audio production in the linux world is ;)
03:10<hachi>anyone know what the detect command is that you can query for almost any piece of hardware in a machine
03:10<hachi>I'm not thinking of dmi, which can do it
03:10<hachi>it's something from hal I think
03:10<gsimmons>!tell hachi -about what's my hardware
03:11<flair>jm_: ta. :)
03:11<hachi>nope, I know I have it on my box... I'll grep the manpage directory or something
03:11<hachi>none of those are it
03:12<hachi>oh wait, it's hwinfo, I was shelled into a server
03:12<hachi>thanks
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03:26<donny_>anyone familiar with reverse tunneling with ssh (-R option) and/or autossh? i tried using the right IP address to make sure that bind() would receive connection requests from outside the current machine (that is, not using localhost or 127.0.0.1). my option was "-R 192.168.1.12:22080:localhost:80" so anyone have any idea what i'm doing wrong?
03:27<donny_>the problem in case i wasn't clear: i can only use the tunnel locally, i cannot use it from another machine on my lan
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03:28<jm_>donny_: that's overridable via ssh config
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03:29<jm_>man ssh_config -> GatewayPorts
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03:31<sheldonh>i've run into an etch box in the wild where ulimit shows max locked memory limited to 32KB. i can't figure out how the resident admin has made this so, but it's highly undesirable. where to look? nothing uncommented in /etc/security/limits.conf
03:31<sanya>Hello Please help me with my Debian. Today I've apt-get update and after reboot no icons are displayed on the desktop and no fonts are displayed on it. I use lenny/sid (unstable) gnome.
03:31<donny_>jm_: thanks i'lll check it out
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03:34<jm_>sheldonh: maybe grep -r ulimit /etc?
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03:35<jm_>sheldonh: I am not positive about this, but since I upgraded to Lenny at home, I got an error back from cpm about this and I had to explicitely increase it, and I don't think it was set there either
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03:36<sheldonh>jm_: only in init scripts (grep -r ulimit /etc) (for courier-imap*)
03:36<sheldonh>oh
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03:36<sheldonh>jm_: apt sources.list shows a fascinating mix of sarge, etch and lenny :(
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03:37<sheldonh>jm_: you are the man: APT::Default-Release "testing";
03:37<jm_>sheldonh: heh
03:38<jm_>sheldonh: I didn't investigate where it comes from, I just increased it
03:38<sheldonh>jm_: did you up it in /etc/security/limits.conf?
03:38<jm_>sheldonh: yup
03:38<sheldonh>jm_: shame on you :-P
03:38*sheldonh still needs to report his "snd-seq not probed" bug
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03:39<sheldonh>jm_: imagine if we all had an extra half hour a day for reporting bugs (it's not all a pretty picture ;)
03:41<jm_>sheldonh: I stopped reporting using Debian's BTS until they stop publishing email addresses like that
03:41<Live_Free>hde: MAXTOR 5T04H04, ATA DISK DRIVE, then Begin: waiting for root file system, ALERT hde1 not found
03:41<sheldonh>jm_: owch. did you notice more than one limit being overly low?
03:41<sheldonh>jm_: lenny bites. i don't see this behaviour on sid
03:42<jm_>sheldonh: hmm not really, I noticed that one because cpm stopped working, but haven't run into any other weird issues
03:43<jm_>Live_Free: ls /sys/block
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03:44<jm_>Live_Free: also cat /proc/partitions
03:44<Live_Free>k, just waiting for the shell prompt
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03:49<Live_Free>`/sys/block: hda ram0 ram10 ram12 ram14 ram2 ram4 ram6 ram8 / hde ram1 ram11 ram13 ram15 ram3 ram5 ram7 ram9
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03:52<Live_Free>`/proc/partitions 33 0 40021632 hde / 33 1 37471581 hde1 / 33 2 1 hde2 / 33 5 1646631 hde5
03:53<jm_>is there /dev/hde1?
03:53<Live_Free>yes, hde1 is my primary partition, hde5 is swap
03:53<jm_>no, run 'ls -l /dev/hde1' - does it show up?
03:53<Live_Free>hde2 is leftover unpartitioned space from a drive copy
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03:55<Live_Free>brw-rw---- 1 0 0 33, 1 jan 16, 08 /dev/hde1
03:55<jm_>it can't be unpartitioned - that doesn't show up in /proc/partitions
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03:56<jm_>hmm I wonder why it claims it can't find it then - maybe it shows up way too late?
03:56<Live_Free>ok maybe ur right maybe the drive copy utility created a partition out of leftover space
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03:56<Live_Free>i can mount hde
03:56<Live_Free>from the shell
03:56<Live_Free>but i cant boot
03:57<jm_>maybe inspect entire output before it
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03:58<Live_Free>is there are easier way to inspect output other than pause/break?
03:59<jm_>netconsole, serial console
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04:00<jm_>you can also scroll back using shift-pageup
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04:08<Live_Free>i do not see anything that looks like an error
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04:08<jm_>does it detect hde before it tries to mount it?
04:08<abhin4v>how do i configure my pen tablet on debian?
04:08<Live_Free>yes it does
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04:10<jm_>hmm I wonder what is bugging it then, but I am not familiar enough with how Debian does this in initramfs
04:11<Live_Free>it detects the drive, then the irq & irq slot memory addresses, then the drive size
04:11<Live_Free>before it tries to mount
04:11<Live_Free>it goes to mounting root filesystem, running scripts, then hangs at waiting for root filesystem
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04:12<jm_>I would enable debugging in scripts then
04:12<Live_Free>do i need to do anything special for a promise ide controller?
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04:12<jm_>well you shouldn't have to and it looks like it loads the driver just fine too
04:13<Live_Free>the crazy thing is i was booted three times earlier
04:13<jm_>what has changed since then?
04:13<Live_Free>update-grub
04:13<crazyb0y>eh =)
04:13<Live_Free>i was manually editing the grub to hde
04:14<Live_Free>and it would boot
04:14<crazyb0y>what was it before?
04:14<Live_Free>hdc
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04:14<jm_>why did you change it to hde?
04:14<crazyb0y>and now you can't boot after you changed it to hde?
04:14<Live_Free>a linux drive was cloned and put in this computer
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04:15<Live_Free>which is what started this whole booting problem
04:15<jm_>wait, so you took a drive from a working system and put it in another box where it's causing problems?
04:15<crazyb0y>Live_Free: answer to jm_
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04:15<Live_Free>i cloned a drive in a working system
04:15<Live_Free>and installed it in this box
04:15<crazyb0y>why you've changed to hde?
04:16<jm_>ok, try booting with rescue system and rebuild initramfs
04:16<Live_Free>it got changed earlier when jello suggested changing /etc/fstab
04:16<Live_Free>and /boot/grub/*.lst
04:17<Live_Free>but we only changed groot and the line above it not the menu item at the bottom
04:17<jm_>there are two entries in it most likely, one's for single user mode, the other for regular boot, make sure to fix all of them
04:18<Guest3339>Hi all, a short question, ist the 3ware 9550SXU supportet under debian etch? Sorry, i am FreeBSD-User and does'nt now a better way to find out and my time is running away
04:18<Live_Free>i am not familiar with a resuce disk, will a debian eth net iso work or do i need to google it
04:19<jm_>Guest3339: you should check on 3ware web page
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04:19<jm_>Live_Free: yes it is
04:19<jm_>yes it will work
04:19<crazyb0y>Guest3339: take a look --> http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=15012
04:19<crazyb0y>The 9650SE is supported in kernel 2.6.19 or higher/9690SA is supported in kernel 2.6.23 or higher. If the new kernel is still 2.6.18.x , you need to recompile our linux source or your system won't boot (if you are booting to the 9650SE/9690SA).
04:21<Live_Free>BOOT_DEBUG=2|3 parameter?
04:22<Guest3339>The controller is a 9550 not 9650 - is 2.6.18 standard for etch?
04:22<jm_>Live_Free: no need for it
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04:22<jm_>!tell Live_Free -about fixmbr
04:22<jm_>Live_Free: there's also a rescue mode available, press f1 for help
04:23<crazyb0y>Guest3339: follow the instructions that i gave you
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04:25<Live_Free>rescue parameter :)
04:25<jm_>right, I forgot how to use it though
04:26<Guest3339>crazyb0y, i'm not shure with using 4part sw...
04:26<Live_Free>actually just type 'rescue' and press enter
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04:28<crazyb0y>Guest3339: what do you mean?
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04:32<Guest3339>I need a controller running out of the box - without installing software that isn't distributet by debian. Ok, i found now that the 9550 is supported with 2.6.14 or grater....
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04:33<jm_>there's a link to 4.0 ISO with support for 3ware cards ...
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04:34<Guest3339>Yes, but it isn't distributet by Deb....
04:34<jm_>well doh, I wonder why :)
04:35<sheldonh>3ware can bite my nuts
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04:36<sheldonh>not because i know anything about the hardware, but because their sales agent in za is an absolute turd
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04:36<Guest3339>*g* here(de) it isn't better. I had some funny telephone calls...
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04:37<Baggy2>Where can I find info about the format/protocol provided by /dev/input/event3? I need to make a simple driver for my thrustmaster joystick..
04:37<jm_>Baggy2: is it so special it's not supported by kernel driver?
04:38<sheldonh>it just grates my tits when someone who doesn't know what LVM and MD are starts telling me how inferior linux md RAID-1 is
04:38<jm_>Baggy2: you can use evtest to start with
04:39<Baggy2>jm_: it works, as I see stuff on the screen when running "cat /dev/input/event3" and using the joystick. Now, I need to interpret the data.
04:40<jm_>Baggy2: ThrustMaster DirectConnect?
04:41<Guest3339>http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=14546 Nr. 146. I will try it out. my first deb since woddy....
04:41<Baggy2>jm_: it's a thrustmaster wireless dual controller
04:42<jm_>Baggy2: well kernel does support above mentioned TM joysticks and gamepads
04:42<sheldonh>mmmm, edirol ua-25. it's always such a pain in the ass finding out whether an audio device is supported by linux
04:42<jm_>sheldonh: even using "/msg dpkg which driver"?
04:43<Baggy2>jm_: yes, and I can see that it works by printing the dev on screen while using the joystick. It's just that I want to print +/- integer values instead of rubbish..
04:43<jm_>Baggy2: read Documentation/input/input-programming.txt
04:44<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks, I'll do some reading :)
04:44<sheldonh>jm_: it's a USB device, and i haven't bought it yet :)
04:45<sheldonh>jm_: but that's a cool link. bookmarked
04:45<jm_>sheldonh: now that is often painful indeed
04:46<sheldonh>jm_: which is ironic. the _right_ way to buy hardware is insanely difficult :)
04:48<sheldonh>jm_: shame on me. google knows. http://ip.bourget.cc:8080/wiki/Edirol_UA-25_Linux
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04:49<sheldonh>hopefully, by the time i get the device, iwl3945 will work with the preempt-rt patch
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04:50<Guest3339>by, thanks for the support :-)
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04:51<ted>hello, I would like to know how you can do a "reboot" of the system, without actually rebooting the computer. so that all processes get stopped, and that then the normal boot procedure is followed
04:51<Ganneff>init 1 (or s), init 2
04:51<jm_>ted: that doesn't make sense
04:52<seanius>might want to make sure you have local access for that
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04:52<hachi>what package in testing adds the capability to boot with root on an lvm device to initramfs? lvm2 isnt asking me the question
04:53<ted>jm_: I want to change my ip address, but to save some time rebooting, I wanted to do it that way
04:53<Ganneff>ted: no
04:53<Ganneff>this is NOT windows
04:53<Ganneff>you dont reboot to change an ip
04:53*Ganneff vomits
04:53<Ganneff>:)
04:53<petemc>you dont need to with windows either
04:53<ted>but server processes, they need to be restarted?
04:53<Ganneff>petemc: depends on the version, i think
04:53<petemc>not since 98
04:54<Ganneff>ted: depends on your config. only if you hardcoded the ip they bound to
04:54<Ganneff>if they use 0.0.0.0 (ie any) then no.
04:54<ted>and what about existing connections?
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04:56<ted>so the only thing I would need to do is /etc/init.d/network restart ?
04:58<hachi>i usually just ifdown ifup
04:58<hachi>but whatevs
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05:00<ted>ok, thanks all
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05:02<Live_Free>rescue reinstalls grub but still no boot, i can't believe this is such a pain in da but to clone a drive in linux
05:03<jm_>well the problem is not in grub
05:03<jm_>you should try recreating initramfs
05:04<Baggy2>jm_: insmod tmdc.ko resulted in the following: insmod: error inserting 'tmdc.ko': -1 Invalid module format. The module was located in my kernel src directory, how can it be in the wrong format?
05:05<spq>i want to call a script on file changes in a directory, i know there is inotify, gamin, fam but what should i best use?
05:06<hachi>im still looking for the package that asks me if i want to start lvm in initramfs
05:06<jm_>Baggy2: hmm what about "modprobe tmdc"?
05:06<jm_>Baggy2: where is this located?
05:06<hachi>anyone have a clue where this is?
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05:07<Baggy2>jm_: /usr/src/linux-2.6.22/drivers/input/joystick (This is my current kernel source)
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05:08<jm_>Baggy2: it needs to be in /lib/modules for current kernel version to be used by insmod/modprobe
05:09<jm_>Baggy2: don't copy it there from some other tree though
05:11<Baggy2>jm_: I was not aware of that. Just curious - why is this? as long as it is compiled on the same system with the same version of gcc, it should work, shouldn't it?
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05:12<jm_>Baggy2: it's not that easy - your running kernel may lack some options needed by new module for example
05:13<Baggy2>jm_: ah.. I see. Thanks
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05:16<Baggy2>if I've got /dev/input/j0 and /dev/input/j1, that means I've got joystick drivers included, right? Still, my joystick gets mounted on /dev/input/event7 Does that indicate that I have the wrong joystick driver included in kernel?
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05:16<jm_>Baggy2: cat /proc/bus/input/devices to see which is what
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05:19<jm_>Baggy2: and thee's a difference among those devices too - see devices.txt
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05:22<hachi>I've reinstalled iceweasel, and it still won't run
05:22<hachi>"Please restart any running Iceweasels, or you will experience problems.
