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00:29<krstjan>have someone experiences with vmware and debian kernel?
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01:00<krstjan>how can i see, which version my kernel is?
01:00<kapil>krstjan: uname -a
01:01<krstjan>kapil, thank you
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01:03<Pulpie>anyone know of a wallpaper site that doesn't suck hardcore?
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01:04<pwncore>hello all
01:05<pwncore>anyone home?
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01:05<pwncore>wb gekz_
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01:08<pwncore>can anyone help me with a sound problem?
01:08<pwncore>i'm running alsa on a brand new etch install and getting no sound whatsoever except for the pc speaker
01:08<pwncore>ah, thanks
01:09<Gekz_>on freenode
01:09<kmap>pwncore: Hold on
01:09<kmap>pwncore: What is your sound card?
01:09<kmap>Make, that is...
01:09<pwncore>er i'm on a thinkpad a31, lemme look it up real fast
01:09<kmap>pwncore: lspci may help...
01:09<pwncore>i'm pretty sure it's onboard sound, and the debian-on-a31 page i found said to just use alsa
01:10<kmap>Right, just wanted to make sure...
01:10<pwncore>yeah lemme check
01:10<pwncore>the funny thing is that i was getting sound fine in gnome when i first booted the system up right after installing it acouple days ago
01:10<kmap>Er, is that so? Are you a member of the audio group?
01:10<pwncore>ran it for about 60 hours and at about the 50-hour mark it popped up an error and said sound had failed and it was rerouting sound to /dev/null
01:11<pwncore>as in usergroup on my box?
01:11<kmap>Yes. e.g. you log in as user1
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01:11<kmap>Then as root, adduser user1 audio
01:11<pwncore>btw: Intel Corp 82801CA/CAM AC '97 Audio Controller (rev02)
01:11<kmap>Oh, that's a well known card, as you say
01:11<pwncore>so i can use that command to add my existing user to the audio group
01:12<pwncore>thanks dude, lemme give it a shot
01:12<Gekz_>gpasswd -a user audio
01:12<kmap>Gekz_: Thanks. Didn't know that.
01:12<pwncore>what now?
01:12<kmap>pwncore: WHat did it say?
01:12<pwncore>ah i see
01:12<pwncore>lemme check
01:12<pwncore>it said it added me
01:12<kmap>If it said already a member, then we have to explore
01:12<pwncore>lemme fire up the ol player and see if i'm rocking
01:13<pwncore>no it said it just added me now when i ran gpasswd
01:13<kmap>If it says added, log out of X and login again
01:13<kmap>The change is only upon relogin
01:13<pwncore>i'm in the console actually
01:13<kmap>Or go to a virtual terminal, log in and try
01:13<pwncore>i despise X
01:13<pwncore>so lemme log out on my Designated Music Terminal
01:13<kmap>Then you can go to another one, try logging in and play...
01:13<pwncore>i'm generally using all 6 ttys at once
01:14<kmap>Also, see if you can play as root. That is an indication
01:14<kmap>that the card is fine...
01:14<pwncore>still nada
01:14<pwncore>lemme try as root
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01:15<kmap>Are you sure the right modules have been loaded into the kernel?
01:15<pwncore>it worked fine when i first booted it
01:15<kmap>modprobe hda-intel or intel-hda or whatever..
01:15<pwncore>neither of those two were found though
01:15<kmap>OK, one last shot...
01:15<pwncore>intel-snd-hda ?
01:15<kmap>Try running alsaconf as root
01:15<pwncore>not found
01:16<pwncore>lemme try alsaconf
01:16<kmap>It is in the alsa-utils package, in case you don't possess it already
01:16<pwncore>i do, i'm running it
01:16<pwncore>it automagically found my sound card and i'm configuring it now
01:17<pwncore>it's working
01:17<pwncore>thanks guys
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01:17<pwncore>i should've figured it'd be something as simple as alsaconf
01:17<pwncore>hooray for scripting
01:17<kmap>Now you know, and can help others.
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01:17<kmap>OK, bye for now! Enjoy the music!
01:18<Pulpie>anyone know any good wallpapers
01:18<pwncore>although actually i've been wondering about some other things if youd on't mind
01:18<Pulpie>Im looking for some city wallpapers but not a skyline.
01:18<kmap>pwncore: You can ask, people will answer
01:18<pwncore>i have a dual monitor setup, the lappy's lcd and a sony hdtv monitor
01:18<kmap>I may be away for some time... but I can see it later
01:18<pwncore>i'd like to ideally be able to run a terminal on each, and run one desktop on each in X
01:18<pwncore>Pulpie: i've had a lot of luck finding good city shots on flickr
01:19<Pulpie>ok ill look there
01:19<pwncore>especially from japan
01:19<pwncore>dunno why
01:19<pwncore>anyway i don't know if the dual-tty thing is possible and i'm sure the dual monitor thing in X is possible but i haven't had any luck figuring it out
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01:22<bighornram>How do I find out which USB I'm plugged into? /dev/???
01:26<Aleric>Why is #flood closed for this long?
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01:30<Pulpie>pwncore: i cant find oune
01:31<pwncore>Pulpie: that sucks
01:31<pwncore>if i were in X i would find some for you
01:31<pwncore>i have good luck with that stuff
01:31<pwncore>have you tried deviantart
01:32<pwncore>you can browse by category there, there's like an urban pictures section
01:33<Pulpie>pwncore: yes i tried DA, GI and now flickr
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01:35<pwncore>what *exactly* are you looking for?
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01:36<pwncore>streets? buildings? highrises? tagged walls? skateboarders riding down city rails?
01:37<pwncore>churches? european cobblestone alleyways? college libraries?
01:37<pwncore>maybe think of something that would look cool and search for those tags
01:38<Pulpie>streets, buildings and night
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01:39<Lynoure>pwncore: if a frozen sewer lid is ok with you, I have those on flickr :)
01:40<pwncore>pulpie's the one who's looking, although that does sound kind of cool :D
01:41<Lynoure> might work too, (and some other pics) I meant, but this is probably too macro
01:41<pwncore>btw can anyone help me set up my mouse so i can copy and paste text in the console
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01:42<krstjan>why can´t i install vmware player?!
01:43<Ouroboros>i just installed a base system (no desktop, no standard) and then xorg, gdm and xfce4
01:43<Ouroboros>when i log in gdm, the splash window freezes on window manager, then disappears and there is no window manager
01:43<Ouroboros>any thoughts?
01:43<Lynoure>pwncore: Did you try gpm?
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01:44<Lynoure>pwncore: I have not used it for ages, though...
01:44<pwncore>ah that's the one i forgot what it was called
01:45<pwncore>i don't seem to have it
01:45<Lynoure>Ouroboros: checked your logs for xserver errors?
01:47<Ouroboros>only this error: Screen 0 is not DRI compatible
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01:49<Lynoure>Ouroboros: sounds like something wrong in the configuration. Your card is DRI campatible, at least? what driver are you using?
01:49<pwncore>interesting, gpm seems to only be available in source...been a while since i compiled something (went a couple of years without running *nix), let's see how i do! :D
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01:50<Lynoure>pwncore: weird... gives Filename: pool/main/g/gpm/gpm_1.19.6-25_i386.deb to me
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01:50<Ouroboros>Lynoure: this is vmware display
01:50<pwncore>Lynoure: is that in etch?
01:50<Lynoure>pwncore: did not actually try to install it, no use for me.
01:50<Ouroboros>Lynoure: i think my problem is with xfce4
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01:51<Lynoure>pwncore: yes, in etch
01:51<pwncore>Lynoure: how strange
01:51<pwncore>btw i forgot what command you use to unzip bz2
01:52<pwncore>can anyone remind me...
01:52<Ouroboros>if its also tar, use tar xfvjp, not sure otherwise
01:52<pwncore>xfvjp huh...ok
01:52<Ouroboros>j being bzip2
01:52<Lynoure>Ouroboros: still, just in case check your xserver config for DRI...
01:52<pwncore>oh ok thanks
01:54<Ouroboros>what is DRI for anyway?
01:56<Lynoure>Ouroboros: Direct Rendering Interface or somesuch... If you don't need aiglx, you might do well to disable it in xorg.conf
01:56<pwncore>is there a particular kind of yacc i should have
01:56<Ouroboros>pwncore: bison usually
01:56<Lynoure>Ouroboros: that was aiglx error, wasn't it?
01:56<Ouroboros>Lynoure: correct
01:56<pwncore>Ouroboros: gpm configure script stopped because i didn't have yacc, will that work?
01:56<Ouroboros>pwncore: yeah, it should make a symlink
01:57<pwncore>ok thanks
01:57<Lynoure>Ouroboros: but, however, I'm not sure if fluxbox needs it, I haven't used fluxbox. Worth trying still.
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01:58<Ouroboros>actually wait, why do i need xfce
01:59<Ouroboros>i dont need that if i just want gnome (default setup), correct?
02:00<Lynoure>oh, xfce4, not fluxbox, same answer still. :)
02:00<Ouroboros>i just want the default setup that you get when you install "desktop environment"
02:00<Lynoure>gnome certainly does not require aiglx, by default.
02:01<Ouroboros>not sure what i need to apt-get
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02:01<Lynoure>Me neither, I don't even know what Debian defaults to at the moment... all my current Debians are x-less, and I tend to choose kde for me normally
02:02<pwncore>sweet gpm works, thanks guys
02:02<Ouroboros>Lynoure: do i need gnome-desktop-environment for gnome to work?
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02:03<Lynoure>Ouroboros: that's the whole bundle, if you get that, certainly that's all you'll really need, and actually probably the default. If you want to pick and choose, you can, but unless it's too large for you, go for it
02:04<Lynoure>Easy enough to slim down with deborphan/foster afterwards
02:04<Ouroboros>Lynoure: too big for me right now, 500 MB
02:06<Lynoure>Ouroboros: gnome-core could be enough
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02:08<Ouroboros>ok lets try that
02:10<pwncore>i can't get the system to recognize my usb devices
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02:10<pwncore>during boot i get this msg:
02:10<pwncore>usb 1-1: device not accepting addr 4, error -71
02:11<pwncore>address 5 too and i think some others
02:11<Ouroboros>Lynoure: how do you purge packages marked as "rc" in dpkg
02:12<Lynoure>Ouroboros: normal dpkg --purge packagename fails, which what kind of message?
02:13<Ouroboros>havent tried that, is it possible to execute it for all packages (besides grepping heh)
02:14<Lynoure>Ouroboros: all packages? Why all? Wouldn't you then be better of just reinstalling?
02:14<Ouroboros>Lynoure: i mean all that are already removed... just to recover the space
02:14<pwncore>can anyone help with my usb problem?
02:14<Lynoure>oh, I guess you could do some grep magic, then pipe that to dpkg
02:16<Lynoure>pwncore: maybe not, but lessee... what is that 1-1 device, specifically? and are you using a standard kernel, or your own?
02:17<pwncore>i have a kensington pilotmouse optical pro plugged into one port
02:17<pwncore>and a usb hub plugged into the other
02:17<pwncore>the latter of which doesn't actually have anything plugged in and also doesn't seem to be pulling power, which it does when i have it plugged in in windows
02:17<Ouroboros>pwncore: is the USB device known to work?
02:18<Lynoure>what does you lsusb show?
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02:18<pwncore>Ouroboros: all of them are
02:18<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
02:18<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
02:18<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
02:19<Ouroboros>so looks like debian+gnome in 1 GB is not going to work
02:21<pwncore>Lynoure: any thoughts?
02:21<Lynoure>pwncore: Not yet, just couple of more questions... This has been ever since the installation?
02:21<Ouroboros>pwncore: i've had similar errors before but they were usually due to broken devices or fixed by replugging
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02:22<pwncore>i've tried unplugging, replugging, etc.
02:22<Lynoure>pwncore: and what's the version number of the kernel?
02:22<pwncore>what's the command i run to print the exact number again
02:22<pwncore>(it's been about five years since i ran a linux system until two days ago! :O)
02:23<Lynoure>pwncore: uname -a
02:23<pwncore>2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP
02:23<Lynoure>pwncore: you could also pastebin your lsmod , or just try modprobe -r ehci_hcd for the sport of it
02:23<Ouroboros>pwncore: heh, you are a born-again linuxer
02:23<pwncore>ah no results for that modprobe
02:24<pwncore>what do i do to grabs + installs it
02:24<pwncore>it's been even longer than that since i last installed a kernel module
02:24<Lynoure>pwncore: no result usually mean it ran fine...
02:24<Ouroboros>no results or no errors?
02:24<Lynoure>pwncore: try lsusb now
02:24<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
02:24<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
02:24<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
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02:25<Lynoure>pwncore: then, I guess, pastebin your lsmod
02:25<pwncore>what do you mean by pastebin
02:25<Lynoure>pwncore: use a pastebin service on the web, don't past it here because it's very long
02:25<pwncore>i'm unaware of those
02:25<pwncore>but lemme go google it
02:26<Lynoure> and both usually work well, plenty of others too
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02:26<Ouroboros>do /msg dpkg pastebin
02:26<pwncore>ok hang on
02:28<pwncore>hrm ok how do i find out the address in lynx
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02:29<pwncore>nm got it
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02:29<pwncore>thanks so much for your help btw guys
02:31<Ouroboros>dont thank me, i have no idea whats going on
02:31<pwncore>lol k
02:33<Lynoure>hmm, if you had ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd both earlier, that would certainly do this... did you try replugging your devices after that? then check a) if they work or b) if you'll have ehci_hcd again
02:33<Lynoure>pwncore: if b), then certainly could try adding ehci_hcd to /etc/hotplug/blacklist for the next reboot.
02:34<Lynoure>I'm not a usb guru either, but had my share of trouble back then.
02:34<pwncore>so wait
02:34*Lynoure rejects all guruness, gurus are often ugly old men =)
02:35<pwncore>you just create a file at /etc/hotplug/blacklist and type in "ehci_hcd"?
02:35<Ouroboros>does hotplug still exist? i thought udev did it all now
02:36<Lynoure>Ouroboros: that file certainly seems to, and udev ought to have a blacklist somewhere... if you know it is somewhere else, information is appreciated. If that one does not get used, we'll notice that soon.
02:37<Ouroboros>Lynoure: no idea about this, i knew like 1% back in the hotplug days, but totally lost with udev
02:37<Lynoure>I guess I could look the details up, but really, for non-paid work on Sunday morning, outside my fave field... näh, let someone else google
02:38<Ouroboros>whats your field
02:38<Lynoure>I know at worst this will be harmless, that's enough
02:38<pwncore>so i do actually just create a file at /etc/hotplug/blacklist and type in "ehci_hcd"?
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02:39<Lynoure>Ouroboros: I like clueing services together, and anything security related. The latter being stuff I'll happily work on for hours, on day off, for free, currently. :) (but see about the non-guruness)
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02:40<Lynoure>pwncore: oh, if you don't have it... But, that's the principle.
02:40<Lynoure>At worst it will be not read by anything. :)
02:40<pwncore>is there some module i should try to install otherwise
02:41<pwncore>or anywhere you recommend i go to find an answer somewhere, i'm not having much luck finding anything on the interweb
02:41<Lynoure>pwncore: udev blacklist ought to give you something related
02:42<Ouroboros>pwncore: try this:
02:42<Lynoure>Ouroboros: workwise I do pretty much all thing Linux related (except driver development), for small companies. Mostly setting things up, troubleshooting and the kind
02:43<pwncore>Ouroboros: thanks
02:43<Ouroboros>Lynoure: cool, i do mostly hardware stuff (FPGAs etc), but a little driver development as well
02:43<pwncore>so actually having ehci_hcd itself is causing my problem...?
02:44<Lynoure>I cannot find rc.conf at all on my debian
02:44<pwncore>me neither, Lynoure
02:44<Ouroboros>thats true
02:44<Lynoure>might be a difference to archlinux
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02:44<pwncore>rc.conf sounds like a pretty standard file though
02:45<Lynoure>pwncore: echi_hcd and uchi_hcd at least used to be exclusive... either/or, not both
02:45<Ouroboros>pwncore: not on debian
02:46<Ouroboros>pwncore: try this page:
02:46<pwncore>i actually just found that myself =D thanks tho
02:47<Lynoure>Ouroboros: Hardware geeks are in big demand in Finland currently, but my diodes always die on me =)
02:47<pwncore>wtf i can't find *udev* in /etc/rc2.d
02:48<Pulpie>pwncore: im looking for a wallpaper like but not blury
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02:48<Ouroboros>Lynoure: thats cause you keep putting them in backwards
02:48<Pulpie>pwncore: do u know of any?
02:48<pwncore>Pulpie: i wouldn't offhand but i can download it, take a look and see if anything comes to mind
02:48<pwncore>actually i don't think it'll work in lynx
02:49<Ouroboros>Lynoure: actually its really fun to plug those little black diodes straight into the mains (but wear safety glasses)
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02:49<Pulpie>well let me just tell you
02:50<Pulpie>its like a busy downtown cross street in japan... theres people all around with lot of lights
02:50<Pulpie>but all the people are blurred to all hell
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02:51<pwncore>oh i got it to work, lemme dl it
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02:52<Lynoure>Ouroboros: I know I sometimes did... and more so because I've often accepted diodes others have used (and plugged in backwards...) a found diode by default is a dead diode
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02:55<Pulpie>that would be good if it wasn't so small
02:56<Pulpie>what is that type of photo called
02:56<Pulpie>its called something but i cant remember
02:56<pwncore>oh wow that didn't work
02:56<pwncore>it'll take some copy-fu to put that back together
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03:00<Pulpie>ninja copy skills failed me
03:00<pwncore>this is inside, but you might find it interesting:
03:02<Pulpie>meh, I have had a lot of wallpapers, best are always outside for me... or i feel like my creative juice is like... cramped >.<
03:04<Lynoure>Pulpie: if everything else fails, some stockphoto site might have that
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03:06<pwncore>what was the name of that module... ehcp_???
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03:09<pwncore>ok recreating my initrd, hopefully this'll work on next boot
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03:11<pwncore>woah! my usb mouse is drawing power!
03:11<pwncore>but it doesn't work in gpm
03:11<pwncore>that's so weird
03:11<pwncore>going into x to give it a spin, brb
03:13<pwncore>ok, doesn't work in x or console, any ideas?
03:13<pwncore>i also have a clit mouse that's working right now btw, do i have to disable that somehow?
03:13<Ouroboros>pwncore: long cat is long
03:13<pwncore>Ouroboros: i suspect there's nothing we can do about that
03:14<Ouroboros>pwncore: also, the proper term is "TrackPoint (tm) style pointer"
03:14<pwncore>Ouroboros: you misspelled "clit mouse"
03:16<suiside>pwncore: this discussion isn't *THAT* casual =P
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03:17<pwncore>is "nipple mouse" ok?
03:18<Ouroboros>yes i think we can compromise on that :)
03:18<pwncore>works for me
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03:19<Ouroboros>pwncore: do you have the USB mouse in your xorg.conf?
03:20<pwncore>i'll pry that file open. can i just enable both
03:20<Ouroboros>not sure
03:20<Ouroboros>maybe if you just specify both lines
03:21<Ouroboros>i think that would probably work
03:23<Lynoure>There are just too many 'proper names' for that kind of mouse :)
03:24<Lynoure>pointstick seemed to be one of the most common ones, when I was looking for a laptop some years back. I think it's because TrackPoint was registered trademark, or something
03:25<Ouroboros>never heard that one beofre
03:25<pwncore>me neither
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03:26<Lynoure>took me about 1 month to find, that term :)
03:26<pwncore>my xorg.conf has both "Configured Mouse" and "Synaptics Touchpad"
03:26<Lynoure>Not constant googling, of course :)
03:27<Ouroboros>pwncore: well touchpad isnt the trackpoint is it?
03:27<pwncore>hrm: configure-trackpoint: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
03:27<pwncore>Ouroboros: what else can it be?
