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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-02-24

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00:44<kapil>bye
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01:32<thyhorror>i've not been here in a while. i don't see anyone ... =(
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01:34<thyhorror>can i still get help here ? or will i not see it anyways ? i see no activity in here.
01:34<Xenguy>!ask
01:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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01:41<thyhorror>I'm on a thinkpad running etch. setting up a pcmcia wireless G card from linksys using ndiswrapper to install the windows driver. i've gotten to "ndiswrapper -l" that says: lsbcmnds driver installed(alternete driver bcm43xx) . problem is now , when i "modprobe ndiswrapper" it tells me : FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. it's not listed in lsmod either =(
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01:42<gsimmons>thyhorror: Does "bcm43xx" appear in your lsmod output?
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01:43<thyhorror>yes, bcm43xx is there.
01:44<gsimmons>thyhorror: You'll need to remove this module, blacklist it, then load the ndiswrapper module. Use "modprobe -r bcm43xx" to remove.
01:44<gsimmons>!tell thyhorror -about blacklist
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01:49<kurumin>ola
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01:49<gilnei>ola gatas
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01:53<thyhorror>I'm still getting the same error after removing bcm43xx . when i load "modprobe ndiswrapper" it says : FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found .
01:53<thyhorror>bcm43xx is not listed in lsmod anymore either
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01:55<gsimmons>thyhorror: Have you built and installed a 'ndiswrapper-modules-*' package for your system, via module-assistant?
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01:58<thyhorror>ouch ! that's over my head. i can't build things here because of the fact i'm not online yet to install the dev and C packs
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01:59<thyhorror>module-assistant is in but i've never used it.
01:59<gsimmons>thyhorror: You'll need to build this kernel module before you can load it with modprobe.
01:59<gsimmons>!ndiswrapper one-liner
01:59<dpkg>ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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02:00<shahid21st>hello everybody!
02:02<shahid21st>I plugged in a benq dvdrom drive ....
02:02<shahid21st>but couldn't install it in debian Etch
02:02<shahid21st>Anybody got success in installing benq dvdrom?
02:05<shahid21st> Anybody got success in installing benq dvdrom?
02:05<chealer>shahid21st: what went wrong?
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02:42<shipusra>Cew_abuabuputih
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02:45<shahid21st><chealer> sorry for the lag! as far as I know .....dvd/cdroms were auto detected by debian ...as happended for my Asus drive ...
02:45<cew_abuabuputih>hiiii
02:45<shahid21st>but its not for benq
02:45<cew_abuabuputih>hiiiiiiiiiii
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02:45<cew_abuabuputih>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
02:46<chealer>shahid21st: you replaced a previous drive with a new one or what?
02:46<shahid21st><chealer> nope ..its a brand new machine
02:46<shahid21st>I installed debian by replacing with another drive - Asus....
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02:47<shahid21st>Then I replaced the Asus with Benq
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02:47<chealer>shahid21st: how is the drive connected to the motherboard?
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02:48<shahid21st><chealer> by the normal IDE cable....
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02:49<shahid21st>my motherboard is the intel one shipped for core 2 duo 2.4 Ghz processor...
02:49<shahid21st>couldn't remember the exact motherboard model, but can find it if necessary
02:49<chealer>shahid21st: what /dev/hd* devices do you have?
02:49<shahid21st>none
02:50<shahid21st>only sda* for my SATA hard drive ...
02:50<chealer>shahid21st: is it a new drive or what?
02:50<shahid21st>yup new drive ...
02:51<chealer>shahid21st: is the drive electrically OK? like you can open it
02:51<shahid21st>yup ....
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02:51<shahid21st>I can open ....insert cd/dvd roms...
02:52<shahid21st>and the LED blinks as well
02:52<chealer>shahid21st: is the drive detected by other operating systems?
02:53<shahid21st>Thats the thing hard to determine ...as I only have Debian Etch ....and usually run windows by vmware ....vmware wouldn't get the DVD drive as the host couldn't detect it...
02:53<chealer>shahid21st: is the drive detected by the BIOS?
02:54<shahid21st>Yup ...
02:54<shahid21st>It shows the manufacturer and model no.
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02:56<chealer>shahid21st: please provide dmesg
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03:05<usser>hello
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03:33<keet>cz server it?
03:34<keet>prosím jaký je český irc kanal pro debian?
03:35<blarson>!cz
03:35<dpkg>well, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
03:35<keet>dpkg: thanx :-)
03:35<dpkg>bitte, keet
03:36<keet>dpkg: ich habe in irc #debian.cz gegeben :-D
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03:37<snorky>hi
03:38<chealer>keet: try on irc.freenode.net
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03:48<shahid21st>chealer: will I provide dmesg here?
03:48<chealer>!tell shahid21st about paste
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03:49<shahid21st>chealer: don't understood
03:49<chealer>shahid21st: did you receive a message from dpkg?
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03:50<shahid21st>nope
03:51<chealer>shahid21st: you should have received a private message from dpkg
03:51<chealer>!paste
03:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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03:52<thyhorror>my thinkpad uses ndiswrapper to install the wireless G driver . I've gotten to the point where I've built and installed a 'ndiswrapper-modules-*' package for my system, via module-assistant. the module loaded but iwconfig shows it as eth0 insted of wlan0 . can someone help me finish this so i can write a report and goto bed ;) the card can see the routers with: iwlist eth0 scanning
03:53<shahid21st>chealer: http://rafb.net/p/bbK51n38.html
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03:56<chealer>shahid21st: it shows some ATA problems, such as "ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x313F"
03:58<kapil>thyhorror: as shakespear said "a wlan0 by any other name will transmit as sweetly"
03:58<kapil>s/spear/speare/
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03:59<kapil>thyhorror: just use eth0 wherever you were planning to use wlan0 and it should work.
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04:02<nuxien>hello
04:03<nuxien>i have a problem with snd-hda-intel module
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04:03<nuxien>on debian with 2.6.21 kernel or older, my sound card detect my 2.1, but on 2.6.22 or newest, my sound card is only 2.0
04:03<nuxien>on ubuntu all kernel, my sound card detect 2.1
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04:03<nuxien>i don't know why
04:03<kapil>!tell nuxien about ubuntu
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04:04<sleepyman>hi, does anyone use compiz, cause I can't find it in ps to kill it, because I was trying to play a video file, and I get no picture, so I was thinking maybe if I shutdown compiz
04:04<cahoot>nuxien: aplay -L doesn't list anything that seems to suit you?
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04:06<nuxien>cahoot, this command return me 8 lins wih suround, but i cannot adjust with alsamixer or with gnome-mixer
04:07<cahoot>nuxien: but that was possible with the ubuntu setup?
04:07<nuxien>yes
04:08<nuxien>i don't understand why i can with ubuntu or debian with 2.6.21 or older kernel but not with debian 2.6.22 or newer
04:08<nuxien>i think, it is on kernel modul
04:08<sleepyman>Is it now, debian installs 2.6.21, or did you upgrade kernel?
04:09<sleepyman>I have problem with video, I get no picture
04:09<nuxien>if i install debian 2.6.21, my sound card run correctly
04:09<nuxien>if i upgrade my debian, i lost suround adjusted
04:09<sleepyman>when I have sound trouble I just run alsaconf, and it works fine
04:09<sleepyman>then I use aumix to adjust sound
04:10<nuxien>if i install debian 2.6.22 or newer, i haven't suround adjust, but with all ubuntu, i can
04:10<cahoot>why aumix?
04:10<sleepyman>dunno, someone here said to use it a while back, now I always use it
04:11<shahid21st>chealer: you guess ATA cable is not properly connected or damaged....
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04:11<nuxien>with aumix, i can adjust my card on oss
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04:13<chealer>shahid21st: maybe. or maybe it'a a problem of Linux 2.6.18 with your IDE controller/motherboard. it's a bit hard to say without trying another distribution or Linux version.
04:14<chealer>shahid21st: ...and without having checked Google.
04:14<chealer>...or another OS
04:14<shahid21st>chealer: I have bought and configured 3 other PC's with same configuration ....let me check dmesg of those
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04:15<sleepyman>How do you turn off compiz, cause I installed it a while back, and I can't remember how I made it start automatically with X
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04:16<chealer>shahid21st: nice. if you don't mind, are you building a cluster?
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04:16<sleepyman>I have problem with video, I don't get error message, and sound is fine, but no video
04:17<shahid21st>chealer: No problem. Nope nothing about cluster, we are just 4 people using 4 pc :-)
04:17<chealer>shahid21st: how much RAM is in each of these PC-s?
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04:19<thyhorror>ifconfig shows my wireless as eth0 ethernet and lo. but no internet ip for eth0. "dhclient eth0" returns (No DHCPOFFERS recieved) . . . I'm sooo close.
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04:20<chealer>thyhorror: is it associated?
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04:20<mrpouet>hi
04:20<sleepyman>ohh maaan, I never got wireless of debian yet
04:20<sleepyman>thyhorror, I thought there was another ifconfig command for wireless, like iwconfig or something
04:21<Staz>sleepyman : there is
04:21<sleepyman>thyhorror, I think that eth0 you are seeing is your ethernet
04:21<thyhorror>iwconfig is used to configure
04:21<sleepyman>Staz, what is it: iwconfig
04:22<nuxien>cahoot, no idea?
04:22<sleepyman>thyhorror, your computer doesn't have ethernet? Only wireless
04:22<thyhorror>year. it's supost to be wlan0 in network/interfaces
04:22<Staz>it allows you to configure wireless interfaces
04:22<shahid21st>4 GB
04:22<Staz>and yes it is called 'iwconfig'
04:22<shahid21st>chealer: 4 GB ..i just noted i should install linux-image-*-bigmem
04:23<thyhorror>you still use ifconfig to bring it all up tho
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04:23<Staz>it's in the 'wireless-tools' package
04:23<shahid21st>chealer: Is that anyway related with the ATA problem?
04:23<cahoot>nuxien: I'd take a look at /etc/asound.conf of the ubuntu install
04:24<thyhorror>'wireless-tools' has iwconfig and iwlist yes
04:24<nuxien>i replaced this file from ubuntu to debian, no resolved my problem
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04:25<chealer>shahid21st: cool. actually 686 supports up to 4 GB, so it must support all the RAM or almost. no, it's not, it's just unusual to build 4 PC with 4 GB of RAM...unless you're doing that for an enterprise.
04:25<chealer>so I was just curious
04:25<sleepyman>man, this is nuts, I have sound but no picture when I try to play video
04:25<sleepyman>do I have to reinstall debian?
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04:26<chealer>sleepyman: uh, why would you have to?
04:26<sleepyman>I think there are some government hackers screwing with me
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04:26<sleepyman>chealer, well, I wanna watch videos
04:27<chealer>sleepyman: there's no video with any player?
04:27<shahid21st>chealer: Actually we do heavy duty J2EE programming on those ...I think 2 GB is enough, but take 4 GB considering the future ...
