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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-03-03

---Logopened Mon Mar 03 00:00:26 2008
00:00<ziggy>anyone know why my mutt would display "Type: text/html, Encoding: 7bit" as raw html and not pipe it through elinks?
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00:03<amphi>ziggy: odd - a defect in /etc/mailcap?
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00:37<mint>dd
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01:33<jamuraa>does anyone have recommendations for a partition resizer that works on ext3 and is reasonably easy to use from the terminal?
01:34<PowerBook_G3>if i'm booting the Debian installer from BootX, is there any way that i can force a certain screen resolution
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01:35<PowerBook_G3>because it keeps disappearing from my PowerBook G3's screen after a brief moment of scroling text
01:36<blarson>PowerBook_G3: from grub, you can use vga=whatever on the kernel command line. You may be able to do that on BootX.
01:37<PowerBook_G3>what would i replace whatever with
01:37<blarson>Where whatever is a magic hex number to specify screen resolution.
01:37<PowerBook_G3>as an example
01:37<alaya>hwinfo --framebuffer will print out a list of capable resolutions
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01:43<pwd>jamuraa parted can be used in terminal, but the gui's are more easy (qtparted/gparted)
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01:53<rrm_>I was here earlier.. I still not not get my atheros wifi card to work... anyone can help.. newb here
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01:55<jamuraa>pwd: parted doesn't seem to work at all on ext3
01:56<jamuraa>pwd: I suppose I can try to setup xorg on this machine just for using gparted/qtparted
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01:58<pwd>jamuraa my experience with gparted is very comfortable, can change my home partition size with no problems
02:01<pwd>the only tip is enter in safe mode
02:01<pwd>:)
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03:35<morgan`>hello
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03:41<Slydder>anyone here been able to get a ms sidewinder mouse working under etch in gnome? the system sees it but for some reason i can't use it.
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03:52<indraveni>hi al
03:53<indraveni>I am trying to install an application which uses python
03:53<indraveni>after installation while trying to run, its throwing an error message like http://pastebin.ca/925770
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03:53<indraveni>could some one please help me in resolving it
03:54<indraveni>i installed python-zopeinterface, still I face the same error message
03:54<kmap>indraveni: Does your applicaiton use python 2.3 or 2.4?
03:55<indraveni>it uses 2.3
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03:57<kmap>indraveni: Does python-zopeinterface have modules for python 2.3?
03:58<indraveni>kmap, I am not able to trace that
03:58<kmap>indraveni: dpkg -L python-zopeinterface
03:58<indraveni>its not creating anything under /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages
03:58<jm_>apt-file list++
03:58<kmap>Then it probably doesn't have anything...
03:58<kmap>for python 2.4
03:59<indraveni>oops, its havin only for 2.4 and 2.5
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04:03<kmap>indraveni: You may have to port your application...,
04:03<kmap>(or try running it with python2.4)
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04:04<indraveni>kmap, ya, i found a solution, the version 3.2.1-5 , has a module for 2.3 python
04:05<indraveni>kmap, thankyou for giving nice troubleshooting method
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04:08<Slydder>anyone here been able to get a ms sidewinder mouse working under etch in gnome? the system sees it but for some reason i can't use it.
04:08<kmap>indraveni: Superb!
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04:18<indraveni>kmap, i got struck with another problem
04:18<indraveni>kmap, now the following is the problem
04:18<indraveni>ImportError: No module named Crypto.Cipher
04:19<indraveni>what would be the related package for this module
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04:20<kmap>indraveni: I'll have to check
04:20<kmap>indraveni: python-crypto?
04:21<indraveni>kmap, but that package is installed
04:21<kmap>indraveni: For python 2.3?
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04:35<chump_>hey guys i'm wondering how i should go about chmoding a drive if i want a user to be able to read / write to this drive?
04:38<jm_>what kind of file system is on it?
04:42<chump_>ext3
04:42<chump_>ext3 that i'm going to use for two different OS's running vm to be able to interact with a windows sae
04:42<chump_>save*
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04:43<jm_>then you need to chmod it according to the ownership
04:44<chump_>will a chown be a better way to approach this?
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04:46<jm_>possibly - depending on which groups your users are in etc.
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05:15<padski>why does ip rules list say "0: from all lookup 255", when 255 is in cat /etc/iproute2/rt_tables ?
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05:26<Slydder>anyone here been able to get a ms sidewinder mouse working under etch in gnome? the system sees it but for some reason i can't use it.
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05:26<giwrgos>goodmorning
05:27<giwrgos>i have a wireless problem with an intel 4965 although i have installed the driver
05:27<giwrgos>to be more specific
05:28<giwrgos>even though the network (wireless) is scanned, and i set with iwconfig the properties
05:28<giwrgos>the network seems not to be in work
05:28<giwrgos>no error messages in kern.log dmesg
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05:29<giwrgos>except that when "dhclient wlan0" there is a message wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 (x2)
05:29<giwrgos>is there any idea?
05:31<jm_>Slydder: it's handled by the kernel, so check that side first
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07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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07:34<JustSoul>Hello
07:34<Tharos>hya
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07:36<JustSoul>Why when boot, /etc/rc2/S99SomeScript "mount" command doesn't work (nfs)? It say, that "server is down" (if IP) or "can't gety address for" (if name)?
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07:37<Tharos>cat /etc/rc2/S99SomeScript
07:37<Tharos>find the line with an unsual mount
07:37<Tharos>and see what it's trying to do :P
07:37<hypnotic>I am trying to make relative symlinks in konqueror but i cannot change it to relative in the symlink properties
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07:38<JustSoul>when booted this Script work's normal
07:38<jm_>JustSoul: perhaps your networking is not up at that time
07:38<jm_>put showmount -e ip to see what it says
07:38<jm_>put it in the script before mount that is
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07:40<JustSoul>jm_: At S99 ?
07:40<jm_>JustSoul: yes
07:40<jm_>JustSoul: put it in the same scipt
07:41<JustSoul>one moment
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07:41<JustSoul>whos ip? local or server?
07:41<jm_>servetr
07:42<JustSoul>rebooting...
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07:46<JustSoul>"mount clntupd_create: RPC: port mapper failure - RPC: unable to send"
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07:47<JustSoul>jm_: ?
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07:48<witte>JustSoul: portmap does not seem to be running
07:49<err404>JustSoul, you can try: exportfs -av
07:49<JustSoul>but portmap is S18 in the same dir
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07:50<jm_>JustSoul: hmm check if networking is fully up at that point - ping -c 1 serverip ; ifconfig ; rpcinfo -p serverip
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07:56<JustSoul>jm_: hmm.. ifconfig say, that it have ipv6 address, but we have dhcp with ipv4..
07:56<JustSoul>now it show normal ip..
07:57<jm_>JustSoul: so it looks like mount is being issued too soon
07:57<JustSoul>now=after boot
07:58<JustSoul>jm_: "ping -c 1 $server >> /var/log/!mylog" show's nothing
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07:59<jm_>JustSoul: how about 2>&1 and why !mylog?
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08:02<JustSoul>jm_: !mylog, for myself=). "2>&1" is add or replace?