05:22<Baggy2>jm_: ah, dmesg told me that input was /class/input/input10, but when printing /proc/bus/input/devices I can read that Handlers are event7 and js1. Does this mean I've got the right driver?
05:22<hachi>eeep, wrong error
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05:22<spq>i want to call a script on file changes in a directory, i know there is inotify, gamin, fam, incron but what should i use?
05:22<hachi>"/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking"
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05:23<sheldonh>jm_: i changed limits.conf and rebooted the host, and when i log in i still have the crazy limits applied. how did you bump yours?
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05:23<hachi>this started not more than a few hours ago for me... and was not tied to any apt or dpkg operations... I think I walked home and when I got home I closed iceweasel, and then opened it again
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05:24<jm_>Baggy2: hmm I am not familiar with what it should say - it's quite a while since I played with my wheel in Linux and I haven't paid attention to what's in the file
05:24<jm_>sheldonh: I just edited the file and logged in - is pam_env module uncommented for login method in question?
05:25<Baggy2>oki, I'll do some more reading
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05:25<sheldonh>jm_: pam_limits, surely? that's uncommented, yes (although i'm not sure how limits are derived for process started from /etc/init.d)
05:25<jm_>sheldonh: not pam_env but pam_limits yes, sorry
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05:26<jm_>sheldonh: ahh now that's different, you'll probably need to stick ulimit in the init script itself
05:26<sheldonh>jm_: oh. ight be worth actually finding the bug, then :)
05:26<sheldonh>jm_: although it's still unfortunate that limits.conf isn't applied to my session when i log in via ssh
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05:27<jm_>sheldonh: you can enable debugging for pam_limits to see if it kicks in
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05:28<sheldonh>jm_: aha, worth a shot
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05:31<[Upwind]>Hello
05:31<Baggy2>jm_: according to devices.txt my joystick is mounted as second joystick... that's a bit weird, is it not?
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05:35<[Upwind]>I just need an information about Debian CD images contents; According to the download page, only the first CD is needed to obtain a standard installation but which kind packets/softwares are provided?
05:37<sep>!cd contents
05:37<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
05:37<weasel>[Upwind]: do you have proper network in the place where you install?
05:37<[Upwind]>No
05:37<weasel>ah. tricky.
05:37<jm_>Baggy2: not sure how that's handled either
05:38<sep>[Upwind], the dvd will have more packages. you can also get a cd's with either gnome, kde or xfce. or make your own package selectio using jigido.
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05:42<Baggy2>jm_: even though the right driver is inluded in kernel, I still need to interpret the data retrieved from /dev/input/j0, right? Is this a standard format? or will it vary depending on the joystick type? Also, where is the format documented? And where can I find information about the subject?
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05:42<[Upwind]>sep: unluckily I cannot use a DVD distribution... I just need to know if there is a standard installation (1 or 2 CDs) that provides a windows manager (KDE) and a minimal set of software
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05:43<sep>you can use the kde install cd.
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05:43<jm_>Baggy2: yes you do - I have no clue how this works either, there's jstest, maybe you can take a look at it
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05:43<[Upwind]>Oh... is it in the stable distribution directory?
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05:45<sheldonh>dm_: i see why you haven't submitted a bug report; which bloody package are we talking about here? :)
05:45<Baggy2>jm_: thanks, I've downloaded the source for jstest and some drivers, but I couldn't get it to compile
05:45<Baggy2>Thousand of errors
05:45<jm_>Baggy2: let me try
05:45<sep>[Upwind], it's in the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ the one that say KDE
05:45<sep>you can probably find a closer mirror if you look hard.
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05:46<[Upwind]>Sep: yes, I found it... thank you :)
05:46<Baggy2>jm_: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~vojtech/joystick/
05:46<jm_>Baggy2: apt-get source joystick ; cd joystick-*/debian ; make
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05:51<Baggy2>jm_: no makefile in the debian folder, but tried running make from the utils folder. Got lots of errors on ffmvforce.c
05:51*Baggy2 is going out for luch now, see ya
05:51<jm_>Baggy2: yeah but jstest is compiled before that
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05:52<jm_>Baggy2: you need SDL devel for ffmvforce
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05:58<spq>anyone knows incron? i dont receive file changes in a subdirectory...
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05:59<hachi>can't figure out how to make it ignore it
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06:24<Baggy2>jm_: jstest works smoothly, and now I've got compiling source file :) Thanks!! This really saved my day =)
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06:25<berto>(off-topic) the new ThinkPad Air: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHs9AZbumKc
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07:00<padski>ugh! what happenned to the PTS ? my eyes will have to relearn ...
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07:22<Baggy2>jm_: I've got the joystick working on my computer now, but it refuses to work on my embedded controller. I've added the necessary device nodes, but the joystick only gets mounted on event3. My guess is that the driver is not included in kernel, but I cannot find the right driver. Searched for thrustmaster, but only found USB HID support, which was already enabled. You mentioned something about this driver earlier.. you know where it can be found?
07:23<jm_>Baggy2: why not find which driver handles it on the working system?
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07:25<jm_>Baggy2: should be realtively simple from /sys/class/input
07:25<Baggy2>jm_: *lol* found it... sorry, it's been a long day
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07:33<sacha>hola
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07:41<jhr-online>is it possible to create a debootstrap in a linux-vserver? there I always get E: Unable to mount proc.
07:44<weasel>I don't think you can mount stuff in vservers, at least not by default.
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07:46<jhr-online>so it's impossible to use cowdancer in vservers, right?
07:46<weasel>unless you let your vserver mount stuff I'd assume so.
07:47<jhr-online>ok and do you know how i could let my vservers mount stuff?
07:47<weasel>no, google probably does
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07:47<jhr-online>hopefully... i'll give that a try
07:47<alejandra>hola viteh
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07:59<napoleao>how can I put my debian to use the fonts like ubuntu, it seems more clean the fonts in ubuntu then debian
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08:04<The_Chad>hey guys, i have an issue with downloading packages for debian... when it tries to connect it says the server ip is 1.0.0.0 even though if i do a dnslookup of the server, it determines the correct ip
08:04<The_Chad>is there any way to fix this?
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08:35<silensius>how can i switch to another user in terminal
08:35<Ganneff>su
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08:35<silensius>su ok for root
08:35<silensius>i will for another users
08:35<Ganneff>su
08:35<Ganneff>read its manpage
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08:35<silensius>thanks
08:36<silensius>thanks i'm very disturb
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08:39<sun>hi does anyone know how to put a field like 'ifavailable' into fstab, or is auto/noauto all that can be specified?
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08:43<padski>sun, to change the format of fstab you would change the programs that read it.
08:43<padski>sun, perhaps you would be better explaining your problem
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08:51<sun>padski i have a laptop, sometimes its connected to an ext hd and other times not. id like, when it is connected, for it to mount when booting, otherwise no. but now i have to type <ctrl>d to fsck which says there's an error, if i boot and there no ext hd?
08:55<padski>sun, so this external hd is removable media. would some kind of automounter be a good solution for you?
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08:57<sun>padski yes i think so, is this includedwith debian or is it in a package?
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09:00<padski>!automount
09:00<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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09:01<padski>sun, I know nothing about current automount tech. ask dpkg about the stuff it mentioned byt doing /msg dpkg foo
09:02<sun>padski thanks a lot!
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09:10<Baggy2>jm_: I still can't get it to work on the controller, added every driver there is.. is there a special rule when adding devices with less than to digits? Can I write: "mknod /dev/input/js0 c 13 0"
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09:11<Baggy2>jm_: I've read somewhere that 0 is interpret as a octal number...
09:13<padski>Baggy2, don't think so
09:13<padski>Baggy2, ok :-) that 0 is octal :-)
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09:14<Baggy2>padski: how would you add the joystick? "mknod /dev/input/js0 c 13 00" ?
09:14<kcynice>i wrote my first hello world C program,but when i compiled it using gcc,it told me "can't find stdio.h".How should I set the gcc's library path?
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09:20<avtobiff>kcynice, uhm. have you installed build-essential?
09:20<avtobiff>kcynice, that would take care of it iirc
09:21<kcynice>avtobiff:you mean,I only need to installed build-essential?
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09:26<kcynice>avtobiff:I have installd build-essentiall and gcc works well now. Thanks
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09:34<bgat>anyone know why ssh'ing into a box would result in not getting a command line prompt? When I do ssh -v -v, it stops at SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT. target machine is running sid.
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09:36<The_Chad>hey guys
09:36<The_Chad>i'm having this weird problem
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09:36<Junior01>The_Chad, what?
09:36<The_Chad>when i try to open the host file with nano (because i need to edit it because the ip is wrong :S) it appears blank
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09:36<The_Chad>does nano not display text as default
09:37<The_Chad>or am i doing something wrong
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09:37<SpeedyG>nano /etc/hosts ? :)
09:38<The_Chad>ohh
09:38<The_Chad>i see the problem
09:38<The_Chad>:)
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09:39<lolzkthx>Oink.
09:39<SpeedyG>:)
09:39<lolzkthx>:D!
09:39<The_Chad>umm.. my current mirrror is ftp.iiinet.net.au but it thinks the ip is 1.0.0.0
09:39<lolzkthx>This #ubuntu?
09:39<The_Chad>where would i change it to the correct ip... or for it at least to properly do a dnslookup for the host name
09:39<The_Chad>no
09:39<SpeedyG>lolzkthx: this is #debian
09:39<lolzkthx>lol
09:39<SpeedyG>seems quite obvious to me
09:39<lolzkthx>Why the hell is that in the topic?
09:39<The_Chad>indeed
09:40<The_Chad>doesn't your irc client say?
09:40<The_Chad>lol
09:40<SpeedyG>lolzkthx: for people who don't understand that #debian ISNT #ubuntu
09:40<lolzkthx>the chan is debian and it says this isn't ubuntu well, well done you.
09:40<The_Chad>it says this is not
09:40<SpeedyG>and that ubuntu questions should not be stated here
09:40<twb>I want a black root window, rather than cross-hatched, at the xdm login screen. How can I get this?
09:40<lolzkthx>Why the mix up?
09:40<The_Chad>because people ask questions about ubuntu in here because they can't get there answers over in ubuntu
09:41<SpeedyG>lolzkthx: because ubuntu users dont always understand that this isnt #ubuntu
09:41<lolzkthx>maybe they should change that b to a c
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09:41<lolzkthx>I haven't been on IRC for years.... ooops Gekz got pwned ;\
09:41<The_Chad>anyway yeah, does anyone know the answer to my last question? :)
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09:42<lolzkthx>What was the question!?
09:42<The_Chad>umm.. my current mirrror is ftp.iiinet.net.au but it thinks the ip is 1.0.0.0. where would i change it to the correct ip... or for it at least to properly do a dnslookup for the host name
09:42<gsimmons>twb: Try passing '-br' as a server option.
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09:43<lolzkthx>OH is that all?!
09:43<gsimmons>The_Chad: "iiinet"? You should only be specifying two occurances of "i".
09:43<The_Chad>yeaah
09:43<lolzkthx>Simple....
09:43<The_Chad>ohh no
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09:43<lolzkthx>all you have to do
09:43<klys>~co
09:43<dpkg>from memory, co is Colombia
09:43<The_Chad>its actually iinet
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09:43<The_Chad>its just a misspelling in here
09:44<Junior01>the-dude, /etc/network/interfaces
09:44<The_Chad>i actually picked the mirror from the list
09:44<klys>~cr
09:44<dpkg>[cr] Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;)
09:44<Junior01>The_Chad, /etc/network/interfaces
09:44<The_Chad>ok
09:44<The_Chad>thankyou
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09:44<klys>~de
09:44<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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09:47<twb>01:42 <gsimmons> twb: Try passing '-br' as a server option.
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09:47<twb>gsimmons: I was guessing along those lines, but how do I configure what xdm passes to Xorg when invoking it?
09:48<bob_>anybody got chrooted scponly through ssh working on lenny?
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09:48<gsimmons>twb: Good question, I'll try to determine.
09:48<padski>bob_, what problem are you having ?
09:48<padski>!anyone
09:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
09:49<bob_>i am trying to setup sftp/scp only
09:49<padski>uhuh
09:49<twb>gsimmons: thanks!
09:49<bob_>ssh and scponly works but when trying to chroot the scponly shell, connections are closed
09:50<bob_>scponlyc had the suid bit
09:50<bob_>had=has
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09:52<padski>bob_, you know you need libs in the chroot ?
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09:53<bob_>yes, there are libs, should be automatic right? with: ./setup_chroot.sh
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09:55<padski>bob_, anything here http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents help ?
09:56<padski>perhaps the missing /dev/null ?
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09:58<bob_>this was my first tutorial i used, didnt work then but I have to admit i now forgot the /dev/null after the last reinstall,
09:58<gsimmons>twb: You'd need to edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers and append '-br' for the relevant entry.
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10:00<twb>gsimmons: thanks again
10:00<gsimmons>twb: np
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10:00<twb>Look like I can also stop it using vt7 when I only have 1 getty
10:01<bob_>_/dev/null is back now but still no access
10:02<bob_>Unable to initialize SFTP.
10:02<niwt>I'm going to help a friend with a network problem today. She says that /var/log/messages shows a port scan to her IP number on the local network. She's running arno-iptable-firewall and she's behind a dlink router with no open ports. Is this a sure sign that the windows xp box is pwned?
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10:11<bob_>padski: still here?
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10:13<The_Chad>hey guys, i just hit another problem
10:13<GhostlyDeath_>did it feel the pain?
10:14<The_Chad>when i start debian, it comes up with the error message failed to start x server... meaning im guessing i can't use gnome?
10:14<GhostlyDeath_>The_Chad, can't use GNOME
10:14<The_Chad>indeed he can't.
10:14<The_Chad>but i sure would like to :)
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10:15<The_Chad>got any idea's on how to fix it?
10:15<The_Chad>or what i've done wrong
10:15<twb>Now my x login looks beautiful - completely black except for "Login:" and then "Password:"
10:15<seanius>can you pastebin the Xorg.log?
10:15<GhostlyDeath_>The_Chad, Did you change /etc/X11/xorg.conf and what does the log say?
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10:16<seanius>dpkg tell The_Chad about paste
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10:16<The_Chad>im not actually booted in debian at the moment
10:16<The_Chad>so i can't paste stuff
10:16<GhostlyDeath_>The_Chad, are you on the PC without X?