04:27<sleepyman>chealer, I did apt-get remove --purge mplayer w32codecs, and reinstalling, I hope that works, but I doubt it
04:27<sleepyman>chealer, yep
04:27<chealer>shahid21st: ahah, I see. I did Java worked on a 1 GB PC this summer, it was quite insufficient.
04:28<sleepyman>How come java is so popular, does it run fast, I suspect this virtual machine is slow
04:28<chealer>sleepyman: are you sure that reinstalling would solve?
04:28<sleepyman>chealer, no, I was saying I think it won't work
04:28<chealer>sleepyman: I meant reinstalling Debian?
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04:29<sleepyman>chealer, yeah, if I reinstall debian, its gonna work, like it did the first time installed debian it worked
04:29<chealer>sleepyman: it doesn't work for any user?
04:29<sleepyman>chealer, but that would be a serious pain
04:29<shahid21st>chealer: speically if u use heavy duty IDE and heavy duty app server .....and also want to run vmware time to time ..
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04:29<sleepyman>chealer, hmm, never thought of that, I only everused one user, but it didn't work for root either
04:30<chealer>shahid21st: hehe. yeah, RAM is cheap, 4 GB isn't excessive.
04:30<sleepyman>shahid21st, what the heck are running on 4gb?
04:31<sleepyman>I am just net browser and video watcher, so I have never surpassed 1G,
04:33<shahid21st>sleepyman: say IntelliJ Idea 7 with aorund 250 MB project size, Bea Weblogic, and Win XP on vmware and other usual apps...
04:34<sleepyman>you are running multiple OS's?
04:34<shahid21st>chealer: Do you know about the bigmem efficieney? Will I get better performance if I use the bigmem image?
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04:34<shahid21st>sleepyman: yes ...
04:34<bruce_>hello, i messed up my souse list can ne1 help???
04:34<sleepyman>Did you ever try AS/400, I heard its designed for that
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04:36<chealer>shahid21st: not really. but I guess you can't gain anythin significant. if you lose something with 686, it must be under 100 MB per machine
04:36<sleepyman>Oh I fixed my problem, I changed video driver
04:37<chealer>!tell bruce_ about ne1
04:37<nuxien>cahoot, my sound card is a hda-intel (realteck alc882)
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04:38<shahid21st>sleepyman: AS/400 is just not that cheap I guess...we built cheap clone machine.....
04:38<cahoot>nuxien: yes and that module (snd-hada
04:38<shahid21st>chealer: right u r! 100 MB per machine is not a big deal
04:38<cahoot>nuxien: mistyped - sorry
04:39<sleepyman>shahid21st, I am glad to hear that the Linux project to run multiple os instances is working well. I tried wine, it works for some apps, that was cool too
04:39<nuxien>if i copy all config file on ubuntu and i past on debian, it can run ?
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04:40<cahoot>nuxien: ubuntus /etc/asound.conf file might be worth a try (save debians original as backup though)
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04:41<nuxien>okay, i test that today, thank
04:41<ElNiNo>Hi, could someone assist me with installing some programs in linux?
04:42<ElNiNo>i tried to install beryl in ubuntu and mldonkey, but ./configure gives errors :s
04:42<shahid21st>chealer: I think I get the dvd rom info via lshw .... just the driver is not configured...
04:42<sleepyman>shahid21st, what this IntelliJ Idea 7 and Bea Weblogic?
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04:42<chealer>shahid21st: hum. do you have the ATA errors on the other machines?
04:42<shahid21st>sleepyman: yes, ..with core 2 duo Pc's u get virtualization support from the processor ...
04:43<shahid21st>chealer: yup, smae message on all machines - ATA error
04:43<chealer>!tell ElNiNo about ubuntu
04:43<shahid21st>sleepyman: IntelliJ Idea 7 - java IDE ; Bea Weblogic - J2EE container
04:43<ElNiNo>yeah allright
04:43<sleepyman>shahid21st, did you ever try Qt?
04:44<ElNiNo>i thought installing software was the same on every linux distro
04:44<EDIN>is not the same
04:44<EDIN>every distro has his ovne software :)
04:44<chealer>shahid21st: ah. well, still, if the 4 installs are identical, the driver should be configured the same...maybe you could try swapping the drive with another machine's
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04:45<shahid21st>chealer: hmmm ....that might be a step...
04:45<sleepyman>can you pull a harddrive with linux from one computer into another? If you use a stock kernel?
04:46<shahid21st>sleepyman: I am not sure whether Qt did so good refactoring support for Java as IDEA does....we tried netbeans and eclips ....but does not scale well the with the project size...
04:46<shahid21st>sleepyman: We are just comfortable with IDEA
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04:46<sleepyman>shahid21st, how much do you pay for java license?
04:46<chealer>sleepyman: hotswapping? it depends at least on your Linux version.
04:47<thyhorror>I'm at the point now i can get a list of wireless routers for my pcmcia card in the thinkpad using the windriver and ndiswrapper. but i can't get t to connect to one of them.
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04:47<sleepyman>chealer, I don't think you can do that
04:48<chealer>sleepyman: so what were you asking about?
04:48<sleepyman>chealer, No, I mean, I just don't think it would work, but I never tried
04:48<shahid21st>sleepyman: you mean IDEA license?
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04:49<chealer>sleepyman: you asked a question, and now you're saying the answer is no?
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04:49<sleepyman>shahid21st, no, I mean you wrote some software in java, don't you have to pay license to run those apps?
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04:49<chealer>sleepyman: I think you're too sleepy :-P
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04:49<sleepyman>chealer, yeah, I mean that my opinion, wondering if you would think otherwise
04:50<chealer>sleepyman: well, in reality, it depends on some things, including the Linux version
04:50<sleepyman>chealer, I think probably the cpu would burn up
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04:50<sleepyman>chealer, but then I was think it is stock kernel, so doesn't it do probing at boot up each time?
04:51<chealer>sleepyman: of course...
04:51<sleepyman>so maybe it would work, but I have never heard of someone doing that, ever mentioning it is an option
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04:52<sleepyman>I use my computer for to much dirty videos and masterbation, it is an evil machine for me
04:53<sleepyman>Debian is so advanced and powerful, but all I do is play chess and watch video
04:53<shahid21st>sleepyman: Nope no licensing required...
04:54<shahid21st>Java is free
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04:54<sleepyman>shahid21st, but it says in the java manual, you have to buy license
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04:55<sleepyman>so you just have to buy the compiler, and thats it, I thought once you write code, you have pay license for your software too
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04:55<sleepyman>shahid21st, or do you use gcj?
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04:58<shahid21st>sleepyman: can give me the url of licensing in java manual?
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04:59<sleepyman>no, I studied it a couple years ago, I am pretty sure about it, but I could be wrong
04:59<sleepyman>I read those official Java texts from sun, I am pretty sure it is there
05:00<sleepyman>But I never bought it, I just ran gcj
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05:00<sleepyman>How much is it btw?
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05:02<sleepyman>http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp
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05:05<shahid21st>sleepyman: I guess no license fee required....
05:06<sleepyman>hmm, I am browing their site, I will let you know if I find bad news, so for you, no news is good news
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05:10<shahid21st>sleepyman: :-D
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05:29<thyhorror>will i stll use pppoe to conect to the internet over the wireless pcmcia card ? I"m stuck at seeing the routers with iwlist eth0 scanning. but cant connect to any.
05:31<thyhorror>because the "dhclient eth0" doesn't seem to want to conect of even find anything.
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05:32<chealer>thyhorror: if your router isn't connected to the Internet, yes.
05:33<thyhorror>it is connected. other linux boxes using it. but this one uses a wireless pcmcia card.
05:33<viki>Hi All, Can anybody help me how to set the resolution on a Matrox g550 to a custom value? (widescreen monitor with 1440x960 )
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05:34<zumbi>hello, which is IRC video team channel?
05:35<thyhorror>the fact i can scan and find routers with it tells me i'm now really close to being online.
05:35<thyhorror>but I'm so tied now i'm giving up soon.
05:36<chealer>!drxx vike
05:36<dpkg>vike: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
05:37<Maulkin>zumbi: What's up?
05:37<chealer>!drxx viki
05:37<dpkg>viki: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
05:37<thyhorror>will have to install xp on it for her again :'( and i was so close.
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05:37<@Ganneff>zumbi: #debconf-video if you mean those doing the fosdem streaming
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05:40<zumbi>Ganneff: yes, i'm searching for martin presentation, do you know if it is on the net?
05:40<zumbi>btw, thanks
05:40<@Ganneff>tbms talk is currently streamed
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05:41<_Shade_>hi
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05:58<arman>Hello. i'm having some trouble with changing my keyboard layout in gnome, when I'm trying to change it there's only one layout "Generic keyboard" do I need to install something, so I can get more layouts, thank you
05:58<Gekz>is there such thing as a network manager that doesnt require gnome or kde >_>
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06:04<avtobiff>arman, take a look at setxkbmap instead
06:05<s_i_m>Gekz, i do not use network-manager, but as I see now the network-manager package does not require network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde. It only recommends them.
06:06<Gekz>s_i_m: I said "a network manager" not "network-manager" but I'll look into it :)
06:06<avtobiff>network-manager is some sort of backend daemon while the -gnome/-kde packages are frontendns for selecting available configurations iirc
06:06<avtobiff>network-manager, i recommend it
06:08<Gekz>ok.
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06:08<avtobiff>although i have never used it myself... :D
06:08<Gekz>lool.
06:09<s_i_m>=)
06:09<avtobiff>but i have heard other people recommending it etc
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06:09<avtobiff>bye for now.
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06:12<pilgrim>I want to remove the SA package from an ETCH desktop. I never actually ran it. Will [apt-get -r spamassassin 3.1.7-2] do it?
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06:14<s_i_m>pilgrim, use apt-get purge <name_of_package>
06:15<s_i_m>or aptitude purge
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06:16<s_i_m>or dpkg --purge
06:16<pilgrim>s_i_m; I used apt-get to install it. Will [apt-get purge spamassassin] remove spamd as well?
06:17<s_i_m>yes, it is a part of that package, iirc.
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06:19<pilgrim>s_i_m: thanks. I'll take a boo at the "purge" command just to update my 'wetware'.
06:19<s_i_m>and do not forget that there is "man" command. very useful at times, really ;)
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06:20<Gekz>bah
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06:20<Gekz>so how do I use that gnome applet in xfce
06:20<Gekz>>_>
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06:21<pilgrim>s_i_m; fer sher. I'm still learning the ropes. Some man pages are still a bit of a challenge... but I'm learning.
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06:23<dmobi>hi
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06:24<dmobi>apt source volatile is it ok for stable and secure version?
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06:25<Gekz>http://bbqsrc.net/crap/desktop-feb.png :)
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06:30<s_i_m>dmobi, if you mean will that be okay to use volatile in a production environment, then yes, it is safe enough.
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06:32<jheronimus>Hi, all. Does Debian have a custom repo for KDE with packages split just like Gentoo or ArchLinux's KDEmod?
