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00:06<hachi>I've got a USB disk here that won't spin down at all
00:06<hachi>something keeps waking it up
00:06<hachi>well, it does spin down
00:06<hachi>but comes back up again
00:06<hachi>it's not even mounted
00:06<hachi>anyone have any ideas?
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00:51<Todd>!irc
00:51<dpkg>irc is, like, Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons
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01:14<kita_ceue>hy
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01:23<sime>hi
01:23<sime>how can I simply install a .TTF font in debian?
01:24<jm_>for apps using fontconfig stick it in ~/.fonts
01:24<sime>it s for the gimp
01:24<sime>I read about xfs but it is not installed currently
01:25<jm_>try it then
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01:27<sime>it is difficult to make it work with X?
01:28<jm_>is it difficult to move it to ~/.fonts?
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01:28<sime>hte .fonts dirrectpry does not exit
01:29<valdyn>!be a mkdir barbie
01:29<dpkg>Aww, mkdir is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn
01:30<Xenguy>haha
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01:34<Schreck>Hi
01:34<sime>it worked
01:34<sime>thx
01:34<Schreck>Is there any way to make a scp... and if the path doesn't exist it will be created ?
01:34<gef>-r ?
01:35<gef>hm, nvm
01:35<ApOgEE->have anyone use TS-7260 with debian on SD? I can't use ttyAM2... can anybody point me to the right direction?
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01:36<Schreck>gef nvm ?
01:36<Schreck>:)
01:36<ApOgEE->hi piju...
01:36<gef>"never mind" -r is recursive copy
01:36<gef>i'm thinking _with_ my feet atm
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01:38<piju>woot ?
01:38<piju>ApOgEE-; also here?
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01:39<ApOgEE->piju, hehe.. ya i'm here...
01:41<ApOgEE->piju, you didn't notice me?
01:42<piju>no
01:44<Schreck>Okay gef ! ^^
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01:52<Slydder>morning all
01:53<Supaplex>nonono we just had a morning.
01:53<Supaplex>take it back! we don't want it ;)
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01:56<Slydder>lol
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02:09<chandu>Hi
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02:10<chandu>While booting I am getting the following error message , bcz of that erro booting is delayed
02:10<chandu>ata2.00: ATAPI, max MWDMA2
02:10<chandu>ata2.00: applying bridge limits
02:10<chandu>ata2.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa1)
02:10<chandu>ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
02:10<chandu>ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs
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02:12<chandu>Hi
02:12<chandu>While booting I am getting the followign error
02:12<chandu>ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
02:12<chandu>ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs
02:13<chandu>May I know what is causing this problem and how do I fix it
02:13<pwd>hd is failing chandu
02:13<pwd>buy a new :)
02:13<chandu>pwd, HD
02:13<chandu>pwd, ata2.00: ATAPI, max MWDMA2
02:13<chandu>pwd, this is the thing it is showing before this messages
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02:14<pwd>you google it?
02:14<chandu>pwd, I did it , but not getting much ..not getting any solution
02:15<pwd>try enter in rescue mode option
02:15<pwd>can you?
02:15<chandu>pwd, ok
02:15<chandu>pwd, Its boots fine ..but it delays bcz of this error
02:16<pwd>first time installing debian?
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02:17<pwd>chandu the error stop the boot or onlye delay this?
02:17<pwd>only*
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02:18<pwd>chandu http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=319346
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02:19<chandu>pwd, its only delays ..it does not stop the boot
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02:20*[[fw0rd]] waits turn
02:20<pwd>:o
02:21*[[fw0rd]] fresh install debian-netinst, login, wants startx, startx no happy wif laptop vidcard, how to fix, thx
02:21<pwd>what videocard [[fw0rd]]
02:21<pwd>?
02:22<pwd>Jigsaw Falling Into Place - (In Rainbows - Radiohead)
02:22<pwd>good song
02:22<pwd>:)
02:22<[[fw0rd]]>hmmm intel... basically it couldn't find a screen.
02:22<[[fw0rd]]>x works under a knoppix boot disc
02:23<pwd>are you using intel driver on xorg?
02:23<[[fw0rd]]>i think the issue is that x just isn't configged for the proper mode
02:23<[[fw0rd]]>i downloaded netinst live cd and then just told it to install everything. quasi-noob to linux, old redhat i played with, and i mess with live cds for fun sometimes
02:24<jm_>look in X logfile
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02:24<[[fw0rd]]>ya sec
02:24<jm_>no screen is something else
02:24<jm_>!x logfile
02:24<jm_>!xlogfile
02:24<jm_>blah
02:24<jm_>/var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:24<pwd>[[fw0rd]] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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02:25<[[fw0rd]]>ok. i tried that, think i need to log out and relog as root to run it, sound right?
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02:25<pwd>choose intel driver and correct frequency of your screen
02:25<pwd>log as root [[fw0rd]]
02:25<[[fw0rd]]>k
02:26<pwd>shit, 04:26 am
02:26<pwd>:S
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02:28<[[fw0rd]]>lol
02:28<pwd>what
02:28<[[fw0rd]]>4:26 am :)
02:28<[[fw0rd]]>ok looks like it's up thanks :)
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02:29<pwd>:)
02:29<[[fw0rd]]>debian ... is creamy
02:29<pwd>debian rocks!
02:29<[[fw0rd]]>ok i'll find out how much
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02:31<[[fw0rd]]>ok i want more stuff
02:31<[[fw0rd]]>like an irc client, for one :)
02:32<pwd>bitchx!
02:32<[[fw0rd]]>yeah... ok. not a clue as to how to install shit on it. guess i'll find out
02:33<jm_>!grounding
02:33<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
02:33<jm_>read some of that
02:34<[[fw0rd]]>thx
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02:58<valdyn>+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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03:11<peyman>hi everyone
03:11<peyman>anyone knows where can i ask questions about distributed file system implementation?
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03:23<alaya>on the mailing list?
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03:23<alaya>i only know drbd
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03:26<peyman>alaya: thank you
03:27<peyman>alaya: i guess that is not what i'm asking
03:28<peyman>i'm actually implementing a distributed file system, and in some part, i got stock, so i wanted to ask an expert how do they solve it.
03:29<peyman>and for such a question, reading source code shoudn't be necessary
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03:33<guanxf>hello
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03:36<morgan`>hello
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03:54<Bartman007>dpkg-buildpackage -sa reads 'name (comment) <email>' from a gpg uid, yet debian policy states the maintainer field should be 'name <email>' is this by design? am I perceiving a non-existant distinction between the name and comment fields in gpg uids?
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03:56<dondelelcaro>Bartman007: it doesn't really matter. You generally shouldn't be signing things using dpkg-buildpackage anyway.
03:57<dondelelcaro>Bartman007: only sign packages after you've tested that they're acceptable for release; when you're ready to do that, you use debsign -kYOURID foo_arch.changes
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04:00<Bartman007>dondelelcaro: cool, that doesn't fuss about the mismatch, thanks.
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04:07<dondelelcaro>Bartman007: np
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04:16<demokos>Bonjour à tous :)
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04:33<alaya>why is every sample ~/.ircrc i find retarded?
04:33<alaya>and the man page for ircii is equally retarded
04:33<jm_>heh
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04:42<dondelelcaro>alaya: why are you using ircii?
04:42<alaya>dondelelcaro: it seemed simple and straightforward, and i don't really want to do anything too complex
04:43<@Ganneff>use irssi
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04:43<jm_>what do you want to do?
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04:44<alaya>jm_: i have my own ircd-hybrid server running, and have a simple shell script for users that they run and it connects them to the default channel
04:45<dondelelcaro>alaya: yeah, you'll be happier with irssi.
04:45<alaya>trying it now
04:45<Schreck>Mmmm Is there any way to load the ssh-agent at the start of the machine... And type the password once for all ? When I log with putty, I should type it each time... :/
04:45<jm_>Schreck: you can start it with x session
04:46<jm_>alaya: sounds simple enough
04:46<Schreck>jm_ Well... Do you mean, that each time I open a new putty session, it's mandatory to type it again ?
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04:47<jm_>Schreck: ahh putty, you'll need to use it in your shell's startup files
04:47<alaya>no option for specifying channel is listed in man page nor in --help
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04:47<alaya>i don't want to hardwire the channel in the config file
04:47<jm_>alaya: indeed, you'll have to do it via on hook or use some other client that has it built in
04:48<alaya>well, ircII wins out in this case
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04:49<jm_>scrollz is ircii based and has this feature
04:49<alaya>what i like to do is put a script in ~/bin for each irc server, so irc-server1, irc-server2, etc. makes it very easy for the user
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04:50<alaya>ircII -c \#chat nick server:pass works well
04:50<alaya>too bad irssi doesn't take channel option :-(
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04:50<jm_>ahh it has -c, I forgot
04:51<jm_>man it has been really long since I last used it on a daily basis
04:51<alaya>-c is for server go figure.
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04:51<alaya>in ircII it is for channel
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04:52<jm_>what is your problem with ircii then?
04:52<alaya>jm_: only that others suggested irssi. but yes, will keep using it
04:52<alaya>it fills the need
04:52<Schreck>jm_ Okay thanks. I'm starting using Debian... So this line should be ok "ssh-agent | head -2 > ~/.agent-info && source ~/.agent-info && ssh-add"
04:52<jm_>ahh :)
04:53<alaya>then i only add a couple items in .ircrc that are global to all sessions, like logging, and bind key for channel switching
04:53<jm_>Schreck: you'd want to start it like eval $(ssh-agent)
04:54<Schreck>jm_ Well... What do you mean exactly ?
04:55<jm_>Schreck: run ssh-agent -s and see
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04:56<Schreck>Okay thanks jm_ ! :)
04:56<jm_>Schreck: ahh nevermind me, it works as ssh-agent too, but then your other commands might not work, so I suppose using -s is better option
04:57<jm_>so 'eval $(ssh-agent -s)' is the proper way
04:57<Schreck>It returns me the SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID
04:57<Schreck>Okay ! :)
04:57<Schreck>I'll try this
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05:04<alaya>I'm thinking about opening up my ircd-hybrid server to limited public use. any practical tips on how to avoid being hacked or what i can do?
05:04<alaya>e.g. what happens if someone tries to connect as 500 different users, or creates 5000 channels?
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05:05<jm_>you can limit global number of connections easily
05:07<alaya>jm_: ah i see number_per_ip in the config file
05:07<jm_>alaya: yeah new hybrid is a bit different, previously there were connection classes
05:07<alaya>jm_: in config file there are still classes i see: opers, server, users, ...
05:08<jm_>alaya: yup, pre-defined stuff
05:10<alaya>i don't see a way to create pre-defined channels
05:11<alaya>or set per-channel passwords
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05:15<alaya>god the config syntax looks like something you'd expect on a 30 year old vax server or something
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05:43<JustSoul>Hello
05:44<JustSoul>What kernel support intel 945 cjipset?
05:44<JustSoul>*chipset
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05:44<Torsten_W>kernel?
05:44<JustSoul>kernel version
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05:45<JustSoul>or how to install debian with network on PC with 945
05:46<Batchz0r>Hi
05:46<Batchz0r>When i plug in my usb drive, How do i access it?
05:46<JustSoul>Batchz0r: gui or console?
05:46<Batchz0r>GUI
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05:48<Batchz0r>i had a look in /media
05:48<JustSoul>I use usbmount for that
05:49<Batchz0r>ahh ok, installing now :)
05:51<Batchz0r>I don't think it mounted myy usb drive
05:51<Batchz0r>There are folders now in /media called usbx
05:51<Batchz0r>x = 0-9
05:51<Batchz0r>7*
05:52<chealer>JustSoul: better ask #kernel
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06:12<peyman>what is the package for java ant?
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06:14<Maulkin>peyman: ant
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06:16<peyman>Maulkin: thanks
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06:22<Ankho>hi all
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06:57<alaya>how can you assign yourself as an oper in ircd.conf if you are on dynamic IP?
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06:58<alaya>oh, maybe just @* duh
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07:02<alaya>god, it would be nice if they'd elucidate this stuff a bit in a man page or config file
07:03<petemc>im sure they take patches for documenation
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07:05<alaya>so i add an extra operator { stanza for each oper i want to add, but no idea if that is correct. appears not to work, and if i connect to channel with existing oper, i am not made oper, so have no idea what its even for
07:05<alaya>yeah it desperately needs it petemc
07:05<alaya>nor does it prompt for the password in the operator { stanza
07:06<alaya>and the default behavior of making the first user automatically oper in a channel seems stupid IMHO
07:06<jm_>IRC operators
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07:06<alaya> operator { stanza?
07:07<petemc>its standard to make the first user of a channel op
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07:08<alaya>"ircd-hybrid no longer supports local operators, privileges are controlled via flags." no idea what that means or where to set the flags
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07:09<alaya>and if it doesn't support it, why do they include the stanza in the config?
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07:09<jm_>yes operator is for IRC opers
07:10<alaya>so i created a stanza for myself. log in as that user but get no password prompt, and cannot escalate my user to oper
07:10<jm_>/oper foo passwd
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07:12<alaya>it responds "Only few of mere mortals may try to enter the twilight zone" ok maybe i need to check the stanza and make sure the wildcard is right
07:12<jm_>yeah and user the right word for foo
07:13<jm_>use*
07:13<alaya>figured that out ;-)
07:15<alaya>i wonder if it doesn't like user = "user@*"
07:15<alaya>but I'm on dynamic IP so can't use fixed address
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07:16<jm_>example is *god@*
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07:18<alaya>"You have entered... the Twilight Zone!"