10:16<twb>The_Chad: you can't mount the Debian partitions?
10:16<The_Chad>no, i'm currently on an xp machine
10:17<The_Chad>but i have the one running debian next to me
10:17<padski>bob_, just got back. did you manage to get any debug logging ?
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10:19<bob_>nope that doesnt work
10:20<The_Chad>ohh wait
10:20<bob_>_/usr/local/etc/scponly/debuglevel: No such file or directory
10:20<The_Chad>what package must i get to update xserver?
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10:21<bob_>hmm found the right dir
10:22<bob_>_/etc/scponly/debuglevel but there is nothing in this file and the cmd doesnt give me messages
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10:24<ServerSide>!kde
10:24<dpkg>[kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>
10:24<ServerSide>!install kde
10:24<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
10:26<ServerSide>err.. can someone give me a 'good' "howto install kde4" ?
10:27<padski>ServerSide, is kde4 packaged in experimental ?
10:27<ServerSide>mh...
10:27<bremner>ServerSide, padski: yes
10:28<The_Chad>umm.. where is the grub config in debian?
10:28<ServerSide>oh, i found it http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html
10:28<ServerSide>/boot/grub/ ?
10:28<The_Chad>cheers
10:28<ServerSide>:)
10:29<The_Chad>lol
10:29<The_Chad>i must sound so stupid.. whats the grub config file called?
10:29<padski>The_Chad, look in /boot/grub
10:29<bremner>menu.something
10:29<bremner>menu.lst
10:29<padski>menu.lst
10:29<The_Chad>thanks
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10:34<The_Chad>!xserver
10:35<padski>!xorg
10:35<dpkg>xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
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10:38<The_Chad>!get xorg
10:38<dpkg>X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge>
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10:38<padski>The_Chad, you can also pm dpkg like so: /msg dpkg foo
10:39<Fulcrum>Привет! у кого были проблемы с сетевой карточкой Attansic L1 встроенной в Asus
10:39<bremner>!tell Fulcrum about ru
10:39<twb>!ru
10:39<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:39<twb>Oops.
10:40<padski>do they speak russian in ukraine ?
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10:40<bremner>padski: touchy subject
10:40<twb>Well, I'm just prejudicially assuming cyrillic = russian
10:40<padski>bremner, I did think twice about asking :-)
10:41<padski>UKRTELNET
10:41<padski>sorry, AS6849 UKRTELNET JSC UKRTELECOM
10:42<Fulcrum>privet! u kogo bili problemi c Attansic L1 na motherboard Asus P5L-MX?
10:43<bremner>!tell Fulcrum about english
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10:46<bob_>padski: still here?
10:47<Fulcrum>Sorry! Thanks! ))
10:47<padski>bob_, indeed
10:48<bob_>any ideas left?
10:49<padski>bob_, I'm just playing with it here at my end. let you know what I find.
10:50<bob_>cool thanx
10:51<pumpkin0>Fulcrum: you need a driver for the ethernet gigabit LAN chip, right ?
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10:53<bernardo>does anyone uses monodevelop?
10:53<padski>!anyone
10:53<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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10:59<bernardo>padski: actually that was my question
11:00<padski>!tell bernardo about popcon
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11:03<bernardo>padski: thanks
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11:09<dazedyugo>hello all
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11:10<bernardo>dazedyugo: hello
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11:11<dazedyugo>I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction regarding converting data between character sets
11:13<dazedyugo>are there such utilities?
11:14<padski>dazedyugo, what like different encodings ?
11:14<bernardo>dazedyugo: I'm not sure, but you can look for it in the debian pacakages page
11:14<bernardo>http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
11:15<dazedyugo>yes, I have data input in a MySQL database running on OS X. The tables' charset was set to Latin1 by default, but on a Debian machine with the same software, some of the text is garbled
11:15<dazedyugo>so I think the OS X machines use a different character set, and I need to convert the data somehow
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11:18<astronut>why am i getting /var/lib/misc/services.db: No such file or directory
11:18<astronut>whenever i start ssh?
11:18<astronut>p.d.o doesn't have that file in any package contents
11:18<padski>astronut, "when you start ssh" ?
11:19*angasule wonders why anyone still uses anything but unicode
11:19<astronut>padski: sorry, ssh client
11:19*dazedyugo wants to use unicode! :)
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11:19<angasule>the good news it's easy to go from random_encoding to unicode :)
11:20<dazedyugo>angasule: how?
11:20<angasule>well, unicode includes pretty much anything else, so it's easy to move to unicode, but I don't use mysql
11:21<dazedyugo>i tried just changing the table types to utf8 but that didn't help
11:21<astronut>i'm also getting it on apt-get update apparently
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11:23<astronut>ah found it
11:23<astronut>#460851
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11:27<angasule>dazedyugo: google for: mysql change encoding convert
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11:30<wildchild>hi, is someone here who can help me making a nic driver floppy disk for the installer?
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11:35<dazedyugo>angasule: thanks
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11:36<Clumsy_Roo1>greetings
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11:41<Clumsy_Root>excuse me, i can't seem to display the server messages properly here on IRC anymore, under pidgin. what could be wrong?
11:41<Clumsy_Root>it only shows boxes, as if they were encoded using an unsupported charset altogether
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11:48<vir182>i attached my USB digi cam - lsusb shows me the camera. But it is not recognized as SCSI device (so i can not mount it). dmesg shows me "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning" (last entry shown) (the usb_storage module is correctly loaded). anyone n here who could point me in the right direction?
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11:48<pumpkin0>vir182: wait for 30 sec and rerun dmesg.
11:49<vir182>i vaguely remember that there must be an option somewhere in the system where can tell it should not scan for settle - i think it has something to do with kernlers newver than 2.6.18
11:49<vir182>pumpkin0: this was 20 minutes ago
11:49<pumpkin0>vir182: what does :/sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns say ?
11:49<vir182>i know i have to tell the kernel not to perofrm the scanning - but i dont remember where. should be udev but i cant find the right option
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11:50<vir182>pumpkin0: 512
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11:52<killuminati>has anybody around uses httptunnel for tunneling msn connections?
11:53<killuminati>does httptunnel tunnels connections on the background automatically?
11:53<killuminati>or it needs some extra redirection to be done?
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11:55<padski>bob_, I see the same thing on etch and lenny. logs "chroot: Operation not permitted"
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12:07<mntzn>hi, how can i make time from stop changing? i have correct time in bios, and i did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to select my timezone gmt+2 and now the time is always 2 hrs ahead whenever i reboot
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12:09<padski>mntzn, why are you rebooting ?
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12:10<mntzn>im on a notebook and i do turn it off
12:10<mntzn>sometimes
12:12<padski>mntzn, fair enough :-)
12:12<padski>mntzn, have you considered using ntpdate ?
12:12<mntzn>nope, will try it
12:12<mntzn>tnx
12:12<koollman>mntzn: are you using another widely used OS ? (windows :) )
12:12<cahoot>mntzn: UTC set to yes?
12:12<mntzn>koollman: no
12:13<mntzn>cahoot: how do i check?
12:13<cahoot>mntzn: UTC set to yes in /etc/default/rcS?
12:13<mntzn>sec
12:13<mntzn>yes
12:14<mntzn>turn it off?
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12:14<cahoot>no keep it
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12:18<haxality>hi all
12:18<haxality>I know you probably hear this a lot, but can someone give me a hand with this ATi driver nonsense?
12:18<haxality>I've spent the last week or so trying to get the proprietary drivers, or ever the open-source ati driver installed
12:18<haxality>and X absolutely refuses to use anything other than mesa
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12:19<haxality>this is across 2 different versions of ubuntu, and now I'm on debian etch with no success
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12:19<haxality>and I remember it used to work with both of these distros
12:19<haxality>anyone?
12:20<pumpkin0>haxality: which card ?
12:20<haxality>radeon 9600XT
12:20<pumpkin0>haxality: and did you install the drivers debian-style or from ati.com ?
12:20<haxality>RV350 chipset, I think
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12:20<haxality>I tried both ways
12:21<haxality>first I used the debian way
12:21<haxality>when I met no success there, I used the ati installer buildpkg method
12:21<haxality>of course, remembering to remove the old packages first
12:21<pumpkin0>haxality: wait a sec... RV350 ?
12:21<haxality>should be
12:22<haxality>lemme check one second
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12:22<haxality>yup
12:22<haxality>RV350 AR
12:23<pumpkin0>haxality: it is RV360 for the 9600XT. Anyway you cannot get 3D from the open drivers. install the the ati-drivers debian style and get xorg.log and xorg.conf into a pastebin.
12:23<haxality>ok
12:24<haxality>all I know is X thinks it's an RV350
12:24<pumpkin0>RV350 is 9600...everything-but-the-XT.
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12:24<haxality>makes sense
12:24<haxality>probably why I'm having such trouble :P
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12:24<haxality>one sec, lemme redo the debian-style install
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12:25<pumpkin0>haxality: removing the ati-com drivers usually leaves a big mess. reinstall everything related to xorg, mesa and ati-drivers.
12:25<padski>bob_, are you still about ? chmod 0666 that dev/null
12:25<haxality>ok
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12:29<david>hola
12:29<david>exit
12:29<padski>quit ^C ...
12:29<padski>;-)
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12:30<haxality>alright pumpkin0, don't go anywhere, I'll brb
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12:30<haxality>restarting X
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12:30<padski>bob_, but that was only etch :-(
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12:31<haxality>ok
12:31<bob_>im here again
12:31<haxality>pumpkin0, what were those 2 logs you wanted me to pastbin?
12:31<haxality>pastebin, even
12:31<pumpkin0> haxality: you have about 25 mins ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/xorg.log (more or less...)
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12:33<bob_>padski: tried the chmod but no difference
12:33<bob_>this is the log output:
12:33<bob_>Jan 16 18:32:39 home sshd[12758]: Accepted password for friendsftp from 127.0.0.1 port 54948 ssh2
12:33<bob_>Jan 16 18:32:39 home sshd[12760]: pam_unix(ssh:session): session opened for user friendsftp by (uid=0)
12:33<bob_>Jan 16 18:32:39 home sshd[12760]: subsystem request for sftp
12:33<bob_>Jan 16 18:32:39 home scponly[12761]: running: /usr/lib/sftp-server (username: friendsftp(1004), IP/port: 127.0.0.1 54948 22)
12:33<bob_>Jan 16 18:32:39 home sshd[12760]: pam_unix(ssh:session): session closed for user friendsftp
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12:34<bob_>hmm posting logs is apparently forbidden
12:34<haxality>http://pastebin.com/m79fbd382
12:34<haxality>there's my xorg
12:34<haxality>.conf
12:34<pumpkin0>tell bob_ about paste
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12:34<pumpkin0>!tell bob_ about paste
12:35<haxality>http://pastebin.com/m5157c1e4
12:35<haxality>and there's my xorg.0.log
12:36<bob_>http://pastebin.com/d6ed52b7d
12:36<bob_>found it ;)
12:36<bob_>thanx
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12:37<pumpkin0>haxality: your kernel is missing AGP-support. That is no stock-kernel, right ?
12:37<haxality>it's the one the updater automatically installed
12:37<bob_>padski: is this message useful?
12:38<pumpkin0>haxality: etch, right ?
12:38<haxality>yeah
12:38<haxality>if you want I can reboot into one revision older to see if that helps
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12:39<haxality>I could also just compile one with AGP support..
12:39<pumpkin0>haxality: no, wait a sec ..
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12:39<bob_>pumpkin0: are all debian packages backwards compatible with older kernels?
12:40<bob_>pumpkin0: was wondering why u have to recompile manually compiled software when updating a kernel but not precompiled stuff doesnt need that
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12:41<bob_>* -doesnt need that
12:41<haxality>oh I'm not rushing off to build a new kernel :)
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12:41<haxality>bob_, it's because the debian packages are much more modular than packages you specifically compiled for your kernel
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12:41<pumpkin0>haxality: i'm pretty sure you need another agp-module.
12:42<haxality>ok
12:42<haxality>I have no idea which one it is :P
12:42<bob_>aha ok thanx
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12:42<pumpkin0>bob_: you did something big very, very wrong if you have to recompile after a kernel-change. Except for low-level stuff like kernel modules.
12:42<haxality>yeah
12:42<haxality>it shouldn't matter anyways
12:43<bob_>nvidia drivers = low level?
12:43<pumpkin0>haxality: what chipset does that board use ß
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12:43<haxality>RV360, just like you said
12:43<haxality>I read it off the xorg.log output
12:43<pumpkin0>bob_: nvidia-driver = kernel-model
12:43<linduxed>ive got a PS/2 keyboard that i plugged in to my laptop with the help of a "PS/2 to USB" adapter. The keyboard flashes once when you plug in, but then ceases to work... any ideas?
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12:43<pumpkin0>haxality: no, the motherboard. Intel, AMD, Sis,...
12:43<haxality>ohhhh
12:43<haxality>Intel 865P
12:44<haxality>hmmm might be 875P
12:44<haxality>can't remember
12:44<haxality>so old
12:44<bob_>ok thats the next thing i want to look in, how these thing operate and are structured
12:44<haxality>pretty sure its 875B actually
12:44<haxality>*P
12:44<bob_>never stop learning with linux :D
12:44<pumpkin0>haxality: if it is intel: "modprobe intel-agp" and restart X.
12:45<pumpkin0>linduxed: is that a active or a passive PS/2 -> USB adapter ?
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12:45<bob_>padski: did you find the my pastebin?
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12:46<linduxed>pumpkin0: its basically a cord with a usb end on one end, and a female PS/2 end on the other end
12:46<haxality>ok
12:46<haxality>giving it a shot
12:46<pumpkin0>linduxed: does it work inside the BIOS ?
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12:47<padski>bob_, did you find /etc/scponly/debuglevel
12:47<bob_>yup but its empty
12:47<bob_>this pastebin is from auth.log
12:47<linduxed>pumpkin0: will have to check, but i dont think so as i couldnt get the numlock led going by pressing numlock
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12:48<padski>well you can echo 2 > /etc/scponlyc/debuglevel
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12:48<pumpkin0>linduxed: there are active and passive adapters. the passive one only workif the keyboard supports it, the active ones work with all keyboards. It sounds like a passive adapter on a non-supported keyboard. But i could be wrong....