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08:03<petemc>JustSoul: ! is for shell history - !mylog would cause the shell to try and find a previous command beginnign with mylog and run that
08:04<Todd>"You are not privileged to mount the ***",Why?
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08:05<Todd>I have put the /dev/hdb* into /etc/pmount.allow!
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08:06<JustSoul>petemc: ok, i'll correct it
08:06<bathost> /help
08:06<bathost>?
08:07<petemc>!ask
08:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:07<JustSoul>Where are dhcp-clients config?
08:07<petemc>JustSoul: /etc/dh<Tab><tab>
08:07<bathost>list #debian
08:09<bathost>who *
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08:09<bathost>who
08:09<JustSoul>bathost: do not forget "/"
08:10<bathost>many thanks
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08:12<JustSoul>hm.. On 2 PC I have such problem. mb it's dhcp problem..
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08:12<JustSoul>but after boot everything going ok..
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08:13<Todd>I have put the /dev/hdb* into /etc/pmount.allow!But when i double clicked the "D:" it showed me "You are not privileged to mount ",any help?
08:13<Todd>"D:" is a fat32 types of disk!
08:14<JustSoul>Todd: try to use fstab?
08:14<Todd>!fstab
08:14<dpkg>methinks fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
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08:15<JustSoul>(because I don't know what is pmount.allow =)
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08:17<gsimmons>Todd: pmount doesn't support globbing within /etc/pmount.allow at this time.
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08:18<Todd>yeah!
08:19<azer>#list
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08:27<Todd>gsimmons:so what can i do to fix this problem!
08:28<gsimmons>Todd: Don't use wildcards?
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08:29<Todd>I'm sorry but what's wildcards?
08:30<path>a nasty card
08:30<path>;P
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08:35<panagos>is there a tool to perform HEAD requests from web servers? or, is there a way to view the response header from a web server inside konqueror/iceweasel?
08:35<jm_>panagos: yes there is
08:35<themill>panagos: libwww-perl has the HEAD command. Additionally, tools like wget and curl can just do head requests.
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08:40<mehdid>panagos: telnet :)
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08:44<themill>netcat ftw
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09:00<LoLLo>http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM
09:01<bathost>I've a couple of questions about Iceweasel. (1) Is there some keypress that will allow exit from Iceweasel? (2) It can remember passwords but thereis a site where I want it to remember but it never asks if I want to do so for that site;; is there some way I can force it to ask?
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09:01<Zylvain>plop tlm
09:03<Tharos>bathost, have you configured iceweasel not to remember passwords for that site?
09:03<themill>bathost: Ctrl+Q quits iceweasel. If a site specifies that the browser shouldn't remember the passwd, then iceweasel will obey that.
09:03<bathost>Tharos: No!
09:03<Tharos>(i mean maybe once you clicked "never for this site" in the password remembering window)
09:04<Tharos>then it's probably what themill just said
09:04<jm_>bathost: ctrl-shift-w to exit it
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09:05<themill>bathost: have a look in the html for the FORM tag and for AUTOCOMPLETE='off'.
09:05<bathost>Tharos: I have to say that I cannot remember ever doing so.Themill: I never thought about a site forbidding the remembering? Is there some way to find if it is so?
09:06<themill>jm_: Ctrl+Shift+W is only close window. If you want to exit several windows, Ctrl+Q ftw.
09:06<jm_>themill: except it never works for me
09:06<themill>jm_: :(
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09:07<jm_>while ctrl-shift-w exits the window and if it's the last one also quits
09:07<themill>jm_: wm eating ^Q events perhaps?
09:07<[Disney]Goofy|B>hi all
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09:07<Tharos>ctrl + q doesn't work for me either
09:07<jm_>themill: naah, it works in opera or iceape
09:07<themill>bathost: Right click on the page -> View Source have a look in the html for the <FORM> tag and for AUTOCOMPLETE='off' within it.
09:07<jm_>themill: are you sure you didn't rebind it in some rc file?
09:07<[Disney]Goofy|B>can someone help me whith this: Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading...
09:07<[Disney]Goofy|B>Syntax error on line 282 of /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf:
09:07<[Disney]Goofy|B>DocumentRoot must be a directory
09:08<bathost>Nor me! But ^W does if its the last window
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09:08<themill>jm_: never that I can remember...
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09:08<jm_>themill: well see, it only works for you ;)
09:08<themill>:(
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09:09<jm_>I was really annoyed when I switched to firefox (from mozilla) over ctrl-q not working, but have been to lazy to rebind it for years now
09:09*themill is not sure whether to feel special or to go and sulk in the corner
09:10<bathost>Themill's no reason to sulk! He's helped me today.
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09:14<bathost>Themill: I nearly missed your suggestion about viewing source when I left to try an experiment. I'll try it later. Many thanks.
09:15<themill>np. good luck. If that's the case, then a greasemonkey script might solve it for you... but you're hitting desperation stakes by then
09:16<`Butthead>anyone know of a good ecommerces program I may get via apt?
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09:17<bathost>Today's my first day on irc and I'm finding that sometimes I have to be quick or else I miss something. If I leave the VC to try an experiment it restricts my scrollback. Is there some way around this?
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09:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>hello anyone have time to help me ?
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09:18<hathe|_>!ask
09:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:18<MayskiyJuk>What help do u need
09:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>i got this error message
09:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading...
09:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>Syntax error on line 282 of /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf:
09:18<[Disney]Goofy|B>DocumentRoot must be a directory
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09:19<themill>bathost: use a different/better irc client :)
09:19<jm_>wow found 48 page pdf that explains how to enable ctrl-q in firefox ;)
09:19<gsimmons>[Disney]Goofy|B: The error message you provided is self-explanatory. Examine line 282 of your configuration, amend it to point at a directory (or create the directory should it not exist).
09:19<themill>jm_: 48pp?? ffs.
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09:20<[Disney]Goofy|B>but the file is empty
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09:20<chandu>Hi
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09:21<bathost>Themill: I'm using ircii. Without wanting to start any wars, which is better?
09:21<gsimmons>[Disney]Goofy|B: The DocumentRoot? As stated, it has to be a directory, not a file.
09:21<chandu>I have bought a new memory and inserted in my system
09:21<themill>bathost: on the console, I believe irssi is popular.
09:21<jm_>bathost: alt-p alt-n in ircii
09:21<chandu>but the system is not booting
09:21<[Disney]Goofy|B>how u mean im new on debian
09:21<jm_>if pageup/pagedown doesn't work for you
09:22<chandu>Does the system needs memory of speficic model and speed
09:22<witte>bathost: i use rcirc-mode in emacs
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09:22<Tharos>chandu, no. do you see the system startup screen at least?
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09:22<chandu>Tharos, no
09:23<chandu>Tharos, green light itself wont appear in my system
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09:23<Tharos>then your problem has nothing to do with linux :P
09:24<bathost>Thanks for irssi and alt-p, alt-n. The latter only give a single line and I need context.
09:24<Tharos>are we talking about ram memory? how many memory slots does your computer have?
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09:25<gsimmons>[Disney]Goofy|B: What value do you currently have defined for DocumentRoot, in line 282 of your configuration?
