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00:25<kioob>really strange : same process on an other partition works fine ; and same process (with same features) from a "live cd" works fine too :S
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00:54<steven>I can't seem to get my nvidia card to work...
00:55<steven>It might be my ancient kernel
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01:02<steven>hi
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02:04<austin_>hey everyone
02:04<austin_>I want to say that well I have a penis
02:04<austin_>is that okay with everyone
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02:19<Desiac>any know of a usermode encryption proggie? basicaly no root access (and dont really wana kit it ;)) still have console access, but want to be able to hide particular elements of my account. couldn't afford co-lo, so went managed service (cpanel and the like)... any sugestions appreciated :)
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02:31<k-man>Aleric, is it possible to run your nvidia driver script for a kernel version other than the currently running one?
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02:38<Owner>I'm doing an install and dual booting with XP. Is there any reason I should not use grub?
02:38<cahoot>I can't see any
02:39<Owner>cahoot: I fear touching anything of MS's. In the past I've used their boot loader to boot into grub, just to be safe. (And grub to swtich back.) But I'm not interested in figuring that out again. I'll give it a go. Thanks.
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02:40<k-man>in kernel terms, what arch is an AMD Sempron2600+?
02:40<Owner>k-man: is it 32 or 64 bit?
02:41<k-man>32bit afaik (its pretty old)
02:41<k-man> /proc/cpuinfo reports cpu family is 15
02:42<Owner>k-man: Then it's a i386
02:42<Owner>k-man: Oops, I'm thinking arch.
02:42<k-man>but k6 or k7?
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02:43<Owner>k-man: You don't need to worry about it, just install, say, linux-kernel-2.6 and apt will figure it out.
02:43<k-man>Owner, i want to compile my own kernel for various reasons
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02:44<Owner>Owner: I should know the answer but I'm too tired. Keep asking here. Sorry.
02:45<k-man>Owner, you are talking to yourself
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02:48<k-man>is there a list of the arch types somewhere for compiling the kernel?>
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02:49<AbsintheSyringe>k-man, pick k7
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02:49<k-man>AbsintheSyringe, make-kpkg complains when i put k7
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02:50<k-man>unknown Debian architecture k7, you must specify GNU system type
02:50<Spee_Der>Good morning. Waiting for coffee to finish brewing.
02:51<k-man>maybe arch is i386 and subarch is k7?
02:51<AbsintheSyringe>k-man, very possible
02:51<AbsintheSyringe>it's definetely 32bit
02:52<k-man>AbsintheSyringe, yeah, i think thats it
02:52<k-man>recompiling now with i386
02:52<AbsintheSyringe>;)
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02:54<k-man>Aleric, are you around?
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03:07<jimm>how do I go about getting nvidia driver going on xorg (for etch)? got nv now, worked after dpkg-reconfigure
03:08<whackblattbaby>jimm: /msg dpkg nvidia
03:09<jimm>do I need to build anything?
03:10<jimm>this sed command: s,.*-,,g
03:10<jimm>does it remove anything before and including -?
03:11<jimm>like foo-bar-baz becomes baz and foo-bar-baz-baaaz becomes baaaz?
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03:12<gsimmons>jimm: It does.
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03:16<jimm>once I install the nvidia kernel, would I reboot into it?
03:16<jimm>or is it just one or more additional modules?
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03:17<jimm>I see that nothing additional is in /boot
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03:17<jimm>so I currently presume it's an additional module or three
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03:17<jimm>wish me luck... this crashed me before...
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03:18<jimm>heyyy! no crashy!
03:18<whackblattbaby>did you read the factoid?
03:19<jimm>whether I did or did not, still the question is forward... perhaps if you were to assume I did read it, you might surmise the factoid does not answer that particular question
03:20<jimm>(or you could just read it to see what it does or does not say)
03:20<Spee_Der>Well, I'm burning dvd # 3... dang thing is sure slow, hope this works....
03:20<jimm>but having said all that, the nvidia module does load
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03:20<whackblattbaby>i don't know if for etch there is a prebuilt nvidia kernel module, or if you must use module assistant to make one
03:20<fxiny>ahhhh : i've finished to clone my system . mving boot in its own ext2 partition and all left (swap included) LUKS powered ;)
03:21<jimm>and I didn't reboot, and nothing extra is installed into /boot... that does answer the question
03:21<whackblattbaby>looks like its prebuilt
03:21<jimm>whackblattbaby, for 486 kernel, it is built
03:21<whackblattbaby>if there's a 486 one then there should be for other kernels too
03:22<whackblattbaby>apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |egrep -ri 686 |less
03:22<jimm>tried when I was running an amd64 kernel on this same machine
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03:22<jimm>crashed HARD
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03:25<jimm>ljdsfljk
03:26<jimm>ok, I'm running 5the driver and it'ooks better but now my console is screwed
03:26<jimm>mostly red with a green band on centerleft
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03:27<jimm>brb
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03:28<jim_>ok, that's a little better
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03:29<jim_>can I install flash in such a way that it's easy to turn on and off?
03:29<fxiny>some iceweasel extension ?
03:29<jim_>maybe I want a shell command like no-mo-flash-yo
03:30<fxiny>it's called flashblock
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03:34<jim_>very good... flashplugin-nonfree works
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03:38<jim_>how do I get glxgears?
03:38<gsimmons>jim_: It's part of the 'mesa-utils' package.
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03:38<jim_>thanks
03:38<streuner>!+tell jim_ -about search
03:38<dpkg>told jim_ about search.
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03:40<streuner>apis:/home/user# apt-cache search glxgears
03:40<streuner>mesa-utils - Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities
03:41<jim_>how do you tell glxgears to output its statistics?
03:41<jim_>(and before suggesting the man page, why don't you try it)
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03:41<jim_>I also tried -?, -h, --help
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03:42<AbsintheSyringe>I got this new "mini laptop" it doenst have cdrom, I wanna install testing via usb but I can't find proper link
03:42<jim_>presumably, that means that the guy maintaining glxgears is aware of the problem... question: how long has he been aware?
03:43<AbsintheSyringe>anyone mind to link me?
03:43<jim_>glxgears has been around for at least 3 years
03:43<streuner>!rube goldberg install
03:43<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
03:43<streuner>AbsintheSyringe: /msg dpkg ig
03:45<jim_>AbsintheSyringe: you'll have to find a cable that provides the laptop with a net connection... alternatively you could remove the hd, attach it to a machine that has a net connection, install to that, then put the drive back
03:45<AbsintheSyringe>jim_, actually that was my original plan
03:45<AbsintheSyringe>tnx guys
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03:46<jim_>be SURE to do any attaching/detaching with the power OFF
03:46<streuner>!listvals http://d-i.pascal.at/
03:46<dpkg>Factoid search of 'http://d-i.pascal.at/' by value (1): usb-install.
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03:46<streuner>!usb-install
03:46<dpkg>i heard usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian
03:47<fxiny>you can stick a netinst in your usb and let grub booting it
03:47<fxiny>i've used a iomega zip and a grub floppy on a old box
03:47<gsimmons>jim_: glxgears -printfps
03:47<streuner>AbsintheSyringe: How about a extern CDROM?
03:47<jim_>thanks
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03:48<jim_>maybe same issue if ext cdrom is attached by usb: does bios support usb boot?
03:48<AbsintheSyringe>streuner, don't have any extra cdrom laying around, and this one is so small that it didn't come with one :)
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03:49<streuner>AbsintheSyringe: what model?
03:49<streuner>AbsintheSyringe: (laptop)
03:50<AbsintheSyringe>streuner, asus eee
03:50<fxiny>AbsintheSyringe: hd install then . grub can boot netinst iso
03:50<fxiny>no need for cd drive
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03:51<AbsintheSyringe>yea
03:51<AbsintheSyringe>here's a nice find
03:51<AbsintheSyringe>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install
03:51<jim_>gsimmons, that was it, thanks... so I guess I have nv glx now :)
03:51<jim_>1115 fps even :)
03:51<Katya>hi all
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03:51<all>hi
03:52<Katya>i have a mozilla problem
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03:52<Katya>well i am an arab.. and i'd like to read an in-arabic site
03:53<Katya>the issue is that i cant make the encoding stay on what i selected
03:53<Guest259>so you can get it there temporarily?
03:53<Katya>and i told mozilla about my default encoding.. however it's now working by what i told it
03:54<Katya>every time i click a page there i have to change the encoding
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03:54<samavb>hi can anyone tell me how to take out this kde wallet thing?
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03:55<Katya>Guest252, that is to read it the page correctly
03:55<Katya>ok jim
03:55<devil>samavb: you could try to remove it, if you do not use it
03:55<samavb>how do i remove it ?
03:56<samavb>it is irritating
03:56<Katya>use synaptic
03:56<devil>samavb: but please use -s option first to see if it wants to remove other kde stuff
03:56<devil>samavb: like: apt-get remove --purge kwalletmanager -s
03:56<devil>samavb: and look at whats to be removed
03:56<Katya>so regarding my problem.. do u have a clue?
03:57<Katya>on google it seems affected by the options i gave
03:57<jim>no... I'm having problems understanding utf-8 which I don't personally need
03:57<valdyn>Katya: firefox or the icemonkey browser?
03:58<Katya>heh
03:58<Katya>ice
03:58<valdyn>Katya: or whatever its called..
03:58<Katya>yeah u r rt
03:58<jim>IceFishHead!
03:58<Katya>LOL!
03:58<fxiny>icewilly :P
03:59<Katya>i just dont understand the meaning of the change in the names!
03:59<Katya>iceDik
03:59<valdyn>Katya: where are you changing the settings? in the preferences window?
03:59<Katya>LOL!
03:59<Katya>yes in the prefs window
03:59<jim>some legal thing between debian and netscape
03:59<Katya>yeah ok jim
04:00<jim>netscape said debian had to do _______ (put something there) if debian called it firefox
04:00<jim>something like that
04:00<valdyn>Katya: that saves settings just fine.
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04:00<Katya>yes
04:00<valdyn>Katya: i.e. i just switched iso to utf-8 as default and that worked accross a restart
04:01<valdyn>Katya: isnt that your issue?
04:01<Katya>valdyn, but the page accessing is a windows-* encoding
04:01<valdyn>Katya: give the url
04:01<valdyn>Katya: maybe the site is broken..
04:02<Katya>now the issue is that every time i go to a page on that site i must set the same encoding again
04:02<valdyn>Katya: websites need to explicitely set the encoding, if they dont do that, your browser may have a hard time guessing
04:02<Katya>it just asks for the english encoding
04:02<valdyn>Katya: give the url.
04:02<Katya>yeah you could be right
04:02<Katya>ok
04:02<samavb>my issue is everytime i open kopete i am asked for password for kde walltet and kde wallet is not installed in frist place i dont know how to get rid of this
04:03<Katya>http://vb.6arab.net/forumdisplay.php?f=19
04:03<samavb>i used that command given to me
04:03<samavb>but it is not installed in first place but i dont know how it is still asking me for password whenever i used kopete
04:03<Katya>samavb, u have then to config kopete
04:03<valdyn>windows-1256
04:03<valdyn>works fine so far
04:03<samavb>how do i do it?
04:03<Katya>yeah
04:04<Katya>valdyn, yeah
04:04<samavb>there is nothing related to kde wallet service in kopete
04:04<Katya>click some where there
04:04<valdyn>Katya: ok, _my_ iceape switched to that autmagically
04:04<Katya>some link refering to the site
04:04<Katya>mine doesnt
04:04<valdyn>Katya: some forum entry?
04:05<valdyn>Katya: yea, hold on, i need to switch my proxy off probably, it does bugfixes
04:05<samavb>are u there devil?
04:05<Katya>ah ok
04:05<Katya>maybe yes i have to config the squid
04:05<valdyn>Katya: squid doesnt do that
04:06<fxiny>valdyn: view > character encoding > autodetect ?
04:06<valdyn>Katya: its not to blame, it doesnt patch sites
04:06<Katya>doesnt it force the encoding?
04:06<Katya>ok
04:06<Katya>nevermind
04:06<fxiny>or just utf-8 ?
04:06<devil>samavb: apt-cache policy kwalletmanager < what does that say for: installed:
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04:06<Katya>i'll see
04:06<valdyn>Katya: autodetect should be switched off
04:06<Katya>ok
04:07<valdyn>Katya: could that have been your issue?
04:07<samavb>devil it is not installed
04:07<devil>samavb: that is strange
04:07<samavb>still it asked me for password whenever i open kde wallet service demon
04:07<Katya>maybe
04:07<samavb>it is kde wallet service daemon
04:07<valdyn>Katya: proper sites have the encoding embedded in the code, no use for autodetection
04:08<Katya>ok
04:08<valdyn><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1256" />
04:08<Katya>i am a web programmer.. but that made me sick
04:09<devil>samavb: sure it asks for a password when you open it
04:09<jim>du you tried openacs (a web toolkit)?
04:09<Katya>still the same problem
04:10<Katya>yeah u are right the encoding must be set on the site
04:10<valdyn>Katya: dont use the proxy if you but, but still mozilla does this just fine by default, so im slightly confused by your issue
04:10<samavb>so how do i avoid that?
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04:10<samavb>how to stop that kde service daemon from asking me password?