07:18<alaya>hehe
07:19<alaya>hmm, but i cannot give or take ops from other people in channel which has a default oper
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07:23<alaya>so after i run /oper user pass if i try to say kick a user i get "#chat :You're not channel operator"
07:23<alaya>even though it claims to have assigned me oper privilges
07:23<jm_>yes, irc oper != channel oper
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07:28<alaya>scouring via google for any info on channel operator automatic assignment
07:29<jm_>chanserv maybe
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07:32<alaya>i can't get the logic behind this. it assumes you want the first person who logs into a channel to always be the oper
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07:32<alaya>maybe requires a source code hack or something to alleviate
07:34<jm_>yes that is how it has always been on IRC
07:34<alaya>if the server dies and restarts for any reason, then it is almost by pure chance which clients happen to be the first to reconnect
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08:06<PfeifendesLicht>http://my-schamhaar.de/showpage.php?uid=89464
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08:10<DTE>i have some trouble setting bind9 in a chroot and use syslog-ng
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08:20<alaya>O:*user@*:password:ogj but i get "-OperServ- Access Denied - no O-line"
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08:36<alaya>ah got it. i was missing a field.
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08:57<Garp>Hi.
08:58<Garp>Question (loosely related to Debian): does anybody know a tool to create a visual graph image of links in (or accross) web sites? (That would be Free Software and run under Debian, of course). Thanks.
08:58<Garp>it could output .dot files (graphviz) or something like this...
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09:25<morgan`>Garp, have you tried http://www.graphviz.org/Resources.php
09:25<morgan`>?
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09:27<reversi>hi
09:29<Garp>morgan: Yes, I read there, but couldnt find anything usefulm, unsel I missed something...
09:29<tor456789>hi =)
09:29<tor456789>à òóò ðóññêèå åñòü? =)
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09:29<padski>!ru
09:29<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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09:31<Marou>I have a question about how swapping works; is there a way to turn off swapping for a specific device? (speaking specifically of mounted truecrypt volumes)
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09:33<Marou>or, lacking that, whats the best way to junk the swap file contents when I shut down?
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09:34<padski>Marou, truncate the file ?
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09:40<merle>hey, i got some black borders from scanning in my pdf file and wonder how to cut them away ir replace with white color with imagemagick or a simliar tool. anyone some suggestions?
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09:41<Marou_>darn, got disconnected and didn't see if anyone answered my question
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09:42<Marou_>since I'm not sure if I got disconnected before or after it posted: I have a question about how swapping works; is there a way to turn off swapping for a specific device? (speaking specifically of mounted encrypted volumes)
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09:46<padski>Marou, man swapoff
09:47<hathe>does swapoff erase file content?
09:47<Marou>padski: I checked that but it mainly has swapon commands, in reading it again I think it has a blurb that will do what I want
09:48<Marou>hathe: no
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09:49<padski>returning to the "erase a swapfile" question. are swapfiles elastic in size ? presumably you want to leave a swapfile there for next time so it would need a swapfile signature at the start.
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09:52<Marou>my swap is on a partition set up for it and is a static size
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10:02<Aleric>Hi all, does anyone have ANY .swx file on his harddisk please? What is the output of: file whatever.swx ?
10:02<Aleric>Same for .swpx
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10:06<Marou>swapoff command does not seem to work for /media volumes
10:06<OdyX>Aleric: no .sw{p}x here...
10:07<Aleric>OdyX: Thanks
10:07<Marou>I also have none Aleric
10:07<Aleric>They are temporary files, so it's not likely anyone has one :/
10:07<OdyX>Marou: you have a swap on a mounted /media/ ?
10:08<Marou>OdyX: No, I have mounted media I will be manipulating from my system and I don't want any of the files on it going into my swap file (encrypted volume)
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10:08<OdyX>Marou: I don't think that this is the purpose of swapoff
10:09<Marou>Well, you can tell it not to swap a certain file...which seems kind of useless...
10:09<OdyX>and I don't thnik it is possible to discriminate the data going in the swap..
10:09<OdyX>"Swapon is used to specify devices on which paging and swapping are to take place."
10:09<OdyX>"on which" not "from which"
10:09<OdyX>...
10:10<Marou>ah, well...do you know a way to scramble swap file contents so I can do that after I finish with my crypto?
10:10<OdyX>Marou: the swap is in anycase just a bunch of memory registers...
10:10<Marou>accessing some confidential material and don't want any traces of it left on my machine when I finish
10:10<OdyX>it is not ordered data...
10:10<OdyX>Marou: this is _not possible_
10:11<OdyX>Marou: if you access to data, there is big chance that this data at least goes to RAM...
10:11<Marou>its ok if it goes to ram
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10:11<Marou>10 mins after the machine is powered off ram is unrecoverable
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10:11<OdyX>and it was recently proved that even after powering down, the data in RAM can remain accessible (particularily when using low low low temperature)...
10:11<Marou>yeah, I read that on tor
10:12<OdyX>Marou: you can disable your swap for the time you're accessing your disk...
10:12<Marou>but, there is a short window to do that, and my data is not THAT sensitive, haha
10:12<OdyX>short window.... (can be several hours when using low temperatures)
10:13<Marou>I guess so, I was just looking for a better solution if there was one. In windows I just keep my swap twofish encrypted, but I'm too lazy to set that up in deb
10:13<OdyX>Marou: I have my whole system (except /boot) on dm-crypt + LVM (including swap).
10:13<OdyX>So in case of "danger", I can just power down...
10:13<OdyX>my swap is encrypted => no way to read it (except "live")
10:14<Marou>question about encrypted swap and dmcrypt. I'm new to 'nix and have never used either
10:15<Marou>In windows, I have a truecrypt plugin called tctemp, that generates a random password (which it holds in memory while windows is up) and uses that for /swap encryption until the session is ending, where it closes it, and overwrites the ram segment
10:15<Marou>can you do something similiar with dmcrypt?
10:15<OdyX>everything you can imagine !
10:15<OdyX>;-)
10:16<Marou>can you point me towards some good resources to get started with encryption on Linux?
10:16<Marou>I don't want to be a goober and ask 9843759 questions here when the data is probably laid out nice on a privacy/security wiki somewhere
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10:17<OdyX>man dm-crypt
10:18<OdyX>nope.. false.. Sorry
10:18<Marou>yeah, tried that one already
10:18<Marou>heh
10:18<OdyX>http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php
10:18<Marou>thanks
10:18<kapil>man cryptsetup
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10:20<kapat>Anyone know what the valid strings are for "date -d string"?
10:21<kapat>The man page doesn't say
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10:23<kapil>Marou, OdyX, to blow my own trumpet there is also "http://linuxgazette.net/140/kapil.html"
10:23<OdyX>cool.
10:23<Marou>kapil: Thanks, very nice resource
10:26<petemc>kapat: date -d "+1 day"
10:26<kapil>kapat: info date check "General Date Syntax"
10:27<kapat>petemc: Where did you find that?
10:27<kapat>petemc: ahh, ok
10:27<petemc>i knew it already
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10:29<SiLuMaN>test
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10:32<Marou>Another few privacy security questions if anyone is up for them
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10:33<asdsa>Hello
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10:34<Marou>1) I know you can urandom delete files to fill them with junk data, but using a journalling filesystem there are bits and pieces of it left all over the hard drive, is there a linux tool to clean free space and cluster heads?
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10:35<Marou>2) Is there any type of support for steno'd hidden volumes in standard nix encryption tools?
10:36<Aleric>Marou: The journal story is nonsense - just erase the journal too (after umounting it).
10:36<Aleric>If you are serious, I can tell you how to do that, you'd have to use dd several times.
10:36<Marou>its not nonsense, do a raw hex search of your hard drive for contents of a deleted document after its been around a while. Because the file migrates around the hard drive there are bits of it left
10:36<kapil>Marou: for (1) there is "shred"
10:37<padski>Marou, what do you mean "cluster heads" ?
10:37<Aleric>Marou: I said: wipe the journal too
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10:37<Marou>I'm serious, and I appreciate the info
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10:37<kapil>if you use "shred" with some iterations it would probably clear the data reasonably well.
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10:38<nicola>salve a tutti
10:38<Garp>Marou: dd your disk, and then use a crypted partition. AFAIK dm-crypt have a noption to fill your disk with random data when initializing it as a cryptfs
10:38<Aleric>Marou: pm
10:38<nicola>qualcuno puo aiutarmi
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10:48<padski>I have written a patch to a prog in debian. the upstream appears to have been quiet for a very long time, and the patch adds a feature. I would be happy to see what can be done in the longer term to get my patch out through distribution, but in the short term what verison number should I use ?
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10:49<azeem>padski: what do you mean with version number?
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10:50<azeem>if you want to submit the patch to the Debian BTS, submit it against latest unstable
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10:51<padski>azeem, I need to use this code whether anyone else will pick the patch up or not, but need to consider the implications of possible security updates.
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10:51<padski>azeem, the version in etch is z-ipupdate-3.0.11b8-11.1
10:52<padski>azeem, I'm quite happy to opst the patch up to the BTS, but I want to know how I should proceed in numbering my own packages (on the assumption that patch does not go in) in the meantime
10:53<azeem>rebuilds of the .deb you mean?
10:53<kapil>i would use something like 3.0.11b8-11.2~kap.1
10:53<azeem>yeah
10:53<padski>azeem, yes. I am going to put an entry in the changelog, build and distribute through my own repo
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10:55<padski>so if there were a security update to 3.0.11b8-11.1, what would it be called 3.0.11b8-11.1etch1 ?
10:56<azeem>I think so, yes
10:56<kapil>padski: so 3.0.11b8-11.2 would supercede my package.
10:56<azeem>check the security FAQ
10:56<padski>azeem, thanks I'll take a look.
10:57<padski>it is a bit academic in this case, but I've run into this elsewhere and I'm still trying to get it into my head
10:57<OdyX>padski: hum.. I think Debian does not add feature to packages...
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10:57<OdyX>even if upstream's dead.
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10:59<padski>OdyX, that was my guess. if the upstream is dead then I will consider resurrecting it to a venue like sourceforge.
10:59<azeem>OdyX: why do you think that?
10:59<OdyX>padski: yes... take over upstream...
10:59<kapil>OdyX: depends on what you call a feature. Debian has added manpages to packages for example.
10:59<OdyX>azeem: that's my feeling of the way Debian works...
11:00<OdyX>true for manpages...
11:00<azeem>OdyX: it's not my feeling
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11:00<OdyX>azeem: pointer ?
11:00<azeem>you can't generalize that, some Debian Developer's might consider adding features locally to Debian if there is enough user demand
11:00<kapil>new features are generally not added for "stable".
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11:01<azeem>nor bug fixes, that's besides the point
11:01<kapil>in unstable with a dead upstream anything is possible.
11:02<padski>this makes the -i option use SO_BINDTODEVICE, which is quite intuitive, but also quite intrusive. if I go as far as a resurrection, I will put on a different hat and consider making it a new optino.
11:02<azeem>even with a responsive upstream, a Debian Developer might opt to implement or apply a feature request/patch first and then forward it upstream
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11:02<padski>you could argue that it is a bugfix :-)
11:04<kapil>as long as you do not break existing functionality, it could be added. file a bug report with a patch. you might be surprised!
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11:05<padski>kapil, anyone who was relying on the behaviour I consider a bug would be unpleasantly surprised ;-)
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11:06<kapil>in that case it may be better to put it in as a new option which amends the old functionality.
11:07<padski>kapil, frustratingly, yes.
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11:07<kapil>don't forget to patch the manpage and/or other documentation as well! a bit boring perhaps, but essential.
11:07<padski>kapil, but it is quite a bit more code :-)
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11:08<OdyX>azeem: good. I didn't think it was possible. Good to know. Thanks !
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11:09<padski>kapil, the man page reads "-i, --interface <iface> which interface to use", I could add "-I, --device <iface> which interface to REALLY use' ;-)
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11:11<kapil>padski: i was think more along the lines of "-I <0|1> force the -i option to bind to real interface (default 0)"
11:12<padski>kapil, that's --really ;-)
11:12<kapil>s/think/thinking/
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11:32<imatsu>Someone has configured squid3 + dansguardian?, the proxy is transparent
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11:32<petemc>ive set up squid as a transparent proxy in the past
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11:33<imatsu>When I try enter to any website, ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved
11:34<imatsu>On iptables have -> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
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11:35<imatsu>If configure my web browser with IP proxy 192.168.0.1 and port 8080, dansguard found
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11:35<imatsu>please help me
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11:35<petemc>is eth0 the interface connected to the lan?
11:35<imatsu>petemc, yes
11:35<petemc>that looks fine
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11:37<imatsu>petemc, on pc 192.168.0.2 open a website and squid block the site
11:37<imatsu>all sites
11:38<imatsu>if i configured on my web browser, squid and dansguardian found
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11:39<imatsu>but i need the proxy transparent, my clients can not see the proxy on the web browser
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11:39<knoppix_>hi all
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11:40<Guest327>any 1 home
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11:42<rabby>hi
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11:42<rabby>how to start the alsa mixer (gui)? how is it called?