09:25<bathost>jm_: pageup/pagedown don't work in the console. Perhaps I'd be better with a GUI
09:25<jm_>bathost: yeah it would work but you need to rebind it in ircii
09:25<jm_>bathost: it would work in irssi
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09:26<Tharos>bathost, try ctrl + pgup or shift + pgup
09:26<bathost>jm_: then irssi is the first port of call. I'll get it now. Thanks for the help.
09:27<[Disney]Goofy|B>gsimmons think i find the problem thes system renamed the old one when i change kernel the actual i empty and i see a old one
09:27<[Disney]Goofy|B>can i just rename it ?
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09:28<bathost>Tharos: shift+pageup is what I was trying but, as usual with scrollback, it only workis until a different VC has been selected.
09:29<Tharos>oh... you're right
09:30<gsimmons>[Disney]Goofy|B: I'm not sure what you are describing. Please answer my previous question.
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09:31<[Disney]Goofy|B>gsimmons the file was empty
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09:32<gsimmons>[Disney]Goofy|B: Are you referring to /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf?
09:32<[Disney]Goofy|B>yes
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09:33<gsimmons>[Disney]Goofy|B: That doesn't make sense. Apache is using that file for its configuration, resulting the error message you've previously provided.
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09:37<bathost>jm_: I've installed irssi where pageup and pagedown work o~k
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09:39<[Disney]Goofy|B>gsimmons u have right i found the problem thanks for u help
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09:50<riganta>hi guys, how can i find out what version of gnome I am using ?
09:50<Maulkin>dpkg -l gnome
09:50<dpkg>ii gnome 3.3-5.1 maulkin's private porn collection
09:51<Maulkin>(like that)
09:51<riganta>cheers
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09:53<riganta>Maulkins: i did "dpkg -l gnome" but in the version column I have nothing
09:54<Maulkin>Nothing? You mean a blank space?
09:55<riganta>no, not a blank space but something like null, void.... Sorry Maulking, it is written in a different language and i find it difficult to translate
09:55<Maulkin>try "dpkg -l gnome-core"
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09:56<Maulkin>Or tell us which version of Debian you're running :)
09:56<Pony>does debian apache 2.2 include Apache Module mod_authnz_ldap ?
09:56<riganta>testing
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09:57<gsimmons>Pony: It does.
09:58<riganta>I got a version now. It is 1:2.14.3.6 is it the latest one for testing??
09:58<Pony>gsimmons: compiled in?
09:58<Maulkin>riganta: that looks like stable
09:59<riganta>may be that is why I am getting the error message as follow "gdm[3409]:segfault at 000000080069df68 rip 000028e8fc4fd1f rsp 00007fff1df976b0 error 6"
10:00<riganta>But I dont understand as I downloaded the latest iso image on debian website and installed it on my box
10:01<riganta>So, shouldnt it have come with the latest gnome release in it for testing ?
10:01<gsimmons>Pony: No, as a module.
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10:01<Pony>gsimmons: what name does it have?
10:03<gsimmons>Pony: mod_authnz_ldap.so
10:03<Pony>gsimmons: and the debian package name?
10:03<gsimmons>!tell Pony -about search
10:03<Pony>gsimmons: found it
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10:04<riganta>Maulkin: should i try to upgrade to the newest version of gnome 2.18. That my correct my segment fault ??
10:04<witte>riganta: i have the same version for testing...
10:04<IRCMonkey>Hi, After a resume next to a 's2disk', generated by 'powersave', my computer freezes after a while. It is the same both with kernel and userspace methodes. Doing google with powersave s2disk and freez gives no interesting results. Have anyone got an idea?
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10:05<IRCMonkey>it is new. It didn't freez before
10:05<Maulkin>riganta: err... No...
10:06<Maulkin>riganta: your hardware may be broken.
10:06<riganta>wouldn't my system be unstable if that was the case?
10:07<riganta>or may be is it something specific to my architecture AMD64 ??
10:08<Maulkin>It is if you're getting segmentation faults
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10:10<prahal>anybody had success matching anything with any rule via hal fdi devices under debian ? I struggle
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10:11<Supaplex>fdi?
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10:12<prahal>oups not fdi device , fdi files /usr/share/hal/fdi/*/
10:12<Supaplex>no idea what fdi anything is
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10:13<prahal>those are used to add customized hal info to devices (thus for example my phone get recognized as a modem by networkmanager)
10:14<Supaplex>ahh
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10:18<esop>ahh yes, the fickle device indicator!
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10:25<riganta>Maulkin: I have just run a quick test on my HDD from the BIOS and the test came back negative for faults on my HDD. I don't know, though, if that test is worth anything !!
10:25<Maulkin>riganta: It's possibly not. Try memtest86
10:25<Supaplex>Maulkin: uhm harddisk test?
10:25<Maulkin>Supaplex: ?
10:26<Supaplex>memtest86 is for ram
10:26<Maulkin>Supaplex: yes, and? :)
10:26<Supaplex>he may as well use yahoo messenger to test "yet something else" with that logic :P
10:26<Maulkin>Supaplex: I think you're missing backlog...
10:27<Supaplex>maybe
10:27<Maulkin>Supaplex: I never suggested checking the HDD. I just said that hardware may be broken if segfaults are occuring :)
10:28<Maulkin>(and most likely to be an issue is ram...)
10:28<Supaplex>yup
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10:28<Supaplex>I see it now.
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10:39<LoLLo>http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM
10:41<noflash>LoLLo, please don't do that.
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10:47<padski>also ...
10:47<padski>!tell LoLLo about ubuntu
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10:53<kraut`>how can i check if there is somebody already working on package
10:53<Marou>hey, does anyone know how to disable recently used lists in gnome and gnome applications?
10:54<kraut`>... ona a deb package
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10:59<bluevapour>Hihi
10:59<bluevapour>Hey guys, im looking for something light that will give me a text based display of my system performance hdd info etc on the desktop?
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11:01<noble->bluevapour, try conky or gkrellm
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11:02<Maulkin>bluevapour: xosview?
11:02<Maulkin>kraut`: bugs.debian.org/wnpp
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11:02<Supaplex>xosview is x11 based, but it's very light.
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11:03<noble->conky is light isn't it? and text based
11:03<bluevapour>ill try them
11:04<Maulkin>mtop?
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11:04<alberto>hi
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11:06<kraut`>Maulkin thx
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11:28<valentin>hi! how can i connect to the #gnome irc-channel?
11:28<azeem>valentin: it's on irc.gimpnet.org
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11:29<valentin>thanks!!
11:29<azeem>valentin: actually, irc.gnome.org, probably
11:30<azeem>the network is called gimpnet
11:30<valentin>do you maybe know the port?
11:30<valentin>wich I must use?
11:32<valentin>o no, it was irc.freenode.net
11:32<valentin>yes. freenode works
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11:33<azeem>valentin: the official #gnome is on irc.gnome.org, not freenode
11:33<azeem>but *shrug*
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11:36<padski>program that writes down what you type, begins with s ...
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11:44<padski>... script
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11:44<padski>debilitating phenomena where you can't remember words, begins with t ... ;-)
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11:57<padski>I wonder if GNOME is named with reference to anomia ?
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12:08<Aleric>How can I mimix ldd again by calling ld.so directly?