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06:33<ghosTM55> jheronimus: u mean the the Debian's KDE environment ?
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06:34<jheronimus>ghosTM55: Err... Yes, if I got your question right
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06:36<ghosTM55>jheronimus: my english is poor , i come from China , i don't use KDE under Debian , does it have the kubuntu's KDE package?
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06:38<jheronimus>ghosTM55: Err... I'm really not sure what you mean. Debian has a more pure version of KDE. Kubuntu, for example, has some changes made to ControlCenter and some other parts, too. Debian's KDE are just like they should be according to KDE devteam's will
06:40<ghosTM55>jheronimus: yeah
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06:42<s_i_m>jheronimus, I am afraid that if you want it to be "just like Gentoo or ArchLinux" that will be impossible under Debian ;)
06:42<Gekz>Arch is cool :)
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06:43<ghosTM55>Gekz: i'm using arch now , and installing kde environment :)
06:43<Gekz>ok.
06:43<s_i_m>Some distros rockzz but Debian just works (с) =)
06:43<Gekz>s_i_m: so true
06:43<Gekz>that's why I use Debian :)
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06:52<jheronimus>s_i_m: Well, it's not about adopting some global Arch's or Gentoo's concepts, it's just about I don't want to install a whole packages group in order to get some single program)
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06:54<s_i_m>in this case look into the details on KDE packages, you do not have to install the kde meta-package which depends on all other smaller ones.
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07:11<microtux>hi
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07:14<patric>Huhu
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07:26<robert_>safe
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07:38<_Shade_>hi there
07:38<Steve176>hoorah! finally after three days I have wireless working with 7.10 :) Now any ideas why it only works when SSID broadcasting is enabled?
07:38<zumbi>hi
07:39<zumbi>do you know where is steve mcentiry
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07:39<hever>Hello I'm on i386 and going to build a debian package from source for amd64. I think thats not possible, right? (Perhaps you know a amd64 etch vmware player image?)
07:40<_Shade_>i have no sound on my Yamaha YMF744b sound card. I have also alsa installed but still no sound
07:40<zumbi>hever: you could fix cross compiler i386->amd64 also
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07:41<rickbot>_Shade_: tried alsaconf?
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07:42<hever>zumbi: kewl, that's what I'm looking for...
07:43<_Shade_>rickbot: not yet. What should i do?
07:43<zumbi>i386->amd64 cross compiler is broken
07:44<zumbi>at least the one that uses debian sources
07:44<rickbot>_Shade_: in terminal: su then alsaconf and follow the steps to select and enable your soundcard
07:44<rickbot>might fix it
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07:45<cahoot>_Shade_: how do you test sound? use speaker-test
07:46<cahoot>if I'm not mistaken alsaconf is obsoleted in debian
07:46<hever>zumbi: I've got a amd64 notebook. So I think the bes way is installing a amd64 on it. Thanks.
07:46<hever>OR is there a vmware image for amd64 ? I found none...
07:46<rickbot>cahoot: what replaces it?
07:46<s_i_m>_Shade_, maybe you have sound muted. Check with alsamixer
07:47<_Shade_>s_i_m: no i haven't. Just did the alsaconf anyways
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07:48<rickbot>_Shade_: did it work?
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07:48<_Shade_>rickbot: it worked indeed. Thanks a lot
07:49<rickbot>kewl :)
07:49<zumbi>hever: no idea about vmware image for amd64
07:53<rickbot>_Shade_: if you also have on-board sound, i would go into bios and didable 'sound device' otherwise the system might select the on-board instead of the card on boot
07:53<rickbot>*disable
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08:01<_Shade_>rickbot: it's a laptop so everything's on board :)
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08:07<szakal>Can somebody tell me how I can remove the suid bit on the executable?
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08:12<azeem>szakal: man chmod
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08:45<hellues>hey i downloaded git when i do git pull origin
08:45<hellues>faloowing mistake occur
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08:45<hellues>fatal: Not a git repository
08:45<hellues>Failed to find a valid git directory.
08:45<hellues>how can i fix
08:46<hellues>any answer
08:48<gsimmons>hellues: Have you changed to the directory of your source code tree?
08:48<hellues>hmm what is souce code tree
08:48<ehsan>hi
08:48<hellues>are you talking about sources.list
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08:49<gsimmons>hellues: The place where you originally made a local copy of the GIT repository (via "git clone git://foo" etc).
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08:50<hellues>how can i make local copy
08:51<gsimmons>!wayttd hellues
08:51<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, hellues?
08:51<hellues>hmm
08:51<hellues>i am using compiz and i enter compiz web site
08:51<piju>amphi; hello there
08:51<hellues>http://www.compiz.org/Documentation/Development#Downloading_with_git
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08:51<ehsan>I want change media/cdrom1 to main cdrom(media/cdrom0) I change /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules
08:51<ehsan>file but I is not solved my problem
08:52<hellues>If you are working on compiz, you should always work from a recent git checkout. The following git commands will make sure your local tree is always up to date and changes to head are merged correctly.
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08:52<hellues>for this aim i try to use git
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08:56<d0rt>hellues, i have no special git-fu yet myself, but perhaps you can find something amongst http://robsanheim.com/2008/02/22/learn-git-10-different-ways/
08:57<gsimmons>hellues: So change to the directory from where you originally executed the "git clone" command, prior to executing "git pull origin". If you've just performed "git clone", you can omit "git pull" for the moment.
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08:57<panv>yo yo yo
08:57<panv>is there any way to crack rar password protected files />?
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08:57<panv>other than writing a script to try to attack passwords with unrar !
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08:59<mjoe>what about the current sid libc6 postrm error?
09:00<azeem>mjoe: which one
09:00<mjoe>azeem: relocating error [...] _dl_out_of_memory [...]
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09:01<panv>no need again...
09:02<panv>i don't want to crack it, i removed it
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09:11<mjoe>may I ask glibc related questions in debian-glibc or is that deemed inappropriate?
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09:13<azeem>mjoe: basically, just repeating the bug report there is useless
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09:27<s-andy>hi. I've found that some outgoing packets get lost when forwarding from internal lan iface to external pppoe interface... tried turning off iptables - the same. tried playing with mtu/mss - the same. no errors in logs/dmesg. please help
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09:29<zaikxtox>hello. i have this message on aptitude update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org
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09:33<pumpkin0>zaikxtox: change the mirror. If it goes away: tell the mirror-admin to check his files. If it stays: ask again.
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09:34<zaikxtox>ok. thanks!
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09:53<_Shade_>where do i put html files so as to be able to view it through apache?
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09:55<blarson>_Shade_: where your apache config says to look
09:55<sepski>_Shade_, /var/www if you mean for the default site, also perhaps change re redirect to the docs in the confi
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10:05<blarson>I have a core duo laptop that stays at 1000 mhz dispite two long-running cpu bound jobs. (nice 19) What should I look at?
10:05<blarson>(Rather than increasing to 1.66 ghz)
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10:10<ifvoid>blarson: cpufreq scaling
10:12<ifvoid>blarson: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq specifically
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10:14<Ankho>hi all
10:15<Ankho>i have a problem, i can connect to internet using wifi at work but not at home
10:15<Ankho>ethernet works perfectly...
10:15<Ankho>any ideas?
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10:24<sleepyman>Ankho, add a new profile for home, cause they have some encryption, maybe you need the key
10:26<blarson>ifvoid: cpufreq-info shows it, but cpufreq-seq doesn't change it or give an error.
10:26<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. i did it , in fact i have the key.... is a WPA Key but Debian only have a WEP field
10:27<blarson>cpufreq-set
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10:27<sleepyman>what kind of laptop and nic do you have and what driver?
10:27<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. i have a macbook and madwifi drivers
10:28<sleepyman>macbook has open drivers for their nick? Is it onboard nic? Maybe your router has a switch for wpa to wep, whatever that is
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10:29<sleepyman>Ankho, how much did macbook, cost, do you have dual boot, or you only run debian?
10:31<sleepyman>I never got wireless driver for debian yet
10:31<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. yep macbook has an onboard nic
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10:32<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. my router is a Linksys WRT54G and i can switch to wep ... but do u really think that this is the problem?
10:32<sleepyman>Ankho, really I don't know, but I would try for sure
10:32<sleepyman>Ankho, what kind of wireless they have at work, what difference between them?
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10:33<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. not much... but the key
10:33<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. booth have dhcp activated
10:34<sleepyman>Ankho, maybe you just entered the key wrong at home
10:34<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. i don´t think so... Leopard works perfect with wifi
10:35<Ankho>i ´ll try to swith to wep encryptation
10:35<sleepyman>Ankho, can I ask you question? Was it easy to install debian, did all driver work fine, or did you have to work on it?
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10:35<flypiper>sleepyman, if you wanna try debian on a mac use the live CD first... It works great on mine :-)
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10:36<sleepyman>The have that new mac notebook, that is really thin, looks cool, but be like $10,000
10:37<sleepyman>It used to be hardwork to install debian, lots of configuring drivers, but now, it is so easy, I don't have to do a thing, just click next, next...
10:38<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. look... i´m new on linux..
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10:38<sleepyman>flypiper, what is it called, the live CD
10:38<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. but i have working on it great...
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10:39<sleepyman>Ankho, is it running just as fast as Leapord?
10:39<flypiper>sleepyman, it's the debian live CD
10:39<flypiper>lemme get you a link
10:39<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. check this out : http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
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10:39<sleepyman>flypiper, I remember I tried another one, it was debian based, but I can't remember what it is called
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10:40<flypiper>http://live.debian.net/debian-snapshots/
10:40<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. yep but they are too different to compare it
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10:41<flypiper>sleepyman, you might need to try a couple.. they really aren't made to use with a mac.. and the first one I tried didn't boot the mac keyboard driver.. so the keyboard didn't work .. but the second one was perfect
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10:42<sleepyman>flypiper, you should install if you like to use debian more and more, cause the live cd kills the cdroms, no?
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10:43<flypiper>sleepyman, yes it makes the cd rom inop.. but it's a test to see if it will work. I install debian on everything I own,,, even my ipaq pda. But installing debian on a mac can have it's challenges
10:43<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. check the link ... there u have how to configure touchpad, keyboard, screen resolution and more
10:44<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. and how to make a dual boot
10:44<sleepyman>flypiper, yeah I saw on the wiki page Ankho mentioned, it is a little work to configure debian on macbook
10:44<sleepyman>But it is worth it to have all the opensource software available.
10:44<flypiper>sleepyman, I think it's way worth it tho... :-)
10:45<flypiper>sleepyman, you can run X on a mac and install openoffice and whatever you want also :-)
10:45<sleepyman>you installed on pda, how do you do that? What else, macbook, pda, what else did you install on?
10:46<flypiper>netwinder, tabletPC, volkwagen rabbit :-)
10:46<sleepyman>so macbook doesn't come with office suite eh?
