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00:14<mehul>I've got GDM installed, and I want to have it run VTWM, rather then GNOME. I need to pass some startup options to VTWM so that it behaves correctly. Where would I do that from ? Where does GDM store the information about how to call each of window managers it is aware of ?
00:14<lupine>mehul: in a bunch of .desktop files in /usr/share/xsession
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00:16<mehul>lupine: thanks
00:18<mehul>lupine: interesting, I don't have vtwm.desktop file there, even though it is listed in the menu list at the GDM screen.
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00:29<mehul>never mind, found it in /var/lib/menu-xdg/xsessions
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00:52<Guest1000>is there a way to re read my partition information back into fstab?
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01:03<alaya>Guest1000: well mount command will show you what is mounted with what options
01:04<Guest1000>alaya: /dev/sda3 on /home/user/documents type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [spare-drive] - see this it is mounted but I cannot write to it
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01:04<Guest1000>alaya: my fstab entry /dev/sda3 /home/user/documents ext3 auto,users,rw 0 0
01:05<alaya>Guest1000: permission issue?
01:05<Guest1000>alaya: i think so, do you know if my fstab looks ok
01:06<alaya>Guest1000: as far as i can tell.
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01:09<Guest1000>alaya: can i check what filesystem is on a partition?
01:09<alaya>Guest1000: mount command
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01:10<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to get 2 identical NICs to work. One appears in ifconfig but the other doesn't. I tried adding the following lines but I still can't see it in ifconfig. alias eth2 r8169, options r8169 io=02:01.0
01:10<Guest1000>alaya: so like /dev/sda3 on /home/user/documents type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) [spare-drive]
01:10<alaya>istoc: why the alias?
01:10<alaya>Guest1000: yes, type ext3
01:10<istoc>alaya: I read I had to from the HOWTO
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01:10<alaya>istoc: just ifconfig eth2 .....
01:11<alaya>istoc: aliases are if you want to use more than one address per interface
01:11<alaya>istoc: but even in that case, you still must configure the primary address first
01:12<istoc>alaya: The PCI address?
01:12<alaya>istoc: not needed
01:13<alaya>ifconfig eth2 netmask
01:13<alaya>ifconfig eth2 netmask gw
01:14<istoc>alaya: I'm not having any problems configuring the interfaces. I have one that doesn't appear even with the -a flag. I think I have to specify what driver it needs to use
01:14<alaya>istoc: did you ifconfig eth2 up first?
01:14<alaya>istoc: also try dmesg |grep eth to see if its coming up
01:15<istoc>alaya: eth2 is a new interface I'm trying to make. I didn't want to try to assign the card to a used interface number.
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01:15<alaya>istoc: its not a seperate interface?
01:15<istoc>alaya: Well, I want it to be.
01:15<alaya>istoc: wait. is it a physically separate NIC or not?
01:15<istoc>alaya: Yes
01:16<WhyACow>i upgraded from etch to lenny to try and get vmware working, after the upgrade, my raid0 doesnt mount and appears to have superblock issues, ive tried looking on the net but i cant find anything quite the same with a solution. Can anyone suggest something?
01:16<alaya>istoc: the system sets the interface number. usually udev
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01:16<istoc>alaya: I have 2 NICs, one is eth1, I want the other to be eth2 but currently theres nothing assigned to eth2
01:16<alaya>istoc: dmesg should show you the name it assigns it
01:17<istoc>alaya: How could I differentiate between eth1 (the first, working one) and an unassigned one that lspci is saying is an unknown device?
01:17<alaya>istoc: is the module loaded for the second one? i thought you said they were the same type?
01:19<istoc>alaya: They are the same type. lspci says that there are 2 ethernet controllers, one that is detected properly and the second that only shares the same "Subsystem" with the known one.
01:19<alaya>istoc: they should look identical in lspci
01:20<alaya>except for the pci ids
01:20<alaya>otherwise they might be different chipsets
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01:20<istoc>alaya: Should I pastebin lspci?
01:21<alaya>istoc: but run the dmesg command also i mentioned
01:21<alaya>paste that output
01:21<alaya>istoc: you could also run update-pciids to update lspci database first
01:22<istoc>alaya: Ok
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01:23<noble->specifically, over on the far right, I see these in a lot of screenshots, the app displaying all the system info like that:
01:23<noble->I'm wondering what type of app this is in this screenshot?
01:24<istoc>alaya: Heres the lspci, doing dmesg now
01:24<alaya>noble-: cowsay?
01:25<noble->no, over on the far right, you might have to scroll over
01:25<noble->the app displaying all the system info and data
01:25<istoc>alaya: Here's dmesg | grep eth
01:25<alaya>istoc: i see 3 NICs
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01:26<istoc>alaya: Well, theres an integrated one, and 2 gigabit ones.
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01:26<alaya>noble-: not sure. some gkrellm monitor perhaps?
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01:26<alaya>istoc: and they are all different
01:27<alaya>istoc: dmesg |grep eth see what is being recognized
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01:28<istoc>alaya: I pasted that earlier, only eth0 and eth1 are detected
01:28<alaya>noble-: there are a lot of system resource monitor docs for various WMs
01:28<alaya>istoc: i didn't see the paste
01:29<alaya>noble-: e.g. asmon
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01:32<alaya>istoc: hmm so maybe the Honeywell one, even though it might be a rtl8169 chipset, seems to not be recognized
01:32<istoc>alaya: It might have a different chipset?
01:32<alaya>istoc: you can also look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
01:33<alaya>istoc: maybe try digging around in dmesg more. e.g. dmesg |grep r8169 to see if the driver spits out any more info
01:33<istoc>alaya: Only the first 2 interfaces are listed there (eth0,1)
01:33<istoc>alaya: Ok
01:34<alaya>noble-: apt-cache search resource |egrep -ri monitor
01:36<istoc>alaya: It looks like r8169 is the driver being loaded for eth1 but it's not being loaded for the other card which has "Unknown device 8169" in the name.
01:36<alaya>istoc: yeah but does the driver even say anything about it?
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01:38<noble->alaya, thanks :)
01:38<istoc>alaya: If you mean dmesg, no theres nothing refering to the undetected card.
01:38<alaya>istoc: also, is there maybe some bios option that has it disabled?
01:40<istoc>alaya: I don't remember messing around with PCI BIOS settings.
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01:44<user_>I cannot write to my drive, as normal user, as root its fine. My fstab looks sweet o I dont know whats goin on /dev/sda3 /home/user/spare-drive ext3 defaults 0 0
01:45<SeveredCross>er, chown the mount point.
01:45<alaya>user_: permission problem? ls -la /home/user/spare-drive
01:45<alaya>user_: user/group permission info is only used in fstab/mount for non-linux volumes
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01:46<user_>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-02-10 19:27 .
01:46<user_>drwxr-xr-x 23 user user 4096 2008-02-10 19:20
01:46<user_>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-02-10 19:27 bob
01:47<alaya>user_: ls -ld /home/user/spare-drive
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01:47<user_>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2008-02-10 19:27 /home/user/spare-drive
01:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:48<alaya>user_: follow what SeveredCross said
01:48<user_>alaya: whats that, i just joined
01:48<alaya>istoc: i don't know. if its a recent card then perhaps a newer kernel will have an updated module that works with that chipset?
01:49<alaya>user_: scroll up
01:50<user_>SeveredCross: Aint chowning the mount point dangerous, shouldnt it mount with the correct priviledges?
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01:50<SeveredCross>defaults mounts as root I think.
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01:51<user_>SeveredCross: Use default settings. Equivalent to rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async.
01:51<alaya>user_: i just explained. read.
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01:51<user_>alaya: It is a linux volume ext3
01:52<alaya>SeveredCross: its not dangerous. its how you grant access to filesystems under unix
01:52<SeveredCross>I'm not sure that defaults gives users rw privileges.
01:52<SeveredCross>in fact, I would think defaults DOESN'T.
01:52<user_>SeveredCross: It does its from th fstab man page
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01:52<SeveredCross>Ah, okay.
01:52<alaya>user_: chown user.user /mnt/point
01:52<SeveredCross>I'm not on Linux right now so I can't really check.
01:53<alaya>user_: assuming its only being used for him, since its under his /home
01:53<alaya>user_: definitely man chown and man chmod
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01:53<user_>alaya: LOL nouser =root mount only
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01:54<alaya>user_: its not a mount issue. its a permission issue. i keep trying to tell you that
01:54<alaya>user_: if its in fstab it will be mounted at boot automatically
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01:55<alaya>user_: regardless of who mounts it or how, you still need the correct perms to access it
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02:13<Guest1031>Yay I can write to tje drive --- boo my network card no longer starts at boot and anything i put in the drive disappears
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02:28<alaya>Guest1031: try to pin down the issues better
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02:30<Guest1031>alaya: can u mounta scsi drive inside an ide drive?
02:31<Gekz>kernel 2.6.24 wont boot correctly on my system
02:31<Gekz>it has errors with my dvd and cd rom drives
02:31<Gekz>saying error opcode and the like
02:31<Gekz>and just loops through that
02:31<alaya>Gekz: that kernel is not even in stable
02:31<Gekz>alaya: who said I was using stable
02:32<dpkg>[unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
02:32*Aleric scrolls back a few years...
02:32<Aleric>yup, you said it.
02:33<dpkg>hmm... freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
02:33<Gekz>alaya: what's your point.
02:33<alaya>Guest1031: huh? they are 2 different types
02:33<padski>Guest1031: like /mnt/ide/scsi ?
