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00:25<arthuza>i know this isnt a debian question *gasp* but how do u switch between windows in bitch X (after creating hidden ones)
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00:30<dserban>haven't used bitchx ever... xchat or irssi
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00:41<JustSoul>good morning
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00:42<vic->How to make evince support bookmarks?
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00:55<computerbob>Can anybody here help me troubleshoot NTP running on my desktop PC?
00:55<kandinski>I am using Debian Sid as a PXE server with the instructions here:; I get an IP by DHCP but then TFTP seems to fail; the messages I get are "PXE/E11: ARP Timeout" and PXE/E38: "TFTP cannot open connection", any hint on how to debug this from the Debian Sid end?
00:58<gsimmons>vic-: evince 0.8.0-1 and later will remember the last page you were on when closing the file, taking you back there upon re-opening (see Debian bug #342839). AFAICT user-set bookmarks (as opposed to publisher-set bookmarks) still requires to be implemented. You could also ask in #gnome-debian (
01:00<kandinski>also, if I ping the pxe client, it does not respond even after acquiring the IP, I think it should even if I am not positive
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01:01<vic->gsimmons, could you please recommend a package that supports bookmarks?
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01:15<clementop>RUN AWAY
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01:22<zaius55>Do I need to install DRM in the kernel if I am using the binary nvidia module, or does it provide it?
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01:43<kandinski>ok: I have set a tftp server for PXE booting, but I cant get it to work. running tftp localhost and then GETting pxelinux.0 works on the server
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01:43<kandinski>however, the tftp transfer times out when I try to do it remotely
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01:53<Slydder>morning all
01:53<JustSoul>Slydder: morning
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01:55<Deselect>Hello all, I have a very big issue that I was hoping someone could help resolve. After doing a dist-upgrade I no longer have any sound playback. I have an m-audio audiophile 24/96 sound card and I am pretty new to the whole hardware aspect of Debian. If anyone could help I would be extremely appreciative.
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02:00<JustSoul>"for i in $(ls /somedir); do; echo $i; done;" - how make that folder with more then 1 word echoing as 1 line?
02:00<lappy>i m a new debian user...i need some help.
02:01<SpeedyG>!+tell lappy -about ask
02:01<dpkg>told lappy about ask.
02:01<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to
02:01<lappy>i messed up my kde installation as i was trying to upgrade it to 3.5.8.
02:01<lappy>now kde wont start but all kde applications have been upgraded.
02:01<JustSoul> /j bash
02:03<lappy>can someone tell me how to configure kdm so it can launch kde?
02:03<JustSoul>lappy: kdm started normally?
02:04<JustSoul>what it write when you logon
02:04<lappy>but it cannot find the "kde" session
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02:04<lappy>Well, now KDE doesnt appear in the session list. The very first time, it gave me an error that the kde session entry is invalid and so it removed it
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02:05<lappy>currently i have logged into sawfish and launched kicker thru shell...its some relief but i wanna get this thiing in order
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02:06<lappy>what settings shd i be looking at?
02:06<Deselect>Is there a way to "flush" the multimedia system? What I mean is I changed ALSA to OSS and now it is hanging. When I try to switch back, I get a Could Not Negotiate Format error
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02:07<JustSoul>lappy: can you start kde without kdm; like startkde or smth else?
02:07<lappy>the startkde doesnt exist in my $PATH
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02:08<lappy>i found similar commands like start_kdeinit and start_kdeinit_wrapper
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02:10<lappy>!JustSoul the related cmds dont work...i tried launching them thru sawfish's terminal and they dont give any errors, but nothing happens either
02:10<JustSoul>gsimmons: are you here?
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02:12<SpeedyG>lappy: how'd you install it ?
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02:13<lappy>!SpeedyG apt-get install kdm
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02:14<lappy>well and others by apt-get install konqueror...i thought that the dependencies wud lead to a near upgrade of the entire kde
02:14<lappy>it somewhat worked
02:14<SpeedyG>and euhm, what are you running ? sid? lenny?
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02:15<Deselect>Could anyone recommedn a channel to join to resolve my audiocard issue in debian?
02:15<Deselect>Maybe like an alsa one or something?
02:16<SpeedyG>Deselect: euh, maybe #alsa, but i'm affraid they'll tell you to go back to your Distro-channel .
02:16<Deselect>And if no one here can help me?
02:16<SpeedyG>Deselect: then the only option is be patient...
02:16<Slydder>deselect: just hang a bit and keep asking as ppl come on.
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02:16<Deselect>I miss my music. :S :-D
02:16<SpeedyG>right now, I dont see much of the (in my eyes) experienced people around ..
02:17<SpeedyG>so for the time being, turn on some radio and wait right there :D :P
02:17<Slydder>what is the exact model of your laptop? or is it a desktop with the issue?
02:17<Deselect>Me? Desktop
02:17<Slydder>exact model of the card?
02:18<Deselect>audiophile 24/96
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02:20<Slydder>deselect: have you read here?
02:20<SpeedyG>lappy: what debian version are you running ?
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02:21<Deselect>Slydder: No, I have not.
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02:21<lappy>SpeedyG, how do i find out?
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02:22<Deselect>But I am not concernced with the MIDI and my concern would be how old that is. I will look into it now.
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02:24<SpeedyG>lappy: cat /proc/version and cat /etc/debian_version
02:24<cahoot>Deselect: already rerun dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base?
02:24<SpeedyG>lappy: or cat /etc/issue
02:24<Deselect>cahoot: No, you know what, I haven't.
02:25<Deselect>I can try that now
02:25<Deselect>I just chose ALSA... That was quick./
02:25<Deselect>Nothing more to that screen?
02:25<lappy>SpeedyG, Debian 4.1.1-21
02:26<cahoot>Deselect: try speaker-test in a term - error?
02:26<lappy>SpeedyG, its Lenny
02:26<SpeedyG>lappy: ah
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02:27<Deselect>I got some output
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02:27<Slydder>deselect: you can also try dpkg-reconfigure -p low linux-sound-base to get even more detailed install if the above didn't work. not sure if there is anything else to configure though. lol
02:27<Deselect>want the data?
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02:28<SpeedyG>lappy: perhaps you should try to upgrade kdebase, and it could(should?!?) upgrade all required parts with it.. from what i've read so far, you've got a half-installed/upgraded kde at your hands
02:28<lappy>SpeedyG, ok.
02:28<SpeedyG>lappy: however, i've got near-to-no experience with kde, perhaps you should ask #debian-kde
02:28<Slydder>lol. there is only the one question during the linux-sound-base reconfig. so -p low won't be of help
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02:29<lappy>SpeedyG, thanks
02:30<cahoot>Deselect: speaker-test complained?
02:30<Deselect>not that i can tell
02:30<cahoot>any sound?
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02:31<Deselect>My concern is that I also have an onboard sound card that I dont use
02:31<cahoot> try alsa force-reload
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02:32<Deselect>That was odd
02:32<Deselect>he reload kicked me out
02:32<Deselect>Okay, it reloaded, what should I do now to test for sound?
02:32<cahoot>that's some reload
02:32<cahoot>Deselect: speaker-test
02:34<vsmatck>My synaptics track pad is real slow on my new debian stable install. The middle click is also not working. I don't see any errors in my Xorg.0.log file which look relevant. Anyone heard of this problem or have suggestion on what I might investigate?
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02:35<JustSoul>"for i in $(ls /somedir); do; echo $i; done;" - how make that folder with more then 1 word echoing as 1 line?
02:35<Deselect>No sound. Should I change any settings, like in PREFERENCES > SOUND or ...?
02:35<alaya>hi, i am running 386 distro with 64-bit cpu. when i try to use module assistant to build kernels for an amd64 kernel they fail. is there some way to correct this, perhaps by telling it to use different libs?
02:35<Slydder>deselect: open a console and do lspci and look for the card
02:36<Slydder>if you see it do lsmod and look for the module for the card
02:36<vook>vsmatck: you can increase the acceleration for the mouse - and there may be a better driver. You can try X -configure to and then test the autogenerated xorg.conf and see if it works better than what debian created (often does).
02:36<vook>driver/module :|
02:37<Deselect>Slydder: I see the card there
02:37<vsmatck>vook, I'll give it a try.
02:37<alaya>JustSoul: huh? you could also use ls -l |cut if you want to just list names
02:37<Deselect>Slydder: What do you mean look for the module?
02:37<Slydder>in lspci output?
02:37<Slydder>lsmod shows all loaded modules
02:37<Slydder>ie. drivers
02:37<Deselect>Yeah, I see it in the lspci output
02:38<Deselect>Looks like it is there, also
02:38<JustSoul>alaya: no, i want to work with them
02:39<Slydder>type aumix
02:39<Deselect>command not found
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02:39<alaya>JustSoul: also: find /somedir -name \*
02:39<Slydder>no big deal. not always installed.
02:39<Deselect>I also see modules and listings for the onboard soundcard as well
02:40<Slydder>strange is though that the card and driver is there but no output
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02:40<Deselect>Well, as I said, I had it working before I upgraded...
02:40<Slydder>are you running gnome or kde?
02:40<Deselect>I posted a link up above about others having the same issues
02:40<Deselect>Slydder: 02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
02:41<Deselect>Slydder: That was the LSPCI output
02:41<Slydder>select Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound and tell me what you see
02:42<Deselect>Slydder: Sounds Playback: ALSA Default Mixer tracks device: m-audio audiophile 24/96 (Alsa mixer)
02:42<Deselect>That all looks right.
02:42<Deselect>And IEC958 Multi is selected
02:43<alaya>JustSoul: find /usr/local/bin -name \* -exec ls -l {} \;
02:43<alaya>JustSoul: find /usr/local/bin -name \* -exec file {} \;
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02:44<Slydder>check if you have alsa-tools-gui installed
02:46<Deselect>I do
02:46<JustSoul>alaya: i need: in script work with dirs w/o subdirs. for example chowning them
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02:46<Deselect>Slydder: Good news, I just changed the internal clock to 44800 and now when I do TEST for soudn output, it still doesnt return sound, but I can hit cancel without it freezing
02:46<JustSoul>alaya: for each dir
02:46<alaya>JustSoul: find
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02:48<Slydder>check applications -> debian -> apps -> system -> admin
02:50<Deselect>Slydder: I dont have those menues
02:51<Slydder>then open a console and type alsaconf. you will need to be root to do anything.
02:51<Slydder>if it is not there then do apt-get install alsa-utils
02:52<Deselect>And now when I go to SOUND, and TEST, it freezes again. :(
02:53<Slydder>did it show 2 cards?
02:54<Deselect>I have to load the Envy24 Control to change the sample rate again / internal clock
02:54<Deselect>Which is what causes the test to freeze
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02:55<vsmatck>vook, fixed it! There was no Load "synaptics" in my xorg.conf.
02:55<Slydder>deselect look in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and tell me what you see
02:56<Deselect>Permission denied as root
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02:58<Deselect>Slydder: Alrght whell, I need to log off now for some sleep. I work in a few hours
02:58<Deselect>Thank you very, very much. I will be on tomorrow if I haven;t resovled it by then
02:58<Deselect>Thanks for all of your help
02:59<Deselect>Slydder: :)
02:59<Deselect>Slydder: Tnks tomorrow I iwll read ytaht
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03:06<Steven-M>sidux detects my usb headset as my 3rd sound card (number 2 since numbering starts from 0) How can I find out the path of the device? eg /dev/dsp?
03:06<dpkg>somebody said sidux was a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ See also <based on Debian caveats>.
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03:08<alaya>Ερως, oh boy
03:11<cahoot>Steven-M: why would you want to?
