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---Logopened Sat Feb 02 00:00:43 2008
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00:02<Aleric>Ok, it works... but I still get a lot of errors.
00:02<Aleric>which: no soundwrapper in ...
00:02<Aleric>Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomebreakpad": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/ wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
00:02<Aleric>(npviewer.bin:18043): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
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00:04<Aleric>soundwrapper is in tucnak2
00:04<Aleric>gnomebreakpad is in bug-buddy
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00:05<Aleric>I already had that one installed though
00:05<Aleric>Oh, of course - it was complaining about the wrong class ...
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00:06<Aleric>I restarted firefox - now flash doesn't work again.
00:10<Aleric>*** NSPlugin Wrapper *** ERROR: failed to initialize plugin-side RPC client connection
00:11<amphi>oh, you're trying that - I haven't; I'm about to wrestle with gnash
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00:22<Aleric>It TOTALLY doesn't work
00:24<Aleric>Weew, I erased/wiped that nspluginwrapper from my harddisk
00:24<Aleric>Feel a lot better already.
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00:26<ranix>Aleric: if your elf class doesn't work, try a dwarf
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00:50<joyfulgirl>I boot to a terminal...lately, though, I've been getting the errors "DMA write timed out," "parport0: FIFO is stuck," and "parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio" fairly frequently imposing themselves in the middle of whatever I'm working on. Any ideas on how to get rid of this behavior?
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00:51<amphi>dmesg -n1 will suppress the messages
00:52<amphi>but not fix the problem ;)
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00:54<valdyn>joyfulgirl: or edit /etc/sysctl.conf to suppress the message
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00:58<joyfulgirl>amphi: Hm, 'k
00:58<joyfulgirl>amphi: Thanks
00:58<joyfulgirl>valdyn: Any idea how I'd change it?
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01:00<joyfulgirl>valdyn: Hm, the entire file is commented.
01:00<joyfulgirl>Oh, I see
01:00<joyfulgirl>`Stop low-level messages on the console.' Thank you!
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01:27<Sofia>alguien por favor me puede ayudar?
01:27<streuner__>talk english please
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01:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:29<xemacs>what channel for american ?
01:29<xemacs>mate ?
01:30<streuner>Is that a serious question?
01:30<streuner>and by the way, american is also south america...
01:30<RIVE>And north, central and souht america.
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01:43<khsing>hello, every one
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01:43<RIVE>Hello khsing.
01:44<khsing>I have a problem of font sort in KDE .
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01:47<khsing>I have define a preface sort of font of Sans,Serif and Monospace, but when I select a font such as Verdana and the Chinese character font appeared not in order.
01:48<khsing>please give me some idea to solve this problem.
01:49<khsing>I work on lenny
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02:12<dpkg>i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
02:12<amphi>khsing: perhaps that will be of use?
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02:41<RIVE>Why many plugins for xmms are not in Lenny?
02:43<marsbiker>xmms is kind of obsolete? ;)
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02:45<RIVE>marsbiker, yes, ibsolote but my what I use.
02:46<RIVE>*obsolete, but is what i Like.
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02:46<Nemoder>RIVE: try audacious
02:47<RIVE>Right now i'm using Banshee, but i miss old good xmms plugins.
02:47<Nemoder>audacious is a fork of xmms, most of the plugins have been updated for it
02:48<RIVE>Nemoder, ok, will give it a try.
02:49<marsbiker>jepp, liked that too. apart from instability due to plugins...
02:50<RIVE>INstalling audacious..
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04:01<steven-m>does anyone here use wengophone?
04:02<Gekz>Don't bother.
04:02<Gekz>it sucks.
04:02<Gekz>steven-m: why are you using wengo
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04:03<steven-m>Gekz: trying it for the first time
04:03<Gekz>steven-m: but what made you want to try it?
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04:04<steven-m>Gekz: It an open source voip program
04:05<Gekz>well, that's questionable.
04:05<Gekz>but sure.
04:05<Gekz>I know openwengo is or may be opensource
04:05<Gekz>but wengophone isnt
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04:06<steven-m>Gekz: so you recomend skype?
04:07<Gekz>steven-m: nope.
04:07<Gekz>steven-m: I use Gizmo Project.
04:08<steven-m>does it let you call land lines?
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04:10<steven-m>Gekz: does it let you call land lines?
04:11<miksuh>I mostly use Skype on desktop and fring on my Nokia N95
04:11<don>must be my gusty KDE 4 is mosty Debian I thought I would get on kubuntu. lol
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04:11<miksuh>the nice thing is that fring is skype compatible
04:12<miksuh>don: ?? sorry I didn't quite understand
04:14<don>I installe dthe Kubuntu Guutsy 7.10 and wanted to get on konversation
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04:15<don>so I am on debian
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04:15<don>most of it is debian I guess
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04:15<miksuh>kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu is not debian
04:15<miksuh>it's based on debian, that's not the same as IS debian
04:16<don>well I got this konversation out of my KPackage
04:16<Gekz>steven-m: yes
04:16<Gekz>steven-m: and it's quite cheap
04:16<don>and it is all for kde 4 gutsy
04:16<don>I know it is not
04:17<don>but is has a lot of packages from it
04:17<don>not that I mind
04:17<don>I like most all of them
04:17<don>I just need to ask questions about Kubuntu lol
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04:18<steven-m>Gekz: is it open source?
04:18<miksuh>Gekz: but yeah, Gizmo is nice too.
04:18<Gekz>steven-m: it's freeware :/
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04:18<Gekz>steven-m: it's supported by Linspire
04:18<miksuh>I have installed it tooboth on desktop and on my N95
04:19<miksuh>but none of my friends use gizmo...
04:19<miksuh>all use skype..
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04:19<Gekz>thats why you have a skype and gizmo
04:19<Gekz>skype for losers that you have no other way and gizmo
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04:20<steven-m>Gekz: so it open source?
04:21<Gekz>steven-m: no.
04:21<Gekz>steven-m: well, version 3 wasn't
04:21<Gekz>4 may be.
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04:22<steven-m>Gekz: what makes it better than skype?
04:22<Gekz>steven-m: it uses SIP so it can communicate with other SIP clients other than Gizmo
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04:22<Gekz>steven-m: plus it has cheaper calls to landlines and mobiles than Skype
04:22<Gekz>steven-m: and in my opinion, better quality
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04:26<miksuh>and ofcourse you can always use Ekiga too :)
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04:26<miksuh>Ekiga is in the debian repository
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04:27<miksuh>Ekiga was GnomeMeeting before they changed name
04:27<steven-m>miksuh: is Ekiga open source
04:28<steven-m>miksuh: does it use SIP?
04:29<miksuh>it does
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04:30<steven-m>Gekz: would that be as gismo?
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04:32<steven-m>night all
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04:33<don>anyone familiar with aticonfig
04:33<don>fglrx drivers
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04:35<GhostlyDeath>Woo, I've been using Debian since 2005! (3.1 Sarge)
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04:38<hever>Hej, how can I find out where the directory xxx is on my system ?
04:38<GhostlyDeath>hever: locate
04:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 305] by debhelper
04:39<Gekz>hever: lol
04:39<Gekz>"Guys, I've lost my porn collection. Do you know where I left it?"
04:40<GhostlyDeath>Gekz: type "rm -f /" to restore it
04:40<GhostlyDeath>as root
04:40<alaya>GhostlyDeath: that's not funny actually
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04:40<alaya>go troll somewhere else for fun
04:41<Gekz>GhostlyDeath: but that didnt delete anything
04:41<Gekz>GhostlyDeath: you forgot to recurse.
04:41<GhostlyDeath>I'm not trolling, shouldn't have porn anyway!
04:41<GhostlyDeath>Gekz: oh yeah
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04:41<alaya>if an op was around they'd probably boot you for that
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04:44<Gekz>alaya: kline! :)
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04:44<alaya>hever: find / -type d -name xxx
04:45<GhostlyDeath>locate is better
04:45<GhostlyDeath>locate xxx
04:45<alaya>no its not dumbass because it would have to recurse through files and directories
04:45<hever>thanks, both tell me the dir isn't on my system
04:46<Christmas>is down?
04:46<GhostlyDeath>not loading for me
04:46<alaya>hever: you can also use wildcards in the search string
04:46<Christmas>they are all down apps, kde-look, gtk-apps...
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04:46<alaya>e.g. *xxx\* for any directory name with xxx somewhere in it
04:48<GhostlyDeath>find and locate are practically the same thing
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04:49<hever>yes ok thanks
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04:49<alaya>only to #ubuntu dumbasses
04:49<GhostlyDeath>You claiming I use ubuntu?
04:49<hever>whats a good dia show tool ;) ? (dont' answer)
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04:54<GhostlyDeath>Gekz: oh, adding -v would add to the fun as you watch everything get deleted
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04:59<GhostlyDeath>Christmas: is down, it timed out
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05:02<hever>How can i grep the content of all files recursive? Something like "more * -r | grep zu"
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05:03<hever>(All files in a given dir and its subdirs)
05:03<GhostlyDeath>more /some/directory/* -r | grep some text
05:04<GhostlyDeath>actually that wont recurse
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05:04<hever>Thats similar to my sugestion and I get "-r: No such file or directory"
05:07<GhostlyDeath>and it wont tell you what file it is
05:07<GhostlyDeath>and doing the | grep only does it for a single file
05:08<gsimmons>hever: grep -r foo /foo
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05:13<GhostlyDeath>damn Debian is slow to install in an emulator
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05:16<GhostlyDeath>ali: you said hello and I said hey
05:16<ali>where are you from
05:16<GhostlyDeath>Where are you from?
05:17<ali>how old ?
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05:17<GhostlyDeath>how old are you?
05:18<ali>are you a girl?
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05:18<GhostlyDeath>ali: I expected this to happen
05:18<GhostlyDeath>ali: No, I'm a guy
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05:19<GhostlyDeath>ali: are you a girl?
05:19<[Dark-Star]>im still alittle new to debian and waz wondering if someone could tell me how to install snakebite-rc3.deb,, i have loged in as the admin and run apt-get install "path" but nothing happens
05:19<GhostlyDeath>[Dark-Star]: Did you download the package?
05:19<miksuh># dpkg -i snakebite-rc3.deb
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05:19<GhostlyDeath>[Dark-Star]: dpkg -i package
05:20<miksuh>or if you have installed gdebi
05:20<ali>miksuh where are you from
05:20<miksuh>then you could eg. just click package icon eg. on desktop
05:20<miksuh>ali: from finland
05:21<[Dark-Star]>tried that it just open the package up and show contents
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05:21<GhostlyDeath>[Dark-Star]: right click Open With
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05:21<miksuh>[Dark-Star]: yeah by defaulöt it will open .deb pakavkage on fileroller
05:21<miksuh>do like this
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05:22<miksuh>click that .deb file using right mouse button
05:22<[Dark-Star]>ahh ok
05:22<GhostlyDeath>miksuh: I think it's gdebi-gtk
05:22<miksuh>select properties
05:22<[Dark-Star]>sry im a win32 user
05:22<miksuh>and then go to "open with tab"
05:22<[Dark-Star]>havent broke old habbits
05:22<miksuh>select there gdebi
05:23<miksuh>and click close button
05:23<miksuh>if you now double click that .deb icon on desktop it should be opened in gdebi
05:23<[Dark-Star]>ok i open it with gdebi and i got an error:dependency is not satisfiable: python2.3
05:23<GhostlyDeath>[Dark-Star]: Go to synaptic and install python
05:24<abiectum>what was the sollution to install wirelless pci card?
