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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-23

---Logopened Wed Jan 23 00:00:09 2008
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00:00<muhkuh>what will i need to unpack a .rar archive?
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00:03<gsimmons>!tell muhkuh -about unrar
00:03<muhkuh>thynks a lot =)
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00:11<kop>Humm. I can't seem to print/pdf2ps https://pptform.state.gov/FraudAbuseNotice.aspx?form=DS82 Anybody got any suggestions?
00:12<kop>Oops. That was the wrong url. It should be : http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/79960.pdf
00:12<muhkuh>got untat free and comix now
00:12<muhkuh>both arent working
00:12<muhkuh>comix needs unrar
00:13<gsimmons>muhkuh: If your archive is in RAR 3.0+ format, you'll need 'unrar' (a non-free package), not 'unrar-free'.
00:13<muhkuh>where do i get it
00:14<gsimmons>muhkuh: Amend your sources.list file to include non-free sources, then install the package as usual.
00:14<gsimmons>!tell muhkuh -about non-free sources
00:14<muhkuh>i will try thanks ^^
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00:17<kop>The wierd thing is, some months ago I printed the pdf at that url. So it worked then.
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01:05<teste_teste>alguem fala portugues?
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01:29<jayen>おはよ
01:29<jayen>わたし は 日本じ です
01:30<KCYNICE>Japanese!
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01:39<saratogacx>Good evening/morning/day/afternoon everybody
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01:44<Supaplex>hi
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01:46<saratogacx>I'm having some troubles with my screen rotation and gkrellm. Is there a way to make sure it always stays in the upper right hand of the screen when I rotate the xerver? (kind of a relational (max_X-WindowLength,Y) kind of locating?
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01:53<apollosix>hello
01:54<saratogacx>'ello
01:56<Supaplex>now sing the rest of it.
01:56<Supaplex>;)
01:56<Supaplex>is there anybody in there? ...
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01:56<Slydder>morning all
01:57<saratogacx>Heya
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01:57<Supaplex>i has no morning memo. :`(
01:58<apollosix>Hello
01:58<saratogacx>it's 22:58 here, no morning memo needed
01:59<apollosix>where in the world are you??
01:59<Slydder>yeah well it's not even 8 am here. lol
01:59<Slydder>just walked into the office and got my first cup of coffee.
01:59<apollosix>5:59pm
02:00<saratogacx>Seattle
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02:00<saratogacx>Kick'n back w/ a beer
02:00<apollosix>Sydney, Australia
02:01<saratogacx>meh no time is wrong for beer
02:01<Slydder>i used to live in tacoma.
02:01<Slydder>back when i was in the army.
02:01<saratogacx>I'm sorry
02:01<saratogacx>Tacoma's a pit
02:02<Slydder>true. but had a few nice titty bars though.
02:02<saratogacx>could've at least dropped you in bremerton
02:02<saratogacx>Speaking the truth you are.
02:02<Slydder>na. from ft. lewis out it was the easiest
02:03<saratogacx>oh that's right Bremerton's the navy base
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02:04<saratogacx>so, How's Aussie? I've never been
02:06<apollosix>Not much of a summer this year hottest so far was 35c. great outside the city.
02:06<saratogacx>35's too hot for my blood. Keep me around 25 or so and I'll be happy
02:06<Slydder>would love to live in aussie but the friggin deadly insects and animals give me a bit of a pause. lol
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02:08<apollosix>That's a myth about the insects. most peolpe never have a problem. Wanna be careful not to bother a funnel web spider if you see one they're deadly and all throughout sydney and the surrounding areas
02:09<Slydder>yeah. and my luck I would meet up with one inside of 3 seconds after landing.
02:09<saratogacx>enjoyable welcome wagon
02:10<apollosix>There was a home in the south coast where 130 of them were taken out from under the lawn in a day..
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02:12<apollosix>We don't have Bears or Cougars mostly snakes and spiders and sharks and Crocs..
02:12<saratogacx>we have really shitty drivers
02:12<apollosix>so do we..
02:13<Slydder>exactly. although I would love to enjoy a aussie girl. I met one about 7 years ago here in germany and she was really cute with her accent and all. lol
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02:15<apollosix>they're trouble
02:15<saratogacx>I'm with a Korean girl myself... they're violent but fun to argue with.
02:16<Slydder>all women are trouble
02:16<Slydder>especially afterwards by making up. lol
02:16<saratogacx>I'll drink to that
02:16*saratogacx goes to get another beer
02:16<Slydder>shit. I'll drink to anything.
02:16<apollosix>A bit like cars.. Bourbon or Beer?
02:17<Slydder>anything but bourbon
02:17<saratogacx>just some local microbrews is all I've got. (Pyramid Ale)
02:18<apollosix>Bourbon and coke on the rocks
02:19<apollosix>Realy though I like sambuca (Italian)
02:20<apollosix>KDE or Gnome
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02:21<saratogacx>xfce or blackbox
02:21<apollosix>flux with Compiz
02:21<saratogacx>mostly xfce now-a-days
02:22<apollosix>I've tried xfce not bad
02:22<saratogacx>I don't think my computer can run compiz.. it's a 32mb FX5200
02:22<saratogacx>my xfce runs almost exactly like blackbox.. the only diff is that I use the xfce menu stuck in the corner rather than the right click menu for kicking off apps... that and I hvae a background image
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02:24<rickbot>i never get notifications anymore when someone joins or leaves the channel. is that config'd on the server or something in konversation?
02:24<Slydder>your configs
02:24<Supaplex>rickbot: maybe you ignored it. see topic
02:25<rickbot>sry, i asked it the wrong channel :P
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02:26<Supaplex>*meh* no harm done.
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02:30<predder>I have a box here that's setup to relay mail with another machine - however the relay is denied because my box is trying to send from whoever@localhost.subdomain.domain.tld
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02:31<predder>I'm trying to figure out where the "localhost" is coming into the from as the rest is correct
02:32<predder>/etc/mailname just shows subdomain.domain.tld
02:34<Supaplex>did you try hunting it down? grep -rli localhost /etc 2>/dev/null
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02:35<KaiSVK>hi all
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02:37<saratogacx>'ello
02:39<predder>Supaplex, all of the results from that grep are not mail related however, the system is using nullmailer and checking the manpage for nullmailer-inject (which has a sendmail wrapper) tells me that any address without a period is appended with the contents of /etc/mailname so I guess that's why it's happening!
02:41<Supaplex>ahh
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03:15<istoc>Hi, a masquerading rule I added with an iptables script doesn't appear in iptables-save. Do I have to make the masquerade chain with a separate rule?
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03:17<hypnotic>hi everybody, since yesterday when I start Amarok, kde restarts, anybody got an idea to fix this (complete removal+install does not solve the problem)?
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03:19<devil>hypnotic: can you get any output from starting amarok in konsole?
03:20<hypnotic>ill try
03:20<hypnotic>just by entering: amarok ? or with more options?
03:20<devil>hypnotic: try just amarok
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03:21<hypnotic>same problem, restart was almost instant so i couldnt read the output
03:22<hypnotic>can i find that back in a log?
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03:24<morgan`>hello
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03:24<hypnotic>hi there
03:24<saratogacx>Hi
03:24<hypnotic>devil: still here?
03:25<midget>hypnotic: try running amarokapp --wizard and reconfig the app
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03:26<Acid`X>Hi, I need to resize an XFS partition into another harddrive and I've got no idea on where to start, does anyone have any guide or tutorial that I can look up?
03:27<saratogacx>xfs as in for OSX?
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03:27<midget>Acid`X: man xfs_growfs
03:27<Acid`X>midget, thanks.
03:28<hypnotic>devil: the wizards runs, tried it with mysql and sqlite (normally use mysql) but still crashes after completing the wizard
03:28<KaiSVK>hi all again, to whom I can turn to, with brasero package, when its maintainer didn't aswer my e-mail, the blocking bug from unstable->testing is not a bug AT ALL !!! as the author of the bug report explain later on the bug page of the brasero
03:28<devil>hypnotic: what kde version is that?
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03:29<hypnotic>i use debian lenny with kde 3.5.8
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03:30<devil>hypnotic: hm, dunno about testing, but this prob never occured in sid
03:30<hypnotic>never occurred in lenny as well untill yesterday
03:31<devil>hypnotic: amarok 1.4.8?
03:31<hypnotic>checked synaptic history and kdelibs were updated on monday
03:31<hypnotic>1.4.8-1
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03:32<devil>hypnotic: same here
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03:32<devil>hypnotic: did you tra as root from konsole? same problem?
03:32<hypnotic>isnt there a log somewhere, where i can see the output of amarok?
03:33<devil>hypnotic: syslog maybe
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03:34<saratogacx>maybe dmesg will hold something
03:35<hypnotic>i got something, in my other login amarok starts up normally
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03:36<hypnotic>dmesg only shows a lot of network traffic
03:37<hypnotic>i disabled the kopete plugin from within kopete, no change
03:39<hypnotic>when i started the amarok wizard, it still had all the old settings despite of a complete removal and then install
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03:39<devil>hypnotic: try amarok --nocrashhandler
03:40<devil>hypnotic: you probably didnt use --purge when removing, that keeps the configs
03:40<hypnotic>aha, i now renamed the folder: .kde/share/apps/amarok, is that the same as purge?
03:41<hypnotic>or i mean has it the same effect
03:41<devil>hypnotic: there could be more than that
03:41<hypnotic>ok first ill try the nocrashhandler and then the purg
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03:48<hypnotic>devil: no luck, nocrashhandler still crashes, and reinstalling amarok with apt-get --purge remove and then install still crashes kde
03:48<devil>hypnotic: hm, leaves me clueless
03:49<devil>hypnotic: does it do the same if started as root from konsole?
03:49<devil>just for verification
03:50<hypnotic>then it works
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03:51<hypnotic>spooky
03:51<devil>hypnotic: could you try renaming .kde ?
03:52<devil>hypnotic: mv .kde .kde_old from a terminal
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03:52<hypnotic>hmm isnt that a little bit dangerous?
03:52<hypnotic>o no ofcourse not
03:52<hypnotic>its not windows ;)
03:53<devil>hypnotic: no, why should it? just givres you a default .kde
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03:53<devil>hypnotic: you can mv it back if needed
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03:53<hypnotic>yup it works
03:54<hypnotic>so there something in .kde that crashes amarok
03:54<devil>hypnotic: yes
03:54<hypnotic>and its not loaded because it works at the moment
03:55<hypnotic>hmmm
03:55<hypnotic>interesting
03:55<devil>hypnotic: what is not loaded?
03:56<hypnotic>well i didnt restart kde with default kde settings, so its not something thats loaded by kde
03:56<hypnotic>but i am comparing the dirs now
03:57<hypnotic>i found amarokrc and kdeglobals in kde/shar.config
03:57<hypnotic>.kde/share/config
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04:03<hypnotic>aha well its one of those files
04:03<hypnotic>replaced them both, and backup them up
04:03<hypnotic>u now what kdeglobals does?
