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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-01-25

---Logopened Fri Jan 25 00:00:38 2008
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00:03<kapil>LinuxMan23: install "apt-show-versions" and run "apt-show-versions | grep unstable". this will list the packages that you need to remove/replace.
00:04<LinuxMan23>i dont have apt-show-versions.... what package is that from?
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00:04<kapil>LinuxMan23: ^ read it again :)
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00:04*LinuxMan23 is an idiot
00:05<LinuxMan23>my bad sorry
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00:07<tmg1|chthulhu>I'm getting kernel oopses every couple of minutes, and pretty much all my applications, including dpkg are crashing... as far as I know I'm running mostly stable with a few things from testing; is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this?
00:09<Supaplex>!memtest86+
00:09<Supaplex>!memtest86
00:09<dpkg>memtest is, like, http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn>
00:09<tmg1|chthulhu>hm.. I have a copy of memtest, I thought I had checked that fairly recently but what the hell
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00:16<imperia>hi
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01:00<enouf>wha happen?
01:00<bartm>enouf, myon changed nick, and that caused a net split :)
01:00<enouf>heh, he had to move the mouse
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01:09<jule>hai
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01:15<xseries>hi
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01:16<minipie>does anyone know how to switch from a X server to a tty when the kernel panics?
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01:19<amphi>minipie: when the kernel panics, AFAIK it goes into a tight loop - you can't do anything but power cycle
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01:19<minipie>if im running in a X server when it panics, is there any way at all to get the information that would normally be printed to a tty?
01:20<minipie>is there a configuration option that would make it dump to the disk?
01:21<amphi>once it panics it would not write to the disk, I don't think - too dangerous
01:22<minipie>what about the serial port? could i get it to send it to a different computer?
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01:23<amphi>serial console?
01:23<niru>what is the language used in a .desktop.in file
01:24<niru>that we open using text editor
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02:23<Slydder>morning all
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02:40<Death_boy>âñåì äîáðîãî âðåìåíè ñóòîê
02:40<Death_boy>ïîäñêàæèòå ïëñ ãäå ìíå íàñòîèòü ìàðøðóòèçàöè
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02:41<Death_boy>è êàê íàñòðîòü ptpp&
02:41<teclo->hm this client doesn't know utf-8
02:41<teclo->all of that stuff shows as garbage
02:41<Death_boy>ok
02:42<teclo->others might read it though
02:42<devil>nah, no way
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02:42<teclo->right now I'm using irssi because I'm in a ssh, but xchat does support UTF-8, and I use x-chat too
02:42<devil>teclo-: konversation here with utf-8, still garbage
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02:42<Death_boy>do you speak rusian?
02:42<teclo->devil: ah, weird then
02:43<devil>Death_boy: nope
02:43<devil>!ru
02:43<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
02:43<teclo->the fellow appears to be from Ukraine, so he's using the cyrillic alphabet
02:43<devil>Death_boy: ^
02:43<Death_boy>:)
02:43<teclo->Not a difficult alphabet, less than 30 letters to my knowledge
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02:44<teclo->Not like thai or arabic for instance
02:44<teclo->or japanese
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02:44<devil>teclo-: german is difficult with less than 30 ;)
02:44<devil>hungarian even worse
02:45<mc>letters aint the problem anyway
02:45<mc>usually grammar is
02:45<mc>and now let us get started with fincrypt and 16 cases
02:45<devil>yep, and where the lang is rooted
02:46<devil>well, that explains some things in finland... ;)
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02:55<max>no :]
02:56<max>Iam the hacker
02:56<max>:d wieczorami po kolacji hackuje petango
02:56<max>n
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03:06<chandu_>Hi
03:06<chandu_>I am trying to compile the kernel with the new driver source "aarahci" added into the kernel
03:06<chandu_>I have added that source under drivers/scsi/aarahci folder
03:07<max>hmmm
03:07<chandu_>when I do "make menuconfig" , I am not getting the option for "AARAHCI" to select as a module
03:07<max>s created on 9 maj 2007 06:06:50.
03:07<max>[08:55] <max> no :]
03:07<max>[08:56] <max> Iam the hacker
03:07<max>[08:56] <max> :d wieczorami po kolacji hackuje petango
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03:07<max>[08:56] <max> n
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03:07<chandu_>can anyone please guide me ..what may be the worng
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03:08<max>[09:06] <chandu_> Hi
03:08<max>[09:06] <chandu_> I am trying to compile the kernel with the new driver source "aarahci" added into the kernel
03:08<max>[09:06] <chandu_> I have added that source under drivers/scsi/aarahci folder
03:08<max>[09:07] <max> hmmm
03:08<max>s created on 9 maj 2007 06:06:50.
03:08<blarson>!ops max is slow-pasting to the channel
03:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: blarson complains about: max is slow-pasting to the channel
03:08<max>[08:55] <max> no :]
03:09<max>[08:56] <max> Iam the hacker
03:09<max>[08:56] <max> :d wieczorami po kolacji hackuje petango
03:09<max>[08:56] <max> n
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03:09<RichiH>heh
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03:09<Nemoder>chandu_: does the driver source not have any install documentation with it?
03:09<blayde>is something wrong with max?
03:09<RichiH>max: type /flushq
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03:09<max>[09:06] <chandu_> Hi
03:09-!-mode/#debian [+b max!*@*] by RichiH
03:10<yhlfh>max: ?
03:10<@RichiH>max: please tell me once your flodding is over and i can unban you :)
03:10<@RichiH>max: i suggest /flushq or /cycle
03:10<@RichiH>well, /cycle won't work
03:10-!-mode/#debian [-o RichiH] by RichiH
03:10<petemc>very diplomatic
03:10<RichiH>but yah, just poke me
03:11<blayde>so anyways, are 'Treason uncloaked' messages in dmesg bad?
03:11<petemc>no
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03:12<blayde>it's weird cause my servers been randomly crashing and that's the only weird thing i can find...
03:12<blayde>and i like to say the word weird
03:12<chandu_>max, Hi
03:12<chandu_>Nemoder, I dont want to install it
03:13<chandu_>Nemoder, I have the kernel source ..I have placed this new driver source into the drivers/scsi folder
03:13<chandu_>Nemoder, Now I want to build the kernel ,
03:13<chandu_>Nemoder, For that I am doing "make menuconfig"
03:13<Nemoder>chandu_: the documentation should tell you how to compile it properly
03:13<chandu_>Nemoder, for creating .config file
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03:14<chandu_>Nemoder,I am not able to fine , the newly added driver option in the make menuconfig ..I want that option to be selected as a module
03:14<chandu_>Nemoder, I know the compilation steps ..but I am not getting the newly added driver entry in menuconfig
03:15<Nemoder>I don't think drivers that are not shipped with the kernel will show up there
03:15<chandu_>Nemoder, oh
03:16<Nemoder>perhaps it is possible to add it but I don't know how
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03:27<morgan`>hello
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03:28<KCYNICE>hello
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03:40<eldowan>are there any mencoder knowledgable users around#mplayer is currently dead
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04:07<JustSoul>Hello, How to check, what module is using for my ethernet card?
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04:10<chandu_>JustSoul, Copy the "lspci -n" output into the text box provided in the following link "http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/" and click on "check" button
04:10<chandu_>JustSoul, Its shows you the driver for your Ethernet controller
04:10<JustSoul>thx
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04:14<JustSoul>chandu_: is it possible, that for D-Lint ethernet is used via-rhine-III module?
04:14<JustSoul>*D-link
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04:42<hypnotic>hi everybody, i have 2 pcs with debian lenny and both will crash kde on wine startup, is this a familiar problem?
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04:51<padski>hypnotic, no, but the only desktop I run lenny on is a g4. do you get a backtrace ? does google turn up anything ?
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04:54<ag3r>hi ubuntu channel?
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04:55<padski>!ubuntu
04:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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04:56<ag3r>hi
04:56<ag3r>someone help me to install tar.gz files
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04:56<padski>!tell ag3r about ubuntu
04:56<SpeedyG>install?
04:56<ag3r>yep
04:56<tmg1|chthulhu>ag3r: which ones?
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04:57<ag3r>the ./configure
04:57<ag3r>command
04:57<ag3r>don t do anything
04:57<ag3r>and theres no install folder
04:57<ag3r>¬¬
04:57<tmg1|chthulhu>oh; for anyone interested -- my cpu heat sink was a dust-cube. I'm noticing symptoms above (everything segfaulting, kernel oops) are occurring only when cpu temp is above 70 degrees celsius. I'm keeping a close eye on temperatures now
04:58<tmg1|chthulhu>(and I dusted off my computer's internals)
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04:58<hypnotic>hi there, if I start wine of google earth (and same thing happened for amarok couple of days ago) kde restarts (using debian lenny)
04:58<tmg1|chthulhu>ag3r: what tarball is this? and what is your current working directory? and files are in that directory?
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04:58<tmg1|chthulhu>hypnotic: nothing else randomly restarts wine for you?
04:58<tmg1|chthulhu>that you know of?
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04:59<ag3r>im workn in a download directory inside my /home/user
04:59<ag3r>and the tarball is a wmware workstation
04:59<hypnotic>itrs not wine that restarts but kde
04:59<ag3r>donwloaded by pirate bay
04:59<Torsten_W>ag3r, this is a binary
04:59<ag3r>ter.gz
04:59<ag3r>tar.gz
04:59<Torsten_W>ag3r, this is not an source
04:59<ag3r>...
04:59<Torsten_W>ag3r, there is a install-script inside
04:59<ag3r>okey
04:59<hypnotic>google earth and wine
04:59<ag3r>how i can install it?
05:00<ag3r>install-script?
05:00<hypnotic>amarok did the same but after removing amarokrc problem was solved
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05:00<Torsten_W>hypnotic, there is a linux-binary of googleearth
05:00<tmg1|chthulhu>ag3r: if it's an install-script, run it( by typing the name of the script, while being in the directory with the script in it. If it does not run, try 'chmod 755', and then try to run it
05:00<chealer>ag3r: if you're not using Debian, don't ask here.
05:00<hypnotic>thats what i am using yes
05:00<Torsten_W>hypnotic, reinstall your graphics driver
05:00<hypnotic>good thinking ;)
05:00<ag3r>chealer:
05:00<hypnotic>ofcourse
05:00<ag3r>buy a friend men
05:01<tmg1|chthulhu>Torsten_W: even if there is a linux-binary, it shouldn't restart kde should it?
05:01<ag3r>theres no people at ubuntu
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05:01<Torsten_W>tmg1|chthulhu, it should, if there was an x-org update
05:01<hypnotic>can u reccomened 100,14.19 or 169.x?
05:01<Torsten_W>hypnotic, what card?
05:01<hypnotic>nvidia 7600gt agp
05:01<hypnotic>i have the former now
05:02<Torsten_W>hypnotic, u can use both
05:02<tmg1|chthulhu>ag3r: there's always people at ubuntu. It's a commercial enterprise, isn't it?
05:02<hypnotic>ok ill try the newest one
05:02<hypnotic>thanx
05:03<Torsten_W>ag3r, if u are not blind, u should see the install script, inside of the extracted folder vmware-blablubb
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05:03<ag3r>Torsten_W:
05:03<ag3r>i'll look at that
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05:04<ag3r>and theres 2 people at ubuntu
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05:04<ag3r>and 1 is me
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05:04<gsimmons>ag3r: You're likely joining the channel on the wrong network. You'd want #ubuntu at irc.freenode.net.
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05:04<devil>ag3r: well, ubuntu is a very small distribution... ;)
05:04<ag3r>okei
05:04<nekys> hi ppl good morning
05:04<ag3r>thx people
05:04<ag3r>:D
05:05<nekys>i need help its really important, can i ask?
05:05<gsimmons>!ask
05:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:06<nekys>ok I upgraded kernel and after that machine gone dead, doesnt boot- in fact boots in sth like busybox
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05:07<Torsten_W>nekys, u forgot the initrd?
05:07<nekys>i want previous kernel back - thats the only solution i can figure out so i changed lilo to see the .old images
05:07<nekys>well i am not that experienced in problems :)
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05:08<nekys>well pointinh lilo to old images doesnt worked out so i uninstalled kernel and the previous kernel that worked and reinstalled previous via chroot
05:08<hypnotic>tmg1: that did the trick :D
05:08<nekys>well i get many errors about mount like "cant open /dev/root
05:09<nekys>can somebody help me? i am desperate
05:09<nekys>and desperate and noob
05:09<nekys>lethal combination :)
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05:10<fenix86>giorno a tutti ...
05:10<hypnotic>tmg1|chthulhu: i got 1 error message that libglx somewhere in usr/bin/..... (i think) was not a symbolic link, is that gonna be a problem?
05:12<nekys>has anybody tought of something? :(
05:12<nekys>please? :D
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05:16<tmg1|chthulhu>nekys: how old is this install you're talking about? I thought use of lilo was depreciated?
05:16<tmg1|chthulhu>in any case, not too important
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05:17<tmg1|chthulhu>did you try running /sbin/lilo after you installed the new kernel?
