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---Logopened Fri Feb 22 00:00:11 2008
---Daychanged Fri Feb 22 2008
00:00*Xenguy fetches one more beverage before bed...
00:00<graytron>alaya: how?
00:00<pwncore>oh wow so Mac OS X uses CUPS too
00:00<alaya>graytron: i've only used it a couple mintues, but wow, it is like totally new and different
00:00<pwncore>it's definitely an improvement over previous versions, but it's still kde
00:01<pwncore>all i need is waimea, thankyouverymuch
00:01<alaya>i put hardy alpha 2 on one box today
00:01<alaya>its totally different than previous versions - like a completely new thing
00:02<alaya>and very slick. very
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00:03<pwncore>lol...CUPS has automatically detected a canon printer and an epson printer...i don't have anything connected to parallel...
00:03<alaya>pwncore: could be through avahi network. on a wlan?
00:04<noble->alaya, thanks for the info the other night, she is loving it so far. Can't put down the linux games yet :)
00:04<pwncore>i don't even have a canon or epson printer, alaya
00:04<pwncore>the only printer i have access to is a lexmark i've already configured to use over the network in cups
00:04<alaya>pwncore: network. someone else.
00:04<pwncore>there isn't even anything on the network that's turned on except the printer
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00:05<alaya>avahi magic
00:05<pwncore>maybe it thinks the router and modem are printers
00:06<pwncore>does anyone have a recommendation for a good command-line mud client, btw
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00:13<alaya>anyone know about contract vs. w-2 rates?
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00:47<talvon>anyone mind helping me out with initalizing usb
00:47<JustSoul>Why in debian installer (cd netinstall ), when use "fb=false" boot option, language selection menu is smallest,than w/o "fb=false"?
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00:48<JustSoul>talvon: what problem is
00:49<talvon>lspci shows the controller. dmesg registers the usbfs/usb/hub but there is nothing in proc/usb/ and lsusb is blank
00:50<talvon>lsmod shows nothing concerning anything usbish and there is no usbcore module. which leads me to believe it was compiled in. why i have no idea
00:51<JustSoul>and why in "anonftpsync" script ( with "--exclude *.tar.gz" download them?
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00:52<JustSoul>talvon: There is smth in /sys/bus/usb?
00:54<JustSoul>talvon: something
00:54<talvon>ohh ya devices/drivers/drivers_autoprobe drivers_probe uevent
00:55<talvon>odd though i cant view them even as root
00:56<JustSoul>talvon: what kernel are You using and wait for somebody clever then I =(
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00:56<talvon>2.6.24-1-amd64. i tried on etch/lenny and now sid. hoping unstable would have some support for it.
00:57<chump_>hey guys how would i test a file to see if its a directory or not?
00:57<chump_>i heard test but i'm not sure if its what i want
00:57<JustSoul>[ -d /dir ]
00:57<JustSoul>chump_: ^^^
00:58<chump_>so like test -d /home/chump/hello
00:59<JustSoul>ou, using "test"... no
00:59<mlots>I had an account on the old, now I've forgoten my password and sends me on that starts with {SHA}. The given password doesn't work... I'm not sure where else to ask for help either.
00:59<chealer>talvon: you have a /proc/usb/ directory?
01:00<talvon>negative just proc/bus/usb
01:00<chealer>mlots: what do you mean by "that"?
01:00<chump_>ok -d /dir
01:00<chump_>thanks just sould
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01:01<mlots>chealer: s/on that/one that/ my keyboard's skipping some keystrokes.
01:03<mlots>It looks like a misconfiguration. I seem to be getting my password hash instead of a pw, and can't logon with it.
01:03<chealer>mlots: I don't think kwiki accounts work on moin anyway
01:04<chealer>talvon: so /proc/bus/usb/ is empty?
01:04<mlots>chealer: well my account is reserved... Who can fix it?
01:05<talvon>chealer, yes
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01:06<chealer>mlots: FWIW, what's your username?
01:06<mlots>chealer: DrewDaniels
01:07<chealer>talvon: and it's empty either on 2.6.18,22 or 24?
01:07<mlots>chealer: Does it send you your password, or a hash?
01:07<chealer>mlots: good question...I can try
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01:08<talvon>chealer, its been empty on all of them
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01:09<mlots>talvon: I'm late to your issue. Does lsusb or dmesg tell you anything useful?
01:09<talvon>lsusb returns nothing.. dmesg says usbcore registers usbfs/usb/hub but nothing shows
01:09<talvon>lsmod doesnt show any usb modules either
01:10<chealer>talvon: what happens if you try loading usbcore?
01:10<talvon>i cant find it =/
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01:11<mlots>talvon: I dunno, hotplug or it's equivlent working? Can you load moduls from /lib/2..
01:11<talvon>FATAL: Module usbcore not found.
01:11<JustSoul>talvon: modprobe usbcore?
01:12<mlots>talvon: ls usbcore.ko show it? Syntax error?
01:13<talvon>modprobe usbcore gives me that fatal. were is usbcore.ko?
01:13<chealer>mlots: it's also bogus. the only person I know who could fix it is jvw.
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01:13<chealer>talvon: you're running a stock kernel, right?
01:14<talvon>aye chealer
01:14<mlots>jvw: Can you look into this please?
01:14<mlots>talvon: /lib/modules/2.6... I think.
01:15<JustSoul>talvon: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/usbcore/usbcore.ko
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01:16<talvon>there is no usbcore folder. i get up to kernel/drivers/usb that is it
01:16<mlots>talvon: maybe check into hotplug or it's equivelent (depending on what version you're running), and see if it's not running, or configured proprly. I think they're in charge of loading other modules sometimes...
01:17<talvon>there is no hotplug module loaded either
01:18<JustSoul>talvon: ./usb/core/usbcore.ko
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01:19<JustSoul>And i'm also have usb poblems..
01:19<JustSoul>jm_: morning
01:19<talvon>there is no core directory
01:19<mlots>talvon: hotplug is a userspace daemon. It start/stops with /etc/init.d/hotplug or possibly with the server/services command.
01:20<mlots>talvon: Which kernel package?
01:21<JustSoul>(08:56:14) talvon: 2.6.24-1-amd64.
01:21<JustSoul>mlots: ^^^^
01:21<talvon>ohh ya sorry
01:22<JustSoul>ooups.. bye..
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01:22<chealer>talvon: it's OK, it's compiled in. did USB already work?
01:22<talvon>works in windows. never worked in linux. and i tried etch/lenny now sid
01:23<chealer>talvon: what's your mobo?
01:23<talvon>Asus Crosshair
01:23<mlots>I'm distirbed that it doesn't even register a device id (lsusb).
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01:24<chealer>talvon: which model?
01:24<mlots>I did read that Linux handles some devices diferently if they're drawwing too much power and are connectd to an unpowered hub.
01:24<love>does anyone know how I can get the mouse to work under a chrooted x session?
01:24<talvon>its not threw a hub. connected directly to the back of the comp
01:25<mlots>talvon: Other usb devices show up with lsusb?
01:25<talvon>sec chealer i didnt know they had multiple models of the crosshair
01:25<talvon>nothing does
01:26<mlots>talvon: Ahh, I see. USB controler might be worth looking into. It might appear in a list by doing an lspci.
01:26<talvon>00:0a.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP55 USB Controller (rev a1)
01:26<talvon>00:0a.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP55 USB Controller (rev a2)
01:27<chealer>talvon: that's OK
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01:28<twb>love: which parts of the process hierarchy are chrooted?
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01:29<mlots>talvon: Hmm, FSF recomends a motherboard with that controler at:
01:29<chealer>talvon: when did you install the system?
01:30<talvon>well sid was about 2am this morning. lenny was last week sometime and etch was a few weeks ago
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01:30<mlots>'r seems to.
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01:31<love>twb: I don't know
01:31<chealer>talvon: please provide your dmesg
01:32<talvon>that link is using the nforce 570 sli chipset. mine is a nforce 590.
01:32<twb>love: pastebin the output of `ps auxf'
01:32<talvon>usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
01:32<talvon>usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
01:32<talvon>usbcore: registered new device driver usb
01:32<talvon>that is with dmesg | grep usb
01:32<chealer>talvon: all of it
01:32<talvon>in here?
01:33<chealer>!tell talvon about paste
01:33<mlots>talvon: Does lspci with enough v's in -v give the PCI ID?
01:33<mlots>'r the PCI ID of the USB controler.
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01:36<talvon>locks the system. everything i read says this setup cant run it
01:37<talvon>mlots, uknown device 8223. is that what your looking for?
01:37<twb>love: sorry, I can't tell with that layout because the daemons are forking
01:38<twb>love: have you looked at Xorg.0.log in the chroot?
01:39<love>I'm trying to figure out right now, there is a mess of symbolic links
01:39<mlots>talvon: Well if it's a usb controler issue, I'd look for the PCI-ID in the kernel source on an "lxr" (linux cross reference) site, and try to learn more about it.
01:39<love>the xorg.conf in the chroot looks fine
01:39<chealer>talvon: PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin B of device 0000:00:0a.1. Probably buggy MP table.
01:39<chealer>ehci_hcd 0000:00:0a.1: Found HC with no IRQ. Check BIOS/PCI 0000:00:0a.1 setup!
01:39<love>that last sentence was not english.
01:40<talvon>its all enabled in bios
01:40<talvon>it says that for both pin a and b.
01:40<jm_>simply bind mount /dev in chroot and it shall work, or use gpm -R
01:41<twb>jm_: that was gonna be my next guess!
01:41<chealer>talvon: yeah, all your USB controllers won't work before you fix that.
01:42<talvon>chealer, any ideas?
01:42<chealer>talvon: BTW, which setup? that mobo?
01:42<love>twb: on my functional lenny system the moust is /dev/input/mouse
01:42<love>and /dev/input exists as a folder, not a link
01:42<chealer>talvon: no, besides Google...and figuring out a few acronyms there :)
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01:43<love>twb: I mounted my lenny system in my chroot so I could access it, but when I ls /lenny/dev /lenny/dev/input doesn't exist
01:43<love>the files above and below it do... but its gone
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01:43<talvon>its just an Athlon 64 X2 5200+ in a Nvidia Crosshair
01:43<twb>love: as jm_ said, you should mount -o rbind /dev /lenny/dev
01:44<twb>Probably also the same for {,/lenny}/sys and {,/lenny}/proc
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01:44<mlots>talvon:talvon: shot in the dark, have you tried disabling PnP in the bios? Someone else fixed a similar issue like that.
01:44<twb>Of course, this amounts to punching holes through your chroot, so if you're trying to reduce risk by chrooting it is a Bad Move
01:44<talvon>no i havent. ill try that right now.
01:44<chealer>talvon: I meant, which setup are you referring to in "everything i read says this setup cant run it"?
01:44<love>I'll try that
01:45<talvon>ohh a bunch of forums when i initially went to install was saying that there was compatability issues with this motherboard. took me forever to figure out acpi=off
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01:47<talvon>it doesnt lock up. some proccess during boot seems to lag out and the kernel eventually catches up but takes like an hour and half
01:47<love>In my lenny system I mounted lennys root to /media/unstable/lenny as well, how do I unmount it, so I can remount with the rbind, if I do unmount /dev/hda2 won't that unmount my lenny system as well?
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01:47<love>should I just reboot?
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01:47<chealer>talvon: OK
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01:48<chealer>talvon: perhaps workaround...which Linux image flavours did you try? like did you try the 486 image?
01:48<talvon>chealer, it came from and it was an AM2 compatability issue
01:49<talvon>i did not. i just went for amd64 since thats what the processor is
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01:49<chealer>talvon: then maybe you should try a 486, just to see if it would workaround
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01:51<talvon>i dont even see 486 on the debian images list =/
01:51<chealer>talvon: uh, what do you see then?
01:51<talvon>[alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch]
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01:52<chealer>talvon: that's the [main] arches list, it's not a list of Linux images
01:52<chealer>talvon: wait, are you running Debian i386 or amd64?
01:52<talvon>ohhhhhhh i see what your refering to. sorry
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01:53<chealer>talvon: ah, then you can't try a 486 image without installing Debian i386
01:53<talvon>ohh :(
01:54<talvon>ill brb gonna try to disable pnp
01:54<chealer>talvon: well, unless you can find a workaround in one hour of Google, I suggest you try Debian i386 with a 486 image.
01:54<talvon>reason i chose amd64 was because of my memory =/ i386 wont support it all will it?
01:55<chealer>talvon: it will, unless you have a hardcore amount
01:55<mlots>talvon: you can also try a bootcd for i386 and see if that works at all. netinstcd might be nice...
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01:56<mlots>Is the limit 2G or 4G? I haven't kept up to date.
01:56<talvon>i think 4g but i have 8g
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01:56<Slydder>morning all
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01:56<mlots>talvon: then the limit is just per usrspae application.
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01:58<mlots>'r that was a general qustion...
01:58<talvon>your right. they say disabling pnp and adding irqpoll to boot
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02:02<JustSoul>I also have usb problem: "usb-storage: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -5"
02:02<JustSoul>on any usb-device
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02:04<talvon>chealer, i cant believe that was freakin it
02:04<talvon>all devices are registering fine now
02:05<chealer>talvon: good. because 8 GB *is* an insane amount of RAM :-P
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02:05<chealer>talvon: what's the machine's role, BTW?
02:05<talvon>gaming =p
02:06<talvon>i usually fill em up and when i move on they become servers. so it will be very usefull later on
02:06<chealer>talvon: wah. any special game?
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02:06<talvon>i dont like having empty slots.
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02:07<talvon>soooo much stuff loaded up in lsmod now. how was i even running before
02:07<chealer>ah, I see, a 4 slots mobo. never seen that besides on my K7S5A
02:08<chealer>I guess RAM *is* cheap these days.
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02:08<talvon>its some specially gamers mobo so they threw in crap just to say they did. heck the boot screen says Republic of Gamers
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02:09<talvon>and there is a button to light up the inside of your mobo with all these little diod lights and a scrolling lcd on the back to post errors rather then beeps
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02:10<chealer>talvon: haha. well, enjoy ppracer!
02:10<talvon>to much flare imo. but it had all the options i could ever possibly want
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02:10*JustSoul ignored =((
02:11<talvon>thank you so much chealer
02:15<JustSoul> me..
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02:15<mlots>JustSoul: Gotta find what created that error.
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02:18<mlots>JustSoul: Kernel version & package?
02:19<JustSoul>2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 00:47:00 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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02:19<mlots>I'm checking right now
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02:23<mlots> might help debug usb issues.
02:24<mlots>I'd like to find the printk in source/drivers/usb/storage/debug.c or another file in that directory that prints the error you'r seeing.
02:26<mlots>JustSoul: Can you find it? I wish there was an easier way to search the kernel source code online.
02:26<Guest858>#/join /buntu
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02:28<mlots>JustSoul: The rest of that FAQ might help.
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02:33<mlots>Can someon grep "probe of" kernelsource/source/drivers/usb/storage/* and tell me the file to look at?
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02:36<mlots>JustSoul: I can't find it. At least google and that linux usb group migt be of some help still.
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02:36<JustSoul>mlots: sorry, work.. I'll back soon, what package consist kernel-source?
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02:38<mlots>JustSoul: apt-cache search kernel-source maybe.
02:39<mlots>JustSoul: Here's someone not solving a similar problem to you: Just last month.
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02:40<mlots>It seems the "probe of" error -5 happens for other USB device types.
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02:41<mlots>Here's someone seeing it on several devices (posted to lkml):
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02:47<mlots>Ahh -5 is -EIO and the error can happen n all sorts f classes of devices.
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02:48<mlots>Could be blacklisted. Check lsusb and lookup the device ID.
02:48<mlots> ;-) Gota go
02:48<JustSoul>mlots: "apt-cache search kernel-source" finds nothing interesting,
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02:49<JustSoul>mlots: one moment, i'll find some usb-device..
02:49<mlots>She tells me "the someone" was me.
02:50<mlots>;-) jk
02:50<mlots>JustSoul: lsusb -vvv grab the devic id, search the codand google.
02:51<mlots>arg,keyboardn's getting worse.
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02:53<JustSoul>mlots: mouse:
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02:55<mlots>JustSoul: Sounds like several issues, or some debugging needed. lsusb -vvv and check the device id status on google or in the code. Also double check your bios settings as talvon found out.
02:56<JustSoul>mlots: usb-pen:
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02:59<mlots>USB ID is 0951:1203. Note they're two parts, and it's likely in HEX. Try google and try grepping the kernel source code. Also try by that popular brand name.
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03:16<JustSoul>I have some another problem, on some computer (similar configs than anothers) winbind start working correctly after restarting it.. =(
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03:17<JustSoul>And I add after boot script that restart it
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03:22<JustSoul>I have...
03:22<JustSoul> many quiestions
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03:25<alk3>what is the LAME libe called in debian sid?
03:25<alk3>i cant find it in the repos
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03:27<jm_>mralk3: it's in d-m repository
03:28<mralk3>d-m as in what?
03:29<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
03:30<mralk3>jm_ oh man. thanks. i think its just too late for me. im going to sleep after this
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03:36<JustSoul>How to edit pdf?
