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00:12<Aleric>Is Google being ddossed or what? It's slow as hell :?
00:13<DaCapn>must be your side fo the fence
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00:24<Aleric>Does anyone have an idea what application might create the (temporary?) files ".new.symlinks." and/or "symlinks.t" ?
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00:31<JustSoul>morning
00:35<JustSoul>How to connect windows-shared-printer?
00:36<JustSoul>etch r2, kde 3.5.5, cups, smbclient, hplip (for net printers)
00:37<amphi>!samba
00:37<dpkg>i heard samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5>
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00:47<sortadi>hi there
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00:47<sortadi>I recently updated my Debian Testing machine and a OOo update to 2.3 came with it
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00:48<sortadi>Now when I try to open impress (.odp) files, OOo crashes
00:48<sortadi>anyone experiencing the same problem?
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00:58<chealer>JustSoul: did you try doing it in kcontrol?
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01:00<zxcvbnm>hayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
01:00<nirmalh>hi
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01:01<zxcvbnm>lu cewe ato cowo
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01:07<JustSoul>chealer: yes,
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01:08<JustSoul>I have probles to find and connect (if I know sever and printer names) shared printers
01:09<JustSoul>It find nothing, and when I write by hand server/printer name - test page didn't printed
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01:14<alaya>JustSoul: you need to know what protocol the printer uses, and then configure it with CUPS
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01:16<alaya>or you can make a guess at the protocol and test it
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01:18<Requiem>here's a question, long time back, I installed flash to my home partition with the thingy built into iceweasel
01:18<Requiem>how do I get rid of it>
01:18<Requiem>?
01:19<AbacusMonkey>its usually just a single file put into the .mozilla directory
01:20<AbacusMonkey>like libflash or something
01:20<AbacusMonkey>prob just find that and delete
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01:20<alaya>isnt there a thing in iceweasel to remove thingies?
01:20<jm_>Requiem: ls ~/.iceweasel/plugins or so
01:20<AbacusMonkey>perhaps
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01:20<Requiem>cool
01:20<jm_>or ~/.mozilla or whatever
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02:08<nirmalh_>hi all
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02:17*JustSoul made it!
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02:21<pwncore>:/# vsftpd
02:21<pwncore>500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
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02:22<kvoelker>q
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02:22<pwncore>anyone know what this could be? overly restrictive firewall? i thought i gave ftp the green light
02:23<Slydder>morning all
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02:23<pwncore>mornin slydder
02:23<pwncore>it's 11:30 pm here
02:23<jm_>!tell pwncore -about yesno
02:23<Slydder>then evening to you. lol
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02:24<pwncore>dpkg has been hitting the jargon file, i see ;)
02:24<pwncore>ok, what is the issue
02:25<jm_>pwncore: something else holding the port - how did you configure vsftpd?
02:25<pwncore>i really didn't, but i haven't had any other ftp services running since i installed linux
02:25<jm_>look in vsftpd.conf
02:26<pwncore>i did run bastille lately and i may have configured it to be a little tighter than i thought
02:26<pwncore>oh, i just ran through that actually
02:26<pwncore>i didn't see anything i thought useful
02:26<jm_>listen= directive
02:26<pwncore>yes
02:26<pwncore>i put yes, i mean, or rather it was already there
02:26<jm_>then see what's holding the por t- netstat -nap|grep 21
02:27<bgat>will the current snapshots of the installer do root-on-md0 properly?
02:27<pwncore>errr
02:27<bgat>I keep getting hung up with the installer not being able to find grub...
02:27<pwncore>looks like it's vsftpd lol
02:27<jm_>so already running
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02:27<pwncore>i guess it must've started running when i installed it
02:27<pwncore>funny
02:28<gonzo>how to limit user account so they cannot use network?
02:28<jm_>that's what typically happens in Debian when you install daemons - can be adjusted by changing the policy
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02:29<pwncore>ok, thanks
02:29<jm_>gonzo: you can use iptables owner module for example
02:29<gonzo>thks, thats sounds like a good approach
02:30<gonzo>how to limit user account so they cannot use usb flash device?
02:30<jm_>permissions
02:30<gonzo>like group perms?
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02:31<gonzo>facl?
02:31<jm_>that's one option yes
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02:33<gonzo>so you can setup facl or group perms for a specific device?
02:34<jm_>mount with the right gid sounds easier
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02:35<gonzo>yeah, okay.
02:35<gonzo>would that be possible for a network card as well?
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02:36<jm_>owner module supports GID matching too if that's what you mean
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02:37<gonzo>Honestly, I'm not sure what I mean, I'm just trying to get an idea of how specifically a device an be controlled
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02:39<gonzo>it came up in a group discussion today and it seemed like there would be a way to do it on a per user basis but I couldn't think come up with it.
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02:40<pwncore>i can't seem to serve ftp in either windows or linux
02:40<pwncore>have i been coxblocked by my isp?
02:40<jm_>then there are things like SELinux, RSBAC, Tomoyo, SMACS - perhaps it can be achieved with those too
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02:40<jm_>pwncore: http://www.ncftp.com/ncftpd/doc/misc/ftp_and_firewalls.html
02:41<pwncore>thanks
02:43<gonzo>I've spend most of my time thinking in terms of more access rather than less. Thanks for your insight
02:43<jm_>no worries
02:44<JustSoul>!fax
02:44<dpkg>Well, apperantly the fax was concieved of by Napoleon Bonaparte. He commissioned a system of devices that could transmit a traced image electrically over telegraph lines to a remote device that would redraw the image identically.
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02:44<JustSoul>What KDE program for sending faxes??
02:44<pwncore>isn't there something called kfax or some such thing
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02:46<gonzo>Thanks jm_
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02:47<Efrem>Rus where?
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02:48<lockoff>I think I put bad souces into sources list and then apt screwed up the gdm. How can I reinstall the right GDM?
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02:48<JustSoul>pwncore: it's for viewing fax files
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02:49<JustSoul>!ru
02:49<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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02:49<lockoff>!cs
02:49<dpkg>hmm... cs is computer science , or counter strike
02:49<lockoff>!cz
02:49<dpkg>i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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02:50<lockoff>can someone help me?
02:51<kmap>lockoff: Why are you unable to erinstall gdm>
02:51<kmap>*reinstall gdm?
02:51<lockoff>lack of knowledge
02:51<kmap>lockoff: Are you on Etch?
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02:51<lockoff>yea
02:52<kmap>lockoff: OK. Ensure that your sources.list has just one line enabled (uncommented)
02:52<lockoff>which one :-)
02:52<kmap>e.g. deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free
02:52<kmap>de can be something else
02:52<kmap>http can be ftp etc.
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02:54<lockoff>when I do that, should I run apt-get reinstall gdm?
02:54<kmap>No
02:54<kmap>First run apt-get update
02:55<kmap>THen do apt-get install gdm
02:56<lockoff>its on this computer so Ill have to reboot (Im in Win now)
02:56<kmap>OK
02:56<kmap>Try it and get back to us
02:57<lockoff>will
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03:05<JustSoul>How to send faxes from kde?
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03:12<d3v1ous>hello , something can say me netinstall.iso from debian.org with what version of kernel recive
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03:12<d3v1ous>?
03:13<jm_>depends which debian release it's for
03:14<d3v1ous>?
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03:16<d3v1ous>i just want to say me 2.6.17 or something
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03:25<JustSoul>efax: 13:39 Error: can't open serial port /dev/modem: No such file or directory
03:25<lockoff>some dependecies are not met, apt told me to run -f install and that returned something about libgconf symbol lookup error
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03:31<lockoff>kmap: ping
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03:31<kmap>lockoff: Hi
03:31<kharn|work>hi all :)
03:31<kmap>lockoff: Any progress?
03:32<kharn|work>pwncore, do you ever sleep !? :P
03:32<lockoff>some dependecies are not met, apt told me to run -f install and that returned something about libgconf symbol lookup error
03:32<kmap>OK, did you do that?
03:32<kmap>Oh, my
03:32<kmap>Well, I really can't think of anything better...
03:32<lockoff>i found similar problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-153670.html
03:32<kmap>I see.
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03:33<tonio>lu'
03:33<kmap>You might want to try the options there.
03:33<lockoff>but wasnt upgrading distro. Just first online update
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03:34<kmap>:-(
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03:34<radoo>hello! a question: is it possible to reinstall grub after a windows installation? if yes, how? thank you!
03:34<lockoff>at the end they say I should remove faulty package with dpkg thats preventing apt from reinstaling it. how do I find out which one?
03:35<gsimmons>!tell radoo -about fixmbr
03:35<lockoff>I could pastebin you some logs if you think itll help
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03:35<kmap>Well, I am not sure...
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03:36<lockoff>Xorg.0.log reports some bad font folder sources, think X11 and so
03:36<kmap>You could just try forcefully removing the package which causes the issue, and use apt to fix thins
03:36<lockoff>and truetype also
03:36<kmap>lockoff: You can try installing x-window-system-core gnome-core
03:36<kmap>And then kdm/gdm
03:37<radoo>what does this mean: "then mount your root filesystem"? c
03:37<radoo>c:\ or g:\-the linux partition?
03:39<lockoff>so is there some package checking tool?
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03:40<kmap>lockoff: apt is supposed to resolve these dependencies itself. I am unsure how you got into this mess, but most likely cause is unreliable external repository
03:40<kmap>So, if you are able to remove the package(s) causing trouble and reinstall the same from official repos, you should be back on track
03:41<radoo>how can i find which /sda contains my linux install?
03:41<kmap>radoo: If you are on Linux, try typing mount
03:42<radoo>just "mount"?
03:42<kmap>Yes, but you seem to be not on Windows
03:42<radoo>yes, i am on linux- i used the supergrub floppy
03:42<lockoff>how do I find out which ones to remove? all Xorg, gdm, and all thoses?
03:43<kmap>lockoff: Unsure, but use apt-get install -f, and remove the first package which causes trouble while removing
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03:43<kmap>radoo: then try fdisk -l /dev/sda
03:43<kmap>radoo: That lists the partitions available, and you may be able to identify your root
03:44<radoo>ok, thank you
03:44<lockoff>how do I see it if it scrolls off screen?
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03:44<kmap>lockoff: Use |less
03:44<kmap>lockoff: apt-get <...>|less
03:44<lockoff>thnx
03:44<kmap>Welcome.
03:45<lockoff>will return
03:45<kmap>lockoff: OK. All the best!
03:47<kharn|work>whats the fastest way to move an install to a larger drive?
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03:47<kharn|work>if there is a fast way... :P
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03:49<jm_>kharn|work: copy it over
03:49<jm_>i.e. hard disk upgrade howto is very much still OK
03:49<jm_>!hd to hd
03:49<jm_>!cp hd to hd
03:49<dpkg>cp -ax, read the man page aswell, or cd /from && find . | cpio -pdumv /to or "rsync -axHS /from/. /to/.", where "/from/." can be "root@other-machine:/from/.""/to/." can be "root@other-machine:/to/.", or cp -ax /from/. /to/. (also read the man page) Ask me about <onedisktoanother>
03:51<kharn|work>!onedisktoanother
03:51<dpkg>See this : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/OneDiskToAnother
03:51<kharn|work>cheers jm
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03:53<radoo>in the command "mount -t ext3 /dev/whatever /target" what means "target"?any directory?
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04:01<kapil>jm_: dpkg (and most write ups) do not mention the use of bind-mounts to copy filesystems (like root with devfs/udev).
04:01<jm_>kapil: why would bind mounts matter?
04:02<kapil>imho, copying root should be done as follows. mount --bind / /root/source; mount /dev/sda1 /root/target; find+cpio pipeline. this way /dev gets copied "correctly".
04:02<jm_>it doesn't really matter, cp copies /dev correctly
04:03<kapil>otherwise you end up excluding /dev entirely and you have to create std devices "by hand" (if you are running udev).
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04:03<radoo>i have problems with the "root" command on the grub shell...the linux device is sda4...what should be the sintax of the root command?
04:04<kapil>the /dev that cp copies is not the /dev on the original filesystem if udev or devfs is running.
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04:04<jm_>that's hidden in /dev/.static/dev so ...
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04:05<jm_>radoo: probably (hd0,3)
04:05<niru>jm_, hello
04:05<niru>I have a nokia N80 series
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04:06<radoo>thank you
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04:07<niru>jm_, r u there
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04:08<radoo>thank you- i hope i didn't screwed things up....i guess i'll notice that after reboot...:) see you!
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04:09<lockoff>kmap: when I try to remove libgnome2-common it says that the package is inconsistan and I should reinstall it. when I try to, it says its not there to install :-/
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04:11<lockoff>kmap: ping
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04:12<Ouroboros>is it possible to get "bad mirror" errors from the installer due to not having a swap partition?
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04:12<xpwncore>anyone know of a public imaze server around?
04:12<xpwncore>does such a thing exist?
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04:13<lockoff>our: dont think so
04:13<Ouroboros>ok, will try again
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04:13<jm_>Ouroboros: try looking on other ttys for installer messages (tty3 or 4 IIRC)
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04:13-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@ingnat-193.unime.it] has quit [Quit: http://www.OScene.net Take a look ;)]
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04:14<Ouroboros>oh
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04:14<Ouroboros>didnt realize that was possible
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04:15<Ouroboros>is the installer essentially a live cd?
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04:16<lockoff>dont think so
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04:16<lockoff>my installer wasnt
04:16<Ouroboros>also, is the installer supposed to run with a real GUI? it looks like it tries to load it but then gives up and goes to ncurses
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04:17<lockoff>it should
04:18<Ouroboros>maybe its failing due to vmware
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04:18<alaya>why is it taking hours for the installer to finish setting up in a kvm vm?
04:18<alaya>qemu process is taking 100% CPU
04:19-!-mode/#debian [+l 327] by debhelper
04:19<Ouroboros>what stage is it in?
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04:19<JustSoul>!mirror
04:19<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
04:19<alaya>"Installing the kernel - retreiving and installing..."
04:19<lockoff>maybe got into a loop
04:19<alaya>i cannot ctrl-alt-f2 in the vm becasue Xorg intercepts it
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04:20<alaya>i don't think its a loop because an earlier stage also took a really long time
04:20<jm_>alaya: how about just alt-f2?