04:03<devil>hypnotic: amarokrc should have been gone with remove --purge
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04:04<seanius>you sure it wasn't provided by another package i.e. amarok-engines?
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04:05<hypnotic>what do you mean exactly? I purged amarok, amarok-engines and amarok-xine
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04:06<devil>hypnotic: can we see ls -l kdeglobals
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04:06<hypnotic>put kdeglobals back and amarok starts up correctly, so it should be amarokrc
04:07<hypnotic>-rw------- 1 bob bob 6629 2008-01-23 10:05 kdeglobals
04:08<devil>hypnotic: hm, mine is -rw-r--r--
04:08<hypnotic>well it works with this file now
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04:09<devil>hypnotic: amarokrc is created by amarok if you mv it
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04:09<hypnotic>yes
04:09<devil>hypnotic: but like i said, --purge should have taken care of that
04:09<hypnotic>and that did the trick
04:09<hypnotic>yeah strange
04:10<hypnotic>i did: apt-get --purge remove amarok amarok-xine amarok-engines
04:10<hypnotic>as su
04:10<devil>hypnotic: works normaly
04:10<hypnotic>brb restarting kde
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04:11<sco50000>what is the best command line irc client?
04:12<devil>sco50000: irssi
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04:13<devil>sco50000: its got kind of a learning phase though
04:13<hypnotic>devil: btw almost all files in .kde/share/config are rw-------
04:13<sco50000>ok, that's what i'm using right now :)
04:13<devil>sco50000: then you are beyond that, i guess
04:14<hypnotic>amarok is up and running again :D
04:14<hypnotic>thanx a lot
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04:15<devil>hypnotic: most are rw------- here as well
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04:16<hypnotic>devil: doesnt matter too much right, its not on a public pc
04:17<hypnotic>devil: whats life without amarok ;)
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04:17<devil>hypnotic: i know lots of people who hate it for bloatedness, for me THE kde app
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04:18<hypnotic>devil: :p same here
04:18<sco50000>i fell in love with amarok a few days ago. definetly the best music program ever
04:18<mosno>can someone please explain why aptitude says libgpod3* packages are "not installable", but then offers to install them? apt lists install candidates for them too. debian sid --- http://rafb.net/p/JOazJk84.html
04:18<hypnotic>devil: still waiting for something similar for video
04:18<hypnotic>i like media libraries
04:18<mosno>sco50000: speaking of which :)
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04:20<hypnotic>devil: videomanagement is still crappy in linux
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04:21<hypnotic>devil: kaffeine is the only one with an acceptable playlist
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04:21<hypnotic>but no options
04:21<hypnotic>no management
04:21<hypnotic>cant even remove the album and other columns
04:22<sco50000>i don't watch video on my comp so amarok's all i need :)
04:22<hypnotic>maybe time for a feature request, last one i made, they implemented in only 2 weeks or so
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04:25<mosno>sorry, wifi failed
04:26<hypnotic>devil: thanx a lot, gonna do some work now, bye bye
04:26<devil>hypnotic: np
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04:45<chandu>Hi
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04:51<saratogacx>Hi
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04:54<chandu>I am trying to load the module "ata_piix" .but I am not able to , getting the following error
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04:55<chandu>ata_piix: version magic '2.6.19 SMP mod_unload 686 REGPARM 4STACKS' should be '2.6.19 mod_unload 386 REGPARM'
04:55<chandu>FATAL: Error inserting ata_piix (/lib/modules/2.6.19/kernel/drivers/ata/ata_piix.ko): Invalid module format
04:55<chandu>What may be the problem
04:56<chandu>My running kernel is 2.6.20
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04:56<devil>chandu: module needs to match kernel and arch
04:57<chandu>where I might have gone worng while compiling the kernel
04:57<devil>chandu: seems so
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05:19<joar>hmm, does anybody know howto run fsck on / without rescue cd or rebooting ? like doing 'init s' but howto remount / in ro mode ?
05:20<joar>umount /dev/sda1 doesn't work (?) (sda1 is my root partition)
05:22<padski>update-manager_0.42.2ubuntu22-11 ?
05:22<blarson>joar: mount -r -o remount / then fsck I think
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05:23<joar>blarson: cheers :) I got a 'filesystem is busy' error, but did a mount -fr -o remount / seemed to do the trick :)
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05:26<Guest288>hi
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05:30<midget>joar: try 'shutdown -F' (-F = Force fsck on reboot.)
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05:42<joar>midget: good point too, cheers :)
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05:44<KaiSVK>midget, good god, this was command I was searching for ever :)))))
05:44<KaiSVK>midget, thanx :)
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05:50<lasse>hei
05:51<konge6>hei her er konge6
05:51<lasse>hei du
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06:06<mtulio>necessary of aid. I formatted mine debian (reiserfs) for another one reiserfs. Problem, was archives that I forgot to copy. How I can recovery?
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06:08<devil>mtulio: you could try testdisk, there is a tool called photorec
06:08<devil>mtulio: not sure it'll recover anything after format
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06:10<mtulio>devil: but the testdisk not recovery reiserfs, only ext2 and ext3. Correcty?
06:11<devil>mtulio: even ntfs ;)
06:11<devil>http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
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06:13<mtulio>devil: lready I am with testdisk. I did not obtain is to use it.
06:14<devil>mtulio: huh?
06:14<devil>mtulio: read my link
06:15<mtulio>devil: yes
06:16<mtulio>devil: TestDisk can find lost partitions for all of these file systems also Reiserfs
06:16<devil>mtulio: yes
06:16<mtulio>devil: when use does not happen nothing.
06:17<devil>mtulio: use photorec
06:17<devil>inside testdisk
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06:18<devil>mtulio: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Data_Recovery_Examples#Recovery_of_reformated_partition
06:18<mtulio>huh!?!!? I go to use.
06:19<mtulio>devil: it happened already with you?
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06:19<devil>mtulio: not formated but deleted stuff
06:19<devil>mtulio: and i have seen it work many times
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06:20<mtulio>devil: i reformated of the reiserfs for reiserfs.
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06:21<devil>mtulio: please read, all instructions are there
06:21<mtulio>devil. in the link is for reformated another filesystem.
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06:21<mtulio>devil: ok
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06:22<mtulio>devil: sorry for the English. I am Brazilian. My English is poor.
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06:23<devil>mtulio: my pt is poorer
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06:25<mtulio>devil: : )
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06:27<mtulio>devil: I go to leave to place the HD to recovery. Thank's for the help.
06:29<mtulio>devil: you speak of where?
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06:31<kinlo>is there an easy way to disable a service on boot time?
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06:32<devil>kinlo: rcconf
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06:33<kinlo>if I disable something with rcconf, wont it get re-enabled as soon as I upgrade the package?
06:34<mosno>from the PTS, i see "nvidia-glx/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.07" --- but i can't see anyting in bugs.debian.org that could relate to this. how do i see what's the story with this nvidia-kernel-169.07 (a virtual package with no reverse-provides)?
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06:36<devil>kinlo: it will, yes
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06:36<mosno>in ubuntu the virtual package exists and it relates to the linux-restricted-modules
06:37<kinlo>mmmz, I run lenny on my laptop, and I install various daemons for testing reasons, I update daily but I don't wish to go over the list of daemons that need to be disabled daily.... is there no way to disable so debian's rc system remembers it?
06:39<devil>kinlo: not that i know, i used to have a script to prevent that, but thats a long time gone
06:39<kinlo>:/
06:40<kinlo>on my old laptop I had this script full off udpate-rc.d lines to fix it, but I found this too ugly
06:40<devil>lunch, bbl
06:40<kinlo>devil: ty :)
06:43<saratogacx>Okay I'm out. G'night
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06:54<DTE>hi all
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06:55<padski>hi
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06:57<eltimbal>salve a tutti
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06:59<DTE>someone knows why there're /etc/group and /etc/group-?
06:59<DTE>is the latter a backup?
07:00<ServerSide>!tar
07:00<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers
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07:02<sep>DTE, yes it's the previous version from before a package installed a group afaik.
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07:04<helge>hi, question, is there any tools for centrally manage package updating, check status on what patch level each box in a network is at, run like a dist-upgrade centrally, manage what packages should and should not be upgraded, centrally control reboots etc
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07:05<DTE>thanks sep
07:06<sep>helge, you could look at fai, you might also look at ocs-inventory, or if you just want to apt-get update on a lot of machines, perhaps something like dsh ?
07:06<DTE>actually we use ocsinventory+glpi
07:06<DTE>it's a good start
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07:11<helge>ok thanks, we're using WSUS for this on our windows servers, but with the growing numbers of debian based boxes in the DC I would like to get something similar for keeping track of what package state our debian boxes is in, and just say, update package1 2 3 4 5 and 6 on core1 servers, but only package 3 and 4 on dmz zone 1 servers for example
07:11<helge>am I aiming to high for the tools you guys mentioned here now or close?
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07:12<padski>helge, http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ssearch.html
07:12<padski>helge, the prog that came to mind was puppet
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07:18<reemi>hi
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07:28<zamolxes>hey. I forgot in what file the ethX -> physical device mappings are kept..
07:29<zamolxes>can you give me a clue? thanks
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07:29<padski>/etc/udev/
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07:30<zamolxes>so I can just delete z25_persistent-net.rule ?
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07:32<padski>zamolxes, I never tried it, but it looks that way :-)
07:33<padski>zamolxes, what is your real problem ?
07:34<padski>what is a good way to write a man page ?
07:34<zamolxes>padski: thanks
07:35<zamolxes>padski: oh, moving an installed debian in a new box. it gives eth3, eth4 to the new interfaces found
07:36<hathe|_>zamolxes: /etc/udev/rules.d/*net.rules
07:37<zamolxes>yea, already fixed it, padski hinted me.
07:37<zamolxes>thanks
07:37<padski>zamolxes, as long it's not a replacement NIC in a box in a datacentre 1000 miles away
07:38<zamolxes>padski: it's just a couple of miles away, and I'm already there :p
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07:45<Knight_Lord>I'm having a strange error. chown filipe.xray hamsterball
07:45<padski>where can I get a template man page ?
07:45<Knight_Lord>chown: changing ownership of `hamsterball': Operation not permitted
07:46<Knight_Lord>ls -la hamsterball
07:46<Knight_Lord>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 2004-12-09 21:50 .
07:46<Knight_Lord>I'm running as root
07:46<Knight_Lord>can anyone explain me how this can be?
07:46<padski>Knight_Lord, lsattr
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07:47<Knight_Lord>lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on hamsterball/Hammy1
07:47<Knight_Lord>.png
07:47<padski>what filesystem ?
07:47<Knight_Lord>nfs
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07:48<padski>and it's not mounted read-only ?
