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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-03-02

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00:00<PowerBook_G3>i'm not connect to a network with that machine, hence downloading and burning the full CD-ROm
00:00<PowerBook_G3>should i hit cancel or just wait it out?
00:01<qq>connect to your net /router
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00:02<qq>or make a manual network config , no worry
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00:05<qq> connect to your net /router/swich
00:06<qq>in any case go on
00:06<PowerBook_G3>ok i'll work on that
00:06<PowerBook_G3>that means physically moving the system and the display but thats no prob
00:07<qq>ok
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00:22<PowerBook_G3>alright here's my situation now
00:22<PowerBook_G3>i moved everything and connected it to my wired home network
00:22<qq>yes
00:22<PowerBook_G3>restarted did all the same stuff and got to the same point
00:22<PowerBook_G3>and it was still taking forever so i left it for awhile, but when i came back like 10 minutes later, the computer was restarted into the Mac OS
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00:24<qq>can you have two computer connected to the net -in same time ?
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00:48<qq>bye
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01:19<khorne>Hey
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01:23<mateusz>Hi
01:24<mateusz>after installing acpi-support on my laptop
01:24<mateusz>I get ide: failed opcode was: 0xef
01:24<mateusz>what does it mean?
01:24<mateusz>I think it produced with hdparm but thats just a quess
01:24<khorne>I'm trying to get a wireless linksys PCMCIA card to work on my laptop.
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01:25<gsimmons>khorne: Which specific model/revision do you have?
01:25<mateusz>khorne, do You have windows drovers?
01:25<mateusz>khorne, maybe use ndiswrapper ?
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01:26<mateusz>khorne, modprove ndiswrapper ; ndiswrapper -i /cdrom/WinXP/driver.inf :P
01:26<khorne>My model/version is WPC54G / ver 3.1
01:26<khorne>I've been having a hard time getting ndiswrapper to install.
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01:26<mateusz>khorne, ?
01:26<mateusz>khorne, its in debian
01:27<khorne>I can'tseem to apt-get it
01:27<mateusz>khorne, apt-cache search ndiswrapper
01:27<mateusz>khorne, there is even gui for it..:|
01:28<mateusz>khorne, I am sure it's in testing
01:28<khorne>Well, god damn.
01:28<gsimmons>khorne: Your model should also be supported by the bcm43xx driver.
01:28<mateusz>khorne, also in stable
01:29<mateusz>gsimmons, he should try to load it manualy
01:29<mateusz>gsimmons, and then check dmesg
01:29<mateusz>khorne, if that fails use ndiswrapper
01:30<khorne>Where do I find the GUI for ndiswrapper?
01:30<mateusz>khorne, btw I think ndiswrapper works for most of cases and installation is faster but you dont have monitor mode, which most people dont use
01:30<mateusz>khorne, you dont need gui
01:30<mateusz>khorne, its simple command ndiswrapper -i
01:31<mateusz>khorne, it called ndisgtk in testing and sid
01:31<khorne>ndiswrapper -i returns command not found.
01:31<gsimmons>!installit
01:31<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
01:31<gsimmons>!tell khorne -about bcm43xx
01:31<gsimmons>!tell khorne -about ndiswrapper
01:31<mateusz>:|
01:31<mateusz>khorne, are you sure Debian is for You ?
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01:32<khorne>I am new to linux, but I like Debian.
01:32<khorne>Still very much a beginner.
01:33<mateusz>khorne, I think that there is manula somewhere, let me find it for You
01:33<Supaplex>and that's okay. don't let the clutches of a GUI driven OS hold you back.
01:33<khorne>Thank you mateusz.
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01:35<khorne>When I can find one and have the money, I plan on taking linux course.
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01:37<mateusz>khorne, this one is quite interesting http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Docs
01:38<khorne>Reading it now
01:38<mateusz>khorne, it explains many essential things like what is the difference betwean gnu/linux and linux
01:39<mateusz>khorne, you cant work on linux it's just a kernel, like hurd
01:40<mateusz>khorne, tutorial also explains how to install things etc...
01:41<mateusz>After installing acpi-support on my laptop
01:41<mateusz>I get hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
01:41<mateusz>and ide: failed opcode was: 0xef
01:41<mateusz>any help ?
01:41<mateusz>I suspect its cause by hdparm, but I dont know what scripts are doing...
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01:47<gsimmons>mateusz: I think you're hitting bug #457386.
01:48<mateusz>gsimmons, its not fixed yet ?
01:48<mateusz>gsimmons, hm I'll check it
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01:49<mateusz>gsimmons, yes thats a bug thanks
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01:50<mateusz>gsimmons, and there is a patch:)
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02:04<pasquale>salve
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02:17<alaya>me cum benedictus
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02:53<vook>is there anybody out there
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03:08<Xenguy>nope
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03:11<PowerBook_G3>i'm having an issue here installing Debian/PowerPC
03:11<PowerBook_G3>i am trying to do it in a PowerBook G3, using BootX bootloader
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03:11<weechat_user>Hi
03:12<suiside>PowerBook_G3: I had better luck using yaboot on my G4
03:12<weechat_user>I see no fonts in X
03:12<weechat_user>any help?
03:12<weechat_user>even during writing
03:12<weechat_user>no fonts
03:12<PowerBook_G3>it successfully boots to the installer, and loads a bunch of stuff from the CD, and gets the point where it says configuring network with DHCP - but it stays there for like 4 minutes, and then suddenly the powerbook restarts itself and I'm back in the Mac OS
03:12<PowerBook_G3>suiside: this is an old_world mac
03:12<PowerBook_G3>no yaboot for me
03:12<suiside>PowerBook_G3: oh, okay
03:13<PowerBook_G3>since i have the entire CD, what is the need to even configure the network via DHCP at the install process
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03:13<PowerBook_G3>is there any way to perhaps bypass that, or does anyone else have any ideas what might be going on?
03:14<weechat_user>?
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03:18<suiside>PowerBook_G3: ii you're familiar with setting up networking on your own you propably could skip it and fix it after you've booted into the new system, everything you would need to get a bootable system should be on the cd
03:19<PowerBook_G3>i'm not sure how to skip it
03:19<suiside>s/ii/if
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03:20<suiside>PowerBook_G3: in anaconda you can get a menu of the install steps, and jump between them to redo a step or skip steps, some steps can't be skipped over if you want a working system
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03:21<PowerBook_G3>i forgot to mention i'm completely new to Debian and Linux in general, so i don't know what that means
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03:36<PowerBook_G3>i tried it this time using netcfg/disable_dhcp=true
03:36<PowerBook_G3>it asked me for manual network settings, which i entered
03:37<PowerBook_G3>after which, it did nothing for about four minutes (just a blank blue screen) and then the powerbook chimed and restarted into the mac os
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04:24<dushara>Anyone know about IIIMF?
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04:33<twb>Anybody know of a iCalendar-based day planner application that has a character cell GUI (TUI)? tdl pisses me off with its whole binary file format, and gcalcli / google calendar doesn't seem to offer any way to EXPORT data back out of it when after six months I discover that proprietary web services are evil and decide to switch to something else.
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04:34<twb>Nor am I keen on using Emacs' org or planner modes, since from past experience they seem to suffer from the intertwingled curses of NIH syndrome, massive data corruption, and complete lack of redeeming features.
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04:45<vook>anyone know how to change file-associations in midnight commander? /etc/mc/mc.ext isn't doing the trick.
04:46<twb>vook: mailcap?
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04:46<alaya>vook: ~/.mime.types maybe?
04:47<vook>ah! awesome. thanks
04:47<alaya>there's also the debian alternatives settings. man update-alternatives
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04:48<vook>I'm trying to get mc to open all video files with xine.
04:48<alaya>is it calling an alternative or xine directly?
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04:49<vook>alaya: I looked at update-alternatives earlier, but no luck. mailcap may be it.
04:50<vook>or maybe update-mime-datebase?
04:50<victor>I have a thinkpad with a p3 1.0Ghz cpu, and 256ram, it seems a bit slow, I'm considering how I can make it faster.
04:51<vook>alaya: it's calling mplayer for avi's and xine for mpgs ??
04:51<alaya>victor: more RAM more RAM more RAM
04:51<alaya>vook: no idea since i use konqueror for that kind of stuff
04:52<alaya>you can just select a file and then "edit file type" from menu to change the default
04:52<victor>alaya, my laptop is quite old, will the RAMs in the market fit?
04:53<vook>alaya: :) I'm finally discovering the joys of WindowMaker.
04:53<alaya>victor: go to thinkpad.com support and look up your machine type/model and find the specs, what the max is. its probably at least 512 or hopefully 1GB
04:53<alaya>vook: you can run kfm under that
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04:57<alaya>victor: what model?
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04:58<victor>alaya, your link leads me to lenovo.com
04:58<victor>alaya, thinkpad a30
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04:59<alaya>prolly uses PC2100 sodimm then
04:59<alaya>and takes a max of 1GB (2x512)
05:00<alaya>lenovo bought out the thinkpad line
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05:00<victor>alaya, are there still 512RAMs these days?
05:01<Gathond>victor: sure, they might cost more then newer models though:)
05:01<Gathond>that has more to do with the technology than the size though
05:01<victor>Gathond, so what model of RAMs should I buy?
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05:02<Gathond>whatever your manual says you can buy:)
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05:02<Gathond>for a P3 probably either SD133 SODIMM or DDR2100 SODIMM
05:02<Gathond>my old P3 laptop used SD133
05:02<purx>hello
05:03<victor>Gathond, this is a second-hand one, no manual.
05:03<Gathond>lenovo.com probably has one
05:04<alaya>ffs
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05:04<trueno>Hi! how can I allow a user to access a server via ftp but not grant him shell access?
05:05<alaya>did you ever think of taking the screw off the ram cover and actually looking at the one in it?
05:06<alaya>trueno: edit the shell entry in passwd to something else, like /bin/false
05:06<purx>debian-30r3-i386-binary-1.iso Is it a good version? I just have an opportunity to download only this one....
