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00:02<fenix>quem ta porai
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00:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bitchx is a old and unmaintained irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS" Abandonned by its upstream authors and scheduled for removal from Debian.
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00:22<ranix>I for one will be sad to see BitchX go
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01:00<user_>Can anyone help me get kdm theme manager working for etch
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01:16<decko>Hi Guys
01:17<decko>I'm trying to install SID on a X40 without any type of external media.
01:17<amphi>usb stick?
01:17<gsimmons>!usb install
01:17<dpkg>methinks usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: or
01:17<decko>I don't have a usb pen drive right now
01:18<decko>I'm thinking in use the usb image booting from grub that is instaled with this ubuntu
01:18<decko>But I need more drivers with initrd.gz
01:19<decko>Like IDE and Wi-Fi
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01:21<decko>There's some way to load d-i with a compressed ramdisk with more drivers
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01:31<user_>Can anyone help me get kdm theme manager working for etch. It loads into kcontrol, ut when i go o use it it just hangs
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01:34<Supaplex>decko: #debian-boot should know
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01:36<vsayikiran>can i remove exim4 package from my debian etch system
01:36<vsayikiran>is it necessary for a pc to use exim4 packge
01:37<vsayikiran>i want to remove exim4 package, i want to know whether it is important to use exim4 package
01:37<vsayikiran>can i use my pc normally without exim4 package
01:38<Supaplex>!+info exim4 etch
01:38<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
01:38<dpkg>exim4: (metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation), section mail, is standard. Version: 4.63-17 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
01:38<vsayikiran>can i uninstall exim4 package
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01:39<Supaplex>try it, if it's a really bad idea, it'll make you type a long phrase to confirm
01:39<Xenguy>vsayikiran: were you going to replace it with some other MTA?
01:39<vsayikiran>Xenguy: no i wont replace with another ine
01:40<Supaplex>I think cron depends on an mta, disabling it on boot might be better.
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01:40<vsayikiran>supaplex: if i completely remove mta will i be able to boot and login
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01:41<Xenguy>vsayikiran: is there a particular reason you want to remove the MTA?
01:41<Supaplex>I don't see why not. just disable it first. that's eaiser to fix if not. update-rc.d
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01:42<vsayikiran>Xenguy: when i boot my pc halts at "Starting MTA: " for one minute
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01:43<vsayikiran>Xenguy: i want to reduce the time i need to see the login prompt so it is necessary to remove exim4 package
01:43<Xenguy>vsayikiran: IC. I'd say try Supaplex's advice; disable it on bootup, and see if that works (you can always reenable it if you need to)
01:43<user_>vsayikiran: yeah i get the same thing whats up with that
01:43<Supaplex>I think it's dns related
01:44<vsayikiran>Xenguy: if i disable it then will i be able to boot and see my login prompt
01:44<vsayikiran>Xenguy: plz give me steps how to disable it
01:44<dpkg>i guess update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage.
01:45<Xenguy>vsayikiran: you can either use 'update-rc.d', or else install 'rcconf', run it as root, and disable exim that way
01:46*Xenguy always kills exim and installs postfix anyway...
01:46<Supaplex>!start an mta war
01:46<dpkg>postfix has an evil license
01:46<vsayikiran>Xenguy: plz tell me how to do with update-rc.d
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01:47<Supaplex>!tell vsayikiran -about update-rc.d
01:48<Supaplex>!tell vsayikiran -about plz
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01:52<user_>Is anyone here familiar with the martian drivers for agere modems?
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01:53<Supaplex>~lart agere
01:53*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on agere
01:54<Supaplex>thankfully, NO :)
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02:02<user_>Supaplex: I am tryin to compile the martian driver but i get this error Error: missing operand, does it mean anyhting?
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02:03<Supaplex>normally that's bad code. maybe the code's too old for your gcc (or the other way around)
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02:04<user_>Supaplex: Is there anyway I can tell what version of gcc the source was made wirth?
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02:06<Supaplex>afaik, no
02:07<user_>Supaplex: craptastic
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02:07<Supaplex>that's agere for ya. I have boxes of real modems for that problem :)
02:10<user_>Supaplex: I had the damn thing working in ubuntu and suse, but me loves debian so much
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02:12<stuart>help -- my flac file is really an mp3 file?
02:13<Supaplex>user_: curious, what's lspci -nn |grep 0780 say?
02:14<Supaplex>stuart: what's file your-spiffy.flac say? ('file' here is a command. man file)
02:14<user_>Supaplex: nothing it does nothing
02:14<Supaplex>user_: ok, try w/o grep. only paste the one line for the device
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02:15<user_>01:03.0 Communication controller [0780]: Agere Systems 56k WinModem [11c1:0441] (rev 01)
02:15<stuart>Supaplex: huh? What/where is my spiffy.flac
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02:15<Supaplex>stuart: what's the name of your flac file? flac is a lossless audio codec. it differs a lot from mp3, which is lossy
02:15<Supaplex>!pciid [11c1:0441]
02:15<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 11c1:0441 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
02:16<user_>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Motorola MPC106 [Grackle] [1057:0002] (rev 40)
02:16<user_>00:0d.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21154 [1011:0026] (rev 02
02:16<Supaplex>you had it right the first time
02:17<stuart>supaplex: they have .flac extensions, but when double clicked OS detects that the file is of type mp3 (with a naming mismatch and may present security risj)
02:17<Supaplex>user_: does this driver work with Conexant HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem to?
02:17<stuart>supaplex: but my intention is to rip to flac...
02:17<user_>Supaplex: No, but I ave the ubuntu .deb that allows you to use conexant modems at full speed,
02:17<Supaplex>stuart: ok. to answer your "where is it", I have no idea.
02:18<stuart>supaplex: what is it?
02:18<Supaplex>stuart: but... I don't totally understand what you're after. are you trying to figure out if a file is really an mp3 or flac regardless of the extension?
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02:19<Supaplex>user_: I'm using the external v.everything modem. :)
02:19<Supaplex>for faxes
02:19<stuart>supaplex: yes. I am trying to rip a CD as flac, but I think I'm getting an Mp3 file with .flac extension
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02:20<Supaplex>stuart: man file. and by file, it's literal. don't replace 'file' with anything.
02:21*Supaplex stopped ripping cd's ages ago
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02:23<user_>Supaplex: I am cheap I buy mine on speacial and rip a $2 CD
02:24<Supaplex>that's cheaper than buying single tracks. :P
02:24<Supaplex>the bulk of my stuff was $0. (and it's all legal too)
02:25<user_>Supaplex: MUHAAAAAA!!! Agere modem running wohoooooo, stupid coding errors
02:25<stuart>supaplex: doing "file name of song" returned...
02:26<stuart> Audio file with ID3 version 23.0 tag, MP3 encoding
02:26<stuart>but in the file manager, looking at properties is says MP3 with flac encoding
02:26<stuart>so is flac a lossless mp3 format or...?
02:26<dpkg>methinks flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course).
02:27<Supaplex>it's not related to mp3 at all
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02:27<Supaplex>sure, both play music etc - but that's as close as they relate.
02:28<stuart>supaplex: im using Grip to try rip and have selected flac as the encoder (drop down menu)
02:29<valdyn>stuart: it just means that file cant tell the difference between flac and mp3 encoding
02:29<stuart>supaplex: though not related, is the OS or media player doing some translation so that it thinks it's mp3?
02:29<stuart>suplaplex: hence the OS file manager cant?
02:30<stuart>suplaplex: so how to know for sure whether my grip settings are giving me a flac
02:30<valdyn>stuart: why dont you try flac on command line to compare?
02:31<stuart>valdyn: that's why i installed grip... dunno really what to do
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02:40<valdyn>stuart: file.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 16 bit, stereo, 44.1 kHz, 9673344 samples
02:40<valdyn>stuart: thats what i get using flac on command line
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02:44<stuart>valdyn: Verify OK, wrote 29353423 bytes, ratio=0.590
02:44<valdyn>stuart: are you misreading m3u for mp3?
02:44<stuart>thats all i get
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02:45<stuart>the command line gives me a 28mb file for 1 song
02:45<stuart>same as via grip
02:46<stuart>however...the command line gives a FLAC dile (versus double clicking the other to get a message about file format being mp3 which is not the same as the extension .flac)
02:46<stuart>so im more confused lol
02:46<stuart>they seem to be giving identical files
02:46<valdyn>stuart: except for the id3 tag hopefully
02:46<stuart>valdyn: id3 tag = artist, author...?
02:47<valdyn>stuart: yes
02:47<stuart>valdyn: what would be the difference
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02:47<Gekz>how can I set the cpu affinity to one cpu for an app :/
02:47<Gekz>I forgot!
02:47<valdyn>stuart: the difference would be the existance of an id3 tag in one file
02:48<stuart>so i look in the directory and see if there is a .id3 file?
02:48<valdyn>stuart: no, the id3 tag is part of the file
02:48<stuart>valdyn: how to check it then?
02:49<valdyn>stuart: check what?
02:49<stuart>valdyn: the thing is that the file manager recognises 1 file as type mp3 (flac codec) and the other as flac audio (flac codec), that is command line versus Grip (supposedly using flac)
02:50<stuart>valdyn: i thought you were saying check the existences of id3 tag on 1 of the files
02:50<stuart>valdyn: i guess i will change the file names and see if amarok still knows whos singing
02:50<valdyn>stuart: an id3 tag is supposedly at t he start of the file, so both files would start the same
02:50<valdyn>stuart: which is probably confusing the file manager
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02:52<stuart>valdyn: so you think 1 is really an mp3 and the other flac?
02:52<valdyn>stuart: no
02:52<stuart>valdyn: so the presence of id3 data does not indicate an mp3
02:52<valdyn>stuart: right
02:53<stuart>valdyn: so you think they are both the same format with one including id3 data which is confusing the file manager?
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02:53<valdyn>stuart: probably
02:54<stuart>valdyn: it would be a big coincidence for the command line and grip outpu to be the same size as reported in the file manager, yes?
02:54<valdyn>stuart: an mp3 wouldnt have that size
02:54<valdyn>stuart: mp3 is by definition never lossless
02:54<stuart>valdyn: even at least compression?
02:54<gsimmons>Gekz: You can use taskset ('schedutils' package).
02:55<valdyn>stuart: stop asking the same i already answered.
02:55<stuart>valdyn: ok, then i think i'm good -- didn't want to have to encode everything again lol
02:55<stuart>valdyn: ok, thanks
02:55<Gekz>gsimmons: yeah, i found it before
02:56<valdyn>stuart: mp3 is not only a codec but also a specific container
02:56<valdyn>stuart: to get the raw flac you would have to strip the container
02:56<valdyn>stuart: i dont know how to do that
02:57<stuart>valdyn: so an mp3 file could use a flac codec to be created?
02:57<valdyn>stuart: yea
02:57<valdyn>stuart: mind, im not saying that most players would deal with it ok
02:57<stuart>valdyn: i wonder whether i might have issues down the track with this lossless mp3 and players dont ...
02:57<valdyn>stuart: pocket mp3 players likely wouldnt
02:57<stuart>valdyn: took the words outta my mouth
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02:58<valdyn>stuart: but those mp3players wouldnt play straight flac either
02:58<stuart>valdyn: do you think it is more sensible to find a front end that generates pure FLAC to avoid issues down the line?
02:58<valdyn>stuart: no
02:58<valdyn>stuart: its sensible to use a standard documented format.
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02:59<stuart>valdyn: you lost me -- is that hybrid im getting one of them?
02:59<valdyn>stuart: i think so
02:59<stuart>valdyn: ok, thanks for your help
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03:00<dpkg>somebody said ballmer was Darth Maul to Gates' Palpatine, or fat, or nuts
03:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
03:01<dpkg>it has been said that doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes
03:02<dpkg>i heard jesus is cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs), or a common Spanish name.
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03:03<dpkg>from memory, developers is DEVELOPERSDEVELOPERSDEVELOPERS!, or
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03:05<Supaplex>user_: try /query dpkg
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03:07<stuart>valdyn: you were right --- problem i think was becuase i had an option id3v2 rather than id3. I'm guessing the v2 is not a standard, or at least not one yet acknowledged in linux
03:08<stuart>valdyn: so now i get a pure flac file that i am a bit more comfortable about being future proof
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03:12<Guest901>How do i identify which port my modem is on?
03:12<cahoot>no clue in dmesg?
03:13<Guest901>cahoot: "martian_dev": added device 11c1:441 BaseAddress = 0x1800, CommAddres = 0x1c00, irq = 24
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03:18<mihau>ive got question
03:18<mihau>could anyone write me some repsitories?
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03:27<Guest901>Supaplex: I have a probem with glxinfo I get a seg fault when I try to start it
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03:29<Supaplex>Guest901: search for submitter on for a similar bug. good night.
03:30<mihau>why i can't install ntfs-3g? ;f
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03:30<mihau>it gives error ntfs-3g: Wymaga: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) ale 2.5.3-4.4 ma zostać zainstalowany
03:30<mihau>E: Pakiety są błędne
03:30<mihau>ntfs-3g needs: libfuse2 (....) but 2.5.3-4.4 will be installed
03:31<mihau>E: Wrong packages
03:31<mihau>somethign liek that ;p
03:31<Supaplex>try LANG=C aptitude install ntfs-3g then we can read it. *click* goes the monitor.
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03:32<mihau>it's just been installed
03:32<mihau>without problems
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03:33<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
03:33<xmlcs3>anyone using ubuntu?
03:33<mihau>i used tu
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03:33<Supaplex>xmlcs3: is this a trick question?
03:34<Supaplex>!tell xmlcs3 -about ubuntu
03:34<Supaplex>!tell xmlcs3 -about based on debian
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03:34<xmlcs3>lol jus dat i had a problem wit da update manager
03:34<Supaplex>the terse form is, ubuntu is OT here.
03:34<Supaplex>see topic
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03:40<DslDevice>someone online?
03:42<Guest901>DslDevice: lots of u
03:42<Guest901>DslDevice: lots of us
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03:46<DslDevice>some times ago i was maked a gho image from my debian partitions
03:46<DslDevice>now i want to recover this, but after recovery don't booting
03:46<DslDevice>please help me, i want to install a bootloader
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03:46<DslDevice>i'm a beginner
03:46<Guest901>DslDevice: How is it not booting?
03:47<valdyn>DslDevice: we dont support norton ghost
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03:47<DslDevice>the bootloader was not imaged, all partitions are ok, but bootloader no
03:48<DslDevice>i want to reinstall this
03:50<Guest901>DslDevice: u will have to use a livecd such as damn small or puppy and einstall the grib bootloader from there
03:51<DslDevice>with this two, it's possible to reinstall?
03:51<vook>DslDevice: or the debian netinst would do as well ;) Then mount your partitions to /mnt, and chroot mnt. then do grub-install /dev/hda
03:51<DslDevice>ahhh thx much
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03:52<vook>DslDevice: you really don't need to chroot, but that's what I usually would do.
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03:53<Guest901>vook: true
03:54<vook>DslDevice: after you chrooted, mount proc and any other systems in /etc/fstab
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03:55<mihau>what should i do to moun ntfs partiotion permamently?
03:56<mihau>by ntfs-3g
03:56<mihau>after reboot they dissapear
03:56<mihau>-o force ?
03:58<vook>mihau: I'm not sure how ntfs-3g integrates into fstab, if at all. You could always just create a little script though. Create it in /etc/init.d/ and call it something like ntfsmount...
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03:59<vook>include /bin/sh on the first line and the command on the second.
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03:59<vook>then create a link to /etc/rc2.d using the command...
03:59<mihau>im totally newbie :D
04:00<mihau>so its like magic to me :D
04:00<vook>ln -s /etc/init.d/ntfsmount /etc/rc2.d/S99ntfsmount
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04:01<mihau>thats all?
04:01<vook>oops, no the first line should say #!/bin/sh
04:02<mihau>which one should i edit?:D
04:02<vook>second line : ntfs-3d DEVICE MOUNTPOINT
04:02<vook>mihau: createa a new file
04:02<gsimmons>vook: It integrates just fine.
04:02<gsimmons>mihau: See for an /etc/fstab example.
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04:03<mihau>gsimmons: thats much easier
04:03<vook>ok :) well mihau, do what gsimmons said instead, but remember what I said about adding to init.d for future reference
04:03<vook>it's all helpful info
04:03<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to put a password on grub for my etch box but every time I do grub-md5-crypt I get a diff string and doesn't work
04:04<mihau>vook: thanks too :P
04:04<bcochofel>I've noticed that the strings don't have 32 chars. How can I put a pass on my grub on etch?
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04:11<mihau>ok, it works fine
04:11<mihau>thanks for help guys
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04:25<mihau>how to turn off x?
04:25<mihau>i mean
04:26<mihau>something opposite to startx
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04:32<lazy247x>why is my cpu speed different from windows?? please help
04:32<Gathond>lazy247x: probably some CPU stepping being active/not active
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04:33<lazy247x>how would i make them active?
04:33<lazy247x>c1, through c4
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04:34<lazy247x>no i have c0, through c3 -- its on c3
04:34<lazy247x>does it change automatic???
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04:35<Gathond>the normal concept with cpu stepping is to save power by reducing the clock if the system is idle
04:35<Gathond>cpufreq-info should give you some values about the current settings
04:36<lazy247x>let me try it
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04:38<lazy247x>ok thanks
04:38<lazy247x>it told me a lot
04:39<lazy247x>i have a another program called powertop
04:39<lazy247x>have u ever use it??
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04:39<lazy247x>im not sure it if really work
04:39<nisse>Hi all! I have to send my laptop in for service, and I've heard that with Linux installed the guarantee is no longer valid :( Is it possible to hide the grub splash-screen? I mean, I could set the timout to zero, but how would I then enter linux later on?
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04:40<lazy247x> another program i try to use was GFXBoot -- cant get splash to work?
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04:40<Gathond>no idea, I dont use splash screens
04:41<lazy247x>well thanks for your help
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04:42<nisse>..and if someone was in doubt, I meant the grub menu earlier..
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04:43<nisse>I guess'll just send it in and keep my fingers crossed..
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04:58<mikes>hello all, i've been using a local repository for installing self created debs, but though i uninstall some of my debs, remove them from my repo, and apt-get update, apt-cache pkgnames includes my deleted packages
04:59<mikes>anyone know a solution to this??