02:34<alaya>Gekz: you're on your own
02:34<Guest1031>alaya: Yes, My mai drive is an ide, the /home/user/documents is where i am trying to mount my scs driv inside of
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02:34<padski>Guest1031: shouldn't matter
02:34<alaya>Guest1031: its a separate mount
02:34<Gekz>alaya: no, you just cant help me. If you can't help then don't say anything :/
02:34<alaya>Guest1031: the location of the mount point doesn't matter
02:35<padski>Gekz: is it the kernel in sid ?
02:35<Gekz>padski: ja
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02:35<padski>Gekz: and this is a regression ?
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02:35<Gekz>"this" ?
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02:36<Guest1031>alaya: i'll be back
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02:36<padski>Gekz: this == "won't boot correctly, has errors with dvd and cd rom drives"
02:37<Gekz>padski: see here:
02:37<Gekz>same error with the ubuntu kernel
02:38<alaya>Gekz: maybe it switched from hda to sda?
02:38<alaya>Gekz: maybe need to update fstab entries
02:38<Gekz>it's the kernel
02:38<padski>(20 cookies later ...)
02:39<Gekz>it finds it
02:39<alaya>under newer kernels even IDE drives show up as sda
02:39<Gekz>alaya: CDROM and DVDROM aren't IDE in Linux
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02:39<alaya>Gekz: they can be sdX, srX, or hdX
02:40<Gekz>alaya: by default they are hd, especially in debian
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02:40<Gekz>srX in Arch.
02:40<Gekz>and I've never seen a distro that uses sd for disc drives
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02:42<padski>Gekz: so that's a known bug in a bleeding-edge package. suggest "so don't do that then".
02:42<Gekz>but maaaa.
02:45<Gekz>I'm already still using 2.6.23
02:45<Gekz>otherwise how would I be talking :P
02:46<alaya>Gekz: that kernel doesn't like the controller?
02:46<padski>there was a chap here the other day who couldn't connect to the internet. I have ceased to wonder about such things.
02:46<Gekz>padski: lool
02:46<Gekz>well, I'm off to dinner
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02:52<padski>but If there's a new kernel, I might have a go on that ... :-)
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02:56<user_>alaya: Just though Id let you know the problem was splashy - go figure!!
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02:58<user_>alaya: I dont know why but it stopped the module for scsi drives from loading and the network card frm autoloadig at boot. Whta is MTA at boot?
02:59<alaya>MTA Mail Transfer Agent
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03:00<user_>alaya: can i disable it? its taking 2 inutes to load
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03:01<alaya>apt-get install postfix exim-
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03:01<user_>alaya: what will that do?
03:01<alaya>replace exim with postfix
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03:02<padski>alaya, cool! never knew about that syntax ...
03:03<fxiny>cool++ :)
03:03<user_>i dont understand why splashy wod ruin the loading of some modules???
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03:04<alaya>user_: it doesn't actually seem likely
03:04<alaya>padski: :-)
03:05<alaya>padski: nice for replacing things like MTAs without having the packaging system freakout because of dependencies
03:05<user_>alaya: yest when i uninstalled splashy my network/internet connection autoloaded and i was able to access my scsi drives again - as user
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03:08<fxiny>apt-get install postfix does it automagically , maybe it will be ok for , say , when installing emacs over vim :P
03:09<alaya>fxiny: oh yeah i forgot about the conflicts tags
03:09<fxiny>alaya: :))
03:11<fxiny>that's nice anyway cause it opens up so many funny selected removing if it works over nano and friends :P
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03:11<fxiny>tons of useless editors
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03:13<fxiny>yes ! >> apt-get -s install emacs21 nano-
03:13<padski>I like the fact that you can explicitly state what you intend in a situation like that. makes for better records.
03:14<fxiny>and it works with aptitude as well !
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03:16<padski>is there a tool to trim a kernel tree to just the bits relevant for an arch ?
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03:20<alaya>ask on LKML
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03:21<padski>alaya: yeah. I'm sure I've seen one somewhere ... was just hoping it was well known :-(
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03:22<alaya>padski: but i always thought that wnen you select the cpu type early on that already cuts out a lot of options
03:22<alaya>just from the config choices, not actually from the tree
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03:23<alaya>actually i mean the arch type
03:23<alaya>FE selecting sparc cuts out a lot of hardware stuff that doesn't come with sparc boxes
03:24<alaya>and adds other ones that are
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03:24<padski>alaya: yeah, I think so. sometimes It would be nice to see a source-code tree that is only the relevant stuff :-)
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03:45<internat85>so i ahve a usb ir keybaord, that shows up as a holtek usb keyboard.. any way to remap what the keys do? ive looked at keytouch but it doesnt seem to do realy what i want
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03:47<alaya>apt-cache show xmodmap
03:48<internat85>not found
03:49<alaya>should be in x11-xserver-utils
03:49<alaya>man xmodmap
03:50<seanius>noble-: conqy
03:50<noble->seanius: thanks
03:51<seanius>er, i might have spelled that wrong
03:51<seanius>noble-: "conky" :)
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03:54<noble->thanks a lot man
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03:58<MasterZ>anybody know the command to restart samba? All the commands I find on Google do not exist on my install :-/
03:58<vsmatck> /etc/init.d/samba restart
03:58<alaya>MasterZ: like most daemons: via the rc script
03:58<seanius>MasterZ: /etc/init.d/samba restart
03:59<MasterZ>ah, everything I found said smb
03:59<MasterZ>heh, it's late
03:59<vsmatck>all the init scripts reside there for all the services that init starts when bootup happens... at least on debian, it's different on other distributions ;)
03:59<MasterZ>cool, it worked :)
03:59<alaya>vsmatck: system v init
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04:00<alaya>check out sysv-rc-conf tool
04:01<fxiny>and : man update-rc.d :)
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04:01<MasterZ>I now have my very own linux network file server :)
04:01<MasterZ>now to just caugh up the money for a backup disk heh
04:01<alaya>i could never get that to work as nicely as redhat's chkconfig
04:01<seanius>fxiny: update-rc.d isn't meant for users
04:02<alaya>ah that's probably why then ;-)
04:02<fxiny>redhat ? there is another rc conf , trying to remember
04:02<vsmatck>I like rcconf for updating rcX.d sim links. It doesn't seem to show everything though.
04:02<alaya>checkconfig or something like that
04:02<seanius>or "service"
04:02<fxiny>seanius: you mean lazy users ? :)
04:02<seanius>fxiny: no, it's not meant for users period.
04:02<alaya>i wish you could just pick which one you wanted, like use debian but choose to have all of redhat's sysv scripts
04:03<fxiny>are users some kind of noisy kids ?
04:03<fxiny>i found update-rc.d perfect and relaxing
04:04<seanius>fxiny: if you run update-rc.d -f script remove, the next upgrade may reinstall the scripts
04:04<fxiny>how may time a user is supposed to run say update-rc.d -f samba remove ? just at any samba fix
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04:05*alaya 's head explodes
04:05<fxiny>so installing some redhat thing adds to the never-used apps list
04:06<seanius>fxiny: the correct way to disable a service is to rename s/^S/K/ script
04:06<seanius>or use one of the graphical/console/cmdline wrapper scripts
04:07<fxiny>is that redhat thyngy the ncurse one ?
04:07<alaya>i don't even care about such things anymore. i just want them to *run*
04:07<fxiny>cause it was somehow buggy
04:07<seanius>er, clarification, s/^S/K/ /path/to/runlevel/symlink
04:07<alaya>fxiny: no the rh one is cli
04:07<fxiny>alaya: so there is anoither one
04:08<alaya>the debian sysv-rc-conf curses one saves a lot of typing though
04:08<seanius>alaya: srsly, i think the sysv init style needs to go away
04:08<seanius>maybe one day we'll make the jump to upstart
04:08<alaya>there are better ways for so many things.
04:09<fxiny>i am quite sure there is a small (maybe buggy) curse
04:09<alaya>sometimes convention makes me sick. i think all manpages should be fundamentally rewritten
04:09<alaya>or a new alternative of them should be written
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04:09<alaya>intended not to overwhelm new/intermediate users and provide quick reference and good examples
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04:10<alaya>and things like good wrapper scripts to config mutt/fetchmail/procmail/MTA to work with ISP auth, etc.
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04:11<alaya>and maybe different policies on upstream and maintainer documentation that are understandable to users
04:12<alaya>maybe even some way to interact with a wiki page via a type of man page
04:13<alaya>they should revise everything
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04:14<alaya>call it web 3.0, back to the command line
04:15<alaya>teach kids regex, vi, grep, etc. in grade school
04:15<vook>is there anything for Linux similar to 'vidcontrol' for BSD systems? I'm looking for something that can give me a really high resolution console. I'm currently in VGA=792, but I'd like something with a much smaller font (like MacOS's console).
04:16<fxiny>i think is sysvconfig
04:16<fxiny>yes !
04:16<alaya>vook: maybe
04:17<vook>thanks! I'll check them out.
04:17<alaya>vook: there are other modes, e.g. vga=838 for a 1400x1050 screen with 32 bit color
04:17<vook>alaya: do you know of a 1280x800 mode?
04:17<gsimmons>!tell vook -about fbcon resolution
04:18<alaya>vook: hwinfo --framebuffer |less should show you a list for your card
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04:18<alaya>mine goes up to 376
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04:28<hejustrife>is there a way to get kicker-kickoff working?
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04:39<bartm>anyone comments to the recent update of this wiki page about flashplugin-nonfree ?
