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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-20

---Logopened Sun Jan 20 00:00:14 2008
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00:05<redflag>wahey, reported
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00:06<acutedeath>i've decided to leave the my netgear card in the windows computer where it should be, and buy a new card in the morning. It seems a little bit funny to buy something for a PCI standard though, if I can even find one
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00:10<Tarcas>Try finding one for an ISA standard. :-P
00:10<gsimmons>acutedeath: They exist. A device containing a Ralink or Atheros chipset is generally well-supported.
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00:12<acutedeath>cool. In other news, I booted, and left the room for about 20 min, now my monitor shows nothing and I can't wake it. It should have a login screen, but nothing. Hard reset seems like my only option. what gives?
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00:14<kop>acutedeath : Screensaver?
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00:15<acutedeath>nope
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00:16<acutedeath>And now it's completely fried, no BIOS, nothing!
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00:17<acutedeath>Blank screen only. I had a flashing cursor in the upper left, but that was all. Another hard reset later, monitor stays yellow-light(no signal)
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00:20<acutedeath>fucking thing blew up
00:20<neo_>Is that card still in the system?
00:21<acutedeath>no, it's back in the box I'm using. Im using it to send this message
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00:21<kop>acutedeath : Been careful to blow out all the dust bunnies?
00:21<neo_>Stupid question: You had the power cord disconnect when you put the card in and took it out?
00:21<acutedeath>yes
00:21<acutedeath>yes
00:22<neo_>Video Card or Onboard?
00:22<acutedeath>wiggled all the wires and got it back for a moment,
00:22<acutedeath>but then it went haywire onscreen
00:22<acutedeath>yeah, built-in video
00:22<neo_>What brand computer?
00:22<kop>acutedeath : What sort of wires? (I've had luck cleaning things like pci contacts with a soft eraser.)
00:23<acutedeath>another hard reset later and I got it booted again.
00:23<neo_>Is it running now?
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00:23<kop>acutedeath : memtest86+, leave it running overnight to test the ram and some cpu.
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00:55<bernardo>why is a lot of packages marked in apt as packages that can be removed with apt-get autoremove??
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00:56<bernardo>???
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00:57<kop>bernardo : I don't see an autoremove in my "man apt-get". What release are you running?
00:57<bernardo>kop: of apt?
00:58<kop>bernardo : Of debian.
00:58<bernardo>kop: lenny
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00:59<bernardo>kop: and you??
00:59<kop>bernardo : That'd explain it then. Dunno. I hear that aptitude auto-stuff is now in apt-get in lenny. It would mean that the packages have no dependences on anything that you'd explicitly asked to install. They are all packages installed to support something you've since removed.
00:59<kop>bernardo : etch, stable.
00:59<bernardo>kop: oh....i see
01:00<bernardo>kop: thanks a lot for the tip
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01:00<kop>bernardo : It's a guess.
01:00<bernardo>kop: so i guess i csn safely remove that stuff right?
01:01<kop>bernardo : I'd think it'd remove them for you if you did an "upgrade" or maybe "dist-upgrade". You could run deborphan and see what is says and compare to be safe.
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01:01<bernardo>kop: what is deborphan??
01:02<kop>bernardo : I transitioned from apt-get to aptitude and did a bunch of "unmarkauto" to tell it the things I want explicitly.
01:02<bernardo>kop: oh...
01:02<kop>bernardo : A package. It says what packages you've got that nothing depends on. So, either you asked for them and want them or they're leftover from uninstalling something else that needed them.
01:03<bernardo>kop: hold a minute
01:03<bernardo>kop: check that out http://rafb.net/p/C0XtmO64.html
01:04<bernardo>kop: it wants to remove pretty major stuff.....
01:06<bernardo>kop: you see?
01:06<kop>bernardo : Well, if you don't use them then they can go away. They'll come back if you install something that needs them. Of course you are running lenny, so things can be broken....
01:07<bernardo>kop: but like wpasupplicant (that is on the list), I'm using it for my wireless connection!
01:07<kop>bernardo : You could ask again later and get a second opinion.
01:07<kop>bernardo : Then tell apt that you want to mark it "not automatically installed".
01:07<bernardo>kop: do you know how?
01:08<kop>bernardo : aptitude unmarkauto wpasupplicant But, some stuff gets replaced by new stuff. Maybe it's a virtual package no longer needed. (I've no clue, just saying.)
01:08<kop>!aptitude
01:08<dpkg>it has been said that aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t
01:09<bernardo>kop: ok...thanks, i will look up for something on the net, gotta go, bye
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01:17<kcynice>i want to know,if iocharset option is only valid for ms fs in mount command or not?
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01:19<kop>kcynice : man mount is the place to look, I think.
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01:20<DaCapn>so, on my dual-head setup, it looks like I can only get one of the heads to show up, except when they have both been off for a long period of time, then when I switch to one of the CLIs (ctrl+alt+f{1,2,3,4,5,6}) and back then the head goes blank again, anyone ahve any clue what that could be about?
01:21<kcynice>kop: i use the same command to mount a vfat partion and a ntfs partion.but the ntfs partion only can access in terminal.why and how to fix?
01:22<DaCapn>this even happens when the displays are set to be clones of one another, it's not just that my twinview settings are bad. And it looks all proper when they do work after being off for a long period of time
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01:22<kop>kcynice : (Better off asking everybody, not just me.) It's a permisson problem, is my guess. As root in a terminal you have permission but your user does not have permission. _maybe_ there's a mount option, but my guess is that you need to add your regular user to some group or another. I dunno. I know little about ntfs.
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01:23<kcynice>ok
01:23<kop>DaCapn : Could, possibly, be a hardware problem. Heat related.
01:25<DaCapn>it is not a heat related issue. Neither the monitors nor the cables have problems. I'm trying to figure out if it's a problem with the card though. It didn't used to have this problem until after I tripped a breaker
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01:26<DaCapn>though I don't see why that would damage the video card, since I am using a surge protector and the video card is hooked up to a power supply (which presumably has similar protection) to that surge protector
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01:27<kop>DaCapn : If you suspect hardware blow it down throughly with a can of air. Also, if you power supply is wonky that can affect all sorts of stuff.
01:28<Supaplex>!blame AT&T
01:28*dpkg blames JohnDoh and AT&T for the end of culture as we know it
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01:29<DaCapn>I have a great thermaltake power supply, card is like a week old, I used compressed air when I installed it
01:29<Supaplex>then it must be low on C8H10N4O2
01:30<DaCapn>cute
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02:10<_dac_>can anyone tell me where to purchase fountain pen ink?
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02:10<Supaplex>teh office store?
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02:11<Supaplex>or china, and grab an inkstone while you're at it.
02:11<hax>does anyone understand how "disown" in bash is supposed to work?
02:11<_dac_>office depot and office max don't carry...
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02:12<Supaplex>_dac_: overstock might have it. I found ink for my stamp numbering machine at o
02:12<_dac_>okay, thank you
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02:59<imperia>is "echo apm > /etc/modules" the correct way of autoloading apm support? i can't understand how to do it via modconf
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03:00<fxiny>imperia: append >>
03:00<imperia>ah ye! append instead overwrite
03:01<imperia>but is this the correct way of doing it. /etc/modules, modconf or putting modprobe apm in rc.local?
03:02<fxiny>the correct one is /etc/modules
03:02<imperia>ok thanks... i guess its the same for my sound card
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03:03<fxiny>imperia: why ? did you run alsaconf ?
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03:05<imperia>i disabled pnpbios thru kernel option because else my floppy does not work.... then i did alsaconf again because the card is no more PNP... it was detected correctly but does not autoload when booting linux.
03:06<fxiny>whhat card is that ?
03:06<wto>what do you mean?
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03:06<fxiny>brand
03:07<imperia>its old one.. ess 1866 snd-es18xx
03:08<fxiny>i have an old opl and pnp bios . old card are supported
03:09<fxiny>i get some log errors but it works just fine
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03:12<imperia>if i use pnpbios it works fine... but my floppy is not detected correctly.... with pnpbios=off it still works but not in pnp mode.. but i have to load it with modprobe snd-es18xx every time ... because it does not autoinit
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03:13<fxiny>you can add it to /etc/modules then
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03:13<fxiny>i use to do this back to woody (kernel)
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03:20<imperia>ok i will do that.
03:20<imperia>for old pc what would you suggest xfce4 or icewm?
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03:20<muhkuh>hi there i run a game with wine and my mouse is fixed in the middle of my screen
03:21<fxiny>imperia: i use fluxbox . icewm is lighter then xfce4
03:21<muhkuh>any idea?
03:21<fxiny>game crashed ?
03:21<muhkuh>no
03:21<imperia>•fxiny• fluxbox what is it?
03:21<muhkuh>guess it would work
03:21<muhkuh>if i just could controll my bad mouse
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03:22<muhkuh>^^
03:22<fxiny>imperia: an execellent wm . no icons . need some reading to set it up . how much ram do you have ?
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03:22<imperia>64 :)
03:22<Xpp>hi all
03:22<imperia>running gnome atm :P
03:22<fxiny>imperia: i can run kde or gnome too but they slow down my box too much
03:22<neo_>Ok I got a problem... My fault.. but I cant get it undone... Some d00d I know went and decided to use Synaptic to install a bunch of mods for Webmin and Usermin on my system and now I cant get nothing else to install because this crap is hanging and getting errors. My first step to fix it was to block his IP and Change the Password... Now how do I get this stuff out of the 'que'?
03:23<fxiny>imperia: fluxbox + mrxvt
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03:23<fxiny>imperia: is worth looking into it
03:23<imperia>•fxiny• yes with gnome its too much hard disk activity :)
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03:28<neo_>No One
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03:32<fxiny>neo_: i'd check /var/cache/apt/archives for downloaded packages . remove what you don't want . f* synaptic and use aptitude next
03:33<neo_>I use apt all the time
03:33<fxiny>neo_: check : apt-cache show deborphan when in doubt
03:34<neo_>I dont know why he was messing with my system like that anyway
03:34<fxiny>neo_: you should have backups
03:34<fxiny>neo_: and a decent ids runnig so as to know what's changed
03:35<neo_>Yea, I just got it up lastnight
03:36<neo_>So I havent been able to get that far yet.. although it should have been the first thing I done
03:37<muhkuh> i have wine version 0.9.25-2.1 my mouse doesn't want to move away frome the center while running a game.... how can i solve that problem
03:37<devil>neo_: using apt should give you an exact error
03:37<fxiny>muhkuh: which game ?
03:38<muhkuh>crazy machines2
03:39<muhkuh>sounds and looks like it would really run =) but that mouse stops my fun
03:39<muhkuh>can't do nothing ingame
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03:41<muhkuh>only pushing the mouse fast to get to the workspace switch is possible
03:41<muhkuh>on another worspace the mouse works as usual
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03:43<muhkuh>but if i switch back it get'S challenging again : D
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03:44<neo_>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) - Im getting Errors were encountered while processing: webmin-* (many mods)
03:45<neo_>Along with many other mods giving this.. Setting up webmin-inetd (1.180-4) ...
03:45<neo_>/var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-inetd.postinst: line 4: /usr/sbin/update-webmin: No such file or directory
03:45<neo_>dpkg: error processing webmin-inetd (--configure):
03:45<neo_> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
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03:45<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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03:45<neo_>Dang, sorry
03:45<devil>neo_: right, need the whole thing
03:45<devil>neo_: in a pastebin
03:46<neo_>Aight
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03:47<neo_>http://pastebin.com/m6475baf8
03:48<devil>neo_: nice one ;)
03:48<fxiny>try dpkg --configure -a
03:49<blarson>neo_: webmin isn't in debian. It was unmaintailable trash.
03:49<blarson>!tell neo_ about webmin
03:50<fxiny>ohhh YES ! the crappy webmin
03:50<neo_>LoL
03:50<neo_>!webmin
03:50<dpkg>somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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03:52<devil>neo_: and tell your friend to wise up before he does stuff on others boxes
03:52<neo_>Oh if I was closer to Canada, Id kill him
03:52<neo_>Literally
03:52<gsimmons>Not to mention, installing oldstable packages on stable.
03:54<imperia>•fxiny• do i need eterm with fluxbox and what other packages do i need?
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03:55<fxiny>imperia: just aptitude install fluxbox , if you want a multitabbed terminal i suggest mrxvt
03:56<imperia>i installed them both.. but i wonder if i need eterm and maybe fluxconf
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03:57<fxiny>you don't need eterm . just some reading about settting up flux so you can personalize it if you want
03:58<neo_>Ok, so besides all that, how do you get the queue cleared?
03:58<fxiny>imperia: start with : man fluxbox
03:59<imperia>•fxiny• and how do i make it default instead gnome?
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03:59<fxiny>imperia: any new entry in gdm ?
04:00<imperia>ok thanks
04:00<devil>neo_: try what fxiny suggested
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04:02<fxiny>imperia: np
04:03<fxiny>neo_: yes . i think devil referes to : fxiny> try dpkg --configure -a
04:04<devil>yep
04:04<neo_>Same errors
04:05<devil>neo_: well, try dpkg --purge webmin-apache
04:06<neo_>no such file or dir. error processing.
04:06<devil>neo_: thought so
04:06<imperia>•fxiny• looks like i have removed gdm somehow.
04:06<devil>neo_: either webmin is not installed or due to its extreme cappiness not installed where dpkg would expect it
04:07<devil>*crappiness
04:07<neo_>dpkg --purge webmin works
04:07<devil>neo_: heh, strange enough
04:08<neo_>Ok
04:08<neo_>E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages is what Im getting now
04:08<devil>neo_: do it
04:09<fxiny>imperia: what's in your ~/.xsession ?
04:09<neo_>Now it is downloading and installing again
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04:11<neo_>dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of webmin:
04:11<devil>neo_: its a vicious trap ;)
04:11<fxiny>imperia: the easiest way to switch from gnome/kde/fluxbox is by using gdm/kdm . playing with echo 'exec startwhatever' >> ~/.xsession ; startx could be annoing in a multi wm box
04:11<neo_>And there is about 25 dependants
04:12<neo_>ROFL devil you think so?
04:12<imperia>•fxiny• don't have such file
04:13<imperia>•fxiny• should i do apt-get install gdm?
04:13<devil>neo_: well, from what i see you will have to dig deeper intpo dpkg manualy which is not a good idea at all
04:13<fxiny>imperia: how do you log into gnome ? what is in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
04:13<imperia>•fxiny• startx
04:14<devil>neo_: maybe --force would help, but i cant recommend that either
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04:14<imperia>•fxiny• /usr/bin/gdm
04:15<imperia>debian:/etc/rc2.d# ls -al /usr/bin/gdm
04:15<imperia>ls: /usr/bin/gdm: No such file or directory
04:15<fxiny>imperia: so gdm was installed , you just removed it ?
04:15<fxiny>!xsession
04:15<dpkg>it has been said that xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
04:16<imperia>•fxiny• not now.. but i guess i have removed it somehow.. maybe apt did that
04:16<fxiny>imperia: probably you never instaled it
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04:17<imperia>•fxiny• maybe but gnome was autostarting so i moved /etc/rc2.d/S21gdm to different directory to prevent going into X.. ( i wanted just console)
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04:18<fxiny>imperia: man update-rc.d
04:18<neo_>Ok you got to apt-get --remove (package-name)
04:18<neo_>1 by 1 unless there is another way to do it
04:19<devil>neo_: dont know if that works, because the stuff is not really installed
04:20<devil>neo_: you can try more (package name) in one line
04:20<neo_>I got it all now
04:20<devil>neo_: or webmin-*
04:20<neo_>And now I can download again
04:20<neo_>I tried the wild card
04:20<neo_>I got a error saying file or dir didnt exist
04:20<fxiny>imperia: i'd put everything back as it was . remove gdm and read dpkg !xsession factoid
04:21<neo_>I said the F word outloud at that error
04:21<devil>hehe
04:21<neo_>But I appreciate the help
04:21<fxiny>imperia: or just use gdm
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04:21<neo_>brb
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04:22<fxiny>imperia: the debian way is : update-rc.d -f <xxx> remove
04:22<fxiny>or just remove the package
04:22<imperia>•fxiny• aptitude install gdm wants to install 14mb of packages which is not quite lightweight :)...can you tell me what autostarted gnome before if not gdm?
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04:23<fxiny>imperia: msg dpkg >> !xsession
04:25<Gekz>gnome isnt lightweight
04:25<Gekz>-_-
04:25<Gekz>xfce, woo!
04:25<imperia>fluxbox ftw :)
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04:25<fxiny>imperia: and screen and irssi :)
04:26<imperia>yes.. i use that.. irssi
04:26<Gekz>that said.. i havent used xfce in a week
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04:26<Gekz>screen, elinks and irssi
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04:26<Gekz>and gpm :p
04:26<Gekz>openbox > fluxbox
04:27<fxiny>rtorrent and mrxvt ;)
04:27<fxiny>what ?
04:27<fxiny>open what ? i can start a war !
04:27<imperia>•fxiny• i dont have .xinitrc nor .xsession in my ~ ... only got .xsession-errors
04:27<fxiny>Gekz: ;)
04:27<Gekz>rtorrent mmm
04:27<Gekz>mrxvt is lol.
04:27<Gekz>xfce4-terminal.
04:28<fxiny>imperia: add create an ~/.xsession then
04:28<fxiny>Gekz: mrxvt is lol ? hahah i have 20 profiles and i can open up to 20 tabs , i can do even more if you want :)
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04:29<Gekz>you sound boring.
04:29<Gekz>-_-
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04:29<fxiny>5 more tabs then the average sid user :P
04:29<fxiny>and sid mrxvt is buggy :P
04:29<Gekz>i use sid -_-
04:30<Gekz>i hate it but eh
04:30<Gekz>i need bleeding edge
04:30<muep>mrxvt has unicode support?
04:30<fxiny>nope
04:31<Gekz>lol
04:31<fxiny>no utf , i hate utf
04:31<Gekz>xfce4-terminal does
04:31<Gekz>...
04:31<Gekz>how can you hate encoding
04:31<Gekz>"I hate the letter g!"
04:31<muep>utf is better than the locale-specific encodings
04:31<fxiny>utf is for egyptians priests :P
04:32<muep>I need it to be able to use non-ascii characters
04:32<muep>but if one doesn't need it, how can it hurt to have support for it?
04:33<fxiny>i know that . still we are in 2008
04:33<Gekz>o.o
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04:33<fxiny>if you are talking freedom i can accept utf . i'm just fed up with this archeo things
04:34<fxiny>they don't add anything to progress
04:35<Gekz>...?
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04:35<muep>do you mean there should be no support for older languages?
04:36<muep>some people still do study them
04:36<fxiny>muep: all languages must be supported
04:36<fxiny>in the name of freedom . most of them are already dead including the one i am supposed to use
04:36<imperia>•fxiny• is it .xsession or .Xsession?
04:36<Gekz>basque?
04:37<fxiny>imperia: ~/.xsession
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04:41<fxiny>muep: studing the past is fine . i myself watch loads of aegyptians dumentary to relax and i listen to Mozart for the same reason . utf and ascii just unnerve me
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04:43<Gekz>i need a 2s/2d floppy drive :(
04:43<Gekz>i need to rip amiga disks
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04:44<gundam>KEPRJOIJER
04:44<fxiny>amiga ? very geek ;)
04:44<Gekz>:)
04:45<gundam>WHAT IS YOUR NAME
04:45<imperia>•fxiny• i have some success.. i made ~/.xsession with content "exec fluxbox" and now startx is loading fluxbox...