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05:03<Lynoure>mikes: did apt-get clean too?
05:04<mikes>Lynoure: yes
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05:05<Lynoure>mikes: then more detail is needed... how did you remove them? and did you check they got removed? Could be something wonky in the packages, too
05:06<mikes>Lynoure: the only custom deb i create is linux-image with make-kpkg. i then move it to a local repository /root/debs and i install it through apt
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05:07<mikes>when i want to remove it i do an apt-get --purge remove, then i remove the deb from /root/debs, i rescan the local repo, and then i do an apt-get update
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05:14<Lynoure>mikes: if you also did apt-get clean, I'm not sure why it would still show in the cache packages
05:16<Lynoure>mikes: Does apt-cache --installed pkgnames still show it too?
05:18<mikes>yes, but when i try apt-get --purge remove foo the output is "Package foo is not installed, so not removed"
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05:19<user_>can anyone here help me get sirect rendering up and running
05:23<user_>i have this in my xsesions log (II) R128(0): Direct rendering enabled, but this fro glxinfo
05:23<user_>direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbo
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05:26<Lynoure>mikes: you could still try apt-cache gencaches or apt-get check, but I would not worry about too much if it cannot be removed again or reinstalled, and if dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall will not list it as installed
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05:27<hax0r>hello all
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05:29<mikes>Lynoure: i do an dpkg --get-selections \* > selections.txt, and i see that in selections.txt the package has a "purge"
05:30<hejustrife>i seem to be getting a Permissions denied anytime i click on a hdd in system:/media/
05:30<hejustrife>how can i solve that?
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05:32<Lynoure>mikes: that's ok and expected
05:32<mikes>Lynoure: thanks for everything!! i'm going to send a bug report
05:32<hejustrife>any help?
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05:34<Lynoure>mikes: I'm not sure sure it's a bug... could be just that pkgnames lists stuff that has been there, on purpose. I don't use it much enough to know for sure
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05:35<mikes>Lynoure: it's a little bit annoying because tab completition of apt-get install is based on pkgnames
05:36<Lynoure>mikes: makes sense to report it then
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05:38<hejustrife>anybody kno what would cause me to not be able to access my ide drives from within system:/media/
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05:39<user_>hejustrife: not mounted
05:39<hejustrife>i mounted them
05:40<hejustrife>if i got /mnt/hda1 i can browse the contents, if i go thru system:/media/ i get "Permissions denied"
05:40<hejustrife>got = go to
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05:41<hejustrife>even my usb hdd says "Could not enter folder /media/usb0."
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05:48<slept>how do I make gdm use xorg.conf and not do any of it's strange magic that break my nice setup for a dual headed display ?
05:48<Lynoure>hejustrife: So you do see them existing under /media/, at least?
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05:49<hejustrife>i do see the icons and the Local Disk, but that's it
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05:50<hejustrife>and then i personally named 2 of them, and those names are showing
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06:43<xrhstaras>hi gys
06:43<xrhstaras>can you helpme about something????
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07:44<mitchell>what about #ubuntu????
07:44<mitchell>no one there
07:44<weasel>why would we care?
07:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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07:45<mitchell>ok thks mates
07:45<mitchell>and sory weasel
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07:46<witte>mitchell: #ubuntu is not #debian, but it is not #microsoft, so nobody will kill you for just mentioning it ;-)
07:46<witte>mitchell: and have a look at the freenodes server, i believe #ubuntu is more alive there
07:47<mitchell>ok thks mate
07:47<weasel>I'm not so sure about that
07:47<mitchell>i need to check the freenodes server
07:47<witte>weasel: well, i don't know, the factoid seems to suggest it
07:48<witte>in any case, ubuntu users use forums, not irc sigh
07:48<weasel>witte: yes, freenode for ubuntu. no, I'm not sure mentioning MS is worse than them
07:48<witte>weasel: ah, lol
07:48<mitchell>why so anti ubuntu???
07:50<weasel>and please for the love of sanity, consider only using a single question mark
07:50<weasel>using more just makes you look stupid, it doesn't make the question any more asking
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07:50<witte>weasel: well if people come from windows, and want to use linux, the first step (halfway) would be ubuntu. In the end it will make it easier to make the step to real linux (==> debian)
07:50<mitchell>come on
07:50<mihau>witte: i did it that way;p
07:51<mitchell>ye thats true ubuntu is so MS
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07:59<mihau>what's the opposite do startx?
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08:04<mihau>cant install fucking nvidia-glx
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08:05<Belisarivs>Hi all.
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08:05<Belisarivs>I cannot purge old Linux kernel in sid. It ends with error status 128 in postrm. What does it mean?
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08:06<Belisarivs>I vent to /var/lib/dpkg/info and ran those postrm scriptas ant these didn't report any error.
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08:09<Belisarivs>Do I provide sufficient information?
08:10<TBBle>mihau: That's probably not enough information to help, sadly.
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08:11<Belisarivs>Just ask for additional. I don't know what do you need, but I can have a look.
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08:15<Belisarivs>Script complained about directory in /lib/modules not being empty. So I fixed it (deleted compiled vbox and nvidia kernel modules) and ran purge again. Now are those dirs in /lib.modules deleted by uninstall process. I guess, that it doesn't like missing symlinks in /boot. But when I created them, it failed qith 128 status again.
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08:16<Belisarivs>I am willing to provide additional information, just tell me what is needed and I'll do so.
08:17<witte>Belisarivs: i just tried to purge an old kernel as well, and, i do not get an error
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08:18<Belisarivs>Hm. So is there any way to fix it other than deletion of postrm so it cannot complain?
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08:20*Aleric woke up... Home Directory Recovery... day 5.
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08:22<witte>Belisarivs: just come back later and ask again, or ask on the debian-user newsgroup
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08:25<Belisarivs>I deleted those postrm scripts and all purged. But I know it isn't correct solution.
08:25<Belisarivs>Bye and thanks for your time.
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08:43<mihau>when im trying to install nvidia drivers
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08:43<mihau>it gives error, that it coulndt find kernel-source
08:44<Aleric>How are you installing it?
08:44<mihau>sh NV*
08:45<Aleric>What dist?
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08:45<mihau>im downloading lates kerne;
08:45<mihau>right now
08:45<mihau>maybe itll help
08:45<Aleric>Can you execute 'sudo somecommand' as non-root?
08:45<mihau>mihau is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
08:46<mihau>nope i guess
08:46<Aleric>You can add yourself
08:46<mihau>will it help?
08:46<mihau>i dont mind using su
08:46<Aleric>The script on uses it :p
08:47<Aleric>download build-nvidia-kernel, put it in an empty directory and run it as non-root.
08:48<Aleric>I'm the author, so I'm interested in your experience with it (to make improvements).
08:50<mihau>why non-root?
08:50<mihau>and how to add it :D
08:50<Aleric>I don't like running a script as root - so I advise against it.
08:50<Gekz>Aleric: fakeroot
08:51<mihau>how do i activate sudo as non-root?
08:51<Aleric>I don't want the responsibility of thousands of people running my script as root under unknown circumstances, I guess.
08:51<Aleric>Gekz: That is not the point.
08:51<Gekz>mihau: lol!
08:51<Aleric>It needs root to run dpkg and apt-get
08:51<mihau>couse sudo doesnt work
08:51<Gekz>mihau: by not typing it
08:52<mihau>didnt understand him :D
08:52<Aleric>Let me find how to add yourself, minhau
08:52<Gekz>Aleric: why not?
08:53<mihau>The architecture of the running kernel (686) is not the same as what you request to be compiled (2.6.18-5-486), and I can't do cross compiling.
08:53<Gekz>you've broke somethinjg
08:53<Aleric>mihau: run 'visudo' and add this line:
08:53<Gekz>lenny uses 2.6.22
08:54<Gekz>not .18
08:54<mihau>i had etch
08:54<mihau>but upgraded
08:54<mihau>to lenny
08:54<Gekz>uname -a
08:54<Gekz>paste output here
08:54<mihau>2.6.18-5-486 #1 Mon Dec 24 16:04:42 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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08:54<Aleric># Host alias specification
08:54<Aleric>mihau ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
08:55<Aleric>mihau: then you should be able to run build-nvidia-kernel without problems
08:55<Gekz>mihau: why are you using the etch kernel
08:55<mihau>where to add this line?
08:55<mihau>in the end
08:55<mihau>or the begining?
08:55<mihau>Gekz: i dl it form ftp
08:56<Aleric>mihau: below the existing "Host alias specification"
08:56<Aleric>If that is not there, anywhere
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08:56<Aleric>mihau: Actually, you also need unstable sources.
08:57<Aleric>So, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, as is described on that page under "Preparations"
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08:57<mihau>ive added them already :P
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08:58<mihau>maybe im lame, but...
08:58<mihau>mihau@088156056192:~/Desktop/asd$ sh
08:58<mihau> line 10: NOPASSWD:: command not found
08:58<mihau>The architecture of the running kernel (686) is not the same as what you request to be compiled (2.6.18-5-486), and I can't do cross compiling
08:58<Aleric>What is ?
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08:59<mihau>its build-nvidia-kernel
08:59<Aleric>And that NOPASSWD seems to tell me that you did NOT edit the sudoers file correctly.
08:59<mihau>so which file should i edit
09:00<Aleric>It is not, line 10 is comment.
09:00<Aleric>I TOLD you: run, as root, visudo
09:00<mihau>you said, anywhere
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09:00<Aleric>run 'visudo'
09:00<mihau>i know now;p
09:00<Aleric>Then add below # Host alias specification
09:00<Terr1>hm how do you check your link speed on ethernet? (10/100/1000) ?
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09:01<Aleric>mihau ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
09:01<Aleric>exit the editor..
09:01<Aleric>FIX build-nvidia-kernel to what it was before. No need to edit that file at all
09:04<Aleric>If it thinks that you 'requested' 2.6.18-5-486 to be compiled, then that is because that was the latest entry in /lib/modules.
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09:04<gsimmons>Terr1: dmesg, ethtool, mii-tool, etc
09:04<Aleric>mihau: You can add a --kernel=`uname -r`
09:05<mihau>sry, was afk
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09:05<Terr1>gsimmons, ah ethtool did the trick thx
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09:05<Aleric>mihau: By the way, it seems you ran into a bug that I described on that url too under "Basic sid backporting".
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09:06<Aleric>(the paragraph starting with "If nvidia-kernel is back in testing, then you can just run the above command again without --dry-run and you are done ..."
09:07<Aleric>mihau, run: sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
09:07<Aleric>It can't harm, and it might fix your earlier problem too.
09:07<mihau>i cant edit fucking visudo ;f
09:07<mihau>it crashes all the time ;/
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09:08<Aleric>Anyway... I'm working on an ext3 deletion recovery program...
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09:10<Terr1>Is it possible to improve samba transfering speed? I have a lvm drive shared through samba, I did a hdparm -Tt test on each disk in the lvm drive. Slowest speed is 45MB/S. Network is 1Gbit. Target disk is raid 0 with 160MB/S running on Vista X64. However the transfering speed is around 12-14MB..?
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09:14<zachary>I was wondering, does anyone happen to know if there is a way for GNOME users to have a category in their GNOME applications menu that is listed as KDE, and will have all of the KDE applications in there instead of being spread out throughout all of the categories in the GNOME menu?
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09:18<swo>hi is anyone here using a texas instruments calculator with tilp and the usb-link(silverlink)?
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09:19<zachary>ah nevermind everybody, I found something
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09:23<lockoff>howdaly dydlydi doo
09:24<lockoff>lest try it again
09:25<lockoff>howdaly dydlydi doo
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09:26<lockoff>you wont get a respose here
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09:26<zachary>hi lockoff
09:27<lockoff>lets celebrate
09:27<lockoff>ill make the cake
09:27<lockoff>you get candles and some fireworks
09:27<lockoff>itll be so fine
09:27<zachary>I'm glad I found an interesting solution to my problem of KDE applications showing up in my GNOME menu. It was starting to clutter up.
09:28<lockoff>we can celebrate that also
09:29<lockoff>the more reasons, the more fun it will be
09:29<lockoff>well enjoy it
09:29<AbsintheSyringe>zachary, this is the best solution to do with gnome on kde
09:29<lockoff>we dont need tholse zombies to be there
09:30<zachary>AbsintheSyringe: I found a package called GNOME menu extended which does the exact same for GNOME, I installed both. Now I have a KDE submenu in my GNOME Menu with the KDE apps, and a GNOME submenu in my KMenu with GNOME apps. Works very nicely.
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09:30<lockoff>argh , wow
09:31<lockoff>I can put diesel in my gas car and put gas into my diesel car
09:31<zachary>lockoff: are you serious?
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09:35<lockoff>it works on the sam principle the K Menu Gnome does
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09:36<Tarcas>lockoff, you know darned well that applications and fuel are totally different.
09:37<lockoff>K Menu, Gnome - one machine
09:37<Tarcas>Applications: running in an environment other than intended using libraries to make it work anyway.
09:37<Tarcas>Fuel: high/low compression occuring in an environment designed for the other
09:37<lockoff>gas engine, diesel engine - one car
09:38<lupine_85>an application using a library? glory be
09:38<Tarcas>Applications: wasteful, but it works. Even if it failed, no harm done.
09:38<Tarcas>Fuel: physics keeps it from working, and if it even tries, it does significant damage
09:38<lupine_85>right now, I'm using kde everything inside gnome
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09:39<lupine_85>since I use some gnome and some kde apps anyway, 'waste' is surprisingly little
09:39<lockoff>anyways, maybe you could tell me why I cant find any sources.lists with gathered sources
09:39<Tarcas>Don't tell Lockoff that, lupine_85. He'll want to put antifreeze in your oilpan and oil in your radiator.
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09:40<lupine_85>lockoff: ?
09:40<lupine_85>Tarcas: hehe
09:40<lupine_85>KDE and GNOME do keep each other in mind when working on stuff, which is nice
09:40<lupine_85>e.g. common clipboard
09:41<Tarcas>I've got to split. Got a meeting in an hour 20, and I haven't showered or breakfasted yet, and it's a good 20-25 mins from here. L8r.
09:41<lockoff>your luck I have only 80db signal of which half is noise. I would prove my poiint
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09:45<lockoff>lupine, do you have any idea how many srces there is?
09:46<lockoff>is it that hard to generate .list?
09:46<zachary>lupine_85: the age old problem of desktop icons messing up between the two still irks me, I hope they fix that soon
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09:46<lupine_85>lockoff_: not all sources are compatible with each other
09:46<lupine_85>just add the ones you need
09:47<lupine_85>zachary: well, nothing's perfect, I guess
09:47<lockoff_>that is?
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09:47<lupine_85>how am I supposed to know? :p
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09:47<lupine_85>just the debian main repository is enough for many people
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09:48<zachary>lupine_85: I'm going to do some reading up on a way where you can change the default folder KDE uses for its desktop.
09:48<lupine_85>zachary: just symlink ~/Desktop ?
09:49<abrotman>!tell lockoff_ about sources.list
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09:50<zachary>lupine_85: no because then GNOME and KDE will still put stuff in the same spot for the desktop if I do a symlink
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09:52<lupine_85>as in, symlink it on a runtime basis
09:53<zachary>lupine_85: ah yeah that would be a good idea, I misunderstood you
09:53<lockoff_>never heard of aptitude update before
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09:55<lockoff_>yeah, time is running by
09:55<lockoff_>I understand
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09:56<Terr1>Are there a way you can check what speed you copy a file from one disk to another disk? (locally not over network) a specific file not just a test
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09:57<lockoff_>got stopwatch?
09:57<lupine_85>use time wget ?
09:58<lupine_85>erm, time cp
09:58<lupine_85>or you could dd the file
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09:58<lockoff_>..when master makes a disaster
09:59<Terr1>lupine_85, thx
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10:07<Aleric>!tell mihau about paste
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10:10<prahal>hi do you know why icedtea was removed from new queue ?
10:11<prahal>I am looking after finding out when it will be included ... merely if it is soon or in monthes
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10:34<kantor>I have a very strange problem with my ext3 file system, or maybe with Debian. I'm using Debian lenny, All went fine, but once I started Debian and a kernel panic occurred, the problem was that the mount command could not find the journal in the root partition where Debina is installed, so it could not mount and start the operating system. But I scanned with the fsck program and the partition was ok. I mean no errors where detected, I rescanned that several
10:34<kantor> time, and with Ubuntu live DVD I can mount and unmount that partition, so it is ok, but I don't know why Debian yields that error then
10:38<kantor>please give me some hints
10:38<kantor>because I have no ideas
10:39<prahal>kantor, ubuntu live cd autodetect the partition . As an ext3 without journal is an ext2 I guess it mounts it as ext2 and it works . I guess your boot sequence works until init start at which point it reads /etc/fstab and try to remount the ro mounted partition as ext3 and fails
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10:40<prahal>so I guess (do not do it as I guess you prefer fixing your ext3 to keep the journal ability) if you mount your partition under any live cd then edit /etc/fstab to replace ext3 by ext2 it would work as the live cd does
10:41<kantor>ok, thanks the hint, then I shall edit the fstab and replace
10:42<kantor>prahal, do you know there is a program for ex3, ext2 file systems, with which you can manipulate a lot of ext partition attributes
10:42<kantor>I don't remember the name
10:42<kop>So I'm trying to figure out what the redhat-cluster packages do, and I do an 'aptitude search'. The package names are truncated and the ones I can fully see don't tell me much with 'aptitude show'. So I try dpkg. The man page says I can search /var/lib/dpkg/available, but there seem to be no redhat-cluster* packages in that file. How do I find the full package names?
10:42<kop>kantor : tune2fs
10:42<kantor>yes, thanks
10:43<kop>kantor : (To be picky, that'd be filesystem attributes, not partition attributes.)
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10:43<kantor>yes, sorry
10:44<kop>kantor : I'm just being picky. It's occasionally dangerous to confuse filesystems and partitions so....
10:44<prahal>kantor , I can only provides clues not ready to use commands but "tune2fs -j" is the way to create a journal (do it from a live cd with the partition unmounted) . Maybe it can trash the old broken one and recreate it
10:45<kantor>kop, I know quiet well the differences, but I wrote that quickly, without to think about what I'm writing
10:46<kop>kantor : The other day someone got confused and shrank their partition but not their filesystem. Not good.