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11:45<imatsu>rabby, alsaconf
11:45<imatsu>rabby, apt-get install alsa-utils
11:46<rabby>the alsa-utils are already installed and the service is started, too.
11:47<imatsu>rabby, the execute alsaconf
11:47<rabby>but there is no alsamixer or sth. like that in the task bar (or how the place next to the clock is called)
11:47<rabby>not even alsaconf is there
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11:48<twb>Under what circumstances would `host foo.local' work. but `ping foo.local' fail with `unable to resolve foo.local'?
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11:49<rabby>locate alsaconf tells me, there is nothing
11:49<valdyn>twb: when your resolver is broken
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11:50<twb>It seems that ping treats .local specially.
11:50<valdyn>twb: or when the host issssss ipv only
11:50<valdyn>twb: or when the host issssss ipv6 only
11:50<twb>Aha, someone told me .local triggers the evil mdsn crap in nsswitch
11:50<valdyn>twb: i wouldnt know about that
11:51<padski>I have gone with 3.0.11b8-11.1~padski1 in the end.
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11:52<rabby>i try to reinstall the alsa-utils
11:53<imatsu>rabby, on a terminal as root execute apt-get install alsa-utils
11:53<valdyn>rabby: apt-cache show alsamixergui ; apt-cache show gnome-alsamixer
11:53<imatsu>rabby, after the installation execute as root alsaconf
11:53<rabby>ok, thx so far
11:54<rabby>that's it: gnome-alsamixer
11:54<rabby>i wonder how it got removed...
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11:59<DAI>hello
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12:01<rabby>now i can start gnome-alsamixer, but it does not show up next to the clock where i want it...
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12:03<bernardo>whatup
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12:07<bernardo>I need to know if anyone has ever used debian on iPAQ
12:08<padski>bernardo, see intimate
12:08<Maulkin>The emdebian lot probably have
12:08<padski>bernardo, on handhelds.org
12:08<bernardo>padski: ok, thanks
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12:09<padski>bernardo, I have debian on an HTC universal, which is very similar to an ipaq (htc manufactured the original ipaqs I believe)
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12:10<bernardo>padski: but how do you installed it?
12:10<padski>bernardo, debootstrap
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12:11<bernardo>padski: I'm a little confused... The debian port for arm will work on the iPAQ or not?
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12:12<padski>bernardo, I have an ipaq H3630. it has an sa1100 processor, and needs armv4 (i think), what have you got ?
12:13<bernardo>padski: iPAQ hx2495
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12:13<bernardo>padski: the processor I'm not sure....
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12:19<paistis>how debian fits to cluster solution?
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12:21<padski>bernardo, looks like a pxa270
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12:22<padski>bernardo, there may be out-of-linus-tree drivers at places like handehelds.org.
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12:22<bernardo>padski: do you have any ideas?
12:22<padski>bernardo, I have many ideas ;-)
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12:23<bernardo>padski: :) good, so how can I proceed in the migration?
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12:24<padski>bernardo, handhelds.org and the familiar distribution used to be the way to put linux on your ipaq back in the day. it looks a bit quiet there on the surface, and I know there has been some politics, but people are still about.
12:24<drunken_wallaby>hi everyone. i've a big problem with mysql. i was trying to update stable to sid which failed. not i cannot start mysql (among other things). is there a way to get a backup from my mysql databases without the need of mysql-server running?
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12:25<bernardo>padski: hummm.... and what about debian?
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12:28<padski>bernardo, a quick google turns up someone putting ubuntu on an hx2495, so I would guess it might even just work :-) suggest you boot from removable media rather than bricking it
12:29<padski>bernardo, see also http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/IpaqHx2750?highlight=%28ipaq%29
12:29<bernardo>padski: oh...i will take a look then, tahnks
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12:30<captainchris>hi everybody, how< to remove Other item in Application menu ?
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12:31<fatal>hello. I've borrowed an iPod and try to access it, but it doesn't show up in eigther Rhythmbox nor Banshee when I insert it... anyone know how to troubleshoot it?
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12:43<padski>so version 1~1 sorts *before* version 1 ? but 2~1 still sorts after 1etch1 ?
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12:44<fatal>padski: yes
12:44<fatal>padski: try it yourself with dpkg --compare-versions 1~1 '<<' 1
12:44<padski>so what version do I use to sort in between 1 and 1etch1
12:44<fatal>echo $?
12:45<fatal>0 means true, 1 means false.
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12:45<padski>fatal, thanks handy tip!
12:45<jamuraa>works good with release candidates: 1.0~rc1 sorts before 1.0
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12:47<padski>yes, I see what it is for. but it is not what I wanted. I want something to sort between 1 and 1etch1
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12:50<fatal>padski: you can use 1 followed by anything before e.
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12:50<fatal>1amyversion1
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12:51<padski>is there anything before a ?
12:52<padski>where is the order documented ?
12:52<padski>does a~ come before a :-)
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12:52<padski>ouch
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12:53<fatal>http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
12:54<fatal>dpkg --compare-versions 1A1 '<<' 1a1 ; echo $?
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12:54<padski>fatal, thanks. that is what I was looking for :-)
12:55<fatal>man ascii gives you the order... but I think you should probably avoid anything that's not a-z, A-Z, 0-9 :)
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12:58<padski>so, 1<<a but 1a <<11
12:58<padski>:-)
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13:18<mwaltz>I'm having a problem with NFS, I get a stale file handle on two NFS shares and when I umount then issue mount -a, Etch can no longer resolve hosts, but still has network connectivity.
13:19<mwaltz>I looked for bug reports, but I don't know if it's a problem with NFS, mount, or networking in general, any ideas?
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13:23<Flakk>Hello people. I have a very basic question about browsers. My distrib is etch debian stable. I have now Mozilla 1.5 I would like to install iceweasel, since i understand that it is basically equivalent to Mozilla 2.0, and Mozilla 2.0 itself will not be available for debian, only iceweasel is OK. The questionis: when I will install iceweasel, will I still keep the old Mozilla (I would prefer it) or will it be destroyed?
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13:24<buffoon>Flakk, well, try apt-get install iceweasel... it'll ask before removing other packages
13:24<mwaltz>Flakk, do you mean Mozilla Firefox?
13:24<Flakk>yes Firefox, I am sorry
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13:28<Flakk>buffoon: oh ok, and by the way what is your own experience?
13:28<buffoon>about what? Firefox? well, I'm an Opera guy =)
13:29<Flakk>Oh I see ))
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13:32<Flakk>Maybe anyone has some experience with changing from Firefox to iceweasel?
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13:33<mwaltz>Flakk, there is no difference other than the name/artwork. You'll see a difference moving form 1.5 to 2.0 however, added features, etc.
13:33<azeem>Flakk: why do you want to keep the old Iceweasel?
13:34<Flakk>mwaltz: well that is why I want to change, some sites say they are optimized for Firefox 2.0, and this is visible...
13:34<path>Flakk, but they share the same render :)
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13:34<azeem>Flakk: it's probably not possible
13:35<Flakk>azeem: well just I am afraid that if by any reason iceweasel does not work or works badly on my machine, I will have problems,
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13:35<Flakk>azeem: what is not possible?
13:35-!-Caino [~DarkLAB@ingnat-193.unime.it] has quit [Quit: http://www.OScene.net Take a look ;)]
13:36<Flakk>path: what is render, sorry?
13:36<path>Flakk, look up in google 'gecko'
13:37<mwaltz>Flakk, on the 5 or so debian systems I've used that made the jump from 1.5 Firefox to 2.0 Iceweasel I had no issues
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13:38<Flakk>mwaltz: and when you made these jumps, did you lose the Firefox completely?
13:38<rrbox>when is KDE 3.5.9 coming to debian repositories ?
13:38<Flakk>I mean you do not have the Firefox as it was on your machines?
13:38<chealer>rrbox: ask #debian-kde
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13:40<mwaltz>Flakk, no, it just changed it's name an icon to iceweasel, it works just like normal firefox. Here's some more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel
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13:42<Flakk>mwaltz: Ok that is what I wanted to know, well if your experience is that the changing does not create any issues I guess I can hope for this for my machine
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13:53<buffoon>i just saw that when i install festival it just asks 1 time for the password... what if i put made a mistake while typing it in?
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13:55<benjamin__>identify the_dude
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13:55<junky>hi all
13:55<benjamin__>hi
13:55<junky>I have a big problem
13:55<junky>hi benjamin
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13:56<junky>I have installed Debian ETCH with lighttpd + php5 +mysql
13:56<junky>on my vps
13:57<junky>now, I don't know how goes on
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13:59<junky>hmm everybody is busy
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13:59<tore>buffoon: dpkg-reconfigure festival
14:00<junky>tore do you talk with me=
14:00<tore>if you were asking: 19:53:27 < buffoon> i just saw that when i install festival it just asks 1 time for the password... what if i put made a mistake while typing it in?
14:00<tore>so yes
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14:02<buffoon>well, ok... good suggestions
14:02<buffoon>simple, but good =)
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14:03<buffoon>ok, time to boot the new kernel... brb
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14:08<junky>no one can help me to set up vps?
14:08<tore>what's your problem? ;-o
14:08<junky>tore I have a big problem
14:09<junky>I discribe it to you, I bought a vps and installed debian etc on it
14:09<junky>than with aptitude install lighttpb then php5 and mysql
14:10<junky>my problem is, how goes on?
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14:10<junky>I don't know it
14:11<junky>If I try to set mysql pass ist not working
14:11<tore>http://blog.thembid.com/index.php/2007/04/05/build-scalable-web-20-sites-with-ubuntu-symfony-and-lighttpd/ - it's for ubuntu, but it should be almost the same process
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14:13<tore>junky: what command are you using when you are trying to set the mysql password?
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14:13<junky>cool, thank you I try it now
14:14<vsayikiran>First i have run aptitude update followed by aptitude upgrade. I get a message that some pacakges are unused and will be removed. Why does this message come?
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14:15<ths_>hello all
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14:16<ths_>i have a problem with my distribution debian, my mplayer couldn't read a .avi file is that normal?
14:16<ths_>i need some codecs, or?
14:16<vsayikiran>please help me with aptitude. i am able to understand its behavior. after running aptitude update command, it is asking to remove some files just they arent used so frequently
14:17<ths_>can someone help me?
14:17<vsayikiran>ths_: try apt-get install w32codecs
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14:18<ths_>couldn't find package w32codecs
14:18<ths_>vsayikiran, couldn't find package w32codecs
14:19<lontra>!tell ths_ about debian-multimedia
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14:20<ths_>thx lontra
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14:21<lontra>ths_: no problem
14:21<vsayikiran>by mistake i have uninstalled gdm is there any problem
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14:21<bojan1>i.used.xorg.configuration.and,now,i,cant.change,keyboard,back,to,normal
14:21<lontra>vsayikiran: you'll have to start X now by hand
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14:22<vsayikiran>lontra: what did you mean that
14:22<lontra>vsayikiran: probably best to reinstall gdm then :)
14:22<vsayikiran>lontra: tell me how to start that
14:22<lontra>vsayikiran: as a regular user type: startx
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14:23<vsayikiran>lontra: is gdm different from gnome
14:23<junky>tore how can I control that mySQL is installed or not=
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14:23<bojan1>add.layout,is,disabeled
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14:23<junky>in windows I write chksk? but in debian?
14:24<lontra>vsayikiran: yes and i can't help you answer these questions any more i am studying. google can help or others
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14:25<vsayikiran>lontra: i am deep trouble i need quick help from you
14:25<vsayikiran>after installing will google
14:25<junky>vsaykiran he will not help you he is busy
14:25<tore>junky: dpkg -l |grep mysql
14:25<junky>tore thank you
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14:25<tore>see if it's running by ps aux |grep mysql
14:25<lontra>vsayikiran: what do you need? to reinstall gdm? type apt-get install gdm
14:26<vsayikiran>lontra: thanks for that. but i have ran aptitude update that caused it remove gdm, gedit and many pacakges
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14:26<vsayikiran>lontra: what is reason for this?
14:26<bojan1>how.do.i.autodetect.keyboard.
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14:27<lontra>vsayikiran: you probably remove a package with aptitude that removed the gnome metapackage and when you ran aptitude update it thought you don't need them anymore
14:28<vsayikiran>lontra: yes exactly, it showed a message that following pacakges are not needed, do you want to remove
14:29<vsayikiran>lontra: by mistake, i entered Y
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14:30<lontra>vsayikiran: what did you want to remove? do you still want to keep gnome and gdm, etc.?
