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---Logopened Thu Feb 21 00:00:29 2008
00:02<alaya>did you follow the alsa-checklist?
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00:02<alaya>wow i cannot believe how low cpu usage is now with kvm
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01:36<twb>Any sshfs & pam_mount fans around? pam_mount is borking but sshfs works if I invoke it by hand -- this is the same issue described at
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01:52<alaya>ok. i run a command with & at the end. it runs, but doesn't return the prompt. i hit enter and it returns the prompt but then says "Stopped"
01:53<twb>& backgrounds jobs
01:53<alaya>no duh
01:53<twb>Forgive me for not knowing how dumb you are.
01:54<alaya>doesn't explain why the job stops when hitting enter
01:54<twb>Ah, would this be a job like ssh, which immediately needs to talk to a tty?
01:54<alaya>i must fg 1 to unstop it
01:54<alaya>its kvm virtual machine
01:54<twb>You could try nohup kvm &
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01:55<twb>Or kvm <. &, to see if it gets upset if stdin isn't a tty
01:58<alaya>doesn't like either
01:58<alaya>i don't get the Stopped message, but its not running
01:59<Slydder>morning all
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02:04<Supaplex>what can I do to make cursor movement under synergy+ssh more responsive and fluid?
02:04<alaya>twb: -vnc :0 was the option it needed, not -nographic
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02:05<Supaplex>it's choppy. the lan isn't heaivly utilized (switch has 2.1gbps of backplane, and I bet not even 5mbit of it is in use atm). load averages on both machines are less than 0.20
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02:07*alaya wonders if there will ever be a point when the linux kernel does not crash on suspend/resume intermittently with various releases
02:07<Supaplex>oh, and the router has a load of 0.00 too.
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02:08<alaya>Supaplex: how does that differ from a KVM switch?
02:09<Supaplex>directly on the host, it's responsive and fluid
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02:11<alaya>something like editing /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/sensitivity ?
02:11<Supaplex>typing seems unaffected. my 45wpm+ doesn't backfill
02:11<alaya>that's how i can set my trackpoint sensitivity
02:12<Supaplex>I haven't even done anything, and right now it's responsive. it's elusive like this.
02:13<jm_>tried using it without ssh just for test?
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02:19<Supaplex>seems to act better that way. I think I'll drop -c to blowfish
02:19<Supaplex>gah. no change.
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02:27<_noble->I've only used debian but am I wrong to think that ubuntu is pretty much the same?
02:28<_noble->was thinking about instaling it on my mrs comuter whichs run like utter shit in XP
02:28<jm_>it's not the same
02:31<Supaplex>!tell _noble- -about ubuntu
02:31<_noble->yeah I was more or less asking for opinions
02:32<_noble->hell, I already have debian on disc, she'
02:32<_noble->she'll just have to live with it!
02:36<alaya>_noble-: its very stable
02:36<alaya>_noble-: maybe not as bleeding edge, but that's probably not what she needs anyway
02:37<alaya>_noble-: fwiw i have debian running on my parent's machine, and its really low-maintenance
02:37<_noble->oh cool
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02:38<_noble->only she does is check myspace now and then adn play sims
02:38<alaya>_noble-: only real PITA has been printer/scanner config, but that was because of their poor choice of incompatible model
02:38<_noble->if I can get those working decent on debian, it'll be worth it
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02:38<Requiem>anybody here familiar with graphics performance in WINE
02:38<alaya>_noble-: just install iceweasel (equiv. of firefox) and check out the debian-multimedia archive and install stuff like non-free flash
02:39<_noble->alaya, cool thanks ;)
02:39<_noble->better get to work on it
02:39<_noble->time to put on paganini :)
02:39<alaya>_noble-: set her up with xine/vlc/xmms/streamtuner and she'll have a kickass multimedia workstation too
02:39<Requiem>also, that reminds me, is there a way to make iceweasel display firefox to websites
02:40<Requiem>having trouble paying my bills
02:40<alaya>!tell _noble- about debian-multimedia
02:40<alaya>yeah it kicks ass
02:40<alaya>playing shoutcast & other streams through xmms
02:40<jm_>Requiem: yes there is
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02:41<Requiem>cool, how
02:41<jm_>the easiest way is to use user-agent switcher extension
02:41<_noble->alaya, any certain desktop you'd recommend over another ?
02:42<alaya>_noble-: i happen to like kde
02:42<alaya>_noble-: its as simple or complex as you want it to be. gnome to me just seems like it forces simple on you.
02:44<alaya>oh damn opensuse installer blew up under kvm
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02:46<_noble->alaya, thanks for all the info, I'll bbiab
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02:49<Requiem>hmm, it'll do IE7, so I suppose that works
02:49<Slydder>for all interested:
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03:02<donny>what program will scan all the IPs in a certain range for open ssh ports? i hate having to guess what address DHCP has given one of the other machines on the LAN and i haven't set up WINS or anything
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03:03<JustSoul>How to edit kde menu from console (I'm making script)?
03:03<donny>jm_: thanks
03:03<jm_>donny: or p0f
03:03<donny>jm_: is that in Etch?
03:03<alaya>JustSoul: maybe someone in #debian-kde can answer
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03:04<jm_>donny: nmap is, pof isn't
03:04<jm_>donny: ahh it is, silly me
03:04<TurboX>where i can configure firewall in debian
03:05<alaya>TurboX: many ways
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03:05<TurboX>bash script with firewall in /etc/init.d/
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03:05<TurboX>doesn't start
03:05<alaya>TurboX: or use a frontend like shorewall
03:05<jm_>donny: actually no, p0f is just fingerprinting tool, I thought it can scan for ports too, but apparently no
03:05<TurboX>i like iptables ;]
03:06<TurboX>a write bash script
03:06<donny>jm_: thanks for showing me nmap. this will save me a lot of time until i get around to setting up smoe kind of nameserver
03:06<TurboX>doesn't start
03:06<JustSoul>alaya: may be..
03:06<jm_>donny: dnsmasq works beautifully for simple setups
03:06<TurboX>maybe I should configure other file ??
03:06<jm_>TurboX: man update-rc.d or better yet, use pre-up or post-up in interfaces file
03:07<jm_>or if you use ppp(oe) it can be in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
03:07<TurboX>ok i try ;]
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---Logclosed Thu Feb 21 03:40:55 2008
---Logopened Thu Feb 21 03:40:58 2008
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---Logclosed Thu Feb 21 03:54:18 2008
---Logopened Thu Feb 21 03:54:21 2008
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04:10<n0ble>Using debian etc and trying to apt-get upgrade and apt-get install kde and getting tons of errors. Failed to fetch, 404 not found. any ideas what's wrong here?
04:11<jm_>your entries in sources.list
04:11<jm_>or your networking isn't working
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04:12<n0ble>I checked my entries in sources.list, they seem ok to me. And website and stuff work fine so I assume net is working ;(
04:12<jm_>'apt-get --print-uris update' and check things manually
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04:14<n0ble>hmm no errors
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04:14<jm_>well of course, it only prints URL-s it tries to access
04:18<n0ble>everything worked fine so far until I tried to install kde, it can't seem to find it
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04:19<n0ble>what's the country code for usa?
04:20<ajf>I'm hoping somebody might be able to help me with an NFS problem. I asked about 15 hours ago and didn't get a single response :(
04:23<ajf>I have an entry in /etc/fstab for an nfs share, but for some reason it doesn't get mounted during boot
04:23<ajf>It mounts fine after though and I've set the _netdev option as documented in various places
04:23<kp>u restart services?
04:24<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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04:26<ajf>kp: Was that directed at me?
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04:27<n0ble>he was asking if you restarted services?
04:28<ajf>oh, what on the server?
04:29<ajf>Looking at the bootlog, its like networking isn't fully up in time, so the mount fails
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04:30<kp>sudo /etc/init.d/portmap restart
04:30<kp>sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart
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04:32<ajf>Its just on initial boot that I have the problem. How does restarting portmap and nfs-common help here?
04:33<kp>so u can mount it now, it does not auto remount?
04:34<ajf>I *could* just add an entry to rc.local, but I'd prefer to fix the problem instead of hacking around it
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04:37<jm_>what does the mount say?
04:37<ajf>If I've got this right, local filesystems are mounted first and network filesystems are mounted only after networking has been started.
04:37<jm_>you would see that in bootlog
04:37<ajf>Yeah, I do see that in bootlog, but the mount fails
04:38<ajf>I'm rebooting now, I'll paste the relevant 4 lines of log when its back up
04:38<moise7000>Hi all!
04:38<moise7000>We've encountered a little problem this on our name server, the named processes was eating waiting load, and no more responding on the DMZ side but well on then LAN. Someone has an idea?
04:38<ajf>Thu Feb 21 09:36:43 2008: Setting up networking....
04:38<ajf>Thu Feb 21 09:36:43 2008: Configuring network interfaces...Starting portmap daemon....
04:38<ajf>Thu Feb 21 09:37:01 2008: mount to NFS server '' failed: server is down.
04:38<ajf>Thu Feb 21 09:37:07 2008: mount to NFS server '' failed: server is down.
04:38<ajf>Thu Feb 21 09:37:07 2008: done.
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04:39<petemc>moise7000: tried restarting bind ?
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04:39<moise7000>yes it work now but I want to know why...
04:39<moise7000>And nothing found in logs...
04:39<petemc>check the logs
04:39<ajf>ouch, how much can you paste before you get kicked?
04:39<moise7000>Already done :)
04:40<petemc>moise7000: its impossible to say, but its not uncommon to have to restart bind every once in a while
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04:40<moise7000>It's not normal for me ...
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04:41<moise7000>A system daily updated must be... stable and safe. ^^
04:41<moise7000>(I know a system on internet is never safe enough... lol)
04:41<petemc>ajf: just dont paste at all
04:42<petemc>use a pastebin
04:42<blarson>!tell ajf about pastebin
04:43<ajf>If I have to paste anything else, I'll check that out first
04:44<ajf>meanwhile, you did get those 7 lines I so rudely pasted?
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04:45<petemc>you get kicked after 4
04:45<petemc>tho you snuck 5 in..
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04:49<ajf>lines 30 and 31 are the 2 attempts at mounting the nfs. Both fail.
04:50<jm_>ajf: well it looks like it happens too early
04:50<ajf>Yeah, is networking only fully set up at line 32?
04:51<jm_>do you try to mount it via interfaces file?