04:11<samavb>neither it exists in services
04:11<samavb>nor it is installed
04:11<samavb>it is running along with kopete
04:11<samavb>for the passwords
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04:11<samavb>there is no option for that in settings of kopete either
04:11<samavb>dont know where to find it
04:11<samavb>to remove it
04:11<whackblattbaby>dpkg -P kwalletmanager
04:12<samavb>it is kde wallet service daemon .....
04:12<samavb>not kwallet manager is not installed
04:12<samavb>it is kde wallet service daemon .....
04:12<devil>samavb: the daemon wont be there by itself
04:12<samavb>yes it is running with kopete
04:12<samavb>whenever i use kopete
04:13<samavb>it is asking me for kde wallet service daemon password
04:13<samavb>i dont want it to ask me for that password
04:13<whackblattbaby>use kcontrol to turn of wallet option
04:14<devil>well, thats a good idea
04:14<samavb>where is kcontrol?
04:14<samavb>i am using gnome
04:15<whackblattbaby>install it first
04:16<streuner>gnome-control-center then
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04:17<valdyn>samavb: kopete is a kde app, you'll have a hard time changing settings without kcontrol installed
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04:18<devil>...and installing kcontrol will pull half of kde
04:18<whackblattbaby>its kwallet option, under security section i think
04:19<whackblattbaby>devil: no, if already running kopte, he already has it
04:19<valdyn>running kde apps in gnome isnt clean for sure
04:19<devil>whackblattbaby: kopete brings kcontrol?
04:19<samavb>yes you r rright kde components in gnome
04:19<whackblattbaby>kde components but not kcontrol
04:20<samavb>but what to do ? kopete supports webcam feature
04:20<devil>whackblattbaby: well, i would not know, i use kde anyways
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04:20<samavb>pidgin is not
04:20<samavb>so i had to install kopete for that
04:20<devil>samavb: amnsn maybe?
04:20<devil>amsn
04:20<samavb>amsn is only hotmail ?
04:20<samavb>or
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04:20<samavb>others too?
04:20<samavb>i mean yahoo, gmail
04:20<devil>samavb: all i know is it supports cam
04:20<samavb>yeah but does it support yahoo ?
04:21<whackblattbaby>god that's sad if its gotten to the point where someone should be afraid to run a kde app because they use gnome desktop
04:21<whackblattbaby>fwiw kopete is one of the better multi-im clients out there
04:21<samavb>yes
04:21<samavb>kopete is good without kwallet service daemon...
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04:22<whackblattbaby>but the kde wallet thing is a piece of crap. turn it off in kcontrol and kopete willl still remember passwords
04:22<whackblattbaby>but no constant prompts for them
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04:27<samavb>after turning it off in kcontrol ...if i uninstall kcontrol then will it cause any problems? it should b fine then?
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04:27<valdyn>samavb: fine
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04:28<jim>if you continue to live, I guess it's ok!
04:28<valdyn>samavb: im not sure why kcontrol being installed bothers you though
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04:28<valdyn>samavb: the bother is that any kde app relies on the kde daemons
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04:29<whackblattbaby>kde vs. gnome daemons. sounds esoteric
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04:29<whackblattbaby>honestly though, if you look at top, those daemons normally use minimal resources
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04:30<valdyn>whackblattbaby: agreed, i just dont like the slow startup times on the first run of a kde app
04:30<samavb>ok i have kcontrol now infront of me
04:30<samavb>how do i turn off kwallet ?
04:30<whackblattbaby>i see a kded using <1% CPU and memory
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04:31<whackblattbaby>valdyn: i just pretend its part of the app
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04:32<whackblattbaby>samavb: its there somewhere. maybe under security section
04:32<jim>does abyone use rme hammerfall hdsp?
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04:33<valdyn>!anyone use
04:33<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
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04:33<samavb>under security and privacy there is crypto and privacy but there is no sign of kwallet here
04:33<evilbelgian>hi guys how can i make my debian pc visible on a windows network
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04:33<jim>and I didn't say "anyone" now did I? :P
04:34<jim>I'm looking for anecdotal evidence that the stuff is worth buying
04:35<valdyn>evilbelgian: you mean you want to access network shares?
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04:35<jim>as it is pretty expensive stuff
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04:35<whackblattbaby>samavb: oh you might need to temporarily install kwalletmanager to see the option again
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04:36<cahoot>jim: http://pd.klingt.org/files/hdsp-howto.html - according to google
04:36<jim>cahoot: that has people talking about how they like the stuff?
04:36<jim>that's all I'm asking for right now
04:38<jim>brb, I just kdized
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04:39<samavb>hurraayyy ....thanks whack
04:40<samavb>eureka.....
04:40<samavb>it worked...
04:40<samavb>that option appeared only when kwallet manager was installed
04:40<samavb>thanks
04:40<cahoot>jim: I'd suggest to ask in #lad (freenode.net)
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04:40<samavb>ok one small question
04:41<samavb>where do i find themes?
04:41<samavb>nice glossy and beautiful themes for ubuntu studio
04:41<samavb>i saw in youtube... people were having wonderful desktop wall papers while using compiz ..i want to do the same
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04:41<whackblattbaby>ask in #ubuntu
04:41<samavb>where is that?
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04:42<whackblattbaby>another channel
04:42<whackblattbaby>use /join #ubuntu
04:42<cahoot>try freenode
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04:43<whackblattbaby>you can use apt-cache search to search for stuff
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05:17<jim>now that I finally got an nvidia to work what can I do... can I run compiz fusion?
05:17<AbsintheSyringe>jim, sure
05:18<jim>ok, if I have etch, what do I do... install a binary .deb? build it? into a package?
05:18<AbsintheSyringe>jim, I wrote a post on how to do it on testing http://foolcontrol.org/?p=151
05:18<AbsintheSyringe>but it's pretty much the same thing
05:19<jim>how to do it, ok... but which part? install a binary .deb? build it? into a package?
05:19<jim>hmm, funny, seems like I've been here before...
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05:20<AbsintheSyringe>heh
05:20<jim>so, what does your post tell me how to do?
05:20<AbsintheSyringe>jim, put shames resps
05:20<AbsintheSyringe>get compiz fusion from those same resps
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05:21<AbsintheSyringe>that's it, I don't know what problems you'll have on nvidia cards
05:21<jim>the binary? do I build it?
05:21<jim>which?
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05:21<jim>I'm looking to see what I'm in for before I even go to the first web site :)
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05:21<Nemoder>sudo echo "deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/osrdebian stable compiz-fusion-git" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
05:22<jim>ok, so there are packages
05:22<AbsintheSyringe>jim, http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11
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05:25<Nemoder>oh compiz fusion is officially in lenny now, didn't notice
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05:25<jim>Err http://download.tuxfamily.org stable/compiz-fusion-git Packages
05:25<jim> 404 Not Found
05:25<Nemoder>deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-etch/desktopfx/stable/ ./
05:25<Nemoder>try that that instead
05:26<AbsintheSyringe>Nemoder, the one from official debian resps is not so good, I preffer shames
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05:27<Nemoder>yeah I imagine lenny won't get fixes very quickly for it
05:27<Nemoder>I don't use it all the time though so I don't mind testing lenny's version
05:27<jim>the no_pubkey is pretty much ignorable for a minute?
05:28<AbsintheSyringe>I'm trying to switch to use it full time
05:28<AbsintheSyringe>jim, wget http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/A42A6CF5.gpg -O- | apt-key add - ?
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05:30<jim>ok, brb
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05:35<jim>ok, installd abuncha packages... now how I make it goooo?
05:36<jim>compiz fusion thingy that is
05:38<jim>I did apt-get install kde kdm before
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05:40<AbsintheSyringe>fire up konsole
05:40<AbsintheSyringe>compiz --replace
05:43<denis_>hi there, i am running ubuntu gutsy on a dell inspiron, and wanted to connect my SAMSUNG GSM phone through USB, without any success so far. I tried some of the phone software in ubuntu, but see there's a lot of problems. I also used virtual box, installing XP in it, but the software delivered by SAMSUNG sucks big time!!! Anyone knows how to access your phone through USB?
05:44<gsimmons>!tell denis_ -about ubuntu
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05:46<denis_>there's no one in the ubuntu channel, so i thought i post it here, since ubuntu is based on debian?
05:46<AbsintheSyringe>go to irc.freenode.org #ubuntu
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05:47<gsimmons>denis_: You'd want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, not OFTC.
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06:12<knoppix_>kerdanne
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06:13<EmleyMoor>kerwhatte?
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06:18<pir4>hello, i have 3 main problems on my ubuntu desktop. everytime i close my laptop screen i cannot use the keyboard anymore
06:19<EmleyMoor>This is not Ubuntu
06:19<pir4>you are right! :p
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06:43<meandtheshel1>hi folks, I am looking for some command line utility to transform a .doc into .pdf - any hints?
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06:50<suiside>meandtheshel1: doc2pdf ?
06:50<EmleyMoor>antiword -a papersize
06:51<EmleyMoor>Yes, antiword will do it
06:51<Gekz>what about .docx
06:51<meandtheshel1>I see
06:51<Gekz>:p
06:51<meandtheshel1>suiside: I did not found doc2pdf - which package contains it? I tried apt-file search doc2pdf as well but found nothing ...
06:52*meandtheshel1 tries antiword
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06:53<Plokko>hi
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06:53<Plokko>how i can integrate realtech lan drivers on debian installation to make a net install???
06:54<EmleyMoor>Plokko: Are you saying the Debian install system doesn't have a driver for your card?
06:54<Plokko>yes
06:55<Plokko>i've a compaq 6720s
06:55<EmleyMoor>OK - and what exactly is the LAN chipset in it?
06:55<Plokko>mmmh i don't remember wail
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06:55<Plokko>but it's a realtech
06:56<EmleyMoor>Most of them are supported by the install system
06:56<Plokko>k
06:56<Plokko>omg no realtek
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06:56<Plokko>intel 82562gt
06:56<EmleyMoor>Anything relatively common will be - sometimes it's a case of knowing what it is
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06:57<Plokko>but i need to make a disk with the drivers?
06:57<EmleyMoor>Plokko: It seems it could be your BIOS that's at fault - there's an ACPI problem
06:58<Plokko>with acpi enabled debian find the cdrom,without it it won't install
06:58<EmleyMoor>This is not Debian specific... http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=38799
06:58<meandtheshel1>suiside: you meant http://doc2pdf.sourceforge.net/ - no?
06:59<Plokko>already updated
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07:00<Plokko>also i have problems with wifi
07:00<Plokko>i tryed with ndiswrapper
07:00<Plokko>and it freezed mouse and audio
07:00<EmleyMoor>Plokko: One suggestion is to use a more recent kernel
07:01<Plokko>so not debian????
07:01<Plokko>T_T
07:01<EmleyMoor>Yes Debian but it's not Debian's problem
07:01<Plokko>debian 4.0 r2
07:01<EmleyMoor>Try installing lenny using an installer with a later kernel
07:02<Plokko>lenny is really unstable or semi stable?
07:02<EmleyMoor>I advise that that is "testing" rather than "stable" though
07:02<Plokko>so it will crash?
07:02<EmleyMoor>It's far from "stable" but it's not "unstable"
07:02<Plokko>mmmh
07:02<EmleyMoor>It *might*
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07:02<EmleyMoor>On occasions I have had to use testing, it's been fine but YMMV
07:02<Plokko>also i have a problem with my wifi
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07:03<EmleyMoor>I had one machine on testing and allowed it to follow that release into stable - it's been stable ever since
07:03<EmleyMoor>I'd get your other stuff fixed first before worrying about wifi
07:03<Plokko>ook
07:03<EmleyMoor>I do have another machine still on testing
07:03<Plokko>but only 1 thing
07:03<Plokko>if i use x86_64 debian
07:04<Plokko>will i have problems with ndiswrapper?
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07:04<EmleyMoor>Plokko: I don't know anything about x86_64 - though I would say it might cause problems
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07:05<gsimmons>Plokko: ndiswrapper also supports x86-64, but YMMV with respect to your wireless device's NDIS driver.
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07:05<gsimmons>Plokko: A similar issue regarding your laptop was reported in bug #463668. The workaround is to provide an updated e1000 driver.
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07:05<Plokko>i tried with a sis card(totally uncompatibile with linux so it's hard to tell if on 32 work)and didn't work
07:06<Plokko>to download lenny i should download only the net install cd?i usually download the dvd but it's hudge
07:06*EmleyMoor is about to try some more of the games on his system - just to be sure they don't crash the machine as some have
07:06<EmleyMoor>A net install CD, IF your card works, is adequate
07:07<Plokko>...i want download it to try if cad works
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07:10<Plokko>can't find lenny download page
07:10<gsimmons>!lenny iso
07:10<dpkg>To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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07:11<Plokko>thanks
07:11<Plokko>i think lenny is stable as some other non debian linux distro
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07:13<Plokko>ah you know if celeron m 530 (menrom)have VT extension???
07:14<petemc>cat /proc/cpuinfo
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07:14<Plokko>no linux lol XD
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07:16<SeveredCross>CPU-Z is your friend.
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07:17<brunokrebs>How is that possible, when I plug the microfone in nmy computer it does not works, but when I use headphones in the place of the microphone it works???
07:18<brunokrebs>and I tried 2 diferent microfones, and both works in other computers
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07:23<suiside>meandtheshel1: that's for windows, used to be a linux application around with the same name but it seems it has been taken down, office2pdf seems similar to that which you posted an url to though
07:23<meandtheshel1>suiside: ok
07:25<suiside>no deps available though
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07:29<brunokrebs>nobody have any idea?