07:48<Knight_Lord>version 3 i believe
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07:48<Knight_Lord>padski it's not
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07:48<padski>is it just that file, just those owners ?
07:48<seanius>root may be squashed
07:48<Knight_Lord>seanius you're right
07:49<Knight_Lord>thanks for the help :)
07:49<padski>but it belongs to root ... oh! :-)
07:49<Knight_Lord>I guess I can only delete them on the server side
07:49<Knight_Lord>ok that fixed it, thanks :)
07:49<padski>or remount -o no_root_squash
07:50<seanius>i think that's set server-side padski
07:50<padski>not that that is necessairly a good idea :-)
07:51<padski>seanius, yeah. you know what I mean :-)
07:51<seanius>it's a pretty stupid security measure though
07:52<padski>why ?
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07:54<seanius>because the client can still use other uids to get nearly equivalent privileges
07:55<seanius>i.e. someone could drop a knoppix cd in, su to the user bin/adm/etc and create setuid/setgid binaries
07:56<seanius>maybe bin can even chgrp a setgid binary to root, not sure if squashi includes that
07:56<seanius>since bin is likely in the root group
07:57<seanius>ah, maybe not on debian
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08:00<padski>hmm, not sure what that gets you really. I suppose if that share is mounted without nosuid elsewhere
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08:01<MasterZ>Hello, is anybodey here?
08:01<padski>!ask
08:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:02<MasterZ>okay :)
08:02<MasterZ>I installed Debian on my laptop, but whenever the lid is closed it closes the network connection, is there a way that I can keep this up and running all the time? I'm using the laptop as a server and need it always active
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08:07<padski>MasterZ, do you want power management ?
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08:07<MasterZ>I already looked in the power management window, I don't need it though if that's what you are asking
08:09<MasterZ>it's set to never go to sleep, on lid close blank screen, and sleep type when inactive is "Do Nothing"
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08:10<seanius>MasterZ: is this etch or later?
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08:10<MasterZ>I think etch
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08:10<raph_ael>hi
08:11<seanius>MasterZ: yeah power management really sucks in etch, esp for laptops
08:11<raph_ael>i'm looking for a way to do an etch debootstrap from a sarge
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08:11<seanius>take a look around in /etc/acpi-support or similar, there should be a lid.sh script which is calling the utilities
08:12<seanius>on etch a standard etch laptop install you get *two* power management systems, and neither one talks to the other :/
08:13<MasterZ>ah
08:13<padski>raph_ael, I suspect you need the debootstrap prog from etch. perhaps from b.p.o ?
08:14<padski>sorry, b.d.o - backports.debian.org
08:14<MasterZ>no /etc/acpi-support
08:15<MasterZ>is there any reason to use the laptop option then wehn I am installing?
08:15<MasterZ>I'm installing it on a second laptop as we speak
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08:16<MasterZ>it being debian
08:16<raph_ael>padski: thanks, i'll have a look
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08:18<MasterZ>What all is included with the laptop install?
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08:19<padski>MasterZ, look in tasksel
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08:19<padski>I think ...
08:19<MasterZ>what's tasksel?
08:20<padski>tasksel --task-packages laptop
08:20<seanius>MasterZ: i don't have a laptop in front of me so i may be mis-remembering the name
08:20<padski>MasterZ, but the short answer is: try it
08:20<MasterZ>lol
08:20<seanius>but i'm pretty sure it's like /etc/acpi*
08:21<MasterZ>it has pcmciautils and teh wireless card is pcmcia so I may need it
08:21<padski>I have a /etc/acpi here
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08:21<MasterZ>yeah, I'm in acpi
08:21<MasterZ>missed it the first time
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08:22<[Shadow]>hello, where can I find a good HOWTO for manipulating virtual network interfaces ?
08:22<[Shadow]>with QEMU
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08:24<[Shadow]>my problem: I'm able to launch VM, it works but network doesn't work on the VM..
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08:24<jule>hi
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08:25<seanius>ah, the *package* was acpi-support, the file is /etc/acpi/lid.sh
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08:25<MasterZ>ah
08:26<MasterZ>what is lid.sh?
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08:27<seanius>it's a script run by acpid when the lid is closed
08:28<seanius>so you could probably just throw an "exit 0" under the shebang
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08:28<MasterZ>okay
08:28<seanius>similarly, you get interesting results when you push the power button, i'd guess :)
08:28<bart_>hello all
08:28<seanius>see http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425291
08:28<bart_>where can I find the C++ channel?
08:28<bart_>or a channel about glade?
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08:29<bart_>#c++
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08:29<MasterZ>i did what you said, and closed the lid and now I can't type into my ssh window
08:30<MasterZ>open the lid, I can type, close the lid, no typy :)
08:30<padski>MasterZ, lol
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08:31<bart_>why nobody is active in the C++ channel :( ??
08:31<MasterZ>so much for installing installing on my second laptop, I think the pcmcia card is dead, has not worked on 3 laptops now with 2 different types of linux... oh well :(
08:31<seanius>bart_: why are you asking here
08:31<bart_>seanius, I need help :(
08:32<bart_>seanius, but it's about compilers
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08:32<bart_>seanius, so I don't think I should ask it here
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08:32<bart_>seanius, only 4 people at #C++
08:32<seanius>try another network then
08:33<bart_>network?
08:33<bart_>IRC is the biggest isn't it?
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08:33<bart_>How to go to another network? ¬¬
08:33<seanius>MasterZ: you might want to poke around more in that directory and its subdirectories, see if there's something else that gets run
08:33<seanius>maybe logs or bumping acpid verbosity will help-
08:33<MasterZ>is there a file I can lookat to see what the hostname is?
08:34<MasterZ>seanius: okay
08:34<bart_>seanius, what is the adress of the general network?
08:34<bart_>seanius, I'm using ubuntu
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08:36<bart_>seanius, what's the name of the general server? :(
08:36<themill>bart_: you are kidding us, aren't you. You're not using debian and you're asking questions not related to debian on which channel.... #debian. Try irc.freenode.net
08:37<bart_>thanks, I was searching for that name 'freenode'
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08:37<bart_>I'm not kidding, I don't know why this Konversation goes automaticially to Debian, I'm using ubuntu!
08:38<bart_>normally it goes automaticially to freenode
08:38<otih>change it? :)
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08:39<bart_>done :)
08:39<bart_>thanks
08:39<bart_>496 nicks! Thanks themill :D bye all
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08:40<devil>bart size dont matter ;)
08:40<MasterZ>Where can I find the hostname of the machine?
08:40<MasterZ>lol @ devil
08:40<themill>MasterZ: run the command: hostname
08:41<seanius>it's usually stored in /etc/hostname and that's loaded at boottime
08:41<MasterZ>where do I change it?
08:41<MasterZ>okay
08:41<seanius>and if it's not there it may take something from dhcp, or default to something in /etc/hosts if it matches an interface
08:41<MasterZ>is that on all linux distros?
08:42<seanius>no, but there's somethign similar on most
08:42<padski>!hostname
08:42<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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08:43<MasterZ>so.... I have options then :)
08:43<seanius>on redhat it's /etc/sysconfig/network, for example
08:43<seanius>iirc
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08:43<MasterZ>ah
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08:43<themill>!timtowtdi
08:43<dpkg>i heard timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl.
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08:43<MasterZ>I'm using PCLinuxOS on my other laptop
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08:44<MasterZ>I love it when people's computer breaks and they just give it to me :)
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08:45<themill>sounds familiar.... that happened to me last night with mrs themill's laptop...
08:45<MasterZ>:)
08:45<MasterZ>a guy at work got mad at his computer (while trying to quit chewing tobacco) and it quit working
08:45<MasterZ>he threw in the old hdd that he had for it and it didn't help so he gave it to me
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08:46<MasterZ>turns out he busted the extra RAM slot underneath the MB, so I took out the RAM and now it works
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08:46<MasterZ>Bad news is it is now down to 512MB of ram, good news I used the other 512 to upgrade a computer that only had 64MB
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08:46<MasterZ>:)
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08:49<avdyk>does someone have a bootable xen on sid? My 2.6.23-1 xen kernel does not want to boot
08:49<avdyk>and it seems there is no error, it only freeze after VGA something and then reboot...
08:50<MasterZ>what is the best way to give the reboot command to Debian?
08:50<padski>MasterZ, reboot has been childproofed
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08:51<MasterZ>okay
08:51<padski>MasterZ, what do you want to acheive ?
08:51<padski>note to self: i before e ...
08:52<MasterZ>reboot :) lol
08:52<MasterZ>another linux distro I am using hangs on the reboot command
08:52<MasterZ>at work we always use init 6 so I just wasn't sure what the best way was
08:53<padski>MasterZ, maybe you want "shutdown -r now"
08:53<seanius>or "reboot"
08:53<seanius>or init 6
08:53<MasterZ>do they all do the same thing on Debian or is one way prefered? "reboot" seemed to work great
08:54<seanius>i believe they are all wrappers for init 6
08:54<MasterZ>okay
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08:54<padski>on some systems reboot is the equivalent of "reboot -f" on debian, so I don't think suggesting "reboot" is such a good idea :-)
08:54<seanius>yeah don't try that on solaris for example
08:54*seanius learned this the hard way
08:54<MasterZ>sorry for the dumb questions, I'm bored and messing aroudn with stuff :)
08:54<padski>hehe
08:55<MasterZ>yeah, on Solaris we have to use init 6
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08:55<padski>MasterZ, which is sysv style
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08:57<MasterZ>I cannot get the hostname to change on this other computer lol
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09:08<qrange>I have a problem with acpi and apm :/
09:08<qrange>should I disable apm in bios?
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09:18<peppe>ciao a tutti
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09:20<peppe>ma non ce nessuno?
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09:22<buffoon_work>i have a problem with the xserver: the screen flickers... i know that i have to set it to 75Hz but "xrandr -q" shows only 60Hz...
09:22<buffoon_work>so i can't change that
09:22<buffoon_work>in windows i changed it to 75Hz and it worked fine
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09:24<hathe|_>buffoon_work: remove all hsync/vsync lines in xorg.conf
09:27<buffoon_work>if i comment it out i get an error on the screen: wrong mode: 1280x1024@60Hz and change it to 83.10k/77.84Hz
09:28<hathe|_>buffoon_work: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
09:28<Gekz>how can i set init 3 at boot time every time
09:28<hathe|_>Gekz: /boot/grub/menu.lst
09:29<Gekz>there has to be a better way
09:30<hathe|_>Gekz: whats wrong with that way?
09:31<Gekz>its improper.
09:31<Gekz>its an os thing
09:31<Gekz>not a bootloader thing
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09:32<hathe|_>Gekz: no, grub tells kernel what runlevel should start...
09:32<padski>Gekz, id in /etc/inittab
09:32<Gekz>padski: thanks
09:32<robokop>is there a way i can convert my running installation to from a 64 bit to a 32 bit installation
09:33<padski>robokop, without rebooting ?