03:27<pwncore>i've also seen the name "synaptics" on websites about the thinkpad touchpad
03:27<Ouroboros>pwncore: maybe you have a touchpad also
03:27<pwncore>i don't have one of those things you roll your fingers around on, no
03:27<pwncore>i hate those
03:28<Ouroboros>pwncore: hehe, nice error
03:28<pwncore>what am i to do
03:28<Ouroboros>pwncore: google search will reveal plenty of people with the same error, i never did figure out how to fix it though
03:29<pwncore>ok what about the xorg.conf? should i pastebin those settings?
03:29<Ouroboros>sure why not
03:29<pwncore>ok thanks, hang on just a sec
03:30<fpiat>pwncore, what thinkpad do you have ?
03:30<pwncore>fpiat: a31
03:30<Pulpie>damnit i cant find one
03:30<Ouroboros>pwncore: i wonder if you have the touchpad hardware but not the actual touchpad
03:31<pwncore>Ouroboros: it's certainly possible
03:31<Ouroboros>pwncore: since plenty of thinkpads come with it
03:31<Lynoure>Confused now... what was the problem? Your mouse works now in gpm but not in x?
03:31<pwncore>although i fixed the gpm.conf in the way suggested on a debian doc
03:31<fpiat>Ouroboros, That's the kind of Thing IBM does sametime (some model has it, some model don't)
03:31<pwncore>i guess i should pwn it dead and restart it
03:31<pwncore>fpiat: well it's a good thing, cause i hate touchpads
03:31<Lynoure>pwncore: did you start gpm?
03:31<pwncore>it's been running for a while
03:31<pwncore>my nipple mouse works and my usb doesn't
03:31<pwncore>hang on
03:31<Lynoure>pwncore: sorry, have to ask basic things, just in case :)
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03:32<pwncore>tha'ts ok
03:32<pwncore>ok, now neither one works
03:32<pwncore>lemme change my gpm back ...
03:33<Ouroboros>all rite, night guys
03:33<Ouroboros>i'll be back for more tomorrow
03:33<pwncore>ok thanks
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03:33<pwncore>wait, Lynoure, this is what they told me to put in my gpm.conf:
03:34<pwncore>nevermind, i changed it back and now it's not working at all, again!
03:34<Lynoure>pwncore: is probably what you found?
03:35<pwncore>similar, yes
03:35<pwncore>same code for gpm.conf
03:35<pwncore>to run both trackpoint and usb mouse
03:35<fpiat>pwncore, mine reads "device=/dev/input/mice"
03:35<pwncore>your gpm?
03:36<Lynoure>yup, /dev/psaux sounds ps/2 mousey for me
03:36<pwncore>Lynoure: me too
03:36<pwncore>fpiat: that's what mine said
03:36<pwncore>the ni changed it to what they recommended and it broke it
03:36<pwncore>then i changed it back and it's still borked
03:36<pwncore>fpiat: but both trackpoint and external mouse work for you?
03:36<fpiat>pwncore, yes (t60)
03:37<pwncore>can you paste me the whole block
03:37<pwncore>por favor
03:37<pwncore>all this borkage fills my heart with sadness
03:37<fpiat>pwncore, I think /dev/input/mice is a virtual, aggregate of mice
03:37<pwncore>can you still paste the whole block? because in my gpm.conf it says type=exps2
03:39<fpiat>pwncore, trackpoint use PS2 protocol, which is weak : if your make a configuration mistake and the mouse goes mad, you probably have to reboot to reset the PS2 controller/hardware.
03:39<pwncore>actually both mice are just not working at all
03:39<pwncore>although my usb mouse is pulling power
03:39<fpiat>pwncore, my report
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03:41<pwncore>thanks, lemme check i tout
03:41<pwncore>oh so you are using a touchpad
03:41<pwncore>not a trackpoint
03:41<fpiat>pwncore, I have both + usb mouse
03:41<pwncore>btw i used dpkg configure gpm and put in all the default settings and i'm back to the trackpoint working and no usb
03:41<pwncore>ok thanks
03:43<fpiat>pwncore, if it use /dev/psaux the USB mouse can't be handled (!)
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03:43<pwncore>how can i tell
03:43<pwncore>well it's using /dev/input/mice
03:44<fpiat>pwncore, my understanding is that we now have to figure out why TPoint events don't go to /dev/input/mice
03:45<pwncore>they do, the trackpoint works just fine
03:45<pwncore>the usb doesn't
03:45<fpiat>pwncore, ok
03:46<pwncore>ok so my trackpoint configuration looks the same as yours now in
03:46<pwncore>but why should that recognize your usb mouse too but not mine
03:47<pwncore>is there some way i can force the usb mouse to feed /dev/input/mice
03:47<fpiat>pwncore, I'm googling..
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03:49<fpiat>pwncore, have you tried that workaround : (at the bottom) ?
03:50<pwncore>i'm checking it out now
03:53<fpiat>pwncore, did your usb mouse worked with either gpm or X ?
03:53<pwncore>ok on that page he has it working for both a usb mouse and a touchpad
03:53<pwncore>my trackpoint already works and it looks exactly like his usb mouse entry
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03:54<pwncore>so should i duplicate it and add it as another device, or is my problem with teh mouse not sending events to /dev/input/mice
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03:55<fpiat>pwncore, What if you add /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB-PS.2_Optical_Mouse-mouse (or similar) as the second device ?
03:56<pwncore>ls: /dev/input/by-id: No such file or directory
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03:57<fpiat>pwncore, sorry, probably Debian/Testing stuffs... use /dev/mouse[0-9]
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03:58<pwncore>i only have /dev/mouse
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03:58<pwncore>brb trying something
03:59<fpiat>pwncore, don't you have /dev/input folder ?
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03:59<fpiat>pwncore, do you have your USB mouse in /proc/bus/input/devices
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03:59<pwncore>ls /dev/input: by-path event0 event1 event2 mice mouse0 ts0
03:59<zepard>good moring people
04:00<pwncore>fpiat: no idea :(
04:00<pwncore>i have both a /proc/bus/input/devices and a /proc/bus/usb/devices
04:00<pwncore>good morning zepard
04:00<fpiat>pwncore, to be recognized as an Input, it should be in /proc/bus/input/devices, but you can check both
04:01<fpiat>Hi zepard
04:02<zepard>what is the common way to do when need to patch server's kernel, in case of critical server
04:03<pwncore>fpiat: check? like just look at the files?
04:03<pwncore>ok input has my trackpoint but not my usb mouse
04:03<pwncore>usb just has my controller four times
04:04<fpiat>pwncore, It's seems that's where your problem lies...
04:04<pwncore>how do i fix it?
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04:05<fpiat>pwncore, what's in lsusb
04:05<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:05<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:05<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:07<fpiat>pwncore, sorry, wrong question... what about "lsmod | grep usb" and
04:07<pwncore>usbcore 112644 2 uhci_hcd
04:07<pwncore>but i know ehci or whatever also runs apparently, or that's what someone else determined earlier anyway
04:08<Gekz_>is it just me or is the australian server down
04:09<fpiat>pwn i don't know the module name for 2.6.15.... try "modprobe usbhid"
04:09<pwncore>dimsdale:/home/aaron# modprobe usbhid
04:09<pwncore>usbcore: registered new driver hiddev
04:09<pwncore>usbcore: registered new driver usbhid
04:09<pwncore>drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
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04:09<pwncore>sorry guys
04:10<pwncore>one too many lines there i guess
04:10<fpiat>pwncore, "usbcore: registered new driver hidhid" great !!
04:10<pwncore>ok cool
04:10<pwncore>what do i do now
04:10<fpiat>pwncore, ...use pastebin...
04:10<pwncore>ok i will next time
04:10<fpiat>pwncore, try your mouse ;) ...
04:10<pwncore>no worky
04:11<pwncore>should i restart gpm or something
04:11<fpiat>pwncore, do you have your USB mouse in /proc/bus/input/devices
04:11<fpiat>pwncore, I'm not sure
04:12<fpiat>pwncore, hold on, I'm stupid...
04:12<pwncore>i killed gpm and started it again a couple of times
04:12<pwncore>the cursor wouldn't work but sometimes if i waggled one or both mice it'd select hafl the screen or the whole thing
04:12<fpiat>pwncore, If you don't see your mouse in lsusb, that's where your problem is.
04:13<pwncore>i wish gpm worked again..
04:13<pwncore>i got it to work last time by running dpkg --configure gpm but it won't let me configure anymore
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04:13<fpiat>pwncore, "screen selection" problem is usually a protocol problem.
04:14<pwncore>my lsusb looks the same as before btwq
04:14<fpiat>try stopping gpm, then "rmmod psmouse", then reload both
04:14<pwncore>how do i reload psmouse
04:15<fpiat>rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse
04:16<pwncore>ok it's probinga nd it said ibm trackpoint...waiting
04:16<fpiat>if it doesn't work... well see ma post about ps2 hardware... and reboot ;)
04:16<pwncore>it got to "input: TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint as /class/input/input3" and then it hasn't done anything since
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04:18<fpiat>pwncore, has the command terminated ?
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04:19<pwncore>no, that's hwat i mean, it hasn't
04:19<pwncore>i gave it the ol' ^C and then killed gpm again and modprobed the thing again
04:19<pwncore>and it did the same thing but with input4, sitll hasn't terminated the cmd
04:19<fpiat>pwncore, Choose : Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Alt-Del ;)
04:20<fpiat>pwncore, ... so let's go for second choice ;)
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04:24<kharn>anyone available to help a n00b with a couple of questions (Hard drive related)
04:25<fpiat>kharn, just ask.
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04:28<kharn>I just installed several hard drives on my debian box (v4 stable), and they come up in the gui with correct drive labels, i get the error "you do not have the neccessary permission to view the contents of "disks-conf-hdc1"" the drives are NTFS.
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04:30<kharn>on a further note .. I am an absolute linux n00b .. so i *may* not have tried something completely obvious
04:30<pwncore>hi hi
04:30<fpiat>pwncore, hi
04:30<pwncore>trackpoint works, usb mouse does not
04:30<fpiat>pwncore, does it show up in lsusb ?
04:31<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:31<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:31<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
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04:31<fpiat>pwncore, can you try to plug it in another usb port, and try another usb device in any usb port ?
04:32<pwncore>actually something has changed
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04:32<pwncore>the usb mouse isn't pulling power anymore
04:32<pwncore>i have a usb hub in the other usb port, and an mp3 player connected to that
04:32<pwncore>that doesn't seem to be pulling power either and i don't know how to see if it recognizes it
04:33<fpiat>kharn, can you open /etc/fstab in a text editor, and see if you have a line with that device (or any NTFS )
04:33<fpiat>pwncore, just lsusb
04:34<pwncore>same output as before
04:34<pwncore>ok lemme plug the mp3 player directly into the docking station and switch the things
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04:34<fpiat>pwncore, lsusb is is just an enumeration of usb devices... it doesn't means a module is loaded.
04:35<pwncore>now they both seem to be drawing power, sort of
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04:35<kharn>fpiat : no I see no mention of it
04:35<pwncore>the mp3 player, when it's plugged in in windows, will charge up and have a screen that says connecting
04:35<pwncore>right now it's just lit up and...oh it's charging too
04:35<pwncore>but no "connected"
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04:39<ifvoid>pwncore: have you loaded massstorage?
04:39<pwncore>never even heard of it
04:39<ifvoid>try modprobe usb_storage
04:39<fpiat>pwncore, does your disk appear in lsusb ?
04:39<pwncore>Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
04:39<pwncore>usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
04:39<pwncore>USB Mass Storage support registered.
04:39<pwncore>lsusb still says the same thing though
04:40<ifvoid>pwncore: now dmesg should also say somethign about recognizing your device
04:40<ifvoid>if it is a nice generic mass-storage device, that is
04:40<pwncore>well it's an mp3 player
04:40<pwncore>dmesg does say that though
04:41<pwncore>same thing
04:41<simonrvn>try replugging it
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04:41<ifvoid>what exactly does it say when you replug it?
04:41<fpiat>kharn, is it built-in or USB ?
04:41<pwncore>no difference
04:42<pwncore>what does what say?
04:42<pwncore>dmesg and lsusb say the same thing and the mp3 player isn't acting differently
04:42<ifvoid>when you replug it
04:43<kharn>fpiat, IDE
04:43<ifvoid>pwncore: oh, I just woke up, haven't seen teh output before
04:43<kharn>fpiat , so yeh, built in
04:43<ifvoid>pwncore: what brand is it, btw?
04:43<pwncore>it's a um wtf is it called
04:43<fpiat>pwncore, can you connect directly to the laptop, not to the docking station?
04:43<pwncore>sandisk thing
04:43<ifvoid>that's definately just mass-storage then
04:43<pwncore>:( i like my docking station
04:43<pwncore>i also don't know where my ac adapter is...
04:44<ifvoid>pwncore: that shouldn't matter
04:44<ifvoid>if lsusb show it, it should work, regardless of where it is plugged in
04:44<pwncore>this is what it says in lsusb
04:44<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:44<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:44<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:44<simonrvn>so do you have sd_mod loaded too?
04:44<simonrvn>ah nm
04:44<pwncore>this is what it says at the end of dmesg
04:44<ifvoid>pwncore: have you set the device to "USB mode"
04:44<pwncore>Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
04:44<pwncore>usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
04:44<pwncore>USB Mass Storage support registered.
04:45<ifvoid>like described therE?
04:45<pwncore>haven't seen that, thanks, lemme check it out
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04:45<fpiat>ifvoid, pwncore is to get his USB (mouse, HD) to work.
04:46<fpiat>ifvoid, pwncore's problem is to get his USB (mouse, HD) to work.
04:46<pwncore>mouse and usb hub actually
04:46<pwncore>but i'd like to get the mp3 player working eventually anyway
04:46<pwncore>btw fpiat are you in flanders
04:46<ifvoid>fpiat: ah, I just saw his problem about the mp3 player
04:46<pwncore>ifvoid: lemme catch you up. i have a thinkpad a31 with a trackpoint and an external usb mouse
04:47<pwncore>the trackpoint works in gpm and x
04:47<pwncore>the usb mouse works in neither
04:47<fpiat>pwncore, ... in Paris
04:47<ifvoid>that's weird
04:47<pwncore>fpiat: really? your whois seems to think you're in belgium
04:47<ifvoid>usb mice usually require no instalaltion at all
04:47<ifvoid>you you mean that it's not detected, or that is doesn't do anything in X?
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04:47<pwncore>ifvoid: it doesn't do anything in X or gdm
04:48<ifvoid>does the mouse turn on if you plug it in?
04:48<pwncore>right now it is on
04:48<fpiat>pwncore, I just bought a .be domain while .fr wasn't available for citizens
04:48<pwncore>.fr wasn't available for citizens?
04:48<pwncore>that's odd
04:48<ifvoid>that usually means it's detected and everything
04:48<ifvoid>so it's probably you X config that is broken
04:48<pwncore>that's the thing
04:48<pwncore>my X config and my gdm config look just like fpiat's
04:49<fpiat>pwncore, a few years ago, it was only available to companies, association, etc.
04:49<pwncore>and he has the same setup plus a trackpad and it all works
04:49<pwncore>fpiat: that
04:49<pwncore>fpiat: that's so fascist
04:49<ifvoid>pwncore: can you paste the entire output of lspci and lsmod on please?
04:49<fpiat>pwncore, I think they wanted to avoid sybersquatting at that time
04:50<kharn>fpiat, I am guessing from your previous comments, that allthough the drives are showing on the desktop, they are not actually there?
04:50<kharn>and i need to mount them properly?
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04:50<fpiat>kharn, I searching for a good pointer..
04:50<kharn>ahh cool
04:50<kharn>thank you
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04:51<ifvoid>pwncore: uh, sorry make that lsusb instead of lspci
04:51<OldSmurf>NTFS drives is usually not writeable
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04:51<OldSmurf>kharn: Do you need to access whats on them or can you reformat them?
04:51<kharn>well whilst you do that ... my second issue... I installed a PCI IDE Controller card, and have two drives attached to it... however, they are not seen and nor is the card.. how do i get it noticed
04:51<kharn>OldSmurf, i need to access them
04:51<kharn>and not lose current data
04:52<ifvoid>kharn: what card is it?
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04:52<pwncore>kharn: you can access ntfs from the System Rescue CD livecd distro or the Ubuntu Live cd
04:52<kharn>generic ata-133 controller card
04:52<kharn>pwncore, running debian
04:52<ifvoid>pwncore: and could you try "cat /dev/input/mice" ?
04:52<ifvoid>pwncore: moving the mouse should output crap to the screen
04:53<kharn>pwncore, or should I just be using "apt-get ntfs" or something?
04:53<pwncore>kharn: wouldn't know about that
04:53<fpiat>OldSmurf, can you help kharn... i don't use NTFS
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04:53<pwncore>kharn: but you can download an iso of ubuntu desktop and that's a livecd you can boot into a desktop with
04:53<OldSmurf>fpiat: Me neither :)
04:53<pwncore>and you can edit ntfs safely from there
04:53<ifvoid>pwncore: what about lsusb?
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04:54<kharn>pwncore, ahh i see ..
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04:54<OldSmurf>kharn: It should be no issue to read data from a NTFS partition, but I have never tried to write data to such partition from Linux
04:54<pwncore>ifvoid: cat /dev/input/mice put crap in the screen when i moved my trackpoint, but not my usb mouse
04:54<pwncore>lsusb output is:
04:54<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:54<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:54<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
04:54<ifvoid>pwncore: very weird
04:55<fpiat>kharn, can you run the command "mount | grep disks-conf-hdc1" and give me the output
04:55<pwncore>btw i have a kensington pilotmouse
04:55<ifvoid>pwncore: and the mous eis connected to the docking stations?
04:55<kharn>OldSmurf, i can backup the data on there .. format locally and transfer the data back ... if i have to ...
04:55<ifvoid>and other stuff in the docking station works?
04:55<ifvoid>pwncore: also usb?
04:55<pwncore>my network connection is through there
04:55<pwncore>not to mention acpi
04:55<pwncore>well my usb mouse and mp3 player are both drawing power
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04:55<pwncore>i guess i can undock and try it that way but i'll go offline
04:55<kharn>fpiat /dev/hdc1 on /tmp/disks-conf-hdc1 type ntfs (rw)
04:56<pwncore>is there anything else i should try first
04:56<OldSmurf>kharn: What do you intend to do with the disks? Setup a fileserver?
04:56<kharn>OldSmurf : exactly
04:56<fpiat>kharn, so, go to menu Application > Accessory > Root terminal
04:57<kharn>OldSmurf and i want to learn to use linux :)
04:57<OldSmurf>kharn: :)
04:57<kharn>fpiat done
04:57<ifvoid>pwncore: it almost seems like the USB hub inside the docking statins isn't properly detected or so
04:57<pwncore>oh btw i also have a monitor plugged into the docking station and that works
04:57<OldSmurf>kharn: Then I would backup the data, format the drives with the filesystem ext3 and transfer the data back
04:57<pwncore>ok i will undock it and try it and report back
04:57<fpiat>kharn, from it, "gedit /etc/fstab"
04:57<pwncore>is there anything i should do before undocking so linux doesn't flip out
04:58<pwncore>or is that not a problem
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04:58<fpiat>pwncore, it depends on the docking station. same as Windows.
04:58<pwncore>windows gets angry when i do it
04:59<kharn>fpiat, yup
04:59<fpiat>pwncore, run sync before ejecting, and make a test ;)
04:59<pwncore>what do you mean by "make a test"
04:59<fpiat>kharn, fstab contains the list of mounts...
