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---Logopened Mon Feb 18 00:00:35 2008
00:01<alaya>oh, forget that
00:01<Ouroboros>dont have thsat
00:01<Ouroboros>let me check against my real machine, maybe i am mistaken
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00:10<alaya>stat -rn
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00:12<peyman__>manpage for syslog says that LOG_PERROR is not defined in Posix-1.2001. How can i check for this condition in my program? is it #if (_POSIX_SOURCE >= 2001121) ?
00:12<pwncore>how do i stop a download in lynx
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00:12<alaya>ctrl-c ?
00:12<Ouroboros>killall lynx; epiphany & :)
00:13<alaya>links is way better IMHO
00:14<Ouroboros>what advantages does iceweasel have over epiphany?
00:15<pwncore>i hate how links makes you press enter to fill in a form
00:16<pwncore>Ouroboros: extensibility, chiefly
00:16<pwncore>there are tons and tons and tons of awesome firefox extensions and afaict they all work on iceweasel
00:16<znalo>lotsa plugins
00:16<Ouroboros>what about firefox vs iceweasel on debian?
00:16<Ouroboros>oh i see, there is no firefox :)
00:17<znalo>firefox and iceweasel are basically the same thing
00:17<pwncore>yeah iceweasel *is* firefox
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00:18<pwncore>nothing's stopping you from compiling firefox yourself though
00:18<Ouroboros>it used to be possible to install both, but now it looks like the firefox package just installs iceweasel
00:18<pwncore>i'm considering doing it
00:18*znalo doesn't see the point
00:18<pwncore>well, it'd be when i have a lot of time on my hands :D
00:18<pwncore>i just hate the name and the logo of iceweasel
00:18<Ouroboros>masochist much?
00:18<znalo>just frk it :-)
00:18<pwncore>what could possibly be so hard about compiling firefox
00:18<pwncore>do what now?
00:19<pwncore>i would, but i don't know C
00:19<pwncore>how about foxcore
00:19<pwncore>i like that
00:19<znalo>mm nice
00:19<znalo>that does sound good
00:19<alaya>why, so you can get the non-free logo (only thing that is different) and have to recompile the next time a security fix is released?
00:19<pwncore>better than freakin' iceweasel
00:19<Ouroboros>you compile things but dont know c?
00:20<pwncore>Ouroboros: you don't have to know c to compile things
00:20<Ouroboros>i know, just a little unusual i think
00:20*znalo generally types 'make'
00:20<Ouroboros>i learned these things in the opposite order
00:20<znalo>and crosses a finger or two
00:21<alaya>dh_make is the debian way ;-)
00:22<Ouroboros>whats that? heh
00:22<pwncore>i've done a little bit of makefile scripting
00:22<pwncore>but that's all i've ever had to learn, and that was because i was porting it to mingw
00:22<alaya>apt-cache show dh_make and find out
00:22<Ouroboros>pwncore: you should learn c, it is quite easy and useful
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00:23<pwncore>Ouroboros: i know
00:23<pwncore>i'm working on learning python first
00:23<pwncore>You have searched for packages that names contain dh_make in all
00:23<pwncore> suites, all sections, and all architectures.
00:23<pwncore> Sorry, your search gave no results
00:23<Ouroboros>apt-cache show dh-make
00:24<Ouroboros>no, with -
00:24<pwncore>oh, nice
00:24<pwncore>no, it's definitely with -
00:24<alaya>hmm, its dh_make here ?!?
00:24<pwncore>the command uses _ but the package uses -
00:24<znalo>unlike all the other dh_ things
00:24<znalo>oh, ok
00:24<Ouroboros>alaya: for package name or the actual command?
00:24<alaya>oh right, - for name
00:25<alaya>_ for command
00:25<Ouroboros>is that the equivalent of kpkg-make for user stuff then?
00:25<alaya>i used xcopy to select/paste the argument in the terminal and missed it
00:25<pwncore>certainly sounds like it
00:26<alaya>there's also pbuilder
00:26<alaya>and dpkg-dev
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00:26<alaya>and debmake ...
00:26<Ouroboros>so what do you call that rectangular screen with debian logo on it after you log in from gdm... is that the "splash screen" or "login screen" or ...?
00:27<znalo>th desktop
00:27<Ouroboros>no right before that
00:27<znalo>oh ok
00:27<Ouroboros>the screen that says stuff that is loading etc
00:27<pwncore>loading screen?
00:27<alaya>screen AFTER you login??
00:27<znalo>good q. i dunno
00:27<jamuraa>I would say it's a splash / loading screen
00:27<alaya>that is the splash
00:28<alaya>normally pretty useless
00:28<peyman__>anyone has experience using syslog()?
00:29<pwncore>it's a C question! duck!
00:29<pwncore>btw debmake is apparently deprecated
00:30<alaya>man 8 syslogd
00:30<Ouroboros>peyman_: no, i use *((int*) NULL) = 0; to signal errors :)
00:30<alaya>pwncore: yeah just noticed that
00:30<peyman__>pwncore: i know it's a C question, but a bounch of dick heads are in C channel!
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00:31<pwncore>peyman__ i'm just messing with you ;)
00:31<peyman__>my question is that how come when i syslog() a message, it doesn't appear in dmesg
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00:32<alaya>peyman_: maybe you need to configure syslog to put it in that one
00:32<alaya>i mean syslogd
00:32<peyman__>alaya: hmmm! maybe!
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00:36<Ouroboros>hm, i just noticed i am mising the desktop wallpaper... what is that package called?
00:36<alaya>apt-cache search wallpaper
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00:37<Ouroboros>yeah i didnt see the anything gnome related, except wallpaper-tray
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00:39<Ouroboros>nm, its under "background"
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00:41<alaya>i would like to see a sample C code that just writes hello to a log file, then set up syslog to put in a custom log
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00:42<alaya>have it run as daemon in foreground and echo stdin to the syslog
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00:45<Ouroboros>hm, i want this background:, what package provides that? gnome-backgrounds does not
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00:46<pwncore>why don't you just download it and make it your background
00:47<Ouroboros>thats not the debian way :)
00:47<Ouroboros>plus thats not the actual background, just a screenshot of some dude's desktop
00:47<pwncore>although the debian way is starting to sound an awful lot like the mandrake way
00:48<pwncore>anyway, that's the default desktop
00:48<pwncore>that was my background right after installing debian
00:48<Ouroboros>exactly, except i instlaled manually so i am missing something
00:48<pwncore>have someone who's in X find it for you
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00:49<pwncore>ah wth i'll do it, i have some stuff i wanna do in x anyway
00:49<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: probably desktop-base, if I were to guess.
00:50<jamuraa>looks like part of debian-blueish-wallpaper.svg from the desktop-base package
00:50<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: yep, i just found that myself :)
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00:52<Ouroboros>nice, now the splash screen looks correct as well
00:53<pwncore>debian.tiff, actually
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00:53<Ouroboros>i think its an SVG file
00:54<Ouroboros>but anyway, i think i have everything i wanted now
00:54<alaya>tomorrow is holiday, i can stay up till 03:00 reading ;-)
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00:55<Ouroboros>what holiday
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00:55<alaya>18 Feb
00:55<Ouroboros>damn, its feb already?
00:56<Ouroboros>February 18. National Crab Stuffed Flounder Day <-- this one?
00:56<pwncore>i think he's referring to president's day
00:56<Ouroboros>ah yes
00:56<alaya>Organic Soy Ice Cream Day
00:56<pwncore>mmm, ice cream
00:57<pwncore>feck, my dad used the last of it in his shake
00:59<pwncore>btw how do i lock my console
01:01<pwncore>ah vlock
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01:07<sutula>Last time I worked with .wav files was in the 90's and I was using a free copy of Cool Edit. What Debian package do people use these days to edit sound files? Noise reduction, amplitude modification, pitch shifting, etc.? Is there a "standard" program people use these days?
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01:12<dondelelcaro>ecasound is pretty much the standard, but people use just about everything.
01:12<alaya>sutula: audacity is good
01:13<sutula>dondelelcaro, alaya: Thanks
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01:14<sutula>dondelelcaro: BTW, sorry, been slow to get to your AM questions
01:14<dondelelcaro>sutula: no worries.
01:14*dondelelcaro isn't particularly fast himself
01:14<alaya>hi dondelelcaro
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01:17<JustSoul>Problem: Gwenview under normal user cannot find sane-module, but under root it's work good?
01:17<alaya>maybe user needs permissions for scanner or scanner group?
01:18<JustSoul>I have user's in MS AD
01:18<JustSoul>add all user's to scanner group?
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01:21<rickbot>hi @ll
01:21<rickbot>i just re-arranged my partition setup slightly
01:22<rickbot>is there a command to rewrite menu.list so the system will see all the new partitions?
01:23<jm_>man update-grub
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01:24<rickbot>ok, i tried that but i wasn't sure if it was the right thing. it said something about 'manually enter the two options that update-grub uses' but it doesn't say what those options are or what the h its talking about'
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01:25<rickbot>actually it said to run it once and then make the options and run it again
01:25<dondelelcaro>!b-e mbostwick
01:25<dpkg>mbostwick: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
01:29<rickbot>ok, thats what i thought... no entry was added to menu.list for the new partition
01:30<rickbot>it just removed the old ones
01:30<|>dpkg giving advice on aptitude... :p Sorry, but that was quality joke. :)
01:30<jm_>it only adds entries for kernels, see the man page - chainloading has to be done manually
01:30<alaya>rickbot: did you move /boot or / ?
01:31<rickbot>alaya: no, i removed two partitions on hdb and replaced them with one large one
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01:32<alaya>rickbot: then it has nothing to do with grub. like jm_ said
01:32<rickbot>when you do a fresh install, all partitions are detected and entries are written to menu.list so isn't there some tool to do this on a running system?
01:33<rickbot>aaaaaaaaaahhhh! i'm thinking of fstab... never mind :P
01:33<alaya>rickbot: man fstab for adding mount points for other filesystems
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01:36<rickbot>rebuildfstab looks like what i need
01:36<alaya>or vim ;-)
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01:37<rickbot>yeah, better to keep it simple
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01:45<alaya>guess i'm going to switch from i386 to amd64 port tonight/tomorrow
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01:46<alaya>last time i ran 64-bit os was debian 64-bit port to sparc2 a long time ago
01:47<Ouroboros>how is the sparc port btw? i am about to try it
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01:50<pwncore>mmmmmm....bailey's milkshake
01:50<pwncore>Ouroboros: you have a sparc machine?
01:51<Ouroboros>sure why not
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01:52<pwncore>how do you plan to run a sparc os, exactly?
01:53<Ouroboros>spw: sure why not = yes
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01:53<Ouroboros>err, what the hell is spw...
01:53<pwncore>i was wondering the same thing myself
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01:53<pwncore>anyway...what exactly is the point of a sparc box?
01:53<pwncore>just out of curiosity
01:53<Ouroboros>i tried to tab complete but something was blocking that part of the screen.. i assumed it worked, it didnt
01:54<Ouroboros>no point really, i just have this blade that i thought might be nice with linux on it
01:54<pwncore>you just have a sparc server sitting around?
01:54<Ouroboros>yeah, but its ancient
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01:54<alaya>pwncore: ever heard of ebay? old ultra's are cheap now...
01:54<pwncore>alaya: how cheap, and how does that compare to x86
01:55<Ouroboros>this is a sun netra x1 (500 mhz ultrasparc IIe)
01:55<alaya>pwncore: check out ultra 5 or 10 on ebay
01:55<shital>wanted help regarding Asterisk can any body help me???
01:56<Ouroboros>also i might be working on niagara2 soon, so this might be somewhat compatible
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01:56<pwncore>somehow i expect ebay to get a little angry at lynx
01:56<pwncore>and i'm not about to start x to check out prices on sparcs
01:56<alaya>links ;-)
01:57<Ouroboros>looks like $50-100
01:57*alaya wonders if its better to run 32 or 64 bit OSes in kvm under amd64 system?
01:57<pwncore>how do i get links to stop making me press enter to fill in forms
01:58<Ouroboros> | this is what i have
01:58<alaya>pwncore: oh you mean to move to next field, you must <enter> instead of <tab> ?
01:59<pwncore>i mean when you move into a form field you have to press enter to *start* putting in input
01:59<padski>!tell shital about asterisk
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01:59<alaya>pwncore: use gpm?
01:59<pwncore>i am using gpm
01:59<pwncore>you're not getting my meaning
02:00<pwncore>let's say you're focused on a link
02:00<pwncore>between that link and the next link is a form field
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02:00<pwncore>you press down to get to the form field
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02:00<alaya>i guess there is no such thing as passing mouse focus by clicking with gpm
02:00<pwncore>so i have to either press enter or click on it?
02:00<pwncore>that's madness
02:01<Ouroboros>what % of sites render correctly in lynx?
02:01<pwncore>lynx is good enough for esr, so it's good enough for me
02:01<pwncore>Ouroboros: what % of sites are worth looking at ;)
02:01<pwncore>agaggggghghh brainfreeze
02:01<Ouroboros>now you are getting into philosophy :)
02:02<pwncore>the pain
02:02<padski>Ouroboros: define render correctly
02:02<Ouroboros>dont get me wrong, i love console as much as the next guy, but using a console browser sounds much too painful
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02:02<padski>Ouroboros: very useful sometimes
02:03<Ouroboros>padski: useable i guess
02:03<pwncore>no, he said useful
02:03<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: they're actually really useful.
02:03<pwncore>it's nice not to worry about nsfw images and annoying ads ever
02:03<dondelelcaro>there are many times when you need to get to a website now and download stuff without mucking about.
02:03<jamuraa>using lynx is very useful sometimes
02:03<pwncore>otoh, does anyone know of a framebuffer browser?
02:04<jamuraa>or when you need to download stuff onto a machine that doesn't have a display
02:04<Ouroboros>i agree, i've had the misfortune of using lynx a few times, but making it a regular practice... hm
02:04<alaya>real men type the URL directly into wget ;-)
02:04<Ouroboros>jamuraa: i try to use wget for that
02:04<dondelelcaro>I actually prefer links for things like that, but yes.
02:04<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: the problem is when you don't remember the exact url.
02:04<jamuraa>alaya, Ouroboros: I use lynx when I need to get the link for a sourceforge-hosted file for example
02:05<Ouroboros>also when you have to login or something
02:05<dondelelcaro>you can actually login using wget
02:05<alaya>real men program the tcp code in real-time to negotiate the session
02:05<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: which kind of login? http i guess, but probably not form post?
02:06<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: oh, it won't do form posts, yeah.
02:06<Ouroboros>still, wget is amazingly versatile
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02:07*alaya wonders if you could use netcat to manually do an http session
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02:07<dondelelcaro>you could, but if you need to do crazy things, the WWW::Mechanize shell is the best.
02:08<jamuraa>anyone know if it's possible to make epiphany put 'new window' links in a tab instead?
02:08<Ouroboros>havent tried netcat, but certainly telnet will work
02:08<Ouroboros>on a related note, what kind of tool can be used to manually do an https session?
02:08<Ouroboros>i tried writing mine own but it never quite worked
02:09<pwncore>no one knows of a framebuffer browser?
02:09<jm_>Ouroboros: openssl of course
02:10<padski>Ouroboros: not found such a survey yet, but see
02:10<Ouroboros>jm_: openssl has a terminal mode?
02:10<jm_>Ouroboros: yes
02:10<jm_>pwncore: links supports that
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02:11<pwncore>jm_ it does?
02:11<jm_>pwncore: yes
02:13<pwncore>i don't see an option for it
02:13<Ouroboros>check that link
02:13<jm_>you need links 2.x - it's in testing or newer
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02:13<jm_>assuming Debian's build has it enabled
02:14<pwncore>yep, 2.1 in testing
02:14<jm_>see if it knows -g switch
02:14<padski>"Be as Irresistible as Chocolate ..."
02:14<pwncore>i'll install it and see
02:15<pwncore>just links 2.x is good enough, not elinks or anything?
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02:16<jm_>yup, 2.1 has support for it
02:16<Slydder>morning all
02:16<pwncore>gm Slydder
02:16<pwncore>btw what's vserver
02:16<Ouroboros>btw, at the risk of angering the debian gods, if you have vmware, try haiku (BeOS clone), its kinda fun...
02:17<alaya>i thought elinks also had ssl support
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02:17<pwncore>Ouroboros: i've been meaning to, thanks for reminding me
02:17<pwncore>what do you think of it so far
02:17<jm_>yeah but he asked about FB support, not SSL
02:17<pwncore>and what do you think of its potential
02:17<Ouroboros>well, i tried it for about 5 min, seems like it works
02:17<Ouroboros>need a lot of work on UI side though
02:18<pwncore>how so
02:18<Ouroboros>i mean, it looks like something from 1990, which is fine
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02:18<pwncore>heh k
02:18<pwncore>well that's beos for ya
02:18<Ouroboros>but i am sure they will work on that once they get it stable
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02:19<Ouroboros>mind you, i never used the original BeOS, so i dont know what it is supposed to look like
02:19<susanne-->how does one turn on sshd? i've got a box that works ok from console but i can't ssh into it. i'm not aware of it having any firewall installed.
02:19<pwncore>is it configured to start on your runlevel
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02:20<Ouroboros>susanne--: apt-get install openssh-server
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02:20<susanne-->bingo ty
02:20<pwncore>would you guys recommend upgrading to testing?
02:21<susanne-->pwncore, in my experience testing tends to be pretty stable, and has more current versions of most software i use. however, it's not error-proof and there are occasional hiccups.
02:21<alaya>pwncore: depends how close to release it is
02:21<Ouroboros>i ran etch testing before the release, was fine... but do you have a specific need?
02:21<pwncore>not really
02:21<Ouroboros>how close are we to the release of lenny?
02:21<pwncore>it's just that this is the second time i've found myself backporting today
02:22<susanne-->pwncore, it depends on the purpose of the box. is it a production box in a mission-critical system? or is it a personal use box you can afford to have crash and spend time jacking with?
02:22<alaya>i think it usually takes a while after "freeze" to stabilize more
02:22<pwncore>personal use
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02:23<susanne-->so in some ways it's a personal choice. for my personal non-production boxes, i use testing. i don't do anything especially funky with them, and i keep them updated pretty regularly (several times a week). i don't have any particular complaints to report. ymmv.
02:23<pwncore>k thanks
02:23<pwncore>what is this all about:
02:23<alaya>it depends on your skill level more than anything, now your usage pattern
02:23<pwncore>at the end of my apt-get update
02:24<pwncore>alaya: i'm a tad bit rusty, maybe i'll hold off for a while
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02:24<alaya>people will not help you here with testing/unstalbe issues because you are expected to know at that level
02:25<susanne-->actually, people will help you less, but it's rare you'll get -nothing-
02:25<Ouroboros>ah cool
02:25<padski>Ouroboros: where they talk of a september release
02:25<Ouroboros>so its on like a 1-year cycle or so?
02:25<pwncore>what's the deal with mdacon? it lets you run ttys on two monitors?
02:25<alaya>september release = maybe sometime the following year ;-)
02:26<susanne-->i'm using kde here. is there a way to mirror this desktop to a vncserver, such that i have both console and vnc access to the same instance?
02:27<padski>Ouroboros: not recently ;-) see
02:27<Ouroboros>susanne--: well, one way is to VNC into localhost from the console
02:27<padski>there is a even a graph :-)
02:27<susanne-->Ouroboros, that sounds hideous. :-) but yes, it's work i suppose
02:27<alaya>don't forget the extra 2-3 months needed when developers decide not to fix release-critical bugs because of political issues...
02:28<Ouroboros>susanne--: its one extra command, doesnt seem that bad to me, unless there is a better way
02:28<susanne-->Ouroboros, well, it's still running two full instances of X, which is what i'd sorta like to avoid
02:28<Ouroboros>i remember something about a critical bug in the kernel that deleted all your files prior to etch release :)
02:29<Ouroboros>susanne--: true
02:29<susanne-->this machine is an old smp pentium 3 box. it's slowish but workable for what i use it for. but i try to not tax it if i don't need to.