04:40<bartm>I'm considering to send an announcement to encourage users of Debian stable to already switch to flashplugin-nonfree at
04:40<bartm>so review comments are welcome
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04:42<bartm>it seems that it's not happy hour now :)
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04:56<vook>anyone who is just bored off their A and good at spotting glaring kernel config issues - I've been using this kernel for a while and it usually works great. Occasionally though, processes go into an endless loop or something, and quickly bring the system to a slow screeching halt.
04:57<vook>I thought it was an iceweasel issue (because that's the process that usually starts taking up 99% of cpu time) but this doesn't happen in the stock debian kernel.
04:57<vook>some thrashing occurs as well.
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05:18<Gekz>vook: I've found this kernel to be unstable from the get-go
05:19<Gekz>I'm still using 2.6.23, and this will be the first kernel that I wont use.
05:21<vook>Gekz: well, actually that kernel config is what I've been using since 2.6.8. All of the problems I've had occurred with that config in < 2.6.24.
05:21<Gekz>so you've had the problems since the beginning of time?
05:21<vook>I just moved up to 2.6.24 an hour ago.
05:23<vook>well, I guess I'd say I've had problems with that config from - (whatever the last 2.6.23 release was)
05:24<vook>Its a really fast kernel, and works well most of the time, but sometimes (usually iceweasel) just goes out of control, and the system load starts stepping up little by little.
05:24<vook>If I don't kill iceweasel within 30 seconds from the moment I see the load increasing, It'll freeze.
05:25<vook>*It = the whole system.
05:26<Gekz>vook: so you have a K8?
05:26<vook>it's an amd64
05:26<Gekz>therefore K8
05:26<vook>yeah - I guess.
05:26<vook>I don't run any 64 bit code
05:26<Gekz>sounds unfun
05:26<vook>I could compile the kernel as AMD64
05:27<Gekz>you can have a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland you know
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05:27<Gekz>well, afaik
05:27<vook>I have 512mb of RAM, there virtually no reason to run in a 64 bit environment
05:28<vook>(I may see a 5% speed increase, but the annoyances wouldn't be worth it to me)
05:28<vsmatck>I know one gets extra registers with AMD64 but it seems like if you didn't it'd be a small speed decrease since your pointers got to be twice as big.
05:29<Gekz>have you googled your proc for this problem?
05:29<vsmatck>I know has some game benchmarks that show a slow down on the 64bit version.
05:29<vook>yeah - I've seen the same.
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05:29<vook>Until I exceed 4gb of ram, I'll stick with 32-bit code.
05:29<vsmatck>vook, that's my thinking also.
05:30<vook>of course, we all remember EMM386 and himem right ;) (allowed 8-bit processors to use more than 256k of memory.)
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05:31<vook>meaning although I'll probably use 64-bit code when I have 4gb of RAM, I won't really *need* to.
05:32<padski>bartm: such an announcement sounds like a good idea. not sure about the key distribution instructions on the wiki page.
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05:41<stuart>how do i get write access to an external drive
05:41<Gekz>knife it
05:41<stuart>a hammer would be more effective
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05:42<Gekz>a pen if you want to write actually
05:42<Gekz>you could mount it with -o rw,users
05:42<Gekz>or one specific user = -o uid=user
05:43<stuart>so how do i use your first option which i assume allows all users to read write to it?
05:43<Gekz>mount /dev/sdX /mnt/point -o users
05:43<Gekz>or add it to fstab options
05:44<Gekz>users means different things depending on fs
05:44<stuart>how do i know what the device is called? Just shows up as "media:
05:44<Gekz>man mount for more info :)
05:44<Gekz>man mount!
05:44<stuart>ok, thanks
05:44<Gekz>I just do sudo fdisk -l when i'm looking for a usb disk partition
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05:47<stuart>Gekz: 1 problem... that command lists my 3 internal drives but not the usb one
05:48<Gekz>is it plugged in xD
05:49<Gekz>it's a happy face.
05:49<stuart>it even shows up in nautilus, but i dont know what it's called
05:50<stuart>and i assume i need to know that to use the mount command
05:51<Gekz>you need it's /dev point
05:51<Gekz>I'd unplug it and replug it
05:51<Gekz>and see what dmesg says
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05:59<stuart>mmm can i just add usr to fstab?
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06:01<stuart>Gekz: u there
06:02<stuart>im having trouble...hang on am seeing if the internet can help
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06:05<stuart>Gekz: can you speak loudly and slowly
06:05<Gekz>what do you want
06:05<stuart>ok, just slowly then
06:05<Gekz>and what have you done to try and get that result
06:06<stuart>i looked in fstab
06:06<weasel>!tell stuart about u
06:06<stuart>it looks like german
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06:06<stuart>i looked at man mount
06:06<stuart>it looked like greek
06:07<stuart>dmesg lists hardware yeah?
06:07<weasel>dmesg lists the kernel log ring buffer.
06:07<weasel>as man dmesg no doubt describes.
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06:08<WhyACow>anyone know how to figure out the locations of the backup superblocks on a raid0 partition?
06:08<weasel>raid superblocks?
06:08<WhyACow>df doesnt list it also
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06:08<weasel>or filesystem superblocks?
06:08<WhyACow>but it is a raid0
06:09<WhyACow>dunno, could be important information
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06:09<weasel>and which filesystem?
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06:09<WhyACow>e2fsck /dev/md0 returns e2fsck: Invalid argument while trying to open /dev/md0
06:10<weasel>cat /proc/mdstat
06:10<weasel>how does the entry for md0 look like?
06:11<WhyACow>Personalities : [raid0]
06:11<WhyACow>md0 : inactive sdb1[1]
06:11<WhyACow>732571904 blocks
06:11<WhyACow>unused devices: <none>
06:11<vsayikiran>i want to use scp command i am getting error this "port 22 connection refused"
06:11<weasel>your raid is broken.
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06:11<WhyACow>can it be fixed?
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06:12<weasel>don't know. readd the missing disks and hope for the best?
06:12<WhyACow>both disks are in :/
06:12<weasel>they are not.
06:12<weasel>the raid currently consists of only one disk.
06:12<WhyACow>mdadm shows the raid working
06:12<weasel>what does mdadm show?
06:12<weasel>vsayikiran: talk to the server admin.
06:12<weasel>vsayikiran: sshd isn't listening or you are firewall off
06:13<vsayikiran>weasel: how to enable sshd
06:13<weasel>on the server? apt-get install ssh
06:13<vsayikiran>weasel: i dont know how to modify firewall or iptables
06:13<WhyACow>Etch:/home/hieu# mdadm --detail --scan
06:13<WhyACow>ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid0 num-devices=2 UUID=7b2451fe:41be26a9:2b13fed3:23ced1c8
06:14<weasel>that does not mean it's running.
06:14<stuart>Gekz: i thought sudo mount -a -t -w would sort things
06:14<stuart>but it doesnt
06:14<vsayikiran>weasel: i will try that apt-get thing but tell me how to modify iptables to allow sshd
06:15<weasel>vsayikiran: that depends on how you set it up.
06:15<stuart>according to the man page mount -a -t mounts all file systems
06:15<weasel>stuart: of course not. mount does not start or reassemble raid devices.
06:15<Gekz>stuart: o.o
06:15<Gekz>that doesnt do anything :D
06:15<stuart>it's not raid
06:15<Gekz>but yeh, gtg
06:16<vsayikiran>weasel: what is askpass package
06:16<weasel>vsayikiran: ask apt-cache or the web.
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06:26<aphesz>Does the vmsplice vulnerability affects etch's latest kernel release ?
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06:27<Kebianizao>is it possible to run hal on a chroot or link to the existing instance on the real system?
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06:44<stuart>will this work for write access? In fstab file: /dev/sdd1 /mnt/sdd1 user
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07:00<Defilade>is there a plugin for firefox that will work with media player streams?
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07:02<Enfi|ade>will see if it works, thanks
07:02<Nemoder>I recommend xine for streaming
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07:19<alaya>that was nice of you thanks
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07:19<alaya>i just saw this: trippy:
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07:20<fxiny>monowall ?
07:20<alaya>yeah. trippy.
07:21<fxiny>not like cloning a working etch into crypted partitions : very trippy :))
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07:21<fxiny>and spooky
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07:22<alaya>you mean like an SD card?
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07:23<fxiny>normal partition not even lvm2 , i hate those cf
07:23<fxiny>mving boot into a fine boot/ext2
07:24<alaya>wait, that sounds weird - you mean on a partition with no fs on it? somehow raw?
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07:24<fxiny>i started from a two partitions shceme / and home : now thaye are three : boot unencrypted , / and home encrypted
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07:26<vook>Nemoder: do you know if xine supports http authentication?
07:26<fxiny>alaya: not raw : make an initrd . encrypt two partitions from the working etch and clone it over cping/deleting boot
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07:26<Nemoder>vook: not sure, haven't come across any servers setup for that
07:27<fxiny>vim over fstab abd that's it ! so leet :P
07:27<klando>I am looking for the scripts used by debian for the buildfarm. Where can I find them ?
07:27<alaya>fxiny: you just mean creating encrypted home fs?
07:27<vook>Nemoder: I have a server that uses andromeda, that's why I ask. In linux I normally have to use a sshfs fuse mount because of the lack of media players for Linux that will actually prompt the user for a username and password.
