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---Logopened Tue Feb 05 00:00:07 2008
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00:00<tmg1|cl131>beginner: isn't that a CVS repository web frontend?
00:00<beginner>a svn one but it seems not working with me
00:01<tmg1|cl131>as in you've tried to grab it using svn already to no avail?
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00:03<tmg1|cl131>hm...why isn't wget grabbing that
00:03<tmg1|cl131>odd
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00:06<beginner>I dont know perhaps the URL blocks it, but I just got it right now
00:06<beginner>thanks
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00:14<rickbot>beginner: there is a package called sitecopy that might help you and i think there are others too but i can't remember names
00:14<rickbot>but meant to download an entire site
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00:16<Owner>wget -m mirrors a site ;)
00:16<beginner>thanks rickbot I used links but I will install sitecopy ^^
00:17<rickbot>but i just noticed you are doing something with CVS? maybe this isn't the thing then
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00:17<chicago_pl>helo
00:17<chicago_pl>hello
00:17<Owner>!ask
00:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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00:21<tmg1|cl131>Owner: I tried -m it doesn't seem to work on that specific site
00:23<tmg1|cl131>sourceforge probably just wants it's users to use svn and be done with it
00:23<tmg1|cl131>but I have no idea
00:24<Owner>really not a very nice thing to copy an entire site !!
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00:50<JustSoul>Good morning...
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01:09<yitz>How do I check what files are in a package and where they are installed?
01:09<yitz>(like what Synaptic displays under properties)
01:09<gsimmons>yitz: dpkg -L foo
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01:09<yitz>@gsimmons: thanks
01:10<JustSoul>"mc" could open packages..
01:10<JustSoul>*can
01:10<yitz>bash: mc: command not found
01:10<yitz>Midnight Commander?
01:10<JustSoul>yes
01:10<yitz>Never used it...
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01:11<yitz>Just installed my first ever doc package. For wine. Just used wine for my first time, too, and I'm impressed!
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01:20<jason_>exciting
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01:31<W3ird_N3rd>blarson: it is known at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today but I wasn't sure if "An update of grub has already been uploaded." meant the new ISO would already have it or if it wasn't at that stage yet
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01:34<W3ird_N3rd>So apparently the update was uploaded somewhere else and has yet to make it to the ISO. I thought testing would be cool and didn't have much serious issues, but as this is imho quite a serious issue I guess I'll stick with stable for the time being. After all it is a "production" machine, and no geek is going to work on it.
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01:37<tmg1|cl131>...
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01:48<JustSoul>Again... Samba: Why in ads security mode windows-clients can't open smb-share, but in domain security mode everything ok. Network have MS AD.
01:49<JustSoul>other configurations doesn't changes
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01:52<Slydder>morning all
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01:53<JustSoul>and will this change (ads -> domain) will affect on winbind pam module
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01:54<JustSoul>Slydder: morning
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02:21<jim>!maint nvidia-kernel-source
02:21<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-source: Debian NVIDIA Maintainers <pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
02:22<jim>!info nvidia-kernel-source
02:22<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4993 kB, Installed size: 5044 kB
02:22<jim>any nvidia maints here?
02:22<jim>!info nvidia-kernel-source lenny
02:23<jim>hmm, so that package is new to sid
02:23<jim>or has bugs
02:24<rati>Hey I have machine in that I cant resolve dns entries If I set proxy than its working fine. I have dns entries perfect and I can ping to that servers also
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02:24<rati>so what could ne the problem
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02:29<JustSoul>How to allow kdm login root?
02:29<jim>you alter its config
02:29<jim>then restart it
02:29<JustSoul>ou, yes, thx
02:30<jim>it should be possible to allow root logins for only certain specific machines.... or for any machine... or for none
02:31<Slydder>hey all. am looking for something to replace tripwire. any suggestions? and don't start up with aide as they don't seem to be developing anymore.
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02:32<JustSoul>jim: My Boss ask it
02:33<NetEcho>anyone ever done a netinst inside VMware?
02:33<jim>if you find out how to restrict/allow for any group of machines that should satisfy your boss
02:34<jim>ask him what he wants
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02:42<JustSoul>jim: He want's root access on his machine. It's his wish.
02:43<JustSoul>No problem
02:43<JustSoul>He is BOSS
02:47<jim>true
02:47<jim>might as well let him have it
02:48<jim>so he wants unrestricted root access
02:48<kmap>Would it be reasonable to ask for help in debugging package build failures on particular architectures on debian-<port> mailing lists?
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02:49<jim>howbout when someone contacts the box via xdmcp
02:49<kmap>In the case when a package fails building due to, say a gcc regression, or an unknown error, I can't check since I don't have the arch machine hand...
02:49<jim>does he want root only when he is at the machine itself? or by remote graphical login?
02:49<kmap>Oh, sorry
02:50<kmap>My question was for -devel. :-)
02:50<JustSoul>jim: first one. about xdmcp nobody knows in our organisation
02:50<jim>I'd say go ahead and post a message to their list asking the same question
02:50<steven-m>any gizmo users here?
02:51<jim>JustSoul: then for now configure xdm to not listen to xdmcp requests over tcp
02:51<jim>root at the machine itself, that sounds like what he wants
02:52<JustSoul>jim: nobody knows because 99% is sitting on MS windows =)
02:53<JustSoul>jim: xdm=kdm ?
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02:54<jim>JustSoul: then don't tell them that there are several x implementations for windows that work pretty well :)
02:54<jim>free too
02:54<jim>xdm was first one, kdm, gdm came later, all three use xdmcp protocol
02:55<jim>I guess there's a wdm too, not sure
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02:57<JustSoul>jim: Our organisation want to change ms windows to debian. And now I preapre the first office machine. And also learning linux=).
02:57<JustSoul>in wdm is option do not listen port...
02:57<JustSoul>in kdm.. hm..
02:58<steven-m>any gizmo users here?
02:58<JustSoul>in kdm: ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp
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02:58<jim>JustSoul: the debian default for all *dms is to not listen (I think)
02:58<JustSoul>jim: that's one?
02:58<jim>yeah
03:00<JustSoul>and about remote control..
03:00<JustSoul>is it smth except vnc?
03:00<jim>so what do you think about linux in general so far? also, what do you think about using linux for business? do you think training will be easy?
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03:01<stuart>hi, can someone please help me moun/tunmount disks
03:02<SpeedyG>stuart: that depends on the problem you're having I guess
03:02<jim>what disk you want to mount? what disk you wnt to unmount? what names do they have?
03:02<jim>yeah, what help do you need
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03:02<stuart>the issue is that i got an external hard disk and...
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03:03<JustSoul>jim: in general.. it's very interesting! =) about business: HARD, because some (most) windows-based programs. training: I making desktop similar as windows. And half of office now sitting at Openoffice
03:03<stuart>...i formatted it as ntfs and the rest ext2 beciase Linux couldn't mount the NTFS partition (at least that is what nautilus said)
03:03<jim>how's that going for the openoffice sitters/
03:03<jim>?
03:03<stuart>so i seem to have write access to the ext2 partition
03:04<stuart>but not to the other == issue no 1
03:04<JustSoul>jim: only some problems with "filters"
03:04<stuart>also my 3rd internal hard drive which i think is NTFS is now not showing up == issue 2
03:05<JustSoul>You can freely mount NTFS as read only.
03:05<jim>write access by linux to ntfs is not very well defined (it's defined by a driver where guesses were made, they had some good luck)
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03:06<stuart>i want to be able to transfer files between a windows and linux computer
03:06<stuart>how best to go about that?
03:06<JustSoul>use vmware
03:06<jim>maybe samba?
03:06<JustSoul>in one PC
03:06<stuart>nah i cant get that to work
03:06<stuart>2 pcs
03:06<JustSoul>samba
03:07<JustSoul>now I testing it =)
03:07<stuart>samba -- i set up a windows share and i cant connect :(
03:07<suiside>stuart: ftp? scp?
03:07<JustSoul>stuart: You need smbmount
03:07<stuart>id really like to get the disk thing happening for when the computers aren't on a Lan
03:08<stuart>justsoul: ok thanks ill give that a go later
03:08<stuart>nautilus recognised the disk but when i unmounted it is still showing up
03:08<stuart>(even after i 'safely' removed it)
03:09<jim>to have a linux box connect and mount windows shares just requires smbfs and smbmount
03:09<NetEcho>man vmware is running debian pretty nicely
03:10<jim>to have a windows box connect to a linux box with samba shares requires the linux box to be running samba or something like it
03:11<stuart>that is 2nd priority for me -- i did install samba (not sure about those other components) but still had problems. Possibly due to a firewall (though from memory i think i tried turning them off and still no dice)
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03:14<jim>well not really sure what to say... you're not saying a lot about why these things are happening and the next thing you know here, is no one can help you
03:15<jim>yet
03:15<jim>not until
03:15<jim>you say something specific ;)
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03:15<stuart>jim: OK, im intrigued about the networking thing i had not installed smbfs (not part of smba package). How about smbmount -- i cannot find that package?
03:16<jim>the thing you might do is pick one specific thing you want to try and pursue that
03:16<stuart>samba package i mean
03:16<stuart>ok lets do disks
03:16<jim>smbfs is a kernel module
03:16<jim>hmm
03:16<jim>!find smbmount
03:16<stuart>ok -- i will try networking again later -- looks like i hadn't installed everything required
03:16<dpkg>Debian Search of 'smbmount' (3): (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/manpages/smbmount.8.html) in doc/samba-doc ;; (/usr/share/locale/km/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-km.
03:17<jim>according to that, you'd try: apt-get install smbfs
03:17<stuart>in synaptic a search for smbfs show nothing
03:17<jim>hmm.