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10:48<kop>!tell bori1 -about ask
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10:49<bori1>I have a problem with configuring nvidia driver
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10:51<kantor>I just never had this problem before
10:51<yip>anyone know how I can reset my udev rules to those of sid ? remove/install udev created empty dirs
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10:53<kop>yip : I'd think you'd need to reboot (or do something with /etc/init.d/udev) Rebooting might be safest.
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10:54<kop>yip: But I'm just guessing. I don't really know what I'm doing with udev.
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10:56<kop>!tell andresvia -about ask
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10:56<abrotman>kop: are you going to do that to everyone?
10:56<kop>abrotman : Maybe everyone who says hello.
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10:57<kop>abrotman : I recall the first time I used irc. I felt the need to say hello.
10:57<abrotman>kop: that has nothing to do wiht "ask" .. but whatever
10:57<kop>abrotman : (And wait for a response before talking further.)
10:58<yip>thanks kop. I've rebooted, also did a udev stop start. the /etc/udev stays empty, and of course none of my peripherals is detected. the only file present there is udev.d/udev.conf. with my previous udev install, I had a bunch of rules in separate files. I guess Sid may create the basic rules at install or something ...
10:59<andresvia>I need an old debian package, i have search in and snapshot
10:59<abrotman>how old ?
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11:00<kop>abrotman : I have occasionally seen newbies tortured here when the conversation goes like: Hello. (no answer) Is anybody there. (pause, then someone else says "no". And so forth.) Sometimes I think a little welcome that tells people what's expected would help.
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11:00<andresvia>linux-image 2.6.22-2 686
11:00<abrotman>andresvia: that should be at
11:01<kantor>than's guys I solved the problem !
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11:02<kantor>I recreated the journal and now all goes fine
11:02<tiagosab>Aleric: I've seen your howto, but you don't mention module-assistant. Any reason?
11:04<Aleric>tiagosab: Not really... except that I don't know how that works. I should learn how that exactly works before I can write about it, and I have no time to learn it (catch-22, my scripts work for me, so I have no need to put more time into this subject :/)
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11:07<tiagosab>Aleric: Ok. Thanks for sharing your work, anyway. And you should try it - it's very easy (m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia).
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11:07<Aleric>tiagosab: but how does that work?
11:07<Aleric>I can't imagine it works on testing, at the moment.
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11:08<Aleric>testing has most nvidia stuff removed, and the stuff on unstable depends on packages that are too new (ie, xorg)
11:09<Aleric>If that line works, then I'd really like to know how :)
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11:09<tiagosab>I think you need the same environment you describes. I have a testing/sid mix and it works (xorg from testing, btw).
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11:10<Aleric>After I recovered my home directory again, we should talk about it... if you can tell me what to do, and it works - then I'll definetely add it - at the top no less.
11:10*Aleric continuous writing static bool print_directory(ext3_super_block const& super_block, unsigned char* block)
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11:12<tiagosab>Just ping me here when you are done, if I am around we can try to make it work for you...
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11:23<andresvia>is not there
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11:26<prahal>about icedtea no news ?
11:27<YotoshiWii>Hey, could anyone spare some time to help a n00b out?
11:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
11:27<YotoshiWii>I's not really a debian atyle question, it's how to add a script on xchat
11:28<YotoshiWii>i'm trying to connect to another chat, but i'm not reallysure how to add it. every time i try i apparently spelled it wrong. :-s
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11:29<debian>whats a good ftp server application for a newbie on debian...?
11:29<debian>i want to have mulitple user's going to same directory
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11:41<maddash>what is runlevel S, and how is it different from 2-5?
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11:41<stockholm>grrr, i know it exists, but i dont find how to get apt-get (or aptitude) to print the urls it tires to visit for retriving stuff. i know there is a commandline switch for that.
11:41<stockholm>what is it?
11:44<xs>maddash: man init; i think the explanation is pretty clear?
11:45<maddash>xs: hardly. why does call S the single-user mode?
11:45<harfooz>Hi folks, I have installed the updates for acrobat reader. When I browse to an online .pdf, iceweasel tells me: Incorrect version of Adobe Reader was found in PATH. Please make sure Adobe Reader >= 8.1.2 exists in PATH. If the problem persists, please reinstall the application.
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11:46<harfooz>I don't know how to approach the error and could use a hand.
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11:47<xs>maddash: it doesn't for linux.
11:48<xs>maddash: runlevels come from unix. things are different there.
11:49<debian>i tried vsftpd but could not figure out how to create user accounts for multiple users and have them all go to same home directory
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11:50<xs>harfooz: in a command prompt, type: which acroread. this will tell you where the acroread binary is. it might be that it's not there. at least for me i can't see adobe acrobat in the debian archive.
11:50<peyman>hi, anyone knows where can i get the actual source code of the "cp" command?
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11:51<xs>peyman: yup. dpkg -S $(which cp) to find which package cp is in; then do apt-get source <package name>
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11:51<peyman>xs: thanks
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11:52<harfooz>xs: it's in /usr/bin/acroread. The thing is, I can save open .pdf files locally, but when I am in iceweasel, the acroread plugin will not open within iceweasel.
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11:53<Aleric>harfooz: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH with /lib32:/usr/lib32 up front, and install all ia32 libs
11:55<Aleric>harfooz: Oh, didn't really read your problem... I recently wrote a HOWTO about installing iceweasel on amd64...
11:55<Aleric>I suppose you don't even have amd64? :)
11:55<harfooz>no -- it's a 386 box
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11:56<Aleric>The plugin runs acroread (searches your PATH) twice, the first time as 'acroread --version'
11:56<harfooz>acroread plugin for iceweasel was functioning fine until most recent upgrade from 8.1.1 to 8.1.2.
11:56<Aleric>Apparently it doesn't return the correct version
11:56<harfooz>is the plugin editable?
11:56<Aleric>it's closed source
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11:57<harfooz>so I just wait on a fix from debian.multimedia then?
11:57<Aleric>You have a version mismatch between the plugin and the acroread it finds in your PATH
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11:57<Aleric>This is about amd64, but you might be interested in read the section "Trooble Shooting" of my HOWTO:
11:58<peyman>xs: where would it copy the source? shouldn't it be in /usr/src/ ?
11:58<Aleric>should work on your system too, to turn things inside out... run it in strace and stuff
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11:58<RUSlik>Õåëëîóóó )
11:59<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:59<xs>peyman: once the command has completed, the source will be in the current directory
12:00<peyman>xs: oh, yeah, i found it, thanks
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12:00<kapil>i don't think any language let alone russian has so many vowels with accents in succession :-)
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12:02<Aleric>Can filenames contain a ',' ?
12:02<harfooz>I see the version incompatibility problem now. acroread -version shows 8.1.1 while clicking on About Adobe Reader 8 shows 8.1.2.
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12:05<Aleric>harfooz: acroread is a script.. just change the version :p
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12:10*RUSlik ÞçÀåÒ ÑàÌûÉ ÐåÀëÜíÛé ÑêÐèÏò NeOn Script 9.7 (Ýêñêëþçèâíàÿ Âåðñèÿ) !
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12:23<sco50000>every time i try to play any kind of video in any player, the X server crashes. recently i installed Xgl and edited my xorg.conf to run Compiz Fusion, so i removed Xgl, commented out the changes i made to my xorg.conf, but my X server still crashes when i attepmpt to play any videos, anyone have any ideas?
12:23<amphi>sco50000: you could look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:24<amphi>what output driver are you using (xv, x11, gl, etc.) ?
12:24<sco50000>xv i think
12:25<sco50000>i set it while following a compiz fusion tutorial
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12:25<amphi>sco50000: try with x11 or gl then, and see if that works any better
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12:25<sco50000>amphi: where is that set?
12:26<amphi>sco50000: what's your x sessuion hanging on? if it's compiz, it might be that coiz crashes, taking down the x session, rather than the x server crashing
12:26<amphi>sco50000: I can only tell you for mplayer - -vo x11 for example
12:26<dmg>how do i mount my floppy?
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12:26<sco50000>i removed Xgl and compositing, so compiz won't work now, so it definetly wasn't running
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12:29<sco50000>i have a lot of this in one section: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23, and it continues from 23 to 72 in hex
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12:30<dmg>can some one help me mount my floppy?
12:31<Sweeney-Todd>hi, I have got the gdm error message "gdm[3207]: segfault at 000000080068ad28 rip 00002b23d416fd1f rsp 00007fffd9a78a80 error 6"
12:31<kapil>dmg: "pmount /dev/fd0" if you have "pmount" installed and the filesystem modules loaded.
12:31<Sweeney-Todd>i causes my gdm to crash
12:32<dmg>kapil: i'll try
12:32<GhostlyDeath>Sweeney-Todd: on shutdown?
12:32<GhostlyDeath>Sweeney-Todd: happens to me too
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12:32<Sweeney-Todd>what is it?
12:32<GhostlyDeath>Don't know
12:32<ranix>gdm sucking
12:32<ranix>get rid of it
12:32<Sweeney-Todd>checked google but nothing on it
12:32<Sweeney-Todd>I have been looking for about 2 days but cant solve it
12:33<ranix>what do you need gdm for
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12:35<dmg>kapil: i tried pmount /dev/fd0 and it tells me I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
12:37<ranix>dmg: fdisk
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12:37<dmg>ranix: what do you mean ?
12:37<ranix>format it
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12:38<dmg>i tried formating and i gt this
12:38<dmg>mkdosfs: failed whilst writing reserved sector
12:38<dmg> (47)
12:38<ranix>your disk is dead
12:38<ranix>throw it in the garbage
12:38<kapil>dmg: are you trying this as root or not?
12:39<dmg>not as root
12:39<dmg>i'll try as root
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12:39<brunokrebs>hey there
12:39<kapil>dmg: don't format it first. first try to load the vfat module with "modprobe vfat".
12:39<brunokrebs>does anyone know if madwifi supports ralink??
12:40<brunokrebs>apparently not right?
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12:40<kapil>dmg: then try the mount again.
12:41<kapil>dmg: if it is a dos disk you don't need to mount it. you can use "mtools" instead.
12:41<ranix>kapil: fdisk failled to write a block
12:41<kapil>ranix: but he wasn't root!
12:41<dmg>mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
12:41<ranix>you can run fdisk without being root?
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12:42<kapil>ranix: maybe you're right :-(
12:42<dmg>so the disk is dead?
12:42<ranix>dmg: did you touch it
12:42<dmg>touch what ?
12:42<ranix>the floppy diskette
12:42<dmg>meaning ?
12:43<ranix>if you picked it up with your fingers, that's a 25% chance of the disk being dead right there
12:43<kapil>dmg: does ls -l /dev/fd0 show you a blow device?
12:43<dmg>let me check
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12:43<ranix>if you then put the disk in a computer I'd add 5% to that chance
12:44<kapil>ranix: floppies aren't that fragile!
12:44<witte>brunokrebs: no, use rt2x00
12:44<dmg>brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 2, 0 2008-02-09 12:37 /dev/fd0
12:44<ranix>kapil: I'm being kind of facetious, but one in three floppies will die randomly for no reason
12:44<brunokrebs>oh ok thx witte
12:44<witte>!tell brunokrebs about rt2x00
12:45<Sweeney-Todd>GhostlyDeath: I have got the answer. It appears to be a bug no solution just yet
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12:45<ranix>remember when we used to have to store reports and letters and shit on floppies
12:45<ranix>good lord that was horrible
12:45<kapil>ranix: you just gave two reasons :-)
12:45<mralk3>has anyone successfully patched the 2.6.24 kernel source to run with OpenVZ?
12:45<ranix>if you copied your report to three separate floppy diskettes you still weren't safe
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12:46<kapil>ranix: you're telling me. i lost my thesis to a 5+1/4" floppy. now all i have is a scanned copy.
12:46<dmg>brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 2, 0 2008-02-09 12:37 /dev/fd0 what is that mean ?
12:47<ranix>the worst I ever lost was a biography of mark twain
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12:47<ranix>my pop got an LS120
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12:47<kapil>dmg: it means that your device files are fine. the problem is likely to be the floppy.
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12:48<kapil>dmg: last and final test. run (as root) "dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=512 count=2"
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12:48<ranix>trueno: MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING
12:48<dmg>kapil: dd: opening `/dev/fd0': No such device or address
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12:49<kapil>dmg: floppy is in the drive i suppose? if so it is dead.
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12:50<brunokrebs>hey, witte how would I configure rt2x00 and my ralink wireless card to connect to my network, through command line?
12:50<kapil>dmg: it is also possible that the drive is not connected. did the light come on on the drive?
12:50<brunokrebs>if is not too much to ask :P
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12:52<trueno>Hi! I have a box with nfs+samba+mlnet+apache+ssh installed. I am experiencing high latencies with ssh and nfs (I can't mount NFS shares and ssh echos are very slow). Is there a way to prioritize traffic directed to nfs, ssh, ...
12:52<trueno>samba and apache over mlnet?
12:52<dmg>kapil: when i insert floppy in there , green light comes on
12:52<trueno>ranix: ???
12:52<trueno>ranix: multi-track what??
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12:52<dmg>kapil: floppy wasnt in the drive when i tried that
12:53<kapil>dmg: when you run the dd command as given above does the drive make any sign of activity (blinking lights, whirring sounds ...?)
12:53<dmg>kapil: yeah green light comes on
12:54<dmg>dd: reading `/dev/fd0': Input/output error
12:54<dmg>0+0 records in
12:54<dmg>0+0 records out
12:54<dmg>0 bytes (0 B) copied, 19.2027 seconds, 0.0 kB/s
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12:54<kapil>dmg: then the floppy *is* dead.
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12:54<dmg>got disconnected there
12:54<kapil>dmg: don't paste here you'll get kicked by dpkg as just happened!
12:55<mralk3>i am trying to pacth the 2.6.24 vanilla kernel source with the open vz patches in the debian repositories. I am running lenny, and am not sure if it will work. anyone done it?
12:55<dmg>any way thats what it said when i tried with the disk inside
12:55<kapil>dmg: anyway. it looks like the floppy is dead.
12:55<dmg>kapil: ok thx, thats good to know
12:55<kapil>dmg: the correct output should have been something like 2+0 records in etc.
12:55*brunokrebs slaps brunokrebs around a bit with a large trout
12:56<dmg>i'll hook up another one and try again
12:56<amphi>mralk3: vanilla 2.6.24 works fine here - I have no idea whether your patch applies cleanly - why not try?
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12:57<mralk3>amphi: i dont want to waste time. took less time to ask than do it and screw around with it. ;) thanks
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12:58<amphi>mralk3: doesn't take long to do patch -pn < foo ;)
12:58<mralk3>indeed. i was trying a patch i got off of a openvz dev site. going to try the .deb one now
12:59<mralk3>changelog says it worked in ubuntu, but only on 2.6.18 in debian
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13:01<ahiur>mi ne
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13:03<mralk3>amphi: it fails. doesnt apply cleanly
13:03<amphi>mralk3: :(
13:03<dmg>kapil: i just hooked up another one and i get 2+0 record in and out
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13:04<mralk3>ill figure it out real quick
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13:17<mralk3>amphi: did you use the vanilla source from it does not apply cleanly no matter what i do. im at 2.6.24 even
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13:27<Terr1>After upgrading to 2.6.24 kernel, im getting: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote, when trying to ssh it.. hosts.deny is empty and hosts.allow ALL: ALL ? any ideas?
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13:39<psykin>what install my sound notebook dv2000
13:39<psykin>what install my sound notebook dv2000?
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13:40<valdyn>Terr1: you might need to clean up ~/.ssh/known_hosts on the remote host, iirc
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13:42<valdyn>!debug ssh
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13:42<valdyn>aww, no dpkg
13:45<Supaplex>dpkg: test
13:45<dpkg>Test Failed.
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13:45<Supaplex>ssh -v or -vv is good for debugging
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13:48<Terr1>Tried to remove ssh and install it again no luck hmmmm
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13:52<Terr1>the ssh -vv dont really show anything usefull only the error text
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13:55<sco50000>are there any packages in debian for defragging FAT32 fs?
13:56<Supaplex>mkfs.ext3 ;)
13:57<sco50000>Supaplex: but then windows wouldn't like my USB stick anymore :)
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13:58<Supaplex>there are ext2/3 drivers for windows. I wonder if they support writing.
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13:58<Tarcas>Have Windows do the defrag while you search for the Linux utility to use next time. ;-)
13:58<Franki>Alsaplayer needs 10minutes and more to just load playlist. How can I stop alsaplayer from checking every file on playlist loads?
13:59<Franki>Please, help
13:59<sco50000>hmm, i thought it would have been easy to find a FAT defreagger
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14:02<valdyn>Franki: why use alsaplayer?
14:02<valdyn>Franki: its junk
14:02<valdyn>Franki: unmaintained
14:04<Franki>valdyn: unmaintained? how comes I missed that?
14:04<valdyn>Franki: missed? its been half a decade?
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14:05<valdyn>Franki: not the package is unmaintained, the upstream source is basically
14:05<Franki>valdyn: because I find it's a nice text-based player
14:05<amphi>Franki: moc is a decent text-based player IMHO
14:05<MasterZ>Hello everyone, I have a *hopefully* fairly easy question to ask
14:06<MasterZ>how do I see what is plugged into the USB ports and
14:06<valdyn>MasterZ: lsusb
14:06<amphi>MasterZ: lsusb
14:06<MasterZ>how do I mount a hdd that is plugged in to one
14:06<Franki>valdyn: ahem? The last date on is November 3, 2007
14:06<Franki>valdyn: that's not quiet outdated.
14:07<MasterZ>so my hdd is on Bus 005 Device 002, how do I mount it?
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14:07<valdyn>Franki: its originally a demo program by jaroslaw kysela (sp), the original alsa maintainer, appearantly some people are working on it since last year
14:07<valdyn>Franki: i dont know how much that sais about its quality
14:08<amphi>MasterZ: if you look at /var/log/syslog, you should see what device is assigned to it
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14:08<Franki>valdyn: well, it's actually quiet good. The source looks nice, it plays efficient and needs only few memory.
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14:09<Franki>valdyn: it only lacks proxy support and has the disadvantage of checking all files in a playlist if you load it.
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14:10<MasterZ>I thought the lsusb told me what devices were plugged in?