14:31<vsayikiran>lontra: but i didnt remove any package with aptitude, i just ran aptitude update then aptitude upgrade, finally aptitude showed me the message that some pacakges are not needed, any i want to reinstall gdm gedit and many other packages of gnome metapackage
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14:32<vsayikiran>lontra: so i am having doubt that why an update caused so many packages to be removed
14:32<lontra>vsayikiran: well i'm not exactly what you did initially but to remedy this problem run: aptitude install gnome gnome-desktop
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14:33<vsayikiran>lontra: ok
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14:33<lontra>vsayikiran: you must have removed a metapackage or some package and aptitude thought the rest where just left over dependencies. if you want to be safer you can run 'apt-get' instead of aptitude for managing packages. that way when you run apt-get upgrade it won't remove packages just because you removed meta-packages
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14:34<vsayikiran>lontra: so you say its always safe to use apt-get for installing, re-installing or removing any pacakge
14:35<craig>apt-get doesnt tend to remove things like aptitude does
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14:36<junky>tore if I install php5 it says /dev/mem no such file or directory
14:37<vsayikiran>craig: ok, but please tell me isnt it safe to use aptitude for installing, updating and upgrading packages
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14:37<lontra>vsayikiran: i'd say that aptitude is a bit more quirky than apt-get and since apt-get now has apt-get autoremove the extra bonus of managing packages with aptitude to remove dependecies isn't only there
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14:37<lontra>vsayikiran: it is safe to use aptitude but you shouldn't mix apt-get and aptitude ... use one or the other.
14:38<junky>aptitude ist better than apt-get because apt-get is now old
14:38<lontra>vsayikiran: where you sound like you're a bit new to debian i'd suggest just sticking with apt-get
14:38<lontra>vsayikiran: or if you use aptitude just make sure you read what it's doing ;)
14:38<vsayikiran>lontra: ok i am using debian for last 4 months
14:38<lontra>vsayikiran: i've been using aptitude to manage a mixed system with testing, unstable, and experimental repos and it works fine
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14:39<vsayikiran>lontra: so apt-get is better or aptitude interms of package management
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14:40<lontra>vsayikiran: they're both fine
14:40<junky>aptitude I wrote it upon
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14:40<lontra>vsayikiran: some prefer aptitude some apt-get ... it's preference ...
14:41<craig>most debian ppl will say aptitude and it is the recommended package manager, personally i like apt-get the 1 and only time i tried aptitude it wanted to remove kde
14:41<vsayikiran>lontra: but junky says aptitude is better, so you say i should not run both aptitude and apt-get at a time
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14:42<lontra>vsayikiran: it really doesn't matter. as craig said you and you know, using aptitude can sometimes screw up your system if you're not paying attention
14:43<vsayikiran>lontra: i remember i removed cupsys package that could be the reason why aptitude showed that some of the packages and libs are not needed
14:43<junky>tore I tray to set up a root password with mysqladmin -u root password yourrootsqlpassword but its not working
14:44<craig>aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have.
14:44<bojan1>why.is.add.keyboard.layout.disabeled.on.mine.ubuntu
14:45<craig>because ubuntu sucks
14:45<vsayikiran>lontra: you told if someone is using aptitude they need to stick to it. they should not mix with apt-get, but where is that starting point. in order to use aptitude do i have to reinstall debian
14:45<OdyX>!ubuntu
14:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:45<craig>vsayikiran: if you want to use aptitude and you have been using apt-get do aptitude keep-all
14:46<bojan1>okthanks
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14:46<tore>junky: http://www.netadmintools.com/art90.html
14:47<vsayikiran>craig: so after aptitude keep-all , can i use aptitude forever and ignore apt-get
14:47<craig>yes
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14:47<gloupy>hi
14:47<dpkg_bro>hi gloupy
14:47<gloupy>is there a better performance with networking in xen compared to vmware ?
14:48<gloupy>i have used vmware but network i/o is really bad
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14:52<vsayikiran>craig: you say that aptitude is most preferred, then why are using apt-get, is there any special reason. which package manager do advanced users commonly use/prefer?
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14:52<vsayikiran>craig: i mean why you prefer apt-get over aptitude
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14:53<craig>aptitude tried to eat kde, because i had a kdelib held , where apt-get just held the packages back that were depends of it
14:53<OdyX>gloupy: these are not to be compared... like comparing apples and oranges..
14:53<craig>plus i run sid, aptitude seems to have issues with all the changes, apt-get works just fine
14:54<OdyX>xen should have "near-native" networking...
14:54<OdyX>woops. you meant vmware-_server_ ...
14:54<OdyX>sorry.
14:54<OdyX>then I don't know
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14:54<vsayikiran>craig: but on stable debian versions would you prefer apt-get or aptitude, which one a advanced user would use?
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14:55<OdyX>vsayikiran: I find aptitude more powerful...
14:55<craig>aptitude > aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes).
14:55<sepski>vsayikiran, an advanced user would read the release notes, and there notice that aptitude is prefered now days and hence use aptitude
14:56<gloupy>yes but i read in some docs that xen network performance was bad
14:56<gloupy>do you have experience with xen and you have measured network performance ?
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14:57<lontra>an advanced user would stil be using dselect?
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14:58<sepski>lontra, advanced user != old relic :)
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14:58<Hectron>Hello everybody I have a doubt about debian ( or linux in general)
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14:59<vsayikiran>lontra: dselect that more powerful than aptitude
14:59<[[fw0rd]]>Hectron: yes, you can watch porn on it.
14:59<Hectron>My computer went out of order, the bios system does not start
14:59<[[fw0rd]]>getting an irc client, I have yet to accomplish
14:59<guillaume>hello, I change recently from testing to unstable. My laptop is a centrino duo 2ghz. I found that cpu thermal sensor seem to be hot (between 43°C and 62°C) is it normal ? (I run compiz-fusion with nvidia driver)
14:59<Hectron>the technician says the problem was linux
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15:00<nicola>hello to all
15:00<Hectron>says that linux can damage hardware; is it true?
15:00<sepski>Hectron, the technician must be on drugs. and may have a mental issue.
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15:01<lontra>vsayikiran: omg ... don't use dselect and lets pretend i never said it
15:01<nicola>someoneto help me
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15:01<Hectron>said linux works on "low level" and windows on "high level" so Windows cannot damage the hardware, but linux uses certain commands that can make the compuetr crash
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15:02<sepski>Hectron, sounds more like a way of wiggeling out of the guarantee
15:02<[[fw0rd]]>there's hardware abstraction on both platforms
15:03<[[fw0rd]]>I'm sure Windows can destroy computers just as well as Linux can
15:03<Hectron>The computer used to start the bios, then a GRUB starter to choose from either Windows or Linux, and I started usin Linux Debian in a continuos way since it was exciting to me
15:03<vsayikiran>lontra: what is this omg, there are so many pacakges in debian, sometimes it makes diffucult for a new user to chose a particular package
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15:04<nicola>configure webcan in the linux
15:04<Hectron>but then it froze. Since not the mouse or the keyboard responded I pressed the reset button
15:04<sepski>Hectron, once upon a time you could damage your monitor by feeding it out of sync signals. but that's ages ago, and was valid for _all_ operating systems
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15:05<Hectron>The Linux could not start and sent messsages . I decided Than maybe I had to reload the Linux from de CD
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15:05<nicola>someone help me!!!!!!!!!
15:05<sepski>Hectron, you can also using some special kernel modules write to flash ram (eg bios setting) but a simple clearing of the bios (jumper or battery) would fix any mess you made. and i dont think you have used those modules or you would not ask
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15:05<Kebianizao>Hello
15:05<lontra>vsayikiran: just use aptitude or apt-get ... i was making a joke about deselect ... disregard it
15:05<lontra>Kebianizao: hi
15:05<Hectron>but then... the bios does not start anymore
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15:06<Kebianizao>look, after having run i386 for about 2 years, I've noticed today that my cpu is amd64 capable :S
15:06<Kebianizao>what's the best way to upgrade to amd64?
15:06<Hectron>no, I did not use any command, I have been usig this for a month and I was pretty happy with it
15:07<sepski>Hectron, coincidence. try resetting the bios
15:07<sepski>Kebianizao, reinstall
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15:07<Kebianizao>sepski: :S oh, noooo
15:07<Kebianizao>you sure?
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15:07<Hectron>Resetting? Does it no reset every time you start the computer?
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15:07<Kebianizao>that would be _very_ sad
15:08<vsayikiran>lontra: ok whatever it may be. i was going through the man pages of aptitude i didnt get this thing "\fB-\fR". what does it mean?
15:08<sepski>Kebianizao, you can ofcourse keep your /home partition and only reinstall the system . and a dpkg --get-selection will give you your package list so you can quickly install the packages you had
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15:08<mwaltz>Kebianizao, you'll need to re-install the entire OS. Backup your /home and /etc and reinstall with amd64
15:09<sepski>Hectron, no the bios saves it's settings with the help of a battery on the motherboard
15:09<OdyX>Kebianizao: try to search on the planet.. I remember some devel had done this transition...
15:09<sepski>Hectron, there is usualy a jumper next to the battery that disconenct the battery. and clears the bios back to factory defaults
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15:10<Kebianizao>OdyX: any clue for the search?
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15:10<Kebianizao>thanks all BTW ;)
15:10<sepski>if you can't locate the jumper just remove the battery for 10 secs
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15:10<Hectron>ah, yes. You mean that maybe the battery might be dead? So the replacement might bring the bios default settings back ?
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15:10<sepski>Hectron, the machine would boot with a dead battery.
15:10<vsayikiran>what does "\fB-\fR" mean in man pages of aptitude?
15:10<sepski>Hectron, just be reset on each day
15:10<OdyX>Kebianizao: I'm looking... will ping you when found.
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15:11<Hectron>the point is that there is no image in the monitor anymore (of course the monitor works with other computer) the CPU is not sending signal
15:11<Kebianizao>OdyX: got this http://www.khensu.org/index.php?itemid=205 but looks only kernel, I planned to do a 2 steps migrating kernle would be the first :)
15:11<sepski>that means bios screwup. or hardware failure and it not related to the os you are running.
15:11<m4steR>i'm using debian etch, and i don't know what bittorrent software to use...
15:11<Hectron>or it could be an unluck coincidence of other kind of failure
15:11<sepski>so you first try resetting bio
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15:12<sepski>Hectron, then if that fail you try removing/replaceing components until you find the error
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15:12<m4steR>what bittorrent software to use?
15:12<fabio>i use transmission
15:12<Hectron>Ok, I just wanted to be sure that the OS could not damage the computer to that point just for using Linux, I wanted to be sure that the reason must be another
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15:12<sepski>Hectron, and i would not trust a technician that thinks linux can damage hardware more then the next OS, to do anything worthwhile.
15:13<Hectron>which makes more sense to me
15:13<sepski>Hectron, correct
15:13<junky>tore its not working I will reset evertyhing and reinstall debian etch
15:13<Hectron>common sense says that not so many people would switch to Linux if they are expecting such problems
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15:14<Hectron>Ok sepski thanks a lot for your help. I think I better ask to another technician
15:15<sepski>good luck
15:15<mambo>hectron: really download a debian livecd and try it yourself. :)
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15:16<OdyX>Kebianizao: everything I find seems to converge towards a reinstallation. I you correctly save your /etc and /home, it should be straightforward...
15:16<vsayikiran>can someone help me, what does "\fB \fR" mean in man pages of aptitude
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15:16<sepski>mambo, ummm.. he's been running linux for months :P
15:16<Hectron>I installed the Debian KDE and it worked fine except to set the printer
15:16<alaya>anyone know with ircd-hybrid how to change it from automatically assigning channel operator status to first user who joins channel, or do somehow de-op them?
15:16<Kebianizao>Hectron: what was the problem?
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15:16<Hectron>it took me like a week to find the correct files
15:16<mambo>oops sepski.. not follow early discussion
15:17<Kebianizao>thanks OdyX I'll look what I see, maybe if I reboot using a 64bit kernel and then I do update&upgrade could make it
15:17<Hectron>the computer failed . The bios does not start
15:17<OdyX>Kebianizao: you can have a "64 bit enabled kernel" under i386..
15:17<OdyX>but then... the transition is not _that_ easy to do...
15:17<OdyX>no idea how 32bits init will react to a 64bits libc ...
15:17<Kebianizao>I'd praise the aptitude lord, I have little to loose
15:18<OdyX>the arch seems hard-compiled in dpkg (dpkg --print-architecture)
15:18<sepski>alaya, does it support services like chanserv ?
15:18<Hectron>ok, thanks to all. Bye
15:18<OdyX>so you'd have to replace dpkg, apt, aptitude, the main libs...
15:18<Kebianizao>another more conservative option is creating a new /root and /usr partitions
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15:19<alaya>sepski: yes, i have chanserv running, but it still makes the first user to join oper by default
15:19<OdyX>Kebianizao: in that case, you're half the way down to a backup of /etc/ and /home...
15:19<Kebianizao>OdyX: I like taking risks, ;)
15:19<OdyX>Kebianizao: Then take them, but blog about your solution !
15:19<OdyX>;-)
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15:19<Plokko>hi
15:19<Kebianizao>OdyX: I'm not a blogger but I'll come back to you :P
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15:19<Plokko>i have a problem with amd 690G chipset
15:20<OdyX>Kebianizao: I'm no blogger either...
15:20<OdyX>Kebianizao: then post on debian-devel or such (could be of help)...
15:20<Kebianizao>OdyX: at least you'll know
15:20<alaya>sepski: i don't get it, because i successfully identify to operserv but because am not channel operator, cannot kick, ban, give ops, or anything in channels. how can i do that`
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15:20<OdyX>in any case, no matter how good you are, I doubt you'll succeed ;-)
15:20<Plokko>debian 4.0r2 freeze after install
15:20<sepski>alaya, so if a user registers the channel on himself he can do something about that ?
