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---Logopened Thu Feb 07 00:00:05 2008
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00:19<DaCapn>anyone running debian on a machine with a core 2 duo?
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00:23<RIVE>I'm running Lenny in a Core 2 Duo.
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00:26<DaCapn>what kernel version and are you using the 32-bit or the 64-bit install?
00:28<dli_>RIVE, still "anyone" questions are not welcomed here :)
00:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
00:29<RIVE>Ok, thanks dli
00:30<DaCapn>what kernel version RIVE?
00:30<RIVE>Let me see.
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00:46<RIVE>HI, bhola.
00:47<bhola>how to remove an user from an exsiting group without deleting the group?
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00:48<alaya>bhola: multiple ways. vigr is my favorite
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00:49<alaya>bhola: or usermod
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00:51<dli_>bhola, or, gpasswd -d bhola bholagroup
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00:51<RIVE>Still night in here, well joust 8 minutes to midnight.
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00:54<alaya>happy Year of the Rat...
00:55<RIVE>I'm a pig, so don't have to celebrate :-)
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00:56<RIVE>How can i know for sure if a repository is up to date?
00:56<bhola>alaya:using usermod how?what would be the option?
00:57<alaya>bhola: check the man page
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01:03<twb>My normal locale is en_AU.utf8. I wish to use the en_GB-oed locale for spell checking; how can I do so?
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01:06<RIVE>There are now 19958 new [+19507], esto me dio al cambiar el repositorio de esta desktop y hacer un update.
01:06<RIVE>Sorry, window error.
01:07<JustSoul>Where I can find root("/") folders descriptions, especially "/data" ?
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01:08<twb>!tell JustSoul about FHS
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01:09<JustSoul>hm.. there is no /data :(((
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01:10<twb>If a package created such a directory, it is violating poliy and should be reported.
01:11<JustSoul>No it's not a package.
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01:29<JustSoul>Where kde-menu file config placed?
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01:51<Slydder>morning all
01:52<JustSoul>Slydder: morning
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02:40<string>anyone have an idea why Desktop>Administration>Login Window won't run?
02:40<string>get the following error when I run "gdmsetup" in the root terminal:
02:41<string>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
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02:41<string>Xlib: No protocol specified
02:41<string>(gdmsetup:5648): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
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02:41<string>GhostlyDeath what can I do about it?
02:42<GhostlyDeath>I don't know, I was just making an emoticon
02:43<Torsten_W>string: apt-get install sux and use sux instead of su
02:43<string>thanks Torsten_W I'll give it a whirl ;)
02:43<string>or should I say a swirl
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02:44<string>you want me to type "sux gdmsetup"?
02:44<Torsten_W>string: no
02:45<Torsten_W>string: sux [enter]
02:45<Torsten_W>string: then the app, you want
02:45<string>giving me a "Failed to connect to socket" error when I do that
02:45<string>"Could not access GDM configuration file"
02:46<Torsten_W>string: then try gksu gdmsetup
02:46<string>should I copy gdm.conf from /etc/share/ to /usr/share?
02:46<string>same error Torsten_W
02:47<Torsten_W>string: that's an issue of gdmsetup, not sux or gksu
02:47<string>right, so should I purge gdmsetup and reinstall?
02:47<Torsten_W>i don't use gdm or gdmsetup
02:48<bastiaan>since the last upgrade of lenny/sid my screen only wants to operate at 55Hz refresh frequency
02:49<Torsten_W>bastiaan: are u sure?
02:49<bastiaan>someone any idea?
02:49<bastiaan>xorg.conf hasn't changed
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02:49<Torsten_W>bastiaan: what does the osd of the monitor show?
02:49<bastiaan>and refresh rates etc are right
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02:49<Torsten_W>bastiaan: u have an nvidia-card and use the binary blob?
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02:50<string>I'm gonna try a --purge remove gdm and reinstall, see if that does it
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02:50<bastiaan>Torsten_W: no
02:51<bastiaan> VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
02:51<bastiaan> BoardName "3D Rage LT Pro"
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02:51<Torsten_W>bastiaan: then i don't know
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02:53<bastiaan>or someone else ... ;)
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02:55<JustSoul>How to change Kmenu from console?
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02:59<jim>hi installing etch, unfortunately a foot kicked power, got interrupted during install (specifically a packaage install), fixed that, got it to mount the prev partitions, boot on grub, etc. I used chroot to get into the new system
03:00<jim>so now, I'm trying to get an isa nic working on it
03:01<jim>it won't see it (but it does see the eepro100, and it puts eth0 on that
03:01<bastiaan>hm I put in my Screen section
03:01<bastiaan>Modes "1152x864"
03:01<bastiaan>but it doesn't use that mode when starting up, seams to be wrong...
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03:04<jim>I think I have a 3c509 but can't see it
03:04<bastiaan>(II) ATI(0): Not using mode "1152x864" (no mode of this name)
03:04<jim>there used to be isapnptools, where are they?
03:05<bastiaan>why is this...
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03:08<oompa-loompa>hi, Im having issues with my lvm's my /usr got full any way I can resize it?
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03:11<jim>copy partition content to some other drive, delete partition (low level of risk even here)
03:11<jim>make new partition the size you want it, reboot, format, restore, mount
03:12<oompa-loompa>isnt there a way to grow an LVM?
03:12<oompa-loompa>LV sorry
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03:13<jim>there are ways, they are riskier than that basic and fairly safe way I outlined
03:13<gsimmons>oompa-loompa: If you have free extents available in your volume group, use lvresize to increase the size of your LV, then resize the associated filesystem.
03:14<jim>the fact is anything that alters the partition table has its risks... so back it up :)
03:14<Nemoder>can gparted resize active partitions?
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03:15<jim>define what you mean by active3
03:16<Nemoder>er with data on them without losing the data
03:16<jim>probably there's a resizer that can do it
03:17<jim>but as mentioned, you have two things to resize: one, the partition itself and two, the filesystem in it
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03:17<bastiaan> works well
03:17<jim>and the order you do it in -varies- depending on which thing you are doing
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03:17<bastiaan>someone knows a place where I can download an older version of Xorg than 7.3 for lenny/sid ?
03:18<bastiaan>ii xorg 1:7.3+10 X.Org X Window System
03:18<bastiaan>doesn't see the modelines for my monitor anymore
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03:19<Nemoder>I'm tempted to try it, I have a 32bit install right now but I've since upgraded to a 64bit cpu and I don't really want to wipe it all if I have issues with it
03:19<jim>perhaps the packages for whatever version you want are somewhere... but lenny being testing, it changes, so packages get -replaced-... and for sid, this happens typically much more often
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03:19<jim>once per day generally
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03:19<jim>re better off with the direct approach: get the source and build it
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03:20<bastiaan>where should I able to find the source deb of an older one ...
03:20<jim>well, better off in some ways... you don't waste time searching for something which is likely gone
03:21<bastiaan>probably xorg from stable...
03:21<bastiaan>is something to try
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03:22<jim>not so well off in others... if you build it yourself, you're maintaining it yourself, no one from debian will (or typically can) help because they have no idea where you decided to have it put its files, what options you built with, etc etc
03:23<jim>the idea with stable is a good one if you can use that particular version
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03:24<jim>maybe if you let people know what you're trying to get out of this older version can suggest various ways to get you waht you want
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03:25<bastiaan>I want a mode line of 1152x864 which disapeared in 7.3
03:25<jim>oh I see... why not find a mode line calculator and make it
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03:26<jim>you can also make your own modes of just about any dimension
03:27<jim>starting with your monitor's specs
03:28<jim>plus monitors generally have their modes built in and can communicate those modes thru the edid, which goes thru the monitor cable
03:28<Nemoder>bastiaan: what video card and driver are you using?
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03:32<jim>I'm not quite sure how a mode line is captured by a specific version of an x server; that just doesn't make sense to me
03:32<Nemoder>some of the video drivers have limits on resolution and such
03:33<jim>oic, so you're suggesting that a mode line that might have been a default setting or come from a monitor might be rejected because of constraints, either from the driver, from the card or from the monitor
03:33<jim>(ok, so I generalized your comment a bit :)
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03:34<Nemoder>or maybe the driver was updated and they found a bug at high resolution and disabled.. who knows :)
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03:34<jim>hence driver constraint knocked out a mode
03:35<Nemoder>I just know if I use the nv driver I get headaches :P
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03:35<jim>oh, take two nv drivers and call me in the morning!
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03:38<jim>hmm, we seem to have a dns hack on hand :)
03:41<jim>so I have what probably is a 3c509 in an isa slot (etherlink 3) and I want to make it work, but the driver doesn't seem to wanna
03:41<Nemoder>I think I used to have one of those
03:42<jim>ancient card
03:42<Nemoder>it was in the first machine I put debian on in the 90s
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03:43<Nemoder>and unlike redhat it happened to 'just work' in debian
03:44<Nemoder>although I imagine things have changed a bit since potato
03:44<jim>isapnptools were in potato, woulda been no problem if so
03:44<kmap>Hi! Is it possible to use something like LVM to merge disks present on physically different computers on a network?
03:45<jim>but if you do that, you're going to have a fairly fragile setup
03:45<jim>physically different drives?
03:45<kmap>jim: I mean, there are two networked machines, each with it's own disk
03:45<jim>ok, so the answer is maybe :)
03:46<kmap>How can make them appear as one disk?
03:46<kmap>OK, so how is the maybe done? :-)
03:46<jim>well I guess you can use one of the network block devices
03:46<lupine_85>kmap: I wouldn't suggest that you lvm them, although I guess you could
03:46<lupine_85>take a look at FUSE, maybe
03:47<kmap>Fuse would enable me to mount as a directory.
03:47<kmap>I was wondering if I could make them appear as "one", like LVM
03:47<lupine_85>fuse allows you to do all sorts of funky stuff
03:47*Nemoder loves smbnetfs
03:47<jim>putting lvm onto an array of anything other than real, meaning -hardware- raid, is fragile
03:48<kmap>I see.