07:28<fxiny>alaya: yes : i removed the very last partitons . shrinked doen to boot/ext2 and a new swap . i encrypted 'em . monted from my etch
07:29<fxiny>alaya: so now i have : / home and swap encrypted + boot/ext2 unencrypted . just make the initrd
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07:29<Nemoder>vook: I'm not sure about xine, the docs for mplayer says they support -user and -passwd for it
07:29<alaya>fxiny: i think i read something about that a while back
07:29<fxiny>alaya: there are how about cf and lvm2
07:30<fxiny>doing it "normal" is better imho
07:30<Nemoder>I can never get mplayer to stream properly though, the cache runs out and it doesn't seem to refill it properly it just stutters
07:30<fxiny>alaya: i can mount it anytime from another running etch
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07:31<vook>Nemoder: hmm. anything will work if I include the username & password in the link ( looking...
07:31<alaya>fxiny: i see
07:32<fxiny>alaya: i have finished with just one pass at boot : a nice trip
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07:32<alaya>fxiny: you mean a cf card?
07:32<fxiny>alaya: nope : i hate cf
07:33<fxiny>alaya: same hd
07:34<alaya>fxiny: you mean make a loopback image, not an initrd?
07:35<fxiny>alaya: a normal partition down to 4 : / home swap and boot . just encrypt all but boot . and mount . make an initrd . cp over . edit fstab , play with password keys
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07:36<vsayikiran>is there any package so i can browse all shared folders in LAN
07:36<alaya>you make an initrd and copy it into the encrypted fs
07:36<fxiny>alaya: yes , the initrd is important
07:37<alaya>the initrd has encrypted fs support
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07:37<Nemoder>vsayikiran: you probably want samba
07:37<fxiny>alaya: yes : install cryptsetup : LUKS so good :)
07:37<vsayikiran>how to browse through shared folders in LAN
07:37<alaya>is that what it needs?
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07:38<vsayikiran>Nemoder: ok samba allows me to share folders, but i need to do a scan of my LAN to find who is sharing what
07:38<fxiny>alaya: yes , just cryptsetup
07:38<Nemoder>vsayikiran: it comes with utilities to do that such as smbtree
07:39<vsayikiran>Nemoder: is smbtree a new package
07:39<alaya>vsayikiran: man nmblookup
07:39<fxiny>alaya: obviously you edit fstab and grub menu.lst at the end
07:39<Nemoder>vsayikiran: if you are using lenny the new smbnetfs is quite handy too
07:39<alaya>fxiny: yes, i was thinking that
07:39<Nemoder>vsayikiran: oh it's part of the smbclient package
07:41<vsayikiran>Nemoder: i think you have understood what i have said , i want to scan a range of computer in my LAN and i want to which pc is sharing what
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07:41<Nemoder>vsayikiran: smbtree will list all network shares
07:41<fxiny>alaya: fstab goes like : /dev/mapper/home /home ext3 defaults 0 2 and so on
07:42<vsayikiran>Nemoder: i dont want to manually enter each and every IP address in address bar to search for shares
07:42<fxiny>then you can mount it from your "normal" etch if you want
07:42<fxiny>no lvm2 on my way :P
07:43<vsayikiran>Nemoder: smbtree is not a package
07:43<Nemoder>vsayikiran: I said it was part of the smbclient package
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07:43<vsayikiran>Nemoder: so i have to first install samba
07:44<Nemoder>vsayikiran: yes, smbclient depends on samba
07:44<alaya>fxiny: is there any point in encrypting anything other than /home ?
07:44<vsayikiran>alaya: can you explain me more about nmblookup
07:45<alaya>vsayikiran: there's the man page...
07:45<vsayikiran>Nemoder: do i have to download smbldap-tools
07:45<fxiny>alaya: yes : swap and tmp
07:46<alaya>fxiny: i would rather create a mini encrypted debian that ran on usb key. encrypted for security
07:46<Nemoder>vsayikiran: yes that is a dependency too
07:46<alaya>but i guess its the same
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07:46<fxiny>alaya: there is no point only on making boot ext3 . a mini ? use lvm2 for that
07:47<axxum>hi all
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07:47<Nemoder>vsayikiran: actually i may be wrong, I think it only needs the libraries, not to full toolset
07:47<fxiny>alaya: or a boot+swap+/ only
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07:50<WhyACow>is it alright to crtl-c e2fsck while it is checking the filesystem?
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07:51<vook>WhyACow: kinda, but not really.
07:51<WhyACow>yeah alright...fixed my raid so i can wait however long it takes
07:51<vook>WhyACow: is it checking at boot?
07:51<WhyACow>no i activated it but with an option i didnt want
07:51<vook>yeah, good idea to let it finish.
07:51<WhyACow>which adds like another 3 hrs to the check
07:52<vook>did you initiate the check?
07:52<vook>oh, you can stop it then
07:52<WhyACow>narh better just let it go
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07:59<meph>good morning to all
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08:19<wo0f_>im using an old laptop as a dev server
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08:20<wo0f_>i have installed the 'laptop' apps that include all the achi stuff
08:20<wo0f_>but the cooling fan never turns off
08:21<wo0f_>any ideas why this is?
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08:22<wo0f_>!dpkg tell wo0f_ cooling fan
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08:32<wo0f_>ubuntu seems to handle it fine
08:33<wo0f_>but tbh i really dont want to resort to ubuntu :(
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08:36<mitchell>guys i need a torrent for downloadin the 4.0
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08:36<mitchell>someone can help?
08:37<WhyACow>they are avaiable on the debian website
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08:46<Plokko>i have a problem with x3100(intel mobile vga driver,i945)
08:46<Plokko>the drivers are installed but i can't use 3d
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08:47<Plokko>i'm running lenny x86_64
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08:48<wo0f_>Plokko, what drivers?
08:48<Plokko>intel x3100 vga drivers
08:49<wo0f_>from debian?
08:49<Plokko>lenny x86_64
08:49<wo0f_>u using drivers from debian repo?
08:49<Plokko>yes synaptic
08:49<wo0f_>how you mean you cant use 3d?
08:50<Plokko>like compiz
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08:50<Plokko>can't run because can't find 3d drivers(don't remember exact name like xgl)
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08:51<Plokko>mmh i have some drivers but don't support xgl
08:51<Plokko>it's compaq 6720s
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08:51<Plokko>drivers works
08:52<Plokko>but can't use 3d application
08:52<Plokko>no hardware accelleration understand?
08:52<Plokko>mmh read in the page
08:52<Plokko>Thinkpad X60
08:53<Plokko>i need xgl why not working?i need extra drivers?
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08:53<wo0f_>the drivers cant be installed right if you can use 3d exceration
08:53<wo0f_>thats the whole point:P
08:54<Plokko>no xgl drivers
08:54<Plokko>suse run perfectly
08:54<Plokko>but i don't want suse
08:55<Plokko>so i must install xgl?it's another package?how's called?
08:56<Plokko>xorg use intel drivers correctly i can't imagine what is
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08:57<wo0f_>sry i cant really help you
08:57<wo0f_>i only ever use ati
08:58<Plokko>i found output
08:58<Plokko>Checking for Xgl: not present.
08:58<Plokko>Blacklisted PCIID
08:58<Plokko>(similar the second)
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09:05<bernardo>how can I remove old kernel-images?
09:06<fxiny>bernardo: same as for any packages
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09:44<Puck_>Hi, all How do I get a package from "sid" into "lenny" ?
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09:46<Puck_>Good Morning?
09:46<Jeffro|AFK>How do I effectivly increase how my server uses ram?
09:46<izua>Hi! I'm trying to make my internet starting script run automatically when the computer boots
09:46<izua> . this is the script. it triggers are small executable now and then..
09:46<Jeffro|AFK>I have a dedicated debian server. With gameservers running. I want to know how to easily disable stuff I don't need for a system I only control with ssh
09:46<izua>where should i movie it, a "Program Files" so to say, and how should i make it start automatically ?
09:48<kmap>izua: Call it from /etc/rc.local
09:48<pumpkin0>Jeffro|AFK: check top or ps and stop everything you don't need by making the script in /etc/init.d/ a non-executable.
09:48<Jeffro|AFK>I dont know whats save to disable
09:48<Jeffro|AFK>Can i somehow output all my processes?
09:49<izua>Jeffro|AFK: ps -aux
09:49<pumpkin0>Jeffro|AFK: it denepns on the server. Donot touch stuff with [] around the processname.
09:49<Jeffro|AFK>I'll put it in a pastebin
09:51<Jeffro|AFK>My server only needs the game binaries, Screens ssh access without trouble :)
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09:53<Jeffro|AFK>So what can I savely disable?
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10:03<izua>there's just one problem
10:03<izua>this script requires i get my ip from my router, so that eth0 is up.
10:03<izua>are network cards enabled when rc.local runs?
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10:13<izua>rc.local is in /etc
10:13<izua>but internetStarter is in /bin
10:13<izua>how should i write it in rc.local ?
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10:14<izua>also, this has to run like every 15 minutes or so.
10:14<izua>does it start as a standalone process?
10:14<kmap>izua: Oh, then you should use cron
10:14<kmap>izua: cron is for running a program at periodic intervals... read the man page
10:15<izua>yep yep, i know it.. i used to work with it in webdev
10:15<izua>but the thing is, the ISP changes this period..
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10:15<izua>so the little scrip that manages it has a timeout, at this period I think..
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10:15<izua>and i'd like to use that..
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10:15<izua>i mean, the script is just a big loop.
10:15<izua>wouldn't it be ran as a process?
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10:16<kmap>izua: Maybe, you would know better. :-)
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10:17<izua>well, this is the script:
10:17<izua>i don't really know. i'm new to debian
10:18<izua>teh interw3b says debian doesn't use rc.local for managing startup scripts :/
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10:22<razed>I have a quick newb question about a Debian install... Before install, everything seemed to run decently. After install, I get a PXE-E53 error. I think I already know the answer to this, so this is a long shot... But is this a common problem after Debian installs?