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03:12<cahoot>Steven-M: you can't access them directly - what you probably mean is the entries in /dev/snd/*
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03:20<Guest583>hello dip shit
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03:22<Guest583>talk to me please
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03:23<JustSoul>Guest583: hello
03:23<Guest583>where you situated
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03:24<Guest583>hows the weather, im in za, is hot and humid
03:25<JustSoul>it's about -1`C, windy, some snow, cloudy
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03:26<Guest583>wow thats cold. we are about 35'c
03:27<Guest583>hello morgan
03:27<JustSoul>Guest583: it's no cold, it's wet
03:28<Guest583>ok wet then, goto go have a wet time.
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03:31<@Ganneff>now, topic is #debian. this isnt a chat channel, please keep that elsewhere, thanks.
03:31<JustSoul>Ganneff: ok, =)
03:32*Slydder smacks justSoul with a stinky fish
03:32<@Ganneff>sebash: that goes to you too
03:32*SpeedyG slaps Slydder with a debian-curl, stay on topic!
03:32<@Ganneff>Slydder: that goes to you too
03:32<@Ganneff>sebash: sorry, nothing, go sleep again :)
03:33<JustSoul>"for i in $(ls /somedir); do; [smth do with $i]; done;" - how work with dirs, that contain more then 1 word?
03:33<@Ganneff>use ""
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03:35<Slydder>gotta love rkhunter. lol
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03:37<JustSoul>anybody know?
03:37<JustSoul>or nobody?
03:38<@Ganneff>just test? i say around $i is a good start
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03:42<JustSoul>I think it's around $(ls /somedir); "$(ls /sd)" - it's one round; $("ls /sd") - doesn't work..
03:42<alaya>find /dir -type d
03:43<alaya>find /dir -type d -maxdepth 1
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03:46<JustSoul>alaya: in "$(find /dir -maxdepth 1 -type d)" folder "ABC DEF" work as folders "./ABC" and "DEF"
03:46<alaya>i don't understand your english
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03:46<alaya>what the hell is the "$( crap in front?
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03:48<alaya>maybe just tell us what it is your trying to do exactly
03:48<JustSoul>alaya: to writebash script that work with folders
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03:48<alaya>that's not specific
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03:49<dondelelcaro>JustSoul: there's nothing magical about dealing with directories
03:50<JustSoul>ok, I need that all SubDirs in Dir chowning there owner decide the name of folder
03:51<alaya>find can do that
03:51<alaya>man find
03:51<dondelelcaro>JustSoul: you mean you want to chown all subdirectories to the same owner as the outer folder? man find; man xargs; man stat; to see how to do that.
03:52<Steven-M>cahoot: are you still there?
03:52<JustSoul>dondelelcaro: mb alaya was right
03:52*JustSoul manning
03:53<dondelelcaro>find foo -type d -mindepth 1 -print0 |xargs -0 chown $(stat -c '%U' foo); FE.
03:54<Steven-M>cahoot: I need to know what path to specify to get kde to send sound through it.
03:54<alaya>or even for i in `find /somewhere -type d`; do ... and test for the owner...
03:54<alaya>oh stat is better
03:55<cahoot>Steven-M: by kde you mean arts?
03:56<Steven-M>cahoot: yeah, I think so
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03:56<cahoot>Steven-M: nevermind - do you want to make the headset the default sounddevice or use different deviceas for different sound apps?
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03:58<Steven-M>cahoot: the default for now
03:58<JustSoul>dondelelcaro: alaya: sorry, my question is not correct. -> I need that all SubDirs in Dir chowning there owner decide the name of -> SubDir <-
03:59<cahoot>Steven-M: asoundconf is supposed to fix that
03:59<dondelelcaro>JustSoul: what you're trying to do still isn't clear
03:59<dondelelcaro>JustSoul: try providing an example of what you mean, and your best attempt at doing it, and perhaps we'll understand.
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04:05<JustSoul>for example, I have dirs: "fake" "Mike docs" "Ann" "Boris" "Common" "Gleb" ...; I need change acl-tables and owner of each dir depend of the name, "Ann" - owner Ann, acl-file=...; "Boris" - owner Boris, acl...; "Common" and "fake" owner "Boss", acl...; "Mike docs" = owner Mike, acl...
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04:07<JustSoul>i have such script, but it's can't work with dual word dirs
04:08<JustSoul>I have about 15 dir with two word, and 2 dirs with 3 word
04:09<dondelelcaro>JustSoul: how do you expect to know what username should own the directory?
04:10<JustSoul>there are axceptions
04:11<Maulkin>JustSoul: It's a manual job I'm afraid.
04:11<Steven-M>cahoot: it didn't work but nevermind
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04:12<JustSoul>dondelelcaro: by the name of dir, users cannot rename or change permissions of there dirs
04:12<weasel>if you need acls you are doing something wrong most likely anyway
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04:12<JustSoul>one momnet, pls
04:13<Steven-M>cahoot: I'm going to bed, thanks anyway
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04:15<oskie>is clam broken in etch? I try clamscan, and it just sits there forever at 100% cpu
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04:17<oskie>f***! it took clamscan 3 mins to find out that was a virus...
04:21<Slydder>anyone know how to require public key ONLY auth with sshd? that means that entering a password upon login is not even possible.
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04:23<Maulkin>Slydder: yes.
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04:24<alaya>man 5 sshd_config
04:25<alaya>maybe ChallengeResponseAuthentication no
04:25<alaya>oh: PasswordAuthentication no
04:26<Maulkin>RSAAuthentication yes
04:26<Maulkin>PubkeyAuthentication yes
04:26<Maulkin>PasswordAuthentication no
04:26<Slydder>got it
04:26<Slydder>knew i was forgetting something. lol
04:26<Maulkin>Then restart ssh
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04:27<JustSoul>dondelelcaro: Maulkin: alaya: All dirs name=owner
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04:29<knoppix_>ist da jemand
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04:30<aptituz>knoppix_: this channel is english. if you need german support you should join However it seems that you use knoppix so this might be even wrong.
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04:31<alaya>german is not so different from english. it should be allowed
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04:31<Slydder>a LARGE portion of english is based on german
04:31<Maulkin>This is off topic. Love, me
04:32<alaya>ist da jemand = is (there) anyone i.e. "is anyone there"
04:32<Slydder>richtig. du kannst auch wat
04:33<JustSoul>я твоя не понимать
04:33<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:34<Slydder>got a strange problem with sshd on one of my servers. changed over to publickey auth and disabled passwordauth and can't login. even though all files are there and it is the same config as on all the other servers. really strange
04:34<alaya>Slydder: ssh -vvv to see what's happening
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04:36<JustSoul>zobel: on #debian-russian mostly you hear man, info, google..
04:41<Slydder>lol. sooooo stupid
04:41<Slydder>forgot to enable PermitRootLogin
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04:47<Gekz>Now, noone nazi me. I know that mp3 isn't an open format, but you know ipods. I know I can do rockbox, but I prefer battery life -_-
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04:47<Gekz>best way to create an mp3 from a wav file?
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04:48<JustSoul>"for i in $(ls /somedir{or find ...}); do; [smth do with $i]; done;" - how work with dirs, that contain more then 1 word?
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04:48<alaya>ipods suck
04:48<alaya>get an iriver player
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04:49<JustSoul>Gekz: where?
04:49<alaya>or a creative
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04:49<petemc>find . -type d | while read ; do foo "$REPLY" ; done
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04:50<JustSoul>petemc: thank you
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04:51<Aleric>Breakpoint 9 at 0xf7153559: file /usr/src/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0-2.12.7/gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf-io.c, line 136.
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04:52<cahoot>Gekz: there's maybe an alternative but lame is one tool to create mp3's
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04:52<Gekz>cahoot: I know
04:53<Gekz>I'm so tired.
04:53<cahoot>Gekz: so?
04:53<Gekz>I cant think :)
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04:53<Plokko>i have problems with bcm4xx driver
04:53<Plokko>how i can blacklist it?
04:53<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
04:55<Plokko>no console commands?
04:55<Plokko>ah also
04:55<Plokko>i have installed correctly ndiswrapper
04:56<Plokko>but if i launch modprobe ndiswrapper
04:56<Plokko>say no module found(or something similar)
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04:57<Plokko>how i can fix it?
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05:00<Plokko>mmmh i hope i've found it:add a line in /etc/modules
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05:01<shahid>i run a process "8266"
05:01<shahid>8266 pts/2 T 0:00 /opt/dynamips/bin/pemu -net nic,vlan=1,macaddr=00:00:
05:01<shahid>but after 20 or 30 seconds
05:01<shahid>it auto goes dead
05:02<shahid>shahid:/opt/dynamips/lab/iewb# Process 8266 dead!
05:02<shahid>Warning: no target process found. Waiting for it...
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05:07<shahid>any one there?
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05:07<Slydder>have you checked the logs?
05:07<dpkg>somebody said syslog was the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce.
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05:11<dpkg>hello, padski__
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05:13<alaya>i love the graphic on this page:
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05:15<padski__>"circles represent delegates to be selected" that one ?
05:15<padski__>and linked to the map! :-)
05:15<alaya>just an interesting visualization, using the circles
05:15<padski__>bubble graphs
05:16<padski__>not used to seeing it with less than an x and a y though
05:16<alaya>very cool idea
05:17<alaya>well, circle diameter is # of delegates, left-to-right is time progression in primaries
05:17<padski__>more cudly than bar charts :-)
05:17<alaya>you can't quickly see how large a primary is with a bar chart though. with this you can.
05:18<alaya>oh i guess you could huh?
05:18<padski__>and you could segment them for the states in question
05:19<padski__>but it is not cuddly :-)
05:19<alaya>its actually fun to see all the news sites, which ones do the best job of supplying the data and how
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05:20<alaya>abc loses my vote :-)
05:21<padski__>looking from outside (the UK), I'd say the democratic race is still on, but the republican race is all over
05:21<Slydder>I am needing to rebuild a .deb package with different ./configure options. does anyone know of a good tutorial for such?
05:21<Gekz>the elephants have who
05:21<alaya>Slydder: apt-source <package> then edit debian/rules
05:21<alaya>Slydder: well, its not quite that simple, but close
05:22<padski__>the abc graph get that across well (given that you know that 54% of votes have been cast)
05:22<alaya>Slydder: check out the debian new-maintaners guide
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05:23<alaya>padski__: but really it doesn't give you a comprehensive view of the entire primary season and the significance of each phase over time
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05:23<Slydder>alaya: thanks dude. found it.
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05:24<padski__>no, its lacks an entire flash production team :-)
05:24<alaya>padski__: true. i'm normally not a flash person either, but the latimes layout is at least fairly tasteful
05:25<alaya>cbsnews did not even render correctly in iceweasel
05:25<alaya>they get 0 delegates
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05:27<padski__>mind you, flash is not exactly on my best behaviour list either :-(
05:27<alaya>but for a flash graphic, its really well done
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05:29*alaya reloads the page just to watch the graphic
05:29<padski__>yes, I agree
05:29<padski__>can debtags tell me what packages *are* a web server but not stufff like "# didiwiki -- simple wiki implementation with built-in webserver"
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05:30<alaya>Provides: httpd ?
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05:31<padski__>ah! thanks :-)
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05:32<Plokko>if i run modproble ndiswrapper it can't find the module,how i can fix it?
05:33<dpkg>it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
05:34<alaya>hi, i am running 386 distro with 64-bit cpu. when i try to use module assistant to build kernels for an amd64 kernel they fail. is there some way to correct this, perhaps by telling it to use different libs?
05:34<hathe>Plokko: build the module
05:34<Plokko>can't you fix it?i know what it is
05:34<Plokko>it's installed
05:34<Plokko>and the module is loaded
05:34<hathe>Plokko: did you install it with m-a a-i?