03:48<jim>I'm only using lvm for flexible vols on one drive
03:49<jim>you could experiment tho... once you start doing real work, I'd hope you'd have a fully tested backup strategy and plan in place
03:49<lupine_85>I'm using lvm on two SATA drives. it's not incredibly safe, but then, it's not unacceptably dangerous either
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03:49<jim>agreed, it's not unacceptable, but it does have its risks
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03:50<lupine_85>over a network is just insanely crazy though, IMO
03:50<kmap>I see. Because it may be unreliable, I guess?
03:50<jim>if you know the risks and still wanna go for it... by all means, more power to ya, hope it works out...
03:50<kmap>THe network is local, BTW
03:50<lupine_85>perhaps barely acceptable if both client machines are LAN and on a UPS
03:50<lupine_85>kmap: not "may" - "will"
03:50<kmap>lupine_85: All is on LAN. A few meters distance. :-)
03:51<jim>meters are funky
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03:51<Nemoder>and if sunspots cause a machine to reboot then what happens?
03:51<kmap>Yes, UPS is there.
03:51<jim>on both machines, each having their own ups?
03:52<kmap>99.99% reliability.
03:52<jim>why do you want this again?
03:52<kmap>No, the whole lab has UPS.
03:52<jim>one ups for all machines?
03:52<jim>or one per machine?
03:52<kmap>jim: So that I can create a dump space common to all machines, and share the space
03:52<Nemoder>all it takes is one lab monkey to unplug the wrong cable :P
03:52<kmap>UPS for all machines, and a big one
03:52<jim>there are better ways
03:52<lupine_85>still plenty of scope for accidents
03:53<kmap>Oh, I see. :-(
03:53<jim>you definitely don't have to take all that risk
03:53<jim>have one machine with the storage on it, and export it with samba or nfs or something
03:53<lupine_85>I'd say if it's a lab, integrity of data is more important than a quick 'n easy solution
03:54<jim>I'd suggest that as a simple, fairly reliable way, which is suitable for all but approx one purpose: you're trying to develop this as a new way to accomplish something like this
03:55<lupine_85>:D simple hardware rearrangement does sound like a good idea in this situation
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03:55<lupine_85>you can always get the donor machine to boot from network if you need to
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03:56<jim>and you're going to write it up as an experiment, you're not going to do real work on it until and unless it passes certain defined tests (or else you just back up and restore a lot)
03:56<jim>there are lots of ways to mitigate the risks
03:57<jim>but my thing, is you need to be aware of the risks, and you should decide with good information whether you want to take those risks
03:58<jim>there is no risk when data is backed up and you -know- you can restore it
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03:58<jim>there is no risk when data is never used for any real purpose
04:00<Nemoder>and then there is murphy's law: the backup will only fail when you actually need to use it :s
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04:01<jim>you can mitigate murphy's law too (to some degree... beware) by making sure your backup method and restore method are tested
04:02<jim>backups have no use when they can't be restored to a completely new computer with nothing on it
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04:03<kmap>Well, thanks for the tips!
04:03<kmap>I'll get back to you guys when I think of something better. :-)
04:03<jim>or start with something simple!
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04:04<jim>if this is for a production env, you need production-level tools
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04:04<kmap>Nah, a lab where students want to have fun! :-)
04:05<jim>then let them do what they want, and you make sure you can restore the machines :)
04:05<jim>then everyone is as free as they want to be
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04:06<jim>and if this joining of drives is a student project, let them do that too
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04:06<jim>tell them some old fart on irc said there are some risks involved :)
04:07<jim>they should come up with their own list of those risks and also write out how they would mitigate each
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04:20<jim>oh, also, my new debian install (which got interrupted but I continued anyway) says there's a fake start-stop-daemon command
04:20<jim>how do I get the real one in place?
04:20<jim>!find start-stop-daemon
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04:22<dpkg>Debian Search of 'start-stop-daemon' (3): (/sbin/start-stop-daemon) in admin/dpkg ;; (/sbin/fai-start-stop-daemon) in admin/fai-server ;; (/usr/share/ltsp/scripts/start-stop-daemon) in misc/ltsp-server.
04:22<jim>dpkg? ok
04:22<Nemoder>yeah it's part of the dpkg package
04:25<jim>let me reboot this thing to see if it does anything different
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04:30<markin>anybody here?
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04:31<markin>hmm... great
04:31<Gekz>ça va?
04:31<jim>it works :) no more fake start-stop-daemon messages
04:31<jim>starts the net on boot
04:32<dudu>oui markin et toi ?
04:32<jim>now, I just need to get that isa networking card
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04:32<markin>i dont speak frances
04:32<jim>dudu: there's a french #debian
04:32<Gekz>dudu: lol xD
04:32<jim>french speaking that is
04:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
04:32<Gekz>dudu: you speak anglais right :P
04:33<jim>if you can use that
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04:33<dudu>okok sorry ^^
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04:33<jim>stay if you want to
04:34<jim>in fact be here and there at the same time if you want
04:34<jim>(no one is kicking you out)
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04:35<Gekz>I am!
04:35<Gekz>pick me
04:35<dudu>In fact I try to formulate my problem with a dhcp-relay
04:35<dudu>do you know that ?
04:36<jim>pick, pick, is a sick kicked brick... it's fickle tricks, spackle tracks
04:36<jim>I haven't used a dhcp relay
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04:38<jim>right now I just need my second eth card to work... and I'm golden!
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04:40<tyco>who use linux/ubuntu?
04:40<dudu>I've got a problem with dhcp-relay configuration on debian 4.0, in fact I have a dhcp server on a machine which manage my network (ip masquerade etc..), this computer il linked with another machine which run as arp-proxy on debian 4.0, this machine is linked to a switch to connect on my LAN, On my LAN I want to receive dhcp address from server, but I don't work, so I've tried to add a dhcp-relay on my arp-proxy, with that solution, DHCP query gone well to my DHC
04:40<tyco>i need help
04:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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04:40<jim>tyco: #ubuntu
04:40<dudu>do you have any idea about that ?
04:41<jim>increasingly ubuntu goes more and more different from debian
04:41<tyco>no response
04:41<jim>harder and harder to make sense of the two together
04:41<tyco>what is debian?
04:42<GhostlyDeath>Why is mspaint asking me if I want to save my changes?
04:42<jim>because mrpencil told her to!
04:42<jim>seriously... because you've altered a document
04:43<GhostlyDeath>what's a document?
04:43<jim>anything you can put any kind of info into (like images)
04:44<tyco>my internal card reader didnt work
04:44<tyco>can anyone help me?
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04:46<jim>it's a hykoo!
04:47<noflash> /ignore -replies jim
04:47<cahoot>tyco: the harsh fact is: if you don't use debian you can't expect any support in this channel, try ##linux or such
04:47<GhostlyDeath>or switch to Debian so we can help you
04:47<jim>it;s little wonder you have noflash!
04:48<cahoot>tyco: or simply google
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04:49<tyco>what is the best version of linux
04:49<GhostlyDeath>no hay
04:49<jim>straw... cheaper... grass... free... buy a farm and get all three!
04:49<tyco>what is the best version of linux?
04:49<jim>any one you're not runnin!
04:49<jim>(aka: the grass is always greener on the other side...)
04:49<cahoot>tyco: for people in #debian the answer is probably debian
04:49<GhostlyDeath>Best Version of Linux = Windows NT 7.0
04:50<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
04:50<tyco>windows nt 7.0 is not linux
04:50<sep>tyco, it's impossible to answer, since what is best for you depends on your needs. and your needs are not the same as my needs
04:50<jim>tyco: probably a :
04:50<tyco>best for game and work?
04:51<jim>tyco: probably a "good enough" version of linux is one that supports you in whatever you want to do
04:52<jim>and that might not be debian, might not be ubuntu
04:52<jim>or it might
04:52<cahoot>tyco: I doubt any linux is 'best' for gaming
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04:52<jim>there is that
04:52<SpeedyG>oh, and by the way tyco, asking which linux is best for you in a distro-specific channel, would probably get you only one answer, debian of course! :D
04:52<GhostlyDeath>I wonder if I can get Doom 3 working in Linux
04:52<GhostlyDeath>Debian IS #1! Nothing beats it
04:52<jim>SpeedyG: hmm, not by me :)
04:53<sep>tyco, basicaly you'r asking a ford salesmen what car is the best :)
04:53<streuner>GhostlyDeath: tell news
04:53<jim>GhostlyDeath: yes you can
04:53<SpeedyG>jim, in debian, debian is best! :P
04:53<jim>is not :P
04:53<tyco>debian is the best?
04:53<jim>well not all the time
04:53<sep>tyco, ofcourse debian is the best !
04:53<GhostlyDeath>jim: Heresy!
04:53<jim>it depends what you want
04:53<GhostlyDeath>burn him! BURN HIM!
04:53<sep>tyco, what a silly question to ask in a debian channel :)
04:54<sep>tyco, if you ask the same question in a ubuntu channel. they will say that ubuntu is the best
04:54<streuner>sep: it shouldnt be better if he ask other ;-)
04:54<tyco>no one on ubuntu
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04:54<SpeedyG>jim: asking in #debian what the best distro is, is like asing in #linux, #windows, or #unix what the best distro is.
04:54<SpeedyG>best OS is
04:54<jim>one ancilary thing to understand is that a distro (debian, redhat, fodery, ubuntu, whatever) does NOT support devices... the KERNEL does
04:54<sep>tyco, ubuntu have a channel on a different irc server network
04:54<tyco>i new on linux version
04:55<sep>tyco, /server and there join #ubuntu
04:55<jim>you can't expect all your devices to work just like that
04:55<GhostlyDeath>jim: is whatever a good distro?
04:55<jim>on any dist
04:55<sep>or just install debian since it's much better then ubuntu :)
04:55<jim>whatever! forever!