03:36<JustSoul>What package is simillar MS Exchange?
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03:52<chakal>join #ubuntu-fr
03:53<JustSoul>chakal: no shprehen fr
03:53<chakal>speak english ?
03:54<JustSoul>no english
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03:54<chakal>nor french ?
03:54<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:54<JustSoul>morgan`: I know
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03:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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03:55<chakal>thnx morgan
03:55<AndyJ>Hi people! What is the debian preferred firewall for a simple debian desktop system?
03:55<AndyJ>I notice a number of configuration tools that I could be using with iptables...
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03:56<AndyJ>lokkit, shorewall...
03:57<chakal>can anyone help me with wine ?
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04:08<JAK>hi friends
04:08<JAK>i want to know how to install cluster in debian
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04:10<JAK>if anybody knows the cluster , please tell me
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04:16<talvon>what a popular oss mixer? all i can find is alsa
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04:17<jm_>cam for example
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04:17<jm_>or aumix
04:18<talvon>ya i get a weird error with aumix SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK so assumed it was for alsa lol
04:18<talvon>had all alsa drivers then found drivers for my xfi finally =)
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04:19<talvon>ahh there is no /dev/mixer lol
04:20<Rijoe>Anybody can help me?
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04:23<talvon>whats up.
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04:23<Rijoe>how to print from dos windows to linux?
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04:25<dpkg>from memory, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf, or see <cups>
04:25<padski>isn't there samba printing as well ?
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04:27<Rijoe>My Samba is running well and My CUPS too
04:27<jm_>yes, and CUPS has short docs about configuring Windows - recent versions don't need samba
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04:28<Rijoe>I have a server (Windows 2003) and some client (Ubuntu)
04:29<Rijoe>I have a program running under DOS Windows want to print to Linux printer
04:30<Rijoe>Before that, I usually use "net use lpt1" to my client where still used Windows XP
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04:30<Rijoe>But now, I using Linux on my client
04:31<suiside>if you run ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu
04:31<Rijoe>If I print from non Dos Windows to Linux, it's OK because using CUPS
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04:32<Rijoe>How I can print from Linux
04:33<Rijoe>upss, from Dos Windows i
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04:40<Axel-Akad>Rijoe - so u use some dos emulator on your linux box to run an old DOS programm, right ?
04:41<Rijoe>I have a server with Windows 2003
04:41<Rijoe>and client Linux
04:41<Axel-Akad>i read that already.. is 10 lines up there.
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04:41<Rijoe>I want to print from DOS Windows 2003 to Linux
04:42<Rijoe>I don't use dos emulator
04:42<Axel-Akad>DOS on windows 2003 ?!? duh ?!
04:43<amphi>Rijoe: samba
04:44<Axel-Akad>just a guess since im not very familiar with cups... but 1. install samba for getting some printer-shares (u need to configure of course)
04:44<Axel-Akad>2. install a "remote printer" on windows 2003 with the apropriate printer driver for your printer
04:44<Axel-Akad>3. do a net use lpt: \\host\share as u did before
04:45<Rijoe>I have been tried all that
04:45<Axel-Akad>at 2. you point it to your linux box and the printer share of course
04:45<Rijoe>but finally, when I use the net use
04:46<Rijoe>command prompt asking me for the username and pass to login
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04:46<Axel-Akad>thats sounds like permission problem with the samba share... AND... oh of course
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04:47<Axel-Akad>beware of the PACKET-SIGNING security feature at windows 2003 - this "feature" secures windows 2003 from communicating with other NON-WINDOWS Systems
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04:47<Axel-Akad>using CIFS/SMB
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04:47<Axel-Akad>to disable the packet-signing thingy you will need to configure a local security policy on wour w2K3 server
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04:48<Axel-Akad>else it would never be able to make your win server connect to your samba..
04:49<Axel-Akad>so i recomment you start fixing this first before using any printing stuff. install samba on linux, make some share to some filesyste, configure win2003 to successfully enter the samba share (maybe without any authentication) and then try accessing the printer share
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04:56<Axel-Akad>some quote : 2. On your DC, disable signing: Run Domain Controller Policy tool and edit Account Policies -> Security Options -> Microsoft network client: Digitally sign communications (always) Set this to Disabled. Do the same in the Domain Policy tool. Note, you will need to reboot the server for this step, though it won't tell you to.
04:57<Axel-Akad>not 100% correct, but it shows the way
04:58<Rijoe>Where I can disable the local security policy on my win 2003 server?
04:59<Axel-Akad>U MUST NOT DISABLE THE LOCAL SEC.POLICY! Just 2 or 4 single parameters of those
05:00<Axel-Akad>see this >> Apple MAC Users got the same problem here >> Read this! Contains the Instructions:
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05:02<Axel-Akad>Here is some "official" Document by Microshit:
05:02<dmobi>hi guys. how can i make port 3306 only for localhost with iptables?
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05:04<Axel-Akad>dmobi - if u like MYSQL Server only to be accessed from localhost, you can use the unix-socket instead. a lots of apps support that.
05:04<Axel-Akad>dmobi - in this case u can disable/filter the port 3306 at all.
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05:05<Rijoe>Also I want to ask to you all
05:06<Rijoe>Squid proxy cannot access from port 80 at client?
05:06<Rijoe>is it true?
05:06<Rijoe>Why my squid working well only on port 8080
05:07<Axel-Akad>Rijoe - u dont have some webserver running on 80 already, dont u ?
05:07<dmobi>axel-akad: what is unix socket? i need to access it locally because my CMS uses it
05:07<dmobi>i use drupal
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05:10<Lynx>There is a debian-policy on ports
05:10<Axel-Akad>dmobi - a unix-socket is some sort of a "special file" on your local linux-filesystem. this "file" is existing (usualy) if u start mysql. and is removed if u stop mysql.
05:10<Lynx>Port 1-999 is reserved for system
05:10<Lynx>wait a sec
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05:10<Axel-Akad>dmobi - other applications can access this special file to communicate with mysql JUST LIKE it woule be a network connunication (which is not)
05:11<Lynx>aaah no it must be port 1-1024
05:11<dmobi>axel-akad that's great idea. but how can i implement it? drupal will understand how to conect to it when it will search localhost:3306?
05:11<Lynx>but i can't find it now
05:11<Axel-Akad>dmobi - if u need to know if your application support unix-sockets for database connectivity you will need to read the manuals for your CMS app.
05:12<Lynx>so I'm not sure if it was debian policy or a kernel thing
05:12<dmobi>let me check
05:12<Rijoe>thx to you all friends
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05:13<dmobi>as i understand it can conect
05:13<Axel-Akad>dmobi - if your app supports unix-sockets you can configure it to use this instead of network connection. then...after that you can configure mysql to NOT USE NETWORK at all.
05:14<Axel-Akad>dmobi - but that depends on your app.. and i dont know this CMS at all
05:14<dmobi>so axel-akad this does not depend on debian system?
05:14<dmobi>i mean how to create this socket
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05:15<Axel-Akad>dmobi - this is linux standard. works on any linux. you dont need to create this socket since it will be created by mysql automaticly
05:16<Axel-Akad>dmobi - at anytime you start it. and is removed if you stop mysql. lemme check for the default location..
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05:18<dmobi>ah so i have to read mysql documentation to see how to create it right?
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05:18<victor>what is the alternative for flashget?
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05:19<Axel-Akad>dmobi - read my upper lines.. i told you now 3 times or so :)
05:20<victor>or is there a download manager for debian which can speed up downloading?
05:20<Axel-Akad>dmobi - lol... see this:
05:20<jm_>victor: that's not possible
05:21<Axel-Akad>dmobi - on my debian the default unix-socket for mysql is located at /var/run/mysqld
05:22<victor>jm_, why?
05:22<dmobi>axel thanks for the link: it says: mysql.default_socket = /full/path/tol/mysql.sock
05:22<dmobi>so it is a /run file not a *.sock file?
05:22<jm_>victor: well it will go as fast as your link permits - what do you mean with make downloads faster anyway?
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05:24<padski>the iptables factoid seems to have a lot of whitespace at the begining ??
05:24<Axel-Akad>dmobi - dont u know the difference between path and file ? then you should read some manuals about files and filestructures first
05:24<victor>jm_, I mean the tool can divide the target into mutiple chunks and download them simutaneously.
05:24<jm_>victor: lftp can do that
05:24<victor>like flashget, you know.
05:24<jm_>I don't know what flashget is ;)
05:25<Axel-Akad>its a downloadmanager for windows
05:25<Axel-Akad>commercial product
05:25<jm_>check if aria or d4x can do that, I forgot
05:26<dmobi>yes i know what is path and a file ofcourse
05:26<jm_>if you want GUI apps that is
05:26<Axel-Akad>victor - there are plenty of download managers . but i never used one so i cant recomment something.
05:27<victor>Axel-Akad, yeah, I have searched, there are a lot, I just don't know which to pick.
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05:27<Axel-Akad>XD - the old problem
05:27<victor>see the link above.
05:27<Axel-Akad>try n error
05:28<victor>Axel-Akad, you mean x4d?
05:28<Axel-Akad>victor - do u use firefox on linux ?
05:28<victor>no, Iceweasel keeps on crashing and I have given up on it.
05:29<victor>Axel-Akad, I now use epiphany.
05:29<Axel-Akad>then they may be some "firefox add-on" or "plugin" available for linux that would do the job within firefox. that could the the easiest way for you, maybe
05:29<victor>Axel-Akad, yeah, there is downthemall extension, very useful.
05:30<Axel-Akad>victor - u use debian, recent version ? up to date? and firefox is crashing there?!
05:30<dmobi>axel :P
05:30<dmobi>i opened /etc/mysql/my.cnf and found socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
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05:30<Axel-Akad>dmobi - congratulations!
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05:31<jm_>dmobi: next time use netstat/lsof
05:31<Axel-Akad>dmobi - now check your CMS manual for configuring using the socket instead of network.
05:31<Axel-Akad>jm_ - lots of output there :)
05:32<dmobi>jm_ : mysqld 1262 mysql 13u IPv4 1647 TCP *:mysql (LISTEN)
05:32<dmobi>how can this help me?
05:32<dmobi>i made lsof -i:3306
05:32<dmobi>i found also bind-address = to make it bind only at localhost
05:32<Axel-Akad>unix-sockets do not use "ports". they use path and filenames.
05:33<jm_>dmobi: netstat -nap|grep mysql
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05:33<dmobi>i know axel. but in case i use ports maybe it's bettern this bind-address instead of firewall
05:34<dmobi>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 1262/mysqld
05:34<dmobi>unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1648 1262/mysqld /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
05:34<jm_>no need to paste it
05:34<dmobi>thanks jm! sorry for the big paste
05:34<jm_>just so that you'll know how to find its socket next time
05:34<dmobi>thanks a lot
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05:35<Axel-Akad>dmobi - by default mysql binds itself to anything! every local IP Interface AND to the unix-socket file. so of course u can use for connecting to your DB...but this does not protect your DB server from been accessed by port 3306, still.
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05:36<dmobi>aha. i thought there is something at my.cnf to make bind ONLY at localhost
05:36<Axel-Akad>dmobi - so you should also check mysql config file to make mysql only bint to socket and maybe
05:36<Axel-Akad>dmobi - yes there is
05:36<Axel-Akad>need to have lunch now ;) c u l8r
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05:43<s-andy>hi, I have a very weird problem... some of the packages are dropped (by kernel, i guess)... I have an internal interface (eth2) and external pppoe ppp2
05:43<s-andy>all packages come to the internal interface... but only some of them come out of the external iface
05:44<s-andy>tried disabling firewall - did not help
05:44<s-andy>cannot find any error... any notification about the dropped packages
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05:45<s-andy>ifconfig shows 0 dropped packets
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05:45<s-andy>sorry, packages above = packets
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05:52<rhinovirus>is compiling the kernel really complicated?
05:53<koollman>rhinovirus: no
05:53<rhinovirus>any guides you could forward me to?
05:54<rhinovirus>i guess i could look for myself
05:54<s-andy>I believe if a packet was dropped there should be some method to determine why...
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05:55<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>
05:55<jm_>rhinovirus: ^^^^^^^
05:56<dartagnan>i have a problem with debian
05:57<dartagnan>i used it without problems but now i tryed to suspend my system... now i read and error and i must start X manually
05:57<dartagnan>read an error*
05:58<dartagnan>perhaps debian creates suspension files but they corrupted...
05:58<dartagnan>how can i resolve this program?
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05:59<dartagnan>can you help me pls?
06:00<suiside>not unless you tell us what actually is wrong
06:00<suiside>what error do you get, when do you get it, what have you already tried
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06:01<dartagnan>when i boot the system i can't run directily in X mode
06:01<dartagnan>first i read an error ( seek error)
06:02<dartagnan>in hda
06:02<dartagnan>( i have sda)
06:02<suiside>can you give us the exact error message
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06:03<dartagnan>now i reboot
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06:03<dartagnan>and copy the exact error
06:03<dartagnan>just a moment
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06:08<Axelix>s-andy - did u checked routing table ?
06:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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06:10<morgan`>really, dpkg has a impressing number of features :)
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06:13<dartagnan>now i write the error
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06:14<dartagnan>HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed :Input/output error
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06:19<dartagnan>hda drive_cmd status 0x51 {DriveReady Seek Complete Error} HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed :Input/output error
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06:19<jm_>dartagnan: what error code do you see?
06:20<fabio>tem alguem ai
06:20<dartagnan>ide failed opcode was oxef
06:20<fabio>sorry bye
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06:21<dartagnan>jm_ I try to suspend my system and now i have this error
06:22<dartagnan>first the system was ok...
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06:23<jm_>hmm 0x04 is aborted command
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06:25<dartagnan>how can i resolve it?
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06:25<dartagnan>in my opinion
06:26<dartagnan>it depends from suspention
06:26<jm_>I don't know - are you passing resume= kernel option?
06:27<dartagnan>how can i see if i use this option?
06:27<jm_>cat /proc/cmdline
06:27<dartagnan>cat /proc/cmdline
06:28<dartagnan>root=/dev/sda6 ro
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06:28<jm_>so no I suppose
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06:29<dartagnan>when i try to suspend suspention did not work
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06:29<jm_>are you sure the above is not caused by hdparm or somesuch?
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06:30<dartagnan>i dont know but before this error i used debian without problems
06:31<jm_>well that error alone doesn't seem very problematic
06:31<jm_>unless there's more that you haven't pasted
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06:34<dartagnan>can it depend from initrd.img?
06:34<dartagnan>mmmm now i reboot
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06:45<dmobi>hi. how i can make mysql not to have any port open?
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06:47<pv2b>i'm trying to reinstall grub on my usb stick. for some reason, i get "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." when trying grub-install /dev/sdb. what might I be doing wrong?
06:47<pv2b>(yes, the file exists)
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06:51<dartagnan>i tried whid dmesg
06:51<dartagnan>this is the complete error message
06:52<dartagnan>hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
06:52<dartagnan>hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand }
06:52<dartagnan>ide: failed opcode was: 0xef
06:52<dartagnan>hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
06:52<dartagnan>hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand }
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06:52<jm_>pv2b: run it with --debug
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06:53<weasel>dartagnan: looks like your disk is fucked
06:53<dartagnan>jm_ have you read my message?
06:54<dartagnan>but now i am using it
06:54<dartagnan>my disk is not hda
06:54<dartagnan>it is sata... so it is sda
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06:54<Axelix>dmobi - read mysql manual and edit the mysql config file. make it NOT BIND to any network adress!
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06:55<jm_>dartagnan: what is hda then?
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06:55<dartagnan>i dont know
06:56<dartagnan>how can i see it?
06:56<pv2b>jm_: that resulted in a bunch of output, not sure what to make of it
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06:56<pv2b>jm_: not very helpful, at least to me. you want me to make it available somewhere?
06:57<jm_>pv2b: pastebin
06:57<dartagnan>in my opinion it may depend from my tentative of system suspention
06:58<pv2b>jm_: this machine doesnt exactly have a GUI web browser, i was thinking more of putting up a .txt file on a http server -- is that ifne?
06:58<jm_>pv2b: you can upload files via lynx and
06:58<jm_>dartagnan: dmesg|grep hda
06:58<pv2b>jm_: i'll remember that until next time, but for now i just put it online on -- if that doesnt work for you ill pastebin it
06:59<dartagnan>it is my dvd unit
06:59<jm_>dartagnan: ignore the error
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07:00<dartagnan>but how can i have dicectly access in X mode?
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07:00<pv2b>jm_: not sure where its getting the idea that sda2 is my root drive. it isn't. it's sdb2.
07:00<jm_>dartagnan: what X mode?
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07:00<pv2b>jm_: grepped through everything in /boot/grub
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07:00<jm_>pv2b: did you try with --recheck already?
