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00:27<chandu>Hi
00:27<chandu>What may be the reasons for slow image download
00:27<chandu>I have HP Compaq Dc7800 machine, over which I am trying to download the image from my local server using wget
00:27<chandu>but the download is getting slow
00:28<chandu>Disk is detected as /dev/hda
00:28<chandu>kernel I tried on 2.6.19 and 2.6.23
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00:55<aoisora>Excuse Me!! I Use Ubuntu7.10 , And I Use Weberp Php Program . But Weberp's Language File Is .po , I Can't Change Language . I Am Not Sure That I Don't Install Some Packages . Please Tell Me Thank You !! (PS:Apache2.2.4 Php5.2.3 Mysql5.0.45)
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01:00<aoisora>Can Someone Help Me
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01:06<sco50000>!tell aoisora about ask
01:07<aoisora>Excuse Me!! I Use Ubuntu7.10 , And I Use Weberp Php Program . But Weberp's Language File Is .po , I Can't Change Language . I Am Not Sure That I Don't Install Some Packages . Please Tell Me Thank You !! (PS:Apache2.2.4 Php5.2.3 Mysql5.0.45)
01:08<valdyn>aoisora: /j #ubuntu
01:08<sco50000>aoisora: you only have to capitalise the first letter of each sentence...
01:09<aoisora>Thank You !! I Am Trying
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01:27<JustSoul>good morning
01:27<Supaplex>sco50000: I That Is A Quote Of The Day Entry On Dpkg. :D
01:27<Supaplex>er, should be a new one. :)
01:28<Supaplex>morning? I didn't get the memo for that. I better call the guys in the big blue room and ask why they left the lights off too long.
01:28<Supaplex>oh! that's why, there's a service order on it already. they say they'll have it fixed within a day.
01:29<JustSoul>=/
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01:31<alaya>moor goodning, as i like to say
01:33<shastry>is there a fix for the vmsplice exploit?
01:35<JustSoul>How to edit action menu (right button mouse on file)(I know only by editing ".../servicemenus/" dir)? Is it possible to make submenu?
01:36<JustSoul>in kde
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01:37<sukria>erim.net
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01:38<shastry>JustSoul: X-KDE-Submenu= in .desktop file
01:38<shastry>http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html
01:39<JustSoul>shastry: thx
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02:05<oalvarez>Anyone knows a library to parse INI files available in Debian?
02:05<Slydder>morning all
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02:06<octal>in C
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02:09<JustSoul>Slydder: morning
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02:16<vsayikiran>how should i upgrade etch to lenny
02:17<gsimmons>!tell vsayikiran -about etch->lenny
02:17<sco50000>gsimmons: you beat me too it :P
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02:19<SecretLine>i like sid
02:19<SecretLine>it goes so fast
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02:20<vsayikiran>suppose i edited my sources.lst file such that third field contains stable and after lenny becomes stable will etch be automatically upgraded to lenny by running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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02:23<vsayikiran>is it possible to upgrade etch to lenny (once lenny becomes the next stable version) by changing all occurences of etch to stable in sources.lst file
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02:24<vsayikiran>is it possible to upgrade etch to lenny (once lenny becomes the next stable version) by changing all occurences of etch to stable in sources.lst file. help needed plz answer to my question
02:25<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: yes.
02:25<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: so i dont have to run apt-get dist-upgrade then
02:26<dondelelcaro>uh... you do have to run apt-get dist-upgrade or it's equivalent if you actually want to upgrade.
02:26<dondelelcaro>(but the release notes for lenny will explain the precise process required)
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02:27<Supaplex>vsayikiran: when lenny is released, there will be a release guide for that.
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02:27<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: please give me the links of those release noted
02:28<Supaplex>!tell vsayikiran -about etch->lenny
02:28<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: lenny hasn't released, so they don't exist. You can read the equivalent instructions for etch if you want. Just search for 'etch release notes'
02:28<vsayikiran>when lenny is going to be released its already one year since etch has released
02:28<KaiSVK>hi all, I would like to ask if it is possible to run windows or other linux distro in XEN without VT processor ?
02:28<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: when it's ready, of course.
02:28<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: we don't release on a set schedule, so the fact that etch has been released for almost a year is meaningless.
02:29<Supaplex>KaiSVK: only if the os supports xen. so no for windows.
02:29<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: iasked because linux version are released once in 6 months
02:29<KaiSVK>Supaplex, and what about ... running red hat es on debian based xen machine ?
02:29<KaiSVK>Supaplex, for just and example
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02:30<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: versions of the kernel aren't released every six moths.
02:30<Supaplex>KaiSVK: if the kernel has xen drivers as a guest, yes. I've lost touch with xen a little, so I don't know specific examples.
02:30<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: they're released whenever linux feels that they're ready to be released.
02:30<dondelelcaro>s/linux/linus/
02:30<Supaplex>vsayikiran: hence the -rc versions :)
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02:31<KaiSVK>Supaplex, so please, you are very helpful, but what should be good tool to virtualize for a server with lot of power but without VT processor? I would like to run windows on it... :/
02:32<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: by linux i didnt mean linux kernel, but the debian versions etc, i read somewhere in net so i had this doubt that why lenny is not released till now
02:32<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: well, wherever you read that didn't know what they were talking about.
02:32<Supaplex>KaiSVK: qemu I guess
02:33<Supaplex>!tell KaiSVK -about search
02:33<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: different components like Gnome may have a time-based release schedule, but we release distributions with far more things than a single window manager, and don't follow arbitrary calendar-based schedules.
02:34<Supaplex>KaiSVK: fwiw, I have an am2 amd cpu. I stopped using xen. it's still 'beta' imo. there's a lot of quirks, and it runs fantastic, but there are a lot of obnoxious things to contend with.
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02:35<kasj>With netstat -taup i can see that sunrpc is listening on port 111, i can stop it with /etc/init.d/portmap stop. If i try to remove any symlinks with "update-rc.d -f portmap remove" no links are removed, this should be the right way to remove the startup links regarding to the manuals i have read. The system is Debian Etch
02:35<dondelelcaro>kasj: you just want to turn the S links into K links, not actually remove them.
02:36<dondelelcaro>kasj: if you remove all of the links, then enext time you upgrade portmap, they will be reinstalled.
02:36<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: thanks for all those information
02:37<seanius>we really need to communicate more clearly about how update-rc.d is *not* the tool to use to disable init scripts
02:38<vsayikiran>dondelelcaro: still is there any likelihood of lenny being released in next two or three months
02:38<seanius>heh
02:39<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: no.
02:39<dondelelcaro>vsayikiran: lenny won't be released until december at the earliest.
02:39<Supaplex>vsayikiran: it's not even frozen yet
02:40<KaiSVK>qemu seems to be fine ... do it need standalone X server
02:40<KaiSVK>?
02:41<kasj>dondelelcaro: If this is the case i can see that the method i use is very ineffective =)
02:41<Supaplex>KaiSVK: how many users is this for?
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02:42<kasj>seanius: What would You recommend then? if update-rc.d is not the tool
02:43<KaiSVK>Supaplex, I dont know actually, the point is we are trying to centralize our many small servers on one big and powerfull server :/ I am at the stage of finding best virtualization solution
02:45<Supaplex>KaiSVK: vmware-server 1 could be a good fit for you until your hardware is ready to support everything xen offers. hopefully by then, it'll be better too. :)
02:45<seanius>kasj: there's a number of sysv wrappers available, or you could just mv the SNN script to KNN in the directory for your runlevel
02:46<Supaplex>KaiSVK: we don't support it here. it's $0 to download+install, but may require $$$ for support (if you can't beg on their forums)
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02:50<KaiSVK>Supaplex, I have been told right now, that we will not use it for windows virt. machines
02:51<KaiSVK>Supaplex, so we are right know comparing vserver and openvz, it would be great if they support many linux distros :)
02:51<Supaplex>'it' ? the box? vmware? world domination?
02:51<Supaplex>vserver is one kernel
02:51<Supaplex>!vserver
02:51<dpkg>Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver
02:52<Supaplex>all your guests and the host are running from the same runtime/kernel.
02:52<kasj>seanius: I have just read about rcconf and sysv-rc-conf, but i think that i will use mv instead
02:57<seanius>kasj: yes, that's my favorite tool too :)
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02:57<Supaplex>chmod -x ftw! ;)
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03:12<SecretLine>the last kernel 2.6.24.2 has the vmsplice exploit?
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03:30<morgan`>hello
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03:34<KaiSVK>oooh my ... one could use university degree in virtualization to make sense in all those virtualization tools and techniques
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03:36<taxido>Hello everybady
03:37<JustSoul>http://paste.debian.net/48906 - Why?
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03:39<JustSoul>Bash: "While" loop create own variables?
03:40<SecretLine>ask in freenode...
03:40<SecretLine>:/
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03:44<KaiSVK>and ... is it possible to run just say red hat es on debian based xen ?
03:45<alaya>KaiSVK: under any vm
03:45<alaya>KaiSVK: i prefer kvm which is simpler and more stable
03:45<KaiSVK>alaya, as paravirtualized right ? ?
03:45<KaiSVK>alaya, cause the problem I have described here is that Xeon on the server has no VT :(
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03:46<KaiSVK>alaya, so no full virtualization
03:46<alaya>kvm supports vt
03:46<KaiSVK>alaya, but my Xeon does not ... that;s the problem
03:46<alaya>it runs without it, but not as well
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03:50<KaiSVK>alaya, what does it mean not as well ? :)
03:51<alaya>KaiSVK: you'd have to read around, but i think it runs markedly slower without
03:52<alaya>KaiSVK: if this is serious, you might also want to look into vmware
03:52<alaya>KaiSVK: stable and very good performance.
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03:52<KaiSVK>alaya, do I need X server on guest ?
03:53<alaya>for vmware
03:53<alaya>not kvm
03:54<alaya>oh, maybe vmware server doesn't need it. not sure about that.
03:54<KaiSVK>alaya, did you try openvz ?
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03:55<alaya>no. i really like kvm on a vt cpu though
03:55<alaya>for non-X servers its clean, simple, and fast
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03:56<alaya>x performance is ok for general stuff, but not for games or something
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04:06<trueno>I am experiencing a very strange behavior, my computer works ok from console, can ping itself perfectly but loses pings if I try to ping the gw. It worked perfectly until couple of days ago. What can I do?
04:07<trueno>processor use and network use is very low
04:07<KaiSVK>could I use virtualbox from command line only ?
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04:08<sco50000>trueno: you can always ping yourself. it looks like you don't have a connection to the gateway
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04:09<trueno>sco50000: If I hadn' i could get no ping, not just lose some, that's the weird thing
04:09<alaya>trueno: is the link light on the NIC?
04:10<trueno>I have checked the cable and changed the switch port
04:10<trueno>alaya: yes
04:10<alaya>trueno: if its not a bad link and the link light is on then it is misconfigured
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04:11<alaya>manually configure with ifconfig and test
04:12<trueno>alaya: I can ping any computer in the network, but I am getting a 65% packet loss... Is there any timeout I might have to change? The computer having problems is very slow, but cpu usage and load are next to 0, I don't know ...
04:12<trueno>what to do...
04:13<alaya>you just said cannot ping gw
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04:13<alaya>oh it loses pings. sorry
04:14<trueno>alaya: I am losing packets, although it can reach any other computer in the network
04:14<alaya>does another box have the same ip address?
04:14<alaya>or something causing heavy congestion on the net?
04:15<alaya>is it wireless?
04:15<trueno>alaya: no, nothing, I guess, no p2p, and very low activity in the router
04:15<trueno>alaya: wired
04:15<trueno>alaya: it is very strange
04:16<klando>I just *heard* that finally apt come back to the level of aptitude, and is now better than aptitude .... about dependencies orphan ... someone aware of such a thing ?
04:16<alaya>maybe a duplex issue or something with the switch?
04:16<Lynoure>trueno: so you lose packets even to a next hop target?
04:16<trueno>alaya: duplex issue?
04:16<trueno>Lynoure: yes
04:16<Lynoure>Could be the closest switch, often is. or your cable to it...