04:55<GhostlyDeath>sep speaks the truth!
04:55<jim>maybe he likes it
04:55<tyco>i think i wil try using debian
04:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
04:56<dpkg>4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot. Lenny is now Testing!
04:56<jim>maybe he likes ubuntu
04:56<streuner>!start a distro war
04:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
04:56<GhostlyDeath>!start windows
04:56<sep>tyco, there are the links
04:56<tyco>but what is the different using ubuntu and debian
04:56<GhostlyDeath>Debian has all free software
04:56<jim>Ubuntu is the name of a yoga studio and restaurant near napa, calif
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04:57<GhostlyDeath>I had a dream last night and it was about Debian
04:57<SpeedyG>tyco: there's lost of differences, ubuntu is just a debian-based distro, so there's also a lot of things both distros have in common
04:57<sep>tyco hard to tell since we dont use ubuntu :)
04:57<tyco>i been told that this two os that this two is free
04:57<jim>I had a dream night before last about meeting lotsa cutiepies
04:58<noflash>!tell tyco -about why debian
04:58<sep>tyco, debian have a more sane release policy :)
04:58<jim>and tonite I did that :)
04:58<GhostlyDeath>and Debian has GNOME!
04:58<GhostlyDeath>with GTK!
04:58<jim>very well tested, very stable
04:58<SpeedyG>GhostlyDeath: so does ubuntu ..
04:59<jim>I want the gnome without gtk!
04:59<sep>i want gnome with qt !
04:59<GhostlyDeath>GNOME w/ Win32 API
04:59<jim>gtk gives me the willies!
04:59<GhostlyDeath>could it be done?
04:59<sep>GhostlyDeath, yes with qt you cuold :)
05:00<GhostlyDeath>has anyone made a Win32 API to GTK library?
05:00<jim>the only gnome without gtk is the lawn gnome on those insurance commercials
05:00<GhostlyDeath>or the priceline ones
05:01<jim>oh, and there, the gnomes are bill shatner and lenny nimoy
05:01<jim>no gtk there
05:01<padski>GhostlyDeath, gtk is ported to win32
05:02<GhostlyDeath>how about win32 ported to GTK?
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05:02<GhostlyDeath>so those unportable apps can be used natively
05:02<GhostlyDeath>no WINE junk
05:02<jim>unprintable scrapps?
05:03<jim>ok well I guess it's possible...
05:03<padski>wine is superb. it is better than the MS effort.
05:03<jim>that goes without saying...
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05:03<jim>since anything's better than any MS effort...
05:03<GhostlyDeath>When I try to play starcraft it crashes X
05:04<padski>GhostlyDeath, :-(
05:04<padski>GhostlyDeath, I fancy that counts as a bug in X
05:04<jim>now I remember a main reason why I wanted to get the nvidia driver going (which I did yesterday)
05:04<JustSoul>GhostlyDeath: I played normal..
05:04<jim>cause I wanna play q4 and doom3
05:04<GhostlyDeath>someone needs to make a fake nvidia wrapper
05:05<jim>and they're downloadable, and you get stuff off the cds to add it
05:05<GhostlyDeath>so you can play nvidia dependent games without nvidia cards
05:05<GhostlyDeath>I do have nvidia though
05:05<jim>it's really dependent on the 3d capability
05:05<jim>this keyboard sux, keys too stiff
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05:06<suiside>GhostlyDeath: err, since when has apps required a specific brand of hardware
05:06<GhostlyDeath>suiside: since the 1980s
05:06<jim>oh, you want to play -old- games :)
05:07<Nemoder>I don't think starcraft is very picky about video cards..
05:07<suiside>GhostlyDeath: name one
05:07<jim>there's probably a *craft alike
05:08<jim>might even be funner than the orig
05:08<padski>suiside, rayman
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05:08<Nemoder>I found wine to be more stable than stratagus :/
05:09<@Ganneff>hm. i think you want to go to #debian-offtopic
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05:09<jim>is there any on-topic traffic right now?
05:10<jim>I'm happy to yield to it if it's there
05:10<@Ganneff>jim: no, and thats the problem. (and no reason to continue with offtopic)
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05:11<jim>the latest closest to on-topic was a ubuntu guy that could't get his card reader to work
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05:11<GhostlyDeath>Stopping Off-Topic text kills chat
05:11<jim>and I suggested several things to him
05:11<@Ganneff>this is not a chat channel, only a support channel...
05:11<@Ganneff>jim: yes, thanks for that.
05:12<@Ganneff>jim: im not saying you are bad, just getting offtopic discussion elsewhere... now, to continue this, if you want: #debian-offtopic
05:12<jim>when I'm bad, I'm better!
05:12<GhostlyDeath>I can't join anymore channels on freenode
05:13<@Ganneff>we arent on freenode.
05:13<jim>but anyway, since the ubuntu guy was new to linux, I tried to get him to understand that kernels support devices (not distros)
05:13<GhostlyDeath>#debian-offtopic is in FreeNode
05:13<GhostlyDeath>"honestly the real #debian-offtopic is on freenode anyways(at least for now)"
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05:13<jim>ghostlydeath: why, you're on about 75 channels already? :)
05:14<GhostlyDeath>OFTC limits to 70
05:14<GhostlyDeath>FreeNode is 20
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05:14<@Ganneff>GhostlyDeath: no
05:14<@Ganneff>i just toggled it, join here if you want
05:14<@Ganneff>and now stop here. thanks.
05:14<Lynoure>and sanity to maybe <40 :)
05:15<jim>it's hard to follow 40 channels...
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05:16<jim>well I'm still having problems with my isa net card...
05:16<jim>in etch, what happened to isapnptools?
05:16<jim>Ganneff: hewp me :P
05:16<Slydder>can anyone here explain to me how the "vserver templates" work in openvcp? is down and I cannot seem to find any info on it elsewhere.
05:17<GhostlyDeath>Slydder: have you checked local documentation?
05:17<jim>in xen they have these scripts that set variables for the things a vserver would have (like its partitions)
05:17<jim>maybe that's like a openvcp template
05:18<Slydder>lol. openvcp + docs is a good one. lol
05:18<jim>no docs?
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05:18<Slydder>I'll paste the install instructions so you can see what I mean.
05:18<gsimmons>jim: 'isapnptools' was removed at the request of its maintainer (bug #318359).
05:18<jim>oh ok...
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05:19<jim>thanks for the info :) but... what do I do!?
05:19<Nemoder>I know some of my old isa stuff wouldn't always work properly without a cold reset
05:19<Slydder> copy all files to the server
05:19<Slydder> - modify core/openvcp.conf
05:19<Slydder>insert core/mysql.sql into db
05:19<Slydder> - chmod 777 of core/cache
05:19-!-Slydder was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [eUSEPASTE]
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05:20<GhostlyDeath>!tell Slydder about paste
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05:20<streuner>no, he is long enough here to know about paste
05:20<streuner>!tell Slydder about paste
05:20<jim>damn damn, getting rid of isapnptools was harsh too
05:20<Slydder>that was all there is to it
05:20<Wesley>Anyone any experience with getting hotmail not to see mail from our mailserver as SPAM ?
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05:20<jim>spam spam spam spam
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05:21<JustSoul>jim: mb take old distr, like sarge?
05:21<Slydder>i know about paste but for 4 lines of install instruction i ain't going to pastebin. it's faster to rejoin.
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05:21<jim>*shrug* ok by me... but I don't have any actual say :)
05:21<streuner>dont be lazy
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05:23<dli_>Slydder, it's rude to other users
05:23<jim>ok, well, what replaces the isapnp thing?
05:23<Slydder>thing is it seems like a nice little cp (maybe not as flesshed out as openqms) but docs are pretty scarce. am having to learn it all the hard way. lol
05:23<Myon>jim: try to be less noisy, kthx
05:23<@Ganneff>jim: recent hardware.
05:23<Slydder>lol. flesshed
05:23<Myon>ISA has been dead for like 10 years
05:24<jim>whatever... that's what I have, and it's usable
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05:24<jim>dead or alive, I want to try it... this is on-topic, I'm in debian, I'm using debian, I'm asking a debian question.
05:24<streuner>jim: calm down
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05:25<jim>I'm being the most on topic here :P
05:25<jim>metadiscussions probably aren't :)
05:25<Myon>yes, and now please back to the topic, not the meta discussion
05:26<Nemoder>so are you getting errors loading the driver or what?
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05:26<gsimmons>jim: You might be interested in 3c5x9setup ('nictools-nopci' package).
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05:26<jim>well no, not from modprobe but when I load the driver, it's there in lsmod list, but no ifconfig eth1
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05:27<jim>hmm, that's actually a good poit
05:27<Slydder>jim: I believe I am the most on topic here. lol. 4 vserver hosts all running debian etch and 32 guests stretched across them all running either etch or dapper. and then there is the rest of the farm. ;) but yeah. you are on topic.
05:28<jim>I try my best... 10% of the time whether I need to or not!
05:29<jim>Myon: here's a small suggestion... you could try contributing some actual help...
05:29<Myon>jim: last warning
05:29<streuner>jim: you can discuss OT things in channel, but if only somebody is against that, you have a problem. If this somebody is an op you have a bigger problem. And if you want discuss this further you have a real problem then :-)
05:30<jim>I do not care, I contribute here (unlike you right now); if you decide to kick, I won't be back for awhile and then someone will have to take up my slack.
05:30<@Ganneff>or you join #debian-offtopic and be done with it. kids.
05:31<jim>I don't have any problems
05:31<jim>whether I'm here or not
05:31<Myon>EOD now. Period.
05:31<JustSoul>Myon: what i s"EOD"?
05:31<Slydder>end of discussino
05:31-!-mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
05:32<Slydder>discussion even
05:32<jim>like I said, it's your choice.