05:06<alaya>trueno: actually using usermod is probably the best way to do it
05:06<twb>I prefer the director's cut
05:06<Gathond>alaya: unless you have seen the various types that might not be that helpful, iirc most SODIMM's has a similiar physical layout
05:06<sep>trueno, set /bin/false as shell or something
05:06<valdyn>trueno: what alaya said and add /bin/false to /etc/shells
05:07<twb>It has an extra scene where Etch disembowels his neice
05:07<sep>trueno, if you want to allow sftp you can use /usr/lib/sftp-server as shell
05:07<alaya>you can also make it /bin/passwd if you want to give them the ability to change it
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05:08<alaya>Gathond: unless it has printed on it 256MB PC2100 which it might
05:08<trueno>alaya valdyn sep -- shell is /bin/false, but he can't even log in (using vsftp)
05:08<alaya>usually thinkpad original parts do
05:08<valdyn>trueno: which is why you need to do what i said
05:09<alaya>along with the FRU number
05:09<sep>trueno, you have to add false as a valid shell in /etc/shells
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05:11<trueno>alaya valdyn sep -- sorry, I missed that... It works now :-))
05:12<purx>I got debian-30r3-i386-binary-1.iso....Is it a stable version?
05:12<trueno>alaya valdyn sep -- Is there a way to use /usr/lib/sftp-server and chroot the user to his home dir?
05:12<valdyn>purx: yes
05:12<valdyn>!etch
05:12<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
05:12<valdyn>!sarge
05:12<dpkg>[sarge] Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/i386/iso-cd/ Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). Ask me about <sarge->etch>.
05:12<valdyn>!woody
05:12<dpkg>from memory, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>.
05:13<valdyn>purx: but pretty oold
05:13<purx>)
05:13<purx>ok, thanks
05:13<valdyn>purx: its not supported anymore, you shouldnt use it
05:13<victor>what about xfce? it's said to be faster and less resource-hungry
05:14<valdyn>victor: firefox + xfce > whole kde when using konqueror in resource usage, mind that
05:16<victor>valdyn, what if I don't use firefox?
05:16<valdyn>victor: what are you using then?
05:16<victor>will it consume that much resource?
05:16<victor>epiphay.
05:16<valdyn>victor: i think epiphany is tightly integrated into gnome
05:17<valdyn>victor: which would theoretically make gnome < xfce + epiphany in memory usage, but i havent tried that
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05:18<sep>trueno, not without lot of work , then i'd rather use a ftp server with chroot support allready
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05:18<valdyn>victor: there ought to be a gtk based browser than doesnt need all the gnome stuff
05:19<valdyn>victor: if you are really that concerned about resource usage, a browser like that would fit into xfce best
05:19<twb>valdyn: epiphany isn't tightly integrate into GNOME
05:19<valdyn>twb: ah
05:19<twb>valdyn: I used it regularly and I don't even have GNOME installed
05:19<valdyn>twb: im not sure you know what you are talking about
05:19<twb>21:16 <valdyn> victor: i think epiphany is tightly integrated into gnome
05:20<twb>...is what I refer to.
05:20<victor>twb, so what desktop enviroment do you use?
05:20<twb>Emacs.
05:20<valdyn>twb: because epiphany-gecko lists the whole bunch of gnome libraries in its dependencies
05:20<twb>libraries /= desktop environment
05:21<valdyn>twb: true, but it is what uses the memory and is what im talking about
05:21<victor>emacs desktop? never heard of that.
05:21<victor>valdyn, so could you please recommend one browser that will fit int xfce?
05:22<twb>Here, epiphany-gecko is using the same amount of memory as Emacs; 32MB
05:22<valdyn>victor: im using epiphany exlucsicely myself so i cant comment on quality of other browsers
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05:22<valdyn>victor: midori is gtk based, which makes it fit into xfce and doesnt pull gnome stuff
05:22<twb>Dillo and netsurf are both GTK based, and considerably lighter than Gecko -- they don't implement javascript, for example.
05:22<twb>libgdkwebkit0 includes a proof-of-concept GTK wrapper for a webkit canvas.
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05:23<twb>Using Python you can do something similar for gecko in about 20 lines, but it's horrible.
05:23<valdyn>victor: youre on etch right?
05:23<victor>valdyn, yeah.
05:23<trueno>sep -- I think I prefer to have my "ftp" use ssh rather than chrooting and installing another service plus opening another port in the firewall :-)
05:23<valdyn>victor: that excludes midori i suppose, would have been to nice
05:23<twb>From a technical perspective, Opera's browser is probably the best for full-featured browsing on embedded and low-resource systems, but it's unfortunately non-Free.
05:24<twb>Personally I use w3m-el mostly; backed by epiphany-gecko for the occasional broken site.
05:25<valdyn>victor: thats to bad because midori is like a perfect fit
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05:25<valdyn>victor: try kazehakase
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05:26<valdyn>!info midori etch
05:27<twb>kazehakase is also gecko based, which is where you take the resource hit.
05:27<valdyn>yea, agreed, but i dont see a serious alternative to gecko on etch
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05:29<twb>valdyn: it depends on whether you want/need stupid wankery like flash and js and css
05:29<valdyn>twb: or even css
05:29<twb>Ahem
05:31<trueno>bye all!
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05:41<victor>twb, leaving flash,css etc alone, what browser should fit xfce best, and saves resource?
05:43<tomma>I have a Debian lenny and I want to use icedove+enigmail+gnupg but enigmail says that it can't find gnupg bin. What can I do?
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05:45<m4steR>I would like to install gnome 2.22 on my etch
05:45<m4steR>do you know how can I do it?
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05:45<valdyn>m4steR: gnome 2.22 exists already?
05:46<m4steR>yes...
05:46<m4steR>valdyn, 2.20 sorry
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05:49<azeem>m4steR: there's no easy way I tihnk
05:49<azeem>think*
05:49<twb>victor: w3m or lynx, IMO
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05:50<m4steR>azeem, how many time we have to wait before a deb package?
05:51<azeem>m4steR: etch will never have 2.20
05:51<twb>Does bpo do stupid gnome wank?
05:51<azeem>twb: what
05:51<azeem>twb: please keep it on topic
05:52<m4steR>azeem, why?? :|
05:52<twb>azeem: bpo backports important stuff to Debian/stable. I wondered if they went to the (probably monumental) effort to backport GNOME.
05:53<dli>m4steR, lenny has 2.20.0
05:53<azeem>m4steR: because it's "stable", i.e. the package list is not being updated except for security updates
05:53<azeem>twb: one of the bpo guys was backporting gnome for his own leisure some time ago, but I don't know whether it was 2.20 and whether he planned to ever upload it
05:53<twb>azeem: fair enough
05:53<m4steR>dli, if i get lenny's repository can I update ?
05:53<twb>azeem: maybe the OP would want to chase that guy down
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05:54<azeem>I think it makes indeed more sense to go with lenny heere
05:54<azeem>here*
05:54<twb>I agree
05:54<azeem>!etch->lenny
05:54<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
05:54<dli>m4steR, yes, but you should be running lenny then, not just etch + gnome-2.20
05:54<azeem>m4steR: ^^
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05:54<twb>It's unlikely anything running a desktop environment needs the kind of stability Etch offers
05:55<m4steR>lol
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05:55<ChiasticSlide>I've always found unstable to be perfectly stable
05:55<twb>The only case I can think of for that would be military or emergency services workstations, and those would not normally be using GNOME
05:56<m4steR>I start update
05:56<m4steR>bye :D
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05:56<ChiasticSlide>Although I avoid it for about 2 months after a freeze
05:56<azeem>ChiasticSlide: please don't advocate unstable in here
05:56<ChiasticSlide>heh, ok
05:56<valdyn>unstable is a mess for people who dont know debian well
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06:01<victor>Can I remove gnome after installing xfce?
06:01<twb>victor: sure
06:02<valdyn>!remove gnome
06:02<dpkg>apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
06:02<victor>twb, what's command line for that, please?
06:02<azeem>victor: see what dpkg just said
06:03<twb>I would've done aptitude --visual-preview markauto ~sgnome ~ngnome, but dpkg's line is probably safer.
06:03<valdyn>i think "aptitude remove gnome" will do it too if gnome was completely installed via "aptitude install gnome"
06:03<twb>valdyn: correct
06:03<valdyn>but if thats not the case then aptitude remove gnome would just remove the metapackage
06:04<victor>azeem, the installation is not over yet.
06:04<victor>valdyn, I didn't install it, it's installed with etch via netinst
06:04<twb>I think he means tasksel installed it
06:05<azeem>victor: so wait till its over and remove it then
06:05<victor>dpkg: libfam0: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
06:05<victor> libgnomevfs2-0 depends on libfam0.
06:05<victor> kdelibs4c2a depends on libfam0.
06:05<victor>azeem, see above
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06:06<azeem>victor: which command are you running?
06:06<victor>apt-get install xfce4
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06:06<azeem>victor: and this is right after an etch install?
06:07<azeem>or did you upgrade to lenny/testing in the meantime?
06:07<victor>this is during xfce installation
06:07<azeem>that doesn't answer my question
06:08<victor>azeem, I moved from win xp to etch.
06:08<azeem>12:06 < azeem> victor: and this is right after an etch install?
06:08<azeem>12:06 < azeem> or did you upgrade to lenny/testing in the meantime?
06:08<victor>no lenny or sarge
06:08<azeem>ok
06:09<azeem>I was rather asking whether you've been installing a lot of other packages in the meantime, etc.
06:09<azeem>or added other repositories to sources.list
06:09<victor>I added contrib and non-free.
06:09<azeem>victor: anyway, try "apt-get install gamin" before you install xfce4, maybe
06:09<victor>what's gamin?
06:10<victor>azeem, I've already installed xfce4.
06:10<azeem>victor: eh, didn't you just said you had trouble installing it?
06:10<azeem>oh my, you forced it?
06:10<victor>no, it's just installed.
06:10<victor>no problem.
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06:11<azeem>victor: so, erm
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06:11<azeem>what is your problem?
06:11<victor>I want to remove gnome.
06:11<azeem>yeah right
06:11<azeem>we told you how
06:11<victor>"aptitude remove gnome"?
06:11<azeem>who said that?
06:12<victor>valdyn said it.