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04:17<trueno>Lynoure: with eth cable and the rest of the computers working ok suposedly
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04:18<trueno>Lynoure: alaya: even wireless connected ones
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04:18<alaya>trueno: if the switch port is set to half-duplex and the NIC is at full, or vice-versa
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04:20<alaya>trueno: or even the nic is failing. or the switch is hot. hot switches will fail like that.
04:20<trueno>alaya: the switch is part of a dsl router, so everything should be full (the nic is full for sure, kernel says so)
04:21<alaya>maybe firmware update the router
04:21<Lynoure>trueno: I'm confused now... you have having this problem both through your eth and wlan nics?
04:22<trueno>alaya: yes, but the thing is that this problem is only related to one computer
04:22<trueno>Lynoure: no, only one computer sonnected via eth. The rest work ok (both wired and wless)
04:23<Lynoure>trueno: ok... cable you already changed?
04:23<Lynoure>trueno: try with eth1, if you have two eths
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04:24<Lynoure>trueno: then try different switch ports, if you haven't yet. Sometimes individual ports get faulty.
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04:26<trueno>Lynoure: yes, same thing with different ports, cables and nics
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04:28<trueno>Lynoure: alaya: I will try some more time, thanks for your help :-)
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04:28<Lynoure>trueno: checked the dublex an the switch side, if you can.
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04:29<trueno>Lynoure: the dublex??
04:29<Lynoure>trueno: good luck with it all. Last time I had something like that, it was a nic being fried evil, so it would mess up everything for everything attached to the closest switch for 60% of the time. Took me about 3h to find...
04:29<prahal>hi did other users had issues with network-manager/wpasupplicant after upgrading to kernel 2.6.24 ? The list of wireless network is broken for me (downgrading the kernel fixes it)
04:29<Lynoure>trueno: sorry, non-native here... duplex
04:30<alaya>trueno: you could also disable radio on the router
04:30<alaya>just to test
04:30<trueno>Lynoure: alaya: thanks, lets see what I find...
04:31<trueno>:-)
04:31<trueno>bye!
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04:32<alaya>bye
04:33<lockoff>can the failure of gtk package prevent from starting the gui desktop?
04:33<lockoff>on debian
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04:33<alaya>if the window manager depends on it
04:33<lockoff>where is the bootlog?
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04:34<alaya>/var/log/syslog
04:34<lockoff>thanx
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04:34<lockoff>oh, one more
04:34<lockoff>path to usb device is /media/...?
04:34<lockoff>usb0 for example?
04:35<alaya>is it automounted? mount command will show where it gets mounted
04:36<Jon>if automounted, usually via pmount, /media/foo for disk label "foo"
04:36<lockoff>it didnt automount before the gtk went bad
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04:36<Jon>otherwise watch dmesg for the /dev/sdXY (x = alpha, Y = numeric) to find the dev for the partition and mount by hand
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04:37<lockoff>ill try to remember that :-)
04:37<Jeffro>Hey there How do I export a list of all files that are in a folder with only the extention .bsp? without the date and all that stuff?
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04:38<alaya>Jeffro: with find command
04:38<Jeffro>I want to export it easily to a txt file :)
04:38<alaya>redirect the output
04:39<Jeffro>how? xD
04:39<alaya>man find
04:39<alaya>> is redirect operator
04:39<Jon>Jeffro: I'd suggest finding a beginner's guide to the UNIX shell to learn about pipes, redirection, and similar topics
04:39<Jeffro>find *.bsp > maplist.txt
04:39<Jeffro>xD
04:40<Jeffro>Yh its just to make a easy css maplist
04:40<Jeffro>I know most stuff
04:40<Jeffro>But needed a good command
04:40<Jeffro>yup it worked
04:40<Jeffro>ty
04:40<Jon>that find command would not work properly for nested directories
04:41<JustSoul>Is it possible: to create symlinks on remote smb-share? (Samba can work with symlinks?)
04:41<Jon>*bsp is being expanded by the shell - so find is getting a pre-prepared list of files passed to it and not doing any digging itself. prob. equivalent to ls -1 *bsp > maplist.txt
04:42<Jeffro>Doesnt mather all maps are in one directory after all
04:42<Jeffro>And it worked for me :)
04:42<Jeffro>So stil lty
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04:53<JustSoul>Is it possible: to create symlinks on remote smb-share? (Samba can work with symlinks?)
04:54*w0t is going out of town for a couple of days, bbl [amsg]
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04:57<alaya>samba doesn't care if the fs on the server supports it
04:58<alaya>it will look like a normal file/directory
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05:02<weasel>not necessarily.
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05:02<weasel>cifs will send symlinks as symlinks.
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05:03<alaya>maybe i am wrong. i think it doesn't care on ext and a few others
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05:04<alaya>nite all
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05:06<ankit>hi does anyone know how to make netscape detect truetype fonts on a debian system
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05:07<Slydder>can somebody take a look and let me know wtf is happening. I can't even get ip to add a route for 195.98.207.84/28 and all other guest servers are running and have connection. .84 is the only one without. thanks. http://paste.linux-vserver.org/11740
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05:09<ankit>hi does anyone know how to make netscape detect truetype fonts on a debian system
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05:11<DTE>hi all
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05:13<ankit>hi does anyone know how to make netscape detect truetype fonts on a debian system
05:13<hypnotic>hi there, I was just updating lenny with synaptic when a system crashed occured, had to hard reset, now I am not sure if the updating went correctly, history doesnt show the updates of today, anybody know how i can chack/correct this?
05:14<petemc>just start the update again
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05:15<hypnotic>petemc: reload and mark all upgrades dont show anything to update at this moment
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05:16<petemc>i know nothing about synaptic, perhaps try aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade
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05:16<Gromitt>I have an AMD64 system with a ia32bit chroot. I would like to install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev, but these have dependencies to nvidia-kernel.
05:16<JustSoul>weasel: samba only follow symlinks, but not send them. If I mount smb-share under debian, it show symlinks as normal folder
05:17<lockoff>so, nano cant opn syslog, permision denied
05:17<Gromitt>Is it possible with m-a a-i to install these deb-package nvidia-kernel?
05:17<Gromitt>in the chroot even. On the main system, it works...
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05:19<prahal>anyone using network manager with 2.6.24 kernel ?
05:19<lockoff>why cant nano open the syslog?
05:20<petemc>what does it say?
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05:20<lockoff>permision denied
05:20<petemc>thats why
05:20<lockoff>who has the permision?
05:20<petemc>root, and anyone in the adm group
05:21<lockoff>yep, thats me :-)
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05:21<petemc>evidently not
05:21<lockoff>I loged in
05:22<lockoff>in at boot and failed to start gui desktop
05:22<prahal>lockoff, having an account named adm is not enough . It has to be member of the group adm too
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05:23<lockoff>I am in it
05:23<JustSoul>weasel: ou, sorry. If mount as cifs, everything work
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05:23<prahal>hum weird . groups <your_user> shows it ?
05:24<JustSoul>weasel: thx
05:24<lockoff>i know I entered myself into the admin group
05:26<prahal>but did you logged off and logged in afterwards ?
05:26<lockoff>i didi it weak ago
05:27<prahal>admin or adm ?
05:27<lockoff>but i was still unable to save *.conf files in text manager, only in terminal with nano
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05:27<padski>I have a third-party script (dated december) that tries to wget fakeroot_1.8.10.tar.gz from ftp.debian.org, but it is no longer there. I will report a bug to them. what would be a better way for them to do this ?
05:28<petemc>host the file themselves?
05:28<lockoff>if there are both I added myself to both
05:29<petemc>lockoff: if you were in the adm group you would be able to view log files
05:29<padski>petemc, that may make sense in this instance and I will suggest it, but I was actually wondering whether there is a more permanent URL
05:29<petemc>pass
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05:30<lockoff>how do I log in as root then?
05:30<lockoff>do not enter login?
05:30<petemc>who put you in charge of a computer?
05:30<lockoff>me
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05:31<lockoff>I install deb
05:31<JustSoul>weasel: no, not everything =/ ..
05:31<lockoff>*installed
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05:32<JustSoul>If smb-server "think" that symlink is dead (commonly, because remote created), it do not transfer it to client!!
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05:34<JustSoul>damn
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05:36<JustSoul>How to work with symlinks on smb-share (mounted as cifs)? If smb-server "think" that symlink is dead (commonly, because remote created), it do not transfer it to client!!
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05:37<lockoff>petemc: I was able to view everything, just culdnt save it
05:37<lockoff>now, nano doesn't event want to show me
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05:44<prahal>JustSoul, maybe set "follow symlinks = no" in your smb server conf ?
05:45<lockoff>mam problem s balickem gtk :-/
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05:53<lockoff>can anyone help me with setting up wifi connection through command line so I can let apt fix packages?
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06:03<lockoff> can anyone help me with setting up wifi connection through command line so I can let apt fix packages?
06:04<padski>lockoff, WEP or WPA ?
06:04<pumpkin0>depends on your wifi-chipset.
06:04<Gekz>WEPA
06:05<lockoff>none
06:05<lockoff>just ssid ip and gateway
06:05<lockoff>cant find iwconfig
06:05<padski>lockoff, you need iwconfig
06:05<lockoff>nor if...
06:05<azeem>!installit
06:05<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
06:06<lockoff>I had it
06:06<azeem>lockoff: maybe you're not root?
06:06<Gekz>sudo iwconfig
06:06<Gekz>coincidence?
06:06<Gekz>I think not!
06:07<lockoff>everything was fine befor I started upgrading with synaptic
06:07<padski>Gekz, play nicely please
06:07<lockoff>some packages got messed up
06:07<lockoff>didnt do any major changes
06:07<Gekz>I crippled lenny with a power outage during aptitude safe-upgrade
06:07<Gekz>it fails to install gcc
06:07<Gekz>:/
06:07<azeem>lockoff: what does "dpkg -l wireless-tools | tail -1" say?
06:08<lockoff>mostly regular updates selected automaticly
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06:08<lockoff>have to reboot :-) its on this machine
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06:10<lockoff>some other info i should get?
06:10<azeem>dunno
06:11<lockoff>brb then
06:11<azeem>the output of "apt-get -f install", maybe
06:11<lockoff>okee
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06:23<stuart>Why wont my disk mount writeable with fstab entry /dev/sdd1 /mnt/sdd1 ext2 user
06:23<Torsten_W>/dev/sdd1 /mnt/sdd1 ext2 defaults 0 0
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06:24<stuart>really? lemme see
06:24<Torsten_W>stuart: and u must set the rights with chown and chmod on an linux-fs
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06:24<pumpkin0>stuart: cause the ext2-permissions will block the user. It has nothing to do with the mounting.
06:24<Torsten_W>stuart: in fstab u can't give rights on linux-fs
06:26<stuart>Torsten_W: So what is the best way to get access to external drive? After reading stuff on mount I thought I could do so from the terminal and to make it persistent at the next reboot would have to add to fstab. However, I kept getting messages that the entry wasn't in fstab etc.... Not sure what the chown and chmod are... How do I get those commands to stick for next reboot?
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06:27<Torsten_W>stuart: read the manpage of chown/chmod
06:27<stuart>ok
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06:30<lockoff>i am back
06:30<lockoff>able to connect
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06:30<lockoff>now i need to find out which vital packages are broken
06:31<lockoff>didnt see anything suspicious in syslog
06:32<lockoff>which packages prevent starting the gui desktop
06:33<pumpkin0>lockoff: mostly xorg. check the xorg-log.
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06:33<lockoff>which is where?
06:34<lockoff>var/log?
06:34<cyrus82>hello! Does anybody know if there is an easy way to check if a newer kernel is installed than the currently running one? (so if a reboot is required)
06:34<pumpkin0>lockoff: /var/log/xorg*.log
06:35<lockoff>:-)
06:35<lockoff>argh, brb
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06:37<seanius>cyrus82: compare uname -r with the contents of /boot?
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06:38<cyrus82>seanius, yes i compare it to the output of dpkg -l linux-image but the comparision is not so easy if you look at the naming scheme
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06:39<cyrus82>so perhaps such a check is already implemented anywhere
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06:48<padski>is there something like a command-line listbugs prog ?