04:59<fpiat>kharn, at the bottom of th file, add :
04:59<pwncore>just have a stab at it
04:59<pwncore>ok imma give it a shot
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05:00<ifvoid>it seems these docking stations have a separate PCI interface
05:01<ifvoid>so it might be his USB controllor is not recognised
05:01<fpiat>/dev/hdc1 /mnt/MyDisk ntfs auto,rw,users,mask=000 0 0
05:02<fpiat>kharn, you will also have to create the mountpoint, with "mkdir /mnt/MyDisk" (pick your prefered name here ;)
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05:03<pwncore>i can't undock it
05:03<pwncore>lol, i don't have the key to the docking station
05:03<pwncore>in other words, i am pwned
05:03<zambba>What is the most brutal way of getting rid of a process without shutting down the computer? I've got one process which can't be killed even with kill -9.
05:03<ifvoid>which of the docking stations it is?
05:03<pwncore>it's an ibm thinkpad a31
05:03<pwncore>so whatever goes with that
05:03<fpiat>pwncore, does laptop have it's own usb port accessible ?
05:03<ifvoid>there are several different ones
05:04<kharn>fpiat, ok done and done
05:04<pwncore>the usb ports rae right behind the dock
05:05<pwncore>and i really have no idea what the docking station is called
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05:05<fpiat>so, now run umount /tmp/disks-conf-hdc1
05:05<fpiat>then "mount /mnt/MyDisk"
05:06<pwncore>this is depressing. i hope i can get a key to the docking station
05:06<pwncore>not that it will help if i have to run linux undocked
05:06<pwncore>i wish there were some way around this
05:06<fpiat>pwncore, the FRU or "P/N" is written on the sticken (under it)
05:06<ifvoid>pwncore: ah
05:06<pwncore>fpiat: i can't get to it without flipping the whole thing over
05:06<ifvoid>pwncore: it seems you might need to do somethign sepcial to enable the docking station
05:06<pwncore>honestly i don't know what it will do whe ni close the lid
05:06<pwncore>but i'll try it in a sec
05:07<kharn>errored out
05:07<kharn>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,
05:07<kharn> missing codepage or other error
05:07<kharn> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
05:07<kharn>dmesg tail or so
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05:08<OldSmurf>zambba: Is it a zombie process you want to kill?
05:08<ifvoid>pwncore: can you check if the ibm_acpi module is loaded?
05:08<ifvoid>pwncore: and if it's not, modprobe it
05:08<pwncore>ifvoid: lsmod ibm_acpi right?
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05:08<ifvoid>lsmod|grep ibm_acpi
05:08<zambba>I'm not quite sure if it is a zombie process. the ps aux row for it: sasha 2489 51.3 0.0 0 0 ? Rs Feb08 6397:53 [screen]
05:08<ifvoid>try loading it
05:09<pwncore>oops i wasn't root
05:09<pwncore>ibm_acpi: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras v0.12a
05:09<ifvoid>now try cat /proc/acpi/ibm/dock
05:09<kharn>thx pwncore
05:09<pwncore>np kharn
05:09<pwncore>cat: /proc/acpi/ibm/dock: No such file or directory
05:09<OldSmurf>zambba: You can't reattach to that screen?
05:09<ifvoid>now that's weird
05:09<zambba>no, I can't
05:10<kharn>I think I will go with the backup, reformat idea ...
05:10<ifvoid>pwncore: do you have a /proc/acpi/ibm?
05:10<OldSmurf>zambba: screen -wipe?
05:10<pwncore>dimsdale:/home/aaron# ls /proc/acpi/ibm
05:10<pwncore>bay bluetooth cmos ecdump hotkey light video wan
05:10<pwncore>beep brightness driver fan led thermal volume
05:10<zambba>It does nothing
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05:10<zambba>The syslogd and klogd processes are killing the other CPU.
05:10<ifvoid>pwncore: ah, and what's in the bay directory?
05:11<zambba>So that screen, syslogd and klogd are using 200% of CPU:s in top.
05:11<pwncore>dimsdale:/home/aaron# less /proc/acpi/ibm/bay
05:11<pwncore>status: occupied
05:11<pwncore>status2: occupied
05:11<pwncore>commands: eject, eject2
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05:11<pwncore>d'oh i did it again
05:11<pwncore>sorry guys
05:11<ifvoid>then it should work, I'd guess
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05:11<fpiat>kharn, does "fdisk -l | grep NTFS" list the partition hdc1 ?
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05:12<zambba>well, dmesg is full of this: release_dev: ptm3: read/write wait queue active!
05:12<pwncore>well everything else in the dock and the special ibm keys were working before
05:12<kharn>fpiat yes, it lists the two NTFS drives
05:12<OldSmurf>zambba: Strange
05:12<fpiat>kharn, and one of them is hdc1 ?
05:13<kharn>fpiat, yes .. hdc1 and hdd1
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05:13<fpiat>kharn, can you pastbin "dmesg | tail"
05:15<fpiat>kharn, "Unrecognized mount option mask."
05:15<fpiat>kharn, oups... my fault
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05:15<fpiat>/dev/hdc1 /mnt/MyDisk ntfs auto,rw,users,umask=000 0 0
05:16<kharn>in fstab?
05:16<fpiat>kharn, I forgot the "u" of umask.
05:16<fpiat>kharn, yes, just add the "u"
05:17<zambba>aww, maybe I should just reboot
05:17<fpiat>kharn, then run the mount command again.
05:18<kharn> /cheer!
05:18<kharn>i can now read the drive
05:18<kharn>thank you very much ...
05:19<fpiat>kharn, FYI, for removable disk, there must be a way to do it automatically, but I don't know how...
05:19<pwncore>sigh i'm giving up for the night
05:19<fpiat>kharn, your welcome.
05:19<pwncore>thanks for your help everyone
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05:20<fpiat>pwncore, I hope you'll get it working.
05:20<pwncore>good night all
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05:22<kharn>fpiat, its going to be fixed to this box now so all good
05:22<kharn>fpiat, that will automount now
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05:24<OldSmurf>kharn: Yes
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05:24<kharn>yay for #debian
05:24<OldSmurf>kharn: If you don't want to automount, use noauto instead in /etc/fstab :)
05:25<kharn>cool cool ty :)
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05:25<pwncore>my mp3 player automatically turned off after a while and i got this:
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05:26<pwncore>i turned it back on and got nothing
05:26<pwncore>and btw now my usb mouse isn't pulling power anymore
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05:27<pwncore>any thoughts?
05:27<kharn>thanks a lot everyone that helped... im off to play with my new found knowledge...
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05:27<kharn>and probably break a few things aswell
05:27<pwncore>have fun kharn, these guys are pros :D
05:28<OldSmurf>kharn: Welcome back to help another user later :)
05:28<pwncore>well breaking things is half the fun
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05:28<OldSmurf>If you don't brake it you will never learn how to fix it
05:28<OldSmurf>break even
05:28<pwncore>so has anyone taken a look at my pastebin? btw that's the same stuff it says during the boot process
05:28<kharn>actually .. im about to install a virgin drive, i just use "mkfs.ext3 /dev/X" yeh?
05:28<pwncore>kharn, don't drop it too hard or you'll break its cherry
05:29<OldSmurf>kharn: You may need to partition it first
05:29<pwncore>but i would use fdisk
05:29<pwncore>to partition it up
05:29<pwncore>like OldSmurf said
05:29<kharn>ill google this up methinks :)
05:29<OldSmurf>fdisk like pwncore said or cfdisk
05:30<OldSmurf>It's easy
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05:30<kharn>I have been using linux for about oooooh 5 hours now :P
05:30<pwncore>kharn: do you already have linux partitions?
05:30<pwncore>or are these going to be your first ever
05:30<kharn>and that includes installation
05:30<pwncore>you did some partitioning during your installation right?
05:30<kharn>other than what got made in installation ...
05:31<pwncore>did you have it split it up automatically for you
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05:31<pwncore>and now you want to add another hard drive to your linux system, correct?
05:31<kharn>that is correct, a SATA drive
05:31<pwncore>you want the whole thing to be for linux?
05:31<pwncore>and what do you plan to put on it?
05:31<pwncore>you don't have to go into details
05:31<pwncore>but...lots of programs, games, music, video...?
05:31<kharn>:P ... video
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05:32<pwncore>i see
05:32<pwncore>you already have a home partition i take it
05:32<kharn>I have ...
05:32<kharn>home and swap i think?
05:32<pwncore>because what i like to do is take my biggest partition and mount it at /home and save all my porn there
05:32<kharn>hd1 hd5
05:32<pwncore>you should have /usr and /tmp and / also
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05:33<pwncore>now that i think about it since you already have all those partitions i'm not sure exactly what advice to offer you, sorry
05:33<kharn>so basically ... i plug the drive in, then fdisk ?
05:33<kharn>I'm happy fgor it to be another drive
05:34<kharn>this thing is going to have 6 drives anyway
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05:34<kharn>arite ... im off to learn how to use fdisk ... chat to you guys soon :)
05:34<pwncore>alright peace
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05:35<pwncore>oops i missed kharn's msg
05:35<pwncore>i feel like an ass
05:35<pwncore>anyway i'm heading out too, bye all
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05:36<philipp>how i can switch on the next page in top
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05:37<suom1>Can someone help me with this matter: I want to change from utf8 to ISO-8859-1 on my shell (box is utf8) and im not root. Can someone help me with this?
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05:39<snaj>hello ppl
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05:40<snaj>after 2months I decided to upgrade etch to etch/main, after reboot debian almost stopped NATing packets
05:40<OldSmurf>suom1: export LANG="sv_SE.ISO-8859-1" would give you Swedish with ISO-8859-1, but that locale would have to be installed first. It may be
05:40<snaj>iptables 1.3.6 and only few connections are NATed
05:40<snaj>firewall script is ok, and worked with older packages
05:41<snaj>what changed !?
05:41<OldSmurf>snaj: Does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward give you 0 or 1?
05:41<snaj>Ive experienced huge fu..up
05:41<philipp>cant find the id of dpkg
05:41<snaj>OldSmurf: come on! nothing was changed
05:41<snaj>forwarding is on
05:41<snaj>few connections are NATed
05:42<snaj>but most of then go through without hitting iptables rules
05:42<valdyn>suom1: export LC_ALL=en_US
05:42<OldSmurf>snaj: How the hell can I know what you and/or others have changed? I can't even count the number of times I've done stuff with a running box and then gotten everything lost in a reboot cause I forgot to put it in a script that runs on boot
05:42<valdyn>suom1: mind, locales need to be generated to be usable, and that needs root
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05:42<snaj>when I used older debian with the same settings everything is ok
05:43<snaj>all connections hit iptables rules
05:43<suom1>Oki, thx alot OldSmurf and valdyn
05:43<snaj>but debian is older ...
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05:43<snaj>something must be related with latest iptables packages
05:44<OldSmurf>I use iptables 1.3.6 and nat, no problems here.
05:44<snaj>etch/main with latest updates ? what kernel ?
05:45<OldSmurf>That however doesn't mean that there can't be any bugs.. :)
05:45<valdyn>snaj: are you trying to NAT public internet addresses?
05:45<OldSmurf>kernel 2.6.18
05:45<valdyn>snaj: or how else would it even be possible for stuff to go thru without NAT?
05:45<OldSmurf>debian etch yes
05:45<snaj>valdyn: of course
05:45<valdyn>snaj: i see
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05:46<snaj>valdyn: I never saw something like that ... connections were simply routed but not NATed
05:46<snaj>but some were NATed ...
05:46<OldSmurf>snaj: Would it be possible to see your firewall script?
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05:47<snaj>hehe ok
05:47<snaj>where would you like me to place it ?
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05:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:47<kapil>philipp: use "ps aux| grep dpkg"
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05:51<snaj>here you go
05:52<snaj>${IPT} -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -s -j SNAT --to that didn't work ..
05:53<snaj>when used on older debian version NO PROBLEMS NOTICED ...
05:53<snaj>no freaking idea
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05:54<snaj>that DNAT rules also did not work ...
05:54<philipp>can someone help me installing my wlan?
05:55<dpkg>from memory, wlan is Wireless LAN, or see <wlan-ng>, or <wireless>
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05:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at or try asking #wireless, or see, or ask me about <what's my wireless>, or unfortunately, both of the above links are horrifically out of date.
05:56<OldSmurf>snaj: You said that it goes through without hitting iptables. Does the box forward those packets or does it just drop them?
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05:56<snaj>on eth I saw packets with soutce ...
05:57<OldSmurf>snaj: Thats weird since you have a default DROP rule
05:57<snaj>eehh sorry I haven't slept tonight ... thanks to etch ..
05:57<snaj>OldSmurf: you think :>
05:58<OldSmurf>Have you checked that there are no other rules already in place?
05:59<snaj>no other
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05:59<OldSmurf>Wait a minute, you have a forward rule with ACCEPT above the nat rules
05:59<pls>Hey there.
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06:00<pls>Where can i look, which WM is running?
06:00<snaj>yep, that is not related
06:00<OldSmurf>snaj: But all traffic is allowed through by that one
06:00<snaj>nat table is nat table, filter table is filter table
06:00<snaj>yes, I simplyfied it
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06:01<OldSmurf>Well, I don't know what's going on there
06:02<snaj>maybe some debian developer ? :>
06:02<valdyn>snaj: no,#iptables
06:03<snaj>hyh ok
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06:04<OdyX>Hi. Does anyone know about "HDSPA" under Debian ?
06:05<valdyn>snaj: i dont see which of your rule(s) is covering all packages, i.e. packages coming from are supposed to be hit by which rule if they are not udp?
06:06<snaj>DNAT only UDP, SNAT all traffic
06:06<snaj>and those rules do that :>
06:07<valdyn>more like you just didnt notice the issues you had before the kernel change
06:07<snaj>now it is working ...
06:07<snaj>the same scripts, configs only older debian version
06:07<OdyX>I have a 3G card in my Laptop and would like to make it work. Do you know how to make it easily ?
06:07<snaj>and everything is fine, every connection
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06:08<valdyn>snaj: whats "older debian version" ? just the kernel?
06:09<snaj>nope, debian 3.1 not upgraded for 1 year maybe
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06:09<snaj>or something like that
06:09<valdyn>snaj: mm? how do you switch debian release on the fly?
06:09<valdyn>snaj: or is that a different computer?
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06:09<snaj>I switch cables ?
06:09<snaj>different computer
06:09<valdyn>snaj: so there may be a whole lot of things that are different
06:10<snaj>you think ?
06:10<snaj>but why yesterday it worked ?
06:10<valdyn>snaj: you know what you changed since yesterday
06:10<snaj>only upgrade tonight was made
06:10<snaj>nothing more
06:10*valdyn wonders why you didnt tell that earlier
06:11<snaj>ee ?
06:11<valdyn>snaj: and which packages were affected by that upgrade?
06:11<snaj>I told that at the beginning
06:11<snaj>latest packages from 2 months
06:11<snaj>libc6, iptables, kernel, etc
06:11<snaj>maybe 10-15
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06:12<valdyn>snaj: checked the bts yet?
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06:14<snaj_>eh stupid laptop
06:15<snaj_>and now I will have to downgrade some packages
06:15<snaj_>starting with iptables
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06:18<valdyn>!info iptables etch
06:19<valdyn>snaj: there was no iptables upgrade in etch
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06:19<valdyn>snaj: thats a little confusing
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06:20<dpkg>iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: (etch), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 1332 kB
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06:22<valdyn>that package is from Nov 23 2006
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06:25<snaj_>mhm if not iptables, what then ...
06:25<snaj_>are there any apt-get upgrade logs hmm
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06:29<kharn>lo :)
06:29<OldSmurf>kharn: Welcome back
06:29<kharn>ty ty :)
06:29<OldSmurf>kharn: Did you break anything yet? :)
06:29<kharn>no ... it all went surprisingly well
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06:30<kharn>so far :P
06:30<kharn>i installed the sata drive, used fdisk to create a primary partition of full drive size, used mkfs.ext3 on it
06:30<kharn>just trying to get it to mount now
06:31<kharn>playing with fstab till i get it right :)
06:31<kharn>the type is "ext3" yeh?
06:32<kharn>so far ive tried :
06:32<kharn> /dev/sda1 /mnt/store1 ext3 auto,rw,users,umask=000 0 0
06:32<kharn>and mask
06:33<kharn>going to try with default and a few others
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06:34<OldSmurf>try only "defaults"
06:34<OldSmurf>instead of auto,rw etc
06:34<kharn>and there it is
06:34<kharn>all done:P
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06:40<kharn>anyway... its all up
06:40<kharn>allthough my 500gb drive is now only showing 435gb ...
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06:40<kharn>musta stuffed up the partitioning or something
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06:43<bma>kharn, could it be because it's calculating the size with a gig as 1024 meg and so on, but the manufacturer counted a gig as 1000 meg and so on?
06:44<cahoot>additionally the 5% reserved for root?
06:45<kharn>bma - well its showing 465gb .. but only allowing 435 to be accessed ...
06:45<kharn>cahoot - that'd be it
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06:45<kharn>is that stoppable?
06:45<kharn>or always gives the 5% ?
06:45<bma>You can change it, but it's not a good idea.
06:45<cahoot>man tune2fs
06:46<kharn>bma - its only gotta hold a bunch of files ... will be used for nothing else ...
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06:46<kharn>or is the 5% a swap?
06:46<bma>True. If it's not the root fs, I'm not so sure it matters.
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06:48<valdyn>leaving space free is good if you dont want to get ugly fragmentation
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06:49<cahoot>but how much is really neede?
06:49<valdyn>more than your biggest files you deal with regularily
06:49<OldSmurf>I always thought the 5% reserved for root is a failsafe so that the system can be fixed by root if the users put too much stuff on it
06:49<valdyn>OldSmurf: sure
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06:50<OldSmurf>Never thought it could have anything to do with fragmentation
06:50<cahoot>but 5% of 500 GB seems rather rich
06:50<OldSmurf>Sure does
06:50<valdyn>but beyond that , programs dont really abort gracefully when running out of space
06:50<kharn>well - I plan on filling 5 drives with video files and leaving the actual debian file system on its own drive ...
06:50<valdyn>OldSmurf: that value hasnt been changed since 1997 at least
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06:51<cahoot>one wonders if the absolute size is more important then the relative
06:51<valdyn>its so very workload specific, there's no rule of the thumb..
06:51<OldSmurf>kharn: I'd remove it
06:52<kharn>OldSmurf easiest way to do that?
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06:53<OldSmurf>tune2fs -m
06:53<OldSmurf>If you type "man tune2fs" you will see the user manual for tune2fs
06:54<kharn>sooo tune2fs -m 0
06:54<kharn>then unmount drive
06:54<kharn>then mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
06:54<kharn>sound about right?
06:54<OldSmurf>No :)
06:55<OldSmurf>umount, tune2fs -m 0 /dev/whatever; remount
06:55<cahoot>For pure data partitions, this is just lost space. from
06:55<OldSmurf>I actually don't know if you have to unmount first
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06:59<kharn>gah ...
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07:07<kharn>is epiphany the debian browser of choice?
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07:08<terr1>I'm trying to get my SATA disks to work in using the new libata drivers, when using dmesg, I can see allot of output ata1, ata2.. displaying my 3 disks, however they don't get assigned to any /dev/ devices and sd* devices do not exists in my /dev.. Do I need to create those manually or something else wrong?
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07:12<m0RrE>hello, i've got a question that i can't find a solution to.. I red that the new kernel i supposed to support rt2500 chipsets, but when i try to activate that option in my kernel on my desktop computer i can't find it. i tried on my server and there it was. why doesn't the option show up on my desktop machine?
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07:14<cahoot>m0RrE: you mean you're configuring av custom kernel?
07:15<m0RrE>that's right
07:15<cahoot>m0RrE: hit / in menuconfig and search?
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07:16<m0RrE> | Symbol: RT2500PCI [=n] |
07:16<m0RrE> | Prompt: Ralink rt2500 pci/pcmcia support |
07:16<m0RrE> | Defined at drivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/Kconfig:59
07:16<m0RrE>but it's not there
07:17<m0RrE>i can see the option on my server, but not on this machine..?