05:35<Plokko>i used synaptic
05:35<hathe>Plokko: whats actually your problem?
05:35<alaya>are you on ubuntu?
05:35<Plokko>modprobe can't find ndiswrapper
05:35<Plokko>and bcm43xx don't work on my laptop
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05:36<padski__>Plokko, i feel your bcm43xx pain
05:36<Plokko> find the card but no wireless
05:36<padski__>Plokko, it mostly works for me on ppc
05:37<Plokko>'s unstable
05:37<alaya>Plokko: did you actually read the factoid ?
05:37<padski__>factoid == what dpkg said
05:37<alaya>!tell Plokko about ndiswrapper one-liner
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05:37<alaya>!tell Plokko about ndiswrapper
05:37<Plokko>omg dpkg i don't know
05:38<Plokko>i've used ndiswrapper a lot of time in the past
05:38<shahid>can any one help me plz
05:38<Plokko>but now modprobe can't find the module
05:38<alaya>Plokko: if you follow the directions it should build and load
05:39<Plokko>ndiswrapper -i driver and then(ndiswrapper -l to see if working) modprobe ndiswrapper
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05:40<Plokko>why is it not working???
05:41<Plokko>ah another problem
05:42<Plokko>in lenny gnome say there is no more space in root directory
05:42<Plokko>but it's a 6gb,it must be wrong
05:42<padski__>Plokko, doesn't sound good
05:42<Plokko>also i see 2 trash and home(one not working)
05:42<alaya>Plokko: what does df -h report?
05:42<Plokko>i don't know im on win now,no wireless
05:43<Plokko>also kde 4.0 is not in synaptic right?
05:43<alaya>Plokko: follow dpkg instructions on setting up ndiswrapper, then read the doc about where to put the firmware
05:43<Plokko>i must search in the kde homepage for the deb?
05:44<dpkg>hmm... kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See, or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
05:44<alaya>good night all
05:44<Plokko>i know is unstable
05:44<Plokko>but i want test it
05:45<alaya>i love my wireless kill switch :-)
05:45<Plokko>so i'll return to lenny for a test
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05:46<Plokko>can be ahci disabled the reason why gnome say who there's no more space in root dir?(sorry 4 eng)
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05:52<shahid>i run a process "8266"
05:52<shahid>but it auto goes download after 20 o r 30 seconds
05:52<shahid>can any one help me
05:52<Slydder>hmmm. was considering signing up as a maintainer but seems to be a bit of a long winded process.
05:53<dpkg>i heard syslog is the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce.
05:53<Slydder>shahid ^^
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05:53<shahid>is it possible to del the previous syslog so i can find the new one
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05:54<Slydder>just type tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog
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05:55<shahid>now what
05:55<shahid>cat /var/log/syslog
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05:56<Slydder>better is tail as cat starts from the top of the file where tail starts from the end. so "tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog" lists the last 100 lines of syslog
05:56<Slydder>tail /var/log/syslog lists the last 10 lines
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05:57<Slydder>but seeing as how you don't know what the problem is and the error code (if any) could be higher up than the last 10 lines you are better advised to output the last 100.
05:58<Slydder>after that ctrl-pageup and look for the error/exit code of the program that has died
05:58<Slydder>so start the program wait for it to die and then tail syslog
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06:01<shahid>Slydder, it dosent give any msg over there
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06:06<shahid>Slydder, ?
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06:15<shahid>any one here ?
06:15<Tuplad>can I edit the start menu manually?
06:15<vook>I'm wondering where I may report this bug/software improvement. When I am dragging text from gedit to iceweasel, certain characters aren't transferred correctly. ie. the ' becomes \u2019 - a middle click pastes it correctly...?
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06:15<Tuplad>I'd like to split some things in categories ;)
06:16<vook>Tuplad: in what window manager?
06:17<Tuplad>vook: gnome :)-
06:17<lupine_85>you mean, metacity?
06:17<vook>you can just right click on the foot
06:18<Tuplad>vook: it wont start :\
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06:18<Tuplad>vook: it loads but then nothing happens
06:18<vook>the edit menu feature?
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06:18<vook>yeah, you can change it globally too
06:19<Tuplad>vook: yep
06:19<Tuplad>vook: how can I ? :D
06:19<vook>eh, hold on...
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06:22<vook>looking.. can't remember off hand. There is sort of a master menu directory somewhere that is used for every window-manager (fluxbox, xfce, etc...)
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06:24<vook>see update-menus & /usr/share/menu
06:24<vook>man update-menus may give some hints
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06:27<monra>Hello. I was wondering if there is a way to search in .pdf files with a command without opening them? Thanks
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06:29<vook>probably if you piped the output of pdf2ps | ps2txt to grep
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06:31<monra>vook: oops..seems no possible. as i know saw the pages are scanned
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06:55<Wesley_>hi i'm trying to install ebin roma netinst. it stop at "Disabling IRQ #12" - why?
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06:58<Wesley_>from a* geesh.
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07:03<JustSoul>Wesley_: what you have on IRQ 12 ?
07:03<shahid>any one here ?
07:03<shahid>can any one help me
07:04<vook>whats the issue shahid
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07:05<shahid>8266 pts/2 T 0:00 /opt/dynamips/bin/pemu -net nic,vlan=1,macaddr=00:00: <== i run this process
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07:05<shahid>and after 20 or 30 seconds
07:05<shahid>it auto goes down :(
07:07<shahid>vook, ?
07:08<vook>afraid I can't be of help. My Cisco knowledge doesn't go that far.
07:08<Wesley_>JustSoul; no clue.. its a very old bios I dont see he irq's listed
07:08<shahid>vook: its not about cisco i think so.. the process goes down
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07:10<krassy>How i can know when my nic is connected at 1 Gbit / s or 100 Mbit /s ?
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07:12<JustSoul>Wesley_: If it VERY old, in bios you config irq, if not, after post it display device table
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07:21<Wesley_>JustSoul; i booted of the old OS.. how can I list the irq's?
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07:26<shahid>how to create vmnet1 , vmnet 2 and so on ?
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07:30<jae>*GAH*... stupid ctrl-key is stuck, in a *weird* way
07:30<jae>Sometimes (like right now) I just hate synergy
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07:34<munga>Wesley_: I didn't follow the discussion, but you can just do cat /proc/interrupts iirc or something similar
07:36<Wesley_>trying to boot up a new debian cd netinst. but it hangs at "disabling irq #12"
07:38<munga>Wesley_: if it's an old MB, you should try to manually allocate irq from the bios to avoid collisions... or to pass these irq related options to the kernel when you boot the machine
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07:39<Wesley_>I tried that, its a very very old bios. didnt sem to list the irq's
07:39<Wesley_>I just booted with noapic, nolapic and acpi=off - that worked
07:39<Wesley_>hope that doesnt bring any other problems later on
07:41<munga>did you try to disable the pnp ?
07:41<Wesley_>I think that was already the case
07:41<munga>sometimes even swapping card can help...
07:42<Wesley_>do I run in any problems afterwards when I use acpi=off?
07:42<munga>if it's an old bios probably doesn't even know about acpi
07:42<munga>maybe you mean apic ?
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07:42<Wesley_>I ran: install noapic nolapic acpi=off
07:43<Wesley_>the installer is running fine now
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07:43<munga>acpi if for the power management (fan, temp, cpu)... apic if for the irq rerouting iirc
07:44<munga>probably you mb works fine with apm
07:44<Wesley_>well lets se how far we get hehe
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08:12<JustSoul>What Easyest ftp server?
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08:16<brif8>What defines the default applications? EG I have evince and acroread to view PDFs when I select one from a webpage it allways offers evince by default and I have to select other and then fill in "/usr/bin/acroread" ?
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08:17<jMCg>brif8: /etc/alternatives/
08:17<vook>brif8: see update-alternatives
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08:19<jMCg>Btw, how do I get a listing of all updatable alternatives?
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08:19<vook>update-alternatives --all
08:23<brif8>thanks guys: I see a ps2pdf is that the pdf viewer or is that for printining pdfs?
08:24<cahoot>convert ps to pdf?
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08:26<jMCg>man ps2pdf :P
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08:32<brif8>in /etc/alternatives/ ps2pdf is the only pdf entry and there is nothing linked or listed as evince either ?
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08:32<vook>brif8: have you gone through everything?
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08:34<monra>Hello again. I'm looking for a program to read .pdf files in linux. I use xpdf but it's too slow(I got 1GB memory but because the quality of the text is good it is slow). I saw Adobe Reader but seems also very BIG... any other options maybe?
08:35<brif8>yes I ran update-alternatives --all and changed the browser ones to iceweasel. Only saw the ps2pdf nothing else and then did a ls of /etc/alternatives and as I say no evince and the only ps2pdf
08:35<cahoot>brif8: if you choose acroread to open a pdf in nautilus - isn't that choice saved for the future?
08:36<cahoot>(assuming gnome since you mentioned evince)
08:36<brif8>cahoot: no
08:36<kapil>monra: in "lenny" there is "epdfview" which is supposed to be lightweight. there is also "evince-gtk".
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08:36<brif8>I have to select it each time which is a pain and why I'm asking where to set it
08:37<monra>kapil: i got Etch. Also by the way. I don't got GNOME or KDE. I just have a minimal(nice) window manager called STUMP
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08:38<kapil>monra: unfortunately, all the newer pdf viewers use a newer poppler and upgrading to that in etch is a bit messy.
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08:38<monra>because i see from evince it installs many gnome packages wich basically i don't need
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08:39<kapil>monra: evince-gtk is lighter but not as light as epdfview. on the other hand evince handles other formats like djvu as well.
08:40<vook>monra: aptitude search pdf viewer
08:40<monra>kapil: hm.. basically at the moment i'm only interested in .pdf's .. hmm.. would it be good to install epdfviewer in etch?
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08:41<kapil>monra: you may want to just create a small lenny chroot for epdfview. mind you if you only want the *text* out of the pdf file then "pdftotext -layout" may be enough.
08:41<devil>monra: pdfedit might be worth looking at even though its at an early stage
08:42<monra>kapil: there are .ppt files that become .pdf .. you think pdftotext can work?
08:42<vook>monra: pdf2ps works well, that would open up a few options
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08:43<kapil>monra: should be enough unless strange fonts are used.
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08:44<monra>kapil: it's in greek! :S
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08:45<kapil>monra: pdftotext has an encoding option so if you can see greek text on your text screen then it should be ok.
08:46<kapil>monra: that is if the document uses some standard encoding for greek.
08:46<ugah>hello. does anybody know why the unstable dist does not have the latest nvidia drivers? unstable has them ..
08:46<kapil>monra: also look at vook's suggestion. you can convert to some other viewable format and then view the image.
08:47<monra>Anyway. :P thanks for yout help guys
08:47<vook>monra: yep - then you could just use ghostscript
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08:55<sybariten>hi, i asked this on freenode but i might as well try here too: is there a channel dedicated to "apt" or "dpkg" discussions? i thought i saw one on freenode, but its empty now....
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08:57<vook>sybariten: well - the #debian on freenode is now sort of a wasteland. I don't see to many apt or dpkg "discussions" here, but questions arise often.
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08:58<dudu>I would like your help on a little problem of dhcp relay
08:58<dudu>can someone be able to help me ?
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08:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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09:00<kapil>dudu: listen to dpkg go .. :-)
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09:01<dudu>I will try to be clear
09:01<dudu>(excuse my english)
09:01<dudu>I have a machine which run a debian 4.0
09:02<ServerSide>where do you come from?