07:29<brunokrebs>why does the headphone works in the place of the microphone and the micrphone does not works?
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07:30<ehabh11>sdaf
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07:41<enouf>brunokrebs: some werd bios params for 5.1/6.1/7.1 surround crapola likely
07:42<enouf>onboard audio needs to be shot, and then beaten with a stick (but then, so do many other things)
07:43<enouf>2 ears == 2 audio tracks == Stereo \o/
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07:46<meda>Does the Debian Weekly News mailinglist still exisits?
07:46<petemc>i dont think so
07:47<fxiny>enouf: :))
07:47<enouf>fxiny: @_@
07:49<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh 2 swirls are better then one :)
07:49<enouf>meda: there's http://times.debian.net and http://debian-new.net though
07:49<meda>enouf: Thank you.
07:49<enouf>meda: there's http://times.debian.net and http://debian-news.net <--corrected
07:49<meda>Which was the last tool you discovered?
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07:50<enouf>meda: i don't really use it for that - i'm always finding new toys though, through word of mouth and stuff ;-)
07:50<brunokrebs>enouf, sorry, I dont get it
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07:51<brunokrebs>why is microphones not working when headphones work for them?
07:51<enouf>brunokrebs: i don't either really, not much actual experience with that stuff, but i know mainboard setups pretty well
07:51<enouf>and the games they play
07:52<brunokrebs>hmmm
07:52<brunokrebs>ok
07:52<enouf>brunokrebs: check your Motherboard Manual
07:52<enouf>brunokrebs: check your BIOS settings from info you read
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07:53<enouf>brunokrebs: do "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" in your irc client
07:53<cahoot>brunokrebs: maybe this can be of some help: http://home.cfl.rr.com/infofiles/record.html
07:53<brunokrebs>nah but makes no sense, like this, I used to have windows, and it worked fine the microphones, and then I put ubuntu and it also worked fine
07:53<brunokrebs>but now with debian
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07:53<brunokrebs>only when I plug headphones in the place of the microphone it works
07:54<brunokrebs>when I put microphones in the place of microphones it does not work
07:54<brunokrebs>makes no sens at all
07:54<enouf>ok, so that tells me not only does windows do things incorrectly, but ubuntu does too ;-)
07:54<fxiny>must be some antipodian australian mainboard :P
07:55<brunokrebs>no debian does things incorrectly, how does it recognize a headphone as a microphone and not a microphone as a microphone
07:55<enouf>fxiny: i bet it's some Skype bullshit issue :-p
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07:55<fxiny>enouf: heheheheh
07:55<NyteRukh>hi
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07:57<meda>Since last week I only got Segmentation Faults in Quake Wars just right after I joined a game.
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07:59<fxiny>enouf: i've cloned my system to encrpyted partitions , boot in ext2 : LUKS damned leet when booting ;)
07:59<fxiny>hard work
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08:00<meda>Can I join two mbox files with cat a.mbox b.mbox > c.mbox? Or will this mess up some things?
08:01<enouf>fxiny: yeah - gotta keep the man out of our stash ;-0
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08:02<enouf>meda: not sure, i don't do mail, make copies and try it on them
08:03<fxiny>enouf: i'm checking io performances cause i want to secure this rusty box as well
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08:03<ali>selam millet
08:03<ali>hi everybody
08:03<fxiny>enouf: i used scrub to fill partitions up
08:04<enouf>fxiny: sure, encrypt will certainly have a perf hit
08:04<enouf>hrm..
08:04<NyteRukh>im having a problem and cant figure out..can one of you all help....i can not connect to the internet..with debian linux...trying to go thru a hub and it wont work...and i disconnnected the hub and plugged right into the cable modem still no go
08:04<enouf>NyteRukh: ok, leave the hub out of it
08:04<ali>dallamalar kesin lan þamatayý
08:04<ali>hii
08:04<ali>:)
08:04<valdyn>"The attacker won't gain root, access, if there is no such user.", some HOWTO writes should be shot
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08:05<enouf>NyteRukh: can you pastebin output of /sbin/ifconfig -a ?
08:05<NyteRukh>i still cant connect to the internet with out the hub.i pluged right into the cable modem and it wont connec
08:05<enouf>valdyn: wow
08:05<enouf>NyteRukh: can you hear me?
08:06<enouf>er see my text?
08:06<NyteRukh>yes
08:06<NyteRukh>no
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08:06<enouf>Welcome to my wonderful b0z0 box ;-) 08:02:32] Ignoring NyteRukh!* ... what a relief!
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08:07<NyteRukh>i did take out the modem..and still wont connect to the internet..so its not the hub or my nic card
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08:08<fxiny>valdyn: what user ? the "missing in action" ubuntu root user ? :P
08:09<fxiny>enouf: :P
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08:09<valdyn>fxiny: thats in the title of a howto on creating a chroot environment
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08:11<fxiny>valdyn: a chroot ? i have this irssi jailed . done long ago , step by step , still proud of it . . yes i run a non existent user via a wrapper .
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08:12<valdyn>fxiny: protecting a system by deleting the root user is stupid, silly, useless
08:12<valdyn>fxiny: that was my point.
08:12<fxiny>valdyn: i totally agree
08:15<fxiny>valdyn: i like playing with chroot , vservers and now LUKS : great fun. i don't even think to run a box where root has been deleted
08:16<fxiny>next i'll have a go with xen and then hopefully selinux
08:17<NyteRukh>ok...that question was answered by the inet company
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08:18<fxiny>chrooting make sense : a tar.bz2 can be handy
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08:35<walber_>Hi
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08:37<walber_>I don't obtain modify a houer
08:37<walber_>[
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08:39<walber_>I don't can't modify a hour with hwclock
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08:41<walber_>appear this msg error. select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
08:42<fxiny>Gekz: are you in ?
08:42<Gekz>huh?
08:42<fxiny>Gekz: new wmare avaiable
08:42<Gekz>oh nice
08:42<fxiny>vm*
08:42<Gekz>thanks for the heads up
08:42<Gekz>:)
08:42<fxiny>1.4 something
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08:44<fxiny>Gekz: 1.0.4-56528 . i think is the one you want
08:44<cahoot>walber_: known bug, might need/try give --directisa as option
08:44<Gekz>fxiny: whats new?
08:45<fxiny>Gekz: it says web management interface
08:45<Gekz>kk
08:45<walber_>Cahoot. With --directisa
08:45<walber_>but
08:46<fxiny>i need to install new *6* headers
08:47<cahoot>walber_: better keep it in channel, more and better brains than mina available
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08:53<walber_>when use hwclock --directisa a hour modify only in terminal but in X not update
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08:57<walber_>cahoot, any suggestion?
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08:57<cahoot>restart X?
08:58<walber_>restart X hes lose a hour
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09:00<walber_>I can add one script in boot with command hwclock -directisa for up with system!
09:00<@weasel>walber_: erm.
09:01<cahoot>there already is a hwclock script in /etc/init.d
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09:01<@weasel>walber_: why not simply add HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" to /etc/default/rcS?
09:01<@weasel>walber_: or is that too simple?
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09:02<walber_>yes
09:02<@weasel>never mind then
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09:04<hendry>i am not sure how cron is configured on debian. in the past successful cron jobs where mailed to my mail spool (i think), though that's happening anymore on my unstable system. any tips to configure cron to send mails when it does stuff?
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09:07<@weasel>hendry: fix your MTA.
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09:08<walber_>tank's weasel and cahoot
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09:12<hendry>weasel: exim delivers mail (smarthost config). i wonder where cron is sending them.
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09:13<@weasel>hendry: to whoever's crontab it is.
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09:14<fxiny>cron ? sends unless your crontab line ends with > /dev/null 2>&1 . any procmailrc missing ?
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09:14<fxiny>or some exim panic ? is it running ?
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09:14<hendry>hmm, i think it's delivering to hendry@x61.webvm.net, which isn't right/valid. I guess I need to exim for local mails or something.
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09:15<fxiny> use procmail
09:15<fxiny>ops
09:16<hendry>fxiny: i think this is a MTA config issue ...
09:16<fxiny>hendry: yes , my bad
09:16<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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09:28<hujung>hi all, need little help for declaration/initialization of nested arrays in 'C' ...
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09:29<valdyn>hujung: /topic
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09:30<[Dark-Star]>has neone tried to run torrent tracker on debian ?
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09:31<valdyn>!anyone
09:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:32<valdyn>hendry: dpkg-reconfigure cron should prompt for the mail destination iirc
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09:34<[Dark-Star]>well lets c i have tried for about 2 weeks now to get snakebite to run on debian but NO LUCK. so i waz wondering fi there waz another web tracker progy for debian
09:34<valdyn>hendry: if your mta is configured that it doesnt know that local mail is local and forwards it to a smart host then you wont see it most likely, especially not if the local domain ( @debian.home or whatever ) isnt overwritten in the FROM: field
09:34<@weasel>[Dark-Star]: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
09:34<@weasel>[Dark-Star]: it's "see", not "c". and it's "was", not "was".
09:34<fxiny>snakebite ?
09:34<fxiny>hmmm
09:35<valdyn>!ne1
09:35<dpkg>There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s)
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09:35<valdyn>ops
09:35<@weasel>tna
09:35<@weasel>erm
09:35<@weasel>thanks
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09:35<[Dark-Star]>snakebite is a torrent tracker writte in python2.3 for debian but it will not install
09:36<petemc>was not was, interesting band
09:36<valdyn>!listkeys wud
09:36<dpkg>Factoid search of 'wud' by key (5): xwud ;; _default wud ;; wud ;; #debian wud ;; wudda.
09:36<@weasel>[Dark-Star]: the bittorrent package comes with bttrack.
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09:36<[Dark-Star]>do you know it it has a web ui as well with the ability to be a private tracker with user/pass
09:37*weasel shakes head and moves on
09:37<Picko>hi
09:37<[Dark-Star]>well im a win32 user for 11yrs and only started with linuz
09:37<[Dark-Star]>well im a win32 user for 11yrs and only started with linux for about 2 weeks now
09:38<fxiny>11 ? what have you done ? caught doing rob service ? :P
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09:38<valdyn>[Dark-Star]: why dont you just use azureus?
09:39<[Dark-Star]>it sucks
09:39<fxiny>sucks ? use rtorrent then
09:39<valdyn>[Dark-Star]: why does it? what do you need?
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09:39<valdyn>fxiny: that is not a tracker
09:39<fxiny>valdyn: ohhh yes
09:39<valdyn>fxiny: hmm?
09:40<ranix>the answer you are looking for
09:40<ranix>is torrentflux
09:40-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
09:40<[Dark-Star]>i tring to setup a torrent server with a tracker so i can do away with my private ftp and take a little bit of the load of my bandwidth
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09:40<ranix>I believe it tracks
09:40<fxiny>valdyn: yes , is not a tracker :)
09:40<ranix>let me check
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09:40<valdyn>[Dark-Star]: sounds like you may want to look into the apache bt mod
09:40<ranix>nevermind, torrentflux is only a client
09:41<arguapacha>Hi! Anyone knows how to download / configure the kernel sources to use vmware?
09:41<fxiny>headers . you want headers
09:41<valdyn>arguapacha: not at all
09:41<valdyn>arguapacha: only need headers
09:41<weasel>arguapacha: erm. why would you need to do that?
09:41<ranix>apt-get install build-essential linux-kernel headers
09:41<ranix>ehr
09:41<ranix>linux-kernel-headers
09:42<valdyn>stop
09:42<valdyn>ranix: no!
09:42<ranix>wtf y
09:42<fxiny>why build essential ?
09:42<valdyn>arguapacha: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
09:42<ranix>because you need to compile stuff
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09:42<valdyn>arguapacha: installing build-essential is never bad, probably not required
09:42<fxiny>nope . you just run a pl
09:43<themill>valdyn: it would be required in this case.
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09:43<fxiny>maybe a symlink :P
09:43<valdyn>themill: just gcc+make would suffice, no?
09:43<fxiny>we'll see if he comes back for it :P
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09:44<themill>valdyn: probably... libc6-dev as well quite possibly
09:44<valdyn>themill: that would be funny method to compile a kernel module
09:44<fxiny>well a box without gcc+ is like that one without root :P
09:45<fxiny>valdyn: ^^ :))
09:45<ranix>this yamipod program is nice
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09:45<themill>valdyn: I'm taking a guess that the rest of vmware tools will be on his todo list though
09:45<ranix>drop songs on the ipod from linux
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09:45<ranix>good stuff
09:45<valdyn>themill: ah, I didnt know that those ship with source
09:46<fxiny>there is a new vmware 1.4 + web interface . not installed yet
09:46<fxiny>too busy with LUKS
09:47<themill>valdyn: I thought so... too long since I've played with vmware though. I just find that it's just easier to tell people now to install b-e and be done with it so that when they come back wanting to a sid backport or similar they don't have a "gcc can't build executables" error :)
09:47<valdyn>themill: agreed
09:48<arguapacha>sorry for the delay... I installed linux-headers virtual package, but vmware still complains that there is no linux/version.h file
09:48<ranix>I have vmware on a debian machine at work, but in the future I will probably be using qemu
09:48<fxiny>the pl installer will ask for gcc
09:48<valdyn>arguapacha: i told you, its linux-headers-$(uname -r)
09:48<arguapacha>ahh ok
09:48<ranix>why doesn't anyone use grave accent
09:48<ranix>linux-headers`uname -r`
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09:49<fxiny>btw : is virtualbox worth looking at it , comparing to vmware ?