05:24<GhostlyDeath>surprisingly python with GTK is broke in testing
05:24<GhostlyDeath>abiectum: what card?
05:25<abiectum>WiFi card
05:25<[Dark-Star]>well that the problem i have python installed
05:25<GhostlyDeath>abiectum: who made it?
05:25<abiectum>GhostlyDeath: here on channel was some command to show manual how to instal... u know !some command
05:25<GhostlyDeath>!tell abiectum about WiFi
05:26<abiectum>GhostlyDeath: something with install
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05:26<abiectum>GhostlyDeath: like this
05:26<abiectum>but to install
05:26<abiectum>WiFi card
05:26<abiectum>and it was working elalier
05:26<GhostlyDeath>abiectum: what card is it?
05:27<abiectum>broadcomm 5005G
05:27<GhostlyDeath>did you try bcm43xx?
05:27<GhostlyDeath>bcm43xx-fwcutter or b43-fwcutter
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05:28<abiectum>first time yes
05:28<[Dark-Star]>well i dont know whats up with the python error but python 2.4 is installed
05:28<abiectum>and then didn't work
05:28<GhostlyDeath>abiectum: # modprobe bcm43xx
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05:29<gsimmons>abiectum: I think you have the chipset confused. There is an Atheros 5005G, which is supported by the madwifi driver.
05:29<[Dark-Star]>ne ways ill brb later i got to go to work
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05:30<miksuh>[Dark-Star]: for some reason it wants python 2.3.. maybe package dependencies require 2.3 and not >=2.3
05:30<abiectum>u right
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05:30<dpkg>from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
05:30<abiectum>o that what I want
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05:57<ali>i'm alone :(
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05:58<GhostlyDeath>alone on IRC?
05:58<streuner>does somebody have openssh-server 4.7p1-3 (i386) package locally?
05:58<ali>i dont speak english
05:58<EmleyMoor>How do I determine the kernel version string (as in KVERS) for a new kernel? I need to give it to m-a to compile the zaptel modules
05:58<codehexa>You are not alone.
05:58<GhostlyDeath>THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!
05:59<ali>where are you from
05:59<GhostlyDeath>now I wanna watch X-Files =P
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05:59<codehexa>I'm from Korea! and u?
06:00<codehexa>I know your contry.
06:00<TBBle>EmleyMoor: If you've already got some modules for that kernel, it's the name of the directory in /lib/modules
06:00<ali>old u?
06:00<codehexa>wouldcup 2002 3rd. our country 4th.
06:00<codehexa>33 years old. ^^
06:00<EmleyMoor>TBBle: That will save me a 2nd reboot. Thanks
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06:01<ali>im 17
06:01<codehexa>wow good age.
06:02<codehexa>Are u student?
06:02<codehexa>Maybe hischool?
06:02<ali>college 3
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06:02<ali>what is your name
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06:05<hever>ls * -r gives me a output grouped by directory. How can I merge the output?
06:05<EmleyMoor>It's a sign it's the first Saturday morning of the month - my main box is backing up all fixed systems here
06:05<EmleyMoor>It probably won't finish until early tomorrow
06:06<ali>whre are u from
06:06<EmleyMoor>I am from the UK - close to London, England
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06:07<marcelo> =) view this site
06:07*EmleyMoor waits for his phones to come back up
06:07-!-marcelo is now known as Guest189
06:08<codehexa>I like british bulldog.
06:08<hever>I'm going to list all N last changes files in my system...
06:08<hever>No I mean al last accessed files ...
06:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... no route to host yet
06:09<Guest189>view this site, is very good =)
06:09<EmleyMoor>hever: ls -rt?
06:09<SpeedyG>!ops Guest189 spammer
06:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: speedyg complains about: Guest189 spammer
06:09<TBBle>hever: You'll prolly want to apply find.
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06:09<Guest189>is of turistic service
06:09-!-mode/#debian [+o zobel] by ChanServ
06:09<hever>EmleyMoor: ls groups output by directories.
06:09-!-Guest189 was kicked from #debian by zobel [spammer]
06:09-!-mode/#debian [-o zobel] by zobel
06:09<SpeedyG>thanks zobel :)
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06:10<ali>aranýzda türkçe bilen varmý loowwwwwwwwwww
06:10<dpkg>well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
06:10-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
06:10*EmleyMoor goes to see what's happened to his PBX
06:10<Guest189>wtf! for what ban? this site is chilea, of turistic service in sourth of chile
06:10<hever>oh yes find will help
06:10<ali>thanks dpkg
06:10<dpkg>my pleasure, ali
06:11<SpeedyG>Guest189: its spam! off-topic, unwanted, etc .
06:11<@weasel>Guest189: do not spam anywhere on this network.
06:11<Guest189>i am sry
06:11<zobel>Guest189: that is a debian related channel. spam unwanted
06:11<Gekz_> lol.
06:11<Gekz_>it's obvious he thought this through
06:12<Guest189>zobel, view this site, is very good =)
06:12<Guest189>zobel, I am visiting chile and the service is very good Tourist if anyone wants to travel, is excellent, which is why it only mentioned
06:13<Gekz_>he continues to spam.
06:13<Guest189>Gekz, is only comentari
06:13<mosno>Guest189: stop pretending
06:14<Gekz_>why would a business use a free domain cloak
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06:14<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it was sitting at the POST screen - it worked when I prodded it
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06:15<GhostlyDeath>That page is not understandable
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06:15<GhostlyDeath>hey weasel, how's it going?
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06:16<Guest189>mosno, u r stupid? i am pretending nothing! Is a recommendation only if someone thinks of traveling, because the service I liked a lot, for one of the trips you have to cross the Straits of Magellan and is beautiful
06:16<Guest189>bye, fuking all! :p in this chanel exist only stupids!
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06:17<streuner>what a moron
06:17<evilbelgian>i just realized something, now that i have fixed all the problems with my debian install i have no idea what to do with it
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06:18<streuner> VTR Banda Ancha S.A. - Santiago, Santiago, CL
06:18<EmleyMoor>evilbelgian: Well, what sort of things would you do with that computer if it was running some other OS?
06:19<streuner>Guest189 (
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06:19<streuner>wonderful? :-)
06:19<Gekz_>evilbelgian: use it for productive purposes :)
06:20<evilbelgian>play games
06:20<EmleyMoor>evilbelgian: Do you want to do office-type stuff, or have fun with it?
06:20<evilbelgian>thats what use pc's for
06:20<EmleyMoor>There's lots of games in the repository
06:20<evilbelgian>and using stumble upon
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06:22<mosno>oh wow, i can't believe i had a shower and missed my chance to flame that asscake Guest189
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06:23<EmleyMoor>I find my main Debian box makes a good office machine, games machine and web browsing machine...
06:24<EmleyMoor>My other two make a good PBX and a good Jabber server respectively
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06:24<evilbelgian>emley moor are you trying to play oblivion on it
06:24<ali> pow pow
06:24<EmleyMoor>Don't even know what Oblivion is
06:25<betel>evilbelgian: I've tried and it wasn't imposible. Now when I have made the ATI -> NVidia switch.
06:26<EmleyMoor>I want to go through the rest of the games on mine to find out which ones don't work - and remove them
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06:27<ali>alllisterb whre are u from
06:27<evilbelgian>bleh i am currently an nvidia person because of my amd fanboyism
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06:28<evilbelgian>oops wrong bran typo
06:30<ali>alli sterbbbbb
06:30<evilbelgian>well it will serve a purpose that i greatly need
06:31<evilbelgian>people can you get skype for debian
06:31<dpkg>skype is, like, a proprietary cross-platform VoIP application. See It uses a proprietary protocol. Unofficial debs (they are built by Skype Limited) are available from, or an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties, or apt sources.list line "deb stable non-free"
06:32<dpkg>somebody said gizmo was .. A VoIP project
06:35<evilbelgian>thanks geks but i am looking specifically for a skype clinet
06:35<evilbelgian>although from dpkg's description of the skype client i am rather wary
06:37<Gekz_>we might be getting randoms asking questions about it in the future
06:37<Gekz_>Nexenta Operating System is a community project run by individuals who are interested in the internals of OpenSolaris, Debian/GNU Linux, and Ubuntu Linux and who are investing their free time to the development of operating system that provides unique combination of features to their users saving them time and money. You can read more AboutNexenta, about the structure of our Community and on GettingInvolved with the project.
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06:52<dpkg>[geek] a circus performer who bites heads off of nevyns, or a chicken who performs the circus off of byte headers, or what GenericBoy is, and most other people in this channel, if they wish to be so called, or substract the sum of all boyfriends/girlfriends you have had from the number of computers you've ever owned. if the number is positive you're a geek.
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07:07<hever>Hej I'm in trouble with some special apache problems and mod_fcgid in a chroot. On a mailinglist I read something like "security.jail.sysvipc_allowed 0 -> 1" can help under BSDs jail command. Now my question is: Is there something to do to enabled shared memory in a chroot ?
07:09<hever>Or do you know a good way tracing what files a process tries to open? (The problem is it tries to open a file inside the chroot and I cant find out which file it is) ?
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07:11<petemc>grep ^open
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07:19<hever>petemc: puuuh, I tried " strace apache2 -trace=filev -f" but it runs a bit and then stops with "Process 6160 detached". I want that it keeps tracing...
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07:31<hellues>i have a problem
07:31<hellues>i want kernel-source packagfe
07:32<hellues>but there is no such package in
07:32<hellues>what can i do
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07:32<kmap>hellues: Do you want the kernel source?
07:32<gsimmons>hellues: Again, it's "linux-source-2.6-*", not "kernel-source-*".
07:32<kmap>hellues: It is in linux-source now
07:32<pdy>hellues: use apt-get or aptitude to install it
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07:33<hellues>install what
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07:33<hellues>i use make install command
07:33<hellues>it says
07:33<hellues>no kernel-source
07:33<pdy>hellues: please read the debian administration guide about how to install software the debian way
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07:37<hever>Ok strace works fine for me, but I don't get any file wich can't be found. But there must be a file wich can't be opened at apache reload... did I miss any option?