09:34<robokop>no reboot is fine
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09:38<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:38<sneex>robokop: after you installed all the 32-bits libraries you would still need to reboot to get the 32-bit kernel
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09:39<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
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09:40<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with, wine on ubuntu?
09:40<jose>alguien sabe como instalar una camara web
09:40<jose>????
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09:41<padski>robokop, so when you say convert, you want to keep the same packages and keep your data, but otherwise you could reinstall ?
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09:42<andrej>how can i make my swiftweasel default browser for all internet links ???
09:43<padski>andrej, I would guess: alternatives
09:43<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:43<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:43<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:43<Gekz>...
09:43<andrej>kepete forget msn :D
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09:43<padski>!ubuntu
09:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
09:44<robokop>padski: indeed
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09:45<sebastianito>i use pidgin now, but i rather like to have msn, do u know what versions wine supports?
09:45<Ganneff>no.
09:45<Ganneff>and you are wrong here.
09:45-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
09:45<andrej>padski: i did "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and set it to swiftweasel but if i click on a link it says that it can't find iceweasel
09:45<andrej>what can i do ?
09:47<padski>andrej, click on a link where, out of interest ?
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09:47<andrej>padski: for example kopete
09:47<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:47<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:47<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
09:47<sebastianito>what msn versions can i use with wine on ubuntu?
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09:47<andrej>i wil test if there works http://www.google.com
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09:48<padski>thanks, Ganneff :-)
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09:48<andrej>padski: neither on xchat doesn't work i can't find iceweasel
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09:53<padski>teste data for me: http://google.com
09:54<andrej>padski: message is Could not find the program 'iceweasel'
09:54<padski>andrej, yes. swiftweasel you say ?
09:55<andrej>padski: yes i have installed and working swiftweasle
09:55<andrej>swiftweasel
09:56<padski>that's some arch support they have there
09:59<andrej>padski: do you know the answer to my problem ?
09:59<padski>andrej, is /usr/bin/swiftweasel a symlink ?
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10:01<andrej>padski: i don't know that do you mean with that sorry ...
10:02<padski>andrej, ls -l /usr/bin/*weasel*
10:02<padski>!paste
10:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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10:02<andrej>no such directory
10:02<andrej>or file
10:03<padski>andrej, ok, so where does update-alternatives say swiftweasel is ?
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10:04<andrej>padski: /usr/local/bin/swiftweasel
10:04<padski>andrej, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link
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10:05<padski>andrej, ls -l /usr/local/bin/swiftweasel
10:05<padski>(and that is plain wrong in my book)
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10:05<andrej>-rwxr-xr-x 1 andrej andrej 61 2007-12-02 01:02 /usr/local/bin/swiftweasel
10:06<andrej>i installed the .deb with kpackage
10:06<padski>that's a script ?
10:06<andrej>i entered your command and that it showed
10:07<andrej>you mean swiftweasle ?
10:07<padski>andrej, at 61 bytes ?
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10:08<andrej>Swiftweasel is an optimized builds of the Mozilla Firefox web browser for Linux. With builds for both AMD and Intel processors. The official branding will be removed and replaced with free and open source branding.
10:08<padski>andrej, cat /etc/issue
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10:09<andrej>http://swiftweasel.tuxfamily.org/
10:09<andrej>Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l
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10:10<padski>andrej, these debs say ubuntu on them.
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10:11<andrej>padski: yes so :) i works :) just the links want iceweasel...
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10:11<padski>andrej, ls -al /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
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10:12<IRCFrEAK>ls
10:12<Slydder>anyone here running open-xchange?
10:12<andrej>ls -al /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
10:12<andrej>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2008-01-23 16:05 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /u sr/local/bin/swiftweasel
10:12<themill>!tell Slydder about anyone
10:12<IRCFrEAK>hi all !
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10:13<padski>andrej, that is how it is supposed to be. I fancy the breakage is in the swiftweasel package. I suggest you ask them.
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10:14<IRCFrEAK>i think i need help. i need someting to monitor my LAN client traffic. I d'like something able to save output to html files.
10:15<IRCFrEAK>any ideas ?
10:15<andrej>padski: i don't think that is the problem with the swiftweasel but with debian ...
10:15<padski>andrej, perhaps someone else here will help you test that theory
10:15<andrej>=)
10:16<seanius>IRCFrEAK: acid/base/snort or wireshark, depending on your needs maybe
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10:16<andrej>padski: is there a command the makes a default web browser or not ? or we saw all the options ?
10:17<padski>andrej, x-www-browser
10:17<themill>andrej: if they are installing things into /usr/local and have ubuntu in the names of the packages, then I'd suggest there's something wrong with the packages and not debian. In fact, if any out-of-debian package doesn't work as expected within debian, the problem is with the package and not with debian.
10:18<IRCFrEAK>hi seanius ... i've already tryed darkstat and mrtg ... but tey do not "print" protocol statistics.
10:19<IRCFrEAK>hi only need to have a graphical view of every client traffic with date/time and possibily protocol info
10:19<andrej>padski: esd: no process killed
10:19<andrej>the settings directory exists
10:19<IRCFrEAK>:-)
10:19<andrej>themill: thx :)
10:20<padski>andrej, does it start the browser ?
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10:21<padski>andrej, to answer your earlier question, no we have not exhausted the options for configuring browser preferences. see, for example, the preferences in xfce4-terminal
10:22<andrej>padski : yes the browser starts
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10:22*themill wonders just how much better swiftweasel is cf iceweasel and suspects he's observing the gentoo effect
10:22<padski>themill +1
10:23<themill>!gentoosmite andrej
10:23*dpkg spends 6 days recompiling andrej, and when it's all done, andrej runs 5% slower than previously
10:24<andrej>wtf 5% slower... :)
10:25<andrej>padski: i don't have installed xfce4-terminal
10:25<themill>you're lucky it's only 5%
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10:25<themill>iirc, xchat uses the gnome browser config from the gnome-control-center.
10:26<padski>andrej, I won't be installing swiftweasel
10:26<themill>of course it's quite possible that I don't remember correctly :)
10:26<padski>themill, would it default to the debian x-www-browser, cos I did test here
10:26<IRCFrEAK>unfortunatly wireshark/snort it not what i'm looking for... i need someting able to generate html file to put on my LAN webserver.
10:27<andrej>padski: don't bother i just wandered i you can just click or type a command and say you are my default browser and that all :)
10:27<themill>padski: that should be the default, but in lieu of being able to change alternatives to a non-alternatives-supporting package, one could try configuring at a user level rather than a system level.
10:27<padski>how do I run the gnome browser from the command line ?
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10:32<padski>andrej, ls -l /usr/bin/gnome-www-browser
10:32<IRCFrEAK>ok ... it seems none can help me ... thanks anyway to all !
10:33<padski>andrej, better ls -l /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser
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10:33<padski>IRCFrEAK, snort
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10:35<IRCFrEAK>padsky, snort ??? but isn't it an IDS ??
10:35<andrej>padski: i solved the problem !!! i just went to control center ---> component cho..--->Web Browser --> then i just entered in where it said "Open http and https urls" "in the following browser" i typed in the box swiftweasel and it works !!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
10:36<andrej>swift weasel is much faster you should try it
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10:36*themill remembers suggesting that....
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10:36<andrej>i hope that it comes in official deb packages .. :)
10:37<andrej>padski: thank you very much for your help !
10:37<themill>andrej: you realise that it's no different to apt-get -b source iceweasel, don't you...
10:37<padski>andrej, I'm glad you got a result
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10:38<andrej>themill: really ?
10:38<andrej>themill: the i should you compile it and it would be the same shit ?
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10:39<themill>pretty much. Well, they probably change a couple of CFLAGS too. They don't say very much on their website so it's hard to know. And anyway, optimising userspace binaries is a load of bollox most of the time anyway.
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10:40<andrej>themill: it works and you notice it very much so why not :)
10:41<andrej>thx you all ! got to go
10:41<andrej>bye
10:41<andrej>exit
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10:44<seanius>IRCFrEAK: so you want a visualization/graphing tool then?
10:45<seanius>you could probably hack something into cacti to do that, but you'd probably have to write the glue yourself
10:46<seanius>depends on how you get the data to begin with (tcpdump files, netflow, router snmp queries, etc)
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10:51<IRCFrEAK>seanuius, excuse my late! i'm running debian as router for my lan. i only 'd like to see adsl traffic visualization/graphing to have an idea of who is using the net for what
10:52<IRCFrEAK>seanius, darkstat seems to be ok ... but do not print protocol stats.
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10:54<IRCFrEAK>i was looking for somethin light ... running tcpdump 24h/24h will make my debina box slow as 286 ! .-)
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11:02<jeremiah>Is there a 'right way' to run setuid scripts?
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11:03<padski>jeremiah, as opposed to ?
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11:03<jeremiah>padski: Well, I want to run a perl setuid script
11:03<jeremiah>and I added a package called perl-suid
11:03<jeremiah>but it says that it is 'strongly deprecated'
11:03<jeremiah>which leads me to presume there is another, better way.
11:04<padski>jeremiah, can get a bit scary, yes :-)
11:04<padski>jeremiah, are you performing this task interactively ?
11:04<microbe>hello
11:04<jeremiah>padski: No, I want to run a script that does some magic with rootly powers
11:04<jeremiah>basically just change the time on a remote machine
11:05<jeremiah>(that I have access too_
11:05<jeremiah>but cannot use private keys on)
11:05<seanius>something that sudo can't handle?
11:05<jeremiah>seanius: sudo is not installed on the remote box. :(
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11:05<jeremiah>be design
11:05<jeremiah>I mean, by design
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11:06<seanius>well, there's an established system for managing delegated root access, and it's called sudo
11:06<jeremiah>seanius: Understood.
11:06<seanius>if you have root privileges to install the setuid binary, why not just install sudo? you can have it so that sudo can only be used for this task
11:07<jeremiah>Because the entire system is designed to be very, very small. And I have no control over its design.
11:07<jeremiah>And therefor, when I check out and build the system, I have to test it based on what it has.
11:07<jeremiah>If it does not have sudo, I still have to test it.
11:07<jeremiah>Without sudo.
11:08<jeremiah>So, no sudo, not going to get sudo, sudo no.
11:08<jeremiah>Have to us setuid
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11:08<padski>jeremiah, it can be done, but it is an area with big warning signs pasted all around :-)
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11:09<jeremiah>padski: Because if someone evil discovers the script they can escalat their priviliges?
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11:09<jeremiah>Or are there other reasons to be wary?
11:10<padski>jeremiah, because it is easy to get wrong
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11:10<themill>jeremiah: sudo has lots of advantages over suid for this.
11:10<padski>jeremiah, on a lot of systems a setuid script is plain insecure
11:10<jeremiah>themill: Yeah, I would like to use sudo, but cannot.