09:50<fxiny>i've seem etch unofficial debs
09:50<fxiny>seen*
09:52<themill>ranix: for the most part, `` is deprecated in favour of $() -- the latter is nestable and more readable. You also don't have problems with smart quotes and other bollox getting in the way.
09:52<arguapacha>thanks!! it worked... now... why doesn't the linux-headers virtual package works? isn't that supposed to be linked with the running kernel?
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09:52<ranix>ah. thanks themill
09:53<valdyn>arguapacha: that package doesnt exist
09:53<valdyn>!info linux-headers
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09:53<valdyn>oo
09:53<sda1>how many images do i need to download for debian?
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09:53<valdyn>sda1: 1
09:53<arguapacha>oohhh I see... thanks
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09:54<arguapacha>use the net install cd!! very nice ^_^
09:55<sda1>ok
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09:55<sda1>is the first iso = netinstall?
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09:56<[Dark-Star]>ok i have removed gnomtorrent and installed bittorrent and apache2-mod but now i can't even download torrent files
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09:57<noflash>sda1, debian.org/CD
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09:57<hendry>is the "avahi-daemon" really neccessary on my system?
09:57<valdyn>hendry: try to remove it
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10:01<nathan_>jupiter1tx: It says the display and graphics card couldn't be configured properly
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10:01<nathan_>Jupiter1tx: And now its in 800x600
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10:01<tzafrir>hi, I have a strange issue with module building:
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10:02<tzafrir>I'm trying to build modules for a new version of zaptel . I have a demi-package to get zaptel-modules packages built inside a pbuilder
10:02<tzafrir>It builds everything with m-a . It builds everything just fine. But I get very strange errors when using the package
10:03<tzafrir>Then I rebuild a local zaptel-modules package on the target computer using the same zaptel-source, and there are no issues
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10:08<arguapacha>Hehe... Hi... Does anyone know how to enable the direct rendering in an ATI Radeon card (after installing the fglrx-* packages)
10:11<arguapacha>hello?
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10:12<Lynoure>arguapacha: sorry, I only use my ati with the free drivers...
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10:13<arguapacha>ok.. no problem... I am not in a hurry... but... there another doubt:
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10:14<arguapacha>Seems I have two installed versions of the kernel: 2.6.18-5 and -6
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10:14<arguapacha>-6 seems to work properly, so how do I uninstall 'properly' -5 version?
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10:21<arguapacha>no idea?
10:21<arguapacha>going to read a bit more then...
10:21<arguapacha>bb
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10:23<rjent_>Greetings, I am looking for hardware that is small enough to screw to a backboad in a comm room that I can netboot systems and I would need 2 nics. Any ideas?
10:23<rjent_>and of course must be able to install debian as os.
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10:25<noflash>!hardware
10:25<dpkg>Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html
10:26<Lynoure>rjent_: Hacom systems first spring into my mind, but there is bound to be something cheaper too. http://shopping.hacom.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_34&products_id=71
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10:28<rjent_>dpkg and Lynoure: thanks for your links. I will investigate.
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10:43<begginer>hello together
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10:45<Cyber-Ghost>any one here ?
10:45<fxiny>not a soul
10:45<sep>none
10:46<Cyber-Ghost>well i am newbie and using debian i need a little help
10:46<Cyber-Ghost>i am running dynamips in debian
10:46<Cyber-Ghost>Modify the settings of your network card to the following settings
10:46<Cyber-Ghost>and the setting are blah blah blah
10:47<Cyber-Ghost>so how can i modify the setting of my eth0 nic ?
10:47<valdyn>!interfaces
10:47<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
10:48<Cyber-Ghost>means i will edit the /etc/network/interfaces ?
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10:49<Cyber-Ghost>valdyn: there ?
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10:50<hyeiuna>hello. i try to install win95 (14 .ima disk images) with qemu. the trick is, that while installing it asks for the next floppy "to insert". but i only have them as images on the disk. now is the question: how do i point the images to /dev/fd0 or vice versa, so the installer thinks the next floppy got inserted?
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10:53<gsimmons>hyeiuna: Switch to the qemu monitor (CTRL+ALT+2), "change fda /path/foo/image.img", switch back to the guest.
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10:54<evilbelgian>does anyone know how big wine is
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10:55<fxiny>a working ~/.wine dir ? less then 100MB
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10:56<evilbelgian>bleh i can't afford that much bandwidth use
10:56<hyeiuna>gsimmons: WTF! i didn't expect to get such a pro within < 1 min! thanks ALOT!
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10:56<fxiny>that is what you install locally not what you download
10:56<hyeiuna>gsimmons: i didnt even expect to get an answer at all1
10:57<evilbelgian>fxiny, do you know how big the download is
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10:58<fxiny>evilbelgian: should be wine and libwine
10:58<fxiny>iirc
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11:00<fxiny>evilbelgian: 654K + 8.4MB
11:00<jose>alguien habla espanol
11:00<jose>?
11:00<evilbelgian>thanks
11:01<fxiny>np
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11:01<fxiny>!es
11:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:21<DaCapn>Anyone know how to change the flash player version reported to a web server by a browser (in particular firefox)?
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11:23<Aleric>DaCapn: use hexdump to change the string in your flashplayer.so ?
11:23<Aleric>It has to fit, of course...
11:23<DaCapn>right
11:24<DaCapn>man... if there's one thing I HATE it's browser/player detection scripts
11:24<DaCapn>Someone goes out of their way to ensure that your browsing experience is ruined if their script doesn't work properly.
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11:34<begginer>hey friends, how can I found out witch linux driver is designed for my wireless card?
11:35<DaCapn>you need to know the chipset of your card, then you can find out if there is a native driver for it. If not, you could use ndiswrapper with the windows version of the driver.
11:36<amphi>!wireless
11:36<dpkg>wireless is, like, The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date.
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11:37<begginer>thanks, I'll try to find out the chipset first!
11:39<amphi>begginer: lspci should tell you what it is
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11:42<begginer>this ist the line that says witch chipset has my card: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
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11:44<amphi>!ipw3945
11:44<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".
11:45<begginer>so the chipset is 3945ABG, the Driver is ipw3945, when I look into lsmod I see it, but how can I see the captured networks, the wireless card is on!
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11:46<amphi>begginer: iwlist <iface> scan
11:46<pumpkin0>begginer: iwlist ethX scan
11:46<amphi>heh
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11:47<begginer>thanks guys for supports, I'm sorry for my dummy questions
11:49<heroxbd>begginer: That's OK. Everyone is once a beginner :)
11:49<xemacs>yes but i read the installation manual
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11:51<heroxbd>xemacs: true... So did I..
11:51<begginer>xemacs, you'r right I'm a little lasy, but my Problem is more then that
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11:52<begginer>I should create a VPN connection to connect to the wireless of the university and I tried to do all instructions on the supportpage of the university but without success
11:53<begginer>now I'm figuring out if the basis instalations of my card really okay on asking you
11:53<heroxbd>A VPN to connect the wireless? What do you mean?
11:54<begginer>I do my best and I search everywhere in the web bevor comming here, I'm kidding nobody
11:55<heroxbd>begginer: That's OK. Go ahead.
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11:55<begginer>thx
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11:56<begginer>we should create a vpn tunnel with the uni-server throug WLAN, so we authenticate with id and password to get access to the web
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11:59<begginer>I mean a PPTP-tunnel
11:59<heroxbd>begginer: You are off campus, and WLAN is not provided by the UNIV?
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12:01<begginer>yes but I should create this connection to use it when I'n on the campus
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12:02<heroxbd>begginer: Then the WLAN and PPTP-tunnel are independent. You handle the two separately
12:03<heroxbd>begginer: Have you successfully gotten the WLAN working?
12:03<begginer>yes
12:03<begginer>now the pptp
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12:07<ubd>hi
12:07<ubd>how will i connect to wireless in xfce
12:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 348] by debhelper
12:09<ubd>in other word how kann man connect to a wireless via terminal
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12:16<klando>http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl
12:16<klando>seems a bit old ....
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12:17<arguapacha>hi! I have two kernel versions installed on my machine (2.6.18-5 and 2.6.18-6)... how do I revert to the -5 version?
12:18<amphi>klando: do you need xgl?\
12:18<klando>amphi, *need* ? no, only for rendering when in front of windows customers ;)
12:19<klando>but I am not aware of compiz xgl aiglx etc.. stuff
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12:19<klando>and was looking for *recent* debian pointers
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12:22<arguapacha>no idea how to revert? I am not sure how did the -6 version installed
12:22<arguapacha>got installed*
12:23<fxiny>why ? 2.6.18-6 is the right version . edit your grub menu.lst if you want to boot 2.6.18-5
12:23<fxiny>but 2.6.18-6 is the correct one
12:25<amphi>klando: what video card and driver are you using?
12:25<arguapacha>yes.. I know... but now I have problems ejecting DVD discs from KDE :(
12:25<fxiny>arguapacha: linux-image-2.6-686 installs 2.6.18-6
12:26<arguapacha>I have to enter as su, do umount and then eject it... can't umount as a normal user
12:26<fxiny>it works fine on my kde box
12:26<arguapacha>:(
12:27<fxiny>why su ? try as user : umount /media/cdrom && eject
12:27<arguapacha>ohh it works :P
12:27<rohit>hi! sudo aint working in etch/lenny
12:28<arguapacha>I though umount was only reserver to su
12:28<fxiny>so you can aptitude purge the 5 version
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12:28<arguapacha>how do I use aptitude?
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12:28<arguapacha>hehehe... I have been using smart since the dawn of times... and still can't get the grip of aptitude
12:29<klando>amphi, Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics with the default intel driver
12:29<fxiny>man aptitude or just type aptitude in a konsole
12:29<rohit>for example : sudo aptitude asks me for password and then does nothing, returns back to normal user
12:29<pablo>aptitude is very similar to apt-get
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12:29<weasel>only slower.
12:29<amphi>klando: no need for xgl with that; xorg intel driver and aiglx
12:29<weasel>and allegedly smarter, tho I never experienced that
12:30<amphi>klando: see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Intel_with_AiGLX for more info
12:30<klando>aiglx so, with kde-compiz (as I am using kde) I hope .
12:30<arguapacha>aptitude open.... should I just do purge and select one option?
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12:32<fxiny>i always use aptitude but only after checking what apt-get says to me :P
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12:32<fxiny>since etch it never failed
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12:33<amphi>klando: I don't know what that package is - it may just be kde-window-decorator
12:33<amphi>klando: I build compiz-fusion from git here
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12:33<klando>s/kde-compiz/compiz-kde/
12:34<klando>compiz-fusion ? is the main project ?
12:34<fxiny>in fact aptude install don't show packages versions and repo
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12:42<begginer>can someone tell me pls how can I found out if my kernel support a MPP-encryption?
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12:45<sharperguy>What kernel should I be using for lenny x86?
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12:47<heroxbd>sharperguy: What are you choosing among?
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12:50<rohit>hi, can anyone help me here? Have a problem with beryl
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12:52<sharperguy>ok I have no idea what I'm doing
12:52<begginer>beryl and debian.. hmm!
12:52<begginer>how can I find out if a Patch into my kernel or not?
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12:53<fxiny>sharperguy: what exactly about x86 is confusing you ?
12:53<sharperguy>I have linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 installed and I need linux-restricted-modules for that kernel
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12:53<sharperguy>but I'm not even sure if I'm meant to be using that kernel
12:53<Torsten_W>sharperguy: linux-restricted-modules is ubuntu, not debian
12:53<sharperguy>ah well whats the equivelent here?
12:53<Torsten_W>there is no equivalent
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12:54<sharperguy>err
12:54<fxiny>W as Werner ?
12:54<sharperguy>well what package should I install to get the nvidia kernel module?
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12:55<fxiny>that reminds me something ...
12:55<fxiny>:))
12:55<Torsten_W>sharperguy: u have tryed apt-cache search nvidia?
12:55<sharperguy>no
12:55<Torsten_W>why not?
12:56<Jjoseph>Apt-cache search is not obvious fora begginer it took me a while to find it.
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12:56<sharperguy>Because I'm not used to doing that :P - anyway I just did and it dosn't seem to have it for this kernel
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12:57<Jjoseph>I searched for packages on the web site for over a year.
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12:57<Torsten_W>sharperguy: then use mudule-assistant to build the modul for your running kernel
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12:58<Torsten_W>module-assistant
12:58<sharperguy>ok ill try
12:58<begginer>!pptp
12:58<dpkg>methinks pptp is Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, or a a very insecure unreliable way to create tunnels. A few unfortunate ISPs use it to provide service on ethernet connected broadband networks. See also http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html
12:59<begginer>!wireless
13:00<dpkg>hmm... wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date.
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13:07<hackdeveto>hello whats up??
13:07<Aleric>WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
13:07<Aleric>How can I update the debian keys?
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13:08<fxiny>which one ?
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13:08<fxiny>multimedia ?
13:08<Aleric>No, the core one
13:08<Aleric>I don't seem to have any
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13:14<fxiny>Aleric: check apt-key list and http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
13:14<fxiny>must be something wrong with your box
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13:21<Aleric>fxiny: It's inside a new chroot, and I found it: I needed to run apt-get update once to get Release.pgp
13:21<fxiny>a new chroot ? doing vserver ?