07:17<cahoot>no mention of other options required? like experimental?
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07:18<m0RrE>Depends on: NETDEVICES && !S390 && RT2X00 && PCI
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07:27<m0RrE>when i try make xconfig and select "show all options" i can see it. but it's gray and i can't select it.. :o
07:28<Refakki> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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07:28<OldSmurf>m0RrE: One or more dependencies are not met.
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07:30<m0RrE>what's S390 ?
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07:31<OldSmurf>Another kind of computer
07:32<OldSmurf>You can't have that kind of card in a S390, so if you select S390 you cant select that card
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07:35<mihau>how to make two seperate monitors to work?
07:35<mihau>there is only twinview and clone working ;/
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07:36<mihau>twinview would be ok, if it didn't open some windows (eg. firefox) in the other screen ;/
07:36<m0RrE>ah, i got it! :D
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07:37<cahoot>This is an experimental driver for the Ralink rt2500 wireless chip. got experimental enabled?
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07:46<terr1>I can access one SATA drive thats not in RAID now using libata.. forgot SCSI support in kernel.. I see my two other drives thats running in RAID as well in /dev/sd* (JMicron, so software raid by BIOS), already a NTFS filesystem on those 2 disks using raid 0, is it possible to access it in linux or is it not possible to get a raid system that can be used in both win/linux? (when its software raid by bios)
07:46<dpkg>it has been said that fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>).
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07:47<valdyn>terr1: you are looking for dmraid, i dont know if that supports your specific controller
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07:47<terr1>ah now it works thx.. didnt work before SCSI support.. :)
07:48<terr1>Better to make them run in md (software raid) ? does it perform better or whats the difference?
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07:49<valdyn>terr1: you can share md with windows
07:49<valdyn>terr1: you CANNOT share md with windows
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07:50<terr1>yeah I know.. but I will setup a samba linux, filserver as soon as I get my data sorted.. so if it performs better I will make it md?
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07:52<terr1>I hope MD performs better.. hdparm says 98MB/S when in windows it runs 170MB/S.. But I guess its due to the software raid in BIOS, should perform better with md or?
07:52<valdyn>terr1: no
07:53<valdyn>terr1: you are really doing raid0?
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07:53<valdyn>terr1: 170 is more than your disks can physically do probably
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07:53<valdyn>terr1: i dont wanna know what kind of "benchmark" that is
07:53<dpkg>i guess raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't.
07:54<terr1>valdyn, striping so it's 2x the normal speed? which is about 80MB/S
07:54<terr1>I'm doing it for speed gain..
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07:54<valdyn>terr1: silly
07:54<terr1>already got LVM on 7 disks.. but Im going for raid0 to get better speed gain
07:55<terr1>how come?
07:55<valdyn>terr1: disks dont last many years on average
07:55<valdyn>terr1: raid0 doubles the risk of complete failure
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07:55<terr1>valdyn, yeah but doubles the speed gain as well :)
07:56<valdyn>terr1: depending on what you did with that lvm you might have 7x the chance of complete failure on that one
07:56<valdyn>majorly silly
07:56<terr1>the LVM is just 7 IDE disks running as 1 disk.. if 1 disk goes out the rest should work?
07:56<terr1>no raid
07:56<valdyn>terr1: what's the rest?
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07:57<valdyn>terr1: a filesystem that gets broken in the middle isnt good for much
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07:57<terr1>if 1 physical disk goes down, you should be able to resieze the LVM logical partition without the 1 broken disk
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07:58<terr1>thats the point of using LVM lol? :)
07:58<valdyn>terr1: no, that'S abusing lvm
07:58<terr1>call it what you want but thats how it actually works ?
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07:58<valdyn>terr1: that'S only the mess you brought yourself into, lvm can do stupid and great things
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07:59<terr1>So how should it be used? Im here to learn :)
07:59<valdyn>terr1: it doesnt do redundancy for you. It doesnt do safety
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08:00<valdyn>terr1: 3 raid mirrors with lvm on top makes more sense
08:00<terr1>In a company mirror makes sence but seriously none have the disk to run mirrors in private homes way overkill imo.
08:01<valdyn>terr1: sure
08:01<valdyn>terr1: thats why no one forces you to create such a huge lvm volume
08:01<valdyn>terr1: make 7 smaller ones
08:01<valdyn>terr1: and a disk failing will have limited impact
08:02<terr1>I thought as I said, you could pull 1 failing disk out resieze the LVM disk and it will work again? Tried to pull one out in the middle and I got the LVM running again without it..
08:03<valdyn>terr1: you loose all filesystems that touch that disk
08:04<Lynoure>terr1: plenty of people run RAID 1 or better at home
08:04<terr1>Problem is you dont get the speed gain
08:04<terr1>and I need that
08:04<valdyn>terr1: raid1 does gain you alot of speed
08:04<Lynoure>terr1: for reading, you do.
08:04<valdyn>terr1: just not in writes
08:05<valdyn>terr1: for read you get speed as soon as you have more than 1 concurrent process reading
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08:06<valdyn>terr1: raid5 is probably not the worst choice if you really need as much as possible of that space
08:06<terr1>dont know raid5 that good
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08:07<Lynoure>terr1: no better time to learn that today :)
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08:09<valdyn>terr1: you didnt tell us about your workload btw, or details about which kind of load you really need to satisfy
08:09<sati>if i want delete a user account what have i got to do?
08:10<valdyn>sati: deluser name
08:10<sati>delete the user in /etc/passwd and his home directory?
08:10<valdyn>sati: just the user, read the manpage for more
08:10<sati>valdyn, thx
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08:11<terr1>valdyn, I'm only using it as a samba fileserver in conjunction to a mediacenter
08:11<valdyn>terr1: with or without concurrent accesses?
08:11<sati>valdyn, apparently the directory is not deleted automaticaly
08:11<valdyn>sati: sure.. read the manpage
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08:12<terr1>valdyn, without
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08:12<valdyn>terr1: ok, so raid1 isnt for you.
08:13<valdyn>terr1: raid5 is good for this workload
08:13<terr1>valdyn, yes but I dont have 4 identical disks sadly, 2x 750, 2x 500, 2x 320, 2x 250
08:14<valdyn>terr1: you dont need identical disks
08:14<valdyn>terr1: you can create raids of partitions
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08:14<terr1>when using MD or?
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08:14<valdyn>terr1: you can raid any group of block devices, even partitions on the same disk ( though thats crazy )
08:14<valdyn>terr1: yes, with md
08:15<terr1>raid1 needs 2 identical partition or disks thou right?
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08:15<valdyn>terr1: smallest partition is the maximum member size
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08:16<valdyn>terr1: they should be of equal size as to not waste space , that is all
08:17<terr1>valdyn, aha.. not sure how I should configure 750, 750, 500, 500, 320.. sounds like alot of spaces goes down the drain? how is the performance? any better than just normal LVM across the disks?
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08:17<valdyn>terr1: better, yes, but grouping slow small disks with fast huge disks doesnt really make sense
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08:18<terr1>valdyn, the 750 and 500 are new disks and should have good speeds
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08:19<valdyn>terr1: i wouldnt do raid5 with the disks you have, to different
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08:20<valdyn>terr1: *maybe* 4x500 and 4x250, but uh
08:20<terr1>valdyn, 750, 750 = 3x 500 GB partitions with 1x 500GB drive (4 disks x 500) and 1 500GB acting as the failsafe
08:20<terr1>The old disks 320, 250 I will run as LVM or something.. but the new disks I could maybee put in a raid5?
08:21<valdyn>terr1: 4x500 with the remaining space on the 2 750gb sized disks for something else..
08:22<terr1>valdyn, so with 4x500 I will get 1,5TB of space with the ability to have 1 failure disk?
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08:24<Tarcas>then you can RAID 1 or 0 the last 250 GB of each 750
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08:25<Tarcas>...or combine it with the 350 and make a 250 GB RAID5 partition on each, giving another 500 GB of redundant storage, plus 100 GB nonredundant for something else.
08:26<terr1>when making raid5, it can only consist of exactly 4 disks?
08:26<Tarcas>WEll, technically 2, but at that point you may as well mirror them.
08:27<Tarcas>In many implementations, RAID 1+0 or 0+1 have to be exactly 4, but Linux LVM will let you do more.
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08:28<terr1>Are you guys 100% Sure that in my 7 IDE LVM disk without any raid, if 1 disk goes down it will destroy the whole LVM partition? Since I troed to plug one out and resieze and it worked.. but of cause it didnt do any damage to the filesystem when pulled like that?
08:29<Tarcas>Why are you using LVM if you're not using SW RAID?
08:29<Tarcas>Don't answer that for me, I have to go. Sorry.
08:29<abrotman>Tarcas: he has a good backup? :)
08:30<terr1>I thought the LVM running like that was failsafe when 1 disk borks out.. Im using the LVM to combine 7 smaller disks to 1 large disk
08:30<Lynoure>one can do mirroring on lvm too... just never have used it myself that way
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08:36<Pepper>Hi! Has someone got kqemu to compile for 2.6.24.x?
08:36<peyman>hi, is there any way that somehow when i ssh -X to a machine, detach the current X window on that machine, and attach it back to where i have sshed from?
08:37<themill>peyman: sounds like you want to investigate vnc
08:37<peyman>themill: vnc? let me call google!
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08:38<themill>!info vncserver etch
08:38<peyman>themill: thanks, that's it.
08:38<dpkg>vncserver: (Virtual network computing server software), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.3.7-14 (etch), Packaged size: 532 kB, Installed size: 1176 kB
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08:44<kharn>question: i was just playing with some network settings (reverted them to what they were) and now my system is saying that I have no connection... although I quite clearly do
08:44<kharn>any idea what I may have done?
08:45<terr1>I got the following Disk: Raptor X 150 GB - Seriel ATA - SATA150 NCQ - 10000RPM/16MB - However when doing a hdparm -Tt /dev/sdc I only get 18MB/S.. what could be the problem here? Do you need to set some kind of DMA on SATA disks using libata?
08:48<kharn>i did change eth0 to auto .. in /etc/network/interfaces ...
08:49<OldSmurf>kharn: Could you paste /etc/network/interfaces ?
08:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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08:52<themill>kharn: I presume that lines 10-13 are actually indented in your /e/n/interfaces?
08:52<themill>kharn: erm... 11-13
08:53<OldSmurf>kharn: Looks right
08:53<themill>kharn: and what is saying that you're not connected?
08:53<OldSmurf>kharn: Can you ping a external IP? Can you ping a host?
08:53<kharn>i can ping external
08:54<kharn>and i can ping other machines
08:54<kharn>and the gateway
08:54<kharn>cant see the other machines though
08:54<kharn>yes i can see them
08:55<kharn>its just saying I am not connected in the icon at the top ..
08:55<kharn>"no network connection" ...
08:55<kharn>kinda weird
08:55<themill>kharn: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
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08:57<peyman>themill: i installed it, and connected. everything is fine so far, except that i use wmii not a desktop manager, and i need to redirect all keys to the other machine. any idea how to?
08:58<themill>kharn: all your little icon shows is the state of the network manager daemon, and your /e/n/interfaces configuration tells networkmanager not to manage that interface. Hence, networkmanager says there are no connections.
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08:59<kharn>themill so using "allow-hotplug would bring it back up? and basically .. that little icon is unimportant?
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08:59<themill>kharn: yes and yes.
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08:59<kharn>themill ty
09:00<themill>kharn: the nm icon is mainly useful for you if you have a wireless networking setup and you go to internet cafes etc.
09:00<kharn>is there any reason why my static ip would not be working and it is still using dhcp then?
09:01<sati>I use Debian on vmware and i have a problem with my ifconfig. Although i set up my iface in /etc/network/interfaces i have to set dhcp to get internet. More when i apply DHCLIENT it set up a eth3 or in my /etc/network/interfaces i set up eth0...
09:01<themill>kharn: is dhclient still running?
09:02<kharn>themill unsure ... how would I find out (been using linux for about 7 hours now)
09:02<themill>kharn: in a terminal: ps ax | grep dhclient
09:02<kharn>yes it is
09:02<themill>peyman: that shouldn't be a problem. You will run a vncserver with wmii inside it with whatever apps you want. When you use vncviewer either over ssh -X or tunnelled, all keys should go to the vnc session and wmii.
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09:03<peyman>themill: mmm, apparantly it doesn't on my pc
09:03<kharn>gah ...
09:04<peyman>themill: on both i use wmii.
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09:04<kharn>themill all good i sorted it ... i was still looking at nm's details
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09:04<themill>peyman: perhaps your local wmii is catching the events and not passing them on
09:04<kharn>ifconfig shows the correct ip
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09:04<peyman>themill: exactly
09:05<themill>kharn: to change your network config to that in your /e/n/i, you can either ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 or invoke-rc.d networking restart
09:05<peyman>themill: so any idea how to fix it?
09:06<themill>peyman: never used wmii so I have no idea. You might get some clues in #wmii though
09:06<peyman>themill: yeah, ok. thanks though.
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09:07<themill>peyman: no worries. Good luck :)
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09:07<themill>peyman: btw some vnc viewers (or nomachines etc) have a fullscreen mode that does try to grab all keystrokes. The wm might behave better with that. ymmv.
09:09<peyman>themill: i see. let me check.
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09:10<Hamlet>huhu ;-)
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09:12<MoRbO_BCN> /server
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09:14<kharn>whats the best (in peoples opinion) irc client?
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09:16<suiside>kharn: depends on what you like, imho irssi is great
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09:17<kharn>suiside thanks i'll have a look
09:17<suiside>kharn: be sure to take a look at at the startup guide on
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09:18<kharn>suiside will do
09:18<wnd>personally I use X-Chat (with an IRC proxy), and irssi when doing some quick testing
09:18<kharn>so x-chat is on linux aswell?
09:18*wnd grins
09:19<wnd>I think it was first written on linux
09:19<suiside>kharn: x-chat is originally written for linux and was later ported to windows
09:19<kharn>really? I was unaware... I just liked it as it reminded me of amirc
09:19<wnd>kharn, that's part of the reason why I'm using it
09:19<suiside>but personally I require a screenable client
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09:20<wnd>that's why I use a proxy/bouncer
09:20<wnd>then again it's a matter of preference
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09:20<kharn>screenable client means?
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09:20<suiside>kharn: one you can run in Gnu screen
09:21<kharn>I wish that meant something to me .. can you give me more info?
09:22<kharn>or a link ... I am reading an awful lot today anyway ... *brain melts*
09:22<suiside>from the manpage: "Screen is a full-screen window manager that multiplexes a physical terminal between several processes (typically interactive shells)."
09:22<suiside>basically you could say it's a terminal window manager
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09:23<kharn>ok cool
09:23<Pepper>Hi! Has someone got kqemu to compile for 2.6.24.x?
09:23<kharn>that makes sense :)
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09:26<suiside>kharn: the advantage of it you can start a terminal application in screen, detach the screen, logout (with the application still running in the screen), login later, reattach the screen and have the same instance of the application in front of you
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09:27<kharn>good for idling then :P
09:27<suiside>quick learner
09:28<Guest320>ich prubiren auz Czechai diese desktop...
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09:30<kharn>trying to be ... aimb .. this is about hour 8 in the life of debian for me :)
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09:37<kharn>i just got an error on install "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" i double checked i had gcc installed ... any ideas here?
09:38<azeem>kharn: installing what?
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09:39<kharn>gertting a new error now
09:39<kharn>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
09:39<suiside>kharn: why not just grab it from apt?
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09:39<kharn>apparently I like to do things the hard way ...
09:40<kharn>thanks suiside
09:40<terr1>I'm running debian lenny custom kernel.. I got a WD raptor 150GB SATA 1 (150) drive, that seems to variate allot in speed, I've done like 5 hdparm -Tt after each other and the drive is running at a speed 20-70MB/S.. Any ideas? I got 2 other SATA drives on the same controller.. permanently at 70-80MB/S speeds. Here is the output:
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09:43<suiside>kharn: compiling programs from source when they are available from apt (the quick way configure && make && make install) will quickly become difficult to manage if you don't do your own dep packages, but if you wish to compile yourself make sure you have build-essential installed
09:44<kharn_>yeh ... i just grabbed from apt ... i feel betterer now ... I have this inate ability to always try to do things the hard way ...
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09:46<kharn_>back to configuring samba
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10:22<boscaiolo>hi. looking for help on sound modules, specifically how to remove them to try different options
10:23<boscaiolo>/etc/init.d/alsa unload fails "(failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-intel ..."
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10:24<boscaiolo>It is that one, snd-hda-intel, that I need to try options for
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10:26<per>Hello, can anybody here awnser how services works? I get this message at bootup:"*Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled." (and then I havto run "dhclient3" to connect to the internet)
10:26<per>Any ideer? ...
10:27<tweber>per, these are different things. Do you just want to connect to the internet?
10:27<per>(but not by hand, I want the booup script to handle it, as it used todo
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10:29<per>Are there any packages that I can reinstall, or what. Any ideer???
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10:29<tweber>What's in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
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10:29<per>update-rc.d is a big fuzz...
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10:33<boscaiolo>per, if you use kde, there is a sysv management tool (ksysv), but it's not clear where you have a problem. If sysv (the rcx.d thing) is set up you probably have to look at the configuration.
10:33<boscaiolo>WHat has changed since when it used to work (you imply it did)
10:35<per>tweber: yes, thare are some lines inside my "/etc/network/interfaces"
10:35<per>I have shanged my motherboard....
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10:35<per>a fuzz
10:35<per>Must gio, I bring this up later.c u
10:36<boscaiolo>and the ethernet port is on the motherboard -- or are you wireless?
10:36<boscaiolo>ok bye
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11:00<Guest327>hi, can any body help with installing latest debian-testing
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11:02<cahoot>help in what respect?
11:04<Guest327>there are about three bugs until now, two i've worked around but one i couldnt
11:05<azeem>Guest327: are you installing testing directly via the debian-installer?
11:05<terr1>I'm trying to make a shell script that returns the current directory I'm in.. like pwd and dirname returns the whole path like /etc/samba/smb.conf they return /etc/samba instead of just samba, any1 got an idea how to get the current directory out only?
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11:07<SchwarzeKrause>Hi, all. How should one establish wireless connection with wifi-radar? I've installed ipw3945 and the wifi-radar itself - what next?
11:07<Guest327>after configuring the debian package manager the installer claimes that the cd isnt in driver and asks for it, the driver is locked and
11:07<azeem>17:04 < azeem> Guest327: are you installing testing directly via the debian-installer?
11:07<kharn>hi hi :)
11:07<Guest327>and trying to reinstall or rescue is hopeless
11:08<azeem>17:07 < azeem> 17:04 < azeem> Guest327: are you installing testing directly via the debian-installer?
11:08<azeem>well, don't do that
11:08<kharn>what can I do to attempt to find a pci crad (that isn't showing in lspci) ?
11:08<azeem>Guest327: or at least wait for the beta1 which is going to be released in a few days, afaik
11:08<Guest327>what to do then?
11:08<azeem>Guest327: install etch and upgrade
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11:09<Guest327>i tried before, but the system went unstable and unusable
11:09<azeem>when you upgraded to testing?
11:09<epilido>running sid attempted an update to the 2.6.24 kernel. libpth20 will not install. error processing libpth20_2.0.7-9_i386.deb error is in trying to overwrite /usr/lib/ which is also in libpth20
11:10<azeem>epilido: there's a typo in that
11:10<Guest327>for my lucky luck, the dvd thing finished downloading today morning after days of pain
11:11<epilido>cant cut and paste as I have no xserver
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11:11<azeem>epilido: then at least transcribe correctly
11:11<azeem>or use screen
11:12<Guest327>hello!,......the testing-dvd is 11-feb-2008
11:13<azeem>Guest327: 17:07 < azeem> well, don't do that
11:13<Guest327>don't do what install from the dvd installer?