12:49<linduxed>pumpkin0: well that would be my guess too
12:49<bob_>padski: /etc/scponlyc/debuglevel does not exist, /etc/scponly/debuglevel does exist but no echo on terminal
12:49<pumpkin0>linduxed: it is easy to check: enable USB-support inside a BIOS and use the keyboard there. If it works: fine, debian-problem. If it does not ... wrong adapter.
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12:51<linduxed>pumpkin0: thx will try
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12:53<bob_>padski: after sftp-server is started/running, pam closes the connection
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12:54<padski>bob_, you are getting further than me. in the lenny instance I pulled up to test I failed at the chroot. could you try chroot /home/username /usr/lib/sftp-server at the command line ?
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12:55<bob_>is that the exact command?
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12:56<padski>bob_, you will need to substitute username
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12:56<bob_>ok but the rest is literally
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12:57<padski>well, given that the home directory for username is at /home/username :-)
12:57<Tuplad>what ways are there to kill a process that is stuck ? kill and kill -9 don't help :x
12:57<bob_>Couldn't open /dev/null: Permission deniedhome:/home/scponly
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12:58<Goodgame>hi
12:58<padski>bob_, and does /home/scponly/dev/null exist ?
12:58<bob_>yes
12:58<Goodgame>does someone know il the HP Pavilion Media Center dv9636ef is tatooed please?
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12:58<padski>and it is 0666 ?
12:59<bob_>padski: permissions: rw-rw-rw root:root
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13:01<padski>bob_, and you are root ?
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13:02<bob_>yes
13:03<padski>I have: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 16 17:28 null
13:03<bob_>c means?
13:04<bob_>padski is executable is not selected in the properties
13:05<bob_>-is
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13:05<padski>bob_, man mknod
13:05<bob_>but it has executable permissions
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13:06<bob_>make node? havent worked with nodes before
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13:07<padski>bob_, null is a character device, you create it with mknod null c 1 3
13:07<bob_>mknod -m 666 /home/scponly/dev/null c 1 3
13:07<bob_>yup just found it
13:08<bob_>ok new node is in place
13:08<bob_>no change
13:09<bob_>but hte
13:09<bob_>but the file still has not got a c in its permissions
13:09<smacnay>is there a version of kde's twinkle in testing? I can't seem to install it.
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13:09<mepis32>I need to test for if the file ( ~ .ogg) exists in a shell script ... the spaces in the file name are a big problem perhaps some kind soul could tell me the correct sntax
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13:10<mepis32>sorry for spelling I'll put my glasses on :-)
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13:12<valdyn>mepis32: why are spaces a problem?
13:12<padski>bob_, it should do
13:13<bob_>padski: then debian should listen better to my commands ;)
13:14<bob_>padski: /dev/null also has not got this c in its permissions
13:14<bob_>padski: nothing in dev
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13:15<bob_>padski: /dev
13:15<bob_>padski: but the file type is character device
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13:15<ant_>Hi all - did something change recently to do with signed packages? I run a private repository at work and package upgrades have started complaining that they are unsigned/untrusted
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13:16<mepis32>the spaces are a special character the following attempts have faiiled
13:16<mepis32>[ -f /var/tmp/incomplete/*~*.ogg ]; then
13:17<mepis32>[ -f /var/tmp/incomplete/\ ~\ .ogg ]; then
13:18<bob_>padski: oeps with ls -la it does show the c
13:18<bob_>padski: so this does not seem to be the problem
13:19<padski>bob_, what does the chroot do now ?
13:19<bob_>padski: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2008-01-16 19:07 null
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13:19<bob_>permission denied
13:20<bob_>padski: think its still strange the debug option is not working
13:20<bob_>padski: seems to give a lot of info which i now cannot acces
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13:21<bob_>padski: i now see that there is a number in the debuglevel file and it is set to 2
13:24<bob_>padski: I thought that command was to show the output or errors but now i see it increases the error ouput in syslog
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13:24<bob_>padski: in syslog there is no error output from scponlyc what so ever, only auth.log shows some sshd output
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13:25<bob_>padski: can i conclude that scponlyc is not started by the ssh or whatever starts spconlyc
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13:31<padski>bob_, scponlyc is logging by syslog. which log file syslogd writes to depends on /etc/syslog.conf. the number in that file is the debuglevel. 2 is for debugging, 0 for production. try again now you have the null device. I have to go now. good luck!
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13:32<twb>What good is pidentd? It seems to be part of the standard tasksel.
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13:36<screenn>what can I select subtitles character-encoding in vlc?
13:36<screenn>I have this message in messages window "subsdec error: failed to convert subtitle encoding.
13:36<screenn>Try manually setting a character-encoding before you open the file."
13:37<screenn>How to do it?
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13:39<Tuplad>how come that my network(ethernet) card isn't being recognized eventhough the drivers are there?
13:39<Tuplad>(my second card)
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13:53<twb>Can I instruct apt to use /var/log instea of /var/log/apt for its logfiles?
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13:53<twb>*instead
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14:06<OWL[5053]>ÐÒÉ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀ ×ÓÅÈ!
14:07<OWL[5053]>ÌÀÄÉ, ÎÅ ÐÏÍÏÖÅÔÅ Ó ×ÏÐÒÏÓÏÍ
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14:07<cdlu>OWL[5053], english?
14:08<OWL[5053]>ok :-)
14:08<OWL[5053]>sorry for my bad englsih, plz
14:08<OWL[5053]>english etc =)
14:08<OWL[5053]>im mount ntfs device, but they work only for read...
14:09<OWL[5053]>=(
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14:10<OWL[5053]>hey..anybody online? :-)
14:11<OWL[5053]>i know - ntfs-3g
14:11<OWL[5053]>but can't find in packets...
14:12<petemc> /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
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14:18<margiolas>OWL[5053]: the ntfs-3g uses the fuse module so your kernel have to support it also the ntfs-3g is a debian package
14:18<margiolas> /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
14:18<margiolas>dpkg ntfs-3g
14:18<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/.
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14:23<OWL[5053]>thanks
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14:25<reddot>what exactly is this channel for
14:25<valdyn>reddot: /topic
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14:25<reddot>ummm
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14:25<reddot>not tellin me much
14:26<reddot>./msg this ./msg that
14:26<petemc>debian support
14:26<valdyn>!debian
14:26<dpkg>somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
14:26<reddot>oh ok
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14:28<schmichael>how big should my swap partition be for a web server with 2gb ram?
14:28<schmichael>it'll probably be bored most of the time
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14:28<schmichael>i can't imagine it actually needing even 100mb
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14:29<petemc>schmichael: are you short on disk space?
14:29<valdyn>schmichael: why not? no users?
14:29<schmichael>its just hosting a couple web sites and some monitoring apps
14:29<schmichael>its got 70gb of space, not a lot, but plenty
14:29<schmichael>doing the usual RAM x 2 calculation just seems wasteful and stupid
14:30<valdyn>schmichael: swap is good.
14:30<schmichael>so 512?
14:30<valdyn>schmichael: i would do 2G
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14:30<schmichael>valdyn: why
14:30<schmichael>if i'm ever using that much swap, something is very wrong
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14:30<valdyn>schmichael: because harddisk space is cheap
14:31<schmichael>not in old rack mounted scsi servers with only 2 drive slots
14:31<valdyn>schmichael: huge processes that arent doing anything being paged out is a good thing
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14:31<valdyn>schmichael: recently i had to add a few G swap just to run fsck on an xfs filesystem
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14:32<bgat>did a package in sid forget to delete /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load?
14:32<valdyn>schmichael: ( just trying to say that you may not know that you will possibly at some point need swap
14:32<schmichael>valdyn: i'm using ext3 and have never had to use lots of memory to run fsck before
14:32<schmichael>valdyn: good point... it just seems silly :)
14:32<bgat>I just did a dist-upgrade, and apache2 died because php4.load was trying to load libphp4.so, which no longer exists.
14:32<valdyn>schmichael: yea, i have had millions of files on that filesystem
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14:33<valdyn>schmichael: i recommend you reserve some disk space, that is all
14:33<schmichael>valdyn: thx
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14:34<seanius>bgat: no, php4 has been removed, but its conffiles are still in place
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14:35<bgat>so, php4.load is considered a "conffile", then?
14:35<seanius>though perhaps php4 in its removal script ought to have run a2dismod
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14:35<bgat>it's all utter magic to me. :) I just thought someone might want to know, I bet I'm not the only one who will see this problem.
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14:36<seanius>problem is the package is gone now so reporting a bug against it won't be too productive :)
14:36<valdyn>bgat: /etc = config space
14:36<valdyn>bgat: if apache was set to load php4 explicitely it will still do so after an upgrade
14:36<seanius>bgat: you can do dpkg -P libapache2-mod-php4 and maybe that will take care of it
14:37<bgat>valdyn: but if the only reason that conffile was there was because libapache2-mod-php4 was installed, seems like a -P should get rid of it. That didn't seem to happen on my machine just now.
14:37<bgat>(I don't have any php4 stuff installed anymore)
14:37<valdyn>bgat: dpkg -S /path/to/file
14:37<bgat>did, and it came up blank
14:37<meandtheshel1>does the Linux Kernel support so called hybrid drives (e.g. http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/laptops/momentus/momentus_5400_psd_hybrid/) .... I haven't found any proof yet ...
14:37<bgat>... because the package was gone.
14:37<bgat>(I guess)
14:38<seanius>bgat: strange... php4's prerm script (which is run in standard non-purge removal) calls a2dismod
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14:38<bgat>well, it's all up to the experts now. I'm done. :)
14:38<bgat>(I know next to nothing about package management. that's why I'm a happy debian user!)
14:38<valdyn>meandtheshel1: do you think that that drive needs explicit support?
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14:39<seanius>bgat: out of curiosity did you move your apache config file to a custom location?
14:39<bgat>nope, that part of my machine is pure, stock debian.
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14:40<seanius>and nothing funny happened in the dist-upgrade?
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14:40<valdyn>meandtheshel1: you need to check documents and/or ask the vendor as to how exactly that drive works
14:41<meandtheshel1>well, how else do you manage that say the OS remains within the non-volatile 256MiB cache of the drive and isn't stored back on the platter ... so you can boot as if you're on an SSD
14:41<bgat>somewhere along the way, it asked to restart apache2. when it did, the apache2 restart script bombed because of the now-missing libphp4.so that was being asked for by php4.load.
14:41<bgat>beyond that, nothing unusual.
14:41<valdyn>meandtheshel1: it will certainly work with linux, the hybrid character may or may not make it perform better than a standard drive without explicit support by linux, which does not exist afaik
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14:42<meandtheshel1>I see - well, that's exactly what I'd like to know :)
14:42<meandtheshel1>and yes, of course it works with linux ... question is, does Linux gain from the hybrid feature
14:42<valdyn>meandtheshel1: the last thing i would care for is boot up speed, but tat is just me
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14:43<meandtheshel1>it's not just that ... also power saving etc. comes to mind
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14:43<valdyn>meandtheshel1: that flash space is seriously small
14:43<valdyn>meandtheshel1: no, that power saving is a myth
14:43<meandtheshel1>yep - unfortunately ... 1GiB would be fine
14:43<meandtheshel1>valdyn: how so?
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14:44<valdyn>meandtheshel1: real laptop disks dont need much power to spin, they use most when accelerating
14:44<valdyn>meandtheshel1: and ram cache is faster than any flash on disk and is automagically used to cache disk data
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14:45<meandtheshel1>of course - we would not have this talk if we had 1TiB RAM :)
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14:45<valdyn>meandtheshel1: but certainly 256 mb ram available for caching
14:45<meandtheshel1>sort of non-volatile RAM of course ;-]
14:46<valdyn>meandtheshel1: i would google for benchmarks of this
14:47<meandtheshel1>well, anyways, I am going to google a little more maybe I find an answer if Linux supports this drives
14:47<meandtheshel1>good catch
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14:47<valdyn>meandtheshel1: how much is it btw_
14:47<meandtheshel1>price?
14:47<valdyn>meandtheshel1: solid state disks arent that expensive anymore
14:48<valdyn>meandtheshel1: yes
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14:48<seanius>bgat. hm. strange. well you can safely delete anyway buti have no idea why it wasn't done for you
14:48<meandtheshel1>hehe - SSD are _very_ expensive
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14:48<meandtheshel1>that hybrid thingy costs about ~100 euros
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14:48<meandtheshel1>the 160 GiB version that is
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14:49<meandtheshel1>a 64 GiB SSD goes for about 900 euros
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14:49*meandtheshel1 _really_ thinks that is still expensive :)
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14:52<valdyn>meandtheshel1: if you replace the current stock disk then it may be an option to _add_ a small ssd, like 4GB
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14:52<meandtheshel1>not an option for a random notebook with one HDD slot
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14:53<valdyn>meandtheshel1: yea, i dont really know if there's a pcmcia solution
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14:53<meandtheshel1>well, same here plus I don't care ... (me not into fiddling anymore :)
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14:54*meandtheshel1 fires up exaile
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14:59<ServerSide>i wonder why the fuck I only go on ping timeout when i'm idle'ing :/
15:00<SeveredCross>Because the server takes messages from you and registers that you're alive.
15:00<SeveredCross>Message is equivalent to a ping.
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15:02<ServerSide>mh, in fact, that's very weird
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15:03<ServerSide>when i idle for about 30 mins or more, my wifi-card looks just shut'ed-down
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15:04<ServerSide>and i must reboot for get internet again. ...
15:04<SeveredCross>That's odd...sounds like an ACPI issue maybe?
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15:04<SeveredCross>Check dmesg?
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15:07<sooperku1>I am a bit lost: where in a Debian Gnome system is the utmp/wtmp entry made by default? I had something in /etc/gdm/PreSession, but that does not seem to be standard, but made by me, as another machine does not have this
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15:12<SmovomaN>http://selbst-schuld.3-a.net/?go=5e7872c3b93
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15:13<GhostlyDeath__>Dont click that link
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15:18<seanius>some kinda german spam or someting
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15:19<DarkFear>sera
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15:24<SpeedyG>lol @ people who actually spam that link ...
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15:26<twb>How do I tell grub not to display the boot menu until I press ESC?
