Back to Home / #debian / 2008 / 01 / Prev Day | Next Day
#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-21

---Logopened Mon Jan 21 00:00:24 2008
---Daychanged Mon Jan 21 2008
00:00-!-manish [~manish@125.16.130.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:01-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:01<Davidb>gsimmons still doesnt work
00:02<Davidb>still cant find passwd
00:02-!-jfholeary [~jfholeary@pool-71-107-211-80.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #debian
00:02-!-jfholeary [~jfholeary@pool-71-107-211-80.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #debian []
00:03<Davidb>/bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off
00:03-!-hazard2 [~hazard@pool-71-174-233-177.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
00:05-!-ameyer [ameyer@randonomanimity.com] has joined #debian
00:06-!-ameyer [ameyer@randonomanimity.com] has left #debian []
00:06-!-dist0rti0n [~dist0rti0@76.247.99.213] has joined #debian
00:06-!-Sub-Zero [~desk@201.243.78.204] has joined #debian
00:06<Davidb>any ideas?
00:07<kop>Davidb: The tty message is not necessarly a problem....
00:07<kop>Davidb: Exactly what grub line are you modifying?
00:07<Davidb>it is when it says /bin/sh: cannot find file or folder passwd
00:07<kop>Davidb: Try /sbin/passwd
00:07-!-remo [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:08<Davidb>there os no sbin dir
00:08<kop>Seems to me like maybe your in the ramdisk image and have not yet booted the real kernel....
00:08<Davidb>im in busy box for some reason
00:09-!-allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47511.tstt.net.tt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:10-!-allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47511.tstt.net.tt] has joined #debian
00:10-!-remo_ [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has joined #debian
00:10<kop>So, what grub line do you modify? The one that says "kernel /vmlinuz ..."?
00:11<Davidb>kernal /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.....
00:12<Davidb>put init=/bin/sh at the end of the line
00:12<kop>Davidb: Ok. So you don't have a separate /boot partition, right?
00:12<Davidb>then enter, then b
00:12<Davidb>no
00:12<Davidb>the /boot should be on the same partition
00:13-!-dist0rti0n [~dist0rti0@76.247.99.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:13<kop>Davidb : You know about pastebin?
00:13-!-mark_ [~mark@75-163-32-149.sxcy.qwest.net] has joined #debian
00:13<kop>Davidb: I'm wondering what the mount command says.
00:13<Davidb>please tell me how am i supposed to paste bin when i cant access the machine except for infront of it
00:14-!-bjb [~bjb@ns1.linuxbutler.ca] has joined #debian
00:14<Davidb>the machine cant connect to the net and i cant save n grab the dmsg as it has no connectivity
00:14-!-mark_ [~mark@75-163-32-149.sxcy.qwest.net] has left #debian []
00:15<kop>Davidb : (This is where serial consoles come in handy, but let's not go there.)
00:15-!-Buglouse [~Buglouse@CPE-69-76-75-40.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
00:16<kop>Davidb: Does mount say the expected root partition is mounted?
00:16-!-githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
00:17<kop>Davidb: You're not getting any other messages at boot that indicate, say, problems finding the root fs or the kernel or some other reason why you're still in the ramdisk image. (Whether you are in the ramdisk image or not may be indicated by the mount output.)
00:19-!-Troyan0 [soul@201.248.207.1] has quit [Quit: Me fuí pal carajo...!]
00:23-!-hakuna_matata_246 [~hakunamat@117.0.16.211] has joined #debian
00:26-!-hakuna_matata_246 [~hakunamat@117.0.16.211] has quit []
00:32-!-ozatomic [~ozatomic@203-206-142-211.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Quitting.....]
00:32-!-nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-19-21.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
00:34-!-remo_ [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:34-!-dedi [~dedi@adsl-62-167-39-75.adslplus.ch] has joined #debian
00:35-!-sindre [~sindre@ti221110a081-0391.bb.online.no] has joined #debian
00:36-!-remo_ [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has joined #debian
00:37<jakeriver>
00:40-!-remo_ [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:40-!-ladoga [~ladoga@a85-156-235-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:41-!-weld [~weld@p54AF7D45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:41-!-remo_ [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has joined #debian
00:43-!-Corrine [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
00:44-!-ladoga [~ladoga@a85-156-235-243.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
00:44<Corrine>Now this is strange
00:52-!-miksuh [~miksuh@a91-152-173-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
00:53-!-twb [~twb@nat20.cyber.com.au] has joined #debian
00:53<twb>Why doesn't this work in my d-i late script?
00:53<twb>echo nis nis/domain string cybersource | in-target debconf-set-selections
00:54<twb>I get "debconf-get: return: 4: Illegal number: nis"
00:54<twb>...in the syslog
00:54-!-miksuh [~miksuh@a91-152-173-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
00:54-!-miksuh [~miksuh@a91-152-173-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit []
00:55-!-miksuh [miksuh@a91-152-173-154.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
00:55-!-pawan [~pawan@59.176.126.239] has joined #debian
00:55-!-atperez [~atperez@200.95.225.122] has quit [Quit: Ya me voy, ya me despido. Cuídense y hasta pronto.]
00:55-!-Buglouse [~Buglouse@CPE-69-76-75-40.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:56<pawan>currently to check for security updates and to cut and paste them in one go I use: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade --dry-run | grep ecurity | grep ^Inst | cut -f2 -d" " | tr "\n" " " > ~/seclist ; [[ -s ~/seclist ]] && echo "have security updates" || echo "no security updates"
00:57<pawan>Is there something simpler around?
00:57-!-swo [~swo@p579B2F2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
00:57<pawan>mebbe with aptitude?
00:58-!-sp0ro [~sp0ro1@ppp-69-229-9-184.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
00:58-!-sp0ro [~sp0ro1@ppp-69-229-9-184.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:59<pawan>oh. hang on. This is stupid. All I have to do is have the security repo in /etc/apt/sources.list and I'm done.
00:59<pawan> peej kicks himself
01:00-!-pawan [~pawan@59.176.126.239] has quit []
01:00-!-michael [~michael@c-68-39-128-246.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:00-!-Master_Peace [~RadioSant@c-69-140-214-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:00-!-cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
01:00-!-michael is now known as michael_
01:00-!-Master_Peace [~RadioSant@c-69-140-214-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #debian []
01:00-!-michael_ is now known as inounderstand
01:03-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:03-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
01:11-!-imperia [~imperia@89.215.220.240] has joined #debian
01:11-!-killuminati [sortadi@190.39.128.174] has quit [Quit: Haribol]
01:16-!-hakuna_matata_246 [~hakunamat@117.0.16.211] has joined #debian
01:16-!-hakuna_matata_246 [~hakunamat@117.0.16.211] has quit []
01:17-!-emet [~jonathan@c-98-203-18-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:19-!-inounderstand [~michael@c-68-39-128-246.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:21-!-emet [~jonathan@c-98-203-18-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:23-!-snowball_ [~snowball@nly93-1-82-232-72-199.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
01:23-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:23-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
01:28-!-vigneswari [~vigneswar@203.129.255.178] has joined #debian
01:30-!-of69 [~of69@89-178-84-168.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #debian
01:36-!-Davidb [davidb@202-124-243-14.dedsvrs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:41-!-cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:42-!-SeveredCross [bojan@dhcp-129-64-131-11.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #debian
01:43-!-jscinoz [~jscinoz@124-171-2-204.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:44-!-mosno [~mosno@c220-237-36-200.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #debian
01:47-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
01:48-!-Sub-Zero [~desk@201.243.78.204] has quit [Quit: Bond^Script † By: ^Bond007^† www.BondScript.tk]
01:52-!-d00d [~d00d@c-24-126-40-71.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:52-!-neant_ [~neant@dsl-10-130-109.b2b2c.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
01:54-!-d00d [~d00d@c-24-126-40-71.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:57-!-anarcat [~anarcat@bas12-montrealak-1167978721.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
01:57<anarcat>hello
01:57<anarcat>anyone familiar with HAL here?
01:57<anarcat>i wonder how the "properties" for a device are set and what's the proper way to override them
01:57<anarcat>in particular, i'd like to change that property: power_management.quirk.s3_mode = true (bool)
01:59-!-|evolution| [~evolution@88.200.199.119] has joined #debian
02:00-!-|evolution| [~evolution@88.200.199.119] has quit []
02:00-!-|evolution| [~evolution@88.200.199.119] has joined #debian
02:07-!-|evolution| is now known as u
02:08-!-hollo [~hollo@62.199.234.100] has joined #debian
02:10-!-u [~evolution@88.200.199.119] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
02:10-!-u [~evolution@88.200.199.119] has joined #debian
02:11-!-u [~evolution@88.200.199.119] has quit []
02:12-!-MrNaz [~MrNaz@124-168-117-123.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:13-!-imperia [~imperia@89.215.220.240] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:13-!-snowball_ [~snowball@nly93-1-82-232-72-199.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:14-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:15-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
02:20-!-acutedeath [~acutedeat@75-107-170-13.cust.wildblue.net] has left #debian []
02:22-!-anarcat [~anarcat@bas12-montrealak-1167978721.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving]
02:25<seanius>sco50000: compiz/compiz-fusion works just fine in KDE afaik: compiz-kde
02:30<seanius>in testing/unstable at least
02:30-!-paveq [~paveq@dyn3-82-128-190-225.psoas.suomi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:33-!-muep [saee@otitsun.oulu.fi] has quit [Server closed connection]
02:33-!-muep [saee@otitsun.oulu.fi] has joined #debian
02:33-!-MrNaz [~MrNaz@124-168-19-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
02:40-!-dserban_ [~dserban@S0106000c4144ffff.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:41-!-hathe [~hathe@dslb-084-056-010-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
02:41-!-tython [ql226@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk] has joined #debian
02:42-!-Odd_Bloke [~oddbloke@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Server closed connection]
02:42-!-Odd_Bloke [~oddbloke@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #debian
02:44<tython>Is it possible to setup wireless AP on my laptop so that other device can connect to Internet via my laptop?
02:44-!-emet [~jonathan@c-98-203-18-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:45<sep>tython, depends a little bit on your hardware but likely yes.
02:45-!-cek [~cek@junta-icatm144570-bada.red.retevision.es] has joined #debian
02:45<tython>sep, my hardware is intel ipw2200
02:46<tython>sep, Is there any software that i can install?
02:48<sep>http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipw2200-ap
02:49<tython>sep, thanks
02:49<sep>usualy it's just a driver/firmware issue. there is no "software", either the chipset+firmware+driver support wireless master mode, or it does not.
02:54-!-marco_ [~marco@dhcp-077-251-029-010.chello.nl] has quit [Server closed connection]
02:54-!-marco_ [~marco@dhcp-077-251-029-010.chello.nl] has joined #debian
02:54-!-madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
02:56<seanius>though of course you'll probably want to install certain software i.e. a dhcp server and probably a dns proxy like pdnsd
02:57-!-atlantide [~antares@194.254.163.24] has joined #debian
03:01-!-screenn [~screenn@92.113.78.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
03:13-!-sebash [~sebastian@e176208204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
03:16-!-screenn [~screenn@92.113.3.152] has joined #debian
03:17-!-MoDaXaS [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #debian
03:17-!-MoDaX [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
03:18-!-ewanm89 is now known as Cap_J_L_Picard
03:18-!-Cap_J_L_Picard is now known as ewanm89
03:19-!-Mr_Giraffe__ [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:20-!-sebash_ [~sebastian@e176199130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds]
03:21-!-Florian [~florian@staff.fr.dailymotion.com] has joined #debian
03:21-!-nOp [~xxxx@77.200.113.174] has joined #debian
03:21<Florian>hi folks
03:23-!-chump_ [~chump@97.73.44.166] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
03:25-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
03:25-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-180.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #debian
03:25-!-MoDaXaS is now known as MoDaX
03:26-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:27-!-hathe [~hathe@dslb-084-056-010-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:27-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
03:27-!-hathe [~hathe@dslb-084-056-010-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
03:28-!-hathe [~hathe@dslb-084-056-010-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:29-!-hathe [~hathe@dslb-084-056-010-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
03:33-!-Mr_Giraffe__ [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
03:35-!-dasmaze [~mathias@e178252106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
03:35-!-nox_ [~nox@62-183-20-212.revers.globvill.de] has joined #debian
03:35-!-valdyn [~valdyn@ppp-88-217-20-79.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:35-!-remo_ [~remo@81-21-242-74.televork.ee] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
03:35-!-fearl [~fearl@ip68-230-79-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #debian
03:36-!-libervisco [~libervisc@89-172-48-133.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #debian
03:37-!-fearl [~fearl@ip68-230-79-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:38-!-fearl [~fearl@ip68-230-79-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #debian
03:38-!-Corrine [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Seeing my great fault/ Through darkening blue windows/ I begin again]
03:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
03:39-!-cloud [~Miranda@195.145.167.2] has joined #debian
03:41-!-devil_ is now known as devil
03:41-!-sep [~sep@40.211.jostedal.no] has left #debian [Leaving]
03:41-!-fearl [~fearl@ip68-230-79-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:42-!-sep [~sep@40.211.jostedal.no] has joined #debian
03:47-!-RjY [orag9JjE@cpc2-cove3-0-0-cust42.sol2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
03:47-!-nox_ [~nox@62-183-20-212.revers.globvill.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
03:47-!-dedi [~dedi@adsl-62-167-39-75.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
03:48-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-180.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:49-!-Penix [~wenas@ppp121-44-42-15.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #debian
03:50-!-tyagi [~tyagi@125-236-132-88.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #debian
03:51-!-RjY [orag9JjE@cpc2-cove3-0-0-cust42.sol2.cable.ntl.com] has left #debian []
03:53-!-JonA [~jonathan@89-16-165-99.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk] has quit [Server closed connection]
03:53-!-JonA [~jonathan@89-16-165-99.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk] has joined #debian
03:57-!-ike [ike@akademia.szluug.org] has quit [Quit: changing servers]
03:58-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
03:58-!-Penix [~wenas@ppp121-44-42-15.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
04:00-!-war_ [~war@wicked.iniquity.net] has joined #debian
04:00-!-morgan` [~morgan@jem75-2-82-233-235-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
04:01<morgan`>hello
04:04-!-tyagi [~tyagi@125-236-132-88.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Visit http://www.wiiouendan.com !]
04:06-!-JoY [~KingSize@85-18-71-186.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #debian
04:06-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
04:06-!-JoY is now known as JoY_
04:06-!-twb [~twb@nat20.cyber.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
04:06-!-dr [~dr@64-110-232-166.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #debian
04:07<dr>i dont
04:07<dr>have a firewall
04:07<dr>i think someones hacking me
04:08<dr>unk
04:08-!-dasmaze [~mathias@e178252106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
04:08-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #debian
04:09<dr>i need gelp typeing im new erth
04:09<dr>ptme ome hoohleple x dat a tron
04:10<devil>hm, what language is that?
04:10-!-meandtheshel1 [~sa@85-127-204-19.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #debian
04:11<dr>bunch of pilsner mixed with 18 bounced ssh's
04:11<dr>im safe
04:11<devil>heh
04:11<Florian>why do you think you're hacked ?
04:12<dr>dunno my foot somtimes unplugs my mouse
04:12<dr>u ever see that solid dude smash thru shit like paper towel
04:13<dr>its kinda like when my foot unpluggs my mouse
04:13<dr>that and i dont have keys just suction kups
04:13<Florian>i don't understand a word
04:14<Florian>do you smoke weed ?
04:14<devil>neither do i
04:14-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
04:14<devil>nah, weed dont do that
04:14<Florian>maybe dr is mentally retarded
04:14<dr>mentally tartded
04:15<devil>or doing some drug i dont wanna know about
04:15<dr>im creatonized to x11 dash ding bat
04:16-!-Cyorxamp [~Cyorxamp@212.57.232.254] has quit [Quit: Bye bye for now...]
04:16<Florian>I was just looking for an opportunity to try the /ignore
04:16-!-bofur [~bofur@office.euronet.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving]
04:17-!-bofur [~bofur@office.euronet.nl] has joined #debian
04:17<dr>sorry this i s new to me i dont have n eticit
04:17<dr>im a n00by
04:18<Florian>if only you were trying to speak clear
04:18<devil>dr: if you are not behind a router, to get a firewall, do: apt-get install firestarter and configure it to your needs
04:19<Florian>i asked you a question you did not answer
04:19<Florian>why do you think you're hacked ?
04:19-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:19<dr>i try to speak clear i dont understabd human "jargon"
04:19-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
04:20<dr>it said death ray as my login screen in ubuntu
04:21<dr>it had to be internal we had an office party
04:21-!-vigneswari [~vigneswar@203.129.255.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:22<Florian>can you give us a screenshot ?
04:22<Florian>I'd like to see that
04:22<dr>gold up
04:22<devil>death ray? heh, never heard of
04:23-!-dr [~dr@64-110-232-166.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:23-!-tarik [~chatzilla@41.251.13.88] has joined #debian
04:23-!-nd- [~andreas@e176216001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
04:24-!-nd [~andreas@e176206240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:24-!-nd- is now known as nd
04:25-!-tzafrir [~tzafrir@62.90.10.53] has joined #debian
04:26<tzafrir>Hi, suddenly on my Etch desktop all sorts of programs fail to load, claiming that they can't load fonts
04:26<tzafrir>fc-list shows some fonts
04:26-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:26<tzafrir>(147 lines of output)
04:27-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
04:27-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:28<tzafrir>psi just segfaults
04:28-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
04:28<Florian>tzafrir: did you update your system recently ?
04:29<tzafrir>Yes
04:29<tzafrir>Though this is Etch. A few extra sources, but none of them should affect this. (yeah, I know)
04:29<Florian>do you think there may be a link between your update and your issue
04:29<Florian>ok
04:29-!-padski [~paddy@ip-81-1-111-14.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #debian
04:29<tzafrir>There probably is
04:30<Nemoder>I recall an update to lenny that added a ttf font that for some reason messed up all the others
04:30<tzafrir>Either that or my file system is in bad shape. And I don't see any sign for the latter...
04:30<tzafrir>I'm trying to further debug the problem
04:31<Florian>tzafrir: what's your uptime ?
04:31-!-bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
04:31<tzafrir>just 5 days
04:31<Florian>even if it's difficult... sometimes a reboot can solve some problems
04:31-!-si0ux [~si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br] has joined #debian
04:31<tzafrir>I'd like to understand the problem first
04:31<Florian>yes i see
04:31<tzafrir>fontconfig is client-side. I don't see how this is related to any service
04:32<tzafrir>My desktop is icewm
04:32<Florian>I don't know anything about icewm
04:32<tzafrir>It's simple. No extra daemons as in gnome / kde
04:32-!-vigneswari [~vigneswar@203.129.255.178] has joined #debian
04:33-!-nihil [~st1gm4t4@dyn166143.wlan.jku.at] has joined #debian
04:33<Florian>hey hey... kde-core + kde-i18n-xx is also simple
04:33<Florian>but that's not the question here
04:34-!-madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
04:35-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:35<tzafrir>The error I get from gtk-based programs:
04:35<tzafrir> http://paste.debian.net/47343
04:35-!-k00lj0e [~k00lj0e@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
04:35<tzafrir>xchat is luckily still running
04:35-!-k00lj0e [~k00lj0e@203.199.213.130] has quit []
04:36<Nemoder>tzafrir: try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
04:36<Florian>just in case... irssi is working on a console...
04:36-!-themill [~stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk] has joined #debian
04:37<tzafrir>Nemoder, thanks. This helped
04:38<tzafrir>Didn't change the output of fc-list . It seems that fc-list is not the right debugging tool, and I should have just re-run fc-cache
04:38-!-yhlfh [~yhlfh@218.0.4.137] has joined #debian
04:39-!-DocTrax_ [~PHP@p5B128431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: INIT 0]
04:45-!-bl4de [~bar@rhlx09.hs-esslingen.de] has joined #debian
04:49-!-k00lj0e [~k00lj0e@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
04:51-!-Baggy2 [~rat@213.184.212.218] has joined #debian
04:52<Baggy2>Where can I get libgl1-mesa-dev version 6.5.2? There is a bug in 6.5.1 and none of my opengl programs runs..
04:54<Florian>which debian are you using ?
04:55<Baggy2>debian etch
04:55<Florian>did you look for a bugreport on your issue ?
04:56<Florian>etch should be stable so i don't think your issue is a bug on libgl
04:56<Baggy2>Florian: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mesa-devel/2007-March/001439.html
04:57-!-k00lj0e [~k00lj0e@203.199.213.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:57<Baggy2>Florian: 6.5.1-0.6 is added on etch
04:57-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
04:58-!-berto [~berto@fanzine.igalia.com] has joined #debian
04:58<Baggy2>I get errors like this: axes: bufmgr_fake.c:1245: bmReleaseBuffers: Assertion `intel->locked' failed.
04:59<Baggy2>google told me this is a common output when using mesa 6.5.1
04:59<Florian>ok you can try to install the package in the experimental branch
05:00-!-snoop [~sagem@194.3.40.174] has joined #debian
05:01-!-LimCore [~limcore@abkt236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
05:01<Baggy2>Florian: I can only find version 7.0.2, thought I should go with 6.5.2 since it might be more compatible with etch
05:01-!-LimCore is now known as Guest3867
05:01<Baggy2>but I can't find it
05:01<Florian>did you look on lenny and sid archives ?
05:02<Baggy2>lenny has mesa 7.0.2
05:02<Baggy2>so has sid
05:02-!-margiolas [chris@client-9-23.wifi.uoc.gr] has joined #debian
05:03<Florian>i'm sorry i can't help you anymore... but maybe on the libgl project page you wan find sources of the version wich you want
05:04<Baggy2>Florian: Thanks, for trying =) I think I'll just go with 7.0.2 then
05:04<blarson>Baggy2: You could look on snapshots.debian.net
05:06<Baggy2>blarson: Thanks, I'll check it out
05:07-!-bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has joined #debian
05:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 333] by debhelper
05:15-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:15-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
05:15-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.249] has joined #debian
05:15-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:15-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.249] has quit []
05:15-!-skiold [~skiold@84.121.94.92.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
05:15-!-darsie [~ruht@212-41-248-77.c-wtaubstummengasse.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #debian
05:15-!-of69 [~of69@89-178-84-168.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:15-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has joined #debian
05:15-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has joined #debian
05:15-!-berto [~berto@fanzine.igalia.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
05:16-!-berto [~berto@fanzine.igalia.com] has joined #debian
05:17-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has quit []
05:18-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.249] has joined #debian
05:19-!-ellobo [~cassoilo@193.137.107.76] has joined #debian
05:19<ellobo>hi all
05:19<darsie>Hi! apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove my xorg package due to dependency problems: http://paste.debian.net/47344 . Which package shall I file a bug against? xserver-xorg-core?