12:08<Aleric>Hmm, set LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS I guess.
12:08<padski>/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh
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12:10<padski>Aleric, simply executing it get you usage. note that it is not directly executable on some *nix systems. i forget, security thing ?
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12:11<Aleric>I'm trying to run firefox in the exact same way as when run from inside a chroot, but then without entering the chroot.
12:12<Aleric>I want to do that because it works when I run it inside the chroot, but java doesn't work when I run it outside the chroot. I want to find out what is causing that.
12:12<padski>Aleric, huh ?
12:13<Aleric>padski: I have x86_64, and installed a 32-bit chroot. Inside the chroot I installed iceweasel as you'd normally do, including non-free plugins like java.
12:13<Aleric>Running iceweasel from inside the chroot works (of course, that is just debian)
12:14<Aleric>Now I want to run it without doing the chroot, thus, I just run: linux32 $CHROOT/path/firefox
12:14<Aleric>basically
12:14<Aleric>That works fine, except for java.
12:14<padski>Aleric, so you want to link against the 32-bit libs, but be rooted in the place
12:15<Aleric>After I ran it, I use /proc/PID/maps to see which shared libraries are loaded. The working case (inside the chroot) gives (lemme put that on a paste site)
12:15<Aleric>yes
12:16<padski>Aleric, I fancy you will want to do that in the enviroment. one of those LD_ ones
12:16<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/nCMDsw73.html
12:17<Aleric>When I run it outside the chroot, I have:
12:18<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/uc2Bxk48.html
12:18<Aleric>The diff of those two is:
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12:18<oriana>ciao
12:18<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/9XRoYb66.html
12:19<oriana> /msg OvF|M|BurnYourTV XDCC SEND #12
12:19<Aleric>padski: I would like to concentrate on the '+''s first ;)
12:20<Aleric>The one at the bottom (/usr/lib/locale/locale-archive) is a hardcoded path in libc, but it's not a problem (I think) because the files are the same.
12:20<Aleric>I don't know about the others.
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12:21<mrpouet>hi
12:21<Aleric>padski: I was trying to correct pango-basic-fc.so by setting PANGO_RC_FILE, but that resulted in error messages that different modules were trying to register the same function :/
12:21<Aleric>padski: Got any ideas what we can do here? :)
12:22<padski>Aleric, how are you getting it to load the libs from the croot
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12:22<Aleric>I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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12:23<Aleric>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt2/firefox-test-chroot/usr/lib/iceweasel:/opt2/firefox-test-chroot/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins:/opt2/firefox-test-chroot/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plu
12:23<Aleric>gins:/opt2/firefox-test-chroot/lib:/opt2/firefox-test-chroot/usr/lib:/opt2/firefox-test-chroot/usr/local/lib
12:24<Aleric>The environment is already made complete equal. Prior to invoking the final executable (firefox-bin), I dumped all environment variables, compared both cases and corrected the environment to be equal, although correcting paths for the chroot offset.
12:24<Aleric>Lemme give you the diff of the environment...
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12:25<oriana>ciao
12:25<oriana> /msg DivX|ITALIA|0005 XDCC SEND #10
12:26<Aleric>padski: http://rafb.net/p/wwpNLX14.html
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12:27<Aleric>padski: Still here?
12:28<padski>Aleric, yes. but I have no great ideas ...
12:28<Aleric>This is not a newbie problem, it's high-level hacking ;)
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12:28<padski>lol
12:29<madtux>Hi everybody! I have a small question on my Debian etch 4.0-r1
12:29<Aleric>The objective is to force that damn firefox to think it's running inside the chroot and THUS work.
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12:29<madtux>Question about ImageMagick
12:29<Aleric>padski: The main problem are hardcoded path's, of course - but also those paths that can be set in an environment have to be determined (which environment variables can be set?)
12:29<lwizardl>hi
12:30<valdyn>Aleric: why dont you just use debootstrap for this?
12:30<madtux>I do: composite -gravity SouthEast stamp.jpg image.jpg res.jpg
12:30<lwizardl>while using gnome is there anyway to auto use folder images like in windows folder.jpg
12:30<Aleric>valdyn: What does debootstrap have to do with this?
12:30<lwizardl>?
12:30<valdyn>Aleric: it creates a chrootable environment
12:30<madtux>And result Image stay with no changes
12:31<Aleric>valdyn: Please read what I said before, before commenting :/
12:31<valdyn>Aleric: your firefox chroot, without the hackery
12:31<valdyn>Aleric: ah, i see
12:31<madtux>Have somebody it working correct?
12:31<valdyn>Aleric: theres a tool for that too
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12:32<Aleric>valdyn: I'm writing a howto, this page describes how I set up the chroot: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/iceweasel32.html
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12:33<Tharos>madtux, no idea =/
12:33<valdyn>Aleric: it works like that already in debian/amd64
12:33<valdyn>Aleric: where you can install 32-bit libs and linkers
12:33<valdyn>Aleric: if i understand you correctly
12:33<Aleric>It doesn't describe how I'm hacking it now though... I'm running a script 'run' from /home/carlo/tmp with the this content: http://rafb.net/p/k085bz22.html
12:33<Aleric>valdyn: Yes, and that works fine, except java.
12:34<Aleric>So, in order to fine out WHY java doesn't work I want to move to a situation that DOES work and then make little changes until I find out what is the difference that makes it stop working.
12:34<valdyn>Aleric: doesnt java print why its failing to console?
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12:35<valdyn>Aleric: or the plugin even
12:35<Aleric>The only working case I have is inside the chroot. The next logical step is to run it outside the chroot but loading the EXACT same libraries.
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12:35<Aleric>No, it freezes, using 100% cpu
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12:35<valdyn>Aleric: strace ?
12:36<Aleric>I've done something like this before for the community that was using viavoice. That is an old speech recognition program that IBM stopped their support for; when linux evolved, the old application broke - and at one moment nobody could get it to run anymore...
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12:37<Aleric>So, I in the end I wrote this script for them to get it to work again: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/vvinstall2
12:37<Aleric>If you look at that, it should convince you that this doesn't have to be trivial :p
12:38<Aleric>valdyn: Yes, I have run strace too.. but the output is very very huge, even with -e=file :/
12:38<valdyn>Aleric: only the end matters..
12:38<valdyn>Aleric: or does it keep repeating over and over?
12:38<Aleric>I wrote a filter application to transform an strace output into a form that removes chroot/pid/pointer differences, but even then the resulting diff didn't give me any clues.
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12:42<vsayikiran>how should i configure a package like exim
12:42<Aleric>exim requires a lot of manual tweaking specific for what you want.
12:42<Aleric>You'll have to read its docs.
12:42<Aleric>However, there is a 'debian way' - look for it on Google.
12:43<vsayikiran>Aleric: please help me
12:43<Aleric>Sorry, I have no time to be distracted now :/
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12:43<vsayikiran>Aleric; i want to send a bug report to debin but unable to send it because of exim i unable to send
12:43<Aleric>I think I wrote something back when I configured exim4 - you should be able to find that somewhere in mailinglist archives.