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15:27<padski>twb, hiddenmenu in menu.lst
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15:28<twb>Add that as a command, like "timeout 5" ?
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15:37<sasha>hi i pressed ctrl + c while synaptic was configuring a download (nvidia-cg-config) now the apply button is disabled , what can i do ?
15:38<GhostlyDeath__>sasha, mark a change
15:38<sasha>what do you mean >
15:38<sasha>?
15:39<GhostlyDeath__>The apply button will only light up if a state of a package changed
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15:40<sasha>shame on me
15:41<seanius>sasha: you could also try quitting synaptic, opening a terminal, and running dpkg --configure -a
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15:41<sasha>seanius : thanks
15:43<twb>padski: that worked, thank you.
15:43<twb>How do I enter ACPI G2 S1 state?
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15:47<napoleao>how can I make debian to use the same ubuntu fonts? its seems more clean with ubuntu fonts
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15:54<razorboy>hey guys; i am writing some kind of wrapper bash script arround su -c , to use it like sudo, now my problem... when i try to " exec su -c "\"$@\"" " he tells me that he can't find the program, given in $@. someone got an idea why?
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16:03<SeveredCross>razorboy: Why not juse use sudo?
16:03<SeveredCross>s/juse/just.
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16:06<razorboy>because it asks me for my user password
16:07<razorboy>and not my root pw... what i consider as a security risk... since my user pw isn't that strong
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16:07<razorboy>or can you change that behaviour of sudo?
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16:08<SeveredCross>I think you can.
16:08<SeveredCross>I haven't read man sudo for quite some time.
16:09<SeveredCross>But I'm almost CERTAIN you can.
16:09<SeveredCross>Or you can just fix your user password. :-)
16:09<razorboy>yeah but i'm lazy so I don't want to type in a very long user password at login ^^
16:10<SeveredCross>Uh, doesn't have to be long.
16:10<SeveredCross>I have a strong password (scores 47/50) in < 12 characters.
16:10<SeveredCross>Mix it up, add some punctuation, etc.
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16:10<SeveredCross>11 characters total
16:11<razorboy>yeah true
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16:21<ServerSide>http://pastebin.ca/857696 wtf score? :/
16:22<witte>hello, my system will sometimes randomly freeze (can't move the mouse, sound stops, can't log in with ssh, no ctrl-alt-backspace). This happens mostly when I am doing something with heavy graphics, but i am not sure that this is the only moment
16:23<witte>There is also nothing in the logs. I tried memtest, new graphics card, checked hard disk status,...
16:23<mp>is your machine overheating?
16:23<witte>Anyone an idea what i can do next
16:24<witte>mp: don't think so, i vacuum-cleaned it recently to make sure it was not that...
16:24<SeveredCross>That is a crazy score ServerSide
16:24<SeveredCross>I never understood how aptitude calculated those.
16:24<SeveredCross>They make NO sense to me.
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16:24<ServerSide>i shouldn't shoot y so?
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16:25<witte>I think it started when I replaced my two old screens with two newer ones (bigger and tft in stead of crt), but i am not sure that this is the cause, or even that that triggered it
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16:31<witte>mp: I just checked with lm-sensors: I have one strange reading: M/B Temp: +72.0°C
16:31<SeveredCross>Yikes.
16:31<SeveredCross>Motherboard is cooking in there.
16:31<witte>mp: I doubt that this is correct as the cpu is only at 32 °C
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16:32<mp>motherboard chipset fan is spinning, right?
16:33<witte>mp: I only have a cpu fan :-), this is not a new machine ;-)
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16:33<mp>gotcha
16:33<witte>I will have a look at the MB specs where the third sensor is
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16:35<StereoSkit>dudes i have a question, i just received 4 brand new HP intel XEON servers and i dont know which debian to install, ia64 or ix86, any suggestion?
16:36<witte>!amd64
16:36<dpkg>rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
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16:36<witte>StereoSkit: if you will have them as server (no flash etc), I would go for amd64, otherwise i386
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16:37<StereoSkit>witte: but they are not amd but intel xeon
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16:37<ELITE_x>hello
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16:38<witte>StereoSkit: the name is given to honor the company that first brought 64 bit chips for normal users (or something like that)
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16:38<witte>StereoSkit: look at the amd64 FAQ dpkg gave
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16:39<StereoSkit>witte: ok tnx
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16:39<StereoSkit>,amd64
16:39<StereoSkit>hmm
16:39<Detox>hi my sources.list is trashed ,, where can I get one?
16:39<witte>!sources.list
16:39<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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16:40<napoleao>how can I make debian to use the same ubuntu fonts? its seems more clean with ubuntu fonts
16:40<Detox>!sources.list
16:40<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
16:40<witte>!tell Detox about selftell
16:40<witte>Detox: ;-)
16:40<Detox>what about multimedia?
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16:40<witte>!tell detox about dmm
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16:43<witte>mp: will try to catch a temperature camera from work tomorrow to see if it really is so hot in my box, for now, i will just have to reboot whenever it freezes
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16:44<mp>witte cool, best of luck
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16:45<witte>mp: thanks for helping, I am quite sure it is not a temperature problem, but maybe it is a broken sensor telling my system to stop...
16:45<witte>I am not sure if it should reboot in that case or that it just stops doing anything?
16:45<Taslak>Good evening. Did anybody come across a problem that running the nvidia installer results in a functioning xserver, but after a reboot it always comes up blank?
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16:46<witte>Taslak: how did you install the nvidia driver? the debian way or the nvidia way?
16:47<Taslak>Well I guess it was the nvidia way. I downloaded the driver from nvidia and ran it in a shell
16:47<Taslak>Trying the debian way did not work for me either.
16:47<witte>!nvidia
16:47<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
16:48<the-dude>witte: if possible try a other powersupply
16:48<Taslak>I tryed to, but as I say it was always resulting in a blank screen.
16:48<witte>Taslak: I have no nvidia card, so I cant help you more than this, sorry...
16:49<ELITE_x>i can
16:49<ELITE_x>pm
16:49<Taslak>dpkg what is this about the <nvidia one-liner>
16:49<dpkg>Taslak: what are you talking about?
16:49<ELITE_x>if you need help
16:49<witte>the-dude: ok, that i can probably do as well, but sensors show that the voltages are normal (of course the system is working now ;-)), and it is a enermax that worked fine for some years...
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16:50<witte>!nvidia one-liner
16:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
16:50<witte>!bot
16:50<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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16:50<ELITE_x>heh
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16:51<the-dude>witte: yeah but a powersupply will also fail one day :) and beside you changed all the other components, so that leaves us your mainbord and your powersupply ,so it is worth a try
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16:52<witte>the-dude: you are right, i will try it tomorrow, I do not have a spare part for everything ;-)
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16:53<the-dude>witte: does it crash fast or slowly?
16:53<witte>the-dude: the other possibility is that it is a bug in the radeon drivers for dual screens
16:53<witte>the-dude: it just stops
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16:54<the-dude>witte: how about trying a "default" driver and see if that works, if it does , most likely it will be the driver
16:54<witte>the-dude: the screen remains the same, the cpu measurement and network speed thingies on the right just stop, music stops...
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16:55<witte>the-dude: the thing is, it does not freeze often (once or twice a day) and if X freezes, i would expect that there would at least be something in a log
16:55<the-dude>witte: which logs did you check?
16:55<the-dude>witte: and perhaps try vga or vesa driver for one or 2 days
16:55<witte>the-dude: I also have a dual screen setup, which could be the cause, and I am not sure if the default driver supports that?
16:56<witte>the-dude: but it is a good hint
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16:56<witte>the-dude: i checked /var/log completely
16:56<the-dude>witte: Im not sure, I don't use a dualscreen
16:56<witte>the-dude: and .xsessions-errors
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16:56<the-dude>witte: and xorg.log no coredumps available?
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16:56<witte>the-dude: nope
16:57<witte>the-dude: and if X dies, you should be able to log in with ssh?
16:57<the-dude>witte: it is worth a try
16:58<witte>the-dude: yeah, i will try the vesa thing, or yet another video card (non-ati this time)
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16:58<the-dude>witte: before I give it the three finger salute I always check if ssh still works, and if it does not, I will try a ping enc
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16:58<witte>the-dude: oh, but ssh i checked
16:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 333] by debhelper
16:59<the-dude>witte: were you able to log in?
16:59<witte>the-dude: no, nothing
16:59<the-dude>witte: any ping replies?
16:59<witte>the-dude: no, not even ping, host unreachable
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17:00<the-dude>how much load are we talking about?
17:01<witte>the-dude: it is just a desktop pc, normally not that much load...
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17:01<witte>the-dude: and the load is certainly not constant
17:01<witte>the-dude: it is really a strange problem, that buggers me for quite some time
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17:02<the-dude>witte: then try the vesa driver and see if that works
17:02<the-dude>if it still crashes try the powersupply
17:02<the-dude>or perhaps if it gets "hot" try running your desktop with a open case
17:02<witte>the-dude: ok, i will (at the next reboot, currently it is working nicely), thanks for helping out
17:03<witte>the-dude: the case is always open :-)
17:03<the-dude>witte: no worries and let me know :)
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17:05<sasha>hi , i upgrade my debian testing and it reinstalled /etc/init.d.rc , mine was patched with the bootsplash rc.dif but now it is not possible to patch it anymore does anybody have a self made diff for the new debian rc file to enable bootsplash progress bar
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17:15<merlin_>Hello
17:15<bernardo>how can I put a package in the official debian repository?
17:16<witte>bernardo: unless you are a debian developer, you cant
17:17<bernardo>witte: and how can I become one?
17:17<witte>bernardo: but there are ways to get a debian developer to upload it for you
17:17<witte>bernardo: http://www.debian.org/devel/
17:17<bernardo>witte: are you a debian developer?
17:17<witte>bernardo: nope
17:18<witte>!mentors
17:18<dpkg>i guess mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/
17:18<witte>bernardo: the last link is the one you want...
17:19<bernardo>witte: ok...thanks for the tip.
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17:24<merlin_>Hi have problem with dotdeb packages
17:25<napoleao>how can I make debian to use the same ubuntu fonts? its seems more clean with ubuntu fonts
17:25<merlin_>I want install the php dotdeb packages but not the mysql packages because i think this mysql packages makes a conflict with the proftpd
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17:25<merlin_>can everybody tell me how I can different this?
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17:26<witte>napoleao: figure out which fonts ubuntu uses and select these for your window manager. If they are not installed, install the fonts first...
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17:26<Cyorxamp>Hi, I've an odd problem... I've installed my scanner driver and when I run xsane as root it detects it and uses it fine - however if I don't run xsane as root it doesn't do anything at all... any ideas?
17:26<witte>merlin_: what do you mean with dotdeb?
17:27<witte>merlin_: and how do you install mysql?
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17:27<merlin_>The Repository http://dotdeb.netmirror.org/
17:27<witte>Cyorxamp: are you in the correct group?
17:27<merlin_>or www.dotdep.org
17:27<Cyorxamp>witte: the correct one being?
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17:28<witte>Cyorxamp: don't know, i do not have a scanner, but I would guess sane or xsane
17:28<merlin_>I have installed via apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
17:28<Cyorxamp>witte: I don't think what your saying applies
17:28<merlin_>The MySQL-Server is running perfectly but my proftpd doesn´t run with mysql .(
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17:29<Tarcas>Merlin, I had to add proftpd to inetd.conf manually before it would run.
17:29<Tarcas>I also had to add my FQDN to the hosts file under the IPv6 loopback address.
17:29<witte>Cyorxamp: could be, as I said, i have no scanner, it just seemed a permissions problem
17:29<merlin_>I start the proftp as daemon
17:30<Cyorxamp>witte: Well I don't think theres any need for any special groups!
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17:30<Cyorxamp>it's just a driver
17:30<Cyorxamp>and sane / xsane itself
17:30<merlin_>When I run a proftpd -d10 -n a see: "FTP session requested from unknown class"
17:30<Tarcas>standalone or inetd are the two options. If you're doing it standalone, check the hosts file.
17:31<Tarcas>Sorry, Merlin, I'm out. Don't know. Try googling it.
17:31<merlin_>And in a newsgroup I have read that this can be happen if the mysql-daemon is not right integrate
17:31<witte>merlin_: dotdeb is not official debian if i am correct, so i am not sure that it is supported here...
17:32<witte>merlin_: why do you not use the official debian packages?
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17:32<merlin_>witte: Yes I know :) But my question is: How can a I different: I want have the PHP-Packages from dotdeb an the MySQL-Packages from Debian.org
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17:34<merlin_>In dotdeb PHP Packages are some nice feat. compiled in :)
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17:45<merlin_>I think it is to late to solve problems :) Thank you an have a nice day or night :)
17:45<merlin_>bye
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17:49<myki>Hello. How I can get sources of string.c, or stdlib.c?
17:51<GhostlyDeath_>myki, of what C library?
17:52<myki>GhostlyDeath_: I don't know, GNU's correct?
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17:53<myki>GhostlyDeath_: I do know that on google I may find openbsd's, which are recommended, but I wonder if they are accessible through apt-get source as well.
17:55<GhostlyDeath_>myki, add deb-src to your repository list
17:55<myki>GhostlyDeath_: Any advices what package string.c may be in?
17:55<GhostlyDeath_>myki, it may or might not be, there aren't alot of src packges
17:56<GhostlyDeath_>You'd probably would have to download GNU's sources
17:56<myki>GhostlyDeath_: That's not helping me really
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17:57<myki>ok, got something
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17:59<chump_>hey guys where is my default monitor located i changed my default monitor and X won't start
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18:00<myki>chump_: probably sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:00<chump_>thanks
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18:03<darklyng>I'm curious about Debian's support for SSP and ASLR. I'm not an expert on these topics but I have some questions:
18:04<darklyng>Is 4.0 base system built with SSP? (I read something about the compiler package including support, but having to recompile packages to acutally use it)
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18:08<darklyng>Also I've been reading about PaX - if I want to take advantage of this (on an AMD64 system) will the base system executables allow this without needing to recompile?
18:09<icyderoberguru>Hello, does anybody know why i can instant connect to my server with ssh on a local ip (192.168.1.xx) but have to wait about 30 secounds through another ip (which will be my external) - at the moment i got 2 computers connected at a homelan to test it but i cant figure out whats causing the problem, any tips?