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04:20<alaya>jm_: no effect
04:21<Ouroboros>alaya: i havent had problems there, but i have had it freeze at various other stages under win32 vmware (linux vmware is usually fine though)
04:21<jm_>alaya: last time I used qemu it allowed me to use ctrl-alt combinations
04:21<lockoff>maybe its simulating some hardware error :-)
04:21<alaya>jm_: ctrl-alt-1,2, etc. gives you alternate qemu consoles, but not the installer console
04:21<lockoff>did you overclock the vm simulatedCPU :-)
04:21<Ouroboros>heh
04:22<alaya>noDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0 qemu -soundhw es1370 -net nic -net tap,vlan=0 ,ifname=kvm0,script=/etc/kvm/kvm-ifup -boot d -cdrom /mnt/data1/iso/debian/debian-40r1 -i386-netinst.iso -hda debian_etch-01.qimg -m 300 &
04:22<alaya>oops that should be SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0
04:22<alaya>maybe should have allocated more RAM for the install? 300M too low?
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04:23<kapil>alaya: its probably too late now but using "console=/dev/ttyS0" along with -nographic makes the whole install independent of sdl.
04:23*alaya takes notes...
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04:24<kapil>you can then start in graphic mode later if you really want X inside the qemu.
04:24<jm_>alaya: no, alt-f1 etc. work for me for changing consoles, but not ctrl-alt
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04:25<kharn|work>Ouroboros, remember that guy I was talking about last nite? "i've been on the internet since 1960" ...
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04:25<alaya>maybe the SDL option is messing it up
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04:25<KebiaAWAY>Hello
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04:25<alaya>i forget why i needed it before
04:25<Kebianizao|work>is sarge still supported?
04:25<Ouroboros>kharn|work: yeah?
04:25<kharn|work>he called again today ...
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04:26<kharn|work>he was having "slow speeds" .. on his adsl
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04:26<kharn|work>completely blames us for having too many users
04:26<jm_>Kebianizao|work: Latest DSA for it was released on jan 21st so it looks like it is
04:26<kharn|work>has nothing to do with the fact that he is like 4.5 k's from the exchange :P
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04:27<Ouroboros>heh... i hate when people say "slow/fast speed"... or even worse "high rate of speed"
04:28<kharn|work>I took a screenshot of my case notes and set it as my background .... whenever I think I'm dealing with an idiot ... I can look at that and realise that well ... they can't be as dumb as him :P
04:28<alaya>how about "geschwindigkeit"?
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04:28<jm_>actually that's a lie, it was released on feb 1x too
04:28<Ouroboros>hehe
04:28<Ouroboros>kharn|work: he is probably just trolling... send him a picture of long cat
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04:29<kharn|work>Ouroboros, or the picture of the rabbit with pancake ...
04:29<kharn|work>:P
04:29<kharn|work>http://deadon.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rabbit_pancake.jpg
04:30*Ouroboros googles
04:30<lockoff>can I run a debian instalation over an existing debian?
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04:30<Ouroboros>awesome
04:30<kharn|work>:) best pic ever
04:30<Kebianizao|work>thanks jm_
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04:31<kapil>lockoff: you want to over-write an existing debian install?
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04:32<lockoff>just fix bad packages
04:32<Ouroboros>kharn|work: reminds me of this one: http://www.419eater.com/images/trophy_room/kothapalli_rao.jpg
04:32<kharn|work>ROFL!!!!
04:32<kharn|work>never seen that before
04:32<Ouroboros>(and many others like it)
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04:33<Ouroboros>yeah check the gallery on there, some pretty awesome stuff in there
04:33<kapil>lockoff: you mean something like "apt-get -f install"?
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04:33<lockoff>kapil: that fails
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04:34<kapil>lockoff: so what exactly is the problem?
04:35<lockoff>cannot start gdm and apt is unable to fix broken packages
04:35<kharn|work>give me something to do for the next few hours i guess :) ...
04:35<Kebianizao|work>bye
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04:36<kapil>lockoff: paste the output of "apt-get -f install" to the pastebin
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04:36<Ouroboros>kharn|work: this is my other favorite: http://www.419eater.com/images/trophy_room/samuel_eze3.jpg
04:36<lockoff>when I try to remove them manualy it tels me to reinstall them before
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04:37<lockoff>kapil: how am I supposed to copy text from the command line ?
04:37<lockoff>its on the other partition. now Im in win
04:38<lockoff>I can pastebin some logs. where are the apt logs?
04:38<alaya>Ouroboros, what's so odd about phlembootlleizing a fish using a plastic container and the bread-on-head method?
04:39<kapil>lockoff: there is /var/log/dpkg.log which is a detailed report of every dpkg operation (and so it is huge!)
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04:40<kharn|work>bash.org is what usually keeps me going .. I started reading it from #1 up about ... 2 months ago ...
04:40<Ouroboros>heh
04:40<kapil>lockoff: in principle, dpkg has "--force-..." options but these should be used only in dire circumstances. are your circumstances dire enough?
04:41<Ouroboros>kharn|work: you should refer your 1960's friend to "the google": http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/google_launches_the_google
04:41<kharn|work>i heard that if you type google into google ... you will break the universe ... kinda like dividing by zero
04:42<dondelelcaro>lockoff: with a mouse, or by redirecting to a file and posting that.
04:42<Ouroboros>nah, google solves the halting problem
04:42<dondelelcaro>using --force- generally isn't the solution (and if it is, we'll tell you *exactly* which force option to use)
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04:44<lockoff>I dont know the stregth of the word "dire"
04:45<kharn|work>Ouroboros, you have successfully made everyone in the office laugh with "the google" .. :P
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04:45<kapil>lockoff: use "script" from the command line to generate a log of your actions as root. this is generally a good policy.
04:45<kapil>the log will be in "typescript" by default.
04:45<Ouroboros>lockoff: remember that band Dire Straits? its like that, only more dire
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04:46<lockoff>so I use comman script and then do whatever and it asves into a logfile? do I have to specify it?
04:47<kapil>"script filename" will write to filename.
04:47<lockoff>ok
04:48<lockoff>ill be back
04:48<Ouroboros>jm_: awesome, never realized installer had multiple TTYs... (although it did not solve my problem)
04:48<kharn|work>that what the terminator said
04:48<kharn|work>w00t .. lunch o'clock
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04:48<alaya>Ouroboros: do you know about pttbt.ca?
04:48<kharn|idle>i will never go to a .ca site ...
04:49<kharn|idle>(again)
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04:49<xpwncore>never go to a .ca site?
04:49<xpwncore>why not
04:49<Ouroboros>alaya: no, 'tsat?
04:49<kharn|idle>.. someone directed me to raunch.ca and smegma.ca .... i suggest you do NOT go to these sites ..
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04:49<kharn|idle>neway ... food
04:50<xpwncore>kharn|idle you do realize, don't you, that .ca just means canada
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04:50<xpwncore>that's like refusing to visit .com sites because of macory
04:51<xpwncore>anyway, to be perfectly frank, when someone directs you to a site called "raunch" or "smegma" you should be fairly aware of what you're gtting yourself into
04:51<ServerSide>kharn|idle: pastebin.ca omhg horror ;)
04:51<Ouroboros>heh
04:54<xpwncore>ServerSide DUDE you are SICK
04:54<xpwncore>that is NOT FUNNY
04:54<xpwncore>pastebins killed my father
04:54<Ouroboros>xpwncore: got X finally, eg?
04:55<xpwncore>and raped my mother :(
04:55<Ouroboros>*eh
04:55<xpwncore>Ouroboros i've always had it
04:55<xpwncore>i just don't particularly like it unless i'm playing games
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04:55<xpwncore>or unless i just finished a gaming session and i'm too lazy to go back to the console
04:55<Ouroboros>nic
04:55<Ouroboros>do you like ksokoban?
04:55<xpwncore>can't say i've played it
04:56<Ouroboros>its decent, as sokobans go
04:56<xpwncore>last time i played sokoban, i was in nethack and my horse died
04:56<xpwncore>i have traumatic memories :(
04:56<xpwncore>in all seriousness, i use waimea as my wm, and it has neither bells nor whistles. i mostly run console apps in it anyway (like bitchx), for example, and i basically use it as a 9-tty pretty-console
04:57<weasel>ewww. bx.
04:57<weasel>good thing it was removed from debian.
04:57<xpwncore>anyway, my library of x games is massive, and it'll take a while to try them all. the menu takes up the entire vertical space of two desktops
04:57<xpwncore>weasel ....no it wasn't
04:57<niru>hi xpwncore
04:57<xpwncore>unless you mean in lenny or sid
04:57<xpwncore>hi niru
04:58<niru>xpwncore, I have a nokia phone
04:58<weasel>xpwncore: that's what I meant.
04:58<xpwncore>ah
04:58<weasel>xpwncore: high time we get rid of it completely
04:58<xpwncore>lame
04:58<niru>its connected to debian system with a usb cable
04:58<weasel>broken piece of bad software.
04:58<xpwncore>niru: nice
04:58<niru>but I dont see its mounted anywhere
04:58<niru>xpwncore, the device is not getting detected
04:58<xpwncore>i know nothing about these things, unfortunately
04:59<xpwncore>nokia phones, and i'm surprised yours has a usb cable, unless you're mocking me or something
05:00<niru>xpwncore, I mean its connected to the system using a cable
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05:00<xpwncore>i've never connected a phone to a computer. my phone is a little old.
05:01<xpwncore>actually there were plenty of phones that connected to computers when mine came out, it was just a lower-end one. and i don't have internet access on it either although i could buy it
05:04<kapil>niru: tail /var/log/messages and see if the usb system said anything about this connection.
05:05<Ouroboros>interesting, the network autoconfiguration is no longer working properly... either vmware needs a reset or something wrong with r3 isp
05:05<Ouroboros>*iso
05:05<kharn|idle>yeh i shoulda thought about the prefixes to those sites ...
05:05<niru>kapil, usb 1-2: bad CDC descriptors
05:05<niru>kapil, new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 18
05:06<niru>Kalessin, cdc_acm 1-2:1.8: ttyACM0: USB Alam_Linux
05:06<niru>kapil, cdc_acm 1-2:1.8: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
05:07<Ouroboros>is dhclient supposed to modify /etc/resolv.conf?
05:07<kapil>niru: that means your phone is being picked up as a "modem" not a usb_storage device
05:07<xpwncore>why are you directing your messages to semi-random people, niru? i don't understand
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05:07<Ouroboros>xpwncore: using tab complete :)
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05:07<niru>kapil, then how to make it as usb_storage
05:07<xpwncore>i know how, silly, that's not what i asked ;)
05:07<Ouroboros>ah :)
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05:08<xpwncore>Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
05:09<niru>kapil, how you came to know that it is being detected as modem
05:09<kapil>niru: the "tty" part of the device is a dead giveaway. besides, i have a motorola which does exactly that.
05:10<niru>kapil, how to do for usb_storage instaed of modem
05:10<Ouroboros>so i think my problem is that dhclient is not overwriting /etc/resolv.conf, how can i trace why?
05:11<Ouroboros>(it does set the ip though)
05:11<kapil>niru: my phone can't switch. some other phones have a setting to get them to switch.
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05:11<niru>kapil, ok
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05:14<kapil>niru: the phone modem is useful while travelling as you can use it via as a GPRS modem if your ISP gives you that feature.
05:14<AbsintheSyringe>in grub, after I have selected which kernel I wanna use, I first get 5-10 seconds of blank screen before I see anything is actually booting - debian testing, ext3
05:15<xpwncore>too much absinthe, i'm thinking
05:15<xpwncore>or it could be laced with something. better send the rest to me for testing.
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05:16<AbsintheSyringe>heh, not today, seriously, first I get blank screen with no reason, before I see anything booting
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05:19<kapil>AbsintheSyringe: are you using a text console or a frame-buffer console?
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05:19<TurboX>hello
05:19<TurboX>i have problem with vsftpd
05:19<AbsintheSyringe>kapil, frame-buffer
05:20<TurboX>i can't login
05:20<lockoff>I got the terminal log at pastebin http://pastebin.com/m4671b3a2
05:20<kapil>that explains it then. the time taken is for the frame-buffer to initialise. the 5-10 seconds is probably subjective and is really more like 1-2 seconds.
05:20<jm_>vsftpd doesn't allow local logins by default in Debian
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05:21<TurboX>what I must do ?
05:21<xpwncore>TurboX you should take a gander at /etc/vsftpd.conf
05:21<xpwncore>you'll be able to turn local logins on there
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05:21<TurboX>anonymous_enable=YES
05:21<TurboX>local_enable=YES
05:21<TurboX>write_enable=YES
05:21<TurboX>local_umask=022
05:21<TurboX>xferlog_enable=YES
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05:22<xpwncore>!tell turbox about pastebin
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05:22<kapil>AbsintheSyringe: if you are planning to do your work in X and don't care for splashy eye-candy boots you can disable the frame-buffer.
05:22<xpwncore>TurboX , don't you have comments in there explaining each option?
05:22<TurboX>no
05:22<xpwncore>how strange
05:23<xpwncore>did you compile it yourself?
05:23<AbsintheSyringe>kapil, ok, is there any other workaround except turning it off in kernel, and recompiling kernel?
05:23<TurboX>it's from apt-get
05:23<xpwncore>are you running lenny or something?
05:23<lockoff>kapil: the apt and startx logs are at http://pastebin.com/m4671b3a2
05:23<TurboX>etch
05:23<xpwncore>weird
05:23<xpwncore>i just installed it from apt and it has comments
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05:23<xpwncore>well, let me post mine on pastebin, ok, and then you can replace yours with that and then tweak it to your needs if you like
05:24<kapil>AbsintheSyringe: usually, if you use a stock Debian kernel then the frame-buffer is enabled in the grub command-line.
05:24<TurboX>http://pastebin.com/m28081738
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05:25<kapil>lockoff: looking ...
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05:25<xpwncore>hrm, is there a pastebin site that doesn't have those numbers in the output
05:25<xpwncore>!pastebin
05:25<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
05:26<lockoff>ok
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05:26<lockoff>which pastebin yall prefer?
