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---Logopened Sun Jan 27 00:00:03 2008
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00:00<cdlu>discussing bugs in the bible-kjv package?
00:00<lupine_85>/who/ did the creation is the belief aspect
00:00<lupine_85>and you get islamic creationists too
00:00<ranix>what about "it's too terrifying to think this may have happened by chance"
00:00<lupine_85>heh
00:00<chealer>bla, lupine_85, ranix, Requiem: I don't know how that discussion started but it's offtopic now. please move.
00:00<ranix>that's the brand I personally subscribe to
00:00<chealer>s/bla/blal
00:00<ranix>got it
00:01<lupine_85>yep, sorry
00:01<blal>www.m-w.com has the perfect definition.
00:01<blal>a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis — compare evolution 4b
00:02<blal>"compare evolution 4b" lol
00:02<lupine_85>lol
00:03<lupine_85>good to see #debian-offtopic getting plenty of use...
00:03<ranix>is that a goto or a jump
00:03<blal>lupine_85 : Islamic creationism uses the same "who" as Christian. :-D
00:03<lupine_85>cmp != jmp
00:03<lupine_85>at least, not if I remember my assembly
00:04<blal>jne
00:04<blal>I think "cmp" is "compare" (is equal) and "jmp" is "jump" (goto).
00:06*jello decides to assign an RC bug to each participants in this offtopic discussion...
00:07<jello>back to work, y'all!
00:07<blal>ranix : I could tell because you became uncomfortable when I put Christianity in the same category as Scientology in a prior discussion about Anonymous' choice of targets.
00:07<lupine_85>they're releasing 4.0r3 soon?
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00:07<ranix>?
00:07<ranix>did I miss something
00:08-!-Mahalo [~scott@pool-71-100-24-167.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #debian
00:08<blal>ranix : Nothing, I'm just multitasking.
00:08<jello>blal: you get 431699
00:08<Mahalo>Dangit...I think I have had enough today...what am I doing wrong here, guys?
00:08<Mahalo> apt-get install http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java6/sun-java6-jre_6-00-2_all.deb
00:08<Mahalo>Reading package lists... Done
00:08<Mahalo>Building dependency tree... Done
00:08<Mahalo>E: The package sun-java6-jre needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
00:08-!-Mahalo was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
00:08<lupine_85>*sigh*
00:08<chealer>heh
00:09<chealer>lupine_85: yeah, but the RC bugs are rather for 5
00:09-!-leftylink [~nobody19@c-24-16-121-198.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
00:09<blal>jello : What's an RC?
00:09<lupine_85>ooh
00:09<jello>!rc
00:09<dpkg>it has been said that rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate
00:09<lupine_85>I can has one?
00:09-!-Alcap [~tmafcerqu@bl6-127-127.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #debian
00:09<Alcap>hey
00:09<lupine_85>bet you I can't fix it, though :p
00:09<jello>lupine_85: 367732
00:09<Alcap>can anyone help me installing debian?
00:09<Alcap>my graphic card is not being recongnised
00:09<jello>ch456190
00:09<lupine_85>Alcap: maybe :)
00:10<jello>chealer: 456190
00:10-!-Mahalo [~Mahalo@pool-71-100-24-167.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #debian
00:10<Mahalo>oops
00:10<jello>!tell Mahalo about flood
00:10<blal>jello : Ah. And you said "<to make up for the strain placed on Debian resources, you're being assigned bugs to test, to give back to the community>".
00:10<chealer>jello: hey, I'm the good boy.
00:10<jello>blal: well put
00:10<jello>back to work! :)
00:10<blal>chealer : You're the ringleader!
00:10<Mahalo>What happened...did I enter two sentences too close together?
00:10<jello>chealer: guilty by association
00:11<Alcap>does anyone know how to install debian with a mobitily radeon 9200?
00:11<lupine_85>Mahalo: you didn't read the topic
00:11<blal>Mahalo : Apparently.
00:11<jello>Mahalo: three or more in a short anount of time gets you booted
00:11<lupine_85>Al
00:11<leftylink>Hey, question: whenever I open up Adept, it's telling me database is in use, but I'm not aware of any processes I've started that could be using it
00:11<blal>!pastebin
00:11<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
00:11<lupine_85>Alcap: a 9200 should Just Work(tm)
00:11<jello>leftylink: use lsof
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00:11<lupine_85>what's the specific error ?
00:12<Alcap>lupine_85: when I start the debian install
00:12<Alcap>the screen is all fuzzy
00:12<Alcap>it's a laptop
00:12<chealer>jello: hehe. I'm not in a good position to help with RC bugs anyway.
00:12<Mahalo>gotcha. sorry
00:12<lupine_85>humm. non-standards-compliance by the card. This is the text-mode install?
00:12<Alcap>no it isn't
00:12<jello>chealer: you can do analysis and post a patch to the BTS...
00:12<lupine_85>I'd suggest you use the text-mode installer
00:13<Alcap>how?
00:13<leftylink>jello: what's that do? I tried running it and it looks like it did nothing?
00:13<chealer>leftylink: is that a question? anyway, sounds an adept bug.
00:13<leftylink>here's the error message I get when trying to run synaptic...
00:13<leftylink>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
00:13<lupine_85>download any debian installation cd you care to mention
00:13<jello>leftylink: use lsof to determine which processes are using the db file
00:13<Alcap>done it
00:13<Alcap>and...
00:13<jello>leftylink: and what happens when you do?
00:13<lupine_85>boot from it, and you should get a nice ncurses interface rather than an X interface
00:14<chealer>leftylink: ah, if you get that with synaptic too then it's not an adept bug.
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00:14<blal>What do I do at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431699 ?
00:14<lupine_85>if that's corrupted too, you can pass vga= parameters to the kernel at boot-time to find a mode your video card can cope with
00:14<Alcap>lupine_85: I have booted the net install
00:14<lupine_85>so you /do/ have the text-mode installer?
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00:14<Alcap>wtf?
00:14<Alcap>that's text mode?
00:15<Supaplex>!ascii
00:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ascii is american standard code for information interchange, or see 'chandra' for an example of a great use of ASCII characters in art, or http://www.asciitable.com/
00:15<Alcap>text mode is like gentoo installer :D
00:15<lupine_85>big blocky text, lack of a mouse cursor, blue bits everywhere?
00:15<jello>blal: looks like it was closed...
00:15<chealer>Mahalo: so, we probably didn't get the whole output.
00:15<lupine_85>what's the native resolution of the laptop?
00:15<lupine_85>(incl. bit depth)
00:15<jello>blal: try 456837 if you like
00:16<Supaplex>my laptop has a native resolution of 0x0x0 when it's off.
00:16<leftylink>jello: Ah, I see how to use lsof now... where is the package db file usually? When I just type lsof with no args there are a lot of files
00:16<Alcap>lupine_85: I'm trying to use the default netinstall installer
00:16<Alcap>the same as ubuntu alternative
00:16<jello>leftylink: i dunno...
00:16<lupine_85>Alcap: yep. that's text mode
00:17<lupine_85>jello: that one has a fix uploaded already :/
00:17<Alcap>ok...
00:17<lupine_85>I mean, \o/
00:17<Alcap>and I've fixed it xD
00:17<Alcap>just add vga=771
00:17<Alcap>and it's done
00:17<lupine_85>yep, that's the one
00:17<jello>lupine_85: try 436173
00:18<chealer>blal: don't worry, there are plenty to choose from at http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=both&sortby=packages&ignnew=on&ignbritney=on&ignotherfixed=on&new=7&refresh=1800
00:18<lupine_85>don't forget to add it to your grub install too, asap
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00:18<Alcap>lupine_85:come again?
00:18<Alcap>how?
00:19<lupine_85>once it's all installed, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
00:19<lupine_85>speaking of grub, does anyone know how grub2 is coming along?
00:20<Alcap>I need to boot the OS first lol
00:20<Alcap>will the X crash?
00:20<lupine_85>no, X should work fine
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00:20<lupine_85>Driver "ati" or Driver "radeon"
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00:20<lupine_85>Although I think the mobility 9200 cards have "some problems" with 3D
00:21<lupine_85>not used ATi for yonks, though
00:21<blal>Is a yonk anything like furlong?
00:21<lupine_85>no
00:21<jello>anyone else need an RC bug? 457755 up for grabs...
00:21<lupine_85>it's a measurement of time, not distance
00:21<Alcap>lupine_85: screw 3d. I just want to be able to boot to the godamn system
00:22<lupine_85>:D
00:22<Alcap>how can I add it to the menu.lst?
00:22<Alcap>because by default, debian will open gdm
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00:22<jello>add it to the kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, then run update-grub
00:23<lupine_85>Alcap: it's just something to do at some point
00:23<lupine_85>or you could just into /target before the installer unmounts it, but after it sets up grub
00:23<lupine_85>(alt+f2)
00:23<leftylink>whoaaa my package db is usable again
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00:24<Alcap>ok, let me get to the grub part, then we'll talk xD
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00:25<lupine_85>/usr/include/lqt/colormodels.h:212: error: too many arguments to function 'void cmodel_transfer(unsigned char**, unsigned char**, int, int, int, int, int, int, int, int, int, int, int, int)'
00:25<lupine_85>haha. Ouch.
00:25<Mahalo>OK, thanks. I got what I did posted to pastebin.ca at post 874285
00:25<jello>Mahalo: can you give a complete url?
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00:26<Mahalo>http://pastebin.ca/874285
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00:27<jello>Mahalo: just do wget ..../sun-java6-jre_6-00-2_all.deb; dpkg -i sun-java6-jre_6-00-2_all.deb
00:27<jello>fill in the rest of the url for ...
00:28<jello>Mahalo: although, you should just add non-free to your apt sources.list and install the normal way
00:28<jello>apt-get install takes a package _name_, not a url or a deb...
00:28-!-mattl [~mattl@fencepost.gnu.org] has joined #debian
00:29<mattl>is this the right channel for GNU/kFreeBSD?
00:29-!-oriental [naryor@190.199.104.93] has joined #debian
00:30<oriental>hols
00:30<SeveredCross>mattl: Is it #FreeBSD?
00:30<blal>#gnu-kbsd IRC channel (at irc.freenode.net).
00:30<oriental>cual es el comando para ver que version debian tengo instalado
00:30<chealer>mattl: this channel is about Debian
00:30<jello>!es
00:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:30<blal>mattl: Their webpage says "#gnu-kbsd IRC channel (at irc.freenode.net)."
00:30<Mahalo>OK, here is what stopped me the first time...how do I accept this EULA?
00:31<Mahalo>Thanks, btw...
00:31<blal>mattl : I dunno; we're all on the same team, I guess. I don't know anything about the particulars of that project, tho.
00:31<chealer>Mahalo: which package manager did you use?
00:32<jello>Mahalo: depends on the front-end, usually you scroll all the way down, and there's a button
00:32<mattl>blal: thanks. I missed that, it seems a lot of pages have moved.
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00:33<Mahalo>the wget ran through the whole dl and popped up an eula...and, let me check, but I'm pretty sure I had the non-free added. lemme take a look, but this EULA hosed me earlier too...
00:34<Alcap>I think I'm going to ask for my money back
00:34<Alcap>from windows
00:34<Alcap>I bought a laptop
00:34<Alcap>had windows vista
00:34<Alcap>never used it
00:34<jello>Alcap: look up windows refund day...
00:34<Alcap>I know:P
00:34<Alcap>it's on the 15th of feb
00:34<Alcap>(next month)
00:35<Alcap>can't remember how it's spelled
00:35<jello>february
00:35<Alcap>I was going to write that, but sounded stupid
00:35<Alcap>it's the late hours:(
00:35<jello>anyone else for an RC bug?
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00:36<Alcap>lupine_85: are you there?
00:36<Mahalo>Oh... uncomment the apt-get source?
00:36<lupine_85>Alcap: totally
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00:36<Mahalo>I thought that was for something totally different...
00:36<jello>just install it now, and then worry about the sources.list
00:36<Alcap>ok, I'm at the: you have another OS on the computer
00:36<jello>Mahalo: you'll need to accept the EULA no matter how you install
00:36<Alcap>is it here that you want me to press alt-f2?
00:37<lupine_85>has GRUB been installed yet?
00:37<Alcap>no
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00:37<lupine_85>then now
00:37<lupine_85>no*
00:37<Mahalo>Jello, how do I accept it, that is what is killling me...it is in a terminal window and I can't type Ok
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00:37<Alcap>grub not installed:(
00:37<Alcap>fatal error
00:38<jello>Mahalo: try pressing TAB, and then ENTER
00:38<Alcap>should I try lilo?
00:40<jello>Alcap: is there more info on the error if you do alt-f4 ?
00:40<Alcap>lol
00:40<Mahalo>Crud...another host of errors... http://pastebin.ca/874298
00:40<Alcap>I'll try
00:40<Alcap>I had the brilliant idea of formating the partitions
00:40<Alcap>idiots like me should be shot
00:41<jello>Mahalo: what did you just run??
00:41<jello>it looks like it is already installed
00:42<Mahalo>Jello: holdon and I'll get it for you...it kept telling me it isn't installed!
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00:45<Mahalo>http://pastebin.ca/874305 is what I entered...
00:45<Alcap>jello and lupine_85: the error is as follows: "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly";"error: running grub-install --no-floppy -recheck hd(0,0) failed"
00:47<jello>Mahalo: just run dpkg -i sun-java6-jre_6-00-2_all.deb
00:49<Mahalo>same errors...
00:49<Mahalo>I have already edited my sources.list file should I just try the apt-get again?
00:52<jello>Mahalo: what errors?
00:53<jello>please pastebin the command you run with the output.
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00:57<Mahalo>http://pastebin.ca/874322
00:58<jello>Mahalo: ok, it can't find the deb that you downloaded... where did you put it?
00:59<Mahalo>/root/debs
01:00<jello>Mahalo: so run: dpkg -i /root/deb/sun-java6-jre_6-00-2_all.deb
01:00<jello>Mahalo: sorry, dpkg -i /root/debs/sun-java6-jre_6-00-2_all.deb
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01:00<vortek>hello :)
01:00<jello>!greet vortek
01:00<dpkg>Moo, vortek
01:01<vortek>anyone know if synaptics tpconfig for laptops touchpads and such allows you to disable the pinting device on the keyboard yet
01:01<vortek>dpkg: :P
01:01<dpkg>somebody said p was 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
01:01<jello>vortek: you may be able to do that throught the BIOS
01:01<vortek>i dont want to have to cut the wire cuase its drifting when i can just use software on my dualboot in windows to do it if i can avoid it
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01:01<vortek>jello: already checked, ya cant :(
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01:02<jello>i disabled the touchpad on my thinkpad...
01:02<vortek>yeah that will work
01:02<blal>Piano instruction, eh?
01:02*jello likes the pointer
01:02<vortek>but i need the touchpad
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01:03<Mahalo>Now we are back to the other error... http://pastebin.ca/874325
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01:03<jello>Mahalo: ok, that's good. it's telling you that it needs two more packages...
01:04<jello>this is why we use apt -- it downloads all the necessary packages in one shot
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01:04<Mahalo>Oh...dang...that is what I thought initially....earlier...
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01:04<jello>Mahalo: two choices: 1) configure apt properly to use non-free; 2) download the packages manually and install using dpkg -i
01:05<jello>if you choose #1, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
01:05<Mahalo>I have uncommented my sources.list lines...let me try that.
01:05<Mahalo>I'll paste it now
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01:06<Mahalo>http://pastebin.ca/874329
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01:07<jello>Mahalo: ok, your problem is that you're configured to run stable
01:08<jello>however java6 is not part of stable
01:08<Mahalo>I didn't see that in the howto...
01:08<Mahalo>shoot
01:08<jello>it's in lenny (testing) and unstable...
01:08<jello>Mahalo: you can use the backport if you wish
01:08<Mahalo>hows that?
01:09<jello>!bpo
01:09<dpkg>rumour has it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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01:10<jello>Mahalo: do what dpkg said...
01:10<blal>Mahalo : backports is an easy and fun way of getting that one package from testing/etc. w/o dist-upgrading ur whole system.
01:10<Mahalo>Right on. Will report back in afew
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01:10<istoc>Hi, I'm having problems with noip2. It doesn't seem to be updating on the website anymore even though the process is running and has the right config file loading.
01:11<Mahalo>I did a dist upgrade today...at least I thought I did...and I didn't think I was using lenny...is that a uname flag?
01:11<jello>Mahalo: you're not running lenny, you only have stable in your sources.list
01:11<Mahalo>OH. I see.
01:12<Mahalo>lemme do what dpkg mentioned. Thanks guys
01:13<Alcap>can anyone help me install grub?
01:13<Alcap>I'm getting this error
01:14<Alcap>the error is as follows: "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly";"error: running grub-install --no-floppy -recheck hd(0,0) failed"
01:14<jello>Alcap: google says that it's a problem with your fstab...
01:14<jello>dunno why though...
01:15<blal>lol that does seem kinda odd
01:16<kapil>Alcap: do you have /boot on a separate partition?
01:16<Alcap>no
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01:17<Alcap>jello: I'm installing debian, and it gives me this error...
01:17<g3m1n1>hello, i am having trouble getting the hight resolution on my laptop, it has an nVidia fx go5200. does anyone have any suggestions? any special packages that I need?
01:18<kapil>Alcap: are there any files at all under /boot/grub/?
01:18<jello>Alcap: sorry, don't remember enough about the install process to help :(
01:18<Alcap>yes
01:18<Alcap>kapil:yes
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01:19<jello>!tell g3m1n1 about nvidia
01:19<g3m1n1>thanks jello
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01:21<jello>Alcap: try reading through http://linuxjournal.com/4622
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01:21<kapil>Alcap: the "correct" command ought to be "grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/hda"
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01:23<Alcap>kapil:it can be a typo
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01:23<Alcap>ok, it is't
01:23<Alcap>how do I fix it?