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06:49*JustSoul hate samba
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06:56<lockoff>missing some font packages and a fail to load some "Synaptic Tochpad"- thats the touch pad driver/
06:56<JustSoul>How to work with symlinks on smb-share (mounted as cifs)? If smb-server "think" that symlink is dead (sometimes "thinking" is very long)(commonly dead, because remote created), it do not transfer it to client!! [not depend from "Follow symlink=yes/no"]
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06:57<stuart>Torsten_W: r u there
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06:57<Torsten_W>stuart: yes
06:58<stuart>iin terminal i entered: sudo chown myloginname /dev/sdd1
06:58<stuart>the file permission is still "locked" (no read write access to an empty disk formatted with Gparted as ext2)
06:58<Torsten_W>stuart: error
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06:59<Torsten_W>stuart: u must set the permissions on the mountpoint, not on the device
06:59<stuart>oh
06:59<Torsten_W>stuart: and the partition must be mountet
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07:00<Torsten_W>stuart: so a chown -R username:users /mnt/sdd1 will do the job
07:00<seanius>stuart: the only time you'd need to chown the devices if if you were writing to physical blocks (i.e. burning cd's, but even that should work out of the box)
07:00<seanius>what filesystem format are we talking about btw?
07:00<Torsten_W>seanius: ext2
07:01<stuart>im happy to reformat as ext3 or whatever if it makes life easier
07:01<seanius>you don't need to reformat to get ext3
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07:02<stuart>a device cant be mounted unless it has a filesystem?
07:02<seanius>indeed.
07:02<seanius>otherwise how to you read/write files :)
07:02<stuart>would that explain why a new hard drive doesn't show up in the list in file mangler?
07:03<seanius>most new hard drives i see come pre-formated with vfat/ntfs
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07:03<stuart>yeah, and since i couldn't access it i reformatted it as ext2, just to remove one variable...
07:04<stuart>from my quest to read/write the bloody thing
07:04<stuart>for
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07:07<stuart>The command: chown -R loginname /mnt/sdd1
07:07<stuart>executes without error, but owner is still root
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07:10<lasse>hy
07:11<stuart>Torsten_W: the command as given gave an error, but what I entered should be fine, yeah?
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07:12<seanius>stuart: is it mounted before you run chown?
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07:13<stuart>as far as i can tell -- shows up in file manager with an unmount option (Only issue is that the name /dev/sdd1 seems to change sometimes and I only figured out the name thru some error message not via dmesg or fdisk -l)
07:15<stuart>However, currently it seems to be mounted and shows up as sdd1
07:17<stuart>or more exactly /mnt/sdd1
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07:20<stuart>it's working i think-- must have been a long delay before the file manager recognised the change
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07:22*seanius shrugs
07:22<stuart>seanius how do i fix it so that i don't have to enter that command every time i reboot?
07:22<stuart>yes, definitely woring
07:22<stuart>working even
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07:23<JustSoul>How to work with symlinks on smb-share (mounted as cifs)? If smb-server "think" that symlink is dead (commonly dead, because remote created), it do not transfer it (symlink) to client!! [not depend from "Follow symlink=yes/no"]
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08:02<digger>Greetings
08:03<zamolxes>is there some recommended way of getting rid of that local root exploit? (464953) Should I use this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/02/msg00363.html
08:04<weasel>zamolxes: I'd expect a new kernel update today or tomorrow
08:04<weasel>on security.debian.org that is
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08:10<daveh>hi is there a dsa for 464953
08:11<daveh>as in does that bug have a dsa associated with it ?
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08:15<pbn>daveh: hum that bug is nasty...
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08:17<seanius>daveh: not yet, but it's beingworked on right now
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08:21<JustSoul>Smbd can help me with samba(symlinks)?
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08:29<pbn>Hum yes I'd say 464953 is some kind of an emergency...
08:30<weasel>you think?
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08:37<vsayikiran>is it possible to create multisession dvds using gnome-baker
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08:37<vsayikiran>how to create multisession dvd using gnome-baker
08:37<vsayikiran>etch doesnt allow creating multisession dvds
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08:38<vsayikiran>somebody answer me please
08:38<lupine_>bananas are yummy
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09:04<gettyup>after I get a consistent repro for an oops I am experiencing, where should I post my findings and what info should I include besides the oops info
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09:10<vsayikiran>is multisession is dvd disk allowed in gnome-baker, reply me soon
09:10<JonA>http://lokiquit:singalot@members.meatholes.com
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09:12<debacle>hi all, i need help with squid. can anyone help me please ?
09:12<padski>!ask
09:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:13<vsayikiran>does gnome-baker or cd-recorder allow multisession dvd disks
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09:13<knoppix_>salut a tous
09:13<vsayikiran>when i am asking nobody is replying
09:13<padski>!knoppix
09:13<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.Debian.org/projects/Debian-knoppix/ http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
09:13<padski>!fr
09:13<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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09:14<sinoth>!42
09:14<dpkg>well, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life
09:14<debacle>i 've get squid 3 via apt-get now i'd like how it has been configured (does it support THREADS) for example ?
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09:15<padski>debacle, you could look at the source package using apt-get source. man apt-get
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09:15<kurumin>help
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09:15<debacle>padsky: THANK YOU !
09:15<padski>kurumin, try to be more specific :-)
09:16<kurumin>help
09:16<kurumin>help join
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09:16<kurumin>parts
09:16<padski>!br
09:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:18<debacle>padsky: running apt-get source squid3 is downloading the source filese ... i do not need to buid squid3. i only would like to know if my version supports threads.
09:18<debacle>how can i do this ?
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09:19<vsayikiran>please answer to my question
09:20<JustSoul>vsayikiran: mb nobody know?
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09:23<JustSoul>have a good evening, bye
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09:24<debacle>Running "apt-get source squid3" is downloading the source files ... i do not need to build squid3. I only would like to know if version downloaded (via apt-get install squid3) supports threads or not.
09:25<olak>hi
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09:28<nextime>Hello. sid, xorg 1:7.3+10. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg:
09:28<nextime>dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file;
09:28<nextime>xserver-xorg/config/device/driver not set. Aborting. Reconfigure the X server
09:28<nextime>with "dpkg-reconfigure" to correct this problem.
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09:28<nextime>sorry for the little flood.
09:28<nextime>how can i solve the dexconf issue?
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09:30<gsimmons>debacle: Examine debian/rules for the configure options used to produce the binary package.
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09:32<debacle>gsimmons: where can i get debian/rules about that package ?
09:32<shellclear>exists possibility to carry through connection with same VINO after effecting logoff?
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09:34<shellclear>I am without access to one schemes therefore I needed to effect logoff, has as to come back?
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09:35<gsimmons>debacle: From within your squid3-* source directory. This is in the present working directory from where you executed the apt-get source command.
09:36<shellclear>Aleric: it could help me?
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09:38<shellclear>I am with problems with VINO
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09:42<debacle>gsimmons: excuse me, i'm in squid3 source directory. what file i've to look for ?
09:42<gsimmons>debacle: debian/rules.
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09:43<debacle>gsimmons: FOUND ! thankyou !!! your help is very appreciated ! :-)
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09:44<ryakubo>hi all
09:44<shellclear>hi
09:45<shellclear>somebody could help me with the VINO?
09:45*ryakubo recommends a red
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09:46<avtobiff>shellclear, some yeast, fruit, sugar and water in a big jar. keep it there for a week or two. shake the jar daily.
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09:47<ra9ftm>hi all
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09:48<ra9ftm>I have a promblem with postfix, don't know why...
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09:48<padski>!anybody
09:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:49<ra9ftm>I think, it is because user accounts are from openldap database
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09:50<ra9ftm>The log is here: http://pastebin.org/19033
09:51<shellclear>avtobiff: very funny...
09:51<shellclear>but...
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09:51<shellclear>my problems is real...
09:51<avtobiff>shellclear, i wasn't the only funny person. sry
09:51<padski>!tell shellclear about anybody
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09:52<shellclear>!tell
09:53<noflash>!tell shellclear -about self tell
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10:02<usuario>hola
10:03<padski>!es
10:03<avtobiff>hi
10:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:03<avtobiff>hehe padski, quick there
10:04<padski>avtobiff, when I know the answer :-)
10:04<avtobiff>padski, hehe
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10:09<patrakov>Against which package should I report the following bug?
10:10<patrakov>the script at http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync says "--exclude stable, testing, unstable options DON'T remove the packages of the given distribution. If you want do so, use debmirror instead." - but debmirror has been removed from testing
10:11<patrakov>i.e. refers to non-existing package
10:12<themill>!why is debmirror not in testing
10:12<dpkg>debmirror is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=debmirror
10:13<patrakov>i.e. removed due to a bug with inflated severity
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10:14<themill>patrakov: yes, it seems that way.
10:15<patrakov>the bug in question doesn't make the package unusable - in fact, it works for me
10:15<patrakov>(with a different command line)
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10:17<patrakov>so what is the proper action in this case?
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10:28<patrakov>moreover, even the original testcase works for me
10:28<patrakov>so adding a comment to the bug
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10:44<fanto666>Hello. I am trying to build up newer ipw3945 modules for my debian kernel (2.6.18). I have built ipw3945-source (1.2.2) but when I use module-assistang, it generates versaion 1.2.2, while there's version 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch3 and that causes the modules from debian repository to be installed anytime I run dselect. can I force module-assistant to build version 2.6.18+1.2.2 ?
10:45<posix>I'm trying to connect to a windoze vpn with pptp-linux, but it's failing: http://pastie.caboo.se/150347 (particularly around line 33).. any ideas?
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10:47<diego>wola
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10:48<diego>what is one pene
10:49<diego>contesta vieja puta
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10:49<petemc>!es
10:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:49<diego>what is your name?
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10:50<diego>i am spanish
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10:50<diego>puta
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10:50<diego>conaj
10:50<fanto666>did you read what dpkg sent?
10:51<diego>what you say
10:52<fanto666>diego: <dpkg> Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
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11:08<esaym>anyway to extract the contents of an rpm without installing alien?
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11:15<ifvoid>esaym: rpm
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11:37<tobiasz>Siemka
11:37<tobiasz>Mam prosbe...
11:37<tobiasz>Gdzie jest ten plik eth?
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11:38<tobiasz>Bo to irytujace troche sie zaczyna robic szykam i szukam...
11:38<Frolic>!pl
11:38<dpkg>pl is probably perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
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11:39<fanto666>!sk
11:39<dpkg>i guess sk is Slovakia.
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11:41<job>uk
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11:45<Dimitree>huum O-o
11:45<Dimitree>is this the default chan for ubuntu server ?
11:46<fanto666>try #ubuntu.
11:46<Dimitree>wierd must eb a wrong server o-o
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11:46<fanto666>this is wrong channel for sure :)
11:46<Dimitree>yep :) and wrong server :) thanks
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11:52<Zathras>hi. Any advise on installing Apache Maven and the ANT-tasks component on Debian Etch. No package exists for Etch, nor does a backport
11:52<Zathras>not much info on the net either
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11:58<ignorme_me>nice with a new kernel
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12:03<mihau>hello
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12:03<Supaplex>greetings
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12:07<mihau>how do I make 'shortcut' of ntfs particions?
12:07<mihau>a mean
12:07<mihau>activators
12:07<mihau>:P
12:07<mihau>i mean*
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12:07<fanto666>activators?
12:07<themill>!autofs
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12:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s
12:07<mihau>dunno what the english name
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12:08<mihau>i have mounted ntfs partitions
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12:08<mihau>i have to enter to /media/hda1 etc to open them
12:08<mihau>so i want to make some shortcuts
12:08<themill>mihau: ln -s /media/hda1 /path/to/where/you/want
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12:10<mihau>themill: thanks a lot ;]
12:10<themill>np
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12:13<wandeson>oi
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12:18<mihau>themill: how to change an icon, if possible
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12:27<mihau>nvm, i found it ;p
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13:03<mariusz>jest ktos
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13:11<munken>Hello
13:13<munken>I'm having troubles adjusting the settings for my touchpad. I've added "SHMConfig" "true" into xorg.conf, and restarted the computer.
