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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-02-26

---Logopened Tue Feb 26 00:00:16 2008
00:01<Ouroboros>man, generating a loop-aes key is such a pain
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00:01<Ouroboros>i wonder if its a vmware issue, or its always like that
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00:04<_jono_>Alright, well im heading off to bed
00:04<_jono_>Thanks for all your help guys
00:05<_jono_>I'll try this again tomorro
00:05<_jono_>w
00:05<_jono_>Night
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00:05<Katya>hi all
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00:07<Katya>i have finished a tutorial video on how to install Debian standard system : 284MB OGV file. i am re-encoding it as MPEG
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00:07<Katya>i finished making it
00:08<Katya>i want to upload it
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00:10<Katya>hello
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00:10<Katya>any one
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00:10<kapil>Katya: what is preventing this upload?
00:10<Katya>dont you think it's huge?
00:11<Katya>280MB
00:11<Odd_Bloke>Katya: Depends if you can find the space to host it anywhere.
00:11<Katya>how big would you tube accept?
00:11<Odd_Bloke>Katya: What resolution is it at?
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00:11<Ouroboros>Katya: resolution? duration?
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00:12<Katya>it was desktop captured
00:12<Katya>lemme check
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00:13<Odd_Bloke>Katya: Google Video will accept up to 100MB through their web-based interface, and more than that through their desktop one.
00:13<Katya>one hour almost
00:14<Ouroboros>Katya: thats fairly small then
00:14<Katya>but as OGV it was 284MB
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00:14<Katya>i am now converting it as MPEG
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00:15<Ouroboros>will it be bigger or smaller
00:15<Katya>it now over 100MB
00:16<Katya>i just donno for later
00:16<Katya>when it's done converting
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00:16<Odd_Bloke>Katya: What resolution is it?
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00:16<^naya_mUtzZ^>jakarta
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00:17<Ouroboros>last time i made a demo video it was 3 GB for 30 min at 1280x1024
00:17<Katya>my current resolution is 1024x768
00:17<Katya>but i dont think i can go less
00:18<Katya>it's good as is now.. the explanation is good i think
00:18<Katya>i have heard myself after recording
00:18<Ouroboros>upload already, i want to watch :)
00:18<Katya>ok
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00:22<Katya>Ouroboros, i am on it.. i'll put on you tube
00:22<Ouroboros>cool
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00:23<Katya>Ouroboros, which section should i put it?
00:23<Katya>i wanna have hits
00:23<zzr>exit
00:23<Katya>or get hits
00:23<Ouroboros>i have no idea, never used youtube
00:23<zzr>quit
00:23<Katya>ok
00:23<Ouroboros>for uploads that is
00:24<Ouroboros>you should put soe keywords like "britney spears"
00:24<Odd_Bloke>Katya: I think you'll find Google Video better for technical content.
00:24<zzr>how to exit irc? I am a newbie using commandline IRC.
00:24<Katya>ok
00:24<Odd_Bloke>zzr: /quit will probably do it.
00:24<Ouroboros>zzr: try /quit
00:25<zzr>Odd_Bloke: Thanks>
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00:30<Katya>Ouroboros, u'll get it in an hour
00:30<Katya>ok bro?
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00:33<Ouroboros>sure
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00:34<Katya>Ouroboros, i am on between 40 to 45 K/s upload speed
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00:34<JustSoul>morning
00:35<Katya>JustSoul, evening from AUtralia
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00:43<Kharn>lo all ...
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01:15<quietfire>\\quiet-phinx\-a..426 (http:\\retro.phinx_attack_washout_timeout.rd).....underground new shit
01:16<quietfire>be warned
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01:17<Supaplex>woopiefsckingdoo
01:18<vook>is that a windows share name?
01:18<Supaplex>heckifIknow
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01:34<Ouroboros>what the hell was that...
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01:35<alaya>i need career advice
01:35<TheBurningShadow>shoot
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01:36<alaya>i hate making decisions
01:36<TheBurningShadow>y
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01:36<alaya>in an ideal world, we wouldn't have to make decisions, we would just be
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01:37<TheBurningShadow>ok, so we're not in an ideal world
01:37<Ouroboros>they have a name for that, i think... i believe its "communism"
01:37<TheBurningShadow>now what
01:37<alaya>our minds and hearts were not designed to differentiate and dissect artificial distinctions between synthetic constructs relating to living
01:38<TheBurningShadow>who says?
01:39<alaya>terms like communism are like applying cartesian math to metaphysics
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01:39<alaya>within such confining systems there is not even a possibility for the existence of ways to indicate meaning and comportment
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01:40<alaya>maybe i just need my mother to help me or something. i don't know. wish she was here.
01:40<TheBurningShadow>do you want to be helped?
01:41<alaya>i need my mother. i like helping people.
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01:41<TheBurningShadow>what country do you live in
01:42<alaya>ok
01:42<TheBurningShadow>?
01:42<alaya>i can see where that will head. no thanks.
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01:42<TheBurningShadow>it will head no were...
01:43<vook>alaya: ok - career advice - be a teacher/professor...
01:43<TheBurningShadow>you have control of your facualties
01:43<alaya>*sigh*
01:44<TheBurningShadow>next subject......
01:45<alaya>vook: that is actually appealing, but totally not possible with my background unfortunately. i live in the US - which should be some indication of the appallling "education" system
01:46<TheBurningShadow>ok..so now we know what country
01:46<alaya>hehe :-)
01:46<TheBurningShadow>nothing more needed
01:46<TheBurningShadow>age?
01:47<vook>alaya: yeah - I too. I hear you though - many ways to give, it's hard to find the most balanced and rewarding way.
01:47<alaya>TheBurningShadow: early middle-aged is that specific enough?
01:47<TheBurningShadow>yep
01:47<vook>TheBurningShadow: comon now.
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01:48<TheBurningShadow>if you look at everything through eyes that are shaded..then thats what you'll see
01:48<Ouroboros>alaya: remember that commercial for some state? i think new mexico? went something like "maybe you are in the right state of mind... just the wrong state"
01:48<alaya>Ouroboros: hehe. that's funny
01:49<alaya>but very possibly true.
01:49<TheBurningShadow>anyone can live anywhere....be anywhere...remember what yado said to luke when asked what was in the forest...
01:49<TheBurningShadow>yoda, "only what you take with you"
01:50<TheBurningShadow>if you have fear in your heart, then thats what you'll find
01:50<TheBurningShadow>everything you'll be afraid of
01:50<TheBurningShadow>you get what's in your heart
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01:50<Ouroboros>that is partially true, but certainly our environment makes a big difference on our perception of reality
01:50<Ouroboros>put a polar bear in the desert, and it will never be happy there
01:51<TheBurningShadow>if dispair...then you'll have a dispairing heart
01:51<alaya>if you had a choice between being a corporal in a really big, strong army, or a general in a tiny one, which would you pick?
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01:51<TheBurningShadow>key word is chance
01:52<TheBurningShadow>hyperthetical questions get us no place
01:52<alaya>choice not chance
01:52<vook>I'd be a general in a tiny army, as long as the climate is nice.
01:52<TheBurningShadow>or choice...but lets not deal in "a maybe reality"
01:52<TheBurningShadow>what's the deal?
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01:52<alaya>whose dealing in maybes?
01:53<alaya>vook: the climate is nice
01:53<TheBurningShadow>is that your choice...
01:54<Ouroboros>alaya: http://newmexico.org/article/loc/news/page/DB-article/article/107.html
01:54<vook>my turn-signals don't work in my current climate (vook's troubles exposed)
01:54<Ouroboros>i got it right :P
01:54<TheBurningShadow>yyyyyaaaawwwwwnnnnnn
01:55<Slydder>morning all
01:55*Supaplex watches the OT meter get warmer and warmer ...
01:55<TheBurningShadow>laterz..i will check in (in) about 25minutes'
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01:55<alaya>thanks Ouroboros
01:56<alaya>sorry Supaplex there was basically 0 convo happening anyway
01:56<Supaplex>mere observation :P
01:56<vook>ooh, except for that totally underground rad stuff!
01:56*Supaplex falls flat asleep into back into $bed zzzZZZZzzzz....
01:56<Ouroboros>i thought Supaplex was talking about scientology
01:56<alaya>its sad that this channel is so dead
01:57<Supaplex>*BUZZER* wrong. :P
01:57<Ouroboros>vook: yeah, what the hell was that?
01:57<alaya>only seems to get active when a lot of europeans are using it which is very early morning for US
01:57<vook>we get lame advertisements in here sometimes. I don't know. I didn't look in to it.
01:57<Ouroboros>probably some IE exploit
01:58<alaya>i want to have a projector projecting irc onto my ceiling so i can lay in bed and watch it scroll by
01:58<Ouroboros>hehe
01:59<alaya>wouldn't that be awesome?
01:59<vook>alaya: you are a super uber nerd! ya, it'd be awesome...
01:59<craigevil>i just have my tux droid read the channel when im not at my desk
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02:01<alaya>check this out: http://www.sage.org/field/jobs-descriptions.html
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02:04<vook>"can boot/shut down a machine"
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02:05<alaya>hehe. yeah. i need to learn more about inter-process communications though...
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02:07<alaya>or figure out *why'* i need to learn more about it
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02:08<alaya>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-process_communication
02:08<alaya>i think i understand file, pipe, and signal pretty well
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02:11<Kharn>can i tell a story about the noob that just rang ...
02:11<Kharn>so dude rings "hey i used to be with (isp) then i was with (my isp), now its saying im with outlook express"
02:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 329] by debhelper
02:12<Kharn>...
02:12<Ouroboros>lol
02:12<Kharn>"outlook express is an email program" .."are you trying to browse the internet?"
02:12<Kharn>no, im trying to get my email ...
02:12<Kharn>and how do you normally do that?
02:12<Kharn>i go to "insert name of original isp"
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02:13<Kharn>ok can i get you to open up *shudder* internet explorer
02:13<Kharn>how do i do that?
02:13<Kharn>ok ... click start
02:13<Kharn>now click internet explorer
02:13<Kharn>i cnat see it ...
02:13<Ouroboros>this sounds like my "how do i know which program i am using now" guy
02:13<Kharn>ok .. what can you see .!?
02:13<Kharn>i see "accessroories ....."
02:13<Kharn>stop
02:13<Kharn>stop
02:13<Kharn>STOP
02:13<Kharn>STOP!
02:13<Kharn>ok ... click the desktop
02:14<Kharn>left or right?
02:14<Kharn>left
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02:14<Kharn>now click start, then dont move the mouse
02:14<Kharn>ok .. start .. all programs ....
02:14<Kharn>NO!
02:14<Kharn>*mute* .. curse curse curse *unmute*
02:14<Kharn>ok ... how do you normally go on the internet?
02:14<Kharn>what .. you mean google?
02:14<Kharn>yeh ... open google for me ...
02:14<chealer>Kharn: stop that
02:15<Kharn>... ok :/
02:15<vook>you're bordering on flood
02:15<Kharn>fair nuff
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02:15<simonrvn>stick it in a file and put it up somewhere
02:16<Ouroboros>hm, just realized oftc is a valid abbreviation for offtopic
02:16<Kharn>hmm .. I should start a blog ...
02:17<alaya>fwiw, here's a really cool article on named pipes (still OT but hopefully slightly less so): http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2156
02:18<Ouroboros>nice, always wondered how to do that
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02:22<vook>I'm currently trying to figure out how to pull data from several different links on a university website (within an instructor login). It's kind of a mess of an web session - sessions encapsulated within sessions (based on ASP). my wget script just keeps pulling the login page.
02:22<vook>It's like a I need wget to login to a form, save some cookies, and then start pulling the data.
02:23<simonrvn>wget can handle auth
02:23<jm_>sounds like a job for perl
02:23<Ouroboros>epiphany + java Robot :)
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02:23<alaya>vook: wget or perl LWP maybe?
02:23<simonrvn>though i think only if it's via a 401
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02:24<vook>ack! I know it can be done :) I just don't know how to do it.
02:24<jm_>perl merchanize module by the sound of it
02:25<vook>simonrvn: what do you mean "auth" ? I'm sending --http-user, etc..
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02:26<vook>simonrvn: ok - yeah. I'm coming to see that it isn't http-authorization. http://user:pass@site doesn't work either.
02:27<jm_>curl can do forms too
02:27<vook>thanks for the suggestions.
02:27<vook>very helpful indeed.
02:28<vook>ok - time for sleep. nite...
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02:28<jm_>wget can also do POST stuff
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03:12<Katya>Ouroboros, i have finished the upload
03:12<Katya>are u still there?
03:13<Katya>guys here is the debian installation tutorial video
03:13<Katya>i have recorded that
03:13<Katya>http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1914893166172726455&hl=en-AU
03:15<Ouroboros>a'ye, lemme check it out
03:15<Katya>http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1914893166172726455&hl=en-AU
03:16<Katya>Ouroboros, the resolution is very bad on flash
03:16<Katya>thas not how i see it on my PC
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03:17<Ouroboros>well yeah
03:18<Katya>now thats not the whole file
03:18<Katya>cos it uploaded while i am reformating as mpeg
03:19<Katya>it was uploaded
03:19<Katya>what about you tube?
03:19<Ouroboros>not sure about that
03:19<Katya>i will delete this one from google
03:20<Katya>but for now i'll leave it for your comments
03:20<Ouroboros>i think the resolution will always be a problem
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03:20<Katya>i'll see
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03:21<Ouroboros>when you uploaded the video, did you upload the full-resolution one?