01:23<Alcap>*isn't
01:24<jello>Alcap: run the command from the shell on ALT-F2
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01:24<kapil>Alcap: before running the command make sure that "/dev/hda" is the device where you want to install grub.
01:24<Alcap>it is
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01:25<chealer>g3m1n1: do you mean the highest?
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01:26<Alcap>jello and kapil: shell says: grub-install not found
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01:27<Alcap>ok
01:27<Alcap>I think I got it
01:27<Alcap>trying again
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01:28<Alcap>nothing
01:28<Alcap>help anyone?
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01:29<jello>Alcap: you're sure that /dev/hda is your harddisk?
01:30<Alcap>sure as hell
01:30<jello>Alcap: what does fdisk -l /dev/hda show?
01:30<jello>can you pastebin?
01:30<jello>actually, nevermind
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01:30<jello>are you using a separate partition for /boot?
01:30<Alcap>no
01:30<Alcap>jello
01:30<Alcap>it shows my partitions
01:30<Alcap>I have windows on hda1
01:31<jello>ok,
01:31<Alcap>an acer partition on hda2
01:31<Alcap>and hda3 and hda4 are / and swap
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01:32<Mahalo>sorry 'bout that, was that deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free or deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free and is is /debian or /dists
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01:33<jello>Alcap: ok, so one big (ext3?) partition? no LVM, right?
01:33<Alcap>LVM?
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01:33<Alcap>I think it's primary
01:33<Alcap>how do I check?
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01:33<jello>Mahalo: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
01:34<jello>Alcap: Linux Volume Manager
01:34<jello>Alcap: i'll take that as a no :)
01:35<jello>Alcap: doesn't matter if it's primary or logical
01:35<kapil_away>Alcap: does the output of "mount" show that your "/dev/hda*" are mounted under "/target" or some such?
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01:35<jello>Mahalo: don't pm me pls
01:35<Mahalo>k
01:36<Alcap>I have cd to /target, and everything is there
01:36<kapil>Alcap: if so the "correct" command ought to be "grub-install --root-directory=/target --no-floppy --recheck /dev/hda"
01:36<jello>Mahalo: as the /topic says "/msg bots NOT people"
01:36<Alcap>ok
01:36<Alcap>I'm going to try
01:36<Alcap>but it won't work
01:36<jello>Alcap: that's positive thinking! :)
01:37<Supaplex>don't be dissin my lvm. you hurt it, I hurts you. ;)
01:37<Alcap>grub-install not found
01:37<jello>Alcap: /target/usr/sbin/grub-install ...
01:38<Alcap>same
01:38<istoc>How do I reduce a logical volume with ext3? The Howto only covers ext2 (e2fsadm -L-1G /dev/myvg/homevol) and it doesn't work.
01:39<Alcap>jello, but the grub-install file is in the directory
01:40<jello>Alcap: ok, you had me scared there for a second...
01:40<Alcap>./grub-install bla bla bla?
01:40<vultaire>istoc: personally I use gparted, maybe off of a "parted magic" cd - from the cmd line, I'm not so sure
01:41<gsimmons>istoc: Unmount the filesystem, e2fsck -f it, reduce the size the filesystem (via resize2fs), then reduce the size of the logical volume (lvresize).
01:41<istoc>Ok, thanks guys.
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01:41<jello>Alcap: do you have the correct partition in /target/boot/grub/menu.lst?
01:42<jello>Alcap: should be hd0,2
01:42<Alcap>no menu.lst
01:42<jello>eh??
01:42<Alcap>I don't have the file
01:42<Alcap>it's not there
01:42<Alcap>missing
01:43<jello>Alcap: chroot /target; cd /
01:43<Alcap>probably in the streets with a big sign saying: I'm screwing with a 18year old guy
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01:43<jello>heh
01:43<vultaire>Anyone here familiar with using libiconv in an app?
01:44<kapil>Alcap, jello: i think the menu.lst file is created by update-grub
01:44<Alcap>stil not there jell
01:44<Alcap>*jello
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01:44<jello>Alcap: ok, but did the chroot work?
01:44<Alcap>yes
01:45<jello>good
01:45<jello>does /etc/fstab look right?
01:45<istoc>How do I specify how big the filesystem should be with resize2fs? Should I reduce the logical volume before I resize the fs?
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01:45<Alcap>jello: yes
01:45<jello>Alcap: that is, does it list the mount point for /dev/hda3 as / ?
01:46<Alcap>yes
01:46<jello>good, now try the install-grub again
01:46<vultaire>istoc: first one, I'd have to rtfm. second, resize the fs first, definitely
01:46<gsimmons>istoc: man resize2fs. You do _not_ want to reduce the logical volume size prior to reducing the size of the filesystem within.
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01:46<jello>Alcap: grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/hda
01:46<Mahalo>Hmmm I added the backports and rav an update but still had errors...http://pastebin.ca/874366
01:47<vultaire>istoc: gparted will handle this stuff very easily, which is why I recommended it. It really makes life easier, since resizing partitions isn't something I exactly do everyday.
01:47<jello>Mahalo: remove the non-us entries from sources.list
01:47<istoc>Ok, I wasnt sure because when I extended it, I extended the LV then resized the FS so I thought it might be the other way around if I wanted to go in reverse
01:47<jello>Mahalo: it's no longer used
01:47<Alcap>jello
01:47<Alcap>looooool
01:48<Alcap>same problem as the installer
01:48<Mahalo>kk
01:48<Alcap>it started
01:48<jello>Mahalo: then run, apt-get install -t etch-backports sun-java6-jre
01:48<Mahalo>Thanks.
01:48<Alcap>but it gave me the /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
01:49<jello>Alcap: *shrug*
01:49<Alcap>should I shoot myself?
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01:49<jello>nah, just shoot the machine :)
01:49<Alcap>can't
01:50<Alcap>the machine is more valuable
01:50<Alcap>:D
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01:51<kapil>Alcap: "cp /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1 /boot/grub/stage1"
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01:52<jello>Alcap: can you run fdisk to make sure the hda3,4 partitions are of the correct type
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01:53<Alcap>jello
01:53<Mahalo>jello: AWESOME! That only tossed one error out and told me to run an -f without a file. When I did that it removed the broken limewire install, the broken java install, installed the proper packages and offered no more errors.
01:54<Alcap>jello: WTF???? hda3 is ntfs!
01:54<jello>Alcap: aha!
01:54<Alcap>but I'm sure I formatted it in ext3!!!!!!
01:54<Alcap>oh the horror!!!!!
01:55<Mahalo>That is the most incredible install system I have ever seen. I can't wait to get to know it better and be able to help others like you guys helped me. Thank you VERY much for you patience.
01:55<jello>Mahalo: read the debian faq and the reference
01:55<jello>Mahalo: apt-get install debian-reference
01:56<Mahalo>I have been, brah...that is half of what got me twisted around...trying to figure out the local apt-get stuff really threw me for a loop.
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01:56<Mahalo>I'll be sure to tryt to get it all done over the regular apt-get from now on but I just got this wireless adapter working on this computer today so everything has been sneakerenetted till today
01:57<jello>Mahalo: good luck!
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01:57<jello>g'night all
01:57<Mahalo>Thanks man.
01:57<Mahalo>ciao
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02:11<mzhang>dli: there?
02:12<dli>mzhang, yes
02:12<mzhang>dli: gnash crashes system when I visit some website. I googled and found a bug reported by you?
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02:13<dli>mzhang, try the newest cvs, I think the bug was not valid any more
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02:14<mzhang>I used the current cvs. Try this url.
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03:13<bcochofel>Hi, I have installed etch from the netinst without X11. What packages do I need to install to have X11 and fluxbox?
03:14<gsimmons>!install x
03:14<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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03:16<bcochofel>gsimmons: thx
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03:47<dmg>!nvidia
03:47<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
03:47<dmg>!nvidia one-liner
03:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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03:53<sasha>hi could somebody explain me where to get the debian.multimedia key , looks like my old tuto don t work anymore
03:56<fxiny>sasha: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
03:56<lam64>http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.linux.cabal/2006-11/msg00070.html
03:57<fxiny>sasha: then : gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 > debian-multimedia.key and su -c "apt-key add debian-multimedia.key"
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03:59<sasha>fxiny : trying
04:00<sasha>fxiny : worked like a charm thanks a lot
04:00<fxiny>sasha: np
04:01<sasha>fxiny : that s a lazy question cause i did nit yet looked on google , but do you have the same fot the http://download.tuxfamily.org repo :)
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04:04<sasha>i m looking also the key for the unofficial compiz repo
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04:06<Enfilade>!nvidia_sarge
04:06<dpkg>[nvidia_sarge] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (make sure to have contrib and non-free in your sources.list - ask me about <non-free>)
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04:25<hypnotic>hi there, i have a m-audio revolution 7.1 and I changed the multi track internal clock in kmix, to different values like 44100 and IEC958, now its stuck on IEC958 and cant get it back to 44100 of 48000
04:25<hypnotic>reboot wont work
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04:26<fxiny>delete kmix config file
04:26<hypnotic>for user or global?
04:26<fxiny>or just mv it
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04:26<hypnotic>any idea where to find this file?
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04:27<hypnotic>kmixrc?
04:27<fxiny>somewhere in ~/.kde
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04:28<Christmas>~/.kde/share/config
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04:28<hypnotic>kmixrc has no values on iec958
04:28<Christmas>it should be there
04:28<hypnotic>found a file in .kde/share/config
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04:32<michu2510>hi all
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04:36<hypnotic>Christmas: didnt work, second user login has the same settings, so something changed a level deeper
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04:43<hypnotic>can someone help me with my soundcard? i have a m-audio revolution 7.1 and I changed the multi track internal clock in kmix, to different values like 44100 and IEC958, now its stuck on IEC958 and cant get it back to 44100 of 48000
04:43<hypnotic>removing kmix conf file in kde doesnt work, all users have the same setting now
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04:53<qwe>Why mysql-server is 5.0.38-1 but mysql-doc is 4.0.22-1? Where are docs for MySQL?
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04:55<michu>hi
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04:58<KRS>hi, is here someone who knows how to reinstall a soundcard?
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05:01<devil>KRS: run alsaconf as root
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05:01<hypnotic>devil: any idea on my problem?
05:02<gsimmons>qwe: They're not packaged due to licensing restrictions. See /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz and <http://dev.mysql.com/doc>.
05:02<valdyn>hypnotic: this is probably just a user error, why would you think that kmixer has anything to do with it?
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05:02<valdyn>hypnotic: you should try alsamixer
05:02<hypnotic>i fiddling with alsamixer now as root, but cant change the internal clock anymore
05:03<valdyn>hypnotic: and possibly delete the config file that "alsactl store" creates
05:03<hypnotic>devil: someone gave me that ti[
05:03<hypnotic>aha where can i find that file?
05:03<valdyn>hypnotic: see manpage?
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05:06<fxiny>try this : dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
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05:09<hypnotic>devil: ok read the manpage, so changing asoundstate with correct value and then alsactl restore will do the trick?
05:11<devil>hypnotic: you want to talk to valdyn, i know nothing on your problem
05:11<hypnotic>o sorry got the wrong name
05:12<hypnotic>valdyn: I read the manpage, changed the value and did alsactl restore as root
05:12<hypnotic>but noi change
05:12<hypnotic>do i need to restart alsa for this?
05:12<valdyn>hypnotic: no
05:14<hypnotic>Select the configuration file to use. The default is /etc/asound.state is this also default for debian?
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05:15<Enfilade>rtorrent is great
05:15<hypnotic>valdyn: alsactl -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state restore doesnt work either
05:15<Enfilade>!nvidia_sarge
05:15<dpkg>i heard nvidia_sarge is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (make sure to have contrib and non-free in your sources.list - ask me about <non-free>)
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05:16<Enfilade>that trigger needs to be update. xserver-xfree86 was replaced by xserver-xorg-core
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05:16<valdyn>/etc/asound.state isnt used anymore since mid 2006
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05:17<valdyn>hypnotic: just delete the state file and reboot, if you havent done that
05:17<dmg>!nvidia
05:17<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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05:17<valdyn>hypnotic: cold reboot.
05:18<hypnotic>valdyn: ok ill try, thanx
05:18<dmg>how i am still having problen installing my nvidia drivers
05:18<hypnotic>valdyn: cold reboot is with a shutdown right?
05:19<valdyn>hypnotic: it implies powering off
05:19<Enfilade>what is the problem, dmg?
05:19<hypnotic>valdyn: ok, brb
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05:19<dmg>i cant get them to install
05:19<valdyn>hypnotic: your sound hardware needs to get into its default state, just shutdown -r will probably not achieve that
05:19<Enfilade>what error are you getting?
05:20<valdyn>!tell dmg about smart questions
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05:20<valdyn>dmg: no offense but its a pain to help you if you dont start learning how to make it easy to help you
05:20<dmg>sorry had to go afk
05:21<dmg>Enfilade: last night some people tried to help me but didnt work,
05:22<Supaplex>oh noes we're fired.
05:22<dmg>Enfilade: we tried loading kernel
05:22<Enfilade>can you please give us some useful details about the problem?
05:22<valdyn>and for soem funny reason people are lazy to read and follow factoids even if it would decrease the time to get things running by 90%
05:23<dmg>nvm i'll figure it out
05:23<michu>hi I have a problem withe "american's army". I write in console "armyops" but i get only it"$ armyops
05:23<michu>Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
05:23<michu>Cheat protection disabled
05:23<michu>WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
05:23<michu>Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
05:23<michu>History:
05:23-!-michu was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
05:23<Enfilade>dmg: try the appropriate one liner or follow the wiki step by step, then tell us at which step it breaks, and how it breaks
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05:24<dmg>Enfilade: i tried
05:24<hypnotic>valdyn: didnt work
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05:24<valdyn>hypnotic: what exactly didnt work?
05:24<valdyn>hypnotic: i want you to reboot, delete asound.state, not log into kde, and just run alsamixer in the console
05:24<dmg>the driver i have does not want to install
05:24<hypnotic>valdyn: internal clock is still on iec958
05:24<Enfilade>does this channel have a trigger that links to the Asking Questions HOWTO?
05:24<dmg>it .run file
05:25<valdyn>Enfilade: /msg dpkg smart questions
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05:25<valdyn>Enfilade: and /msg dpkg ask
05:25<Enfilade>nice!
05:25<hypnotic>valdyn: o ok
05:25<valdyn>Enfilade: dmg has seen all of those, once at least
05:25<Enfilade>dmg: why are you using the nvidia package and not using the 'debian method' outlined in the wiki?
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05:26<valdyn>hypnotic: i have zero idea what kde might do to your sound card and how it saves state, i dont want it to get an opportunity to touch it
05:27<dmg>Enfilade: you mean do it in root?
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05:28<valdyn>dmg: arent you still using ubuntu?
05:28<dmg>no
05:28<dmg>im on Debian atm
05:29<valdyn>dmg: start answering questions , like the one Enfilade asked
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05:30<dmg>ok
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05:31<fxiny>dmg: good news
05:31<valdyn>dmg: i know that the wiki outlines both methods, but using both methods on the same computer will lead to side effects that break your driver
05:31<dmg>Enfilade: i already did the wiki and did not work , i cannot remember what was the error
05:31<fxiny>dmg: did you install that game ?
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05:32<dmg>some file are broken
05:32<dmg>files*
05:32<valdyn>dmg: we really need error messages.
05:32<valdyn>dmg: no error message -> no help
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05:32<dmg>fxiny: i wish
05:33<dmg>fxiny: still trying to get my video card work
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05:33<dmg>fxiny: im on Debian atm
05:33<hypnotic>valdyn: it worked! ;D
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05:33<valdyn>hypnotic: but all outside of kde, right?
05:33<fxiny>dmg: ahhh thatìs another problem : quake3 should be in /usr/share/games
05:33<hypnotic>valdyn: yup
05:34<fxiny>share/local*
05:34<hypnotic>valdyn: only an old bug is back
05:34<valdyn>hypnotic: which is?
05:34<dmg>fxiny: soon as i get the nvidia drivers to work i'll try to install it
05:35<fxiny>dmg: you can install it now : wait for nvidia later
05:35<hypnotic>valdyn: normally when you boot into kde only one channel gives sound, you have to change the volume to get both channels. Since a couple of updates last week this was finally gone, but now its back
05:35<pasquale>hi, i'm trasferring a divx (700mb like) with samba to a windows xp computer. but the transfer speed is slow :( 55 minutes for a file??? (of 700 mb)
05:35<fxiny>dmg: just to make sure the installer works
05:35<dmg>fxiny: LET ME DOWNLOAD IT
05:35<fxiny>dmg: you lost it ?
05:36<valdyn>hypnotic: that should be ok once you did that manual fix followed by alsactl store, or just a reboot
05:36<dmg>fxiny: i was on Ubuntu when i tried to install it
05:36<dmg>fxiny: this is my other HD
05:37<valdyn>pasquale: via wlan?
05:37<fxiny>dmg: i know that , mount your hd and cp
05:37<pasquale>no valdyn , ethernet only with a router
05:37<hypnotic>valdyn: uhm I never fixed the channel bug, that was probably due to this update alsa-base (1.0.15-3) to 1.0.15-4
05:37<valdyn>pasquale: install putty on windows and try ssh transfer
05:37<dmg>fxiny: didnt think of that , thx
05:37<valdyn>pasquale: or in fact any alternative file transfer method
05:38<valdyn>!winscp
05:38<hypnotic>valdyn: but then i started fiddling with the clock rate in kmix and the problem we just fixed appeared
05:38<valdyn>hmm
05:38<valdyn>pasquale: there should be winscp, google knows i guess
05:38<dmg>fxiny: wont let me open it
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05:38<valdyn>hypnotic: so kmix is doing something weird uh
05:38<hypnotic>valdyn: would reinstall of alsa-base fix this again?
