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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-02-13

---Logopened Wed Feb 13 00:00:20 2008
00:00<mike1980>!dell
00:00<dpkg>[dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, the worst company you could ever do business with, crap, http://www.domsch.com/linux/, http://linux.dell.com/
00:01<mike1980>!dell acpi
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00:08<treyh0>"a wonderful company" "the worst company"
00:08<treyh0>"makes very wonderful laptops" "some extremely bad laptops"
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00:08<treyh0>dpkg is broke
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00:18<asid>i have install poker-web package can anyone tell me what i need to do to run it?
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00:26<rockstar>If 0 is Home in vim, what's end?
00:26<Aleric>$
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00:26<rockstar>Ah, I knew that... d$ to delete to end of line...
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01:13<neomafia>hello
01:13<neomafia>any american here?
01:14<neomafia>hello!!!!!!!
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01:24<noble->why?
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01:24<neomafia>ermm
01:24<neomafia>nuffin
01:24<neomafia>i takeover america's money
01:24<noble->I'm american, though I hate admitting it, heh
01:25<neomafia>kewl
01:25<silent>I have a tar file I _need_ to decompress, which is giving me these errors: tar: This does not look like a tar archive, tar: Skipping to next header, tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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01:25<neomafia>do u ever heard bout it
01:25<neomafia>do u ever heard bout it/
01:25<neomafia>do u ever heard bout it/
01:25<neomafia>do u ever heard bout it?
01:25<neomafia>heh
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01:25<neomafia>damn k/b
01:25<neomafia>heh
01:26<kmap>silent: What does file <tatfile> say?
01:26<kmap>Er, <tarfile>
01:26<silent>lab3.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix
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01:26<neomafia>noble-?
01:26<kmap>silent: tar zxfv <tarfile>. Better, mv <tarfile> <tarfile>.gz and then tar zxfv it
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01:27<kmap>silent: That `z' does gunzip implicitly, if that is what was needed.
01:27<silent>make it lab3.tar.gz.gz?
01:27<kmap>Er, no!
01:27<neomafia>i'm soldier,bridget,rapache and adieputra
01:27<kmap>If it ends with gz, then just tar zxfv should do
01:28<neomafia>last year i know my name
01:28<neomafia>lol
01:28<silent>kmap, nothing
01:28<neomafia>do u know dvs?
01:28<kmap>silent: Huh? Whats's the error?
01:29<neomafia>i'm net-w0rm
01:29<silent>kmap, http://pastebin.ca/902162
01:29<neomafia>silly_willy
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01:30<kmap>silent: Then try gunzipping it. Do gunzip <tarfile>
01:30<kmap>silent: Then, try file <tarfile>
01:30<silent>kmap, money, I love you
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01:31<noble->nice
01:31<kmap>silent: Great!
01:31<neomafia>emm..
01:31<neomafia>i dont think so
01:31<kmap>silent: I bet it wasn't a tarfile after all? Just gzipped?
01:31<neomafia>hehe
01:31<silent>kmap, it would appear so
01:32<kmap>:-)
01:32<silent>it is a unix system different than this
01:32<kmap>Oh, I see...
01:32<silent>scientific linux or something
01:32<kmap>OK.
01:32<silent>I like my debian
01:32*kmap agrees.
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01:43<Jws>Hi all, would anyone be able to help me with a hard drive detection issue? I have a rather old machine with a 18gb Compaq SCSI-3 in it that debian doesn't seem to want to find
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01:46<pabs>is there any tool that can grab text from a gtk button, label or other widget?
01:46<alaya>Jws: is the controller chipset supported by the kernel? if so, what module?
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01:46<Jws>not a clue, I would be a noob
01:47<alaya>there are search engines
01:48<Jws>I've been looking around but I'm not quite clear on the terminology
01:48<alaya>does it show up with lspci?
01:48<Jws>lspci?
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01:48<alaya>yes
01:48<alaya>it should show up
01:49<Jws>how would I do that, boot from the disk and type lspci in at the initial prompt?
01:49<noble->type lspci
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01:49<noble->in terminal
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01:50<philipp>leute mir ist adept abgestürzt
01:50<alaya>Jws: is the disk in a running system?
01:50<philipp>wie bereinige ich das?
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01:50<Jws>it's an old server that I just picked up to mess around with, it's been cobbled together
01:50<Jws>no OS is on it atm
01:51<philipp>debian had a misstake and now i cant install anythink
01:51<alaya>Jws: if you boot the installer in expert mode there is option to load extra modules
01:51<alaya>Jws: but i don't know what module you need
01:51<SpeedyG>!de
01:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
01:52<Jws>how could I figure that out?
01:52<alaya>Jws: if you boot a linux rescue system like knoppix or whatever, you can get info from it
01:53<alaya>Jws: like run lspci
01:53<philipp>what shall i do when apt-get dosent work
01:54<alaya>philipp: well that info doesn't tell us very much to be able to help you
01:54<Jws>ah through expert I was able to get to a terminal and run 'lspci'
01:54<alaya>!doesn't work
01:54<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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01:54<philipp>there is a message that it is used by an other prozess
01:54<alaya>philipp: then kill the other process
01:55<alaya>philipp: or just reboot
01:55<Jws>I'm getting: "SCSI storate controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 (rev 37)"
01:55<Jws>and a few others
01:55<alaya>Jws: google for what kernel module that needs, then see if there is an option to load it in expert mode
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01:55<philipp>alaya i ve rebooted several times
01:56<alaya>philipp: paste the full output and maybe someone can help
01:56<alaya>but i must go now. have to clean.
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01:56<alaya>bye Jws
01:56<alaya>gl
01:57<Jws>thnx
01:57<alaya>!paste
01:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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01:58<philipp>seems like i heped myself
01:58<philipp>thx
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02:04<mike1980>HI there I install i8krellm is there a GUI for this or a Conf file I can use to control the fans etc?
02:04<mike1980>!i8krellm
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02:15<chandu>Hi
02:16<chandu>with this command for compileing drivers "make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=<path to driver source> modules"
02:16<chandu>I want to pass an option to the GCC compiler as
02:16<chandu>-iInclude -include include/linux/autoconf.h
02:16<chandu>How do I pass this option to the compiler
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02:21<kmap>chandu: edit the Makefile to pass those options?
02:21<chandu>what modifications to be done in Makefile
02:21<chandu>kmap, What modificaitons to be done in Makefile
02:22<kmap>chandu: I don't know, look for CFLAGS, or the way the compiler is called.
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02:22<kmap>chandu: And add your gcc option there.
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02:28<user>!ppc
02:28<dpkg>somebody said ppc was is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
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02:29<sco50000>Guest1358: use /msg dpkg ppc so you don't flood the channel
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02:31<Guest1358>Can someone help me get bootsplash working. I have it installed but I get nothing at boot
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02:33<Guest1358>I am trying to roll mt own kernel but when I type make clean in the src tree I get Makefile:275: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory, what am i missing
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03:36<morgan`>hello
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03:38<silent>I remember a utility that automatically detects and installs printers, what app is that?
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03:38<Le_Vert_>cups ? :D
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03:39<silent>Le_Vert_, I was thinking more along the lines of a GUI within gnome
03:39<Le_Vert_>okay
03:39<silent>detects all network/local printers and gives driver selections
03:39<silent>great utility
03:39<Le_Vert_>aptitude search cups | grep gnome
03:39<Le_Vert_>or printer | grep gnome
03:40<Le_Vert_>maybe seeing the name in a list will remind you
03:43<fanto666>how to force reinstallation of packageconfig files
03:43<gsimmons>!tell fanto666 -about confmiss
03:43<fanto666>how to force reinstallation of package's config files?
03:43<fanto666>thx
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03:50<devil>fanto666: apt-get install --reinstall <package>
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03:59<fanto666>devil it does not reinstall config files... that's what I asked for :)
03:59<fanto666>gsimmons already helped me
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05:22<tim>hi, i've got a name resolution problem on a debian/testing machine ... looking up hosts via "host" or "dig" works fine, but "ping" or "wget" won't work ... seems that the gethostbyname system call doesn't get resolved correctly ... any idea, what i might be doing wrong?
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05:49<Knight_Lord>Is it possible to setup PXE booting in such a way that I can choose the architecture that i want to install on the clients?
05:49<Knight_Lord>I read the debian manual on PXE installing, but the instructions leave me with a PXE server specific for a given architecture
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05:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:01<gsimmons>Knight_Lord: Provided your intended architecture supports PXE booting, you can deploy the relevant arch-specific netboot tarball in another directory on your TFTP server. Then establish a "boot menu" (eg. pxelinux.cfg/default) to select your desired installer kernel/initrd.
06:03<Knight_Lord>gsimmons Where can I find the relevant manpage on how to setup this boot menu?
06:04<Knight_Lord>man -k pxelinux was not very helpful
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06:10<gsimmons>Knight_Lord: Install the 'syslinux' package and read /usr/share/doc/syslinux/README.menu.gz for a description of the two menu systems. See also <http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478> for an example setup, which you could extend for your additional architectures.
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06:11<Knight_Lord>gsimmons thanks for the help :)
06:11<gsimmons>Knight_Lord: np
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06:14<fanto666>how are module packages built by module-assistant versioned? when I build a package, i get version <module_source_version>+<kernel_version> while those in debian distro are versioned <kernel_version>+<module_source_version>
06:15<fanto666>applies for ipw4935-modules
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06:16<panthera>this is on purpose
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06:16<fanto666>so those from debian override mine every time I do apt-get upgrade?