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05:27<xpwncore>it don't matter none, but paste.lisp.org doesn't output numbers in front, so it's nice if we need to copy from yours
05:27<xpwncore>http://paste.lisp.org/display/56195
05:27<TurboX>!pastebin
05:27<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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05:27<jm_>xpwncore: another yes/no question - yes
05:27<xpwncore>TurboX you can go there and copy that into your /etc/vsftpd.conf wholesale
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05:28<xpwncore>jm_, if you're going to be a grammar stickler, note that i didn't include a question mark, so for all you know it could've been a statement
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05:28<lockoff>do al bins support synthax higlight?
05:28<TurboX>i solved problem
05:28<xpwncore>TurboX the one in the link i just gave has comments that explain what they do. i recommend reading them all fairly carefully
05:28<TurboX>work
05:28<TurboX>i don't have files
05:29<kapil>lockoff: i've never see this 'gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4: undefined symbol: g_slice_alloc0' before so you should ask others to look as well.
05:29<TurboX>#/etc/vsftpd.chroot_list
05:29<TurboX>thanks for help :]
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05:29<xpwncore>np
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05:30<jm_>xpwncore: this has got nothing to do with grammar
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05:30<kapil>lockoff: just a clarification. how did you get to the current state?
05:30<niru>jm_, how can i cut two columns from dpkg -l output
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05:31<xpwncore>jm, ah, c'mon, it's a shibboleth if it's anything
05:31<Ouroboros>niru: use 'cut'
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05:32<xpwncore>it's cute, i'll grant
05:32<jm_>niru: cut or awk or perl or sed ...
05:33<lockoff>added tings into sources list, then apt update and then tried to install some package thru synaptic
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05:33<lockoff>some more packages got checked for upgrade
05:35*w0t brb
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05:36<lockoff>maybe I should work as error generetor for exploiters
05:36<noflash>!tell w0t -about away
05:37<lockoff>!tell lockoff -about away
05:38<xpwncore>you can just use !away or /msg dpkg away
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05:39<kapil>lockoff: here is a possible way out (but be wary!). "aptitude download libgconf2-4" to download a new version of libgconf2-4 to the current directory. then use dpkg to install it.
05:39<kapil>lockoff: after that the error with libgconf may go away.
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05:41<lockoff>and in Xorg log there are some errors about bad font sources
05:41<lockoff>fontst are included in taht pkg?
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05:42<kapil>lockoff: forget those for the time being. you need to get your /var/lib/dpkg in a sane state before you worry about X.
05:42<lockoff>ok
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05:46<lockoff>do I have to specify to which direectory I need to download?
05:47<Ouroboros>nigh
05:47<Ouroboros>t
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05:48<lockoff>will be back
05:49<kapil>lockoff: create a new empty directory with "mktemp -d" just to be safe
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06:07<AbsintheSyringe>is there a way so my boot/console is kept in vga-791 or 773 or whatever, but so there's no framebuffer
06:08<AbsintheSyringe>with nofb it start booting immediately but with vga-791 just because of the resolution takes 10 secs before it starts booting
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06:18<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: which FB driver are you using?
06:19<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, i810
06:19<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: tried using vesa instead?
06:19<lockoff>does anyone want to look at gdm starrting problem? http://pastebin.com/m4671b3a2
06:20<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, I need i810 once it booted, so that's why I didn't try
06:20<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: why do you need it?
06:20<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, compiz-fusion
06:21<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: why would that need FB driver?
06:21<jm_>lockoff: sounds similar to #359264
06:21<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, you're talking about xorg right?
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06:22<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: yes
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06:22<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, well I'm gonna try
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06:24<develtiie>hello, I have to mount a NAS with NFS. I try this : mount -t nfs 192.168.0.5:/nethdd/public nas/, but I have this msg : mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.0.5' failed: System Error: Connection refused. HOw can I give the login and the pasword for NFS ?
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06:25<jm_>connection refused means nothing is listening - are you sure that's the right IP?
06:26<lockoff>!paste
06:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:26<lockoff>:-D
06:28<develtiie>jm_, thank it's ok know. It was a bad nas configuration
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06:36<lockoff>jm_:Bug#359264 has not been answered yet :-/
06:36<jm_>lockoff: it has - new version of glib solved it
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06:37<lockoff>so I should upgrade glib?
06:37<jm_>which Debian version are you using?
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06:38<lockoff>can I find it somewhere in filesystem?
06:38<jm_>cat /etc/debian/version and also look in sources.list
06:38<jm_>!debian version
06:38<dpkg>To determine which version of debian you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "lenny/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
06:38<jm_>^^^^^^
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06:44<JustSoul>!etch-backports
06:44<TurboX>i need help
06:45<TurboX>i need to page on one apache serwer
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06:45<TurboX>on ports 80 and 81
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06:46<TurboX>http://pastebin.com/d593586dc
06:46<TurboX>config apache http://pastebin.com/d593586dc
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06:46<JustSoul>What is "etch-backports"?
06:47<jm_>!backports
06:47<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
06:47<JustSoul>thx
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06:48<clone>I had some hardware troubles with Linux that I think are related to shutdown scripts, I don't need a fix, I am just wondering if Linux caused it, and why, and how to prevent in future. First, my computer would automatically reboot everytime I would shutdown and so I would have to pull the plug to turn it off. Second, another computer, I shut my computer off and then when I restart, the screen say it can't operate at this resolution or somet
06:48<clone>hing, and then when I shutdown and try to start, the computer won't start anymore
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06:49<jm_>how do you shutdown when it reboots?
06:49<JustSoul>.msg dpkg simple sid backport
06:49<clone>jm_, shutdown -h now, or using gnome
06:50<jm_>clone: odd, does "reboot" kernel option help?
06:51<clone>jm_, not sure, well I don't have that computer anymore, I traded for another one, and it won't start now, it is hardware issue, I guess power supply. Well, at least its not so bad as a harddrive failure, like with Windows
06:52<clone>jm_ if I unplug harddrive, cdrom and floppy, it work, but if I plug them back in it starts for 5secs and shutsdown. THat means powersupply is weak eh? Or could be motherboard is shortcurcuit?
06:53<TurboX>please help me with config apache server
06:53<TurboX>two page on virtualhosts
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06:53<TurboX>;/
06:53<BoBo>hy
06:53<TurboX>hy
06:53<BoBo>where is nameserver.conf ?
06:53<jm_>clone: hmm could be, but those 3 don't need a lot of power
06:53<TurboX>!/etc/reslov.conf ??
06:54<jm_>clone: is cooling working?
06:54<BoBo>txs
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06:54<BoBo>TurboX:
06:54<clone>jm_, fans work, well I took one out, I don't know if it was working before?
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06:55<drone77>TurboX, this is #debian - try #apache?
06:55<jm_>clone: you could look while turning on the power, but be careful
06:55<clone>jm_, the fan that is on case with tunnel over cpu, I took it off to clean the dust, and then when I was trying to reattach it, I broke to plastic clip, so I left it off
06:55<jm_>clone: the most impprtant is the fan on CPU/gfx. card if it has it
06:56<clone>jm_, that fan works
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06:56<TurboX>ok
06:56<jm_>clone: can you get in bios? tried resetting all settings to factory defaults?
06:56<bulent>is there anybody in there turkish ubuntu user
06:57<jm_>bulent: this is for Debian, not for Ubuntu
06:57<clone>jm_, no, it just starts for 5 secs then shutdowns, but if I unplug everything I can, well I never tried, but it stays on and it say nothing to boot, so I am sure I can get into bios
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06:57<jm_>clone: try connecting just the disk
06:58<bulent>thx jm. bye the debian world
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06:58<jm_>clone: also try #hardware here or on freenode, maybe people there will have more ideas
06:58<clone>jm_, Even if I connect only the floppy, it still shutsdown, and I even tried just the harddrive
06:58<jm_>clone: now that's bizarre
06:58<clone>jm_, ok, thanks
06:59<clone>jm_, must be some jumper setting maybe or something, ,maybe some sabatosh
06:59<jm_>clone: but then it would happen with everything disconnected too
07:00<TurboX>on #apache
07:00<clone>jm_, yeah thats true, then it must be a motherboard short circuit, or some capacitor issue
07:01<TurboX>i need help with this virtualhost on apache
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07:03<Ashok>hi friends
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07:04<Ashok>i am using debian
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07:21<Baggy2>When I insert my compact disk, only the first partition gets automounted. I've tried mounting the second disk with mount -t auto /dev/sdc2 /mnt/flash and so on, but nothing seems to work.. its a linux filesystem, but fdisk -l /dev/sdc doesn't tell me which.. suggestions?
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07:22<Baggy2>Thats a compact flash disk and I meant the second partition :)
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07:28<pbn>Hi there... the weekly builds of lenny aren't quite weekly, the last one on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ is from Feb 11 ... would be nice if they could be updated ...
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07:30<themill>!tell pbn about multiple ask
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07:38<john_>I'm trying to use the lenny netinst image and the grub install is failing - is this something anyone can help me with?
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07:39<_fang>hello. what is the kernel version that is used in stable now, i'm about to download it and i want to know if testing comes with a newer one
07:40<john_>BTW the LILO install fails too :-| - I'm thinking it's not grub
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07:42<shellclear>somebody could help me?
07:42<shellclear>ReiserFS: hdc6: Using r5 hash to sort names
07:43<shellclear>failed!
07:43<shellclear>somebody could help me?
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07:43<shellclear>with this problem?
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07:45<styx-tdo>hi, mysql-server 5.0.51a-3; replication: error on one slave: Error 'There is no 'root'@'%' registered' on query. - does this ring any bells?
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07:46<Slydder>anyone using multi-gnome-terminal?
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07:51<pbn>themill: ah, sorry :/
07:51<shellclear>ReiserFS: hdc6: Using r5 hash to sort names
07:51<shellclear>failed!
07:51<shellclear>somebody could help me?
07:51<pumpkin0>shellclear: why the hell did you use reiser ?
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07:53<shellclear>pumpkin0, i like it
07:53<shellclear>pumpkin0, what is the better?
07:53<pumpkin0>shellclear: it breaks more ofter then any other system. I had betas of XFS working longer and faster ...
07:54<pumpkin0>shellclear: even the ntfs-g3-driver seems more stable.
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07:55<shellclear>ok
07:56<shellclear>pumpkin0, more what it is happening?
07:56<JohnGH>Sorry, my session locked up before so I couldn't see if anyone answered. I'm trying to use the netinst daily build to install on a laptop, and the grub-install is failing - the LILO installer doesn't work either.
07:56<shellclear>pumpkin0, because it is giving this error? how to correct?
07:57<JohnGH>shellclear - what's wrong with ext3?
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07:57<pumpkin0>shellclear: it lost a part of the filenames-listing. usually you cannot fix that.
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07:59<shellclear>hummm ok, then does not exist a form to fix that imperfection that appears during boot?
08:00<pumpkin0>shellclear: you can disable mounting for that drive. Or you can try to get the rest of reiser working with fsck.
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08:01<shellclear>pumpkin0, ok, but the problem and that this point of assembly would be my to /var thus being I cannot disassemble it as I verify during boot?
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08:02<pumpkin0>shellclear: does it still boot ? then copy /var onto something else, format (with ext3) and copy back.
08:04<simon42>btw: I really have to mention this tool that saved my life yesterday: testdisk. It recovered my partitions (ext3 & xfs) after an installer structure "slipped out" and deleted the partitions, created new ones, wrote grub and even began to fill the first partition with new data...
08:04<shellclear>pumpkin0, exists a way to check during boot? /etc/fstab sees mine /dev/hdc6 to /var reiserfs defaults 0 2
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08:05<pumpkin0>shellclear: you can set the partition to be dirty. That will launch a quicktest at the next reboot.
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08:06<shellclear>pumpkin0, how I make?
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08:09<shellclear>pumpkin0, how I make?
08:09<pumpkin0>shellclear: there is a tune2fs-style util for reiser, but i cannot remember it´s name ..
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08:10<shellclear>pumpkin0, thaks...:)
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08:11<shellclear>I go to look for.
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08:12<lockoff>jm_: the version is Debian 4.1.1-21
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08:12<lockoff>!cz
08:12<dpkg>i heard cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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08:16<jm_>lockoff: where did you get that? :)
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08:19<lockoff>out of the kern.log
08:20<jm_>lockoff: no, look in debian_version and sources.list
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08:21<noflash> /ignore -replies ifvoid
08:22<lockoff>the dir /etc/debian/doesnt exist or at leaast cant see it with this ext3 expolrer
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08:23<jm_>lockoff: I corrected it - /etc/debian_version
08:24<lockoff>there arent any dirs in etc strting with debian
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08:26<witte>lockoff: it is a file
08:26<Slydder>hey all. was wondering if someone could remind me where i change the mime type for files in gnome. thanks
08:27<lockoff>oh :-)
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08:31<lockoff>4.0
08:31<runix__>hey :) I have a new server and I would like to transfer the install from my old server. any howtos?
08:32<jm_>!cp hd to hd
08:32<dpkg>cp -ax, read the man page aswell, or cd /from && find . | cpio -pdumv /to or "rsync -axHS /from/. /to/.", where "/from/." can be "root@other-machine:/from/.""/to/." can be "root@other-machine:/to/.", or cp -ax /from/. /to/. (also read the man page) Ask me about <onedisktoanother>
08:32<jm_>!onedisktoanother
08:32<dpkg>See this : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/OneDiskToAnother
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08:32<runix__>jm_: it's a remote machine and I already have a debian etch install there
08:33<jakeriver>is anywhere good help to change locales?
08:33<lockoff>_jm: 4.0
08:33<avds>problem in lenny/sid: samba restart is OK, but smbclient fails to connect
08:33<jm_>runix__: well read the above ...
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08:34<jm_>lockoff: which version of libglib2.0-0 is installed?
08:34<witte>jakeriver: more than dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:34<avds>samba is listening on many ports, but not on netbios-ssn
08:34<padski>which type code for an HM LVM PV 0x8e or 0xfe ?
08:34<lockoff>I reinstalled it manualy today
08:34<witte>jakeriver: i mean, if "dpkg-reconfigure locales" is what you look for, great, otherwise i don't know :-)
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08:35<jakeriver>witte, thanks. didn't know :)
08:35<avds>this happened after upgrade
08:35<lockoff>jm_:at least hope so. instalation printed only 2 lines but didnt return any errors
08:36<gsimmons>padski: 0x8e, but IIRC LVM2 doesn't really care.