05:20<ellobo>how can I keep /etc/hosts file updated according to the current network configuration ?
05:20-!-daniel [~daniel@71-221-179-226.bois.qwest.net] has joined #debian
05:20-!-daniel [~daniel@71-221-179-226.bois.qwest.net] has quit []
05:20<ellobo>is there something like resolvconf for that purpose?
05:21<devil>darsie: if you have the latest sec update of xserver-xorg, look at the existing bug reports filed yesterday
05:21<darsie>sec?
05:22-!-thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179019025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
05:22-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.249] has quit []
05:22<darsie>I'll browse bug reports ...
05:23<devil>darsie: security update
05:23<darsie>I have testing. There are no sec for it, right?
05:24-!-ellobo [~cassoilo@193.137.107.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
05:24<darsie>i did update and upgrade just before.
05:24<devil>darsie: dont think so, i use sid
05:25<devil>darsie: most bugs were closed last nite, but none with your specific error iirc
05:26-!-pumpkin0 [~ram@ip-83-99-3-158.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #debian
05:28-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.201] has joined #debian
05:30-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.201] has quit []
05:30-!-kapil [~weechat@61.95.189.249] has joined #debian
05:34-!-ivoire [~ivoire@dinauz.org] has joined #debian
05:35<mosno>there seems to be missing build logs from http://buildd.debian.org/build.php -- is this still where to look for build logs for stuff that say isn't propagating to testing?
05:35-!-FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has quit [Service unloaded]
05:35<mosno>note: it may be a misunderstanding of the build system on my behalf
05:37-!-slaxz [~slaxz@p54B44D18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
05:38-!-kapil [~weechat@61.95.189.249] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6]
05:40-!-codehexa [~codehexa@59.9.134.38] has joined #debian
05:40-!-`villain` [~villain@83.146.91.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:40-!-FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has joined #debian
05:41-!-bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has joined #debian
05:44-!-Yuscha [~CHRIS@88.134.208.13] has joined #debian
05:46-!-badquanta [~badquanta@67.61.10.56] has joined #debian
05:47-!-bewolf [~bewolf@41.221.17.27] has joined #debian
05:48<MrNaz>how do you find out on the command line if a text file is utf8 or something else?
05:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 342] by debhelper
05:49<themill>MrNaz: try file on the file... I think that says
05:50-!-FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has quit [Service unloaded]
05:50-!-FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has joined #debian
05:50<MrNaz>file
05:50<MrNaz>?
05:50<MrNaz>man file returns no entries
05:51<MrNaz>aah
05:51<MrNaz>apt to the rescue
05:51*MrNaz hugs debian
05:52<mosno>MrNaz: which tool did the trick?
05:52<MrNaz>mosno nothing yet
05:52<MrNaz>i just apt-got file
05:52<MrNaz>file doesnt tell me the encoding, but it does tell me that the file is an XML file
05:53<MrNaz>i just tried it on an ASCII file, which it told me ( i assume it means ascii 7 bit, but its not very explicit about it0
05:53<MrNaz>)
05:53<MrNaz>xml text *may* imply utf8, but relying on implications can get you killed
05:53-!-`villain` [~villain@83.146.91.195] has joined #debian
05:53<themill>MrNaz: an xml file should define its encoding
05:54<blarson>MrNaz: ascii is a subset of utf8
05:54<MrNaz>themill yeap, but it may be wrong about it too, the file may get copied by a naughty copy routine or perhaps generated by a bad generator
05:54<MrNaz>or the author may just be mistaken about what encoding the file is
05:55<MrNaz>in fact, thats exactly what i'm trying to check... if my utf8 file is, indeed utf8
05:55-!-Ganneffsrv [~joerg@soap.bot.oftc.net] has left #debian []
05:56<bremner>xev says I have Alt_L and Super_L, but emacs22-gtk (22.1+1-2.3) says I have two super keys. Any ideas?
05:56<bremner>MrNaz: try iconv from ut8 to utf8 and then diff
05:56<themill>MrNaz: there's also recode which uses the iconv library.
05:57*bremner doesn't quite see the point of recode; maybe history?
05:59-!-andrea [~andrea@host210-149-static.44-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
06:00-!-andrea is now known as Guest1
06:01-!-madrescher [~hkunz@ifidyn151.ifi.unizh.ch] has joined #debian
06:02-!-FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has quit [Service unloaded]
06:02-!-Guest1 [~andrea@host210-149-static.44-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:04<bremner>oops: ignore my last question. The problem is different than described. must experiment more...
06:05-!-y7deluxe [~y7deluxe@pool-71-180-132-47.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
06:05-!-y7deluxe [~y7deluxe@pool-71-180-132-47.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit []
06:05-!-FloodServ [services@services.oftc.net] has joined #debian
06:06-!-munckfish [~munckfish@217.150.115.62] has joined #debian
06:08<bremner>should I report a debian bug for emacs documentation errors?
06:09-!-kapil [~kapil@61.95.189.201] has joined #debian
06:09-!-kapil is now known as bip4ever
06:09-!-dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has joined #debian
06:10-!-bip4ever is now known as kapil
06:11-!-omer3 [~omer@abo-41-90-68.mrs.modulonet.fr] has joined #debian
06:11-!-kapil [~kapil@61.95.189.201] has quit []
06:12-!-kapil [~weechat@61.95.189.201] has joined #debian
06:13-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:13-!-mosno [~mosno@c220-237-36-200.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:15-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
06:17-!-nescafe [~neskaffee@pD9E6F1AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:17-!-nescafe [~neskaffee@pD9E6F1AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian []
06:19-!-Florian [~florian@staff.fr.dailymotion.com] has left #debian [too much activity but not enought time]
06:19-!-foolano [~magnetic@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
06:20-!-Gulian_ [~user@ALyon-258-1-154-186.w90-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
06:20-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
06:21-!-Gulian_ [~user@ALyon-258-1-154-186.w90-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit []
06:21-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit []
06:21-!-bewolf [~bewolf@41.221.17.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:22-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
06:23-!-Nescafe [~knut@pD9E6F1AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:23-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit []
06:23-!-Nescafe [~knut@pD9E6F1AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian []
06:23-!-bartm [~bartm@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #debian
06:23-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
06:23-!-bartm [~bartm@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit []
06:27-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit []
06:30-!-mosno [~mosno@c220-237-36-200.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #debian
06:33-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
06:37-!-emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has quit [Quit: It's all for NOW, folks!]
06:38-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving]
06:38-!-Mike [~Mike@user-160un21.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #debian
06:39-!-amadenn [~jeanluc@mailhost.onb-france.net] has joined #debian
06:39-!-amadenn [~jeanluc@mailhost.onb-france.net] has quit []
06:40-!-mosno [~mosno@c220-237-36-200.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
06:45-!-acecombat [~acecombat@202.134.237.53] has quit []
06:45-!-bigjocker [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has joined #debian
06:48-!-ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has joined #debian
06:48-!-Thork [~Paulo@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:49-!-darsie [~ruht@212-41-248-77.c-wtaubstummengasse.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:49-!-skiold [~skiold@84.121.94.92.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: skiold]
06:49-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #debian
06:50-!-slaxz [~slaxz@p54B44D18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:57-!-kapil [~weechat@61.95.189.201] has left #debian [WeeChat 0.2.6]
06:59-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has joined #debian
07:00-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
07:00-!-lukasz [~lukasz@83.238.149.43] has joined #debian
07:00-!-lukasz [~lukasz@83.238.149.43] has quit []
07:03-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@203-217-90-227.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving]
07:05-!-dpkg [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: buh bye!]
07:05-!-dpkg [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has joined #debian
07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
07:07-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@203-217-90-227.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
07:07-!-codehexa [~codehexa@59.9.134.38] has left #debian []
07:11-!-mirshafie_ [~mirshafie@84-217-31-131.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
07:11-!-pumpkin0 [~ram@ip-83-99-3-158.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:11-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
07:13-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
07:14-!-nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-19-21.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:17-!-bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving]
07:17-!-Mr_Giraffe__ [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:17-!-amachu [~amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #debian
07:18-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
07:19-!-visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-120-85.aruba.unimo.it] has joined #debian
07:19-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me]
07:21-!-amachu_ [~amachu@59.92.89.68] has joined #debian
07:23-!-thepretender84 [~thepreten@host-216-78-67-21.jan.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
07:24-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has joined #debian
07:24-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
07:25-!-amachu [~amachu@59.92.89.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:27-!-jiaka [~noname@84.123.102.253.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
07:27-!-jiaka [~noname@84.123.102.253.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #debian []
07:27-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:28-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
07:28-!-VepVect8 [~VepVect9@vepvect8.user.oftc.net] has quit [autokilled: Take your warez somewhere else. If you feel an error has been made, please contact support@oftc.net. (2008-01-21 12:28:34)]
07:29-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting]
07:29-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #debian
07:30-!-bigjocker [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:30-!-bigjocker [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has joined #debian
07:30-!-amachu_ [~amachu@59.92.89.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:30-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit []
07:31-!-bigjocker [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:31-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
07:31-!-bigjocker [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has joined #debian
07:36-!-amachu [~amachu@202.71.146.210] has joined #debian
07:37-!-yhlfh [~yhlfh@218.0.4.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:38-!-Guest3867 [~limcore@abkt236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:39-!-madrescher [~hkunz@ifidyn151.ifi.unizh.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
07:39-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
07:39-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me]
07:41-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has joined #debian
07:41-!-snogglethorpe [~snog@203-216-99-223.dsl.gol.ne.jp] has joined #debian
07:42-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has quit []
07:43-!-ngranek [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has joined #debian
07:43-!-bigjocker [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
07:44-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has joined #debian
07:44-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
07:44-!-kapil_away [~weechat@61.95.189.201] has joined #debian
07:45-!-ajobondon [~ajobondon@202.93.245.254] has joined #debian
07:45-!-ajobondon [~ajobondon@202.93.245.254] has quit []
07:45-!-kapil_away [~weechat@61.95.189.201] has quit []
07:45-!-amachu [~amachu@202.71.146.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:46-!-kapil [~kapil@61.95.189.184] has quit []
07:46-!-jack_ [~jack@59.78.46.201] has joined #debian
07:49-!-sheldonh [W0qIeG0WnB@66.219.59.32] has joined #debian
07:50<sheldonh>seanius: thanks for the m-a nvidia-kernel fix :)
07:50-!-war_ [~war@wicked.iniquity.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:53-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:54-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
07:54-!-kapil_away [~kapil@users.imsc.res.in] has joined #debian
07:54-!-ruiping [ruiping@222.85.69.157] has joined #debian
07:55-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
07:57-!-kcynice [~kcynice@59.44.13.54] has joined #debian
08:08<seanius>sheldonh: np, was pretty simple. really it should have been fixed in the nvidia package itself afaict, but it was the path of least resistance anyway
08:08-!-kapil [~kapil@users.imsc.res.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:08*seanius notices some strange behaviour with the new driver though
08:10-!-abrotman [~abrotman@c-71-230-50-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
08:10-!-larsus [~gulltunge@89.191.9.147] has joined #debian
08:10<larsus>Hi! Is it possible to grep inside a tar.gz file?
08:14-!-LimCore [~limcore@abkt236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
08:15-!-LimCore is now known as Guest16
08:15<hathe>larsus: zgrep
08:15<sheldonh>seanius: whatever works :)
08:16<bremner>hathe: .tar.gz?
08:16<hathe>bremner: didn't see the tar, sorry
08:16<hathe>larsus: zgrep just works for .gz
08:17-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has joined #debian
08:18-!-apostols_ [~jam@64.212.185.2] has joined #debian
08:18<larsus>hathe: ye, it seems that it need to be untared to be able to use zgrep, thanx
08:21-!-d0rt [~ni@d90h45.public.simons-rock.edu] has joined #debian
08:21<matth>well actually zgrep -a works
08:22<matth>i.e you're grepping a tar file.
08:23<sheldonh>hmmm, this bz2 hassle with uploads is a bit of a pain in the arse
08:24<Ganneff>?
08:24-!-cek [~cek@junta-icatm144570-bada.red.retevision.es] has quit [Quit: Abandonando]
08:24-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:25-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has joined #debian
08:25-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:27-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has joined #debian
08:27-!-tor [~tor@c-2667e555.125-14-64736c16.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
08:30-!-Optical [~dlz@58.37.16.132] has joined #debian
08:30-!-madrescher [~hkunz@194.209.131.192] has joined #debian
08:30-!-xlotlu [~john@79.114.174.42] has joined #debian
08:32-!-knoppix_ [~knoppix@86.122.146.248] has joined #debian
08:32<knoppix_>hi
08:32-!-tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:32-!-knoppix_ [~knoppix@86.122.146.248] has quit []
08:33-!-vigneswari [~vigneswar@203.129.255.178] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:34<padski>!knoppix
08:34<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.Debian.org/projects/Debian-knoppix/ http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
08:34<padski>bah! missed!
08:36-!-weld [~weld@p54AF5583.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
08:36-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
08:38-!-nihil [~st1gm4t4@dyn166143.wlan.jku.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
08:38<sheldonh>Ganneff: package uploads to incoming where .orig is a bz2 created with recent bzip2 are rejected
08:38-!-nihil [~st1gm4t4@dyn166143.wlan.jku.at] has joined #debian
08:38-!-madrescher [~hkunz@194.209.131.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:38-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:39-!-tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #debian
08:43-!-skiter [~pierre@201.67.210.154] has joined #debian
08:44-!-rob33n [~war10ck@88.245.225.204] has joined #debian
08:44-!-thepretender84 [~thepreten@host-216-78-67-21.jan.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:44<rob33n>where we put the new splash screens?
08:46-!-thasbi [~thasbi@badboys.univ-mlv.fr] has joined #debian
08:46<thasbi>er irc.netmassif.org
08:46-!-war_ [~war@209.136.127.142] has joined #debian
08:47-!-thasbi [~thasbi@badboys.univ-mlv.fr] has quit []
08:47-!-morgan` [~morgan@jem75-2-82-233-235-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
08:48<skiter>good morning. I have a problem after to upgrade the debian packages. When I open wine aplicattion, the gconfd say "received a signal 15 and promptly shut down" and X server restart
08:48-!-morgan` [~morgan@jem75-2-82-233-235-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
08:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 350] by debhelper
08:50-!-Metal_Militia [~ioppo@host-84-222-25-81.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
08:52-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-58-168-123-88.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving]
08:52-!-atlantide [~antares@194.254.163.24] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
08:53<Baggy2>Does anyone know where to download Vanilla OpenGL ES?
08:53<weasel>certainly
08:53<weasel>somebody has to know
08:53<weasel>maybe they even told google about it
08:54<Baggy2>weasel: yes, I've asked mister google.. but the company that provided it, Hybrid Graphics Ltd, no longer exists..
08:55<Baggy2>Bought by nvidia..
08:55-!-ruiping [ruiping@222.85.69.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:57-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:57-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
08:57-!-jack_ [~jack@59.78.46.201] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.]
08:57-!-rob33n [~war10ck@88.245.225.204] has quit [Quit: leaving]
09:00-!-Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
09:00-!-Lin [~igor@200.179.57.57] has joined #debian
09:01-!-neo_ [neo@host-12-175-44-93.watvc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:01-!-neo__ [neo@host-12-175-44-93.watvc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:01-!-ernesto [~ernesto@150.187.78.31] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:01-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has joined #debian
09:03<hathe>if i want to build bzip2 with apt-build it starts make with flags for ia-64 but my dpkg architecture is i386, why is that?
09:03-!-juliank [~juliank@f054160137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
09:04-!-Infinito [argos@201-3-20-166.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
09:04-!-skiter [~pierre@201.67.210.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:04-!-morgan` [~morgan@jem75-2-82-233-235-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:04-!-morgan` [~morgan@jem75-2-82-233-235-71.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
09:04-!-CaFeNet_UseR [~GrandNet@124.81.112.155] has joined #debian
09:06-!-esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:07<CaFeNet_UseR>m, ,;m;
09:08-!-dusty [~dusty@217.155.141.46] has joined #debian
09:08-!-CaFeNet_UseR [~GrandNet@124.81.112.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:09-!-dusty [~dusty@217.155.141.46] has quit []
09:12-!-ewanm89 is now known as Cap_J_L_Picard
09:12-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:12-!-Cap_J_L_Picard is now known as ewanm89
09:12-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
09:13-!-E0x [~moya@tdev251-181.codetel.net.do] has joined #debian
09:15-!-DTE [~pier@85-18-112-194.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #debian
09:15<DTE>hi all
09:15<DTE>i'm tryin to backup all the log to another dir
09:16<Ganneff>sheldonh: no. *any* bz2 compression other than inside the .deb is rejected
09:16<DTE>i cannot use olddir because the backup dir is not on the same media
09:16<DTE>i was trying to use dateext and a simpple cp script
09:16<DTE>but it alwasy fails
09:17<sheldonh>Ganneff: but... um... that's new, right
09:17<Ganneff>sheldonh: no.
09:17<Ganneff>it never was allowed to use bz2 for tarball/diff
09:19<sheldonh>Ganneff: ah. and now a new version of dpkg-dev creates bz2 by default?
09:20<Ganneff>no
09:20<Ganneff>if it does thats a bug >=important
09:20<sheldonh>aah
09:20<Ganneff>i think you have to tell it to create those files.
09:20<Ganneff>some -Z option
09:20<sheldonh>i think i see. i just pulled the wrong tarball from the vendor
09:21-!-munckfish [~munckfish@217.150.115.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:21-!-mejo [~jonas@p57A6DF7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
09:22-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:24-!-muammar [~muammar@190.77.174.22] has joined #debian
09:26-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
09:26<mejo>hey
09:27-!-munckfish [~munckfish@217.150.115.62] has joined #debian
09:28<mejo>for some reason, my system doesn't print pdf files any more.
09:28<mejo>i use a brother network laserprinter with cups, and most documents print just fine.
09:29<mejo>just for pdfs, an error message is printed on the paper instead:
09:29<mc>mejo: brother uses a shell postprocessor script
09:29<larsus> thanx all! bye
09:29<mejo>mc: brscript3?
09:29-!-larsus [~gulltunge@89.191.9.147] has left #debian []
09:29<mc>oh. thats a pro. ours just dont print at all. :>
09:30<mejo>the error that's printed is: "ERROR NAME; typecheck COMMAND; image OPERAND STACK;"
09:30<mc>brlpdwrapper?
09:31<mejo>mc: where do i find that?
09:31<mc>usr.lib.cups.filter
09:31-!-angasule [~angasule@190.49.205.231] has joined #debian
09:31<mc>mejo: atleast, thats what its called here.
09:32<mejo>mc: i don't get the point. In /usr/lib/cups/filter, i don't have any file called "brlpdwrapper".
09:32<mc>mejo: oh.
09:32<mejo>mc: what is this file for, and which content does it have? is it a script?
09:32<mc>cell:/etc/cups# grep -ri brlpd *
09:32<mc>ppd/multikulti.ppd:*cupsFilter: "application/vnd.cups-postscript 0 brlpdwrapperMFC8840D"
09:32<mc>look at your ppd, wether *cupsFilter is defined.
09:32-!-kcynice [~kcynice@59.44.13.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:34<mejo># grep -ri cupsFilter /etc/cups/ppd/*
09:34<mejo>doesn't give any result, so no, it seems to be not defined.
09:34<mc>mejo: you DO use the brother ppd files?
09:35-!-fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:35-!-fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has joined #debian
09:35-!-Infinito [argos@201-3-20-166.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
09:35<mejo>mc: afaik i use the ones by linuxprinting.org
09:35<mc>ah, hm.
09:36<mejo>you use the original ppds by brother?
09:36-!-kilah [~kilah@89.123.68.138] has joined #debian
09:36<mejo>are they available from their webpage?
09:36-!-kilah [~kilah@89.123.68.138] has left #debian []
09:37<mc>well, somethings converting pdf to ps; my bad memory tells me that foomatic is the not so innocent. this must be doing something wrong. the message refers to images embedded in the postscript
09:38<mc>http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html
09:39<mc>the debian packages i'd consider as rather bad quality, however i hadnt had any problems til yet.
09:39-!-fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:39<mejo>mc: so you use the debian ppd or the brother ppd? and does your printer print pdfs?
09:40<mc>mejo: brother one, it does print. it has trouble on the latest ooo in ubuntu though - i didnt make any attempts to fix that.
09:40-!-jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has joined #debian
09:41<mc>mejo: i told my lusers (happily i can :} to convert the stuff to postscript and cat the raw ps to the printer
09:41<mc>luckily, rather.
09:43<mejo>all right, i'll give the 'brother cups driver
09:43<mejo>a try ...
09:43-!-Optical [~dlz@58.37.16.132] has quit [Quit: Wave~~]
09:44-!-emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has joined #debian
09:45-!-MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@124-168-19-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
09:47-!-sidux [~sidux@3-233.252-81.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #debian
09:47<sidux>hello all
09:48-!-sidux is now known as Guest29
09:48<Guest29>someone can help with grep in a file.txt , i need to extract of htem all ip on them
09:50-!-ace [ace@cpc2-mars1-0-0-cust217.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
09:50<ace>hello
09:50-!-MrNaz [~MrNaz@124-168-19-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:51-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:51<ace>i got a spare drive on my pc and wanting to install debai
09:51<ace>do i just format it then install
09:51<ace>or anything else i need to do first
09:52-!-margiolas [chris@client-9-23.wifi.uoc.gr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
09:52<noflash>ace, debian.org there is an installation manual
09:53<themill>!tell ace about ig
09:53<ace>thanks
09:53<themill>!tell sidux about sidux
09:56<mejo>mc: doesn't seem to have anything changed ;-(
09:57<sheldonh>i wonder whether ipw3945 will be a little more reliable than iwl3945 on sid on my laptop
09:59<themill>sheldonh: likely to be the other way around from what I've seen
09:59<sheldonh>themill: eish, that's a pity. keeps barfing on me. it's only once every couple of days, so i can wait for an update. open bugs are daunting
10:00<sheldonh>themill: but i've ripped out network-manager and gone with plain old wpasupplicant, in the hopes that i can rule out weird high-level software and submit a more useful bug
10:00<themill>sheldonh: it's not hard to try ipw3945 though. There are newer versions of iwl than that included in the debian 2.6.23 though.
10:01<themill>sheldonh: I'm not sure how much improvement they make for stability.