06:17<panthera>this only happens *iff* you rebuild a l-m-e module-binary with m-a
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06:17<panthera>which you're not supposed to do. if there is a official binary-module (from l-m-e), you shall use that.
06:18<fanto666>I backported newer version of those modules
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06:19<fanto666>panthera can I hack it somehow or should I do something else instead?
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06:21<panthera>if you do backports, you probably should do them with l-m-e instead of m-a
06:22<fanto666>hmmm what exactly is l-m-e ?
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06:27<zuch>Hi I need some help with packaging. Is this the place to discuss that?
06:28<fanto666>zuch you can still ask, maybe someone will help you, maybe you get pointed to correct place
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06:32<zuch>I'm trying to build a Debian package for java-gnome project. I have read the new maintainers guide. The guide suggests including the source along with the make and configure files. Should it be like that? Or should I have separate packages for source and compiled versions?
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06:35<kmap>zuch: The source should have the original tarball, preferably, unless yo have to remove non-freeness
06:35<kmap>zuch: While building the pacakge to make a deb, you can (in the process of building using rules) prevent installing unnecessary stuff in the destination
06:36<kmap>zuch: Also, please join #debian-mentors for more packaging advice.
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06:37<zuch>kmap: Thank you very much.
06:37<kmap>zuch: No problems. :-)
06:38<kmap>zuch: BTW, could you please tell me what you are packaging?
06:38<fanto666>panthera do you mean linux-modules-extra ?
06:38<panthera>yes
06:38<fanto666>is it available in etch?
06:40<fanto666>or should I fetch the source and built it all?
06:41<zuch>kmap: I'm trying to create a package for the project java-gnome. The debian repos have libgnome-java which is version 2.8.3.1-2. The bindings have been re-written since then and current version is 4.0.x
06:41<zuch>kmap: http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/
06:42<kmap>zuch: I see. That would really be appreciated, though you might want to coordinate your efforts with other java packagers...
06:42<kmap>(Or are you doing so already?)
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06:46<zuch>kmap: I'm new to packagin and at the moment I'm just trying to understand packaging. I would like to help and contact java packagers once I have enough information to supply to them.
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06:46<panthera>fanto666: you need matching kernel infrastructure (linux-2.6, linux-modules-* etc.)
06:46<padski>is there a limit to the length of names like 'eth0' ? how many chars ? where ?
06:47<zuch>kmap: Also I don't know who to contact. If you can point me in the right direction it would be great.
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06:47<kmap>zuch: debian-java@lists.debian.org, #debian-java
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06:48<kmap>zuch: Also, this would ensure nobody else is workign on it, so that efforts won't be duplicated.
06:48<zuch>kmap: ok great! thanks!
06:48<kmap>zuch: Welcome. And Welcome to Debian packaging as well. :-)
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06:50<zuch>kmap: :) great to be attempting to understand the best package management system in the world!
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06:54<fanto666>panthera: I think I do; apt-get build-dep linux-modules-extra should do that, shouldn't it ?
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06:56<fanto666>however that will build all available modules (in sid), not just ipw3945, for all kernels, not only mine
06:56<panthera>what are you trying to do?
06:56<aurel42>Hi. Can anyone think of a quick way to get the seconds since reboot or a timestamp (seconds since epoch) for the last reboot, perhaps a file that is touched only during reboot that I could use with data --reference?
06:56<panthera>backport a kernel, or backport a kernel module?
06:57<aurel42>...on the shell (or inside a bash script).
06:57<aurel42>s/data/date/
06:57<fanto666>panthera just build ipw3945 modules from sid (1.2.2) for etch kernel, so the version would be apropriate
06:58<panthera>fanto666: i'm don't know offhand if the version from sid works with the etch kernel.
06:58<panthera>fanto666: if so, backport ipw3945 to etch, rebuild l-m-e-2.6 from etch.
06:58<aurel42>./var/run/motd is created during boot. That'll do. -- Thanks, aurel42! :)
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06:59<fanto666>panthera: I have built it, my problem is that the version number is smaller than that in etch
06:59<panthera>aurel42: do you know uptime?
06:59<aurel42>panthera: parsing the result of uptime would be non-trivial in bash. :)
07:00<panthera>i don't think so?
07:00<aurel42>panthera: You can parse "14 days, 7 hours, 4 minutes" faster than doing "date +%s --reference /var/run/motd"?
07:00<panthera>UPTIME="$(cat /proc/uptime | awk '{ print $1 }')"
07:01<aurel42>Ah, I thought you were talking about /usr/bin/uptime :)
07:01<aurel42>Thanks, /proc/uptime will do nicely.
07:02<aurel42>panthera, mind telling me what the second number in /proc/uptime is?
07:03<panthera>aurel42: no idea :)
07:04<aurel42>Ah, the second number is "seconds spent idling" :)
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07:11<daft>I have a problem with upgrading libuuid1 (lenny) groupadd: You are using an undocumented option (-f)! groupadd: invalid option -- K dpkg: error processing libuuid1 (--install):
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07:16<daft>Ow nm was solved but still the old deb in my argive :/
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07:17<ohcibi|lappi>hi folks.... i'm not allowed to use sudo.. i'm in the sudoers-file, in the sudo-group, what else should be done to allow me to use it?
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07:18<petemc>ohcibi|lappi: what does it say when you try?
07:18<naoliv>Stupid question, but what is this "+" at the end of "-rw-rw-r--+", please?
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07:19<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: ohcibi is not allowed to run sudo on host. This incident will be reported
07:19<petemc>ohcibi|lappi: and what does your entry in sudoers look like?
07:19<Samooka>hello guys
07:19<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: ohcibi ALL=(ALL) ALL
07:20<petemc>ohcibi|lappi: did you set this up?
07:20<Samooka>Has anyone had trouble with the xmms gtk menus showing a weird font?
07:20<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: yea i wrote it in that file, if u mean that
07:20<Samooka>I noticed there are several posts on the web with this problem, but none of the proposed solutions worked for me
07:20<petemc>ohcibi|lappi: and its your box? you havent messed with groups or anything?
07:21<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: what do you mean, messed with groups?
07:21<petemc>changed anything with regard to the groups on your computer
07:21<petemc>you dont know what mess means?
07:22<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: ive done nothing but changing /etc/group to get me into the sudo-group
07:22<petemc>what sudo group?
07:22<ohcibi|lappi>group called sudo
07:22<petemc>thats not required
07:22<petemc>undo that, try again
07:23<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: do i have to restart/re-login or anything?
07:23<petemc>probably relogin
07:23<poppen>is there any application in debian who installs tar files automaticly?
07:23<petemc>poppen: checkinstall will attempt to make a deb
07:24<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: its the same
07:24<petemc>that was quick
07:24<poppen>is checkinstall a program or a command?
07:24<petemc>both
07:24<poppen>so i type, checkinstall "filename" ?
07:24<poppen>and it creaates a deb ?
07:24<petemc>it has documentation
07:25<poppen>ok ty
07:25<ohcibi|lappi>petemc: yea relogin, does not take so long 8-)
07:26<poppen>dont have a checkinstall command :S
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07:26<petemc>!checkinstall
07:26<dpkg>methinks checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724
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07:38<poppen>anyone know if there is an .deb out for firefox 3 beta 3?
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07:39<nvde>could somebody instruct me how to run a chrooted debian with gnome on VT9?
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07:53<ohcibi|lappi>after starting X my graphics-card is not able to switch back into another resolution.... it just sticks at the resolution used at starting x... so i cant access my ttys... does anybody know what to do?
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07:58<wandeson>oi
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08:07<roychris>hi
08:08<roychris>I would like to do a ulimit -n 2048 on etch but Ican : my user doesn't have the permission. How can I increase this value ?
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08:17<sporkboy>okay, so I'm having a couple of issues with this new laptop. first off, the touchpad was fine in knoppix, but it moves on the screen about the same distance as i move my finger... very annoying.
08:18<Aleric>gnome?
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08:19<sporkboy>does it in gnome and kde
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08:20<Aleric>If you are running gnome then I think you should look around in 'gnome control panel'
08:20<Aleric>I don't have a touchpad (or laptop), but if my mouse was doing that, then there was where I'd start to look.
08:21<sporkboy>yeah, it's all cranked all the way up.. didn't change a thing.
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08:24<nvde>is there a way to download a package including all dependencies for another architecture?
08:25<azeem>nvde: you can hack around with apt config
08:26<sporkboy>hrmm.. well.. problem #2: wifi not working at all. I have an eth0, but it's not working in the least.
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08:37<gsimmons>sporkboy: What wireless device do you have?
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08:53<sporkboy>gsimmons: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller
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09:02<giovanni>how do you set the timeout of the nfs server?
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09:07<gsimmons>sporkboy: Ah, USB? You'll need to use ndiswrapper, as the bcm43xx/b43legacy drivers don't support USB devices. Alternatively, your device could potentially operate with the RNDIS driver.
09:07<gsimmons>!tell sporkboy -about ndiswrapper
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09:17<utab>what is the login file in debian
09:18<utab>I used the .bashrc file to source some scripts but where should I put them for start up
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09:25<albert>ola!!
09:26<albert>ola?
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09:27<sporkboy>gsimmons: it's not actually usb. and ndiswrapper doesn't seem to work either.
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09:50<ubuntu>hi i am using a live cd of ubuntu
09:50<weasel>then what are you doing in #debian?
09:50<azeem>ubuntu: are you using konversation?
09:50<ubuntu>im not sure wat version just know its 7.10 i friend passed onto me and told me i have to give it a try im just new to this and im enquiring if all my drivers for my pc are available
09:50<weasel>!ubuntu
09:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is a Debian derivative with GNOME as its default desktop environment. /join #ubuntu @ irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>.