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08:37<jm_>lockoff: tell me exact version please
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08:37<padski>gsimmons, I'm trying to remember why I care :-) windows probably ...
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08:38<runix__>jm_: I was looking for something more debian specific (ie, dpkg --get-selections, debconf..., rsync /home and find all the /etc/ files modified by me)
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08:39<jm_>runix__: ahh so you want to complicate things then
08:39<runix__>jm_: yeah :)
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08:41<jm_>!reinstall
08:41<dpkg>[reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>.
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08:43<runix__>jm_: and transfer user accounts and my own configs in /etc (thanks! :)
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08:44<jm_>runix__: see if there's something on www.debian-administration.org for example
08:44<themill>dpkg reinstall is also <debian clone>
08:44<dpkg>okay, themill
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08:48<runix__>jm_: thanks
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08:52<padski>the aptitude manual page doesn't look so clever on this system (etch). stuff like: \fBinstall\fR. am I doing something wrong ?
08:53<jm_>padski: no, it's fixed in Lenny
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08:53<padski>thanks jm_
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08:55<knoppix_>hey
08:55<knoppix_>xD
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09:00<orangegoose>Silly question: does anyone working out of testing have problems updating iceweasel? (other than me :P)
09:00<pumpkin0>!anyone
09:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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09:02<lockoff>mj_: glib version is 2.8.6
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09:03<jm_>lockoff: the nick is jm_ -- how did you check it?
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09:03<lockoff>glib-gettextize --version
09:04<jm_>lockoff: no, look in /var/log/dpkg.log and find libglib-2.0
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09:05<jm_>lockoff: search from the end of the file to its start though
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09:05<lockoff>ofcourse
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09:08<lockoff>jm_: so its "status installed libglib2.0-0 2.14.5-2"
09:08<orangegoose>Thanks pumpkin0, I realized my question was so vague I should investigate it more (and fixed my problem in the process) :D
09:08<jm_>lockoff: Etch has 2.12, not 2.14 - 2.14.5-2 is in testing
09:09<jm_>lockoff: your sources.list is a mess
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09:10<lockoff>I couldnt find an example list so I put in some sources I found
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09:12<jm_>lockoff: wtf? example is in man sources.list
09:13<lockoff>thats example of sources list line
09:13<jm_>yes
09:14<lockoff>I thouhgt more sources would be usefull
09:15<jm_>no, don't do that - backports.org and d-m is what you need at most
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09:15<lockoff>I have already commented all but deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free
09:17<jm_>yeah but it's hosed already
09:19<lockoff>your telling me that its over upgraded? :-)
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09:21<jm_>no, you have some stuff from a newer release and that's braking it
09:22<lockoff>so what should I do? wait for new stuff?
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09:22<artista_frustrado>can anyone help me find a LUSER friendly media converter with a decent gui and that can convert youtube movies and stuff??
09:23<artista_frustrado>I've being trying "media converter" a kommander script.. but it is too buggy
09:23<jm_>lockoff: either downgrade manually or upgrade to testing and start using Lenny
09:24<jm_>I use mencoder, but it doesn't always produce good results for flv movies
09:25<artista_frustrado>jm_, the problem is that it is meant to real lusers
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09:26<artista_frustrado>I´ve always used command line apps for this kind of stuff
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09:26<jm_>artista_frustrado: ahh no idea about GUI tools, maybe look on freshmeat et al
09:26<lockoff>so I have to download libglib with aptitude and then install with dpkg?
09:26<artista_frustrado>but I've got a whole bunch of school teachers refusing to use debian cause "linux doen't have a decent media converter utility!!"
09:27<padski>sire! sire! the peasants are revolting ...
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09:28<jm_>lockoff: or download by hand or look in /var/cache/apt/archives
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09:30<artista_frustrado>padski, In my humble opinion it is more revolting to have to support windows users
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09:30<artista_frustrado>I'm looking for a decent gui but if I cannot find one I'll have to code one using pygtk
09:30<padski>artista_frustrado, you have my sympathy :-)
09:30<padski>artista_frustrado, do you have an example app in mind ?
09:31<artista_frustrado>and use ffmpeg, mencoder, etc to do the conversion
09:32<amphi>artista_frustrado: vive perhaps?
09:32<padski>artista_frustrado, what prog would they use on windows ?
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09:35<artista_frustrado>padski, I'm not sure but one of them was trying to make media converter, a kommander script, work
09:35<artista_frustrado>http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Multimedia+Converter?content=61463
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09:36<artista_frustrado>she said it was close enough to the windows app
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09:37<artista_frustrado>but the deb package is a piece of crap, doesn't contain dependencies, and the project's site is in arab
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09:40<padski>artista_frustrado, the packaging is from upstream ??
09:40<artista_frustrado>padski, nope..
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09:44<artista_frustrado>padski, I have not found an simple gui media converter upstream yet
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09:50<padski>I never saw a .kmdr script before. excuse me while I go a gouge out my eyes with a fork ...
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09:57<padski>artista_frustrado, there is a not in the script which reads: "The program works well, if observed lack of response from some jobs, it means a lack of a required codec."
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10:12<Slydder>anyone here using netbeans 6? if so need to get a mimetype added so that *.phps files are recognized as a PHP file in nb6. can somebody point me in the right direction? have only found old info regarding nb4 and nb5. thanks
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10:28<debian>I want to set up a ftp server (thinkig vsftpd - since lots of people recommended it as being a good one) but i dont want each user to have their own home directory. Does anyone know of a way to have just one home directory for all ftp users?
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10:29<nihil>debian use only 1 user?
10:29<nihil>or do you want to track the users?
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10:39<KeDaO>debian you can create a skel for the ftp user creation and point all to the same directory
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10:41<Axel-Akad>Hi Anybody! Seems My System OR some Debian-Etch Packages got a Problem with a MISSING Configuration-File. ill explain here
10:41<Axel-Akad>i wanted to setup LAMP on my Debian Etch (up to date). using apt-get install apache2 mysql mysql-php5 php5 etc etc..
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10:42<Axel-Akad>after that Apache, mysql and PHP been up and running! BUT... PHP did not load the MySQL Extension my default!
10:42<Axel-Akad>there is a dirextory /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d that SHOULD contain additional config-files for PHP to load at startup.
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10:43<Axel-Akad>since i installed PHP5, MYSQL and all the crap you usualy need for a LAMP there should be a "mysql.ini" file in that directory..
10:43<Axel-Akad>but ITS NOT THERE!
10:43<Axel-Akad>So what ?!
10:44<Axel-Akad>Any information why this file is missing there?
10:44<KeDaO>hi all, i want to resolve a problem, i have a linux box as a firewall, behind it i have 4 real servers doing LAMP (Linux Apache Mysql Postfix) all works fine, but when i want to send an e-mail from internal server1 (domainexample1.com) to internal server2 (otherdomain.com) it always return "connection refused" i think something wrong its in my iptables, the firewall have all the publics ip eth0-> 84.124.53.34 eth0:1 -> 84.124.53.35.... etc and wh
10:44<KeDaO>en a packet comes i do a prenat sentence and fordwars the packet to the internal server (172.22.1.234, 172.22.1.235...) i think may be i have to put a rule on the INPUT table to say "whe a packet comes from 84.124.53.34 to 84.124.53.35 redirect to 172.22.1.235) or what? thanks
10:45<seanius>Axel-Akad: dpkg -l php5-mysql ?
10:45<Supaplex>Axel-Akad: the mysql php extension is a php.ini setting
10:45<Axel-Akad>returns: ii php5-mysql 5.2.0-8+etch10 MySQL module for php5
10:46<Axel-Akad>Supaplex: the point is.. a) there is NO WORD in the php-mysql or ANY php documentation that came with it (/usr/share/doc) saying i need to edit the php.ini
10:47<seanius>oh, this is etch. does etch even support conf.d for php?
10:47<Axel-Akad>AND
10:47<Supaplex>:/etc/php4/apache$ grep mysql.so php.ini
10:47<Supaplex>;extension=mysql.so
10:47<Supaplex>if you think it needs to be changed, file a bug report
10:47<Axel-Akad>anyone would expect that on a modular installation there comes a proper config-file right OUT-OF-THE-BOX.. but it does not.
10:48<Supaplex>that's nice.
10:48<Supaplex>generally I agree, but I'm not the package maintainer.
10:48<seanius>Axel-Akad: dpkg -L php5-mysql | grep ini
10:48<Axel-Akad>so my question to the channel here is -- is this a WELL KNOW COMMON BUG or is it just local to my system ?!?!
10:48<Supaplex>it might be by design
10:49<Supaplex>!tell Axel-Akad about bts
10:49<seanius>Supaplex: it should "work out of the box"
10:49<Supaplex>I'll let the package maintainer argue that
10:49<seanius>Supaplex: er...
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10:50<Axel-Akad>http://pastebin.com/d5044c891 <<<<<<<< so there is the config file within ;)) but not on my system
10:50<Axel-Akad>STRANGE!!!!!
10:50<Supaplex>there might be a reason for this. the package has worked this way for years and multiple release cycles
10:51<Axel-Akad>thats the point why im so courious about it!! this is a common setup.. but not many seem to have this problem
10:52<seanius>Axel-Akad: was this a brand new installation, or did you upgrade from a previous release / use backports / use dotdeb / etc ?\
10:52<Axel-Akad>some suggestion about what we do have here ? like http://pastebin.com/d5044c891 shows there is the file included in the package.. however it does not install to my sys
10:53<seanius>Axel-Akad: what about in /etc/php5/conf.d
10:53<seanius>the apache2 dir should only have a symlink
10:53<Axel-Akad>seanius: well.. its not brandnew.. as far i remember i installed it when debian sarge was still TESTING. through apt-get upgrades and all it made its way to stable, then etch-testing, and etch-stable (now)
10:54<seanius>Axel-Akad: did you just recently install the LaMP stuff or have you had it for a while and upgraded it?
10:54<seanius>it could be that php5-mysql was installed first and didn't see apache2 installed and thus didn't set up the symlink
10:54<Supaplex>configuration files are not listed that way.
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10:55<Axel-Akad>seanius: symlink confirmed: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2008-02-20 11:31 conf.d -> ../conf.d
10:56<seanius>oh, that's right, it's the directory that's symlinked not the config file
10:56<Supaplex>dpkg -s <pkg> will show conffiles.
10:56<dpkg>You Fool! <pkg> will show conffiles. is installed!
10:56<Axel-Akad>seanius: after all the problems i removed all the packages first to make system clean. purged config files, /etc etc. even by hand where it left something over
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10:56<seanius>Axel-Akad: aha, that might be the problem
10:57<Axel-Akad>seanius: then reinstalled all components with apt-get install. so i dont know if the ORDER of the packages getting installed is right, since it does it automaticly.
10:58<seanius>Axel-Akad: have you tried "apt-get --purge remove php5-mysql; apt-get install php5-mysql" ?
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10:59<Axel-Akad>seanius: yep!! long time ago ;) when all this started.. i prepared a CLEAN system (as far as possible)
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10:59<Axel-Akad>but i will NOW retest this LIVE and in color... hold...
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11:00<Axel-Akad>its a P3 900Mhz ;) will take a moment .....
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11:01<Axel-Akad>WOOOOOOOOW!!!
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11:01<Supaplex>don't forget <confmiss> (if you deleted conf files)
11:02<Axel-Akad>http://pastebin.com/d2e0dd322 <<<< not they are there
11:02<Axel-Akad>ROFL! no way :) i know how to use rm ;)
11:03<Axel-Akad>but the idea of yours..that the ORDER of installing the packages MAYBE is not doing well my default
11:03<Axel-Akad>so i guess we will have to install mysql, php and apache first and
11:03<Axel-Akad>install php5-mysql after all
11:03<seanius>Axel-Akad: i think i was wrong on that, the order shouldn't matter
11:04<seanius>except that you may manually need to restart apache if it's installed before php5-mysql
11:04<Axel-Akad>but why then is it here now ?!
11:04<seanius>Axel-Akad: because it was removed manually at some point and the package was never fully purged
11:04<seanius>i would guess
11:05<seanius>i.e. install foo, rm conffile, remove foo, install foo results in conffile still missing
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11:05<seanius>unless you purge foo when you remove it
11:05<Axel-Akad>since i used -purge AND since i purge my HAND after all that it should be enough.. i had /etc/php and /apache ALL removed by hand (after apt-install -remove -purge)
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11:06<Axel-Akad>hmm...
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11:07<Axel-Akad>i cant explain that.. ANYTHING about php/mysql/apache was uninstalled, purged (auto) and by hand from /etc. there been NOTHING
11:07<Axel-Akad>well.. however.. point is.. there ARE the config files within the package..so they are not missing
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11:08<Axel-Akad>however they did not become installed .. maybe the order of package-installation or some missing Service-restart could be the reason to that
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11:08<Axel-Akad>ok.. anyway
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11:08<Axel-Akad>THANKS A LOT TO ALL YOU HELPING ME FIXING THIS PROBLEM!
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11:09<Axel-Akad>c u. bye
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11:12*seanius shrugs
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11:13<lockoff>argh!
11:13<lockoff>libglib reinstalled and still returns errors
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11:14<greg>hello all
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11:19<zedboy>hi
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11:34<lucas_amorim>hello. I am trying to find a software for recording videos from a V4L compatible webcam. I am trying to compile v4lgrab I found here: http://v4lgrab.sourceforge.net/
11:35<lucas_amorim>but I think the configure script is complained about missing qt libraries when actually they are installed:
11:35<lucas_amorim>!paste
11:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:36<berto>http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/
11:37<lucas_amorim>see here: http://paste.debian.net/49557
11:37<lockoff>how can I downgrade to stable all testing packages?
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11:39<lucas_amorim>can anyone help me on that?
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11:40<zedboy>lockoff: I don't think there's a way to do that...
11:41<zedboy>!tell lockoff about downgrade
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11:42<lockoff>so I have to remove them manualy and install stable ones?
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11:48<zedboy>lockoff: right.
11:48<zedboy>but if you want to downgrade the entire system, it's probably easier to wipe it clean and start again...
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11:53<lockoff>want to take a look if testing packages are the ones causing problems? startx command is at line 299 http://pastebin.com/m4671b3a2
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12:01<padski>it would appear that ms have quite a lead in action figures ...
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12:11<kapil>lockoff: did you re-install libglib2.0-0
12:11<bgat>can I use compiz under sid with the "nv" xorg server?