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04:48<imperia>•fxiny• do i have to create fluxbox startup script for mrxvt now?
04:49<fxiny>imperia: that works with exec gnome-session or startkde too
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04:49<zepard>hi people
04:49<fxiny>imperia: yes you want a ~/.mrxvtrc
04:50<gundam>HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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04:50<zepard>I can't figure out how to start jde mode on emacs after installing it, M-x gives only jde-compile-show...?
04:52<bremner>!tell gundam about shout
04:52<imperia>•fxiny• ~/.mrxvtrc or ~/.fluxbox/startup script ?
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04:53<fxiny>imperia: you can tell fluxbox to automagically load your preferred apps . can't remember how atm cause i don't do that
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04:53<gundam>JLKJKJHKH
04:53<gundam>JB'KP
04:53<gundam>JHOKJP
04:53<gundam>NNKKIH
04:53<gundam>KHK
04:54<neo_>Damn flooder
04:54<imperia>!kick
04:54<SpeedyG>!ops gundam flooder/caps-abuse
04:54<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: gundam flooder/caps-abuse
04:54<fxiny>imperia: should be somewhere down ~/.fluxbox , try grepping
04:54<Lynoure>gundam: yes, clearly a keyboard problem. or user error.
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04:54<zepard>ok a got it emacs didn't load it automatically
04:55<zepard>then load it manually
04:55<imperia>•fxiny• i got fluxbox running but its empty i cannot start anything inside it. i should install some shell inside? or thats mrxvt?
04:56<fxiny>imperia: right click on desktop
04:56<bremner>zepard: (require 'jde)
04:56<imperia>•fxiny• nothing happens... i can only click on the menubar
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04:56<zepard>thx that's what I find
04:57<zepard>bremner, how to make it load when using java mode automatically
04:57<fxiny>imperia: you should personalize your ~/.fluxbox > man startfluxbox
04:58<zepard>bremner, or like ecb loaded when M-x ecb
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05:00<mosno>I'm noticing a few things (flashplugin-nonfree, nvidia-kernel-source) are missing from Debian testing. At this stage in the cycle, for a single end-user system, is it smarter to apt-pin me some Sid packages or just run Sid?
05:00<mosno>I am aware that I run Lenny/Sid at my own risk.
05:01<holyduck>is there a way to delete a package and everypackage that directly or indirectly depends on it?
05:01<Gekz>mosno: wait a week :/
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05:01<holyduck>as in. for example.
05:01<Gekz>seems there was a mass cleanup
05:01<holyduck>uninstall xorg and every window manager or app
05:01<holyduck>that depends on it
05:01<mosno>Gekz: flashplugin-nonfree is 35 days overdue
05:01<Gekz>!give holyduck aptitude-fu
05:01*dpkg gives holyduck aptitude-fu
05:01<Gekz>lol...
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05:02<Gekz>mosno: then backport it
05:02*holyduck googles
05:02<mosno>Gekz: why not pull from sid/experimental? note, i haven't investigated the deps situtation, so yea it might pull in too much
05:03<bremner>zepard: I guess some autoload might work, but how long does the require take? maybe it is not worth the trouble
05:03<Gekz>i dont think it pulls anything
05:03<Gekz>-__-
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05:04<mosno>Gekz: so why backport?
05:04<zepard>bremner, i'll write a defun in .emacs to load it iam lazy
05:04<zepard>on demand
05:04<zepard>M-x
05:04<Gekz>mosno: it was a sugge3stion :)
05:04<Gekz>just install it then
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05:04<mosno>Gekz: ok, no problem, i just wanted to know your rationale
05:04<Gekz>im not your mum :)
05:06<mosno>Gekz: it'd be pretty weird if my mum was in IRC
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05:06<Gekz>eat your breakfast o/~
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05:06<Lynoure>holyduck: just uninstall the package... at least apt-get warns you that stuff depends on it, and uninstall those too
05:07<Lynoure>s/uninstall/uninstalls/
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05:13<scimmiapazza>hi. Is there anyone that is using compiz & atidrivers?
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05:17<KaiSVK>hi all, I am using lenny I have just upgraded, and there was an xorg upgrade :/ my compiz-fusion is not working anymore :(
05:17<KaiSVK>anytime I try to run compiz it crashes whole X server :(
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05:19<KaiSVK>anyone have similar problems ?
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05:20<coolboy>what kind of problem?
05:20<KaiSVK><KaiSVK> hi all, I am using lenny I have just upgraded, and there was an xorg upgrade :/ my compiz-fusion is not working anymore :(
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05:23<imperia>•fxiny• fluxbox is very nice.
05:24<bremner>zepard: you could try something like (autoload 'jde-mode "jde" "Java Development Environment" t) (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.java$" . jde-mode)
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05:25<fxiny>imperia: nice to hear that :) everything ok ?
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05:26<zepard>bremner, thx
05:27<imperia>•fxiny• i have to deal with quite a lot of issues. but at least i managed to create some menu. now i can start terminal from there - mrxvt.. tried putting mrxvt in ~/.fluxbox/startup but it didn't worked.
05:28<fxiny>imperia: you need a rc file : ~/.mrxvtrc
05:29<imperia>•fxiny• touch ~/.mrxvtrc?
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05:29<KaiSVK>hureeey :D
05:30<KaiSVK>reinstalling of the nvidia driver against the new xorg-core package has helped ! Compiz-fusion is working again :)
05:31<fxiny>imperia: you should find an example in /usr/share/doc/mrxvt
05:31<fxiny>imperia: gimme a sec i check mine
05:31<imperia>•fxiny• thanks!
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05:34<devil>KaiSVK: after upgrades of xorg its always advisable to reinstall proprietary 3d drivers
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05:34<imperia>is adesklets something like active desktop ?
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05:35<KaiSVK>thanx devil, but it seemed to WORK properly, except the compiz :/ and it was not a major upgrade
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05:37<devil_>KaiSVK: compiz is still heavily developed, so expect breakage
05:37<KaiSVK>devil_, thanx again, looks like you left your nick here :D
05:37<fxiny>imperia: a quick one http://paste.debian.net/47264 , that is for 8 tabs as you can see from > Mrxvt.initProfileList:0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 . add/edit yours including working dir
05:38<fxiny>imperia: dunno if you use terminus fonts . i do
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05:39<imperia>•fxiny• going to try this now
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05:42<imperia>•fxiny• if that's terminus that i see.. its very nice... normal terminal font
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05:43<fxiny>imperia: xfonts-terminus package
05:45<imperia>•fxiny• how do i autostart mxvrt with fluxbox?
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05:46<suiside>imperia: add it to the ~/.fluxbox/startup script
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05:47<imperia>•fxiny• i added that: mrxvt -g 80x25-100-100 & didn't worked
05:48<imperia>•fxiny• one line just before "exec /usr/bin/fluxbox"
05:49<zepard>can I capture a pts output in my workin pts (or terminal)?
05:49<zepard>to know what is happening there
05:50<fxiny>imperia: try just mrxvt &
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05:50<imperia>•fxiny• ok
05:50*KaiSVK hates rebooting remote systems :?
05:50<fxiny>imperia: not sure . just guessing , rememebr > right click menu > restart when yoiu change something
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05:52<victor>anyone uses mplayerplug-in?
05:52<victor>I've got a problem with it.
05:53<victor>I've tried it on the test pages, and it works fine.
05:53<victor>works on apple.com/trails
05:54<victor>but it seems abnormal with javascript method.
05:54<victor>e.g. channelchooser.com
05:55<victor>3abn.org
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05:55<zepard>or maybe pipe a process output running on a terminal to my terminal
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05:55<victor>the faq page says: This is normally a packaging error. The xpt files are not included in the package or have not been placed in the correct location.
05:56<fxiny>zepard: man script ?
05:56<zepard>.
05:56<zepard>?
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05:56<victor>http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/faq.php
05:57<victor>Could anyone please help?
05:57<imperia>d
05:57<fxiny>zepard: from man scriupt > Script makes a typescript of everything printed on your terminal
05:57<zepard>I see , I'll look at it
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05:58<imperia>•fxiny• mrxvt does not autostart. don't know what is wrong... do you know the name for non bold version of terminus?
06:00<fxiny>imperia: check /etc/X11/fluxbox/init and type xfontsel
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06:01<fxiny>imperia: dunno why i said /etc/X11/fluxbox/init ! i'm doing too many things at the same time ;)
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06:02<fxiny>damned spammers !
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06:03<imperia>•fxiny• no worries. :D.. what you meant by typing /fluxbox/init?
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06:05<fxiny>imperia: just type xfontsel . get the alternative to bold for terminus this way
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06:06<fxiny>imperia: should be "medium"
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06:06<imperia>•fxiny• doing it.. this xfontsel is awesome.. thanks .. yes its medium
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06:08<Azoff>hello
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06:08<Azoff>is it saft to use UUID in fstab on Etch?
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06:08<hever>Hello, how do I get the return value of a command in a shell script ? For example in an if ?
06:08<Azoff>hever: $?
06:08<hever>(Not the output)
06:08<zepard>fxiny, with script I can't capture tty using emacs
06:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
06:09<zepard>fxiny, I read about "capture" , but didn't find it on debian sid?
06:09<zepard>fxiny, any idea?
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06:09<hever>Azoff: I see, thanks...
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06:10<Azoff>hever: np :-)
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06:10<imperia>•Azoff• its safe
06:10<bremner>zepard: what do you hope to capture from an emacs session?
06:11<Azoff>imperia: the initramfs can handle it propperly then..?
06:11<Azoff>imperia: I think I saw something about some ubuntu guys having trouble with it
06:11<zepard>bremner, the whole screen output if possible
06:12<hever>And is there a easy way to abort a shell script or must I put my whole script into a condition ?
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06:12<bremner>zepard: so you want a text equivalent of a screenshot? or would a jpeg do?
06:12<zepard>no
06:12<imperia>•Azoff• i am not quite familiar but i installed 2.6.23.14 kernel and it had problems mounting my hard disk.. the only way to solve it was to mount it by UUID.
06:13<Azoff>hever: command_that_fails || exit 1
06:13<Azoff>hever: something like that?
06:13<zepard>bremner, a life view of what is happening on a another terminal
06:13<Azoff>imperia: oki, but it's only 2.6.18 in etch ;-)
06:13<zepard>bremner, like the reverse of when I type emacs | tee /dev/pts/3 for example
06:13<hever>Azoff: I'm going to unmount some bindings. If this fail, the script should send a email or something and exit.
06:13<Azoff>well... I should probobly just try =P
06:14<imperia>•Azoff• it wont hurt
06:14<hever>For sure I can put it in a if.
06:14<bremner>zepard: I wonder if screen can help
06:14<Azoff>hever: create a function and do the mail stuff in it and then call exit from it?
06:14<fxiny>zepard: is the other terminal on a remote machine ?
06:14<zepard>it would be great but for now it is on my pc
06:14<fxiny>bremner: i was just tinking about screen :)
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06:15<HennaX>could somebody point me in the right direction which options i need in /etc/ssh/sshd_config so /etc/hosts.deny takes effect?
06:15<hever>Azoff: exit was it ;)
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06:19<zepard>bremner, you mean screendump?
06:19<bremner>zepard: apt-cache show screen
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06:19<fxiny>just screen multiuser mode
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06:20<Azoff>btw, has anyone of you worked with Openoffice basic?
06:20*bremner looked at it once and decided to get a root canal instead
06:21<imperia>•fxiny• can you tell me some nice system monitor. like gkrellm?
06:21<mc>imperia: can you fix your client please?
06:21<bremner>zepard: screen -x should do what you want
06:21<mc>these broken ^U around nicks are just plain... broken, wrong and annoying.
06:21<imperia>lol sorry.. i guess that dot do BEEP on your terminal?
06:22<fxiny>imperia: conky ?
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06:22<fxiny>i prefere gkrellm
06:22<KaiSVK>I have problem, I need to check fs on the remote system, now all data is in one partition /
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06:23<KaiSVK>how do I umount or remount it with only read permissions ?
06:23<fxiny>zepard: i don't really know what you are doing : apt-cache show snoopy
06:23<zepard>bremner, fxiny, thx I'll look at it
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06:24<hathe>KaiSVK: you have to reboot to mount / read only (afaik)
06:24<imperia>gkrellm is heavy
06:24<KaiSVK>hathe, but I am not on that machine, just by ssh :(
06:24<zepard>fxiny, i want to see what is happening on any terminal I choose, for example a student is running emacs and to see waht is he typing for example
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06:25<Azoff>hathe: you can issue 'mount -o remount,ro /'
06:26<hathe>Azoff: but a running OS need write permissions...
06:26<fxiny>zepard: a vnc viewer maybe ?
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06:27<zepard>fxiny, donno.
06:27<zepard>fxiny, what is it
06:27<bremner>zepard: only terminal applications? or graphics too?
06:27<fxiny>zepard: there are many start checking xtightvncviewer
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06:27<fxiny>zepard: graphic . screen is very good for terminal
06:27<zepard>I was thinking about terminal only for now but ..
06:28<zepard>fxiny, why not
06:28<bremner>zepard: then as long as the students run screen (i.e. cooperate), screen should work fine
06:28<zepard>fxiny, vnc then
06:29<fxiny>this is about screen : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/572
06:29<idkfa>i'm trying to install libboost-date-time1.34.1 however i get the message 'Package ... is not available, but is referred to by another package.' what repos. do i need in my sources.list to get this version?
06:29<fxiny>zepard: if the student is dumb go for vnc :P
06:29<zepard>fxiny, :)
06:29<idkfa>i just have the usual etch main contrib non-free for deb and security
06:29<bremner>idkfa: aptitude update ?
06:30<idkfa>bremner: ok ta, ill have a shot
06:30<Azoff>hathe: not everywhere... you could mount tmpfs on those places
06:30<gsimmons>HennaX: No additional options are required, as sshd is already linked against libwrap. Define "sshd: foo.bar.baz" as necessary within /etc/hosts.deny.
06:30<fxiny>zepard: you should know about screen anyway : divfe into it and enjoy one of the finest apps ever
06:30<zepard>fxiny, ok
06:30<Azoff>hathe: but I think you can do it from single user moed... (runlevel 1)
06:30<zepard>fxiny, im on man screen
06:31<zepard>fxiny, thx
06:31<fxiny>zepard: np
06:31<hathe>Azoff: then explain your way to KaiSVK ;)
06:31<hever>what means return value 2 of umount? There is nothing said about it in the umount manpage?
06:31<bremner>idkfa: aptitude update; also, I think the package is called libboos-date-time1.34.1
06:31<zepard>fxiny, whan started to think on it I was thinking about a simple piping
06:32<HennaX>gsimmons: the IgnoreRhosts and HostbasedAuthentication dont affect this?
06:32<bremner>idkfa: sorry, libboost-date-time1.34.1
06:32<idkfa>bremner: whats the diff between apt-get update and aptitude update?
06:32<idkfa>bremner: hehe thats cool
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06:32<bremner>!tell idkfa about why aptitude
06:33<idkfa>bremner: cheers...better start using that then
06:33<sheldonh>bremner: and it keeps a log of changes
06:33<gsimmons>HennaX: No.
06:33<Gekz>idkfa: doom2!
06:33<HennaX>gsimmons: thanks
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06:33<idkfa>Gekz: and 1 ;)
06:33<Gekz>mmm all weapons.
06:34<Gekz>iddqd also.
06:34<sheldonh>bremner: well, a nice log, compared with apt-get :)
06:34<idkfa>idspispopd as well haha
06:34<Gekz>really
06:34<Gekz>wtf is that?:
06:34<KaiSVK>is there a possibility to set ext3 filesystem to fsck on it after reboot ?
06:34<idkfa>that was to turn on no clipping - walk thru walls
06:34<Gekz>KaiSVK: man tune2fs
06:35<fxiny>zepard: i can think about : script watch and snoopy . screen is a world apart
06:35<idkfa>from memory...that was years and years ago
06:35<Gekz>idkfa: ah yeah
06:35<Gekz>lol
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06:35<fxiny>zepard: detach/reattach is a feature you might find so useful with dumb students
06:37<idkfa>hmm well aptitude search libboost-date-time only gives me 1.33.1 as the latest, not 1.34.1
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06:37<zepard>fxiny, I'll install detach
06:37<Gekz>idkfa: aptitude update
06:37<idkfa>yeh did that
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06:37<Gekz>o.o
06:37<fxiny>zepard: why ? detach is not enough
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06:38<fxiny>i don't use detach i use screen
06:38<idkfa>whats the best way to determine what i need in my sources.list, as in how can i go i need this package, where does it sit?
06:38<zepard>fxiny, hum
06:38<Gekz>dtach...
06:38<bremner>idkfa: yeah, sorry, I'm running sid
06:38<Gekz>not detach.
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06:38<idkfa>bremner: no worries
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06:38<fxiny>Gekz: yes : dtach :)
06:38<bremner>idkfa: what wants 1.34?
06:38<zepard>fxiny, i didn't find detach on apt
06:39<sheldonh>wow
06:39<fxiny>zepard: Gekz deleted it :)
06:39<fxiny>Gekz: :P
06:39<idkfa>bremner: deluge, the torrent client
06:39<zepard>:D
06:39<bremner>idkfa: is it in debian?
06:39<idkfa>bremner: there is a deb package on the website
06:39<Rev>hi people
06:39<sheldonh>aptitude search chess comes up empty-handed! ~dchess finds crafty, but the only client available is, apparently, xboard, and that's not in sid
06:39<fxiny>zepard: check multitail as well
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06:40<bremner>idkfa: not the same thing :-). Yeah, well I guess you need the the testing repos. But, upgrading to testing to run a torrent client is extreme
06:40<fxiny>i hate xboard ! i believe it cheats !
06:40<slept>i know there is a website on which one can read why certain packages are not in tzesting yet and by whick packages they are blocked, but I just can't find it anymore with google
06:40<fxiny>i cannot prove it but i had this feeling so many times
06:40<zepard>fxiny, wow
06:41<bremner>idkfa: maybe building deluge from source; or check www.backports.org
06:41<Rev>just a question : i installed quake 3 on my ubuntu, but since i cant launch it in the terminal, i was wondering if the installation was successful. Then i was lookig for the install folder and I cant find the folder where it has been installed. Shouldnt it be installed in /usr/ ?
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06:41<zepard>fxiny, I like this one
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06:41<fxiny>zepard: which one ?
06:41<gsimmons>!tell Rev -about ubuntu
06:41<zepard>multitail
06:41<zepard>sounds good
06:41<sheldonh>fxiny: what, like it moves your pieces into worse positions while you're not looking? ;)
06:41<idkfa>bremner: ok will do, thanks for your help
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06:42<KaiSVK>Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda2 what is this ??? :(
06:42<Rev>gsimmons, ok, i know that its not the same, but since it has a common root, i was wondering that you could maybe answer this formal (and not technical question)
06:42<bremner>KaiSVK: wrong filesystem?
06:42<fxiny>sheldonh: i am quite sure it did something like that : yes , and i was looking !
06:42<Rev>here is an other form : on debian, where is quake 3 installed ?
06:42<KaiSVK>what is wrong about it ? :(
06:42<zepard>fxiny, not for what I am looking for but, I think about all things I did with only tail
06:42<KaiSVK>/dev/sda2 131G 4.6G 126G 4% /
06:42<zepard>fxiny, and grep thingys
06:43<gsimmons>Rev: You're still in the wrong channel for support of your distribution. Please join #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net instead.