10:46<sleepyman>flypiper, provide more details please
10:46<flypiper>sleepyman, yea you get a trial winduhs version.. you can buy
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10:47<sleepyman>Ankho, so did you get it working
10:47<sleepyman>flypiper, how come you have a tabletPC and a macbook? what netwinder? and you install debian in your car?
10:48<sleepyman>haha, you funny guy
10:48<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. yep... i have booth working Leopard and Debian
10:48<flypiper>sleepyman, http://www.handhelds.org/scap I put a couple of pictures there of my pda with linux if you would like to look
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10:48<sleepyman>Ankho, no I mean wireless
10:49<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. oh! no ... i´m connected by ethernet port
10:49<flypiper>sleepyman, debian in volkswagen .. on a wireless wardrive using my pda ... was kinda a joke.. but I put debian on everything I own basically
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10:49<twb>Remind me, how do I unsubscribe from a Debian mailing list?
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10:50<blarson>twb: read the footer on each message
10:50<sleepyman>flypiper, thats cool, are you from montreal?
10:50<Ankho>.:: flypiper .:. and sleepyman i need your help...
10:51<Ankho>i donwloaded a .tar.gz file
10:51<twb>Sigh. Now to try to work out what my "password" is for that list.
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10:51<Ankho>and i want to compile it.... but i don´t know how to do it
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10:51<sleepyman>Ankho, first extract, gzip -d filename.tar.gzip, then tar xvf filename.tar
10:52<sleepyman>Ankho, are you sure there is a debian package of the file?
10:52<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. nope...
10:52<twb>Ah, cool, you can unsubscribe if you can remember/work out which address you are subscribed with, without a password.
10:52<Ankho>is that a problem?
10:52<sleepyman>Because, uninstall is no fun, well, I don't know how to do it
10:53<sleepyman>What is the file?
10:53<Ankho>i donwloaded bind dns
10:53<twb>Ankho: why can't you just `apt-get install bind'?
10:53<Ankho>bind-9.4.2.tar.gz
10:53<witte>Ankho: you want bind on a laptop?
10:53<flypiper>sleepyman, USA
10:53<Ankho>.:: witte .:. yes ... for testing pourposes
10:53<sleepyman>dnsutils - Clients provided with BIND
10:53<twb>dnsmasq is probably a better choice for a one-user DNS proxy.
10:53<sleepyman>flypiper, oh, cause I saw the french
10:54<Ankho>.:: twb .:. u´r right.. but i want to learn how to compile
10:54<sleepyman>Ankho, did you know about apt-get install dnsutils?
10:54<flypiper>sleepyman, ahh.. no we have a paster that puts his desktop there... my ipaq is the small screen
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10:54<twb>Ankho: that is probably something you should read about in RUTE or similar.
10:54<Ankho>dnsutils is better than bind ?
10:54<twb>!tell Ankho -about rute
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10:55<twb>Ankho: dnsutils is part of the bind distribution
10:55<sleepyman>Ankho, I don't know, I just did apt-cache search and found the utils
10:55<petemc>Ankho: dnsutils is a package of small tools to query nameservers, its not the same thing as bind
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10:55<Ankho>so... what should i do?
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10:56<sleepyman>Ankho, compile isn't anything difficult, just do the extraction, and then make, and make install
10:56<petemc>Ankho: aptitude install bind9 , there isnt much to learn from compiling
10:56<twb>Ankho: that rather depends on what you're trying to achieve.
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10:57<twb>Ankho: if you want to learn about compiling upstream packages, maybe you should check out a simpler package than bind -- for example, GNU Hello World.
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10:57<twb>Ankho: for Debian, in general, compiling upstream packages is both pointless and counter-productive; it is easier and safer to use apt and dpkg to install packages.
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10:58<Ankho>ok.. so i´ll do apt-get install bind
10:58<Ankho>right?
10:58<sleepyman>Ankho, do this, make file calle hello.c and type main(){ printf("hello\n"););} and then in the dir type gcc hello.c, and that some compile you did
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11:00<sleepyman>flypiper, where in US, I live in Toronto Canada
11:00<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. i don´t understand
11:00<twb>Ankho: OK, so the next question is: why do you want to install bind?
11:00<flypiper>sleepyman, Indianapolis
11:00<sleepyman>Ankho, you make an application, and then you compile it and run it
11:00<Ankho>.:: twb .:. good question...
11:00<sleepyman>Ankho, after you compile, you type ./a.out and you will see it run
11:01<Ankho>.:: twb .:. i´m trying to make my own web hosting
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11:01<twb>Ankho: why do you want to do that? Are you going to sell hosting services to customers, or are you doing it so you can test your website before putting it on the web?
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11:02<Ankho>.:: twb .:. i´m learning on how to do it... first for the company i´m working...
11:02<Ankho>second for selling
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11:03<Ankho>but.. first of all... i´m learning about debian
11:03<Ankho>trying with friends
11:03<sleepyman>Ankho, I saw one linux hosting company was looking for experience in Nagios
11:03<Ankho>i don´t want to sell a bad service
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11:04<twb>Ankho: I think you are perhaps getting ahead of yourself.
11:04<twb>Ankho: have you ever used a Unix-like operating system before?
11:04<sleepyman>flypiper, what are you so enthusiatic about linux, do you have a computer job?
11:04<twb>sleepyman: haha. People who have real computer jobs HATE computers
11:04<twb>They are like screaming toddlers
11:05<sleepyman>twb, yeah thats true, if you work on computers all day, you wanna go home and play table tennis
11:05<twb>I prefer billard, but IKWYM
11:05<mad9>I want to install debian on a new raid0 system (2 x 500 gig). debian doesnt accept my raid, i just shows my 2 separate drives. (not 1 drive = 1000 gig). (i got a promise fasttrack 378 hardware raid-controller and i already built the array (stripe)
11:05<sleepyman>IKWYM? stands for ?
11:06<twb>I know what you mean
11:06<sleepyman>mad9, did you have a raid in bios?
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11:06<mad9>yes
11:06<Ankho>.:: twb .:. not really
11:06<twb>mad9: are you using md raid or hardware raid (or fakeraid)?
11:06<Ankho>that´s why i´m here asking too much hehehe
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11:07<mad9>hardware raid (not sure excatly its onboard)
11:07<sleepyman>I had ibm server with raid, and I didn't do any configuration, it just showed as one harddrive when I went to install it
11:07<twb>mad9: is it real hardware raid, or fakeraid?
11:07<twb>mad9: that is, did the raid card cost $300 or only $10?
11:07<sleepyman>mad9, you have to go into bios and install the raid softare there for ibm, dunno about yours
11:07<mad9>the board costs 200, but its long ago
11:08<twb>OK, it may be hardware raid.
11:08<twb>Next: are you aware that RAID0 is a Really Dumb Thing to do?
11:08<mad9>yeo
11:08<mad9>yep
11:08<sleepyman>twb, why is it dumb?
11:09<mad9>actually we know what we are doing, but normally we dont have this problem
11:09<twb>sleepyman: because your reliability is halved (assuming a two-node array).
11:09<twb>mad9: well, I can't stop you.
11:09<mad9>yeah we are rich :D
11:09<twb>mad9: rich /= reliability
11:09<Ankho>.:: sleepyman .:. - twb . petemc : thanls a lot! i´ll going to lunch now.. see u later
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11:09<mad9>and we dont need security
11:09<sleepyman>Ankho, see you, nice chatting
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11:10<flypiper>sleepyman, I haven't used winduhs now for 8 years or so. Im an old Compaq/HP field repair Tech.... Just love removin duhs and putting on a nice clean Debian system. I run it on my web servers and anything I use :-)
11:10<mad9>so can you help us with our problem?
11:10<twb>mad9: I don't know offhand about non-md raid, but I'm guessing you need a non-Free or updated driver that isn't in d-i.
11:10<twb>mad9: what I'd do is boot a live CD, run lspci, then google for the string it reports
11:11<twb>mad9: from there you should get a kernel driver name, and you can find out if d-i 1) has it; and 2) has a new-enough version.
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11:11<sleepyman>flypiper, yeah, I love debian, just apt-get what ever you want
11:11<twb>And I hope you have good backups.
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11:12<sleepyman>flypiper, how do you find short circuits, cause I have an hp, and I moved it down stairs, and all of sudden there is a short circuit
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11:12<RobT>hi, how can i know which is the architecture of my laptop????
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11:13<sleepyman>flypiper, so I disconnect ide and floppy, and it runs, but when I reconnect, it does short circuit again, and I have to pull the plug, and re-plug in to restart and try again
11:13<twb>sleepyman: that sounds like a rather premature diagnosis
11:13<RobT>my processor is a intel pentium dual core t2310
11:13<odine>i have a question... im going to install debian on an intel quad core duo system... which install build is the best for it.. (has to be a better one than i386 to use)
11:13<sleepyman>twb, well, it runs for a few seconds and shutsoff
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11:13<twb>RobT: almost certainly i386 and amd64.
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11:14<flypiper>sleepyman, what happens when you describe "short Circuit" ??? does it lock up?
11:14<twb>sleepyman: I assume you checked all the connectors?
11:14<sleepyman>odine, you mean you have 4 core duos? Thats awesome
11:14<sleepyman>flypiper, it shuts off
11:14<twb>sleepyman: I assume he means four cores
11:14<sleepyman>flypiper, it doesn't even reach the bios stage
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11:15<twb>sleepyman: that could be a damaged PSU; have you tried swapping in a spare?
11:15<sleepyman>odine, or do you have two quad core chops
11:15<flypiper>have you moved it back upstairs and tried it again? That sounds like the wall outlet plug may have the wrong polarity or something like that
11:15<RobT>twb, what happens if i'm using the wrong architecture??? for example, if my laptop is amd64 and i installed i386???
11:15<twb>flypiper: haha
11:15<odine>no... its a Q6600 cpu.. ONE cpu 4 cores in it...
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11:15<twb>RobT: all amd64 CPUs can emulate the i386 architecture
11:15<sleepyman>yeah, that what I thought, and took it upstairs, and same thing was happenning upstairs then
11:16<sleepyman>odine, so when you do lshw in bash it shows four chips?
11:16<flypiper>something must have happened to the power supply then.. get the model and jump on e-bay and see if you can find it there
11:16<twb>RobT: if it's the wrong architecture, the CD just won't boot and you'll get a message like "this machine doesn't do 64-bit, stoopid."
11:16<RobT>so it doesn't matter which architecture i'm using?
11:16<flypiper>just google the part number on the power supply
11:16<twb>RobT: well, there is more non-Free software for i386 than amd64.
11:16<RobT>ah ok
11:16<mad9>what to install the system with a software raid 0?
11:16<odine>sleepyman: i haven't installed debian onto that box yet.. it only has windows vista on it atm... taskmgr shows 4 boxes though
11:16<twb>RobT: the amd64 architecture will probably give you better performance
11:17<RobT>thanks twb
11:17<sleepyman>flypiper, cool, thanks, I was worried there was something burned on it the mother board for the ide and floppy bus or something like that, cause I thought the pwr supply was fine since it ran without the ide's plugged in
11:17<odine>sleepyman: im tring to find the best arch. to install on it.....