03:21<Katya>yeah
03:22<Ouroboros>you might do better by rescaling it yourself
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03:22<Ouroboros>it looks like their scaling algorithm is not that great
03:22<Katya>so?
03:22<Katya>scale on a higher res?
03:22<Katya>or to
03:23<Katya>it wont work
03:23<Katya>i think
03:23<Ouroboros>i mean if you know that google will scale to 320x240 or whatever, scale to that resolution yourself
03:23<Ouroboros>it might look better then
03:24<Katya>can i tell that to ffmpeg?
03:24<Katya>lemme see
03:24<Ouroboros>probably
03:24<Ouroboros>i use avisynth for that, but its win32 only
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03:26<Katya>ok
03:26<Katya>so it just re extract it as AVI?
03:26<Ouroboros>?
03:27<Katya>u know mpeg to avi then i upload to google
03:27<Ouroboros>well ffmpeg outputs avis
03:27<Katya>that's what i am thinking of doing
03:27<Ouroboros>what is your original source?
03:27<Katya>uploading Avi
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03:31<Ouroboros>i am not sure whether this is a scaling or compression issue, but you should be able to do better
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03:32<Katya>do u know where i can have direct link upload?
03:33<Katya>or i mean some ftp area?
03:33<Ouroboros>not sure these days
03:33<Ouroboros>myspace? heh
03:34<morgan`>hello
03:34<jm_>Katya: rapidshare
03:35<Katya>i mean something like my own page? like Katya.rapidshare.com
03:36<Ouroboros>Katya: "exercise book" :)
03:36<Katya>and free too
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03:41<Ouroboros>the tutorial itself is pretty good though, quite complete explanations
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03:41<Ouroboros>might want to explain some other options as well, e.g. in the partition editor (raid, lvm etc)
03:42<Ouroboros>but thats like the advanced version of the video
03:42<Katya>well myt aim is at desktop user
03:42<Katya>beginners
03:43<Katya>Ouroboros, in other setup i'll do that
03:43<Ouroboros>also maybe cut out the parts where you are waiting for the installer
03:43<Ouroboros>will help with the size as well
03:43<Katya>well i want to make things feel normal
03:43<Ouroboros>ok, thats fine too
03:43<Katya>as if they are beside the teacher
03:44<Ouroboros>its pretty funny, i am installing a copy of linux while watching your video, they are going at about the same rate :)
03:44<Katya>heh
03:44<Katya>cos my frame recording rate is 24/sec
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03:45<Ouroboros>what tool did you use to record?
03:45<Katya>this ios how your eye catches
03:45<Katya>recordmydesktop
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03:46<Katya>it's the best
03:46<Katya>i tried them all
03:46<Katya>and this one is the best till now
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03:46<Ouroboros>interesting
03:47<Ouroboros>i used vncrec... it's usable, but a pain to convert to a real format
03:47<Katya>your eye frame rate IS 24 Hz
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03:50<Ouroboros>ok, good luck, i am going to sleep
03:51<Katya>thanks
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03:53<hever>Hi how can I execute a program in xterm? For example I'm going to open ssh in a new xterm with some xterm options.... xterm -option ssh wont work...
03:54<amphi>hever: -e command (which needs to be the last arg IIRC)
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03:56<hever>amphi, this opens two xterms ;)
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03:56<amphi>you did xterm -e xterm ? ;)
03:58<hever>oh sorry. I'm at xfce and had also run in terminal on... thanks
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04:18<dirk>how do I remove a folder in the terminal?
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04:18<dirk>using the terminal...
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04:19<Lynoure>rmdir /home/dirk/foldertoremove or rm -r /home/dirk/foldertoremove if it contains stuff
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04:19<raz0rsedge_>Hi there.
04:20<Lynoure>dirk: or whatever you path to the folder is...
04:20<Katya>debian tutorial installation http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1914893166172726455&hl=en-AU i made that
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04:21<dirk>lynoure, thanks
04:22<ct529>hi everybody! does anyone know where to get the eclipse 3.3 packages for ubuntu/debian?
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04:31<raz0rsedge_>is there a channel that i can join for help with kde3? couldn't find any...
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04:33<gsimmons>raz0rsedge_: Try #debian-kde, or one of the other channels listed on http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels
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04:35<raz0rsedge_>gsimmons: thx for the information.
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04:36<sugarmice>Hi chaps - anyone aware of the recent update to iceape causing it to crash after sending mail?
04:36<sugarmice>I have several users reporting this, and have confirmed it myself
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04:38<alaya>sugarmice: checked the BTS?
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04:44<sugarmice>Yes, nothing in the BTS at all
04:45<sugarmice>But I may have been looking in the wrong part... probably should have been looking under iceape-mailnews
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04:50<sugarmice>Nope - nothing under iceape-mailnews either
04:50<sugarmice>I'm backporting the lenny package to etch now to see if that has it as well
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05:00<bcochofel>Hi, I have an MP3 usbdrive and I was having problems copying files to the device so I've decided to format it
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05:00<bcochofel>Now I can't use it anymore. gparted shows me 117Mb unpartitioned space, my device is 512Mb
05:00<bcochofel>How can I format my usbdrive and be able to use it in windows?
05:01<jm_>repartition it first
05:01<bcochofel>jm_: I've tried with cfdisk and type 06 (fat16)
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05:02<bcochofel>jm_: I'm getting errors when I connect the device on etch
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05:02<jm_>bcochofel: you also need to mkfs it
05:02<bcochofel>jm_: I've done: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb
05:02<bcochofel>jm_: then cfdisk, then mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdb
05:02<bcochofel>no good
05:03<jm_>bcochofel: no not sdb ...
05:03<jm_>partition it, then mkfs the partition
05:04<bcochofel>jm_: sorry, how can I do that?
05:04<jm_>bcochofel: fdisk/cfdisk/sfdisk ..., then mkfs /dev/sdb1 or whatever it is
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05:04<bcochofel>jm_: ok, in cfdisk I should choose fat16 , right?
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05:06<jm_>bcochofel: for example
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05:07<bcochofel>jm_: I've done cfdisk, choose primary FAT16 and then mkfs /dev/sdb1. How can I check if everything is alright?
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05:08<jm_>bcochofel: mount it?
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05:09<bcochofel>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
05:09<bcochofel>with: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/
05:10<jm_>omit -t vfat
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05:10<jm_>bcochofel: you may want to use mkfs.vfat if you want to use it in Windows too
05:11<bcochofel>jm_: sorry, I get mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock
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05:11<bcochofel>gparted lists the device has 117... Mb
05:11<bcochofel>don't know what's wrong
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05:12<jm_>bcochofel: what does /proc/partitions say? what does kernel say when you plug it in?
05:13<jm_>for me it says SCSI device sdb: 507904 512-byte hdwr sectors (260 MB)
05:13<bcochofel>jm_: /proc/partitions: 8 17 1954440 sdb1
05:13<bcochofel>jm_: dmesg SCSI device sdb: 244352 2048-byte hdwr sectors (500 MB)
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05:14<bcochofel>but then I get: sdb: rw=0, want=3909120, limit=977408 Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 488609, sdb: rw=0, want=3909120, limit=977408
05:14<bcochofel>I also have sdb: p1 exceeds device capacity
05:14<jm_>bcochofel: 1954440 is way wrong, try using fdisk
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05:16<bcochofel>jm_: ok, I'm using fdisk. When I do verify I get: 977407 unallocated sectors
05:16<bcochofel>Is this ok?
05:17<jm_>bcochofel: no, try this first - exit from fdisk, run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 ; then fdisk it again
05:18<bcochofel>jm_: should I use the o flag for create a new DOS partition?
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05:20<jm_>bcochofel: what's an o flag?
05:20<bcochofel>the o option, sorry. o create a new empty DOS partition table
05:22<bcochofel>jm_: if I choose the o option I get errors. If I choose n to create a new one, I get a linux type
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05:23<bcochofel>jm_: with a linux type partition, when I verify I get: 733627 unallocated sectors
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05:25<jm_>bcochofel: no
05:25<jm_>bcochofel: you can change type with t
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05:34<JustSoul>What's mean ':magnet.oftc.net 338 JustSoul dpkg 255.255.255.255 :actually using host' ?
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05:50<Gekz>o,o
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05:54<bcochofel>jm_: I'm still getting mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock
05:55<jm_>bcochofel: how many sectors does /proc/partitions show for sdb?
05:55<bcochofel>8 16 488704 sdb
05:55<bcochofel> 8 17 487560 sdb1
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05:56<jm_>it should say twice as little as kernel normally
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05:57<bcochofel>SCSI device sdb: 244352 2048-byte hdwr sectors (500 MB)
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05:58<bcochofel>jm_: I don't know what could be wrong
05:58<jm_>ahh ok, it's 2048 byte sectors, so that's almost a million 512 ones
05:58<bcochofel>I've tried formatting the usbdrive on windows but still I get errors mounting it on linux
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05:58<jm_>bcochofel: did you mkfs /dev/sdb1?
05:59<bcochofel>jm_: I did mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1
05:59<jm_>bcochofel: ok, what do you see in the logs when you try to mount it?
06:00<bcochofel>jm_: /var/log/syslog ?
06:00<bcochofel>Feb 26 10:53:50 posto57 kernel: FAT: logical sector size too small for device (logical sector size = 512)
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06:01<jm_>bcochofel: well then, you need to rerun mkfs.vfat
06:01<jm_>bcochofel: did you try mkfs/vfat -F 32 ?
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06:07<padski>why is /etc/network/run in /etc ?
06:07<padski>cd run
06:07<padski>oops :-)
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06:11<gsimmons>JohnGH: You can instruct aptitude to not treat recommendations as dependencies by supplying the -R option.
06:13<JohnGH>gsimmons: thank you
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06:23<bcochofel>jm_: I've done mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1
06:23<AndyJ>Hi ppl, what should I do in fstab to make a drive unmount cleanly on shutdown?
06:24<bcochofel>I get the same results on dmesg
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06:25<jm_>bcochofel: hmm
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06:26<AndyJ>fstab currently has: /dev/sdb1 /data ext2 user 0 1
06:27<AndyJ>but it's not unmounting cleanly
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06:27<bcochofel>jm_: I have this on fdisk: /dev/sdb1 1 254 487560 6 FAT16
06:27<AndyJ>If I try to unmount as a user the error is "only root can unmount this drive"
06:27<Woet>ProFTPd has default: Umask 022 022. This results into a chmod of 644. How to change it so the default becomes 666?
06:28<Woet>(the chmod)
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06:28<jm_>AndyJ: the same user as mounted it?
06:28<bcochofel>jm_: mkfs.vfat takes little time to complete. Is this normal?
06:28<AndyJ>jm_: it's mounting automatically in fstab
06:28<jm_>Woet: see how leading 0 becomes 6 and 22 becomes 44?
06:28<jm_>AndyJ: use users then
06:28<jm_>bcochofel: you mean it's very fast?
06:28<bcochofel>jm_: yep
06:28<jm_>bcochofel: yes
06:28<Woet>jm_: no?
06:29<Woet>jm_: what umask is the same as chmod 666?
06:29<jm_>Woet: blah, read what I said again
06:29<jm_>!umask
06:29<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa
06:29<AndyJ>jm_: so user is a typo? should read /data ext2 users?
06:29<jm_>AndyJ: no, "user" and "users" have different meanings - man fstab
06:29<AndyJ>reading
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06:30<jm_>AndyJ: but still, this doesn't have much to do with shutdown
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06:30<Woet>jm_: cant you just say the umask i should have?
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06:31<jm_>Woet: I can, but then you would have learned nothing
06:31<Woet>jm_: Well, if i see the link between 022 and 644, and XXX - 666
06:31<Woet>i might understand it.
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06:33<bcochofel>jm_: I'm still getting mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock
06:33<jm_>Woet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umask will explain it better than me
06:34<Woet>i already looked there
06:35<jm_>and you don't understand that logic?
06:35<jm_>bcochofel: hmm has it ever worked before?
06:35<bcochofel>jm_: yep
06:36<bcochofel>jm_: I was having trouble copying some .mp3 files. Something like scrambled at the finish of the file with another mp3
06:36<bcochofel>so I wento to format the drive. That's when my problem started
06:36<AndyJ>jm_: Aha! mtab contains the following line: /dev/sdb1 /data ext2 rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0
06:37<jm_>bcochofel: perhaps the drive is bad?
06:37<bcochofel>jm_: don't think so. Under windows it formats
06:38<jm_>bcochofel: that doesn't mean much, especially not with quick format - plus, if you format it in Windows, you should still be able to read it in Linux
06:38<bcochofel>jm_: not quick format
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06:39<bcochofel>jm_: what do I need to do to format it with ext2/3 ?
06:39<bcochofel>so I can test it under linux. Copy some files
06:40<Woet>jm_: i dont see the differences between chmod and umask
06:40<Wesley>Does anyone know a decent MSN proxy for debian?
06:40<bcochofel>jm_: Disk /dev/sdb: 500 MB, 500432896 bytes
06:40<bcochofel>Is this right?
06:41<bcochofel>16 heads, 60 sectors/track, 254 cylinders
06:42<bcochofel>jm_: mkfs /dev/sdb1 will format the partition with the type that was created, right?