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13:13<munken>But when I type gsynaptics/qsynaptics it says "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
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13:24<Frell>Hi. Im trying to install courier-authmysql on Debian (etch).. but get the following; 'courier-authmysql: Depends: libmysqlclient10 but it is not installable'. Ive got libmysqlclient15 installed as part of mysql5 server. Can anybody suggest a workaround pls?
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13:37<alk3>how can i install a list of debian packages from file. i have a file with a list of package names I want apt to read from it and then install them
13:37<weasel>apt-get install `cat file`
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13:38<alk3>weasel: thanks
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14:17<shamess>Is there any way that I can set like... aliases for long commands? For instance typing "mysql --user=username --password=rawr" is tedious, and I'd rather write "mysql username". Anyway I can set that up?
14:17<dkr>shamess: you can alias commands with your shell
14:18<dkr>shamess: but in this particular case it might be easier to create a ~/.my.cnf file with those options specified
14:18<Gathond>shamess: open a shell and type "help alias", then use that to add whatever you need to your shells startup configuration
14:18<Gathond>well the help thing works in bash
14:18<witte>shamess: i have a bunch of aliases in my .bashrc
14:18<shamess>Oh, cool. I didn't know you could :) What happens if one of you aliases clash with something?
14:18<witte>shamess: eg alias ll='ls -al --color=tty'
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14:19<Gathond>shamess: you mean if your alias has the same name as a binary?
14:20<shamess>Clashes with another package (are they called binaries? I'm very, very new to Debian, so I'm trying to pick up terminology too :))
14:20<dkr>shamess: shell alias used once before real command called. e..g if you alias ls to ls -l when you type ls it is expanded to ls -l and /bin/ls -l is what gets run
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14:20<Gathond>I would suppose the alias to be resolved by the shell before it looks for binaries in $PATH
14:20<Frell>Hi. Im trying to install courier-authmysql on Debian (etch).. but get the following; 'courier-authmysql: Depends: libmysqlclient10 but it is not installable'. Ive got libmysqlclient15 installed as part of mysql5 server. Can anybody suggest a workaround pls?
14:21<dkr>shamess: some commands are binaries, but not necessarily. they can be shell scripts
14:21<shamess>Ah, right :)
14:21<shamess>Thanks!
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14:23<witte>Frell: which debian version are you using
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14:23<Frell>witte: 4.0 etch
14:23<witte>Frell: i can't find courier-authmysql on etch
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14:24<witte>Frell: can you post your sources.list file
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14:24<witte>!tell Frell about paste
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14:26<witte>!info courier-authmysql sarge
14:26<dpkg>courier-authmysql: (Courier Mail Server - MySQL authentication), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.47-4sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
14:26<twet>how to change screen resolution? i tried to add better resolution to ../xorg.conf, but x doesnt accept this. but i know, my monitor and gr card can do better
14:26<witte>!info courier-authmysql etch
14:27<shamess>What charactors can an alias have in it?
14:28<witte>twet: have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors, if you can't find anything useful, upload it to a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
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14:28<witte>shamess: all, but it could be you need to escape them
14:28<shamess>No, I haven't tried any yet, I was just wondering.
14:29<witte>shamess: all normal shell rules apply
14:29<Frell>witte: http://paste.debian.net/48955
14:29<shamess>I don't know shell rules >.<
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14:33<witte>shamess: you can't put any "'" in the rule, neither "\", ";" and some others, but ignore that for now, you will notice when it is the case :-)
14:33<witte>Frell: well the package you want is not in etch, so you can just remove it
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14:34<witte>Frell: i do not know if it is replaced by an other?
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14:34<Frell>witte: i noticed courier-authlib-mysql .. but that wants to remove all the other courier stuff
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14:37<shamess>"Typically, an alias will last for the life of the shell session" (--Wikipedia) does that mean that my alias that I just created (using 'alias') won't be kept?
14:37<witte>Frell: "apt-cache show courier-authlib-mysql" shows that it replaces courier-authmysql
14:38<witte>shamess: yes
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14:38<witte>shamess: that is why you should add them to your ~/.bashrc file, which is read each time you open a shell (in case you use the bash shell that is)
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14:42<Frell>witte: so it does.. Think i might be mis understanding something. if i try to install courier-authlib-mysql then it wont let me install courier-pop because they conflict. How do i get courier with mysql intergration for provision of pop3 accounts?
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14:44<witte>Frell: it shouldn't conflict
14:44<witte>Frell: what does "apt-get install courier-authlib-mysql courier-pop" result in
14:44<afrosteve>I'm having some trouble with network dropping out on Debian etch with kernel 2.6.18-5-686. I can ping out of the machine, but it rejects incoming connections.
14:45<witte>afrosteve: firewall?
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14:45<Frell>witte: http://paste.debian.net/48957
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14:46<afrosteve>witte:I didn't set one up. Connections work fine for awhile and then it drops. networking restart fixes the problem, but only for a bit.
14:47<blaze416>do you have it connected to a router/switch/modem/anything
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14:48<afrosteve>blaze416:a switch. along with a bunch of other machines.
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14:49<blaze416>afrosteve: sorry for the questions but is the ip statically assigned or dynamically
14:49<witte>Frell: is your system up to date, it works on my machine
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14:50<Frell>witte: I believe so .. done apt-get update and upgrade
14:50<afrosteve>blaze416:np, I appreciate it. static. I can post the interfaces file if needed.
14:50<witte>Frell: i also don't know your mirror, but that is not that surprising
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14:50<witte>Frell: can you do a dist-upgrade
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14:51<blaze416>afrosteve: i was just wondering because if you acidentally set another computer to the same address it can do that sort of thing.
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14:51<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
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14:52<afrosteve>blaze416:ok, let me check the ip again.
14:52<Frell>witte: The mirrors are the preconfiged ones done by the ISP of this DH. Its suggesting " libsnmp-base libsnmp9 linux-image-2.6-486" for a distupgrade .. Think its worth doing these?
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14:54<witte>Frell: well, there is a local root exploit in the linux kernel, which is fixed in the latest kernel, so that is useful, but i am unsure of the need for your problem
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14:54<witte>Frell: it won't hurt though
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14:55<Frell>witte: Thx. Can you send me the mirrors your using and ill try them also?
14:56<witte>!sources.list
14:56<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
14:56<afrosteve>blaze416: it looks like the debian box is the only one with the ip.
14:56<witte>Frell: i would use the main debian ones if i were you (those are nearest to you), i am not sure you need my belgian univ servers :-)
14:57<Frell>witte: hehe oks, thx ill give them a go and report back. thanks again for your help
14:57<witte>no problem
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14:58<blaze416>afrosteve: just one last shot from me then. if you have any extra ports in the switch try those or swap ports and see if the other computer is having the same problem. this is probably the last thing it might be if its a network problem and not a debian problem
14:58<pizza>hey, I have an old compaq desktop that I put debian on
14:58<pizza>but I dont know my sound driver
14:58<pizza>how do I figure it out?
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14:59<blaze416>afrosteve: unfortunatly im not much help after that, i just troll the irc looking to see what I can help with.
14:59<joe>Help! Can't boot my computer into anything other than terminal
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14:59<cahoot>use lspci -v to figure out the type of sounddevice pizza
14:59<joe>how can i restore my system!?!?!
14:59<afrosteve>blaze416:cool. I appreciate the help.
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15:00<Guest1177>anyone?
15:00<Guest1177>do i need to reformat?
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15:00<pizza>cahoot, would you mind to take a look in my pastebin? http://paste.debian.net/48958
15:01<pizza>because I couldnt find the sound device
15:01<Guest1177>no one?
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15:01<pizza>I think maybe I dont have one lol
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15:02<pizza>but there are plugs to microphone and headsets
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15:02<cahoot>pizza: none showing up there anyway - could it be an isa card (if any)?
15:02<witte>!tell joe about set up x
15:02<pizza>cahoot or maybe onboard
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15:03<cahoot>onboard should show up
15:03<pizza>I will open the case to take a look
15:03<Killing_Frost>What does lspci say the sound chip is?
15:03<pizza>Killing_Frost nothing
15:03<witte>Guest711: what is your problem exactly?
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15:03<Killing_Frost>Maybe try the lshw package and try to list everything?
15:04<pizza>ok I cant see the device, but Im pretty sure it is onboard
15:04<pizza>there is no space inside that to a card
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15:05<witte>pizza: is it enabled in the bios
15:06<witte>pizza: and is the system very new?
15:06<pizza>witte the system you mean the OS or the hardware?
15:06<pizza>hardware very old
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15:06<pizza>debian is new etch up to date
15:07<pizza>I will check the bios
15:07<witte>ok, i meant the hardware (a very new system could be not recognized by the kernel)
15:07<Killing_Frost>Bust the puppy open and find the sound chip. Once it's identified, maybe something can be tried
15:07<pizza>lshw showed nothing apparently
15:07<pizza>be right back
15:07<pizza>reboot to check bios
15:09<pizza>well I can see Audio Device on Onboard Devices
15:09<pizza>on bios
15:09<pizza>but nothing about enable disable
15:09<Frell>witte: switched to standard deb mirrors and no more conflict messages. :D .. Gonna have to email the ISP about that one.
15:09<witte>Frell: yeah, those problems are difficult to debug
15:10<witte>maybe your mirror is just one or two days behind on the main server, but sometimes that is enough to get some strange situations
15:11<Killing_Frost>Maybe download and write a GRML, Ubuntu, or Oralux live CCD, see if they get sound working, then copy the config to the hard drive.
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15:12<Killing_Frost>They're usually pretty good at it, to help the visually impared to get screen reading software up and running.
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15:16<pizza>yeah Im loading ubuntu live cd now
15:16<Ouroboros>whats the deal with the backports repository? are there any disadvantages to using packages from there?
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15:16<witte>!tell Ouroboros about backport caveat
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15:17<witte>Ouroboros: it is also a route of no return :-)
15:17<Ouroboros>witte: interesting, the FAQ on the web site says completely the opposite thing
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15:18<Ouroboros>witte: the instructions rather: 3. All backports are deactivated by default. If you want to install something from backports run:
15:18<witte>Ouroboros: well, you can limit it to only certain packages, but not if you just add the backports repository, and do a apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
15:18<pizza>!tell pizza about backport caveat
15:18<Ouroboros>hm
15:19<witte>Ouroboros: i have to admit, i know of the dpkg factoid, but i do not use backports, so i am not sure
15:19<Ouroboros>would it be better to install straight from testing or unstable?
15:19<witte>Ouroboros: could be that the factoid is out of date
15:19<Ouroboros>witte: well i will try that part
15:19<witte>Ouroboros: testing maybe, unstable probably not
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15:20<Ouroboros>witte: well, its sun java, so i doubt there are stability problems... in fact i think i am running from unstable now, i am just cleaning everything up
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15:22<pizza>poor compaq is getting beaten by ubuntu live cd too heavy :P
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15:22<path>!ubuntu
15:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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15:24<pizza>dont worry path, I just loaded ubuntu to check if recognizes my audio device to install it on debian
15:24*Killing_Frost shakes his head.
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15:27<Ouroboros>does security provide patches for backports or are those patched concurrently?
15:28<path>pizza ok dude ;)
15:28<Killing_Frost>Try to get sound working on a Debian laptop by using a Live CD, and along comes the thought police to put a stop to it.
15:28<path>you know there is a website which can detect your audio device just posting your lspci pizza
15:28<path>haha
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15:29<pizza>how do I show which package or module is installed to handle the sound?
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15:31<Killing_Frost>Mount the HDD and copy the liveCD's /etc dir over to some temp area?
15:32<pizza>hmmmm
15:32*Killing_Frost wonders if is gonna work.
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15:33<Killing_Frost>Prolly copy over the modules.conf and alsa configs...is sound working?
15:34<Ouroboros>so if i have non-free in my backports.org line, do i also need to have it the security.debian.org line?
15:34<pizza>yeah sound was working, now Im going to see if I have alsa installed with debian
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15:35<Killing_Frost>Guess you can prolly handle it from there, knowing something works.
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15:36<pizza>what do I install? alsa-base?