09:03<dudu>I already post my problem on this channel (as you can see ^^)
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09:04<sybariten>vook: OK
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09:07<dudu>so I have a machine with debian 4.0 on the head of my network, it make an ip-masquerade to the internet, and he also run my dhcp server (dhcp3-server)
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09:12<dudu>I also have a debian 4.0 which works as an arp-proxy
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09:13<dudu>when I put a computer just under my main machine on dhcp I obtain a address
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09:15<sun>hi anyone know a single regex that can do the same thing as grep -c 10 'orange' file.txt | grep 'fruit' for example?
09:16<sun>(ie look for fruit within 10 lines of orange)
09:17<jMCg>sun: that's not what -c does.
09:18<sun>jmcg yes i meant -C, thanks for the deep insight
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09:19<jMCg>Whoops, sorry.
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09:19<jMCg>But yes, generally you should be able to abuse sed for that.
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09:20<jMCg>sed -e '1,10/orange/; /fruit/p' file.txt might do it.
09:20<jMCg>Not sure though.
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09:22<jMCg>It's a first and rough guess, I'd need to do some RTFMing to get it right. I think the direction is right enough.
09:22<sun>jmcg interesting.. but id still need a single regex, im using vimgrep over a set of files to browse through matches, and it would be great if i could specify that in a single regex since vimgrep only takes a single regex
09:22<Slydder>lol. what a idiot i am. just posted 4 lines of chat in the wrong window before i noticed it was the wrong chat window. lol
09:23<sun>jmcg im basically trying to use vim to 'google' the fileset
09:23<jMCg>sun: {orange,fruit} won't work?
09:24<jMCg>Nope, won't do, I think.
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09:26<jMCg>sed -e '1,10/orange/{;@fruit@}' file.txt
09:26*jMCg tries that on a real file..
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09:26<kapil>sun: can you use perl re's?
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09:27<sun>kapil i think so, vim has a pretty rich re set...
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09:28<kapil>sun: man 3 pcrepattern talks about a multiple line mode.
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09:31<noflash>!tell kapil_away -about away
09:33<sun>kmcg thanks, see you
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09:45<jMCg>I completely forgot to mention agrep
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09:49<jMCg>agrep could've done pretty much all he wanted... better than he.
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09:53<black_imposter2>hey all
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09:54<black_imposter2>i have a prob when i run a program, i get a segmentation fault what does it mean?
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09:55<voicu>hi, are there kde4 packages for etch?
09:55<ServerSide>kde4 packages are only on experimental
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09:56<themill>black_imposter2: you're program or something from the debian repo?
09:57<black_imposter2>no i compiled it from source
09:57<themill>!tell voicu about kde4
09:58<themill>black_imposter2: but it's not your program (i.e. do you have an interest in debugging this, or are you just curious)
09:59<voicu>themill: are those experimental repositories working with debian etch?
09:59<themill>voicu: no. experimental is built against sid.
09:59<black_imposter2>it a program called ascent
10:00<black_imposter2>i just want to get it working on debian
10:00<ServerSide>voicu: kde4 isn't stable yet anyway
10:00<voicu>i know, but i want to see how it works in debian
10:00<voicu>i tried it in kubuntu but it didn't go well because of composite problems
10:00<voicu>debian seems more stable (fglrx installed with no problems)
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10:02<voicu>so, aren't there kde4 packages for etch?
10:02<black_imposter2>so why do u think it would give me that error
10:02<aptituz>its not even planned for lenny, so how should it be in etch? :)
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10:03<voicu>i would settle for the experimental equivalent
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10:08<black_imposter2>is there a way around this error in debian?
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10:08<themill>black_imposter2: the technical reason is that a pointer to nothing was dereferenced. Working out where that pointer is in the source code and why it is null when dereferenced is a non-trivial thing to do, but using a development environment like kdevelop is a good start. You should contact the authors of this software to help you with the debugging effort.
10:08<voicu>if i install the kde4 package, will it go over kde3 or separately like in kubuntu?
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10:09<black_imposter2>thanks themill :-)
10:09<ServerSide>voicu kde4 owerwrite on kde3
10:10<ServerSide>here, kde4 produces kernel panics
10:10<ServerSide>that's why i wait lenny release :)
10:11<voicu>well damn, that's why you said not to try it :P
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10:11<voicu>i thought it will just be another option in the window manager list of kdm
10:12<voicu>i guess i'll just wait for lenny or kubuntu 8.10
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10:13<themill>You'll be waiting for longer than lenny
10:15<voicu>maybe. anyway, i don't think kde4 will be as usable as 3.5.8+ for a long time
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10:20<GhostlyDeath>would you rather have a computer that doesn't work that has the latest software or a computer that works and is outdated?
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10:29<aptituz>voicu: currently kde is not even considered stable by upstream ;)
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10:41<jMCg>How can I apt-cache search only in one repository, or kind of repository, such as non-free?
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10:43<pinto3>hello, i noticed my mouse freezing every once in awhile, and just noticed in my syslog that it gets removed and added every once in awhile, i just updated to the new kernel, any idea how i can keep it from updating more than once ?
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10:45<bgat>icebear, or icedove?
10:45<bgat>, iceweasel...
10:45*bgat isn't sure which is the preferred Mozilla-esque internet system right now
10:46<jMCg>pinto3: you sure it's not a loose connector or b0rked cable?
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10:48<pinto3>yeah, i haven't touched those wires in a long time
10:49<pinto3>it worked fine till i updated the amd64 kernel
10:50<jMCg>Sure, blame it on the kernel... pfft.
10:50<jMCg>If this was solaris, I would suggest to fire up mdb or dtrace.. but yeah.....
10:50<jMCg>How does one do that on Linux?
10:53<pinto3>i don't know - maybe you're right and it is a messed up wire though, i'll have to keep an eye on it
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11:03<ReedWood>hello, I have some experimental packages installed. If I do an aptitude full-upgrade, are this packages updated as well or do I need a aptitude -t experimental full-update?
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11:04<GhostlyDeath>experimental? o_O
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11:04<GhostlyDeath>does such a repository even exist?
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11:04<ReedWood>GhostlyDeath: yes
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11:05<ReedWood>GhostlyDeath: e.g. kde4 is in experimental but not yet in unstable
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11:06<GhostlyDeath>and I thought unstable was the top of the tree
11:06<GhostlyDeath>experimentals probably so bad, the developers cringe when they hear of it
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11:39<voicu>hmm, can someone help me to make wow work? when i first tried it, everything worked except the text :P, now i get an error saying "your video card doesn't support dual-TMU"
11:40<voicu>btw, what package contains glxinfo?
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11:42<Torsten_W>voicu: mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo
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11:43<voicu>ok, thanks
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11:45<rico_>can someone help meplease ?
11:45<rico_>i have a problem when I try to install debian
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11:45<voicu>haha, glxgears segfaults when i resize it :P
11:45<rico_>kernel doesn't want to install
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11:46<rico_>(sorry for my english, i'm french)
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11:49<pmenier>rico_ zyva pose ta question
11:49<rico_>ah cool
11:49<rico_>en gros quand j'arrive au choix du kernel,n je prends le 2.6.18
11:49<rico_>et pb de dpkg
11:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
11:50<crazyb0y>argh =)
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12:20<Theezakje>how can i set my ip fixed? I tried> ifconfig eth0 *ip*
12:20<Theezakje>but when I reboot my server it gets an other adress assigned by dhcp
12:20<cahoot>man interfaces
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12:26<Theezakje>cahoot: working on it
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12:31<Theezakje>how to edit files ?
12:31<Jon>Theezakje: if you are not familiar with vi, you may find "nano" fairly user-friendly
12:31<Torsten_W>with an editor of your choice. what a question.
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12:32<eeccho>hi everyone. a quick question -- i'm planning to move from mandriva to debian. is there a published list of differences in administration?
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12:32<Theezakje>sorry for the newby question, this is my first experience with cli
12:33<Jon>eeccho: the most significant difference will be apt (vs. rpm) is a good start
12:34<Jon>eeccho: possibly also
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12:35<eeccho>Jon: yes, thanks. i'm reading Krafft's 'Debian Concepts and Techniques', but it already mentions packaging
12:35<Jon>eeccho: ah cool. I haven't read that myself, but I've heard good things
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12:37<eeccho>Jon: but it doesn't pay much attention to things like managing specific services (like iptables, the book suggest writing own script while mandriva has prepared init script) etc
12:38<eeccho>so that's i'm asking about the list :)
12:38<Jon>eeccho: debian doesn't manage iptables via init.d, the advise is to use hooks in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces for the syntax: it's pre-up, pre-down, etc.)
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12:38<Jon>eeccho: I think there are some packages that can manage that but I haven't used any myself
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12:39<Jon>eeccho: the rationale is, firewall state is determined by network state, not runlevels,
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12:40<Jon>ok I'm running off home now, later all
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12:40<eeccho>Jon: true (i guess this is why mandriva initscripts involve 'dependency')
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12:40<eeccho>Jon: thanks for helf
12:41*eeccho now feels like to be the one who shall compose the diff list
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12:50<linux>hi whts up
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12:51<SniperWolf>wht is up guys
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12:54<Kebianizao|work>I want to create an user just for ssh port forwarding, so I don't want him to really access the system, I set his shell to /bin/false and I didn't created his $HOME dir, is this supposed to work?
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12:54<eeccho>Kebianizao|work: yes, so far you've described that
12:55<Kebianizao|work>but when I try to do ssh -L 1234:localhost:80 -N -f test@localhost, login failed
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12:55<themill>hmmm... I would have said no. The user won't be able to log in so the forwarding can't be established.
12:56<Kebianizao|work>themill: what if I chagne shll to /bin/true?
12:56<eeccho>oh... i've read /bin/false as /bin/bash )
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12:57<eeccho>Kebianizao|work: set login shell to /bin/bash and assign /tmp as user's homedir
12:57<themill>that won't prevent logins though
12:57<Kebianizao|work>eeccho: I would like to avoid acces to system as much as possible
12:59<Kebianizao|work>umm, I think I made I mistake and my explantion was ok. I added --disabled-login to that user by accident when doing adduser
12:59<eeccho>Kebianizao|work: what is the whole task?
12:59<Kebianizao|work>eeccho: I have a google maps key registered to localhost, and I want to show others the web app I have done
13:00<Kebianizao|work>so I just have to given them the fake user/pass to do a ssh tunnel and they will be able to see the app accessing to localhost:port
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13:01<themill>Kebianizao|work: some reading for you: section 9.2.6
13:01<Kebianizao|work>well, I can't say that being able to redirect ports is safe, but well, that's the best I could thought of
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13:01<Kebianizao|work>themill: heh! that's it :)
13:01<eeccho>Kebianizao|work: that could be achieved with simple port forwarding. or encryption is a key, too?
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13:03<Kebianizao|work>eeccho: encryption is desirable
13:03<eeccho>then i'm reading themill's link, too )
13:04<Kebianizao|work>quite good, but I don't understand one thing, on the first example: ssh2 -f -L2001:localhost:143 which user is used to login on the remote machine
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13:05<Kebianizao|work>in this case ssh takes the one I am on the local machine, but in this case the remote machine, doesn't have to have a user name after mine's
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13:09<Schreck>"mkrescue -initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686" ==> mkrescue is not found.. Any other way to make a boot disk ? o_O
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13:10<Kebianizao|work>Schreck: download a debian-installer
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13:10<Schreck>Kebianizao|work: Thanks I'll try it ! :)
13:11<Kebianizao|work>Schreck: and burn it ;)
13:11<Schreck>Kebianizao|work: lol Okay... :)
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13:12<Schreck>Kebianizao|work: I'm following a book... To have a secure way to have 2 OS on the same machine
13:12<Schreck>Using LILO
13:12<Kebianizao|work>Schreck: lilo! :O I wouldn't use lilo, if you want to know why try grub
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13:13<armin>Guten Abend zusammen :-)
13:14<Schreck>Kebianizao|work: Well... I'm starting using Debian... o_O
13:15<Theezakje>grub should work fine
13:15<armin>and good evening too :-)
13:15<eeccho>Schreck: lilo has 'restricted' and 'mandatory' options for each image. to use these, yours /etc/lilo.conf has to have password=somePassword and 600 its permissions. 'mandatory' requires user to enter a password in order to boot an image, while 'restricted' needs a password only when a user is trying to modify boot parameters
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13:16<Schreck>eeccho: Okay... :) Let's GRUB ! ^^
13:16<eeccho>damn... )
13:17<armin>just looking around for help on compiling third party modules for a 2.6.18 kernel
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13:17<Theezakje>what kind of books about linux and debian can you recommend??
