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---Logopened Tue Feb 19 00:00:11 2008
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00:01<k-man>what is the hybernation mechanism called in debian?
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00:05<pwncore>k-man: hibernate, i'm pretty sure
00:06<k-man>i thought there used to be a number of different ways of hibernating?
00:06<amphi>k-man: swsusp - does cat /sys/power/state show 'disk' ?
00:06<k-man>amphi, i'm not at home right now
00:06<k-man>so i can't check
00:06<amphi>k-man: there's also uswsusp and swsusp2 ;)
00:07<amphi>k-man: echo disk > /sys/power/state hibernates for me
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00:10<Ouroboros>hm... wth, acrobat resized 2 out of 400 pages for some reason
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00:15<Steven-M>Hi all, who's good at the /etc/network/interk/interfaces file?
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00:16<Ouroboros>'man interfaces' is pretty good
00:17<GhostlyDeath>interfaces kick ass
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00:19<chealer>Steven-M: just ask your question.
00:19<pwncore>i enjoy my man interface
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00:19<pwncore>as do the wimmens, so i hear
00:20<Steven-M>lol at pwn core
00:22<Steven-M>can you set interfaces to use a maual ip address but still use the dhcp protocal?
00:23<Ouroboros>so i OCR'ed my book with acrobat... it was actually fairly easy and came out decent
00:23<Ouroboros>only thing i dont like is that it auto-rotate and auto-scaled a few of the pages, not sure how to turn that off
00:23<Ouroboros>Steven-M: usually you do that at the server?
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00:25<Steven-M>Ouroboros: is there no way to get the client side to request a specific ip?
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00:26<Ouroboros>dont know
00:27<Steven-M>GhostlyDeath: do you know?
00:28<GhostlyDeath>Steven-M: do I know?
00:29<Steven-M>is there no way to get the client side to request a specific ip from a DHCP server?
00:29<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: no
00:29<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: the server should always know best
00:29<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: however, there *are* ways to get all of the information besides the ip using dhcp...
00:30<dondelelcaro>(but those are generally totally isane, and you should be using the dhcp server to hand out static addresses in those cases)
00:30<Ouroboros>i am not sure whether it violates DHCP spec to request an IP that you have not been offered... but in any case i dont think the standard clients do this
00:32<SeveredCross>I'm almost certain that would be a violation of DHCP spec.
00:32<SeveredCross>If you want a persistent IP, either get a DHCP server that assigns IP's based on MAC, or set a static IP is what I've always been told.
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00:32<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: servers will send a DHCPREJECT if you do that.
00:33<dondelelcaro>(assuming they're authoritative)
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00:33<Ouroboros>dondelelcaro: what if you already have or previously had a lease for that IP?
00:34<dondelelcaro>Ouroboros: if the lease is valid, then REQUEST will work, otherwise, you should DISCOVER, and the server will OFFER the old ip to you.
00:34<Ouroboros>yeah, that makes sense
00:35<Steven-M>I want to use a sub interface so I can't have the the DHCP assign by MAC address.
00:35<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: that's what client-id exists for.
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00:36<Steven-M>dondelelcaro: client-id's
00:36<robt>hi! I need to know how to install the driver for my wireless board, it's a broadcom 802.11 b/g
00:37<GhostlyDeath>robt: bcm34xx
00:37<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: man 5 interfaces; search for client.
00:37<GhostlyDeath>robt: Use Synaptics (with a net connect) and install it
00:37<GhostlyDeath>or your favorite package manager
00:37<robt>someone told sometthing about a firmware?
00:37<robt>that i need that too
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00:38<GhostlyDeath>robt: Do you have another net connections?
00:38<robt>i know very little about how linux works
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00:38<robt>i'm connected to the wire
00:38<GhostlyDeath>Using the alternate connection, Install "bcm43xx-fwcutter"
00:39<GhostlyDeath>robt: Are you using a GUI?
00:39<GhostlyDeath>GNOME, KDE, etc.?
00:39<GhostlyDeath>System > Admin > Synaptic Package manager
00:39<robt>i already did that, and installed everything there
00:40<robt>but it doesn't work
00:40<GhostlyDeath>Now go to a root terminal
00:40<GhostlyDeath>and type in "modprobe bcm43xx"
00:41<GhostlyDeath>Then check the network connection applet on the top toolbar (by default)
00:41<GhostlyDeath>Wireless may/may not appear
00:41<GhostlyDeath>You might need to restart your PC if it does not
00:41<GhostlyDeath>It seems to be capped to 24Mb/s though
00:42<GhostlyDeath>I get 50% signal to my router
00:42<robt>another question, my connection is 1.5mb but when i open iceweasel it takes about 5 seconds or more to open google or any page
00:42<dondelelcaro>GhostlyDeath: actually opening the page or resolving the address?
00:43<GhostlyDeath>hjave you tried Epiphany?
00:44<robt>itś the same problem
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00:44<Enfi|ade>[15:43] <robt> another question, my connection is 1.5mb but when i open iceweasel it takes about 5 seconds or more to open google or any page <-- Thats not unusual
00:44<robt>i know
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00:45<robt>i've just finished installing debian on my laptop, but this is the first time this happens
00:46<robt>i will reboot my laptop and see
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00:46<robt>ok thanks bye
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00:47<GhostlyDeath>yeah, pretty much
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00:52<Steven-M>dondelelcaro: do client id's add something to the MAC address string?
00:53<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: no, they're just sent as part of the DISCOVER packet to the server.
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00:55<Steven-M>ok, so how do I allocate ip address at the server end, I think my router only does that by mac address?
00:55<pwncore>has anyone used the wm called 'screen'?
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00:57<Steven-M>pwncore: the terminal one?
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00:58<dpkg>it has been said that bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware. If you are running Debian stable, you have to use the latest package from the volatile repository. See bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> and <volatile>.
00:58<robt>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
00:58<dpkg>as of Etch r3 (17 Feb 2008), bcm43xx-fwcutter can be found in the debian volatile repository. Include volatile in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" to install the latest version of the bcm43xx-fwcutter package and download the firmware. Ask me about <volatile>.
00:59<dpkg>hmm... volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb etch/volatile main contrib non-free
00:59<Steven-M>dondelelcaro: ok, so how do I allocate ip address at the server end, I think my router only does that by mac address?
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00:59<dondelelcaro>Steven-M: that's dependent on the DHCP server. I only know about ISC's.
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01:01<anfang>hello -- looking for help with sound
01:02<anfang>(no one in #alsa right now)
01:02<pwncore>Steven-M : that's the one
01:02<pwncore>brb, booting into x
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01:10<DaCapn>man... I think I was having a bunch of problems with system stability because I had HPET enabled but didn't have the proper kernel module
01:10<DaCapn>Now I have a totally bastardized unstable system haha
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01:11<DaCapn>unstable as in sid btw...
01:11<DaCapn>It actually seems to run fine more or less now
01:13<Steven-M>pwncore: I've heard about screen but don't actually use it sorry.
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01:17<JustSoul>I have a bug in KDE: When I open list (white box with down arrow), KDE hang. Nothing work. when I press alt+F4 openned list closed and everything gos normal
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01:19<pwncore>ok, what's the filesystem type for dvd-roms?
01:19<pwncore>ah ok
01:20<jm_>pwncore: just don't specify it, many of them are iso9660 too
01:20<jm_>mount shall figure it out on its own
01:21<pwncore>how come vlc doesn't want to cooperate
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01:22<akiva>Hello, I am in IRSSI in terminal right now, how can I hide all the network packet drop in / out data messages?
01:22<Ouroboros>pwncore: because its vlc
01:22<pwncore>but vlc pwns with such great justice in windows
01:23<dondelelcaro>akiva: what network packet drop messages?
01:23<Ouroboros>pwncore: whats the problem that you are having?
01:23<pwncore>i press play and it does nothing
01:23<akiva>I am getting stuff like DROPPED IN = eth1 OUT = MAC etc
01:23<akiva>and a bunch of numbers
01:23<pwncore>maybe flashes the dvd button bar thing
01:23<pwncore>is there another viewer that's more reliable for dvds
01:23<dondelelcaro>akiva: that's not irssi that's doing that, that's your iptables log rules.
01:23<dpkg>printk console is, like, see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
01:23<dondelelcaro>akiva: see above.
01:23<akiva>I know, I never said it was IRSSI, I was just saying I am in it
01:24<akiva>dmesg -n1
01:24<dondelelcaro>akiva: you can also echo '0 0 0 0' > /proc/sys/kernel/printk as root.
01:24<akiva>This is from IPTABLES \, ie. my firewall?
01:24<dondelelcaro>you have -t LOG somewhere in your rules, and it's using printk, which you've got set to print to your console.
01:24<akiva>OKay, I will sign out and try that and sign back in
01:24<dondelelcaro>err, -j LOG
01:25<akiva>AH, thanks
01:25<pwncore>ah totem is working
01:25<dondelelcaro>you can just ^Z and fix it, then fg
01:25<Ouroboros>pwncore: never tried vlc for dvds in linux
01:25<pwncore>ack libdvdcss
01:25<pwncore>that's why it aint' workin
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01:25<akiva>Okay, one more question...
01:26<anfang>anyone want to help me listen to music?
01:26<akiva>It seems that now I am unable to type properly in Gnome (TWM seems fine). What happens is my keyboard doesn't reacte unless I hold it down and then it inputs double characters at a time.
01:26<akiva>But this did not happen before yestedary
01:26<anfang>(i'm at the stage of installing an irc client cos internet research has not turned up any satisfactory answers)
01:27<akiva>I cannot think of what I may have done to have altered the keyboard setup.
01:28<Ouroboros>arg, acrobat is so non-configurable
01:28<chealer>anfang: just ask your question
01:29<JustSoul>I have a bug in KDE: Sometimes when I open list (white box with down arrow), KDE hang. Nothing work. when I press alt+F4 openned list closed and everything goes normal. How to fix it?
01:29<chealer>JustSoul: did you try asking #debian-kde?
01:29<anfang>I have no sound
01:29<akiva>Would anyone have any suggestions? I have some programming work that needs done... Ugh, I love Debian and Linux in general but I end up always getting weird issues that kill my productivity
01:30<JustSoul>chealer: on freenode?
01:30<anfang>don't know where to keep going: i've investigated modules etc as much as I'm able
01:30<chealer>JustSoul: ideally here
01:30<Katya>hi guys
01:30<fignew>akiva: switch to kde
01:31<akiva>I don't have it installed, but I don't know if I care for that fix. I generally seem to prefer Gnome
01:31<jm_>akiva: perhaps verify keyboard repeat rate etc.
01:31<Katya>i am an advanced user in linux
01:31<anfang>is there a simple, easy-to-follow, up-to-date alsa howto for debian?
01:31<akiva>jm_: I have tried the basic kbd settings, etc. no fix
01:31<jm_>akiva: run "xset q"
01:31<Katya>i want already made videos on how to install debian
01:31<chealer>akiva: whic Debian suite do you use?
01:31<akiva>jm_: What does that do?
01:31<jm_>akiva: man xset
01:31<akiva>chealer: I use Lenny/Sid
01:32<jm_>anfang: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
01:32<chealer>akiva: which applications are affected?
01:32<akiva>jm_: I got: Unable to display ""
01:33<anfang>jm_: thanks will do
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01:33<akiva>chealer: Any and all, as soon as I enter after the log on screen (which works fine, as does TWM) Anything within Gnome has the problem
01:34<akiva>chealer: I found some similar problems after people upgraded their distros, it seemed to be the kernal, but that was unanswered posts on Ubuntu boards
01:34<jm_>akiva: yeah you need to run it in X
01:34<anfang>jm_: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" only asked me to choose out of alsa and oss, then exited...
01:34<chealer>akiva: for example?
01:34<anfang>sound still doesn't work
01:34<jm_>anfang: lsmod|grep snd; cat /proc/asound/cards
01:34<jm_>anfang: do you have debian kernel installed?
01:35<anfang>for my specs
01:35<akiva>jm_: I wil try that in one moment, then. Thanks
01:35<anfang>kernel was installed of the 4.0-r2 iso
01:36<jm_>anfang: ok what do those commands say?
01:36<Ouroboros>i love how by the time you finish installing debian, its already out of date
01:36<jm_>anfang: did you unmute it at all?
01:36<akiva>chealer: For example, I log in from the log in screen, into Gnome session, and my mouse works fine, as does the rest of the environment, I can open anything from mouse actions, but as soon as I need to type, I can no longer simply press I key, I need to hold it. And then it doubles each characters, for instance "aakkiivvaa"
01:36<anfang>jm_: yes
01:36<akiva>chealer: I don't have any idea. I think I may have done a dist-upgrade, but I don't remember.
01:36<chealer>akiva: OK but could you give an example of application which has this problem?
01:37<anfang>lsmod | grep snd:
01:37<anfang>snd_intel8x0 30332 1
01:37<anfang>snd_ac97_codec 83104 1 snd_intel8x0
01:37<anfang>snd_ac97_bus 2400 1 snd_ac97_codec
01:37<anfang>snd_pcm_oss 38368 0
01:37<akiva>chealer: Anything, location bar in web browser, text pad, email... anything, literally
01:37<anfang>snd_mixer_oss 15200 1 snd_pcm_oss
01:37<anfang>snd_pcm 68676 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
01:37<anfang>snd_timer 20996 1 snd_pcm
01:37<anfang>snd 47012 8 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
01:37<anfang>soundcore 9248 1 snd
01:37<anfang>snd_page_alloc 10184 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
01:37<anfang>oops sorry
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01:38<chealer>akiva: does the same text pad application work fine in TWM?
01:38<anfang>jm_: my lsmod and lspci and aplay outputs are all on that link
01:38<akiva>chealer: Sorry, yes
01:38<Katya>i just want videos about how to install debian GNU/linux
01:39<adventurelanka>is there a way to clean a Harddisk prior to installing Debian ? I administer remotely
01:39<Katya>any one has ready links, p\lease
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01:39<chealer>adventurelanka: what do you mean by clean a HD?
01:39<adventurelanka>the old partition tables are causing problems
01:39<Ouroboros>Katya: why would you need a video? it takes like 5 min to install a default debian (if everything goes well?)
01:39<anfang>and so is more cardinfo now
01:40<Katya>Ouroboros, not for me bro
01:40<adventurelanka>I want to strip the drive bare
01:40<adventurelanka>before installing the system again
01:40<Katya>i wanna post the links on a forum
01:40<adventurelanka>I am administering remotely
01:41<akiva>Katya: I would search youtube and metacafe for videos, but install is so specific you usually find text tutorials, not videos
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01:41<chealer>anfang: what kind of PC is that?
01:41<akiva>Katya: Besides, a far bit would be filming a screen, not screen capture and would look a mess
01:41<Katya>i am doing so.. but i am not getting any
01:41<anfang>chealer: a dell... how much info do you want?
01:42<Katya>maybe i should make a one
01:42<akiva>Katya: Sounds good
01:42<Ouroboros>Katya: you could get a full screen capture by installing in something like vmware
01:42<Katya>without RAID and the like.. just a desktop install
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01:42<Ouroboros>yep... literally takes 5 min
01:42<Katya>i have vmware
01:42<akiva>chealer: Any ideas?
01:42<jm_>anfang: unmute it
01:43<chealer>anfang: it's an old computer, right?
01:43<Katya>no i want a full install with X and the like
01:43<anfang>chealer: yeah a bit
01:43<anfang>jm_: that was the first thing i did
01:43<anakngdemonyo>any girls there?
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01:43<anfang>(i've fought through alsa before on gentoo)
01:43<chealer>anfang: are you sure that ALSA supports your sound card?
01:43<adventurelanka>hi guys is there a way ?
01:43<Katya>how long the video can i post on youtube?
01:43<jm_>anfang: paste the output of 'amixer scontents' on some paste site (not here)
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01:44<anfang>chealer: it's on the i810 chipset
01:44<Ouroboros>Katya: so you just need to select "desktop environment" in the tasksel thing... unless you want to show how to configure video card drivers also
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01:44<Katya>ok .. i'll see
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01:45<anfang>jm_: (again -- edited to include amixer scontents)
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01:48<chealer>akiva: did that start after rebooting the PC?
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01:49<Katya>guys.. i want to add sound support to the video
01:50<Katya>would vmware lemme do it?
01:51<Ouroboros>sound drivers?
01:51<akiva>chealer: To be honest, I cannot recall. I can say that itrying the on screen keyboard requires double clicking and acts much like the regular keyboard in that sense. I don't know if it helps but it keeps mentioning some GOC?
01:52<Katya>Ouroboros, i mean to record my voice for explaning
01:52<Katya>Ouroboros, i mean to record my voice for explaining
01:52<jm_>anfang: did you try unmuting line and aux controls? how about toggles - does toggling that help?
01:53<akiva>chealer: update: I just deactivated sticky keys and now the characters no longer double,. but I still have to press and hold it down for a while. I will check the kbd settings, brb
01:53<chealer>akiva: I don't know what "it" you're talking nor what "GOC" means. when was the last time you remember it worked fine?
01:53<Katya>jm_, i am just asking whether i can do that on vmware?
01:53<Katya>voice recording and mixing it with the video
01:54<jm_>Katya: do what?
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01:54<Ouroboros>Katya: that has to do with your host and what you plan to use to record the thing
01:54<anfang>jm_: checking...
01:54<akiva>chealer: Sorry, press and hold down IT being the keyboard's keys. Don't mean to sound ambiguous.
01:54<akiva>chealer: Last time I remember it working was two days ago
01:55<pwncore>does anyone play freedroid?