05:39<valdyn>hypnotic: hardly
05:39<hypnotic>valdyn: seems so yes
05:39<fxiny>dmg: learn how to mount a partition first
05:39<valdyn>hypnotic: this is config file related or a driver bug
05:39<valdyn>hypnotic: both is totally unaffected by reinstalling packages
05:39<dmg>fxiny: wanna teach me ?
05:40<hypnotic>valdyn: but something fixed the bug last week
05:40<fxiny>dmg: mount -t ext /dev/hdxxxx /mountpoint whre mountpint is supposed to be a /mnt/subdir and xxx is your hda-number
05:40<fxiny>ops
05:40<pasquale>ok valdyn thx i will try
05:40<hypnotic>valdyn: not by my hands
05:40<fxiny>dmg: mount -t ext3 ....
05:40<valdyn>hypnotic: new alsa packages
05:41<hypnotic>valdyn: yup my thoughts exactly, but you say reinstalling will not make a difference?
05:41<valdyn>hypnotic: yea
05:41*Enfilade notes that rtorrent is excellent
05:41<hypnotic>valdyn: so updating fixes it, but reinstalling not?
05:41<valdyn>hypnotic: it doesnt exactly make sense
05:42<dmg>fxiny: i'll try , thx
05:42<fxiny>Enfilade: encryption enabled ?
05:42<valdyn>hypnotic: nor does the bug coming back
05:42<Enfilade>No idea
05:42<fxiny>i bet yours is not :P
05:42<valdyn>hypnotic: hence it probably wasnt the upgrade that fixed it
05:42<hypnotic>valdyn: uhm what did ?
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05:42<valdyn>hypnotic: how would i know
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05:43<valdyn>hypnotic: unfortunately i dont know kmixer at all
05:43<hypnotic>valdyn: haha ok well I just saw alsa was being updated and after reboot the channel bug was gone
05:44<hypnotic>valdyn: channelbug has nothing to do with kmix
05:44<hypnotic>valdyn: iec958 bug probably does
05:44<valdyn>hypnotic: for the gnome mixer , which it will "jump" unpredictably while I try to change it
05:44<valdyn>hypnotic: maybe you just cant see that in kmixer for lack of direct feedback from the actual device settings
05:45<hypnotic>valdyn: what do you mean?
05:45<valdyn>hypnotic: when i change one slider, the other slider might jump around
05:46<valdyn>hypnotic: if your mixer app has no direct feedback from the actual sound card settings then you will not see those unpredictable changes
05:46<fxiny>hypnotic: are you sure there are no kmix config in /etc/kde3 ?
05:46<hypnotic>valdyn: yup
05:46<hypnotic>valdyn: i mean yes
05:47<valdyn>hypnotic: for instance, i slide up both ( locked together ) channels, it will randomly unlock and mute while im sliding
05:47<valdyn>hypnotic: i dont know if that is somethign that might be happening to you too
05:47<valdyn>hypnotic: its unrelated to the mixer you use, but the gnome mixer just displays it nicely
05:48<hypnotic>valdyn: no all distros and mixers had the same problem
05:48<valdyn>hypnotic: alright
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05:48<hypnotic>valdyn: its a known bug which was planned to correct in new alsa releases
05:48<hypnotic>valdyn: to be corrected
05:49<valdyn>hypnotic: but unrelated to your issue?
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05:49<hypnotic>valdyn: channel issue is unrelated to the iec958 issue
05:49<valdyn>ok
05:50<hypnotic>valdyn: but because they finallye fixed it i was trying to get the mic working and to see differences in the clock rate, and then it locked the iec958 output/input
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05:50<hypnotic>valdyn: and then you helped me ;)
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05:52<hypnotic>valdyn: thanx for your help, have to do some work now (with music :D)
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05:52<hypnotic>valdyn: bye bye
05:52<hellboy195>hey folks, packages.debian.org/changelogs down? Why?
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05:56<dmg>fxiny: the seond line i just type mount -t ext3?
05:57<fxiny>dmg: where is your ubu partition ? hda1 or hda2
05:58<dmg>cant remember
05:58<fxiny>dmg: type as root fdisk -l and check
06:00<fxiny>dmg: mount -t filesystem device mountpoint
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06:01<dmg>fxiny:
06:01<dmg> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
06:01<dmg>/dev/hda1 * 1 2327 18691596 83 Linux
06:01<dmg>/dev/hda2 2328 2434 859477+ 5 Extended
06:01<dmg>/dev/hda5 2328 2434 859446 82 Linux swap / Solaris
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06:03<dmg>fxiny: tahat the one should be 1 i guess
06:04<fxiny>dmg: looks like : mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/make_a_damned_dir , when you finish : umount /mnt/thedamneddir :)
06:04<fxiny>dmg: gonna see my cat
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06:08<dmg>fxiny: does not exist
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06:10<dmg>fxiny: i need to get some sleep, i'll try tomorow
06:10<dmg>fxiny: thx for the help
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06:22<knoppix__>test
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06:22<Guest750>dann nochmal test
06:23<Maulkin>Nein.
06:23<Maulkin>Kann ich hefen?
06:23<Maulkin>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de)
06:25<Guest750>danke ich möchte erst nur mal probieren
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06:25<maex>hallo ich bin neu hier
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06:26<Maulkin>maex: hallo.
06:26<Maulkin>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de
06:26<Maulkin>(auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de)
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06:27<maex>habe mir mein linux(sidux) auf meinem rechner jetzt mehr oder weniger eingerichtet kmail, lesezeichen im browser usw nun habe ich einen neuen rechner und möchte nicht wieder alles von forn konfigurieren gibts da nen weg das ich mit den sachen vom alten rechner auf einen neuen umziehe ?
06:28<devil>maex: this is EN only
06:28<maex>bin noch ein neuling also bitte vorsicht mit fachbegriffen
06:28<Maulkin>maex: --> #sidux
06:28<devil>Maulkin: englisch
06:28<devil>ups
06:28<maex>#sidux
06:28<devil>maex: english only
06:28<maex>#sidux
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06:29<maex>s
06:29<maex>#sidux
06:29<devil>maex: gehts noch?
06:29<Maulkin>maex: enshudigen. Wier mussen auf diese (channel? raum?) English gespraken. Für sidux, "/join #sidux"
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06:29<Maulkin>s/English/Englisch
06:30<devil>Maulkin: he is in #sidux, just resistant against reading ;)
06:30<Maulkin>ahh, ok :)
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06:30<Maulkin>maex: also im diese raum, "/part #debian"
06:30<Maulkin>Yeah, like that :)
06:30<devil>heh
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06:38<rhayedhonne>is it possible to install ubuntu server after ubuntu desktop installation?
06:38<valdyn>rhayedhonne: is it possible that you should ask ubuntu questions elsewhere?
06:38<noflash>rhayedhonne, ask #ubuntu
06:39<Enfi|ade>Ubuntu Server sounds like a bad idea
06:39<rhayedhonne>I thought this channel is for ubuntu
06:39<noflash>rhayedhonne, try the topic
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06:39<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, you really should ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu. but you should be able to just install the packages you want (that are in desktop but not in server)
06:39<rhayedhonne>hmmm...you mean..you could not recommend it?
06:39<valdyn>hah
06:39<Enfi|ade>_sounds_like_
06:39<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, that is why it is called #debian. because it is ubuntu... dont think so.
06:40<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, try asking in #ubuntu. We Do Not Know(TM)
06:41<rhayedhonne>I got it.. sorry.. I thought m talking to ubuntu channel...I just noticed m in debian..
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06:41<rhayedhonne>but anyway..which of the distros out there that you could recommend to become a web server?
06:42<valdyn>rhayedhonne: debian
06:42<rhayedhonne>the one that is reliable..
06:42<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, debian of course.
06:42<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, debian again.
06:42<valdyn>rhayedhonne: this is a #debian channel, we dont do advocacy except FOR debian
06:42<rhayedhonne>is it open source?
06:42<avtobiff>amagad
06:42<valdyn>geez
06:42<valdyn>rhayedhonne: /topic
06:42<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, it is free software and DFSG Free!
06:42<noflash>rhayedhonne, debian.org/doc
06:43<Enfi|ade>rhayedhonne: Definitely
06:43<Enfi|ade>rhayedhonne: Definitely Etch
06:43<fxiny>hmmm
06:43<rhayedhonne>I know what you mean avtobiff: "oh my GOd"
06:43<Enfi|ade>I wouldn't even want to recommend a distro other than Debian
06:43<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, no. i literally ment "amagad"
06:43<valdyn>rhayedhonne: why do you ask these questions in a very distro centric channel?
06:43<Enfi|ade>Many distros seem to have funny conceptions of what 'stable' is
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06:44<valdyn>they pretty much all just mean stable = wontchange
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06:44<rhayedhonne>just asking...nobody knows...you might have a very good recommendation for me here..
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06:44<valdyn>rhayedhonne: we only recommend debian, for everything
06:44<valdyn>rhayedhonne: my toaster runs it too
06:45<avtobiff>rhayedhonne, try debian and indulge yourself!
06:45<rhayedhonne>again...is it free?
06:45<valdyn>haha
06:45<fxiny>hmmm^32
06:45<valdyn>rhayedhonne: debian has an official internet presence: http://www.debian.org/
06:45<fxiny>org not com got it ?
06:46<Enfi|ade>rhayedhonne: Try Debian. You will love it. If you don't, you're sick and in need of help
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06:46<valdyn>i think i will try this once i go into a bmw shop and ask about porsche
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06:47<hever>Hi. I'm logged in via ssh at a server. How can I copy for example via scp a remote file to my machine ?
06:48<suiside>hever: read 'man scp' it's all in there
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06:49<hever>suiside: Yes I read. But I'm already logged in and I don't want to relogin or login at my machine via ssh. I just want to download a file.
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06:50<fxiny>refusing to read man won't take you anywhere
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06:51<fxiny>we all had to read all gnu utils man , all of 'em
06:51<suiside>hever: you don't need to be logged in the remote host to transfer files via scp, you just need a shell account on it, now go read the manpage
06:51<fxiny>with joy
06:51<Lynoure>hever: "don't want to" -> "don't want to come up with an exotic solution to work around exotic wants"
06:51<fxiny>that's the difference
06:51<fxiny>i wish i could do it all again
06:51<Lynoure>hever: scp uses ssh as a carrier, there is no workaround to that
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06:51<EmleyMoor>If I can do Jabber over wireless with a laptop but not with a mobile phone. could the problem lie on my network or is the mobile device most likely to blame?
06:52<valdyn>EmleyMoor: how would we know?
06:52<valdyn>EmleyMoor: we have NO information except the classic "doesn't work", dont bother
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06:54<EmleyMoor>Well, OK - put it this way... all that seems to be happening is retries not responded to when retrieving the list.
06:55<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the not works ok with different apps?
06:55<valdyn>EmleyMoor: s/not/net/
06:55<EmleyMoor>(I have tried to chase this up before and despite getting this information got nowhere)
06:55<EmleyMoor>Yes, though have not tried IMAP on this incarnation of the phone - can browse the web, download...
06:56<valdyn>EmleyMoor: maybe your thing is firewalled somehow
06:56<Lynoure>hever: But, if you can explain why such weird limitation, maybe there is some other way you can get your file
06:57<EmleyMoor>... and maybe it isn't... because surely that would block the laptop as well
06:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: any way to access the debugging output of that jabber application on that phone?
06:57<valdyn>EmleyMoor: firewall on phone i meant
06:57<EmleyMoor>Not known yet. A previous one has been tried and I am still awaiting vendor advice
06:57<EmleyMoor>Not to my knowledge
06:57<EmleyMoor>(if there is, it's a secret firewall!)
06:58<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you should ask on a forum specific to your phone
06:58<EmleyMoor>I get precisely the Â"it should work" answer when I do that
06:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: is that an iphone?
06:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: iphone should enable you to start that app directly from a terminal
06:59<valdyn>EmleyMoor: which could then show useful informatiojn
06:59<hever>So if I'm going to download a file I must know the path on the remote system. To get this path in a easy way I log on the remote system there I go to the file and look up the whole path. Then I use the scp command and pass the path to it. And if I'm going to store the file not under my homedir I have to remember the path where I'm going to store it. I thougt there was something easy like....
06:59<hever>...Get fileXX and its stored im my homedir...
06:59<EmleyMoor>No, it's an N95
07:00<hever>or cwd ...
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07:02<fxiny>hever: if you cd to the file dir you don't need the path , you want only your destination path
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07:02<hever>oh yes I see thanks
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07:05<Lynoure>hever: or you could use sftp, if it is configured on your server. :)
07:05<valdyn>Lynoure: umm?
07:06<Lynoure>valdyn: oh, I thought his problem was not remembering where his file is... sftp lets one browse.
07:06<valdyn>Lynoure: sftp is just another client to copy over ssh with the only purpose being ftp - like syntax
07:06<Lynoure>valdyn: yes.
07:06<Lynoure>valdyn: but browsing with it from command line is handier than trying to do the same with scp.
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07:07<valdyn>Lynoure: i guess, if you dont have completion active
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07:09<Lynoure>especially sftp with konqueror is 'easy' in the sense that people often mean when they want something 'easy'.
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07:14<hever>I got it thanks. scp is ok. But you have to remember your source or desination.
07:15<fxiny>is not easy : try to analyze what a gui does to the brain . the more natural approach is the shell
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07:15<Lynoure>fxiny: that's why the ''s. Real easy tends to be what a person is used to.
07:15<fxiny>hever: you are supposed to know where you want to drop your files , yes
07:16<hever>I like browsing my filsystem with the TAB key.... ;)
07:16<hever>At more complex dirnames or version numbers...
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07:19<Lynoure>hever: if you find yourself moving stuff a lot, you could consider other ways, like sshfs
07:20<fxiny>Lynoure: most users don't know why "they are used to" nor they remember who get 'em used to , they just burn brain cells over and over . they are not efficient in what they do . they get stressed up quickly .
07:20<hever>yes sure sure, all is done and thank you for your help. It was just in my brain that there was some easier way doing this....
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07:21<hever>And yes. This is easy enough for a single file ;)
07:21<Lynoure>fxiny: I agree. And possibly the most magical skill in the world is the skill of not getting stressed. Still working on that one :)
07:23<fxiny>Lynoure: ;)
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07:32<fxiny>i forgot : i dont use tab to browse my home labyrinth , i use wcd
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07:34<avtobiff>wcd?
07:34<avtobiff>working changing directory?
07:34<fxiny>yes
07:34<avtobiff>what is that?
07:34<avtobiff>a command?
07:35<fxiny>it is
07:35<fxiny>try and see by yourself how is good
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07:36<fxiny>example : cd ~/1/2/3/4/5/6/here ? just wcd here
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07:36<avtobiff>?? :-)
07:37<avtobiff>fxiny, ok. i get it now :-)
07:37<avtobiff>wherever change directory
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07:38<fxiny>avtobiff: i believe it saves me some 20 minutes per week
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07:40<muhkuh>i have debian4.0 ETCH and want un open a rar archive downloaded unrar-free and comix but it doesnt work how do i get this open please?
07:41<Gathond>muhkuh: download unrar-nonfree
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07:42<gsimmons>muhkuh: You'd want to install the 'unrar' package from non-free, in order to extract RAR 3.0+ archive files.
07:43<muhkuh>ok do i have to add another adress in the sources.list?
07:43<gsimmons>!tell muhkuh -about non-free sources
07:44<muhkuh>thanks =)
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07:55<muhkuh>looks like it works ^^ there are sooo much things to know using debian but it is a million times better than using suse's yast : D
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07:56<muhkuh>even if a lot of things dont work yet i like debian may i get it under control one day
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07:57<torrr>is mdadm the best way to do raid 5?
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08:02<bcochofe1>I'm having trouble with autofs and my usbdrive. I have auto.master and auto.removable set but I keep getting errors when trying to mount
08:04<kop>bcochofe1 : What errors?
08:04<kop>!pastebin
08:04<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
08:05<bcochofe1>http://rafb.net/p/O7f3Z126.html
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08:06<bcochofe1>kop: I have symlinks to /var/auto/removable/.. on /media and I'm trying to ls /media/usbdrive
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08:10<bcochofel>kop: do you need dmesg output?
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08:12<bcochofel>I have a lot of this messages: attempt to access beyond end of device
08:12<bcochofel>sda: rw=0, want=2031647, limit=2031616
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08:16<bcochofel>http://rafb.net/p/IUACQw10.html
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08:17<bcochofel>I have this kind of config on another pc and works
08:18<bcochofel>The difference it that I have sata devices on the other
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08:26<bcochofel>My autofs config for nfs drives works great, but for the usb disks no good
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08:33<linduxed>while you clear your firefox history quite often...is there any way to make your bookmarks ALWAYS show up in the navigationbar (like history)?
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08:34<fxiny>view > sidebar
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08:35<bcochofel>kop: do you know where I can get more debug options so I cam solve the problem?
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08:37<bcochofel>Can anyone help me with autofs? I have this http://rafb.net/p/O7f3Z126.html
08:38<bcochofel>And my syslog gets this: http://rafb.net/p/IUACQw10.html
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08:45<mosno>does smtp.gmail.com work for anyone else when sending from reportbug?
08:45<mosno>i'm using port 465 and smtptls optons, of course
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08:50<sooperkuh>there is no manpage for btmp (there is for utmp and wtmp), and I think a manpage really would be helpful. but: against which package do i file a wishlist bug for that?
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09:04<dwalin>hi, I tried to compile the kernel running actually on one of my boxes myself... its all working fine with the exception that the resulting installed kernel seems to have no lvm support ... what kernel compile option is needed for this ?
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09:08<Lynoure>dwalin: Not sure, but if your googling did not work, mine might :)
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09:13<Lynoure>dwalin: in menuconfig it's probably under Multi-device support (RAID and LVM), you'll need Device mapper support, at least.
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09:23<dwalin>Lynoure: hmm, Device mapper support is in there as module already, as its in the original kernel I installed with the image from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (etch-custom-1013.iso)
09:24<dwalin>but the new compiled kernel did not get the /dev/mapper/debian-root device :/
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09:26<Lynoure>dwalin: are you loading that module? I'd compile it into the kernel, just because, myself :)
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09:27<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: hello!