12:12<lockoff>yea
12:12<cahoot>huh?
12:13<cahoot>isn't nv restricted to 2d?
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12:13<padski>cahoot, last I looked
12:13<seanius>bgat: maybe as long as you're not using any of the -fusion stuff
12:14*seanius hasn't tried it himself, though he ought to
12:14<bgat>ok
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12:14<seanius>why don't you let us know how it goes :)
12:14<bgat>seanius: :) yea, as soon as I get a sec. :)
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12:15<bgat>I'll save that for playtime. really, all I need right now is to get both monitors working with kde3 and my geforce 8600.
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12:15<seanius>bgat: i know they're retooling compiz at the moment to work better on "low end hardware", which i would guess to also mean "software drivers"
12:15<bgat>was thinking that if compiz worked, I'd just throw that in too. :)
12:15<lockoff>kapil: status installed libglib2.0-0 2.12.4-2
12:16<kapil>lockoff: what about libgconf
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12:18<kapil>lockoff: looks like the etch version of glib. do you also have the etch version of gconf?
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12:19<lockoff>im gonna try something
12:19<lockoff>brb
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12:33<JasonF>Hi all, I have a question about sarge... I have a box that is running a backported kernel due to newer hardware, and I'm trying to find a version that's patched for the kernel vuln... any leads as far as sources for that?
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12:44<KebiaAWAY>Hello
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12:49<Kebianizao|work>what does exactly mean VSZ and RSS columns in the ps aux output, is it sensible that cherokee web server is 337100 VSZ and 3404 RSS?
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12:54<dkr>virtual size vs resident set size
12:54<dkr>vsz is address spaceproc uses. rss is real ram used
12:54<Kebianizao|work>if my virtual server provides 128MB ram, is VSZ significant?
12:55<dkr>(minus any shared)
12:55<Kebianizao|work>or do I just have to look for RSS?
12:55<dkr>no
12:55<dkr>I don't know,what are you looking for?
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12:55<Kebianizao|work>well, I started the cherokee server and it seems I run out of memory
12:56<dkr>a web server using 3MB ram is sensible, yes
12:56<Kebianizao|work>but free told that only around 66MB were used
12:56<dkr>maybe you have to manychild procs? I've never even heard of cherokee. this is some apache clone?
12:56<Kebianizao|work>I can't much simple operations like cat or ps
12:56<Kebianizao|work>dkr: don't think so, it's yet another web server, lighter AFAIK
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12:57<dkr>what do you mean by "seems" do you or don't you?
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12:58<dkr>look at syslog or dmesg
12:58<Kebianizao|work>dkr I don't know becasu I can't even do a free
12:58<Kebianizao|work>tail also fails :S
12:59<dkr>fails, or hangs?
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12:59<Kebianizao|work>tail /var/log/syslog
12:59<Kebianizao|work>Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed!
12:59<Kebianizao|work>same message for free
13:00<dkr>that doesn't look good
13:00<Kebianizao|work>dkr: I would like to know if I should blame virtualization SW (virtuoso) I think
13:00<dkr>I would
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13:00<Kebianizao|work>kernel is old (2.6.9)
13:00<Kebianizao|work>dkr: :/
13:01<Kebianizao|work>dkr: I've just gotten that server today, not a very good start
13:01<Kebianizao|work>anyway if I run out of memory, ook should have acted, right?
13:02<Kebianizao|work>s/ook/oom/
13:02<dkr>yeah
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13:02<themill>unless it's just thrashing
13:02<Kebianizao|work>really no good
13:03<Kebianizao|work>themill: what do you mean?
13:03<Kebianizao|work>heh, this is funny the control panel works
13:04<themill>If there's lots and lots of swap then the oom killer won't kick in, but you'll still have an unresponsive system
13:04<Kebianizao|work>well, sort of, I think mysql is not
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13:04<Kebianizao|work>themill: no swap, swap FS isn't even compiled in
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13:04<themill>well, you can rule that out then ;)
13:04<Kebianizao|work>I've tried to add some swap, but I couldn't
13:06<Kebianizao|work>look, I could get a ps list using the panel: http://paste.debian.net/49561
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13:06<themill>that's a lot of apaches for a server that's supposed to be using cherokee
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13:07<Kebianizao|work>themill: well, not really. I have a problem with php5, the control panel is plesk and it depends on apache, but plesk is php4 and I need php5
13:08<Kebianizao|work>I thought using cherokee on a different port to use php5
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13:08<Kebianizao|work>apache is such a monter, I would have removed it if it weren't for my provider's panel
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13:09<Kebianizao|work>ok I've killed some apaches and things got better, but this is not a real solution
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13:11<dkr>Kebianizao|work: you can use php4 qnd php5 at same time from apache
13:11<dkr>just one uses mod_php and the other uses mod_cgi to fork external interpreter
13:12<Kebianizao|work>dkr: libapache2-mod-php5 conflicts with libapache2-mod-php4
13:12<dkr>Kebianizao|work: you need to configure it properly for such little ram. limit the number of child procs
13:13<dkr>Kebianizao|work: yes. that doesn't contradict what I said at all
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13:13<Kebianizao|work>could you suggest me a method of installing php5 and php4 for apache?
13:13<dkr>Kebianizao|work: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html
13:13<dkr>(that's for tuning number of children)
13:14<Kebianizao|work>ok, thanks
13:14*Kebianizao|work removes cherokee
13:14<dkr>I don't use php, but I recall some folks in #apache on freenode getting php4 qnd php5 both working.I"M Sure it'sdocumented somewhere. :)
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13:14<Kebianizao|work>no need to waste space, and I require apache anyway
13:14<Kebianizao|work>dkr: ok
13:15<Kebianizao|work>thanks againg, I'll look into, but I wonder why the easy way fails
13:15<dkr>because 128MB ram is abnormal
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13:15<dkr>is my guess
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13:15<Kebianizao|work>I have had 65MB at most used
13:15<dkr>for the default config, I mean
13:16<Kebianizao|work>well, all went correctly till I thought about running cherokee at once
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13:16<Kebianizao|work>but I still don't undestand how with <70M ram used you could be starving memory when you have 128MB (in theory)
13:17<dkr>well, two web servers also conflict, but the second one should just failto bind port 80 and die. :)
13:17<Kebianizao|work>dkr: I changed config to use 81
13:17<Kebianizao|work>:)
13:17<dkr>ah
13:17<Kebianizao|work>also firewall
13:17<debian>I want to set up a ftp server (thinkig vsftpd - since lots of people recommended it as being a good one) but i dont want each user to have their own home directory. Does anyone know of a way to have just one home directory for all ftp users?
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13:19<dkr>I bet the vsftp configuration documentation knows
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13:25<lockoff>kapil: I installed the stable libgconf and it didnt help
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13:27<nightstalker>Hello
13:27<lockoff>hay
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13:27<nightstalker>wo
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13:27<nightstalker>wooooooow
13:27<ajf>hi
13:27<nightstalker>istdasd ein Deutscher oder ein Englischer chat
13:28<themill>!de
13:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
13:28<JasonF>I have a question about sarge... I have a box that is running a backported kernel due to newer hardware, and I'm trying to find a version that's patched for the kernel vuln... any leads as far as sources for that?
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13:28<ajf>I'm having some problems getting an nfs mount point mounted automatically at boot time
13:28<nightstalker>Ah OKay I see that iss a english spoken chat
13:28<JasonF>nightstalker: #debian-de i think
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13:29<nightstalker>Thank you
13:29<nightstalker>but I can stay here I can a little bit english
13:29<ajf>I've got _netdev as an option in /etc/fstab, but this doesn't seem to help
13:29<Kebianizao|work>thanks and bye
13:29<nightstalker>so I learn the language
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13:29<DragonOfDance>hehe :)
13:29<themill>JasonF: you could try backports.org
13:31<themill>JasonF: or consider upgrading to etch.
13:31<ajf>any thoughts would be much appreciated
13:31<JasonF>themill: I can't upgrade to etch right now... and it looks like backports.org isn't releasing new things for etch
13:31<JasonF>s/etch/sarge/
13:32<lockoff>I have trouble starting the gdm. Symbol not found in libgconf
13:32<themill>JasonF: you'll probably be compiling things yourself then :) /msg dpkg kp-mantra
13:33<themill>JasonF: But it's time to start planning sarge->etch because security support for sarge won't last forever.
13:33<lockoff>got everything on pastebin
13:33<ajf>nobody come across this problem before?
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13:33<JasonF>themill: we are... we have all of about 5 out of 120 or so servers left on sarge
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13:34<themill>JasonF: good good... that sounds like one hell of a job
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13:34<themill>JasonF: are you sure that the kernel you are running is actually vulnerable?
13:36<ajf>I'm using etch BTW
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13:36<lockoff>can someone help me with fixing the gdm?
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13:37<ajf>lockoff: A few more details
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13:38<JasonF>themill: Yes... we're running a 2.6.18, and I've verified the exploit
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13:39<themill>JasonF: If you're running a kernel that recent, does that mean that you're using a backported udev/hotplug from etch already?
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13:40<ajf>Can anybody help me with my nfs mounting problem? I can mount fine after the system is booted, but it won't mount from fstab during boot.
13:41<JasonF>themill: yep
13:41<JasonF>themill: could I just install the etch kernel clean?
13:42<JasonF>themill: or more accurately, hotplug is purged and I'm runnign udev
13:42<themill>JasonF: there's a reasonable chance that you can. The kernel is one of the bits that you can often do that with, modulo problems like the udev one you have already surmounted.
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13:42<JasonF>too bad I'm all out of sarge testing boxes
13:42<themill>JasonF: If you can snapshot the system and test it in a vm or something, then that would be a nice plan, though.
13:42<lockoff>sorry, Im back now
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13:43<JasonF>themill: I think I'm going to use the in-memory-fix that some of the guys around here have had luck with in their home environments, and upgrade it to etch next month
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13:43<themill>JasonF: Have fun with it :)
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13:45<ajf>I've got the relevant section of boot log if that helps? Anybody fancy taking a quick peek?
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13:48<lockoff_>ajf: did you find something?
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13:49<ajf>lockoff: I was gonna see what I could work out, if you provided a few more details.
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13:50<ajf>lockoff: There's not really much to go on, so far.
13:50<lockoff_>did you see the pastebin? what do you want to see?
13:50<ajf>must have missed that
13:51<LaicepS>Hi, my x server iis very unstable, it freez often when i run flash player website or wine application (i displayed hardware acceleration) i'm running under debian lenny
13:51<lockoff_>startx command is at line 299 http://pastebin.com/m4671b3a2
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13:51<LaicepS>-displayed+disabled
13:51<lockoff_>ajf: I accidentaly upgraded packages to testing
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13:52<LaicepS>maybe if i downgrade to etch it will be fixed :/
13:53<LaicepS>any idead ?
13:54<lockoff_>I cant help you. I have problems even starting
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13:56<themill>!downgrade
13:56<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
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13:59<ajf>lockoff: That looks nasty. Are you now trying to downgrade back to etch from testing?
13:59<lockoff_>if it is what I should do
13:59<ajf>Its unlikely to be possible for so many packages
14:00<lockoff_>I already downgraded libgconf and libglib
14:00<lockoff_>could I run an instatlation over this?
14:01<lockoff_>..or would it help?
14:01<ajf>Obviously you'll have huge problems running gdm when half the relevant packages are still from etch and the rest were upgraded to testing
14:01<ajf>Can you live with running testing?
14:02<lockoff_>I can live with whatever boots
14:02<lockoff_>../starts
14:02<ajf>fair enough
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14:03<lockoff_>if testing will work.
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14:03<seanius>dkr: it could be done theoretically, but there are practical implications with having two shared modules loaded by apache at the same time with possibly-conflicting symbols
14:03<ajf>What were you trying to do when you 'accidentally' upgraded to testing?
14:04<dkr>seanius: eh?
14:04<seanius>dkr: php4/php5
14:04<lockoff_>I defined the testing sources and then tried to install some packages thaat appeared in synaptic
14:05<ajf>oh ok
14:05<ajf>You discovered how dangerous that can be the hard way
14:05<dkr>seanius: well, the one asmodule,the other forked as cgi works well enough apparently. :)
14:05<lockoff_>I have always had luck :-)
14:05<ajf>To install one lousy package it ended up needing to pull in hundreds from testing
14:06<lockoff_>yep :-)
14:06<seanius>dkr: yeah, that's much safer
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14:06<ajf>In future, take a look at www.backports.org.
14:07<ajf>meanwhile, to move to testing, clean up your /etc/apt/sources to contain only 'lenny' entries
14:07<lockoff_>I also hustled with dependecies manualy with no net connection. it took me few months until I got some applications working :-)
14:08<ajf>run 'apt-get update', then try an 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
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14:08<ajf>If you run aptitude with no arguments you should see broken packages if any in red.
14:09<lockoff_>i am gonna need to download some megs during upgrade huh?
14:10<ajf>If anything seems really broken, you can always try purging some packages and then reinstalling them after
14:10<lockoff_>right now or after upgrade?
14:10<ajf>try the upgrade first
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14:11<ajf>I'm gonna have to be off in a bit though, so good luck
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14:13<ajf>But before I do go, anybody interested in helping me solve my nfs mounting problem or should I just ask on one of the mailing lists? :)
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14:16<Haru>hi.. i succesfully installed compiz fusion but on running it gives me the error GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap not found and crashes
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14:25<ignu>Any suggestions?: I removed Nautilus and added Thunar. Before that my usb flash drive automatically mounted when I plugged it in. Now I cannot get it to mount
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14:45<ignu>I did 'aptitude install usbmount' and couldn't mount it. Then as an additional noob effort, I ran 'updatedb' and even shut the computer down and still couldn't mount the usb flash drive... I get 'Failed to mount "sda1". mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab.'
14:46<suiside>ignu: you don't have a entry for it in your /etc/fstab
14:46<suiside>ignu: btw, rebooting almost never solves any problems
14:46<ignu>suiside: how do I rectify that? (I'm still a relative noob)
14:46<witte>ignu: "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb" should work
14:47<ignu>do I need to mkdir /mnt/usb first?