01:55<pwncore>what do you actually do during the takeover subgame? the documentation doesn't give any clues as to what freakin buttons you're supposed to press or anything
01:56<chealer>akiva: is it possible that this would have started when rebooting to a new Linux image?
01:57<Katya>Ouroboros, i'll check it.. i think u did not get my simple question
01:58<Ouroboros>Katya: vmware doesnt have recording capabilities (that i know of), so you are gonna be using some kind of screen capture software... you need to see whether it does sound
01:58<Ouroboros>Katya: is that your question?
01:58<chealer>anfang: just for my curiosity, could you show me the whole $ lspci -v; ?
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01:59<Katya>ok thats it
01:59<jm_>Katya: xvidcap has enable audio option
01:59<Ouroboros>the only thing i have used for screen capture in linux is vncrec which does not do sound and also kinda sucks
01:59<akiva>chealer: No, I have not done that since reformat ages ago.
01:59<anfang>jm_: no fixing
02:00<Katya>u know just normal recording of the screen as video (not a screen shots slide show) with sound
02:00<jm_>anfang: which kernel version is this?
02:00<Ouroboros>yeah try xvidcap
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02:00<chealer>akiva: really? which Linux image do you use?
02:00<akiva>chealer: I really appreciate your help. I think maybe I just need to adjust the keyboard sensitivity now, especially since it (the keyboard) no longer doubles the characters. Is this what Stickey Keys does?
02:00<jm_>anfang: try something newer first?
02:00<akiva>chealer: I use Debian Lenny/Sid
02:00<chealer>akiva: I don't think so?
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02:01<chealer>akiva: yeah but if you didn't change your Linux image since ages I suppose you're not using lenny's current Linux image.
02:02<Ouroboros>;f=17;t=3932 | i am having the same problem as this guy (and many others), but most people seem to solve it by remaking their floppy, however i am using a USB drive and i have verified the image... any ideas?
02:02<akiva>chealer: Shouldn't frequent apt dist-upgrades fix that possibility?
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02:03<akiva>chealer: Do you know where I can change the key sensitivity for my keyboard? I can only find how to change the repeat key speed and delay, not for basic typing preferences
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02:03<anfang>jm_: really? btw in general, I seem to be missing any sort of modutils/alsa or modules.conf
02:03<chealer>akiva: not just that. you need to reboot to start using a newly-installed kernel.
02:03<chealer>akiva: not with GNOME, no.
02:04<jm_>anfang: did you try anything else besides aplay
02:04<anfang>this page seems to be out of date when it comes to that stuff (bash won't let me run update-modules any more
02:04<anfang>jm_: mp3
02:04<akiva>chealer: I do restart afterwards. Hmm, well, I will keep looking into this but must log off for a bit. Lhitraot and shalom.
02:04<jm_>anfang: update-modules is no longer needed with 2.6 kernels
02:04<anfang>jm_: .wav a while ago (i've fiddled a bit since)
02:05*akiva salutes chealer
02:05<chealer>akiva: you could have sent me to the bathroom, but...bye
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02:05<akiva>chealer: pardon? the bathroom? what? haha
02:06<Ouroboros>why do crazy people always talk about leonardo dicaprio
02:06<anfang>jm_: .ogg no sound...
02:06<anfang>Ouroboros: why are children so young?
02:06<jm_>anfang: well I would try some newer kernels, and if that still doesn't work, ask on alsa mailing list
02:06<anfang>jm_, chealer_: ok well thanks for your help
02:06<chealer>akiva: I don't know what Lhitraot and shalom means. maybe you just told me to "f*ck myself", but I suppose it means bye. so bye :)
02:07<Ouroboros>anfang: i am just having the weirdest de javu experience right now listening to this chick on loveline
02:07<akiva>chealer: Haha, oh, I see. It means "Until next time and peace"
02:07<akiva>chealer: Only good things for you. ;)
02:08<chealer>akiva: hehe. thanks :)
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02:09<chealer>anfang: it's the pleasure...and feel free to send me your lspci -v; if you have a minute :)
02:09<DaCapn>anyone happen to know why some instances of nautilus seem to launch without the side pane (with various removable filesystems etc) and without the option to view the side pane in the "view" menu? For example, when a USB drive auto-mounts and opens up nautilus, or when I use the "places" menu, but not when I select "file browser" from system tools.
02:09<anfang>chealer: unless you want more than just the sound card, my lspci -v is on
02:10<chealer>anfang: yeah, more than the sound card please
02:10<jm_>hopefully it's not a case of speakers not plugged in or somesuch ;)
02:11<anfang>jm_: i hope so too -- we did check that
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02:13<jm_>anfang: sometimes those toggles determine where sound is sent to (i.e. headphones) or if digital vs. analog output is used for example
02:13<chealer>anfang: ah, thank you. you just made me realize I was working in a remote shell rather than a local one as I thought :)
02:13<anfang>chealer: :)
02:14<anfang>jm_: you're talking about "headphone jack sense" etc?
02:14<jm_>anfang: that one sounds like one of those yes
02:17<chealer>anfang: about how old is the PC?
02:18<anfang>chealer: bl00dy good question
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02:18<anfang>chealer: it hasn't been used for at least a year; my guess is too vague to be useful possibly: 3-6 years?
02:18<anfang>chealer: cpuinfo helpful?
02:19<robt>hi! I have a problem with my internet, when i enter to xchat, or to any browser, it takes a few seconds to connect to internet
02:19<chealer>anfang: it's OK, that gives me an idea.
02:19<Ouroboros>robt: bad DNS server?
02:20<robt>i don't know
02:20<Ouroboros>robt: try connecting by IP and compare
02:20<robt>because my internet is 1.5mb
02:20<robt>how can i do that?
02:20<Ouroboros>ping the name, get the IP, paste it in
02:20<jm_>sounds like one of those internets that fit on a floppy :)
02:21<anfang>lol @ jm_
02:21<Ouroboros>the internet in like 1990 probably did fit on a floppy
02:21<robt>how do I ping?
02:22<robt>sorry but this is knew to me
02:22<Ouroboros>ping <address>
02:22<chealer>anfang: what do you mean by "it's on the i810 chipset"? your mobo isn't actually based on Intel 810*, is it?
02:22<anfang>chealer: er... mobo?
02:22<chealer>anfang: ...motherboard
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02:23<robt>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
02:23<robt>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=18 5 ms
02:23<anfang>chealer: i have to confess to simply going for the alsa-project matrix like a pig for truffles
02:24<robt>it took like 5 seconds to have a response
02:24<jm_>robt: now run 'getent hosts' - how long does it take?
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02:25<robt>it took like 8 seconds
02:25<jm_>yeah your lookups are slow
02:25<robt>so the problem could be?
02:25<anfang>chealer: so i saw the output from lspci -v | grep audio, and matched it up to the matrix
02:26<jm_>check your name resolution settings - are you using your ISP's name servers?
02:26<robt>because if i enter with window$ i don't have problems, it's just with debian
02:26<anfang>chealer: does have a manual which includes 82801BA
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02:26<robt>how do i check that?
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02:28<jm_>robt: also run "nslookup" in windows and "host" in linux and compare the outputs
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02:29<robt>ahm another question while i'm checking that, which is the most complete ALSA installation?
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02:30<robt>in linux i received immediately response
02:30<robt>with this host
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02:31<jm_>robt: try a different host then, say ""
02:31<chealer>anfang: sorry, how do you match up to the matrix?
02:31<anfang>chealer: (not as user-friendly as it once was)
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02:31<anfang>chealer: get the soundcard details from lspci -v | grep snd
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02:32<anfang>chealer: then go to
02:33<anfang>chealer: go to Intel, and then as far as I can make out, trial and error till you find the chipset that has my card
02:33<jm_>well now your lookups are fast
02:33<anfang>chealer: if you know of a more efficient way, I'd love to hear it
02:33<robt>but i still have problems with my browser
02:33<jm_>what problems?
02:34<robt>it takes too long to open google
02:34<jm_>are you using a proxy?
02:34<anfang>robt: what browser?
02:34<robt>iceweasel and epiphany
02:34<robt>all the web pages take like 5 or more to open
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02:36<robt>even when i open xchat, i press connect and xchat waits like 5 seconds and starts to look for a host
02:37<robt>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
02:37<robt>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=211 ms
02:37<robt>maybe if i reboot my modem?
02:38<robt>because i was playing with an ip changer on windows to download with rapidshare
02:38<robt>and then installed debian on my laptop, and maybe the modem is working weird
02:38<chealer>anfang: ah, I think I see what you mean. but there are many Intel chipsets that use 82801. for example, Intel 915.
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02:39<jm_>is your modem also working as a router?
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02:39<robt>my modem provides me wire and wireless internet
02:40<robt>so i can use both on my laptop i have only one computer
02:40<anfang>chealer: orly... my soundcard's supported? or we don't know?
02:40<Ouroboros>man, still getting this "unknown keyword in syslinux.cfg"... no idea how to proceed
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02:41<robt>so when i change the ip by wire, affects the the mac and changes my wireless configuration
02:42<chealer>anfang: well, it looks like it would be, but I'm not quite sure. maybe you could ask ALSA people, or Google whether other people with the same sound chip can use ALSA.
02:43<anfang>chealer: ok. thanks. am i the only one who thinks sound should be a sh/tload easier? (despondent)
02:43<jm_>Ouroboros: why are you using syslinux?
02:43<Ouroboros>jm_: i have no idea, this is what i got after making a live-usb build
02:44<jm_>Ouroboros: ahh, what's in syslinux.cfg then?
02:44<Ouroboros>jm_: i see a lot of hits on google for this exact problem that i have, but zero solutions
02:44<Ouroboros>jm_: i can paste it if you want
02:44<jm_>Ouroboros: sure
02:44<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
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02:45<robt>!alsa install
02:45<dpkg>somebody said alsa one-liner was "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications.
02:45<Ouroboros>i am also getting this error (the main problem): "Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz"
02:45<dpkg>i heard alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
02:46<jm_>Ouroboros: there's a special channel #debian-live, it's worth asking there too
02:46<chealer>anfang: everything should be much easier
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02:47<Ouroboros> | this is my syslinux.cfg
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02:48<anfang>chealer: lol
02:48<anfang>robt: hm... ta
02:49<catkilla>how can i install ircd i did aptitude install hybrid-ircd and it said it was starting hybrid ircd but i can't connect
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02:49<jm_>Ouroboros: hmm perhaps F0 shall be F10?
02:49<jm_>catkilla: is it running?
02:50<Ouroboros>jm_: perhaps... this is the default config though
02:50<Ouroboros>jm_: i suspect my problem has somehting to do with devices or partitions or something
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02:51<Ouroboros>jm_: however, this is a raw image, so not much i can control obviously
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02:51<catkilla>it says irc is running a pid
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02:51<jm_>Ouroboros: well "Could not find kernel image" means it's not there - if you mount it, does it show up?
02:51<jm_>run as root: netstat -nap|grep irc
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02:52<Ouroboros>jm_: can i mount it at the boot prompt? i mounted it under win32 and it is definitely there
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02:52<jm_>Ouroboros: nope, not with syslinux
02:52<catkilla>it says listening on 6667 6665 etc
02:52<jm_>what happens when you connect to localhost on port 6667?
02:52<catkilla>i tried it says refused
02:53<catkilla>for every port
02:53<jm_>then it's not listening, show me netstat -nap output for those ports
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02:53<jm_>or it's firewalled
02:53<catkilla>i can paste it in here?
02:53<jm_>if it's one line only
02:53<catkilla>can i msg you
02:53<catkilla>its a few lines
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02:53<jm_>catkilla: ok, up to 3 lines only
02:53<catkilla>its port 6665 thru 6669ish
02:54<catkilla>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 4312/ircd-hybrid
02:54<catkilla>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 4312/ircd-hybrid
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02:54<catkilla>it says that up to 6669
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02:55<Ouroboros>jm_: i notice that syslinux.cfg doesnt specify drive device names, so what does / mean? is it perhaps looking on my other hard drive?
02:55<jm_>Ouroboros: it should mean the device it booted from
02:57<jm_>then check if you have some sort of firewall that's blocking connections to those ports
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02:57<Ouroboros>another thing: the wiki says i need to get cdebootstrap from backports and live-helper from lenny, but i got cdebootstrap from etch and live-helper from backports... can this be a problem?
02:58<catkilla>i had a different ircd installed on it too but i wanted to try hybrid
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02:58<catkilla>so i don't think its blocking them
02:58<jm_>or double verify that you're actually connecting to this host ;)
02:58<catkilla>its on my local network
02:58<catkilla>http works
02:58<jm_>Ouroboros: yes
02:58<Ouroboros>i guess i can try the other way real quick
02:58<avu>catkilla: it's listening on loopback so you should only be able to connect to it from the host running the ircd itself
02:59<jm_>well I did tell him to try to connect to localhost, but perhaps that resolves to something else - which would be bad
02:59<jm_>did you actually connect to "localhost" ?
03:00<catkilla>i just now tried
03:00<catkilla>it works
03:00<catkilla>how do i make it listen to outside
03:00<Ouroboros>use the external IP or ?
03:00<gsimmons>catkilla: Configure it as appopriate. See /usr/share/doc/ircd-hybrid/README.Debian
03:01<jm_>well doh :)
03:01<catkilla>i didn't know where to look for readme thanks
03:01<Ouroboros>what does "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" mean?
03:02<jm_>!dynamic mmap
03:02<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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03:07<Ouroboros>well, i can get a newer live-helper, but it doesnt look like there is cdebootstrap in backports:
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03:12<Supaplex>Ouroboros: maybe this,
03:12<Supaplex>!simple sid backport
03:12<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
03:13<Ouroboros>no, i think i know what the problem is
03:14<Ouroboros>found this thread: | my live-helper is too old
03:14<Ouroboros>gonna try with the one from lenny
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03:24<Ouroboros>apt source settings dont interact with the live system that you are building, do they?
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03:24<Ouroboros>i mean, it generates its own list when its fetchig packages
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03:24<jm_>hmm I don't remember
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03:24<Ouroboros>well, the new config looks totally different
03:24<Ouroboros>will try it in a little bit
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03:44<pwncore>There are two kinds of people: those who say there is no such thing as infinite recursion, and those who say "There are two kinds of people: those who say there is no such thing as infinite recursion, and those who say "There are two kinds of people: those who say there is no such thing as infinite recursion, and those who say ...
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03:44<elky>the nick closing is a PM spammer
03:44<OdyX>elky: it sucks
03:44<pwncore>you mean nickserv
03:45<pwncore>yeah i hate that bx shuts it out
03:45<pwncore>oh closing
03:45<elky>no, * Closing ( has joined #debian
03:45<pwncore>how strange
03:45<Ouroboros>never seen spam for an irc network before
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03:45<Ouroboros>live and learn i guess
03:46<pwncore>the sad part is that that irc network has to send out spambots to get users
03:46<slingbladeandfries>i'm thinkin bout havin some more of them taters.. umm hmm
03:46<pwncore>what about more slingblade?
03:46<Lynoure>Ouroboros: it has gotten way more common in the last week or so
03:47<Ouroboros>do you want fried with those taters?
03:49<slingbladeandfries>"I like them French fried potaters." "Reckon you make me some biscuits." "Coffee makes me nervous when I drink it. Mmm." "I was thinkin' I could use me another couple cans'o that potted meat if ya got any extree."
03:49<slingbladeandfries>I'm the developer of SlingbladeLinux
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03:52<pwncore>the only one?
03:53<slingbladeandfries>pwncore, I don't rightly know. I just kinda woke up a-holding it.
03:54<pwncore>you mean you just sort of woke up one day and there was a stone with a sword sticking out of it by the foot of your bed
03:54<pwncore>and richard m stallman was giving you words of encouragement peppered with insults?
03:54<slingbladeandfries>pwncore, I love stallman
03:54<Ouroboros>pwncore: +1 for you
03:55<Ouroboros>pwncore: you win the "funniest thing Ouroboros heard on IRC today" award
03:55<pwncore>now i can upgrade my CHA
03:55<pwncore>and put a point into "fast-talk the compiler"
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04:03<tsgri>hi there
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04:09<kharn|work>greetings one and all
04:09<kharn|work>hey pwncore ... did u end up solving that USB issue the other night?
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04:13<pwncore>kharn: oh yeah
04:13<pwncore>turned out it *was* the docking station
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04:14<pwncore>and i apparently had lost the key to it a long time ago, but i could remove the laptop from it if I turned it off first
04:14<pwncore>i've just put the thing away and i'm plugging straight in now
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04:14<pwncore>i feel like an idiot
04:14<kharn|work>meh .. it happens ...
04:14<pwncore>especially since i then went and plugged in a driver for hardware i didn't have and couldn't boot my kernel
04:15<kharn|work>I had some dsl sync issues the other nite, and after 5 minutes waiting on hold with my isp .. i noticed that i kicked my phone cable out ... :/
04:15<pwncore>and i couldn't get into #debian because i was on a system rescue cd that only gave me a root account, so i had to troubleshoot in spanish with the only guy awake in #debian-es
04:15<pwncore>that was an experience
04:15<pwncore>thankfully i'm a linguistics major and i just aced spanish 3, but he's from spain and they talk different enough over there that it was a challenge
04:16<kharn|work>wow ...
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04:16<kharn|work>impressive dude
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04:16<kharn|work>not only do you fix it .. but you fix it in translation :P
04:17<Ouroboros>wait, you could get into #debian-es but not #debian?