09:28<lucas_amorim>Nemoder: do you remember you guided me through the kernel compilation? Now I am out of space... how do I make the clean process you said??
09:29<linduxed>regarding firefox: i want my stuff in my bookmarks folder (both toolbar bookmarks and regular ones) pop up as autocompletion when you type an adress (where recently visited pages come up....or rather come down), how do i achieve that?
09:29<Lynoure>dwalin: my rule of thumb: If my system will not operate normally without the module, in it goes. But, yes, controversial topic, opinions vary and so on.
09:29*lupine_85 hugs initramfs
09:29<fxiny>hahaha
09:30<fxiny>like hugging an ectoplams :P
09:30<fxiny>swish !
09:30<Lynoure>hee :)
09:30<lupine_85>totally
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09:32<kurumin>nao consigo ativar o servidor samba cvom o kurumin alguem pode me dar uma mao?
09:33<lucas_amorim>!br
09:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:35<lucas_amorim>hello people, after installing a kernel from source by using kernel-package, how do I remove the files I don't need anymore?
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09:38<kurumin>nao consigo instalar o servidor samba no curumin7 ele ja vem pre instalado nem assim ele instala,alguem pode me dar uma dika
09:39<lucas_amorim>Kurumin: Este canal é apenas em inglês:
09:39<lucas_amorim>br!
09:39<lucas_amorim>!br
09:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:39<kurumin>obrigado
09:39<dwalin>Lynoure: hmmm, good question... I did not used linux on that level anymore for 8 years now, the original kernel loads it as module, but I do not where this is defined
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09:53<bcochofel>I need some help with autofs configuration. I can mount nfs but usbdrive keeps getting errors
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09:54<Mahalo>Howdy!
09:54<Lynoure>dwalin: lsmod shows if it is loaded. you can add it to /etc/modules to load by default
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09:55<muh2000>hi
09:55<muh2000>update of slapd failed: slapadd: dn="cn=Domain Admins,ou=Groups,dc=mydomain,dc=home" (line=99): (65) no structural object class provided
09:56<muh2000>what to do to fix that?
09:56<Mahalo>What do you folks think about a good firewall solution for a mobile laptop...I have to travel a lot and I'm loving my new install of debian, but have no portable linux experience...
09:56<avtobiff>iptables
09:56<avtobiff>just shut everything down that is from the outside, uninitiated from the inside
09:57<Mahalo>really...for mobile? Cool, I'll rad up on it. I have used it with Redhat 9 years ago so I just need to do some research
09:57<Mahalo>thanks avtobiff
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09:57<avtobiff>Mahalo, np
09:58<nielsle>I am trying to relabel an external USB harddisk with ext3 and I get the following
09:58<nielsle># e2label /dev/sdb1 /media/backupdisk
09:58<nielsle>Warning: label too long, truncating.
09:58<nielsle># e2label /dev/sdb1 backupdisk
09:58<nielsle>e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1
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10:00<nielsle>Sorry about flooding. Did the question come through should Ii repeat?
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10:01<chealer>nielsle: no, you were kicked after 5 lines.
10:01<file-exists-p>still haven't figured out how to make apt-get use another directory in place of /tmp
10:01<file-exists-p>(my /tmp is 16Mo, don't ask me why ...)
10:02<avtobiff>nielsle, paste in #flood or pastebin or something
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10:02<nielsle>I will try to write shorter instead :)
10:04<nielsle>I get the error "e2label: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1", but apart from that my ext3-USB harddisk mounts fine. But I am worried, because it is my backup disk.
10:04<nielsle>The error occurs when I try to relabel the disk.
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10:05<nielsle>My question is. Can I fix this error and how? or should I reformat to be sure?
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10:06<yoluca>uname -r = 2.6.23-1-686, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.23-1-686 = Couldn't find package
10:06<yoluca>any idea why ?
10:08<yoluca>my sorce.list is http://pastebin.ca/874905
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10:09<witte>yoluca: kernel 2.6.23 is not in etch
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10:10<yoluca>but thats the uname -r said
10:10<avtobiff>not in lenny either
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10:10<avtobiff>yoluca, have you installed it from sid?
10:11<avtobiff>it is only there 2.6.23-1-686 exists
10:11<dooder>latest version of linux-header packet seems to be 2.6.22-3 by checkin with apt-get install linux-headers*...
10:11<witte>yoluca: did you install an official debian netinstall?
10:11<yoluca>yeah official
10:11<witte>yoluca: how did you install the new kernel?
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10:11<witte>yoluca: in etch, the kernel is 2.6.18
10:11<yoluca>ohh shit no ... i have a custom debian net installer
10:12<yoluca>wls gave it to me
10:12<witte>!etch 2.6.23
10:12<dpkg>well, etch 2.6.23 is kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
10:12<witte>yoluca: ^^ that one?
10:12<yoluca>yeah
10:13<witte>yoluca: look at the cdrom if the newer kernel headers are included
10:13<yoluca>whats the Etch repository i need to get full nvidia and kernel drivers support
10:14<witte>yoluca: the etch repository you have is good, you just have a newer kernel, which makes it slightly more difficult
10:14<witte>!nvidia
10:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
10:15<yoluca>so why i have been told that using this custom debian installer from kenshi muto will run better on my laptop ?
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10:15<yoluca>i should stick with the original install
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10:15<witte>yoluca: because it has the latest hardware drivers
10:16<dooder>or with linux-heaer 2.6.22-3...
10:16<witte>the default etch kernel is quite old, and if you have a new laptop, it probably won't install
10:16<witte>dooder: those won't work on his 2.6.23 kernel
10:16<witte>!tell yoluca about nvidia_post_etch
10:17<dooder>then he has to change his kerne versio of course :)
10:17<yoluca>ok linux-headers are included on that cdrom
10:17<witte>yoluca: ok, install the headers from that cdrom
10:17<yoluca>just installed
10:17<yoluca>done
10:18<yoluca>should i run what dpkg just said ?
10:18<witte>and use the thing dpkg told you on the post_etch (because your kernel is post_etch) installation of the nvidia drivers
10:18<yoluca>ok
10:18<nielsle>Regarding the kernel headers. I think that kmuto describes this in a faq http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
10:19<witte>dooder: he cant go to 2.6.22, because that is not in etch, so he would have to go to lenny. For now, that is not needed
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10:19<yoluca>Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do │ │ you wish to proceed?
10:19<nielsle>He says: You can take it via APT after adding custom-CD to /etc/apt/sources.list by "apt-cdrom add". You can see it in pool/main directory also.
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10:19<dooder>just a different kernel source, where is the problem?
10:19<yoluca>witte ^^
10:20<yoluca>build-essential its installed ...
10:20<yoluca>but package nvidia-kernel-source failed
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10:21<witte>yoluca: can you put the full error message in a pastebin?
10:21<witte>!pastebin
10:21<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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10:22<witte>dooder: yes of course, that would also work, but i do not see the advantage in it
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10:22<dooder>witte: because its in the standard repository
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10:23<witte>dooder: the standard repository of lenny, which he hasn't, 2.6.23 is in the standard repository of sid, he could also use that one...
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10:24<dooder>apt-get dist-upgrade :)
10:24<witte>dooder: :-)
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10:24<daniele>ciao
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10:29<spq>flock hangs when called on a nfs mount, what could i do?
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10:30<ElJavo>Hi. I have debian etch, and im doing a security update of my system. I had this problem whitin the process
10:30<ElJavo>the system (debconf) toldme that there exist a new version of php.ini and asked me what to do
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10:31<seanius>what's in the diff?
10:31<ElJavo>so i selected "show diferences in both columns" (i have a spanish distro so i dont known the proper translation)
10:32<seanius>ElJavo: can you put the output in a pastebin page somewhere?
10:32<ElJavo>and debconf chrashed inmediately, now i have in the middle of installation and cant cancel or continue
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10:32<seanius>ew
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10:32<antehisys>hello
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10:33<ElJavo>no, just window sowed without chars, just the draw, and when i closed it, an error tolding that the process is not responding
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10:34<antehisys>how do i install java?
10:34<ElJavo>i dont know how to continue the update process, or cancel it. i used the graphical package that is used by default in gnome
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10:35<witte>ElJavo: ctrl c to cancel it
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10:35<witte>ElJavo: ah, you used synaptic :'(
10:35<witte>ElJavo: not sure that ctrl c will work there
10:35*Enfi|ade np: Venetian Snares - Sporto Fucking Sellout Cocksuckerface
10:35<ElJavo>witte: thanks
10:36<ElJavo>no i didnt use synaptic
10:36<ElJavo>it worked
10:36<seanius>Enfi|ade: wtf
10:36<ElJavo>just that package updater
10:36<Enfi|ade>woah, wrong channel
10:36<Enfi|ade>sorry guys
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10:36<witte>ElJavo: just run that program again to rerun the update, and see if everything installed
10:36<Enfi|ade>wrong network too
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10:37<ElJavo>the error ocurs when i select "swhow me the difference between archives"
10:37<gsimmons>!tell antehisys -about install java
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10:38<Enfi|ade>!tell Enfilade -about install flash
10:38<Christmas>!tell everybody -about installing everything
10:38<Christmas>:)
10:38<seanius>ElJavo: could try looking manually, the new version is probably somethinhg like php.ini.dpkg-new or similar
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10:39<ElJavo>now it tellme that the system is updated, but i cancelled some configurations :S
10:39<witte>ElJavo: I have seen a similar issue, and the plain difference (not next to each other) worked nicely, but i did not look into it
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10:43<ElJavo>ok everything seems to work fine. php is working so i dont touch anything more :o i dont know what happens with these canceled updates or configurations, that scares me a little... btw
10:44<ElJavo>thanks all
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10:45<seanius>ElJavo: you could try dpkg --configure -a to fix whatever didn't get configured
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10:46<ElJavo>seanius: thanks i'll do that with php related packages
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10:46<seanius>ElJavo: that's to fix things globally, don't need to provide any package names
10:47<ElJavo>ok!
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10:49<miono>Hi, I'm having a problem during installation... "No disk drive was detected." And it wants me to scroll through a list of drivers. I'm using 3 standard Seagata-drives S-ATA:
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10:50<pumpkin0>miono: go to the BIOS, switch the AHCI-Option and disable RAID. Then retry.
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10:50<miono>pumpkin0: Does that mean that I can't use AHCI during installation?
10:50<miono>Or at all?
10:50<pumpkin0>miono: you can use AHCI, but not together with a onBoard RAID.
10:51<miono>pumpkin0: Hm, okay, I'll have a look.
10:51<pumpkin0>miono: (at leat not w/o some hacks and tricks to get the RAID-Driver into the netinstall iso)
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10:52<miono>pumpkin0: "SATA AHCI Mode" can be either "Disabled" or "AHCI"
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10:52<pumpkin0>miono: anything about RAID ?
10:53<miono>pumpkin0: I also have "Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode" with options: "IDE" "AHCI" "RAID/IDE" AHCI is the one activated
10:53<pumpkin0>miono: sounds good. What chipset does that board use ?
10:53<miono>pumpkin0: hm, Intel P35 ?
10:53<miono>pretty sure it's intel p35
10:54<hever>Hi. I read the securing debian howto and read there are some patches to the standard kernel. For example there is a patch against buffer overflow. Why are the patches not installed by default on a new system?
10:54<miono>pumpkin0: or do you mean ICH9 ?
10:54<hever>or "prepatched"
10:54<pumpkin0>miono: P35/ICH9 should work in AHCI-Mode.
10:54<pumpkin0>miono: you never enabled a RAID ?
10:55<miono>pumpkin0: Nope.
10:56<hever>And does it make sense to install the most of them to improve security ?
10:56<pumpkin0>miono: the fast way out is to disable the AHCI-mode. The long way starts by checking for any BIOS-updates..
10:57<pumpkin0>hever: which patch do you talk about ?
10:57<miono>pumpkin0: If I disable AHCI-mode. Will I be able to use LVM later on with Hot-Swapping etc?
10:57<hever>pumpkin0: Ehm at the moment I'm just asking generally.
10:58<pumpkin0>miono: LVM will work no-matter-what. Hotswap (as in swapping drives while the PC runs) is a bugger. It should work with AHCI and IDE. But it often fails with both.
10:58<miono>pumpkin0: I have an option in BIOS: "SATA Port0-1 Native Mode"
10:58<miono>That can be set to enabled and disabled
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10:59<miono>pumpkin0: Enabled: "SATA 0-1 Work at Native IDE Mode" Disabled: "SATA 0-1 Work at Legacy IDE Mode"
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10:59<pumpkin0>hever: the debian kernel includes critical patches and the sec-repo will push out new kernels if a new critical bug is found. But only for critical, usable in the real-world bugs.
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10:59<pumpkin0>miono: enabled = AHCI.
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11:00<pumpkin0>miono: which mode did you test ?
11:00<miono>Enabled
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11:00<miono>pumpkin0: I also have a couple of SATA-ports that are controlled by a seperate chip, trying to change thatone to non-ahci and give it a new go.
11:01<pumpkin0>miono: stay on the main, chipsetcontrolled ports. These are more likly to work.
11:01<miono>pumpkin0: Yeah, I'm not using the other ports.
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11:02<masterus>hi
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11:04<miono>pumpkin0: that didn't change anything. In the list of drivers to choose there is an alternative called "AHCI"
11:04<miono>or "ahci"
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11:04<miono>pumpkin0: But when trying that one out I just get bounced back to the selection
11:05<pumpkin0>miono: do you really need the hotswap-option ?
11:06<miono>pumpkin0: No, I really don't. I'm just thinking that it would be cool to run the drives in AHCI to be benefitted from NCQ, Full SATA transfer-rate etc.
11:06<miono>Or have I misunderstood the whole AHCI-thing?
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11:07<pumpkin0>miono: the transferrate will be the same with and w/o AHCI. NCQ needs AHCI. Hotswap is a hot topic, i would not recommand it on consumer hardware.
11:07<pumpkin0>miono: w/o AHCI the controller turns into a IDE-UDMA-300 monster.
11:08<miono>pumpkin0: Okay, So for me, the only difference will be NCQ or not NCQ... But it's still strange, I haven't edited anything about RAID in BIOS
11:09<Mahalo>This is so much better than the help forums...YOu get to watch what people are doing in real time.
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11:10<miono>pumpkin0: at boot I get some info about iSrc 1.07 and "AHCI BIOS installed". Can I find a driver that'll work with iSrc 1.07 ?
11:11<pumpkin0>miono: did you ever use these drives for something else ?
11:11<miono>pumpkin0: Nope, brand new ones
11:12<Mahalo>Anyone know a good test (I dont know nmap yet) to do an initial test of the new iptable rules I have set up?
11:13<Mahalo>Not suprisingly, the ones I find online are M$ centric
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11:13<pumpkin0>miono: i'm out of ideas and would switch to IDE.
11:13<lupine_85>Mahalo: you can send data to a particular ip & port using netcat, and tcpdump to see if it's received
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11:14<miono>pumpkin0: Yup, I'm gonna try that now.
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11:15<Mahalo>lupine_85: Thanks, but all 65000 of them? Is there a script made that you know of?
11:15<miono>pumpkin0: and If I install IDE, I'm stuck with that right?
11:15<pumpkin0>miono: nope. You can switch later, but you have to edit fstab and the grub.menu by hand.
11:15<miono>Oh, well, Is it tricky?
11:16<lupine_85>Mahalo: nmap -p1-65535 <ip>
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11:17<pumpkin0>miono: change hdaX to sdaX ...
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11:17<miono>pumpkin0: okay
11:17<Mahalo>lunpine_85: Awesome, Many thanks! I am so digging my debian...never lhad any luck with older redhat/fedora/bsd distros...
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11:17<Mahalo>This has been as smooth as melted butter on mercury
11:18<lupine_85>Mahalo: try different -s options too, to see if you can get round the firewall
11:18<Mahalo>lupine_85: I'll man it fer sure
11:19<Mahalo>Thanks!
11:19<miono>pumpkin0: Disabled ahci, now the boot stops at "hda: lost interrupt"
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11:22<pumpkin0>miono: check for BIOS updates.
11:23<miono>pumpkin0: okay
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11:32<Mahalo>lupine_85: Hmm, OK http://pastebin.ca/875039
11:32<miono>pumpkin0: kan ACPI have anything to do with it?
11:33<pumpkin0>miono: if the BIOS is acting really wierd: yes. But i don't think so.
11:33<miono>koay
11:33<miono>okay
11:34<pumpkin0>miono: ableing ACPI is a bad idea, it removes all kinds of powersaving and fan-controll systems.
11:35<miono>disabling it you mean?
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11:36<keratacon>does anyone know how to set the scrollbars in gnustep / window maker to be on the left?
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11:37<pumpkin0>miono: err, right.
11:37<miono>okay
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11:38<witte>keratacon: which scroll bars? are you refering to the terminals scroll bars?
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11:42<Mahalo>brb
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11:46<Mahalo>lupine_85: You still there?
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11:47<panagos>is there a command line utility to transform from/to base64?
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11:49<Mahalo>OK guys and gals, have a great morning/day/eve/night depending on where you are! I'm outta here!
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11:49<linux01>what is a good ftp server to run a debian machine?
11:51<hathe|_>linux01: wu-ftpd, proftpd....
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11:52<linux01>i tried to install proftpd but maybe im missing something... i want to have multiple users ponit to same home directory
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11:52<fxiny>vsftp
11:52<fxiny>d*
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11:54<linux01>is that possible to do in proftpd or vsftpd?
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12:00<keratacon>witte the scrollbars in most application dialogues and windows.
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12:00<keratacon>i seem to remember using various linux *step implementations in the 90s and having the ability to have left handed scrollbars in all applications
12:00<keratacon>or maybe just all openstep applications
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12:07<miono>pumpkin0: Could it change anything If I install with a big CD instead of a netinstall
12:07<miono>?