10:01-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:03<sheldonh>themill: i'll see if i can figure out how to prevent iwl3945 from being loaded at boot time
10:03<themill>sheldonh: you can always just modprobe -r it. or /msg dpkg blacklist
10:04-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
10:06<DTE>nobody used with success dateext with logrotate on etch?
10:07-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-234.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #debian
10:07-!-Mr-Balu [fox@ip-18-8-71-77.bgwan.com] has quit []
10:10-!-gioconda [~javier@215.Red-83-42-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
10:10<padski>DTE, never noticed it. is it giving you trouble ?
10:11<DTE>yes...wait i found the error
10:11<padski>waiting ... ;-)
10:12<DTE>http://rafb.net/p/Zh4SVT76.html
10:12<DTE>and actually i have other problems with logrotate
10:16-!-schmichael [~michael@zim.lofiart.com] has left #debian []
10:18<ace>im unsure what to download iso
10:18<ace>do i need all 3 dvd image plus update
10:18<ace>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/
10:18<bremner>!tell ace about netinstall
10:18<ace>nice :)
10:20-!-pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-72-13.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
10:20-!-mankod [~mankod@200.77.86.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:23<padski>DTE, I don't recall having looked before ... I am impressed by the small size of logrotate. The error text is easy to find in the code. do you have a recipe to trigger the error ?
10:23-!-gioconda [~javier@215.Red-83-42-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:23-!-valdyn [~valdyn@ppp-88-217-13-117.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #debian
10:24-!-Troyan0 [soul@201.248.205.54] has joined #debian
10:25-!-arthur [~arthur@216.173.168.246] has joined #debian
10:26-!-j0kEr [~j0kEr@host148-38-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
10:26<DTE>padski: the problem is that even i put everything as before...i got some errors
10:26<DTE>i don't know if the -f function or not
10:27-!-j0kEr [~j0kEr@host148-38-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
10:28-!-libervisco [~libervisc@89-172-48-133.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:28-!-war_ [~war@209.136.127.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:28-!-arthur [~arthur@216.173.168.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:28-!-dany [~dany@sestofw01.enea.se] has joined #debian
10:29-!-dany [~dany@sestofw01.enea.se] has left #debian []
10:30-!-kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:33-!-Donno [~brian@port200.ds1-hj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #debian
10:34-!-SeveredCross [bojan@dhcp-129-64-131-11.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:34-!-Troyan0 [soul@201.248.205.54] has quit [Quit: Me fuí pal carajo...!]
10:37-!-libervisco [~libervisc@78-1-113-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #debian
10:37-!-margiolas [chris@client-9-25.wifi.uoc.gr] has joined #debian
10:38-!-mathieu [~mathieu@189-156.252-81.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #debian
10:39-!-mathieu [~mathieu@189-156.252-81.static-ip.oleane.fr] has quit []
10:40-!-qeed [~qeed@adsl-154-176-121.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
10:42-!-squareroot [~squareroo@ppp85-141-239-196.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #debian
10:42-!-squareroot [~squareroo@ppp85-141-239-196.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit []
10:42-!-gustavoa [~gustavoa@cone.intercomgi.com.ar] has joined #debian
10:43-!-DaCapn [~dacapn@c-76-105-220-239.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:45-!-sshevtsov [~sshevtsov@cone.intercomgi.com.ar] has joined #debian
10:45<gustavoa>hola sergio
10:45<sshevtsov>como andas
10:45<gustavoa>bien loco
10:45<sshevtsov>habra hispano hablantes aca?
10:46<gustavoa>seguramente
10:46-!-themill [~stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:46-!-`Zephyr [~zephyr@dialpool-210-214-16-124.maa.sify.net] has joined #debian
10:46-!-`Zephyr [~zephyr@dialpool-210-214-16-124.maa.sify.net] has quit []
10:47-!-sshevtsov [~sshevtsov@cone.intercomgi.com.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:48-!-nihil [~st1gm4t4@dyn166143.wlan.jku.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
10:49-!-ryan_ [~ryan@dslb-088-066-058-145.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:49-!-pumpkin0 [~ram@p54A64352.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
10:54-!-mewm [~mewm@d40a5d46.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #debian
10:54-!-real [~ccerda@146.83.111.35] has joined #debian
10:54-!-ReedWood [~wmader@dslb-084-056-255-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:54-!-ReedWood [~wmader@dslb-084-056-255-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #debian []
10:54-!-mewm [~mewm@d40a5d46.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:54-!-real [~ccerda@146.83.111.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:55-!-petteri [~pzq@castor.utu.fi] has joined #debian
10:55-!-mankod [~mankod@189.131.177.175] has joined #debian
10:57-!-kapil_away [~kapil@218.248.73.47] has joined #debian
10:57-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
10:58-!-rkos [~rkos@87-94-128-172.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:58<Knorrie>wow icedove is really broken now
10:59<Knorrie>looks like shit :P
10:59-!-themill [~stuart@86.53.48.59] has joined #debian
11:01-!-der_ToWo [~torsten@p54B63FC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
11:02-!-dice [~dice@p54B46673.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
11:02-!-dice [~dice@p54B46673.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []
11:03-!-dice [~dice@p54B46673.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
11:03-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
11:03-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
11:03-!-dice [~dice@p54B46673.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian []
11:05-!-visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-120-85.aruba.unimo.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:05-!-stefan_ [~stefan@pD9E91756.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
11:06-!-paveq [~paveq@dyn3-82-128-189-220.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #debian
11:08-!-foolano [~magnetic@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:09-!-MrNaz [~MrNaz@124-168-19-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
11:10<mejo>for some reason, the <F10>,<F11> and <F12> keys don
11:10-!-tython [ql226@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:10<mejo>'t work anymore on my console.
11:11-!-g [~g@0x5552dd71.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #debian
11:11-!-ryan_ [~ryan@dslb-088-066-058-145.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:11-!-RockaBaby [~rosaunter@e179025174.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
11:11-!-stefan_ [~stefan@pD9E91756.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:12<RockaBaby>hello
11:12<mejo>i've a german keyboard, and until the last console-setup update, the keys worked.
11:13-!-Sebnem [~Turgay@88.236.73.248] has joined #debian
11:13-!-Sebnem [~Turgay@88.236.73.248] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a home to spammers. - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2008-01-21 16:13:04)]
11:13<g>hi
11:13<g>is this the ubunto meating?
11:13<g>meating
11:13<g>meeting
11:14<Knorrie>no
11:14<RockaBaby>why is my /root set world wide readable after i install debian ?? shouldn't my root be absolutely secret ?
11:14-!-FLAMINGO^^ [~Berk@88.227.154.185] has joined #debian
11:14-!-FLAMINGO^^ [~Berk@88.227.154.185] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a home to spammers. - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2008-01-21 16:14:19)]
11:15<valdyn>RockaBaby: brillant idea
11:15-!-kral [~benson-@88.234.37.80] has joined #debian
11:15-!-kral [~benson-@88.234.37.80] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a home to spammers. - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2008-01-21 16:15:04)]
11:15<valdyn>RockaBaby: that will just make your system totally useless
11:15-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
11:15-!-kapil_away [~kapil@218.248.73.47] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me]
11:15-!-g [~g@0x5552dd71.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:16-!-MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@124-168-19-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:16<valdyn>RockaBaby: oh /root, not root, i misunderstood
11:16<RockaBaby>valdyn, why that? the user should still be able to rw but not others
11:16<mejo>valdyn: RockaBaby is talking about /root, not about /, right?
11:16<valdyn>RockaBaby: root is a user like anyone else in that sense
11:16<valdyn>mejo: yea
11:17<RockaBaby>"/root
11:17<mejo>drwxr-x--x 26 root root 4096 Jan 21 15:33 root
11:17<valdyn>RockaBaby: user files are just world readable by default, that's all
11:17<themill>RockaBaby: what do you have in /root that's secret?
11:17<mejo>valdyn: my system still works ;-)
11:17<padski>DTE, could you past /etc/logrotate/postifx
11:18<valdyn>but my /root isnt world readable
11:18<valdyn>RockaBaby: ls -ld /root
11:19-!-margiolas [chris@client-9-25.wifi.uoc.gr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
11:19<RockaBaby>wdrwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2008-01-17 16:14
11:20<DTE>padski: the new one or the old one?
11:20<valdyn>RockaBaby: thats a user default, thats ok
11:20<valdyn>RockaBaby: except that your first w is probably your typo
11:20<padski>DTE, the one that didn't work (which one is that?)
11:20<RockaBaby>drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 2008-01-17 16:14
11:20<valdyn>RockaBaby: no home is set to protect from anyone reading by default
11:22<RockaBaby>valdyn, i didnt get what you mean in your last sentence
11:22<valdyn>RockaBaby: no users home directory, not even the root users home directory has any read protection by default
11:23-!-cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
11:23-!-mmejiav [~mmejiav@190.84.254.27] has joined #debian
11:23<valdyn>RockaBaby: thats ok, it has its uses, you can change it if you want
11:23-!-mmejiav is now known as b0r0las
11:23<DTE>padski: http://rafb.net/p/RAMLxx95.html
11:23<RockaBaby>okidok... thanks ;)
11:24-!-RockaBaby [~rosaunter@e179025174.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #debian [Leaving]
11:26-!-Clumsy_Root [~leoz@203-54.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
11:26<Clumsy_Root>greetings
11:27<Clumsy_Root>my wine is crashing X after yesterday's update (lenny): anyone had the same problem? broken libs somewhere?
11:27-!-internet [~internet@cybermed3.unice.fr] has joined #debian
11:28<themill>Clumsy_Root: wine wasn't updated in your update yesterday so that shouldn't be a problem...
11:29-!-DocTrax [~PHP@p5B12ADE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
11:29<Clumsy_Root>yo themill. actually, i saw a small xorg update
11:30-!-nihil [~st1gm4t4@w214.wist.uni-linz.ac.at] has joined #debian
11:30<pumpkin0>Clumsy_Root: did you check the bts ?
11:30<themill>Clumsy_Root: ahhh... there was a fubar'd xorg update for etch the other day. Possibly also testing-security will have included a similar update.
11:30<Clumsy_Root>i see, i see
11:30-!-hathe|_ [~hathe@dslb-084-056-012-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
11:30<padski>DTE, your error is surprising and I have yet to reproduce it. /var/log/mail.log-20080121 seems to have been created on line 14, but it can't find it on line 20. you didn't delete it, or run out of inodes or space ?
11:31<Clumsy_Root>pumpkin0: on the console, i see complaints about /usr/bin/X and /lib/libc.so.6
11:31-!-jas4711 [~jas@c80-216-80-66.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #debian
11:31<Clumsy_Root>themill: how would one preceed to fix these slipups then?
11:31<themill>Clumsy_Root: can you pastebin that? /msg dpkg paste
11:31<pumpkin0>Clumsy_Root: such things usually turn up it the bts withing hours. So check that.
11:31<DTE>padski: var is about 55% full
11:31<Clumsy_Root>yeah, hold on a second; although, i don't have the full backtrace, just shell messages
11:31<DTE>nd inode should be ok
11:32<padski>DTE, could you strace it ?
11:32<DTE>ok
11:33-!-internet [~internet@cybermed3.unice.fr] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting]
11:34-!-mov [~mov@189-31-101-118.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
11:34-!-internet [~internet@cybermed3.unice.fr] has joined #debian
11:34-!-licia [~licia@host211-154-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
11:34-!-blubberdiblub [foobar@dslb-088-072-062-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
11:34-!-internet [~internet@cybermed3.unice.fr] has quit []
11:34-!-licia [~licia@host211-154-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
11:35-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-234.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:35<bremner>Clumsy_Root: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=461410
11:35-!-juliank [~juliank@f054160137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:36<Clumsy_Root>http://pastebin.com/m74c9efe7 only info i could find
11:36<DTE>padski: http://rafb.net/p/RthgwG93.html
11:36<Clumsy_Root>hmm, badalloc you say?
11:37-!-hathe [~hathe@dslb-084-056-010-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:37<bremner>Clumsy_Root: what version of xorg are you running now?
11:37<Clumsy_Root>checking that info
11:37<Clumsy_Root>let me check that up
11:38-!-Guest29 [~sidux@3-233.252-81.static-ip.oleane.fr] has quit [Quit: leaving]
11:38-!-makke [~makke@p50915320.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
11:39-!-GhostlyDeath [~ReMooD@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:39<Clumsy_Root>synaptic says 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny2
11:39-!-jvw [~jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has quit [Server closed connection]
11:39-!-Guest16 [~limcore@abkt236.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:39-!-jvw [~jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #debian
11:40<Clumsy_Root>maybe i'll try forcing the previous version
11:41<Clumsy_Root>not sure this is gonna work tho', i'm always suspicious when things seem easy Oo
11:41<bremner>devil: ping?
11:41<devil>bremner: alive
11:41-!-g00gl1x [~rodrigo@bd219c58.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
11:41-!-kapil [~kapil@218.248.73.47] has joined #debian
11:42<bremner>devil: did you see Clumsy_Roots xorg issues, do they look similar to what people reported a few days ago?
11:42<Clumsy_Root>bremner: still crashed on a separate session with 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny
11:42<devil>bremner: yes, the same buggy behaviour was introduced again by sec update of xserver-xors on Saturday
11:43<devil>bremner: luckily i dont get those ;)
11:43<Clumsy_Root>here's checking if there's a bugfix on the repos...
11:43<devil>Clumsy_Root: there is
11:43<devil>a few
11:43<Clumsy_Root>hmm, i'm only seeing 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny2 on there tho'
11:43-!-GhostlyDeath [~ReMooD@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
11:44-!-dsl [~dsl@84-50-160-229-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has joined #debian
11:44<Clumsy_Root>and securityt repos are enabled, too
11:44-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-136.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #debian
11:44<Clumsy_Root>security^
11:44<devil>Clumsy_Root: like [09:12:12] <BTS> Closed #461471 in xorg-server by Julien Cristau (jcristau) «Bug with latest xserver-xorg-core 2:1.1.1-21-etch2 package». http://bugs.debian.org/461471
11:44-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-136.wlms-broadband.com] has quit []
11:44<devil>that one is closed
11:44-!-jeremiah [~jeremiah@h169n1-g-kt-d2.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #debian
11:45<padski>DTE, for comparison this is what I am seeing: http://rafb.net/p/4IHy2C62.html
11:45<devil>i didnt bother much, sid has its own battlefields ;)
11:45-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-136.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #debian
11:45<bremner>devil: ok thanks, sorry to wake you ;-)
11:45<devil>bremner: np :)
11:45-!-pumpkin0 [~ram@p54A64352.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:46<Clumsy_Root>O_o
11:46<bremner>Clumsy_Root: hmm, one option is to install unstable version
11:46<padski>DTE, I didn't even know there was a rename() :-)
11:46<Clumsy_Root>well, this is a tight spot
11:46-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
11:46<Clumsy_Root>forcing the downgrade is actually expecting me to remove all of xorg
11:47<Clumsy_Root>but i've had issues with unstable xorg in the past...
11:47<bremner>not nice. Maybe sid is closer than etch.
11:47-!-mikes [~mikes@87.203.149.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:47-!-g00gl1x [~rodrigo@bd219c58.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
11:47-!-ace [ace@cpc2-mars1-0-0-cust217.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )]
11:47<Clumsy_Root>well, it's risky
11:48-!-Lynx [~axe@struppi.hadiko.de] has joined #debian
11:48<bremner>Clumsy_Root: understood. Thats all I personally got. Maybe you should file a bug report against the testing xorg?
11:48-!-killuminati [sortadi@190.39.128.174] has joined #debian
11:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 356] by debhelper
11:49-!-mikes [~mikes@athedsl-68650.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian
11:49<DTE>padski: i saw the big difference is this
11:49-!-jbernard [~jbernard@bburg.evergrid.com] has joined #debian
11:49<DTE>write(2, "compressing log with: /bin/gzip\n", 32compressing log with: /bin/gzip
11:49<DTE>i have no line like this one
11:49<Clumsy_Root>bremner: i'm sure someone already did that better than i could manage. guess i'll just sit still and wait for a fix, or try some other stuff
11:50<DTE>it seems that my log are not compressed
11:50<bremner>Clumsy_Root: did you try the workaround mentioned on the bug I posted (#461410)
11:50-!-MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@124-168-102-38.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
11:50<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i was about to
11:50<padski>DTE, your line 190 is my line 184. what I can't see is your matching rename (my line 178)
11:51<padski>DTE, what arch and version are you on ?
11:51<DTE>sorry tel
11:52-!-HAmsty [~HAmsty@p5B0E8D6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
11:52-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:52-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
11:52-!-mbk [~mbk@mnch-4db19b69.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #debian
11:52<Clumsy_Root>done patching the xorg.conf file. better restart everything... BRB :)
11:52-!-mbk [~mbk@mnch-4db19b69.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #debian []
11:52-!-alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.202.238.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:53-!-Clumsy_Root [~leoz@203-54.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #debian []
11:53-!-celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.202] has joined #debian
11:53<celoserpa>hello!
11:53<padski>DTE, it is trying to compress the log at the time it emits the error.
11:53<celoserpa>folks, does anyone know of a lightweight theme or rendering engine for Gnome? Gnome currently feels kind of slow on my machine
11:54<padski>DTE, ah! try it without -d
11:54<valdyn>celoserpa: using which theme?
11:55-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
11:55-!-MrNaz [~MrNaz@124-168-19-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
11:55-!-kapil_away [~kapil@218.248.73.47] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me]
11:55<celoserpa>valdyn, right now I'm using Clearlooks
11:56<valdyn>celoserpa: you can try murrine
11:56-!-kapil_away [~kapil@218.248.73.47] has joined #debian
11:56<celoserpa>valdyn, thank you, I'll have a look
11:56<valdyn>celoserpa: though i never could see much difference in that regard
11:57-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
11:57<celoserpa>valdyn, maybe I should use a more lightweight WM
11:57<celoserpa>valdyn, I was thinking about going to fluxbuntu :)
11:57-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has joined #debian
11:57<valdyn>celoserpa: the wm is the least thing that uses up resources on a computer that isnt 10+ years old
11:57<valdyn>celoserpa: ( unless you use something like compiz )
11:58-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
11:58<celoserpa>valdyn, but GTK feels kind of slow... even MS Windows GUI feels faster than GTK... maybe subjective but that is my impression
11:58<valdyn>celoserpa: its true.
11:58<valdyn>celoserpa: you wont change that fact.
11:59-!-JoY_ [~KingSize@85-18-71-186.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via]
11:59<valdyn>celoserpa: not "even ms windows gui", windows gui is about the fastest in existance i suppose
11:59-!-fatal [gem@gamezone.fatal.se] has quit [Server closed connection]
11:59-!-fatal [gem@gamezone.fatal.se] has joined #debian
11:59<valdyn>celoserpa: defenitely faster than max os x
11:59<celoserpa>valdyn, yeah, by faster I mean more responsive, faster feedback :)
11:59-!-pds [~chatzilla@nat.sierrabravo.net] has joined #debian
12:00<valdyn>celoserpa: kde should feel snappier i think
12:00<lucas_amorim>hello, I am using debian lenny in a box with an nvidia card. I have been using the nvidia proprietary drivers since then. But today when booted the machine it starded GDM but crashed when gnome started to load and restarted GDM. Then I took a look at /var/log/xorg.0.log or something and I saw a line about GLX error and an nvidia line saying to reinstall the driver...
12:00<lucas_amorim>I have tryed to reinstall it, but it is now complaining about my gcc version
12:01<bremner>!tell celoserpa about xfce
12:01<dsl>lol
12:01-!-b0r0las [~mmejiav@190.84.254.27] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
12:02-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:02<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you are using the driver from nvidia.com you may have to rebuild your kernel
12:02<celoserpa>valdyn, bremner thank you for your time and help
12:02-!-imperia [~imperia@89.215.220.240] has joined #debian
12:02<valdyn>celoserpa: theres things in the works that *might* change this in X, but right now, as far as i can evaluate this, X applications cannot match windows in that aspect, not anywhere
12:02-!-dsl is now known as valdur55
12:03-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has joined #debian
12:03<lucas_amorim>I am back
12:03-!-bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
12:03<lucas_amorim>so, I cant figure out what is the problem, since nvidia's script never complained about that
12:04<celoserpa>valdyn, yeah, that's how it feels currently. Thanks for sharing your experiences
12:04-!-mejo [~jonas@p57A6DF7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian []
12:04<valdyn>lucas_amorim: so reinstall the driver as it said?
12:04-!-fenix [fenix@200.101.219.144] has joined #debian
12:04-!-E0x [~moya@tdev251-181.codetel.net.do] has quit [Quit: off]
12:04<celoserpa>valdyn, hope things get better soon for X so that Linux GUI moves into a highter-quality level
12:04-!-fenix [fenix@200.101.219.144] has quit []
12:04-!-ernesto [~ernesto@150.187.78.31] has joined #debian
12:04<lucas_amorim>valdyn: I could not reinstall it, that is the problem
12:04<valdyn>lucas_amorim: why couldnt you?
12:05<celoserpa>valdyn, btw, never used Mac OSX, but its underlying graphics engine is based on X, right ?
12:05<valdyn>celoserpa: no
12:05-!-valdur55 [~dsl@84-50-160-229-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting]
12:05<valdyn>celoserpa: not at all, its entirely new
12:05-!-sepski [~sep@217.17.211.51] has joined #debian
12:06<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you are using the driver from nvidia.com you may have to rebuild your kernel
12:06-!-kapil_away [~kapil@218.248.73.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:06-!-ksi [~ksi@host-static-92-114-168-182.moldtelecom.md] has joined #debian
12:07-!-Clumsy_Root [~leoz@203-54.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
12:07-!-celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:07<lucas_amorim>It first complained that I had gcc-4.2 instead of gcc-4.1 then i just "CC=gcc-4.1" and then "export CC" then I tryed again and then it started to compile the kernel interface against the source tree I have installed.. then it gave me an error that I cant remember precisely but i suggested that it would be caused by wrong gcc version
12:07<Clumsy_Root>yo, back with success
12:07-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:07-!-ksi [~ksi@host-static-92-114-168-182.moldtelecom.md] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:08-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
12:08<Clumsy_Root>the workaround actually didn't do anything; turns out it was a problem between the soft and the hald -- namely, the crappy nvidia drivers.
12:08<lucas_amorim>Nemoder I know that every time that there is a kernel update I need to rebuild it, but this time there was no kernel update
12:08<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can use the installer with gcc-4.2 but it has to match the gcc version used to compile your kernel
12:08<Clumsy_Root>thanks to everyone tho', i've learned something new again :)
12:08-!-benneben [~benneben@d54C4DC8E.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
12:09<lucas_amorim>Nemoder but I am using the same kernel as before...