09:51<weasel>who changed that factoid?
09:51<azeem>!factinfo ubuntu
09:51<dpkg>ubuntu -- last modified 1d 10h 18m 32s ago by simonrvn!i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn; it has been requested 3 times, last by weasel, 21s ago.
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09:51<ubuntu>there is noone in that channel to help me
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09:52<azeem>ubuntu: on irc.freenode.net, not here (irc.oftc.net)
09:52<weasel>ubuntu: this is not the place for ubuntu support.
09:52<azeem>different network
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09:52<ubuntu>where can i find the place for some support plz
09:52<azeem>ubuntu: see what dpkg said above
09:52<azeem>ubuntu: again, are you using konversation?
09:52<ubuntu>yes i am
09:52<azeem>stupid defaults
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09:53<ubuntu>can you please tell me how to find ubuntu support
09:53<weasel>ubuntu: LEARN TO READ
09:53<weasel>ubuntu: YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD AT LEAST TWICE
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09:55<kmap>azeem: Do you want me to open a bug report in launchpad about this? (Default Konversation etc.)
09:55<azeem>kmap: no
09:55<kmap>(not that I like launchpaed or anything)
09:55<kmap>azeem: OK.
09:55<azeem>(reading konversation ubuntu changelog, it seems to be fixed)
09:55<kmap>Ah! Thanks!
09:56<azeem>then again, the changelog also seems to imply it was fixed before, so dunno
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09:56<kmap>azeem: OK, I see it too... but the sync might have spoilt it...
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09:56<kmap>Anyway, let's see if it happens more, then I'll react if needed. :-)
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10:08<hever>the first col in crontab -e is minutes right? I'm going to run a script every 5 minutes anr read I should enter "* /5" but if the first is minutes I think i shlud enter /5 *
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10:09<Zathras>typing man crontab is quicker compared to typing your question here
10:10<hever>Zathras: yes but in man crontab the format isnt descriobes
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10:11<Zathras>1st hit on google: http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
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10:16<hever>I'm able to google... I think the crontab format in the documentation of the software is not the one debian uses.... I'll lookup google what's the / means
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10:18<hever>aahhh i understand
10:18<hever>;)
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10:39<iury>hello...
10:39<iury>I'm having dificulties on installing Sun Java 1.5
10:39<iury>to run Mercury
10:39<iury>can anyone help me please?
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10:41<tim>hi, i've got a name resolution problem on a debian/testing machine ... looking up hosts via "host" or "dig" works fine, but "ping" or "wget" won't work ... seems that the gethostbyname system call doesn't get resolved correctly ... any idea, what i might be doing wrong?
10:42<azeem>tim: which hosts?
10:42<azeem>tim: and what do you mean with "won't work"?
10:43<tim>azeem, "don't work" means, that hosts can't be looked up: .... ping: unknown host debian.org
10:44<azeem>works for me
10:45<tim>azeem, i hope so!
10:45<tim>azeem, it seems, that the gethostbyname system call doesn't resolve correctly
10:45<tim>azeem, dig or host can resolve the addresses fine ...
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10:47<azeem>tim: did you muck around with /etc/nssswitch.conf or /etc/gai.conf or so?
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10:48<tim>azeem, not that i know of ... /etc/gai.conf does only contain comments, /etc/nsswitch.conf contains the line "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dsn mdns4" (among others)
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10:49<azeem>mdns4_minimal?
10:49<kop>Anybody know how to make PDFs from XML docbook documents? passivetex is no longer in etch, so xmlto won't work. And docbook-utils jw program does not support XML. Is there anything that converts XML to SGML so jw will work?
10:49<azeem>tim: maybe try dns before that temporarily
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10:51<kop>azeem: I don't have gai.conf and don't have a man page. Where do I rtfm?
10:51<azeem>kop: why are you concerned about gai.conf?
10:51<azeem>otherwise, the general answer would be "google" I guess
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10:52<tim>azeem, ah ... i guess, that was the problem! maybe it was somehow messed up, when trying to install bind ...
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10:52<tim>azeem, thanks a lot!
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11:08<iury_>can anyone help me installing a tftp server?
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11:15<pirreddu>ciao
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11:17<path_>!it
11:17<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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11:19<viktor>hi im lookin for the server to provide help with ubuntu does anyone know it
11:20<Enfi|ade>Official Ubuntu support channel is on Freenode
11:21<viktor>how do i get there
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11:23<viktor>like anyone what the server is freenode etc
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11:25<fanto666>irc.freenode.net?
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11:52<giovanni>Hi guys
11:52<giovanni>I have a string in bash... do you know how I can get the first N character of that string?
11:53<petemc>you can
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11:53<giovanni>how petemc :)
11:53<giovanni>with cut?
11:54<petemc>no, bash itself
11:54<giovanni>I need to do that on a pipe
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11:54<giovanni>I've found out however... cut -b 1-N
11:55<petemc>newvar=${OLDVAR:0:1}
11:55<petemc>something like that
11:57<Zathras>you can also use AWK
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12:00<Zathras>anyone with a hint on how solve the following. Having a Debian Etch machine with two NICs. On every reboot I have to manually (on console) kick the eth's a couple of times to get them running. No errors. best is to solve the issue. Alternative workaround is to have a script to do some IPv4 checking (ipv6 is ok)
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12:01<petemc>Zathras: kicking involves what?
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12:02<Zathras>ifup ifdown mii-tool -r -R eth1
12:02<Zathras>that kind of stuff
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12:02<petemc>and nothing in dmesg or messages?
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12:03<Zathras>nope. just checked
12:04<petemc>do you see anything in dmesg if you unplug the cable?
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12:04<Zathras>don't know. Do not want to do that now as I have some sessions running
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12:05<petemc>and you have the interfaces set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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12:06<Zathras>hmm. Just a fresh install. Normally everything is on auto. Now it appears to be on "allow-hotplug"
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12:07<lumat>*sigh* iceweasel actually turned into a piece of crap
12:07<lumat>crashes as soon as I call about:plugins (even without any installed and all extensions disabled)
12:08<Zathras>just reedited the config. see what happens after the next reboot. thanks. Overlooked that one. Shame on me
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12:08<lumat>general environment ist stable/testing btw
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12:09*lumat needs a hint to an suitable IRC channel ...
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12:16<Wesley>Whats a possible reason for the command "whois" to time out on everything?
12:17<the-me>the whois server ignores you or it's just down.
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12:17<lucas_amorim>hello, I am using debian lenny but with kernel 2.6.23.14 instead of the default kernel. Now, in this last lenny update manager wants to install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 . Isn't it another kernel? I don't want to downgrade to 2.6.22 because i have compiled 2.6.23 to my needs. What should i do?
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12:18<lucas_amorim>should i just hold its version on synaptic?
12:18<the-me>lucas_amorim, you've to cry. or just to install the new one but using your own.
12:18<lucas_amorim>lol
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12:19<lucas_amorim>after i install can i apt-get remove it?
12:19<Wesley>the-dude; where are the whois servers listed?
12:21<lucas_amorim>the-me: it also wants to install linux-libc-dev. what if i just don't install these two packages?
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12:22<the-me>lucas_amorim, should I realy ask you, why you're not using the stable branch if you're not skilled enough to find out such simple things for you alone, or not?
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12:22<azeem>lucas_amorim: see whether you have a kernel meta package installed (like linux-image-2.6) and remove that
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12:23<lucas_amorim>the-me: I had to compile the kernel because nvidia drivers wanted me to have a kernel compiled with the same version of gcc i was using
12:23<lucas_amorim>azeem: ok, thats what I was thinking lol thank you
12:24<azeem>lucas_amorim: that's a pretty bad reason to compile your own kernel
12:24<lucas_amorim>azeem: well, thats how someone here instructed me
12:25<azeem>hrm
12:25<azeem>lucas_amorim: you remember who that was?
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12:25<lucas_amorim>since there was no other way of making the drivers work i picked this solution
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12:25<azeem>lucas_amorim: I hope you patched your kernel for the recent root exploit then
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12:26<lucas_amorim>root exploit?
12:26<lucas_amorim>what is that?
12:27<azeem>lucas_amorim: are you the only person using that computer?
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12:27<lucas_amorim>yes
12:28<lucas_amorim>how would you workaround that nvidia problem then?
12:28<azeem>install the matching gcc
12:28<azeem>maybe from snapshot.debian.net
12:29<lucas_amorim>i had gcc 4.2 and the kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1
12:29<lucas_amorim>then i should downgrade to gcc 4.1?
12:29<lucas_amorim>*should have downgraded
12:29<azeem>gcc-4.1 is a seperate package
12:29<azeem>you can install both side by side
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12:29<lucas_amorim>oh
12:30<lucas_amorim>i didn't know that
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12:30<muh2000>hi
12:30<lucas_amorim>next thats what i will do ;)
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12:31<lucas_amorim>thank you people
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12:48<Haru>is it possible to install a package locally without being root ?
12:49<path>of course it is possible :)
12:50<Haru>path, how?
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12:51<azeem>Haru: not easily
12:51<azeem>Haru: Debian packages are not relocatable in general
12:52<Haru>meaning?
12:52<Haru>and what would be the hard way?
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12:54<azeem>Haru: unpacking the .deb somewhere in your home folder, possibly munging PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH et al. and hoping it works
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12:56<Haru>azeem, well how do i get all the associated dependencies first?
12:56<azeem>Haru: same
12:57<Haru>manually download all debs?