11:11<seanius>echo 'execve("/path/to/your/program", "program");' > foo.c
11:11<seanius>gcc foo.c
11:11<padski>jeremiah, I'm no expert, but I think those problems have been sorted on linux. but the whole area is fraught with peril
11:11<seanius>chown root:root a.out
11:11<seanius>chmod u+s a.out
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11:11<seanius>:)
11:11<seanius>mv a.out sudo
11:11<themill>ewwww
11:11<seanius>hee hee
11:12<jeremiah>hmmmmm
11:12<microbe>i'm on debian-amd64, i need to install java-jre-32bits but when i install with aptitude I get 64bits version. Is there anyway to get 32bits version?
11:12<themill>jeremiah: I take it you're not admin on this box, but you're allowed to write suid scripts for it... hmmm.... An odd situation. Perhaps the person who doesn't want sudo needs a good larting with a heavy cluebat.
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11:12<jeremiah>themill: I agree, it makes no sense to me.
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11:12<seanius>well if it's an embedded system where space is at a premium... but then again if there's room for perl there's probably room for sudo
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11:13<jeremiah>seanius: Exactly, its embeded, but does not have perl - I am using perl remotely to call the system() call
11:13<jeremiah>So I am accessing the system via a gateway, testing ntp
11:14<jeremiah>The system itself is a cluster with a flash-based root file system
11:14<jeremiah>so private keys do not get saved between reboots and there is no sudo
11:14<seanius>well still you need to "install" something on the remote system, whether it's a sudo binary or a setuid binary that executes your desired program
11:15<Wesley>How bad is it if 99% of netstat -a shows "TIME_WAIT" for http ?
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11:16<jeremiah>seanius: well, I can call ssh like this from perl: my $foo = `ssh node1 date -s '2002-01-01'
11:16<jeremiah>So I do not need to install anything on the remote server.
11:16*seanius is confused now
11:16<themill>jeremiah: so where does suid come into this?
11:17<seanius>you want to run something as root on the remote system, what does it matter whether the local script is setuid
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11:17<jeremiah>Well, if I can call my perl script as root, then I can execute the command, because only root can change the date
11:17<seanius>on the *remote* machine
11:18<jeremiah>If I execute the script as an ordinary user, I cannot change the date
11:18*seanius hands a "-l root" to jeremiah
11:18<jeremiah>seanius: Exactly.
11:18<themill>jeremiah: it's root on the remote machine that can change the date not root on the local machine
11:18<jeremiah>themill: Exactly, so if I call the script as root, it will ssh as root
11:18<padski>who's on base ?
11:19<jeremiah>I am probably explaining this rather poorly.
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11:19<themill>what's on second!
11:20<jeremiah>seanius: -l is great, but hasn't been working, I'll pass the message . . .
11:20<themill>jeremiah: You can run ssh as any user you like and connect to the remote machine with a different user. Why isn't -l working? Can you run both local ssh client and remote ssh daemon with debug options to see why?
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11:21<seanius>if it's not working there's either something in .ssh/config for you or root that's breaking/not-breaking things
11:22<seanius>or similar in .ssh
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11:22<jeremiah>I did do some stuff with corkscrew in .ssh/conf so maybe . . .
11:22<themill>jeremiah: if you want to log in as root, the daemon has to permitrootlogin too
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11:23<seanius>yeah but if it already works as root, then that's not the case
11:23<padski>password ? key ?
11:24<jeremiah>themill: root is allowed to login.
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11:24<themill>seanius: hmm.... I don't like the sound of that.... if it works as root then it should work as -l root
11:24<seanius>unless there's something in .ssh/config
11:24<seanius>different settings, or maybe mismatching host keys, etc
11:24<jeremiah>padski: I can't use a key (which would be the most logical solution) since root's home directory is in flash memory. This means that any key I create gets wiped out on reboot.
11:25<jeremiah>Because the flash memory gets wrtten over at start.
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11:25<jeremiah>I want to aviod using expect to pass the password
11:26<padski>:-)
11:26<jeremiah>I'm pretty SOL hunh? :)
11:26<seanius>well if you have no key, then you pretty much ahve to provide a password
11:26<seanius>unless the machine has some kind of rhosts type config
11:27<jeremiah>seanius: Exactly, and that means entering the password.
11:27<padski>and if you have to script all this, that means writing the password down.
11:27<seanius>and regardless a setuid binary on the local machine won't help too much
11:27<jeremiah>padski: Exactly, not the most secure thing to do.
11:28<jeremiah>So maybe I should go to the designer and say; "I can't complete the tests without sudo."
11:28<padski>jeremiah, hmm.
11:28<padski>one more time again ...
11:29<jeremiah>I'll describe the algorithm:
11:29<padski>jeremiah, when you are root locally, you can ssh to the remote without a password ??
11:29<jeremiah>padski: no
11:30<padski>so any way round you are going to be writing this scret down. which is okay. we do that with computers. trick is to be careful about where you put it :-)
11:30<padski>or get them to change the remote
11:30<seanius>or ask the designer to install an ssh keypair
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11:31<jeremiah>seanius: I can install a key pair as a user, but not as root.
11:31<themill>or rhosts if it's on a trusted net
11:31<jeremiah>due to the aforementioned fact that the /root dir gets wiped out and re-installed every reboot.
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11:32<padski>so you have some code that you want to call a script that changes the date, so that the code can be untrusted ?
11:32<jeremiah>themill: It is a pretty secure, trusted network (inside the leading telecommunications equipement company's lab)
11:32<seanius>but only /root?
11:32<themill>jeremiah: The real question is how to do something as root on the *remote* machine.
11:32<jeremiah>themill: Exactly.
11:32<jeremiah>without sudo and private keys
11:32<jeremiah>hard
11:33<themill>jeremiah: So an suid binary that does date and a dedicated user with a key-pair are possible
11:33<themill>jeremiah: logging in as root on the remote machine should not be required for this.
11:33<jeremiah>themill: That could work, but I would have to generate the key-pair and put it on the server, _without_ inputting a password.
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11:34<jeremiah>so using scp won't work
11:34<jeremiah>because it will ask for a password.
11:34<padski>something like a dedicated shell
11:35<jeremiah>The goal of course is for this to be automated.
11:35<seanius>is it only / loaded from flash, i.e. are there directories which persist?
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11:35<jeremiah>seanius: Yes, there are directories that persist
11:35<jeremiah>Do you think I could store the root key somewhere else then?
11:35<jeremiah>hmmm, clever
11:35<seanius>does /etc persist?
11:35<themill>jeremiah: it doesn't even need to be a root key
11:36<themill>jeremiah: it can be any user who then calls an suid binary to set the date.
11:36<jeremiah>themill: ah, so create the setuid binary on the cluster, use my key to call that setuid binary?
11:36<jeremiah>cluster == remote machine
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11:37<jeremiah>themill: That sounds like a good solution.
11:37<seanius>if /etc persists you can change the value of where authorized keys exist
11:37<jeremiah>Thanks everyone for all your excellent help btw, I really appreciate it. :)
11:37<themill>jeremiah: yes. on remote machine: adduser timeset; create keys; create suid binary; put it in its own group and put that "timeset" user in that group too.
11:37<seanius>and you can send your own collection of keys
11:37<jeremiah>seanius: In /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
11:38<seanius>jeremiah: yes
11:38<jeremiah>hmmm, that could work as well.
11:38<seanius>if you can do that you don't need an suid binary
11:38<seanius>you can generate keypairs that are restricted to a specific command
11:38<themill>but you need to permit root login....
11:38<padski>or even adduser timeset --shell /usr/bin/timeset
11:38<themill>padski: you do need to pass the argument to timeset though
11:39<padski>themill, psst ... got any buffers ?
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11:39<themill>nope, fresh out...
11:39<seanius>in which case you'd still need a wrapper script (for the restricted shell or keypair approach)
11:40<themill>jeremiah: there are additional tricks like linking a key to a particular command
11:40<seanius>but anyway i think it's no longer an interesting question and now merely "an exercise for the reader" :)
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11:42<themill>heh... famous last words
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11:42<adolfo>hola
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11:42<adolfo>hay alguien ahi ?
11:43<themill>!es
11:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:44<adolfo>alguien maneja debian
11:45<padski>!tell adolfo about es
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11:45<jeremiah>themill: Cool, thanks!
11:45<jeremiah>seanius: Thanks for your help!
11:45<jeremiah>padski: Thank you!
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11:45<themill>jeremiah: no worries... Good luck with it :)
11:45<jeremiah>I'll need it!
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11:51<adolfo>alguien q hable español
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11:52<tiagosab>!es
11:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:59<padski>bash: cd: asterisk: Permission denied
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12:00<padski>seems a bit mean :-(
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12:01<RoboShim>hi. Anyone can me explain, why dpkg-shlibdeps writes warning: format of `NEEDED libitalc_core.so' not recognized and does not include library? how can I resolve it? thank you
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12:09<padski>RoboShim, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460889
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12:14<peyman>mistakenly, I deleted some files on my memory stick (vfat 16). so googled and found that i can dd the whole device into a file and then using fsck.vfat -u <deleted filename> <image file> undelete it. but i get this warning: did not undelete file foo. any idea?
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12:20<padski>peyman, yes, but this is OT for #debian :-)
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12:20<padski>peyman, hexdump, strings, grep, dd ...
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12:21<padski>peyman, IIRC on fat the first character of the filename is overwritten on delete ?
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12:23<RoboShim>padski: thank you ...
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12:28<Woet`>when i use 'chattr +i server.cfg', NOBODY is able to do anything with it
12:29<Woet`>can i make an exception for one user, who may touch it?
12:29<microbe>i'm on debian-amd64, i need to install java-jre-32bits but when i install with aptitude I get 64bits version. Is there anyway to get 32bits version?
12:29<padski>Woet`, don't use immutable then
12:29<HennaX>is there a way to debootstrap AMD64 from within a running i386?
12:29<azeem>microbe: in a 32bit chroot
12:29<Woet`>well, if i dont use immutable, everybody is able to delete it
12:29<azeem>HennaX: yes
12:29<Woet`>i dont want that either
12:29<padski>Woet`, where is it ?
12:29<HennaX>azeem: tips would be very welcome!
12:30<azeem>HennaX: debootstrap has an --arch amd64 --foreign option
12:30<Woet`>its in the home dir of a user
12:30<azeem>or so
12:30<microbe>I tryed with to java binary but i get errors, program hangs on: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /opt/jre1.6.0_03/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
12:30<Woet`>but nobody but 'www-data' should be allowed to do anything with it
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12:31<microbe>and the libXext.so.6 does exist in /usr/lib
12:31<padski>Woet, does the user need to own their home directory ?
12:31<Woet>well, yea
12:31<Woet>he should be allowed to do anything he wants with it
12:31<Woet>except server.cfg
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12:32<HennaX>azeem: that basically divides the debootstrap into 2 stages of which i have to do the second stage after i booted the 64bit kernel?