03:17<stuart>sorry
03:17<stuart>it does
03:18<jim>wonder if you have contrib and non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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03:18<stuart>the kernel smbmount thing was what i couldnt find to install -- but u said it was built into the kernel
03:18<jim>(and whether that's actually the problem :)
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03:18<alexandru123>hello i have a question is posibile to make an iso debian but with the last kernel 2.6.24
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03:19<jim>built into? well not exactly, but it should be a module which, when installed and then added to the kernel using modprobe, it functions as if it's part of the kernel
03:19<jim>(true of all kernel modules)
03:19<stuart>do i need to install it or does it get installed when i install "samba"?
03:20<cahoot>stuart: if you use debian kernels all you need will be there
03:21<stuart>thanks cahoot
03:21<stuart>ok back to the disks
03:21<jim>cahoot: so smbfs and smbmount are in the kernel image packages?
03:21<jim>pick one thing you want among the disks thing
03:21<jim>work on that
03:21<stuart>smbfs had to be explicitly installed
03:21<JustSoul>Again... Samba: Why in ads security mode windows-clients can't open smb-share, but in domain security mode everything ok. Network have MS AD.
03:22<stuart>that was definitely missing according to synaptic
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03:22<jim>then go to the next
03:22<cahoot>isn't cifs the preferred one?
03:22<jim>dunno, what's that?
03:22<stuart>ok unmounting via nautilus
03:22<gsimmons>JustSoul: You might want to try asking in #samba on irc.freenode.net.
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03:22<stuart>you right click on a drive and select unmount
03:23<stuart>in the case of a removable drive it says "safe to remove"
03:23<jim>can I also ask them to play "Girl From Ipanema"? :)
03:23<stuart>however the drive is still listed
03:23<stuart>what gives?
03:23<stuart>and i found a command on th Internet.... !find smbmount
03:24<stuart>not that one lol this one: fdisk -l
03:24<jim>oh, that lists partitions :)
03:24<stuart>the removable drive still shows up
03:25<stuart>(although to complicate matter the removable drive is the same size as one of the internals -- but the ntfs/ext2 partitions showed up too so I assume it is still listing them despite the drive not even being plugged in)
03:25<stuart>ie. im fairly sure im not looking at the "wrong" disk
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03:26<jim>sounds like it kept the partition table in ram
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03:26<hell-jack>hey
03:26<jim>horse
03:26<hell-jack>which one is better xmms or audiocious
03:26<jim>!better
03:26<dpkg>methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
03:26<cahoot>you already got an answer to that
03:27<stuart>jim it lists 3 disks
03:27<jim>maybe you want to know which one is -best-
03:27<cahoot>hell-jack: polls are not useful - try /msg dpkg popcon
03:27<jim>!best
03:27<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
03:27<stuart>jim including the 1 that has been removed but not the 3rd internal disk (there would be 4 total)
03:28<stuart>jim: so how to purge that list and get my 3 internals showing up?
03:28<jim>they don't show up?
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03:28<stuart>jim if indeed it is in ram -- despite the you can safely remove your hardware message
03:28<jim>they don't show up in fdisk -l even?
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03:29<stuart>only 3 out of 4 (and 1 of those 3 is the defunct external disk)
03:29<stuart>no
03:29<stuart>and unless it has died in the last 2 hours the disk is known to be good
03:29<jim>safe remove probably means: when you connected the drive, I mounted it... when you asked me to unmount, I did, and at that point it would be safe to remove
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03:30<stuart>yes, but you;'d expect it to stop listing the thing in nautilus and via fdisk -l
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03:30<stuart>i guess i can live with that, but my other disk "vanishing" is a problem
03:30<jim>probably nautilus lists what fdisk -l sees
03:30<stuart>ok
03:31<stuart>is there a way to restart it -- clear the list and get it to probe attached disks again without a reboot?
03:31<jim>this thing about the drives either vanishing or not showing up is what's confusing me
03:31<stuart>do you want me to reboot without the external connected and verify i can still access the missing disk?
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03:31<jim>I dunno that there is
03:32<jim>well it would be nice to know why it's missing
03:32<jim>verification is ok I guess, but I'm not totally sure it would get us closer to knowing what the problem is
03:32<stuart>sure -- better double check the wretched thing is still working..... can you give me 5mins?
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03:33<jim>hmm. direct answer, I want to go to store soon :) so, maybe :) but indirect: there are people way wayyy better than me at this aspect
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03:34<jim>I havenm't been doing ntfs on linux for example
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03:34<stuart>let's forget about ntfs at the moment -- if at least 1 partition on the disk is ext2...
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03:34<stuart>jim r u there
03:34<morgan`>hello
03:34<jim>wat are dey doing!!
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03:35<stuart>ill be back after a reboot
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03:35<alexandru123>come on is posibile to make an iso dvd with debian but to put the latest kernel in him and of course to boot and instal from the latest kernel?
03:35<JustSoul>jim: ext3 have acl-tables?
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03:36<jim>not sure, maybe... xfs does, but be warned... xfs does NOT like being powered down suddenly. use a UPS on such machines
03:36<jim>morgan`: fairchild?
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03:38<stuart>jim ?
03:38<jim>yeah, here still :)
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03:38<jim>alexandru123: do you absolutely need the latest kernel to -install-?
03:38<stuart>guess what the external drive partitions show up (with an option to mount which i haven't tried becuase the disk is not attached)
03:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 322] by debhelper
03:39<stuart>also the missing disk is still misisng
03:39<stuart>:(
03:39<morgan`>jim, what ?
03:39<alexandru123>yes i have a del optiplex 755 and debian didnt see the network card is a intel gigabite 825xx
03:39<jim>if you can use the available kernel to get debian base on the machine, you can install a later kernel afterward
03:39<jim>or even build your own
03:40<jim>you don't need a net card
03:40<jim>if you have that cd, you should be able to install just the base
03:40<jim>(is that true?)
03:40<alexandru123>yes but after i recompile the kernel the sisstem didn boot
03:40<jim>oh, ok
03:40<jim>but you got it installed
03:40<JustSoul>jim: "Operation not supported" - by default ext3 doesn't have acl =(((
03:40<stuart>i think you are right about nautilus relying on fdisk -l the "output" from both still agrees
03:41<alexandru123>i put the new driver e1000e but i dont now if it work
03:41<jim>fdisk -l in turn relies on the kernel's copy of the partition tables
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03:41<jim>alexandru123: would you be willing to try the latest available debian kernel?
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03:42<stuart>ok, i think i am going to reformat the external drive as ext2 only and troubleshoot from there rather than bring ntfs into the equation
03:42<jim>is it that you want to support that net card? is that the only remaining issue?
03:42<stuart>but first dinner :)
03:42<jim>yeah!
03:42<jim>fuued!
03:43<stuart>thanks for your help!!
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03:43<JustSoul>jim: oops, sorry. If you (I) want to have acl in ext3, you need acl-option, whem mount it =)
03:43<jim>sure. hope you got something out of that
03:43<stuart>i did
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03:43<jim>JustSoul: so, it does work?
03:44<JustSoul>jim: hm, i need to reboot, for check it =)
03:44<jim>it has to go in the /etc/fstab
03:44<jim>with the acl-option thingy
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03:45<ivan>фсем привет
03:45<JustSoul>jim: is it possible to remount root?
03:45<JustSoul>!ru
03:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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03:46<JustSoul>ivan: По англицки пжалста
03:46<JustSoul>jim: is it possible to remount root without rebooting?
03:47<jim>yes
03:47<JustSoul>mount -r /
03:47<JustSoul>?
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03:47<jim>mount -o remount,moreoptionshere /
03:47<jim>maybe?
03:47<jim>man mount while I go to store :)
03:47<JustSoul>1 moment
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03:48<JustSoul>"mount -o remount,acl"
03:48<JustSoul>with / =)
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03:49<jim>and the partition you want to remount
03:49<jim>oh, yeah, with /
03:49<JustSoul>it's work!
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03:49<jim>yes, it's work to try compiling stuff... it
03:50<jim>err, it's work to move all those 2x4s...
03:50<jim>it's work to learn all those tunes
03:50<jim>but when you get something right, and it is doing what you want.... you can say:
03:50<jim>it works!
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03:51<JustSoul>jim: what is 2x4s ?
03:51<hell-jack>http://paste.debian.net/48460
03:52<jim>wood in long lengths that are cut to 2 inches deep by 4 inches wide
03:52<jim>2 by 4
03:52<JustSoul>ok
03:53<jim>it's work to carry 2x4s!
03:53<jim>but when you put them in your house, and they support your roof properly, and you do the electrical wiring and the light lights up....
03:53<jim>it works!
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03:55<jim>btw, "it's work" is really: "it is work"
03:55<JustSoul>ou; And now I searching for differents between acls and permissions
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04:03<tmg1|cl131>Is there a way to force the kernel to be installed off something other than the install media, even if it's the same version number of kernel?
04:03<tmg1|cl131>(?)
04:04<tmg1|cl131>other than compiling on another computer, kpkging, and sending the debs one by one using a webserver or something
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04:10<JustSoul>!acl
04:10<dpkg>hmm... acl is Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/
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04:12<tmg1|cl131>As far as I know, the only kernel that the install media allows to run on a 586 platform is the 486 ones. But that one doesn't seem to work; since it defaults to the kernel that came with the install media instead of using one with the modules necessary to run my pcmcia ethernet card(dfe650/ne2000)
04:12<tmg1|cl131>is there any other way of putting working pcmcia modules on? I'm starting to run out of ideas
04:13<Schreck>Hi ! :)
04:13<Schreck>ssh-agent manages the keys for auth... Is there any tool that can manage password accounts ?
04:14<Schreck>I would like to make a script that connect with sftp... And this server has a key auth and au password auth
04:14<suiside>tmg1|cl131: have you checked that the pcmcia services start after the initial reboot?
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04:16<Slydder>!aide
04:16<dpkg>i heard aide is a free (GPL'ed) replacement for almost-free (free for non-commercial use) tripwire http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide./ or a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cryptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Lamer's terms: It tells you if you've been h4X0r3d, cr4X0r3d, r00t3d, and 100t3d and 0wn3d.