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11:17<sleepyman>odine, quad core is the arch
11:18<sleepyman>odine, does debian have a quad core kernel? They must eh
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11:18<twb>odine: presumably, like RobT, you can either run natively (amd64) or emulate an i386 system.
11:18<flypiper>sleepyman, the power supply should have seperate voltage for the drives.. you can test that with a voltmeter. Due to it running without the drives tells me the MLB is OK
11:18<odine>twb: thanks alot... i kinda thought i could run amd64, but its not an amd chipset so i figured id better double check
11:19<twb>odine: Intel mostly make AMD64 CPUs for consume gear now
11:19<RobT>odine are you using windows??
11:19<twb>odine: Celeron Ds are amd64
11:19<twb>odine: they call it em64t, because "amd64" is embarrassing
11:19<odine>twb:hmm.. thats news for me.. lol
11:19<odine>robt: i use windows.. but usually debian for everything but gaming
11:19<RobT>because i found my architecture looking on windows hardware info xD
11:19<sleepyman>flypiper, cool, thats a cheap and easy fix compared to motherboard
11:20<twb>(Having said that, Celeron Ds and Semprons don't actually run amd64 arch noticably faster than i386)
11:20<RobT>it's an x86 intel family
11:20<twb>RobT: that's because you're running the i386 version of windows
11:20<twb>RobT: the CPU detects that and switches to i386 mode
11:20<RobT>really? ups, now i'm twice lost
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11:21<RobT>so, if i try to install windows 64bits on my laptop and works i have an amd64 architecture?
11:21<twb>RobT: look, just do this: grab the amd64 BBC and boot it. If your system is amd64, it'll work. if not, it'll complain as soon as you press ENTER at the bootloader
11:21<odine>one more question....
11:21<RobT>ok
11:21<twb>!BBC
11:21<mad9>Promise 20378 On-Board
11:21<RobT>i'll do that
11:21<twb>Bleh.
11:21<mad9>thats the controller
11:22<odine>comparing amd64 to the i386 arch... if im running the amd64 tech. it should run more efficient and faster no?
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11:22<twb>odine: theoretically, yes.
11:22<mad9>is it software raid or hardware
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11:22<odine>twb: but really its about the same i know.... is package support just about as good as i386 nowadays? when i installed amd64 a while back on a differ pc there wasnt as much packlage support
11:23<mad9>twb http://www.msi-technology.de/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=565&maincat_no=1
11:23<twb>odine: there are still fewer packages for amd64, particularly non-Free stuff and low-level stuff like virtual machines
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11:24<flypiper>sleepyman, well depending on what unit you have... MLB could be cheap.. you can prolly find it on e-bay unless it's a brand new unit
11:24<odine>k, that shouldnt affect me then... worse comes to worse.. ill just reinstall to i386.. thanks for the help everyone
11:24<twb>mad9: there is a limit to how much I will hold your hand. Until you have a driver name, don't bug me.
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11:25<AbsintheSyringe>debian testing, kde 3.5.8, out of sudden my knetwork doesn't show that I'm connected (I am), wireless working fine
11:25<AbsintheSyringe>http://foolcontrol.org/img/knetmanager-eth1/netmanager.png
11:25<AbsintheSyringe>http://foolcontrol.org/img/knetmanager-eth1/netmanager1.png
11:25<AbsintheSyringe>I'm out of ideas, anyone?
11:26<twb>AbsintheSyringe: would that be the KDE GUI for network-manager?
11:26<twb>AbsintheSyringe: if so, is are the dbus daemons running? Is the NM daemon running?
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11:27<sleepyman>flypiper, yeah, I never thought to look there, but its lots of work taking it all apart and replacing a mother board
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11:28<flypiper>sleepyman, that is true if you throw the screws and stuff over your shoulder and don't pay attention to where stuff goes... but that is cheaper than paying me to come out to your location.
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11:29<sleepyman>flypiper, its probably the motherboard then? Have you ever had a short circuit cause by a weak powersupply? There was lots of dust in it.
11:29<AbsintheSyringe>twb, yes kde gui, let me check if it's all running
11:31<AbsintheSyringe>twb, ouch http://rafb.net/p/pEUIYx95.html
11:31<flypiper>sleepyman, removing the dust is what is known in my world as servicing it. Dust causes resistance on electronic parts like boards. But there are also can be metal particales in dust that when a unit is move.. will short something. Don't use air to clean it.. vaccum
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11:32<flypiper>sleepyman, the power on the drives will be the smaller white plugs
11:32<sleepyman>flypiper, I had bad credit, cause my student loans, and then didnt have a good job, so I can't really buy from ebay, and new motherboards is so expensive for this old computer.
11:32<sleepyman>flypiper, I used the vaccuum on reverse mode to dust it out
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11:33<sleepyman>flypiper, but the problem happenned before I used the vaccuum
11:33<flypiper>we prolly should change discussion.. we are getting off topic slightly
11:33<petemc>you can use paypal witha debit card
11:33<twb>FPA "because of my student loons
11:33<flypiper>sleepyman, come up on #handhels-intimate and we can continue this discussion
11:33<sleepyman>petemc, yeah right, and I can buy from ebay? Thanks petemc
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11:34<flypiper>sleepyman, #handhelds-intimate... sorry
11:35<AbsintheSyringe>twb, yea it's running, but still nothing
11:35<sleepyman>flypiper, I think thats on a different network
11:35<RobT>any command to know all the characteristics of my processor in depth?? i'm looking for my architecture
11:35<sleepyman>lshw
11:36<petemc>cat /proc/cpuinfo
11:36<sleepyman>RobT, but you have to install it first
11:36<sleepyman>oh yeah, cpuinfo
11:36<flypiper>sleepyman, ok.. then #netwinder
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11:37<RobT>ok, that will tell me the real architecture??? or the architecture i have installed???
11:37<petemc>it tells you about your processor, you're probably running 32bit i386
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11:38<RobT>ok
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11:43<joeuser>Hi there, what do I need to start xfce4 ? I installed also x11-common but startx won't work with xinit: Server error.
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11:43<petemc>joeuser: xserver-xorg
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11:44<joeuser>petemc: Thanks, I'm installing it. I think xfce should have dependencies to it...
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11:45<petemc>joeuser: not really, you could connect to a remote xserver
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11:48<twb>joeuser: why?
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11:49<twb>joeuser: X is a network protocol; you needn't run the server (xorg) and the client(s) (xfce) on the same host.
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11:52<joeuser>petemc thanks ;)
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11:54<sleepyman>twb, I was so impressed with this networking, but when and who uses it.
11:55<twb>sleepyman: hmm?
11:55<sleepyman>twb, I could even figure out how to log onto remote linux and play a movie
11:55<sleepyman>*couldn't
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11:57<poiqwepoi>Sleepy man,
11:57<twb>playing movies requires gobs of bandwidth.
11:57<poiqwepoi>Sleepyman: to run a remote client you need to export DISPLAY=yourhostname:0.0
11:57<twb>Try something like ssh -X arthur.stinky.ac.uk xlogo
11:57<poiqwepoi>or connect with ssh -X
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11:58<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, hmmm, its not easy though, one day I will try again
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11:58<sleepyman>twb, I mean, play it local, not through network. Just operate the other computer remotely
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11:59<sleepyman>like from computer a log onto comp b and play a movie on comp b
11:59<twb>Yes, that requires a lot of bandwidth.
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12:00<twb>Specifically, because remote X clients cannot use the XVideo extension to access the video hardware directly.
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12:01<poiqwepoi>sleepyman, you want b to display the movie or a?
12:02<poiqwepoi>if you log on from A to B, play the movie on B and display it on B, it does not require much bandwidth
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12:04<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, I was using synergy instead
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12:04<ozz>#?
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12:06<poiqwepoi>sleepy, do you want to log on from A to B, play the movie on B and display it on B?
12:06<hyksos>hi, how can i fastly make a ogg video smaller, in picture-size or bitrate?
12:06<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, exactly
12:06<poiqwepoi>ok
12:06<poiqwepoi>:)
12:06<poiqwepoi>Then not much bandwith is necessary
12:07<poiqwepoi>you use telnet or ssh to remote connect?
12:07<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, should not be a bandwith issue at all, I just wanna run the command
12:07<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, but you need -X, and you have to export, and allow connections
12:07<poiqwepoi>no not in that case
12:08<poiqwepoi>you need an X server on B
12:08<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, its lots of work, finally I just used synergy, but I would prefer usin telnet or ssh
12:08<poiqwepoi>it is not much work really
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12:08<poiqwepoi>Once X is running on B
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12:09<sleepyman>poiqwepoi, but the file is on B too, basically I just want to operate the X server remotely
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12:09<poiqwepoi>I understand
12:09<poiqwepoi>If x is running
12:09<poiqwepoi>and xhost +
12:09<twb>sleepyman: ssh gerald env DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/tmp/somethingsillygdmuses mplayer foo.ogg
12:10<poiqwepoi>twb is correct.
12:11<sleepyman>I see, thanks
12:11<sleepyman>one day I will try it again, but right now I only have one computer up
12:12<sleepyman>Like I want sit with a walll full of monitor and operate them all, put news on one, a movie another, security cameras on another that kind of thing. Like a cluster
12:12<sleepyman>It very easy to do with linux bash, but X gets complicated
12:13<twb>sleepyman: so basically you would be a wanker
12:13<sleepyman>haha
12:13<sleepyman>yep
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12:13<sleepyman>is wanker masterbater?
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12:14<twb>Yes.
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12:14<sleepyman>yes
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12:14<twb>But in this case I mean it as an insult
12:15<sleepyman>ok mate
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12:15<sleepyman>btw are you from england?
12:16<twb>Only ethnically.
12:17<sleepyman>I see, so you mean, you are from england, but you aren't white with crooked teeth, and a big nose?
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12:17<twb>I mean that my ancestors left England to invade Bhurma and Australia
12:17<twb>But this is off-topic.
12:18<sleepyman>I'm from England too, the invaded one by your ancestor, we still got you ancestor architecture kicking
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12:18<sleepyman>you guys love door that open in the middle.
12:19<sleepyman>you guys did a number on burma and for how many generations. Man, you gonna burn in hellfire
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12:23<Ankho>i´m back.... hi all
12:25<Ankho>dnsutils
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12:59<luccials>ola
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13:00<gpm>hey is there a way to find out when i installed debian? i can't remember how long ago it was
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13:01<gpm>i guess i could look at last-modified for some file that rarely/never gets touched
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13:03<twb>Maybe the filesystem has a creation metadatum
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13:05<witte>gpm: you could look if there is somehting in /var/log/installer
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13:41<antiq>всем привет!
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14:10<hever>Hi.I'm going to compile dovecot myself an make a debian package from it. (Newest Version 1.1 + patch). If I compile it the standard way by ./configure and make all works fine. But if I'm using "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" I got failures like "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status"... I followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.de.html. Whats wrong ?