12:57<azeem>yes
12:57<Haru>aww
12:57<azeem>I said it's not easy
12:57<Haru>and i cant use apt-get -d w/o root either?
12:57<azeem>don't think so
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12:58<azeem>(even if you tell it the Cache is in your $HOME)
12:58<azeem>Haru: you could try maybe, but I guess it checks for root rather than whether it can write to the cache directory for -d
12:58<azeem>Haru: maybe running it with fakeroot works
12:58<Haru>well i cant get the lock let alone go further as to change cache
12:58<azeem>ah, right
12:58<azeem>the lock
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12:59<azeem>well, the location of the lock file is also governed by some option
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13:11<Haru>azeem, it sucks not to be able to use apt to just download packages
13:11<Haru>w/o root permits i.e.
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13:12<Jflesch>Haru: if you have enought disk space, you can try to make your own chroot
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13:12<Jflesch>but I don't know if it can work without being root
13:12<Haru>chroot
13:13<Jflesch>yes, making your own little debian in your home and then chroot on it
13:13<Jflesch>just an idea ...
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13:13<azeem>chroot is a system call
13:13<Jflesch>azeem: restricted to root ?
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13:16<Woet`>how to make a screen exit + the running process?
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13:16<Woet>with the page 'screen' i mean
13:16<E0x>exit screen and let the process runing you mean ?
13:16<Woet>no, exit the process too
13:16<E0x>screen -r
13:16<E0x>restore the deatch screen
13:17<E0x>and crlt+c
13:17<Woet>i cant use ctrl keys.
13:17<E0x>or look for the for the pid
13:17<E0x>of the process and kill it
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13:17<Woet>how to find the pid?
13:17<E0x>with top or ps
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13:17<stroyan>Jflesch: If root sets up the schroot package then non-root users can be given access to chroot.
13:18<donfede>what might be the length limit for a *nix userid? (where could one find out for sure?)
13:18<Woet>err, this will all need to go automaticly E0x
13:18<Woet>with a script
13:18<Woet>so i cant have a list like ps or top
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13:19<Woet>isnt there something like 'screen -k windowtitle'
13:19<Jflesch>stroyan: k, good to know :)
13:19<Woet>and that the process + window exits?
13:19<E0x>maybe you can do that the app write they pid in a file
13:20<E0x>so you can check in the file what pid are and kill it
13:20<Woet>i cant change the app.
13:21<E0x>look for the options/manual of the app maybe already have the funtion/flag
13:21<E0x>to do that
13:21<Woet>err, it doesnt
13:21<Woet>its a counterstrike source server.
13:21<Woet>and multiple other games
13:21<Woet>im pretty sure not all of them have such flag
13:22<E0x>but that kind of app you dont need run in a screen for get it in background
13:22<E0x>i end can be a deamon
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13:22<Woet>E0x, it isnt possible to use nohup for some reason
13:23<Woet>./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100
13:23<Woet>works fine
13:24<Woet>nohup ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100 &
13:24<Woet>says it misses the 'port' parameter
13:24<E0x>maybe it use a config file
13:24<E0x>to pass the parameters
13:24<Woet>no, it doesnt
13:24<Woet>exactly the same command, but with nohup in front, and & at the back
13:24<Woet>gives an error
13:24<kop>azeem: Curious about what gai.conf does. Just keeping current.
13:24<Woet>and without nohup and &, it doesnt
13:25<E0x>http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Halflife_Dedicated_Server_(CounterStrike)
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13:26<Kebianizao|work>Hello
13:26<Kebianizao|work>how do I set mysql to use innodb as default?
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13:27<Woet>E0x -> nice
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13:27<Woet>'Reason given: Spam and later blanked'
13:28<Woet>anyways, why does nohup mess up with the port parameter?
13:29<Woet>and how the hell do i exit 'man' ?
13:29<Woet>ctrl + z, hm
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13:30<Woet>nobody knows why nohup messes up the +port parameter?
13:30<stroyan>Woet: Use q instead of ctrl Z q really quits instead of putting in background.
13:31<Woet>thanks stroyan
13:31<Woet>you dont know why nohup messes up the +port parameter?
13:32<stroyan>Woet: I don't know what that could be. I would expect a nohup problem to come from an application reading from /dev/tty. I would never expect it to drop arguments like that.
13:33<Woet>yea, its really weird
13:33<Woet>exactly the same command, without nohup, works fine
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13:35<hever>Hej, (LANG=nl_NL; LANGUAGE=nl_NL; LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL; gettext tar "Memory exhausted" ) dont translate the string. What can I do ?
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13:36<Woet>maxplayers set to 32
13:36<Woet>Unknown command "port"
13:36<Woet>maxplayers set to 12
13:36<Woet>thats what happens with nohup
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13:37<ncs|Rvge^>hello
13:37<ncs|Rvge^>can someone help me?
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13:46<Whoppix27>whats up?
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13:47<peleg>does anyone know what are - and where are - my "postalias and postmap programs" ?
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13:50<poppen>can someone tell me a software with graphical interface for mounting iso files?
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13:50<Kebianizao|work>poppen: you can do iso://file.iso in konqueror
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13:54<poppen>thank you
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13:55<knoppix_>ls
13:55<knoppix_>#join iftc
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13:56<Woet>spam
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14:01<poppen>is there any way mounting an iso as a cdrom?
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14:02<adrian_>something like "mount -t iso9660 -o loop ~/image.iso /mnt/cdrom"
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14:02<axxum>hi all
14:02<axxum>any romanian here?
14:02<adrian_>yes, me :D
14:02<azeem>!ro
14:03<azeem>hrm
14:03<axxum>salut
14:03<Woet>./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100
14:03<Woet>works fine
14:03<Woet>nohup ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100 &
14:03<Woet>says it misses the 'port' parameter
14:03-!-Woet was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:03<poppen>adrian is the command exactly like that?
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14:03<axxum>are cineva 5 minute?
14:03<azeem>axxum: this is an english-language channel
14:03<adrian_>yes, but you have to put instead of ~/image.iso your image file
14:03<axxum>ok ,no problem, thx
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14:05<adrian_>Hi ! I have a small problem with my debian computer: my usb webcam (Genius i-look 111) is working under windows, but under linux don't work. I've installed the gspca module, the webcam is visible from the "lsusb" command , the gspca module is enabled (or at least so tells me the "lsmod" command), but the "/dev/video0" isn't created. Can you give me some advices (I've googled about it but I aven't)?
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14:29<ServerSide>omfg http://elitepicturehost.com/viewpic.php?code=b5f2f82c6d0a0a3094a1ebaed6648b99 after updating etqw, my prompt is in this weird language
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14:30<Haru>python-cairo is already the newest version.
14:30<Haru> and yet i get checking for PYCAIRO... configure: error: Package requirements (pycairo >= 1.0.2) were not met
14:30<Haru>any ideas?
14:30<weasel>ServerSide: that's what you get for dumping binary crap to the terminal
14:30<weasel>ServerSide: typing "reset" might fix stuff
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14:39<Woet>./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100
14:39<Woet>works fine
14:39<Woet>nohup ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100 &
14:39<Woet>says it misses the 'port' parameter
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14:39<peleg>basic question: how do I assign a new group to a new user?
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14:40<bma>peleg, adduser <user> <group>
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14:40<peleg>bma: if I have already created the user? how can I NOW assign him to a new group? or is the new group automatically added with his own name?
14:41<bma>If you've already created the user, adduser adds it to a group.
14:41<peleg>bma: ok, thanks!
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14:44<bma>Is there any way for a script running in an xterm to set the X11 Urgent hint on that xterm?
14:45<Haru>python-cairo is already the newest version, and yet i get checking for PYCAIRO... configure: error: Package requirements (pycairo >= 1.0.2) were not met.. any ideas?
14:48<apok>hi
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14:48<apok>is someone using debian etch with a dvd-rom on sata?
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14:53<dkr>apok: you might have more luck if you ask your real question
14:53<apok>yes sorry
14:54<apok>i can't install debian etch
14:54<apok>my dvd/writer rom is not detected into the hardaware detection
14:55<valdyn>apok: use a newer installer like on:
14:55<valdyn>!kmuto
14:55<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
14:55<apok>it's a dvd/writer on sata
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14:55<apok>with Lenny it's ok
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14:55<valdyn>apok: irrelevant, all that mattes is that your sata controller is unsupported by etch's kernel
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14:56<apok>so nothing to do.
14:56<valdyn>apok: hmm? read?
14:56<valdyn>!be a reading barbie
14:56<dpkg>Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn
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14:57<apok>what is the Ubuntu firmware?
14:58<apok>thanks for the link
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14:58<valdyn>apok: its firmware files that ubuntu ships, but debian does not.
14:59<valdyn>apok: ( at least not on the installer )
14:59<apok>difficult to traduce
15:00<dkr>traduce=translate
15:00<apok>yes
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15:01<apok>i'm french, and i have diffuculties to translate ;)
15:02<apok>ok, i'm downloading the custom iso 0129
15:03<apok>it's a netinst?
15:04<apok>stupid question, it's written.
15:05<apok>THANKS :) :)
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15:05<mike^^>hey, should there be any problems using a voodoo2 as the gfx for X?
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15:11<apok>Are you using mozilla-firefox? i have lot a bug with it
15:12<mike^^>firefox iceweasel ?
15:12<apok>yes
15:13<mike^^>which version?
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15:13<apok>the software freeze or shut without reasons
15:13<apok>it's 2.0.0.11
15:13<apok>and 2.0.0.12
15:13<mike^^>try rm -rf .mozilla/ in /home/blaah/
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15:14<mike^^>maybe starting it from console or gdb will provide some answers
15:14<stevecotton>Before that, it's worth backing up your bookmarks.