14:10<Supaplex>MasterZ cat /proc/partitions to see what devices are active
14:10<valdyn>Franki: it does
14:10<MasterZ>I just want to know how to mount that device now that I know where it is
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14:11<MasterZ>no usb devices are active
14:11<Supaplex>it'll be /dev/sdXXX
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14:12<Supaplex>disconnect the drive, wait a few sec, and compare
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14:12<Franki>valdyn: then how does it come that moc depends on libjack0.100.0-0 ?
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14:12<MasterZ>okay, so it is tied to sda sda1 sda2 sda3
14:14<amphi>MasterZ: those are the partition on the disk; mount them as you would any other partition
14:14<MasterZ>oh, okay
14:14<amphi>MasterZ: you can use pmount, to easily mount removable devices as $USER
14:14<amphi>MasterZ: pmount /dev/sda1 will mount it into /media/sda1
14:14<amphi>for exampke
14:14<amphi>*example even
14:15<MasterZ>how does pmount differ from mount?
14:15<dpkg>[pmount] an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as usb flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, pmount /dev/sda1 mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
14:15<Franki>when I actually don't use nor have jack installed?
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14:17<MasterZ>df works to show the used disk space of a disk, but how can I tell how much space a folder is using?
14:17<amphi>"(but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount)", heh
14:18<amphi>MasterZ: du [-hs]
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14:18<MasterZ>thanks for all this help guys, I really appreciate it :)
14:18<MasterZ>trying to do some disk maint then setting up samba and running a file server off this box
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14:19<amphi>MasterZ: if that disk is to be connected permanently, it might be worth adding an entry to /etc/fstab
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14:20<MasterZ>I'll do that
14:20<MasterZ>I'm using an NSLU2 (linksys fileserver), but one of the disks is completely full and will not let me format it or do anythign with it since it is full
14:20<MasterZ>so I'm loading it up in debian to figure out which directory to blow away without messing up teh stuff that the nslu2 needs
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14:21<MasterZ>then hooking up a 750 gig to debian for a permanant file server separate from the NSLU2 and copying the files over
14:21<MasterZ>hopefull I can figure it all out today :)
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14:33<xs>is selinux dead on debian? i'm finding bugs, with fixes in bts, that haven't been fixed up (or even responded to) for over six months.
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14:35<aptituz>xs: there is a thread on debian-devel about selinux, yes its not so good maintained currently
14:35<aptituz>but there are some people who are about to change that
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14:35<xs>aptituz: great! thanks :)
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14:36<xs>refpolicy has changed a lot since the version in testing
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14:39<MasterZ>okay, I probably just missed it in the man pages, but how do I unmount with pmount? Is it punmount?
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14:41<morpheus>hi toall
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14:41<Torsten_W>MasterZ: i would try pumount
14:42<MasterZ>I guess I need to get out of the directory before I umount it :)
14:42<MasterZ>hmm, it still says device is busy
14:43<MasterZ>the partition I never accessed umounted, but this one will not
14:43<xs>MasterZ: fuser -u /path/to/mount_point
14:44<xs>or fuser -u -v
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14:44<MasterZ>nothing came up, but still can't umount
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14:44<Torsten_W>MasterZ: then use lsof
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14:45<MasterZ>ah, I stopped a really long du process :)
14:46<MasterZ>what's the easiest way to kill a stopped process?
14:46<MasterZ>besides killing each PID?
14:47<Tarcas>killall [procname]
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14:48<MasterZ>had to kill each process but oh well, I got it umounted
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15:16<knoppix_314>hey. where can i find glut libs for dabain?
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15:27<gd>Now my system nicely automounts external usb harddrives with ext3 fs on them. My only problem is that it mount them as readonly.
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15:27<gd>Its a Debian/Lenny with Gnome
15:29<valdyn>gd: how do you know they're mounted read-only?
15:29<gd>No, its gnome-automount
15:29<gd>I just plug in
15:29<gd>I can't create folders
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15:30<gd>"Create folder" is greyed in nautilus
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15:30<gd>My bad.. Root user can write on it
15:30<Supaplex>it forgot how? ;)
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15:33<gd>I want to write them as a regular user too, what should I do?
15:33<sco50000>gd mount them with the option gid=yourname,gid=yourname
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15:33<hejustrife>i have my harddrives mounted in /mnt/
15:34<sco50000>oops, first gid should be uid
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15:34<hejustrife>and if i navigate to say, /mnt/hdc1/ i can see the contents of the folder
15:34<hejustrife>but if i go to system:/media/ and click on a harddrive it tells me Permissions denied
15:35<hejustrife>anybody know how i can resolve that?
15:35<gd>Thanks sco, is it possible to change the automounter's behaviour, so that i don't have to mount it every time 'by hand' to fix the permissions?
15:35<sco50000>gd: i don't use gnome, so i don't know
15:35<gd>Ok, thanks anyway :)
15:36<hejustrife>any help?
15:37<sco50000>hejustrife: doesn't seem like a big problem to me, why is it so important you can access it from system:/media/?
15:37<hejustrife>so i don't have to navigate to /mnt/* every single time i wish to access ah hdd
15:37<hejustrife>would be 'easier' for me to click the 'system media' folder and have at it
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15:38<sco50000>isn't typing in /mnt/ shorter than system:/media/ o_O
15:38<hejustrife>i'm not actually typing system:/media/
15:38<hejustrife>i'm clicking a folder
15:38<hejustrife>that and i can't even access my usb drive
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15:39<hejustrife>which is auto-mounted but when i click it i get "Could not enter folder /media/usb0."
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15:40<hejustrife>any help?
15:42<sco50000>hejustrife: try google
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15:45<gd>hejustrife: are you using gnome to automount your drives?
15:45<hejustrife>sco, already tried, thats how i ended up here
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15:49<sco50000>hejustrife: i've never had trouble with automounting USB in KDE
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15:51<hejustrife>i can't get it to automount ANY of my hdd's
15:51<hejustrife>i have 6 hdd's in all and only 1 (the hdd debian is installed to) automounts
15:51<hejustrife>5 internal 1 external
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15:52<hejustrife>so i added the drives in fstab
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15:52<hejustrife>and it still won't automount
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15:56<sco50000>hejustrife: paste the line of one o fhte drives you added in fstab
15:56<sco50000>of the*
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16:04<hejustrife>sco: from hdc1 down is my doing
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16:05<Puzzled>I'm having astrange problem
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16:06<Puzzled>That is, after I type 'ifconfig' and then 'route add default gw', it just stalls
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16:07<Puzzled>That is, after I type 'ifconfig eth0' and then 'route add default gw', it just stalls
16:07<sco50000>hejustrife: sorry, i missed your paste, i'll read it now
16:08<sco50000>hejustrife: i would try to stay away from using ntfs with linux
16:08<sco50000>that's what caused the messing up of my winxp install
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16:09<hejustrife>i don't have winxp installed
16:09<hejustrife>just debian
16:10<sco50000>hejustrife: then i just wouldn't use ntfs at all, stick with ext3
16:11<hejustrife>but the drives are ntfs
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16:12<witte>hejustrife: but why did you install linux on ntfs?
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16:13<witte>hejustrife: or are those external harddisks?
16:13<hejustrife>4 are internal 1 is external
16:13<hejustrife>i have 6 in all
16:13<hejustrife>the only os on this pc is debian
16:14<witte>if your pc is linux, and no windows, there is no reason to have ntfs (there are many reasons NOT to have ntfs though)
16:14<hejustrife>i'm not about to lose 1.48tb of 'stuff' behind debian not liking ntfs drives
16:14<Tarcas>For the internal you want to stick with ext3 most likely. For the external, you may want something else if it's shared with a Windoze box.
16:14<hejustrife>witte, i had windows 1st, then i formatted to debian
16:14<hejustrife>so the additional drives still READ as ntfs
16:14<witte>hejustrife: ok, i understand, but it is not liking
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16:15<hejustrife>i see that
16:15<hejustrife>how can i fix it
16:15<witte>ntfs is closed source, so debian would love to understand :-)
16:15<witte>hejustrife: normally the drives should be readable
16:16<hejustrife>this is the 1st time i've encountered this problem
16:16<hejustrife>i was running sabayon a while back and it worked perfectly, it was just bloated
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16:16<witte>hejustrife: ntfs is a filesystem written by microsoft, and they haven't given the specs, the drivers are backwards engineered
16:16<hejustrife>i know that witte
16:16<hejustrife>but i have had it working before on other distro's
16:16<witte>hejustrife: i am only recently following this channel, can you explain the problem to me
16:16<hejustrife>seems to me debian (so far) is the only one that bitches
16:17<hejustrife>i have all my hdd's mounted in /mnt/*
16:17<avtobiff>hejustrife, you can install the fuse driver
16:17<hejustrife>already did avtobiff
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16:17<avtobiff>hejustrife, and read and write ntfs that way
16:17<avtobiff>hejustrife, is the module loaded?
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16:17<hejustrife>so yea
16:18<hejustrife>i can go to /mnt/hdc1 and the contents are there
16:18<hejustrife>but when i open system:/media/ and click a harddrive, i get Permissions denied
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16:18<avtobiff>hejustrife, so how is it mounted?
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16:18<witte>hejustrife: are you running etch
16:18<hejustrife>in fstab
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16:18<hejustrife>yep witte
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16:18<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. Usage examples:
16:18<avtobiff>hejustrife, yes but i mean with what options?
16:18<witte>do you have the drivers from backports
16:19<fenix>ola alguem pode me ajudar
16:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:19<hejustrife>one sec
16:19<hejustrife>[15:04] <hejustrife> sco: from hdc1 down is my doing
16:19<hejustrife>that's my fstab
16:19<fenix>help me
16:19<hejustrife>i already have ntfs-3g installed
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16:21<witte>hejustrife: the system:/media thing, that is in konqueror?
16:21<hejustrife>also have a little folder right here in my bottom panel
16:21<witte>hejustrife: it seems like an konqueror error and not a ntfs-3g error (you can see it mounted)
16:21<hejustrife>the drive is showing
16:22<hejustrife>and when i hover over the drive it says
16:22<hejustrife>Unmounted volume
16:22<hejustrife>Umounted Hard Disk Volume
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16:22<witte>hejustrife: can you mount them from command line?
16:22<hejustrife>when i click it (which should begin the mount procedure) i get Permissions denied
16:22<witte>and does the output change
16:22<hejustrife>i can mount from command line
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16:23<avtobiff>and list the contents?
16:23<witte>hejustrife: ah, could you put 'user' next to your mount options in fstab
16:23<witte>hejustrife: defaults,force,user
16:23<hejustrife>all my hdd's are mounted in /mnt (by me and by way of editing fstab) but it won't automount
16:23<witte>hejustrife: i assume you tried to mount it as root (and that worked)
16:23<W3ird_N3rd>is setpnp available in *any* package? It's not in pcmcia-cs, pnpbios-tools doesn exist (anymore?), I'm lost.
16:24<hejustrife>yes witte
16:24<witte>hejustrife: well, you wont be able to mount stuff as a user unless you have the user tag in /etc/fstab
16:25<witte>hejustrife: if it is not that, then you have to go through the konqueror menu's, and it will be some default that is different in sabayon compared to debian (i think)
16:25<hejustrife>editing fstab now
16:25<hejustrife>i mean opensuse worked, ubuntu worked, hell even freebsd worked, but debian is just giving me a hard time
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16:27<hejustrife>added user into fstab
16:27<hejustrife>and no longer getting permissions denied
16:27<hejustrife>not seeing any file listings either
16:27<hejustrife>gonna restart and see what happens
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16:28<avtobiff>hejustrife, maybe som umask or permission problems?!
16:28<hejustrife>that's what i was thinking too avtobiff, but i can't imagine for the life of me what the problem would be
16:29<hejustrife>what permission is set/unset
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16:29<avtobiff>well what are the permissions for the files etc?
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16:30<hejustrife>should be totally accessible by everybody
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16:31<scott_>is there a program that convert photos to dvd video i tried dvdauthor but it fails to convert
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16:40<dpkg>hmm... dvd is use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. see <dvd playback troubleshooting>
16:40<dpkg>well, decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at Not to be confused with <libdvdcss>.
16:40<W3ird_N3rd>*woohoo* *O* *HAPPY! My soundcard finally works!! Thank you all! And thanks to de Debian package maintainers for removing setpnp from every possible package in the repositories. I had to get pnpbios-tools from de Ubuntu repo's to get my soundcard to work.
16:41<W3ird_N3rd>But I'm still happy: it works. Been working for hours on this.
16:42<avtobiff>W3ird_N3rd, what soundcard do you have?
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16:43<W3ird_N3rd>cs4237b. Cirrus Logic chip in a IBM Thinkpad 560X (Pentium 233 MMX) (see )
16:45<W3ird_N3rd>see also - as my BIOS has no options to set quick/simple boot, I could not disable this. setpnp is absolutely the only way to get it to work, and for unknown reasons it has been removed from all debian repositories.
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16:47<W3ird_N3rd>I used to be there, it still is there with Ubuntu - I seriously don't get. I'm really close to thinking a package maintainer woke up one day thinking "bright sun, life is good - let's remove setpnp!"
16:48<abrotman>!find setpnp etch
16:48<abrotman>is it for isapnp ?
16:48<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'setpnp' returned no results.
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16:48<abrotman>!find setpnp sarge
16:49<dpkg>Debian Search of 'setpnp' (1): (/sbin/setpnp) in base/pcmcia-cs.
16:49<abrotman>W3ird_N3rd: perhaps check the README or NEWS for the pcmcia-cs package
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16:50<W3ird_N3rd>already found complaints on google about it's removal. Already searched all package descriptions. It's really not there anymore. The pnpbios-tools package from Ubuntu dapper works though - de debian pacakge maintainers could even just copy that one.
16:51<abrotman>i didn't say to read package descriptions
16:51<W3ird_N3rd>abrotman, where can I find readme or news? (or is that in the package itself?)
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16:53<W3ird_N3rd> > "Thomas - I plan to move these tools to the pcmcia-modules package in
16:53<W3ird_N3rd>> the next release (due out shortly).
16:53<W3ird_N3rd>so they should be in the pcmcia-modules package
16:53<W3ird_N3rd>but the're not
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16:55<W3ird_N3rd>in fact there is no pcmcia-modules package. There is a pcmciautils package but there's no setpnp in there.
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16:57<abrotman>W3ird_N3rd: /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/
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16:59<witte>W3ird_N3rd: what debian are you using? stable or testing?
16:59<W3ird_N3rd>etch 4.0 stable
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17:00<witte>W3ird_N3rd: in sid (and probably also testing), pnputils exists, with setpnp in it
17:00<witte>W3ird_N3rd: i do not find it on etch, maybe it is backported?
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17:01<witte>W3ird_N3rd: it is
17:01<witte>!tell W3ird_N3rd about backports
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17:07<Terr1>Anyone know how to fix "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote" when trying to connect? hosts.allow/hosts.deny is okay.. Tried finding stuff on google.. cant seem to find a fix.. also tried to reinstall the package..?
17:07<W3ird_N3rd>witte, okay.. so it used to be available in sarge, it is available in testing, but it vanished somewhere in between and now needs to be backported (or downloaded from the Ubuntu repositories, which is probably faster in this case). Anyway, thanks, I didn't know about backports yet. Good to know that as well.
17:08<E0x>check your /etc/hosts.allow file
17:08<E0x>try add ssh:
17:09<Terr1>do i need to restart any services for it to work when file is changed or`
17:09<witte>W3ird_N3rd: probably there was a problem with it around the time etch was released (the ubuntu package you refer to is new, you could have just taken a testing deb as well, with the same chances of success)
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17:12<W3ird_N3rd>witte, I don't think that would have worked. Even the package from Ubuntu 6.10 didn't work, I had to go back all the way to 6.06 because the libc6 on Etch is too old
17:12<E0x>Terr1: /etc/init.d/sshd restart
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17:15<jMCg>E0x: s/sshd/ssh/
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17:19<silent>hey guys, how do I stop x with xdm running... xdm just restarts whether I do init 3 or ctrl alt bksp
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17:20<E0x>silent: logout from X , press ctrl+alt+f2 login as root then /etc/init.d/xdm stop
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17:23<Terr1>E0x, didnt help.. it worked fine before kernel upgrade to 2.6.24
17:23<silent>anyone know how to stop x without it restarting?
17:24<snogglethorpe>silent: hmm i always use: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
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17:25<snogglethorpe>silent: of course that assumes you're useing gdm...
17:25<silent>xdm and fluxbox
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17:26<snogglethorpe>silent: so the same might work with /etc/init.d/xdm
17:26<snogglethorpe>silent: havn'et tried it though
17:26<witte>silent: /etc/init.d/xdm stop should work
17:27<silent>witte, it says xdm is not running
17:27<witte>silent: you could also kill the xserver
17:27<silent>witte, it restarts
17:27<witte>silent: ps aux |grep dm
17:28<silent>witte, it says xdm is running pid 2369
17:29<witte>silent: sudo kill -9 2369
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17:29<witte>silent: rather first try without hte -9
17:29<silent>witte, then to kill x?
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17:34<W3ird_N3rd>I usually just killall xorg
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17:34<W3ird_N3rd>and killall xdm
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17:34<W3ird_N3rd>smells like some tasty spam
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17:39<klando>I want to make a debian buildfarm. Where are the debian scripts for that purpose ?
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17:44<silent>would sudo apt-get install kernel-source-'uname -r' give me the required kernel source?
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17:45<witte>silent: linux-source instead of kernel-source
17:45<klando>aptitde instead of apt-get ;)
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17:46<silent>klando, really?
17:46<klando>apt-get work
17:46<klando>but aptitude is now the usual tool to replace apt-get
17:47<witte>silent: and uname -r will give to much, just linux-source-2.6.24 on sid
17:47<valdyn>silent: it wouldnt, usually
17:47<witte>silent: to check which versions are available, you can do "apt-cache search linux-source"
17:47<silent>witte, I'm not sure what kernel I'm running, one second
17:47<valdyn>silent: also usually you want the headers, linux-headers-$(uname -r)
17:48<witte>silent: just one other thing, if you would use the command you gave, make sure the "'" are correct: ` and not '
17:48<silent>yes, I remember that
17:49<witte>silent: that would give you linux-source-2.6.18
17:49<silent>is my kernel old? should I upgrade?
17:49<witte>silent: do you have etch?
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17:49<silent>I believe so... is that a bad thing?