12:07<pumpkin0>miono: no, the kernel is the same. you could try with one 1 drive.
12:07<miono>one hdd only?
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12:08<pumpkin0>miono: to iron out bugs in the controller that show up if it has 3x the same drive.
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12:08<miono>pumpkin0: Okay, If i manage to install on one drive. Is it possible to add two more drives and use them with LVM later on?
12:09<miono>pumpkin0: I'm thinking RAID 5
12:09<pumpkin0>miono: yes, but is will be a bit more complex then doing LVM from the start. Does the BIOS see the drives ?
12:09<miono>pumpkin0: yup
12:10<pumpkin0>miono: RAID5 on CPU is a tough call. You waste a lot of CPU-power and gain a little bit of performance. But you also get a bit redundancy. Your choice.
12:11<miono>pumpkin0: I'm using it for redundancy. The computer will be used as a fileserver.
12:11<war9407>raid5 on a modern cpu is like 1-2% of the CPU unless you are doing 500 megs/sec then its 10-30% :)
12:11<war9407>of one core that is
12:11<pumpkin0>war9407: for hardware RAID ... but he going software RAID.
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12:12<war9407>pumpkin0: I use SW raid5 with 10 raptors that does 0.5gigabytes/sec read & write
12:12<war9407>cpu 30-40% during 500mb/s read and write
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12:12<war9407>of 1 core of 4 cores (Q6600)
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12:16<miono>pumpkin0: "hda: lost interrupt" with only one drive installed aswell.
12:17<pumpkin0>miono: did you buy the cheapst available mobo ?
12:17<miono>Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3
12:18<miono>first I get "hda: max request size: 512KiB"
12:18<miono>And then "hda: lost interrupt"
12:19<pumpkin0>miono: BIOS version F12 ?
12:20<miono>how can I find out, looked for it in Bios but didn't find it
12:21<pumpkin0>miono: gigabytes show a version-string in the lowerleft part. It is only there during the memtest and ends with the BIOS-version.
12:21<miono>ok
12:21<pumpkin0>miono: use Scroll-lock to stop the mem-test.
12:21<miono>,k
12:22<pumpkin0>miono: => http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ProductID=2544
12:22<miono>It only says 00
12:22<miono>the two last digits of that string
12:22<pumpkin0>miono: oO
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12:23<miono>hum, the BIOS-update seems to be a .exe-file
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12:27<Vala>hi people. I have NVIDIA card with svideo. how do I use it? what should I install / enable?
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12:28<guillaume>testing:mldonkey-server fail to run under amd64. Any solution ?
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12:43<DiDko>hello
12:43<DiDko>anybody here ?
12:44<avtobiff>"no"
12:44<DiDko>can u guys help me to .
12:44<DiDko>install ..
12:44<DiDko>or bual-boot debian
12:44<DiDko>on my notebook
12:44<DiDko>with vista
12:44<DiDko>is it possible ?
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12:45<dooder>everything is possible, does it make sense though...
12:45<DiDko>:)
12:46<chealer>DiDko: if you tell us how, maybe.
12:46<DiDko>i tryed with that online installer
12:46<DiDko>but the installtion doesn't detect my Net Connection
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12:46<DiDko>to set up my win partition ..
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12:47<DiDko>for debian
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12:47<DiDko>i tryed a lot of defferent distro's
12:47<DiDko>but doesn't work properly
12:48<DiDko>Sabayon... not good for a fist time linux
12:48<DiDko>Ubuntu ... Didnt find my video card .. and didnt wanna boot
12:48<linux01_>sounds like your a newbie like me... i would recommend using some sort of virual machine to install debian on first untill u get a hang of it...
12:48<DiDko>and now i am thinking to try with debian
12:48<DiDko>:)
12:49<DiDko>can u tell me some more info about that virtual machine
12:49<DiDko>how it is work ?
12:49<linux01_>virtualbox.org
12:50<linux01_>its a small appilcation that you install on your vista machine and you can install any distro
12:50<linux01_>kinda like picture in picture on your tv
12:50<DiDko>cool
12:51<DiDko>and no way to screw ... my machine ?
12:51<DiDko>i mean my win
12:51<DiDko>?
12:51<linux01_>nope
12:51<DiDko>:)
12:51<DiDko>how will i have to boot linux ?
12:51<DiDko>from vista ?
12:51<linux01_>you download ISO's of any distro you want and virutalbox lets you use the iso file as cd
12:52<linux01_>http://virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/2-empty-vm-created.png
12:53<DiDko>cool man
12:53<DiDko>:)
12:53<DiDko>i will try that way
12:53<linux01_>yup its safe and you dont screw anything on your laptop
12:53<linux01_>or computer
12:54<DiDko>cool
12:54<DiDko>:)
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12:54<DiDko>debian is easyer than Sabayon right?
12:54<DiDko>:)
12:54<DiDko>because that sabayon i very beatifull but so complicated
12:55<devil>haha
12:55<linux01_>never tried sabayon always used debian but still a newbie so read up
12:55<linux01_>all depends on what you want to do
12:55<DiDko>nothing special
12:55<DiDko>just sruf the net
12:55<DiDko>surf
12:56<linux01_>haha why not use vista for surfing the net...?
12:56<DiDko>u know man vista is for lamers
12:56<DiDko>:)
12:56<DiDko>i don't like it
12:56<linux01_>ok
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12:57<DiDko>hey guys
12:57<DiDko>i am stucked here
12:57<DiDko>http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
12:58<DiDko>what version should i download
12:58<DiDko>Acer Aspire 5520
12:58<DiDko>notebook
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12:58<chealer>DiDko: is that "supported" by Debian 4?
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12:59<linux01_>http://get.debian.net/
12:59<DiDko>i dunno man
12:59<DiDko>brait new machine
13:00<linux01_>just download cd or dvd image... depending on how much HDD space you have on your machine
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13:00<DiDko>i have available like 150gb
13:00<DiDko>what is better ?
13:00<chealer>DiDko: do you mean brand new?
13:01<DiDko>chealer yeah man
13:01<DiDko>:)
13:01<shivraj>DiDko : some of those CDs are screwed up
13:01<linux01_>either one with get you started
13:01<chealer>DiDko: is it "supported" by Linux 2.6.18?
13:01<shivraj>or maybe I mislabeled a cd but it had an old kernel
13:01<DiDko>.............
13:02<shivraj>luckily I had one with 2.6.23-1
13:02<shivraj>thats the best one to get
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13:02<DiDko>thats what i had with sabayon ...
13:02<DiDko>:)
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13:02<chealer>DiDko: then you can try stable.
13:03<chealer>(assuming Sabayon worked fine)
13:04<DiDko>yeah man
13:04<DiDko>but too complicated for me
13:04<DiDko>2 weeks for the wireless
13:04<DiDko>and after that for the alsaconf ..
13:04<DiDko>it wannted to coplime my kernel manually
13:04<DiDko>and i screw something ..
13:04<SpeedyG>why? :)
13:04<DiDko>and FATAL error
13:05<DiDko>no sound
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13:13<dooder>omg, a mosfet on another mainboard exploded right now, god damn... i am doomed...
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13:15<panagos>dooder: what are you busy with?!
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13:15<dooder>what do you mean?
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13:16<dooder>i just exploded, man
13:17<dooder>maybe instabil energy source, but off topic anyways...
13:17<faclon>I had recently install debian etch on a compaq c502us laptop. The wireless was not detected a did a lspci and this is what it output for the wireless 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
13:17<faclon>may someone help me with that
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13:19<panagos>dooder: i mean, are you conducting exeriments or something? :D
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13:19<Jesse>hey, can anyone help me out?
13:19<panagos>dooder: btw, there is no topic afterall...
13:19<panagos>:P
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13:20<Jesse>hey, can anyone help me out installing some drivers?
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13:20<panagos>!ask
13:20<dooder>nope, no overclocking at all. i never get this mobo again. i am afraid of cpu and other components being fucked up..
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13:21<Jesse>?
13:21<chealer_>Jesse: not unless you tell us how you can be helped.
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13:21<Jesse>oh sorry
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13:22<dooder>i try to fix it, like i said, i am doomed...
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13:22<Jesse>i installed knoppix on my brothers laptop because his xp pro install totally screwed up and he is leaving back to school today and i cant get his wireless card to detect or his sound to work
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13:23<Jesse>it is a compaq presario v2000 running knoppix v3.7 (5.2 won't boot for some reason)
13:23<noflash>Jesse, try #knoppix
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13:23<noflash>on irc.freenode.net
13:23<Jesse>thanks
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13:23<shivraj>how do I set window edges to smooth in gnome
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13:25<shivraj>dooder : it pays to get a $179 mobo these days and a $79 processor but everyone is doing the opposite
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13:27<dooder>it was a supermicro p4sca with three isa slots which i really need, so it's not that easy to get another one...
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13:37<faclon>how can I verify is the kernel support bcm43xx drivers
13:37<avtobiff>check your .config
13:37<witte>faclon: modinfo bcm43xx
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13:38<faclon>witte, I am trying to enable the wireless on my laptop. I have a Broadcom so I read out that I will need bcm43xx-fwcutter
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13:39<witte>faclon: yes, you probably need firmware
13:39<faclon>there is where I am having the problem
13:39<witte>faclon: bcm43xx-fwcutter is probably in non-free
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13:41<faclon>I did apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter, It download and install it. It ask if I want to download the firmware I say yes, but then it don't download
13:42<witte>faclon: i do not use bcm43xx, but look at /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter/* (and especially README.Debian
13:42<faclon>thanks
13:44<witte>faclon: the bots are down, otherwise I could probably help you better
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13:45<faclon>I get the error when It try to resolve the host Resolving boredklink.googlepages.com... 209.85.141.118
13:45<badtux>oi
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13:49<witte>faclon: the site you mentioned works
13:49<faclon>yes, It need to download a file wl_apsta.o that is not in there
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14:16<fous>hello all
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14:17<fous>I would like some help...I am trying to set debian router
14:17<badtux>oi
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14:18<EmleyMoor>fous: Be less general
14:18<fous>well I like to use debian to be my router / firewall
14:18<fous>im wondering
14:18<EmleyMoor>It's certainly possible
14:18<fous>do I need X and also whats the best app of for ip masquerading
14:19<EmleyMoor>I haven't actually done it yet
14:19<fous>is it a lot of work ?
14:19<EmleyMoor>You do not need X on it unless it is also acting as a workstation
14:19<EmleyMoor>(and I would recommend it does not)
14:19<fous>ok
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14:19<EmleyMoor>Not sure about the masquerading
14:19<EmleyMoor>This is a job I want to do soonish
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14:20<fous>I find a few things out there that I can try out but
14:20<fous>right now I have dd-wrt and It runs nice
14:20<fous>but I still want debian as a firewall / router
14:21<fous>i am planing top place this box in a closet with gigabit ethernet see how I can admin that
14:21<fous>have more control
14:21<fous>and speed
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14:23<shivraj>what exactly do I need to do to install cupsys ?
14:23<fous>do u no any other linux base systems like smooth wall or something like that i can work with that has ip masquerading?
14:23<shivraj>printing would be nice
14:23<valdyn>!cups setup
14:23<valdyn>!setup cups
14:23<valdyn>!test
14:23<valdyn>lame
14:23<Mark17>hello, is it possible to replace a certain file on boot? (or to remove all lines after a certain line)
14:24<shivraj>valdyn : its not here
14:24<valdyn>shivraj: aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd, watch recommends / suggests, i dont know the driver package
14:24<valdyn>shivraj: then go to http://localhost:631/ and add your printer
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14:25<valdyn>Mark17: what for?
14:25<valdyn>fous: aptitude install ipmasq
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14:26<Mark17>a certain file off udev has to be replaced with a backup OR all lines after line 6 have to be removed on boot (before network start up)
14:26<fous>oooow ok after i install debian
14:26<valdyn>Mark17: that'S a fucked up idea
14:26<fous>I will add that but will I be able to ssh
14:26<valdyn>Mark17: what is the end of those ( fucked up ) means supposed to be?
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14:27<cory>hey guys how can I control the output in the terminal window for things like dpkg -l or searching the apt cache?
14:27<Mark17>valdyn: after i remove this lines it can start up the network and with the line i cannot startup the network, so it is a work around for the problem
14:27<lupine_85>cory: pipe to less ?
14:27<cory>what's the syntax for that?
14:27<lupine_85>apt-cache search mypackage | less
14:27<cory>cool
14:27<cory>thanks
14:27<valdyn>Mark17: what precisely is the issue with the network?
14:27<lupine_85>the stdout from apt-cache is passed to less as stdin
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14:28<shivraj>valdyn : it says enter username and password after adding the printer
14:28<valdyn>shivraj: root / roots_password
14:28<fxiny>fous: check shorewall and read shorewall-doc
14:28<shivraj>:)) this shit is a billion times better
14:28<cory>thank you for the help lupine works great
14:28<fous>really mmmmm ok brb
14:28<Mark17>valdyn: when i do not remove the lines it cannot start the network (cannot find mac listed in that file or something like that), after i remove these lines it can start up, so i am looking for a work around to solve it
14:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 342] by debhelper
14:29<valdyn>!z25
14:29<valdyn>Mark17: its the wrong workaround
14:29<Mark17>the z25 file is the file i need to edit
14:29<valdyn>Mark17: i have a feeling where this is going to
14:29<valdyn>Mark17: so hold on
14:29<fous>o wow thanks fxiny
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14:29<Mark17>valdyn: what is a better solution? dpkg isnt available at the moment
14:30<fxiny>fous: np
14:30<valdyn>Mark17: move the z45_persistent-net-generator.rules away or delete it, just make a note what you did to it so you know how to get it back
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14:31<fous>I wouldn't mind putting that on CF card or even
14:31<valdyn>Mark17: and simply delete the generated file z25_persistent-net.rules
14:31<fous>wait
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14:31<valdyn>Mark17: that was the proper work around, not messing with it on boot time
14:31<fous>is it better to have 2 nic cards gigabit?
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14:31<fous>even though the internet is 10/100
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14:32<valdyn>Mark17: mind though, if you have more than 1 nic there will not be any guarantee that device nameing will be static
14:32<valdyn>Mark17: but since your nic / nic driver are assigning broken MAC addresses you never had that feature anyway
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14:33<valdyn>Mark17: let me know if i got this wrong - im just guessing from your slim info
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14:34<valdyn>Mark17: if you have more than 1 nic there should be a better workaround.
14:34<bcochofel>Hi, I'm still trying to set my autofs usb drives but I can't. And can't seem to find the problem
14:34<Mark17>valdyn: it is in a vps guest, with a dynamic mac address
14:35<fous>fxiny shorewall is pkg for debian?
14:35<fxiny>of course
14:35<valdyn>fous: shorewall is complex and probably the most capable firwall framework around
14:36<fous>oooow
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14:36<fxiny>fous: shorewall and shorewall-doc
14:36<fous>very sexy
14:36<fous>ok I will dl that right now
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14:36<fxiny>fous: read/install the docs
14:37<fous>ok
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14:37<fous>its almost finish installing
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14:37<fous>I going to run cat5 or my cable modem in my closet
14:37<fous>give me a min
14:37<fous>also can I put debian on CF card?
14:38<fxiny>fous: a min ? no way : take your time reading ... :P
14:38<fous>lol ok
14:38<EmleyMoor>fous: Ideally, you want to have all equipment outside the firewall, and the firewall itself, out of reach
14:38<fous>yeah thats what I am going to do lol
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14:39<fxiny>fous: whatever you want to know is in shorewall docs : pretty diagrams included
14:39<fous>well I will read up on that
14:39<Mark17>valdyn: thank you it seems to be working
14:39*EmleyMoor has a plan in mind that he would implement if he had a house with an under-stairs cupboarxcd
14:39<bcochofel>Can somebody help me with the autofs setup? I can paste my config
14:39<EmleyMoor>cupboard
14:39<valdyn>Mark17: welcome
14:39<fous>not asking about that just wondering is it a good idea to have that setup on CF card thats my new question
14:40<valdyn>fous: probably not without heavy modification since cf wear down pretty fast due to overwrites, no?
14:41<bcochofel>http://rafb.net/p/O7f3Z126.html
14:41<EmleyMoor>A small hard disk for very variable stuff would be good - you could keep static stuff on CF or CD perhaps
14:41<fous>true
14:41<fous>ok a hard drive it is lol
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14:42<lupine_85>AspisOS > debian for small embedded stuff
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14:43<fous>yeah i have old hard ware / old pc that I am putting this on.... I find a lot of computers so I just want try this out
14:43<lupine_85>if you really wanted to do it with debian, then you basically use ramdisks for all the volatile places (especially /var)
14:43<hauke>hi! One short question: How can i get wine-0.9.45 for debian sid?
14:43<lupine_85>then mirror the changes back over to the CF at hardware shut down
14:43<hauke>i use 0.9.53 atm but it doesnt work with warctaft3
14:44<hauke>45 did
14:44<fxiny>the emperor has no clothes : CF sucks
14:45<lupine_85>I think that the ability to have an entirely solid-state PC is anything /but/ sucky
14:45<Christmas>yep i had the same problem hauke
14:45<Christmas>0.9.49 seemed to work best for warcraft, at least for me
14:45<fxiny>they break down easy
14:45<Christmas>you can compile from source if you want
14:45<hauke>ok - k...so how can i get 0.9.49 debs for sid? ^^
14:45<hauke>hm...any binaries around?=
14:46<Christmas>you better download the source from sourceforge
14:46<valdyn>hauke: .47 works fine with warcraft3
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14:46<valdyn>hauke: .44 works fine with warcraft3
14:46<valdyn>hauke: 47 DOESNT
14:46<Christmas>and compile it yourself, just make sure to install all the development packages "apt-get build-dep wine"
14:46<iury__>hey
14:46<iury__>dpkg isn't up
14:46<iury__>so
14:46<valdyn>hauke: .44 should be in testing
14:46<iury__>anyone could help me with public key not available
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14:47<valdyn>hauke: and .53 is somewhere in debian too iirc, probably experimental
14:47<valdyn>hauke: and works too
14:47<fous>do u no where I can get debian woody?