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10:24<razed>My research tells me that it's most likely a failing mobo or HDD... I don't think either, but I suppose the mobo is most likely. I just wanted to check here first and cross my fingers.
10:24<Nemoder>razed: is your bios set to boot from network?
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10:24<razed>No... I've even disabled PXE boots
10:24<Nemoder>you might try reseting your bios completely
10:25<Lynoure>izua: out of curiousity, what's the thing that script does every 15 seconds?
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10:27<Lynoure>izua: agatec mostly gives me industrial laser stuff :)
10:27<izua>neah, agatec is some local company that made this script that most ISPs around use
10:27<izua>it's a weird auth. i get a fixed IP, but i get no internet juice untill i'm sending my password
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10:27<izua>and i get it for 15 seconds or so
10:28<Nemoder>izua: you can use update-rc.d to add/remove startup scripts
10:28<razed>Nemoder... Wow, seems to have worked. Such a simple solution... I should have come here in the first place. :)
10:29<Nemoder>cool :)
10:29<razed>Time to play with linux for the first time... Thanks a lot!
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10:30<izua>but will it run in a loop, so to say? as a process?
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10:30<izua>or the startup script "manager" will kill it after some time?
10:30<Lynoure>izua: It sounds weird indeed. I hope you get it very cheaply or something. I'd make an starting script for it, and then call it from /etc/interfaces post-up
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10:31<izua>i can always run it in a console, and leave the console windows on the desktop. but that's annoying
10:33<Nemoder>yeah I would just make it a separate script and create a new script like the other init.d scripts to start/stop it
10:35<wo0f_>im using an old laptop as a dev server
10:35<wo0f_>i have installed the 'laptop' apps that include all the achi stuff
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10:35<wo0f_>but the cooling fan never turns off
10:36<wo0f_>any ideas why this is?
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10:36<wo0f_>ubuntu seems to handle it fine
10:36<wo0f_>but tbh i really dont want to resort to ubuntu :(
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10:38<Lynoure>wo0f_: and they should turn off, according to the temperate levels?
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10:42<Lynoure>oops, temperature
10:43<wo0f_>Lynoure, yup
10:43<wo0f_>debian keeps the fan running depite been cool as a cucumber
10:43<suiside>wo0f_: you're not really giving very much to work on but I've seen laptops which require a specific kernel module loaded for the fans to work, if this is the case you could crosscheck what ubuntu loads and work it from there, it's just an idea though, can't say for certain without knowing specific make and model of the laptop
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10:45<wo0f_>its a hp nx6325
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10:48<wo0f_>suiside, how would i check which mods it loads?
10:49<suiside>wo0f_: lsmod
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10:49<wo0f_>and then how would i load the same mod in debian?
10:49<suiside>wo0f_: this might be worth checking out for you, now it isn't documentation for debian but should give you something to chew on atleast
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10:51<wo0f_>ah thanks suiside.
10:52<wo0f_>tbh i wish ubuntu would just work upstream lol
10:52<wo0f_>i just cant handle all that sudo balls
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11:20<izua>i have a dualcore.
11:20<izua>how come iostat shows only one cpu?
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11:30<abrotman>izua: uname -r .. show us
11:32<user01>how do i add more spellcheck languages to openoffice?
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12:01<mihau>got a problem :P
12:01<mihau>sound dissapeared
12:01<mihau>after updating kernel from 2.6.18-5-amd64 to 2.6.22-3-amd64
12:01<mihau>HDA VIA VT82xx
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12:17<suiside>mihau: do you have the kernel module for the chipset loaded?
12:17<suiside>well, check that
12:17<mihau>im newbie
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12:19<suiside>'lsmod | grep vt82xx' to be specific
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12:20<mihau>it looks like that
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12:21<mihau>still no sound
12:21<mihau>it looks like the music is playing but there is no sound
12:21<mihau>in speakers
12:21<suiside>try modprobe snd-via82xx
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12:22<mihau>still the same
12:22<suiside>did it exit succesfully?
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12:22<mihau>no erros
12:23<suiside>restart alsa services and try to get sound again
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12:25<mihau>system freez ;f
12:25<mihau>have you written something recently?
12:25<suiside> restart alsa services and try to get sound again
12:26<mihau>how do i do that?
12:26<suiside>/etc/init.d/alsa restart
12:27<mihau>root:/home/mihau# /etc/init.d/alsa restart
12:27<mihau>Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
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12:27<mihau>which option to choose?
12:27<suiside>ah, well stop it and then start
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12:27<mihau>/etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 3664(mixer_applet2).
12:27<mihau>Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-intel snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-intel snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc)
12:28<suiside>do you ahve a init script called alsatools or something like that?
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12:29<mihau>i dont think so
12:29<fxiny>restart alsa-utils ?
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12:30<fxiny>dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
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12:30<mihau>still no sound :F
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12:31<suiside>you have the volume up in alsamixer and the channels unmuted do you?
12:32<fxiny>mihau: so your question is : no sound after updating kernel from 2.6.18-5-amd64 to 2.6.22-3-amd64 ?
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12:37<fxiny>50000 ? hahahah cut it down to 10 cents :P
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13:16<mihau>is here anyone with amd64 system?
13:16<avtobiff_>mihau, state your uestion instead!
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13:16<sco50000>!tell mihau about anyone
13:17<mihau>i need source.list for amd64 debian
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13:17<sco50000>mihau, google is your friend
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13:17<mihau>i cant find anything
13:17<mihau>and i know about google
13:18<mihau>i do it all the time
13:18<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
13:18<abrotman>see the last bit .. or ask us to fix yours
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13:23<mihau>im trying to install nvidia drivers accrding to, but when i add repos i get and error:
13:24<mihau>i mean these lines E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
13:24<mihau>E: Error occurred while processing xmame-x (NewVersion1)
13:24<mihau>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.vectranet.pl_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages
13:24<mihau>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
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13:24<cahoot>mihau: /msg dpkg mmap
13:25<abrotman>mihau: that's wrong
13:26<abrotman>!nvidia one-liner
13:26<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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13:27<mihau>cahoot: thx, that helped
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13:29<acutedeath>Does anyone here know how to troubleshoot GRUB?
13:29<mihau>cahoot: i reverse it, it didnt help:P
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13:34<fxiny>acutedeath: use grub cli
13:35<acutedeath>fxiny: I don't know what you mean by that.
13:35<fxiny>acutedeath: grub command line
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13:37<acutedeath>ok, I guess I don't mean HOW do you troubleshoot GRUB, but maybe "I installed GRUB and now my system doesn't boot."
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13:37<acutedeath>I'm trying to peruse the online docs... need some coffee
13:37<meandtheshell>hi folks, I am with exaile (music player) - has anybody noticed it stopped scrobbling? version is
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13:38<meandtheshell>on DebianGNU/Linux sid
13:38<fxiny>acutedeath: do a manual boot to check *your* mistakes : google for "grub manual boot"
13:38<fxiny>aka use the cli ;)
13:38<acutedeath>ok ty
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13:43<mihau>apt-get clean and it works
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13:45<mihau>when i do pt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32
13:45<mihau>i get
13:45<mihau>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:45<mihau> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09 but it is not installable
13:45<mihau> nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64: Depends: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 but it is not going to be installed
13:45<mihau>E: Broken packages
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13:46<mihau>damn bot
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13:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:47<abrotman>mihau: show us your sources
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13:49<abrotman>mihau: are you doing any pinning ?
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13:50<mihau>what do you mean by that?
13:50<abrotman>mihau: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. paste that
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13:51<abrotman>mihau: you don't have any security sources .. but you have sources for etch/lenny/sid
13:51<mihau>i know
13:51<mihau>i removed them
13:51<abrotman>the kernel you are running isn't available in etch anymore
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13:52<abrotman>mihau: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 ..
13:52<mihau>i had that one
13:52<abrotman><mihau> nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64: Depends: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 but it is not going to be installed
13:53<abrotman>mihau: you also need contrib and non-free sources for etch
13:53<mihau>where do i get them?
13:53<abrotman>you append them to the end of your etch lines
13:53<abrotman>and also add "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free"
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13:53<mihau>linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 is already the newest version.
13:54<mihau>i get this
13:54<mihau>when typing apt-get install linix~
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13:55<abrotman>mihau: did you add the contrib and non-free and the new line ?
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13:56<abrotman>mihau: apt-get update .. or aptitude .. whichever you use
13:56<abrotman>!nvidia one-liner
13:56<dpkg>hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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13:58<abrotman>mihau: your sources again
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13:58<mihau>the same link
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14:01<abrotman>mihau: you *still* have lenny/sid sources
14:01<abrotman>mihau: mixing versions of debian is *really* bad .. and will lead to a broken system
14:01<mihau>so which should i remove
14:01<mihau>main and unstable?
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14:02<Aleric>abrotman: It's not *really* bad - if you know what you're doing it even very likely you need/want it.
14:02<abrotman>Aleric: he has no preferences
14:02<mihau>i agree
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14:03<abrotman>mihau: no .. remove the testing and unstable lines
14:03<Aleric>keywords: if you know what you are doing
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14:03<mihau>k, now one-liner works
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14:15<mihau>how do i check if drivers were installed properly?
14:16<dondelelcaro>mihau: which derivers?