15:20<Kebianizao>ah ok, OdyX but possible they'd call me names
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15:21<OdyX>Yes ;-)
15:21<alaya>sepski: if the server restarts its sort of random which client is the first to reconnect, and he will become the oper
15:21<alaya>sepski: is there a way to associate a channel with a particular user?
15:21<OdyX>Kebianizao: http://osdir.com/ml/debian.ports.amd64/2004-06/msg00146.html
15:22<sepski>alaya, but the users that registered the chanserv should be able to use it to become ops themselfs
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15:23<alaya>sepski: ah i think i was missing some commands. i didn't know about /msg chanserv identify ... stuff
15:23<OdyX>Kebianizao: :"
15:23<OdyX>If you want to do this
15:23<OdyX>better create a new partition, copy etc and the debconf db over and
15:23<OdyX>then run cdebootstrap and install all previously installed packages
15:23<OdyX>again.
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15:24<alaya>sepski: but still not working. i registered with chanserv to my nick, and after i identify with it, still cannot give ops to myself
15:24<OdyX>woops.
15:25<Plokko>no help?
15:25<Lynx>emergency reboot
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15:25<sepski>alaya, use whois on yourself to check if you are identified to services. and you usualy register with nickserv and identify to nickserv tho.
15:26<Kebianizao>OdyX: I see
15:26<alaya>sepski: all that is done. perhaps i need to change some default channel mode or behavior to allow myself to become oper? but how?
15:26<vsayikiran>please tell me the meaning of \fB and \fR used in man pages of aptitude
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15:27<Kebianizao>OdyX: maybe I could start with "top" apps, like konqueror, init and low-level stuff like init and libc could reamain 32 bits with 64 bit "top" apps, after that I may end the move to 64, what do you think?
15:28<sepski>alaya, use the chanserv access command to check
15:28<alaya>sepski: /msg chanserv status says i have a status of 50, whatever that means
15:28<OdyX>Kebianizao: you should first of all try with a non-critical app...
15:28<OdyX>I'd try with a game or something...
15:28<OdyX>Or the opposite way... Kernel, then init, ..
15:28<Kebianizao>OdyX: umm, yes, maybe that's the way
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15:28<amphi>Kebianizao: why do you fear 64bit? it's working fine here (I have no flash or java)
15:29<alaya>sepski: i am listed as founder with 50
15:29<Kebianizao>amphi: I bet you installed 64 bits directly, I'm talking about 32bits->64bits migration
15:29<amphi>Kebianizao: I did; why not just reinstall?
15:29<Kebianizao>amphi: moreover I'm running 64bits just fine on my laptop
15:29<amphi>uhuh
15:29<Kebianizao>amphi: lazyness? crazyness? :D
15:30<Kebianizao>amphi: I'm talking about work's desktop ;) that's more delicate
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15:30<amphi>Kebianizao: ah ;)
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15:31<Kebianizao>OdyX: I don't think bottom->top would work, Imagine 64b init trying to run 32bits libc
15:31<sepski>alaya, right you can try /msg chanserv info
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15:31<OdyX>Kebianizao: good point...
15:31<sepski>alaya, /msg chanserv help might be nice too
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15:32<Kebianizao>OdyX: correct me if I'm wrong, but /var should be arch agnostic, right?
15:32<OdyX>pffiuh... dunno...
15:32<amphi>Kebianizao: getting a list of installed packages, amd64 base-install, and feed dpkg the package list wouldn't work?
15:32<OdyX>Kebianizao: are you on LVM ?
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15:32<Kebianizao>amphi: not sure, but I think that would work
15:32<Kebianizao>OdyX: y
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15:33<OdyX>Kebianizao: you could add a partition, debootstrap and amd64 in it, prepare a mounting of your /var /etc and /home under this new amd64 partition...
15:33<alaya>sepski: ah i think i got it
15:33<amphi>Kebianizao: unless you need something like java or flash that is a known PITA
15:33<OdyX>and alter grub to boot on this LV...
15:33<alaya> /msg ChanServ LEVEL #chat set autoop 40
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15:34<Kebianizao>amphi: well, flash works on my 64bits laptop and well, java package is also available I suppose it should work as well
15:34<sepski>alaya, you should still be able to op youself with /msg chanserv op #channel tho even if you dont use autoop
15:35<alaya>sepski: i think autoop is working
15:36<alaya>sepski: but if i remove op from myself, i cannot give it back to myself. have to rejoin the channel to become autooped again
15:37<alaya>sepski: i see though that in here that is often what ops do. they remain as non-ops and then escalate themselves when necessary.
15:37<sepski>true
15:38<amphi>Kebianizao: I didn't bother with the wrapper thing or 32bit chroot for flash - I'll wait for gnash ;)
15:38<Kebianizao>amphi: wrapper for me just works, and well, gnash is not yet there as you know
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15:39<amphi>Kebianizao: aye, not quite - I don't care too much about flash
15:39<alaya>sepski: ah well. all good fun. up till yesterday i had no idea about any of this stuff whatsoever. now at least with "god" status i can handle stuff with channels when i open the server to public
15:39<Kebianizao>amphi: well, I like to avoid it such a battery killer it is, but something is unavoidable
15:39<Kebianizao>s/something/sometimes
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15:40<amphi>Kebianizao: iceweasel causes a lot of wakeups even without flash *sigh*
15:40<amphi>Kebianizao: midori will be nice when it's more complete
15:40<Kebianizao>amphi: well, I'm a konqueror lover :)
15:41<amphi>Kebianizao: I am far from being an iceweasel lover ;)
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15:42<Kebianizao>amphi: then I could encourage you to move to kde, wihout the will to start any flame ;P
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15:43<amphi>Kebianizao: thanks, but no thanks ;) I've never run a DE, and I doubt I will; I'm happy with a standalone WM
15:43<Kebianizao>amphi: maybe xfce?
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15:43<amphi>Kebianizao: midori is a thin gtk wrapper around webkit, which will be perfect for me when it's done
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15:44<K3B>hello
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15:44<amphi>Kebianizao: nope; I have used xfce4-panel before, it's a decent enough panel, but I find I have little use for such a thing
15:44<Kebianizao>hi K3B
15:44<guillaume>amphi: thank you for your hint about iwlwifi for my wifi card it work now perfectly
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15:45<amphi>guillaume: cool - was it 4965? I don't recall
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15:45<alaya>guillaume: what was the trick? i have one also that i cannot bring up
15:45<guillaume>amphi: 3945abg
15:46<Kebianizao>AFAIK using iwlwifi should be straight forward
15:46<alaya>guillaume: i have that card too.
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15:46<Kebianizao>alaya: modprobe iwl3945 after having removed all ipw3945 stuff?
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15:47<amphi>guillaume: ah
15:47<guillaume>alaya: I disable and remove old 3945 daemon and installed iwlwifi
15:47<alaya>guillaume, Kebianizao i thought i did all that. my issue was that when i ifconfig <iface> up it would give an error. had to switch back to .23 because could not even bring the iface up at all
15:48<guillaume>alaya: I don't get wmaster0 and wlan0 but a link called Wlan0_rename, I don't know why but this one work with wpassuplicant
15:48<Kebianizao>guillaume: yes, I know that udev thingy
15:48<alaya>guillaume: yeah i also get udev doing weird crap at boot with the iface naming
15:49<Kebianizao>guillaume: look for z25_persistent-net.rules file
15:49<guillaume>Ij ust get wext error output at boot
15:49<lontra>hi i am curious how i would set up pinning to prefer all openoffice.org packages from sid over those from testing? currently i only have apt.conf set up to select testing when appropriate. thanks
15:49<Kebianizao>alaya: what IF did you try to up?
15:49<lontra>btw ... i've looked at pinning i just can't figure out how to set it up for individiual packages
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15:49<Kebianizao>BTW, the persistent thing isn't fatal, should work even with that
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15:50<alaya>Kebianizao: i'd have to boot back into .24 to recall. but i'm sure it was the valid one, and it gave some kind of weird error, not that the iface was not found or anything
15:50<Kebianizao>I have pending to report a bug against that, but well, maybe one of you could do, since I've already solved that
15:50<Kebianizao>alaya: ahh, you also need the firmware, maybe that was the problem
15:50<alaya>Kebianizao: well i have the firmware cause i'm using the card right now with old driver under .23
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15:51<Kebianizao>alaya: no, it's not the same FW
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15:51<alaya>Kebianizao: oh
15:51<Kebianizao>:)
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15:51<Kebianizao>alaya: http://intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?n=Downloads
15:51<alaya>but "firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version."
15:51<Kebianizao>get the ucode
15:52<Kebianizao>alaya: ahh, it's already packaged, let me check
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15:52<alaya>/lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode
15:52<Kebianizao>alaya: yess, umm, that should do it, maybe I could help you a little more with the exact message
15:52<alaya>Kebianizao: i can reboot into .24 again and write everything down...
15:53<guillaume>alaya: I had to stop the hardware on my laptop and restart it when I install iwlwifi with FN+F2 have you done that too ?
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15:53<Kebianizao>guillaume: well, I simply rebooted after having removed the ipw3945 stuff on a iwl enabled kernel+FW
15:55<alaya>rather than removing stuff, i should just be able to turn off the ipw3945d
15:55<gabby>irc.recycled-irc.net/INFEXIOUS
15:55<Kebianizao>alaya: that wouldn't be enough, you would need to rmmod the module
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15:55<alaya>Kebianizao: that too
15:55<poppen>can someone help me find my iptables file? Some weeks ago i configured my iptables and i have forgot what the path is, anyone?
15:56<alaya>Kebianizao: obviously they both compete for the device
15:56<alaya>Kebianizao, guillaume well i will boot again into .24 and give it another try...
15:56<alaya>(in 10 min. after i have my morning tea... )
15:56<Kebianizao>if you want to do it on a running system, I'd do install the iwl FW, stop the IF, uninstall ipw3945 packages, and modprobe the iwl module
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15:56<Kebianizao>ok
15:57<alaya>Kebianizao: but i don't think it should require ipw3945 packages. there's not even a module for the .24 kernel, so...
15:57<alaya>s/require packages/require uninstall of packages/
15:57<Kebianizao>alaya: no? isn't there that module for debian kernel?
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15:57<alaya>Kebianizao: but not for .24
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15:58<alaya>Kebianizao: i already tried to build one for .24 with m-a and it fails to even build
15:58<Kebianizao>alaya: that's another story
15:58*Kebianizao build kernel himself
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15:58<alaya>Kebianizao: debian's .24 does not include ipw modules, and they will not build against it even with m-a
15:59<Kebianizao>alaya: if you don't remove ipw stuff, you may have trouble, the daemon would load and start the ipw kernel module
15:59<guillaume>Kebianizao: Do you get a wifi connection in network-manager for iwlwifi link ?
15:59<Kebianizao>alaya: oh, really? what the hell
15:59<Kebianizao>guillaume: I don't use NM, I set wifi using the interfaces file
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16:00<Kebianizao>guillaume: but I've used some other graphical tools, like wlassistant which work fine
16:00<guillaume>Kebianizao: mee too but just wanna know as I see that there's none
16:01<Kebianizao>guillaume: well, then I think I don't understand you
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16:02*alaya just has 2 shell scripts - one to scan, one to connect
16:04<poppen>Noone knows where to put my IPTABLE file for it to work?
16:04<Kebianizao>I also have on my TODO to set interfaces so that it connects to any of the defined nets and if not to any open one
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16:06<alaya>poppen: /etc/rc.local maybe?
16:06<alaya>poppen: or just make your own rc script and symlink it in to your desired runlevels
16:07<poppen>the thing is i want my old iptable to be removed and i dont know how, i want everything to be reseted, you know how?
16:07<poppen>going crazy :S
16:07<alaya>poppen: iptables -F ?
16:08<poppen>what does the -F do?
16:08<[[fw0rd]]>subtracts F
16:08<poppen>ah flush
16:08<poppen>thx
16:09<poppen>is it flushed this session only or is it gone forever?
16:09<alaya>poppen: session. find out where the other rules are being set
16:10<poppen>im trying, isnt there any "default" path?
16:10<poppen>except rc dir
16:10<alaya>poppen: but its a good idea to always start out your scripts with -F for safety, unless you know that you don't want to wipe existing rules out.
16:11<alaya>poppen: cf. http://cui.unige.ch/DI/cours/TechInternet/Fichiers/rc.firewall-2.4
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16:11<alaya>see all the flush lines in there
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16:19<guillaume>with .24 I get this outpuut too in dmesg : pnpacpi: exceeded the max number of mem resources: 12 is it just a warning or a bug ?
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16:39<mrpouet>hi
16:40<gidna>Hi
16:41<gidna>why can't I listen to two different sources?
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16:50<witte>gidna: what do you mean with listen to two different sources?
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16:55<Kebianizao>guillaume: if everything work I'd take it like a warning
16:56<gidna>If I cann listen the sound from a program I can't do the same from another
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16:59<guillaume>Kebianizao: ok :)
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17:00<grey_gandalf>hi all there
17:01<grey_gandalf>I have a quesiton on how to make my wifi card work. Is it appropriate here, or is there a special laptop channel? didn't find one
17:01<grey_gandalf>it is a zyxel G-162
17:01<grey_gandalf>under x86
17:01<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: so long as it's Debian, it's fine to ask here.