13:18<eeccho>Theezakje: 'The Debian System - Concepts and Techniques' by Martin F. Krafft
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13:19<eeccho>if on linux, in general, O'Reilly's 'Running Linux'
13:20<Theezakje>yes, i have that one on the shelf :)
13:20<eeccho>they've recently issued 4th edition
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13:22<Theezakje>will look for that one
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13:23<Theezakje>an ubuntu-related question, does anyone know why ppc is suspended?
13:24<Kebianizao|work>!tell Theezakje about ubuntu
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13:25<Theezakje>I allmost forgot dinner
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13:35<jaws>ima li koga
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13:35<Kebianizao|work>see you
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14:11<quique->Hi digger
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14:27<ajricoveri>i need to solve this prob asap .. i cant get to install mysql-server at all =( ....
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14:31<ajricoveri>i need to solve this prob asap .. i cant get to install mysql-server at all =( ....
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14:39<Theezakje>ajricoveri: what you could find on google ?
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14:40<ajricoveri>Theezakje, purge mysql-server and then reinstall
14:41<Theezakje>what does README.Debian.gz says?
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14:46<ajricoveri>Theezakje, its actually a proxy server, it was being administrated by other guy and then i came in and found this debian installation =(
14:47<Theezakje>ajricoveri: to be honest, i am new at linux and debian so can't give you a straight answer
14:48<ajricoveri>Theezakje, np
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14:48<Theezakje>what is the error that dpkg produced?
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14:49<ajricoveri>dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
14:49<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
14:49<ajricoveri> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
14:49<ajricoveri>Errors were encountered while processing:
14:49<ajricoveri> mysql-server-5.0
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14:50<asenko>hi all
14:50<asenko>kto-nit' po-russki govorit?
14:50<quique->hi asenko
14:50<Theezakje>ruskii govorit ?
14:51<bartm>asenko, Theezakje... english ?
14:51<bartm>yes :)
14:51<Theezakje>bartm: :) he's a russian
14:51<bartm>Theezakje: and you sound dutch :)
14:51<asenko>aim from Moskow
14:51<Theezakje>i am
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14:51<asenko>kak perekluchenie klaviaturi namutit'?:)
14:52<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:52<Theezakje>asenko: English is required
14:52<Theezakje>ah nice
14:52<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
14:52<bartm>asenko: so if you need russian, then please go to #debian-russian
14:53<Theezakje>bartm: for irc, you type out both names ?
14:53<bartm>ajricoveri: can you debug the .postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
14:53<bartm>Theezakje: just a few letters and then I hit the tab key
14:53<asenko>Many thanks
14:53<asenko>vot urodi=)
14:53<Theezakje>and if you use more names?
14:54<Theezakje>hit tab twice :P
14:54<bartm>Theezakje: then I do that multiple times
14:54<Theezakje>mirc cant do that,
14:54<Theezakje>chatzilla does
14:54<bartm>Theezakje: of course, I use xchat, and I use the coolest version of xchat ever in debian :)
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14:55<Theezakje>xchat works in debian without a gui ?
14:55<bartm>xchat is a gui irc client, so not text-only
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14:56<quique->xchat is a gui for the IRC
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14:57<bartm>ajricoveri: progress ?
14:57<moez>Anyone know how to change geometric size of the gnome terminal in launch ?
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14:58<bartm>moez: see "man gnome-terminal", option --geometry
14:58<moez>bartm : Thx!
14:58<bartm>moez: most questions can be answered by "read the fine manual" :)
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14:59<moez>bartm : Yes, that's right!
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15:00<pobega>Greetings #debian
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15:03<Theezakje>xchat is commercial software?
15:04<andresvia>The xdmpc server (GDM) is listed on a client but no login screen is shown. What can I do?
15:04<Rat409>only windows version thats pre-compiled iirc
15:04<quique->yes Theezakje, but only for windows :P
15:04<andresvia>Theezakje, there are some free builds.
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15:04<mentor>Theezakje: Only in a marginally illegal way
15:04<Rat409>you can get source and build it for free on doze i think
15:05<digger>andresvia: Hi. Do you created the new initrd? :)
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15:05<Theezakje>i dont know how to build it from source
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15:05<andresvia>digger, initrd?
15:05<Theezakje>anywhere to find info ?
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15:05<digger>andresvia, yes
15:06<Theezakje>mentor: aha, thanx :)
15:06<andresvia>digger, yeah, I add dm-mod to the modules list in /etc/mkinitrdfs.conf
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15:06<Theezakje>is it legal ?
15:06<andresvia>But this is not related to the xdmcp issue, right?
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15:11<Theezakje>mentor: is it legal?
15:12<moez>Do you know where the keyboard shortcuts are saved in gnome ? In fluxbox, it's the ".session" file i think.
15:12<mentor>Theezakje: No, I don't think the distribution for Windows is legal.
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15:14<guillaume>I have problem with my system file under testing : / seem to be full but I can't find what's using /
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15:14<Xtra>xchat works
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15:15<Xtra>good stuff
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15:25<latenal>hello, where can I see a boot log?
15:26<Maulkin> /var/log/kern.log? /var/log/syslog ?
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15:26<latenal>Maulkin, thank you
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15:43<a_dave>hi all, I installed exim4 and uninstalled the default ssmail, and now 'mail' is 'command not found'. help?
15:44<guillaume> can anybody help me to solve this output by resizing ext3 partition /home (-50Go) --> / (+50go) under lvm2 ?
15:44<guillaume>a_dave: aptitude show mail return an output ?
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15:45<a_dave>guillaume: unable to locate package mail
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15:47<guillaume>a_dave: can u post your /etc/apt/sources.list file in pastebin ?
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15:52<erdanblo>Hi, i know how to know the UUID from one partition, i rode that it's with vol_id but i don't have this cmd, and i don't know i wich packet it is. Thank you.
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15:52<erdanblo>* want to know
15:52<a_dave>guillaume: nevermind, I had been doing it piecemeal via apt-get, but dselect fixed it all up for me
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15:54<craigevil>erdanblo: uuid is to verify the UUID numbers in /etc/fstab, type, as user:~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
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15:55<erdanblo>craigevil, thank you, i suposse that this is uuid: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2008-02-06 17:02 6e0d0f54-e44b-44f4-b280-24b6081a75d0 -> ../../sda7
15:55<erdanblo>, yes?
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15:56<guillaume> can anybody help me to solve this output by resizing ext3 partition /home (-50Go) --> / (+50go) under lvm2 ?
15:57<guillaume>Can I do that without booting from a live cd ?
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15:59<erdanblo>My problem is that i have problems with some removable devices, and the moment, that i mount it. sometimes, when i connect my pendrive he take the simbolic links (/dev/sdb) of my portable hd
15:59<erdanblo>i'm trying to do this:
16:00<erdanblo>but, i'm testing, and in debian the command "devlabel" not exist, any idea?
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16:24<ubuntu>hey guys how would i reinstall grub with a live cd?
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16:31<digger>chump_, try to use rescue system in live cd menu
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16:32<digger>chump_, and after that mount your root part., use a grub command
16:33<noflash>digger, he/she/it left ;)
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16:33<digger>noflash, it is very fast and smarty user :)
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16:39<Guest582>can anyone suggest a video converter for divx xvid etc.. to dvd?
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16:41<lupine_85>Guest582: I use videotrans
16:41<lupine_85>it's not in the debian repositories, but it's the only thing I've found that can do the job reliably, every time
16:41<lupine_85>(it uses dvdauthor and mencoder to do the actual work)
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16:49<Guest582>thanks lupine ill try it
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16:52<Aleric>I need a custom link in /etc/alternatives. How would I do that? Is there an application to configure this?
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16:53<lupine_85>Aleric: see update-alternatives ?
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16:55<dpkg>somebody said kde4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See, or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
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17:03<Aleric>lupine_85: I don't understand the documentation :/
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17:04<Aleric>I have a symbolic link /etc/alternatives/, how can I find what name(?) link(?) it belongs to?
17:04<Aleric>Ie, the documentation speaks about: update-alternatives --display vi
17:05<Aleric>Then 'vi' is the name.
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17:09<guillaume>how to change size of debian-root and debian-home under testing ?
17:09<joshrulez2>has anyone here used their ipod with debian?
17:10<joshrulez2>as i am having trouble getting debian to recognise it
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17:17<ReedWood>hello, someone on who has kde4 installed from experimental?
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17:24<ReedWood>ok a bit more concrete.
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17:25<ReedWood>I have packages (KDE4) installed from experimental and I wonder if they gets updates it I update the system using aptitude.
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17:27<ReedWood>hmm. I think I want to know if they become updated.
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17:41<Aleric>Ok, I got everything working now: flash, mplayer, pdf, java ... is now finished.
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17:45<Aleric>Shit, I accidently ran 'rm -rf /tmp' :/
17:45<Aleric>I meant rm -rf tmp
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18:04<digger> :)
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18:09<bjoern>guten abend!
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18:21<xayon>Hi there... I Don't know exactly why but after installing snort and bastille X11 apps works really bad, even doesnt start until I do iptables -F, x terminal emulators takes up to 30s to start
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18:25<padski>xayon, bastille is security hardening ?
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18:27<MIK3M4N>hello, can someone spend some time to help someone new to linux out? maybe through PM
18:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:30<MIK3M4N>how do I install x window system after the netinst base install?
18:30<themill>!install x
18:30<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
18:31<MIK3M4N>install kde
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18:31<padski>or you might think about using tasksel to install "desktop"
18:31<padski>or "kde-desktop"
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18:32<MIK3M4N>yeah, I am looking at installing fluxbox, but I have no startx at all, it was a base netinst
18:32<witte>!tell MIK3M4N about install kde
18:33<themill>!install kde
18:33<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see
18:33<witte>MIK3M4N: in that case, just do what dpkg told about install x, and afterwards aptitude install fluxbox
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18:34<padski>i fancy startx is in one of the xorg packages, or there is xdm or gdm or kdm
18:34<MIK3M4N>witte> is it better to log in as root, or just use sudo?
18:34<witte>MIK3M4N: either will do
18:34<padski>matter of taste
18:35<witte>MIK3M4N: you just should log in as root graphically
18:35<padski>not ??
18:35<MIK3M4N>ok standby guys :)
18:35<dondelelcaro>you shouldn't ever log on as root
18:35<themill>witte: brainfreeze or typo?
18:36<witte>MIK3M4N: you should not log in as root graphically ;-)
18:36*dondelelcaro calls back the attack helicopters
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18:36<padski>ok, we all agree on that :-)
18:36<MIK3M4N>ok, switched back to user, gonna use sudo
18:36<themill>I hate it when I'm travelling and I don't know the words for "not". You ask for directions and you're not sure if they said "go left down there" or "do NOT go left down there"...
