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---Logopened Fri Feb 01 00:00:01 2008
00:00<twb>Obviously backing up an entire block device is usually foolish; normally you would backup at a file level (e.g. tar, rsync).
00:00<ranix>I have the most experience with dump
00:00<gsimmons>samer: AFAICT, your wireless device contains a Ralink RT2573 chipset, for which native drivers exists. You can use one of these instead of ndiswrapper if you want.
00:00<gsimmons>!tell samer -about rt73
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00:01<ranix>samer: stay away from ndiswrapper unless it's absolutely necessary
00:01<samer>oO ok
00:01<samer>what's the alternate way :)
00:01<ranix>samer: and if it is necessary, consider returning the wireless card for one which can use native drivers
00:02<twb>samer: building a native driver using m-a
00:02<ranix>!tell samer about module-assistant
00:02<samer>yea i insalled linux-wireless something from the modules with m-a
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00:03<shivraj>samer : I downloaded that driver from and the instructions are pretty clear
00:03<samer>are you talking about the one with the 3 directorys?
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00:04<shivraj>samer : yes
00:04<twb>shivraj: doing anything a vendor tells you to is usually a quick way to fuck up your system
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00:04<samer>i got the modules installed, but i can't get the other parts working
00:04<twb>For example: my boss installed a printer driver (the idiot), and it overwrote /usr/bin/lpr
00:04<shivraj>twb : usually not always .. how is it gonna fuck your system up ?
00:04<samer>and my wireless usb is still off
00:05<shivraj>samer : according the README there's a lot of configuration
00:05<twb>!tell twb -about rt73
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00:05<shivraj>samer : take some time and try to get the configuration correct
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00:06<ranix>shivraj: try doing the nvidia driver install the nvidia way and see how quick that goes belly-up
00:06*samer tries again with dlink drivers
00:06<ranix>or try to install anything in cups
00:06<ranix>gah cups
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00:09<shivraj>ranix: I did config my cups with manufacturer driver
00:11<shivraj>ranix : admittedly it was a bitch
00:11<ranix>shivraj: you have a higher tolerance for pain than I do
00:11<ranix>I took one look at the cups interface last summer and uninstalled it on the spot
00:11<shivraj>samer : did you do modprobe rt73.o ?
00:11<ranix>I'll install a driver locally and just print with lpr or lprng, thanks
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00:11<samer>no i'm going through the steps to install rt73
00:11<shivraj>samer : after that you can use iwconfig to configure it ...
00:11<samer>kk :)
00:11<shivraj>samer : what step are you on ?
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00:12<twb>ranix: I just do ssh someone-elses-box lpr <foo.pdf
00:12<samer>make all
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00:14<shivraj>samer : do you have the dos2unix program like it says ?
00:14<ranix>twb: I didn't know you could just feed lpr a pdf
00:14<jello>.sb clear
00:15<ranix>I guess it makes sense now that I think about it
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00:15<twb>ranix: it depends on whether you'
00:15<twb>ranix: it depends on whether you're using cups :P
00:15<samer>shivraj: i don't think i have it
00:15<shivraj>samer : you need it, it has to do with how lines are delimited in a file in unix
00:15<shivraj>samer : or so I think
00:16<shivraj>never used that before
00:16<shivraj>samer : check on google
00:16<sk8deamon>got a question does anyone know how to create something like ubuntu from debian like wut software is involved
00:16<sk8deamon>and if therees any documentation
00:16<ranix>you should be able to just pipe through tr for dos2unix
00:16*samer checking
00:16<shivraj>sk8deamon : hehe
00:17<ranix>tr -s \n \n\r or something
00:17<sk8deamon>shivraj u indian
00:18<shivraj>sk8deamon : yeah
00:18<sk8deamon>me too
00:18<sk8deamon>names sree
00:18<jello>sk8deamon: search for cdd on
00:18<sk8deamon>nice to meet u dude
00:18<sk8deamon>thanks jello
00:18<jello>!tell sk8deamon about cdd
00:18<shivraj>sk8deamon : why in the world do you want to make your own distro, if you have to ask dont bother, that thing is supported by an entire community, they were too liberal for the debian community
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00:19<jello>ranix: it should be \r\n
00:19<jello>CR == \r, LF == \n
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00:20<sk8deamon>i want to create a desktop interface
00:20<sk8deamon>like bumptop
00:20<sk8deamon>i have programmign background nothing in desktop interfaces
00:20<sk8deamon>so trying to start
00:20<shivraj>sk8deamon : what do you mean desktop interface ? no console ?
00:21<samer>grr, where do you get dos2unix
00:21<samer>i went to a site that looped me through pages o_O
00:21<twb>apt-get install
00:21<sk8deamon>well have u seen bumptop
00:21<sk8deamon>similar to that but not sure where to start
00:21<user01>how to a get access to a ntfs disk?
00:22<gsimmons>!tell user01 -about ntfs
00:22<samer>twb: apt-get doesn't have it
00:22<sk8deamon>and so thought i start with debian or ubutnu
00:22<jello>samer: apt-get install tofrodos
00:22<twb>dpkg -l dosutils
00:22<dpkg>ii dosutils 3.7-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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00:22<twb>How curious.
00:23<user01>gsimmons, i installed fuse under "computer" i see the disk but it wont allow me to mount
00:23<DaCapn>no wonder he can't find it, it's an ultra s3kr1t debian package
00:23<samer>twb: thanks :)
00:25<gsimmons>user01: Are you intending to just read from your NTFS partition, or both read and write?
00:25<karlos>ermm, is kde better than Gnome??
00:26<twb>karlos: no.
00:26<user01>gsimmons, read and write probably was going to try to run it in virtualbox
00:26<samer>5> $cp rt73.bin /etc/Wireless/RT73STA/ # copy firmware
00:26<samer>i odn't have the destination on my machine
00:26<samer>i don't know where to find it
00:27<karlos>twb: Why?
00:27<twb>samer: that sounds like an evil vendor path, written by someone who hasn't used a Unix-like OS. But ICBW
00:27<twb>karlos: 無
00:27<samer>so where do i find the real one :o
00:27<karlos>twb: : O
00:29<twb>gsimmons: you pointed to rt73, but that describes itself as a legacy driver. Is there any reason samer shouldn't m-a a-i rt2x00-source?
00:29<shivraj>samer : skip that step
00:29<shivraj>samer : we will use iwconfig for configuration
00:30<twb>shivraj: rt73.bin is apparently the evil binary blob
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00:30<shivraj>twb : heh..
00:31<gsimmons>twb: No reason at all, the factoid does mention to "ask about" rt2x00 as well.
00:32<shivraj>samer : make those directories under /etc/ make Wireless and the other one
00:32<shivraj>dont worry /etc is only for configuration files
00:32<twb>shivraj: ...unless you listen to lunatic vendors
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00:33<twb>samer: ignore all the rt73 stuff and try this first: m-a a-i rt2x00-source
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00:35<shivraj>sk8deamon : well its not easy or they wouldnt be in the same place
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00:36<shivraj>samer : follow twb's advice
00:36<gsimmons>The 'rt2x00-source' package (WRT etch) only supports a few devices, owing to its age. The rt73 enhanced legacy driver (and more recent rt2x00 sources) have helped RT2573 users previously.
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00:38<shivraj>samer : but try making those directories, apparantley rt73 looks at .bin file for more info ... it might work
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00:42<shivraj>samer : did you do make install ?
00:42<samer>sorry i had to afk, im back
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00:43<shivraj>samer : so did you do "make install"
00:43<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
00:43<shivraj>RIVE : more like good night here ;-)
00:43<samer>shivraj: i just finished make install
00:43<samer>hello rive :)
00:44<shivraj>samer : ok then do cp rt73.bin to /etc....
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00:45<RIVE>shivraj, the time is joust a mather of how can you well can you type befero get complitele sleep.
00:47<shivraj>RIVE : right, and I think you need complete sleep
00:47<shivraj>RIVE : ;-) where are you from ?
00:48<RIVE>shivraj, yes, i need to sleep.
00:48*RIVE México
00:48<shivraj>RIVE : ok, didnt mean to make fun of you
00:48<shivraj>samer : is it working ?
00:48<twb>It doesn't take an accent in English, FWIW
00:49<RIVE>You didn't shivraj.
00:49<samer>hmm, i can't find the etc directory
00:49<shivraj>samer make install didnt create it ????
00:50<samer>no :o
00:50<shivraj>samer so create the directories
00:50<shivraj>I dunno its worth a try
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00:52<shivraj>twb: FWIW ?
00:52<RIVE>So, i'm going to sleep, take care, good night to all.
00:52<shivraj>for what its worth ....
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00:54<Gekz>someone dance for me
00:54<shivraj>Gekz : huh ?
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00:57<Gekz>shivraj: dance!
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00:58<weld>hi, anyone knows a program to play a video DVD wich is placed in a folder the disk? (mean a folder containing VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders)
00:59<shivraj>Gekz ... .\|;;>>///
00:59<samer>shivraj: ok i finished the load part
00:59<weld>*on the disk
00:59<shivraj>samer it loaded ?
00:59<Gekz>shivraj: <3
00:59<samer>no the usb is still of
01:00<weld>i just created a DVD with qdvdauthor and i don't know how to test it before burning
01:02<shivraj>samer : do modprobe -l
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01:03<shivraj>samer : do modprobe -l | grep 'rt73'
01:03<shivraj>boy oh boy this sucks, cant remember when was the last time I did this stuff
01:03<samer>:s not there
01:03<shivraj>now all my hardware is supported
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01:04<samer>thanks for all the help shivraj btw :)
01:04<shivraj>samer : well do what gsimmons suggested
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01:05<shivraj>samer : note it says that was tested in redhat 7
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01:05<shivraj>samer : and they did a horrible job on those drivers looking at the README
01:06<shivraj>usually you just have to compile driver and install it to kernel ... simple ..
01:06<shivraj>if you can find a driver (old days)
01:07<samer>i just assumed that debian would be able to detect it
01:07<R_Dragon>Howdy ranix, drive is mounted. set it up in fstab using the info from the "man 8 mount" command. thanks.
01:09<shivraj>samer : do m-a a-i rt2x00-sources
01:09<shivraj>a gsimmons suggested
01:09<samer>kk i'll try that
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01:12<samer>is m-a like apt-get but for modules?
01:13<shivraj>samer I guess, never used it
01:13<shivraj>did it work
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01:14<samer>no it doesn't know rt2x00-sources
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01:16<shivraj>samer : then try rt2x00-source
01:16<Vic> Hello, how can .chm ebooks be opened in Debian?
01:17<shivraj>samer: you know what chip is in that ?
01:17<shivraj>samer : ie rt2570
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01:19<samer>oh ok, i'm finding out what the chipset
01:19<dd>You can view .chm file using gnochm or kchmviewer under Linux
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01:22<JustSoul>good time
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01:22<JustSoul>What alternative of ACDsee? (gwenview....)
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01:27<samer>chivraj: is there a command that displays what chipset it has?
01:29<R_Dragon>any ideas of how to get flash player to work with the browsers available for debian?
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01:31<JustSoul>R_Dragon: mozilla products, opera...?
01:31<R_Dragon>I've been trying Konquerer, Iceweasle, etc.
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01:32<JustSoul>With Seamonkey and opera flash work normal
01:32<R_Dragon>All I get is "no suitable player is available for your browser"
01:33<R_Dragon>I'll see if Seamonkey is available... hang on...
01:33<weld>R_Dragon: there is a package in non-free installing flash player
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01:34<weld>R_Dragon: flashplugin-nonfree
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01:35<R_Dragon>I installed that, but my browsers still don't behave like there is flash installed.
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01:36<R_Dragon>Seamonkey is not available through synaptic package manager.
01:36<creeed>R_Dragon, what's architekture has your box?
01:36<saratogacx>can I use apt to install the dependancies for a deb package?
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01:36<weld>R_Dragon: do you use etch?
01:37<creeed>already tried with nspluginwrapper?
01:37<R_Dragon><-- is really new to debian... I've been using fedora for a long time... don't even know what etch is.
01:38<saratogacx>etch is the version (etch is stable sid is unstable)
01:38<saratogacx>if you cat /etc/apt/sources.list you'll see eithor etch or sid in the listed values
01:39<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
01:39<R_Dragon>I installed the stable and when I "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" I get etch there.
01:40<bleck>hey, is there a way to see all the messages at startup? are they saved anywhere? I know dmesg will show you kernel messages, but what about after that?
01:40<bleck>sorry for asking again, stuff stuffed up.
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01:40<gsimmons>bleck: Did you enable bootlogd as suggested previously?
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01:41<bleck>gsimmons : no, I missed all the responses, cas I got called away (at work)
01:41<weld>R_Dragon: there was a bug with this in etch... installing flashpugin-nonfree didn't work in etch... don't know if this has been fixed
01:41<R_Dragon>The reason I switched from Fedora to Debian is the stability.
01:41<bleck>gsimmons : but thanks :)
01:41<gsimmons>!tell bleck -about bootlogd
01:41<R_Dragon>I have a feeling it hasn't been fixed.
01:41<weld>R_Dragon: did you try installing the plugin in iceweasel?
01:41<bleck>what is the /etc/default dir for?
01:42<R_Dragon>Flash actually works as root, but none of the other users can use it.
01:42<bleck>or rather, why isn't stuff in /etc/bootlogd/conf
01:42<JustSoul>When I use apt-get install smth.. it also install recomended packets, how to prevent it?
01:42<R_Dragon>yes I did weld
01:42<bleck>I never really understood about /etc/default
01:43<weld>R_Dragon: this should work usualy :\
01:43<creeed>R_Dragon, I have a link how to install the plugins with nspluginwrapper, it's for amd64 architekture but should fonction for i386 too
01:43<gsimmons>JustSoul: Which package manager are you using?
01:43<R_Dragon>Ok... Thanks, I'll try that.
01:44<JustSoul>gsimmons: mostly aptitude, but now i writing script
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01:44<bleck>is there a native command that does the equivalent of "find . | xargs grep -i searchtest"
01:44<saratogacx>so... can I use apt to install the dependancies for a deb pkg?
01:44<bleck>to search directories for something in a file
01:45<creeed>bleck use an alias
01:45<saratogacx>black, I don't think there's a file indexer installed w/ linux by default
01:45<R_Dragon>I have kids that want to get onto the site and can't because of the flash problem. They are REALLY dissappointed, especially the 3 year old.
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01:47<bleck>thanks guys
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01:50<Lynoure>saratogacx: Can you rephrase the question? that's what apt does when you use it to install a package: it installs the dependencies, if possible
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01:51<saratogacx>well I have an app that isn't part of my app repository so I downloaded the .deb package. when I try to install it I get a bunch of dependancy errors. I'm wondering if I can tell apt to install the dependancies that I'm missing from the package (CellWriter_1.3.3)
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01:55<philipp>kennt jemand einen guten Lautstärkeregler unter KDE/Debian?