06:43<fxiny>zepard: so i can tell you another one : swatch :)
06:43<Rev>gsimmons : on debian, where is quake 3 installed ?
06:43<zepard>I have enough to discover now, thx
06:43<Blub-->Ok.
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06:43<bremner>!tell rev about FHS
06:43<sheldonh>this is so weird. it's in lenny and etch but not sid :)
06:45<Rev>ok thx
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06:46<bremner>KaiSVK: what are you trying to do? It looks like the partition is mounted already.
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07:00<myki>Hello. Everytime I download new kernel image from apt, dpkg wipes my menu.lst deleting custom kernel switches, titles, etc. Is that a feature?
07:01<fxiny>i notice that yes , it pissed me off . i had backups
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07:03<zepard>fxiny, I found a problem with screen -x. if the the connected tty is in smaller window then emacs does not appear totally, I should make the window enough big to see everything, silly no?
07:03<valdyn>myki: yes
07:03<valdyn>myki: read the file, it explicitely sais stuff like:
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07:04<valdyn>myki: ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
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07:05<valdyn>myki: where you could use custom additions below that line
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07:05<zepard>fxiny, swatch! not bad..thx.
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07:05<valdyn>myki: but you are probably better served by using the ##kopt line with the update-grub command run after
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07:07<HennaX>myki: what i do is to tweak my /boot/grub/menu.lst how i want it and then copy it to menu.lst.old - later when menu.lst is modified i check which settings i want to include in menu.lst.old, then remove menu.lst and cp menu.lst.old menu.lst
07:08<fxiny>zepard: i did not know about this screen/emacs issue . i use a very old swatch version > 3.0.4-1 so i can do perlcode regexes : PERLCODE=$regex='^\[\*\*\]';
07:09<zepard>fxiny, hooh
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07:10<zepard>:)
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07:10<zepard>fxiny,
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07:11<zepard>fxiny, now another usage I want with ttys
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07:12<zepard>fxiny, imagine a process running on a server, and for a bad reason it doesn't log every thing in any file or not every thing. if I want to see waht is happening on the terminal how to can I do?
07:12<fxiny>snoopy ?
07:13<zepard>fxiny, ok
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07:15<zepard>ok I got to have lunch, thx guys see you
07:15<fxiny>zepard: lemme know if you find something better
07:15<zepard>fxiny, right
07:15<zepard>:)
07:15<fxiny>zepard: ;)
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07:17<Maulkin>retty?
07:17<fxiny>ahhhhh yes !
07:17<fxiny>Maulkin: :))
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07:47<m0RrE>does anyone use xfce here? there's only one thing that annoyes me.. the desktop doesn't update itself when i e.g. download a file or delete something..
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07:47<Gekz>morph_: ctrl-r
07:48<Gekz>m0RrE: *
07:48<Gekz>try that
07:48<slept>I am not sure if I found an aptitude bug or feature, when I do : aptitude install packagename and additional packages are installed they have a {a} at the end of their name . when I do aptitude remove packagename packages which are not needed anymore get a {u} which I guess means unused. apt-get/remove does not behave like this. So is it a bug or a feature and can somone else confirm it ? Since it looks stupid it might be a bug , but
07:48<slept>on the otherhand it makes sense so I am not sure ...
07:48<m0RrE>yes, i know that.. but i want it to be automatical
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07:54<imperia>•fxiny• your default mrxvt config starts 8 terminals. if i want to add console app to the menu list i have to run it thru mrxvt right? how to force it to start only 1 terminal? or maybe i have to use other term instead mrxvt?
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07:54<bremner>slept: is a feature
07:54<suiside>slept: so you are saying that two completely different applications behave differently, excuse me if I'm not shocked
07:54<bremner>slept: {a} means auto {u} unused
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07:55<bremner>slept: the {a} packages will be removed automatically if you remove the thing that depended on them
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08:04<fxiny>imperia: edit Mrxvt.initProfileList:0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 line say Mrxvt.initProfileList:0 . zero is special in mrxvt , edit as you like . or just modify : scroll down to KITCHEN SINK and ROOT CONSOLE lines . run : mrxvt -name KitchenSink and mrxvt -name Root . check KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS
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08:06<fxiny>imperia: i need working directory and special fonts so i set it up to 8 , if you want just one modify or set to open 8 like say : mrxvt -name imperia and edit accordingly
08:08<fxiny>imperia: start with one and go up the maximum : 15 for sid . 20 for me ;)
08:08<fxiny>imperia: see the line : # Open profiles 1 -- 4 on Ctrl+Shift+F1 -- F4.
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08:09<fxiny>gnome terminal can go up to 8 profiles . don't remember kde . mrxvt macros are perfect for me
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08:10<fxiny>but again etch mrxvt has a 5 tabs limit
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08:11<fxiny>and sid segafault if started with a rc file > (iirc) 20
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08:12<fxiny>sid sources are buggy same as mainstream
08:12<imperia>i use testing repo.. so KitchenSink is something like different config profile?
08:12<fxiny>testing is like sid : buggy
08:13<fxiny>if you stay with 15 yiou are safe if you try more it segfault
08:13<fxiny>sagfaults*
08:14<fxiny>imperia: you can start with just one and eventually use a macro when you want more
08:15<fxiny>imperia: check the example provided in /usr/share/mrxvt
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08:16<fxiny>this is the mainstream bug : rxvt.h line 1235 reads MAX_NFONTS instead of MAX_PROFILES
08:17<Gekz>fxiny: you know things
08:17<fxiny>Gekz: google told me :)
08:17<Gekz>is there a vmware server deb
08:17<Gekz>tell me.
08:18<pood181>find nigga
08:18<fxiny>Gekz: yes , not deb just vmware . it works fine on etch
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08:19<imperia>•fxiny• can i define custom something.initProfileList or i can use only KitchenSink and Root?
08:19<pood181>do you know a good exploit for ssh to hack password?
08:19<fxiny>Gekz: i did not fire a bug report cause i did not discovered it . i had a conversation on chan with someone a couple of weeks ago
08:19<imperia>rofl
08:19<fxiny>imperia: yes , you can do your own
08:20<pood181>imperia, what is your pass?
08:20<fxiny>Gekz: Vmware-server-1.0.3-44356.tar.gz works pretty well on etch
08:21<pood181>hmm?
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08:22<fxiny>Gekz: just a bit better then 1.0.2 and 1.0.0 versions
08:23<fxiny>imperia: on my example KitchenSink.initProfileList: 0,4,7 that means profiles 0 4 and 7
08:24<fxiny>imperia: 0 4 and 7 working dir color and fonts
08:24<fxiny>just swap
08:25<Gekz>fxiny: i want the beta :
08:25<Gekz>:)
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08:25<fxiny>imperia: there are KITCHEN SINK examples to launc mutt in a tab
08:25<fxiny>Gekz: beta ? is it new ?
08:26<Gekz>fxiny: 3 months new
08:26<Gekz>lol
08:26<fxiny>Gekz: i don't go anymore to vmware site since they ask for email
08:26<Gekz>yeah
08:26<Gekz>you put a fake one
08:26<Gekz>its pretty easy
08:26<fxiny>yes ?
08:26<fxiny>like msn ? :P
08:27<Gekz>lol
08:27<Gekz>loike lol@lol.com
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08:29<fxiny>Gekz: i can show you one of my mutt send-hook : yoursister@theholy.one from leather@frog.mil . i use this one to keep "alive" some of my gmail addresses :P
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08:29<Gekz>lol
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08:30<fxiny>Gekz: you lolling ? you should see me reading gmail ads for this address ! hahahahaahh
08:30<Gekz>lol
08:31<Gekz>viagra? you bet!
08:31<fxiny>heheheheeh
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08:32<fxiny>seriously i have muttprofile and wierd mutt send-hook :))
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08:33<fxiny>Gekz: so they (vmwarillas) don't send some code of pass to a provided email address ? download just follow ?
08:34<Gekz>yep
08:34<Gekz>and the keys too
08:34<Gekz>lol
08:34<Gekz>fxiny: pm me the links and meys too plz, elinks cant pass the survey :/
08:34<Gekz>k
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08:35<walber_>hi
08:35<fxiny>Gekz: tell me what's new on the beta first
08:35<Gekz>usb2
08:35<Gekz>64bit guests
08:35<walber_>someone have one tutorial for install compiz fusion in debian etch + ccsm
08:36<Gekz>webbased admin client that works better than the gui one
08:36<fxiny>ohhh and whaty about the f* sun appliance ? are sunrillas dumb as vwmarez ?
08:37<fxiny>cause wmare redirect to sun for the solaris appliance
08:37<Gekz>i dont know
08:38<fxiny>yes : sun appliance is not free
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08:39<Gekz>you can easily make one
08:39<Gekz>opensolaris is mmm
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08:39<fxiny>Gekz: i don't bow to sun . i refuse to sign . is not free ? they can have it
08:40<fxiny>even a fake one
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08:41<fxiny>better then linux a f* ! whta they think gnu licence is ? some kind of garnment ? sun are idiots
08:41<Gekz>opensolaris is free >.>
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08:41<Gekz>they use cddl
08:41<Gekz>which is just mpl jazzed up
08:41<Gekz>its less restrictive than the gpl
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08:42<fxiny>so why are they asking me for a name ? gnu don't give a damn for email and names
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08:42<fxiny>i don't bow
08:42<Gekz>dude, fake it..
08:45<fxiny>Gekz: i can fake for something i really need : i've changedd my mind wacthing a stream form last debconf about nextenta : it appears sun don't give a damn for fixing compilers bugs
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08:45<fxiny>so i deletd nextenta vmware appliance and the solaris todo line
08:45<Gekz>lol
08:45<fxiny>what they think we are ?
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08:46<Gekz>i think you're overreacting
08:46<Gekz>:)
08:47<fxiny>Gekz: i'm playing the proud linux user hardcore ;)
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08:47<Gekz>you're hurting yourselfd
08:47<Gekz>are you a polak?
08:47<fxiny>nope
08:48<Gekz>ah .it
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08:48<Gekz>:p
08:48<fxiny>i'm not like them it !
08:48<Gekz>Solaris is a corporate OS, it's free' and they offer 24hour fee-based support
08:49<Gekz>OpenSolaris is FOSS. No support yet.
08:49<Gekz>it will be Solaris 11.
08:49<fxiny>Gekz: seriously . sun does maybe the best os around , maybe . but i am used to gnu level of freedom so i don't catre anumore about solairis free or not free
08:50<Gekz>fxiny: Solaris wasn't made for you.
08:50<Gekz>thats my point
08:50<fxiny>Gekz: is not foss . check for a vmware appliance : you must sign to sun to get it
08:50<Gekz>they dont care if you like it
08:50<Gekz>:)
08:50<Gekz>fxiny: thats vmware being idiots.
08:51<fxiny>Gekz: even linux was not made for me : i was walking my way to freedom and linux crossed my path
08:51<koollman>fxiny: how is it 'not foss' ?
08:52<Gekz>koollman: leave it!
08:52<Gekz>put down the gun
08:52<fxiny>koollman: try to download a solaris vmware appliance then . the java licence issue
08:52<Gekz>lol java
08:52<fxiny>seen ?
08:53<koollman>fxiny: a vmware appliance ? that's a packaged thingy
08:53<fxiny>koollman: that is what me and Gekz were talking about
08:54<koollman>well .. you *can* repackage it in the same way
08:54<koollman>without signing up anywhere
08:54<koollman>it is just long and boring
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08:54<fxiny>is not on vmware site cause sun wants something i do not agree with : my email
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08:55<fxiny>if i want i can pay for solaris cash , i do not want to give any emai addess
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08:56<fxiny>koollman: thet are saying is better then linux ; i say no is not better : linux has gnu licence
08:56<koollman>fxiny: and which license is 'best' ? cddl or glp ?
08:56<fxiny>we all have cash for solaris
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08:57<fxiny>i don'0t agree with they're licence . i can give money but nothing more
08:57<koollman>that's a bit stupid. But it's your opinion
08:57<fxiny>is like true love and mercenary sex
08:57<koollman>if you have money but can't find an email to put in a web form ... well, maybe you should think about using your money
08:58<Gekz>koollman: i think cddl > gpl
08:58<Gekz>but eh.
08:58<fxiny>they want to join the foss scene cause they are having nasdesque issues ? what they think linux users are ?
08:59<fxiny>are they collecting mail addresses for this purpose ?
08:59<koollman>fxiny: now ... you are about to lack arguments soon, right ? :)
08:59<fxiny>koollman: could be
08:59<fxiny>koollman: i'm just sayin what i think : i might be wrong but this is what i really think
09:00<fxiny>koollman: vmware did the same after the ipo
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09:06<fxiny>koollman: about licences . what is bettre and what is not it depends . developper point of view . user point of view and so on . we can say anything even about gnu licences but not in the sense gnu is against progress or freedom .
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09:07<HennaX>in /etc/pam.d/ssh i put "auth required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user" aswell as "account required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user" but these settings dont seem to take effect. any tips?
09:07<fxiny>lemme check mine
09:08<cai>debian:/etc/apache2# find |xargs grep "AddDefaultCharset"
09:08<cai>./mods-available/proxy.conf: AddDefaultCharset off
09:08<cai>./conf.d/charset:# Read the documentation before enabling AddDefaultCharset.
09:08<cai>./conf.d/charset:#AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
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09:08<Gekz>fxiny: gnu is not about freedom
09:08<fxiny>Gekz: it is
09:08<Gekz>why is gplv2 incompatible with gplv3 then?
09:08<Gekz>:)
09:09<fxiny>Gekz: because there is something really against freedom : the f* law
09:09<Gekz>f*?
09:09<fxiny>try to play with any law and you'll smell the s*
09:09<Gekz>ah
09:09<Gekz>lol
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09:10<fxiny>is not gnu fault : is as the things are in this rotten planet
09:10<HennaX>the mistake you make when you talk about freedom is, that you only look at your situation and not at the situation of the entire society. in that context the GNU license assures freedom pretty much
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09:11<Gekz>HennaX: assures free software. bsd assures _free_ software
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09:11<HennaX>Gekz: no
09:11<Gekz>mit = completely free lol
09:11<fxiny>i don'l look at my situation : freedom is natural as water or stars
09:11<HennaX>Gekz: your reasoning only makes sense from an egoistical point of view
09:11<HennaX>fxiny: nonesense
09:11<abrotman>code free vs developer free
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09:12<Gekz>in order of freedoms (less to more): gpl, bsd 2-clause, mit
09:12<HennaX>Gekz: no
09:12<snogglethorpe>Gekz: there is no simple ordering of "freedom"
09:13<Gekz>extent of freedoms
09:13<HennaX>because you have to take into credit from what point of view you look at freedom
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09:13<Gekz>ability to do what it says you can
09:13<fxiny>HennaX: nonsense ? no way any law can say what freedom is
09:13<Gekz>limitations
09:13<Kalessin>hello \_o<
09:13<Gekz>fxiny: freedom is the opposite of a limitationj
09:13<Gekz>nothing more.
09:14<abrotman>you're talking about different kinds of freedom .. now quit arguing
09:14<Kalessin>hmm
09:14<Gekz>lol
09:14<Kalessin>I'm in troubles with apache2 and subversion on etch
09:14<Kalessin>I have make a post here : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=124378#124378
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09:15<Gekz>English should be a much less grey-area ridden language
09:15<Gekz>too many homonyms
09:15<Gekz>>.>
09:15<fxiny>Gekz: if you want to get to freedom you need a path . a path is a set of rules . the law is a set of lies . any law . a licence is a way to cope with lies
09:15<Gekz>hippie.
09:15<Gekz>lol
09:15<Kalessin>if somebody can help me i will be grateful
09:16<HennaX>fxiny: please stop this nonesense. we are on #debian
09:16<lupine_85>\o/ logical inconsistencies
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09:16<Gekz>lupine_85: why do i know you
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09:16<imperia_>fxiny: why 0 is special number in mrxvt?
09:18<fxiny>imperia_: trying to focus back on that
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09:18<fxiny>Gekz: i'm gonna put you on my irssi hilight :)))
09:18<Gekz>why
09:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 334] by debhelper
09:19<Gekz>-_-
09:19<Gekz>i usually talk inane crap
09:19<Gekz>:p
09:20<HennaX>Gekz: we expect that from australians :-p
09:20<Gekz>HennaX: I suppose you're american. Enjoy your recession :)
09:20<HennaX>haha
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09:20<fxiny>Gekz: hahaha
09:21<fxiny>Gekz: a recession in a monarchy is so funny :P
09:21<snogglethorpe>Gekz: ahhh, you're australian
09:21<snogglethorpe>Gekz: so much explained
09:22<fxiny>Gekz: you drinking those tasty small green cans ?
09:22<Gekz>didn't realise everyone here was so prejudice.
09:22<snogglethorpe>fxiny: cans of what?
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09:22<snogglethorpe>Gekz: only against morons... :-/
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09:23<fxiny>snogglethorpe: beer . can't rememembe the name
09:23<imperia_>heineken
09:23<fxiny>snogglethorpe: not the f* = xxxx :P
09:23<fxiny>imperia_: heineken is ducth . thet have some green cans too
09:24<fxiny>victoria beer ? something like that
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09:24<Gekz>snogglethorpe: you can say that when you a) arent trolling and b) have a valid point or argument, and c) theres no excuse for prejudice.
09:24<Kalessin>:cry:
09:24<fxiny>Gekz: prejudice ? i own a rm wiliams dried-as-a-bone
09:24<Gekz>fxiny: victoria bitter, and its crap.
09:24<fxiny>oil skin !
09:25<fxiny>Gekz: is not crap : i like it
09:25<Gekz>lol
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09:25<snogglethorpe>Gekz: you fail on all three points
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09:26<Gekz>snogglethorpe: enjoy the /ignore list
09:27<fxiny>Gekz: no jokes : i own an oil skin
09:27<lupine_85>not a clue
09:27<Gekz>k.
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09:34<sysop>I am getting that there is a parser error in /var/lib/scrollkeeper/*/scrollkeeper*.xml.... Extra content at end of document... something about a set???? is this a bug?
09:35<sysop>this happens during synaptic installs at random... and all I have done to my Ubuntu7.10 system is install from synaptic... otherwise fresh out of the box???
09:35<sysop>this happens during synaptic installs at random...
09:35<sysop> and all I have done to my Ubuntu7.10 system is install from synaptic... otherwise fresh out of the box???
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09:36<bremner>!tell sysop about ubuntu
09:36<fenix>hi
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09:41<bremner>Kallesin: try #debian-svn or #debian-apache ?
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09:42<fxiny>imperia_: http://linux.die.net/man/1/mrxvt > "The profile number 0 is special,and contains default settings which are used for all profiles where this option is not set"
09:43<bremner>Kallesin: doesn't look that hopeful, mind you. I think you need to post to either svn mailing list or debian-user
09:44<imperia_>fxiny: ok
09:45<Kalessin>bremner, thanks for your reply i wasn't aware of the existence of this two chan i will try and post on mailing list too
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09:49<fxiny>HennaX: are you sure you need to stick on /etc/pam.d/ssh and not on common-auth/account ?
09:50<fxiny>i made modifications on /etc/pam.d/common-auth
09:50<HennaX>fxiny: interesting point you make there. and to be honest, i have no idea
09:51<fxiny>for sshusers-allowed and wheel : taken from official debian hardening docs long ago , i'd check debian doc for that
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09:52<imperia>•fxiny• so if i want just 1 terminal: KitchenSink.initProfileList: 0 or KitchenSink.initProfileList: 1?