18:37<witte>themill: if you do not know the word not in that language, i wonder how you would understand the rest they tell you :-)
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18:39<themill>witte: well you often know words like left and right but there are often many different forms of the negative (no, not, without, anything but, skip, miss, etc)
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18:40<MIK3M4N>ok, 0 pkgs installed or upgraded, I guess I have xorg and fluxbox? or do I have to do a aptitude update or something like that
18:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:41<padski>MIK3M4N, please paste the output
18:43<MIK3M4N>sry, its beside me on a different computer, if I can get into x I can probably install an irc client, but I cant yet
18:43<padski>did it install anything at all ?
18:44<themill>MIK3M4N: what's the output of apt-cache policy xorg? Does it show a version "Installed"? "Candidate"?
18:44<MIK3M4N>no for both (xorg or fluxbox) at the end it says "1 not upgraded" for both
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18:46<MIK3M4N>themill> i am fairly new, how do I read the output of apt-cache?
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18:47<themill>MIK3M4N: If it's installed, there will be a line that looks like "Installed: 1:7.1.0-19"
18:47<MIK3M4N>the only experience I have is with live distros, slax to be exact
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18:49<MIK3M4N>oh wait, looks like the package name didnt match, but they have one called xserver-xorg-core
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18:51<MIK3M4N>I just did the "aptitude install xorg" and it didnt install anything new
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18:51<themill>What did the Installed line in apt-cache policy xorg say?
18:52<padski>MIK3M4N, what release is this ?
18:52<themill>padski: I'm thinking it must be sarge.
18:53<padski>themill, I chalk up a lot of !ubuntu with that question ;-)
18:53<themill>padski: yeah.... actually, xserver-xorg-core wasn't in sarge either...
18:54<themill>padski: but even ubuntu has had an "xorg" package since edgy.
18:55<padski>all the same, it helps to narrow things down a bit when there is no paste
18:55<MIK3M4N>version is 40r netinst, just downloaded it today, believe its sarge
18:55<padski>r2 ?
18:56<themill>MIK3M4N: 4.0 is etch (3.1 was sarge)
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18:56<padski>fresh today would be r2
18:56<MIK3M4N>whats the sys command to get the version?
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18:57<MIK3M4N>the main debian page says 40r2
18:57<themill>MIK3M4N: cat /etc/debian_version or dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 or uname -a
18:57<padski>MIK3M4N, there is no definitive way to identify the version of an installation, because of the mix-and-match possibilities of a package managed system, but 'cat /etc/issue' is good
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18:58<MIK3M4N>yup, 4.0
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19:00<MIK3M4N>could it be that I just never configured x yet? sorry for being new, I am reading web pages as well as talking with you guys
19:00<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
19:00<MIK3M4N>the netinst iso is very bare, but this is what I wanted
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19:02<padski>MIK3M4N, there is no X on netinst
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19:02<witte>padski: can't you select desktop, and won't it install (after download) gnome?
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19:03<MIK3M4N>hmmm, lol I just found that out, "Package "xserver-xorg" not installed
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19:03<padski>witte, there is a 'kde-desktop' target
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19:04<witte>padski: ok, that is also an option, but i mean if you just hit enter on all things, i think it will install a X environment (and that's by default gnome)
19:04<MIK3M4N>should I just download the full cd iso's? or should I aptitude install xserver-xorg
19:05<witte>MIK3M4N: aptitude install xorg
19:05<padski>witte, yes gnome-dekstop is the default. now I look I see you don't get kde-desktop when you 'taskes
19:06<padski>when you 'tasksel --list-tasks'
19:06<padski>but it is in /usr/share/tasksel/kde debian-tasks.desc
19:07<padski>sorry, /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc
19:07<witte>padski: ah, it is somewhere an option in a boot menu, and i do not use taksel normally, so i will just believe on that :-)
19:07<witte>s/just believe/just believe you/
19:07<themill>!install kde
19:07<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see
19:08<padski>witte, yeah, this is why I'm like "you might consider" rather than "do this" with tasksel. I'm not entirely comfortable with it.
19:08<themill>normal tasksel during an installation just says "desktop" and gives you gnome which shits me up the wall
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19:08<hachi_>how long till openldap in debian will support EXTERNAL sasl auth again?
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19:09<hachi>I'm a little put-off by the fact that it's now broken
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19:09<Aleric>My harddisk is dieing :(
19:09<padski>hachi, in sid ?
19:09<hachi>in any version
19:10<hachi>I don't really care
19:10<hachi>experimental is fine with me to get this support back again
19:10<padski>hachi, its a bug in all three ?
19:10<hachi>I dunno
19:10<padski>can you tell me which one you do know about ?
19:11<hachi>used to work in 2.3.38, doesn't work in 2.4.7
19:11<hachi>course, I upgraded my slapd thinking that there's no way they would put a big regression like that into testing
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19:13<padski>so you're on lenny
19:13<padski>is there a bug report filed ?
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19:15<hachi>I haven't been able to figure out how to search bug reports against a particular package
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19:17<hachi>I don't see a way to search them
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19:18<hachi>that takes me to the index page which I'm well aware of
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19:18<hachi>but I'd like to search the body text, because someone may not have given a subject that catches my eye
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19:18<themill>hachi: I either use a google site search or use iceweasel's live search
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19:20<MIK3M4N>thx for the help guys, I need a diff release, netinst bare is not compatible with noobs
19:20<padski>reportbug has some facilities to search bug reports against a particular package
19:20<joshrulez2>hmm im having trouble installing ipod-convenience, i get an error saying i need libgpod3 and when i try to install that i get further errors for other packages which cannot be upgraded...
19:21<padski>and it is also handy for reporting bugs :-)
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19:21<hachi>themill: the bug was reported, and sorta denied
19:21<themill>hachi: :(
19:21<hachi>"I believe that
19:21<hachi>new code will support SASL EXTERNAL"
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19:21<hachi>that was last year
19:22<hachi>I'm kinda tired of playing wackamole with this, it's been like 3 weeks since I caught the first problem with this upgrade
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19:22<padski>you reported it ? or someone else ?
19:23<dondelelcaro>hachi: did you check the link that I sent you? it gives you an example of searching a specific package
19:23<hachi>dondelelcaro: I used it
19:23<padski>bug no ?
19:23<hachi>that's how I found it
19:23<Aleric>Does copying 12 GB from a RAID5 of three baracuda's to itself have to take 30 minutes???
19:23<padski>Aleric, barcuda is bit vague
19:23<dondelelcaro>hachi: ah, ok; it wasn't clear from what you were talking about
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19:24<padski>Aleric, how are you copying ?
19:24<Aleric>80 GB, 10k rpm, 3GB/s SATA
19:24<Aleric>cp -pr
19:25<padski>and is the destination another partition ?
19:25<padski>and you usually see what kind of write speeds onto the array ?
19:26<Aleric>No idea, I think my harddisks are very slow :/
19:26<Aleric>I'm always waiting for them.
19:26<padski>Aleric, is this hardware raid 5 ?
19:26<padski>hdparm is handy
19:27<padski>for a quick benchmark test
19:27<Aleric>I did a lot of benchmarking on these disks in the past, in order to tune the kernel parameters :/
19:27<padski>what sorts of size of the files ?
19:27<Aleric>Compiled stuff, so not very big.
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19:28<padski>so even without another partition it is perhaps seek times that are dominating ?
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19:28<dondelelcaro>yeah, the big question is when you start dealing with files way larger than the cache
19:29<gpm>hey guys. a website is telling me i have to use windows, is there a way i can tell it i am running windows/firefox instead of debian/iceweasel?
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19:29<dondelelcaro>gpm: there are some user-agent plugins, and you can modify it directly in about:config
19:29<witte>gpm: email them that their website is broken
19:29<gpm>witte: hehe, yes
19:29<Aleric>I think the barracuda has 2 ms average seek time, and I saw like 6MB/s on average on each disk with gkrellm - so, that is 12 kB on average per seek :/
19:30<padski>Aleric, 2ms ??
19:30<dpkg>it has been said that lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of (who isn't named after the LInux LOader)
19:30<dpkg>grub is, like, the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr>.
19:30<dondelelcaro>gpm: but there are other ways that they may be detecting it, like checking for specific javascript bugs. [In those cases, where I absolutely must use their website, I modify the javascript
19:31<padski>Aleric, not on a 10k disk
19:31<padski>but I'm still surprised that it is as bad as you say
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19:32<themill>gpm: the user agent switched plugin is quite effectice at dealing with that.
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19:38<Aleric>shit man, something is wrong
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19:38<Aleric>my terminal window just crashed just like that... and when I open a new one - it prints 'Segmentation fault' ... some script that I always run suddenly crashes :/
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19:39<Aleric>I'm going to reboot ...
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20:06<jeff_lin>i hav a doubt
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20:16<hachi>I mounted a filesystem, did some work, and now I want to unmount the filesystem
20:16<hachi>device is busy, it's not being held by my shell's process tree, and there are no other programs running
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20:17<hachi>what can cause this
20:17<themill>hachi: check using lsof and fuser
20:17<hachi>no results
20:17<hachi>already checked with those
20:17<themill>hachi: did you copy large files too or from the filesystem?
20:18<themill>hachi: it can take a while to actually copy the data to network or usb filesystems. The transfer appears to happen straightaway but is buffered by the kernel.
20:18<hachi>local disk, very fast
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20:18<hachi>vmstat shows it silent
20:19<themill>try running sync
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20:19<hachi>umount blocks while the sync happens, that's how it's been for many years now
20:19<themill>If you mount with the sync option it doesn't do that, but performance can go down and wear on cf disks goes up... but solves that problem.
20:19<hachi>sync isn't helping anyways
20:19<themill>hachi: umount can sometimes say "device busy" rather htan blocking.
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20:20<hachi>still, this was 700MB of data... many minutes ago
20:20<themill>hachi: if sync returns straight away, then that's not the problem.
20:20<hachi>SCA disks, not slow
20:20<hachi>sync returns right away
20:20<themill>no idea then.... and 01:20 is > themill's bed time.....
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20:21<themill>hachi: good luck with it! (try umounting again... that often works too... but that's normally because of syncing lags)
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20:21<eldowan>Could someone help me with wireless networking? I've got a hp nc8430 running etch and knetworking manager. root can run the program and see networks, but any user is unable. Is there something I'm missing?
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20:22<themill>eldowan: you need to be in the netdev group. Double check that. (run id at the command prompt)
20:22<themill>night all
20:22<eldowan>themill: thanks
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20:24<blal>Am having CD burning troubles. Walk me through this. I get an error message when I try to burn a CD. Full details here:
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20:24<blal>With a CD in the drive, it tells me "wodim: No disk / Wrong disk!"
20:24*blal cries.
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20:25<witte>blal: tried with an other disk?
20:25<blal>witte : Two different disks.
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20:26<blal>witte : Both of which I burned using that same CD-RW (w/ DVD-ROM) drive. Not sure what I screwed up between now & then.
20:26<witte>blal: i usually just use k3b to burn stuff...
20:26<dpkg>from memory, k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or, or 'teh uber'!
20:27<blal>witte : Is it "teh uber"?
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20:27<witte>blal: it works for me :-), but I don't burn cd's that often
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20:27<blal>witte : We're in the same class of users, then.
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20:28<witte>blal: it is graphical, and in fact it looks like nero for windows
20:29<blal>witte : How cute.
20:29<witte>blal: it is "teh uber" ;-)
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20:46<Aleric>Man - everything tumbled down suddenly - I couldn't even leave X :/
20:46<Aleric>Gave me some error...
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20:46<Aleric>Nevertheless, I think the whole problem was related to me accidently doing rm -rf /tmp as non-root.