01:55<samer>ping: shivraj
01:55<Nemoder>saratogacx: I have found that if I run dpkg -i file.deb and then run aptitude afterwards it will tag everything for install
01:56<Nemoder>assuming the deps are available
01:57<saratogacx>hm... the dependancies aren't available
01:57<Lynoure>philipp: no idea what Lautstärkeregler are... something strenght rules?
01:58<saratogacx>I guess I'll have to add the sid stuff to install.
01:58<philipp>does somone know a good programm to control the sound?
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01:59<saratogacx>philipp There are plugins for just about every WM that have sound controls
01:59<gsimmons>JustSoul: I'll assume you are using a post-Etch version of apt. You'd want "apt-get -o APT::Install-Recommends=false install foo".
02:00<Nemoder>R_Dragon: that noggin site works fine for me with the flashplugin-nonfree
02:00<weld>philipp: you mean something like kmix ?
02:01<JustSoul>gsimmons: thx
02:01<R_Dragon>Nemoder, I can't get it to work past root.
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02:02<Nemoder>R_Dragon: which browser?
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02:03<saratogacx>sigh... okay it doesn't want me to get the app. apparently I can't get the updated libraries from etch
02:04<R_Dragon>I've tried it with 3 or 4, including Konquerer, Iceweasle, epiphany, and I can't remember the other.
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02:04<samer>is there a command that shows what chipset my usb wireless has?
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02:05<saratogacx>samer does lspci give you the information you need?
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02:05<Nemoder>R_Dragon: check the file permissions on your
02:06<weld>samer: try lsusb
02:06<samer>lsusb shows the device
02:06<R_Dragon>Where is that?
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02:07<Nemoder>mine is in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
02:07<Slydder>i hate nvidea drivers
02:08<saratogacx>run updatedb and than do locate
02:08<samer>i hate dlink + linux
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02:08<Slydder>trying to get twinhead working and keep getting the grey screen of limbo
02:08<saratogacx>I hate trying to get handwriting reccognision and linux
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02:11<Slydder>anyone running gnome with a nvidea card and twinhead enabled that can send me thier config?
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02:12<R_Dragon>ok.. I just found something... hang on...
02:13<Nemoder>R_Dragon: oops I was wrong sorry, my browsers are using the new flash9 that I installed manually
02:13<Nemoder>I had more than one copy of that lib
02:13<weld>R_Dragon: maybe you have gnash installed?
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02:15<Nemoder>R_Dragon: you might want to cd /usr/lib and then run find -name and see if you have more than one copy or if they are symlinked
02:15<R_Dragon>Ok, this is really weird...
02:17<R_Dragon>I found the .tar.gz file in a directory under /usr/lib. I unpacked it and ran the installer script and it FINALLY gave me the option to install it in whatever browser location I needed. Now I'm going to test it.
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02:18<saratogacx>you downloaded the installer directly to the /usr/lib dir didn't you ^^
02:18<R_Dragon>no, but somehow it landed there.
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02:19<R_Dragon>I always use a download directory then move things where I need them
02:19<hufff>is there a way to force a reinstall of a certain package through apt/dpkg ?
02:20<R_Dragon>That is really weird finding that package in that location...
02:20<R_Dragon>I'm moving it out now and putting in back into my download directory.
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02:20<Nemoder>hufff: apt-get install packagename --reinstall
02:21<R_Dragon>Thank you guys, It works with Iceweasle. My kids are really going to be happy.
02:21<Nemoder>nice :)
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02:22<saratogacx>Vector tower defence is your friend! (It's why I installed flash)
02:22<R_Dragon>I'll see you guys again... and Thank you again!
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02:23<bleck>why would this line say "[: = : unary operator expected" - "until [ `ps --pid $kpid | grep -c $kpid` = '0' ] || [ $count -gt $kwait ]"
02:24<saratogacx>I used to get that when I had a command that wouldn't run (command not found)
02:24<hufff>Nemoder thank you ! :D
02:24<bleck>the "ps --pid $kpid | grep -c $kpid" part will display "1" or "0"
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02:25<bleck>hmm I might replace it with a '0' and see if I get the same error
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02:27<bleck>nm.. it works if I replace the command with 0
02:28<weld>bleck: [ `ps --pid $kpid | grep -c $kpid` -eq 0 ] || [ $count -gt $kwait ] ?
02:28<saratogacx>yay!!! apparently I needed to install v1.3.3 of cellwriter and not 1.3.1 (what I was using before).
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02:29<bleck>weld: nope, now it says [: -eq : unary operator expected
02:30<bleck>weld: I think its something screwey with the $kpid part
02:30<bleck>thanks tho
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02:31<bleck>meh, this box sux anyways.. I can't be bothered fixing it.
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02:33<bleck>thanks for all your help people.. dpkg, love you :)
02:33<dpkg>bleck: de rien
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02:37<Slydder>somebody that knows thier way around X take a look at my config please. keep getting grey screened:
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02:41<Slydder>it sucks having a 2 minute window to get info. lol.
02:42<saratogacx>2 minutes?
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02:43<Supaplex>is this how I ask dig to ignore search domains in the resolv.conf? dig +trace +nosearch
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03:35<JustSoul>Is here smbd who use licq with cyrillic?
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03:37<JustSoul>Why nick and info, in icq, written in different codepages?
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04:04<mrguser>I have one unsolved question for Debian developers
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04:07<mrguser>I have 2 ide hard drives and 1 sata dvd drive
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04:08<mrguser>first of all I can't install the system from the dvd
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04:15<Woet>i keep getting 'make: *** [ssh2.lo] Error 1' when compiling ssh2 for PHP5.
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04:39<istoc>Hi, could someone help me with one of the init rtorrent scripts? Both scripts keep complaining that they can't find a readable session dir even though I 777'd it. Thanks.
04:40<gsimmons>istoc: If this is the same problem that you raised earlier, you need to define an absolute session path in your ~/.rtorrent.rc file.
04:40<istoc>gsimmons: I do have an absolute path
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04:42<gsimmons>istoc: Provide your current error at a paste site.
04:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:42<istoc>gsimmons: Thanks. One second.
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04:43<istoc>gsimmons; It's just one line, want me just to paste it?
04:43<gsimmons>istoc: If it's only one line, that's fine to provide in here.
04:43<istoc>cannot find readable session directory from config /home/ivan/.rtorrent.rc. check permissions
04:44<istoc>Here's the line from the config file: session = /home/ivan/Active_Torrents/.session
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04:47<Woet>is there an option to send the path with nohup?
04:47<Woet>i want to do 'nohup /home/azer/server41/./samp022svr &'
04:47<Woet>im unable to cd to it first
04:48<gsimmons>istoc: Your session directory is unable to be determined by the init script, otherwise this would have been stated in the error (note the " "). Please provide the contents of your ~/.rtorrent.rc file at a paste site.
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04:49<istoc>gsimmons: ok, one second.
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04:58<istoc>gsimmons: Think it could be something wrong with the script's pattern matching? I remember getting this to work a while ago. Maybe they changed the scripts since then?
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05:02<gsimmons>istoc: Works for me, I'm unable to reproduce your issue. Can you also pastebin your file? FYI, this script doesn't like a rtorrent configuration file with CRLF line terminators.
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05:03<istoc>gsimmons: I'm using the .bash version. I tried the .sh version but it didn't work so I tried this one.
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05:04<istoc>gsimmons: gimme a sec to paste it
05:04<Woet>when i run 'nohup ./samp022svr &' from putty, it runs fine. If i execute the same command via ssh2_exec ( with the same user, it doesnt work.
05:04<Woet>someone has any idea?
05:05<Woet>and someone has any idea why 'nohup /home/azer/server41/samp022svr &' doesnt run?
05:06<istoc>gsimmons: Here's the paste I just remembered I changed the extension from .bash to .sh so I wouldnt have to readd it with update-rc.d. Could that have caused a problem?
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05:08<uthpala>hi every one
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05:09<Woet>someone has any idea why 'nohup /home/azer/server41/samp022svr &' doesnt run?
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05:12<uthpala>Woet what are you trying to do
05:12<Woet>im trying to run 'samp022svr' from outside the directory where it's in
05:12<Woet>when i cd to the directory, then run 'nohup ./samp022svr &', it works fine
05:13<Woet>but when im not in that directory, and i run 'nohup /home/azer/server41/samp022svr &', it doesnt work.
05:13<uthpala>execute is as nohup bash file
05:13<Woet>err, how?
05:14<weasel>then cd to the directory before starting it
05:14<JustSoul>I make mirror of debian (etch) distrib by apt-mirror. Second computer when installing smth write that it's not good..
05:14<uthpala>nohup bash /home/azer/server41/samp022svr &
05:14<gsimmons>istoc: Sorry, I'm unable to reproduce your error. WFM with bash 3.1.17.
05:14<munga>Woet: maybe your samp022svr needs files in the current directory and when you run outside its directory, it fails
05:15<Woet>yea, it does need files from its directory
05:15<Woet>but i cant use 'cd' with
05:15<Woet>it forgets it
05:15<munga>then if you want to run it outside, you need to do something about it
05:16<Woet>like what?
05:16<weasel>Woet: why not? ssh $foo "cd server41 && nohub ./samp022svr < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1"
05:16<istoc>gsimmons: Thanks for the help, I'm gonna try to find any carriage returns and see if anything happens.
05:16<munga>if it's a bash script, like cd-ing in the data directory before doing anything else ...
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05:17<Woet>thats works weasel
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05:25<buffoon_work>i have a problem that the regexp ^([a-zA-Z0-9_\-\.]+)@([a-zA-Z0-9_\-\.]+)\.([a-zA-Z]{2,5})$ matches but not in a bash script... on a online regexp tester it works
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05:45<istoc>gsimmons: I managed to get it to work but I had to make the session dir static in the script. Thanks again.
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05:47<JustSoul>I make mirror of debian (etch) distrib by apt-mirror. Second computer when installing smth write that it's not good to install from there
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05:49*JustSoul want to go home :((
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05:52<misslissa>how would i go about patching debian security
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06:04<D4T>hi all, anyone know if there is a hard limit to the number of NFS shares that can be mounted using autofs, I get to 26 mounts then it doesnt seem to allow anymore?
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06:07<GhostlyDeath>why is my disk being access so much?
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06:10<Acidic32>im trying to compile a new kernel for debian, but at boot up it keeps saying failed to mount root, no filesystem could mount it
06:10<Acidic32>yet its ext3
06:10<Torsten_W>Acidic32: forget the initrd?
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06:11<Acidic32>mmm it didnt make a initrd file
06:11<Acidic32>when i compiled the kernel
06:11<Acidic32>i know you have to mkinitrd
06:11<Acidic32>but i forgot how to do it :/
06:11<Torsten_W>you are the oen, to do that
06:12<amphi>Acidic32: did you use make-kpkg?
06:12<themill>!kp mantra
06:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
06:12<Torsten_W>then u shouldn't build kernels
06:12<Acidic32>ive built kernels before
06:12<weasel>Acidic32: either use --initrd to make-kpkg, or don't use an initrd at all which requires all the necessary stuff to be built into the kernel
06:12<Acidic32>i ran LFS
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06:12<Acidic32>ok ill try initrd
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06:21<Sweeney>Hi guys, I am looking for a good music/video player. I am using Gnome Debian testing AMD64. Anyone could advide please?
06:22<weasel>mplayer or vlc for video.
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06:37<hever>How can I know wich runlevel numbers are free by using update-rc.d ?
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06:37<weasel>you can't.
06:37<weasel>why would you anyway.
06:37<weasel>and what does "free" mean
06:38<hever>weasel: you already answered ;)
06:38<hever>Because I must start the deamons in a special order
06:39<themill>hever: ls
06:39<hever>Then its easier to link them manually...
06:40<weasel>update-rc.d isn't an end-user tool anyway.
06:40<weasel>it's a package's tool.
06:40<hever>And if I'm going to start mysql before bind I have to remove the links and set them new by hand, right ?
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06:41<hever>weasel: I use it in a bash script
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06:41<hever>weasel: Its easy to install startup scripts...
06:41<themill>hever: you can use mv rather than removing them.
06:42<hever>ok yes sure ;)
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06:42<hever>ok thanks. I asked to learn eventually how I can solve it easier...
06:42<themill>hever: just make sure you keep the same name (modulo S?? or K??) so that later invocations of update-rc.d don't barf.
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06:50<hever>Must a bash script I'm going to run at system startup understand (start) argument to be started if I link it in rcN.d? Or can I just link it and all works fine ?
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06:59<hever>themill: will it work ?
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07:01<JustSoul>I make mirror of debian (etch) distrib by apt-mirror. Second computer when installing smth write that it's not good to install from there
07:02<karlos>Hello! What's uṕ?
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07:13<vbox>what is the recomended package to add vista like start-menu searching?
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07:14<buffoon_work>vbox, maybe you're searching for something like alt+f2 in gnome or kde
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07:14<karlos>erm, i think it's an applet called KBFX..
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07:14<BuTterFly>Âñåì ïðèâåò!!!)
07:15<BuTterFly>à ÷òî ýòî çà ãîðîä??
07:15<karlos>!tell BuTterfly -about ru
07:16<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:16<vbox>I'm using debian stable, and it gives this error when i use apt get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! it is using stable/main
07:16<vbox>how can i fix that?
07:16<BuTterFly>ÿ âñ¸ ïîíÿë
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07:17<BuTterFly>goo bay
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07:22<buffoon_work>vbox, is your system clock right?
07:22<dedicatedserver-intermidate>i have a quick couple of questions, i'll be back in a min with acoffee!
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07:22<dedicatedserver-intermidate>Linux version (root@buildd-amd64) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 8 13:04:34 CET 2007
07:22<dedicatedserver-intermidate>[root@s15279681 log]#
07:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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07:30<dedicatedserver-intermidate>ok can someone help me with the stability of my dedicated server from 1and1, which i need to reboot every 10 or so days as it hangs
07:30<dedicatedserver-intermidate>Linux version (root@buildd-amd64) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 8 13:04:34 CET 2007
07:30<dedicatedserver-intermidate>[root@s15279681 log]#
07:32<dedicatedserver-intermidate>maybe that's normal for a server i dont know!
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07:34<JustSoul>dedicatedserver-intermidate: it is not normal
07:34<dedicatedserver-intermidate>thanks i thought not
07:34<dedicatedserver-intermidate>what logs should i dig out?
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07:35<JustSoul>dedicatedserver-intermidate: i'm noob in debian, but how it's hangs?
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07:35<dedicatedserver-intermidate>it's a pain because the first i know of it is when i try to access mail and its not working, or a customer phones me because they tried email and the server was dead!
07:35<dedicatedserver-intermidate>i dont know - it's a remote dedicated server i lease
07:35<JustSoul>dedicatedserver-intermidate: and can you cut your nick?
07:36<dedicatedserver-intermidate>can i tell from logs how it stopped?
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07:37<cab-soft>is there someone here how can help me with a debian etch/jboss problem?
