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---Logopened Fri Feb 08 00:00:40 2008
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00:02<chealer>creeed: what was detected?
00:03<creeed>my GMA x3100 intel-chip
00:03<chealer>creeed: is this the first time you install Debian?
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00:06<creeed>chealer, hmm yes
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00:09<chealer>creeed: had you already installed another GNU/Linux distribution before?
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00:10<creeed>chealer, yes I did, hey are you from the FSF to make some statistic or what! :P
00:11<mpoer>hey guys, I'm curious about running GUI applications without X - I've seen it done in old versions of the gentoo-based SystemRescueCD, but I'm not sure how they did it. Any ideas?
00:11<chealer>creeed: no. I'm just wondering why you're talking about "xf86-video-intel" rather than i810, and how much experience you have with GNU/Linux.
00:12<chealer>mpoer: so if you already used Linux, could you provide your xorg.conf?
00:12<mpoer>chealer - it didn't use X. x.org wasn't in the system AFAIK at least
00:13<chealer>mpoer: you mean running them on a remote X server?
00:13<mpoer>it was odd, you would type in run_qtparted (or something similar) and it would put qtparted in your frame buffer
00:13<chealer>mpoer: sorry, my first message to you was actually for creeed
00:13<mpoer>or somewhere - it was graphical, but I swear there was no xserver
00:13<chealer>creeed: : so if you already used Linux, could you provide your xorg.conf?
00:14<chealer>mpoer: hum, no idea
00:14<mpoer>weird stuff, right? I'd never seen it before and have never seen it since
00:14<mpoer>but I was hoping to not have to go digging through their git repos and such
00:15<mpoer>looking for a clue
00:15<creeed>chealer, yes I can
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00:17<creeed>chealer, you mean I could use the proprietary driver i810 from intel?
00:18<chealer>creeed: not really. i810 isn't proprietary. please provide your xorg.conf
00:19<creeed>!past
00:19<dpkg>methinks past is you can also join #flood
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00:20<creeed>what's the url again pls
00:20<creeed>!copy
00:20<chealer>creeed: or at least, $ grep -A4 '"Device"' /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver
00:20<chealer>!tell creeed about paste
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00:22<creeed>http://paste.debian.net/48668
00:22<creeed>here is it
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00:23<creeed>"Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller"
00:23<creeed>this my device
00:23<chealer>creeed: yeah, I was asking about the driver, which is intel
00:24<creeed>yes
00:24<chealer>creeed: which version of xserver-xorg do you use?
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00:25<creeed>xserv1.3.0
00:26<creeed>X Window System Version 1.3.0
00:26<creeed>Release Date: 19 April 2007
00:26<creeed>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3
00:26<chealer>creeed: are you sure you're using etch?
00:26<creeed>so as you ask now, I'm using ubuntu but in the ubuntu channel nobody helps!
00:27<creeed>I'm sorry
00:27<creeed>but I use etch on a second computer
00:27<RIVE>Jajajaajajaja.
00:28<creeed>the problem should have with the ubuntu-laptop, the etch-pc works fine just no 3d-desktop but that doesnt matter
00:29<creeed>sorry chealer I aint kidding nobody just want getting some help
00:30<chealer>creeed: try harder next time
00:30<creeed>you mean on #ubuntu?
00:32<chealer>creeed: if you ever come back here for help with Ubuntu pretending to use Debian.
00:32<chealer>creeed: but maybe you should try harder on #ubuntu too. I didn't see you try.
00:32<RIVE>Jajajajaajajajaajaja.
00:32<RIVE>Really LOL.
00:33<creeed>chealer, that was before I ask for help here, about an hour I think and really more times. and I didnt lie I use really etch on an other computer
00:33<RIVE>Sorry, i'm laughing realy loud, even my wife ask me wy.
00:34<creeed>RIVE, nobody find it funny until you!
00:35<RIVE>creeed, when i Used Ubuntu a really good source of information was Ubuntu forums.
00:35<RIVE>Sorry, i know it ony was fun for me.
00:36<creeed>RIVE, right, I do too
00:36<RIVE>Ok, ok, sorry.
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00:37<RIVE>Don't want to be rude.
00:40<RIVE>But if you saw the topic of this channel its says clearly THIS IS NO #ubuntu, i don't care but there are others users that may tought is not very wise to search for a answer for ubuntu in this channel.
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00:43<xerophyte>if i have deb file how can i get info off it like which debs it depends on stuff ?
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00:45<xerophyte>i mean with rpm you can get info about rpm using rpm -qap pagage.rpm .. is there anyway i can get info of deb
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00:48<blarson>xerophyte: dpkg --info
00:50<JustSoul>morning
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00:55<Aleric>.... recovering files from ext3 is horror :/
00:56<Aleric>Takes me about an hour per file.
00:56*Aleric is recovering .xchat2/servlist_.conf
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01:00<Aleric>205:4239663
01:01<Aleric>dd if=/opt/large/HOME_DIR_RECOVERY_PROJECT/blocks/md5.block.205 of=servlist_.conf.block1.205 bs=1 skip=$((4239360)) count=4096
01:01<Aleric>Life sucks....
01:03<Aleric>205:4399180
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01:05<Aleric>Is there a bash way to print a number in hex?
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01:08<eldowan>I've got APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf but aptitude seems to be pulling from sid more often than not. Am I doing something incorrectly?
01:09<chealer>eldowan: for example?
01:09<JustSoul>Aleric: hexdump?
01:09<eldowan>libgcj-bc bsh gcc g++ make bzip2 etc...
01:09<eldowan>chealer: ^
01:10<Aleric>eldowan: maybe this helps: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata and the paragraph above (search for APT::Default-Release)
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01:10<Aleric>It won't explain why you have that, but it explains how I do it :/
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01:11<sydgdfgs>hye i am wondering if anyone can answer an issue i am having
01:11<Aleric>(and it explains how pinning works)
01:12<Aleric>Ok, I recovered servlist_.conf .. lets restart this client.
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01:12<sydgdfgs>when i install etch 4.0r2 using grub boot loader it doesn't correctly load the dvd ide i have but when i use lilo it detects it and lets me mount
01:12<JustSoul>sydgdfgs: check kernel parameters
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01:14<sydgdfgs>what am i looking for
01:14<sydgdfgs>?
01:14<JustSoul>Aleric: 09:11 < sydgdfgs> when i install etch 4.0r2 using grub boot loader it doesn't correctly load the dvd ide i have but when i use lilo it detects it and lets me mount
01:14<chealer>eldowan: OK. could you show something specific you do with these packages that doesn't go as you think it should?
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01:15<chealer>sydgdfgs: I guess whatever differences there are should be investigated
01:15<RIVE>Have to go, good night to all.
01:15<JustSoul>RIVE: good, bb
01:16<eldowan>chealer: well, I'm in the aptitude install phase of the factoid !aptitude clone. I don't do anything yet, but I assumed that with the only line of my apt.conf being the one above, and no /etc/apt/preferences that it wouldn't but a few files from sid
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01:17<chealer>eldowan: well, could you try something more simple, like apt-get install...
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01:18<eldowan>chealer: maybe I'm interpreting this wrong. apt-cache policy gksu reports this: 500 ... sid 990 ... testing. I would think that testing would get first go, not sid. Am I incorrect?
01:18<chealer>eldowan: no
01:19<eldowan>chealer: is it because they both have the same version number -- exactly -- that they are pulling from sid? I notice that sudo version is different from sid to testing, and I'm pulling testing down.
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01:19<Aleric>Does anyone know... if one deletes a file on ext3, does it even erase the content of Indirect Blocks? (The content of the block saying "Block Addresses" in http://res.sys-con.com/story/aug05/117909/linux-carrier-fig1.gif) ?
01:20<Aleric>That seems non-sense - as every relationship of the content with block address is gone anyway.
01:20<Aleric>It's just a block :/
01:20<chealer>eldowan: if they're the same version, how do you know they're not pulled from lenny?
01:20<Aleric>It seems much more logical to only erase the block pointers in the inode, no?
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01:21<eldowan>chealer: the scrolling text from aptitude says sid
01:21<eldowan>..... sid/main <package>
01:22<chealer>eldowan: please provide your sources.list
01:22<Aleric>I guess I'm going to have to experiment with this :/ .. Hm, that's why I joined here I remember now: I wanted to ask how to create a 100 MByte ext3 partition as file on my disk. Create it with dd, run mke2fs on it, and then mount it how? Something with -o loop I thought :/
01:24<eldowan>chealer: I think its because I have sid above testing in my sources.list. http://pastebin.ca/895981
01:25<Aleric>eldowan: Surely you already read the url I gave you and now know exactly how to interpret the output of apt-cache policy to debug this problem?
01:25<chealer>eldowan: right
01:25<eldowan>Aleric: I couldn't follow all of it.
01:25<Aleric>knowledge requires work :/
01:25<eldowan>Aleric: true, true
01:26<Aleric>Is it unhealthy to skip a night every other day?
01:26*Aleric doesn't feel like going to bed...
01:27<Aleric>Oh well.. 6 hours should be enough
01:27*Aleric is away: sleeping
01:28<JustSoul>Aleric: create with dd, run mke2fs, mount with -o loop options =)
01:29<JustSoul>Aleric: good night
01:31<eldowan>chealer: thanks for the help. I've come to my senses and realize that I will probably be better off in a non mixed system. I still don't understand the whole of the pinning URL, but thats neither here nor there
01:32<chealer>eldowan: really? it's not that hard. is there any problem?
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01:32<eldowan>once I moved the sid to the bottom of sources.list, the behavior was unchanged. from what I understand, I should be pulling from testing, but I'm not.
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01:34<chealer>eldowan: well, besides maybe not understanding that detail...
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01:35<eldowan>aah, so I don't even know what I'm not understanding. Hopefully re-reading the link again will clear it up.
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01:37<chealer>eldowan: IIUC the only thing you don't understand is why aptitude uses sid sources for a package version which is both in sid and lenny when testing sources are above sid sources
01:37<eldowan>Yes, that I certainly don't understand
01:38<chealer>eldowan: what else?
01:38<eldowan>Honestly, I'm not sure
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01:47<eldowan>have a good night/morning. I'm off.
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01:51<JustSoul>How to make my copy of etch repository and share ir for netinstall? (for copying i using apt-mirror)
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01:54<Slydder>morning all
01:54<JustSoul>Slydder: morning
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01:58<JustSoul>How to make my copy of etch repository and share ir for netinstall? (for copying i using apt-mirror)
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02:27<co>hh
02:27<co>semarang
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02:31<arman>hello, is http://http.us.debian.org/debian site down?
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02:37<vsmatck>It's working for me. I've found a good way to check whether or not it's me is to plug a URL in to translate.google.com. You can specify english to english in the URL and use it as a proxy too :)
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02:39<Torsten_W>arman: if i would you, i would use http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
02:39<chealer>arman: not really, but it seems to be a round-robin DNS, one of the servers being down (204.152.191.39)
02:40<arman>okay thanks
02:41<chealer>is it possible to hotplug a SATA hard drive with Linux 2.6.21?
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02:41<chealer>in a laptop
02:42<sep>chealer, if the laptop hardware supports it, and the sata chipset controller supports it, and the linux driver for that chipset controller supports it, then yes.
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02:42<vsmatck>Is hot plug SATA do-able without a special enclosure? I remember seeing some SATA enclosure at linux world that had an extra cable from the controller to the enclosure that the dude said was for hot swap.
02:43<vsmatck>was that BS? I have no idea.
02:43<sep>vsmatck, everything is possible, but one usualy does not do hotswap without a enclosure
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02:43<vsmatck>I'll do some research now and let you guys know :). I have time.. *waits for net install*.
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02:47<JustSoul>How to connect to current X desktop? (alternative of krfb,vino) or How to config vnc sever to :0
02:48<JustSoul>How to make my copy of etch repository and share ir for netinstall? (for copying i using apt-mirror)
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02:52<vsmatck>hmm, the ones I found don't seem to require and extra cable.
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02:53<chealer>JustSoul: what do you mean? you don't want to use krfb?
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02:53<JustSoul>I searching for alternatives
02:54<JustSoul>just testing, mb there are smth better?
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02:59<chealer>sep: which laptop hardware are you thinking about, besides the SATA controller (I'm checking that)
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03:02<alaya>JustSoul: you mean connect from another machine?
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03:05<JustSoul>I'm looking for: remote control/management (ssh,vnc - that I found), remote help (krfb), network management
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03:07<JustSoul>... distr-mirroring (apt-mirror) for netinstall (?)
03:07<alaya>JustSoul: i use ssh for that ;-)
03:08<JustSoul>alaya: yes, but it for control, and if User call and want help from me to do smth?
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03:09<alaya>JustSoul: why not?
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03:09<JustSoul>alaya: ssh also using for X?
03:10<alaya>sure why not?
03:10<alaya>ssh -X
03:10<alaya>its usually good to add -C for compression
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03:15<JustSoul>alaya: I see that "ssh -X" is console login
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03:16<chealer>sep: if it's an AHCI controller, that means the controller supports hot swap?
03:17<sep>chealer, that depeds on the implementation
03:17<sep>chealer, it's not common to support hotswap on regular pc mainboards.
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03:18<chealer>sep: OK
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03:26<JustSoul>damn, I don't understand =(((((((
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03:29<alaya>JustSoul: now run a command ;-)
03:30<JustSoul>alaya: done
03:30<alaya>i mean an X app
03:30<JustSoul>an
03:30<alaya>for example, xclock or xcalc
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03:31<JustSoul>Error: Can't open display:
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03:31<alaya>JustSoul: you have to ssh in as the user
03:31<JustSoul>ou
03:31<alaya>running X
03:31<alaya>JustSoul: actually, there might be a way to attach to it otherwise
03:32<JustSoul>alaya: "su" will help?
03:32<alaya>JustSoul: no. but you could use xhost + to allow that user/host to access
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03:34<JustSoul>Error: Can't open display:
03:35<JustSoul>alaya: let's stop on krfb now
03:35<alaya>JustSoul: man xhost
03:35<alaya>JustSoul: and use google
03:36<JustSoul>Adding *.desktop files in "/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus" added that task to action menu on files. Is it possible to make sub menu?
03:36<ted>hello, I'm using debian etch, using 2.6.18-5 as a kernel, and I'm having trouble with the r8169 driver: when I boot my computer without a network cable attached, and then plug it in, I can not ping it. I reload the kernel module, then it works. Anyone knows a solution?
03:36<JustSoul>alaya: ok, but later
03:37<JustSoul>ted: ifup eth0
03:38<ted>JustSoul: that doesn't help: interface already configured it says, and I see it in "ifconfig"
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03:41<ted>then I do: ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 and then I see: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
03:42<JustSoul>ted: you can add reload-driver-script in /etc/network/if-preup.d at last chance
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03:49<zala>ciao
03:49<zala>speack italian
03:49<JustSoul>!it
03:49<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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03:50<Zap-W>Hi
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03:56*JustSoul 's head exploded
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03:59<Zap-W>does anyone know if debian supports setting up vlan interface before the system start init ?