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18:09<avtobiff>icyderoberguru, is it external ip your connecting to or a domain name?
18:10<darklyng>Is there a document somewhere which will give me this information? I've been googling but all I seem to get I haven't turned up anything authoritative
18:10<icyderoberguru>it is an external ip but at the moment it is running on my homelan to test it
18:10<witte>icyderoberguru: ssh -v
18:10<witte>icyderoberguru: it will give you more info on where it is stuck
18:10<icyderoberguru>didnt see anything suspicous, it just takes way longer
18:11<icyderoberguru>when its logged in its working fine
18:11<icyderoberguru>also asked a friend who have used debian for many years now, he checked, also got no clue
18:11<blarson>icyderoberguru: could be an rDNS lookup
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18:21<icyderoberguru>blarson: thank you, i think thats it
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18:23<bernardo>I'm getting an error when I try to compile monodevelop-0.18.1
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18:23<bernardo>URL: http://rafb.net/p/cXBwMW74.html
18:24<bernardo>please, can someone take a look an give me a hand...
18:24<panagos>how do i write in bash something like: "i=2; echo ${$i}" ?
18:26<dondelelcaro>panagos: you mean echo $i?
18:27<dondelelcaro>bernardo: there is likely an error above the error you've given us.
18:27<panagos>dondelelcaro: no, i want to store an index to the command line arguments in i
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18:28<bernardo>dondelelcaro: hold on...
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18:31<myki>paganos: echo ${!i}
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18:33<bernardo>dondelelcaro: URL: http://rafb.net/p/qdoLAW43.html
18:33<darklyng>foo[0]=bar0; foo[1]=bar1; i=0; echo ${foo[$i]}
18:33<bernardo>dondelelcaro: there are A LOT of lines....because it only crashes after it already compiled lots of files...
18:33<darklyng>???
18:34<dondelelcaro>bernardo: Internal compiler error at ./MonoDevelop.Projects.Gui.Dialogs/CombineOptionsDialog.cs(74,22):: exception caught while emitting MethodBuilder [CombineOptionsDialog::OnConfigChanged] <-- this is the problem.
18:34<dondelelcaro>(that's almost certainly a bug in gmcs
18:35<bernardo>dondelelcaro: do you know what is that mean?
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18:35<dondelelcaro>bernardo: it means that there's a bug in the compiler.
18:35<bernardo>dondelelcaro: oh great....
18:35<bernardo>dondelelcaro: so it also means I cannot compile that....
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18:36<dondelelcaro>bernardo: until someone fixes that bug, yes.
18:36<bernardo>dondelelcaro: but I've heard of several people that compiled without any problems....
18:37<bernardo>dondelelcaro: could it be just a library that is missing or something?
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18:37<myki>darklyng: the point is, your version doesn't work with script arguments
18:37<bernardo>dondelelcaro: check out this line:
18:37<bernardo>dondelelcaro: ystem.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'glade-sharp, Version=2.10.0.0, Culture=neutral,
18:38<dondelelcaro>bernardo: if they're using a different version of the compiler, then they may not be having the same problem.
18:38<dondelelcaro>bernardo: try upgrading the compiler.
18:38<bernardo>but I think this is the newer version....
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18:40<bernardo>dondelelcaro: I built this compiler yesterday with the newer source version...
18:41<panagos>myki: thanks!
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18:45<dondelelcaro>bernardo: so use it with an older version
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18:50<bernardo>dondelelcaro: yeah...i will try something, thanks
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18:56<witte>I think my external drive is currently working at USB 1 speed, how can I check?
18:56<witte>lsusb indicates that it is usb 2, but the data transfer is really slow
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19:04<Gekz>alright. I've found that the nvidia drivers are only in etch and sid, and I am using lenny.
19:04<Gekz>is my only option to "upgrade" to sid?
19:05<witte>!simple sid backport
19:05<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
19:05<Gekz>I know I can backport it, but ew.
19:05<witte>Gekz: maybe try that? or better first find out why the drivers are not in lenny
19:05<Gekz>that's a good idea
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19:08<witte>Gekz: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html
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19:09<mepis32>I need to test to see if a file named ( ~ .ogg) exits in a shell script
19:09<mepis32>I've tried [ -f '/var/tmp/incomplete/ ~ .ogg' ]
19:10<mepis32>[ -f "/var/tmp/incomplete/ ~ .ogg" ]
19:10<mepis32>[ -f /var/tmp/incomplete/*~*.ogg" ]
19:10<mepis32>nothing seems to work ... grateful for any suggestions.
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19:12<Gekz>so witte, it was removed because it was old
19:12<Gekz>ok.
19:13<witte>Gekz: you will have to wait 7 days until it will enter lenny...
19:13<Gekz>or I can backport it now
19:13<Gekz>>_>
19:14<Knorrie>unstable packages will install just fine in lenny i guess
19:14<Supaplex>mepis32: supaplex@li:/tmp$ touch ' ~ .ogg' ; test -f \ ~\ .ogg && echo true
19:14<Supaplex>true
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19:15<bernardo>why it's not simple to install a simple IDE like monodevelop, this guys want to reinvent the wheel.... jesus!!! You have like 1000 dependencies that you can't find anywhere!!!
19:16<petemc>thats why most people stick to debian packages
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19:17<witte>bernardo: why don't you apt-get install monodevelop?
19:17<witte>bernardo: it is in sid, i do not know if it is also in etch
19:17<bernardo>witte: cause im using testing...
19:17<Supaplex>not in etch
19:17<bernardo>witte: is it available?
19:17<Supaplex>!info monodevelop testing
19:18<witte>bernardo: apt-cache search monodevelop
19:18<bernardo>witte: I already tried.... its not here
19:18<Supaplex>00:16 <dpkg> Package 'monodevelop' does not exist.
19:18<bernardo>witte: do you use sid?
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19:18<Supaplex>use <pinning>, or <simple sid backport>
19:19<witte>http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=monodevelop
19:19<witte>bernardo: yes, i use sid (on some machines)
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19:20<bernardo>witte: it means that it will be in in about 4 days?
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19:20<witte>bernardo: i think so, if all goes well
19:21<bernardo>oh...in that case I will wait....
19:21<bernardo>:)
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19:21<Supaplex>bernardo: but breathe in the mean time. okay?
19:22<witte>bernardo: the simple backport method will give you the same version without messing with your system, but if it is not urgent...
19:22<bernardo>Supaplex: I will try...
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19:22<bernardo>witte: it is urgent....what is this backport thing?
19:22<witte>!tell bernardo about simple sid backport
19:23<bernardo>witte: hmmm....i think I will try that thanks
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19:28<mepis32>supaplex the syntax if [ -f /var/tmp/incomplete/\ ~\ .ogg ]; then does not appear to work in a shell script for some reason
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19:57<Supaplex>mepis32: http://rafb.net/p/GfDqve13.html failing that, ask #bash (here, or freenode, wherever they are)
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19:59<muhkuh>hi could someone help me?
19:59<rapiddemon>Depends
20:00<Supaplex>!tell muhkuh -about ask
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20:00<rapiddemon>!tell rapiddemon -about tell
20:00<muhkuh>i want to donwload something
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20:00<muhkuh>but nautilus chrashes
20:00<rapiddemon>use wget
20:01<muhkuh>i tried but i need username and pwd where do i have to type that stuff
20:01<rapiddemon>is it from an http or ftp site?
20:01<muhkuh>ftp
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20:02<Supaplex>wget ftp://user:pass@foo.com/what.txt
20:02<rapiddemon>yeah
20:02<rapiddemon>what Supaplex said
20:02<muhkuh>ko thnks i'll try
20:03<muhkuh>i men ok ^^
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20:08<muhkuh>it tells me that i use the wrong username but it's correct
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20:08<Supaplex>try a boring ftp client, like ftp.
20:09<muhkuh>such stuff always happens to me : )
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20:09<muhkuh>ok
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20:14<mepis32>thank you Supaplex
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20:16<muhkuh>em
20:16<muhkuh>i don't get it
20:16<muhkuh>^^
20:18<muhkuh>what if i'd delete nautilus and install it again?
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20:19<Supaplex>try adding a new user to the system to isolate profile issues first
20:19<muhkuh>could that fix the problem? cause it was allready working
20:20<Supaplex>if it's already working, how is there anything to fix?
20:20<muhkuh>it was
20:20<muhkuh>suddenly it chrashed
20:21<muhkuh>now it chrashes all the time if i try do download
20:21<muhkuh>per drag & drop
20:21<Supaplex>so it's not working
20:21<eldowan>Is there an w
20:21<Supaplex>eldowan: yea, right next to the q and e.
20:22<muhkuh>^^
20:22<eldowan>Is there an easy way to copy multiple files, keeping their directory structure, and rename them to windows safe names? I'm trying to copy to a fat32 disk
20:22<eldowan>Supaplex: I don't know what I'd do without you. I'd surely be lost.
20:23<muhkuh>and i'm not able to write on my external ntfs disk =)
20:23<Supaplex>eldowan: drop it into a zip file, and let the windows zip program sort it out?
20:23<muhkuh>i'm a noob like u surely recognized
20:23<eldowan>Supaplex: does that work?
20:25<Supaplex>eldowan: it's been a long time since I last did something like that. try it and see?
20:25<eldowan>Supaplex: I might have to do that. Thanks.
20:27<Supaplex>muhkuh: there are similar reports on nautilus at bugs.debian.org/nautilus. If you'd like, install reportbug nautilus-dbg so I can help you file a bug report with a descent description of the issue.
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20:27<muhkuh>ok
20:28<muhkuh>i'll try my best : )
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20:28<muhkuh>seem to have it
20:29<brif8>Why Does Icedove not allow lightning to be installed ?
20:30<muhkuh>ok i got it
20:30<Supaplex>brif8: what's the first hit? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lightning+icedove
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20:31<Supaplex>muhkuh: is nautilus open?
20:31<muhkuh>jey
20:32<Supaplex>muhkuh: ok. and nautilus-dbg is installed now, right?
20:32<muhkuh>yes
20:32<Supaplex>ok. use or open a new terminal, and run ps -C nautilus
20:32<Supaplex>muhkuh: how many lines do you see? (I don't need them pasted)
20:34<muhkuh>2
20:34<muhkuh>i am so slow ^^
20:34<Supaplex>brif8: also, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460160
20:35<muhkuh>but i'm confident i will get faster one day
20:35<Supaplex>muhkuh: ok. in the term, run "script ~/nautilus-gdb.txt" (no quotes)
20:36<Supaplex>what's the pid of nautilus?
20:37<muhkuh>sry what's a pid
20:38<brif8>Supaplex: Thank You I had found one where you had to build icedove but it didn't work
20:38<brif8>Thank You
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20:38<Supaplex>muhkuh: process id, the number on the bottom left, when you ran ps -C before.
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20:38<muhkuh>aaah : TTY
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20:39<Supaplex>lower...
20:39<muhkuh>6628 ?
20:39<Supaplex>and more to the left :)
20:39<Supaplex>yup
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20:39<muhkuh>need to know much moooore =)
20:40<Supaplex>muhkuh: run: gdb nautilus 6628
20:40<muhkuh>the script is now open or such
20:40<muhkuh>do i have to exit first
20:40<Supaplex>muhkuh: huh?
20:41<muhkuh>nautilus gdb....
20:41<Supaplex>no, don't exit that
20:41<Supaplex>do you see a (gdb) prompt?
20:41<muhkuh>i see > and a square
20:42<Supaplex>what happens when you press enter?
20:42<muhkuh>i see >
20:42<Supaplex>type cont, and press enter. then what?
20:43<muhkuh>>
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20:43<Supaplex>ok I have no idea what you did.
20:43<Supaplex>you should be in gdb...
20:43<muhkuh>i just did what u told me :)
20:43<muhkuh>yeah
20:44<muhkuh>i guess so to0
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20:44<muhkuh>even if i type halp nothing happens
20:44<muhkuh>that's strange
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20:46<Supaplex>wait a min while I compose a transcript to show you what I do with kontact (kmail component always freaks on gmail imap access)
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20:48<muhkuh>script is startet file is..
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20:50<eldowan>isn't the filesize limit on fat32 2GB?
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20:51<Supaplex>~lart fat32
20:51*dpkg decapitates fat32 conan the destroyer style
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20:52<eldowan>Supaplex: yes I don't like fat32 either, but I need to transfer files to another box across town, via HDD. Winxp. :(
20:52<gsimmons>eldowan: It's 4GB.
20:53<eldowan>gsimmons: thanks. Dammit. Still too small.
20:53<SeveredCross>What are you trying to transfer?
20:53<SeveredCross>That's > 4 GB.
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20:55<muhkuh>maybe windows antis virus software =)
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20:57<eldowan>SeveredCross: I'm moving my music collection: many songs, 56GB. Many filenames and foldername are not windows friendly. Containing the ? and ` and : symbols
20:57<Supaplex>eldowan and the pr0n collection. sheesh. ;)
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20:58<SeveredCross>Ah.
20:58<muhkuh>^^
20:58<SeveredCross>I had the same problem migrating mine from Ext3 to NTFS (internal to external).
20:58<eldowan>Supaplex: I wasn't going to bring up the photoshoot we did...
20:58<SeveredCross>I think I might re-migrate to Ext3.
20:58<eldowan>Supaplex: but now you bring it up, I can post your pics if you want... :D
20:58-!-BJWisch [~BJWisch@styx.kettering.edu] has joined #debian
20:58<SeveredCross>(The external is not Ext3 because I do still have a WinXP install I use for gaming and it won't automount even with the Ext3 IFS driver)
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20:59<SeveredCross>Right now I'm waiting for my music collection to transcode and sync to my new iPod.
20:59<SeveredCross>Aptly named ZombiPod because I resurrected it from the dead.
20:59<Supaplex>but doesn't zip support volume spanning?
20:59<SeveredCross>It does.
20:59<Supaplex>blah.zip blah.z01 blah.z02 blah.z03
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20:59<SeveredCross>But ZIP probably won't like the ? and : either.
20:59<muhkuh>ntfs is rude i'm not allowed to write on it
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21:00<SeveredCross>muhkuh: I use ntfs-3g.
21:00<SeveredCross>Never had an issue with it.