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05:17<tmg1|chthulhu>worst case scenario, trying to uninstall, and install lilo from aptitude/dselect(that's how I'd do it if I were a noober)
05:17<nekys>i am running etch
05:18<nekys>and i run lilo after new kernel
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05:18<tmg1|chthulhu>and lilo doesn't give you any errors?
05:18<nekys>but how about mount error?
05:18<nekys>not only /dev/root
05:18<tmg1|chthulhu>hypnotic: it's just not a symbolic link?
05:18<tmg1|chthulhu>or doesn't exist at all?
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05:20<nekys>except reinstalling lilo
05:20<nekys>what else to do?
05:21<tmg1|chthulhu>there's got to be a setting in like lilo.conf or whatever the equivilent of menu.lst is. It's been years since I've dealt with lilo. you could also try uninstalling lilo and running grub(another noob suggestion)
05:21<nekys>yep me too, that is /etc/lilo.conf
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05:23<nekys>how can i enable lan connection in chroot?
05:23<tmg1|chthulhu>yhuh?
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05:24<tmg1|chthulhu>restate that last question
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05:30<Slydder>hey. anyone actually got gnome2 transparent? am looking at openbox but want to stay with gnome.
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05:51<andsIBEX>hello
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05:52<Mike_>How to add some lines to the end of file in bash?
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05:52<daft>I have a problem with the java plugin for iceweasel. /usr/lib/mozilla/libjavaplugin.so exists but no java in browser
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05:53<tmg1|chthulhu>Mike_: as in, "cat something >> filename;" ?
05:53<tmg1|chthulhu>or internal to bash itself? or?
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05:53<tmg1|chthulhu>daft: is this the plugin in the distro itself or a plugin from sun?
05:54<daft>sun java6 nonfree
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05:54<azeem>daft: what does about:plugins say?
05:54<daft>shockwave only
05:55<daft>i also tryed update-alternatives --config java
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05:56<Mike_>tmg1|chthulhu: It's write: there is no such file or direcory
05:57<Mike_>tmg1|chthulhu: "cat: 'my text': No such file or directory
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05:57<tmg1|chthulhu>bah
05:57<hypnotic>tmg1|chthulhu: the nvidia installers says its not a symbolic link, it doesnt break the installation and everything seems to work properly
05:57<tmg1|chthulhu>I mean echo. echo
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05:58<tmg1|chthulhu>Mike_: echo "some\
05:58<tmg1|chthulhu>lines" >> some file
05:58<c>hi, if i use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will it maintain all my current config settings?
05:58<tmg1|chthulhu>?
05:58<tmg1|chthulhu>hypnotic: you got me
05:58<tmg1|chthulhu>*shrugt
05:58<Mike_>tmg1|chthulhu: thx
05:58<tmg1|chthulhu>Mike_: anything else?
05:58<Mike_>tmg1|chthulhu: yes, pls, how to delete them =)
05:59<tmg1|chthulhu>delete files?
05:59<Mike_>no, lines
05:59<tmg1|chthulhu>oh
05:59<hypnotic>tmg1|chthulhu: well i just see untill i get problems again, and do a reinstall then
05:59<tmg1|chthulhu>probably using sed
05:59<tmg1|chthulhu>uhh
05:59<hypnotic>thanx for the help
05:59<hypnotic>i'm off now
05:59<hypnotic>bye bye
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06:01<Mike_>tmg1|chthulhu: no need, i'm just make a backup of File =)
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06:02<daft>Oke i now symlinked ln -s /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins
06:03<daft>ofc restarted iceweasel and no java :/
06:03<daft>COCK :/
06:03<c>hi, if i use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will it maintain all my current config settings?
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06:03<tmg1|chthulhu>daft: cock?
06:04<tmg1|chthulhu>!repeat
06:04<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
06:07<kapil>c: each time dpkg wants to change or replace a conffile that you edited it will prompt you. perhaps this answers your question.
06:07<kapil>c: this only holds for system conffiles of course.
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06:08<c>great - I need to reinstall everything on my server and was recommended to use dist-upgrade instead as its a fairly old server. but i need to make sure that when the packages re-install that all my config settings fro everything are maintained
06:09<kapil>c: make a backup first and always. best of luck.
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06:10<c>a backup of my config files in /etc?
06:10<kapil>c: note that preserving some conffiles *could* cause the newer programs to work improperly. the files will be kept with names like *.dpkg-{new,dist,old}.
06:11<padski>can't remember the name ... auto-packager does it at install time ?
06:12<kapil>c: yes, at least backup the files in /etc.
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06:15<c>ah ok so the dist-upgrade will 'put aside' config files that are not 'compatible' with the updated version of the packages?
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06:18<kapil>c: not automatically. you will be prompted and will need to make a "judicious" choice each time. however, in either case the other conffile will be kept as well with the name extended as explained above.
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06:19<kapil>c: after completing the upgrade you must go through your conffiles (find /etc -name '*.dpkg-*' or some such) and clean up as appropriate.
06:19<kapil>c: it is as automatic as it can be given that new versions of software has new bugs (which are also sometimes called features :) )
06:21<kapil>c: on the whole it works quite well. have done an upgrade too many times to count and have not suffered any serious problems.
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06:23<c>so i shouldn't have to worry too much then ;-)
06:24<c>ie: backup my configs from /etc, then do the dist-update and then check everything works as normal and clean up the old config files from /etc
06:24<kapil>c: that's about it.
06:25<kapil>c: and the backup of /etc is useful in case you remove a *.dpkg-old too soon and discover a problem later.
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06:28<c>great
06:28<c>thanks
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06:28<c>out of interest, is there a way to reinstall the same versions of all the packages i have instead of updating to the latest versions?
06:29<c>...without having to go through and do each one individually
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06:30<kapil>c: why do you want to re-install the same versions. very confusing!
06:32<c>well the server works nicely with all the versions i have at the moment - instead of risk trouble of things not working when i update, can i re-install the current versions of all packages. oh the reason is due to a hacked server so i need to re-install all packages to ensure its not been compromised
06:33<sep>!reinstall
06:33<dpkg>methinks reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>.
06:33<kapil>c: ok. your problem is different from the one i thought. so you want to re-install each and every one of the packages on your system? look at the answer given by dpkg.
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06:34<kapil>thx sep.
06:34<c>ah ok
06:35<c>..so that WILL just reinstall the current versions of all my packages? ...is this the best precaution to take since the server has been hacked?
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06:36<Graveworm>Hi all! Just a short question. Where does kde store its file associations for konqueror (submenu)? Not the user specific settings (action) but the global setting?
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06:40<kapil>c: cant really give a definite answer. depends on the extent of the take-over. if you believe that the *only* files changed are those installed by default on the system then what you are doing may be enough. but the root-kit and stuff could be anywhere ...
06:42<c>well as far as i could tell the server was only hacked and used for ssh password cracking - as far as i know, so i figured the best precaution would be to reinstall all my current packages, and tighten my ssh security etc
06:42<kapil>c: if you have a spare machine then try to clone your machine and then copy over the config files one by one, checking each one. no short cuts unfortunately :-(
06:42<kapil>!aptitude clone
06:42<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>.
06:42<c>hmm yea i dont have a spare machine!
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06:46<tmg1|chthulhu>ooh that's handy
06:50<kapil>c: given your situtation i hereby heap some more "best of luck" wishes on you :-)
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06:51<c>thanks. well i'm gonna try and see what happens!
06:51<kapil>c: we did face a similar situation a long time ago and did the re-install. as soon as we could replace the server by cloning we did that.
06:52<c>yea. ideally i cant spend much time on this and need to keep the server as operational as possible the whole time as it is also the email and web server for a media company
06:53<kapil>c: i.e. first the re-install as a temporary measure and later the clone.
06:53<c>ok. sounds like a good plan. i dont know how i will cone the server tho without another to clone it to?
06:54<c>i have just made backups of the home, var and etc folders so all the information is maintained if anything goes wrong!
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07:32<c>is there a way to get my server to email me the ssh user access logs? so i can monitor what users have logged in.
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07:37<gsimmons>c: Software such as 'logcheck' or 'log2mail', once configured, should be able to do this for you. I'd imagine there are others.
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07:56<reto>hi, ot question, what does sound more natural: "We've finally got around to preparing" or "We've finally got around preparing"
07:57<reto>...
07:58<cahoot>the last one sounds like evasion
07:59<cahoot>(NB english is not my lang)
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08:00<reto>it is evasion ;)
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08:09<iury>hello...
08:10<iury>when i upgrade from etch to lenny
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08:10<iury>entries @ grup.list
08:10<iury>are made automaticaly?
08:10<noflash>!etch->lenny
08:10<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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08:21<Baggy2>Where can one find video drivers for national scx200, it seems it is not included in the kernel config..
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08:39<Saela>hi there people
08:39<knoppix__>hi:)
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08:39<evilbelgian>bleh rp name was using
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08:40<Guest532>sorry,i'm new
08:40<evilbelgian>i'm installing debian for the first time on my one of my machines
08:40<evilbelgian>my laptop :P
08:40<Guest532>i'm using it on a desktop
08:40<sheldonh>evilbelgian: hopefully an old laptop
08:41<evilbelgian>its about three years old
08:41<Guest532>do you know how to configure the net?
08:41<evilbelgian>i only use it for word processing and stuff like that
08:41<Guest532>on knoppix?
08:41<evilbelgian>configure net, that would be a no
08:41<Guest532>thx
08:41<Guest532>where are you from?
08:42<evilbelgian>come on read my nick you can figure it out
08:42<noflash>Guest532, try #knoppix on irc.freenode.net
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08:42<Guest532>aaa...
08:42<Guest532>i'm romanian
08:43<evilbelgian>lol
08:43<Guest532>and i'm tired of windows
08:43<Guest532>just trying something else...
08:43<Guest532>:)
08:43<evilbelgian>good luck
08:43<rojo>anyone ever used the "aclexec" directive in hosts.allow? I can't get mine ever to deny anyone.
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08:44<rojo>is this the appropriate place to ask such things?
08:44<Guest532>sorry
08:44<evilbelgian>are there any things i should know before continuing on my expedition into debian
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08:45<noflash>evilbelgian, debian.org/doc the installation manual and the reference are both good :)
08:45<rojo>evilbelgian: yeah. Don't be surprised when your operating system drives your hardware. In the Windows world it's pretty much the other way around.
08:45<poppen>Anyone here who could help me with torubleshooting my internetsharing problem?
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08:46<rojo>evilbelgian: in other words, Debian doesn't require 4 gigs of RAM, a dual-core processor, and so forth. (:
08:46<evilbelgian>rojo: i take it by that you mean that my laptop will seem a bit faster on its feet than it used to be
08:46<rojo>exactly
08:46<evilbelgian>yay
08:46<gsimmons>poppen: You'll need to describe your problem before anyone can render assistance.
08:46<poppen>ok
08:46<evilbelgian>my old little p4 will be good again
08:46<tmg1|chthulhu>rojo: yes, apropriate, no, I don't know
08:47<rojo>tmg1|chthulhu: cool. I'll explain more after I get off the phone.
08:47<tmg1|chthulhu>evilbelgian: how much information you can gleam out of your windows system information(right click on my computer, I think), ie hardware
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08:48<evilbelgian>tmg1|chthulhu: are you asking me the specs of my main system
08:48<tmg1|chthulhu>evilbelgian: no
08:49<poppen>The thing is that im trying to share my internet connection through my computer to another, ive set iptables in /etc/network/if-up.d/ now i think ive set up the ip adresses and all correctly but im not sure. in other words, my other computer cant still access internet
08:49<tmg1|chthulhu>I'm saying, don't be surprised if somewhere down the line you wish you would have taken them down :)
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08:50<evilbelgian>lol, my main pc which is still running windows, is an amd athlong 64 x2 6000+ with 2gigs of ddr2 800 ram and an ATI rx1950 pro series
08:50<poppen>ive set the ip adress on my computers lan card to 192.168.0.1 and default subnet, and my other computers ip to 192.168.0.2 and gateway and DNS 192.168.0.1
08:50<poppen>is it correct?
08:50<evilbelgian>i would never want to lower its specs
08:50<evilbelgian>athlon*
08:50<tmg1|chthulhu>poppen: is the computer you're trying to share with acting as a server, or just a client for it's connections?
08:50<poppen>anyone have any clue what might be wrong
08:51<tmg1|chthulhu>ie what is the network topology?
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08:51<gsimmons>poppen: Have you enabled IP forwarding on 192.168.0.1?
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08:51<poppen>not sure if i understand you fully there but, the computer sharing is a "normal" computer with one eth0(wan) and eth1(lan)
08:52<poppen>gsimmons how do i do that... :S
08:52<evilbelgian>umm what is grub bootloader and should i let it install
08:52<poppen>didnt read anything about that in the tutorials
08:52<rojo>evilbelgian: let it install. Debian won't boot without a bootloader.