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04:52<ajf>eth0 is setup in the interfaces file. The nfs share is just in fstab
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04:54<jm_>yeah but that looks like it's happening while ifup is running
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04:54<ajf>instead of after
04:55<jm_>or it's run as post-up or so, check stuf fin /etc/network/if-* dirs
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04:56<ajf>I haven't got a if-post-up.d
04:57<ajf>The mountnfs script is in the if-up.d directory
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04:57<jm_>well then
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04:57<jm_>that's where it's called from
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04:57<jm_>that explains portmap start too
04:58<ajf>So in which case, *why* haven't I got a post-up directory?
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04:59<jm_>there is no post-up dir
04:59<ajf>ah right, for a second I thought you were implying it was just me
05:00<jm_>yeah post-up and up are the same in interfaces file, but in that diryou only have one
05:01<jm_>perhaps stick ping -c 1 in the script and showmount -e
05:01<jm_>see what it says
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05:09<Axel-Akad>a Penguin is a good Logo for Linux. What does not fly can not crash.
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05:23<ajf>But with that extra delay introduced, the second mount attempt is now successful
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05:24<jm_>yup, happening too soon then
05:25<ajf>So its a race condition bug that should be filed against which package? :)
05:26<jm_>try this: grep nfsmount /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst*
05:27<Axel-Akad>u trying to mount your own local NFS filesystem ?
05:27<ajf>no, nfs server is remote
05:27<jm_>ahh it's mountnfs :P
05:28<Axel-Akad>ok.. but it says "server down".. so how come ? dies NFS client needs local portmapper ?
05:28<jm_>part of initscripts package
05:29<Axel-Akad>it ?
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05:31<ajf>The nfsmount script does start the portmapper before it attempts the mount, but the network isn't up in time
05:32<ajf>Maybe my network switch is taking too long to enable the port or something
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05:33<n0ble>trying to install a program via wine, error -> fixme:process:IsWow64Process (0xffffffff 0x34e79c) stub! | any ideas what this means?
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05:34<jm_>ajf: maybe check kernel messages arround that time
05:34<ajf>good idea
05:35<jm_>or run ethtool eth0 in the script instead of ping (maybe several times with 0.1s delay)
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05:37<ajf>kernel messages recorded in syslog have lost their original timestamps
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05:38<jm_>indeed, that's not a trivial task
05:38<ajf>klogd starts later in the boot process and reads initial data from /proc/kmsg
05:38<jm_>you can run dmesg in the script too
05:39<jm_>or configure your kernel to print that stuff on console and it will interleave with regular init script messages
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05:54<Winball>Seeded 500GB of 40r3-i386 isos in the last 20 hours, I've done my work then?
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05:55<ajf>odd, ethtool's output isn't recorded properly in /var/log/boot
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05:56<ajf>I get 'Settings for eth0' and then a whole load of blank lines
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05:57<azeem>pilgrim: did he /msg you?
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05:57<ajf>however, I was paying attention as it all flew by.
05:57<ajf>Link detected: yes, and then the mount still failed as before
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05:58<Kharn>'lo all
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05:58<pilgrim><azeem> see time stamp: 02:10 this page
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05:59<azeem>pilgrim: use proper IRC adressing, please
05:59<azeem>"<nick> foo" is considered a quotation
05:59<azeem>"nick: foo" is addressing nick
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06:00<pilgrim><aseem> sorry; new to IRC. I'll RTM some more. Thanks for the alert.
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06:01<ajf>I also get 'ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready' before the mount is attempted, so it looks increasingly likely my netgear smart switch is taking too long to let traffic through on the newly connected port
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06:03<jm_>ajf: try that manually - ifdown eth0; then ifup eth0 and watch status on the switch
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06:07<ajf>The link light certainly comes up quickly enough
06:07<ajf>For anything else, I guess I'm gonna have to RTM
06:07<jm_>which driver is this?
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06:11<Axel-Akad>pilgrim: lol. thanks
06:11<jm_>it has tg3_debug parameter
06:13<Axel-Akad>ajf: im not so familiar with linux and if setup. but usualy a LINK UP does not mean that IP is also setup properly, which is required.
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06:13<weasel>eww. status nicks suck
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06:14<Kebianizao|work>anyone familiar with denyhosts? I set myself as allowed hosts (using wildcards) and denyhosts added me to the list of the denied hosts
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06:20<ajf>despite the fact that I really think we might be getting somewhere ...
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06:21*Axel-Akad dont even knows denyhosts... investigating
06:21<ajf>I've got shed loads of other work to do and the boss is getting twitchy
06:21<ajf>After all, I know that a 'sleep 5' will just make the problem disappear
06:21<Kebianizao|work>Axel-Akad: is a script to deny access to suspicious hosts trying to access your machine unlegimitately
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06:22<Kebianizao|work>ajf: is that for me?
06:22<ajf>Kebianizao: nah, sorry
06:25<Kebianizao|work>well, I think DH behaviours it's a little misleading, A. 3.9 in the FAQ lokos to address the issue, I'll try
06:25<alaya>if it only blocks hosts doing brute-force ssh attacks, you might consider fail2ban instead
06:25<Kebianizao|work>I had to rely on privative plesk to enter my server
06:25<alaya>instead of using hosts.deny it uses iptables rules
06:26<Kebianizao|work>alaya: what's the advantage on that?
06:26<alaya>well i prefer firewall rules like that myself
06:26<alaya>its personal choice i guess
06:27<pilgrim><azeem> I won't post links again if that's a no-no. But I can't find a "why" unless you mistook it for some kind of promo.
06:27<azeem>pilgrim: you misunderstood
06:27<Kebianizao|work>alaya: ok, thanks for the pointer, I'll take that into account
06:28<Axel-Akad>alya iptables are usualy static. i guess he needs a more dynamic , self-protecting solution to protect sshd from hackers
06:28<alaya>Axel-Akad: huh?
06:28<Axel-Akad>alaya - the denyhosts thing... u know
06:29<Kebianizao|work>I guess fail2ban should update rules somehow, right? otherwise it wouldn't be of muhc use
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06:29<alaya>no i don't. you are not clear
06:29<pilgrim><azeem> Clearly; I'm just trying to learn the ropes. I'm embarrassed I did something inappropriate.
06:29<alaya>i mean, read the package description at a minimum before making comments
06:29<azeem>pilgrim: by posting the link as "<Axel-Akad> http://...", I assumed Axel-Akad actually posted the link, as (as I explained above) "<nick> ..." is considered a quotation on IRC. As he did not paste the link in the channel, I wondered whether he might have /msg'd you the link, thus spamming you
06:29<Axel-Akad>alaya . u recommented firewall-rules (iptables etc), right ?
06:30<alaya>Axel-Akad: don't put words in my mouth. no. did not. recommended looking into fail2ban
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06:30<azeem>pilgrim: whether or not it was fine to post the link is debateable, it's slightly off-topic, but not a big prblem
06:30<Axel-Akad>alaya - k . then.. just ..nevermind :)
06:31<Kebianizao|work>I'm sad to say that if it weren't for the privative plesk stuff I wouldn't know how to recover that server. It created a new virtual server and placed my real server FS on /repair
06:31<alaya>Axel-Akad: recommending that is not the same as recommending iptables
06:31<pilgrim><Azeem> Aha! I won't make that mistake again. Thanks.
06:31<azeem>pilgrim: you're just doing it again
06:31<azeem>address people with their nick followed by a colon, not with angle brackets
06:32<azeem>not <pilgrim>
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06:32<kapil>azeem: he quoted "Azeem" not "azeem" :-)
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06:32<azeem>kapil: let's not make it more difficult than it is
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06:32<kapil>azeem: sorry.
06:33<kapil>pilgrim: you might want to start by just saying things to the room instead of to individuals.
06:33<kapil>like this.
06:33<alaya>must be the default nick completion setting thing in his IRC client
06:34<pilgrim>azeem: Is this the way it is supposed to appear?
06:34<alaya>pilgrim: go into settings and change configuration for nick completion to not use <>
06:34<azeem>pilgrim: yes, thanks
06:34<kapil>pilgrim: you've got it.
06:35<azeem>pilgrim: the reason <pilgrim> is considered a quote is because you can easy copy&paste other's lines then
06:35<azeem>12:34 < kapil> pilgrim: you've got it.
06:35<azeem>like this
06:35<pilgrim>azeem -kapil: I was just 2 secs ahead with the "nick completion thing. Who knew. Thanks much.
06:35<ajf>a 'sleep 5' doesn't make the problem disappear!
06:35<jm_>ajf: try ping -c 3
06:36<ajf>I tried a ping -c 30
06:36<ajf>Only the last 8 packets made it!
06:36<jm_>it's gettingh weirder
06:36<Axel-Akad>ajf: wow!!
06:37<jm_>ajf: does switch shof traffic?
06:37<Axel-Akad>ajf: thats maybe 22 sec delay for the startup..
06:37<alaya>some weird arp cache thing on the switch?
06:37<ajf>I've just downloaded the manual
06:38<alaya>i've seen switched do weird things, like route one IP address to a completely different interface, because it cached the association with one port and didn't clear the cache fast enough
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06:40<alaya>or when you'd switch to a different port on the switch, it would take it a few minutes to "learn" it and route to the interface through it
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06:44<ajf>You wouldn't have thought it'd have to relearn in this case though
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06:46<alaya>maybe it has to do with Fast Link optimized STP protocol convergence?
06:46<panagos>there was an option for ntfs-3g which allowed seeing special files (e.g. /$MFT) in ntfs partitions with ls, but it was recently removed. does anyone know why? and how can i ree-enable this functionality?
06:47<alaya>ajf: or maybe dynamic address aging or something. a lot of crap in the manual.
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06:48<alaya>ajf: there's a Dynamic Address Clear Table option...
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06:52<ajf>I haven't played with it at all yet
06:53<ajf>I'm trying to get onto its web interface as we speak
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07:17<sajan_ruh>hello ant_
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07:23<ajf>got it!
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07:24<ajf>disabling STP on the switch fixes the problem
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07:25<Axel-Akad>hmm spanning tree "relearns" every time the "infrastructure" is changed.. like something is plugged in
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07:25<Axel-Akad>or and interface got up
07:26<Axel-Akad>maybe u can disable STP just on one single port
07:26<Axel-Akad>instead of whole switch
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07:29<ajf>yeah, I think that's possible, but really its not needed here at the moment
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07:31<ajf>STP is only useful when you've got a mesh of switches
07:31<Axel-Akad>else kickit
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07:32<ajf>Thanks for you help working through this problem
07:32<Axel-Akad>im innocent... i didnt do anything...
07:32<ajf>Hopefully I can get some actual work done now!