11:13<azeem>install from the *testing* dvd installer
11:13<azeem>it's known to be unstable
11:14<Guest327>u mean to not use it at all
11:14<azeem>you can use the DVD later as a source for packages
11:15<azeem>17:08 < azeem> Guest327: install etch and upgrade
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11:16<Guest327>well, to be explicit. i wanted libc6>2.7, also compiz fusion, but that didn't work on etch
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11:16<azeem>why do you need libc-2.7?
11:17<Guest327>media stream downloader
11:17<azeem>which is binary-only?
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11:17<Guest327>no there is a source, but
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11:18<Guest327>i prefered the binary as to keep the apt as clean as possible
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11:19<azeem>Guest327: so because of that you install an unstable distribution?
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11:19<kharn>if lspci can not see a card ... is there a way to make linux see it?
11:19<azeem>kharn: what kind of card?
11:19<epilido>The following NEW packages will be installed
11:19<epilido> libpth20
11:19<epilido>0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 81 not upgraded.
11:19<epilido>5 not fully installed or removed.
11:19<epilido>Need to get 0B/76.5kB of archives.
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11:19<Guest327>it's the latest, and i thought its suitable for a newby
11:19<kharn>Azeem: sunix 3710 - ATA 133 PCI card
11:20<azeem>Guest327: the latest is etch, lenny is testing
11:20<azeem>Guest327: and yes, running testing is suitable, but the only supported way of running it is currently to upgrade from stable
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11:20<azeem>kharn: does lspci say something like "Unknown PCI device"?
11:21<kharn>azeem, no, its not listed at all ...
11:21<Guest327>i tried to upgrade libc, but the system tells me it's going to uninstall half of it's components
11:21<kharn>azeem, i have nothing connected to it atm - if that would make a difference ..
11:21<azeem>Guest327: upgrade when? from what?
11:21<azeem>kharn: no
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11:22<Guest327>libc6 from 2.3 i guess to 2.7.2
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11:24<kharn>google is not being friendly to me tonight ...
11:24<kharn>maybe the card is stuffed ... hasn't been used for a year or so ...
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11:27<Guest327>ok thanks azeem
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11:28<epilido>I pasted the apt output with paster
11:28<kisbes>I used my system working correctly for a long time without official nvidia drivers
11:28<kisbes>then I m-a a-i nvidia
11:29<kisbes>and installed other nvidia-related things with apt
11:29<kisbes>now, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't write my monitor into the xorg.conf file
11:29<kisbes>any suggestions?
11:30<kisbes>VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
11:30<kisbes> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default
11:30<kisbes> Screen".
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11:30<kisbes>could I undo my modifications?
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11:37<weld>hi there.. anyone familliear with Kxkb? i want to use two keyboard layouts and switch between them. i can switch them by clicking on the Kxkb systray icon.. but setting shortcuts to switch th layout doesn't work.. :)
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11:39<weld>i think it was working well some days ago when i first tried.. but no enabling shortcuts doesn't work anymore
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11:54<octoserver>In the grub command line, when you do "root(hd0,1) then setup(hd0) grub will look for the /boot partition right, the one with the /boot/grub directory, and install the bootloader on the beginning of that partition by default right?////
11:54<Mathiaz>hi, i have to choose an OS to install on my cluster. Is tere a debain HPC communauty??
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12:04<siim>hi i need to get a java for my fluxbuntu
12:04<kevin-asdfg>hope this is where to ask--- new to debian but ran redhat and fedora for several years..can't get plugins to work in firefox. about:plugins says everything is there. any ideas?? thanks
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12:05<siim>i have kazeakze i dont know to it need have be a firefox
12:05<epilido>gdm has no response to the keyboard. mouse works and keyboard works in another virt terminal....any suggestions
12:05<siim>so i am just noob guy
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12:08<siim>whats an better than anyway windows or linux you can do everything whit linux and same things whit windows but linux didnot have virusis
12:09<siim>sry my english i am from estonia
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12:10<siim>hi you are my country realitive can you help my whit my fluxbuntu
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12:11<siim>so no chattin in here
12:12<adventurelanka>hello everbody
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12:12<siim>hi can you help whit me i on fluxbuntu and i need to get flash and java
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12:13<suiside>siim: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
12:13<adventurelanka>I just finished installing Debian on a server via KVM-IP
12:13<siim>then bye no help here irw :)
12:13<adventurelanka>i have informed support to eject the media in the server so I can boot up
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12:14<adventurelanka>but they still havent .... is there a way I can still boot up
12:14<Tarcas>use the eject command, but if the drive automatically retracts on boot, it probably won't help.
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12:15<cahoot>a really forceful eject?
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12:15<Tarcas>eject -powerlevel 100000? :-P
12:15<adventurelanka>stupid support wont eject the media .. its been an hour now
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12:16<Tarcas>I don't suppose it's a CD RW?
12:16<adventurelanka>I am not sure
12:16<Tarcas>If so you could blank the disk. ;-)
12:17<adventurelanka>btw .... why does KVM-IP have to be so slow and with this particular model of console typing is so difficult
12:17<Tarcas>If only the BIOS had software hooks to change the boot order.
12:17<adventurelanka>it just randomly adds addtional keystrokes
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12:18<adventurelanka>talk about a nameserver and root password nightmare
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13:26<azeem>OSAMEN_DECKO: this is an english language channel
13:27<azeem>OSAMEN_DECKO: please write in english or leave
13:27<Chardot>hey, people, what d'you think about this? :
13:27<malcom2073>That dosent look like another language, it looks like gibberish
13:27<malcom2073>No special charachters or anything
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13:28<azeem>OSAMEN_DECKO: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for not writing in english
13:28<Chardot>do you like it?
13:29<Chardot>I think that it would be awsome to refersh Debian look a little bit..
13:29<Chardot>maybe to update it..
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13:30<Chardot>how can anybody propose a logo or anything to the community, in order to improve Debian's look?
13:30<Chardot>(or, at least, Debian's website's look..?)
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13:33<DaCapn>why does it need a new look?
13:34<Chardot>To reach integrity.
13:34<Chardot>Functional does not mean ugly.
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13:36<DaCapn>I personally like the debian site how it is. It's simple.
13:36<Chardot>I think to reach aesthetically the high level it has technologically..
13:38<Chardot>talking about aesthetics, "simple" is not the easier way to do things..
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13:39<Chardot>I think that Debian's website has been easy to make it, but yet, browser rendering standards are not based on proportions and beauty standards.
13:39<engywuck>where can I find when the current testing will become stable (approximately)?
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13:39<adii>where can I find support on C language ?
13:40<adii>looks pretty empty
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13:40<DaCapn>other networks like freenode or efnet might be a good pick
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13:41<adii>irc.freenode. ?
13:41<adii>net ?
13:41<DaCapn>yeah, and
13:41<adii>:) thanks a lot
13:41<adii>have a good evening
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13:45<Chardot>So, untill browser's rendering standarsd become based on proportions (beauty code), we'll have to use designers (beauty coders) to make things graphically right..
13:45<DaCapn>Chardot YOU think it's not a good looking website. I personally think it looks good.
13:45<DaCapn>it does its job perfectly
13:46<cahoot>well it probably was redesigned once
13:47<cahoot>so somewhere along the line someone probably had some aesthetic views on the site -
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13:47<Chardot>You don't choose a women to live with and share your feeling due to her ability for self-feeding or going to the bathroom alone. You choose beauty, inner and outer.
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13:48<Chardot>basically, all women do their job pretty well...but that's not enough to judge anything..
13:49<DaCapn>I pick my women based on her plowing experience
13:49<engywuck>"a man with two working hands doesn't need women"
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13:50<Chardot>Still looking for a good reason not to evolve.
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13:51<DaCapn>I like the site exactly how it is. That's probably the best reason I can think of.
13:52<Chardot>You probably like your job, but if some other company offers you a better one...I would like to see what you do.. :)
13:52<DaCapn>I don't rock back and forth in my chair gazing fondly at the debian website. I go to search the repos for details on packages and find out about the advisories.
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13:53<DaCapn>It does this job very well. The site is totally consistent and simple. You bring a bunch of flashy crap in there and it will be more distracting.
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13:54<engywuck>debian website is perfectly usable with text browsers
13:54<engywuck>let it stay that way
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13:55<Chardot>then, why does it have to have a logo?
13:55<Chardot>what is it for?
13:55<engywuck>why does toothpaste often have red (grenn) stripes?
13:56<Chardot>I'm not talking about redesigning the entire website, I'm not talkin about flashy crap or images..
13:56<simonrvn>because it has one? o_O
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13:56<Chardot>So.. couldn't it be a better one?
13:57<DaCapn>Chardot your logo is nice, I would be tempted to use it on my desktop... which is something I want to look nice.
13:57<Chardot>So, but websites must be ugly to do their job pretty well.
13:57<simonrvn>Chardot: better? than what? what for?
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13:57<DaCapn>On the current debian site it doesn't "match." The logo is there for recognition. Note that it's the ONLY graphic on the entire debian site!
13:58<simonrvn>ugly is relative
13:58<Chardot>Yeah, I know..
13:58<simonrvn>DaCapn: no, the red rounded corner thing has images on the corners (done in the old way of doing rounded boxes, not the new way with CSS and many <div>s)
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13:59<DaCapn>heh, I stand corrected
13:59<DaCapn>Well... those could go in my opinion... haha
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14:00<simonrvn>b.d.o has had a minor facelift, you could sync the main site with b.d.o, that's the only thing i'd do
14:00<Chardot>I think it would be nice to redesign the site using CSS...
14:00<Chardot>one for screen, one for mobile devices, one for printing..
14:00<Chardot>It's all about order, order means beauty.
14:00<simonrvn>(it isn't much different in appearance)
14:00<DaCapn>mobile devices?
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14:01<simonrvn>DaCapn: they have different constraints
14:01<Chardot>But I didn't mean to bring a bunch of flashy stuff or pics..
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14:01<DaCapn>I know... I'm just saying... do people actually do that?
14:01<Chardot>no more pics, just one pic: the Debian logo :)
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14:01<simonrvn>some do, and some software does it for you
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14:02<DaCapn>I mean the debian site specifically
14:02<simonrvn>dunno, haven't checked
14:02<Chardot>Now it has 3 pics: the logo, and the rounded corners. It could have an only pic: the logo.
14:02<Chardot>why does it have to have rounded corners?
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14:02<Chardot>rounded corners are relative..
14:03<simonrvn>i think the logo is fine. ask the webmaster/mistress ;)
14:04<DaCapn>I like Chardot's logo, but I like the current logo for the site. It's not distracting
14:05<simonrvn>i haven't seen it yet *goes to look*
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14:06<simonrvn>well the text isn't in the usual font, and the swirl is a bit off, and the swirl's red is a bit different, but it looks nice otherwise.
14:06<simonrvn>thanks, i fetched it from scrollback
14:06<DaCapn>I might enjoy looking at it when I login to a gnome session, but I don't think on the debian website.
14:07<Chardot>I took the swirl from the original logo...
14:07<Chardot>is the same swirl..
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14:09<Chardot>the typography is between serf and sans-serif, the proper balance between simplicity and sophistication..
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14:09<Chardot>it's all about simplycity and simbolism..
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14:10<simonrvn>...and people are going to point out that's not the original font ;)
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14:11<DaCapn>in fact... it almost... to me... looks like... the ubuntu font in your logo
14:11<simonrvn>and it's "simplicity" "symbolism"
14:11<Chardot>people do not point out their PCs are not the original ENIACs or something..
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14:12<Chardot>Sorry, my english is self-taught..
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14:12<simonrvn>you miss the point entirely. you lack historical perspective it seems. and i'm not criticising you, i offered well-intentioned comments
14:13<simonrvn>you can either accept it, or ignore it
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14:13<Chardot>I didn't mean to be rude...sorry..
14:13<Guest342>Sorry to interrupt your conversation, but is this the debian channel to ask for help?
14:13<DaCapn>this one
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14:13<simonrvn>sure is. we're just being very/kinda off-topic
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14:13<Guest342>I don't mind, I just want some help to get my installation going :)
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14:14<Guest342>Is it okay if I start to describe my problem?
14:14<themill>!just ask
14:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:14<simonrvn>that's the usual procedure
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14:14<Chardot>Ok, guys, see you later..
14:14<Guest342>ok :P
14:15<simonrvn>Chardot: see you
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14:15<Xenguy>be seeing you
14:16<Chardot>anyway, thanks...see you!
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14:16<makila>je cherche un chanel avec des américains
14:16<makila>quelqu'un peut m'aider ?
14:16<Guest342>I having trouble installing debian. I'm trying to use preseeding which seems to work. I expirimented in Qemu first before going to start it on my *real* machine. However, after I choose my language and keyboard settings the installer goes haywire. It starts detecting stuff (disks + rest I think) and then the progress bar starts flashing and stuff (it keeps trying). I'm seeing an error for a very small moment: Floating Point Exception. Any sugesti
14:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
14:17<cahoot>hmm he was looking for americans
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14:17<themill>(yeah I know that... I was hoping that <fr> had something about "this channel is in english")
14:18<Guest342>Anyone ?
14:18<themill>Guest342: can you provide any more information? What CPU and what installer you are using would be a good start. Are there any errors visible if you hit Alt+F2 (or is it Alt+F3)
14:19<Guest342>I'm using and AMD 3200+ (AuthenticAmd) with the small cd-rom image from the latest stable debian.
14:19<Guest342>Debian Etch
14:20<Guest342>These images are called netinst images...
14:21<Guest342>I think it has something to do with my hardware-configuration, do you want that too maybe? It's and ASUS-A8NE...
14:21<ali28>hi to everyone, i'm trying to make my first debian package, to what daemon-allow apply (from $prog.postinst)? to the init functions? i found nothing in /usr/share/debconf
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14:22<Guest342>Anyone ?
14:22<ali28>maybe is more for #mentor but theres nobody in the chan
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14:22<themill>ali28: there are 91 of us in #debian-mentors :)
14:23<Guest342>I'll try using ALT+F2 or ALT+F3 brb
14:23<ali28>ahhhhhh wrong channel!!! thanks!!
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14:23<ali28>thanks themill i was in #mentors
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14:36<Alpha6>hi again
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14:36<turf>hello :)
14:37<Alpha6>I'm the one with the A8N-E mobo that gets the error: Floating Point Exception... The other screens say something about the installer suddenly exciting and that is is scheduled for restart. That is all. Could anyone help? (BTW, I booted with BOOT_DEBU=2)
14:37<turf>i need help :$
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14:37<Alpha6>me too :P
14:37<turf>well , some basic question
14:37<Alpha6>Maybe I can help
14:37<turf>i moved from kubuntu to debian ecth kde
14:37*turf feels like growing
14:38<Alpha6>? huh ?
14:38<turf>anyway ...
14:38<turf>i m trying to get compiz-fusion working
14:38<turf>i have direct rendering enable with nvidia drivers
14:38<turf>( the .run )
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14:39<Alpha6>And ?
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14:39<turf>& when i launch compiz --replace as the many config pages says
14:39<Alpha6>Just a reminder, can anyone help me with MY problem ?
14:40<turf>i have no "title bar"
14:40<Alpha6>You have to launch emerald too and activate the compiz plugins?
14:40<Alpha6>Do you see anything from the compiz configuration?
14:40<turf>but i can't find it
14:40<Alpha6>CompizConfig ?
14:40<avtobiff>turf, compiz-fusion isn't in etch.
14:41<Alpha6>That means you have to activate all the plugins yourself on the command line + start emerald.
14:41<avtobiff>emerald isn't in debian at all
14:41<Alpha6>One plugin in combination with emerald gives window borders
14:41<Alpha6>erm ? :S
14:42<avtobiff>turf, you can check the gconf stuff for enabling plugins with compiz in Etch
14:42<Alpha6>Sorry, I don't have Debian at all (stupid installation bug) but I didn't knew it was that different.
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14:42<avtobiff>it is to some extent.
14:42<Alpha6>avtobiff, can u help me too ?
14:42<avtobiff>Alpha6, i checked your question, sorry :-(
14:42<avtobiff>Alpha6, and i dont now what the DEBU=2 is
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14:43<avtobiff>Alpha6, can you boot without BOOT_DEBU=2?
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14:43<avtobiff>Alpha6, the install that is
14:43<Alpha6>BOOT_DEBUG=2 enables extra debug messages in the installer?
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14:43<avtobiff>Alpha6, oooh. DEBUG :-)
14:43<Alpha6>yes :P
14:43<Alpha6>But I didn't got any usefull messages, perhaps you could point me in the correct direction?
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14:44<turf>thx avtobiff
14:44<avtobiff>i thought it was some clever hack... DEB-U :-)
14:44<avtobiff>turf, np
14:44<turf>is there any debian distro which can run this crap ?
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14:44<Alpha6>No, just extra debug messages lol
14:44<avtobiff>Alpha6, sorry. my installations have always worked :-(
14:44<turf>i don"t want to go back to kubuntu
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14:45<avtobiff>or... well. no they haven't actually but i dont think i know anything that can help you.
14:45<Alpha6>And I would like to get rid of Fedora -_-
14:45*turf addicted to dru... compiz-fusion
14:45<avtobiff>yeah. fedora is a pita
14:45<Alpha6>Outdated packages, few packages slow installation commands....
14:45<turf>crap ...
14:46<Alpha6>avtobiff, could you point me to some sort of bugzilla or something where I can report this? Or should this be done on the mailing lists?
14:46<avtobiff>Alpha6, does the installation boot at all?
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14:46<avtobiff>Alpha6, what are you booting from (media)?
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14:49<Alpha6>I'm booting from the netinst cd-rom. The iso is located on my disk and I'm starting it with the hd-media kernel.
14:49<Alpha6>The installation boots
14:49<Alpha6>The exact same setup (qua files) worked in Qemu....
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14:59<Alpha6>I sended a mail to the mailinglists, let's hope for the best. I cannot create a bugreport since I don't have the bugreport program cuz I'm stuck with Fedora >.<
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14:59<voraistos>Hi everybody :)
15:00<Alpha6>anyway, thanks for the help avtobiff :)
15:00<voraistos>Do you have any experience with framebuffer ?
15:00<voraistos>i have an intel (laptop) graphics card and intelfb seems not to be that good -regarding fancy res.-
15:01<voraistos>so i thought about eventually using uvesafb
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15:01<voraistos>unless someone knows better of course :)
15:01<voraistos>the point is to get a widescreen resolution of 1280x800
15:01<Alpha6>uvesafb is still in development and requires a userspace daemon. I don't know if debian has this userspace daemon. I think you should use vesafb
15:02<voraistos>hmm but vesafb doesnt support that resolution, does it ?
15:02<Alpha6>That is a module inside the kernel and it should work with all Vesa 2.0 compliant cards. You can get anything you want except for the refresh rate which is a fixed 60 herz
15:02<Alpha6>Don't know
15:02<Alpha6>Let me check
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15:03<Alpha6>Nope, no widescreen. U were right
15:03<Alpha6>Let me check uvesafb
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15:05<Alpha6>I think it supports it but ONLY if the kernel does accept it.
15:05<Alpha6>I read:
15:05<Alpha6>2. Caveats and limitations
15:05<Alpha6>- A strict and limited set of supported video modes. Often the native
15:05<Alpha6>37 or most optimal resolution/refresh rate for your setup will not work
15:05<Alpha6>38 with uvesafb, simply because the Video BIOS doesn't support the
15:05<Alpha6>39 video mode you want to use. This can be especially painful with
15:05<Alpha6>40 widescreen panels, where native video modes don't have the 4:3 aspect
15:05<Alpha6>41 ratio, which is what most BIOS-es are limited to.
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15:06<voraistos>hmm thats not ver nice mr. bot
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15:06<Alpha6>I can't post much it seems, check this link;
15:06<voraistos>ok. nice to see you back :)
15:06<voraistos>thank you :)
15:06<Alpha6>I got kicked lol
15:06<turf>okay !