14:47<hauke>yes, it works in single player
14:47<valdyn>hauke: and multiplayer
14:47<hauke>but it disconnects from multiplayergames as soon as it starts
14:47<valdyn>hauke: for me anyway on b.net
14:47<hauke>bnet games
14:47<imperia>guys in which package was 'aclocal'?
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14:48<hauke>damn, the debianservers are slooow today...
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14:48<valdyn>hauke: many apps / games depend on which windows version you set wine
14:48<fxiny>lupine_85: i don't like hd or plastic . the idea of a solid state is perfect
14:48<hauke>16 kb/s
14:48<hauke>set to win2k
14:48<fxiny>but CF are not "solid" at all
14:49<shivraj>how do you view pictures from a camera ?
14:49<shivraj>gphotofs ?
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14:49<valdyn>hauke: mine is set to winxp
14:49<valdyn>hauke: i didnt play alot with that for wc3
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14:49<hauke>kk. i'll try downgrading to 44 and use winver=winxp
14:50<hauke>how can i speed up my .deb download? it is 16 kb/s and doesn't come up
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14:50<valdyn>hauke: use a different mirror
14:50<hauke>sounds logical :) thanks
14:51<shivraj>how do I mount my digital camera ?
14:51<valdyn>shivraj: its an usb storage device?
14:52<shivraj>yes
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14:54<hauke>where can i see which mirrors i could use?
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14:54<Supaplex_>!tell hauke -about mirrors
14:54<bcochofel>Can anybody help me debugging the autofs errors?
14:55<hauke>atm my sources.list says i use ftp.de.debian.org
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14:56<bcochofel>Here's my config and the error I get: http://rafb.net/p/O7f3Z126.html
14:56<lupine_85>fxiny: does a CF card have mechanical moving parts?
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14:57<bcochofel>Supaplex_: I can mount nfs by none of the usb drives
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14:58<bcochofel>s/by/but
14:58<galileo>Hello, has anyone got any luck with splashy on Lenny ? I installed it through apt-get and I am only able to see it freeze at startup
14:59<mzhang>has blackdown java ceased operation? I can not open any webpage or ftp link to it,
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15:01<hauke>can i use etch-debs in sid?
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15:01<fous>whats the command to take the cd off of source of app download
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15:02<hauke>@fous: uncomment it in /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:03<galileo>@fous: comment out the corresponding line in your /etc/apt/sources-list
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15:05<hauke>can i use etch-debs in sid?
15:05<fous>i want to get rid of cd source
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15:09<galileo>any luck with splashy ??
15:09<shivraj>how do I see pictures from my camera ?
15:09<dooder>hauke: not recommended cause of dependency problems, i guess
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15:10<galileo>whois fous
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15:11<muhkuh>does anyone know a nice open src RPG?
15:12-!-user01 [~user01@adsl-68-74-106-247.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #debian
15:12<muhkuh>Or another nice 3D one?
15:12<dondelelcaro>muhkuh: have you played wesnoth?
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15:12<ikkaro>hi
15:12<dondelelcaro>(not strictly an rpg, it's really a turn based strategy game, but...)
15:12<muhkuh>i'm looking for a one where i can run by myself
15:12<ikkaro>i've to make a reposiroty for cisco configuration
15:12<muhkuh>isnt this a mouse pointing game?
15:13<ikkaro>anyone can help me ?
15:13<ikkaro>or give me a correct way
15:13<dondelelcaro>muhkuh: alternatively, apt-cache search rpg; will give you some ideas.
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15:14<muhkuh>yeha that's nice thanks =)
15:14<panagos>is there a discussion group (in irc/jabber/etc preferrably) about free software licenses in general, and gpl in particular?
15:14<ikkaro>dpkg is the worse package manager i've never seen
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15:16<Supaplex_>!tell ikkaro -about sucks
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15:16<ikkaro>ok
15:16<mikkie>hello nedd help with my exim config
15:16<ikkaro>someone that read the general
15:16<muhkuh>trying openrpg now ....where can i find out what i have to type in console to start it?
15:17<dondelelcaro>muhkuh: dpkg -L openrpg;
15:17<fous>what u mean who is fou?
15:17<dondelelcaro>mikkie: best to just ask your question
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15:18<mikkie>i´d like to forward all emails which I get to a user to another mail (like gmx)
15:18<mikkie>exim is version 3.34
15:18<ikkaro>i think u can use a filter
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15:18<mikkie>cant install newer because of architecture
15:18<ikkaro>in the user mail folder
15:18<user01>i wonder if you can install debian on macbook air
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15:19<mikkie>i am searching for hours
15:19<mikkie>aha
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15:19<mikkie>?
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15:20<dondelelcaro>mikkie: so add a ~/.forward for your user with contents like foo@gmx.de or whatever.
15:20<mikkie>hmm?
15:21<dondelelcaro>mikkie: if you want to forward all messages sent to your user to foo@bar.com, you drop in a ~/.forward with 'foo@bar.com'
15:22<mikkie>yeah
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15:22<mikkie>but its all just concole
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15:22<mikkie>console#
15:22<dondelelcaro>mikkie: so?
15:23<mikkie>where do i have to change?
15:23<mikkie>because i noob
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15:23<mikkie>:-(Ä
15:23<Supaplex>we've heard that excuse before ;)
15:23<dondelelcaro>you have to create a ~/.forward with whatever address you want to forward to.
15:23<muhkuh>did anyone play openrgp in here?
15:23<dondelelcaro>echo 'foo@bar.com' > ~/.forward; will create it, as well as nano ~/.forward
15:23<muhkuh>i mean rpg ^^
15:25<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: we should call it nooberday (caturday, permasunday, etc)
15:26<mikkie>aha into the homeDIR
15:26<mikkie>and inside just write the adress where to?
15:26<mikkie>so easy?
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15:27<mikkie>but how does Exim know about that?
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15:27<mikkie>just from the filename?
15:27<N2ghtCrawler>I am thinking of setting up a bind dns server for my home network, most for educational purposes. Do i really nead a slave server then?
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15:28<dondelelcaro>mikkie: yes, it knows the user it is delivering too, and since it can read that file, that's how it knows.
15:29<mikkie>wow
15:29<dondelelcaro>mikkie: every MDA that I know of in Debian obeys .forward files
15:29<mikkie>linux is a nice thing
15:29<dondelelcaro>(and .procmailrc files, too)
15:29<mikkie>that is a SH4-Arch
15:29<mikkie>its a something debian but nobody knows what exactly
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15:30<mikkie>not very much soft for it etc
15:30<mikkie>no grafix
15:30<mikkie>sometimes u get it fast
15:30<mikkie>sometimes u need days
15:31<mikkie>not the best thing to start with
15:31<mikkie>haha
15:31<mikkie>but Im trying
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15:31<mikkie>thanx guys
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15:33<dmg>can some one help me install me opengl ?
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15:36<valdyn>dmg: already installed if you got the nvidia drivers working
15:36<dmg>i cant get them to install too
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15:37<HiP_P>just quick question is the uk ftp down?
15:37<Maulkin>Hi
15:37<Maulkin>Quick answer: yes
15:37<valdyn>dmg: opengl is pretty useless without those drivers
15:37<valdyn>dmg: and nvidia opengl is part of those drivers.
15:37<HiP_P>ta Maulkin
15:38<Maulkin>HiP_P: use the.earth.li instead for the time being if you need to
15:38<dmg>valdyn: i know that , the main problem is i cant get the nvidia drivers to install
15:38<valdyn>dmg: so why the hell ask about opengl?
15:38<dmg>valdyn: because im noob
15:39<linduxed>huge problem: when i adjust the volume on my laptop in too rapid fashion (2-3 clicks/sec) the entire computer dies in an instant
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15:40<valdyn>linduxed: try newer kernel and/or alsa drivers
15:40<linduxed>valdyn: how do you get a new kernel then
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15:40<valdyn>linduxed: uname -r
15:40<dmg>valdyn: last night some people tried to help me update my kernel using root , i dont know if this makes any sence but we couldnt get it to load 100%
15:41<linduxed>valdyn: 2.6.22-14-generic
15:41<valdyn>dmg: no, what you are saying doesnt make sense
15:41<valdyn>linduxed: that is not a debian kernel
15:41<dmg>valdyn: we enabled the non-free and i kept getting some files are broken
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15:41<valdyn>linduxed: /j #ubuntu ask there, or whereever your distro is supported
15:41<linduxed>valdyn: ok thx
15:41<valdyn>dmg: i think i told you before that i cant help you without precise error messages
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15:43<valdyn>dmg: you know cut & paste, use it :)
15:43<dmg>valdyn: how do i enable non-free?
15:44<valdyn>!test
15:44<dpkg>Test Failed.
15:44<valdyn>!non-free
15:44<dpkg>hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
15:44<valdyn>!non-free sources
15:44<dpkg>non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
15:44<HiP_P>Maulkin: thank you once again
15:44<dmg>!vrms
15:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :)
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15:45<dmg>do i need to do apt-get install vrms in root?
15:46<HiP_P>bye bye
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15:47<valdyn>dmg: apt-get does not install anything without root permissions
15:47<dmg>yeah noticed that
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15:48<dmg>!non-free-source
15:48<dmg>!non-free-sources
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15:48<dmg>!non-free sources
15:48<dpkg>hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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15:50<dmg>i get Permission denied when i try /etc/apt/sources.list
15:50<Maulkin>dmg: edit it as root
15:50<dmg>i am in root
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15:52<dmg>what am i doing wrong ?
15:53<Nemoder>you have to specify which editor you want to edit it with
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15:53<dmg>Nemoder: how do i do that
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15:53<Kebianizao>Hello
15:54<Kebianizao>I think I've found a bug in gdb, I have it crashing on either testing or unstable version
15:54<philipp>is virtualbox os?
15:54<Kebianizao>but I don't know how to look for valuable info for reporting
15:54<Nemoder>dmg: nano is a good text editor, try installing that then run nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:55<Kebianizao>the problem occurred when I was trying to debug a kexi(koffice DB tool) crash
15:55<dmg>its alreaady installed
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15:55<dmg>i add non-free after deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main?
15:56<fatih>hallo
15:56<fatih>i have a problem
15:56<fatih>my debian is not on vmware
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15:58<dmg>i enabled non-free in the list
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15:58<dmg>and ran apt-get update
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15:59<dmg>how do i load my nvidia drivers ?
15:59<Nemoder>try installing nvidia-glx
16:00<dmg>Nemoder: whats the line i need to type?
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16:00<dmg>apt-get nvidia-glx install?
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16:01<dmg>valdyn: if you can help me load this i can tell you what the error is
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16:04<dmg>can some one help me load nvidia-glx?
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16:07<Kebianizao>this is how far I get with gdb when attaching to the process: http://paste.debian.net/47865 , any idea?
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16:12<Supaplex>Kebianizao: if it's a bug you think someone else can reproduce, attach 'bt full' traces (if possible) when using reportbug. if you don't have any idea how to fix it, another developer will
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16:15<Kebianizao>Supaplex: bt full of what? gdb/the app?
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16:16<Supaplex>the buggy program
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16:17<Kebianizao>Supaplex: :) well, I think the bug is in gdb, not in the app, in that last paster, the sigsegv comes from gdb
16:17<Kebianizao>I've never found such a crash in gdb
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16:18<xemacs>kernel bug ?
16:18<Kebianizao>xemacs: good point, I'm using 2.6.24
16:18<xemacs>ohmy
16:18<xemacs>that was just a guess
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16:19<Kebianizao>xemacs: how do you think it could be a kernel bug?
16:19<Kebianizao>I wouldn't have suspected it
16:19<xemacs>can you downgrade to stable kernel ?
16:19<Kebianizao>.24 is stable, ...well final
16:20<Kebianizao>.23 worked as hell for me
16:20<xemacs>are you running etch ?
16:20<Kebianizao>but, well I could try, I think
16:20<Kebianizao>xemacs: sid
16:20<KRStjAN>hi, i do not know the command to reconfigere the X-Window. I need to change to 640x400...
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16:20<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: what debian?
16:20<xemacs>sid bugs are very hard to cind
16:21<KRStjAN>gnome
16:21<xemacs>find
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16:21<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: etch/lenny/sid?
16:21<Kebianizao>xemacs: why do you think that?
16:22<xemacs>#1 it could be anywhere !! bad build ........ bad build , bad library ...............
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16:22<KRStjAN>ne@Kebianizao: No, It was another command. there you can choose. the same as the beginnig while installing debian.
16:22<xemacs>!sid
16:22<dpkg>the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>
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16:23<Kebianizao>xemacs: it happens on both testing and sid gdb versions
16:23<Kebianizao>that could support your kernel bug theory
16:23<KRStjAN>i think it was a command like dpkg ...
16:23<Kebianizao>a kernel bug is clearly out of my scope
16:23<xemacs>plz try etch !! thgen you have found a real bug !!!
16:24<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: where did you install debian from?
16:24<Kebianizao>xemacs: I won't downgrade to etch for this
16:24<KRStjAN>? i used a net cd.
16:24<Kebianizao>kri
16:24<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: ok
16:24<xemacs>Kebianizao, make a chroot
16:24<KRStjAN>but i do not want to install again.
16:25<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: which video card do you have?
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16:25<KRStjAN>it is not the card.
16:25<Kebianizao>xemacs: well, I'll see if that's worthwhile
16:25<KRStjAN>it is just a simple command in the shell. i fergot the command.
16:25<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: xrandr?
16:25<xemacs>KRStjAN, ctrl-alt + or - changes screen resolution
16:26<KRStjAN>the i start the script to change all optional displays.
16:26<KRStjAN>the = then
16:26<KRStjAN>the display i wanted to choose is not avaivible.
16:26<KRStjAN>because i do not check it wile installing debian.
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16:27<xemacs>swith to console and reconfiger xorg
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16:28<xemacs>KRStjAN, this should all be covered in installation manual
16:28<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: gnome-randr-applet
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16:28<KRStjAN>no, it was a command and the the option --reconfig
16:29<Kebianizao>KRStjAN: try with that gnome applet. install it and try
16:29<xemacs>dpkg --reconfigure xorg
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16:30<KRStjAN>i have no x-window....cause the size is not correct.
16:32<xemacs>KRStjAN, dpkg-reconigure pkgname
16:32<xemacs>my bad
16:34<Kebianizao>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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16:35<KRStjAN>yes!!!
16:35<KRStjAN>thanks :)
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16:35<xemacs>and i helped ;)
16:35<xemacs>yw
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16:36<xemacs>Kebianizao, why do you need testing/unstable debian ?
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16:38<Kebianizao>xemacs: becuase I like running latest software, I couldn't stand seeing how kde is releasing 3 or 4 versions after me
16:38<Kebianizao>xemacs: also I'm on a quite new laptop and I need latest linux releases as well
16:38<Kebianizao>xemacs: and I like tsting new features ;)
16:39<Kebianizao>xemacs: I even had to run 2.6.24-rc4 because otherwise I wouldn't be hearing any sound
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16:39<Tarcas>How is .24? I saw the release is HUGE.
16:40<xemacs>Kebianizao, next time buy 1 year old hardware ! it works better and is less buggy/far cheaper
16:41<Kebianizao>xemacs: why should I? I wanted 2GB ram and core2 duo that's quite new
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16:41<dmg>how do i stop my xserver?
16:42<xemacs>Kebianizao, okee not sure what you need that exta power for
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16:43<Kebianizao>xemacs: I wanted being able to virtualize, and also not having to swap. Swapping takes you some extra power
16:43<Kebianizao>also now that kde4 has been released, I wanted to try it. That means running 2 Xservers, one with kde3 and another with kde4
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16:44<Kebianizao>that could have been harder on my older 512MB ram laptop
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16:44<xemacs>Kebianizao, enjoy, just telling you my opinions
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16:44<Kebianizao>xemacs: and I answer in case there's something I can learn from you ;)
16:44<Kebianizao>brb
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16:47<dmg>xemacs: can you help me ?
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16:48<xemacs>dmg, yes in abit
16:48<dmg>im trying to install my nvidia drivers
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16:48<Aleric>What is a good temperature for warm milk?
16:49<dmg>xemacs: i followed this http://synapse.wordpress.com/2006/03/25/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-in-3-steps/ but i need xserver not runing
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16:49<Aleric>60 degrees?
16:49<dmg>xemacs: how do i stop it ?
16:51<Tarcas>dmg: /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg stop
16:52<dmg>Tarcas: use nano?
16:52<Tarcas>from the shell. nano is an editor. You don't need a script for this.
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16:54<dmg>Tarcas: bash: /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg: No such file or directory
16:55<petemc>dmg: ctl alt f1 , /etc/init.d/gdm stop
16:55<Tarcas>cd to /etc/init.d and look for something that looks like xserver... you may not be running xorg.
16:56<Tarcas>petemc: will stopping gnome really stop the x server as well?
16:56<Kebianizao>Aleric: ?
16:56<Aleric>yes?
16:56<petemc>the xserver doesnt have an init script, the display manager does
16:57<Kebianizao>Aleric: weird question here, don't you think?
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16:57<Aleric>Debian users don't drink milk?
16:57<petemc>i guess it worked
16:57<Tarcas>interesting that my desktop has an xserver-xorg script.
16:57<petemc>Tarcas: you're not runnign debian
16:57<Tarcas>I certainly am.
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16:58<root>ciao
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16:58<petemc>!find /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg
16:58<root>qualche italiano
16:58<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/xserver-xorg' returned no results.
16:58<Kebianizao>Aleric: I'd say 40º C
16:58<Kebianizao>!it
16:58<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
16:58<root>grazie mille
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16:59<Aleric>Kebianizao: That's hardly warm... I think 60 degrees Celcius
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16:59<Kebianizao>Aleric: 40 is warm, 60 is hot
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16:59<Tarcas>!find /etc/init.d/gdm
17:00<xsiriusx>w ubuntu
17:00<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/gdm' returned no results.