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07:33<ajf>alaya: thanks for suggesting STP
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07:37<Axel-Akad>uhhh damn!! im so noob with regex and good old cli tools
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07:38<Axel-Akad>i want to EXTRACT IP Adresses from a logfile. output should be a list of IP adresses (like x.x.x.x) where is one like per ip adress
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07:39<Axel-Akad>cut - does not make the job well, since the possition of the ip adress is not always the same. so i need something like a "dynamic cut"
07:39<Axel-Akad>any suggestions ?
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07:40<Axel-Akad>is grep able to just show the "filter" but not the whole line ?
07:41<Axel-Akad>oh thanks then
07:41<Branden>Can someone tell me what sources I should have in /etc/atp/sources.list ?
07:41<padski>Axel-Akad, sed
07:41<Axel-Akad>sed? hmmm
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07:42<Axel-Akad>as a filter?
07:42<padski>Axel-Akad, sounds ideal for your stated task.
07:42<tzafrir_home>Axel-Akad, sources for what?
07:43<tzafrir_home>what distro?
07:44<Axel-Akad>tzafrir_home - didnt asked for sources
07:44<tzafrir_home>err, Branden , not Axel-Akad
07:44<Branden>I have Debian, and sources for APT-GET.
07:44<tzafrir_home>well, don't you have sources there?
07:45<tzafrir_home>what version of Debian?
07:45<Branden>Yes, but I get errors.
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07:45<Branden>I'm not sure... How do I check?
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07:45<tzafrir_home>Branden, also try #debian
07:45<tzafrir_home>oops, sorry, I thought I was in another channel
07:46<Branden>Lol.. I was going to say...
07:46<tzafrir_home>do try #debian, though :-)
07:46<Axel-Akad>jm_ - can u name a option/switch to make grep NOT output the whole matching line, but just the result of the expression ? i did not find something similar in man grep
07:46<Branden>Shall I /hop and make off I was never here?
07:46<tzafrir_home>pastebin your sources.list and the errors you get
07:47<jm_>Axel-Akad: yes I can
07:48<jm_> -o, --only-matching
07:48<jm_> Show only the part of a matching line that matches PATTERN.
07:48<jm_>!tell Axel-Akad -about yes or no
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07:50<Axel-Akad>jm_ - duh ?! rechecking man page
07:50<jm_>hehe free
07:50<tzafrir_home>Branden, that error usually means the download failed for some reason. Do you see any more specific error before it?
07:50<Axel-Akad>jm_ - its not in my manpage of grep
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07:50<tzafrir_home>I would geenrally remove the last line, or replace "stable" there with "etch"
07:50<jm_>Axel-Akad: if you don't have it, your version of grep is very old, i.e. from 2001
07:50<Branden>No. There are no errors before it. I ran APT-GET CHECK.
07:51<jm_>Branden: remove " free"
07:51<jm_>last line
07:51<tzafrir_home>so when Lenny becomes stable your system doesn't magically upgrade
07:51<Axel-Akad>jm_ - i got debian etch with all recent updates.
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07:51<jm_>Axel-Akad: grep in Etch definitely knows -o switch
07:51<Axel-Akad>jm_ ok...
07:51<jm_>Axel-Akad: see /usr/share/doc/grep/changelog.gz, line 56
07:52<panagos>why is ping setuid root?
07:53<Branden>Is there no apt-get for WEBMIN?
07:53<Axel-Akad>jm_ - confirmed. sad that man page does not contain this option
07:53<gsimmons>!tell Branden -about webmin
07:53<jm_>Axel-Akad: it does
07:53<Axel-Akad>Branden - have u tried "apt-cache search 'webmin'" yet ?
07:53<jm_>Axel-Akad: I pasted it from the man page
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07:54<Axel-Akad>jm_ . then why are my man pages so damn old !?
07:54<jm_>panagos: because it wouldn't work for regular users otherwise
07:54<panagos>jm_: why? :)
07:54<Axel-Akad>jm_: oh wait a sec... i got german man pages. ill try to remove them..
07:55<jm_>panagos: icmp sockets
07:55<jm_>panagos: SOCK_RAW
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08:00<Axel-Akad>jm_ - thanks a lot man! indeed.. just the german man pages are not up to date. the english version is fine
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08:23<grummund>is there any difference between telinit 1 and telinit s ?
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08:24<padski>how do I ctrl-alt-del in a qemu window ?
08:25<jm_>padski: use its command console?
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08:25<jm_>sendkey ctrl-alt-del
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08:25<jm_>or delete I think
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08:26<padski>jm_, it has a command console? ;-)
08:26<Axel-Akad>what wrong with that? i want to extract IP Adresses from a file >>> grep -o '[:digit:]*\.[:digit:]*\.[:digit:]*\.[:digit:]*' somefile.txt
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08:26<padski>jm_, I'll try running it outside simple-cdd then, thanks :-)
08:26<jm_>padski: Ctrl-Alt-n where 2 Monitor
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08:27<jm_>Axel-Akad: grep -Eo '([0-9]+.){3}[0-9]+'
08:28<nick>kto pomojet 4ainiku????)))
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08:30<Axel-Akad>jm_ - oh shit!! Thanks Guru!!
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08:34<jm_>you should use [[:digit:]] if you want to use that
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08:42<drew>can anyone help. im trying to get 2 monitors working. they are fine, just on the wrong side of each other and "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf" left or right makes no difference
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08:42<JustSoul>nick: #debian-russian
08:42<kapil>padski: iirc, Ctrl-a h gives the monitor commands for qemu.
08:43<jm_>drew: that's with nvidia driver, right?
08:43<drew>i can upload my xorg.conf if it helps?
08:43<jm_>drew: try #nvidia here or on freenode
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08:43<jm_>just type help to get all the commands
08:44<drew>i used the tool but it does wact stuff like span the toolbars over both screens and center windows between monitors
08:47<drew>cheers jm_ ill give #nvidia a shot..
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09:01<Axel-Akad>jm_ - seems grep -Eo '([0-9]+.){3}[0-9]+' isnt that good. results contains strange numbers too >>
09:02<jm_>Axel-Akad: uhh forgot to quote . :)
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09:02<Axel-Akad>hmmm quote ? or escape ? like \.
09:03<jm_>yeah \.
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09:03<Axel-Akad>ahhhh!! grep -Eo ' ([0-9]+\.){3}[0-9]+' somefile.txt with the leading SPACE within quotes looks sweeet! and dot is escaped
09:04<Axel-Akad>outlook looks pretty!!
09:04<Axel-Akad>thanks a lot
09:04<Axel-Akad>duh.. forget the space... just waste
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09:07<talvon>Hrm. no usbcore module. how to i check if it was compiled into the kernel?
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09:08<jm_>talvon: ls /boot/config-*
09:08<crazyb0y>very strange, i'm using debian testing, yesterday i had mod_cband for apache2 in the package list, today after i did apt-get update, there's no mod_cband package =)
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09:09<crazyb0y>any ideas? have to wait? or what? it isn;t supported anymore?
09:09<jm_>!why is libapache2-mod-cband not in testing
09:09<dpkg>libapache2-mod-cband is not in testing for the reasons listed in
09:10<crazyb0y>jm_: i'm doing apt-get update twice a week
09:10<crazyb0y>before few days it was there =(
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09:10<gsimmons>crazyb0y: See also Debian bug #463789.
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09:12<crazyb0y>and that's the reason?
09:12<crazyb0y>and nobody is going to compile it ? =PP
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09:13<crazyb0y>is there a chance to be repaired this thing in few days?
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09:14<EldKatt>I'm getting "permission denied" when I try to access an external USB hard drive (NTFS) as user. Root works fine. I've set the "user" option in fstab. Any ideas?
09:15<Torsten_W>EldKatt: user jas nothing to do with write permissions
09:15<Torsten_W>EldKatt: u use ntfs-3g?
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09:15<Torsten_W>EldKatt: then u should add umask=0 as option
09:15<EldKatt>Torsten_W, not sure. I've installed the package (moments ago), but I'm not sure if I need to do anything else.
09:16<EldKatt>add umask=0 where?
09:16<Torsten_W>in fstab
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09:17<EldKatt>that did it, it seems. Thanks.
09:18<jm_>user is for mounting it, you need umask (or uid or gid) for access
09:18<EldKatt>ah, I see
09:19<EldKatt>and write access? Or is that not possible with NTFS?
09:20<Torsten_W>EldKatt: u need ntfs-3g for write access
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09:21<jm_>but read the limitations about it first
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09:21<EldKatt>will read up on it. Thanks.
09:22<talvon>dmesg shows usbcore : registered new interface/device.. but nothing comes up in lsusb. there is no devices file in /proc/bus/usb and when i force usb-storage to load it says used by scsi_mod
09:22<lab_rat>i installed firestarter by synaptic, but i can't find it anywhere in menu :(
09:23<jm_>talvon: you need CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS and mount /proc/bus/usb to have that
09:23<jm_>talvon: and load relevant ohci/uhci/ehci modules too
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09:24<chandu>Is there any possibility that setting BIOS SATA Emulation to "ide", and getting disk detected as "/dev/sda"
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09:25<Axel-Akad>bash shell-script: what was again the variable/operator that stands for ALL ADDIDIONAL OPTIONS TO THE SCRIPT ? $? or $* - since $1 is only the 1st parameter, right?
09:25<chandu>Bcz Now, the disk is detecting as "ide" i.e /dev/hda and the disk readign /downloading is very slow
09:25<talvon>mtab already has it mounted up. ehci_hcd/ohci_hcd are loaded apon boot but they arent used anywere
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09:25<jm_>Axel-Akad: $2-; or use shift and $* etc.
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09:26<chandu>I want to improve the performance , so I want the disk to get detected as /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda ...with BIOS SATA_EMULATION set to "ide" itself
09:26<jm_>chandu: it can be sda with new IDE drivers utilising libata too
09:26<Axel-Akad>jm_ : just ANY option given to the script is $* ?
09:26<chandu>how can I make it to use new IDE drivers with libata ..
09:26<Axel-Akad>hell cant fine when i need it...
09:26<chandu>jm_, any kernel parameter I need to pass
09:26<Axel-Akad>hell cant find when i need it...
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09:28<talvon>does 2.6.24-1-amd64 have any issues with nvforce chipset with USB
09:29<Axel-Akad>$* should be.