03:59<Zap-W>or maybe in initrd
04:01<chealer>does the ahci driver support hot swapping?
04:02<eldowan>can someone help me install ipw2200bg? I've ran make on the ieee80211 package, and I get this error wthen I try to make the ipw2200 driver: ERROR: ieee80211.h not found in '/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/include'. I've tried pointing the make to all directories that contain the file (found through locate) and am having no luck. The sf site doesn't give any help on this matter it seems
04:03<dli>eldowan, ipw2200 is in kernel
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04:06<eldowan>dli: I was informed on this channel that I needed to manually install the driver and firmware. Hmm. I'll try again to work the card.
04:06<dli>!ipw2200
04:06<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
04:06<eldowan>dli: aah, I read that factoid, but didn't listen to it. thanks
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04:11<eldowan>!p.d.o
04:11<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
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04:12<ankit1>i have to reconfigure the gdm everytime i boot the system
04:12<ankit1>is there any solution
04:13<eldowan>dli: I think I messed up files provided by my linux-image package. would aptitude reinstall rebuild missing files that were deleted?
04:14<dli>eldowan, you can rm the old /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686 folder, and reinstall the linux-image package
04:15<eldowan>dli: to make sure I understand: rm /lib/modules/2.6.22...; aptitude reinstall linux-image..... ?
04:15<dli>eldowan, of course, you have to reinstall all kernel module packages (if any)
04:16<eldowan>dli: got you. Thanks
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04:18<eldowan>dli: I don't think I have any kernel module packages. I've checked with aptitude search module | grep ^i and no apparent ones related to the running kernel are shown, nor with search linux | grep ^i
04:18<eldowan>Are there any other ways I should check?
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04:21<dli>eldowan, lsmod , if you don't recognize anything, you have none
04:21<eldowan>dli: great. Thanks again
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04:39<eldowan>dli: I've got the module loaded, and the driver is active. Thanks for the help on that. You wouldn't know, by chance, how I would go about activating the HW for the wireless? I get the message that the killswitch must be off to work.
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04:43<dli>eldowan, it could be a hardware switch
04:44<eldowan>dli: Its looking like it is. I don't have windows to boot into to physically enable it. and the button press does nothing.
04:45<dli>eldowan, you can try either Fn key, or BIOS
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04:45<eldowan>dli: button is seperate from keyboard. I'll check bios then.
04:45<dli>eldowan, it's hardware setting, not OS
04:45<petemc>!killswithc
04:45<petemc>damn
04:45<petemc>!killswitch
04:45<dpkg>ipw3945, iwl3945 and iwl4695 will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work.
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04:47<chealer>is there a kernel parameter or something that would allow me to boot Debian Live ignoring my HDD, which causes issues such as killing Windows and preventing me from installing Debian?
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04:48<eldowan>great. My bios show the card active, and the killswitch is on. I guess I'll have to do w/o as I don't have windows... :<
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04:48<eldowan>dli: thanks for all your help, petemc you too
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04:49<padski>chealer, those sound like serious issues. Are you sure that not ignoring your HDD is the cause
04:49<karnov>hi all ... i got a big problem ... my /usr is on another partition than the / and is too short for my upgrade ... but i can copy the /usr on the / where i will have enough place .... what else that modify fstab and copy /usr have i to do ?.
04:49<padski>chealer, those sound like serious issues. Are you sure that not ignoring your HDD is the cause
04:50<dli>karnov, just comment out /usr in your /etc/fstab
04:50<karnov>and that's all ?
04:50<dli>karnov, and "cp -a /usr / ;reboot"
04:51<karnov>do i have to play with skill -STOP/CONT o process if they have some dynamic library located in /usr or not ?
04:51<dli>karnov, who cares? after rebooting
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04:51<karnov>am i oblige to reboot ?
04:51<chealer>padski: well, the cause looks like some problem with the HDD. when the HDD is plugged (and I don't use any cheat code) Debian Live doesn't boot and Windows hangs booting when loading a disk driver. of course, when I remove the HDD I can't test whether Windows works.
04:52<dli>karnov, no, but you couldn't umount the old /usr without rebooting
04:52<karnov>yes ... fu ... i'm dumb ..
04:52<dli>karnov, I guess it possible to play with chroot, but I'm not sure how to do that
04:52<karnov>thought about something like partprobe ...
04:53<padski>chealer, something like hda=none help ?
04:53<karnov>no no ... i m just dumb. .. it's true i must reboot .. nothing possible with chroot
04:53<karnov>thanks for opening my eyes ... :)
04:53<karnov>bye
04:54<padski>chealer, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html#s7
04:54<padski>chealer, what sort of hahrdware is it ?
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04:55<chealer>padski: interesting, though the disk is SATA
04:55<padski>chealer, I was kinda hoping there would be an equivalent :-)
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05:02<Bolly>hey
05:03<Bolly>anyone know how to start vncserver so it lets you see the physical console?
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05:03<sep>Bolly, use x11vnc
05:03<chealer>padski: yeah. looking at kernel-parameters.txt it seems hdx was replaced by ide?
05:04<Bolly>thanks i'll try that
05:04<Bolly>i think i'm using tight atm
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05:13<padski>chealer, dunno. the distinction seems to be between the hd.c and ide.c drivers. afaik the hd.c driver is still in the tree.
05:13<padski>chealer, see ide.txt
05:14<chealer>padski: oh, it wasn't a question...I meant "idex"
05:14<chealer>:)
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05:20<chealer>sep: are you sure that some AHCI controllers can not support hot swapping? according to the AHCI 1.2, "The HBA must support native hot plug."
05:21<sep>chealer, try ?
05:23<chealer>sep: is there a risk of breaking something by plugging the drive during the laptop's operation if hot swapping wouldn't be supported?
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05:24<chealer>sep: thanks for your answers
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05:25<sep>chealer, .. yes unplugging ususlay goes ok, as long as nothing is mounted. plugging is a a matter of a steady hand, (why enclosures are nice) and makinf the new disk work after the operation, is a matter of chipset and driver support.
05:26<sep>chealer, hotplugging on a laptop. why not just use usb or fierwire where the is no doubt ?
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05:30<chealer>sep: what I want is to plug an HDD I think is faulty after boot, otherwise I didn't find a way to get Debian Live to boot. I want to launch a SMART test on the drive.
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05:31<sep>chealer, just do it, if the drivers dont want to detect the new drive, you can try rmmod ing them and then loading them again, (hopefully the cdrom uses a different one)
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05:32<chealer>sep: OK
05:32<sep>or use a adapter like i do. http://www.tcponline.com/images/Hard%20drive/Enclosure/USB_SATA_IDE.JPG
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05:32<chealer>sep: I'd sure do that if I had it under the hand
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05:32<sep>youll need severe bad luck to break anything, might not work tho. but worth a shot
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05:34<chealer>sep: so why do I need a steady hand?
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05:35<sep>chealer, just DO it for crying out load :)
05:36<chealer>sep: I think I'll do, but I don't understand what you mean about steady hand
05:37<sep>just dont short circuit anything and youll be find. as i said. you need severe bad luck to break anything
05:39<padski>chealer, steady hand is about possible head crashes
05:39<padski>:-)
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05:39<Sweeney-Todd>Hi, I need advice from those who know better or who have done it before, I am running Debian testing and would like to set up my website with Joomla but I was advised to use a Distro called SME for that. Anyone has any opinion on the subject ?
05:41<chealer>padski: ah, I see :)
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05:45<eeeewe>hello!
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05:47<padski>Sweeney-Todd, seems SME used to be called e-smith. I recognise the name, but that is about all. apparently it is centos based. choice of distro is a complex matter, but the important thing to remember is that it is the people that make a community.
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05:49<Sweeney-Todd>padski: yes very true. i find my debian testing just perfect. all my network (clients and server) is based on debian testing and it is working perfect. But when I googled it, i found many people having a hard time setting up a webserver with joomla
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05:49<Sweeney-Todd>that scared a bit as I am not a pro in this at all.
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05:51<Sweeney-Todd>and they all advised to go for sme instead of debian
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05:55<clod>hello
05:56<clod>hy
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05:57<billy>hy
05:58<billy>usa?
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06:01<padski>Sweeney-Todd, the bach flower remedy for indecision is wild oats.
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06:02<Sweeney-Todd>:)
06:03<Sweeney-Todd>I am sticking with Debian for my website
06:03<padski>:-)
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06:17<Sweeney-Todd>i have got a strange thing happening. When I try to get to backports.org I have a php page (doku.php) that opens up and it is saved on my deskop.
06:18<Sweeney-Todd>I haven't got a clue on what is happening here
06:19<padski>Sweeney-Todd, the index page is http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
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06:20<padski>Sweeney-Todd, it renders okay here for me. if I save the html I get a file with the md5sum 31d5fa6350f500bdf670b92c17a0d501
06:21<Sweeney-Todd>why is it doing it? I have been using backports for a while and it never did this
06:21<padski>Sweeney-Todd, afaict it is not the backports.org server, but your client
06:22<Sweeney-Todd>yes I would say so padski but I havent change anything on my client
06:22<padski>Sweeney-Todd, what browser are you using ?
06:22<JustSoul>How it be possible: `top` sayd that 17500k swap used, but in colomn SWAP at least 24m - artsd? (And what is artsd?=)
06:22<padski>JustSoul, arts is kde and sound related
06:23<Sweeney-Todd>epiphany
06:23<padski>on etch ?
06:23<Sweeney-Todd>no testing
06:25<padski>Sweeney-Todd, could you try another one for comparison ?
06:26<Sweeney-Todd>i tried with iceweasel
06:26<Sweeney-Todd>same thing
06:26<Sweeney-Todd>I think it is linked to header_access
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06:26<Sweeney-Todd>in my squid
06:26<padski>Sweeney-Todd, uhuh ...
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06:26<Sweeney-Todd>though it never did that before
06:27<studio32>hi, how can I shutdown fluxbox without having to log out first?
06:27<studio32>shutdown the pc while in fluxbox
06:27<padski>studio32, 'shutodwn -h now' at the prompt
06:27<padski>shutdown
06:27<JustSoul>-immediat- restart X
06:28<JustSoul>ctrl+alt+backspace
06:28<studio32>padski, thanks
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06:31<Sweeney-Todd>padski: when i suppress the line "header_access" All deny all" in my squid.conf i get to the website allright
06:31<padski>Sweeney-Todd, that would be the smoking gun then
06:32<Sweeney-Todd>I never use to have that before though
06:32<Sweeney-Todd>that confuses the hell out of me :)
06:33<padski>Sweeney-Todd, recently upgraded ?
06:33<Sweeney-Todd>yes
06:33<Sweeney-Todd>I went from 2.6 stable 13 to 2.6 stable 18
06:34<Sweeney-Todd>I actually was using etch with 2.6 stable 13
06:34<Sweeney-Todd>so now I am using testing with 2.6 stable 18 but with the exact same config in squid.conf
06:35<padski>Sweeney-Todd, I am not fmailiar with these settings, but it appears that this should be a usable setting
06:35<guada>false
06:36<padski>guada, ?
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06:37<studio32>padski, and if I want to reboot?
06:37<padski>studio32, man shutdown
06:37<studio32>ok
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06:46<JustSoul>how to view only open ports
06:46<padski>JustSoul, perhaps netstat -l or nmap :-)
06:46<JustSoul>ou.. yes
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06:58<slx>Êòî-íèáóäü ãîâîðèò íà ðóññêîì çäåñü?
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06:59<slx>Çäðàâñòâóéòå! Ïîæàëóéñòà ïîìîãèòå óñòàíîâèòü äåáèàí ñ ôëåøêè, óæå âñþ äîêóìåíòàöèþ ïðî÷èòàë, íèêàê íå ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. Êîìï ñ ôëåõè ãðóçèòñÿ, ôëåõà íà 4 Ãá, åñëè óñòàíàâëèâàòü ÷åðåç zcat boot...gz > /dev/sdb, òî âðîäå êàê óñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ, õîòÿ îäèí ðàç ìàòåðèòüñÿ íà òî ÷òî íå íàéäåíû ìîäóëè ÿäðà. ïîñëå óñòàíîâêè âûëåòàåò grub error 18. ×åðåç syslinux âîîáùå Boot failed è âñ¸... :(
07:00<padski>!ru
07:00<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
07:00<slx>sorry
07:00<padski>no worries
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07:07<shamess>Using PuTTY (i realise that this isn't a putty channel, but I dunno if it's related to it or not), how come some files are coloured differently? I've seen white (default), blue and green highlighted so far.
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07:09<padski>shamess, perhaps man DIR_COLORS
07:09<shamess>oh, thanks :)
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07:13<takt>hi all
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07:14<takt>I've got a problem while configuring a new Kernel under Debian, I need a module for an ATI SATA Controller and don't know which module(s) I need, could anybody help me please?
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07:16<padski>takt, lspci
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07:17<takt>00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA
07:17<takt>is what it says
07:17<padski>takt, sorry lspci -n is much more useful
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07:18<takt>do you need all lines?
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07:18<JustSoul>woW
07:19<padski>takt, point being that I get excellent results figuring out what is the driver for what using that xxxx:xxxx number. I see lots of results for google linux SB600
07:21<padski>takt, looks like it is the ahci driver
07:21<takt>ahci for sata?
07:21<padski>takt, don't take my word for it :-)
07:21<takt>ah I see
07:21<takt>:P
07:22<padski>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface
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07:24<padski>but I cuold be wrong. looks like they used the name "sb600" for more than one thing.
07:24<takt>I'm trying to boot with that driver now
07:24<padski>that is where having the pci id comes into its own :-)
07:25<takt>doesn't look like the maschine is booting
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07:31<padski>takt, so what version is this kernel ?
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07:33<PxF>hi, what is on this dvds? i must download all of this isos?
07:33<PxF>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/amd64/iso-dvd/
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07:37*Aleric woke up... Home Directory Recovery... day 3.
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07:37*Aleric starts readings http://tenyear.net/books/FileSystemForensicAnalysis/ch14lev1sec4.html
07:37<JustSoul>Aleric: good morning
07:37<Aleric>s/good//
07:37<JustSoul>)
07:38<Aleric>I suppose the advantage for "the net" will be that I guess I'll write a HOWTO and tools to recover rm-ed files from an ext3 :p
07:38<JustSoul>(kde) If add some.desktop file to "/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus" it will appear in action menu of files. Is it possible to make sub menu?
07:38<Aleric>The only thing I found so far is "it can't be done"
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07:39<padski>PxF, there are CDs and and netinst images
07:39<poppen>anyone have a "quickfix" for this error when using aptitude/apt-get, E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
07:40<padski>poppen, stop the other process using it ?
07:40<poppen>how do i know which one is using it?
07:40<Aleric>poppen: 1) ps aux and see if anything is using it. If and only if nothing is: rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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07:41<Aleric>Maybe the lock contains the PID - that is easier to check then.
07:41<PxF>so only first dvd need to install debian?
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07:42<Aleric>PxF: No, you need all but the last.