12:44<vsayikiran>Aleric: atleast say which command is needed how to start config
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12:45<vsayikiran>can i run dpkg --configure exim
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12:45<vsayikiran>Aleric: you can help i just need 5 minutes time
12:46<Aleric>I can't remember
12:47<Aleric>I found an old post of me... but I suppose it won't help you anymore then make clear that it doesn't have to be trivial to configure exim: http://archives.devshed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6855184&postcount=3
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12:49<Aleric>Hmm, it seems mangled. The mention of '/' makes no sense.
12:49<Aleric>Anyway, it mentions running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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12:50<Aleric>Imho, you really have to read all the docs. Configuring an mta is NOT easy :(
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12:53<vsayikiran>Aleric: then tell me how should i send bug report that i have written
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12:54<halbkb>1. i install etch in /dev/hda3, telling it to install grub in /dev/hda3 when it asks. 2. i install winxp in /dev/hda1. 3. when i tell my mbr is to load /dev/hda3, i get a grub prompt!
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12:54<vsayikiran>Aleric: i wrote using reportbug package, but it couldnt send it because of exim
12:54<halbkb>has grub stored data in the zeroth cylinder for its own use?
12:54<student>hi, i have a touchscreen running Debian, is there anyway to shut it down rather than pulling the plug?
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12:55<halbkb>and what's the magic trick to boot etch again?
12:56<riganta>Maulkin: I just finished running the memtest. I created a bootable CD and ran the memtest83 3.4 It did pass the test. Couldn't find any error with my ram.
12:56<Aleric>vsayikiran: Basically, for the simple case of sending mails, you would run 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'
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12:57<vsayikiran>Aleric: i just need outgoing mails i dont need incoming mails, then which option should i chose from "mail configuration menu"
12:58<Aleric>vsayikiran: Does you ISP have a smart host?
12:58<Aleric>It should have one.
12:59<valdyn>vsayikiran: outgoing mails for who? just one user?
12:59<vsayikiran>Aleric: no idea , i am hearing about this for first time. is there any way to find it . basially i am behind a proxy server
13:00<Aleric>vsayikiran: A smart host is a mail server that will accept your outgoing mails and forward them for you.
13:00<vsayikiran>valdyn; i mean that mails should only be sent by my computer, but i shouldnt receive from outside
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13:00<valdyn>vsayikiran: yes, i understand that part, if it sends mails , for how many people is it supposed to send?
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13:01<vsayikiran>Aleric: well i will give my college IP address which is a mail server. 210.212.228.3
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13:01<valdyn>vsayikiran: your whatever smarthost will likely need authentication PER EACH mail address sent from, that is why i ask
13:01<Aleric>vsayikiran: use 'mail.nitc.ac.in'
13:02<vsayikiran>valdyn: to any number, i mean i want the mail to be sent to address i have mentioned in To: field
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13:02<student>Hi , can someone help me with my inquiry?
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13:02<valdyn>vsayikiran: i said from, not to
13:02<Aleric>vsayikiran: So, choose 'smarthost' as option and then use 'mail.nitc.ac.in' as smart host.
13:02<valdyn>Aleric: a public spam relay?
13:02<Aleric>dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost'
13:02<padski>!tell student about ask
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13:03<vsayikiran>Aleric: then what about AUTH as valdyn is saying
13:03<Aleric>valdyn: spam relay?
13:03<valdyn>Aleric: nm
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13:03<valdyn>vsayikiran: thats your university mail relay
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13:03<valdyn>vsayikiran: but i dont know if it needs auth or not
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13:04<vsayikiran>valdyn: yes its our university mail server
13:04<valdyn>vsayikiran: it probably will, anything else makes it a public spam relay
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13:04<valdyn>vsayikiran: or campus-only spam relay, but they're probably not that either
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13:04<Aleric>Nah, mail relays normally authenticate by IP#
13:04<vsayikiran>valdyn: i have a mail account in my university smth@mail.nitc.ac.in
13:04<valdyn>vsayikiran: ok, _one_
13:04<Aleric>That is, he should be behind the firewall there... or it won't work.
13:05<valdyn>vsayikiran: thats the amount of addresses you can send from then
13:05<Aleric>If you're at home, you can't use the mail server of the university. Then you should use the smarthost of your ISP
13:05<student>Im using a Debian on a Linux queueing touch screen ticket printer for Q-matic. is there a safe way to reboot it rather than hard reset button-it?
13:05<Aleric>[19:05] --- [vsayikiran] (~sayikiran@210.212.228.125) : purple
13:05<valdyn>vsayikiran: maybe ask again which part is not clear, i dont know it
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13:06<Aleric>I bet that 210.212.228.3 will accept him :p
13:06<vsayikiran>Aleric: yes that our colleges IP address
13:06<valdyn>Aleric: sure, probably, i dont know how his university does it
13:06<valdyn>Aleric: but that doesnt mean it knows what to do with replies
13:06<Aleric>vsayikiran: If you sent mail from 10.212.228.125, then mail.nitc.ac.in should be your smarthost.
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13:06<Aleric>s/10.212.228.125/210.212.228.125/
13:07<Aleric>I have to go buy food... bbl
13:07<vsayikiran>Aleric: 210.212.228.125 acts as firewall thing
13:07<vsayikiran>Aleric: have a nice dinner
13:07<valdyn>vsayikiran: you should do local delivery only, and use a suitable tool for your satelite box
13:07<valdyn>vsayikiran: imo, up to you surely
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13:08<vsayikiran>Aleric: in that smarthost thing there are two options, like received via SMTP or fetchmail and no local mail
13:08<vsayikiran>Aleric: which one should i choose
13:09<valdyn>vsayikiran: you said you dont want to recieve via exim
13:09<student>Sorry to repeat this question again.... Im using a Debian on a Linux queueing touch screen ticket printer for Q-matic. is there a safe way to reboot it rather than hard reset button-it?
13:09<vsayikiran>valdyn: yes
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13:09<valdyn>vsayikiran: that means you will get mail via fetchmail or some other means
13:10<vsayikiran>valdyn: please explain this "you should do local delivery only, and use a suitable tool for your satelite box"
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13:10<student>if anyone can help me pls do
13:10<student>Im using a Debian on a Linux queueing touch screen ticket printer for Q-matic. is there a safe way to reboot it rather than hard reset button-it?
13:11<vsayikiran>valdyn: to check my vsayikiran@mail.nitc.ac.in i just use mozilla firefox
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13:11<valdyn>vsayikiran: exim4 is built for systems that can either directly at as mail host for more than 1 accounts or use a smarthost for more than 1 account
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13:11<valdyn>vsayikiran: given that your system is probably only used by you and that you need to only send mail for just you, theres tools that are easier to deal with
13:12<valdyn>vsayikiran: BUT for _local_ mail, that is sent by debconf, or cron, you can leave exim4 set to do local mail only
13:12<vsayikiran>valdyn; ok tell i use and only use my system
13:13<valdyn>vsayikiran: your mua is which?
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13:13<valdyn>!mua
13:13<dpkg>rumour has it, mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program.