15:14<mike^^>yes
15:14<stevecotton>(before the rm -rf)
15:14<mike^^>back up your bookmarks
15:14<mike^^>:>
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15:15<mike^^>i forgot about that
15:15<apok>:)
15:15<apok>ok, i'll testing.
15:16<mike^^>hm, mines been stable but i havent updated in ages
15:16<mike^^>maybe i'll get my nasty surprise now
15:16<Woet>./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100
15:16<Woet>works fine
15:16<Woet>nohup ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +port 27015 +map de_dust2 +maxplayers 12 +fps_max 500 -tickrate 100 &
15:16<Woet>says it misses the 'port' parameter
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15:17<mike^^>shoulnt it say -port
15:17<Woet>i will have a try
15:18<Woet>yea, thanks!
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15:18<Woet>weird it doesnt give the error when i dont use nohup though
15:19<mike^^>probably ignores the errors and continues with the default settings
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15:22<mike^^>hrm, i should also mention that when i load the xserver with voodoo as the Driver in xorg, the display goes black and all i can do is ctrl alt del... not even ctrl alt f1 etc. recovers it
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15:23<Brenwil>hi all
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15:24<apok>hi
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15:27<Ouroboros>is there a command to add a hostkey to known_hosts without having to actually connect to the machine?
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15:28<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: cat hostkey >> known_hosts
15:28<dondelelcaro>(or similar)
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15:28<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: it seems to be in a different format... like the hostname is hashed or somehting
15:28<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: it doesn't have to be
15:28<Ouroboros>ah
15:28<Ouroboros>ok i will try that
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15:28<dondelelcaro>(and if you want it to be, you can use ssh-keygen -H afterwards)
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15:29<peleg>is "daemon" a default group in debian?
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15:29<Ouroboros>peleg: sure
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15:30<peleg>Ouroboros: hmm... so when I add a new user for mailman, should I assign it to "daemon" group, and not to a new group that I have created? (or to both?)
15:30<Ouroboros>peleg: no idea
15:30<peleg>Ouroboros: thanks!
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15:37<donfede>again, any pointers on finding username (possibly also passwd, and uid) length limits?
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15:37<dondelelcaro>donfede: it depends on lots of things
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15:37<donfede>dondelelcaro: but there must be a "lowest common denominator" (ie: don't pass $X or things will break)
15:38<donfede>back in "old days" it was 8 char ... (may still be on systems like AIX) ...
15:38<donfede>but POSIX / *nix is still alive and kicking and has come a long way ... it's got to be something more now
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15:39<donfede>would that limit/answer be in PAM? (I'm searching passwd , from shadowutils package, code now)
15:39<dondelelcaro>donfede: uid tends to be limited to < 65534, password has no real length limits (though some things start ignoring characters after some point), and usernames don't really have a set limit either, though that depends on everything that is using the username information.
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15:40<donfede>i'm seeing limits of 128 for passwd in the passwd util (crypt/des only looked at first 8 chars ... I believe md5 only looks at first 32 ... ) ... still I am particularly interested in username
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15:41<donfede>oh, looks like md5 pass length limit is 127 .
15:41<donfede> if (getdef_bool ("MD5_CRYPT_ENAB"))
15:41<donfede> pass_max_len = 127;
15:41<Supaplex>is there a smarter way to do this? http://rafb.net/p/7mHXOl74.html I'd like to install the available build-dep's even if some are missing (and backport those by hand myself, if need be) the output files seem to be a little too unpredictible to totally automate this.
15:41<dondelelcaro>donfede: most of the limits you're going to find are agregate limits
15:42<dondelelcaro>donfede: NIS for example has to have line lengths of less than 1024
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15:42<miksuh>has anyone tried to backport Anjuta 2.2 from lenny to Etch?
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15:42<miksuh>I mean Anjuta DevStudio IDE
15:43<ohcibi_>hi folks... my mousebuttons are triggering two button-press and two button-release events in X... so every single click acts like a double click... how can i prevent this?
15:44<mitchell>guys i downloaded an unstable version of debian 4.0 and burned it on a bootable disc but when i restart my pc and tried to boot it takes me in a mr-dosA: prompt!! can someone help
15:44<mitchell>?
15:45<miksuh>unstable version of 4.0?
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15:45<miksuh>Debian 4.0 'Etch' is current stable
15:46<mitchell>ok etch
15:46<Supaplex>mitchell: what's in the floppy drive? :)
15:46<mitchell>nothin
15:47<mitchell>i dont know why its prompting me that instead of going straight for the installation procedure
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15:47<Supaplex>where did the iso image come from? unstable iso images are rare
15:47<mitchell>no i was wrong
15:48<mitchell>its etch
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15:48<mitchell>its etch that im trying to install
15:48<Mr-R>mitchell: how did you burn the iso? with some fancy "boot-cd" option?
15:49<Supaplex>then it's one screwed up iso with the wrong bootimage (eltirito or how ever you spell it)
15:49<miksuh>damn, looks like there is no backported Anjuta 2.2 packages for the Etch..
15:49<miksuh>I woul like to use Anjuta 2.2, but don't want to upgrade to lenny yet..
15:49<mitchell>i straightly burned it with nero to avoid trouble
15:49<peleg>how can I get the list of all of the users?
15:49<miksuh>would=would
15:49<miksuh>woul=would
15:50<Supaplex>miksuh: /msg dpkg chroot install
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15:50<miksuh>yeah that would be one solution..
15:50<valdyn>!simple sid backport
15:50<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
15:50<Supaplex>mitchell: I want to examine the iso image. can you tell me what url it's from?
15:50<Supaplex>valdyn: that's not so simple sometimes.
15:50<valdyn>miksuh: did you try backporting anjuta?
15:51<miksuh>not yet
15:51<valdyn>Supaplex: yea, im aware
15:51<valdyn>miksuh: try, if it works its an easy solution
15:51<miksuh>it might ne harder than just backoporting simple application..
15:51<mitchell>supaplex: its straight from the debian site
15:52<mitchell>i dont remember the exact torrent
15:52<Supaplex>well that's reassuring.
15:52<miksuh>Yep, I think i'll try if it's possible
15:52<Supaplex>if the boot image is that fubar, #debian-boot will know why
15:52<Supaplex>baring anything you did :)
15:52<mitchell>:)
15:54<mitchell>supaplex what you think is my prob
15:54<mitchell>?
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15:54<Supaplex>it sounds like you have a dos boot disk as the boot image on that cd.
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15:55<mitchell>ye i think so
15:55<Supaplex>and if it's nero's doing, it implies maybe you at least tried to make one previously
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15:55<Supaplex>eg, last defaults are snagging your efforts
15:56<Supaplex>I was going to extract the boot image from the iso, but 1. don't have the utility now. 2. me too lazy.
15:56<mitchell>haha
15:56<mitchell>ufffff
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16:00<Supaplex>!tell mitchell -about netinst
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16:01<blueice>Can someone assist with evolution. ever since a upgrade a few weeks ago i cannot add the url when creating an exchange account.
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16:08<ServerSide>Checking for C++ header file SDL/SDL.h... no
16:08<ServerSide>How can I install it?
16:08<valdyn>ServerSide: to compile what?
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16:09<ServerSide>some "private" stuff
16:09<ServerSide>not mine
16:09<Supaplex>ServerSide: apt-file search SDL/SDL.h
16:10<ServerSide>nothin' :s
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16:10<Supaplex>did you install apt-file and run apt-file update?
16:10<ServerSide>oh, i forgot update ~_~
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16:15<apok>i have a question: how i can't "open" a crackme.exe with nasm?
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16:17<apok>i have those errors : crackme3.exe:1: error: parser: instruction expected
16:17<apok>crackme3.exe:3: error: comma or end of line expected
16:17<apok>crackme3.exe:4: error: label or instruction expected at start of line
16:17<apok>crackme3.exe:5: error: label or instruction expected at start of line
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16:17<apok>??
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16:18<Supaplex>you mean disassemble?
16:18<bernardo>hello
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16:28<apok>yes
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16:28<Ouroboros>apok: use objdump?
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16:30<apok># apt-cache search objdump
16:30<apok>dissy - graphical frontend for objdump ?
16:30<apok>it's that?
16:30<Ouroboros>apok: its part of gcc i think, you should already have it
16:30<Ouroboros>apok: but no, thats not it
16:30<apok>ok
16:31<apok>how i can "disassemble"?
16:31<apok>i don't understand (sorry).
16:31<Ouroboros>objdump -d <file> # man objdump
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16:33<apok>ok, thanks
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16:33<apok>i try.
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16:39<bernardo>:)
16:39<bernardo>:)
16:39<bernardo>;)
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16:50<brokencycle>Hi!
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16:55<Supaplex>someday I'll meet my old friend from 1988 or thereabouts who said "This HDD will never fill up" and smack the day lights out of them. :P
16:56<matt1606>hello. anyone here using kde 4.0.1?
16:56<alaya>maybe it never filled up ;-=
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16:57<apok>not me matt
16:57<alaya>matt1606: its not even part of debian
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16:58<matt1606>it is in experimental and sid and parts of it in tsting
16:58<alaya>its not in sid
16:58<dkr>Supaplex: data is gaseous in nature. it expands to fill its container
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16:59<matt1606>not all
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16:59<alaya>not any
16:59<Supaplex>!kde4
16:59<dpkg>hmm... kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
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17:00<matt1606>its developenment platform is planned to be released with lenny
17:01<Supaplex>even if it's frozen with lenny, it's still in jeopardy of being axed (eg, like ntfs-3g did with etch)
17:01<matt1606>the development process is long
17:01<Supaplex>just have to wait and see :)~~~
17:02<matt1606>I'm using it now and I'm sort of satisfied
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17:02<alaya>I'll wait a couple of years. thx.