02:29<susanne-->at one time it was the best money could buy. now ... my mac mini in the corner way outperforms it. :-)
02:30<Ouroboros>thats the way of all things
02:30<Ouroboros>that mac mini also outperforms mainframes from 1980
02:31<padski>Ouroboros: for some values of "outperforms"
02:31<Ouroboros>padski: nah, just need to find the right year :)
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02:32<Ouroboros>i guess it doesnt produce as much heat, which is bad in winter
02:32<padski>Ouroboros: show me a mac mini that will give you five nines for ten years
02:33<susanne-->all depends on what you do with it. :-)
02:33<jm_>susanne--: see x11vnc
02:33<susanne-->jm_, ty
02:33<Ouroboros>padski: fine, hook 2 mac minis together
02:34<Ouroboros>padski: forget the 10 years thing though, more like 2
02:34<susanne-->personally, the only problem i have with my mac mini is power, and that's not the mini's issue. it just sits there and serves. (it runs lenny and samba, with 8 usb drives hung on it)
02:35<jamuraa>that's a lot of USB drives
02:35<Ouroboros>what you need is the USB BBQ
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02:35<susanne-->2 x 250, 2 x 300, 4 x 750
02:36<susanne-->i tried to raid5 the 750s, it was a nightmare
02:37<susanne-->i'm guessing because they have internal power down routines when not in active use, which disconnects them from the array. i'd set the array to rebuild, go to bed, come back the next morning and another of the drives would be disconnected
02:37<susanne-->the array would be degraded and i'd have to jack around with adding the drive back and it taking another year to rebuild
02:37<padski>Ouroboros: :-) bet that mac mini has more welly than a cray from 1980 though
02:37<jamuraa>seriously considering a NSLU box for a file/print/internal web server now
02:38<susanne-->given the nature of the data, it's not a huge crisis
02:38<Ouroboros>yeah running RAID on USB doesnt sound like the best idea
02:38<susanne-->next time i have a ton of money i'll buy a pata jbod (available at fry's), fill it with 750s, and raid that.
02:38<Ouroboros>padski: welly?
02:38<padski>Ouroboros: oomph
02:39<padski>Ouroboros: very technical term ;-)
02:39<Ouroboros>not sure i understand, but if you mean something like "coolness", then i have to disagree
02:39<susanne-->what i'd most like to do is set up openvpn over here to allow me to vpn into my home lan and act as if local. i did it with the office setup, using dd-wrt's implementation, but i haven't manged to get it working at the house, and the last time i tried, i bricked a router
02:40<Ouroboros>susanne--: why not get a modern mobo with 6 SATA ports and RAID that?
02:41<padski>Ouroboros: I guess I'm thinking processing power, which after all is the point of a supercomputer. The cray still gets my vote for cool :-)
02:41<susanne-->Ouroboros, because that would require building and maintaining yet another box. the jbod i'm contemplating connects to the host machine as a usb drive, although the components are raided.
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02:42<Ouroboros>padski: a bunch of people in my lab have these stickers on their laptops that say "my other computer is a cray"
02:42<Ouroboros>susanne--: its a shelf?
02:42<jamuraa>wow I chose a horrible time to attempt to try out e17 apparently
02:42<susanne-->Ouroboros, it's a tower. i dunno what i'm going to do. at the moment it's all fantasy. :-)
02:42<susanne-->jamuraa, is there ever a good time to check out e17?
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02:43<jamuraa>susanne--: well, specifically it seems all the deb repositories are broken :(
02:43<Ouroboros>susanne--: you would probably get much better performance with an integrated solution, but having to build a box is a PITA, sure enough
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02:45<susanne-->theoretical question: over the longer term, is there a problem with making my 8 usb drives fat32? this would facilitate easier movement to/fro the windows desktop clients here, which would make for faster/easier movement of large amounts of data. currently they're all ext3, and for example, at the office, i don't have a linux box i can plug them into.
02:45<susanne-->given the nature of the data and the way i use them, access control isn't much of an issue.
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02:47<jm_>you can access ext3 in windows too - I use read-only mode though (fsdext)
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02:47<susanne-->read-only isn't acceptable in this context
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02:48<JustSoul>Is it possible to add group(MS AD) to group(local)?
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02:48<susanne-->i guess my question is, if i do this, am i begging for corruption over the longer term? or can i expect about what i expect now from ext3 in terms of stability?
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02:49<susanne-->(also when i've tried eg ext2win, the result has been dog-assed slow. it would have been faster to transfer the files by tcp/ip over carrier pigeon)
02:50<Ouroboros>susanne--: do you want bandwidth or latency? carrier pigeons have pretty good bandwidth
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02:51<susanne-->Ouroboros, not really. you're limited by what the bird can carry, and carrying a printout tied to its leg with 1.1T of data would be prohibative
02:51<Ouroboros>not printout, blu-ray discs :)
02:52<Ouroboros>or hard drive platters maybe
02:53<susanne-->hard drive platters would be corrupted by bird poo :-)
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02:54<alaya>i wish we could travel faster than the speed of light
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02:54<jamuraa>alaya: significant work is being done in particle physics labs, I think
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02:55<susanne-->what package does one install for eg mkfs.fat32?
02:56<alaya>maybe you have to ship a quantum entangler at the speed of light for 100 yr. at the speed of light, but after that all travel would be instant
02:57<sep>susanne--, perhaps you mean mkfs.msdos or mkfs.vfat ?
02:57<Ouroboros>alaya: i was under the impression that quantum entanglement did not violate limits on pragation of information
02:57<sep>susanne--, and the package is dosfstools
02:58<susanne-->ty, yes none of them are installed, ergo the question
02:58<sep>susanne--, you use vfat with a argument to get fat32 afaik i think it was something like -F 32 but read the manpage to be sure.
02:58<alaya>Ouroboros: it would be cool if it did
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03:00<Ouroboros>which file format do people generally use for md5 sums, the one given by md5sum or openssl dgst ?
03:02<alaya>just text
03:03<susanne-->is there a utility that will take a set of directories and divide them up such that each group fits on a dvd, eg to build isos for burning and archiving? i'm currently doing this manually with du and mc, and then doing a small script for genisoimage. is there a better way?
03:03<ali28>can anyone tell me a package thar use cdbs and uses debconf frontend to ask some conf questions? thanks
03:03<Ouroboros>alaya: well yeah, but those 2 have slightly different arrangements
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03:04<ali28>i still don't get how to use cdbs and debconf questions together and i whould like to see an example package
03:04<alaya>Ouroboros: md5sum output is text
03:04<alaya>i don't know about other
03:04<Ouroboros>it is also... md5sum prints "12312312312321 file", openssl dgst prints "MD5(file)= 1231231231231"
03:05<alaya>that just lists the actual value in a text file
03:05<jm_>Ouroboros: use cfv to verify them, it knows both I think
03:05<Ouroboros>i see
03:05<Ouroboros>what about file name convention, just .md5 ?
03:06<jm_>or just md5sum or MD5SUM
03:06<alaya>i just md5sum <file> >> <md5sum text file>
03:06<alaya>then you get the output in same file below other line
03:06<susanne-->in music trading (flac and shn), alaya's method is used. that permits the receiver to use eg md5sum -c <md5file> to check the received files
03:07<Ouroboros>i am not sure i bother summing at all, i have never had a checksum mismatch in my file transfers so far
03:07<alaya>jm_'s tool would be cool for scripting
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03:08<jm_>yeah cfv's nice because it will read files in current dir and use it automatically if it detects a known format
03:08<alaya>Ouroboros: often its just called "md5sums" but i think <file name>-md5sum is better
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03:09<alaya>that should be more standardized, so you could have many in one dir and not be confused
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03:10<susanne-->the other issue to consider is text transfer (CR/LF) with windows boxen. that will jack md5sum
03:11<Ouroboros>yeah i hate that
03:11<susanne-->i actually use a script from that accounts for that, and also does flac files as well.
03:13<susanne-->since the music files i transfer can often be contained in subdirectories because of naming and directory conventions, the script actually crawls the entire tree and checks everything, which is pretty awesome
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03:15<edhel>hello, is there any reason why installing wacom-tools wants to remove xserver-xorg?
03:15<edhel>(and a bunch of other xorg packages, and nvidia-glx, ...)
03:16<jm_>version conflict most likely, see apt-cache show output
03:16<edhel>ah thanks
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03:21<susanne-->after unmounting a usb drive, is there anything else i should do before yanking it?
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03:23<Ouroboros>well the data is already synced, so should be OK?
03:23<kapil>susanne--: as a precaution just run "mount" to make sure that it *is* unmounted!
03:23<susanne-->aye ok
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03:25<susanne-->copying. lots of files. rsync for the win!
03:27<Ouroboros>i, too, am waiting on a 800,000 files rsync
03:27<susanne-->oh this one is just some audiobooks, not near that many files
03:27<susanne-->stephen king's the dark tower series
03:28<Ouroboros>speaking of books, any tips on converting scanned TIFFs into a PDF?
03:28<jm_>maybe the dumbest method is cups-pdf ;)
03:29<Ouroboros>i am thinking of doing OCR also, but i think it wont work
03:29<susanne-->on a windows box you can scan straight into acrobat :-)
03:29<Ouroboros>the quality sucks
03:29<jamuraa>OCR is very tricky to get done well
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03:29<Ouroboros>susanne--: too late for that, already scanned to TIFF
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03:29<jamuraa>you can also use acrobat on windoze to import TIFFs as pages
03:29<Ouroboros>yeah that is my plan i think
03:30<susanne-->acrobat will also import tiffs directly. i don't know how to do what you want under debian.
03:30<Ouroboros>does it do OCR at all?
03:30<Ouroboros>windows is fine
03:30<Ouroboros>although i guess its quite off-topic
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03:30<kapil>Ouroboros: "libtiff-tools" contains "tiff2pdf"
03:30<jamuraa>alternatively, a2ps | ps2pdf
03:30<susanne-->it says it does but i've never tried it and i doubt the engine is very good. if you want real ocr, you need a real ocr program
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03:30<alaya>susanne--: but that is only a pdf image, not text like he wants
03:30<jamuraa>or what kapil said
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03:30<alaya>you need OCR for that at some point
03:30<Ouroboros>i am not sure i want text, this stuff is about 50% equations
03:31<Ouroboros>i've actually never seen so many equations in one book
03:31<susanne-->ocr is hard, and the really good ones aren't free
03:31<Ouroboros>if stephen hawking is right about every equation halving the number of copies sold, then i must have the only copy of this book in existence
03:31<kapil>Ouroboros: tesseract is supposed to be good for ocr. for equations, you are on your own.
03:32<Ouroboros>are there tools that will auto-adjust the page rotation and contrast and such?
03:32<Ouroboros>besides photoshop or gimp
03:32<jamuraa>Ouroboros: you and the warehost holding all the unsold copies :)
03:32<susanne-->oh wow look. i found my ipod.
03:32<susanne-->needs replacement.
03:33<alaya>Ouroboros: no, only 2^(-n) of you have the book
03:33<kapil>Ouroboros: you can do an OCR for free at they use a nice engine i don't know how many pages it will do.
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03:33<susanne-->semi-related: i want a utility that will scan directories and output an m3u playlist, one for each directory. does such a utility exist?
03:33<Ouroboros>kapil: tesseract looks interesting
03:34<Ouroboros>kapil: i would like a tool that converts directly to pdf or ps though (leaving the equations and images in place)
03:34<kapil>djvu is not so standard but for scanned documents it really saves on space.
03:35<susanne-->then tiff2pdf is your tool, it would seem? either that or acrobat directly
03:35<Ouroboros>ok i will see what acrobat does
03:35<kapil>you can eventually convert your djvu into pdf.
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03:35<shashi>hi guys,I'm using exim mail (debian-etch based) server, want to append userwise signature on every outgoing mails going thru the mailserver... is that possible..
03:35<shashi>don't want to use MTA setting....can anyone help ?
03:36<Ouroboros>also, i think MS imaging tool can read TIFFs and do OCR, but it probably sucks
03:37<kapil>Ouroboros: it might be quite good actually. However, you would need to do it a page at a time. this is why doing scanning/conversion work on windows becomes really painful.
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03:37<Ouroboros>oh yeah, true
03:38*kapil contemplates the power of scripting and the *nix pipeline.
03:38<Ouroboros>easy to take for granted, until you try to communicate with a tool on win32, heh
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03:39<Ouroboros>i am worried about the artifacts in my images... i scanned it on a flatbed (dont even ask how long it took)
03:39<jamuraa>I have had the (dis-)pleasure of using acrobat in windows for scanning/conversion work. evil.
03:40<Ouroboros>especially the rotation (up to something like 5 deg) in each image
03:40<jamuraa>it is sad that a company that owns flash doesn't have a scripting language for it's flagship product for tedious tasks
03:41<kapil>(boastful) wrote an short essay on scanning under linux (
03:41<Ouroboros>jamuraa: it doesnt have batch operations?
03:41<Ouroboros>kapil: ah cool, i will look at that
03:42<jamuraa>Ouroboros: oh it does, just not for say, appending a bunch of files together, etc.
03:42<jamuraa>if you want to do the same thing on a bunch of files, you're golden. :)
03:42<Ouroboros>i am *not* working on 400 files one at a time
03:42<kapil>Ouroboros: you can use "pdftk" to "staple" a number of pdf files together if that is what you want.
03:43<Ouroboros>not quite sure what i want, i am still scanning as we speak
03:43<Ouroboros>10 pages to go :)
03:43<jamuraa>yea I ended up using a bunch of *nix stuff together with acrobat for the 'tricky' ones. I wasn't the source for all the PDFs which made it harder since some weren't compatible with the *nix tools
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03:44<Ouroboros>jamuraa: does acrobat have any sort of conditioning before OCR?
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03:45<susanne-->oops! looks like i have two copies of book six in my directories!
03:46<Ouroboros>give one to me
03:47<jamuraa>Ouroboros: beats me, I wasn't OCRing
03:48<Ouroboros>ok, i will just have to try it, sounds like it will be quite the pain though
03:48<susanne-->cuts the number of files to copy down to 3148. yay. less to do.
03:48<Ouroboros>how big can i expect the PDF to be if i dont OCR?
03:49<Ouroboros>i think the source TIFFs add up to around 1 GB
03:49<Ouroboros>if i can get it down to like 100 MB, i will be happy
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03:52<susanne-->ok time to go act like i have a job. hasta.
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03:58<Ouroboros>night guys
03:58<Ouroboros>thanks for all the info
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04:16<Pulpie>Windows is unprotected sex. Linux is using a condom, the pill, a vasectomy, and the Berlin wall.
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04:35<rickbot>Pulpie: you make it sound like it isn't fun :D
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04:49<alaya>hmm, blosxom seems like it can't handle the actuall uploads to the web server? that is not good...
04:49<Kharn>good morning, afternoon, evening ... relative to your local time zone(s) :)
04:49<alaya>also, seems like it uses system-wide config instead of per-user, which i don't understand
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04:50<Kebianizao|work>could anyone tell me why pwncore was banned from here?
04:51<weasel>don't irc as root.
04:51<jm_>Kebianizao|work: nope, not anyone can
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04:51<jm_>but: *** pwncore is [network] (root)
04:51<Kebianizao|work>ahh, I see
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04:55<alaya>ok why is this command freaking out: apt-cache search blog |egrep -ri blog |less
04:55<Kebianizao|work>that guy was using a rescue cd, I'll try to help him
04:56<jm_>alaya: freaking out how?
04:56<alaya>i get output lines like: "./.bash_history:srch blog |less"
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04:56<dondelelcaro>alaya: because you're using -r?
04:56<alaya>oh crap i know why
04:56<jm_>maybe it's -r
04:57<kapil>alaya: AFAIK the "-r" option says search recursively. How does one search recursively in a pipeline?
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04:57<alaya>actually, no, i don't know why. i've used this command a zillion times and even have it as an alias in bash, but now its freaking out
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04:58<alaya>ok, maybe something did change with egrep, because dropping -r fixes it, but in past was never an issue
04:58<dondelelcaro>alaya: probably you just never noticed it because nothing in your cwd matched
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04:59<jm_>or it was too fast (simple tree)
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04:59*kapil wonders how many times he's said "but exactly the same command worked yesterday!"
04:59<alaya>this time it was very slow. always in the past it was fast
05:01<kapil>most recently. acpi sleep worked on my laptop till december and stopped working all of january. now in february its working again. i really wonder what changed!
05:01<alaya>am looking for a simple blog app that i can just edit text in vim, and run a command and have it upload to a specified web server
05:01<alaya>guess i could write a wrapper around blosxom
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05:02<petemc>alaya: i have a vague recollection of joey hess saying he does similar with his blog/wiki app - you might want to look into that
05:02<alaya>i only care about maybe 4 types of markup: bold, , code, html tag, and title
05:03<kapil>alaya: then "markdown" is the markup for you.
05:03<padski>alaya, bloxsom
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05:03<padski>ah, you said that already
05:03<alaya>thanks petemc and kapil i will check into both ideas
05:04<kapil>actually markdown is part of ikiwiki (joey hess' wiki software)
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05:06<alaya>heh i already found the page and was reading it when you typed that
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05:08<alaya>having some kind of date-recognition/insertion feature would be cool also, for indexing
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05:24<hendry>I keep running out of /tmp space, I was wondering if someone could checkout:
05:24<hendry>i don't think /dev/x61/swap_1 is used for my /tmp
05:25<hendry>though my fstab looks right
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05:30<adventurelanka>hello all ...i am a linux newbie and I would like some help with a command ..... i have a directory which has quite a few folders and files ...i want to move all the files/folders inside this directory out of it into the root of my webserver
05:30<adventurelanka>what is the command for this ?
05:30<sep>adventurelanka, mv ,,, read man mv
05:31<MoDaX>hendry: overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777)
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05:31<MoDaX>hendry: swap != tmp
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05:32<themill>adventurelanka: mv is short for move. mv file1 file2 /var/www/ (i.e. mv sources destination/)
05:34<hendry>MoDaX: oh, so how do you recommend I fix my /tmp issue?
05:35<themill>hendry: download less pr0n?
05:35<padski>hendry, maybe mount something substantial there ?
05:36<MoDaX>hendry: what files are filling up your /tmp?
05:37<jm_>hendry: or mount it with more space?
05:37<jm_>but you must be careful with that
05:38<hendry>MoDaX: general stuff. I've got 12K on there and something is moaning. :)
05:38<themill>hendry: you need to work out what's eating your disk space. A command like "du -k /tmp" would be a good start
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05:39<hendry>I did a fairly recent install of Debian lenny and I except /tmp to sweet
05:39<hendry>to be sweet :)
05:39<hendry>padski: how or what do you mount in /tmp?
05:40<hendry>i'm wondering what is the typical LVM way doing this
05:40<hendry>this "overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777)" is not working. wtf is overflow anyway.
05:40<MoDaX>hendry: good question
05:40<adventurelanka>guys there are over a 1000 files and about 25 folders
05:40<adventurelanka>I need to move all them at once
05:41<adventurelanka>I cant figure out the syntax
05:41<hendry>adventurelanka: `mv /srv/www/mywebsite/* /src/www/anotherwebsite` ?
05:42<themill>adventurelanka: you can use wildcards such as * to match multiple files
05:42<adventurelanka>similar to dos ?
05:42<adventurelanka>ok thanks will give that a go
05:42<hendry>adventurelanka: try on some TEST files first man
05:42<themill>adventurelanka: dos is similar to sh, yes
05:42<themill>in a broken sort of way
05:42<adventurelanka>will do
05:43<MoDaX>hendry: if you restart, you get the same?
05:44<kapil>hendry: kernel version?
05:46<padski>hendry, you mount filesystems, man 1 mount
05:46<padski>oops, mount(8)
05:46<jm_>hendry: size is in bytes - is it really 1MB?
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05:47<MoDaX>hendry: got it now. see /etc/rcS.d/S37mountoverflowtmp
05:47<MoDaX>hendry: your root partition is lacking free space
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05:48<padski>hendry, in that context 'overflow' is just a human-readable token that system doesn't care about (there is no dev parameter for tmpfs)
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05:48<padski>hendry, you could look at it as a hint :-)
05:49<kapil>the name is good but human-readable names as opposed to *real* filesystem names should have an attached warning!
05:49<pwncore>hey guys, i have a fairly big problem, from hte looks of it
05:50<pwncore>last night i tried to install mdacon, thinking it was for dual monitors, not for a second monitor hooked up to a different adapter
05:50<pwncore>using modconf
05:50<pwncore>when i told it to install, it said that my system might hang for up to a minute if the hardware wasn't there or wasn't configured correctly, then it hung for like 20 min
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05:51<pwncore>so i gaveit the ol ctrl-alt-del and it did nothin
05:51<pwncore>tapped the power button (laptop) and nothin
05:51<pwncore>finally after a few more minutes it restarted and sine then i can't boot
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05:51<pwncore>the last thing i see is this: then it hangs
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05:52<pumpkin0>pwncore: what happens in single user mode ? Or is that already single user ?
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05:52<kapil>pwncore: surely you can boot single user?!
05:52<pwncore>ummmm haven't tried actually....
05:52<pwncore>but i'm in system rescue cd right now and i have access to all my files
05:53<jm_>pwncore: try clocksource=tsc or clocksource=pit
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05:53<jm_>kernel parameter
05:54<kapil>pwncore: if you are in rescue cd then you can mount the root partition of your hd, chroot and re-run modconf to remove the offending module.
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05:54<pwncore>so by chroot you mean just type chroot? i haven't really done that
05:54<pwncore>oh hey, Pulpie did you ever find the background you were looking for
05:55<pumpkin0>pwncore: mount the HD, cd into the HD, run "chroot ."