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06:42<jm_>bcochofel: mkfs formats using ext2
06:42<Woet>Could anyone give me the Umask of 666 in chmod?
06:42<jm_>bcochofel: no, with the type specified via -t switch
06:42<jm_>Woet: umask is negation
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06:43<bcochofel>jm_: well, I did mkfs /dev/sdb1, then mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
06:43<bcochofel>no errors
06:43<Woet>jm_: i just need the umask of chmod 666, am i asking that much?
06:44<jm_>Woet: am I asking that much in trying to get you to think about what's on wikipedia and apply to your example? or to apply my example?
06:44<jm_>really, it's not about it being "much" - if I thought it was, I wouldn't bother helping you
06:44<bcochofel>jm_: I can copy files and all with no problems
06:44<bcochofel>jm_: My problem is that the mp3 reader doesn't read ext2 :(
06:45<Woet>Like i said before jm_, i read wikipedia, i read your explaination
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06:45<Woet>i dont get it.
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06:45<jm_>Woet: ok, so try 000 then
06:45<a4ndr3c>hi witch command tells me my distrubution
06:46<jm_>bcochofel: ok, try to format it in windows, then mount it in Linux
06:46<Woet>jm_: is 000 the same as 666 in chmod?
06:47<jm_>a4ndr3c: lsb_release
06:47<jm_>Woet: it will give you the same result, yes
06:47<Woet>Thank you.
06:47<kmap>a4ndr3c: cat /etc/issue.net as well
06:47<bcochofel>jm_: one more thing. Using autofs and auto.removable how can I tell fstype to auto?
06:48<jm_>bcochofel: you don't need to tell it, mount will figure it out on its own
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06:49<bcochofel>usbdrive --fstype=vfat,rw,gid=513,umask=0022 :/dev/sdb1
06:49<bcochofel>jm_: can I safely remove --fstype ?
06:50<AndyJ>Hey ho! changing user to users means I can manually unmount as a user now, but it's still not unmounting cleanly on shutdown
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06:51<AndyJ>I thought I saw an error go past... "device busy" is there a shutdown log somewhere?
06:51<jm_>bcochofel: yes
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06:51<bcochofel>jm_: with: usbdrive rw,gid=513,umask=0022 :/dev/sdb1 I get mount(nfs): host rw: lookup failure
06:51<jm_>AndyJ: device busy means something is keeping files open, pretty weird at that point
06:52<jm_>bcochofel: then use -fstype=auto
06:52<AndyJ>jm_: The only odd thing I can think of is a symlink from the user's folder to this device...
06:53<jm_>AndyJ: lsof/fuser will tell you which it is
06:53<bcochofel>jm_: mount(generic): failed to mount /dev/sdb1 (type auto) on /var/autofs/removable/usbdrive
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06:54<AndyJ>bcochofel: I came late to this discussion... is your device a usb scsi drive?
06:54<bcochofel>AndyJ: yep
06:54<AndyJ>bcochofel: K. Sorry to interrupt
06:55<jm_>bcochofel: check the logs
06:55<victor>document viewer and gnome terminal are automatically lauched on start up, why?
06:55<bcochofel>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
06:56<victor>they're not included in the startup programs.
06:56<jm_>bcochofel: does it work if you do it manually?
06:56<bcochofel>jm_: yep
06:56<bcochofel>mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt works just fine
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06:56<jm_>bcochofel: wtf, I use usb -fstype=vfat,noatime,gid=floppy,fmask=117,dmask=007,umask=007 :/dev/sdb1 and it works fine
06:57<bcochofel>not vfat
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06:57<jm_>let me try with auto
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06:57<jm_>but since I use auto for CD-s and it works there ...
06:58<bcochofel>jm_: what's the diff between fmask, dmask, and umask?
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06:58<jm_>bcochofel: 'man mount' explains them
06:58<jm_>yeah auto works fine for me
06:59<client01>makassar
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07:00<rahuljk2002>hi
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07:00<bcochofel>jm_: that means my partition type isn't right?
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07:03<jm_>bcochofel: partition type is irrelevant in Linux
07:04<ali28>hello to everybody, are there any issue using distcc between etch and lenny, they just need to use the same compilers right? and between different arch's, like 64bit and 32bit?
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07:04<ali28>thanks
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07:06<bcochofel>jm_: no good. only works manually
07:06<packetstorm>hello
07:06<jm_>bcochofel: try verbose mode for autofs
07:07<bcochofel>jm_: sorry, how can I enable that?
07:07<AndyJ>jm_: I've had a good look at lsof and fuser - but can't see anything odd - Iceweasel has a lot of stuff open, but I close it before shutdown anyway.
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07:08<jm_>bcochofel: /etc/default/autofs
07:08<bcochofel>thx
07:08<jm_>AndyJ: you need to run it when umount happens
07:10<AndyJ>jm_: Am I missing a step? Do I need to manually add a umount somewhere?
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07:10<ali28>I think i'm about to loose my encrypted partition, an upgrade want to change my /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf that contain the key with a config file that contain configurations and cryptsetup also is giving me trouble to upgrade
07:10<ali28>i have the whole root encrypted
07:10<jm_>AndyJ: no, just check what lsof says when umount is called from init scripts
07:11<ali28>and i'm running unstable
07:11<kapil>ali28: there should be /boot/initrd*.bak
07:12<ali28>yes i see it
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07:12<ali28>that contain the key also right?
07:13<ali28>so where should i put they key i have on the root partition ( a part back it up) to go in the initramfs next time get updated?
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07:13<kapil>ali28: yes you can unpack it by something like "mkdir /tmp/initrd.copy; cd /tmp/initrd.copy; zcat /boot/initrd.bak | cpio -idumv"
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07:14<kapil>ali28: no idea. my initrd prompts me for a luks passphrase.
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07:19<ali28>kapil, but you have your certificate somewhere in your root directory or /etc
07:19<ali28>?
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07:20<kapil>ali28: no. the luks system is a way to store the data on the initial block of the disk. look at cryptsetup man page.
07:21<ali28>i'm not sure if i'm using luks, i'm sure i'm using encryption over lvm
07:22<kapil>ali28: that does not solve your problem right now! for you currently you find the key on the backed-up initrd and put it in the same place on the new initrd and make sure that the scripts exist.
07:22<ali28>luks is when you mount an encrypted image on loop ?
07:22<ali28>yes
07:23<kapil>ali28: not all encrypted images are luks images. some keep the key externally like yours seems to do.
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07:37*packetstorm ïîñëàïàë packetstorm
07:37<Gekz>..
07:37<Gekz>right
07:37<Gekz>so, gdm or console login?
07:37<Gekz>i'm trying to decide
07:39<ecto>if you're planning on running X at all, I'd run gdm (or kdm, etc.)
07:39<ecto>Gekz: ^^^
07:39<Gekz>why
07:39<ecto>cleaner than running startx, IMO
07:39<Gekz>it's not rocket science to type startxfce4 like I have been for the past 3 years
07:39<Gekz>:P
07:39<ali28>i survived thanks kapil now i know more
07:40<philipo>Gekz: Why ask if you know all the answers yourself?
07:40<Gekz>philipo: I'm wondering if there's an amazing pro that I havent seen yet
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07:40<ecto>Gekz: no, it's not rocket science. but if you ever anticipate a non-technical user accessing your machine (as guest, or whatever), having gdm running will be more friendly
07:41<Gekz>:)
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07:41<ecto>also, running gdm can help you separate whether it's an actual X server config problem, or a problem with your login environment
07:42<padski>Gekz, see http://www.lechatnoirboutique.com/prodimages/Coffee%20Mug%20-%20Far%20Side%20Rocket%20Scientists.jpg
07:43<Gekz>padski: lol
07:43<ecto>nub question: If I installed my debian system ver 4.0r2, and I want to upgrade to 4.0r3, it's as simple as "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade", right?
07:44<jm_>yes
07:45<ecto>what's the latest kernel version I can get in 4.0r3? I was on a customer's system, and they had 2.6.22, whereas even after the upgrade I only have 2.6.18 available. Of course, I'm not 100% that system was etch, so that may be the discrepancy...
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07:47<ce_kafe>he
07:48<jm_>2.6.18
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07:51<ecto>jm_: OK. I figured my customer must have been lying then. Thanks!
07:51<jm_>no, one can compile their own or use backports
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07:52<jm_>but it's definitely not from Debian stable release
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07:53<ecto>jm_: I knew that much, but I wanted to stick with stable
07:53<ecto>Oh, nevermind
07:54<ecto>well, no... now that I think about it... I used apt to upgrade to 2.6.22, so he must have been on lenny (or sid)
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08:07<padski>why is /etc/network/run in /etc ?
08:10<sep>padski, perhaps it's not certain that /var is mounted at the time ?
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08:11<ecto>/etc/network/run doesn't contain the same things as /var/run, I don't think
08:11<padski>sep, istr /var/run is needed before /var :-)
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08:12<petemc>that doesnt sound very logical
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08:12<ecto>er, /var/run/network on my system is empty, and /etc/network/run is not
08:12<padski>ecto, similar enough that /var/run seems like a better choice.
08:12<heroxbd> how to build debian.exe on http://goodbye-microsoft.com ? Can win32-loader source generate it?
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08:12<ecto>padski: I don't think they're for the same things
08:12<padski>petemc, its not ideal :-)
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08:12<ecto> /etc is for configuration, /var/run is for running processes/subsystems...
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08:13<ecto>so, /etc/network/run is not the same as /var/run/network
08:14<padski>if I understood what it is properly, then /etc/network/run/ifstate is the kind of thing I would put in /var, not /etc
08:15<petemc>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302519
08:16<petemc>gives info on it
08:18<padski>petemc, thanks. I should have thought to check the bugreports first
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08:41<joatha>hi
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09:12<kurumin>oi
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09:14<erban>in italiano
09:15<erban>dove si trova
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09:15<erban>qualcuno parla italiano
09:15<erban>?????
09:15<cdlu>!it
09:15<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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09:26<DTE>hi all
09:26<DTE>i have a problem with courier-imap and the initscript
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09:27<DTE>i have to check the status of courier-imap but the init script doesn't have a status or check option
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09:28<sasha>тут русские есть ?
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09:29<root-shell>exit
09:29<root-shell>quit
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09:30<sasha> Russian is here?
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09:30<noflash>!ru
09:30<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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09:38<shamess>(Fairly new to Debian.) So, I have nano 2.0.2, but the nano site says 2.0.7 is the latest stable. Doesn't /apt-get upgrade install that?
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09:38<Freedom>hello
09:38<Freedom>need help I am new in debian and linux as well
09:39<petemc>shamess: no, stable only gets security updates
09:39<Freedom>i would like to know how to stop a start processes
09:39<petemc>Freedom: daemons are controlled by init scripts in /etc/init.d/
09:39<Freedom>for expample I would like to restart bind, apache2 and webmin
09:40<petemc> /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
09:40<shamess>Right, so how do I upgrade non-security updates in programs (are they called binaries, aren't they?)?
09:40<petemc>shamess: look for backports if you feel you need more up to date packages
09:41<petemc>Freedom: rndc reload will reload zone files
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09:41<petemc>Freedom: you can use apache2ctl restart to reload apache, or use the script in /etc/init.d/
09:42<Freedom>thax
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09:44<shamess>I'm a little confused. "Backports are recompiled packages from testing (mostly) and unstable (in a few cases only, e.g. security updates)" Isn't that talking about unstable stuff? I just want to upgrade to nano 2.0.7...
09:44<petemc>no, backports arent upgrading
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09:50<Freedom>it sound stupid but j cant find how to remove user home directory
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09:51<Freedom>when i "rv -d directory name" it say that I cant delete directory please help
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09:51<petemc>rm -rf deletes a directory - be very careful
09:51<noflash>Freedom, man rm
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09:52<petemc>deluser --remove-home might work better in the future
09:52<Freedom>sorry sure its nor rv i mean rm
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09:53<Freedom>thanks again
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09:59<Freedom>another question
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10:00<Freedom>I would like to create user which should have all the rights as root does
10:00<petemc>dont do that, use sudp
10:00<Freedom>cos I dont want to user root account to manage debian
10:00<petemc>sudo
10:00<Freedom>how to do this best?
10:00<Freedom>in what group I should ad this new user?
10:00<petemc>aptitude install sudo
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10:01<usuario>usuario
10:02<usuario>olaaa
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10:02<usuario>como estas
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10:03<Pryon>my hovercraft is full of eels
10:03<usuario>yo bien y tu
10:03<usuario>cont
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10:07<Freedom>thax petemc
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10:14<Freedom>petemc another question when someone install windows it comes with firewall, which is quite stupid, but some people have a feeling that its emprove security for their windows and that their computer is more secure its somethink like that in debian that I dont need to configure only install and....
10:16<petemc>what would it do?
10:16<Freedom>my debian should work as a DNS server
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10:16<Freedom>and I need a feeling that wich my lack of knowledge I does all I can to be little more secure
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10:18<Freedom>and I need a feeling that with my lack of knowledge I does all to secure my debian
10:18<petemc>there are frontends to iptables like shorewall
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10:18<petemc>really tho, unless you know what you want to allow/block, i dont see any point
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10:19<Freedom>i just need that dns port is working, ssh, a webmin thats all i need to leave open
10:20<petemc>if you're using webmin, forget about being secure
10:21<Freedom>and what about ssh ?