09:53<fxiny>HennaX: iirc woody had no common files , can't remember exactly atm
09:53<HennaX>the machine uses etch
09:54<HennaX>do you know any online resources that cover that topic in detail?
09:54<fxiny>imperia_: if you use mine and change KitchenSink.initProfileList: 0,4,7 say 0,1,2 you can see
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09:56<fxiny>HennaX: yes : official debian docs . i am quite sure in the woody/sarge transition i was on my own about "common" pam modifications . i read all of them and i figure out how to port woody hardening modifications to sarge and then etch , i thing new debian docs should explain it better then i do
09:57<fxiny>i believe i have woody settings in a dvd buried somewhere
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09:57<HennaX>i will take a nap then and give it another try. i am tired now that i spend the last hours reading all kinds of webpages
09:58<fxiny>once i locked myself out :P
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09:59<fxiny>HennaX: i bet you should add to common-auth and common-account
09:59<HennaX>yeah, that happened when i tried to solve the permission problem the usual iptables way and the allow rules could not be loaded due to missing kernel modules. so only the default DROP policy took effect :-)
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09:59<HennaX>thats why the whole PAM poking now
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10:00<fxiny>HennaX: i use wheel longest pass and sshusers-allowed . nothing special
10:00<fxiny>still i feel somehow better this way
10:01<HennaX>when i have control over the kernel i usually go by fail2ban. makes my life quite easy
10:01<HennaX>but this vserver does not provide iptables functionality
10:01<fxiny>HennaX: i don0t use fail2ban but sshblackv27
10:02<fxiny>HennaX: feeding the idiots right to shorewall blacklist
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10:03<fxiny>i like shorewall yes , nice bash script
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10:03<HennaX>yeah, having no possibility to blacklist IPs makes me really fuzzy
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10:04<fxiny>HennaX: ohh i have the full kong-bong-msn-spam area cidr-blacklisted since ages
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10:07<fxiny>i can hear them spammers crying :P
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10:07<fxiny>Gekz: still alive ?
10:07<Gekz>yes
10:07<Gekz>barely.
10:08<fxiny>HennaX: vserver ? i run some vservers : good fun
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10:09<mjoffers>could someone tell me :
10:09<mjoffers>a word for your condition when you are training ?
10:09<fxiny>HennaX: ever joined #vserver chan ? pretty busy ppl but friendly
10:09<lupine_85>student? apprentice? trainee?#
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10:15<bremner>mjoffers: poor?
10:15<fxiny>mjoffers: in "probation" ?
10:15<fxiny>who win gets a banana from dpkg :P
10:16<fxiny>Gekz: say yours :P
10:17<Gekz>mine?
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10:17<fxiny>not your real condition !
10:18<Gekz>oh
10:18<Gekz>trainee
10:19<Gekz>gre#en
10:19<Gekz>:;p
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10:20<fxiny>mjoffers: are you in a "three months probation" something ?
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10:29<angelozs>ID 0c45:6128 Microdia alguem tem driver ??
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10:31<hever>Hello. How can I do an OR inside an if in a shell script? if [ a = b OR b = c ]. What is a or operator ?
10:31<bremner>!tell angelozs about br
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10:32<bremner>hever: man test?
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10:33<hever>bremner: doesn't tell it
10:33<bremner>hever: does too :-)
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10:33<bremner>hever: EXPRESSION1 -o EXPRESSION2
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10:33<bremner>hever: ??
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10:35<hever>bremner: oh yes I see ;) Its described in my translation as XOR
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10:35<bremner>hever: translation is wrong. File bug report?
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10:36<bremner>hever: "oder
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10:37<el_morisco>salve gente
10:37<bremner>sorry, it uses "oder"?
10:37<el_morisco>a chi posso chiedere consigli su come installare debian?
10:37<bremner>!tell el_morisco about it
10:37<hever>bremner: It says "entweder order" what is "wheter or" (in my simple english)
10:37<el_morisco>!tell
10:38<bremner>hever: ok, my german speaking wife agrees with you. translation is wrong :-)
10:39<hever>;)
10:39<el_morisco>porci bastardi aiutatemi
10:39<el_morisco>minkia queste chat straniere sono una figata perchè posso insultare tutti e nessuno lo sa
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10:39<el_morisco>hever lo sai che sei un grandissimo figlio di puttana?
10:39<bremner>el_morisco: gee, that doesn't sound nice. seeya
10:40<el_morisco>bremner ma è vero che tua madre è una troia
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10:43<fxiny>!ops el_morisco is inssulting people
10:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: fxiny complains about: el_morisco is inssulting people
10:43<fxiny>ops
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10:43<fxiny>already gone
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10:44<bremner>fxiny: and there I was, torn between /ignore and learning to speak like an italian sailor :-)
10:44<fxiny>bremner: i just come back . he's a bastard not a sailor
10:47<bremner>fxiny: ahh, I see. yes well, it is funnier when you don't speak the language. ciao
10:48<fxiny>bremner: aim is on . waiting for "fyodor opinion" :P
10:48<fxiny>:)
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10:52<wuseldusel>i've go a lenny amd64 running: i want to link a 32bit project to libmysqlclient, but it seems i only got the 64bit version of libmysqlclient.a in /usr/lib - however ld is "skipping incompatible ..." any version of the library ... where/how do i get a 32bit version of libmysqlclient, that i can link against?
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10:57<hever>How can I get a directory listing including path and filename. I must forward ths output to a script with absolute filenames...
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10:59<weasel>find "`pwd`"
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11:03<mike_>Hi! Please, answer to me, how to compile program with debug? I try to compile grdesktop in Anjuta with debug, but I can't find how to enable it. It used automake...
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11:03<Maulkin>mike_: you mean using the debian package?
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11:05<hever>weasel: it seems find gives it me relative to my actual dir
11:05<mike_>I don't understand what you mean. I'm downloading source from debian.org and try to compile it.
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11:06<weasel>hever: you didn't do what I told you to do.
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11:06<HennaX>fxiny: still there?
11:06<Maulkin>mike_: yes. Edit debian/rules, remove the line dh_strip,
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11:07<hever>weasel: yes you're right ;)
11:07<weasel>I know.
11:07<mike_>Sorry for silly question, what is "debian/rules"?
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11:08*HennaX pulls fxiny's ear
11:08<streuner>mike_: /msg dpkg nm guide
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11:09<hever>weasel: find -L `pwd` -maxdepth 1 thanks!
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11:09<weasel>hever: quote `pwd`
11:09<weasel>also, why -L?
11:10<fly>hello :)
11:10<hever>to dereference symlinks ?!
11:10<fly>anyone ktos z polski here? ;)
11:10<mike_>thank you
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11:11<fxiny>HennaX: i am here now
11:11<HennaX>fly: i think they have a #debian.pl on the sister network Freenode
11:12<HennaX>fxiny: do you remember where exactly you found this PAM related information? because the /etc/pam.d/ssh files has includes of the "common-auth" and "common-account". so i dont understand how it would matter in which one i put my settings
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11:14<fly>hennax: i know also about the same in ircnet, but first look at Konversation forced me to try here ;)
11:15<HennaX>fly :-p
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11:17<fxiny>HennaX: i started playing with pam reading official debian hardening woody docs . moving to sarge i remember things changed in /etc/pam.d so i figured out by myself adding configs to common-auth common-account and common-session . if you read ssh for instance you can see > @include common-session so it matters cause things changed , i can't rememebr how i managed to shut myself out but i did it
11:17<fly>but maybe it's not so bad idea to try here (unless only english native speakers are here) :)
11:17<fxiny>HennaX: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
11:18<HennaX>fxiny: this "securing debian howto" seems to be a work in progress since many years that was never finished
11:18<fly>problem is with diactric characters in filenames on ISO9660 cdroms :|
11:18<HennaX>fxiny: i could use something that explains the whole concepts a bit more detailed than the man page
11:19<fxiny>HennaX: is a work in progress . in fact i did it myself by just eyebaling pam.d files .is still there : "You can also restrict access to the ssh server using pam_listfile or pam_wheel"
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11:20<fxiny>HennaX: your stile reminds me of the old one which shut myself out when i cp all conf from woody to sarge
11:20<HennaX>fxiny: yes but the main problem for the moment is that lock_time and unlock_time dont seem to trigger
11:20<HennaX>i can boot a rescue console in case i log me out, thats not a problem
11:21<HennaX>lock me out even
11:21<fxiny>HennaX: i am interested in what you are doing anyway . i like this kind of things
11:22<noflash>fly, try #debian.pl
11:22<noflash>maybe on freenode
11:23<HennaX>fxiny: i want lock_time to cause a delay between each password prompt and unlock_time to cause a break of 1 hour after the 3 failed login attempts
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11:24<fxiny>HennaX: i think i have it : lemme check
11:24<fly>i'm just trying to configure my Konversation ;) I installed it 10 mins ago :) I knew about #debian.pl, but thnx anyway :)
11:24<fxiny>HennaX: password required pam_cracklib.so retry=3 minlen=6 difok=3
11:25<HennaX>fxiny: i have to apply these options to password? why not to "auth" or "account"?
11:25<DaCapn>What would cause my dual-head display setup to work until I ctrl+alt+f1 into a CLI then ctrl+alt+f7 back to the GUI? Once I go back to the GUI one of the heads goes blank (basically goes to sleep) until both monitors have been off for a long time then I turn them both back on.
11:25<fxiny>HennaX: that is in my common-password
11:25<HennaX>i tried "auth required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user" and "account required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user"
11:26<HennaX>let me try that now with "password required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600 no_magic_root per_user"
11:26<noflash>fly ok, I don't do Konversation or the polish ;) but your english looks better than mine
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11:27<fxiny>HennaX: oh that sounds good
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11:29<HennaX>fxiny: nope, still does not take effect
11:29<fxiny>HennaX: i think i'll go through all of that again
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11:29<fly>huh thnx :)
11:29<HennaX>or do i have to restart a service, maybe inetd?
11:29<fxiny>HennaX: anyway all changes must go in common* files
11:29<HennaX>fxiny: why?
11:30<fxiny>HennaX: because it makes life easier
11:30<HennaX>the common* files are included anyways, so it should not matter
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11:30<fly>noflash if you use sobe central-europeans codepages maybe you could help me?... what is your nationality ?
11:30<fxiny>HennaX: my modifications are only in common* as i can grep for a keyword i add to any conf i modify
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11:31<HennaX>fxiny: ok but that should not be cause for my problem
11:31<HennaX>fxiny: do you have to restart any service after changing anything in /etc/pam.d/ ?
11:31<fxiny>HennaX: i have many commented out new lines as well in there
11:32<fxiny>HennaX: i think you have to login again yes . "(pam_unix) session closed for user"
11:33<fxiny>that is from logchek
11:33*HennaX spanks fxiny
11:33<HennaX>you confuse me! :-)
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11:34<fxiny>HennaX: i am not sure . i'm checking my logs > PAM-Wheel[3861]: Ignoring access request" needs no login
11:34<fxiny>HennaX: i've done it ages ago
11:35<HennaX>hold on :-)
11:35<fxiny>that is for su
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11:35<fxiny>anytime pam checks su requests
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11:35<HennaX>whats the right name for PAM, its Pluggable Authentication Module?
11:35<fxiny>cause i told pam to do this way
11:35<fxiny>yes pam is not the anderson one : it really plugs :P
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11:37<fxiny>HennaX: i'm interested . i just need 15 minutes .i'll be back in 15
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11:37<HennaX>i think i finally found a useful online resource at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/
11:37<fxiny>yes ? i'll dive into it asap .
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11:44<HennaX>oh man, this is an entire science on its own
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11:51<user01>can anyone suggest a good motherboard to get to build a home file server?
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11:54<user01>im just not sure how well sata is supported yet
11:54<fxiny>HennaX: are you tailing /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/auth.log after your modifications ?
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11:55<DaCapn>user01 best bet for SATA is to use the modified netinst discs, I will give you a URL. Otherwise you won't get SATA support with etch
11:55<DaCapn>at least not until you compile a new kernel after installation
11:55<DaCapn>http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
11:55<user01>DaCapn, thanks
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11:56<Tarcas>user01: I just built one off of an Intel DG965WH. 4 500-GB SATA drives (software RAID5)
11:56<HennaX>fxiny: the fail count is raised. problem is: do i have to enable PAM somewhere? do i have to restart any service after doing changes to /etc/pam.d/?
11:57<Tarcas>Running Etch, and SATA support worked fine out of the box. It was the IDE that gave me trouble (just had to boot using the install generic.use_generic_ide=1 command)
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11:59<user01>Tarcas, seagate drives?
11:59<DaCapn>oh, by the way, when I said "you won't get SATA support with etch" I meant the official build with the 2.6.18 kernel
11:59<DaCapn>user01 I'm sure your seagate drives will work fine
11:59<sheldonh>Tarcas: depends on your sata controller
12:00<sheldonh>Tarcas: 2.6.18 is old now, and desktop motherboards are starting to emerge with controller chips released since 2.6.18 was released
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12:00<Tarcas>user01: Seagate 500 GB, OEN from TigerDirect. $120 each, plus I put them in a hotswap bay for another $70
12:00<user01>DaCapn, the backport is still quite stable though right?
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12:00<DaCapn>user01 I'm not having any problems with it
12:00<fxiny>HennaX: i don't think so : the name of the service is in /etc/pam.d/service or /etc/pam.conf
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12:01<Tarcas>sheldonh: Don't tell him SATA won't work out of the box, because it's not SATA that doesn't work. It's the individual controller. Warn him about THAT. The 965 works great, but the P33 and P35 may not.
12:01<sheldonh>Tarcas: i told him no such thing
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12:02<sheldonh>Tarcas: DaCapn said it wouldn't work. you said it worked for you. i tried to offer an explanation of the conflicting advice
12:02<Tarcas>Sorry, you said "best bet for SATA is..." I interpreted that as you indicating that SATA didn't work out of the box.
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12:02<sheldonh>Tarcas: i didn't say that either
12:02<user01>Tarcas, a hotswap bay for $70? sounds like a good deal
12:03*sheldonh isn't DaCapn
12:03<Tarcas>Whoops, that was DaCapn. My Bad.
12:03<sheldonh>:)
12:03<fxiny>HennaX: is this line you are talking about ? > auth required pam_tally.so deny=3 lock_time=179 unlock_time=3600
12:03*sheldonh gets back to trying to get hold of an mc-505
12:03<Avalos>could any 1 help me with wpkg here ?
12:03<Tarcas>!ask
12:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:04<user01>i just want a stable reliable server with a decent amount of space to back up photos which i already have almost 150 GB of
12:04<Tarcas>user01, I thought so. Makes it much easier to swap drives should one fail, and makes it no job at all to fail one in order to test RAID's rebuilding capabilities.
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12:05<HennaX>fxiny: yeah but the lock_time and unlock_time dont take effect
12:05<user01>Tarcas, which hotswap bay did you get?
12:05<sheldonh>user01: buy stable reliable server hardware. i'm only half joking :)
12:05<Tarcas>KF-4000-BK
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12:06<bouke>Hai Guys, anybody wants to help out a new debian user ? problem with read only / after some quota settings fstab.
12:06<sheldonh>user01: it's mostly desktop boards that don't work with 2.6.18
12:06<klumpe>!de
12:06<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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12:07<fxiny>HennaX: just guessing : could it be some other setting bypassing it ?
12:07<sheldonh>user01: while i'm not answering the question... :) ...use ECC ram
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12:07<bouke>Hai Guys, anybody wants to help out a new debian user ? problem with read only / after some quota settings fstab.
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12:08<Tarcas>It's just a file server. Low-power is the key here. No need for ECC, no need for a Core 2 quad, no need for much beyond support for the massive hard disks.
12:08<HennaX>fxiny: no. someobdy on another channel told me the changes in /etc/pam.d/ take effect for every new process, which means i have to restart sshd
12:08<Tarcas>!ask
12:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:09<fxiny>HennaX: ok . i need to read it all again . >> todo_list ;)
12:09<sheldonh>Tarcas: you're joking about the no need for ECC, right? see how much you like corrupt files on your file server :)
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12:10<Tarcas>sheldonh, how often do you make backups of your fileserver? How often does RAM fail?
12:11<bouke>Hai Guys, anybody wants to help out a new debian user ? problem with read only / after some quota settings fstab.
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12:11<user01>Tarcas, Intel DG965WH seems like ovrekill for a file server
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12:11<sheldonh>Tarcas: ECC isn't about RAM fatalities, it's about coping with bit flips caused by, for example, cosmic rays
12:11<HennaX>fxiny: negative. the settings still take no effect
12:12<Tarcas>user01: Depends on how many drives you need. I was wanting 4 with room to grow (and hoping to use the onboard RAID, but that didn't work out.) You can always go with something lower if you like.
12:13<sheldonh>Tarcas: i suppose it depends on what you're storing. things like video, pictures and audio probably cope well with a bit of corruption
12:13<sheldonh>Tarcas: keep in mind that backups of a fileserver don't save you from parity errors in non-ecc ram -- once what's on disk is corrupt, the corruption bleeds into your backups :)
12:14<user01>Tarcas, well, i only meant that board has 7 channel audio etc which i really wouldnt need though the sata and pata connections look ok
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12:15<Avalos>my wpkg client doesn't install the software that i set to install.. can any1 help me with that ?
12:16<bouke>accoring to a tut on howtoforge.com, i' needed to place this line in fstab/dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,usrquota,grpquota 0 1 now my / is readonly and i cant undo these fstab settings coz its read only.
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12:16<Tarcas>user01: It's what I found. Worked my way up in price until I found something that fit all my requirements. Just because it had the onboard audio didn't mean I should spend more to find one that didn't. ;-) Feel free to look for yourself. You might be able to find an off-branded board much lower in price. I decided to stick with the Intel, as I wanted a Celeron 420 in it (essentially a Core 2 Mono, but they didn't call it that)
12:16<bremner>Avalos: wpkg?
12:16<Donno>bouke: reboot with the debian cd and chroot to your /, then change your fstab
12:17<Avalos>bremner, yes
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12:17<bremner>Avalos: what is wpkg?
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12:17<Tarcas>!wpkg
12:17<bouke>Donno, im rather new to linux, can you tell me a bit more bout that action i need to take ?
12:17<Avalos>bremner, remote software distribution
12:17<Tarcas>Dunno, I've never heard of it either.
12:18<sheldonh>bouke: does e2fsck -n /dev/hda1 report errors?
12:18<bremner>Avalos: is it debian?
12:18*bremner knows answer :-)
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12:18<Avalos>bremner, im using debian + samba + ldap + wpkg to replace AD
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12:19<Donno>bouke: sure, 2sec
12:19<bouke>sheldonh it says its mounted, playing journal skipped coz read only, but it's clean
12:19<bremner>Avalos: ok, but given wpkg is not (AFAICT) a debian package, the chances seem not so good that someone here can help. I could be wrong of course. Did you try wpkg support mailing-list/IRC?
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12:21<user01>Tarcas, unless i would be better off going with freenas
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12:21<sheldonh>bouke: and there's only one line for /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab, right?
12:21<bremner>Avalos: e.g. http://lists.wpkg.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkg-users
12:22<bouke>sheldonh yes only one hda1 in fstab
12:22<Avalos>bremner, i'm gonna try that thanks
12:22<bremner>Avalos: sorry we haven't a clue :-)
12:22<sheldonh>bouke: then i don't know why it's happening
12:22<Avalos>bremner, that's ok
12:23<Tarcas>user01: Couldn't tell you. That's for you to determine based on budget, knowledge, and expected usage patterns. I don't know about freenas.