14:47<suiside>if it doesn't exist, yes
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14:47<ignu>many many thanks :-)
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14:48<witte>ignu: usbmount should do these things automatically though
14:48<witte>ignu: just read about that part, if you plug it in, there should be a device mounted under /media/usb[0-7]
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14:50<ignu>witte: well, I ran 'aptitude install usbmount' and I still don't get that. There's nothing at all in /media/usb
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14:53<ignu>witte and suiside: thx much. after 'mkdir /mnt/usb' and 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb/' I'm in. But will I have to do that each time I restart the computer?
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14:53<witte>ignu: i installed it myself but i can't seem to find a usb thing here (note to myself: clean up)
14:53<witte>ignu: you can add a line to /etc/fstab
14:53<witte>!fstab
14:53<dpkg>somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
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14:55<ignu>thx witte for the dpkg lead
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14:55<bchoward>question: I have a remote system (so I can only ssh in), and I'm trying to upgrade the kernel from 2.6.14 to the lastest, which I've already built and installed with dpkg. My grub menu.lst seems to be in order, and the default boot option is 0, but whenever I reboot, it keeps loading the old kernel
14:55<bchoward>any suggestions?
14:56<bchoward>the grub boot list has my new kernel as the first option, and the one it keeps loading is third on the list
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14:57<witte>bchoward: did you run grub-install
14:58<bchoward>I ran grub-update after dpkg -i on the new kernel
14:58<bchoward>witte: before my recent attemps, the system had been up for over a year
14:58<witte>ok,, i think that should be good enough
14:59<bchoward>does grub log to anywhere?
14:59<witte>bchoward: are the links to /boot/vmlinux etc correct
15:00<bchoward>witte, yes - /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.2.20080219 is in my file, and exists in the right place in /boot
15:00<bchoward>I don't have a separate boot filesystem - it's just a folder on my root
15:01<bchoward>the /vmlinuz symlink points to my latest kernel 2.6.24 as well
15:01<witte>bchoward: can you upload your menu.lst so that we can have a look (just to check if you didn't overlook anything)
15:01<bchoward>but I'm pretty sure it's not being used
15:01<witte>!paste
15:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:01<bchoward>witte, sure - what pasteboard do you guys use?
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15:03<bchoward>witte, http://paste.debian.net/49567
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15:07<bchoward>if I cat /boot/grub/default, it shows 0 is my default
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15:08<witte>bchoward: mmm, i do not see something wrong (note that i am not a guru ;-))
15:09<bchoward>yeah
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15:09<bchoward>if it were trying to boot the new kernel and failing over, the default should be changed
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15:09<bchoward>also, I don't think it takes long enough for the machine to come back up on the network for that to be the case
15:09<brent>has anyone had any luck using splashy under sid?
15:09<bchoward>I think it's just booting the old kernel straight off
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15:10<bchoward>witte: thanks for your help though
15:10<witte>bchoward: maybe this page could work: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html, and especially the "grub-set-default 0" command, just to be sure
15:10<bchoward>witte: I was reading that about 10 min ago before coming here
15:10<brent>i can get splashy to start, but it needs a keypress to keep it moving after udev populates
15:10<bchoward>witte: I already tried that a few times
15:10<bchoward>witte: but thanks
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15:23<robt>hi, i have a doubt about beryl and my graphic board
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15:24<bchoward>witte: I just got it to work
15:25<robt>i have an intel 965, and i read that the drivers for this type are only in lenny, as here it says http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg-video-intel
15:25<bchoward>I think re-ran grub-install on the MBR of the boot drive - I think there may have been an old install to a particular partition that was no longer being used as the boot partition
15:26<poppen>anyone have any tips on a ftp server program that has a gui
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15:26<bchoward>wiping that partition (after making sure it was out-dated and not in use) and running grub-install on the MBR and then grub-update to make sure that the menu.lst and associated boot files would be used did the trick
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15:38<pippo>ciao a tutti
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16:03<assem>if i connect an external monitor to my laptop (already running X/gnome session) how can i reconfigure the video settings without restarting X?
16:04<assem>(not getting a picture on the external monitor)
16:05<witte>assem: are you running stable or testing/sid?
16:05<assem>sid
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16:05<brunner>hey guys, should I get a Dell XPS M1330 (13", 4lbs, 1280x800) or a Lenovo ThinkPad T61p (15", 7lbs, 1920x1200)
16:05<witte>assem: you could have a look at "xrandr" or the "grandr" program
16:05<maspix>brunner: get an Eee ;)
16:06<assem>ok great, thanks witte ^^
16:06<brunner>Eee?
16:06<witte>assem: but i think you should have had the monitor connected before X started (not sure though)
16:06<brunner>oh, Asus
16:06<colby>am trying to set a timezone using GMT offsets, and when i use GMT+2 (for example) it sets to what looks like GMT-2 -- "local time is now 19:01:41 GMT+2", "universal time is now 21:01:41 UTC"
16:06<colby>i've tried 3 different versions of tzdata on etch
16:07<brunner>maspix: resolution is too low
16:07<colby>it seems strange this bug could have lasted this long...
16:07<witte>brunner: you shouldn't go for dell, go for lenovo
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16:07<maspix>brunner: I don't know. I don't mind mine that bad.
16:08<brunner>maspix: your what? dell or lenovo?
16:08<maspix>brunner: my Eee.
16:08<brunner>oh oh
16:08<brunner>yeah, but I may need to do image editing on occasion
16:09<brunner>and even for programming.. there's no way I could get by with 800x600
16:09<maspix>It's actually not that bad because the pixels feel a lot tighter.
16:09<brunner>I don't care how it looks
16:09<brunner>heh
16:09<brunner>I care about how much crap I can fit on the screen
16:10<maspix>lol
16:10<maspix>Yeah, I have my Eee and then usually a 1600x1200 desktop so eh
16:10<brunner>I don't believe in desktops
16:11<brunner>I still live in a world where I tell myself there's a laptop that can meet my needs
16:11<maspix>Question: I am running debian etch and am trying to setup a proftpd server, and I see in the documentation that instead of using symlinks to do it (which die if you chroot the whole thing) you can use mount --bind. I've been trying to figure it and I keep getting this: mount: mount point /home/comp-trorion/shared-data does not exist
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16:11<maspix>I live off my laptop too, I just like having a desktop saying that I still live somewhere 8)
16:11<assem>witte, actually i got it to work but if i click on the VGA or LVDS icons under output it crashes =O but when i settings to auto and apply'd it snapd to my external monitor instantly
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16:12<maspix>I have a dell that I don't mind that much of, I had an hp laptop before that... the Eee is just great for everything else except for full on processing or graphics.
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16:19<ignu>anyone: what program do you like for unpacking tar.gz files?
16:20<weasel>tar.
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16:21<ignu>I should have been more specific... I know most people in here will probably not use a graphical program for that, but if you did, what graphical program? :-)
16:21<weasel>tar in an xterm?
16:21<rela>lol
16:21<weasel>maybe, just maybe mc.
16:21<weasel>I wouldn't know what else to use.
16:21<rela>yep, mc is nice
16:22<ignu>cool, thx :-)
16:22<witte>ignu: ark
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16:24<chealer>ignu: ark
16:24<chealer>oh, right
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16:26<lontra>could use file roller too
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16:29<ignu>I'll try ark, thx
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16:30<maspix>Answer to my question a few dozen lines up: You have to make sure you trail the mount --bind call will trailing /'s e.g.: mount --bind /dev/ /home/dev/; mount --bind /dev /home/dev = WRONG
16:30<brunner>I wonder if I would regret getting a dell
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16:30<maspix>The only thing I regret is I got vista ;D
16:30<weasel>maspix: why would that be wrong?
16:31<maspix>it just doesn't mount right
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16:31<maspix>it returns the error: "mount: mount point /home/comp-trorion/shared-data does not exis"
16:31<maspix>if you include the trailing foward slashes it works
16:31<weasel>that's something to do with your system then I suppose.
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16:32<akirch>what's the support lifespan of a debian stable release?
16:32<weasel>until the next release + 1y or until 2 releases afterwards, whichever comes sooner.
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16:33<maspix>weasel: I don't know, all three of my debian systems exhibit the same behaviour, so I really just think it is a fussy call.
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16:34<weasel>maspix: doubt it. probably a weird combination of whatever you are doing and your fstab or whatever.
16:34<weasel>hard to tell if you don't paste the real example.
16:34<maspix>mount: special device /home/comp-trorion/shared-data does not exist
16:34<weasel>(also, why anybody would want to bind mount around /dev I don't get anyway)
16:34<maspix>I was using it as in example
16:34<weasel>maspix: and what's the mount call you use when you get that?
16:35<maspix>It comes up when you are trying to chroot a ftp session since symlinks don't work.
16:35<syekiya>Hi there, I need help. I have 2 computers, one computer (this one) has Debian, and this computer has 2 NIC cards, one goes to another computer, and one goes to my modem, how can I get this computer to assign the other computer an IP address so it can connect to the internet and to this computer VIA SSH, etc ?
16:35<weasel>maspix: why on earth would you put a whole dev into the ftp chroot. dev/null should suffice, if you need it.
16:35<maspix>/home/comp-trorion/files# mount --bind /var/shared-data /home/comp-trorion/shared-data
16:35<maspix>weasel: I was using /dev/ as an example because it was the first thing that came to mind
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16:36<weasel>ls intrepid:~# mount -o bind /mnt/tmp1 /aux1/test
16:36<weasel>intrepid:~#
16:36<weasel>s/ls //
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16:37<weasel>what is /home/comp-trorion/shared-data (when nothing is mounted on it)?
16:37<maspix>weasel: it's an empty directory
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16:37<weasel>sure it's not a symlink?
16:37<maspix>no
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16:39<syekiya>Hi there, I need help. I have 2 computers, one computer (this one) has Debian, and this computer has 2 NIC cards, one goes to another computer, and one goes to my modem, how can I get this computer to assign the other computer an IP address so it can connect to the internet and to this computer VIA SSH, etc ?
16:40<maspix>weasel: I did it with the directory as a symlink (accident), just as a unique directory, then removed the directory entirely and still got that error ( mount: mount point /home/comp-trorion/shared-data does not exist ), but as soon as I put the trailing slashes in (mount --bind /var/shared-data/ /home/comp-trorion/files/shared-data/
16:40<maspix>It works
16:40<maspix>I was just sharing what I was stumped with :(
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16:41<linkslice>ok so i'm kind of new to debian, and I saw on the security announce list that there is a kernel update, but I'm unsure how to apply it
16:41<weasel>maspix: the directory needs to exist. mkdir it.
16:41<syekiya>linkslice: I believe all you do it: apt-get upgrade
16:42<linkslice>syekiya, but that would want to upgrade everything, would that break my mysql installation?
16:42<linkslice>i was nervous to run the upgrade command because I don't want to break anything
16:43<syekiya>Sorry, I'm not sure, I'm new myself. So, I'm not sure.
16:43<syekiya>I'm about to just go back to Windows.... I can't figure out stuff I need figured out.
16:44<maspix>weasel: yeah it works now, I just was sharing that it was odd and did not work in a fashion I expected and there was no note in the manual about it
16:44<dkr>linkslice: you could run aptitude -u and browse through the available updates and only choose the ones you want to upgrqde now
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16:44<syekiya>Hi there, I need help. I have 2 computers, one computer (this one) has Debian, and this computer has 2 NIC cards, one goes to another computer, and one goes to my modem, how can I get this computer to assign the other computer an IP address so it can connect to the internet and to this computer VIA SSH, etc ?
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16:45<dkr>syekiya: aptitude install dhcp
16:46<dkr>and then configure it
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16:47<linkslice>dkr, ok i've run aptitude -u but do not see a kernel to upgrade where would I find it?
16:47<maspix>syekiya: http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm << Check this out. It is a little dated but it gets close to where you need to be.
16:47<syekiya>Where is the conf file located? I have it installed already.
16:47<dkr>linkslice: likely in the security section
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16:47<chealer>syekiya: please avoid repeating
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16:48<dkr>if there is a security update you haven't applied
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16:49<syekiya>I get that the DHCP server cannot start and to read the syslog for more information...
16:49<dkr>syekiya: /etc/dhcpd.conf
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16:50<maspix>syekiya: Also, is there a reason why you have to use DHCP? If it is a direct link that is probably a better candidate for a static IP anyway if you can't get dhcp to work
16:50<dkr>syekiya: man dhcpd.conf for the syntax, intructions
16:50<chealer>dkr: is that supposed to be sufficient?
16:50<dkr>chealer: eh?
16:50<syekiya>Well, I don't know my options, all I know is that I have 2 NIC cards, one goes to internet and ones to go the second computer...
16:51<chealer>dkr: are you saying that setting up dhcp will achieve what syekiya wants?
16:51<dkr>chealer: sufficient for the question he asked? yes
16:52<dkr>or not
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16:52<AbsintheSyringe>is there any way to combine nvidia ati support as modules, want to just get vesa and vega as compiled in, except recompiling whole kernel all over again?
16:52<dkr>syekiya: you also need http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html
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16:52<dkr>to forward traffic from internal nic to internet
16:53<chealer>AbsintheSyringe: EPARSE
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16:53<linkslice>dkr, ah ok I figured it out
16:53<linkslice>thanks
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16:54<AbsintheSyringe>chealer, what?
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16:55<chealer>AbsintheSyringe: I can't parse your question
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16:59<AbsintheSyringe>chealer, when I turn on my computer, after grub it takes some 10seconds to start booting so I can see services and all that, because I set vga=791 in grub, to change resolution, but it's figuring this out as framebuffer
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16:59<gidna>Hi
16:59<gidna>I've installed libsdl-mixer1.2
16:59<AbsintheSyringe>so I figured to just leave vga and vesa compiled in kernel, but exclude nvidia and ati support by compiling it as modules
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16:59<AbsintheSyringe>chealer, get what I wanna do now? is there a way to do that, except recompiling kernel
17:00<gidna>but I receive this errors checking for Mix_LoadMUS in -lSDL_mixer... no
17:00<gidna>*** Could not find SDL_mixer. Please install it.
17:00<ReedWood>Hello, I am searching for tips on how to make a debian system safe.
17:01<ReedWood>are there any recomended howtos?
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17:03<sycamorex_>ReeWood: e.g http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/index.html
17:03<ReedWood>thanks
17:03<sycamorex_>or here's the whole list: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/security-references-45261/
17:04<linkslice>do i have any reason to be afraid of apt-get upgrade breaking anything?