04:16<Slydder>!integrit
04:17<Slydder>!tripwire
04:17<dpkg>hmm... tripwire is a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cyrptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Layman's terms: It tells you if you've been haX03d and 0w3n3d.. Use AIDE instead, or for open source tripwire see http://www.tripwire.org/ and for CVS instructions see http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3130
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04:17<Slydder>naaaaa. use all three
04:17<Slydder>but of course only use tripwire to secure aide and integrit
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04:34<NetEcho>where does the etch netinst install the kernel headers?
04:34<NetEcho>they don't seem to be in /usr/src
04:35<weasel>!installit
04:35<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
04:35<jim>NetEcho: netinst probably only contains the base... the headers are available over the net tho
04:36<noflash>he's cross posting
04:36<NetEcho>ok and how do I install the proper headers for my kernel?
04:36<gsimmons>NetEcho: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
04:36<jim>for what purpose, btw?
04:36<NetEcho>so I can install vmware tools
04:36<NetEcho>gsimmons thanks
04:37<jim>ahh, which are kernel modules?
04:37<jim>or partly so?
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04:37<NetEcho>jim I think so
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04:37<jim>yeah, you'd need the kernel headers for that.
04:37<jim>however
04:37<NetEcho>yea the installer for it is asking for the headers
04:38<jim>the headers which were present when libc was built are the ones you -generally- want for most non-kernel things
04:38<jim>and those get installed as part of libc dev
04:39<NetEcho>I hate broken network cables
04:39<jim>I love working broken network cables!
04:39<NetEcho>yea but this one keeps popping out
04:40<weasel>then throw it away
04:40<jim>oh, the tab is broke on the plug
04:40<NetEcho>don't have a replacement for it
04:40*weasel shakes head
04:40<jim>STOP SHAKING MY HEAD!!
04:41<weasel>but it won't come loose
04:41<jim>sheesh! I hate it when people do that!
04:41<NetEcho>ln -s /dir /newdir will create a symlink right
04:41<jim>and it's even worse when weasels do it!
04:41<weasel>why would you symlink anything?
04:42<NetEcho>linux-* to linux/
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04:42<weasel>you shouldn't need to.
04:42<jim>NetEcho: yeah, you don't have to do that if you don't want
04:42<NetEcho>nah its just cause I can't cut and paste into this damned terminal yet
04:44<NetEcho>hrm does not contain version.h
04:44<NetEcho>there we go
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04:44<Kebianizao|work>Hello
04:45<Kebianizao|work>sorry, wrong channel
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04:56<kimber>Hello! I've just installed Debian Xfce on an old system that was too lsow for Gnome and I have two annoying problems which may be related. Firstly, the system doesn't poweroff properly Instead it gets to the point where it says "System Halted" and then stops. I've noticed the disks and fan have stopped at this point, so I'm not sure why it doesn't complete the poweroff. Any ideas where to look?
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04:57<jim>kimber, old? how old? at? atx?
04:57<kimber>233 with 64 ram
04:57<kimber>It is OLD
04:57<kimber>Xfce seems to run ok though
04:57<jim>is the power button wired with the full wall power? or is it a tiny wire?
04:58<kimber>jim it's a small wire
04:58<kimber>It did power off with windows 95
04:58<jim>so it should probably work :)
04:59<kimber>that was along time ago though
04:59<jim>there is this power system lately called ACPI
04:59<kimber>I think my second issue - resolution settings aren't saved - is probably related to the first inasmuch as the system never finishes shutdown - that's logical?
05:00<jim>the older one was what, APM (advanced power management)?
05:00<kimber>jim a lot of the systems I've tried have had to force acpi
05:00<NetEcho>whats the command to switch to the KDE session manager?
05:00<kimber>But Debian didn't do that not that I saw
05:00<jim>-maybe- your old system doesn't understand acpi
05:01<kimber>I don't think it does Jim so how did windows 95 complete the shutdown?
05:01<NetEcho>dpkg reconfigure or something like that
05:01<jim>windows 95 may have both? either can do auto shutdowns
05:01<JustSoul>in kernel 2.4* you can use apm instead acpi, in kernel 2.6 -maybe- it's impossible
05:01<jim>also look at the bios settings and (before you do that) at dmesg
05:02<jim>kimber: your "ly" is missing! what happened?!
05:02<kimber>JustSoul that explains why Damnsmalllinux could shutdown - it is based on 2.4
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05:02<kimber>jim :)
05:02<jim>you didn't like the ly?
05:03<kimber>I was thinking of that old series with Richard Kimber
05:03<kimber>Bet you're much to young to remember that :(
05:03<jim>which series?
05:03<kimber>The Fugitive
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05:03<kimber>actually it was Kimble
05:04<kimber>but lets not split hairs LOL
05:04<jim>actually, I never got into the fugitive
05:04<tmg1|cl131>suiside: first attempt, they did not no. couldn't modprobe 'em back in either. now I've got it to the point where pcmcia is starting, the pcmcia bridge(?) is being sensed, and the pc_net module successfully loads, but no network flags
05:04<tmg1|cl131>(?)
05:04<jim>so Kimble was missing an er
05:04<kimber>Probably
05:04<jim>but I digress
05:05<kimber>It was a long time ago
05:05<kimber>jim so I need to look at my bios for dmesg?
05:05<jim>around the time MI was a series and not a 007-copying movie
05:05<jim>well look at output of dmesg
05:05<jim>that might have some clues
05:05<kimber>jim exactly
05:06<jim>and/or watch the boot process a lot :)
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05:06<kimber>I might have to use locate to find that hang on
05:06<tmg1|cl131>I swear to SERVER I had all the right steps
05:06<tmg1|cl131>it took you asking me that to make sure I had 'em in the right order
05:06<tmg1|cl131>oh well, nothing like 9+ hours of trying to go through every single possible permutation but one
05:06<tmg1|cl131>;)
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05:07<jim>did you learn anything cool?
05:07<tmg1|cl131>suiside: do you use ripple?
05:07<jim>kimber: type: dmesg | less
05:07<jim>and just look thru it
05:08<kimber>at the minute it's saying permission denied
05:08<kimber>I'll have to be sudo
05:08<jim>could you show the whole line?
05:08<jim>of the message
05:09<kimber>Can I paste it here?
05:09<jim>it's one line, right?
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05:10<kimber>Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with "lapic"
05:10<kimber>Is that what I need to do?
05:10<jim>not sure
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05:10<jim>I don't know what an apic is
05:11<kimber>Nor me
05:11<kimber>Now i'm stumped
05:11<JustSoul>!apic
05:11<dpkg>i guess apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs.
05:12<jim>oh, maybe that has to do with the power button maybe not
05:12<kimber>ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
05:12<jim>I know someone who's last name is Silber
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05:13<knoppix_>g
05:13<jim>h
05:14<kimber>there a bit of stuff in there about me having a low memory but there's not a lot i can do about that unless I visit a museum LOL
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05:14<kimber>jim I thought this linux stuff was easy until I started with ths antique machine :)
05:14<raz0rsedge>hi there.
05:14<jim>knoppixes evidently don't like being Guests
05:15<jim>well for that you have to know how the old hardware works
05:15<kimber>Mind you in fairness this is the first real system of any kind that I've got on here
05:16<JustSoul>kimber: try to read about apmd
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05:16<kimber>I will I'll make a note of this
05:17<kimber>Of course i'm mad getting this old machine down from the loft in the first place really :)
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05:18<kimber>It is very Green though :)
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05:18<JustSoul>At my OLD notebook I had problems with acpid
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05:19<gsimmons>kimber: Try adding "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line (see bug #390547).
05:19<jim>I'ts not easy....
05:19<jim>being green...
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05:19<kimber>gsimmons thanks I'll look at that
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05:19<jim>kimber: hey, you could just reboot and give that a shot :)
05:20<kimber>Hang on let's see
05:20<kimber>Where do I add that line
05:20<kimber>?
05:20<JustSoul>grub/lilo
05:21<jim>at the boot prompt... what do you run as a boot loader?
05:21<kimber>Grub
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05:21<JustSoul>press "e" in boot screen
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05:21<jim>ok, so you could edit your command line once or every time
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05:22<jim>and you'd have kernel /path/to/vmlinuz_of_some_flavor
05:22<jim>and you'd add to it after the end of that
05:23<kimber>this is in the menu isn't it hang on
05:23<JustSoul>smth like: "/boot/vmlinuz ro acpi=off apm=power_off"
05:23<jim>yeah, you could do it from the menu
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05:23<jim>or you could edit (what is usually called) menu.lst
05:24<kimber>that's what I was looking at
05:25<jim>see the kernel lines?
05:25<mario>hi, i have to setup a keyserver for gpg public keys, which program have to use?
05:25<kimber>it has the boot sequence repeated twice is there any reason for that?
05:25<jim>the second one might be for a different kernel?
05:25<JustSoul>kimber: second is failsafe (commonly)
05:26<kimber>right that makes sense yeah
05:26<jim>debian's kernel finder/grub incorporator does that
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05:27<jim>it writes out a menu.lst which has two entries for each kernel found
05:27<Slydder>you are actually wanting to run windows on a linux box? lol.
05:28<JustSoul>?
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05:28<Slydder>sorry. wrong chat window. lol
05:29<Baggy2>Can I use __attribute__ ((aligned (4),packed)) on a class?
05:29<kimber>Right I've done that so I may or may not be back cos I don't have cli chat client if the window system fails :)
05:29<kimber>seeya in five
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05:34<aptituz>mario: probably onak
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05:35<W3ird_N3rd>okay, I've messed up.. I put a laptop harddrive in a modern Pentium M laptop and installed a Debian base system with CD. I took the harddrive out of it and put it into a IBM Thinkpad 560X (Pentium MM). I guess -686 kernels don't work on Pentium MMX (585) CPU's. :-(
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05:36<W3ird_N3rd>*Pentium MMX
05:36<W3ird_N3rd>*586
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05:37<Slydder>so that's why they are called x586 and not x686
05:37<Slydder>always wondered.