09:29<jm_>Axel-Akad: all options
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09:29<jm_>chandu: by including the ones you want in initramfs or initrd
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09:30<chandu>jm_, May I know which are the new ide drivers ..I am not sure about those
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09:30<chandu>jm_, are those ata_piix,ahci etc
09:31<jm_>chandu: yeah, but AHCI is for SATA
09:31<chandu>jm_, ok ..ata_piix ?
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09:34<jm_>chandu: yes that is using libata
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09:34<chandu>jm_, ok
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09:45<lontra>how can i tell what section a package (main contrib non-free) is in with dpkg or apt
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09:57<Baggy2>How do I check if a file descriptor is in error?
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10:05<zumbi>hello, how do i set a 128-bit WEP password with wireless-tools?
10:05<zumbi>do i need to use wpa supplicant?
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10:10<gsimmons>zumbi: Use the "wireless-key" statement in your /etc/network/interfaces file. See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for configuration examples.
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10:21<deepak>How to know that the kernel i had install its a duel core
10:21<deepak>i am using Acer Travelmate 6291
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10:22<padski>stock kernel from etch onwards are smp (i think)
10:23<padski>deepak, or check the kernel config
10:23<deepak>my uname -a says
10:24<deepak>padski, Linux deepak 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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10:24<padski>deepak, see "SMP"
10:25<deepak>padski, that mesns it an dual core
10:25<dpkg>[smp] (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm!, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or
10:25<Axel-Akad>that denyhosts package is so sweeeeeeet!!!
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11:17<buffoon_work>if i use gdm, does xorg run as root?
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11:18<buffoon_work>sounds a little bit strange to me that i have a process running at root called Xorg which hase huge cpu usage
11:20<deepak>buffoon_work, yes it runs but you have to enable root as gui user.
11:21<deepak>buffoon_work, or you can startx from user root,
11:21<buffoon_work>well, i don't work with gui as root
11:21<buffoon_work>thats why it seems strange to me that xorg is running as root
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11:22<amphi>X always runs as root
11:22<deepak>buffoon_work, yes it does you have to enable from configuration /setting opetion
11:22<cahoot>like this? root 2331 3.3 1.4 34976 29472 tty7 Ss+ 17:11 0:19 /usr/bin/X :0
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11:22<deepak>ha ha
11:23<amphi>buffoon_work: you'll notice that /usr/bin/X is suid root
11:23<buffoon_work>ah, ok... so i don't have to worry about that... thx
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11:43<maris>anyone could help me to install kde4?
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11:46<lontra>maris: what do you want? to run it just for testing or to replace your desktop?
11:46<maris>I have fresh sid install and I want to use KDE4 as main desktop
11:46<lontra>maris: well add experimental repo and use aptitude -t experimental install kde-minimal
11:46<[machine]>maris: are you *sure* you want to?
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11:47*lontra is running kde4
11:47*maris is coordinator of one localisation team
11:47<lontra>maris: you can't install kde4 but you can install kde-minimal ... kde4 is broken at the moment
11:47<lontra>maris: i mean kde4-minimal :D
11:48<maris>lontra: then I understand why I was not able to install it ;)
11:48<lontra>maris: yeah ... try kde4-minimal
11:49*maris has to learn how to work with Debian after many Gentoo years...
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11:49<lontra>maris: also you could install kde4 via a shroot
11:50<lontra>maris: i wrote this ->
11:50<lontra>maris: but you can't use kwin effects if it's via a schroot
11:51*maris just installed twm to use X. My goal is full KDE 4.
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11:51<debian>I want to set up a ftp server (thinkig vsftpd - since lots of people recommended it as being a good one) but i dont want each user to have their own home directory. Does anyone know of a way to have just one home directory for all ftp users?
11:52<lontra>maris: go with kde4-minimal then and visit the Debian KDE team website
11:53<maris>lontra: Keep the following packages at their current version: dolphin [Not Installed] etc.
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11:54<debian>I tried to go through config file but wasn't able to find anything
11:55<lontra>maris: you did "aptitude -t experimental install kde4-minimal"?
11:55<maris>lontra, yes, and I got list of packages that will be keept at their current version = "not installed" :P
11:56<lontra>maris: you might have to play around to get it to fully work by installing metapackages or invididual packages first ... i think the first thing i did was install dolphin and then a few others and slowly managed to get most kde4 apps
11:56<maris>lontra, OK, I will try that
11:56<lontra>maris: can you "aptitude install -t experimental dolphin"?
11:56<lontra>maris: if you can ... try kde4-minimal after that ... and if it needs something else keeping trying like that
11:57*maris will try to get libmagick9 at first
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11:58<lontra>maris: also folks in #debian-kde might be able to provide more help as some devs hang out there
11:58<robt>hi! i need help with apt-pinning
11:58<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
11:58<maris>lontra, thanks. I'm new to Debian and thus I'm not yet familiar with it's quirks...
11:59<lontra>maris: aptitude sometimes has a hard time with experimental ... as might be expected ;)
11:59<robt>I,ve tried every how to on the internet but the sources fail
12:00<robt>i'm using etch
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12:00<robt>and i want to install the intel driver from unstable
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12:06<maris>lontra, if I understood correctly, I'm a victim of bug #466681. It's fixed - probably I will be able to continue my KDE4 install tomorrow.
12:08<lontra>maris: you should ask in #debian-kde about it
12:08<lontra>maris: oh i see
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12:10<lontra>maris: if you want (note: i'm not recommeding it), you could cherry pick those packages from
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12:10*maris is doing some drinking right now - probably is better to wait till tomorrow ;)
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12:11<lontra>maris: he he ... they might even be there in a few hours so ... you'll be good and ready for them by then
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12:12<maris>lontra, it's already late here - no more work today.
12:12<lontra>maris: good luck tomorrow
12:12<maris>lontra, thanks
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12:12<lontra>maris: i've found the kde4 packages in experimental to be very stable and much better than kde4 on other distros (much less crashing, but that's just my experiences)
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12:27<bcochofel>What's the diff between /etc/adjtime and /etc/localtime ?
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12:30<Supaplex>bcochofel: apropos adjtime localtime
12:30<bcochofel>Supaplex: sorry, don't understand that
12:30<dpkg>from memory, apropos is a way to find man pages all around, and to find the program you are looking for, you can man -k <thingie> or apropos <thingie> and it will tell you the man items that match your <thingie>
12:31<bcochofel>Supaplex: I'm getting adjtime: nothing appropriate.
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12:32<Supaplex>I have manpages-dev installed for some of those
12:32<bcochofel>Supaplex: ok
12:33<Supaplex>The adjtime() function gradually adjusts the system clock (as returned by gettimeofday()). The amount of time by which the clock is to be adjusted is specified in the structure pointed to by delta. If the adjustment in delta is positive, then the system clock is speeded up by some small percentage (i.e., by adding a small amount of time to the clock value in each second) until the adjustment has been completed. If the adjustment in
12:34<Supaplex>and localtime is fixed. it's mainly for what timezone are you in (but in binary data form for programs)
12:35<bcochofel>Supaplex: thx very much. By the way, I've installed manpages-dev and I'm still getting nothing
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12:36<Supaplex>apropos depends on a daily cronjob to update its databases
12:36<bcochofel>Supaplex: I see. once again, thx
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12:40<dan-ark>Hi all, I'm having problems getting vmware to work on debian lenny
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12:41<dan-ark>can anyone direct me to a good site?
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12:42<Torsten_W>dan-ark: what's the problem?
12:42<dan-ark>the message i get is
12:43<dan-ark>... kernal compiled with gcc version 4.1.2 and you are trying to use 4.1.3
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12:44<dan-ark>during the setup script running
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12:44<Supaplex>install the older gcc, or roll a new kernel. /msg dpkg about downgrade, and kp
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12:45<dan-ark>will that break other things rolling back the kernal?
12:45<Supaplex>is this for a server or a desktop?
12:45<Supaplex>I didn't say roll back the kernel. and generally, no.
12:45<Supaplex>shame on you. lenny isn't stable.
12:46<dan-ark>it isnt a production server
12:46<Supaplex>okay. then you get to have a little fun :)
12:46<dan-ark>yeah i'll make a backup first before i do it hehe
12:46<Supaplex>downgrade was for gcc.
12:46<dan-ark>ahh ok
12:47<Supaplex>just keep the old and new kernels until you satisified with the results.
12:47<Supaplex>diskspace for /boot is cheap.
12:47<dan-ark>ahh ok, thanks :) that was quick. will work on it now
12:47<Supaplex>have fun. I'm afk.
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13:34<AbsintheSyringe>does anyone have anything, I "aim" it to certain directory and it counts number of all the lines within the that specified dir or whatever
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13:37<alaya>wc with find
13:38<AbsintheSyringe>alaya, awesome tnx :)
13:39<alaya>find..... -exec wc ... {} \; read the man pages for exact arguments to both
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13:44<alaya>find /usr/local/bin -type f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l
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13:49<dkr>wc -l dir/*
13:49<dkr>might not need it recursively for all subdirs of dir. ;)
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14:03<AbsintheSyringe>I used "find Projects/foolcontrol/ -name "*.php" | wc -l
14:03<AbsintheSyringe>" and only good 622 I think that's much more what did I do wrong?
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14:04<AbsintheSyringe>ok nvm, alaya's example is more then enough :D
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14:06<AbsintheSyringe>is there anything I need to get (software wise) in order so my full screen is shown on projector?
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14:08<hachi>does hal play sounds now?
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14:08<hachi>cause... I did an upgrade like... yesterday, and now my laptop is making little chiming noises when I plug usb devices in
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14:11<hachi>actually, now it seems to be playing sounds randomly
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14:15<lockoff>haya guys
14:15<hachi>okay, this is gonna drive me nuts, there are no events happening in my logs to correlate to these sounds playing
14:16<lockoff>something else is plying them, prbly
14:17<hachi>thank you for that wonderful insight
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14:21<alaya>hachi: lsof |egrep "(snd|dsp)"
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14:22<hachi>hah, nothing
14:22<shivraj>I am running lenny, how do you get teh updates ?
14:22<hachi>it's playing ascending and descending chimes
14:22<shivraj>there's very little updating going on
14:22<alaya>that has to give output if sound is playing
14:23<hachi>alaya: the sound plays for about .4 seconds at a time
14:23<hachi>it's silent now, it'll probably start playing when I'm not ready
14:23<alaya>hachi: too short for lsof probably
14:23<lockoff>would lowering the MTU raise the reliability of a low signal wifi?
14:23<hachi>well, lsof -n is faster
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14:24<alaya>nice tip ;-)
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14:26<alaya>maybe watch --differences lsof -n |egrep "(snd|dsp)" .... something
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14:28<lockoff>all: would lowering the MTU raise the reliability of a low signal wifi?