07:42<Aleric>err
07:42<Aleric>wait
07:42<padski>Aleric, huh ?
07:42<PxF>all 15 GB?
07:42<Aleric>I was confused with Quake install... nm :/
07:42<padski>:-)
07:43<padski>PxF, the first CD is plenty
07:43<JustSoul>Aleric: you can make image of FS, and find in it content of files =)
07:43<Aleric>The first DVD should do to install it yes, I think (disclaimer)
07:44<padski>Aleric, files are mostly contiguous on ext2/ext3
07:44<Aleric>JustSoul: The problem is that every file now consists of blocks of 4096 characters that are scattered over 100 MB "block groups", and all data saying which block belongs to which file, or the order, is erased.
07:45<PxF>and there will be kde desktop?
07:45<padski>!contiguous
07:45<padski>!bot
07:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
07:45<Aleric>The only way you can find back files if when you have a file that looks like it (an old backup), or when you have unique strings for it and the file is small.
07:45<takt>padski: Version 2.6.24 Vanilla
07:46<padski>takt, ok, so its not too old then :-)
07:46<JustSoul>Aleric: you want to recover 1-2-3 files or more?
07:47<Aleric>thousands
07:47<Aleric>I manually recovered 5 files so far... to get my mail working again, and .ssh/config ... and some project files that weren't in svn :/
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07:48<JustSoul>Aleric: My condolences (or regret (?))
07:48<Aleric>Thank God I have the output of 'locate' after the rm
07:48<Aleric>So, at least I have all the file names :p
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07:49<Aleric>I think I'm going to write a tool that recovers as much as possible, given an old backup, by searching for blocks that "look like" blocks of the old file.
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07:50<pbn>what's again the trick to force /proc/partitions to reread the partition table ?
07:51<padski>pbn, I think fdisk will attempt that on exit after a write
07:52<pbn>padski: ah...
07:52<pbn>padski: I did cfdisk, not fdisl
07:52<pbn>fidsk*
07:52<pbn>fdisk*
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07:52<pbn>hm
07:52<pbn>let's reboot heh
07:53<poppen>is there any way to defrag an NTFS partition in debian environment?
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07:54<JustSoul>found.. http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html
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07:57<Sweeney-Todd>padski: in headeraccess content type needed to be allowed
07:57<latenal>hello, i want to set numlock when linux starts. Where shoud i put the script?
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07:57<Torsten_W>latenal: in x or console
07:58<latenal>Torsten_W, i meant something like rc.d
07:58<Sweeney-Todd>with the same config an this extra line "header_access Content_type allow all" everything is back to normal
07:58<jMCg>As kernel parameter in grub's menu.lst: init=/path/to/script would be the best place..
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08:00<JustSoul>Aleric: http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-recovery/
08:00<Torsten_W>latenal: for console there is /etc/console-tools/config ==> LEDS=+num
08:00<Torsten_W>latenal: no need an init-script
08:01<Torsten_W>for x i have installed numlockx
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08:02<latenal>Torsten_W, will it work with all ttys?
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08:04<latenal>Torsten_W, when i used asp linux, i added a script: for tty in /dev/tty[1-8] setleds ....
08:05<latenal>Torsten_W, and it also worked with x
08:06<Sweeney-Todd>anyone knows if there is a joomla package for testing. I have looked all over couldn't find one. May be someone has it somewhere ??
08:06<JustSoul>Aleric: How many times You read "Andreas Dilger" note? =)
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08:07<Aleric>About 15 times
08:07<padski>Sweeney-Todd, yep. that would do that.
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08:08<JustSoul>Alam_Debian: I find only "DiskInternals Linux Recovery" tool =(
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08:09<Sweeney-Todd>that was just strange that with the previous version of squid and on etch I never had that before. Interesting though :)
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08:09<Sweeney-Todd>padski: do you know if there is a joomla package I could use or should I compile my own?
08:09<padski>Sweeney-Todd, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326398
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08:11<latenal>Torsten_W, any ideas?
08:11<JustSoul>Alam_Debian: "EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard" at last.
08:11<JustSoul>ops
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08:11<padski>Sweeney-Todd, see also http://forum.joomla.org/index.php?topic=108887.msg576072
08:11<JustSoul>Aleric: "EASEUS Data Recovery Wizard" at last.
08:11<JustSoul>good weekend 4 everybody
08:12<Aleric>I found many commercial data recovery tools that through ext2 and ext3 on one heap. They all work flawlessly and cost 50 to 150 dollar. Right.
08:12<Aleric>I don't believe them.
08:12<Aleric>s/through/throw/
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08:14<JustSoul_away>Aleric: PS: I looking 4 free =)
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08:15<pbn>Hello, what are the packages I should install so that features of laptops are supported ? laptop-detect perhaps ?
08:16<padski>pbn, I think it depends on the laptop to some extent
08:16<padski>!laptop
08:16<dpkg>well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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08:19<brif8>Using XDM in place of gdm, Where and what is the file for the Graphical Login Prompt (The Box with the red Debian curl) And Is it possible to add Text to it esp. a scroll box and a check box ?
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08:21<padski>brif8, xdm is configurable. see the docs that come with it. iirc it is by using the X11 app defaults / registry type stuff (oh! what is that called)
08:21<stevem_>Lo, If I want a package in Sid when I'm on Etch but its not in backports - how should I go about it?
08:21<Sweeney-Todd>padski: that is what i was reading on the net. Joomal and Debian don't seem to get along fine. There are a lot of securities issues
08:21<padski>!simple sid backport
08:21<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
08:21<stevem_>manually drag each and every .deb file?!
08:22<stevem_>ah cool - thanks
08:22<padski>Sweeney-Todd, nothing on apt-get.org either :-(
08:22<Sweeney-Todd>nop
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08:23<Sweeney-Todd>feel a bit lost suddently :-(
08:23<hever_>How can I configure that the F12 key acts as DEL key ??? And that @ should not be as second key on L but on Q ?
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08:25<padski>Sweeney-Todd, my reading is that there is a lack of interest in maintaining it. quite a few have stepped up to the plate and one even got it packaged. neither the licensing problem nor the security update problem is not insurmountable, but it sounds like hard work. do they have rpms ? you could try alien ...
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08:26<padski>Sweeney-Todd, if this is your one app, you may be better off sticking with that community for support.
08:27<Sweeney-Todd>yes you right padski
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08:29<Sweeney-Todd>what would be the best CMS to use with Debian testing ??
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08:32<hever_>Or does someone know how I can use the normal mouse button as right click button? (At the moment I'm using mouseemu)
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08:32<padski>Sweeney-Todd, debtags search web::cms
08:32<padski>Sweeney-Todd, see also popcon
08:33<padski>hever_, do you have a mac by any chance ?
08:33<hever_>padski: I'm on a iBook G3...
08:34<padski>hever_, I have an iBook, but its at home. something with xmodmap I think.
08:35<hever_>padski: yes thanks... semms right. Should I config it via a config file (xorg config or something else) or must I call it myself at system startup ?
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08:35<padski>hever_, or pbbuttonsd ??
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08:37<hever_>padski: Yes I see there is a config for pbbutonsd. Is there also one for xmodmap? Does both affect the shell ?
08:38<hever_>padski: Or just xmodmap, because it just affects X ?!
08:38<hever_>padski: sry I meant or just pbbuttonsd
08:41<padski>hever_, see http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/ibook/ibook22.html or http://pierre.baudu.in/ibook/
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08:41<padski>hever_, it is well worth googling debian ibook to find tips to set these machines up
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08:42<vadmeste>Hi.
08:42<hever_>padski: ok thanks ill have a look. Sry I dont understand you well. You told me I've to look at google?
08:42<padski>hever_, looks like there may even be a way to do this: http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-tip/right+click-from-the-trackpad-323322.php
08:43<padski>hever_, google is my friend :-)
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08:44<vadmeste>There is a way to configure my system to connect to a proxy server just for one time ? (for avoiding to configure all my applications)
08:45<padski>vadmeste, web ?
08:45<vadmeste>padski : no, all things ..
08:45<vadmeste>padski : ssh, irc, web
08:46<vadmeste>padski, i don't like to configure firefox, after that chatx, synaptics.......
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08:47<padski>vadmeste, onion routing ?
08:47<vadmeste>?
08:48<padski>!tor
08:48<dpkg>well, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian
08:49<vadmeste>Ok, padski, maybe I didn't explain well..
08:49<vadmeste>Supppose that you have a LAN
08:49<vadmeste>You work on a computer that is not directly connected to the Internet
08:50<vadmeste>You use a HTTP Proxy, and you configure a proxy server on the gateway computer
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08:51<vadmeste>Now, if you'd like to connect to the web, you have to configure firefox to connect to the proxy
08:51<vadmeste>and you have to configure xchat, and synaptics ...
08:51<padski>vadmeste, NAT ?
08:51<vadmeste>ok, I have no internet connection now, so i can't google for NAT, can you explain me what's NAT ?
08:51<padski>or a tunnel ?
08:52<padski>!NAT
08:52<dpkg>Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages.
08:52<jstevens>'mornin, new install, added a second nic post initial setup, added to /etc/network/interfaces , on boot it doesn't come up, I have to login and manually ifup it... what stupid thing did I miss when adding eth1 ?
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08:52<padski>vadmeste, your presence on irc is very impressive given your lack of an internet connection
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08:53<padski>jstevens, auto eth1 (or whatever) in /etc/network/interfaces
08:53<logyati>hello
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08:53<vadmeste>padski, ok, not internet connection, but I can't connect just to the web
08:53<vadmeste>padski, sorry for my english
08:53<padski>vadmeste, anyways, explanation of NAT is above
08:53<logyati>i need some help... well, i want to make a .deb package from a .tar.gz source code... is there a tool to do that?
08:53<padski>vadmeste, no worries
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08:54<jstevens>padski: heh, I knew it was something stupid...
08:54<jstevens>padski: how does auto differ from allow-hotplug (wh/ is what is set for eth0)
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08:54<padski>!nmg
08:54<dpkg>[nmg] Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/
08:55<padski>jstevens, dunno. look it up
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08:55<jstevens>padski: already there, thanks.
08:55<padski>jstevens, tell :-)
08:55<logyati>?
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08:56<padski>logyati, see nmg factoid. alternative (for quick and nasty hack) is checkinstall
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08:58<logyati>ty
08:59<vadmeste>padski: my lack in english capabilities don't let me explain clearly
08:59<vadmeste>padski : now I try my best
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08:59<vadmeste>padski: look at this figure
08:59<padski>vadmeste, would you be more comfortable in another language ?
09:00<vadmeste>french ?
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09:00<padski>!fr
09:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
09:00<vadmeste>hihi
09:00<jstevens>padski: took me a couple of seconds to find it... Lines beginning with "allow-" are used to identify interfaces that should be brought up automatically by various subsytems. This may be done using a command such as "ifup --allow=hotplug eth0 eth1", which will only bring up eth0 or eth1 if it is listed in an "allow-hotplug" line. Note that "allow-auto" and "auto" are synonyms.
09:00<vadmeste>padski : thanks
09:00<lucas_amorim>Hello. I read that mencoder and dvdauthor can be used to create dvd iso's only if the original video can be played in mplayer. I have got an rmvb video that does not play in mplayer, but plays in totem and in realplayer10 for linux. The question is, how can i create a video dvd with this videos?
09:01<padski>jstevens, thanks
09:01<hever_>Ubuntu wont let me on a shell if im in gnome ?! (I think I misconfigures something...) ?
09:01<padski>!ubuntu
09:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
09:01<lucas_amorim>I am using debian lenny. As a graphical interface to mencoder and dvdauthor i am using DeVeDe
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09:16<vadmeste>!ar
09:16<dpkg>i guess ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
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09:22<logyati>padski, this documentation helped a lot
09:22<padski>logyati, it is good, yes.
09:22<logyati>padski, i just missed one part... the program i want to compile needs a "make samples" command after make install... how can i tell dpkg-buildpackage to run this too?
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09:23<padski>!mentors
09:23<dpkg>[mentors] the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
09:23<vadmeste>padski: with NAT, i'll have to configure the squid proxy or not ?
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09:24<padski>vadmeste, it is not becessary to have a squid proxy with NAT, but you can if you like.
09:24<logyati>padski, will i find my answer there?
09:24<logyati>im just an young padawan hehehe
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09:25<padski>logyati, how do you know unless you try ?
09:25<padski>!try
09:25<dpkg>Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.
09:25<padski>:-)
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09:32<logyati>padski, didnt find
09:33<vadmeste>logyati, retry
09:33<padski>logyati, there is noone on #debian-mentors ?
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09:34<padski>apache2ctl configtest doesn't catch a missing log directory. ouch :-)
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09:48<vadmeste>padski: in fact, I have no permission to access to the gateway pc, can I always use NAT to make transparent proxy
09:48<padski>vadmeste, tunnel
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09:49<jstevens>on a dual nic'd server, how do I tell dhcpd to only run on eth1 ?
09:49<vadmeste>padski, tunnel requires ssh and a password !! only the admin know the password
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09:49<padski>vadmeste, is there a list of proxies you know you want to access, and progs you want to configure ? write a script ??
09:50<vadmeste>padski, sorry if I derange you, thanks for all
09:50<padski>!interfaces
09:50<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
09:50<padski>vadmeste, no worries
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09:51<jstevens>padski: assuing your !interfaces was aimed at me, I'm talking about dhcpd .. the server ... not havin eth1 obtain a dhcp IP.
09:52<padski>jstevens, apologies.
09:52<padski>jstevens, man dhcpd.conf ;-)
09:53<jstevens>padski: NP, accepted, I've been here a lot over the years and know that there are some real stupid questions that come in here :-)
09:53<jstevens>padski: I didn't see anything in there about specifying interfaces, I tried that before bugging the channel
09:54<padski>jstevens, local-address
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10:04<DFluff>hey all - i have a problem with a USB<->RS232 lead. Until I rebooted yesterday it appeared at /dev/ttyUSB0. Now it doesn't - looks like it's being treated as a mouse adaptor: "input: MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor as /class/input/input9" "input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor] on usb-0000:00:1f.4-2.1". Can't work out why. Any thoughts?
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10:07<padski>DFluff, what release are you on ?
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10:08<marc_>hi people. any idea why i'd be getting a 'transmit timed out' error on a 8139 chip? running etch. have put an ancient card in this system at the moment to bypass the problem, and disabled the realtek in the bios.
10:08<DaCapn>Still having trouble keeping an X session running on a certain system, I get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/896285
10:08<DFluff>etch
10:08<marc_>m$ winblows picks the card up fine :-/
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10:11<mike_>Hmm.. I'd look at those errors if Xchat opened links when I clicked them...
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10:14<DaCapn>it's the thought that counts right?
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10:16<marc_>DaCapn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSEGV
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10:16<marc_>[i dont know if that helps you, but may help you at least understand the problem]
10:17<weld>hi.. i'm having a problem: i would like to start some gnome apps in kde in the english language. my default is german here.. so i can set kde apps to english, but how to set gnome apps to english while using kde?