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05:38<gsimmons>W3ird_N3rd: You'd need to install the -486 kernel variant, then.
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05:40<jim>what did you find out
05:41<kimber>Well I solved the second issue first the not saving res settings was nothing to do with Debian at all it was an xfce setting - you have to set it to save the last session whereas Gnome does that as the default. Still have the shutdown problem though.
05:41<W3ird_N3rd>I didn't notice what kernel it had till I saw I couldn't get past GRUB :-)
05:41<W3ird_N3rd>* :-(
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05:43<W3ird_N3rd>I know, I'll need the 486 variant. But I'm not sure how I'm going to install that. The installer doesn't seem to have options for this (well, couldn't find it yet), I don't feel like getting the harddisk out of the 560x again, the 560x has no CD, only non-bootable USB and cardbus, no floppy..
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05:43<W3ird_N3rd>I should get a floppydrive today though. I don't see any other way
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05:44<kimber>I have to go - back at this tomorrow
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05:47<gsimmons>W3ird_N3rd: You'll need to install it in your system somehow. You can select a specific kernel image during installation in expert mode. Else, install the "linux-image-2.6-486" package.
05:50<angah>hi..got problem with this.. >> http://pastebin.com/m427d59d7 how to solve it? any idea?
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05:50<gsimmons>!tell angah -about ubuntu
05:51<W3ird_N3rd>ah, it can be done in expert. I tried firing up the install with expert but didn't directly see options, but that would be later on in the installer. Installing the package won't be possible from the 560x as I have no way of booting it up. I hope my floppydrive for it will arrive today..
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05:58<W3ird_N3rd>I wanted to answer angah, but angah left in 2 minutes..
05:59<drmay>hello, I am a linuxeer software project manager, looking 4 debianitas with strong c++ skills to do remote work, private me please
05:59<Gekz>drmay: I has skillz dat killz.
06:01<JustSoul>I have no c++ skills =(
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06:09<noble->I get conflicting info from dpkg on blootbot, he says infobot is now blootbot, then he says blootbot is now just infobot, which is it?
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06:16<themill>noble-: it's a very bastardised bot indeed with lots of debian-specific enhancements
06:17<themill>noble-: http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/infobot/branches/don/dpkg/
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06:17<sacabera>hola
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06:19<sacabera>cuelgue en instalación
06:19<noble->yeah I tried installing it last week with apt-get and it had many comlpaints, so I installed all the packages it mentioned and it still wouldn't work
06:19<themill>!es
06:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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06:36<T00L>hi, does NAPT-router (Network Adress Port Traslation) forward Ports?
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06:41<Knorrie>yes
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06:55<nolit>can someone help me with wide screen resolution problem?
06:56<gsimmons>nolit: Just go ahead and state your problem.
06:56<gsimmons>!ask
06:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:57<nolit>ok, I am on Slackware 12, can I still ask? :)
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06:58<streuner>try #slackware on freenode or such
06:58<nolit>I have old riva tnt 2 card and asus vw193s tft monitor. Windows XP shows 1440x900, but Slackware can show only 800x600.
06:59<nolit>streuner: thanks, I will try there
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07:03<Wesley>Anyone got any experience with hotmail, mails in the junk folder?
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07:12<AbsintheSyringe>Wesley, yea email from my server ending up in their junk folder
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07:26<JustSoul>yo
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07:28<Baggy2>if compile some libraries in my project with -O2 and some with -O0, could that make my app unstable?
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07:34<Wesley>AbsintheSyringe, no solution on your side?
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07:36<andresvia>Hello!
07:37<andresvia>I define this line in apt.conf Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy.udistrital.edu.co:3128"; but is not working... what can I do?
07:39-!-mode/#debian [+l 315] by debhelper
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07:41<andresvia>I don't want to configure an apt-proxy server I just want to download packages trought a proxy without needing to configure enviroment variables.
07:42<andresvia>Or... where do I configure global environment variables to all users? /etc/profile, are these just to shells?
07:43<themill>andresvia: I use this in /etc/apt/apt/conf.d/10Proxy : http://rafb.net/p/A3i52C31.html
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07:43<gsimmons>andresvia: Is the proxy server contactable? Use "nc -vz -w10 proxy.udistrital.edu.co 3128" to verify.
07:44<blarson>Baggy2: If it did, it would be a compiler bug.
07:44<andresvia>I'm chatting trought it right now.
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07:44<gsimmons>andresvia: Then paste the output you receive from your apt-get/aptitude run.
07:44<gsimmons>!tell andresvia -about bat
07:45<themill>andresvia: But you can set the environment variable in somewhere like /etc/profile.d/proxy.sh to make it sitewide.
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07:58<rnhurt>I have an APT repository question. Is there are better group than this one to ask APT questions?
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07:59<themill>rnhurt: if you're using debian, we can try to help. #debian-mentors is another place to ask if you don't get answers here.
07:59<rnhurt>Ah yes, I am using Debian.
08:00<rnhurt>I am creating a private APT repository for my company.
08:00<rnhurt>I have apt-mirror set up and its working fine. Now I have two problems (questions).
08:01<rnhurt>First, in order to provide my own packages (i.e. BoxBackup) I just need to create a new [private] directory under ../dists/stable/private
08:01<Slydder>interesting. attempting to install tripwire 2.4.1.2 and get the following when i run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-static: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
08:02<rnhurt>And then change my deb line to be something like "deb http://my.company.com/debian private main"
08:02<rnhurt>Right?
08:02<rnhurt>(after generating the Packages.gz file of course)
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08:04<lorenzo>hat.com
08:04<themill>umm.... sounds right up to the deb line, but I've never done it. The deb line would be "stable private" from what you say there.
08:04<themill>!repository
08:04<dpkg>debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
08:04<themill>!own repo
08:04<dpkg>Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";
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08:04<themill>rnhurt: ^^ those two might help
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08:05<themill>!info reprepro
08:05<rnhurt>Ah, yes I think your right.
08:05<dpkg>reprepro: (debian package repository producer), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 271 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
08:06<rnhurt>Now my harder question is: how do I customize a particular package for my installation?
08:06<themill>rnhurt: I always use reprepro for managing repos, but they're fairly small scale things that only have my own packages in them.
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08:06<rnhurt>Let's say I want to install Zabbix-Agent with a predefined config file.
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08:07<rnhurt>I don't want to completely override the Debian package but I would like to change the config a bit after it gets installed. Is there an easy way to do that?
08:07<ruby>madiun
08:07<ruby>medan
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08:08<rnhurt>themill: Could I use reprepro to repackage existing packages with slightly different config settings and then publish them to my [private] dist?
08:09<T00L>hi, does NAPT-router (Network Adress Port Traslation) forward Ports?
08:09<themill>rnhurt: possibly. There's also a tool to let you edit files within a .deb
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08:09<rnhurt>themill: Editing the package might be a better answer. It still means quite a bit of work as the package is updated by the Debian group.
08:09<noble->is there a list somewhere of all the packages I need to install on debian for blootbot to run?
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08:10<rnhurt>I think that it might be better to be able to modify the config after the package has been installed. :/
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08:11<themill>rnhurt: Indeed. You could roll your own package that replaced config files with your ones (use dpkg-divert to move the maintainer files out of the way if you want)
08:11<rnhurt>Hmmm....that sounds interesting.
08:13<rnhurt>themill: So what your saying is to build my "config-only" packages with dependencies on the real package. That way the real package gets installed and then I install my config files right over the top of the old one.
08:15<themill>rnhurt: I'm not sure whether the diversions will work if you do it that way around, but you can try. man dpkg-divert for more info on the diversions. You will need to read the nmg for more info about making packages. /msg dpkg nmg
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08:16<rnhurt>themill: <thanks for the IRC tips. I'm pretty much an IRC newbie :/ >
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08:16<alex>*
08:16<alex>d
08:16<alex>sa
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08:17<themill>rnhurt: np. You've got to know what factoids are available to ask dpkg about too... that can slow you down. You can also /msg dpkg search dpkg
08:17<rnhurt>themill: :)
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08:25<T00L>!napt
08:25<dpkg>it has been said that napt is network address and port translation
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08:27<T00L>can someone tell me, where can I get help about network,?
08:28<digger>русские есть?
08:28<noflash>T00L, if it's debian specific you could ask here
08:29<vin`>Daily build #2 for i386, using installer build from sid
08:29<vin`>sorry
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08:30<jMCg>Hello folks.
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08:30<T00L>noflash, I did
08:30<T00L>hi, does NAPT-router (Network Adress Port Traslation) forward Ports?
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08:32<JustSoul>digger: есть
08:32<JustSoul>!tell digger ru
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08:34<jMCg>I just setup Debian [Lenny, amd64] on this workstation and installed [compiled from source] fglrx module, configured xorg.conf for a dual-head setup, but it apears as though KDE is boldly ignoring it. -- Both monitors are showing the same scree..oh.. hmm...
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08:37<jMCg>http://paste.debian.net/48474 << This is my xorg.conf
08:37<jMCg>If someone can see something obvious, pray tell.
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08:40<JustSoul>jMCg: I think smth missing
08:41<jMCg>Like an 'o', an 'e' and an 'i' and a 'n' as well...
08:41<pavillion_>jMCg, I am not expert but I think there should be two screen sections. You should run XConfigurator, and then delete whats no good, like usuall if you add two vid cards, the bios diables the first on board card, so you would want to delete
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08:41<wo0f>hmm yeh, how do i set the resolution to 1440x900
08:41<jMCg>pavillion_: there are not two video cards. There's just one dual-head card.
08:42<wo0f>iv looked a x's cfg with no luck
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08:43<blarson>wo0f: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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08:46<digger>jMCg: try to use this http://paste.debian.net/48477
08:47<digger>it's my old config, maybe it help you
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08:54<HuisKoopFlok>what happens with bugreports for packages whos maintainer fell of the earth?