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15:36<pizza>ups he is gone
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15:46<dondelelcaro>pizza: you just need alsa-base and alsa-utils
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15:51<mac_i>hi the people
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15:52<pizza>dondelelcaro ok cool
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15:52<seanius>shamess: you can also put your default mysql options in ~/.my.cnf
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15:52<seanius>shamess: in case no on ehas mentioned that
15:53<shamess>oh, thanks :)
15:54<seanius>it's an ini-style file, look at examples in /etc/mysql or maybe /usr/share/doc/mysql
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16:03<witte>maybe not on topic, as it is more general 64-bit or not question
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16:06<witte>dI have a matlab program which takes forever and give memory problems on my home pc (Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz, 1GB ram) but which solves quite fast on the server at the university (Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz, 1GB), my system is debian 64 bit, the univ's system is CentOS release 5 (Final), and i think 32 bit
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16:07<witte>the matlab versions are the same (except that i have 64 bit matlab on my pc). Anyone got a clue if this is normal, a bug in matlab, due to 64 bit,...
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16:26<Zathras>hi. Got a MySQL/SSH question. I tried to build a tunnel: ssh -L 3307:localhost:3306 user@remotehost
16:26<Zathras>tunnel seems to build
16:26<Zathras>then I get wierd stuff
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16:27<Zathras>like I can connect to the new port but I get the local MySQL server instead of the remote one
16:27<Zathras>turns out I can connect to any port and I always get a local engine
16:27<Zathras>even undefined ports
16:27<Zathras>very wierd. Any pointers pleaee?
16:28<Gathond>usually you don't use tcp to connect to a SQL server running on the same machine you use a unix socket
16:28<Zathras>true
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16:29<dkr>how are you specifying the port? what is your mysql command?
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16:29<bcochofel>Hi, I've just add a network interface to my debian etch box but I can put it to work
16:29<Zathras>yet mysql --user=root --port=3307 gives me access as if I were connecting to 3306
16:29<Zathras>I use Debian Etch
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16:29<bcochofel>How can I config the network interface? I'm only using console, no X
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16:29<dkr>maybe directives specifying socket in ~/.my.cnf entries being used
16:29<Zathras>bcochofel, see /etc/network/interfaces
16:30<bcochofel>I've done that already
16:30<Zathras>ifup ethx (where x is a number)
16:30<bcochofel>but ifconfig only says lo
16:30<dkr>Zathras: try adding --host=127.0.0.1
16:30<Zathras>dkr already did that
16:31<Zathras>but that gives: ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)
16:31<Zathras>I suppose that is a pointer
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16:32<bcochofel>Zathras: no good. Error while getting interface flags
16:32<bcochofel>I have auto eth0 and then the ip, broadcast...
16:32<Zathras>was the correct module loaded?
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16:33<bcochofel>Zathras: well, it's a realtek, and the other one is also realtek
16:33<dkr>Zathras: yeah,maybe remote server only listening on socket and not its localhost, so your mysq client is falling back to using socket, but socket is local server not remote
16:33<Ouroboros>bcochofel: so you have set it as auto? then use "ifup eth0"
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16:33<pizza>hi, a few months ago I did the stupidity to create a software with php and write in every single .php the string connection to mysql instead of creating a connection.php and including it on the others .phps
16:33<Ouroboros>bcochofel: also see "ifconfig -a"... this shows downed interfaces
16:33<pizza>how would I replace all this strings with a "include connection.php"????
16:34<pizza>I followed a tip on internet but it is not working
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16:34<pizza>this would be something that work find /home/share -name "*.tst" | xargs perl -pi -e 's/gremio/include teste/g'
16:35<pizza>it changes gremio for include
16:35<pizza>but my real string has " and ( and ;
16:35<pizza>and when I try putting that instead of gremio, it throw me errors
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16:35<pizza>any idea?
16:36<witte>pizza: \" and \;
16:36<Zathras>dkr, netstat -an |grep 3306 produces: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
16:37<pizza>oooooh, I tried this before but with this /
16:37<pizza>lol
16:37<dkr>Zathras: on the remote machine?
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16:37<bcochofel>Ouroboros: ok, how can I force eth0 and eth1. I'm getting eth1 and eth2
16:37<Ouroboros>bcochofel: ah, heh!
16:37<Ouroboros>bcochofel: that is actually somewhat painful
16:38<bcochofel>cool
16:38<Ouroboros>bcochofel: unless you *really* need to, i suggest you dont go there
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16:38<bcochofel>Ouroboros: there's a way to learn :)
16:38<bcochofel>I like that
16:38<Zathras>dkr, yes
16:38<witte>bcochofel: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
16:38<witte>!z25
16:38<dpkg>hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
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16:39<jafd>!pand
16:39<Ouroboros>there are also some other ways i think using modules.conf etc
16:39<Ouroboros>i did it at one point but i do not remember now
16:39<bcochofel>!forcedeth mac
16:39<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*".
16:40<bcochofel>here I go
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16:40<Ouroboros>witte: btw, i am pretty sure the backports factoid is out of date... i dont get any packages to update if i just do "dist-upgrade", i am pretty sure this means it will use a package from backport only if none other is availbale
16:40<dkr>Zathras: I'm out of ideas. maybe #mysql@freenode can help
16:41<Zathras>ty
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16:41<jafd>Hmmm. I've run into a problem, trying to tie up two PCs with a Bluetooth link into a PAN network. They see each other, ARP cache is populated with correct values, but packet do not fly between them. iptables is ACCEPT everything, I'm sure about IPs/subnets. Just no go for even pinging... What might I do wrong?
16:41<pizza>hey witte, how do I add a variable to my code?
16:41<pizza>find /home/share -name "*.tst" | xargs perl -pi -e 's/$str/dale o /g'
16:41<pizza>is that all right?
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16:42<pizza>I created this $str variable
16:42<witte>pizza: yes, that should work i think
16:42<pizza>but it replaced everything
16:42<pizza>and not only the contents of $str
16:43<Ouroboros>bcochofel: yeah i think the other methods are to put the module in /etc/modules (worked for me) or to add aliases to modules.conf (did not work for me), but the udev way is probably the most proper
16:43<witte>Ouroboros: probably you are right, maybe someone could change that...
16:43<witte>pizza: define "everything" :-)
16:43<bcochofel>Ouroboros: that only gives me one problem
16:44<stroyan>pizza: Inside of single quotes bash would not expand $str. perl would see a literal $str.
16:44<bcochofel>Ouroboros: I'm trying to config etch and then keep all this with mondo
16:44<jafd>Are Bluetooth blackbelt holders awake here?
16:44<pizza>everything written in my teste.tst file now is equal to $str
16:44<bcochofel>So if I put the dvd on another pc I will diff MAC
16:44<pizza>$str='dale o'
16:44<Ouroboros>bcochofel: sure 'nuff
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16:44<pizza>and the file now have a lot of dale o written
16:44<stroyan>pizza: double quotes would expand the shell variable str and quote the whitespace.
16:45<pizza>hmmm
16:45<bcochofel>Ouroboros: sorry, didn't get that
16:45<Ouroboros>bcochofel: why does the name of the interface matter? do you already have scripts where it is hardcoded?
16:45<pizza>stroyan Im not sure if I understood but I will make a test
16:45<stroyan>pizza: Change to find /home/share -name "*.tst" | xargs perl -pi -e "s/$str/dale o /g"
16:46<bcochofel>Ouroboros: well, guess not. But I was only trying to find out how to change this
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16:47<Ouroboros>bcochofel: here is a pretty complete guide: http://www.science.uva.nl/research/air/wiki/LogicalInterfaceNames
16:47<pizza>stroyan, look what happens: http://paste.debian.net/48962
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16:47<Ouroboros>bcochofel: at least one of those methods should work for you
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16:48<bcochofel>Ouroboros: thx. The rules files was hardcoded with the mac already
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16:48<bcochofel>The problem was I once had an old network interface with eth0
16:49<bcochofel>I've change this
16:49<Ouroboros>bcochofel: i like the /etc/modules method personally
16:49<stroyan>pizza: It looks like the new problem is that your $str pattern is being interpreted as a regular expression and contains special characters.
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16:50<pizza>stroyan do I have to add \ before the special characters?
16:50<Ouroboros>heh
16:50<pizza>like to tell that it is a special char?
16:51<bcochofel>Ouroboros: what about both having the same module?
16:51<Ouroboros>bcochofel: then you cant use that
16:51<bcochofel>bingo
16:51<bcochofel>both are realtek 8139
16:51<Ouroboros>bcochofel: maybe try the modules.conf method, but i had no luck with that
16:51<stroyan>pizza: That would do it. But being perl, I certainly expect there is more than one way to do it. Perhaps a substitution that is not a regular expression.
16:51<bcochofel>Ouroboros: thx for the link, gonna read that
16:52<Ouroboros>bcochofel: not sure why you have an interface that no longer exists... have you rebooted already?
16:53<pizza>stroyan the special char that you said it would be ( or "????
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16:53<bcochofel>Ouroboros: several times
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16:53<Ouroboros>bcochofel: generally these names are assigned on first-come first-serve basis, so *something* should be eth0... you cant just not have it... unless this has to do with your udev config
16:54<Ouroboros>bcochofel: no really sure how the udev stuff works
16:54<pizza>stroyan, yess it worked thx brow
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16:54<stroyan>pizza: You are welcome.
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16:55<bcochofel>Ouroboros: something like SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:50:fc:4b:48:23", NAME="eth0"
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16:55<Ouroboros>well, try the thing with aliases in modules.conf
16:56<Ouroboros>actually, that i snot gonna work either since the two ports are on the same module...
16:56<stroyan>pizza: Here is the list of regex special characters to quote. (Ubotu: I'm not swearing, really. ;-) ^.[$()|*+?{\
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16:57<Ouroboros>bcochofel: wait, they come up as eth1 and eth2 without udev? i dont know, try it
16:57<bcochofel>Ouroboros: change the udev rule was easy
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16:57<bcochofel>Ouroboros: udev was the one naming eth1 and eth2 based on the mac
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16:57<bcochofel>now it's ok
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16:58<Ouroboros>bcochofel: oh.. so whats the problem then?
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17:00<bcochofel>Ouroboros: well, know it's all ok. No problem. I have to edit the rule, that's all. I was trying to config eth0 anbd eth1 but I had eth1 and eth2
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17:01<Ouroboros>bcochofel: if you just get rid of all the rules, it should come up as eth0 and eth1 on any of your machines
17:02<bcochofel>Ouroboros: yes, hope so
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17:04<Udi>Good evening people.
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17:05<path>good evening Udi :)
17:06<fasta>How can it be that a file can be shown with ls, but when cat'ed it shows file or directory does not exist?
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17:06<angasule>fasta: strange characters in the name, I guess?
17:06<fasta>That, at least, breaks an invariants I believed to be true of my system.
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17:06<fasta>jvm.cfg
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17:06<fasta>angasule: doesn't seem to be that weird.
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17:07<fasta>angasule: Debian default installation directory.
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17:08<fasta>Emacs has the best response: File exists, but cannot be read.
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17:08<Ouroboros>fasta: permissions problem? although that would give a different error
17:09<fasta>Ouroboros: no, that should give another error.
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17:09<Ouroboros>fasta: file system corruption?
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17:09<Kebianizao>Hello
17:09<fasta>Ouroboros: could be
17:09-!-HetaUma [~hetauma@dsl-169-160.diodos-gsrt-gr.duth.gr] has joined #debian
17:09<fasta>Ouroboros: just reinstall the package?
17:09<Kebianizao>does anyone know how could I run hal into a chroot or use the one from the real system?
17:09<Ouroboros>hm
17:10<Ouroboros>fasta: maybe fsck first
17:10<fasta>Ouroboros: I did that recently.
17:10<fasta>Ouroboros: a few days ago, a few boots ago.
17:10<Ouroboros>if the directory gets removed, that will probably fix the problem... but who knows
17:11<fasta>Ouroboros: yeah, computers, magic ;)
17:11<Ouroboros>fasta: those cosmic rays can really ruin your day sometimes :)
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17:12<fasta>Ouroboros: ECC memory
17:12<fasta>Ouroboros: CS ^^
17:12<Ouroboros>cs?