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14:13<comex>Occasionally I have a problem where a key just gets "stuck" in xorg. The only way to solve this is to restart X which kills my entire session.
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14:13<comex>As far as I can tell it's this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/194214 but there is no solution. In fact, the poster of that bug's temporary "solution" (play around madly with the key so it unsticks) doesn't work for me.
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14:23<hever>Hi.I'm going to compile dovecot myself an make a debian package from it. (Newest Version 1.1 + patch). If I compile it the standard way by ./configure and make all works fine. But if I'm using "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" I got failures like "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status"... I followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-build.de.html. Whats wrong ?
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14:25<comex>i can has double poast?
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14:26<panagos>is there a console pager that supports syntax highlighting of c/c++ (and why not other languages)?
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14:27<amphi>panagos: export PAGER=/usr/bin/vim ;)
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14:28<panagos>is there a graphical pages that can read from stdin?
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14:29<panagos>like, say, blah blah | blah | xless
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14:29<panagos>oops, hehe, there actually *is* a command named xless! :P
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14:32<hever>I got also "undefined reference to 'function'"...
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14:39<arnaud>plop all
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14:42<yhg>Has anyone recently dist-upgraded sid and had problems with webbrowsers hanging?
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14:44<yhg>On amd64, it's repeatable in Iceweasel and Epiphany. Just hangs after loading... I'm not sure what exactly. Seems to be pages with a lot of scripting or a lot of external references like ads.
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14:44<Pryon>yhg: URL?
14:45<Pryon>I'm dist-upgrading right now on x64-64 and libmozjs0d is being updated.
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14:45<Pryon>s/64/86/
14:45<yhg>linuxquestions.org, boardreader.com are especially bad offenders, but it can be anything. Gmail, myspace, youtube, whatever.
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14:49<Pryon>youtube won't load for some reason. linuxquestions.org and boardreader.com *seem* to be okay (excepting links to youtube)
14:51<yhg>linuxquestions.org for example... it loads okay for a little while, then hangs while the statusbar says "Transferring data from images.linuxquestions.org..." and the window stops responding. Eventually it'll be fine and the page will be finished loading.
14:51<yhg>and now it's hung again with the statusbar saying "Read pagead2.googlesyndication.com"
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14:55<szbalazs>hi
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14:59<Supaplex>Pryon: yes, youtube is offline
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15:08<szbalazs>i use ubuntu on a laptop, the sound is ok on it, but if i connect a speaker to it (with a jack) the sound doesn't work. Can sy help me?
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15:22<cahoot>tried change settings in alsamixer - like any speaker tab?
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15:43<simonrvn>@test
15:43<ravenbird>Yes, simonrvn, you're still online.
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15:46<proket>I love Debian !!! I love World DEBIAN /// I love LINUX!]
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15:53<szakal>Is any shortcut to copy selected text in console or I can only use mouse to do this?
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15:55<simonrvn>you can try screen too
15:55<tom>@szakal: Shift + Ctrl + C
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15:56<petemc>tom: what does that do?
15:56<szakal>doesn't work for me
15:57<tom>copy in terminal, you can't only use Ctrl + C for copy
15:57<szakal>tom: do You know any shortcut for this? shift+insert work :)
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15:58<szakal>using mouse is not good solution..
15:58<petemc>use screen, ctl a [
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16:01<Xenguy>szakal: are you at the console (F1-F6), or in X ?
16:02<szakal>Xenguy: in X, but got console open ;)
16:03<Xenguy>szakal: yeah, so I guess mouse or screen are your main options then
16:04<szakal>Xenguy: no possibility for configure shortcut?
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16:06<Xenguy>szakal: not if I understand your question correctly. Are you using gnome-terminal or konsole? Are you using any particular app in the terminal, or are you just on the command-line in a terminal?
16:06<Xenguy>szakal: better yet, give a more specific example of what you'd like to do :-)
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16:10<szakal>Xenguy: sorry, for hard understanding, my english is too bad. I'm using terminal on KDE, If I select some text inside it, I can use right mouse button, and use "Copy", but I'd like to do this by keyboard if possible
16:10<szakal>it's not console
16:11<amphi>szakal: if you select the text, it is copied automatically, unless kde's terminal breaks that
16:11<amphi>szakal: you can paste with shift-insert or middle-click
16:11<Xenguy>szakal: yes, what amphi said, then use 'middle-click' mouse button to paste
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16:13<_ZeuZ_>Heya, guys, I cannot go into KDM Manager as administrator, KDE control center just tells me to wait until it get's frozen... what can I do?
16:13<Xenguy>szakal: and I think 'Shift-Insert' does not work in this case
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16:14<szakal>Xenguy: shift+insert works ;)
16:15<amphi>szakal: I wasn't lying... ;)
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16:15<Xenguy>szakal: but I think it pastes whatever has been 'Edit > Copy' before, not what has been highlighted with the mouse and automatically copied to the 'X clipboard'
16:15<Xenguy>amphi: ^^
16:15<szakal>amphi, Xenguy: Thanks guys for help :) I had opened different kind of terminal, so that's why it didn't wanted to copy to clipboard automatically :) now is ok :)
16:15<Xenguy>if that makes sense
16:16<Xenguy>szakal: OK, good
16:16<amphi>Xenguy: oh, so konsole does break traditional xterm behaviour?
16:16<amphi>szakal: ah
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16:16<chealer>ZeuZ: ask #debian-kde
16:16<Xenguy>amphi: not sure about konsole; I don't use it, and can't tell whether szakal does or not ;-)
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16:20<ZeuZ>chealer: thanks
16:21<simonrvn>i switch rb back to ! for now. someone ping me when dpkg is back
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16:21<simonrvn>!rb
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16:22<simonrvn>!rb is <reply>rb is simonrvn's nickname for me, also the "file extension" for ruby scripts (file extensions are useless OS-wise for *NIX, but handy for humans)
16:22<ravenbird>okay, simonrvn
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16:23<Steve176>hi. anyone know how to get wicd manager to connect with either WEP or preferably WPA enabled?
16:24<Steve176>I've only been able to get it working with no encryption. Tried both static IP and DHCP
16:25<Steve176>I either get "connected to none" or it hangs on "Obtaining IP address"
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17:02<Guest1146>hi
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17:03<Flamedrag041>hello
17:03<Flamedrag041>?
17:03<Guest1146>hi
17:03<Flamedrag041>hi
17:03<Flamedrag041>so whats up?
17:03<Guest1146>?
17:04<Guest1146>where are u from ?
17:04<Flamedrag041>wait where are you from
17:04<Flamedrag041>?
17:04<Guest1146>It
17:04<Flamedrag041>It?
17:04<noflash>if it isn't debian related it's pretty much off topic in here
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17:04<Xenguy>italy
17:04<Guest1146>everything is debian related
17:04<Flamedrag041>i gtg :(
17:05<noflash>Guest1146, do you have a debian question?
17:05<Guest1146>can anybody here tell me why firefox is named iceweasel ?
17:05<Xenguy>he gets nervous around italians ;-)
17:05<noflash> /ignore -replies Guest1146
17:05<Torsten_W>Guest1146: u know google?
17:05<Xenguy>Guest1146: there was a dispute between debian and mozilla regarding the 'freeness' of the app names or something similar
17:06<noflash>Guest1146, it is a license issue
17:06<Guest1146>thank you
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17:06<Xenguy>Guest1146: so debian changed the names ;-)
17:06<Guest1146>another question please
17:06<Guest1146>about mldonkey
17:06<Guest1146>is there a way to find out how it was compiled ?
17:07<Guest1146>i mean...
17:07<Guest1146>when i get the .deb package..
17:07<weasel>apt-get source.
17:07<Guest1146>wait
17:07<Guest1146>if a get the .deb file with apt-get install
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17:08<Guest1146>busy
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17:08<Guest1146>apt-get souce mldonkey-server
17:09<Guest1146>dpkg-source -x mldonkey.dsc
17:09<Guest1146>DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=" --enblabel etc..." fakeroot debian/rules binary
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17:21<twb>!why iceweasel
17:21<ravenbird>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information.
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17:30<rjent_>could someone share with me how I would tell parted to remove all partitions on a drive?
17:31<KD0AR>Has anyone had problems RECENTLY installing Lenny? Installer keeps hanging on ssl-cert package.
17:32<rjent_>KDOAR: I synced my mirror last week and all installed fine on some equipment.
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17:33<KD0AR>ok, I had it installed on an older machine. Lost tyhe motherboard, bought a new pc - an AMD Athlon 64b. Wont install on it or on the laptop, which is also an AMD 64bit processor.
17:34<rjent_>I installed on intel boards last week
17:34<KD0AR>this from a clean install using both the AMD64 or the i386 installer
17:35<rjent_>base install or what type?
17:35<KD0AR>tried upgrading from Etch, as well as a base install. neither worked in either machine
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17:36<KD0AR>spent all day today on it.
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17:36<KD0AR>thought id come in to se3e if i was the only one having problems
17:36<rjent_>not sure, I generally do base then run a task after first boot
17:37<rjent_>I was good on intel as late as last wed.
17:38<KD0AR>i had installed it a couple weeks ago on the 32 bit AMD, went in fine. didnt upgrade the laptop then.... now on this new machine, it just stops there.
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17:39<KD0AR>i have Etch in it now and am using that right now.
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17:40<Woet`>Where does debian store network logs?
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17:40<Woet`>Like, what IP is connecting to what port at what time
17:40<petemc>it doesnt, by default
17:40<KD0AR>I'll wait a week or 2 and see if any other AMD guys have a problem. tnx.
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17:40<Woet`>How to enable it?
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17:42<amphi>Woet`: you can have iptables log everything if you want
17:43<petemc>im not sure what you would use to log everything, iptables has a log target, but that seems cumbersome - perhaps someone has written something more convenient
17:43<petemc>its common for people to track web activity with squid
17:44<kingsley2>When I try to run a newly installed version of "blender", a 3D modelling and rendering package, it complains with "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." and "intern/ghost/intern/GHOST_WindowX11.cpp:105: X11 glxChooseVisual() failed for OpenGL, verify working openGL system!"
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17:44<kingsley2>How should one check for a working openGL system?
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17:45<memento>hello, who have experience with "MoBlock"
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17:49<witte>kingsley2: glxinfo maybe from the mesa-utils
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17:50<Woet`>How to configure iptables to log everything?
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17:51<Woet>And whats a command to look at the current connections + ports?
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17:51<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to format my usbdrive with gparted. I have a 512Mb disk but only appears 117Mb
17:51<bcochofel>How can I format the device with fat32 under etch?
17:52<Supaplex>mkfs.vfat
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17:52<Supaplex>Woet: netstat
17:52<Woet>ty
17:52<bcochofel>Supaplex: thx
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17:53<Woet>ip51ccdff6.speed.:63644
17:53<Woet>how to show everything?
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17:54<Supaplex>Woet: netstat -a
17:54<Woet>k
17:54<bcochofel>Supaplex: mkfs -t vfat /dev/... is enough?