07:00<pv2b>jm_: yeah
07:01<dartagnan>when i start debian now i must digit "startx"
07:01<jm_>dartagnan: install display manager
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07:01<dartagnan>i want to be directly in graphic mode
07:01<dartagnan>i have installed display manager
07:02<dartagnan>i want boot in graphic mode without
07:02<dartagnan>insert startx
07:02<pv2b>dartagnan: no, you'
07:02<pv2b>dartagnan: no, you've probably installed an X server... not a display manager
07:02<pv2b>you want something like kdm or gdm
07:02<pv2b>that'll allow you to log in graphically
07:02<dartagnan>i have installed gdm
07:03<pv2b>youve installed gnome, yes, but are you sure you've installed *gdm*? it's an optional package...
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07:04<pv2b>what happens if you do /etc/init.d/gdm start as root?
07:04<jm_>pv2b: how are you calling it?
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07:05<dartagnan>Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdmmonkey:
07:05<pv2b>jm_: grub-install /dev/sdb2
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07:05<jm_>pv2b: are you sure ypu want this?
07:05<pv2b>dartagnan: ok, but you don't get it up on the screen?
07:05<pv2b>jm_: sorry
07:05<pv2b>jm_: i meant grub-install /dev/sdb
07:06<jm_>pv2b: run /usr/sbin/grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
07:06<pv2b>and yeah, i want it in the mbr of /dev/sdb -- on my usb stick
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07:06<dartagnan>now i am using xchat from graphic mode
07:06<dartagnan>i digit startx
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07:06<dartagnan>and now i am in gnome
07:07<dartagnan>i want to be in gnome direcly
07:07<pv2b>dartagnan: ah, i see, in that case, you should restart your machine, and then try /etc/init.d/gdm start again. see if that brings anything up. gdm won't work properly if X is already started
07:07<pv2b>dartagnan: it might just be that gdm somehow isn't starting automatically even if it's installed properly, want to make sure thats fine first
07:08<dartagnan>now i reboot
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07:08<pv2b>jm_: same thing as before. i'll pastebin the exact output in a second
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07:10<jm_>pv2b: hmm this means grub fails in batch mode
07:10<__fang>hello! i'm getting a hang up during the installation of debian lenny from DVD, in the ssl-cert package. it has been reported quite often the last days. is there a way to avoid it while installing the system?
07:10<jm_>pv2b: sbin grub emulator that is
07:10<jm_>pv2b: check /tmp/grub-install.log.*
07:11<pv2b>jm_: there are no such files, there are a bunch of grub tmp files though
07:11<pv2b>ah. interesting.
07:11<jm_>pv2b: ahh crap, it deletes
07:11<pv2b>grub> dump (hd0,1)/boot/grub/stage1 /tmp/grub24B3mO
07:11<pv2b>that's clearly wrong
07:11<jm_>right that's the one
07:12<pv2b>i dont know where it got the idea that /dev/sdb2 is on (hd0,1)
07:12<pv2b>it's like it's not probing the devices properly
07:12<pv2b>sounds like ill have to hack manually :-(
07:12<__fang>any tips?
07:12<pv2b>(this might have something to dowith udev which might be renaming my devices)
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07:13<pv2b>__fang: have you tried just ctrl-cing at that point?
07:13<pv2b>__fang: ctrl+c:ing that is
07:13<jm_>pv2b: root_drive=`convert "$root_device"
07:13<pv2b>jm_: where?
07:13<jm_>and root_device=`find_device ${rootdir}`
07:13<jm_>pv2b: in the shell script
07:13<__fang>it's damn had, because it goes fast... and after it is "installed", it does nothing
07:13<pv2b>jm_: you want me to modify grub-install?
07:14<jm_>pv2b: I think you may need to call it with --root-directory
07:14<__fang>i'll try to press ctrl+c before it installs
07:14<jm_>pv2b: no, that's already in it :)
07:14<__fang>in fact, i'm waiting fo the installation to reach the point
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07:15<pv2b>jm_: you mean something like grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sdb ?
07:16<dartagnan>nothing to do.......
07:16<jm_>pv2b: well "=/" should probably something different - just like if you use separate /boot partition
07:16<pv2b>dartagnan: when you did /etc/init.d/gdm start, it did nothing?
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07:16<pv2b>jm_: i dont use a seperate /boot part
07:16<dartagnan>Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdmmonkey:
07:17<pv2b>dartagnan: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
07:17<pv2b>jm_: and even if i try using --root-directory=/boot it doesnt seem like a good idea. instead i just get The file /boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
07:17<pv2b>jm_: anyway im pretty sure the grub's device probing is messed up, so i'll just hack the device map myself
07:17<jm_>pv2b: yeah but this is somewhat similar, you need to install it in chroot I think
07:18<dartagnan>dpkg-reconfigure gdm
07:18<dartagnan>Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
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07:18<jm_>pv2b: I doubt that - it uses df
07:18<pv2b>dartagnan: in that case probably you want to reinstall gdm. dpkg --purge gdm and then apt-get install gdm
07:19<pv2b>jm_: yeah, and i checked the device map manually, it looks right. i just dont udnerstand why grub is trying to read from /dev/hda2 which is wrong
07:19<__fang>pv2b: well... it didn't work =]
07:19<pv2b>__fang: in that case, sorry, i don't really know. maybe if you ask again, somebody else knows :-)
07:19<jm_>pv2b: I think we need to debug find_device and convert functions, i.e. add set -x in them
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07:20<pv2b>jm_: you want me to put set +x at the end of the functions too?
07:20<pv2b>(i'm not that good at bash scripting unfortuntately :-/)
07:20<jm_>pv2b: no at the start and copy the script to /tmp - don't edit the one in /usr/sbin
07:20<__fang>i guess i'll wait until someone corrects it and i can get it right via apt-get =D thanks anyway
07:21<jm_>__fang: wait
07:21<pv2b>jm_: ok, i'll have it on pastebin in a minute
07:22<__fang>jm_: sorry?
07:22<jm_>__fang: is it hanging now?
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07:22<__fang>jm_: i rebooted, but i can get to it again
07:23<jm_>__fang: well up to you
07:23<__fang>just by waiting some time =]
07:23<__fang>jm_: do you have any solution?
07:25<jm_>__fang: you can use tty2 to debug it
07:26<__fang>jm_: tty4 shows the message. i don't recall it exaclty, but it is something about obsolete commands and so
07:26<__fang>i'll run it again
07:26<__fang>just a few minutes
07:27<pv2b>jm_: doesnt seem to be much more information than in the --debug
07:27<pv2b>jm_: --debug just seems to enable "set x" anyway
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07:28<seanius>dmobi: Axelix the option is "skip-networking"
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07:29<chandu>What does these two commands do , I am bit confused ..
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07:29<chandu>"dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero"
07:29<jm_>pv2b: yeah it's grubdir fucking it up
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07:29<chandu>"dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda1"
07:30<jm_>reads 1M from the file
07:30<seanius>chandu: the first outputs an infinite supply of 1MB chunks of zeros
07:30<jm_>actually stupid me, reads from files in chunks of 1M
07:30<chandu>seanius, jm_ ok
07:30<pv2b>jm_: ok, so how do i make it... uh... not fuck up? :-)
07:30<seanius>chandu: the second outputs the raw contents of your primary partition on your first hard drive, in 1 MB chunks
07:31<chandu>seanius, ok
07:31<seanius>er, primary hard drive, first partition
07:31<dmobi>thanks seanius
07:31<jm_>pv2b: instrall in chroot I suppose
07:31<ppetrak>hi, anyone know how to map mouse side buttons to XF86Back+XF86Forward?
07:32<pv2b>jm_: so i need to reboot into install media and chroot there? is that what you're saying?
07:32<pv2b>jm_: or is there another way without rebooting?
07:32<suiside>ppetrak: xmodmap?
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07:32<chandu>seanius, what does this do
07:32<__fang>ppetrak: try xbindkeys. find the shell commands to do it and map it =]
07:32<chandu>seanius, dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero | curl -v --connect-timeout 5 --upload-file - http://serverip:3466/upload/junk.dat
07:32<jm_>pv2b: well how are you doing it now?
07:33<chandu>seanius, curl if for upload , right
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07:33<seanius>chandu: it lokos like you're trying to upload an infinitely large file
07:33<__fang>ppetrak: you're welcome xD
07:33<seanius>i.e. /dev/zero never ends
07:34<pv2b>jm_: i'm booted into the system that i want to fix grub for
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07:34<pv2b>jm_: basicalyl i got grub installed before, but it's got some wrong kernel boot settings that im sick of having to fix manually
07:34<pv2b>so i can get it to boot by fixing the root= option
07:34<__fang>jm_: it's getting the packages, as soon as it hangs i'll tell you
07:34<pv2b>which for some reason was set incorrectly
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07:35<jm_>pv2b: you mean you booted from USB stick?
07:35<pv2b>jm_: yeah
07:36<pv2b>so i have grub on it already, and it works.... kinda. except i have to fiddle with the boot params every time i want to boot it since the device names were wrong
07:36<pv2b>at least it worked before i started messing with it and i havent rebooted since
07:36<chandu>seanius, but what abt --connect-timeout option setto 5
07:37<jm_>pv2b: well where is /boot/grub now?
07:37<pv2b>jm_: on / whihc is on /dev/sdb2
07:37<pv2b>oh, wait a minute.
07:37<jm_>pv2b: it's not
07:37<pv2b>suddenly it's on /dev/sda2
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07:37<pv2b>thanks :-)
07:37<chandu>seanius, ok ..I got it
07:37<chandu>seanius, Thank you
07:37<pv2b>now i need to figure out why on eearth *that* happened
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07:38<pv2b>jm_: wait. this makes no sense. according to mtab, / is on /dev/hsda2
07:38<pv2b>but according to fdisk, my usb stick is on /dev/sdb2
07:39<pv2b>so somehow mtab has a twisted idea about what the device names are
07:39<pv2b>dartagnan: still ntohing after reinstalling gdm?
07:39<dartagnan>i can not remove gdm
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07:39<pv2b>dartagnan: what happens if you try?
07:39<dartagnan>if i try to remove it
07:39<jm_>pv2b: cat /sys/block/sd*/device/model
07:39<pv2b>never mind that one
07:39<dartagnan>the message is thre are dependecies
07:40<pv2b>jm_: yeah, that confirms that sda is the internal hdd and sdb is the USB stick
07:40<dartagnan>i have to remove all application?
07:40<pv2b>dartagnan: no. that wont be neccessary
07:40<pv2b>dartagnan: did you try dpkg-reconfigure already?
07:40<jm_>pv2b: interesting stuff :)
07:40<pv2b>dartagnan: then try apt-get --reinstall install gdm
07:41<pv2b>dartagnan: that shouldnt bother you about deps
07:41<pv2b>jm_: so, anyway, in the end, my mtab is fucked up which is probably why grub is failing
07:41<pv2b>jm_: fixing mtab manually is probably an ugly hack but i bet it'll work
07:42<pv2b>(mtab in itself is an ugly hack imo. using a text file in a file system to store state about mounted drives is asking for trouble ;-)
07:42<jm_>pv2b: how about /proc/mounts?
07:42<pv2b>jm_: /proc/mounts looks more sane
07:42<dartagnan>Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
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07:43<pv2b>jm_: i didnt know about /proc/mounts, you think i cna safely just cp over that to mtab? (the formats look strangely similar)
07:44<jm_>pv2b: some people have /etc/mtab symlinked to that
07:44<jm_>pv2b: man mount discusses it
07:44<pv2b>jm_: sounds relatively sane
07:44<pv2b>jm_: but for now ill just cp over /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab and see what happens when i rerun grub
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07:45<ale_ryu>Hi guys, I have a problem with the Debian Installer (lenny). It hangs up while trying to configure ssl-cert. I've tried with netinst 2 times yesterday, thinking I made something wrong, but no, today I downloaded a full CD and the problem persists. Is there a way to install lenny without having to download etch and then upgrading?
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07:46<pv2b>jm_: that actually seems to have worked
07:47<pv2b>jm_: i wont know until i reboot though
07:47<pv2b>brb :-)
07:47<__fang>jm_: debconf: Obsolete command TITLE Configuring ssl-cert called
07:47<__fang>jm_: any tips?
07:48<jm_>__fang: and it hangs there now?
07:48<__fang>jm_: forever
07:49<jm_>__fang: what does "ps auxw" show (on tty2)?
07:49<ale_ryu>I have the same problem during installation!
07:50<__fang>ale_ryu: i guess it is a big problem, lots of reports about that =/
07:50<__fang>jm_: well. it's pretty big, is there something that i should look for?
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07:50<__fang>jm_: there is a stopped openssl stuff there
07:50<ale_ryu>yeah, but there must be a way to keep installing the system.
07:51<__fang>ale_ryu: i really hope so! AFAIK you can install the stable release with no problem. this is just an issue on testing ans unstable
07:51<pv2b>jm_: at least grub gort
07:51<pv2b>jm_: at least grub got installed with changed params now :-) thanks
07:52<pv2b>now i just need to fix one more thing thats broken with the settings and then i'm all set
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07:52<pv2b>thank you for your help, couldnt have done it without you. or at least not in this short amount of time
07:52<__fang>maybe i got the solution
07:53<__fang>i just killed the openssl process and it is now going
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07:53<ale_ryu>will try that then
07:53<__fang>i don't know if i'll get a problem later on, but anyway, my system is installing
07:54<__fang>ale_ryu: do it. call the tty2, find the process and spank it out xD
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07:54<__fang>anyone knows what the hell is ssl for?
07:54<jm_>__fang: dpkg and all its sub processes
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07:55<__fang>jm_: dpkg requires ssl?
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07:55<jm_>__fang: might be worth finding where it's hanging
07:55<jm_>__fang: no, it's installing packages
07:55<__fang>jm_: oh. sorry xD
07:55<pv2b>jm_: interesting, the mtab is broken after reboot. again. seems like i'm going to have to symlink it.
07:57<pv2b>or wait. it might be udev messing up.
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08:00<dartagnan>i reinstalled gdm
08:00<dartagnan>but nothing
08:00<dartagnan>i run in text mode and i must insert "startx"
08:01<pv2b>dartagnan: strange, it should work. i don't really know what else to try in that case...
08:01<__fang>well!! it crashes!! T-T i give up
08:02<jm_>doesn't it have a logfile?
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08:03<__fang>i appreciate the help of you guys, but i'll just install the stable release and wait until the ssl is ok
08:03<__fang>see you
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08:05<ale_ryu>what if I grab the ssl-cert package from stable and rename it to fit the one in testing, am I going to break EVERYTHING if I try that?
08:06<OdyX>Hi. What do you have as splash system ? splashy or usplash ?
08:06<jm_>ale_ryu: not a good idea
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08:07<ale_ryu>hehe, well, I'm desperate, I need my computer running as soon as possible
08:08<chandu>I am trying to upload a file of infinite size to my server
08:08<chandu>But Its stopping after uploading some gigs/megs
08:09<chandu>Its not uploading fully
08:09<chandu>but may be the reason
08:09<petemc>how could a file of infinite size ever be done fully?
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08:10<OdyX>how could a file of infinite size ever be sent to a server.
08:10<chandu>petemc, sorry ..not infinite ..a file of large size say some around 2gig uploading only upto 1 gig
08:10<petemc>have you checked the logs of your ftpd?
08:10<koollman>OdyX: well, it's easy. you split it in two first ;)
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08:10<Ankho>hi all
08:11<OdyX>how couldn't I think of it before ?
08:11<chandu>petemc, I am uplaoding using curl
08:11<petemc>chandu: right, thats the client, im talking about the server
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08:13<chandu>petemc, its httpd server - windows machine ..transgferrign from linux to windows
08:14<OdyX>then... server's fault.
08:15<Ankho>i have an error initializing X what should i do?
08:15<petemc>that sounds like downloading
08:15<petemc>chandu: try with wget or a browser, if the same thing happens, its the server
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08:17<Ankho>Fail to initialize X server
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08:18<dmobi> how can i install mod_security at debian apache?
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08:27<Lynoure>dmobi: Are you having difficulties with following a howto for it, or still searching for one?
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08:29<Lynoure>dmobi: if latter, there is , however, I don't know agi, so I find this a bit ironic way to do it unless one knows him/her and trusts their binaries :)
08:29<dmobi>i m searcing for a how to
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08:30<dmobi>there is no other way? maybe to compile it
08:31<Lynoure>dmobi: yes, there are probably instructions for that on the modsecurity site, but they seem to link to that package too, implying trust
08:32<gsimmons>dmobi: It's currently not officially packaged owing to bug #352344.
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08:34<dmobi>but it's trustworthy. what bug is this?
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08:35<Lynoure>dmobi: a special googling favour especially for you my friend just this once:
08:35<dmobi>thanks lynoure
08:35<dmobi>ah debian bug, i thought mod security bug
08:35<dmobi>so all of u say to trust this site. thanks
08:36<Lynoure>I'm more like saying: "Think, and decide your own acceptable level of trust" :)
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08:37<dmobi>would you install it lynoure?