12:32<padski>Woet, and why is it there ?
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12:32<Woet>because it needs to
12:32<Woet>the software requires it there
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12:33<azeem>HennaX: actually, it should work without the --foreign, provided you run this on a 64bit machine with a 64bit kernel
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12:34<padski>Woet, what software ?
12:34<Woet>err, SA-MP 0.2.2 server
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12:35<HennaX>azeem: thats the problem. the machine has a 32bit kernel on i386 Lenny
12:36<fxiny>HennaX: any luck with pam ?
12:36<Woet>padski, if i make the file owner of 'www-data', and chmodded to 755
12:36<Woet>how is another user able to delete it?
12:36<azeem>HennaX: you need a 64bit kernel to chroot into it later on anyway
12:36<azeem>HennaX: lenny should provde 64bit kernels for i386
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12:36<HennaX>fxiny: unsolved mystery. the lock_time and unlock_time settings take no effect no matter what i do :-)
12:37<padski>Woet, I think it is the owner of the directory who is at liberty to delete the link
12:37<Woet>hm
12:37<HennaX>azeem: but that would install several dependencies on the i386 setup, right?
12:37<Woet>padski, it is possible
12:37<padski>Woet, it ?
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12:37<Woet>they arent supposed to delete files in /home/username/
12:37<Woet>but they are in /home/username/subdir
12:38<azeem>HennaX: what kind of dependencies?
12:38<Woet>so i can give them ownership of the subfolders
12:38<padski>Woet, not that uncommon a situation
12:38<Woet>right? :)
12:38<padski>Woet, I have seen systems like that
12:38<padski>Woet, that is why I asked
12:38<Woet>ah
12:38<Woet>i will just test it out
12:38<Woet>thanks for your time
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12:38<padski>Woet, you are welcome
12:39<HennaX>azeem: just asking. cause the i386 has to stay untouched or my co-worker will kill me tomorrow
12:39<azeem>HennaX: the i386 kernel?
12:39<azeem>or the rest of the installation?
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12:39<azeem>you can dual-boot the new kernel of course
12:40<HennaX>azeem: it wont change libc and such?
12:40<azeem>no
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12:41<voodoo>jest ktos ?;]
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12:41<azeem>HennaX: well, apart from this being testing, and a new package maybe dragging in newer versions of stuff
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12:43<voodoo>mam pewnien problem pomoze ktos ?;]
12:43<HennaX>i think i better try to get a netinstall CD for AMD64 and upgrade that to Lenny later
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12:45<azeem>!pl
12:45<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
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12:53<stickman>hi all. i installed mysql-server- at the end of package setup, it tries to start mysql but complains; invoke rc.d: unknown initscript. /etc/init.d/mysql not found. i reinstalled but still no init file
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12:53<padski>stickman, what release ?
12:54<stickman>etch. the mysql is 5.0.32-7
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12:55<azeem>stickman: 5.0.32-7etch4 is current
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12:55<stickman>azeem: and that's what's trying to install, but no init scripts go in
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12:57<stickman>even removed and installed again, but no init script installs
12:57<padski>stickman, you're not out of space ?
12:57<stickman>nope
12:57<padski>stickman, and the rest of the system is up to date ?
12:57<azeem>did you remove the initscript earlier?
12:57<robert>hey
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12:59<stickman>azeem: may have. i had this box set up with a myth front end and took it all off to install the whole works on the one box
12:59<jthomas_>I'm running Lenny/KDE and have installed Firefox from the Mozilla download tar.gz; how can I assocaite the debian kaffeine-mozilla plugin so that my Kaffeine opens when Firefox needs a media player?
13:00<stickman>azeem: took off all mysql and myth
13:00<padski>jthomas_, pardon me, but why ?
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13:01<stickman>padski: should be. i'll do a update
13:01<jthomas_>padski: I don't want to install RealPlayer but I need Firefox to believe it exists so I can play a realmedia webcast
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13:02<padski>jthomas_, but why the mozilla.org firefox ?
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13:04<stickman>using synaptic and looking at the package installed files, the init scripts appear to be part of what i'm trying to install, but they don't go in
13:05<padski>stickman, --purge make any difference ? ( be careful any databases already on the system)
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13:05<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, did you just ask that question on a blog?
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13:05<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, get http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=86937&package_id=118133
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13:06<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, then ./configure --prefix=~/.mozilla/
13:06<stickman>padski: how is --purge used?
13:07<padski>stickman, (I don't know if it will make any difference) as an option to apt-get remove
13:07<stickman>ah
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13:09<jthomas_>AbsintheSyringe: lol yeah actually it was your blog :) How would I do that with the debian package though, not the tarball/source ?
13:09<stickman>padski: nope. still no init script
13:09<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, small world eh? :)
13:09<robert>what the fuck are you lot on about
13:10<jthomas_>indeed
13:10<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, apt-get install kaffeine-mozilla
13:10<jthomas_>i've done that
13:10<jthomas_>firefox still isn't seeing it
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13:10<padski>stickman, I gotta go, but you've got me there anyways :-)
13:10<stickman>padski: thanks anyway
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13:11<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, hm, let me see
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13:11<jthomas_>maybe its just the website, i dunno. SearchEnterpriseLinux.com but it requires registration to get to the webcasts.
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13:17<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, try this ./configure --prefix=~/.mozilla/plugins | once it's done, check ~/.mozilla/plugins, if you see the plugin somewhere outside or something, just move it "physically" to ~/.mozilla/plugin
13:18<AbsintheSyringe>the post you read, was done on slackware, but it's the same thing on debian
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13:19<jthomas_>So I would still have to use the source
13:19<jthomas_>how about -dpkg-reconfigure kaffeine-mozilla --prefix=~/.mozilla/plugins ?
13:20<jthomas_>does that do things?
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13:20<AbsintheSyringe>yea I think so, the way it's packed
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13:20<AbsintheSyringe>could work ...
13:20<AbsintheSyringe>I'd just go/am going with src
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13:21<jthomas_>looking into my home Kubuntu install, there is nothing special in my ~/.mozilla/plugins there. Let me try the dpkg command...
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13:22<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, do excatly as you're told now
13:23<AbsintheSyringe>jthomas_, fsck kubuntu, on debian all plugins are in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins, check there
13:23<jthomas_>hm doesn't work with the dpkg-reconfigure.... --prefix part (Unknown option: prefix) .. i may just give up for now, thanks for the help
13:23<jthomas_>ok will check there
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13:24<AbsintheSyringe>just move what you want from /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins to ~/.mozilla/plugins
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13:24<AbsintheSyringe>no need to give up
13:24<SJaak020>hello
13:24<jthomas_>yeah just java, flash, and adobe reader there...
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13:25<SJaak020>when booting I get an error : Begin Waiting for root file system...
13:25<SJaak020>ALERT!/ dev/hde1 does not exist
13:26<AbsintheSyringe>it should be /dev/hda1 not /dev/hde1
13:26<SJaak020>thnx I am going to try that
13:26<AbsintheSyringe>fix that in your /etc/fstab
13:26<SJaak020>how do I do that
13:26<SJaak020>I cant boot
13:26<SJaak020>I cant boot ;x
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13:27<AbsintheSyringe>boot with some live distro or something, and then try altering it
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13:28<SJaak020>the kernel string is now /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro
13:28<SJaak020>is that correct?
13:29<AbsintheSyringe>yea
13:29<SJaak020>what does ro means at the end?
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13:29<AbsintheSyringe>read only
13:29<SJaak020>okidoki
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13:29<SJaak020>when done press b on savedefault ?
13:30<SJaak020>I'm n00b sorry :(
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13:30<themill>btw that's an old kernel... you should upgrade that to 2.6.18-5- at some stage as there are some security patches in the newer one.
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13:30<themill>(after you've unhosed your machine, obviously ;)
13:30<SJaak020>:P
13:30<the-dude>*g*
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13:31<SJaak020>it worked :D
13:31<SJaak020>thnx dude
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13:33<edthefox>exit
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13:46<edthefox>i'm logged in to a remote system and when I issue the 'who' command it shows that i'm logged in twice (pts/2 & pts/3) but i'm actually only logged in on pts/3. how do i end the pts/2 session??
13:47<themill>look through ps axf for that other session and kill the shell
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13:47<edthefox>ok ... trying that now
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13:49<edthefox>GREAT!! that fixed it. *Thanks!*
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13:49<themill>:)
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13:51<edthefox>themill: I actually had to kill the *parent* to the shell, but it worked, I had forgotten all about the f flag
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13:53<themill>ps ax would also be enough -- f just shows you the ascii forest to make it easier to spot. Killing the shell is *normally* enough, but killing the sshd that you own will work too
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13:56<edthefox>themill: have you been using debian for a long time?
13:57<themill>about 10 years
13:57<edthefox>wow
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13:58<sco50000>i feel really cold, can i do something like apt-get jacket?
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13:58<edthefox>i've been using it for a couple, but haven't dug into it because it just works,
13:58*themill overclocks sco50000 to warm him up nicely
13:58<themill>edthefox: it's nice like that :)
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14:00<qwe>dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
14:00<qwe>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
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14:18<sco50000>!moo
14:18<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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14:21<HennaX>heh
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14:25<gaston>anyone familiaire with misterhouse and the LAN-rfxcom receiver?
14:26<gaston>sorry... wrong channel
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14:30<dest>hi everyone
14:31<sco50000>hello
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14:35<dragunoff>hello, does anyone know hot to set up VPN-connection? Thank you
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14:39<HennaX>dragunoff: there should be guides on the web regarding that topic
14:40<HennaX>bit too complex to teach via IRC i think
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14:41<adouglas>list
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14:45<adouglas>alguem pode ajudar?
14:45<sjm>dragunoff: look for Hamachi. I've no experience, but "they" say it is one of the easiest to setup.
14:45<noflash>!br
14:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:46<adouglas>obrigado
14:46<noflash>;)
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14:47<sjm>Anyone here know which kernel version supports the Marvel IDE Controller? From what I've read I need to compile a newer kernel to get support for my IDE DVD drive.
14:48<sjm>(Intel DG965SS Motherboard)
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14:55<HennaX>sjm: do you already know the kernel version from that on your chipset is supported?
14:56<enouf>sjm: perhaps a kmuto backported one
14:56<enouf>sjm: i could check all the chnagelogs, but you should do that
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15:02<sjm>enouf: I was just going to start doing that.
15:03<sjm>HennaX: Not quite sure, that's why I ask. From what I've read, some say 2.6.18, others 2.6.19, other examples use 2.6.20
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15:04<HennaX>sjm: best thing to do is to go and parse the release notes of certain kernel versions for the note when the support for the chipset was added
15:06<HennaX>sjm: in case you need a custom kernel you should have a look at the package "kernel-package" and do it the debian way
15:07<enouf>sjm: does lspci say the info about it? Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6101 single-port PATA133 interface pata_marvell v2.6.21
15:07<SJaak020>how to update the kernel ?