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14:28<dpkg>it has been said that wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah.
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14:29<alaya>watch -n .3 --differences 'sudo lsof |grep snd' maybe?
14:29<dpkg>802.11 is, like, a protocol for wireless ethernet.
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14:30<alaya>lockoff: use /msg to query dpkg privately e.g. /msg dpkg 802.11
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14:57<Kebianizao>looks like it's not possible to do hard links accross filesystems, right?
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14:57<Kebianizao>lockoff: ole!
14:58<maspix>Kebianizao: Yes, that's why they invented symlinks (ln -s)
14:58<Kebianizao>ok, now I understand why cowbuilder is failing
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14:59<Kebianizao>how could I tell cowbuilder to use /var/cache/apt when the image created is not the same partition?
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14:59<lockoff>ole! ole! smack that bull! Smack it! I'll check it! I'll do that rodeo like no chupacabra in the w-w-w
15:00<maspix>Kebianizao: Well you can try symlinks
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15:01<maspix>That is a naive approach by me though, I am not familiar with cowbuilder.
15:01<Kebianizao>maspix: yes,looks like the natural solution, but how could I tell cowbuilder to use symlinks?
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15:02<maspix>As I said, I've never used cowbuilder.. I don't even know what it does. :)
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15:03<Kebianizao>I see, I'll wait a little more, BTW you've been helpful, thanks
15:06<lockoff>I know that my apt has supercow powers
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15:07<lontra>how could i use gfxboot in debian?
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15:08<lockoff>not sure what your asking for?
15:08<lontra>how would i install and use gfxboot in debian
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15:09<dpkg>i guess hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
15:09<Kebianizao>APTCACHEHARDLINK looks good
15:09*Kebianizao tests
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15:10<lockoff>ehm... boot into CD, type guiinstall and there you go on.
15:10<lockoff>or installgui
15:10<lockoff>not sure
15:10<maspix>lontra: Check this out . I am not familiar with it though but maybe it will help.
15:10<lontra>no i mean ... ... how would i use something like that?
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15:12<maspix>lontra: I think that is actually part of the lilo part of the installation if you want a fancy boot menu. I am pretty sure that's what I had way back in the day when I used SuSe
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15:12<lontra>maspix: yeah suse uses it iirc
15:12<lontra>maspix: and mandriva
15:13<toffi22>Hello, I just installed lenny on my amd64 box and noticed, that /etc/bash_completion is gone and completion only works for filenames but not for apt, for example. Judging by the package's file list, /etc/bash_completion is included in the i386 lenny package.. Is this the way it's supposed to be?
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15:15<maspix>lontra: I think you need to edit lilo.conf ( ). I would just suggest googling about that sort of thing and you should be able to pull it off.
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15:27<linuxpoet>I have a question for a DD on packaging. My Company has a product called postgresql replicator that we are about to FOSS and package for Debian. Should we mimic the work done by Martin Pitt or should we put the resulting installation in something like /opt/cmd/mammoth
15:28<chealer>linuxpoet: ask #debian-mentors
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15:29<linuxpoet>thank you
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15:42<lockoff>"throw away your television. its time to make this clean decision, throw away your television now..."
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15:43<Kebianizao>lockoff: what the heck's happenning to you? :P
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15:46<Kebianizao>I manage a server and I need to access it (ssh) as different user on different hosts? should I create different ssh keys for each situation or could you propose any better solution?
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15:52<[Disney]Goofy|B>is here someone that can help me to compile a kernel on debian ?
15:53<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: not unless you explain how one could help you do it
15:54<[Disney]Goofy|B>i want to build a tickles kernel to a dual xeon system for a gameserver
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15:56<[Disney]Goofy|B>and im not sure for the first which kernel version is best for that ?
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15:58<JimBob>anyone knows why disabling ipv6 through 'alias net-pf-10 off' (both in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases & /etc/modutils/aliases) would not work?
15:58<JimBob>ipv6 still shows up in lsmod after a reboot
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15:59<craigevil>Jim try this> perl -pi -e 's/ipv6/off/' /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, and (#2) perl -pi -e 's/^ipv6\n//' /etc/modules, and (#3) reboot
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16:04<lontra>i am trying grub2 except that it hasn't made any entry for vista and i'm not sure how i should enter one ... any ideas?
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16:06<JimBob>nope reboot done, ipv6 still there :(
16:06<alaya>grub2 was really unstable last time i checked
16:08<lontra>alaya: from what i understand it's hoped it will be in lenny
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16:35<lockoff>I just updated a clean instalation and its now asking configuring libssl:"Which services should be started to make them use the new libraries?"
16:35<lockoff>default is exim4
16:35<lockoff>should i leave it?
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16:37<chealer>lockoff: why not?
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16:40<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: the latest the better
16:40<Kebianizao>(being stable), OC
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16:51<_daedalus>how would i go about creating a ssh tunnel for web browsing
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16:51<_daedalus>i was prompted for pass
16:51<_daedalus>the screen hung (supposed to, right?)
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16:52<_daedalus>but my browser says the proxy is refuxing connections
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17:11<[Disney]Goofy|B>cant get make menuconfig to work i got no rules to create the target
17:11<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: what did you exactly do?
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17:12<[Disney]Goofy|B>i have download a new kernel and will try to compile it
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17:12<Kebianizao>which one?
17:12<[Disney]Goofy|B>im a newbee on linux so please help me
17:12<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: do you think I'm doing any other thing?
17:13<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: newbie means, be patience
17:13<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: you'll need some dependencies, but I think installing make-kpkg would fulfill all of them ,so just install make-kpkg
17:13<[Disney]Goofy|B>i want o have a tickless kernel for my gameserver which kernel is best ?
17:13<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: that should work
17:14<[Disney]Goofy|B>ok i try
17:14<Kebianizao>install that package, configure the kernel doing make menuconfig and then build
17:14<Kebianizao>if you have doubts on one step ask again
17:14<[Disney]Goofy|B>thank for u help i appreciate that
17:15<Kebianizao>no problem
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17:16<[Disney]Goofy|B>cant find make-kpkg
17:17<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: what did you do?
17:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>apt-get install make-kpkg
17:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>not right ?
17:18<Kebianizao>yes, I was wrong, just a moment
17:18<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: it's called kernel-package
17:19<[Disney]Goofy|B>ahh ok no problem i try that one
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17:23<linkslice>[Disney]Goofy|B, what in the world is a tickless kernel?
17:23<[Disney]Goofy|B>Kebianizao so now it installed what i do next
17:23<[Disney]Goofy|B>linkslice u get more fps
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17:24<linkslice>[Disney]Goofy|B, what do you mean? how much more? got any links?
17:25<padski>!kernel package
17:25<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
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17:26<valdyn>purpose of tickless is power savings, where are you seeing performance gains?
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17:52<satyva>hello all
17:53<satyva>can you speak Russian?
17:53<colin2007>i can't sorry
17:53<satyva>i want to know english
17:53<satyva>I have a question
17:54<satyva>about debian
17:54<satyva>can you tell me anything?
17:54<colin2007>maybe, you are welcome to ask
17:55<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
17:55<Kebianizao>why are those channels on freenode?
17:56<satyva>I have debian for home PC and I want use debian for video server with multicast support
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17:57<satyva>I need dood software
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18:09<julo>I'm trying to build a very light linux kernel, so I removed most device drivers. It works very well, except that I get an error when trying to run "ifconfig lo0": SIOCSIFADDR no such device.
18:09<julo>I guess I lack a module to enable the network loopback but I can't figure out which one.
18:09<julo>Any ideas ?
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18:11<[Disney]Goofy|B>anyone nows if linux- kernel supports dual xeon ?
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18:12<Kebianizao>julo: could you post your kernel config? (use a paster, please)
18:12<see-g>julo: uhmm ... First of all: I don't have a clue. Second: There's a loopback-thingy somewhere in the Device Drivers/Network-Section of the kernel's .config
18:13<julo>Kebianizao: if you join #paste, I'll put it here.
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18:14<Kebianizao>[Disney]Goofy|B: yes, MCORE2 is the option
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18:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>thank you
18:18<maspix>On a related question, I had been looking for a 'ceiling' document on hardware for Debian-Etch in particular. I have 2 gigs of ram on this particular unit I am working with, but 'top' only shows Mem: 906792k total, I remember reading something that there was an issue if you ever had more than 1 Gig of ram but I never really found anyhting detailed.
18:20<Kebianizao>julo: that's slow as hell, could you use
18:20<Kebianizao>maspix: I have 2 detected GB of ram
18:20<bma>maspix, there shouldn't be an issue with less that 4GB.
18:20<Kebianizao>maspix: what kernel/HW are you on?
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18:23<bma>julo, shouldn't it be 'ifconfig lo', not 'ifconfig lo0'?
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18:23<Kebianizao>true, sorry
18:23<maspix>2.6.18-4-486 Kernel, AMD Athlon DualCore 1.9ghz, 2GB's RAM (2 DIMMs) 1 SATA 80Gb 2 SATA 750Gb's Raid 1'd, I don't remember the particular motherboard model but it's a biostar and all the parts were purchased in the last month.
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18:24<Kebianizao>maspix: that should work, maybe it's a bios issue or phisical problem
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18:25<lupine_85>maspix: some kernels have a 1GB/3GB userspace/kernel split
18:25<lupine_85>installing the -bigmem kernel might help you out
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18:26<maspix>lupine_85: Yeah that's what I had been reading. I can google that and just check to see if it is all set.
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18:27<maspix>Also, is there a way to check to see if you are using both cores on a newer dual-core proc?
18:27<bma>maspix, look in /proc/cpuinfo
18:28<bma>It'll have two entries if both cores are being used.
18:29<lupine_85>if uname -a says SMP, then both cores are being used
18:29<maspix>bma: And if I only have one, are there any tips for googling that you may have? :(
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18:30<bma>maspix, what does 'uname -a' say?
18:30<maspix>Linux River 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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18:31<gsimmons>maspix: You don't need a bigmem kernel, just a highmem-enabled one (the -486 image isn't one of these). bigmem is for systems with 4-64G RAM.
18:31<bma>maspix, try using the linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7, since your processor is an Athlon.
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18:32<bma>(well, any of the -k7 ones.)
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18:34<maspix>Okay I'll have to try playing with them, but is there any reason why a k7 specific kernel would work better? I mean K7 is sort of ancient, and I have an model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+
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18:34<bma>Well, it'll work better than a 486 image...