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08:53<gsimmons>poppen: Using Etch? "editor /etc/sysctl.conf", uncomment the relevant packet forwarding line(s), save the file, execute "sysctl -p" to apply your changes.
08:53<evilbelgian>that went fast
08:53<evilbelgian>like 10 minutes
08:54<evilbelgian>and here i thought i'd be busy all afternoon
08:54<donny__>hi all. i asked about this previously, but i've combed through sshd_config and found no mention of any relevant option as someone suggested i do. my problem is that i cannot create a reverse tunnel that is accessible over the network (that is, i can only open a connection on the tunnel from the system the tunnel is created on, but i'd like to also connect to it from other systems on my lan) any help?
08:54<poppen>gsimmons yes
08:54<poppen>ill try that
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08:55<rojo>tmg1|chthulhu: So anyway, please don't ask why, but I'm trying to make tcpwrappers accept / deny connections based on a DNSBL query. According to the documentation, the aclexec directive should be used as follows... Sec, lemme answer donny.
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08:55<rojo>donny__: so, you're trying to connect to a VPN, and while you're connected, the VPN replaces your default route and makes your LAN inaccessible. Right?
08:56<rojo>or not.
08:56<poppen>gsimmons do i need to reboot? or is it on right a way?
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08:56<gsimmons>!reboot
08:56<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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08:56<gsimmons>poppen: No. "sysctl -p" will suffice.
08:56<poppen>ah ok
08:57<poppen>now lets see if it will work
08:57<donny__>rojo: no, it's simpler than that. i need to get behind my work's firewall to work from home. so i created a reverse tunnel to a system at my home with ssh -R but the problem is that i can only connect to the tunnel from that one system, it refuses connection attempts from other systems on my LAN
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08:58<poppen>still doesnt work :(
08:58<poppen>DNS error
08:59<poppen>any other ideas?
08:59<poppen>did i put the iptable thing in the right place? /etc/network/if-up.d/
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09:00<rojo>donny__: I think I need a flowchart to understand. Sorry.
09:00<gsimmons>poppen: Please provide your iptables configuration and the contents of /etc/network/interfaces at a paste site.
09:00<donny__>:\
09:00<gsimmons>!paste
09:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:01<poppen>ty ill do that, sec
09:01<rojo>tmg1|chthulhu: So anyway, please don't ask why, but I'm trying to make tcpwrappers accept / deny connections based on a DNSBL query. According to the documentation, the aclexec directive should be used as follows: sshd : ALL : aclexec /path/to/checkdnsbl %a
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09:02<jairek>http://www.vodnazona.com - Aqua World
09:02<rojo>tmg1|chthulhu: where the connection is denied if checkdnsbl exits with status 1, or is allowed if checkdnsbl exit 0
09:02<rojo>is that right?
09:03<poppen>this is me iptable
09:03<poppen>http://paste.debian.net/47675
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09:04<poppen>this is my network interfaces
09:04<poppen>http://paste.debian.net/47676
09:05<poppen>any ideas?
09:07<gsimmons>poppen: You don't have "eth0" defined in your interfaces configuration. Your iptables script expects two interfaces for its use.
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09:07<bjoern1102>Sry, How can I change the Icon of the bin?
09:07<poppen>i just saw that, why isnt it on there then?
09:07<poppen>i can se it in KDE networkmanager
09:08<bjoern1102>I'm using GNOME
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09:09<poppen>and my internet connection is working through the eth0
09:09<poppen>anything i can do to fix?
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09:12<poppen>gsimmons you have any fix? :/
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09:14<rojo>tmg1|chthulhu: I take your silence to mean I'm correct. If you're curious to see, my checkdnsbl script I wrote is pasted at http://rafb.net/p/hV0usZ79.html -- but I don't think the problem is with the script. It works smashingly. The problem is, even if I create a script and all it does is "exit 1" or "false && exit" or any sort of non-zero exit code, tcpwrappers still allows the connection. I know sshd is built with tcpwrappers ...
09:14<rojo>... support, as I can deny myself access via explicit definition. It's aclexec that seems not to do what the man page for hosts_options indicates.
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09:15<gsimmons>poppen: Please provide the contents received for "ipconfig -a" and "route -n" at a paste site.
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09:17<poppen>ipconfig command not found :S
09:17<evilbelgian>how do i install the other disks
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09:18<evilbelgian>do i need to boot them aswell
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09:18<rojo>poppen: gsimmons probably meant "ifconfig" rather than "ipconfig"
09:18<poppen>ok
09:18<poppen>route -n http://paste.debian.net/47679
09:18<gsimmons>poppen: It's in /sbin, along with route.
09:18<gsimmons>poppen: I'm sorry, that's actually "ifconfig".
09:19<poppen>ifconfig -a http://paste.debian.net/47680
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09:20<benneben>debian etch has no /etc/network/interfaces anymore, is it a different way to set a static IP now? or do I have to create an interfaces-file myself?
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09:21<rojo>anyone else ever successfully use the aclexec directive in hosts.allow? I seem to have run tmg1|chthulhu off :(
09:22<poppen>gsimmons getting any wiser of my problem?
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09:27<evilbelgian>hi guys
09:27<evilbelgian>can you pls tell me how i install the second, third, fourth etc disks for debian
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09:28<witte>evilbelgian: why would you
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09:28<witte>evilbelgian: install only the packages that you need with apt-get, and it will ask you for the cd where it is on
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09:29<benneben>debian etch has no /etc/network/interfaces anymore, is it a different way to set a static IP now? or do I have to create an interfaces-file myself?
09:29<evilbelgian>ok
09:29<evilbelgian>what is aptget
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09:29<poppen>gsimmons you have any solution?
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09:29<witte>evilbelgian: but if you have a good internetconnection, it is probably better to just download the latest version instead from the web
09:29<benneben>evilbelgian: http://doc.nl.linux.org/GUIDE/debian-tutorial-nl/apt-usage.html
09:30<poppen>or do i need to ask someone else
09:30<witte>benneben: maybe you should have provided a french version?
09:30<evilbelgian>internet = crap
09:31<evilbelgian>benneben, english version would be better
09:31<evilbelgian>i may be belgian but i haven't lived there long enough to prefer using english
09:32<witte>evilbelgian: do you have a graphic desktop environment?
09:32<benneben>sorry, presumed you were flemmish cause i am (lazy brain ;))
09:32<evilbelgian>witte yes
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09:32<witte>evilbelgian: open up synaptic
09:32<witte>evilbelgian: it is a graphic frontend of apt-get which is the tool to install programs on debian
09:33<witte>evilbelgian: you do not want to install the complete debian on any system
09:33<witte>evilbelgian: it is just to big :-)
09:33<gsimmons>poppen: Patience is a virtue. Your configuration AFAICT looks valid (eth0 is provided by your network manager, so that's fine). Unless you have a DNS server in operation on 192.168.1.1, your clients shouldn't be using this host for DNS resolution. Use your ISP's nameservers instead.
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09:34<evilbelgian>lol ok
09:34<benneben>witte: you have any experience with a clean etch installation?
09:34<poppen>hm ok ill try that, and as gateway i still should use 192.168.1.1 on the client right?
09:35<witte>benneben: not really (i use testing or sid usually), but just ask,
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09:35<benneben>debian etch has no /etc/network/interfaces anymore, is it a different way to set a static IP now? or do I have to create an interfaces-file myself?
09:35<gsimmons>poppen: The gateway IP is fine.
09:35<poppen>ok
09:35<witte>benneben: it should have an interfaces file
09:35<benneben>nope it doesn't
09:36<witte>benneben: well, I guess you should make one in that case
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09:36<benneben>K, will try
09:36<evilbelgian>is open office installed by default
09:37<themill>benneben: have you completed the installation?
09:37<witte>benneben: you have a template available?
09:37<poppen>it works!
09:37<themill>!tell benneben about interfaces
09:37<witte>evilbelgian: try it?
09:37<poppen>it worked when using the ISP nameserver as DNS
09:37<witte>evilbelgian: otherwise, install it using synaptic
09:37<poppen>thank you very much gsimmons!
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09:39<gsimmons>poppen: np. You might also be interested in the 'dnsmasq' package (a combined DHCP/DNS server) in the event you have more than a few clients to serve.
09:39<poppen>ok
09:39<poppen>ill look in to that
09:39<poppen>thank you
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09:43<cmot>Yodel all!
09:43<cmot>Any scsi/initramfs guru here?
09:43<azeem>please don't cross-post
09:44<cmot>How do I get initramfs (initramfs-tools/testing, kernel from stable or testing, doesn't seem to matter) to generate my scsi devices in a consistent order?
09:44<cmot>there are 2 controllers in there
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09:44<cmot>azeem, its OT in the other channel, re-thought... sorry
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09:46<Abiectum>hello
09:46<Abiectum>anyone can help ?
09:47<Abiectum>with wi fi ???
09:47<Abiectum>:>
09:47<Knorrie->!anyone
09:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:48<Knorrie->or something like that :)
09:48<Knorrie->what's the problem Abiectum ?
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09:48<Abiectum>nice :>
09:48<Abiectum>I'm let say newbie in Debian :>
09:49<Abiectum>and after two days fighting with debian :> I have no idea how to instal my wireless card
09:49<gsimmons>Abiectum: What is your wireless device?
09:49<Abiectum>5005G
09:50<azeem>Abiectum: run "lspci | grep Network" and paste the output
09:50<Abiectum>huh for that I need to wait :> after last try my debian die...
09:50<Abiectum>and now new instalation is going :P
09:50<azeem>then it's pretty difficult to help you, no?
09:51<Abiectum>ok ok I will back in 43 min :>
09:51<Abiectum>btw I was install... some madwifi
09:52<Abiectum>and I found card... but WPA didn't work :>
09:52<gsimmons>Abiectum: Did you install a WPA supplicant at the time?
09:53<Abiectum>yes .. few times.. :> (I reinstal debian 10 times last 48 h..) and probably that is to smart for me :>
09:53<Abiectum>and I'm here
09:54<themill>Abiectum: a reinstall is almost never necessary. Please leave your dirty windows habits at the door. :)
09:54<Abiectum>aye aye sir :>
09:55<Abiectum>huh and now I need to learn english also :>
09:55<Abiectum>that will be chalange...
09:55<Abiectum>:P
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09:57<DTE>hi all
09:57<padski>is there a 4G file size limit on ext3 ?
09:57<padski>hi
09:57<Gathond>padski: no
09:57<Gathond>padski: at least not on recent versions, older ext2 filesystems might have one
09:58<Gathond>or ext2 filesystems upgraded to ext3
09:58<themill>Abiectum: Please stick to the channel and ask your questions here. /msg bots not people
09:58<Gathond>although I would expect that limit to be at 2G not 4 G
09:58<DTE>is there anybody using amd64? i need to see if just my installation is wrong
09:58<Gathond>padski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
09:58<padski>Inode size: 128
09:59<Abiectum>:P
09:59<jairek>http://www.vodnazona.com
09:59<Gathond>DTE: yes I do
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10:00<DTE>ahh..no sorry...i just inverted two servers :-P
10:00<hathe|>even for ext2 the file size limit is min 16GiB fi 1KiB block size...
10:00<Gathond>hathe|: I'm pretty sure that depends on the exact version used
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10:01<Gathond>hathe|: but I would not bed large amounts of money on that:)
10:01<padski>was there not a time when it was an int ?
10:01<Gathond>padski: well more to the point a 32 bit int:)
10:01<padski>yeah. what about mysql then ?
10:01<padski>any 32-bit ints I should know about there ?
10:01<Gathond>padski: and yes, I'm pretty sure there was a 2 GB limit once, although that might not have been the filesystem itself but the posix interface
10:02<Gathond>padski: I would expect mysql to keep the DB in several files as it grows
10:02<Gathond>so any one file is probably below 2 GB
10:02<padski>but for one of those files, just say ;-)
10:02<Gathond>or at least below what the filesystem can use
10:03<Gathond>but I haven't used mysql for years, ever since I got mad at their lack of input validation
10:03<Gathond>but I would expect it to keep a 32 GB database as 4-16 different files on the filesystem
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10:03<hathe|>http://linuxreviews.org/sysadmin/filesystems/
10:06<Gathond>hathe|: I know that is the status now, but there was a 2 GB limit in linux once, although whether that was ext2 or glibc/kernel I'm not sure of
10:06<Gathond>http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/2gb-filesize-limit.html seems to suggest it was mostly glibc
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10:07<Sept>I need some help with booting Debian, anyone care to help?
10:08<padski>I have an MYD file that seems to have stopped growing at 4294967284 bytes :-)
10:09<padski>!ask
10:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:09<Gathond>yes, I would expect that at some point
10:09<Gathond>padski: and it has not made a new one whicn grows instead?
10:09<Gathond>or does it deny new data?
10:09<hathe|>Gathond: yes once ;)
10:10<Gathond>hathe|: I've never said otherwise
10:10<padski>Gathond, doesn't look like it. I haven't had a chance to look closely yet.