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12:23<Donno>bouke: cant remember the hole process completely, but you should be able to reboot with your debian install cd, when its booted press alt+f2, then chroot /dev/hda1, and edit your fstab
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12:24<hever>Hi there. I'm a bit in trouble by configuring php. I have a directory conf.d where all my extenstions are loaded. Where is php told that it has to look into this directory is it compiled in or is it a config option ?!
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12:25<bouke>Donno Sheldohn, i've been giving wrong information i see now, i needed to add those quota's for hda1, but i've placed them after dev/mapperServer-root
12:25<user01>is there a sata II controller that has been supported in debian for awhile?
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12:26<user01>(so therefore probably more stable?)
12:26<Donno>bouke: okay, but your should be able to edit your fstab after rebooting with the install cd
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12:27<bouke>Donno i'll try now, but i dont know how to get a rescue console
12:27<user01>im just torn between a new digital camera or a new file server . . . and wishing someone would do openraw
12:28<Donno>bouke: youll get the console when your are presented to the install menu pressing alt+f2
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12:28<Donno>bouke: changing virtual console
12:29<bouke>Donno, i've got debian screen, with f1 for help, but alt+f2 doesnt give me anything
12:31<bouke>Donno i've got ~ # console
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12:32<user01>Tarcas, out of curiosity, how did you setup the internal hotswap device in your case? arent the drive bays usually separated?
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12:32<bouke>Donno should i type chroot / ?
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12:35<Tarcas>user01: There's no barrier between the bays on this case (or I suspect most any which have this many front bays) so I was able to simply remove 3 front covers and slide this in. 4 screws on the back side and 5 on the front side hold it in place. Then the 5 power connections and 4 daya connections (extra power is for the fans)
12:35<Tarcas>daya -> sata
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12:35<Tarcas>er.. data
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12:36<user01>Tarcas, data is better than sata i think
12:36<user01>:)
12:36<DaCapn>DonnieBrasco sup man
12:37<Tarcas>eh... they're called sata connectors, so that works. Of course the power connections are called sata conenctors too.
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12:37<user01>i think computer acronyms are going to get more and mor confusing in the future
12:38<Tarcas>user01: note: The bay comes with 4 molex-to-sata converters, with their own built-in data cables too, and another plug for the drive activity lights. Don't plan on using the power supply's SATA connectors, but make sure you have 5 free molex connectors instead.
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12:39<user01>Tarcas, yes little details like that are good to know . . . thats where the devil is
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12:40<user01>Tarcas, so the drive takes 4 for the drives and then a 5 th?
12:41<Donno>bouke: think its chroot /dev/hda1
12:42<DaCapn>DonnieBrasco you can't say hi to an old friend?
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12:42<user01>Tarcas, or i could just get a sata to molex adaptor i suppose
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12:43<bouke>Donno maybe i'd better chroot hda, hda1, hda2, hda5 ?
12:44<hever>Where in a package source can I get the information how a package is compiled ?
12:44<gravity>hever: debian/rules
12:44<gravity>pray it's not cdbs
12:44<gravity>hever: You can also look at buildd.debian.org and pull up the build log for your package version
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12:45<bouke>Donno, chroot gives me 'chroot:cannot change root directory to /dev/hda1: Not a directory'
12:46<hever>gravity: hmm kewl, thanks
12:46<Tarcas>user01: right. 4 molex for the converters, a fifth for the fans and lights. I suppose you could adapt sata to molex and back to sata, but it would be better not to have to.
12:46<Donno>bouke: try chroot /dev/hda1 /
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12:47<bouke>Donno, same error
12:47<Donno>bouke: ls your /mnt
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12:48<bouke>Donno, mnt is empty
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12:48<hever>gravity: Its php5-cgi. There is no debian directory in the source...
12:49<gravity>hever: You need the debian package source then
12:49<gravity>hever: Or, if you built it yourself, just look at the build system
12:49<hever>yes sure..
12:49<bremner>bouke: cat /etc/mtab
12:50<bouke>Donno, cat gives me 7 lines
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12:52<hever>gravity: i#m sure i downloaded the debian source package...
12:52<gravity>hever: How did you do it?
12:53<hever>gravity: over packages.debian.org
12:53<hever>gravity: there I got the sourcecode
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12:53<gravity>hever: What exactly did you download?
12:53<gravity>hever: Just the .orig.tar.gz?
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12:54<hever>yes :)
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12:54<gravity>hever: You need the .diff.gz and the .dsc
12:54<gravity>hever: Then use dpkg-source -x on the .dsc and it'll unpack the .orig.tar.gz and apply the .diff.gz
12:54<gravity>hever: The .diff.gz should contain the debian directory
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12:55<Donno>bouke: ill try and help but my gf is breathing down my neck :p
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12:55<bremner>Donno: sounds good! :-)
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12:56<bouke>Donno : hehehe :) well go give here what she wants, i'll reinstall my debian again :(
12:56<hever>gravity: ok I see thanks
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12:56<bremner>bouke: it may not be necessary
12:56<Amish>when i give the command sudo apt get update .....in the end it shows ..."Reading package lists... Done
12:56<Amish>W: GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org gutsy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783"
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12:57<bouke>bremmer : got a solution ?
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12:57<bremner>bouke: where are you at? I came in late. You are booted off debian rescue cd?
12:58<weasel>Amish: you are wrong here.
12:58<weasel>Amish: this is a _debian_ channel
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12:58<bouke>bremmer : yeah booted install mode, than alt+f2'ed into ~#console
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12:59<bremner>bouke: huh, I would have typed rescue at the prompt (instead of install). Maybe it doesn't matter?
13:00<bouke>bremmer : should add ,usrquota,grpqouta after my /dev/hda1, but i've put them in line of /dev/mapper/Server-root.
13:00<Amish>how do i verify my public key ??
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13:00<bremner>bouke: and your system won't boot into single usermode, right?
13:01<bouke>bremmer : will boot into single mode, but read only mode
13:01<bremner>bouke: what happens if you try "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt"
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13:01<bremner>bouke: in rescue mode (I mean).
13:02<bouke>bremmer : when mount it says failed, invalid argument
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13:02<sheldonh>Amish: the advice we give debian users for your problem won't work on ubuntu. please use an appropriate support channel for ubuntu
13:02<bouke>bremmer: i'm in rescue now and alt+f2'ed again into console
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13:02<Kebianizao>Hello
13:03<bremner>bouke: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/mtab
13:03<Kebianizao>anyone could point me where pbuilder store the build log?
13:03<pumpkin0>Amish: you drive a VW-car and ask the GM-car dealer how it works.
13:03<bouke>bremmer : pastebin ? you mean what is in mtab ?
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13:04<bremner>!tell bouke about pastebin
13:05<bremner>bouke: those urls let you put up text for people to read
13:05<fxiny>pumpkin0: you are somehow a bit , just a bit evil ;)
13:05<bouke>bremner: i should retype it in word than i can send you a link with contents
13:05<jmeyer>just installed 4.0r2 with KDE 3.5. Are there font packages that people typically install that aren't included by default? Many webpages look kinda crappy in Konquerer and/or Iceweasel.
13:06<Kebianizao>I think mentors is a better channel for me, I'll go there
13:06<pumpkin0>fxiny: well... most people using linux are male. And males usually understand the car analogies. OK, the VW vs GM thing was a bit off.
13:06<sheldonh>jmeyer: at least msttcorefonts
13:06<gpm>jmeyer: a lot of websites unfortunately use microsoft fonts so i'll usually install msttcorefonts from non-free
13:07<jmeyer>right ... that's what i was forgetting. thx.
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13:07<fxiny>pumpkin0: no VW vs GM is ok , is the car thing to a Amish which makes me laughing :P
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13:08<sheldonh>jmeyer: maybe ttf-freefont also?
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13:08<pumpkin0>fxiny: a PC and internet using amish should know cars. Hopefully.
13:08<norbert_>Ehm, hi, I've got a little question. With ls -l, what does the second column ("2", "7", "1", ...) mean? I know the rest is information about file permissions, user and group ownership, file size, and creation date.
13:08<bouke>bremner : here is my mtab http://bibo.tweakdsl.nl/mtab.txt
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13:10<Kebianizao>bye
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13:10<bremner>bouke: sorry that was not too useful. OK, so does the directory /mnt exist and the device /dev/hda1? ls -ld /dev/hda1 /mnt
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13:13<sheldonh>norbert_: the number of filesystem names that refer to the object that this entry refers to
13:13<bouke>bremner : dont really think i know what you mean there is an /mnt dir, also a /dev/hda1 and ls -ld /dev/hda1 /mnt gives me some weird drwxr thinks
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13:13<sheldonh>norbert_: for directories, it's usually the number of subdirectories plus two
13:14<norbert_>why the plus two, because of . and ..?
13:14<sheldonh>norbert_: because of the directory itself and "."
13:14<norbert_>interesting
13:14<sheldonh>norbert_: for files, it's one more than the number of hardlinks that refer to this file (one more because this file is one of them)
13:15<norbert_>so, the count increases for files when symbolic links increase?
13:15<bremner>bouke: can you tell me the precise error message from mount?
13:15<bremner>bouke: and the precise command you typed?
13:16<pumpkin0>norbert_: hard links, not symbolic.
13:16<norbert_>okay - it was always there when I used -l, but I never noticed it ;-) thanks for the information; learn something every day
13:16<sheldonh>norbert_: no, not symbolic links, they're distinct objects. hardlinks are names for the _same_ object
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13:16<bouke>brenmer : i type mount /dev/hda1 /mnt it says 'mount: Mounting /dev/hda1 on /mnt/ failed: invalid argument
13:16<acidtop>not a bad relese
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13:17<sheldonh>norbert_: unless it's a sunday and you're Amish ;)
13:17<acidtop>amish ?
13:18<norbert_>acidtop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
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13:18<bouke>bremner : look at http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p3 scroll down until you see the fstab code box, maybe it's usefull for the solution
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13:19<jmeyer>sheldonh: regaring msttcorefonts. don't i just add "non-free" to a mirror in sources.list, then do "aptitude update", and then install it? nothing comes up.
13:19<acidtop>norbert thanks; i know who they are , i didnt know what you ment.
13:20<bouke>bremner : but instead of putting it after the line with hda1 i'f put it in the line of /dev/mapper/Server-root /
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13:20<fxiny>jmeyer: add contrib
13:20<sheldonh>jmeyer: contrib, not non-free
13:21<sheldonh>jmeyer: it can make sense to include contrib without non-free, but it doesn't make much sense to include non-free without contrib
13:21<bremner>bouke: did you choose lvm during your install?
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13:21<Donno>bouke: did you solve the prob?
13:21<jmeyer>OK, that did it. thanks.
13:21<sheldonh>jmeyer: once you've broken into someone's house, you may as well help yourself to a beer :)
13:21<fxiny>bouke: have you tried `mount -o remount,rw /devxxxx ?
13:21<jmeyer>h!
13:21<bouke>bremner : yes i did
13:21<jmeyer>ha!
13:22<bremner>bouke: OK, that makes life more complicated now.
13:22<jmeyer>thx for the help. off to test it out.
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13:22<bremner>Does anyone know of an lvm enabled rescue disk? Or should bouke reinstall?
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13:23<bouke>fxiny the mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 doesnt give an error but still on readonly
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13:25<bremner>fxiny, bouke: I don't think /dev/hda1 is what you want. if you have chose lvm, then /dev/hda1 is not an ext3 filesystem
13:25<bremner>(most likely)
13:25<fxiny>lvm ?
13:25<fxiny>hmmm
13:25<sheldonh>bouke: please pastebin the output of fdisk /dev/hda
13:26<acidtop>fdisk -l
13:26<sheldonh>thanks, fdisk -l /dev/hda, bouke
13:27<bouke>in rescue now :( fdisk unknown
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13:27<bremner>bouke: as a global point, I don't think you will be able to follow the cookbook for "perfect etch" if you choose different install options.
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13:28<bremner>bouke: boot into single user mode
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13:29<bouke>bremner indeed i did lvm instead of cookbook
13:29<sheldonh>no fdisk in the rescue shell?!
13:29<sheldonh>perfect etch < lvm
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13:32<fxiny>bouke: was it working before adding quota ?
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13:34<bouke>fxiny yeah great install installed nvidia driver and webserver was upo
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13:36<Franki>I'm trying to build the mrxvt from source. in it INSTALL file, it say "you need automake, autoconf and libtool". Now I'm wondering which version of automake I should install, as there are 4 partially incompatible versions in etch: 1.4, 1.7, 1.8 and 1.9.
13:36<fxiny>Franki: which mrxvt version ? are you on etch ? cause sources are buggy
13:37<Franki>fxiny: yes, I'm on etch. I'm trying to build the 0.5.3 version
13:38<Franki>which has many bugfixes. Also, I wan't a custom mrxvt where both mrxvt and mrxvt-mini are not good enough
13:39<fxiny>Franki: first of all fix rxvt.h at 1235 line : change MAX_NFONTS to MAX_PROFILES
13:39<fxiny>Franki: then pacth it with no-scroll-with-buffer-mrxvt-0.5.3.patch
13:39<Franki>fxiny: ok. wait a minute
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13:40<sheldonh>Franki, fxiny: backport?
13:40<fxiny>sheldonh: i ain't seen any
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13:40<sheldonh>fxiny: sorry, i meant it as a verb, not a noun :)
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13:41<sheldonh>fxiny: seems to me leveraging the existing debian source package would save a lot of effort
13:41<Franki>sheldonh: hmm, would be a good idea. I basically need the mrxvt-mini version, but with the MOUSE_WHELL enabled
13:41<fxiny>sheldonh: sid is buggy as well cause mainstream are buggy . unless they fixed up that line
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13:42<fxiny>sheldonh: if you start sid with a rc file with more then (iirc) 20 profiles it segfault
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13:43<sheldonh>fxiny: smells like #448074: profileN: N > 5 with initProfile causes mem fault abort
13:43<matze>hello
13:44<sheldonh>fxiny: sounds like you could supply a patch on that bug :)
13:44<matze>i have some problems here. i'm running debian etch. my webcam (Philips PCVC675K WebCam) does not work
13:44<fxiny>sheldonh: nope etch sources are fine , there is a 5 tabs limit on etch and 15 on sid . i have 20 cause i don't feel for more
13:44<fxiny>sheldonh: i was using sarge mrxvt since last month
13:45<sheldonh>fxiny: the bug is for sid, though. so it sounds like your fix would be useful to the maintainer?
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13:45<matze>so can somebody help me with this?
13:46<fxiny>sheldonh: is not my fix . no credit to me
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13:46<fxiny>sheldonh: i'm tryning to get the url (google) back , i already told someone here
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13:47<fxiny>sheldonh: credit to http://www.nabble.com/Bug-in-mrxvt-5.3-(and-a-patch).-td12431989.html
13:48<sheldonh>fxiny: will you update debian bts?
13:48<fxiny>sheldonh: all i can say is : it works flawlessy on etch
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13:49<fxiny>sheldonh: is not fixed upstream already , unless Franki will tell us that line has changed
13:49<sheldonh>fxiny: you sure it's not in svn upstream?
13:49<fxiny>sheldonh: no idea . i'm running it since two maybe three weeks
13:49<johns>Is linux-latest-2.6 the most appropriate place for filing kernel bugs -- there is a module conflict on my 2.6.23 lenny system
13:50<johns>err 2.6.22 :)
13:50<fxiny>sheldonh: i've checked etch sources and they are fine
13:50<fxiny>sheldonh: i mean thee is no mistyping like that
13:50<pequatre>hi. i'm using an old dell optiplex with a 3c905C ethernet card and Debian 4.0. I'd like to know if or when the following patch is applied: http://www.mail-archive.com/netdev@vger.kernel.org/msg29543.html . How can i tell if the patch has been merged into the kernel, and if the one i'm using includes it ? thank you.
13:51<sheldonh>fxiny: i don't get why you keep talking about etch. the bug's in sid, right?
13:51<matze>nobody?
13:51<DaCapn>can anyone say what the real difference is between the free nvidia driver and the proprietary nvidia driver in terms of operation. People seem to just say "I recommend you use the proprietary driver" and nothing else
13:51<fxiny>sheldonh: yes . but because to get more then 5 etch tabs you must recompile i've checked etch sources for the same bug . sid has a 15 tabs limit
13:52<sheldonh>matze: perhaps if you provided some detail, someone would be able to help
13:52<matze>sheldonh: what do you need to know?
13:52<fxiny>sheldonh: i wanted more .so i did my google and i found that url . the day after i came in chan telling this story
13:52<matze>sheldonh: im running debian etch with 2.6.18-5-686 (smp)
13:52<Franki>fxiny, sheldonh: thanks for the bug fixes on mrxvt. But my initial question remains unanswered. which automake do I have to install for mrxvt?
13:52<sheldonh>DaCapn: the free driver doesn't do direct rendering, so it's 3d acceleration sucks. so for opengl, the proprietary driver helps
13:53<sheldonh>matze: google for: smart questions
13:54<matze>hahaha
13:54<sheldonh>matze: a good way to reframe "it doesn't work" is "i'm doing W with program X, i expect to see Y but instead i see Z"
13:55<matze>so i try to run my webcam with kopete. lsusb tells me: Philips PCVC675K WebCam [pwc].
13:55<fxiny>Franki: it compiles fine on etch . you need to install loads of packages but no automake
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13:55<fxiny>Franki: apt-cache policy automake > Installed: (none)
13:55<matze>the cam is shown in kopete. but i only see a black picture.
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13:57<sheldonh>matze: is it a uvc webcam?
13:57<Franki>fxiny: ok, so automake is not needed. what are with the other mentioned things: autoconf and libtool? are they required?
13:57<matze>sheldonh: excuse me. what is this?
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13:58<sheldonh>matze: usb video device class
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13:58<matze>sheldonh: yes. it is an usb webcam
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13:59<sheldonh>matze: have you installed uvcvideo kernel modules?
13:59<matze>sheldonh: hmm. i don't know what this is. so i think i didn't
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14:00<fxiny>Franki: you want libx11-6 libx11-dev libxtst6 at least
14:00<SyndriX>good evening
14:00<SyndriX>to all
14:01<SyndriX>i have also a question regarding webcam
14:01<sheldonh>matze: i installed the linux-uvc-source package, then built the kernel modules with module-assistant, modprobe'd uvcvideo and it worked for me
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14:01<fxiny>Franki: start ./configure and read the error
14:02<Azoff>Has anyone got RaLink RT2561/RT61 to work in Ethc?
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14:03<fxiny>Franki: the line i used is : ./configure --enable-everything --disable-debug --with-max-profiles=20 --with-max-term=20 --with-tab-radius=0 . i hate rounded tabs
14:04<matze>sheldonh: i installed them, plugged out the cam und modprobed the modules, plugged in the cam. now lsusb hangs
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14:05<fxiny>Franki: i believe aptitude install libx11-dev should pull most of them
14:05<Franki>fxiny: thanks. I guess there is also an option to enable the MOUSE_WHEEL. I have not yet looked into the mrxvt code extensibly
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14:05<sheldonh>matze: check /var/log/syslog for module registration output (would be nice to know that the driver noticed the camera, at least)
14:06<fxiny>mouse wheel was working when i checked on my spare box , no wheels allowed on this one :P
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14:10<fxiny>5 tabs like in etch are not enough . sid 15 are even too much . i believe 9 is the right number cause alt+n switches tabs , i wanted to check a 20 something but i use only 8 . screen take care of more
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14:11<fxiny>gnome has 8 limit , can't remember kde but in mrxvt there are macro for more
14:13<dserban_>Can one mount a tar.gz file?