21:00<muhkuh>me too
21:00<eldowan>Supaplex: I'm not familiar with cli zip.
21:00<muhkuh>it's even not working
21:00<eldowan>I'm thinking format to ext3, linkup to my debian at the house, and use samba to go to the xp box? would that work?
21:00<SeveredCross>Sure/
21:01<SeveredCross>Or you could FTP.
21:01<SeveredCross>Though Samba's a little friendlier especially if you're a GNOME user.
21:01<SeveredCross>Actually, no, Nautilus can browse FTP, I forgot.
21:01<muhkuh>need to chatch some sleep i'll ask again tomorrow
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21:01<muhkuh>thx guys
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21:03<eldowan>SeveredCross: Cool. I think I'll try that then.
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21:10<eldowan>SeveredCross: I'll just create a samba share for the external drive, and use windows \\name\share to get the files then.
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21:10<SeveredCross>That works.
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21:22<shane>anyone know of a good web page design program?
21:22<shane>something a novice could use?
21:22<eldowan>shane: kate :D
21:22<shane>lol
21:22<shane>further down the novice scale.
21:22<eldowan>shane: actually, you might try bluefish or quanta
21:22<brmuljo> Viđi vraga su sedam binjišah,
21:22<SeveredCross>The one made by the W3C.
21:22<brmuljo> su dva mača a su dvije krune,
21:23<SeveredCross>I forget what it's called.
21:23<brmuljo> praunuka Turkova s Koranom!
21:23<brmuljo> Za njim jata prokletoga kota,
21:23<brmuljo> da opuste zemlju svukoliku
21:23<brmuljo> ka skakavac što polja opusti!
21:23<brmuljo> Francuskoga da ne bi brijega,
21:23<brmuljo> aravijsko more sve potopi!
21:23<brmuljo> San pakleni okruni Osmana,
21:23<brmuljo> darova mu lunu ka jabuku.
21:23<SeveredCross>WTF spam?
21:23<brmuljo> Zloga gosta Evropi Orkana!
21:23<brmuljo> Vizantija sada nije drugo
21:23<brmuljo> no prćija mlade Teodore;
21:23<brmuljo> zvijezda je crne sudbe nad njom.
21:23<brmuljo> Paleolog poziva Murata
21:23<brmuljo> da zakopa Grke sa Srbima.
21:23<brmuljo> Svoju misli Branković s Gertukom.
21:23<brmuljo> Muhamede, to je za Gertuku!
21:23<eldowan>spam poetry?
21:23<brmuljo> Sjem Azije, đe im je gnjijezdo,
21:23<brmuljo> vražje pleme pozoba narode -
21:23<brmuljo> dan i narod, kako ćuku tica:
21:23<brmuljo> Murat Srpsku, a Bajazit Bosnu,
21:23<brmuljo> Murat Epir, a Muhamed Grčku,
21:23<brmuljo> dva Selima Cipar i Afriku.
21:23<SeveredCross>I understand it, and it's about the Ottoman Turks.
21:23<brmuljo> Svaki nešto, ne ostade ništa;
21:23<brmuljo> strašilo je slušat što se radi!
21:23<brmuljo> Malen svijet za adova žvala,
21:23<brmuljo> ni najest ga, kamoli prejesti!
21:23<imperia>wtffffff
21:23<brmuljo> Janko brani Vladislava mrtva;
21:23<brmuljo> što ga brani, kad ga ne odbrani?
21:23<brmuljo> Skenderbeg je srca Obilića,
21:23<brmuljo> al' umrije tužnim izgnanikom. -
21:23<shane>can I block this guy?
21:23<brmuljo> A ja što ću, ali sa kime ću?
21:23<brmuljo> Malo rukah, malena i snaga,
21:23<brmuljo> jedna slamka među vihorove,
21:23<brmuljo> sirak tužni bez nigđe nikoga...
21:23<brmuljo> Moje pleme snom mrtvijem spava,
21:23<eldowan>!ops brmuljo
21:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eldowan complains about: brmuljo
21:23<brmuljo> suza moja nema roditelja,
21:23<brmuljo> nada mnom je nebo zatvoreno,
21:23<brmuljo> ne prima mi ni plača ni molitve;
21:23<brmuljo> u ad mi se svijet pretvorio,
21:24<brmuljo> a svi ljudi pakleni duhovi.
21:24<brmuljo> Crni dane, a crna sudbino!
21:24<brmuljo> O kukavno Srpstvo ugašeno,
21:24<shane>!ops brmuljo
21:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: shane complains about: brmuljo
21:24<brmuljo> zla nadživjeh tvoja svakolika,
21:24<SeveredCross>I can't really tell the language, it's Serbian or Croat with some odd words I don't understand.
21:24<brmuljo> a s najgorim hoću da se borim!
21:24<brmuljo> Da, kad glavu razdrobiš tijelu,
21:24<brmuljo> u mučenju izdišu členovi...
21:24<brmuljo> Kugo ljudska, da te Bog ubije!
21:24<brmuljo> Ali ti je malo po svijeta
21:24<brmuljo> te si svojom zlošću otrovala,
21:24<brmuljo> no si otrov adske svoje duše
21:24<brmuljo> i na ovaj kamen izbljuvala?
21:24<eldowan>shane: try /ignore, or something similar
21:24<brmuljo> Mala ti je žertva sva Srbija
21:24<brmuljo> od Dunava do mora sinjega?
21:24<brmuljo> Na tron sjediš nepravo uzeti,
21:24<brmuljo> ponosiš se skiptrom krvavijem;
21:24<eldowan>!op
21:24<brmuljo> huliš Boga s svetoga oltara,
21:24<brmuljo> munar dubi na krst razdrobljeni!
21:24<brmuljo> Ali sjenku što mu šće trovati
21:24<brmuljo> te je u zbjeg sobom uniješe
21:24<brmuljo> među gore za vječnu utjehu
21:24<brmuljo> i za spomen roda junačkoga?
21:24<brmuljo> Već je u krv ona prekupata
21:24<shane>nope
21:24<brmuljo> stoput tvoju, a stotinu našu!
21:24<brmuljo> Viđi posla cara opakoga,
21:24<brmuljo> koga đavo o svačemu uči:
21:24<brmuljo> "Crnu Goru pokorit ne mogu
21:24<brmuljo> ma nikako da je sasvim moja;
21:24<brmuljo> s njima treba ovako raditi..."
21:24<brmuljo> Pa im poče demonski mesija
21:24<brmuljo> lažne vjere pružat poslastice.
21:24<brmuljo> Bog vas kleo, pogani izrodi,
21:24<brmuljo> što će turska vjera među nama?
21:24<brmuljo> Kuda ćete s kletvom prađedovskom?
21:24<brmuljo> Su čim ćete izać pred Miloša
21:24<brmuljo> i pred druge srpske vitezove,
21:24<brmuljo> koji žive doklen sunca grije? -
21:24<brmuljo> Kad današnju premislim vijeću,
21:24<brmuljo> raspale me užasa plamovi:
21:25<brmuljo> isklati se braća među sobom,
21:25<brmuljo> a krvnici, jaki i opaki -
21:25<brmuljo> zatrijeće sjeme u odivu.
21:25<brmuljo> Grdni dane, da te Bog ubije,
21:25<brmuljo> koji si me dao na svijetu!
21:25<brmuljo> Čas proklinjem lanski po sto putah
21:25<brmuljo> u koji me Turci ne smakoše,
21:25<brmuljo> da ne varam narodnje nadanje.
21:25<brmuljo> Vuk Mićunović leži blizu vladike; pritajio se kao da spava, ali sve čuje divno.
21:25<brmuljo>Vuk Mićunović
21:25<brmuljo> Ne, vladiko, ako Boga znadeš!
21:25<brmuljo> Kakva te je spopala nesreća
21:25<brmuljo> teno kukaš kao kukavica
21:25<brmuljo> i topiš se u srpske nesreće?
21:25<brmuljo> Da li ovo svetkovanje nije
21:25<brmuljo> na komu si sabra Crnogorce
21:25<brmuljo> da čistimo zemlju od nekrsti?
21:25<brmuljo> I bez toga ovo nam je slava,
21:25<brmuljo> na koju se vrsni momci kupe
21:25-!-mirshafie_ [~mirshafie@84-217-23-96.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
21:25<brmuljo> sposobnosti svoje da kušaju,
21:25<brmuljo> silu mišce i brzinu nogah;
21:25<brmuljo> strijeljanjem da se nadmašaju
21:25<imperia>can't you use #flood?
21:25<brmuljo> i sječenjem u opkladu plećah;
21:25<brmuljo> da slušaju božju leturđiju
21:25<brmuljo> i da vode kolo oko crkve -
21:25<brmuljo> da viteštvom prsa nabrecaju.
21:25<brmuljo> To je tamjan sveti junacima,
21:25<shane>#flood
21:25<brmuljo> to gvozdeni srca u momcima!
21:25<brmuljo> Turi takve razgovore crne!
21:25<brmuljo> Ljudi trpe, a žene nariču;
21:25<brmuljo> nema posla u plaha glavara!
21:25<brmuljo> Ti nijesi samorana glava:
21:25<brmuljo> vidiš ove pet stotin momčadi,
21:25<SeveredCross>shane: I think it's one LONG paste.
21:25<brmuljo> koje čudo snage i lakoće
21:25<brmuljo> u njih danas ovđe vidijesmo?
21:25<brmuljo> Viđaše li kako strijeljaju,
21:25<brmuljo> ka se grada vješto izigraše,
21:25<SeveredCross>He's not pasting line by line...
21:25<brmuljo> kako hitro grabljahu kapice?
21:25<brmuljo> Tek što vučad za majkom pomile,
21:25<brmuljo> igrajuć se strašne zube svoje
21:26<imperia>this sucks
21:26<brmuljo> već umiju pod grlom ostriti;
21:26<brmuljo> tek sokolu prvo perje nikne,
21:26<brmuljo> on ne može više mirovati,
21:26<shane>yeah, it's line by line
21:26<brmuljo> nego svoje razmeće gnijezdo,
21:26<brmuljo> grabeć slamku jednu i po jednu
21:26<brmuljo> s njom put neba bježi cijučući.
21:26<brmuljo> Sve je ovo nekakva nauka!
21:26<SeveredCross>He doesn't respond to CTCP VERSION either.
21:26<brmuljo> Bez momčadi ove te su ovđe
21:26<brmuljo> šest putah je jošt ovliko doma;
21:26<brmuljo> njina sila, to je tvoja sila.
21:26<brmuljo> Dokle Turci sve njih savladaju
21:26<brmuljo> mnoge će se bule ocrniti;
21:26<brmuljo> borbi našoj kraja biti neće
21:26<SeveredCross>If it was an old mIRC, we could exploit him out of existence.
21:26<brmuljo> do istrage turske ali naše...
21:26<brmuljo> Nada nema pravo ni u koga
21:26<brmuljo> do u Boga i u svoje ruke;
21:26<SeveredCross>Quick, everyone ping him maybe we can flood him out.
21:26<brmuljo> nadanje se naše zakopalo
21:26<brmuljo> na Kosovo u jednu grobnicu.
21:26<brmuljo> U dobru je lako dobro biti,
21:26<brmuljo> na muci se poznaju junaci!
21:26<brmuljo> Iznijeli su krste s Lovćena navrh Crkvine, pa su po vrhu sjeli, gađaju puškama i broje kolika puta koja odjekne.
21:26<imperia>Hvala
21:26<brmuljo>Serdar Janko Đurašković
21:26<brmuljo> Čudne puške, valja mušku glavu!
21:26<brmuljo> Svaka naša šest putah odjekne,
21:26<brmuljo> a džeferdar Tomanović-Vuka
21:26<brmuljo> devet putah jednako se čuje.
21:26<SeveredCross>Or we can pingflood him out.
21:26<brmuljo>Serdar Radonja
21:26<brmuljo> Vidite li čudo, Crnogorci!
21:26<brmuljo> Prisuka sam pedeset godinah,
21:26<brmuljo> na Lovćen sam vazda ljetovao,
21:26<brmuljo> izlazio na ovu vršinu:
21:26<brmuljo> sto putah sam gledao oblake
21:26<brmuljo> đe iz mora dođu na gomile
21:26<brmuljo> i prekrile svu ovu planinu,
21:27<brmuljo> otisni se tamo ali tamo
21:27<eldowan>!ops spam
21:27<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eldowan complains about: spam
21:27<brmuljo> s sijevanjem i s velikom jekom
21:27<brmuljo> i s lomljavom strašnijeh gromovah;
21:27-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
21:27<brmuljo> sto putah sam ovđena sjedio
21:27-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@12-202-130-228.client.mchsi.com] by dondelelcaro
21:27-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
21:27<shane>thank you
21:27<SeveredCross>Thank you.
21:27<imperia>god bless you
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21:27<shane>well, that's the first time I've seen that
21:28<eldowan>dondelelcaro: Thanks a million
21:28<shane>Think I'll check out bluefish
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21:28<eldowan>shane: I had issues with bluefish a while ago, and used quanta. Of course I am mostly doing php, so that may have had something to do with it.
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21:29<shane>This is just to upload to googlepages so all she needs is html
21:29<shane>but she doesn't know html so she needs something with an interface
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21:31<cyt>Hi there, does anyone have the experience on driving the "LSI 1068 PCI-X SAS controller" for H/W RAID?
21:32<shane>this new internet connection is sexy
21:32<shane>Here's a question. I just setup a wireless card in my debian box, but there's a real bad response time on it
21:32<shivraj>anyone know how to add more fonts to rxvt ?
21:33<shane>I get great download speeds, but it takes maybe 10-20 seconds to find a website
21:33<shivraj>or install extra fonts .... does it use 100dpi fonts by default in Xorg ?
21:33<shane>feels like a dns issue
21:34<shane>maybe related to ndiswrapper?
21:35<dondelelcaro>eldowan: np; wasn't paying much attention there
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21:37<eldowan>dondelelcaro: can't expect you to be watching for an epic poem *all* the time. no worries
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21:41<shane>Bluefish looks cool for myself, I'll have to play around with it, but it's not what I need for here
21:41<shane>her
21:41<shane>can openoffice export to html?
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21:57<shane>Ok, I think openoffice will do what she needs thanks for the tip about bluefish though.