04:17<Ouroboros>how so
04:17<pwncore>#debian bans root@*
04:17<pwncore>i thought I was banned at first and freaked out
04:18<Ouroboros>thats just identd, you can change that
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04:18<pwncore>i was a bit frazzled at the time
04:19<pwncore>it was like 2 AM, i couldn't get to sleep and i had decided to boot into linux, only to find that I couldn't
04:19<pwncore>not that i was in windows or anything, i haven't booted it up since i installed debian and i don't expect to anytime soon
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04:20<Ouroboros>i still use win32 :/ but pretty much only as a terminal
04:20<Ouroboros>first thing i do when i log on is ssh into my debian server
04:20<GhostlyDeath>Ouroboros: heh
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04:21<GhostlyDeath>Win32 is going to die soon
04:21<pwncore>no way
04:21<Ouroboros>i think the only thing i have left on win is games
04:21<GhostlyDeath>Win64 will take it's place
04:21<pwncore>people aren't going to switch to vista unless and until it gets a lot more reliable
04:21<GhostlyDeath>Microsoft will figure out a way to get everyone to use amd64
04:21<Ouroboros>i think my next desktop will be debian and i will dual-boot for games or something
04:21<pwncore>i've heard server 2008 isn't too hot either.
04:21<pwncore>i have a copy but i haven't had the time or inclination to check it out though
04:21<GhostlyDeath>Vista is nice actually, there's just some quirks
04:22<pwncore>Ouroboros, i like the linux games
04:22<noble->I like vista mostly..
04:22<Ouroboros>pwncore: have to use vista if you want dx10
04:22<noble->I wouldn't use it if I didn't play games though
04:22<pwncore>most of the games i play in windows end up being ports from unices
04:22<Ouroboros>pwncore: not many big titles on linux yet though, but some
04:22<pwncore>Ouroboros, i thought dx10 came out a couple years ago
04:22<GhostlyDeath>The UAC is there to protect your computer from invasions from the forces of evil
04:22<Ouroboros>pwncore: yes, but never will be supported on XP, thats the way that MS forces you to buy vista
04:22<pwncore>Ouroboros, i don't much care about big titles
04:22<pwncore>i thought it was already available on xp
04:23<GhostlyDeath>"Halo 3"
04:23<Ouroboros>not that i am aware of, i think some sort of beta was, but not the final thing
04:23<GhostlyDeath>You gotta admit that MSVC++ is a nice IDE
04:23<pwncore>i like the look of vista, it's true
04:23<noble->will new games ever be supported in linux ya think
04:24<GhostlyDeath>Linux is gaining on the market
04:24<Ouroboros>within a few years i think they will be
04:24<pwncore>don't major releases come out on linux every once in a while
04:24<pwncore>pretty much at the same time
04:24<GhostlyDeath>Practically everyone uses Linux as a server
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04:24<noble->that warms my heart ;)
04:24<pwncore>GhostlyDeath, you'd be surprised how much penetration windows server 2003 stilll has
04:24<Ouroboros>not that much different for an OGL game, DX is a different story though
04:24<GhostlyDeath>pwncore: and 2000
04:24<pwncore>that too
04:24<pwncore>frankly, i don't know why more people don't use openbsd
04:25<Ouroboros>GhostlyDeath: msvc is OK, but its like 5 GB or something.. i never have the space for it
04:25<pwncore>for servers i mean
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04:25<GhostlyDeath>Ouroboros: yeah true
04:25<Ouroboros>anyway, i prefer to compile with gcc whenever possible
04:25<Ouroboros>even cygwin gcc if i have to, heh
04:25<pwncore>if i were a CEO, all of my servers and mission-critical boxen would be openbsd
04:26<pwncore>i have negative associations with mingw32
04:26<GhostlyDeath>I have the same but for cygwin
04:26<Ouroboros>pwncore: i used to use netbsd for servers, but i think i am going to use debian now
04:26<GhostlyDeath>that never worked in Win98
04:26<Ouroboros>pwncore: i just dont care to learn to keep 2 distors up to date
04:26<pwncore>i was part of an online community centered around a game creation system that moved from dos-only to dos+linux to linux-only when i didn't have linux and i was too scared to try it
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04:27<pwncore>so i had to tweak the makefiles little by little to compile in mingw
04:27<pwncore>i'm not sure i ever got it working, optimally at least
04:27<Ouroboros>isnt cygwin and mingw32 the same thing?
04:27<pwncore>Ouroboros, yeah, but openbsd has had all of two security holes in the default install in, what, 15 years now?
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04:27<Ouroboros>oh, i should look into that then
04:27<GhostlyDeath>cygwin is fake UNIX while mingw32 goes for API
04:27<pwncore>the exact numbers are on
04:27<Ouroboros>pwncore: very true, also the obscurity factor helps
04:28<pwncore>the point is that openbsd is so much more secure than every OS ever made that it's not even funny
04:28<Ouroboros>pwncore: thats why i am gonna run my next server on haiku, lol
04:28<GhostlyDeath>Secure is a joke
04:28<pwncore>well i think openbsd sits on a nice point in the line between obscurity and the RMS ideal
04:28<noble->anyone know what OS the astronauts use?
04:28<GhostlyDeath>Windows 95
04:28<noble->I mean I'm sure it's a private one but surely it's based on unix or something
04:28<slingbladeandfries>noble-, they are so HiGh, does it matter?
04:29<noble->can't imagine a blue screen of death in space
04:29<pwncore>i bet they're on OS/2
04:29<Ouroboros>its probably something coded entirely in asm, like they do for planes
04:29<pwncore>that would be hardcore
04:29<GhostlyDeath>The ground control people used Windows or OS/2
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04:29<pwncore>i was a diehard OS/2 advocate back in the day
04:29<noble->w o w
04:29<Ouroboros>doesnt the ISS use SPARC chips?
04:29<pwncore>the day ibm officially discontinued it was the saddest day of my life
04:29<GhostlyDeath>Think so
04:29<pwncore>i was gonna say, i bet whatever it is is on a SPARC
04:29<noble->what about in the late 60s, 70s?
04:30<noble->anyone know for sure?
04:30<GhostlyDeath>IBM 50Hz
04:30<pwncore>huh? like 1998
04:30<GhostlyDeath>They still used vacuum tubes =P
04:30<pwncore>os/2 warp 4 came out in 1996
04:30<Ouroboros>yeah they use hardened SPARC from gaisler
04:31<pwncore>anyway i loved the hell out of that os man
04:31<GhostlyDeath>Windows 98 SE was nice
04:31<pwncore>actually no i think it was officially over in like 02 or something
04:31<Ouroboros>,%20The%20Past%20Present%20and%20Future.pdf | presentation on gaisler sparcs
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04:32<pwncore>but up until win32, os/2 ran every dos and windows app better than dos and windows did
04:32<pwncore>i still believe hpfs can give ntfs a run for its money, and os/2 was on that when windows end-users were still choking on fat16
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04:33<GhostlyDeath>heh they use GTK
04:34<GhostlyDeath>ntfs is basically hpfs
04:34<pwncore>well exactly
04:35<noble->it's a shame there isn't an emulator of some sorts that allows running "new" games in linux
04:35<pwncore>back in 1995 i was basically running 16-bit windows XP
04:35<pwncore>noble-, umm try wine
04:35<noble->I don't think wine could handle games like WOW and battlefield 2, maybe I'm wrong. I am a noob after all
04:35<GhostlyDeath>WINE Is Not an Emulator
04:36<cmyers>hmm... I have only recently discovered the joy of fluxbox, but the integration with the debian menu seems to be kinda kludgy. I can't find a doc which explains how to get the debian menu in fluxbox (and the few docs I have found seem to be dated or inaccurate). Anyone have experience with that?
04:36<pwncore>i dunno, but it broke my heart to see how badly wm handles the debian menu these days
04:36<pwncore>for someone with assloads of packages installed like me, anyway
04:37<Ouroboros>noble-: vmware might help
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04:37<jm_>noble-: wine can do WOW just fine
04:37<kapil>cmyers: try deskmenu instead.
04:37<cmyers>noble-: if you want to run modern games on Linux, you should investigate Transgaming's Cedega. It is not free, but in my experience it works very well (I rand world of warcraft on linux for over a year)
04:38<noble->oh wow
04:38<avtobiff>wow works with wine
04:38<avtobiff>and wine is free
04:38<noble->that's good good news
04:38<noble->thanks guys
04:38<cmyers>wow works better (on my hardware) in cedega, and I am glad to pay them 5$ a month to improve gaming on linux. But yeh, many use wow in wine.
04:38<pwncore>i'm gradually coming to the opinion that any game not available in source is not worth playing
04:38<avtobiff>pwncore, :-)
04:39<pwncore>the only exception I make to this is for SNES games
04:39<pwncore>but only for sentimental reasons
04:39<Ouroboros>pwncore: id games becomes available as source a few years after release
04:39<noble->NES for me
04:39<pwncore>it's actually a rather subconscious process
04:39<cmyers>anyways, noble-:, what cedega gets you is the ability to run games in directx mode, rather than opengl mode. Cedega is like a wrapper around openGL for the directX APIs (and other proprietary patches on wine)
04:39<pwncore>i just gradually found myself spending all of my gaming time in nethack and bzflag
04:40<pwncore>and i went, "wtf, why am i using windows?"
04:40<cmyers>I quit wow for other reasons, but I'm a console gamer now myself =)
04:40<pwncore>Ouroboros, i've always adored id for that
04:40<noble->well the only reason I keep Vista on this pc is for my wife.. She occasionally plays WoW and sims
04:40<pwncore>i'm sure the sims works in wine, doesn't it?
04:40<noble->If it weren't for games like that, I'd completely get rid of vista
04:40<noble->I prefer linux even for desktops
04:41<Ouroboros>does wow use ogl?
04:41<noble->although I do use it mostly for servers
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04:41<Ouroboros>and more importantly, how do you ocasionally play wow...
04:42<pwncore>i've known people who occasionally did heroin, i'm sure it's much the same principle
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04:43<cmyers>Ouroboros: wow has both openGL and directX modes, but I've found DX mode (even on linux via cedega) is more stable than OGL mode
04:43<kharn|work>eeek ... I possibly just had *THE* dumbest support call ever ....
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04:43<cmyers>i.e. - wow's opengl mode is buggy.
04:43<cmyers>I haven't played the game in over a year, so that may no longer be the cvase.
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04:44<pwncore>kharn|work, btw what time is it over there in oz
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04:44<kharn|work>why wont the the install cd work on my mac,
04:44<kharn|work>coz its for windows
04:44<noble->I played WoW for awhile but like anything it got boring
04:44<noble->once I got high level and bored of pvp
04:44<pwncore>kharn|work, oh man
04:44<kharn|work>and you dont need it coz ur connected to your modem via ethernet
04:44<Ouroboros>cmyers: interesting, considering they are just layers for the same thing on win
04:44<noble->looking forward to Age of Conan though ;)
04:44<cmyers>noble-: clearly, you never embraced raiding. and you should thank your lucky stars for that.
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04:45<kharn|work>pwncore, 1845
04:45<noble->cmyers, I don't have enough time or patience for raiding ;)
04:45<noble->I mostly only play with close friends
04:45<pwncore>ah ok, it's 0245 here in san diego
04:45<kharn|work>ok its probably not *the* dumbest .. I have had worse .. but meh .. it was the worst today
04:45<Ouroboros>kharn|work: thats nothing, one time a support caller asked me how to tell what application they were using
04:45<Ouroboros>kharn|work: when i told them to look at help->about, they told me to stop patronizing them...
04:46<pwncore>probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard was from a sweet 87-year-old lady i worked with at the election
04:46<pwncore>the topic of powerpoint came up
04:46<noble->I love that old fake tech support call where the guy is asking what he should do when his mouse runs off the mousepad and he wants to scroll over further
04:46<pwncore>and she said "i've seen those presentation-slides! that's not computer!"
04:46<noble->atleast.. I hope it was fake
04:46<Ouroboros>noble-: lol
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04:46<pwncore>she actually believed that the very concept of a presentation was antithetical to the platonic ideal of a computer's tasks
04:47<kharn|work>my all time best was the guy who, everytime I tried to troubleshoot something, he had a reason .. eg: i need you to isolate your line ... "no no, i have a technician out twice a week to test my line" ... and his best comment "I have been on the internet since 1960 boy" ... zomg
04:47<kharn|work>yeh .. i was going to question him about arpanet ... but thought i'd best leave it
04:47<Ouroboros>kharn|work: you should have tried some BOFH techniques on that guy
04:48<noble->I remember back when I was on Tcon (bbs system) and the internet came out.. None of us even realized we had to dialin a different number to actually connect to the net.
04:48<Ouroboros>kharn|work: the toaster service call comes to mind
04:48<noble->it was hilarious
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04:48<pwncore>noble-, so you got 65355 "were is interwebs?!?" posts on your bbs that day
04:48<weasel>"Sir, say. Do you have a child in the house?"
04:49<noble->we all signed up for it, paid the extra money and couldn't even figure out how to use it for a bit
04:49<noble->lol yeah
04:49<Ouroboros>noble-: did you have that church game on your BBS?
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04:49<kharn|work>man - I miss my BBS ...
04:49<noble->started accessing gopher sites with helpdocs.. "is this the internet? doesn't seem that different"
04:50<kharn|work>i still have it backed up on a *wait for it* ... 40 mb HD ...
04:50<noble->hmm don't remember a church game but we probably did
04:50<pwncore>kharn|work, no way!
04:50<noble->I played the dragon game some
04:50<Ouroboros>there was this awesome game where you had to open a church and get converts
04:50<kharn|work>legend of the red dragon
04:50<noble->that's it
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04:50<kharn|work>yeh ... i *may* have played that a little :P
04:50<pwncore>kharn|work, i bet it dances across the room when you try to pull a file off of it
04:50<Ouroboros>the bbs i was on made you post before you could play though :/
04:50<noble->boring by today's standards to say the least..
04:50<vanitha>anyone can help on how to work with debine?
04:50<kharn|work>Ouroboros, the church game ... i know it
04:50<kharn|work>cant think of it
04:50<cmyers>this wiki contains directions to generate a menu:
04:50<cmyers>but it seems to be dated
04:51<kharn|work>vanitha, just ask :)
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04:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
04:51<cmyers>that gz doesn't exist in my fluxbox package =(
04:51<noble->always wanted to do that ;)
04:51<Ouroboros>vanitha: this is a win/support/bbs channel right now, sorry
04:51<vanitha>how to work with it?
04:51<noble->Ouroboros: hahahaha nice
04:51<kharn|work>vanitha, what do you mean "work with it" ?
04:52<vanitha>im a fresher i wanna know about it
04:52<kharn|work>vanitha, do you have a particular issue?
04:52<pwncore>i found a video you may find helpful
04:52<noble->I'll confesss, I love dpkg... the bot
04:52<noble->very handy
04:52<noble->and avoids a lot of awkwardness
04:52<pwncore>noble-, but it's a love that could never be
04:52<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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04:52<pwncore>speaking of awkwardness, what are you gonna do when the bot wants to see you naked?
04:52<jm_>vanitha: ^^^^^^
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04:52<noble->easy, I'll send him a pic of my cat
04:53<vanitha>installing debin os in networks
04:53<pwncore>in all serious, vanitha, yeah, check out the install guide and if you have any specific questions ask us
04:53<kharn|work>. /dcc send dpkg kharnnaked.jpg
04:53<pwncore>noble-, dpkg is quite intelligent. "he" can tell the difference
04:53<pwncore>and don't try passing off kharn as yourself either, cause he gets angry
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04:53<noble->damn, I'm screwed then. guess I'll have to submit and take a pic
04:53<kharn|work>and he already has a wall full of my pictures ...
04:54<pwncore>i'm just sayin, you gotta be prepared for these hypotheticals
04:54<pwncore>when you go around declaring your love to robots
04:54<noble->I'll send him a pic of a pot plant, how's that
04:54<pwncore>that's pretty hot
04:54<kharn|work>vanitha, so you haven't installed yet?
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04:54<Maulkin>Back on topic please, thanks.
04:55<pwncore>sorry, time's fun when you're having flies
04:55<kharn|work>pwncore, so your in Cali huh?
04:56<kharn|work>that is where San Diego is right?
04:56<noble->4:56am here
04:56<cmyers>I *am* running unstable...maybe apt-get update/upgrade will fix it *finger cross*
04:56<cmyers>noble-: sorry to hear that.
04:56<noble->me too
04:56*cmyers wasn't kidding. at all.
04:56<pwncore>kharn: yep
04:57<kharn|work>i have no idea where indiana is ...
04:57<Ouroboros>pwncore: SF/BA here
04:57<pwncore>ah nice
04:57*kharn|work googles
04:57<pwncore>i may be heading up there this fall actually
04:57<pwncore>kharn: next to chicago
04:57*cmyers went to Purdue University in Indiana, but now has fully recovered and lives happily in Seattle
04:57<noble->planning a move in the next couple years myself, British Columbia sounds nice
04:57<pwncore>they have amazing chronic up there
04:57<noble->you know it
04:57<Ouroboros>pwncore: nah, you gotta go up to humboldt for that
04:57<kharn|work>oh wow, it's actually a state :P ...
04:57<pwncore>you mean down to humboldt
04:58<kharn|work>brb call coming in
04:58<pwncore>from vancouver, i mean
04:58<Ouroboros>depends where you start i guess
04:58<pwncore>but dude, lemme tell ya
04:58<noble->kharn|work tell them to RTFM and call back
04:58<Ouroboros>and what you consider to be up on a sphere..