17:49<valdyn>silent: no
17:49<witte>silent: if everything is supported, leave it as it si
17:49<valdyn>silent: dont change a supported running system
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17:50<silent>it's a new install... I've been using debian and ubuntu off and on for a couple years... building a custom debian flux system now
17:50<silent>not sure if I need the newer kernel
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17:50<valdyn>silent: well, dont get a new one till you know you really do need a newer one
17:50<silent>valdyn, if I were to require a newer kernel, how would I go about upgrading to unstable.. er, testing
17:51<valdyn>silent: not at all
17:51<valdyn>silent: you would look at
17:51<valdyn>silent: are you doing this professionally or just toying around?
17:51<klando>or apt-get source -b
17:51<valdyn>silent: in the first case, stick to trusted and tested things... not testing, not unstable
17:52<silent>I want a stable desktop machine for working/entertainment
17:52<Terr1>I found my problem with "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote", I didnt have Unix sockets enabled in kernel.. gah
17:52<silent>possibly some programming/web design
17:52<klando>silent, go to sid;)
17:53<valdyn>silent: its always a compromise between stable and new
17:53<klando>and install apt-listbugs to checks things *before* install
17:53<silent>how unstable is new software? ubuntu seemed fairly stable on average
17:53<valdyn>silent: and new usually means that you get to do more work in maintaining than actually getting anything done..
17:54<klando>'unstable' in debian does not mean buggy package
17:54<valdyn>silent: you dont properly understand these terms yet, "unstable" means that it gets alot of changes
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17:54<valdyn>silent: it doesnt mean that it breaks often, but it means it may break anytime
17:54<klando>it means that release of softs are not stable
17:54<witte>silent: your kernel gets security upgrades, so it is safe to use it, only when there is unsupported hardware, you need to upgrade
17:54<silent>valdyn, yes, I experienced that a lot with wine : /
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17:55<klando>witte, or sometimes to use new API feature
17:55<valdyn>silent: thats different, wine will never be stable in that sense for more than relatively few windows software
17:55<silent>oh.... I may need the newer kernel then, I'll be running X-Fi drivers
17:57<valdyn>klando: debians unstable exactly means NOT that softs are not stable and debians stable exactly means not that softs are stable
17:57<valdyn>klando: it refers ONLY to rate of change and release critical bugs
17:58<klando>valdyn, yes I know, isn't it what I said ?
17:58<valdyn>klando: i guess you could have meant that :)
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17:58<silent>will I require the newer kernel for X-Fi support?
17:59<dpkg>The Sound Blaster X-Fi has no available open-source driver. From the ALSA soundcard matrix: "Creative actively preventing support due to no datasheets being released to ALSA developers". Closed-source, _unsupported_ beta drivers for 64-bit platforms are available from <>. These won't compile with GCC >= 4.0.
17:59<witte>silent: what is X-Fi?
17:59<klando>!build farm
17:59<silent>valdyn, there are proprietary drivers available to 64-bit users
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17:59<klando>rahh , *where* are the debian scripts for that ....?
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17:59<valdyn>silent: which wont compile with gcc >= 4.0.. good luck
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18:00<valdyn>silent: sounds like you need an old kernel, 2.6.18 from etch might not be old enough
18:01<valdyn>silent: which x-fi?
18:01<andresvia>Can the debian-installer ignore unsigned packages. I'm installing debian, throught netboot, 2 computers, one as ftp server with official last lenny cdrom mounted as loopback/...
18:01<silent>valdyn, once the driver is compiled can I upgrade to a newer kernel?
18:01<silent>valdyn, XtremeMusic
18:01<valdyn>silent: no
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18:01<silent>valdyn, I thought people had their cards working
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18:02<valdyn>silent: sell that thing on ebay and get something that is supported
18:02<valdyn>silent: or even better return it if you can
18:02<andresvia>It's the ...xfcd-cd-1.iso
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18:03<silent>valdyn, I've had it for nearly 2 years now
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18:03<silent>came from windows use
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18:07<valdyn>silent: maybe in a while, see:
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18:10<silent>valdyn, a kernel package is being held back, why?
18:10<silent>The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-amd64
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18:27<MasterZ>hello everyone again
18:27<MasterZ>I really want to thank you for your help earlier
18:27<MasterZ>but I have one more task that I will need help with (for now)
18:27<MasterZ>I have a new 750Gig HDD and I want to partition it, how do I do that?
18:28<Aleric>Hey hey! My new tool can finally read directories :)
18:28<Aleric>~/c++/ext3/main>./ext3grep /dev/md3 --print --block 2244608 | grep '^File name:' | wc --lines
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18:28<Aleric>Which is the number of binaries in /usr/bin :)
18:28<izua>umm, hi. i've been using this tute to set up my sound: I have debian 4, a c-media 8738 sound card and a big box where i throw wasted neurons.
18:29<izua>my problem is that, or was, that whenever i started the system, i had to run alsaconf as su to get sound
18:29<izua>now it doesn't work at all.
18:29<witte>MasterZ: you can use cfdisk, or if you want somethign graphical, you can use gparted
18:30<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
18:30<MasterZ>I'm sshed into the box, so nothing graphical
18:30<dpkg>i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
18:30<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
18:30<izua>at some point, i added "jack -d alsa &" in bash_profile, but that spit a bunch of error messages related to arts. i disabled arts from the control center, and now no sound at all.
18:30<izua>*prances around to imaginary music*
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18:31<izua>so can anybody help me fix it?
18:31<Guest953>izua: got alsa insyalled?
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18:31<andresvia>It's possible to accept unsigned packages during install I'm stuck.
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18:32<andresvia>Some boot parameter or something.
18:32<silent>I'm trying to install nvidia drivers, but I keep getting the "unable to find source tree" error... what package do I need to install to get the source?
18:32<Guest953>silent: kernel-headers
18:32<Guest953>andresvia: what?
18:32<Aleric>andresvia: if you have access to a terminal, and can thus run apt-get as root, you can do anything.
18:32<silent>Guest953, that's the name of the package?
18:32<izua>hmm, well, typing "alsa" says command not found. my guess would be "no"
18:33<Aleric>andresvia: you could install the keys, for example.
18:33<Guest953>silent: yes, but it mustmatch your kernel version
18:33<izua>but i installed alsa-base, alsa-modules, alsa-oss and alsa-source, with alsa-utils as the tute instructed
18:33<Guest953>izua: open a terminal and type alsa-config
18:33<Guest953>izua: setu our card that way
18:34<silent>Guest953, "linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version."
18:34<andresvia>I'm installing debian with netboot. Aleric.
18:34<izua>teh almighty bash forbids that. "command not found"
18:34<Aleric>andresvia: Isn't there a terminal under ALT-CONTROL-F1 to F6 ?
18:35<Aleric>What dist are you using?
18:35<Aleric>do you have wget ?
18:35<Aleric>on that machine that is
18:35<Guest953>izua: become root and then type alsa-config
18:36<andresvia>I have no internet in the computer trying to install debian.
18:36<izua>Guest953: i did su at some previous point. i know it since su won't ask the pass again.
18:36<Aleric>andresvia: does it say which key is missing?
18:37<Guest953>type alsa and then press tab, what are the options?
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18:37<izua>alsaconf alsactl alsamixer alsamixergui alsaplayer
18:37<Guest953>alsaconf hats the buga
18:37<Guest953>type that
18:38<andresvia>I just want to know if it is possible to accept unsigned packages. I'm serving the repositories from my another computer with FTP.
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18:38<izua>i did that a bit earlier. ain't working.
18:38<izua>i tried speaker-test
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18:38<Guest953>izua: whats ya soundcard?
18:39<izua>c-media with 8738 chip
18:39<Aleric>andresvia: I don't know if you can do that from a batch. Of course you get in a terminal - but I guess you're not going to run apt-get by hand for every file you need to install.
18:39<Guest953>c-media should be autosupported
18:39<izua>it worked a bit earlier
18:39<Guest953>install oss and try that
18:39<izua>but only until reboot
18:40<izua>i wrote "jack -d alsa &" at bash_profile
18:40<Aleric>andresvia: There are commandline options to apt-get etc that will install silently, even without key. I think your best bet is to install the key though (even if you have to copy the key over by floppy)
18:40<brunoskrebs>how do I check if usb is recognized by debian?
18:40<izua>got a few errors, removed that line, and now it's not working at all.
18:40<Guest953>brunoskrebs: open aterminal and type lsusd, look for whatever you added
18:41<witte>brunoskrebs: after inserting the device, look in dmesg
18:41<Guest953>lsusb sorry'
18:41<andresvia>I'm in the Debian Installer. 2 computers, netboot, no internet, client without cd drive, server with FTP loopback mounted debian iso, can't continue the instalation because the packages are not signed.
18:42<brunoskrebs>usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 (I plugged an usb mouse) witte
18:42<brunoskrebs>but it is not working on kde
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18:42<witte>brunoskrebs: so your mouse is recognised
18:42<izua>#join lol
18:43<sco50000>i'm trying to use jigdo to download a debian ISO, but it keeps telling me 19 files couldn't be downloaded
18:43<brunoskrebs>witte, uhmm and do I have to install another package to make kde recognize it?
18:43<Aleric>andresvia: try running 'apt-get update' in a terminal... that might get a missing Release.gpg
18:43<izua>this debian thing is too hard for my brain's cpu..
18:43<witte>brunoskrebs: don't know how to get it recognized in kde
18:43<brunoskrebs>izua, is just a matter of time and you get used
18:44<brunoskrebs>witte ok thx
18:44<Guest953>brunoskrebs: no
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18:44<Guest953>brunoskrebs: opena terminal and type dmesg | grep usb
18:45<brunoskrebs>Guest953, I plugged it after starting kde, so now I reset it to see if pluggin before it recognizes
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18:45<Guest953>brunoskrebs: whats ur mouse?
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18:46<brunoskrebs>Guest953, genius is all that I know about it
18:46<Guest953>brunoskrebs: shouldnt matter if its recod=gnixed it should be fine
18:47<brunoskrebs>Guest953, well in the first attempt it didnt work, lets see now when I startx again
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18:47<brunoskrebs>yes now it worked, after rebooting
18:48<Guest953>brunoskrebs: LOL
18:48<brunoskrebs>maybe I didnt load a module or something like this?
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18:48<andresvia>Aleric, there is not yet "apt-get" in this step of the instalation.
18:49<Guest953>brunoskrebs: or x needed to identify it and rite that to xorg
18:49<brunoskrebs>Guest953 ahmm I see
18:50<izua>i'm planning to completly remove alsa and jack and then reinstalling
18:50<izua>(the old windows way :P)
18:50<izua>any chance of this working?
18:50<MasterZ>is there anything special you have to do to recognize an unformatted hdd?
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18:51<MasterZ>I tried cat /proc/partitions and all that shows up is sda
18:51<MasterZ>and I can't mount it
18:51<Guest953>MasterZ: you need to use a partitoner to format it, then you can mount it
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18:51<MasterZ>when I run cfdsk it does not show it in the list
18:52<Guest953>MasterZ: Gnome or KDE?
18:52<MasterZ>I'm not sure which version is installed
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18:52<Guest953>MasterZ: well u got me there, you cannot mount an unformatted drive
18:52<sco50000>i'm trying to use jigdo to download a debian ISO, but it keeps telling me 19 files couldn't be downloaded
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18:53<MasterZ>more googling after dinner :-/
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18:54<Guest953>MasterZ: google is god
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18:55<witte>mankod: cfdisk /dev/sda
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18:55<witte>mankod: sorry
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18:55<witte>MasterZ: that was for you
18:56<MasterZ>awesome, that worked thanks
18:56<witte>MasterZ: man cfdisk ;-)
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18:56<MasterZ>now to pick up dinner
18:57<witte>MasterZ: enjoy your meal
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18:58<brunoskrebs>is there a good GUI to handle rt2x00? or does it comes with one by default?
18:58*witte reflects on the fact that there is no "word" for enjoy your meal in English, but than again...
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18:59<witte>brunoskrebs: do you need a gui to build it or to use it?
18:59<witte>brunoskrebs: any network manager should be able to do that
18:59<brunoskrebs>configure it
18:59<brunoskrebs>oh, and can u tell me a good one for kde?
19:00<witte>maybe there is somethign in kdenetwork
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19:01<brunoskrebs>witte, you dont use kde?
19:01<witte>brunoskrebs: i used "apt-cache search network | grep ^k" to find some applications
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19:01<witte>brunoskrebs: no, i use windowmaker ;-)
19:01<silent>what repo do I need for flashplugin-nonfree?
19:01<witte>!tell silent about non-free
19:02<gsimmons>!tell brunoskrebs -about wireless connection managers
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19:02<brunoskrebs>witte, ohh never heard, I will google it
19:02<silent>thanks witte
19:02<witte>brunoskrebs: it is a debian package, just install it
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19:02<witte>or knetworkconf
19:03<witte>the latter will be better for your needs probably (note that i did not use any of them)
19:03<Aleric>silent: It was removed from testing/lenny.
19:03<brunoskrebs>witte, cool Ill do that
19:03<brunoskrebs>I like linux
19:03<silent>Aleric, why?
19:04<Aleric>silent: if you have testing, then have a look at under "Installing The Flash Plugin"
19:04<Aleric>(close to the bottom)
19:04<silent>Aleric, I'm running etch 64, what would the best option be?
19:04<witte>silent: oh, flashplugin is not available under etch 64
19:04<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to get 2 identicle NICs in my machine to work. The first works but I cant find the second in ifconfig -a and I can't find the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/net/modules.conf referenced in the ethernet HOWTO.
19:05<silent>witte, lies
19:05<witte>silent: i believe you can backport
19:05<Aleric>silent: then use etch-backports
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19:05<silent>I suppose those are a set of repositories?
19:05<witte>silent: what do you mean?
19:05<witte>!tell silent about backports
19:05*Aleric wonders why people never read the urls he gives.
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19:08<brunoskrebs>ahm, I built rt2x00 a few hours ago to support my ralink card, but I think it is not loaded or something like that
19:08<Aleric>My new tool starts to do something... this is my deleted home directory:
19:08<brunoskrebs>because kwifimanager shows disabled
19:09<brunoskrebs>how would I enable it?
19:09<witte>brunoskrebs: do you have the firmware installed
19:09<brunoskrebs>witte, oh I have no idea
19:09<brunoskrebs>what do you mean?
19:09<Aleric>The next step is to also show deleted entries ...
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19:09<witte>what kind of card do you have? a pcmcia, usb or fixed
19:10<brunoskrebs>I pluged it on a pci slot, so I guess pcmcia
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19:11<witte>brunoskrebs: pcmcia is for a laptop, something like this:
19:11<brunoskrebs>so is it fixed?
19:11<brunoskrebs>it is surellynot a usb
19:11<brunoskrebs>it is pci and I plugged it my self
19:12<witte>brunoskrebs: ok, can you post your lsmod and your lspci to a pastebin
19:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:13<silent>what are all the cool kids installing, lenny or sid?
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19:13<witte>silent: i have etch, lenny and sid, and "I'm cool'
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19:14<silent>witte, how much more stable is lenny as compared to sid?
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19:14<brunoskrebs>witte, my lsmod
19:14<silent>witte, I assume by installing sid I stay on the "bleeding edge"
19:14<witte>lenny is sid without the really nasty bugs
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19:15<witte>lenny is more or less sid, but with at least 10 days delay
19:15<izua>i was wondering, if i remove a package via apt-get or synaptic, is it really removed? (i'm a windows user, and i know stuff gets left after uninstallation)
19:15<brunoskrebs>witte, lspci
19:15<silent>witte, then I'll get sid, where is it to be found?
19:15<ricksie>Hello I'm a Debian newbie using etch and just checking is rarewares a good place to get precompiled audio stuff like lame or is there a better /approved way of doing this?
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19:16<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
19:16<dpkg>the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>
19:17<witte>brunoskrebs: modprobe rt61 (or rt61pci, not sure, try both)
19:17<silent>to my understanding the distro development occurs as such: packages are added to sid, flow to testing through lenny then end up in etch... will lenny become stable, etch deprecated, and sid remain unstable, calling for another name for testing?
19:17<lupine>rt61pci is the rt2x00 driver
19:18<lupine>rt61 the legacy driver
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19:18<witte>silent: this is wrong
19:18<brunoskrebs>hum, maybe I didnt build it properly, both modules not found
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19:18<witte>brunoskrebs: in that case, your rt2x00 is not installed correctly
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19:18<brunoskrebs>yes, I will try to manage that
19:18<lupine>don't forget you need the firmware file
19:18<brunoskrebs>what is this?
19:18<brunoskrebs>firmware for what?
19:19<lupine>the rt61 card
19:19<ricksie>So is there abetter way of getting lame for Debian - I couldn't find it in the aptitude sources
19:19<lupine>rt61pci requires the non-free firmware
19:19<brunoskrebs>and what would be this file? how do I do?
19:19<lupine>the firmware-ralink package
19:19<witte>silent: packages enter sid (or experimental) and then go to testing. If testing is found stable enough, testing (now lenny) becomes stable
19:19<lupine>hmm, rt61 needs it too
19:19<lupine>firmware-ralink is in non-free
19:19<lupine>both sid and lenny
19:20<izua>also, another question: how do i get /usr/src/linux/Documentation ?
19:20<izua>various stuff references it
19:20<izua>but i don't have the Documentation folder..
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19:20<witte>silent: and stable is, well, stable until a next release (only security updates happen in stable)
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19:20<brunoskrebs>ok, I think that my /etc/apt/source.list does not have non-free repositories
19:21<witte>brunoskrebs: read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian on install instructions
19:21<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
19:21<silent>witte, so lenny would replace etch as stable, leaving room for a new testing distro? sid is always unstable, right?
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19:21<witte>silent: yes, that is it
19:21<dpkg>[debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
19:21<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the repository.
19:21<witte>!tell Guest966 about self tell
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19:22<ricksie>dpkg thanks that's just what I was looking for
19:22<dpkg>my pleasure, ricksie
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19:22<silent>ok, so where do I get sid images?
19:23<witte>Guest966: oops, sorry, did not see you were answering ricksie
19:23<witte>silent: did you have a look at the thing dpkg told about sid?
19:23<lupine>brunoskrebs: so add them :D
19:24<brunoskrebs>could someone tell me the non-free repository?
19:24<brunoskrebs>lupine yes thats what Im going to do
19:25<silent>witte, is sid a mystical unavailable distro?