05:33-!-mode/#debian [+q jim!*@*] by Myon
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05:34<Nemoder>sure are some grumpy ops on tonight
05:34<Slydder>nemoder: better than the qmail lists any day.
05:34<streuner>he got a warning and ignored that, what do you think you can do as OP then?
05:34-!-mode/#debian [+q Nemoder!*@*] by Myon
05:34<@Myon>streuner: eod
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05:37-!-mode/#debian [-q Nemoder!*@*] by Myon
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05:38<streuner>Myon: thats rude
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05:39<Slydder>are there any package maintainers here? if so was just wondering how long the reg process takes.
05:40<@Ganneff>Slydder: as DD? depends
05:40<@Ganneff>Slydder: or do you mean NEW?
05:40<Slydder>well. 1 would be new
05:40<@Ganneff>ie, want to get DD or just a package in.
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05:40<@Ganneff>NEW depends. usually fast. a week or two is reasonable to expect.
05:41<Slydder>the other just needs an update (has needed it for a while) and it would seem the current maintainer has stalled.
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05:42<dli>gnash-cvs + lenny leads random system hangs
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05:45<mix>un informazione sapete se esiste una versione del tom tom .deb?
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05:46<dli>!tell mix about il
05:46<Slydder>mix: wrong room man
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05:46<meandtheshel1>hi folks - I use Gmail. However, the problem is Gmail's spam filter detects marks a lot of mail as false positive which is very unpleasant. Is there a way to disable Gmail's spam filter altogether?
05:46<dli>my bad, italie is it
05:47<niru>in shell scripting how can I extract a file froma folder and run a command on that file
05:48<Nemoder>from an archive you mean?
05:48<niru>Nemoder, in a folder I have some files
05:48<niru>I want to take each file and use a command on each file
05:49<petemc>find /path/to/dir -type f | while read; do foo "$REPLY" ; done
05:49<petemc>or a for loop
05:50<GhostlyDeath>meandtheshel1: go to Gmail's settings
05:50*meandtheshel1 is there
05:50<GhostlyDeath>go to the spam box check some things and htit Not Spam
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05:52<meandtheshel1>yeah well, sure but then I have to do that over and over again - I read my gmail accounts with Gnus resp. Thunderbird so I want to get rid of Gmails (via webinterface) email reading/marking etc.
05:52<meandtheshel1>i.e. I want to disable the spam filtering altogether
05:52<JustSoul>Myon: is it on-topic? =)
05:54<flinx>I have problem with sound in debian: after PC boots i ran mplayes. Debug message say: /dev/dsp busy. After few minues i ran mplayer again and this time sound working ok. But when i trying to run amarok i save same error in amarok. So amarok and mplayer can't playback sound together.
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05:55<dli>flinx, can you try mplayer -ao alsa ?
05:56<flinx>dli: And see for debug messages?
05:56<dli>flinx, or use a sound daemon, or stop it if one is running
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05:56<dli>flinx, I use ao = alsa in my ~/.mplayer/config
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05:57<flinx>and in amarok should i use alsa?
05:57<GhostlyDeath>hmm, In Synaptic,s Settings > Repositories has no effect
05:57<dli>flinx, yes, no point to use OSS instead of alsa
05:58<GhostlyDeath>it doesn't pop up any box
05:58<flinx>dli: This way few applicatins can use /dev/dsp together?
05:58<GhostlyDeath>amd64 (testing) synaptic = 0.61+B1
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06:00<dli>flinx, don't bother with oss :(
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06:00<GhostlyDeath>OSS is really old
06:00<GhostlyDeath>Old Sound System
06:01<flinx>dli: :) Got it! Thanks!
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06:01<GhostlyDeath>dli: if you got an persistent OSS apps, install alsa-oss and then use aoss <command>
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06:02<flinx>GhostlyDeath: Old Sound System songs fine! lol
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06:03<buffoon_work>Hi, i Just added 1GB of RAM to my machine (1GB -> 2GB). The BIOS seems to accept everything. However, cat /proc/meminfo shows me just the following: MemTotal: 906572 kB
06:04<flinx>dli: Hmm, very strange. In SMPlayer (MPlayer GUI) is no alsa in settings. Only oss, esd, mpegpes, null, pcm. So what should i use?
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06:04<buffoon_work>any suggestions why I can only access 1GB?
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06:05<flinx>dli: I compiled it yday, probably i should set alsa support in configure string before compilation...
06:05<GhostlyDeath>buffoon_work: is it in all the way?
06:05<Nemoder>buffoon_work: does the bios actually list the full 2GB?
06:06<Nemoder>on the post startup screen/config that is
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06:06<buffoon_work>GhostlyDeath, yes, it is... BIOS lists the full 2GB... i had to press F1 to confirm that during the BIOS POST (HP Systems always do it like that)
06:07<Nemoder>what kernel are you using?
06:07<buffoon_work>I'm on lenny btw
06:07<gsimmons>buffoon_work: That kernel isn't HIGHMEM enabled.
06:08<buffoon_work>Don't I need higmem kernels only for more than 3.4 (or something like that) GB?
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06:08<GhostlyDeath>buffoon_work: what is your processor?
06:09<buffoon_work>it is a Pentium 4HT
06:09<dli>flinx, yes, I have alsa and esd both
06:09<buffoon_work>The system is a HP DC5700 fairly unchanged except of the RAM
06:10<bastiaan>I installed the etch xserver packages, now it works again
06:10<dli>buffoon_work, try -686 kernel
06:10<bastiaan>with Modeline "1152x864" 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsyncb
06:10<bastiaan>which won't work with new drivers
06:10<niru>how can I rename a file with extension .po to just the finame name
06:10<niru>in shell script
06:10<buffoon_work>dli, ok...
06:10<niru>petemc, ?
06:10<dli>niru, you can use the command rename
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06:11<niru>dli, rename x.po to x will work
06:11<dli>niru, for single file, just "mv"
06:11<petemc>rename 's/.po//' *.po
06:11<niru>dli, for bunch of .po files
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06:12<dli>niru, also, some GUI file managers have the feature
06:12<GhostlyDeath>buffoon_work: yeah go 686
06:12<petemc>not great for a shell script, tho
06:12<Nemoder>bastiaan: sounds like a bug with the ati driver, that is a pretty old video card though
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06:14<bastiaan>Nemoder: this one I bought 3 years ago
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06:14<Nemoder>bastiaan: what does lspci show the card name as?
06:15<bastiaan>Nemoder: 00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro (rev dc)
06:15<Nemoder>ATI doesn't even offer windows drivers for that card anymore
06:16<dli>3D rage is supported by the open source radeon driver, like my mach64
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06:18<dli>for linux users, too old ati or too new both are headache. just "don't buy from ati, enemy of your freedom" -- RMS
06:18<buffoon_work>with the 686 kernel i have the full support for the RAM... thanks
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06:38<GhostlyDeath>buffoon_work: curious, why was 486 installed?
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06:47<buffoon_work>GhostlyDeath, i don't know. But can not remember installing a different kernel so i guess it was d-i which installed the 486 kernel
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06:54<GhostlyDeath>running 2 CD-ROM drives at once is noisy
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07:34<dpkg>rumour has it, xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world"
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07:35<andresvia>I have done what dpkg says, the gdm xdmcp chooser shows the server in the list but when I access it no login screen is shown, I don't know what to do.
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07:36<andresvia>and... xdm is my default-display-manager.
07:36<LeaChim>If a package is listed on and isn't in the main archives yet - is there any way to download a copy of the package? i can't find any links on the site.
07:37<@Ganneff>you can ask its maintainer, but thats it.
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07:40<LeaChim>ok, thanks Ganneff
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07:55<andresvia>I also configure gdm with the gdmsetup, and checked the configuration file. But there is the same problem (Just a black screen with the pointer) the network is set-up ok, I can log with ssh. But look at the last lines of
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07:59<JustSoul>What are remote control packages like vnc?
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08:01<petemc>JustSoul: you mean other packages with similar functions? or what is vnc
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08:02<JustSoul>petemc: other packages
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08:02<petemc>nx is one
08:04<JustSoul>petemc: it's possible use it for remote control? (task is to help user to do smth)
08:04<JustSoul>*is it
08:05<petemc>in that case you would want something that exports the current, running desktop
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08:05<petemc>gnome has vino, kde has krfb
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08:16<JustSoul>petemc: krfb is using only when user logged on?
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08:19<petemc>JustSoul: that would be the first part of "running" a desktop, so yes
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08:20<rkos>whats a good ftp program for debian?
08:20<petemc>i find gftp a reasonable client
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08:21<rkos>ok thanks
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08:25<Sakara>I've just put a box with Debian 4.0 running apache I want it to be viewable by my customers. How do I get my domain name to point to my web server? Anyone..
08:25<petemc>create an A record
08:26<Sakara>please petemc explain
08:26<petemc>irc isnt the right place for an idiots guide to dns
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08:29<Slydder>Sakara: do you even have access to a DNS server and if so do you have SOA for your domain and can you modify the records for said domain?
08:29<Slydder>lol. just noticed he left.
08:29<Slydder>how embarrasing.
08:29<voicu>what's the program that handles the compiz configuration?
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08:39<Slydder>you failed
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08:40<neko>i have a question not debian related, it's about the zip command line tool
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08:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:43<Cyorxamp>-Panic- Hi, I ran gzip on a tar file and it started to make it but I accidentally closed the SSH connection and it stopped half way through
08:43<Cyorxamp>It seems to have been replacing the tar with the tar.gz so how can I get it to finish or go back to a tar?
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08:48<Slydder>just found a rather annoying bug in gpass where you lose all passwords entered after the last save if the system shutsdown/resets while the application is in it's locked state. now I have to go and reinstall tripwire on a system because I no longer have the passwords. lol
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08:51<Br01>Hi all
08:51<Br01>how to install a pci sat in debian, i have skystar2
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08:58<gsimmons>Br01: Looks to be supported by the stv0299 driver. See <> for more details. You'd want to install the 'dvb-utils' package.