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13:23<sharperguy>Torsten_W, yay thanks that seems to be working
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13:27<philipp>does some of you know how i have to mix a flying hirsch?
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13:29-!-mode/#debian [+l 342] by debhelper
13:29<fxiny>you want the pub-master-pgp key for that :P
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13:34<panagos>if i want to install the debian fglrx-* packages, should i uninstall first what was installed by the official ATI installer?
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13:42<Aleric>How can I set my default locale permanently to POSIX?
13:42<greg>why wen i install ndiswrapper theres no ndiswrapper module
13:43<greg>?
13:43<greg>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
13:43<Torsten_W>greg: because it was not build?
13:43<greg>debian:~# ndiswrapper
13:43<greg>install/manage Windows drivers for ndiswrapper
13:43<greg>why wasnit built?
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13:44<greg>how do i get it to build?
13:45<Torsten_W>greg: yes, with module-assistant
13:45<Torsten_W>greg: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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13:46<stephane_>hi what's up doc ?
13:47<greg>Torsten_W, http://rafb.net/p/5ZM36l72.html?
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13:49<greg>how do i fix it?
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13:50<VanShiver>hi there
13:50<VanShiver>does someone know if there is a program which can connect to multiple hotspots, so that you always have amaximum connection?
13:51<Torsten_W>greg: taht's not etch, isn't ist?
13:51<Torsten_W>that's
13:51<greg>yea its etch
13:51<Torsten_W>greg: the kernel is not
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13:52<greg>or was etch
13:52<Torsten_W>greg: which ndiswrapper-version this is?
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13:52<greg>utils version: 1.9
13:52<greg>driver modinfo: could not find module ndiswrapper
13:53<Torsten_W>greg: apt-cache policy ndiswrapper-source
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13:54<greg>ndiswrapper-source:
13:54<greg> Installed: 1.51-1
13:54<Torsten_W>hm, the same as in sid, should build against kernel 2.6.22
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13:54<greg>serial monkey's rt61 wouldnt build either
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14:04<panagos>how can i make diff -u give colored output?
14:05<tweber>panagos, pipe it through colordiff
14:05<panagos>aha
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14:08<bernardo>hello debian!
14:08<panagos>how're you doin'!
14:10<DaCapn>... I think he was talking to debian, PANAGOS!
14:10<panagos>DaCapn: i don't see anyone with that nick :P
14:10<DaCapn>heh
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14:12<panagos>yep!
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14:13<bernardo>so.... what's up?
14:13<debian>hey guys did I get any messages?
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14:15<panagos>:/
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14:16<db>tjena stoffe
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14:22<ServerSide>why iceweasel don't allow me to download more than 2 files at the same time? .. that's annoying
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14:32<MaNsOn>salve
14:33<MaNsOn>c'è qualcuno che mi può dare una mano con alcuni problemini?
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14:34<scratch>hi all
14:34-!-Lufkin [~sidney.de@blk-222-147-161.eastlink.ca] has joined #debian
14:34<scratch>who use bootsplash on debian
14:34<scratch>?
14:34<Lufkin>hey i can't get internet on my pc
14:34<Lufkin>can someone help me
14:35<MaNsOn>i need a new nepositorie for my ubuntu 7.10
14:35<MaNsOn>*repositories
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14:35<Lufkin>!ubuntu
14:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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14:36<MaNsOn>sorry
14:36<Lufkin>its ok
14:36<scratch>MaNsOn, from?
14:37<MaNsOn>form italy
14:37<MaNsOn>from naples
14:37<Lufkin>cool
14:37<MaNsOn>i'm a italian boy ya
14:37<MaNsOn>*yea
14:37<MaNsOn>:-D
14:37<Lufkin>i'm from canada
14:37<scratch>i' m from Russia
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14:38<scratch>:)
14:38<MaNsOn>:-D
14:38<Lufkin>is there anyone on here that can help me
14:38<scratch>i need help in debian whith bootsplash (
14:38<MaNsOn>help for?
14:39-!-s0d0 [~john@host81-141-106-185.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #debian
14:39<Lufkin>i can't get internet working on my pc
14:39-!-ubuntu [~ubuntu@189.11.194.171] has joined #debian
14:39<Lufkin>i have debian lenny
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14:39<Ozux>Hi, Any body nows what's the mater with Eolution and SSL?
14:39<scratch>Lufkin, dialup? :)
14:40<Lufkin>no its highspeed
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14:40<Lufkin>it doesn't recognize the card
14:40<Lufkin>its onboard
14:40<Lufkin>and its a real old PC
14:40<Lufkin>Pentium 2
14:40<ubuntu>hello
14:40<Lufkin>intel 82558 i think is the chipset
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14:41<weasel>Lufkin: is that an ISA card?
14:41<Lufkin>ISA?
14:41<weasel>ah, onboard. probably not then.
14:41<weasel>anyway, what does lspci show it as then?
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14:43<Lufkin>intel 82557/8/9 enthernet pro 100
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14:43<weasel>and is the e100 module loaded?
14:43<weasel>or eepro100
14:43<Lufkin>i think
14:43<weasel>don't think.
14:43<tweber>Ozux, what version of evolution? Latest unstable should work again
14:43<weasel>check.
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14:44<Ozux>tweber, 2.12.3-1
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14:46<Lufkin>how do i check
14:46<tweber>Ozux, does http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462959#10 help (upgrade the server packages)
14:46<weasel>Lufkin: lsmod.
14:46<Lufkin>whit the period
14:46<weasel>try it?
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14:48<MaNsOn>can i do an answer?what are the difference between debian and ubuntu?
14:48<Lufkin>so what am i looking for
14:49<MaNsOn>*differences
14:49<DaCapn>MaNsOn www.distrowatch.com
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14:53<Lufkin>for some reason i am getting a 169. ip address
14:53<shivraj>I need gnome 2.2
14:53<shivraj>I think debian installed 2.1.3 .. I need the latest, any help ?
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14:54<xemacs>!backports
14:54<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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14:54<shivraj>xemacs : should I upgrade to lenny ?
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14:55<tweber>shivraj, lenny isn't released. So the answer depends on your needs. Why do you need Gnome 2.2
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14:56<shivraj>tweber : I need the new graphics
14:57<shivraj>tweber : consumerism
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14:58<shivraj>tweber : I am a maverick, I like to live on the edge
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14:58<tweber>shivraj, if you can live without timely security support, lenny might be an option. Just make sure you know what you are getting into
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14:58<tweber>Well, for maverick, there's unstable.
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15:01<shivraj>woo hoo 2.2, I see its gonna install 2.2 wowowo
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15:16<shivraj>asfds
15:16<shivraj>boy this upgrade is taking forever
15:17<shivraj>atleast dl was fast 1MB/sec ... 10Mbps is great
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15:18<alaya>hi, anything other than linux-image-2.6-amd64 and amd64-libs that should be installed for a core2duo CPU?
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15:18<alaya>(not running amd64 port)
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15:35<xemacs>did the internet shutdown for the stuporball ?
15:35<amphi>the wot?
15:35<Tarcas>stuporbowl doesn't start for another 2.5 hours.
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15:36<xemacs>pregame is on
15:37<amphi>oh, spr0t?
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15:38<Ganneff>why do you talk about that in #debian?
15:39<amphi>or at all ;)
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15:40<xemacs>sniffle sniffle I AM so sorry
15:40<tweber>football tackles have something in common with flamewars: no winners, just pain
15:40<tweber>and they are fun to watch from the outside
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15:43<xemacs>yeah and if they kill each other its win win
15:43<Ganneff>and now you stop talking about it. thanks.
15:43<xemacs>done
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15:47<jim>so I installed compiz fusion .debs from tuxfamily.org; I did apt-get install kde kdm before adding that source... my window borders do look different now; how can I tell if I'm running compiz?
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15:48<jim>(also, I installed nvidia (as opposed to nv) before the compiz stuff)
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15:53<DaCapn>MaNsOn www.distrowatch.com? it tells you how to start compiz
15:53<DaCapn>sorry jim
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15:54<tucker>Goodday
15:54<DaCapn>okay... let me just start over, somehow a bastardizaation of 3 past comments came out
15:55<DaCapn>jim did you read the info on the tuxfamily site? there's something about compiz-manager or something. It tells you how to start it
15:55<jim>DaCapn: hi... so I noticed as I was installing/messing around that my window borders look different... so I guessed that maybe I'm running compiz now, or something else that's also different from what I was running before
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15:56<tucker>Did someone try to update there mysql on etch recently? It has a problem that it can't stop the mysqld...
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15:56<jim>not yet, but I will
15:56<tucker>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!
15:56<tucker>invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed.
15:56<tucker>invoke-rc.d returned 1
15:56<DaCapn>jim you should be able to tell immediately if you're running compiz fusion when you move or maximize a window... or change workspaces
15:57<jim>but right now I'm trying to find out exactly which wm I'm running (if not the one I was)
15:57<DaCapn>are you running kde or gnome?
15:57<jim>moving a window doesn't look any different
15:57<jim>kde
15:58<DaCapn>then you're probably using kwin
15:58<jim>ok
15:59<jim>I'll tell you my source, and then what I aptgetted from that source
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15:59<DaCapn>I don't think that has anything to do with it
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16:00<DaCapn>you need to RUN compiz fusion for it to be active
16:00<jim>deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-etch/desktopfx/stable/ ./
16:00<jim>or it needs to be run from kde?
16:00<DaCapn>did you read the site at all?
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16:00<DaCapn>it tells you how to get compiz running
16:01<jim>not yet :) probably best I do that now
16:01<DaCapn>It's sort of right there on the exact same page that you got the repository information from
16:02<jim>I'm pokin around now :)
16:02<jim>oh, I got repo info from someone here
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16:02<jim>not from the site
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16:02<DaCapn>http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11
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16:03<jim>ok, good :)
16:03<jim>I'll do the reading now
16:04<bond007>say i set up a samba print server using cups, and am able to print stuff with it on windows boxes, but am unable to find a way to allow my debian systems to access/print to it - can anyone help me?
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16:07<jim>Checking for Xgl: not present.
16:07<jim>when running: compiz-manager
16:07<jim>what do I install to get that :)
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16:08<jim>wait, is that just an x server with gl?
16:08<tucker>Can anyone help me out on the mysql upgrade?
16:08<jim>tucker: if I were you I'd dump your mysql db and hold onto that file
16:08<jim>to start with.
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16:09<jim>also stop anything that would alter the db
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16:10<jim>(and reverse the order of those two: stop stuff first, then make a dump which you hold onto, then go from there
16:10<jim>)
16:11<jim>if worst comes to worst, you can abandon the upgrade and use what you have, and you'll be able to restore the db to what it was when you started
16:14<jim>if the debian packaging doesn't work, you have some choices... two of which are: dig into the packaging to pinpoint what is wrong exactly, correct the problem and submit a patch
16:14<jim>and build mysql of the version you want yourself, and restore the dump into that
16:15<tucker>mzz
16:15<tucker>did murderize the process, then apt-get remove apt-get install and it seems to work fine.
16:15<jim>if it were me, I'd go for building unless the maintainer were (1) right here on the channel AND (2) ready and willing to help immediately
16:15<tucker>with apt-get does it auto-install the newest version?
16:16<jim>the newest available from among the sources you have in sources.list.
16:16<jim>by default,
16:16<tucker>uhu
16:16<tucker>I use etch sources
16:16<jim>you could explore backports.org if you want
16:17<tucker>it's a working envoirment so I rather stick to stable
16:17<tucker>so were supprised to see stable crash;)
16:17<jim>oh, maybe one thing that could have gone wrong with your upgrade:
16:18<jim>a process was connected to and therefore using mysql at the time you tried
16:18<tucker>could be
16:18<tucker>since it said stopping deamon failed.
16:18<tucker>at least installing mysqld is a relieve for the process on 3.0;)
16:18<jim>like, if you're using mysql as part of a web service, and the web server maintains a pool of open connections
16:19<tucker>it does.
16:19<tucker>I run apache as non-daemon.
16:19<jim>so you would have had to stop the web service
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16:19<tucker>probbably yes.
16:19<jim>and maybe your mysql upgrade would have proceeded
16:19<jim>so, this is a minor bug
16:20<tucker>I tried apache2, but I didn't like it. Is there a way to neatly tidy up the files?
16:20<tucker>second q. can I make a cronjob dump of mysql to another disk?
16:20<jim>and the mysql maint might look at how to see if mysql is in use, and veto the upgrade if so
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16:20<jim>sure, why not?
16:20<jim>in fact that's a damn good idea
16:21<jim>I just don't know the details tho
16:21<tucker>which one the cron dump?
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16:21<jim>the cron dump, yes
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16:22<jim>in fact, what I'd do for any dump of the -whole service- is I'd dump the database to a file in a dir named for the purpose and date, and I'd tar up all the files that apache (and anything else) uses to support the service and put it in that same dir
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16:23<tucker>jim found the dump option
16:23<tucker>mysqldump
16:23<tucker>then it's pretty easy:)
16:23<jim>seems that way yes
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16:23<jim>here's a nudge I'll apply to you: you might explore postgres
16:23<tucker>postgres?
16:24<jim>altho mysql is progressing toward fairly standard status nicely
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16:25<jim>and if you do that, find The Internet Application Workbook (somewhere on the net) and see what you can come up with
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16:27<db>have a small problem..