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10:18<mihau>hello
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10:19<weld>.. i should mention i don't have installed gnome.. only some apps
10:20<marc_>weld: ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
10:20<mihau>ive just installed debian
10:20<marc_>I believe; don't quote me on it, that's the file you're looking for to alter the language, i'm unsure as i'm just learning how to use the desktop enviroment myself, how to click click and its done.
10:20<mihau>been using ubuntu so far
10:20<mihau>could anyone tell me if there's something like nvidia-settings?
10:21<mihau>i installed nvidia-glx
10:21<Enfi|ade>yes there is
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10:21<Enfi|ade>its called nvidia-settings too
10:21<Saskwach>I just upgraded to 2.6.24-1-686 (which is apparently what 2.6-k7 depends on now) and not only do I not get sound, but I can't even find the cs46xx module anymore.
10:21<mihau>088156056192:/home/mihau# nvidia-settings
10:21<mihau>bash: nvidia-settings: command not found
10:21<mihau>;f
10:21<Saskwach>Anyone know where it went?
10:22<Enfi|ade>mihau: sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
10:22<Saskwach>mihau: sudo aptitude install nvidia-settings
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10:22<mihau>k, thx
10:22<mihau>ok, it works
10:22<mihau>:P
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10:23<mihau>thanks for helpg2g
10:23<mihau>bb
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10:26<atlantide>
10:26<atlantide>I would like to assess the computing power or the speed of calculation of my computers on Debian can you advise me a utility
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10:28<hathe>atlantide: you want what?
10:29<Saskwach>atlantide: lmbench looks like it might do
10:29<mike_>Anyone familiar with RaLink RT2500 wireless drivers?
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10:33<Saskwach>atlantide: alternatively, you could just time something like ssh-keygen
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10:36<craig1709>If I want to use Debian Etch, nice and stable, but say, wanted to install Pidgin, which is only available in Sid, what is the general consensus on what to do? I don't want to upgrade to Sid, but I'm told if I try and mix stable and unstable I get to "keep the pieces"...
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10:39<padski>!bpo
10:39<dpkg>it has been said that backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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10:42<craig1709>Much appreciated - looks to be exactly what I want :)
10:42<craig1709>IRC is so awesome...
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10:43<padski>yup
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11:06<scott_>is there a program that will convert photo to dvd slideshow
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11:13<joyfulgirl>Hi folks...hopefully a quick question. So when I installed Debian (a while back), I did it from a chroot from a Knoppix livecd. I've just switched to mutt, however, and when it completes local addresses it's convinced that the hostname is `knoppix.' However, other processes, such as anacron, realize that the hostname is something else, though again the local mails getting sent to root are affixing @knoppix to the root address. Any ...
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11:13<joyfulgirl>... idea what's going on?
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11:15<lastcallRj>sup
11:15<padski>!hostname
11:15<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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11:16<joyfulgirl>padski: Aha, mailname did it!
11:16<joyfulgirl>Thank you
11:16<padski>you are welcome
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11:18<joyfulgirl>Also: Any ideas on why epiphany is convinced that I should have some `Local Sites' in my bookmarks which, to the best of my (and chkrootkit's) knowledge, don't exist?
11:19<joyfulgirl>And are gross?
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11:20<padski>joyfulgirl, http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/avahi-epiphany-2006-02-11-17-50
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11:23<joyfulgirl>padski: Okay...thanks. I'm still not sure why these items are bookmarked, because (a) they shouldn't be local sites and (b) I've never to my knowledge visited them (the title makes it sound like not my style)...maybe I'm just confused.
11:24<lastcallRj>hwy...
11:24<lastcallRj>how can i see a list of channels
11:24<lastcallRj>?
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11:25<lastcallRj>i'd like to know some RECONSTRUCTOR stuff
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11:26<padski>joyfulgirl, iiuc they are autoconfigured from your lan
11:27<padski>!zippy
11:27<dpkg>You can't hurt me!! I have an ASSUMABLE MORTGAGE!!
11:27<padski>lastcallRj, try /list
11:27<lastcallRj>right
11:29<DaCapn>is there a clever way to force upgrading a package even if it's already at the newest version?
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11:30<padski>DaCapn, apt-get install --reinstall
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11:30<joyfulgirl>padski: Sorry, what does "iiuc" mean? (I'm often bad with abbrev's.) I just don't know why `Asterisk VoiceBox' is showing up (it's never been installed), or why "MemoryPhall*sNumber7" is something I should be visiting, between not having one myself and not being particularly interested in anyone else's...and these things didn't show up before today...
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11:30<DaCapn>doh! thanks
11:30<joyfulgirl>padski: Sorry to keep insisting...it's just that I'm slightly worried that there may be something that shouldn't be there on my computer all of a sudden
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11:31<padski>joyfulgirl, apologies, its "if I understood correctly"
11:31<joyfulgirl>padski: Oh! Thank you
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11:45<ServerSide>If i do something wrong I hear an annoying system's bip..? Do anyone know how can I disable it?
11:46<padski>!bell
11:46<dpkg>hmm... bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc
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11:47<ServerSide>that's safer than modprobe -r pcspkr ?
11:47<ServerSide>i mean, maybe modprobe pcspkr isn't so safe
11:48<padski>ServerSide, no idea. I usually use a combination of setterm -blength 0 and settings in the terminal preferences myself
11:48<hathe>ServerSide: if you don't need your speaker reload module is no problem
11:48<ServerSide>okay, thanks a lot!
11:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 339] by debhelper
11:49*jMCg just blacklisted the module.
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11:55<chuy_max>can I access all usb devices through /dev, and how can I know which device file I have to use, I did lsusb -v, I identified my usb device, but it says nothing about a device file
11:56<jMCg>Uhhh... deja-vu...
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11:57<chuy_max>o_O ?
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11:58<jMCg>Nah.. it's just the lack of caffeine...
11:58<jMCg>I'm getting my fix right now, so I should be fine.
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11:59<jMCg>Anways.. what did dmesg tell you about it?
11:59<padski>chuy_max, dunno. does /dev/usb* help
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11:59<jMCg>If you plug in a usb-serial thing you'll get a /dev/SttyX
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12:00<shamess>The only way to transfer files from my machine to my debian server would be to install ftp, ne?
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12:01<jMCg>scp? rsync? Anything, but not ftp.
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12:01<chuy_max>ok ^^
12:01<jMCg>[I'm saying this, as the single most important resource for vsftpd information on freenode ;]
12:01<chuy_max>I'm trying those ports
12:01<jMCg>Don't use FTP.
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12:02<shamess>Oh, what's wrong with FTP?
12:02<padski>password in the clear
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12:08<scott_>is there a program that will convert photo to a dvd video with sound
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12:09<padski>scott_, perhaps dvdauthor
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12:10<sinoth>will the nvidia-kernel module not compile on amd64? or is there a way to force it 32bit?
12:10<lupine_85>should compile fine
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12:11<sinoth>its failing on the last step, which seems to be trying to convert it to 64bit
12:12<jMCg>shamess: the protocol sucks ass. Go read the RFCs..
12:12<sinoth>its trying to link from format elf32-i386 to elf64-x86-64 and bailing
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12:14<scott_>dvdauthor fails when it's converting
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12:21<mihau>hello
12:21<mihau>is here anyone from Poland?;p
12:21<padski>!pl
12:21<dpkg>i guess pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
12:21<mihau>thanks:P
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12:22<mihau>only 3 persons there, and everyone's idle ;f
12:24<jstevens>I have /etc/init.d/dhcp specified to eth1 ... any clue why it keeps trying to complain " No subnet declaration for eth0 "
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12:25<matth>you mean /etc/default/dhcp ?
12:26<matth>that's the file you want to change
12:26<jstevens>I meant init.d ... and you showed me the err of my ways.
12:26<jstevens>perfect
12:26<jstevens>thanks !
12:26<matth>yw
12:27<mihau>how can i reset xorg.conf settings to deafults?
12:27<mihau>ive lsot my backup ;f
12:27<mihau>i did something wrong and cant write polish letters ;/
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12:29<Saskwach>mihau, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
12:29<mihau>yea, i tried
12:30<mihau>but dunno hwo to set polish letter
12:30<mihau>LO
12:30<mihau>:P
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12:31<Saskwach>you mean displaying polish letters, or typing them?
12:31<mihau>typing
12:32<bran>thinking about switching our servers over from Slackware to debain amd64. the release i have running on a test box is 4.0/etch and it seems to be a bit buggy to me, am i using the right release?
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12:32<mihau>i did what youve written, before i came here, and pl letters have gone ;f
12:32<padski>!etch
12:32<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
12:32<Saskwach>try running $setxkbmap pl
12:32<Saskwach>in an xterm
12:33<mihau>omg
12:33<mihau>it words
12:33<mihau>thanks a lot ;)
12:33<Saskwach>huzzah!
12:33<Saskwach>no problem
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12:34<bran>we're not running sarge, i downloaded etch from the debian site.. should i be running sarge?
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12:35<padski>bran, no sorry for the confusion. it just seemed like an easy way to say "etch is the current release" and point you to relevant resources :-)
12:35<path>!dstats etch
12:35<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18599 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41493 MB installed size, 13602 MB compressed size.
12:35<path>!dstats sid
12:35<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22505 packages, 1914 maintainers, 57868 MB installed size, 20024 MB compressed size.
12:36<bran>is the idea to have a basic install and build off of that .. or can i download a release with packages i may need already in it and remove what i dont need?
12:37<mihau>ive got another problem :D
12:37<mihau>http://ols.vectranet.pl/~mihau/asd.png - when i was using ubuntu it was more 'advanced' i would say
12:37<mihau>i mean
12:38<mihau>it showed core temp, setting second monitor, etc
12:38<mihau>;p
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12:38<padski>bran, mostly the former, althoughht there is stuff like tasksel which installs big lists of stuff
12:38<padski>bran, and here is the factoid ... ;-)
12:38<padski>!installit
12:38<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
12:39<Saskwach>hey mihau, you might want to change the line in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file that says "XkbLayout" to "pl" to make that change permanent
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12:39<bran>gotcha, thanks.
12:39<mihau>its already set
12:39<Saskwach>oh good
12:40<mihau>could you also help me in my other problem?;p
12:40<mihau>im newbie to debian
12:40<mihau>:P
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12:41<Saskwach>lemme take a look at my ubuntu machine to see what it looks like there...
12:41<mihau>i think, that nvidia-glx wasnt installed properly
12:41<mihau>but there were no errors during instalation ;f
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13:02<valdyn>!nvidia drivers
13:02<dpkg>i guess nvidia drivers is ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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13:30<Alfonso>hola
13:30<Alfonso>alguien??
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13:32<azeem>!es
13:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:33<Alfonso>hi
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14:11<tv2>I have got a problem with Apache 2, .htaccess doesnt work,. http://rafb.net/p/hPYk0K91.html - this is my conf file
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14:12<Ouroboros>i have some files named like this: /lib/.nfs0189072800000001, anyone know what these are?
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14:13<dkr>for locking files someone is accessing via nfs perhaps
14:13<Ouroboros>i thought so too, but they have really old timestamps
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14:16<Ouroboros>they are executable and appear to be gcc-related
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14:30<gloria>hold
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14:31<gloria>ghgvgh
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14:32<plagoso>hola a todo el mundo
14:32<witte>!es
14:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:33<Fausto>hola soy fausto de la clase de informatica
14:33<ixa>hola aldi aqui me tienes haciendo practicas espero leas esto
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14:33<ramos_>hola
14:34<cheeseboy>!es
14:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:34<chapis>hola como estan ustedes
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14:34<concha>hola con todos
14:34<Fausto>hola vero quiero que me mires
14:35<chapis>hola mi amor como te fue
14:35<plagoso>estamos en clase de ordenadores
14:36<Fausto>hola Conchy cuidado que le aviso
14:36<cromo>estamos en clase de ordenador.
14:36<SharkMa-san>!es
14:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:37<Fausto>compañeros de clase poner más atencion
14:37<concha>fausto cuidado con las andadas
14:37<chapis>concha porque no dice nada
14:37<cromo>Cuchifritin, ESTO CADA VEZ SE COMPLICA MAS
14:37<plagoso>Alex, chatear es mí
14:38<plagoso>í
14:38<gloria>hola amiga como estas te saluda mary
14:38<plagoso>ó
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14:39<plagoso>Alex, chatear es más entretenido.
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14:39<Alejandro>Hola todos veis esto?
14:40<Alejandro>que cachondeo es esto
14:40<Alejandro>jej je
14:40<gloria>hola bero c omoteva te saluda mary
14:40<chapis>como estan amigos de informatica
14:40<Alejandro>escribir
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14:41<chapis>holaaaaaaaa
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14:41<cromo>hola cuchifritin. Nos queda menos de una semana. B ESOS.
14:42<concha>saludos para todos mis compañeros
14:42<plagoso>saludos a todos vamos a ver el próximo Viernes. Ja, ja, ja.
14:42<Alejandro>bueno que tal
14:42<Alejandro>os gusta chaterar?
14:42<chapis>hola maria porque no escribes
14:42<Alejandro>hay que escribir mas rapido
14:42<cromo>HOLA ALEX. ESTO CADA VEZ ME GUSTA MAS
14:43<plagoso>cromo, pórtate bien.
14:43<Alejandro>maria dice que chapis que no escribes
14:43<Alejandro>q dices
14:43<plagoso> aquí puedes mandar a alguien a tomar por culo.
14:43<gloria>conchita comoesta soy mari nos vemos luego
14:44<Alejandro>en este chat no se pueden decir insultos
14:44<Alejandro>es la unica regla
14:44<cromo>ALEX. ESTAMOS TRISTES PORQUE EL VIERNES NO PODEMOS VENIR.
14:44<dkr>porque nosotros hablamos español hoy?
14:44<chapis>alejandro porque no mandas los mensajes que dijistes
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14:44<Alejandro>no pasanada cronos
14:44<plagoso>no insulto a nadie es una sugerencia.
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14:45<concha>les deseo un bonito fin de semana a todos
14:45<Alejandro>pos vaya sugerencia
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14:45<Alejandro>que bonito
14:46<plagoso>no me digas que es algo anormal.
14:46<cromo>PARA PLAGOSO. PIENSA BIEN QUE TODAVIA ESTAS A TIEMPO. EL VIEJO.
14:46<chapis>no me contestas
14:46<Alejandro>vamos
14:47<Alejandro>desarrollar vuestra inteligencia
14:47<Fausto>disfruten de este fin de semana
14:47<ixa>desearia contaztar com personas y si alguien se encuentra cercano de aldi me gustaria que se comunicara con migo,chao .-se encuentra por paris apodado el niño
14:47<concha>ausentes les quiero mucho presentes les quiero más
14:48<gloria>hola chicos de informatica
14:48<chapis>maria que tal de novios
14:48<Alejandro>ixa hay que darle al enter
14:48<Alejandro>tu escribes algo y luego entre
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14:49<plagoso>que suerte que está en parís porque el n iño soy yo
14:50<carlos>que tal estais chicos
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14:50<chapis>alejandro tienes novia
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14:50<plagoso>cromo no te duele nada ?