07:37<sheldonh>thank dog for local mirrors
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07:38<hever> strace -etrace=open -otraceoutput -f -F apache2ctl graceful
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07:40<hellues>afgain hey
07:41<hellues>make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
07:41<hellues>how can i solve it
07:41<gsimmons>!wayttd hellues
07:41<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, hellues?
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07:42<hellues>hmm l1-linux-v1.2.40.2
07:42<hellues>i download that
07:42<hellues>ande i try to install that to my system wişth make iinstall
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07:44<gsimmons>hellues: You're using lenny/testing?
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07:44<dpkg>methinks atl1 is a driver for the Attansic L1 gigabit ethernet chipset, found in several Asus motherboards. Driver present in mainline kernels 2.6.21 and later ("modprobe atl1"). For kernels older than 2.6.21, use of the vendor driver is recommended. See for known bugs/problems and the vendor driver.
07:45<gsimmons>hellues: There's no requirement to compile that driver, as it's already present within your kernel.
07:45<hellues>my kernel
07:45<hellues>sorry 22
07:45<hellues>no upgrade to kernel
07:45<hellues>i am using aptitude dist-upgrade
07:46<hellues>system made lots upgrade but didnt upgrade the kernel
07:46<hellues>and i have some repo doesnt have anything about kernel
07:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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07:50<hellues>pls look at it
07:51<sheldonh>this should be fun -- creating a sid virtrualbox by restoring from an fsvs backup
07:51<pdy>sheldonh: good luck
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07:52<hellues>pls someone look at that
07:52<gsimmons>hellues: So you have a 2.6.22 kernel in operation. Again, the atl1 driver is already include, "modprobe atl1" as previously described by dpkg.
07:52<sheldonh>pdy: probably required. didn't work out so hot when i did it straight from etch -- tryng with an intermediate disst-upgrade after minimal install
07:52<hellues>what can i do
07:53<hellues>to recognize my wireless card by system
07:53<hellues> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)
07:53<hellues> my wirelss card
07:53<gsimmons>!tell hellues -about iwlwifi
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07:54<sheldonh>gsimmons: i think iwlwifi is sid only (definitely not etch)
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07:55<gsimmons>sheldonh: Ah, the factoid contains a HOWTO for driver use with the 2.6.22 kernel, which would be appropriate for lenny.
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07:56<sheldonh>gsimmons: must have been something else that steered my off lenny then :)
07:57<hellues>ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/Makefile i did it
07:57<hellues>i took message ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/build/Makefile: No such file or directory
07:57<hellues>and i dont know how congiure kernel
07:57<hellues>is there a documentation
07:58<hellues>it said install kernel-source package but there is no source packe in my repo
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08:00<Gekz>does debian kernels have tickless clock enabled?
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08:00<gsimmons>hellues: I've no idea what you are attempting to do. Which instructions are you following?
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08:01<Torsten_W>Gekz: find it out
08:01<Torsten_W>Gekz: grep -i no_hz /boot/config-$(uname -r)
08:02<Gekz>but muuuum
08:02<Gekz>i'm on a pda.
08:02<Gekz>otherwise i would.
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08:03<hellues> pls look at it
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08:03<hellues>my system dişdnt find make files
08:04<hellues>and to execute ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/Makefile
08:04<hellues>it wants latest kernel-source package
08:05<Gekz>maybe it wants linux-headers...
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08:07<hellues>check it out
08:07<Aleric>I got a 32bit firefox working under amd64, but it doesn't seem to do css... :/
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08:10<hellues>what is the difference linux-image 2.6.24-1 and linux-image-bigrr 2-6-24-1
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08:10<Aleric>The latter has the "bigrr" patch?
08:11<gsimmons>hellues: mac80211.ko is already included in the 2.6.22 kernel. Move on to compilation and installation of the iwliwifi driver.
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08:12<hellues>i installed linux-image 2-6-24
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08:16<gsimmons>hellues: The iwlwifi driver is included in the 2.6.24 kernel. Once you've restarted your system to make this kernel active, you can modprobe the iwl4965 driver. Be sure to also install the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package.
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08:18<Aleric>My browser doesn't seem to do anti-aliasing... any idea in which direction I should look for the cause?
08:18<Aleric>css works, I was wrong about that.
08:19<hellues>how can i
08:19<hellues>iwl4965 driver
08:19<hellues>i dont know this
08:19<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
08:19<hellues>any documentation
08:19<Aleric>stop flooding
08:20<hellues>how modprobe kernel
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08:34<hellues>debian:/home/hellues# make patch_kernel
08:34<hellues>make: *** No rule to make target `patch_kernel'. Stop.
08:34<hellues>how can i solve that ?
08:34<hellues>what is this error i am borwws error error error always error
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08:35<Gekz>give up.
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08:36<knoppix_>n fgnd
08:36<hellues>i dont wonna give up debian i dont wonna use ubuntu
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08:37<gsimmons>hellues: Wait, are you attempting to compile the mac80211 subsystem? You don't need to do this.
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08:39<hellues>ok thats good
08:39<hellues>i installed firmware package
08:39<hellues>it is enough modprobe mac80211
08:40<gsimmons>hellues: Please refrain from writing only my nick on a single line. It's wasteful. You'd want to "modprobe iwl4965" at this point.
08:40*pdy offers gsimmons chocolate cookies
08:41<hellues>hehehe oki
08:41<hellues>gsimmons, i am sorry i wrote this command i restarted the system
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08:42<pdy>time to recover
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08:45<krebs>hey I just installed yakuake, how do I put to initiate with debian?
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08:47<pdy>krebs: have you checked /usr/share/doc for a directory about yakuake documentation aswell as the man page for it?
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08:50<domino88>zdravim nainstaloval som si debian vo virtual PC ako zistim ci mi tam ide siet?
08:50<krebs>hmm no Im going to do that
08:50<@weasel>domino88: english?
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08:53<krebs>pdy, nothing in the docs or man
08:53<krebs>pdy, and actually what I want to know is how to put any program to run when I login not only yakuake
08:53<pdy>krebs: i checked their website and the project seems to be in a very early stage
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08:54<pdy>krebs: when you start KDE you want certain programs to start automatically?
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08:55<krebs>I read some stuff about /etc/rcX.d and I tried to put a symlink there, but it didnt work
08:55<martinj`>I have strange problem with iwl4965 wifi driver on a new Thinkpad X61s. The wlan0 interface would not associate with an AP but if I try (unsucessfully) to get an address via dhcp on wmaster0 interface and then change my /etc/network/intercaces back again do a /etc/init.d/networking restart, the wlan 0 interface works perfectly? what can be wrong, what should I look at?
08:55<styx>krebs there is a autostart folder
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08:55<krebs>I would prefere to learn how to do that in the command line
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08:56<styx>krebs: ~/.kde/Autostart$
08:56<styx>krebs: just link there for kde autostart
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08:56<krebs>styx hmmm ok Ill take a look
08:56<martinj>wehat is the wlaster0 iface for anyway?
08:56<styx>krebs: the init.d system is for system startup, not user login
08:57<krebs>styx, ahm I see
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08:57<krebs>styx, I dont have Autostart$ or anything like that under ~/.kde/
08:58<styx>krebs: ah sorry, no $ in the end
08:58<styx>there should be an Autostart in ~/.kde
08:58<krebs>styx, not even without $
08:58<pdy>the KDE online documentation does not like me as it seems
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08:58<styx>krebs: which kde version?
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08:59<krebs>styx sorry ppl I use gnome
08:59<krebs>sorry Im newbie
08:59<krebs>kde is the other GUI like gnome no?
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09:00<styx>krebs: *G* yes
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09:00<styx>krebs: just not knowing how to autostart in gnome.. never used it
09:00<krebs>styx oh ok dont worry
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09:00<styx>came from fvwm to kde
09:02<pdy>here we have a link for both cases:
09:04<vook>I think you people are thinking of .config/autostart
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09:09<hellues>my system recognize my wirless card but it doesnt recieve any coonection how can i do that
09:10<hellues>anything ?
09:10<gsimmons>hellues: You'll need to configure your wireless interface as appropriate. "man iwconfig" and read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information.
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09:11<vook>hellues: check out wifi-radar too
09:11<vook>works ok
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09:13<pdy>hellues: how did you find out about the possibility of IRC support?
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09:14<hellues>i dont derstand your quenstion
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09:14<hellues>my english is not good .p
09:15<pdy>hellues: no problem. i will try to ask in a different way. i am curious how you found out about #debian on OFTC
09:16<vook>some kind of survey?
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09:18<pdy>hellues: its no trick question. i am just curious
09:18<hellues>i installed xchat
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09:19<hellues>and i saw debian server then connect finally i am here
09:19<pdy>ah yes, its in the server list
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09:20<hellues>damn it
09:20<vook>foiled again by the dern X-chat server list
09:20<pdy>hellues: do you know if Debian is popular and much used in Türkçe?
09:21<hellues>english is better for me
09:21<hellues>i cannot use wirless off
09:22<pdy>i am wondering cause there seem to be only 2-3 Debian Developers from Türkçe so far
09:22<pdy>but its a huge country
09:24<hellues>i guess lots of developers in here
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09:24<pdy>i think most people here do Linux for a hobby
09:24<pdy>for fun so to say
09:25<hellues>i have a hobby
09:25<hellues>but i am bored right now
09:25<hellues>my system reconinize my wirless card
09:25<hellues>but i cannot connect with wireless
09:25<hellues>i dont understand possinble reason
09:25<vook>hellues: does iwconfig give anything?
09:26<pdy>hellues: is a wireless howto or guide in english language ok for you?
09:26<hellues>i am using wifi-radar
09:26<hellues>english how to ok
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09:26<hellues>vook, : i am using wifi-radar
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09:26<vook>hellues: oh - yeah it works okay most of the time, kinda - in a pinch. But you need to learn the wireless tools too, as gsimmons said.
09:27<vook>hellues: try iwconfig
09:27<pdy>hellues: maybe this wiki article helps you:
09:29<vook>hellues: just a few commands will be used typically. iwlist scanning | less (shows networks in range), then iwconfig IFACE ESSID (iwconfig wlan0 somenet). then just dhclient IFACE
09:29<vook>that's pretty much it for open networks.
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09:31<vook>oops 'iwconfig wlan0 essid somenet'
09:31<hellues> (iwconfig wlan0 somenet).
09:31<hellues>i dont understand
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09:31<hellues>must i wrrite my metwork name here
09:32<vook>hellues: no , in the terminal
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09:33<celoserpa>Could someone recommend me a good N64 emulator for *nix ?
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09:33<celoserpa>a deb package would be good :)
09:33<vook>hellues: if you are a true newbie, you are probably really confused right now. That's understandable :) keep on keepin' on
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09:35<valdyn>hellues: wireless networks have a "name", called essid that you use to identify it and to associate with it
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09:42<njende>Hi there! I need to remount a ntfs partition, so that all directories are read/writable. I tried mount remount /dev/hda1 /mnt/ -o,rw umask=0 but its not working. What am I doing wrong?