04:59<pwncore>noble- where are you now
04:59<pwncore>if youd on't mind me asking
04:59<noble->in the stix, near indianapolis
04:59<noble->but way outside the city
05:00<pwncore>oh right you're the indiana one
05:00<pwncore>short-term memory loss, you know
05:01<noble->yes I do
05:01<noble->what were we talking about?
05:01<pwncore>aesop's fables, i believe
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05:23<cmyers>hmm, any pointers to how to grab an experimental package which hasn't made it into unstable yet, if I am running unstable?
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05:23<pwncore>grab the tarball and dh_make it?
05:24<schoinobates>Add experimental to your /etc/apt/sources.list
05:24<schoinobates>(it won't start installing experimental packages automoatically
05:24<schoinobates>they are automatically put on lower priority than unstable packages)
05:24<cmyers>schoinobates: so then I can use some apt command to override just that package? sweet.
05:24<schoinobates>then use your favourite apt front-end:
05:25<schoinobates>apt-get install foo/experimental
05:25<schoinobates>or in the aptitude package list, go to the package, type enter,
05:25<schoinobates>go to the bottom
05:25<schoinobates>there is the list of available versions, pick the one you want.
05:25<cmyers>thanks schoinobates =)
05:27<OdyX>cmyers: you should use aptitude anyway.
05:28<schoinobates>cmyers, just a last thing: the experimental lower priority than unstable is the *default* thing. If you have a rule in /etc/apt/preferences that contradicts that, it will override it naturally.
05:28<schoinobates>(I say that because you might have a last-resort catch-all rule in there
05:28<schoinobates>that would match the packages in experimental...)
05:28<schoinobates>you can check the status of things with "apt-cache policy"
05:30<cmyers>sadly, I misunderstood and there is no newer fluxbox package, and the bug describing the behavior I am seeing is closed as "resolved". =(
05:31<OdyX>cmyers: bug # ?
05:31<schoinobates>If the package has been uploaded to unstable less than 24h ago, it might be in the "incoming queue". It will go to unstable within a day.
05:31<OdyX>cmyers: it can be resolved but the package is still in NEW or something like that. Point us to bug #
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05:31<cmyers>OdyX, lemme dig it up for ya - thanks for the help =)
05:32<schoinobates>Or it has been uploaded for a different architecture than yours, and the buildd has not caught up yet (although unless you are on sparc/arm/..., they are usually pretty fast).
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05:33<cmyers>I'm not sure it is that exact issue
05:34<cmyers>for example, it suggests running "update-menus" manually corrects the situation, but that doesn't help me.
05:34<schoinobates>That bug is not closed.
05:34<cmyers>there was another bug also relating to the menu I saw which might be closer
05:34<OdyX>cmyers: not closed...
05:34<cmyers>oh, whoops
05:35<cmyers>Clearly I fail at using this bug tracking system, I was looking at what I thought was "all open bugs for fluxbox" but I didn't see it in that list earlier...
05:35<schoinobates>Besides, it is a bug on *menu*, not on *fluxbox*.
05:35<schoinobates>But this bug may have effects on fluxbox.
05:35<cmyers>yeh, I see that now.
05:35<cmyers>lemme find the fluxbox one
05:38<schoinobates>sortadi, although you encounter a problem with fluxbox, the origin of the bug is menu, and you'll need a version of menu that is fixed. (but it is not uploaded to unstable yet)
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05:42<cmyers>wow, I figured it out
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05:42<cmyers>OdyX: the bug concerning it is 293755
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05:42<cmyers>in the body of the bug it suggests to add a line to ~/.fluxbox/menu
05:43<cmyers>the bug is marked as fixed in 1.0 rc3-2
05:43<cmyers>the version I ahve installed is 1.0.0+deb1-5
05:43<cmyers>I can't tell if that is newer or not.
05:43<schoinobates>Yes, that's newer.
05:44<cmyers>ok, so that explains it.
05:44<cmyers>erm, you mean *my* version is newer, and that's a problem =(
05:44<schoinobates>Look at the version graph near the upper right corner.
05:44<schoinobates>I mean your version is newer.
05:44<cmyers>oh, that's nifty.
05:44<cmyers>Sorry, I must be pretty unobservant tonight =(
05:45<schoinobates>(green = the bug is corrected in that version; click on the graph for a more detailed view)
05:45<cmyers>so I would assert that at least one problem pointed out in the bug is not fixed, since I had to add that line manually, and no documentation *anywhere* else I looked (and I looked in lots of places) suggested trying that.
05:46<schoinobates>Then reopen that bug, or file a new one. We now get into things specific to fluxbox, best discussed with the maintainer of the package, he knows his package next.
05:46<schoinobates>We recommend the use of "reportbug" to report bugs.
05:47<schoinobates>(he knows his package *b*est)
05:47<cmyers>schoinobates : I will do that to help others sure to run into this issue. Thank you for your patience with me as I learn the debian bugtracking system.
05:49<pwncore>peace y'all
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05:56<kharn|work>nite all
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06:09<voraistos>I have a problem with icewsl
06:09<voraistos>i changed font dpi for gnome
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06:13<voraistos>anyone around ?
06:14<voraistos>so i changed dpi to 75 in gnome
06:14<voraistos>and now the firefox interface looks like shit
06:14<voraistos>it renders as usual
06:14<voraistos>but the interface of iceweasel just isnt right
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06:17<Torsten_W>voraistos: which resolution u use?
06:17<voraistos>or you mean fonts ?
06:17<Torsten_W>voraistos: for 1280x800 75 dpi are wrong
06:18<voraistos>hmm why ?
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06:18<Torsten_W>voraistos: use google, how to calculate the right dpi
06:18<voraistos>how do i know what is right and get smaller fonts ?
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06:18<voraistos>that doesnt explain why the ret of gnome looks fine though
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06:19<skanarchy>hello all
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06:21<skanarchy>someone knows a repository to find wx-python 2.8 packages ? thanks
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06:23<GhostlyDeath>deb DIST-wx main
06:24<GhostlyDeath>skanarchy: deb etch-wx main
06:24<skanarchy>oh thanks i'll test it :)
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06:24<GhostlyDeath>Dont know if they have 2.8 though
06:24<GhostlyDeath>that's whta the wxWisget site says
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06:44<skanarchy>GhostlyDeath, thanks u a lot
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06:45<GhostlyDeath>skanarchy: you can keep 2.6
06:46<GhostlyDeath>when compiling, just do "wx-config --version=2.6"
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07:31<victor>How can I close the iceweasel process which is not responding?
07:31<jm_>kill it
07:32<victor>how can i find the pid?
07:32<jm_>ps, or use tools like htop
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07:33<victor>ps doesn't show there is a process named iceweasel.
07:33<victor>or firefox.
07:35<jm_>/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin or so
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07:38<victor>jm, thank you. I have found it with htop.
07:40<victor>by the way, i connect to the internet via a router which uses NAT, and I cant get my amule to work. Could anyone help?
07:40<jm_>you can also kill it there
07:40<victor>jm, yeah, I have done that. Thank you.
07:41<victor>emule on windows seemed not to have that problem.
07:42<jm_>do others need to connect to you?
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07:44<victor>jm_, no. I moved from windows several months ago, before that I used emule.
07:44<JustSoul>When I insert usb-flash into computer KDE (3.5.5) say what to do. When I press open it give error with smth with policy
07:44<jm_>victor: well what exactly is the problem then?
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07:45<victor>it just can't connect to any server.
07:45<victor>no ed2k, no kad.
07:45<jm_>victor: is router running linux?
07:45<victor>jm_, I am not sure about that.
07:46<jm_>victor: did you try using nc or telnet with the same host/port?
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07:47<victor>jm_, i have no idea what nc or telnet is.
07:47<avtobiff>nc is netcat, telnet is remote login
07:47<avtobiff>telnet is also unencrypted so dont use it for remote login.
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07:48<jm_>victor: well try to connect and look at "netstat -nap" line for mule
07:48<avtobiff>victor, you can use both nc and telnet for sending raw data to a server
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07:49<victor>jm_, you mean I should look into the configuration of the router?
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07:50<jm_>victor: no, do this on your Linux system
07:52<victor>jm_, I don't quite understand what you mean "connect", every time i start the computer, it is automatically connected.
07:52<Slydder>hey all. am trying to force my logs to rotate and it just ain't working. can somebody help me out here?
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07:52<JustSoul>When I insert usb-flash into computer KDE (3.5.5) say what to do. When I press open it give error with smth with policy. How to config to automount it with some options and w/o any policy errors
07:52<jm_>victor: start emule and let it connect to wherver it's trying to
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07:53<jm_>Slydder: it's handled via cron jobs, look in /etc/cron*
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07:53<Slydder>jm_: execution of /etc/cron.daily/logrotate does NOTHING
07:53<Slydder>syslog is still at previous state and not rotated
07:54<jm_>Slydder: syslog is not rotated by logrotate ...
07:54<victor>jm_, ok, it says no valid server list.
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07:54<Slydder>lol. no wonder
07:54<jm_>victor: well then
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07:54<jm_>Slydder: see /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd - that's why I said /etc/cron* - it's in several files
07:55<Slydder>what rotates syslog then the sysklogd?
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07:58<victor>jm_, then what please?
07:59<victor>jm_, I have looked at netstat.
07:59<victor>jm_, 012/amule
07:59<victor>udp 0 0* 7
08:00<victor>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 7012/amule
08:00<jm_>victor: is that all?
08:00<victor>jm_, no, wait.
08:00<victor>udp 0 0* 7012/amule
08:01<victor>udp 0 0* 7012/amule
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08:01<jm_>victor: stop pasting here - use some paste site
08:01<victor>jm_, that's all for amule.
08:02<jm_>victor: well there are no connections to any servers ...
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08:03<victor>jm_, so what can be done about it?
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08:04<jm_>victor: I am not familiar with it, but perhaps you have to enter some servers somewhere
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08:14<victor>does every computer on the web has a static ip?
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08:15<koollman>victor: no
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08:21<shailu>how do i install debian in my pendrive
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08:22<jm_>try debian-live for that
08:22<jm_>but regular d-i works fine too
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08:22<bma>shailu, maybe?
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08:23<shailu>thank u "bma" but it didnt work for me
08:25<AbsintheSyringe>let's say I upgraded ktorrent to its latest version and I don't like it, how do I downgrade back to version I had, but including that's no more on the net, can I do this somehow over apt-get or aptitude?
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08:25<dpkg>hmm... sdn is go to to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
08:26<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, awesome, tnx
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08:27<Kokon>hi, have someone expirience with -> libnss-extrausers
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08:28<Kokon>i have stored over nfs the files passwd, shadow, group in /var/lib/extrausers
08:29<Ashok>hi to all
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08:31<Ashok>i expertise on redhat , but now i am using debian , iwant to know whether the configuration file /etc/sysconfig is available or not
08:31<Ashok>please elp me
08:31<Ashok>please help me
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08:32<avtobiff>Ashok, no /etc/sysconfig is not available under debian
08:32<avtobiff>Ashok, what does it do?
08:33<Kokon>maybe like? /etc/default ?
08:33<Ashok>it is used for system wide configuration utility path
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08:36<Ashok>hi avtobiff , it has clock file, user gui configuration files
08:36<avtobiff>clock file?
08:36<Ashok>u know hwclock
08:36<Ashok>it is stored in that
08:37<Kokon>Ashok: maybe /etc/sysconfig -> /etc/default what ur searching...
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08:38<Ashok>ok kokon i check it now
08:39<Kokon>Ashok what do u need in /etc/sysconfig ?
08:40<Ashok>i want to know configuration file for clock
08:42<Ashok>kokan i checked /etc/default file , it is look like /etc/sysconfig file in redhat
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08:43<Ashok>thank u kokon
08:44<Ashok>yeah, kokon i want to check another file too, that is, /etc/pam.d/system-auth is not available in debian
08:45<Kokon>i don'T have used pam, but is it installed?
08:45<Kokon>should be the same path...
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08:48<aurel42>Howdy, can someone tell me what role /etc/environment plays when setting the system-wide locale? Should "dpkg-reconfigure locales" set LANG in /etc/environment, are LANG settings in /etc/environment deprecated, or something like that?
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08:48<Ashok>hi kokon
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08:48<jm_>aurel42: they are I think
08:49<aurel42>jm_: deprecated?
08:49<cledith>hello. can someone tell me how to switch the default python version from python2.4 to python2.5 on a debian lenny system?
08:49<jm_>aurel42: there's another file
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08:50<aurel42>jm_: excellent, thanks. Then rm /etc/environment is probably the solution to my problem. :)
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08:50<jm_>aurel42: try looking at locales config script
08:50<Ashok>i found that /etc/pam.d/system-auth file is missing in debian ,but it is available in redhat
08:50<Kokon>Ashok: /etc/pam/common-auth
08:50<cledith>at least I think thats what my problem causes
08:50<Kokon>maybe this si the file u need...
08:50<Ashok>ok kokon i chack
08:50<Kokon>dont know pam, and the modules..
08:50<gsimmons>Ashok: (re PAM) You'd want to use /etc/pam.d/common-auth and /etc/pam.d/common-password instead (eg. to disable use of null passwords).
08:51<Ashok>ok kokon
08:51<Ashok>yes kokon it is , thank u very much
08:51<Kokon>pls :)
08:52<Ashok>r u working
08:52<jm_>aurel42: hmm it still mentiones /etc/environment in lenny, but also /etc/default/locale
08:52<Ashok>kokon : r u working or studying
08:53<Kokon>Ashok: working.
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08:53<Ashok>kokon : ok i am too, system admin
08:54<Ashok>kokon : just now i finished my studies and got job
08:54<Kokon>Ashok: i'am as programmer, and a little bit sysadmin...
08:54<Ashok>kokon : u
08:54<aurel42>jm_: /etc/default/locale is updated by dpkg-reconfigure, /etc/environment is not. Easy choice. :)
08:54<Ashok>kokon : ok u know kernel side too
08:54<aurel42>jm_: Thanks a lot for your help.
08:55<Kokon>Ashok: no not real...
08:56<Ashok>kokon : ok i want to know so many thins form u
08:56<Ashok>kokon : ok i want to know so many things form u
08:57<Kokon>Ashok: and what?
08:59<Ashok>kokon : see in redhat, i use pam_wheel for wheel groups , but in debian we have admin user. then , how can we do
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09:00<Kokon>ashok, t don't know pam. But i know someone who can help u - so i think :)
09:00<Ashok>kokon : ok kokon
09:01<Ashok>kokon : do u know how to use wtmp
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09:02<Kokon>Ashok: no. I just have expirince with other things.
09:04<Ashok>kokon : ok kokon thank u lot.
09:04<Kokon>ashok do u have an instant messanger? I know some ppl :)
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09:07<Ashok>sorry i don't have , u can have my mail id
09:08<Ashok>kokon : sorry i don't have , u can have my mail id
09:08<Kokon>k :)
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09:08<Ashok>may i know ur mail id
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09:11<dpkg>one warez list being sent to giuseppe
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09:13<Erasmus_>fresh 4.0r3 install on ppc arch: aptitude reports (for many installed packages), "WARNING: This version of package-xyz is from an untrusted source! Installing this package could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of your system."
09:13<Erasmus_>Should I ignore this?
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09:14<Erasmus_>this was all installed by default.
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09:16<Erasmus_>and conflicting packages were installed: "bcron-run" conflicts with "cron"
09:16<jm_>Erasmus_: do you have debian-archive-keyring installed? where are packages coming from?
09:16<k-man_>is there a way to mount a samba share from the gnome desktop?
09:17<Erasmus_>I just did a simple desktop install...
09:17<Erasmus_>accepted all the defaults...
09:17<aurel42>Erasmus_: look for packages marked with a capital U (untrusted), make sure they're coming from a reliable source, look for packages containing "keyring" that could verify those packages and install the keyring.
09:17<aurel42>That's kinda weird. With a default install with no extra package sources you shouldn't see that message.
09:17<Erasmus_>thanks for the suggestions on the keyring... I'll look into those... but how did i end up with a host of conflicting packages getting installed?
09:18<Erasmus_>i take that back... i installed all the "junior-" metapackages. but that's all...
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09:19<aurel42>Erasmus_: aptitude usually does a good job on its own figuring out the conflicts.
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09:20<Erasmus_>i've only used aptitude.
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09:20<Erasmus_>fresh default install, then i used aptitude to install about 15 junior- metapackages. i know that installed many new packages, but i don't understand how i ended up with package conflicts...
09:20<icwiener>Hi. Is it meant to be possible to have kcontrol available even in KDE 4.0.1 to configure global stuff like proxy or components for kde3 apps?
09:22<aurel42>Erasmus_: try updating your package list (press "u"), tell aptitude to update all packages (press "U"), then "g" to try to apply the changes... let aptitude do its job and keep your fingers crossed. :)
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09:45<ilpompa>ciao a tutti
09:46<ilpompa>uso ubuntu e vorrei creare un canale di scambio per me e degli amici, come posso fare??
09:46<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
09:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:51<voraistos>ilpompa: if i understood well, you want to create an apt repository
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09:51<kurumin>como entro nu canal
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09:52<witte>kurumin: /join #channel?
09:52<voraistos>you type /join #canal
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09:54<nightfever>i was trying to install a newer version of pygtk from source, it asked me for GLIB>=2.8.0, installed a newer version of that too
09:54<nightfever>and now
09:54<nightfever>it gives me an error
09:54<nightfever>checking for GLIB - version >= 2.8.0...