10:21<petemc>perfectly fine
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10:21<Freedom>i use webmin cos for beginers its very usefull
10:21<petemc>thats what everyone uses
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10:21<padski>except donelcaro ;-)
10:22<padski>sorry, dondelelcaro
10:22<petemc>that == ssh
10:22<padski>ah! yes :-)
10:22<Freedom>i am using puty to conect to my debian is this OK in way of security?
10:23<petemc>yes
10:23<petemc>Freedom: the whole idea of blithely using firewalls is very stupid, just make sure you're only running what you need - default debian shouldnt have too much exposed anyway
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10:24<petemc>aptitude remove portmap
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10:25<Freedom>on my debian only I need BIND cos I need DNS and I install all neede to run webmin thats all I install
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10:26<Freedom>there is no problem to uninstal webmint at all
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10:29<Freedom>petemc u are working like linux admin or u are only a fan of linux?
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10:31<petemc>i work with it
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10:37<hstagni>h
10:37<Freedom>where I can find list of process which starts on boot
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10:37<piju>Freedom; just install sysv-rc-conf
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10:38<padski>or main init
10:38<Freedom>piju why? what is it for aplication and what it does?
10:38<padski>sorry, man init
10:38<piju>Freedom; u can enable or disable the process using it
10:39<Freedom>piju thanx
10:39<piju>theno problem
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10:40<padski>!startup
10:40<dpkg>rumour has it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel>
10:42<shamess>I wanna remove package f00, but before I do I obviously wanna check if anything depends on it. How'd I do that?
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10:43<padski>apt-get --dry-run remove
10:44<padski>but in practice it is interactive anyways
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10:47<DTE>anybody knows if the courier-imap in sid have the status check in the initscript?
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10:50<shamess>http://www.pastebin.ca/919062 Why isn't ircd being removed?
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10:54<gsimmons>DTE: The init script in 'courier-imap' version 4.3.0.20081027-1 accepts only start, stop, restart and force-reload as arguments.
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10:55<pi3>I'm trying to make my Micronet SP907GH wifi antenna to work but I have had no luck, anyone can help me, please?
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10:57<DTE>gsimmons: thanks
10:58<DTE>so i have to modify the initscript...uff
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11:00<gsimmons>shamess: `apt-cache' only queries APT's package cache. You'd probably want to use "dpkg -l | grep ircd" instead.
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11:05<Ankho>hi all
11:10<shamess>Oh, right. Should I update that cache then?
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11:49<Rolo|Alathair_IG>hi there, is it possible to get the boot.iso on a USB Flash via Windows to later install debian from that usb and netinst?
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11:50<petemc>!usb install
11:50<dpkg>from memory, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian)
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11:51<Rolo>yip i know that, the section explains how to do it under a working Linux Distro, but as i don't have one, i will have to install the kernel into te MBR of the USB Flash via Windows?
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11:53<pumpkin0>Rolo: all the tools in that guide are available for windows.
11:53<Rolo>okay so i will have a look where to get'em, thanks
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11:58<padski>/etc/init.d/skeleton says 'do not "set -e"', why ? is it just to do stuff like log_end_msg ?
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12:34<blarson>!tell morfeo about es
12:35<gangsta>!tell morfeo about es
12:35<gangsta>!tell morfeo about es
12:35<gangsta>:P
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12:35<azeem>gangsta: no need to repeat
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12:51<Marou>hey, my package manager is broken and it wants to uninstall my x environment gnome, and so forth, the 3 offending files are libc6-dev, locales, and binutils. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix? (running stable)
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12:51<azeem>Marou: paste the full output to a pastebin
12:51<azeem>!paste
12:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:54<Marou>pasted
12:54<azeem>now paste the link here
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12:55<Marou>http://paste.debian.net/49968
12:56<ravi>hi, links' curses dialog box is not getting rendered properly
12:56<ravi>what might be the reason?
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12:56<azeem>Marou: you seem to have testing/unstable lines in sources.list
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12:56<ravi>I am using Debian Etch
12:58<ravi>has anyone here install sup, the MUA, on Debian Etch?
12:58<ravi>I meant, installed sup?
12:58<azeem>ravi: try to ask a specific question
12:59<azeem>maybe people who have not installed sup know the answer as well, but you'd never find out
12:59<ravi>ok
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13:00<ravi>gem install sup, wants to install ncurses but later gem dies saying "ERROR: While executing gem ... (Runtime Error)
13:00<ravi>"
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13:01<azeem>gem?
13:01<ravi>rubygems
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13:01<azeem>ravi: well, that looks like a rubygems bug/issue to me then
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13:05<ravi>hmm... all curses windows appear to be broken, is this due to the locale chosen? (en_IN)
13:05<azeem>ravi: maybe
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13:07<ravi>azeem: how to change the default locale?
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13:07<azeem>ravi: select it in gdm, for example
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13:13<Marou>need halp with apt, what happened is I was looking for an easy way to get the java JDK and I linked in a repository without realizing it was testing. When it went to pull down, I stopped it, but not before it had gotten 3 packages. Now I need to fix the 3 packages back to the stable version. Output here on apt-get upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/49973
13:13<azeem>Marou: did you run apt-get update again after your reverted to stable?
13:15<Marou>I ran apt-get update, it completes with no problems
13:15<azeem>ok
13:15<azeem>Marou: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy binutils" as well
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13:17<Marou>pasted: http://paste.debian.net/49974
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13:23<azeem>Marou: ok, try "apt-get install binutils=2.17-3 libc6-dev=2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 locales=2.3.6.ds1-13etch5"
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13:25<Marou>Thanks azeem, I really appreciate the help. That fixed my apt issues
13:25<azeem>cool
13:26<Marou>next time this happens (I'm sure it will cause I'm fast to link repos) I'll have a better frame of reference to try and fix it. heh
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13:26<Marou><--just installed deb 2 days ago
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13:26<azeem>Marou: basically, apt never downgrades packages, so you have to manually override with the (in this case stable) version you need
13:26<azeem>which is done by adding =1234.4. after the package to force a specific version
13:27<Marou>Groovy, I was going to try and use dpkg to try and force downgrade to the versions I knew worked but was scared I might jack up my system so I figured I'd check here first
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13:31<Marou>I have another question, since I'm here...maybe someone will know the answer. On my machine (macbook pro, core duo, circa 2006) when I boot into X, I have no speaker output, but headphones work. Interestingly, when I unplug my headphones my speakers start working, like it causes something somewhere to be recognized. Has anyone figured out how to make this init (or whatever is happening) fire automagically in the current stable deb?
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13:36<Aleric>I found a cool page: http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
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13:41<Marou>bookmarkd
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13:43<Dinobe>nl
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13:51<margalida>hola
13:51<hathe|>Marou: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro
13:52<margalida>hola
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14:00<alia^>alguien me puede ayudar? necesito un programa d dibujo vectorial
14:00<Acidz0r>alia^, Inkscape.
14:01<Acidz0r>!es
14:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:01<alia^>Acidz0r, merci
14:02<Acidz0r>alia^, np.
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14:04<path>!it
14:04<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
14:04<path>!br
14:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:04<path>!de
14:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
14:04<path>!ru
14:04<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
14:04<path>its just an script pwd :)
14:04<path>a*
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14:04<path>!stats
14:04<dpkg>Since Tue Feb 26 12:05:02 2008, there have been 0 modifications, 31 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 4 commands. I have been awake for 6h 59m 34s this session, and currently reference 37945 factoids. I'm using about 15472 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 14.44/0.98 child 0.01/0.02
14:04<path>!dstats
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14:05<path>!dstats lenny
14:05<path>dont remember the command
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14:05<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22725 packages, 1919 maintainers, 58546 MB installed size, 20308 MB compressed size.
14:05<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 21614 packages, 1880 maintainers, 54462 MB installed size, 18938 MB compressed size.
14:06<path>there you have
14:06<path>:D
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14:06<alia^>Acidz0r, jeje no teng npi d cmo va esto...
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14:07<Acidz0r>alia^, Que?
14:07<alia^>el inskape
14:07<mt_>Hi, I've got a monitor capable of 1600x1200@60hz, but when I try to add vga=799 to the boot options I get an error messeage about it being unavailable. I'm running Lenny. What could I be doing wrong?
14:09<Acidz0r>alia^, es facil de usar, en Google hay muchos tutoriales. :)
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14:11<Acidz0r>mt_, try a lower res? like 794?
14:12<mt_>Okay, I'll try that ;-)
14:12<mt_>Thanks :)
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14:15<eto2>hi all
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14:16<eto2>I just installed debian 4.0r2 on an AMD performa (quad proc)
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14:16<eto2>should: cat /proc/cpuinfo show 4 processors or one?
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14:16<eto2>do I need to roll my own smp kernel?
14:17<Gathond>eto2: 4
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14:17<Gathond>eto2: probably not, but you might have to install an SMP kernel package
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14:17<eto2>Gathond: ok, figured
14:17<Gathond>well an SMP kernel and enabling it in the bios if that can be disabled
14:17<eto2>Gathond: do you know why all the smp kernels are labelled transitional?
14:18<Gathond>probably because the next version has SMP kernels per default I believe
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14:18<eto2>Gathond: ok
14:18<eto2>Gathond: I don't normally use the Debian kernels but I'm getting lazy these days.
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14:21<eto2>I think I might just compile a fresh kernel anyway.
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14:22<eto2>but, thanks for letting me know that it should show up with 4 procs, like I expected
14:22<Gathond>eto2: it is probably possible to disable the cores in the bios though, at least it is on this laptop
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14:22<latzer>hi all
14:23<latzer>how can i configure a packet with special options like --with-ldap by installing it with apt-get
14:23<eto2>Gathond: well, I'll check the BIOS, but that seems a little silly to have on by default
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14:24<Gathond>eto2: true, you could just check the kernel with uname
14:24<latzer>or reconfigure it ?
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14:24<eto2>Gathond: 2.6.18-6-486
14:24<eto2>Gathond: not smp
14:24<Gathond>why bother doing that before AFTER checking if it is worth the trouble
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14:24<Gathond>eto2: ok, then replace it with an SMP one
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14:24<eto2>Gathond: will do
14:25<bloody>pwd: hi
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14:28<pwd>hi bloody
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14:28<pwd>:o
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14:29<andresvia>Hello!
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14:35<latzer>again i've an installed package and i like to reconfigure it with options how can i do that
14:35<mbegomar_>hello
14:36<mbegomar_>do you know a debian repository with kde4?
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14:37<hathe>mbegomar_: experimental
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14:37<mbegomar_>hathe, mm, now I am using unstable
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14:38<hathe>mbegomar_: kde4 is in debian unstable repository
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14:38<mbegomar_>hathe, is it possible install only those packages from experimental and still being unstable?
14:38<hathe>mbegomar_: yes
14:38<mbegomar_>hathe, what should I add on my apt-sources.list?
14:39<hathe>mbegomar_: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html
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14:41<latzer>can somone tell me how to pass options along by doing dpkg-reconfigure ?
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14:41<mbegomar_>hathe, thanks, that is I was looking for :)
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14:50<mbegomar_>hathe, when I do an aptitude -t experimental, the following packages will be installed: dolphin{a} kappfinder{a} kde-icons-oxygen{a} kde4-minimal kdebase{a
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14:50<mbegomar_>hathe, what means the {a} ?
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14:51<hathe>mbegomar_: i never used aptitude as its not 100% save for sid, jsut apt-get here
14:51<dkr>automatically being installed due to adependency
14:52<dkr>I think
14:52<DijitalWench>Is there a work-around to install Lenny (using Daily Net Install Image) for the "Configuring ssl-cert" hang error (that does not involve installing a previous version first)?
14:52<mbegomar_>thanks dkr, hathe
14:52<Shogun>yo everybody
14:52<mbegomar_>hathe, if I want to install packages from experimental using apt-get, what should I type?
14:53<mbegomar_>apt-get -t experimental kde4-minimal?
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14:53<hathe>apt-get install -t experimental <package>
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14:53<mbegomar_>ok thanks hathe
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14:54<mbegomar_>I think this is better too, due to aptitude wanted to remove some texlive packages
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14:56<snorky>hi
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15:06<ptr>Question: say I wanted to use the lame plugin for gstreamer.... which is not in the repository, for obvious reasons
15:06<ptr>has it been packaged by anyone?
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15:06<ptr>never mind.
15:06<ptr>Sorry to bother y'all
15:08<Supaplex>that'll be $30 ;)
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15:23<Negro>olá
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15:53<blarson>!tell rael about test
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16:11<andresvia>exim4 logs says "host lookup did not complete" I'm pinging the both hosts and they respond exim4-config configured with debconf. Ports shows open with nmap. Daemon running, is there anything else no configure?
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16:34<norbert_>hi, kdenlive (non-linear video editing) 0.5 has been out for >6 months and still isn't in stable
16:34<norbert_>I want to continue to use stable, but also want 0.5
16:34<norbert_>backports.org doesn't have it
16:34<norbert_>any ideas?
16:34<dkr>backport it yourself :)
16:34<petemc>stable never gets new software
16:35<norbert_>(I tried compiling the darn thing a couple of months ago, but it uses so many libraries that I had to reinstall Debian after everything messed up)
16:35<norbert_>petemc: yeah, I noticed that, but I don't understand it either
16:35<norbert_>6 months is so much
16:36<dondelelcaro>norbert_: 6 months isn't much time at all, actually.