12:09<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I would suggest trying either a kernel from sid or pull the kernel sources and using kernel-package to build your own
12:09<lucas_amorim>that seems difficult
12:09-!-celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.202] has joined #debian
12:10<celoserpa>valdyn, The murrine GTK engine does feel a little more responsive and it's pretty, thanks for the tip
12:10-!-benneben [~benneben@d54C4DC8E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:10<Clumsy_Root>lucas_amorim: not really, you can find some useful tutorials around
12:10<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, I have never compiled a kernel.
12:10-!-jimx [~jimx@80.248.214.43] has joined #debian
12:10<lucas_amorim>but, what is happening actually. It was working yesterday
12:10<celoserpa>valdyn, do you know why the MS Windows GUI is so fast and responsive, at least substantially faster than most of X GUIs?
12:10<lucas_amorim>?
12:10<celoserpa>valdyn, I was wondering about the technical aspects of that...
12:11<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: it really isn't hard, kernel-package has a tool that will build a .deb file for a custom kernel
12:11-!-Lin [~igor@200.179.57.57] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
12:11<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: i disagree there, X seems much faster to me
12:12<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, but why do I need to do this now?
12:12<lucas_amorim>I am actually using the driver now in fluxbox
12:12<lucas_amorim>and it is working
12:12<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, yeah, that's why I said earlier that this might be subjective
12:12<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: so that you will have a kernel compiled with your version of gcc to make nvidia's installer happy
12:12<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, i see
12:12<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, however, a vanilla XP install has a GUI that feels faster than Gnome for me
12:13<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: i think it's mainly due to how certain kernel features are tweaked -- scheduler, allocator, clocking
12:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder. the driver is working now, but if i open a 3d application it crashes
12:13<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, hmm... interesting, have you tweaked yours?
12:13<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: how does it handle with KDE?
12:13<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, KDE feels faster than Gnome
12:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder so i guess i really have to rebuild this?
12:13-!-Tony [~rogers@ladymoor-gate.demon.co.uk] has joined #debian
12:13<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, don't know about KDE4 though
12:13<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: sure did, and i'm still amazed at how some tunes can make a huge difference
12:14<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: gonna be a long, long time before i consider kde4 reliable.
12:14<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, could you point me to somewhere I could see more about these tweaks?
12:14<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: can you guide me through that?
12:14<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: sure
12:14-!-jimx [~jimx@80.248.214.43] has left #debian []
12:14<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, I don't like the fact that KDE uses QT
12:14<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I would go to http://www.kernel.org and grab the latest
12:14<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: clumsily enough, i didn't save my resources, but if you search the 'net for kernel tweaking or kernel howto you should find something of value
12:15<celoserpa>Clumsy_Root, thank you :)
12:15<Clumsy_Root>celoserpa: yeah, but GTK2 is a little boring to the eye
12:15<Clumsy_Root>anytime dude :)
12:15<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: click on the F to get the full package not just the patch
12:15-!-xinli_ [~xinliGG@125.34.49.224] has joined #debian
12:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: will it work fine with the rest of my hardware? I mean, will have to recompile everything that has a kernel interface
12:16<lucas_amorim>?
12:16<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you have other customized kernel modules like nvidia then they would have to be recompiled
12:16-!-xinliGG [~xinliGG@123.112.76.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:17<lucas_amorim>ok
12:18<lucas_amorim>but, the official debian kernel has some modifications, doesn't it? what about these modifications, aren't them necessary?
12:18<lucas_amorim>Nemoder
12:18<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: from what I understand they are very minor
12:18-!-manes [~Michael@p4FC9456B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
12:18<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, I see, do you use the latest kernel then?
12:19<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yes
12:19<lucas_amorim>along with nvidia's driver
12:19<lucas_amorim>?
12:19<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yup
12:19<lucas_amorim>:)
12:20<lucas_amorim>I am dowloading the source
12:20-!-drmay [~drmay@97.Red-83-59-176.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:20-!-celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.202] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:20<DTE>padski: i'm running i386
12:20<DTE>yes exactly...there's no rename
12:20-!-mxldr [~mxldr@adsl-71-135-56-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
12:20-!-petr [~petr@86.63.207.62] has joined #debian
12:21<mxldr>!permasunday
12:21<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html
12:21-!-petr [~petr@86.63.207.62] has left #debian []
12:21<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: also you should apt-get install kernel-package
12:22-!-mxldr is now known as fatTONE
12:22<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, I have just done this :)
12:22<lucas_amorim>is that all i need?
12:22<Nemoder>yeah
12:22<lucas_amorim>anymore dependencies?
12:22<padski>DTE, :-) the error is a side-effect of the -d flag. it will work fine without it.
12:22<Nemoder>if there are then apt will get them
12:23<lucas_amorim>ok
12:23-!-MaCkeR [~aamod@202.89.75.117] has joined #debian
12:24-!-Tony [~rogers@ladymoor-gate.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12]
12:25<fatTONE>hey guys, how does the dpkg bot work here?
12:25<fatTONE>is there a dpkg bot readme?
12:26<padski>fatTONE, /msg dpkg help
12:26-!-mac2 [~mika@pc-195-13.dsl.aina.net] has joined #debian
12:26-!-MaCkeR [~aamod@202.89.75.117] has left #debian []
12:26-!-benneben [~benneben@d54C4DC8E.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
12:26-!-alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has joined #debian
12:27<DTE>padski: i try without
12:29-!-mankod [~mankod@189.131.177.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:31-!-ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:32<DTE>padski: yeahhh...it worked...then this -d is wrong
12:32-!-jimx [~jimx@80.248.214.43] has joined #debian
12:32-!-yuijin [~yuijin@85.103.13.101] has joined #debian
12:33-!-yuijin [~yuijin@85.103.13.101] has left #debian []
12:33-!-ServerSide [~home_debi@77.197.163.183] has joined #debian
12:34-!-patagon [~patagon@host245.201-253-28.telecom.net.ar] has joined #debian
12:34<patagon>hi
12:34-!-patagon [~patagon@host245.201-253-28.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:34<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: Ok, I have downloaded the kernel source. what now?
12:34<padski>DTE, "In debug mode, no changes will be made to the logs"
12:35<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: as root move it to /usr/src and unpack it with tar xvfj linux*
12:35<lucas_amorim>ok
12:35<DTE>padski: ops...really? shame on me then :-P
12:35<valdyn>why the hell move it to /usr/src
12:35-!-drmay [~drmay@181.Red-88-5-228.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
12:35<valdyn>why the hell get root involved
12:36-!-jimx [~jimx@80.248.214.43] has left #debian []
12:36<Nemoder>valdyn: it's a kernel, he'll need to be root to install it and the nvidia installer will want the headers
12:36<valdyn>only to install it
12:37<valdyn>headers are looked up anywhere
12:37-!-devil [~devil@dslb-088-072-249-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:37<valdyn>!root
12:37<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306
12:38-!-snoop [~sagem@194.3.40.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:39<Nemoder>valdyn: when you install a custom kernel it links the build directory to the source directory so custom modules can be compiled to it, I find that very messy to have linked to a home directory
12:39-!-thepretender84 [~thepreten@216.229.193.11] has joined #debian
12:39-!-celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.202] has joined #debian
12:39-!-celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.202] has quit []
12:40-!-fxiny [~fxiny@host177-20-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
12:41-!-Morphous_ [~jan@dslb-088-076-189-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
12:42-!-bored_ [~santhuj@203.199.213.66] has joined #debian
12:42-!-tomv_w [~tomv_w@mail.beamnet.de] has joined #debian
12:42<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: i am extracting it
12:42<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: when you have it extracted copy over your /boot/config- from your current kernel to the source directory and rename it to .config
12:42-!-lajujkej [~robert@adsl-99-139-50-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
12:43-!-mankod [~mankod@189.131.177.175] has joined #debian
12:43<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: just the root of the source directory
12:43<lucas_amorim>?
12:43<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yes
12:43<bored_>hello ppl.. need some help.. when i install nis package using apt-get it asks for domain name.. is it possible to answer it beforehand so that when i install it doesnt ask me and directly finishes installing..
12:43<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok
12:43<lajujkej>hey all, quick question. I am installing aigaion and it wants me to put files in what it calls <WEBROOT>/... Is webroot /var/www, or something else?
12:44<Nemoder>lajujkej: depends on your web server config but usually that is the default
12:44<themill>lajujkej: by default, yes. but you are free to change that in the apache config
12:44-!-xinli_ [~xinliGG@125.34.49.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:44<lajujkej>ahh, thanks.
12:44<lajujkej>I am brand new to this webserver stuff
12:44-!-hever [~chatzilla@ISDN-01-0196.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #debian
12:44-!-jule [~jule@202.122.13.219] has joined #debian
12:45<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: done
12:45<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: after you copy the config run make menuconfig (you don't need to change anything although you can if you want to)
12:45<bored_>is there some way i can pre configure the package so that it doesnt ask me questions while installing?
12:45-!-imperia [~imperia@89.215.220.240] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
12:45<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok, but what would I want to change? lol
12:46<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: perosnally I like to fine tune the kernel to only include components I use but it takes a lot of hardware knowledge to get it right
12:46-!-killuminati [sortadi@190.39.128.174] has quit [Quit: Haribol]
12:46<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you don't want to mess with that right now just save and exit
12:46<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: i see
12:46<lucas_amorim>so I run "make menuconfig"?
12:46<Nemoder>yeah
12:47<lucas_amorim>ok
12:47-!-patagon [~patagon@host245.201-253-28.telecom.net.ar] has joined #debian
12:47<patagon>buenas
12:47<patagon>:D
12:47<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: technically you already have a .config but running menuconfig can help clean up any changes from older kernel versions
12:47-!-patagon [~patagon@host245.201-253-28.telecom.net.ar] has quit []
12:47-!-robokop [~rob@a-eskwadraat.nl] has joined #debian
12:48-!-Morphous [~jan@dslb-088-076-167-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:48<lucas_amorim>so I must pick "Save an alternate configuration file" ?
12:48<Nemoder>no just save it as is
12:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 363] by debhelper
12:49<lucas_amorim>there is no save option
12:49<Nemoder>just exit, it should prompt to save
12:49<lucas_amorim>ok
12:49-!-phorce1 [~gvl2@65.170.133.231] has joined #debian
12:49-!-Knorrie [knorrie@yoshi.kantoor.mendix.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot]
12:49<lucas_amorim>ok done
12:50<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: ok now run make-kpg --revision=custom1.0 kernel_image
12:50<Nemoder>erf, make-kpkg
12:50-!-captainchris [~captainch@ANice-256-1-101-212.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
12:50<lucas_amorim>making
12:51<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: when that is done you should have a linux-*.deb in /usr/src, then you can install it with dpkg -i
12:51-!-benneben [~benneben@d54C4DC8E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg]
12:51<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: then it will alredy be in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
12:52<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yes
12:52-!-jule [~jule@202.122.13.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:52<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: it should give you a choice between the old kernel and the new one on bootup
12:52<lucas_amorim>yeah
12:52-!-morgan` [~morgan@jem75-2-82-233-235-71.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !]
12:52<lucas_amorim>and, when I finish this, can I erase the source dir?
12:53<lucas_amorim>I am running out of space in the / partition
12:53<lucas_amorim>only have some 200 MB
12:53<tomv_w>hi. my etch system recognizes my USB stick as a CDROM (according to dmesg) after recognizing it as usb stick and then gnome-mount and hal don't like it. what am I doing wrong?
12:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: hmm, the compile process uses up a lot of space
12:53-!-nOp [~xxxx@77.200.113.174] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you might not have enough free to compile :(
12:54<lucas_amorim>Nemoder I had 580MB before sxtracting the bz2 file
12:54-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
12:54<lucas_amorim>/dev/hda1 6.5G 5.9G 263M 96% /
12:54<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: it can take several hundred meg to build
12:55<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can safely delete the .bz2 anyway
12:55<lucas_amorim>right
12:55-!-padski [~paddy@ip-81-1-111-14.cust.homechoice.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:55-!-Genghis [genghis@78-21-253-62.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
12:56<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can make-kpkg clean to remove the compiled objects when it is done although you might want to wait and see if the nvidia module compiles on the new kernel
12:56-!-tjol_ [someone@pD9E3329D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
12:56<lucas_amorim>ok
12:56<lucas_amorim>now I have got 297MB free lol
12:56-!-bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has joined #debian
12:57<DTE>bye bye all
12:57-!-DTE [~pier@85-18-112-194.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: "tschuess freunde ..."]
13:00-!-MoDaX [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:00-!-lymeca [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:01<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it is taking a long time...
13:01-!-cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:01-!-bored_ [~santhuj@203.199.213.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:01<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yeah a kernel takes awhile to compile, keep an eye on the free space though, it'll go down pretty quick
13:02<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I have removed wesnoth an now i have got 300MB
13:02<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: what is your processor speed?
13:02-!-tjol [someone@pD9E33F45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:03<lucas_amorim>after apt-get clean I have 417M :)
13:03<lucas_amorim>it is a intel petium 4 HT 3.0 Ghertz
13:04<Nemoder>oh that shouldn't take too long then
13:04<Nemoder>it took almost half an hour on my old 1ghz
13:04<lucas_amorim>it is still compiling lolo
13:04<lucas_amorim>lol*
13:04<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: well that's another reason to tweak the kernel config, cuts down on compile time for all the modules you wont use ;)
13:05-!-devil [~devil@dslb-088-072-249-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
13:05<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: while extracting that bz2 I saw references to many types of architectures... then, am I compiling all of them?
13:06<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: no just one arch, but lots and lots of drivers for all kinds of different hardware components
13:07-!-HellTiger [~HellTiger@p5B0CDD6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: also, is it 100% sure that ir will compile fine? I mean, should I watch it to see if complais about something?
13:07<lucas_amorim>complains*
13:08-!-lymeca [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
13:08<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I wouldn't worry about, the kerenel developers do a good job :)
13:09<lucas_amorim>:)
13:10<lajujkej>If I
13:11<lajujkej>Does someone know If installing Xampp changes your default webroot?
13:11<themill>!xampp
13:11<dpkg>i guess xampp is a way of way of installing lots of packages that are already in Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd zlib libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>
13:12<lajujkej>oh, thanks for the info
13:13-!-wetsock73 [~wetsock@c-75-64-169-86.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
13:14-!-Reneger [~Reneger_@p57BD5275.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:16-!-wetsock73 [~wetsock@c-75-64-169-86.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit []
13:16-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:16-!-muammar [~muammar@190.77.174.22] has quit [Quit: imagine a big red swirl here..!]
13:17-!-guillaume [~guillaume@86.71.35.37] has joined #debian
13:18-!-Mike [~Mike@user-160un21.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 357] by debhelper
13:19<phorce1>This is long, easier to not break it up. Is there a way to get diff to ignore line number offsets? I have two text files. I need to know which lines in file 1 are NOT in file 2 and which in file 2 are NOT in file one. But, the contents do not match up line-for-line when sorted. using 'diff' with the --suppress-common-lines switch still shows me lines that are common to both files just because they aren't on the same line number. Is there a way to get lines t
13:20-!-dkr [~dkr@alita.wirespring.net] has joined #debian
13:21-!-anaxagoras [~user@13pc200.sshunet.nl] has joined #debian
13:21-!-tomv_w [~tomv_w@mail.beamnet.de] has left #debian [out]
13:21<mc>phorce1: sort(1) both files, possibly with -u(nique) and diff them again?
13:21<devil>phorce1: try diff -Nrup, iirc that does it
13:22<sco50000>how do i switch what driver X is using?
13:22<Nemoder>sco50000: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:22<sco50000>Nemoder: ok
13:22<guillaume>wine+grabit 1.7.1 beta build 960 (lenny): http://pastebin.com/m15eb9e88 (working but unstable)
13:22-!-slaxz [~slaxz@p54B44D18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:23<phorce1>mc: oh, crap uniq (brain fart) Thanks all brb
13:24<themill>:)
13:24<mc>oO
13:24-!-marco__ [~marco@ppp-172-142.33-151.iol.it] has joined #debian
13:25-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:25-!-marco__ [~marco@ppp-172-142.33-151.iol.it] has quit []
13:27<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: still compiling ...
13:27<mc>i wonder wether uniq really is his only solution.
13:27-!-Knorrie [knorrie@yoshi.kantoor.mendix.nl] has joined #debian
13:28-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
13:28-!-ace [ace@cpc2-mars1-0-0-cust217.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
13:28<ace>bit of advice please
13:28<ace>ive installed debain onto my second drive
13:28<ace>all ok
13:29<ace>my main drive is windows
13:29<ace>when i restart pc obviously it boots the windows drive
13:29<ace>how do i now boot my linux drive also
13:29-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
13:29<ace>is that possible
13:30<themill>!tell ace about dual boot guide
13:30<ace>:)
13:30-!-trelane [~trelane@dsl093-203-152.ind1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
13:31-!-juliank [~juliank@f054160137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
13:36<ace>isnt it possible to duel boot my linux second drive without installing ubuntu
13:36<themill>ace: yes, the instructions are generic for debian or ubuntu.
13:37<ace>ah right
13:38-!-mmejiav [~mmejiav@190.84.254.27] has joined #debian
13:38-!-Lin [~igor@200.179.57.57] has joined #debian
13:38-!-munckfish [~munckfish@217.150.115.62] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:38-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
13:38-!-mmejiav is now known as b0r0las
13:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 364] by debhelper
13:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: should I be worried about things such "WARNING: Can't handle masks in drivers/mtd/nand/cafe_nand:FFFF0" ??
13:39<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: no, just worry about errors not warnings
13:39<lucas_amorim>ok
13:39-!-trelane [~trelane@dsl093-203-152.ind1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:40-!-githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:40<guillaume>I need a DV camcoder guru under linux in order to grab movies from a samsung VP-D964WPAL with testing
13:40-!-fmt [~4735jsn@i59F5BACA.versanet.de] has joined #debian
13:41<guillaume>kino fail with raw1394 alert (kernel 2.6.22-3)
13:41-!-fmt [~4735jsn@i59F5BACA.versanet.de] has quit []
13:42-!-anaxagoras [~user@13pc200.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)]
13:42<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: what is the best nvidia driver version for the GeForce FX 5200?
13:42<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: nvidia's website should tell you
13:43<lucas_amorim>I have been using this one: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run
13:43<Nemoder>just go with the latest one unless it recommends legacy
13:43<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: someone told me the latest are buggy
13:43<lucas_amorim>I don't know who, but someone here recommended this one
13:43<Nemoder>169 is working for me on my 8600gt
13:44<Nemoder>generally I would say try the latest and if it doesn't work then try an older one
13:44<guillaume>lucas_amorim: yes 100.14.23 fail to run compiz-fusion properly, I would advise to use 100.14.19
13:45<lucas_amorim>ok
13:45<lucas_amorim>thanks
13:45<phorce1>mc: devil They've been sorted and uniq'd (I had actually already done that but looked to make sure). Still outputs lines that are in both with or without the --suppress-common-lines switch. sample -- http://paste.debian.net/47378
13:45<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it finishing compiling :)
13:46<lucas_amorim>so i just install and reboot?
13:46<Nemoder>yup
13:46-!-tommy [~tommy@dsl96194.kund.kramnet.se] has joined #debian
13:46<lucas_amorim>ok... be right back, I hope
13:46-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:46-!-mankod [~mankod@189.131.177.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:47-!-tommy [~tommy@dsl96194.kund.kramnet.se] has quit []
13:47-!-war_ [~war@wicked.iniquity.net] has joined #debian
13:48<phorce1>I would diff visually but one file is 5000+ lines and the other is 9000+ lines. That's a big diff
13:49-!-war_ [~war@wicked.iniquity.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:49-!-war_ [~war@209.136.127.142] has joined #debian
13:49<phorce1>I need something that does a recursive sort-and-compare
13:49*themill hands phorce1 a copy of the camel book
13:50<themill>!camel book
13:50*dpkg grabs a latex carrot and winks at book with its massive eyelashes
13:50<ace>themill that guide is for duel boot of same drive
13:50<phorce1>and spits out the differences.
13:50<ace>ive got 2 seperate drives
13:50<themill>!literal camel book
13:50*dpkg grabs a latex carrot and winks at book with its massive eyelashes
13:50*phorce1 has the camel book somewhere.
13:50<ace>1x windows 1x linux
13:50<themill>erg
13:50<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
13:50<dpkg>no, stupid themill
13:50<ace>lol
13:50-!-bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has joined #debian
13:51<themill>!camelbook
13:51<dpkg>from memory, camel book is "Programming Perl" by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen and Randal L. Schwartz. ISBN: 1-56592-149-6 or essential for perl-guru-wannabees
13:51-!-Enquest [~Enquest@d54C28B91.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
13:51<themill>that's better
13:51<ace>my second drive the linux 1 isnt even showing up in properties
13:51<themill>dpkg: smarter bot
13:51<dpkg>Yep! Always getting smarter and soon I will rule the world....
13:51<ace>should it
13:51-!-Enquest [~Enquest@d54C28B91.access.telenet.be] has quit []
13:51*phorce1 goes googling "recursive sort compare" <sigh>
13:51<Nemoder>ace windows can't read linux partitions
13:52<ace>ag right
13:52<ace>so ist it possible to boot it
13:52-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has joined #debian
13:52<ace>whilst my windows partion is booted#
13:52-!-tarik_ [~chatzilla@41.251.66.122] has joined #debian
13:52<Nemoder>not without a virtual machine configuration
13:53<ace>ok
13:53<Gathond>Nemoder: not entirely true, there are several ext2 drivers for windows
13:53<Nemoder>well true, but they don't ship with windows ;)
13:53<Gathond>who does ext3 just fine in non journaling mode
13:53-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has joined #debian
13:53-!-manes [~Michael@p4FC9456B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:53<Gathond>Nemoder: so? they are free to download and install
13:53<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: :( kernel panic
13:53<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: :(
13:54<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: had to get back to the older kernel
13:54<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: did it say way? like unable to mount root fs or something?
13:54<Nemoder>s/way/why/
13:54-!-mankod [~mankod@189.131.177.175] has joined #debian
13:54<bcochofel>leave
13:54-!-bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has left #debian []
13:56-!-tarik_ [~chatzilla@41.251.66.122] has quit []
13:56<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: "VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option. here are the available partitions: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs...