05:55<pwncore>ah ok
05:55<kapil>pwncore: don't forget to exit the chroot and unmount the HD before rebooting.
05:55<pwncore>chroot: cannot change root directory to .: Operation not permitted
05:56<pumpkin0>pwncore: become root first.
05:56<pwncore>i am
05:56<pwncore>ok lots of this:
05:56<pwncore>/etc/zsh/zshrc:36: failed to load module: zsh/terminfo
05:56<pwncore>then this:
05:56<pwncore>/etc/zsh/zshrc:39: failed to load module: zsh/zle
05:56<pwncore>/etc/zsh/zshrc:zstyle:39: autoload failed
05:56<pwncore>zsh: failed to load module: zsh/zle
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05:57<pumpkin0>pwncore: you installed a fanncy bash replacement and now it acts up., Do you get a console ?
05:57<pwncore>i'm just using what's on system rescue cd
05:57<pwncore>yeah i did get a console
05:58<pumpkin0>pwncore: good, remove the module (blacklist, remove/rename the file.. anything.
05:58<kapil>pwncore: check df -k to see that you are actually on your HD
05:58<pwncore>actually i'm in a bit of a sticky situation since i mounted my partitions in their rightful places in /
05:58<pwncore>and now it won't let me take them back... but /etc should still be there so i'll try the blacklist
05:59<pumpkin0>pwncore: you mixed the live-CD with your own HD. reboot, get a clean live-CD going, then mount into another dir and chroot.
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05:59<pwncore>so if i just add mdacon to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist i'm golden right?
06:00<pumpkin0>pwncore: if it is really mdacon causeing this: yes. I would just renmae it in /lib/modules/.../
06:00<hendry>MoDaX: thanks for the debug, yes I need to increase my root
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06:01<MoDaX>hendry: increase root and reboot. everything will be fine
06:02<jm_>!tell pwncore -about blacklist
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06:04<pwncore>ok, i've smoked them out of their holes. anything else i should do before rebooting?
06:04<adventurelanka>thanks it worked like a charm
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06:07<pwncore>ok, i'll give it a try and come back
06:07<pwncore>thanks again all
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06:21<pwncore>it worked!
06:21<pwncore>htanks guys
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06:24<Plokko>debian lenny have a bug
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06:25<pwncore>this isn't so much a bug reporting channel
06:25<Plokko>yes,but 1 second...
06:25<Plokko>with update lilo can't load no more kernel
06:25<Plokko>kernel image too big
06:25<pwncore>that's a problem
06:25<pwncore>i would use grub
06:25<pwncore>it's better anyway
06:26<Plokko>...i used lilo because grub install failed
06:26<Plokko>i also prefear grub
06:26<pwncore>no bueno
06:26<pwncore>well i honestly don't know much about either
06:26<pwncore>i've been running linux for three days, for the first time in five years
06:26<pwncore>hopefully someone else in the room will wake up and see if they can help you
06:27<Plokko>...i'll reinstall it
06:27<Plokko>but it was an automatic update lol!
06:27<pwncore>try installing grub from etch
06:27<pwncore>i'm on etch and i've never had a problem with grub
06:28<pwncore>i'm booting lenny's version of the kernel from it too
06:28<jm_>just run grub-install
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06:37<asfixia>hello, what arch is recommended for a q6600? amd64?
06:39<asfixia>would be on a 4GB RAM, heard that with only 4GB ram is better to use 32bit arch for q6600, issit correct?
06:42<pwncore>i don't even know what a q6600 is...
06:42<asfixia>quad 2 core 2.4 (4 processors)
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06:43<tuxie_bob>hi any xen users...
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06:43<tuxie_bob>need help in xen domU creation
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06:48<Kharn>pwncore!!! how'd ur usb stuff go last nite?
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06:50<voraistos>hi :)
06:51<voraistos>i need some info thats not exactly debian related
06:51<sep>voraistos, then ask in a more apropriate channel ?
06:51<voraistos>where can i find a channel/website/something about network security ?
06:51<petemc>efnet, probably
06:51<voraistos>someone hacked my wifi network and id like to see whatever they are doing next time they connect
06:51<adventurelanka>I am running debian and the system had php5 and php4 ...... since I am installing moodle and need a stable version of GD i uninstalled php5 apache is no longer serving the index.php pahge although php4 is still there
06:52<adventurelanka>what can I do ?
06:52<sep>voraistos, you can try ##networking on freenode.
06:52<sep>perhaps not wifi related enoughf tho
06:52<voraistos>petemc: which channel(s) do you recommend ?
06:52<voraistos>sep: ty
06:52<voraistos>sep: i dont exactly need wifi stuff
06:52<petemc>voraistos: i dont know any offhand
06:53<voraistos>i just want to know everything thats going on on my network
06:53<voraistos>9its a router/switch/access point. something at home :)
06:54<voraistos>thanks sep and petemc
06:54<intheboat>how can i convert all files from a user to other user recurcevli
06:54<intheboat>user silensius to intheboat
06:55<voraistos>probably with -R ?
06:55<intheboat>but all of user contents
06:55<voraistos>just use * to say all files
06:55<voraistos>directories should follow with -R
06:55<intheboat>sorry but i'm a good user but not a admin linux
06:56<voraistos>me too :P
06:56<intheboat>chmod ?
06:56<asfixia>chown -R user:group directory
06:56<intheboat>ok thanks a lot
06:56<adventurelanka>hi all can somebody please help with my query ?
06:57<voraistos>hmm i dont see why you would remove php5
06:58<gsimmons>adventurelanka: Sounds like you don't have 'libapache2-mod-php4' or 'libapache-mod-php4' installed, depending the Apache version in use.
06:58<voraistos>bah, just use lighttpd
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06:58<voraistos>ditch apache
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06:58<adventurelanka>I removed php5 because i am installing moodle and php-GD is still unstable for php5 on debian
06:58<adventurelanka>I need php-gd
06:59<voraistos>compile from source
06:59<voraistos>-if it is only a not-so-up-to-date-repo problem
07:00<adventurelanka>its still listed as unstable at
07:00<voraistos>because it wasnt extensibly tested. thats how debian works.
07:00<voraistos>but then again i dont know what is php-GD
07:01<voraistos>what does it do ?
07:01<adventurelanka>php-gd is for handling images
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07:01<voraistos>like imagemagick thingy ?
07:01<voraistos>oh is it the security image thingy for sign-ups ?
07:02<adventurelanka>like imagemagick i would say
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07:03<adventurelanka>imagine a learning management system without image support
07:03<voraistos>did you try to install php5-gd ?
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07:03<voraistos>i actually have it
07:03<voraistos>running on etch
07:03<voraistos>in repo
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07:04<voraistos>etch is stable adventurelanka
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07:06<adventurelanka>its listed on as sid
07:06<adventurelanka>thats why i uninstalled it
07:07<adventurelanka>where can i find the etch version ?
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07:08<voraistos>its in the repo, definitely, my server actually uses it (i was looking at my root logs and i can actually see a line of apt-get install php5-gd :O )
07:09<voraistos>and i confirm this is for "creating" images.
07:09<voraistos>imagemagick deals with image formats.
07:09<voraistos>but i am no guru :)
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07:11<voraistos>adventurelanka: i would avoid any further apt-get remove php5 in the future. this can lead to a lot of problems, such as people connecting your website and downloading your php source files. :(
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07:12<voraistos> ?
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07:15<voraistos>adventurelanka: since you are installing a cms, just in case your server is -not-that-powerful, i wish to point you in the lighttpd direction. This thing runs tiki-wiki perfectly -i know its not moodle, but tikiwiki is heavy-, and with a few users online i get system ram use of around 70megs -for the entire system-.
07:15<themill>dpkg: greet tony
07:15<dpkg>Bonjour, tony
07:15<tony>i need help
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07:16<voraistos>dpkg -i random-package
07:16<voraistos>what kind of a bot is that ?
07:16*dpkg installs random-package into voraistos's head with a bone saw and a few screws
07:16<tony>i need to find a driver to support the webcam i just bought(arcsoft gigaware)
07:17<tony>any suggestions
07:17<themill>tony: plug it in and look for its id number in lsusb is a good start
07:18<jm_>tony: try gspca perhaps
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07:18<tony>where can i find that?
07:18<jm_>it lists gigaware
07:18<asfixia>anyone knows what arch is recommended for a q6600 (quad 2 core 2.4 64b (4 processors))? amd64? heard that with only 4GB ram is better to use 32bit arch for q6600, is it correct? 32b vs 64b, which one? tx.- it's for a webserver
07:18<voraistos>then look at your kernel .config, see that all usb drivers are compiled as modules, be crazy, modprobe everything, and see how badly it doesnt work :P
07:19<jm_>asfixia: you'll probably lose some RAM with 32bit
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07:19<tony>this is all french to me
07:19<asfixia>jm_: what about pae kernel?
07:19<asfixia>i'm afraid of 64b arch will consume too much memory for 64b integers on ram, dunno
07:20<jm_>asfixia: well you can try it and see how much it gives you, but it often doesn't help
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07:20<jm_>asfixia: naah, it won't be so much more
07:20<voraistos>dont forget to enable that amount of ram in kernel config
07:22<asfixia>ic, tx. ram isn't a probl since there's docs on inet talking bout that, but q6600 with amd64 or i386 is the point, not too much googlin =/
07:22<voraistos>tony: apt-get install usbutils or usb-utils or something like that :P
07:22<jm_>well if losing 500M is not a problem then you can safely go with 32bit
07:22<voraistos>err. id go for amd64
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07:23<torrr>I have a strange thing
07:23<torrr>my 1000Mbps nic does 10Mbps
07:23<asfixia>with amd64 there's no probls with 32 bit app compat, right?
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07:24<torrr>(and I have an other 10Mpbs nic on the same pc)
07:24<torrr>can anyone help?
07:24<jm_>there are packages with 32bit libs that can be used etc.
07:24<voraistos>lemme guess... your 1000megabitps nic does 120mbytes per second except it is connected to a switch that has 100mbps ports...
07:25<voraistos>what is it connected to ?
07:25<torrr>and the swich is 1000Mbps
07:25<jm_>use ethtool or mii-diag to find out how link is configured
07:25<voraistos>did you check the drivers and kernel config ?
07:26<torrr>I did ethtool , but it said speed: 1000Mbps
07:26<asfixia>tx jm_, voraistos. i was confused about amd64 for intel, but ic it's correct, as 64b int for 4gb ram isn't a probl apparently. i have few days to move production box =|
07:26<jm_>asfixia: yes, that's not a problem, it works fine with Intel CPU-s too
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07:26<torrr>(ethtool eth0 is what I did)
07:27<voraistos>hmm what is the hardware layer ?
07:27<jm_>how do you mean it does 1MB/s then?
07:27<voraistos>cat3 not-even-copper cable ?
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07:29<voraistos>dont be offended by my lack of vocabulary, but a long, bad cable could be the cause
07:29<torrr>jm_, it does 8Mbps
07:29<jm_>torrr: how are you measuring it?
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07:30<torrr>jm_, from time of download of a big file, and from WinSCP stated speed, and from windows taskmanager received byetes per interval
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07:30<voraistos>torr : do you have a web server running ?
07:30<voraistos>and a decent file to Dl ?
07:31<jm_>torrr: well how do you know the problem is not on the other end then?
07:31<adventurelanka>should i reinstall apache ?
07:31<voraistos>or lighttpd or something light, just for testing purposes
07:32<voraistos>gimme your ip and a file to dl, and ill give you the max speed i get
07:32<torrr>jm_, well, I have two other machines that show the same speed
07:32<jm_>torrr: do you have any cross-cables to connect them without switch and test transfers like that?
07:33<voraistos>something as long as a metre.
07:33<torrr>voraistos, My ADSL connection is not capable of more then 250Mbps, so it will not help
07:33<jm_>torrr: you can use web server internally :)
07:33<voraistos>sorry i thought you had it on a data center somewhere
07:33<torrr>I meant 250Kbps
07:33<voraistos>i realised that :P
07:34<voraistos>those kmgbB always get me confused too :)
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07:35<voraistos>this NIC of yours that does 1000m, what kind of machine is it installed on ?
07:35<voraistos>something with a lot of ram and a few CPU's ?
07:35<torrr> can I connect from the card to itself via the switch?
07:35<voraistos>i doubt that
07:36<torrr>it is a dual core p4
07:36<torrr>with 3.2GB ram
07:36<voraistos>hdds arent old 20megs 2rpm i suppose. disturbing.
07:36<jm_>maybe try forcing the speed to 100Mbps and see if it goes fast with that
07:36<jm_>well faster
07:37<torrr>how to forece?
07:38<voraistos>torrr you should be able somehow to setup 2 IPs on one nick -but you need to install some routing software on the server...-, however it wouldnt go through the switch. if you had a big router you could probably do that though.
07:38<jm_>ethtool, module options
07:38<voraistos>nick= NIC
07:38<voraistos>damn it
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07:41<torrr> ethtool --change eth0 speed 100
07:41<torrr>I did that but it returns to 1000
07:44<torrr>jm_, module options?
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07:49<Pulpie>hey how do i install a way to uncompress .rar files?
07:49<dpkg>i heard unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
07:50<Pulpie>sep: unrar is not a package
07:51<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security>
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07:51<sep>Pulpie, it's in non-free
07:52<Pulpie>but the non-free isn't extracting files at all
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07:54<Pulpie>here is what happens when i try to extract a rar file
07:54<Pulpie>it creates the dir but no files are extracted
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07:55<Pulpie>what should i do to this this sep?
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07:56<pumpkin0>Pulpie: "unrar file.rar" (w/o knowing the whole story)
07:56<Knorrie>no, "unrar x file.rar"
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07:58<Pulpie>none of that is working
07:58<Knorrie>yes, see unrar --help
07:58<Pulpie>!unrar gui
07:58<dpkg>unrar is, like, a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
07:59<kcynice>my totem can't play mp3 now,only can play rmvb files.someone woule like to tell me how to fix it?
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07:59<dpkg>somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
08:00<Pulpie>!non-free sources
08:00<dpkg>i guess non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
08:00<kcynice>for me?
08:01<suiside>Pulpie: you know, you can query dpkg
08:01<jm_>torrr: try disabling autonegotiation too
08:02<suiside>Pulpie: sure the file you are trying to extract isn't broken?
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08:02<Pulpie>suiside: yes i am sure
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08:03<Pulpie>suiside: do u know the non-free lenny source?
08:03<bhola>hi all
08:03<jm_>try using rar instead of unrar
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08:03<byspeed_eee>Well, i got a little problem with debian: someties it freezes for a sec, then it works a sec, then t freezes again... and every unfreeze the hdd led lights up. What could this be? If i do top, i see that the usage gets down during the lags, and the sound alsohas a little problem after the lags
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08:04<Pulpie>jm_: i don't think that makes sense
08:04<jm_>Pulpie: how can it not make sense?
08:04<suiside>Pulpie: what do you mean "non-free lenny source"?
08:04<bhola>how can i play .flv file in debian?
08:05<jm_>bhola: mplayer for example
08:05<suiside>Pulpie: the repositories are the smae, you just need to enable non-free, read the apt-howto on if you don't know how
08:05<Pulpie>suiside: a non-free lenny repo
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08:05<Pulpie>suiside: I have read that document it is not working for me...
08:05<suiside>Pulpie: what exaclt have you tried?
08:06<bhola>jm_:can't i play through totem?
08:06<bhola>i installed adobe-flash player but still it is not playing
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08:06<Pulpie>suiside: deb stable main contrib non-free is not lenny it is stable
08:06<suiside>bah, s/exaclt/exactly
08:06<byspeed_eee>use gnash
08:06<Pulpie>so do i just change stable to lenny
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08:06<byspeed_eee>adobe does not work properly
08:06<Pulpie>or do i change it to testing
08:07<Pulpie>or does it matter?
08:07<suiside>Pulpie: so change stable to lenny
08:07<Pulpie>are you sure suiside ?
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08:07<pumpkin0>suiside: you really want him to mix distri ?
08:07<suiside>Pulpie: well, if you want to change to lenny, I'm not sure you want to do that though
08:07<padski>!tell bhola bout flash
08:07<jm_>bhola: no idea, I never used it
08:07<Pulpie>suiside: because i am on lenny
08:08<suiside>Pulpie: then why have you got stable repositories in your sources.list?
08:08<padski>!tell bhola about flash
08:08<Pulpie>I don't have them in my list
08:08<Pulpie>they are on the site that u said to go to
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08:08<Pulpie>that doesn't support lenny
08:09<suiside>Pulpie: did you read the howto at all?
08:09<byspeed_eee>Well, i got a little problem with debian: someties it freezes for a sec, then it works a sec, then t freezes again... and every unfreeze the hdd led lights up. What could this be? If i do top, i see that the usage gets down during the lags, and the sound alsohas a little problem after the lags
08:09<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: you run it on a eee or on a PC with normal HD ?
08:09<byspeed_eee>EEE ;)
08:10<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: check dmesg for WLAN-problems.
08:10<byspeed_eee>the sound i checked for now.... no prblems, just a hidden player in a website
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08:11<Pulpie>suiside: thank you for your attempts to help. they did not work, I have figure it out for myself. Please try to be more helpful toward others by trying to get full information. Thank you again for your efforts and I'm happy to have you actually try.
08:11<byspeed_eee>pumpkin0: the ath0 tells me that it couldnt reset the channel
08:11<byspeed_eee>but i dnt know what channel... just installed this, and did not configure it :?
08:11<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: once per startup or several times ?
08:11<byspeed_eee>several times
08:12<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: which guide did you follow ?
08:12<byspeed_eee>aaahm, moment
08:12<suiside>Pulpie: right
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08:13<byspeed_eee>loook the Wifi sec
08:13<byspeed_eee>i turned wlan off for now, but the lags are still there
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08:14<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: remove the kernel module too.
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08:14<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: now check the RAM. Howh much free RAM does "free" report ?
08:15<byspeed_eee>well, how to remove? iam a linux newbie ;)
08:15<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: "rmmod ath_pci"
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08:15<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: (run as root).
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08:16<suiside>Pulpie: if you are running lenny/testing you'd propably have something like 'deb testing main' (testing or lenny) in your /etc/sources.list, now to enable non-free repositories you'd just append 'non-free' to the end of that line and run 'aptitude update'
08:17<byspeed_eee>pumpkin0: about 2200k free
08:17<byspeed_eee>like before
08:18<byspeed_eee>pumpkin0: about 22000k free correction
08:18<Pulpie>suiside: i figured that out...
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08:18<Pulpie>suiside: but thank you very much.
08:18<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: 2MB (even 22MB) free RAM means the system will be swaping a lot. swaping on the eee is slow and causes a hang. What do you run ? iceweasl ?
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08:19<byspeed_eee>but i dont have a swpa ;)
08:19<byspeed_eee>so it can not be it swaps
08:19<themill>pumpkin0: low free ram doesn't necessarily mean swapping... it can just mean dropping caches when things get tight.
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08:19<pumpkin0>it should run out of RAM in that case ...
08:19<byspeed_eee>but it doent
08:20<pumpkin0>free RAM as in RAM not in use by caches. 2. line of free, not the first line.
08:20<bruce_>hey guys. i just installed ClamTK virus scanner but this came up: Warning: No virus definitions found! can anyone enlighten me on how this scanner works? i apreciate the help
08:21<byspeed_eee>pumpkin0: in mem: 35000 free
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08:22<Aero>hi@ all - i got a stupid "error" and do not know, how to help me.... I try to run Debian 4rc2 with VMWARE (HostOS is windows XP Pro.) everything works fine - but when i try to port it to another computer the network does not work - cause he did not find the card (it emulates an other) how can i say my debian: use my other Networkcard? (i want to mount it as sth. like eth1 or so)
08:22<sep>Aero, load the correct kernel module for your nic
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08:27<Aero>and how sep ?
08:27<Aero>*linux noob*
08:28<Aero>with modconf? i tried via /kernel/drivers/net but nothing happens (just returned to the mainmenu after pressing return)
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08:31<jm_>Aero: no, modconf doesn't work for 2.6 kernels - /msg dpkg which driver
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08:33<torrr>jm_, it didn't help
08:33<torrr>jm_, tried 100Mbps and 10Mpbs all the same 8Mpbs
08:34<jm_>torrr: well I would use some simpler test to eliminate other factors then and cross cable
08:34<byspeed_eee>okay, problem solved i think... no more hangups..
08:34<byspeed_eee>but for the future: how to VOID? OTHER RAM?
08:34<byspeed_eee>sorry, cap
08:35<byspeed_eee>sorry, caps
08:35<torrr>jm_, crosscable? to avoid the switch?
08:35<jm_>torrr: yes
08:36<torrr>jm_, I am quite sure my switch is good
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08:37<torrr>jm_, it is a dlink dgs1648t if i recall
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08:39<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: what did you change ?