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13:13<vsayikiran>valdyn: basically i wrote one bug report in reportbug tool, i want send this report to debian
13:14<vsayikiran>valdyn: mutt is installed in my system
13:14<valdyn>vsayikiran: dpkg-reconfigure reportbug, set it to do the delivery by itself
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13:15<valdyn>vsayikiran: aha, i worried that might be the case, mutt is oldschool in that it needs an external mta like exim4
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13:15<vsayikiran>valdyn: but i am behind proxy server therefore reportbug is not able to resolve the IP of "bugs.debian.org"
13:16<padski>Aleric, setrpath
13:16<valdyn>vsayikiran: you are trying to say that you can only use http ?
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13:16<valdyn>vsayikiran: i.e. the web works but nothing else?
13:16<halbkb>sorry, the above description is wrong. someone did fuck-up knoppix commands in between.
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13:16<vsayikiran>valdyn: yes i can browse web i am chating with you now
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13:16<valdyn>vsayikiran: chatting with which tool?
13:16<vsayikiran>valdyn: pidgin
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13:17<valdyn>vsayikiran: hows pidgin connecting to irc?
13:17<vsayikiran>valdyn: i can connect my laptop to internet but through proxy server
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13:17<vsayikiran>valdyn; proxy server
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13:17<valdyn>vsayikiran: which proxy?
13:17<valdyn>vsayikiran: irc over http? how?
13:18<vsayikiran>valdyn: please explain what your are trying to tell
13:18<valdyn>vsayikiran: you connecting to irc and you only haveing an http proxy available does not match
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13:20<vsayikiran>valdyn: see its very simple i am staying in hostel provided by our university, we have installed a proxy server in our hostel server. now we are able to browse, chat or whatever through that proxy only
13:20<valdyn>vsayikiran: but you cant send mail thru that proxy..
13:20<vsayikiran>valdyn: the proxy server is connected to 210.212.228.125
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13:21<vsayikiran>valdyn; if i send mails in firefox why i cant i send it in exim
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13:23<vsayikiran>valdyn: what happened didnt you get what i am telling
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13:23<valdyn>vsayikiran: firefox does not send mail
13:23<valdyn>vsayikiran: firefox posts data to a remote webserver, that webserver sends a mail
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13:24<valdyn>vsayikiran: use reportbug just to save a text file, paste that file in firefox..
13:24<vsayikiran>valdyn: ok then my university hosts a mail server @210.212.228.3, so tell me how to config exim4
13:24<valdyn>vsayikiran: 210.212.228.3 as smarthost
13:25<vsayikiran>valdyn: and what more setting do i need please guide me
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13:26<vsayikiran>valdyn: if will paste the contents of that file in firefox and sent it to "bugs.debian.org" using my gmail account will it be accepted by debian people
13:26<valdyn>vsayikiran: sure
13:26<valdyn>vsayikiran: you may need to setup authentication in exim4, but maybe thats not required
13:27<vsayikiran>valdyn: ok no problem you just guide me step by step then i think i configure it properly
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13:27<valdyn>vsayikiran: just set the dns name of 210.212.228.3 as smarthost and try
13:27<valdyn>vsayikiran: i cant guid you step by step
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13:28<vsayikiran>valdyn: ok where i have to set that dns name
13:28<valdyn>vsayikiran: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" you will notice when you get asked to set the smarthost
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13:28<vsayikiran>valdyn: ok then i will try configuring that if i get any problem i will take your help
13:29<valdyn>19:06 < Aleric> vsayikiran: If you sent mail from 10.212.228.125, then mail.nitc.ac.in should be your smarthost.
13:29<vsayikiran>valdyn: mail.nitc.ac.in is same as 210.212.228.3
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13:30<valdyn>vsayikiran: one is a dns name, one is an ip address
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13:30<vsayikiran>valdyn: i mean mail.nitc.ac.in is dns name of 210.212.228.3 IP address
13:31<ths_>i would install a media server on my debian etch, but why? i have 5 pc's and 1 of the 5 is my debian webserver and i would install a media server or something like that on my debian, because on my debian are all my music tracks??
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13:32<vsayikiran>valdyn: now i am reconfiguring exim4, there are two options for smarthost which one should i chose
13:32<ths_>like a streaming server for my intern network
13:33<ths_>can someone tell me why?
13:34<vsayikiran>valdyn: ^^
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13:35<vsayikiran>Aleric: now i am reconfiguring exim4, there are two options for smarthost which one should i chose
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13:37<ths_>which streaming server is the best for debian?
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13:38<path>!lspci
13:38<dpkg>i heard lspci is a PCI utility to list all PCI devices. It requires kernel 2.1.82 or better. In the pciutils package, or see pciids, or ask me about <pciid>
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13:38<ths_>!media
13:38<dpkg>from memory, media is TP
13:38<ths_>!media-server
13:39<vsayikiran>valdyn: please help me, just for one moment
13:39<ths_>!streaming
13:39<dpkg>streaming is, like, This term is often used to describe technology that is capable of playing audio or video while it is still downloading. This saves you some waiting.
13:39<themill>yes, path, dpkg gives exactly the same answer both here and on freenode
13:39<ths_>!streaming-server
13:39<themill>!tell ths_ about search
13:39<azeem>themill: please /msg the bot
13:39<azeem>eh
13:39<azeem>ths_: please /msg the bot
13:40<themill>first two chars were write... that's close enough :)
13:40<path>themill, I was looking for a website which storages a db that tells you what is the proper module for your devices
13:40<themill>erm right
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13:40<themill>!tell path about hcl
13:40<ths_>azeem, do you know about streaming servers for debian?
13:40<themill>path: the kmuto site is probably the one you want
13:40<azeem>ths_: no
13:41<path>themill, thats it! thanks :D
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13:41<ths_>azeem, thx
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13:51*Aleric is back
13:51<azeem>Aleric: please turn that off
13:51<Aleric>Turn what off?
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13:51<azeem>noisy away
13:51<Aleric>I typed that
13:51<azeem>then don't type it
13:51<Aleric>Why not?
13:51<azeem>eh
13:52<azeem>it's noise
13:52<azeem>what do you think happens when every one of the 500+ people in here does that?
13:52<Aleric>Not really, there was someone here begging me to help him when I had to leave
13:52<azeem>300*
13:52<Aleric>I'm sure he'd be very happy to know I'm back if he was still waiting.
13:52<azeem>then address him
13:52<azeem>anyway
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13:52<Aleric>anyway you just scrolled a page of noise
13:53<azeem>you were argueing
13:53<Aleric>Well, unless you're an op I see no reason whatsoever to do what you tell me to do.
13:54<azeem>I don't see how being an op is important here
13:54<Aleric>And even then - I REALLY dislike moderated channels where the ops whine about a single line.
13:54<azeem>public away messages shouldn't be sent in this chan
13:54<Aleric>IT WASN'T AN AWAY MESSAGE
13:54<azeem>Aleric: dude, it was totally unobvious that you were talking to somebody, ok?
13:55<azeem>if you said "sorry, I was trying to send a message to $FOO" instead of argueing, we wouldn't have this conversation
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13:55<Aleric>fuck, I type something that resembles the text of an automatic script and you go nuts EVEN if I tell you that is was NOT an automatic thing
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14:04<noid>I just installed debian etch and "accidentally" changed my sources.list to lenny (i wanted to have both, but for some reason i just changed the lines that were there). Is there a way to go back?