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17:02<matt1606>heh - gnome fan?
17:03<alaya>no, kde
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17:03<hhkzk>I disconnected from ssh and when I reconnect I'm on a new instance of bash. How do I get back to the old one?
17:03<alaya>just not in a hurry to try out something that's experimental
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17:03<matt1606>understood
17:03<alaya>hhkzk: screen
17:03<craigevil>by the time kde4.02 is released it will hopefully be ok
17:04<matt1606>i've installed before v. 4.0
17:04<alaya>matt1606: as a rule, when something is new and getting lots of press, etc., it is usually 2-3 years before its really usable
17:04<matt1606>in fact it was buggy
17:04<alaya>matt1606: seems to be a thing in the OSS world
17:05<matt1606>but progrss has to be made
17:05<Supaplex>oss? and vista was perfect on launch date. *laff*
17:05<alaya>matt1606: then, in the interim, because of all the hype, thousands of people manage to try it and get frustrated and give up
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17:05<matt1606>thats true
17:05<alaya>Supaplex: very true also
17:05<sirion>asdasd
17:05<Supaplex>and far too many never look back
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17:05<bma>Supaplex, the difference there is that even after two or three years, Vista won't be usable...
17:05<matt1606>but those people shouldn't install it in the first place
17:05<Supaplex>bma: hehe yea
17:05<alaya>so i just ignore hype and wait. patience has its virtues
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17:06<matt1606>but there must be people who will test it and report bugs
17:06<alaya>bma: very true. it is a horrible piece of garbage
17:07<alaya>matt1606: normally QA deptartments do that. but in OSS often unsuspecting endusers get forced to do it
17:07<Supaplex>matt1606: the driving priciple behind <siyh>
17:07<bma>I've thankfully managed to avoid it, mostly. My university for once are showing clue by sticking with XP for the time being.
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17:08<bma>(Not many situations where XP is the sensible choice...)
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17:10<matt1606>maybe this question shouldn't be asked here but have any one coped before with the set coverage problem?
17:12<matt1606>I'm dealing with quine-mccluskey algorithm in C++
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17:15<palomer>hello
17:15<palomer>I'm getting a bouncing "input not supported" box going all over my screen
17:15<palomer>otherwise, everything is working dandy
17:15<palomer>oops
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17:27<banana>hello. i have a nasty problem on a debian box, but maybe it's a hardware issue. when i try to do a directory listing on a specific dir. operation fails and i have this message: : res 51/40:00:8f:8e:2d/00:00:00:00:00/e7 Emask 0x9 (media error)
17:27<banana>a lot more things and finish with end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 120426127
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17:29<bma>banana, is the directory on a CD or other removable disk?
17:29<panagos>does anyone know whether linus torvalds made any announcements regarding the recent vmsplice vulnerability in the kernel? if es, where can i find them? :)
17:29<banana>bma, no, on my own sda disk. a SATA hard disk, the main disk
17:29<dondelelcaro>panagos: he signed off on one of the fixes for them
17:30<dondelelcaro>panagos: but the DSA and the CVE have all of the relevant bits
17:31<klando>it look like apt-get source -b foobar build me 32b instead of 64b ... any tips ?
17:32<panagos>dondelelcaro: what is the DSA? :)
17:32<dondelelcaro>klando: if you're running i386, that's what it'll do. If you're running amd64, it'll build 64 bit.
17:32<dondelelcaro>!dsa
17:32<dpkg>[dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers
17:32<banana>bma, looks like hard disk failure right?
17:32<klando>dondelelcaro, I am using i686 but /usr/lib64 exist
17:33<bma>banana, I've only seen "media error" with removable disks, but I guess it'd be a disk failure, yes.
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17:33<banana>ok. i'm doing net backup now :)
17:34<banana>a new sata comes next then!
17:34<banana>thanks.
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17:34<dondelelcaro>klando: that doesn't really matter.
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---Logopened Wed Feb 13 17:53:08 2008
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17:53<witte>matt1606: could be that some wireless stuff for the kernel is changed
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17:54<matt1606>i think no
17:54<matt1606>because this drver uses the same mac80211 subsystem
17:56<witte>can you upload your lspci and the output of the errors to a pastebin
17:56<witte>!pastebin
---Logclosed Wed Feb 13 18:00:04 2008
---Logopened Wed Feb 13 18:00:28 2008
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18:02<witte>matt1606: i think that one of the changes of 2.6.24 is that the iwl stuff is now in the kernel ;-)
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18:02<matt1606>I know
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18:03<matt1606>but the version that is in the kernel is a little bit old
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18:03<matt1606>and I want to compile it with LED patch
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18:07<witte>matt1606: it looks like the problem is in the iwl-3945.h file (line 443), but i do not really know what to do with that...
18:07<matt1606>witte:me too
18:07<witte>matt1606: my c skills are not that good, maybe you can post to somekind of mailinglist?
18:08<matt1606>witte: I just wanted to compile a newer version with LED patch
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18:08<matt1606>witte: I've programmed onli in c++
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18:08<matt1606>*only
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18:10<matt1606>witte: ealrier while compiling on 2.6.22 I've had to link some directories to the source directory but then I knew what is the source of thoseerrors
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18:11<matt1606>witte: just some libraries were missing and now it looks like a internal source error
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18:13<matt1606>witte: so thanks for your time! bye
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18:13<witte>yeah, can't help you
18:14<witte>come back an other time when there are more knowledgeable people here, or ask on the iwl channel (see the iwl webpage) for help
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18:16<matt1606>witte: ok i will do my best
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18:17<klando>is Luigi Gangitano on irc ?
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18:20<shellclear>wiki vmware in debian lenny?
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18:28<aux2aux1>Hmm, could someone help me? I'm having a problem with debian (kernel ver 2.6.18-6-686) crashing. It just randomly becomes unresponsive (can't move mouse, can't enter keys, nothing on screen changes)..
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18:31<fa>aux2aux1, have you tested the memory?
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18:31<aux2aux1>Not sure how, sorry, I'm kind of a noob.
18:31<fa>aux2aux1, memtest86
18:32<fa>aux2aux1, should be an option from the bootlooader for most livecd's
18:32<aux2aux1>Alright, I'll try that.
18:32<fa>aux2aux1, try it extensively, and make sure the ram's speed isn't mismatched.
18:33<dani_>http://irc.telascience.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
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18:34<petemc>aux2aux1: can you kill x with ctl alt backspace when this happens?
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18:35<aux2aux1>I don't think so, I'll try next time it happens.
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18:36<fa>stat64 segfault sometin' sometin'
18:36<petemc>if not, if you have another machine, it can be useful to ssh to the box and run top, check logs etc
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18:37<aux2aux1>ctrl + alt + backspace did nothing.
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18:37<fa>aux2aux1, you hard reset now?
18:37<aux2aux1>Yes.
18:38<fa>aux2aux1, any swollen caps on the mobo?
18:38<aux2aux1>Not that I'm aware of.
18:38<fa>aux2aux1, f00f
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18:39<fa>aux2aux1, voltage issues?
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18:39<fa>aux2aux1, new or old hardware?
18:39<aux2aux1>Old hardware.
18:39<aux2aux1>Asus P4P800 mobo, 2gb ram, radeon 9500
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18:40<fa>aux2aux1, hmmm.
18:40<fa>aux2aux1, cooling.
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18:40<aux2aux1>The two pairs of ram I have run at slightly different timmings, would that matter much?
18:40<bernardo>how can I install totem plugins?
18:40<fa>aux2aux1, my meds don't mix either
18:40<petemc>it might be worth checking some logs before theorizing possible hardware failures
18:40<fa>aux2aux1, for shits and giggles, remove one.
18:41<fa>aux2aux1, see what happens.
18:41<fa>petemc, true.
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19:05<abrizman>Buenas
19:05<abrizman>alguien en espa?ol?
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19:06<abrizman>chateando en XBOX
19:06<abrizman>tengo una pregunta
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19:06<abrizman>podria instalarme firefox en mi xebian?
19:07<alaya>¿que?
19:07<abrizman>creo que la xebian esta basada en sarge
19:07<alaya>pero no es debian
19:07<abrizman>pero no encuentro repositorios para xebian
19:07<alaya>no tengo nunca idea
19:07<abrizman>xebian (debian para xbox)
19:08<alaya>ah
19:08<abrizman>uummmmmmmmm entonces es que eres chica, no?
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19:08<abrizman>alguien con sarge (repositorios sarge) y firefox 2?
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19:09<alaya>!es
19:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:10<abrizman>creo que nos echan por hablar en cristianno
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19:10<abrizman>chat on TV, se ve genial ;)
19:11<abrizman>los anuncios en la tele ahora seran mas entretenidos
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19:21<vsmatck>hmm, my rhythmbox randomly stops playing a song and takes up all my cpu for 10-20 seconds before it skips to the next song. It also crashes when I try to open preferences. I tried deleting .gnome2/rhythmbox and that made no difference. I couldn't find anything exactly like what I got on the bug list. New install of debian stable.
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19:24<vsmatck>I get funky pauses occasionally where my CPU spikes to 100% for a fraction of a second.
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19:25<vsmatck>My totem has also crashed on me a few times. I'm thinking maybe something related to gstreamer.
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19:27<vsmatck>ooh, I just found the debug option. I'm going to see if I see anything there.