17:00<xsiriusx>w linux
17:01<petemc>dpkg -S /etc/init.d/gdm
17:01<petemc>gdm: /etc/init.d/gdm
17:01<dpkg>There is no record of a /etc/init.d/gdm package
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17:02<Supaplex>failing dpkg -S, apt-file search
17:02<petemc>the bot should do something similar with find
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17:02<Tarcas>right.
17:02<petemc>Tarcas: are you disputing thats how it works on debian?
17:04<Tarcas>no, just confused that I was accused of NOT running debian because I have the /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg script. I'm quite sure I am, and quite sure I didn't write the script myself.
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17:04<petemc>Tarcas: oh, i have one too
17:04<petemc>silly me
17:04<Tarcas>dpkg -S /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg
17:04<Tarcas>xserver-xorg: /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg
17:04<dpkg>You Fool! /etc/init.d/xserver-xorg is installed!
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17:05<Tarcas>lol @ dpkg
17:05<dmg>petemc: that command didnt go well
17:06<dmg>how do i go back now ?
17:06<petemc>dmg: /etc/init.d/gdm start
17:06<Tarcas>dmg: Are you referring to losing X when you stopped gdm?
17:06<xemacs>use start instead of stop
17:06<dmg>yes
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17:06<Tarcas>then do what petemc said.
17:06<dmg>Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdmGDM already running. Aborting
17:07<petemc>ctl alt f7
17:07<Tarcas>And you will lose X when you stop the X server to do your changes. Anything you can't do in X has to be done from the CLI.
17:08<dmg>my resolutions are realy low
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17:10<dmg>its already runing but i cant change resolutions higher then 640-480
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17:10<dmg>if i restart computer is it ganna go back to normal ?
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17:11<petemc>did you install the nvidia driver? did you change the config?
17:11<Tarcas>dmg: depends on your config files. What have you changed?
17:12<dmg>i havnt changed any thing i just followed this http://synapse.wordpress.com/2006/03/25/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-in-3-steps/
17:12<dmg>and it didnt work
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17:12<dmg>even when i stoped the xserver
17:12<Aleric>dmg: You should have tried mine: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/nvidia.html
17:12<AbsintheSyringe>how can I check when was the last time I made dist-upgrade
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17:13<mzhang>any idea to use openmp in etch?
17:13<witte>AbsintheSyringe: look in /var/log/dpkg.log
17:14<witte>AbsintheSyringe: but that will only show when you last installed packages, so if you normally do a apt-get upgrade, and only occasionally a dist-upgrade, it wont help
17:14<Tarcas>dmg: did you read the 2nd comment under that howto?
17:14<mzhang>!openmp
17:14<dpkg>The OpenMP (Open Multi-Processing) is an application programming interface (API) that supports multi-platform shared memory multiprocessing programming in C/C++ and Fortran on many architectures.
17:14<mzhang>!libgomp
17:14<mzhang>!lib64gomp
17:15<AbsintheSyringe>witte, yeh, that's what I wanted to, just to how long has it been since I did dist-upgrade
17:15<dmg>Tarcas: yes , didnt we stop xserver?
17:15<Tarcas>dmg: did you run the 3 steps while it was stopped?
17:16<petemc>dmg: that guide is nearly 2 years old
17:16<witte>!nvidia
17:16<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:16<witte>Look at the above for a recent nvidia guide
17:17<dmg>Tarcas: i had to do that when my screen went black ?
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17:19<dmg>why did i lose my resolutions?
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17:24<lupine_85>that's not funny. my mother died that way
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17:24<Kebianizao>dpkg: /etc/init.d/gdm is on gdm package
17:24<dpkg>okay, Kebianizao
17:24<ranix>wtf tweakt
17:24<ranix>what are you doing
17:24<lupine_85>!opts
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17:24<lupine_85>lol
17:24<lupine_85>!ops
17:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
17:25<lupine_85>/ignore ftw, anyway
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17:39<knoppix__>yo
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17:43<Kebianizao>bye
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17:49<N2ghtCrawler>does rndc automaticly install when i install bind?
17:50<padski>N2ghtCrawler: I think so. try dpkg -L bind9
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17:51<N2ghtCrawler>Humm i got /usr/sbin/rndc so it probably did then
17:54<Aleric>WEEW... I am glad I did builtin that test :^)
17:54<Aleric>hikaru:~/projects>cd ~/projects; ./restart; ./newproject2; cd "/home/carlo/projects/libcwtl/libcwtl-objdir"; source ../env.source; configure; make
17:54<Aleric>The directory "$CWPT_PROJECTS/$CWPT_PROJECTNAME" (/home/carlo/projects/ircproxy) cannot be created: it already exists.
17:55<Aleric>Otherwise it would have wiped out 'ircproxy' :?
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17:57<avtobiff>!nvidia
17:57<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:57<avtobiff>!nvidia one-liner
17:57<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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17:57<avtobiff>!nvidia_post_etch
17:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:01<noflash>!tell avtobiff -about self tell
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18:01<avtobiff>:-)
18:02<noflash>;)
18:02<avtobiff>np
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18:04<Aleric>Does anyone know which command is responsible for this output:
18:04<Aleric>format: png, adding :gd
18:04<Aleric>format: cmap, not adding anything
18:04<Aleric>dot?
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18:05<xemacs>search png library source for the message ?
18:06<Aleric>My real question is: how do I suppres that? I'm flooded with it when I run doxygen.
18:06<xemacs>are you converting files from graphics formats ?
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18:07<Aleric>not from
18:07<Aleric>doxygen generates png images
18:07<xemacs>redirect stderr ?
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18:20<avtobiff>!tell me about nvidia_post_etch
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18:25<joyfulgirl>Hi all...random question. I've finally caved and am trying to experiment with GNOME, etc., but even after installing GDM, my machine doesn't seem to boot to it (I've installed this setup for someone else and it worked out-of-box), and when I try to run gdmconfig (after starting X like I normally do), it tells me that GDM isn't running--and even after I do `/etc/init.d/gdm restart' (or `... start'), I still get this error. Any ideas?
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18:29<witte>joyfulgirl: "ps aux |grep dm"
18:29<witte>joyfulgirl: you should see if you are running gdm, kdm, wdm, xdm or none of the above :-)
18:30<joyfulgirl>witte: Nothing useful; it's definitely not running
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18:30<witte>joyfulgirl: what do you see at logging in? a gui or not?
18:30<witte>joyfulgirl: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
18:31<joyfulgirl>witte: Just my usual command-line.
18:32<witte>joyfulgirl: try the dpkg-reconfigure gdm first, than, have a look at /etc/rc2.d/
18:33<witte>joyfulgirl: in that directory there should be a S99gdm file
18:33<joyfulgirl>witte: I did, actually, with the output "Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed."
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18:34<joyfulgirl>witte: Oh, okay...for some reason it's S30. I s'pose I should try moving it.
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18:35<joyfulgirl>...?
18:35<witte>joyfulgirl: 30 is early i think, but i am not sure if that is the problem
18:36<witte>anyhting in /var/log/gdm.log?
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18:36<joyfulgirl>witte: Fair enough. Ugh, see, this is why normally I stick with stuff like stumpwm...at least I know what to do there. Just a sec.
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18:36<witte>joyfulgirl: wait, i have aS21gdm
18:36<joyfulgirl>witte: /var/log/gdm/ is an empty dir, and there/s no /var/log/gdm.log
18:37<witte>joyfulgirl: but i use kdm, so i am not sure if this is just there because it is installed
18:37<joyfulgirl>witte: Hmm.
18:38<witte>joyfulgirl: even stranger, gdm was no longer installed, that file shouldn't be there at all :(
18:39<joyfulgirl>witte: Did you purge it, or just remove it? That might be the problem
18:39<witte>I just removed it, but I installed it to check on the files
18:39<joyfulgirl>witte: Oh, hm.
18:40<witte>joyfulgirl: what was the exact output of /etc/init.d/gdm start?
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18:40<witte>joyfulgirl: S30gdm seems to be correct
18:41<joyfulgirl>"Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm" followed by the special % sign that I think means someone forgot a newline
18:41<witte>joyfulgirl: :-), when installing apt-listbugs showed no relevant errors
18:42<joyfulgirl>witte: Hm. Are you using Testing, Stable, or Sid? (I'm on Testing, I s'pose I should've mentioned)
18:42<witte>joyfulgirl: I'm on sid
18:42<joyfulgirl>witte: Hm, okay
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18:43<Aleric>joyfulgirl: I'm on testing, and using gdm ... if there something you want to know about the content of a file here.
18:43<Aleric>is*
18:43<joyfulgirl>Aleric: I'm just trying to figure out why it doesn't start at boot after I installed it on a whim...
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18:44<Aleric>You can start it manually after booting?
18:45<joyfulgirl>Aleric: Not successfully. It claims it's starting, but doesn't actually seem to run.
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18:45<witte>joyfulgirl: startx works?
18:45<joyfulgirl>witte: Yup, no changes there. I'm looking at irssi in screen in xterm
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18:46<witte>joyfulgirl: you can just use another dm, kdm or wdm or so
18:47<witte>joyfulgirl: you don't need gdm to run gnome
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18:49<peanuts132>im a super noob but im trying to make a program that blinks and glitches to go with my beep sequences
18:50<joyfulgirl>witte: Yeah, I was just sort of hoping it would work, since I know how to configure it once it's running and such (I have a hard time with mouse-controlled things like GNOME, but am installing it since someone else will be using this computer too for a while. *sigh*)
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18:51<witte>joyfulgirl: it should work, i just have no clue where to start debugging, and there are alternatives :-)
18:51<joyfulgirl>witte: True that. Thank you anyway!
18:52<peanuts132> i jus kinda wannna know if i should go python or java
18:53<peanuts132>i saw some cool interfaces done in java but i want konsole based glitches
18:54<peanuts132>raw level glitches and beeps
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18:56<witte>peanuts132: if you want console stuff, I would not go for java
18:57<witte>peanuts132: probably you can even do it in your shell
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18:59<peanuts132>i gotta figure out how to make color blocks and stuff to go with th e beeps
19:00<Aleric>peanuts132: sounds more like ncurses
19:01<Aleric>Oh wait - ncurses is C.
19:02<gravity>There's very likely ncurses bindings to just about any language you care about though
19:03<gravity>Although I have no idea what "glitches" means
19:03<witte>peanuts132: I think i have seen what you want in the zsh shell which is standard with grml
19:03<witte>!grml
19:03<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/
19:03<gravity>Or... debian
19:03<gravity>chsh is soooooo hard
19:04<peanuts132>is there a program that show what the processes are doing in the shell
19:04<gravity>peanuts132: What do you mean "doing"?
19:05<peanuts132>like matrixin down the screen
19:05<gravity>You can list all your processes with ps (-A). There's pstree to see what processes spawned others.
19:05<gravity>Uh....
19:05<witte>peanuts132: you could try this zshrc (first install zsh in your system, and run it in a shell): http://www.grml.org/zsh/zshrc
19:05<gravity>peanuts132: Maybe try top?
19:06<gravity>peanuts132: I hate to break it to you, but console interfaces aren't really galmorous
19:06<gravity>glamorous even
19:08<peanuts132>ill just play more core wars
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19:08<shivraj>hi I need to print in CUps
19:09<shivraj>the printing is really bad
19:09<shivraj>I have an HP 5150 printer Deskjet
19:09<streuner>What is "bad"?
19:09<shivraj>I am using the deskjet drivers
19:09<shivraj>streuner : photo printing
19:09<shivraj>well its good ... but not comparable to windows
19:09<streuner>check out linuxprinting.org (whats the quality for serveral issues)
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19:11<streuner>http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_5150
19:12<lupine_85>lol@buggy program
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19:35<Mahalo>Howdy!
19:36<g3m1n1>hello
19:37<Mahalo>Anyone have any killer custom desktops? I would like to put all of my desktop icons into an app so they don't take up a lot of room...what do y'all use?
19:37<Mahalo>not an app...a...panel or something
19:38<peanuts132>make the icons big and they look nice in a panel
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19:38<peanuts132>if you have lots of ram there is a couple of good 3d desktops and cool window fx
19:39<Mahalo>I have less than agig...
19:39<Mahalo>older laptop for my test machine.
19:40<Mahalo>Will be putting Debian on a desktop soon,
19:40<Mahalo>Going through learning pains on the laptop
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19:40<peanuts132>if your using gnome you can customise the panel
19:40<Mahalo>I freaking LOVE it....(Debian) so far.
19:41<Mahalo>awesome.
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19:42<Mahalo>I have gnome, and I dld GTK2+ also...
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19:43<Mahalo>I'm only angry that I got frustrated with redhat and bsd a few years ago and didn't do anything else.
19:43<g3m1n1>i can't get my resolution higher than 1024x768, can't seem to figure out why either...
19:43*Mahalo is going into listen mode
19:44<peanuts132>im stickin with gnome on debian im gonna erase everything kde
19:44<Mahalo>I tried KDE on those old installs...and liked gnome better then too. Now everything is super easy...
19:45<Mahalo>but I'm learning by using command line rather than gui so I know how things work.
19:45<g3m1n1>anyone have any ideas about why my resoluton is fixed at 1024x768?
19:45<Mahalo>I even picked up my first Python book today.
19:46<Mahalo>Sorry, g3...I'm here to learn
19:47<peanuts132>cant you go to system>preferences?
19:47<g3m1n1>yeah, but my only choice in Screen Resolution is 1024x768...
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19:47<Mahalo>Video card? Monitor restictions?
19:48<peanuts132>trippy dude
19:48<g3m1n1>video is a geforce fx go5200
19:48<Mahalo>(not physical...kernel)
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19:48<g3m1n1>monitor supports 1280x1024
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19:48<g3m1n1>...and i'm using the nvidia driver
19:48<Mahalo>kk...hmm...
19:49<Mahalo>nvidia...just saw a similar issue recently. LEt me check my logs and see if it was here on irc
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19:49<g3m1n1>i went through http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
19:49<witte>g3m1n1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and make sure you select the correct resolutions
19:50<witte>g3m1n1: or you can manually add 1280x1024 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
19:50<peanuts132>sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
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19:54<Mahalo>Hey speaking of sudo...where is the sudoers file? I always su - first...
19:54<witte>!tell Mahalo about sudo
19:54<witte>!tell Mahalo about visudo
19:55<Mahalo>OK OK ... I get the hint. ;) Thanks
19:55<g3m1n1>ok, i ran the dpkg cmd, time to see if it worked :)
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19:57<Mahalo>I would like to have an archinve of all of the silly questions we (noobs) ask on this chanel...I have seen more resolution in less time here WITH explanations even than I can find anywhere.
19:57<Mahalo>And a lot of good prodding to RTFM
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19:58<Clumsy_Roo1>greetings
19:58-!-Clumsy_Roo1 is now known as Clumsy_Root
19:58<Mahalo>Howdy
19:58<Clumsy_Root>hello there.
19:59-!-mode/#debian [+l 321] by debhelper
19:59<Clumsy_Root>just for chatting purposes: anyone tried the new stable kernel?
19:59<Clumsy_Root>i'm running it right now, seems much smoother.
19:59<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: I'm sure someone, somewhere has. Try #debian-offtopic, or #linux on irc.freenode.net
19:59<peanuts132>i like 400x600
19:59<Clumsy_Root>aw, alright.
20:00<Clumsy_Root>strict topics <.<
20:00<Maulkin>!offtopic
20:00<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic
20:00<Clumsy_Root>alright, alright
20:01<Maulkin>!offtopic =~ s/$/ on irc.freenode.net/
20:01<dpkg>Maulkin: that doesn't contain '$'
20:01<Maulkin>!offtopic =~ s/debian-offtopic/debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net/
20:01<dpkg>OK, Maulkin
20:01<Maulkin>!offtopic
20:01<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net
20:01<Mahalo>dpkg: Thanks SO much for the help last night re: java...
20:01<dpkg>Mahalo: no worries
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20:01<Maulkin>Clumsy_Root: you were told this on Freenode :)
20:01<Clumsy_Root>yeah, but they seem tighter on freenode ^^
20:02<Maulkin>'They' are often the same people :)
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20:02<Clumsy_Root>i see. it's just that i'm kinda hyped about it, wanted to share it with someone :P
20:03<Clumsy_Root>and well, the off-topic chans are kinda deserted. oh well
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20:06<g3m1n1>so i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it didn't fix my resolution issue. i'm using Generic Monitor as my monitor, think that's the problem?
20:07<witte>g3m1n1: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin?
20:07<witte>!tell g3m1n1 about paste
20:07<Mahalo>Other than the man on nmap, is there antoher good resource you guysand gals know about that has good information?
20:07<g3m1n1>ok, one minute
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20:10<g3m1n1>witte: http://paste.debian.net/47876 & http://paste.debian.net/47877
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20:13<witte>line 412 in your log file says "(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x1024"; removing."
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20:14<Mahalo>Peace out! Gotta run.
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20:14<g3m1n1>interesting, does that mean that using Generic Monitor for "Monitor" is restricting the video card?
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20:16<witte>g3m1n1: identifier is just a name, you could have called is "Anakin Skywalker" if you wanted, it would give the same result
20:16<g3m1n1>i see
20:17<witte>g3m1n1: maybe you should add HorizSync and VertRefresh values in your monitor section though
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20:18<zack^_^>crossover ??
20:18<witte>or alternatively, you could change the default depth to 16 (if your monitor is not very new)
20:18<g3m1n1>it's a laptop, inspiron 5150. maybe 3 years old
20:18<zack^_^>anyone knows abour crossover ???