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14:50<Fausto>MAS VALE VIEJO POR CONOCIDO QUE NUEVO POR CONOCER
14:50<red>doesn't anyone know about DNS Quarantining ???
14:51<gloria>muy vien voy a encontrar por internet ya veras verito
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14:51<cromo>Para cuchirritin. Estoy pensando en lo riquisimisima que debe estar la tortilla. Tengo hambre.
14:51<carlos>esto esta muy divertido
14:51<Fausto>TODO LO QUE BRILLA NO ES ORO
14:51<chapis> lo mismo te digo
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14:52<plagoso>FAUSTO mientras reluzca no hay problem
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14:52<chapis> mirta queeeee
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14:53<chapis> como esta usded hoy
14:53<gloria>tu no puedes porque te pega bero
14:53<cromo>Plagoso: que comemos hoy de postre, quiero probar la magdalena con un vaso de leche
14:53<Alejandro>bueno
14:53<Alejandro>que pasa
14:53-!-pancement [~pancement@mpl69-1-82-232-140-122.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
14:53<plagoso>¿ESTAMOS ACABANDO? QUE PENA
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14:53<ServerSide>!es
14:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:54<chapis> esto es para solteros
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14:54<ServerSide>please speak spanish only on debian spanish channel.
14:54<plagoso>¿elpróximo viernes nos acordaremos?
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14:54<ServerSide>motherfuckers!
14:54<ServerSide>:D
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14:54<Gathond>SeveredCross: just ignore them:)
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14:55<ServerSide>;)
14:55*Gathond pats his ignore list
14:55<carlos>y los casados que
14:55<concha>adios con todos
14:55<ServerSide>bui bui
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14:56<SharkMa-san>ah
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14:57<daimon1975>ciao a tutti e buona serata....
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15:00<joyfulgirl>Hi! Does anyone here know how to delete so-called "Local Sites" auto-created bookmarks in epiphany? I can't even view the properties to figure out where the "site" is located so I can manually delete it...
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15:09<cheeseboy>[Connecting to http.us.debian.org (204.152.191.39)] broke :(
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15:13<Mave|PaiN>Hello, im a newbie that need help... the thing is that im playing a game called True Combat Elite and i dont have sound on the game
15:13<Mave|PaiN>but a friend of myne told me that was something like this:
15:13<Mave|PaiN>echo "et.x86 0 0 Direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcmop/oss
15:13<Mave|PaiN>echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcmoc/oss
15:14<Mave|PaiN>Does any one can help me out ?
15:14<Mave|PaiN>it just needs a minor fix of the command :S
15:15<Mave|PaiN>and now that friend witch is a guru on debian is afk for 10 days....
15:15<Mave|PaiN>-.-''' please help
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15:19<Mave|PaiN>Any one here?
15:19<Nemoder>Mave|PaiN: what is the problem with it?
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15:20<Mave|PaiN>the problem is that when i start the game, the game comes with no sound
15:20<Nemoder>with the command i mean
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15:20<Mave|PaiN>well i do that command and it is still the same
15:21<Mave|PaiN>(no sound on the game)
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15:21<Nemoder>is snd_pcm_oss listed in lsmod?
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15:22<Mave|PaiN>hum... well i did that command or something like that, when my friend gave that command and the game was fine with sound
15:22<Mave|PaiN>but i didnt copyed the command good
15:22<Mave|PaiN>and im not sure about that snd_pcm_oss
15:22<Mave|PaiN>1 second i will be right back, just switch to the debian
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15:26<Mave|PaiN>Hey im back...
15:26<Mave|PaiN>;)
15:26<Mave|PaiN>Debian rules
15:27<Mave|PaiN>i dont understand how could i spend so many time on that crapy windows
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15:27<Mave|PaiN>but well its life we are always learning
15:27<Nemoder>Mave|PaiN: that fix he gave you should only really matter if you are trying to run those games at the same time as you have another app recording audio
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15:27<Nemoder>such as teamspeak or mumble
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15:28<Mave|PaiN>yes
15:28<Mave|PaiN>i use team speak
15:28<Nemoder>I would make sure the game works with audio by itself first
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15:28<Mave|PaiN>ohh... kk i will do that
15:28<Mave|PaiN>;)
15:28<nobby_lap>hi
15:28<Mave|PaiN>hey
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15:29<Mave|PaiN>Thanks for the help ^^
15:29<Mave|PaiN>brb
15:30<Mave|PaiN>yeah the sound works when im only on the game
15:30<Mave|PaiN>but not with team speak
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15:31<Nemoder>echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss; echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
15:31<Nemoder>should work
15:31<Mave|PaiN>;) great
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15:31<Mave|PaiN>Greetz
15:32<Nemoder>Mave|PaiN: you can replace et.x86 with whatever the name of the binary is, there maybe other apps that require that also
15:32<phoohb>Hello! I have installed Debian-testing on a AMD64 machine, and I can only find one kernel-image im dselect. Why is that (and why doesnt /dev/fb0 exist-frmebuffer, and why doesnt my media-card stream any video...??
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15:33<Mave|PaiN>^^ Ok, thank you Nemoder
15:33<phoohb>Is Ubunto anything to have?
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15:34<chealer>phoohb: how many should you find?
15:34<chealer>phoohb: Ubunto?
15:34<phoohb>chealer: linux-image-2.6.22-3-amd64 is the only one I can pick!
15:35<phoohb>I dont have any other kernel installed
15:35<Nemoder>if you installed the amd64 version of debian then that would make sense
15:36<phoohb>Nemoder: Yes its amd64. Why are there so few then?
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15:36<Gathond>why would you need more?
15:36<chealer>phoohb: and how many others do you expect to find?
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15:37<phoohb>Gathond: yoo nerow down arrors
15:37<phoohb>*errors
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15:39<phoohb>chealer: I need more (older kernel-images, to see if my framebuffer device "/dev/fd0.. works with other kernels. Also I have a media card, that can tune in good signlals, BUT the video-device-adaptor for it are strangly not working)
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15:41<phoohb>I go and pick one (http://snapshot.debian.net/archive is the place?
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15:43<chealer>phoohb: which one(s)?
15:43<chealer>phoohb: not really, unless you think it's a bug with testing's Linux.
15:43<Mave|PaiN>!cya all
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15:43<phoohb>chealer: Any one with working framebuffer. Do you get one?
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15:45<chealer>phoohb: I don't know. I have no /dev/fb0
15:45<phoohb>chealer: Why is that?
15:46<chealer>phoohb: I don't know. I know nothing about framebuggers.
15:46<phoohb>chealer: And I who thought it was default
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15:46<joyfulgirl>phoohb: In /boot/grub/menu.lst, could you find the first line not starting with "#" that starts with the word "kernel" and paste that here?
15:46<joyfulgirl>phoohb: It should just be one line.
15:47<phoohb>Also, I thought Alsa (sound system) was default, its not
15:48<phoohb>joyfulgirl: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-amd64 root=/dev/sda6 ro
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15:49<phoohb>joyfulgirl: are you a girl (for real), in this world???
15:49<phoohb>The line you asked for, is also default. Its a fresh installation I have made.
15:50<phoohb>HELLO? Why are there so few folks around here?
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15:52<craigevil>phoohb: because more ppl hang out in #debian on freenode
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15:53<phoohb> I c
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15:56<phoohb>A lot more, but also lame today. Of some weird resond. (something on TV or what??
15:56<joyfulgirl>phoohb: Yes. And try (after making a backup of menu.lst) adding a "stanza" (the blocks of lines all together) that's identical to the block containing that line, but with "vga=792" if your screen is at least 1024x768
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15:57<joyfulgirl>phoohb: That should activate the frambebuffer, I b'lieve.
15:57<phoohb>joyfulgirl: Im new with using "Grub", used to use "Lilo".
15:58<joyfulgirl>phoohb: And if it does, you can add that to the commented "defoptions" line to have it included when your kernel is upgraded
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15:59<phoohb>There is a line there (## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5) I uncommented that once. But of some resonds, it became commented automaticly. Why I dont know (maybe becouse I use splach, or maybe Grub saw that Framebuffer wasnt
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16:00<joyfulgirl>phoohb: It's supposed to be commented. update-grub reads those lines and feeds them into new kernel stanzas it writes for you, but grub itself isn't supposed to know about them.
16:00<phoohb>I can and up with a system that wount boot (I only have one kernel-image, as I said)
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16:01<joyfulgirl>phoohb: That's why you add a whole new stanza to your menu.lst rather than just adding "vga=792" to your kernel line.
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16:01<joyfulgirl>phoohb: That way, if it messes anything up, you just select the kernel but without that option activated.
16:01<phoohb>So I use "update-grub" after modifying menu.some or so
16:01<chump_>heya guys is there a way to enumerate a network just like a quick tool that will do this?
16:02<phoohb>joyfulgirl: okey, thx. Always one hint (of many trial-error to test
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16:03<joyfulgirl>phoohb: No problem.
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16:07<phoohb>joyfulgirl: nope, whatever I type into "menu.lst", and run "update-grub", it remains unchanged!
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16:09<phoohb>joyfulgirl: are you there??? menu.1st cant be changed by hand!
16:11<chealer>I received a new laptop 2 days ago with a SATA HDD, on which I first installed Windows Vista. yesterday I tried installing Debian using a daily lenny business card and by bad luck selected an outdated mirror which had grub 0.97-28 in testing, so I hit the recent e2fsprogs/grub bug, so grub failed to install and I abandoned the install.
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16:12<phoohb>outdated mirror? how come??
16:13<phoohb> grub --version
16:13<phoohb>grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
16:13<phoohb>Its the default on my system, also a fresh installation
16:13<chealer>phoohb: I don't know, something must have broken (ftp3.nrc.ca)
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16:14<chealer>then, Vista's boot would hang at the load of a HDD-related driver. and Debian Live wouldn't boot, looping on I/O errors.
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16:15<chealer>etch d-i doesn't detect HDD, and the same business card that almost succeeded to install lenny at first now doesn't detect the HDD neither.
16:15<phoohb>chealer: Are there any Debian Live distro? ( I have Ubunto as one though
16:16<chealer>phoohb: yes.
16:17<chealer>so I unplugged the HDD, succeeded to boot Debian Live from july 2007, hot plugged the HDD and ran a short SMART self-test, which failed (Completed: read failure).
16:17<phoohb>chealer: Did you mess with your BIOS also ( boot sequence )
16:17<chealer>phoohb: not really. I didn't touch the saved boot devices priority (if there is one)
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16:18<phoohb>Unplug a disk from a laptop (doesnt that also remove the warranty)?
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16:19<chealer>so, did I just get another bad luck that trying to install lenny happened to break my HDD, or is it possible that the failed install would have somewhat affected a core part of the HDD which could explain the Windows boot failure and the self-test failure?
16:19<joyfulgirl>phoohb: Yes it can, you just need to do it as root.
16:19<joyfulgirl>phoohb: And always back up first.
16:20<chealer>phoohb: no, I hot plugged it. I don't think it removes the warranty.
16:20<joyfulgirl>phoohb: Oh, you don't need to type update-grub after you edit it by hand...that's the point of editing it by hand :-)
16:21<phoohb>joyfulgirl: oh. (howabout make a lilo->grub guiding script, mis joyfulgirl
16:21<joyfulgirl>phoohb: I never used lilo, sorry :-/
16:22<phoohb>Do grub read the menu.1st file, at the first boot (of the computer)
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16:22<chealer>the HDD only worked about one day before it failed, but I had rebooted Windows about 10 times (obviously :S )
16:22<aaycumi>hi all
16:23<phoohb>chealer: test "fdisk -l" and use a tool as "parted" to rescue what remains of the disk
16:23<joyfulgirl>phoohb: It reads it at every boot; menu.lst tells grub where to find your kernels
16:24<chealer>phoohb: what should I test with fdisk -l? there's just Windows and a failed attempt to install Debian on the disk, nothing of value.
16:24<phoohb>joyfulgirl: okey, I take your words for it (.........
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16:25<aaycumi>ati:config --initial = "core dumped"
16:26<aaycumi>tried installing the xorg driver several times and get that everytime I try initial
16:27<phoohb>chealer: but use "Parted" anyway. Its as Partition Magic, for Windows
16:27<chealer>phoohb: what should I do with it?
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16:28<neekofab>aaycumi try radeon or vesa instead of ati
16:28<phoohb>chealer: doing it the hard way, partition by hand. Its the tool for it
16:28<aaycumi>neekofab: as the command?
16:28<chealer>phoohb: I don't want to partition, I just want to understand what happened.
16:29<phoohb>aaycumi: "fglrx" ?
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16:30<aaycumi>phoohb: only download the driver straight out of add/remove and then the initial command
16:30<phoohb>chealer: Do you wanto understand everything? /where will the parti magic be the?
16:30<phoohb>*then
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16:32<phoohb>aaycumi: is it the "fglrx-driver" .. etc thing (as I also use??
16:33<aaycumi>yes
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16:33<phoohb>Well I compiled mine, from a package called "fglrx-kernel-src"
16:34<phoohb>The default had limitations (no video overlay no opengl etc
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16:35<aaycumi>are you also running a Radeon?
16:36<phoohb>aaycumi: yes (builtin Radeon X1250 something, on my Asus mother-card
16:37<aaycumi>would only want the gfx card working for desktop effects
16:37<ixemul>Hello, looking for assistance with an odd, possibly IRQ-related, hard system crash, seemingly related to network traffic...
16:37<aaycumi>I'm running a X1600
16:38<phoohb>But I have problems of my own (no framebuffer, and streaming adapter device from media-card doesnt wor, have no clew of there to dig....
16:38<aaycumi>ah
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16:38<aaycumi>try I'll try and configure the driver normally then
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16:39<ravl>hello. i have a genius webcam, that worked well with the gspca kernel module, but i just updated and now it doesn't work
16:39<phoohb>aaycumi: is it the "aticonfig" command you are running to install it? what was that soo called normal thing???
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16:40<aaycumi>"ati:config --initial" is suppose to set the config file
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16:41<aaycumi>can't find any help on alternatives or fixing it though
16:41<phoohb>aaycumi: yeas and it do, look into your "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" and you see that it becomes modified (then you haveto restart X by hand, as to /etc/init.d/gdm restart or something there
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16:42<ravl>if i run module-assistant, it downgrades gspca and the cam works again. but when my machine automatically updates packages it breaks again
16:42<aaycumi>there isn't a config file in there after I run it and thats the problem
16:43<phoohb>aaycumi: Oh! (that sound as a seriuse flaw!!) How does you X come backup=?
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16:44<aaycumi>every "core aborted" error gives a backup and I've tried turning them into config file but they don't do anything when I try to continue the setup
16:45<aaycumi>config backup*
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16:46<chealer>phoohb: what? why would parti magic need be anywhere?
16:47<aaycumi> everytime I try and reboot after installing, ubuntu starts in low graphic mode
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16:48<aaycumi>any ideas?
16:48<craigevil>THIS IS NOT #ubuntu
16:49<aaycumi>and?