07:37<JustSoul>miles1471: why you think it's hang, and how you reboot it?
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07:38<miles1471>it stops responding to ping requests, mail dies , apache dies
07:38<miles1471>cant login with putty
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07:39<JustSoul>try to look in /var/log, before smbd help you
07:40<mosno>why is it that dash has 'set -o' options for vi and emacs, but they don't actually work?
07:40<JustSoul>miles1471: /var/log/syslog <- may be you find some errors
07:40<mosno>is it the way it was built?
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07:42<miles1471>there is no syslog in there
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07:43<miles1471>theres boot, messages, secure, maillog,dmesg,cups...
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07:43<miles1471>wtmp, and a couple of other thingws i dont think help
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07:43<JustSoul>miles1471: messages are also interesting
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07:43<miles1471>ok, 500k long tho
07:44<JustSoul>miles1471: look at end
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07:44<miles1471>ok, messages, messages.1, messages.2 then up to 5. which one?
07:44<karlos>is GNOME better than KDE?
07:44<JustSoul>miles1471: 5 - oldest; messages - newest
07:45<miles1471>depends karlos. in my experience gnome is more stable but kde is more fancy
07:45<Torsten_W>karlos: is an mercedes better than an bmw?
07:45<petemc>miles1471: there are timestamps in the logs - check the ones appropriate to the machine having problems
07:45<mosno>karlos: have you tried both?
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07:46<miles1471>okay, how do i check the first few lines of a file?
07:46<petemc>less file
07:46<petemc>or head -n 10 file
07:46<JustSoul>petemc: why first?
07:47<petemc>why what first?
07:47<miles1471>wait 1....
07:47<JustSoul>petemc: why "first few lines"? I think lastest are in the end??
07:47<petemc>they indeed are
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07:48<miles1471>trying to find the moment it crashesd
07:48<petemc>JustSoul: i was just answering the question, i didnt tell anyone to look at the first few lines of anything
07:48<JustSoul>petemc: ou, sorry
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07:49<miles1471>lol can i see a subsection of a file? i do tail -n 200 to go back!
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07:49<miles1471>but putty wont scroll up that far
07:50<petemc>less file
07:50<petemc>press space to go down, u to go up
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07:50<karlos>mosno: Yes, i have them installed now, have two diffenet users, karlos and carlos. Karlos i for KDE and Carlos for gnome ; )
07:50<mosno>karlos: hahaha
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07:51<mosno>karlos: i used to like Gnome, then KDE, then Gnome again, then KDE
07:51<miles1471>apologies for this.......
07:51<miles1471>Feb 1 11:40:21 s15279681 xinetd[2917]: START: smtp pid=6006 from=
07:51<miles1471>Feb 1 11:40:22 s15279681 xinetd[2917]: EXIT: smtp status=1 pid=6006 duration=1(
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07:51<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
07:51<miles1471>oh sorry about that
07:51<petemc>miles1471: dont apologise, just dont do it
07:51<mosno>ie. Gnome 1.4, KDE 3.1, Gnome 2.8 to 2.20, KDE 3.5
07:52<miles1471>ihad to restart around 12 ish
07:52<miles1471>bhut nothing useful there :|
07:52<petemc>check message
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07:52<miles1471>that is from messages
07:53<petemc>miles1471: i dont use xinetd, but i would assume its normal for it to stop/start apps
07:53<miles1471>(appreciate the help by the way)
07:53<petemc>being thats what it does, n all
07:53<miles1471>i dont know fella - i didnt install the system its a dedicated server
07:53<karlos>mosno: : ), i use KDE more htan Gnome, but sometimes i need the other lol
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07:54<JustSoul>miles1471: petemc: May be search for "error" "halt" "hang" "panic" or smth else?
07:54<mosno>karlos: enjoy. this system doesn't run Gnome.
07:54<mosno>probably some Gnome Platform, but no Gnome Desktop
07:54<mosno>i just find KDE more usable
07:55<JustSoul>mosno: karlos: I prefer console :)
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07:55<miles1471>a search within messages?
07:56<petemc>miles1471: you need to look at your logs from around the time the machine last hung
07:56<miles1471>yep. there is a gap tho. 10:40 is the last entry in messages but i t was fine, then 12:05 its back on anyway
07:57<miles1471>ok, ill try syslog next
07:57<miles1471>ive found panics in messages though, once 20 mins before it goes down, then when it comes back on?
07:58<miles1471>actually forget my last
07:58<miles1471>10:40 2 days earlier
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07:59<petemc>miles1471: take some time to read and understand whats going on, we dont need a blow by blow account
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07:59<miles1471>i think there's nothuing useful in messages, but i could misunderstand it
08:00<JustSoul>miles1471: in other case, it's possible hardware problem
08:01<miles1471>however, after i rebooted it, it does say fstab-sync[3261]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000404307 rsp 00007fff0a0e5790 error 4
08:01<miles1471>but thats when its coming back up. any good?
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08:02<JustSoul>miles1471: I think you may search before reboot
08:02<miles1471>yep. before reboot theres nothing useful
08:03<miles1471>it's wierd theres a 20 minute hole in the log
08:04<miles1471>ok in messages the last entry before it dies is just an smtp message
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08:05<petemc>maybe its a power issue
08:05<JustSoul>miles1471: May be it is not software error?
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08:06<miles1471>could be. its 1and1 that supply the server
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08:07<miles1471>so basically we dont think the server is miscoinfigured (it was crashing before i put anything on) its a hardware/power problem?
08:08<JustSoul>miles1471: m.b. overheat?
08:09<miles1471>how can i tell :(
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08:14<miles1471>thanks for the help chaps
08:14<JustSoul>miles1471: *IMHO* If any error occured, it will be written at /var/log, I think. If there are no errors, that mean that server go down in one moment(). -> It's not OS problem.
08:14<drguildo>does the debian nightly testing iso support pppoe? i noticed a pppoeconf package on there but thought i'd better ask just in case
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08:14<drguildo>i searched google but i'm still not 100% sure
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08:15<D4T>anyone know anything about max number of NFS shares mounted?
08:16<JustSoul>D4T: more than 5 (that I have:)
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08:16<D4T>using autofs i seem to hit a limit at 26
08:17<miles1471>ok thanks
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08:17<D4T>not tried using fstab entries yet
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08:24<silber>D4T a lot of home routers have limits of around the mid 20s - the ones from UK ISPs do anyway!
08:24<silber>Mine is liminted to 6 but it's pretty old
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08:25<D4T>no this is being served from a quad xeon server to another
08:25<D4T>not sure why you are talking about routers?
08:26<silber>I took it out of context
08:27<D4T>ok :)
08:27<silber>i'll be back later
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08:28<JustSoul>Good bye, have a nice weekend. Thx everybody, who help me...
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08:33<Ankho>hi all
08:33<Ankho>i'm new on debien
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08:34<Ankho>hi karlos
08:34<Ankho>do u speak spanish karlos ?
08:35<karlos>: )
08:35<Ankho>karlos, is that a yes or no?
08:35<karlos>Ermm, yeah, i speak spanish pretty good
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08:37<Ankho>karlos, so, may i speak spanish over here?
08:37<Slydder>it seems that my system is starting 2 X sessions (:0 on vty7 and :1 on vty8). I cannot find where this is being set. anyone with an idea? am running etch.
08:38<Ankho>i asking cos may be i'll get banned...
08:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:38<karlos>Ankho: dpkg is right, the right channel for talk spanish is #debian-es
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08:40<Ankho>yes i know.. and i'm there too...
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08:54<evilbelgian>hi guys
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08:57<evilbelgian>whats the best irc client in your opinion
08:57<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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08:58<marfusha>evilbelgian: xchat
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09:03<aptituz>evilbelgian: irssi
09:03<evilbelgian>how do i add a a download location
09:03<evilbelgian>for updates
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09:03<evilbelgian>into apt-get
09:03<petemc>man sources.list
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09:04<Slydder>you need to change /etc/apt/sources.list
09:04<Slydder>then do apt-get update
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09:04<beer>is there some news about when KDE 4 will hit ubstable?
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09:05<petemc>beer: /msg dpkg kde4
09:05<support>hello, have a little problem, after configure samba/ldap i became following error: - what i must do...
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09:06<evilbelgian>i am trying to install that
09:06<evilbelgian>but i don't know how to add it to my source list
09:07<evilbelgian>completely new to linux
09:07<Slydder>apt-get install ecx100-source
09:07<Slydder>acx100-source that is
09:08<Slydder>but you will have to make sure that contrib is available for apt-get first
09:08<Slydder>simply nano /etc/apt/sources.list and look for a line similar to the following
09:09<Slydder>deb etch main contrib non-free
09:09<Slydder>yours will most likely be "etch main" only
09:09<Slydder>you will need to add contrib to the end of the line and the line below it as well.
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09:11<evilbelgian>so i need a line that says deb etch main contrib non-free
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09:11<Slydder>and a line below it that starts with deb-src
09:12<Slydder>instead of deb
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09:12<Slydder>but the url will be different for you unless you are in germany
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09:12<Slydder>just copy and paste the first two lines of your /etc/apt/sources.list so I can see
09:12<Slydder>then I will paste the correct entries back for you and you can see what I mean
09:13<evilbelgian>/msg Slydder deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 Etch - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20070407-11:55]/ etch contri$
09:13<evilbelgian># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
09:13<evilbelgian>deb etch/updates main contrib
09:13<evilbelgian># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
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09:13<Slydder>not the whole file contents
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09:14<Slydder>just the first deb and deb-src lines that do NOT include security in the url
09:14<evilbelgian>slydder did you get that
09:14<Slydder>read above
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09:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:16<Slydder>themill: that's good cause it's only 2 lines. ;)
09:16<evilbelgian>ok let me try paste the neccercary part this time
09:16<themill>except for the other 4 and the auto-kicking that resulted....
09:16<karlos>ehmm, is "deb dists/stable-updates/" the corerct url for get updates for stable?
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09:16<Slydder>he's new
09:17<evilbelgian>deb etch/updates main contrib
09:17<evilbelgian># Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
09:17<evilbelgian>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
09:17<themill>karlos/Guest98: no
09:17<Slydder>evil: wrong lines. the ones WITHOUT security in it.
09:18<evilbelgian>those are the only ones i have
09:18<evilbelgian>then i have the etch disks
09:18<Slydder>lol. where are you located then?
09:18<Slydder>what country?
09:19<evilbelgian>south africa
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09:21<evilbelgian>much better
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09:23<evilbelgian>umm slydder are you there
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09:25<evilbelgian>themill you there
09:25<witte>evilbelgian: just ask your question
09:25<Franki>does anyone know whether alsa-player can handle libopenspc0 to play SPC700 files?
09:25<evilbelgian>i did
09:25<evilbelgian>then i left and rejoined because i wanted to use a diff client
09:26<evilbelgian>and now the guy who was helping me seems to be gone
09:26<evilbelgian>well he's still online but still
09:28<grummund>hi, would someone be able to help with an strace of apticron pls? -
09:28<grummund>the error is "read(3, RTNETLINK answers: Address family not supported by protocol"
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09:32<themill>evilbelgian: no-one is actually sure what your question is...
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09:33<evilbelgian>umm ok i was asking what source i should add to the sources list in order to get the acx111 drivers
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09:35<witte>evilbelgian: what are the acx111 drivers? and are you sure they are called like that in linux
09:35<dpkg>Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111/TNETW1450 wireless network chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx100/111 drivers ( Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions available at Also ask me about <acx100 firmware>.
09:35<Torsten_W>in debian i only find acx100-source
09:36<evilbelgian>the acx100 drivers are the same as the acx111 drivers
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09:38<Slydder>deb etch main contrib non-free
09:38<Slydder>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
09:38<Slydder>sorry. had to go fix a mail server right quick. somebody took a dump in the queue
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09:41<Slydder>evilbelgian: did you get the above 2 lines added to /etc/apt/sources.list? if so do "apt-get update". after that you are good
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09:41<Slydder>just to the normal apt-get install acx100
09:42<witte>it is apt-get install acx100-source, and after that you need module-assistant to compile it i think. the acx100 package does not exist
09:43<evilbelgian>i have the rest of the instructions from a wiki its fine
09:43<evilbelgian>all i need to know now is how to save and close the sources.list
09:44<evilbelgian>because i don't know how
09:44<Slydder>ctl-x then answer "y"es and enter
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09:45<Guest98>Then what's the line iin sources.list for get updates?
09:45<dpkg>Put "deb stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
09:45<Slydder>that is the security url
09:45<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
09:45<Slydder>that checks for updates only and then steers apt in the right direction
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09:47<themill>dpkg: security =~ #stable/updates#etch/updates#
09:47<themill>dpkg: security =~ s#stable/updates#etch/updates#
09:47<dpkg>OK, themill
09:47<Guest98>thanks sepski, i'll try that
09:47<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
09:47<dpkg>no, stupid themill
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09:50<evilbelgian>themill got burned by a bot :D
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09:51<evilbelgian>"module assistant a-i acx100" does anyone know why i wouldn't be able to run this command
09:52<themill>evilbelgian: it's module-assistant (or m-a for short). Note the -
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09:58<evilbelgian>guys how do i paste a file in /lib/firmware and should i unzip it first or place it as it is
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10:07<gsimmons>evilbelgian: If the firmware file is a compressed tarball, you'd want to extract its contents and move these to /lib/firmware.
10:08<evilbelgian>it says i don't have permission to do that
10:09<gsimmons>evilbelgian: Then gain the necessary permission. Become the superuser.
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10:09<evilbelgian>*blink blink* umm i know the root password and everything being that i set it so how do i become the whole *SUPER USER*
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10:11<KCarlos>in a terminal
10:11<KCarlos>and then the root password
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10:13<evilbelgian>so in a terminal i do what
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10:18<Slydder>root = superuser. type "su" in the console then enter your root password and you will be root
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10:20<evilbelgian>ok but i am already in the console as root
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10:22<Slydder>then you have permission
10:22<evilbelgian>but it still won't let me
10:22<evilbelgian>but i'm not using terminal to extract
10:23<evilbelgian>i'm trying to extract it normally
10:23<evilbelgian>you know with gui
10:23<noflash>no root's the law
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10:24<evilbelgian>so what command do i use to extract something using terminal
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10:25<noflash>evilbelgian, you can learn to fish at :)
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10:28<Maxik42>Åñòü êòî ñ Óêðàèíû?
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10:28<evilbelgian>any particular reason why i would be getting a 404 error for the following url
10:28<themill>evilbelgian: leave out the us bit
10:29<Maxik42>Hello !!!
10:30<themill>evilbelgian: if it's a tar file, look at man tar for some examples. If it's a zip file, look at man zip.
10:30<themill>evilbelgian: or man unzip
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10:31<manuel>hi, anyone here using debain stable with an nforce 630a chipset?
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10:32<manuel>i'm trying to compile a kernel to support my sound card, network etc., but i'm failing on the S-ATA drivers
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10:33<manuel>which work with the 2.6.18 kernel
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10:34<Udmurt>åñòü êòî ðóññêèé
10:34<Slydder>manuel: what does lspci say?