09:00<Br01>thx :)
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09:05<Cyorxamp> is there any command I can get or in linux to -immediately- request a cut of power?
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09:12<JustSoul>Cyorxamp: power button?
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09:16<JustSoul>mb -> reboot -d -f -i
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09:19<JustSoul> linux know what I want: reboot or halt, if reboot is symlink to halt?
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09:22<blarson>JustSoul: some programs test the name they were started with.
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09:23<JustSoul>like `basename $0` ?
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09:33<Supaplex>I posted a message regarding the kernel oops on debian #457006 (nvidia-kernel-source) at please review and comment if you can. thank you :)
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09:36<Mikado111>hello everyone, can I ask about something ?
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09:36<Supaplex>!tell Mikado111 -about ask
09:36<Supaplex>as long as it relates directly to debian, sure
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09:37<Mikado111>I have only debian dvd nr 1
09:37<Mikado111>do I need download dvd nr2 and dvd nr3
09:37<Mikado111>if I want to install debian?
09:38<Supaplex>no. dvd1 is overkill if you have a network connection
09:38<Supaplex>!tell Mikado111 -about netinst
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09:40<Supaplex>but if you already made dvd1, you can install from that
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09:42<Mikado111>I tried to install debian from iso-cd xfce few times but always some files was missing
09:42<Br01>hi all
09:42<Mikado111>is it possible that available iso is broken?
09:42<Br01>anyone know how to install dvb-s card
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09:43<Nemoder>Mikado111: what files were missing?
09:44<Supaplex>Mikado111: that's what the md5sums are for
09:44<Supaplex>dork bot!
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09:44<Supaplex>no, for the entire .iso
09:44<Nemoder>oh md5 of the iso
09:45<Supaplex>*ding* :)
09:46<duvi>Need som ehelp regarding xorg here, anyone?
09:46<Supaplex>!tell duvi -about ask
09:46<duvi>xorg+dualhead+intel 965G
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09:48<Supaplex>!tell duvi -about xinerama
09:49<Supaplex>what else have you tried?
09:49<jMCg>!tell me -about xinerama too!
09:49<Supaplex>I know there's plenty of stuff on google about it too
09:49<Mikado111>md5 sum is unique for any file?
09:50<jMCg>Supaplex: you mean stuff is not dead urls, like
09:50<Nemoder>unique enough
09:50<duvi>Xinerama is not working with intel 965G. Intel 965G is using xrandr 1.2
09:50<duvi>I got a purple screen with on my TMDS-1 monitor . The VGA monitor is working fine.
09:51<Supaplex>jMCg: dpkg collects them as a hobby. have a better one, just say so :)
09:51<Mikado111>is possible then to create md5-reverse sum, you download only md5 sum and file is created from it
09:51<Supaplex>dpkg: xinerama =~ s#
09:51<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
09:51<Nemoder>Mikado111: that would be some amazing compression.. but no
09:51<jMCg>Supaplex: what kinda bot is dpkg, btw?
09:52<duvi>the problem is that, when I'm using slackware or mandriva the xrandr is working fine, but with debian lenny I don't know why I got a purple screen instead.
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09:54<duvi>I'm using debian lenny, netinstall base-system + x-window-system + xdm + fluxbox
09:54<Supaplex>Mikado111: it's possible, but impractial.
09:55<Supaplex>Mikado111: people have illustrated how collisions are possible. there are ways to fool it, if you have the resources. even the know how makes it tricky. it works well enough for now.
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09:56<Wesley>It's really impossible to send a valid HTML mail to hotmail, without it being marked as junk :<
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10:01<andresvia>How to get the UUID of some volume?
10:03<Supaplex>if it's ext2/3 tune2fs can do it
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10:04<gsimmons>andresvia: You can also use `blkid'.
10:06<amphi>andresvia: or vol_id
10:09<Mikado111>it is strange, md5 sum for downloaded iso is the same as md5 sum in MD5SUMS
10:10<Supaplex>what's the exact error wrt file missing?
10:10<Mikado111>I used few different cd's and always some files was missing
10:11<Supaplex>all the cds/dvds are sorted by popularity. dvd1 should have the most popular stuff.
10:12<Mikado111>it is hard to tell, because I did not run cd integrity check
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10:12<Supaplex>if the md5sum matches, the check would most likely pass
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10:14<andresvia>Thanks all. amphi, can't find the vol_id command. blkid works ok.
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10:16<brokencycle>I've got a problem installing Etch (4.0r0) on i386 using LVM on Crypto on RAID (/boot on RAID, rest on a crypto volume).
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10:17<brokencycle>The problem is that grub vanishes from the installation menu.
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10:43<Mikado111>ubuntu is debian based? today this is what heppend to me: I though it was some bug and press `y`.
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10:44<ServerSide>Mikado111: hoy nice
10:44<petemc>Mikado111: #ubuntu on freenode
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10:48<whynux>is there xvidtune on lenny ?
10:48<ServerSide>Hi, Do anyone know why my flash don't rightly displays the menu? :/
10:49<gsimmons>!tell whynux -about search
10:50<whynux>gsimmons, i get "Please install the program before using" after run xvidtune
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10:51<whynux>gsimmons, i do install the xbase-clients
10:52<whynux>does xvidtune run on intel VGA ?
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11:04<flinx>I did MoreUbuntu with vserver,but only wideo working fine by now.
11:04<flinx>Have problems with keyboard and mouse...
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11:06<flinx>When 1 guest os is running kb and mouse is ok?
11:07<flinx>When 1 guest os is running kb and mouse is ok, but when i running second guest both mouses not working and 1 keyboard not working too.
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11:11<flinx>here i posted what i have in xorg.conf of 1-st and 2-nd guests ( ).
11:12<flinx>Maybe somebody did MoreUbuntu before and can help me?
11:12<noflash>flinx, is this an ubuntu question?
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11:13<flinx>noflash: debian
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11:13<noflash>what is MoreUbuntu
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11:15<flinx>noflash: multi-seat powered by vserver
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11:15<noflash>that's nice...good luck :)
11:15<flinx>noflash: I doing it on debian
11:15<flinx>noflash: thanks :)
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11:16<noflash>flinx, looks to me like you need to run ubuntu to use it?
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11:17<flinx>noflash: not actually
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11:18<flinx>noflash: vserver can work on almost any distro
11:18<noflash> I said good luck :)
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11:29<jason__>hi where cam i find webcam drivers for linux
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11:30<cahoot>jason__: the answer depends on what camera it's about
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11:30<cahoot>jason__: the id in lsusb is a good startingpoint
11:31<cahoot>(if it's an usb device)
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11:54<oompa-loompa>hey my ext3 partition has issues
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11:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:55<oompa-loompa>I did an fsck on it but that is not fixing the error anything else I can try?
11:55<kop>oompa-loompa : Did you use -f in your fsck?
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11:55<kop>oompa-loompa : You had it mounted read-only?
11:55<oompa-loompa>it says there seem to be some sort of error with my partition table
11:56<kop>oompa-loompa : (or unmounted?)
11:56<kop>oompa-loompa : That may not be an ext3 problem, it may be a partition table problem. What was the error message?
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11:57<oompa-loompa>just it couldn't read any further and that seemed to be an error with my partition table
11:57<oompa-loompa>still cant understand why
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11:57<oompa-loompa>I tried to shrink this partition , I use LVM
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11:57<oompa-loompa>but shrinking didnt work
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11:58<kop>oompa-loompa : Did you do a resize2fs first?
11:58<oompa-loompa>afterwards I started receiving this errrors
11:58<kop>oompa-loompa : You know about paste?
11:58<oompa-loompa>resize2f -f /dev/debian/home
11:59<oompa-loompa>you mean if I can paste logs here?
11:59<petemc>no, you cant
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11:59<kop>oompa-loompa : That just resizes it to the current partition size. You need to resize it to something _smaller_ then resize the partition.
11:59<kop>!tell oompa-loompa -about pastebin
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12:00<oompa-loompa>what can I do at this point? :(\
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12:00<kop>I'd say pastebin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk", "pvs", "lvs", "vgs", and "df -h" and then see if somebody can tell you what's wrong. (Gotta go.)
12:01<kop>oompa-loompa : Also, the exact error message and the command you run.
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12:02<kop>oompa-loompa : If that does not work, then come back and ask later or write the debian mailing list.
12:04<oompa-loompa> here buddy
12:05<oompa-loompa>the problem is with home
12:06<oompa-loompa>or /dev/debina/home or /dev/mapper/debina-home
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12:10<oompa-loompa>I think I spotted the error
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12:10<oompa-loompa>but dont know how to fix it
12:10<oompa-loompa>according to lvs home did shrink to 13G, but df says it didn't any advice
12:12<oompa-loompa>to shrink I did this:
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12:13<oompa-loompa>e2fsck -f /dev/debina/home
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12:13<oompa-loompa>lvreduce -L 13G /dev/debina/home
12:13<oompa-loompa>resize2fs /dev/debina/home
12:13<oompa-loompa>am I missing anything?
12:13<oompa-loompa>or am I suppose to it somehow else?
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12:15<kop>oompa-loompa : You should have used resize2fs first, and specified an argument that told it to shrink. Instead, you've shrunk the partition but not the filesystem. I'm not clear on how to recover. Better go to someone else for advice.
12:16<kop>oompa-loompa : It _might_ be possible to extend the logical volume back to where it was. Then run e2fsck to recover, and then do it the right way. But maybe there's a better way. Right now I'd leave everything unmounted and untouched for fear you might lose files.
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12:18<kop>oompa-loompa : You could ask on the lvm mailing list, whatever that is. Or maybe lvm has a irc channel. If you don't get an answer here. (I'd expect somebody here knows, but....)
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12:23<Mikado111>it is strange, md5 sum for iso file is ok but integrity check finding error: ./pool/main/n/nano/nano_2.0.1-1etch_i386.deb
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12:24<Mikado111>and, installation is aborted for "noboot"
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12:39<mastac>Can you help me?