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10:11<Gathond>padski: if it accepts new data I would not worry
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10:11<Gathond>padski: the new file might be in another directory though, I'm not sure how mysql organizes files in the filesystem
10:12<padski>Gathond, when it was, I wasn't :-)
10:12<rojo>Anyone ever successfully use the aclexec directive in hosts.allow? I can't get it to deny any connections, even if I have "sshd : ALL : aclexec /path/to/script-that-only-exits-1." I suppose I could have the script cat /bin/false > /dev/null, then killall -9 kittens before exit 1 if you think aclexec might finally get the hint after that?
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10:12<Gathond>padski: so it actually fails to accept new data? you might want to look for limits on mysql then
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10:13<padski>Gathond, I'm starting with my backlog of logcheck mail :-)
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10:14<Gathond>http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000796.html suggests mysql has a limit of 4 GB
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10:14<Gathond>not sure what version that applies to though
10:15<evilbelgian>anyone know of any accounting suites included in debian
10:15<DTE>is there anybody usign amd servers with debian amd64?
10:15<DTE>mmore...using hp utilities on debian amd64?
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10:16<padski>Gathond, thanks, that looks incredibly helpfull
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10:17<Gathond>padski: If it works that sounds like a solution yeah, and an easy one
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10:22<padski>Gathond, of course, then it tries to make a copy of the table :-)
10:22<Gathond>it might have to I suppose
10:23<Gathond>depending on the implementation, is that a problem except for the time it takes, which I suppose should not be that long
10:24<evilbelgian>how do i get debian to recognize my wireless network card
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10:25<themill>evilbelgian: that rather depends on what card it is. Can you give us an lspci and/or lspci -n for it? (or is it usb or pcmcia?)
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10:26<Gathond>padski: that page notes that mysqldump fails to work after that change though
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10:26<Gathond>so if that is important to you it might be better to look for other solutions
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10:26<evilbelgian>pcmia
10:26<padski>Gathond, I'm thinking pg
10:26<evilbelgian>its kind of brandless
10:26<padski>:-)
10:26<evilbelgian>which is what makes it most annoying to install
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10:28<Gathond>padski: if you application allows you to use postgresql I would go that route
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10:28<Gathond>it has a limit of 32 TB per table
10:28<evilbelgian>themill : its pcmia
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10:29<Gathond>padski: but as I learned when i ditched mysql for postgresQL most OSS software and plugin modules are mysql only
10:30<Gathond>or at least likely to be tested on mysql only
10:30<padski>Gathond, I already know I could make the move, I was just to lazy to do so before :-)
10:31<padski>Gathond, thanks god that mysqldump thing is not quite as bad as it sounds
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10:31<Gathond>it might not even apply for recent versions
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10:32<padski>Gathond, if you're following the laziness theme ...
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10:32<cmot>Grr
10:33<themill>evilbelgian: I have no idea then.... Try gathering as much information as you can about what it is (lspci data) and asking the channel.
10:33<cmot>Do I need to configure something special in etch for nfsv3 acl to work?
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10:33<gsimmons>evilbelgian: If it's a cardbus card, you can use `lspci'. Otherwise, use `lspcmcia ident'.
10:33<evilbelgian>uuhh bleh
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10:33<gsimmons>evilbelgian: No other markings on the card, product name/model/revision, etc?
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10:33<Gathond>padski: well I think that article is VERY old and he mentions it being 3 years old at the time:)
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10:34<padski>Gathond, probably contemporary then :-)
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10:34<evilbelgian>it has an fcc id
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10:36<andrej>hello!
10:37<evilbelgian>gsimmons: it has an fcc id number
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10:39<andrej>i have a problem with ktorrent if create a group and want to add in a existing torrent it doesn't show under that group but if i add a new torrent and define group at start it shows like it should how can i fix it or i must w8 for a newer repositories?
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10:44<Abiectum>witch and how to start irc client in debian ???
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10:45<amphi>Abiectum: irssi is pleasant
10:46<Abiectum>I'm brand new with Debian etc... :> hot to do it ?
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10:46<Abiectum>apt-get will work ?
10:47<gsimmons>evilbelgian: Okay. You can perform a FCC ID search on this value, to determine the manufacturer. With any luck, you might hit upon a model number if any user manuals are on file.
10:48<chrono>Abiectum: Yo need to install the irc client. then connect to IRC ...
10:48<Abiectum>trying :-)
10:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 357] by debhelper
10:49<chrono>Abiectum: there're some irc clientes
10:49<themill>evilbelgian: have you tried sticking it in and seeing if it appears in lspci?
10:49<chrono>Abiectum: try to use: apt-cache search irc client
10:50<chrono>Abiectum: you will find the irc clients with this command
10:50<Abiectum>chrono: now a just install this irssi... how to start that ?
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10:50<chrono>I have not use that irc client
10:51<Abiectum>ok... then ???
10:51<chrono>Abiectum: I think you should use bitchx It's a graphical IRC
10:51<amphi>Abiectum: you type its name and hit enter (in a terminal); you might want to read some of the docs first; irssi.org has much useful info
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10:51<amphi>!bitchx
10:51<dpkg>bitchx is, like, a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BX QUITS"
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10:52<amphi>!irssi
10:52<dpkg>it has been said that irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch
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10:53<themill>dpkg: bitchx is also Abandonned by its upstream authors and scheduled for removal from Debian.
10:53<dpkg>themill: okay
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10:53<Abiectum>chrono: I'll try to install that now :>
10:54<chrono>Abiectum: Ok
10:54<Abiectum>chrono: should I install... bithx-dev -gtk -ssl files as weel ?
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10:55<amphi>Abiectum: if you want a gui client, you'd be better off with xchat, probably
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10:55<themill>chrono: bitchx isn't a good recommendation. It won't be in future versions of Debian (it's already been removed from Lenny and Sid) and has known security holes that are not likely to be fixed.
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10:56<OdyX>Hi. Could someone provide the default content of /etc/modules in Lenny ?
10:56<Abiectum>themill: then witch one ???
10:56<Abiectum>but for xwindow :>
10:56<chrono>themill: sorry I did not know it. Now I use epic4
10:56<themill>Abiectum: I use konversation. Xchat seems to be a common choice too.
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10:57<amphi>OdyX: depends on your hw
10:57<chrono>Abiectum: Try Xchat then
10:57<OdyX>amphi: Determined on install ?
10:57<Abiectum>chrono: ok .. but I found 7 files... should I install all off them ?
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10:59<chrono>Abiectum: just try apt-get install xchat
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10:59<Abiectum>allready did
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11:01<abiectum>works :>
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11:02<leikh>my wireless connection got broken during a ssh-tunnel to my debian-box. The sshd-process is still running. How do I reestablish an interface with this process?
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11:03<OdyX>leikh: why not simply killing it from another ssh connection ?
11:04<abiectum>chrono, ok ... now... how to make ... how to see user list on channel ?
11:04<leikh>OdyX: the process is running an apt-get upgrade...
11:04<OdyX>leikh: well. Anyway, I think it could be a security hole if it were possible.
11:05<leikh>OdyX: can't root take over the process and interface with it?
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11:05<OdyX>leikh: I don't know if it is possible. But you can check (top) if your apt-upgrade is running (and thus kill sshd only if ended).
11:05<OdyX>leikh: I don't know.
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11:06<amphi>OdyX: not sure - I expect packages can add modules to it if they need to
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11:06<leikh>OdyX: apt-upgrade is running... If apt is presenting user input, it will never end...
11:07<amphi>OdyX: sensors-detect will, if you want it to, for example
11:07<OdyX>amphi: thanks. I'll check.
11:08<abiectum>how to see user list in xchat ?
11:08<OdyX>leikh: I think the packages aren't let in weird state if you kill apt-get (aptitude) while asking for user input.
11:08<themill>abiectum: you probably should ask in #xchat
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11:09<|newbie|>hi, is there anyone with advanced traffic control knowledge?
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11:09<padski>!ask
11:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
11:10<padski>(I know how to direct the traffic on #debian ;-)
11:10<themill>heh
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11:12<Abiectum>?
11:14<padski>Abiectum, it is on the right hand side. use the slidy-bar thing (dammit what is that widget called?)
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11:14<Abiectum>got it :-)
11:14<Abiectum>thx
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11:14<|newbie|>ok
11:14<|newbie|>10x
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11:16<|newbie|>i want to ask about linux queues - is there any developed implementation of WFQ or WF2Q (CISCO) on debian?
11:16<|newbie|>i user Debian Sarge 3.1 Linux
11:16<|newbie|>*use
11:17<Abiectum>and now how to configure my WiFi card ???
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11:20<|newbie|>no one?
11:20<Abiectum>themill, we can start now :) with WiFi...
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11:21<themill>heh
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11:22<Abiectum>themill, if u don't want help it's fine...
11:22<themill>Abiectum: do you know what sort of card it is? (pci, usb etc)
11:22<Abiectum>don't worry
11:22<themill>Abiectum: I probably can't on this, but others will.
11:22<Abiectum>that is mini PCI
11:23<themill>Abiectum: can you pastebin the output of lspci?
11:23<Abiectum>one moment
11:23<Abiectum>06:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
11:23<amphi>!madwifi
11:24<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net
11:24<amphi>Abiectum: ^^^
11:24<Abiectum>nice... but I have no idea how to configure that
11:24<Abiectum>last two days I was reading forums etc..
11:24<Abiectum>and I'm lost
11:24<amphi>!madwifi-install
11:24<dpkg>madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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11:25<themill>Abiectum: ^^ you should just need to run that command, if you already have non-free in your sources.list
11:25<Abiectum>heh... ok .. I install that again :>
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11:27<adam_>hi there
11:28<adam_>is there any basic interpreter (like gambas) that i can use to develop graphical apps for windows and linux?
11:29<|newbie|>!WFQ
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11:30<themill>adam_: in principle, vb.net apps can run with mono, but I've never seen one work yet. C# works well with mono, however.
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11:31<Abiectum>amphi, m-a a-i didn't work
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11:32<Abiectum>source failed
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11:34<themill>Abiectum: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy madwifi-source
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11:35<Abiectum>give me command pls
11:35<Abiectum>:>
11:35<azeem>Abiectum: "apt-cache policy madwifi-source"
11:35<leikh>what kernel is recommended to go with etch (i386)?
11:35<azeem>leikh: the etch kernel
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11:36<Abiectum>doesn;t exist...
11:37<poppen>One stupid question, what do i type in the console to see what version i have of debian?
11:37<leikh>azeem: linux-image-2.6-etch, which is?
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11:38<azeem>leikh: which is what?
11:39<azeem>Abiectum: what is the full output?
11:39<shortbus>poppen: cat /etc/debian_version should be what your looking for
11:39<leikh>azeem: 2.6-??
11:39<poppen>thank you
11:39<adam_>themill: will the lazarus project do? i know it's not basic but.... :)
11:39<shortbus>np
11:39<azeem>leikh: why don't you look it up yourself?
11:40<Abiectum>azeem, that is in polish :-)
11:40<azeem>Abiectum: then export LANG=C
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11:40<leikh>azeem: why did you try to answer my question in the first place? have a nice life...
11:40<kn33o>hello
11:40<azeem>leikh: it's unclear what your question is
11:41<leikh>azeem: maybe to you...
11:41<azeem>leikh: if you don't know which version of the kernel ships which etch, why do you care?
11:41<kn33o>can i ask a question?
11:41<leikh>azeem: dist-upgrade
11:41<azeem>leikh: /msg dpkg search
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11:41<kn33o>are you guys really good with KDE?
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11:42<azeem>kn33o: I'm not
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11:42<leikh>azeem: ok, so you don't now much about dist-upgrade... well, thx anyway.
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11:42<azeem>leikh: what is your question about dist-upgrade?
11:42<Abiectum>whan I'm giveing this apt-cache then i geting msg that packet wasn't find
11:42<Abiectum>when*
11:42<azeem>Abiectum: maybe you need to add contrib or non-free to your sources.list
11:43<kn33o>well i can download new flash player to knoppix for some reason
11:43<Abiectum>I will show u my source list ok ?
11:43<kn33o>can't
11:43<azeem>Abiectum: pastebin it
11:43<azeem>!paste
11:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
11:43<azeem>kn33o: please ask in #knoppix on irc.freenode.net
11:43<kn33o>thanx azeem
11:44<Abiectum>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 2008$
11:44<Abiectum>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
11:44<Abiectum>deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
11:44<Abiectum>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
11:44<Abiectum>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
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11:44<leikh>anyone know what kernel-version is recommended with etch? (i'm upgrading from sarge, kernel 2.16-15)
11:44<azeem>Abiectum: I said pastebin, not paste
11:44<azeem>Abiectum: and yes, you're lacking non-free
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11:45<Abiectum>sorry my eng is not good :> I have no ide what is pastebin
11:45<Abiectum>idea*
11:45<poppen>if im running lenny, should i install a program that is a sarge version or etch?
11:45<azeem>Abiectum: /msg dpkg pastebin
11:45<poppen>or does it matter?