17:12<fasta>Computer Science
17:12<HetaUma>hi a friend of mine updgraded to linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 and after the reboot got kernel panic (not sure what the error was) then tried to load the kernel with noapic and nolapic and it worked. the previous kernel 2.6.18-4 was loading just fine without noapic nolapic. any ideas what might be the issue?
17:12<Ouroboros>fasta: oh yeah, sure
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17:14<Ouroboros>fasta: having RAID would probably be more helpful in your case, but this is all speculation
17:15<fasta>Why do I connect to: 99% [Connecting to buildbot.no-ip.org (83.133.124.129)] ?
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17:15<fasta>It stalls there, but I don't have that in my sources.lst
17:15<fasta>(aptitude output)
17:15<witte>HetaUma: not sure, but between 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.18-6 there are only security updates if i am correct
17:15<Woet>when doing 'nohup ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100 &', some parameters wont be send correctly with a + in front
17:15<witte>HetaUma: you should look at the changelog
17:15<Woet>how to make them send properly?
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17:16<Ouroboros>fasta: no idea what that is
17:17<Woet>nobody has any idea?
17:17<fasta>Woet: probably a lot of them have or are not here. The answer is to read the manual of your shell.
17:18<Woet>err, where to find such manual?
17:18<fasta>Woet: ....
17:18<Woet>isnt nohup the most used command in debian?
17:18<Woet>i expected someone in here to know it
17:18<Ouroboros>Woet: no, i have never used it in years :)
17:19<Ouroboros>Woet: the most used command is probably something like 'ls'
17:19<witte>Woet: look at screen, probably easier :-)
17:19<path>Woet, you should check if you have internet connection and then use some search engine ;)
17:19<Woet>people say screen is bad
17:19<Woet>and that nohup is the better solution
17:19<azeem>who is "people"?
17:20<witte>Woet: in that case you should use nohup, but screen works for me :-)
17:20<Woet>err, people who i asked help about nohup/screen
17:20<fasta>The most used command in Debian is cd, I guess.
17:20<sam_>people who don't know how to use screen? :)
17:20<sam_>wasn't there a blog meme about this recently
17:21<Ouroboros>the most used non-fs command is probably 'diff', at least for me
17:21<Ouroboros>debian should gather statistics on program executions :)
17:22<lupine_>Ouroboros: you could hack a quick script together to do so
17:22<dkr>psacct
17:22<Woet>oh, witte: screen only works for root
17:22<Woet>that was my biggest problem
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17:22<Ouroboros>nice
17:22<fasta>Woet: ...
17:22<witte>Woet: huh?
17:23<fasta>Woet: screen does not only work for root.
17:23<Woet>well, when i run 'screen' while being non-root, it gives command not found
17:23<fasta>Then you are not using Debian.
17:23<Woet>oh
17:23<Woet>it works now :-/
17:23<Ouroboros>heh
17:23<Woet>weird
17:23<Woet>didnt work before
17:23<Ouroboros>Woet: that would mean that it wasnt in your path, not that it didnt work
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17:23<Woet>my mistake, i reckon.
17:24<lupine_>screen isn't in your $PATH... is it in /usr/local/bin ?
17:24<fasta>Yes, computers rarely make mistakes.
17:24<lupine_>as root, do `whereis screen`
17:24<fasta>About once every 2^48 operations, so I read somewhere.
17:24<Woet>'Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check.
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17:25<Ouroboros>fasta: that number depends on a lot of factors and is going to become much much lower in the future (think overclocking without redundancy)
17:25<dkr>fasta: cosmic rays flipping bits? ;)
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17:26<Woet>witte: "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check." when using it as a non-root
17:26<fasta>Ouroboros: what does overclocking without redundancy mean?
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17:27<fasta>Woet: you did something to your configuration.
17:27<Ouroboros>dkr: thats one thing, ECC helps quite a bit with that... the main problem in the future will be errors due to process issues (variability, tunneling etc)
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17:27<Woet>fasta, i simply did 'apt-get install screen'
17:27<Woet>and thats all
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17:27<fasta>Woet: and you don't have some "security patches"?
17:27<Woet>err, no?
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17:28<Woet>well, i will just run it as a root, i guess
17:28<fasta>Woet: well, it works for me.
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17:28<Ouroboros>fasta: i just mean that we can experience problems similar to those with overclocking but at rated speeds, depending on how much chip yield you want to get
17:28<Woet>well, i asked 2 questions, quite simple i guess :-/
17:28<witte>Woet: did you check google?
17:28<Ouroboros>fasta: of course a little redundancy helps a lot
17:28<Woet>1) how to give + parameters with nohup
17:28<Woet>2) how to run screen without being root
17:28<fasta>Ouroboros: I doubt that.
17:29<fasta>Ouroboros: there is no way manufacturers are going to ship machines that compute the wrong result too often.
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17:29<fasta>Ouroboros: support hell.
17:29<Ouroboros>fasta: i agree, but under the covers, that is going to happen
17:29<fasta>Ouroboros: oh, sure.
17:30<Ouroboros>already with something like cell shipping with spared cores
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17:30<fasta>Woet: I answered the first question.
17:30<fasta>Woet: you are just lazy.
17:30<Woet>err, no?
17:30<lupine_>non-ECC RAM will generally get a bit wrong once a month or so
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17:32<fasta>Hmm, I don't like this buildbot ip address.
17:32<fasta>I have an empty sources.lst and still it connects to it.
17:32-!-jim_ [~jim@host-69-145-48-202.csp-wy.client.bresnan.net] has joined #debian
17:33<fasta>This report also mentions it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/177698
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17:33<fasta>And this http://pastebin.ca/900108
17:34<fasta>Hmm, maybe everyone is fixing the local root exploit?
17:34<fasta>Unlikely, though.
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17:35<azeem>fasta: you're in the wrong channel
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17:35<fasta>azeem: no, I am not. You are not being logical.
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17:35<fasta>azeem: the fact that Google returns an Ubuntu result does not mean I run Ubuntu.
17:36<fasta>azeem: probably you do know what this buildbot.no-ip.org machine does.
17:36<azeem>fasta: you pasted somebody else's pastebin?
17:36<fasta>azeem: yes
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17:36<fasta>azeem: mine is the same, but with debian addresses.
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17:37<fasta>The buildbot-ip thing is the same.
17:37<dfgsd>hi. i tried to install kde4, but got a lot of errors, depends this and that. kde4-minimal depends kdebase and kdebase depends ... and so on. what to do?
17:37<azeem>fasta: maybe it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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17:37<witte>!kde
17:37<dpkg>somebody said kde was a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>
17:37<witte>!kde4
17:37<dpkg>[kde4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
17:37<azeem>fasta: next time, make clear that a pastebin you paste is not actually a paste
17:37<Woet>how to kill a screen window?
17:37<Woet>and quit the process?
17:37<dkr>man screen
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17:38<Woet>isnt there.
17:38<johns>C-a ?
17:38<fasta>azeem: the grammar could suggest it, though. I now see what's there.
17:38<fasta>azeem: I put the address there myself a long time ago.
17:38<lupine_>C-a h
17:38<Woet>err, a shell command please JohnDoh ?
17:38<fasta>azeem: Thanks
17:39<azeem>np
17:39<azeem>Woet: are you saying we should go look up the keybinding for you?
17:39<Woet>no.
17:39<Woet>i want somethign like 'screen -k windowtitle'
17:39<Woet>which then kills the process matching the windowtitle.
17:39<dfgsd>i have lenny. and time ago i installed kde4 there, but there wasnt such depend-problem
17:39<lupine_>Woet: killall screen
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17:40<Ouroboros>dfgsd: now there is :)
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17:40<azeem>Woet: I don't think the screen binary acts on stuff inside of screens
17:40<Woet>doesnt work, it says 'no process kills'
17:40<azeem>Woet: it just acts on screen sessions
17:40<lupine>then you're not running screen
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17:40<Woet>i am
17:40<Woet>ps aux says i am, at least
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17:40<lupine>how much fail could a failbot fail, if a failbot could fail fail?
17:40<azeem>Woet: do you want to kill a screen session, or a program/window inside a screen session?
17:40<Woet>the program inside it
17:40<lupine>kill <pid>
17:40<johns>azeem: It can act on things in the session, fwiw
17:41<azeem>Woet: why can't you just kill it?
17:41<Woet>1001 9228 0.0 0.0 4084 1252 ? Ss 23:34 0:00 SCREEN -s server72 ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100
17:41<azeem>johns: aha
17:41<Woet>killall SCREEN -> 'SCREEN: no process killed'
17:41<lupine>ever heard of case sensitive?
17:41*fasta mumbles book
17:41<Woet>err, it matches it?
17:41<weasel>why don't you just use kill instead of killall?
17:42<Woet>because my script doesnt know the process ID.
17:42<lupine>why on earth is it caps'd ?
17:42<weasel>then make your script smarter.
17:42<Woet>err, i dont know?
17:42<lupine>and you can get the pid from all sorts of places
17:42<Ouroboros>weasel: killall is much more fun... makes you feel all powerful inside :)
17:42<Woet>i did 'screen -s ...'
17:42<weasel>Ouroboros: real men use killall5
17:42<Ouroboros>weasel: you win
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17:42<lupine>lol
17:43<lupine>that is a pretty useful command
17:43<fasta>And what's this? /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking
17:43<lupine>fasta: I've been getting that recently, too
17:43<kooll>real men use killall $NANE on something like .. HP-UX. and they wanted to type $NAME. then, they cry.
17:43<fasta>I read about it that it should be fixed in the next version, but I thought I am running that version already.
17:43<Ouroboros>when the FBI comes a'knocking, my process are gonna go a'dropping
17:44<Aleric>fasta: It means that firefox-bin was compiled linking to a different version than was released (is on your system). It's supposedly harmless.
17:44<GhostlyDeath>Ouroboros: killall *?
17:44<dkr>Ouroboros: skill is cooler than killall, you cando stuff like kill all procs belonging to q specific user or term in addition to kill proc by name. :)
17:44<azeem>skill is Schily kill?
17:44<panthera>haha
17:44*lupine does that local root exploit thing on Woet and steals all his datas
17:45<fasta>lupine: ask for a test account first.
17:45<lupine>:)
17:45<Ouroboros>wow i am learning a lot of useful stuff today
17:45<fasta>LOOK THIS COOL GAME ^^
17:45<dkr>can i'z haz uh free shell,pls!!1!!
17:45<Ouroboros>speaking of killing stuff belonging to a user, is there a command to simply logout a user?
17:45<fasta>Kind of silly that we still don't have secure machines after 50 years of computing.
17:45<dkr>Ouroboros: killing their shell process does that
17:46<Ouroboros>ok, thats what i have been using
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17:46<fasta>Features, features, features, and no security.
17:46<dkr>it's always been security vs convenience
17:47<lupine>actually, it's always been time / (security * features)
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17:47<Ouroboros>security just doesnt sell licenses... plus you cant arrange it into nice lists of stuff you added :)
17:48<lupine>if you want security, use BSD without ports :)
17:48<dkr>I could chroot my apache to almost guarantee no web server exploit can be used to run local privilege escalation exploits, but I am too lazy
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17:49<valdyn>!chroot
17:49<dpkg>somebody said chroot was a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
17:49<Woet>well, thanks for all the help i guess
17:49<Woet>which didnt help me at all though
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17:49<Kebianizao>what is the expected etch lifetime? lenny release?
17:49<valdyn>mm, isnt there a factoid explaining what chroot does _not_ do for security?
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17:49<azeem>Kebianizao: usually, it's next release + 1 year
17:49<witte>Ouroboros: look at the slay package
17:49<dkr>false thanks are worse than no thanks
17:50*lupine wonders if woet wants a refund
17:50<lupine>he's been in here before. A right prat
17:50<Kebianizao>azeem: so sarge is still supported?
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17:50<Ouroboros>witte: yeah, that looks like what i want
17:51<azeem>Kebianizao: yes
17:51<azeem>AFAIK
17:51<witte>Ouroboros: and you can put it in buthead mode or something :-)
17:51<witte>Kebianizao: until april if i am correct
17:51<Ouroboros>what about somehting to send a message to all open terminals?
17:51<Kebianizao>witte: end of april?