16:36<dondelelcaro>norbert_: if you need specific software, you just backport it, or have someone backport it
16:36<chealer>norbert_: ask to/pay someone for packaging it?
16:36<norbert_>they are releasing 0.7 in march, that gives you an impression of how long it is
16:36<petemc>you think debian releases should keep up with yoour favourite package?
16:37<norbert_>petemc: yes, I do
16:37<norbert_>if they can't, they should drop packages
16:37<dondelelcaro>norbert_: oh, all software is constantly moving forward, but there are a lot of people who can't afford to upgrade every 6 months, nor can we actually make a release every 6 months that lives up to the quality that we require.
16:37<dondelelcaro>norbert_: and no, droping packages isn't a solution either.
16:37<norbert_>why isn't dropping packages a solution, Debian has what... about 26 thousand packages? it would free some time?
16:38<dondelelcaro>norbert_: because people who package those packages want them to be in Debian.
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16:38<dondelelcaro>norbert_: they want to spend their time having them in Debian.
16:38<chealer>norbert_: dropping a package doesn't make it up-to-date
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16:39<dondelelcaro>norbert_: everyone who works on Debian is a volunteer and works on things they want to work on. If the packages that they actually use aren't included in Debian, then they won't work on Debian at all.
16:39<norbert_>okay, I have another question though... how can kdenlive 0.5 be in testing even though it is >6 months old... is it still not ready for stable? (not tested enough... or?)
16:39<dondelelcaro>norbert_: software in testing only migrates to stable when we make a stable release.
16:40<norbert_>why is that?
16:40<dondelelcaro>norbert_: because otherwise stable wouldn't be stable.
16:40<norbert_>because it could break other packages
16:40<dondelelcaro>it'd be some version of testing with more testing
16:41<dondelelcaro>norbert_: or introduce new features, or require new libraries that requires new packages, etc. In sort, it could break anyone who is using the system in production.
16:41<chealer>norbert_: uh, kdenlive 0.5 isn't in testing.
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16:41<norbert_>chealer: why not? ;-)
16:41<norbert_>I would say kdenlive and kino are the two most used video editing packages
16:42<chealer>norbert_: because nobody packaged kdenlive yet?
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16:42<norbert_>okay
16:43<norbert_>I heard that Ubuntu has more new stuff than Debian, is that correct?
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16:44<norbert_>if they do, does that mean their stable is less stable... or do they have more people working on it, and if so, how did that happen?
16:44<chealer>norbert_: both have several suites. your best bet to get an idea is to check distrowatch
16:44<jthomas>I have a user who wants an RSA or DSA key to autologin to his jailed account, but it isn't working. Anyone have some tips? He does have a shell and does have a /bin/ssh program in his jail
16:44<norbert_>chealer: okay
16:45<bra>which package has LPINFO in it?
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16:46<norbert_>bra: cups?
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16:46<chealer>!tell bra about search
16:47<onewithna>Linux newbie here having problems with hardware and at my wits end.... will someone please help me!?
16:47<chealer>!tell onewithna about ask
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16:50<onewithna>I have a toshiba a215-7422 with new install Debian 4.0r3 etch and cannot get sound (realtek hd audio) and wireless to work... have googled for hours and i am a brainwashed misguided product of microsofts mission to rule the world. I am sincere to get off of vista and on to what i know to be the "real" computing world... if only i could get past the install!
16:50<onewithna>I have tried ndiswrapper and to no vail
16:51<onewithna>but i could be doing something wrong and i really need step by step hold my hand kind of help
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16:52<onewithna>i dont even have the neccesary skills to pre-grather the information to help someone help me as MS is all i know
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16:52<bra>apt-file search lpinfo <-- no results!!!
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16:52<chealer>bra: did you run apt-file update?
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16:53<onewithna>um, no... but i will look into how
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16:56<onewithna>bra, how to you execute the command?
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16:59<shamess_>http://trinity.allroundnews.co.uk/blog/2008/02/26/DNS-servers-are-hard/
16:59<shamess_>Sorry, wrong window.
16:59<bra>onewithna: first install apt-get install apt-file then do apt-file update
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17:00<onewithna>using the package manager right?
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17:01<onewithna>says i have ver. 0.6.46.4.0.1 alreadu installed
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17:02<onewithna>when i try "apt-file update" in terminal as root i get "command not found"
17:03<onewithna>apt-file
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17:06<poiqwepoi>hello all, I configured eth0 with ipv4 and ipv6 site local but at boot time, only ipv4 address and link local are configured but not sitelocal. But if I do "ifdown eth0;ifupeth0" sitelocal comes up; any idea?
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17:10<hlp>hi all. Question about ulimit -m (doesn't work as I expected)
17:10<onewithna>is there a special channel devoted to hardware issues for people who dont know anything at all about linux... i have the brain of a 2yr old when it comes to this... and all i want is to crawl so i can learn to walk.
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17:13<poiqwepoi>onewithna, http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/basics/hw.html
17:14<chealer>onewithna: not really. feel free to ask here
17:14<onewithna>i really dont know how to ask! but thank you for atlease being kind
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17:20<onewithna>what do i do after executing: "ndiswrapper -i fielname.inf" and it was installed?
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17:22<chealer>onewithna: if you don't mind, which chipset does your wireless card use?
17:22<onewithna>rtl8187b
17:22<onewithna>I think ... i am not 100% sure
17:23<chealer>onewithna: sorry, no idea
17:23<onewithna>its a brand new toshiba a215-7422
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17:23<onewithna>i have the 3 xp driver files in root
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17:24<onewithna>i run ndiswrapper -i and that works
17:24<onewithna>then i dont know how to try and make it do anything
17:24<onewithna>how do you show adapter information:
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17:24<onewithna>like wlan or something?
17:25<onewithna>like ipconfig for windows but something for debian?
17:28<chealer>onewithna: # ifconfig
17:29<onewithna>thank you ... i am taking notes.. thats great... but my adapter isnt listed... only the wired eth1
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17:33<poiqwepoi>onewithna, have you tried iwconfig?
17:33<poiqwepoi>or ifconfig -a
17:33<onewithna>nope... i dont know any linux commands... trying now.
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17:35<onewithna>iwconfig gives "no wireless extentions"
17:35<poiqwepoi>doesnt give anything else like wlan0
17:35<onewithna>nope
17:35<poiqwepoi>or ath0
17:35<onewithna>gives.... eth1 no wireless extentions
17:36<onewithna>eth0 no wireless extentions
17:36<onewithna>sit0 no wireless extentions
17:36<poiqwepoi>if you do, lsmod, do you see ndiswrapper?
17:36<chealer>poiqwepoi: ath0 would be for Atheros, he thinks he's using Realtek
17:37<onewithna>no.... i have ndiswrapper installd but not properly configured i believe
17:37<poiqwepoi>ah ok, did not see that part chealer
17:37<onewithna>i have the xp drivers and -i for ndis with the INF file
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17:38<poiqwepoi>I think you need to load the module
17:38<onewithna>poiqwepoi, how to do that?
17:38<onewithna>0 linux experience... wanting off vista
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17:39<poiqwepoi>modprobe ndiswrapper
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17:39<onewithna>command "modprobe ndiswrapper" gives "FATAL: module ndiswrapper not found"
17:40<poiqwepoi>do; find /lib/modules -file "ndis*"
17:40<poiqwepoi>oups
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17:40<poiqwepoi>find /lib/modules -name "ndis*"
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17:42<onewithna>returns to command prompt
17:42<onewithna>no info displayed
17:42<poiqwepoi>then your module is not installed
17:42<poiqwepoi>you need to install the kernel module
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17:43<onewithna>i am sure that your paitence are thin by now... but its greatly appreciated... how to load the kernel module?
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17:43<poiqwepoi>you need to compile the module
17:43<poiqwepoi>probably
17:43<poiqwepoi>I am new to debian too
17:44<onewithna>i am new to linux period
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17:44<Killing_Frost>Greetings...
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17:44<poiqwepoi>there are packages that refer to ndis
17:45<poiqwepoi>like ndiswrapper-source
17:45<onewithna>i do know that the ndiswrapper is in fact installed
17:45<onewithna>but how to configure i have no clue
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17:47<poiqwepoi>Maybe someone else can help with debian specifics but, if there is no binary, I would install ndiswrapper-source, compile it and install it
17:48<poiqwepoi>that would be apt-get install ndiswrapper-source
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17:49<onewithna>ok, th package manager says i have the current ver. but on ndiswrapper.sourcforge.net it says i dont.... the new ver.. wont work with my kernel ver#
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17:51<Killing_Frost>Can anyone recommend the best or most popular base64/UUE yenc en/decoder?
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17:52<poiqwepoi>onewithna, uname -r
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17:54<poiqwepoi>onewithna, just saw sf... follow instructions on http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,installation/
17:54<onewithna>gives 2.6.18-6-k7
17:55<poiqwepoi>download latest source
17:55<poiqwepoi>untar
17:55<grizli>Hello, is it possible to install smplayer in etch?
17:56<Guest112>helloooooooooooooooo
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17:56<onewithna>but... however new news!!! ndis gives this info which it did not before! "net8187b driver installed, hardware (0BDA:8197) present"
17:56<Guest112>hello grizli
17:56<Guest112>some girl???
17:56<Guest112>nickname caligula
17:56<grizli>no :)
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17:57<Guest112>nickname /caligula
17:57<poiqwepoi>onewithna, iwconfig gives you something?
17:57<Killing_Frost>If you would like a new nickname, just type '/NICK <nickname>'. Note: Nicknames with a 2 or a 4 in the middle are very unpopular on IRC.
17:57<onewithna>no..... not yet
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17:58<caligula>ook thanks
17:58<Killing_Frost>Most irc commands begin with a /
17:58<poiqwepoi>I'm not sure but I'd bet you really need the kernel module
17:58<onewithna>get it from debian.org?
17:58<poiqwepoi>the ndis command might only report the fact that the windows driver is installed
17:58<onewithna>i think your right
17:59<onewithna>but.. if its intalled... how to load it?
17:59<poiqwepoi>I'd try the latest from source
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17:59<poiqwepoi>I think you need the kernel module which seems a wrapper around the windows driver
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18:00<poiqwepoi>Try following the instructions on the link I sent you above, download source, build install, load driver etc...
18:00<poiqwepoi>load module I meant
18:01<onewithna>i do not see a link.
18:01<poiqwepoi>http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/ndiswrapper_on_Debian_Sarge_without_having_to_compile_anything
18:01<onewithna>ok i will thanks
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18:01<poiqwepoi>not this one... sorry
18:02<poiqwepoi>http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,installation/
18:02<poiqwepoi>off to diner... good luck
18:02<onewithna>thank you
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18:07<grizli>hello
18:09<grizli>Is there smplayer in 4.0?
18:10<chealer>grizli: no
18:10<grizli>Is there any chance to install it manually
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18:12<flair>How I just installed etch r3 from netinstall onto a vmware and I have this /emul folder that I've never seen before
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18:12<flair>does anyone know what it is
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18:16<Ankho>hi all
18:16<Killing_Frost>Sounds like it might have something to do with EMULation.
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18:19<flair>hmm yeah
18:19<flair>thanks
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18:20<Killing_Frost>Sorry. Never used vmware.
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18:51<zeuz>Hello people...
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19:00<ZeuZ>chealer: How's it going?
19:00<andresvia>Bye bye.
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19:02<fruza>Hi
19:02<fruza>Just testing. It's my first time I connect to this irc
19:02<rmxz>Any way I can tell fsck to do it's every-N-boots checks on shutdown instead of startup. Usually when I startup I want to use the computer for something; but often when I shutdown I'm going home from work / packing a laptop / etc. so it'd be less annoying to fsck then.
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19:09<blarson>rmxz: You could write a shutdown script that did an N-1 fsck. But not all shutdowns are clean...
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19:10<rmxz>blarson: cool. non-clean shutdowns aren't a problem - if this catches many of them I'm happy.
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19:11<rmxz>This shutdown script'lll live in /etc/rcX.d/Ksomething? I assume there's probably a startup one I should be looking for to copy&paste from?
19:11<ZeuZ>anybody up to ask me a lil something about apt ?
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19:12<rmxz>but I guess I should RTFM / grep myself :)
19:12<rmxz>ZeuZ: sure?
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19:16<chuy_max>hi, is there an installer to install debian with an encrypted filesystem?
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19:16<ZeuZ>rmxz: Well, I tried to dpkg -i a package that has broken dependencies, now whenever I want to remove it, it asks for the removal of components I need, and I cannot upgrade/install anything else
19:16<ZeuZ>rmxz: The question is: how do I remove that package so I can keep using my system?
19:18<ZeuZ>Of course, without ruining it xD
19:18<abrotman>ZeuZ: paste the error somewhere
19:18<abrotman>chuy_max: i believe the etch installer has that .. check the install guide
19:19<ZeuZ>abtotman: My system is in spanish, you sure I can continue?
19:19<abrotman>LANG=C <command>
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19:20<chuy_max>thanks abrotman, I'm checking that
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19:20<ZeuZ>abrotman: That will drop only the output in english, right?
19:20<abrotman>yes
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19:22<ZeuZ>Ok, pasting it in Pastebin
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19:23<ZeuZ>abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m7019661c
19:24<abrotman>ZeuZ: which version of debian do you think you're using?