08:39<byspeed_eee>nothing... closed the iceweasel and use rythmbox now
08:40<byspeed_eee>now i got abt 50% of free ram
08:40<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: so you lowered the amount of RAM used. OK, good one.
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08:40<byspeed_eee>i will get a gbit ram :P
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08:40<jm_>torrr: might be
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08:40<pumpkin0>byspeed_eee: some sides show how to upgrade the RAM on a eee. (GByte, not GBit, Gbit would be ~100MB).
08:41<byspeed_eee>yes, i know, but my problem is the money :P
08:41<byspeed_eee>eh, i ment gbyte.. iam a little bit tired because of school...
08:42<jm_>Aero: stick it in /etc/modules manually for example
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08:43<Aero>just type eth0 ?
08:43<byspeed_eee>hmm, you knw a good tutorial to wrte scripts? .sh scrips.. i want to use some hotkeys
08:43<byspeed_eee>and for that i need scripts
08:43<byspeed_eee>and i also want to suspend when i close the screen
08:44<jm_>no, man modules - name of the module goes in there
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08:46<steven>Hi is Lexmark Printers Compatible with Debian i386
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08:47<steven>I just came off that site
08:47<steven>Couldnt find no Drivers
08:47<Aero>hmmm... the man modules does not help -_- where can i read the possible modules ?
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08:47<jm_>I told you -- /msg dpkg which driver
08:47<chaka>hello everybody <--- new to debian here to learn
08:48<Aero>file not found ^^
08:48<jm_>type that in your IRC client ;)
08:48<steven>Its the Lexmark z1420
08:48<Aero>... *i need holiday*
08:48<byspeed_eee>*me too*
08:49<noflash>chaka, the installation manual and the reference are good
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08:50<chaka>cool i would like to read the reference files thank you
08:50<jm_>yeah it says z1420 doesn't work
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08:50<Tuxfighter>hi all
08:51<chaka>Hi Tux
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08:51<Tuxfighter>i looking for some official repository
08:51<Tuxfighter>but i cant found them
08:51<Tuxfighter>can somebody help me?
08:51<dpkg>[debian mirrors] or | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see, or
08:52<chaka>im new to deb but do you mean the non free repositories @ TUX
08:52<byspeed_eee>chaka, after you read them, you will wish you had not read them :P
08:53<chaka>lol why is that Byspeed ?
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08:53<byspeed_eee>they are as big as the world trade center :P
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08:53<chaka>oh i see
08:53<byspeed_eee>as the ex_world trade center
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08:54<Tuxfighter>ok thanks but im a beginner in debian world and my distros name is lenny testing,and etch r2, i would like to specify for these distros
08:55<jm_>use apt-spy or netselect-apt
08:55<jm_>installer also creates sources.list file for you
08:55<nowhere_man>I just tried to install the Flash player from within Iceweasel (when the warning about needed plugins shows up), and I was surprised it did everything by himself (not asking me to go to some Adobe's web page)
08:55<Tuxfighter>i have got 2 pc celeron 2600mhz and a dual core pc celeron is using etch r2 dual core using lenny testing
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08:56<chaka>what is apt-spy what does it do ?
08:56<jm_>apt-cache show apt-spy
08:56<byspeed_eee>apt is the package manager
08:56<nowhere_man>but after that, the Flash plugin isn't showed as installed, even if I restart IW
08:56<themill>!tell nowhere_man about adobe flash
08:56<chaka>i know apt i use it all the time but what is apt -spy
08:57<nowhere_man>I checked, and in ~/.firefox/plugins/ there's the a SO file with the same MD5 as the one distributed by Adobe currently, in their linux installer
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08:57<nowhere_man>(, that is)
08:57<byspeed_eee>well, type the command and you get details about the apt-spy package
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09:00<byspeed_eee>but i dont get throught hi package :P
09:00<jm_>Tuxfighter: please no msgs, you can ask here
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09:01<Tuxfighter>how can i get configure my apt list?
09:02<Tuxfighter>for example
09:02<Aero>well jm_ i wrote pcnet32 to /etc/modules rebbot nothing happens... ifup eth0 returns with: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device \n Bind socket to interface: No such device \n Failed to bring up eth0.
09:02<Tuxfighter>but the contrib main contrib non free is unconfigured on this ftp
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09:03<jm_>Tuxfighter: copy the examples from the web page and modify host
09:03<jm_>Aero: modprobe pcnet32 first
09:04<jm_>Aero: after that: ls /sys/class/net
09:04<Tuxfighter>deb-src unstable main contrib non-free
09:04<jm_>Tuxfighter: don't use unstable
09:04<Tuxfighter>jm: i m afraid of
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09:04<Tuxfighter>debian etch is uncompatible with my 8600gt
09:05<Tuxfighter>but lenny is compatible
09:05<Aero>well if anyone can suggest me a good debian book i would buy it -_-
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09:06<pumpkin0>Tuxfighter: there is a non-debian way to get it working (lenny has no nvidia-drivers, you are looking at sid which is even more dangerous). no offical support here, but it is easy.
09:06<jm_>Tuxfighter: I have used nvidia drivers from lenny with etch, but you can use lenny instead of unstable then
09:06<chaka>there is a debian linux for dummies book on Amazon or the the dummies site
09:06<jm_>actually I used it from sid
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09:07<Tuxfighter>im using nvidia driver 169.09 from
09:07<Aero>jm_ ls 7sys/class/net gave: eth1 lo sit0 --> ifup eth1 --> Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.
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09:07<Tuxfighter>this is brand new
09:08<Tuxfighter>and my vga card fully functional
09:08<jm_>Aero: right, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and remove the line for eth0
09:08<pumpkin0>Tuxfighter: in that case you don't need lenny or sid packages to get the nvidia-driver working.
09:08<chaka>what is the best debain forum on the net ?
09:08<jm_>Aero: or comment it out
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09:09<dpkg>forums is probably, or (basically dead)
09:09<jm_>Aero: and any eth1 entries that are in there too
09:09<Aero>well, i think it is really stupid to make a testsystem, which is portable with debian -_-
09:09<chaka>cool im checking them out now, thank you !
09:09<Tuxfighter>what are ylou think about debian etch r2 the x environment will be work ?
09:10<Tuxfighter>after the first install?
09:10<adventurelanka>hello everybody
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09:10<jm_>Tuxfighter: vesa driver shall work, but it's not very fast
09:10<adventurelanka>i still cannot get apache to work
09:10<pumpkin0>Tuxfighter: yes, but w/o any hardware support (slow, little/no 3D)
09:10<adventurelanka>please help
09:10<jm_>Tuxfighter: but that's the same with r0 release too
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09:11<adventurelanka>should i remove apache and reinstall it ?
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09:11<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: purge it and reinstall.
09:11<Tuxfighter>because i tried 2 weeks ago debian etch r0 and my x was unworkable
09:11<pumpkin0>Tuxfighter: slow and little resolution or not working at all ?
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09:12<adventurelanka>can I simply remove it using webmin ?
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09:12<Torsten_W>there is no webmin in debian
09:12<Lynoure>adventurelanka: I would, if I had it.
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09:12<steven>hi, can somebody tell me how to get my cam working, the driver disk is only for a crazy firm called mic....doof
09:13<adventurelanka>I understand but I have installed it and it works fine (webmin) so can i uninstall apache through webmin ?
09:13<Tuxfighter>pumpkin0 yes
09:13<Tuxfighter>my x was unworkable
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09:13<Tuxfighter>im afraid of the stable etch
09:13<pumpkin0>Tuxfighter: you answer with yes to a option 1 or option 2 question ?
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09:14<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: no, you can't.
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09:15<steven>i take that as nobody out there knows
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09:16<pumpkin0>steven: w/o and info about the cam: yes.
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09:17<steven>how can i get it running
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09:17<steven>dont understand w7o
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09:17<Torsten_W>steven: no one knows "my cam"
09:18<pumpkin0>steven: how can i tell you without knowing which cam it is ? I can guess and start with the first (of ~80000) cams debian supports ...
09:18<steven>its logitec
09:18<Torsten_W>steven: there is no one around with a crystal ball
09:18<pumpkin0>down to about 350 choices...
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09:19<steven>quickcam 9,5 sorry for the bad info
09:19<Torsten_W>is it a usb-cam, a lsusb was helpfull
09:20<Aero>jm_: yeah, now it works, but i found out, that i can modify the virtual mac adress in the config file too, so i do not need it... *happy*
09:21<Aero>so: thank you very very much - Need to buy a debian book...
09:22<adventurelanka>pumpkin0: I found all the apache modules on the server should i purge them all
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09:22<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: if you want a fresh start: yes. Butstop using webmin. webmin will get you into trouble fast.
09:22<steven>so you have the info logitech quickcam 9.5 usb cam
09:23<adventurelanka>what can I use then ?
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09:24<themill>steven: probably qc-usb-utils with qc-usb-modules (and module-assistant to compile them)
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09:24<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: apt-get, aptitude, synaptic,...
09:24<steven>thanks ill give it atry
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09:26<adventurelanka>pumpkin0: so do you recommend not installing a CP at all and administer through CLI purely ?
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09:26<Chr0nicles>cp the root of all evil
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09:27<Chr0nicles>but if you must run the cp on a cleansysteem in some security context of your own choice
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09:28<adventurelanka>I just installed debian on the system
09:28<adventurelanka>was configuring it when Apache went berserk
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09:29<Chr0nicles>We run a heavily edited/hacked Cpanel only because the majority of our clients requested it.
09:30<Chr0nicles>However: All system administration configuration is done from CLI
09:30<adventurelanka>i understand
09:30<Chr0nicles>just Cpanel options for basic domain/vhosts useage
09:30<adventurelanka>I am somewhat scared of CLI
09:30<Chr0nicles>don't be
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09:31<Chr0nicles>its a real pleasure when you get used to ti
09:31<adventurelanka>so i have been told
09:31<adventurelanka>must spend more time getting familiar with it
09:31<Chr0nicles>what is it what 'borks' you from using cli?
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09:31<adventurelanka>the fact that I am not familiar with the commands and that I can do some serious damage to the system
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09:32<Chr0nicles>and you think you don't serieus damage ur system when using a CP ?
09:32<Chr0nicles>my bad :P
09:32<adventurelanka>i have sort of realized that now :)
09:32<Chr0nicles>is it a production server?
09:32<Chr0nicles>or still in testing?
09:33<adventurelanka>still testing phase ... i am installing moodle for the school i teach at
09:33<adventurelanka>spent the entire day yesterday installing debian over KVM IP
09:33<Chr0nicles>if in testing i recommend a clean install and use the pkg system (aptitude) to install services like webserver/ftp/ etc
09:33<Chr0nicles>ah ;)
09:33<Chr0nicles>we use dell drac :/
09:34<Chr0nicles>it works ok
09:34<adventurelanka>the KVM console kept sending additional characters to the system
09:34<adventurelanka>which meant typing an IP in was hell on earth\
09:34<adventurelanka>i couldnt figure out why that was
09:35<adventurelanka>I was told by support that It was how these particular KVM's behaved
09:35<Chr0nicles>probably crlf/nl strings etc
09:35<adventurelanka>imaging trying to login for the first time :)
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09:35<adventurelanka>where would i find the apache libs ? I am going to apt-get remove all the apache modules
09:36<adventurelanka>and install again
09:36<Chr0nicles>use aptitude
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09:36<adventurelanka>is that apt-get ?
09:36<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: aptitude will remove everything that needs apache to live. Problem solved.
09:37<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: apt-get and aptitude are 2 different things. aptitude will give you a nice gui to work with.
09:37<adventurelanka>ok so I have to install it ?
09:38<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: it is installed by default.
09:38<adventurelanka>i still have webmin on the system ....will it cause any problems ...btw i can only access the server through SSH
09:38<adventurelanka>the server is remote
09:38<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: ssh is enough to do anyting on the server, up to and including X.
09:38<chaka>part #debian
09:38<Chr0nicles>ssh is your friend ;)
09:39<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: and aptitude is a console based GUI tool.
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09:39<adventurelanka>so can i run aptitude through SSH ?
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09:39<adventurelanka>ok got it
09:40<Chr0nicles>same +- syntax as apt-get
09:40<adventurelanka>I dont suppose you can tell me how to do it :)
09:40<Chr0nicles>first take a look at the documentation.
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09:40<pumpkin0>adventurelanka: connect via ssh, beomce root and run "aptitude".
09:40<adventurelanka>i thought you would say that :) ... and actually i am in aptitude now
09:41<adventurelanka>wow looks cool
09:41<padski>EXT3-fs: ext3_add_entry: bad entry in directory #414342: rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=0, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0
09:41<adventurelanka>will get back when I slay the dragon
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09:42<Chr0nicles>k gl ;)
09:42<Chr0nicles>and don't forget aptitude --help
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09:48<padski>got that ext3 error running build-simple-cdd --qemu ...
09:49<koollman>is there a netboot image with a recent kernel ( > 2.6.18) ? I am trying to boot a ibm x3550 with adaptec aac card and SAS disks, but I can't manage to detect the disk
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09:50<padski>... ah! because I ran out of space. d'oh!
09:52<witte>!tell koollman about etch 2.6.23
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09:52<witte>koollman: or use a testing image (if you want to use testing anyhow)
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09:54<koollman>witte: well ... it's almost that. but I would like the netboot version and I can't find it anywhere, only iso images
09:55<witte>koollman: ah, sorry , read it to fast :-)
09:55<witte>koollman: don't know where you can find a etch 2.6.23 netboot image...
09:55<koollman>oh ... there are small links to the netboot tarball in the link ... that should work :)
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09:56<koollman>mmm ... .jp is like ... far far away from my network :)
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09:57<koollman>meh ... I need more coffee
09:58<witte>!coffee koolman
09:58*dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for koolman, courtesy of witte
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09:58<witte>!coffee koollman
09:58*dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for koollman, courtesy of witte
09:58<dpkg>[jp] Japan
09:58<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:59<softwork>br != pq
09:59<themill>softwork: leave the bot alone... what can we do for you.
09:59<softwork>br != pt
09:59<witte>!tell softwork about msg the bot
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10:00<kubitz>Hi there
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10:00<simon_42>koollman: I think that's what you are looking for...
10:01<kubitz>I'm having real trouble getting kgpg to work
10:01<kubitz>I can use the cli gpg ok but kgpg isn't playing
10:01<kubitz>What would stop it reading the keyring?
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10:03<koollman>simon_42: yep. I found it because dpkg knows everything, and witte helped a little bit :)
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10:03<kubitz>oh damn I've just figured it out after all
10:03<kubitz>sorry to bother you then
10:04<kubitz>I should have tried harder :)
10:05<kubitz>right seeya later
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10:10<padski>I have simple-cdd 0.36 installed on etch, and kqemu installed and loaded. when I build-simple-cdd --qemu the kernel crashes on boot.
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10:14<koollman>now ... that's not funny. the 'recent' image does not detect the network... the old one did
10:14<koollman>I think I will need to build my own kernel ... nobody ever installed debian on IBMx3550 before ? :/
10:17<koollman>padski: no useful help at the end of this thread. and it's the only one I can find.
10:18<padski>koollman, but it does answer your question ;-)
10:18<witte>koollman: can't you manually insert the right network module?
10:18<witte>koollman: go to a console, and modprobe the right one
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10:19<softwork>koollman: install ubuntu
10:19<softwork>detects all hardware
10:20<softwork>ubuntu server is good too
10:20<koollman>softwork: I could do that. I just want to test the hardware anyway. if debian can't be installed on server hardware ... well, that's bad :)
10:21<softwork>i use ubuntu, it debian some hardware dont detect,
10:22<witte>softwork: ubuntu == debian unstable with more gui enabled per default, and less strickt rules about open source ness
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10:22<witte>softwork: go with your advertisements for ubuntu to #ubuntu please
10:22<koollman>witte: but, it detects hardware :)
10:22<themill>softwork: debian vs ubuntu means nothing in terms of hardware detection. They are the same kernels, after all. The only difference is what non-free drivers get shipped by default.
10:22<azeem_>the rules aren't less strict, but different
10:22<koollman>themill: actually, they are not
10:22<avtobiff>they are too less strict
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10:23<themill>koollman: close enough for government work :)
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10:23<softwork>themill, ah
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10:24<softwork>themill, because in ubuntu keyboard special keys works and wireless cards, .... in debian dont work automatic, is negative point....
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10:25<azeem_>softwork: comparing Debian and Ubuntu in here is off-topic
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10:25<softwork>azeem_, yes
10:25<softwork>azeem, yes
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10:28<karloff>TO ALL! Could anybody give me advance? I want install debian on Compact Flash and make system, which can load from CF, but work in RAM memory only
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10:36<knoppix_>hi @ alll
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10:42<padski>echo "take one etch system" ; apt-get install qemu kqemu-common kqemu-modules-$(uname -r); qemu-img create -f qcow test.hd.img 2G; qemu -kernel-kqemu -hda test.hd.img -cdrom debian-40r2-i386-businesscard.iso -boot d; echo "will crash"
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10:54<fanny>Bon merci en tout cas, ca marche d'iw config à gnome. A bientot
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10:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
10:57<parigi>hello, is this the right place for a beginner seeking advice about a remote debian upgrade :)
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10:58<parigi>i should give some detail maybe. I have a sarge debian i would like to upgrade to etch
10:59<parigi>and following the release notes had no luck
10:59<azeem>parigi: what were the problems
11:00<parigi>hi azeem: the upgrade goes smoothly but i can't ping back or ssh after the reboot
11:00<parigi>you certainly need more details :)
11:00<parigi>please ask
11:00<parigi>only thing i didn't upgrade was the kernel
11:01<azeem>was it a 2.4 kernel?
11:01<parigi>because it's a custom one installed by them
11:01<parigi>no it's already a 2.6
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11:01<parigi>2.6.23 in fact which seems weird
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11:01<parigi>but they recommend not to remove it
11:02<parigi>because of the risk of loosing networking
11:02<azeem>well hrm
11:02<azeem>do you have access to some serial console or so?
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11:02<parigi>my serial console is very unreliable
11:03<parigi>but i can try
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11:03<parigi>in fact i reimaged back to 3.1
11:04<parigi>upgraded installed my software but i don't dare reboot again :)
11:04<parigi>5 trials to no avail
11:04<parigi>and a reimaging back to 3.1 every time
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11:04<parigi>how long can i survive without a reboot?
11:04<azeem>parigi: can you supervise the boot process via the serial console?
11:05<parigi>i think i can
11:05<parigi>i'm no expert though
11:05<azeem>it's hard to tell what goes wrong if all the information is "doesn't ping"
11:05<parigi>well if i can't ping my server
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11:05<parigi>nor ssh to it
11:06<parigi>seems to have no networking after the reboot (shutdown -r now)
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11:07<parigi>i followed the "Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("etch")" step by step
11:07<parigi>only avoiding the kernel upgrade
11:07<parigi>i can even tell you i'm hosted at 1&1 :)
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11:08<parigi>bad news heh
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11:08<parigi>that's the cheapest money can buy
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11:09<parigi>do you think my problem may be related to they having a funny static dhcp routing?
11:09<parigi>can you give me advice if i give you the content of my /etc/network/interfaces ?
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11:13<parigi>azeem: what should i be watching for if i go through my serial console?
11:15<parigi>this blog post points to a problem with the interfaces and routing:
11:15<parigi>do you think that makes sense?
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11:16<loz>is there a gutsy chan i ca visit?
11:16<bkw>I have a intel dp965lt(ich8) mobo. Is it possible to get the cd/dvd drive detected with a debian default 2.6.18-6 kernel?
11:19<craigevil>lox #ubuntu
11:19<adventurelanka>hi guys
11:19<Chr0nicles>wb ;)
11:19<adventurelanka>I have tried and retried
11:19<adventurelanka>but it just isnt working
11:19<craigevil>loz: #ubuntu
11:19<Chr0nicles>What isn't working? O.o
11:19<Chr0nicles>You wanted to get rid of CP right?
11:19<adventurelanka>I keep getting the same error on the my browser
11:20<adventurelanka>the webmin CP is around but i uninstalled and installed using aptitude
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11:20<adventurelanka>but i keep getting application/x-httpd-php
11:20<adventurelanka>when i type in my ip address or URL in the browser
11:20<Chr0nicles>you sure you need webmin?
11:21<adventurelanka>I would prefer to leave it in there for the moment at least
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11:21<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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11:23<valdyn>bkw: probably not
11:23<valdyn>!find ahci.ko
11:23<bkw>valdyn: How do I get it working then?
11:23<dpkg>Debian Search of 'ahci.ko' (3 of 4): (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/drivers/ata/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/ata/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/ata/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64.
11:23<valdyn>!find ahci.ko etch
11:23<valdyn>bkw: /msg dpkg kmuto
11:23<dpkg>Debian Search of 'ahci.ko' (4 of 9): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64.