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16:49<phoohb>aaycumi: aticonfig is a guide-script, you dont need it. just replace "vesa" with "fglrx", and see what the log, says it..
16:49<ixemul>My network adaptor uses the uli526x module, after a bunch of network traffic, I get link up/down messages and a bunch of kernel messages like kernel: [<c0145a92>] __report_bad_irq+0x36/0x75, after which my machine becomes unresponsive.... any thoughts?
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16:50<ixemul>kernel is 2.6.22 with rt patches
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16:50<phoohb>chealer: Just some old names
16:51<chealer>phoohb: was that really for me?
16:51<Sweeney-Todd>Hi, just wanted to ask, I have installed the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website but how do I upgrade those drivers without uninstalling them ??
16:51<phoohb>Partition magic
16:51<chealer>Sweeney-Todd: ask #nvidia, we don't make these.
16:52<chealer>phoohb: partition magic what?
16:52<Sweeney-Todd>true, but I was asking from a debian point of view
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16:52<chealer>Sweeney-Todd: from a Debian POV, you don't use these.
16:52<miqu>Sweeney todd
16:52<witte>Sweeney-Todd: install the nvidia drivers the debian way
16:53<witte>!tell Sweeney-Todd about nvidia
16:53<phoohb>chealer: nothing, forget it, its an old Windows program, that I dont know exist today (Gnu parted does the thing, old thread now.
16:53<Sweeney-Todd>ok witte, thank you
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16:58<lars>"Debian which make up the “shoulders of greatness”" Thanx debs!
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17:12<wo0f_>hi
17:13<wo0f_>is there a restricted driver package for debian?
17:13<wo0f_>for my non-free wireless chipset
17:13<wo0f_>ie. somthing as easy as ubuntu's front end would be nice:)
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17:13<jer>hi
17:13<wo0f_>really REALLY dont want to manually use n-dis wrapper
17:14<jer>I try to install debian 4.0r2 on a new computer but i need your help
17:14<wo0f_>jer; just ask the question
17:15<jer>how to use raid from my asus m2a-vm (chip: 690g)
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17:15<wo0f_>haha
17:15<wo0f_>youll have problems my friend
17:15<jer>on bios it is set to raid and i configure
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17:16<jer>i see
17:16<wo0f_>it will be software based raid
17:16<phoohb>ha, I have almost the same card "m2a-vm hdmi"
17:16<wo0f_>so called 'fake-raid'
17:16<witte>wo0f_: which card?
17:16<jer>when i install i see two disk
17:16<wo0f_>witte, its a broadcom
17:16<jer>what is fake raid?
17:16<wo0f_>jer, google fake raid
17:17<wo0f_>thats what you have
17:17<jer>ok
17:17<wo0f_>no real raid
17:17<wo0f_>not*
17:17<wo0f_>or 'hardware raid'
17:18<jer>ok that why when i install on the first disk it work like no raid?
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17:18<wo0f_>yes, because you dont have 'raid'
17:18<wo0f_>you have a software implimentation of raid
17:18<wo0f_>ie
17:19<wo0f_>all the processing is done by the cpu
17:19<wo0f_>not a dedicated raid chip
17:19<wo0f_>you have 'fake-raid' or 'software-raid'
17:20<phoohb>jer: I dont have raid (but I have almost the same card as you), I suggest you read (and or test) Asus driver, they have packed it on CD with manual (for linux also I saw)
17:20<wo0f_>so if i were you, id give up trying to install to a raid array, because there are only drivers for afew real raid devices
17:21<jer>ok
17:21<jer>i will try
17:21<wo0f_>phoohb, he doesnt have a raid card!
17:21<phoohb>wo0f_: He do
17:21<jer>do i need to load asus driver during install?
17:22<wo0f_>phoohb, no he doesnt
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17:22<jer>don't fight
17:22<wo0f_>its built into the mb's northbridge chipset
17:22<wo0f_>its not dedicated
17:22<wo0f_>its fake raid
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17:23<phoohb>jer: I have never tested installing Raid myself (but this mother-card have ATI Raid controller onboard, the liux-driver firmware, and whatever it may be called, are on the CD that was shipped with the card
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17:23<wo0f_>i know this because i come into the exactly some prob using the m2r32-mvp
17:23<wo0f_>which is a variant of the same chipset
17:24<wo0f_>ok....
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17:24<phoohb>I have it here, I will insert the CD, and read......
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17:24<wo0f_>well if it works jer, let me know :D
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17:24<jer>ok
17:24-!-user is now known as Guest850
17:25<jer>i load the dvdrom
17:25<Guest850>i have just installed debian, and installed usplash - where do i find usplash themes and how do i install them?
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17:25<Guest850>also, how do you get the usplash picture to show at boot
17:25<phoohb>jer: "/cdrom/LinuxDrivers/RAID" (there is what you are looking for)
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17:26<wo0f_>wow
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17:28<jer>RHEL4 U1, U2, U3, U4 (WS): is it red hat?
17:28<wo0f_>yeh
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17:30<wo0f_>http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=M2A-VM
17:30<wo0f_>??
17:30<phoohb>jer: nope, I belive its the firmware, that also can be loadded in Windows enviroment
17:30<phoohb>(and then Bios will give the two disk a property of one
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17:32<jer>i don't understand? all the drivers or for windows?
17:32<phoohb>or floppy, who knows
17:32<wo0f_>its the same file?
17:32<wo0f_>is there a restricted drivers thingy like there is for ubuntu?
17:33<Guest850>does debian have a default usplash boot theme
17:33<phoohb>jer: Follow Asus guides, and complain to them, if it doesnt turn out straight
17:33<witte>wo0f_: there is non-free
17:33<witte>!tell wo0f_ about non-free
17:34<wo0f_>!tell wo0f_ about non-free sources
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17:36<wo0f_>witte, i see, so i just add contrib non-free to the end of each source line in sources.list ?
17:36<wo0f_>theres no separate repos?
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17:36<craigevil>not like ubuntu no
17:37<wo0f_>:D
17:37<wo0f_>i like it
17:37<wo0f_>much better idea
17:37<wo0f_>cheers craigevil, witte.
17:37<witte>wo0f_: yes, just add them
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17:37<Guest850>how do i tell what version of debian i am running?
17:37<wo0f_>ver
17:37<witte>!version
17:37<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version
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17:43<bjo>i'm new here, so i don't know it's on or off topic
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17:43<Tarcas>!ask
17:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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17:44<bjo>i just wondered how or why hard disk icons appear on the desktop when partitions are mounted on mount points other than /mnt /home /var
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17:45<bjo>i have looked into the gnome-vfs-... source code, and indeed there is a "blacklist" of mount points which shouldn't appear (actually debian extends it with /usr/local and /var/tmp)
17:46<bjo>but it is all hard coded and compiled in.
17:46<bjo>why not make this configurable?
17:46<witte>bjo: i think you should ask the maintainer this
17:47<witte>bjo: probably best by making a bug report (severity whishlist)
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17:49<bjo>ok, thanks, i will. it's actually in the gnome-vfs-hal-mount.c and within the orig tarball, there is const char *fhs23_toplevel_mount_points data structure
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17:49<bjo>with all the linux standard filesystem directories.
17:49<bjo>so, probably it is the upstream maintainer, but i could ask the debian maintainer first.
17:51<bjo>i have searched the web yesterday for this "problem" and many people actually want this, other that using gconf and disable disk icons on desktop for all disk (including usb/cdrom/dvd/...)
17:51<witte>bjo: maybe there is a good reason for it, but I would know none (though my knowing is no reference ;))
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17:52<asv>ebian testing and need config lamp
17:53<bjo>witte: probably you are right, maybe security, but cannot think of an example ... :-)
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17:56<bjo>dpkg: thanks for your reply, maybe I will send my question later to debian-user
17:56<dpkg>bjo: de nada
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17:57<pakalolo>i'm trying to compile quake2 from source, but getting many errors
17:57<pakalolo>i think i know what's the problem
17:58<pakalolo>how can i change gcc4 to gcc3 on debian etch?
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17:58<pakalolo>how to force compiling on gcc3?
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17:59<azeem>pakalolo: set the CC environment variable accordingly
17:59<pakalolo>azeem: ok
18:00<radz>Has anyone installed lInux version of AVG free and have had updating file creation problems?
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18:02<Dred_furst>Hey I am having a few issues installing debian onto my laptop
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18:03<Dred_furst>the debian installer isnt displaying properly, its been shifted half way across the screen and wrapped around a bit, making it impossible to read
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18:03<Dred_furst>this is happening with both the debian 4.0r2 and the testing debian installer
18:03<witte>Dred_furst: gui or text?
18:04<Dred_furst>Text, is there a way to get the GUI for netinstall?
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18:04<LightKnight>Hi there :-) Where can I find the package list for Lenny's first CD?
18:04<witte>Dred_furst: ah, i am not sure that it is possible
18:04<azeem>Dred_furst: what kind of notebook is this, an EEEPC?
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18:05<Dred_furst>Its not an eeepc, Its a laptop I got through a local supplier, it has a 15" widescreen LCD
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18:05<Dred_furst>in that case how many disks of debian do I need to grab to get a base install going?
18:05<amphi>Dred_furst: 'widescreen' is marketroid for 'short screen' ;)
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18:06<Dred_furst>amphi I know, it wasnt totally my choice
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18:06<amphi>Dred_furst: if you have a reasonable ethernet card in the thing, and a reasonable connection, you could just use the netinstall iso
18:07<Dred_furst>this is the netinstall ISO sorry
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18:07<Dred_furst>its currently got ubuntu on it and I want something a bit less resource hungry on it, and a build of my choice
18:07<azeem>Dred_furst: type "installgui" at the boot prompt
18:07<azeem>(I think)
18:07<Dred_furst>okay
18:07<azeem>!g-i
18:07<dpkg>from memory, g-i is the Debian graphical installer. Try it! Simply type the word installgui at the boot prompt.
18:08<Dred_furst>Give me a second
18:08<LightKnight>!lenny package list
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18:08<LightKnight>buh :)
18:08<witte>Dred_furst: and i think there are some options for setting your screen at boot promt (vga=...)
18:09<Dred_furst>okay the GUI works
18:09<Dred_furst>Thanks
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18:16<Dred_furst>Whoops wrong button
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18:27<Dred_furst>How big is a debian base install usually?
18:27<Dred_furst>from the web
18:27<weasel>depends on what you install.
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18:27<Dred_furst>well desktop, laptop and base system
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18:28<weasel>a couple gig tops
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18:28<weasel>I'd guess 2 to 4. my desktops at work have a lot of crap installed and are at about 5
18:28<Dred_furst>okay thats sick fast, as I am on JAnet research network here, I chose oxford.ac.uk as my mirror guessing they'd be on it too
18:28<azeem>I think etch gnome desktop is around 2GB
18:28<Dred_furst>got the whole lot in about 2.5mins
18:28<azeem>w31
18:29<azeem>bah.
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18:32<Dred_furst>its just rolling through preparing and installing now thanks for the help getting guiinstaller going
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18:36<Dred_furst>haha oh god I just heard the stupidest thing from a windows user
18:36<weasel>guiinstaller!?
18:36<weasel>why in the world would you want that
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18:36<lupine_85>it's very fashionable
18:36<Dred_furst>weasel because it was wrapping the text one badly
18:36<Dred_furst>and I typed the wrong command sorry
18:37<Dred_furst>installgui
18:37<Dred_furst>apparantly they "tweaked" vista into having 9 hour battery life
18:37-!-putkizone [gzt@tarha.hiutale.org] has joined #debian
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18:37<weasel>on a PC on mains power?
18:37<gzt->Hey
18:37<gzt->may i ask
18:37<gzt->sshd 28913 1.0 0.8 6292 2060 ? S 01:34 0:00 sshd: [net]
18:37<gzt->root 28910 2.0 0.7 6292 2044 ? Ss 01:34 0:00 sshd: [accepted]
18:37<gzt->what is this ?
18:38<weasel>dpkg -l openssh-server
18:38<dpkg>No packages found matching openssh-server
18:38<weasel>dpkg: shush
18:38<dpkg>Fine, I'll shut up.
18:38<gzt->never seen before those "[net]" and "[accepted]"
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18:40<Dred_furst>dpkg -l linux-headers*
18:40<dpkg>ii linux-headers* 2.7-15.2 dred_furst's private gamp collection
18:40<Dred_furst>hahaha
18:40<gzt->someone? plz
18:41<Dred_furst>Wasnt sure if that was a bot to begin with
18:41<Dred_furst>gzt- in all honesty I am not sure
18:41<weasel>I'll go back reading my book since gzt- doesn't want to answer questions
18:41<Dred_furst>where did you get that from
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18:46<Dred_furst>weasel looks like problem solved
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18:47<ian>added ubuntu as my os on dell inspiron 1720but cannot get the sound to work?I am newb
18:48<azeem>ian: please ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
18:48<witte>ian: this is not an ubuntu channel
18:48<ian>thanks
18:48<Dred_furst>Guesses are that its a HDA intel
18:49-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
18:49<Dred_furst>look on the ubuntu wiki for HDA intel
18:49<Dred_furst>theres tons of guides
18:49<ian>I will,thks
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18:58<Dred_furst>Urgh I am having some issues getting this damn thing to boot now
18:59<Dred_furst>Xorg isnt starting properly,
18:59<Dred_furst>so it hits terminal, which is ofc 640x480 so it doesnt work
18:59<Dred_furst>and I get garbled screen
18:59<lupine_85>most terminals aren't 640x480
18:59<lupine_85>did you set it up to be like that with vga= ?
19:00<Dred_furst>its native resolution is 1280x1024 for the LCD
19:00<lars>Dred_furst: tried with generic vesa drivers?
19:00<Dred_furst>lars I would if I could use the command line
19:00<Dred_furst>by that I mean its garbled
19:00<lupine_85>try adding vga=795 to the kernel boot line
19:00<Dred_furst>ok
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19:01<lupine_85>that should turn your 40/80x24 terminal screen into a 1280x1024x24bpp display
19:01<Dred_furst>okaay
19:01<Dred_furst>any way to do 1280x800?
19:01<lars>lupine_85: nice math thanx :)
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19:03<Dred_furst>its strange the X config SHOULD work
19:03<Dred_furst>GDM tries to start, I can see that
19:03<Dred_furst>then it goes away
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19:04<Dred_furst>did a ps aux for it and its still running but I cant see it
19:04-!-Guest862 [~styx@chello084113243057.3.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #debian
19:04<Guest862>hi, any idea how i can find manty at debian.org online?
19:05<lupine_85>Dred_furst: check out the Xorg log
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19:06<Dred_furst>good idea
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19:08<Dred_furst>EE: AIGLX: screen 0 is not DRI
19:09-!-mode/#debian [+l 320] by debhelper
19:09<Dred_furst>thats the only error I see
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19:10<BoBoBoSs>hy how instal my videocard nvidia on my linux debian ?