17:01<grey_gandalf>it is debian
17:01<grey_gandalf>;)
17:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 357] by debhelper
17:02<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: the main question is what chipset the wifi card actually has, lspci output should help figure that out.
17:02<grey_gandalf>ok. I googled for the card name and could only find desperate ubuntu users... which are kind of our cousings
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17:03<grey_gandalf>i fear ndiswrapper crap could be needed, but maybe...
17:03<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: if you can show the lspci output for the card, that would be a start. (If it's pcmcia or usb, lspcmcia or lsusb)
17:03<grey_gandalf>it is cardbus
17:04<grey_gandalf>I don't have lspcmcia, do you rememebr which package it is in?
17:04<dondelelcaro>pcmciautils, you can also pccardctl ls;
17:04<grey_gandalf>I have pcmciautils installed
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17:04<dondelelcaro>yeah, then use pccardctl
17:05<dondelelcaro>or /sbin/lspcmcia
17:05<grey_gandalf>oh, only root can execute it
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17:05<grey_gandalf>nothing shozs in the two sockets ?
17:05<mihau>hello
17:05<grey_gandalf>that is strange
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17:05<mihau>is there any graphical interface of fpc?
17:06<grey_gandalf>since at least the standard ethernet is inserted and working !
17:06<mihau>free pascal compiler*
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17:06<grey_gandalf>pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 1
17:06<grey_gandalf>tells me the kernel got the inesertion, but no more info on the dmesg
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17:07<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: it tells me
17:07<grey_gandalf>CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more information
17:07<grey_gandalf>in fact lspci shows one ethernet card, but not teh WiFi card
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17:11<sasha999>hi everybody , i just deleted my /bin/ rep , can i recover it or i am obliged to reinstall everything
17:11<azeem>!reinstall
17:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
17:11<grey_gandalf>hi azeem !
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17:12<grey_gandalf>azeem: as you see, sometimes I need to fight with standard problems, linux, intel, wifi :)
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17:12<sasha999>ok but my debian don t start cause i don have any /bin/ rep , so do you think chroot can work to issue a dpkg command ?
17:13<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: ideas ?
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17:13<grey_gandalf>if you zapped your /bin dir you have a probelm, maybe a livecd could help
17:13<sasha999>how ?
17:14<omar>hello all
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17:14<omar>Can anyone help me with a battery problem?
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17:15<Aleric>!ask
17:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:15<omar>It says the batter may be old or broken. maximum capacity 34%
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17:15<omar>or something to that effect
17:16<Aleric>What says that?
17:16<omar>a dialogue at the start up
17:16<omar>its a little bubble in the corner
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17:16<Aleric>A laptop?
17:16<omar>yes
17:17<omar>Dell E 1705
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17:17<Aleric>And does the battery indeed seem to be empty quickly, or not?
17:17<omar>I was told somewhere to ¨re format¨ the batter. But I didnt even know that was possible- much less how to
17:17<omar>yes
17:17<omar>Im not doing anything super intensive, just usual email etc..
17:18<Aleric>Replacing hardware is a bit off-topic for this channel - this channel deals with software (debian)
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17:19<omar>oh- sorry. can you direct me to an appropiate channel?
17:19<Aleric>You want to replace the battery?
17:19<omar>I though it would be software since I was supposed to ¨re-format¨ it. Is that even possible?
17:19<Aleric>Sound like you should call your vendor
17:19<grey_gandalf>omar: battery wear off... my dell is at 43%
17:19<omar>that makes sense.
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17:20<omar>i guess I just have to replace the battery. Thank you for your help.
17:21<grey_gandalf>omar: sometime letting your laptop run out until it dies and goes off, might reset the internal chip, you do then a full charge and you might recover some percent
17:21<omar>alright. thanx.
17:22<omar>Thanx again everyone. Im off..
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17:22<Aleric>I hate that
17:22<Aleric>I was still googling for him
17:23<Aleric>Why do I even help people?
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17:25<Kebianizao>bye
17:25<Kebianizao>and thanks
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17:26<grey_gandalf>Aleric: he had simple question, simple answer and was happy
17:26<grey_gandalf>I want to know what my wireless is though
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17:27*Aleric is back to coding... I need to know what directory block an inode belongs to that I found in the journal.
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17:29<Medalgod>hey all
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17:32<mzhang>mount -t iso9660 -o loop cd.iso /mnt/disc/ gives "mount: Could not find any loop device. Maybe this kernel does not know about the loop device? (If so, recompile or `modprobe loop'.)"
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17:37<Medalgod>guys, got a problem with etch on an amd64, the prob is this:
17:37<Medalgod>when I try to lock the screen, It locks, but when I log back in I see an error message & the network has disconnected
17:37<junky>hi
17:37<junky>tore are you here?
17:37<grey_gandalf>nobody with my wireless cardbus card?
17:40<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: can you give us the full lspci; output?
17:40<mzhang>!loop
17:40<dpkg>loops are BAD!
17:40<grey_gandalf>sure
17:40<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: run update-pciids before, too.
17:40<azeem>dondelelcaro: it's cardbus apparently
17:40<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: do you have a pasteboard service conventioned with this channel? it is more than 3 lines long
17:40<dondelelcaro>!paste
17:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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17:40<dondelelcaro>azeem: yeah, lspcmcia apparently didn't give much information
17:40<azeem>ah, k
17:41<grey_gandalf>ok, good ol rafb
17:41*dondelelcaro prepares to do unspeakably evil things to a tarball
17:42<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro:
17:42<grey_gandalf>http://paste.debian.net/50133
17:42<grey_gandalf>cat /dev/null > mytar.tar ?
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17:42<Mr_Giraffe>uh, i installed rhythmbox and want to uninstall it
17:42<Mr_Giraffe>but when i apt-get remove rhythmbox, it wants to remove gnome too.
17:42<Mr_Giraffe>anybody have any suggestions?
17:43<Medalgod>^^throw the comp out the window?^^
17:43<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: nah, I wasn't paying attention and concatenated two gzip tarballs, and I need the second, so I need to resplit them.
17:43<Mr_Giraffe>Medalgod, D:
17:43<Medalgod>:P just leave it thre?
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17:43<Mr_Giraffe>why would i leave software there that i don't want?
17:43<Mr_Giraffe>it's a fairly bulky program
17:44<dondelelcaro>Mr_Giraffe: you can just remove gnome; it's not a big deal
17:44<dondelelcaro>Mr_Giraffe: gnome is only a metapackage
17:44<Medalgod>cos it comes with gnome and apt isn't a fan of letting you remove things that come packaged with gnome
17:44<Mr_Giraffe>dondelelcaro, i know that
17:44<Mr_Giraffe>but then it wants to autoremove everything attached to gnome
17:44<dondelelcaro>Mr_Giraffe: so mark anything that you want to keep that gnome installs as manually installed.
17:44<oscar_>#debian-es
17:45<Mr_Giraffe>ugh, what a pain.
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17:45<Medalgod>as i say...leaving it is easier
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17:46<Medalgod>so... ne1 got any suggestions for my problem with lock screen in etch?
17:46<Mr_Giraffe>etch, just leave it as it is
17:46<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: got any smarter ?
17:46<grey_gandalf>if http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/cant-install-driver-for-zyxel-ti-acx-111-wireless-card-454133/
17:46<chealer>!tell Medalgod about ne1
17:46<grey_gandalf>is to be believed, it has an acx 111
17:48<Medalgod>well thankyou for that waste of my time chealer
17:48<Lynx>n8
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17:49<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: I don't see anything exciting there; it looks like ndiswrapper or finding a different card are your best bets
17:49<dondelelcaro>(you *can* get atheros cards which are supported by the madwifi driver for very cheap)
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17:51<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: this is a fine card :(
17:51<azeem>s/card/brick/
17:51<grey_gandalf>so there is no ACX support ?
17:51<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: I don't see any indication of it, no, and it's not a chipset that I recognize.
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17:52<grey_gandalf>grr, I don't know if I hate linux or zyxel more
17:52<grey_gandalf>or TI or whatever
17:52<dondelelcaro>well, odds are it's zyxel who hasn't bothered to give anyone information on the cards or the drivers, or they don't sell enough for anyone to bother.
17:53<grey_gandalf>azeem: well, mach/hurd wouldn't even recognize the whole cardbus controller :)
17:53<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: since that card doesn't work on the mac either...
17:53<azeem>it just gets brickier
17:53<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: well, there you go...
17:53<dondelelcaro>I mean, the cards I have work just fine in my powerpc running Debian as they do in the Thinkpad running Debian
17:54<dondelelcaro>(they don't work in the little fujitsu, but that's because it only has a CF slot)
17:54<junky>can someone help me with vi?
17:54<dondelelcaro>junky: best to just ask your question
17:54<junky>ok
17:54<junky>:)
17:54<junky>I have installed php5 mysql and lighttpd
17:55<grey_gandalf>vi rules.
17:55<junky>now the howto says vi php.ini and add cgi.fix_pathinfo = 1 right at the end of the file:
17:55<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: yes, my old mac has PCMCIA only too and the cards don't even fit :)
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17:56<junky>I opened with vi php.ini now I'm in the end of the php.ini file how can I add that line
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17:56<junky>I type on return but nothing happens
17:56<grey_gandalf>type A
17:56<junky>ok
17:56<grey_gandalf>"esc" exits the edit mode
17:57<grey_gandalf>:w writes out
17:57<grey_gandalf>:q exists
17:57<dondelelcaro>!vi tutorial
17:57<dpkg>rumour has it, vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html
17:57<dondelelcaro>junky: see above
17:57<Medalgod>if you've never used vi before and don;t planb on using regularly use gedit
17:57<grey_gandalf>but hey, debian always has nano, pico, whatever
17:57<Medalgod>or kate if ur using kde
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17:57<grey_gandalf>jed
17:57<grey_gandalf>emacs
17:57<grey_gandalf>there are tons of editors without gui
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17:58<panagos>is there a tool that takes periodical snapshots of an lvm volume? e.g. a cron job
17:58<grey_gandalf>with X11 use nedit, you won't ever look back
17:58<Ankho>hi all
17:58<dondelelcaro>panagos: if you can take snapshots, you can write the cronjob to do it
17:58*Medalgod goes to try nedit
17:59<Medalgod>in wt way is nedit better than gedit? :P
18:00<grey_gandalf>first, it doesn't use GTK2
18:00<grey_gandalf>secondly, it is fast
18:00<grey_gandalf>third I use it since a long time :)
18:00<Medalgod>but do i give a crap about gtk2, if i want a stipped down ver or a vast text editor ill use vi
18:00<grey_gandalf>and "nirvana" editor is a cool name
18:00<panagos>basically i want to have it as a lightweight backup mechanism, in case e.g. i accidentally delete something
18:00<grey_gandalf>and xedit sucks
18:00<Medalgod>lol
18:00<Medalgod>ok
18:00<grey_gandalf>the real thing is of coure gvim-lesstif
18:01<grey_gandalf>but I bet enough other peple woudl swear on emacs, xemacs, whatever :)
18:01<grey_gandalf>there is even another emacs I have seen which can act as login shell, windowmanager...
18:01<grey_gandalf>irc lciet
18:01<grey_gandalf>icq
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18:01<grey_gandalf>you can use sxemacs?
18:02<Medalgod>sxemacs?
18:02<Medalgod>nva herd of it
18:02<grey_gandalf>I don't remember the exact name
18:02<grey_gandalf>dondelelcaro: acx100-source - ACX100/ACX111 wireless network drivers source
18:02<grey_gandalf>?
18:03<junky>dondelcaro
18:04<junky>I end the vi editor with :wq ?
18:04<grey_gandalf>yes
18:04<grey_gandalf>:w
18:04<grey_gandalf>:q
18:04<junky>I have added that line in the end of the php.ini now I want to save and close the vi editor I type :wq ?
18:04<junky>thanks
18:05<grey_gandalf>one saves, the other quits
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18:05<grey_gandalf>"w"rite
18:05<grey_gandalf>"q"uit
18:05<grey_gandalf>it is not *that* cryptic :)
18:06<junky>cool I have saved it :) thanks
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18:08<grey_gandalf>I have a problem: several applications come up with crappy 1-bit icons after I upgraded
18:08<grey_gandalf>skype does...
18:08<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: ah, if that's it, then m-a a-i acx100; may do the right thing.
18:08<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: worth a shot
18:08<grey_gandalf>all gnustep applications... since those gnustep applications alo make big wite unusable windows...
18:09<grey_gandalf>m-a a-i ?
18:09<dondelelcaro>grey_gandalf: m-a is module-assistant.
18:09<gsimmons>!tell grey_gandalf -about acx100
18:09<grey_gandalf>thanks
18:09<grey_gandalf>I'll read the wiki
18:10<grey_gandalf>I'll check if my precise card is supported before doing the effort
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18:11<gsimmons>grey_gandalf: According to the wiki, only the G-160 and G-360 EE are known to operate. You can always "try it and see" with the G-162.