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08:55<pavillion_>jMCg, I never used dual head, but I am guessing it will have two screens, did you try Xconfigurator
08:56<themill>HuisKoopFlok: the package will eventually be orphaned by the MIA team. If it's horribly buggy and no-one offers to look after it, it will be removed from debian.
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08:57<andresvia>Hello!
08:57<pavillion_>jMCg, xdebconfigurator\
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08:58<andresvia>The problem with the apt.conf proxy was the Acquire keyword, it must be in all CAPS\
08:58<andresvia>Now I have another question :)
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09:03<andresvia>I have the root partition in a LVM volume, the kernel root parameter is set OK, but the booting stops at "mounting root filesystem" do I need something additional in the initrd to do that?
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09:04<pavillion_>what is that program that autoconfigures X, I can't find it, I remember it was something like Xconfigurator
09:05<themill>!drxx
09:05<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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09:08<Azoff>hello
09:08<hrgb>:)
09:08<digger>andresvia: you must update your old initrd
09:08<digger>andresvia: man update-initramfs
09:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 321] by debhelper
09:09<andresvia>Ok. I will do that.
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09:09<Azoff>is there any way to make a user be able to recieve "banned" files in mail? the mails are banned as they contain attachments (.exe files) that's normaly not allowed at the smtp (postfix with amavisd-new).
09:09<Azoff>I'm running etch by the way
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09:10<themill>Azoff: most mail scanning software is braindead enough that changing the extension will work (e.g. .exe => .xxx)
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09:11<Azoff>themill: yes, but that's not what I want... I want to allow some recivers to get .exe files that are globaly banned on the server
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09:11<Durk>Hi all... anyone up?
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09:12<valdyn>Azoff: if they are supposed to be intelligent enough to deal with potentially dangerous .exe files, why cant they work around the filter?
09:12<themill>Azoff: hmm... no idea then, other than to route their mail around amavis so it's not scanned at all. Or allow them to pick things up out of a quarantine themselves.
09:12<ranix>Azoff: in Exim you would just put an 'accept if' style line before the reject for the antivirus
09:12<Azoff>valdyn: it's not the sending part that's worng, the recieving....
09:13<Durk>I'm trying to install devian etch on an ibm x346 with one of those crappy onbaord raid cards... is there a driver for those that I can easily use?
09:13<ranix>Azoff: you should always check outgoing messages against the same criteria as incoming messages
09:13<Azoff>hm
09:13<Azoff>force it to go arround amavisd-new sounds like what I want..
09:13<ranix>it alerts the IT department instantly to compromised workstations if they try to send outgoing mail with viruses or something
09:14<ranix>because the user calls them and says "why is this email not going out"
09:14<Azoff>mail are delivered to my postfix by fetchmail, can I set it to deliver at another port that 25 on localhost?
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09:15<JustSoul>Whats mean %"wa" in 'top' ?
09:15<pavillion_>themill, there is another xserver configurator I remember, cause dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do dual monitor
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09:15<gsimmons>JustSoul: man top
09:15<ranix>pavillion_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf hand edits are better than relying on a configuration program
09:16<ranix>pavillion_: there is a man xorg.conf and an endless list of howtos on google
09:16<JustSoul>iowait, thx
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09:17<JustSoul>gsimmons: if wa=100% when copy fdrom cd/dvd, that's mean no dma?
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09:18<pavillion_>ranix, there is xdebconfigurator, but I guess the xconfigurator tool is no longer available?
09:19<ranix>pavillion_: I wouldn't use it if it was
09:19<pavillion_>ranix, ok
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09:21<pavillion_>!X
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09:26<andresvia>Ok, I going to reboot now. Thanks :)
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09:29<bcochofel>Hi, I have removed ssh from my system and --purge the ssh. Now I want to install it again but /etc/ssh gets empty after the installation
09:29<bcochofel>How can I force the config part to write the files needed to work?
09:29<gsimmons>!tell bcochofel -about confmiss
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09:31<bcochofel>gsimmons: I've tried that but still ssh dir is empty
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09:36<bcochofel>gsimmons: I have tried both cmds and still get the same behaviour
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09:36<bcochofel>gsimmons: do you have any idea of what I can do?
09:37<ranix>bcochofel: did you do dpkg-reconfigure --plow openssh ?
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09:37<bcochofel>ranix: nop
09:37<ranix>don't know if it will do anything
09:37<ranix>worth a shot though
09:38<bcochofel>ranix: here it goes
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09:38<bcochofel>ranix: I get Unknown option: plow
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09:38<ranix>o.O
09:39<ghostface>does anyone know working plugin for ircops on xchat ?
09:39<gsimmons>bcochofel: Run the confmiss commands on the 'openssh-server' and 'openssh-client' packages, rather than the transitional 'ssh' package.
09:39<ranix>oh it's -plow not --plow
09:40<ranix>bcochofel: pay attention to gsimmons though, he knows more about this than me
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09:40<bcochofel>gsimmons: ok, I've done that in ssh
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09:42<zenithman>hello!
09:42<Wesley>postfix/smtpd[22035]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Permission denied - I have a debian
09:42<Wesley>Any suggestions? postfix is not ran in chroot, all files have the right paths - do I miss any chmod's?
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09:43<zenithman>I am trying to commit in alioth but I am getting: "Authorization failed".
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09:44<bcochofel>gsimmons: thx, it worked
09:44<zenithman>what am i doing wrong??
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09:47<zenithman> $svn commit -m "..."
09:47<zenithman> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
09:47<zenithman> svn: Authorization failed
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09:47<zenithman>hello? anyone there?
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09:57<themill>zenithman: when you checked out, did you do anonymous checkout?
10:00<zenithman>themill, I think I just checkout.
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10:01<themill>zenithman: svn+ssh?
10:01<zenithman>"svn co svn://svn.debian.org/collab-maint/ext-maint/gnome-pilot"
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10:02<zenithman>themill, "svn co svn://svn.debian.org/collab-maint/ext-maint/gnome-pilot"
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10:03<zoe>first time to use irc. test input
10:03<themill>!test
10:03<dpkg>Test Failed.
10:04<themill>zenithman: I'm not sure about alioth, but normally people require an encrypted and authorised connection for the checkin.
10:04<zenithman>themill, ok
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10:05<themill>zenithman: #debian-mentors or the alioth docs might know if this is the case or not. If it is, then you will have to make patches, do an svn+ssh checkout (or maybe https) and then apply the patches and then checkin.
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10:08<zenithman>themill, hmm, ok, i will investigate more. i thought that i would just commit. thank you.
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10:20<giovanni_>hi there
10:20<giovanni_>I need to modify a bootable cd... how can I do that without making the cd not bootable?
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10:27<Supaplex>drwxrwsr-x 2 postgres postgres 4096 Feb 5 08:27 /var/run/postgresql/
10:28<Supaplex>http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/52daba8a-ef7f-4780-8110-318ef6853db4.txt says permission denied, but why? pg has write access
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10:30<themill>zenithman: np. Good luck :)
10:30<themill>!tell giovanni_ about cdd
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11:10<shahid>./c3640-js-mz.122-15.T17.bin
11:10<shahid>bash: ./c3640-js-mz.122-15.T17.bin: cannot execute binary file
11:10<shahid>shahid:/opt/dynamips/images/3640#
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11:13<shahid>any one here
11:13<Supaplex>shahid: what's file -k ./c3640-js-mz.122-15.T17.bin show?
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11:14<shahid> file -k c3640-js-mz.122-15.T17.bin
11:14<shahid>c3640-js-mz.122-15.T17.bin: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
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11:14<Supaplex>did you chmod +x that?
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11:15<shahid>yeah
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11:16<Supaplex>there's a good chance it's damaged
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11:17<shahid>i tried anothr .bin
11:17<shahid>it give me the same
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11:20<Supaplex>shahid: uname -m ?
11:20<shahid>shahid:/opt/dynamips/bin# uname -m
11:20<shahid>i686
11:21<Supaplex>maybe syslog has something. where's this file from?
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11:22<shahid>well i want to run dynamips on my linux. dynamips is cisco emulation tool and that .bin is cisco router IOS
11:25<rjent>greetings, if I install linux-patch-aufs does it apply the patch?
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11:25<Supaplex>oh now I see. it says MSB, wrong $ARCH :)
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11:29<Abiectum>hi.. how to make lower bass in soundcard ?
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11:31<shahid>Supaplex: well for running it i need to run it by dynamips
11:31<shahid>thanks buddy :)
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11:33<cahoot>Abiectum: using alsamixer?
11:33<user_>lolo
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11:34<Abiectum>cahoot: but I have no bass reduction in alsa mixer... only PCM LIne In and Mic
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11:39<quique->buenas ... buen día!
11:39<quique->hi everybody
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11:43<Supaplex>!ops suspect clones joining
11:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: suspect clones joining
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11:43<shahid>Supaplex, need help
11:43<shahid>The Dynamips hypervisors should start at system boot. Create a init script that launches
11:43<shahid>/opt/dynamips/bin/dynamips -H 7200
11:43<shahid>/opt/dynamips/bin/dynamips -H 7201
11:43<Supaplex>!init.d
11:43<dpkg>init.d is, like, where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel>
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11:46<Myon>Supaplex: looking
11:46<shahid>Supaplex, : i didnt get it. can u explain little
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11:48<Supaplex>Myon: looks like they /quit or got klined
11:49<Supaplex>shahid: not in depth, I'm busy. but, it's just a shell script. there's a sample there
11:49<Supaplex>!tell shahid -about grounding
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11:55<Sweeney-Todd>hi, what would be the best and the safest way to make an internal DNS server available on the net?
11:55<Sweeney-Todd>I am using Debian testing on amd64
11:57<hever>Hi there. I've a mont --bind /etc/passwd /somwhere/passwd. If I add a new user the /somewhere/passwd is not updated. Why? Its a hardlink ?
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11:57<torrr>hi
11:58<torrr>is the sman 40MB disk can be used to repair disk?
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12:00<torrr>can the small 40MB installation disk can be used to repair disk?