10:34<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:34<bcochofel>Hi, I'm having trouble with autofs and my usb drive. Can someone tell me how can I debug autofs?
10:35<manuel>00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0562 (rev a2)
10:35<manuel>for example
10:35<manuel>i've lots of those devices ;)
10:35<Slydder>huh. not good
10:35<themill>try running update-pciids
10:35<manuel>the 18 kernel has no support for that chipset
10:35<Slydder>are there even drivers available?
10:36<Slydder>linux drivers that is
10:36<manuel>yeah in the .24 f.e.
10:36<manuel>00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP67 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)
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10:36<manuel>a bit better now
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10:37<manuel>the device names are all correct now, but they still won't work i think
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10:38<manuel>so i need to know which kernel module i've to use for the sata controller
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10:38<evilbelgian>please what is the command to extract a tar archive
10:39<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers
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10:44<evilbelgian>tar xjf /home/evilbelgian/Desktop/fw.tar.bz2 would that be correct
10:44<evilbelgian>assuming that is the exact directory
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10:50<petemc>evilbelgian: irc isnt a beginners guide , you /msg dpkg grounding
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10:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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10:59<yomism>que passosoo
11:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:02<KCarlos>Who knows how to make an un-upgrade to go from testing/lenny to stable/Etch, should i edit the sources.list and change testing to stable only?
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11:03<witte>!tell KCarlos about downgrade
11:03<andresvia>Can I install Debian IA64 on a 64 bits Intel Core 2 Duo? Or should I use x86?
11:04<witte>!tell andresvia about amd64
11:04<witte>andresvia: and you can also install i386 on the intel core 2 duo
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11:04<andresvia>What this means?
11:05<witte>andresvia: you can use the amd64 port or the i386 port, and NOT the ia64 port
11:05<andresvia>I want to know if this is possible, IA64 works on Core 2 Duo?
11:05<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
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11:07<andresvia>What is a good reason to use amd64?
11:08<witte>andresvia: it would be optimized for your processor/architecture
11:08<KCarlos>Erm, is there any way that an dist-upgrade can affect Gnome?
11:08<witte>andresvia: on the other hand, some i386 applications might not work as well (eg java plugins etc)
11:09<witte>KCarlos: yes
11:09<witte>KCarlos: many ways even
11:09<andresvia>How optimized? (%)
11:09<witte>andresvia: that depends, for a normal desktop, a lot of people use i386
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11:11<andresvia>I think the most logic is to use amd64, so I will.
11:12<witte>andresvia: make sure you have a look at the faq dpkg has sent you
11:13<evilbelgian> , i am using that guide to install my pcmia wireless network card . i am however blocked at the step where i need to place in this command
11:14<evilbelgian>echo acx >>/etc/modules
11:14<witte>evilbelgian: you have to do that in a shell
11:15<witte>evilbelgian: "tail -n1 /etc/modules" will show if you succeeded
11:15<witte>evilbelgian: shell == dos-like window ;-)
11:15<evilbelgian>oh terminal
11:15<witte>evilbelgian: you have to be root to do this
11:15<witte>evilbelgian: yes
11:15<evilbelgian>i am root
11:16<evilbelgian>and it gives no reaction
11:16<witte>evilbelgian: it just writes "acx" to the end of the /etc/modules
11:17<witte>evilbelgian: if you have a look in that file, you probably will see it htere
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11:17<evilbelgian>no not there
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11:18<witte>evilbelgian: last line?
11:18<evilbelgian>infact there is no folder called modules
11:18<witte>it is a file
11:19<evilbelgian>oh ok :P
11:19<evilbelgian>shout i relog
11:20<faclon>Hi, may someone help me with a problem. Every time I turn on the computer it appear the message Begin: waiting to mount root file system and there it hangs, I manually reboot the computer and then it can enter to the system.
11:20<witte>huh? what do you mean?
11:20<evilbelgian>likr log back in
11:21<witte>evilbelgian: no
11:21<witte>evilbelgian: if you do "echo acx >> /etc/modules" in a terminal, the file "/etc/modules" will have the value "acx" on the last line immediately, or it will give a error message
11:22<evilbelgian>yeah its there
11:22<evilbelgian>i saw it in the modules file
11:22<evilbelgian>3 times
11:22<evilbelgian>i kind of got ahead of myself
11:22<witte>evilbelgian: yes, that means you have done htat 3 times
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11:22<witte>evilbelgian: you could remove two of those, but that is not that important now
11:23<evilbelgian>so what next
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11:23<evilbelgian> allow-hotplug wlan0 says that allow-hotplug does not exist
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11:24<witte>evilbelgian: where do you put that
11:24<evilbelgian>in terminal
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11:24<witte>evilbelgian: read the page: open /etc/network/interfaces in an editor, and put it there
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11:27<evilbelgian>witte, the next code blurb for dynamic ip address do i paste the entire little blurby part or only the one line "iface wlan0 inet dhcp"
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11:29<witte>evilbelgian: what do you want: static IP or dynamic?
11:29<witte>evilbelgian: ok, just the "iface wlan0 init dhcp", without the "#"
11:30<evilbelgian>then that should be all
11:30<witte>evilbelgian: did you install the firmware?
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11:30<witte>evilbelgian: ok, close the editor, and do "modprobe acx"
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11:31<evilbelgian>i need to open the editor using terminal
11:31<evilbelgian>and i forgot the command again
11:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, editor is Something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. <vi> and <emacs> (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find <nano>, gedit, <nedit>, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. See also <binary editor>.
11:33<evilbelgian>ok modprobe
11:33<evilbelgian>now my wireless should work correct
11:33<Supaplex>dpkg: no duh
11:34<evilbelgian>*slaps hand on forhead*
11:34<witte>evilbelgian: you could check dmesg now to see if it works: "dmesg |tail -n 20", and post that to a pastbin
11:34<witte>!tell evilbelgian about paste
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11:37<witte>evilbelgian: as you can see, it does not work because your firmware is not at the correct place
11:39<evilbelgian>well it does say you cna put the firmware somewhere else if it doesn't work
11:39<evilbelgian>i will check the intructions
11:40<witte>evilbelgian: it should be in /lib/firmware
11:40<evilbelgian>it is
11:40<witte>can you do "ls /lib/firmware"
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11:40<evilbelgian>output = fw (name of firmware folder)
11:41<witte>evilbelgian: you mean that the firmware stands in /lib/firmware/fw/ and not in /lib/firmware ?
11:41<evilbelgian>i see your point
11:41<evilbelgian>i will commence the moving
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11:44<evilbelgian>uh moved it and did the whole dmeg tail thing again
11:44<evilbelgian>and it is still giving the same error
11:44<witte>evilbelgian: you will have to reload the driver: rmmod acx;modprobe acx
11:45<witte>evilbelgian: then do the dmesg tail thing again
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11:47<evilbelgian>thats the result of the demeg thing
11:47<KCarlos>Does debian Sid already have KDE4 for default or even can i install it later?
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11:48<evilbelgian>unless you specify during install you have to install it manually
11:48<Torsten_W>KCarlos: kde4 is not ready for enduser
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11:49<evilbelgian>thought he meant kde3 oops
11:49<KCarlos>So, i can't install it later?
11:49<witte>evilbelgian: it still did not work, you need something like tiacx111 in /lib/firmware, can you do "ls /lib/firmware" again and show it to me (in a pastebin)
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11:50<Woet>how to synchronize the time with NTP again?
11:50<Woet>timezone GMT+1
11:50<dpkg>[ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See or for more information.
11:50<dpkg>somebody said kde4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See, or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
11:51<Woet>i have ntp installed
11:51<Woet>what now?
11:51<KCarlos>I mean, install it for tests in Unstable
11:51<Woet>-bash: ntp: command not found
11:51<KCarlos>KDE4 i mean
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11:52<witte>Woet: ntp provides the ntpd daemon
11:52<Woet>thank you
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11:53<witte>Woet: /etc/ntp.conf
11:53<Woet>already fixed it, thanks.
11:54<evilbelgian>witte its only 2 lines , shall i just paste it
11:54<evilbelgian>acx100_1.0.7-USB acx100_1.10.7.i acx100_1.7.0 acx100_1.9.8.b acx111_0.4.11.4 acx111_1.2.0.30 acx111_2.3.1.31
11:54<evilbelgian>acx100_1.0.9-USB acx100_1.10.7.K acx100_1.9.10.0_A4 acx111_0.1.0.11 acx111_0.4.11.9 acx111_1.2.1.34 acx111_2.4.0.70-USB
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11:56<witte>evilbelgian: ok, there is no tiacx thing there, and one of those needs to renamed, or one of the config scripts needs to be adjusted
11:57<witte>evilbelgian: have a look at that wiki if you find anything concerning this (where did you find the firmware btw, i can't seem to find it)
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11:57<evilbelgian>i think i have to put the contents of one of the folder in /lib/firmware
11:57<evilbelgian>just reading to find out which
11:58<Woet>sending email with PHP takes around 2 minutes, then it fails without any error
11:59<Woet>someone has any idea?
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12:00<witte>evilbelgian: i think you just need to rename one of those in the /lib/firmware directory to tiacx111c16 and/or tiacx111
12:00<evilbelgian>inside the folders are files called tiacx111 AND tiacx111c16
12:01<witte>evilbelgian: there are?
12:01<witte>inside which folder?
12:01<evilbelgian>all of them
12:01<witte>evilbelgian: cp them to /lib/firmware
12:01<evilbelgian>doing already
12:01<witte>evilbelgian: the latest version only
12:02<evilbelgian>yeah running dmeg thing now
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12:02<evilbelgian>still giving same error
12:04<witte>evilbelgian: remove the module first, then modprobe again, and only then check
12:04<evilbelgian>removie module??
12:04<witte>evilbelgian: rmmod acx;modprobe acx;dmesg |tail -n 20
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12:06<evilbelgian>its probably working because i appear to be getting a little power light turning on with the actualy instrument
12:06<witte>evilbelgian: ifup wlan0
12:07<witte>evilbelgian: dhclient wlan0
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12:07<witte>evilbelgian: it works
12:07<evilbelgian>i think so
12:08<evilbelgian>i need to unplug the network cable to check properly
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12:08<witte>evilbelgian: /sbin/ifconfig
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12:08<witte>and look at the wlan0 entry and see if it has an IP
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12:09<ranix>evilbelgian: you can connect to two interfaces simultaneously and your routing table will be able to handle it
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12:09<ranix>You can even connect to like 5 different subnets or the same subnet two or three times and you shouldn't have any major problems
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12:10<njende>Hi Folks! I've got a real problem here. Basically what I need to do is to delete some files from a ntfs partition. Unfortunately it doesn't work. What I did is that I used Knoppix to boot and then I said: mount -t ntfs -rw /mnt/ -o umask=0
12:10<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
12:10<evilbelgian>witte: i'm not seeing any ip addresses
12:10<Torsten_W>njende: u need ntfs-3g for write-support
12:11<evilbelgian>for wlan0
12:11<witte>evilbelgian: did you do the dhclient wlan0
12:11<njende>Torsten_W: thanx I'll try tha
12:13<xr>acer really got linux on the desktop. try a acer aspire... awesome
12:13<ranix>acer is the main laptop dealer imo
12:13<ranix>they got it right
12:13<ranix>why would you pay $1000 for a piece of hardware that has a high probability of you breaking it accidentally every day
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12:14<ranix>bam, Acer Garbage Special
12:14<xr>hell yes. im still buzzing, cant believe this. back to ya soon
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12:16<evilbelgian>witte : yes
12:16<evilbelgian>i'll do it again to be sure
12:17<evilbelgian>i think their might be encryption on the netwrok i am going to check quick
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12:19<evilbelgian>yeah theres a wep key, how do i put that in
12:20<ranix>evilbelgian: iwconfig wlan0 wep=foo
12:20<ranix>evilbelgian: iwconfig --help helps also
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12:21<ranix>evilbelgian: iwconfig wlan0 key might also do it. Or key1?
12:21<ranix>or enc
12:21<ranix>iwconfig is a good friend to have regardless
12:21<ranix>evilbelgian: once you get the hang of it it'll be simple.
12:21<evilbelgian>i just used the networking tool that was under system in the menu
12:21<ranix>evilbelgian: there is no substitution for knowing the command line
12:22<evilbelgian>the "start menu" for lack of a better word
12:22<ranix>evilbelgian: there are no tools for the start menu. There is no GUI
12:22<ranix>evilbelgian: it will be easier if you leaern this now rather than later
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12:22<ranix>evilbelgian: gnome and KDE are hindrances that hurt new users more than they help
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12:22<evilbelgian>i like my fancy graphical interface
12:23<ranix>evilbelgian: you can use it for everyday work and web browsing and playing games and word processing and all the things you need a graphical interface for
12:23<amphi>a standalone wm with xterms is a fancy graphical interface
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12:23<ranix>evilbelgian: but you need the teminal to connect to networks and configure things. There is no "omg press all the buttons until it works" in Linux
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12:24<ranix>evilbelgian: it works the first time you get it right, and then it works every time after that because you know why it works
12:24*evilbelgian puts on his i am a linux noob T-shirt because apparently the point hasn't been made strongly enough (aimed at amphii)
12:25<amphi>evilbelgian: the problem with the DEs, AFAICS, is that they are quite opaque when something goes wrong
12:25<faclon>I am trying to install a tar and it give me this error You need to have the X11 libraries and headers installed, what packages do I need to install
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12:25<ranix>evilbelgian: the point I'm trying to make is that you shouldn't be paying so much attention to configuring the wireless and should be pay more attention to the METHOD by which you configure the wireless
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12:25<evilbelgian>ranix i get your point but at then end of the day what is the point of the millions of dollars invested in the graphics card industry if you are going to use the terminal the whole time
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12:26<ranix>evilbelgian: you're not going to use the terminal the whole time, just for doing things that should be done in the terminal. I don't use the terminal to play movies or games or browse the web or listen to Amarok
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12:26<ranix>evilbelgian: iwconfig --help and ifconfig --help are good starting points
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12:27<amphi>ranix: actually, mplayer works pretty well here with -vo fbdev ;)
12:28<evilbelgian>i'm sorry for being a bit bitchy its all my pent up frustration to the bastards who made the card in the first place and didn't bother to spend a bit of time making a driver which works on linux
12:28<hever>If I try to chroot " sudo -u 1014 chroot /xxx/chroot/" I got the error message "Operation not permitted". what rights needs 1014 to chroot ?
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12:29<amphi>evilbelgian: which card?
12:29<KCarlos>!ping dlink
12:29*dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell over dlink's head
12:29<evilbelgian>wireless network card
12:30<evilbelgian>made bye texas technologies or some other stupid name like that
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12:30<amphi>evilbelgian: lspci would say what it is
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12:30<evilbelgian>Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
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12:31<amphi>evilbelgian: heh, I've never heard of it either - where did you find it?