09:54<nightfever>*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.14.0, but GLIB (2.12.4)
09:54<nightfever>*** was found!
09:54<nightfever>If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
09:54<nightfever>*** to remove the old version of GLib.
09:56<avtobiff>nightfever, why did you not use the packages?
09:57<avtobiff>nightfever, dpkg/apt etc?
09:57<avtobiff>now you probably have a broken system.
09:57<nightfever>well i was trying to install a newer version of deluge, cause the version in repo is outdated
09:58<avtobiff>ok. it is difficult business to mix packages from repos and source...
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09:59<nightfever>no. i've downloaded deluge source from its website, then i was trying to install the requirements
09:59<nightfever>which also weren't in the repo
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10:00<bkw>are usb cdroms(dvd drives) supported by default debian 2.6.18 kernel?
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10:09<witte>bkw: not sure but i think they are
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10:09<witte>bkw: do you want to boot from them during install, or just use them?
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10:10<hmr>ping me pls
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10:12<hmr>how to connect tu undernet server guys pls?
10:12<avtobiff>/connect undernetserver
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10:13<hmr>its not working
10:13<bkw>witte: both would of course be good. atm the system is installed from usb
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10:14<witte>bkw: i ask because if you want to boot from usb, your bios/motherbord needs to support that
10:15<witte>bkw: booting from cdrom could therefore be less trivial, using usb cdrom during normal operation should be trivial
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10:17<Kebianizao|work>why groff depends on x11-common?
10:17<witte>yoram: you are already at #debian
10:18<Kebianizao|work>(on etch)
10:19<Kebianizao|work>this is, why groff depends on X packages?
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10:26<jkoenig>for the gxditview command ?
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10:29<Kebianizao|work>I think it shouldn't rely on X packages, maybe that binary should be splitted from the groff package
10:29<Kebianizao|work>imagine that you are on an server, where you don't want X at all (this is my case)
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10:29<Kebianizao|work>you will be spending some valuable disk space on that
10:30<witte>Kebianizao|work: you could file a bug report if you think it is necessary
10:30<Kebianizao|work>witte: I will, just wanted to make sure I'm not very misleaded ;)
10:30<witte>Kebianizao|work: severity wishlist maybe?
10:30<jkoenig>Kebianizao|work: you may want to install groff-base only
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10:31<witte>Kebianizao|work: well, i never used groff, so i have no clue if it should or should not rely on x11-common, but if you feel that it shouldn't, the bts is probably the best place to report it
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10:32<Kebianizao|work>thanks :)
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10:32<bkw>witte: I don't think booting usb is a problem. For me it is more a question if such usb cdroms are support by stable linux kernels by plug and play.
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10:33<witte>bkw: those usb things are just like external hard drives, and they work...
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10:38<bkw>witte: but is a cdrom a usb mass storage device? :/
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10:39<witte>bkw: i don't know if that is considered a mass storage device, or just an ata disk (I am not sure how that works).
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10:40<witte>i am don't know which drivers are used for external ide hard disks, but the driver should be the same for an external ide cdrom and you should even be able to replace them
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10:41<witte>and i mean replacing the two devices physically
10:41<spq>anyone using dnsmasq? i want to disable one option for a mac address range - clients with 00:ff:* should not get a default gateway
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10:45<jthomas>Any idea whay Apache2 would restart after a lot of users logged onto an apache-based time-tracking program? Every day, employees start at 6am, and at 645 or so Apache2 restarts. When they log out at 3pm, Apache2 restarts about 3:40 or so....
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10:53<molnitza>Hello. How can I switch the gcc version?
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10:55<robt>hello! i would like to know which are the steps to configure my wireless board on my laptop, because I already installed it, but I used many HOW TO that now I don't know which of all the things i did was the correct one
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10:55<robt>i have a broadcom 802.11 b/g
10:55<molnitza>Because my kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1 and the current on my system is 4.2 and now I have many problems with with compiling.
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10:56<dpkg>i guess broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43>
10:56<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported.
10:57<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported.
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10:58<@Ganneff>robt: stop it
10:58<robt>sorry, i'm trying to look info about my board because on google i only find useless info
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11:03<jthomas>robt: the !something tool is there for a reason, use it
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11:07<dpkg>wifi is, like, a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah.
11:08<dreamedge>haha, so true
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11:27<ghost>hello all. i asked yesterday but nobody was able to help. perhaps today?? i would like to bind syslogd to an interface. man pages and google make no mention of this. anyone know if this is possible?
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11:28<Supaplex>bind in what way? to listen? for transmission only off a specific if/ip?
11:28<Supaplex>ghost: /etc/default/syslogd might be what you're after
11:28<ghost>Suaplex: transmission. multiple interfaces and it seems logs are being sent to the log server on either of them
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11:31<Supaplex>I think iptables can 'workaround' that.
11:31<kets>hi, can anybody help me? how can i disable SMP while compiling the kernel? IÃ'm suffering a veeery slow system due to a bug
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11:31<Supaplex>ghost: generally speaking, it's by design.
11:32<ghost>Suaplex: "by design" to use the first available or what do you mean?
11:32<Supaplex>yes, but afaik it's indeterminate.
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11:34<ghost>Suaplex: ok. I will have to dig a little deeper. since I have approx 200 boxes to do this on. i would like to do this in a standard way instead of one off fw rules
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11:35<ghost>anyone know if this is possible with syslog-ng?
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11:43<Climhazzard>Anyone know how to go about install Pidgin on debian
11:44<Climhazzard>apt-get can't fund libnss-dev
11:44<valdyn>Climhazzard: aptitude install pidgin ?
11:44<dkr>aptitude install pidgin
11:44<wnd>ghost, syslog-ng sems to only allow binding IPs, not using certain interfaces
11:44<valdyn>!info pidgin etch
11:44<witte>Climhazzard: in etch it could be that it is still called gaim
11:44<valdyn>!info pidgin lenny
11:44<dkr>oh yeah
11:44<Climhazzard>so aptitude install gaim?
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11:44<witte>Climhazzard: that would do the trick :-)
11:45<dkr>gaim 2.0.0+beta5-10
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11:45<ghost>wnd: thanks. i have only glanced at the docs. I really didn't want to have to install another logger :(
11:45<dpkg>pidgin: (graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 869 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB
11:46<Climhazzard>Thank 8)
11:46<ghost>funny how I thought this would be easy!
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12:02<Kokon>hi, i need help with nss
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12:03<Kokon>how can i share the users from a nother server? libnss-extrausers?
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12:03<Kokon>they should use the local /etc/passwd | group | shadow files and the fro mthe other server...
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12:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:11<bujin>somebody can help me installing my ati drivers
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12:12<bujin>how can i change the sensivity of my mouse
12:12<bujin>its movin to slow
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12:14<bujin>whats the difference betwen and xfree86
12:14<bujin>whichone is better
12:14<Supaplex>xfree86 is EOL
12:14<dpkg>xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
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12:37<jaimealberto>why it keeps being such a great mistery how to install a font in GNU/Linux?
12:37<jaimealberto>I have a *.ttf file how do I install it so any application can use it?
12:39<cahoot>jaimealberto: what if you simply put it in $HOME/.fonts and run fc-cache -fv?
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12:40<jaimealberto>cahoot, and how I install it system wide?
12:40<themill>jaimealberto: if you use KDE, you can use the kcontrolcentre to install the fonts to that directory in the same way.
12:40<jaimealberto>themill, I use gnome
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12:41<themill>jaimealberto: bad luck then... there's probably not a nice gui for it because that would be "bloat".
12:41*themill is rather cynical about this gnome vs kde thing these days
12:41<suiside>jaimealberto: how many users do you have on the machine?
12:41<themill>jaimealberto: stick it in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/
12:41*jaimealberto smells a KDE troll
12:41<jaimealberto>suiside, a lot
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12:42<jaimealberto>suiside, I want it to be available to all the users of the machine
12:42<Supaplex>!eat /etc/skel
12:42*dpkg eats /etc/skel, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP*
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12:42<cahoot>aimealberto: stick it in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or such?
12:45<jaimealberto>must I restart X after that?
12:45<fxiny>CHOMP ? shoudn't be CRUNCH ?
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12:46<themill>jaimealberto: shouldn't need to for most apps. Probably need to rerun fc-cache though. (too long since I've done this)
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12:47<fxiny>yeahh fc-cache is a woody magic
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12:47<jaimealberto>ok, thanks a lot to you all fc-cache just worked
12:48<jaimealberto>but then what the hell is defoma for?
12:48<cahoot>jaimealberto: could possibly also use: nautilus fonts://
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12:49<jaimealberto>cahoot, fonts:// shows a search window
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12:54<jaimealberto>fc-cache only works for truetype fonts, right?
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12:57<edwin>!dollar usd cad
12:57<themill>edwin: do you have a debian-related question we can help you with?
12:58<edwin>themill: uh no, just trying to get familiar with bitchx again
12:58<edwin>the window system is a bitch to use
12:58<Supaplex>irssi > bx
12:58<dpkg>hmm... bitchx is a old and unmaintained irc-client build on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS" Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
12:58<themill>edwin: don't use it...
12:58<dpkg>rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch
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12:58<edwin>interesting, lol
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12:58<edwin>i haven't irc'd in probably 5 yrs
12:58<edwin>10 yrs ago i just used telnet ;)
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12:59*Supaplex hugs /ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS
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12:59<Supaplex>thank fscking $*@$( for this!
13:00<edwin>thx, any recc scripts for irssi?
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13:02<themill>Sounds like the sorts of scripts that get you kicked out of #debian for telling us what your are listening to and that you've gone off for a piss.
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13:02<edwin>no, none of that crap
13:02<edwin>i prolly don't need scripts
13:03<edwin>i'm half on woody and half on etch, irssi wants to upgrade perl... sigh
13:03<Maulkin>Still woody? Oh dear...
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13:03<Maulkin>You really need to upgrade that
13:03<jeromegamez>greetings! is it possible to run a process in a way that i can logout afterwards? it takes a very long time and i want to go home and reconnect to my server there.
13:03<fxiny>half woody half etch ? where's sarge ? :P
13:03<Maulkin>jeromegamez: sure.
13:03<edwin>uh maybe it's a bit of sarge too
13:04<Maulkin>jeromegamez: Do you want to be able to reattach it later?
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13:04<edwin>i have a custom 2.4 build running xfs+lvm2+some other junk
13:04<fxiny>a bit ? join #franken-debian-stein :P
13:04<jeromegamez>Maulkin: that's it. i know I can run a process in background by attaching a " &" after the command, but I didn't know if the process will quit when I disconnect
13:04<edwin>i have 6 hdds in my beast tho, i suppose i cud try to boot 2.6, it's really the kernel upgrade that scares me a bit
13:05<Maulkin>jeromegamez: It won't :)
13:05<edwin>hey, what's an easy way to create a rescue bootdisk?
13:05<jeromegamez>Maulkin: And is it correct that I can reattach the process with "fg"?
13:05<edwin>also is it easier to boot raid-1 disks in 2.6 via lilo? (i shud get rid of lilo too right?)
13:05<Maulkin>jeromegamez: Only from the same terminal
13:05<Maulkin>jeromegamez: if you want different ones, look at screen.
13:06<edwin>jeromegamez: screen is awesome
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13:06<dpkg>i heard screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or or at or aptitude install screen
13:06<fxiny>a resue boot disk ? a floppy ? tomsrtbt
13:06<blarson>edwin: rescue is now part of the install cd
13:06<edwin>fxiny: from an existing kernel tho, most rescue boot disks won't support xfs+lvm2+raid1/5
13:07<jeromegamez>Maulkin, edwin: I'm just installing it :). Thanks for your help!
13:07<Maulkin>ENo worries
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13:07<edwin>sigh, i need to rebuild my server i guess...
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13:07<fxiny>edwin: modern kernel are fat : can they fit in a floppy ?
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13:08<edwin>fxiny: really? i thought 2.6 was smaller than 2.4
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13:09<edwin>gtg guys, i'll stick with bitchx for now... be sure to ignore my quit ;)
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13:10<fxiny>i'm sure this will kill you
13:10<fxiny>Supaplex: i am running an encrypted system :P
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13:11<fxiny>LUKS so good :P
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13:14<deeptrance>anyone familiar with ide to usb interfaces? i just got one for my 80gb hdd and i cant see it to mount it i can see it via "lsusb" but past that it doesnt exsist
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13:17<witte>deeptrance: look at the output of dmesg after inserting the device
13:18<deeptrance>witte: it says not ready after error recovery
13:19<witte>mmm, don't really know what that message means, you should google it :-)
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13:19<deeptrance>[ 3747.908000] scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
13:20<deeptrance>[ 3747.908000] usb-storage: device found at 7
13:20<deeptrance>[ 3747.908000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
13:20<deeptrance>[ 3752.908000] usb-storage: device scan complete
13:20<deeptrance>[ 3758.496000] usb 1-2.4: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7
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13:22<witte>!tell deeptrance about paste
13:22<witte>deeptrance: are you running ubuntu?
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13:23<deeptrance>sorry i did
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13:25<witte>deeptrance: this is not #ubuntu, you should ask there, but maybe his helps:
13:25<witte>deeptrance: they speak of a 2 minute delay between powering up and pluging in
13:25<deeptrance>i will try that
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13:28<deeptrance>witte here is what i got now, but i still don't see the drive mount
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13:29<deeptrance>then returns to device offlined
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13:34<panagos>how can i toggle the numlock led, without switching the numpad's state? for some reason it's inverted :|
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13:36<drone77>i find if i mash the numlock key it goes back sometimes
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13:53<robt>haha gotcha! xD
13:53<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported.
13:54<robt>i need to install the firmware for my wireless board and then the driver, does anyone have a god HOW TO, because i'm lost
13:54<dpkg>methinks bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware. If you are running Debian stable, you have to use the latest package from the volatile repository. See bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> and <volatile>.
13:54<totocool>Hi all how can i set a debian machine with 2 ethernet interfaces to connect to internet and with the second interface to give internet to another machine ?
13:54<robt>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
13:54<dpkg>as of Etch r3 (17 Feb 2008), bcm43xx-fwcutter can be found in the debian volatile repository. Include volatile in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" to install the latest version of the bcm43xx-fwcutter package and download the firmware. Ask me about <volatile>.
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13:59<shellclear>how to add to legends srt in my videos avi without modifying the format of the video?
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14:09<pwncore>ok i have SDL_Image but a configure script told me this:
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14:09<pwncore>checking for IMG_LoadJPG_RW in -lSDL_image... no
14:09<pwncore>configure: error: SDL_image library needed for FreedroidRPG!
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14:10<pwncore>oh duh i need the dev package huh
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14:12<shellclear>how to add to legends srt in my videos avi without modifying the format of the video?
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14:14<ignu>any help on this one?: I'm running a striaght debian basic install and trying to get my puter to watch whole episodes at ... First step I finally accomplished (getting flash to work), but now I'm getting 'ABC uses a plug-in you don't currently have ... Instructions for Windows People ... installing, please follow steps 1-4'
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14:16<margiolas>hello any link for sopcast for linux? the official is down
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14:23<cjac>margiolas: what do you need? The source? support?
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14:25<shellclear>how to add to legends srt in my videos avi without modifying the format of the video?
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14:27<razed>Hello everyone. You've been so helpful in the past I thought I'd give you a try again if you don't mind. If a network is blocking SSH traffic, how can you tell? When trying to connect from said network, my friend gets a "ERROR: No route to host" message.
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14:28<splendidjim_>hi, just wrote" /media/Lieder nfs auto defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 " but whatever I do after I typed mount -a into the bash it comes up with: line 13 is bad. . . what is my fault?
14:28<weasel>razed: that means it doesn't work. it's impossible to say why.
14:28<margiolas>cjac: the sp-auth binary
14:28<razed>Is it possible she's got the putty settings incorrect?
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14:29<weasel>possible yes. hard to tell.
14:29<bma>splendidjim_, remove the "auto" after "nfs"?
14:29<cjac>margiolas: doesn't look like it's in debian....?
14:29<weasel>or maybe she's behind a fascist firewall. or the server is. or the route is broken, or ..
14:29<splendidjim_>bm thanks
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14:29<splendidjim_>bma thanks
14:30<razed>Well, it works from my work's network.
14:30<razed>So I know the server is working.
14:30<margiolas>cjac: it's not i just asked if someone has alink nnothing else........
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14:30<cjac>ah :)
14:31<razed>I told her to go through port 443, which is what they use for SSL traffic, right? Meaning https:// sites wouldn't work if they had that port blocked, am I right?
14:31<cjac>margiolas: have you tried the internet archive?
14:31<cjac>margiolas: or google cache?
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14:38<splendidjim_>ok no errors anymore, but I can't see any files when I open /media/Lieder
14:39<splendidjim_>any ideas?
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14:50<RaphaelBossek>hi all
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14:51<RaphaelBossek>ITP a C++ library which fails with GCC 4.3 but 4.0 works fine :-(
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14:52<pwncore>RaphaelBossek have you tried using the lenny version
14:52<RaphaelBossek>pwncore, I'm at testing...
14:52<pwncore>have you tried using the sid version ;)
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14:53<RaphaelBossek>pwncore, -> both versions are equal ! only experimental is newer...
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14:56<pwncore>right but you're looking for a version of ITP that works with gcc 4.3 right
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14:57<dondelelcaro>RaphaelBossek: how is it failing with a newer version of gcc?