18:35<bma>Ah, there should be a -amd64 image too.
18:35<k-man>anyone know of a speed comparison of usb flash drives anywhere?
18:35<k-man>why are they all so bloody slow?
18:36<bma>k-man, usb 1.1 or 2.0?
18:36<Tarcas>Writing flash is fairly slow. Reading isn't bad.
18:37<Tarcas>...but sorry, I haven't noticed speed benchmark ratings anywhere.
18:37<maspix>k-man, if you buy them online you usually can get a good spec of the write-read speed. I've seen benchmarks here and there but nothing with an overall view like you get with graphics cards.
18:38<k-man>fair enough
18:38<k-man>just found something here
18:39<maspix>If you really want a fast USB drive I'd recommend checking out because on an Eee it's often necessary and a good idea to want to try and boot off a flash drive
18:39<chealer>maspix: k7 is more specific than generix x86
18:39<maspix>So they may have a few good picks or comparisons if you just want raw speed
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18:40<see-g>hmm ... my program can read some of my files, some not - the obvious difference I see so far is that the readable files have "-rwx-r-x-r-x" as permission while the unreadable ones have "drwx-r-x-r-x". What does the d stand for?
18:40<maspix>see-g: the d is for directory :)
18:40<see-g>darn, I hoped it would help me ;)
18:41<k-man>see-g, what error do you get?
18:42<maspix>chealer: I will just have to experiment some this weekend, I really never have had to play with the kernel much before, but then again most times I am resurrecting old wintel boxes. x)
18:42<see-g>k-man: none at all, it was just an attempt to get straight to the problem without having to go through the trouble of explaining my problem. but...:
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18:42<motalus-organixc>alright, i need some bash help
18:43<motalus-organixc>i'm trying to unrar a ton of archives in my directory with unique names with spaces
18:43<k-man>see-g, you said it can't read the files. what exactly is happening if there is no error?
18:43<motalus-organixc>and for some reason it will only extract it if i individually type unrar x <name>
18:43<motalus-organixc>if i try unrar x *.rar it fails to open the file
18:43<motalus-organixc>and unrar e doesn't work either way
18:44<motalus-organixc>just tried "for i in *.rar ; unrar x $i ; done
18:44<motalus-organixc>but that fails as well
18:45<spq>anyone using powerdns? if so, probably he knows: how can i answer specific querys with NXDOMAIN? (i have a wildcard in a higher layer :/ )
18:45<bma>motalus-organixc, should that be 'for i in *.rar ; do unrar x $i ; done' ?
18:45<k-man>motalus-organixc, maybe unrar needs the file name in quotes or some weird thing?
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18:46<k-man>motalus-organixc, how many files? xarg might be another choice to try
18:46<motalus-organixc>k-man: aprox 200
18:46<bma>Oh, if they have spaces then you'd need to quote the $i
18:46<motalus-organixc>bma: ooo, that might work
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18:47<motalus-organixc>bma: the quotes did it!, thanks
18:48<k-man>hey! i suggested quotes too
18:48<k-man>although not quite as eloquently as bma
18:48<bma>Yes, k-man pointed it out first, I was just agreeing...
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18:49<bma>Spaces always need to be quoted, even if you're not writing the spaces on the commandline (quote the glob or the variable).
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18:52<bma>Wait. Don't quote the glob, that's just silly...
18:52<k-man>bma, i didn't realise you need to quote spaces when they are passed as a variable in bash
18:53<k-man>err, like in a for loop i mean
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18:55<bma>Hmm. I'm trying and failing to find a situation where it breaks if you don't. Zsh keeps doing the right thing even when I don't want it to.
18:56<bma>Ah, but not bash.
18:56<motalus-organixc>whats the point of tcsh
18:56<motalus-organixc>my computer science department swears by it
18:56<motalus-organixc>but i don't see anything that special
18:56<motalus-organixc>its just.. different
18:56<bma>motalus-organixc, it's cheaper than cocaine?
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18:58<k-man>motalus-organixc, i seem to recall they tought us tcsh a bit at uni too - no idea why
18:58<k-man>bma, do you prefer zsh over bash?
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18:59<bma>k-man, yeah.
18:59<k-man>bma, what do you prefer about it?
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19:00<bma>To be honest, I think bash can do most of what zsh can do, but I just learnt it in zsh first.
19:00<k-man>fair enough
19:01<bma>Though, for example, you can do 'alias -g' instead of 'alias' to get an alias that'll work anywhere on the line, not just at the beginning.
19:01<bma>Helpful for 'sudo ll' and similar.
19:04<bma>As far as csh/tcsh go, they were written when the alternative was *very* poor for interactive use. They're better for interactive use than a plain shell (though bash/zsh/etc are just as good nowadays), but they're *terrible* for even basic scripting.
19:05<k-man>oh right
19:05<k-man>sudo ll?
19:06<bma>'ll' is often an alias for 'ls -l', and I tend to use that, but you can't use sudo on an alias - only a real program.
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19:14<k-man>oh, i see
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19:19<dondelelcaro>motalus-organixc: you want for i in *.rar; unrar x "$1"; done;
19:20<dkr>heh, my ll is aliased to ls-F -hlG -I .. --dereference-command-line-symlink-to-dir
19:20<dondelelcaro>ugh. always forget when I'm reading scrollback
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19:21<dkr>and lll is aliased to ls-F -al -I .. --dereference-command-line-symlink-to-dir I love the concept of repeating chars in command for more verbosity of output
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19:38<[Disney]Goofy|B>to get yaird which package must i install ?
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19:39<bma>Um, yaird?
19:39<[Disney]Goofy|B>hmm tried that not work
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19:41<[Disney]Goofy|B>do i not use yaird when i shall install a new comiled kernel ?
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19:43<sime>hi guys!
19:44<sime> i have a problem with alsa
19:44<sime>alsaconf did found a card
19:44<sime>but I got no pcm in /dev/asound/card0/
19:44<sime> aplay -l gives me nothing
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19:45<sime>I tried reconfiguring alsa-base and utils..
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19:46<zeuz>Hi, Im using SID now, and after I compiled my new kernel, Konqueror, Amarok and other apps won't start... what could be going wrong?
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19:51<ZeuZ>Hi, Im using SID now, and after I compiled my new kernel, Konqueror, Amarok and other apps won't start... what could be going wrong? Also, d3lphin rehuses to start... it just happens with some programs, that were updated from Lenny via APT in the apt-get dist-upgrade
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19:52<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>Hello @ all
19:52<[Disney]Goofy|B>can someone help to install the new kernel i have compiled im confused
19:52<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>i need Help with Debian 40r3 i386
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19:55<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>Hello dwatson
19:55<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>in need help with the Internet connection from Debian pppoeconf will not Work
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19:57<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: did you build it with make-kpkg?
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19:59<[Disney]Goofy|B><amphi> : yes i did
20:00<[Disney]Goofy|B>but i need help to install it
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20:00<[Disney]Goofy|B>found many different guides
20:00<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: dpkg -i <package_name>
20:00<[Disney]Goofy|B>is it all ?
20:00<azeem>[Disney]Goofy|B: did you try it?
20:01<[Disney]Goofy|B>do i need to run update-grub command
20:01<azeem>[Disney]Goofy|B: did you try it?
20:01<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: nope
20:01<[Disney]Goofy|B>the compiling is not finished yet
20:01<[Disney]Goofy|B>so i shall try that when its ready
20:02<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: make-kpkg makes a nice little package you install with dpkg, that adds an entry to grub and other useful things
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20:02<chealer>!tell [GSF]_Combi_Christ about does not work
20:03<azeem>chealer: huh?
20:04<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>chealer wat did you mean
20:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:04<azeem>[GSF]_Combi_Christ: try to describe your problem properly if you want/need help
20:04<chealer>[GSF]_Combi_Christ: did you see the factoid dpkg sent you?
20:04<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>yes i see it
20:05<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: you don't need to use yaird in general, no
20:06<[Disney]Goofy|B>ok ty
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20:07<chealer>ZeuZ: you probably shouldn't use sid. I recommend you reinstall testing or stable
20:07<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>I have a problem with pppoeconf I`m Running debian version 40r3 or so. when I try to do pppoeconf i get th Following output dis command doesent exist or so my english is not good
20:07<chealer>[GSF]_Combi_Christ: install the pppoeconf package.
20:08<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>who without Inernet connection
20:08<chealer>[GSF]_Combi_Christ: how did you install Debian?
20:08<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>from DVD
20:08<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: you should do make-kpkg --initrd if your kernel config requires it
20:08<chealer>[GSF]_Combi_Christ: pppoeconf is on the DVD. APT will simply ask you to enter the DVD.
20:09<[Disney]Goofy|B><amphi> and how do i know that ?
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20:10<[Disney]Goofy|B><amphi>im really new on linux
20:10<ZeuZ>chelear: I have the previos kernel where it is working, but I cannot set the gcc to gcc-4.1 even if I use export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1
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20:10<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>ok i try but what is the command to install it
20:10<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: if you used the debian kernel config, you need it
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20:11<chealer>ZeuZ: with the previous kernel konqueror, amarok and others start?
20:11<[Disney]Goofy|B><amphi> i dont really understand how u mean i download linux- and have done some changes whth make menuconfig
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20:12<ZeuZ>chealer: Yes, they do start, and it-s the SID kernel, the 2.6.24-1
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20:12<ZeuZ>and here Konqueror starts if no directory like /home or whatever local is sent
20:13<chealer>ZeuZ: are you sure? did you reboot to 2.6.22 after you saw that 2.6.24 had problems?
20:13<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>chealer what is the Command to Install pppoeconf i really new on linux
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20:14<chealer>[GSF]_Combi_Christ: it depends on the package manager you want to use. for example, with Synaptic Package Manager, you search the package and double-click on it.
20:14<ZeuZ>chealer: before compiling my, it was properly working... I just wanted to get rid of the VM vuln as I run multiple host throug it...
20:14<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>ok thanks i try it
20:14<[GSF]_Combi_Christ>cu later
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20:14<chealer>ZeuZ: lenny's current Linux is not affected by that vulnerability
20:15<ZeuZ>chealer: also, I can boot my older kernel, though I cannot load the nVidia graphic module, since I can't set the gcc compilers version for the instaler of the privative driver to compile the LKM
20:15<chealer>ZeuZ: but that doesn't answer my should reboot to 2.6.22 to check if the applications which have problems in 2.6.24 really still work in 2.6.22.