13:56<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yes ^
13:57-!-tarik_ [~chatzilla@41.251.66.122] has joined #debian
13:57-!-tarik [~chatzilla@41.251.13.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:57-!-tarik_ is now known as tarik
13:57-!-delparnel [~delparnel@CPE001839f2889c-CM00137185dfb6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #debian
13:57<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I'm not sure why the same config would have that result.. can you pastebin the output of lsmod?
13:57<lucas_amorim>ok
13:58-!-kutio [~kutio@vig38-1-82-67-76-10.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
14:00-!-ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has joined #debian
14:00-!-Swissgent [~upvr@80-218-146-36.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
14:00-!-dasmaze [~mathias@e178222179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
14:00<lucas_amorim>just a minute
14:00<ace>http://www.fs-driver.org/
14:00<ace>^^ that Nemoder
14:01-!-xxTomxx [~dd@ppp089210237237.dsl.hol.gr] has joined #debian
14:01-!-apecat_ [~apecat@osiris.mnwa.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:02-!-mac2 [~mika@pc-195-13.dsl.aina.net] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12]
14:03-!-jamon [jamonation@user147-210.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #debian
14:03<lucas_amorim>!paste
14:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
14:03-!-xxTomxx [~dd@ppp089210237237.dsl.hol.gr] has left #debian []
14:03-!-HellTiger [~HellTiger@p5B0CDD6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/]
14:04-!-koollman [~samson_t@sd-9780.dedibox.fr] has quit [Server closed connection]
14:04-!-koollman [~samson_t@sd-9780.dedibox.fr] has joined #debian
14:05-!-bewolf [~bewolf@41.221.17.27] has joined #debian
14:05-!-ace [ace@cpc2-mars1-0-0-cust217.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:05<lajujkej>this install is asking me to point my brower at a install.php script. Shouldn't this output a webpage in the browser? Instead it brings up a prompt asking what I want to run the file with. Do I need to update iceweasel?
14:05<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I think what has happened is the default config was setup to boot with a initrd image which contains the disk and filesystem modules rather than having them built into the kernel
14:06-!-arcticpenguin [~arcticpen@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
14:06-!-nihil [~st1gm4t4@w214.wist.uni-linz.ac.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
14:06<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: http://paste.debian.net/47380
14:06<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I dont understand
14:06<arcticpenguin>!ext4
14:06<dpkg>well, ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477).
14:06<arcticpenguin>!ext3
14:06<dpkg>hmm... ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>.
14:06<arcticpenguin>!ext2
14:06<dpkg>it has been said that ext2 is the standard Linux filesystem, see also resize2fs, or a 2GB filesize For larger files you need a 2.4.x kernel, *and* a glibc which has been compiled against 2.4.x kernel headers.
14:06<Supaplex>woah there
14:06<Supaplex>arcticpenguin: just /query dpkg
14:06<arcticpenguin>ok
14:06-!-forward [~forward@217.20.164.144] has joined #debian
14:07-!-Simon42 [~simon@pD95FBE3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:07<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: basicly initrd is a virtual disk created in ram
14:07-!-Simon42 [~simon@pD95F9D12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
14:07-!-gustavoa [~gustavoa@cone.intercomgi.com.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: did you see the paste?
14:07<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yeah
14:08-!-arcticpenguin [~arcticpen@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit []
14:08<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I dont understand why glx stopped working
14:08<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: probably because xorg updated
14:09<lucas_amorim>yes
14:09-!-Damir [~damir@user91.c5.kamnik.kabelnet.net] has joined #debian
14:09<lucas_amorim>that is a possibility
14:09-!-syntaxman [wade@secure.syntaxman.org] has quit [Server closed connection]
14:09-!-syntaxman [wade@secure.syntaxman.org] has joined #debian
14:09-!-Damir [~damir@user91.c5.kamnik.kabelnet.net] has quit []
14:09<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, so any workarounds?
14:09<forward>hi everyone!
14:10<lucas_amorim>hi :p
14:10<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I think your options are to either setup a initrd for the new kernel like your current kernel or reconfigure the new kernel to have those filesystem modules built-in
14:10<lucas_amorim>I would pick the first, seems to be less work lol
14:11<lucas_amorim>what do you suggest?
14:11<Nemoder>well I went with the latter since I've been customizing my kernel anyway
14:11<lucas_amorim>I would have to recompile all that stuff?
14:12<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: you can try the initrd thing first, I'm a bit hazy on it but uh try make-kpkg --revision=custom1.0 --initrd kernel_image
14:13-!-sssvi01 [~sss@202.168.229.76] has joined #debian
14:13<lucas_amorim>cant I just copy the current initrd to the new kernel?
14:13<Nemoder>no
14:13-!-midget [~midget@167.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
14:13-!-crib [~chris@port-87-234-67-158.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Server closed connection]
14:13<sssvi01>what is deb_checkmd5sum ?
14:13-!-sutula [sutula@free.linux.hp.com] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5]
14:13<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you haven't run make-kpkg clean then it shouldn't take long to rebuild
14:13-!-johann_ [~johann@85-220-115-90.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #debian
14:14<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok
14:14-!-johann_ [~johann@85-220-115-90.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:14-!-crib [~chris@port-87-234-67-158.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #debian
14:14<lucas_amorim>but, shouldn't i remove the deb I have intalled?
14:14<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: when you install the new one it will simply update it
14:14<lucas_amorim>ok
14:15<sssvi01>help
14:15<robokop> /msg dpkg ask
14:15<sssvi01>i need to know that what deb_checkmd5sum do?
14:15-!-robokop [~rob@a-eskwadraat.nl] has left #debian []
14:16<sssvi01>it makes my cpu to work 100%
14:17-!-ace [ace@cpc2-mars1-0-0-cust217.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
14:18-!-grummund [~grummund@aa.dnsdojo.com] has joined #debian
14:19-!-jamonation [jamonation@user144-189.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #debian
14:20-!-sssvi01 [~sss@202.168.229.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:20-!-ewanm89 is now known as Cap_J_L_Picard
14:20-!-Cap_J_L_Picard is now known as ewanm89
14:20-!-jamon is now known as Guest58
14:20-!-jamonation is now known as jamon
14:21<lucas_amorim>Nemoder, it has just finished.. i am going to try again
14:23<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: when installing the package i got a message..
14:23-!-Guest58 [jamonation@user147-210.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:23<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it say I already have the /lib/modules/2.6.23.14/kernel and it will be replaced...
14:23<lucas_amorim>its ok right?
14:23<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: yeah that's fine
14:23<ace>i installed ext2 can acces the linux drive now
14:23<ace>but how do i boot it
14:24-!-thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179019025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:24<Nemoder>ace: you need to boot a rescue CD and rerun grub
14:24<lucas_amorim>brb
14:24-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
14:25-!-forward [~forward@217.20.164.144] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12]
14:26-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:26-!-lajujkej [~robert@adsl-99-139-50-170.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:27<ace>can i use the same instaler cd
14:28<Nemoder>!rescue
14:28<dpkg>rescue is probably at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
14:28-!-trelane [~trelane@dsl093-203-152.ind1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
14:29<ace>thanks
14:29-!-bewolf [~bewolf@41.221.17.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:30<guillaume>what can be use under testing for grabbing movie from dv camcoder ?
14:30-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has joined #debian
14:30<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: didn't work
14:30<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: :(
14:30<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: this time it booted
14:31<Nemoder>where did it fail?
14:31<lucas_amorim>but after the message ALSA loading (or something) I got a black screen with an echoing underline in its corner
14:31<lucas_amorim>tryied ctrl-f1, f2, f7
14:32<lucas_amorim>nothing happend
14:32<lucas_amorim>also tryied single user mode
14:32<Nemoder>hm I haven't seen that happen before
14:32-!-weld [~weld@p54AF5583.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:32-!-nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-172-197.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
14:33<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I saw a suspect message during boot: "/etc/modprobe.conf existis but does not include modprobe.d !"
14:33-!-Otter [otter@c51476a8e.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Server closed connection]
14:33<lucas_amorim>exists*
14:33-!-Otter [~Otter@c51476a8e.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
14:33-!-thomasbl [~thomasbl@78.52.96.6] has joined #debian
14:33-!-githogori [~githogori@SJC-Office-DHCP-158.mail-abuse.org] has joined #debian
14:33<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I don't have a modprobe.conf
14:34<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I have no idea what to do... lol
14:34-!-EmleyMoor [phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com] has joined #debian
14:34<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: is that file left over from a really old kernel?
14:34-!-visik7 [~dksakd@host117-46-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
14:34<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: don't think so
14:35<EmleyMoor>Is there a good tool for copying out crossword layouts and filling them in? (not solving - this is one I have solved)
14:35<lucas_amorim>i intalled this system from a lenny netinst iso an year ago
14:36-!-mirshafie_ [~mirshafie@84-217-31-131.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:36-!-ace [ace@cpc2-mars1-0-0-cust217.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:37<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: I would remove the modprobe.conf file
14:37<lucas_amorim>lucas_amorim what do you think about trying another nvidia version?
14:37-!-berto [~berto@fanzine.igalia.com] has quit [Quit: i was dancing when i was 12 ...]
14:38<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: if you want glx then it doesn't matter, all the nvidia modules require compiling against a kernel with the same gcc
14:38<lucas_amorim>:(
14:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: i dont understand.. I always compiled this driver with gcc-4.2
14:39-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:39<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I cant see what has changed in my system since then
14:39<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: debian should really only use modprobe.d, if it finds a modprobe.conf then it ignores the other one
14:40-!-Tony [~rogers@ladymoor-gate.demon.co.uk] has joined #debian
14:40<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: ok, I am going to remove it
14:40-!-tiagosab [~tiago@189.25.76.206] has quit [Server closed connection]
14:41<lucas_amorim>I am rebooting now to see what i get... brb
14:41-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:41-!-tiagosab [~tiago@189.25.76.206] has joined #debian
14:43-!-fatTONE [~mxldr@adsl-71-135-56-165.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:46-!-visik7 [~dksakd@host117-46-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:46-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has joined #debian
14:47-!-prc320 [~symsr@host86-140-224-172.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
14:47-!-signore [~user@czy202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
14:47-!-signore [~user@czy202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
14:47<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: here I am in the new kernel. gdm could not be started and I could not compile the nvidia driver anyway :(
14:47<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: but, i feel we are closer
14:48<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: nice :)
14:48-!-si0ux [~si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br] has quit [Quit: cd ~]
14:48<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: nvidia gave me no explanation of what happend
14:48<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: just told me to look at the log file
14:48-!-SeveredCross [Steve@dhcp-129-64-131-11.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #debian
14:49-!-jamonation [jamonation@user147-210.wireless.utoronto.ca] has joined #debian
14:49<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: which installer is it?
14:49<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: but now I cant paste anything... lol
14:49<lucas_amorim>can you look above?
14:49<lucas_amorim>I cant copy and paste here... lol
14:49<Nemoder>i would try the 169 instead of 100, but let me check their site
14:49<lucas_amorim>ok
14:49-!-trelane [~trelane@dsl093-203-152.ind1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:50<Nemoder>http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.09/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.09-pkg1.run
14:50-!-thepretender84 [~thepreten@216.229.193.11] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:50<Nemoder>that's for 32bit
14:50<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: does it support 5200
14:50<lucas_amorim>?
14:50<lucas_amorim>ok, i am using 32bit debian
14:50<phorce1>mc: devil: themill: anyone else who's not interested. 'diff' works fine. Working across platforms does not. I looked more closely at each file and whatever they were sorted with (different programs obviously) didn't sort/uniq them the same. I created fresh copies of both, ran them through sed to remove a useless repetitive pattern, ran them through 'sort -i -u', ran 'diff -Nawbirpy', and got correct output.
14:50<Nemoder>it says it supports all the FX series
14:51-!-Tony [~rogers@ladymoor-gate.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12]
14:52<mc>phorce1: oh.
14:52<mc>phorce1: different platforms use different "newline characters"
14:52<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I am going to try
14:52-!-jamon [jamonation@user144-189.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:53<phorce1>cleaning up a virtual mail server. The tool that removes entries from the database was not kicking the script that removes the actual mail folders. Now I have to hack up a bash script to read the result file and 'rm -rf /home/vmail/domain.tld/$1'
14:54-!-screenn [~screenn@92.113.3.152] has quit [Quit: bb all. >;=]]
14:54-!-jesusy [~jesus@52.Red-88-23-47.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
14:55-!-hq4ever [~hq4ever@87.69.74.227] has joined #debian
14:55<phorce1>mc: no, I clean up stray CRLF's with dos2unix automatically out of habit. I run it on any text file I mess with even if I *KNOW* it has never touched a Winblows machine --- just in case.
14:55<mc>phorce1: ah.
14:56<fxiny>dos2unix ? i use flip
14:56<phorce1>mc: it was something about the sorting of the numbers. For some reason something sorted one of the files with strings starting with digits mixed in with strings starting with alpha chars.
14:56-!-jesusy [~jesus@52.Red-88-23-47.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
14:56-!-jesusy [~jesus@52.Red-88-23-47.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
14:56-!-jesusy [~jesus@52.Red-88-23-47.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
14:56<mc>odd
14:57-!-prc320 [~symsr@host86-140-224-172.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:57<phorce1>mc: it made the offsets too great for diff to handle properly without some serious recursion.
14:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 355] by debhelper
14:59<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: I am downloading the driver you linked
15:00-!-drone77 [~null@client-82-26-209-253.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #debian
15:02-!-sepski [~sep@217.17.211.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:03-!-apecat_ [~apecat@osiris.mnwa.net] has joined #debian
15:03-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:03-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
15:03-!-jrolland-iBook [~jrolland@dhcp-14-63.math.uwm.edu] has joined #debian
15:03-!-visik7 [~dksakd@host117-46-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
15:05-!-CaperUrsus [~shades@ppp-69-221-16-121.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #debian
15:05-!-HiHoHAmster [~HAmsty@p579DEE03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
15:05<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: error again
15:06-!-CaperUrsus [~shades@ppp-69-221-16-121.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has left #debian []
15:06<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: can you find the error in the log?
15:06-!-HAmsty [~HAmsty@p5B0E8D6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: the new installer is complaining: "Error: File '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic linc
15:07<lucas_amorim>link*
15:07-!-Reneger__ [~Reneger_@p57BD5D93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
15:07<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: is it enough?
15:07<Nemoder>lucas_amorim: try renaming that file
15:10<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: it also said: unable do create /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 for copying (too many levels of symbolik link)
15:10<lucas_amorim>also said it was unable to restore this last file
15:10-!-swo [~swo@p579B2F2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
15:11<lucas_amorim>nemoder: it seems to be trying to install it anyway
15:11-!-killuminati [sortadi@190.39.128.174] has joined #debian
15:11-!-mp [mp@trans.xmission.com] has quit [Server closed connection]
15:11-!-mp [mp@trans.xmission.com] has joined #debian
15:12-!-qeed [~qeed@adsl-154-176-121.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:12-!-fxiny [~fxiny@host177-20-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:13<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: It finished installation, I could start gnome successfully :) I am going to try a 3D app now
15:13<Nemoder>yay
15:14-!-Reneger [~Reneger_@p57BD5275.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yeah!
15:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: thank you
15:15<Nemoder>glad it worked :)
15:15-!-mov [~mov@189-31-101-118.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: .]
15:15<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: If you are glad, you can imagine how i am lol
15:15<Nemoder>if xorg updates again you should only have to reinstall the driver
15:16-!-killuminati [sortadi@190.39.128.174] has quit []
15:16<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: yes, this I have already done
15:16<Nemoder>although if gcc has another major update you might have to rebuild the kernel again
15:16<lucas_amorim>lol
15:16-!-nuber [~slevenele@adsl-69-154-10-135.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #debian
15:16<lucas_amorim>i hope it doesn't
15:16<lucas_amorim>see you
15:16<lucas_amorim>thanks
15:16<Nemoder>np cya
15:16<lucas_amorim>hey
15:16<lucas_amorim>and what about those errors?
15:17<lucas_amorim>I mean, why did it worked? lol
15:17-!-DocTrax [~PHP@p5B12ADE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: INIT 0]
15:17<nuber>could someone help me with an error i'm getting in module-assistant?
15:17<Nemoder>well you can check /usr/lib/libGL* and see where stuff is linked
15:17-!-Politics [~Politics@207-47-255-106.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #debian
15:18-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.236.184] has joined #debian
15:18-!-nici [~nici@sign-4d097646.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #debian
15:18-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.236.184] has quit []
15:18<lucas_amorim>ok
15:18<lucas_amorim>c u
15:18-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.236.184] has joined #debian
15:18-!-nici [~nici@sign-4d097646.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #debian []
15:18-!-lucas_amorim [~lucas@189.71.166.29] has quit [Quit: leaving]
15:19-!-jamonation [jamonation@user147-210.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:19-!-jas4711 [~jas@c80-216-80-66.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
15:19-!-MoDaX [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #debian
15:20-!-snowball_ [~snowball@nly93-1-82-232-72-199.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
15:22-!-mats [~mats@c83-252-53-206.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #debian
15:23-!-lauriexxx [~tisha@ACaen-257-1-119-117.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
15:23-!-HellTiger [~HellTiger@p5B0CDD6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
15:25-!-bremner [~bremner@pivot.cs.unb.ca] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
15:31-!-Zygo [meow@zblaxell.ott.istop.com] has quit [Quit: Permission revoked - dircproxy 1.0.5]
15:32<nuber>can someone tell me where to find the ieee80211 source packages
15:32-!-abc [~guest@117.192.0.51] has joined #debian
15:32-!-Zygo [meow@100-12.dsl.otton1.isp.cyberus.ca] has joined #debian
15:33<themill>!wayttd nuber
15:33<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, nuber?
15:34-!-sindre [~sindre@ti221110a081-0391.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
15:34<nuber>install the iee80211 module using module-assistant
15:34<themill>for what wireless driver?
15:34<nuber>yeah
15:35<nuber>but m-a can't find the package ieee80211-modules-2.6-686
15:35-!-angasule [~angasule@190.49.205.231] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
15:36<themill>for what wireless driver?
15:37<nuber>ipw3945
15:37<themill>I thought so... there are easier ways.
15:37<themill>!ipw3945
15:37<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
15:38<themill>nuber: if you are using the kernel in etch, you don't need to compile ieee80211 yourself. If you are using 2.6.23 or newer, then you could use iwl3945 instead. /msg dpkg iwlwifi
15:39-!-bouke [~bdbtp@84-245-33-245.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #debian
15:39*bouke wishes everybody a good evening
15:39-!-grim_fandango [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1177656019.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
15:40-!-guillaume [~guillaume@86.71.35.37] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
15:41<bouke>Question, about global linux, i'm looking for an gui irc client ? any suggestions ?
15:41<nuber>thanks I think I got it working now
15:41<themill>I use konversation. Others are using xchat.
15:41<themill>nuber: excellent ;)
15:42<bouke>i'm @ gnome, can't use konversation than ? or can i
15:42<nuber>hey I'm trying to learn linux/GNU using debian on my laptop, would it be a good idea to join my local L.U.G.?
15:42-!-j0kEr [~j0kEr@host148-38-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
15:42-!-j0kEr [~j0kEr@host148-38-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
15:43<dkr>nuber: yes, local lugs oftenhave meetings with presentations on using linux and various related software to help folks learn
15:43-!-corrado [~corrado@host16-213-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
15:43<nuber>cool
15:44-!-neant [neant@dsl-10-129-134.b2b2c.ca] has joined #debian
15:45<nuber>thanks for the help guys. l8r
15:45-!-nuber [~slevenele@adsl-69-154-10-135.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has left #debian []
15:45-!-d0rt [~ni@d90h45.public.simons-rock.edu] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
15:46<neant>hello, im wondering if its possible to have different volume for different applications.. ex: adjusting the volume on iceweasel/youtube without touching the sound of audacious/xmms
15:47<dondelelcaro>neant: depends on hte application
15:47<neant>dondelelcaro: well in that case it would be firefox and audacious do you know ?
15:48<dondelelcaro>xmms can do it by setting amplification settings, but I don't know if the flash or gnash plugins can control it that way
15:48<Nemoder>audacious has a "software volume control" option in output settings
15:49-!-munckfish [~munckfish@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
15:51-!-weld [~weld@p54AF49D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
15:51-!-ModestUser [~michael@dslb-088-067-042-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
15:52-!-bouke_ [~bouke@84-245-33-245.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #debian
15:52-!-mats [~mats@c83-252-53-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:53-!-neant [neant@dsl-10-129-134.b2b2c.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
15:53<bouke>ok thx i use xchat on my server now.
15:53<bouke_>hi all
15:54*bouke signing out.
15:54-!-bouke [~bdbtp@84-245-33-245.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit []
15:55-!-Yhouse [~Alessandr@host76-191-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
15:55-!-witte [~witte@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #debian
15:55-!-Yhouse [~Alessandr@host76-191-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
15:55-!-b0r0las [~mmejiav@190.84.254.27] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
15:57-!-user [~user@host81-148-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
15:58<bouke_>tricky question, i've set up an samba server, with a hp laserjet 1005 with foo2zjs, but if i connect to it true samba, i need to install windows driver.
15:58-!-user [~user@host81-148-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:59<bouke_>unfortuanly the printer doesnt work on vista yet, but i've connected it before on a winxp server, those drivers i want to add on my linux server
15:59<bouke_>the question is HOW.
16:00-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.236.184] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
16:00-!-juliank [~juliank@f054160137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:01-!-corrado [~corrado@host16-213-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
16:02-!-rik_ [~rik@213.219.143.21.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #debian
16:02-!-corrado [~corrado@host16-213-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
16:03-!-rik_ [~rik@213.219.143.21.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:03-!-corrado [~corrado@host16-213-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian []
16:03-!-znalo [ambrose@143.196.221.203-static.velocitynet.com.au] has quit [Server closed connection]
16:03-!-znalo [ambrose@143.196.221.203-static.velocitynet.com.au] has joined #debian
16:05-!-panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
16:08-!-abc [~guest@117.192.0.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:09-!-Swissgent [~upvr@80-218-146-36.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:11-!-adriano [~adriano@189.21.212.10] has joined #debian
16:13-!-nctrnl01 [~nctrnl01@74-136-161-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #debian
16:14<nctrnl01>hi all
16:14-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:14<valdyn>bouke_: why do you insist in using windows printer sharing?
16:14<valdyn>bouke_: cups sharing works too..
16:17<nctrnl01>does anyone know why mutt keeps getting "No authenticators available" when I try to send using Gmail?
16:17-!-ewanm89 is now known as Cap_J_L_Picard
16:17<valdyn>nctrnl01: are you using authentication?