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09:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
09:44<atrus>njende: you'll want to look into ntfs-3g. the kernel's built-in ntfs doesn't really support writing to ntfs
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09:45<atrus>dpkg: tell njende about ntfs-3g
09:46<njende>atrus: well I used ntfs-3g cause I thought that ntfs-3g supports writing to ntfs
09:46<hellues>pls lokk at it someone
09:46<atrus>njende: right, but you're calling mount normally, which unless im mistaken will use the kernel's built-in stuff instead of ntfs-3g
09:47<atrus>njende: ntfs-3g does support writing. sorry, i may be misunderstanding your problem.
09:47<atrus>i have to run now.
09:48<njende>atrus: so it shoult work if I would say: mount -t ntfs-3g remount /dev/hda1/ /mnt/ -o,rw umask=0 ?
09:48<styx>njende: i would go for permissions, normally only root has R/W
09:48<styx>on mounted NTFS IIRC
09:49<njende>styx: I am root
09:49<styx>paste " mount | erep hda1 "
09:49<styx>egrep naturally
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09:50<njende>styx: can't do that right now as I'm not in front of the box
09:51<styx>this could make this a bit difficult ;) - no ssh access
09:52<njende>nope :-(
09:52<njende>styx: the box is not connected to the net at all :-(
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09:57<enouf>dpkg where were you?
09:57<dpkg>I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE!
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10:00<gsimmons>hellues: I've made an amendment to your post: <>.
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10:03<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: What happened to lspci? has it been replaced by a new command?
10:04<gsimmons>chaoticmass: Do you have it installed? It's provided by the 'pciutils' package.
10:04<chaoticmass>gsimmons : aha, that must be it. New Etch very basic net-install here
10:04<chaoticmass>gsimmons : thanks
10:05<hellues>etch and sid is same ?
10:05<hellues>because ther are some setting for etch
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10:06<gsimmons>hellues: No. Etch is the current stable version of Debian, whereas Sid is the perpetually unstable version.
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10:07<hellues>i know i know
10:07<hellues>i am bored pff
10:08<Cripps>I'm doing a google search to find a re4po for testing that contains the ardour package, but have (as yet) not been able to find one. Does anybody know of a good repo for testing that contains audio processing software?
10:08<hellues>why why
10:09<hellues>why whhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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10:09<hellues>i have wpasupplicant package
10:10<chaoticmass>Another Question :), On Etch: is there a way to see which eth interface belongs to an actual hardware device/card? Working with a server that is showing 4 ethernet interfaces. Short of trial and error I'm wondering how to figure out which ethX corresponds to each actual ethernet port.
10:11<hellues>why why
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10:11<hellues>wi fi said you are connected wireless networkk
10:11<hellues>but i can not sonnect any web page
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10:12<hellues> pff
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10:16<dpkg>rumour has it, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
10:16<gsimmons>hellues: In the event you've read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz, please read it again and adapt an example for your specific network. In the event you haven't, please read this document.
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10:36<hellues>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
10:36<hellues>doesnt work
10:36<hellues>why ????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:37<Aleric>The colors of my video's suddenly look all bad :(((
10:37<Aleric>like red and blue is swapped
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10:44<hellues>i dont know the mistake
10:44<hellues>i dont know my wireless car doesnt work
10:44<hellues>actually semms this works
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10:45<hellues>when i open wifi-radar it recieves connection
10:45<hellues>but that doesnt connect
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10:51<chaoticmass>Grub / Debian Etch Question: My computer has CD-ROM as Primary Master, and a hard drive as Primary Slave. I installed to the hard drive on Primary Slave and everything works. Now when I remove the CD-ROM from Primary Master GRUB will not work any more, saying "Grub Loading... Error 18" or something similar
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10:52<chaoticmass>I put the CD-ROM back in so I could boot. Now I need to figure out how to reconfigure GRUB so it will still work when I remove the CD-ROM
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11:01<hellues>pls look at it
11:01<hellues>recieve my connection wireless connection
11:01<hellues>but i couldnt connect
11:02<hellues>and i cant work nm-applet
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11:03<hellues>network-manager-gnome doesnt work
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11:14<panagos>my motherboard has 6 audio jacks (input and output) to be used with surround sound. since i'm not using all of them for surround sound, is there a way to use one of them as normal audio output? so that e.g. i can have both a headset and a pair of speakers working
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11:21<dpkg>hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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11:27<Aleric>How can I make my keyboard repeat characters?
11:27<Aleric>I keep forgetting this :/
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11:27<amphi>Aleric: xset in X
11:28<Aleric>Something with setsomething something on
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11:29<Aleric>Ah, ok - xset r on
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11:34<evilbelgian>hi guys
11:34<amphi>oh, no, it's evilbelgian
11:34<evilbelgian>do you know where iceweasels default install location is
11:34<evilbelgian>i can't find it
11:35<amphi>evilbelgian: dpkg -L package_name will show you what files a package installed
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11:43<Aleric>I still need to get java to work again in my browser now :/
11:44<evilbelgian>same here
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11:44<evilbelgian>which is why i want to know where mozilla is installed by defualt
11:46<Aleric>I'm trying to get firefox to run as 32 bit application on an amd64
11:46<Aleric>What are you trying to do? If you just have a 32bit machine, you can simply install existing .deb's to get everything working.
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11:48<evilbelgian>whats the name of the java package
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11:51<Aleric>In total I have installed (in my 32bit chroot, which worked): java-common libswt-gtk-3.3-java sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
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11:52<hathe>there is no 64bit version of java..
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11:53<zachary>does anyone happen to know how to completely remove KDE, I've tried apt-get remove kde and it doesn't remove all of KDE
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11:54<Aleric>I don't think you can remove it completely.
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11:54<Aleric>It's needed by things, even if you run gnome.
11:54<zachary>I installed GNOME without installing KDE
11:55<zachary>at least I think it was, because I had to specifically install KDE because it wasn't installed previously
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11:56<Aleric>I run gnome and never installed kde at all on this box, yet I have: hikaru:~>for w in $(dpkg -l | grep -i kde | grep '^ii' | cut -d \ -f 3); do echo -n "$w "; done; echo
11:56<Aleric>k3b kdebase-bin kdebase-bin-kde3 kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kmenc15 ksubtitleripper libk3b3 liblockdev1 liblockdev1-dev
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11:57<Aleric>Dunno what is needed by what... I installed k3b of course... which is a KDE application...
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11:59<Plokko>i have a problem with my laptop @debian
12:00<Plokko>i have a broadcom 43xx wifi card and i can't let it work
12:00<Plokko>ndiswrapper freeze mouse and audio X_x
12:01<evilbelgian>do you know the chipset model
12:02<Plokko>broadcom 43xx,wait and i'll check more
12:03<Plokko>ops paste
12:03<Plokko>it's the windows id
12:03<evilbelgian>soz no help from my side then
12:03<Plokko>i think it's broadcom 4312
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12:05<Plokko>any solutions?
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12:05<Plokko>i found that
12:05<Plokko>but i want debina x86_64
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12:10<Plokko>any help??!?
12:11<Plokko>also debian need driver for network install but it's a realtech lan card!
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12:19<Schreck>Hi guys...
12:20<Schreck>Is there any way to know the permissions of a file/folder without making a "ls -al | grep ..." ?
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12:24<avtobiff>Schreck, why would you want that?
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12:25<avtobiff>Schreck, it already is quite simple...
12:25<Schreck>why... Well... To avoid modifying a copy/paste for a file
12:26<Schreck>For example... :) /etc/
12:26<Schreck>"permissions /etc/" that would be quicker ! :)
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12:31<abrotman>Schreck: stat shows it also ... but i'm not sure how it's quicker
12:32<Schreck>Yeah... I'm a... Noob, sorry ! lol
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12:46<zepard>hi peaople
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12:47<zepard>i have problems with xfce4 when upgraded to 2.6.24 and my laptop battery is no more supported with acpi!
12:48<zepard>xfce is maybe a separated problem so I doesn't realy care but acpi is bizarr
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12:50<zepard>if iam the only one facing this probleme it's maybe a mistake I did somewhere Ill be happy though
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12:52<craigevil>2.6.24 isnt quite ready for daily use, I know a few modules wont build against it
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12:54<zepard>ok then waiting for next release :)
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12:54<zepard>or only some weeks till builds are done
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12:56<hellues>i have to install xserver-xgl to execute compiz on debian sid
12:56<hellues>how can i install it
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12:56<hellues>debian:/home/hellues# compiz
12:56<hellues>Checking for Xgl: not present.
12:56<hellues>No whitelisted driver found
12:58<hellues>in #compiz-fusion
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13:01<hellues>how can i take xserver-xgl package
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13:11<yoluca>hi all
13:12<yoluca>does anyone know a good most needed package guide for debian etch 4.0 ?(packages like flash,java,nvidia,alsa,multimedia plugins...) ?
13:12<leno>yoluca, what do you want to know?
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13:13<yoluca>packages like flash,java,nvidia,alsa,multimedia plugins...) ?
13:13<yoluca>how to get all this things working ... and even more ... like mplayer ...bittorent client .. thinks like that
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13:29<hellues>what is repo for xserver-xgl debian sid
13:31<hellues>deb etch-backports main contrib non-free
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13:35<yoluca>i have deb etch-backports main contrib non-free in my sources.list but i still cannot install ntfs-3g error " ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed : Broken packages
13:35<yoluca>any idea what im doing wrong ?
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13:38<hellues>i want that package
13:38<hellues>i coouldnt find
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13:41<hellues>debian:/home/hellues# compiz
13:41<hellues>Checking for Xgl: not present.
13:41<hellues>No whitelisted driver found
13:41<hellues>aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
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13:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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13:41<hellues>how can i solve tihs problem
13:42<hellues>pls look at it
13:43<hellues>nobody there
13:43<yoluca>how do i make ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /media/#120 -o default_permissions to auto mount that hdd ?
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13:44<yoluca>do i need to add anything in /etc/fstab or once mounted with ntfs-3g will be auto mounted everytime ?
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14:00<brandon>ya des français !?
14:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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14:27<hellues>its done
14:27<hellues>nvidia is done hahahhaha
14:28<hellues>and now
14:29<hellues>Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
14:29<hellues>Segmentation faul
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14:30<mario>nn riesco a scaricare la lista dei server
14:30<mario>mi puoi aiutare
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14:30<hellues>any help
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14:31<mario>allora qualcuno mi puo' aiutare?
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14:49<tebo>xcalib do Xlib: extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":1.0" why? I load extmod in xorg
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14:59<PetaWindows>tebo: I have the same error when I start compiz
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15:21<syd>hello guys. does enyone know a way of making USB work with Wine?
15:21<blarson>When there are two processes with working sets larger than 1/2 memory, is there any way to convince the scheduler that it's better to let one hog memory?