20:47<Aleric>One of the things that did was setting HISTSIZE to 0, and bash turns out to crash when you do history -r file, with HISTSIZE set to 0.
20:48<Aleric>Hmm, this is not good... my windows look differently :/
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20:50<adam_>i have a couple questions about ubuntu
20:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
20:50<adam_>thanks m8.
20:50<adam_>how do i join that channel?
20:51<witte>adam_: you should first log in to the server
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20:51<witte>adam_: and there you should "/join #ubuntu"
20:51<adam_>alright. thanks a lot witte :)
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20:54<Aleric>Seems I lost how my gnome windows looked like :/
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21:19<arguapacha>Hi... I want my debian to use the british english language but configure timezone and keyboard and those regional settings for my country (spanish speaking). How can I do that? I selected british locale, but gmt -5 time zone... but it keeps changing the time to gmt every time I start the PC...
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21:20<witte>arguapacha: tzconfig should set the time
21:20<witte>arguapacha: after that, you can use ntp to synchronize your clock
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21:21<arguapacha>thank you... I am goinf to try... by the way, what do you use to reply to my questions? do you type my nick every time? don't think so
21:22<witte>arguapacha: they call it tab completion ;-)
21:22<arguapacha>witte: ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh
21:22<arguapacha>geeks are smart
21:22<arguapacha>thank you!
21:23<Guest678>can't i use just Win button to pop up launch menu?
21:23<witte>arguapacha: don't thank me, thank the person who implemented it ;-)
21:23<witte>Guest678: yes, but it depends on your window manager
21:23<witte>Guest678: you just have to assign a command to that keystroke
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21:24<Guest678>witte, i'm in keyboard shortcuts menu in control center and it doesn't accept just Win button
21:24<Guest678>it wants me second button
21:25<witte>Guest678: ah, ok. It uses it as a dead key (like alt or ctrl) it seems
21:26<witte>Guest678: in that case i am not sure, it should be possible
21:26<witte>Guest678: i use the win-key to open programs: win-x is x-term, win-t is thunderbird (icedove), ... never tried win alone :-)
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21:27<witte>of course, i have no start button in windowmaker ;-)
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21:28<Guest678>i want to install vmware tools in debian but it want me c header files and a c compiler
21:28<Guest678>i installed gcc and it want me c header files already.
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21:29<Guest678>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
21:29<Aleric>I just deleted my home directory :(((
21:29<Guest678>usr/src/linux/include is its default path and there wasn't that directory
21:29<Aleric>I had a bind mount to a chroot, and I deleted the chroot...
21:30<dondelelcaro>Aleric: immediately mount your home filesystem read only
21:30<Aleric>It's gone
21:30<Guest678>i installed linux-kernel-sources package and there is now.. but it ask me for version.h in linux/include directory
21:30<dondelelcaro>(unless you have backups)
21:30<witte>Guest678: do you have the package untarred?
21:30<Guest678>witte, yes
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21:30<dondelelcaro>Aleric: mount -o remount,ro /home
21:31<Aleric>dondelelcaro: and now? :(
21:32<dondelelcaro>Aleric: what type of filesystem is it?
21:32<dondelelcaro>that's a bit dicey to recover from
21:33<Aleric>Oh shit...
21:33<Aleric>There is stuff on it that I have no backup of at ALL
21:33<Aleric>lots of work
21:33<dondelelcaro>well, your most important first step is to make an image of /home
21:34<Aleric>It's 10 GB
21:34<dondelelcaro>doesn't really matter how big it is
21:35<Aleric>How can I check if the read-only mount succeeded?
21:36<path>fdisk -l
21:36<dondelelcaro>Aleric: cat /proc/mounts
21:36<dondelelcaro>Aleric: instead of rw you should see ro
21:37<Supaplex>gah. now I know why I hate nvidia.ko
21:37<Supaplex>Feb 6 19:28:28 li kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0
21:37<Supaplex>0000000000000d8 RIP:
21:37<Supaplex>Feb 6 19:28:28 li kernel: [<ffffffff884a08d3>] :nvidia:_nv004155rm+0x2d/0xf4
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21:37<Aleric>/dev/md5 /home ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
21:37<Aleric>it is still rw
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21:37<Supaplex>oops. that should have been two lines. stupid mac
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21:38<dondelelcaro>Aleric: then you need to rerun mount -o remount,ro /home;
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21:38<Aleric>dondelelcaro: it doesn't work
21:38<dondelelcaro>Aleric: "doesn't work" how?
21:38<Aleric>hikaru:/home>sudo mount -o remount,ro /home
21:38<Aleric>mount: /opt2/sid-386-chroot/home is busy
21:38<Aleric>/encrypted/cdeh/do_prompt: line 10: /dev/null: Permission denied
21:38<Aleric>hikaru:/home>cat /proc/mounts | grep home
21:38<Aleric>/dev/md5 /home ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
21:38<dondelelcaro>Aleric: so figure out what is using /home, and kill it off.
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21:39<Aleric>everything is using home
21:39<Aleric>I'm running X :/
21:39<dondelelcaro>go to single user mode
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21:40<Deselect>Hello, I was hoping I could get some assistance with my sound card. I have no sound. I have verified that it is installed and was working before a dist-upgrade. This is my card, an m-audio audiophile 2496
21:40<Deselect>Chipset ICE1712 (Envy24)
21:40<Deselect>I am at a loss and seriously need some help. :)
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21:41<dondelelcaro>Aleric: in any event, you're going to have to image the drive, and then grep through it to find whatever matters most
21:42<jamesrkept>Hey guys I am having a reall strange issue with my laptop (Acer ferrari 4000) and debian. I can't get X to work using the correct drivers. My graphics card is ATI Radeon x700 I have been using ubuntu with 'ati', 'radeon' and 'fglrx' drivers (on separate occassions) and worked fine, when using them in debian 4.0 it black screens me, I have to switch to vesa for something that I barely call useable 800x600 res :\
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21:46<witte>jamesrkept: you have xserver-xorg-video-ati? and can you upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin?
21:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:46<arguapacha>jamesrkept: tried downloading the latest drivers? mine works perfectly... but not an acer
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21:46<jamesrkept>widrone, Ofcourse i'll upload. Basically its fresh install of debian with x windows and base packages installed.
21:47<jamesrkept>I have not downloaded nothing, I just assumed edited xorg.conf changing ati -> radeon, didn't work and also tried fglrx, also didn't work reverted to vesa.. worked but not acceptable.
21:47<jamesrkept>I'll install the packages now.
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21:48<jamesrkept>xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version.
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21:49<witte>jamesrkept: ok, just checking, that would have been the easiest solution :-)
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21:49<witte>jamesrkept: oh, and i would like the /var/log/Xorg.0.log of the failed session (maybe the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?)
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21:50<jamesrkept>I doubt the logs will be useful as it didn't fail.
21:50<jamesrkept>it started to a black screen
21:50<jamesrkept>I had to alt+f# out of it
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21:51<witte>jamesrkept: did you manually alter xorg.conf or did you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
21:52<Supaplex>s/NEW/cn NEW/
21:52<jamesrkept>i dpkg-recon'd first then edited the driver line
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21:53<alaya>HcnNY Supaplex
21:53<Supaplex>alaya: :)
21:54*Supaplex digs up why is in his dmesg
21:55<witte>jamesrkept: that is one where you used the vesa driver
21:55<witte>jamesrkept: can you upload one with the ati driver?
21:55<jamesrkept>i don't have one with the ati drive
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21:56<jamesrkept>check that first, if you can't spot anything, i'll delet xorg.cong.log* then revert to ati, and pastebin the log if a log is written.
21:56<alaya>Supaplex: i can't even get fglrx or ipw3945 modules to build with amd64 kernel
21:56<Supaplex>oh wow. just like last time. debian bts #465006 haha that's my bug all over again. *sigh*
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21:56<Supaplex>!curse #456006
21:56<dpkg>May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, #456006!
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21:57<witte>jamesrkept: running etch?
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21:57<witte>jamesrkept: and you are sure your laptop can handle 1680x1050? (otherwise that could also be the problem)
21:58<jamesrkept>postivie i've used it before, i've been doing dual screen + compiz in ubuntu
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21:58*witte has only 1280x800 :(
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21:58<jamesrkept>also tried reverting it to 1280x1024 no luck there
21:58<jamesrkept>its not res
21:58<jamesrkept>i had dual screen 1680 x 1050 and compiz on ubuntu :)
21:58<jamesrkept>looked sexy++
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21:59<jamesrkept>want me to try and produce a log then?
21:59<witte>the xorg.conf looks fine, so please make the log
21:59<jamesrkept>ok brb
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22:04<jamesrkept>witte, is it a fonts error?
22:05<Supaplex>can the nv module use PCIe devices? I have PCI:2:0:0 as the busid.
22:05<witte>jamesrkept: those warnings in the beginning are not a problem
22:05<witte>Supaplex: mine works
22:05<jamesrkept>rascals and your PCIe
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22:06<Supaplex>strange. I get no screens found from startx
22:06<jamesrkept>my god its 3am
22:06<dpkg>time is, like, found on, or 2008.02.07 3:06:08, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
22:06<jamesrkept>gotta be up at 8 am to take kids to school
22:06<witte>jamesrkept: 4am in belgium ;-)
22:06<jamesrkept>witte, best get cracking ;)
22:06<Supaplex>it's 8pm here :)
22:06<jamesrkept>Supaplex, location ?
22:06<Supaplex>salt lake city
22:06<jamesrkept><-- god damn United kingdom anyone welcome :)
22:06<Deselect>Anyone care to assist me in fixing my sound card? Used to work before dist-upgrade. I have an m-audio audiophile 2496 (ice1712 chipset). It still shows as installed, cannot get any audio ploayback
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22:07<jamesrkept>that includes immigrats migrants, any other mother ..
22:07<jamesrkept>getting back on track, any ideas witte ?
22:07<witte>RADEON(0): Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name)
22:08<Supaplex>Deselect: the only idea I have is, check the mixer settings.
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22:08<Deselect>Supaplex: I have many times, it seems okay there.
22:08<Deselect>I don't know. Le sigh...
22:08<jamesrkept>witte, what that mean?
22:09<jamesrkept>Deselect, just use windows, much easier mate.
22:09<Deselect>Windows shortens my life span
22:09<jamesrkept>there is nothing wrong with windows
22:09<jamesrkept>it has over half the market
22:09<Supaplex>Deselect: nice quote. I'm stealing that. :-D
22:09<witte>jamesrkept: that means that it somehow does recognize that setting
22:10<jamesrkept>witte, 1680x1050 is possible
22:10<jamesrkept>why does it flake out when using ati drivers
22:10<Supaplex>because non-free is tEh SUCK
22:10<Supaplex>~toture non-free
22:11<Supaplex>!toture non-free
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22:11<Supaplex>dpkg: test
22:11<dpkg>Test Failed.
22:11<alaya>spell much?
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22:11<Supaplex>apparently not?
22:11<alaya>!torture misspellers
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22:12*jamesrkept cries
22:12<jamesrkept>like a baby
22:12<witte>jamesrkept: can you find the hsync and vrefresh rates of your monitor
22:13<jamesrkept>i have my old ubuntu xorgs
22:13<jamesrkept>hang on
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22:13<witte>put them in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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22:15<Supaplex>!torture non-free
22:15*dpkg plucks all non-free's finger and toenails out, and dips them in lemon juice until non-free talks
22:15<witte>jamesrkept: ok, put lines 92 and 93 in your xorg.conf, and retry
22:15<Supaplex>there we go. :-D
22:15<jamesrkept>im gangsta
22:15<jamesrkept>and pissed
22:15<jamesrkept>you would mean s/vesa/ati/ to?