12:31<evilbelgian>oh i bought it about 2 years ago
12:32<evilbelgian>at a random pc store
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12:32<evilbelgian>needless to say it was the cheapest one there
12:32<amphi>evilbelgian: you've seen I presume?
12:32<evilbelgian>!texas instruments
12:32<evilbelgian>thats what i installed
12:33<dpkg>from memory, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life
12:33<evilbelgian>aaahhhh sweet bliss
12:34<amphi>evilbelgian: the firmware_class module is loaded?
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12:34<evilbelgian>the what did what with whos firm warez
12:35<amphi>evilbelgian: 'lsmod | grep firmware'
12:35<evilbelgian>it reacts
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12:35<evilbelgian>firmware_class 9600 2 acx,pcmcia
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12:36<amphi>evilbelgian: does 'ifconfig -a' show the interface?
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12:38<evilbelgian>it gives me the stats for various differant network devices but theres nothing that would be defined as an interface
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12:41<hever>If I try to chroot " sudo -u 1014 chroot /xxx/chroot/" I got the error message "Operation not permitted". what rights needs 1014 to chroot ?
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12:42<weazle>i know this isn't a proper question, but i installed LILO to my MBR on the harddrive where win XP was installed... how can i fix my MBR without the XP cd... windows will not load with lilo there
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12:42<amphi>evilbelgian: is the wireless interface there?
12:42<hever>weazle: use fdisk
12:42<hever>weazle: and mark the windows partion active
12:42<weazle>it is
12:43<evilbelgian>amphi: like i said there are statistics about the network but nothing i would call an interface
12:43<hever>weazle: and the flag is off for boot ?
12:43<amphi>evilbelgian: can you pastebin the output of ifconfig -a ?
12:43<weazle>no it is on
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12:44<weazle>lilo gives an option for win or linux... liux boots fine but windows won't
12:44<hever>weazle: mark windows active and /boot inactive
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12:44<hever>weazle: but lilo can handle it...
12:45<weazle>ok... i'll try that
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12:45<evilbelgian>there amphi
12:46<amphi>evilbelgian: wlan0 is suggestive ;)
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12:46<evilbelgian>so its working
12:46<usuario_>soy el profesor
12:46<amphi>evilbelgian: do you have two ethernet ports?
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12:46<usuario_>esto es una
12:47<usuario_>de como entrar en un chat
12:47<gloria>Bueno ya estamos aprendiendo algo que no sabia
12:47<evilbelgian>i am aware of the oddity that it thinks i have 2 ethernet ports
12:47<usuario_>estoy chateando con tigo
12:48<petri>si si
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12:48<gloria>Hola why are you speaking in English
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12:48<alex2>soy el profesor
12:48<alex2>de vera
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12:49<amphi>evilbelgian: does 'iwlist scan' output anything?
12:49<alex2>que tal como estan
12:49<alex2>les gusta la clase
12:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, en is english
12:49<amphi>!tell alex2 about es
12:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:49<gloria>estamos muy bien y muy contentos de poder aprender algo nuevo
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12:50<alex2>hay mucha gente
12:50<hdobis>who are you guys
12:51<amphi>we are all spartacus
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12:51<jesus2>que tal gloria
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12:52<gloria>yo estoy muy bien y tu
12:52<evilbelgianwhore>amphi its me evilbelgian. this is just my windows pc
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12:52<hdobis>o cool
12:52<amphi>evilbelgianwhore: it is, as you say, you
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12:52<hdobis>are you a boy
12:52<evilbelgianwhore>amphi: like i said iwlist scan does give an output
12:52<dkr>wherever you go, there you are.
12:52<KCarlos>You all should go to #debian-es , it's the spanish channel of debian, only click the link
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12:53<amphi>evilbelgianwhore: anything other than "interface does not support scanning"?
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12:53<amphi>evilbelgianwhore: can you pastebin the output?
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12:54<evilbelgian> there amphi
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12:56<amphi>evilbelgianwhore: looks to be working; try 'iwconfig wlan0 essid Home' and see if it associates
12:57<evilbelgian>amphi: i get nothing
12:58<amphi>evilbelgian: can you pastebin the output of 'iwconig wlan0'
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13:00<evilbelgian> there amphi oh and i changed the encryption key to stars, call it paranoia if you will
13:01<amphi>evilbelgian: brilliant :(
13:01<evilbelgian>gtg go dinner
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13:02<amphi>evilbelgian: you neeed to do 'iwconfig wlan0 key whatever' then
13:02<amphi>then you can try running dhclient wlan0
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13:09<brif8>After a user has logged in what is called in what sequence to display the desktop ? (eg gnome-panel => shows the top and bottom panels , nautilus => shows the desktop background and icons ) IS there something that call both in the right order or what ??
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13:12<ranix>brif8: gnome-desktop perhaps
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13:14<ian>anyone up for giving me a hand to install mysql-server-5.0?
13:14<ian>sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 works up until it tries to start mysqld, which fails
13:16<sco50000>how can i resize my "/" and "/home" partitions? parted won't resize them becaus ethey are mounted
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13:16<ian>do it when they arent mounted? try a livecd then use parted
13:18<amphi>sco50000: you need to boot from a livecd to do that; be prepared to lose everything ;)
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13:18<sco50000>amphi: i've backed up
13:18<amphi>sco50000: hurrah!
13:20<ian>hmm, my bind address is, which I can ping, so that's fine
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13:20<ian>I've tried purging it using apt-get, but then get the same error when reinstalling it
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13:21<ian>think it's worth rebooting?
13:21<sco50000>are there ant good CLI download accelerators?
13:21<ranix>download accelerator
13:22<sco50000>you don't know what that is ranix?
13:22<sebasti1405>could anyone help me to configure wine with mx440 ?
13:22<ranix>perhaps you would like to use a 'packet enhancer' as well
13:23<sco50000>ranix: download accellerators just make more than one connection to the source server and download more than one part of the file at the same time, and it goes faster
13:23<ranix>how about wget
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13:23<amphi>'packet enhancer', heh
13:24<brif8>ranix: I see a /usr/bin/gnome-desktop-item-edit but not just gnome-desktop ?
13:24<knoppix_>what you do?
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13:24<ranix>ah wget can't currently do that
13:24<ranix>that's interesting
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13:24<ranix>ok sco50000, I apologize
13:25<Guest119>i nothing cheking
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13:25<amphi>sco50000: apt-cache show axel
13:26<ranix>ah right brif8 the command is gnome-session
13:26<sco50000>amphi: yeah, i'm using axel right now
13:26<sco50000>amphi: just remembered someone talking about it yesterday
13:26<amphi>I never have, wget works well enough for me
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13:27<ranix>it used to be considered rude to make multiple connections to a site to download the same file
13:27<ranix>but I don't know about today. That was back in 56k days
13:27<sco50000>some big file downloading sites block download accellerators
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13:31<Rsavu>hello all. i am trying to get an irc server up and running. any tutorials for debian stable to achieve this?
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13:32<sco50000>Rsavu: you shouldn't use a tutorial to learn how to set up an IRCd
13:32<Rsavu>what should i use then?
13:33<sco50000>the documentation
13:33<Rsavu>with what server to start then?
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13:33<sco50000>the man files, documentation on the internet
13:33<sco50000>your choice for what server you use
13:34<Rsavu>please recommend one :)
13:34<sco50000>Inspircd is quite good IMO
13:34<Rsavu>thank you
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13:37<sco50000>how do i burn an iso image to a disk from the commandline?
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13:43<dkr>sco50000: cdrecord/wodim
13:44<sco50000>dkr: thanks
13:44<bolivarian>sco50000,for dvd: man growisofs > growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso
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13:46<sco50000>so wodim dev=/dev/cdrom <ISOfile> will burn the iso as an image to the cd?
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13:49<ian>it seems like using "mysql" is looking a socket in tmp, when it should be looking somewhere else (and I know the socket does exist in this other place now)
13:49<ian>anyone know how to change where it looks?
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13:49<debian>hi, what repos do i need to get source code ?? thx
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13:50<KCarlos>!tell someone -about debian
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13:52<Stevenking>hi zusammwn
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13:58<dpkg>To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>.
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14:16<ian>anyone know how to change the default socket that the mysql client uses?
14:16<dkr>ian: edit the config file obviously
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14:17<dkr>socket = /path/to/socket
14:17<ian>dkr: yeah, but which one? my.conf is set (in both server and client sections) to use /var/run/mysqld/ ...
14:17<dkr>in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
14:18<ian>yeah, got that set to /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
14:18<ian>yeah, both of them in the file
14:18<ian>but using "mysql" tries to use /tmp/mysqld.sock
14:19<dkr>mysql uses the socket= entry from the [client] section
14:19<ian>sorry, mysql tries to use /tmp/mysql.sock
14:19<dkr>maybe you have a ~/.my.cnf overriding the global my.cnf?
14:20<walrus>what is dpkg-source and why cant i find it at all ??
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14:20<valdyn>walrus: yes, why cant you?
14:21<valdyn>!tell walrus -about search
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14:21<walrus>valdyn: i cant even find info about it on deb package search =( ...
14:21<dkr>walrus: dpkg-dev
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14:22<walrus>dkr: valdyn: i did apt-get source install and i got this ...
14:22<ian>dkr: I can only find one, and it's pretty much empty. I'll have to look around for another. Thanks though, confirms that I've not been editing completely the wrong thing
14:22<dkr>walrus: I meant you need to install the dpkg-dev package to get the dpkg-source binary
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14:23<dkr>ian: strace -eopen mysql can show you which files mysqclient is opening
14:23<walrus>dkr: oh ... thanks a lot =)
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14:23<xpl>i have some strange things going on on my laptop
14:23<xpl>can somebody assist?
14:23<Guest124>hi, i have problems with my menu, some programs are missing in it, is there a command for do that the menu analize the system and put all the programs??
14:24<ian>dkr: thanks for that, I'll have a look at strace
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14:25<mikes__>hello all! is there any way to use a program so that i can convert a word to hex character codes?? for example a greek word to the hex of iso88597
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14:25<dkr>Guest124: if every single program on the system had a menu entry, it'd probably be unusable due to so many entries. heh
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14:26<xpl>I am trying to install debian on my laptop and every time it come to a certian point of installation process it simply turns itself off
14:26<Supaplex>fresh install of etch, why am I not seeing sources.list.d/* sources I just added when I run aptitude update?
14:26<dkr>mikes__: od -x
14:26<ian>dkr: thanks, that sorted it out. I thought the global one would be loaded anyway, and only overridden by a local file, seems like the global one wasn't being read at all. I copied it over to overwrite the local one and it works now
14:26<ian>dkr: thanks a lot :)
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14:27<Guest124>dkr: I don't mean that programs, i mean some programs i have installed recently like games. They appear whn i go to debian menu "Menu-->--Debian" But only there
14:27<dkr>ian: oh. I thought you just made a typo above. but maybe you really did name it my.conf instead of my.cnf? that was probably the issue
14:27<mikes__>thanks dkr
14:28<ian>dkr: ah, no that was a typo, they are all .cnf
14:28<dkr>ian: weird, well at least you got it working
14:29<ian>aye, now I can get to installing apache, php, gcc, etc, etc, etc! (first tick off the list :) )
14:29<dkr>Guest124: I don't know of any program to automate that. each package maintainer decides themselves whether to add their program to the gui menu postinstall
14:30<Guest124>hmm, intersting, i think i'll google a while...
14:30<dark>i have a problem. package libc6 versiaon 2.7-6 conflicts with package tzdata. as i know tzdata controls time. what can i do?
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14:30<dkr>ian: if you need gcc, best to install buld-essential it's a virtual package with gcc and all the other stuff you need to compile code
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14:31<dkr>dark: the functionality of the tzdata package was merged into the libc6 package, so you don't need a separate tzdata anymore(hence the conflict)
14:32<dkr>oops, or the other way around
14:32<dkr>used to be in libc,now split out to separate package
14:33<dark>thank i'll try
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14:34<xpl>can someone help me, please?
14:34<ian>memory error?
14:34<ian>try running memtest86
14:34<ian>or is it the same place each time?
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14:34<ian>(might still highlight a problem though, can't hurt to run it)
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14:36<dark>dkr: when i type apt-get remove tzdata apt-get types that all this packages will be removed
14:36<dark>acpid adduser alacarte alsa-base alsa-utils apt apt-utils aptitude at
14:36<dark> base-files base-passwd bash bc bind9-host binutils bittorrent bluez-gnome
14:36<dark> bsdmainutils bsdutils bug-buddy busybox bzip2 capplets-data cdrdao compiz
14:36<dark> compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-gtk compiz-plugins console-common
14:36<dark> console-cyrillic console-data console-terminus console-tools coreutils cpio
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14:37<dark>many packages will be removed
14:37<dark>how can i remove only tzdata
14:38<dkr>dark: I did have it backwards at first, you want tzdata. uhm, wait a minute. what distro is this?
14:39<dark>i have debian 4.0 and i want to install ntfs-3g
14:39<dkr>or sub distro. what is the proper term for stable vs testing vs unstable? :)
14:40<dkr>oh,so debian stable. but my debian stable has libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 why do you have 2.7?
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14:41<dark>no i have stable 3
14:41<dark>no i have stable 2.3.5-1
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14:42<dark>but ntfs-3g needs 2.7
14:42<dkr>what command gave you this problem? "package libc6 versiaon 2.7-6 conflicts with package tzdata"
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14:43<dark>dpkg -i libc6_2.7-6_amd64.deb
14:43<dpkg>package libc6_2.7-6_amd64.deb is already installed
14:43<dkr>dark: that is not true
14:43<dkr>dark: ntfs-3g requires libc6 >= 2.3.6-6
14:44<dkr>yikes, why did you do that dpkg -i?
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14:45<dark>do you know russian
14:45<dark>i'll write ntfs-3g install types
14:45<dkr>manually installing .debs like that is obviously not going to take into account dependencies. You should just use aptitude
14:46<Guest124>What's the KDE last version for Etch?
14:47<dkr>я говарю же очен немнога
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14:47<dark>так бы и сказал что русский)
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14:48<dkr>I just took one semester at university a decade ago. heh :)
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14:49<dark>apt-get can't find ntfs-3g in repositories
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14:49<lontra>does should packages that are just incoming to sid or does it show incoming to experimental as well?
14:49<dpkg>from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
14:51<dkr>how do I show which repo a package was installed from? well I guess I could use vrms to verify ntfs-3g package from non[free :)
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14:51<Torsten_W>dkr: apt-cache policy package
14:51<dkr>hrm, just says I have rar and unrar from non-free. not ntfs-3g
14:52<dpkg>i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at or ask me about <bpo>.
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14:52<dkr>oh, it's a backport. I forgot I did that for my home machine
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14:53<dkr>dark: well, there is the easy method to insteall ntfs-3g. use the backport as outlined above
14:53<dark>i think now i must add backports to my source.list?