12:00<noble->the heat is on
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12:03<torrr>found e2fsck
12:04<torrr>does it need any parameters on ext3?
12:04<shahid>can any one help me with this
12:04<shahid>./pix2.sh
12:04<shahid>shahid:/opt/dynamips/lab/iewb# Unknown network device: udp
12:04<hever>torrr: it works as on ext2 as far as i know. ext3 is ext2 + journaling
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12:05<torrr>parameters?
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12:05<torrr>does the small CD have it?
12:05<hever>torrr: I'm not sure but I think so...
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12:16<hever>Ok. I've file A and file B. And "mount --bind A B" Changes in A won't affect B, why ? (Changes in B affect A) ???
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12:19<Supaplex>I've never tried that with files, only directories. :) no issues there.
12:19<hever>Is it a bug?
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12:19*Gathond had the distinct impression it only worked on directories
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12:25<hever>At the moment I'm on EXT3. But later I'll be on XFS...
12:25<zamolxes>hey. I want to add two config options to linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 . I got the source with apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 , I'm thinking I should modify the config file (debian/arch/config) and run dpkg-buildpackage . Does this seem right to you?
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12:31<henry>hi
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12:33<quique->hi, henry
12:34<quique->oops.. he leaved :P
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12:36<hever>Supaplex, Gathond: It works with "ln A B" wihtout problems but I tought ext3 can't do hardlinks on files ?!
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12:37<neko>hi
12:37<abeld>Hi! I have a recently-installed amd64 lenny system. I installed grub, and now it doesnt boot with a "VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" kernel panic. The hdd is a SATA disk. booting from a rescue cd, and grepping for SATA in /boot/config-2.6.22-3-amd64 I see that "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set " would that be needed to boot? how did it boot before?
12:37<hever>zamolxes: yes you're right. But someone told me its good to update the changelog also...
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12:38<zamolxes>ok, dch
12:38<hever>zamolxes: Ehm or it was debian/rules....
12:38<Gathond>hever: they can ONLY do hardlinks on files iirc
12:38<zamolxes>hever: no, dch is used to update the changelog
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12:39<neko>can someone hlp me with make-kpkg? it does this (cd /media/malcolm/src/linux-source-2.6.21.4-neeeko/debian/linux-source-2.6.21.4-neeeko/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.21.4-neeeko/include; rm -f asm ; ) - and can't delete asm because it uses rm -f and not -r ... ...
12:39<hever>zamolxes: I mean perhaps you make your changes in the rules file...
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12:41<hever>Gathond: that it was. thanks. So I use mount --bind for directories and ln for files... seems a bit circumstantial.
12:41<Gathond>that is what I've always done, although the number of hardlinks I've used is probably countable on one hand
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12:42<jack>hi
12:42<hever>Gathond: ok... I've to set up a chroot...
12:43<jack>can i grow an extended ext3 partition using unallocated space on my harddrive?
12:43<jack>they're not adjacent
12:43<Gathond>hever: do be aware that a hardlink will not be updated IF the first file is replaced
12:44<Gathond>so using hardlinks for a socket only works until the daemon is restarted
12:44<hever>replaced... hmmm. I think I don't replace the passwd file ;)
12:44<Gathond>as that typically deletes the socket file and makes a new one
12:44<Gathond>hever: its just a heads up, it depends on what you are chrooting
12:44<hever>Gathond: hey you're good. I've hardlinked a mysql socket into the apcahe chroot.
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12:45<hever>Gathond: by using mount --bind
12:45<hever>Gathond: but it still works...
12:45<Gathond>ok
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12:45<Gathond>that might work
12:45<Gathond>hever: although I usually mount -o bind the directory with the socket file
12:45<Gathond>hever: does it also work after restarting mysql?
12:45<hever>and with "ln" it won't ?
12:45<Gathond>that is usually the problem
12:45<hever>I try it...
12:46<Gathond>hever: it works, until the original is deleted and recreated
12:46<hever>Yes. Why don't I mount the dir ?!
12:46<hever>:)
12:46<Supaplex>you wanted to learn something new? :D
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12:48<hever>Ok I can't try it at the moment but I'll look on it.
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12:48<torrr>can I give two interfaces the same IP?
12:49<hever>torrr: if it makes sense...
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12:49<torrr>actually i am not sure...
12:49<Lynoure>torrr: What are you planning to do with that?
12:50<torrr>I have a 10Mbps card, and a 1000Mbps card, and I am not sure that the faster is reliable
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12:51<torrr>so I want to have the 1000Mbps, but in case it doesn't work I still want the 10Mbps to work
12:51<Lynoure>torrr: if you are behind a router and have ips to spare, why not give them two different ones? easier that way
12:52<torrr>ok
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12:52<torrr>just that all computers are set on its IP
12:52<torrr>but I don't want to work a day to make it happen
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12:53<hever>Gathond: And the links will be set also after a system restart, correct ?
12:53<Lynoure>torrr: dns is a really nice fun invention, you know :)
12:53<Gathond>hever: what links?
12:53<hever>Gathond: ;) made with ln
12:53<Gathond>mount -o bind? only if you do it through /etc/fstab
12:53<Gathond>hever: sure
12:54<Gathond>hever: but deleting one does not delete the other
12:54<hever>Gathond: yes :)
12:54<hever>Gathond: thanks
12:54<Gathond>so if you ever delete A or B and remake it they are 2 different files
12:54<torrr>Lynoure, internaly?
12:54<torrr>Lynoure, that's an idea...
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12:55<torrr>Lynoure, what's the package name for it>
12:55<torrr>?
12:55<hever>Gathond: interesting. The content will be available...
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12:55<Lynoure>torrr: yes, also internally... if you have so many computers changing the ips they point to is a hassle, internal dns is a blessing
12:55<hever>Gathond: if I remove A
12:55<Gathond>hever: a hardlink is simply 2 entries in the filesystem pointing to the same inode
12:55<Gathond>hever: B does still exist
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12:56<Gathond>hever: if you want a reference you want a symlink
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12:56<Gathond>that will not work in a chroot though, as it will point outside it
12:56<Gathond>and hence be taken relative to the chroot when used
12:56<hever>yes... interesting. And also no problems on XFS ?
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12:56<hever>yes but the harlinks will work because they point to the inode...
12:56<Gathond>hever: should not be, hardlinks and symlinks are age old unix constructs
12:57<Gathond>hever: implementation detail, it points to whatever structure the filesystem has for files
12:57<Gathond>hardlinks just means the same actual datafile has multiple names attached
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12:58<Gathond>the datafile is only removed once no names is attached (and no filedescriptors open)
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12:58<torrr>OK, now just need a 4 meter eth cable...
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12:59<hever>torrr: me too ;)
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13:14<torrr>strange thing
13:14<torrr>I installed the 1000Mbps, but the trafic still is 10Mbps
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13:15<Supaplex>what's it plugged into?
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13:17<jMCg>torrr: mii-tool?
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13:19<ServerSide>I wonder why the update of xserver-xorg-core wants delete xorg, xserver-xorg, xserver* lol..
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13:26<torrr>jMCg, I don
13:26<torrr>t knwo what that is
13:26<torrr>btw the test is on your vsftpd
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13:27<torrr>jMCg, does it supposed to return the connection from the same iface that it was contacted through?
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13:27<cortana>help, /usr/lib/apt/methods/http eats all of my CPU while apt downloads packages... i've not noticed that happen before!
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13:30<jMCg>torrr: vsftpd isn't mine ;)
13:31<torrr>really? ;)
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13:31<angasule>it's MINE, all MINE
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13:31*angasule hoards it
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13:36<semifor>I've a 4-port Mainpine modem card in a system that comes up as ttyS{14,15,50,51} on boot, but after boot is /dev/ttyF[1-4]. What is renaming the devices?
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14:14<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to set up a dns server but I can't seem to find a good loggin options
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14:15<bcochofel>Where can I found a good logging group for my dns?
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14:27<Kebianizao>Hello
14:28<monra>Hello. I'm looking for a program in linux to find integrals and solve equations. For solving equations i found mathomatic but wasn't impressed. Any good ideas?
14:28<dogmeat>maple
14:28<Kebianizao>monra: octave
14:29<monra>dogmeat: i thought maple was only for windows?
14:29<Kebianizao>I want to do a ssh tunnel, but I don't want to get into a shell on that machine. I've tried with the -f paramter, but that doesn't work, any ideas?
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14:31<dogmeat>monra, guess linux support isn't too good, try octave?
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14:32<monra>thanks! just installed octave
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14:40<ranix>hey I saw someone once pipe a pdf to lpr like so:
14:40<ranix>lpr <mypdf.pdf
14:40<ranix>when I do this it prints nonsense
14:40<ranix>am I doing it wrong?
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14:40<valdyn>ranix: skip the <
14:41<ranix>still prints nonsense valdyn
14:41<valdyn>ranix: is that cup's lpr?
14:41<ranix>no, lprng
14:41<ranix>cups blows goats
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14:42<valdyn>ranix: read the package description to lprng
14:43<ranix>k
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14:55<shahid>shahid:/opt/dynamips/lab/iewb# ./pix1.sh
14:55<shahid>shahid:/opt/dynamips/lab/iewb# Unknown network device: udp
14:56<shahid>is something wrong with my debian or why i get this msg
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14:57<kop>shahid : What were you doing when you got the message?
14:57<shahid>i run the above file pix1.sh
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14:57<kop>shahid : (Anything in /opt is probably not Debian stuff. It appears you may have installed something non-debian.)
14:57<shahid>i can paste u the coding whats inside if u want
14:58<kop>!tell shahid -about pastebin
14:58<shahid>yeah i install my self. but people run it in debian and no issue
14:58<kop>shahid : Use pastebin and somebody might take a look at it.
14:58<shahid>ok
14:59<kop>shahid : Can you quickly summarize what it's supposed to do?
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15:00<kop>shahid : (I'd bet it has a bug in it, and is not picking up one of your network cards. Just a guess.)