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14:21<rjent>is anyone using ufdbGuard?
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15:04<eldowan>Does Intel's VT technology work with etch?
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15:23<f_mohr>is there an easy way to clone the package list from one system to another?
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15:26<petemc>!+debian clone
15:26<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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15:30<cheeseboy>whats ms paint for linux?
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15:30<skiter>cheeseboy, tuxpaint/
15:31<cheeseboy>kk ill try it
15:31<skiter>its very simple
15:31<skiter>I like the gimp
15:32<cheeseboy>gimp takes too long to open
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15:33<skiter>but is very powerfull
15:33<cheeseboy>o whats a cacluator program too?
15:33<skiter>xcalc gcalc
15:33<Gathond>rpncalc, bc
15:33<cheeseboy>which is better?
15:34<Gathond>those are text only though
15:34<Gathond>depends, i like rpncalc since I like RPN (old HP calculators)=
15:34<Gathond>the nice thing about bc is it is arbitrary precision
15:34<cheeseboy>wat u mean text only?
15:34<Gathond>they are console programs
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15:35<skiter>use xcalc
15:35<cheeseboy>there a gui one?
15:35<ranix>set the span variable in bc
15:35<ranix>bc is better than xcalc
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15:35<Gathond>not graphical beasts where you point and click every single function
15:35<skiter>I use python to calc :D
15:35<ranix>bc can do += and /= and stuff
15:35<Gathond>bc can do arbitrary length numbers:)
15:35<Gathond>which is nice
15:36<Gathond>for those times you have to do stuff like 100^45.2
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15:36<cheeseboy>wat about swuare roots?
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15:37<cheeseboy>how i do that in terminal
15:37<amphi>bc is handy for quick base conversion too
15:37<Gathond>cheeseboy: bc has a sqrt function
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15:38<cheeseboy>ya how i use it?
15:38<Gathond>its a function sqrt(foo) to get the square root of foo
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15:39<cheeseboy>kk thnx
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15:43<ecc>can anyone recommend which ident daemon to install? I see 8 different ones
15:45<cheeseboy>how i open file w/ tux paint X(
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15:51<f_mohr>!+aptitude clone
15:51<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>.
15:52<ranix>wow cool f_mohr
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15:53<f_mohr>dpkg --get-selections was the easier way ..
15:53<petemc>aptitude is generally better tho
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16:07<youz>I have a problem, i can't show video in youtube
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16:09<youz>I have a problem, i can't show video in youtube !
16:10<digger>youz, browser?
16:10<youz>Wesley apecat_ ao2
16:10<Shell>Alguem do Brasil?
16:11<youz>i'm french
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16:11<youz>I can't show streaming video
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16:24<ServerSide>do someone know how can I change my console charset?
16:25<neosix>hello! I'm using Lenny, and I have strange problem. My fonts in applications are small, when I loged as normal user, when I loged like root fonts are OK. Any idea?
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16:26<carrett>hey guys. i have an xhtml question, where's the best place to go?
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16:34<Sweeney-Todd>hi, I am trying to redirect my public DNS to my local server. Should I configure BIND with forwarders ?
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16:35<knoppix_>huhu einer da
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16:38<noflash>!tell Guest752 -about de
16:39<lars>ServerSide: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
16:40<ServerSide>kk thx
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16:43<cheeseboy>how do i install mono?
16:44<Torsten_W>apt-get install mono?
16:45<cheeseboy>it says its broken
16:45<cheeseboy> mono: Depends: mono-common (= but 1.2.6+dfsg-5 is to be installed
16:45<cheeseboy> Depends: mono-jit (= but 1.2.6+dfsg-5 is to be installed
16:45<cheeseboy>E: Broken packages
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16:48<Torsten_W>cheeseboy: could that be, that u have a mix of etch/testing?
16:48<cheeseboy>no idea
16:48<Torsten_W>what u have installed? etch or testing?
16:49<cheeseboy>no idea
16:50<cheeseboy>testing i think?
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16:57<cheeseboy>:o chuy_max
16:58<chuy_max>hey cheeseboy
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18:15<tvn>I am trying to setup dokuwiki on Etch, after doing a apt-get install dokuwiki and follow the initial config steps
18:16<tvn>what else do I need to do ? I can't access http://localhost/dokuwiki -- my web server apache works fine.
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18:18<zulu9_kde4>hi! is kde4 in experimental not installable atm?
18:18<dkr>tvn: what is the error when you try?
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18:18<tvn>dkr, Forbidden error
18:18<tvn>it says I don't have permission to access /dokuwiki
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18:20<dkr>tvn: do you have /etc/apache2/conf.d/dokuwiki.conf as a symlink to /etc/dokuwiki/apache.comf?
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18:20<tvn>dkr, just checked, yes I have that symlink
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18:22<zulu9_kde4>when I follow that down it seems libplasma1 is not at 4.0.1-1 yet, right?
18:23<tvn>dkr, got it work, I have to add some Alias stuffs to 000-default in sites-enable
18:23<dkr>tvn: what is the error message from apache log? (/var/log/apache2/error_log )it might give more detail about why forbidden
18:24<dkr>tvn: weird, that should be in that symlinked file. well,glad you got it working
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18:27<tvn>dkr, but the symlinked is in /etc/apache2/conf.d dir --- I thought apach2 only enables alias from the enable dir
18:27<dmg>hey all, i have a quation. is there a way to update your synaptic packages most of them seem to be out of date
18:27<dkr>tvn: all files in conf.d are included, (as well as sites-enabled)
18:27<tvn>dkr, ah ic,
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18:32<Schreck>Hi guys...
18:32<Schreck>I've got a question about SSH keys / Password
18:32<Schreck>ssh-agent can remember password of ssh keys...
18:32<Schreck>Is there any wai to remember the password of an account ?
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18:33<tvn>dkr, I receive a bunch of warnings on top of my dokuwiki page about this version is outdated etc ... is there a way to get rid of those warnings ?
18:34<dkr>tvn: hrm. maybe I didn't have that because I use a custom template
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18:34<dkr>maybe there is a config option for version check warning?
18:35<tvn>not sure, but can I acess the configs through the web interface ?
18:35<tvn>or have to edit some files manually ?
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18:36<eldowan>do to etch-> lenny, aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. The aptitude upgrade is left out because it is a subset of dist-upgrade, yes?
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18:50<debacle>hi all, i think, i need some postfix guru. I can't send back mail status for sent mail. Is there anyone can help me please ?
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18:50<debacle>ohh ... forgotten .. i'm running postfix on debian etch !
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18:53<debacle>please is there anyone can help ?
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18:55<abrotman>debacle: you might want to check #postfix on
18:56<debacle>abortman: i think i have to thank you for the suggestion !!! :-D
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19:22<Schreck>With sftp... Any way to send complete folders ?
19:24<Schreck>put */* seems to work
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19:37<zerothis>I'm trying to install debian 40r2 using the net iso (<180MB). the installer fails to detect my ISA NIC. the NIC has a predominate chip marked '"N", YES, NetWare' and a chip marked 'Delta lanf7236g 0004'. it also says "Plug & Play" and "Supports full duplex". Finally their are a series of jumpers for ROM ADDR, IO ADDR, IRQ, JUMP and PnP, all of them are open. booting with PnP closed has no effect
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19:38<zerothis>predominate = prominent, darn spell check!
19:39<witte>zerothis: do you know which module you need for that card?
19:40<zerothis>I've used moduals before, but havn't a clue as to what they are or how I managed to use them. I don't suppode the install would say
19:41<witte>zerothis: the thing is, the netinstall does not autodetect your card, so you could load the module (driver) by hand, but than you need to know which card it is :-)
19:42<witte>zerothis: and you do not have some pci card lurking around that you can plug in for a while (during the install?)
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19:42<witte>zerothis: are you still in the installer?
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19:46<zerothis>no pci nic handy. assuming I can identify the card, where do I look for the matching module and how do I load that module from a floppy? yes, the installer is at a screen with hundreds of network hardwares listed. I only have one monitor an no KVM so checking it will be very slow.
19:47<witte>if you can identify the card, you can have a look at google for the exact module name, and just modprobe module name in the installer terminal (ctrl-alt-f2
19:47<witte>zerothis: i suppose the kernel will have the driver for an isa card available
19:48<zerothis>so just "modprobe modulename" at the commandline?
19:49<gsimmons>zerothis: It's likely a NE2000 clone, which should be supported by the "ne" module.
19:49<zerothis>i'll give ne a try first, brb
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19:54<latenal>hello, what are shpchp and pciehp for?
19:54<zerothis>network is now configured, thanks
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19:54<involver>good evening
19:55<zerothis>new problem, the installer is only responding to special keys (ctrl, enter, backspace, etc). it is not responding to letter keys
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19:55<witte>zerothis: that seems strange?
19:56<witte>zerothis: if nobody answers here, you could try #debian-boot (but the response rate there could be slow as well, but the people there are the ones who worked on the installer)
19:59<latenal>what are shpchp and pciehp for?
20:01<witte>latenal: modinfo shpchp gives "Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver"
20:01<witte>latenal: and the other one si "description: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver"
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20:02<involver>what is the latest version of gnome on debian 4 ?
20:02<latenal>witte, they fail to load. is there somthing to worry about?
20:03<gsimmons>involver: Etch was released with GNOME 2.14.
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20:05<witte>latenal: don't know, what is the exact error
20:05<witte>latenal: maybe you can paste your dmesg output in a pastebin
20:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:11<witte>latenal: mmmm, what do you get when you try to load them by hand (modprobe shpchp and modprobe the-other-one)
20:12<latenal>witte, fatal error: operation not permitted
20:12<witte>latenal: you need to be root to do so
20:12<latenal>witte, i am
20:14<witte>latenal: can you upload the output of modprobe -v shpchp
20:14<witte>latenal: and please note that not an expert in these modules etc
20:15<witte>latenal: btw, which kernel are you running (uname -a)
20:15<latenal>witte, 2.6.8-3-k7
20:15<witte>latenal: sarge?