14:14<bremner>dserban_: err, maybe after some effort, but why do you want to?
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14:15<dserban_>because it effectively doubles the disk space usage and I want to "rm" a few files from an archive... seems like that would be a straight-forward way of doing it.
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14:16<bremner>dserban_: e.g. ark can do that.
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14:17<dserban_>yes indeed you're right.
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14:17<matze>sheldonh: so the modules are registred. but same problem
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14:18<sheldonh>matze: any evidence that the modules detected the device?
14:19<matze>sheldonh: hmm no. the device is shown again with [pwc]
14:20<fxiny>Franki: is it working ?
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14:21<sheldonh>matze: i don't know whaat that means
14:22<matze>sheldonh: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/usb/media/uvcvideo.ko is loaded
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14:24<matze>sheldonh: usbcore: registered new driver uvcvideo
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14:25<muhkuh>http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/563
14:25<muhkuh>the error message
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14:25<matze>sheldonh: but it is the same problem again. i can see the webcam in kopete, but black picture only
14:27<sheldonh>matze: you sure your camera's uvc-compliant? on my system, when i modprobe uvcvideo, i get uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Laptop Integrated Webcam (05a9:2640)
14:27<matze>sheldonh: hm oh so it isn't
14:28<matze>sheldonh: it uses the pwc module. the module is already loaded.
14:28<sheldonh>matze: ah. don't know anything about that, sorry
14:28<matze>hm okay
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14:29<muhkuh>do i have to delete the old version first?
14:29<muhkuh>to install that new one
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14:35<bremner>muhkuh: it looks like your wine packages are from different sources and do not play well together. All I know is that 0.9.53 is in unstable
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14:36<bremner>muhkuh: what debian version are you running BTW?
14:36<gidna>hi
14:37<gidna>after Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel. I receive PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource
14:37<gidna>what's the problem?
14:37<muhkuh>Debian 4.0 Etch
14:39<muhkuh>i made every update
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14:39<bremner>muhkuh: did you have wine installed from debian repos before? Then I guess you have to delete the old package
14:40<muhkuh>yes that's what i did
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14:40<muhkuh>so i'll delete and try to install nu
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14:40<bremner>muhkuh: you can always get the etch version back
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14:42<muhkuh>what's de difference between delete and completely delet?
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14:42<muhkuh>in synaptic
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14:42<mentor>muhkuh: Keeps configuration files.
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14:43<muhkuh>puh that was close i was just about to push the button =)
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14:46<muhkuh>how can i get myself into the sudeors file please?
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14:47<petemc>muhkuh: visudo
14:47<bremner>mukuh: man visudo
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14:49<sheldonh>i've never understood the point of visudo
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14:49<muhkuh>what sould i do now an't get hepl
14:50<sheldonh>you just edit the fle as root and force the save. what value does visudo add?
14:50<petemc>sanity checking
14:50<muhkuh>ok waht specification?
14:50<sheldonh>ah
14:50<muhkuh>and what alias
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14:56<cjiro>......
14:56<Supaplex>!.....
14:56<dpkg>it has been said that .... is a bong! Filled with one kg!...
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15:01<bewolf>bonsoir tout le monde
15:02<Kalessin>hello bewolf
15:02<muhkuh>it worked =)
15:02<bewolf>ça va bien Kalessin
15:03<bewolf>?
15:03<Kalessin>ouais mais ici on parle anglais :°
15:03<bremner>!tell bewolf about fr
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15:03<bremner>desolé
15:04<bewolf>ok Kalessin
15:04<bewolf>merci bremner
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15:04<David>jj
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15:05<sco50000>does anyone speak english here, please?
15:06<Supaplex>YES!
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15:06<bremner>in a manner of speaking, my good man.
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15:06<Supaplex>next question. ;)
15:06<sco50000>when i try to sudo i get this message: scott is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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15:07<bremner>sco50000: we know
15:07<sco50000>this is a fresh install of 4.0rc2
15:07<Supaplex>sco50000: run apropos sudo
15:07<bremner>sco50000: we are on our way to your house :-)
15:07<fxiny>sco ? :P
15:07<Lynoure>sco50000: fresh install? But you have installed sudo and configured it?
15:07<Supaplex>sco50000: visudo is how you edit the sudoers file. (it respects $EDITOR)
15:08<sco50000>i never specifically installed sudo, it was already there
15:08<sco50000>just not configured
15:08<Supaplex>!info sudo etch
15:08<dpkg>sudo: (Provide limited super user privileges to specific users), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.8p12-4 (etch), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 396 kB
15:08<Supaplex>well something you installed brought it in. 'is optional'
15:09<Lynoure>sco50000: that explain is :) scott is not in /etc/sudoers. As sco50000 said, visudo is the way to go
15:10<sco50000>i'm not sure what to add in visudo
15:10<sco50000>the man page was confusing
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15:12<bremner>!sudoers
15:13<dpkg>sudoers is, like, To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username).
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15:14<sco50000>thanks
15:15<bremner>I would also add: Defaults env_reset,rootpw
15:15<bremner>but that makes the sudo password the root password, which some people think is stupid
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15:16<sco50000>if you're gonna do something as root, it makes sense that it asks you for the root password
15:16*bremner made a convert :-)
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15:23<sheldonh>it's quite remarkable that angband just keeps going on and on and on
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15:24<drmay>i would like to know any geek tv program, can you tell me your favorite?
15:24<Lynoure>sheldonh: real goodness stays as goodness (though I'm more IF person myself)
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15:24<sheldonh>Lynoure: IF?
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15:25<Lynoure>sheldonh: interactive fiction, Infocom was, and Inform & TADS are
15:25<Lynoure>sheldonh: aka text adventures :)
15:25<Supaplex>drmay: mythtv
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15:25<sheldonh>Lynoure: ah. the thinking games. meh :-P
15:26<Nemoder>what is a good light-weight web forum program for debian?
15:27<sheldonh>Nemoder: rforum
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15:28<debbbb>hello all
15:28<debbbb>:)
15:28<Nemoder>sheldonh: thanks
15:29<Supaplex>greetings fine travler
15:29<debbbb>for a intel dual core 2310, should i choose debian4.0 i386 debian4.0amd64?
15:29<sheldonh>Nemoder: it may have been overtaken by beast
15:29<debbbb>i have not find answer in google
15:29<Supaplex>!amd64
15:29<dpkg>i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
15:29<vijay>hiiiiiiiiii
15:30<debbbb>thx :)
15:30<Supaplex>np
15:30<debbbb>so i will need debian/amd64 if i do hard calcul computing in a research lab for example ?
15:31<debbbb>and for madwifi ? does amd64 make trouble ?
15:31<Supaplex>debbbb: sure. I get better performance that way (and my cpu is amd64)
15:31<Supaplex>!tell debbbb -about madwifi
15:31<lupine_85>debbbb: for a desktop, only if you have real need of the benefits of amd64
15:31<lupine_85>e.g. a bunchload of ram
15:32<Supaplex>my /proc/cpuinfo tends to suggest I get more bogomips in amd64 vs x86
15:32<georgiou>hi
15:32<debbbb>thx very very
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15:33<debbbb>i choose i386
15:33<sco50000>when i try to run ndiswrapper with out sudo i get 'bash: ndiswrapper: command not found' why is this?
15:33<debbbb>let install debian ! :)
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15:33<vijay> i hv nokia cdma modem n after some time it disconnected everytime... help me
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15:33<debbbb>bye and thx :)
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15:33<Supaplex>sco50000: it's not in the path
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15:33<Supaplex>sco50000: run sudo which ndiswrapper to see where it's found.
15:34<sco50000>i just did, it's at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper
15:34<Supaplex>that's because /usr/sbin/ is not in your $PATH
15:34<sco50000>ok, thanks for explaining
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15:35<Supaplex>besides, ndiswrapper only runs as root.
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15:36<sco50000>hmm, ndiswrapper is working fine, but when i try modprobe ndiswrapper, it says "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found."
15:37<Supaplex>did you install it correctly?
15:37<Supaplex>!ndiswrapper
15:37<dpkg>i guess ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net.
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15:37<sco50000>#ndiswrapper channel is empty
15:37<sco50000>oops, nvm
15:37<sco50000>got to go to freenode
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15:41<eKKiM>Hi, i have a problem with mysql server..
15:42<eKKiM>even when i add a user wich is allowed from anywhere.. i can't connect to the mysql server
15:42<eKKiM>i only can connect from local..
15:42<Supaplex>is the port listening, and was mysql reloaded after config changes?
15:43<eKKiM>i guess the port is listening cuz i can connect from local
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15:43<Supaplex>!think
15:43<dpkg>Don't think. KNOW.
15:43<eKKiM>and how am i sure if the mysql server reloaded?
15:43<eKKiM>we'll i know it listening... :p
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15:44<eKKiM>we'll yea it reloaded..
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15:44<Supaplex>maybe with a unix socket, but maybe not with tcp
15:44<eKKiM>is it possible a firewall blocks it or something??
15:45<Supaplex>the error message might help
15:45<Supaplex>bbiaf
15:45<eKKiM>MySQL Error Nr. 2003
15:45<eKKiM>Can't connect to MySQL server on 'rdtx.sytes.net' (111)
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15:46<eKKiM>doing this local..
15:46<eKKiM>robin@RDTx:~$ nc 127.0.0.1 3306
15:46<eKKiM>F
15:46<eKKiM>5.0.32-Debian_7etch4-log�Y{}%;;Sq,_giY_Uk:|$<A
15:46<eKKiM>so it works local..
15:46<eKKiM>but not over internet..
15:46<eKKiM>or even local network
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15:49<eKKiM>is it possible that my mysql server only listens on localhost and not my other ip?
15:50<Supaplex>netstat should sort that out
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15:51<seanius>eKKiM: that's the default
15:51<seanius>eKKiM: grep bind-address /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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15:52<eKKiM>aah tyvm =)
15:52<eKKiM>will change it and test it again
15:52<sheldonh>eKKiM: as always, the first place to look is he package's README.Debian
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15:53<eKKiM>there are so much packages..
15:53<eKKiM>isn't there a website with search option?
15:53<sheldonh>eKKiM: i mean, before asking questions about a specific package, check out that specific package's README.Debian
15:54<eKKiM>oh ok..
15:54<eKKiM>will do that next time
15:54<sheldonh>eKKiM: i'm not suggesting you read /usr/share/doc/*/README.Debian* before using your debian box ;)
15:54<eKKiM>hehe ;o
15:54<eKKiM>=)
15:54<eKKiM>how do i rehash mysql??
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15:57<seanius>eKKiM: you should be able to just comment out the bind-address line (it will default to listening on all addresses)
15:57<seanius>and then /etc/init.d/mysql restart
15:58<seanius>and you might want to look into getting some firewall rules in place to limit who can talk to your mysql server if your machine is internet accessible
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16:02<eKKiM>tyvm
16:02<eKKiM>works fine now =)
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16:08<acutedeath>i'm going to be trying to set up a wireless card using ndiswrapper, has anyone here done so successfully? Any advice?
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16:20<dpkg>i heard ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net.
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17:02<crazyb0y>how can i update to kde4 on lenny/sid ?
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17:03<lupine_85>crazyb0y: they're in experimental
17:03<lupine_85>the Debian KDE page has details
17:03<vampir>всем привет)
17:03<vampir>hi all
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17:04<vampir>как в убунте 1251 поставить?
17:05<crazyb0y>i tried with experimental but i can't do aptitude -t experimental install kde... kde...
17:05<crazyb0y>they are umet deps
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17:08<crazyb0y>lupine_85: can you give me a url for that please
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17:17<lupine_85>http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
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18:23<sco50000>when i use the add/remove programs or a package manager, when i try to remove some KDE apps, it tells me it will automatically remove kde, kde-devel, and a few others like that. will this actually remove KDE?
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18:24<themill>sco50000: no, these are metapackages just to make it easier to install all of kde.
18:25<themill>!install kde
18:25<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
18:25<themill>sco50000: ^^ (and the reverse is true for uninstalling things)
18:25<sco50000>but if i remove the kde package, kde remains intact?
18:26<themill>sco50000: yes. It's fine to do that. If, in a later version of Debian, the KDE team introduces a new set of KDE packages you just won't get the automatically, that's all.
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18:27<sco50000>ok, thanks
18:28<themill>np
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18:30<sco50000>there are certain things in the K Menu that i can't get rid of with the KDE Menu Editor. specifically stuff under the debian folder
18:31<sco50000>it goes away in the Menu editor, when i go into the menu it's still there, and if i restart the Menu editor, it's there again
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18:33<themill>sco50000: the debian menu is managed in an entirely different way to the rest of the K menu. I've never tried customising it though.
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18:34<sco50000>do you know where i can go to customize it?
18:35<themill>sco50000: take a read through "man update-menus" and perhaps the debian menu policy.
18:36<bigpalabra>h
18:36<bigpalabra>hi
18:36<bigpalabra>somebody know where can I get some help ?
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18:37<sco50000>what is the 'lost+found' folder for?
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18:38<gsimmons>!lost+found
18:38<dpkg>[lost+found] created by the mklost+found program, or where recovered information goes after repairing a disk (bits of files usually)
18:38<themill>sco50000: in the menu? for items that seem to have been misplaced. i.e. they should be put somewhere but noone has specified where they should be
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18:39<sco50000>themill: no, i mean /lost+found
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18:39<themill>sco50000: ahh... then see dpkg's last bit. (You will also see a lost+found in the menu... and you were just asking about menus....)
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18:43<sco50000>is there an ntfs-3g pakage for debian anywhere? i couldn't seem to find one, but i want to mount my xp partition
18:43<gsimmons>!tell sco50000 -about ntfs-3g
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18:50<sco50000>compiz works fin with KDE, right?
18:50<sco50000>fine*
18:51<sco50000>because, there are compiz-gnome and compiz-gtk packages but i didn't notice any compiz-kde package
18:52<themill>only if you replace the kwin window manager with the compiz one. And who would want to do that?
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19:30<sco50000>is iceweasel built by debian?
19:31<kop>sco50000 : Yes.
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19:33<bernardo>hello
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19:34<themill>sco50000: everything that you install using apt is built by debian. (almost... there are a couple of exceptions in non-free)
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19:35<schmichael>i just got my a lg rumor phone w/ bluetooth... i've never used bluetooth before. can i just get a bluetooth usb adapter and start doing fun things with my phone? :)
19:35<schmichael>s/got my a/got a/
19:36<gcs>How can I embed ifeq into an if in a Makefile?
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19:37<gcs>An example would be appreciated.
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19:39<bernardo>is it safe to remove what the command 'apt-get autoremove' removes???
19:40<kop>gcs: You may find something in "info make".
19:40<schmichael>bernardo: in my case (debian/sid), no
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19:40<schmichael>it would remove some part of openoffice and gnome
19:41<schmichael>however, any libraries it reports should be safe to remove
19:41<themill>bernardo: depends.... if you have always used aptitude, then probably. If you are moving from old apt-get without autoremove to the newer one, then ... be afraid.
19:41<gcs>kop: I get something like a manpage and nothing more. Is it the same for you or I'm a lame beginner with info?
19:41<themill>bernardo: or at least mark some important packages as being manually installed ;)
19:42<schmichael>themill: how do you manually mark packages?
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19:44<themill>schmichael: for your example, "apt-get install gnome" (or aptitude install gnome) should be sufficient to stop it trying to uninstall gnome.
19:44<kop>gcs: I bet the make docs are now in non-free due to the GFDL.
19:44<kop>gcs: The info docs.
19:44<themill>kop, gcs: indeed, make-doc is in non-free
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19:45<gcs>kop: Argh. I'm a DD, but sometimes I'm out of GFDL.
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19:47<snogglethorpe>themill: ???
19:47<themill>snogglethorpe: !!!
19:47<snogglethorpe>themill: if you've never used aptitude before, _no_ packages should be marked "automatically installed"
19:47<snogglethorpe>themill: so it shouldn't try to remove any of them
19:48*schmichael uses synaptic & apt-get on his desktop
19:48<neant>.. hey i have a stupid question it's not really related to debian BUT.. i installed xmame-sdl with apt-get and i cant find a way to disable sound during gameplay hehe.. so if someone know pls tell me ?
19:48<themill>snogglethorpe: that's not normally what people experience when moving from apt-get to aptitude under sarge or etch.
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19:48<themill>!tell neant about multiple ask
19:48<snogglethorpe>themill: I think you're wrong
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19:49<snogglethorpe>themill: there have been a few cases of bugs causing problems in the past, but the normal behavior is quite safe
19:50<kop>snogglethorpe : Apparently apt-get has aptitude-like markauto (etc) features in lenny, so people who start with lenny will have um-auto stuff if they use apt.get. I think.
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19:50<snogglethorpe>kop: then moving between clients should be even more seamless
19:50<bleach>anyone know the syntax to add someone to AOP list in bitchx?
19:51<snogglethorpe>themill: but at this point saying "moving to aptitude is dangerous!!" is just FUD or cluelessness
19:51<themill>snogglethorpe: I've seen it myself on a number of boxes and others have come here with the same problem -- moving to aptitude (or the new apt-get) can generate a large list of autoremoves.
19:51<themill>snogglethorpe: Please quote where I said that.
19:51<themill>snogglethorpe: I use aptitude exclusively and recommend that others do the same.
19:52<kop>themill, snogglethorpe : Isn't there something on the apt-get/aptitude transition in the etch release notes which mention the "auto" feature and how to transition?
19:52<snogglethorpe>themill: themill: bernardo: depends.... if you have always used aptitude, then probably. If you are moving from old apt-get without autoremove to the newer one, then ... be afraid.
19:52<themill>and read the next line
19:53<themill>and I never dissed aptitude. Please don't put words in my mouth. Or keyboard :)
19:53<snogglethorpe>themill: that doesn't change your implication -- it simply gives advice about how to work around "the problem"
19:54<snogglethorpe>themill: maybe you didn't intended to, and maybe you love aptitude, but you seem to be repeating outdated misinformation
19:54<themill>which seems to exist. Saying that it doesn't isn't really helpful when a lot of people are coming here with it.
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19:55<themill>kop: yes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-handle-conflict
19:55<snogglethorpe>themill: i dunno about irc, but every time this crops up on the mailing lists, there's very little concrete evidence forthcoming -- mostly problems with aptitude seem to stem from the aptitude "resolver" acting funny in the case of broken archive dependecies
19:55<snogglethorpe>themill: (which is annoying to be sure, but has little to do with moving from apt-get or synaptics)
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19:57<snogglethorpe>themill: almost _always_ the people crying "aptitude will remove my packages!" end up to be simply repeating a rumor they heard somewhere
19:57<themill>snogglethorpe: On an old sarge box that I had been using apt-get on, I started using aptitude and experienced this problem. Similarly on a box that had been upgraded from sarge->etch. I have no first hand experience of this problem with fresh etch installs as I have always used aptitude on them to prevent this being a problem.
19:58<snogglethorpe>themill: do you have enough information to actually know what was going on?