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15:06<turf>i finally got it ^^
15:07<Alpha6>I think you should go for vesafb since it's a lot less hassle.
15:07<turf>with the shame repositories i find all i need
15:07<Alpha6>Are you using it for your terminal? Or do you have to use it for X as well ?
15:07<turf>( to do what i need to do ... )
15:07<Alpha6>nice turf :)
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15:08<voraistos>Alpha6 i want to use it for terminal and vesafb- based apps.
15:08<voraistos>Alpha6 i am trying to build something similar to dell media direct
15:08<Alpha6>What are vesafb- apps ?
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15:08<voraistos>apps that play dvds without an x server for example :)
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15:09<Alpha6>ow ok :D
15:09<voraistos>err.. btw i didnt mean vesafb but directfb :P
15:10<voraistos>and if your apps dont support directfb, you can still use xdirectfb
15:10<Alpha6>Here is the documentation for directfb
15:10<Alpha6>There is no documentation for it sorry :P
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15:11<voraistos>oh yes there is
15:11<Alpha6>But no *official* in the kernel source....
15:11<voraistos>directfb is a library
15:12<voraistos>that makes use of the framebuffer driver
15:12<turf>later :)
15:12<voraistos>cya :)
15:12<Alpha6>bye turf
15:12<turf>thx fot the help
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15:12<turf>( or not :p )
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15:12<voraistos>they have full api documentation for directfb
15:13<Alpha6>Well, since the framebuffer is standard interface that abstracts the video-cards inner memory. I think you should go for uvesafb. Otherwise you will get a *very* ugly screen.
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15:13<voraistos>shit they have an advert on tv for curl
15:13<Alpha6>However, you must have the userspace daemon
15:13<voraistos>and i was like wtf ? but it was some geney maybeline stuff :P
15:14<Alpha6>lol :P
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15:14<voraistos>what do you mean userspace daemon ?
15:14<voraistos>for udirectfb ?
15:14<voraistos>uvesafb* sorry:P
15:14<Alpha6>uvesafb requires that you run a userspace deamon. vesafb does not.
15:14<voraistos>oh yes
15:15<voraistos>but thats only because my graphics card sucks
15:15<voraistos>well, no, the fb driver does
15:15<Alpha6>I don't know if that is in debian (and if stuff keeps like this I will never know lol)
15:15<voraistos>bah, i can compile it from source and do the old fashioned way
15:16<voraistos>./configure, make, make install. always works :P
15:16<Alpha6>Then uvesafb is your framebuffer :)
15:16<Alpha6>lol, correct :P
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15:16<voraistos>seems so :)
15:16<Alpha6>Always try to get it from the debian repo's first!
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15:16<voraistos>yep :)
15:17<Alpha6>Well, I gotta go know. Seems like I'm stuck with Fedora lol . I will wait till Lenny is released and try again :)
15:17<Alpha6>bye :)
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15:17<voraistos>bye :)
15:17*voraistos apt-gets install kernel-package patch
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15:25<ali28>i erased my /var directory, i copyed it over from a machine that is similar (both etch with a desktop envyronment) and now i'm having problems like dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libzvt2' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
15:25<ali28>they are warning since i can install and remove software
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15:28<insider->which are the modules for my prism2 pcmcia?
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15:28<alt>hi all. I've noticed what I consider odd behaviour in debian 4.0. It would seem that when one types "route -n" there is no route through the loopback device.
15:29<alt>is this a new thing or is something amiss?
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15:38<maspix>hi I'm using etch right now and am having a networking problem. I am pinging google and getting a 18.4 ms round trip time, but when I try to wget or use epiphany it takes upwards of 30-40 seconds. I notice the same lagtime when I am trying to connect via ssh as well. I originally suspected that it had to do with my virtual interfaces on my NIC, but even after disabling them via ifdown it's still slow.
15:38<maspix>It's also slow when I try to ssh into the box on the local network.
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15:40<avtobiff>maspix, maybe a dns problem?
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15:40<alt>yeah. that's what I'd look at
15:41<maspix>Okay, thank you; I'll take a look at it.
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15:41<alt>maspix: try using opendns
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15:51<maspix>Alright, switching to OpenDNS worked.. but I really am not sure why it did work. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be so slow to begin with and a DNS shift helped?
15:52<maspix>I just have approximately 60 hosts on this network and this is the first time I've ever seen it.
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15:55<voraistos>does the debian kernel config file come in the linux-source package ?
15:56<dondelelcaro>voraistos: it comes in the Debian kernel binary packages.
15:56<witte>voraistos: I am not sure if it does, but it is /boot/config-2.6.18... when you install using linux-image-2.6.18..., so you can use that config file as your .config
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16:01<alt>maspix: probably your primary nameserver was down
16:03<alt>using dig can help you with that
16:03<alt>'dig @ipaddress'
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16:05<voraistos>dondelcaro, witte, thank you :)
16:06<maspix>alt: thanks. I just found it weird since none of the other debian boxes I have running have had an issue. I forgot about dig though, shame on me. :(
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16:06<pwncore>hello all
16:07<voraistos>err... just to be sure, the .config goes in /usr/src/linux directly, right ?
16:07<witte>voraistos: right :-)
16:08<witte>voraistos: but as that is a symlink normally, you change it when you get new sources
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16:08<pwncore>ok, this is weird
16:08<pwncore>i have heartbeat installed
16:09<pwncore>but when i try to examine its contents with dpkg it tells me it's not on my system
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16:09<pwncore>nm, it's heartbeat-2
16:11<voraistos>witte, thank you. actually i think th symlink is not necessary for 2.6 kernels :)
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16:15<pwncore>ok why do i have both 2.6.18-6 and 2.6.18-5
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16:20<witte>pwncore: 2.6.18-6 has some updates, and you did not uninstall 2.6.18-5
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16:21<pwncore>how do i know if i can get usb to work without downgrading to linux 2.4
16:21<pwncore>witte: ah thanks
16:21<pwncore>witte: how do i uninstall it
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16:22<epilido>after doing multiple updates over the years. I find that / is full /home is in another partition and i have done autoclean of the apt repositories. I wouldnt think that / should fill 6 gig where can i trim the unused space???
16:22<witte>pwncore: apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-5
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16:23<witte>pwncore: and usb will work normally on 2.6 and not necessarily on 2.4
16:23<maspix>epilido: have you run the du yet?
16:23<pwncore>Reading package lists... Done
16:23<pwncore>Building dependency tree... Done
16:23<pwncore>E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.18-5
16:23<pwncore>it's in grub though...
16:23<witte>pwncore: probably there is a -686 behind the "5"
16:23<pwncore>ah right, that's the one
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16:23<witte>pwncore: dpkg -l |grep linux-image
16:24<pwncore>yeah i just did something similar and found that out
16:24<epilido>du gives me every file. I was wondering if there was a collection area that i should target
16:24<pwncore>witte: here's my problem with usb
16:24<pwncore>i'm on a thinkpad a31 with a trackpoint and an external usb mouse
16:24<pwncore>i also use an mp3 player and a palm on usb
16:25<pwncore>my trackpoint works in both gpm and X and my usb mouse doesn't
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16:25<pwncore>but my usb mouse draws power sometimes. not right now, but it probably will if i switch the usb ports
16:25<pwncore>and if i plug my mp3 player in it draws power as well
16:25<pwncore>but neither one seems to be recognized by the system
16:25<maspix>epilido: sorry I meant df. Regardless: how do you have your partitions setup?
16:26<epilido>1 drive / root partition swap and home partition
16:26<epilido> root is 6 gig
16:26<epilido>rest in home and swap
16:27<pwncore>oh and i'll want to use a flash drive too, haven't tried that in linux yet
16:27<epilido>df shows full /
16:27<maspix>I would check for unneeded stuff in /usr
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16:28<epilido>yeah I have a lot of old kernel headers. can I just remove the old headers with apt- or is there some auto way to clean
16:29<witte>pwncore: that laptop is not brand new is it?
16:29<maspix>epilido: Sorry, I'm not sure if there is a way to do that, but I am assuming apt would work.
16:29<pwncore>not at all
16:29<pwncore>it's about 4 years old i think
16:29<witte>pwncore: ok, in that case, it should work
16:29<witte>epilido: apt-get autoclean
16:29<pwncore>well yeah it should
16:29<pwncore>but it doesn't
16:30<pwncore>sorry, i was up all last night trying to figure it out
16:30<witte>pwncore: install usbutils
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16:30<pwncore>says: usbutils is already the newest version.
16:31<epilido>it seems that apt-get autoclean only gets rid of downloaded .debs is there a way to get rid of the previous kernesl that I am no longer using
16:31<witte>pwncore: can you upload the output of lsusb to a pastebin (with the different usb devices plugged)
16:31<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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16:31<pwncore>witte: sure, lemme collect all the devices
16:31<witte>epilido: kernels you have to remove by hand
16:31<witte>pwncore: or at least the devices that give you troubles
16:31<pwncore>that would be all of them ;)
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16:33<pwncore>ok witte
16:33<pwncore>basically no matter what i do
16:33<pwncore>and this was true last night as well
16:33<pwncore>lsusb looks like this
16:33<pwncore>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
16:33<pwncore>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
16:33<pwncore>Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
16:33<witte>pwncore: don't paste here
16:34<witte>use a paster
16:34<pwncore>the three lines is ok right
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16:34<pwncore>seems like a lot of trouble to go to for three lines, i'm using lynx and it's kind of a pain
16:34<pwncore>but yeah ok
16:34<pwncore>anyway, i plugged my flash drive in and did lsusb and it looked like that
16:34<pwncore>then i switched them. now my usb mouse is pulling power, my flash drive is showing no signs of recognition, and lsusb looks the same
16:34<witte>pwncore: depends on debhelper :-)
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16:35<pwncore>oh the bot
16:35<witte>the number of lines you can paste, it will kick you automatically if it is to much
16:35<pwncore>it's 4 or more, i found out last night
16:35<witte>pwncore: the good old trial and error method
16:35<pwncore>3 is ok, i've been pasting lsusb a lot
16:35<pwncore>lol yep
16:35<witte>pwncore: can you upload your dmesg to a paster
16:36<pwncore>anyway, my gpm and config files look exactly like those of fpiat, who has a newer thinkpad with a trackpoint, a usb mouse AND a trackpad and they all work
16:36<witte>use the pipe
16:36<witte>!pastebin pipe
16:36<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
16:36<pwncore>that's easier
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16:36<witte>probably easier when you are in text mode
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16:42<witte>pwncore: you have a lot of "device descriptor read/64, error -71" errors
16:42<pwncore>yes i do
16:42<witte>pwncore: can you upload the output of lspci and lsmod as well?
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16:43<witte>pwncore: i frankly have no idea why they are there, or what they mean, i am googling on that error, but did not find anything useful yet
16:43<pwncore>i haven't had much luck googling it either
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16:45<witte>pwncore: are you sure the hardware is ok?
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16:45<witte>pwncore: did it work with knoppix or ubuntu live cd or with windows?
16:46<fpiat>pwncore, Hi.
16:46<pwncore>fpiat: hello
16:46<pwncore>witte: windows yes
16:46<pwncore>ubuntu no
16:46<pwncore>knoppix, haven't tried
16:46<tweakt>any kernel people around? I'm trying to use inotify as a regular user but get ENOSPC regardless of what fs.inotify.max_user_instances is set to...
16:46<epilido>is there a way it list the size of the contents of directories to see which are large or small. my /usr/lib is over 1 gig
16:46<tweakt>works fine as root :-(
16:46<tweakt>epilido: du -hs <dir>/*
16:47<witte>pwncore: ok, if it works on windows, it should work in linux as well,
16:47<fpiat>pwncore, just a quick comment. Could you undock your laptop ?
16:47<fpiat>pwncore, Did usb worked with the dock under windows ?
16:48<fpiat>pwncore, Do you still use an external USB hub ?
16:48<pwncore>fpiat: yeah it works iwth the dock in windows
16:48<pwncore>and i have a usb hub but i've given up on it for now
16:48<pwncore>i've been told that i can undock the laptop if i turn it off
16:48<pwncore>i don't quite believe it but i could try it if nobody has any ideas
16:48<pwncore>witte: yeah i know :(
16:49<fpiat>pwncore, I meant did you find you key back ;)
16:49<pwncore>apparently we don't have a key to it anymore
16:49<pwncore>tell you what, i'll turn it off and try undocking it, and then i'll report back
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16:51<fpiat>witte, Do you think that pwncore's problem are more likely due to hardware problem, PCI irq, or something else ?
16:52<witte>fpiat: i don't know, there are a lot of errors like his on the web "device descriptor read/64", but i don't know how to solve it
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16:53<fpiat>witte, humm...
16:53<epilido>I have a folder in /usr/src called linux-source-2.6.12 apt says linux-source 2.6.12 not installed. I am running a newer kernel is it safe to delete this folder
16:54<witte>epilido: yes, you can delete it
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16:57<fpiat>witte, what about even though the post is a bit old..
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16:58<alk3_>anyone know if i can patch a debian 2.6.18 kernel to work like one of the backported images?
16:58<witte>fpiat: i have been looking at that one myself, and i am not sure, but i think it is probably his best shot
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16:58<witte>alk3_: what do you mean with patch?
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16:59<fpiat>witte, actually, on my system, it's already set to "N" ;( @2.6.22
17:00<witte>fpiat: ah, so you think it is not needed?
17:00<fpiat>witte, it might be already applied... we'll check.
17:00<witte>maybe he should get a newer kernel, but his hardware certainly is not new, so I am not sure that this would do any good
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17:02<fpiat>witte, his laptop (a31, IIRC) is much older than that... but why not.
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17:03<pwncore>good news and bad news
17:03<witte>fpiat: well, he can try, but i am not sure it would work. In any case, 2.6.18 should work on a IBM/lenovo laptop of 4 years old, without much problems with that
17:04<fpiat>witte, I didn't see the second part of the Mepis post... it says to set it to "Y" ;)
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17:04<witte>pwncore: ah, you are back
17:04<pwncore>good news: usb devices work fine plugged straight into the laptop
17:04<pwncore>bad news: the laptop turns off after five minutes on the battery :(
17:04<alt>anyone put debian onto an Eee?
17:04<bighornram>Is there a deb for filezilla client?
17:04<pwncore>bighornram: yep
17:04<pwncore>it should be in the apt-get repository
17:04<pwncore>called filezilla iirc
17:04<witte>alt: there is a debian eee group
17:04<bighornram>sorry, filezilla ftp client
17:04<pwncore>iirc means if i recall correctly
17:04<pwncore>the file is called filezilla
17:05<alt>witte: sweet. thanks :)
17:05<alt>I really should get another one. I need this one for work.
17:05<fpiat>pwncore, can't you plug the AC ?
17:06<witte>pwncore: so it is kind of solved :-/
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17:07<fpiat>bighornram, I use (a firefox plugin )
17:07<pwncore>i have no idea where the ac adapter is
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17:07<pwncore>fpiat: are you aware of any bios settings that determine how long the battery stays on or something
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17:07<pwncore>in the thinkpad
17:07<chuy_max>hi, I'm using fuseiso to mount a .img dvd image, I have to mount it as root, however, I can't access the mount point without super user privileges, how can I change that?
17:08<fpiat>pwncore, Yes, but for inactivity only. and it's overridden by Linux's ACPI.
17:08<pwncore>the nit sounds like my battery's fried...but i just got it within the last year
17:09<fpiat>pwncore, even with a dead battery,; it shouldn't suspend.
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17:09<pwncore>fpiat: it actually just completely turns off
17:09<pwncore>and i can't turn it back on
17:10<maspix>alt: I know this is off-topic but <3 Eee's :)
17:10<fpiat>can you run "tail -f /var/log/acpid" on a root terminal
17:10<fpiat>pwncore, to monitor what's happening.
17:11<pwncore>i'm plugged into the docking station though, will it help?
17:11<fpiat>pwncore, how are the current power leds ?
17:11<pwncore>well the battery led is green for charging/charged
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17:12<fpiat>pwncore, I thought you were on battery
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17:13<fpiat>pwncore, /var/log/acpid show acpi message (you can have a look later).
17:13<pwncore>have a look later?
17:13<pwncore>if i go on the battery it turns off before i finish booting linux
17:13<pwncore>-bash: /var/log/acpid: Permission denied
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17:14<alt>maspix: I love it too :)
17:14<fpiat>pwncore, ... needs to be root
17:14<alt>there's another UMPC that has an actual hard drive.
17:15<alt>I want one of those too
17:15<pwncore>i am root
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17:17<maspix>alt: Honestly I just use one of several of my externals. The hard drive being so small makes you not use up space as fast, plus it's also a flashback to way back in the day when 4 gigs was hot stuff. ;)
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17:19<alt>maspix: <-- that sucker
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17:19<alt>hee hee @4G
17:19<alt>I remember those days
17:19<alt>seriously though, I use mine as a portable diagnostics PC. I just wish they'd put in 800x600 screens. that 800x480 is just too small. :\
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17:20<alt>if I have to haul around a PC at a site, I'll just haul the Eee around.
17:20<fpiat>pwncore, I'll have to go... here's a few tips :
17:20<alt>gets some interesting looks
17:20<alt>people are quite curious about it.
17:20<maspix>Yeah, I should be getting commissions for selling them.
17:20<fpiat>pwncore, run "tail -f /var/log/acpid" on a root terminal
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17:20<maspix>I've had 6 people buy them based on my recommendation/demo
17:20<alt>hee hee
17:20<fpiat>pwncore, for your USB we had three ideas :
17:21<fpiat>pwncore, 1. =>
17:21<fpiat>pwncore, 2. =>
17:21<maspix>I wish I could find a better VNC client to work with the Eee though.
17:21<fpiat>pwncore, 3. => upgrade your kernel
17:21<maspix>tightvncviewer is sort of garbage that small
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17:22<ali28>sorry for the silly question, how is a regex to say " everything in between of > < ? thanks
17:22<fpiat>see you.
17:22<witte>pwncore: although 2 probably wont work as you do not have ehci_hcd loaded...
17:22<alt>ali28: >.*?< (might have to escape the < > )
17:23<alt>the '.*?' is non-greedy so it'll match the fewest chars possible between the ><
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17:27<pwncore>witte: i actually thought i had both ehci and uhci loaded
17:28<pwncore>i set udev to blacklist ehci
17:28<pwncore>so it wouldn't get in uhci's way
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17:28<pwncore>i can take ehci off the blacklist and put uhci on it and it'll work right?
17:28<darsie>hi! Probably aften an upgrade enigmail no longer works. How can I activate it? The buttons/menu in icedove are missing.
17:29<pwncore>i hate how unforgiving lynx is with bad SQL code, and i hate how links/elinks makes me press enter to fill in a form
17:29<witte>pwncore: ah, i am not sure, i thought you had only uhci in the lsmod you showed me earlier, but there is no harm in trying, i am not sure which one you need
17:29<darsie>pwncore: I didn't know lynx was a SQL interpreter. Do you mean HTML?
17:30<pwncore>darsie: no, maybe I mean SGML though
17:30<pwncore>but like
17:30<pwncore>when i go to a website with a bunch of cookies a lot of times it'll say like "Bad SQL[SGML?] certificate: /?=login. Accept? (y)" or some shit like that
17:30<pwncore>and i have to watch the damn thing and keep pressing y or enter when i want it to just load so i can flip to another tty and come back to it later
17:31<pwncore>witte: btw can i upgrade the kernel with apt-get or do i have to compile it
17:31<witte>pwncore: do you use etch?
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17:32<pwncore>witte: yes
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17:32<witte>pwncore: in that case you probably would need backports in case you want to use apt-get (/msg dpkg backports)
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17:33<pwncore>do i need an assload of module packages too
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17:33<pwncore>or will it work with the modules i already have installed
17:34<witte>pwncore: i do not know which things you have done now to your kernel...