08:38<Lynoure>dmobi: I'm still undecided... :) So 50/50 chance I'd package it for myself, and maybe end up comparing :)
08:38<dmobi>ok thanks
08:38<dmobi>maybe i ll find the source code
08:38<dmobi>Author: Falko Timme
08:38<dmobi>ah this is the guy
08:38<Lynoure>dmobi: You should not trust my judgement on this either, I'm a bit tinfoil sometimes, and you don't know me enough to use me as an authority =)
08:38<dmobi>he's trustworthy
08:39<dmobi>i just trust the author, i just saw him
08:39<dmobi>he's also drupal developer
08:39<Lynoure>dmobi: guy of the tutorial, not the guy who made the package
08:39<dmobi>you are right. and finally it is not the same guy. but someone with similar name. sorry
08:40<Lynoure>Two different guys, though both seem pretty fine. I'm just icky about other people's binaries.
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08:47<akuwamari>where can i get debian-jr ?
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08:51<gsimmons>akuwamari: See <>. There's a link to test/pre-release images within.
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08:51<akuwamari>ok, thanks, i found it
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09:10<DTE>hi all
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09:10<DTE>i'd like to check some bonnie results...anyone had made such test recently?
09:11<dartagnan>my gdm continue not working
09:11<dartagnan>it is strange
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09:13<jm_>DTE: what would that prove?
09:15<DTE>that 3ware is not so good? :-)
09:15<jm_>you would come to such conclusion solely based on bonnie results?
09:16<DTE>no...not only bonnie
09:16<DTE>but i'd like to have many source
09:17<DTE>to compare and see
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09:23<mat56924>I have a problem with my preseed.cfg
09:23<mat56924>the installation prograim said "no root filesystem"
09:24<mat56924>here the part about partman :
09:24<mat56924>does someone have a solution ?
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09:30<Heston>Morning all
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09:30<Heston>or afternoon
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09:33<Heston>I'm a desperate man at the end of his rope :-D
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09:33<Heston>I've been trying to compile and install an application from source for a little while now, and it all appears to run smoothly, but the darn thing wont work properly
09:34<Heston>if configures, makes and make installs just fine but doesnt seem to work properly
09:35<Heston>I've been holding out for someone to build a packaged version but there hasnt been much progress on that front in a week or so and I'm feeling a little desperate, thought I'd try my luck here and see if anyone had any suggestions
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09:37<AbsintheSyringe>weird, an hour ago I was setting up different dns servers, and now when I'm back home and using my own internet, kde network manager is shown if as there was no connection made ... kde 3.5.7, debian testing
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09:42<dartagnan>i resolved my problem
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09:43<dartagnan>it was a bug of splashy
09:43<dartagnan>i removed and purged all about spashy and now work all
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09:43<dartagnan>tnx for your help
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09:43<kapil>lastlog dartagnan
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09:44<dartagnan>i had a problem
09:44<kapil>sorry. i was trying to see the context of those messages! my bad.
09:44<dartagnan>and gdm dont start a graphic login
09:44<dartagnan>now i resolved it
09:45<dartagnan>dpkg --purge splashy splashy-themes
09:45<dpkg>Test Failed.
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09:45<kapil>great. "another satisfied customer"
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09:48<kapil>Heston: you have successfully told us nothing about your precise problem --- what is the package you are trying to compile?
09:49<Heston>sorry kapil, let me try and explain a little further...
09:50<Heston>the package/app I'm trying to installed is called 'obex-data-server'. its a dbus service which allows you to send files using the obex protocol, the source can be found here:
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09:51<Heston>it appears a package is being worked on but it doesnt seem to made to much progress and I'm eager to get playing around with it
09:52<Heston>it appears to configure and install without error, however, when I try to access the dbus service it tells me the service isnt supplied by any .service files.
09:53<Heston>the problem is, this is a mix of different skills, so I'm not really sure where to be asking for help, here, dbus lists, bluetooth lists? but as it appears people on other flavours arnt having issues or have packages already I thought I'd give it a shot asking here
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09:56<dpkg>somebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename.
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09:58<padski>can I use kqemu on a xen dom0 ?
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10:02<dnanar>hi everybody
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10:02<dnanar>when i'm laynching xdvi, i have got some Warning messages (Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct \n Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct ), even if i do "xdvi a.dvi >> /dev/null". Does anyone know how to silence those messages please ?
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10:05<dnanar>in fact, i just want to silence messages sent to stderr and >>/dev/null doesn't work
10:05<koollman>dnanar: 2> /dev/null
10:06<koollman>(because stderr file descriptor is '2', stdout is the default, and it's 1)
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10:06<dnanar>koollman: thanks :D
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10:19<AJM>Hi... any idea what I have to do to make Firefox + Thunderbird automatically see all available CUPS printers? (using Etch, but builds)
10:19<amphi>fun, eh?
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10:22<kapil>Heston: any success with obexpushd or ussp-push?
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10:24<kapil>AJM: have you got xprint running?
10:25<AJM>I hadn't, but I installed it this morning. Does the x server need to be restarted for that to work?
10:25<Heston>kapil, yeah, I've used ussp-push in the past just fine. the great thing about obex-data-server is that its both server and client, but the real thing I love about it as being dbus means I'll be able to easily call it from another lanuage like python or somthing like that
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10:26<kapil>Heston: sorry don't know anything about dbus. i just use ussp-push and obex-pushd as appropriate.
10:27<kapil>AJM: check that your "env" output contains something like "XPSERVERLIST=..."
10:28<AJM>OK, it doesn't
10:28<Heston>thats ok kapil, I knew it would be a bit of a long shot. I've contacted the guys working on the package so hopefully they'll give me some good news
10:29<kapil>AJM: so you run "ps ax | grep Xprt" and put the ":nnn" entry at the end as the value of XPSERVERLIST.
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10:30<kapil>AJM: don't forget to export XPSERVERLIST. then start firefox from the same command line.
10:30<AJM> :64 sound right?
10:30<kapil>AJM: that's the value I have here too.
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10:31<AJM>so - does that value stay the same over reboots, different displays etc?
10:31<kapil>AJM: your X startup scripts should handle that part.
10:32<AJM>OK - so probably if I restart X things might just start working?
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10:32<kapil>AJM: somewhere in /etc/X11/Xsession.d or tereabouts.
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10:32<kapil>AJM: I suppose so.
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10:32<AJM>OK - thanks, that gives me something to investigate
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10:33<gulu>i am having an installation problem
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10:33<AJM>I can't restart X for a few hours yet, so I'll have to leave it for now. Thanks for your help so far, anyway
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10:34<witte>gulu: please elaborate
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10:34<gulu>it does not detect my NIC card
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10:35<witte>gulu: do you have a very recent pc?
10:35<gulu>which is RTL8139D
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10:35<gulu>this is celeron 500 mhz, and motherboard needs expansion card for ethernet
10:36<gulu>about 8 yrs old pc, earlier windows worked fine , but now i dont want to use windows
10:36<DeepDayze>what is the make of the card?
10:37<amphi>gulu: 8139too module should work with that
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10:37<gulu>this is RTL8139D (Realtek)
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10:37<DeepDayze>gulu: try that module
10:37<gulu>8139too still does not detect my card
10:37<witte>gulu: ok, that card should work well with linux
10:38<witte>gulu: go to a console (ctrl-alt-f2) and modprobe 8139too as amphi told
10:38<gulu>actually when i tried the card on a newer computer , i came to know it is of Huangzhou Silan company and not realtek proper
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10:38<gulu>ok , i will try that
10:39<amphi>gulu: after modprobing 8139too, ifconfig -a doesn't show the iface?
10:39<gulu>actually i am not much familiar with command line
10:39<AJM>looks pertinent
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10:42<witte>gulu: AJM is right
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10:43<witte>gulu: the card is new i asume?
10:43<gulu>no, the card is about 4 yrs old
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10:43<witte>in any case, you should try a newer kernel
10:43<witte>!tell gulu about etch 2.6.23
10:44<gulu>the cd i hav is of Debian -"etch" 4.0 R2
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10:45<witte>gulu: yes, but the etch kernel (and hence drivers) is quite old, and the link i posted has the same basic system, only a newer kernel
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10:47<sd88g93>anyone know anything about X11 ?
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10:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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10:48<sd88g93>I have somesoftware I want to compile. and it needs to reference the X11 lib64 files
10:48<sd88g93>but its not finding the lib64 files
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10:49<gulu>i tried the ifconfig-a after modprobe 8139too , and it seems to be ok
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10:50<sd88g93>I created a soft link in the /usr/X11R6 folder that references the lib64 folder
10:50<sd88g93>because it wasnt there before
10:50<kapil>sd88g93: are you on a 64-bit machine?
10:51<sd88g93>yes, amd64
10:51<witte>gulu: ah, ok, so you can retry to search for the network
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10:52<witte>gulu: is that with the old etch or with the other one
10:52<sd88g93>all the compiler errors that i am getting, are related to the X11 display stuff, like cannot find symbol sort of stuff
10:52<sd88g93>i'm on debian etch
10:52<kapil>sd88g93: have you installed "libx11-dev"?
10:52<gulu>witte: i downloaded the latest debian 4.o, i think
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10:53<Woet`>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:53<Woet`> libcurl3: Depends: ca-certificates but it is not installable
10:54<Woet`>E: Package ca-certificates has no installation candidate
10:54<witte>gulu: I referenced to the link i've sent earlier, but nevermind, it was just that is was curious
10:54<Woet`>what to do?
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10:54<sd88g93>no, no libx11-dev , let me check my package manager
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10:55<kapil>sd88g93: you need to install at least "build-essential" and "libx11-dev" to do development with X
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10:55<sd88g93>yeah, just checked on my package manager, i have libx11-data , but no dev package
10:56<sd88g93>what is "build-essential" mean ?
10:56<kapil>sd88g93: it is a package that installs stuff that is essential for building.
10:56<sd88g93>oh ok, no wonder it wouldnt compile
10:57<sd88g93>i'll put it on right now
10:57<kapil>Woet: apt-cache search ca-certificates
10:57<kapil>sd88g93: you also need libx11-dev
10:57<Woet>kapil: nothing
10:57<kapil>sd88g93: you might need other stuff too eventually.
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10:58<kapil>Woet: what are the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list?
10:58<sd88g93>i'm using an image processing library that depends on x11
10:58<Woet>err, only
10:58<gulu>witte: the CD which came with the NIC , has drivers for SCO Unix and Unixware7, i presume they wont work??
10:58<Woet>what should i add?
10:59<kapil>sd88g93: the source for that would explain what it needs. install the "-dev" versions of all the libraries mentioned by the readme that came with the source for the library.
10:59<Woet>php5-curl: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-8+etch7) but 5.2.0-8+etch10 is to be installed
10:59<Woet>getting that now
10:59<kapil>Woet: you need debian package sources.
10:59<sd88g93>there's a libx11-6-dbg package too
11:00<kapil>!tell Woet about sources
11:00<gulu>witte: i had earlier downloaded driver of that Silan company, i have the sc92031.c , Makefile, and Readme files , but i dont know how to properly compile them
11:00<kapil>sd88g93: for the time being assume you won't need the -dbg packages ;-)
11:00<gulu>can u advise
11:00<sd88g93>hahhaha, yeah hopefully
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11:02<kapil>gulu: since your card is working with 8139too why do you want the Silan company driver?
11:02<sd88g93>Generally speaking, where do the dev versions of packages get installed ? in the /lib folder ?
11:02<gulu>kapil: while installing my card is not detected
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11:03<amphi>gulu: SCO? heh
11:03<kapil>sd88g93: usually in the same directory as the original lib. the extension is different.
11:04<kapil>sd88g93: there are also header files etc. in the -dev packages.
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11:04<witte>gulu: but if you have it in ifconfig -a, it works, and you can proceed with the installation?
11:05<kapil>gulu: but you managed to install it using modprobe. at the end of your install the installer will add this module to /etc/modules on your system or you can do it yourself by hand. after that the card will work after each boot.
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11:06<gulu>witte: ifconfig is telling me that it did a loopback, but the icon on Desktop top panel says "No Network Connection"
11:07<sd88g93>there's a lib folder in the /usr/X11 direcotry, but i notice its only for fonts
11:07<witte>gulu: so you do not have a eth0 interface?
11:07<gulu>witte: no
11:08<gulu>witte: because i was able to install only when i chose "no network card" in the installer
11:09<kapil>sd88g93: the X libraries are in /usr/lib (since etch I think).
11:09<witte>gulu: and did you complete the installation? if you are already in a desktop
11:09<witte>gulu: ok, i was under the impression that you were still in the installer
11:09<witte>gulu: can you upload the output of lspci to a pastebin
11:09<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
11:09<kapil>witte, gulu: so was i ;-)
11:10<sd88g93>kapil: that package i just installed didnt install any extensions. I need the Xrandr.h extension file
11:10<gulu>witte: actually the google groups link given by amphi describes the problem perfectly, it is not a Realtek card, the sticker is fake, it is a Silan card nicknamed Rsl8139d
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11:11<kapil>sd88g93: you need libxrandr-dev. i told you you might need more -dev packages :-S
11:11<witte>gulu: so you need a newer kernel
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11:12<witte>preferably one later than 2.6.23
11:12<witte>sorry, 2.6.21
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11:12<gulu>witte: i tried lspci and it clearly says that Ethernet controller is of Hangzhou Silan
11:12<kapil>!tell sd88g93 about apt-file
11:12<n3kr0>hi, i need some help, i need to make a boot cd with files copied from a diskette, any idea?
11:12<kapil>!tell sd88g93 about auto-apt
11:13<kapil>sd88g93: the point is that you will probably need a number of "devel" packages to build something like an image library and "apt-file" or "auto-apt" can help.
11:13<witte>gulu: I am not sure if you can simply download a new kernel deb from backports and put it on an etch pc :-/ (concerning dependencies)
11:14<Woet>How to synchronize time with Timeservers again?!
11:15<dpkg>somebody said ntp was the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See or for more information.
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11:16<gulu>witte: can u tell me how to compile sc92031.c to sc92031.o
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11:17<gulu>witte: the Silan readme.txt files has other details , but this step it skips, assuming the user would know
11:17<sd88g93>looks like its compiling
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11:18<sd88g93>i had to install 3 dev packages: libx11, libxranr and libxrender
11:18<kapil>gulu: that is probably in the instructions that came with the Silan driver. in addition you need "linux-headers" package that is appropriated for your kernel.
11:18<Woet>How to synchronize time with Timeservers again?!
11:18<kapil>Woet: install "ntp" or "chrony"
11:19<Woet>and then?
11:19<witte>gulu: you could try to download, put it on usb stick and install it
11:19<witte>no guarantees
11:20<kapil>Woet: with "chrony" you probably do not need to do anything. with "ntp" you should probably also install "ntpdate" to setup your time correctly the first time.
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11:20<Woet>doesnt work.
11:21<Woet>how does it know my timezone?
11:21<kapil>IIRC "chrony" asks you whether it should "fix" your time the first time it installs.
11:21<kapil>Woet: because you ran "tzconfig"... or didn't you?
11:21<Woet>i asked what to do after that, you didnt mention tzconfig
11:21<kapil>Woet: you have a file called /etc/localtime?
11:22<Woet>its fixed
11:22<Woet>thank you
11:22<kapil>Woet: tzconfig is usually run at install time!
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11:22<Woet>oh, it isnt here
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11:22<sd88g93>well, good news, its seems like its compiling, its abig build so it'll take awhile, but i already have some executables !
11:23<kapil>sd88g93: good show. now to hope that the executables actually do what you want :D
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11:25<sd88g93>where can i find more information about how the file structure is layed out ? specifically, the library folders and the header files ?
11:26<sd88g93>i mean, what are the rules for where to put the header files and library files for different packages ?
11:26<gulu>witte: i have done the download , now i will try to transfer on Debian computer
11:26<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*)
11:26<kapil>sd88g93: ^^
11:26<witte>gulu: you do have an intel 386 architecture, right :-)
11:27<gulu>witte: yes
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11:27<kapil>sd88g93: the basic rule that i follow is. stuff that is not installed by .deb's goes into /usr/local or /opt.
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11:28<kapil>!tell sd88g93 about stow
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11:28<kapil>stow will help you to keep /usr/local/ and /opt in a nice clean way.
11:29<sd88g93>kapil: thanks, i've never fully understood the fhs, i'll be sure to read those,
11:30<kapil>sd88g93: if you install files inside the wrong locations without dpkg knowing about it then it will cause grief later.
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11:31<kapil>sd88g93: eventually ... you can learn about dpkg-divert which can help when you *must* use a /usr/bin location.
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11:32<kapil>eh? lo!
11:32<padski>kapil, but then that's *two* package managers ;-)
11:32<sd88g93>interesting, because i had some problems installing eclipse onto the /usr directory space; i did the package install, but when i wanted to do updates within eclipse itself, there was a problem, so had to install it outside of debian package management
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11:33<kapil>padski: didn't get it ...
11:33<juaco>sorry, testing
11:34<sd88g93>ive always tried to use synaptic package manager for installing everything, but when installing stuff manually, i always just winged it
11:35<chrisc>I have two machines both running Lenny, both with a very basic system installed (~150 pkgs). I want to apt-get install kde on both of them. One says fine, that'll be 545 packages. The other says "depends on kdewebdev but it is not going to be installed". The first system *is* going to install kdewebdev. Does anyone have any idea why the two systems might be behaving differently? Both are...
11:35<chrisc>...using the same mirror!