15:21<blarson>(other than doing it manually with kill -STOP)
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15:28<panagos>is there a utility for kernel configuring? (/boot/config-* files)
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15:53<chump_>i wanted to reinstall windows on my laptop and debian is on the last partition
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15:54<chump_>can i use DD
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15:56<daniel>tem alguem do brasil pra tirar duvidas,,
15:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:57<daniel>there is anybody from brazil
15:57<daniel>in these chanel there are less people then this,.
15:57<daniel>i am a beginner in debin
15:58<daniel>i need some help
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15:58<daniel>i want install openoffice but a cant
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15:58<daniel>there is a erro in aptitude
15:59<pdy>daniel: what error is that?
16:00<daniel>open 11 recurso indisponival
16:01<daniel>i drop the file lock .... i read in a forum.
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16:01<daniel>but after this , star the erro.
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16:01<pdy>daniel: the lock usually has a reason, for example when another tool is accessing the package database
16:02<daniel>i restarted the pc.. and continuos
16:02<pdy>daniel: when you execute "aptitude update" on the command line as root, what error message do you get?
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16:04<daniel>E: Não foi possível abrir arquivo de trava /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Pe rmissão negada)
16:04<daniel>there is other
16:04<daniel>one moment
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16:05<pdy>daniel: make sure that no apt-get, no dselect, no aptitude, no synaptics etc. is running when you do it
16:05<daniel>there isn error when i do this
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16:07<daniel>i'm sure
16:07<pdy>daniel: there is no error you mean?
16:08<pdy>daniel: so "aptitude update" works without an error?
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16:09<pdy>nice, and when you try again now to install openoffice, what happens?
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16:09<hellues>i have a problem
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16:09<daniel>when started there is a red line
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16:10<hellues> Intel Corporation 82801H
16:10<hellues>there is no sound on debian
16:10<daniel>and say /var/lock/aptitude - open (11 )
16:10<hellues>debian sid
16:10<daniel>only read
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16:11<daniel>this is the erro,
16:11<devil>hellues: did you run alsaconf as root?
16:11<devil>hellues: everything unmuted and all levers up in kmix or alsamixer?
16:12<pdy>daniel: maybe the lock file was left over from previews attempts. when you are sure no application is running you can go and delete the lock file in /var/lock, then try again
16:12<hellues>same problem in ubuntu but ubuntu solve this
16:12<devil>hellues: cat /proc/asound/cards says what?
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16:12<daniel>i will try wait,
16:12<hellues>with a package linux-backports-modules and write option snd-hda-ntel model=acer to alsa-base
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16:13<daniel>how root i need del ?
16:13<devil>hellues: ah, so its hda_intel
16:13<hellues> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
16:13<hellues> HDA Intel at 0x9b300000 irq 23
16:13<pdy>daniel: yes you need to be root to have permission to delete there
16:13<daniel>cd .]
16:13<devil>hellues: are you up to date with alsa?
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16:13<hellues>i dont know
16:14<hellues>how can i findout
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16:14<hellues>just t aminute
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16:14<devil>hellues: apt-cache policy alsa-base tell me whats installed
16:14<daniel>pdy: there is one file called aptitude
16:14<hellues>my alsa version 1.0.15
16:15<pdy>daniel: delete it
16:15<devil>hellues: there is more, current is 1.0.15-4
16:15<hellues>devil, 1.0.15-4
16:16<devil>hellues: hm, should work
16:16<hellues>no work
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16:16<devil>hellues: cat /proc/asound/modules
16:17<hellues>devil, 0 snd_hda_intel
16:17<devil>hellues: modprobe snd_hda_intel
16:17<devil>hellues: does that just give a prompt?
16:18<daniel>pdy: great the erro was gone.. but i cant install the open office
16:18<devil>hellues: good
16:18<hellues>so ?
16:18<devil>hellues: rtry again playung something
16:18<hellues>what is rfty
16:18<devil>hellues: try
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16:19<daniel>pdy: show a mesage to update the packge then update start a loop
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16:19<hellues>alsamixer has headphone front front mi mic boos iec958
16:20<hellues>devil, 950*
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16:20<hellues>no master and pcm
16:20<devil>hellues: hm, stuff missing
16:20<pdy>daniel: oh, that sounds not about right. what version of debian do you use?
16:20<devil>hellues: make sure all are unmuted and up
16:20<recognizer>i have a problem with this file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules , in this file i have my firewire device like an network device
16:20<hellues>hmm şn adittion gnome volume manager doest work says no suşitable gstreamer or devicce found
16:21<daniel>pdy: i installed yesterday,
16:21<hellues>all unmuted
16:21<daniel>i don't know.
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16:21<devil>hellues: what app are you trying to play sound with?
16:21<hellues>i have alsamixer gnome-alsamixer and gnome-volumme-manager
16:21<pdy>daniel: does the CD have a name on it? or did you download and make the CD yourself?
16:21<devil>hellues: no the player
16:22<hellues>i open video from youtube
16:22<daniel>i download a iso..
16:22<daniel>how can i check the verson
16:22<pdy>daniel: please copy me the name of the iso file
16:22<recognizer>that problem makes i cant connect normally to inet
16:22<devil>hellues: well youtube is no good to see if your sound basicaly works
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16:23<hellues>just a second
16:23<daniel>40 r2
16:23<devil>hellues: play some mp3
16:23<recognizer>anyone can help me with this?
16:23<pdy>daniel: ah, good. that means you have Debian Version 4.0 Release Number 2
16:23<hellues>xmms or rhythmbox or totem
16:23<pdy>daniel: thats the current stable version
16:23<daniel>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r2 "Etch" - Official i386 kde-CD Binary-1
16:23<daniel> 20080102-13:51
16:24<devil>hellues: dont matter, make sure its set to alsa as engine
16:24<pdy>daniel: thats good. thank you. this version should be fine. let me think for a moment
16:25<daniel>i del one file called lock after this started the erro,, i read in a forum to do this,, but after started a bug
16:25<devil>recognizer: i dont understand the prob, does 'like' mean 'as well as'?
16:26<devil>...firewire device like an network device...
16:26<recognizer>devil: hi
16:26<recognizer>devil: yes
16:26<hellues>no sound
16:27<pdy>daniel: yes i am looking right now if that is a known problem. do you use the portugese version, aptitude-br?
16:27<devil>recognizer: did you create or edit the rule?
16:27<recognizer>devil: so the problem is that this file is autogenarated and assigns the order in wich the interfaces are connected to inet..
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16:28<devil>recognizer: you may delete or rename that rule and try again, reboot, maybe umplug firewire
16:28<devil>hellues: app set to alsa?
16:28<daniel>pdy: yes
16:28<recognizer>devil: the firewire is integrated to the mainboard
16:29<hellues>i guess xmms uses alsa
16:29<devil>recognizer: you can also edit that rule to your needs
16:29<devil>hellues: dont guess, check
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16:29<hellues>no sound in totem to
16:30<recognizer>devil: i have edt it and dhcp doesn't seem to look at the appropiate device..
16:30<hellues>how can i check
16:30<devil>recognizer: i have no knowledge about firewire unfortunately
16:30<devil>hellues: settings soundengine or the like
16:31<devil>recognizer: mv the line and see what happens
16:31<hellues>how set sondengine?
16:31<pdy>daniel: can you try for the moment if the following command works for you: apt-get install
16:32<recognizer>devil: change order?
16:32<devil>recognizer: maybe that helps as well
16:32<pdy>daniel: and for better help in your language you could try #debian-br on
16:32<devil>recognizer: you could also rename it and restart the network
16:33<recognizer>devil: do you know in wich channel can i ask for this kind of networking problems related to debian?
16:33<pdy>daniel: there is also a mailing list for users from brasil
16:33<devil>recognizer: people in here should know
16:33<daniel>pdy: thanks..
16:34<devil>hellues: choose one in settings
16:34<pdy>daniel: please have a look:
16:34<daniel>pdy: now show packts broken
16:34<hellues>xmm doesnt open
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16:35<pdy>daniel: i am sorry. looks like something is wrong with your system. but i think a person can help you better in your language
16:36<daniel>fro the help..
16:37<pdy>daniel: i am sorry that i was not able to help any better
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16:44<hellues>no sound
16:44<sda1>how to configure an orinoco gold pccard?
16:45<devil>hellues: most hda_intel work out of the box by now, if not, maybe alsa-hg might help
16:46<hellues>what is alsa-hfg
16:46<hellues>what is alsa-hg
16:46<hellues>is a package
16:46<noflash>!dpkg orinoco
16:47<dpkg>it has been said that orinoco is a linux-supported wireless device, or, or secondary (station) firmware is unable to be flashed in GNU/Linux. Firmware is available from <>, Agere 7.xx and 8.xx firmwares are buggy in monitor mode, use <= 6.16 for this feature. Also ask about <orinoco usb>.
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16:49<devil>hellues: its like a svn for alsa
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16:51<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
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16:54<amphi>hey, Killing_Frost
16:54<amphi>did grip work out for you?
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16:56<Killing_Frost>Just tried 'apt-get install libsox-fmt-all' and it trashed X, gnome, postgresql, etc. Is there any way to recover from this, as I need gnome at least? Running lenny.
16:57<amphi>that sounds very odd
16:58<SeveredCross>That's happened to me a few times.
16:58<SeveredCross>aptitude would want to remove ALL kinds of stuff.
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16:58<SeveredCross>Removed a good chunk of GNOME once.
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17:00<Killing_Frost>znow when I try to use apt-get, it still wants to remove it all and says to run apt-get auto-clean. I'm just hoping there's a way to backtrace and recover from it.
17:02<devil>Killing_Frost: its a good idea to read what apt wants to do before giving your ok
17:03*Killing_Frost laughs. I answered 'no' when it asked if I wanted to continue.
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17:06<biginner>hey, how can I remove a programm that I installed from the source?
17:06<styx>biginner: make uninstall
17:07<biginner>but I removed the directory, witch I installed the programm from
17:08<devil>hehe, good trick
17:08<styx>biginner: download, configure, make, make uninstall
17:08<styx>just try to configure the same way as you did before
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17:08<biginner>is there another solition?
17:09<styx>leave it where it is.
17:09<biginner>with dpkg perhaps
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17:09<styx>biginner: you installed by SOURCE, you bypassed the package management, right?
17:10<styx>so the package management has no idea what's going on, so -> no way. dpkg doesn't even know you installed.
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17:10<styx>for future reference, you can use debian tools to create a .deb file. that can easily be uninstalled
17:10<biginner>it was not a easy way to install from the source!
17:10<styx>dpkg-buildpackage, IIRC
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17:10<biginner>styx, yes but I'm just asking
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17:10*Killing_Frost waves...
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17:11<styx>biginner: no offense meant
17:11<biginner>thanks bru
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17:11<styx>if my explanations sound harsh, it's because i am rather bold sometimes..