17:54<noflash>Woet, man netstat would have told you that:)
17:55<Supaplex>bcochofel: I suppose so
17:55<Woet>there is someone logged in into telnet, and im trying to figure out which IP it is
17:55<Woet>Someone has any idea?
17:56<Supaplex>netstat -tn | grep :23
17:56<Woet>I would like to log every telnet activity, or what so ever
17:56<Supaplex>telnet is insecure. why on earth use it?
17:57<Woet>Ok, i got the IP now
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17:57<Woet>How to ban it?
17:57<Supaplex>hosts.deny or iptables or fail2ban
17:57<witte>Woet: also disable telnetµ
17:58<Woet>And is it possible to log it? Since the user just left
17:59<Supaplex>maybe it's in your /var/log/ already
17:59<Woet>yea, i looked there, i couldnt find any file
17:59<memento>who know MoBlock
17:59<memento>got problem with the conf
17:59<Supaplex>Woet: if /var/log/ has no files, I'd be worried
18:00<Woet>no, i mean, i opened them
18:00<Woet>but nothing usefull
18:00<witte>memento: is moblock a debian package?
18:01<bcochofel>Supaplex: how can I see if it's all ok? I got almos no output even with -v option
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18:01<memento>witte: i m not sure
18:01<memento>dont think so
18:02<witte>memento: probably you could get more help from a moblock mailing-list or maybe even a moblock irc channel (i do not even know what it is)
18:03<memento>witte: do you have some tips where, cause i am searching the whole day
18:05<witte>memento: you got the downloads from here: http://moblock-deb.sourceforge.net/ ?
18:06<Supaplex>bcochofel: mount it someplace
18:06<witte>memento: there should be a man page, and a /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian text fiel
18:06<memento>witte: yes i got it from there
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18:07<bcochofel>Supaplex: well, now I can't.Don't know why but auto.fs stop mounting that device
18:07<Supaplex>i'm aloof to auto.fs. can't you mount it manually?
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18:08<memento>witte: i got the man., but the probl. is somwhere else
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18:08<memento>witte: thx, i m still searching
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18:13<bcochofel>Supaplex: I can, I've also tried cfdisk but nothing happens.
18:14<bcochofel>gparted crashes. It lists a 117 device and if I try to create a new partition it crashes
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18:14<Supaplex>mount /dev/... /mnt -t vfat
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18:14<bcochofel>that's what I did
18:15<Supaplex>strange
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18:15<bcochofel>Supaplex: I was having problems with copying to that device so I was searching for a way to format it
18:16<bcochofel>Supaplex: maybe clearing things up. But no good
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18:18<bcochofel>Supaplex: how can I format it to ext2 ?
18:18<bcochofel>Supaplex: I mean create a new partition and format it
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18:24<Supaplex>bcochofel: mkfs.ext3 /device
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18:31<Guest1157>I'm looking for some apps from the deb-stable repo that will help me create a big PDF from a bunch of OOo presentations and other documents. In the Win32 world, PDF Creator (oss) was neat - I'dl ike somethig similar on my deb boxes.
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18:32<Supaplex>openoffice has pdf exporting builtin
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18:34<Guest1157>Yes, but I want to make a PDF file with many OOo files, without having to copy-paste content. Also, if it could print like 4-6 pages per paper page that'd be great.
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18:34<Guest1157>Basically, I want PDF Creator to be ported to Linux...
18:35<Supaplex>look at ghostscript
18:35<Supaplex>afaik it'll combine multiple input files too, if you feed it correctly
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18:36<Guest1157>Okay. I'll take a look.
18:37<Supaplex>psmerge and ps2pdf* will give you some hints
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18:41<witte>Guest1157: you could do it in latex as well (pdfpages or combine packages)
18:42<Guest1157>Yes, I have "learn latex" on my to-do list. I keep hearing good things.
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18:43<Guest1157>But the documents in question are already OOo Presentations
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18:44<witte>Guest1157: you can have multiple slides per page in OOo
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18:55<jandry>hola
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19:21<oloughlin75>Is anybody here? I am trying to set up my wireless, so I followed the wiki. My problem now is that it sees access points, but it fails to connect. What should I do?
19:21<witte>oloughlin75: which wireless card (chipset)? which wiki?
19:22<oloughlin75>Its a realtek 8185
19:22<oloughlin75>and this wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
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19:25<witte>oloughlin75: you do not need ndiswrapper for that card
19:25<oloughlin75>I don' t?
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19:25<witte>oloughlin75: the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. The main page is at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/, see http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for installation instructions. Revision 65 fails to compile on i386, check out revision 57 ("-r57") or 62 instead.
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19:25<witte>oloughlin75: that is what the dpkg irc bot would have told if he was awake :P
19:26<oloughlin75>well, many thanks witte :)
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19:26<oloughlin75>witte, should I completely remove ndiswrapper?
19:27<witte>oloughlin75: don't really know, never used ndiswrapper :-)
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19:27<oloughlin75>I will too be safe
19:28<witte>oloughlin75: you could blacklist that module (at least until you know for certain that it does not bother you)
19:28<oloughlin75>witte, It is already gone
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19:45<oloughlin75>Could someone tell me what I need to install when I get this error? http://pastebin.org/21092
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19:47<SharkMa-san>are you sure you have kernel headers installed?
19:48<oloughlin75>SharkMa-san, It says they are already the newest version
19:50<fabio>are you compiling the kernel ?
19:51<oloughlin75>No, I think it is a patch, (following a wiki)
19:51<SharkMa-san>at least the faq on the website recommends using rev 52 on debian etch
19:51<oloughlin75>For my wireless: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu
19:51<oloughlin75>SharkMa-san, it is r52
19:51<SharkMa-san>k
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19:53<oloughlin75>any other ideas? I am willing to install random packages :)
19:56<SharkMa-san>I don't have any personal experience on that driver, since my wifi cards work with madwifi :/
19:56<gsimmons>oloughlin75: http://paste.debian.net/49856
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19:58<oloughlin75>gsimmons, tells me I am up to date with both build-essential and linux headers and subversion
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20:00<oloughlin75>gsimmons, I still get the same error on the revision too
20:00<witte>oloughlin75: i tried the wiki, and it seems to work on my etch machine
20:01<oloughlin75>witte, I have a fresh etch... Im missing -something-
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20:01<witte>oloughlin75: i use the -686 kernel, but i doubt that this is the problem
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20:02<witte>oloughlin75: can you start from the beginning of that page, and paste the complete output
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20:03<oloughlin75>witte, sure, give me a sec
20:03<witte>use "svn co -r52 https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi rtl-wifi" for testing, as this worked on my install
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20:03<fabio>hi
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20:04<gsimmons>oloughlin75: Are you checking out a revision from subversion, or using a snapshot tarball?
20:04<oloughlin75>revision from subversion
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20:06<oloughlin75>witte, here it is. http://pastebin.org/21096
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20:07<unk_farao>tc de onde
20:07<witte>oloughlin75: and if you just do make (not sudo make)
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20:08<oloughlin75>witte, exact same error
20:08<unk_farao>brasil
20:08<witte>oloughlin75: you are running debian etch, right?
20:08<oloughlin75>witte, woo! I openned a root terminal and its working
20:09<oloughlin75>witte, yep, etch
20:09<witte>oloughlin75: which is up to date with all packages
20:09<witte>oloughlin75: makes no sense to me :(
20:09<oloughlin75>witte, its working, I opened the Root Terminal from the menu and its working!
20:10<gsimmons>oloughlin75: What do you receive for "dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r) | tail -1" ?
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20:11<oloughlin75>still hear me?
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20:12<oloughlin75>alright, it still isn't connecting to the acess point
20:12<witte>oloughlin75: what kind of card is it? usb dongle?
20:12<oloughlin75>witte, mPCI I think its called, internal on a laptop
20:13<fiyawerx_>enouf: switched clients this should be better, it dropped me to an (initramfs) prompt
20:13<oloughlin75>should I try installing and then trying it?
20:13<amphi>oloughlin75: 'minipci' I think
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20:13<oloughlin75>gsimmons, http://pastebin.org/21098
20:13<witte>oloughlin75: ok, did you insmod the modules?
20:13<enouf>fiyawerx_: heh, you're also on a different server
20:13<oloughlin75>witte, yes
20:14<witte>oloughlin75: what is in the output of dmesg, last lines
20:14<fiyawerx_>oh, heh, didnt even realize, is it ok to use this instead?
20:14<oloughlin75>witte, and the 818x
20:14<enouf>sure, i'm here too
20:14<fiyawerx_>I got a message 'Alert! /dev/sda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
20:14<fiyawerx_>I'm pretty sure during the actual install the hd's were detected as sdax's
20:15<oloughlin75>witte, http://pastebin.org/21099
20:15<enouf>flypiper: any crypt, raid, pci ide/sata cards, lvm ?
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20:15<witte>oloughlin75: ok, try ifconfig wlan0 up
20:15<enouf>flypiper: vmware?
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20:16<oloughlin75>witte, no output
20:16<witte>oloughlin75: ok, ifconfig
20:16<ZeuZ>G'night...
20:16<amphi>a good sign ;)
20:16<witte>oloughlin75: there should be wlan0 there
20:16<fiyawerx_>enouf: if you mean me, no - sata cdrom/hd, thats it, sda1/2 are windows partitions, sda3 is /, sda4 is swap
20:16<oloughlin75>witte, it is
20:16<flypiper>enouf, you were talking to fiyawerx_ ???
20:16<fiyawerx_>i'm not sure what its trying to use hdc as
20:16<witte>oloughlin75: dhclient wlan0
20:16<enouf>sorry, my bad tab
20:17<flypiper>enouf, np
20:17<enouf>yes, i meant fiyawerx_ and not flypiper
20:17<fiyawerx_>during boot itseems to have used hda for my cdrom
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20:17<oloughlin75>witte, it is saying "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4" with a different intrevel every time
20:18<oloughlin75>witte, subnet should be 255.255.255.0 right?
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20:18<oloughlin75>witte, No DHCPOFFERS received.
20:18<enouf>fiyawerx_: you used netinstaller? how old?
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20:18<fiyawerx_>not sure if it was fully net-installer, it was from the r3 dvd, downloaded last night, when it asked to check the local mirror for updates i said yes and went through that
20:19<sergio>how i make work the amsn
20:19<sergio>??
20:19<sergio>on ubuntu
20:19<gsimmons>!tell sergio -about ubuntu
20:19<fiyawerx_>enouf: from this link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/
20:20<enouf>well, the DVD is not the netinstaller, it's DVD 1,iso or whatever
20:20<fiyawerx_>thats what i used then
20:20<fiyawerx_>sorry the dvd 1
20:20<enouf>ok
20:20<sergio>it sais i i have to compile t
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20:21<witte>gsimmons: dpkg is on vacation
20:21<enouf>fiyawerx_: where did you install grub to? do you have any usb HDDs/usb-keys connected now? during installation?