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19:33<aux2aux1>Memtest86 seemed to have stoped responding during the test. Removed the oldest pair of ram, will see how it goes I guess..
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19:41<catkilla>anyone know what all to install on debian for eggdrop compile to work? I've tried adding tcllib build-essentials hfsutils-tcltk and i get error ./configure eggdrop that it can't find tcl
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19:42<witte>catkilla: you want to install eggdrop? or you want to use it?
19:43<catkilla>i want to install it compile myself
19:44<catkilla>it compiles fine on slackware but i don't know how to get it working on debian
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19:44<witte>catkilla: it is in debian you know, no need to compile
19:45<catkilla>yeah but i want to be able to compile it myself ;/
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19:45<witte>catkilla: but if you want to compile yourself, you should do "apt-get source eggdrop"
19:46<witte>as root
19:46<witte>and afterwards apt-get build-dep eggdrop
19:46<witte>sorry, the latter as root, the first can as normal user
19:47<witte>and then again as normal user you cd to the downloaded eggdrop* directory
19:47<catkilla>i want to do it like it says on this one > http://www.egghelp.org/setup.htm
19:47<witte>and there you do debuild -uc -us
19:47<catkilla>with ./configure make config make install install
19:48<witte>well, if you at least do apt-get build-dep eggdrop, it will download all the packages that eggdrop needs to build
19:48<catkilla>oooo
19:49<witte>debuild is some kind of ./configure etc (but the debian way)
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19:49<witte>catkilla: btw: just converted from slackware to debian?
19:49<catkilla>no i just found some old computers i been messing with and was using slackware cause couldn't get debian to work
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19:53<catkilla>thanks for that build-dep i did not know that one
19:54<witte>no problem
19:54<fa>aux2aux1, hmm, it was the ram after all.
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19:55<aux2aux1>I think so, thanks for the help.
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19:55<fa>aux2aux1, no sweat, any thing else, just pvt me
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19:59<somae7>how can I find out what /dev is being used for the cdrom?
20:00<fa>somae7, "ls -la /dev/cd*"
20:00<fa>somae7, or dvd*
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20:02<somae7>thanks - but it shows /dev/hdd and /dev/hdc
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20:02<witte>somae7: that is a reasonable result if you have ide disk drives
20:03<fa>somae7, try using the eject command, see which one pops open.
20:04<somae7>it seems that sometimes it uses hdd and other times it uses hdc - I don't know if the software updates are causing it to change
20:05<somae7>but I had a hard time figuring out how to re-setup pktsetup and cdrwtool
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20:06<witte>somae7: you could have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules
20:06<fa>pirc
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20:09<drew>hey
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20:11<acutedeath>lupine_85: are you around?
20:13<lupine_85>um, yes..
20:13<somae7>witte: it lists the cd twice as both ide-1:0 and ide-1:1
20:14<acutedeath>Do you remember talking to me about rt61 wireless netwoking, etc.?
20:14<lupine_85>possibly, vaguely
20:14<witte>somae7: yeah, well that will be the problem, i do not really know the fine details of it, so you should start googling with that term :-)
20:15<acutedeath>Well, you helped me a whole lot, and I was wondering if I could pester you some more on the subject
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20:15<somae7>ok - thanks
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20:16<lupine_85>well, feel free to ask :)
20:16<acutedeath>ok thanks
20:16<acutedeath>I got debian running on a new computer, and it MUST have internet
20:17<acutedeath>But I still can't achieve "lupine_85: the card and the router are talking to each other, then - e.g. OSI layer 2 is established"
20:17*fa takes jot-notes
20:18<lupine_85>right, so you're using the rt61... or the rt61pci driver?
20:18<lupine_85>debian or serialmonkey code? and do you have firmware-ralink installed?
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20:19<acutedeath>rt61pci ; debian package ; yes.
20:19<acutedeath>although it claims not to know what "dhcp" means at the command line :S
20:20<lupine_85>well, that's to be expected. the command-line program would be called dhclient
20:20<lupine_85>not that it matters much if you can't get OSI level 2 going
20:20<acutedeath>DOH
20:20<acutedeath>yeah
20:20<lupine_85>what happens when you do "ifconfig wlan0 up; iwlist wlan0 scan" ?
20:20<lupine_85>(assuming it is wlan0)
20:21<acutedeath>tis
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20:22<acutedeath>I am trying something else from that log: "[lupine_85: first line: "auto wlan0". Second line: "iface wlan0 inet dhcp". Third line: "wireless-essid <my-essid>". fourth line: "wireless-ap <my-ap>"]"
20:23<acutedeath>autoconfig attempt
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20:25<acutedeath>i guess it saves me a few steps toward nothing working
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20:31<acutedeath>lupine_85: I just noticed something on the "iwlist wlan0 scan" output. A line that says "extra:tsf=00000blahblah" Could that possibly be meaningful/ prohibitive?
20:31<lupine_85>nope
20:31<acutedeath>crap
20:32<lupine_85>does it see the AP?
20:32<acutedeath>it does
20:32<lupine_85>essid, mac address and key assigned correctly?
20:33<acutedeath>yeah, no key
20:33<acutedeath>it is open at present
20:33<alaya>so today's app of the day is..... klibido
20:33<lupine_85>do you have mac address restrictions set up on the router? ;)
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20:35<acutedeath>I don't think so... There was an annoying thing that happened when I set up the router. The CD that came with it went missing, so all I can really access is some sort of web-based config util. Maybe I should search around for the router software, if it exists.
20:36<lupine_85>no, that's the usual configuration scenario for routers
20:36<lupine_85>almost all of you let you limit the mac addresses that can be connected to the router
20:37<lupine_85>almost all of them*
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20:37<acutedeath>I don't think it would have such a restriction, but I can't check until I get into again. last time I mucked with it, I found nothing special or promising
20:38<lupine_85>fair enough; we'll assume it's not that. Any error messages in dmesg ?
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20:39<acutedeath>hmm, lets see
20:39<acutedeath>authentication with [MAC] timed out.
20:39<lupine_85>hmm
20:39<acutedeath>THEY HATE EACH OTHER!
20:39<lupine_85>:D
20:39<acutedeath>:)
20:40<lupine_85>try ifconfig wlan0 down; modprobe -r rt61pci; sleep 5; modprobe rt61pci; ifconfig wlan0 up; ...etc....
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20:40<lupine_85>basically, a reset from start
20:41<acutedeath>k, no harm in trying again, but I suspect netgear-linksys rivalry or something
20:42<lupine_85>well, that shouldn't cause problems
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20:42<fa>anyone know of a good app for photo printing, borderless and such.
20:42<lupine_85>if it's a simple timeout problem, iwconfig wlan0 retry might help you out
20:43<lupine_85>I've never actually used it, though, but setting high values would - presumably - help you out
20:45<acutedeath>hm.
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20:45<ubd>hello
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20:46<ubd>xorg couldnt detect screen and didnt star. i tried to fix it via dpkg-rcfg. xserver goes out of sync. how can choose xorg not to start so i can fix it
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20:47<Jessiejames334>hey
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20:47<acutedeath>lupine_85: the timeout issue occurs as soon I set the AP. Should I enter with the colons?
20:47<acutedeath>(I do)
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20:49<lupine_85>yes, with the colons
20:49<lupine_85>you could try a newer revision of the rt61pci code
20:49<acutedeath>I'm getting creative trying to find problems. From serialmonkey perhaps?
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20:49<lupine_85>(i.e. uninstall the debian package; grab the tarball from serialmonkey; build & install that)
20:49<acutedeath>or from unstable?
20:49<lupine_85>straight from source
20:50<acutedeath>heh, I might just have more tech issues that way, but it is a good idea.
20:51<acutedeath>firmware update available for the router
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20:57<acutedeath>OK, what about this: I have a choice of "security options", including "none" and "WEP". Current state is "none". If I set to WEP, it allows me the option of "Open System" for authentication type. But it won't let me skip entering a passphrase. So how is it Open?
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20:59<dkr>acutedeath: you can use a blank passphrase?
20:59<acutedeath>no, it won't allow it.
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21:01<Wi_Fi>hi all
21:01<acutedeath>hmm, it seems like I can update the firmware by >1 versions. I'll give that a whirl.
21:01<Wi_Fi>tryin to install what i thought was netgear pci wireless card
21:01<somae7>I'm looking for a better irc program - I'm using xchat and it doesn't have a cut or paste function
21:02<Wi_Fi>Network controller [0280]: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface [104c:9066]
21:02<Wi_Fi>is this supported guys
21:02<gsimmons>!tell Wi_Fi -about acx100
21:02<Wi_Fi>thnx bud
21:03<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: Out of interest, what Netgear card do you have? WG311v2?
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21:08<gnotett>My debian version is lenny. I have a server runs on port 8000. But i can't connect to it from other machine. Is there any settings required for me?
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21:14<alaya>gnotett: test the connectivity
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21:23<dmg>can some one help e install DEB file ?
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21:24<Supaplex>in theory? yes.
21:24<gnotett>alaya: I got " Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused".
21:24<dmg>Supaplex: how do i do it ?
21:25<Supaplex>use dpkg
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21:27<dmg>!install deb file
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21:27<dmg>how do i ask about deb ?>
21:29<Supaplex>man dpkg? dpkg -i foo.deb for most things.
21:29<dmg>can some one help me install deb file ?
21:30<dmg>Supaplex: if you dont wanna help just dont bother man
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21:30<Supaplex>man dpkg? dpkg -i foo.deb for most things.
21:30<Supaplex>didn't you see dpkg -i ?