11:45<Abiectum>k
11:45<Abiectum>k
11:45<azeem>poppen: in general, you shouldn't
11:45<kn33o>hey azeem it ask me for user name on freenode.net
11:45<poppen>but if there is no other
11:45<poppen>then which one?
11:46<Abiectum>azeem, than I must add non free ??? to those lines ?
11:46<azeem>!info linux-image-2.6 etch
11:46<azeem>Abiectum: /msg dpkg non-free
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11:47<azeem>info linux-image-2.6-686 etch
11:47<azeem>bah
11:47<azeem>!info linux-image-2.6-686 etch
11:47<dpkg>linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB
11:47<azeem>leikh: ^^
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11:47<Abiectum>azeem, and something more easy ?
11:47<Abiectum>"?
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11:47<azeem>Abiectum: than whatß
11:47<azeem>?
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11:48<Abiectum>should I add "non-free" to lines in sources.list ?
11:48<azeem>!non-free
11:48<dpkg>i guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
11:48<azeem>Abiectum: did you ask dpkg about non-free sources?
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11:49<Abiectum>now yes ... sorry
11:51<Abiectum>!madwifi-install
11:51<dpkg>i heard madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
11:51<Abiectum>pfff.. source failed./...
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11:52<azeem>"source failed" is not an adequate error description
11:52<azeem>Abiectum: pastebin the entire output
11:52<azeem>!pastebin
11:52<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:52<Abiectum>can't bcs that is in grafic...
11:53<Abiectum>Ok it;s going... I didn't save file :>
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11:53<Abiectum>omg... I;m starting to become 14 old boy :... what a shame ..
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11:54<poppen>how do i add a key after this line?
11:54<andrej>can somebody tell me why when i come to kde i see window and it tells me that it want's root pass command which is tryin' to run is : kcmshell '-session' '106465626.....' how can i remove this window at startup ? help please !
11:54<azeem>poppen: what is "this line"?
11:54<poppen>wget http://apt.mediatomb.cc/key.asc -O- -q | sudo apt-key add -
11:54<poppen>the key is (key id: A2DCDB57; fingerprint: F1A6 C581 6BC1 AD55 80E9 EEFE 48AD 7164 A2DC DB57)
11:54<poppen>how do i write the "full" line?
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11:55<azeem>poppen: what do you mean?
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11:55<poppen>the thing is i want to download mediatomb
11:55<poppen>and to download the latest version i need to use that key
11:55<azeem>what does not work when you run the above line with wget?
11:56<poppen>just ok
11:56<poppen>do i need to implement it in the sources.list ?
11:56<azeem>no
11:57<azeem>did you even try yet?
11:57<poppen>yes
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11:57<azeem>so what is the problem?
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11:57<poppen>as i said it sais just OK
11:57<poppen>a big OK
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11:57<azeem>and?
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11:57<poppen>and nothing
11:57<azeem>so what is the problemß
11:57<azeem>?
11:57<poppen>back to the commandline
11:57<poppen>how do i download the file
11:57<azeem>which file?
11:57<poppen>via aptitude
11:57<poppen>mediatomb
11:58<azeem>you need to add the mediatomb repository to sources.list
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11:59<poppen>ah lol now it works
11:59<poppen>:)
11:59<poppen>thanks anyway
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12:00<Abiectum>azeem, now there is problem with modprobe..
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12:02<azeem>Abiectum: if you want to get help, you should learn to properly report errors
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12:02<azeem>!doesn't work
12:02<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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12:02<Abiectum>azeem, I give u on PM ... what I got ..
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12:02<azeem>Abiectum: eh, use a pastebin
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12:05<Abiectum>no idea how.... dpkg lang... is to smart for me (i'm not english person) sorry
12:05<azeem>Abiectum: 18:02 < azeem> Abiectum: eh, use a pastebin
12:05<azeem>Abiectum: go to paste.debian.net
12:05<azeem>paste the output, tell us the URL
12:05<azeem>simple as that
12:06<Abiectum>two lines of text... with that ??? fine :>
12:07<azeem>Abiectum: if it's two lines, you could paste them here
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12:07<Abiectum>modprobe ath_pci
12:07<Abiectum>FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
12:07<Abiectum>:-)
12:08<azeem>Abiectum: so the previous command failed? What was the error?
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12:08<padski>|newbie|, you're looking for queueing disciplines ?
12:09<Abiectum>azeem, after this command modprobe there is FATAL:
12:09<Abiectum>only that ..
12:09<azeem>Abiectum: the PREVIOUS command, not modprobe
12:09<azeem>i.e. "m-a a-i madwifi"
12:09<padski>|newbie|, http://lartc.org/
12:09<Abiectum>yes
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12:10<Abiectum>and then was big installing...
12:10<Abiectum>blue screen :>
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12:10<Abiectum>and then I type that command
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12:10<azeem>"that command" being m-a a-i madwifi?
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12:11<Abiectum>no... "modprobe"
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12:11<azeem>Abiectum: what does "dpkg -l | grep madwifi | tail -1" say?
12:11<azeem>nothing?
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12:12<Abiectum>ii madwifi-source 0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch1 source for the Multiband Atheros Driver for
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12:12<azeem>Abiectum: so apparently the module did not get installed, due to errors
12:12<azeem>Abiectum: if you are unable to pastebin the log of "m-a a-i madwifi", we can't help you further
12:13<Abiectum>nice... should I remove and start again ?
12:13<Abiectum>but what to remove now ?
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12:14<azeem>Abiectum: you should report the erorr
12:14<azeem>error*
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12:14<azeem>Abiectum: if you cannot, you will have to live without wireless
12:14<Abiectum>http://paste.debian.net/47694
12:15<azeem>Abiectum: run "LANG=C m-a a-i madwifi" and pastebin that, please
12:15<Abiectum>ok
12:16<Abiectum>http://paste.debian.net/47695
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12:20<Abiectum>?
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12:22<Abiectum>azeem, maybe I should start all over again ?
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12:27<azeem>Abiectum: apt-get install madwifi-tools
12:27<azeem>oh bah
12:28<azeem>Abiectum: add contrib to sources.list as well, next to non-free
12:28<Abiectum>ok
12:28<azeem>Abiectum: then, run apt-get update, and then m-a a-i madwifi again
12:28<azeem>no need for the apt-get install
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12:30<Abiectum>ok done..
12:30<Abiectum>;-)
12:31<azeem>does modprobe work now?
12:31<Abiectum>I guess.. bcs... I got just new line... nothing else
12:31<Abiectum>after command
12:31<azeem>Abiectum: run "iwconfig"
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12:31<azeem>does it show ath0 ?
12:31<Abiectum>yes
12:32<azeem>then it succeeded
12:32<Abiectum>ok... and how to connect AP with WPA ?
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12:33<azeem>no idea
12:34<azeem>install wpasupplicant and read the documentation I guess
12:34<azeem>!wpa
12:34<dpkg>methinks wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
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12:35<Abiectum>heh that willbe "fun" for me :-(
12:36<azeem>do you run gnome?
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12:36<Abiectum>yes
12:36<azeem>try network-manager then
12:37<azeem>see whether you got it in your systray
12:37<Abiectum>but after installing wpasupplicant /??
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12:37<azeem>it should work just fine
12:38<Abiectum>in network manager I have ath0 not configured
12:38<Abiectum>and...
12:38<Abiectum>when I open it .. I can put only WEP key...
12:38<Abiectum>:-(
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12:38<azeem>open what?
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12:39<Abiectum>open settings...
12:39<Abiectum>of ath0
12:39<azeem>where?
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12:40<Abiectum>in network manager
12:40<azeem>Abiectum: are you sure you're talking about Network Manager?
12:40<azeem>it never talks about "ath0" AFAIK
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12:40<azeem>Abiectum: right click on the icon -> Info
12:40<azeem>what does it say?
12:40<azeem>nm-applet?
12:41<Abiectum>network settings
12:41<Abiectum>:>
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12:41<azeem>where is that icon?
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12:41<azeem>Abiectum: maybe try to post a screenshot
12:41<Abiectum>u know what... is possible to change lang of my gnome to english ???
12:41<Abiectum>for sometime ?
12:41<azeem>sure, in the login screen
12:42<azeem>Abiectum: http://picpaste.com
12:42<azeem>you can upload a screenshot there
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12:42<Abiectum>but now everything is in polish... :>
12:42<Abiectum>I must change language
12:42<Abiectum>brb
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12:44<abiectum>back
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12:44<abiectum>it was in desktop
12:44<abiectum>administratrion and networking
12:45<azeem>in desktop?
12:45<abiectum>yeap....
12:45<azeem>18:36 < azeem> see whether you got it in your systray
12:45<azeem>it should be an icon on the top panel
12:46<abiectum>yes... from wired network
12:47<azeem>18:41 < azeem> Abiectum: http://picpaste.com
12:47<azeem>18:41 < azeem> you can upload a screenshot there
12:47<abiectum>ok
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12:48<sheldonh>that's funny. swearing isn't allowed on #debian, but it's fine in debian package changelogs :)
12:49<sheldonh>http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase/news/20080124T233220Z.html
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12:49<azeem>more specifically, name-calling isn't allowed here
12:49<azeem>or swearing at other people
12:50<abiectum>azeem heh.. how to make screen ?
12:50<abiectum>:P
12:50<azeem>hit the Print Screen key
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12:50<andrej>hello
12:51<abiectum>http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2.png
12:51<azeem>abiectum: ok
12:51<azeem>abiectum: run "/etc/init.d/dbus restart"
12:52<azeem>abiectum: the wired network icon should dissapear and then reappear
12:52<azeem>or a similar icon
12:52<abiectum>ok
12:52<cahoot>comment out all but lo in interfaces
12:52<andrej>i have a problem, whenever i start up my debian i get these messages http://shrani.si/f/2i/Ap/3Po4j3mA/slika-namizja1.png ; how can i solve this ?
12:53<azeem>cahoot: the madwifi just got activated, it's not in interfaces
12:54<cahoot>doesn't the network-settings app do that?
12:54<abiectum>azeem http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-1_2.png
12:54<abiectum>my battery icon gone :>
12:55<azeem>abiectum: now right-click on the network icon, does it say something about wireless networks?
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12:56<abiectum>just....
12:56<abiectum>marked "enable wireless"
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12:56<azeem>abiectum: pastebin the content of /etc/network/interfaces
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12:58<abiectum>http://paste.debian.net/47702
12:59<azeem>ok
12:59<azeem>abiectum: then left-click on the network icon
12:59<azeem>sorry, the wireless networks should be there
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13:00<abiectum>that means ?
13:01<abiectum>brb
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13:01<azeem>abiectum: eh?
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13:01<abiectum>ok
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13:03<azeem>abiectum: left-clikc on the network icon and make a screenshot of the resulting menu
13:03<abiectum>I try.. but can't
13:03<abiectum>print screen doesn;t work
13:04<abiectum>when menu is open
13:04<azeem>wel
13:04<azeem>too bad then
13:04<abiectum>there is 5 option :>
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13:07<abiectum_>azeem,
13:07<abiectum_>?
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13:08<abiectum_>it works.. :>
13:08<abiectum_>I think:-)
13:08<azeem>nice
13:08<abiectum_>I feel like 14 yrs old boy :-( I give u so many stupid questions
13:08<abiectum_>sorry
13:08<azeem>np
13:08<abiectum_>but thank u
13:09<abiectum_>azeem, u want next ?
13:09<abiectum_>>
13:09<abiectum_>question ?
13:10<abiectum_>screen resolution on laptop ???
13:10<abiectum_>how to make bigger
13:10<abiectum_>thab 1024x768
13:10<abiectum_>than*
13:11<azeem>abiectum_: don't ask people, ask the channel
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13:12<abiectum_>ok I'm asking channel :-) How to make better resolution than 1024x768 on 15,6 screen ?
13:12<abiectum_>:-)
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13:16<abiectum_>?
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13:17<Supaplex>now that my xorg.conf works, I forget. :)
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13:18<Supaplex>abiectum_: ^^^
13:18<abiectum_>Supaplex, ?
13:18<Supaplex>abiectum_: now that my xorg.conf works, I forget how to reconfig for other resolutions.
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13:19*fxiny takes a note of it
13:19<amphi>Supaplex: you can use xrandr to switch resolutions
13:21<abiectum_>I have I945... how to change resolution for 1280x1024 ?
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13:22<Supaplex>!drxx
13:22<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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13:24<fxiny>i'll use your trick very soon :P
13:25<fxiny>not the drxx but "the forget" line :)))
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13:36<krgn>hey all
13:36<krgn>has anyone some good hint on how to create .debs from sources that use scons?
13:37<azeem>it's like creating any other .deb, except more painful
13:37<krgn>hah
13:38<azeem>you could try asking more specific questions in #debian-mentors, maybe
13:38<CiberWizZ>hi, in installed debian r2 xD and then compiled 2.6.23.14, after that tryed to intall my wifi driver through iwlwifi... everything ok so far but when i try to use my wpa_supplicant with a configuration file for my home network but a error is given... http://pastebin.com/m2dab3b82 any ideas?