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14:53<dpkg> is, like, an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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14:55<dark>i'm updating...)
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14:59<Guest124>The Backports are sure??
14:59<Guest124>safe i mean...
14:59<dark>hmm now i need libfuse2_2.7.2-1... and to to install this i need other fuse-utils
14:59<dark>i'll kill this depends)
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15:01<Felix>hola que tal
15:01<Felix>necesito un poco de ayuda
15:01<dark>english please
15:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:02<Guest124>Aui nadie habla español Felix, si quieres recibir ayuda en ingles ve a #debian-es
15:02<dkr>Guest124: generally. but ntfs-3g is still beta-ish
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15:02<Felix>I'm sorry
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15:02<dark>are there any utils to write on ntfs devices from linux?
15:02<dark>exept ntfs-3g
15:03<dkr>dark: aptitude install ntfs-3g should take care of the fuse depency automatically
15:03<dkr>I thin the other tools aside from ntfs-3g do not provide rw capability, just ro
15:05<dark>hmm really... i have a mistake... i thank that apt-get and aptitude it is the same
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15:07<dkr>they are very similar.aptitude just handles dependencies a bit better and keeps track of automatically installed packages vs manually instaled ones. so the etch and more recent manual/release notes recommends using aptitude
15:07<ranix>sorry, center click shenanigans
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15:10<SecretLine>hi, i got a problem, i installed etch yesterday, using dmraid udeb for amd64 to use my raid configuration, then i have setup grub, and everything it's ok, i got my debian working, but, the connection is the problem... i updated my sources.list with testing to upgrade, then i did apt-get update, but the mirrors are too slow, i tried with fi,se,cl(my country) and many mirror, and all goes slow
15:10<SecretLine>in iceweasel/epiphany i go faster, and i download at 200 kbps
15:10<SecretLine>but apt-get doesnt reach more than 10 kbps
15:11<SecretLine>i disabled ipv6, and it still
15:11<dark>do you try to dowload from this repositories with iceweasel
15:11<SecretLine>no, i didn't
15:11<SecretLine>but i tried
15:12<SecretLine>downloading aMSN
15:12<SecretLine>from its website
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15:12<SecretLine>and my other debian server wich has ipv6 activated, using the same repositories, got 200 kbps
15:13<dpkg>well, ipv6 is at, but supported in potato, or at Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or
15:13<dpkg>well, ipv4 is not as good as ipv6
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15:14<SecretLine>yes i know, but in ubuntuforums a guy with the same problem fixed it disabling ipv6
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15:14<SecretLine>so i tried, but didnt work
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15:16<SecretLine>any idea?
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15:17<SecretLine>oh, also i have 2 ethernet cards, so i pluged rj45 in both, and i got the same problem
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15:19<joyfulgirl>Hi all! So I boot to a terminal, to give me a chance to do things like software updates before starting X and/or just do quick work I don't need to keep the computer on for...anyway, lately, I've been getting the errors "DMA write timed out," "parport0: FIFO is stuck," and "parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio" fairly frequently imposing themselves in the middle of whatever I'm working on, and I'm not even sure ...
15:19<joyfulgirl>... what's spitting them out! Any ideas?
15:19<weld>when doing something like "sleep 100 &" in a bash script - how get the pid of sleep (to be used in the script) ?
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15:20<@weasel>joyfulgirl: the kernel.
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15:20<@weasel>weld: $!
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15:20<joyfulgirl>weasel: Okay. That's weird, though, because I haven't done a kernel upgrade lately...
15:21<weld>weasel: omg, thanks! :)
15:21<@weasel>weld: man bash
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15:21<@weasel> ! Expands to the process ID of the most recently executed back-
15:21<@weasel> ground (asynchronous) command.
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15:26<SecretLine>well, i'll ask again...
15:26<SecretLine>hi, i got a problem, i installed etch yesterday, using dmraid udeb for amd64 to use my raid configuration, then i have setup grub, and everything it's ok, i got my debian working, but, the connection is the problem... i updated my sources.list with testing to upgrade, then i did apt-get update, but the mirrors are too slow, i tried with fi,se,cl(my country) and many mirror, and all goes slow
15:27<SecretLine>also i tried disabling ipv6, and it stills slow
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15:33<ranix>SecretLine: I use the mirrors because I'm on the east coast
15:33<ranix>SecretLine: if you're far away from your mirror, try a different one
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15:37<samer>hi everyone :)
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15:40<samer>i need some help, i was in here last night
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15:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:47<samer>oh ok :)
15:48<samer>i was in here last night shivraj was helping me out and then it got too late so i didn't finished setting up
15:48<samer>i was trying to get my usb dlink to work
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15:52<Killing_Frost>Anyone know the best package to use to convert ogg's to mp3's?
15:52<joyfulgirl>samer: I'm afraid I don't know anything about this, but I think you'll get more help if you first briefly explain what you've done and where you are in the process
15:52<joyfulgirl>Killing_Frost: You can probably use sox, but if I can ask...why?
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15:53<samer>joyfulgirl: kk umm last night they guided me through installing it using RT73 drivers
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15:53<Killing_Frost>So more clients will play them.
15:53<samer>joyfulgirl: and then i got to the part where i do m-a a-i rtxxxx-srouces
15:53<joyfulgirl>samer: I don't know how to do this, I'm afraid, so also you're going to want to talk to the channel :-)
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15:54<joyfulgirl>samer: It was just a word of advice, sorry...
15:54<samer>should i just stay in here and wait for someone?
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15:55<Killing_Frost>Just used totem, to rip some CDs. Plan on sharing a few vfat partitions with Windows and having access to the files. from multiple OSes.
15:55<joyfulgirl>Killing_Frost: Ah, I see...I mean, it's possible to get vorbis support in iTunes and others, I know...:-/...Anyway, sox should do the trick. Otherwise, you could always use oggdec and lame, or a mencoder script...there's always a variety of ways.
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15:56<joyfulgirl>samer: I mean, I'd probably just post as much info. as succinctly as you can, and if nobody replies for a while try again in a might, in the meantime, post on the forums
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15:57<Killing_Frost>is sox a cli client? I'm also blind and some of the gui apps aren't supported by gnome-orca?
15:57<samer>joyfulgirl: how could i find out which chipset my card is using, i couldn't find it on google
15:58<joyfulgirl>samer: I'm afraid I just don't know.
15:58<samer>ok :) thanks for the help
15:58<joyfulgirl>samer: such as it is.
15:59<joyfulgirl>Killing_Frost: Yes, it's cli...if you'd prefer GUI, um...I don't know what to suggest, honestly.
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16:00*Killing_Frost can handle anything on the
16:00<Killing_Frost>Chipset on what?
16:00<donny>hi all. in a default Etch install, where/when/how does the sound mixer get started? i have a USB audio dac and i'm curious about trying to get it to work automatically without rebooting
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16:01<Killing_Frost>The lshw package might be able to help identifying hardware.
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16:03<Killing_Frost>donny: You running alsa? You might find it in /etc/init.d/*
16:03<donny>Killing_Frost: is alsa used in a default etch install?
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16:04<Killing_Frost>Most likely. I've forgotten if the install asked which sound server you wanted to run.
16:05<Killing_Frost>Was running alsa in etch tho.
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16:06<Killing_Frost>You can always cd to /etc/init.d and do a 'whatis *'
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16:09<RedNifre>Hello! I just burnt all the content of an external FAT32 HD to DVDs and want to reformat it with a tiny FAT-partition and a large EXT2 partition. How to do that? (I'm a Linux-beginner, using Debian/Gnome)
16:10<amphi>RedNifre: cfdisk makes it quite easy to repartition
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16:10<RedNifre>Thank you, I'll try that.
16:10<sepski>RedNifre, gparted if you want a pointy clickety tool
16:10<Killing_Frost>Thanks again joyfulgirl.
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16:16<squizikcy>'afternoon (at least here!), folks!
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16:16<squizikcy>is there a more appropriate place to ask for help with a dependency problem with the squirrelmail package, or did I come to the right place? I emailed the maintainers a few days ago - no response.
16:17<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: what's the precise problem?
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16:18<dondelelcaro>(considering that squirrelmail hardly depends on anything, I'd be rather surprised if it was the cause of any problems)
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16:18<squizikcy>when I try to install squirrelmail, apt insists on pulling in apache2. This is despite having lighttpd installed (and php5-cgi etc.) Far as I can tell, everything in the package *looks* right on
16:18<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: does lighttpd provide httpd?
16:18<squizikcy>lighttpd and php5-cgi should satisfy the virtual dependencies squirrelmail has
16:19<squizikcy>yeah, I'm pretty sure- I can triple check
16:19<dondelelcaro>I mean, Debian's sure does, but does whatever lighttpd you've got installed satisfy it?
16:19<squizikcy>everything is debian.
16:19<squizikcy>no hand-instaled stuff.
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16:20<squizikcy>hmm. wasn't much help- is there a command to look up what virtual packages lighttpd provides?
16:21<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: and what does apt-cache show lighttpd|grep Provides; output on your system?
16:21<squizikcy>one sec
16:21<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: also the output of apt-cache show squirellmail|grep Depends; would be useful
16:21<squizikcy>Provides: httpd, httpd-cgi
16:21<squizikcy>Provides: httpd, httpd-cgi
16:21<dondelelcaro>(err, with suirrelmail spelld properly, of course)
16:21<squizikcy>Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php5 | php5 | php5-cgi | libapache2-mod-php4 | libapache-mod-php4 | php4-cgi | php4, perl
16:21<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: and dpkg -l php5-cgi?
16:22<squizikcy>ii php5-cgi 5.2.4-2+b1 yaadda yadda
16:22<dondelelcaro>ok, then it should be working. What are you using to install squirrelmail?
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16:22<squizikcy>apt-get install squirrelmail :-)
16:23<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: run aptitude install squirrelmail; and give us the full output if it doesn't want to install it directly.
16:23<lz1gjd>is there a knews like news ticker for gtk ?
16:23<squizikcy>k, one sec
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16:23<SecretLine>what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
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16:24<dondelelcaro>SecretLine: quite a bit
16:24<JustSoul>good evening
16:24<squizikcy>arg, I can't remember a pasteboard site
16:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:24<squizikcy>bingo :-)
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16:25<JustSoul>How make it: " $i=$i+1 " ?
16:25<JustSoul>in bash
16:25<dondelelcaro>JustSoul: $(()); man bash
16:25<squizikcy>same output as apt-get install, pretty much,.
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16:26<RedNifre>I started GParted from the console, after using "su". I also found the HD I want to format, but when I right-click on the HD I'm not allowed to click "Format-To" and the HD has a tiny lock-icon in the partition column. How can I allow myself to reformat the HD?
16:26<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: hrm... I'd run aptitude, and just hit + on squirellmail, then if it tries to enable apache2 as well, hit - on it, and see what breaks.
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16:26<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: dpkg -l lighttpd; outputs sane things, right?
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16:27<squizikcy>ack, I hate aptitude
16:27<dondelelcaro>hit ? if you're lost
16:27<dondelelcaro>and you actually should learn to love aptitude
16:27<squizikcy>I know, I've been in here before, I just find it completely impossible to work in.
16:27<squizikcy>er, in aptitude before
16:28<dondelelcaro>it can do things that are impossible to do in apt-get, and handle finding solutions to problems that would take thousand character long commands using apt-get
16:28<otho>are you comparing aptitude to apt-get or synaptic?
16:28<squizikcy>I still find it a royal pain in the ass :-)
16:28<Rat409>RedNifre: right-click>unmount ?
16:28<dondelelcaro>it's actually surprisingly easy. dselect now...
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16:29<otho>aptitude search whatever/install whatever is easy enough
16:29<RedNifre>Ok, didn't know that. I thought unmounting meant something equivalent to "savely remove from the system, so you can disconnect the cable". Thank you.
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16:30<Rat409>and aptitude handles meta-pkgs and dependencies better,especially dist-upgrades
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16:31<otho>yes aptitude removes all kde4 metapackage deps ater you realize it is in experimental for a reason
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16:32<squizikcy>ok, I think it worked
16:32<squizikcy>still leaves the question of "why didn't apt pick up on the virtual httpd package provided by lighttpd"
16:32<RedNifre>I'm now about to reformat the HD. Strangely, I'm only allowed to format as "ext2", "ext3", "linux-swap" or "unformated". FAT appears in the list, but it is grey (can't be selected). Do I have to change something to allow myself to format is as FAT?
16:32<lz1gjd>hey once i saw a command for crashing linux, it was something like {(}{}{})()(
16:33<lz1gjd>could any1 tell me the exact command
16:33<squizikcy>*slaps forehead*
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16:33<otho>lz1gjd i think they patched the random characters crash bug yesterday
16:33<dondelelcaro>lz1gjd: uh... if such a command is known to exist, it gets fixed.
16:33<dondelelcaro>(and stops existing rather rapidly)
16:33<lz1gjd>otho: hihi :)
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16:34<lz1gjd>i think it was something like a script in one line which continiously fills the memory and then swap and makes the system inoperable
16:35<dondelelcaro>a forkbomb will do that
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16:35<dondelelcaro>which is probably what your "command" was, however, most systems have ulimits in place, which stop that sort of thing from happening.
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16:35<squizikcy>now this is weird- lighttpd won't start :(
16:36<RedNifre>Does someone know how to create a small FAT-partition with GParted? It appears in the format-list but can't be selected. :-/
16:36<lz1gjd>yeah i guess, im just curious, it was really cool, only with { | } () symbols
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16:38<lz1gjd>ah there it is : :(){ :|:& };:
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16:40<squizikcy>dondelelcaro: thanks for the help. I have no idea how the hell it happened, but lighttpd seems to have been partially uninstalled.
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16:40<RedNifre>Hm, I also can't just resize the existing FAT partition. Is GParted the wrong tool for handling FAT?
16:40<dondelelcaro>squizikcy: I imagine that if you looked carefully at the dpkg -l lighttpd; output, you would have noticed that...
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16:42<squizikcy>except a)I did, and b)I never uninstalled lighttpd
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16:42<squizikcy>and c)nobody else has access to this system
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16:43<squizikcy>dpkg.log doesn't show an uninstall.
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16:44<squizikcy>hmm, looks like maybe an update failed
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16:45<c7b3r>i have a problem with mi 7lib directory
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17:22<hever>Hej. I need proftpd 1.3.1 but on etch only proftpd 1.3.0 is available. Is there any backport (I just looked at Can I apt-source the testing version and create a debian package for etch wich don't need a libc6 > 2.3.5 ? Or can I build a debian package myself (without checkinstall which isn't available for debian etch)?
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17:25<hever>My problem is creating a debian package from the source on etch...
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17:26<dpkg> is, like, an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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17:30<creeed>hever, alien can convert between different binary packages, but from the source!?
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17:34<dondelelcaro>creeed: you don't usually convert source packages.
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17:35<hever>creeed: I used alien sometimes to convert rpms to debs. but can it also convert testing debs to stable debs ? (to a lower libc version and other dependencies?)