16:17-!-Cap_J_L_Picard is now known as ewanm89
16:18<valdyn>nctrnl01: gmail requires auth.
16:18<nctrnl01>it says its using SSL/TLS, but then bombs out
16:18-!-eddie [~eddie@129.10.231.183] has joined #debian
16:18<valdyn>nctrnl01: alright, i never used mutt with anything but mtas
16:19-!-eddie is now known as kracit
16:19<valdyn>nctrnl01: maybe you want to use a real mta
16:19<kracit>hi
16:19<valdyn>nctrnl01: ( though there is not much use in that if you use just only mutt )
16:19<kracit>my first time with this program :)
16:20<valdyn>nctrnl01: anyway, debian has a few mtas that specialise in being controlled by the user, not the admin
16:22<valdyn>nctrnl01: btw, make sure you have openssl installed
16:22<nctrnl01>yep, got openssl 0.9.8g-3
16:23-!-Genghis [genghis@78-21-253-62.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:23-!-kracit [~eddie@129.10.231.183] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
16:23<valdyn>nctrnl01: read http://velt.de/blog/sven/mutt-quot-no-authenticators-available-quot
16:23-!-weld [~weld@p54AF49D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:24<valdyn>nctrnl01: first hit on google for your error message by the way
16:25-!-stephane [~stephane@modemcable248.217-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #debian
16:25-!-stephane [~stephane@modemcable248.217-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit []
16:26<valdyn>to bad neant is gone... pulseaudio is great for what he wants
16:26<mc>hah
16:26<mc>a
16:26<nctrnl01>damn.... that worked
16:26<valdyn>nctrnl01: nice!
16:26-!-adriano [~adriano@189.21.212.10] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
16:26<valdyn>nctrnl01: feel free to report some bug about that
16:26<mc>damn colleagues of mine. post helpful hints
16:26<nctrnl01>apparently i'm using the wrong search terms on google. . .
16:26<valdyn>nctrnl01: or maybe that is mentioned already in /usr/share/doc/mutt
16:27<valdyn>nctrnl01: complete error message is usually fine in google
16:27<mc>seems youre doing alot of things wrong :P
16:27<nctrnl01>possibly
16:28<nctrnl01>now to try to figure out how to get rid of that pesky "Word has not been installed for this user" error in wine
16:29-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
16:30-!-aredhel [~aredhel@pool-70-19-238-225.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:31-!-makke [~makke@p50915320.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: "Life’s a piece of shit, when you look at it" -- Eric Idle]
16:34-!-drone77 [~null@client-82-26-209-253.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:37-!-fatTONE [~mxldr@adsl-71-135-57-69.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
16:38-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:38-!-ppofuk [~petar@15-114.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #debian
16:38-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
16:42-!-pacifico [~pacifico@213-140-19-126.fastres.net] has joined #debian
16:44-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.236.184] has joined #debian
16:44-!-lauriexxx [~tisha@ACaen-257-1-119-117.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:44-!-pacifico [~pacifico@213-140-19-126.fastres.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:45-!-blubberdiblub [foobar@dslb-088-072-062-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme]
16:45-!-entrega [~entrega@hil-100-218.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #debian
16:45-!-entrega [~entrega@hil-100-218.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit []
16:46-!-dasmaze [~mathias@e178222179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
16:48-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.236.184] has left #debian []
16:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 349] by debhelper
16:49-!-infernix [~nix@spirit.infernix.net] has quit [Server closed connection]
16:50-!-infernix [nix@spirit.infernix.net] has joined #debian
16:50<nctrnl01>thanks all
16:50-!-nctrnl01 [~nctrnl01@74-136-161-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: leaving]
16:53-!-bouke_ [~bouke@84-245-33-245.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg]
16:53-!-oloap [~paolo@62-101-126-224.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #debian
16:54-!-amycus [~amycus@r190-64-84-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #debian
16:54-!-scott_ [~scott@208.110.35.92] has joined #debian
16:54-!-oloap [~paolo@62-101-126-224.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit []
16:55-!-matth [evan@gelim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:55-!-matth [evan@gelim.net] has joined #debian
16:55-!-d0rt [~ni@69.37.99.221] has joined #debian
16:57-!-scott_ is now known as sco50000
16:58-!-mikes [~mikes@athedsl-68650.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:58-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:59-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
16:59-!-mikes [~mikes@athedsl-68650.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian
17:02-!-axxum [axxum@89.137.201.61] has joined #debian
17:02<sco50000>how do i get debian to use my special media keys, like the pause-play, stop, volume, mute buttons?
17:03-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-136.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:03<jrolland-iMac>How do I get debian to open link in icedove in iceweasel, not iceape browser?
17:03<jrolland-iMac>I tried desktop -> Preferences -> preferred applications
17:04-!-crazyb0y [antov@zenith.knackery.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:04-!-sadaiyappan [~sadaiyapp@adsl-76-203-42-47.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
17:04-!-rajneesh [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #debian
17:04-!-sadaiyappan [~sadaiyapp@adsl-76-203-42-47.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit []
17:05-!-snowball_ [~snowball@nly93-1-82-232-72-199.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:05-!-captainchris [~captainch@ANice-256-1-101-212.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
17:05-!-trelane [~trelane@dsl093-203-152.ind1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
17:06-!-axxum [axxum@89.137.201.61] has quit []
17:06-!-emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has quit [Quit: That's all for now, folks]
17:06-!-Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-238-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #debian
17:08-!-meandtheshel1 [~sa@85-127-204-19.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
17:08-!-devil [~devil@dslb-088-072-249-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:09-!-kutio [~kutio@vig38-1-82-67-76-10.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
17:10-!-SeveredCross [Steve@dhcp-129-64-131-11.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
17:10-!-lupo [~knoppix@81-208-74-185.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #debian
17:10-!-ace [ace@cpc4-mars1-0-0-cust894.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
17:10<sco50000>how do i get debian to use my special media keys, like the pause-play, stop, volume, mute buttons?
17:11-!-phorce1 [~gvl2@65.170.133.231] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
17:11-!-phorce1 [~gvl2@65.170.133.231] has joined #debian
17:12-!-tarik [~chatzilla@41.251.66.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:13<ace>it is possible to have both os windows drive 1 linux debain drive 2 boot both at the same time correct ?
17:13-!-angelozs [~Angelo@200-181-254-160.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:14-!-azeem_ [~mbanck@ppp-88-217-45-233.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #debian
17:14-!-azeem-un1 [~mbanck@ppp-88-217-45-233.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #debian
17:14-!-dwar [~dwar@154.163.216.81.static.g-fa.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:15-!-dwar [~dwar@154.163.216.81.static.g-fa.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #debian
17:15-!-jscinoz [~jscinoz@124-171-2-204.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
17:16-!-der_ToWo [~torsten@p54B63FC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: der_ToWo]
17:17-!-munckfish [~munckfish@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:17-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:17-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
17:17-!-lupo [~knoppix@81-208-74-185.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:21-!-rasebo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has joined #debian
17:21-!-azeem-uni [~mbanck@ppp-88-217-31-163.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:21-!-azeem [~mbanck@ppp-88-217-31-163.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:25-!-drmay [~drmay@181.Red-88-5-228.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:26-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@203-217-90-227.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:27-!-HellTiger [~HellTiger@p5B0CDD6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/]
17:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 340] by debhelper
17:29-!-ServerSide [~home_debi@77.197.163.183] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
17:29-!-error3 [~error3@error3.dyndns.org] has joined #debian
17:31-!-predder [~predder@70.55.220.203.static.comindico.com.au] has quit [Quit: OMFG RUN!]
17:32-!-flub [~flub@80-68-82-183.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk] has joined #debian
17:32-!-error3 [~error3@error3.dyndns.org] has quit []
17:32-!-adam_ [~adam@data-04.subscribers.sferia.net] has joined #debian
17:32-!-tor [~tor@c-2667e555.125-14-64736c16.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
17:32-!-thomasbl [~thomasbl@78.52.96.6] has quit [Quit: bye]
17:33-!-adam_ [~adam@data-04.subscribers.sferia.net] has left #debian []
17:34-!-dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:34-!-pds [~chatzilla@nat.sierrabravo.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]]
17:35-!-ben [~ben@students.birmtb.liberty.ask4.co.uk] has joined #debian
17:35-!-ben [~ben@students.birmtb.liberty.ask4.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:36-!-ace [ace@cpc4-mars1-0-0-cust894.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:36<sco50000>how do i get debian to use my special media keys, like the pause-play, stop, volume, mute buttons?
17:37-!-Altug [~BeRq__@88.229.10.37] has joined #debian
17:37-!-Altug [~BeRq__@88.229.10.37] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a source of spam. - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2008-01-21 22:37:27)]
17:37<witte>sco50000: hotkeys?
17:37<witte>sco50000: or maybe keytouch
17:38-!-Batu [~^^SEVGi@85.96.156.70] has joined #debian
17:38-!-Batu [~^^SEVGi@85.96.156.70] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a home to spammers. - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2008-01-21 22:38:57)]
17:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 334] by debhelper
17:39<abrotman>!info lineakd etch
17:39<sco50000>how do i use kotkeys? i installed it
17:39-!-devil [~devil@dslb-088-072-249-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
17:39<dpkg>lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB
17:39-!-Atomo64 [~Atomo64@201.164.234.14] has joined #debian
17:39-!-TATAR------- [~okan-_-@88.252.185.126] has joined #debian
17:39-!-TATAR------- [~okan-_-@88.252.185.126] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a home to spammers. - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2008-01-21 22:39:38)]
17:40<witte>sco50000: I have no idea, i do not use it
17:40<sco50000>lineakd looks like it should do the job, thanks abrotman
17:42-!-tiCo [mario@nemesis.uid0.ch] has joined #debian
17:45-!-war_ [~war@209.136.127.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:47-!-HiHoHAmster [~HAmsty@p579DEE03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )]
17:48-!-phorce1 [~gvl2@65.170.133.231] has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:49-!-fishy__ [~fishy@128.39.81.243] has joined #debian
17:49<fishy__>anyone with debian-mips or debian-installer experience here? Having a weird problem with debian-installer on a mips (IP32 O2)
17:49-!-Clumsy_Roo1 [~leoz@132-36.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
17:49-!-knoppix_ [~knoppix@212.97.189.129.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
17:50-!-alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has quit [Quit: alvarezp]
17:50<fishy__>using testing/main/installer-mips/current/images/r5k-ip32/netboot-boot.img on a 180MHz IP32 O2, fdisk partitions SGI label OK, mkfs.ext3 formats partition OK, but debian-installer keeps telling me "No partitions were found"
17:50-!-knoppix_ is now known as Guest77
17:50-!-tzafrir_home [~tzafrir@bzq-179-75-202.static.bezeqint.net] has left #debian [Leaving]
17:50-!-Guest77 [~knoppix@212.97.189.129.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit []
17:52<witte>fishy__: maybe try at #debian-boot
17:53<fishy__>witte: tnx, doing so now :D
17:54-!-Clumsy_Root [~leoz@203-54.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:55-!-Rapciuch87 [~rapciuch@proxy.leczna.enterpol.pl] has joined #debian
17:55-!-Rapciuch87 [~rapciuch@proxy.leczna.enterpol.pl] has quit []
17:58<fishy__>not a whole lot of response tho :P
17:59<witte>fishy__: you could try the mailing list
17:59-!-nomeata [nobody@nomeata.de] has joined #debian
18:00-!-phil__ [~phil@c-66-41-155-56.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
18:00-!-phil__ [~phil@c-66-41-155-56.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:00-!-grim_fandango [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1177656019.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
18:00-!-pieisgood [~pieisgood@cpe-76-176-69-89.san.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
18:01<fishy__>witte: jup, naturally... but I thought I'd try the "real-time" medias first :P
18:01-!-azeem_ is now known as azeem
18:01<fishy__>witte: hihi, irc'ing from emacs are we? :P
18:02<witte>fishy__: is there any other way?
18:02<witte>:-)
18:02-!-amycus [~amycus@r190-64-84-67.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:02<fishy__>lol, yes, specially if you belong to "that other religion" :P
18:02<pieisgood>word up all
18:02<fishy__>pieisgood: timing :P
18:03-!-Metal_Militia [~ioppo@host-84-222-25-81.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
18:03<pieisgood>fishy: I don't understand
18:05<witte>pieisgood: nevermind, welcome!
18:05<fishy__>I was just stating that I am a vi/vim-guy, as opposed to witte, who clearly is an emacs guy... when you show up and exclaim "_word_ up.."
18:05<fishy__>:D
18:05-!-omer3 [~omer@abo-41-90-68.mrs.modulonet.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:06-!-javo [~chatzilla@host94.201-252-45.telecom.net.ar] has joined #debian
18:07<pieisgood>yeah... I don't know about all that lol but thanks wittie and fishy
18:07-!-izrael [~izrael@189.132.250.94] has joined #debian
18:07<pieisgood>ok, I have connected a D-link DBT-120 to my laptop and I have also installed xpad360 (with wireless support) but I can't get it to connect to the device
18:07-!-izrael [~izrael@189.132.250.94] has quit []
18:07<pieisgood>:(
18:08<pieisgood>have any of you guys tried to work with an xbox 360 controller using bluetooth before?
18:09<fishy__>I've tested communication and use of the Wiimote, but 360 stuff, no, sorry...
18:10<witte>pieisgood: nope, sorry, i had to google for DBT-120 and xpad360 :P
18:10-!-posix [~posix@cpe0013462006cd-cm000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:10-!-Reneger__ [~Reneger_@p57BD5D93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Reneger__]
18:11<streuner_>fishy__: How about to answer all questions?
18:11<witte>pieisgood: can you see the device with hcitool scan
18:12-!-Myon_ [myon@myon.noc.oftc.net] has joined #debian
18:12-!-delparnel [~delparnel@CPE001839f2889c-CM00137185dfb6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: delparnel]
18:12<pieisgood>no lol
18:12-!-Myon [myon@myon.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Killed (Myon_ (go away))]
18:13-!-Myon_ is now known as Myon
18:13<witte>pieisgood: does your dlink thing work (hciconfig)
18:13<pieisgood>well, It can see my phone
18:13-!-noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:13<pieisgood>just not my controller
18:13-!-Knorrie [knorrie@yoshi.kantoor.mendix.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:13-!-Lynx [~axe@struppi.hadiko.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:13-!-schoinobates [~lmamane@capsaicin.mamane.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:14-!-ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:14<pieisgood>yeah the device is working
18:14<fishy__>streuner_: how about answering when one has experience with related technology, one might actually be able to help?
18:15-!-slaxz [~slaxz@p54B44D18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:15-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:15-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
18:16<fishy__>pieisgood: does the xbox-controller have any kind of "sync" or "connect" buttons? starting a "connect" procedure may be neccesary for it to show up during hci scan
18:16<pieisgood>oh snap
18:16<pieisgood>I am fucking retarded
18:16<pieisgood>I have just been turning it on... and not pressing the sync button
18:16<fishy__>:P
18:16<pieisgood>I hate my self ... so much
18:16<fishy__>nono, common mistake :P
18:17<pieisgood>lets see if it works!
18:17<streuner_>fishy__: how you threat people who want help you is very nice...
18:17<klando>Hi, i am trying to "mount -r --bind a b" but b is still writable ...
18:17<klando>any idea ?
18:17-!-patriots2008 [~patrotswi@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
18:17-!-Anon940 [~jt@190.51.154.132] has joined #debian
18:17<fishy__>streuner_: ehm?
18:17<Anon940>hi guys
18:17-!-knoppix__ [~knoppix@82-32-14-84.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
18:17-!-picazzo [~picazzo@80-219-79-30.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
18:18<themill>klando: can't be done yet. pity, but true.
18:18<fishy__>streuner_: did I mis-read you completely?
18:18<Anon940>I am trying to put a new topic on debian.org, but an error appear, what I do???
18:18<streuner_>fishy__: yes, you didnt answer a question in freenode
18:18-!-knoppix__ is now known as Guest85
18:18-!-picazzo [~picazzo@80-219-79-30.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit []
18:18<Guest85>help please, how to get write permission to hda1 from knoppix live cd?
18:18<klando>themill, rah.... perhaps something in your cookbook to do something like that ?
18:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
18:19<kop>!tell Guest85 -about knoppix
18:19-!-Fro0[-_-]0ozeN [~alves@189.12.111.106] has joined #debian
18:19<themill>klando: if you really need it, then you can try an nfs mount to loopback and you can do that ro not rw.
18:20<Guest85>kop i don't understand?
18:20<klando>yes, tht was the other option I saw..ok, will go this way
18:20<klando>thank you themill
18:20<themill>Guest85: knoppix is not debian. Please ask in #knoppix not in #debian.
18:20<Guest85>ok
18:20<themill>klando: no worries. Have fun.
18:20<Anon940>hey, guys
18:20<patriots2008>is debian better than ubuntu
18:20<Anon940>I did a bad installation with Debian 4.0
18:21<pieisgood>OK! so that didn't work
18:21<streuner_>partri: thats you asking in #debian? ;-)
18:21<Anon940>the RAID is configure by Setup MoBo
18:21<pieisgood>I hate my self less now
18:21<streuner_>patriots2008: ^^^
18:21<Anon940>I configure the installation in this way
18:21<Guest85>there is nobody in the knoppix channel
18:21-!-Knorrie [knorrie@yoshi.kantoor.mendix.nl] has joined #debian
18:21<Anon940>sba: I define the /swap, /, and /var partition
18:21<kop>patriots2008 : That's a matter of opinion. Debian folks think debian stable is more stable than ubuntu. That seems to be generally acknowledged.
18:21<Xenguy>patriots2008: I think so (just MHO :-)
18:22<azeem>Guest85: #knoppix on irc.freenode.net
18:22-!-Lynx [~axe@struppi.hadiko.de] has joined #debian
18:22<Anon940>and for the second SATA disk, I put 'physic volume for RAID'
18:22<patriots2008>ubuntu is based off of debian unstable
18:22<themill>Guest85: try on freenode
18:22<patriots2008>?
18:22<Anon940>and continue with the installation
18:22<Guest85>surely somebody must know how i can gain write partition to hda1 with knoppix live cd??
18:22<Xenguy>patriots2008: what kop said; I have run Ubu also
18:22<fishy__>streuner_: sorry.
18:22-!-schoinobates [~lmamane@capsaicin.mamane.lu] has joined #debian
18:22<patriots2008>ok
18:22-!-patriots2008 [~patrotswi@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:22<streuner_>fishy__: thanks
18:22<fishy__>streuner_: read you completely wrong... thought you were referring to something in this channel
18:23<azeem>Guest85: not us, because we do not run knoppix
18:23-!-ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has joined #debian
18:24<Guest85>azeem i thought linux commands were universal
18:24<kop>Guest85: The "man mount" command will probably tell you to do "mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1". But ya know, this sort of thing can really bork your system and, uh, we don't run knoppix.
18:24<fishy__>pieisgood: hum, bummer... well, since my knowledge of MS-stuff is fairly limited, it seems that's as much as I can say about xbox360-stuff...
18:24<Tarcas>Guest85: You can always try unmounting it and remounting it as r/w, but as for knoppix specifics on how to do that, we're not the group to ask.
18:24-!-Anon940 [~jt@190.51.154.132] has quit [Quit: http://www.esdebian.org]
18:24<pieisgood>fishy__: thanks anyway... I'll go bother ubuntu
18:24<devil>Guest85: try sudo passwd
18:24<Xenguy>Guest85: I think one is, you need to be aware of where you ask for help for what :-)
18:24<devil>Guest85: then set one for the session
18:25<Guest85>ok thanks
18:25-!-Guest85 [~knoppix@82-32-14-84.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:26-!-fl4mi [~josi@e180067182.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
18:26<fishy__>pieisgood: hihi
18:29-!-nomeata [nobody@nomeata.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
18:37-!-derfel [~derfel@host201-65-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:38-!-javo [~chatzilla@host94.201-252-45.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:42-!-th1bill [~th1bill@adsl-68-88-23-247.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #debian
18:42-!-th1bill [~th1bill@adsl-68-88-23-247.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:45<pieisgood>turns out the 360 controller isn't bluetooth.. is 2.4ghz RF
18:45-!-PretoDuKaa [~esdras@189.27.18.20.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
18:45<pieisgood>I have an RF port... apperently not even windows can talk to the controller using a computer RF
18:45<pieisgood>sexy
18:46-!-tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:46-!-PretoDuKaa [~esdras@189.27.18.20.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit []
18:47-!-PretoDuKaa [~esdras@189.27.18.20.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
18:47-!-osvaldo [~osvaldo@190.48.26.116] has joined #debian
18:48<PretoDuKaa>brasil??
18:48-!-posix [~posix@cpe0013462006cd-cm000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #debian
18:48<PretoDuKaa>entao
18:48-!-witte [~witte@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:49<osvaldo>hi, this is my first time here, and using linux (ubuntu) I want to know how install Drivers for my laptop with intel 945 chipset
18:50-!-PretoDuKaa [~esdras@189.27.18.20.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit []
18:52<themill>osvaldo: the drivers should be installed automatically from the package xserver-xorg-video-i810 or -intel. But for ubuntu questions, you should as #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:52-!-devil [~devil@dslb-088-072-249-083.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:52-!-fl4mi [~josi@e180067182.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:54-!-ngranek [~bigjocker@201.248.40.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:54-!-tolecnal [tolecnal@login.tolecnal.net] has joined #debian
18:56-!-ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:57-!-mosquito_ [~mosquito@ns2.brjansk.ru] has joined #debian
18:57-!-mosquito_ [~mosquito@ns2.brjansk.ru] has left #debian []
18:57-!-faw [~felipe@faw.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
18:57-!-Wyzard [~mike@c-69-243-83-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection]
18:58-!-Wyzard [~mike@c-69-243-83-49.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:00-!-rajneesh [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
19:00-!-killuminati [~sortadi@190.39.128.174] has joined #debian
19:01-!-fabrizzio [~fabrizzio@190.4.52.210] has joined #debian
19:01<fabrizzio>hola
19:02<fabrizzio>alguien que sepa hablar en español
19:02<themill>!es
19:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:02<Tarcas>!es
19:02<themill>!win themill
19:02<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
19:02-!-fabrizzio [~fabrizzio@190.4.52.210] has quit []
19:04-!-rasebo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:05-!-fingolfin [~fingolfin@79-65-235-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #debian
19:05<fingolfin>hello?
19:06-!-shoot [~fisk@c-29dde255.235-6-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
19:06<fingolfin>is anybody here?