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14:57<dondelelcaro>RaphaelBossek: unless gcc is ICE'ing, that generally means that you've found a bug in the library.
14:58<dondelelcaro>(which you should fix)
14:58*RaphaelBossek try to solve the gcc 4.0 warning first
14:58*RaphaelBossek before recompile with 4.3
14:58<dondelelcaro>whatever works
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15:07<RaphaelBossek>ups, the -g option does not work for gcc 4.3...
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15:10<Aleric>Never fall asleep on the PrtScn key
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15:13<avtobiff>how do you fall asleep on a keybord at all?
15:14<Aleric>I didn't, I just leaned on the key while trying to adjust the <what-the-word> on the ground.
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15:14<Aleric>But "falling sleep" seemed to get accross the basic idea: pressing and holding PrtScn so it starts to repeat sucks.
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15:15<jla>What is the command to override permissions on a package-installed file (so they don't reset on updates)?
15:15<dondelelcaro>jla: dpkg-statoverride
15:16<jla>dondelelcaro: thank you for your wealth of knowlege. My search terms were failing me.
15:16<dondelelcaro>jla: what do you want to do with it, though?
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15:17<dondelelcaro>(you generally shouldn't have to override the permissions on the file)
15:17<jla>dondelelcaro: suid screen on a development box. I could add a sudo alias for screen too.
15:18<dondelelcaro>jla: yeah, I'd use sudo, not suid screen.
15:18<dondelelcaro>jla: screen is already setgid utmp, which is the right thing for it
15:18<dondelelcaro>setuid screen is a direct path to root; anything is more ideal than that
15:18<jla>dondelelcaro: yes, I wish that was enough to make multiuser work
15:19<jla>(sgid utmp)
15:19<jla>I'll stop being lazy and look into a sudo alias for 'multi-user screen users' :)
15:19<dondelelcaro>oh, well, multiuser pretty much requires that you be root
15:19<dondelelcaro>(for good reason. ;-))
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15:21<jla>true, but all the acl stuff in screen seems like overkill if you ahve to be root to attach anyway.
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15:21<Ouroboros>you know how debian live uses squashfs for compression? is it possible to use something similar with the regular installer?
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15:24<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: what for ? squashfs cannot compress debs (no use on the install-isos) and is ro (no use on the HD)
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15:30<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: hm, well it doesnt have to be squashfs, i just need some compression
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15:30<Ouroboros>(since it does not fit otherwise)
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15:31<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: Can you install onto a bigger drive, then move the smaller one ? in that case you can compress /usr with squashfs. But you lose the ability to install anything new (like security updates).
15:32<alaya>what's the syntax to pipe output to ls?
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15:32<alaya><command> |ls -la obviously doesn't work
15:32<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: i thought it was possible to modify squashfs with live-snapshot?
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15:33<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: no. they use a squashfs on the disc for ro-stuff and a unionfs based on a ramfs and the squashfs to make it rw.
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15:34<Ouroboros>but you can save some settings with that?
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15:34<Ouroboros>i guess i just need a bigger drive..
15:34<jla>alaya: pipe to ls? ls creates output from readdir of a given directory path or the current one.) You want to run ls on directories given by some other program? perhaps you want xargs?
15:34<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: sure. Just copy the ramfs-part onto a disc, flash, networkshare... and copy it back into the ramfs at the next startup.
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15:35<alaya>jla: i want locate foo | ls -la i want output of locate piped to ls to see long listing of each hit
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15:36<Maulkin>locate foo | xargs ls -la
15:36<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: as for a HD-install with /usr squashed: the rest would work normaly so you can save settings, documents,... anything you like.
15:36<jla>alaya: like find / -name "*foo*" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -la. I'd have to look if locate could do null delimited output
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15:37<alaya>Maulkin: magic!
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15:37<alaya>thanks also jla
15:37<alaya>i guess i conceptually don't *get* exactly what xargs does
15:38<jla>it calls ls like "ls /dir1/foo /dir2/foo /dir1/dir3/foo"
15:38<Maulkin>locate foo | xargs ls -la
15:38<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: yeah, but i dont think thats good enough, i want to be able to dist-upgrade
15:38<Ouroboros>alaya: in the simplest usage, xargs put all the output of the pipe on one line at the end of the command
15:39<Maulkin>[ locate foo ] Takes this stuff [ | xargs ls -l ] And puts it over here.
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15:39<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: you are out of luck. There are some experimental compressing fs out there. But i don´t think it is worth the hassle. you can get into a lot of trouble just to gain 15-25% disc space. Anyway: use debfoster, deborphan,...
15:39<Maulkin>It's used to build and execute command lines from standard input in fact
15:40<alaya>yeah, but why wouldn't just piping it work?
15:40<Maulkin>Has many magic options that make it quite powerful
15:40<Maulkin>See man xargs :)
15:40<Maulkin>Because ls doesn't expect stdin?
15:40<alaya>why can't you do something like locate foo | ls -la - ?
15:40<jla>ls expected the data in argv, not from stdin
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15:41<alaya>yes i get it
15:41<alaya>ok now its clear. thanks.
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15:41<alaya>so it basically turns STDIN into argv
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15:42<alaya>what does the "x" in the name xargs mean?
15:42<alaya>oh, maybe "exchange"? like "exchange arguments"?
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15:43<pwncore>xargs - build and execute command lines from standard input
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15:43<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: my goal is to build a gnome desktop in 512 MB... looks like you cannot without compression?
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15:45<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: i don´t think it is possible w/o killing some other basic programms and very, very careful tuneing. The tuneing may very well brek stuff badly at updates.
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15:45<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: i made it into 700 MB pretty easily, but hm
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15:47<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: i had a compressed xfce-install with netbeans, java-tools, openoffice in under 400MB. But the recompress after each update kind of kills the joy.
15:47<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: did you already remove the unneeded locals files ?
15:47<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: really all i want is a web browser and the gnome look, dont need anything else
15:47<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: you mean "apt-get clean" ?
15:48<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: no, the tool that kills man-pages and documentation in languges you don´t understand anyway.
15:48<Ouroboros>no i have not tried that
15:48<cm>new to this, where do i find a list of irc servers (or whatever) to go to?
15:49<Ouroboros>cm: this is the only irc server and channel
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15:49<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: localepurge is quite nice, but it takes some time to finish the first go.
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15:50<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: that means i have to install on a bigger drive first
15:50<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: screw it, i will jsut find a 1 GB drive
15:50<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: you are using flash for HDs ?
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15:51<pumpkin0>cm: there are hunderst of servers. Most clients have a precompiled list.
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15:51<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: sure why not
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15:52<splendidjim_>hi, I just typed: apt-get upgrade and get this: Running 'tzconfig' to set this system'ss timezone. /var/lib/dpkg/info/ line 27: /usr/bin/sbin/tzconfig: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure): subprocess post installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: tzdata E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) what does he wanna tell
15:52<splendidjim_> me? there seems to be something wrong with tzdata, right?
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15:54<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: i created a totaly slient system about 2 years ago. The key was using a normal HD for install and prepare, squashfs to reduce ro-files like /lib, /usr /bin /sbin and a ramfs to store /home. It boots faster (about 10 sec improvment) and is quite fast (4 sec to launch opera instead of 15 for a normal install). But it was a lot of work and i used a 2GB flash-stick.
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15:54<alaya>this is so rad i get to set up a small cluster of kvm virtual machines
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15:55<Ouroboros>if only i could boot off my PCMCIA card, would be no problem
15:55<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: get a CF-IDE adapter ?
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15:55<Ouroboros>yeah, but i think my laptop cannot boot from it
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15:55<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: Your laptop will never notice the difference. These adapters emulate a real HD.
15:56<Ouroboros>i have a PCMCIA-CF adapter, it is not working
15:56<Ouroboros>not showing up as a boot device
15:56<alaya>no you connect the CF adapter internally to where the HD is. but they cost a lot
15:56<pumpkin0>PCMCIA is a different thing. IDE = normal HD = bootable.
15:56<pumpkin0>alaya: 12$.
15:56<alaya>cf. mac boot air
15:57<alaya>pumpkin0: oh right. i'm thinking of those other static drives they sell now
15:57<Ouroboros>how long until i will have problems because its flash?
15:57<alaya>like $300-$300 for 32 GB
15:57<pumpkin0>alaya: yes, 12$ is w/o the flash space..
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15:58<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: depends on how you use it and how much you pay for the CF.
15:59<Ouroboros>i have microdrives as well
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15:59<pumpkin0>eeeeee noisy little things.
15:59<alaya>there are some good threads on flash wear-out at oeforums
15:59<Ouroboros>plus the microdrive already has bad blocks
15:59<lockoff>could someone help me fix gui desktop? I got the Xorg.0.log on pastebin
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15:59<pumpkin0>i "solved" the problem by using the ramfs for rw-files.
15:59<Ouroboros>they are faster than flash though
16:00<Ouroboros>at least the cards that i have
16:00<pumpkin0>lockoff: which pastebin and which number ?
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16:00<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: good CF gets you about 20MB/s and 0.5 ms seek time.
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16:00<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: 20MB/s write, read is faster.
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16:01<pumpkin0>lockoff: where is the rest ?
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16:01<Ouroboros>anyway, i dont really care about speed... i booted with squashfs off a generic USB stick yesterday and it was supser fast
16:01<lockoff>this is the bad part
16:01<pumpkin0>bernardo: NOT BY SCREACHING IN HERE.
16:01<pumpkin0>lockoff: the error should be about 50 lines below that.
16:02<bernardo>pumpkin0: you mean screaming?
16:02<pumpkin0>bernardo: yes. You should never use caps in IRC.
16:02<bernardo>pumpkin0: sorry
16:02<blahdebla1>pumpkin0: you mean irc? ;-0
16:02<pumpkin0>bernardo: OK, do you have wlan online and connected to the AP ?
16:02<bernardo>pumpkin0: yes
16:03<splendidjim_>any ideas about tzdata?
16:03<alaya>bernardo: use with dhclient like any other adapter. man interfaces for permanent options
16:03<bernardo>pumpkin0: but i cant get an IP address
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16:03<blahdebla1>Hi. While upgrading my server from sarge to etch on the weekend, i lost all my amavis-stats history. All of the .rrd files still seem to be there in /var/lib/amavis-stats, but nothing shows in the web interface. Any ideas?
16:03<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: some sticks are fast and squashfs is reducing the amout of data move to the bare minimum.
16:03<pumpkin0>bernardo: beomce root and run "iwconfig".
16:04<lockoff>pumpkin; now its complete
16:04<pumpkin0>bernardo: is the Access Point MAC-adress right ?
16:04<bernardo>pumpkin0: yes
16:04<pumpkin0>bernardo: does it work if you enter a IP by hand ?
16:05<pumpkin0>lockoff: that server started without major problems. It found everything it needed. What do you see on the screen ?
16:05<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: so with live-usb, you cannot dist-upgrade?
16:05<bernardo>pumpkin0: yes, it does. But the problem is that it take about 20 minutes after i turn on my pc so it can get an IP address from the router...
16:06<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: no. I reboot, apt-get update/upgrade, run a little script that rebuilds the images on the flash and reboot again. About 15min + downloads.
16:06<bernardo>pumpkin0: i think there is something wrong, because it shouldnt take that long
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16:06<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: also means you have to have a build machine
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16:07<pumpkin0>bernardo: do you the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" somewhere in your interfaces-config ? (eth0 may be eth1 ...)
16:07<bernardo>pumpkin0: yes...
16:07<lockoff>pumpkin; booting stops at console login and then desktop gui doesny work
16:07<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: no. It is the same laptop, i just remove the HD as long as i don´t need it.
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16:08<pumpkin0>bernardo: do you use WPA/WEP ?
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16:08<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: my setup is different though
16:08<bernardo>pumpkin0: yes, I use wpasupplicant also
16:08<pumpkin0>bernardo: pre-up wpa_supplicant ... blabla .. ?
16:08<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: tell me.
16:08<lockoff>pumkin; it also says about tgis gdm/usr/sbin/gdm: symbol lookup error
16:08<bernardo>pumpkin0: yeap....
16:09<pumpkin0>lockoff: ah, it is gdm failing, not the xserver.
16:09<pumpkin0>lockoff: how did you install that PC ?
16:09<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: well my laptop only has win32.... if i had more space i would just dual-boot debian and be done... i have a large build server elsewhere but i do not want to rebuild there all the time
16:09<bernardo>pumpkin0: someone told I need "pump" in order to work...
16:10<pumpkin0>bernardo: if you run dhcpclient at conolse right now: does it work ?
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16:10<lockoff>debian CD and everything was fine until I started upgrading via apt
16:10<bernardo>pumpkin0: no....
16:10<pumpkin0>bernardo: copy the outpus into a pastebin please.
16:11<pumpkin0>lockoff: "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" or anything fancy ? and did you use etch or lenny ?
16:11<bernardo>pumpkin0: I dont have the package dhcp-client, Im installing it right now...hold on
16:11<pumpkin0>bernardo: OK, that should fix stuff...
16:12<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: can that thing boot from USB-Stick ?
16:12<bernardo>pumpkin0: just that?
16:12<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: yes, that is my intention
16:12<pumpkin0>bernardo: well, that is the package that can ask for a dhcp-lease. w/o it debian is not using dhcp at all...
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16:13<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: i vote for the build server and a compressed image. Or just use the live-CD copied onto the usb-stick.
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16:14<bernardo>pumpkin0: but how can you explain that my system was acquiring an IP address despite that it was taking too long?
16:14<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: i need to make some changes to the live image then, because it is not real secure from what i gather
16:14<lockoff>just update and then install some pakckages thru Synaptic and then tings sopped working. windows I had up worked fine, but couldnt start terminol nor use the "taskbar"
16:14<pumpkin0>bernardo: it defaults to something. But i never had the nerve to test that.
16:15<bernardo>pumpkin0: ok then...thanks a lot!
16:15<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: it is compressed and largly ro. If somebody hacks it and you reboot ... the problem is gone.
16:15<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: thats true
16:15<pumpkin0>lockoff: did you install compiz from outside the debian-repos ?
16:16<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: OK, if you get hacked and they upload your private data .. you basicly lost.
16:17<lockoff>whats compiz
16:17<pumpkin0>lockoff: what is the last package you installed ?
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16:18<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: yes, that is the problem.. but all i really need to do is add some iptables rules and set passwords on the user accounts
16:19<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: you can edit /etc/passw... and the iptables on the build server beforehand.
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16:19<lockoff>I checked wireshark and lots of them got auto,aticly checked for upgrade
16:19<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: the problem is that if the build server is compromised, then everything is compromised :)
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16:20<pumpkin0>lockoff: lenny or sid ?
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16:21<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: well... if you lose one server and use the same passwords on both anyway... You have to draw the line somewhere.
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16:21<lockoff>should I paste you the sources list?
16:21<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: my specific objective for this system is to be secure with respect to private data... i assume my other machines are already compromised and have keyloggers installed
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16:22<pumpkin0>lockoff: yes, but into a pastebin.
16:23<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: solve one problem at a time. You can have a secure system by using the guides or a system on USB or a compressed root. But i have never seen all these in one tutorial.
16:23<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: yes, but my point is that i cannot use any existing system to set the passwords for this one
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16:24<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: and i do not want to build the image on the other system for similar reasons
16:24<Ouroboros>i know this is completely paranoid, but it is more an experiment in where it can be done
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16:25<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: boot the live-CD (you alread lost here cause a rootkit may have been active), set the passwords and afterwards connect to the net ?
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16:26<Ouroboros>well yeah, i supposed they could modify my image before i burn it, but its pretty low probability
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16:27<Ouroboros>plus i guess i could read it back and checksum, and the probability of it shipping with a rootkit is acceptable
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16:27<pumpkin0>the last thing i heard from the rootkit-crowd was the add-rootkit-to-BIOS attack. Including a demo. So f**k the iso.
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16:27<Ouroboros>what is this?
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16:29<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: you can modifiy a BIOS on the fly. If you know enough about the BIOS you can add a rootkit to it. Most BIOS image are way smaller then the EEPROM-chip they are written to, so there is enough space to do it. In that case you are f**k no matter what you install.
16:30<lupine_85>only you'd need root privs to do so in linux
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16:30<pumpkin0>lupine_85: he dual-boots win32.
16:30<lupine_85>then fail :p
16:30<Ouroboros>pumpkin0: heh, are you gonna tell me about van eck phreaking next?
16:31<lupine_85>I should note that BIOS viruses are pretty damn rare, though
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16:31<lupine_85>in fact, I don't know of /any/ in the wild right now
16:31<pumpkin0>and there was a local user -> root problem for several kernels lately.
16:31<pumpkin0>lupine_85: agreed.
16:31<Ouroboros>for *all* kernels you mean
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16:31<Ouroboros>i think there was 1 version which was immune, heh
16:31<pumpkin0>Ouroboros: all since the new vm-something call was added.
16:32<pumpkin0>so from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 ?
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16:32<Ouroboros>so basically you can consider just about every linux system in world rooted
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16:32<Ouroboros>but yeah, whatever
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16:32<pumpkin0>you need local access first.
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16:32<Ouroboros>sure, but can you trust your users?
16:33<pumpkin0>i´m the only user on this box. And my servers do not run linux. So ... yes.
16:33<pwncore>depends on how many users you have
16:33<pwncore>i can trust myself
16:33<pumpkin0>OK, there is proably a expoit or AIX somewhere ...
16:33<Ouroboros>i have maybe 10 users on my build server, and i trust 0 of them
16:34<Ouroboros>especially since they keep asking me for root
16:34<pwncore>no bueno
16:34<pwncore>anyway i gotta bounce
16:34<pumpkin0>uhm ... install a VM for each of them a give them what they want ?