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14:18<dondelelcaro>mihau: dpkg -l nvidia*; and you should see the appropriate kernel modules;
14:19<Aleric>dpkg -l 'nvidia*'
14:19<dpkg>ii 'nvidia*' 2.7-11 aleric's private stamp collection
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14:26<mihau>nvidia-settigns still doesnt work properly
14:26<mihau>i think
14:27<mihau>there's only nv-sett configuration
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14:36<silent>any recommendations for a good graphical alsa mixer?
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14:38<cahoot>silent: gamix offers a bit more controls
14:38<silent>k, thanks
14:38<silent>any others to try?
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14:40<silent>cahoot, I can't mute channels
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14:40<mihau>Aleric: are you in here?
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14:51<mihau>is there any nvidia-glx-src package for amd64?;f
14:52<jel>any good channels for openssl questions?
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14:52<mihau>all i find is i368
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14:52<jel>mihau: are you using the amd64 port of debian?
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14:56<jel>what's the best (ie, simplest/quickest) way to go about generating a PKCS#10 CSR for uses including dataEncipherment, for a thirdparty CA? I'd also like to verify it's asking for the right uses before sending it off.
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15:02<jel>nevermind; finally found some docs on it :)
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15:11<bernardo>somebody knows a good editor for tex files that runs on gnome?
15:12<dondelelcaro>bernardo: emacs or gvim
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15:13<bernardo>dondelelcaro: but isn't those terminal editors?
15:13<dondelelcaro>bernardo: no, they're editors
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15:15<Jon>bernardo: both of those packages contain an X and a console-based editor
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15:16<bernardo>Jon: ohhh...ok
15:17<bernardo>dondelelcaro: thanks
15:18<Xenguy>bernardo: if you decide to use vim, check out the 'vim-latexsuite' package/add-on...
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15:19<silent>I killed my panels in xfce, how do I get them back? (can't run panel manager)
15:19<Xenguy>bernardo: there is also 'kile' (requires some kde libraries but runs on gnome of course)
15:19<bernardo>Xenguy: i will take a look, thanks a lot
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15:20<Xenguy>bernardo: if you are looking for something WYSIWYG, there is 'lyx' also
15:21<Xenguy>silent: I don't remember for sure, but does 'xfce-panel' work?
15:21<Xenguy>silent: hrm, or maybe 'xfce4-panel' instead
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15:23<geowany>x is restarting when run a program that need opengl (my english is a shit)
15:23<geowany>if I do a $ glxgears...
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15:24<Torsten_W>reinstall your graphics driver geowany
15:24<geowany>Torsten_W: ok...
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15:26<bernardo>quid pro quo
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15:35<kisbes>is there any "official" way to configure/setup nvidia drivers on debian lenny/sid?
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15:35<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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15:38<kisbes>nvidia-kernel-169.09 <- package not available
15:38<kisbes>so apt-get install nvidia-glx will not work
15:38<kisbes>and the nvidia-glx package doesn't even exist in lenny
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15:39<Aleric>kisbes: You can try it my way...
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15:40<kisbes>thank you
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15:41<Aleric>But because of the current state of lenny and unstable, that will only work if you do what is described 'Using the drivers from' (read the rest too!): You will have to download a file and put it in the same directory as build-nvidia-kernel, and use --runfile=100.14.09 or whatever
15:41<kisbes>btw, does it worth changing to official drivers, risking my working system?
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15:42<Aleric>I have never really investigated how things work on debian.
15:42<mihau>Aleric: ive installed those drivers, but they doesnt work
15:42<mihau>when i type nvidia-settings
15:43<mihau>there is no options to choose;f
15:43<Aleric>But I wouldn't want to try it :p ... Before debian I used fedora, and the nvidia installer fucked up my machine so much that in the end I thought I had unfixable HARDWARE problems, and bought a new PC
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15:44<Aleric>mihau: if the drivers compile and load and you can start X, then it works. Any other problem is not related to those scripts.
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15:47<mihau>maybe something is fucked up with xorg.conf
15:47<mihau> Driver "nv"
15:47<mihau>shoudln't be nvidia?
15:48<mihau>so brb :P
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15:49<mihau>it works
15:49<mihau>but there's a bug
15:49<mihau>i have to start x's by typing startx
15:49<Aleric>You saw the nvidia splash screen when starting X?
15:49<mihau>it was for a while
15:49<mihau>but hten error
15:49<mihau>that i cant use normal login
15:49<Aleric>Yeah, auto start got disabled due to earlier errors
15:49<mihau>then was text mode
15:49<Aleric>You have to restart it
15:50<Aleric>But I don't know how (mine is currently in the same state)
15:50<mihau>restart computer or x?
15:50<Aleric>No, some command to get gdm to work again
15:50<Gathond>why would that be a bug? that is how I've always had mine behave:)
15:50<Aleric>I thought it was: /etc/init.d/gdm start
15:50<Gathond> /etc/init.d/gdm restart will probably get it back
15:50<Aleric>but that didn't do it for me :/
15:51<Gathond>not quite sure whether that will kill your running X though, or work while C runs
15:51<Gathond>X anyway
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15:51<Aleric>[21:51] <-- mihau has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <-- it did restart X ;)
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15:52<Gathond>or he closed it
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15:53<mihau>there is no login screen at all :D
15:53<Aleric>mihau: I wrote a lot of stuff about xorg.conf too ... how to configure nvidia thus. If you are interested, it's somewhere on the nvidia forums.
15:54<obone>Would like some advises for choosing a MTA, exim or postfix with a light filtering feature and ldap ? link, behavior will be welcom ...
15:54<Aleric>It mostly deals with black screens and not working monitors though :p
15:54<mihau>i dont mind using startx
15:54<Aleric>exim rocks
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15:55<obone>Aleric: YES, but why ?
15:55<mihau>as you said yesterday, ive isntalled amd64 version;p
15:56<mihau>but ive got problem with java instalation
15:56<Aleric>obone: I got it working within a couple a weeks ;) ... And it rejects spam and other stuff when being received now, I like that: no bounces to "From: " lines - but a direct error code to the connected spammer.
15:56<mihau>no problem with flash
15:56<Aleric>That dropped the ammount of spam I got with a factor of 10
15:57<Aleric>mihau: You followed my iceweasel32 howto?
15:58<mihau>i googled
15:58<Aleric>I think they use this wrapper thingy by default, that's why flash works.
15:58<mihau>anywya, i havent heard of it ;p
15:58<Aleric>Everything works here... but I need to do more work on that page anyway :?
15:59<Aleric>One of my monitors went black and the screen saver wont wake up anymore :/
15:59<Aleric>How can I get my image back? grrr, buggy
15:59<mihau>dont ask me ;d
16:00<Aleric>I'll kill the screen saver, I guess...
16:00<obone>Aleric: is exim can manage alias in ldap ?
16:00<Aleric>I don't use ldap
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16:00<mihau>damn aptitude ;f
16:01<Aleric>@#!^@%$!%$@$ I killed the screen saver and the screen STILL stays black :/
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16:02<ohcibi|lappi>hi folks.... i'm tryin to run Xserver but it makes my ttys unavailable.... even if i shut it down.... what can be wrong?
16:04<mihau>ok, g2g, thanks for help and patience (Aleric:P)
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16:04<ohcibi|lappi>does anyone have an idea what could be the problem? have nvidia on 2.6.24 here
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16:59<blujay>I'm trying to get autofs to automount my external backup drive as a direct mount, and I've set up /etc/auto.master and pointed it to /etc/auto.backup, but when I reload autofs, it doesn't configure any mount points, and there are no errors, and nothing in syslog. Here are the files, any help?
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17:34<Beric>Anyone has experience installing debian on MSI laptops?
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17:35<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
17:35<azeem>Beric: see tuxmobile
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17:36<Beric>Alright, my exact problem is that with most distributions, when it booting linux and it trys to load mixer settings it wont move any further
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17:36<pumpkin0>there are +150 different MSI laptops. had to install 1-2 myself. Should i tell you about them ?
17:37<Supaplex>and what about debian? what model of laptop? If you haven't installed it, you leave most of us at a loss unless you at least try.
17:38<Supaplex>it's too hard to troubleshoot unless we can repicate it, or give you things to try if something is wrong
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17:38<Beric>MSI VR330 - I tried using the miniISO of Debian, and it gives the same result as I described before
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17:42<Supaplex>Beric: what happens when you ^C there? does it ever finish?
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17:43<Supaplex>Beric: you said 'most' distros. is there one that works well with audio?
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17:44<Beric>Well, Fedora 9 ALpha, and Ubuntu 7,04 worked, but they had other problems
17:44<Beric>there the problem was that headphones didnt mute the built in speakers
17:44<Beric>and I couldnt mute them manually either
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17:45<Supaplex>lspci -nn | grep Audio please
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17:46<Beric>1 sec
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17:49<Beric>hmm command not found
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17:50<Supaplex>on lspci?
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18:02<Beric>Thanks for your time Supaplex! i will ask help in person from someone, maybe I will be more clear that way :)
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18:17<razed>I'm looking to set up an SSH Daemon... Where is a good place to start researching this? Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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18:18<Aleric>razed: apt-get install openssh-server
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18:18<kubitz>Hello there I wanted to have Sound Recorder use lame to record in mp3 format. I have already installed lame from Debian multimedia and wanted a good howto relating to the use of extra codecs.
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18:18<wo0f_>im having probs with my laptop cooling fan:
18:18<wo0f_>i using a hp nx6325 as a dev server
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18:19<wo0f_>and installed debian with the 'laptop' pick of apps, with all the ahci stuff
18:19<wo0f_>but the laptop fan never turns off
18:19<wo0f_>even when the system is cool as a cucumber
18:19<wo0f_>iv tested the same hardware with ubuntu, and that handles it fine, turning fan on and off depending on temp
18:19<wo0f_>but obviously i dont wont to have to resort to using ubuntu
18:19<wo0f_>anyone any ideas?