19:25<ricksie>right that's it for tonight I'll sort that and then to bed Nite!
19:25<witte>!tell brunoskrebs about non-free
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19:25<witte>silent: no, but if you can't figure out, maybe it is better that you don't use it :-)
19:26<witte>silent: it is just the same as stable, but replace etch or stable with sid or unstable
19:26<lupine>it's a pretend distro
19:26<witte>silent: it is just on your own risk
19:26<lupine>in actuality, it's an angry godf
19:26<lupine>if you want it to work for you, you must feed it babies
19:26<lupine>preferably fresh ones
19:27<lupine>om nom nom nom, etc
19:27<izua>like, ones just born?
19:27<izua>or babies that haven't been killed and left to die? :/
19:27<lupine>it's best if you get them pre-birth
19:27<lupine>the meat is more tender, that way
19:27<izua>not a lot, though
19:27<silent>witte, you just change your repositories and upgrade?
19:27<lupine>pleasing the great god sid is difficult
19:28<lupine>well, there's less oxygen in the womb, so the flesh is considerably less oxidised
19:28<lupine>add some fava beans, and away you go
19:28<silent>lupine, so basically, install lenny? ;P
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19:28<lupine>pretty much, yeah
19:29<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to install 2 indentical. The first works but I cant find the second in ifconfig -a. I've read the HOWTO to install more than one NIC and it talks about adding alias lines to /etc/modules but I don't see any existing alias lines. Do I need to add alias lines for the 2nd NIC to get it detected?
19:29<lupine>you can always pull particular packages from sid and experimental if you avsolutely need them
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19:29<silent>lupine, I'm on etch now, how badly would changing the repositories to lenny screw up my system?
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19:29<lupine>silent: it probably wouldn't do. But even with lenny, expect breakages from time to time
19:30<lupine>for instance, nvidia on lenny was broken for an awfully long time
19:30<lupine>it might even still be
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19:30<izua>*goes back to trying to have sound*
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19:30<izua>hi, does anyone know how to install sound on debian?
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19:30<silent>izua, alsa
19:31<izua>i've followed a few tutes, and none seeme to work right. :D
19:31<silent>lupine, nvidia is somewhat of a requirement for me
19:31<izua>yes, i installed it just now..
19:31<silent>lupine, although nv may support my resolution
19:31<dondelelcaro>izua: you generally don't actually have to install anything in particular.
19:31<lupine>silent: you can pull the kernel and nvidia drivers from sid if it's broken in lenny
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19:31<izua>well, what do i have to do?
19:31<lupine>is .24 in sid at the moment?
19:31<dondelelcaro>izua: just install alsa, alsa-utils, bring up the levels and make sure they're unmuted, and sound should work.
19:31<dondelelcaro>lupine: yes.
19:31<silent>lupine, ok, and do I have to download all 27 images.... that seems a bit excessive
19:32<dondelelcaro>izua: if it doesn't work after that, then you'll need to tell us hwat sound card you're using, what kernel, and the dmesg output appropriate to that card.
19:32<lupine>cd images? you can install from cd 1
19:32<lupine>you can even just grab the netinst cd, and download only the packages you need
19:32<lupine>(assuming you have easy net access)
19:32<izua>okay. alsa installed.
19:32<izua>i checked levels with alsamixer and they seem ok.
19:33<andresvia>I think i have found what I have looking for: debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true ! on !
19:33<silent>lupine, I cant seem to find a netinst for testing
19:33<andresvia>Gonna test it.
19:33<lupine>hmm. maybe it doesn't exist
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19:33<silent>lupine, is upgrade from etch possible... I have a very basic etch system set up right now
19:34<brunoskrebs>do I add non-free after lines as well?
19:34<lupine>silent: sure. just change etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade
19:34<silent>lupine, thanks, will do
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19:35<izua>hmm, now to test it. i clicked on some mp3, noatun launched a bit too slow
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19:35<silent>lupine, and secturity to "lenny"/updates, as well?
19:35<silent>security, even
19:35<izua>and i'm pretty sure it crashed..
19:35<izua>running speaker-test
19:35<lupine>silent: lenny doesn't get security updates IIRC
19:36<witte>brunoskrebs: i don't thing that is needed, but i am not sure
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19:36<izua>nope. nothing.
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19:36<mosno>lupine: i thought testing had some sort of security updates these days. i think its sid that doesn't get them
19:36<witte>!testing security
19:36<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny.
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19:36<izua>so, i'm running debian 4 r0 i believe, with a cmedia 8738 (or 8378 i always mess them up) card.
19:36<lupine>mosno: maybe
19:36<brunoskrebs>witte, ok, but I still cant find firmware-ralink nor ralink with a aptitude search
19:37<brunoskrebs>and I did aptitude update
19:37<witte>brunoskrebs: you are on etch?
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19:37<brunoskrebs>I guess
19:37<witte>could be that firmware-ralink is not there
19:38<MasterZ>What's better, having one really large partition or several smaller partitions each with a specific purpose?
19:38<brunoskrebs>so firmware-ralink is provided only for lenny?
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19:38<brunoskrebs>or sid
19:38<silent>MasterZ, either can be good, depending on what you need
19:38<witte>brunoskrebs: download this
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19:38<izua>isn't there a chance of having sound? :P
19:38<lupine>oh no, it's there
19:38<silent>izua, did you compile the latest alsa?
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19:39<izua>nope. i downloaded it with synaptic..
19:39<silent>izua, try compiling the latest... or does debian have the latest?
19:39<izua>how do i compile it?
19:39<lupine>don't bother with anything from the ralink site. it's garbage at best
19:39<silent>./configure && make && make install
19:39<witte>brunoskrebs: unpack it, or download the link lupine gave
19:39<silent>read the alsa howtos
19:39<witte>lupine: the bin files are the same...
19:39<brunoskrebs>witte cool
19:40<Filo_Flame>I've Debian 4 installed on a PowerBook; I would install a themes from gnome-look. Now I've downloaded the tar.gz file.. now I don't know what to do :(. Can u help me?
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19:40<silent>I'm hungry, snack ideas?
19:40<lupine>might as well keep it in a nice .deb wrapping though
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19:40<izua>izua:/home/izua# ./configure <newline> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
19:40<izua>what's wrong?
19:40<witte>brunoskrebs: afterwards, check that they are copied to /lib/firmware
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19:41<eldowan>I'm trying to determine the cpu temperature in this laptop. I have 4 entries in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone, and I don't know how to go about finding which ones apply to what devices. Is there a way to map these out?
19:41<brunoskrebs>I downloaded what lupine sent and after that I did dpkg -i on it
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19:41<witte>izua: the configure file is not in your home directory?
19:41<Aleric>eldowan: gkrellm has support for cpu temps
19:41<izua>oooh, it's a file?
19:42<izua>i thought it was a command.
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19:42<izua>well, where do i get that file?
19:42<witte>eldowan: did you install lm-sensors
19:42<witte>izua: which file?
19:42<witte>izua: configure is a standard script, many sources have a configure
19:43<silent>izua, those are commands you run when you have the alsa source, read up on compiling alsa online, the alsa site has excellent documentation.
19:43<eldowan>witte: yes. Aleric will gkrellm tell me which tz (or whatever sensor) is mapped to the cpu temp?
19:43<brunoskrebs>witte, yes I can see a few rt*.bin files on /lib/firmware
19:43<brunoskrebs>but still cant load rt61pci, maybe if I build it again?
19:43<Aleric>eldowan: it did for me
19:43<eldowan>Aleric: then I'll look there. Thanks
19:43<izua>why can't I just install it?
19:43<witte>brunoskrebs: ok, firmware is where it should be, rt2x00 is installed? lets try :-)
19:44<witte>brunoskrebs: modprobe rt61pci
19:44<izua>i mean, hmm, the simple idea of compiling something makes me shiver :))
19:44<brunoskrebs>thats what didnt work witte
19:44<lupine>don't forget to make sure that ndiswrapper and rt61 aren't running
19:44<silent>izua, the process isn't near as complex as you think it is
19:44<witte>brunoskrebs: m-a a-i rt2x00
19:44<lupine>also, remember that the driver is still being worked on :D
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19:45<lupine>IIRC it's getting integrated into the kernel tree soon/at 2.6.24, though, so it must be close to stable by now
19:45<brunoskrebs>what it would be m-a a-i??
19:45<silent>izua, you literally run 3 commands, and linux does the rest... just make sure you have the build-essential package installed
19:45<brunoskrebs>now it is building probably, blue screen with a progress bar :)
19:46<witte>brunoskrebs: module-assistant
19:46<brunoskrebs>ohhh I see
19:46<izua>hmm ok
19:46<izua>what exactly do i have to download?
19:46<izua>is this what i'm looking for?
19:47<silent>izua, looks like you're on the right track
19:47<witte>brunoskrebs: you have to compile the sources you downloaded
19:47<eldowan>Aleric: all gkrellm shows is the tz[1234] and the corresponding temperature. The cpu module doesn't show the temp either.
19:47<izua>so, do i get the kernel drivers? or the utilities?
19:47<izua>i also have alsa installed. do i uninstall it?
19:47<silent>the driver should be sufficient
19:47<brunoskrebs>I did it following the README.Debian before, witte, but maybe because I didnt have this firmware-ralink it didnt work
19:47<silent>izua, you can, use aptitude remove
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19:48<brunoskrebs>yes, now it loaded rt61pci witte
19:48<bernardo>how can I make a downgrade from the testing to the stable??
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19:48<izua>i know i can, but should I?
19:48<silent>izua, I never did
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19:48<Aleric>eldowan: maybe the information isn't available... can't you find out by increasing the temperature of one component?
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19:48<silent>izua, what sound device are you using, out of curiousity?
19:48<witte>brunoskrebs: dmesg and verify that
19:49<eldowan>hmm. I guess i could run stress, but I don't know what else that wil increase. I'll give that a shot. thansk
19:49<witte>brunoskrebs: if in doubt, upload it to a pastebin
19:49<izua>is there a way i can unzip and untar at the same time via console?
19:49<izua>i'm getting tired of clicking..
19:49<witte>izua: tar -zxvf <file>
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19:49<lupine>brunoskrebs: `ifconfig -a` should reveal a wmaster0 and a wlan0 (or similar interface)
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19:49<lupine>iwconfig should also show it up
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19:50<Aleric>eldowan: here it neatly showed CPU0, CPU1, CPU2, CPU3 ... you might only be seeing harddisks... You first need to be sure that one of those is a cpu at all :p
19:50<lupine>and plain sailing from there, as long as the rt2x00-source package is recent enough to cope
19:50<bernardo>how can I make a downgrade from the testing to the stable?
19:50<brunoskrebs>the signal strength showing by kwifimanager changes every second
19:50<witte>!tell bernardo about downgrade
19:50<izua>does it also work for bz2?
19:50<brunoskrebs>but it does not find any signal
19:50<brunoskrebs>and Im using this signal with this laptop in this very moment
19:50<lupine>brunoskrebs: do ifconfig <interface> up; then iwlist <interface> scan
19:51<Aleric>eldowan: harddiks will be in the 40-50 degree range, and the cpu 60-80 ?
19:51<eldowan>Aleric: running stress increased tz1 from 50 to 60 in less than 3 secs, and when I ended it it went back town fairly quickly. I'm assuming that one is the cpu. I'm on a laptop w/ pentium M
19:51<bernardo>witte: thanks
19:51<lupine>50'C for a hard drive is suboptimal
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19:51<lupine>30-40 is more ideal
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19:51<Aleric>lupine: but possible
19:51<witte>brunoskrebs: this would be the moment to try your downloaded network configuration tool ;-)
19:51<lupine>oh, yeah
19:51<lupine>mine run at 35-45
19:52<lupine>but if they were hitting 50, I'd start getting worried
19:52<Aleric>Mine are 40 degrees celcius - which happens to be the best temp (according to a testing involving all harddisks of Google)
19:52<lupine>mm, that Google paper is awesome
19:52<istoc>Is this piece of information in front of devices from lspci output the memory address for them? (02:02.0)
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19:52<brunoskrebs>witte, tyes im using this kwifi, but it is not good
19:52<lupine>istoc: the PCI bus address
19:52<izua>okay i've unzipped, and i'm running configure for alsa..
19:52<izua>it finished.
19:52<izua>what now?
19:52<dondelelcaro>Aleric: the point of that paper was that temperature was surprisingly irrelevant.
19:53<eldowan>hmm tz1 goes from 50-60, tz4 from 40-55. tz4 cools off quicker, but hearts up slower than tz1, so I'm not sure.
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19:53<silent>izua, sudo make
19:53<lupine>just make
19:53<lupine>you almost never need to be root to make
19:53<MasterZ>I'm searching google for a clear answer but I feel I may get a quicker answer here, When should i user Primary partition and when should I use logical partition?
19:53<lupine>and if you do, you should slap the makefile wrirter
19:53<silent>lupine, need it to install though, no?
19:53<Aleric>dondelelcaro: it was still interesting to see that harddisk live longer at 40 degrees than at 20 degrees.
19:54<lupine>MasterZ: if you need >4 partitions in total, use logical partitions. Otherwise, use primary
19:54<izua>ouch, CPUs are going 100%..
19:54<lupine>silent: yep, but running sudo make means you end up with a bunch of root-owned files in your ~ directory
19:54<lupine>which is hardly ideal
19:54<MasterZ>lupine: thanks :)
19:54<silent>true enough
19:54<brunoskrebs>lupine, iwlist wlan0 scan shows no results
19:54<silent>izua, good
19:55<lupine>brunoskrebs: anything interesting in dmesg?
19:55<brunoskrebs>lupine, wlan0 No scan results
19:55<lupine>and did you ifconfig wlan0 up first?
19:55<silent>izua, don't worry about your cpu usage, even at full utilization linux is good at managing cpu time
19:55<lupine>(iwlist doesn't work unless the interface is up)
19:55<silent>unless you're fork bombed
19:55<brunoskrebs>lupine, I did and it showed no errors, so I guess it was ok
19:55<brunoskrebs>dmesg? I cant read that let me look again
19:55<lupine>does your AP broadcast it's ESSID?
19:55<silent>restarting after lenny upgrade...
19:55<izua>neah, i'm more worried about the cpus. in windows, when the cooler started yelling like this, the temp was well over 70 deg celsius...
19:56<lupine>yeah, 70' for a CPU isn't that good
19:56<silent>izua, that's a hardware issue, you should clean out your computer or add more cooling
19:56<brunoskrebs>lupine, was that question for me? about ESSID and all? because I have no idea
19:56<lupine>or stop overclocking ;)
19:56<lupine>brunoskrebs: yep
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19:56<silent>lupine, I dont think it's possible to overclock a core 2 to reach over 70C
19:56<izua>i never overclocked. heh, i'll have to dom something about coolin someday.. :P
19:56<lupine>if your AP doesn't broadcast its ESSID, a scan won't find it#
19:57<brunoskrebs>what would be AP?
19:57<silent>izua, when your cpu dies, you mean.
19:57<lupine>izua: a stock CPU should never hit 70 with a half-decent case design
19:57<lupine>brunoskrebs: access point. your router. the thing you're trying to connect to
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19:57<brunoskrebs>lupine I see
19:57<izua>oh yeah, right, right XD
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19:57<Guest964>peeh amds or asus's do not support owerclocking correctly.
19:57<eldowan>Aleric: Can you configure gkrellm to be horiz instead of verticle?
19:57<brunoskrebs>going to access the router manager to see what tells about it
19:58<izua>well I don't usually keep the case covers on..
19:58<Aleric>eldowan: I don't think so
19:58<silent>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 312!!! not upgraded.
19:58<silent>what is this?
19:58<lupine>Guest964: I o/c'd my old Sempron considerably. It took it like a trooper.
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19:58<Guest964>gigabyte motherboard and intel celleron are supporting perfectly owercockin
19:58<lupine>silent: a dist-upgrade will pull them in
19:58<silent>lupine, I did a dist upgrade
19:58<eldowan>Aleric: Alright. It looks really nice. I was going to switch to that instead of a custom karamba app, but oh well. Thanks for the suggestion to try this app, I like it.
19:58<lupine>generally that happens when installing those packages will result in another package being uninstalled
19:58<izua>something tells me this is good "ALSA modules were successfully compiled."
19:58<lupine>you could also do an install -f
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19:59<Guest964>my screen was flickering last time when owerclocked it with easytune
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19:59<silent>lupine, errors all over the place
19:59<lupine>heh. you have to be careful with overclocking
19:59<izua>ok, running make install now
19:59<izua>yeah, or have liquid nitrogen around xD
19:59<lupine>silent: follow the error trail to find out which package is giving the error
20:00<Guest964>no if you are using amd or asus dont wory about owerclocking
20:00<brunoskrebs>lupine, well if I get it right the ESSID is just the name of my router, and it does have one because I connected to it with windows, ubuntu and debian(gnome) all on my laptop, and all showed the same name
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20:00<Guest964>it will not do it .
20:00<silent>lupine, I think I found it... it was complaining about an existing nfs mount... umounted, upgrades are going fine now
20:00<lupine>brunoskrebs: you could try filling in the essid/etc manually, and see if you can get a connection like that
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20:00<izua>brunoskrebs, the ESSID is the name you give to a group of wireless devices.
20:00<lupine>if not, I'd suggest trying a newer rt2x00 codebase
20:00<izua>and it's gennerally a bad idea to broadcast it
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20:01<lupine>izua: false
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20:01<lupine>security by obscurity is no security at all
20:01<silent>broadcase it or not, it's fairly easy to crack it
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20:01<izua>oh yeah, absolutley
20:01<lupine>any wireless scanner will pick up hidden essids anyway
20:01<Guest964>how can i activate ftp server on debain?
20:01<silent>give her a long wep pass, and hopefully you'll deter the lazy ones
20:01<lupine>Guest964: apt-get install <an ftp server>
20:02<andresvia>debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true does't work this is very dissapointing.
20:02<lupine>silent: any wep is pointless
20:02<silent>lupine, oh?
20:02<izua>but simply by not beeing there, you'll make the script kiddies look for someone else who uses wep instead of wpa
20:02<lupine>WPA with a long key is sage
20:02<lupine>or WPA2
20:02<silent>I see
20:02<lupine>WEP-128 and WEP-256 are breakable
20:02<lupine>/very/ breakable
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20:02<brunoskrebs>well mine is WEP
20:03<brunoskrebs>registering MACs wouldnt solve this issue?