17:12<styx>... and there is always this little daemon on my shoulder named sarcasm *gg*
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17:12<biginner>so you mean the only way is to configure make, make install and then make deinstall?
17:12<styx>you can skip the make install.. make uninstall should be fine
17:13<styx>why do you wnt to remove it, anyway?
17:13<styx>you could also try locate - ing all files named like the executable
17:13<styx>and manually remove them
17:14<styx>if it is not in init.d and a daemon, it shouldn't hurt to leave it on the box
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17:14<biginner>I had to make install with arguments to allow desaktivate something!
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17:15<biginner>it's not in init.d ans is not a daemon
17:15<styx>what program is it?
17:15<biginner>you mean I can ust remove the directory under /usr
17:16<styx>try locate pidgin
17:16<biginner>I did
17:17<biginner>it's in everywhere in /usr!
17:17<styx>hard to tell, if it looks like not being part of another app, try to move it to another location and see if all works
17:17<biginner>/usr/local/lib/pidgin /usr/local/include/pgin ...
17:18<styx>yes, sounds pretty sage
17:18<biginner>it's a big pkg too
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17:20<donaldo>hi all. i need command-line base 64 codec in etch. any help? aish looks more difficult than it ought to be
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17:21<devil>biginner: whats wrong with pidgin in sid?
17:21<styx>donaldo: perl?
17:21<dondelelcaro>donaldo: and base64 doesn't do what you want to do?
17:22<biginner>devil, I should reinstall it with arguments to desaktivate ssh encryption by msn messenger!
17:22<donaldo>dondelelcaro: there is such a package? i used apt-cache search base64 and didn't see any such package
17:23<dondelelcaro>donaldo: it's in coreutils
17:23<donaldo>dondelelcaro: thanks
17:23<dondelelcaro>donaldo: so odds are you already have it installed...
17:23<devil>biginner: if you do what styx HINTED, DO IT THE WAY YOU DID BEFORE
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17:23<devil>ups, sorry for caps
17:23<donaldo>dondelelcaro: in etch? i have coreutils installed but no base64 command on my path
17:24<biginner>devil, okay I will boss
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17:25<biginner>just the way how I installed it was not so pretty and I said hmm okay perhaps can I do it manually, this is why I'm asking for ^^
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17:25<dondelelcaro>donaldo: doesn't look like it, actually... but it is in the coreutils in testing; it looks like gnu-lib has it too.
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17:26<donaldo>dondelelcaro: i'll check it out. thakns
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17:29<devil>biginner: apt-get install pidgin would have been the usual way
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17:30<biginner>but not 3.2.1
17:30<biginner>i mean 2.3.1
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17:33<donaldo>does scp support multiple hops?
17:34<donaldo>hmm, i suppose i can do it myself without too much difficulty
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17:34<danny>does anyone know where the desktop effects are in ubuntu ultimate 1.7
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17:39<istoc>Hi, how can I specify a computer to boot into single user mode on next boot and only on next boot?
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17:41<styx>istoc: via grub, if you are in front of the box
17:42<istoc>styx: I am
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17:43<istoc>Would I have to change the grub settings twice?
17:45<styx>istoc: just append single at the end of the line
17:46<styx>istoc: it's a non-permanent modification, however, i suggest you copy the GRUB block for normal boot and just name it "Single mode" and add the single keyword to the kernel line
17:46<styx>e.g. copy the whole title Debian GNU/Linux.... section
17:47<istoc>styx: I've never done this before, Ill read more about it
17:47<styx>istoc: ok ;)
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18:11<xemacs>Can i do debian install onto new usb drive ?
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18:13<noflash>!usb install
18:13<dpkg>well, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: or
18:14<dpkg>methinks openmosix is, or is the GPLv2, Open Source, project to extend the outstanding Mosix project. New releases of Mosix became proprietary software in late 2001 Not appropriate for true parallel programs, where interconnect speed matters (and ethernet won't cut it)
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18:15<dpkg>methinks linus is The Man. or mistaken for the OS or our savior, or someone who pushes to have procfs replace sysctl, despite the fact for programs this makes things significantly slower. someone that doesn't comment, or at
18:16<dpkg>beowulf is probably that nifty cluster technology at, or
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18:17<jamesstilwell3rd>^^^^that's the link I was looking for...
18:18<jamesstilwell3rd>Where has all the single system image code gone.......?
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18:33<chaoticmass>Debian Etch: My simple iptables based firewall/NAT/forwarding script I used to use on Sarge is not working right under Etch. I'm ready to try something else. What is a good firewall to use for a novice? eth0 is wan and eth1 is lan. hosts connected to eth1 get an IP on the local subnet just fine, but they can't access the internet.
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18:35<themill>chaoticmass: perhaps the ipmasq package would help you.
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18:36<Jmd>I'm having some trouble with madwifi and the 2.6.24 linux kernel.
18:37<Jmd>I compiled my own kernel for Debian(2.6.24) and then I installed madwifi.
18:37<Jmd>Now madwifi works, but every time I boot I get a load of text(errors) that come up on boot:
18:38<Jmd>I've compiled kernel with virtually the same configuration as I did this 2.6.24 kernel, and I installed madwifi the same way on that kernel and that works flawlessly.
18:38<Jmd>Is there any reason for this? And more importantly, can I fix it?
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18:38<loran>hello /bonsoir
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19:00<[Dark-Star]>does ne1 here use snakebite ?
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19:00<EmleyMoor>[Dark-Star]: Not the answer you want: two good drinks spoiled
19:01<EmleyMoor>If you have a problem with it, tell the channel your problem and see if anyone answers
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19:02<brunokrebs>what is the plugin to run .wmv videos?
19:02<[Dark-Star]>well i got the snakebite-rc3.deb and finly got it to start the install but it denent on python 2.3 and will not let me install it, althrou i do have python 2.4 installed
19:03<brunokrebs>I mean what are the codecs?
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19:03<EmleyMoor>[Dark-Star]: If it is specifically for 2.3, see if that is available for you
19:04<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: Try the w32codecs package - no promises though
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19:05<brunokrebs>ok I try this one thx
19:06<biginner>can someone tell me how can I create a extended partition with parted?
19:06<biginner>or other tools
19:06<SeveredCross>If you've got a GUI, try GParted or QTParted.
19:07<biginner>but I cant create an extended partition!
19:07<EmleyMoor>biginner: Extended partitions are numbered 5+ typicallly, with 4 as the container
19:07<EmleyMoor>If you have 4 primaries, you need to remove or convert one
19:08<biginner>that's esactly my problem!
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19:09<biginner>how can I convert it, any idea please
19:09<EmleyMoor>biginner: Is there much on it?
19:09<SeveredCross>Is that even possible without deleting it and making a new one?
19:10<EmleyMoor>SeveredCross: I doubt it but never say never
19:10<biginner>I think it's not possible I have 4 primarry: first one is a bootable on, the second for / the 3. for /home and a 4. for swap!
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19:10<SeveredCross>Delete swap.
19:11<SeveredCross>Create an extended partition.
19:11<SeveredCross>And recreate swap as a logical partition inside it.
19:11<biginner>are you sure!
19:11<EmleyMoor>Delete your swap for now - you can live without it for a little while
19:11<SeveredCross>That's your best bet if you need to make an extended partition.
19:11<[Dark-Star]>that what im looking for right now is python 2.3 but wondering if it has already been put in a deb package
19:11<lamagra>Hey guy's. I am installing the latest stable release of debian. It's asking me about the disk's. I'm curious about the Encrypted LVM partitions, what are the pro's/con's of setting the disks to use Encrypted LVM or just normal ext3?
19:12<biginner>how long can I live without swap!
19:12<SeveredCross>Encrypted LVM can use any filesystem underneath the hood lamagra, it doesn't matter.
19:12<SeveredCross>biginner: Uh...Forever?
19:12<SeveredCross>Linux is perfectly stable without a swap partition.
19:12<SeveredCross>So is Windows for that matter.
19:12<EmleyMoor>biginner: You won't be without it long... but it is possible to do without it altogether
19:12<brunokrebs>hey I have debian installed on my laptop, and I have a button on it to control the volume, but this button is not working, do I have to install a driver or something like this?
19:12<dooder>biginner: there is also swapd
19:13<biginner>okay I do what that right now
19:13<lamagra>SeveredCross I am presented with this option during the install, it raised my eyebrow. I'm not familiar with it, do you recommend it?
19:13<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: Very likely, and there is no guarantee it exists... or it could be an extension to the keyboard
19:13<lamagra>I am new to this.
19:13<SeveredCross>lamagra: I'm not familiar with it either beyond the very surface lamagra.
19:13<lamagra>However I do want a secure system, and encryption sounds secure :)
19:13<brunokrebs>EmleyMoor, any ideas? I mean it was working fine with ubuntu
19:13<lamagra>SeveredCross Would you say to install using that or not?
19:14<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: There is likely a driver then - google for it
19:14<biginner>can my system boot without swap partition?
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19:14<EmleyMoor>biginner: I am sure it can
19:14<brunokrebs>EmleyMoor, but I have no idea what to google for, I mean I have no idea what to type there :P
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19:15<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: How about (laptop make and model) Linux volume
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19:15<brunokrebs>EmleyMoor, hmm yeah it is a good idea thx hehehehhe
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19:18<EmleyMoor>If you had a free choice between a PATA or SATA DVD-ROM drive which would you choose?
19:18<pdy>SATA as the support for it is more grown up
19:19<Gekz>I'm looking for the best way to hotswap between two or more keymaps
19:20<pdy>Gekz: on the console or on Xorg?
19:20<themill>Gekz: in X? KDE certainly has that ability to swap on a defined keystroke.
19:20<Gekz>themill: I'm using XFCE
19:20<biginner>so I will create now a normal logical swap partion under the extended one
19:21<biginner>whene I format it with linux-swap should my system recognize it autoamtically?
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19:22<pdy>biginner: you need to add it to your /etc/fstab
19:22<biginner>ah okay :)
19:22<brunokrebs>lspci will list all the pci devices, or only the ones with a driver installed?
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19:22<biginner>and after that should everything works fine as before?
19:23<pdy>biginner: if you need it before a reboot you need "swapon"
19:23<EmleyMoor>It should work fine and allow you further partitions
19:23<biginner>thanks pdy ^^
19:23<streuner>brunokrebs: no, lspci list all devices which are in the db
19:23<brunokrebs>hmm ok
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19:30<brunokrebs>oh god so much to learn
19:30<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: Are you Irish?
19:30<brunokrebs>anyway, what is the name of the stuff that happens when I close my notebook or when I stay a long time without using it
19:30<pdy>brunokrebs: take small steps. make a list of things you need to do with your computer based on priority
19:31<brunokrebs>EmleyMoor, why do you ask that?
19:31<pdy>brunokrebs: acpi events maybe?