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13:38<krgn>azeem, thanks. I will try.
13:39<azeem>CiberWizZ: did you try removing '/var/run/wpa_supplicant'.
13:39<CiberWizZ>i did killall :S
13:39<andrej>i have a problem, whenever i start up my debian i get these messages http://shrani.si/f/2i/Ap/3Po4j3mA/slika-namizja1.png ; how can i solve this (that messages will not again appear at startup)?
13:40<CiberWizZ>samething azeem
13:40<andrej>what do i have to fix???
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13:40<andrej>i have a problem, whenever i start up my debian i get these messages http://shrani.si/f/2i/Ap/3Po4j3mA/slika-namizja1.png ; how can i solve this (that messages will not again appear at startup)? what do i have to fix ???
13:40<CiberWizZ>azeem anyother idea?
13:41<azeem>CiberWizZ: how is killall similar to removing that file?
13:42<CiberWizZ>:s its not, i guess, i just did that now and tryed to run it again....samething
13:42<azeem>no idea then
13:43<CiberWizZ>:S
13:43<CiberWizZ>where do you think i should go for answers?
13:43<azeem>no idea
13:44<CiberWizZ>tks anyway
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13:51<poppen>now i have a real strange problem. Before i was fixing my comp so that i could share my internetconnection to another computer. Since then i cant search for files on i.e. DC+
13:51<CiberWizZ>any idea wy this http://pastebin.com/m33137c7c gets returned? and how can i fix it?
13:51<poppen>do i need to reconfigure the connectionsettings?
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13:54<CiberWizZ>any idea wy this http://pastebin.com/m33137c7c gets returned? and how can i fix it?
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13:55<Knorrie>!repeat
13:55<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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13:56<Knorrie>CiberWizZ: it seems that "Driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 22" and that "this program supports up to version 20"
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13:57<Knorrie>so you can compile it with version 20, or use a 'program' that supports up to version 22
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13:58<Knorrie>"this program" seems to be iwconfig, so probaly iwconfig is unusable in your setup
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14:11<poppen>What should i type in as a rule in iptables if i want to open a port for a specific networkinterface?
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14:18<dondelelcaro>poppen: depends on what your other rules are.
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14:18<dondelelcaro>poppen: by default, you don't have to type anything
14:19<poppen>http://paste.debian.net/47711
14:19<poppen>theres my iptable
14:19<poppen>as you can see on the rows 44-45
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14:20<poppen>i tried to open port 54111 on my interface with that IP
14:20<poppen>i have two interfaces in my comp
14:20<poppen>is that correctly done or is it wrong?
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14:41<juanjo>hi?
14:41<juanjo>hi?
14:41<juanjo>hi?
14:41<juanjo>hi?
14:41<juanjo>hi?
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14:51<IRCFrEAK>HI ALL, how can i switch from etch STABLE to etch TESTING w/o formatting?
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14:51<hever>Hi, how can I find out what hardware is on a system installed ?
14:52<suiside>hever: use lspci
14:52<IRCFrEAK>hever: lshw
14:52<suiside>IRCFrEAK: change you repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade
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14:53<suiside>IRCFrEAK: basically all you need to change is the occurences of etch or stable to lenny or testing
14:53<IRCFrEAK>suiside: only this ?
14:56<suiside>IRCFrEAK: pretty much, do note though that testing is called testing for a reason, if you don't know what you're doing you propably just want to stick with stable, changing back isn't as simple
14:58<Supaplex>if it was reliable, we name it STABLE. :)
14:58<IRCFrEAK>i know the risk ... but i'll try it !
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14:58<IRCFrEAK>deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main
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14:59<chealer>IRCFrEAK: there's no such thing as etch TESTING anymore.
14:59<IRCFrEAK>so "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main" -> "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ lenny testing"
15:00<Supaplex>no
15:00<Supaplex>!tell IRCFrEAK about sources.list
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15:00<Supaplex>it's, deb url release repos
15:01<chealer>s/repos/components/
15:01<CiberWizZ> !tell CiberwiZz about sources.list
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15:03<IRCFrEAK>where can i found a detailed HOW-TO ?
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15:05<chealer>IRCFrEAK: for what?
15:05<Supaplex>urm, "42"
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15:06<suiside>IRCFrEAK: fire up the file in vim and enter ':1,$:s/etch/lenny/g', save, dist-upgrade and you're done, there's a detailed howto for you
15:07<agentbleubleu>help, I am a total novice, trying to create a ssl-cert for phpmyadmin. I have found lots of problems with the instructions, I have also found what looks like a well known bug
15:07<agentbleubleu>http://blog.wearesakuzaku.com/creating-a-self-signed-ssl-certificate-for-apache-2-on-debian-lenny/
15:07<IRCFrEAK>chealer: i 'd like to switch from STABLE to TESTING ....
15:07<agentbleubleu>is there anyone here who can take me through the process step by step
15:07<Supaplex>or sed -i.bak s/etch/lenny/g /etc/apt/sources.list
15:07<chealer>!tell IRCFrEAK about e2l
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15:08<IRCFrEAK>suiside: i'll do it now ! just a sec !
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15:08<Supaplex>you'll fail testing w/o /msg dpkg smart questions
15:08<agentbleubleu>im willing to pay someone 20 usd for this
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15:09<chealer>IRCFrEAK: release names are usually lowercase
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15:09<imperia>hi
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15:09<agentbleubleu>anyone ?
15:10<imperia>zomg 2.6.24 and its working
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15:12<amphi>imperia: 2.6.24 works fine here, but not with iwl4965
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15:13<imperia>amphi: yea works fine here too.. sorry for iwl4965
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15:14<amphi>imperia: they'll fix it soon enough, I expect; it'd be nice to have tickless on amd64
15:14<kill>hi
15:14<IRCFrEAK>sources.list seems ok ! now ... apt-get update first of apt-get dist-upgrade ??
15:15<kill>i' m italian
15:15<kill>but you choose the 2
15:15<amphi>IRCFrEAK: sounds good
15:15<chealer>IRCFrEAK: did you try the order suggested by the factoid?
15:16<IRCFrEAK>no ... i'm waiting for confirms
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15:16<chealer>IRCFrEAK: try it
15:17<IRCFrEAK>ok ... let's see what will happen :-)
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15:18<IRCFrEAK>chealer: it's downloading ...
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15:19<IRCFrEAK>chealer: it works !!
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15:20<Supaplex>ps, there's no (real) downgrade :)
15:20<IRCFrEAK>chealer: thank you MAN !
15:20<Supaplex>that'll be $140
15:21<IRCFrEAK>Supaplex: i know i can't downgrade ! i 'll risk !
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15:21<Supaplex>k :)
15:21<IRCFrEAK>Supaplex: only $140 ??
15:22<IRCFrEAK>:-)
15:22<Supaplex>well yeah. since you're not on stable, we can charge you more when it breaks!
15:23<IRCFrEAK>supaplex : ;-D
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15:24<IRCFrEAK>Supaplex: anyway i think it WILL NEVER breaks !!
15:24<IRCFrEAK>:-)
15:24<Supaplex>20:21 < Abo`> DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse
15:24<Supaplex>20:21 < Abo`> DUH, I accidently set /dev/tty0 my mouse in xorg.conf and now when the machine starts when I try to type the mouse moves :/
15:24<Supaplex>ack
15:24*Supaplex larts his mouse
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15:29<card>Anyone familiar with dd_rescue?
15:30<@Ganneff>!anyone
15:30<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
15:30<Supaplex>why is dd_rescue different from dd alone?
15:31<Supaplex>!smart questions
15:31<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.
15:31<card>It scans bad blocks instead of skipping over them
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15:31<Supaplex>that's the same as conv=noerror ?
15:31<card>I have a friend with a bad usb drive, and there's data there and I'm trying to read it off
15:31<card>Probably - I'm a newb :(
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15:32<card>It should basically be the same.
15:33<card>I don't have a blank hard drive to copy to - I can't find the data I copied
15:33<Supaplex>conv=noerror will try, but it won't terminate over bad blocks
15:33<card>I did the equivalent of dd /dev/sda /dev/hda
15:33<card>and I can't find where it copied all the data
15:34<Supaplex>yikes.
15:34<Supaplex>that's on the first pata drive now
15:34<card>yes
15:34<card>I hope
15:35<Supaplex>to reinit the kernel with the presumably new partition table there, run fdisk on /dev/hda as root, resave the partition table.
15:36<Supaplex>I hope everything on hda wasn't valueable to being with, because your dd just overwrote it.
15:36<card>how am I still using my comp then?
15:36<Supaplex>heck if I know
15:36<Supaplex>there's plenty of possibilities, and I don't have the leisure to explore them right now. bbiaf
15:37<card>ok
15:37<card>Presuming I'm ok, I just want to copy a dd image to somewhere on my hd so I can recover the data
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15:41<imperia>i am trying to compile bluez from cvs. but it cannot find aclocal. where can i find it?
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15:42<poppen>whats the name of the file where i can turn on portforwarding
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15:43<poppen>for iptables
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15:50<Lynoure>poppen: you mean /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward or /etc/sysctl.conf, I assume...
15:50<poppen>think sysctl
15:51<poppen>if i want to enable routing through the terminal
15:51<poppen>do i type sysctl 1?
15:51<Lynoure>former you need to do every time, latter is persistent
15:51<Lynoure>no, you either echo 1 to former, or add a line to the latter...
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15:51<poppen>ah ok
15:52<poppen>but someone earlier today told me to run a command similar to syctl and then a 1 after
15:52<poppen>(and ive forgotten it)
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15:52<poppen>you have any idea what im talking about?
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15:52<card>how does someone create a virtual drive in linux ... I'm looking to upload files there, not a cd
15:53<Lynoure>my time machine is broken, so I have no idea what they told you if you do not remember. Already told you the idea. :)
15:53<poppen>hm ok :P the thing is i want to "restart" my IPtables
15:53<poppen>without rebooting
15:53<Lynoure>iptables scripts can be in 1000 different places...
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15:53<poppen>hm ok
15:54<poppen>well thanks anywas :)
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15:54<Lynoure>so if you mean the location of your script, you really need to know where you put it. I tend to refer to mine in a pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces but some prefer init scripts and whatever
15:55<poppen>ive put mine in /etc/network/if-up.d/
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15:56<poppen>nvm my problem :)
15:57<Lynoure>It's a good place, too.
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15:58<Lynoure>poppen: oh, they probably told you "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1", right?
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15:59<poppen>no its to long :P it was one word and then 1 after
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15:59<poppen>oh nvm it is correct!
16:00<Lynoure>poppen: heh :)
16:00<poppen>thank you :)
16:01<Lynoure>poppen: It does the same thing as the echoing and editing sysctl.conf manually do together, basicly
16:02<poppen>yeah i know, but in some magical way it worked after echoing and not after editing
16:02<Lynoure>I don't use it often... I like to try things first and commit to them only if I like them
16:02<poppen>ah ok
16:03<poppen>ive been "playing" (alot of swearing) with Iptables all day today so i dont like trying things anymore
16:04<poppen>things never work as i want them to :)
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16:05<Lynoure>poppen: take a break, and get back to it tomorrow/Monday? It's more fun that way.
16:06<poppen>yeah already on it :)
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16:09<Lynoure>Hmm, my break is more like ending. Soon sleep and then a server to install tomorrow. Had a fun day off today, though :)
16:10<poppen>hehe, working on a saturday not fun :P
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16:11<Lynoure>I don't differentiate much between workdays and days off. And it beats doing the same thing on Monday, with frustrated users milling about.
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16:13<Lynoure>As long as it does not kill my skinny social life, and lets me sleep/rest/play enough in my life, it's ok. :)
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16:14<poppen>hehe
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16:38<Knorrie>Lynoure: :P
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16:38<Chiquita>Hi
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16:38<Lynoure>Knorrie: too much non-support chat?
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16:39<Chiquita>Is anyone here who can talk with me in german lang?
16:39<Knorrie>#debian-de ?
16:39<Knorrie>Lynoure: how so?
16:39<Chiquita>aha thx, i will join it
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16:40<Chiquita>you mean debian.de
16:40<Chiquita>:)
16:40<Lynoure>Knorrie: just did not know how to read your ":P"
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16:41<Knorrie>Lynoure: ah :) it was like "I like your comments" :)\
16:41<Knorrie>about working @weekend, so you get less unusable stuff @mondays
16:42*Knorrie knows about that
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16:44<Lynoure>Knorrie: oh, thank you :) But, if all goes fine, my plan is to goof off whole Monday :) But I guess I need to hang around email/phone in the morning at least
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16:47<Knorrie>yes
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16:48<Lynoure>goofing off just means "stuff that is not for any clients", hopefully some coding or getting my new rack server purring
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16:50<JuanIgnacio>buenas tardes
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16:52<Lynoure>guess it's sleeptime for me.