20:03<izua>neah, you can always spoof it
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20:04<izua>make install said
20:04<silent>sudo make install?
20:04<izua>WARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!!
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20:04<izua>(After finishing)
20:04<silent>izua, yep
20:04<izua>so, i ran alsamixer
20:04<izua>and i learnt i have to press m to toggle mute
20:04<izua>but nothing reacted.
20:04<izua>does it show when a channel is muted ?
20:04<silent>izua, I'm not familiar with alsamixer, use the gui version
20:05<izua>hmm ok
20:05<izua>okay there's a crack coming out of the speakers when i click mute
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20:05*izua feels the Force
20:05<silent>try some tunes
20:06<izua>noatun crashed
20:06<lupine>brunoskrebs: MAC restriction is also easy to bypass
20:06<izua>running speaker-test..
20:06<silent>izua, amixer -l
20:07<lupine>that said, wep and mac filtering will keep out a fair minority of wireless 'hackers'
20:07<brunoskrebs>living and learning
20:07<ahall>evening, all
20:07<izua>that just gives a list of paramteres
20:08<silent>izua, arecord -l **
20:08<izua>kaboodle stops responding..
20:08<brunoskrebs>lupine, you were saying about filling the ESSID manually, how do I do that?
20:08<izua>just a list of params
20:08<lupine>iwconfig wlan 0 essid "myessid"
20:08<lupine>erm, wlan0
20:08<silent>izua, ARECORD -L not caps
20:08<brunoskrebs>lupine, yeah I guessed so :)
20:09<izua>izua:/home/izua# arecord -l
20:09<izua>**** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
20:09<izua>card 0: CMI8738MC6 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC6], device 0: CMI8738-MC6 [C-Media PCI DAC/ADC]
20:09<izua> Subdevices: 1/1
20:09<izua> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
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20:09<lupine>heh. fail
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20:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
20:09<izua>haven't really been on irc all that long ^^
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20:10<ahall>Question: after building and installing, udev doesn't populate much of anything in /dev
20:10<lupine>izua: can a root user get sound out?
20:10<ahall>No ttys, no disks (makes booting kinda hard)
20:10<silent>izua, pastebin lsmod | grep snd
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20:10<istoc>How can I differentiate between which NIC gets assigned what eth* with alias?
20:10<lupine>ahall: /sbin/MAKEDEV generic
20:11<ahall>Udev did seem to work in, though, and the config is the same
20:11<lupine>istoc: there's a udev script that does the work
20:11<izua>i just woke up half the flat on manowar :/
20:11<dpkg>rumour has it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
20:11<izua>so i guess, yep.
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20:11<istoc>oh cool
20:11<witte>izua: manowar is cool
20:11<brunoskrebs>wireless still not working :P, but no worries, tomorrow I strugle again :)
20:12<silent>izua, I'm guessing your sound is working then?
20:12<brunoskrebs>good night all, and thx for the help
20:12<izua>i guess too
20:12<izua>would it work after restart?
20:12<silent>izua, it should
20:12<istoc>But if I wanna add a new card do I just add an alias for it with its name ethN+1?
20:12<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
20:12<lupine>hey, what about kexec ?
20:12<silent>witte, I dont think he's referring to needing to reboot, more that it will still work after rebooting
20:13<lupine>and don't forget that most hardware is hot-swappable these days :p
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20:13<witte>silent: i know, but if he leaves his pc on, he does not have to care if it will work after reboot ;-)
20:13<izua>how can i get sound monitor (esd) to run?
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20:13<dpkg>esd is, like, the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon
20:13<izua>it says izua:/home/izua# esd
20:13<izua>/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
20:14<silent>witte, not all of us have such plentiful supply of electricity
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20:14<izua>i've got a bicycle hooked up t o a dynamo XD
20:14<izua>if that counts..
20:14<ahall>lupine: Just now did that. I'm in the maint login on the system under, and MAKEDEV generic errors.
20:14<ahall>lupine: might be because nothing's mounted
20:14<witte>silent: i know, i was just joking, i turn down most of my pc's as well
20:14<ahall>./MAKEDEV: 2181: dpkg: not found
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20:14<lupine>heh. that's not very good
20:14<ahall>./MAKEDEV: no support for generic on this arch
20:15<silent>witte, several clients and 1 server is the way to go
20:15<izua>okay, one more question
20:15<witte>silent: that is what i do
20:15<izua>how can i run sound as a user?
20:15<ahall>lupine: the disks are there in /dev/.static/dev. Let me mount them manually and see what happens.
20:15<witte>izua: are you in the audio group
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20:16<izua>i don't see an audio group
20:16<witte>izua: cat /etc/group|grep audio
20:16<silent>getent groups
20:16<silent>I could really get used to fluxbox, this gui is pretty clean cut
20:17<izua>i just got my prompt back
20:17<MasterZ> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
20:17<MasterZ> missing codepage or other error
20:17<MasterZ>oops, sorry, I didn't know it would send
20:17<witte>izua: strange, i got something back, and i am sure i did not add the group myself
20:18<MasterZ>uhm, by the way, the new disk that I just formatted will not mount, when I try to pmount it I get that error, anything I missed?
20:18<witte>MasterZ: can you put "fdisk -l" in a pastebin
20:18<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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20:18<MasterZ>thank you
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20:19<ahall>lupine: MAKEDEV generic is running, hasn't come back yet
20:19<ahall>Did something change in 2.6.22 that requires reconfiguring udev?
20:19<lupine>not that I know of
20:19<lupine>.22 was a bit of a white elephant anyway, though
20:19<witte>ahall: do you need a manually configured kernel? can't you use backports
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20:20<izua>oookay, how do i add myself to the audio group?
20:20<ahall>witte: probably don't need it, but I've always done it that way
20:20<ahall>I am running unstable, forgot to specify.
20:20<witte>ahall: it is just that the latest kernel is 2.6.24
20:21<ahall>witte: <nod>, but I can only find an exec-shield patch for 2.6.22.
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20:21<witte>ahall: in that case I would get the 2.6.24 sources, and start from there
20:21<ahall>Or is there something else I should be using instead?
20:21<ahall>(instead of exec-shield, that is)
20:21<witte>ahall: don't know what exec-shield patch is :-)
20:22<izua>should i even make an audio group before adding myself to it?
20:22<izua>or i just add me to it?
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20:22<witte>MasterZ: did you put a filesystem on those partitions?
20:22<witte>MasterZ: eg "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 "
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20:22<MasterZ>it just says fs type linux
20:23<MasterZ>I didn't do any command like that though
20:23<frantz46>yes Linux is very good
20:23<witte>MasterZ: yes, but you need to "format" the disks after partitioning
20:23<lupine>mkfs.ext2 -f /path/to/device/file
20:23<lupine>mkfs.ext2 -j /path/to/device/file
20:23<MasterZ>right, looking at mkfs man page now
20:23<lupine>(to get an ext3 filesystem)
20:24<witte>lupine: why not mkfs.ext3?
20:24<lupine>incidentally, how much overhead in terms of *latency* does journalling give?
20:24<lupine>witte: good point
20:24<witte>lupine: ah, ok, just wondered, maybe there was something under the hood that i did not know :-)
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20:25<MasterZ>I'm sorry if I am bugging any of you, trying to do this all with little linux exp but I am googling most of it
20:25<lupine>none that I know of
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20:25<izua>yay. manowar runs on more than root user XD
20:25<lupine>MasterZ: nah, the channel's here for support :)
20:25*witte wonders if under the hood is a good expression :/
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20:26<MasterZ>thanks lupine :)
20:26<MasterZ>normally people are jerks if you ask more than one question :)
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20:26<witte>MasterZ: that is because they do not know the answer to the second question
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20:26<izua>that's why it's a good idea to ask "can i ask you several" first.
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20:27<izua>though you'd loose your only shot.
20:27<lupine>nah. don't ask to ask
20:27<frantz46>somebody can help me to install ATI drivers for Linux debian please
20:27<lupine>just ask... and ask... and ask
20:27<izua>frantz, i installed some earlier for X1300..
20:27<lupine>frantz46: the fglrx driver?
20:27<izua>though i'm not really sure i can help
20:27<lupine>the ati driver comes installed by default
20:27<izua>aw cr*p and i went through all that mess.
20:27<frantz46>ATI mobility Radeon X1400
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20:28<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
20:28<izua>anyway, i owe some thanks, but i can't really remember to whom, since i've been bugging people for at least two hours
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20:28<izua>so, anyone who remembers throwing hints or helping me, please come forward and pick your beer.
20:28<hejustrife>thought i was gonna lose 1.48tb there =\
20:28*sward “remembers”
20:29*izua hands over some carlsberg
20:29*witte remembers as well, for me a rochefort 10 please
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20:30*izua passes more beer around
20:31<izua>as the joke went, 0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, take one down and pass it around, 65535 bottles of beer on the well.
20:31<izua>well, i'm off to restart this thing. hope i'll still have teh sounds then
20:31*izua keeps finger crossed
20:31<izua>damn it's hard to type with fingers crossed.
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20:32<bernardo>how can I backup my evolution data?
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20:33<dpkg>it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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20:33<user_>!install java
20:33<dpkg>Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin.
20:33<Aleric>bernardo: You could modulate a laser beam with the bits of your data and send it into space - then, in the case of a global catastrofe where the whole planet is destroyed, your data will still travel through the universe somewhere.
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20:34<bernardo>Aleric: that's a great idea!
20:35<witte>bernardo: find teh location the evolution data is stored, and backup it
20:35<user_>Aleric: dissipation rate overtime would render it useless
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20:35<lupine>the ultimate in backup solutions :p
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20:35<lupine>ever need it back? just send an FTL rocket with a mirror
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20:35*izua sighs
20:36<izua>no sound. the sound card isn't in the volume control list either
20:36<lupine>how about if you try as root? (aplay -l)
20:36<Aleric>OH GOD! I deleted my data, and JUST THEN my backup fall into a black hole!
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20:37<izua>the song shows to be playing, though.
20:38<noble->how hard is it to install fluxbox in debian?
20:38<sco50000>noble-: probably really easy, just usea package manager
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20:38<lupine>noble-: apt-get install fluxbox
20:38<lupine>um, you're done
20:38<abrotman>noble-: aptitude install fluxbox
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20:39<noble->that was fast
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20:40<user_>izua: type this: etc/init.d/alsa start and show me the output
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20:41<noble->how do I switch to fluxbox out of my current desktop?
20:42<witte>noble-: how do you log in? using a *dm (kdm, wdm, gdm?), just change your session at login
20:43<user_>izua: mmmm as root type alsa stop, whts the output?
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20:43<witte>noble-: in case you use startx, change ~/.xinitrc
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20:44<izua>bash: alsa: command not found
20:45<sco50000>icedove isn't connecting to with ssl
20:45<sco50000>how do i fix it?
20:45<izua>also, i don't see my card in the volume control
20:45<kmap>izua: /etc/init.d/alsa stop
20:45<izua>the one that just worked a few mins ago
20:45<sco50000>it keeps timing out
20:45<user_>izua: crap yes, type alsa stop and then restart it
20:45<izua>izua:/home/izua# /etc/init.d/alsa stop \n Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
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20:46<kmap>izua: Er, unload then...
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20:47<kmap>izua: What is your sound card? What kernel are you using?
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20:47<izua>cmedia 8378
20:47<izua>kernel 2.6 i think
20:47<izua>just for the records, i had three entries in the volume control
20:47<kmap>izua: That is a well supported card, I guess.
20:48<izua>two were there when i started the system
20:48<izua>after unload/reload
20:48<izua>there's only one.
20:48<izua>and no sound.
20:48<Loulou>Hello is ok for ATI driver For Debian
20:48<kmap>izua: OK...
20:48<kmap>izua: Could you just run alsaconf as root?
20:48<izua>yes, it's shown as supported on the alsa website
20:48<eldowan>Loulou: you want ati drivers dor debian? graphics drivers?
20:49<izua>okay, i see three cards
20:49<izua>i have two, and a "probe legacy" card
20:49<eldowan>!tell Loulou about fglrx one-liner
20:49<kmap>izua: You can choose the one you want, I guess...
20:49<Loulou>i need nvidia
20:49<eldowan>Loulou: nvidia is not ati
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20:49<Loulou>Yes ATI was for me
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20:50<izua>noatun crashed
20:50<kmap>izua: Er, I see...
20:50<eldowan>Loulou: look at the dpkg message that was sent to you. it will tell you how to install the ati drivers, called fglrx
20:50<Loulou>but me i 've nvidia too
20:50<izua>ran it as root, hail and kill started, i fell off my chari XD
20:50<kmap>izua: :-)
20:50<izua>but a moment ago i was in the audio group
20:50<eldowan>Loulou: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner
20:51<izua>and i could play tracks
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20:51<kmap>izua: You could also run it using a text based player like alsaplayer or mplayer to check
20:51<izua>installing mplayer..
20:51<sco50000>does anyone know why i can't connect to gmail in icedove? it works fine in Kmail
20:51<Loulou>Geforce FX 5700
20:52<Loulou>for NVIDIA to debian
20:52<eldowan>!tell Loulou about nvidia-oneliner
20:52<eldowan>!tell Loulou about nvidia one-liner
20:52<eldowan>Loulou: look at the message dpkg sent you. it instructs you how to install nvidia drivers also
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20:53<witte>foo: that command works on my pc
20:54<izua>mplayer appears to play sounds as a simple user
20:54<kmap>izua: What?
20:54<kmap>izua: Ah! But is the sound card OK now?
20:55<Loulou>now a have the graphic driver, how can i install compiz please,
20:55<izua>yes, it appeared as the only card in the sound control list
20:55<dpkg>i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
20:55<izua>registed with both alsa and oss
20:55<kmap>Well, I guess that settles it. :-)
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20:56<izua>yes, but if i restart, it won't work again.
20:56<noble->now vnc doesn't work
20:56<izua>that's exactly what happened before and the time before i came here, and the time before that.
20:56<kmap>izua: Then you have to find out what the module is, and ensure it loads at startup
20:57<kmap>izua: Could you please do lspci|less. and look for cmpci or cmipci there?
20:57<Loulou>thanks so much
20:57<izua>dude.. don't get me wrong, but i started with this debian thing less than two days ago
20:58<kmap>izua: OK. I understand.
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20:58<kmap>izua: Hold on.
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20:58<izua>i found this: 01:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
20:58<izua>no cmpci or cmipci
20:59<izua>i've done a grep on that too.
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20:59<kmap>izua: Sorry
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20:59<kmap>izua: Do lsmod, please
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21:01<izua>these lspci and lsmod commands seem useful
21:01<izua>i've alwasy heard tutorials talking about kernel modules, but i never knew how to list them
21:02<izua>nor edit them, for this reasons, but at least now i can see them.
21:02<kmap>izua: OK, so here's the deal
21:02<kmap>izua: To edit the modules, say add them in a running kernel, you can do modprobe <module>, and rmmod to remove
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21:02<izua>by "a running kernel" you mean that i won't have to restart?
21:02<kmap>izua: e.g. rmmod snd_cmipci should do away with your sound without reboot
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21:03<kmap>Then, modprobe snd_smipci should bring it back, I guess (not sure though)
21:03<kmap>Er, snd_cmipci
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21:04<izua>there seem to be a bunch of snd_* modules in lsmod..
21:04<kmap>izua: To ensure it gets loaded at startup, all you do is add snd_cmipci to the end of /etc/modules
21:05<izua>should i leave the "loop" line before or after the module?
21:05<izua>also, if i'm not bugging, to i have to write a command or something? or i just add snd_cmipci on a line by itself?
21:05<kmap>izua: Er, before you do anything, could you just do this?
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21:05<kmap>modprobe snd-cmipci
21:05<kmap>And tell me if it works
21:06<izua>nothing happened. i got my shell back instantly
21:06<kmap>izua: That is good! :-)
21:06<kmap>izua: Wait, to satisfy yourself, do this
21:06<kmap>rmmod snd_cmipci
21:06<noble->any ideas why vnc works fine on gnome but doen't work on fluxbox when I switch sessions?
21:06<kmap>Then modprobe snd-cmipci
21:07<izua>happens instantly
21:07<kmap>Er, yes. Anyway...
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21:07<izua>sound still works.
21:07<kmap>Add the line snd-cmipci to the end of /etc/modules
21:07<kmap>Leave other lines intact.
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21:08<kmap>THen, reboots should retain sound without black magic. :-)
21:09<izua>oook done
21:09<kmap>izua: I think this should do. :-)
21:09<izua>this vim thing is a bit too odd. but it looks useful.
21:09<izua>okay, let me try and reboot.
21:09<izua>or should it work the same if i just end my session?
21:09<izua>i mean hmm
21:09<kmap>izua: Reboot you should, to test.
21:09<izua>kernel modules don't get loaded at session start, now do they?
21:10<kmap>It's boot tiem. Not session start
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21:10*izua trusts the Force
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21:13<izua>nope. nothing.
21:13<izua>mplayer shows the thing as running
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21:13<izua>but i hear notinhg.
21:13<izua>cmedia is out again from volume control list.
21:15<izua>playing as root doesn't work either
21:16<kmap>izua: Argh
21:16<kmap>izua: One favour
21:16<kmap>izua: lsmod|grep cm
21:17<kmap>izua: Thanks, hold on
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21:18<kmap>izua: Strange. It seems to be there!
21:18<izua>dude, i have to thank you, i'm the one bugging here :P
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21:19<kmap>Hmm.. I think the reason is that the intel stuff is also loaded...
21:19<izua>that's my other soundcard, the onboard one.
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21:19<kmap>rmmod snd_hda_intel?
21:19<lupine>no, that shouldn't affect it
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21:19<lupine>you should be able to get sound out of both at the same time
21:20<kmap>lupine: OK, take over! :-)
21:20<izua>no sound.
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21:20<lupine>hah, no chance :p
21:20<izua>well, if I have to remove it it's ok..
21:20<izua>i used that for guitar processing, it's a really neat thing at recording
21:20*lupine generally uses onboard sound for VoIP
21:22<izua>*listen to new bands right from the garage, try the new GoIP! Guitar-over-IP brings the best of amateur garage guitar players right into your TCP stack! earphones not includfed.*
21:22<izua></cheesy tv announcer voice>
21:22<izua>well, i guess i can do an alsaconf..