20:15<latenal>witte, uhuh
20:16<witte>latenal: ok, that is quite useless for debugging :-)
20:16<latenal>wiite, why?
20:17<witte>latenal: sorry, i can't help you further
20:17<witte>latenal: i meant the upload, i hoped it would have a bit more errors
20:17<witte>latenal: now it sais it does a insmod, and afterwards it gave the error we already knew
20:18<latenal>witte, what if i add them to blacklist?
20:18<witte>latenal: this error, do you see it only recently? or is this something you already have for quite some time
20:18<witte>latenal: if you blacklist them, i guess you will have the same operation of hte system as you have now, only no boot errors
20:19<latenal>witte, no, i installed debian and try to sort out all problems..
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20:19<witte>latenal: you know that sarge is oldstable, and i am not sure it will be supported
20:19<dpkg>well, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists:
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20:19<witte>latenal: you installed sarge on a reasonably new system?
20:20<shamess>I'm brand new to debian, is this the best place for me to be asking nooby questions?
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20:20<latenal>witte, i cannot download a new one
20:20<PaiN>Hey people
20:20<witte>shamess: i am not sure it is the best place, but a good place to start ;-)
20:20<witte>latenal: what do you mean.
20:20<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security>
20:21<latenal>wiite, i have a dialup connection :) 33.6 kbit/s
20:21<witte>latenal: ah, dailup, ok that is something else
20:21<PaiN>im a newbie well kinda, but can you guys give me a help, i have a Geforce Nvidia Fx 5200 and i cant install the drivers, because of the libc header files (distibutions libc devolopment package)
20:21<shamess>Is there an "undo" key for nano? I just tried control and z and got really scared till I realised what happened.
20:21<witte>latenal: by the time you have etch, lenny will be out :P
20:22<latenal>witte, hahah ))) yeah..
20:22<PaiN>any one can help ?
20:23<PaiN>-.-'' sry for been lame, but we were all at some time
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20:23<witte>PaiN: the open source drivers or the nvidia drivers
20:23<witte>shamess: don't know, exit without saving, and restarting :-)
20:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
20:24<witte>PaiN: ^^
20:24<PaiN>Thanks ;)
20:24<eldowan>My nc8430 will not boot correctly without the power cord attached (yes it does have the battery installed and charged). To boot on battery power, I must enable acpi=off. I've used kernels 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 and have upgraded acpi and apm packages to the most recent versions. Can someone help me get this thing working correctly?
20:24<witte>PaiN: are you sure you need the nvidia ones, the open source drivers are quite ok
20:25<PaiN>its ok, i will try my best to put it fine, and ive down the nvidia already
20:25<involver>thank you gsimmons
20:25<PaiN>maybe i can check that out too
20:25<shamess>okay. I understand that ^E would be control key and E, but what's M-E?
20:25<gsimmons>shamess: undo/redo keys are listed in the TODO file for (potentially) the next version.
20:25<witte>shamess: meta-e or alt-e
20:25<shamess>thanks :)
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20:26<latenal>witte, thank you, bye
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20:26<witte>grmbl, dpkg does not know everthing :(
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20:32<shamess>How do I restart a service (I want to restart apache2)?
20:33<witte>shamess: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
20:33<shamess>I can't believe I was so excited about using command line. xP
20:34<fmneto>Does anyone know about any problems with gdm in lenny?
20:34<fmneto>I can't start it using the rc script
20:34<abrotman>did you check the X log
20:34<fmneto>Everything seems find
20:35<abrotman>there's also a gdm log
20:35<dli>fmneto, is it an X problem or just gdm problem?
20:35<fmneto>I believe it's a gdm problem
20:35<fmneto>X starts fine
20:35<fmneto>and when I just call 'sudo gdm' from the command line, it loads
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20:36<fmneto>I though it might be a problem with the startup scripts, but they looked fine to me
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20:36<gsimmons>eldowan: Do you have the most recent BIOS revision installed? Apparently several ACPI-related issues were resolved.
20:36<dli>fmneto, /etc/init.d/gdm won't?
20:37<eldowan>gsimmons: well hell. BIOS didn't even come into my consideration. Thanks a lot.
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20:37<fmneto>dli: Nope.
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20:37<fmneto>Both log files seem ok.
20:38<DaCapn>anyone know what might cause a mysterious intermittent error in my gdm session? like all of a sudden the screen blinks, then I'm greeted with a black screen with 9 "box" characters and a blinking cursor
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20:38<dli>DaCapn, can you still use console to login?
20:39<DaCapn>yeah, and users shows only that user as logged in. Also I can ctrl+alt+f8 and login anew
20:39<DaCapn>clarification: shows that only the console user is logged in
20:40<dli>DaCapn, sounds like X crashed uncleanly to me. buggy video card driver?
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20:41<DaCapn>latest nvidia driver
20:43<witte>DaCapn: installed a new kernel recently?
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20:43<DaCapn>heh, installed yesterday
20:44<DaCapn>the event is random, once when closing evince, another time dragging a file into gimp
20:45<dli>DaCapn, I blame nvidia. you are lucky, it doesn't hang your system
20:47<witte>DaCapn: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
20:48<PaiN>g nite all
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20:48<DaCapn>no warnings or errors
20:50<witte>DaCapn: but that is because you are looking in the file of the current session. Also have a look at Xorg.0.log.old, and ~/.xsessions-errors
20:51<fmneto>I just found out that in fact when I try to start gdm from /etc/init.d/gdm it does not even create a log file
20:52<fmneto>I'm still unsure as to what is going on here
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20:53<eldowan>gsimmons: thanks a bunch for that. it all works peachy now.
20:53<eldowan>!prize gsimmons
20:53*dpkg gives gsimmons a My Little Pony.
20:53<gsimmons>eldowan: Ah, good to hear.
20:53<mtretin>Hey, I have an easy question: my BIOS clock is local time (since I have windows too) and /etc/defaults/rcS has UTC=no, but dpkg-reconfigure tzdata keeps subtracting -5 from the BIOS clock to set the system time unless I tell it I'm UTC
20:54<gsimmons>eldowan: This seems to be a constant with HP laptops, IMO. For example, the Omnibook 6000 wouldn't completely restart (from within Linux) until BIOS revision 1.81 was applied.
20:55<eldowan>gsimmons: I'll have to keep that in mind.
20:56<eldowan>gsimmons: Weird. my wlan card isn't detected when booted by the battery. trying now booting w/ AC power
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20:57<DaCapn>This is the error at the end of the xsession-errors log: The application 'vino-session' lost its connection to the display :0.0; most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed the application.
20:57<DaCapn>But I think that's an effect error rather than a cause
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21:01<witte>DaCapn: sorry, can't help, and it is 3 in the morning here, so I will call it a night
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21:01<DaCapn>np, have a good one
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21:05<mike_>I did a standard Debian install and now some of the applications I try to run ask for the admin password. That's fine, but when I enter it I get an error saying they can't be run because they have to be run as root.
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21:06<mike_>If I run a root terminal and run them from there they work fine. Do I have to do some mucking around in users and groups so they'll run from the GUI?
21:07<fmneto>Can you give an example?
21:07<mike_>I installed wifi-radar for example. That won't run from the Gnome GUI.
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21:08<shamess>My timezone is currently set to PST, how can I change it to GMT?
21:09<fmneto>Are you sure it's the root password it asks?
21:09<dondelelcaro>shamess: unset TZ if it's set or run tzconfig to configure the system-wide timezone.
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21:09<mike_>I have the same password for root as my user account. :)
21:10<eldowan>hmm. to diagnose a problem with acpi issues in a laptop, I installed the kernel and related utilities from lenny. On an etch machine. (hey it was much quicker than downloading the full 1.4 GB to dist-upgrade) the etch kernel still seems to be running the system fine. Is there a way that I can force the packages that are higher in version number than etch to install the etch version?
21:10<mike_>Right click the time in the GUI and select adjust time and date.
21:10<fmneto>Do you try to run it from the menu or from a terminal?
21:10<mike_>From the menu.
21:11<mike_>The applications menu.
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21:13<fmneto>I'm not sure what's wrong, but I'd guess you user doesn't have some priviledge
21:14<fmneto>Or maybe the program should be installed suid
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21:16<weld>hi there.. i need a programm or thing giving me the russian letters to write in utf8... is there anything like this?
21:16<weld>sorry for my spelling ;)
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21:23<mike_>I installed it with the package manager. Seems to me another program had the same problem but I forget which one.
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21:24<Ouroboros>is there a way to change ramdisk size without rebooting the system?
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21:26<abrotman>you mean swap ?
21:26<Ouroboros>no i mean /dev/ram0 etc
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21:30<mike_>rebooting, brb
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21:44<zerothis>another problem during install. all the internet mirrors fail, "bad mirror". I'm located in Jefferson (Northern California) and have tried all the US mirrors
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21:48<Ouroboros>you have network?
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21:59<mike_>Enter your password to perform administrative tasks - The application 'usr/local/sbin/wifi-radar' lets you modify essential parts of your system
22:00<mike_>Failed to run /usr/sbin/wifi-radar as user root - The underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does not allow you to run this program. Contact the system administrator.
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22:03<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
22:03<zerothis>well, I have debian installed, but it seems to be command-line only. and apt-get doesn't seem to find any gui packages such as bb or even kde
22:04<mike_>At least I have a GUI. :)
22:04<Ouroboros>zerothis: did you select "dekstop environment" in the lsit of stuff to install?
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22:05<zerothis>it never gave me such a list. all the mirrors failed, "bad mirrior", so I opted to go back and not use the network install. it reported installation, ejected the CD and said to reboot. it rebooted to the command line and 'startx' isn't recognised
22:06<Ouroboros>you should probably figure out why the bad mirror is happening
22:06<zerothis>is their a single CD image, non-networked, that will install debian with a gui ?