11:23<valdyn>bkw: the proper drive is in etch, i cant tell if your specific device will work with it
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11:24<bkw>valdyn: I loaded ahci on etch with .6.18, but the drive didn't appear in dmesg
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11:24<valdyn>bkw: use one of kmutos installers
11:25<bkw>I tried kmuto 2.6.24, when I tried mounting the disc the system freezed
11:25<bkw>the device was detected, but computer freezed when I was trying to use it...
11:25<valdyn>bkw: so use 2.6.23
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11:26<bkw>uhm.. why would it work with .23 but not .24?
11:26<valdyn>bkw: does it matter, why?
11:27<bkw>not really, but do you think it will solve the problem at all?
11:27<valdyn>bkw: im just telling you it might work with .23, you dont have to try.
11:27<valdyn>bkw: ich8 has been supported for a while, if 2.6.24 crashes due to ahci.ko and your hardware that could just aswell be a regression as an old bug
11:28<valdyn>bkw: i didnt think that ich8 has a pata controller at all though, or is that a sata cdrom?
11:29<bkw>pata cdrom, sata disks
11:29<valdyn>bkw: ok, are you even sure that your cdrom isnt really driven by jmicron?
11:29<bkw>the installation of debian couldn't even detect it.. so I had to use a usb memory stick...
11:29<valdyn>bkw: and NOT ahci?
11:30<bkw>ahci 17924 0 is loaded atm, but dmesg doesn't show any cd :(
11:30<valdyn>bkw: yes, thats not news
11:31<valdyn>bkw: with 2.6.18 its not news anyway
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11:31<valdyn>bkw: do a lspci | grep IDE
11:31<bkw>00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) 03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6101 (rev b1)
11:32<valdyn>bkw: there you go, this really is a marvell pata
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11:32<valdyn>bkw: ahci has nothign to do with it
11:33<bkw>ok.. is it more trouble trying to get it going on 2.6.18 than .23?
11:33<valdyn>bkw: its obviously not working at all with .18
11:33<bkw>.24 freezed the whole system so that didn't work
11:34<valdyn>bkw: i would try .23. if that doesnt work, you probably wont get it to run atm
11:34<bkw>A friend of mine had it working on ubuntu.. I don't know what support he had on that kernel :/
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11:35<valdyn>bkw: so ask him or check
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11:35<bkw>he said he is sorry and can't recall.. (which prolly is the most annoying :)
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11:36<valdyn>bkw: oh your debian is already installed?
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11:36<valdyn>bkw: in that case you can just try a kernel...
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11:37<valdyn>bkw: painless, easy
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11:37<bkw>is it still .23 kernel I should try?
11:39<bkw>2.6.22 seem to be what backports offer
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11:39<azeem>2.6.22 is considered more stable than .23 AFAIK
11:39<valdyn>bkw: try it
11:40<bkw>valdyn: any need for module load that I should care about when booting the .22?
11:40<valdyn>bkw: no
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11:44<krakkajaxx>does anyone know if the 2.6.22 kernel from backports addresses the vmsplice vulnerability from Feb 11?
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11:45<azeem>krakkajaxx: read its changelog
11:45<azeem>and/or compare timestamps
11:45<krakkajaxx>thank you
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11:48<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:52<Pulpie>so quick question
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11:52<Pulpie>if i sudo chown (otheruser) /etc/sudoers that would screw me right?
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11:53<Pulpie>well at least if it was an untrusted user
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11:56<dkr>Pulpie: that's essentially the samea sgiving them root,since they could give themselves permission to sudo a shell
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11:59<Tricore>Is there any way to install the proprietary nvidia drivers the debian way, from a pure lenny install?
12:00<cahoot>Tricore: IIRC I used m-a
12:00<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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12:00<Tricore>cahoot: Are you running Lenny?
12:01<cahoot>oh - sorry that was on a sid system
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12:01<Tricore>Yeah... That's the problem, the Lenny repo's are missing some nvidia packages
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12:02<cahoot>Tricore: I was confused - disregard
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12:02<Tricore>Okay, np ;)
12:03<abrotman>Tricore: i think the current method is to use the stuff from etch
12:03<Tricore>How would I do that?
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12:14<Tricore>padski: Sorry if this is a stupid question, but am i to understand that nvidia-graphics-drivers have not entered testing because they depend on a version of xorg-server that contains RC bugs?
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12:14<padski>Tricore, well, that is not in testing yet
12:15<padski>Tricore, whether you could just rebuild against the version in lenny ...
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12:18<fxiny>is down ?
12:18<themill>Tricore: that and it was too buggy so it was removed from testing in the first place
12:18<Tricore>themill: The nvidia package or xorg-server?
12:19<themill>Tricore: nvidia
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12:19<themill>fxiny: seems so. Others have been asking about it too.
12:19<fxiny>themill: ok . tx
12:20<Tricore>themill: Ah, okay
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12:21<Tricore>So could I just get drivers from the etch repo's and install them on Lenny?
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12:29<Kifeo>hi all ;)
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12:29<Kifeo>may I have some help ?
12:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:31<Kifeo>I've burned an lenny netinst, and cheked md5 before burning. but I always have problems while installing it, even before the first reboot ... any idea ?
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12:31<witte>Kifeo: what kind of problems?
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12:32<Kifeo>it depends, but often a write problem, so I do the operation again, but fail again. one time it succeeded, but grub would'nt boot
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12:34<witte>Kifeo: sorry, but I need more info than that, what errors do you get in the console?
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12:35<witte>Kifeo: did you check
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12:35<Kifeo>i go now to, thanks for the help :)
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12:36<Kifeo>ok the error is listed
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12:39<brif8>Running X11 tunneled via SSH, I notice that there is a delay/lag in stopping an application before the next application starts? They start fine, and run fine. Just seem to loop/delay when you request it to close, any reasons ?
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12:41<jailor>what is the technical expression for syntaxes like r'string'[:3] etc. in python? because i tried "string methods", "string manipulation", "string substitution" and i found nothing.
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12:41<koollman>jailor: the 'r' part is raw string, and I would call the other part 'string operation' (or use the keyword 'operator')
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12:42<ivan>всем привет
12:42<jailor>koollman: i am talking about the [:3] part
12:42<ivan>есть тут кто?
12:42<jailor>ivan: what do you mean?
12:42<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:43<themill>jailor: and [:3] is a substring operator -- that gives you the first 3 chars of the string.
12:43<ivan>i`m russian
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12:45<ivan>значит по русски шпрехаете
12:45<digger>как у вас там в россии дела?
12:45-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
12:45<digger>я в украине)
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12:46<jailor>themill: thank you! "string operator" is what i needed to know
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12:47<jailor>ivan: when will russian get modernized to using the latin alphabet? or are there any such plans?
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12:53<Kda>Hi all! I'm a newbie, looking for some help.
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12:54<dpkg>The #debian FAQ is at
12:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:55<Kda>Does Debian support ICH9R RAID by default? For example, if I configure RAID 1 or RAID 5 on motherboard, and then start installing Debian, will I need tambourine?
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12:56<padski>Kda, what vanilla kernel version would you want for that ?
12:56<Kda>If I download 3 DVD ISO and burn them, and them start installing
12:57<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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12:59<Kda>padski, would you mind me chatting there?
12:59<padski>Kda, where is there ?
12:59<Kda>where is what?
12:59<Kda>this channel I mean
13:00<dpkg>[ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
13:01<themill>Kda: for ICH9, you need an installer newer than the ones in etch. /msg dpkg kmuto
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13:03<Kda>Please, give me links to download newer installer and to read about integrating it into distributive
13:04<themill>!tell Kda about kmuto
13:05<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:05<fxiny>right : is alive and kicking
13:05<padski>!tell oem about es
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13:13<pwncore>hello all
13:13<Kda>themill: kmuto is interesting, but it's weight is only 230Mb, so it means I will need to use apt-get often?
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13:14<pwncore>i just upgraded OpenSSL to the version required for links2, and i'm compiling links2 now
13:14<pwncore>i got this error message in links2's configure script:
13:14<pwncore>checking for openssl... checking for OpenSSL... no
13:14<pwncore>configure: error: OpenSSL not found
13:14<pwncore>from links2's configure script i should say
13:14<padski>Kda, will you be mostly off-line ?
13:15<themill>Kda: the installer is the same for netinstall, business card or the dvd images. The only difference is when you download things -- download lots at the beginning or just when you need it.
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13:17<pwncore>Kda unless you plan to be offline when you install debian, you ought to think about using netinst
13:17<pwncore>you really don't need all those packages until after you've installed the system anyway
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13:18<Kda>You're right, I need just samba and squid, it'll be a router/domain for a computer class
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13:19<pwncore>and if you do decide you need more packages, the time to comb through them is after you have a working system
13:19<pwncore>you can really end up with pie on your face by spending hours selecting packages and then screwing up the install
13:20<pwncore>i did that a lot back in the Evil Age before debian-installer
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13:21<pwncore>what class, btw? i do the same thing, i'm a domain controller for an MCSA class
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13:23<Kda>it's a class for students of High School of State Audit of Moscow State University
13:23<pwncore>can anyone help me with my compiling problem
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13:24<pwncore>i just ran links2's configure script and now i can't make it, it tells me : make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
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13:26<bkw_>valdyn: 2.6.22 did also freezy my system when I tried mounting my cdrom
13:27<themill>pwncore: aptitude install links2 ?
13:27<Sweeney-Todd>hi, I am trying to understand. I have refused connection everytime i type
13:27<ghost>Hello all. Does anyone know how to control what interface syslogd sends packets out on? ie I have eth0 and eth0:2
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13:28<bkw_>valdyn: it is quite annoying that a cddevice/ide chipset isn't support in a stable 2.6.x kernel... is this something that has to do with intel? it is their board dp965lt.
13:28<Sweeney-Todd>anyone has any idea what could stop the connection to localhost?
13:29<pwncore>themill: it installs it without graphics support
13:29<pwncore>which is the entire reason i'm installing links2 in the first place
13:29<dkr>ghost: those are the same interface. :)
13:30<themill>pwncore: ahh... You could still use the debian package and change the configure options in the debian package before rebuilding.
13:30<pwncore>how so
13:30<ghost>correct. ok let me rephrase that. I want to send out only on eth0 not the :2
13:30<dkr>ghost: you mean you want to change the source ip address?
13:31<pwncore>i mean, how do i change these configure options
13:31<themill>pwncore: basically, it's the same procedure as making a backport, so "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" for a start.
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13:31<ghost>eth0 10.x.x.55, :2 10.x.x.59. my syslog server recieves packets from both the 55 and 59
13:32<valdyn>bkw_: its a marvell chipset
13:32<bkw_>on a intel board..
13:32<ghost>I would like to have it only send out on eth0
13:32<valdyn>bkw_: so?
13:32<valdyn>bkw_: chip is chip, doesnt matter who solders it
13:33<bkw_>valdyn: intel talk about being lunix friendly.. so why not use supported/working hardware.. I don't like that.
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13:34<valdyn>bkw_: it probably is supported
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13:34<valdyn>bkw_: show the driver that actually is used for your marvell chip pata interface
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13:34<valdyn>bkw_: the one that freezes
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13:35<valdyn>bkw_: newer kernels have a completely new driver for this, but its not used by default by debian
13:35<bkw_>valdyn:;a=summary mentions marvell pata, maybe they have fixed it. but running bleeding edge unstable kernel on a production machine is not a good idea.
13:36<ghost>I was hoping to bind syslogd to eth0 but I can't find that it supports this
13:36<valdyn>bkw_: thats the driver im talking about, but its not the driver that you are using
13:36<valdyn>bkw_: you dont know if that driver works, nor if there was need to fix anything
13:36<bkw_>valdyn: so compiling vanilla 2.6.24 with correct support may solve my problem?
13:36<valdyn>bkw_: or 23
13:37<valdyn>bkw_: i cant know that, you can try probably. But maybe kmuto already had installers using those drivers
13:37<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
13:37<pwncore>ok, wtf, now it's installing links-0.99
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13:38<bkw_>valdyn: what support are critical to include in 2.6.24 to have both the sata discs and pata marvell working?
13:38<valdyn>bkw_: read the FAQ for etch on kmutos site
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13:39<valdyn>bkw_: you need to disable the old ide support and enable the experimental libata marvell driver
13:39<pwncore>themill: ....ok, so it downloads the tgz, dsc and diff
13:39<pwncore>that's what i already did
13:40<pwncore>now i want to compile it
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13:40<bkw_>valdyn: Its a ich8 on my board.. it might still work to do what he mentions
13:40<valdyn>bkw_: right
13:40<themill>pwncore: ok, so you can go and change how configure is called in debian/rules and then use dpkg-buildpackage to build the package.
13:41<pwncore>ah, brilliant
13:41<valdyn>bkw_: grep -i pata_marvell /boot/config-2.6*
13:41<valdyn>bkw_: ^^^ to see what your current kernel has..
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13:42<pwncore>ok, weird, it already has --enable-graphics
13:42<pwncore>but when i installed the binary, it said it hadn't been built with graphical support
13:42<ghost>if it matters running etch on all the clients and and the server. syslog 1.4.1-18
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13:44<bkw_>valdyn: kmuto's 2.6.24 is already there, would "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1" in menu.lst do what his FAQ describes?
13:44<valdyn>bkw_: thats not how this is done
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13:44<valdyn>bkw_: theres a kopt line, read the text
13:44<valdyn>bkw_: but just for now, for testing this its ok
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13:46<bkw_>kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1 and remove "root=/dev/sda1 ro" from the kernel line. Is that the proper config?
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13:47<valdyn>bkw_: the kernel lines are generated when you run update-grub
13:47<valdyn>bkw_: the kopt line provides the template for generating the kernel line
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13:48<mihau>how to reload system tray? ;f
13:49<mihau>i had eeror and clicked do not realod
13:49<mihau>and after reboot
13:49<mihau>it dissapeard
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13:49<valdyn>mihau: rightclick on panel, select "add to panel"
13:49<bremner>hey gang, my dovecot self-signed ssl certificate is expired. What is the laziest way to update/renew the cert
13:49<mihau>valdyn: and?
13:49<valdyn>mihau: do it.
13:49<mihau>i did
13:49<bkw_>valdyn: #update-grub kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro acpi=off generic.all_generic_ide=1 ?
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13:50<valdyn>mihau: now what could you possibly have to do?
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13:50<mihau>i think you missunderstood me :P
13:51<valdyn>mihau: i dont think so, but try again
13:51<mihau>what you've written works, but there's still no 'system'tray'
13:51<valdyn>mihau: its there, you just got nothign in it?
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13:52<mihau>well, ive got hour
13:52<mihau>the time *
13:52<valdyn>mihau: run rhythmbox or skype or whatever puts stuff in it
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13:53<pwncore>themill all that crap did is build links-0.99 packages
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13:54<mihau>had gnome error ;/
13:54<valdyn>bkw_: did you actually search for the "kopt" in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
13:54<bkw_>valdyn: yes.
13:55<valdyn>bkw_: thats where you add whatever
13:55<ali28>hi everyone, anyone knows if icecast2-kh is in a debian branch?
13:55<valdyn>bkw_: and then you run "update-grub", not more
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13:55<ali28>thanks pwncore
13:55<ali28>second question
13:56<ali28>dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - icecast2-kh and icecast2
13:56<Guest443>Good day all... I am a newbie at IRC, so please excuse me if i upset anyone.....i have a question about networking, i am on Debian, etch... i have eth1 up and running fine with public IP, i want to have eth0 as private IP(192.168.1.x) however when i edit tech /etc/network/interfaces file , and then restart networking i cannot pin gthe other server that also has eth0 on a private IP... i just...
13:56<Guest443>...get host unreachable... i was told to simple put in the interfaces file only the ip address and netmask, no default gateway since i am only going on the same c class... how should i trouble shoot this? thanks...
13:56<ali28>how can i solve this
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13:56<pwncore>themill: ok, i wiped out all that 0.99 stuff and did dpkg-buildpackage again, and it just gave me the source package again
13:56<pwncore>what would i want with that, i've already downloaded it twice
13:56<pwncore>ali28: do you already have icecast2 installed?
13:57<valdyn>Guest443: paste the /etc/network/interfaces, the output of the "route" command, the IP of the other computer that you are trying to ping on a paste site
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13:58<ali28>I'm trying to use cdbs in the sources
13:58<RobInMontreal>ok will do , stand by, thanks valdyn
13:58<pwncore>ali28 now i'm no expert on source packages, given that i have one giving me a lot of trouble as we speak
13:58<terr1>I'm trying to get hibernate-ram (s2ram) working, if I execute the hibernate-ram from text console it works fine, however if I execute hibernate-ram from X, it resumes fine but my text consoles are all black? (Using Nvidia prop. driver) Cant seem to find info on google
13:59<pwncore>but can you tell me what exactly it was you were trying to do that gave you that error message?
13:59<pwncore>i'll try to figure it out with you until someone with more knowledge about it wakes up
13:59<ali28>yes pwncore dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us
13:59<valdyn>terr1: are you actually using the tool "hibernate" for this?
13:59<ali28>the thing i've done was copyng over the debian dir from icecast2
14:00<ali28>and adapt the copyright note to the actual date
14:00<terr1>valdyn, I belive so, I'm using "hibernate-ram"
14:00<ali28>so not to five error
14:00<mihau>valdyn: -> now its gone
14:00<ali28>when i solved the copyright(pointing to a different upstream)
14:00<ali28>it came out this
14:00<pwncore>i see
14:01<bkw_>valdyn: the booted kernel still shows "03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6101 (rev b1)" on lspci | grep IDE. I'm not physically near the host... do you think a mount will freeze the system again?
14:01<pwncore>maybe you should try the whole thing without tweaking those files
14:01<ali28>just right before the error
14:01<ali28> dpkg-source -b icecast2-kh
14:01<ali28>dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - icecast2-kh and icecast2
14:01<pwncore>i dunno, i'm pretty much as lost as you are at this point, to be perfectly honest
14:01<mihau>valdyn: ok, problem solved, ive found it
14:01<ali28>:) np
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14:02<RobInMontreal>ok valdyn, here is the info
14:02<valdyn>terr1: see /etc/hibernate/hibernate/ram.conf, it will probably include files, check the one that gets used or all and enable switching to text console on suspend
14:02<RobInMontreal>auto lo eth0 eth1 eth1:0
14:02<RobInMontreal>iface lo inet loopback
14:02<RobInMontreal>iface eth0 inet static
14:02<RobInMontreal> address
14:02<RobInMontreal> netmask
14:02<RobInMontreal>### gateway
14:02<RobInMontreal>### Leave the above without a gateway, as we do not need one for this NIC its local only ###
14:02<RobInMontreal># The primary network interface
14:02<RobInMontreal>iface eth1 inet static
14:02<RobInMontreal> address
14:02<RobInMontreal> netmask
14:02<RobInMontreal> network
14:02<RobInMontreal> broadcast
14:02<RobInMontreal> gateway
14:02<RobInMontreal>iface eth1:0 inet static
14:02<RobInMontreal> address
14:02<RobInMontreal> netmask
14:02<valdyn>terr1: hibernate -f file.conf will use a specific config file.., ithink hibernate-ram just tries all in order
14:02<RobInMontreal> network
14:02<RobInMontreal> broadcast
14:02<RobInMontreal> gateway
14:02<RobInMontreal>route command on server 1( i am trying to ping the server 2 from this server)
14:03<RobInMontreal>Kernel IP routing table
14:03<RobInMontreal>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
14:03<RobInMontreal> * U 0 0 0 eth1
14:03<RobInMontreal> * U 0 0 0 eth0
14:03<terr1>valdyn, ok thx i will try!
14:03<RobInMontreal>default if-1-101.mcore3 UG 0 0 0 eth1
14:03<RobInMontreal>default if-1-101.mcore3 UG 0 0 0 eth1
14:03<RobInMontreal>route on server 2
14:03<RobInMontreal>Kernel IP routing table
14:03<RobInMontreal>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
14:03<RobInMontreal> * U 0 0 0 eth1
14:03<RobInMontreal> * U 0 0 0 eth0
14:03<RobInMontreal>default if-1-101.mcore3 UG 0 0 0 eth1
14:03<RobInMontreal>please note i put xxx to be safe... :)
14:03<valdyn>RobInMontreal: fuck you
14:03<pwncore>take it easy floodman
14:03<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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14:03<pwncore>holy shit man, when someone says stop, freakin' stop
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14:03<ali28>pwncore, i will give up cdbs and do it the normal debian/rules way
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14:04<pwncore>you think we want seven screenfuls of routing table in our irc windows?
14:04<pwncore>ali28 good luck either way
14:04<RobInMontreal>sorry guys, i am new at irc... i pasted once, and did nothing after..
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14:04<azeem>pwncore: obviously, RobInMontreal didn't paste one line after the other
14:04<valdyn>RobInMontreal: use a paste site
14:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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14:05<valdyn>he got a nasty irc client that pastes like this..