16:27<db>wondering if anyone could help?
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16:27<tucker>fire away db
16:28<db>thx tucker
16:28<jim>db: can't do anything without knowing what you want...
16:28<db>i am running (or was) kubuntu gutsy on a dell 1501
16:28<jim>(well, ok, yes I can :)
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16:28<db>eth1 now is now not even being detected
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16:28*db laughs
16:28<db>even though the wireless light indicator is on
16:29<db>and the keyboard just stopped working.
16:29<db>completely.
16:29<jim>sometimes it only takes power to the device to do that
16:29<db>alt+sysrq+ doesnt even do that.
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16:29<db>*doesn't even work
16:29<jim>so can you ssh in?
16:29<db>they were all workign fine... they both stopped working in linux
16:29<jim>(from another machine that is)
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16:29<db>but they both work fine in windows.
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16:30<shivraj>I just upgraded to lenny now evolution isnt working ..
16:30<shivraj>not connecting to ssl on gmail ... anyone know ?
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16:30<jim>lenny isn't stable yet... is it?
16:30<db>this is my third 'buntu install..
16:30<db>any ideas?
16:30<db>mainly on the keyboard?
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16:30<jim>well first off, what do the #ubuntu folks say? (maybe here, maybe irc.freenode.net)
16:31<db>single user mode doesn't work either.
16:31<db>they erm.. ignored the whole problem
16:31<db>i have been to both channels :-)
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16:31<tucker>what showed up on google
16:31<db>i asked for help on freenode a good 6 times, and once i had the floor.. they did not reply.
16:31<tucker>because it might be stupid hardware
16:31<db>i also checked google and the forums.
16:31<db>i will fill out a bug ticket once
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16:32<db>i can find out how to replicate it.
16:32<db>:-)
16:32<db>well, i can not type atm, so i have to write everything down...
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16:32<tucker>in the main time try debian 4;)
16:32<jim>all I know about ubuntu is it's an unstable from Idontknowhowlongago and worked on for 6 mos and then released
16:32*tucker is quite happy with the older bunties..
16:33<db>lol.
16:33<jim>oh, and it uses (someversionof) the debian packaging system
16:33<tucker>but I'm getting more and more attrackted to debian.. cause it's less messy
16:33<db>any other debian distros you can think of?
16:33<jim>lessy!
16:33<db>i use pure debian for my servers.
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16:33<db>but idk about using "testing" for my operational laptop
16:33<db>and etch is *never* updated...
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16:34<tucker>etch is patched tho.
16:34<tucker>that's what I like most about debian.
16:34<jim>(hence its stability :)
16:34<db>and of course, i have to use debian repos for my
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16:34<db>*ubuntu
16:34<db>for the drivers for the dell
16:34<db>which cause problems once again
16:34<tucker>we're going to use xrdp and kde in a inet cafe with thinclients:)
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16:34<tucker>currently figureing out how we can alter sesman:)
16:34<jim>the dell... laptop? server box?
16:35<db>laptop , dell 1501, amd semprom, + ati
16:35<jim>is that amd64?
16:35<db>yes
16:36<jim>ok, on an amd64 box you could use several different combinations:
16:36<db>sorry.
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16:36<db>no it is 32bit
16:36<jim>oh ok
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16:38<jim>what is metacity?
16:38<db>and lastly, kde has been reduced to a win-me (ish)
16:39<db>looking gui which ubuntu's settings manager can not change..
16:39<db>even deleting the proper folder
16:39<jim>THAT unstable? sheesh!
16:39<db>does not fix..
16:39<db>thanks..
16:39<jim>win me was BAD
16:39<db>lol.
16:39<ServerSide>Do anyone know how can gnome start apps at boot that was running just before the shutdowning?
16:39<db>edit .etc.rc.d
16:40<db>vi /etc/rc.d
16:40<db>for the autoruns?
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16:40<DaCapn>or you can open up that session manager and put them in there
16:40<jim>he wants it so that anything that was running before he shut down (like solitaire) will be restarted when he comes back
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16:41<DaCapn>oh
16:41<tucker>jim about the mysqlbackup thingie.... webmin has some fantastic features:)
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16:41<konqui_89>Does anyone here have a contact with the #ubuntu channel on freenode?
16:42<jim>banned? :P
16:43<jim>did you ask for a pony? did you ask for some mony? did you say sorry? did you watch Maury?
16:43<konqui_89>Yeah... I was asking what a good server for knoppix support was and some guy was being an ass telling me that I couldn't ask off-topic questions like that in the ubuntu channel... I know I shouldn't ask questions about a different distro, but I wasn't really asking anything about knoppix - i was inquiring about IRC.. lol
16:43<konqui_89>I kindly told him he was a penis
16:44<jim>ahh,,, then you'll have to talk to him
16:44<konqui_89>i dont remember his name =\
16:45*jim considers carefully who this problem belongs to...
16:45<jim>for a microsecond :)
16:45<konqui_89>lol
16:45<db>any ideas m8s?
16:45<jim>there's nothing I can do here... you sorta sealed your fate for the moment
16:45<konqui_89>i guess i'll just have to continue trying my luck with ubuntuforums
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16:46<konqui_89>Thanks for the thought at least :)
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16:46<jim>I mean, say I went there now and tried to open a conversation.. "hey, you know that guy who called you a penis? he's really not such a bad sport..."
16:47<konqui_89>hah
16:47<db>lol
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16:48<db>"well he really meant that you were more of a dick than a penis.. he really didn't mean too much harm"
16:48<db>"and a small one at that... not a large one"
16:48*Aleric is "getting there" with the new HOWTO
16:48*db is rofl
16:48-!-pat93_miam is now known as pat93
16:48<jim>"and by the way, which one of you was it? he doesn't want to pingflood you off the net... really..."
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16:48<shivraj>how do I downgrade ?
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16:48<Aleric>http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/iceweasel32.html
16:49<Aleric>:)
16:49<jim>debian wasn't designed for downgrading...
16:49<amphi>Aleric: I look
16:49-!-Simon42 [~simon42@pD95F8732.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
16:49<jim>(yes, that was an idiot move... but to support downgrading completely would be a LOT of work)
16:50-!-db is now known as jesus
16:50<shivraj>jim: I upgraded to lenny but evolution isnt working
16:50-!-jim [jim@cpe-24-143-146-175.cable.alamedanet.net] has left #debian [Leaving]
16:50<shivraj>need to downgrade
16:50-!-jesus is now known as db
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16:50<jim>what just happened?
16:50<Aleric>[22:50] <-- jim (jim@cpe-24-143-146-175.cable.alamedanet.net) has left #debian (Leaving)
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16:50<Aleric>Hit the wrong button I guess
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16:51<jim>oh shoot, I have my hand on the ctrl key
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16:51<konqui_89>Would it be appropriate to ask if anyone knows a good server for knoppix support, here?
16:51<xpl>hello
16:51<noflash>konqui_89, nope
16:51<jim>is there not #knoppix here and/or on irc.freenode.net?
16:52<noflash>jim, you'd think ;)
16:52<xpl>Does somebody know where I can find a good tutorial for installing IP masquerade in debian?
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16:52<konqui_89>jim, not here, i opened that one and on freenode... well it sucks, noone is ever there.
16:52<jim>xpl: here it is: apt-get install ipmasq (after setting up both interfaces)
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16:52<knoppix__>alguien me puede ayudar aformatear
16:53<witte>shivraj: that is a bug in evolution, they probably will fix that rather soon
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16:53*shivraj destroyed his installation
16:53<shivraj>witte : really ?
16:53<shivraj>witte : ok
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16:54<witte>shivraj: have a look at http://www.debian.org/Bugs
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16:54<xpl>jim: i asked for a tutorial? do you say it is installing all its needed all the settings when its actually installing itself?
16:54*tucker is off
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16:54<tucker>thanks for the warm help.
16:54<scratch>when i take bootsplash patch for kernel-2.6.24 ?
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16:55<jim>xpl: once you set up the interfaces, installing the ipmasq package creates a gateway router, yes.
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16:56<jim>it "calculates" and establishes all necessary iptables/ipchains/ipfw rules
16:56<xpl>jim: automatically? ok, then where can I find a good tutorial about installing the interfaces?
16:56<tweber>shivraj, what part of evolution? SSL?
16:56<bighornram>setting up bluetooth connection to blackberry pearl for use as a modem. when i initiate the ppp connection, ifconfig ppp0 shows no transmittion in or out, also no ip. also ifconfig alone doesn't include ppp0 in the return. what would be the problem?
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16:56<jim>xpl: so you have two net cards in the box in question (let's give it a name)
16:56<jim>?
16:58<xpl>i have a desktop connected to the internet (this from where I write you) and a laptop which is connected to the desktop with a lan cable
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16:58<xpl>on the desktop I have debian
16:58<jim>so you want the desktop to be a router?
16:58<xpl>yes
16:58<jim>ok
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16:58<xpl>without actually having a router (i mean the hardware)
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16:59<jim>how is the desktop connected to the "rest of the net"?
16:59-!-LimCore is now known as Guest310
16:59<shivraj>tweber : yes
16:59<jim>(btw, if you're presently ok with having your desktop directly exposed to the net, we're ok for now at least)
16:59<xpl>to the internet? with a cable internet connection: net cable to modem, modem to comp via usb
17:00<shivraj>tweber : I dont know it says cant connect to SSL, google uses ssl
17:00<shivraj>tweber : thats my primary emailing
17:00<jim>so ethernet to the cable modem?
17:00<xpl>yes
17:00<xpl>and modem via usb to the desktop computer
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17:01<jim>so it's all usb?
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17:01<xpl>no no no. sorry. I missunderstood
17:01<tweber>shivraj, you must ensure that the evolution-data-server-* packages are at the same version as evolution
17:01<xpl>ethernet to the lan card
17:01<xpl>to a ethernet card
17:01<tweber>shivraj, for details have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462967
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17:02<jim>do you have ethernet on the laptop? do you have a second eth card you could install into the desktop?
17:02<xpl>its like this: laptop <----> desktop <----> internet
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17:02<jim>ok, and the laptop <-> desktop is usb?
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17:02<xpl>no, its regular lan cable
17:03-!-hever_ is now known as hever
17:03<jim>oh, it is?
17:03-!-_markus__ [~Markus@chello084112136139.36.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #debian
17:03<_markus__>hi
17:03<jim>what is desktop <-> internet?
17:03<witte>xpl: i think you need ipmasq
17:03<xpl>usb to modem, modem to internet
17:03<xpl>or vice versa
17:03<jim>ok
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17:04<xpl>witte: thats what I think also, thanx
17:04<jim>so then the question becomes: how is the usb interface set up in the interfaces file?
17:04<jim>look at /etc/network/interfaces
17:04<xpl>lets see
17:05<jim>(if you want, you can use a pastebin like rafb.net/paste to show us the entire file...)
17:05<_markus__>How can I install an older version of a package in testing? I installed latest libtidy-0.99.0 which is at 20080116cvs-2 but it doesn't work properly on my system and I need the previous one, 20051018-1. Where can I find it? And, is there a way without downloading it as a separte .deb to install it? something like apt-get install libtidy-0.99.0=20051018-1 (doesn't work that way :). thanks
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17:07<xpl># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
17:07<xpl># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
17:07<xpl># The loopback network interface
17:07<xpl>auto lo
17:07<xpl>iface lo inet loopback
17:07-!-xpl was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
17:07<tweber>_markus__, http://snapshot.debian.net/
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17:08<xpl>sorry
17:08<jim>yeah, the bot won't let you do that
17:08<xpl>ok, sorry
17:08<xpl>i wont do that again
17:08<xpl>did you see the file?
17:09<amphi>xpl: use a pastebin, like pastebin.ca
17:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 336] by debhelper
17:09<noflash>!paster
17:09<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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17:11<_markus__>tweber: many many thanks!!!
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17:11<tweber>you are welcome
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17:12<jim>xpl: no more than like 2 lines of it... you'll have to pastebin it (use one of the suggested web services for that, once you get the file there, you'll have a url to it you can paste here (it'll be one line, which will be ok)
17:12<bighornram>trying to setup ppp connection via bluetooth to blackberry, I get serial connection but no data transfer. how to troubleshoot it?
17:13<jim>one thing to find out is whether the ppp protocol is actually running
17:13<xpl>http://paste.debian.net/48363
17:13<amphi>bighornram: there are couple of verbose logging options to pppd that might help
17:14<xpl>I m not sure whether thats what you all ask me to do but...
17:14<jim>yes, so it's talking about eth0 and eth1
17:14<bighornram>jim how do i check if the ppp protocol is running? ifconfig command doesn't show ppp0 connection. but ifconfig ppp0 does but no ip
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17:14<xpl>eth0 is ethernet
17:14<jim>it'd be nice to find out what those are
17:14<xpl>eth1 is internet
17:15<jim>so the eth0 is the internal?
17:15<xpl>yes
17:15<jim>according to the file, you're asking on the -internal- net for an ip address from some dhcp server lurking on that -internal- net
17:15<bighornram>amphi: how would I go about doing the logging?
17:16<jim>instead, you might consider running a dhcp server for machines that connect on your internal net, and decide on an ip numbering scheme
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17:17<xpl>lets say I wont 192.168.0.1 to be the desktop local ip
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17:17<jim>then...
17:17<xpl>and, lets say .0.2
17:17<xpl>to be the laptop
17:17<jim>for the laptop?