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11:36<padski>chrisc, what does each one say about installing just that one package
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11:37<chrisc>padski: first machine says it will install kdewebdev along with 68 dependent pkgs. 2nd machine says it won't because it has unmet deps (quanta and kommander).
11:37<craigevil>kde installs a ton of packages, try installing kde-base then installing the packages you need
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11:37<padski>chrisc, have they both been updated at about the same time. take a look at what apt-policy says.
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11:38<spiroo>uhm, quite in a trouble here, wondering how do I connect to kubuntu/kde4 channel?
11:38<chrisc>Yes, both updated minutes ago. Sorry to be dim, what is apt-policy?
11:38<kapil>sd88g93: apt-get install debian-reference.
11:38<chrisc>craigevil: thanks v m, that's a useful workaround.
11:39<padski>chrisc, sorry, apt-cache policy
11:39<spiroo>or maybe someone could help. I would like to know, if I can install KDE3 inside KDE4?
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11:40<padski>spiroo, where did you get kde4 ?
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11:40<spiroo>padski: on
11:41<spiroo>I do not recommend it for now though. Wait for KDE 4.1
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11:41<craigevil>better yet wait a yr or 2 until kde4 actually works
11:45<chrisc>padski: apt-cache policy gives same output on both machines (one stanza for security.d.o, three for lenny main/non-free/contrib)
11:45<padski>chrisc, and they are the same arch ?
11:46<chrisc>Yes, both i386 (though one is an AthlonXP and one is a Core2Duo)
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11:49<sd88g93>kapil: thanks a bunch
11:49<sd88g93>i have to go now, this compile is taking up all my resources
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11:50<padski>chrisc, so what does it say for quanta ?
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11:51<gulu>witte: i installed the new kernel package, rebooted, still "No Network Connection"
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11:51<chrisc>padski: quanta depends on kommander which deps on gettext which deps on libgomp1 which deps on gcc-4.3-base and there we have our answer: the two machines differ there.
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11:52<gulu>witte: i think i will try out something else tomorrow, thanks pal, thanks for your help
11:52<chrisc>Both have gcc-4.3-base version 4.3-20080116-1, but the 2nd machine is trying to install 4.3-20080202-1 which is causing the problem
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11:53<chrisc>(On the first machine, it says that 4.3-20080116 is already the newest version!)
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11:54<gulu>amphi: thanks
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11:56<chrisc>In fact, both machines say that 4.3-20080116 is already the newest version, but for some reason one can still install KDE over it and the other one can't because of some mythical upgrade to 20080202-1 (which it won't actually do with apt-get install gcc-4.3-base!)
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11:58<satyva>please help me with select software for video-server
11:58<vikki_r>satyva: which card do you have?
11:58<padski>chrisc, apt-cache policy gcc-4.3-base
11:58<bcochofel>Hi, can I do a hard link to a diff partition?
11:59<vikki_r>satyva: yeah
11:59<bcochofel>I need to redirect what's being written on a file to another, all the time. But something that will be always available
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12:00<satyva>4Gb DDR
12:00<chrisc>padski: my bad, they are not the same. The AthlonXP has 20080116-1 but somehow the laptop has 20080202-1 installed, despite only seeing 20080116-1 in the archive!
12:00<chrisc>(and for some reason having 20080202 installed breaks the upward dep for libgomp1)
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12:01<padski>chrisc, perhaps see /var/log/dpkg.log
12:01<vikki_r>satyva: check the nvidia servers
12:02<vikki_r>satyva: i think you also need the new nvidia drivers?
12:03<satyva>I need good software
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12:03<satyva>for transporting video in multicast mode
12:04<satyva><vikki_r>can you speak russian?
12:04<chrisc>padski: I think what happened is that the laptop installed 20080202-1 yesterday from a different mirror, and my local mirror hasn't updated to it yet. Is there a way of rolling back a package to a previous version which is available?
12:05<chrisc>(I know I could just change mirrors, but don't really want to do that)
12:05<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
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12:05<chrisc>Ok thanks all, will try to downgrade somehow
12:06<padski>chrisc, if its just one or two non-essential packags then it shouldn't be too hard :-)
12:06<chrisc>Exactly - if I can downgrade this one package, it should then all work (famous last words)
12:06<DeepDayze>of course if the dependencies remain the same
12:07<DeepDayze>otherwise the deps may have to be downgraded too
12:07<DeepDayze>can be a real mess downgrading packages
12:07<padski>chrisc, it wants to uninstall apt if I try to remove gcc-4.1-base (etch) :-)
12:07<DeepDayze>one idea is to try to remove the package first
12:08<chrisc>Yeah, me too - it wants to uninstall 174 packages, which is basically all of them.
12:08<DeepDayze>and that may remove the deps
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12:08<DeepDayze>it does get hairy trying to downgrade
12:08<padski>or perhaps even use apt-get --reinstall
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12:09<DeepDayze>if someone else had a similar issue, perhaps there might be some solution
12:09<padski>chrisc, see what it says about a --reinstall
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12:14<DeepDayze>that might work too.
12:15<padski>it sounds promissing doesn't it ? but I've no idea whether it will work ...
12:15<chrisc>--reinstall tries to reinstall 20080202, which is not available. I successfully downgraded gcc-4.3-base using dpkg -i, but now need to downgrade libgcc1 and libstdc++6 also
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12:17<DeepDayze>chrisc: try looking in debian snapshot
12:17<DeepDayze>think 20080202 may be in there
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12:18<DeepDayze>if it complains about deps, just grab the deps it needs and dpkg -i them all
12:18<chrisc>Ok, once I downgraded all three of gcc-4.3-base, libgcc1 and libstdc++6, everything seems to be fine.
12:19<chrisc>I guess the mirror we installed from was a day or two more up to date than the local mirror we're using now. Never mind. Thanks for all the help folks.
12:19<DeepDayze>did that now fix your problem, chrisc ?
12:19<DeepDayze>downgrades can work, if you do it carefully
12:19<DeepDayze>sometimes it may involve searching for a particular package version
12:19<DeepDayze>plus all its deps
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12:20<DeepDayze>i use US mirrors
12:20<DeepDayze>that one's up to date
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12:38<jernej>hej, I have a problem with update, I get this message
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12:41<seanius>that doesn't sound good at all
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12:50<Frolic>anyone here using lenny+gnome? I would like to try glipper package, to see if it have a bug or not.
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13:07<bcochofel>I need to send all that's written to a file to some other file. Can I create a /dev to handle this? How?
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13:09<padski>bcochofel, perhaps symlink or hardlink ??
13:09<bcochofel>padski: files are on diff partitions
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13:10<padski>bcochofel, that rules out hardlinks then :-)
13:10<jojo_>are there debian packages for firefox/iceweasel 3 (ppc) somewhere? Can't seem to find anything in sid or experimental ;(
13:10<bcochofel>padski: I need something to handle this without terminal commands. Something like /dev or kernel
13:11<padski>bcochofel, perhaps if you explain your real problem ?
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13:12<bcochofel>padski: I need to handle two files on diff partitions and whenever a log is written to one I need to update the other in real time
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13:13<bma>bcochofel, incron/something else using inotify?
13:13<bcochofel>padski: that sounds silly, and really it his, but someone ask me about this and I'm trying to solve this
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13:15<padski>bcochofel, yes perhaps c2sync or something inotify based. but it does sound silly :-) mirrored block devices ?
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13:21<vsayikiran>i want to compile a graphics program written in c , please tell me how to do it. i heard gcc does not support graphics library files. i am using debian etch
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13:22<chrisc>Hi all - does anyone know why I have no /dev/agpgart even though the intel-agp and agpgart modules have both loaded successfully?
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13:22<chrisc>(chipset is i945GME)
13:22<dkr>!tell vsayikiran about build-essential
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13:26<vsayikiran>dkr: that didnt help me, basically i wrote a program in c using some graphics functions, so which compiler i should use to compile it
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13:27<dkr>vsayikiran: gcc
13:27<dpkg>the GNU Compiler Collection. see or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian
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13:28<dkr>"i heard gcc does not support graphics library files." is absurd nonsense
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13:29<jernej>has anyone come across this message Segmentation faultsts... 97%; I get this when I want to install update in terminal
13:30<vsayikiran>dkr: so please tell me how to compile a c graphics program, does it need any extra libraries. well i saw that /usr/include folder does not contain graphics.h file
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13:31<Aleric>vsayikiran: You're looking for the file graphics.h?
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13:31<witte>jernej: remove the *.bin files in /var/cache/apt/ and update and upgrade again
13:31<dkr>vsayikiran: you need to install the libfoo-dev packages if you want the libraries for foo
13:31<vsayikiran>Aleric: yes i am looking for that file
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13:31<dkr>and header files
13:32<Aleric>Have a look here:
13:32<vsayikiran>Aleric: i am used to turbo c compiler in windows , so please give me the directory structure of gcc complier
13:33<Aleric>I'm giving you that url, so that you never have to ask question about finding things again...
13:33<dkr>uhm, gcc is a program, it has no directory structure
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13:34<vsayikiran>dkr: if you have used turbo c compiler in windows then all library, header files,tcc and many other files used to be there inside one directory
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13:35<dkr>vsayikiran: you should read some basic tutorials or books on programming in *nix world
13:36<chrisc>hi all
13:37<vsayikiran>dkr: ok thanks for your advice , but i just wanted to know which folder contains all the header and library files that gcc compiler calls during compilation of a c program
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13:38<dkr>vsayikiran: there are several, and it can be dynamically modified
13:38<jernej>witte: the error comes back after deleting
13:38<dkr>vsayikiran: in debiqn,you need to aptitude install libfoo-dev to get the right header files if you are using a library named foo
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13:39<chrisc>Is /dev/agpgart created when the agpgart kernel module is loaded? Or is it supposed to be created by something else?
13:39<vsayikiran>dkr: ok
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13:41<vsayikiran>dkr; sorry to tell you, i tried this command apt-get install libgcc-dev
13:41<dkr>vsayikiran: gcc is not a library
13:41<dkr>vsayikiran: you really need to reqd some basic tutorials so you know the correct terminology and the basics of compilong software
13:41<witte>jernej: mmm, ok, in that case I don't know
13:41<dkr>vsayikiran: i can't teach you how to be a programmer in a few lines here
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13:42<witte>jernej: the error seems to reported quite a lot on google, but it except for removing the .bin files, i did not yet see any solutions
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13:43<jernej>ok tnx
13:43<vsayikiran>dkr: thats ok but atleast you can tell me which packages are needed to compile c and graphics c programs, so that i can download them and i will start using them
13:44<dkr>that's what I did first!
13:44<avtobiff>vsayikiran, build-essentials
13:44<dkr>!tell vsayikiran about build-essential
13:44<dkr>that will get you gcc and all the compiling linking tools
13:44<avtobiff>vsayikiran, iirc it's just to apt-get install build-essential
13:44<dkr>theyou also need to:
13:44<dkr>vsayikiran: in debiqn,you need to aptitude install libfoo-dev to get the right header files if you are using a library named foo
13:44<dkr>I can't make it any clearer than that
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13:53<vsayikiran>dkr: after searching i got these packages. "libgraphicsmagick1 - format-independent image processing - C shared library", "libgraphicsmagick1-dev - format-independent image processing - C development files"
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13:54<vsayikiran>dkr: build-essential is meant for developing debian .deb packages, well i am not developing any debian package, its just a simple c graphics program
13:55<vsayikiran>dkr: thanks for above link
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13:57<dkr>vsayikiran: that is incorrect
13:57<dkr>I see that the factoid can be qlittle misleading
13:57<dkr>all build-essential is is a shortcut for installing the compile and linker software you need to compile *any* software
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14:08<vsayikiran>dkr: ok , but i have written a graphics program in C which draws a analog clock by taking system time and date. now what you have to save. if you want to have look at my program visit this link i am not a good programmer so it may not be an efficient one.
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14:16<NCommander>Are there any DD's within the Rochester, Syrcuse, or Buffalo areas?
14:19<ben1597>pardon my asking: 'DD' stands for 'Debian Developer' ?
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14:20<NCommander>witte: I'm trying to find a DD who can possibly sign my GPG key
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14:21<witte>NCommander: maybe you could ask at #debian-dev
14:21<NCommander>witte: The room is kinda empty :-/
14:21<alaya>vsayikiran: where is conio.h ?
14:22<alaya>vsayikiran: from some M$ c library?
14:22<vsayikiran>alaya: i wrote this program in tcc , turbo c++
14:22<NCommander>alaya: I think its generic Win32
14:22<witte>NCommander: ok, in that case i don't know :-). I'm not a dd, and I am not from the US, so I can't help ;-)
14:22<vsayikiran>alaya: yes it was written for windows, now i want convert this to run on linux
14:23<NCommander>vsayikiran: Your best bet is winelib, but that can be a nightmare to get working
14:23*NCommander has never gotten a C++ program to successfully build against it
14:23<alaya>yep, libwine-dev has it
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14:24<vsayikiran>NCommander: but i dont those winelib, but i want to rewrite this program in such a manner that it will run in linux
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14:24<witte>alaya: apt-file search conio.h
14:24<NCommander>vsayikiran: It can be painful
14:24<vsayikiran>NCommander: i just want to use the availabe library files in debian
14:24<NCommander>vsayikiran: conio.h is win32 specifc
14:25<NCommander>MSDN is going to be your best friend for this
14:25<alaya>google: port gcc conio.h
14:25<vsayikiran>NCommander: no probs i dont want to use those windows specific header i want to replace those with linux header file
14:25<NCommander>vsayikiran: Have you ever ported a program between Linux and Win32
14:26<vsayikiran>NCommander: no
14:26<NCommander>vsayikiran: It's pretty rare when you get a 1-1 match for functions in a header
14:26<NCommander>And I find a lot of win32 libraries tend to use non ANSI/POSIX C functions so you need to either convert them or roll your own
14:26<vsayikiran>NCommander: isnt it possible to re-write this program in linux
14:26<NCommander>Hopefully your library isn't too crazy :-)
14:27<NCommander>vsayikiran: It is, but you really need to know quite a bit of C/C++ programming
14:27<vsayikiran>NCommander: i have basic idea, may be elementary
14:28<vsayikiran>NCommander: if you have any idea then please help me out.
14:28<NCommander>What library
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14:28<vsayikiran>NCommander: intially it may be difficult but i will learn slowly
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14:39<vsayikiran>NCommander: are you there
14:40<NCommander>I'm there
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14:53<ixa>hola soy ixa
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14:54<nena>como estas
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14:55<bod15feb08>hola soy plagoso. Como estais
14:55<nena>hola nenes que tal
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14:55<orte>hola clase
14:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:56<bod15feb08>Saludos a cuchirritin
14:56<cuchifritin>hola. no hemos podido mandar los textos a la carmen .
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14:57<nena>como estan chavales
14:57<lsdd>hola amigos
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14:57<bod15feb08>Para todos que tengais un buen fin de semana
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14:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:58<dkr>I hope so
14:58<lsdd>vero tengo ambre
14:58<cuchifritin>por hoy ya estamos terminando la clase de informatica. Hasta el viernes, cuchifritin.
14:58<bod15feb08>Necesito speak in English
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14:59<nena>hola mari estas sola que pena
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14:59<bod15feb08>How are you'
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14:59<lsdd>y tu tambien vero
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15:01<xemacs>!ops lsdd and not speaking english after being asked twice
15:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xemacs complains about: lsdd and not speaking english after being asked twice
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15:02<Myon>xemacs: they left
15:02<xemacs>oh well
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15:15<posix>In Lenny, how do you add a ttf font for use in Konsole?
15:16<posix>I've read that you should copy the font into ~/.fonts, run "fc-cache -f -v ~/.fonts", and restart X, but this does nothing for me
15:17<posix>as well, I have the font installed in KDE's control center, and its still not available in Konsole
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15:26<bma>posix, is it just konsole it's unavailable in, or everything?
15:27<posix>konsole is about the only app I use
15:27<posix>if you have one in mind, I can take a look
15:27<bma>Any KDE app.
15:27<posix>it would seem konsole doesn't use the same facility to load fonts as kde control center or .fonts, but I dunno much about it..
15:28<bma>Is it a fixed-width font?
15:28<posix>the font *does* show up in Kivio
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15:29<bma>If it wasn't fixed-width, I'd guess that Konsole wasn't listing it for that reason.
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15:30<posix>I mean.. maybe it isn't..
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15:30<posix>how would I test if it is?
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15:32<posix>it *looks* perfectly fixed
15:32<posix>in control center's font installer..
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15:35<posix>in related news, apparently KDE4's Konsole will support non-fixed-width fonts
15:37<posix>for now... maybe I can repair this font to make it register as fixed-width? or force Konsole to believe it is?
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15:37<bma>I assume you can, but I'd have no idea how.
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15:39<posix>better yet
15:39<posix>if you know of a FOSS alternative to Monaco, lemme know!