19:31<brunokrebs>pdy, I need my devices to work properly
19:31<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: Power management - suspending and stuff like that - acpi
19:31<EmleyMoor>brunokrebs: Just out of interest
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19:32<brunokrebs>ok, the problem is, when this happens and I try to use it again it shows me a window to type my password again
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19:32<brunokrebs>but the keyboard is not working anymore :P
19:32<biginner>I cant format the partition to linux-swap, the kernel dont know about the new partition!
19:32<biginner>should I reboot the system?
19:32<EmleyMoor>Ah - screensaver kills your keyboard? Hmmm!
19:32<brunokrebs>it does
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19:32<pdy>brunokrebs: ah. thats only the screensaver. you can configure that via the preferences menu
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19:32<brunokrebs>and I think it is happening like for the last two days
19:32<amphi>biginner: did you do mkswap?
19:33<pdy>brunokrebs: what you need to disable is to "lock" the screen inside the screensaver
19:33<biginner>I use gparted right now, where can I use this?
19:34<daniele>\Get List
19:34<daniele>\ list
19:34<brunokrebs>pdy, lock the screen inside the screensaver, hmmmm dont get it
19:34<amphi>biginner: if you've created a swap partition, do mkswap /dev/whatever
19:35<pdy>brunokrebs: no. the feature that does this is called "locking the screen" as soon as the screensaver is activated. you can configure the screensaver to either use this or not
19:35<brunokrebs>pdy, ahm I see
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19:35<[Dark-Star]>ok i have installed python-2.3.6 and i still get the same error while trying to install snakebite-rc3
19:35<pdy>brunokrebs: do you use Gnome or KDE as desktop environment?
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19:36<biginner>amphi, I just remove the swap-partion to create an extended, because I hade 4 primary. so I just created now a new swap partition but I cant format it with linux-swap, the kernel doesnt know abour the new table!
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19:37<biginner>so whene I do for example mkswap /dev/myNewSwapPartition<
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19:37<biginner>I get /dev/myNewSwapPartition: no such file or directory
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19:38<lupine>if the hard drive was in use, then re-reading the partition table might have failed... in which case, you need to reboot
19:38<brunokrebs>well it is not locking the screen anymore
19:39<biginner>lupine, can the system boot without swap partitionß
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19:40<lupine>well, yes
19:40<lupine>unless you have < ~8MB RAM
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19:41<lupine>and even then, you could get a busybox shell up
19:41<pdy>biginner: does "partprobe" work for you?
19:42<biginner>pdy, how can I see that it works :)
19:42<pdy>biginner: if you get an error message when you execute that command you know it does not work :-p
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19:43<biginner>so it works without errors :)
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19:43<[Dark-Star]>This is the Error while running the Gdebi installer on snakebite-rc3/snakebite-rc2.."Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python2.3" as i have stated above i have python 2.4 & 2.5 installed and just install python 2.3.6 and still recive this error i'm running the latest stable version of debian. any ideas??
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19:43<biginner>so I should inform my system about the new table now
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19:44<pdy>biginner: the point is the following. the partitions are defined in the so called partition table. when you modify it the operating system has to re-read this to be able to use the modifications
19:44<biginner>hmm I still get the error, I cant format the new partition to swap
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19:46<pdy>biginner: do you have multiple devices? did you try "partprobe /dev/sda" in case your hdd is conntected and recognized as /dev/sda?
19:47<EmleyMoor>[Dark-Star]]: How did you install that version of python?
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19:47<[Dark-Star]>synaptic package manager
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19:48<brunokrebs>how do I check the version of a program through command line?
19:48<brunokrebs>if this is possible
19:48<pdy>brunokrebs: --version
19:48<brunokrebs>cool thx
19:48<biginner>pdy, oh sorry I get errors when executing this partprobe
19:48<biginner>can I paste it here? oO
19:48<brunokrebs>pdy, yeah it works :D thx
19:49<pdy>biginner: if its 1-2 lines. else use website
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19:50<amphi>biginner: I was busy - did you sort out your swap partition?
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19:50<pdy>amphi: we are at the task of re-reading the partition table via "partprobe"
19:50<pdy>why what?
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19:51<amphi>why not just reboot after partitioning
19:51<k-man>i just tried to install the nvidia drivers on 2.6.24, but i get the following error is there any known issues with trying to install nvidia drivers on 2.6.24?
19:51<pdy>why reboot if you can just re-read the partition table? are we windows users?
19:52<biginner>pdy, I pasted it but I dont see it!
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19:52<pdy>biginner: yep. you will get a link from the website. you need to copy that link to the channel
19:52<biginner>amphi, yes I did but I still cant format the new swap partition
19:52<amphi>wtf does windows have to do with it? I prefer to reboot after monkeying with partition tables
19:53<amphi>biginner: what happens if you do mkswap /dev/whatever ?
19:53<biginner>pdy, I dindnt get anything!
19:53<pdy>amphi: please be civil. please trust me that a reboot is not necessary if re-reading the partition table does exactly what it has to do.
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19:54<biginner>oh sorry!
19:54<amphi>and as for civil, look at the beam in your own eye
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19:54<pdy>biginner: i will give the helper stake over to sir amphi. he is a true champion. good luck.
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19:54<biginner>so here is it
19:54<hellues>i have a problem
19:54<hellues>with wireless
19:54<biginner>thanks pdy
19:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:55<amphi>biginner: those error messages are from partprobe; you must address questions about that to pdy
19:55<hellues>look here pls
19:55<biginner>amphi, you find the errors what I get whene I excecute partprobe /dev/sda under
19:56<amphi>biginner: you could pastebin the output of fdisk -l
19:56<pdy>amphi: would you stop your kid games already and take the challenge you were begging for?
19:56<hellues>i cannot connect any network in here
19:56<hellues>some has suggestion ?
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19:56<amphi>pdy: I don't know anything about partprobe; you recommended he use it
19:57<amphi>pdy: please stop being an imbecile
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19:57<biginner>amphi, here is it
19:57<pdy>amphi: you made a choice when you butted in the situation about using reboots or re-reading the partition table. and you have to handle the result of this choice now.
19:58<amphi>pdy: into the oubliette you go
19:58<pdy>amphi: how old are you?
19:58<amphi>biginner: cat /proc/swaps shows anything?
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19:59<biginner>amphi whene I do mkswap /dev/swap-partition I get no such file or direktory /dev/swap-partition
19:59<biginner>a moment
20:00<biginner>the swap partition is not yet created
20:00<amphi>biginner: you have to use the actuall partition name, /dev/sda5 in your case, according to fdisk
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20:00<biginner>yes I woul but I cant format the partition
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20:01<amphi>biginner: what does mkswap /dev/sda5 say?
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20:02<biginner>/dev/sda5 no such file or direktory
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20:03<pdy>biginner: are you sure you told gparted to execute your changes or just quit the application?
20:03<biginner>with gparted I get this error gparted make nothing as mkswap /dev/sda5
20:04<biginner>pdy, gparted is always on and I try just to execute the changes
20:04<amphi>did you reboot since then?
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20:04<biginner>so gparted partitined /dev/sda5 really but cant execute mkswap /dev/sda5
20:04<pdy>biginner: problem is the following. you might have tried to change a partition that was in use to the time you run gparted
20:04<biginner>amphi, no I didnt
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20:05<hellues>pls lok at it
20:05<amphi>biginner: I would reboot, and try again
20:05<biginner>pdy, I think so
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20:05<biginner>so I'll reboot guys
20:05<biginner>I hope it goes everything allright!
20:05<pdy>biginner: hold on
20:05<pdy>biginner: dont reboot at the moment, please
20:06<amphi>biginner: did you read the message you last pastebinned?
20:06<pdy>biginner: first modify your /etc/fstab so it does not mount the old swap partition which wont exist after reboot
20:06<biginner>amphi, witch one do you mean
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20:07<biginner>pdy, how can I know the UUID of the new partition?
20:08<pdy>biginner: best is you comment the line out, later when you formatted the new swap partition you only have to change the device inside /etc/fstab
20:08<amphi>biginner: "This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/sda5 until you reboot" and so on
20:08<pdy>amphi: you are butting in again
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20:10<biginner>pdy, I comment it out, but I still cant format the new swap partition
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20:11<pdy>biginner: yes, now you can reboot
20:11<biginner>amphi, yes I did but what should I do? reboot?
20:12<biginner>so now as the both `helpers' agree ^^ I do
20:13<pdy>i am not a helper. i found you unfixed after amphi left you half sorted
20:13<pdy>thats why we have this confusion now
20:13<ydwang>This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/sda5 until you reboot? is remount ok?
20:13<biginner>thanks everybody anyways ^^
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20:16<brunokrebs>Im trying to install some packages but one depends on the other and vice-versa how do I do?
20:16<themill>brunokrebs: aptitude or apt-get should do that automatically for you.
20:17<brunokrebs>themill, Im using apt-get but it says exactly this, that it depends on another package
20:17<[Dark-Star]>i just installed every python /python related file from snm and still get the same error with snakebite
20:17<themill>brunokrebs: can you pastebin the output for me?
20:17<brunokrebs>then I try to install the second, and it says that dpends on the first
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20:18<brunokrebs>themill, oh it told me to do apt-get -f install I will try this
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20:21<brunokrebs>themill, yeah apt-get -f install worked
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20:22<themill>night all
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20:23<bigginer>hello again, so I formatted the new swap partition, allright, but how about the entry about the old swap partition in /etc/fstab?
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20:23<bigginer>should I change the UUID?
20:24<pdy_>bigginer: yep. but that will only take effect on next boot. to activate the swap partition you need to "swapon <device>" now
20:24<bigginer>I did already
20:25<bigginer>pdy, you wrote me I should comment out the line about the old swap partition in /etc/fstab
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20:25<pdy_>bigginer: now you can remove the "#" and adjust the device
20:25<bigginer>so I did and after a reboot I formated the new swap partition with linux-swap and I swapon it
20:26<bigginer>pdy, should I change the UUID?
20:27<pdy_>bigginer: personally, i would remove the UUID and use the device instead
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20:29<bigginer>I think I should enter the new UUID to new partition
20:29<bigginer> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid should give me the UUID
20:30<pdy_>if you like to use UUID's, sure
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20:32<bigginer>thanks guys and have a great evening
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20:32<pdy_>you too
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20:37<whackblattbaby>use blkid command to get UUID
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20:42<Ouroboros>i just did a fresh etch install... why are CDs auto-mounting now?
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20:43<Ouroboros>and more importantly, how can i disable this behavior
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20:44<blarson>Ouroboros: either you have the option set in /etc/fstab , or you are running a program that does it.
20:45<blarson>Ouroboros: are you complaining about mount at boot, or at gui login?
20:45<Ouroboros>at gui
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20:46<Ouroboros>i have "noauto" in /etc/fstab, is that not enough?
20:46<brunokrebs>hey does anyone knows a good zoom software to gnome?