14:05<azeem>noid: did you run apt-get upgrade?
14:05<azeem>noid: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" output?
14:05<noid>azeem: yes, of course i did that and dist-upgrade too, i couldn't leave it at that, could i? *sigh*
14:05<azeem>noid: then there's no way back
14:06<noid>azeem: that's what i thought... talk about a dense day, huh?
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14:07<noid>azeem: well, as I just installed, it won't be terrible to do it again
14:07<noid>azeem: thanks
14:07<craigevil>why not just run testing?
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14:07<Baggy2>In a makefile, is it possible to specify a include diroctory and all of its sundirs, or must I add all the subdirs as well?
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14:08<azeem>Baggy2: either works
14:08<Baggy2>sundirs=subdirs
14:08<bathost>I've been using the update-manager package without realising it was not one of the dpkg, apt family. It seems to ignore holds on packages and I wnodered if there was something akin to update-manager I could try instead.
14:08<azeem>Baggy2: eh, it depends on how the source looking for the headers, really
14:09<noid>craigevil: good question, but i want a stable system with just some bleeding edge packages
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14:09<azeem>bathost: maybe file a bug rather, if there is none already
14:09<craigevil>testing is more or less stable , not like trying to run sid
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14:09<Baggy2>azeem: that's weird, as I am having trouble using just the top dir, it only compiles when I add the sundirs as well :(
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14:10<Baggy2>Is there a compile option to enable search paths to all sundirs?
14:10<azeem>Baggy2: as I said, it depends on what's mentioned in the headers
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14:11<noid>craigevil: i'd rather stick with stable for a while hehe
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14:11<Baggy2>yes, and since it doesn't work just adding the top dir include dir, I guess the source strips the relative paths in all files
14:12<bathost>azeem: I concentrated on getting back to a working system and now I have several packages on hold but no detailed info for a bug report.
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14:27<jurg>Lenny-install dies on dhcp3-common :\
14:27<azeem>dies how?
14:27<jurg>It claims the conf-file was changed since install, any way to get past it?
14:27<jurg>Stops.
14:27<azeem>what exactly does it say?
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14:28<jurg>Nothing. It just stops. If i change to a syslogging terminal i get a normal "configuration file has been changed. What do you want todo?" bla bla bla... Wants me to choose what to do (keep it, install new one etc) but I cant choose anywhere.
14:29<azeem>ok
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14:29<azeem>see whether there's a bug filed already, and otherwise report it
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14:29<commanderkeen>uhh
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14:30<Aleric>spame
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14:30<craigevil>cool an ops paying attention thanks :)
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14:31<Aleric>Now that was noise.
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14:48<burgui>To upgrade to kde 4 from kde 3.5.x you must first remove the old version? in lenny of course
14:50<themill>burgui: there's no kde4 in lenny. /msg dpkg kde4
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14:55<badana>The MySQL error was: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2).
14:55<badana>why i have to recreate this socket everytime i reboot? :S
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14:58<themill>badana: that socket should be created by the mysql server when it starts up
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14:59<badana>then why it did not create it ? why it was lost after reboot?
14:59<burgui> /msg dpkg kde4
14:59<burgui>sorry :X
14:59<themill>badana: everything in /var/run is cleaned out every reboot
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15:00<badana>ok then how it is recreated automatically?
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15:01<nehomar>prueba
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15:05<bougi>hello. I am trying to compile Inkscape and it complains about glib-gettextize and says " Make sure it is in your PATH". I have glib installed but how can I find if glib is in my PATH? echo $PATH gives /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
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15:06<valdyn>bougi: you need at least libglib2.0-dev installed
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15:07<bougi>valdyn: yep you are right, it aint installed...
15:07<valdyn>bougi: and "/msg dpkg search" to help yourself next time
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15:08<bougi>valdyn: you mean the msg irc command ?
15:10<lontra>bougi: install apt-file and then run apt-file search <foo> for the file you need
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15:11<saman>badana: check the "socket" setting in /etc/mysql/my.conf
15:11<valdyn>bougi: yes
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15:29<panagos>is there an msn client (other that ms's) with support for shared folders?
15:29<Brudus>When I start up my computer I come up with a list of diffrent versions of the linux kernel. The first one is "Debian GNU/Kinux, Kernel 2.6.18-6-686". This one doesn't work. I think it has something to do with my video card because i keep getting error messages from xorg. The next option "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-5-686" does work just find. What kind of evil voodo is going on here.
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15:32<bzyk>Brudus: what kind of graphic card do u use?
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15:33<Brudus>It's an nVidia, sorry but I'm new to linux where can I find out exactly what I have.
15:34<bzyk>ok. probably you have a nvidia driver in xorg.conf... just type mc in konsole mode, then go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit it
15:34<bzyk>change nvidia module to nv
15:34<bzyk>this help you to start Xwindow
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15:45<Brudus>I'm sorry I don't think I understood your instructions. It says "mc" is not a command.
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15:46<themill>Brudus: you don't need to use mc to see the contents of a file.
15:46<badana>how i setup socket my.cnf?
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15:46<sasha>hi i have a problem with dpg , each time i install a programm it tells me E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) E: Failed to process build dependencies for nufw , latex209-bin and fftw-doc packages
15:46<sasha>any ideas
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15:48<themill>!tell sasha about bat
15:48<sasha>E: fftw3-doc: subprocess post-installation script returned ... any ideas ?
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15:51<themill>sasha: what version of fftw3-doc are you trying to install?
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15:52<sasha>3.1.2-1
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15:52<bzyk>Brudus: mc is a midnight commander. if you are not a console guru this will help you to work on text mode :)
15:52<bzyk>just install it by apt-get install mc
15:53<bzyk>it's like a norton commander in windows systems. very usefull tool
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15:53<Brudus>okay
15:55<sasha>themill , are you still here ?
15:55<themill>yes
15:56<sasha>wait just a min please i complete the paste bin request
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15:58<sasha>thermil : this is for the doc of fftw3 lib http://paste.debian.net/50427 , i v got the same problem for nufw and latex209-bin
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16:01<themill>sasha: your sources are pointing mainly to testing. Why are you trying to install the etch package for that package?
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16:05<sasha>i didnt knew it is the etch one , i simply think that it is not available in lenny no ?
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16:05<themill>check out packages.debian.org
16:05<sasha>thermill : it looks like it is only available in etch
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16:06<themill>sasha: it's replaced by libfftw3-doc in lenny
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16:08<sasha>thermill : thanks but that packages is not so important for me cause i already have a lot of doc about it and i link my prog against it in the directory of the binary program , but for nufw , i have exactly the same problem and that is more important , what can be the problem ?
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16:09<badana>why mysql socket is lost everytime i reboot my machine?!
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16:11<sasha>badana : what do you mean
16:11<badana>The MySQL error was: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
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16:11<badana>that's what i get everytime when i reboot.
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16:12<JohnBarleycorn>anyone care to answer a question about a creative x-fi soundcard on amd64?
16:12<sasha>badana : your purpose is to simply connect to your local databae or are you trying some more advance techniques
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16:13<badana>simply conect to local database
16:13<badana>it seems that everytime i reboot configuration is lost
16:13<badana>what is the correct way to connect through socket?