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06:12<azeem>nope
06:12<azeem>12:01 < valdyn> !remove gnome
06:12<azeem>he invoked the remove gnome factoid from the channel bot
06:12<azeem>victor: /msg dpkg remove gnome to read it again
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06:14<DaPutzy>hello
06:14<twb>azeem: victor is running into a libfam0/libgamin conflict
06:14<azeem>twb: well, apparently not
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06:15<twb>azeem: they both do the same thing, but trying to install xfce onto a system with gnome on it causes it to get upset, because each desktop tries to force one over the other.
06:15<azeem>I was confused at that as well, but I think all it says what he posted was that dpkg replaced libfam by libgamin
06:15<azeem>no idea /why/ he posted it
06:15<twb>I think so, yes
06:15<victor><victor> dpkg: libfam0: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
06:15<victor><victor> libgnomevfs2-0 depends on libfam0.
06:15<victor><victor> kdelibs4c2a depends on libfam0.
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06:15<azeem>victor: yeah, but what's your point?
06:16<twb>Perhaps he doesn't realize that warning can be ignored.
06:16<victor>that's what dpkg said while the terminal is running apt-get install xfce4.
06:16<azeem>victor: but you said it installed fine, no?
06:16<victor>yeah.
06:16<azeem>it's a warning, not an error
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06:17<victor>OK, i see. I thought it's best to post it here in case something went wrong. thank you.
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06:19<victor>what applications will be removed with the uninstallation of gnome?
06:19<azeem>gnome applications
06:19<azeem>victor: apt-get presents you a list before it removes packages
06:19<victor>ic
06:20<H>hola xerakko
06:20<azeem>!es
06:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:20<twb>It's great when maintainers just take my word for it that a ideological patch should be applied :P
06:21<victor>it's amazing that I can still do thing under gnome while it's being removed.
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06:24<twb>Not really.
06:25<twb>That's called "not hiring VMS freaks to design your filesystem"
06:25<twb>It's why Debian doesn't need to be restarted when you upgrade software, but NT does.
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06:26<victor> after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
06:27<victor>i have run apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common
06:27<victor>they are removed.
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06:27<victor>do i need to run aptitude and remove the "rest"?
06:28<victor>I really don't know how to use aptitude.
06:28<twb>So learn.
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06:29<azeem>victor: you can also try with e.g. synaptic
06:29<azeem>it can sort by section as well
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06:30<mrpouet>hi
06:30<lex>hi
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06:51<LordMagne>hello
06:51<Nightroad>hi
06:51<Nightroad>need help ?
06:51<LordMagne>yes
06:51<twb>Get to the point.
06:51<Nightroad>o.o?
06:52<LordMagne>I was wondering if it would be possible to copy the cd image to my ipod and install from that?
06:52<Nightroad>ahh
06:52<LordMagne>dont ask why I need to do that ;)
06:52<Nightroad>conect the usb
06:52<Nightroad>:B
06:52<Nightroad>is sample
06:52<Nightroad>worg >,<
06:53<twb>LordMagne: no, you would normally use the USB install media, since the iPod presents itself to the BIOS as a USB mass storage device
06:53<Nightroad>ahh
06:53<Nightroad>ok.
06:53<LordMagne>ok
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06:54<twb>However, it might not be possible to do this without permanently destroying your iPod's ability to boot, since the iPod firmware does (or used to) assume a particular partition layout and filesystem type
06:55<twb>If you have a USB "key", you will probably find it easier to use that
06:55<LordMagne>and there is no way to start the installation with netinst and then use a cd image copied to another part of the ipod?
06:55<twb>LordMagne: oh, sure, you can do that
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06:56<twb>It's a bit more fiddly; you need to anna-install a udeb that tells it to look for thingy.iso in the root directory of each /proc/partition's filesystem.
06:56<the-dude>you can use most ipods as a boot device
06:56<Gekz>ipods dont like it though
06:56<Gekz>:P
06:56<Gekz>you can format an ipod however you want
06:56<LordMagne>twb: hmm that sounds a bit out of my league
06:56<the-dude>Gekz: that was not the question :P
06:56<Gekz>they just dont like it very much
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06:56<Gekz>when you're done, just restore them with itunes
06:57<Gekz>and they're good again :)
06:57<Gekz>or, install ipodlinux to it
06:57<twb>Gekz: IME, they don't reboot and they are bricked if you delete their partition table
06:57<Gekz>then it doesnt care what partition structure you have
06:57<Nightroad>:\
06:57<Gekz>twb: nope
06:57<Nightroad>my MP4
06:57<Gekz>twb: you can dd it with zeroes
06:57<Nightroad>:D
06:57<Gekz>twb: I've done it multiple times
06:57<twb>Gekz: I bricked one in exactly this manner about five years ago
06:57<Gekz>twb: then you did something seriously wrong
06:57*the-dude has a shuffle brick
06:57<twb>Back when they had solid-state scroll wheels
06:57<Gekz>twb: you can always get into disk mode
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06:57<twb>Gekz: this thing would not do that
06:58<Gekz>twb: first gen?
06:58<twb>I think second or third
06:58<twb>Certainly before fourth gen
06:58<Gekz>third had no wheel
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06:58<Gekz>i'm sure you had the first then
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06:58<Gekz>it could have just had a very flawed system
06:58<twb>I'm in Australia
06:58<Gekz>I know from 3rd gen upwards its all good
06:58<twb>I don't think they HAD first gen models
06:58<Gekz>so am I
06:58<Gekz>we did
06:58<Gekz>I saw one in Dick Smith lol
06:59<Gekz>I was like "this thing sucks..."
06:59<Gekz>the nano was alright though
06:59<twb>I bought it to move .isos between home and work :P
06:59<Gekz>lol
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06:59<Gekz>did the hard drive give out?
06:59<twb>And then I realized the only filesystem it supported, vfat, didn't support >2GB files
06:59<Gekz>haha
06:59<Gekz>rar files, split them good
07:00<Gekz>or split and tar
07:00<Gekz>lol
07:00<twb>Yes, obviously
07:00<twb>But that isn't O(1)
07:00<LordMagne>ok so the ipod way seems a bit risky, it's just that I have a wireless usb network card to connect to the internet, and I'm guessing that's difficult to use for netinstall?
07:00<Gekz>LordMagne: what kind of ipod is it
07:01<twb>LordMagne: probably
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07:01<Gekz>it's a shame the ipod has no MMU
07:02<Gekz>uClinux isn't very fun
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07:02<LordMagne>8gb nano, the new model
07:02<Gekz>those things have encrypted firmware :)
07:02<twb>Meh, I'm totally over the idea of recording music in the first place
07:02<LordMagne>I had it connected when I was looking at the partitions, why is it FAT32? is there a reason for this?
07:02<Gekz>LordMagne: is the ipod still under warranty?
07:03<LordMagne>yeah
07:03<twb>LordMagne: because Windows sucks at every other filesystem
07:03<Gekz>LordMagne: then what are you worried about?
07:03<Gekz>I'm pretty sure you wont brick it
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07:03<Gekz>LordMagne: even when you think you have, you hold the center button and play and it goes into disk mode
07:03<Gekz>and you can restore it good
07:03<LordMagne>seems like they can call it my fault if I format it, no?
07:03<Gekz>I did that with my first gen nano about ... 20 odd times
07:03<twb>When I bricked my first ipod, the day I bought it, they replaced it (after a month) free of charge.
07:04<Gekz>LordMagne: if you brick it they wont know
07:04<debian>hmm i just bought a new SATA disk :)
07:04<Gekz>twb: first gen were prone to bricking by transferring music to them >_>
07:04<debian>i want to mirror/copy one of the partitions to the SATA disk
07:04<debian>can someone tell me a fast way to do this ?
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07:04<nikolavp>will dd work if the drives are not with the same size
07:04<nikolavp>?
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07:05<twb>Gekz: I took it out of the fancy cardboard, booted it, then did a cfdisk and mkfs, on it, then rebooted it. Bam, bricked :P
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07:05<twb>nikolavp: yes, if the target drive is larger
07:05<nikolavp>twb: so it will work :)
07:05<twb>nikolavp: however, you'll want to grow the filesystem later.
07:05<nikolavp>hmm what you mean ?
07:06<nikolavp>i formated the target partition
07:06<twb>If you dd the disks, then the partition table will leave the extra space on the new disk unused
07:06<nikolavp>and it is +5GB larger :)
07:06<Gekz>twb: the current ones have a protection mechanism lol
07:06<LordMagne>ok, so I will do netinst with ipod and beg for someone to let me put my ethernet cable in their plug... but I'll have to format it to another filesystem and rawrite to boot from it?
07:06<nikolavp>hmm i might use a simple cp then ;)
07:06<twb>Gekz: embedded hardware is all about handcuffing users now :-(
07:07<Gekz>twb: I know, it sucks
07:07<Gekz>>_>
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07:14<brunetton>hi all,
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07:14<brunetton>when trying to install pidgin today (debian unstable)
07:14<brunetton>The following NEW packages will be installed:
07:14<brunetton> libpurple-bin
07:14<brunetton>0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1179 not upgraded.
07:14<brunetton>Need to get 2241kB of archives. After unpacking 6373kB will be used.
07:14<brunetton>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
07:14<brunetton> libpurple0: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.3.1-z) but 2.4.0-1 is installed.
07:14<brunetton> pidgin: Depends: pidgin-data (< 2.3.1-z) but 2.4.0-1 is installed.
07:14<brunetton>Resolving dependencies...
07:14<brunetton>Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up...
07:14<brunetton>Abort.
07:15<azeem>brunetton: please don't paste into the channel
07:15<azeem>brunetton: if you use unstable, you should be prepared for this kind of breakage, and fix it yourself
07:15<the-me>brunetton, why are you using unstable? why you dont use a pastebin service?
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07:18<brunetton>the-me: I'm sorry, I'm not an old irc user. I'm reading about it to descover it
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07:18<brunetton>sorry for paste into chan
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07:19<brunetton>I'm using unstable dor developpement purposes (quite recent libraries versions)
07:20<brunetton>I'll try to fix the problem myself of course
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07:22<tass>i've got a problem with a aes-lre-benbi cipher: Check kernel for support for the aes-lrw-benbi cipher spec and verify that /dev/sda1 contains at least 383 sectors.
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07:22<brunetton>but I wonder since a quite long time : when there is such package dependencies problems, should I contact directely packager maintainer ? of course, not to blame him, but just to make him know that there is a problem
07:23<valdyn>brunetton: sure you can report a bug if its not reported
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07:23<valdyn>!bts
07:23<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
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07:23<valdyn>brunetton: debian lives off good bug reports..