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16:34<Ouroboros>yes, that is what i am doing right now
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16:39<aycko>is there some official site where i can see which current nvidia video cards are fully supported by debian?
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16:40<aycko>i have huge problems installing my ati card. thus i want to buy a new nvidia card. i just want to make sure 3d acceleration will be supported.
16:40<pumpkin0>aycko: well, etch or lenny ?
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16:41<aycko>i use envy to compile current drivers though.
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16:41<pumpkin0>aycko: you will not like this, but here it is: . Way more and newer cards are supported by the driver (which install nearly 100% cleanly on etch).
16:43<aycko>pumpkin0: which vendor would u recommend? is there any difference?
16:43<pumpkin0>aycko: i recommand nvidia for any 3D related stuff.
16:43<aycko>you mean nvidia card with nvidia chipset right?
16:44<pumpkin0>aycko: but the recent cards like 8600 and 8800 are not supported directly in debian. Since the driver is OK. No the cards do work on every mainstream motherboard chipset.
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16:45<Ten>yeah well define "supported by Debian"
16:45<aycko>well i wanted to go for some old card. i figued current hardware is no good with linux.
16:45<aycko>do you have a particular suggestion?
16:45<pumpkin0>Ten: works by useing only debian-repos.
16:46<pumpkin0>aycko: so it is not for gaming ?
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16:46<Ten>with 3D acceleration?
16:46<pumpkin0>Ten: with 3D.
16:46<Ten>on current cards? Hmmmm. Good luck with that tbh.
16:46<aycko>well a bit gaming, but actually i just want to do opengl stuff
16:46<pumpkin0>Ten: the 7*** nvidias work, the 8*** work if you use sid.
16:47<aycko>i would go for 150-200 €/$
16:47<Ten>for given values of "work"
16:47<aycko>ok i will look into it.
16:47<aycko>thank you.
16:47<pumpkin0>aycko: get a 8600 GT and the driver. i use it myself. It is not hyper fast but it does work, does not crash and has CUDA.
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16:48<Ten>the driver is not 'supported by debian' and in debian official repositories, is it?
16:48<Ten>i don't know, maybe I'm out of date :)
16:49<aycko>pumpkin0: that look reasonable ;)
16:49<pumpkin0>Ten: sid has a pretty recent copy from (modified to fit into debian).
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16:50<pumpkin0>Ten: the dealbreakers ar the ATIs. There are 2 new opensoucre-drivers in progress and 2D works mostly even on the brand new stuff. But they are miles form touching 3D.
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16:52<pumpkin0>aycko: the big gotach is the nvidia driver from debian-etch. It has 2 /etc/init.d scripts that kill drivers. So if you swtch from the debian-way to the way first remove these two files.
16:52<chealer_>pumpkin0: with that definition, no nvidia card is supported by Debian.
16:52<Ten>hmmmm. "Supported" has become a subjective term, it seems.
16:52<jla>I've been trying to rebuild the sid nvidia-* packages on etch. It hasn't gone well.
16:53<pumpkin0>chealer_: OK, include non-free ...
16:54<chealer_>pumpkin0: then they *are* supported by Debian, unless talking specifically about stable
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16:55<Ouroboros>later people
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16:56<matthewpoer>can anyone help me debug my blasted shell script? It's rather small - I'm having trouble with my if statements...
16:56<matthewpoer>I just put it on
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16:57<Climhazzard>This may sound really stupid, but what's the command to replace xorg.conf with xorg.conf.original-0
16:57<ardoRic>Climhazzard, mv
16:58<jla>mv or cp, your call. maybe backup the xorg.conf to another filename first
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16:58<matthewpoer>claimhazzard, 'cp xorg.conf.original-0 xorg.conf' will do it
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16:59<jla>matthewpoer: your first if doesn't have ';'
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16:59<matthewpoer>jla, what, after the echo?
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17:00<jla>line 6
17:00<rasher>matthewpoer: I also believe you need a space after all the [s
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17:01<matthewpoer>jla, still getting errors... 'line 6: [: =: unary operator expected'
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17:04<rasher>matthewpoer: you need a space before ], and also after the [, I believe
17:04<lontra>hi i am setting up a wiki on how to run kde4 via a schroot -> .. but i can't figure out how make a line appear below one another, they all come out in one long line
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17:05<matthewpoer>I have done that, now, rasher, it still doesn't run. I repasted on
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17:08<arreis>does anyone know why gnuplot is really slow, i mean do i need a better cpu or gpu? cause i just got a nvdia Geforce 8600gt and gnuplot keeps being really slow (btw srry about my english)
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17:09<azeem>slow ho?
17:10<jonson>could anybody help me? I want create distrib and setup it on USB flash ... it's like LiveCD. For this purpose I use "live-helper". It works fine, BUT! every time it start booting, it shows splash screen and wait for me press key "Enter" ... I want to turn off this splash screen
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17:11<azeem>jonson: maybe ask in the debian-live channel
17:11<arreis>mmm i want to draw very complex equations, and when i move the graphic it delays like 2 or 3 secs
17:12<jonson>azeem, they are sleeping now =)
17:12<azeem>jonson: so wait
17:13<jonson>azeem: I have wait for them for about 5 hours
17:13<arreis>azeem, do u know what does the calculations for drawing the graphic, the cpu or the gpu?
17:13<lontra>anyone know how to about formatting on the debian wiki? i'm trying to add some info but i can't figure out how to start a new line. either my lines continue until there too long or have 2 spaces between them
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17:14<azeem>arreis: the cpu
17:14<ardoRic>lontra, doesn't it have a 'code' environment ?
17:14<ardoRic>most wiki's do
17:15<loserbar>hi everyone. im following e17 from cvs. i have it installed in my home folder and i want to know how to let it recognize the debian menu as well as all of my other programs. anyone here who could give me some insight on this/
17:15<lontra>ardoRic: maybe ... i'll try to use iceweasel and see if i see anything different renders horrible on konqi4
17:15<arreis>azeem ty a lot ^
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17:17<arreis>azeem do u know of any tool to monitor gpu activity
17:17<lontra>ardoRic: i think that was what it was
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17:17<debian>does anyone if i can set up mulitple users to one home directory in vsftpd server?
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17:18<azeem>arreis: no
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17:20<Scud>and how
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17:21<arreis>azeem, ok ty again
17:23<splendidjim_>hi I just wanted to check if my soundcard works and typed in: cat: /dev/random >/dev/dsp but it doesnt how may I check whats wrong?
17:25<debian>I want to set up a ftp server (thinkig vsftpd - since lots of people recommended it as being a good one) but i dont want to have each user to have their own home directory. Does anyone know of a way to have just one home directory for all ftp users?
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17:40<chealer_>!tell splendidjim_ about doesn't work
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17:42<lontra>could this get added to dpkg's kde4 factoid? to run kde4 via a schroot and not hose your machine ->
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17:43<tark>hi everyone. i've just installed virtualbox in lenny. is there a way to automate 'modprobe vboxdrv' on startup ?
17:43<cwood>tark: perhaps put vboxdrv in /etc/modules
17:44<kzar>I am having troubles with two network interfaces clashing, is there any way to say "always use eth2 for the internet" or something like that?
17:44<tark>cwood ok will try straight away
17:44<cwood>tark: remember to read the manual to read about /etc/modules before you reboot :)
17:45<cwood>kzar: Are they on the same network or something?
17:45<cwood>and my own question... has anybody managed to compile Audacious support into imms in Debian?
17:45<kzar>cwood: No, one is to the internet, one is to an internal network
17:45<kzar>but when I bring both up the internet stops working sometimes, it's very odd
17:46<chealer>lontra: it looks rather developer-oriented, but I suppose that's what KDE 4 is for now anyway.
17:46<kzar>for example this time I had to ifdown eth3 before I could get a connection to connect to IRC
17:46<cwood>kzar: For me, I've solved the problem by having a gateway listed in /etc/network/interfaces for my internet interface, and no gateway for the other. But likely you have eth0 and eth1, where does eth2 come from?
17:47<lontra>chealer: works great here but i wouldn't recommend it to anyone except through those instructions
17:47<kzar>cwood: Actually it's eth2 and eth3 for me
17:47<cwood>kzar: if you have two ethernet cards, why 2,3 not 0,1?
17:47<kzar>cwood: OK I will try and remove the gateway record for eth3
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17:47<kzar>cwood: Down to firewire looking like a network card I think
17:47<splendidjim123>ah, ok I see: the soundcard seems to be recognized by the software alsaconf (1.0.13) uses snd-intel8x0 as driver module and says its an: nvidia Corporation MCP2S AC 97' Audio Controller (rev a1) it asks me if I want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound 8and /etc/modprobe.conf). After that it tells me, the sound driver is configured and ALSA configurator will prepare the card for playing now
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17:48<tark>cwood wouldn't depmod be more appropriate ?
17:48<splendidjim123>I want to use MythTV on this PC
17:48<splendidjim123>the problem is: I don't get any error messages
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17:49<cwood>tark: I just have interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces. iirc where they're plugged into your slots relates to which is the first card and which the subsequent ones are.
17:50<dpkg>methinks z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
17:51<tark>cwood are we discussing virtualbox and modprobe vboxdrv automation ?
17:51<cwood>ooh, high tech. ty, petemc. ;)
17:51<splendidjim123>and I don't hear anything, is anything else needed to know? and I upgradet today (couldnt hear something before or afterward)
17:51<debian>I want to set up a ftp server (thinkig vsftpd - since lots of people recommended it as being a good one) but i dont want each user to have their own home directory. Does anyone know of a way to have just one home directory for all ftp users?
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17:52<cwood>tark: ack, that networking was for kzar... for you, I'm not sure. I haven't gotten that involved in module loading. I've always used /etc/modules for anything special needing loading at boot, but then I'm behind the times.
17:52<tark>cwood k thx i'll try that and let you know
17:52<ranix>where am I
17:52<ranix>what irc server is this
17:53<ranix>what are you doing
17:53<ranix>you're all hackers
17:53<ranix>vampiring my megahurtz
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17:55<lupine_85>om nom nom nom nom
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17:55<kzar>cwood: It will take a reboot to test that properly but I had one other question: if I want to share eth2's net connection with eth3 does this look right? "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE" and then "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". I can't get it working
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17:58<tark>cwood worked like a charm thank you very much !
17:58<cwood>kzar: If you want your machine to act as a gateway for your home network, there are some more involved stages. You'll need a forwarding rule as well, along the lines of: iptables -A FORWARD <inteth> -o <exteth> -j ACCEPT <--- but before the postrouting, and also a masquerade rule. Read the internet howtos.
17:58<cwood>tark: nifty
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17:59<chealer>splendidjim123: your sound problem is only with mythtv?
17:59<splendidjim123>no the soundproblem is general
17:59<kzar>cwood: I have read some internet howto's (that's where I got the commands I showed you) but none of them seem to be much good, any you would recommend?
18:00<chealer>splendidjim123: which X session type so you use?
18:00<splendidjim123>cat: /dev/random >/dev/dsp was supposed to create random sounds and send them to my soundcard, so I could check all channels
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18:00<cwood>kzar: there might be some firewall in a box packages somewhere in Debian, perhaps download them and see how they do it.
18:01<splendidjim123>chealer how can I see that?
18:02<chealer>splendidjim123: which Debian suite do you use?
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18:02<splendidjim123>It is Knoppix (based on etch as far as I know)
18:02<debian>I want to set up a ftp server (thinkig vsftpd - since lots of people recommended it as being a good one) but i dont want each user to have their own home directory. Does anyone know of a way to have just one home directory for all ftp users?
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18:03<chealer>!tell splendidjim123 about knoppix
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18:03<chealer>splendidjim123: it's the same thing. only Debian is supported here.
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18:12<alaya>SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0 qemu -soundhw es1370 -net nic -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=kvm0,script=/etc/kvm/kvm-ifup -boot d -cdrom /mnt/data1/iso/debian/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso -hda debian_etch-01.qimg -m 300 & mama!
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18:17<alaya>its so fun installing straight from an ISO
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18:33<tony>Is there a known issue with X not running at 1280x800
18:34<azeem>I guess issues like that are highly chipset and/or configuration specific
18:34<azeem>and are not X issues in general
18:34<tony>Is there some way to fix it
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18:42<chealer>tony: depends on the problem
18:44<witte>tony: 1280*800 works on my laptop...
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18:44<witte>tony: check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out why it does not select that mode in your configuration
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19:13<bernardo>what is the best menu editor for gnome??
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19:16<bernardo> what is the best menu editor for gnome??
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19:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:19<miksuh>bernardo: alacarte
19:20<bernardo>miksuh: but I can't add an entry to run in terminal...
19:20<blahdebla1>Hi. While upgrading my server from sarge to etch on the weekend, i lost all my amavis-stats history. All of the .rrd files still seem to be there in /var/lib/amavis-stats, but nothing shows in the web interface. Any ideas?
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19:23<miksuh>bernardo: alacarte should allow you to do that, just make sure you activate "run in terminal" checkbox in menu entry properties
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19:24<bernardo>miksuh: I did that, but when I try to run it doesn't. And then when I look again the checkbox is unmarked...
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19:44<strefli3>Guys, I currently have a working system on 120 megs of flash, I need to include apache in this install though, does anyone know of some packages that I can remove, or better yet a site to someone who has done somthing similiar?
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19:47<witte>strefli3: do you need apache, maybe something lightweight would be more appropriate: lighttpd ? (note i have no experience in this :-))
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19:49<witte>strefli3: or alternatively thttpd
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19:53<strefli3>witte: I imagine both of thoes have php support?
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19:54<witte>strefli3: sorry, that i can't tell, don't really know them, just thought that you would like something small with only 120 MB
19:55<witte>apt-cache show lighttpd shows does not mention php, but it does mention cgi
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19:56<witte>and with thttpd the same, so i kind of doubt it, but you should check their websites for more info
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20:12<iury>hello... i'm using lenny, and when i was trying to install nvidia graphics driver the program complained about cc mismatch, that my kernel was compiled under 4.1 and i am using 4.2
20:12<iury>what can i do?
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20:13<Amaru>czy bylby ktos w stanie pomoc mi skonfigurowac polaczenie wifi na debianie?
20:13<dpkg>somebody said pl was perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
20:14<witte>iury: did you install nvidia using the debian way, or downloaded it from the nvidia website?
20:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
20:14<witte>!nvidia one-liner
20:14<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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20:18<iury>witte: i've downloaded the .run from the site
20:18<iury>but i can't install
20:18<iury>so i haven't done nothing yet
20:18<witte>iury: try to do it as dpkg toldµ
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20:20<iury>E: Impossível achar pacote nvidia-kernel-2.6-486
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20:20<iury>translating: can't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-486
20:20<witte>iury: do you have non-free enabled in your sources.list?
20:20<dpkg>from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
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20:21<witte>and add contrib as well (i am not sure where it is, but think in non-free)
20:21<iury>yes deb lenny main contrib non-free
20:21<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
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20:21<witte>ah, ok, you have lenny, that is something different
20:21<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:22<iury>E: O pacote nvidia-kernel-source não tem candidato para instalação
20:22<iury>nvidia-kernel-source has no candidate for installation
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20:24<witte>iury: mm, i also don't seem to find that package in lenny, but it is in sid
20:24<witte>one second
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20:24<debian_>i want to set up a ftp server on my debian machine (vsftpd prefrebly) but i want to have one home directory for all ftp user account rather then having eachother have their own home directory... any suggestions?
20:25<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4993 kB, Installed size: 5044 kB
20:26<iury>the line of sources.list is allright?
20:27<iury>deb lenny main contrib non-free
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20:27<witte>iury: yes, it is, the package is not in lenny, and on the page i gave, there is a link to the reasons why
20:28<iury>i must stay without the modules?
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20:28<witte>iury: not sure, i don't use these nvidia driver, i use the open source nv driver
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20:30<witte>iury: I am sure it must be possible, and otherwise, you need to wait for a while (not that long, because the bug that is delaying the package is already solved, and you just have to wait until the xserver-xorg-core package enters testing
20:31<iury>but i can use compiz with the nv driver?
20:31<witte>iury: that package normally enters testing after it has been 10 days in sid
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20:31<witte>iury: don't know that either :-)
20:32<iury>i'm having more trouble with debian that i tought that i'd have, after 4 years of slackware
20:32<witte>iury: no,
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20:32<iury>and another doubt
20:32<witte>iury: you just have a bit of bad luck, the nvidia driver could be available for testing within a few days...
20:33<iury>i can't install sun's jre
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20:33<iury>iury@debian:~$ mercury
20:33<iury>Mercury does not run on GNU Java.
20:33<iury>Please, make sure to have the Sun Java version 1.5 or later installed.
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20:34<witte>iury: apt-get install sun-java6-jre
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20:34<chealer>witte: the one-liner(s) is/are only for those that already did it.
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20:35<chealer>witte: the main problem is "Depends: nvidia-graphics-drivers xorg-server (not considered)"
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20:35<witte>chealer: ok, I'll keep it in mind for next time
20:36<iury>thank you, it's downloading
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20:36<iury>but, i'm still thinking
20:36<iury>that problem that nvidia's installer reports, doesn't matter?
20:36<chealer>iury: if you don't mind, why do you want the nvidia graphics driver?