19:11<jagerman>!nvidia
19:11<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
19:11<Dred_furst>I have a via chrome9 HC IGP card lupine_85 :(
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19:13<Dred_furst>also running a startx worked
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19:37<Dred_furst>anyone got some help?
19:37<Christmas>i have a problem with konqueror on debian lenny
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19:38<Christmas>it seems unable to enable cookies; the error is "Unable to start the cookie handler device"
19:38<Christmas>i can't use other browsers since opera, iceweasel, iceape and epiphany crash every 5 minutes
19:39<jagerman>Sounds like you have some hardware problems
19:39<Christmas>no, i'm sure it's not hardware related
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19:45<Mave|PaiN>Hello all
19:45<Mave|PaiN>i cant play a game, and use team speak at the same time, i did echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss;
19:45<Mave|PaiN>echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
19:45<Mave|PaiN>but still dont work :/
19:45-!-SeveredCross [~Steve@dhcp-129-64-131-11.dorm.brandeis.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
19:45<Mave|PaiN>and the problem is that i use debian for 2-3 days
19:46<Mave|PaiN>well im not that pro ;)
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19:46<Mave|PaiN>Can some one help me out ?
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19:49<blarson>Mave|PaiN: how much memory/swap space do you have?
19:50-!-eldowan [~grant@65.203.97.98] has joined #debian
19:50<Mave|PaiN>well im using a old 8 gigs hard disk
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19:50<Mave|PaiN>and i installed on it
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19:50<Mave|PaiN>how can i know that ?
19:50<Mave|PaiN>:S
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19:51<Mave|PaiN>omg sry so lame i feel sad for myself
19:51<Mave|PaiN>-.-''
19:51<blarson>Mave|PaiN: sorry, was reading two problems and got them mixed.
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19:51<Dred_furst>XDM works
19:51<Mave|PaiN>No worrys
19:51<Mave|PaiN>;)
19:51<blarson>Christmas: how much memory/swap space do you have?
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19:52<blarson>Christmas: could be a problem with the oom killer
19:52<eldowan>I've a laptop with an ipw2200 wlan card. The system sees the card, but the killswitch is on. I'm having no luck trying to flip the killswitch, and thus can't use wireless. Can someone possibly lend a hand and help me figure this thing out? HP nc8230
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19:53<adi>eldowan: try to enable it in the bios
19:54<eldowan>adi. its enabled.
19:55<adi>eldowan: then I don't know, just had to do this once
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19:56<blarson>eldowan: my thinkpad z61m has a physical kill switch
19:56<eldowan>blarson: I've got a button w/ a led, but that does nothing.
19:56<witte>eldowan: what is there in /sys/bus/pci/driver/ipw2200/.../
19:57<witte>eldowan: there could be a file rf_kill (with the ... your bus number)
19:57<eldowan>witte: set to 2, indication of wireless eing off
19:58<witte>eldowan: try "echo 0 > /sys/bus/pci/driver/ipw2200/.../rf_kill"
19:58<eldowan>If I set it to 0, it stays 2
19:58<eldowan>worked with that this morning.
19:58<witte>eldowan: ah
19:59<Christmas>blarson: 1gb ram; around 2 giga swap
19:59<Christmas>it's not hardware related, i'm sure about this one
19:59<Christmas>i think the last updates crash it someway
19:59<Christmas>crashed*
19:59<Dred_furst>witte I am having issues getting KDM workin g
20:00<Dred_furst>it tries to load, but just exits
20:00<Christmas>kde is so god damn stable in lenny
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20:00<Christmas>but this problem is irritating since i can't visit sites which need to place cookies on your pc
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20:01<witte>eldowan: did you try this: http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/
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20:01<witte>Dred_furst: no errors in /var/log?
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20:01<witte>Dred_furst: and for every user or only for your user
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20:02<witte>Dred_furst: errors in ~/.xsession-errors ?
20:02<witte>Dred_furst: btw, i have
20:02<eldowan>witte: rfswitch is for "laptops which do not use a hardware based wireless radio switch" and everything I've read says that the ipw2200 is a hardware switch, so no. I guess there might not be any harm in trying it out...
20:02<panagos>if i subscribe to a bug which has been merged with another one, do i get news updates from both?
20:02<witte>oops, i have heard some more people with *dm problems
20:04<witte>eldowan: my laptop has a pcmcia wireless card, so i really have no experience with those switches, but was just looking at the ipw project page and noticed it. I did not even fully read that disclaimer you posted :$
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20:04<eldowan>witte: :D no worries
20:04<Dred_furst>Right
20:04<Dred_furst>no errors no witte
20:04<Dred_furst>X can start, I know that
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20:05<witte>Dred_furst: are you running unstable?
20:05<Dred_furst>Yes
20:05<witte>Dred_furst: i have the same thing at my other pc, but i thought it was my "playing what caused that
20:05<Dred_furst>Hmm
20:05<witte>Dred_furst: I can not access that pc at the moment (and i use wdm, not kdm)
20:06<Dred_furst>Ooh does wdm work?
20:06<witte>Dred_furst: well, no, it also crashed at login
20:07<SharkMa-san>unstable doesn't work on my laptop, so I run the latest kubuntu
20:07<witte>Dred_furst: but if startx works, and kdm not, you just need to find out what kdm really issues at login
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20:07<Dred_furst>right
20:07<SharkMa-san>the reason I'm here is because #ubuntu is gay
20:07<SharkMa-san>lol
20:07<Dred_furst>haha
20:09<Dred_furst>WDM works
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20:10<witte>Dred_furst: it does, nice, I will have to try again when am back, I had to leave quite in a hurry, did not have time to debug that pc when i left
20:10<witte>Dred_furst: if you want to resolve the kdm thing, you could try to strace it
20:10<Dred_furst>okay
20:10<Dred_furst>although it wont log into KDE
20:12<Dred_furst>is KDE on unstable 3.5 or 4?
20:13<alaya>Dred_furst: check packages.debian.org to see
20:13<witte>Dred_furst: 3.5
20:13<Dred_furst>weird
20:13<witte>!kde4
20:13<dpkg>i heard kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
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20:14<SharkMa-san>kde4 sucks at the moment
20:15<Dred_furst>urgh fluxbox wont start eithe
20:16<sco50000>hmm, in the terminal, i have a file with an accented A in it, but it shouws up as a ? mark. also, i can't type in the name, so i can't remove it
20:17<panagos>sco50000: try with glob patterns ;)
20:17<witte>sco50000: tab completion?
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20:19<panagos>sco50000: or pipe ls's output to hd, then reconstruct the name with echo -e
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20:19<sco50000>well, it's a bunch of songs, all starting with "Megadeth - " and this particular song is "Megadeth - ?..." so i can't tab complete to get the uknown letter
20:19<sco50000>globs will probably work though
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20:19<witte>sco50000: why would you want to delete megadeth :P
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20:20<sco50000>witte: i had two copies of the same song :P
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20:21<SharkMa-san>at least they sing in english
20:21<sco50000>SharkMa-san: what is that supposed to mean?
20:21<SharkMa-san>I have many songs in japanese, and the tags are crap
20:21<sco50000>oh
20:22<sco50000>SharkMa-san: the chorus of the Megadeth song i was trying to delete is in french :P
20:22<sco50000>well, part of it
20:23<SharkMa-san>heh
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20:24<Christmas>restarting the x server fixed the cookies problem
20:24<Christmas>don't know what was it though
20:25<SharkMa-san>it seems you're not using irssi :P
20:25<Christmas>who me
20:25<Dred_furst>okay witte
20:25<Dred_furst>I am in the .xsession-errors file
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20:25<Dred_furst>two errors that I can see
20:26<Dred_furst>. /usr/bin/startkde Line 305: 3180 Seg fault kwin --lock
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20:27<SharkMa-san>Christmas: I user irssi and it's running on my home server. And it will be on all the time, so I'll be on IRC all the time :P
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20:27<Christmas>good to you, same here :)
20:27<Christmas>but xchat
20:28<SharkMa-san>irssi is better ;)
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20:28<SharkMa-san>if asking me
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20:30<panagos>if i subscribe to a bug which has been merged with another one, do i get news updates from both?
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20:31<dondelelcaro>panagos: until they're unmerged, yes.
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20:32<panagos>i see
20:32<witte>Dred_furst: mmm, interesting
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20:35<witte>Dred_furst: that is when starting kde from kdm?
20:35<Dred_furst>No
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20:36<Dred_furst>KDE from wm
20:36<Dred_furst>wm login thing
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20:36<witte>wdm
20:36<Dred_furst>yes
20:36<Dred_furst>I think I shall reinstall with 4.0r2 stab;e for now
20:36<witte>do you succeed in login in?
20:36<Dred_furst>then upgrade tommorow
20:36<witte>Dred_furst: in kde?
20:36<Dred_furst>No
20:37<witte>Dred_furst: but also not in other wm?
20:37<Dred_furst>gnome will load
20:37<Dred_furst>as long as GDM isnt working
20:37<Dred_furst>but fluxbox or ANYTHING else doesnt
20:38<witte>Dred_furst: something seems really wrong
20:38<Dred_furst>yes
20:38<Dred_furst>I think the packages are fubar'd
20:39<witte>Dred_furst: but as i told before, I experienced something similar (although I had not time to debug) and other persons have reported something alike as well
20:39<Dred_furst>yes
20:39<witte>Dred_furst: but *dm work on my unstable laptop, so I have no idea where the real bug is
20:39<Dred_furst>Right
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20:46<Dred_furst>thank god for this university's internet connection
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20:50<Mave|PaiN>Hey guys, i need some help... i cant play true combat elite and talk on team speak, cause the tce dont have sound if i use the ts too
20:50<Mave|PaiN>and echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss;
20:50<Mave|PaiN>echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
20:50<Mave|PaiN>dont work :/
20:51<Mave|PaiN>:S
20:51<Dred_furst>are you using KDE or gnome?>
20:52<Dred_furst>and make sure OSS has your soundcard to full duplex
20:52<panagos>how can i see which processes swap in/out the most? and can i see this in real time? (something like /usr/bin/top e.g.)
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20:53<Mave|PaiN>gnome
20:53<Mave|PaiN>i think
20:53<eldowan>panagos: htop?
20:53<Mave|PaiN>humm.. k i will check that
20:53<Mave|PaiN>Thanks
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20:54<panagos>eldowan: i'll give it a try :)
20:54<Mave|PaiN>btw is there any command to refresh the memory, cause my pc is all zzZ wierd...
20:55<eldowan>panagos: hope it works for you. If thats not what you're looking for, ask again with more detail please
20:55<panagos>when a window is out of view, can its contents swap out?
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20:56<Guest877>!ppc
20:56<dpkg>it has been said that ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
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21:00<Guest877>I am trying to get the kdmtheme manager to work in etch has any other ppc user got it working or using it?
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21:06<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if any one know of an application for enumerating all systems on a given network ?
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21:10<dg1>I'm encountering the "./debian/tmp/usr/lib/perl5: no such file or directory" issue when trying to build subversion debs via dpkg-buildpackage, any clue?
21:12<Guest877> I have also run into a problem with KRANR (resize and rotate), it won;t use the 1024 x 768 screen resolution, it selects it but it doesnt change
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21:14<brunokrebs>hi, Im trying to compile madwifi but it gives me this error: Makefile.inc:91: *** KERNELCONF: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build/.config does not exist.. Stop.
21:15<brunokrebs>I already installed the linux-headers and I tried to do "make path=Makefile.inc:91: *** KERNELCONF: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build/.config does not exist.. Stop.
21:15<brunokrebs>ops
21:15<brunokrebs>I tried make path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5/
21:15<brunokrebs>but gives me the same error
21:15<brunokrebs>what it could be?
21:16<eldowan>brunokrebs: you probably need the headers for your kernel.
21:16<brunokrebs>hmmm
21:16<Guest877>Does anyone know if a debian 4.0 theme was released for kde and if so where i can find it (wallpaper, KDM login, bootsplash). Cheers
21:16<brunokrebs>and what does this means eldowan?
21:16<eldowan>aptitude search linux-headers-`uname -r`
21:16<eldowan>brunokrebs: ^
21:17<brunokrebs>uname -r gives me my kernel version?
21:17<brunokrebs>yes
21:17<eldowan>brunokrebs: uname -r will tell you what kernel you are running. (pretend 2.6.18-3)
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21:17<eldowan>brunokrebs: so it would be search linux-headers-2.6.18-3
21:18<eldowan>brunokrebs: when you find a linux-headers package that matches your running kernel, run that, and hopefully you will have more luck with madwifi
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21:18<brunokrebs>ok thx
21:19<brunokrebs>already installing headers
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21:22<brunokrebs>eldowan, hey thx man it is working
21:22<eldowan>no probs. :D
21:23<brunokrebs>well actually now there are other errors but I think it is a good sign
21:24<eldowan>brunokrebs: good. now you have your kernel headers for other programs that may need them in the future. Note that if you upgrade your kernel in the future, you'll have to get the headers for madwifi to work then too.
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21:24<brunokrebs>ok I see
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21:30<brunokrebs>sorry one really newbie question, how do I run a command on second plan, so I can still use the bash?
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21:30<brunokrebs>like Im installing a big package, and I want to do other stuff while is downloading the package
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21:35<eldowan>brunokrebs: are you using text mode?
21:35<eldowan>like a dos interface?
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21:42<brunokrebs>ops sorry I was aaway eldowan
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21:42<brunokrebs>yes using command line only
21:43<eldowan>no worries. are you using text mode, or are you in a desktop?
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21:43<brunokrebs>I tought it would be a good way to learn linux
21:43<Dred_furst>How would I go about upgrading from debian stable to unstable?
21:43<brunokrebs>text mode
21:43<eldowan>brunokrebs: OK, when you're using the shell to do something, use <alt>+F2 or F3
21:43<eldowan>Dred_furst: do you want to deal with the headaches that come with unstable? really, really deal with those?
21:43<Dred_furst>okay using testing then
21:44<eldowan>brunokrebs: the first console you are at is F1. They are called Virtual Terminals, or VTs IIRC
21:44<eldowan>Dred_furst: /msg dpkg etch-> lenny
21:44<brunokrebs>does it work in ssh?
21:44<eldowan>cd
21:44<brunokrebs>nothing happened on ssh
21:44<Dred_furst>uh eldowan what? isnt that an IRC command
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21:45<eldowan>Dred_furst: yes, it will give you some more information on how to do it.
21:45<eldowan>brunokrebs: Aah, you're using ssh?
21:45<eldowan>If so, you can try using another ssh window, or trying screen
21:45<brunokrebs>in this very moment yes, because Im using my laptop
21:46<Dred_furst>dpkg etch -> lenny
21:46<brunokrebs>but the computer is a few meters from me, so I can use there as well
21:46<Dred_furst>I think dpkg is dead
21:46<eldowan>Dred_furst: add /msg before it
21:46<eldowan>!tell Dred_furst about etch->lenny
21:46<Dred_furst>I'm not getting any response
21:46<Dred_furst>oh
21:46<Dred_furst>there he is
21:46<eldowan>Dred_furst: no spaces
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21:47<eldowan>brunokrebs: screen is a program that can come in VERY VERY useful. look it up
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21:48<brunokrebs>ok, but no through ssh right? because here in my laptop nothing happened
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21:48<eldowan>brunokrebs: I'm not following. Please restate.