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16:19<iositd>woah ... it's silent o.O
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16:20<iositd>hehehe right :p
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16:24*DeepDayze can hear a pin drop
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16:25<craigevil>DeepDayze: thats because most ppl hang on #debian on freenode
16:25*iositd lets a pencil fall
16:26<DeepDayze>i see, craigevil...that room's where the real debian people must hang out in
16:26<ilovemyself>Hi, I couldn't install Debian. It probably doesn't work with my hardware. It says there is no eth card but this isn't true. My ethernet card is identified as e1000e module or Intel 1000 PRO Gigabit Network. Any ideas?
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16:27<Torsten_W>ilovemyself: i think, you need a newer kernel
16:27<ilovemyself>I also tried to install an iso from but it didn't work.
16:27<craigevil>did you try the netinstall?
16:27<ilovemyself>No, I didn't.
16:28<ilovemyself>Are sure it works with new hardware?
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16:28<ilovemyself>Are you sure*
16:28<craigevil>not clue i run sid
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16:30<blueice>anyone using Evolution with Exchange?
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16:31<craigevil>ilovemyself: what desktop are you wanting to use?
16:31<ilovemyself>Oops, sorry. GNOME. :)
16:32<craigevil>eeek im a kde fan never used gnome or stable
16:32<proket>kde fan :) cool
16:33<DeepDayze>kde's the shiznit :)
16:33<ilovemyself>I don't mind. KDE or GNOME - it's always ok. :p
16:34<ilovemyself>I use KDE on my Gentoo.
16:34<craigevil>ilovemyself: you could always try the 1 cd that has kde or xfce, both are near the bottom of the download list
16:34<ilovemyself>Yep, but they use an old kernel. :\
16:35<ilovemyself>That kernel doesn't work with my new ethernet card by Intel.
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16:35<AJM>can't you do a basic install and add a more recent kernel & sort out your networking afterwards?
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16:52<posix>In GNU Screen, is it possible to disable wrapping when marking text in copy mode?
16:52<posix>I tried toggling wrapping with C-a C-r, but it had no effect on marking.
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16:56<ServerSide>can I get the src of a binary with objdump?
16:57<timob>so ive got sarge .... should i try an upgrade to etch or backup and do a clean install?
16:57<ServerSide>upgrade is safe
16:58<timob>the change to default utf-8 charset my complicate things?
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17:05<titus>firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< but is to be installed
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17:11<witte>titus: why don't you just install iceweasel
17:11<dpkg>hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
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17:12<titus>witte: uh damn, why they call their browser on diff platforms :)
17:13<witte>!why iceweasel
17:13<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See or for more information.
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17:14<AJM>on firefox... nobody any other suggestions as to why FF doesn't list the installed CUPS printers?
17:14<titus>wonder if webkit is ported to debian
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17:15<AJM>in Etch, using the latest FF build (
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17:17<witte>AJM: same question for you: why don't you use iceweasel?
17:18<AJM>there were quite a few reasons, really. I just with I could remember what they were now :-)
17:19<AJM>ISTR that iceweasel and/or icedove(?) weren't using existing FF / TB profiles
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17:19<AJM>also, it's a 64bit system and we needed a 32 bit browser with the usual suspects (Adobe reader, flash etc)
17:19<titus>witte: maybe do it hardway and remove the link-package firefox totally :)
17:20<titus>or what ever those packages are called
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17:20<witte>AJM: as far as i know, they are identical, except for logo's etc
17:20<witte>titus: firefox is in non-free
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17:21<AJM>I thought so - but the mail client at least didn't seem to be picking up the existing profiles. That was just the last straw I think
17:21<titus>I mean the referring package links to wrong iceweasel version
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17:21<titus>why having the link at all if no firefox :P
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17:21<AJM>I'm happy enough with using the tarballs isntalled in /opt or /usr/local
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17:21<witte>titus: in sid, the firefox package has iceweasel
17:21<AJM>from every point of view except this one :-(
17:21<witte>firefox - Transition package for iceweasel rename
17:22<titus>yeah which links to wrong version
17:22<AJM>I use the binary tarballs on other distros without this problem... I'm kind of baffled by it really
17:22<witte>titus this shouldn't be
17:22<witte>titus: which debian do you use?
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17:23<titus>just were making some updates/upgrades
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17:23<AJM>witte: is it not also the case that Etch has quite an old version of Iceweasel? 1.x ?
17:23<SchwarzeKrause>Hi, all. I've installed a fresh Debian 4.0 r3 on my laptop and then tried to dist-upgrade to Lenny. At the moment the proccess hung while trying to set up ssl-cert. No error logs, nothing. It just says "setting-up ssl-cert' and stays, although the system itself is still responsive to my actions
17:23<dondelelcaro>AJM: no, it has 2.0
17:24<dondelelcaro>!tell AJM -about pdo
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17:24<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: Do you have working internet?
17:24<silent>I remember there being a way to pipe terminal output to be more managable and browsable... more.. or something
17:24<titus>firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< but is to be installed <-- depency should be upgraded?
17:24<AJM>OK, fair enough. My other main worry was user confusion
17:24<silent>Can some one clue me in?
17:24<titus>if the transition pcakage should exist still
17:24<witte>titus: you should update
17:24<titus>I did
17:25<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Where? On this laptop?
17:25<AJM>users are quite disturbed by silly things like program names changing :-)
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17:25<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: No, on the machine that you are using to IRC :/ Yes of course
17:25<witte>titus: can you post your sources.list on a pastebin
17:25<titus>well nuke the transition names
17:25<titus>if you do the forks :)
17:25<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Yes
17:25<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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17:25<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: How long has it been waiting there?
17:25<silent>Is kde4 in the lenny repos? do I have to backport?
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17:26<dpkg>i guess kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos>
17:26<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: 5 minutes or something like that
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17:26<witte>titus: problem loading page
17:27<titus>mm yeah sec
17:27<witte>oh, unable to connect
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17:27<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: Can you see with "ps --forest -ax" what it is waiting in?
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17:29<titus>witte: now :)
17:29<venger>wanting to set mtu for a dhcp interface via interfaces file and its not working. found link which shows the workaround but describes it as obsolete for sid,etch. What method would be current?
17:29<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: some openssl operation.
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17:31<Branden|Shower>Hi there, I was wondering if there is a way to make a alias to do more then one command?
17:31<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: damn. It doesn't wrap the lines to fit the screen. How do I see the whole input, sorry for such a lame question?
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17:31<witte>titus: is available on that server, both of firefox and iceweasel
17:31<ardoRic>Branden, # alias t='echo 1; echo 2'
17:31<witte>titus: aptitude update
17:32<Branden>Thanks! :D
17:32<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: ps --forest -axww
17:33<silent>anyone here currently or have run kde4 before?
17:33<titus>witte: still it wants < (but sees only .12 is installable)
17:33<ardoRic>now it's my turn: is there any known issue with using apt-proxy and the digital signing of packages/repository metadata ?
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17:33<ardoRic>more specifically, on d-i
17:34<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: openssl req -config /tmp/tmp.OHOdk25636 -new -x509 -days 3650 -nodes -out /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem -keyout /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
17:34<witte>titus: maybe you need to add the security servers
17:34<dpkg>Put "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
17:35<SchwarzeKrause>This is the last process in dist-upgrade branch
17:35<titus>witte: and thats for stable only I guess?
17:35<titus>!testing security
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17:35<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny.
17:35<timob>any ideas on wether upgrading to etch from sarge is a good idea?
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17:36<witte>timob: sarge won't be supported within a few months
17:36<witte>timob: etch is stable now...
17:37<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: If you run as root: strace -p PID-OF-openssl
17:37<titus>witte: same thing with modified security deb
17:37<witte>titus: yeah, sorry, was thinking about etch
17:37<timob>witte: i want to upgrade , but wether i should upgrade or just do a clean install
17:37<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: what do you see? Does it hang? If so, in what system call?
17:37<witte>titus: can you do apt-cache show firefox and upload that to a pastebin
17:37<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security>
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17:38<TeckniX>any apache experts around?
17:38<witte>titus: your package list is not correct
17:38<timob>witte: thanks ... ive been doing some reading ... any experience with this?
17:38<TeckniX>getting a weird error while using AuthType Basic
17:38<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: no, it says that the process was attached and produces cryptic lines)
17:39<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: So, there is scrolling output?
17:39<witte>titus i looked at my lenny box, and it has more versions
17:39<witte>timob: a long time ago :-)
17:39<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Yes
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17:39<silent>ok... so far kde4 is very impressive
17:39<TeckniX>titus- access to / failed, reason: verification of user id not configured
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17:40<TeckniX>is this because the mod_auth is missing or something?
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17:41<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: I'd give it time :/ ... it might still time out somewhere. If it really doesn't continue, or if you really don't want to wait longer, try sending it signals (to this same PID). First SIGHUP (ie, kill -SIGHUP PID), if that doesn't help, SIGINT then SIGTERM and if that still doesn't help SIGKILL
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17:41<titus>witte: wait a sec, I refer to testing in my sources.list ... should I refer to "lenny" instead of "testing" nowadays?-)
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17:41<titus>as the security refers to lenny and my old installation refers to testing in security part too
17:42<panagos>since i have quite a lot of packages installed (making my system thrashing), i thought to uninstall some services. would i have any problems if i uninstalled avahi on a computer which is alone in a lan? (apart from the router :D)
17:42<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Except for sigkill, what do the others mean?
17:42<TeckniX>hmm I guess that's it.
17:42<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: 'hang up', 'terminate'
17:42<witte>titus: that should be the same
17:42<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Oh, thanks a lot
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17:43<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: it might terminate more clean - the process will still exit with an error code though that might abort something that you don't want to abort (one of the parent processes)
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17:43<titus>witte: well anyways my debugfest-time runs out, thanks anyways :)
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17:44<witte>titus: maybe try adding an other server on an other moment
17:44<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Oh, I see. Thanks. But that input going actually means, that the process is alive,right?
17:44<titus>mirror out of the loop wouldn't be first time yeah
17:44<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: s/input/output/g
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17:45<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: yes = personally, I'd wait like 30 minutes in total before I would feel sure that it will not continue. I might become impatient sooner though.
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17:46<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: I understand. Thanks again, I'll wait then)
17:46<Aleric>SchwarzeKrause: While you're waiting you can take it part and turn it inside out ;)
17:46<Aleric>Ie, look at /proc/PID, what filedescriptors are open? What does lsof say etc etc.
17:46<Aleric>Read manual pages
17:46<Aleric>time flies :)
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17:54<SchwarzeKrause>Aleric: Yeah, I've used to be an ArchLinux user. Not extremely experienced, but I've never encountered problems like that. Just Debian seems to have everything needed to support my laptop's hardware so I wanted to check it out. Looks like I gotta read lots of stuff)
17:54<Marupa>I know this is more suited to #mysql, but it's very dead in there...but I'm trying to port some mysql dbs from one server to another, however the source server doesn't boot, but I have access to the entire filesystem. is there any way to port over the data?
17:55<TeckniX>Marupa- you can just copy the /var/lib/mysql files
17:55<TeckniX>best way to do it
17:55<Marupa>TeckniX, it's giving me 'table doesn't exist'.
17:55<TeckniX>what is giving you 'table doesn't exist?
17:56<TeckniX>so u grabbed all the files from /var/lib/mysql and copied them to ur new server's /var/lib/mysql?
17:56<Marupa>TeckniX, Yes.
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17:57<TeckniX>is ur media wiki online?
17:57<TeckniX>can you connect to the db through the commandline?
17:58<Marupa>mysql works, the mediawiki installation worked previously, there's no difference between the versions of mysql on source and est.
17:58<TeckniX>ok - but can u access ur database through the mysql commandline
17:58<TeckniX>ie: mysql -u Wikiadmin -p
17:58<TeckniX>or wuteva the username is?
17:58<Marupa> it's saying table in use.
17:59<TeckniX>what command line are u using?
17:59<Marupa>using phpMyAdmin, actually. some things work, but the wiki doesn't.
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17:59<Branden>Hm. During the netinstall, I selected "Webserver" is there a way to remove the /webserver/ ?
18:00<TeckniX>are you comfortable with command line?
18:00<Marupa>TeckniX, never used it.
18:00<TeckniX>and in phpMyAdmin did you verify that the same MediaWiki user was in the mysql db?
18:00<silent>does anyone know if it's possible to have both kde3.5 and 4.0 installed simultaneously?
18:01<Marupa>TeckniX, I created the users, yes.
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18:02<TeckniX>Marupa- and using phpmyadmin u can browse the MediaWiki DB?
18:02<Marupa>TeckniX, I can get /to/ it, but nearly all of the records are reporting 'in use' and I can't see the record numbers, type, size, collation, or overhead.
18:02<titus>I guess somebody tried to copy the files hot
18:03<titus>mysqldump is the way to go
18:03<Marupa>titus, I can;t.
18:03<titus>and then just mysql < foo.sql
18:03<Marupa>titus, the original installation does not boot.
18:03<TeckniX>Marupa - open up a terminal and go to /var/lib/mysql
18:03<TeckniX>then type the following: myisamchk -e
18:04<TeckniX>it will tell you what tables have errors
18:04<TeckniX>then on those tables do: myisamchk -rq table.myi
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18:04<TeckniX>you can also be lazy and just force a check/repair on all tables
18:04<Marupa>TeckniX, not seeing any errors.
18:04<TeckniX>by doing: myisamchk -rq *.MYI
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18:07<TeckniX>Marupa- if that doesn't do it, you'll have to go in through the command line and execute a repair on the problematic tables
18:07<Marupa>TeckniX, may have to.
18:08<TeckniX>do u have a password set for root on mysql?
18:08<TeckniX>then from the command line type: mysql -u root -p
18:08<TeckniX>then it will prompt you for your password
18:08<TeckniX>type it.. and u'll be a t a mysql prompt
18:08<TeckniX>what is the DB name for MediaWiki?
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18:09<Branden>Hm. During the netinstall, I selected "Webserver" is there a way to remove the /webserver/ ?
18:09<TeckniX>so at the mysql prompt (mysql>) type:use WotGWiki;
18:09<TeckniX>the type: show tables;
18:09<TeckniX>and you should see all tables listed.
18:09<Marupa>Branden, sudo apt-get remove apache2?
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18:10<Branden>Marupa: It says it isn't installed, but, when I go to my ipaddress in a web-browser, it brings me to a page that says "IT WORKS!"
18:11<titus>Branden: it can be also as apache (1.3) or apache-ssl
18:11<Marupa>Branden, what about apache ?
18:11<Branden>A;; uninstalled, and the url of the page is /apache2-default/
18:12<TeckniX>Marupa- where you able to get in through the command line and start checking the tables?
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18:12<titus>Branden: try with apache-ssl
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18:13<Branden>Package apache-ssl is not installed, so not removed
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18:16<titus>Branden: ok I'm out of luck what it can be then in the package-system. You could always start dselect and go to select and then insert /apache and look for 'installed' status
18:16<Marupa>TeckniX, sorry about that. Yes, I can see the tables.
18:17<valdyn>Branden: dpkg -l | grep apache
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18:17<valdyn>Branden: though on etch it should be apache2-common that gets it
18:18<Branden>Ahhh, there we go! Thanks!
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18:24<Marupa>How do I check what processes are using a partition?
18:24<amphi>lsof or fsuser
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18:26<TeckniX>ok then type: check table TABLENAME
18:26<TeckniX>for each table
18:26<TeckniX>it will tell you what's wrong with them
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18:27<Marupa>amphi, not showing anything.
18:27<TeckniX>if one of them shows a bunch of erros, then do: repair table TABLENAME
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18:29<TeckniX>lemme know how it goes
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18:32<Marupa>Will take a while...
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18:34<SchwarzeKrause>I try to run aptitude safe-upgrade and it says that 'this version of aptitude doesn't have super cow powers'. What does it mean?
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18:35<Marupa>SchwarzeKrause, as far as I know, just some useless commands.
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18:36<avu>SchwarzeKrause: aptitude moo
18:36<dkr>This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. is the last line of aptitude --help :)
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18:37<avu>SchwarzeKrause: aptitude -v moo
18:37<avu>SchwarzeKrause: aptitude -vv moo
18:37<avu>SchwarzeKrause: and so forth
18:37<sortadi>is there any linux tool for making a CD label with an image?
18:37<Marupa>sortadi, gimp?
18:37<dkr>SchwarzeKrause: are you trying to do a release upgrade? like sarge to etch?
18:37<sortadi>Marupa, does it have the template ready for it? I'm using gimp right now and don't see anything similar
18:38<Marupa>sortadi, you should be able to find one online, probably.
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18:39<SchwarzeKrause>dkr: Yeah, but etch to lenny
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18:40<Marupa>TeckniX, Works!
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18:40<dkr>!tell SchwarzeKrause about stable->testing
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18:43<Marupa>if copying a directory structure where a secondary drive is mounted inside, is there any way to tell scp to stay on the current drive only, and not go into that mounted drive?
18:44<dkr>Marupa: hrm, you can specify that with tar
18:45<sortadi>what's the correct english name for those CD round labels?
18:45<sortadi>sorry, not native speaker
18:45<Marupa>dkr, don't have enough space to tar it then untar it. have to go 1:1 from source to dest.
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18:46<dkr>Marupa: you can use a tar stream. tar -cf - dir | ssh remote tar xf -
18:46<dkr>with the one filesystem omly arg, forgot what it is
18:47<gsimmons>Marupa: Try rsync's --exclude or -x options, as an alternative to scp.