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18:12<grey_gandalf>afaik they are pretty similar
18:12<grey_gandalf>but the driver must recognize it
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18:25<junky>it works :)
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18:27<junky>my vps with lighttpd php5 and mysql is working can anyone tell me how I connet my domain with this vps and my domain should have 1 gb traffic limit and 50mb webspace
18:27<junky>connet=connect
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18:28<riganta>hi guys, is it possible to uncompress a rar file under linux??
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18:32<hathe>riganta: it is
18:33<riganta>can you please enlighten me? I am a complete noob in this !!!
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18:34<junky>hello I want to connect my 2 domains with my vps each domain should have its own webspace how can I do that?
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18:35<hathe>riganta: install unrar or unrar-free
18:36<riganta>can i get it via synaptic in testing ?
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18:37<hathe>riganta: yes
18:37<riganta>yes got it. Sorry for being such a pain. Cheers hathe
18:37<hathe>bbl
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18:38<junky>hathe can you solve my problem too
18:38<junky>?
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18:39<junky>hathe doesn't know it
18:40<junky>does anybody know it? I want to connect 2 domains with own webspace to my vps what do I need for it?
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18:42<junky>x
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18:44<loranx>bonsoir / hello
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18:46<stecontin>hi
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18:46<loranx>hi
18:47<stecontin>Excuse me, it's the first time i use irc...
18:47<stecontin>I need a bit help..
18:47<azeem>!grounding
18:47<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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18:47<azeem>stecontin: just ask your question
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18:47<stecontin>Simply: IP of Linode'VPS change or not in the long time?
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18:48<azeem>stecontin: you should ask that to Linode
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18:48<stecontin>OK. through IRC or mail? :-)
18:49<azeem>not sure they do IRC
18:49<azeem>well, maybe somebody in here knows, you could just stick around a bit
18:49<stecontin>OK, thanks a lot.... and bye from Italy :-)
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18:57<riganta>hathe: what kind of plugins (or else) could I load to play wma files
18:57<azeem>!dmm
18:57<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
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18:58<chealer>!tell riganta about wma
18:59<riganta>yes please
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18:59<chealer>riganta: did you see the package sent to you by dpkg?
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18:59<chealer>uh
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18:59<chealer>riganta: did you see the private message sent to you by dpkg?
18:59<riganta>sorry chealer i just saw it now
19:00<riganta>and if I am using Rythmbox (gnome)
19:00<chealer>riganta: if you meant that you weren't able to play it, tell us what you tried to play with
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19:02<chealer>riganta: ah, I don't know gstreamer. if it doesn't work consider looking at the gstreamer packages which aren't installed yet
19:03<chealer>riganta: and if you find what contains it, feel free to tell us so we can improve dpkg's wma factoid.
19:04<riganta>+ it looks like to me that I am using an old version as well. the 0.10.1.
19:05<guillaume>is it possible to fix the delay before the screen become darker under sid ?
19:06<chealer>guillaume: the english verb is "to set"
19:06<guillaume>chealer: sorry :)
19:06<amphi>guillaume: xset dpms blah perhaps
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19:07<chealer>guillaume: ...and the english noun is something like "the time" :)
19:08<chealer>bbl
19:08<riganta>may be I should start using vlc for my music. Any pros and cons ?
19:08<riganta>I kind of like rythmbox though
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19:11<amphi>'delay' is a reasonable synonym for 'timeout' IMHO
19:15<riganta>I think I have got a problem doing an extraction of my rar file
19:15<riganta>because vlc is not playing it as well
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19:20<riganta>got it. I am playing it rythmbox and not vlc
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19:21<guillaume>amphi: if you're interested by correcting udev bug for naming interface with iwlwifi, I found that adding 'ATTR{type}=="1"' to /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules solve the problem
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19:22<amphi>guillaume: I didn't mess with it, wlan0 is ok for me
19:22<amphi>guillaume: what does that mean? ;)
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19:24<guillaume>amphi: do you use 2.6.24-1-amd64 ?
19:24<ApOgEE->hi all
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19:25<amphi>guillaume: vanilla 2.6.24-2
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19:36<avtobiff>has anyone actually got apt-pinning working? it have never worked for me and i would really like it to work.
19:37<avtobiff>if i have both testing and unstable in sources.list and a preference in /etc/apt/preferences it still ignores it and installs everything from unstable
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19:38<priscaramos>alguém em português???
19:38<mechstomp>which install are you starting from?
19:38<avtobiff>!br
19:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:38<avtobiff>mechstomp, testing
19:39<panagos>does anyone know why the latest version of qt-x11-free-dbg in lenny is 113MB (!) smaller than the previous one? (i mean installed size)
19:39<panagos>3:3.3.7-9 -> 3:3.3.8b-4
19:39<avtobiff>woooow. i got a score of -9920 when trying to install one program from sid on my testing box. no dependencies installing :D
19:39<chealer>amphi: oh. thank you
19:39<chealer>sorry guillaume
19:40<chealer>riganta: con: it uses wxwidgets as toolkit, which means it won't look great. and it's not specifically made to be an audio player.
19:40<mechstomp>avtobiff, i too couldnt get apt-pinning working, last i tried i was using stable trying to get packages from lenny, didnt work and i had to install manually
19:41<mechstomp>sucks really
19:41<avtobiff>:(
19:41<avtobiff>why doesn't it work.
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19:41<chealer>avtobiff: not apt-pinning per se, but a quick testing/unstable mix, yeah
19:41<avtobiff>have i missed something?
19:41<chealer>!tell avtobiff about tsm
19:41<grey_gandalf>after I did m-a, m-i, etc
19:41<grey_gandalf>how can I "clean up"?
19:41<mechstomp>i just installed lenny :D
19:41<grey_gandalf>it downloaded and unpacked hundreds of megabytes of stuff, my laptop has a small disk...
19:41<chealer>riganta: what did you do to be able to play it with rhythmbox?
19:42<avtobiff>chealer, thanks
19:43<guillaume>riganta: still looking for wma player ?
19:43<riganta>first, i got the rar extraction wrong. I needed the unrar soft and I believe not the unrar-free
19:44<chealer>guillaume: he wrote he succeeded
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19:44<riganta>when I tried to extract my rar file with unrar-free it didnt work. Then I used the unrar
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19:44<riganta>and then I got something I could use with rythmbox
19:45<riganta>with the right plugins in ryhtmbox
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19:45<riganta>guillaume: thank you, but got it working now. Cheers
19:46<riganta>I got the unrar and the unrar-free in synaptic; using testing
19:46<avtobiff>chealer, it still does not obey my APT::Default-Release "testing"
19:46<guillaume>grey_gandalf: m-a clean
19:46<avtobiff>chealer, :(
19:46<chealer>panagos: seems to have something to do with the 3:3.3.8b-3 changes
19:47<grey_gandalf>guillaume: thanks
19:47<grey_gandalf>but my new module doesn't appear to load
19:47<chealer>avtobiff: do you have a semi-column at the end of that line?
19:47*panagos scratches his head in baffledness
19:47<guillaume>grey_gandalf: what does insmod return ?
19:47<chealer>riganta: but what was the right plugin?
19:47<avtobiff>chealer, yes. should it say "lenny" instead of testing? does it not infer the correct distro from either "testing" or "lenny"?
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19:48<avtobiff>chealer, is "testing" != "lenny" distrowise for apt?
19:48<chealer>avtobiff: no. it's OK as testing but only as that.
19:48<avtobiff>chealer, ok... :(
19:48<avtobiff>pippin:/usr/lib/cgi-bin# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
19:48<avtobiff>APT::Default-Release "testing";
19:49<avtobiff>that is ok right?
19:49<chealer>avtobiff: well, what does apt-cache policy give you?
19:49<chealer>avtobiff: the line is OK, yes
19:50<avtobiff>http://pastebin.ca/922783
19:50<chealer>panagos: #debian-qt-kde would know better
19:50<avtobiff>chealer, ^^
19:50<avtobiff>sid is at 500 lenny is at 990 :/
19:50<avtobiff>seems correct
19:50<grey_gandalf>guillaume: "nothing"
19:51<grey_gandalf>guillaume: what wonders is that I install acx and read about acx_usb
19:51<grey_gandalf>dmesg says nothing
19:51<guillaume>grey_gandalf: even in dmesg ?
19:51<grey_gandalf>http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian
19:51<chealer>avtobiff: indeed. how do you diagnose that it doesn't obey?
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19:51<avtobiff>chealer, install a package. (vrms)
19:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 342] by debhelper
19:51<avtobiff>chealer, emptied the cache for debs and installing
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19:52<riganta>sorry chealer, but being a complete noob at this I couldn't tell you. I can only tell you that now I am playing wma files with rythmbox. I actually installed all the plugins available. There were so many of them tha I couldn't tell which one was which :)
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19:54<riganta>I have to say that the wma files sound a lot better than mp3 files that I have playing with rythmbox
19:55<guillaume>grey_gandalf: if you're under etch you can have a look to http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian maybe
19:56<chealer>avtobiff: isn't vrms at the same version?
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19:56<avtobiff>chealer, so if the software is at the same version it installs from sid?
19:56<chealer>riganta: OK, no problem
19:57<avtobiff>chealer, seems like a quite strange behaviour if my preferred release is testing
19:57<chealer>avtobiff: probably whatever you have first in your sources.list
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19:58<avtobiff>chealer, ooh. why does that matter?!
19:58<avtobiff>:)
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19:58<chealer>avtobiff: the order of your sources.list is used to determine where a package available from multiple sources will be downloaded from.
19:58<avtobiff>chealer, now i have sid last in my sources.list but it still installs vrms from sid
19:58<avtobiff>chealer, k
19:59<avtobiff>noo...o sry
19:59<avtobiff>wtf
19:59<chealer>avtobiff: yeah. now I remember someone eventually came to that question not long ago. I'd have to check the logs to remember the conclusion, if there was any.
19:59<avtobiff>i had two sid entries for some reason...
19:59<avtobiff>ok
20:00<avtobiff>chealer, thanks a fucking bunch!!! ^_^
20:00<avtobiff>chealer, you have really helped me with some basic understanding of apt and stuff!
20:01<avtobiff>:D
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20:02<grey_gandalf>guillaume: lenny/sid here
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20:04<grey_gandalf>I'll check further tomorrow, I need a clean reboot too I guess
20:04<grey_gandalf>2 am in the morning
20:04<grey_gandalf>:ye :)
20:07<guillaume>grey_gandalf: I have an intel 3945abg wifi card on my sid laptop so I can't help you if you got no output error from kernel when you load the compiled module (if m-a return no error)
20:07<ApOgEE->wah.. 2am?
20:08<ApOgEE->9 am here... :p
20:09<qq>2am in central europe :)
20:10<ApOgEE->9am in malaysia
20:10<ApOgEE->:)
20:10<mechstomp>1am in uk
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20:11<qq>29 fev ?
20:11<grey_gandalf>guillaume: I try to boot and the kernel goes ina strange fdck loop
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20:11<grey_gandalf>it seems as the module interferes with my IDE ?
20:12<grey_gandalf>guillaume: I guss I need to reboot without card, insert the module, insert the card and check for output
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20:13<guillaume>grey_gandalf: yes, and if it doesn't solve the problem open a bug report
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20:18<grey_gandalf>I need to tye ifup eth0 at each reboot
20:18<grey_gandalf>how can I avoid it ?
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20:18<lupine>add auto eth0 to /etc/network/interfaces
20:19<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, tye?
20:19<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, edit your /etc/network/interfaces
20:19<grey_gandalf>ok
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20:20<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, add a line iface eth0 inet dhcp
20:20<gsimmons>grey_gandalf: See also "Interface Configuration" (Distribution List/Debian) on the acx100 wiki.
20:20<grey_gandalf>no dhcp
20:20<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, and also auto eth0
20:20<grey_gandalf>and this is not acx, it is for my standard copper
20:20<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, than make it iface eth0 static
20:20<grey_gandalf>it use to work, it broke with some with some upgrare YEARS ago
20:20<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, check the man page. there are examples there
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20:24<guillaume>is it possible to log the shutdown output ?
20:25<guillaume>I have a gdm segfault
20:25<dondelelcaro>guillaume: if gdm is segfaulting, then you'd want to see it's corefile. The log output won't do you much good
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20:26<guillaume>dondelelcaro: gdm work perfectly well, the problem occur when the system is shutting down
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20:28<dondelelcaro>guillaume: right, if gdm is what is segfaulting, only its coredump will help figure out why it's segfaulting when it shuts down.
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20:35<grey_gandalf>guillaume: no meaningful dmesg
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20:36<guillaume>dondelelcaro: it's an open bug : #458802: gdm: segfault at shutdown / restart
20:37<grey_gandalf>avtobiff: I have iface eth0 inet static
20:38<grey_gandalf>avtobiff: iit is configured correctly, bvut I need to "pull it up" manually
20:39<avtobiff>damn it is nice with syntax hilighting.
20:39<avtobiff>a simple " would have taken almost forever to find otherwise :D
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20:39<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, do you have auto eth0 in you interfaces file?
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20:40<guillaume>grey_gandalf: you have to add auto + name of the interface to /etc/network/interface in order to load it
20:40<grey_gandalf>avtobiff: no
20:40<grey_gandalf>ok
20:40<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, then do it as guillaume and i said :)
20:40<grey_gandalf>I have auto only for lo
20:40<avtobiff>grey_gandalf, then do it.