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20:47<Ouroboros>blarson: sorry, i am not really familiar with how automounting works in general, so i am unable to phrase my question more precisely
20:48<amphi>Ouroboros: 'noauto' just means they are not automatically mounted at boot, it has no effect on any automounters AFAIK
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20:48<Ouroboros>amphi: that seems consistent with the manpage
20:48<blarson>Ouroboros: so it's your filemanager doing it. Sorry I can't help there, since I dispise them.
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20:49<Ouroboros>i have gnome-volume-manager installed
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20:56<kdallas>Hi guys! A question wrt services. Do I need to have both anacron and atd as well as acpid and apmd ? The reason I am asking is that the items in those pairs are all active at start up
20:56<Gekz>what is the best way to watch outgoing and incoming connections in an easily readable way?
20:57<amphi>Gekz: iptraf is quite nice (ncurses)
20:57*Gekz looks
20:57<Gekz>and I was hoping for something ncurses :P
20:58<Gekz>amphi: thanks, that's exactly what I wanted
20:59<Gekz>only problem now is to work out what ports mean what >_>
20:59<Gekz>I know what most are
20:59<Gekz>51505 is what
20:59<amphi>bittorrent probably ;)
20:59<pdy_>check /etc/services
20:59<Gekz>I haven't got bittorrent on though
21:00<pdy_>that is for incoming connections, outgoing connections are kind of random
21:00<amphi>you can tell iptraf to use names for known service prts
21:01<Ouroboros>hm, dont you have to be root to mount/umount stuff?
21:01<pdy_>outgoing connections can be identified by the destination port or by the related incoming connection
21:01<EmleyMoor>Ouroboros: Not always - it's possible for some devices to be mounted by ordinary users
21:01<Gekz>amphi: yeah I did that now
21:01<Gekz>all is good
21:02<amphi>Ouroboros: pmount lets users mount removable devices
21:02<Gekz>it was the msn protocol port
21:02<Gekz>no wonder I was suspicious
21:02<Gekz>there be msn on me netw0rk.
21:02<Ouroboros>amphi: ok that is fine, but why is this stuff different on this install than on my previous install of etch :/
21:02<amphi>Ouroboros: I know not ;)
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21:05<Ouroboros>insteresting, i have gnome-volume-manager on my previous system as well, apparently its just not working properly :)
21:06<pdy_>Ouroboros: maybe a conspipracy
21:06<Ouroboros>i blame long cat
21:07<pdy_>short hairs and blue eyes?
21:07<EmleyMoor>You have a long cat
21:07<Gekz>a long cat?
21:07<Ouroboros>Gekz: long cat is long.
21:08<Gekz>short cat is short?
21:08*dpalacio tacgnol
21:08<Gekz>short cat ended with an EOF
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21:09<EmleyMoor>A long cat is a cat which, from its size, you don't think could possibly stretch out to a length you later find it at
21:09<ajehals>Hi, I'm having issues with DV Firewire devices under Etch, the raw1394 kernel module and corresponding /dev/raw1394 node don't seem to exist, I cant seem to find any info on how to work around this. (Usual disclaimer that I have probably missed something, and that this was working about 6 months ago..)
21:09<kdallas>A question wrt services. Do I need to have both anacron and atd as well as acpid and apmd ? The reason I am asking is that the items in those pairs are all active at start up
21:10<Ouroboros>vmware + debian with screen resolution too large + no vmtools = sucks
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21:16<ajehals>nm - no longer supported AFAIKT
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21:23<rodrigo_> boa noite. queria saber se alguém aqui entende de modem... queria fazer um NAT no meu e estou precisando de ajuda...
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21:27<amphi>!tell rodrigo_ -about br
21:28<rodrigo_>somebody can help about my modem?
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21:40<philipp>all of you are realy super
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21:40<philipp>i wish all of you a brilliant day
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21:48<pdy_>philipp: thanks, likewise
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21:52<Ouroboros>anyone have experience with vmware server? trying to figure out how to get fullscreen mode to work with xorg... unfortunately it does not give much error information
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21:55<pdy_>Ouroboros: you press CTRL+ALT+ENTER
21:57<Ouroboros>pdy_: well, yes, and then it tells me that it cant find the appropriate video mode
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21:58<pdy_>Ouroboros: what is your host OS and what is your guest OS?
21:58<Ouroboros>pdy_: debian etch on both
21:58<Ouroboros>pdy_: i have tried various resolutions under the guest, same result every time
21:58<Ouroboros>pdy_: i am running the thing over VNC, might this be the problem?
21:59<pdy_>VNC where? you connect to the host OS via VNC and try there to run the guest OS in fullscreen mode?
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22:00<Ouroboros>pdy_: correct
22:00<pdy_>this cant work in my humble opinion
22:00<Ouroboros>fair enough
22:00<pdy_>but you could poke the vmware forums
22:01<Ouroboros>why am i even bothering with this
22:01<Ouroboros>i can just VNC into the guest
22:01<Ouroboros>problem solved :)
22:01<pdy_>yeah, might be a good idea
22:02<Ouroboros>that also means i dont have to deal with all the vmtools nonsense
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22:06<Aleric>Should I bind mount /sys in a chroot?
22:07<Ouroboros>regarding gnome-volume-manager, why are the mount settings in my Desktop->Preferences... shouldnt these settings be global?
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22:07<pdy_>Aleric: you only need proc in there
22:08<Aleric>Then why are they saying that, there?
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22:10<pdy_>Aleric: the context there is bootstrapping?
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22:11<Aleric>I had the same error message when running apt-get install
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22:11<Aleric>But for that I need /dev/pts thus. I didn't mount /sys yet, not needed it seems. I was just wondering.
22:11<noble->is there a command that will tell what graphics card is on a machine, from the shell?
22:12<Aleric>try lspci -v
22:12<pdy_>i might have to send myself to bed
22:12<amphi>noble-: lspci | grep VGA should tell you
22:13<Aleric>pdy_: I created a tar ball, from which I need to generate a .deb package under sid (I need to test that because of the policy version demand)
22:13<noble->oh wow
22:13<noble->geforce 6600, lol
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22:13<dpkg>You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>.. See
22:14<Aleric>pdy_: Gimmi a hand :). ... How to create a minimal chroot for sid?
22:14<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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22:14<pdy_>Aleric: better not. i am in sleepy mode already :-)
22:14<pdy_>but the debian wiki has an article from Miry i think
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22:15<xemacs>pdy_: how is that a question for the debain channel
22:15<pdy_>xemacs: excuse me?
22:15<xemacs>this is a channel for dicussing the debian operating system !!
22:16<pdy_>oh yes
22:16<Aleric> will help I guess...
22:17<Aleric>I should write my own HOWTO as I go,... cause I want/should write howto on how to set up a 32bit iceweasel on amd64 that runs OUTSIDE the chroot. I got that working and it seems it's nowhere on the net (the way I did that).
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22:20<xemacs>Aleric: you might even get a wiki page
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22:21<Aleric>I already wrote several howto's... I prefer to keep everything in one place (my homepage) :p
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22:21<Aleric><meta name="keywords" content="debian, firefox, iceweasel, amd64, 32bit, flash, HOWTO">
22:22<Aleric>Am I missing something?
22:22<navp>hi can some on tell me where is gcc located on Gusty?
22:22<gsimmons>!tell navp -about ubuntu
22:22<xemacs>THIS IS NOT UBUNTU
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22:27<amphi>but debian's based on ubuntu...
22:27<xemacs>revere that please
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22:30<Aleric><h1>Debian amd64: iceweasel with i386 plugins, outside a chroot</h1>
22:30<Aleric>Sounds ok? :)
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22:31<amphi>Aleric: seems fine
22:32<amphi>Aleric: is this with nsplugin-wrapper?
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22:32<Aleric>no - I tried that... holy shit what a junk.
22:33<amphi>roll on gnash, and free us from the adobe monster
22:33*amphi is flashless
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22:33<amphi>doesn't bother me much
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22:38<k-man>is there any graphics cards that have open source drivers yet?
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22:39<k-man>are there cards with the intel chipsets?
22:40<xemacs>motherboards i know i had one
22:40<Aleric>There are no open source drivers for video cards that really support every acceleration for video and 3D.
22:40<amphi>older radeons are well supported by the xorg driver
22:40<k-man>im sick of this bloody nvidia driver issues
22:40<Aleric>k-man: why?
22:40<k-man>Aleric, because its never easy when i upgrade the kernel
22:41<Aleric>Use my script.
22:41<k-man>in my experience its doesn't juts work
22:41<k-man>Aleric, which script?
22:41<Aleric>I put all my knowledge into a script - it will be like magic ;)
22:41<k-man>ill give it a go
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22:41<k-man>where is it?
22:42<Aleric>For example, create a non-root writable directory.
22:42<Aleric>I use /usr/src/nvidia
22:42<Aleric>And put the two scripts in it.
22:42<Aleric>Also put the .run file(s) in it.
22:42<Aleric>Then run the script ./build-nvidia-kernel
22:43<Aleric>(and follow it's instructions).
22:43<Ouroboros>does this script auto-magically solve compilation problems?
22:43<Aleric>No, it won't work with the prerelease of 2.6.24 if that's your problem.
22:44<Ouroboros>nah, i am still using 2.6.18 :)
22:44<Aleric>plain 2.6.24 should work - but if the nvidia driver isn't supporting your kernel - it won't work, of course.
22:44<Aleric>Then it will work.
22:44<Ouroboros>awesome, will have to try that later
22:44<k-man>Aleric, i got to go
22:44<k-man>ill try it later
22:44<amphi>horrid blobbery
22:45<xemacs>can i be sargent of arms for channel ?
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22:48<amphi>not if you can't spell 'sergeant' ;)
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22:52<Ouroboros>i am still confused about gnome-volume-manager.... does it mount based on the "Removable Drives" settings of the user currently logged it on the desktop? what if no user is logged in?
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23:05*Aleric is writing an intro..
23:05<Aleric>If you wasn't already convinced that closed source sucked before, then surely the experience of trying to browse the net with an amd64 machine will have won you over; I could ponder how much Microsoft is paying Adobe not to release a 64-bit version of their flash plugin-- but why Sun is categorically refusing to address the cry for a 64-bit java plugin for mozilla based browsers since many years is behond me.
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23:08<ikan>mandriva 2008
23:09<Ouroboros>Aleric: why would MS be against this?
23:09*Xenguy wonders what the actual commands are to be run...
23:09<amphi>Aleric: s/behond/beyond ;)
23:09<ikan>hey you zygo
23:10<Zygo>ikan: yes?
23:10<Aleric>amphi, thanks. Any other grammar things?
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23:10<Ouroboros>Aleric: you have an extra space before "but why Sun"
23:10<amphi>Aleric: "If you weren't"
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23:48<kioob>I have a problem on a Debian etch (64bits) : after a "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1" a "fsck.ext3 -f /dev/sda1" found an error : "Journal is not regular file." and the partition is not mountable in ext3 (is mountable in ext2).
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