15:08<azeem>SJaak020: why does it need updating?
15:08<SJaak020>i am using an old one
15:08<azeem>which one?
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15:09<SJaak020>2.6.18-4-k7
15:09<azeem>SJaak020: so you're running stable?
15:09<SJaak020>no
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15:09<SJaak020>my system hangs after 10min.
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15:10<SJaak020>I connected a new keyboard and every time it hangs after 10min use
15:10<SJaak020>really odd
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15:11<azeem>SJaak020: what are you running?
15:11<SJaak020>debian
15:11<azeem>which version of Debian?
15:11<bernardo>where can i find a list of official debian repositories???
15:11<SJaak020>4.0
15:11<azeem>SJaak020: so stable
15:11<SJaak020>ow you mean like that :P
15:12<SJaak020>sorry
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15:12<sjm>enouf: 02:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6101 (rev b1)
15:12<SJaak020>I took it literally
15:12<azeem>SJaak020: "it" being the keyboard, or the whole computer?
15:12<azeem>as in "it hangs"
15:12<SJaak020>thw hole computer
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15:13<bernardo>where can i find a list of official debian repositories?
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15:13<dondelelcaro>!mirrors
15:13<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
15:13<Clumsy_Root>>_>
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15:13<Clumsy_Root>tried the channel on freenode, like it better here.
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15:15<bernardo>dondelelcaro: thanks
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15:18<skwarek_pl>witam wszystkich
15:19<bernardo>what is the difference between 'main' , 'contrib' and 'non-free' packages?
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15:21<dondelelcaro>bernardo: non-free don't meet DFSG, contrib require something that is not in main to run
15:21<nebiebie>HeLLo.. I need HLp confiGure my gUI. wHat to type in order to re-setup resoLution etc.?
15:22<streuner_>benardo: read DFSG
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15:23<streuner_>!dsfg
15:23<dpkg>Do you mean DFSG?
15:23<streuner_>!dfsg
15:23<dpkg>i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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15:50<sco50000>how do i get apache to use perl CGI?
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15:56<sjm>enouf: did you see my answer to your questoin?
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15:58<sjm>HennaX: Thanks for your information. I'm trying to follow this guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
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16:13<kop>I'm still trying to figure out how to install some non-free stuff (notibly the GFDL GNU docs) and keep them up to date without accidently installing other non-free stuff. When searching for packages in an "aptitude search" like manner is there any easy way to see what repo the package belongs in?
16:13<guillaume>how to stop "battery-stats-collector[4286]: apm_read failed with error code 1" in syslog ?
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16:34<guillaume>if I need to add alias to my alsa conf, do I have to set them at the end of /modeprobe.d/alsa-base ?
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17:06<scratch>hi all
17:07<scratch>who from russa?
17:07<tiCo>!ru
17:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
17:07<scratch>who from russia?)
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17:08<scratch>людиииии
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17:10<scratch>!help
17:11<scratch>who don't sleep?
17:11<azeem>scratch: either ask your question in english, or ask it in russian in #debian-russion on freenode
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17:16<guillaume>Need alsa help for adding support to my usb webcam microphone, I don't find modprobe.conf under testing... I need snd-usb-audio module I think
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17:20<azeem>guillaume: there's /etc/modprobe.d
17:21<guillaume>azeem: I take a look to alsa-base but can I add alias at the end of this file ?
17:21<azeem>dunno
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17:22<azeem>basically, you can do whatever you want in those files as long as it makes sense to modprobe/udev I guess
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17:22<azeem>not sure which file would be the appropriate one for your problem, though
17:22<pikapika>hi
17:22<guillaume>azeem: ok I 'll edit the file and see what's happenning :)
17:23<pikapika>i've got some problems on fonts and skins that looks blurry on a fresh install of an unstable
17:23<pikapika>both qt and gtk
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17:25<pikapika>i managed to get the font to normal by changing it to terminal, but skins look still strange
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17:26<scratch>tiCo, thx
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17:31<pikapika>doesn't seem to ring a bell to anyone :)
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18:09<scratch>TV-tuner Pinnacle PCTV (PCI) work in Debian?
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18:21<adolfo>alguien sabe como configurar apache2+php5+mysql ?
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18:25<seanius>!es
18:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:25<adolfo>gracias
18:25<seanius>de nada :)
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18:35<Lufkin>hellp?
18:35<Lufkin>hello*
18:35<Lufkin>can someone help m
18:35<Lufkin>e
18:36<Lufkin>i have debian lenny and i can't get the internet working
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18:37<seanius>Lufkin: you'll need to give a little more information
18:37<Lufkin>like what
18:38<Lufkin>its a netinstall
18:38<spq>the internet woring
18:38<Lufkin>iuts wired internet
18:38<Lufkin>i have a router
18:38<Lufkin>the cable going to the computer works fine
18:38<spq>so normal lan, with dhcp?
18:38<seanius>well, like what hardware you have, the error message if any, etc
18:38<Lufkin>yes
18:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
18:39<spq>so what does ifconfig give you (in a terminal)
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18:39<Lufkin>when i do the net install it trys to automaticaly configure dhcp but it can't get a response
18:39<spq>which nic? (network card)
18:39<Lufkin>someone was helping me last night but nothing worked
18:40<spq>so you do a netinstall and even that cant access the internet?
18:40<Lufkin>the card is an onboard eepro100
18:40<devil>Lufkin: is dhcp enabled in the router? did that work before?
18:40<Lufkin>yes
18:40<Lufkin>to devil
18:40<devil>k, ruled that out
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18:40<spq>how do you configure your win box?
18:40<Lufkin>what do you mean
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18:40<spq>give you a static ip?
18:41<Lufkin>no
18:41<Lufkin>its auto dhcp
18:41<spq>so you are sure dhcp really works?
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18:41<Lufkin>yes
18:41<spq>what does dmesg say about your nic?
18:41<spq>dmesg|grep eth
18:42<Lufkin>i have a old laptop and installed debian fine on it
18:42<Lufkin>hod on
18:42<seanius>dpkg tell Lufkin about paste
18:42<spq>he cant paste without network
18:42<seanius>indeed
18:42<Lufkin>using the same cables with the laptop
18:43<Lufkin>i am on a windows computer right now
18:43<spq>lufkin, it is most probably a non supported/bad supported nic
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18:43<Lufkin>its has a pentium 2 CPU
18:43<spq>you have to boot the netinstaller again and do some tests
18:44<spq>do you think that the cpu is in any relation to a non working nic? :)
18:44<spq>nic=network card
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18:44<seanius>you could also try a live cd from another distribution just to make sure it's not a debian-specific problem
18:44<Lufkin>the nic works fine i have had window 200 on it and the internet worked fone
18:44<Lufkin>fine*
18:45<Lufkin>2000*
18:45<shellclear>somebody can help with configuration of server HP 370 Proliant ML G3?
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18:45<shellclear>????
18:45<spq>we dont say the nic is broken, but probably just not (good) supported on that debian install disc
18:45<spq>shellclear, what do you want to configure?
18:45<seanius>!ask
18:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:46<shellclear>spq: necessary to configure this server to make RAID.
18:46<Lufkin>there is a manual for the computer i have here http://www.seanix.com/personal.asp
18:47<Lufkin>it has the nic in it i think
18:47<spq>software or hardware raid? if software, you dont have to do anything specially for your model, just normal linux software raid
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18:47<guillaume>Lufkin: can u post in pastebin the output of "sudo ifconfig" ?
18:47<shellclear>spq: Hardware
18:47<spq>if hardware raid, ther should be a bios extension and configuration utility
18:48<shellclear>spq: I am not obtaining for the BIOS
18:48<spq>configure that like you would if you run windows and linux should see this "virtual" disc and not the raw discs
18:48<guillaume>spq: hardware raid is not a good solution under linux no ?
18:48<spq>sure, why not?
18:48<Lufkin>ok i have an intel 82557
18:49<seanius>generally i prefer software raid to hardware raid unless i know the hardware to be of good quality
18:50<spq>hw raid is normalle faster
18:50<seanius>depends on the hardware
18:50<spq>-> normally
18:50<spq>hardware raid is rare
18:50<seanius>no, i'd say normally it's not
18:51<guillaume>spq: when you need to recover old conf, if you can't find solution, soft raid is more convinient
18:51<Lufkin>the nic that is on my computer is an intel 82557
18:51<spq>old conf?
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18:51<Lufkin>??
18:51<shellclear>ok, mas eu não estou conseguindo fazer RAID pelo meu Hardware. como eu faço?
18:52<guillaume>spq : old hardware raid card discontinued
18:52<shellclear>sorry
18:52<spq>seanius, hm, i only know hardware raid controllers with much ram which are expensive
18:52<shellclear>ok, but I am not obtaining to make RAID for my Hardware as I I make?
18:53<seanius>spq: okay, well if you don't count the majority of "hardware raid" out there, i.e. the crap that most consumers get stuck with, that's a different story
18:53<spq>seanius, those are software raid
18:53<shellclear>my server and HP Proliant ML370 G3
18:53<spq>they just have a windows driver
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18:53<shellclear>my server IS HP Proliant ML370 G3
18:53<spq>and a small bios config tool which can be read by the driver
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18:54<Lufkin>spq are you talking to me?
18:54<spq>shellclear, you want to access a bios feature on a running system, that can be possible but only with hp software/support
18:54<spq>lufkin, yes
18:54<spq>ah no lufkin
18:54<Lufkin>so my card won't work with debian
18:55<spq>lufkin, probably your card isnt supportd currently in the installer
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18:55<spq>you could try install a full debian (non netinstall) and install the driver there
18:55<Lufkin>the guy that i talked to last night said it was the eepro100 driver
18:56<spq>but you said it is the i82557
18:56<spq>ah, its the same :)
18:56<seanius>Lufkin: you could also try a live CD from another distro, like the ubuntu CD
18:56<spq>you have started the netinstall?
18:57<seanius>if it works with that and not with the netinstall cd then you know where the problem is :)
18:57<spq>seanius, or which hw raid do you mean?
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18:57<Lufkin>spq yes i just started it
18:57<seanius>spq: what most motherboards and cards of the shelf call hw raid sucks. if you call that sw raid then i don't press my argument
18:57<guillaume>shellclear: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/paksula/misc/debian_on_proliant.html
18:58<seanius>though i'd still opt for linux sw raid in most situations
18:58<seanius>unless that extra 10% performance (or whatever it is, i'd like to see a benchmark) really matters
18:58<spq>seanius, on linux you still need software raid on those cards
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18:59<spq>depending on the raid level, the cpu is used much for eg creating checksums or xor ing, so it is not onlya lower block i/o speed but also a higher cpu usage
19:00<seanius>spq i'm quite familiar with the situation
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19:02<burnclouds>hello
19:02<burnclouds>q
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19:03<FatalNIX>Hello
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19:04<Lufkin>spq: what do i have to do with the net install
19:05<FatalNIX>I'm having a slight problem I cannot seem to get rid of and google isnt really showing anything useful.