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17:37<creeed>hever, I dont think so
17:37<creeed>dondelelcaro, no I dont
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17:46<desertc>Hi all. Is there anyone from the VOIP team around?
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17:47<desertc>I have a question about the Speex package in Debian.
17:47<RedNifre>I changed the format of an external HD to ext2. Now, the owner of the HD appears to be "root". How can I change the owner to my normal user name, so I don't need root for write access?
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17:48<RedNifre>Thank you, I'll read the man-page...
17:49<SecretLine>chown -Rf username /partition-point
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17:51<RedNifre>The external HD appears as "usbdisk" in /media. So, I just type "chown -Rf james /media/usbdisk" exactly like that?
17:51<hever>dkr: In the backports is also just the 1.3.0 version i think. I updated my source.list and ran apt-cache show proftpd.
17:51<hever>How can I create a debian package from the source on etch ?
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17:52<dooder>hi, does somebody know how to enable sound with emu10k1 without the "ac97_codec.c:2061: AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET" failure?
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17:53<samer>hi everyone :)
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17:54<samer>is there a way to load my debian partion from windows, like a virtual machine sort of thing
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17:56<SecretLine>RedNifre> sorry for the late, chown -Rf james /media/usbdisk/*
17:56<SecretLine>i always put *
17:56<RedNifre>The partition is new and completely empty, but that doesn't matter, right?
17:57<philipp>i am drunken
17:57<philipp>so i like you all
17:57<philipp>have a nice day
17:57<samer>you too philipp
17:58<SecretLine>RedNifre> nop, doesnt matter
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17:58<RedNifre>It does not seem to work. Owner is still "root"
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18:00<SecretLine>RedNifre> try with chown -Rf james /media/usbdisk
18:00<hever>I think its possible to build proftpd from source on debian etch. But I want it in a debian package for an easy deploy and remove.
18:00<hever>I'm going to build it myself I mean.
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18:03<RedNifre>Hm, something really strange happened. After I just removed and plugged in again the external HD I now see something in /media that has the name of the HD, but the size is reported as 32GB. This makes no sense, because the external HD only has a 16MB FAT16 partition and a >200 GB ext2 partition. The two "usbdisk" and "usbdisk-1" that represent the two partitions (correct size) don't appear. :-|
18:03<RedNifre>Very confusing. :-/
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18:04<RedNifre>Maybe I should reboot. Be right back...
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18:05<hever>Do you know other tools like checkinstall ?
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18:10<RedNifre>Everything is great now: after reboot, my normal user account is now the owner of the two partitions on the external hard drive! Thank you for your help!
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18:22<hever>Ok at first I thought "Oh noo it will be a lot of work". But then it was again suprised by debian and what these bots do for us ;)
18:22<hever>!simple sid backport
18:22<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
18:22<eldowan>does anyone else use acroread v8?
18:23<hever>Its quite easy to make your own backport ;)
18:23<themill>eldowan: yes, but only very occasionally
18:23<hever>thanks dpkg ;)
18:23<dpkg>my pleasure, hever
18:24<eldowan>themill: I'm having an issue where v8 borks on maximize. Either it will display the minimized area in a windowboxed area, or it will maximize correctly, but have the pdf show past the edge of the screen. Do Either of these things happen to you using v8?
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18:25<themill>eldowan: no. But I only use it once every few months. Normally, kpdf is quite sufficient for me. Are you using the debian-multimedia package? (I have no idea what the difference might be)
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18:26<eldowan>themill: I've tried the debian-multimedia and the official tarball. I have a dual head setup, using nvidia drivers.
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18:27<eldowan>themill: I'll probably get rid of it, and install 7 again(I did like the 3d display though).
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18:27<anotherjason>i've got a problem with dpkg on etch - any package installation I try (either via dpkg or apt) produces: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `less' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
18:27<anotherjason>13018 files and directories currently installed.)
18:27<anotherjason>Preparing to replace less 394-4 (using less_394-4_i386.deb) ...
18:27<anotherjason>dpkg: error processing less_394-4_i386.deb (--install):
18:27<anotherjason> unable to install updated status of `less': No such file or directory
18:27<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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18:27<eldowan>themill: Did you ever toy with the adobe3d pdfs?
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18:28<themill>no, I use pdfs a lot, but almost only for text + pictures.
18:30<eldowan>themill: I actually upgraded to 8 to test and see if the 3d support was included. I only wanted to seeif it worked... :( shouldn't have fixed what wasn't broken. Oh well.
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18:32<themill>ahh.... I can imagine that dual head is problematic... but staying with what works is often an advantage. particularly with non-free stuff. I will quite happily stick with kpdf for the time being then :)
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18:32<eldowan>themill: sounds like a good idea. Have a nice weekend if you get them.
18:32<ranix>I use acroread v8 at work
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18:33<anotherjason>sorry about pasting the error - brainfreeze :-( ... posted it at
18:33<ranix>for inline pdf viewing in firefox
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18:33<themill>ranix: I cracked it with plugins a long time ago and stick to separate viewers.
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18:34<Aleric>How can I do a wildcard search on package names of packages that do not have installed?
18:34<themill>anotherjason: what's "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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18:35<anotherjason>themill: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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18:35<themill>anotherjason: hmmm.... having dpkg segfault is a bad look.
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18:37<anotherjason>themill: this is on a relatively fresh install, haven't done anything unusual with it
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18:38<themill>anotherjason: is your disk full? (output of df)
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18:39<anotherjason>themill: no, plenty of space left on all partitions (max is 14% used on /boot)
18:39<xpl>does somebody know where can i find something about bridging the connections ?
18:40<xpl>I have cable internet modem connected to my desktop with usb
18:40<@weasel>either your disks or your memory is bad.
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18:40<xpl>and a laptop which is connected to my desktop computer with lan cabel
18:41<@weasel>xpl: google for masquerading or NAT.
18:41<@weasel>bridging is not what you want
18:41<xpl>ok I wasnt sure about the expression
18:41<Aleric>How can I find the name of the Source package when I have the name of a binary package that is not installed?
18:42<xpl>I had to explain it somehow
18:42<@weasel>Aleric: apt-cache show $binary
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18:43<anotherjason>weasel: was the bad disk/memory comment targeted to me?
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18:43<Aleric>weasel: It seems like the nvidia kernel modules are ripped from 'testing' again, right?
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18:43<@weasel>anotherjason: start by running memtest86+
18:43<@weasel>Aleric: I wouldn't know.
18:44<anotherjason>weasel: darn, was hoping it wasn't... this is at a hosting company, which means a fight with them to prove it's bad
18:44<@weasel>you could also run debsums
18:44<@weasel>to see if just the binaries are bad
18:44<sk>Hi, when running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' it only asks me about keyboard configuration, any ideas?
18:44<@weasel>and badblocks to see if your disk is bad (be careful not to use destructive write mode)
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18:45<anotherjason>thanks, i'll try thta
18:45<samer>hey, i'm getting the following error "_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-unix-print-2.0' found"
18:45<samer>what's gtk+-unix-print-2.0
18:46<SecretLine>there's iceweasel 3 beta?
18:47<samer>i find it weird that they renamed ff to iceweasel
18:47<themill>samer: it wasn't debian's choice.
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18:48<samer>anyone knows what gtk+-unix-print-2.0 is?
18:48<@weasel>a package?
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18:49<samer>i can't find a way to install it though, and the ff build is telling me that the pkg is not found
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18:49<sk>is dexconf the same as 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ?
18:49<@weasel>samer: why not simply install iceweasel?
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18:50<samer>it's for one of my classes, we're working on mozilla projects and need to build ff
18:50<Aleric>That's why they renamed it, to prefend you from doing that.
18:50<@weasel>Aleric: stop spreading garbage.
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18:51<legis>Hi, when running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' it only asks me about keyboard configuration, any ideas?
18:51<weasel>maybe if you repeat it a fourth or fifth time somebody will know.
18:52<samer>so how could i get that package accessible?
18:52<legis>oh i though #debian couldn't see my msgs
18:52<legis>cause i didn't own the nick
18:52<ranix>legis: apt-get install x-window-system
18:52<Aleric>Nah, he's just making a point that humor is garbage, but a sarcastic remark like that isn't.
18:52<ranix>actually I'm sorry
18:52<ranix>now it's apt-get install xorg
18:53<legis>ranix: i did that
18:53<ranix>what happens if you do it again
18:53<themill>legis: you can get more options with dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
18:54<legis>ranix: reinstall xorg again?
18:54<legis>themill: let me try
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18:54<legis>themill: same, only ask for keyboard configuration
18:55<legis>what utility creates the X config during install?
18:55<themill>debconf, i.e. dpkg-reconfigure.
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19:00<aileen>hello. i want to know what i do with the login that taking too long time
19:01<hathe>aileen: is lo device active?
19:02<aileen>how i see that?
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19:04<hathe>aileen: rep lo /etc/network/interfaces
19:04<hathe>aileen: grep lo /etc/network/interfaces
19:06<aileen>i see auto lo entry
19:06<hathe>aileen: then forget my hunch ;)
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19:09<Guest150> i want to know why login and shutdown takes too long
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19:12<dondelelcaro>Guest150: where in particular is it taking too long? where are you logging in from/to?
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19:13<Guest150>i login to gnome after the pc boot up
19:13<Aleric>keyword: where
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19:23<weld>hi, i can't remember the command to change /path/foo/ -> /path/foo or something like this :)
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19:32<themill>@wb abrotman
19:32<ravenbird>Welcome back abrotman, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chili.
19:32<themill>lots of that chili going around of late.
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20:03<gene2>can somebody help me with adding a module to auto load upon boot? I have a module that I can load manually using insmod and I have the actual .ko but where do I need to put and what do I need to run so I can load it using modprobe?
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20:06<blarson>gene2: add the module name to /etc/modues . It should be in /lib/modules/<kernel-version>
20:07<blarson>that's /etc/modules
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20:08<gene2>jjust there? i know about /etc/modules and /lib/modules/<kernel version> nothing else?
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20:08<gene2>i thought there is some command I have to run to initialize that the module is there
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20:09<gene2>because modinfo will not find it
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20:15*Aleric updated the scripts to build/install nvidia drivers as debian packages to work with 169.x and produce glx_ia32 libs on amd64 (
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20:24<gene2>i moved a module into /lib/modules/<kernel version/misc how can I update whatever it is I need to update so I can use modprobe to load this module?
20:26<amphi>depmod -a
20:27<gene2>THANK YOU! so much!
20:27<gene2>you the man!
20:28<gene2>knew it was something very simple but never done it
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20:44<cookiepus>hi dudes
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20:45<cookiepus>OK i somehow messed up my system by doing an upgrade... now none of my /dev/input/mouse* devices seem to exist. what do i do? ;)
20:45<hellues>i have a problem
20:45<hellues>i have a wirless card that debian does not know
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20:45<hellues> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
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20:45<hellues>how can i solve
20:46<hellues>are there a package ?
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20:49<amphi>hellues: it's in 2.4.26; otherwise you'll need to get mac80211 and iwlwifi from and build the driver; you'll also need the firmware
20:50<cookiepus>can someone please help with the mouse issue? I don't know where to start.
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20:50<hellues>how can i find firmware
20:50<hellues>and how can i build that
20:50<amphi>hellues: look at the site
20:50<hellues>i have no internet connection
20:50<hellues>i am in ubuntu live
20:51<hellues>i learn everytihng and i pass debian
20:51<hellues>i apply without internet connectioon
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20:52<amphi>that makes it more complicated
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20:53<hellues>hmm but i have to
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20:53<hellues>mac80211 may not work
20:53<hellues>does it
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20:53<amphi>hellues: their one patches the in-kernel one IIRC
20:54<amphi>hellues: it might be simpler to d/l 2.6.24 from, and build it
20:54<amphi>hellues: I'm running that here on debian testing, and it appears to work well
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20:54<cookiepus>got it! thanks for all the help
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20:55<creeed>at the work I seted my connection unser a proxy with export http_proxy... now I should remove this proxy-konfiguration on doing "unset http_proxy", this resolve the problem just for some time, I should every time when I log out and again on do the same, in /etc/profiles is nothing about http_proxy! can someone help please?
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20:58<xpl>I have a dilemma about IP masquerade
20:58<xpl>I installed ipmosq module
20:58<xpl>sorry ipmasq*
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20:59<xpl>and in the manual i read says the module would configure the settings itself
21:00<xpl>and then it says it all over -- that i have finished installing the ip masquerade
21:01<hellues>i ask other quenstion
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21:01<hellues>debian uses kernel-image-2-6-..
21:01<xpl>but when i try to access internet from a computer connected via lan to this which i am currently using
21:01<hellues>what the kernel version of debian lenny
21:02<amphi>hellues: which branch? testing has .22
21:02<xpl>it says: unknow host www...
21:02<xpl>so what should I do?
21:02<hellues>i am not sure
21:02<Alam_Debian>craigevil, modify /etc/environment ?
21:03<amphi>hellues: lenny has .22
21:03<xpl>anybody, IP masquerade?
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21:03<hellues>so ?
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21:03<hellues>how can i take kernel-source
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21:05<creeed>I set my connection under a proxy with export http_proxy... in the Future I should remove this configuration to get back my direkt on doing "unset http_proxy", but this way resolve the problem just for some time, I should every time when I log out and again on do the same, in /etc/profiles is nothing about http_proxy! can someone help please?
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21:07<amphi>hellues: go to ;)
21:07<hellues>i dont knıow
21:07<hellues>what the kernel version is
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21:08<Alam_Debian>creeed, modify /etc/environment ?
21:08<rasp>is it possible for me to make every file inside a certain dir read write exacutable
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21:08<amphi>hellues: 2.6.24 has support for your wireless card, none previous AFAIK
21:09<rasp>even if the dir has dir inside dir
21:09<xpl>can somebody help me, i am having problems with IP maquerade?
21:09<creeed>Alam_Debian, I see just one line there, and nothing about http_proxy!
21:09<Alam_Debian>how about 'grep -R http_proxy /etc'?
21:10<vook>some may benefit :
21:10<Aleric>I keep forgetting this :( ... how can I leave X completely?
21:10<Aleric>Ie, turn off xdm
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21:11<ranix>should we even be here right now?
21:11<ranix>I mean, the Large Hadron Collider is going to annihilate the world in just over three months
21:11<ranix>maybe we should be living life
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21:11<Aleric>It is?
21:11<Aleric>got an url about it?
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21:12<Aleric>(I meant gdm .. how can I stop gdm, so that I can restart X with startx ?)
21:12<ranix>it might create a black hole and suck earth in
21:12<Aleric>That is unlikely
21:12<ranix>but it is very possible
21:12<Lucky>grub fails to install using the standard etch installer with "Executing grub-install failed". How do I fix this?
21:12<Aleric>It is at least as unlikely as cold fusion.