16:53<h3xagram>hello, I really need some help... I'm trying to install ndiswrapper (for my new WiFi card) and when I go to do "make", I get this:
16:53<h3xagram>http://pastebin.ca/872635
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16:56<bernardo>where is the correct path to install java development kit so other softwares like eclipse would find it?
16:56<devil>h3xagram: apt-cache policy gcc
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16:58<h3xagram>devil: http://pastebin.ca/872640
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16:59<devil>h3xagram: no gcc installed
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16:59<devil>h3xagram: thats the compiler
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16:59<devil>h3xagram: apt-get install gcc
16:59<devil>h3xagram: then run make again
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17:02<bernardo>where is the correct path to install java development kit so other softwares like eclipse would find it?
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17:04<azeem>bernardo: install the Debian package
17:05<h3xagram>devil: http://pastebin.ca/872649
17:05<h3xagram>devil: its making my head spin :s
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17:06<bernardo>azeem: you mean the "free-java-sdk" ?
17:06<azeem>bernardo: something like that yeah
17:07<azeem>bernardo: eh, there's also the sun java sdk if you prefer that
17:07<devil>h3xagram: hm, you use kernel 2.6.18-5-k7 ?
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17:08<bernardo>azeem: which one is better?
17:08<azeem>uh
17:08<azeem>that depends on what you think is better I guess
17:08<devil>h3xagram: and why do you compile ndis?
17:09<bernardo>azeem: but them both do the same things, right?
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17:12<h3xagram>devil: I bought a Wi-Fi card (Linksys to be exact and I'm just trying to use Wi-Fi as the sole means of connection to the internet)
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17:13<devil>h3xagram: well, install it per apt if you need it
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17:13<devil>h3xagram: you could also try to find out what chip your wifi uses and use the native firmware/driver, which is more debian like
17:14<h3xagram>devil: there is no source for ndis or ndiswrapper in apt
17:14<h3xagram>am I supposed to add a specific suppository?
17:14<devil>h3xagram: erm, i dont use etch, but sid
17:14<h3xagram>also, the chipset that it uses is provided with ndis
17:15<h3xagram>if I were to go to sources.list and change etch with sid and do an update and dist-upgrade, that will upgrade the distro to sid, correct?
17:15<devil>h3xagram: http://pastebin.ca/872658
17:16<devil>h3xagram: well, changing to sid has to be thought out very well
17:16<h3xagram>i know... its unstable.
17:16<h3xagram>All I really want is ndis, so I can use my linksys wi-fi card
17:16<devil>h3xagram: its not easily maintainable
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17:16<h3xagram>would you happen to know if ndis is available in lenny's repositories?
17:17<h3xagram>I would feel much better going that route than going sid
17:17<devil>h3xagram: it should if it is in sid
17:17<devil>h3xagram: if the source is not there, do: m-a a-i ndiswrapper-source
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17:17<devil>that will build it
17:18<devil>h3xagram: just do: apt-cache search ndiswrapper
17:18<devil>it'll show you whats availlable
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17:19<h3xagram>i'm assuming i should download ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-source?
17:20<h3xagram>there is also ndiswrapper-utils, ndiswrapper-utils-1.1, ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 as well... not sure which of the three to download (if any)
17:21<devil>h3xagram: -source, -utils -common and the matching -modules for your kernel
17:23<weasel>hmm. can I "uncheckout" a git tree?
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17:25<h3xagram>-modules? you mean kernel source?
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17:25<h3xagram>oh, nevermind... you mean ndiswrapper-modules
17:26<h3xagram>it isn't listed in apt-cache
17:26<devil>h3xagram: yes, they need to match the kernel you are running
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17:27<devil>h3xagram: hm, cant help you then, we have special kernels with all needed modules in the kernel.zip
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17:27<devil>h3xagram: find out the chip of your wifi and try using the native stuff
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17:28<devil>h3xagram: and i dont really know the etch kernels at all
17:31<creeed>Hello Friends, I'm richard Stallman and I'd like to thank everybody who participates in this chat-commity to help people arround the worl resolving their daily problems with the debian gnu Linux OS.
17:31<creeed>:D
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17:39<h3xagram>devil: lets say I obtain this module and install it using apt-get
17:39<h3xagram>what would I do next? reboot the machine?
17:39<devil>h3xagram: modprobe ndis <TAB>
17:40<devil>h3xagram: then you should be able to use it
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17:40<h3xagram>you mean modprobe ndis and hit that TAB button or input "<TAB>"?
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17:41<devil>h3xagram: hit tab
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17:45<h3xagram>devil: -modules isn't even in sid, how did you get your module?
17:45<devil>h3xagram: i never used ndiswrapper
17:46<makke>h3xagram: build it with module-assistent
17:46<gsimmons>!ndiswrapper one-liner
17:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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17:47<gsimmons>h3xagram: Are you sure you require ndiswrapper for use of your wireless device? What is it (specifically, the model/revision), exactly?
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17:59<h3xagram>apparently i got disconnected
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17:59<h3xagram>devil: gsimmons: I did modprobe ndiswrapper and it went through
17:59<h3xagram>and I put in that command line you provided gsimmons and that went through as well
17:59<h3xagram>what am I supposed to do next?
18:00<h3xagram>(btw, it was the one-liner you provided first and THEN modprobe ndiswrapper
18:01<devil>h3xagram: you got the xp driver?
18:01<devil>h3xagram: its a .inf file
18:01<h3xagram>you mean get it off the cd?
18:01<devil>h3xagram: wherever
18:02<h3xagram>then yes
18:02<h3xagram>I have it
18:02<devil>h3xagram: put it somewhere, cd there and do: ndiswrapper -i driver.inf
18:03<devil>h3xagram: after that, check with ndiswrapper -l if all went well
18:03<h3xagram>installed drivers:
18:03<h3xagram>rt61 invalid driver!
18:04<devil>well, wrong one, i guess
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18:04<h3xagram>only ones in the XP folder
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18:05<devil>h3xagram: is it an .inf file?
18:05<h3xagram>yes
18:05<devil>h3xagram: well, i dont know
18:05<h3xagram>there were only 2 drivers in the XP folder (Rt61 and Rt2500)
18:05<h3xagram>ok, how do I remove them?
18:05<h3xagram>what trigger (or switch)
18:06<devil>h3xagram: find out what chip your device uses and what driver it needs
18:07<devil>h3xagram: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list
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18:07<h3xagram>wilco... but how do I remove the ones I installed?
18:07<h3xagram>its useless to have them installed if they are invalid
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18:07<devil>rmmod <driver>
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18:08<h3xagram>ERROR: Module rt61 does not exist in /proc/modules
18:08<devil>h3xagram: i gotta go, its late, check the site
18:09<witte>h3xagram: do you have an rt61 card?
18:09<witte>h3xagram: for those cards you do not need ndiswrapper
18:09<h3xagram>witte its either rt61 or rt2500.. those were the only 2 drivers on the install disc
18:09<witte>!rt2x00
18:09<dpkg>The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions.
18:10<h3xagram>I installed both and it says they are both invalid under ndiswrapper -l
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18:10<amphi>h3xagram: they're native modules
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18:10<witte>h3xagram: that last thing of dpkg was for you...
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18:10<witte>h3xagram: once you installed it, modprobe rt61 (or rt2500)
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18:11<h3xagram>amphi: what?
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18:11<h3xagram>witter: what last thing?
18:11<witte>!tell h3xagra about rt2x00
18:12<h3xagram>!tell h3xagram about rt2x00
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18:13<witte>i have to go for a short while, try to get the rt2x00 drivers installed, and try them out...
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18:15<h3xagram>witte, i get this message when I attempt to install that rt2x00
18:15<h3xagram>grep: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory
18:15<h3xagram>append 'alias ra0 rt2500' to /etc/modprobe.conf
18:15<h3xagram>how is that possible when there is /etc/modprobe.conf?
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18:20<h3xagram>wait...
18:20<h3xagram>nevermind
18:20<h3xagram>witte: the source is downloaded and installed
18:20<h3xagram>what am I supposed to do next?
18:21<h3xagram>iwconfig?
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18:25<mzhang>how to connect two debian systems with a crossover cable?
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18:27<Nemoder>mzhang: with ethernet, parallel or serial?
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18:28<mzhang>ethernet, actually two gigabyte ports, so patch cable works (under windows).
18:28<mzhang>Nemoder: ethernet, actually two gigabyte ports, so patch cable works (under windows).
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18:28<dondelelcaro>just plug them together, assign ips in the same network, and they're connected.
18:28<Nemoder>should be as simple as setting a static ip to each machine
18:28<witte>h3xagram: did you read the message from dpkg?
18:28<dondelelcaro>what you do after that point depends on what you want to do
18:28<mzhang>if I just connect the computers and type ifup eth0 or ifconfig eth0 up, shows eth0 fails to bring up.
18:29<mzhang>so dhcp doesnt work?
18:29<Nemoder>mzhang: edit your /etc/network/interfaces file
18:29<dondelelcaro>mzhang: you presumably want something like ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0; if this is temporary
18:29<Nemoder>not unless one of the machines is running dhcp server
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18:29<mzhang>thanks a bunch.
18:29<mzhang>I will try when I get home, that explains!
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18:47<mzhang>any general ideas to free up some space for debian system?
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18:48<mzhang>when I df it shows the usage 11G+my home, want to trim it down because I need transport some data.
18:49<witte>mzhang: apt-cache autoclean
18:49<witte>sorry, apt-get autoclean
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18:50<bernardo>how can I get new "emblems" (those icons that you put on top of files and folders) for gnome???
18:51<mzhang>witte thanks that freed up some 1G :)
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18:52<mzhang>witte I figured I also had too much under /usr/src, any other ideas?
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18:52<witte>mzhang: apt-get clean also removes the deb files of the installed packages (autoclean removes the already removed ones)
18:52<_Poseidon_>Buenas noches
18:53<witte>mzhang: remove kernel images and sources of old and non-used kernels
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18:53<mzhang>witte will it remove my custom built ones (like kernel-image)?
18:53<witte>remove packages you never use
18:53<monra>Hello. I have problems usin gprof. I keep getting gmon.out: No such file or directory
18:53<witte>mzhang: apt-get clean?
18:53<mzhang>witte yes
18:54<witte>mzhang: apt-get clean will only look in /var/cache/apt/archives and remove those
18:54<mzhang>witte thanks
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18:54<bernardo> how can I get new "emblems" (those icons that you put on top of files and folders) for gnome???
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18:56<witte>monra: what is gprof, and i cant find any package which has gnom.out, although sendip has gnome.out.gz (don't know if this is related)
18:57<monra>witte: i think bnutils(or something similar) has the gprof program in it. it's program for checking times in a program, times in functions and so
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18:59<witte>in that case i can't help i guess :-)
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19:00<monra>witte: ok. anyway thanks
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19:00<witte>monra: i checked, and it is in binutils, maybe see if it is a bug?
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19:01<monra>nah. i think it's ok now but it wasn't the program i was looking for. I nedd a program that can give me running times of a C program less than milliseconds
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19:04<witte>monra: run it 1000 times in a loop, and use date
19:04<witte>:-)
19:05<mzhang>is there any way to use rsync to compare files between two machines, see which has different time stamps (but do nothing)?
19:05<witte>mzhang: you could use unison (which uses rsync)
19:06<witte>i am not sure if it also does timestamps
19:06<witte>let me check
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19:07<witte>mzhang: it doesn't (at least not by default)
19:08<mzhang>witte: sigh...
19:08<witte>mzhang: sorry for the noise :-)
19:08<mzhang>witte: thanks still you were very kind :)
19:08<snogglethorpe>mzhang: you could use rsync with the -n option...
19:09<mzhang>snogglethorpe: oh yes!
19:09<snogglethorpe>mzhang: i think there's another optiton which will make rsync print more information about what exactly it wants to update (timestamp, file contents, etc)
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19:14<mzhang>snogglethorpe: just to make sure, in the output of -n dry run, whatever directories followed by no files is not gonna be transferred over, right?
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19:14<snogglethorpe>mzhang: absolutely, it shouldn't write to the disk at all
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19:15<mzhang>snogglethorpe: thanks, I am getting nervous since this is my PhD data file, hehe.
19:15<snogglethorpe>mzhang: well I can't personally guarantee that, but I've used that option a lot, and never noticed it touching anything
19:15<snogglethorpe>mzhang: also, you may find the -u option useful
19:16<snogglethorpe>mzhang: the first couple of times you try it, you should probably make a quick local backup first, jusssssst in case you mistype something or...
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19:16<mzhang>snogglethorpe: thanks for the advice...
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19:30<javo>hello. i have this question. i would like to purge my system from unused packages. there is a way to list packages with no dependences, ore another method that helps to cover my needs? Thanks !
19:31<dkr>javo: if a package has no dependency why would it be installed?
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19:31<javo>uninstalled... thats what i want.. uninstall unused packages that i already have installed
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19:32<javo>sorry about the way i speak... thats my best english
19:33<marco_>javo: do you mean orphaned packages?
19:33<dkr>javo: just aptitude remove package name. it will automatically remove any other packages required by that package if no other packages depend on it.