18:19<wo0f_>are there any special kernal mods i have to loads manually at installation?
18:19<razed>openssh-server? Thanks, Aleric.
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18:22<kubitz>back soon
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18:31<decko>Guys, i need some help with xorg.conf. My file don't have any content! How my are working?
18:31<witte>wo0f_: thermal and fan?
18:32<weasel>decko: X is pretty good these days at detecing which HW you have.
18:32<witte>wo0f_: cpufreq also i guess, or some other frequency modulator
18:32<wo0f_>witte, there the mods i have to load?
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18:33<Supaplex>Beric: just ask the channel. anyway, you'll be better off once you know the audio hardware you're contending with. try google searches related to that+alsa. it'll help clear out more whitenoise. good luck. :)
18:33<witte>wo0f_: well, you should at least check them out
18:33<decko>weasel, I don't. Can I put the other things that I need there? Things like Composite, etc etc
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18:33<weasel>no idea
18:33<weasel>give it a try
18:33<witte>wo0f_: it depends on the hardware, but you can start with that
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18:34<wo0f_>witte, what can i search google for how to load them?
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18:34<witte>wo0f_: you can load them using modprobe
18:34<witte>wo0f_: what cpu do you got?
18:35<witte>wo0f_: and which kernel
18:35<wo0f_>32bit mobile version
18:35<wo0f_>using the -k7 kernal
18:35<wo0f_>lastest one
18:36<witte>wo0f_: maybe the powernowd package would be interesting for you
18:36<witte>apt-cache show powernowd
18:37<wo0f_>cheers witte
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18:52<hever>Google german ( seems to be down ?!
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18:54<Tarcas> works for me. Sure it's not your ISP?
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18:55<Supaplex>I blame submarine cables
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18:56<Tarcas>Sure it's not a satellite that crashed?
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18:58<Supaplex>I don't have to be completely accurate on that issue :)
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19:32<mxldr>yo. i just installed debian and its WAY cool. but when i type the letter 'f' followed by the letter 'i' like "fide" or "filmont" - it puts a space between the 'fi' and the following text. it turns 'fide' into 'fi de'
19:32<mxldr>how can i stop this?
19:32<dpkg>hmm... fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
19:33<dpkg>[ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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19:33<mxldr>how can i stop this? I'm trying to fix it, but no luck.
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19:34<elky>for starters, the operators are not personal help servants, so you need to get out of the habit of calling for them when you have a question
19:36<SharkMa-san>google is usually quite useful
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19:37<SharkMa-san>and usually the answer is on ubuntu forums lol
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19:42<brunokrebs>is there anyway that I can load any graphical program from ssh?
19:42<brunokrebs>I mean, there is kde running in my debian comp, and Im accessing this comp through ssh
19:43<phogg>brunokrebs: jsut forward the X connection
19:43<phogg>ssh -X and all that
19:43<brunokrebs>but when I try to run anything graphical, like calculator it gives me: cannot connect to X server
19:44<brunokrebs>phogg what would be that?
19:44<brunokrebs>because actually im connected on windows
19:44<phogg>brunokrebs: the X client (the application) needs to be able to connect to an X server. It will check the DISPLAY environment variable to find one. When you do ssh -X ssh will set up an X tunnel and make it look to the X client like localhost:10.0 (or similar)
19:44<brunokrebs>and I use putty to connect to debian
19:44<phogg>brunokrebs: in the putty options is an X forwarding option
19:45<phogg>brunokrebs: if you are using puty from a system that does not have X, e.g. windows, you will need to get a local X server running, such as xming
19:45<phogg>brunokrebs: there are a zillion howtos about this precise scenario. Google is your fiend.
19:45<phogg>er, friend
19:47<SharkMa-san>I've found a solution to 95% of my problems with the help of google :P
19:47<SharkMa-san>95% of my linux problems I mean
19:47<phogg>gurus know answers, experts know how to ask google
19:48<brunokrebs>anyway, I think this will make the program run in my windows right?
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19:49<SharkMa-san>I don't know if it's possible to make it work via putty
19:49<SharkMa-san>since windows doesn't use X
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19:51<brunokrebs>well what I had in mind, it can looks like a little bit weird, but was to show the program in the monitor attached to debian, not on windows
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19:51<brunokrebs>like from here, through ssh, I make appear a window there
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19:52<sco50000>brunokrebs: what are trying to do?
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19:53<BOOBA>someone good with crontab?
19:53<brunokrebs>to load kwifimanager, or any other kde program in my other computer
19:53<brunokrebs>but to show there
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19:53<brunokrebs>and Im trying to do this from my laptop(windows) which Im connected to debian through putty
19:54<brunokrebs>but it tells me: cannot connect to X server
19:54<witte>brunokrebs: i think you just have to set the DISPLAY variable correct
19:55<witte>brunokrebs: possibly use xhost
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19:55<brunokrebs>like where? in the command ./kwifimanager displayvariable?
19:55<Xenguy>brunokrebs: do you have an xserver like 'xming' installed on the wind0ze side?
19:56<sco50000>brunokrebs: so, you want to display debian programs on your windows laptop through ssh?
19:56<sco50000>if so, i highly reccomend putty & xming
19:56<brunokrebs>sco5000 no, sorry I think I cant explain
19:56<brunokrebs>anyway dont worry, I have a debian book somewhere
19:56<witte>no, he wants tto start programs on his laptop throug ssh, but show them on his debian pc
19:57<brunokrebs>witte got it
19:57<brunokrebs>witte is wise
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19:59<giant>I have totem, mplayer, VLC, and xine installed
19:59<giant>and none of them will start
20:00<brunokrebs>I think you have to explain a little bit further
20:00<giant>sorry I started trying to find log entries
20:01<giant>i'm running etch
20:01<giant>I've downloaded a couple video files and was trying to watch them
20:01<giant>however when totem starts, it immediatly crashes,
20:01<giant>xine will start but immediately close without complaint.
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20:02<giant>VLC, and mplayer won't even start (or show no signs of starting)
20:02*giant is getting a list of versions now
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20:02<dinoxp>please help drivers sound card creative
20:03<brunokrebs>vlc and mplayer they dont start never, or just when you try to open it directly associating with the video files?
20:03<giant>never... they won't start ever
20:03<dinoxp>no sound on pi pc
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20:04<dinoxp>my pc
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20:04<dinoxp>not instal sound card
20:04<dinoxp>any people help my
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20:05<giant>ouch... seems that xine, gmplayer, wxvlc, and gnome-video-thu all segfault
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20:05<giant>or so its showing in syslog... the common thread in those I can think would be a codec
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20:06<giant>am I on the right track thinking a bad codec could cause none of them to start?
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20:07<BOOBA>someone has a screenshot of his debian ?
20:07<phogg>BOOBA: why?
20:07<BOOBA>just to look
20:07<sco50000>BOOBA: google it
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20:14<gsimmons>!tell dinoxp -about alsa
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20:14<gsimmons>dinoxp: Which Creative Labs sound card do you have?
20:15<dinoxp>extrem music
20:16<gsimmons>dinoxp: Oh dear. You're sadly out of luck with that.
20:16<gsimmons>!tell dinoxp -about x-fi
20:16<dinoxp>a im drivers for this
20:17<id>where i can download a source code for parport_pc module?
20:17<dinoxp>not instal in linux]
20:17<dinoxp>my in linux is bad ai have linux on day
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20:19<giant>my xine is 0.99.5cvs, mplayer -v segfaults, and I've got a backtrace on totem
20:19<dinoxp>wat instal drivers in linux
20:19<giant>but I'm not completely sure what I'm looking at
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20:20<dinoxp>esta por ai alguem que fale portugues
20:20<Aleric>!tell dinoxp about alsa-checklist
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20:22<dinoxp>ai have drivers fron creative my not save instal this in linux
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20:23<Aleric>don't they speak portugese in brazil?
20:23<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:24<flami>Hi, Im useing lenny , Im trying to get file shareing on the local network. But instead of the "share as smb ..." I only get that i have to configure the shareing , and that i dont have permission to share stuff. the problem is that no matter what i set I always get the same dialogue .
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20:25<phogg>flami: and how is it you are configuring samba?
20:25<flami>well I can share stuff as root .
20:26<flami>but not with my user . Cant figure out where im missing stuff right now :/
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20:27<flami>I dont think its a problem directly related to samba , its more that KDE doesnt allow my user to make shares.
20:31<dinoxp>como se instala uma driver no linux
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20:31<dinoxp>ajuda por favos
20:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:34<datura>anyone setup a dvorak kb?
20:34<giant>ok I think I'm getting closer. I checked my synaptic history and over the last week I've updated alot of libraries
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20:36<giant>I think the last one of libquicktime0 is the one that did it
20:37<gsimmons>datura: It's just a matter of changing your console/X keymap.
20:37<gsimmons>!tell datura -about keymap
20:40<datura>i used setxkbmap dvorak, but when i logout the setting is nomore
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20:42<datura>i will man keymap.
20:42<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
20:42<gsimmons>datura: ^^^^
20:44<datura>yeah? srry im pecking like its my first day.
20:44<datura>drxx ?
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20:47<gsimmons>datura: You can permanently adjust your Xorg configuration using the command provided by dpkg above. You can specify "dvorak" for the keyboard variant when prompted.
20:47<datura>ok dpkg' thank you gsimmions
20:47<datura>thank you
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20:52<KRStjAN>hi. i have a little problem with the vpnc.