21:13<ranix>I'm going to buy canned food anyway
21:13<Lucky>Alt-F4 says: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
21:14<Nemoder>Aleric: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
21:14<Aleric>It would suck pretty much though,... if they created a tiny black hole that then fell into the Earth... there is absolutely nothing you can do :)
21:14<hellues>You need to configure your kernel to include d82011 and then build those modules:
21:14<hellues>how can i do this thing ?
21:15<vook>Aleric: go to /etc/rc2.d/ and rename S##gdm to K##gdm (that'll disable it from starting at boot)
21:15<Nemoder>or just apt-get remove gdm, then reinstall it if you want it back
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21:17<vook>Lucky: you may have to use the --force-lba switch in with grub-install
21:17<Xenguy>dpkg scroogle is a proxy that you can use to search google, but doesn't store search-term records or cookies, and deletes all access logs within 48 hours; or for SSL/encrypted google searching (useful at work!) see and
21:17<dpkg>Xenguy: okay
21:17<Aleric>I read a book once about a race that destroyed planets that way: they dropped two black holes into the planet that started to orbit around eachother inside the planet (they don't even see the matter of the planet as resistance) - after a while they would collide and then there was some reaction so that the whole planet exploded (or whatever, but until then life was still possible). The book was about the fact that another alien race contacte
21:17<Aleric>d the main character(s) to rescue them. However, all they could do was rescue a handful of humans: even the other alien race could not do anything against the black holes.
21:18<Aleric>Nemoder, vook: thanks
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21:20<Lucky>vook: how do I do this from the installer GUI (or the console in the F4 window)?
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21:21*Aleric is now using: ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3-amd64 version 169.09+beta NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22
21:21<vook>Lucky: is the installation complete (and just waiting for grub to complete successfully)?
21:22<xpl>!ask can somebody help me with ip masquerade
21:22<Lucky>vook: the installation is to the point where it tries to install grub. I.e. the packages have dowloaded.
21:24<vook>Lucky: you'll type something like "grub-install /dev/hda --no-floppy --force-lba" - the command may vary though depending on where you want grub to install and the type of hardware you have. The command I listed will install grub to the mbr on /dev/hda and the grub files to /boot.
21:24<vook>Lucky: grub-install --help
21:25<Lucky>vook: Thanks. Will try.
21:25<Lucky>(This is a 2.2 TB volume, may this be one of the issues)?
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21:26<vook>it could (not the size but the configuration and hardware (array, bios of your system))
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21:29<Lucky>vook: where is grub-install located?
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21:32<vook>Lucky: erg - I regret that I don't remember off hand how the installer goes about installing grub. In an installed system, it's in /usr/sbin. The debian installer may use a different command (or busybox or something).
21:32<Lucky>vook: ah. Found it i /target/sbin
21:33<Lucky>vook: no luck "Your /usr is broken; please fix it before calling this wrapper!"
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21:34<vook>Lucky: try chroot /target, then try again.
21:35<vook>no, that would work correctly unless after doing so you mount all your volumes (proc, dev, etc...)
21:35<Lucky>vook: OK, now I get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" again.
21:35<Lucky>At least it doesn't complain about /usr anymore.
21:36<ranix>you didn't put /boot on a raid array did you
21:37<vook>once you've chrooted, you'll probably have to mount everything - go through /etc/fstab and mount everything before trying grub-install again
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21:39<Lucky>ranix: well, I am in a VMware ESX VM, so it is physically on a RAID, but to Debian it should just look like a SCSI drive. (I tested this install like crazy all day. No problems until I switched to a larger file system).
21:40<ranix>Lucky: yeah you're right. Should be no problem
21:40<vook>Lucky: so do you have just one big 2.2 tb root?
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21:41<vook>Lucky: you can always try lilo
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21:42<Lucky>vook: I have a 500MB /boot and the rest is an encrypted partition divided up into LVM logical volumes.
21:42<hellues>while installing debian
21:43<hellues>i forget to enter a passwd for root
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21:43<hellues>it is problem
21:43<hellues>because i cannot use su coomand
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21:43<hellues>how can i set root passwd
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21:44<ranix>hellues: log in as root with a blank password
21:44<ranix>then use the passwd command
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21:44<oompa-loompa>anyone know a good database designer for mysql?
21:45<ranix>oompa-loompa: I know this guy
21:45<ranix>he's a friend of my girlfriend's brother
21:45<ranix>I could introduce you
21:45<hellues>i log in
21:45<oompa-loompa>errr .... Im not dude
21:45<hellues>after ?
21:45<ranix>log in as root
21:45<hellues>i logged in
21:46<ranix>ok use passwd
21:46<ranix>and then you're done
21:46<ranix>but ranix, is it really that simple? yes it is
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21:49<hellues>lenny repo has kernel 2-6-24
21:49<vook>Lucky: what the &*@ do you need 500mb on /boot for? :) I dunno - try lilo, you're already chrooted - if you have everything mounted and the install pc is networked, you can just apt-get install lilo. can't hurt.
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21:50<gsimmons>hellues: lenny has 2.6.22 at this time, sid has 2.6.24.
21:50<hellues>my repo
21:50<hellues>does not have
21:51<hellues>kernel-image package and kernel source
21:52<oompa-loompa>so any goo database designer for MySQL ?
21:52<hellues>does 2.6.22 have a problem with ipw 4965
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21:53<hellues>no repo
21:53<vook>Lucky: though I can't help you much further, I can say that at this point I'd probably just let debian finish without a bootloader and boot into a live cd and chroot to fix the bootloader issue.
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21:55<amphi>hellues: there's no driver in that kernel, as I told you
21:55<hellues>i cannot find a repo for kernel-source 2.6.22
21:55<hellues>suggestion ?
21:55<amphi>apt-cache search
21:55<gsimmons>hellues: You'd want the 'linux-source-2.6.22' package in testing.
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21:57<amphi>you will still need mac80211 and iwlwifi (and firmware) from
21:57<amphi>read the site and the READMEs and INSTALLs in the tarballs
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21:59<sco50000>uname -o isn't very specific, it just says GNU/Linux, is this normal? are there any ways to show debian version?
21:59<gsimmons>!tell sco50000 -about version
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22:01<ranix>huh I'm running lenny/sid?
22:01<ranix>I think it's just lenny
22:01<ranix>guess it says lenny/sid in either case
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22:04<sco50000>how do i enable 3d acceleration?
22:04<gsimmons>ranix: See /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version").
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22:06<sco50000>how do i enable 3d acceleration on my ati radeon card?
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22:08<vook>sco50000: what kind of card is it?
22:08<sco50000>ati radeon 9550
22:10<vook>sco50000: did you install the drivers from or are you using the ones that came with debian?
22:10<sco50000>i'm using ati's fglrx driver
22:11<vook>sco50000: install mesa-utils
22:11<ranix>thanks gsimmons
22:11<sco50000>i have mesa-utils installed
22:12<vook>sco50000: ok - what does glxinfo say 'glxinfo | less'
22:12<vook>sco50000: after "direct rendering" that is
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22:13<sco50000>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting
22:14<vook>sco50000: make sure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file contains the following lines under 'Section "Module"'
22:14<vook>Load "glx"
22:14<vook>Load "dri"
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22:15<sco50000>they are both there already
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22:16<vook>sco50000: hmm - not sure. have you ever had 3d acceleration with this system and fglrx?
22:18<vook>did the ati proggie compile the module ?
22:18<sco50000>not sure
22:18<vook>ah, did you actually download something from
22:18<sco50000>i got the linux_x86 ati radeon driver
22:18<sco50000>radeon 9550*
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22:19<ranix>!tell sco50000 about fglrx
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22:19<vook>ranix: thankx. I just woke up, I shouldn't be helping people yet ;)
22:19<ranix>lol np
22:19<sco50000>how do i check xorg version?
22:20<ranix>X --version perhaps
22:20<amphi>sco50000: fglrx doesn't support that at all, I don't think - why not use the xiorg radeon driver?
22:21<ranix>radeon driver sucks nuts
22:22<amphi>it works well on old cards
22:22<sco50000>yeah, i heard the open source radeon driver was really slow
22:22<sco50000>is the 9550 considered old?
22:22<amphi>you want a _really_ crap driver, look no further than fglrx
22:22<ranix>it was from a period during which the ATI cards were neither very good nor very supported
22:23<ranix>the 9800 was a fluke and had bad drivers even though it rendered like greased butter
22:23<sco50000>i'm definetly getting nvidia next time i buy a grapics card
22:23<amphi>ugh, more blobbery
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22:37<steven-m>hi all
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22:40<steven-m>is anyone here a sudo expert?
22:41<sco50000>what is there to be a expert about?
22:41<ranix>sudo su
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22:42<sco50000>ranix: ?
22:42<steven-m>ranix: just sudo
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22:47<ranix>in ubuntu, su is in sbin
22:47<ranix>so you have to sudo su
22:47<ranix>it's kind of a joke, and typical of ubuntu
22:48<steven-m>ranix: I'm not a ubuntu user
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22:48<vook>steven-m: do you have a question about sude?
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22:53<steven-m>vook: how do you make the username of the user who is allowed to use sudo not appear as plain text in the sudoers file?
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22:57<steven-m>vook: you there?
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22:59<steven-m> how do you make the username of the user who is allowed to use sudo not appear as plain text in the sudoers file?
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23:00<steven-m>vook: how do you make the username of the user who is allowed to use sudo not appear as plain text in the sudoers file?
23:01<vook>steven-m: sudoers is readable only by root
23:01<vook>(and members of root)
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23:03<vook>steven-m: searching, I see no information on encrypting /etc/sudoers, nor can I think of a good reason to do so.
23:04<steven-m>vook ok then
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23:05*steven-m is acting on bad info from someone
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23:08<steven-m>vook: what can I put in my sudoers file to ensure it can't be run remotely
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23:11<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
23:18<vook>steven-m: I'm not sure what you mean. what are you trying to accomplish? What is the goal? Do you have users and you want them to be able sudo locally but no remotely?
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23:19<steven-m>vook: isn't there a way to add hostnames to sudoers?
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23:20<Killing_Frost>Anyone know the sox command to converto ogg files to mp3, or a good prg to install to rip my CD collection? Note that I'm blind and probably only have access to GUI clients that support gtk via gnome-orca screen reading.
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23:21<vook>steven-m: or man sudoers
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23:22<AndyJ>What makes a theme installable in debian?
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23:23<pabs>Killing_Frost: from #debian-multimedia: you could use cdparanoia to create wav files and then use lame (from to create mp3s
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23:24<amphi>Killing_Frost: grip is a handy front-end to cdparanoia and ogg or mp3 encoders
23:25<AndyJ>I note that the installer prefers themes to be .tar.gz archives, but roughly 10% of the themes I've archived for the installer are "wrong file type"
23:25<amphi>Killing_Frost: gtk, BTW ;)
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23:25<Killing_Frost>Thank you. Will try those.
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23:27<AndyJ>Bah! <dpkg> is asleep!
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23:27<amphi>!lart AndyJ
23:27<amphi>damn :(
23:27<Aleric>Does anyone know how I can run an application on amd64 using the 32bit libs?
23:28<AndyJ>Yep! Use chroot
23:28<Aleric>Without using a chroot
23:28<AndyJ>I was just about to give you the chroot/schroot instructions
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23:29<Aleric>I already have a chroot, but it sucked. These days it's better to just use the 32bit libs.
23:29<AndyJ>Why sucked? I'm using schroot to launch 32bit apps from the desktop
23:29<RIVE>I use AMD64 and works well.
23:29<Aleric>I run firefox in a 32bit chroot because of flash, and as a result if I save a file with it, it ends up in the chroot :/
23:29<Samer>is there a way to run my debian partition from windows, like a virtual thing
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23:30<AndyJ>One sec I'll save a file from 32 bit firefox and see what the limits are..
23:30<RIVE>Aleric, ¿are you using Etch?
23:30<Aleric>Samer: No, windows has secret builtin code (also called closed source) that makes it impossible to do what you want.
23:30<Aleric>RIVE: no, testing
23:31<aredhel>Aleric, bind mount your home dir in the chroot
23:31<Samer>no i mean i'm running windows, and i want to run debian
23:31<Samer>the other way around
23:31<Aleric>aredhel: I already did - but I often want to save files elsewhere
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23:32<Killing_Frost>Samer: I use a vfat partition so both OSes have access to some file swapping space.
23:33<Samer>killing_frost: i'm looking for a way to use both os at tthe same timee
23:33<AndyJ>Aleric: I just saved a file from Firefox 32bit to the desktop, no dramas
23:34<AndyJ>Aleric: As far as I can see, I can save files anywhere...
23:34<gsimmons>Samer: If your filesystem is ext2/3, you can try using "Ext2fsd" or "Ext2IFS".
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23:34<AndyJ>Aleric: are you starting Firefox like this? schroot -c sid32 -p firefox
23:35<Killing_Frost>Run wine from Debian? Trying to recall the linux environment prg for windows...
23:36<AndyJ>Samer: I haven't tried it, but you could probably install vmware on windows and install debian as a virtual machine
23:36<Aleric>I think this is what I need/want:
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23:37<RIVE>Theres a aesy way to install flash in a AMD64 machine, let me search my blog.
23:37<Killing_Frost>That's it. vmware...knew it started with a v/
23:37<amphi>Samer: run your legacy os under qemu on linux, perhaps
23:37<Aleric>RIVE: I also heard of the use of a 32bit plugin wrapper...
23:37<AndyJ>Aleric: I tried all that and Flash 9 doesn't run
23:38<AndyJ>Aleric: It always says .swf file, known to cause problems
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23:38<Aleric>That way you can run a 64bit firefox, but still use 32bit plugins.
23:38<AndyJ>Works perfecting in the chroot
23:38<RIVE>Aleric joust install nspluginwrapper
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23:38<Aleric>RIVE: Just installing that will pickup 32bit plugins without problems?
23:39<RIVE> mpore info there, Aleric I use Lenny in a AMD64 box and it works.
23:39<Samer>!tell me about qmenu
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23:41<AndyJ>Isn't that supposed to be "/me"
23:41<Aleric>ok.. lemme install firefox on my x86_64
23:42<Samer>thankx amphi :) gonna try qemu now
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23:46<Aleric>/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking
23:46<Aleric>wtf is that anyway?
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23:48<Aleric>RIVE: it doesn't work
23:48<Killing_Frost>Thanks again, all...
23:48<Aleric>LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /encrypted/home/carlo/.mozilla/plugins/ [/encrypted/home/carlo/.mozilla/plugins/ wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
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23:48<Aleric>I have nspluginwrapper installed
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23:49<Aleric>But it still fails to load that plugin
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23:50<RIVE>Aleric, for me works, i didn't have any problems with it, so can help you.
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23:50<Aleric>RIVE: Where is your installed?
23:50<Aleric>Is it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ?
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23:54<RIVE>Let me see Aleric.
23:58<RIVE>Aleric, is in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and in /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins
23:59<Aleric>Is either of those a symbolic link?
23:59<Aleric>If not, which packages do each file belong to?
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23:59<RIVE>No those aren't links.
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