17:05<chealer>linkslice: which Debian suite do you use?
17:05<linkslice>chealer, suite?
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17:05<chealer>linkslice: branch, version, release
17:06<linkslice>well, i've got some sarge and some etch, but don't really understand the question
17:07<chealer>linkslice: I thought you were asking about a specific box. in general, yes. on a released version, breakage is rare.
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17:08<chealer>AbsintheSyringe: I'm afraid not
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17:09<AbsintheSyringe>chealer_, what do you think I use "vga=ask" and see what that one pulls out?
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17:10<linkslice>chealer, ok
17:10<chealer>AbsintheSyringe: sorry, I really don't understand you're question. if it's something about framebuggers, I know nothing about them.
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17:12<klando>someone aware of diff between apt-src and apt-build ?
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17:16<gael>il y a kelkun ki peu maider?
17:17<avu>!fr
17:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
17:17<gael>hé vous etez des humain?
17:17<gael>ou des ordis?
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17:18<gael>cest koi le but de ce chat svp?
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17:19<chealer>gael: il y a des humains et des ordis. lit ce que dpkg a envoyé stp.
17:20<gael>je vous emerde c'est ca quand je parle??
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17:20<gael> oui daccord j'y vais
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17:20<andresvia>It's possible to run java applets on amd64?
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17:20<@Ganneff>gael: please read what dpkg wrote to you.
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17:22<chealer>gael: pas vraiment, mais ce canal est anglophone.
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17:23<ignu>Can anyone tell me if there is a commandline that will add a launcher to the gnome-panel?
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17:35<SeveredCross>Not that I know of.
17:35<SeveredCross>I think gnome-panel launchers are in a folder somewhere.
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18:24<ziggy> /who
18:24<ziggy>can anyone see this?
18:24<Branden>Yes.
18:24<ziggy>ty
18:24<JimBob>If I want to upgrade to kernel 2.6.22, would I better use linux-image-2.6-<ARCH> or linux-image-2.6.22-3-<ARCH> (both are etch-backports). And should apt-get install <package> do the trick, or what else should i run?
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18:29<chealer>JimBob: the latter unless you want to keep your Linux (more or less) up-to-date in the future too. yes.
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18:32<JimBob>Right now, I'm actually only trying to find a kernel version that might work with my wlan usb stick ;)
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18:33<gsimmons>JimBob: What wireless device do you have?
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18:33<JimBob>It's a rt73
18:33<witte>!rt73
18:33<dpkg>The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>.
18:35<JimBob>well, thanks - I've tried plenty of those so far. couldn't get any combination getting to work reliably with wpa2...
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18:48<Ouroboros>is there a way to list all installed top-level (independent) packages?
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19:04<syekiya>Hi there, Ok, so I have DHCP3-Server installed, and configured, but, eth1 (The NIC card that is going to the second computer) isn't active, there are no blinking lights, and my other computer is saying that it's not plugged in, which means that there is no connectivity.
19:05<syekiya>I need to get my DHCP server to listen on eth1.
19:07<maspix>syekiya: This is more of a general connectivity thing, are you *DIRECTLY* connected to the second computer or are you going through a switch. (What I really mean is, are you in a situation where you have to use a crossover cable?)
19:08<syekiya>I'm directly connected using a CAT5 cable.
19:08<maspix>So are you using a crossover cable?>
19:08<syekiya>I'm not 100% sure on what that is..
19:08<Ouroboros>syekiya: you might need a crossover cable if you dont have Auto-MDIX
19:09<eheil>Hey, anyone have experiencing installing Etch on a Sun Ultra2?
19:09<gsimmons>syekiya: Once you've resolved your issue, amend /etc/default/dhcp-server to specify your desired interface.
19:09<maspix>syekiya: A crossover cable is the same as a normal cat5, but it has some of the wires done in a different order
19:09<amphi>many modern cards don't need a xover cable
19:10<amphi>syekiya: if you need one, the ethernet howto has instructions for making them
19:10<eheil>What happens here when i boot my U2 is that the firmware refuses to recognize the CD media as a bootable target..
19:10<syekiya>Well, my settup works on Window bridging the two network cards together.
19:10<Ouroboros>we wouldnt be having this problem at all if the retards who designed ethernet didnt make two types of ports...
19:11<maspix>*three
19:11<Ouroboros>?
19:11<maspix>There is that oddball serial one too
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19:11<maspix>I honestly forget the name of it, but it's to configure switches and routers and that sort of thing.
19:12<Ouroboros>not sure what you are talking about
19:12<syekiya>Ouroboros: That files does not exsist...
19:12<Ouroboros>maspix: you mean RS232 over CAT5 ?
19:12<syekiya>Shall I explain my situation a little more in detail?
19:12<Ouroboros>syekiya: no... try connecting through a hub/switch instead
19:13<Ouroboros>syekiya: if you dont have link lights, most likely the cable is wrong (is the interface up?)
19:13<syekiya>The interface was down, when I do ifconfig eth1 up, it goes up, but with no address or anything.
19:13<maspix>so it's not defined in /etc/network/interfaces?
19:14<syekiya>Let me look.
19:14<Ouroboros>put it into interfaces and use "ifup eth1" instead
19:15<syekiya>It is indeed not in the interfaces file..
19:15<Ouroboros>maspix: yeah those custom RJ-45 ports are a travesty.... i have also seen graphics cards with such ports that use them for sync and what not, among other things
19:15<Ouroboros>maspix: almost fried a card one time by plugging a network cable in
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19:15<syekiya>How do I "put it into interfaces"?
19:15<Ouroboros>syekiya: you should have eth0 there already, use it as an example
19:16<syekiya>Ok.
19:16<Ouroboros>syekiya: also 'man interfaces'
19:16<maspix>Ouroboros: ouch, but yeah the third type is a rollover cable. I had to look it up though.
19:16<Ouroboros>also anyone ever notice that USB-A plugs fit into RJ-45 jacks exactly width-wise? another disaster
19:17<maspix>Ouroboros: Job security I guess.
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19:17<syekiya>Ok. Its in there now and I'm getting a bunch of "DHCPDISCOVER's
19:17<syekiya>And, now it's "sleeping"
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19:19<Ouroboros>i am not sure why people think that using RJ-45 ports for non-ethernet is a good idea... they are not particularly good jacks anyway
19:19<Ouroboros>syekiya: do you have lights now?
19:19<syekiya>No, I do not.
19:19<Ouroboros>then you need a hub or crossover
19:20<maspix>why don't you take cable from the nic that is lit up
19:20<maspix>and stick it in the other one
19:20<maspix>and just see if it lights up
19:20<syekiya>It does.
19:20<syekiya>I've tried that.
19:20<maspix>Yeah, then you need a hub or crossover :(
19:20<Ouroboros>do you have a switch?
19:20<maspix>(or switch)
19:20<syekiya>Both cards work, because I've "bridged" in Windows.
19:20<syekiya>No, I do not.
19:21<Ouroboros>you could try making a cable, but its a pita without a proper crimper
19:21<maspix>On a side note I just wish the RJ-45s were more forgiving in how the plugs have to get put together. :(
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19:21<syekiya>I have a few network cables, is there a way to know which is which?
19:22<Ouroboros>syekiya: the crossover ones will usually have "crossover" printed on them, also they tend to be non-blue (yellow and red common)
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19:22<syekiya>Ok. I'll be right back, I'm going to see something.
19:22<maspix>or if you want to be specific if the colours of the tiny wires go as follows: orange-white, orange, green-white, blue, blue-white, green, brown-white, brown it's *** NOT *** a crossover (probably all of them actually.)
19:23<Ouroboros>or just try them all :)
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19:24<maspix>on a side note though syekiya I really don't know why you are trying to use DHCP. Even if you are connecting to a windows box they are easy enough to setup as static, and it would probably be easier to test...
19:25<syekiya>Ok, Am I still here?
19:25<Ouroboros>on a related note, how do you specify which interface the installer should use?
19:26<Ouroboros>syekiya: no
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19:27<maspix>Ouroboros: what do you mean by installer?
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19:27<Ouroboros>maspix: the installer cd
19:28<alaya>type gui or install at the prompt
19:28<syekiya>Ok, so what I did was change the ports, so they were revesed. All lights went on, but, eth1 wasn't getting the internet, even though it was assigned an IP address.
19:28<Ouroboros>ah
19:28<maspix>syekiya: did you use dhcp for it?
19:29<maspix>Just asking, in case this is a case of static ip snafuage.
19:29<syekiya>What do you mean?
19:29<maspix>When you editted /etc/network/interfaces, did you define eth1 as static or a dhcp call?
19:29<syekiya>dhcp
19:29<Ouroboros>syekiya: you connected the secondary port to your internet link? you need to set eth1 exactly as eth0 and do "ifdown eth0" then
19:30<Ouroboros>syekiya: and check what "route" says
19:30<maspix>Ouroboros is right, and I could only suspect that since you didn't ifdown eth0 the routing table got messed
19:30<syekiya>Ok. I'll try it again.
19:30<syekiya>Be right back.
19:30<Ouroboros>or just go buy a cable :)
19:31<maspix>Or see if eth0 has the ability to masquerade as a crossover, and blame eth1 for being old. :O
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19:32<syekiya_>Ok. Here we go!
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19:33<Ouroboros>yeah thats a good idea
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19:33<maspix>I'm going to repaste in case he didn't get it: Or see if eth0 has the ability to masquerade as a crossover, and blame eth1 for being old. :O
19:33<syekiya_>Ok, so now, my other computer is saying it's connected, but there is no internet.
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19:33<syekiya_>Let me see if I can connect to this machine localy.
19:34<Ouroboros>syekiya: so you have link on both cards now?
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19:35<syekiya_>Yes, I have link on both cards now. But, my other computer SEES as its connected, but no internet.
19:36<maspix>Have you gone through one of the NAT/Proxy tutorials that you got linked too earlier?
19:37<syekiya_>Hmmm. I guess not.. But, before I do that, I don't get this one thing... In my DHCP config, I set my range to be 192.0.0.1 192.0.0.99, and that computer got assigned 192.168.1.43.
19:37<Ouroboros>hm, i just removed all the xserver-xorg-video-* packages, why do only 2 of them show up as "rc" in dpkg? i thought all removed packaged end up that way unless you --purge
19:38<maspix>syekiya_: How are you configuring your internal networks?
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19:39<syekiya_>> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
19:41<maspix>syekiya_: I meant logistically. Are you defining your internal network 192.168.0.X and your external network 192.168.1.X?
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19:42<syekiya_>I don't get what you mean... My Modem assigns a address of: 192.168.1.*, but, in my config file for my local (computer to computer) I set a address of: 192.0.0.*
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19:44<Ouroboros>someone suggested deborphan and some other deb* tool to me yesterday?
19:44<maspix>syekiya_: The only thing I could say to definitely check is make sure the end computer (not the NAT box) is not static, or if it is a windows box run a ipconfig /release
19:44<maspix>and then an ipconfig /renew
19:45<maspix>This is going with the assumption that at one point you stuck the end computer that is now plugged into the NAT into the modem within like the last few days or something.
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19:49<maspix>Sorry syekiya I have to jet, I should be back in an hour or two if you are still having issues.
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19:51<chealer>Ouroboros: installer interface as in network interface or GTK vs TUI?
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19:51<Ouroboros>chealer: network
19:52<chealer>Ouroboros: you answer the installer's question
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19:52<chealer>Ouroboros: or do you mean it didn't prompt?
19:53<Ouroboros>chealer: oh, hm... maybe i am confused and i never tried it with 2 nics yet
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19:53<Ouroboros>oh yeah, it does prompt, ok, nevermind
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19:57<triptick>Hi there - if an upgrade work with dpkg but not with synaptic who do you report that sort of bug to - the gnome people?
19:57<syekiya_>Ok, so, when I run ifconfig eth1, it does not have an IP address, but it looks like it has an IPv6 address. :S
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19:58<syekiya_>Ah, sorry, eth0, that is the local network card.
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19:58<Ouroboros>syekiya_: the IPv6 address means nothing... how is eth0 configured in interfaces?
19:58<Supaplex>!tell triptick -about bts
19:58<Supaplex>triptick: reportbug synaptic if it's not already in bts
19:59<Supaplex>and only if it's a bug. "eg, by design isn't a bug unless there's a wishlist bug"
19:59<syekiya_>iface eth0 inet dhcp
19:59<Ouroboros>syekiya_: so after "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" there is no IP?
20:00<triptick>Supaplex I will look tomorrow - it's a third party app - Opera - so it may be by design - I'm not sure how to tell the difference
20:00<triptick>triptick but thatnks for the info
20:00<triptick>damn my typing
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20:01<syekiya_>It's doing DHCPDISCOVER, then it's going to sleep.
20:01<Supaplex>triptick: ahh. if it's not a debian package, then yea, not really our bad eh? :) btw, dpkg -i doesn't use /etc/apt/sources.list
20:01<syekiya_>It's saying there is no lease.
20:01<Ouroboros>syekiya_: this is on the client right
20:01<syekiya_>No, this is the server card.
20:02<Ouroboros>syekiya_: this is on the NAT machine or the internal machine?
20:02<syekiya_>This computer, which is the one I want to be the DHCP server to let the other computer have internet.
20:02<triptick>Supaplex yeah I think that is the issue synaptic kept saying the package was already installed.
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20:03<Ouroboros>syekiya_: i am confused, i thought you said the internet link works now?
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20:03<triptick>Supaplex it coould be opera anyway - this didn't happen with the last upgrade
20:04<desthin>allo?
20:04<syekiya_>Let me start over... Ok, I have two computers, one is Windows, and One is Linux, My Linux machine has 2 NIC cards, one where it accepts internet, and the other connects to the Windows machine, I want the Linux machine to give the Windows machine internet.
20:04<Ouroboros>yeah that is all clear
20:05<Ouroboros>but you are connected to IRC from your Linux machine?
20:05<syekiya_>Yes.
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20:05<Ouroboros>syekiya_: oh, eth0 is your internal interface now?
20:05<Ouroboros>syekiya_: ok, then you need to give it a static IP
20:05<syekiya_>Ok. How do I do this? And what IP should I give it?