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07:25<valdyn>brunetton: contacting the maintainer directlry might not be a good idea, because in that case he basically has to do the bug report himself
07:25<brunetton>valdyn: ok, it confirms that I thought
07:26<valdyn>brunetton: i think this is just an issue of triggering a rebuild of libpurple0 anyway
07:26<brunetton>valdyn: but I'm afraid to do bugs reports that don't help anyone, and make people losting time reading them on bugzilla
07:27<valdyn>brunetton: its easy, just run the reportbug tool and paste the error message with a subject like "broken dependency involving package x and y
07:27<blarson>brunetton: debian doesn't use bugzilla
07:27<valdyn>brunetton: the maintainer often will reply within few hours
07:28<brunetton>yes, I said bugzilla cause I'm too lasy ... I wanted to said bug tracking system
07:28<brunetton>valdyn: yes, I ofen do bugs reports for gnome
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07:29<Spee_Der>Good morning folks
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07:35<victor>I'm now on xfce, what tool can I use to read pdf files?
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07:36<victor>evince seems to depend on gnome.
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07:36<azeem>victor: xpdf maybe
07:36<Gekz>xpdf
07:36<Gekz>kpdf
07:36<azeem>victor: or try evince-gtk
07:36<azeem>that's without the Gnome love
07:38<victor>ok, thank you.
07:38<victor>which is better, evince-gtk or xpdf?
07:38<azeem>victor: try both and judge for yourself
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07:39<victor>alright.
07:40<azeem>the only time you'll get a unison answer to this kind of question is for "what irc text client is the best"
07:40<azeem>everything else is personal preference
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07:45<fxiny>i disagree : being irssi for beautiful people (like me) any ugly one can get the bitch (x sed ex) :P
07:45<victor>under xfce, what terminal would be able to copy and paste texts?
07:47<victor>i mean terminal emulator.
07:47<suiside>victor: terminal emulators don't handle copying and pasting of text, X does
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07:49<victor>suiside, ok. when i use gnome-terminal I can copy and paste texts, no since xfce is in gnome's place, gnome-terminal is removed.
07:49<victor>in this case, how can i copy and paste texts in the emulator?
07:49<victor>I tried shift+ctrl+c/v, doesn't work.
07:50<suiside>victor: gnome and kde feature a separate clipboard and copying and pasting works exacly like in windows as you described, to copy to the X clipboard just select text, it'll be copied automatically, middle click to paste
07:50<fxiny>xclip can help
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07:53<fxiny>victor: 2 left clicks for a single word , and 3 left clicks for a full line
07:54<victor>ok, what do i do after selecting it?
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07:56<fxiny>victor: to learn about the clip works : apt-cache show xclip , then browse to the address provided
07:59<fxiny>s/about/how
08:00<victor>epiphany has been removed, what browser will fit xfce? I have forgotten all the suggestions, sorry.
08:00<blik>hello, i have a sound problem under testing: flash does use esd while i would like it to use oss, how can i change that ?
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08:01<blik>so far i've only found exemple on using alsa :/
08:02<suiside>blik: if you haven't got a very very good reason for using oss you really should use alsa
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08:02<blik>well, my sb live isn't recognized anymore: it's supposed to be an audigy now ... as a result i don't have any sound at all with alsa :/
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08:04<blik>with oss it's ok, hence i'm back under oss now again
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08:04<suiside>blik: should work with emu10k1 driver in alsa
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08:06<blik>the problem is that the driver seems to be sure that i have an audigy, as a result it doesn't work (it seems to be the reason at least)
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08:07<blik>at startup i had: EMU10K1_audigy from time to time then it became systematic hance no more sound :/
08:07<blik>hence*
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08:10<blik>with oss everything is working fine so far, except that i cannot output several sound at once (useless anyway so i don't miss it) and that flash is outputting to esd which gives no sound and a cpu at 100% :(
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08:11<jaavii01>olas
08:12<victor>friends, xfce is really much faster.
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08:12<victor>than gnome
08:12<blik>i've found a bunch of docs on seting up alsa, but nothing for flash using oss nor esd using oss
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08:25<xpl>can someone recommend a graphical disk partitioner?
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08:28<AbsintheSyringe>:D
08:28<AbsintheSyringe>http://noobfarm.org/?754
08:30<xpl>how can i create more then 4 patitions on a disk
08:30<azeem>xpl: create an extended partition
08:30<xpl>ok, i ll rephrase
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08:31<xpl>how can i create more then 4 patitions on a disk but live these 4 i have
08:31<xpl>:D
08:32<azeem>xpl: you cannot
08:32<azeem>if those 4 are all primary partitions, that is
08:33<xpl>actually i have five but one of them is extended
08:33<azeem>xpl: post your partition layout to a pastebin
08:33<azeem>!paste
08:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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08:35<pocimaci>re
08:35<xpl>http://paste.debian.net/50319
08:36<xpl>azeem: you see, i wont to save that NTFS partition
08:36<xpl>azeem: i dont have windows on it, so i want to create a new partition to install windows on it
08:37<azeem>xpl: resize /dev/sda3
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08:37<azeem>eh
08:37<azeem>resize /dev/sda5
08:37<azeem>and then create a /dev/sda6
08:38<xpl>azeem: should that be a logical partition? i mean, can i install win on it?
08:39<azeem>partitions which are in an extended partition are called logical partitions, I think, yeah
08:39<azeem>no idea about Windows
08:40<xpl>azeem: i understand you completly (about the win) :D
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08:50<noble->is it possible to install debian on a seperate hard drive on my Vista machine and run them both without dual booting? 64bit dual
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08:50<_shai_>noble-: I suppose that's possible with VMWare.
08:50<_shai_>noble-: In that case you'd run Vista, and run Debian in a virtual machine.
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08:51<pocimaci>i have a problem with adsl
08:51<pocimaci>i have installed the pppoe
08:51<pocimaci>the ppp0 is visible
08:51<pocimaci>and the pap-secrets file is ok
08:51<noble->yeah I've done that, I kinda wanted to completely format the 1 hard drive and run it without vmware, I guess that's probably not possible or atleast a lot harder way of doing it
08:51<pocimaci>but don't have ip
08:51<valdyn>pocimaci: whats the actual problem, what's in /var/log/messages about the problem?
08:51<pocimaci>and i see in the log file that: time out
08:52<pocimaci>waiting for pad
08:52<pocimaci>time out
08:52<pocimaci>...pado
08:52<valdyn>!cut & paste
08:52*dpkg cuts & paste in half with a rabid chainsaw!
08:52<valdyn>!paste
08:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
08:52<pocimaci>:)
08:52<valdyn>pocimaci: timeout waiting for PADO packets means that you dont have adsl access
08:52<valdyn>pocimaci: wrong interface, wrong cabling
08:53<pocimaci>thanks, i will looking for
08:54<valdyn>pocimaci: you can use "pppoe-discovery -I eth0" to find out about it
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08:57<valdyn>pocimaci: like that: http://valdyn.org/~valdyn/adsl.txt
08:57<_shai_>noble-: You can't run two OSs at the same time without virtualisation.
08:57<pocimaci>thanks
08:57<noble->ok I figured that was the case, thanks mate
08:57<victor>I have removed gnome and installed xfce, and the Chinese input tool scim cannot work here, what can be done about it?
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09:20<XoX>does anyone know if ROOT NFS , support needs to be compiled on the kernel , if i want to have ROOT on NFS?
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09:21<qq>XOX: yes
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09:23<XoX>even when using NFS option in initramfs-tools ?
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09:25<onewithna>I have a question: Can someone please tell me how to save changes to alsaconf, when loading a new sound card.... When I installed Debian "etch" it didnt work... alsaconf didnt find any PnP cards but the ess legacy works but must be loaded with alsaconf each boot... i tried the "alsactl store" command but it didnt work at reboot. Any ideas?
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09:26<pocimaci>byez :)
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09:28<qq>XoX: I suppose ony , yes
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09:29<onewithna> I have a question: Can someone please tell me how to save changes to alsaconf, when loading a new sound card.... When I installed Debian "etch" it didnt work... alsaconf didnt find any PnP cards but the ess legacy works but must be loaded with alsaconf each boot... i tried the "alsactl store" command but it didnt work at reboot. Any ideas?
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09:30<qq>onewithna: put your sound module in /etc/modules
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09:31<onewithna>would it be easy for you to tell me how... newbie here
09:31<Trefoil>Âñåõ ïðèâåòñòâóþ! Åñòü ðóññêîãîâîðÿùèå?
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09:32<qq>nano /etc/modules , and write ther sound module find by alsaconf
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09:33<themill>!ru
09:33<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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09:33<Cyorxamp>how come this isn't #debian-english by the way?
09:33<Trefoil>dpkg, thank you
09:33<dpkg>no worries, Trefoil
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09:34<onewithna>qq, the only ting in that file is "loop" i need to add or replace this with "alsaconf" ?
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09:35<themill>onewithna: no, alsaconf will have told you about which module it was going to use for the sound at the end of its configuration, you use that module name
09:35<qq>just add a line with the module find by alsaconf
09:37<onewithna>how do i get that module info without re-installing the sound module.. is there an info command?
09:37<cahoot>cat /proc/asound/modules
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09:39<onewithna>cahoot... that folder on my system is empty
09:39<onewithna>i will just re-install
09:39<qq>is the reason you don't have sound
09:40<qq>here is snd_es18xx
09:41<onewithna>qq, when re-opening alsaconf.... it said it was unloading current drivers and there were like 20 entries... i need to add all of them to the modules file?
09:41<qq>no wait only
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09:43<qq>and do yes wen is demanded , but note the name of module he is choosing
09:44<onewithna>would something like "snd-es18xx" ?
09:44<themill>yep
09:45<onewithna>will try it now
09:45<qq>is exactly what i have , look some line up
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09:46<onewithna>any other info for the module file or just "snd-es18xx" nothing like "load or run"?
09:47<cahoot>just the name
09:47<qq>only snd-es18xx
09:47<onewithna>ok, about re boot.... IRC on diff machine let you know in a min
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09:49<onewithna>i just noticed qq that your line has "snd_es18xx" and i added "snd-es18xx" thats what it showed in alsaconf which is correct?