17:17<xpl>yeah
17:18<jim>ok, we can start with that
17:18<xpl>thats ok?
17:18<xpl>isnt it?
17:18<jim>and you don't need dhcp (altho it might be handy later for things like game lan parties)
17:18<_markus__>How can I set a package on hold from the shell without dselect?
17:19<xpl>ok, i mean, dhcp generates ips and everything automatically
17:19<xpl>so I need to turn that option off
17:19<xpl>yes?
17:19<jim>but which machine is the dhcp coming from?
17:19<jim>and over what connection?
17:19<xpl>i think that currently both connections use dhcp
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17:20<jim>but if both do, that means there's a dhcp server somewhere on the internal net
17:20<jim>do you have a ethernet hub?
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17:20<xpl>no
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17:20<jim>ok so you have a crossover cable then?
17:20<xpl>I guess, yes
17:21<xpl>I mean like I said earlier
17:21<jim>a special ethernet cable that goes directly from the desktop to the laptop with -nothing- inbetween?
17:21<xpl>laptop - desktop - internet
17:21<xpl>yes, positive :)
17:22<xpl>directly
17:22<jim>so that cable is wired differently (most likely)... otherwise one or both ethernet cards have new feature that negotiates that aspect
17:22<jim>but in any case
17:23<jim>what you need on the desktop is something like...
17:25<xpl>something like...?
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17:28<jim>("\n" means newline, "\t" means tab) iface eth0 inet static \n\t address 192.168.0.1 \n\t netmask 255.255.255.0
17:28<jim>oh, and put an auto eth0 in there too
17:28<jim>and before you change any of that, ifdown eth0
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17:31<xpl>auto before eth0?
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17:33<jim>yeah, and bring the interface down before changing anything
17:33<xpl>ok
17:34<jim>well you don't have to do it that way but it's handy
17:34<jim>so at root prompt, ifdown eth0
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17:34<jim>then make the changes
17:34<jim>then try ifup eth0
17:35<xpl>i dont have that iface... ?!
17:35<xpl>:S
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17:35<jim>so when you say: ifdown eth0 it says (exactly)...?
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17:36<xpl>There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 2393
17:36<xpl>killed old client process, removed PID file
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17:36<xpl>Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.4
17:36<xpl>Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium.
17:36<jim>so far so good
17:36<xpl>All rights reserved.
17:37<xpl>For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
17:37<xpl>Listening on LPF/eth0/00:18:f3:77:f5:1a
17:37<xpl>Sending on LPF/eth0/00:18:f3:77:f5:1a
17:37<xpl>Sending on Socket/fallback
17:37<xpl>thats all
17:37<jim>ok, that looks good
17:37<RevChap>I'm a newb to Debian. Anyone help me install internet players?
17:38<xpl>but i dont have iface
17:38<jim>now make the changes to the /etc/network/interfaces
17:38<Simon42>RevChap: You don't play the internet... you browse it... ;-)
17:38<jim>"iface" is understood by that file
17:38<xpl>ok
17:38<xpl>sorry
17:38<jim>np
17:38<RevChap>Got it! But...I wawnt to browse Youtube
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17:39<jim>xpl: put this link somewhere: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
17:39<jim>section 10.6 talks about the interfaces file
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17:40<philipp>all of you are realy grate
17:40<philipp>so super
17:40<Simon42>RevChap: apt-get install iceweasel
17:40<jim>leave the lo stuff and the eth1 stuff like it is, get rid of all the eth0 stuff, replace
17:40<xpl>jim: should I erase whats allready in there or not?
17:40<philipp>i like you all
17:40<RevChap>is that in Terminal, Simon42?
17:40<xpl>ok
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17:41<jim>xpl: not all of it, just the stuff involving eth0
17:41<philipp>i care you all
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17:42<jim>like all good grates, if I'm missing, people fall into a hole!
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17:43<trav1085>I compiled Smplayer just now,
17:43<trav1085>And I want to create a deb binary
17:43<trav1085>Are there any good resources for this?
17:43<jim>xpl: what we're trying to accomplish is to get your internal interface to be 192.168.0.1
17:43<xpl>ok
17:43<jim>trav1085: the debian packaging manual
17:43<trav1085>dpkg?
17:44<xpl>yeah I got it... and i did it
17:44<xpl>and it all went well
17:44<RevChap>Anybody have a source for simple, step-by-step installation instructions? I keep running into "you're not the administrator" and "cannot open an RPM file" stuff.
17:44<xpl>(he didnt reply anything)
17:44<jim>ok, did you bring the interface up?
17:44<xpl>(thats good, right?)
17:44<xpl>yes yeas
17:44<jim>most of the time yes...
17:44<jim>ok, when you type ifconfig do you see eth0?
17:44<xpl>:)
17:44<Simon42>RevChap: It's hard where to start...
17:45<xpl>yeah (look now it yeah)
17:45<jim>ok, good
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17:45<Simon42>RevChap: For starters it's not easy/not possible to install rpm packages.
17:45<jim>on the laptop,
17:45<jim>ifdown eth0
17:46<Jjoseph>simon what about alien?
17:46<RevChap>OK, forget the RPM files. How about TAR files?
17:46<RevChap>I can download, unarchive, and then I'm stuck. What's next?
17:46<jim>("\n" means newline, "\t" means tab) iface eth0 inet static \n\t address 192.168.0.2 \n\t netmask 255.255.255.0 \n\t gateway 192.168.0.1
17:47<jim>ifup eth0
17:47<jim>ping 192.168.0.1
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17:47<Simon42>RevChap: Can we do this in a query?
17:47<jim>see if you get replies on the laptop from the desktop
17:48<RevChap>If you want to help, I'm all ears.
17:48<xpl>ok it sees it
17:48<RevChap>How do we do a "query"?
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17:48<jim>good. on the desktop... apt-get install ipmasq
17:48<Simon42>I hope it just opened or something...
17:48<RevChap>Yes, I'm that green to Linux
17:48<xpl>wait. when I ping on desktop
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17:49<xpl>it says operation not premitted
17:49<xpl>ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
17:49<jim>what address are you pinging?
17:49<philipp>i think its realy grate to help other people
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17:49<xpl>.0.2
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17:50<jim>ok... did you install ipmasq already?
17:50<xpl>well, yeah... :( i tryed to it myself and then i stucked in...
17:50<jim>ok, /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop
17:50<jim>iptables -F
17:51<jim>then try the ping
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17:57<jim>hmm /me thinks xpl's desktop internet must have depended on some iptables setup
17:57<jim>(oops :)
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18:03<shivraj>RevChap : tar ?
18:03<shivraj>RevChap : see man tar
18:05<shivraj>RevChap : this is #debian we use .debs not .rpms
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18:07<jim>if the question is "how to install a .tar", there's no specific answer, because a .tar (or compressed tar, .tar.gz, .tar.bz2) can contain anything in any shape
18:07<AbsintheSyringe>I'm following http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install to install debian on eee, no cdrom via usb, but ethernet is not working and I was thinking about netinstall, how will I perform "Ethernet (atl2)" to get net on it
18:08<jim>what is atl2?
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18:09<xpl>jim: sorry, my internet connection went down, dont know why
18:09<jim>xpl: hey! you're back... you blew up before :)
18:09<jim>ok
18:09<jim>so how far along are you
18:09<xpl>ok
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18:09<xpl>let me just ping once agaain
18:10<jim>the interfaces are up?
18:10<xpl>ok
18:10<AbsintheSyringe>ok I think I figured what went wrong
18:10<xpl>I restrarted the computer
18:10<xpl>and now they can ping each other
18:10<jim>ok, look at ifconfig
18:10<jim>oh, they can?
18:10<xpl>yeah
18:10<jim>good!
18:10<xpl>now what
18:10<xpl>?
18:11<jim>so that means the desktop's interfaces are completely set up
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18:11<jim>and... they come up automatically?
18:11<jim>(you did not have to say "ifup eth0"?)
18:11<xpl>well after restarting they were good, so I think yes
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18:11<xpl>no
18:11<xpl>i didnt
18:11<jim>ok
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18:12<jim>also, -without- having to say on the desktop, "ifup eth1", you were already able to browse, come here, etc?
18:12<xpl>yeah
18:12<jim>ok, so "worked out of the box"?
18:13<jim>now, try this: apt-get install ipmasq
18:13<xpl>and, i dont know how this affect anything, but you know that little icon near the clock which shows the connections
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18:13<jim>I probably have a completely different setup, so no
18:13<xpl>earlier when i click on it, it would show two card, two connection
18:14<xpl>now only one, but it doesnt metter
18:14<xpl>and it says wired network
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18:14<xpl>did it
18:14<jim>and?
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18:15<jim>does your laptop now able to get out?
18:15<xpl>well it didnt install anything since i was already having ipmasq installed
18:15<xpl>should i remove ipmasq
18:15<xpl>and then install it again?
18:15<jim>no, see if the laptop can get out
18:16<xpl>like ping www.debian.org ?
18:16<xpl>no it says unknown host
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18:16<jim>ok, we deal with that in a minute
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18:17<jim>from the laptop: ping 194.109.137.218
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18:17<jim>(that address is www.debian.org)
18:18<xpl>it goes
18:18<xpl>yah
18:18<jim>you get replies?
18:18<xpl>yeah
18:18<xpl>yeah
18:18<jim>ok, good... so that means your laptop gets out.
18:18<xpl>yeah
18:18<xpl>I know that
18:18<xpl>:)
18:19<jim>summary: if you set up your interfaces, you can install ipmasq and it will cause that computer to ALSO be a gateway router
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18:19<xpl>got it!
18:19<jim>on the desktop: apt-get install bind9
18:19<jim>on the laptop:
18:19<xpl>whats that?
18:20<jim>a dns server
18:20<jim>set up to just cache
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18:20<alex[1]>hello
18:20<alex[1]>guys, i'm in trouble
18:20<xpl>ok
18:20<xpl>come again?
18:20<alex[1]>i can't install debian... i've just bought a new hard drive and tried many times to install
18:20<jim>so after you do that, you can use 192.168.0.1 as "dns"
18:21<jim>which we will (next) make your laptop do
18:21<alex[1]>through lenny dvd and netinstall but everytimes the installer locks up at grub installation
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18:22<jim>xpl: do you have a file called /etc/resolv.conf
18:22<xpl>on the laptop?
18:22<jim>yes
18:22<xpl>no
18:22<xpl>I should probably tell you this
18:23<jim>ok, then do:
18:23<xpl>on the laptop i have gentoo
18:23<jim>that's fine
18:23<xpl>ok, do what:
18:23<jim>echo "nameserver 192.168.0.1" > /etc/resolv.conf
18:24<jim>(JUST xpl... anyone else who does that will get problems)
18:24<xpl>anyone else?
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18:25<xpl>you mean if there were some other computers in the network
18:25<xpl>?
18:25<jim>anyone else will probably not have a machine on 192.168.0.1
18:25<alex[1]>i do have a router on that addy
18:25<Simon42>xpl: He means us (-:
18:25<xpl>oh, ok
18:25<jim>and even if they do it probably won't have a name server installed
18:25<xpl>:)
18:25<jim>so they shouldn't do that :)
18:26<xpl>ok :)
18:26<alex[1]>jim
18:26<jim>but maybe alex does, and if so maybe he already did that :)
18:26<Simon42>but i'm pretty sure alex router has a dns ;-)
18:27<alex[1]>of course
18:27<xpl>:P
18:27<alex[1]>but i'm stuck for another reason
18:27<alex[1]>i can't manage to install debian on my new hdd
18:27<jim>what kind of hdd is it?
18:27<Simon42>alex[1]: try to get an image with .23 kernel
18:27<jim>pata? sata?
18:27<alex[1]>sata II
18:27<alex[1]>yup
18:28<jim>hmm, that should work
18:28<alex[1]>it stucks at grub installation
18:28<jim>unless you have a really really weird controller
18:28<jim>what kind of filesystem on /?
18:28<xpl>jim thanx
18:28<alex[1]>ext3
18:28<jim>that should work
18:28<jim>do you have a separate /boot?
18:28<alex[1]>no, i don't
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18:29<alex[1]>i have / /home and ntfs
18:29<alex[1]>and swap
18:29<jim>xpl: after doing that, can you ping www.debian.org (that is, can you ping by name)?
18:30<xpl>yeah but when i try to ssh desktop
18:30<xpl>from the laptop
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18:30<jim>hangs for long time?
18:30<xpl>it shows me a big WARNING
18:30<xpl>REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!
18:31<jim>oh ok
18:31<xpl>something about RSA host key has changed
18:31<jim>what you can do is remove lines from ~/.ssh/known_hosts
18:31<Simon42>FAVORITE_EDITOR .ssh/known_hosts
18:31<Simon42>ups too late
18:32<jim>too late... no UPS!
18:32<alex[1]>Simon42
18:32<alex[1]>any idea? :(
18:32<jim>how do you get those guys to deliver on sunday?!
18:32<Supaplex>?!
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18:33<Simon42>alex[1]: Same problem on some sata machines until .23.1
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18:34<creeed>my box is unreachable from the outside although the port 22 is opened, any idea please?
18:34<alex[1]>i see
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18:35<alex[1]>i tried and installed a different distribution
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18:35<alex[1]>and it worked just fine
18:35<alex[1]>the point is debian stuckinggg
18:35<jim>probably different kernel
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18:35<jim>you can try the kernel that worked
18:35<alex[1]>2.6.17
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18:36<alex[1]>how can i get a debian install cd with a newer kernel?