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14:06<RobInMontreal>i am using chatzilla via Firefox
14:07<RobInMontreal>sorry i will go to that paste site
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14:08<RobInMontreal>ok, so i hope i did this right.....
14:08<azeem>you did
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14:08<RobInMontreal>Thanks... :)
14:09<pwncore>thanks for working with us
14:09<pwncore>and get a better irc client ;)
14:09<RobInMontreal>Sorry, what should i use?
14:09<valdyn>RobInMontreal: your thing is ok as long as you dont paste
14:09<RobInMontreal>Ah, ok, then....
14:09<pwncore>yeah you don't really have to switch irc clients
14:10<pwncore>there's nothing wrong with chatzilla if you don't really need a lot of features
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14:12<valdyn>RobInMontreal: i cant see the ip of the other box
14:12<RobInMontreal>oh sorry, its
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14:13<RobInMontreal>only 2 servers, one is and the other is
14:13<skance>what is the windows equivalent of /dev/shm?
14:13<valdyn>RobInMontreal: how do you know that the cabling is right on both boxes?
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14:13<valdyn>skance: wrong channel
14:14<skance>valdyn: which channel would you recommend?
14:14<valdyn>skance: a windows programming channel
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14:14<skance>valdyn: what name?
14:14<RobInMontreal>well, the eth1 works fine on both servers, i can get to and from anywhere on eth1, i just brought up eth0 on both servers, and connect those nics to a switch...
14:14<valdyn>skance: no idea
14:14<skance>valdyn: i am not sure there is one
14:14<bkw_>valdyn: any ideas?
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14:15<RobInMontreal>so i know physically which is what eth
14:15<skance>valdyn: do you know what /dev/shm is?
14:15<valdyn>bkw_: lspci output is irrelevant
14:15<dpkg>it has been said that shm is simple harmonic motion, avoid at all costs, or known as mit-shm (ask me about it ...)
14:16<valdyn>skance: ramdisk providing space for shared memory features of libc6
14:16<hachi>!dpkg hash sum mismatch?
14:16<bkw_>valdyn: are there any way to findout if the boot params made any difference except doing the mount which might freeze the system and make it unreachable?
14:16<terr1>valdyn, outcommenting SwitchToTextMode Yes in common.conf seemed to do the trick.. dunno why but.. thanks
14:16<skance>valdyn: exactly, and i am afraid windows has no equivalent for it :(
14:17<valdyn>skance: thats nonsense, windows has ipc too
14:17<valdyn>skance: its offtopic
14:17<skance>valdyn: not even linux supported that until pretty recently
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14:18<skance>valdyn: so i am not talking about the concept itself, i am talking about this implementation
14:18<valdyn>skance: its an artifact of a specific implementation
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14:18<valdyn>skance: no doubt windows does this differently.
14:18<skance>valdyn: yes, so i am afraid it does it too differently. i am working on an easily portable script.
14:19<valdyn>skance: nothing that accesses anything in /dev/ is portable
14:19<skance>valdyn: well, i meant... a different folder :)
14:19<skance>valdyn: (... in windows)
14:20<valdyn>skance: hell, using /dev/shm directly is not even portable accross linuxes or bsds
14:20<valdyn>skance: dont use that.
14:20<valdyn>bkw_: no
14:20<skance>valdyn: what would you recommend?
14:20<valdyn>skance: go elsewhere,. this is offtopic
14:21<RobInMontreal>valdyn: just in case, when i ping from the .149 server to the .151 i get this... From icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable and when i ping from the 151 to the 149 i just get PING ( 56(84) bytes of data. and it stays there
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14:21<bkw_>valdyn: can it cause any damage to the hw/data on disk if I leave it freezed till tomorrow morning?
14:21<valdyn>RobInMontreal: to me it looks like the error is switch or cabling
14:22<valdyn>bkw_: how would i know?
14:22<RobInMontreal>ok i will re-check the cables and get back to you... thanks for your help and time, i really appreciate it...
14:22<skance>valdyn: well, there are many subsets of the debian computing experience that are terribly offtopic too but we still talk about them on #debian
14:22<bkw_>valdyn: you can't know. but you might know more than I do about if it could make damage
14:23<valdyn>bkw_: if its really frozen then damage is unlikely
14:23<skance>valdyn: #debian is the most populated channel
14:23<skance>valdyn: i have more chances to get an answer
14:23<valdyn>bkw_: but for all *I* know your frozen system could really be looping endlessly overwriting the disk again and again
14:23<valdyn>bkw_: but that'S unlikely
14:24<valdyn>skance: no.
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14:24<valdyn>skance: google "language ipc"
14:24<valdyn>skance: like "python ipc"
14:24<valdyn>skance: or whatever it is you really want to achieve
14:25<bkw_>valdyn: dmesg shows sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 16x/40x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray simply mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom ?
14:25<bkw_>(and cross my toes)
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14:25<valdyn>bkw_: hehe
14:28<skance>valdyn: python, of course :)
14:28<skance>valdyn: thank you
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14:32<bkw_>valdyn: argh! it freezed
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14:45<Sweeney-Todd>anyone could give me hint on why local connection would be allowed?
14:45<Sweeney-Todd>I haven't got any firewall running
14:46<lars>Sweeney-Todd: its you... localhost. better be allowed--
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14:47<themill>Sweeney-Todd: what's the exact error message and what are you trying to do?
14:47<Sweeney-Todd>well, I know that localhost is me and I havent blocked anything
14:47<Sweeney-Todd>the exact error message is "" refused the connection
14:48<Sweeney-Todd>on both server and clien
14:48<azeem>server and client what?
14:48<pumpkin0>Sweeney-Todd: there was no server listening to that request or the server-config blocked local connections. What server is it ?
14:48<Sweeney-Todd>same error message on client and server
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14:49<pumpkin0>http, ssh, ftp, pop3, imap, ... what client ?
14:49<Sweeney-Todd>I have a server that runs SQUID, DHCP, APACHE
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14:50<pumpkin0>and the client-program you used to connect was ?
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14:52<azeem>how is http a program
14:52<azeem>how is a program?
14:52<pumpkin0>Sweeney-Todd: you opened somethign and typed WHAT did you open ?
14:53<themill>Sweeney-Todd: what is the output of running: netstat -pant | grep :80
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14:54<Sweeney-Todd>punpkin0: I am just using Epiphany that is all
14:54<Sweeney-Todd>the output is big themill
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14:54<azeem>Sweeney-Todd: eh, did you include the grep?
14:54<pumpkin0>Sweeney-Todd: it should be 1 line if you type the whole command..
14:55<Sweeney-Todd>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 10803 /tmp/.X11-unix/X0
14:55<azeem>Sweeney-Todd: maybe you forgot the :?
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14:57<pwncore>he forgot the frenchman stroking his moustache?
14:57<lontra>if i have a .diff.gz, a .dsc. and an .orig.tar.gz how can i extract the source to use dpkg-buildpackage to build a package?
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14:57<azeem>lontra: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
14:57<Sweeney-Todd>azeem, I havent got any result showing
14:58<lontra>azeem: thanks
14:58<azeem>Sweeney-Todd: ok
14:58<pumpkin0>Sweeney-Todd: Did you reconfigure apache a lot ?
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14:58<lontra>azeem: and is there an easy to make dpkg grab all the associated build-dep of that source? it's for a package that isn't in debian yet but on
14:58<Sweeney-Todd>pwncore: If you have anything to say spit out clearly
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14:59<azeem>lontra: don't think so
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14:59<azeem>Sweeney-Todd: huh, you're the one being quite unclear all the time
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15:00<pwncore>Sweeney-Todd: wow, what's your problem? i was cracking a joke about azeem's inadvertent smiley
15:00<Sweeney-Todd>yes that is a fact. That is because i am confused about all this
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15:02<pwncore>if you're confused, then don't act like you're King of #Debian, mmkay?
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15:05<Sweeney-Todd>I am not at all, just upset by this pb that is all
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15:05<azeem>Sweeney-Todd: apparently your apache isn't listening on localhost after all
15:06<pwncore>there's no need for you to be telling me or anyone else how to talk
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15:06<azeem>pwncore: I think we discussed this enough now
15:06<pwncore>fair enough
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15:08<strstrep>Hi, I'm having a problem with apt-get update on a sid system right now. I keep getting the following error:
15:08<strstrep>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
15:08<strstrep>Any ideas?
15:09<pumpkin0>stroyan: "apt-get update" and retry.
15:09<strstrep>pumpkin0: I get that on apt-get update
15:09<pumpkin0>strstrep: switch hosts or retry later.
15:09<azeem>strstrep: try a different mirror
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15:10<pwncore>strstrep use netselect-apt
15:11<strstrep>pwncore: Maybe once I get a stable package system again. ;-)
15:11<pwncore>just download it.
15:11<strstrep>That seems to have fixed the problem, thanks.
15:11<pwncore>i would recommend using netselect-apt anyway so you're sure you're on the best mirror
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15:13<nightfever>hey people how can i install ntfs-3g in etch??
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15:13<nightfever>automatix is not working for me
15:14<azeem>nightfever: why would you use automatix?
15:15<nightfever>i've tried to use a .deb package from debian packages but i have conflicts with a package
15:15<craigevil>automatix is a evil pos
15:15<craigevil>apt-get update && apt-get install ntfs-3g : umount /media/xdxx ; mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxyyzz[etc] /media/xdxx ; see also:
15:15<craigevil>simple enough
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15:15<nightfever>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:15<nightfever> ntfs-3g: PreDepends: fuse-utils but it is not going to be installed
15:16<craigevil>try using
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15:16<nightfever>i have the backports repo
15:17<nightfever>in sources.list
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15:18<craigevil>nightfever: see the package page at, backport instructions at,
15:18<azeem>nightfever: what's the error when you apt-get install fuse-utils?
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15:19<nightfever>hm it says it's not installed...but i've seen it in synaptic
15:19<nightfever>now i have installed fuse-utils
15:19<nightfever>i receive another error
15:20<nightfever>when installing ntfs-3g
15:20<nightfever>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:20<nightfever> ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed
15:20<azeem>nightfever: what does apt-cache policy ntfs-3g say?
15:21<nightfever> Installed: (none)
15:21<nightfever> Candidate: 1:1.516-1~bpo.1
15:21<nightfever> Version table:
15:21<nightfever> 1:1.516-1~bpo.1 0
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15:21<nightfever>sorry for that
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15:23<nightfever>what should i do?
15:23<azeem>install libfuse2 from backports
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15:25<nightfever>and remove fuse-utils?
15:25<azeem>well, also install fuse-utils from backports
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15:29<nightfever>there was a program called fwfstab
15:29<nightfever>which writes mounts to fstab
15:31<nightfever>can i find a deb package anywhere?
15:31<nightfever>i only saw rpm
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15:34<rjent>Greetings, I am looking for the best way to do offline installs. What I am considering is perhaps a boot cd and an external drive with a deb mirror. Is this the best way?
15:35<azeem>nightfever: are you using Gnome or KDE?
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15:35<azeem>nightfever: ok, so it should mount volumes automatically
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15:36<azeem>if it doesn't for ntfs, you can just add those manually to fstab I guess
15:37<nightfever>another thing...after mounting, how to change permissions to a ntfs partiton?
15:37<nightfever>i can't access it
15:37<Torsten_W>nightfever: use umask=0
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15:44<nightfever>so in /etc/fstab shoult look like this: /dev/hda5 /media/work1 ntfs umask=0 ?
15:45<Torsten_W>nightfever: man ntfs-3g
15:45<Torsten_W>man fstab
15:45<dli__>nightfever, no, you shouldn't put /media in fstab
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15:45<cjac>what's the command-line interface to changing alternatives?
15:46<bma>update-alternatives, even.
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15:51<nightfever>ok and for writing permissions the options was rw ?
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15:53<zepard>why the applets in the right side of upper pane are not always in the same order ?
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15:53<zepard>I am talking about gnome
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15:53<zepard>gnome 20
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15:55<nightfever>ok done...mounted with write permissions
15:55<nightfever>thanks for helping!
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15:58<Cyorxamp> Lo, if I wanted to renumber a user from UID 1008 to 1010, whats the best way of going about it? I know I can edit the passwd file... but files would need rechowning I think... anything else?
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15:59<smg2k7>does anybody know how to connect an usb bluetooth dongle to a debian machine?
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15:59<smg2k7>iut doesn't recognise it as a bluetooth device
15:59<witte>Cyorxamp: this could give you a lot of trouble, do you really need to do this :-)
16:00<Cyorxamp>no :D
16:00<Cyorxamp>but I'm asking anyway
16:00<witte>smg2k7: i think you need bluez-utils
16:00<smg2k7>i installed it
16:00<smg2k7>but with no results
16:00<witte>Cyorxamp: well, chown'ing is something you certainly must do
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16:00<smg2k7>when I plug the usb device, it says: Feb 18 21:48:38 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
16:00<smg2k7>Feb 18 21:48:38 localhost kernel: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
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16:00<alaya>i have not used amd64 port yet and have not followed the news recently, but are there any potential issues when going from x86 to amd64 port, or any potential show stoppers? or is the port essentially mature and stable?
16:00<smg2k7>instead something like: compiler kernel: Bluetooth: HCI USB driver ver 2.7
16:01<Cyorxamp>witte: I'll need a way of locating and rechowning all 1008 files to 1009 system wide however
16:01<witte>Cyorxamp: I am not sure what else needs to be done
16:01<smg2k7>when I do hcitool scan, it says: Device is not available: Address family not supported by protocol+
16:02<smg2k7>anybody knows why? i tried the same usb dongle on ubuntu, and it works inmediatly
16:02<witte>Cyorxamp: well, best to write a small script for that i guess, but it depends on how much that user has done already, i think everything should be normal after the chown...
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16:03<Cyorxamp>witte: is there anyway I can use locate or grep or find or something else to search for those files?
16:03<witte>alaya: amd64 is full grown for servers, but you could experience some issues concerning flash, codecs, etc, which mostly can be solved in a chroot
16:04<alaya>witte: ah, so there's still some of those issues around. i remember hearing about those but was hoping they had been resolved by now
16:04<alaya>witte: i guess i am seriously questioning whether it is even worth it, or just keeping x86 debian on the box
16:04<ali28>alaya, i have skype static working on 64 bit without chroot
16:04<blubberdiblub>Cyorxamp: you can use find with -uid -gid -user and -group options
16:04<ali28>and i use gnash as mozilla plugin
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16:05<ali28>i can't see
16:05<ali28>but at least i can play some flash games :>
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16:05<witte>Cyorxamp: you could also use "ls -al" on the output of "locate *" and grep that, but that would be quite heavy i guess :-)
16:05<ali28>for the rest i'm fully satisfied by my etch desktop
16:06<qupada>i'm having some issues with tomcat. installed tomcat5.5 and java1.5 from debian packages, it's refusing to look in the common/classes directory in /usr/share/tomcat5.5
16:06<alaya>ali28: so other than lack of decent flash, no other real issues? i guess that's not bad
16:06<witte>alaya: well, some of these issues are solved in testing (eg flash), and some also don't work on windows (eg java wont produre a java-plugin for 64 bit)
16:07<ali28>but i'm speaking about amd64
16:07<ali28>i don't know about ia64
16:07<ali28>today i had a looot of trouble installing xen on etch ia64
16:07<alaya>ali28: amd64 is what runs on core2, no??
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16:07<qupada>apache's tomcat redistributable worked just fine, so i'm guessing there's something funky going on with the classpath, can anyone enlighten me before i start beating my monitor with a sledgehammer
16:08<ilovemyself>Hi, Debian couldn't find my inet card. What do I have to do?
16:08<witte>ilovemyself: lspci, and show us the result for the network card :-)
16:08<ali28>and then i resetted the bios and it went, vodoo admin :")
16:08<witte>ilovemyself: don't paste the full output here, paste it in a pastebin
16:09<witte>!tell ilovemyself about paste
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16:10<ilovemyself>I mean that happens when I try to install Debian 4.0 :)
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16:10<ilovemyself>I used it before but on other PC.
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16:11<ilovemyself>If that helps - my network card is identified as: Intel(R) 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network
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16:14<alaya>witte, ali28 thank you
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16:15<pwncore>anyone have any thoughts
16:16<witte>ilovemyself: I would try to install using a newer kernel
16:16<witte>!tell ilovemyself about etch 2.6.23
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16:16<pointone>Good afternoon!
16:16<alaya>pwncore: i like the sequence of 84d2 - nice, even progression of numbers that imparts a feeling of solidity
16:16<witte>ilovemyself: the etch kernel is quite old and if you have new hardware, it is just not supported
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16:17<pointone>I've been messing around with my dircolors lately, and was wondering if it were possible to color hidden files differently.
16:17<pwncore>seriously, alaya, what do i do
16:17<ubd>i have my ethernet installed and working but is it wlan0 or eth0 etc how can i learn
16:17<pointone>Ideally, I'd like to just change the background; so hidden executables and directories still have the same foreground color as normal executables and directories, yet with a grey background (for example)
16:17<ali28>pwncore, you miss the framebuffer
16:17<pwncore>ubd: type ifconfig
16:18<pointone>Is this at all possible with dircolors/any other hack?
16:18<pwncore>ali28: how do i unmiss that?
16:18<ubd>ifconfig: command not found
16:18<pwncore>as root
16:18<ali28>pwncore, you have framebuffer?
16:18<alaya>pwncore: does user have permissions for video?
16:18<ubd>well thanks
16:18<pwncore>alaya: i'm not sure
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16:18<pwncore>ali28: and to be honest i'm not completely certain of what that entails
16:18<alaya>pwncore: also, you're not use framebuffer driver are you?
16:19<pwncore>not sure of that either
16:19<ali28>pwncore, log as root and try what are you trying
16:19<alaya>pwncore: when you config X, do not select option to use framebuffer
16:19<alaya>!tell pwncore about drxx
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16:19<ali28>pwncore, what video card are you running?
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16:19<pwncore>X? I thought framebuffer was a console graphics mode
16:19<ilovemyself>I haven't heard about that. Thanks, witte.
16:19<pwncore>i'm on a radeon
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16:20<pwncore>7500 i think
16:20<alaya>pwncore: there is also an X framebuffer driver, which should not use
16:20<ali28>pwncore, by root lsmod | grep radeonfb
16:20<ali28>pwncore, by root lsmod | grep radeon
16:20<alaya>pwncore: you are not running X?
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16:21<alaya>pwncore: any reason?
16:21<ubd>how can i have better looking fonts?
16:21<pwncore>don't like it
16:21<pwncore>i mean, i have it
16:21<pwncore>i use it from time to time
16:21<kop>What is tmpfs mounted on /lib/init/rw? df -h says it's full and I just got an error message that said something like "may be due to running out of tempoarary space". ?
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16:22<ali28>kop, ls -lah /tmp
16:22<pwncore>radeon 100672 0
16:22<pwncore>drm 62260 1 radeon
16:22<alaya>pwncore: well for non-X there are vesa and non-vesa FB available, probably one specifically for radeon
16:22<ali28>pwncore, modprobe -l | grep radeonfb
16:22<kop>ali28 : /tmp is on / and df says I've 2.6G free.
16:22<ali28>and if is there modprobe it
16:23<ali28>kop no clue sorry, try to force-unmount and remount
16:23<ali28>i hope is your desktop
16:23<ali28>don't do this on productive machines
16:23<pwncore> /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko
16:24<ali28>pwncore, don't load it
16:24<pwncore>FATAL: Module radeonfb.ko not found.
16:24<pwncore> /usr/games# modprobe radeonfb.ko
16:24<pwncore>FATAL: Module radeonfb.ko not found.
16:24<ali28>add it to modules
16:24<ali28>is missing
16:24<pwncore>i do what now
16:24<ali28>reinstall the kernel or run depmod -a
16:24<ali28>and make really sure is not there
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16:24<ali28>if you are really sure is not there, reinstall the kernel
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16:25<pwncore>can't i just use modconf or something
16:25<pwncore>or patch the module in
16:25<pwncore>depmod -a gave me nothing
16:25<ali28>yes if you have it
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16:26<ali28>pwncore, depmod -a recreate the modules cache
16:26<pwncore>well modprobe -l found it
16:26<ali28>because was in the depmod cache
16:26<pwncore>oh duh, modprobe radeonfb, not modprobe radeonfb.ko
16:26<ali28>try now to see if is there
16:26<pwncore>and now i have a super huge console
16:26<pwncore>i loaded it
16:26<ali28>i told you
16:26<pwncore>no it's ok
16:26<ali28>don't load it
16:26<pwncore>why not?
16:27<ali28>add it to /etc/modules
16:27<pwncore>can i do both
16:27<ali28>the you should put on your kernel command line
16:27<ali28>maybe someone else here know better
16:27<ali28>but is well documented in the kernel sources
16:28<ali28>in fbmodes.txt
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16:29<ali28>fb/modedb.txt sorry
16:29<ali28> <name>[-<bpp>][@<refresh>]
16:29<ali28>2 ways
16:29<pwncore>so video=radeonfb:1024x768@60-32 is ok?