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09:50<cahoot>doesn't matter
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09:50<onewithna>nice.... i heard the module loading pop wile booting
09:50<onewithna>while*
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09:53<onewithna>very good.... many thanks to both of you qq, and cahoot.
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09:55<Flinx>Hi! I just trying to get AJAX work in Epiphany echo 2.14.3, but onreadystatechange is not working :( . I tried also in IE, FF, KHTML workimg just perfect.
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09:56<Flinx>sorry, pasted "echo" by mistake
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09:59<Flinx>AJAX request is sending to server for sure. I can see results, but onreadystatechange function is not executing.
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10:03<Flinx>Here is my AJAX script: http://pastebin.com/d26699c4c
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10:07<onewithna>should i expect file transfers from a shared folder in xp to a linux system to be rather slow? like 30 min for a 700 mb file?
10:07<Cyorxamp>10/100/11/54/108mbps network?
10:07<onewithna>100
10:07<Cyorxamp>nfs/ftp/samba
10:08<onewithna>samba i think.... its default i didnt set up anyting i just opend computer and it was on the network
10:08<Cyorxamp>should be quicker
10:08<Cyorxamp>what app you using to access the share?
10:09<onewithna>thats what i thought... but it did the same with my laptop too
10:09<onewithna>i dont know... whatever filemanager is default in GNOME
10:09<Cyorxamp>nautilus
10:09<onewithna>nautilus
10:09<onewithna>yes
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10:10<Cyorxamp>don't know, I access samba shares by mounting them using smbfs
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10:10<onewithna>so u mount them as a disk?
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10:11<onewithna>like a MS network drive?
10:11<Cyorxamp>kind of, (types)...
10:11<Cyorxamp>mkdir /mnt/windows_share; mount -t smbfs //windowsbox/sharename /mnt/windows_share -o username=mywindowsusername,password=mywindowspassword
10:12<Cyorxamp>then access /mnt/windows_share like a normal directory and you'll be viewing the contents of your windows share
10:12<Flinx>onewithna: You can use cifs filesystem "mount -t cifs //ip_address/share_name /path/to/mount_point -o username=blah,password=blah"
10:12<onewithna>ok i will try that a little later... i just didnt know if i sould be expecting delays between differing OS's
10:13<onewithna>i will save your suggestions in a file the womans calling...
10:13<onewithna>thanks!
10:13<Flinx>there can be dalay if you are copying TO NTFS FILESYSTEM using linux
10:13<onewithna>the file system in xp is NTFS
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10:14<Cyorxamp>but you're copying from, so it shouldn't be an issue
10:14<onewithna>should reformat to FAT32?
10:14<Flinx>no
10:14<Flinx>i mean if you copy TO NTFS, not from
10:14<onewithna>ok thanks
10:14<Flinx>using linux
10:15<Cyorxamp>over cifs it shouldn't matter either way, only direcly
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10:31<fob>hi. what filesystem should I use to be accessed from deb AND winxp?
10:32<fob>read AND write access
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10:32<Cyorxamp>fat32 currently is best for that
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10:32<Lynoure>Many choices. vfat, ntfs, ext2 at least work. Ext2 needs an add-on, which I think was free as beer.
10:33<Cyorxamp>however windows can read ext2/3 with some degree using ext2fsd
10:33<fob>Lynoure: how can I mount a NTFS partition read/write?
10:33<Cyorxamp>and linux can read/write ntfs to some degree using ntfs3g
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10:33<Cyorxamp>fob: Look up ntfs3g
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10:36<fob>damn ntfs-3g is not in the stable distribution
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10:37<Cyorxamp>its in backports
10:37<fob>I will have to use USB stick and reboot twice to exchange data between two partitions.
10:37<Cyorxamp>!backports
10:37<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
10:38<Cyorxamp>their simple to use
10:38<fob>!backport caveat
10:38<dpkg>Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports.
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10:46<kie27>amphi: hi, i have upgraded to testing, installed the tf-tools packages for the fingerprint reader, unfortunately tf-tool --acquire results in: Could not acquire fingerprint (communication with fingerprint reader failed). any other ideas?
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10:51<kie27>greets all, has anyone managed to get a fingerprint reader working with debian on a sony laptop? (i am using a g2).
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10:56<BlasterMan>hey
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10:57<aquatix>hey all
10:57<BlasterMan>hi
10:57<aquatix>i'm trying to get my sound card working with linux-image 2.6.24-4
10:58<BlasterMan>hmm
10:58<lontra>kie27: you might try google
10:58<aquatix>i have an old kernel [non debian 2.6.18] where it works
10:58<BlasterMan>oh?
10:58<BlasterMan>puzzling
10:58<aquatix>but on debian's stock kernel, alsaconfig sees it, configs it, then alsamixer says it's not there
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10:58<aquatix>also, udev doesn't seem to load the modules itself
10:58<BlasterMan>same hard drive and everything?
10:59<aquatix>snd-intel8x0 is the one i need
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10:59<aquatix>BlasterMan: eh? yeah
10:59<aquatix>only installed a new kernel
10:59<BlasterMan>i thought so
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11:01<BlasterMang>I mean, maybe it's changing it in ways it doesn't need to be changed
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11:04<aquatix>ok, wtf
11:04<aquatix>i purged all alsa packages, reinstalled them, reran alsaconf, and now it seems to work
11:05<aquatix>grbml
11:05<aquatix>oh well :)
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11:12<kie27>lsusb reports that the fingerprint reader is a SGS Thomson Microelectronics fingerprint reader, so i think that Thinkfinger should be the right driver, still searching on google...
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11:12<BlasterMang>Hello, I can't wait to play a GAME of Brawl wi-fi.
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11:12<ralf_>hallo
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11:13<Guest253>identify
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11:16<gloupy>hi
11:16<BlasterMang>Hey. Making GAME quotes is difficult.
11:16<gloupy>does anyone here has already got the clock sync right with etch/vmware . i cannot get it with kernel options or vmware tools
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11:17<the-dude>gloupy: do you use ntp?
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11:18<gloupy>nope
11:18<gloupy>time runs too slowly within the guest
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11:19<snorky>plopouyop
11:19<aron99>hallo
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11:23<Aleric>I'm trying to start iceweasel from inside a chroot and get:
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11:30<amphi>kie27: no, sorry - there is another driver mentioned on that thinkwiki page
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11:35<kie27>amphi: ah you mean the binary only driver?
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11:35<amphi>kie27: ISTR a reference to some .ru driver, perhaps I'm wrong - I wasn't think of the evil binary one ;)
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11:38<amphi>kie27: or you could contact the author of tp-tool, and see if you can help him add support for your reader, perhaps
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11:43<kie27>amphi: yes that would be the ideal situation, i will post on the mailing list or send him an email to see if he has any interest
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11:45<user01>trying to setup a static ip i edited the interfaces, file did /etc/init.d/networking restart, but the ip is not the one i specified did i miss a step?
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11:47<user01>do i have to configure something on the router?
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11:48<chops>So if I have an upstream tarball foo-4.0-rc1.tar.gz, and I prepare a Debian package foo-4.0~rc1-1, I get a warning from dpkg-source because of the mismatch in version numbers. Is that a warning I should actually be fixing in one way or another, or should I ignore it?
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12:01<chops>Also... since when does 's/(2)/x/' not match '2' in the same way that
12:01<chops>s/2/x/ does (when using sed)? Have I forgotten something basic about regexps?
12:01<chops>echo 2.6.19.2 | sed 's/(2)/x/' is printing '2.6.19.2' (not 'x.6.19.2') for me.
12:03<chops>Oh, it's 's/\(2\)/x/'. Huh.
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12:19<qq>chops: better if is fixed, but I don't know how
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12:21<chops>qq: Well, that's what I thought :-). Is it okay to just rename the upstream tarball to foo-4.0~rc1.orig.tar.gz?
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12:33<chops>So yet another question -- how do I do a for loop within a shell snipper in a Makefile?
12:34<chops>I'm trying something like "for module in $(ko); do echo $(module); done", which doesn't work (as I'd expect) but is what appears elsewhere in the makefile. "for module in $(ko); do echo $module; done" is what I'd expect, but it doesn't work either.
12:34<chops>"for module in ($ko); do echo $module; done" just echos a bunch of instances of "odule" :-/
12:36<azeem>try $$module, maybe
12:36<chops>azeem: Like magic :-)
12:36<chops>azeem: Thank you
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12:37<chops>azeem: Do you know _why_ that works? :-) Surely "$$" isn't how you escape a dollar sign in a shell snippet in a makefile, is it? (I did try "\$module" and "\\$module")
12:38<azeem>dunno, I thought it was simply double expansion or something
12:38<azeem>maybe $$ is the magic symbol to tell make to pass along this to the shell
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12:39<chops>azeem: Experimentation produces slight enlightenment. "echo $$" in a shell snippet echos "$", and "echo $$$$" in a shell snippet echos "4301". Ah, the joy of Unix :-).
12:39<chops>azeem: Thanks again
12:41*chops remembers the story about how the original make author realized that treating spaces and tabs differently was a bad design decision, but that there were already ten or twenty users at that point, and so he concluded that it would be too painful to change
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13:24<ferret_0567>wtf?
13:24<ferret_0567>ffs what?
13:25<azeem>ferret_0567: calm down
13:25<ferret_0567>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/lenny Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_lenny_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
13:25<ferret_0567>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
13:25<ferret_0567>azeem: any help please?
13:25<azeem>lenny/updates/lenny looks broken
13:25<ferret_0567>that was from /etc/apt/sources.list
13:25<azeem>pastebin your sources.list
13:25<ferret_0567>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates lenny
13:25<ferret_0567>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates lenny
13:26<azeem>*pastebin*
13:26<azeem>not paste
13:26<ferret_0567>that is all you need, I presume
13:26<ferret_0567>that is why I did not pastebin it
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13:26<azeem>well, it's wrong
13:26<azeem>who told you to put that in?
13:26<ferret_0567>azeem: that is how it is on my desktop
13:27<azeem>who setup your desktop?