15:00<shahid>http://pastebin.ca/892949
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15:02<shahid>kop: so ?
15:03<Kebianizao>bye
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15:05<kop>shahid : There's no telling without knowing what /opt/dynamips/bin/pemu is supposed to do. We'd have to read it's docs. The error message you get says that you're trying to use an IP protocol name, udp, as the name of a "network device". I guess in place of a network interface like eth0. The devils in the details of the program you're using.
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15:06<shahid>i am trying to run cisco router PIX firewall on my system.
15:06<shahid>http://www.internetworkpro.org/wiki/CCIE_Security_Home_Lab_with_dynamips_%26_Co#The_goal
15:07<shahid>there u can c the pemu and all the command links with this error
15:07<shahid>people did it with debian and no error. i am worried that may bhi i didnt install all the required debian package
15:10<kop>shahid : Maybe you'd better go back and double check that you followed each instruction. People here can tell you how to ask your system what it's doing. (Although they may tell you to read the instructions when it comes to doing simple things. See the reference manual at www.debian.org.)
15:11<shahid>i just want to sure that the above error is not related with the debian package ?
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15:11<valdyn>shahid: you named a network device "udp" in that application?
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15:12<shahid>yes
15:12<valdyn>shahid: that is a network protocol, not a network device.
15:12<valdyn>shahid: ifconfig -a lists devices
15:12<shahid>i know its a protocol :P but it gives error for device
15:12<kop>shahid : That's hard (for me) to say for sure. You're not installing debian stuff, so you must setup your system with the required parts yourself.
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15:13<valdyn>shahid: because you tood dynamips to use the network device "udp"
15:13<valdyn>s/tood/told/
15:13<shahid>hmm
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15:14<valdyn>shahid: go ask for support with this elsewhere, its clearly not a debian issue, that error
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15:14<shahid>ok thanks
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15:32<beer>does someone know at laser printer there works flawless under linux and does not cost to much?
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15:34<plucien>I using OKIPage 14e, working well
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15:35<beer>Do you know if it can be bought in Denmark?
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15:40<Wesleeey>Anyone any directions on how to fix a "FORGED_RCVD_HELO" header with spamassasin?
15:40<Wesleeey>it's postfix btw
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15:41<zobel>score FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0 :)
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15:41<Wesleeey>Hehe well i'm trying to deliver our mails to hotmail
15:42<Wesleeey>All other mailservers I configured do work to hotmail, except this one
15:42<Wesleeey>I must be overlooking something
15:42<Wesleeey>and I have no clue why the forged rcvd helo is there, myhostname is set correct
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16:09<BoBoBoSs>hy
16:09<BoBoBoSs>how active 5.1 sound to debian ?
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16:22<cahoot>aplay -L lists the option?
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17:04<Aleric>Anyone interested to do some hacking together with? I'm trying to get acroread to run/work, called from a 32-bit iceweasel running on amd64.
17:05<Aleric>You'll need an amd64 thus :).
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17:05<Aleric>I've described exactly what I did so far in some document, so it won't be a problem to join.
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17:18<avu>I have a slightly broken AVI file with divx5/AC3, the audio of which I want to extract. Neither mplayer -dumpaudio file.avi nor ffmpeg -i file.avi out.mp3 work. (the first produces an empty stream.dump (plays it fine when I just listen to it though), the second bails because it can't properly open the file)
17:18<avu>Any hints on what else I can try?
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17:23<cahoot>mplayer -dumpaudio -dumpfile audio.mp3 file.avi ?
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17:26<avu>cahoot: I'm just now playing around with -ao pcm:file=..., will try your suggestion next
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17:27<avu>cahoot: all tries with -ao pcm just produced a 20K sized file without readable content (but with proper headers) :(
17:28<avu>cahoot: your suggestion behaves just like the -dumpaudio tries described before, just that the empty file has another name
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17:31<cahoot>avu: what kind of soundcard?
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17:32<cahoot>avu: on my audigy I can record any sound with f ex arecord as it's played by any other sound app
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17:35<avu>cahoot: powermac snapper. Already tried recording it with gnome-sound-recorder just now, but even though I have everything capure-related enabled in alsamixer and tried various input setting, I seem to get nowhere with it
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17:36<cahoot>avu: my tries with the hda-intel device on the laptop fails too - so I guess it's dependent on the card/driver
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17:39<avu>cahoot: I think I'll try it at work tomorrow, maybe even under OSX if everything else fails. Thank you for your time/efforts.
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17:46<neekofab>anyone have any tips on enabling spellcheck in kopete (kde) in etch? it's grayed out. spell check works in other kde apps.
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17:47<dkr>neekofab: maybe it uses ispell and the other apps use aspell. look at the "recommends"packages for kopete?
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17:48<neekofab>dkr I have ispell in as well as aspell. and everything checks out on apt reccommends. no open bugs that I can find either listed on packages.debian.org
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17:49<Munkie>Is it possible to change the Gnome user interface language in debian? I need the Dutch language if that's possible.
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17:51<SeveredCross>System --> Adminstration --> Language Support
17:51<gamba>\\list
17:51<SeveredCross>At least on Gnome 2.21.90
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17:51<gamba>hola
17:52<Munkie>SeveredCross: Which package contains the Language Support? I don't have it here on 2.20
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17:53<Munkie>I did find a reference to that in the Ubuntu forums but nothing in Debian as far as I could see
17:53<SeveredCross>Hmm. For me, I see a whole big list of supported languages, but selecting one doesn't do anything.
17:53<SeveredCross>Well, something for ubuntu will probably work in Debian.
17:54<SeveredCross>language-support-nl - metapackage for Dutch; Flemish language support
17:54<SeveredCross>That's the Ubuntu metapackage, try installing that (on Debian, via apt-get install language-support-nl)
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17:55<themill>!info language-support-nl etch
17:55<themill>SeveredCross: (hint: it doesn't exist)
17:55<SeveredCross>I figured as much.
17:55<Munkie>Is that advisable, installing Ubuntu packages in Debian?
17:55<themill>definitely not
17:56<lupine>it's a very gung-ho sort of thing to do
17:56<SeveredCross>Nor is that what I suggested.
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17:57<Munkie>Dutch support seems to be quite lacking right now in Debian apart from locales. I know its only 16 million-ish people....
17:57<lupine>oh, is that all? ;)
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17:58<Munkie>Yep, fraid so. Seems quite a lot when you live there though!
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17:59<Munkie>Oh well, I'll just have to wait for the next Gnome I guess. Thanks anyway
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18:48<devolic2know>How do I install Fluxbox, I chose the minimal options screen what do I do at the log on screen now?
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18:49<devolic2know>Forgot to mention it's through VMWare Workstation
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18:55<arthuza>any1 know if there is a problem with kernel 2.6.18 becuase when i do make menuconfig i get alot of errors in scripts/
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18:56<devolic2know>How do I install fluxbox at login screen?
18:57<gsimmons>!tell arthuza -about make menuconfig
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18:58<themill>!install fluxbox
18:58<dpkg>i heard install fluxbox is apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox. Welcome to thinland.
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19:03<devolic2know>doesn't work.........not in VMWare Workstation anyway.
19:03<gsimmons>!tell arthuza -about msg
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19:05<themill>!tell devolic2know about doesn't work
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19:08<tiago>hey
19:08<devolic2know>that's the problem with workstation it only loads the minimal install never a desktop, I have burned/verified 4 disks and am using the most recent workstation.
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19:09<tiago>can I used ubuntu repositories to install stuff on my debian machine?
19:09<themill>tiago: no.
19:09<tiago>damn it :(
19:09<tiago>another thing
19:09<tiago>does anyone know recordmydesktop?
19:09<tiago>every time I use it X starts clogging the CPU
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19:12<themill>devolic2know: no error message == no help. I haven't got a clue what it is you've tried to do or what you've done other than "it doesn't work" and that you're using vmware in some way (not that vmware is relevant to this problem)
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19:12<blal>!squashfs
19:12<dpkg>squashfs is probably a compressed read-only filesystem for Linux. Squashfs is intended for general read-only filesystem use, for archival use (i.e. in cases where a .tar.gz file may be used), and in constrained block device/memory systems (e.g. embedded systems) where low overhead is needed. The filesystem is currently stable, and has been tested on PowerPC, i586, Sparc and ARM architectures.
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19:13<blal>Is there a straightforward way of mounting a squashfs file?
19:13<blal>I have a live cd that I'd like to explore w/o having to boot from it.
19:13<blal>there is a livecd.squashfs file that is appx. 750 mb large.
19:14<blal>Is "sudo mount /media/cdrom/livecd.squashfs /media/tmp" just wishful thinking?
19:15<dondelelcaro>blal: if you've got squashfs support, you should be able to just sudo mount -o loop /media/cdrom/livecd.squashfs /media/tmp; or similar.
19:15<themill>blal: you'll need to do a loopback mount.
19:15<themill>yeah, what don said.
19:15<devolic2know>It says could not open lock file 13 permissions denied that's all it says when it boots
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19:18<blal>dondelelcaro : themill : Which module should I look for to detect squashfs support?
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19:19<dondelelcaro>blal: squashfs presumably; you probably need the appropriate squashfs-modules-*; package.
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19:19<blal>dondelelcaro : themill : Got it. Thanks much, all.
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19:22<arthuza>i have a AM2 5600 duel core ... when compiling the kernel what chip would i select?
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19:24<themill>arthuza: why are you bothering to compile your kernel at all?
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19:25<blal>themill : I hate to repay your kindness w/ criticism, but please don't say that.
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19:26<blal>themill : Kernel recompilation is an honorable Linux tradition, and everyone needs to be able to build custom kernels.