22:07<Ouroboros>yeah i think so
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22:07<Ouroboros>there is a set of full-CD images
22:07<zerothis>I mentioned the mirror problem here but no one responded
22:07<Ouroboros>i think you probably dont have network connection
22:08<RIVE>I had problems with berkeley repo this week, had to change it.
22:08<Ouroboros>yeah, that one is messed up all the time
22:08<Ouroboros>i use personally
22:09<RIVE>Thaś the one I use now Ouroboros.
22:09<zerothis>"full-CD image<<s>>", I don't have a stack of CD-Rs handy, nor a drive big enough for dozens of iso files. I can only handle about 1 iso at a time
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22:09<Ouroboros>zerothis: i think the first image most likely contains X... but you have to check
22:09<Ouroboros>zerothis: the full set contains the entire package distribution i think
22:11<Ouroboros>anyway, gotta go now
22:11<Ouroboros>good luck
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22:11<mike_>I think my problem is explained a bit more here.
22:11<RIVE>zerothis, check the file /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:11<zerothis>21 CDs, I don't have the resources for that
22:12<mike_>If anyone can help me get wifi-radar to run from the applications menu instead of manually through the root terminal that would be great.
22:12<mike_>You probably only need CD1
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22:13<mike_>I know I only needed DVD1 of 4 to install and run Debian so far.
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22:13<zerothis>I don't have a DVD writer, nor does my target box have a DVD-ROM
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22:14<mike_>My point was just because there are multiple disk images doesn't mean you need them all. :)
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22:15<mike_>You may need more than one but the extra disks are usually extra stuff you might not install.
22:15<RIVE>mike_, ¿have you tried to add a icon to the applicatiosn menu for wifi-radar?
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22:15<mike_>The icon was installed by package manager. It won't run from there though.
22:16<weld>hi all, want to write some letter from the Cyrillic Alphabet in some kde apps.. how would you do that? is there a small programm for this getting me the letters in utf8?
22:16<mike_>Well it runs, asks for admin password, enter that, fails with a sudo error.
22:17<mike_>You need to install utf8 fonts maybe?
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22:17<RIVE>mike_, let me turn on my lap, i use wifi-radar in it.
22:18<mike_>unicode-data is in the package manager. That might help you weld
22:18<mike_>Under misc/text
22:19<mike_>or use apt-get unicode-data
22:19<mike_>If I have that right. I don't use apt-get from the command line anyway. :)
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22:22<RIVE>mike_, in the field command of the wifi-radar icon you must have gksu -u root wifi-radar then will ask you for you root password.
22:26<mike_>How do I edit that. I'm a little new to Debian.
22:27<RIVE>In the wifi-radar icon, click it with the right boton of your mouse, then select propierties
22:28<RIVE>Sorry for my bad english mike_
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22:30<mike_>There is no properties choice.
22:30<mike_>Gnome? Do you have KDE instead maybe?
22:30<RIVE>I use Gnome.
22:31<mike_>There are two choices and a sub-menu. No properties.
22:32<mike_>add this launcher to panel - add this launcher to desktop >entire menu
22:32<RIVE>Your right sorry, my mistake, grab the icon and move it to the bottom or upper bar.
22:32<RIVE>Then right click it and select propierties.
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22:34<mike_>That works.
22:34<mike_>How do I edit the ones in my applications menu?
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22:35<mike_>Think I found it. Right click applications and edit. :)
22:35<RIVE>Right click the "Aplications" menu, you will see the choice "edit menues"
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22:37<RIVE>I use Lenny and it works, don,t know for sure in Etch.
22:38<mike_>wifi-radar is there but no way to edit it that I can find.
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22:39<RIVE>You can't edit it the way you did is the icon is en the bottom o upper bar.
22:40<mike_>I edited the one in the upper bar fine.
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22:40<mike_>Maybe move the upper bar one back to the other menu?
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22:41<RIVE>Soorry, you can edit it, joust right click the icon and select propierties.
22:41<mike_>I did edit the one I moved to the top bar. I can't edit the ones in the applications menu though. :)
22:42<RIVE>NOt all the icons you see there are editables.
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22:44<mike_>Has to be a way to edit them....
22:45<RIVE>That much I don't know.
22:45<PxF>can i install i386 version if i have amd athlon 64 x2 processor?
22:45<mike_>Well your trick helped a lot so far. At least I can run it from the GUI now. Thanks RIVE
22:46<mike_>PxF yes.
22:46<RIVE>Ok mike_, your welcome.
22:46<RIVE>Yes PxF.
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22:48<PxF>so what is the difference between x86 and amd64 ver?
22:48<pobega>Hey everyone - What is the 'Debian Way' to install a Java environment in Mozilla/Galeon? I've installed all the Java-related packages from contrib/non-free but Java still isn't working for me.
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22:49<RIVE>PxF, the diference is that if you use a AMD64 distro, the software packages are optimazed to use all the "power" of the procesor.
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22:50<mike_>What RIVE said. ;-) I've heard there are some things that don't work with amd64 yet but that information might be outdated as stuff updates pretty fast.
22:50<chealer>PxF: amd64 can't be used on 32-bit CPUs
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22:51<RIVE>Nop chealer, only if you have a Core 2 Duo proccesor.
22:51<chealer>pobega: not sure about "Mozilla", but which release do you use?
22:51<chealer>RIVE: what?
22:51<mike_>If I had an amd64 chip I'd use the amd64 version unless I ran into something that wouldn't work right anyway.
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22:52<RIVE>You can use a AMD64 distro if you have a computer with a Core 2 Duo proccesor in it.
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22:52<pobega>chealer, release of Galeon or Mozilla?
22:52<PxF>ok, thanks
22:53<pobega>chealer, Galeon:
22:54<pobega>And my Java packages are sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-demo, sun-java5-jdk, sun-java5-jre, sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jdk, sun-java6-jre
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22:58<pobega>Anyone have any ideas? It's bugging me that I can't get this to work.
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23:01<chealer>pobega: of Debian?
23:02<pobega>chealer, What's of Debian? The packages are all from Debian (testing), as is Galeon
23:03<chealer>pobega: did you install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin?
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23:03<pobega>chealer, The packages don't appear to exist
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23:04<chealer>pobega: I'll take that as a no. you need to install one of them.
23:05<pobega>chealer, They don't exist though, the only things that show up when I do `aptitude search java | grep plugin` are java-gcj-compat-plugin and liblaf-plugin-java
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23:10<pobega>Ooh, no wonder, it's i386
23:11<pobega>I'm running Debian amd64
23:11<pobega>Is there a Java plugin for Galeon/Mozilla for amd64?
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23:19<involver>how to compile gnome from source on debian 4 amd64 ?
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23:20<chealer>involver: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
23:20<involver>because i love a icon theme that works only on gnome 2.20
23:21<involver>and i need that version on
23:22<chealer>involver: hehe. you can try backporting unstable's gnome, if you don't mind wasting your time.
23:22<involver>i dont mind but im affraid they will broke the system
23:23<involver>and they say 2.20 is much faster
23:23<chealer>involver: or testing's gnome, I suppose
23:23<involver>but isnt a way to download de tar.gz and compile it ?
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23:26<involver>uhm garnome
23:26<involver>i will give it a try
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23:27<involver>do i need both 3 dvds of debian for the installation ?
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23:28<involver>lol both 3
23:28<involver>all 3 i mean :)
23:28<chealer>involver: hehe, no
23:28<involver>just the first ?
23:28<chealer>involver: you need none. you can use the first as only installation media.
23:29<involver>thank you
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23:29<involver>does debian 4.0 provide pppoe option ?
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23:30<involver>im using a pppoe connection
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23:31<creeed>I connect a second monitor with the laptop and I wanna switch to it without restarting the X-server, any help please?
23:31<involver>what videocard you have creeed ?
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23:32<involver>its easy with ati catalyst
23:32<involver>i dont know how is the intel vga
23:32<creeed>GMA X3100
23:33<involver>you dont have a control panel for it , i suppose
23:33<creeed>no idea :)
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23:35<involver>night guys
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23:36<DaCapn>My x session goes down more-or-less randomly. My display configuration has no problems and I can work fine for a while before the screen flickers and then goes black. I get "caught signal 11. server aborting" in my xorg log. The only info I can seem to find is for x configurations that don't work at all, not working ones that fail. Anyone able to give me some direction?
23:37<DaCapn>After this happens I can cycle over to a console login and use that or go over to the next graphical one with ctrl+alt+f8 and use it fine
23:41<chealer>creeed: using lenny?
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23:44<pobega>My Dejavu-Sans font went missing...Any idea how I can get it back?
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23:49<chealer>creeed: hum. which X video driver do you use?
23:49<bori1>I'm trying to install opencms on debian.
23:50<bori1>and I have problems
23:50<chealer>pobega: is ttf-dejavu-core installed?
23:50<pobega>chealer, Yeah
23:50<bori1>is anybody here who can help me?
23:52<chealer>bori1: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
23:53<pobega>chealer, Any clue why the font would be missing?
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23:53<bori1>i have installed tomcat, and it deployed opencms, but i can't see setup opencms page
23:53<bori1>I only see HTTP "Status 404 - /opencms/opencms/setup/"
23:54<bori1>description The requested resource (/opencms/opencms/setup/) is not available.
23:54<pobega>Reinstalling the package did the trick, thanks chealer.
23:55<chealer>creeed: you compiled that from upstream source?
23:55<bori1>I deploy test tomcat application and it works
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23:56<bori1>no, I used own debian package
23:56<creeed>chealer, I dont remember, I think it was included
23:57<chealer>creeed: hum. could you provide your xorg.conf?
23:57<creeed>I did just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it was been detected!
23:57<creeed>I guess
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