21:31<dmg>i dont see any thing
21:31<Supaplex>not my fault if you're selectively blind
21:31<dmg>didnt i see -i?
21:31<dmg>like i know what -i mean
21:32<dmg>if theres no one to help me i'll try later
21:32<Supaplex>I just told you how
21:32<Supaplex>what's the name of the .deb file?
21:33<dmg>file:///home/dmg/Desktop/eve_000066_all.deb
21:33<acutedeat1>dpkg --install yerpkg.deb
21:33<Supaplex>when I say dpkg, I mean the binary in /usr/bin/dpkg
21:33<Supaplex>yes -i and --install are equiv
21:33<Supaplex>so run dpkg -i /home/dmg/Desktop/eve_000066_all.deb as root
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21:34<acutedeat1>does anyone know why ifconfig doesn't allow me to set netmask?
21:35<dmg>Supaplex: Package python2.4-dbus is not installed
21:35<dmg>whats that?
21:36<Supaplex>a dependency
21:36<Supaplex>try dpkg --info /home/dmg/Desktop/eve_000066_all.deb to see what they are
21:37<dmg>what am i looking for ?
21:38<dmg> libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), xlibmesa3 | libgl1, python (>= 2.4), python2.4-dbu s, python-gtk2 (>= 2.6), python-glade2, wget
21:38<Supaplex>Depends:
21:38<Supaplex>yup
21:38<Supaplex>you'll have to install those ala aptitude install
21:38<Supaplex>the | means or
21:38<dmg>i need help to do that
21:39<dmg>i have no clue how to do it
21:39<Supaplex>aptitude install xlibmesa3 python python2.4-dbus python-gtk2 python-glade2 wget
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21:40<dmg>Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security
21:40<dmg>should i say Yes?
21:40<Supaplex>it's up to you
21:40<Supaplex>if you say yes, you assume any and all risk
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21:42<dmg>Supaplex: thx im downloading it
21:43<Supaplex>why didn't cedega support this?
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21:48<dmg>Supaplex: well its 836kb file wich will download and i think install the game
21:48<dmg>deb file
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21:57<blueice>anyone running lenny with evolution and exchange?
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21:58<Winner>:)
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22:03<Winner>wow #ubuntu on freenode has 1100 people
22:03<Winner>thats like over 3 times of here and debian has like that senority on ubuntu
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22:17<Supaplex>Winner: quality > quantity
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22:18<Winner>depends on what you're talking about :D
22:19<abrotman>Winner: #debian on freenode ?
22:19<Winner>billion old dollars > 100 new crisp dollars
22:19<Winner>haha
22:19<Winner>ubuntu
22:19<abrotman>nevermind
22:19<Winner>I was only in ubuntu a second as I don't like it either but was suprised at the userbase
22:21<Winner>considering how old debian is, as the fact ubuntu uses it's base or whatever else yet ubuntu's popularity has exploded versus debians, in terms of time frame and probably overall numbers
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22:22<Winner>I think it's pretty clear theres a key factor in ubuntu the appeals the the masses, that debian lacks, you can argue quality over quanity but more users = better quality
22:22<Winner>more people contributing, testing, promoting etc...
22:23<Winner>and that key factor is extreme "stupid easy" usability that windows users are accustomed to and I wish debian would push more towards
22:23<lupine_85>keyword, unfortunately, is "stupid"
22:23<lupine_85>I'll keep intelligence, ifit's all the same to you
22:23<Winner>it's 2008 everything should be stupid easy, it's the only way to progess forward to more complex things
22:24<lupine_85>nah
22:24<lupine_85>ubuntu can keep the stupid easy and "progress"
22:24<Winner>lupine_85 making things harder isn't intelligent IMO, it's quite the opposite
22:24<abrotman>try talking about ubuntu in #ubuntu .. not here
22:24<lupine_85>I tried to do a gutsy install and configuration recently... numerous techincal problems foxed me. Those problems don't exist on debian
22:24<Winner>abrotman i'm talking about ubuntu and how it relates to debian
22:25<abrotman>Winner: it's still OT here ..
22:25<abrotman>this is a support channel
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22:25<Winner>and with that attitude that's all it's ever gonna be abrotman :(
22:26<abrotman>Winner: that's what this is *supposed* to be
22:26<lupine_85>Winner: if you can simplify and improve debian without breaking things for the technical user, I encourage you to submit patches
22:27<Winner>I doubt the user base would take, you seem very opposed to drastic yet much needed change, because it'll effect what you're accustomed to
22:27<lupine_85>in practice, that's remarkably hard to do
22:27<lupine_85>Winner: I'm all for /improvement/
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22:27<Winner>it's not the 80's or 90's anymore though, so the only way i'd get what's needed in linux is start my own distro
22:27<lupine_85>where improvement is measured in the amount of time it takes me to get a job done
22:28<Winner>and seeing as they're over 1000 as there is
22:28<Winner>i'll pass
22:29<Winner>lupine I could work with a team and release a HIGHLY improve debian distro and I could picture it now
22:29<lupine_85>Name some specific examples of things you would "improve"
22:29<Winner>trolling, personal attacks, and complete refusal from a great deal of the community
22:29<lupine_85>make sure you don't break debian's DFSG
22:30<Winner>first off i'd make posix mandatory and improve upon it abit
22:30<Winner>to make system programming alot easier
22:30<lupine_85>...
22:30<lupine_85>how can you be posix-compliant if you "improve" upon it?
22:30<Winner>see, already you're on the defense
22:31<abrotman>lupine_85: probably best to stop now .. you just can't beat that ...
22:31<lupine_85>I'm pointing out a huge logic flaw
22:31<lupine_85>abrotman: I can beat all sorts of things. Usually with big sticks, but meh :)
22:31<Winner>well it won't be compliant afterwards, but staying compadible with those who refuse change would just hurt my improvments?
22:31<abrotman>Winner: do you have a Debian question or not?
22:31<lupine_85>give specific examples of how your POSIX improvements would be better than GNU's
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22:32<Winner>GetCurrentProcess,GetProcessID
22:32<Winner>etc...apis that are non-existant but should be
22:32<Winner>and various other areas
22:33<Winner>the kde/gnome etc.. debacle is quite annoying too, having to code different for each
22:33<Winner>or use 3rd party stuff like qt
22:33<abrotman>Winner: last chance
22:33<lupine_85>heh
22:33<lupine_85>I love to see people solve things in their head
22:33<Winner>abrotman, go for it big guy, it's obvious you're without, and your life is lacking
22:33<Winner>so abuse away
22:33<abrotman>Winner: go to #linux or #debian-offtopic .. get it out of here
22:33<Winner>i'll give that, my present
22:34<Winner>show me your internet irc powers man
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22:34<acutedeat1>ha
22:34<abrotman>Winner: you've been silenced for 10 minutes.
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22:35<abrotman>or not
22:35<acutedeat1>good stuff
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22:37<dmg>i have a problem with my cd rom , for some reason my computer does not see it
22:38<dmg>any way i can check that in terminal ?
22:38<dmg>or do i need to mount the cd rom ?
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22:39<acutedeat1>it must be mounted one way or another
22:39<abrotman>dmg: whatkind of CD is it ?
22:39<abrotman>data or music?
22:39<dmg>sorry my bad is not cd
22:39<dmg>my cd drive
22:40<abrotman>oh .. it doesn't see your CD drive at all
22:40<abrotman>dmg: look in `dmesg` .. does it show it ?
22:40<dmg>dmesg?
22:40<abrotman>it's a command .. type it
22:40<dmg>where is that ?
22:41<abrotman>just type it
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22:41<dmg>what am i looking for ?
22:41<abrotman>in a terminal .. sorry :)
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22:41<abrotman>dmesg | grep CD
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22:42<dkr>might want grep -i cd in case not all identified with upper case
22:43<dmg>i got hudge list of things
22:43<abrotman>are any of them your drive?
22:43<dmg>what exactly am i looking for ?
22:44<dmg>i dont know the name of my drive it dont realy have a name
22:44<dkr>something like: hdc: SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-252S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
22:44<abrotman>hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
22:44<abrotman>something like tha tmaybe
22:44<abrotman>wow .. i really need a new laptop :)
22:44<dmg>let me check
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22:45<dmg>i only see my Hard drives
22:45<abrotman>dmg: does your BIOS see it ?
22:45<dmg>no
22:45<abrotman>your BIOS doesn't see the CD either ?
22:45<dmg>i check there too
22:45<dmg>no
22:46<abrotman>well .. then debian won't see it .. check your cables/power .. make sure they're all seated ..
22:46<dmg>i did that they are all connected
22:47<dmg>i even tried diff cd drives as well
22:47<dmg>i cant get them to show
22:49<dmg>any thing i can do ?
22:50<abrotman>it really sounds like a hardware problem
22:51<dmg>i can open and close the cd drive
22:51<dmg>its functional
22:51<abrotman>that's just power
22:51<dmg>damn
22:52<dmg>i have no clue what the problem is i tried 3 different ones and they all dont get detected
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22:53<dmg>i didnt know i can start any operating system without cd drive
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22:58<dmg>Make sure that all users have rx permissions
22:58<dmg>how do i check that ?
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22:59<abrotman>the BIOS doesn't see it
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23:06<razed>Hi. I have an SSH server set up on my debian box to get the internet at work. It works just fine, but I tried to let a friend of mine use it from another office. When she tries to connect, it says Host not found. Any suggestions on why that would be happening?
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23:26<alaya>is the wire plugged into the thing?
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23:30<Xenguy>razed: your friend's configuration is incorrect :-)
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