20:40<guillaume>grey_gandalf: you don't use dhcp on your network ?
20:40<grey_gandalf>ok, I got it
20:40<avtobiff>:)
20:41<grey_gandalf>auto lo eth0
20:41<grey_gandalf>:)
20:41<avtobiff>success
20:41<guillaume>grey_gandalf: remove lo
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20:41<grey_gandalf>I shouldn't have loopback ??
20:42<grey_gandalf>guillaume: no, everything is static :) Here at least at home
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20:42<guillaume>grey_gandalf: sorry i was thinking that you 've auto lo in another part of the interface file
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20:43<grey_gandalf>ok, this is my dmesg
20:43<grey_gandalf>http://paste.debian.net/50142
20:43<guillaume>mien has two lines one for each iface
20:44<twb>What's the most elegant way to, each day, send an email to a user with the file foo-%Y-%m-%d.log (created by a daemon) attached?
20:44<twb>I'm currently thinking cron.daily and mailx.
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20:47<guillaume>grey_gandalf: what's the output of iwconfig now ?
20:49<grey_gandalf>no no additional interfaces shown
20:51<guillaume>grey_gandalf: if the module is loaded correctly the kernel should have create one for the device
20:51<grey_gandalf>yes
20:51<grey_gandalf>lspci should show the card
20:51<guillaume>grey_gandalf: does syslog return something when you plug the card ?
20:52<grey_gandalf>guillaume: where could I check in /var/log?
20:53<guillaume>grey_gandalf: it's a pci or pcmcia card ?
20:53<grey_gandalf>on the console I get the same it gets on dmesg
20:53<grey_gandalf>pcmcia
20:53<guillaume>grey_gandalf: you can check by using another tty with tail -f /var/log/syslog
20:54<grey_gandalf>Feb 29 03:43:41 rhun kernel: pccard: card ejected from slot 1
20:54<grey_gandalf>Feb 29 03:43:43 rhun kernel: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 1
20:54<grey_gandalf>Feb 29 03:44:47 rhun kernel: pccard: card ejected from slot 1
20:54<grey_gandalf>Feb 29 03:44:49 rhun kernel: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 1
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20:54<grey_gandalf>woah, picky only 4 lines
20:54<grey_gandalf>the limit should be 5 according to IRC spec
20:55<amphi>should be 1
20:55<amphi>;)
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20:57<guillaume>grey_gandalf: ok so the card seem to be ok put the output of tail -f /var/log/messages on pastebin
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20:59<guillaume>when plugin the card
21:00<grey_gandalf>guillaume: same message "card inserted into slot 1"
21:01<grey_gandalf>3am zzz
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21:01<rotten>hello
21:02<guillaume>grey_gandalf: ?? no more info ? you should have that : pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0 / and then line begining by 'acx:'
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21:02<grey_gandalf>guillaume: exactly, but it doesn't
21:02<guillaume>seem that the module still not load into the kernel
21:02<rotten>anyone know a way to get grub to load a raid1 using lvms?
21:02<grey_gandalf>I can compare to what happens to the standard ethernet card
21:03<grey_gandalf>no, I guess not
21:03<grey_gandalf>maybe firmware proble
21:03<grey_gandalf>maybe my variant is not supported
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21:03<grey_gandalf>I'll google
21:03<grey_gandalf>but at 3am...
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21:03<guillaume>grey_gandalf: insmod acx return no output ? and lsmod acx return no output too ?
21:03<guillaume>lsmod | grep acx
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21:05<guillaume>grey_gandalf: it's not a firmware problem because it seem that with acx the firmware is loaded by the module, and her you 've no module output
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21:06<rotten>anyone know grub really well?
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21:07<grey_gandalf>guillaume: yes, i'd expect "firmware not found" or such
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21:09<guillaume>grey_gandalf: you should have something like that in /var/log/messages : acx: firmware image 'acx/1.2.1.34/tiacx111c16' was not provided. Check your hotplug scripts
21:09<grey_gandalf>yes, I agree
21:09<grey_gandalf>I'mm loo into that tomorrow
21:09<grey_gandalf>3.10 am :)
21:10<grey_gandalf>thanks for now !
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21:57<alaya>hi, what is the way to filter incoming http on a machine with multiple domains, to pass all traffic to a specific domain to a specific IP address? sort of like snat
21:58<alaya>would iptables be the best tool, or is there some better web proxy type of thing?
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21:59<alaya>i was thinking iptables would not be the best because the request is http for a domain, and multiple domains can be on one ip
21:59<dondelelcaro>alaya: you'd normally do that by having the machine up on multiple ips
21:59<dondelelcaro>alaya: and then let apache deal with it
21:59<gef>apache's reverse proxy should do something like that
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21:59<alaya>dondelelcaro: i want to have seperate apaches (on separate VMs) but the domains sharing the same IP
21:59<dondelelcaro>(or reverse proxy, if we're talking about multiple machines, yes)
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22:00<alaya>the proxy thing should nat it to an internal ip address that the VM is listening on
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22:00<dondelelcaro>why would it need to nat it? it should be able to directly address the internal address
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22:01<alaya>ok apache's reverse proxy. thanks. so that means there is a master apache running that forwards to the internal IPs that the apache's on the VMs are listening on?
22:01<dondelelcaro>alaya: generally, yes.
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22:02<alaya>ty dondelelcaro & gef
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22:03<qq>may use aufs http://aufs.sourceforge.net/linux-vserver.txt
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22:06<alaya>oh i wonder if LVS will do that
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22:10<alaya>when they say layer 2, 3, etc. is the higher number more complex or the lower? i always forget
22:13<alaya>ah nm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAN_switching
22:14<alaya>so i guess higher means more complex
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22:16<alaya>even though that page sounds more like a product brochure from cisco ;-)
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22:34<RIVE>Hi, good night.
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22:35<lex>good night
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22:58<alaya>http://www.austintek.com/LVS/LVS-HOWTO/HOWTO/LVS-HOWTO.services.general.html#cookies_and_url_rewriting
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22:58<alaya>dondelelcaro: you are right, an IP-based solution is best
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23:02<alaya>ok i guess layer 4 corresponds to Transport on layers model APSTNDP
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23:02<mpoer>Okay, so I have a few fonts on my system (Times, specifically) that aren't showing up in OOo and I want to use them. Ideas?
23:03<alaya>i guess the http address (domain) would be layer P protocol or something
23:03<onewithna><----linux newbie..... Why do i get "permission denied" when trying to run a script?
23:03<lex>onewithna, what kind of script ?
23:04<onewithna>well. i have used this script before to get my wireless drivers working... just did clean install
23:04<onewithna>now cannot load drivers
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23:04<alaya>mpoer: something with fontconfig or defoma? maybe dpkg-reconfigure -plow them
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23:05<onewithna>what you think lex
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23:06<lex>hm ... as i know you should run it under root
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23:06<mpoer>hmm. trying that defoma-reconfigure
23:06<onewithna>i am loggin in as root, same with my normal user
23:06<mpoer>and it's doing something. not sure what, though.
23:07<onewithna>the script name is makedrv.sh so my command would be ./makedrv correct? i am new to linux
23:08<lex>it depends on where you saved your script
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23:09<mpoer>onewithna, did you chmod +x file
23:09<lex>i guess he didn't
23:09<mpoer>either that, or the file itself is on a drive mounted with noexec option
23:09<onewithna>mpoer... i just extracted it with whatever is default in gnome
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23:10<onewithna>to a folder i created in the main directory /
23:10<mpoer>running as root, "chmod +x filename" should make it something that will execute properly
23:10<onewithna>do i need to apply that to all files that were in the package?
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23:12<mpoer>probably not? i guess it depends on wheather they should execute or not. If they're binary/shell script executables, then yes
23:12<mpoer>I guess you could be safe and "chmod +x *"
23:12<onewithna>yes they are.... how to do this to a whole folder?
23:12<mpoer>if there are no subdirs, the above will do it
23:12<onewithna>including sub folders?
23:13<onewithna>i can just unpack the whole thing correctly if i knew how to
23:13<mpoer>with subdirs: "chmod -R +x *"
23:13<mpoer>make sure that "R" is capitalized
23:13<mpoer>I think archieved files lose their chmod-settings. not sure, though. maybe the person who packed it did that on purpose?
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23:17<lex>look at "readme" file
23:17<onewithna>i am now installing more dependant packages...
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23:19<onewithna>i think i messed it all up!.... how to extract a .tar.gx file intact as should be?
23:19<mpoer>tar.gx? you mean tar.gz?
23:19<onewithna>yes sorry
23:20<mpoer>tar xjvf FILE.tar.gz
23:20<onewithna>and where would you recommend placing a set of drivers?
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23:21<mpoer>in the kernel? I don't handle drivers manually...
23:21-!-zero_ [~zero@c-71-193-233-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #debian
23:21<mpoer>I know how to get a kernel module running if it's been installed correctly...
23:21<zero_>hey, how do i set Thunderbird as my default mail client?
23:22<zero_>in Ubuntu
23:22<mpoer>zero, default for GNOME, KDE, iceweasel?
23:22<onewithna>no it will self install... i assume the system will handel all file seperate from the orginals?
23:22<zero_>mpeterson, gnome
23:22<zero_>mpoer, GNOME
23:23<chealer>!topicsmite zero_
23:23<dpkg>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon zero_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
23:23<zero_>i want thunderbird to be it
23:23<mpoer>(not having access to gnome interface right now...) in the menu bar, settings/admin area.. there's a dialog box that controls that sort of thing. you may need to logout/login to make it take affect
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23:24<mpoer>zero, some deb-heads don't like all your ubuntu talk...
23:24<mpoer>anyway, so I still have these fonts available to KControl but OOo can't find them - nor can I manually. Ideas?
23:25<mpoer>I just want "Times" and "Courier"
23:25<mpoer>and they're in here, somewhere
23:25<onewithna>mpoer that tar xjvf didnt work
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23:26<onewithna>is it -xjvf +xjvf?
23:26<mpoer>tar xvfj file.tar.gz should extract a good .tar.gz file
23:27<mpoer>x - extract, v - verbose, f - file, j - for bzip
23:27<mpoer>oops - wait tar zvfj file.tar.bz
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23:27<mpoer>no, thats not it
23:27<mpoer>tar xvfz file.tar.gz
23:27<onewithna>good info... thanks... but returns "tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now"
23:28<mpoer>tar zvfj file.tar.bz
23:28<onewithna>Chile returned status 2
23:28<mpoer>oh, neat
23:28<onewithna>i will try that
23:28<mpoer>never heard that one from tar...
23:29<onewithna>gives "conflicting compression options"
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23:29<mpoer>onewithna, what exactly are you trying to do? can you point me to the file you are trying to open?
23:29<onewithna>sure google rtl8187b-modified-dist.tar.gz
23:30<onewithna>it worked for me before
23:30<onewithna>i am sure i am doing something different
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23:32<mpoer>I'll have a look-see
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23:32<onewithna>thank you
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23:33<mpoer>tar xvfz rtl8187b-modified-dist.tar.gz
23:33<mpoer>will unpack it
23:33<mpoer>oh, it's a wireless driver. fun...
23:34<onewithna>its easy if i can get the scrip to run... i know like 0% linux and it worked before
23:34<mpoer>okay, if I were you, I would do this
23:34<onewithna>i was tring to get flash to run on amd64 and messed it all up.. clean install and now back to square one
23:35<onewithna>shoot away
23:35<mpoer>../ up to the main dir and remove it all. extract a fresh copy of the package
23:35<mpoer>follow the instructions in readme.txt exactly
23:35<mpoer>starting with ./makedrv
23:35<onewithna>thats when the problem happens
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23:36<mpoer>okay, do you have build-depends?
23:36<mpoer>aptitiude install build-depends
23:36<mpoer>also linux-kernel-headers - or something to that effect
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23:36<mpoer>(i won't be building this one tonight...)
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23:36<onewithna>i just did the headers before start
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23:37<onewithna>wikipedia says "tar -xzf"
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23:37<mpoer>and build-depends?
23:37<mpoer>the 'v' is optional - it means 'verbose' which gives more output
23:37<mpoer>most people use it out of habit, I think
23:38<onewithna>i think i have a bad download.
23:38<onewithna>sorry
23:38<mpoer>wget http://datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/rtl8187b-modified-dist.tar.gz
23:39<mpoer>hey, that's an easy fix. I don't know what to tell you about a driver not compiling, though.
23:40<onewithna>that download came through
23:40<onewithna>now gimme your extract command again plz
23:40<mpoer>tar xvfz rtl8187b-modified-dist.tar.gz
23:40<mpoer>then cd into that directory and ./mkdrv
23:41<mpoer>or whatever the file was
23:41<mpoer>good luck, friend. I'm off to bed. Class at 8 AM..
23:41<onewithna>same errors.... wont extract
23:41<mpoer>sorry, friend
23:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 335] by debhelper
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23:42<onewithna>thanks anyways
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23:47<onewithna>and just as he leaves... reboot and works!
23:53<piju>hello
23:53<piju>i got problem with gnome-osd
23:54<piju>when i start it,
23:54<piju>i got this bugs
23:54<piju>http://pastebin.org/21792
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