22:15<Supaplex>!tell jamesrkept -about enter
22:15<witte>jamesrkept: yes of course
22:15<jamesrkept>i love it
22:15<jamesrkept>me sing
22:15<jamesrkept>restarting X
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22:16<Supaplex>alaya: I fixed !tourture
22:17*Supaplex waits for the alaya's eye to twitch over the intentional ty0p
22:17<alaya>is that like torturing someone with a tourette-syndrome fit?
22:17<Supaplex>!torture non-free
22:17*dpkg plucks all non-free's finger and toenails out, and dips them in lemon juice until non-free talks
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22:18*jamesrkept beats witte with his sexy man whip
22:18<jamesrkept>it workeds
22:18<jamesrkept>by de looketh of dtings
22:18<jamesrkept>how cna i check what driver x0rlgf0r.xocx0rg is using]
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22:19<witte>jamesrkept: have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
22:19<witte>but it is goodnight for me
22:19*witte waves
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22:19<jamesrkept>using besa
22:19<jamesrkept>fuck sake
22:19<jamesrkept>DONT LEAVE
22:19<jamesrkept>AHHHHH NO
22:19<jamesrkept>HE LEFT ME
22:19<jamesrkept>WHAT AM I GOING TO DO
22:19<jamesrkept>IMG OING TO KILL MYSELF
22:19<jamesrkept>SOMEOJNE OUT THERE
22:20<jamesrkept>PLEASE HELP ME OUT
22:20<jamesrkept>ILL DO ANYTHIJNG
22:20<jamesrkept>SUC U CIKC
22:20<cdlu>james, you're going to calm down or find people remarkably unhelpful.
22:20<Supaplex>!ops jamesrkept is flooding
22:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: jamesrkept is flooding
22:20<jamesrkept>oh gd nod
22:20<jamesrkept>he jsut up an dleft
22:20<jamesrkept>and he was helping
22:20<jamesrkept>and then left
22:20<jamesrkept>wat am i going to do
22:20<jamesrkept>oh shit no please
22:20<sco50000>jamesrkept: he was going to sleep, he was tired, he has no responsibility to help you
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22:21<jamesrkept>oh fuck me no
22:21<sco50000>and you just spamming the channel and making people think you are a loser
22:21<jamesrkept>but whatever am i going to do
22:21<jamesrkept>help me
22:21<jamesrkept>i am a losser
22:21<dpkg>Don't think. KNOW.
22:21<jamesrkept>oh GOD HELP ME
22:21<jamesrkept>PLEASE FUCKING HELP ME
22:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:21<jamesrkept>U FUKERS DONT CARE ABOUT US
22:21<jamesrkept>HELP ME
22:21<DaCapn>Supaplex is okay in my book
22:21<jamesrkept>ALL I AS IS FOR HELP
22:22<alaya>jamesrkept!*@* added to ignore list. .....
22:22<cdlu>james, calm the hell down. ask your question, you've flooded so damn much noone even knows what you want.
22:22<jamesrkept>fuck u all
22:22<jamesrkept>im going to kill myself
22:22<Supaplex>I lost all attention to what the issue was
22:22<jamesrkept>my death is on ur fucking hands
22:22<jamesrkept>good bye
22:22<jamesrkept>you all helped murder one persdon in ur lives
22:22<elky>jamesrkept, that never works, dont bother trying
22:22<jamesrkept>hope ur happy
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22:22<DaCapn>bout time
22:22*cdlu scratches his head
22:22<elky>cdlu, emo troll
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22:23<sco50000>what makes him think we have a responsibility to help him?
22:23<elky>sco50000, consumerism
22:23<cdlu>heh, ya
22:23<Supaplex>$0 entitles you to how much? yup. 0.00.
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22:25<elky>Supaplex, modern society is a consumerist one. it has fostered a general attitude of entitlement where everyone owes the consumer for anything the consumer wants and must obey every whim of said consumer to 'win' their attention
22:26<DaCapn>can anyone tell me how to get an explanation for why the debian installer seems to "freeze" at seemingly random points along the "select and install software" stage. Once it was on configuring hibernate, now on gnome-screensaver, and previously on something else all toether
22:26<elky>summerised as 'people these days are selfish and greedy sobs
22:26<Hectron>good nignt. Anyone knows how to install a printer driver in debian OS?
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22:27<amphi>typical acer ferrari buyer
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22:27<alaya>elky: that is kind of true. every now and then you seem someone freaking out at a poor clerk in a store because something didn't meet their expectations. instead of realizing how incredibly privileged they are they choose to whine and complain
22:28<alaya>Hectron: a printer driver? like a ppd file?
22:28<kapil>elky: you missed 'lazy'. consumers today want high quality without even making an effort to figure out what that means.
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22:28<Hectron>it is a pips-sc87-2.6.3.tar.gz file
22:28<elky>kapil, whoops :)
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22:29<alaya>Hectron: i only know about PPDs which are used with CUPS
22:29<Supaplex>!tell Hectron about cups
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22:29<alaya>elky: i see it at the electronics store all the time. people don't realize that they are getting all this really cheap gear from china and taiwan and still complain to the poor workers
22:30<elky>alaya, ignorance is bliss
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22:30<kapil>elky: a case in point is people who want a "secure" system --- "but i shouldn't have to *do* anything different!"
22:31<elky>kapil, well that one is true.. they shouldnt have to. security should be opt-out not opt-in.
22:31<mentor_>The store isn't selling 'cheap electronics from China' though
22:31<Hectron>I downoaded another file pips-sc87-cups-2.6.3-1.i386.rpm
22:31<kapil>alaya: don't know "made in china". here i am working on a thinkpad!
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22:32<elky>kapil, however, what irks me is when they opt-out and *then* complain
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22:32<kapil>alaya: ^s/know/knock/
22:32<alaya>Hectron: doesn't cups support the printer model already?
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22:32*Supaplex yanks the power from it - yup, it's secure now. ;)
22:32<alaya>kapil: me also! just yesterday i started giving serious thought to selling my 3 laptops and getting a powerbook
22:32<elky>like "oh, that little thing *points to firewall icon*? I turn it off when i download stuff because it complains all the time"
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22:33<alaya>elky: hehe
22:33<Hectron>All I know is first I tried Knoppix, but it is a live CD and I had to keep the CD in the computer even when I installed on hard disk
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22:34<alaya>Hectron: well try setting it up first with cups, using the info Supaplex gave you. you can also check the website to see what support there is for your model.
22:34<Hectron>later I tried like 10 different Linux distr (Ubuntu, Mandriva, Molinux, SuSE, ) until debian was correctly installed
22:35<Hectron>the option to add printer/class is disabeled
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22:35<Supaplex>did you login to the interface as root?
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22:36<Hectron>yes, but still it is disabeled
22:38<Hectron>What exactly is cups? Isnt it supposed to be installed with the OS?
22:39<kapil>Hectron: you can always check. "dpkg -l cupsys" will show you if it is installed.
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22:42<Hectron>Ok, I will check and if I have any doubt I will come back tomorrow.
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22:45<T00L>in a LAN witch hosted with a NAPT-router with static adresses without ports forwarding, that means the LAN is not reachable from the outside. is it possible to forward ports for just some adresses in this LAN, so that those could be reachable from the outside?
22:45<Hectron>The knoppix live CD HAS the driver for the printer in it. Is there a way to extract it from that ISO CD?
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22:47<kapil>Hectron: short answer is no. you should probably check which package installs the driver (dpkg -S is your friend) and check whether the same package exists in debian. some packages in knoppix are not in debian.
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22:48<plazyk>Hey all what's the room for spanish speaker?S
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22:49<kapil>!tell plazyk about es
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22:50<Ouroboros>i am making a vmware debian guest os... i just installed a new custom kernel which for some reason cannot find the vmware SCSI drive... this same kernel works correctly on my host machine with SCSI drives... any ideas what the problem might be?
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22:52<Supaplex>yay for tab completion. got update-grub in before reboot
22:52<Supaplex>while init 6 was shutting stuff down :P
22:53<karlNY>/leave #debian
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22:53<kapil>Supaplex: but it may have been safer to go for "shutdown -c"
22:54<plazyk>Hello all - I love linux
22:54<plazyk>Debian linux especially
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22:54<plazyk>Will anybody send me a computer through the mail so I can install Debian on it over and over and over and over?
22:54<plazyk>i will send it right back
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22:57<shivraj>plazyk : huh ?
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22:58<shivraj>plazyk : installing linux is that fun ?
22:58<plazyk>as long as i am wiping it and installing a fresh new debian
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22:59<shivraj>no dual boot ? gotta have some winblows... the bsod is so visually pleasing
22:59<shivraj>we should send you a pocket organizer, not even a pda and have you install linux on it
22:59<shivraj>for kicks
23:00<shivraj>or a wrist watch ..
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23:00<kapil>shivraj: what is the smallest device that you have seen debian run on?
23:01<shivraj>kapil : a laptop kapil ... heh
23:01<shivraj>kapil : it doest matter waht the device is as long as you have the drivers :)
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23:01<shivraj>the possibilities are endless, debian is best for desktop and server not those devices
23:03<kapil>shivraj: have look at
23:03<Supaplex>I've got debian running via pxe on an embeded device. it only has 64mb of ram :)
23:04<Supaplex>it's my print server+remote tape machine
23:04<shivraj>kapil : I used to subscribe to linux gazette way way back
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23:05<Supaplex>it's about 2" thick, 8" deep and 10" wide
23:05<shivraj>kapil : cool
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23:06<kapil>debian, the only O/S that runs on sub-$100 systems as well as $10^5 systems
23:06<shivraj>I removed all windows from my life, ... what a piece of garbage .. the Open Source community has totally surprised me .. Open Office, Gnome, totem, everything works just like Windows and better .... wow .. this is unreal
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23:08<shivraj>kapil : too bad the corporate world is not making use
23:08<shivraj>kapil : staples uses windows powered cash registers !!!
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23:10<plazyk>I am now putting my comptuer in a box you will receive it in 8 to 10 business days
23:10<plazyk>please install linux on it
23:10<Supaplex>shivraj: and they're hideously slow when you order 10+ items with 5+ coupons and all sorts of crap. :P takes 10s to add a new item at some point
23:10<plazyk>ps my computer is a wristwatch
23:10<plazyk>i'm closing the box now
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23:11<Ouroboros>Supaplex: thats not really a win problem, is it? you can write crap software for any OS
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23:13<shivraj>Ouroboros : lots of things suck abt Windows I dont care what you say, NTFS (Sucks) fewer bugs than they used to have but ...... they should redesign the whole thing from the ground up
23:13<shivraj>I dont care abt Windows, Linux is here to stay /!!~//
23:14<Ouroboros>shrug, i have no problem using either where necessary
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23:16<Supaplex>sorry, windows falls in the apathy category for me. EDUNCARE
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23:21<alaya>isn't ebay windows-based?
23:21<alaya>.dll in their url's...
23:21<alaya>it always seemed slow
23:21<Supaplex>just wait until yahoo runs on windows
23:22<alaya>in all the years, ebay has just never seemed like a responsive site. its always cludgy and slow.
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23:23<Supaplex>it's not the fastest site, but I tollerate it at times. (less so since they jacked up the final value fees)
23:23<shivraj>ebay? fast for me
23:23<shivraj>its aspx based
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23:23<alaya>the wiki group should supplant ebay
23:24<alaya>wikia auctions
23:24<alaya>with wiki money
23:25<shivraj>and they use windows servers iis
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23:26<alaya>craigslist got like $20 million from ebay to keep their sales section crappy to not supplant ebay
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23:30<Supaplex>hola and stuff
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