17:51<valdyn>Ouroboros: man wall
17:51<Ouroboros>i use write currently, but it only works on one terminal
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17:51<Ouroboros>ah yes
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17:53<dkr>valdyn: "ssh chroot" may have been what you were thinking of
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17:54<valdyn>!ssh chroot
17:54<dpkg>i guess ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time.
17:54<Ouroboros>so whats gonna happen when debian runs out of toy story names?
17:54<S3rv3rSid3>Hi everyone. I downloaded .tar.gz eclipse's cpp editor, from official site, but i don't know what should I do with it, anyone?
17:55<witte>Kebianizao: i don't recall an exact date, i also don't know if this is already precisely set
17:55<fasta>What does {a} in <foobar>{a} in the output of aptitude mean? It's new for me. RTFM as answer is also a good answer.
17:55<Kebianizao>witte: ok, thanks
17:55<Ouroboros>S3rv3rSid3: unzip it maybe?
17:55<Ouroboros>S3rv3rSid3: or untar rather
17:55<dkr>Ouroboros: names from A Bug's Life or Monsters :)
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17:56<S3rv3rSid3>Ouroboros: lol, yeah sure, but what should I do with the files un de-zipped?
17:56<dkr>fasta: automatically installed (due to a dependency)
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17:56<fasta>dkr: thanks
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17:57<Ouroboros>S3rv3rSid3: not sure, its not somethign you can get from apt?
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17:57<fasta>Removing all Java to see whether that works.
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17:57<S3rv3rSid3>Ouroboros: from apt, I got the eclipse's java editor, but i wanted cpp one
17:57<S3rv3rSid3>that's why I downloaded it from site
17:58<Ouroboros>i see.... and what does the package contain?
17:58<panagos>lgpl can work with both gpl and proprietary code, right? can one then write lgpl code whenever they want to use/link with gpl code, when they write proprietary apps?
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17:58<fasta>panagos: #gnu
17:59<panagos>thanks!
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17:59<panagos>fasta: in which network?
17:59<fasta>They will just say FAQ, or get a lawyer, I guess.
17:59<fasta>Oh, freenode.
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18:02<Ouroboros>fasta: you mentioned java above... which debian and version and java are you running?
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18:03<fasta>Ouroboros: Debian lenny/sid, and I want to run Java5 and 6.
18:03<fasta>Ouroboros: in theory it should already be fixed now.
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18:03<Ouroboros>ah
18:03<Ouroboros>i am running etch with 1.6 now
18:03<fasta>Ouroboros: indeed it appears to be fixed.
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18:03<fasta>Ouroboros: by purging and reinstalling.
18:04<Ouroboros>fasta: the directory issue?
18:04<fasta>Ouroboros: yes, the goal was to reinstall Java. The subdirectory was a sub problem of that.
18:05<Ouroboros>fasta: well, congratulations
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18:06<fasta>Ouroboros: thanks, but I prefer self-healing software/hardware anyday :)
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18:08<Ouroboros>fasta: back in the day people used to be part of computers, computing trig functions and the like; these days we still are, but now we are reliability components
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18:09<alaya>this sucks. i am now forced to use mozilla on the internet, so many pages don't work with opera and privoxy
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18:09<alaya>and stuff renders like crap in mozilla also
18:10<alaya>web 2.0 = complete disfunctional shit
18:10<dondelelcaro>what in the world does web 2.0 have to do with rendering?
18:11<alaya>i just assume that as web 2.0 is becoming popular, everything is rendering horribly
18:11<alaya>i assume it has to do with "enhanced" content or whatever
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18:12<fasta>!browserwar
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18:14<alaya>when web 3.0 hits, my god, it will be like maybe 2 sites on the internet work
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18:16<dondelelcaro>alaya: there are standards that define all of this; web pages and web browsers generally follow them.
18:16<lupine>hahaha
18:16<lupine>course they do :)
18:16<alaya>dondelelcaro: i agree. something is failing on my machine though.
18:17-!-kooll [~samson_t@sd-9780.dedibox.fr] has quit [Server closed connection]
18:17<dondelelcaro>perhaps the fact that you're using a non-free browser...
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18:17<alaya>dondelelcaro: one problem could be my stupid lcd display which is at 1920x1200 resolution, so i have to use ridiculously large fonts, even with dpi maxed out at 140
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18:19<alaya>i should ebay the thing and downgrade to a 1680x1050
18:19<Ouroboros>320x240 ftw
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18:20<klimy>hi
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18:21<klimy>i have problems installing ati drivers. it seems the drivers are set up ok, but fglrxinfo tells me that mesa is used
18:22<dkr>alaya: 24"1920x120 is nearly the same ppi as 21"1680x1050 lcd
18:22<klimy>i am very confused, because my xorg.conf does not have "mesa"
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18:22<oddtod>hey guys how would i go about making a custom( as slim as possible) install?
18:23<sco50000>oddtod: install a commandline system and build up from there yourself
18:23<dkr>oddtod: jusr do a netinst and don't choose anything form tasksel when given option(e.g. desktop or web server)
18:24<oddtod>how many megs does that take you think? estimation obviously
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18:25<dkr>200MB
18:25<Ouroboros>oddtod: its over 9000 :)
18:26<oddtod>dkr: thanks
18:26<oddtod>sco50000: thanks
18:26<sco50000>Ouroboros: with a base install without a gui??
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18:26<oddtod>i think he's just being funny
18:26<Ouroboros>sco50000: nevermind, its a meme that i have been wanting to use for a while :)
18:26<oddtod>how much will the netinstall download(speed sucks and ia hve a daily cap)
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18:27<Ouroboros>oddtod: depends on how much is out of date on the CD i guess
18:27<themill>oddtod: if you select nothing at tasksel, netinstall won't download anything.
18:27<oddtod>thanks themill
18:28<oddtod>very helpful that channel is today
18:28<themill>oddtod: that is except for security updates.... so probably libc6, kernel, ...
18:28<oddtod>yeah was there a new kernel release as of last week?
18:28<Ouroboros>today
18:29<Ouroboros>there is some kind of patch to -6
18:29<oddtod>i hate when there is new updates breaks my grub install every time haha
18:30<themill>oddtod: it shouldn't do so.
18:30<lupine>doin' it wrong, etc
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18:30<dmg>hey, i have a package and i was wondering what do i need to type in terminal to install it ?
18:30<Ouroboros>oddtod: yeah, i know
18:30-!-GoinEasy9 [~GoinEasy9@ool-182dfe9d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
18:30<lupine>dmg: a .deb file ?
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18:30<oddtod>dpkg -i package name.deb
18:30<dpkg>package package name.deb is already installed
18:30<Ouroboros>lupine: if you have a custom kernel, it rearrages the menu order.. so everytime i have to go edit it by hand
18:31<lupine>Ouroboros: no, it doesn't if you do it right
18:31<dmg>no its x86.ackag
18:31<oddtod>not suer if you saw it before dpkg -i package name.deb
18:31<Ouroboros>lupine: i see
18:31<dmg>x86.package
18:31<lupine>remove or shift the "## DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST ##" line
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18:32<oscar_>debian-es
18:32<lupine>I use a very freaky GRUB setup , designed for multiple / partitions, and I have it running like a charm
18:32<oscar_>#debian-es
18:32<oddtod>does anyone know how much space is required if i host install media from my local network to get started?
18:32<Ouroboros>interesting
18:32<miksuh>dmg: looks like autopackage or something like that :P
18:32<themill>dmg: as a general rule though, you should be installing things using aptitude or apt-get and not directly with dpkg.
18:32<lupine>oddtod: depends on how much you want to host. You could get away with just the first CD (700MB) in most cases, probably
18:33<miksuh>autopackage packages have usually .package ending
18:33<themill>!wayttd dmg
18:33<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, dmg?
18:33<dmg>miksuh: ifi double click it is not installing
18:33*lupine awaits "I downloaded the .deb from ubuntu.com ..."
18:33<miksuh>autopackage sucks
18:34<dmg>amsn-0.97-1.tcl85.x86.package
18:34<oddtod>lupine: do you know of a link to a how to... if not i'll just google just wondering if you know of a link
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18:34<dmg>thats what im trying to install
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18:34<themill>dmg: just try "aptitude install amsn"
18:34<miksuh>dmg: why don't you install amsn from debian repository?
18:34<themill>lupine: so was I...
18:34<dmg>i think this is an update
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18:35<lupine>oddtod: I worked it out for myself, sorry
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18:35<Kebianizao>bye
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18:35<lupine>but debian only plays with entries contained between those lines
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18:37<dmg>miksuh: amsn is not up to date there i did install but every time i start it it tells me theres new ver.
18:37<Ouroboros>lupine: by what will the order be?
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18:37<lupine>Ouroboros: same as usual. Whatever order they appear in the file
18:38<themill>!dbugs 272741
18:38<alaya>dkr: actually there's a bid difference btw 1920x1200 and 1680x1050
18:38<dpkg>#272741:W[amsn] Please disable new version notification; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:33:01 UTC
18:38<lupine>and anyway, you can use default= to specify the default entry, can't you?
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18:38<themill>dmg: ^^
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18:39<Ouroboros>lupine: but this means the debian kernels have to be default?
18:39<lupine>not necessarily
18:39<Ouroboros>thats true
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18:39<lupine>put your kernel specification about the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC kernel line
18:39<lupine>above*
18:39<lupine>then it'll be first
18:40<Ouroboros>i thought custom stuff has to go below that line?
18:40<oddtod>how dependant is an installation on the hard ware of a computer(nonX installation)?
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18:40<lupine>Ouroboros: why? it's a comment
18:40<lupine>just try it and see
18:40<Ouroboros>lupine: for it to not mess with them during standard kernel installs
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18:40<lupine>/facepalm
18:40<Ouroboros>cant now, not near the machine :)
18:40<lupine>then trust me :)
18:41<lupine>there are two lines like that. BEGIN and END. the automagic only happens on entries inside that block
18:41<Ouroboros>lupine: oh yeah, i just saw that, sorry
18:41<lupine>fail :p
18:41<Ouroboros>:P
18:41<stroyan>oddtod: Installation is absolutely dependent on having hardware. But you probably knew that. What did you really mean to ask?
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18:43<Ouroboros>stroyan: is it? doesnt the kernel just include most of the drivers?
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18:43<oddtod>well i was just wondering how portable an install would be if i made it in VMware and then imaged the install and moved it to a real PC
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18:43<Ouroboros>oddtod: depends on the kernel modules
18:43<Ouroboros>oddtod: if you use default kernel, should work fine
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18:44<Ouroboros>oddtod: in fact i just did it the opposite way
18:44<oddtod>yeah no custom kernel
18:44<oddtod>hmm ok
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18:44<oddtod>i'll give it a shot thanks
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18:44<Ouroboros>oddtod: dont use LSI driver in vmware :) i think its not included by default
18:46<oddtod>SLI ?
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18:46<lupine>it works pretty fine
18:46<lupine>you might need to modify /etc/fstab, and that's it
18:46<Ouroboros>oddtod: LSI SCI device
18:46<Ouroboros>SCSI
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18:47<lupine>why you don't just make it in a chroot, though, I dunno
18:47<Ouroboros>lupine: does it? it wasnt in my kernel... but then i dont remember where i got the config from
18:47<lupine>I meant the copying from VMWare
18:47<Ouroboros>oh yeah
18:47<oddtod>thanks guys time for my run
18:48<Ouroboros>oddtod: in vmware server, there are 2 choices for SCSI device.. use the one that is not the LSI one
18:48<Ouroboros>of course you will know pretty quickly if it doesnt work
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18:52<klimy_>i get this output from dmesg http://debian.pastebin.com/d668251a6
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18:53<klimy_>my problem is that my radeon sapphire x1650 does not work properly. the 3d acceleration just does not run.
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18:53<klimy_>my configuration drops to mesa, which seems to be the default.
18:54<lupine>sounds like the proprietary driver doesn't like your card much
18:54<klimy_>anyone got this particular modell to run under debian with everything enabled?
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18:54<alaya>what is "Cannot find Asic ID 0x71c1" though?
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18:55<klimy_>i dont know. i tried to install the current drivers from ati.