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19:06<spq>lufkin, look at ifcofnig, dmesg etc
19:06<lubos>what is the simplest way to create live cd from my debian installation ? thanks
19:07<lubos>is mklivecd what I'm looking for?
19:07<FatalNIX>I have apache2 installed on my debian etch server, and When I try to install libapache2-mod-php5 it goes through correctly, but when I type in a2enmod php5 it says it does not exsist, a quick ls /etc/apache2/mods-available | grep php shoes nothing.
19:08<FatalNIX>Oh yeah, i installed it with apt-get, and also tried with aptitude-
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19:09<FatalNIX>Ive been trying to figure this out all afternoon without luck:(
19:10<Lufkin>when i type ifconfig i don't get a ip or anything in eth0
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19:13<xctl>prob "ifconfig -a"
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19:13<FatalNIX>Yeah If I try to remove it it saus modules php5 doesnt exsist.
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19:14<seanius>FatalNIX: try a purge and reinstall of libapache2-mod-php5?
19:14<Lufkin>xctl no that didn't work eithe
19:14<Lufkin>r'
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19:15<xctl>then prob "ifconfig eth0 up" to start the etherport
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19:16<xctl>and then look again with "ifconfig -a"
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19:17<Lufkin>nope
19:18<FatalNIX> OMG thank you you are the bes seanius!
19:19<FatalNIX>best*
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19:21<xctl>use you kde???
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19:22<Lufkin>kde?
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19:22<xctl>or gnome --linux--
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19:24<xctl>Desktop Environment
19:25<FatalNIX>Simple Question- is it possible to install phpgroupware for php5? it trie sto install php4 instead as a dependancy, and I need php5 only functions for my sontent manager i am developing.
19:25<FatalNIX>content*
19:26<FatalNIX>Sorry for typos.
19:26<Lufkin>i can't get a desktop environment
19:27<xctl>ok
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19:30<Lufkin>i need the internet to get it
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19:31<Lufkin>if i download a full cd and not a net install would i be able to install a desktop environment and then install the netowrk drivers
19:32<xctl>witch networkcart have you???
19:33<Lufkin>cart?
19:33<Lufkin>card do you mean?
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19:33<Lufkin>i82557
19:33<xctl>oh sorry my english is not the best ;-)
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19:41<Lufkin>i have the i82557
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20:01<raz>hm.. is there a debian package that makes less intelligently handle compressed files (gzip, bzip) like on gentoo? on gentoo i can just type "less foo.bz2", on debian i have to use bzless...
20:04<dpalacio>raz: check lesspipe
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20:05<petemc>eval $(lesspipe)
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20:06<macDRE>hey- i'm banned under my normal ip address. how do i get unbanned?
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20:07<synspel-serv1>Hey folks
20:07<synspel-serv1>I just got xchat installed
20:07<synspel-serv1>Whee
20:07<synspel-serv1>Anyway
20:08<synspel-serv1>I need help with changing language
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20:08<synspel-serv1>Someone? Anyone?
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20:09<raz>thx , got it
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20:23<guillaume>I'm trying to make wok my usb webcam microphone under amsn 0.97, until now the mic is working perfectly under ekiga for example. At beginning I can't get any output from amsn but with aoss amsn it works. But I still have no input sound during visioconference. Any solution ?
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20:26<ryan_>what package do i install for qt3? im trying to use xconfig for the first time :P
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20:55<Sam_Sung>I pre-apologize for my noobness. I just did apt-get install firefox and it appears to have run fine from the root terminal
20:55<Sam_Sung>how do i use firefox now, i assumed it would be under internet heading
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20:57<panagos>hello, could somebody please explain to me how the DISPLAY variable is interpreted? for example, how can xlib find the server to connect to, only with the string ":0" ?
20:58<lupine_85>panagos: localhost is stuck on the beginning of it
20:58<panagos>lupine_85: and then?
20:58<lupine_85>and then it attempts to connect
20:58<lupine_85>either via a socket, or inet, connection
20:58<panagos>so ":0" means "127.0.0.1:0"?
20:59<Pryon>Sam_Sung: Is there an entry on that menu for the Iceweasel browser? If so, that's it.
20:59<panagos>right
20:59<lupine_85>panagos: with -no-local specified, it's /tmp/.X11-unix/X0
20:59<lupine_85>if you're connecting by inet, it's port 6601 or 6600 (I forget)
21:00<Sam_Sung>Pryon: I will check
21:01<Sam_Sung>Pryon: Thank you. sorry for bein such a noob :)
21:01<Sam_Sung>i was lookin for firefox
21:01<panagos>aha
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21:03<RIVE>Hello, good night.
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21:08<Jannita>RIVE, nite nite!
21:10<RIVE>Hi, Jannita :-)
21:10<Jannita>RIVE, I didn't notice where I was talking to you :P
21:11<RIVE>Neither do I.
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21:53<adolfo>hooola
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22:00<abinewbieDebian>Hi
22:00<adolfo>hola
22:01<adolfo>alguien sabe como configurar : Apache2+php5+mysql+phpmyadmin en debian ?
22:01<jello>!es
22:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:01<abinewbieDebian>Hello, does anybody know how to fix the abiword problem?the spell checking not work, it's gray
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22:02<adolfo>gracias, si entre a ese canal pero nadie contestaaaa
22:03<abinewbieDebian>I try to apt-get ispell aspell , and abiword's spell chacking still don't work,why?
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22:04<abinewbieDebian>Any body?
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22:06<gsimmons>abinewbieDebian: Did you also install a dictionary, such as 'aspell-en'?
22:08<adolfo>instale todo, sin embargo tengo dificultades para configurar para q funcione con php5
22:08<abinewbieDebian>Yes!aspell-en is install too
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22:11<gsimmons>!tell abinewbieDebian -about msg
22:12<abinewbieDebian>sorry
22:12<abinewbieDebian>gsimmons:Am' I need more configuration about abiword? where it's find out the spell checking tool?
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22:15<abinewbieDebian>I can run aspell in command line to spell check text file with out problem. so, the aspell is working.
22:15<abinewbieDebian>but in abiword, it just not work ,just gray,any suggestion?
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22:16<gsimmons>abinewbieDebian: Have you just installed the 'aspell-en' package? You'd need to restart Abiword.
22:17<abinewbieDebian>gsimmons:Yes, i install it and not just restart Abiword but my PC,it still don't work..
22:21<gsimmons>abinewbieDebian: No idea, installation of the 'aspell' package (along with a dictionary) should be all that's necessary. You can try asking in #abiword on irc.gnome.org.
22:22<abinewbieDebian>Ok,Thanks.
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22:36<digerati>ello :)
22:36<acutedeath>where should i buy a new desktop, low end, custom, with no OS or BS?
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22:56<mepis32>I can only seem to mount my thumb drive as root ... however I can mount any partion on my system as normal user because I modified sudoers
22:57<mepis32>the entries for the thumb drive and a hard disk partition are identical in fstab execpt for the dev name and mount point
22:59<mepis32>I don't think permission on the devices are a problem because a normal user is both a member of group and floppy
22:59<mepis32>Not sure where else to look ... grateful for any suggestions
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23:05<kapil>mepis32: any command you issue as "sudo cmd" should be run as root so your first line above is confusing
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23:06<mepis32>boy do I feel dumb thanks kapil
23:06<steveny>hi, can someone check this link http://www.linuxvideo.org/gatos/ I am getting an internet pharmacy there:(
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23:07<kapil>mepis32: you may want to have a look at "pmount" which avoids having to use "sudo".
23:08<mepis32>thanks kapil
23:08<kapil>steveny: seems like someone allowed their domain registration to lapse!
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23:09<steveny>kapril: so I can't get an accelerated x-server? I have to buy pills?:(
23:09<victor>i've downloaded a moive but the 'down them all" extension of iceweasel failed to join the 130+ chunks, how can they be joined manully?
23:10<kapil>steveny: perhaps after those pills any server will look accelerating (exhilarating?) :)
23:10<thepretender84>what is the difference between the iwl3945 and the ipw3945 drivers?
23:11<steveny>rim shot?....kapil:Thank you thank you, I'll be here all night...tip your waitstaff.....
23:11<kapil>steveny: did you try gatos.sf.net
23:12<steveny>ok, ty
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23:15<gsimmons>thepretender84: ipw3945 is deprecated in favour of iwlwifi. iwlwifi (which supports 3945ABG and 4965AGN chipsets) doesn't require a binary regulatory daemon for its operation.
23:16<thepretender84>i see
23:16<thepretender84>thanks
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23:27<freehat>Anybody good with ed or sed?
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23:46<Overfien1>anyone know where I can get an x86 Etch hard disk image suitable for use with QEMU?
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23:46<Overfien1>all I've been able to find on the net is sarge
23:46<Overfien1>and sarge's glibc is too old
23:46*Overfien1 scowls
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23:53<victor>how can I force a program to quit with a command line?
23:53<victor>I quitted iceweasel but a downloading extension won't stop.
23:53<Overfiend>do you mean "how can I force a program with a command line to quit"
23:53<Overfiend>?
23:53<Overfiend>oh
23:54<RIVE>ctrl+c
23:54<Overfiend>victor: use kill -SIG
23:54<Overfiend>victor: just a moment, wife hollering
23:54<Overfiend>you need to find its PID and send it a fatal signal
23:54<Overfiend>long story short
23:54<victor>how can I find its pid?
23:54<freehat>use top
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23:55<freehat>also, gnome and kde usually have a keyboard command to 'kill'
23:55<freehat>even xfce does.. I think
23:55<kapil>victor: you *could* use killall iceweasel --- but that will kill *all* iceweasels and conservations may get annoyed!
23:56<victor>I tried top, but can't recognize which one is the right one.
23:56<freehat>What desktop environment?
23:56<victor>gnome
23:56<freehat>ctrl + f3, click window ?
23:57<chealer>victor: you can use pidof
23:57<freehat>no,
23:57<freehat>ctrl+alt+esc
23:57<victor>freehat, no.
23:58<Overfiend>victor: Alt+F2, "xkill", click them misbehaving app
23:58<Overfiend>may not work, though
23:58<Overfiend>s/them/the/
23:58<Overfiend>otherwise you need to find mozilla-bin's process ID (PID) and signal it
23:58<freehat>that's a nerdy spelling correction
23:59<Overfiend>e.g., kill -TERM 12345
23:59<freehat>I'll have to start doing it like that.
23:59<Overfiend>freehat: yes, yes it is, and yes, yes you should
23:59<freehat>I was just here looking for help with sed
23:59<xemacs>pkill ice-weasel
23:59<Overfiend>xemacs: mozilla-bin.
23:59<victor>Overfiend, ok, get it. Thank you.
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