13:27<ferret_0567>it ran debian lenny all the time, and it still does
13:27<ferret_0567>me'
13:27<azeem>so you set it up wrong
13:27<ferret_0567>and I did not change the sources.list!
13:27<azeem>the line is "deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main"
13:27<ferret_0567>oh
13:27<ferret_0567>sorry
13:27<azeem>note the main, not lenny
13:27<ferret_0567>isn't it "lenny main"?
13:28<ferret_0567>nvm
13:28<ferret_0567>just a min.
13:28<azeem>you can change testing for lenny if you want
13:28<ferret_0567>oh
13:28<ferret_0567>ok
13:28<ferret_0567>thanks
13:28<ferret_0567>works
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13:28<ferret_0567>azeem: ty very much!
13:28<azeem>np
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13:29<ferret_0567>FamilyDell-D3b12n:/home/travis# apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
13:29<ferret_0567>:)
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13:29<ferret_0567>this will work out just fine now that I have a lightweight command-line only system
13:30<ferret_0567>I hate Ubuntu 7.10 Gusty, BTW
13:30<ferret_0567>I just got away from it on this computer (above)
13:30<ferret_0567>I didn't know I was on OFTC, heheh
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13:35<ferret_0567>AnglaChel: awww, I want an Eee PC so bad!
13:36<ferret_0567>AnglaChel: anyway, get a Nintendo Wii Controller (Wiimote) with a bluetooth adaptor for your Eee
13:36<ServerSide>how can I convert a flash music to a .mp3 with ffmpeg?
13:36<ferret_0567>it will allow you to control it from across the room
13:36<ferret_0567>ServerSide: dunno :(
13:36<azeem>ServerSide: please don't crosspost
13:36<azeem>ferret_0567: you don't need to answer if you don't know
13:36<azeem>the other 500+ people in here do not, either
13:36<ServerSide>°.°
13:37<ferret_0567>azeem: hahaha
13:37<ferret_0567>ok
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13:37<ferret_0567>ServerSide: how do you type the degrees symbol on the Linux console, btw?
13:37-!-vika_wS [~monica@201.132.202.122] has joined #debian
13:37<ferret_0567>Alt+<A Number Code>
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13:38<ServerSide>°°°
13:38<ferret_0567>but what is the number code; does anybody know the answer to that?
13:38<ferret_0567>
13:38<Noid>google the ascii table
13:38<ferret_0567>CCC
13:38<ferret_0567>Noid: oh
13:39<ferret_0567>yeah, 002 is control+B
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13:39<ferret_0567>Noid: I am talking about UTF-8 codes
13:39<azeem>ferret_0567: it's unclear how those are related to Debian support
13:39<ferret_0567>͸ʚ긫̵Ōƽͷȡ놜ß6
13:39<ferret_0567>azeem: um...you get to know how to use these Linux features on Debian?
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13:40<Noid>ferret_0567: google utf-8 then (:
13:40<ferret_0567>Ŏ̉7,M͹ʐc,MU¼
13:40<ferret_0567>haha!
13:40<azeem>ferret_0567: stop writing utf-8 garbage
13:40<ferret_0567>I turned on reverse video
13:40<azeem>ferret_0567: if you have a debian question, ask it
13:40<ferret_0567>azeem: FIne!
13:40<azeem>otherwise, please either keep quiet or leave
13:40<ferret_0567>I'm kinda bored
13:40<ferret_0567>got an Nintendo Wii?
13:41<azeem>there's #offtopic
13:41<ferret_0567><please don't kick me for asking.../me is scared>
13:41<ferret_0567>azeem: thanks :)
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13:42<ferret_0567>azeem: would you please join #offtopic ? I have, I would like to talk about hooking up Wiimotes to Linux computers and such
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13:42<azeem>ferret_0567: also, stop bugging people in here
13:42<ferret_0567>azeem: with what?
13:42<ferret_0567>I don't think I am!
13:43<ferret_0567><yawn #debian very boring.../part>
13:43<azeem>ferret_0567: 80% of lastlog is from you *and* offtopic
13:43<azeem>that's sort of the last warning
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13:59<xDbr>can i use a i386 architeture cd in a celeron or sempron?
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13:59<hellues>does nvidia-glx driver wok for nvidia gforce 8500 T
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14:01<azeem>xDbr: yes
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14:02<xDbr>azeem: if i install the net cd from a k62 and change the hd to another pc it will work, won´t?
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14:05<nohero>hi! i cannot build virtualbox modules using module-install. the error is: ‘RTSPINLOCKTMP’ undeclared but google return nothing about
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14:08<azeem>Nightroad: please turn that off
14:09<Nightroad>ok, no problem
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14:19<user01_>hmmm . . . i changed interfaces file and now i have to type ifup eth0 when it reboots to start. . . anyway to make this automatic?
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14:21<azeem>user01_: is it dhcp?
14:22<user01_>azeem, nope it is static
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14:22<MoDaX>user01_: add "auto eth0" line to interfaces file somewhere
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14:24<user01_>MoDaX, on my line iface eth0 inet static could i just add the word auto ?
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14:24<azeem>user01_: man interfaces
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14:25<MoDaX>user01_: no, "auto eth0" in its own line
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14:25<user01_>auto lo eth0
14:25<user01_>gotcha
14:25<user01_>azeem, thanks
14:25<user01_>azeem, you always have to have a loopback right?
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14:27<user01_>im rebooting just to make sure it works
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14:29<user01_>gah now it is loading appletalk need to uninstall that
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14:34<Aleric>I can't get java to work on iceweasel onx86_64
14:35<Aleric>!java
14:35<dpkg>methinks java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
14:36<Aleric>!java_plugin
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14:39<user01_>are there really that many people that use appletalk services?
14:40<craigevil>Aleric: google for Icedtea-java
14:40<user01_>i cut off about 1 minute of boot time right there by removing it
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14:42<azeem>user01_: appletalk isn't installed by default
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14:45<Aleric>http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695
14:45<Aleric>That bug has been open since 2005-05-26
14:45<Aleric>DIE Sun DIE!
14:45<Aleric>err
14:46<Aleric>since 2004-05-26
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15:33<twb>Could someone running Sid tell me if /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/via.ids exists there?
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15:33<twb>It's not in Lenny; I think it must be new in Xorg 7.3
15:33<knoppix__>SLT
15:34<knoppix__>YA KK?
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15:34<twb>Guest279: please use English.
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15:34<jose1>hay algun castellano
15:35<PowerBook_G3>what would be a good window manager for a really low end system
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15:35<azeem>!es
15:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:35<PowerBook_G3>fast with not a lot of eye candy and stuff
15:35<PowerBook_G3>i'm talking like super low end
15:35<cahoot>screen
15:35<PowerBook_G3>like 250mhz G3
15:35<twb>PowerBook_G3: pfft, that's not low-end
15:35<PowerBook_G3>well, not to me it isnt'
15:36<PowerBook_G3>i'm not sure about you guys heh
15:36<Tarcas>blackbox?
15:36<twb>Low end is "I can't run glibc"
15:36<PowerBook_G3>i just want to be able to run firefox on this thing
15:36<PowerBook_G3>which Mac OS 9 can't do
15:36<PowerBook_G3>but i want it to not feel super slow so a simple window manager would be nice
15:36<twb>aewm
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15:36<twb>twm, ratpoison, tinywm...
15:37<PowerBook_G3>hmm thanks for all those suggestions
15:37<PowerBook_G3>i'll start looking into them
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15:38<twb>aptitude search ~Px-window-manager
15:38<twb>There's probably a way to sort by install size, too
15:39<qq>PowerBook_G3: hello
15:39<PowerBook_G3>qq: ah, hello
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15:39<PowerBook_G3>qq: last night i worked around the problems i was having, and was able to complete an install
15:40<PowerBook_G3>unfortunately, since i don't know what i am doing, apparently i didn't have the appropriate partitions for Quik bootloader
15:40<qq>super , you have done the installation
15:40<PowerBook_G3>so now i'm finishing up a second try at installing Debian
15:40<PowerBook_G3>now i'm planning ahead to which window manager i might like to use on a 250mhz g3 with non 3d-accelerated video
15:40<twb>PowerBook_G3: hmm, I did an install on a G4 a few years ago, using Etch (when it was testing) IIRC, and it Just WorkedTM
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15:41<PowerBook_G3>twb: the process is different on an old world mac
15:41<PowerBook_G3>much more complexicated as i'm discovering first hand
15:41<twb>Well, now you mention it
15:41<twb>I remember doing an install onto a Bondi Beach G3 iMac
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15:42<PowerBook_G3>thats still "new world"
15:42<PowerBook_G3>this powerbook g3 is the 1998 model - very first one
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15:42<PowerBook_G3>the one that looks like a 3400c
15:42<twb>Hmm, are you sure it was new world?
15:42<PowerBook_G3>and basically is a 3400c, but with a G3 processor and slightly faster video
15:42<twb>Ubuntu wouldn't install to it
15:42<PowerBook_G3>twb: from all the documentation i've seen, all G3 imacs were new world
15:43<PowerBook_G3>all imacs period i guess
15:43<twb>Shrug
15:43<PowerBook_G3>i guess i can't be sure from personal experience
15:43<PowerBook_G3>i could always boot the one i have up and find out
15:43<twb>I'm pretty sure if had OF
15:43<PowerBook_G3>some time in the future
15:43<twb>I guess that means NW
15:43<PowerBook_G3>i believe the difference between the new worlds and old world is, old world had it burned into some sort of ROM
15:44<PowerBook_G3>whereas new world had firmware as a file on the hard disk
15:44<PowerBook_G3>since i've never used Linux before, only Mac OS
15:44<PowerBook_G3>i never had to worry about it so i don't really know exactly what the difference is
15:44<PowerBook_G3>but Mac OS 9 has gotten to the point where the latest web browser is from 2002 or so
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15:45<PowerBook_G3>so here i am yay
15:45<qq>ok
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15:48<qq>first quik you not need , you use boox for
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15:48<twb>qq: eh?