20:19<witte>!crossover
20:19<dpkg>from memory, crossover is a proprietary piece of software that allows x86 linux users to use some Windows Netscape plugins with Netscape/Mozilla/Konq. I'd give you a link, but I don't like spam. :-P, or a different wiring for CAT5 cabling, that allows you to hook 2 ethernet cards directly together with no hub in between. For more information, see http://www.gcctech.com/support/doc/crossover.html
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20:20<chealer>g3m1n1: which Debian suite do you use?
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20:23<g3m1n1>i'm using 4.0r2
20:24<chealer>g3m1n1: what's your laptop's native resolution?
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20:24<g3m1n1>1280x1024
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20:25<Arcy>moin
20:26<Arcy>some1 awake ?
20:27<witte>g3m1n1: are you sure about the native solution, a lot of people seem to use teh 1024x768 resolution
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20:29<chealer>g3m1n1: as witte asked. what's the ratio?
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20:30<g3m1n1>well, when running Windows it uses 1280x1024
20:30<g3m1n1>ratio?
20:30<chealer>g3m1n1: that doesn't necessarily mean it's the native resolution.
20:30<chealer>g3m1n1: does the screen's proportions look like a good old CRT screen?
20:32<g3m1n1>it's a 4:3 screen, if that's what you're asking
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20:33<chealer>g3m1n1: 1280x1024 is not 4:3. try figuring out the native resolution.
20:33<witte>chealer: xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log: 02:10 <g3m1n1> witte: http://paste.debian.net/47876 & http://paste.debian.net/47877
20:33<chealer>witte: yeah...did I miss anything there?
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20:35<witte>g3m1n1: according to a manual i found on the www for the dell inspiron 5100 and 5150, the max resolution depends
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20:36<witte>1024 x 768 at 16.8 million colors (XGA); 1400 x 1050 at 16.8 million colors (SXGA+); 1600 x 1200 at 16.8 million colors (UltraSharp UXGA)
20:36<g3m1n1>right, dell typicall has differnet choices for lcd screens...perhaps it is only 1024x768....
20:37<witte>g3m1n1: you could try 1400x1050
20:37<chealer>g3m1n1: it's supposed to be either 1,400x1,050 or the extrafine 1,600x1,200
20:37<g3m1n1>yeah, worth a try i guess
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20:37<istoc>Hi, could someone help me with dnsmasq? I'm unable to get an ip with a computer connected to the correct interface. I think I have it set up correctly. The process is running and I uncommented the lines I needed. Thanks.
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20:38<g3m1n1>thanks for the help and ideas
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20:40<gsimmons>istoc: Please provide your /etc/dnsmasq.conf file at a paste site.
20:40<gsimmons>!paste
20:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
20:40<istoc>Sure, one second.
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20:42<istoc>Here's the paste: http://pastebin.com/m2756aa9c
20:44<noble->anyone know if it's possible to run linux on a seperate hard drive from Vista? At the same time, no dualboot?
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20:45<witte>noble-: you could run one of the two in a virtual environment (somethign like vmware)
20:45<noble->Vmware runs on vista?
20:45<witte>noble-: don't know, maybe it runs in vista?
20:46<noble->hehe
20:46<noble->thanks witte
20:46<witte>noble-: i meant vista runs in vmware...
20:46<witte>:-)
20:47<noble->I want to keep running vista on this HD, but I want to run debian on my other hard drive at the same time. I wasn't sure if it was possible without dual booting
20:47<noble->both at the same time on one pc
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20:48<witte>noble-: not without virtualization i think
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20:49<noble->does that reduce anything?
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20:50<chealer>noble-: speed and reliability, at least.
20:50<witte>noble-: available memory as well
20:51<noble->2 gigs ram, dual cpus
20:51<noble->should handle decently I'd think
20:52<witte>noble-: 2gigs, is that enough for vista :P
20:52<noble->lol
20:52<noble->nice one
20:53<noble->thanks for helping guys, I'm just trying to avoid having to purchase parts for seperate box
20:53<gsimmons>istoc: Can't see anything amiss, provided you've specified the correct interface to listen for requests on. Check that DHCPREQUESTs are being received from clients in your syslog. Also verify that you haven't inadvertently blocked DHCP traffic through use of a packet filter/firewall on your dnsmasq host.
20:55<istoc>gsimmons: How do I check if the requests are being recieved? All I've been doing is reading the RX column in ifconfig for the interface.
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20:55<gsimmons>istoc: Like I said, syslog. Grep for 'dnsmasq'.
20:59<Nemoder>if you want to see everything going through you could run tshark
21:00<istoc>gsimmons: It's complaining the interface doesn't exist (I have to bring it up after boot) then it complains that "no address range availible for DHCP request".
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21:02<user01>how is it if my router is forwarding torrent ports to one computer that i can still download torrent on another?
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21:04<Defilade>upnp?
21:05<GhostlyDeath>Where do I get the last few synaptic logs?
21:06<witte>GhostlyDeath: /var/log/dpkg.log shows a bit
21:06<GhostlyDeath>damn I need to be root to open the file
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21:07<GhostlyDeath>thanks witte
21:08<gsimmons>istoc: You'd ideally want to configure your interface to be brought up during boot, as you've instructed dnsmasq to bind to it.
21:09<istoc>gsimmons: I've tried adding auto eth1 to interfaces but it doesn't seem to bring it up. Are there any other ways to do that?
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21:16<GhostlyDeath>witte: Needed these logs because someone else was using the computer and just hit cancel on all the configuration boxes
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21:22<gsimmons>istoc: Please provide the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and `ifconfig -a' at a paste site.
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21:23<istoc>gsimmons: I think just now I may have toasted one of my hard drives. Im gonna have to mess around in the boot settings for a bit. Thanks for the help.
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21:32<rhulsker>anyone here familiar with a linux kernel bug that results in seeing processes more than once in the process list?
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21:42<gene2>hello
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21:43<gene2>i'm running etch and i really need glibc 2.4 or higher, is there some way I can upgrade to it, without upgrading to lenny?
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21:43<gene2>anyone alive?
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21:44<Supaplex>why would you need a newer glibc than what's already in etch?
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21:45<gene2>i have to use a library that was built against glibc 2.4, therefore when i launch the binary that uses this app, it complains staying that this library need glibc 2.4
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21:46<gene2>i don't have the source code and it is not available, therefore it is impossible for me to recompile for glibc 2.3.6
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21:46<Supaplex>well, normally <chroot install> is overkill, maybe there's a LD_PRELOAD fixup for that (but i don't know)
21:48<gene2>not really familiar with LD_PRELOAD
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21:49<peanuts132>how do i start writing a program
21:49<Supaplex>!ld_preload
21:50<Supaplex>!custom libs
21:50<dpkg>to load custom libs not specified in /etc/ld.so.conf, set the variable LD_PRELOAD= to the full path to the lib you want to "preload". If you want access to a whole dir of libs (for mozilla), set LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead.
21:51<Supaplex>peanuts132: all depends on the langauge you want to write it in
21:51<peanuts132>im looking at python i want them to look like die hard 4 programs
21:52<Supaplex>what's a die hard 4 program?
21:52<Supaplex>well.. there is the python channel, I'd try there
21:52<peanuts132>like in the movie the progreams they have
21:52<peanuts132>ok thanks
21:53<gene2>Supaplex: what would this do for me, what is the difference between this preload and actually having the path to the library and running ldconfig?
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21:55<Supaplex>gene2: ld.so.conf is more invasive. LD_PRELOAD is less so, it'll only affect the app(s) you're running. It sounds like it could load a totally different glibc - can't hurt to try that first.
21:55<Supaplex>as long as it's installed some place else :)
21:55<gene2>i actually have a box running lenny
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21:56<gene2>unfortantly the other box is not 64bit
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21:56<spike_linux>holaaas
21:57<spike_linux>:O
21:58<Lucky>Has anybody here encountered a new volume being larger than the underlying block device if that block device is encrypted with LUKS?
21:58<shivraj>I added the .ppd file for my printer now its out of ink :(
21:59<shivraj>whats a 64 bit system ?
21:59<shivraj>does it actually run faster ?
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22:01<gene2>was that a joke?
22:01<tekninja>has anyone experienced wireless card freezing system (etch) on connect attempt?
22:01<tekninja>and/or know a workaround?
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22:01<Lucky>I.e. when I format a new 1.7 TB volume, df shows it as a 1.7 TB volume if LUKS is not involved, but shows it as a 1.9 TB volume if I first encrypt the device with LUKS. Where are those extra 200GB coming from?
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22:02<gsimmons>tekninja: That's a new one. What wireless card/device, driver and system (eg. laptop make/model) are you using?
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22:03<tekninja>inte pro/wireless 2915abg on acer travelmate 800LCi...
22:03<tekninja>it sees the wireless card, sees the network, but on connect attempt system freezes
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22:03<tekninja>ipw2200-fw-3.0
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22:04<chealer>shivraj: did you check Wikipedia?
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22:04<chealer>gene2: yes
22:05<shivraj>chealer : no
22:05<tekninja>gsimmons: driver is ipw2200-1.2.2
22:05<shivraj>2^33 :)
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22:08<shivraj>if my swap space is 8 gb can it be 64 bit ?
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22:10<kop>I just added non-free to my sources.list and I still can't seem to find the emacs docs. Where'd they go?
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22:10<tekninja>did you apt-get update first?
22:10<kop>tekninja : Yeah. (aptitude update)
22:10<tekninja>hmm
22:11<tekninja>where did you add the non-free
22:11<tekninja>in sources
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22:12<kop>tekninja : I've a mirror. Maybe I'm not mirroring non-free? I'd better check. Thanks for the help.
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22:13<tekninja>wow this is impressive
22:13<tekninja>three times in a row wireless connect/activate has froze my system
22:13<tekninja>tried wifi-radar and the standar gnome network manager
22:14<gsimmons>tekninja: So you experience a system freeze/lock when the radio is activated?
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22:14<kop>tekninja : Well, that's not it. I should be mirroring non-free.
22:14<tekninja>gsimmons: yes
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22:15<tekninja>gsimmons: althought this is the first time I just tried to activate it, not even connect
22:15<kop>tekninja : sources.list says: deb ftp://debian.example.com/debian/ etch main non-free
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22:16<kop>tekninja : (Slightly modified because I don't have the bandwidth for people to hit my mirror.)
22:18<gsimmons>tekninja: I've no idea. Other than ensuring you have the most recent BIOS revision in use on your laptop, try asking in #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net for assistance. Failing that, search through the ipw2100-devel mailing list archives.
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22:18<tekninja>kop: are those source packages or compiled
22:18<tekninja>on your mirror
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22:19<kop>tekninja : It's a deb line, so binaries.
22:19<tekninja>gsimmons: thanks
22:19<kop>tekninja : I've both sources and binaries on the mirror. I'm only excluding archs.
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22:20<morphixFDL>#FDL06_1
22:20<tekninja>kop: my understanding was if there are sources you have to reference deb-src instead of deb
22:20<tekninja>but i could be wrong
22:20<shivraj>do the 2.6.23-1 kernel images support multiple processors ? I have amd x2 3800+
22:20<shivraj>just wondering
22:21<Defilade>they all support smp now dont they?
22:21<Defilade>all the new ones, that is
22:22<shivraj>I guess ... my computer works fast enough
22:22<Defilade>:)
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22:22<shivraj>if a console gets messed up is there a way to reset it ?
22:22<kop>shivraj : reset?
22:22<shivraj>ie running cat /dev/sdb.....
22:22<Defilade>messed up in what way?
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22:23<shivraj>all the characters are messed up in that console alt+f3
22:23<kop>shivraj : Try typing "reset".
22:23<shivraj>kop : thanks :)
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22:24<kop>tekninja : I've got the sources in sources.list too.
22:24<Defilade>shivraj: uname --all will tell you if it supports smp
22:24<kop>I've search debian.org and I still can't find emacs docs for etch. (Excepting the lisp tuitorial. I just want the regular info file.)
22:26<tekninja>kop:
22:26<tekninja>does this help? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emacs21/+bug/73840
22:27<tekninja>i know it's for ubuntu but it sounds like your problem
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22:27<morphixFDL>#FDL06_1
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22:28<enouf>kop: "/msg dpkg apt-file" do those steps then $ apt-file search doc/emac
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22:31<tekninja>out of curiousity which irc clients do you guys use
22:31<enouf>!info emacs-wiki etch
22:31<dpkg>emacs-wiki: (Maintain a local Wiki using Emacs-friendly markup), section web, is optional. Version: 2.72-1 (etch), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 932 kB
22:32<kop>enouf : Been there, done that. :-)
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22:33<kop>enouf : the README.debian says that the GFDL docs have been moved out into another package, but does not say what package. :-(
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22:33<morphixFDL>#FDL06_1
22:34<kop>enouf : The trouble with apt-cache, aside from returning too many hits, is that I'd expect the docs to be in /usr/share/info or some such place. They are info files....
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22:35<tekninja>does anyone know why after a norton ghost image restore fsck of the root filesystem fails?
22:35<enouf>kop: i see a emacs22-common-non-dfsg pkg
22:36-!-mzhang [~mzhang@adsl-75-33-235-87.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
22:36<enouf>but i'm on lenny/sid
22:36<slaxfdl_>pedro,[digita /j #FDL06_1]
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22:37<enouf>kop: also pkg docbook2x - Converts DocBook/XML documents into man pages and TeXinfo, may eventually help you, not sure
22:37<kop>enouf : It's there for emacs21 in etch. Thanks! Dunno how I missed it until now.
22:37<enouf>kop: ;-)
22:38<slaxfdl_>pedro,tas me vendo?
22:38<morphixFDL>tow
22:38<slaxfdl_>sr. morphixFDL!!!!
22:38<morphixFDL>digitei isso mas não foi
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22:38<kop>!tell slaxfdl_ -about br
22:39<slaxfdl_>[digite /j#FDL06_1]
22:39<slaxfdl_>ignore os ]
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22:39<morphixFDL>pow num tá entrando
22:40<morphixFDL>temq digitar esse colchete tbm?
22:40<kop>!br
22:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:40<slaxfdl_>naum
22:40<morphixFDL>e pq num quer entrar?
22:40<slaxfdl_>calma
22:40<slaxfdl_>[digite /j #FDL06_1]
22:41<slaxfdl_>sem colchete
22:41<morphixFDL>já digitei trocentas vezes
22:41<morphixFDL>não vai
22:41<slaxfdl_>separado
22:41<morphixFDL>então
22:41<morphixFDL>do mesmo jeito q tá aí
22:41<slaxfdl_>deixa eu ver
22:41<thepretender84>!help
22:41<chealer>shivraj: they all support multiple processors, but 486 uses only one.
22:42<kop>!tell thepretender84 -about ask
22:42<thepretender84>!br
22:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:42<enouf>!es
22:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:43<shivraj>chealer : are you kidding me ? I have 486
22:43<chealer>shivraj: no
22:43<kop>shivraj : No, he's not kidding. I ran debian on a 486 until recently.
22:44<shivraj>what should I use ?
22:45<shivraj>I have an amdx2 3800+
22:45<shivraj>I need 2.6.23-1 for my sata hd
22:45<shivraj>this is crazy
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22:45<chealer>shivraj: -k7 or -686
22:45<shivraj>my other computer has a 2.6 ghz p4 but if this one runs faster that would be great
22:46<shivraj>2.6-686?
22:46<chealer>shivraj: you can just install linux-image-686
22:47<chealer>shivraj: maybe -amd64 too
22:47<shivraj>I doubt that my hd will work
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22:49<tekninja>whta is the best way to backup a linux install
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22:49<shivraj>chealer : hd works .... dont know what kernel hd wasnt working with
22:50<shivraj>strange
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22:53<shivraj>how can I see both cpus working ?
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22:59<shivraj>well mpstat -P ALL shows two cpus
22:59<shivraj>system seems faster :)
22:59<shivraj>thanks guys
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23:11<Lucky> /ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
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23:25<ubd>hello
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23:25<dmg>hey
23:26<ubd>i have a debian xfcfe test cd i want to make the most simple installatin =after a base install xfce
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23:26<ubd>which apt i shiukd install
23:26<ubd>should
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23:31<muhkuh>i wanna watch an encrypted DVD what beside the libdvdcss will i need?
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23:32<muhkuh>usual DVD's allready work
23:33<dmg>!nvidia
23:33<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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23:35<muhkuh>oh strange the titlemenu works the film itself does not ^^
23:37<muhkuh>i surrender 4 the moment : )
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23:39<IOREK>does anyone know how to install f-prot on knoppix?
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23:39<DaCapn>what's the best way to remove the /etc files for a software package using the package management tools?
23:40<sun>hi how can i take about 100 2mb image files and generate some emailable size (200k approx) images from them?
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23:41<dondelelcaro>sun: use imagemagick's convert with appropriate options for the images
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23:41<DaCapn>yes, imagemagick convert is awesome
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23:52<kapil>how does one prevent aptitude from re-creating its "tag database"? while working on a slow machine this really takes time :-(
23:52<sun>truly amazing! i just got through batch, exactly what i wanted, thanks so much!!!
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23:55<kapil>DaCapn: does "dpkg --purge -a" not work for you?
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23:56<chealer>muhkuh: a DVD player
23:56<muhkuh>nope
23:56<kapil>DaCapn: oops. should be "dpkg --purge <packagename>". the "-a" option will purge do this for all packages.
23:56<dmg>why is debian not allowing me to open .run file?
23:56<muhkuh>bought allready two of that trash things they hate me they never work for me ^^
23:57<muhkuh>it's always remixed thenn *chch*
23:57<chealer>dmg: your user probably doesn't have required permission to read that file.
23:58<dmg>i have root password isnt that enough ?
23:58<chealer>muhkuh: I meant an application that can read DVD-s, but considering what you wrote later you already have that, so you should need nothing.
23:59<muhkuh>hmmmm ^^
23:59<muhkuh>tried Mplayer kaffeine vlc totem...... : D
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23:59<chealer>dmg: more or less. shells won't ask the password of a user with the rights, they'll just refuse. but you can login as root and then open them, of course.
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