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20:16<chealer>ZeuZ: ah, sorry
20:16<ZeuZ>Telling ya, I cannot log into KDE (kdm won't start If the private driver is not compiled with the same GCC version of the kernel)
20:16<chealer>ZeuZ: then use a free X driver such as nv or vesa temporarily
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20:17<ZeuZ>I've tried: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 but it just refuses to use it xD and it is installed
20:17<chealer>ZeuZ: BTW, use nickname tab-completion to avoid making typos in people's nicknames.
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20:17<ZeuZ>chealer: Oh, thanks... didn-t knew that
20:17<Supaplex>!typolart nicks starting with _
20:17<Supaplex>dpkg: ping
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20:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:20<ZeuZ>chealer: Also, ksnapshoot takes the snapshot, but I can't save it because it get's frozen...
20:20<ZeuZ>I'm pretty damn sure it's KDE messing...
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20:22<noble->Using debian etc, trying to install wine and getting the error: | Can anyone help me with this?
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20:23<[Disney]Goofy|B>have just installed my new kernel and get cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block (0,0) any idea ?
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20:23<chealer>ZeuZ: indeed...which points to a reinstall rather than investigating the kernel
20:24<ZeuZ>chealer: I know, I know, but in order to test it, I need someone to tell me how can I set to use the gcc-4.1 instead of the gcc-4.3 ?
20:24<chealer>noble-: unofficial packages are not supported. ask whoever distributes that.
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20:24<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: you'Re missing some drivers or an initrd
20:25<chealer>ZeuZ: no, you juste need to temporarily use a free X driver such as nv or vesa.
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20:25<ZeuZ>chealer: it won't do, since I moved from the free ones because I were having deep troubles like stuck threads
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20:26<ZeuZ>if you could tell me that, I would reboot to the other kernel, compilate the module, load the KDE interface, and uninstall the kernel I compiled...
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20:26<chealer>ZeuZ: huh. *both* nv and vesa?
20:27<ZeuZ>with Vesa I got something like a BLOD
20:27<ZeuZ>and with the nv drivers, after a resume or the screensaver showed up, the system rendered unstable and most of the times got frozen
20:27<chealer>ZeuZ: hard to believe. anyway, just uninstall whatever gcc version you don't want to be used for compiling.
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20:28<ZeuZ>I know that's not the only way to do it, since in my laptop I could set what version to use using export, but I dunno why I cannot do it here...
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20:28<chealer>ZeuZ: it's possible that there's trouble with resume (hibernate/sleep), but just the screensaver really shouldn't do that.
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20:29<ZeuZ>chealer: I know, but after testing the privative drivers, the problems stopped to appear... my card is nvidia geforce 7300gt
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20:38<[Disney]Goofy|B><chealer> my old kernel is 2.6.18 and i have download 2.6.24 to compile.Can i use the settings from the old one on any way...?
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20:38<ZeuZ>Goofy: Yes, you can...
20:39<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: your old kernel is a custom kernel?
20:39<[Disney]Goofy|B><ZeuZ> please help me
20:39<[Disney]Goofy|B>no its original
20:39<ZeuZ>just copy the /boot/config-`uname -r` to /usr/src/linux/.config
20:39<[Disney]Goofy|B>before i compile ?
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20:40<amphi>[Disney]Goofy|B: yes; and do 'make oldconfig' before building
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20:41<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: then I see no reason to use the old settings. just start with the new ones.
20:41<ZeuZ>amphi: is that actually needed? whenever I've made my compilation, making make menuconfig allready did the work of loading the old values
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20:41<amphi>ZeuZ: he said nothing about make menuconfig ;)
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20:42<[Disney]Goofy|B>but on the last try i get cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block (0,0)
20:42<ZeuZ>amphi: lol :)
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20:42<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: you downloaded the Linux source from unstable, right?
20:42<[Disney]Goofy|B>stable i think linux-
20:43<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: unstable is a Debian suite, also known as sid. which Debian suite do you use?
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20:43<ZeuZ>Goofy: you downloaded the kernel sources from, right?
20:44<[Disney]Goofy|B>i ghave downloaded v4
20:44<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: OK. if you don't mind, why do you want Linux 2.6.24?
20:44<[Disney]Goofy|B>i see that i forgot to use --initrd when i run the make-kpkg can it be the reason
20:44<Dan>How do I get to the official Ubuntu channel? (<-- ubern00b)
20:44<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: yes
20:44<ZeuZ>YEs, it can be that xD
20:44<chealer>!tell Dan about ubuntu
20:44<[Disney]Goofy|B>i try again then :-)
20:45<[Disney]Goofy|B><chealer> im not really sure which version i shall use maybee u can guide me i shall run it as game server
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20:46<[Disney]Goofy|B>counter strike source
20:46<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: yeah...why would a game server prefer 2.6.24 to the default version?
20:47<[Disney]Goofy|B>because people here told me to take the latest
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20:47<ZeuZ>chealer: is it true that compiling the kernel with an optimization level prior to O3 consumes tons of time for no improvement?
20:47<[Disney]Goofy|B>is 2.6.24 not good ?
20:47<amphi> seems to limp along ok here
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20:48<[Disney]Goofy|B>dont understan limp from sweden :-)
20:48<amphi>it's been up for over three days ;)
20:48<ZeuZ>lol, argentinian here ;)
20:48<amphi>I've seen no problems with it
20:48<miksuh>[Disney]Goofy|B: if your hardware is recognized and everyuthin g woks just fine then tehre is no point of installing newer kernel than what is in the repository
20:49<miksuh>[Disney]Goofy|B: do you really need 2.6.24?
20:49<chealer>ZeuZ: I know very little about compiling, but considering Debian build daemons use O2, I suppose O3 is abusive for personal use.
20:49<hazard2>ZeuZ, yes, (about the O3 thing) and it may not generate code that actually really does what its supposed to any more (for complex things anyway, for simple stuff it dosen't really matter)
20:49<miksuh>few typos :)
20:49<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: who told you that (so I can read the log)?
20:50<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: I didn't mean that 2.6.24 is not good, but 2.6.18 not good?
20:50<[Disney]Goofy|B>dont remember someone told me to download the latest and i do :-)
20:50<ZeuZ>what level is recommended for apt-build then?
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20:51<[Disney]Goofy|B>ok then i skip upgrade kernel how do i change in the running one ?
20:52<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: well, I scanned the log quickly, and I see no one telling you to use the latest version, just you writing your downloaded a new version.
20:53<chealer>[Disney]Goofy|B: change options in the Linux image you use? you need to compile a new one.
20:53<chealer>!tell [Disney]Goofy|B about kp
20:53<[Disney]Goofy|B>ok maybee it was not in this channel then i talked whith someone tahtt tell be to do it sry
20:53<ZeuZ>chealer: Found the solution, instead of exporting the value, only changing the simbolic link to it...
20:53<chealer>ZeuZ: how about the default level...
20:54<ZeuZ>default is normal = o2
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20:55<[Disney]Goofy|B>how do i remove the installed kernel-image that dont work from start menu ?
20:56<ZeuZ>Goofy: reboot to another kernel
20:56<ZeuZ>and then use apt-get remove
20:56<ZeuZ>followed by the linux-image-2.6.XX.X
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20:57<Wi_Fi>any webcam gurus here
20:58<chealer>!tell Wi_Fi about guru
20:59<Wi_Fi>i have spca drivers and im gettin Sensor currently not support light frequency banding filters
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21:00<Wi_Fi>sorry chealer
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21:02<alaya>isn't gspca the next-gen after spca?
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21:06<swami>someone on?
21:06<Supaplex>on what?
21:06<swami>on chat:)
21:06<Supaplex>you are
21:06<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
21:08<swami>do u know if iceape can resume tabs on re-opening?
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21:08<Supaplex>sounds like a session plugin/add-on
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21:31<love>hows it going, I deboostrapped a sid system, edited my fstab to have proc and all that, I tried to apt-get install alsa, and then I ran alsa conf, which works, but then when I try alsamixer, it says no device found
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21:34<JimBob>What do I have to do, if I want my wlan usb interface to automatically come up when I plug in the usb antenna (In case the connection goes down, I simply want to un- & replug the stick).
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21:45<twb>How do I disable screen blanking on the tty?
21:45<alaya>where is mailand?
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21:55<alaya>oh milan
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21:57<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:03<dondelelcaro>twb: man setterm;
22:04<twb>dondelelcaro: can I arrange to run this from e.g. inittab?
22:05<dondelelcaro>twb: sure, but generally there's no sane reason to do so
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22:05<dondelelcaro>twb: console blanking is good, and things that always want to be displayed should turn it off first
22:05<twb>Well, these are guests within vmware
22:06<twb>I don't want to have to grab the keyboard to "wake it up" enough to see that it's at the login prompt, basically.
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22:06<dondelelcaro>twb: well, in that case, I'd stick the output of 'setterm -blank' into the issue file
22:08<twb>Do you mean /etc/issue? I don't understand how to run command therein.
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22:10<dondelelcaro>twb: you don't run the command, you just put the output there
22:10<twb>Ah, right. I wasn't sure that setterm just emitted escape sequences.
22:10<twb>(I thought maybe it poked kernel guts directly).
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22:16<twb>dondelelcaro: OK, -blank uses escape sequences, but -powersave off does something else; I'll enable the former in /etc/issue and see if that stops it blanking.
22:19<dondelelcaro>twb: yeah, the powersave stuff talks directly to the monitor; I've never really looked carefully at it
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22:29<sheep34>hi i am writing a program in c on a linux machine, and i facing an os related problem.
22:29<sheep34>how do i read user input from the command line before they press return
22:29<talvon>I cant seem to locate usbcore module. is there an easy way to see if it was compiled into the kernel.
22:29<twb>sheep34: do you have a copy of K&R?
22:29<twb>sheep34: is this a homework question?
22:31<talvon>and none of my usb devices are loading up =/
22:32<sheep34>no have already have a degree in cs but i am writing a program a touch typing program, as linux seems to be missing a good one
22:33<sheep34>where can i get a copy of K&R
22:33<twb>Your local technical bookstore.
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22:33<twb>Or you could probably steal one via interwebs somehow.
22:38<twb>sheep34: see ##c on Freenode.
22:38<twb>dondelelcaro: just -blank 0 in /etc/issue seems to work
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22:39<sheep34>thanks twb
22:39<tete>any 1 that can help me with a printer problem
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22:40<tete>well actually how can i install a printer on debian what are the commands or where can i find the driver for printer
22:41<twb>tete: first of all, you need to install cupsys
22:41<RIVE>tete, are you using Gnome?