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15:48<PowerBook_G3>i used BootX to boot into the installer
15:48<PowerBook_G3>but i'd rather not have a deicated Mac OS partition on the powerbooks internal hard drive
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15:48<PowerBook_G3>so i have an external scsi drive with mac OS 9, boot x and quik and some other utilities installed, but i'm going to try to be pure Debian on the internal hard drive
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15:48<qq>not only , you 'l use for boot debian
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15:49<PowerBook_G3>one concern i have is, last night as you might recall my system kept stalling and restarting abruptly at the "network configuration" portion of the install process - my work around was to simply skip over that
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15:49<PowerBook_G3>but might that cause me problems once it comes time to actually boot and use the system?
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15:50<qq>no at all
15:50<PowerBook_G3>excellent
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15:51<PowerBook_G3>also, i have only two peripherals that i would want to use with this system - an Orinoco Gold wireless PC card, and an external SCSI CD-RW drive
15:51<PowerBook_G3>should i be worried about either of those two things?
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15:52<Stardreck-Voyeur>hi
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15:52<Stardreck-Voyeur>i have damn small linux with gnu-utils and apt. it does not install dependencies on its own. what can i do?
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15:53<qq>but machine has not internal RJ45 ?
15:53<azeem>Stardreck-Voyeur: please ask the DSL people
15:53<PowerBook_G3>it does
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15:54<Stardreck-Voyeur>azeem: its just debian after that
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15:54<azeem>Stardreck-Voyeur: after what?
15:54<PowerBook_G3>but it's a device specific to PowerBook 3400cs and the original G3, which is a combination RJ45 and 38.8k modem in one port
15:54<azeem>Stardreck-Voyeur: DSL is /not/ Debian, please ask in the appropriate channel
15:54<Stardreck-Voyeur>after installing gnu-utils and apt
15:54<PowerBook_G3>i'm not sure if perhaps thats why my system was going all crazy at that point
15:54<azeem>Stardreck-Voyeur: apparently not, or else it wouldn't fail
15:54<Stardreck-Voyeur>ok
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15:55<qq>I use my internal RJ45 on my PowerBook 3400c and is ok
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15:58<rrm>hi guys... newbie with a questions
15:59<qq>yes ?
15:59<twb>!ask
15:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
15:59<rrm>i have an ar5215 wifi and either madwifi or ndis does not work
16:00<qq>on wich debian
16:00<qq>?
16:00<rrm>latest testing
16:01<qq> wich kernel ?
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16:01<rrm>2.6.22 686
16:01<qq>upgrade to 2.6.24 plase
16:01<rrm>i think... the lastest one from the repository
16:01<qq>please
16:02<qq>yes
16:02<rrm>i could not... does not show under the update
16:02<qq>use wget http:// ....
16:02<azeem>qq: huh?
16:03<twb>.24 isn't in Lenny.
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16:03<qq>yes I do so
16:03<azeem>qq: what are you talking about
16:03<rrm>yeah i think i got lenny
16:03<qq>the pure reality
16:03<twb>azeem: I think he's advising the OP to manually download a package from Sid, the dpkg -i it. Which is dumb.
16:03<azeem>qq: this is a channel for Debian support. If you are not qualified, please do not give bad advice
16:03<rrm>is funny since i did try ubuntu and xubuntu and they were ok... but under ubuntu was not working al th etime
16:04<qq>dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-1-686...
16:04<dpkg>package linux-image-2.6.24-1-686... is already installed
16:04<rrm>that is the one i got
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16:05<rrm>i got kernet 2.6.22-3
16:06<rrm>anyone...
16:06<rrm>?
16:06<azeem>rrm: well, for starters, what do you mean with "does not work"?
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16:07<rrm>does not detect it... it shows under lspci
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16:07<azeem>rrm: did you install the drivers?
16:07<azeem>!madwifi
16:07<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net
16:07<rrm>but just does not work... does not show under network setting
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16:08<rrm>madwifi says it can not find some directory
16:08<azeem>rrm: that's not helpful
16:08<rrm>btw... i am a newbie that my next upgrade to windows will be linux so you guys know
16:08<azeem>rrm: if you want help, paste the full output including the error to a pastebin
16:08<azeem>!paste
16:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
16:09<snorky>hi
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16:10<rrm>azeem as much as i want to post that... i would not know what u mean... i will try again and paste the commands
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16:10<rrm>i think i will download over the new the install and try again
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16:10<azeem>rrm: we need the error message
16:10<azeem>"can not find some directory" is not an error message
16:10<chump_>hey guys I want to do a Tri-boot
16:11<chump_> windows / debian etch / debian sid i have windows and debian etch installed how would i install the third system with out messing up grub?
16:11<azeem>chump_: just install etch another time
16:11<azeem>it will detect the two other systems
16:12<rrm>that will take a while while i reinstal it... i have ndis installed right now and does not work with the correct driver either
16:12<snorky>I got a SB Live that run fine under windows, but sometime under linux, I get cracking sound until I reboot computer. Did someone know what can be the problem and how to solve it ?
16:12<azeem>then you can upgrade to unstable
16:12<rrm>does not show under network
16:12<azeem>chump_: or you can just install an unstable chroot
16:12<chump_>what do you mean chroot?
16:12<azeem>!chroot
16:12<dpkg>chroot is probably a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
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16:15<rrm>oh wel... also when about to log in i get it users $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored
16:16<azeem>what is that file used for?
16:17<rrm>do u think i know
16:17<rrm>like i said.. newb
16:17<azeem>if you don't know, how do you know it's being ignoredŸ?
16:17<rrm>cause that is what it tells me when i log in
16:18<azeem>again
16:18<azeem>if you want help, tell us the EXACT message you get
16:18<rrm>$HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored
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16:19<azeem>where do you get that?
16:19<rrm>when i type in my log int and click the log in buttong
16:19<azeem>so a window pops up?
16:19<rrm>yeah
16:19<azeem>what desktop environment are you using?
16:19<rrm>gnome
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16:20<azeem>what does "cat ~/.dmrc" in a gnome-terminal output?
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16:21<rrm>Desktop session=default
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16:22<azeem>hrm
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16:32<qq>funny ...
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16:39<hellues>http://paste.debian.net/50363
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16:39<hellues>hey how can i fix this error pls check
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16:41<petemc>!mmap
16:41<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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16:44<chump_>hey guys what paakcages do i need for Gnome and X to work properly?
16:44<PowerBook_G3>ok so the Debian base install process finished
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16:44<PowerBook_G3>and i selected the "install quick onto hard drive" option as a logical next step
16:45<PowerBook_G3>but that stops with an unspecified error saying it can't continue, so i selected continue without boot loader, and restarted
16:45<PowerBook_G3>it of course restarted into the mac oS, and i tried running quick from mac os
16:45<PowerBook_G3>and it gives me the following error
16:45<PowerBook_G3>hda2: Filesystem has unsupported feature(s) opening filesystem
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16:45<PowerBook_G3>and thats it
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16:49<hellues>petemc
16:49<hellues>same error
16:49<hellues>i put this linee to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf
16:49<hellues>ichange cache number as it wrote below
16:49<hellues>but no changes
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16:52<hellues>nhey
16:52<hellues>doesnt fix
16:52<hellues>that doesnt fix the error
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16:55<qq>ah
16:56<PowerBook_G3>i used the installer's "use entire disk" option so i don't know if that's not what i should be using
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16:57<qq>and you know the debian partition ?
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16:57<PowerBook_G3>i would imagine thats hda3
16:58<PowerBook_G3>the "use entire disk" option makes three partitions
16:58<PowerBook_G3>a swap, a root, and a "boto"
16:58<PowerBook_G3>boot
16:58<PowerBook_G3>i'm not sure which one of those i should enter into quik
16:58<PowerBook_G3>and regardless, quik on the debian installer side fails to install i don't know if that is meaningful
16:59<qq>ok
16:59<PowerBook_G3>quik on mac os at least launches but gives that file system has unsupported features error
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16:59<qq>ok
17:00<qq>do you have the acces to the new kernel image ?
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17:00<PowerBook_G3>no
17:00<hever>Hi I'm using file hardlinks under the ext3 filesystem. I've got a hardlink from /etc/passwd into a chroot/etc/passwd. If I add a user the /etc/passwd file is updated but the one in the chroot isn't ??? Simple tests with two files won't reproduce the error... What's my mistake ?
17:00<PowerBook_G3>mac os doesn't recognize the linux volumes - it even asks me if i want to initlize them
17:01<PowerBook_G3>but that could be because i have a minimal Mac OS install which may not have appropriate extensions, i'm not sure
17:01<qq> I know that
17:01<PowerBook_G3>qq: how might i access the new kernel image without access to the volumes?
17:02<qq>you are missing a step
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17:03<PowerBook_G3>a step where - in the install process?
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17:03<qq>ones in debian have to mount mac partition and copy there the new kernel and initrd.img
17:05<qq>now , let's try bootx
17:06<PowerBook_G3>i don't know how to do that from debian installer
17:06<PowerBook_G3>the only kernel and image i have for BootX is the ones that launch the installer
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17:07<qq>use vmlinux and put the right directory were debian live , /dev/hda3 or so
17:08<qq>I tolking to do this in bootx
17:08<PowerBook_G3>i thought i tried that and it ended with a kernel panic, cannot load VFS something or other
17:08<PowerBook_G3>i can try again
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17:09<hever>I don't understand my Problem because with two test files it's still working...
17:09<qq>you guess the new root of debian /dev/sda3 or /dev/hda4 or so
17:10<PowerBook_G3>should i enter that as an argument
17:11<PowerBook_G3>like root=/dev/hda4
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17:11<qq>yes
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17:11<williston>oi
17:11<williston>i am from brazil
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17:11<williston>hello
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17:12<qq>hi
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17:12<williston>you brazil
17:12<qq>no
17:13<williston>eua
17:13<williston>habla español
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17:13<qq>please do "join #debian-pt"
17:13<gravity>!br
17:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:13<hellues>hey
17:14<williston>debian-br
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17:14<williston>oi antonio
17:15<williston>alguem ai é do brasil
17:15<qq>exacly so /join #debian-pt
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17:16<qq>williston: or /join #debian-es
17:17<williston>????
17:17<qq>do /join #debian-es
17:17<azeem>qq: dude, brasilians speak portuguese
17:17<azeem>!br
17:17<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:18<qq>azeem:
17:18<williston>sim
17:18<gravity>I did that already
17:18<gravity>He didn't get it
17:18<williston>azeen tud obem
17:18<twb>azeem: some of them speak Spanish, too :-)
17:18<azeem>twb: so do germans
17:18<gravity>how do I worked irc
17:18<twb>Spanish is a delightful language.