19:26<eRKut>hi
19:26<blal>o hai
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19:26<arthuza>well X isnt working so im guessing the kernel doesnt have half the stuff i need. It's been a long long time since i have played with linux :( ... anyhows i'm guessing core2/newer xeon
19:27<eRKut>checking for gcc... no
19:27<eRKut>checking for cc... no
19:27<eRKut>checking for cc... no
19:27<eRKut>checking for cl... no
19:27<eRKut>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
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19:27<themill>blal: I disagree, it's a waste of time and effort and not something that is worth doing unless you have quite esoteric hardware or disk space needs.
19:27<themill>!tell eRKut about paste
19:27<themill>!b-e eRKut
19:27<dpkg>eRKut: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
19:27<eRKut>:S
19:28<eRKut>help me
19:28<eRKut>gcc problem
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19:28<eRKut>:S
19:28<themill>!b-e eRKut
19:28<eRKut>debian 4.0
19:28<dpkg>eRKut: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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19:28<eRKut>!b-e
19:28<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
19:28<eRKut>!tell eRKut
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19:29<themill>arthuza: just recompiling your kernel won't "make more things available" ... the debian build has just about everything as a module already.
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19:30<arthuza>well for some reason Xorg wont boot up in pure plain old simple VGA .. and the kernel is runing my AM2 5600 as a 486 :S. Hence i thought a custom built newer kernel would be better
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19:31<themill>blal: You are of course welcome to keep recompiling kernels.... :) I just don't find the need to do so any more and rarely find that it's worth new users even contemplating it. The whole "must recompile kernel" thing comes from three problems: (1) not understanding that there's no overhead in modularisation in the kernel (2) it *used* to be necessary back in the < 2.6 kernel days and (3) gentoo teaches bad habits.
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19:32<themill>arthuza: I have no idea what that chipset is. 686 is a fairly safe bet though. As for X, that's a separate problem and will require more information about your hardware (and someone less sleepy than me)
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19:33<arthuza>themill: so 686 will support duel core (multi threading)
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19:35<themill>arthuza: yes. As will amd64, although I wouldn't recommend using a 64-bit userspace if you are playing with a desktop machine. Stick to 32-bit for desktops as you will want easy access to java, flash etc
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19:36<amphi>OTOH, amd64 precludes falling into such temptations, a little at least ;)
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19:37<themill>heh
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19:40<arthuza>themill: thanks for the advice ... 2.6 kernels are a bit more friendly than the old 2.4 when they first came out (last time i played with a kernel)
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19:41<themill>rather... have fun with it! Bed time for me ;)
19:41<blal>themill : lol I maintain my position, because a growing rift between what the average user knows and what a user would need to know to compile a custom kernel properly is a Bad Thing (a negative trend in Linux culture). Not knowing how things work under the hood is for other OS's (M$), not Linux.
19:42<lupine>eh, they aren't too hard to do
19:42<blal>themill : Yet I respect your right to have that differing view. I'm glad we had this conversation.
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19:42<themill>blal: hmmm.... I remain unconvinced. I'm happy to let the debian kernel team do that for me ;) Enjoy it yourself though.
19:42<lupine>all that's really needed is the intelligence to do a bit of research on requirements beforehand
19:43<lupine>intelligence, of course, is sadly lacking in all fields
19:43<blal>themill : To each his own.
19:43<themill>:)
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19:43<themill>night guys!
19:43<arthuza>night
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21:08<hever>Hej. Whats the fastest way to look for a WORD into a file and if the word is not in the file, attach the word in a line ?
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21:12<alk3>hello. i have a Intel DG33FB mobo with a C2D proc with a SATA drive and a IDE drive. for some reason the official installer's for Debian do not see my hard drives to mount during installation. which installer should I use to bypass this issue? http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html
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21:15<alk3>please! i had to load fedora so i could avoid using windows.
21:15<alk3>**shamed
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21:29<gsimmons>alk3: Your motherboard has ICH9, which isn't supported by the 2.6.18 kernel within the official Etch installer. You'd be required to use a backported installer image (with a more recent kernel), such as the ones available from kmuto.jp.
21:29<gsimmons>!kmuto
21:29<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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21:31<alk3>gsimmons: thanks for that info. I was having trouble finding this site
21:32<alk3>i will be back later to say if it worked. my next step was Ubuntu. ew
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21:59<arthuza>hey all :) ... got a little problem. I'm using a AM2 5600(2.81 DC) with a Nvida 8600 .. when i try to boot Xorg it get a error "noscreen found
21:59<arthuza>any ideas :S
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22:01<neekofab>athuza some of the later nvidia stuff you have no choice but binary drivers
22:02<arthuza>ok lost so u mean X wont support 8600
22:03<arthuza>looking at the log it loads up to 7900 but no 8xxx series :(
22:03<streuner_>!nvidia
22:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:03<neekofab>athuza I don't know that. but if it's new enough, the nv module won't work. you'll nvidia binary
22:03<streuner_>read w.d.o about
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22:09<voiex>hi
22:09<voiex>where can ig get to download debian from
22:09<voiex>and how big are they
22:09<voiex>and where can i get live cds
22:09<arthuza>so why u mean the binary u kernel module .. (noob)
22:09<arthuza>btw i mean i'm the noob
22:10<neekofab>downloads for debian are found on www..debian.org. varies from a net install to a couple of dvds.
22:11<voiex>ok
22:11<voiex>and for a dual boot system
22:11<voiex>how much ram would i need
22:11<arthuza>trying to read that page through lynx atm ... it's very messy
22:11<neekofab>arthuza binary just means your at the mercy of the hardware provider for updates ultimately
22:11<voiex>i got windows and i want to install linux in it
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22:12<voiex>any ideas?
22:13<neekofab>voiex you wanna replace windows or just try it out?
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22:14<arthuza>partition your hardrive so u have 2 spaces ... one for / (root) and one for swap space ... then edit your lilo or grub to allow you to boot to both OS's
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22:14<voiex>i want to install it over windows
22:14<voiex>ie dual partition
22:14<voiex>have both windows and debian on it
22:14<voiex>yep heard of the lilo bit
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22:14<voiex>but i mean how much ram would i need for this to work flawlessly
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22:16<neekofab>voiex If your brand new to linux I'd try Ubuntu or Fedora first. Ubuntu is based on debian but they are certainly apples and oranges.
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22:16<douglas>can someone tell me how to install real player on ubuntu
22:16<voiex>nay nay i want to try it the hard way
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22:17<neekofab>voiex debian is not harder, it just doesn't attempt to hide anything from you.
22:18<voiex>better then
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22:18<sco50000>how do i make update-grub not list all my old kernels?
22:18<dondelelcaro>sco50000: remove them
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22:19<sco50000>dondelelcaro: how do i remove my old kernels?
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22:19<neekofab>sco50000 use apt (or whatever interface your are accustom to) to uninstall them
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22:19<arthuza>so getting back to 8600 nvidia ... i have to download the binary version of the driver to allow it to work with X
22:20<streuner_>arthuza: did you read wiki.debian.org about?
22:20<sco50000>neekofab: so i want to get rid of the linux-image-<old kernel> packages?
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22:21<neekofab>sco50000 yep
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22:21<arthuza>trying to but i'm using lynx :S ... messy as (hate lynx)
22:22<streuner_>lynx or links are good enough, not many pictures there
22:22<neekofab>arthuza if none of the nvida-glx/nvidia-kernel packages do it for you, you'll have to got to nvidia and pick a driver that will work
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22:22<voiex>thanks
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22:22<streuner_>arthuza: try as a first start "VESA"
22:23<streuner_>!drxx arthuza
22:23<dpkg>arthuza: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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22:24<streuner_>arthuza: choose rather low values there 800X for videoresolution
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22:25<sco50000>if i set lockalternative to true in the menu.lst, will all the single user modes be locked? and what does locked do? require the grub password?
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22:32<arthuza>streuner_: thanks for info ... will have to go ready alot more ... still not working
22:33<streuner_>arthuza: do you have a LIVE-CD handy?
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22:35<streuner_>LIVE-CDs usually fall back into VESA, if they didnt find a working driver, but the config-file is useful...
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22:46<arthuza>sry was afk
22:46<arthuza>only CD i have is the Iso CD1 from debian
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22:50<streuner_>arthuza: ok, just use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root and choose "VESA" there, use rather low values. It should work as a first start
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23:01<arthuza>lol .. im sure im getting annoying but fluxbox doesn't load ... Xorg .. same grey black dotted window ..... run fluxbox but it'sself ... cannot find xserver
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23:02<streuner_>arthuza: how did you start X at all?
23:02<streuner_>via "startx"?
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23:03<arthuza>ahh no .... now i remember that command :S ... just Xorg .. and of course *slap* it is only going to start the GUI with no flux or kde
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23:04<streuner_>!xsession
23:04<dpkg>somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
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23:05<streuner_>arthuza: just use that: "touch /home/<user>/.xsession"
23:06<streuner_>arthuza: add there an entry "exec fluxbox"
23:07<arthuza>again you r a ledgend! .. thanks :)
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23:11<vsmatck>Question about debian releases. I downloaded a iso of stable and installed it. I notice my /etc/apt/sources.list says etch which is the latest stable. My other computer I installed a long time ago (but have kept up to date) says 'stable' instead of 'etch'.
23:12<vsmatck>If I have 'stable' instead of 'etch' will I automatically be moved to the latest stable when it's released?
23:12<streuner_>yes
23:12<vsmatck>but if it had 'etch' it wouldn't be?
23:12<streuner_>no
23:12<vsmatck>Is that like a change in policy on the new install CD's?
23:13<streuner_>no
23:13<streuner_>!etch
23:13<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
23:13<streuner_>if you have "etch" in sources.list it would use only etch, which is actually stable version in Debian
23:13<vsmatck>streuner_, thanks bro, that's all my questions :)
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23:14<streuner_>ok
23:14*vsmatck prepares to blow away his gutsy install.
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23:16<arthuza>i thought xterm u could alpha blend / make semi trans
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23:24<alk3>gsimmons: this installer works just fine. thanks for the help. no gui yet, but i have a debian os.
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23:56<sco50000>Angelina27 just spammed me, where shall i report it? i believe it is a bot
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