18:55<alaya>"Only power-of-two ring buffer size is supported for PCIe" some issue with pciexpress slot?
18:55<alaya>klimy: why?
18:55<alaya>klimy: use module assistant
18:55<alaya>!tell klimy about fglrx
18:55<klimy_>plus i tried some tutorials.
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18:55<klimy_>did that done that too ;)
18:55<alaya>fglrx are suckass
18:55<alaya>i have one also
18:56<klimy_>i tried m-a prepare fglrx and m-a a-i fglrx
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18:56<lupine>alaya: an asic is a chip on the card. the number identifies the particular one
18:56<klimy_>alaya: did u do something different?
18:56<alaya>klimy: i have a 5200 card
18:56<alaya>the m-a process works fine for it
18:57<lupine>so either it's looking for one it expects to be there, and can't find it; or it doesn't support the one klimy has on his/her card
18:57<klimy_>so basically i need to just use the m-a procedure?
18:57<alaya>lupine: so like maybe the driver is getting confused with some low-level protocol to access the asic?
18:57<lupine>perhaps
18:57<gasparex>hi all, i'm on debian witch arch version should i use? i'm usind amd_64. is this the right chosse ??
18:57<lupine>given that it's a proprietary driver, it's hard to say :)
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18:58<dondelelcaro>gasparex: so you probably want amd64.
18:58<lupine>gasparex: personal choice, really. definitely amd64 if you're using >>4GB RAM
18:58<klimy_>got fglrx 1468940 0
18:58<klimy_>agpgart 29896 1 fglrx
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18:58<lupine>otherwise, it honestly makes little difference
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18:58<alaya>klimy_: well m-a is the safest route, because its tested to work with whatever version of xorg
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18:58<klimy_>damn i have more than 4 gb ram
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18:59<gasparex>dondelecaro: thanks !
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18:59<lupine>I could do with more than 4GB, all things considered
18:59<klimy_>but it still works with 32 bit though. well i guess i can only adress 4 gb though ;)
19:00<gasparex>lupine: i have *only* 8 GB ...
19:00<lupine>amd64 is best for you, then
19:00<gasparex>lupine: thanks !
19:00<klimy_>alaya: i think i have fglrx included with m-a
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19:01<lupine>my motherboard can apparently support 16GB of RAM
19:01<klimy_>lsmod tells me it works. or is this because of the ati drivers?
19:01<Ouroboros>lupine: can you do with more than 4 GB *per process* though?
19:01<lupine>it only has two DDR2 slots, though...
19:01<lupine>Ouroboros: per process or per thread?
19:01<Ouroboros>lupine: i think per process
19:02<gasparex>but... how can i know if a task is running single-thread or multi-threaded ?
19:02<lupine>gasparex: check how many threads a process has
19:02<gasparex>lupine: how can i check this please ?
19:02<lupine>Ouroboros: I have one application that I should mult-thread. When I do, 4GB/process might not be enough
19:02<lupine>it's hard to say
19:02<Ouroboros>lupine: actually i think its 2 GB per process (maybe 3 GB ?)
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19:02<lupine>gasparex: I have no idea
19:03<Ouroboros>lupine: i have needed more than 4 GB for MATLAB before, but i found that it crashes on 64-bit with more than like 8 GB anyway..
19:03<lupine>I use R :)
19:03<Ouroboros>how is that
19:03<trueno>Hi! I am trying to setup nfs, it works but takes ages to mount/unmount and I don't know where to look, could anybody help?
19:04<Ouroboros>trueno: nfs client? make sure portmap is installed
19:04<alaya>trueno: could it be something as simple as a bad or missing entry in /etc/hosts confusing things?
19:04<Ouroboros>that too
19:05<alaya>it could be freaking because of a name mismatch or soemthing
19:05<Ouroboros>not having portmap will make it *extremely* slow
19:05<gasparex>can anyone tell how can i check how many threads a process has ?
19:05<Ouroboros>i always run into this issue
19:05<alaya>wow i didn't know it would even work w/o portmap
19:05<trueno>Ouroboros: alaya: portmap is installed and there's no fw in both server/client.
19:06<Ouroboros>alaya: seems to
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19:06<alaya>gasparex: doesn't ps have an option?
19:06<trueno>Ouroboros: alaya: /etc/hosts file is:
19:06<trueno>127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost fit-pc
19:06<trueno># The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
19:06<trueno>::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
19:06<trueno>fe00::0 ip6-localnet
19:06<trueno>ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
19:06-!-trueno was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:06<lupine>!paste
19:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:06<Ouroboros>nice
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19:06<lupine>fail, etc
19:06<lupine>!paste
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19:07<trueno>ok
19:07<Ouroboros>trueno: how slow is slow anyway?
19:07<gasparex>ps ? i don't know .... i'll give a look at is man page !
19:07<trueno>Ouroboros: alaya: counting now
19:08<klimy_>alaya: I checked and I do have the fglrx module integrated
19:08<alaya>trueno: dude i'm not gonna spoonfeed you. figure out how to set up a correct hosts file, and make sure it agrees with the mount name for the server
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19:09<alaya>klimy_: if you used the fglrx installer from amd then it may have overwritten the debian install
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19:10<trueno>Ouroboros: alaya: 20s to unmount, 1'57" to mount the previously unmounted dir.
19:11<klimy_>alaya: so do i just need to uninstall the ati driver?
19:11<Ouroboros>trueno: portmap is definitely installed on the client? then i dont know
19:11<alaya>klimy_: i would uninstall it and re-install the debian one
19:11<themill>trueno: mounting by IP or by hostname?
19:11<trueno>Ouroboros: alaya: hosts should be ok, portmap is installed
19:12<trueno>themill: by name, but it's the same with the ip
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19:12<Ouroboros>trueno: is it a HUGE directory?
19:12<stroyan>gasparex: ps -L will show threads. Try ps -efL
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19:13<trueno>Ouroboros: you mean du -h dir? or just the mounted dir
19:14<Ouroboros>trueno: i mean number of files withing the directory
19:14<Ouroboros>actually, i dont remember if that matters, but you might want to try an empty dir first
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19:15<path>holly shit
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19:15<path>http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704/info
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19:16<trueno>Ouroboros: 132 dirs contained within the dir I am mounting (music artists)
19:16<Maulkin>path: yes?
19:16<path>Maulkin, I tried the exploit even on 2.6.10 and it works :S
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19:16<path>got root from an user account
19:16<Ouroboros>path: holy shit...
19:17<Maulkin>path: yes. Now go install the update from security.debian.org
19:17<path>right away
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19:17<path>:B
19:17<Ouroboros>Maulkin: is that the update for today?
19:17<Maulkin>Ouroboros: yes
19:17<lupine>zomg haxx, etc
19:17<alaya>path: user must have a local account
19:17<path>alaya, yep
19:17<trueno>Ouroboros: alaya: I get a "mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.0.3' failed: timed out, retrying" all te tiem until it gets finally mounted
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19:22<alaya>trueno: don't know what to say, other than check log files, try to increse verbosity output on server/client, and maybe check to see if traffic is getting through on nfs port to server
19:22<alaya>e.g. tcpdump on port 2049 on server to see if mount request is coming through
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19:31<gasparex>stroyan: thank you !
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20:23<shane2peru>howdy all
20:23<shane2peru>I have a new install, and a few issues
20:23<shane2peru>1. I setup my printer, and it doesn' t print
20:24<shane2peru>also I got a test page in their as root, and can' t cancel the page.
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20:24<shane2peru>anyone in here?
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20:24<alec>shane2peru: i'm not a printer expert, but tell me how you set it up
20:24<alec>shane2peru: cups?
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20:24<shane2peru>ok, don' t flame me, but I set it up the same way I do in Ubuntu and every distro with gnome
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20:24<chris_>hello
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20:25<shane2peru>I went to admin, and selected printer
20:25<alec>in gnome?
20:25<alec>probably can't help you, sorry :(
20:25<chris_>hello is anybody here v?
20:25<shane2peru>alec, right in Gnome, it is a Network printer hooked to the router
20:25<shane2peru>it has always been an easy setup.
20:26<shane2peru>anyone out there tonight?
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20:26<shane2peru>ok, how about problem 2, sound I don' t think it setup correctly
20:26<chris_>how can i run linux (ubuntu) in a Mac power book ...please send the info to chris@alliancetech.ca
20:27<gsimmons>!tell chris_ -about ubuntu
20:27<shane2peru>chris_, you may want to hit the Ubuntu forums, or Ubuntu chat
20:28<shane2peru>chris_, www.ubuntuforums.org
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20:28<shane2peru>well, this is an active place
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20:28<shane2peru>can anyone tell me where I can get help?
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20:29<Knorrie>!ask
20:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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20:29<flypiper>chris_, the Debian Live Cd's run just fine on my Mac
20:30<shane2peru>Knorrie, I have already asked 2 questions
20:30<flypiper>chris_, you want the etch version or else the keyboard won't be detected at boot
20:30<shane2peru>Knorrie, 1, My printer didn' t setup correctly, I'm using Etch 64bit
20:31<shane2peru>!ask Gnome Network Printer Setup didn' t work
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20:32<shane2peru>never mind I will go to the Ubuntu community for help, I know I can find the answer there, even if I am using Debian
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20:32<shane2peru>alec, thanks for the offer, I do appreciate it.
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20:33<lobao>i have a 2 Mbps connect and the mtu that is automatic configured is 576 instead of 1500, somebody have a idea why this happen?
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20:36<chris_>Thank you Flypiper
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20:37<jef_>test
20:37<flypiper>chris_, np
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20:38<chris_>Flypipper , how can you write in "red"
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20:38<jef_>hi
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20:40<chris_>hi. Flypipper , ti me chris
20:41<jef_>:(
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21:42<panagos>are there any alternatives to running x.org (or X generally) for windows/graphics?
21:43<Bushmills>panagos: fresco (ex berlin) looked like a viable alternative in the work once, but I don't know whether they are still alive
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21:45<panagos>hmm, in wikipedia at least it says that last activity was in june 2004 :(
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21:47<panagos>what about fbdev?
21:47<panagos>or directdb? can one have windows/graphics with these? and how?
21:48<Bushmills>very few programs work directly on fbdev, without X for framebuffer between ... you'd be just back to a different output version of X
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21:49<Bushmills>that's almost akin to inserting a different video card into your computer, requiring a different driver, to break the X dependency
21:50<panagos>btw, i think that trolltech produces an alternative window system?
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21:54<abrotman>Bushmills: long dead last i checked
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21:55<Bushmills>abrotman: seem so... "2003-03-30 New IRC meeting log up" latest news on the web site
21:56<abrotman>but hey .. there's two people in #fresco on freenode!
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22:02<noble->how do I kill sessions?
22:02<noble->kill -9 doesn't work
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22:12<mpicca>?
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22:16<Aleric>Does anyone understand why this gives the error: mkfs.ext3: blocks per group count out of range
22:17<Aleric>dd if=/dev/zero of=test.fs bs=4096 count=1000
22:17<Aleric>mkfs.ext3 -b 1024 -g 128 -I 128 -j -J size=1 -m 0 -N 1024 -F test.fs 4000
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22:22<Bushmills>the -g option, evidently
22:22<Bushmills>making ext3 for raid?
22:23<Aleric>no, to test my ext3 recovery tool
22:23<Bushmills>try to drop the -g option
22:23<Aleric>Or rather, to see what exactly a 'rm' does.
22:23<Aleric>Then it is too large. I'll set it to 512 - that works
22:23<Aleric>mkfs.ext3 -b 1024 -g 512 -I 128 -j -J size=1 -m 0 -N 32 -F test.fs
22:24<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/sakFzk62.html
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23:14<_Dragons_>I cant get flash to work on my 64bit system... ive tried lots of forums, but still it wont work, can someone help me please?
23:14<_Dragons_>i use debian etch
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23:26<musicmanturkey>hello
23:26<musicmanturkey>hi
23:26<musicmanturkey>good morning
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23:32<yannick>Salut
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23:34<ranix>salut
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23:38<Danoz>does anyone know if there is a way so that make-kpkg doesnt do a clean everytime it builds a kernel? i don't really want to have to wait ages for each small change i make.
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