17:35<pwncore>this is a pretty fresh install
17:35<Aleric>Normally kernel modules are kernel version specific (installed in /lib/modules/<kernel version>).
17:35<pwncore>any modules and stuff just come from packages that came with the install
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17:36<Aleric>There are no kernel module pacakges, they are part of the kernel package (linux-image)
17:36<witte>pwncore: in that case i do not think you will need anything special
17:36<pwncore>ah ok
17:36<Aleric>An exception is nvidia-kernel, if you have that.
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17:36<witte>Aleric: there are some, mainly for wifi (and now that you mention nvidia)
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17:37<pwncore>i don't have wifi or nvidia hardware
17:37<pwncore>so i think i'm ok
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17:38<Aleric>oops = wrong window
17:39<silent>the gnome applet that shows is there a way to specify desired clock speed? I can see the cpu scale with the gnome cpu frequency applet, but I'm wondering if there is a way to specify max/min clocks
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17:51<pwncore>...huh, there's no debian package for the latest kernel update
17:52<witte>pwncore: the latest for etch is 2.6.18, that is why i mentioned backports ;-)
17:52<themill>pwncore: which latest kernel update?
17:52<pwncore>i'm doing the backports
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17:52<pwncore>oh right it's got like -image-i686 on the end huh
17:52<pwncore>or something like that
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17:53<witte>pwncore: linux-image-2.6-686
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17:54<pwncore>that's the one! thanks
17:54<pwncore>sorry i'm really rusty
17:54<pwncore>until i set up this install it had been some 5 years since i'd last used linux at all
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17:54<pwncore>gpg: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory
17:54<pwncore>gpg: Signature made Mon 04 Feb 2008 01:26:02 AM PST using DSA key ID 58B1181E
17:54<pwncore>gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
17:55<witte>pwncore: look at the topic ;-)
17:55<pwncore>woah, 4.0r3
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17:55<pwncore>i'm going to have to do apt-get upgrade huh
17:56<pwncore>since i added the testing and unstable sites to my sources.list will it upgrade me to sid or something
17:56<witte>pwncore: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ==> yes
17:56<witte>pwncore: ah, don't do that, remove them before the update/upgrade
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17:57<pwncore>feck i'll never get this usb thing working
17:57<pwncore>screw it i'm going to upgrade my kernel first'
17:57<octoserver>how do i give a user I made, a user ID of "admin" ?
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17:59<witte>octoserver: are you sure you want this? I think you want sudo, and possibly make your user member of a admin (sometimes in linux "wheel") group
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17:59<dpkg>sudo is probably (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
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18:00<chealer>dpkg: weird-key
18:00<octoserver>witte: well, im going through some exercises in a book, ad they wanted me to make a user called administrator with a ID of admin, but all you can do is put numbers in the UID ?
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18:01<chealer>ops: ^^
18:01<octoserver>witte: i dont get what they are talking about lol
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18:02<witte>octoserver: ah, it is just as an exercise :). But i do not know what you mean with "a ID of admin" as the real admin in linux is root, and you will never want to give your use the same id
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18:02<pwncore>whoops, i started installing the binaries for the new kernel
18:03<pwncore>i was wondering why all those things were being deleted
18:03<themill>chealer: yeah, noticed that one a while ago. Someone hit the line limit.
18:03<pwncore>well i don't think they're being used...and they said they wer being deleted because they weren't being used, anyway
18:03<witte>octoserver: i think they want you to make a administrator user, and that user, member of admin group?
18:03<chealer>themill: oh
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18:03<chealer>dpkg: factinfo weird-key
18:03<dpkg>there's no such factoid as weird-key, chealer
18:03<themill>chealer: used to be weird-keyboard-layout, iirc
18:04<dpkg>methinks weird-keyboard-layout is You want to look at
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18:05<Franki>I'm curretnly trying to compile something. ./configure tells me itneeds the header slang.h which isn't installed on my system yet. Unfortunately, both libslang1-dev nad libslang2-dev contain this header file. Now which one should i chose?
18:05<octoserver>witte: yea, they are saying that normally you dont even want to log onto the sys as root unless you are recovering files and crap, and to make your first user account named Administrator and give it s user ID of admin
18:06<themill>Franki: depends on whether you're going to be compiling against slang version 1 or 2. Your sources should specify this in an INSTALL or README file.
18:06<octoserver>witte: i dont think the guy writing this crap knows what he is doing lol
18:06<Aleric>Franki: Try libslang2-dev that one is the newest.
18:06<chealer>themill: ah, that should be downgraded anyway
18:06<octoserver>witte: i thikn it is supposed to be a non privliaged user that can just su ar root whenever needed
18:07<witte>octoserver: well, the thing he says about root is true, and that is why they invented su :-)
18:07<witte>sorry , sudo
18:07<octoserver>witte: so then why name then administrator, and it isnt even possible to make the user ID "admin" is it?
18:07<chealer>!ops please remove weird-key from topic (truncated, only affected unstable)
18:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: chealer complains about: please remove weird-key from topic (truncated, only affected unstable)
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18:07<witte>octoserver: it is possible, i just said i would not do it ;-)
18:08<abrotman>dpkg: weird-key
18:08<abrotman>dpkg: hi
18:08<dpkg>salut, abrotman
18:08<chealer>abrotman: according to themill the key is truncated, should be weird-keyboard-layout
18:08<themill>abrotman: it used to be weird-keyboard-layout. Someone hit the line limit when setting /topic
18:08<octoserver>witte: oh welll, do i have to use something other than kuser to set it like that?, I was supposed to do this duringthe install, but I didnt :)
18:08<abrotman>chealer: it's truncated for me .. obviously
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18:09<witte>octoserver: you could use kuser to do so i guess
18:09<witte>octoserver: but i really would advise you to use sudo :-)
18:10<octoserver>witte: i know but im jsut trying to follow instructions for now untill i can see what the guy is up to and make it more normal
18:10<octoserver>witte: ill be setting up a bunck of servers and crap too using this account so, you know how it is lol
18:11<abrotman>themill: it was someone's client i think .. do you want me to add it back or just take it out altogether ? used to have | /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout | /ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
18:11<Franki>Aleric: thanks
18:11<chealer>abrotman: you're an op now :)
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18:11<abrotman>chealer: yes
18:11<octoserver>witte: kuser wont even let me type text in the UID box
18:11<witte>octoserver: I do not really have a bunch of servers :P
18:11*themill noted the inclusion of abrotman on !ops and took pity on him....
18:11<abrotman>i'll just try to add it back
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18:12-!-abrotman changed the topic of #debian to: 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg weird-key-layout | /ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
18:12<@abrotman>better ?
18:12-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
18:12<themill>works for me
18:12<octoserver>witte: do you know how i can make a users ID "admin" ? :)
18:12<abrotman>seems to be an experimental bug .. but whatever
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18:12<chealer>dpkg: weird-key-layout
18:12<abrotman>it's been there for three weeks
18:12<themill>abrotman: /topic is probably sufficiently long as to prevent people from reading it, but hey, they don't anyway
18:12<abrotman>oh ffs
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18:13<witte>octoserver: but i think you want to add them to the root/admin group, not making their id the same, that would be stupid?
18:13<dpkg>methinks weird-keyboard-layout is You want to look at
18:13-!-abrotman changed the topic of #debian to: 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout | /ignore #debian JOINS,PARTS,QUITS
18:13<Franki>themill: sure, unfortunately, the source "reads" as it is possible to compile it against both versions. The problem is that I'm just so undecided :)
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18:13<abrotman>better ? :)
18:13<octoserver>witte: or is this guy saying the persons name is Administrator with a User login called "admin" ?
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18:13<themill>Franki: then you may as well pick the latest and greatest, I guess. No reason not to.
18:14<chealer>abrotman: nah, it's there since autumn 2007. it only "affected" (seriously) unstable, it should really be removed. I did it on #debian-kde a few weeks ago.
18:14<witte>octoserver: you are reading the book, and that sounds like more reasonable than taking uid 0 for a non-root user :-)
18:14<octoserver>witte: this but head is using debian too, so youd think the terminology would b correct lol
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18:14<abrotman>chealer: oh .. i didn't know it had been there that long .. it's not in the FN topic
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18:14<themill>can't say that I've ever seen a question about it though...
18:15<octoserver>witte: yea, but i cant even use a UID of 0 for another user because it is already used for root it said :)
18:15<witte>octoserver: I can't tell, i do not know what you are reading, maybe the thing he intended is ok, but you misinterpreted it?
18:15<abrotman>chealer: can you tell who added it ?
18:15<octoserver>witte: true, that is most likely the storry lol
18:16<witte>octoserver: well, that is obvious, the pc only uses numeric values and puts a name on it afterwards, you would give one user ("0") two names: root and administrator, which would be really not good
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18:17<chealer>abrotman: I could check my logs if you ask me to, but I'm 99.99% sure it should be removed.
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18:17<abrotman>chealer: seems to still be open
18:17<witte>octoserver: like you first mentioned it, i thought the book told you you had to add the user to the root group, which still was not very wise, but possible
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18:18<chealer>abrotman: yes, it's still open but it should be downgraded back to non-RC. if you want to, you can scan the log and you'll understand.
18:18<abrotman>it's still Grave
18:19<themill>!blame hal
18:19*dpkg blames bl4de and hal for the end of the Internet as we know it
18:19<chealer>abrotman: yes... but it should be downgraded to < serious
18:19<abrotman>chealer: do it!
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18:19<octoserver>yea, later on the next page, he is talking about loging into it from another computer using ssh and the prompt says $ssh, so obviouly the user login should be called"admin"
18:20<abrotman>eegads .. i'm looking around on a website .. they seem to mix ASP.NET and CF pages throughout the site
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18:20<dnet>hey, im trying to install the latest debian testing iso and everything goes smooth till i try to install grub, at wich point it spits out the failed to install grub to /target/ error...any advice?
18:20<octoserver>not administrator where he says name your first user account, "administrator"
18:20<chealer>abrotman: eh, there's a problem with my access to the BTS so I'd rather not for now, but I'd do it if the situation was normal.
18:21<abrotman>chealer: did they block you for closing bugs on KDE? :)
18:21<octoserver>witte: lol, well im just going to use my current user account instead. I thought he was tryigng to do something that maybe he isnt
18:21<chealer>abrotman: they did exclude me...though they won't explain why.
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18:22<abrotman>okay then
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18:22<chealer>abrotman:'s a long story
18:22<witte>octoserver: ok, i am glad the book is more or less correct ;-)
18:22<abrotman>chealer: i blame KDE .. but what else is new :)
18:23<octoserver>witte: the UID numbers to mean somthing though dont they? like my curent user is 1000, and when i went to make another one, it was going to give it 500. Do you know a little about what the numbers mean for UID ?
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18:24<chealer>abrotman: I'd find some way to get that back against GNOME, but with your new status on the channel...I'll keep quiet :)
18:24<witte>octoserver: each user needs a different one, 0 is for root, everything below a certain number (on some systems/distributions 500, on some others 1000) is for special users, above is for normal users
18:24<abrotman>chealer: you can file bugs on games!
18:25<abrotman>speaking of ...
18:25<octoserver>witte: is there a difference between users that start at 1000 and users that start at 500 ?
18:25<witte>octoserver: but there should be better something better on the web (
18:25<chealer>abrotman: what do you mean?
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18:25<abrotman>chealer: oh .. you can't file bugs .. nevermind ..
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18:25<abrotman>chealer: it seems lincity-ng makes the same "random" map no matter what
18:25<octoserver>witte: ok, it seems the first user maybe has the ability to use su, but other users creates after that that start at 500 maybe dont? Thanks for the link :)
18:25<dondelelcaro>you can, actually, you just can't modify them using control.
18:26<chealer>abrotman: I can file bugs and close them, but not do any other triaging.
18:26<witte>octoserver: like wikipedia says, 500 is the red hat default, 1000 the debian one, for the rest nothing special
18:26<abrotman>chealer: oh
18:26<witte>octoserver: everyone can use su i guess
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18:26-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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18:27<octoserver>witte: oh ok, i just made an assumtion that is no doubt premature lol
18:27<witte>hehe, quick dubble ops action :P
18:27<themill>!win dondelelcaro
18:27<dpkg>Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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18:28<abrotman>nothing wrong with a dubbel
18:29<dondelelcaro>tripels are better, though.
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18:29<chealer>abrotman: never played it. I didn't play sincity since...well, since I started coding :)
18:29<abrotman>just go all the way for a quad
18:29<witte>dondelelcaro: are you talking about the beers :-)
18:29<themill>Might struggle to find that many ops around at the same time though....
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18:31<dondelelcaro>witte: of course
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18:31<pwncore>ok, i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and it did nothing
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18:32<pwncore>how do i upgrade to 4.0r3
18:32<abrotman>pwncore: \\
18:32<abrotman>pwncore: what are your sources?
18:32<witte>dondelelcaro: ah, a connoisseur of better things in life :-)
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18:33<witte>pwncore: if nothing downloaded, you have 4.0r3
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18:33<pwncore>i'm positive i have 4.0r2
18:33<witte>pwncore: at least if you have the security and normal etch repositories
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18:34<abrotman>pwncore: what is your libc6 version?
18:34<pwncore>it replaced libc6 with some super new thing since i just upgraded my kernel
18:34<pwncore>i think
18:35<abrotman>pwncore: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
18:35<pwncore>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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18:36<abrotman>pwncore: not up to date
18:36<witte>pwncore: try a dist-upgrade then
18:36<themill>pwncore: do you want to pastebin your sources.list
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18:37<abrotman>pwncore: show us your sources.list
18:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:37<pwncore>ah, that'sit
18:37<pwncore>abrot: it's the cd and the etch thigns
18:37<pwncore>i was just using upgrdae and not dist-upgrade
18:37<pwncore>actually dist-upgrade didn't do anything either
18:37<pwncore>hang on
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18:38<T00L>hello, how can I get a struktur about the memory with all Pages and the code map entry?
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18:38<abrotman>pwncore: it's possible your mirror hasn't synced yet
18:38<pwncore>ah ok
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18:38<T00L>I need just now how many Pages and the size of all pages on the memory and the complete informations about the core map entry
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18:39<witte>pwncore: didn't you tell me earlier you were using backports for your new kernel?
18:39<pwncore>i was going to
18:39<pwncore>then i went ahead and installed the binaries
18:39<pwncore>i realized my mistake only after i started the install process
18:39<pwncore>i'm in my new kernel btw
18:39<kurumin589>ola alguem fala portugues
18:39<T00L>any reference in proc?
18:39<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:39<pwncore>and it doesn't work
18:39<kurumin589>como eu mudo de canal
18:39<pwncore>so i guess i need to give up on it and use my ac adapter
18:39<abrotman>pwncore: maybe add another mirror
18:40<pwncore>where can i find a list of mirrors again?
18:40<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
18:40<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see, or
18:40<replikator>necesito ayuda con la instalacion de una tarjeta de video nvidia geforce 7300 gt
18:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:41<dpkg>i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list
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18:41<pwncore>oh yeah how do i rename a directory
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18:42<alt>pwncore: "mv"
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18:42<pwncore>i see
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18:54<Franki>anyone interested?
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18:54<pwncore>ok wtf, whenever i add another mirror to my sources.list and then try to update, apt-get says it can't get it
18:54<pwncore>the list i mean
18:55<pwncore>and usc still hasn't gotten 4.0r3
18:56<pwncore>Franki: cool
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19:12<DaCapn>if I installed the proprietary nvidia driver, then performed a dist-upgrade, I'd need to reinstall it right?
19:12<Freak_>depends if your xserver or kernel got upgraded
19:13<pwncore>DaCapn: what mirror did you use
19:13<DaCapn>mirror for the nvidia driver?
19:13<pwncore>(that's to help me--my mirror hasn't upgraded to 4.0r3 and i can't seem to get apt-get to like any of the other ones i try)
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19:14<DaCapn>I downloaded the installer from the nvidia site and ran it
19:14<DaCapn>thanks Freak_
19:14<pwncore>i'm talking about 4.0r3
19:14<Freak_>DaCapn: np
19:14<pwncore>not your nvidia drivers
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19:16<DaCapn>the etch repos? I think I use etch main ...
19:17<Franki>pwncore: sorry, the upload corrupted the script somehow, here is a correct version
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19:17<carlao>boa noite
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19:18<pwncore>Failed to fetch Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '
19:18<pwncore>it's doing that for every mirror i try other than my usual one (
19:18<pwncore>and that is
19:19<Freak_>pwncore: I use
19:19<Freak_>try that, I just used it, works
19:19<pwncore>you sure it's http://ftp
19:19<pwncore>not ftp://ftp
19:19<Freak_>no, with http://
19:20<DaCapn>you can use either protocol
19:20<pwncore>neither one works for me
19:20<DaCapn>http is usually easier unless your location requires the use of a proxy
19:20<DaCapn>pwncore what is your entry exactly?
19:20<Freak_>I saw you used /dist, where I use /debian, I thought that might make a difference
19:21<pwncore>oh hey i think it's working
19:22<Freak_>what did you change?
19:22<themill>pwncore: s/dists/debian/ in your url
19:22<pwncore>Freak_: what themill said
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19:24<pwncore>so if i were to want to download, say, a whole bunch of .mpg files from one directory at a website, for some reason
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19:24<pwncore>how would i tell wget to grab all of them at once
19:24<pwncore>in one command i mean
19:24<themill>pwncore: if you have a list of URLs of an html page that links to them all, then look at either wget or curl
19:25<pwncore>i mean i'm using wget
19:26<pwncore>is there something easier than putting in the entire path of each file
19:26<pwncore>over and over again for each file
19:26<pwncore>in wget
19:26<themill>pwncore: look at the -i option to wget. Or if the filenames can be easily calculated, script it.
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19:27<pwncore>ok thanks
19:27<pwncore>yeah i don' tknow why i didn't think to just bang out a quick thing in python
19:28<Freak_>after I built a new kernel from source (with make-kpkg) I'm missing some modules and my cpu-monitor doesn't work anymore, does anyone know what I could've missed?
19:28<themill>pwncore: just use bash... when you have a big hammer in your hand, everything starts to look like a nail. Python is overkill for such things.
19:28<pwncore>i've never really done bash scripting
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19:30<themill>pwncore: It's well worth your time learning at least some rudimentary shell scripting.
19:31<abrotman>pwncore: wget has an option for a file list of URLs
19:31<themill>night all!
19:31<pwncore>abrotman: ah sweet thanks
19:31<chealer>DaCapn: nvidia-installer is not supported
19:31<pwncore>themill: gn
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19:32<herles>rwxr-x--x umask ?
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19:34<chealer>Freak_: what did you remove?
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19:34<chealer>Freak_: or change
19:35<herles>rwxr-x--x what umask?
19:36<Freak_>chealer: I didn't remove anything as far as I know
19:36<chealer>Freak_: so what did you change?
19:36<Freak_>I changed the processor arch from generic to c2d and the scheduler rules to desktop, that's it
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19:37<Freak_>but I think I figured it out, it's the modules' fault, not the kernel
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19:40<pwncore>hooray, upgraded
19:40<pwncore>4.0r3 with 2.6.18 :)
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19:41<pwncore>popping into x, bbiab
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19:48<ubd>can someone tell me how to check if acpi is working
19:48<ubd>i get acpi errors on startup
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20:12<DSL>i'm currently using DamnSmallLinux on a laptop and I wanted to know if anyone had found a torrent application that would run on DSL
20:14<SeveredCross>Anyone see a difference here?
20:14<DSL>is that a rhetorical question?
20:14<DSL>the channel is empty
20:15<Aleric>damn small channel
20:15<DSL>damn right
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20:18<epilido>didi a dist upgrade to the 2.6.24 kernel and mplayer segfaults with no other explanation
20:19<aevanczuk>can someone help me with Konversation?
20:19<aevanczuk>I don't know how to join a channel
20:19<aevanczuk>its IRC channel #rhythmbox
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20:20<AlexE>can someone help me with Konversation/IRC?