19:07<fishy__>hullo
19:07<fingolfin>oh hi, please bear with me im a linux (ubuntu) first timer! i was looking at http://www.ubuntu.com/support/communitysupport for help, but im not sure how to login to the chat help network they mention
19:07-!-osvaldo [~osvaldo@190.48.26.116] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:08<fingolfin>this server thing was already on the program
19:08<fishy__>fingolfin: take a look at the topic in this channel...
19:08<Tarcas>fingolfin: No Ubuntu users here. Sorry.
19:08<fingolfin>oh ok :-(
19:09-!-fingolfin [~fingolfin@79-65-235-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #debian []
19:09<fishy__>fingolfin: you might have better luck in that other channel :P sorry...
19:09-!-jello [~joe@dot.nahmias.net] has joined #debian
19:10<fishy__>poof..
19:10-!-fishy__ [~fishy@128.39.81.243] has left #debian []
19:11-!-thepretender84 [~thepreten@65.7.3.136] has joined #debian
19:11-!-jae_ [~jae@e180231150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
19:12*dkr wonders how he got here but can't get to freenode
19:12<shoot>Anyone here good with synaptics touchpad? I require some assistance with changing the sensitivity of mine, gsynaptics and the builtin gnome-mouse-manager doesn't respond to whatever I set the sensitivity to.
19:13-!-jae [~jae@e176255046.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:15<shoot>(I'm using debian etch on gnome kernel 2.6.18-5-686)
19:16<Tarcas>Hmm... had the same issue. Never did get that worked out, not that I tried much.
19:17<jello>dkr: irc.debian.org points to OFTC...
19:17<shoot>Tarcas: it doesn't seem as if anyone has, I've tried googling and searching on the official forums but I can't seem to find anyone who has done it with the specific synaptics touchpad on debian etch
19:18-!-SeveredCross [~Steve@dhcp-129-64-131-11.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #debian
19:18-!-snogglethorpe [~snog@203-216-99-223.dsl.gol.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: work]
19:18<shoot>conclusion I've come to is that you've got to edit xorg.conf, but for some it works with g/qsynaptics
19:18-!-witte [~witte@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #debian
19:18<shoot>haven't found the right options for xorg.conf and like I said the synaptics manager(s) doesnt work
19:18<shoot>Was hoping someone in here would have solved the issue
19:19-!-N1ghtCrawler [~n1ghtcraw@c-5596e155.124-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Server closed connection]
19:19-!-N1ghtCrawler [~n1ghtcraw@c-5596e155.124-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
19:20-!-mikes_ [~mikes@athedsl-291917.home.otenet.gr] has joined #debian
19:21-!-stroyan` [~stroyan@207.189.193.136] has joined #debian
19:22-!-stroyan [~stroyan@207.189.193.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:22-!-stroyan` [~stroyan@207.189.193.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:22<shoot>Guessing not.. Okay :P
19:23<witte>shoot: i came in late, can you repeat your question?
19:23<shoot>01:12… shoot: Anyone here good with synaptics touchpad? I require some assistance with changing the sensitivity of mine, gsynaptics and the builtin gnome-mouse-manager doesn't respond to whatever I set the sensitivity to.
19:24-!-esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
19:24-!-dweller-in-peace [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #debian
19:24-!-dweller-in-peace [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has left #debian []
19:25-!-osvaldo [~osvaldo@adl-225-30.user.adllink.com.br] has joined #debian
19:25<kop>shoot: As a last resort there's the documentation that comes with the kernel. It might have notes for the driver.
19:25-!-osvaldo [~osvaldo@adl-225-30.user.adllink.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:25-!-mikes [~mikes@athedsl-68650.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:25<shoot>I guess I could try that... bah :P
19:26<witte>shoot: also have a look at whatever is in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/
19:26<shoot>README.Debian?
19:27<witte>shoot: well, yes, that is one of them
19:27<witte>I usually only configure my synaptics touchpad off, so i am not an expert...
19:29<witte>here is a site that also could be of help: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/
19:30-!-hazard2 [~hazard@pool-71-174-233-177.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
19:30-!-hazard2 [~hazard@pool-71-174-233-177.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit []
19:30-!-shortbus [~doug@208.65.86.162] has quit [Server closed connection]
19:30-!-shortbus [~doug@208.65.86.162] has joined #debian
19:31<shoot>only thing I found interesting was accelfactor
19:32-!-guppysap13 [~greg@c-68-38-224-29.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:32-!-guppysap13 [~greg@c-68-38-224-29.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has left #debian []
19:34<witte>shoot: you could try to ask at #xorg on freenodes, but i am not sure if that would be appropriate there
19:35<shoot>I'll try that for some other day I think
19:36-!-dvs [~dvs@cwv.teksavvy.com] has joined #debian
19:36<shoot>Thanks for trying though witte, much appreciated
19:36<witte>np
19:37<shoot>I only have one more question which anyone should be able to answer: Should I move on from etch to lenny? I've been trying loads of apps such as AWN and more but they wont do it for me in etch. Is there any downside with lenny except for the unstable factor (which I don't think is that bad)
19:38<dvs>shoot: unstable doesn't mean that the programs crash a lot. It means that the packages change frequently
19:39<shoot>So really, as a normal desktop user (on a laptop), should I or shouldn't I update to lenny? I guess this is my own choice to make but I've been asking myself the very question the last few days just because it feels as if backports don't have any of the packages I want and there is quite a few I'd like to have on my machine.
19:39<Xenguy>dvs: the latter can produce the former :-)
19:39<dvs>shoot: for a desktop system, I'd do it.
19:40<witte>shoot: lenny is quite stable if it is a desktop machine and you have reasonable linux experience (you can google and help yourself)
19:40<witte>shoot: i use lenny at work, and I don't have any problems with it
19:40<witte>shoot: if you have to use a lot of packages from backports, I would go for lenny
19:40-!-themill [~stuart@86.53.48.59] has quit [Quit: ZZZZZzzzzzzzz.............]
19:40<shoot>Thanks, this pretty much just gives me a thumbs up on what I've been thinking already :-P
19:40<witte>shoot: I run unstable on my laptop and home desktop, and that also works nicely (most of the time)
19:41<dvs>shoot: I've been using Debian since bo and I've never used unstable.
19:41<Xenguy>I use to run sid religiously, but now I'm lazy and run stable
19:41<Xenguy>s/use/used
19:41-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
19:41<shoot>isn't sid the 'bleeding edge' though?
19:41<shoot>Compared to lenny that is
19:42<dvs>shoot: exactly. That's where the problems first appear.
19:42<Xenguy>I've got 4 machines at home to look after, so stable is easier maintenance I think
19:42<witte>shoot: lenny is unstable of at least 10 days old without big errors
19:43<witte>shoot: and I run unstable only at my home systems, not at work...
19:43<shoot>Hm, okay
19:43<dvs>witte: aww. Be brave. Run it at work. ;-)
19:43<Xenguy>One example was the problems with Lenny and Nvidia drivers -- bit of a mess there for a bit
19:43<witte>dvs: i did it for more than 2 years, but then I had some problems which I could no longer justify ;-)
19:44<shoot>Basically I use my laptop at school and a little at home with the ordinary computer use such as surfing / music / movie / some web-developing
19:44-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@124-168-54-102.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
19:44<witte>dvs: I think i had X broken for a week or so :P
19:44-!-jscinoz_ [~jscinoz@124-171-0-247.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
19:44<dvs>witte: write your own X . ;-)
19:44<witte>dvs: I am not that good :-)
19:45<Xenguy>hehe
19:45<witte>shoot: backup first, then try lenny
19:45<shoot>And like I said I seem to find more and more packages which is not available in etch.
19:45<Xenguy>shoot: worth checking the backports for stable
19:46<shoot>I've done that without luck
19:46<shoot>(so far)
19:46<Xenguy>shoot: I'll shutup now :-)
19:46<shoot>No no problem ;)
19:46<shoot>witte: problem, I don't have any room to backup on
19:46-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@host28-169-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:47-!-mov [~mov@189-31-101-118.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
19:47<witte>shoot: no dvd writer or external HD?
19:47<shoot>No and no :(
19:47<witte>shoot: and you should have backups of your data in any case!
19:48<witte>shoot: or you can just borrow an external HD from a friend (or buy one, they are really cheap)
19:48<witte>!backup
19:48<dpkg>from memory, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression)
19:48-!-jscinoz [~jscinoz@124-171-2-204.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:49-!-mov [~mov@189-31-101-118.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit []
19:49<shoot>remember that I go to school, I really do not have money for it
19:49-!-bernardo [~bernardo@201.87.135.184] has joined #debian
19:49<Hunger>why 'at lower compression'? :)
19:49-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:50<Hunger>s/lower/lowest
19:50<witte>shoot: if you can borrow a external disk for the transition period (one week), that would be enough, or maybe someone has an external dvd writer he can miss for a week...
19:50-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:50<shoot>Perhaps, but I doubt it
19:50-!-dweller-in-peace [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #debian
19:50<shoot>For now I'll skip trying out lenny and be on the safe side ^_^^
19:51-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has joined #debian
19:51<witte>shoot: even a windows pc of your parent could do as a backup
19:51-!-githogori [~githogori@SJC-Office-DHCP-158.mail-abuse.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:52<shoot>I rarely travel home to my parents
19:52-!-dweller-in-peace [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has left #debian []
19:52<shoot>Ah well, I'll see what I can do about it
19:52<shoot>would it work with just taring the disk and loading it onto my own stationary pc then?
19:52<witte>shoot: it is not that urgent probably, you'll figure out somethign
19:53-!-ewanm89 is now known as Cap_J_L_Picard
19:53<witte>you mean from laptop to desktop: yes, of course
19:53-!-Cap_J_L_Picard is now known as ewanm89
19:53<shoot>Then this is easy as pie :P
19:53<witte>or just a plain copy would be enough (you can tar of course)
19:53<bernardo>hellooo
19:54<shoot>What fashion do I go through to backuping the disk then? should I just tar the whole disk?
19:54<witte>and you only need to backup your data and config files of course, no system files
19:54<witte>shoot: I would save /home and /etc (just for comparing afterwards, not for copying directly as config files may have changed)
19:55<shoot>Okay
19:55<witte>shoot: maybe there are also some special configs you want saved from your system, but that is up to you
19:55-!-dpalacio [~david@190.66.143.127] has joined #debian
19:55-!-nici [~nici@sign-4d097646.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #debian
19:55-!-nici [~nici@sign-4d097646.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit []
19:56-!-ceno [~ceno@62.169.113.254.rev.optimus.pt] has joined #debian
19:56<witte>shoot: make sure you also include hidden folders (like .mozilla), it woudl be a surprise if your emails are not there anymore
19:56<witte>been there, done that :(
19:57<shoot>Heh
19:57<Xenguy>shoot: I'm hoping to have a look at 'mondo' ('mondorescue' ?) RSN - it looks promising
19:57<SixT6>If I get another kernel panic I'm going to explode
19:57<Xenguy>shoot: er, for backups
19:57<shoot>Xenguy: Okay
19:57<Xenguy>shoot: but you can do quick backups too if that better suits your situation ATM
19:57<shoot>Well, I'll see what I can do about my 'problems' and perhaps I'll come back at a later time with new questions, who knows :)
19:58-!-samy [~samy@201.132.86.27] has joined #debian
19:58<Xenguy>shoot: let us know how it went
19:58<ceno>hey guys
19:58<shoot>But it is getting quite late where I am (2am) so I'll have to move over to bed now, thanks for your help and answers, much appreciated.
19:58<witte>!tell shoot about etch->lenny
19:58<shoot>witte: i've already seen that :)
19:58<Xenguy>shoot: nite
19:59<ceno>I need a little help
19:59<shoot>Xenguy: Yes, will just see how long I wait before I go through with it.. :-P
19:59<shoot>*lazy*
19:59<shoot>Anyway, Good night!
19:59<ceno>does any of you know this server called freenode?
19:59<witte>shoot: ok, good night and good luck
19:59-!-shoot [~fisk@c-29dde255.235-6-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: so long and thanks for the fish]
19:59<witte>!freenode
19:59<dpkg>i guess freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/. You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
19:59-!-jscinoz_ [~jscinoz@124-171-0-247.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:59<ceno>lol omg
20:00-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:00-!-gsimmons_ [~gsimmons@203-217-76-100.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
20:00<Xenguy>ceno: see? anybody can be smart anymore ;-)
20:00-!-vook [~vook@69-39-159-47.rev.dslindiana.net] has joined #debian
20:01-!-patriots2008 [~patriots2@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:01-!-panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:02<ceno>it's been years since i used irc, but god this is just rockbottom lol
20:02-!-gravity [~david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
20:02<dkr>"you may be connected to freenode" heh, I guess that is ambiguously worded since dpkg runs there as well.
20:02-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has joined #debian
20:03<witte>yeah, I wondered about that as well, in any case ceno, you are on oftc ;-)
20:03-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@124-168-54-102.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:03-!-mankod [~mankod@189.131.177.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:04<ceno>you lost me there witte lol
20:04<ceno>I needed some help with php-gtk, but there's noone on the channel
20:05<witte>ceno: you are now talking in #debian@irc.oftc.net, there is also a #debian@irc.freenode.net...
20:06-!-gsimmons_ is now known as gsimmons
20:07-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:07<gsimmons>ceno: You could try asking in #php-gtk on irc.freenode.net (not OFTC).
20:08<vook>and #debian on freenode is a sort of wasteland these days.
20:09<ceno>oh, I see
20:09<ceno>I guess the irc days are kinda over, talking about the mainstream obviously
20:10-!-muhkuh [~muhkuh@d91-129-18-37.cust.tele2.at] has joined #debian
20:10<Xenguy>ceno: I think most of them found a new home at #ubuntu but I could be wrong
20:10<witte>ceno: these days you need a forum which at least has 17 useless kb for every useful byte of information transferred
20:11-!-alfy [~alfy@213-140-21-229.fastres.net] has joined #debian
20:11<vook>ceno: irc days are not over, it's just evolved. It's more of niche protocol.
20:11<muhkuh>hi how is that 3Ddesktop working?
20:11<Xenguy>ceno: I figure the smart ones will come back, but it isn't impossible that we are a shrinking demographic :-O
20:11<ceno>lol xenguy
20:11<Xenguy>heh
20:12<muhkuh>are there problems when its installed?
20:12-!-ANDREAS [~kurumin@189-10-52-8.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
20:12<ceno>but don't get me wrong, now everyone uses windows live messenger and it's fkng awful
20:12<ANDREAS>#Brasil
20:12-!-patriots2008 [~patriots2@c-24-218-246-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:12-!-hollo_ [~hollo@62.199.234.100] has joined #debian
20:12<witte>!tell muhkuh about compiz
20:12<vook>thank goodness they are using that and not irc
20:12<ANDREAS>#brasil
20:12<vook>We've rooted them out
20:12<Xenguy>ceno: the servers will stay with debian I predict
20:13<ANDREAS>?
20:13<ANDREAS>?
20:13<witte>ANDREAS: /join #brasil
20:13<Xenguy>vook: heh, good point
20:13<muhkuh>my computer is relly bad
20:13-!-noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has joined #debian
20:13<Xenguy>muhkuh: naughty?
20:13-!-yakorrr [~manolo@62.43.178.221.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
20:13<muhkuh>it always stresses me
20:13-!-jello [~joe@dot.nahmias.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
20:13-!-yakorrr [~manolo@62.43.178.221.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit []
20:13<Xenguy>muhkuh: try insulting it back
20:13<Xenguy>!
20:14-!-hollo_ [~hollo@62.199.234.100] has quit []
20:14<muhkuh>when i have the money 4 a new one i'll give all that pain back to it
20:14<muhkuh>^^
20:15-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:15-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
20:15-!-ANDREAS [~kurumin@189-10-52-8.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit []
20:15-!-fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has joined #debian
20:16-!-jjchen [~jjchen@58.33.191.213] has joined #debian
20:16<muhkuh>i got a pentium4 3GHZ 1GB RAM and a asus A9250 Graphics Card
20:16<muhkuh>could i run a 3D desktop?
20:16<Xenguy>muhkuh: sounds like plenty
20:16<Xenguy>and more
20:16<muhkuh>jeah but this thing is baaad
20:17<Xenguy>I don't know for sure about the graphics card
20:17<muhkuh>128mb ram
20:17<muhkuh>ati
20:17<vook>muhkuh: you probably could - just set up xgl
20:17<witte>muhkuh: wow you have super machine (compared to mine :()
20:18<muhkuh>but i bet yours is running much better
20:18<muhkuh>: )
20:18<witte>muhkuh: i doubt it, I think the pci bus is dying, i have regular freezes
20:18<witte>muhkuh: I am looking for a new one myself
20:18<muhkuh>i guess theres something wrong with my motherboard
20:19-!-fatTONE [~mxldr@adsl-71-135-57-69.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:19<muhkuh>damn man we are so poor : D
20:19<witte>muhkuh: :-)
20:20<muhkuh>do i have to be afraid of that 3d stuff?
20:20<witte>muhkuh: I was hoping that it would last for another year, I have it now for almost 5 or so
20:20<muhkuh>dont want to mess my GUI again
20:20<Xenguy>muhkuh: ask yourself if you really need 3D
20:20<Xenguy>muhkuh: I mean, really, why?
20:20<witte>muhkuh: backup your xorg.conf and any other file you are going to change
20:20<muhkuh>hope my nu one doesn't take so long
20:20-!-bernardo [~bernardo@201.87.135.184] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out]
20:21-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:21<muhkuh>just wanted to see it
20:21<muhkuh>u're right
20:21-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
20:21<muhkuh>we don'T need no 3D stuff trouble
20:21<muhkuh>^^
20:21<vook>eye candy is fun if you have the power. Some could make the same point about composite transparency (do we need it). Well, no, but I have found it useful.
20:22<muhkuh>i'd better work on my ntfs writing problem
20:22<muhkuh>but that's too much for a noob like me
20:23<witte>!ntfs-3g
20:23<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>.
20:23<muhkuh>i like transparency
20:23<vook>muhkuh: at least set up true transparency - it's easy.
20:23<muhkuh>i allready installled that driver
20:23-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@203-217-76-100.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:23<muhkuh>vook how?
20:23<muhkuh>11
20:24<vook>go here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Tranparency
20:25<muhkuh>mkay
20:26-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:26-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
20:31-!-user01 [~user01@adsl-68-74-106-247.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #debian
20:31-!-alfy [~alfy@213-140-21-229.fastres.net] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via]
20:31-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
20:32<user01>is there a codec for nsf files in lenny? normally in etch it should be xmms-festalon
20:37-!-gsimmons [~gsimmons@124-168-1-253.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
20:38<witte>user01: in sid xmms-festalon exists
20:39<user01>witte, arent there any other programs like mplayer or vlc that can?
20:39-!-pressman [~pressman@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
20:40<witte>user01: ok, they are in debian-multimedia, not really in debian
20:40<witte>user01: i have no idea, i had to do apt-cache search myself because i do not nknow what a nsf file is :-)
20:41<user01>witte, rips of nintendo music :)
20:41<user01>witte, http://www.zophar.net/nsf/
20:42<Nemoder>user01: audacious has good nsf support
20:43-!-vika_wS [~monica@201.132.207.195] has joined #debian
20:43-!-vika_wS [~monica@201.132.207.195] has quit []
20:43<Nemoder>w/ audacious-plugins-extra
20:43-!-dvs [~dvs@cwv.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: The light at the end of the tunnel is the 5:15 train]
20:43<user01>Nemoder, ok ill see how it goes
20:47<user01>Nemoder, wow, audacious looks nicer than xmms
20:50-!-fatTONE [~mxldr@adsl-71-135-39-132.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
20:50-!-fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:51-!-emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has joined #debian
20:51<Nemoder>yeah audacious is a fork of xmms, it can use the same skins
20:55-!-ceno [~ceno@62.169.113.254.rev.optimus.pt] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
20:57-!-xerophyt1 [xerophyte@cpe00195b0cd64f-cm014310117547.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
20:57-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has joined #debian
20:58-!-lavaramano [mlizaur@12.206.255.43] has joined #debian
20:59<sco50000>setting up compiz-fusion in debian is really hard :(
21:00<witte>sco50000: did you do this: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
21:00<sco50000>yeah
21:01<sco50000>but i have kde
21:01<witte>sco50000: ok, that is about what i know of it, i still have a PCI video card, so I have no compiz problems
21:02-!-GhostlyDeath_ [~ReMooD@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
21:02<witte>sco50000: I have no idea what should be different between compiz and kde?
21:02<witte>s/compiz/gnome/
21:02-!-GhostlyDeath [~ReMooD@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:03<witte>there is also a link to a kde install on the wiki
21:03<sco50000>i know, but it's a lot more confusing
21:04<witte>sco50000: where are you stuck
21:05-!-derfel [~derfel@host63-74-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
21:06<sco50000>just getting compiz installed. i keep getting conflicts, but i think i found a away to fix them
21:07-!-GhostlyDeath_ is now known as GhostlyDeath
21:08-!-fixxxer [~fixxxer@189.135.137.57] has quit [Server closed connection]
21:08-!-fixxxer [~fixxxer@189.135.137.57] has joined #debian
21:10<sco50000>when i do compiz --replace nothing happens at all
21:11<witte>sco50000: you are in kde, you added all the stuff in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and restarted your X-server with ctrl-alt-backspace?
21:11<sco50000>hmm, forgot to resart X
21:11-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:11-!-muammar [~muammar@190.77.174.22] has joined #debian
21:12-!-samy [~samy@201.132.86.27] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:13-!-githogori [~githogori@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
21:16-!-ruiping [ruiping@222.85.69.98] has joined #debian
21:16-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has joined #debian
21:16<witte>sco50000: and?
21:17<sco50000>when i ctrl+alt+backspace'd my screen went black but X didn't come back
21:17<sco50000>iu had to reboot
21:17<sco50000>i*
21:18<witte>strange, did you have a look at the logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log after the ctrl-alt-backspace)
21:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 332] by debhelper
21:19-!-ModestUser [~michael@dslb-088-067-042-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #debian []
21:19-!-greg [~greg@75.117.138.82] has joined #debian
21:19<witte>sco50000: you can still have a look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old probably, if you want to know why
21:19-!-greg is now known as gregoooooo
21:19<witte>sco50000: but still, did compiz work?
21:20-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has joined #debian
21:20-!-vook [~vook@69-39-159-47.rev.dslindiana.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
21:20<sco50000>nope, i just tried it again
21:20<sco50000>doesn't even give any errors
21:20-!-noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:20<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
21:20-!-noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has joined #debian
21:20<witte>you tried: compiz –replace gconf & kde-window-decorator &
21:20-!-runoff [~ham@c-24-147-160-185.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
21:20<sco50000>yeah
21:21-!-runoff [~ham@c-24-147-160-185.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:21<witte>sco50000: have a look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors and warnings
21:22<Ethaniel>Anyone knows what is "Screen 0 is not DRI capable"?