19:58<thepretender84> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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19:58<snogglethorpe>themill: btw, sorry i have to go to work soon, so can't continue this conversation
19:58<themill>snogglethorpe: this is when those releases were "stable" so it shouldn't be a dep problem. And since I no longer have those images around, I can't poke further.
19:59<themill>snogglethorpe: no worries... I really should go to sleep (0100 here....)
19:59<themill>snogglethorpe: happy hunting ;)
19:59<snogglethorpe>themill: lol 1000 here
19:59<snogglethorpe>themill: i'm supposed to be at work in 1 minute :-O
19:59<themill>perth?
20:00<snogglethorpe>themill: tokyo
20:00<themill>ahh.... same TZ but different hemisphere :) Enjoy work!
20:02<themill>night all
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20:06<norbert_>hi do ho
20:07<norbert_>I kind of don't get it, xsane hangs when it's scanning for devices, even though it worked fine before
20:07<norbert_>I reinstalled hplip, but that doesn't seem to help
20:08<norbert_>(printing still works)
20:12<kop>norbert_ : Is your user in the "scanner" group (or some such)?
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20:13<norbert_>ren:/etc# cat group|grep scan
20:13<norbert_>scanner:x:110:
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20:14<kop>norbert_ : That might be it then. Remember you need to restart your X session to pick up a change in group.
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20:14<norbert_>kop: okay, I'll give that a shot
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20:17<norbert_>hum, no... that didn't help
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20:17<norbert_>also, when I run hp-check, it hangs on scanimage -L
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20:18<kop>norbert_ : You could lsusb (as root) and/or lspci and then check the permissions on the files in /dev/. I had the same thing happen to me. I don't recall the solution, but do recall struggling with permissions.
20:18<norbert_>but sane-find-scanner does find the printer
20:19<vook>is this an all-in-one?
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20:19<norbert_>ren:/dev/bus/usb/005# ls -l|grep 002
20:19<norbert_>crw-rw-rw- 1 root lp 189, 513 2008-01-21 02:18 002
20:19<norbert_>it can scan and print, yes
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20:22<kop>norbert_ : Maybe you want to be in the lp group? (Just poking at it with a stick.)
20:25<kop>norbert_ :"it worked fine before", before what?
20:25<vook>maybe forget about the hplip tools too and just try to access it without (with gimp, etc...) I dunno either though - It's been a while since I've set up a scanner. Your scanner (being HP) hopefully is decent - but some devices these days are almost like "dumb printers" or "dumb scanners", meaning they rely entirely on the windows drivers for their "brain" - probably not the case with yours though.
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20:26<norbert_>kop: I reinstalled Debian stable
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20:28<norbert_>vook: gimp has acquire -> xsane, but it uses the same dialog to search for devices; btw, I can print fine, it's just the scanner-part that's not working
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20:29<vook>norbert_: have you tried as root? If you can get it to work as root, you can at least isolate it as a permissions issue
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20:30<kop>vook : xsane is not happy as root, iirc.
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20:30<norbert_>I can continue at my own risk as root, tried that, but it gives the same problem (the looking for devices dialog hangs)
20:31<vook>norbert_: is there a module that isn't loaded?
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20:35<norbert_>I ran # SANE_DEBUG_DLL=255 xsane
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20:35<norbert_>and it seems to stop at [dll] init: initializing backend `geniusvp2'
20:36<norbert_>maybe I can disable that one in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf
20:38<kop>I tried plugging in my scanner and can't even figure out what device special file xsane is finding.
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20:38<norbert_>wow, I'm cool
20:39<norbert_>sorry, had to say that ;-) that did the trick
20:39<vook>norbert_: what was it?
20:39<norbert_>I had to comment out (#geniusvp2) in /etc/sane.d/dll.d/libsane-extras
20:39<vook>ooo
20:39<norbert_>and I found that out by running # SANE_DEBUG_DLL=255 xsane
20:40<norbert_>it got stuck at trying to initialize/find that geniusvp2 thing
20:40<vook>well done sir
20:40<norbert_>(the SANE backend for the Genius ColorPage-Vivid Pro II flatbed scanner)
20:41<norbert_>yep, another problem fixed, and learned something along the way
20:41<kop>norbert_ : Better file a bug report. If you've done something that will bite you later you'll probably get hit with t cluestick that way.
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20:42<witte>Hello, can anyone help me with making a bluetooth network between my smarthphone and my debian box?
20:42<norbert_>kop: yes, I will file a bug report
20:42<witte>I have followed this http://www.howtoforge.com/bluetooth_pand_debian_etch (and some other stuff), but i get the following lines in /var/log/syslog
20:42<witte>Jan 21 02:39:58 edison hcid[7567]: link_key_request (sba=00:11:67:9D:6E:2E, dba=00:1E:45:AA:4C:FF)
20:43<witte>Jan 21 02:39:58 edison pand[7629]: Connection failed. Connection refused(111)
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21:02<MrAlk3>im installing debian on a newly built desktop. intel mobo with intel core 2 due proc. all my hardware works, as ive tried it with a windows install and with a few live cds. i cannot get the debian net install disk to recognize my cdrom drive when it loads/mounts the cdrom at the beginning of install
21:02<MrAlk3>what can i do to figure out what is wrong?
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21:03<MrAlk3>IDE Cdrom as slave to IDE hd
21:03<saratogacx>Hi everybody
21:04<TBBle>Is the CDrom PATA or SATA?
21:04<vook>MrAlk3: so you are booting to the cdrom and then the install process doesn't find the cdrom?
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21:05<MrAlk3>vook: i can boot it, but when it needs to mount it, and load the right modules for the cdrom, it doesnt find any existing module to load for my cdrom
21:06<vook>MrAlk3: possibly debian doesn't have a module for your IDE controller.
21:06<witte>MrAlk3: maybe try the 2.6.23 etch kernel
21:06<vook>you may need to load third-party modules
21:06<witte>!tell MrAlk3 about etch 2.6.23
21:07<TBBle>!tell TBBle about etch 2.6.23
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21:07<vook>!tell vook about etch 2.6.22
21:07<vook>ack!
21:07<TBBle>Oh, cool. Glad to know that's a factoid.
21:07<MrAlk3>thanks Witte, vook
21:08<Gekz>!tell Gekz about etch 2.6.23
21:08<witte>!selftell
21:08<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
21:08<vook>oops, thanks witte
21:08<Gekz>!tell witte to stop abusing the bot :D
21:09<witte>!beer Gekz
21:09*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for Gekz
21:09<saratogacx>Anyone here an expert w/ ACPI and X... I've got an annoying problem
21:10<vook>just ask the question saratogacx
21:11<saratogacx>Every time my computer goes to sleep to wake it up I need to restart my xserver (ctrl-alt-backspace). losing my login session.
21:11<saratogacx>How would I go about trying to fix this?
21:13<saratogacx>Oh, I'm running the nvidia driver on an FX5200
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21:26<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
21:27<acutedeath>Is there any reason that an executable file that I can clearly see will not execute? I'm getting command not found from every shell I have, but I can see the damn thing is my working directory.
21:27<acutedeath>Hi Ethaniel
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21:27<saratogacx>Do you get the same thing if you do ./ExeName ?
21:27-!-vook [~vook@69-39-159-47.rev.dslindiana.net] has joined #debian
21:27<acutedeath>I will try
21:28<acutedeath>well I'll be damned. That worked, thank you. I was about to started ripping things
21:28<acutedeath>Is that how things normally operate?
21:29<saratogacx>as long as I've been using it.
21:29<Ethaniel>I recently installed Debian on one of my PCs, and since I have a mind tainted with Windows, I'll ask some questions that probably will be very stupid to you, so, please be patient.
21:29<acutedeath>I've never used an OS that worked that way, I've mostly used SunOS
21:29<saratogacx>Solaris?
21:29<acutedeath>as far as Unix types go
21:29<acutedeath>yep
21:30<saratogacx>This should be prtty close.. what's your questin?
21:30<saratogacx>**question
21:30<lupine_85>acutedeath: the executable wan't in your $PATH :p
21:30<Ethaniel>I installed IceWM a few minutes ago, but every time I try to run it, I get this thing:
21:30<acutedeath>should I have "." in my $PATH ? or is that stupid?
21:30<Ethaniel>"X must be running and $DISPLAY set"
21:31<Ethaniel>Tried "startx", but didn't worked.
21:31<vook>acutedeath: no!
21:31<lupine_85>It's a potential security risk
21:31<saratogacx>You get used to using ./
21:31<vook>acutedeath: if you need to run something not in your path, just use ./program
21:32<acutedeath>Oh. I've always just compiled my toy, and then typed the name of the executable to run. This ./program thing seems foreign, but I guess I will have to adapt
21:32<saratogacx>Ethaniel, do you have X running? or are you stuck in console land?
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21:32<acutedeath>Is it a Debian thing? or a Linux thing?
21:32<lupine_85>acutedeath: Linux thing
21:33<acutedeath>ok ty
21:33<Ethaniel>Console land, for now.
21:33<vook>Ethaniel: you need to update your alternatives for icewm to be default. You can create a .dmrc, or load xinit, then run 'icewm &'
21:33<lupine_85>Ethaniel: IceWM requires X to run
21:34<Ethaniel>So X is not present? How can that be? Maybe I made a mistake installing Debian......
21:34<saratogacx>What errors are you getting when you run startx ?
21:34<vook>Ethaniel: X is present, but icewm doesn't load it, it runs on top of X
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21:34<Ethaniel>"command not found" (I sound like an idiot, I know....)
21:35<lupine_85>apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core ?
21:35<acutedeath>don't be ashamed I just came here for "command not found" moments ago!
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21:35<saratogacx>When you did you install did you select the desktop enviroment package?
21:36<Ethaniel>No.
21:36<Ethaniel>I thought it would install KDE and GNOME with that.
21:36<saratogacx>only Gnome
21:37<Ethaniel>So Gnome is necessary to run IceWM then?
21:37<vook>Ethaniel: here's a tip: If you just installed something, and you don't know how to run it - install good ol' midnight commander (aptitude install mc) - then run mc - browse to the /var/cache/apt/archives directory, and open the .deb file for the package you just installed, browse around until you find a bin directory (usually usr/bin), the files located there give a clue as to what command to run.
21:37<Ethaniel>(taking notes...)
21:37<vook>you shouldn't need gnome.
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21:38<saratogacx>Gnome isn't needed but you do need X. the desktop package gives you that. You can still install X from where you're at
21:38<lupine_85>vook: ever heard of apt-file ?
21:38<lupine_85>trust me, it's much easier than your method
21:38<lupine_85>even dpkg -L
21:38<Ethaniel>apt-get and aptitude.
21:38<TBBle>Or even dpkg -L 'packagename' | grep 'bin'
21:38<vook>lupine_85: I'll check it out :) I love mc though.
21:38<vook>thanks
21:38<lupine_85>fail :p
21:38<saratogacx>you can try apt-get install xorg and that should get you closer to your goal of IceWM goodness
21:39<TBBle>Unless you're looking at bind, in which case grep 'bin' will be somewhat more exuberant than intended.
21:39<lupine_85>I bet you're using netcat for IRC too, aren't you? ;)
21:39<Ethaniel>Okay, I'll try that now. The computer is next to me.
21:39<vook>lupine_85: no, irssi
21:39<lupine_85>;)
21:40<saratogacx>sigh.. I feel noobish now.. I'm using xchat on my tablet
21:40<Ethaniel>Okay, it's downloading. Looks scary.
21:40<saratogacx>x. is. big
21:40<vook>lupine_85: the #debian guidelines page doesn't say I can't confuse people with ancient curses apps :) Really though - I love mc
21:41<lupine_85>it's just such a convoluted way of doing it
21:42<vook>I believe you ;)
21:42<acutedeath>Has anyone here used "rt2x00 project" drivers for a wireless adapter of any kind? I've tried to get them going for hours, but I'm fairly lost. I fear they may be a bit too obscure to get help here.
21:42<lupine_85>acutedeath: I've used them extensively
21:42<lupine_85>and they're the card type that rms recommends you use, so hardly obscure ;)
21:42<lupine_85>do you know what chipset your card is?
21:43<sco50000>is there any way i can decode a .wma to a standard .wav?
21:43<acutedeath>oh, awesome
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21:43<acutedeath>it's rt2500
21:43<acutedeath>a linksys wmp54g to be specific
21:43<saratogacx>sorry I use an intel 2100 (ipw2100)
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21:43<lupine_85>well, you can either use the 'legacy' rt2500 driver for that, or the 'next-generation' (but rather buggy, still) rt2x00 driver
21:44<lupine_85>they're in rt2x00-source and rt2x00-source, respectively
21:44<Nemoder>sco50000: you could probably do that with mencoder
21:44<lupine_85>just m-a a-i the appropriate one
21:45<lupine_85>I would recommend trying rt2x00 first; and if that doesn't work well enough, you can fall back to rt2500
21:45<sco50000>Nemoder: i can't find a mencoder package
21:45<Nemoder>sco50000: it's part of mplayer, you would need to enable debian-multimedia repo
21:45<acutedeath>oh, there's a "rt2x00-source" literally? I tried the "rt2500-source" package.
21:46<lupine_85>they both should exist
21:46<acutedeath>after "module-assistant auto-install rt2500-source" I did an "ifconfig -a" but my device doesn't show up
21:46<lupine_85>you need to depmod -a; then modprobe rt2500
21:47<lupine_85>you should then have an ra0 interface
21:47<acutedeath>hmm, I don't know those commands, I will check it out
21:48<lupine_85>you literally type: depmod -a (which recalculates kernel module dependencies for you); then modprobe rt2500 (which loads the rt2500 kernel module)
21:48<acutedeath>I tried to follow these instructions: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_rt2500_Howto
21:48<lupine_85>or you could reboot to get it loaded in automatically, but that's pretty pointless
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21:48<acutedeath>oh I tried reboot many times, no change
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21:49<Davidb>Hello, does the lastest version of Etch (NetInst) support the 3Ware 9690SA (SAS Raid cards)?
21:49<Ethaniel>Okay, it's finished. I got a message about "only keep the resolutions you want X server to use" or something like that.
21:49<Ethaniel>But the list was empty.
21:49<lupine_85>hmm. is the kernel module installed? do you get any errors in the output of `dmesg` ?
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21:49<saratogacx>just for kicks, what happens when you do startx now?
21:50<acutedeath>is 'dmesg' a command that I should run?
21:50<lupine_85>yep
21:50<lupine_85>right after modprobe rt2500
21:50<Davidb>any one?
21:50<Ethaniel>Oh my! I have a cursor now!
21:50<saratogacx>David, no clue
21:50<lupine_85>you'll get a slew of output, most of which will be irrelevant
21:50<acutedeath>I have a slew of hard-drive errors omg
21:51<lupine_85>heh
21:51<wide>I set aside an unused partition for encyrption, is cryptmount the package I should be using to set up the partition? On etch. thnx
21:51<lupine_85>also, does lsmod |grep rt2500 show anything?
21:51<Ethaniel>Well, I have a graphic environment now.
21:51<Ethaniel>Looks a lot like Damn Small Linux.
21:51<Ethaniel>Is that X or IceWM?
21:52<lupine_85>X, probably
21:52<sco50000>Nemoder: thanks
21:52<lupine_85>if you get back to a terminal you can run DISPLAY=:0 <gui command here> to get an app running
21:52<acutedeath>yeah the lsmod show it
21:53<acutedeath>I'm concerned about the dmesg output, those errors seem ugly
21:53<lupine_85>you're certain your card is rt2500? Can you give me the pci:id? (lspci -n should give you this)
21:54<bernardo>where is your background image stored? not the file per se, but, how the system knows which image to load? is it a environment variable?
21:54<lupine_85>humm. lspci -nn would be better though :D
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21:54<saratogacx>bernardo, what context are we talking about?
21:54<lupine_85>acutedeath: they're something I /can't/ help with, sorry
21:55<acutedeath>1814:0301
21:55<bernardo>saratogacx: i want to know if there is an environment variable that stores the path of the background image to load at startup
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21:55<saratogacx>acutedeath, try searching for the errors on google or something.. they're probably just debug output that doesn't mean anything serious.
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21:55<saratogacx>oh, sorry, barnardo, I'm not sure.. that's probably something to look for in your grub or lilo config (depending on what you're using).
21:56<bernardo>saratogacx: because I want to write a script that loads an random image each login...
21:56<sco50000>Nemoder: hmm. it looks like mencoder is for video
21:56<Nemoder>sco50000: yes, but it can do audio too
21:56<lupine_85>acutedeath: that's RT61, not rt2500
21:56<bernardo>saratogacx: ok i will take a look thanks
21:56<lupine_85>for that, you'll want rt2x00
21:56<sco50000>Nemoder: do you know how to use it?
21:56<saratogacx>welcome, sorry I couldn't help more.
21:56<jagerman>Audio has been part of video for several decades now!
21:56<acutedeath>no wonder !
21:57<Nemoder>sco50000: something like mplayer media.file -ao pcm:file=out.wav
21:57<lupine_85>:D
21:57<acutedeath>yes my lspci clearly says rt2561/rt61
21:57<lupine_85>so m-a a-i rt2x00-source
21:57<Nemoder>sco50000: i guess you don't need mencoder cept to encode it back
21:57<acutedeath>good shit, i guess thats why it didn't come up
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21:58<acutedeath>i shall. that box has no net currently, so I will need to transfer manually
21:59<vook>bernardo: if you are referring to the penguin at boot, that is compiled into the kernel.
21:59<acutedeath>i'm hoping for parallel dependencies
21:59<bernardo>vook: no... I'm refering to the background image on your desktop
21:59<bernardo>vook: wallpaper
22:00<lupine_85>bernardo: that's controlled by your DE
22:00<vook>bernardo: as in gdm? bootsplash? or desktop wallpaper?
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22:01<bernardo>lupine_85: yeah, but HOW is it controlled?
22:01<acutedeath>oh good this should go swimmingly.
22:01<Ethaniel>Okay, I run Aptitude from inside X, did an update, and now it wants to download 124mb of "something". Is that normal?
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22:01<Gekz>I dont see what that has to do with X
22:01<lupine_85>bernardo: typically, a program is loaded that controls the root window and draws the background image for you
22:01<lupine_85>e.g. kdesktop
22:01<Gekz>and is this update
22:01<Gekz>e>_>
22:01<Ethaniel>Actually, it's 37mb.
22:01<lupine_85>if you want to know how it works, I suggest you browse the source code
22:02<angasule>speaking of which, what is one to do if kdesktop crashes? :)
22:02<lupine_85>reload kdesktop
22:02<bernardo>lupine_85: ok...i will do that, thanks
22:02<lupine_85>I've never had it crash on me though
22:02<Ethaniel>124mb is the disk space required.
22:02<angasule>how? running 'kdesktop' in a terminal crashes
22:03<lupine_85>no, it doesn't
22:03<lupine_85>I just tested it
22:03<Ethaniel>I'll reboot just in case.
22:03<lupine_85>killall kdesktop; ctrl+alt+f1; DISPLAY=:0 kdesktop &
22:03<vook>bernardo: what desktop environment are you running?
22:03<tython>I have some question about scim. I can only use it in some applications such as epiphany web browser, but I can not use it in Iceweasel web browser. What is the problem?
22:03<bernardo>vook: gnome
22:03<saratogacx>Ethaniel, I'm not sure what they contain. I always install X by default from the distro installer.
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22:05<vook>bernardo: ya - you could just set the wallpaper to a certain image, then search for that image, it's somewhere in .gnome or .gnome2 I think. Then create your script to just copy over that file every login.