21:22<izua>but i don't want to do it at each system start.. :P
21:22<kmap>izua: DO me a favour. Mail this to debian-user@lists.d.o
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21:23<kmap>(Just describe that alsaconf works, but startup doesn't)
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21:23<izua>should i list lsmod, lspci, dmesg, anything?
21:23<izua>computer specs, etc..
21:23<kmap>izua: It would be nice if you could list the last two pastes
21:23<kmap>(One was after alsaconf, one before)
21:23<izua>ok, i will.
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21:23<kmap>And some specs
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21:24<izua> ?
21:24<kmap>This sort of problem shouldn't happen.
21:24<kmap>Exactly. That's the place.
21:25<izua>tbh, i'm not exactly sure what to say, since i don't understand too much. is it ok with you if i attach the conversation?
21:25<izua>orr hmm, i think i'll just write a few words and attach it anyway..
21:25<izua>(if that's ok with you, ofc)
21:25<kmap>Up to you.
21:25<kmap>Why of course! :-) If more information is needed, people will ask you, so don't worry...
21:26<izua>lol, i have 666 unread emails.
21:26<izua>do you think if i reinstall the whole thing, sound will work?
21:26<kmap>It's like moving an elephant to lift a needle. :-)
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21:27<izua>can you please give me the link to the paste before the last one?
21:28<kmap>izua: OK, we'll follow it up there, on the list. See you later!
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21:29<izua>where do i find out exactly what debian i'm running?
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21:29<izua>cya and thanks for everything!
21:29-!-t4mpan [~aaa@] has quit []
21:30<izua>i know i have 4 but maybe i should send the minor and major number too.
21:30<witte>!tell izua about version
21:30<witte>izua: if you tell you have etch, which is up to date, they will know enough
21:30<lupine>izua: if you keep up to date with apt-get upgrade, then you're 4.0r2 by now, I guess
21:31<izua>i have 4.0 etch.
21:31<izua>i downloaded it a while on some dvds..
21:31<izua>haven't updated in a while
21:31<witte>izua: then first update, see if you still have your problem, and report it as "an up to date etch" if you still have them afterwards
21:32<izua>what do i have to updated, and how do i do it?
21:32<witte>izua: that would mean "aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade"
21:32<kmap>witte: How can you update Etch?
21:32<izua>would that require restart?
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21:32<witte>kmap: mainly security things, and new kernels
21:32<kmap>witte: That too, dist-upgrade?
21:33<kmap>witte: Only security stuff and RC bug fixes are included. I don't think new kernels are released
21:33<witte>kmap: i admit it will be marginally, but it won't do anything wrong
21:33<kmap>witte: That I accept.
21:33<izua>W: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
21:33<izua>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
21:33<izua>hmm ? is it done?
21:33<witte>kmap: there are minor changes to the kernel (like 2.6.18-6 is now in etch and not -4 where they started)
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21:34<witte>kmap: don't know if alsa is changed in the mean time
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21:34<kmap>witte: Then we should check the changelog for seeing what changes it had... essentially
21:34<kmap>witte: unless alsa changes were there, then there's no point.
21:34<witte>izua: what have you installed from backports?
21:34<kmap>witte: Besides, the card's working for him, only not at startup
21:35<witte>kmap: i agree, but it would be good that his system is up to date with security
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21:35<kmap>izua: Did you choose to access security updates during the install?
21:35<izua>erm, what's installing from backports?
21:36<witte>izua: you have backports in your sources.list file? what did you install from that server?
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21:37<izua>i have installed it from dvds
21:37<kmap>witte: Well, you take over, I'm off. But izua is a new Debian user, so be a bit kind. ;-)
21:38<kmap>izua: Paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin please.
21:38<izua>thanks kmap!
21:38<kmap>izua: Most welcome!
21:39<witte>kmap: I will try, but it is 3:30 here so sleep is attacking at the moment ;-)
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21:39<kmap>witte: OK... :-). BTW, security is there, so that's done.
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21:39<Supaplex>!caffinate witte
21:39*dpkg gives witte a bottle of Coke
21:39<kmap>izua: Just fire that mail to the list, still.
21:39<izua>ok, i'm mailing it..
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21:40<izua>whoa, a supaplex player :))
21:40<izua>!caffinate izua
21:40*dpkg gives izua a can of 'Jolt(TM)' and runs like hell
21:40<witte>izua: yeah, just make sure you add the output of "lspci" and "uname -a"
21:40<dpkg>i heard coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation,, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes
21:41<WhyACow>are mdadm/superblock questions appropriate for here?
21:41<izua>i added the two last pastes i gavee to kmap
21:41<izua>and the discussion after the restart..
21:41<izua>do i still have to do the update?
21:41<Supaplex>WhyACow: if it's about the debian distro, yes
21:41<witte>izua: you can, but i am not sure ti is needed
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21:42<witte>izua: it won't do anything wrong
21:42<izua>it keeps saying
21:42<izua>W: GPG error: etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
21:42<izua>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
21:42<izua>even when i run apt-get update..
21:42<Supaplex>izua: topic?
21:43<witte>!tell izua about no public key
21:43<WhyACow>i upgraded from etch to lenny to try and get vmware working, after the upgrade, my raid0 doesnt mount and appears to have superblock issues, ive tried looking on the net but i cant find anything quite the same with a solution. Can anyone suggest something?
21:44<izua>!tell izua etch key
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21:45<witte>izua: you probably want a key file from, look at that site how to import it (probably something like apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
21:45<Supaplex>erm, etch != etch-backport
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21:46<izua>ok i installed debian-backport-keyring
21:47<izua>i don't get the error message on apt-get update
21:47<izua>what now?
21:47<izua>aptitude dist-update ?
21:47<witte>izua: yes
21:47<izua>289 megs
21:48<izua>should take a while..
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21:48<witte>izua: i thing that is because it will upgrade entire backports to your server
21:48<witte>izua: not sure about that though
21:48<izua>what exactly _are_ backports?
21:48<dpkg>from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
21:49<witte>!backport caveat
21:49<dpkg>Beware that if you add to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports.
21:49<Supaplex>ewps. hahaha
21:49<izua>so i have an old debian?
21:49<witte>izua: you have stable
21:49<Supaplex>etch is stable
21:49<Supaplex>!tell izua -about downgrade
21:49<izua>so why can't i get the stable packages?
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21:50<witte>izua: in order to be stable, it has to remain the same (hence it will get older ;-))
21:50<witte>izua: you have the stable packages
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21:50<eldowan>isn't there an application that will let you see what codes a button press sends to the system from within X?
21:50<Supaplex>izua: what makes you think you are not using etch packages yet?
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21:51<witte>izua: why did you add to your sources.list? (i am not sure you need them)
21:51<izua>i don't know. this is pretty confusing
21:51<izua>i needed pidgin at some point
21:51<izua>and that's the line i was told to add in my sources.list
21:51<izua>pidgin is a client for im, somehow like gaim.
21:51<izua>(but i don't really like gaim)
21:52<witte>izua: ah, ok, the person who told you that, forgot that pidgin does not exist in etch, but that it is still called gaim there
21:52<sco50000>izua: pidgin is gaim with a new name
21:52<witte>izua: gaim == pidgin
21:52<dpkg>well, pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from, ask me about <>
21:52<izua>that tottally sucks.
21:52<sco50000>izua: what's wrong with gaim?
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21:53<izua>well, at the point i ran it for the first time, i didn't really like the interface
21:53<izua>but i got pidgin on windows about two months ago, and i used that..
21:53<silent_>I used mirandaIM on windows, it was nice
21:54<sco50000>yeah, miranda is nice
21:54<silent_>I use xchat/amsn now
21:54<witte>izua: just a new interface, new cover, same internals :-)
21:54<sco50000>i use pidgin/konversation
21:54<izua>i'll check that. does any of them know the yahoo protocol?
21:54<eldowan>At the console, when I press the mute button, I get this displayed: [25~ How can I map this to a function, or a known keypress? When I press the button in the "select shortcut" option of kde, nothing happens.
21:54<silent_>I'd say pidgin's your best bet for yahoo
21:54<sco50000>izua: you could try kopete
21:54<sco50000>kopete does yahoo
21:54<izua>ah, yeah, maybe they are same internals. but i'm pretty picky when it comes to interfaces
21:54<izua>*one of the reasons i switched to kde*
21:54<silent_>anyone else here using fluxbox and loving it?
21:55<izua>so to say, kde over explorer.exe :P
21:55<sco50000>i'm stuck with pidgin for the xfire support
21:55<izua>what's fluxbox?
21:55<silent_>pidgin supports xfire?
21:55<sco50000>silent_: with a plugin
21:55<sco50000>silent_: was very easy to install, they have .debs
21:55<silent_>izua, find out! there's so many choices in linux, you could spend lifetimes customizing and still have options
21:56<neekofab>I love Kopete more then gaim, but spell check seems to be broke in kopete
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21:56<silent_>sco50000, cool... I don't game much though, lost touch with that community
21:56<silent_>won a mobo/headset, good enough for me
21:56<silent_>got more important things to do
21:56<sco50000>silent_: i don't game much either, since i got linux, just talk to people
21:56<silent_>yea, pretty much
21:57<silent_>izua, I wouldn't recommend using fluxbox quite yet though, if you're new
21:57<izua>that sucks. i've gone here in the hope that programming will be a tad easier.
21:57<izua>i hope i won't get caught customizing stuff.
21:57<izua>though it's tottaly addictive in kde at least
21:57<silent_>izua, it's all how you choose to use your time
21:57<izua>heh, yeah..
21:57<silent_>fluxbox is nice in it's simplicity... there really isn't much to play with
21:58<silent_>not even solitaire! :O
21:58<silent_>it's nice though... I'll try using it.. might port it over to my laptop too, or leave my laptop to play with compiz ;P
21:59<mosno>there really isn't that much customising that really needs to be done in KDE... the defaults are mostly sane
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21:59<izua>well, upgrade finished
21:59<sco50000>i waste so much time customizing everything
21:59<izua>stuff started unpacking, cpu + fan becomes a handdrier..
22:00<izua>okay it says
22:00<izua>The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed
22:00<izua>and a long explanation
22:00<izua>i only have ok
22:00<silent_>do it
22:00<witte>izua: while you are at it, and you have backports, install the latest kernel: apt-cache search linux-image
22:00<izua>it said it will reboot
22:00<witte>izua: and install the highest version that agrees with your pc
22:00<izua>how can i resume it from where it left?
22:00<izua>after the reboot?
22:01<witte>izua: can you paste the exact message?
22:01<izua>nope, i hit okay
22:01<izua>it said i'll have to reboot and modules (?) related to kernel might have changed
22:01<izua>or something like that. i haven't really understood it.
22:01<witte>izua: you installed a kernel with the same version as your current kernel
22:01<izua>that's what the message said
22:02<izua>i only did apt-get distro-upgrade
22:02<witte>izua: it wont reboot, it said you should reboot
22:02<witte>izua: if i am correct
22:02<izua>last time i saw someone doing this, teh keyboard LEDs started flashing in a nice fashion.
22:02<izua>and X wouldn't start :)) i have a bad feeling, hehe
22:03<izua>is this normal?
22:04<izua>Setting up linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) ... \n Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/source
22:04<izua> However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory \n Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/source
22:04<witte>izua: yes and no
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22:04<witte>izua: the message is ok
22:04<witte>izua: but linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 not
22:04<izua>okay it finished..
22:04<izua>what now
22:05<witte>izua: you should have linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, or even 2.6.23
22:05<witte>izua: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
22:05<izua>well,.what do i do?
22:05<witte>izua: relax, i can't type that fast ;-)
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22:06<izua>okay, a bunch of lines with various version numbers came out..
22:06-!-sysop [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:06<izua>highest is
22:06<witte>izua: install that one
22:07<izua>which one?
22:07<izua>there are several..
22:07<witte>the -686 version
22:07<izua>486, 686, bigmem, amd64
22:07<izua>686 or 686-bigmem?
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22:08<witte>izua: 686
22:08<witte>izua: unless you have 4GB+
22:08<izua>how do i install one?
22:08<izua>nah. just one gig.
22:08<witte>izua: or 64 GB, don't know exactly
22:08<izua>i have another one waiting somewhere around. but the damn thing won't boot with 2 gigs installed.
22:09<izua>anyway, how do i install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 ?
22:09<witte>izua: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 (or something similar)
22:10<witte>ok, after installing, reboot, see if it works now with the new kernel
22:10<witte>if it doesn't, just email teh mailing list with all the problems
22:10<izua>if i'm not back here in 5 mins.. it didn't work :)
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22:11<witte>mention lspci, lsmod and uname -a
22:11<izua>tbh, i really didn't know what i just did.
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22:12<Supaplex>acroread is a memory hog, but it's the only pdf reader I know that'll fill out forms. gv, and kpdf don't appear to. any new suggestions?
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22:14<eldowan>Supaplex: I'm with you there. I haven't found anything else either
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22:14<mosno>Supaplex: evince?
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22:15*izua blinks
22:15<witte>!tell izua about reference
22:15<eldowan>At the console, when I press the mute button, I get this displayed: [25~ How can I map this to a function, or a known keypress? When I press the button in the "select shortcut" option of kde, nothing happens.
22:15<izua>apparently it worked.. from the first time
22:15<witte>izua: and sound?
22:16<izua>let me see
22:16<izua>or hear..
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22:17<izua>nope. i just see it.
22:17<izua>no hearing.
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22:17<izua>(as root)
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22:18<witte>izua: ok, so the problem remains, mail it to the debian-user list
22:18<izua>that reference thing is huge. never knew something liek this existed.
22:18<witte>izua: it is way over bedtime for me
22:18<izua>shame on me,never searched either
22:18<izua>same here. quarter past five..
22:18<witte>izua: ok, here only past 4
22:19*witte waves
22:19*izua waves back
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22:19<izua>thanks a ton, dude!
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22:24<izua>!tell izua about kernel
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22:29<izua>holy fuck, ms wanted to take over yahoo?
22:30<izua>( )
22:31<noble->I'm wondering what type of app this is in this screenshot, may I post the screenshot link in here?
22:31<abrotman>you can try
22:32<noble->specifically, over on the far right, I see these in a lot of screenshots, the app displaying all the system info like that:
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22:33<izua>hey what's cowsay? :))
22:33<beddamatrix>c'è nessuno???????????
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22:36<WhyACow>i upgraded from etch to lenny to try and get vmware working, after the upgrade, my raid0 doesnt mount and appears to have superblock issues, ive tried looking on the net but i cant find anything quite the same with a solution. Can anyone suggest something?
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22:45<Aleric>WhyACow: That sounds really bad ...
22:45<Aleric>Do you have a backup?
22:46<izua>is somebody kind enough to outline for me how kernel modules work ?
22:47<izua>i'm having a hard time understanding the idea..
22:47<izua>are they like drivers, in win?
22:47<WhyACow>i dont think its serious to tell you the truth but i dont know the answer....i believe i have to find the backup superblock locations but i cant figure out how to do that on a i do the drive (hda1) or the raid array (/dev/md0)
22:47<dpkg>methinks modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant
22:48<izua>so, modules are drivers basically
22:48<izua>thanks :D
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22:51<stuart>Can someone recommend a resource or a program to help me rip an encoded audio CD (which won't even play under Linux)
22:55<appaji>stuart: jack?
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22:56<stuart>appajo: ill give it a go
22:56<stuart>appaji: is that a program or a protocol?
22:56<appaji>stuart: a program
22:57<appaji>stuart: aptitude show jack
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22:57<stuart>appaji: ok thanks. Is there a frontend for it?
22:58<appaji>stuart: jack is the frontend.
22:59<stuart>appajo: ill try it
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23:16<MasterZ>I have the sshd service running, how do I see where it is being run from? I need to restart it and every command that I try isn't working
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23:19<MasterZ>I greped it out of the ps and saw it running from /usr/sbin/sshd but when I tried to restart it there it says that Restart is an extra argument
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23:20<crunge>Hi... I'm experience in linux but fairly new to debian. Is there a standard way of organizing persistent iptables rules?
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23:29<baldurk>hi, I'm trying to install from a netinst iso, but it seems to be having trouble at the ide stage while booting, giving an error about "ide-cd cmd 0x5a timed out" and "hda: lost interrupt". Does anyone have any ideas what's going wrong, or anything I could try?
23:30<lupine>hrm. for some reason, my (HP) USB scanner isn't being picked up by xsane. I /know/ it works with xsane because I've had it working before. Anyone have any suggestions?
23:33<lupine>ah, never mind. I seem to have it
23:33<lupine>requires hpoj to be installed
23:33<MasterZ>everything I find on google says you should be able to restart sshd by typing service sshd restart
23:33<MasterZ>but it doesn't work
23:34<MasterZ>error says: -su: service: command not found
23:34<MasterZ>also /etc/init.d/sshd restart didn't work either, file not found
23:34<MasterZ>any other ways to do it?
23:35<lupine> /etc/init/ssh
23:35<lupine>erm, /etc/init.d/ssh start
23:35<lupine>or restart
23:36<vsmatck>if /etc/init.d/sshd is not found then ssh server isn't installed or your install is messed up.
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23:36<vsmatck>oh oh, it's not sshd but just ssh.
23:36<MasterZ>there is no /etc/init.d/sshd
23:36<MasterZ>I do have sshd installed
23:37<MasterZ>cuz that's how I'm logged in now
23:37<MasterZ>remotely from ssh from my windows box
23:38<Tarcas>MasterZ: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
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23:38<MasterZ>that did something, okay so sshd isn't it's own process
23:38<MasterZ>now to see if I ca login from the net :)
23:38<Tarcas>sshd is the executable, but for some reason they named the service script ssh.
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23:40<MasterZ>that worked guys, thank you
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23:47<WhyACow>i dont think its serious to tell you the truth but i dont know the answer....i believe i have to find the backup superblock locations but i cant figure out how to do that on a i do the drive (hda1) or the raid array (/dev/md0)
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23:49<Tarcas>WhyACow: Don't touch the drives... ever. Only use the multidisk array.
23:49<WhyACow>yeah but how do i find the backup superblock locations for /dev/md0?
23:50<Tarcas>That I don't know... Sorry.
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23:56<izua>fortune -o ?
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