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22:42<pwncore>hey guys
22:42<tete>no im using kde
22:43<pwncore>psad is flooding my inbox with warnings of portscans from internal IPs like,, etc.
22:43<pwncore>(1) should I be worried? (2) if not, how do I get psad to stop?
22:43<tete>and i alredy instaled the cupsys
22:44<pwncore>specifically, 113 is scanning udp 1900 and 1 is scanning udp 8008 (sometimes with as its destination!?)
22:45<RIVE>tete, i don't use KDE can't tell you how to configure the printer from it.
22:46<twb>tete: now browse to
22:47<tete>ok see guys
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22:49<pwncore>scans from scans from
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22:55<gsimmons>twb: If 'console-tools' is installed, you can alternatively edit /etc/console-tools/config ('BLANK_TIME') to call setterm as part of the init script.
22:55<twb>gsimmons: thanks!
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22:57<gef>i'm ok, how're you?
22:57<xpwncore>i'm in serious need of psad help
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23:11<Marupa>Is there any way to, on a non-working system, copy over all data from one /var/lib/mysql to another, but make sure it stays intact, and working? I tried to, and some of my databases are showing 'database doesn't exist'.
23:11<love>so I've tried to do what the debian wiki says a million times, but I don't know how to get my soundcard working, I deboostrapped my system, my working lenny system uses snd-cs46xx, but when I try to modprobe that it says module not found
23:11<love>anyone have any advice?
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23:12<Marupa>Also, entirely unrelated question. What's the best method to move from etch to testing, and, are there any pitfalls in moving from etch to testing?
23:14<love>i don't know about pitfalls at the momment but just update /etc/apt/sources.list
23:14<love>change etch to testing
23:14<love>then run apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade
23:15<xpwncore>love, if you happen to be on a laptop, you might find more useful information for your machine from an article by someone who successfully installed debian on the same kind of laptop
23:15<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
23:15<xpwncore>that's how i got my sound to work...since i only use a laptop that's all i know
23:15<xpwncore>Marupa, there are some pitfalls
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23:16<twb>love: what does uname -r report?
23:16<xpwncore>one, which may or may not be important depending on your level of confidence with your system, is that some #debian folks will be much less willing to help you if you run lenny
23:16<twb>love: are you using a custom kernel?
23:16<xpwncore>assuming that you're taking matters into your own hands if you upgrade to testing
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23:16<love>Linux dennis 2.6.23-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 21 13:57:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
23:16<love>no, I am using the standard on from sid
23:16<Marupa>xpwncore, any other pitfalls?
23:16<xpwncore>another is that packages are more likely to break dependencies and such than in either stable or unstable
23:17<xpwncore>or, no, i got that mixed up
23:17<xpwncore>you're more likely to be stuck with buggy, broken software for longer
23:17<xpwncore>...that's why i said more than in either stable or unstable
23:17<Xenguy>if you are running nvidia, stick with stable, or be creative I say
23:18<xpwncore>which, in english, means that stable and unstable collectively constitute a group of distributions with less breakage than testing
23:18<Marupa>Xenguy, headless.
23:18<Xenguy>Marupa: huh
23:18<xpwncore>Xenguy, no monitor
23:18<Marupa>xpwncore, mostly I just want something a little more up to date than etch.
23:18<xpwncore>well here's what i mean, Marupa
23:18<Xenguy>OK, so no nvidia
23:18<xpwncore>stable only gets packages once they've been thoroughly bug-tested
23:18<Xenguy>Marupa: etch isn't *that* outdated yet
23:18<xpwncore>sid gets updates pretty much immediately
23:19<love>i see on google Bug#464197: snd-cs46xx.ko module seems to be missing from linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
23:19<xpwncore>so if, say, foobar-2.6.0 in stable is bug-free, and foobar-2.6.1 comes out and moves into testing,
23:19<xpwncore>then you install foobar-2.6.1 only for a bunch of new fatal bugs to crop up, and your program is completely unusable
23:19<Marupa>xpwncore, any middle of the road?
23:20<xpwncore>foobar-2.6.2 comes out with fixes for those bugs, but it stays in sid for a while while they search for other bugs
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23:20<xpwncore>the end result is that you could *theoretically* end up with a broken program for a month or two
23:20<xpwncore>Marupa, backports
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23:20<xpwncore>if you really want a newer version of a few particular programs
23:20<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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23:21<Marupa>xpwncore, just a few certain programs that I need updated. like finch or centerim, and such.
23:21<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if there was a command that would give me the size of a file in human redable format
23:21<Marupa>which, finch doesn't exist in etch.
23:21<chump_>i think du is what i want but i'm not sure
23:21<Xenguy>chump_: du -h .
23:21<talvon>anyone know of any issues with nforce 590 sli chipset + debian amd64 with handling usb devices?
23:21<chump_>thanks xenguy
23:22<xpwncore>Marupa, it's generally not worth upgrading to lenny just for a couple of packages
23:22<Xenguy>chump_: yw (-h == human-readable)
23:22<xpwncore>check out the links dpkg just spat out
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23:22<xpwncore>for programs that etch just doesn't have at all, you can usually download the .deb and install it yourself (or download the source and compile it yourself--it isn't that hard) and it won't break anything
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23:23<xpwncore>at worst you might need to upgrade a couple of things it depends on
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23:24<Marupa>xpwncore, mkay. THanks.
23:24<talvon>does acpi=off affect usb?
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23:27<GhostlyDeath>talvon: I think
23:28<chump_>is there a way i can tell if a file is a folder or not with the command line?
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23:28<sortadi>hey there
23:28<chump_>i'm writing a script where its important if its a folder
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23:28<GhostlyDeath>chump_: Get the permissions for it
23:28<sortadi>has anybody experienced problems opening presentation files in .odp format with OO.o 2.3 in debian testing?
23:28<sortadi>Whenever I try to open a file with this extension it crashes
23:29<chump_>i have permissions to the folder
23:29<twb>sortadi: what are you opening it with?
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23:29<sortadi>twb, ?
23:29<sortadi>twb, with OO.o 2.3
23:29<twb>I don't use that, sorry.
23:30<GhostlyDeath>chump_: "ls -l /path", the permissions on the left. if it starts with a d, it's a dir
23:30<chump_>hmm thank you
23:30<GhostlyDeath>chump_: drwxr-xr-x the D = Directory and lrwxrwxrwx the L = SymLink
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23:32<twb>chump_: don't use ls programmatically, though.
23:32<twb>chump_: test -d foo; test -f foo.
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23:34<xpwncore>hooray, network printer works! and it was easy
23:34<xpwncore>easier than i remember it being to set up printers in linux
23:35<xpwncore>now, since i'm printing with CUPS, will printing from any application find the printer automagically? and how can i print files from the console?
23:35<Xenguy>xpwncore: lpr if you have the bsd printing stuff installed?
23:36<xpwncore>i'm using CUPS, like i said
23:37<xpwncore>does that work with that?
23:37<chump_>hmmm i don't think ls -l is what i want
23:37<Xenguy>xpwncore: AFAIK yes, but please test :-)
23:38<xpwncore>how, exactly?
23:38<xpwncore>just > something over to /dev/lpr or some such?
23:38<twb>xpwncore: no.
23:38<twb>lpr foo.pdf or ssh bar lpr <foo.pdf
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23:39<xpwncore>ok lemme give it a shot
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23:40<twb>Whether e.g. PDFs actually work depends on your hardware and what translators CUPS knows about, IIUC.
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23:43<talvon>I have frustrating usb problem. I looked at so many guides. lspci shows a usb controller. yet there is no usbcore module or anything by that name on my system. lsusb is blank. with no devices file in the proc/bus/usb folder. dmesg does usbcore registering interface driver usbfs/hub/usb.. yet i get no activity from my usb ports at all. im running acpi off because it locks the sytem on bootup which is running 2.6.24-1-amd64
23:43<xpwncore>lpr: Error - No default destination available.
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23:45<love>apparently the module snd-cs46xx was removed cause the firmware is non-free, is the only way to get it to work to install my own kernel?
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23:49<xpwncore>Xenguy, twb, anyone?
23:49<xpwncore>and btw that was with a plain text file
23:49<twb>xpwncore: you need to configure /etc/cups/client.conf
23:49<twb>Something like `printserver localhost', IIR
23:50<xpwncore>there is no such file
23:50<xpwncore>do i create one?
23:50<xpwncore>or is it possible it's something else
23:50<twb>I don't remember
23:50<Xenguy>xpwncore: twb? (twm? :-)
23:50<twb>Xenguy: no.
23:50*Xenguy is now officially confused...
23:51*twb is not twm
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23:52<xpwncore>Xenguy, you are a person i was asking for help, twb is another person i was asking for help, and "anyone" presumably includes other people who could help me figure out lpr
23:52<Xenguy>xpwncore: OK, on the same page now :-)
23:53<xpwncore>brb, going back into the console...i'm still logged in as pwncore so i'll get any messages
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23:53<pwncore>ok, back
23:54<Xenguy>pwncore: so I think you need to install the package that contains 'lpr' at miniumu, yes ?
23:54<pwncore>i have lpr
23:55<pwncore>20:43 < xpwncore> lpr: Error - No default destination available.
23:55<Xenguy>pwncore: but doesn't work
23:55<pwncore>well, sure, but that may or may not be lpr's fault
23:55<pwncore>i have my printer configured only in cups afaik
23:55<Xenguy>pwncore: so do I, but I find that lpr will work also from CLI :-/
23:56<Xenguy>pwncore: so not sure what the missing link is
23:56<pwncore>you didn't have to do anything to get cups and lpr to play nice?
23:57<Xenguy>pwncore: actually I take that back, it doesn't work
23:57<Xenguy>pwncore: I just tested
23:57<Xenguy>which sucks cos I think it *used to* work :-/
23:57<pwncore>what's that command that lets you read gzipped text files?
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23:58<Xenguy>pwncore: zcat
23:58<pwncore>Xenguy: awesome, now we have two people who can't print :O
23:58<Xenguy>pwncore: or zless
23:58<pwncore>both work, apparently
23:58<Xenguy>pwncore: heh, yeah
23:58<pwncore>i'm so lucky lexmark is as awesome as it is about linux support
23:59<Xenguy>pwncore: printing in linux is fubar, but it has gotten a lot better in recent times
23:59<Xenguy>pwncore: thanks to CUPS mostly
23:59<pwncore>i've noticed
23:59<pwncore>last time i used linux was pre-CUPS and it was a nightmare
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23:59<Xenguy>pwncore: yep
23:59<alaya>wow. kde4 is really amazing!
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