22:05<lupine_85>surely it's configurable?
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22:05<lupine_85>even KDE4 added configurability /eventually/
22:06<lupine_85>though it too 'em long enough... mutter mutter grumble grumble
22:06<lupine_85>took*#
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22:08<Ethaniel>It was XCFE4, it remained tagged from before.
22:09<Ethaniel>My mistake.
22:09<Ethaniel>Fixed it.
22:09<Ethaniel>Now it's downloading Abiword. Looks good.
22:10<saratogacx>Ethanial... Happy camper?
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22:11<Ethaniel>No, it's from an old sci-fi TV show.
22:11<angasule>lupine_85: it crashes for me...
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22:12<lupine_85>*shrug*
22:12<lupine_85>then report a bug
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22:14<acutedeath>lupine_85: I completed to module-assistant build, and now my ifconfig -a showes a device sit0: IPv6-in-IPv4
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22:15<acutedeath>that sounds like the wrong device?
22:15<lupine_85>yeah, that's something else entirely
22:15<lupine_85>you need to depmod -a; modprobe rt61 IIRC
22:15<lupine_85>it might be rt61pci
22:16<acutedeath>hmm, it wasn't there before. OK, doing
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22:18<acutedeath>ok, did depmod -a, did modprobe rt61pci
22:19<acutedeath>now I have more strange devices
22:19<lupine_85>\o/
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22:19<lupine_85>you should have a wmaster0 and a wlan0/ra0/eth1
22:19<lupine_85>again, dmesg will help you out
22:20<acutedeath>ok. i have wmaster0, wlan0, but still no ra0! curses
22:20<lupine_85>wlan0 is the one you wan
22:20<lupine_85>if you do iwconfig, you'll see it has wireless extensions
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22:21<lupine_85>if you do "ifconfig wlan0 up; iwlist wlan0 scan" you'll be able to see nearby wireless networks
22:21<acutedeath>ok. I've very new at linux, compiling drivers, all that stuff, i really appreciate your patience
22:21<lupine_85>np :)
22:21<acutedeath>I've = I'm also
22:21<acutedeath>ok, dmesg is helping, it has a relevant error this time
22:22<lupine_85>eep
22:22<acutedeath>"Error: failed to load firmware" sounds bad
22:23<lupine_85>mm, that's a bit of a PITA
22:23<lupine_85>but fixable
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22:24<lupine_85>install the package firmware-ralink
22:24<lupine_85>it's in non-free
22:24<lupine_85>possibly only sid non-free
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22:24<acutedeath>k
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22:25<lupine_85>in which case, just grab the .deb ( http://the.earth.li/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ralink_0.9_all.deb ) and install it
22:25<acutedeath>whoa you located that quickly
22:26<lupine_85>well, the Filename: in apt-cache show helps a lot
22:26<lupine_85>just append that to a valid debian mirror and you're ready to go
22:26<acutedeath>ah
22:26<Ethaniel>Okay, Abiword is working. It's nice when things work.
22:26<acutedeath>i couldn't find it on the package search so I don't know if it has dependencies that I need to obtain
22:27<acutedeath>but here goes
22:27<lupine_85>it just contains a bunch of binary files
22:27<acutedeath>was my hope
22:27<lupine_85>no Depends:, it Suggests: initramfs-tools, linux-image
22:29<Ethaniel>Can X be customized? Font, size, nothing too fancy....
22:29<lupine_85>Ethaniel: yep
22:30<lupine_85>font size is determined by the application
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22:30<acutedeath>got that firmware in, but I lost track of what I was doing that needed it.
22:30<lupine_85>the kernel uploads it to the card at module loading
22:30<blarson>Ethaniel: font size may depend on the dpi set
22:31<acutedeath>oh
22:31<lupine_85>so ifconfig wlan0 down; modprobe -r rt61pci; modprobe rt61pci
22:31<acutedeath>great
22:31<Ethaniel>It's a terribly old monitor. 640x480.
22:31<lupine_85>that'll remove & reinsert the driver, and get the firmware up
22:31<lupine_85>then try scanning for networks again
22:31<acutedeath>it sucks that I have to walk across the room each time
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22:32<lupine_85>heh
22:32<lupine_85>at least you're getting some exercise
22:33<acutedeath>I need it too: Computer Science major, data entry job
22:33*acutedeath cringes
22:33<lupine_85>lol
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22:36<acutedeath>FRICKIN SWEET! It found the network. But I still don't have ra0, is that a problem?
22:36<lupine_85>no, that's the legacy interface name. You don't need it
22:37<lupine_85>now to connect to the network, you need to feed it's details to iwconfig
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22:37<Linuxian>can anybody help me?
22:37<kop>!tell Linuxian -about ask
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22:37<acutedeath>great, so the device in question will be known as wlan0, for reference? to clarify? I'm a bit muddled
22:37<Linuxian>-about ask
22:37<lupine_85>at a minimum essid; maybe ap (MAC address) and key (wep encryption)
22:37<Linuxian>what?
22:37<lupine_85>acutedeath: yep, wlan0
22:37<vook>Linuxian: ask the question
22:37<lupine_85>wmaster0 is the control interface - you don't need it
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22:38<acutedeath>so, ignore it, or get rid of it somehow (or can I)?
22:38<acutedeath>dumb question nm
22:38<Linuxian>My friend has a Toshiba Satellite A215-S7416 laptop and we can not get the sound working no matter what we do
22:38<lupine_85>just leave it alone :)
22:39<acutedeath>yeah, you are being so helpful i forget to think before asking. OK, i'm going to check out iwconfig man pages, bbiab
22:39<kop>Is there a way, website etc., that I can look at man pages in lenny or sid? I want aptitude to tell me about repos when I search, but don't want to file an enhancement request if it already does this.
22:39<lupine_85>:)
22:39<vook>Linuxian: what have you done?
22:39<kop>Linuxian : (And, of course, what has the box said about what you've done.)
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22:40<Linuxian>well we have installed Alsa drivers up to date and OSS as well
22:41<Linuxian>the box claims when we run alsaconfig or alsamixer that the device does not exist or that the mixer controller does not exist
22:41<Ethaniel>The package for Firefox is just "Firefox", or it's under another name?
22:41<lupine_85>iceweasel, these days
22:41<Linuxian>we even did full system updates
22:41<lupine_85>~= firefox
22:41<vook>Linuxian: are the modules loaded for the chipset ?
22:42<Linuxian>we cant find the chipset version
22:42<lupine_85>Linuxian: as root, does aplay -l list any sound devices?
22:42<Linuxian>but we looked at forum posts about this laptop problem and did what they did but to no avail
22:42<Linuxian>aplay -l shows nothing
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22:43<lontra>how can i make my font red when i switch to root in the konsole? but when i'm a regular user leave it the normal black font?
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22:44<vook>Linuxian: does lspci show any info about the sound card?
22:44<Linuxian>none
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22:45<vook>Linuxian: pastebin your lspci output (and check your bios to make sure sound is enabled)
22:46<acutedeath>alright, I got what I expected out of the iwconfig man pages, more confusion.
22:46<kop>lontra : /root/.bash_profile
22:46<Linuxian>i do not have the laptop near me currently, i have to wait for tommorrow
22:46<Ethaniel>Iceweasel and Firefox are the same?
22:46<Linuxian>we tried to IRC but we were behind a school WIN 2003 server firewall
22:46<Ethaniel>They look identical...
22:46<Linuxian>POS
22:46<vook>Linuxian: then how do you know what 'aplay -l' says or 'lspci'?
22:46<kop>Ethaniel : Yes (for some value of "same">)
22:46<lupine_85>acutedeath: iwconfig wlan0 essid "myessidhere"
22:46<Linuxian>we tried it
22:47<lupine_85>then repeat, but with ap <router's mac address here>
22:47<acutedeath>do I make up something? a name or number?
22:47<Linuxian>Ive been using Linux for awhile
22:47<lontra>kop: then what?
22:47<vook>whatever - ask again when you have the device available.
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22:47<lupine_85>Linuxian: the router should already have an ESSID. iwlist wlan0 scan will show it as the BSSID, IIRC
22:47<lupine_85>no, ESSID, as in: ESSID:"BTHomeHub-8FA1"
22:48<acutedeath>ah, so I tell it what its own number is, in a sense..?
22:48<Linuxian>uhh, what router,? im working with SOUND CARDS
22:48<lupine_85>you tell your card what the router's number is
22:48<kop>lontra : Good question. It gets run when root logs in ('su -' or the like). Mabye stty?
22:48<lupine_85>Linuxian: I'm not talking to you. You're one of 306, you know :p
22:48<acutedeath>OH, i'm so slow
22:48<lupine_85>:D
22:48<Linuxian>oh
22:49<kop>lontra : Lemmie look.
22:49<lontra>kop: thanks ... i'm asking on freenode @ #bash too
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22:51<acutedeath>I'm pretty sure the router is configured to be "open", so no key or whatever.
22:51<lupine_85>you might want to change that at some point in the future
22:52<kop>lontra : There's .Xresources for setting color in xterm, etc. But let's be more generic and see about setting the color in whatever terminal is emulated.
22:52<kop>lupine_85 : I prefer an open wireless.
22:52<acutedeath>I was thinking the same thing. But we live in the middle of nowhere. Someone would have to drive here to get in
22:52<lupine_85>So do I, as long as it doesn't belong to me :p
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22:53<lupine_85>acutedeath: whichever you prefer. It's certainly easier to set up an open wireless :DF
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22:54<acutedeath>Well, I feel like I'm mostly done. set up MAC and ESSID, any loose ends you can think of?
22:54<kop>lontra : Lemmie know if you find something.
22:54<acutedeath>do I need some sort of boot script for this?
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22:55<lupine_85>acutedeath: if you run dhclient wlan0, you should get an IP address, then
22:55<kop>lupine_85 : I feel it's no skin off me if somebody uses some bandwidth. I'm paying for it anyhow. Open is neighborly.
22:55<lupine_85>heh
22:55<lupine_85>You can set up connection in /etc/network/interfaces
22:55<kop>lupine_85 : And hey, if the cops ask, it wasn't me!
22:57<lupine_85>first line: "auto wlan0". Second line: "iface wlan0 inet dhcp". Third line: "wireless-essid <my-essid>". fourth line: "wireless-ap <my-ap>"
22:57<acutedeath>this is great stuff. This chat log is better than college
22:58<acutedeath>thanks and more thanks!
22:58<lupine_85>hehe
22:58<lupine_85>you just got lucky - I've been using these cards for aaaages
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22:59<Ethaniel>So, it seems I have no use for IceWM. X is working fine. Can I remove IceWM?
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22:59<Ethaniel>(Iceweasel works perfect, BTW)
23:00<saratogacx>apt-get remove icewm I think
23:00<lontra>kop: i put this in /root/.bashrc --> _bred="$(tput bold 2> /dev/null; tput setaf 1 2> /dev/null)"; _sgr0="$(tput sgr0 2> /dev/null)"; PS1="\[$_bred\]$PS1\[$_sgr0\]"; unset _bred _sgr0
23:00<Ethaniel>I'll try that.
23:00<lontra>kop: which is basically what openSUSE does
23:00<saratogacx>are you going to use a window manager at all?
23:00<acutedeath>I'm glad I asked that question instead of doing programming assignments, but I'll pay later. no DHCP offers. I might need more info or something, but also wmaster0:unknown hardware address type 801
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23:01<lupine_85>you can ignore that error. as for no dhcp offers... that's a pain. I assumed you have a DHCP server running on the router?
23:01<kop>lontra : I was just looking at tput.
23:01<kop>lontra: That appears to be the right magic.
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23:03<Ethaniel>Eeeeh, bad move. I only have X with a terminal window now. reinstalling IceWM.....
23:03<acutedeath>i really thought so, but I set it up a long while ago, and everything went so smoothly. I don't know details. It's a netgear router, and I think it does that thing where the host is 192.168.0.1 , and clients follow incrementally, but then again that could be universal for all I know.
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23:05<kop>lontra: Although that only changes the prompt to red, not all the text. (Which, come to think of it, is probably a good thing.)
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23:05<lupine_85>acutedeath: hmm
23:05<lupine_85>can you pastebin the output of iwconfig for me?
23:05<lupine_85>!pastebin
23:05<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
23:06<lupine_85>oh, wait. it's across the room
23:06<lupine_85>Do you have a line like: "Link Quality=6/100 Signal level=59/100" in the iwconfig output?
23:07<acecombat>i have a question...when I install packages with synaptics package manager where do they install to?? I have installed Squid and Courier but cannot find entries to start or configure the application in any meny entries
23:07<acecombat>menu*
23:07<lupine_85>acecombat: not all applications have a shiny configure button
23:07<acecombat>how do i configure and start squid and courier?
23:08<kop>acecombat : You can do "dpkg -L squid", to, e.g., see what all files installed in the package.
23:08<acutedeath>how do I obtain the output in question?
23:08<kop>acecombat : It's _always_ a good idea to check /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian
23:08<acecombat>ok thanks
23:08<lupine_85>acutedeath: just run "iwconfig"
23:08<kop>acecombat : You type that dpkg command and press the return key. ?
23:09<acutedeath>if I just run iwconfig, then no, I don't
23:09<lupine_85>you have run "ifconfig wlan0 up", haven't you?
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23:09<lupine_85>hrm. You're still not connected then
23:09<saratogacx>ethaniel, you may want to look at a couple of other WM's too if you want something lean and mean.. you can do flux/blackbox (my personal choice). or one of the plethera of others
23:09<acutedeath>yeah, but I'll do it again for fun
23:09<kop>acecombat : That will give you a heads up on what man pages, programs, etc have installed.
23:09<kop>!xwinman
23:09<dpkg>xwinman is probably http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL!
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23:10<ozatomic>when i try to send mail with attachments using sendmail and uuencode some pdfs are coming through unreadable
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23:11<acecombat>how do I find out where a package has installed to from synaptics as I was not given an option and it is not in the packages default locatioN?
23:11<lupine_85>all packages are installed to /
23:11<lupine_85>dpkg -L will show you what the package contained
23:12<dpkg>ii will show you what the package contained 1.9-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
23:12<lupine_85>/slap dpkg
23:12<cyborg>can
23:13<cyborg>somebody help me to write files biger than 4 GB?
23:13<Ethaniel>Okay, that will be all for today. I have to read a thing or two about IceWM. Thank you all, lupine, everyone. Take care, see you later. :)
23:13<acutedeath>bye, good luck, etc
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23:14<kop>cyborg : That's probably a limit in the filesystem you choose. You may need another partition with a different filesystem. Otherwise, dunno.
23:15<kop>cyborg : jfs is probably happy with big files.
23:15<kop>cyborg : But don't count on my answer, I'm unclear.
23:15<cyborg>in my DL DVD drive :)
23:15<cyborg>kop
23:16<cyborg>big big .mkv files
23:16<blarson>cyborg: The program you use needs largefile support.
23:16<kop>cyborg : I have a pioneer dvd burner and found it would not burn double layer without a firmware upgrade. *blech*
23:16<cyborg>synaptic?
23:16<cyborg>blarson
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23:16<acecombat>arghh....has anyone installed squid before?
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23:17<cyborg>os[Linux 2.6.22-14-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz @ 1.63GHz] mem[Physical : 2026MB, 74.3% free] disk[Total : 240.89GB, 15.80% Free] video[nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]] sound[]
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23:18<cyborg>thx for time
23:19<cyborg>i m sleep now & afternoon come back
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23:19<acecombat>I've installed squid, looking at the quickstart guide which says to edit squid.conf but there is no squid.conf that was created when installing package, the only .conf file is in the example directory under /doc/
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23:19<cyborg>http://belsoseg.blog.hu/2008/01/07/norma_m20
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23:20<kop>re for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent\
23:20<kop> screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one wor\
23:20<saratogacx>Okay, I'm out... G'night everyone!!
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23:21<gsimmons>acecombat: You have no /etc/squid/squid.conf file?
23:21<kop>oops. Sorry.
23:21<acecombat>no theres no etc/squid/squid.conf
23:21<gsimmons>!tell acecombat -about confmiss
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23:23<acutedeath>lupine_85: can you think of any other important parameters that I might need to set before the host will like me?
23:24<gsimmons>acecombat: No private messages, please.
23:24<lupine_85>those are the only ones I have... well, I have a key, too
23:24<acecombat>ok that worked to create it.....now that its been created with root do I chmod it or can i edit from root?
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23:25<acutedeath>have you ever seen "sending on socket/fallback" immediately after "sending on [MAC]?
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23:26<lupine_85>yep, that's normal
23:26<acutedeath>oh
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23:27<lupine_85>maybe set the channel?
23:27<lupine_85>iwconfig wlan0 channel <N>
23:27<acutedeath>i'm trying to figure out why my router doesn't like me. it tries about 6 different intervals and then gives up
23:28<acutedeath>good idea, i was going to try that soon
23:28<lupine_85>it won't manage dhcp if you're not associated
23:28<lupine_85>and i'm afraid I really need to get to bed
23:28<acutedeath>ok, can you explain associated before you go?
23:28<acutedeath>if not, good night
23:28<lupine_85>when you get a link quality in iwconfig
23:29<lupine_85>the card and the router are talking to each other, then - e.g. OSI layer 2 is established
23:29<beginner>ca anyone help me to use public chat room in sidux, just like i used yahoo msgr public chat in windows
23:29<acutedeath>ah, ok, thanks, 'night. I need to sleep too, but no time for that rubbish
23:29<gsimmons>acecombat: squid.conf is typically edited as the superuser.
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23:30<gsimmons>acutedeath: Sorry, the above message to acecombat was meant for you.
23:30<kop>beginner: What's sidux?
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23:31<acutedeath>oh, I don't know what that means. What is squid.conf
23:32<kop>acutedeath : That'd be a file in /etc/. You might want to "man squid.conf", or maybe "man squid" to find out more.
23:32<acutedeath>ok, ty
23:33<kop>acutedeath : (I'm assuming that squid has "standard" file names for it's configuration here. I really know nothing about squid.)
23:34<acutedeath>no man pages, the file does not exist either
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23:34<gsimmons>acutedeath: /etc/squid/squid.conf. We've been over this.
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23:35<acutedeath>hm k
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23:37<acutedeath>i have no squid on my system.
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23:40<chump_>hey guys whats a good program to back dvds up from the command line?
23:42<kop>chump_ : dvdbackup It might be in the multimedia repository. I forget.
23:43<gsimmons>acutedeath: My apologies, the wrong nick was used. Please disregard my previous squid-related messages.
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23:44<Davidb>hello
23:44<Davidb>I have an etch machine that i have lost the root pass for
23:45<Davidb>now i have rebooted it into single user mode
23:45<Davidb>now what do i do from there
23:45<Davidb>as i beleave i have to mount something
23:45<kop>You booted from the disk, not a cd?
23:46<Davidb>yea the disk
23:46<chump_>thanks Kop
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23:46<kop>If you've got a prompt then you're root. Just use passwd to change the password.
23:47<Davidb>doesnt find any commands
23:47<chump_>he lost root
23:47<chump_>root's password
23:47<chump_>don't you ahve to go into the shadow file and take out the X?
23:47<Davidb>/bin/sh has noting in it
23:47<kop>Davidb: How did you get into single user mode?
23:48<Davidb>via grub
23:49<kop>Davidb : You put 'single' on the end of the kernel line?
23:49<gsimmons>!tell Davidb -about ifrp
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