16:29<pwncore>sweet, thanks man
16:29<ali28>give it a shot
16:30<ali28>i'll be here for insults in case it does not work
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16:32<pwncore>+ Starting the SDL library: [ERROR]
16:32<pwncore>error: Unable to open mouse
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16:33<eldowan>I'm wondering if you might be able to help me get my time back in order. Whenever the machine boots, the time is -6:00 local time. I am -6:00 from utc, so I think my bios clock is set to local time, and the system is taking -6:00 from that. However, I cannot set the clock in bios, and hwclock doesn't work. Any advice?
16:33<pwncore>what do i do to get SDL to reckanize my mouse
16:34<eldowan>Whenever I set the time by the date command, it is correct until the next reboot.
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16:34<ali28>pwncore, do you have gpm installed?
16:34<pwncore>how do you think i can do this: <ali28> pwncore, do you have gpm installed?
16:34<pwncore><pwncore> yes
16:35<ali28>eldowan, tzconfig?
16:35<pwncore>only in etch
16:35<pwncore>there's something else you're supposed to do in lenny
16:35<eldowan>ali28: tzconfig is set correct, america/chicago
16:35<eldowan>I'm in CST
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16:36<ali28>but your date is wrong?
16:37<eldowan>ali28: sort of. This machine was (used to be) windows, and I think the bios is set to local time. There is no option to change the time in bios though
16:37<eldowan>date -u shows the correct time as UTC time
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16:38<ServerSide>debian:/home/leo# root-tail -g 800x250+100+50 /var/log/messages < why that fuck don't wanna work?
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16:41<pwncore>anyone have any idea why sdl wouldn't pick up my mose
16:44<ServerSide>wrong code?
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16:54<schichtleita>good evening
16:55<schichtleita>for starters: i am an idiot and i know it. no clues into this direction required
16:55<schichtleita>i just accidentally deleted /boot
16:56<schichtleita>the system is still running, what can i do?
16:56<weasel>reinstall the kernel image
16:56<weasel>rerun grub-install.
16:56<weasel>be more careful in the future.
16:57<pwncore>also, install a shock collar on your person
16:57<pwncore>have it triggered by the rm command
16:57<wnd>"sudo apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -S /boot | sed 's/, / /g')" or something
16:58<wnd>oh, base-files only has /boot as a directory
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17:01<Woet>someone has a small tutorial about .sh scripts?
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17:02<schichtleita>reinstalled kernel image, thats what boot now looks like, is it correct?
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17:03<gl>hi. if I fetch linux-kernel, unzip it, use /boot/config-... as .config and make it, does this produce the same kernel as in the kernel image provided by debian?
17:03<ali28>schichtleita, remember to do update-grub by root
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17:03<schichtleita>ali: done, thanks
17:04<ali28>schichtleita, try also to reinstall grub
17:04<ali28>ah ok
17:04<ali28>download the kernel
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17:04<ali28>unpackit in /usr/src
17:04<wnd>I think you'll also have to use debian-packaged kernel sources as they often contain patches
17:04<ali28>for simplicity
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17:04<gl>yes, i d/l the linux-source package
17:04<ali28>move it to something like linux-source-2.x.x
17:05<Woet>someone has a small tutorial about .sh scripts?
17:05<ali28>repack it
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17:05<ali28>and then use make-kpkg inside the kernel as usual
17:05<ali28>it will work
17:05<ali28>i'm running my own debian package of the 2.6.24-cfs
17:05<wnd>ali28, don't forget sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-foo :-)
17:05<ali28>wnd, yes! how could i forget :D
17:06<wnd>I have long given up compiling my own kernel...
17:06<nightfever>damn that's frustrating...i can't install a newer version of deluge because i can't find libboost-date-time1.34.1 for etch
17:06<gl>actually I don't want to use a self-compiled kernel, but other software relies on compiled kernel sources
17:06<wnd>Woet, perhaps google could help you with that
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17:06<wnd>gl, did you check that it's not happy with just the headers?
17:06<ali28>nightfever, DIY power
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17:07<ali28>pack it yourself
17:07<gl>wnd: no. you mean installing the kernel-header package?
17:07<nightfever>yeah i'll try
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17:08<wnd>gl, yes, linux-headers-foo
17:08<ali28>gl you can pack your own custom kernel with make-kpkg and also the kernel-headers
17:08<wnd>I know there are a few modules that really need complete sources but I think most are happy with just the headers
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17:10<ali28>i roll my kernel for not having problems with those kind of modules
17:10<wnd>gl, if it's something common, also see if it can be compiled semi-automagically with module-assistant
17:10<nightfever>gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory
17:10<nightfever>error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
17:10<ali28>and also to get SElinux out of the way
17:10<ali28>nightfever, you are missing a pack
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17:11<alaya>so i'm just curious, is amd64 significantly better performance than x86 on hardware that supports it?
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17:11<ali28>alaya, well depends
17:11<dondelelcaro>alaya: I don't know if it's significantly better, but it's not worse, which is saying something about how bad i386's architecture is.
17:11<gl>wnd: you were right. It indeed accepted the headers!
17:11<ali28>i do encoding and i find myself muchmuch betterm but i have a raid and 3 gigs of ram
17:12<wnd>alaya, generally speaking I'd say "not significantly"
17:12<gl>thx wnd + ali28!
17:12<dondelelcaro>(normally you would expect 64bit applications to be significantly slower than 32 bit counterparts unless they actually needed to addresse more than 64 bits of stuff
17:12<alaya>probably the most resource-intensive thing i want to do is run serveral KVM virtual machines in a small virtual cluster
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17:12<ali28>i can load with audacity 6 hours wav performance in 4 minutes
17:13<ali28>alaya, !!! kvm rocks but you have to stay up to date with the svn
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17:13<Woet>someone has a small tutorial about .sh scripts?
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17:14<weasel>you are looking for shell programming
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17:15<eldowan>Woet: have you looked at the bash howto?
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17:17<alaya>Woet: look for the advanced bash scripting guide via google
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17:17<alaya>Woet: or just install it: abs-guide
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17:17<ali28>yes that's better
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17:20<ali28>can anyone suggest me a package that uses cdbs and debconf for prompting the user for configuration, to look as example|reference?
17:21<abrotman>doesn't the Maintainer guide discuss this?
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17:21<ali28>the new maintainer guide?
17:22<azeem>ali28: CDBS and debconf have nothing todo
17:22<azeem>with each other, AFAICT
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17:24<ali28>azeem, yes you are rright i should do one thing per time
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17:26<schloff>hey guys whats the base etch repo?
17:27<schloff>i installed without being on an internet connection so it didn't add them to my sources.list
17:27<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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17:29<Hiryu>if I install the linux-source-x.y.z package, extract this source, and simply make-kpkg kernel_image, this will build a kernel with the debian patches?
17:30<ali28>first you need to create (or copy from boot) the config file
17:30<Hiryu>yes, I know
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17:30<Hiryu>I just ran a diff between the the source and the debian 2.4.24 source and there seems to be almost no difference
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17:31<Hiryu>wait, maybe I need to do a recursive diff
17:32<Hiryu>yeh, it must be patched... diff is still running
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17:34<ali28>i believe a chsum could also tell you
17:34<ali28>sorry chksum
17:34<Hiryu>hmm maybe
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17:35<Hiryu>but this tells give me an ide of just how different it is
17:35<Hiryu>diff -ruN linux- linux-source-2.6.24 | wc -l
17:35<Hiryu>yeh, that's pretty different
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17:38<witte>Hiryu: the debian source package has the debian packages, but you need the /boot/config... copied to /usr/src/linux/.config to get the same binary
17:39<witte>Hiryu: what i tried to say is that it has teh debian patched kernel :-)
17:39<Hiryu>witte: yes, I know. I'm using my current config to use debian's patches with my custom settings. I figure this is better than using vanilla
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17:40<Hiryu>witte: I was just wondering because I don't get the same naming scheme compiling a kernel this way (uname -r doesn't show 2.8.18-6-amd64 for example)
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17:41<Hiryu>kernel compiles go much faster once I figured out how to set make's -j option for make-kpkg
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17:45<witte>Hiryu: ah, I think you can change that in somekind of file, but i am not such an expert in kernel compiling (did it a few times when my laptop was new, but that's it)
17:45<witte>Hiryu: but i would be interested in learning about the make -j thing :-)
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18:10<javo>hi. i have this problem: i was updating my packages with adept_updater (my debian version is lenny), and when updating my kernel version, the visual embedded terminal that comes with adept_updater simply did not respond to any clic or key pressed. so adept_updater crashed and now i cant update my system again.
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18:11<javo>is there a way to kill the process that is using the 'apt' daemon or something ?
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18:13<Cyorxamp>Is there any way of having a directory and its contents be owned by no-one and not root so everyone has rw access, and any edits or new files inside it adopt the owner of the directory its in?
18:13<Cyorxamp>i.e. a public folder
18:13<donfilipo>a question. i have installed etch. but i want to upgrade to lenny. have added official testing repositories but something is wrong...with that repositorie enabled my synaptic will just not work....any clue....or must i fresh install a lenny?
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18:15<fenix>tdu bem galera
18:15<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:15<fenix>hi whats is yuor nane:
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18:17<themill>Cyorxamp: Look at the user sticky bit in chmod (u+s). Something like chmod 4777 /path/to/dir
18:17<themill>Cyorxamp: You'd want to create a dummy user for that directory and chown the dir to that user though.
18:17<Cyorxamp>sticky being +t ?
18:18<Cyorxamp>i'll made it owned by nobody and nogroup
18:18<themill>Cyorxamp: But you are probably really wanting to think about groups and umask here....
18:18<Cyorxamp>your loosing me
18:18<themill>Cyorxamp: +t is the opposite of what you want. it would be u+s in symbolic terms.
18:18<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: setuid bit
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18:19<Cyorxamp>I've got it now set up exactly like the tmp dir is, only its not owned by root its owned by nobody:nogroup
18:19<Cyorxamp>will that do ? :P
18:20<themill>Cyorxamp: No. User A will not be able to delete user B's files out of that dir even though it is world writable. See the section "Sticky Directories" in man 1 chmod for more info about what +t does.
18:20<themill>Cyorxamp: (at least, I think the answer is that you don't want that based on what you have described....)
18:20<Cyorxamp>I have, it says +t means any files/dirs made/edited it it will assume the parents owner/mods
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18:21<Cyorxamp>basically I just want it as stupid as a FAT filesystem would be... everyone reads and writes - no owners or mods
18:22<themill>Cyorxamp: "When the sticky bit is set on a directory, files in that directory may be unlinked or renamed only by root or their owner." <=== that doesn't sound like what you want.
18:22<Ouroboros>you just want 777
18:22<themill>Probably 4777
18:23<themill>Or 6777 if you want to set the group id too.
18:23<Ouroboros>themill: that only affects execution doesnt it?
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18:24<Ouroboros>oh nevermind, its different for files and dirs
18:24<themill>Ouroboros: yep
18:24<Cyorxamp>when I make something it keep the group like the parents group but the owner is the real owner not the parents
18:25<Cyorxamp>on 6777
18:25<Ouroboros>themill: interesting, wikipedia says setuid is ignored on dirs
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18:26<themill>Ouroboros: hmmm...... long time since I've use it, but that's not my memory of it.
18:27<alaya>just chmod +xrws on the dir, chown it to some group every user is a member of. done.
18:28<schloff>hey guys my storage box randomly drops off the network doesn't seem to be a Layer 1 issue is there any where i can see whats going on CLI to figure out what is going on
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18:28<Ouroboros>yeah, u+s does nothing
18:28<alaya>forget user. only worry about group
18:28<themill>Ouroboros: g+s works though.
18:28<alaya>oops i meant chmod g+rwxs
18:29<themill>alaya: agreed. Just doing it with some sane groups would be sufficient.
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18:29<Ouroboros>why is just setting it to 777 not enough?
18:30<weasel>don't ever set anythign to 777.
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18:30<weasel>(you can break this rule once you have acquired sufficient clue.)
18:31*themill had been waiting for someone to mention that...
18:31<Ouroboros>i mean, do you really need g+s, since if the dir is o+w, then any user can chmod any files to 777
18:32<alaya>Ouroboros: because that's a sucky way of doing it
18:33<themill>Ouroboros: if you wanted to edit a file that wasn't yours and wasn't writable by you, you'd have to delete it and recreate it, under your own username. Ugliness ensues. Much better just to put things into sane groups.
18:33<alaya>Ouroboros: its like having a set of nice utensils but insisting on eating with a broken stick or something
18:33<Ouroboros>themill: no, you could chmod it
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18:33<Ouroboros>but its definitely more convenient with g+s
18:33<Cyorxamp>ok can I make it so all new users auto belong to a new 'public' group and all existing users become members?
18:33<Cyorxamp>or does something like that already exist?
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18:34<alaya>Cyorxamp: that's the way to do it
18:34<Ouroboros>there is a users group
18:34<themill>Ouroboros: no you couldn't. You can't chmod files you don't own unless you are root (even if you own the directory).
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18:35<Ouroboros>yeah, i just tried it, but i did it wrong, nevermind
18:35<alaya>Cyorxamp: see /etc/adduser.conf
18:36<Ouroboros>on a completely unrelated note... any chance i might get a gnome desktop into 512 MB?
18:36<Cyorxamp>for something so simple its certainly caused alot of arguments and i'm totally confused
18:36<Ouroboros>i see the live-cd image is just a little over that (530 MB i think)
18:37<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: nah we are all in agreement i think
18:37<Cyorxamp>on what! :P
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18:38<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: chmod 2777 and add users to the group
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18:38<Cyorxamp>what group?
18:38<alaya>Cyorxamp: did you read anything that was written above? the solution was written
18:38<Ouroboros>probaly the "users" group or some other one
18:38<Cyorxamp>and the owner (uid) will change depending on who edited last... right?
18:39<Ouroboros>the owner will not change
18:39<Cyorxamp>ok so its users:users ?
18:39<Ouroboros>probably root:users
18:39<alaya>better to use a new, custom group
18:41<alaya>in case you want to take away privileges, or add new shares, it would be easier to manage
18:41<Cyorxamp>bugger that :P
18:42<Ouroboros>apparently Ritchie patented the setuid bit, heh
18:43<alaya>um, i would chmod 2770 it
18:44<Ouroboros>yeah, true
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18:44<Cyorxamp>making is unexecutable ?
18:44<Cyorxamp>*it ?
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18:45<themill>It actually sounds like a source control repo would be useful... svn, hg, git ftw
18:45<alaya>Cyorxamp: no
18:45<Ouroboros>what? no cvs?
18:45<themill>!lart Ouroboros
18:45*dpkg whips out a sword and chops Ouroboros in half
18:46<alaya>Cyorxamp: an easier understanding would be: chmod u+rwx g+rwxs o-rwx 2770 is the same command
18:47<Cyorxamp>why 2770 not 2777 ?
18:47<alaya>called octal notation
18:47<Ouroboros>themill: i guess you are not a fan of editing repositories by hand when you want to move directories :P
18:47<GhostlyDeath>Why did noone inform me that r3 was out? :'(
18:47<alaya>Cyorxamp: because the "other" would have rwx perms
18:47<Ouroboros>GhostlyDeath: ah crap..
18:48<alaya>so generally you allocate permissions on an as-needed basis
18:48<themill>GhostlyDeath: subscribe to debian-announce
18:48<GhostlyDeath>Does it not cost $39.99 for a year?
18:49<alaya>Cyorxamp: its a very bad habit to just allocate perms out of laziness instead of properly allocating them according to access need
18:49<Ouroboros>so why is live-helper only in lenny and higher but defaults to making etch images?
18:49<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: because it didn't exist when etch was released.
18:49<alaya>Cyorxamp: and because unix filesystems offer such useful features, kind of silly not to use them
18:49<Cyorxamp>how can I work out what drwxr-sr-x is octal ?
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18:50<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: is there an alternative or do i just have to backport?
18:50<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: there should be a backport available already, actually.
18:50<dkr>Cyorxamp: stat the dir
18:50<alaya>Cyorxamp: User Group Other read=4 write=2 execute=1 so u+rwx =7(00)
18:51<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: yeah, i mean install from backports
18:51<alaya>ug+rwx = 770 and so on
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18:51<Cyorxamp>2755 works well
18:51<dkr>that's 2755 I think
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18:52<alaya>setuid setgid bits are special cases that go in front
18:52<dkr>wasn;t sure about group exec since sgid bit covering it
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18:52<dkr>I guess it's capital S when bit below it not set
18:53<alaya>true s covers group execute
18:54<Cyorxamp>2777 is the only thing that works properly, it'll have to do
18:54<Cyorxamp>absolutely stupid this is for something so simple
18:55<dkr>well, to do things differently from the default you have to know how they work
18:56<alaya>feel free to hack/cludge your way to any solution you find acceptable :P
18:56<dondelelcaro>why are you giving everyone write access to that directory in the first place?
18:56<Cyorxamp>I'm charitable
18:56<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: no, you want 2770 or 2775
18:56<Cyorxamp>im using 2755
18:56<Ouroboros>that is not enough...
18:56<dondelelcaro>if it's 2755, there's no point to it being g+s.
18:57<themill>It's enough if there is only one user... (or two, counting root)
18:57<dondelelcaro>there's always more than two users...
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18:58<Cyorxamp>all files inside tho ahve to be 2770 as well tho!
18:58<Cyorxamp>this is so stupid
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18:58<Ouroboros>around 27 users in a default install
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18:58<alaya>Cyorxamp: would you mind not repeating "this is so stupid" every 2 min? the only one who sounds stupid is yourself
18:58<themill>Ouroboros: yes, but how many of them are creating files in such a directory? We're talking "real" users here, not daemon users.
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18:59<Ouroboros>yep, and if there is only 1 real user, you dont really need permissions at all :)
18:59<dkr>Cyorxamp: chmod -R g+w dir to recursively make all files in a dir group writable
19:00<themill>Cyorxamp: The more you say that, the more we think pebkac. Unix permissions are pretty simple, straight forward, and well designed. Your use case falls within them quite easily.
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19:00<dkr>well, I'm an expert and I still think unix perms are a bit kludgy. :)
19:01<Ouroboros>am i the only one who keeps having to look up themill's acronyms on wikipedia?
19:01<dpkg>rumour has it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or
19:01<dkr>Ouroboros: yes. :)
19:01<Cyorxamp>themill: if it falls in them so _easily_ then why have there been abotu 15 solutions to it so far with people being corrected left right and centre
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19:01<alaya>Ouroboros: that's a well-known one ;-)
19:01<themill>especially around here
19:01<dkr>Cyorxamp: because you have asked several different questions.
19:02<Cyorxamp>no I asked one!
19:02<Cyorxamp>and even the latest solution doesn't work
19:02<dkr>all I've seenyou ask is <Cyorxamp> how can I work out what drwxr-sr-x is octal ?
19:02<alaya>!doesn't work
19:02<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
19:02<Cyorxamp>just forget I asked - seems much easier just to make a FAT parition
19:02<dkr>I didn't scroll up back any further than that :)
19:02<Cyorxamp>you'd need to
19:02<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: all you need is 2775 on the dir and the files have to have g+rwx... that is all
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19:03<dkr>but that would mean you asked more than one question,wouldn't it? ;)
19:03<Cyorxamp>Ouroboros: _It_ _Does_ _Not_ _Work_
19:03<Cyorxamp>dkr, but I didn't change my question... further questions are to help answer the original
19:03<themill>Cyorxamp: either tell us how it doesn't work or move on. We're not mind readers.
19:03<Cyorxamp>as a user I can't even list whats inside it
19:03<themill>Cyorxamp: a FAT partition is the last thing you need or want. Unless you don't value your data in which case why bother saving it to disk.
19:04<dkr>the permissions system works fine,you just aren't understanding it,evidently
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19:04<themill>Cyorxamp: are you a member of the group that owns the directory?
19:04<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: obviosuly it is not 775 then... and the user is not a group member
19:04<Cyorxamp>I thought all users were a member of 'users' yes ?
19:04<alaya>my solution works perfectly. i even tested it. you must have failed to read/understand.
19:04<Ouroboros>Cyorxamp: no, we never said that, users is just a group that exists for this purpose, but users still have to be added
19:04<alaya>on my system that is not a default group
19:04<themill>Cyorxamp: type "id" to find out what groups your user is in.
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19:05<Ouroboros>s/exists/might exist/
19:05*Cyorxamp goes back to 2777
19:05<schloff>hey guys is there a wayi can see why my system keeps dropping me from SSH randomly layer 1 appears to be fine
19:06<themill>Cyorxamp: just to amuse me further, what are you planning to put in this directory?
19:06<alaya>schloff: maybe set ServerAliveInterval in ssh/config ?