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18:47<dkr>tar --one-file-system -cpf - dir | ssh remote tar -C /dest/dir -xpf -
18:48<dkr>remote=remote host name
18:49<TeckniX>Marupa- Sweet - glad to hear it worked out!
18:51<Marupa>gsimmons, that should work even if I don't have a daemon running?
18:52<dkr>you can do the rsync over ssh similar to the way I tar'd over ssh above. rsync -e ssh
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18:52<gsimmons>Marupa: Yes, provided rsync is available on the target.
18:52<petemc>rsync will use ssh by default
18:53<dkr>they should have changed it to ssync then :) like rsh -> ssh and rcp -> scp
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18:57<Marupa>gsimmons, does rsync keep permissions/user settings?
18:58<Supaplex>Marupa: if you ask it to
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19:00<Marupa>Supaplex, what options would I want for 'keep everything how it is, just move it to another drive'
19:00<Marupa>I have symlinks and such, too.
19:00<dondelelcaro>petemc: it actually uses rsh by default, which is ssh unless you've (for some insane reason) got rsh as the rsh alternative
19:00<Supaplex>rsync has a zillion flags.
19:01<gsimmons>Marupa: man rsync, see examples. You're probably after the -a option.
19:01<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: it's not that many
19:01<Marupa>gsimmons, I'm trying to move an entire debian install from one drive to another. (I'll have to reinstall grub, but no big)
19:01<petemc>dondelelcaro: i meant the -e ssh is redundant, but ok
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19:02<Supaplex>ok so it's less than a few hundred, but more than ls. :)
19:02<dondelelcaro>petemc: right... I was just commenting on the reason why it can still be called "rsync" ;-)
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19:03<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: yeah, find is pretty much my gold standard for too many options
19:03<petemc>dondelelcaro: ah yes, cheers :)
19:03<panagos>someone help me please! i am trying to run ejabberd, when i run "invoke-rc.d ejabberd start" i get "Starting jabber server: ejabberd.", but if i then run "invoke-rc.d ejabberd stop" i get "Stopping jabber server: ejabberd already stopped."! it seems ejabberd silently doesn't run :|
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19:03<dondelelcaro>(though many times I wish that rsync would adopt the find options as well)
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19:03<gsimmons>!tell Marupa -about cp hd to hd
19:04<Marupa>gsimmons, multiple partitions, different physical locations.
19:04<lackita>quick question, how do I determine which device an external hard drive is connected to
19:05<Marupa>lackita, df is probably easiest, for me at least.
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19:05<dondelelcaro>though I think I do have a bunch of shell scripts that do...
19:05<panagos>lackita: /dev/disk/by-*
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19:06<Marupa>lackita, or do you mean if you are wanting to mount it and haven't yet?
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19:06<lackita>I'm wanting to mount it and haven't yet
19:06<Marupa>panagos, has the solution.
19:06<Marupa>I overuse the tab feature X3
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19:07<bzed>etorix: yes
19:07<bzed>panagos: have a look if some of the ejabberd processes are still running for some reason
19:07<bzed>panagos: if so, kill them
19:07<bzed>panagos: you probably need to configure it properly
19:07<lackita>ok, so sadly I don't see anything that looks like my external hard drive
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19:08<Marupa>gsimmons, so probably I'd want rsync -ax?
19:08<etorix>heh, bzed, ok
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19:10<lackita>so I guess this is a more complicated issue than I thought
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19:11<panagos>the initscripts for ejabberd are very stupid, i'd say! they don't even report a config syntax error! nor in /var/log/ do i see anything
19:11<Supaplex>patches welcome :P~~~
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19:17<panagos>and i don't even know erlang... :/
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19:17<eduardo>ejer: computer reboot only
19:17<eduardo>did you tell me something about 32 bit...?
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19:19<Supaplex>32bits is way too many for a horse.
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19:19<Supaplex>it's called a joke.
19:20<eduardo>i'm sorry, I don't understand very good the joke in english :-S
19:20<eduardo>I was talking wiht ejer about a Ubuntu 7,10 with 4GB...
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19:20<eduardo>I can see 3,5GB only...
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19:21<Supaplex>so you're not using debian? just ubuntu?
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19:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:22<panagos>is there a general way to revert config files in /etc to the default versions in the package?
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19:22<Supaplex>!tell panagos -about confmiss
19:22<Supaplex>just rename your config, and follow that.
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19:26<dondelelcaro>panagos: there's also often a .dpkg-dist or similar if you've upgraded
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19:28<panagos>basically i want to revert to the default config, having messed it up with my changes... :P
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19:29<hazard2>So, I've got a custom deb, that I want to install into my ststem (I know it works)
19:29<dvs>panagos: won't dpkg-reconfigure do that?
19:30<hazard2>but I don't know how to get aptitude/dpkg to install some arbitrary package file (without having it be in a valid repository)
19:30<dondelelcaro>hazard2: dpkg -i foo.deb;
19:30<dondelelcaro>hazard2: man dpkg;
19:31<panagos>i got a "cannot access /etc/.../blabla.conf"
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19:31<hazard2>Thanks :)
19:31<panagos>** ++ error
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19:39<kevin_asdfg>hello, is there a good mplayer channel on this server?
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19:41<gsimmons>kevin_asdfg: Try #mplayer on
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19:41<kevin_asdfg>ok thanks
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20:11<crazyb0y>hello, in which package is located killproc, checkproc, startproc?
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20:12<zk>alguien sabe como respaldar bookmarks en shell
20:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:13<witte>crazyb0y: apt-file search killproc
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20:13<witte>crazyb0y: in initscripts
20:13<crazyb0y>witte: i found it in initscripts
20:13<crazyb0y>and it's installed, but there's no killproc, startproc, checkproc
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20:14<Aleric>witte: initscripts does not contain killproc
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20:14<Aleric>~>dpkg -L initscripts | grep killproc
20:14<dpkg>it has been said that > is redirection of stdout to a file.
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20:16<crazyb0y>i found it in lsb package
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20:18<crazyb0y>i started /etc/init.d/killprocs
20:18<crazyb0y>and my ssh connection died
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20:21<blarson>crazyb0y: What did you expect it to do?
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20:22<crazyb0y>blarson: installing ttyrpld =)
20:22<mat56924>I have a problem with my preseed.cfg, does anyone can try to look at what's wrong:
20:22<mat56924>The problem: it will wipe out the entire disc, but does not re-partition, with the problems has not monitor content paske know it does not find a root file system
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20:25<crazyb0y>blarson: i just want checkproc, startproc, killproc
20:26<blarson>crazyb0y: killproc kills all processes. Only use it when shutting down the system.
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20:27<crazyb0y>blarson: ok, what does checkproc?
20:27<crazyb0y>take a look
20:27<crazyb0y> checkproc "$daemon_bin" && [ $verbose ] && echo " (already running)";
20:27<crazyb0y> startproc -s "$daemon_bin" -s;
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20:28<Aleric>Those are shell functions, not executables or scripts.
20:28<crazyb0y>how can i run them?
20:28<prahal>hi I tried "debconf -freadline -plow myconfigscript.config" but it does not show the questions (and using DEBCONF_DEBUG=developper I see "30 question skipped" how do I manage to get the question showned ?
20:28<Aleric>You need to load the function definitions.
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20:28<crazyb0y>Aleric: how?
20:29<Aleric>Which file contains what you just showed?
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20:29<Aleric>I have no such script in /etc
20:29<crazyb0y>i don't have any scripts about that too
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20:30<Aleric>~>sudo find /etc -type f -exec grep -l startproc {} \;
20:30<dpkg>> is probably redirection of stdout to a file.
20:30<Aleric>dpkg: shut up
20:30<dpkg>No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
20:31<dondelelcaro>you'll find that find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0grep startproc|less is more useful
20:31<crazyb0y>eV:/usr/src/ttyrpld/trunk/etc# find /etc -type f -exec grep -l startproc {} \;
20:31<crazyb0y>no result =(
20:31<Aleric>crazyb0y: If nothing uses it, then why need it?
20:32<crazyb0y>because one tool wants it =(
20:32<Aleric>which tool?
20:32<Aleric>10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 .. time out
20:32<crazyb0y>Aleric: ttyrpld
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20:33<Aleric>That is not a debian package
20:33<crazyb0y>yes i've compiled that
20:34<crazyb0y>and it uses checkproc and startproc
20:34<Aleric>Replace them with what debian uses.
20:34<crazyb0y>is there any package in debian that replace ttyrpld?
20:35<dondelelcaro>!+find ttyrpld
20:35<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
20:35<Aleric>crazyb0y: Oh, I found them
20:35<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ttyrpld' returned no results.
20:35<Aleric>crazyb0y: The functions are in /lib/lsb/init-functions
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20:35<Aleric>So, add 'source /lib/lsb/init-functions' at the top of the scripts that use killproc etc
20:35<crazyb0y>yes i know
20:35<crazyb0y>but how can i run them?
20:36<crazyb0y>i see
20:36<Aleric>. /lib/lsb/init-functions
20:36<Aleric>Note the dot
20:36<crazyb0y>thanks very much
20:38<crazyb0y>Aleric: may i give you a pastebin
20:38<crazyb0y>after i inlcuded this, it still doesn't work
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20:41<creeps>hello again
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20:43<creeps>need some help trying to access a ntfs storage hdd
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20:44<craigevil>!tell creeps about ntfs-3g
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20:47<mat56924>I have a problem with my preseed.cfg, does anyone can try to look at what's wrong:
20:47<mat56924>The problem: it will wipe out the entire disc, but does not re-partition, with the problems has not monitor content paske know it does not find a root file system
20:47<creeps>hmm which version of it?
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20:49<creeps>Stable Source Release 1.2216 or free bsd ?
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20:50<javo>hi. How can i configure kpackage in the way it alerts me when there are new updates?
20:51<javo>i used to use adept_updater, but adept is not more in lenny branch
20:53*Supaplex <3's cups
20:55<alaya>javo: update-notifier ?
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20:57<creeps>hi got a quick q , how do i
20:57<creeps>Make sure you have the basic development tools and the kernel includes
20:57<creeps>the FUSE kernel module
20:57<javo>yes, but i think that is gnu-based, i wanted to know if there's something like that but for kde
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20:58<hazard2>is there any utility I can use to allow users to mount ISO images without needing root? (pmount seems to only work for actual devices, not loopback ones)
20:58<javo>because update-notifier don't tells me the actual version of packages, instead kpackage does
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20:59<alaya>hazard2: other than adding a command alias for mount in sudo, i don't know
20:59<creeps>install dam thing
20:59<hazard2>its not like mounting a readonly image is a secuirty risk :S
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21:00<miksuh>creeps: basic development tools:
21:00<miksuh># apt-get install build-essential
21:01<Supaplex>hazard2: it could be for rockridge
21:01<hazard2>how so?
21:01<creeps>i got this
21:01<Supaplex>hazard2: man fstab, see the user option.
21:01<creeps>Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
21:01<creeps>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
21:01<miksuh>creeps: ofcourse you ned to be root :)
21:01<Supaplex>hazard2: rockridge allows suid executables, custom device permissions and the like.
21:01<creeps>i kno im a noob
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21:02<miksuh>and only one package manager can be in use at a time
21:02<creeps>how do i go root
21:02<hazard2>Oh yea...
21:02<Supaplex>the user option takes care of those issues :)
21:02<miksuh>creeps: give command su in terminal
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21:03<miksuh>then enter root password
21:03<miksuh>yeah, su
21:03<creeps>oops sorted
21:03<hazard2>when I do man fstab, why in the name of god am I just getting the entry about fstab.h?!
21:03<creeps>dam again lol
21:03<miksuh>not in irc :)
21:04<creeps>hmm auth failure
21:04<Supaplex>hazard2: man 5 fstab
21:04<hazard2>that's the one its opening
21:04<hazard2>well, at least it says it reformatting fastab(5)...
21:04<creeps>isit not my password i use
21:05<hazard2>creeps: its the ROOT password, not your user's password
21:05<Supaplex>creeps: were you thinking sudo?
21:05<creeps>right i dont know it
21:05<hazard2>if your machine has sudo, and your account is a sudoer THEN you can use your own password
21:05<miksuh>creeps: if you use gnome, then you can do this too: Applications->Accessories->Root Terminal
21:05<Supaplex>failing that, reset it :)
21:05<alaya>in ubuntu the password for root is the same as the user at install
21:05<miksuh>select that from gnome menu
21:06<Supaplex>alaya: and that's not helpful for debian, because we don't do it that way.
21:06<alaya>i know, i was just explaining why he might have thought that or had a problem
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21:06<creeps>cant find root terminal
21:06<miksuh>creeps: and yeah you need to give root's password, not normal user'n password
21:07<Supaplex>alaya: fair enough :)
21:07<creeps>i havent set any other passwords up
21:07<alaya>creeps: are you using ubuntu?
21:07<Supaplex>creeps: you haven't told us if sudo works for you or not.
21:07<miksuh>you did when you installed debian
21:07<creeps>yeh 7.10
21:07<Supaplex>creeps: /topic
21:08<miksuh>ah ok, ubuntu
21:08<creeps>ye i wondered what this debian was about
21:08<miksuh>creeps: :P
21:08<creeps>me in wrong place?
21:08<hazard2>...Yes, kinda.
21:08<Supaplex>!tell creeps -about ubuntu
21:09<creeps>it put me in here
21:09<Supaplex>'it' ?
21:09<Supaplex>which irc client? I swear I thought they fixed that...
21:09<creeps>well i istalled this app and started it opend this window
21:09<Supaplex>they == ubuntu folks.
21:09<Supaplex>'this app' is too vague
21:10<Supaplex>ahhhh. i'll fix their wagon if they still didn't fix that... thanks for the info
21:10<creeps>well im off thanx anyway fellas
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21:11<Supaplex>now to figure out where the utility knife is.. hummm
21:12<hazard2>or-actually: o.O works better
21:13<Supaplex>I need it to cut out some upc stuff off cardboard boxes (for rebates)
21:14<hazard2>So, any other ideas for mounting ISOs as user? (Since for the life of me I can't find a useful fstab man)
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21:14<hazard2>You again?
21:14<creeps>hmm dam thing is only connecting to here
21:14<Supaplex>hazard2: that guy gives me the creeps
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21:22<Supaplex>supaplex@li:~$ grep user /etc/fstab
21:22<Supaplex>/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
21:22<Supaplex>hazard2: ^^^^
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21:22<George_3>hi all
21:22<George_3>if there is someone who wants to join an adult forum and share adult materials here, here is the address : !!!
21:22<George_3>if there is someone who wants to join an adult forum and share adult materials here, here is the address : !!!
21:22<George_3>if there is someone who wants to join an adult forum and share adult materials here, here is the address : !!!
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21:23<Supaplex>oh, was that a request for 24 hours of apache benchmark testing?
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21:33<matthewpoer>guys - winxp's chkdsk said there was some "free space marked as allocated in the master file table (MFT) bitmap"
21:34<matthewpoer>so my question is, will running chkdsk /f to fix the thing mess with my ext2/3 partition/s?
21:34<Supaplex>not if your partition table is sane
21:34<matthewpoer>how might i verify that (i'd like to not lose my data)
21:35<matthewpoer>(so over-caution will be used)
21:35<matthewpoer>(because data-recovery "experts" are con artists"
21:35<Supaplex>if you're over-cautious, you'll have a backup.
21:35<Supaplex>and this isn't (((lisp)))
21:35<matthewpoer>actually, i do have one :)
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21:35<matthewpoer>(you only make that mistake once)
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21:36<matthewpoer>okay, enough parenthesis
21:36<matthewpoer>anyway, so chkdsk /f won't muck up my other partitions?
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21:37<Supaplex>I don't expect it to
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21:37<matthewpoer>good enough, i suppose
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21:39<matthewpoer>fixking chkdsk will run next time my system restarts. Thakns supaplex
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22:04<GhostlyDeath>WOW! The new Clearlooks is NICE!
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22:05<Andy_J_Australia>Hi ppl, an upgrade has blown away my nvidia settings - How do I reconfigure X?
22:06<Andy_J_Australia>What is the config tool called in debian?
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22:07<Andy_J>Only doco I've found refers to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - this seems to be out of date
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22:08<flypiper>try xserver-xorg
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22:10<Andy_J>That's it! Thank you!
22:11<kapil>Andy_J: look in /etc/X11/ you might find your older settings lurking around with a date stamp.
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22:12<IroN>Hello fellows!
22:12<Andy_J>kapil: the upgrade has blown away the nvidia propriatary drivers, I'm going to give nv another go. Hopefully my card will be supported by now. :-)
22:12<IroN>Sorry for been here...
22:13<IroN>but I'm getting trouble installing Etch on my machine
22:13<IroN>anyone could please help me out ?!
22:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:14<IroN>here it go
22:14<IroN>When I boot from my Debian DVD, it goes and when gets to the line io scheduler cfq registered (default)
22:14<IroN>it crashes
22:14<IroN>and freezes the system
22:15<IroN>thats my deadline
22:15<IroN>any advice about this ?!