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18:36<jim>could you tell us where exactly grub fails? during install? at boot? somewhere else?
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18:37<xpl>jim: my computers have names, who do i use that instead of typing the IP address?
18:37<alex[1]>during install
18:37<xpl>not who but how
18:37<alex[1]>during grub installation into mbr
18:37<jim>well you could make a dns zone for your internal net
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18:37<jim>but you have no hub and only two machines... so that might be too much work
18:37<jim>so
18:38<jim>you can edit /etc/hosts on both machines
18:38<jim>put the names in there
18:38<jim>remember to put BOTH names in BOTH /etc/hosts
18:39<xpl>ok...
18:39<alex[1]>funny enough this other distro installation worked just fine
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18:39<jim>man 5 hosts
18:39<jim>look at the EXAMPLE(sic)
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18:43<jim>alex[1]: it's because kernels support devices (different distros configure their kernels differently)
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18:43<alex[1]>ok
18:43<alex[1]>but lenny dvd should have 22.3
18:43<jim>true
18:43<alex[1]>thats updated enought
18:43<jim>well I guess :)
18:43<alex[1]>my idea is to get sidux
18:43<jim>is that the kernel you ended up with?
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18:44<alex[1]>no
18:44<alex[1]>with netinstall it uses 2.6.18.5
18:44<jim>ohh
18:44<jim>so it never even booted the .22.omething?
18:44<alex[1]>i also have lenny dvd but it stucks at a point, before installing the software, asking me to insert the first dvd
18:44<alex[1]>which is already inside the dvd drive
18:45<alex[1]>it never booted, i just can't finish the installation
18:45<jim>so it's a little clunky :P
18:45<jim>they're workin on it :)
18:45<themill>IIRC. there are two different lenny installers -- one which is the etch installer that will install lenny, and the other is the work-in-progress lenny installer (that will install lenny).
18:45<jim>cmon you clunky maints... WORK!
18:46<alex[1]>i think i downloaded the former
18:46<themill>There's also the kmuto installer that might help (that's etch with a newer installer).
18:46<jim>yeah, that kernel sounds like the etch kerneol
18:46<themill>*kernel
18:47<jim>mmhmm
18:47<Simon42>alex[1]: you have an sata cdrom?
18:47<themill>!kmuto
18:47<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
18:47<alex[1]>no...
18:47<Simon42>ok...
18:47*jim thinks maybe should have got a sata cdrom writer
18:47<jim>but maybe not :)
18:48<jim>where are the RME hammerfall using people?
18:48<alex[1]>this kmuto thing seems interesting
18:48<jim>I might buy an hdsp multiface setup
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18:50<alex[1]>guys
18:50<alex[1]>i'm tring the kmuto installer tomorrow
18:50<alex[1]>if it is still not working, i'll try sidux
18:51<jim>run anything and everything that works for you and makes you the happiest
18:51<jim>don't run anything that doesn't
18:51<alex[1]>debian makes me the happiest
18:51<alex[1]>not these derivatives
18:51<alex[1]>lol
18:52<jim>well ok... then you will have to resolve the kernel issue somehow
18:52<alex[1]>eheh
18:52<jim>what you could do is
18:52<jim>install another dist on something like a separate hd
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18:53<jim>at that point you would have much more than just what an installer boot provides
18:53<jim>all the tools you need, etc
18:53<alex[1]>true
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18:53<xpl>jim: thank you once again, off i go now :)
18:53<alex[1]>thats a good idea
18:54<jim>then mount empty partitions somewhere (like on /target or like that)
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18:54<jim>so that /target would be set up exactly what you want for / on your new debian
18:55<jim>then install/use debootstrap to install onto /target
18:55<jim>once that is completed...
18:55<jim>install the exact kernel you want
18:56<jim>try booting it (don't get rid of the temp otherdist install yet! you might need it in case you have to troubleshoot)
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18:56<jim>do you have /home in a separate partition?
18:56<jim>do you have a lot of stuff in your /home at this point?
18:57<alex[1]>no
18:57<alex[1]>it is empty
18:57<alex[1]>all my data are in another hd
18:57<jim>ok, then you're not worried about losing all your hard-won stuff
18:57<alex[1]>eheh no :d
18:57<jim>oh! then don't format that hd!
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18:58<jim>:)
18:58<alex[1]>eheh
18:58<jim>for now just get that far
18:58<alex[1]>i also have an idea
18:58<jim>uhoh! run!
18:58<alex[1]>if i manage to get a minimal installation done
18:59<alex[1]>i could copy datas from the old hdd
18:59<jim>yes
18:59<jim>OR you could mount it
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19:00<alex[1]>and i maybe can use a dpkg -l | > installed.file to get a list of installed packages
19:00<alex[1]>at that point i could read that list and pass it to apt-get install on the new hdd
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19:00<jim>you mean like for your old debian install? yes, you can do that too
19:00<alex[1]>yeah i mean that
19:01<jim>as you can see this ranges pretty wide as far as your freedom to pick what you want to install and how you'd go about it
19:01<alex[1]>only i dont know how to realize the second part
19:02<alex[1]>how to pass a list to apt-get but that shouldn't be that hard actually
19:02<jim>you can iterate thru the list and feed to apt-get
19:02<alex[1]>for $i and stuff
19:02<jim>or | xargs ...
19:03<alex[1]>dude
19:03<alex[1]>i think i'm going now
19:03<alex[1]>thats for the help
19:03<jim>thats for the thanks too!
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19:03<alex[1]>are u here tomorrow?
19:04<jim>tomorrow, probably not
19:04<alex[1]>oh i see
19:04<jim>but lotsa folks will be
19:04<alex[1]>good
19:04<alex[1]>see u soon then
19:04<alex[1]>thanks again ;)
19:04<jim>have fun
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19:25<phatsteez>I installed Etch without setting up root password or a user, can I fix this without reinstalling?
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19:28<phatsteez>can someone help? when I went through the install it skipped the root password and user setup and I cant' get past the gdm login screen now
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19:30<Enfilade>'it skipped' ?
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19:31<themill>phatsteez: Press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a black, text based login screen. Login as root (empty password). Type "passwd" to set a password. Type "adduser yourname" to create a user.
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20:05<samer>hi
20:05<samer>my pkg-config is complaining about not finidng a 'gtk+-unix-print-2.0'
20:07<samer>does anyone know how i could solve it? :)
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20:17<philipp>ir somebody is femenin you are realy spacial
20:17<samer>?
20:18<philipp>i am drunken
20:18<philipp>realy drunken
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20:24<samer>lol
20:24<samer>philipp are you a debian dev?
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20:27<philipp>yes
20:27<philipp>but i like alkohol
20:27<samer>lol
20:27<samer>i like marijuana :o
20:27<philipp>it helps me to say what i meand
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20:28<Schrodinger>superbowl?
20:28<samer>can you help me out for a sec?
20:28<philipp>whats the metter?
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20:29<samer>i'm trying to build ff3 and pgk-config is telling me 'gtk+-unix-print-2.0' is not found
20:29<samer>i installed all the runtine dependencies
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20:30<philipp>are you shure that you installed gtk?
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20:30<samer>i think so, i used synaptic
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20:31<samer>and everything is checked
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20:31<samer>libgtk2-dev, libgtk2, gtk2-engines
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20:32<blarson>samer: looks like you need libgtk2.0-dev
20:33<samer>yea that's installed as well :(
20:33<philipp>i tihnk so
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20:33<dreamer_>hi
20:34<dreamer_>anybody here?
20:34<samer>hi :)
20:34<blarson>dreamer_: no
20:34<dreamer_>how do I run some stuff at boot?
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20:35<dreamer_>I mean, afteer the desktop loads up, how do I run stuff?
20:36<dreamer_>like switching my broadcom wireless on
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20:38<dreamer_>so?
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20:39-!-simonrvn [~simon@209.58-ppp.3menatwork.com] has left #debian [Thanks, and Take Care]
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20:46<lovemoon>ciao!
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21:03<condector>br
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21:14<weld>someone knows where the kde trash is located?
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21:17<weld>found it ~/.local/share/Trash/ :)
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21:30<sinoptik>ïðèâåò âñåì
21:30<alaya>that sounds like a typical kde file location convention
21:31<sinoptik>hello
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21:33<Guest334>hi
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21:39<sinoptik>i configured pptpd. after reboot it can,t start. system boot stop on it/ there are no console. how can i clean it from boot or continue boot system?
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21:41<sinoptik>or how i can start system manually
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21:42<debacle>hi all, wich is the best kernel version for an Intel QUAD-Core, i'm on lenny
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21:47<Brudus>Is there an iceweasel room on this server. I don't see one on the /list
21:47<craigevil>why would there be an iceweasel room
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21:59<Brudus>I have a problem. didn't know if this was the place to ask it.
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21:59<kop>!ask
21:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
22:02<Brudus>I'm having iceweasel crash on me. It always crashes when I do the same thing. It happens when i have a streaming video on one tab and i go to close that tab and then it freezes up.
22:03<craigevil>bad plugin or extensions most likely
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22:06<kop>Brudus : You could file a bug report. Sounds like a good candidate for one.
22:07<phatsteez>anyone want to help me out? loading acpi and installing tp-fancontrol script seems to have broken my networking--no wired or wireless connection is possible
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22:15<amphi>phatsteez: what machine?
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22:24<maxdoubt>i'm looking for a good howto to doing authentication against an ldap server w/ etch?
22:24<maxdoubt>setting up both the server and the client
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22:26<predder>I would start at http://www.howtoforge.com/
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22:27<yangsx>hi, is there anyone successful with suspending ThinkPad T61 without power drain?
22:27<predder>if they don't have a Debian guide specifically, an Ubuntu one might be of some use
22:28<sco50000>is there a way to automatically remove all my old kernels? i have 3, but two are from before i upgraded to lenny
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22:28<jagerman>yangsx: I'd like into s2disk, I suppose.
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22:29<maxdoubt>predder, thx... will commence searching
22:29<jagerman>yangsx: ... which comes in the uswsusp package
22:29<maxdoubt>i tried a couple other guides, which got me somewhere... but figuring out what's not working seems impossible
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22:31<maxdoubt>ldap in itself seems like voodoo
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22:31<maxdoubt>let alone setting up pam stuff for the clients
22:32<maxdoubt>but boy would it be nice to have all the users at my little school authenticate against one db/directory
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22:33<kop>maxdoubt : What ldap server are you using?
22:33<maxdoubt>kop, slapd
22:34<kop>I've used openldap before too, and it always seems a struggle but it works eventually.
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22:34<maxdoubt>is there a more noob-friendly alternative?
22:35<Supaplex>hire someone
22:35<kop>maxdoubt : (Setting up the pam stuff for the clients is an entirely different problem. One of management.)
22:35<yangsx>jagerman: I use s2disk, but found power drain while it's sleeping
22:36<lubos>Invalid command 'PerlHandler' .. PerlHandler ModPerl::Registry..what do I need to install? I mean is there a package for this?
22:36<yangsx>jagerman: I searched the web and founder others complain similar problems with ThinkPad, though not T61 model
22:36<kop>maxdoubt : RedHat is, I hear, finally about to release their single-sign-on solution that they bought from somewhere. It'll be free software so should install. YMMV.
22:36<maxdoubt>kop, my client queries the ldap server... and i can see the logs on the server process the connection... but it doesn't authenticate correctly for some reason
22:37<kop>maxdoubt : Ususually the problem is in the access permissions in slapd.conf (IIRC that's where it is). You can up the debug level. Use "tail -f" on the log in another window while you try.
22:38<maxdoubt>kop... yeah i maxed out the debug level... but can't figure out what the problem is... maybe it the client wasn't setup to use the same crypto method on the password?
22:39<kop>maxdoubt : I don't have an openldap install handy, but there's some sort of bit mask you set to tell it what kind of logging you want.
22:39<kop>maxdoubt : Have you tried using the command line ldap tools to authenticate?
22:39<maxdoubt>kop.. not with that specific user, worth a try though
22:40<kop>maxdoubt : IIRC there's a way to supply the crypted password. You could then be sure it's doing what you want.
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22:41<kop>maxdoubt : (Or maybe I was producing the hash myself and comparing it with the ldap value? I forget. I did have a problem like that once. You need to get the salt right, and there's some sort of ldap-oid representation of what hash is used.... My recollections are blurred.)
22:42<maxdoubt>kop... its cool, i just need more time to mess w/ it
22:42<kop>maxdoubt : Maybe the openldap channel, or list?
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22:45<vook>for those that use gnome... All of my tooltips have been showing up for a long time as black text on a black background (resulting in just a little black box everytime I hover). Anyone know where this would be changed? I've gone through gnome-color-chooser, themes, etc... and can't seem to find setting with black text on black background.
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22:47<vook>pht! nevermind - never fails, I can't figure something out for months until I ask about it here, then minutes later I find it.
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23:34<waonao>I get "option_space_encapsulate: option space agent does not exist, but is configured." when I do a dhclient. What does this mean? This only happen after a recent upgrade.
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23:51<lubos>how do I find out which package contains CSV_XS.pm .. thanks
23:52<gsimmons>!tell lubos -about search
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23:59<Aleric>I'm having problems with apt-get in a chroot :/
23:59<Aleric>Does anyone know off hand a package in contrib ?
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