20:06<Ouroboros>syekiya_: iface eth0 inet static, then look at the manpage for the rest of the options
20:06<Ouroboros>syekiya_: the IP should be on the same subnet as the DHCP client pool (and not overlap with it)
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20:06<chealer>Ouroboros: how did the packages end up?
20:06<syekiya_>Ok.
20:07<Ouroboros>chealer: which packages?
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20:08<chealer>Ouroboros: the xserver-xorg-video-* which are not rc
20:09<Ouroboros>chealer: ah, well they are not in the list at all
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20:10<syekiya_>AWESOME! I can have my client machine ping this one, so all that there is left to do, is making it so the internet works for that machine.
20:10<Ouroboros>i dont really care, just want to improve my udnerstanding of how it all works
20:11<syekiya_>Would I do that by; A: Defineing a shared-network with my DHCP server, or looking up a NAT or Proxyer server?
20:12<Ouroboros>syekiya_: NAT... all you need is 1 iptables rule
20:13<chealer>Ouroboros: really? which list?
20:13<syekiya_>Ok. I will do this tomorrow, I'm dead-beat tired. Thank you alllll so much for helping me this far along.
20:14<Ouroboros>chealer: dpkg -l
20:15<chealer>Ouroboros: that only lists installed packages
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20:15<chealer>syekiya_: I'd say none.
20:16<chealer>syekiya_: what kind of modem do you have?
20:16<Ouroboros>chealer: i thought removed packages show up with status "rc" ?
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20:17<chealer>Ouroboros: not necessarily
20:17<Ouroboros>i guess "rc" means configuration files remain, so its possible for a package to have no configuration files?
20:18<chealer>Ouroboros: right
20:18<Ouroboros>ok, makes sense
20:19<Ouroboros>well, my gnome install is now 550 MB, if only i could get rid of 50 MB more
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20:20<syekiya>Ok... I should just do this now... To do this NAT tables thing, what would I need to get?
20:20<chealer>syekiya: if you don't mind, what kind of modem do you have?
20:21<syekiya>It's a Westell 2200
20:21<chealer>syekiya: and what kind of connection to the ISP does this handle?
20:21<Ouroboros>syekiya: nothing... find an iptables NAT tutorial, but basically all you need to do is this: "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE"
20:21<syekiya>PPPoE
20:22<Ouroboros>syekiya: oops, "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE"
20:22<Ouroboros>syekiya: really you should figure out how to reverse the NIC names, this is getting confusing :)
20:22<chealer>syekiya: which device is the local point?
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20:23<syekiya>eth0 == Goes to Internet... Eth1 == Goes to other computer.
20:23<kapil>Ouroboros, sukeiya, you also need to enable ip forward between eth0 and eth1
20:23<chealer>syekiya: I mean...is your modem also a router?
20:23<Ouroboros>kapil: yes true
20:23<Ouroboros>syekiya: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
20:23<syekiya>Yes, it is, which I hate. But, I can't have more then one computer connected.
20:24<chealer>syekiya: aha. are you sure you can't connect directly from your modem?
20:25<syekiya>2 Computers cann't connect to the modem/router at once.
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20:26<chealer>syekiya: do you mean that the modem has a single Ethernet port, or that your ISP lends you a single IP address?
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20:26<syekiya>It has a single port.
20:27<chealer>syekiya: that's normal. does your ISP lend you a single IP address?
20:27<syekiya>Legaly... Yes... But, I can obtain more then one. ;)
20:28<chealer>syekiya: great. your router is also a DHCP server, right?
20:28<syekiya>Correct.
20:28<Ouroboros>then you just need a switch?
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20:29<syekiya>I can't buy anything, which is why I'm doing it this way.
20:29<chealer>syekiya: sorry if you already answered that, but is eth0 set to obtain an address via DHCP?
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20:29<syekiya>eth0 == Going to Internet, which gets an IP from the modem/router's DHCP server.
20:30<syekiya>eth1 goes from computer to other computer.
20:30<flash9>willy
20:30<chealer>syekiya: did you try setting up a bridge on the Debian machine?
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20:30<syekiya>I do not know how, and infact, I didn't know there was a way.
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20:30<chealer>syekiya: did you look at the bridge-utils package?
20:31<syekiya>I guess not.
20:31<syekiya>I just apt-getted it.
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20:32<syekiya>I would google this, but, I do not have desktop envir. So, I'm Googleless.
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20:33<ChiasmusSlidicus>!totem
20:33<dpkg>rumour has it, totem is a gnome movie player that can use either libxine or gstreamer. packaged as totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
20:35<chealer>syekiya: do it, that should be the start or all of your solution.
20:35<amphi>syekiya: install w3m ;)
20:35<chealer>syekiya: my sympathies...any problem?
20:36<syekiya>I'm finding out how to bridge now.
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20:38<chealer>syekiya: it's your modem which gets the Internet-reachable IP address, right?
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20:40<bighornram>on a new install of lenny, when I do apt-get upgrade I get E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata // what do I do?
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20:44<bighornram>any tips?
20:46<ChiasmusSlidicus>bighornram: perhaps your timezone and locale isn't set correctly?
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20:50<bighornram>time command gives me real 0m0.000s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s
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20:58<alaya>bighornram: ow. what does hwclock report?
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21:01<bighornram>there was a package listed tzdata-update in the list of updates needed. i did an apt-get install tzdata-update, it went in and now all is good.
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21:05<syekiya>Well, that didn't work, and that only caused more problems. Now eth1 will not let me gain ineternet access.
21:06<syekiya>I'm going to try one more quick thing, if it don't work, I'm going to bed, if it does, I'll come back and idle, none-the-less, I'll be back in the morning. Nite all.
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21:09<tdawgedogg>I restarted and my resolution went to shit and I think something is wrong with my nvidia drivers
21:09<syekiya_>Well, thats good, I'm back to eth1(internet) and eth0(local) so, I'm off to bed and will HOPEFULLY resolve the problem in the morning. Thanks All.
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21:17<Wi_Fi>hey guys
21:17<Wi_Fi>whats a good console wireless scanner
21:18<Staz>iwlist
21:18<Wi_Fi>sniffer
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21:26<m19algeriano>salut
21:27<m19algeriano>ya quelqun ??
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21:27<m19algeriano>hello
21:28<amphi>!fr
21:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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21:28<Katya>hi all
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21:29<lontra>hi
21:29<Katya>can some tell me the name of the software that reformats OGV as MPEG?
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21:38<Katya>can some tell me the name of the software that reformats OGV as MPEG?
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21:43<kcynice>i remove my old dvd device and installed a new Blu-ray device. But I can't find my new device by fdisk -l command
21:43<kcynice>someone would like to tell me how to use it?
21:44<lontra>Katya: use mencoder ffmeg
21:44<Katya>ok
21:44<lontra>Katya: ffmpeg -i input.ogv output.mpg
21:44<Katya>i found something on ubuntu forums
21:44<lontra>Katya: mencoder or ffmeg ... also use google ... that's how i solved your problem
21:44<Katya>lemme see
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21:45<lontra>Katya: or ... mencoder -idx input.ogv -ovc lavc -oac mp3lame -o output.avi
21:45<noflash>!tell rickbot_not_here -about away
21:45<Katya>i just want quick answers
21:45<lontra>Katya: it's quicker to wait here for 20 minutes and have me google it then do it yourself?
21:46<Katya>ok thanks mate
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21:46<chealer>!tell noflash -about away
21:47<chealer>noflash: it's about away messages
21:47<lontra>!tell chealer about noflash
21:48<lontra>nachomama?
21:48<chealer>I have no idea what it means
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21:49<Katya>lontra, the ffmpeg command works and is easier.
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21:50<lontra>well thank google and the ubuntu forum where it lived
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21:51<Katya>heh.. i was skeptic about the ffmpeg.. the guys there couldn't make it seem that it's working
21:51<lontra>it's b/c they use ubuntu
21:52<lontra>ubuntu is latin for debian covered with poo
21:52<Katya>oh right... amatures!
21:52<Katya>i really hate ubuntu
21:53<Katya>i think they disgraced debian
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21:55<Katya>debian also needs to make tutorial videos section
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21:55<Katya>that will make them beat all other distros
21:55<lontra>O_o kde4 lock screen button froze X ... best no press that again :P
21:56<Katya>something like videos.debian.org
21:56<lontra>like youtube but for debian developers?
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21:57<Katya>not really.. just a page where all tutorials are in video format in english with subtitles
21:57<Katya>for translations
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21:58<Katya>cos there is a perception that debian IS hard
21:58<lontra>oh i see ... like a wiki?
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21:58<lontra>wiki.debian.org
21:58<Katya>while i found that it's so easy
21:58<Katya>i hate wiki
21:59<Katya>just as i said
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22:00<Katya>video.debian.org and links to tutorials
22:00<raulSlacker>komo instalo windos :$
22:00<Katya>nothing more
22:00<debian_>i want to set up vsftpd server with multiple users and one home directory
22:00<debian_>does anyone know of a easy way i can get this done or point me right direction..?
22:00<raulSlacker>_HOW to INSTALL windows vista :$
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22:01<Katya>raulSlacker, what?? what has shit to do with hello?
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22:34<kapil>k-man: "route -n |grep default" will show the interface used. then use "ifconfig".
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22:35<k-man>no, i mean, outside of NAT
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22:35<Staz>you could write a script that parses a webpage that gives you your external PC. Depending on your setup you might be able to telnet into your gateway device and look at the IP assigned to the ppp interface.
22:36<Staz>or use SNMP to get interface information from the appropriate device.
22:37<k-man>i was just wondering if there was some already written thing that comes with debian
22:37<k-man>doesn't matter
22:37<k-man>it was a one of need
22:37<k-man>i found it another way
22:37<Staz>s/external PC/external IP/
22:38<Staz>k-man : next time it would be far more useful if you gave us an idea of your network topology :)
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22:38<k-man>Staz, yeah.. sory
22:38<kapil>k-man: the website www.dnsstuff.com gives you the info. so something like "w3m -dump | grep 'Your Ip:'" should work.
22:38<k-man>s/sory/sorry
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22:39<k-man>kapil, yeah
22:39<k-man>i know i could write something
22:39<k-man>just thought there might be a standard way of doing it
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22:40<Supaplex>~lart overcast skies
22:40*dpkg frags overcast skies with his BFG9000
22:41<Supaplex>you know, that might actually work, dpkg. :)
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22:49<silent>any way to turn off ctrl+f launching the goddamn terminal?
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22:53<kapil>silent: use a different user interface?
22:54<silent>kapil, it's global
22:54<silent>kapil, it's not part of gnome hotkeys either
22:54<silent>ort xbindkeys
22:54<silent>or*
22:54<kapil>silent: window manager perhaps
22:55<silent>kapil, I only have flux and ... whatever gnome uses by default, 2 cannot run at once
22:55<kapil>then look in the config file for flux
22:56<silent>kapil, it's launching bash
22:57<kapil>the default window manager for gnome used to be metacity.
22:59<SeveredCross>Still is.
23:00<silent>ok, this wouldn't be a metacity prob then?
23:00<kapil>silent: could very well be
23:00<silent>kapil, fun
23:01<kapil>most win-mans will have a hotkey for starting a terminal "just in case" the user enters the window manager and the menu system fails.
23:03<debian_>i want to set up vsftpd server with multiple users and one home directory
23:03<debian_>does anyone know of a easy way i can get this done or point me right direction..?
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23:04<kapil>silent: here is url which may help http://www.gungeralv.org/notes/archives/000323.php
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23:06<alaya>ok debian's kvm is confusing
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23:07<alaya>kvm and qemu are supposed to be seperate? is there an alternate qemu command than the standard one to use for kvm?
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23:14<SeveredCross>KVM and QEMU have always been separate.
23:14<SeveredCross>Are you maybe thinking of KQEMU and QEMU?
23:18<alaya>ah i found the info at http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian i was invoking with qemu instead of kvm command
23:18<alaya>invoking with qemu command means it didn't use the kvm-intel HW virtualization
23:19<alaya>happy lunar eclipse everyone btw
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23:20<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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23:22<miksuh>alaya: too much clouds, it was not possible to see it
23:22<sime>hi guys
23:22<miksuh>but stellarium shows lunar eclipses too :)
23:22<alaya>miksuh: its not that big a deal anyways
23:23<sime>am i at the right place to get help with my soundcard?
23:23<alaya>yes
23:23<alaya>if you are using debian ;-)
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23:24<sime>I am ;)
23:24<alaya>!tell sime about alsa
23:25<sime>can I paste one line from my lspci ?
23:26<alaya>3 lines ore more use pastebin
23:26<sime>ok then here it goes
23:26<sime>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Cont
23:26<sime>I guess this is my sound card
23:26<alaya>no that's a smbus
23:26<sime>when I google it it give me snd-intel8x0
23:27<sime>ok then...
23:27<alaya>try aplay -l
23:27<alaya>lspci will list as Audio device:
23:28<sime>aplay: device_list:243: snd_ctl_pcm_next_device
23:28<RIVE>sime, in my laptop i have intel hardware, to make sound work have to compile alsa.
23:28<RIVE>My lap is a Dell 1520.
23:28<sime>RIVE, i think i have alsa
23:29<alaya>shouldn't need to compile it unless its some ultra-bleeding edge chipset
23:29<alaya>i have fairly new laptop with intel hd audio, works great
23:29<sime>My computer is an 1u with Gigabyte ga-8ld533
23:29<alaya>sime: read the factoid info i sent you
23:29<RIVE>alaya, compiling is the only way to make it work in my laptop.
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23:30<sime>alsaconf finds mpu401 snd-mpu401
23:32<alaya>sime: read the factoid. follow it. come back and ask if it fails, which it probably won't
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23:32<sime>alaya, as you wish
23:32<sime>;)
23:32<sime>i hate sound cards
23:33<sime>will i get kick if I post a link from ebay
23:33<sime>i want to show you my new baby..a real deal!
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23:39<alaya>kvm kicks ass
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23:41<sime>how can I check that the OSS drivers that may trouble alsa are not hard compiled in the kernel?
23:42<alaya>sime: they are not
23:43<alaya>because they are built as modules with debian
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23:47<sime>ok thx
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23:57<sime>No mixer elems found ???
23:58<sime>I have no pcm in /dev/snd/
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23:58<sime>only have controlC0 midiC0D0 seq timer
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