17:18<williston>vc tc da onde
17:19<azeem>williston: /j #debian-br
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17:20<williston>por vfavor alguem ai hablar español
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17:20<qq><williston> habla español
17:20<qq>!
17:20<gravity>heh, good move
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17:21<bruno>!list
17:21<dpkg>one warez list being sent to bruno
17:21<bruno>!help
17:21<azeem>!ask
17:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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17:23<PowerBook_G3>yes giving BootX the argument root=/dev/hda3 still results in it loading the installer
17:25<qq>that means you have found there the boot partition , go on to root=/dev/hda4 now
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17:27<chump_>hey guys i have an intel i945 and i just install xserver and the drivers are installed but they aren't being used by xorg
17:28<chump_>in my xorg.conf there under output device it says generic video device
17:28<hever>Someone told me that my hardlink probem occours because the /etc/passwd file is new created instead of changed, so the link in the chroot to it is old. I'm using useradd, so how can I find out more about this behavior (nothing in the manpage) or can I tell useradd not to create a new file ?
17:28<chump_>how can i reconfigure the package so it uses the correct driver?
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17:29<twb>chump_: change Device "vesa" to Device "intel"
17:30<chump_>twb: thats all i have todo?
17:30<PowerBook_G3>hda4 is my swap partition
17:30<twb>chump_: you'll need to restart xorg
17:30<PowerBook_G3>my partitions are hda2 = boot, hda3 = /, and hda4 = swap
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17:30<qq>haw do you know ?
17:31<twb>chump_: there are numerous other tweaks to xorg.conf that you can do, but none are really necessary.
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17:31<qq>try root=/dev/hda2
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17:32<hever>And why must useradd create a new file ?
17:32<twb>Perhaps it's lonely
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17:33<chump_>hmm i'm getting a No Screens found XIO: fatal IO error 104(Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
17:33<chump_>when i do a startx
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17:34<chump_>i think i haven't modprobed the drivers
17:36<PowerBook_G3>because thats what they were
17:36<PowerBook_G3>and quik verifies that
17:36<PowerBook_G3>i checked to see what partitions the debian installer did
17:37<PowerBook_G3>and made a mental note of them
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17:37<PowerBook_G3>hda2, boot, is an ext2 partition
17:37<PowerBook_G3>hda3, root, is an ext3
17:37<PowerBook_G3>and hda4 was a swap
17:37<twb>chump_: I think they're modprobed automagically.
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17:37<twb>!return
17:37<dpkg>return is probably not punctuation
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17:38<qq>ok , than root=/dev/hda2
17:39<twb>root=/dev/hda2 is surely wrong
17:39<twb>But that argument doesn't matter if you're loading the installer's kernel and ramdisk
17:39<twb>You should be loading the kernel and ramdisk from hda2.
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17:41<PowerBook_G3>ok i'm going to have to get back to this in a few hours
17:41<PowerBook_G3>thanks everybody again
17:42<qq>bye
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17:46<qq>twb: in absolutely way you right
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18:33<evanio>Olá a todos. Estou com um contratempo.
18:33<evanio>Acabei de instalar o Matlab7Release14 e apereceu este erro:
18:33<evanio>/usr/local/matlab7/bin/scripts/.matlab7rc.sh: line 224: syntax error near unexpected token '|'
18:33<evanio>/usr/local/matlab7/bin/scripts/.matlab7rc.sh: line 224: ' MATLAB=|>MATLAB<|'
18:33<evanio>Alguém sabe qual a razão ??? E o que eu poderia fazer para tentar contornar ???
18:33<evanio>Grato pela atenção.
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18:36<azeem>!br
18:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:36<evanio>ok
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19:25<PowerBook_G3>I've tried installing Debian various ways like three times now onto an oldworld PowerBook G3. In my most recent try, I created three partitions, two ext2 and one swap, and install just the base system which installs fine. But when I get to the point of installing quik, the installer refuses, saying there was an error (but not what the error was). When I try the Mac OS version of quik, it says the filesystem has unsupported fe
19:25<PowerBook_G3>so i'm pretty lost now i don't know what else to try differently
19:26<PowerBook_G3>BootX will also not boot it
19:26<PowerBook_G3>and even if it did, i don't want to rely on BootX which seems very clumsy
19:26<rafa>eih, I think there's nobody here
19:28<chealer>PowerBook_G3: you message was truncated at "it says the filesystem has unsupported fe"
19:28<PowerBook_G3>"features" was that last word
19:28<PowerBook_G3>and it was the last word of the message
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19:32<SeveredCross>Oh hey, I managed to get the working directory mounted via Samba.
19:33<SeveredCross>Whoops, wrong channel.
19:33<Ouroboros>if /tmp is tmpfs, why does it not show up in mounts?
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19:38<EnK>does anybody have a suggestion for Firefox and Macromedia flash locking up?
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19:40<amphi>don't use either? ;)
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19:42<elou>anyone knows where can i speak about manga ?
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19:45<Junior01>elou, manga?
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19:51<ice_code>hello everyone I have a question.
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19:51<ice_code>I was wondering how I can watch my dvd movies on knoppix?
19:51<path>is this knoppix ?
19:51<themill>!knoppix
19:51<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.Debian.org/projects/Debian-knoppix/ http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems
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20:03<deejay>hi all
20:03<yel>hi
20:03<deejay>anyone know of a good graphical all in one AVI - DVD Convewrter???
20:05<deejay>take that as a no then
20:05<deejay>bye yel
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20:11<alaya>!ops bobdin is making unsolicited PMs
20:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: alaya complains about: bobdin is making unsolicited PMs
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20:12<bobdin>hello
20:12<bobdin>is there someone to talk with about ubuntu?
20:12<gravity>bobdin: First, don't /msg people without their permission (see /topic)
20:13<gravity>bobdin: Second, head over to #ubuntu to chat about ubuntu
20:13<azeem>... on irc.freenode.net
20:13<phorce1>!ubuntu
20:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:14<bobdin>ok
20:14<bobdin>thank u so much
20:14<bobdin>u are so sympa
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20:19<javo>hi. i have a problem with my kde in lenny. i was using my computer as allways, listening music and browsing the internet, when suddenly the entire kde deskbar dissapeared.
20:20<javo>now i tried restarting the X and even restarting my pc, but i can't get back my deskbar
20:20<javo>any idea about what can i do?
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20:22<slugone> is there a list of libs i should install to make programs and such....
20:23<lupine_85>slugone: apt-get build-dep <source package>
20:25<chealer>javo: ask #debian-kde
20:25<slugone>what other libraries are useful?
20:25<javo>thanks chealer
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20:26<javo>i solved my problem. thanks!
20:27<javo>is there a way to know how manny open session my sistem has?
20:27<javo>open sessions?
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20:29<odine>im currently running a windows server 2003 sbs..... isnt it possible to change it to a debian system as the domain manager and my vista boxes connect to it as if it was a domain controller?
20:31<chealer>javo: do you know the who(1) command?
20:32<javo>no i dont
20:32<javo>thanks chealer that is good for me :D
20:34<lupine_85>slugone: build-essential
20:34<odine>basically i wanna setup debian to run like a windows server domain controller would (with roaming profiles) can someone point me to a good howto on how i can do this...... im very familiar with linux. just never attempted to use it as a domain controller
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20:37<Bossmanbeta>anyone aware of a way of detaching a remote X application running via 'ssh -Y' for re-attaching later? (Just like 'screen' but for X apps) There's an old-old app called 'xmove' (last updated 1997) but it's very buggy and doesn't work. VNC and NX are whole-desktop solutions and doesn't work well when I want to run local & remote apps on a unified local desktop.
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20:43<pericles>hi...
20:44<pericles>does someone knows how to set up dnsmasq?
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20:45<amphi>pericles: I put nameserver ips in /etc/resolv.dnsmasq, 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf, and tell dnsmasq to use /etc/resolv.dnsmasq
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21:18<GhostlyDeath>How do I add gain to my microphone w/ ALSA?
21:18<GhostlyDeath>because when I talk into it, it's reaally low
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21:19<qq>do you have a mixer such alsamix amix ?
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21:20<GhostlyDeath>yeah
21:20<GhostlyDeath>also have GNOME's volume control also
21:20<qq>yes
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21:22<qq>amixer
21:23<sime>alsamixer
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21:25<qq>alsamixergui gnome-alsamixer
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21:29<alaya>unmute and up the mic boost in alsamisergui
21:30<alaya>it must also be selected (red)
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21:35<brunner>which wireless chipset should I get? Atheros AR5006EX, Intel WM3945AG, or Intel 4965AGN?
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21:36<amphi>I know the intels are well supported under linux
21:36<johns>that atheros chipset might work with the ath5k driver, which doesn't require proprietary firmware to be loaded
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21:37<abrotman>but is still beta i though
21:37<abrotman>thought
21:37<johns>I'm using it now
21:37<johns>it's new though, yeah
21:39<brunner>johns: I've been told it works with madwifi
21:39<brunner>but I don't know which to choose - intel or madwifi
21:39<johns>brunner: ath5k is the free replacement for that, I think
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21:39<raulslacker>puto
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21:43<brunner>so what would you do? intel or madwifi?
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21:49<alaya>brunner: i'd definitely go with an intel over atheros
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21:50<johns>I went with atheros because of the firmware issue
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21:51<brunner>thanks
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21:54<Korpsaw>hello all!
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22:25<dav>#reunion
22:26<dav>oh pardon
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23:04<michael>Olá
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23:04<michael>vc usam o debian?
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23:07<abrotman>!es
23:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:07<abrotman>bah .. he left
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23:21<javo>hi. howto install java jre for iceweasel?
23:21<javo>at the opensource way?
23:22<javo>i mean, without non-free packages?
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23:23<craigevil>javo: google icedtea-java
23:23<javo>thanks craigevil !
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23:28<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if anyone knew if i were to encrypt a partition with LUKS on my debian boot if i would be able to use it on Ubuntu?( i know this isn't #debian just wondering)
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23:51<hellesar>hola
23:52<suiside>chump_: actually, this is #debian =P
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23:54<chump_>suiside: haha you know what i meant haha
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