19:34<witte>javo: deporphan
19:34<javo>i.e. aptitude remove gnome-core?
19:34<witte>javo; sorry deborphan
19:34<javo>witthe: thanks i'll try
19:37<witte>javo: it will just list the excess files, you can deinstall them using apt-get remove `deborphan`
19:38<dkr>use aptitude, it is better about getting rid of auto-installed stuff due to dependencies
19:38<javo>with the ` ` included ?
19:38<witte>javo: yes
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19:38<javo>ok thanks both dkr and witte
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19:38<witte>javo: and dkr is probably right: aptitude is hte prefered way of installing stuff nowadays (although i still use apt-get)
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19:39<witte>javo: the ` ` are to excecute the program deborphan inline
19:40<javo>i'm uninstalling 67 packages :D this is awesome :D
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19:41<creeed>does debian etch support the Native POSIX Thread Library NPTL?
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19:45<dkr>I don't see it
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19:46<daniel_>Hello, I do not know if this is the right channel for ati question on "debian"
19:46<daniel_>my I ask?
19:46<Supaplex>as long as it relates to debian
19:46<witte>daniel_: you can ask: ati driver or open source?
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19:46<witte>!ati
19:46<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
19:46<dkr>as long as "debian" doesn't mean ubuntu. heh
19:47<daniel_>witte: my card is an radeon 850xt and the fan is allways spinning on full speed.
19:47<daniel_>witte: with ati driver
19:47<witte>daniel_: the open source driver or the fglrx?
19:47<daniel_>fglrx
19:48<daniel_>at the moment I am using vesa, but same probem
19:48<witte>daniel_: i have no idea what does the speed control of that fan
19:48<witte>daniel_: isn't that hardware?
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19:49<daniel_>:) yes, but this does not appear under this, you know, windows
19:49<witte>daniel_: i see :-)
19:49<witte>daniel_: maybe complain with ati about their broken driver?
19:49<daniel_>good idea
19:50<witte>daniel_: i really have no idea, i prefer fanless graphics cards
19:50<daniel_>witte: well, not an option at the moment
19:50<witte>daniel_: maybe check if the wires of the fan are well connected
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19:51<witte>daniel_: oh, nevermind, it works under the other os
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19:52<daniel_>I will search the net once more... thank you
19:53<witte>daniel_: yeah, maybe ask here again later when someone more knowledgable is here ;-)
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19:53<daniel_>yes
19:54<creeed>dkr, where did you see it?
19:55<creeed>can you give me the source?
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19:59<daniel_>I found it in the bug database. this is a known bug for the fglrx driver
19:59<daniel_>the open source one should not have this problem
19:59<daniel_>i am trying...
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20:06<javo>it is correct to execute "aptitude remove linux-headers-2.6.21-2-amd64" for deleting an old kernel version??
20:06<witte>javo: yes
20:07<xemacs>is there an apt-torrent ?
20:09<witte>xemacs: apt-transport-debtorrent
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20:09<xemacs>ty
20:09<witte>xemacs: but have a look at it first, i am not sure it is what you want
20:09<witte>i did just apt-file search torrent|grep apt
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20:10<xemacs>I always look , and then possibly try out
20:10<witte>ok :-)
20:10<snogglethorpe>whoa, xemacs has become sentient and started talking on irc?!
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20:12<nat58065>help with samba on new install needed, can anyone help me?
20:12<witte>snogglethorpe: it is something you can expect from an emacs relative, not from a vi decendant however :P
20:13<witte>nat58065: not unless you ask your real question
20:14<xemacs>this xemacs has even helped a few people
20:14<nat58065>i am not able to change the workgroup it is in because there is no tab for it in settings
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20:16<witte>nat58065: i believe that can be changed by doing "dpkg-reconfigure samba", or by manually changing the file /etc/samba/smb.conf
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20:16<witte>nat58065: i also do not know which tool you use for changing the setting, so i have no idea which tab could have such an option...
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20:18<nat58065>it is the network settings box. i am a newbie to this, please excuse my ignorance
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20:19<witte>nat58065: ok, so probably the gnome tool for network settings or so, well, i am no gnome user so i can't tell you how to do it in the "gnome-way"
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20:19<philipp>hey
20:19<witte>nat58065: can you try to open a terminal (such a thing that looks like a dos window)
20:19<philipp>i have installed debian
20:20<philipp>and... are you compleatly crazy? If i make a minimalinstallation i've a game where i am a potato
20:20<philipp>is all of this software open source?
20:20<witte>!dfsg
20:20<dpkg>i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
20:21<witte>philipp: the software of debian has to follow very strict rules, read about it in the dfsg
20:21<nat58065>yes, ihave just installed etch from the net. eveerything is there and working perfectly, except that i can't get my windows box and debian to communicate
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20:21<abiectum>hello...
20:21<witte>nat58065: did you find teh terminal?
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20:22<philipp>pleas just say if this all is open source
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20:22<abiectum>how to mount usb HDD with ntfs-3g ?
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20:23<witte>_hufi_: if it is in debian, it is open source
20:23<witte>_hufi_: unless you add "non-free" repositories
20:23<nat58065>the terminal is under the accessaries tab
20:24<witte>nat58065: ok, you have it
20:24<_hufi_>witte it was on the cd
20:24<nat58065>ya, but what do i do with it
20:24<witte>nat58065: run "su" in the terminal, and type the root password
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20:25<witte>nat58065: when you have done that, you are teh root user (at least in that terminal)
20:25<_hufi_>anyway
20:25<nat58065>when i do this will i still be able to follow your directions on the same monitor?
20:25<_hufi_>thanks for information
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20:25<witte>nat58065: if that went well: dpkg-reconfigure samba
20:26<witte>nat58065: yes
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20:28<witte>nat58065: is everything going as planned?
20:29<nat58065>it is asking me how i want to run samba
20:29<_hufi_>what is the fastest way to remove all useful stuff like that stubig game where I play a potato?
20:29<witte>nat58065: if in doubt, take the default
20:30<witte>_hufi_: apt-get remove <packagename>
20:30<_hufi_>witte i hoped there would be a faster way
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20:30<_hufi_>anyway
20:30<_hufi_>thx
20:31<nat58065>now it wants a samba password
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20:35<witte>nat58065: oops, it seems that i missed
20:35<witte>nat58065: the dpkg-reconfigure did not ask for workgroups in my case (i was quite sure ti did, sorry about that)
20:35<witte>nat58065: in any case, you can do the following
20:35<witte>nat58065: nano /etc/samba/smb.conf
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20:36<Supaplex>!caffinate me
20:36*dpkg gives supaplex a can of 'Jolt(TM)' and runs like hell
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20:37<Supaplex>yippie!!!
20:37<witte>mmm, i got kicked again, typing to fast
20:37<witte>or irc lag?
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20:37<witte>nat58065: what is the last thing you got from me?
20:38*Supaplex pipes witte through: tr '\n' '.' | fold -sw 180
20:38<Supaplex>01:34 < witte> nat58065: nano /etc/samba/smb.conf
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20:38<nat58065>you gave me a new command, but how do i exit this request for a password
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20:40<witte>nat58065: what request for a password?
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20:41<witte>Supaplex: thanks for the pipe, but one of those sentences was 20 words, so that is not too short i think ;-)
20:41<nat58065>i did the dpkg-reconfigure samba, and it asked me to set up a samba password
20:41<Supaplex>witte: hehe. i'm having a little fun is all. :)
20:42<witte>nat58065: if i do that, it ask if it has to create a datebase for the paswords, just choose es
20:42<_hufi_>sorry... i am new on debian... whats the partition manager?
20:42<witte>s/es/yes/
20:42<witte>_hufi_: gparted is a partition manager, but there are others
20:43<Supaplex>_hufi_: debian runs on multiple platforms. fdisk should do for simplistic x86 needs.
20:43<nat58065>yes, that is correct, my mistake
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20:44<_hufi_>partet dosent exist on my sourcelist...
20:44<witte>nat58065: ok, now do the nano /etc/samba/smb.conf
20:44<witte> nat58065: nano is a very small editor with the commands below (^X means ctrl-x)
20:44<witte>_hufi_: correct spelling is important ;-)
20:45<_hufi_>whats the correkt spelling?
20:45<_hufi_>:)
20:45<witte>_hufi_: gparted?
20:46<_hufi_>witte thats a grafik-interface for partet
20:46<witte>_hufi_: no that is the graphical interface for parted
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20:47<_hufi_>i copy and paste it :-)
20:47<nat58065>ok, im in
20:47<witte>_hufi_: but if you want command line, I would recommend cfdisk
20:47<witte>nat58065: skim the file untill you see something like workgroup =
20:48<witte>_hufi_: parted is really with a d
20:48<witte>_hufi_: even in german
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20:49<nat58065>workgroup=HOME, which is what my windows box is set to, something else must be wrong
20:49<_hufi_>why do you know that i am speaking german?
20:49<witte>_hufi_: 1/ grafik is german, 2/ /whois _hufi_ to check ;-)
20:50<_hufi_>okey
20:50<_hufi_>*gg*
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20:50<_hufi_>my english is not the best... sorry
20:51<witte>no problem, but if you want to install something, you need to have the correct spelling, did you try to install gparted
20:51<witte>nat58065: ok, go out of the nano editor (ctrl x)
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20:51<Supaplex>gah, irssi tab completion on nics that start with _ is a pain. I hate typing _ to start a nick complete, and it's like <tab> 20 times otherwise. pish. </rant>
20:51<witte>nat58065: now, what do you want to do, what have you already achieved, and there are you stuck
20:52<nat58065>ok, im out
20:52<witte>s/there/where/
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20:55<nat58065>i don't understand why my windows box doesn't see debian with view workgroup computers
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20:56<_hufi_>where is my USB-stick mounted?
20:58<witte>nat58065: do you have anything shared on teh linux box
20:58<witte>nat58065: and can you see the workgroup when you open konqueror and go to the smb:// "url"
20:58<witte>_hufi_: type "mount" in a terminal to find out
20:58<_hufi_>sorry... its on media ... i have only vorgott to put it on
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20:59<nat58065>i thought i shared my home file. what is the proceeder?
20:59<_hufi_>witte that was the problem... he wasnt on mount
20:59<_hufi_>witte i vorgott to injekt him
21:00<nat58065>your last line is greek to me
21:00<witte>nat58065: if you have done that using the gui thing, it will be so most likely
21:00<witte>nat58065: open konqueror (if installed)
21:00<witte>nat58065: that is some kind of browser
21:01<witte>nat58065: in the address field type "smb://"
21:01<nat58065>not installed
21:01<witte>nat58065: have you a good internet connection and enough space? just install it then
21:01<_hufi_>ill gonna sleeb... good night @ all
21:02<witte>nat58065: not that it is strictly needed, but i do not use samba a lot, so i have not a lot of expertise in using it
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21:06<nat58065>is making a file shared more than right clicking the folder and going through properties?
21:07<witte>nat58065: it shouldn't be o
21:07<witte>so
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21:10<nat58065>it's getting late, thank you for your help, i'll work some more on this later.
21:10<nat58065>thanks again
21:10<PinkyDW>anyone have a moment to help a noob with specifying DNS settings?
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21:11<witte>nat58065: but i can't check as i don't use samba, gnome or kde :-)
21:11<witte>nat58065: did you install konqueror?
21:11<witte>ok, no problem it is too late here as well :-)
21:12<nat58065>not yet. will later and try your suggestion. thanks again
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21:15<PinkyDW>actually nevermind, just found resolv.conf, thanks though
21:16<Supaplex>I ated it
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21:23<RIVE>Hello, good night to all.
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21:49<GhostlyDeath>Who here uses TWM? (I am not having a problem, I'm just wondering)
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22:06<bgat>can anyone suggest an alternative to minicom? I've noticed that lately it's crashing more than I like to have to deal with...
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22:08<kapil>bgat: try picocom if you don't need something too complex
22:09<kapil>GhostlyDeath: popcon says that "twm" is very commonly installed and used quite a bit too! check <http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=twm>
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22:10<GhostlyDeath>kapil: i think it's installed by default so, it would be popular I guess
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22:12<kapil>GhostlyDeath: the "vote" numbers are reasonably high too.
22:16<bgat>kapil: yea, I think that'll do me. thanks!
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22:59<keratacon>i come to humbly request help setting up wireless networking on a new laptop install
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23:00<keratacon>debhelpter, could you help?
23:01<sdiz>at least your should mention your laptop band and model .....
23:01<sdiz>... and then wait =)
23:02<keratacon>ah sorry, it's a Toshiba Satellite R-series
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23:04<keratacon>ok so dmesg | grep ipw tells me that it's an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG and it seems to be generating errors -2 and -5 because request_firmware fails
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23:08<kapil_>keratacon: did you download the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net?
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23:13<keratacon>no kapil_ i will, then what do i do with it?
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23:17<keratacon>ah i see, there's documentation, i'll read by my lonesome for a while.
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23:49<keratacon>rad, got it, thanks kapil
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