20:20<AlexE>I am trying to join a room
20:21<AlexE>its at #rhythmbox
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20:21<linuxguy>Hi could someone please tell what I should type in to install the nvidia drivers pleasse....thanks
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20:21<AlexE>linuxguy have you tried searching the synaptic package manager
20:22<linuxguy>alexf.....silly me...Ive just installed synaptic....never thought of looking there
20:22<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
20:23<AlexE>That works too Aleric :P
20:23<maxbrother>Hi I'm considering loading linux on one of my laptops, how do I know if Debian is the distribution I want
20:23<AlexE>maxbrother, what do you use your computer for
20:23<maxbrother>webdesign, surfing the net, nothing very high end
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20:24<AlexE>Well, I use Ubuntu (the latest one is 7.1 also called Gutsy Gibbon) and it is very user-friendly
20:24<AlexE>From what I have heard, Ubuntu is the most user-friendly distribution
20:24<AlexE>if you need some info on partitioning your drive or installing, just talk to me
20:24<Aleric>noob-friendly :p
20:24<AlexE> MSN or Crouching Lotus0 AIM
20:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:24<maxbrother>I'm also interesting in learning to use a distribution that isn't GUI
20:25<AlexE>you probably are looking for a different distribution, then
20:25<maxbrother>different than Debian or Ubuntu?
20:26<AlexE>Don't know, to be honest
20:26<AlexE>But I know Ubuntu is meant to be more user-friendly based
20:27<maxbrother>I thought I saw on the debian site a distribution that wasn't gui
20:27<AlexE>there are other debian-based distributions
20:27<AlexE>there is the server based ubuntu, which is more technical (but I believe still GUI? I am not sure)
20:27<AlexE>there is Xubuntu
20:27<AlexE>and Kubuntu, etc.
20:27<lupine_85>maxbrother: if you don't want a GUI, don't install one
20:28<AlexE>Max, let me give you a link hold on
20:28<lupine_85>there's nothing about Debian that makes it inherently GUI
20:28<maxbrother>right ok
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20:28<lupine_85>just don't install the 'desktop-environment' task
20:28<AlexE>Helps you choose your distribution
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20:28<maxbrother>cool Thanks!!
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20:32<maxbrother>ok the site recommended Ubuntu or openSuSE but only because I don't have previous experience with linux
20:32<AlexE>Is that for linux, epildo (though it might be a stupid question)
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20:32<AlexE>Maxbrother, it really comes down to what you think you need
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20:33<maxbrother>ok and how much of a learning curve I want to battle
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20:33<AlexE>Pretty much :D
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20:33<AlexE>I mean, for the average user I'd recommend Ubuntu, but maybe I am biased.
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20:34<AlexE>I am not pretending I am a linux expert here or anything... it is the only one I've used.
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20:34<maxbrother>fair enough
20:34<AlexE>are you running off windows?
20:35<maxbrother>when I decide on a distribution I'll be putting it on a windows laptop
20:36<AlexE>so you want to use linux for basic stuff and want stable functionality, but also want to experiment with a non-GUI based distribution?
20:36<AlexE>because if you don't know, Ubuntu has the "Terminal"
20:36<AlexE>which is the equivalent of MS-DOS
20:37<AlexE>a very powerful tool... I don't really know how to use it to be honest, but that is what I've heard.
20:37<AlexE>Though it is, of course, still a GUI interface
20:37<epilido>maxbrother just fire up a terminal in any distro and get typine. the gui will help you as you can surf the net and learn while typing in the terminal
20:37<maxbrother>yeah I want to learn how to use the terminal
20:38<maxbrother>Mac OSX uses linux terminal commands so I want to learn them to be able to use them on both
20:38<maxbrother>(my primary computer is a mac)
20:38<epilido>why not just learn them on the mac then?????
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20:39<maxbrother>because that is less fun!
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20:45<lupine_85>maxbrother: the only console command you need to know is man
20:45<lupine_85>and apropos
20:45<lupine_85>from there, you can learn everything you need
20:45<maxbrother>I know the man command
20:45<maxbrother>what is apropos?
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20:47<epilido>man apropos
20:47<maxbrother>ahh cool
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20:51<lupine_85>epilido: hehehe
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20:57<linuxguy>ok Ive now got the required driver....but when I try and install it through root @ terminal it says I have x server do I stop x server please?
20:58<dpkg>gdm is probably the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
20:59<Aleric>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
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20:59<linuxguy>I should of said earlier..I installed KDE version gnome on the pc
20:59<Aleric>Try xdm
20:59<Aleric>or kdm
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21:00<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user
21:00<linuxguy> i just type that in at root kdm or kdm stop?
21:01<Aleric>/etc/init.d/kdm stop will instantly kill X and anything running inside it.
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21:08<linuxguy>oh well back to the drawing to installiong the driver nicely but told me it needed to build a kernel...which I saaid was ok.....then it told me something was missing....something to do with "cc" and threw me out once i clicked on ok :(
21:10<Aleric>Do you have testing / lenny ?
21:10<linuxguy>I followed the link to the driver i needed to the 100.14.19 or something like that
21:11<linuxguy>Aleric.......I only know i have Debian Etch 4.02
21:12<Aleric>I suppose there are debian packages somewhere for etch
21:13<linuxguy>Aleric....Ive been trying to work out how to install those....but the site is such a mish mash of info its hard to navigate
21:14<Aleric>What kernel do you have?
21:14<Aleric>2.6.22-3-686 ?
21:15<linuxguy>I have this one 2.6.18-6-k7
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21:16<Aleric>That is on etch/non-free Packages
21:17<Aleric>Yes, it is.
21:17<Aleric>Lemme see if I can compile them myself.
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21:20<alk3_>how can i use debootstrap to download only source packages?
21:20<alk3_>or is there a tool like debootstrap to grab all the sources to a base system?
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21:22<alk3_>apt-src just grabs and builds/installs
21:23<Aleric>linuxguy: Humor me, add
21:23<Aleric>deb etch main contrib non-free
21:23<Aleric>to your /etc/apt/sources.list
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21:41<linuxguy>is it possible to update the kernel then with apt-get?
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21:42<pwncore>hello all
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21:43<dpkg>i heard update is dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update
21:44<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.25-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.25-rc2-git1, 2.4:, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-rc2-mm1
21:44<linuxguy>I think I need to update to the latest would I do this please?
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21:59<linuxguy>gee a netsplit?
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22:04<insigne_>bom dia
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22:13<pwncore>hey guys
22:13<pwncore>is there a good framebuffer web browser out there?
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22:16<steven>i thought i was the onlz one awake
22:16<pwncore>it's only 7 PM here
22:16<steven>wheres that
22:16<steven>rather be there myself
22:16<pwncore>is it cold over there?
22:16<pwncore>it's about 55 degrees here
22:16<pwncore>fahrenheit i mean
22:17<steven>-2 celcius
22:17<steven>im in Denmark
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22:18<pwncore>12 celcius here
22:18<steven>no surfing then, laugh
22:19<pwncore>i don't know how anyway
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22:19<pwncore>but it's this cold at 5 AM and people still surf then
22:19<steven>me neither, just like to go fishing
22:20<pwncore>ice fishing?
22:20<steven>im nomallz at work then
22:20<pwncore>at 5 AM? what the hell do you do?
22:20<steven>no ice at the moment, just frost
22:21<steven>Industrial engineer
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22:21<pwncore>does everyone start that early in denmark or do you have to be there before the other workers get there for some reason
22:22<steven>no, i dont have to, but then i get home earlier and have more from the day
22:22<pwncore>i couldn't do it
22:23<steven>why not
22:23<pwncore>i just do things later
22:23<pwncore>i can't get up and be functional at 5
22:23<steven>thats good as well, but im taking today off
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22:23<pwncore>i was for the presidential primary election, cause i was working at the poll, and it was rough
22:24<steven>its filling the news here
22:24<pwncore>i know sweden is very pro-obama
22:25<pwncore>what do the danish think of the whole ordeal
22:25<pwncore>are you guys tied up in our war?
22:25<pwncore>hey linuxguy you were gonna update your kernel right
22:25<steven>there all mad, but the tendence is they want a woman at the top
22:26<ignu>any idea where i can go to get assistance with iceweasel issues?
22:26<steven>the danes are, im british actually, i just live and work here
22:26<pwncore>ignu: what's the issue?
22:26<dpkg>i guess ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
22:27<pwncore>sorry, nothin was going on
22:27<ignu>I'm trying to watch tv episodes at, it asks for flash-8
22:27<ignu>I've tried several things
22:27<pwncore>what have you tried
22:27<pwncore>also, do you have swfdec
22:27<ignu>I tried loading adobe flash onto iceape
22:28<ignu>it loaded fine, but gave me
22:28<ignu>Oops Our new video player is only available for: Windows 2000/XP/Vista - Internet Explorer, Firefox Mac - Firefox, Safari
22:28<pwncore>that sucks
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22:29<ignu>I thought that maybe if I had Firefox instead of iceweasel, I might have a chance
22:29<ignu>but I don't know how to do that
22:29<pwncore>well iceweasel == firefox
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22:29<pwncore>but if you think it might help, i'm sure you can get the firefox sources at and build them yourself
22:29<pwncore>they might even have a deb packed up, i dunno
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22:30<ignu>pwncore: thx
22:30<pwncore>just don't try to pull it from the debian mirrors cause that'll give you iceweasel
22:30<pwncore>np, wish i could be of more help
22:30<ignu>right. So, I wonder how (or where) I would pull it from
22:31<pwncore>lemme poke around and see if i can find something for you
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22:31<ignu>you rock :-) ... I'm hoping it's okay for me to be in this room inasmuch as my name (ignu) stands for ignorant newbie :-)
22:32<pwncore>heh that's fine
22:32<steven>im gone too, night people
22:32<pwncore>i'm just returning to linux after at least five years of windows exclusivity so don't feel bad, i've been asking a lot of questions
22:32<pwncore>gn steven
22:32<pwncore>ignu: afaik after a quick check it looks like you can only get the source from mozilla's website
22:32<pwncore>have you compiled a program before?
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22:33<ignu>no... the only code I know is html (in text editors)
22:33<pwncore>it's a cinch, you don't need to know how to program
22:33<pwncore>unless the guy who wrote the program royally screws it up, which isn't even a possibility on really popular projects like firefox
22:34<ignu>I haven't a clue
22:34<pwncore>i can walk you through it if you like, although i'm not certain that it'll solve your specific problem
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22:34<ignu>wouldn't know where to begin... but I'm guessing it would take me forever to get a clue
22:34<pwncore>it's a pretty quick process
22:35<ignu>okay, I'm willing to try... where should I begin?
22:35<pwncore>you'll need to learn how to do it sooner or later when you're running an open source OS
22:35<pwncore>first, download the source at
22:35<alec>ignu: I use flash with iceweasel just fine
22:35<alec>ignu: have you tried adobe's official plugin?
22:36<abrotman>ignu: there is a UA switcher that you can use .. there's no reason to muck up your system
22:36<pwncore>ua switcher?
22:36<ignu>abrotman: I don't know what a UA switcher is
22:37<ignu>alec: I tried to figure out how to get adobe's official plugin and couldn't figure it out
22:37<linuxguy>how to i update to Etch 4.03 please...I have 4.02 installed now
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22:37<abrotman>linuxguy: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
22:37<linuxguy>abrotman.....would this update the kernel to?
22:38<abrotman>depends on the last time you updated
22:38<alec>ignu: it's packaged for Debian in an unofficial repository (that happens to be run by a Debian maintainer); see
22:39<linuxguy>well my kernel is 2.6.18-6-k7 and i did an update today
22:39<ignu>pwncore: I'll look for you in here another time for help in learing to program... right now, I'll try some of this other stuff :-)
22:39<alec>linuxguy: did you do an aptitude full-upgrade?
22:39<pwncore>linuxman: in your case, your kernel isn't getting any newer unless you compile it by hand
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22:39<pwncore>ignu: hang on
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22:39<pwncore>ignu: don't be intimidated by source code
22:39<linuxguy>alec no...i was askinga bout that erlier....but I think OFTC were having network probs
22:40<alec>ignu: when I wanted to install the official client, I think I downloaded the .tar.gz from the website, uncompressed it, and moved to my ~/.mozilla/plugins
22:40<pwncore>if you see something you want and it's only available in source, just download the source, unzip it and open up the README or README.install or README.Debian file in it
22:40<pwncore>it'll tell you what you need to do most of the time, it's real easy
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22:41<pwncore>you don't need any programming skills
22:41<ignu>pwncore: thx... I'll try that sometime
22:42<pwncore>if for some reason you need help, most people in here are prolly gonna be able to help you
22:44<linuxguy> tells me this update does not have super cow powers?......??
22:45<alec>linuxguy: that's part of the usage screen, if you got that, you probably mistyped something
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22:46<linuxguy> to do an upgrade.. I just type in aptitude upgrde?
22:47<pwncore>you wanna update first
22:47<abrotman>alec: full-upgrade isn't in etch
22:48<alec>abrotman: ah, thanks
22:48<linuxguy>aptitude install update
22:48<linuxguy>lol.....wrong window
22:48<abrotman>aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
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22:49<linuxguy>ok it says its alreadty updated
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22:49<linuxguy>to this one the kernel is 2.6.18-6-k7
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22:53<akiva>hello, how do you get the network packet data to stop showing up in shell?
22:53<akiva>I keep getting dropped in etherenet mac data, etc
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22:54<pwncore>my box isn't in production or serving anything particularly important--should i probably switch to testing?
22:55<pwncore>i got the impression from some of the documentation that dependencies get broken there sometimes
22:55<akiva>And could anyone tell me the command to set up reconfig to change my keyboard data? It seems I can type just find outside of Gnome, but in Gnome, it doesn't type unless I hold it down for a while and then it always doubles the key I pressed
22:55<pwncore>is it xkbdconfig?
22:55<pwncore>maybe i'm misremembering
22:56<DaCapn>anyone know how to change the buddy list icon size for pigin/gaim?
22:56<akiva>I will try that, thanks. DO you know how I can get the packet data or whatever to stop showing in terminal mode?
22:57<pwncore>no, and unfortunately i'm not totally positive on the keyboard thing either
22:57<pwncore>i could be thinking of an ancient red hat program or something
22:57<pwncore>always a risk w me
22:57<pwncore>try /quit
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23:23<pwncore>how's it working linuxguy?
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23:30<GhostlyDeath>Is there a /proc/ for video info?
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23:32<trelane>where can I get the precompiled kernel tree used to generate the xen kernels so I can compile against it? is there a package in apt?
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23:33<stroyan>GhostlyDeath: Perhaps you want /sys/class/graphics/* What are you hoping to read from /proc/ ?
23:34<GhostlyDeath>"/sys/class/graphics/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon/subsystem/fbcon" heh
23:34<pwncore>hello ouro
23:34<Ouroboros>sup yo
23:35<Ouroboros>did you sort out our mouse troubles?
23:35<GhostlyDeath>stroyan: some script kiddie is posting their PC stats
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23:35<Climhazzard>When you install Debian, do you get to choose the packages which you are installing? Or does it just install everything automatically?
23:36<pwncore>thanks for asking, ouro. yeah
23:36<Ouroboros>Climhazzard: you get a choice of several sets of packages
23:36<Climhazzard>Thanks :P
23:36<pwncore>i found out that i could take the computer out of the docking station only after i turned it off
23:36<Ouroboros>Climhazzard: but the sets are quite broad (and large)
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23:37<Ouroboros>Climhazzard: you can also not install anything except base system and then add stuff yourself
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23:37<pwncore>so i just turned it off, put the docking station away, plugged everything straight into the comp and now it's workin fine
23:37<pwncore>usb hub included
23:37<pwncore>the only thing left is to figure out how to manage my mp3 player and pda, but i'll get around to that
23:37<stroyan>GhostlyDeath: I still don't understand what you hope to read from /proc about video.
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23:38<pwncore>taking the docking station off the table (literally) also gave me room to plug in an external keyboard for better gaming
23:38<Ouroboros>pwncore: heh, i am always trying to get debian to *not* manage things
23:38<pwncore>i know the feeling
23:39<pwncore>i installed 3 or 4 programs to do each of most tasks, just cause i had the room and felt like experimenting with them
23:39<Ouroboros>pwncore: take a look at "removable devices" in the desktop menu, there is some stuff about pda autorun there
23:39<pwncore>only to end up with a box that took half an hour to boot up and dozens of daemons fighting with each otehr
23:39<pwncore>i very rarely go into x
23:40<pwncore>anyway luckily i got my wits about me and figured out how to pare it down in the rc configuration, thankfully
23:40<Ouroboros>i am trying to build a minimal X install right now... my best so far is 700 MB
23:41<pwncore>not bad at all
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23:41<Ouroboros>i saw something like 300 on the web, but they probably did a lot of manual work
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23:41<pwncore>that's insane
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23:42<Ouroboros>mine is base system + xserver-xorg-core + gnome-core + gdm + iseweasel
23:42<pwncore>the 300 probably only includes one window manager, which i wouldn't be able to handle
23:42<Ouroboros>i am still missing the window manager i think
23:42<pwncore>i think i have like 15 of them installed
23:42<pwncore>i like choices
23:42<Ouroboros>well i have one but its not the one that i want
23:43<pwncore>not a gnome fan?
23:43<Ouroboros>gnome yes
23:43<Ouroboros>but its not the right gnome
23:43<Ouroboros>do you know which one you get from the installer?
23:43<pwncore>i bet though that if you were really trying to be minimalist you could save some space by cutting out gnome-core and gdm and replacing them with, say, xdm and twm
23:43<Ouroboros>my objective is to fit into 1 GB, beyond that i dont care
23:44<pwncore>i assume that's just gnome, i dunno though, i hate gdm with a passion and i don't like gnome's environment much better
23:44<Ouroboros>Aleric: so that i cant fit onto a USB stick or CF card
23:44<pwncore>aren't there liveUSB distros out there
23:45<DaCapn>a lot of pentesting distros are
23:45<DaCapn>backtrack is one
23:45<Aleric>Is such an interface/card fast enough to run the whole system off?
23:45<pwncore>there's a wikipedia article called "comparison of livecd distros" that's pretty dope, and i bet there's something similar for liveusb
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23:46<trelane>where can I get the precompiled kernel tree used to generate the xen kernels so I can compile against it? is there a package in apt?
23:46<pwncore>trelane: sorry, i'm not ignoring you, i just don't know
23:46<pwncore>can't speak for these other asshats though ;)
23:46<Aleric>Stupid question I guess... I suppose it's even faster than a harddisk
23:46<Ouroboros>Aleric: i dont know, but i guess i will find out
23:46<trelane>usb sticks are slower than harddrives
23:47<pwncore>Aleric: ubuntu desktop gives you a pretty nice desktop environment off of one CD
23:47<Ouroboros>i have only USB 1.1 also
23:47<pwncore>so i would imagine it'd be fine
23:47<Ouroboros>but i will probably go with CF card + PCMCIA
23:47<pwncore>i have a whole zip-up carrying case of liveCDs, i love em
23:48<pwncore>i boot up backtrack when i'm bored in MCSA class and start pen-testing the network
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23:51<Ouroboros>so you know how when you log in from gdm, there is a rectangular splash window right after and then the desktop loads? on my real system this window is blue, on my minimal it is some pinkinsh color (different logo)
23:51<Ouroboros>but they seem to have the same window manager (metacity)
23:52<Ouroboros>so what is different?
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23:52<gef>Ouroboros, likely your theme
23:53<alaya>what the heck is an APA citation format?
23:53<alaya>ah, american psychologic association...
23:57<Ouroboros>where do you set the theme?
23:58<alaya>install gtk-theme-switch and run switch and switch2
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23:58<Ouroboros>hm, i just install gnome-themes and now the desktop looks correct, but the splash screen is still wrong i think
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