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19:24<ZeuZ>I'm using Lenny, though chealer told me to use the packages of SID to fix a testing-specific bug of KDE... why?
19:25*abrotman smacks chealer
19:25<ZeuZ>lol
19:25<ZeuZ>now How do I solve it? xD
19:25<abrotman>ZeuZ: paste your sources.list
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19:27<ZeuZ>abrotman: I did not modify the sources to match SIDs ones... I downloaded the package directly.
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19:27<abrotman>oh .. that's probably why
19:28<ZeuZ>thing is: I don't really want to download the other packages and install them, I just wanna go back to the previous one
19:28<abrotman>ZeuZ: i'm surprised chealer left you in the lurch ..
19:28<abrotman>you'd have to uninstall KDE i guess ... not sure which bug he was trying to fix
19:28<ZeuZ>lurch? what's that?
19:28<ZeuZ>Though, the bug is about KDM Manager not able to load, whenever I go to administrator mode, it just keeps telling @loading@ and then closes itself...
19:29<abrotman>oh
19:29<ZeuZ>SID was not functioning properly for me, so I formatted and went to Lenny, but I don't wanna do that again... neither loose my modified things...
19:29<abrotman>i'd probably grab the packages that it is complaining about
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19:31<ZeuZ>Thing is that, whith SID recently installed, I had problems like Konqueror not opening and stuff, so I decided to go back to Lenny, and I seriously dont trust those packages again...
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19:34<ZeuZ>I guess the package haven't been installed right?
19:35<ZeuZ>what if I dpkg the previous one?
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20:08<wayneward>elo
20:08<wayneward>any news on kde 3.5.9
20:09<abrotman>it came out seven days ago
20:09<wayneward>ah!
20:09<wayneward>on debain yet
20:10<amphi>!debain
20:10<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
20:10<wayneward>i been looking for about seven days for it!
20:10<abrotman>ask #debian-kde
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20:10<wayneward>okee cheers
20:10<dondelelcaro>wayneward: it takes time, and as soon as it's ready it'll be uploaded. Help out if you want it to show up faster.
20:11<wayneward>ah no problem looking forward to it
20:11<wayneward>i have it on the asus 701 but thats got kubuntu on it
20:12<wayneward>this box is a 64 studio debian box and its rapid - its purring for kde 3.5.9 !
20:12<wayneward>dont know how i could help i cant code I wish i could!
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20:16<hachi>is there a web interface to apt at all?
20:17<hachi>so I can tick off a list of packages I want to upgrade right now, and punch go?
20:17<maspix>hachi: Have you tried synaptic or aptitude?
20:17<hachi>those aren't web interfaces, now are they
20:17<Xenguy>hachi: synaptic (GUI, tho not exactly web-based)
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20:18<hachi>I don't want gui, because this machine doesn't have X, and I'm not loading X onto my servers
20:18<hachi>but I'm just trying to explore other ways of managing this
20:18<abrotman>aptitude isn't X
20:18<hachi>yes, and I don't like aptitude any more than I like dselect
20:18<hachi>or even just apt-get
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20:19<Xenguy>hachi: picky or just fussy ? ;-)
20:20<hachi>getting tired of existing solutions
20:20<abrotman>write your own
20:20<hachi>if I do, then I'm not allowed to publish it
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20:20<abrotman>you're not?
20:20<wayneward>apt-get is cool :-)
20:20<hachi>legal contract where I work
20:20<abrotman>guess you're stuck
20:21<Xenguy>hachi: that's bullshit, they can't own code you do on your own time
20:21<lupine>who else got an earthquake earlier?
20:21<hachi>lupine: indonesia has the worst, they had a 7.0 earlier
20:21<hachi>and a bunch of things 5.0 on up since then
20:21<lupine>Xenguy: they can if it's substantially related to company work, or done on company hardware/software
20:21<maspix>lupine: I had a fake earthquake, a delivery truck hit the building I work in but I am not sure that counts.
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20:22<lupine>I just experienced my first one - 4.7
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20:22<Xenguy>lupine: location?
20:22<wayneward>aint ever had a earthquake in UK thank god id crap my pants!
20:22<lupine>UK
20:22<lupine>(York)
20:22<wayneward>yup
20:23<maspix>hachi: Personally, even if you rolled your own I think having a web interface to something as strong as apt would be sort of on fishy ground as it is.
20:23<wayneward>United kingdom!
20:23<lupine>It rocked quite literally
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20:23<hachi>yeah, I do agree
20:23<hachi>but I'm just trying to explore alternatives
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20:23<hachi>I'm so tired of trying to pin things and do dist-upgrades and whatnot
20:23<abrotman>bah ..
20:24<wayneward>think i used to have rpm installs etc on a redhat box from webmin
20:24<hachi>I really want a way to say 'upgrade all packages except for this list [supplied], and hold those for me to do later''
20:24<wayneward>is there nothing on webmin for apt?
20:24<dondelelcaro>hachi: so put them on hold and upgrade what you want.
20:24<hachi>mostly because upgrading things like mysql or openldap have a nasty tendancy to break every single time I upgrade them
20:24<Xenguy>hachi: you should be able to set certain apps on 'hold', yes?
20:24<dondelelcaro>wayneward: you shouldn't use webmin.
20:25<hachi>what 'holds' them?
20:25<abrotman>!Hold
20:25<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
20:25*hachi goes digging
20:25<wayneward>no i dont im just suggesting it I use a terminal thats it
20:25<dondelelcaro>!webmin
20:25<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
20:25<hachi>ugh... okay
20:25<hachi>forget I asked about web interface
20:25<Xenguy>hachi: FWIW I've never had to learn pinning at all
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20:25<wayneward>ha yes a terminal is cool
20:25<hachi>the moment webmin comes up I'll concede that it's going to suck
20:25<hachi>a lot
20:26<wayneward>ive used it on a debain box webmin like it worked ok i suppose didnt do a lot with it
20:27<lupine>webmin is, like, ftyl
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20:28<hachi>next question
20:28<wayneward>could do with a good howto for getting debian on the asus 701 the one i followed doesnt work to well!
20:28<hachi>I have serious issues where my initrd/initramfs will stop working when I upgrade libc on my debian box
20:28<hachi>it happens roughly every single time I upgrade libc
20:29<wayneward>hachi this stop you from booting at all?
20:29<hachi>I then have to rescue boot from something else, set up my chroot, and do an update-initramfs -k all -u or something
20:29<hachi>yeah, it usually does
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20:29<wayneward>yes i had the same problem yesterday on a live server
20:29<hachi>it has a habit of hanging during device detection or something, lvm wont' start up or something
20:29<wayneward>nightmare
20:29<hachi>but this has happened like 8 times in the last 2 months for me
20:30<wayneward>not good
20:30<hachi>I really shouldn't be having this much of an issue, right?
20:30<hachi>but what really bugs me is, I don't see what's so wrong with me upgrading libc that causes this
20:30<abrotman>you could run 'stab'e
20:30<abrotman>stable
20:30<wayneward>not really are you stable
20:30<hachi>nah, I'm testing
20:30<wayneward>if your not then guess you wil have problems
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20:31<hachi>wow, you know... that's so helpful
20:31<wayneward>well if your testing your testing!!!!
20:31<abrotman>hachi: i use testing on this box .. haven't had my box not boot yet
20:31<abrotman>wayneward: you're
20:31<hachi>wayneward: seriously, I shouldn't have this issue even in testing, so the thing I'm wondering is... why am I running into it
20:32<hachi>why does upgrading libc outside the initramfs kill the initramfs?
20:32<hachi>the initramfs is there before the filesystems are even mounted
20:32<hachi>so it shouldn't have any impact on it
20:32<wayneward>can you not upgrade then run update-initramfs
20:32<wayneward>before reboot
20:33<hachi>wayneward: somewhat often it still doesn't work, like init is holding the DSO open or something
20:33<wayneward>mmm thats not right
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20:39<hachi>whoah
20:40<hachi>something new happened
20:40<hachi>apt-get -u --assume-yes dist-upgrade
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20:40<hachi>it launched less with a text file telling me about the upgrade
20:40<hachi>what is this?
20:41<hachi>it's nice, but I need to read up on it to know how to work with it :\
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20:42<Supaplex>apt-get --random-breakage --emulate-rpm-hell --fail-just-because --massive-pile-of-poo
20:42<Supaplex>;)
20:43<hachi>I'm just playing, I don't want it nearly as dumb as rpm
20:43<Supaplex>heh okay
20:44<hachi>rpm does have one nice feature that I'm wishing dpkg had
20:45<hachi>the concept of 'perl(Test::More)' being a valid package string that is expanded out to the package that provides that perl class
20:45<hachi>it makes dependancy finding so much more elegant
20:46<hachi>though, I bet debian packages could just provide those as virtual package names and it would just work
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20:49<hachi>when I'm in dpkg-preconfigure stage, and I realize that something has gone wrong and I want to bail... hard
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20:49<hachi>how can I get out?
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20:50<hachi>kill 24727
20:50<hachi>that worked... killing apt
20:50<hachi>but I'd rather have some way to exit
20:51<hachi>also, it appears that uswsusp is depended on by acpi-support
20:51<hachi>which... I really don't want
20:52<hachi>is there any talk about this?
20:52<abrotman>no wonder your system doesn't work
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20:52<hachi>what? because acpi is installed and configured?
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20:54<hachi>whoops, no... something is installing it for me
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20:54<dondelelcaro>hachi: you can just search for Test::More, and you'll find the package.
20:54<hachi>dondelelcaro: via what mechanism?
20:55<hachi>apt-cache search Test::More
20:55<dondelelcaro>hachi: apt-cache search
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20:55<hachi>that gives me a list of about 10 packages
20:55<hachi>one of which does indeed provide it
20:55<hachi>but returning more than 1 is not helpful
20:55<hachi>there's no way to be explicit
20:55<ZeuZ>hachi: use grep
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20:56<ZeuZ>hachi: use grep
20:56<dondelelcaro>hachi: though in this case, that's in perl-modules, which you've already got installed.
20:56<hachi>ZeuZ: show me an example of how to use grep to yank out the correct one
20:56<dondelelcaro>hachi: and you can be explicit by using apt-file, which will give you perl-modules if you sarch for Test/More.pm
20:56<hachi>apt-cache search POE
20:56<hachi>there you go
20:56<hachi>that's a good example perl module
20:56<ZeuZ>hachi: apt-cache search | grep correct_thing)that_you're_searching_for
20:56<dondelelcaro>hachi: so that's libpoe-perl
20:56<hachi>ahh, but I don't know what the correct thing is
20:57<dondelelcaro>hachi: it's in those results, and it's kind of obvious which is the right one
20:57<hachi>see, you're playing the indirection game
20:57<hachi>obvious to a human
20:57<dondelelcaro>hachi: and you can still search for POE.pm if you're totally lost
20:57<hachi>but with rpm you can say 'yum install 'perl(POE)' and it will give you the right package
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20:57<hachi>well, that's yum
20:57<hachi>but yeah, whatever I mean
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20:58<dondelelcaro>hachi: so? you can do aptitude install $(apt-file search POE.pm |awk -F: '{print $1}')
20:58<dondelelcaro>or similar.
20:58<hachi>in perl packages aren't always provided by the file with the same name
20:58<hachi>so apt-file doesn't work
20:58<dondelelcaro>in general though, perl modules named Foo::Bar are named libfoo-bar-perl
20:59<dondelelcaro>the main exceptions are things which are distributed in perl itself
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20:59<dondelelcaro>(and things which distribute perl modules ancilliary to them)
20:59<hachi>rosa:~# apt-file find Class/Accessor/Fast.pm
20:59<hachi>no results
20:59<eikenberry>I have a local repository with a single entry in the sources.list file. But I am intermittently getting a "Duplicate sources.list entry file:..." warning from apt. It seems to coincide with an update of the debian (lenny) Packages file.
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21:00<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... did you actually run that command?
21:00<hachi>I did
21:00<hachi>see how it has a hostname, and a little ~ to say where I am
21:00<dondelelcaro>hachi: then it would have given you libclass-accessor-perl: usr/share/perl5/Class/Accessor/Fast.pm
21:00<hachi>and the # to say that I'm root, even though I don't need to be
21:00<eikenberry>I'm using dpkg-scanpackages to create the packages file and apt-ftparchive to create the Release file.
21:00<hachi>I got no results
21:01<dondelelcaro>hachi: have you run apt-file update?
21:01<dondelelcaro>eikenberry: use apt-ftparchive to do both.
21:01<hachi>I... okay... that's where the issue is
21:01<hachi>the apt-file update is still running
21:01<dondelelcaro>yes, the contents files are *large*.
21:02<eikenberry>dondelelcaro. Hmm... ok. You think that is causing the duplicate warning?
21:02<abrotman>are they going to switch apt-file to pdiff too ?
21:02<ZeuZ>hachi: grep will not only search on the package name, but on the description
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21:02<dondelelcaro>eikenberry: and the duplicate sources.list entry will give you a warning when you've got two entries in your sources.list that are the same.
21:02<abrotman>or can they?
21:02<dondelelcaro>abrotman: it's possible
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21:02<hachi>what is zeuz talking about?
21:02<dondelelcaro>frankly, it'd be more useful to distribute a tree instead of what they distribute now, but whatever.