20:52<KRStjAN>I try to start vpnc, but only as root it work correct. a normal user can not start vpnc. the error message:
20:52<KRStjAN>/usr/sbin/vpnc-connect: binding to port 500: Permission denied
20:53<KRStjAN>I do not know, what i can do. i do not want to run vpnc as root!
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20:53<KRStjAN>As root I become this message:
20:53<KRStjAN>VPNC started in background (pid: 4227)...
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20:55<gsimmons>KRStjAN: You'll need to change the port, then. Only root can open sockets on privileged ports (ie. <1024).
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21:00<KRStjAN>@gsimmons: hi. that sound logically. but how can i change the port? i do not found any commands in the help or man.
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21:01<KRStjAN>okay- long-help..I found it.
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21:06<KRStjAN>okay, i change the port to 9876... now this error message is on the consol:
21:06<KRStjAN>/usr/sbin/vpnc: can't initialise tunnel interface: Operation not permitted
21:06<KRStjAN>my firewall did not recongize anything on port 9876, so where can be now the misstake...?
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21:06<datura>about dvorak kb, can i just change xorg.conf?
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21:07<gotha>hello guys
21:07<gotha>I have really bad problem
21:07<gsimmons>datura: `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' does this for you, but you can also modify this file directly.
21:07<gotha>do you know something about acpid ?
21:08<gotha>apt-get install -f
21:08<gotha>returns this :
21:08<gotha> acpi-support-base depends on acpid (>= 1.0.4); however:
21:08<gotha>Package acpid is not configured yet.
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21:09<gotha>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of acpi-support:
21:09<gotha> acpi-support depends on acpi-support-base; however:
21:09<gotha> Package acpi-support-base is not configured yet.
21:09<gotha> acpi-support depends on acpid (>= 1.0.4); however:
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21:10<gotha>and this is package ruins acpi-support-base and everything else
21:10<gotha>any ideas ?
21:11<gotha>ok, whatever
21:11<gotha>sorry for spamming
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21:12<Aleric>WARNING: Rejecting possible directory (block #1639787) because an entry contains legal but unlikely characters: ''.
21:12<Aleric>What kind of filename is that?
21:12<Aleric>Looks like an url where '/' is replaced by '_'
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21:13<atrus>Aleric: cookie or web cache file?
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21:13<Aleric>atrus: In what directory would these be?
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21:15<atrus>.firefox or .mozilla somewhere maybe?
21:15<atrus>just a guess
21:16<atrus>probabbly not terribly important?
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21:20<Aleric>I reject whole directories, as if it "can't be a real directory block" when I encounter a filename in it with a '\'' or '&' ...
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21:20<Aleric>I think I better just accept it - it's legal after all, and some applications actually use those characters it seems.
21:20<atrus>could you elaborate on what you're actually doing?
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21:21<Aleric>Sure... if you wait till it processed this 10GB again, I'll paste something on a paste site to make it clear ;)
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21:22<Aleric>Geesh, should accept ';' in filenames too...
21:22<Aleric>This filename has ' ' in it... must be some bug, but it's still a file :/
21:22<datura>ok gsimmons, you still there? i switched machines (and installed mirc) so i can type well.
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21:23<gsimmons>datura: Are you still attempting to adjust your console and X keymaps?
21:24<Aleric>atrus: I'm writing this application:
21:24<datura>i dont mind using the dpkg-reconfigure console-data but (Yes i am,,,) but my issue is with my vid card and related info.
21:24<datura>this program asks for vidieo card info that i dont know nor where to get.
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21:25<datura>im using a ppc
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21:27<Aleric>It finds a lot of directory blocks with the same inode reference :/
21:27<Aleric>That sucks
21:27<datura>where can i find out what x server driver im using? maybe in xorg.conf?
21:30<path_>or using cat && some log file
21:30<path_>for instance
21:30<path_>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep 'i810'
21:30<gsimmons>datura: Your current X server driver would be automatically selected. You should be able to accept the pre-answered questions (your defaults) until you're asked to autodetect your keyboard layout.
21:31<datura>uh,,, jest a sec (make things easy...)
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21:31<path_>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep 'LoadModule'
21:31<path_>that works also :)
21:33<agus>how do i evoid the load of a module, i read about hotplug, udev and modeprobe.conf, but nothing of that work for me... i'm not usin initramfs
21:33<datura>ok, [I] auto detect... get a list i saw on xorg.conf i have an ati... [enter, enter again past identifier misc info] and BOOM! Video card's bus indentifier?
21:34<datura>whats that? and where to find it? i didn't see any param in xorg.conf regarding this i belive
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21:34<gsimmons>!tell agus -about blacklist
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21:35<Aleric>datura: lspci maybe
21:35<datura>what? im sorry i dont mean to cause confusion.
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21:36<datura>Aleric, gsimmons, could i just not specify anyhthing?
21:36<gsimmons>datura: Was a default value supplied?
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21:37<datura>just a scary blank feild
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21:37<Aleric>datura: I think it wants something like 01:00.0
21:37<Aleric>execute the command lspci
21:37<datura>hmmm, ok! i'll try it
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21:38<Aleric>however, it should autodetect it if it was pci ...
21:38<datura>(typing qwerty on one machine and dvorak on the other is goofy :))
21:39<datura>i have a imac ppc if it helps
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21:41<datura>well gsimmions it didn't work but instead of proceeding thru the questioning like before with no indication of a screw up it has now stoped me dead in my tracks with a message (incorrect format for the bus identifier)
21:41<agus>thanks gsimmons, I was forgeting discover
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21:41<datura>could i leave it blank?
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21:42<datura>Aleric! that command worked!
21:42<datura>thanks man!
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21:43<datura>omg, i didn't work
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21:44<datura>incorect format,
21:44<GhostlyDeath>datura: file a bug report on yourself
21:45<gsimmons>datura: For the BusID? You'd want a format similar to "PCI:0:16:0".
21:46<datura>i should, i tried a few different combinations,, im just going to play with this for a little bit,
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21:50<datura>0000:00:10.0 is the indentifier,,, it must be PCI becuase i used lspci to find it, i tried PCI:0000:00:10.0 and PCI:00:10.0
21:50<datura>i dont know what i could be doing wrong,
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22:01<fbi_>anyon using kiba on debian etch??
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22:12<Enfi|ade>Is anyone in here using a Chaintech AV-710?
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22:12<Enfi|ade>I am having trouble controlling the volume of mine
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22:40<d3ads0ul>can anyone help me with an ubuntu problem?
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22:41<alaya>d3ads0ul: try out #ubuntu on freenode
22:41<d3ads0ul>i did and had no help
22:42<alaya>people probably won't help here, since there are some differences between ubuntu and debian
22:42<d3ads0ul>wondering if maybe you guys could help me
22:42<d3ads0ul>i cant burn dvds
22:42<d3ads0ul>i can cds
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22:43<d3ads0ul>thinking maybe there were similarities
22:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
22:44<d3ads0ul>i thought id try
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22:46<jogui_>hello :)
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22:47<gpm>hey guys. i installed the nvidia driver, it shows up in lsmod, however i think nv is being used, there is no "device" section in my xorg and when i dpkg-reconfigure, it doesn't ask me which video driver to use (i'm on sid, i think it's trying to automagically handle this stuff), how can i force xorg to use nvidia?
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22:50<alaya>gpm: did you try with the -plow option?
22:51<jogui_>may i ask some help here? I am a beginner who fight with his sources.list. In fact i don t find the driver for my humble i910... and i think it's because it's in the non-free part.. therefore i changed it... however...
22:51<gpm>alaya: no, thanks, trying.
22:51<gpm>alaya: still didn't ask :(
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22:55<path_>jogui_, try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
22:55<jogui_>but it doesn t find it in the apt-cache
22:55<alaya>gpm: is the nvidia module for your kernel installed?
22:55<jogui_>ok i try
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22:55<gpm>alaya: yes.
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22:56<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
22:56<path_>!sources.list jogui_
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22:57<jogui_> !sources.list
22:57<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
22:57<gpm>alaya: just had to manually tell the xorg file to use nvidia, the autoconfig was going to nv, i used nvidia-xconfig to fix it. thanks!
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22:57<jogui_>got it
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23:05<jogui__>.. woo!
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23:08<jogui__>i have just read that there is no xserver-xorg-video-intel for etch... just for lenny... is that true ?
23:09<Supaplex>!info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch
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23:10<jogui__>!info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch
23:10<Supaplex>!+info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch
23:10<dpkg>Package 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' does not exist.
23:10<Supaplex>apt-cache search intel | grep xorg
23:10<path_>jogui__, try xserver-xorg-video-i810
23:11<jogui__>i just installed it
23:11<jogui__>i can already feel the thousand error messages xD
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23:12<Supaplex>error: buy something else next time
23:12<jogui__>dpkg-reconfigure... trying
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23:15<jogui__>"buy" :o what a horror word
23:16<Supaplex>isn't it though
23:17<jogui__>it is it is
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23:18<checc>ciao ciao
23:18<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
23:18<dpkg>one warez list being sent to checc
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23:19<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
23:20<jogui__>it is nice... how are supposed to do people who don t speak english... to FIND that link to the french help xD
23:20<otho>or esperanto
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23:21<jogui__>or any language xD
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23:50<MrNfector>quick question for somebody, haven't gotten a conclusive answer from google yet.... in /etc/network/interfaces, if the interface doesn't have "auto eth0" but instead has "allow-hotplug eth0" will the interface start at boot?
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