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21:49<brunokrebs>now I didnt get, you told me about alt+f2 or f3, this is the screen program right?
21:50<eldowan>brunokrebs: sorry. I'm jumping around. the alt+ is for sitting at the laptop directly.
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21:50<brunokrebs>and I asked if does it works on ssh connection, because I pressed that and nothing happened
21:50<eldowan>screen is a program that will let you run from within bash
21:50<brunokrebs>hmm
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21:52<Dred_furst>Ah there we go
21:52<eldowan>brunokrebs: is that any more clear?
21:53<brunokrebs>not really hehehehe, sorry, but dont worry when I sit in front of my pc that have debian installed I try what you said, about alt+f2 and stuff
21:54<eldowan>brunokrebs: don't worry about the alt+ stuff.
21:54<eldowan>not now anyway.
21:54<brunokrebs>now what I really would like to know, eldowan, is how do I run a command on second plan, because when I do apt-get install, it have to download the package
21:55<brunokrebs>and it keeps showing the progress instead of leaving the command line free for me
21:55<eldowan>brunokrebs: I believe screen can help you in this. But you may also try running a second ssh window
21:55<brunokrebs>I read in a book "apt-get install blablabla &"
21:55<brunokrebs>ahhhhhh
21:55<brunokrebs>thats what you were saying
21:56<brunokrebs>now I got it
21:56<brunokrebs>thx
21:56<eldowan>brunokrebs: no probs
21:57<brunokrebs>oh yes baby, I finally manage to compile madwifi
21:57<brunokrebs>or at least the "make" command
21:57<abrotman>!madwifi install
21:57<dpkg>i guess madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
21:57<eldowan>brunokrebs: wonderful. all the best to you and your madwifi
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21:58<eldowan>brunokrebs: use the above. No make needed, easy install, debian seal of approval. :D
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21:58<brunokrebs>I see
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22:01<Guest877>Does anyone know if a debian 4.0 theme was released for kde and if so where i can find it (wallpaper, KDM login, bootsplash). Cheers
22:01<brunokrebs>I see "make"??
22:01<brunokrebs>ops
22:01<brunokrebs>hey what do I do after "make" ???
22:02<brunokrebs>make install?
22:02<SeveredCross>Er, didn't you pay attention to what the man said above?
22:02<Dred_furst>yes
22:02<eldowan>brunokrebs: use the madwifi-install factoid above. not make
22:02<SeveredCross>Ignore that stuff and follow dpkg's instructions.
22:02<brunokrebs>SeveredCross sorry still keeping the hard way to learn
22:03<brunokrebs>Dred_furst thx
22:03<eldowan>brunokrebs: do you have contrib and non-free sources available to aptitude? to check cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep contrib
22:03<Dred_furst>if your not root, sudo make install
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22:04<brunokrebs>eldowan, I think I do: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
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22:05<eldowan>brunokrebs: If you are intent on useing the make path, discard that requirement.
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22:05<brunokrebs>eldowan oh ok, but I think they are important anyway for further upgrades
22:05<brunokrebs>Dred_furst, and after make install?? "{
22:06<vook>I have a script that executes 'ifconfig', among others. It has been working fine for over a year. Recently, the script no longer successfully executes only that command (even with full path). ifconfig still works fine if executed directly from the command line. Any ideas? I'm in lenny/sid
22:06<eldowan>vook: and you're using /sbin/ifconfig as the path?
22:06<Dred_furst>brunokrebs you are done
22:06<vook>eldowan: yep
22:07<brunokrebs>Dred_furst, oh ok thx, I will try to load the modules now
22:07<vook>I added -v to the ifconfig command, and it says 'ifconfig executed with errors (-1)
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22:07<vook>runs fine directly from the shell
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22:08<eldowan>vook: have you tried it as a variable? IFC=/sbin/ifconfig ?
22:08<eldowan>vook: aah, errors. sorry I can't help with that. No idea there.
22:09<vook>I'm just running 'ifconfig eth1 up'. It's weird, immediately after the script completes, if I execute that same command it works.
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22:11<eldowan>vook: hmm. and you've tried it in a new script thats sole purpose is ifconfig eth1 up?
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22:12<vook>not yet. Something changed with a recent kernel upgrade - and now it is taking about 5 seconds for the interface to come up. 'ifconfig' alone executes fine in a seperate script
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22:12<eldowan>hrm. what kernel?
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22:13<vook>2.6.22-3-k7
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22:14<vook>no big deal, it's just annoying.
22:14<eldowan>vook: I'm on 22-1-k7 How can I help?
22:15<eldowan>vook: alright then
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22:15<vook>I just moved up to sid for some reason - this is probably just the first of the little quirks I'll encounter.
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22:16<brunokrebs>well ppl it is late, thx for the help
22:16<brunokrebs>good night
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22:17<eldowan>see you.
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22:17<eldowan>vook: mixed system? lenny/sid?
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22:17<Guest877>Hi I had a problem after an install of kde, synaptic showed some configure errors and when i ran apt-get -f install I get Setting up hal (0.5.10-5) ... * Reloading system message bus config... Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed. * Starting Hardware abstraction
22:17<Guest877>layer hald ---- but it never starts
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22:19<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:26<SeveredCross>Guest877: Hit Ctrl-C to make dpkg stop, then do /etc/init.d/dbus start
22:26<SeveredCross>The resume with apt-get -f install
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22:26<SeveredCross>APT is a little broken with those packages--it stops DBus then doesn't restart it but tries a force-reload.
22:26<SeveredCross>Which obviously fails.
22:26<SeveredCross>And HAL can't start without DBus so HAL locks up.
22:26<lontra>SeveredCross: run apt-get install hal first then upgrade dbus after
22:27<SeveredCross>Uh.
22:27<SeveredCross>What?
22:27<SeveredCross>That makes 0 sense.
22:27<Guest877>SeveredCross: thanks your awesome, alls well now
22:27<SeveredCross>lontra, think about what you're saying.
22:27<SeveredCross>Installing HAL would try to start HAL.
22:27<lontra>SeveredCross: it worked fine here doing that way
22:27<Guest877>SeveredCross: Rebbot I'll be back
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22:27<SeveredCross>That makes no sense to me.
22:27<lontra>senseless as it may be ... it worked
22:28<SeveredCross>Did apt-get install hal start DBus like it should have?
22:28<lontra>don't remember
22:28<vook>eldowan: well it's pulling packages from etch, lenny, and sid
22:28<eldowan>vook: hmm. I noticed that it pulls from sid when the versions are identical between lenny and sid, but lenny when the versions differ.
22:30<vook>eldowan: that's what I would prefer. I only added sid so I could access a few extra packages that aren't in lenny or etch.
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22:30<eldowan>vook: did you make an entry into /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
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22:31<vook>eldowan: just sources.list
22:32<eldowan>vook: echo APT::Default-Release "testing"; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf
22:32<eldowan>where testing is your default release
22:33<vook>I actually didn't have an apt.conf - rather apt.conf.d
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22:34<Guest887>SeveredCross: back again. Can you help me, I am trying to get yaboot working with usplash
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22:35<SeveredCross>usplash is kernel-space, nothing to do with yaboot.
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22:36<SeveredCross>You should be able to edit /etc/yaboot.conf and add the usplash parmeter to your kernel the issue yaboot's update command.
22:36<SeveredCross>(I forget what the command is)
22:36<Guest887>SeveredCross: Isnt usplash userland (hence the u)?
22:36<SeveredCross>Well, it's a kernel parameter that you need is what I meant.
22:36<Guest887>SeveredCross: and bootsplash kernel based?
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22:36<Guest887>SeveredCross: Yeah I have append="quiet splash" but no love
22:37<SeveredCross>Hmm.
22:38<Guest887>SeveredCross: But i have edited /etc/yaboot.conf. Is this the corect one?
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22:38<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
22:39<Dred_furst>http://youtube.com/watch?v=4YKFiQQblsU
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22:51<mikes>hello, i'm trying to create a custom kernel. when typing make menuconfig in a fresh source directory without .config, i realise that it does not load the default configuration, but my previous kernels config. how is it possible?
22:52<mikes>how can it remember a configuration, without a .config file?
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23:11<Guest887>Can anyone tell me where i can find the default debian 4.0 wallpaper?
23:12<stuart>hi, can someone advise how to rip cd audio for scratched discs -- is flac error checking?
23:13<amphi>stuart: cdparanoia
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23:13<stuart>amphi: i think that has been replaced by Exact Audio copy
23:14<amphi>not here, it hasn't ;)
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23:14<stuart>amphi: will encoding using flac (with whatever utility) give an exact copy?
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23:14<stuart>amphi: i thought i read it checks md5 sum
23:14<RIVE>Guest877, the blue one?
23:15<amphi>stuart: ripping and encoding are separate operations
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23:15<Guest887>RIVE: yeah, KDE doesnt have it, and I am trying to build a copy of the gnome theme for debian for kde
23:15<stuart>ive installed cdparanoia -- do i run it in a terminal?
23:16<RIVE>Let me see, allowme a moment.
23:16<amphi>stuart: grip is a handy gtk FE for ripping and encoding; cdparanoia is a command line program
23:16<Supaplex>there's a man page I bet
23:16<stuart>amphi: is quality equivalent?
23:16<stuart>amphi: oh a frontend for cdp
23:17<amphi>stuart: eh? the 'L' in flac stands for 'lossless'
23:17<stuart>amphi: so how about EAC -- you prefer cdp?
23:18<amphi>I've not heard of EAC
23:18<stuart>ok
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23:20<amphi>cdparanoia has always been good a recovering damaged cds; I had one take 13hrs once ;)
23:20<stuart>amphi: how to i Grip to flac? By default there is a sting indicating ogg output i think
23:20<stuart>amphi: string even
23:20<amphi>stuart: stick your flac encoder in there with the args you want
23:21<stuart>amphi: where do i find the possible args etc?
23:21<amphi>stuart: in the man page
23:21<RIVE>Guest887, resolution?
23:21<stuart>amphi: ummm can you spell it out lol how do i open the man page?
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23:22<amphi>!grounding
23:22<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
23:22<Mave|PaiN>Hey again........... please help me
23:22<Mave|PaiN>http://www.truecombatelite.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=82037#82037
23:22<Mave|PaiN>Greetz
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23:23<Mave|PaiN>check the 1 and last reply on the post
23:23<RIVE>Guest887, is a.svg, let me upload to mi blog and send you the page to donwload it.
23:23<Guest887>RIVE - cheers I am trying to do a kwin theme as well
23:24<RIVE>Guest887, you can download it from http://www.riveonline.com/data/files/imagenes/debian-blueish-wallpaper.svg
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23:26<Guest887>RIVE: Cheers, now for a KDM theme and usplash theme and Im done
23:26<RIVE>Guest711, Nedd the splas image yo?
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23:27<Guest887>RIVE: What?
23:27<Mave|PaiN>I tryed to use a Script, to use ALSA, p@in:/usr/local/games/enemy-territory# unzip et-sdl-sound.gz
23:27<Mave|PaiN>Archive: et-sdl-sound.gz
23:27<Mave|PaiN>End-of-central-directory signature not found. Either this file is not
23:27<Mave|PaiN>a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive. In the
23:27<Mave|PaiN>latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
23:27<RIVE>You need the splash image to?
23:27-!-Mave|PaiN was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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23:28<Guest887>RIVE: I need to be able to use it with usplash, I havent quite figured out how uspash works yet]
23:28<gsimmons>!tell Mave|PaiN -about paste
23:28<Mave|PaiN>:S
23:28<gsimmons>Mave|PaiN: Your "et-sdl-sound.gz" file is gzip-compressed (not in ZIP archive format). Use "gzip -d et-sdl-sound.gz" to decompress.
23:28<Mave|PaiN>oOOps
23:28<Mave|PaiN>ohh...
23:28<Mave|PaiN>;) Thank you
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23:29<zeta>hi
23:29<RIVE>Hi zeta.
23:29<Mave|PaiN>hey
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23:30<stuart>amphi: current option in rip is ~/ogg/%A/%d/%n.wav
23:30<RIVE>Guest887, for that i can't hel you.
23:30<stuart>amphi: so do i replace that with something like
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23:30<stuart>amphi: flac -V
23:31<stuart>amphi: or do i need the ~ and % signs?
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23:32<amphi>stuart: ~ means your home directory - read the help stuff in grip, it explains the filename arguments and so on
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23:32<stuart>amphi: ok
23:33<stuart>amphi: flac -V should give me the best quality possible, yes?
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23:35<amphi>stuart: do I look like a manpage? ;)
23:35*amphi thinks in irc he might, possibly
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23:36<stuart>amphi: i did read the page, but it wasn't obvious what all the things did
23:36*amphi hasn't read the manpage at all
23:38<stuart>lol
23:38<stuart>ok
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23:41<Mave|PaiN>omg.... !lame but i must ask... in console mod, how is it possible to create a short cut ?
23:41<Mave|PaiN>cause in gui i cant do it, i think because im using a user not the root
23:42<Mave|PaiN>guys ? i know thats easy so come on ;)
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23:42<Mave|PaiN>well easy but not for me -.-''' at least now
23:43<Tarcas>by shortcut, do you mean a sym link?
23:43<Tarcas>If so, ln -s
23:43<Mave|PaiN>well.... im trying to use a scrpt (alsa)
23:43<Mave|PaiN>so maybe that works
23:43<Mave|PaiN>i can try ;)
23:44<Tarcas>!ln
23:44<dpkg>methinks ln is 'man ln'
23:44<Tarcas>useful.
23:44<Mave|PaiN>Cheers :]
23:45<Tarcas>was that what you needed?
23:46<Mave|PaiN>well i realy dont know :S but maybe it works
23:46<Mave|PaiN>im trying to do this (1) Unzip the Script to the ET local folder.
23:46<Mave|PaiN>(2) And change the command of your shortcut :
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23:46<Mave|PaiN>but this was for ubuntu users
23:46<Mave|PaiN>at least the guy was using it
23:46<Tarcas>not sure what it means by shortcut.
23:46<Mave|PaiN>well the 2 part
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23:47<Mave|PaiN>just have a look http://www.truecombatelite.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8869
23:47<Mave|PaiN>;)
23:47<Mave|PaiN>1 reply on the post
23:48<Tarcas>actually, it's late... just took a glance in and saw something I might be able to help with quickly. I can't stick around and dig in. Sorry.
23:48<Mave|PaiN>^^ no problem mate
23:49<Mave|PaiN>i spend all day trying to get this
23:49<Mave|PaiN>so i can wait one day more
23:49<Tarcas>good luck.
23:49<Mave|PaiN>Thanks
23:49<Mave|PaiN>;)
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23:50<Mave|PaiN>the thing is that im using debian (linux) for 2-3 days
23:50<Mave|PaiN>so im a "pro" -.-''' on it
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