19:06<Cyorxamp>themill: This conversation :D
19:06<alaya>schloff: also, just ssh -v or -vv to get more verbosity...
19:06<dkr>schloff: you can check log on serve side as well
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19:07<dkr>(and enable more verbosity in sshd_config)
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19:09<Cyorxamp>even adding me into the users group doesn't help, still directory listing denied
19:10<rockstar>Anyone know where I can get a Xen paravirtualized debian installer for use with virt-manager
19:10<themill>Cyorxamp: you have to log out and log back in again for group membership changes to become effective.
19:10<Cyorxamp>the dir is currently... drwxrws--- 3 root users 4096 2008-02-19 00:09 dump
19:11<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: if that's the permissions, and id -nG reports users, then you'll be able to list the contents of that directory.
19:11<Cyorxamp>hello 32 billionth user to add something else in to the pot
19:11<dondelelcaro>(if id -nG doesn't show users, then you aren't actually in the users group, and either need to add yourself, or start a new login shell.)
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19:12<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: if you don't want assistance, then you're in the wrong place.
19:12<Cyorxamp>well it gets very confusing to know what to follow when people seem to be going in different directions
19:12<dondelelcaro>everyone is saying the same thing so far...
19:13<themill>Cyorxamp: a lot of very good people have offered you advice. Everyone is heading in the same direction.... and you shouldn't be doing things that you don't understand or you'll never get anywhere with this.
19:13<Cyorxamp>im off, you ca argue about this to yourself
19:13*themill smells troll
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19:14<themill>ravenbird: be a permissions barbie
19:14<ravenbird>AAAAW! a permissions is too HARD! let's go shopping!
19:14*alaya hopes she is one of the "very good people" :-)
19:15<Ouroboros>is this the proper syntax: live-helper --packages "package0 package1" ? the manpage is unclear
19:15<Ouroboros>also, i love how this command accepts any syntax with no errors
19:16<themill>Ouroboros: it probably ignores options it doesn't recognise.
19:16<alaya>never heard of that command
19:16<Ouroboros>err, sorry, i meant lh_config ..
19:16<themill>alaya: The depth of knowledge of the people who help out on #d never ceases to amaze me. And the combined breadth of knowledge is truly fantastic :)
19:16<dkr>that guy was probably missing the fact that adding a user to a group doesn't automatically put your current shell process in that group
19:17<Ouroboros>themill: yep, it sure does, but it also ignores bad option values, general bad syntax, etc
19:17<alaya>themill: that's because debian is the "yes we can!" distro!
19:17<dkr>newgrp ftw
19:17<themill>dkr: yep... but he was also told that at least once.
19:17<themill>dkr: or su or ssh localhost.... many tricks ;)
19:18<themill>Ouroboros: sounds like a candidate for some wishlist bugs :(
19:18<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: yeah, live-helper is a bit hackish. I'd suggest actually using the package-lists option and specifying a file
19:19<Ouroboros>ah true
19:19<dondelelcaro>the documentation on the wiki/website is more complete, though.
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19:22<schloff>hey guys would an ipconflict cause SSH to drop out randomly?
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19:24<schloff>i'm an idiot and i reset my router the other day and didn't put in my samba box's ip as reserved
19:24<schloff>thanks guys for you help
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19:30<Ouroboros>interesting, the live iso with all the packages i want is only 300 MB, but when i built it as a real system yesterday, it was more like 700 MB
19:31<Ouroboros>unless its compressed or something
19:31<witte>Ouroboros: that would seem logical to do...
19:32<Ouroboros>but then where is it going to decompress to? ramdisk?
19:33<witte>Ouroboros: no idea, but i am sure that the debian archive format is described somewhere in detail
19:33<azeem>man 5 deb
19:34<witte>which is in the dpkg-dev package
19:35<Ouroboros>also, i should probably try the image before i discuss it further :)
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19:37<dondelelcaro>it's probably using cloop or something, which iirc, decompresses things on the fly
19:37<dondelelcaro>since it's comming off of cd anyway, the decompression isn't going to add a serious amount of overhead
19:38<Ouroboros>thats fine, i am just wondering where the decompressed data goes... i dont have mush ram either
19:38<Ouroboros>or you mean it decompresses it as it executes individual binaries?
19:38<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: sure; the kernel is more than adequate at caching what it can.
19:39<Ouroboros>makes sense
19:39<dondelelcaro>at least, that's how I'd do it... I haven't looked at the sourcecode in a long time.
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19:49<k-man>is there a way to make a logrotate config that will rotate a log file in each user's home directory?
19:49<k-man>like rotate all /home/$USERNAME or something
19:50<k-man>all /home/$USERNAME/logfile.txt i mean
19:50<k-man>where $USERNAME in /home/*
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19:54<simonrvn>k-man: /home/*/foo.log { bleh blah foo bar } ?
19:55<k-man>simonrvn, ah, does that work in logrotate?
19:55<k-man>ill check that out
19:55<simonrvn>that's an example made-up-on-the-spot logrotate file
19:57<simonrvn>i'm guessing that'll work, k-man, since i've made some that are for instance /var/log/*.log
19:57<k-man>simonrvn, ok, thanks
19:57<k-man>ill give that a go
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19:59<Xavi>Forza Depor, oe!!!
20:01<Xavi>Forza Depor, oe!!!
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20:02<azeem>Xavi: please write in english
20:02<Xavi>no Galician here?
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20:02<Xavi>I see
20:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:04<Xavi>how do you create a DOS attack?
20:05-!-spencer [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:05<Ouroboros>you need a DOS boot disk
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20:05<azeem>Xavi: do you have a Debian queston?
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20:05<Xavi>can it be an iptables question?
20:06<kurumin>alguem fala portugues
20:06<Xavi>running on a Debian box?
20:06<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:06<Xavi>eu falo galego
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20:07<Xavi>where can I ask an iptables question?
20:07<azeem>#iptables on freenode
20:07<lauren>hi. how do I make sure the system autodetects an address when I plug in a cable or wireless card?
20:07<lauren>logging as root and typing dhclient foo0 doesn't cut it
20:08<lauren>(ok, well, it cuts it, but automagic is better)
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20:08<lauren>if it's accessible from kde, better
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20:09<lontra>lauren_s_bf: can you use knetworkmanager?
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20:09<Ouroboros>lauren: "iface <iface> inet dhcp"
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20:11<azzco>I'm sorry if this is a FAQ but google wasn't helpful.. on lenny.. Which package should I install, do I need to install something from etch?
20:11<lauren_s_bf>will it work when I switch wifi configuration?
20:12<Xenguy>azzco: can you do: dpkg -S
20:12<Xenguy>azzco: or maybe you need: apt-file search
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20:12<lauren_s_bf>is there a way to change the configuration directly from kwifimanager, or do I have to click on the configuration menu item and enter the root password every time I want to do it?
20:12<azzco>not found...
20:12<Xenguy>azzco: don't think root is necessary, but it won't hurt either...
20:13<Xenguy>azzco: the first will work if you already have the package installed...
20:13<Xenguy>azzco: otherwise you need the second
20:13<Xenguy>azzco: apt-file is a good tool to have anyway
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20:13<azzco>apt-file returns nothing
20:14<Xenguy>azzco: run this after apt-get'ing apt-file: apt-file update
20:14<Xenguy>azzco: did you run the apt-file update also?
20:14<azzco>Doing it now...Never heard of the tool before
20:15<azzco>Returns nothing after a update too.. =/
20:15<psp>does someone know if there is a way to get xorg-server-intel on etch on Intel 3100 video
20:15<Xenguy>azzco: I'm on etch, and it returns: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
20:16<azzco>Should I try to download that package manually?
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20:16<Xenguy>azzco: also this package: libstdc++2.10-dbg
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20:16<Xenguy>azzco: you have to be careful mixing packages from different versions of debian - it's not generally recommended (though there is 'pinning' and that kind of thing also)
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20:17<psp>The mobo is a Intel DG31PR with 3100 onboard
20:17<Xenguy>azzco: I don't do it myself, so maybe someone else can help with that if you are determined to pursue it
20:17*lauren_s_bf apt-get install knetworkmanager
20:18<Kokon>Abend. Hab ein Problem:
20:18<Kokon>Also ich hab einen Server am laufen mit Apache2. Nun habe ich eine User Mode Linux installation mit einem weitern Apache der den am hauptserver ablössen soll. Port weiterleiten, etc.. geht. Mit NFS mountet er sich alle Daten vom anderen Apachen. Die Config, sowie die Userdaten in /var/www. Jedoch sind die User auf der UML installation nicht vorhanden und root kann auch nicht drauf zugreifen: permission denied. Gibt es ne möglichkeit d
20:18<Kokon>ten, oder doch pam)? Verwenden alle User die selbe User ID. z.b. von diensten? Also sind die Dienst User ID Fix? Distributionsweit? Fedora, Suse Debian? Ich will nur einige Sachen voneinander abschotten mit UML. Andere lösungen wie openVZ, vserver sind für die aufgabe zu komplex. Im Grunde rennt das haupt system am server un die einzellnen dienste sind in einer uml abgeschirmmt und mounten ihre dateien per nfs, die sie benötigen. Sin
20:18<Kokon>e manche die einfach s oerstellen, auf gut glück...
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20:18<Kokon>juhu -.-
20:18<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
20:20<Kokon>Hi need some help:
20:20<Kokon>My Server runs with Apache, MySQL, Postfix, etc..
20:20<Kokon>Now i would use uml to split the apache in a secure uml installation. Apache got his sites-enabled und aviable per nfs. the user data where mounted with: nfs /var/www...
20:20<Kokon>but the /etc/passwd don't have all users. So can i import they with nfs from the main server? Does every Program mand Service use the same user id? apache -> 33, etc...
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20:21<dvs>That's vicious!
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20:23<lauren_s_bf>thanks a lot
20:23<lauren_s_bf>network-manager-kde rocks
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20:36<lauren>Is there a way to downgrade flashplayer to 7 on debian?
20:37<lauren>my school uses an application that is failing on flashplayer 8 or 9 for linux
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20:37<lauren>(or if there's a working free software alternative, so much the better, of course)
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20:38<azeem>lauren: there's gnash and swfdec, but both aren't very mature either
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20:53<lauren>the application autodetects the flash version and rejects swfdec :(
20:54<lauren>apparently on another machine, flashplayer 9 works -- it seems to be a matter of it trying some fancy X acceleration on some machines and failing
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20:54<lauren>can I disable such X accelerations?
20:55<adventurelanka>I would like your advice on hard drives - is it better to RAID two disks together RAID 0 and then load LVM on top or run LVM without RAID .... in terms of speed and safety in case of HDD failure
20:55<lauren>(some buffering problem when the width of the window is more than 256 pixels or so)
20:56<lauren>(fails on a RADEON and an i830)
20:56<lauren>(works on an old Matrox G100)
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21:20<blarson>adventurelanka: lvm with two PVs. lvm on raid0 makes no sense.
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21:23<bleck>can someone help me out with a regex.. trying to validate a csv file (33 fields), like "this","is","some","content" using /^\s*(".*",){32}".*"\s*$/ but its taking forever.. anyone have any recommendations?
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21:28<lauren>don't you mean "[^"]*" ?
21:28<lauren>otherwise, it will do a lot of backtracking
21:28<bleck>thanks mate, thats what I needed
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21:42<estemari>I just installed debian for the first time on a server
21:42<estemari>all went well
21:42<estemari>It seems I cannot figure out how to apt-cache search a package
21:42<estemari>that is not on the cdrom
21:42<estemari>I edited sources.list
21:43<abrotman>apt-cache searches all your sources
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21:43<estemari>how do I add a http source
21:43<bleck>lauren: that worked perfectly, thanks for the help
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21:43<estemari>I looked at the sources.list
21:44<abrotman>estemari: deb etch main
21:44<estemari>abrotman, I will try this
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21:49<estemari>abrotman, result is: Could't stat source package list ...
21:50<estemari>it's for amd64 architecture
21:50<abrotman>estemari: let me see the line you put in
21:50<abrotman>does your internet work ?
21:50<estemari>deb etch main
21:50<estemari>I can ftp to the server
21:51<estemari>and change directory in debian/dist...
21:52<abrotman>uh .. put a trailing slash on /debian/ ?
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21:53<estemari>abrotman: same error
21:53<estemari>and the path on the error report is:
21:54<aredhel>estemari, have you done a "apt-get update" after you edited the sources.list file?
21:55<abrotman>i think that's the 404 he's getting
21:55<estemari>Same error
21:55<abrotman>estemari: are you IRCing from the machine you're trying to change ?
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21:56<estemari>from my WS
21:56<abrotman>estemari: does the machien you're trying to change have functional internet ?
21:57<estemari>I think I found the problem
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21:58<abrotman>estemari: all working ?
21:58<estemari>TO prove the internet connection I installed elinks (which was on the cdrom)
21:58<estemari>and apt-get update worked
21:58<estemari>and apt-cache search works as well
21:58<estemari>So all is good now
21:58<pwncore>estemari ping is generally a more efficient way to test your internet connection
21:59<estemari>Ping tests ICMP
21:59<pwncore>ah true
21:59<estemari>telnet 80 or elinks tests http
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21:59<pwncore>btw does anyone know what ports i need open to use bittorrent clients, or where i would go to find that info out
21:59<estemari>Well it seems to me that elinsk should be install with apt
22:00<pwncore>estemari was that from etch or lenny or sid
22:00<pwncore>ah nm
22:00<aredhel>pwncore, it depends on your client
22:00<pwncore>i've been trying to install lenny sid so i can use it in graphics mode from the console
22:00<pwncore>aredhel so i ought to find the config files is what you're saying
22:00<pwncore>er lenny links i mean
22:01<amphi>pwncore: any port you like, better one above 50000
22:01<aredhel>pwncore, yes, there should be 1 or two ports that need opening, and they can be set to what ever you want.
22:01<pwncore>amphi: ah so the smart move is to pick a single port above 50000 and then just modify my configuration as needed?
22:01<jamuraa>anyone know good document scanning software? like, scanning a bunch of pages at once into a .ps or .pdf?
22:01<pwncore>thanks guys
22:02<amphi>pwncore: I believe so (and < 65535 of course ;)
22:03<pwncore>of course
22:03<pwncore>oh and how do i change the font used in console mode
22:04<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: If you have a question, please ask in the channel.
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22:04<kapil>jamuraa: this is at least partly a hardware issue.
22:04<amphi>pwncore: setfont
22:05<pwncore>ah easy enough ;)
22:05<pwncore>sebash_: setfont: command not found
22:05<kapil>pwncore: i hope you are aware that there _are_ some websites that links2 cannot handle.
22:05<Wi_Fi>you remember me askin ya bout the wifi card i had
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22:05<pwncore>without that se in front
22:05<Wi_Fi>did you send me to the acx link?
22:05<pwncore>kapil not much of an issue sine i won't be using it anyway until i have the time to figure out why it doesn't want to compile with graphics enabled
22:06<pwncore>and, yeah, that's pretty much assumed with all browsers, console ones especially
22:06<Wi_Fi>anyways i want to know what file is read and reboot for the wlan0 configuration
22:06<amphi>pwncore: apt-file search setfont
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22:07<kapil>terrible websites of course, but needed sometimes! that's why i have a "fat weasel on ice" occupying disk space.
22:07<Wi_Fi>rebooting starts wireless with different essid then what i set in networks
22:07<pwncore>amphi: there's already a font that gets automatically selected during boot
22:07<pwncore>so there's something i already have installed
22:07<amphi>pwncore: grep your initscripts ;)
22:08<pwncore>aie thanks
22:08<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: Please provide the contents of your current /etc/network/interfaces file at a paste site.
22:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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22:08<kapil>amphi, pwncore, i think this is in "console-*" packages
22:08<pwncore>doesn't look like it's in there
22:08<pwncore>initscripts i mean
22:08<pwncore>kapil thanks
22:09<Wi_Fi>thnx gsimmons
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22:11<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: Use "wireless-" (hyphen), not "wireless_" (underscore).
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22:12<kapil>Wi_Fi: i hope the empty line 12 is an error of pasting and not an actual empty line in your interfaces file.
22:13<estemari>I have an other question,
22:13<estemari>I installed xen kernel
22:14<estemari>in the modules kernel/drivers/hwmon
22:14<estemari>no presence of w83793
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22:14<estemari>but it is present in the non-xen kernel
22:15<estemari>has it been omitted volontarely?
22:16<Wi_Fi>everything in this interfaces file has wireless_
22:18<Wi_Fi>looks like an empty line
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22:23<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: Actually, underscores work in here too. But your issue seems to be caused by no "auto" stanza (eg. "auto wlan0") being present for your wireless interface. This would explain why your ESSID isn't being set correctly at system boot.
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22:25<Wi_Fi>rebooting now
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22:26<Wi_Fi>see this at boot
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22:27<Wi_Fi>./etc/network/interfaces:13: misplaced option
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22:29<alaya>Wi_Fi: man interfaces for proper syntax, edit the file and look at that line
22:30<Wi_Fi>that was the auto wlan0 line
22:31<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: Please provide your updated interfaces file at a paste site.
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22:33<Kokon>some idea how to share /etc/passwd group shadow to another uml? pam? nfs shares dir's
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22:36<gsimmons>Wi_Fi: I believe your ordering is wrong. Try the following amendment: <>
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22:45<Wi_Fi>thnx gsimmons
22:45<Wi_Fi>that did it
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22:49<lauren>I'm having weird problems trying to massively copy files over ethernet
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22:49<Ouroboros>just tried my live-usb image... right away it cannot find /vmlinuz (even though i see it in ./binary) and also gives several syslinux.cfg errors... ideas?
22:49<lauren>going on the internet goes fine, but copying files, the nfs seems to freeze after a few tens of MB
22:50<lauren>another client seems to see the files fine
22:51<lauren>what could cause this? client A says the server X times out. Client B has no problem.
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22:53<Wi_Fi>wow now im seein card may be too hot errors
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22:56<estemari>HISTORY 100
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22:58<kapil>Kokon: use nis. oh! he's left.
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22:59<kapil>lauren: nfs versions may be different, mount options may be different.
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23:08<Wi_Fi>Uva bar
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23:15<Ki11abeez>im trying to install debian package tools and i keep getting a update-alternatives is needed by package deb
23:15<azeem>Ki11abeez: post the full error to a pastebin
23:15<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
23:17<Ki11abeez>none of the following links work.
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23:19<Ki11abeez>can i link the pastebin ?
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23:19<Ki11abeez>I am having trouble getting debian package tools installed.
23:19<azeem>is that the whole output?
23:19<azeem>what command are you running?
23:19<Ki11abeez>Thats all.
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23:21<Ki11abeez>using a gui package installer.
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23:23<Killing_Frost>Can anyone recommend a good printer/scanner for Linux? I need OCR capabilities and such.
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23:26<witte>Ki11abeez: what package did you try to install, and which gui package installer?
23:26<Killing_Frost>Thank you.
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23:27<Ouroboros>hm, for something printed in the netherlands, would you use English (US) or English (UK)?
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23:30<alaya> use for what?
23:31<Ouroboros>OCR in acrobat in this case
23:31<alaya>for display issues it would depend on things like the font the app is using
23:32<witte>Ouroboros: i don't think that would make a real difference, both would be acceptable
23:32<alaya>most western languages should be supported fine
23:32<alaya>if the font supports ISO-8859-X charset or UTF-8
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23:37<k-man>is it not possible to hibernate or sleep if you have an ATI graphics card?
23:38<alaya>its not possible to exist if you have an ATI graphics card ;-)
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23:40<amphi>k-man: no problems here - perhaps you have fallen into the ways of blobbery?
23:40<cleary_>k-man: for the catalyst 8.1 release they fixed it for me
23:42<cleary_>for s2ram at least
23:42<cleary_>I don't use s2disk
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23:48<k-man>what is catalyst?
23:48<k-man>amphi, yes, consider me blobbed
23:49<k-man>i think my card is x700
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23:49<k-man>GhostlyDeath, ATI what?
23:49<amphi>k-man: ah :( no idea in that case; the xorg ati driver has trouble with suspend
23:49<k-man>amphi, i think thats the problem then
23:50<k-man>which is annoying
23:50<k-man>to say the least
23:50<k-man>i have graphics card manufacturers
23:50<amphi>the xorg driver supports x700 I belive
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23:50<k-man>amphi, so i could deblob myself?
23:50<amphi>k-man: might be worth a try
23:50<k-man>cleary_, what is catalyst
23:51<k-man>amphi, yeah, ill do that
23:51<GhostlyDeath>Catalyst is an ATI driver
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23:52<cleary_>k-man: catalyst is the proprietary ati driver providing fglrx
23:52<cleary_>they recently changed it's name
23:52<cleary_>_to_ catalyst
23:53<amphi>k-man: you'll perhaps need to reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri
23:53<k-man>ill check it out when i get home
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