22:16<Bushmills>what hardware?
22:17<IroN>I'm running on an ASUS A8N-SLi Premium + AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+
22:17<IroN>and my vga card is a nVidia 6600GT
22:17<Andy_J>rats! nv still doesn't like my setup
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22:19<alephnull>Andy_J: There's no detup required for nv ...
22:19<IroN>do u know any advice about that ?
22:20<IroN>on the boot params I just hit Enter
22:20<IroN>and let it does its job
22:20<IroN>may some parameters could solve this ?!
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22:20<Andy_J>alephnull: unfortunately - X won't start, no device found - in the past, I've overcome this by installing the nvidia proprietary drivers
22:21<IroN>anyone wanna go trough pvt channel ?
22:21<IroN>would be easier
22:21<Bushmills>IroN: on some chipsets I'd try, at the boot prompt, to pass the option biosirq
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22:22<alephnull>Andy_J: Not by using the nvidia installer, I hope.
22:22<flypiper>Andy_J, have you installed xserver-xorg-video-nv?
22:23<flypiper>Andy_J, and nvidia-xconfig??
22:23<Andy_J>alephnull: yes, in the past after months of trial and error, it was found to be the only way :-(
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22:23<Andy_J>flypiper: I'll check to see if they're installed
22:24<IroN><Bushmills> ok, I'll tri that, and the noapic params
22:24<alephnull>Andy_J: Using the nvidia installer is why you are in the mess you are in now. Just use the debian packaged versions (with m-a).
22:24<IroN>that line deals what kind of thing on the boot process ?
22:25<Andy_J>alephnull: I'm sure that is correct, but the debian way was _unable_ to get this hardware running... I'm more than happy to try again
22:25<IroN>this line: io scheduler cfq registered (default)
22:26<Bushmills>Use PCI BIOS calls to get the interrupt routing table. .. Try this option if the kernel is unable to allocate IRQs or discover secondary PCI buses on your motherboard...
22:26<alephnull>Andy_J: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel # If you are member of src
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22:26<IroN>does it have something to do with my Dual Core process ?
22:26<Bushmills>symptom: just hangs during boot
22:26<Bushmills>or "no such and such device"
22:26<alephnull>Andy_J: Uninstall the nvidia-installer first. Manually clean up, if you have to.
22:27<IroN><Bushmills> accept my DCC it will br fast
22:27<Bushmills>you want my paypal id?
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22:27<Andy_J>apt-get reports that the latest versions of xserver-xorg-video-nv and nvidia-xconfig are both installed
22:29<Andy_J>alephnull: I've been looking for the nvidia-installer, but have not been able to find it, it's possible (but unlikely) that it was blown away by the upgrade
22:30<IroN>ok ok
22:30<IroN>any advice for me ?
22:31<IroN>my Slack works fine, but I would like to go to Debian!
22:31<IroN>not Ubunto
22:31<IroN>just Debian itself!
22:31<alephnull>Andy_J: It's probably left some bits lying around. I have no idea how you would clean up after it.
22:32<IroN>gimme 1 sec of your precious attention
22:32<IroN>plz plz
22:32<Andy_J>alephnull: no dramas, I'm letting it run with the --update option, perhaps it will self-correct
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22:33<IroN>thank you guys
22:33<IroN>I'll try to solve that by myself
22:33<alephnull>Andy_J: The nvidia-installer ? Even assuming that it fixes your problems this time, it'll just be a matter of time before it breaks again.
22:33<Branden>Nite all. I'm off to bed. Everyone have a good morning/night/day (Depending where you live. lol). <3
22:33<alephnull>IroN: What is it that you are asking for ?
22:34<IroN>accept, plz
22:34<alephnull>IroN: Ask in the channel.
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22:34<IroN>thats the following
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22:34<Andy_J>alephnull: true, but having been through the very painfull process of failing to get nv configured and running in the past, it's hard to get motivated to do it again
22:34<alephnull>Andy_J: *shrug* It's your choice.
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22:35<IroN>I'm trying to run my Debian etch installation and when it gets to the line 'io scheduler cfq registered (default)'
22:35<IroN>it just freezes
22:36<alephnull>IroN: I see that Bushmills offered some suggestions. Have you tried them ?
22:36<IroN>I'm using an Asus A8n-Sli Premium with an AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+
22:36<IroN>not yet
22:36<IroN>cause that wasn't that clear for me
22:36<alephnull>IroN: What wasn't clear ?
22:37<IroN>i'll roll back the chat and see his sugg
22:37<IroN>on some chipsets I'd try, at the boot prompt, to pass the option biosirq
22:38<IroN>I need to pass the biosirq param on the boot param
22:38<IroN>is that so ?
22:38<IroN>what about the noapic param
22:38<alephnull>Also as a boot param.
22:38<IroN>may I try them togheter]
22:39<IroN>ok guys
22:39<alephnull>IroN: Try them one by one and then together. So that you know which one fixes the problem.
22:39<IroN>ok Ale
22:39<IroN>i'll do it now...
22:39<IroN>sorry for the incovenience
22:39<alephnull>np. I hope it works.
22:39<IroN>and, may I come back here, if this doenst work ?
22:40<alephnull>Sure. But I have nothing to offer :)
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22:41<IroN>your attention, has just increased my will to get this up and running
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22:42<IroN>you allready helped a looooooooooooooooot
22:42<tony_>How would i go about upgrading etch stable to etch testing
22:42<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:43<Bushmills>tony_: have you been using aptitude, or apt-get and dselect?
22:44<IroN>Going to boot
22:44<IroN>thx guys!
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22:44<tony_>Bushmills: aptitude
22:44<RIVE>tony_, first edit /etc/apt/sources.list you have to change stable for testing or etch for lenny
22:44<alephnull>tony_: Personally, I'd change stable to testing in sources.list, aptitude dist-upgrade and then spend half a day fixing things.
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22:46<GhostlyDeath>heh unrar just got updated
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22:47<Bushmills>alephnull: now you scared him
22:47<estemari>Hello all,
22:48<RIVE>Welcome estemari.
22:48<estemari>I'm writing here because I'm happy :)
22:48<estemari>I tried Debian for the first time during the last week
22:48<alephnull>Bushmills: heh. It's true though. I went from potato to sid and never went back since.
22:48-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
22:48-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by dondelelcaro
22:48<RIVE>Sid to risky for me alephnull.
22:48-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
22:48<estemari>And Now I jhave a xen infrastructure runing FW, Web, Application, DB serveras all layered in separated zones
22:49<estemari>All on debian
22:49<Bushmills>stable to testing is usually not a big deal
22:49<estemari>Everything was up without any pain. :)
22:49<estemari>Debian is a good distro
22:49<estemari>I have less than 150 packages installed
22:49<estemari>And will lean it down further more.
22:49<Bushmills>sid has been quite decent for some time again now.
22:50<RIVE>Congrats estemari, i'm a Debian newbie.
22:50<estemari>I will recomend Debian as a server...
22:50<GhostlyDeath>dondelelcaro: who did you ban?
22:50<alephnull>RIVE: Is that so ? I run x86 and amd64 sid with a weekly dist-upgrade, breakage is rare.
22:50<Bushmills>last year it went through some difficult phases from time to time
22:50<estemari>I have used linux since 1992
22:50<GhostlyDeath>I've used Linux since 2005!
22:50<Bushmills>GhostlyDeath: hello newbie :)
22:50<estemari>And for some reason I had never tried Debian
22:50<alephnull>libc upgrades and abi changes are interesting times though.
22:51<GhostlyDeath>Debian 3.1 was my first and still my first =)
22:51<estemari>But I am sold now
22:51<GhostlyDeath>except I use testing now
22:51<RIVE>I'm using linux since 2001.
22:51<GhostlyDeath>estemari: I have 3929 packages installed!
22:52<Bushmills>I have 27 pencils in my jar
22:52<estemari>I used Slack, Yggdrasil (live distro), Centos, redhat, Suse, Opensuse, Gentoo, Ubuntu, fedora etc...
22:52<RIVE>alephnull, i'm thinking to upgrade mi lap to Sid, maybe this weekend.
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22:52<estemari>Good job, people working on Debian.. Thanks!
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22:54<RIVE>estemari, you right I have to be thankfull for all the hard work.
22:54<estemari>GD that is a lot, do you use it as a workstation or a server?
22:55<estemari>RIVE, True especially in these times where nothing good is for free.... except FREE(as in freedom) software.
22:56<RIVE>How can i knos how many packeges i have installed?
22:56<RIVE>That's right estemari.
22:56<Supaplex>use dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l
22:56<Supaplex>RIVE: ^^^
22:57<Bushmills>Supaplex: won't count packages on hold
22:57<Supaplex>and what about this? dpkg -l | egrep -v '^[pu]n' | wc -l
22:57<RIVE>Thanks Supaplex... the result is 1,525
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22:58<Supaplex>or dpkg -l | cut '-d ' -f 1 | sort | uniq -c
23:00<Bushmills>Supaplex: dpkg --get-selections | wc -l
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23:01<Supaplex>that works.
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23:04<Bushmills>btw, I have dpkg --get-selections > ... in my cron.daily. output gets backupped along with other relevant files. luckily :)
23:04<Bushmills>had a hard disk crash on a server recently - reinstalling packages from that output was very simple ...
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23:05<Bushmills>(I don't backup what can be easily re-obtained anyway)
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23:06<RIVE>Bushmills, have you wrote how you do that in a blog, page or something?
23:07<Bushmills>RIVE, man dpkg.
23:07<Bushmills>look at clear-selections and set-selections
23:08<RIVE>Ok, thanks for the tip Bushmills , will check it.
23:08<Bushmills>after setting, you 'commit" set state with st like dselect, or other installer
23:10<kapil>I also backup the output of "aptitude search '~i!~M'" so that one can keep track of what was automatically installed as well.
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23:10<kapil>^s/automatically/not automatically/
23:11*RIVE taking notes.
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23:14<kapil>by the way it is probably better to do "dpkg --get-selections '*'" so that the packages that you purged (or marked as "do not install") are not re-installed when you invoke "dpkg --set-selections"
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23:16<Clim>4,0r2 is testing right
23:17<kapil>Clim: no. that is "stable" or rather 4.0r3 is the current "stable". "testing" does not get a number.
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23:21<alephnull>common-lisp-controller seems to be broken. aptitude says it is not installable when it seems to be.
23:21<RIVE>Mmmm, 4.0r3 has the kernel security bug fixed?, have to donwnload the 3 dvd isos.
23:21<estemari>So how is Debian as a WS? I have only used it on a server, so far.
23:21<estemari>I have no X on it
23:21<RIVE>estrmari, i have lenny in this desktop and in my lap, both works very fine.
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23:22<estemari>RIVE, what is your laptop?
23:22<RIVE>Desktop is a AMD64 X2 and in the lap has a x386, works great!
23:22<RIVE>estemari, Dell 1520 Core 2 Duo.
23:22<estemari>What WM do you use?
23:23<RIVE>Gnome in both
23:23<estemari>Hmm... I dislike gnome...
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23:23<estemari>But I understand that many people love it
23:23<estemari>and choice IS good :)
23:24<RIVE>Is joust a matter of tastes.
23:24<estemari>That is one of the many advantages of linux
23:24<RIVE>At least we can choose :-)
23:24<estemari>What I find hard in Gnome
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23:24<estemari>maby you can help me...
23:24<estemari>IS focus follows mouse
23:25<estemari>Click doesn't raise
23:25<Clim>Is there somethign up with the Lenny torrent
23:25<estemari>and click mar to raise
23:25<estemari>click bar to raise
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23:25<estemari>Click doesn't raise is an absolute must for me
23:26<Bushmills>focus and raise are separate settings
23:26<RIVE>I never had use focus of windows with the mouse can tell you.
23:26<RIVE>Sorry for my bad english.
23:26<estemari>english is not my easiest language either. ;)
23:27<estemari>RIVE: Are you a sysadmin?
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23:29<RIVE>In my house yes, in my work no, in my work i'm the guy that help users of the coorporate net.
23:29<RIVE>Kind of helping desk.
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23:30<estemari>RISE, do you use Linux at work?
23:31<RIVE>Only one workstation.
23:31<estemari>I had for over 12 years
23:31<estemari>until last year
23:31<RIVE>It has Red Hat 4
23:31<estemari>When I went into consulting, and my client doesn't allow Linux on its network
23:32<estemari>RedHat 4
23:32<RIVE>Thst's sad.
23:32<estemari>You dislike RH4?
23:32<RIVE>No, still linux.
23:32<estemari>I find that Redhat makes a very bad workstation
23:32*ChiasticSlide actually purchased Redhat 6.1... it came in a box
23:32<estemari>Since last year I'm stuck with Windows
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23:33<estemari>THe XP window manager, is a bad and unflexible one, IMHO
23:33<estemari>Like multiple desktop is very hard to achieve
23:33<RIVE>Mmm, thst's my work, :-), but i have 120 computers with VISTA, it's hard.
23:34<estemari>I installed power tools
23:34<ChiasticSlide>yeah, there's no way to send programs to different desktops
23:34<ChiasticSlide>and no pager
23:34<ChiasticSlide>well, not a useful one
23:34<estemari>CS: it is very painfull to work with XP, finally someone who agrees :)
23:35<estemari>When I switch desktop
23:35<estemari>I lose the menus in excel
23:35<estemari>it is risible
23:35<estemari>and these are called the powertools
23:35<estemari>I am not admin on my desktop
23:36<ChiasticSlide>i dont think much resources are allocated to those powertools
23:36<estemari>But windows is supposed to make computer magement better and easier
23:36<estemari>but the only thing it does
23:36<ChiasticSlide>seems like its just stuff that ms people write in their free time
23:36<RIVE>Not always.
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23:36<estemari>is an average half done job, for a desktop
23:37<RIVE>But is my work, have to doit right, so I love Linux but most of my time i'm fixing windows problems :-)
23:37<Supaplex>!break windows
23:37*dpkg tells windows how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list
23:37<estemari>RIVE: It would be a painful life for me
23:37<Supaplex>oh wait. it's ALready busticated. my bad.
23:38<estemari>RIVE: when I was Sysadmin, it was part of my agreement that I did not touch MS products. :)
23:38<estemari>And I was given all latitude I wanted with the OS of my WS
23:38<estemari>I miss Those days
23:39<estemari>AS a consultant, you may not ask for things like this :(
23:39<RIVE>estemari, i know but when i see a oportinity to use free software i recomend it to the users.
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23:40<estemari>I started installing Linux in a large telephone company (Bell canada) in 1996
23:40<RIVE>We have intranet web pages with, joomla, bbforum even a moodle one.
23:41<Clim>is it just me, or are there very few seeds for the i386 lenny dvd torrent
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23:41<estemari>The company was charging a monthly fee for workstation access to the internet
23:42<estemari>Since My boss was boss of a over 50 people group of sysadmin
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23:42<estemari>he paid >50*XX$$*12 /year
23:42<estemari>in internet access
23:42<estemari>When I learned this
23:43<estemari>I took an old compaq server
23:43-!-firefly [] has joined #debian
23:43<estemari>installed linux and mosaic reverse proxy on it
23:43-!-firefly [] has quit []
23:43<estemari>and saved him a boat load of money
23:43<estemari>and he started believing
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23:44<etorix>hmm .. i never had mosaic on linux, only ol' mac
23:44<RIVE>It's easier to "sell" free software in non gubernamental enterprises.
23:45<estemari>After that, I introduced many Free servers in both private and govs.
23:45<RIVE>When you can lower the money for a process it's easier to make a go for the project.
23:45<estemari>When you talk about freedom
23:45<estemari>and read them licenses
23:46<estemari>comparing GPL, artistic, BSD, private...
23:46<estemari>Governments are more easily convinced
23:46<RIVE>I work in a regional departament we depend from a IT central departament that's is married with MS :-(
23:46<estemari>Yeah that sucks
23:46<RIVE>Not in México estemari.
23:46<estemari>You are in Mecico?
23:47<estemari>me gusta la cervesa fria :)
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23:47<estemari>I don't know much
23:47<estemari>but important things :)
23:47<RIVE>I'm drinking coold beer right now, cheers to you estemari! :-)
23:48<estemari>I switched to scoth... a few moments ago
23:48<RIVE>Scothc make me hang over.
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23:49<RIVE>I only drink Corona, Tequila or Vodka :-)
23:49<RIVE>Hi muammar.
23:49<estemari>I'm in Can, in the french speaking province of quebec
23:49<Supaplex>!lart sickness
23:49*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u sickness'
23:49<estemari>Me gusta la tequila
23:50<RIVE>Can = Canada?
23:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
23:50<estemari>pero no megusta la tequila bang bang
23:50<estemari>Merci dpkg
23:50<muammar>hi RIVE how's everything?
23:50<RIVE>Very well muammar, chating with estemari from Canada.
23:51<muammar>RIVE, nice
23:51<estemari>Is it OK to chat like this on this channel?
23:51<estemari>hello muammr
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23:51<dpkg>methinks ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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23:52<RIVE>So have to go #debian-offtopic
23:52<estemari>I was already there :)
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