20:37<iury>to run compiz and unreal tournament 2004
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20:37<chealer>iury: it shouldn't
20:37<iury>the installer reports that my kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1, and i'm using gcc 4.2
20:37<witte>iury: normally if you use debian packages all along the way, everthing will work nicely
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20:38<iury>so i'll stay withou gaming for a while :D
20:39<witte>iury: bookmark the page i mentioned earlier, and check again in a few days, it should be solved by then
20:39<iury>thank you witte, your help was valuable
20:39<witte>you're welcome
20:39<chealer>iury: that's most efficient, but beware it will most likely last over 1 month
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20:42<debian_>does anyone know vsftpd server good?
20:42<iury_>witte: where i can set permanently my network interfaces ip's?
20:42<abrotman>it's fine
20:42<witte>iury_: in /etc/network/interfaces
20:42<debian_>i need help with vsftpd config
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20:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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20:44<squeaktech>Hi all
20:44<squeaktech>would someone help me with a problem i am having?
20:44<debian_>i want to set up vsftpd server with multiple users and one home directory
20:45<squeaktech>I try to install my graphic card driver and I get this message "Error! I can't make kernel modules which match your kernel. "
20:45<debian_>does anyone know of a easy way i can get this done or point me right direction..?
20:45<chealer>squeaktech: which graphic card driver?
20:45<squeaktech>S3 Chrome 25
20:45<chealer>squeaktech: what's the driver's name?
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20:46<squeaktech>is the driver i got off there website
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20:47<Xenguy>squeaktech: usually fastest to google the error message
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20:47<squeaktech>i tried
20:47<squeaktech>said something about kernel source but I can't figured out how to get that installed either :)
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20:48<Xenguy>sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't :-)
20:48<squeaktech>yeah see I am wanting my 512mb graphics card to work so I can run like cedega and beryl and 3d stuff :)
20:48<witte>squeaktech: apt-cache search linux-source, and then install the one you like
20:48<chealer>squeaktech: which driver do you use?
20:48<cheeseboy>how do i change timezone?
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20:49<witte>cheeseboy: tzconfig iirc
20:49<squeaktech>chealer, right now its on the driver whatever it did whenever it did the install thing
20:49<chealer>squeaktech: well, which driver is that?
20:49<Xenguy>squeaktech: uname -r might help to identify your installed kernel
20:49<squeaktech>will look in xorg file
20:49<squeaktech>1 sec
20:50<squeaktech>its on Vesa right now
20:50<cheeseboy>witte, where are docs on it?
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20:51<Xenguy>cheeseboy: man tzconfig
20:51<chealer>squeaktech: doesn't Debian distribute a more specific driver for your card?
20:51<chealer>squeaktech: (I'm far from familiar with Savage)
20:51<squeaktech>umm not that i know of. I just got that driver out from the website for the manufactor of this car.
20:51<Xenguy>squeaktech: yeah there should be a better driver than vesa
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20:52<squeaktech>well I want a driver that will allow me to run like beryl and stuff like that :)
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20:52<witte>cheeseboy: mmm, could also be tzselect
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20:53<squeaktech>sorry bout that changed screen resolution didn't know it would throw me off :)
20:54<dpkg>resolution is probably How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx
20:54<squeaktech>lol I got it changed :)
20:54<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
20:54<squeaktech>i am just trying to get my driver to work right
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20:55<Xenguy>squeaktech: you need to find the right driver, yes?
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20:55<Xenguy>squeaktech: maybe there is an easier way, but that might be one way
20:55<squeaktech>umm do you know a easier way?
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20:55<Xenguy>squeaktech: backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file first
20:56<Xenguy>squeaktech: assuming you have X installed, isn't there a nice 'display' type GUI in the menu?
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20:56*Xenguy looks...
20:56<squeaktech>i am in gnome
20:56<Xenguy>desktop > preferences > screen resolution
20:56<iury_>witte: i've installed java
20:57<Xenguy>squeaktech: maybe for a first try...
20:57<squeaktech>xenyguy i have the resolution working right :)
20:57<iury_>but mercury still complains
20:57<squeaktech>i am just needing a better driver so I can get 3d
20:57<chealer>squeaktech: what's the card's PCI ID?
20:57<witte>iury_: ls -al /etc/alternatives/java
20:58<Xenguy>squeaktech: oh OK, well I'm honestly not sure anymore - maybe I'm talking to the wrong problem
20:58<iury_>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2008-02-19 22:56 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java
20:58<witte>iury_: if it is not correct, update-alternatives --config java
20:58<squeaktech>the pci for the card is
20:59<squeaktech>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Unknown device 8e48 (rev 11)
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21:00<witte>!tell squeaktech about pciids
21:00<squeaktech>okay did that
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21:01<squeaktech>ran lspci again this time it shows up something more specific
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21:01<squeaktech>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Chrome S27 PCIE (rev 11)
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21:02<squeaktech>any ideas how to get the driver for that card?
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21:04<squeaktech>any idea how to get past the can't build kernel module ?
21:04<iury_>witte: i just haven't figured out the function of inet at the interfaces file
21:04<iury_>iface eth2 inet static
21:04<iury_>why use it?
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21:06<witte>iury_:, section 10.6
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21:07<chealer>squeaktech: when do you get that error?
21:07<squeaktech>during the install
21:07<squeaktech>i click install s3 graphics thing
21:07<squeaktech>and i get this message
21:07<squeaktech> Error! I can't make kernel modules which match your kernel. │
21:07<squeaktech> │ Installation stop!
21:07<squeaktech> Please refer to /var/log/s3setup.log and /var/log/s3build.log
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21:08<iury_>i've seen this, but it doesn't explain the use of 'inet'
21:09<chealer>squeaktech: what does s3build.log contain?
21:09<squeaktech>umm i will look
21:09<witte>iury_: ah, i don't know what that term stands for
21:09<tcsetattr>inet is the address family for the Internet Protocol version 4.
21:09<squeaktech>Makefile:123: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Stop.
21:10<tcsetattr>other families include inet6 (IP version 6) and ipx (the Novell thing)
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21:12<chealer>squeaktech: are you sure you have all the requirements/dependencies of the driver?
21:12<squeaktech>i don't even know what the requirements are for the driver
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21:22<chealer>squeaktech: did you check chapter 2 of the readme?
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21:23<DaCapn>apt-get --purge remove <package> will leave config files for <package> that have been modified right?
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21:24<Xenguy>DaCapn: I thought purge burns the config files?
21:25<blarson>DaCapn: purge removes the config files
21:26<DaCapn>oh, wait, am I thinking of dpkg?
21:27<DaCapn>Yeah I think that what thinking of, the dpkg --purge, thanks guys.
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21:28<Blue>Have a question about what version of Debian Linux to download can someone help me?
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21:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:30<witte>DaCapn: dpkg --purge also removes the config files?
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21:30<witte>Blue: normally you will want the stable distribution, and the netinstall from that one
21:30<witte>Blue: no need to download all DVD iso's
21:30<Ouroboros>hm, any idea why vmware is no longer finding my snapshot, but at the same time not letting me create a new one since the old one is locked?
21:31<DaCapn>but you may want to say what kind of system you have... otherwise no one will know what's best for it
21:31<Blue>whitte: i understand but there are different images and i have intel M processor i still can't get the download to boot from the CD
21:31<witte>Blue: you just need the i386 iso
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21:32<witte>Blue: or do you have a very recent pc?
21:32<Blue>whitte: 2005
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21:33<DaCapn>were you going to suggest the backported images for a newer system or something else?
21:33<witte>Blue: that should be supported by the stable distribution, so just the basis i386, like this one:
21:33<Blue>Thank you very much whitte
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21:34<witte>Blue: in that directory, take the netinst version
21:34<witte>Blue: unless you want to install a pc without internet
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21:35<Blue>whitte: where is the netinst located it's not in this directory
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21:35<squeaktech>Okay I found what the problem is it says I need to either install the kernel development or the kernel source, how would I go about doing that?
21:35<ihtraum>witte: the man-page of apt-get say:
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21:36<ihtraum>witte: --purge
21:36<ihtraum> Use purge instead of remove for anything that would be removed. An asterisk ("*") will be displayed next to packages which are
21:36<ihtraum> scheduled to be purged. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Purge.
21:36<Blue>witte: thanks for helping me
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21:36<witte>squeaktech: apt-cache search linux-source, and install the appropriate one using aptitude or apt-get
21:36<squeaktech>i did that
21:36<squeaktech>still says it isn't there
21:37<witte>ihtraum: yes, but DaCapn seems to think that purge won't remove config files when you use dpkg, i think it will...
21:37<witte>squeaktech: did you unpack the tar.bz2 file in /usr/src
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21:37<ihtraum>witte: apt-get --purge <package> do a complete removal of the package
21:38<squeaktech>how do i unpack it?
21:38<ihtraum>witte: apt-get --purge remove <packeg>
21:38<squeaktech>its tar something
21:38<Ouroboros>squeaktech: tar xfvjp
21:38<ihtraum>witte: hum, using dpkg...
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21:39<squeaktech>it still says no kernel module
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21:39<ihtraum>witte: in the man-page of dpkg say:
21:39<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
21:39<ihtraum>witte: -r, --remove, -P, --purge package...|-a|--pending
21:39<ihtraum>witte: or --purge removes everything, including configuration files
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21:40<witte>ihtraum: yes, i read it, and I know this, but i tried to convince DaCapn of it, so you are talking to the wrong guy ;-)
21:40<ihtraum>witte: soon, dpkg --purge <package> remove config files too
21:41<ihtraum>witte: hum, hehehe... ok
21:41<witte>ihtraum: but thanks anyhow :-)
21:41<DaCapn>I used one once and it didn't remove modified config files or something
21:41<ihtraum>witte: i thought that was a question his/her
21:42<ihtraum>witte: :D
21:42<DaCapn>I asked why it didn't remove them in here and someone said "you must have modified them"
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21:45<squeaktech>debian is really starting to make me mad
21:45<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: what module are you trying to build?
21:45<dezao>openchrome driver video, someone to install succesfully in Debian ? I need help
21:45<squeaktech>my kernel module
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21:45<squeaktech>cause when i try to install my graphic driver it says can't build kernel module
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21:45<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: what kernel module might that be?
21:46<squeaktech>says s3g
21:46<squeaktech>seei go through the install for the driver for my card, it says build s3g, then building kernel module, then says can't build kernel module for my kernel
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21:47<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: why do you think you need to build the kernel module? the via module has had s3g support since sometime around 2.4.20.
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21:47<squeaktech>because the linux isn't allow me to do 3d because it keeps having me use vesa driver
21:48<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: that's because your X configuration is selecting the vesa driver instead of the via driver.
21:48<dezao>hey!! someone ? No ?
21:48<Ouroboros>squeaktech: have you tried just apt-gettting the driver
21:48<chealer>squeaktech: " it still says no kernel module"? since when does it say that?
21:48<squeaktech>no it says Error building kernel module
21:48<squeaktech>so you all think i should pick the via driver?
21:48<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: you don't need to build the kernel module. Your problem is that you're using the wrong driver in Xorg, which is causing you not to have 3d accelleration.
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21:49<chealer>dezao: maybe #debian-br could help you more.
21:49<squeaktech>I am not trying to rebuild my kernel module, the install for the driver for my card, is doing that on its own
21:50<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: why are you using an installer for the driver? the VIA S3 drivers have been distributed in Debian for a very long time.
21:50<squeaktech>okay so I should pick VIA?
21:50<chealer>squeaktech: I don't, but I never used it.
21:50<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: yes.
21:50<squeaktech>i just set it to via
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21:50<chealer>squeaktech: it costs nothing to try, but I think it will fail
21:50<squeaktech>where about to find out
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21:50<dondelelcaro>if you've got a really new unichrome, you'll have to build the unichrome drivers, but that's not too difficult
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21:51<dondelelcaro>unfortunatly, my mythbox which has them built isn't on now
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21:52<dezao>OK, the case is that nobody responds there, then decided to come here for help
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21:53<squeaktech>Nope gripes about No screens found.
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21:54<squeaktech>So anyone have any other suggestions
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21:54<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: then you need to give us the output of lspci for that video card.
21:54<squeaktech>i gave that like five times earlier :P
21:54<dezao>but, tanks for now, Bye
21:54<squeaktech>1 sec
21:54<squeaktech>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Chrome S27 PCIE (rev 11)
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21:55<tcsetattr>but now you're giving it to dondelelcaro. he knows more than us ordinary humans
21:55<squeaktech>lol okay i gave it to him :)
21:55<tcsetattr>although the stuff printed before "No screens found" is probably more interesting.
21:55<Ouroboros>isnt dondelelcaro an eliza robot? :)
21:56<chealer>dondelelcaro: what are you?
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21:56<craigevil>dondelelcaro is god
21:56<squeaktech>well while there thinking about that is there a automatix for debian?
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21:57<craigevil>yes but its crap
21:57<squeaktech>yall suggestions any good programs for debian :)
21:57<Ouroboros>ls and cd are prtty good
21:58<squeaktech>what do they do?
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21:59<chealer>squeaktech: there isn't "a automatix for debian", automatix is for debian (and others). although you shouldn't use it, in all sanity.
21:59<squeaktech>ok :)
21:59<craigevil>unichrome should work with the via driver, at least it does in sid
21:59<chealer>squeaktech: OK. how did you unpack the Linux source?
22:00<squeaktech>i did the tar thingy
22:00<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: are the instructions you want to follow.
22:00<chealer>squeaktech: which tar thingy?
22:00<dondelelcaro>craigevil: depends on the unichrome card, unfortunatly
22:00<dondelelcaro>some of the most recent ones are only supported by the openchrome drivers
22:01<craigevil>yes there is that, i have a VIA , UniChrome Pro IGP and it works ok with it
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22:01<dondelelcaro>yeah, I forget which one I have; IIRC it only recently started working with unstable's unichrome drivers
22:02<dondelelcaro>(or I could still be running the openchrome ones; I can't remember)
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22:04<squeaktech>so dondelelcaro you want me to install all that then rerun the driver install?
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22:08<squeaktech>okay i see brb says for me to go make some tea while i wait
22:08<squeaktech>so that is what I am doing
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22:08<squeaktech>i did all that
22:08<squeaktech>now what?
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22:12<squeaktech>nope open chrome drivers don't work either
22:12<chealer>squeaktech: which tar thingy?
22:12<squeaktech>tar something
22:12<chealer>squeaktech: which something?
22:12<squeaktech>tar xfvjp
22:12<chealer>squeaktech: and what else?
22:12<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: give us the full output of your Xorg log
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22:13<squeaktech>where do i paste it at?
22:14<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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22:16<ihtraum>someone can help me with webcams in the debian?
22:16<ihtraum>i would want a lecture reference... anything more general, generic...
22:17<squeaktech>chealer i type tar xfvjp linux source .tar and it made it into a folder
22:17<ihtraum>i never find somethin generic about
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22:17<chealer>squeaktech: which folder?
22:17<squeaktech>a folder with the words linux source
22:18<squeaktech> linux-source-2.6.18
22:18<dondelelcaro>squeaktech: uh... that's the vesa driver
22:18<squeaktech>maybe its the old xorg
22:18<squeaktech>1 sec
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22:19<squeaktech>try that one
22:19<chealer>squeaktech: where does /usr/src/linux/ point?
22:19<squeaktech>i have no idea
22:19<squeaktech>i type that in cd to it says no directory
22:20<chealer>squeaktech: it doesn't exist. it's just a guess but I think S3's installer will use that, and it should point to your Linux source or headers.
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22:21<squeaktech>so should i rename it to linux instaled of that linux 2.18
22:21<chealer>squeaktech: that may work
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22:22<squeaktech>Bareword "linux" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
22:22<squeaktech>Bareword "source" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
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22:25<squeaktech>how do i rename the folder keeps giving me a error
22:25<chealer>squeaktech: which X session type do you use?
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22:26<chealer>squeaktech: you can use mv as root
22:26<squeaktech>like mkdir linux
22:26<squeaktech>then mv all the files into that folder?
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22:27<squeaktech>got them into the linux directory
22:27<squeaktech>ran install same problem
22:27<squeaktech> Error! I can't make kernel modules which match your kernel. │
22:27<squeaktech> │ Installation stop!
22:27<chealer>squeaktech: it's the log which is interesting
22:27<Requiem>anybody here familiar with good graphics cards to get for wine performance?
22:28<squeaktech>ummm what you mean by interesting?
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22:28<chealer>squeaktech: well, it can explain the error you're getting, so it helps us telling you the problem
22:29<squeaktech>well which log you wanting?
22:29<squeaktech>theres two
22:29<chealer>squeaktech: the same as earlier (build)
22:29<squeaktech>Makefile:123: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Stop.
22:30<chealer>squeaktech: try deleting that linux directory and installing Linux headers for your Linux image.
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22:31<ihtraum>someone can help me with webcams in the debian?
22:31<ihtraum>i would want a lecture reference... anything more general, generic...
22:32<squeaktech>uh oh
22:32<squeaktech>its at building kernel
22:32<squeaktech>same error
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22:36<tcsetattr>your kernel config file, assuming you haven't configured and compiled your own, should be provided by the linux-headers package
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22:37<darkaznmonkey>#compiz-fusion channel
22:38<Requiem>try /join #compiz-fusion
22:38<darkaznmonkey>! compiz-fusion
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22:39<squeaktech>i give my drivers aren't working I am going back to windows
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22:44<octothorp>is there anyway to have bitchx output a command like "/list -yes" to a file?
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22:52<tcsetattr>start logging, then do your /list, then stop logging?
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23:54<dmind>my GUL have a new IRC Channel
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