21:22-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
21:22<sco50000>i found this warning: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
21:24<witte>sco50000: that means that you have no BusID "PCI:1:0:1" in you device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
21:24-!-gregoooooo [~greg@75.117.138.82] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
21:25<sco50000>hmm, these warnings are about things i added to get compiz to work: (WW) fglrx(0): Option "UseFBDev" is not used (WW) fglrx(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" is not used (WW) fglrx(0): Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" is not used (WW) fglrx(0): Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" is not used
21:25<witte>Ethaniel: that means that the driver can not give a direct rendering interface (DRI) on screen 0 (the output)
21:26<witte>sco50000: but you have a radeon driver, and not nvidia for which the howto was
21:26<muhkuh>I Can'T find XGL does anyone know an adress?
21:27<witte>http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/10425
21:27<witte>sco50000: ^^
21:27<Ethaniel>I have been searching in the forum, but everyone is talking about Nvidia boards. I have an Intel i810 graphics, and since X was working, I didn't paid much attention.
21:27<Ethaniel>Until now.
21:28<witte>!tell muhkuh about xgl
21:28<witte>Ethaniel: can you upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin?
21:28<witte>!tell Ethaniel about pastebin
21:29<Ethaniel>Give me a sec, and I will send it to you.
21:30<Supaplex>what can I use for a quantative memory performance test? I have new ram on the way, and want to compare the old and new.
21:30<sco50000>witte: that link you gave me was for Debian Sid
21:31<sco50000>witte: i have etch
21:32<witte>sco50000: ah, ok could be
21:32<witte>sco50000: the method should be the same, but maybe you will have to cruise the web a bit more to see if there is an etch explaination
21:35<muhkuh>I'm lookin at apt get.org for XGL but can't find it
21:35<muhkuh>can't find it anywhere
21:35-!-Bishop [~Bishop-@201-67-27-222.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
21:36<Ethaniel>(I don't remember how to mount a USB pendrive.... that's why it's taking me so long. Sorry.)
21:37-!-dweller-in-peace [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #debian
21:37-!-Bishop [~Bishop-@201-67-27-222.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit []
21:37<witte>Ethaniel: mount /dev/sda1 /mount/point?
21:38<witte>Ethaniel: and /dev/sda1 should be adjusted to your system
21:38<witte>Ethaniel: and why do you need an usb pen drive to upload your log to a pastebin?
21:38-!-muammar [~muammar@190.77.174.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:38<Ethaniel>I'm not on Debian, the computer with Debian is next to me.
21:39<witte>Ethaniel: does it have internet?
21:39<witte>Ethaniel: can you log in to it using ssh?
21:40<Ethaniel>I think I could. Yes, the computer has internet.
21:40<sco50000>witte: well, with that tutorial i finally managed to start installing xgl. one of the other tuts had working links or repos
21:40-!-Disputin [~disp@c-24-20-92-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
21:41<Ethaniel>I could install ChatZilla there and continue from Debian.....
21:41<sco50000>s/one/none
21:41<witte>so you can either use the pastebin pipe
21:41<witte>!tell Ethaniel about pastebin pipe
21:42<witte>or you can log in remotely and just copy it like that :-)
21:43<witte>Ethaniel: or you can just use iceweasel on the ohter pc to upload it if you really want it simple :-)
21:45-!-Fro0[-_-]0ozeN [~alves@189.12.111.106] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
21:45<Ethaniel>I did exactly that. I sent the log file to myself in a mail.
21:46<Ethaniel>Can I use http://paste.lisp.org/ to send it to you?
21:47-!-enouf [~stomptheb@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
21:47<witte>Ethaniel: you could have used that browser to go to the pastebin site ;-)
21:47<Ethaniel>...... right.
21:47<Ethaniel>(i'm getting old....)
21:48<witte>Ethaniel: with that site you can place it online, and you can paste the link here so everyone can see it and try to help you
21:48<Ethaniel>It says "select a channel", but I can't see #debian.
21:49<witte>none is ok
21:49<Ethaniel>Ok then.
21:50-!-Corrine [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
21:50<Ethaniel>http://paste.lisp.org/display/54613
21:50<sco50000>witte: do you have any idea why ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work correctly for me?
21:51-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
21:51<witte>sco50000: no not reallly, have a look in the logs, but other than that, i do not know
21:51-!-g-unot [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #debian
21:51<witte>Ethaniel: are you using the vesa driver?
21:52<witte>Ethaniel: can you upload your /etc/X11/xorg.conf as well
21:52-!-dweller-in-peace [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
21:52<witte>Ethaniel: and the output of lspci
21:52<Ethaniel>About VESA, no idea.
21:52<Ethaniel>I'll send xorg.conf right away.
21:52<Ethaniel>Aaand.... lspci?
21:53<witte>Ethaniel: you type in "lspci |grep VGA" in a terminal and you can paste it in this channel
21:54<witte>Ethaniel: or if you just type lspci in the terminal, you will need to upload it to the pastebin or you'll be kicked :-)
21:54-!-streuner__ [~streuner@p54A5CAF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
21:54-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.176] has joined #debian
21:54-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
21:55<Ethaniel>Okay. Which is the path to xorg.conf?
21:55-!-faw [~felipe@faw.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:55-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has joined #debian
21:55<sco50000>!xgl
21:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported
21:55-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:56<g-unot>does anybody use madwifi here?
21:56<witte>Ethaniel: /etc/X11/
21:56-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
21:56<witte>!madwifi
21:56<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net
21:56<g-unot>okay
21:56<g-unot>i know that
21:56<g-unot>but im wondering
21:57<g-unot>if anybody uses it ere
21:57-!-jscinoz [~jscinoz@124-171-0-247.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
21:57-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
21:57<witte>g-unot: not anymore, at the moment I tried them, they worked, but that is some time ago
21:57<g-unot>okay
21:57<g-unot>well
21:57<g-unot>i for some reason
21:58<g-unot>the madwifi source doesnt install
21:58<g-unot>from apt
21:58<g-unot>it says its missing
21:58<Ethaniel>This is driving me crazy. I'll install Chatzilla and continue from there. Back in a sec.
21:58-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]]
21:58<g-unot>and i checked my apt-sources list
21:58<g-unot>and nothings commented
21:58<gsimmons>!tell g-unot -about bat
21:59<g-unot>kk
21:59<g-unot>1sec
22:00<witte>g-unot: which debian version are you using?
22:00<g-unot>the newest one
22:00-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has joined #debian
22:00-!-kapil_away is now known as weechat_user
22:00<sco50000>witte: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/10425 - look at section 7. he says to type compiz-start.py, but i don't where he got that from, cause either it's not on my comp or it's not in my PATH.py
22:00<Ethaniel>Okay, now I'm on Debian.
22:00<g-unot>Package madwifi-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
22:00<g-unot>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
22:00<g-unot>is only available from another source
22:01-!-weechat_user is now known as kapil
22:01<witte>g-unot: latest one: you mean the latest stable: etch
22:01<g-unot>yes
22:01<g-unot>sorry
22:01<g-unot>latest stable
22:01-!-streuner_ [~streuner@p54A5D053.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:02<witte>g-unot: no problem, just to be sure ;-)
22:02<witte>sco50000: sorry, cant help: apt-file search compiz-start.py results in nothing
22:02-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
22:03<Ethaniel>Do you asked for "lspci |grep VGA"?
22:03-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
22:03<witte>Ethaniel: yes
22:03<Ethaniel>Can I paste it here?
22:04<witte>Ethaniel: if it is one line: yes
22:04<gsimmons>g-unot: And? "apt-cache policy madwifi-source"? Read the factoid again and provide using a paste site, don't paste in here.
22:04<Ethaniel>Then, no. :)
22:04<Ethaniel>One sec.
22:04<g-unot>okay gsimmons
22:05<g-unot>http://pastebin.ca/868060
22:05-!-mankod [~mankod@200.77.86.248] has joined #debian
22:06<Ethaniel>http://paste.lisp.org/display/54614
22:06<gsimmons>!tell g-unot -about madwifi-install
22:06<witte>Ethaniel: that is only one line ;-), and you have an intel card
22:06<gsimmons>g-unot: I'm assuming you don't have any "non-free" sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Make sure that you do.
22:07<Ethaniel>Having an Intel onboard VGA is a problem?
22:07<g-unot>gsimmons, what do u mean?
22:07<Ethaniel>Or DRI is for 3D only?
22:07<witte>Ethaniel: normally not
22:08-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
22:08<gsimmons>!tell g-unot -about non-free sources
22:08<witte>Ethaniel: do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
22:08<witte>and make sure you choose the i810 driver and not vesa
22:08<muhkuh>does anyone know where i can get XGL??
22:08<Ethaniel>I'll try that.
22:08-!-sco50000 [~scott@208.110.35.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:09<witte>Ethaniel: then restart the X server (ctrl-alt-backspace) and see if it worked
22:09-!-tathagata [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #debian
22:09<witte>Ethaniel: and dri is hardware acceleration, but i think only 2d
22:10<g-unot>okay
22:10<g-unot>gsimmons,
22:10<g-unot>i dont have the non-freesources
22:10<g-unot>so ill add the non-free to the end
22:10<Ethaniel>It's asking me the amount of RAM in the board......
22:10<Ethaniel>And it's a good question.
22:11<Ethaniel>Can I check this in another terminal window?
22:11<witte>Ethaniel: you can leave that blank
22:11<Ethaniel>Ok.
22:12<gsimmons>g-unot: Better to append "contrib non-free", rather than just "non-free", as you'll also need the 'madwifi-tools' package (which is in contrib).
22:12<Ethaniel>Framebuffer device interface? Sounds good.
22:12-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:12<witte>Ethaniel: the driver will choose, unless you want to limit it (eg if you only want to use 64 MB out of 256 MB, and not 128 MB for graphics alone
22:12<Ethaniel>Or not?
22:12-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
22:12<g-unot>main contrib non-free
22:12<g-unot>is what i added
22:12<witte>Ethaniel: if in doubt, choose default ;-)
22:12<gsimmons>g-unot: That's fine.
22:12<g-unot>and now i got an error while updating
22:13<g-unot>lemme pastebin
22:13<Ethaniel>I just have "yes" or "no". Guess it's a no then.
22:13<g-unot>http://pastebin.ca/868064
22:13-!-kapil_away is now known as kapil
22:14<Ethaniel>This is a new one:
22:14<g-unot>but madwifi source seems to be installing fine
22:14<Supaplex>using a eps file, how can I slice it up into 8.5" x 11" fragments each to their own page? I have a printer that'll print border to border pages, but this massive esp image is going to take 10-15 sheets of paper to print (eg, at native resultion + 8.5x11")
22:14<Ethaniel>Keyboard model? It's just a keyboard.
22:14<Ethaniel>Latin american layout.
22:15<gsimmons>g-unot: Can you provide your complete /etc/apt/sources.list file at a pastebin? The paths appear to be incorrect.
22:15<g-unot>okay
22:15<g-unot>i installed madwifi good i think
22:15<g-unot>but
22:16-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
22:16<Ethaniel>It says "pc105". Is that okay?
22:16<g-unot>http://pastebin.ca/868065
22:16<witte>Ethaniel: pc105 is fine
22:17<witte>Ethaniel: most default settings are sane (and i think even taken from your current config...)
22:17<Ethaniel>Keyboard variant.... I'll leave it blank.
22:17-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.118.198] has joined #debian
22:17-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
22:17-!-tathagata [~rajneesh@ip-118-90-25-228.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:17-!-Courcelles [~omatiz@190.43.118.198] has left #debian []
22:18<Ethaniel>It's asking for a mouse port. the mouse is ps2.
22:18<Ethaniel>It's psaux?
22:18<witte>Ethaniel: could be
22:18-!-adrian [~adrian@78.24.51.2] has joined #debian
22:18<Ethaniel>I also have "/dev/input/mice"
22:19<Ethaniel>That looks like the one.
22:19<witte>that is the one that is selected on my system
22:19<Ethaniel>Mouse protocol? :S
22:19<Ethaniel>No idea on that one....
22:19<gsimmons>g-unot: You forot an "etch" on line 7. See <http://pastebin.ca/868066> for a proposed amendment.
22:19<witte>Ethaniel: and if it does not work, you can rerun the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg thing
22:20<witte>ImPS/2 or somethign
22:20<gsimmons>s/forot/forgot/
22:20<g-unot>ok
22:20<Ethaniel>Do I have to emulate 3-button mouse to make the wheel work?
22:20<witte>no
22:21<Ethaniel>And I "can" click with the wheel, so the mouse has three buttons....
22:21<Ethaniel>.... that's a no then.
22:21-!-adrian [~adrian@78.24.51.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:21-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:21-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
22:22<Ethaniel>Now it's asking for a bunch of modules to be enabled.
22:22<witte>default is ok
22:22<witte>:-)
22:22<Ethaniel>DRI is ticked.
22:22<witte>next attempt monitor autodetection
22:23<witte>make sure you select the modes you wnat
22:23<hax>how can i switch my locale from 'C' to utf8?
22:23<Ethaniel>Okay, I'll restart X now.
22:23-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:23<g-unot>gsimmons, okay
22:23<g-unot>i installed madwifi
22:23-!-dpalacio [~david@190.66.143.127] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:23<g-unot>with the instuctions u sent me
22:23<witte>hax: with the locales package
22:23<g-unot>but there is no iwconfig
22:24<gsimmons>g-unot: Install the 'wireless-tools' package.
22:24<g-unot>i believe i did
22:24<g-unot>or
22:24<g-unot>how do i do this?
22:24<g-unot>ok
22:24<g-unot>its named
22:24<witte>hax: or if temporarily, LANG=en_US.UTF8;export $LANG
22:24<g-unot>wireless-tools
22:24<g-unot>lol
22:24<g-unot>dur
22:25<hax>witte: how do i do it with the locales package? i don't think i have that
22:25<g-unot>ok
22:25<g-unot>gsimmons,
22:25<hax>witte: and will that mean that i'll need to recompile software i've built myself, like python?
22:25<g-unot>i still see no ath0
22:25<g-unot>oh
22:25<gsimmons>!madwifi-install
22:25<dpkg>i heard madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
22:26<gsimmons>g-unot: Did you follow all of the above?
22:26<g-unot>yes
22:26-!-jscinoz [~jscinoz@124-171-0-247.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:26<gsimmons>g-unot: What wireless device are you attempting to configure?
22:26<g-unot>my wificard
22:26<g-unot>its a dlink
22:26-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:27<gsimmons>g-unot: Ideally, a model and hardware revision/version would assist.
22:27<g-unot>okay
22:27-!-lupine_85 [~lupine@host86-134-240-206.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
22:27-!-cerebellum [~cerebellu@193.6.168.4] has joined #debian
22:27<witte>g-unot: will you please stop hitting the enter button constantly
22:27<witte>hax: apt-get install locales, and if you have it, dpkg-reconfigure locales
22:27<g-unot>okay
22:27<g-unot>its a WDA-1320
22:27-!-cereberos [~cerebellu@193.6.168.4] has joined #debian
22:28<muhkuh>i installed compiz how to configure
22:28-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has joined #debian
22:28<witte>Ethaniel: and?
22:29<Ethaniel>The error is still there, Screen 0 is not DRI capable. But I have a 800x600 desktop now. :)
22:29-!-cereberos [~cerebellu@193.6.168.4] has quit []
22:29-!-cerebellum [~cerebellu@193.6.168.4] has quit []
22:29-!-kapil_away [~kapil@61.95.189.176] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me]
22:29<Ethaniel>I think it starts with "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable"
22:30<Ethaniel>Or something like that.
22:30<witte>Ethaniel: you forgot to select the correct monitor modes during the reconfigure
22:30<Ethaniel>I used autodetect. :S
22:30<Ethaniel>Is that wrong?
22:30<Ethaniel>How was that again? dpkg....?
22:31<g-unot>gsimmons, any ideas?
22:31<witte>autodetect was ok, but before autodetect, there were some choices for display sizes
22:31<gsimmons>g-unot: "modprobe ath_pci", then test for ath0 existence via iwconfig.
22:31<witte>Ethaniel: you can also just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly
22:31<hax>witte: thanks, got it
22:31<witte>!tell Ethaniel about drxx
22:31<g-unot>okay
22:32<g-unot>i got it to come up in iwconfig
22:32<muhkuh>compbiz bives me this message: (gtk-window-decorator:27913): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C' locale.
22:33<Ethaniel>I'll try again.
22:33-!-mark__ [~mark@ppp-71-128-201-22.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
22:35-!-mark__ [~mark@ppp-71-128-201-22.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:36-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:37-!-esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:37-!-kapil [~kapil@61.95.189.176] has joined #debian
22:38-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has joined #debian
22:38<Ethaniel>No luck. It keeps saying the same.
22:38<Ethaniel>Should I edit that file by hand?
22:38<witte>Ethaniel: ok, could be that your card does not support AIXGL
22:39<witte>Ethaniel: but the resolution is back to normal now?
22:39-!-g-unot_ [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #debian
22:39<Ethaniel>This time I choose 800x600 on purpose. Looks perfect.
22:39<witte>Ethaniel: that is rather small? you have a 14" screen?
22:40-!-g-unot [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:40<Ethaniel>Yes, it's an old 14" screen, but I can have 800x600 with a little tweaking on the back of the monitor.
22:40<g-unot_>is there a way to add firefox to the internet menu?
22:40<witte>in that case 800*600 is ok :-)
22:40-!-MaZ-_ [~maz@cpc2-asht3-0-0-cust16.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
22:41<Ethaniel>Just one more thing:
22:41<Ethaniel>Below that DRI thing, there's one more thing like "Type ONE_LEVEL has one level but HALT has two levels"?
22:41<Ethaniel>Is that an error too?
22:42<Ethaniel>I think that's about XKEYBOARD?
22:42<witte>Ethaniel: don't know, try to google for it (use the correct term)
22:42<witte>Ethaniel: I am going to sleep, it is 4:40 here
22:42-!-MaZ- [~maz@cpc2-asht3-0-0-cust16.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:42<Ethaniel>Go then, it's late down here too.
22:42<Ethaniel>Thanks for everything.
22:43<witte>no problem
22:43<kop>g-unot_ : That depends on the window manager your using. In my experience they automatically show up, but I've not used many different window managers.
22:43<g-unot_>i installed firefox
22:43-!-Ethaniel [~chatzilla@190.51.53.199] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111500]]
22:43-!-witte [~witte@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Quit: must sleep]
22:43<g-unot_>oh
22:43<g-unot_>welll
22:43<g-unot_>im using gnome
22:43<kop>g-unot_ : You don't want to install firefox, you want to install iceweasel.
22:43<g-unot_>whats that?
22:43<g-unot_>lol
22:44<kop>tell g-unot_ -about iceweasel
22:44<g-unot_>!tell g-unot_ -about iceweasel
22:45<g-unot_>okay
22:45<g-unot_>thnx
22:46<g-unot_>oh i see
22:46<g-unot_>lol
22:46<g-unot_>wierd
22:46<g-unot_>okay
22:46<g-unot_>thnx for ur guys help
22:47<g-unot_>sorry for all my enters
22:47<g-unot_>lol
22:47<g-unot_>thnx again gsimmons
22:47-!-g-unot_ [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
22:50-!-g-unot [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #debian
22:50-!-g-unot [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has quit []
23:00-!-abrotman [~abrotman@c-71-230-50-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:01-!-space [~space@59.93.40.142] has joined #debian
23:02-!-space [~space@59.93.40.142] has quit []
23:04-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:07-!-gravity [~david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: sleep]
23:07-!-g-unot [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #debian
23:08<g-unot>is there a way to install kde 4 on debian?
23:09<kop>g-unot : What version of debian?
23:09<g-unot>etch
23:10<kop>g-unot : see backports.org
23:12<g-unot>okay what ius this
23:12<g-unot>lol
23:12-!-mhash [~largo@107.104.181.58.dynamic.max.com.pk] has joined #debian
23:14-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
23:15-!-Politics [~Politics@207-47-255-106.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit []
23:16-!-freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.hinet-ip.hinet.net] has joined #debian
23:17-!-g-unot [~g-unot@71-34-158-1.clsp.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:18-!-Neo_ [~neo@host-12-175-44-93.watvc.com] has joined #debian
23:19-!-lancetw [~lancetw@pclab.csie.thu.edu.tw] has joined #debian
23:23-!-pieisgood [~pieisgood@cpe-76-176-69-89.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:27-!-emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has quit [Quit: It's all for NOW, folks!]
23:28-!-skule [~svs@cpe.atm2-0-12843.0x50a66336.arcnxx10.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Server closed connection]
23:31-!-kapil [~kapil@61.95.189.176] has left #debian []
23:31-!-mire [~mire@165-170-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:31-!-kapil [~kapil@61.95.189.176] has joined #debian
23:32-!-click170 [~click170@d154-5-4-134.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #debian
23:34-!-imperia [~imperia@89.215.220.240] has joined #debian
23:34<imperia>hello. can you direct me to some console mixer for the sound card?
23:35<kop>imperia : Maybe audacity?
23:35<imperia>that's mixer? like amixer?
23:36<imperia>not tracker.. i need some mixer for setting volume of my sound card in console.. just like amixer but with gui
23:36<kop>imperia : I'm pretty sound clueless. Maybe you'd better ignore me.
23:36-!-click170 [~click170@d154-5-4-134.bchsia.telus.net] has quit []
23:37-!-click170 [~click170@d154-5-4-134.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #debian
23:37<kop>imperia : Synaptic might help. It's got categories. or "aptitude search mix"
23:37-!-click170 [~click170@d154-5-4-134.bchsia.telus.net] has quit []
23:37-!-click170 [~click170@d154-5-4-134.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #debian
23:38<imperia>i will try.. thanks
23:39<kapil>imperia: try alsamixer it comes with alsa-utils
23:40<imperia>is that amixer?
23:40<imperia>aaa thank you very much.. thats exactly what i needed - alsamixer
23:41<imperia>wolf3d in console is nice.. just like having dos.. dont need to start X
23:43-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:43-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
23:53-!-muhkuh [~muhkuh@d91-129-18-37.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:53-!-Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:53-!-kapil is now known as kapil_away
23:54-!-tython [ql226@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk] has joined #debian
23:54-!-thepretender84 [~thepreten@65.7.3.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
---Logclosed Tue Jan 22 00:00:35 2008