21:03<hachi>grep is just a generic grep... so why would it be specific like that
21:03<eikenberry>dondelelcaro. Yes. That seemed pretty obvious. :) But I don't have duplicate entries.
21:03<hachi>or is there an `apt-cache grep` command that I'm not aware of?
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21:03<dondelelcaro>hachi: there is, and it's called grep-aptavail
21:03<eikenberry>I have 1 line for my local repository: deb file:/usr/local/share/apt-repository/ /
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21:04<dondelelcaro>eikenberry: uh... you almost certainly want ./ at the end; is that all of the entries in your sources.list?
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21:05<hachi>I'm still trying to chase down why the hell uswsusp, acpi-support, acpi-support-base is being installed by apt
21:05<hachi>is there a fast way to figure this out? I'm sitting here doing manual rdepends searches
21:05<dondelelcaro>hachi: probably because they're recommended. Using aptitude is the easy way.
21:05<eikenberry>dondelelcaro. No. I have a deb and deb-src for lenny. One each for security testing/updates and one for debian-multimedia.
21:05<hachi>no curses
21:05<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; then enjoy finding it out manually
21:06<hachi>WTF
21:06<hachi>recommended is not a reason for dist-upgrade to install them, is it?
21:06<dondelelcaro>it is in unstable.
21:06<hachi>I thought Required and Important was that
21:06<dondelelcaro>(and testing)
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21:06<dondelelcaro>those are priorities, not interelationships
21:07<hachi>oops, yeah
21:07<dondelelcaro>eikenberry: use a paste site to show your entire sources.list and the Release file for the repository
21:07<dondelelcaro>Recommends are packages that should be installed in all but unusual cases
21:07<dondelelcaro>so they're installed by default now unless you specify otherwise
21:07<hachi>well, uwswsusp and acpi-support aren't needed on servers
21:07<dondelelcaro>hachi: so remove them
21:07<hachi>I mean, to the point that I really don't want them
21:08<hachi>I can't remove them
21:08<hachi>it's trying to install them
21:08<hachi>they aren't on here yet
21:08<Katya>hi all
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21:08<dondelelcaro>hachi: so go apt-get install blah blah uwswusp- acpi-support-; or similar.
21:08<Katya>can someone tell me the command that split files?
21:08<hachi>AUGH
21:08<dondelelcaro>Katya: split
21:08<hachi>I don't want to install them
21:08<hachi>I want to not install them
21:08<Katya>ok thanks
21:08<dondelelcaro>hachi: do you notice the - there? It's kind of important.
21:09<dondelelcaro>man apt-get; if you don't understand what it does.
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21:09<hachi>okay, fine... how to I check with aptitude to see if this really is because of Recommended state?
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21:09<hachi>this is really unacceptable to me... who knows what random crap I need to handle now because of this
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21:09<dondelelcaro>hachi: run aptitude, search for uwsusp, visit the package, and see what the Packages Depending On: section says. Uninstall anything that depends on it.
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21:10<dondelelcaro>(or mark it so that it won't be installed)
21:10<hachi>okay, this has to be a bug
21:10<hachi>debian is forcing laptop crap onto my machine by default
21:10<eikenberry>dondelelcaro. My sources.list file... http://pastecode.com/?show=m56999aaf
21:11<dondelelcaro>and low and behold, it's hal depending on pm-utils which depends on uswusp
21:11<Katya>dondelelcaro, will it devide a file into many at once, not just 2 divisions?
21:11<hachi>aptitude says nothing depends on it
21:11<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... sure it does
21:11<hachi>rosa:~# apt-file find Class/Accessor/Fast.pm
21:11<dondelelcaro>Katya: depends on what you tell it to do
21:11<hachi>eep
21:11<hachi>no, there are no lines
21:11<hachi>not that I can show you
21:11<Katya>dondelelcaro, but i can do it?
21:11<hachi>apparently aptitude grabs the mouse
21:12<eikenberry>dondelelcaro. The Release file of the local repository: http://pastecode.com/?show=m2bf34b38
21:12<Kosma>hachi: hold shift while selecting text
21:12<hachi> --- Packages which depend on uswsusp
21:12<hachi>there are no lines under that for me
21:12<hachi>next entry is 'Versions'
21:12<hachi>I'm in uswsusp
21:12<hachi>I just did an apt-get update like... 5 minutes ago
21:12<dondelelcaro>hachi: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/aptitude_pmutils.png
21:13<dondelelcaro>hachi: you have to press enter.
21:13<dondelelcaro>Katya: sure
21:13<hachi>FRIGGERNAFFY
21:13<hachi>it expanded all the other sections for me
21:13<Katya>ok
21:13<Katya>thanks
21:13<Katya>cos the manual was not clear to me
21:14<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... no, it actually didn't.
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21:14<hachi>hal is not installed
21:14<Kosma>I'm trying to boot (current) d-i netboot image with GRUB, and it doesn't work... anyone has experience with this?
21:15<dondelelcaro>Kosma: what's the actual question?
21:15<Kosma>it probably doesn't accept to file format (documentation says vmlinuz.gz and mirrors only have linux), but I can't be sure as I have no physical access to the machine
21:15<dondelelcaro>Kosma: you should have a serial console
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21:16<Kosma>I have serial console for kernel messages and login, but not for grub, for some unknown reason grub doesn't work with my serial port
21:16<lontra>can anyone tell me how i can set the menubar fonts in firefox to a 9pt font in kde? i don't have gtk-qt-engine installed because i'm using kde4 but would like to know how to set this variable by editing a file
21:17<dondelelcaro>Kosma: what type of serial port is it?
21:17<hachi>dondelelcaro: hal isn't installed, and nothing I can see is installing it
21:17<dondelelcaro>Kosma: I mean, you do have to configure it to work, but it normally has no problem.
21:17<Kosma>dondelelcaro: Dell IPMI v2.0
21:17<dondelelcaro>hachi: so just tell it to be removed then, and see what breaks if anything.
21:18<Kosma>dondelelcaro: looks like standard UART under Linux, and works under Linux, but not under GRUB...
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21:18<hachi>I can't tell it to remove it, hal isn't installed
21:18<dondelelcaro>Kosma: what does your grub configuration look like?
21:18<dondelelcaro>hachi: uswusp and pm-utils or whatever is causing uswusp to be installed, of course.
21:19<hachi>those aren't installed either, and the trailing hyphen thing doesn't do anything
21:19<hachi>it still tries to install it
21:19<dondelelcaro>hachi: then use aptitude to do the upgrade, and stop before it actually begins the install and see what wants to install it.
21:19<dondelelcaro>hachi: aptitdue will tell you whether it's going to install something, and will update the status so you can see why it's being installed in the same view that you were looking at earlier.
21:20<hachi>I'm not using aptitude
21:20<hachi>just apt-get
21:20<dondelelcaro>*shrug*
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21:20<Kosma>dondelelcaro: http://www.kosma.pl/tmp/grub.conf.txt
21:20<dondelelcaro>I'm telling you to *use* aptitude
21:20<dondelelcaro>if you don't want to use it, then I don't have time to assist you, unfortunatly.
21:21<hachi>so debian's policy is that everyone must use curses applications to manage their system?
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21:21<hachi>I like apt-get
21:21<hachi>I don't want something 'better' than that in someone else's eyes
21:21<Kosma>hachi: aptitude has command-line interface too
21:21<eikenberry>hachi. I think he is just saying that is what he knows how to help you with.
21:21<dondelelcaro>no, I'm just not particularly interested in wasting my time helping you to solve something that is trivial to resolve if you use aptitude
21:22<Kosma>doesn't hachi just need to disable automatic Recommends/Suggests installation using some simple apt.conf spells? :D
21:22<dondelelcaro>solving it with apt-get isn't difficult either, but it requires following the Depends: and Recommends: chain, which, if you didn't already know grep-dctrl isn't something I want to explain.
21:22<Kosma>as for displaying reverse dependencies, it's "aptitude why <package name>"
21:23<dondelelcaro>right
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21:24<dondelelcaro>Kosma: and it fails if you have the serial line in there? or it just doesn't operate the serial port?
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21:24<dondelelcaro>Kosma: and you probably actually want something like serial --unit=0 --speed=3840; with terminal --timeout=10 console serial
21:25<dondelelcaro>err, 38400, of course. ;-)
21:25<hachi>okay then: http://nopaste.snit.ch/12402
21:25<Kosma>I'm a bit afraid to change my GRUB config again as if it crashes, I'll need to call the datacentre technicians again ;]
21:25<hachi>it's installing hal because it's trying to install konqueror, according to this
21:25<hachi>but I don't even have X installed
21:25<hachi>so I don't think that can be right
21:26<Kosma>whoa
21:26<Kosma>hachi: try to install 'info' manually first and then cvs
21:26<dondelelcaro>hachi: uh... that's not saying that it's going to install hal.
21:26<hachi>sorry, I pasted the wrong one, hold on
21:27<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/12403
21:27<hachi>konqueror isn't installed, and it's not trying to install it though
21:28<dondelelcaro>hachi: right, so that's not why it thinks uswusp should be installed. Can you provide the entire output of your apt-get -s dist-upgrade;?
21:28<dondelelcaro>(or whatever command you were running?)
21:28<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/12404
21:28<hachi>a bit much to look at
21:29<hachi>but it's all there
21:29<Kosma>have you tried this? http://nopaste.snit.ch/12405
21:29<Kosma>it just disables recommends and saves you a lot of headaches ;>
21:30<hachi>Kosma: I will turn that on, but it still doesn't tell me why the uwsusp chain is being installed right now
21:30<hachi>it just make it stop doing it, and I'll never know why
21:30<dondelelcaro>hachi: yes, so it's going to install hal, which is why uwsusp is coming.
21:30<Kosma>hachi: it's simple
21:30<hachi>yeah, but why is hal being installed
21:30<Kosma>the dependency chain is resolved the wrong way
21:31<hachi>when I do the aptitude thing recommended just a short while ago here
21:31<hachi>it says it's because I have cvs installed, which wants info-browser or whatever, which then tries to install konqueror
21:31<hachi>but apt-get dist-upgrade isn't following that path
21:31<Kosma>precisely, it says: cvs Recommends info | info-browser
21:31<Kosma>if you install info, it won't need info-browser
21:32<Kosma>and info is a medium-sized console app which should be acceptable
21:32<hachi>Status: install ok installed
21:32<hachi>info is installed
21:32<dondelelcaro>hachi: it's because gnome-mount is being installed, which pulls in hal.
21:32<Kosma>then it's magic ;]
21:33<hachi>seriously though, can you see why I'm having such a hard time with this? anytime I try to get an answer... it never comes
21:33<hachi>why is gnome-mount being installed
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21:34<hachi>aptitude says it's because something wants gnome-terminal because it wants a terminal, because it wants tk, because scsitools is installed
21:34<Kosma>dondelelcaro: okay, I'm trying to get grub+serial working once more
21:34<dondelelcaro>hachi: because libgnomevfs2-0 Recommends it
21:34<hachi>but apt-get isn't installing gnome-terminal, and it's not installed... so it's not actually that
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21:35<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/12406
21:36<hachi>dist-upgrade isn't installing tk, like aptitude is suggesting for the 'why' on gnome-mount
21:36<dondelelcaro>hachi: aptitude is just showing one possible reason why it could be installed. Because you're not using aptitude, it hasn't actually run the problem solution for the upgrade run, so it's not saying why it's being installed.
21:37<dondelelcaro>hachi: if you want to understand what's happening without using aptitude, you have to walk the dependency graph yourself using grep-aptavail or similar.
21:37<hachi>I don't see why aptitude isn't giving me the real answer though, I'm running it on the same machine
21:37<hachi>so it's the same dep tree and the same existing packages
21:38<Kosma>in fact aptitude and apt-get don't mix very well
21:39<dondelelcaro>hachi: it's because aptitude is looking at the state vector of your machine now, not the state vector after an upgrade that you haven't done.
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21:40<hachi>if grep-aptdebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
21:40<dondelelcaro>hachi: if you want aptitude to tell you what it's going to do in an upgrade, you have to have it solve the solution for an upgrade, and *then* look at the solution and see why it solved it that way.
21:40<hachi>eep
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21:42<Kosma>dondelelcaro: just as I suspected, after uncommenting the serial options the grub no longer works
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21:43<dondelelcaro>Kosma: with the changes I suggested?
21:43<dondelelcaro>Kosma: since it's almost certainly unit 0, and you want to allow using the terminal too
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21:43<Kosma>it looks more like unit 1
21:43<Kosma>/dev/ttyS1 under Linux
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21:44<dondelelcaro>what's ttyS0? [It could very well be different in the bios and linux]
21:44<Kosma>ttyS0 is probably the physical COM1 port
21:44<Kosma>and ttyS1 is virtual port for serial-over-lan
21:45<dondelelcaro>wait, you're not using a physical com port?
21:45<dondelelcaro>heh
21:45<Kosma>no, the server is in the USA and I'm in Europe ;-)
21:46<dondelelcaro>Kosma: that's fine, you could still be using a terminal server or similar.
21:46<dondelelcaro>all of my remote machines are set up that way
21:46<Kosma>the datacentre has a terminal server, but it failed recently ;]
21:46<dondelelcaro>ah
21:46<Kosma>and so we're stuck with the %@#!@^ IPMI
21:46<dondelelcaro>yeah, the other classic method is to daisychain machines
21:47<dondelelcaro>but you probably only have a single machine in that rack
21:47<Kosma>yep
21:47<Kosma>still, let's leave the serial issue for a moment
21:47<dondelelcaro>yeah, probably not supported by grub then; sorry, I thought you were using a physical serial port.