20:21<gsimmons>witte: 'ravenbird' is not, however.
20:21<fiyawerx_>grub to mbr (it also detected the xp install and added that ok) - and no, no usb keys during / now
20:21<witte>!tell witte about nl
20:22<witte>gsimmons: ah, great, i did not know the ! works for ravenbird as well
20:22<enouf>fiyawerx_: odd - something's funky, so can you show me your menu.lst ?
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20:22<witte>oloughlin75: does your wireless router send dhcp offers?
20:22<fiyawerx_>i can try, not sure how, im on my laptop now
20:23<witte>oloughlin75: and maybe you have to configure wep/wpa?
20:23<enouf>fiyawerx_: also, tell me motherboard / cpu / chipset if you can
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20:23<oloughlin75>witte, It should... I use DHCP in windows, and its an open network
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20:23<witte>oloughlin75: iwlist wlan0 scan
20:23<enouf>fiyawerx_: you can join #flood and use your irc client to output into that channel
20:24<fiyawerx_>enouf: yeah but i'd have to type it all in, can't get booted on the desktop
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20:24<oloughlin75>witte, two acess points
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20:24<fiyawerx_>i can type in the kernel line from grub if you want
20:24<enouf>fiyawerx_: you can join ##flood not #flood and use your irc client to output into that channel
20:24<ZeuZ>how do I remove a broken package that has uncomplied dependencies from the broken queue?
20:25<witte>oloughlin75: maybe you have to set your essid
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20:25<witte>!tell enouf about pastebin pipe
20:25<oloughlin75>iwconfig wlan0 essid?
20:26<dmobi>hi. is rc.local good place to put route add default gw?
20:26<witte>oloughlin75: i think iwconfig wlan0 ssid=name, but i am terribly unsure and don't have wireless here
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20:26<witte>oloughlin75: man iwconfig
20:26<fiyawerx_>ok im not liking this irc client, blah
20:26<oloughlin75>witte, I set it, same results
20:26<oloughlin75>I will try my neighbors wireless and see if itll connect
20:26<gsimmons>dmobi: It's usually better as a "up" command within your /etc/network/interfaces file.
20:27<fiyawerx_>enouf: the entry for grub for the first debian option is root (hd0,2), kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sda3 ro, initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686, savedefault
20:28<oloughlin75>witte, It does not connect to my neighbor' s either.
20:28<fiyawerx_>can't get the text to copy and paste so have to type it in manually, the mb is a gigabyte p965-ds3, e6300 core 2 duo
20:28<witte>oloughlin75: i think it should work, and it is just a matter of wireless configuration, for which you will find better help somewhere on the web :/
20:28<enouf>witte: yes i know - 1st) dpkg is offline and 2nd) '!' is now linked to ravenbird, iinm, and 3rd) neither mine nor your suggestion would help, the machine doesn't boot, though i guess he can boot a livecd and/or ssh into it
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20:28<dmobi>gsimmons: i have different subnets
20:28<dmobi>so both at interfaces and rc.local?
20:28<enouf>witte: oh, and 4th ravenbird doesn't know that factoid - i saw no ouput
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20:29<enouf>fiyawerx_: that all looks fine
20:29<witte>enouf: 5/ you mean i should have sent that factoid to someone else :-)
20:29<oloughlin75>witte, make install isn't working in the directory,
20:29<enouf>fiyawerx_: show mw what #groot= and #kopt= say in menu.lst
20:29<enouf>witte: heh :-p
20:29<fiyawerx_>yeah, somehow during boot its switching to use hdx's instead of sdx's for the drives?
20:30<gsimmons>!tell dmobi -about msg
20:30<fiyawerx_>not sure where to find that, i can't actually get to the menu.lst file, i just hit 'e' on the debian line to get that previous info
20:30<dmobi>gsimmons: thanks, i did not know
20:30<enouf>fiyawerx_: ahh - you can use cat in grub shell
20:30<enouf>IIRC
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20:30<fiyawerx_>ok will check sec
20:30<fiyawerx_>appreciate the help
20:31<witte>oloughlin75: does not work, is not really informative :-)
20:31<gsimmons>oloughlin75: Are you attempting to install the rtl-wifi driver?
20:31<fiyawerx_># kopt=root=/dev/sda3 ro
20:32<oloughlin75>gsimmons, yes... it shows up and everyting, shows access points, but is failing to connect
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20:32<fiyawerx_># groot=(hd0,2)
20:32<gsimmons>oloughlin75: No, I mean, are you literally attempting to install the r8180 module within your system, via "make install"?
20:32<enouf>fiyawerx_: those look fine -- also do this for me "find /boot/system.map" and "cat /boot/grub/device.map" (show me that output) -- to me it seems like your initrd is pooched
20:33<oloughlin75>gsimmons, yes, and that did not work, so I did the "if that doesn' t work" step on the wiki
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20:34<fiyawerx_>device.map = (hd0) /dev/sda
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20:34<gsimmons>oloughlin75: That's fine, you have it permanently installed. I don't believe the install target works (WRT etch) on those driver revisions.
20:35<enouf>fiyawerx_: you do have 4 lines yes? line1)-> root (hd0,2) \n (line2)-> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/sda3 ro \n (line3)-> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686 \n (line4)-> savedefault
20:35<oloughlin75>gsimmons, do you know what to do with a "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" in dmesg
20:35<fiyawerx_>in the menu.lst yes, not in the device.map
20:35<enouf>fiyawerx_: ok, what about your hardware, it's a laptop with a sata cdrom? which make/model?
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20:36<fiyawerx_>nope, desktop, just using the laptop for irc
20:36<enouf>right, i was backtracking in menu.lst fiyawerx_
20:36<fiyawerx_>seagate 320gb baracuda drive
20:36<enouf>ok
20:36<gsimmons>oloughlin75: If you're not using IPv6, you can ignore that message.
20:36<fiyawerx_>not sure the exact model of the dvd drive
20:36<enouf>fiyawerx_: so, HDD == Sata , CDrom == Sata? only one of each?
20:37<fiyawerx_>correct
20:37<enouf>ok
20:37<oloughlin75>gsimmons, I don't think I am. i want to smash my laptop
20:37<fiyawerx_>other distro's always have had cdrom as sr0, hdd as /dev/sda3 for me
20:37<fiyawerx_>just the way it detected during install, its just during boot it seemed to switch things, wonder if i need some boot flag for something
20:37<enouf>fiyawerx_: can you check the BIOS for Sata mode for me? maybe under even IDE Config - look for Native, Compatibilty, Raid, AHCI
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20:38<enouf>no, you shouldn't, linux doesn't use boot flags
20:38<oloughlin75>gsimmons, is sending on Socket/fallback normal for dhclient?
20:39<oloughlin75>gsimmons, the line before it is sending on /LPF/wlan0/mac adress
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20:39<enouf>fiyawerx_: FWIW - some info about what i was asking about in BIOS http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#combined
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20:40<fiyawerx_>ah, was thinking i recalled something about a noprobe option somewhere but don't remember the details
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20:41<enouf>fiyawerx_: yes, ide=noprobe or similar-- ill find it for you
20:41<oloughlin75>blah still won't connect
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20:41<fiyawerx_>sata ahci mode disabled
20:41<fiyawerx_>sata port0-3 native mode disabled
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20:42<enouf>fiyawerx_: please enable AHCI mode
20:42<fiyawerx_>onboard sata/ide device enabled, onboard sata/ide ctrl mode IDE
20:42<fiyawerx_>should that ctrl mode be ahci?
20:42<gsimmons>oloughlin75: Before that, have you configured your wireless interface (using iwconfig) to connect to an access point? You'll at least need to set the essid and operating mode (eg. "managed") on the device.
20:42<enouf>fiyawerx_: just doing that should fix it - ... what are those ctrl mode options?
20:43<fiyawerx_>ide ahci raid/ide
20:43<enouf>fiyawerx_: ahci there too
20:43<fiyawerx_>rgr
20:43<oloughlin75>gsimmons, I set the essid
20:43<fiyawerx_>here goes
20:43<oloughlin75>not the operating mose though, ill tyr it
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20:44<witte>oloughlin75: or you could try to install a gui network manager (kdenetwork or network-manager, or something else), and try that. They normally have sensible defaults
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20:44<enouf>fiyawerx_: yep, just so you know - the last one (ide ctrl mode == ahci) will only affect plugged in IDE Devices on the IDE controllers, not the Sata Devices, IINM
20:44<fiyawerx_>enouf: that looks like it did the trick, so all this time i've been running in ide mode
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20:44<fiyawerx_>i wonder what that has been affecting, hah
20:44<enouf>fiyawerx_: yes, older mode ;-)
20:45<oloughlin75>gsimmons, setting mode does not work, ill try network-manager'
20:46<gsimmons>oloughlin75: As witte previously mentioned, this is fairly well documented elsewhere on the web. See also /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and iwconfig(8).
20:46<fiyawerx_>enouf: thanks a million :) got gnome up - fiance's going to kill me soon if i don't go watch a movie, really appreciate the help
20:46<enouf>fiyawerx_: red your Motherboard manual thoroughly about that - i still don't know if you're using the ICH8/9 or whatever - plus then google for info about all those "Modes" and those settings with "linux" in the search pattern
20:46<fiyawerx_>will do
20:46<enouf>fiyawerx_: welcome
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20:59<ubuntu>name
20:59<ubuntu>sevimek isteyen varm
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20:59<ubuntu>a
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20:59<amphi>!tr
20:59<ravenbird>i guess tr is a Toucher rectal
21:00*amphi sighs
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21:22<kurumin>hello
21:23<kurumin>alguem fala portugues
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21:26<path>!pr
21:26<path>:)
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21:30<amphi>path: it would be !pt in any case (or !br) ;)
21:31<path>:D
21:31<path>!pt
21:31<ravenbird>hmm... pt is a Manuel
21:32<path>:\
21:32<path>!br
21:32<ravenbird>br is probably Brazil
21:32<path>haha
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21:32<amphi>kurumin: #debian-br perhaps
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22:05<mike>hey anyone here
22:06<Supaplex>I think I am
22:06<Supaplex>is this a trick question?
22:06<gef>everyone who's anyone is here
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22:06<Supaplex>if this is a test, well... we didn't get to study :(
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22:09<amphi>there's a 'here' here?
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22:10<Supaplex><%-)
22:10<mike>hello was ist los
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22:43<debian_>hello all
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22:53<dmobi>-A INPUT ! -i eth0 -j ACCEPT i have this at iptables. how can i add also eth0:1 ?
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23:32<knoppix_>hello
23:32<knoppix_>:O
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23:45<notunder>I HAVE A HUGE DICK
23:48<path>?
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23:49<path>in your mouth notunder ?
23:49<notunder>ON UR MOMS COOCH
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23:54<dondelelcaro>Killing_Frost: there is hardware that will do that
23:54<Killing_Frost>Would be nice if it would set the blinking clock after a power failure, too.
23:54*dondelelcaro uses one for the dish network box
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