22:00<SeveredCross>Can anyone point me toward replicating the colors I see in the DebianRed theme?
22:00<SeveredCross>I'd like to keep the nice widgets from Clearlooks or Glossy, but make the colors same as DebianRed.
22:00<SeveredCross>And I can't for the life of me remember where themes are kept.
22:01<Supaplex>the internetz
22:01*Supaplex hides
22:01<SeveredCross>I was hoping someone could tell me where to find the themes, but maybe I'll just look around on gnome-look and hope they have someone who replicated the theme for Gtk2. :-P
22:02<Supaplex>i'm uber busy cleaning up my pad.
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22:05<shivraj>I did apt-get remove mozilla it only removed 86kb ??
22:05<shivraj>how do I purge ?
22:06<kmap>shivraj: mozilla is a blank package. Check what it depends on and remove that
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22:06<shivraj>I still have iceweasel installed
22:06<kmap>shivraj: Hold on.
22:07<shivraj>but it didnt remove /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
22:07<Supaplex>shivraj: dpkg -S /usr/lib/mozilla
22:07<kmap>shivraj: iceape is the real mozilla
22:07<imperia>iceweasel is mozilla
22:08<Supaplex>!iceweasel
22:08<dpkg>rumour has it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
22:08<codehexa>apt-get install firebox
22:08<codehexa>you will use it.
22:09<Supaplex>firebox?
22:09<codehexa>yeah
22:09<imperia>:)
22:09<rapiddemon>Hey does anyone here use a dark theme?
22:09<Supaplex>!info firebox etch
22:09<Supaplex>!+info firebox etch
22:09<dpkg>Package 'firebox' does not exist.
22:10<rapiddemon>I have a question about dark themes with programs such as eclipse
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22:10<codehexa>firefox. ^^ i made a mistake.
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22:10<Supaplex>firefox is a transitional package to iceweasel. that's why I asked anyway.
22:11<imperia>!info scummvm
22:11<Supaplex>!+info firefox etch
22:11<dpkg>scummvm: (free implementation of LucasArts' SCUMM interpreter), section games, is optional. Version: 0.10.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2011 kB, Installed size: 6204 kB
22:11<dpkg>firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.10-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 108 kB
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22:15<twb>Which channel do the insserv people hide in?
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22:15<twb>Ah, pkg-sysvinit
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22:46<jamesd>hey, whose bright idea was it to make powersaved depend on kde?
22:46<SeveredCross>WTF?
22:46<SeveredCross>It also depends on kpowersave.
22:47-!-kanru [~kanru@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::69ab] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:47<SeveredCross>That makes NO sense.
22:47<jamesd>it's broken in unstable and testing
22:47<jamesd>also on grub
22:47<jamesd>and i use lilo
22:47<jamesd>wtf
22:48<jamesd>i went and hosed up my acpi config, and tried to reinstall. now i'm hosed
22:48<jamesd>completely
22:49<jamesd>all i wanted to do was suspend to ram instead of disk
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22:49<SeveredCross>For me, suspend to RAM worked OOTB
22:49-!-muammar [~muammar@190.77.174.22] has joined #debian
22:49<SeveredCross>However, suspend to disk is busted.
22:50*jello doen't have problems with suspend...
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22:50<jamesd>god dammit. even stable wants to install kde-base
22:51<SeveredCross>When I try to suspend to disk (hibernate), Debian suspends to the disk just fine.
22:51<SeveredCross>But then when I try to resume from disk, nothing happens.
22:51<SeveredCross>I tried passing resume=/dev/sda5 (my swap partition) as a parameter to the kernel, nothing
22:51<SeveredCross>It says it's not a valid resume image.
22:51<jamesd>hmm, i remember running into that issue some time ago
22:52<SeveredCross>I'm running unstable with a kernel from the kernel testing repository though, so I'm not too worried about it.
22:52<SeveredCross>If you know a fix, I'd be glad to try it, but I'm not too worried.
22:52<jamesd>i added resume=/dev/hda7 to lilo.conf
22:52<jamesd>as an append
22:52<SeveredCross>Hmm. I tried that, and it didn't work. I'll try again.
22:52<jamesd>which is swap
22:53<mzhang>dli, there?
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22:55<jello>SeveredCross: custom kernel or debian-packaged?
22:55<SeveredCross>Debian packaged.
22:55<SeveredCross>I'm using the Debian testing kernel repository.
22:56<SeveredCross>Er, the kernel testing repository.
22:56<SeveredCross># Debian Kernel repository--latest and greatest Debian kernels.
22:56<SeveredCross>deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main
22:56<jello>hrm, not familiar with that...
22:56*jello looks...
22:56<gsimmons>jamesd: 'powersaved' doesn't depend on KDE, but it does state 'kpowersave' as a recommendation.
22:56<SeveredCross>Latest is 2.6.24-rc7
22:57<jamesd>how odd, that's what i'm seeing
22:57<SeveredCross>I'm experiencing the same issue where it installs kpowersave anyway.
22:57<jamesd>why is it forcing me to install kpowersave, then?
22:57<SeveredCross>He's right though, it's a recommends.
22:57<jello>recommends are installed by default now, unless you specifically ask not to
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22:57<SeveredCross>Ah.
22:58<SeveredCross>WTF
22:58<jamesd>so how do i ask it not to install kde?
22:58<gsimmons>jamesd: You're probably using a package manager that treats recommends as dependencies. For aptitude, you can use `-R' to disable this behaviour.
22:58<jello>how are you installing?
22:58<SeveredCross>I just did aptitude --without-recommends and it installed it anyway.
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22:58<SeveredCross>I could've sworn that worked before.
22:59<jamesd>i'm using apt-get
22:59<jamesd>box doesn't have X
22:59<jello>SeveredCross: aptitude why kde
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23:00<jello>jamesd: apt -o Install-Recommends=false install ...
23:00<jello>apt-get, that is
23:01<jamesd>how do i make that the default?
23:01<jello>jamesd: /etc/apt/apt.conf
23:01<jello>actually that should be APT::Install-Recommends=false
23:02<jello>jamesd: just do "echo 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf"
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23:03<jamesd>got it, thanks!
23:03<jamesd>what incredibly stupid behavior
23:03<edwardxp>dopes anyone know a motherboard that supports 8x sata"?
23:03<edwardxp>integrated
23:04<jello>jamesd: dunno if it's stupid... but it's configurable :)
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23:05<SeveredCross>Bah. Why did my iPod not synch 30 songs.
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23:06<eldowan>edwardxp: you are asking for the model of a mobo with x sata ports on the board?
23:06<SeveredCross>Everything's set up correctly to convert FLAC and OGG to MP3.
23:06<edwardxp>no
23:06<edwardxp>a good motherboard like asus abit, gigabit..
23:06<edwardxp>im looking for a 8xsata, and SLI on board compitibility
23:07<jello>no idea
23:07<eldowan>edwardxp: what is 'a 8xsata' ?
23:07<edwardxp>8 on board sata controllers' instead of ide
23:08<edwardxp>im on pricewatch.com and i can't find anything
23:08<jamesd>ok, another reboot.
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23:08<eldowan>edwardxp: why 8 controllers? why won't ports do?
23:09<jello>eldowan: that's why motherboards have expansion slots...
23:09<edwardxp>the new era' of 2007 and 2008 are creeping up on me, and im not aware of the new technology.. all this crap about dual-using two video cards
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23:09<edwardxp>and 8 sata controllers' for all sata devices including dvd-roms, and blu-ray hd-dvd roms,
23:10<edwardxp>i have to be prepared and look around im currently mounting over from ide to sata :)
23:10<eldowan>edwardxp: why do you need 8 controllers? what about 4 controllers and 8 ports?
23:10<edwardxp>transfer rate
23:10<edwardxp>sata's faster at transfer rate
23:11<eldowan>edwardxp: I still haven't heard of *any* physical device being able to saturate sata yet. I don't think you have to worry about that
23:11<edwardxp>firmware 2.0 4.0 usb 2.0 and future usb 3.0; a lot of changes are starting to happen :)
23:11<edwardxp>i just want to make sure im on top of things my friends got me mad them and there windows' world upset me couple days ago
23:12<edwardxp>there' talking about wireless N and all this crap... hurt my feelings
23:13<edwardxp>gigabit lans, 10/100/1000 :O
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23:14<eldowan>edwardxp: go to newegg. go to power search. scroll down to sata and check both 8 and 9. There are 28 boards with at least 8 sata 3gb/s
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23:14<edwardxp>:) thanks
23:16<CompWizdr>make sure the controller is supported though.. i have a board with 8 sata ports on it, and 4 of them are on a marvell controller not currently supported in linux
23:16<edwardxp>:o
23:17<CompWizdr>marvell 6141 IIRC.. been a few months since i looked to see if it's now supported
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23:19<edwardxp>what are dual Rj -45's ?
23:19<CompWizdr>ethernet controllers, usually
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23:20<edwardxp>does that expand the highspeed network
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23:21<edwardxp>like make it faster
23:22<CompWizdr>two connections.. handy for a router, or bridge, or network redundency.. or in some cases, linking them together to get double the speed, sure
23:23<SeveredCross>Yeah, but that requires two connections.
23:23<SeveredCross>It's doable though.
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23:23<SeveredCross>But you'd have to buy two connections for your home.
23:23<edwardxp>?
23:23<edwardxp>so i can merge an existanting connection?
23:23<SeveredCross>edwardxp: Let's say you have to RJ45 ports.
23:23<SeveredCross>That means you can use two network connectinos.
23:23<edwardxp>ok
23:23<SeveredCross>THEORETICALLY, it's possible to merge two connections into 1 faster one.
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23:24<SeveredCross>But, that requires that you actually buy a second connection.
23:24<edwardxp>i have 2 connections
23:24<SeveredCross>So, if you already have a cable connection, it'd require you to buy DSL too
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23:24<edwardxp>i have two cable modems :) lets jsut say i can make that happen?
23:24<SeveredCross>Won't work.
23:24<SeveredCross>Your cable trunk line is only so big.
23:24<SeveredCross>Actually...it might.
23:25<SeveredCross>But it might not get you anywhere.
23:25<SeveredCross>Google it, there are guides on combining ethernet connections.
23:25<Supaplex>it's no where near easy
23:25<SeveredCross>Yeah.
23:25<edwardxp>crap
23:25<Supaplex>thank $diety for BGP baby.
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23:26<edwardxp>all i want is something simple for my new upgrade
23:26<SeveredCross>http://kakku.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/combine-two-connections-for-a-single-torrent-download-routing-through-multiple-uplinks/
23:26<SeveredCross>s/diety/deity :-)
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23:28<Supaplex>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJVOUgCm5Jk
23:28<edwardxp>i wonder how much bandwidth cable modem can distribute per house hold?
23:29<edwardxp>like what if there 8 houses on the block and were all 2.0mb downloads running constant
23:29<Supaplex>what is space aliens are sucking your pipes clean
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23:29<Supaplex>well, what if huh?
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23:33<K|NgGh0sT>When trying to ssh into my debian server it takes a long time for the password prompt to come up. Any reason, if so... is there a fix?
23:34<Supaplex>don't log out? hehehe. ssh -vv might give you some hints.
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23:36<K|NgGh0sT>well, I ssh in from remote locations for not logging out doesn't help ;)
23:36<K|NgGh0sT>Actually I can't even ftp in right now for some odd reason
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23:37<K|NgGh0sT>it connects just times out before finishing
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23:44<marx2k>Got a question. I am behind a router that does DHCP address assignments to all the boxes connected to it. However, all the boxes have the same external IP. But I want to set up a web server on one of the boxes. How do I set the router to router port 80 requests to a certain box?
23:44<marx2k>Got a question. I am behind a router that does DHCP address assignments to all the boxes connected to it. However, all the boxes have the same external IP. But I want to set up a web server on one of the boxes. How do I set the router to router port 80 requests to a certain box?
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23:46<edwardxp>port 81
23:46<jagerman>marx2k: Depends entirely on the router. If it has some web interface it'll usually let you set that sort of thing up
23:46<edwardxp>82 83 84 for every computer add a number
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23:47<edwardxp>and allow it too your firewall "computer_name" port 81 www port 82 www port 83 www ... and
23:47<edwardxp>was that something you wanted to know?
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23:48<edwardxp>www.earth1.org :) <--- my website i've created learning with linux ...
23:48<marx2k_>I think my router rebooted while you were giving me an explanation
23:49<edwardxp><-- im a noob
23:49<marx2k_>Hm my router doesnt seem to be forwarding port 80 reqeusts to the one box. I think I missed your answer how to set it
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23:50<edwardxp>what do you guys think of my web url;
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23:52<marx2k_>so can you repeat your idea on how I would get my router to point to the one box when go to my router's IP for port 80
23:52<edwardxp>comp1 comp2 comp 3 comp 4
23:52<edwardxp>comp1 www port 80 .. <-- must be configured
23:53<edwardxp>comp2 www port 81 <-- must be configured
23:53<edwardxp>configured = firewall or something to do with the router
23:53<marx2k_>yeah I got that set up
23:53<marx2k_>but when I go to my IP, it just goes to my router and not the box
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23:53<edwardxp>1 http://192.168.1.100 2 http://192.168.1.101 3http://192.168.1.103
23:54<edwardxp>hmm
23:54<edwardxp>well in times like this :)
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23:55<edwardxp>you seem to know what you're doing... ( pull the pluig reset everything )
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23:55<edwardxp>disconnect and reconnect all devices, and power back on again
23:55<marx2k_>basically I set up the router as translating WAN side port 80 requests to the inividual box's port 80
23:55<edwardxp>don't float on your conflicts and still make things work
23:56<edwardxp><-- i don't know :( im a newbie
23:56<marx2k_>Hm. I know its probably a setting somewhere on the router
23:56<marx2k_>but damned if I can figure out which one
23:57<edwardxp>:) im telling you reset everything your probably right in what' your doing
23:57<edwardxp>turn off the light and go back on again, and eat a cookie... It Works!
23:58<marx2k_>hahaha
23:58<edwardxp>hehe
23:58<marx2k_>well the router does reboot whenever I make a change so.l..
23:58<edwardxp>oh yah
23:58<edwardxp>check out my website i've been working on though, www.earth1.org
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