21:47<hachi>holy crap, I caught it... uhh... I'll write this up
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21:49<Kosma>I've followed the instructions: http://skocz.pl/boot-initrd
21:50<Kosma>I used the netboot files, with one exception: the documentation mentions 'vmlinuz' file but the mirrors only had 'linux' file
21:50<Kosma>and it looks like grub doesn't recognize this file
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21:51<Kosma>because if fallbacks to my normal kernel immediately
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21:52<dondelelcaro>Kosma: the mirrors have the vmlinuz file; let me find one for you.
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21:53<rich>identify
21:53<dondelelcaro>Kosma: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
21:53<dondelelcaro>Kosma: most likely you also have the wrong initrd.gz if you didn't find that too.
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21:54<Kosma>"If you intend to use the hard drive only for booting and then download everything over the network, you should download the netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz file and its corresponding kernel netboot/debian-installer/i386/linux."
21:54<Kosma>so, should I use the hd-media version?
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21:55<dondelelcaro>Kosma: well, that depends. I've actually only used the hd media version, but http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ may work too
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21:56<dondelelcaro>Kosma: but if you're using that, you shouldn't rename it
21:56<Kosma>I didn't rename that file
21:56<dondelelcaro>Kosma: and you also need a nfs server or similar to mount the root
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21:57<dondelelcaro>Kosma: basically, you need to follow all of the instructions under 5.1.6 and 4.6 too
21:57<Kosma>are you sure? the last time I used netboot d-i, it downloaded everything from the debian mirrors
21:58<dondelelcaro>hrm.. actually, it probably will work directly
21:58<dondelelcaro>yeah, was double checking myself
21:58<dondelelcaro>pity you can't see what the kernel is actually doing
21:59<Kosma>I can see what the kernel is doing
21:59<Kosma>with bootparam console=ttyS1,9600n8
21:59<hachi>dondelelcaro: I'm still reading about dctrl-tools, but I caught the offending package by just doing a dpkg --list | grep nome
21:59<Kosma>but I can't see why grub fails to boot the kernel :)
21:59<dondelelcaro>Kosma: oh, it doesn't actually load the kernel?
22:00<dondelelcaro>Kosma: are you using the etch d-i stuff? or are you using one of the newer nightlies?
22:00<hachi>bluez-gnome was installed for some reason... and now the dist-upgrade is like half the size that it was
22:00<Kosma>nightlies, of course
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22:00<dondelelcaro>Kosma: try the etch images unless you know they don't work on your hardware
22:00<Kosma>love that thrill :)
22:00<dondelelcaro>(since it's possible that they've gotten broken)
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22:01<Kosma>I'll try the hd-media version first
22:01<Kosma>at least as soon as I regain the control over the bootloader -_-
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22:02<Kosma>this all just brings me closer and closer to ordering a KVM over IP :(
22:02<Kosma>$30 per month :(
22:04<dondelelcaro>Kosma: yeah, sometimes people wonder why I pretty much require working physical remote serial terminals, and you're living it. ;-)
22:05<Kosma>they just make the damn thing work :|
22:05<yel>^-&
22:05<Kosma>$30 per month may seem a bit overpriced, but not if we consider the time I already spent fighting with the serial console
22:06<dondelelcaro>Kosma: it could be too that once the stupid thing is working and grub is settled, you can drop the KVM
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22:06<Kosma>in fact a working serial console in GRUB is the only thing I need
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22:06<Kosma>because grub's ability to boot something from networks pretty much means I can rescue the machine at any time
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22:07<Kosma>(I have remote reboot via IPMI already)
22:07<hachi>ipmi has serial console over IP in it
22:07<hachi>at least, on all the boxes we have at my work
22:07<Kosma>hachi: yes, it does
22:07<dondelelcaro>hachi: yeah, but grub apparently doesn't support it
22:07<Kosma>I'm using it
22:07<trench>anyone who has a problem connecting to http://www.debian.org ?
22:07<Kosma>trench: yep
22:08<Kosma>trench: times out
22:08<trench>yeah here too
22:08<hachi>it doesn't? I swear we have it working on on our dells here :\
22:08<hachi>I'll have to give that a shot sometime
22:08<trench>kind of strange that it's not mirrored
22:08<Kosma>hachi: could you show me your grub.conf then?
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22:08<Kosma>I have a Dell too, Poweredge 2950 iirc
22:09<hachi>yeah, we run things like that
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22:09<yel>hachi: connect normal.
22:09<dondelelcaro>huh. someone was saying that it redirects the textmode to serial if you've got the right bios options set
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22:09<Supaplex>trench: times out here
22:09<hachi>yeah, it does
22:10<hachi>serial --unit=0 --speed=115200
22:10<hachi>terminal --timeout=5 serial console
22:10<hazard2>how would I tell what the battery charge is? on a laptop?
22:10<hachi>that's all we do on our dell 2950s
22:10<Kosma>hazard2: /proc/acpi/battery/...
22:11<hachi>you can also just type 'acpi' often and it willtell you the batt state
22:11<Kosma>hachi: still, I have no BIOS access to enable that redirection
22:11<hachi> Battery 1: discharging, 73%, 00:54:13 remaining
22:11<hachi>Kosma: the people who rack the box are supposed to do it
22:11<hachi>or they do it when they order the machine
22:12<hachi>when we order machines dell asks us what we want the default bios settings to be, for every option
22:12<Kosma>I guess I'll have to tell the technicians to reconfigure it
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22:13<Kosma>but first I need to find a comprehensible guide to the server's bios so that I'll know what to tell them :D
22:13<hazard2>ah
22:13<hazard2>okay, thanks
22:13<Kosma>life could have been much simpler if the datacentre offered Debian machines
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22:14<hazard2>hmmm
22:14<hazard2>according to acpi, the battery is charged
22:14<Kosma>but it didn't so we ordered a RHEL5 one and I'm trying to do a reinstall remotely ;]
22:14<hazard2>according to the indicators on the laptop, its being drained....
22:14<hazard2>horay for consistancy.
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22:18<hachi>try powertop :)
22:18<Kosma>isn't powertop a bit of an overkill for checking the battery status? :)
22:18<hachi>if powertop says you have a consumption in wattage, then the battery is draining
22:19<hachi>yeah, but to see if the battery is draining or charging it's another piece of input
22:19<amphi>Kosma: not at all ;)
22:20<Kosma>hachi: rtfm is probably a good idea, I've already discovered a few fun facts about the serial console
22:20<hazard2>Hmmm
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22:20<hachi>yeah, reading the grub docs helped a lot
22:20<hazard2>Pentium4-Ms with HT -DO- support clock scaling right?
22:21<hachi>plus the tkernel docs
22:21<Kosma>oops, it's 4:21 AM here
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22:21<hazard2>so, why do none of the cpufreq utils see anything?!
22:21<hachi>you can get all the serial console stuff to work pretty darned well
22:21<hachi>hazard2: you have to modprobe a driver modulke for it
22:21<Kosma>hachi: serial console is wonderful once it starts working :/
22:21<hachi>it might be cpufreq-centrino or something
22:22<hachi>cpufreq-p4
22:22<hachi>I dunno
22:22<hachi>sorry
22:22<hachi>speedstep_something
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22:22<hachi>p4-clockmod ?
22:23<hachi>the modules are in a directory like: /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq
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22:27<hazard2>okie, thanks I'll look there
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22:32<RIVE>Hello, good evening.
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22:56<Kosma>whoa!
22:56<Kosma>hachi: I've found a document describing using ipmi raw commands to configure BIOS on my machine
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22:57<Kosma>now I can enable the console redirection :)
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22:58<hachi>Kosma: cool!
22:58<hachi>I remember the raw commands being pretty harsh
22:58<hachi>they didn't even work properly on SiMech machines I was playing with
22:59<hachi>but worked fine on dells... though I never used them to configure anything beyond the IPMI network interface
22:59<Kosma>raw commands are vendor-specific...
22:59<Kosma>but when you have a cool vendor that publishes the list of those commands, they're just awesome
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23:02<hachi>apparently dell came to our offices and showed off their IPMI stuff to us
23:02<hachi>but we laughed cause they said we needed to use a windows tool to manage them
23:02<hachi>I wasn't there that day
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23:05<Kosma>the good thing about IPMI is that it's a standard
23:05<Kosma>but still, I kinda miss the ProLiant's iLO functionality
23:05<Kosma>because it worked like a charm
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23:13<Aleric>Does anyone know how I can set the access/modification of a symbolic link itself (not following the link)? With what C call?
23:13<Aleric>I found lutimes, but that's BSD - isn't there a POSIX call?
23:16<Kosma>lstat
23:17<Aleric>That's for reading it, not setting it.
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23:27<Heaton>äðàñòå
23:27<Katya>hi all
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23:27<Katya>http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1914893166172726455&hl=en-AU how to install debian
23:28<Katya>i built that
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23:29<Heaton>english only?
23:29<Katya>yea
23:29<Katya>i am an arab btw
23:29<Katya>do u feel it's hard for you?
23:29<Katya>very simple english
23:30<rotten>hello... can anyone help me with a new install... i am trying to use LVM, and having problems partitioning the first disk of 4 they way i want
23:30<Katya>the video is not clear on google
23:30<Katya>rotten, wait for some days i'll make a video about it
23:31<rotten>sounds good... but this is driven me crazy... one small problem, and soo much more to tacke once i get xen installed
23:32<Heaton>lol i'm nix n00b
23:32<Heaton>i hape that here can help me
23:32<Heaton>my english very poore
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23:34<Aleric>You should say: My English sucks
23:35<rotten>Katya: have you made any previous videos
23:35<amphi>Aleric: what he said was better english ;)
23:35<Katya>well i have one on how to install basic debian
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23:35<Katya>http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1914893166172726455&hl=en-AU how to install debian
23:36<Heaton>Aleric: ok
23:36<Katya>but that file is not clear to watch
23:36<Katya>i donno how to record while keeping it clear
23:36<Katya>i want to repeat it
23:37<Katya>and delete that one
23:37<Katya>it just helps the beginner
23:38<Heaton>for me 2
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23:39<rotten>Katya: looking at it now
23:39<Heaton>my internet connection sucks & i begining 2 download 14 gig
23:39<Katya>rotten, do u like the english?
23:40<amphi>Heaton: why are you downloading 14GB?
23:40<rotten>Katya: I understand what you are saying very well... but the video is very blurry.. so hard to follow.. and sometimes you say click but dont say clearly what you are clicking on
23:41<rotten>Katya: what did you use flashget for?
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23:41<Katya>for windows users just to download the ISO's
23:41<Heaton>amphi: full packeg of distributive
23:41<rotten>Katya: ah.. kk
23:42<Katya>why it's not mensioned
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23:42<Katya>??
23:42<amphi>Heaton: why? why not just do a netinstall?
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23:42<Kosma>hachi: I did it ;D
23:42<rotten>I havent been focused on it the whole time... phone and people talking to me..
23:42<Kosma>chassis bootdev none options=cons_redirect=enable
23:42<Katya>ok
23:43<Heaton>amphi: u mean intalling from internet&
23:43<rotten>Katya: might be my falt completely
23:43<Katya>i must check the resolution error.. and Google recompress the video
23:43<amphi>Heaton: yes - get a small netinstall iso image, and then just download and install what you want
23:44<Katya>amphi, dont forget the network card support
23:44<Heaton>ø can't do it
23:44<Heaton>i can't do it
23:44<Katya>Heaton, must have it
23:44<rotten>Katya: yea... the text that comes up is unreadable.. but i can tell where you are just cuz i have done it befor
23:44<amphi>Katya: there aren't many NICs unsupported AFAIK
23:44<Katya>ok
23:44<amphi>wireless is another story ;)
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23:45<Katya>yea true
23:45<rotten>Anyone feel up to helping me troubleshooting a partitioning problem.. trying to use raid and LVM
23:45<Katya>i will read the help of google on how to record
23:45<Katya>rotten, i tried RAID
23:46<Katya>but i advise u of hardware raid
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23:48<rotten>Katya: i love hardware raids too... but i dont have the money for the expensive true hardware cards.. besides.. just gonna make a couple of raid1's
23:48<Katya>k
23:49<Katya>how come theya are expensive>??
23:49<Katya>there is a card just for 30$
23:49<Katya>SATA + IDE supporting extention card
23:50<rotten>Katya: there are many cards on the market that support hardware raids... but the chip set offloads the the handling of the raid to the processor... so they are not true hardware raid
23:51<Katya>k
23:51<Kosma>there is actually a pretty foolproof way to tell the true from non-true raid adapters... price :)
23:51<rotten>katya: check out 3ware.. those are true hardware cards.. some of them have on board ram to help raid5s, and some have there own battery supply incase of improper shutdown
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23:52<Kosma>yeah, plus 3wares have excellent tw_cli ulitity for configuration & diagnostics
23:52<Katya>ok
23:52<rotten>Alot of the on board chipsets from any MFG that support raid is gonna be software
23:52<Katya>aha
23:52<rotten>afk
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23:58<rotten>back
23:59<rotten>Kosma: what is tw_cli utility?
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