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16:13<sasha>mysql -u user -ppassword database
16:13<themill>sasha: your sources.list seems pretty odd. Simplifying it might make your life much easier. Getting rid of non-debian sources might also help with this. But I can't tell you more without the output of "apt-cache policy nufw" and the full output of "apt-get install nufw"
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16:14<badana>to create socket i mean
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16:15<badana>touch /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock solved the problem
16:15<badana>but do i have everytime to do that?
16:15<sasha>badana : sorry i have base knowledges about mysql , maybe check on the mysql forum it is often helpfull
16:15<themill>badana: no. And that doesn't correctly create the socket (a socket is not a file).
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16:15<badana>but just that made my drupal cms to work
16:16<badana>themill: what is the correct setup? can u give me some light? :)
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16:16<themill>badana: are you running etch? can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l \*mysql\*" for me?
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16:17<badana>yes etch
16:17<badana>just a min themill.thanks
16:18<badana>http://pastebin.com/d15d01521
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16:19<sasha>thermill : http://paste.debian.net/50433 for nufw
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16:19<staszek>Siemka
16:19<staszek>Hello
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16:20<WolF>I have problem with directx (opengl) on my Kubuntu 7.10
16:20<WolF>Can someone help me?
16:20<themill>!tell WolF about kubuntu
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16:21<WolF>Kububtu irc is empty...
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16:21<themill>WolF: not our problem. You could also try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
16:21<craigevil>WolF: then use #ubuntu on freenode
16:21<themill>WolF: *buntu are not debian and we cannot help you with them
16:22<WolF>okay, but #ubuntu chanell is empty too :|
16:22<badana>themill: i sent pastbin
16:22<badana>wolf probably you are at wrong network
16:22<themill>WolF: on irc.freenode.net (i.e. *not* on this server)
16:22<badana>go at ubuntu page to search appropriate irc network
16:22<themill>badana: what's the url of the pastebin?
16:23<WolF>Okay, thx anyway. See u.
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16:24<badana> http://www.linode.com/contacts.cfm
16:24<badana>ups wrong
16:24<badana>wait
16:24<badana>http://pastebin.com/d15d01521
16:24<badana>this one
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16:26<badana>is it ok?
16:27<themill>badana: that all looks fine. Did you edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf since installation?
16:28<badana>something i changed i think. i dont remember. i have some references about the scket in this file and also some at debian.cnf
16:28<badana>what's the role of debian.cnf/
16:28<badana>i will pastebin my cnf files
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16:30<badana>have a look here http://pastebin.com/d441adbca
16:30<themill>sasha: is your disk full?
16:30<themill>bah
16:32<badana>themill what do u think?
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16:32<saltatempo>hi you all
16:33<themill>badana: that all looks fine. mysql daemon will create the socket when you start it
16:33<badana>it doesnt :'(
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16:33<badana>i have to touch it manually
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16:34<badana>i will check /etc/init.d/mysql.server
16:35<badana>what's the difference between debian.cnf and my.cnf?
16:35<themill>badana: what's the output of "ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock"
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16:36<themill>badana: the debian.cnf file is an administrative setup file that allows you to run database checks and backups from cron jobs
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16:39<badana>srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 Mar 3 23:14 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
16:39<badana>but i created manually with "touch"
16:40<themill>badana: ok, so mysqld has recreated the socket. The file you created with touch would look rather different to that.
16:41<badana>i just created an empty file
16:41<badana>but it is ok for drupal to work. the problem is that i do it manually
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16:42<badana>u mean it recreated socket after i manually touched the file?
16:42<saltatempo>hi you all
16:43<badana>themill: i reat at some forum. they say to try to copy my.cnf to my.cnf.backup for example so that mycnf is recreated
16:43<badana>i dont know
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16:44<badana>[client]
16:44<badana>port = 3306
16:44<badana>socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
16:45<badana>this is enough at my.cnf?
16:45<saltatempo>how can i find an italian channel? sorry if i bug oyu
16:45<themill>!it
16:45<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
16:45<themill>badana: you could get the debian package to recreate the my.cnf for you.
16:46<themill>!tell badana about confmiss
16:47<badana> apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql?
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16:49<saltatempo>grazie dpkg
16:49<saltatempo>see u
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16:50<EmleyMoor>How can I run Google Earth on Debian? It gets a signal 11 and claims it can't access the graphics card when I try
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16:51<EmleyMoor>Ah - there's something that might help...
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16:51<witte>EmleyMoor: did you use the debian google-earth-package
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16:51<EmleyMoor>witte: No but I am about to try that
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16:53<EmleyMoor>OK - I've installed it but it obviously needs me to take further action
16:54<EmleyMoor>... what do I do with it?
16:55<witte>EmleyMoor: /usr/share/doc/google-earth-package/README.Debian is normally a good start
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16:57<EmleyMoor>It 404s if I try it bare and doesn't recognise the version of my file
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16:59<EmleyMoor>Should I be root, or fakeroot, to use make-googleearth-package?
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16:59<EmleyMoor>Is it known to work with a particular version?
16:59<witte>EmleyMoor: mmm, its /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package/README.Debian
16:59<EmleyMoor>I've read thsat
16:59<EmleyMoor>that
16:59<witte>EmleyMoor: and i don't think you need to be root to do that i believe (i don't have it installed myself)
17:00<EmleyMoor>I believe it just plain doesn't work at the moment
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17:00<EmleyMoor>If I --force --file the one I have it spews lots of errors
17:00<EmleyMoor>If I don't --force it, it refuses
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17:00<EmleyMoor>If I don't point it to my file, it 404s
17:00<witte>EmleyMoor: which debian are you using
17:00<EmleyMoor>etch
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17:01<witte>EmleyMoor: i am trying to install it, but it takes quite some time, i have a slow line here :-)
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17:02<EmleyMoor>Ah - getting somewhere
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17:03<EmleyMoor>Getting lots of dpkg-dhlibdeps warnings now
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17:05<EmleyMoor>Where has it put its result?
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17:05<witte>EmleyMoor: mmm, seems not to work on a unstable amd64 :-)
17:06<witte>EmleyMoor: it closed X and started X on ctrl-alt-F8?
17:06<EmleyMoor>No
17:06<RParade>hey guys, i can't connect to any servers on neverwinter nights.. i'm running debian etch (amd64), any ideas?
17:06<witte>EmleyMoor: but it compiled very nicely :-)
17:06<RParade>first time i've encountered this problem, it just says my playername has been refused by the server
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17:06*EmleyMoor cannot find its result
17:06<RParade>game works fine aside from that
17:07<azeem>EmleyMoor: look in the parent directory, maybe
17:07<witte>EmleyMoor: the result from make-googleearth-package is the .deb in the current directory (normally)
17:08<EmleyMoor>There appears to be no deb
17:08<EmleyMoor>It appears not to be generating anything
17:08<EmleyMoor>(or rather, only generating it straight into /dev/null)
17:08<azeem>then probably there was an error
17:08<EmleyMoor>s/probably//
17:09<azeem>EmleyMoor: so pastebin the output
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17:09<EmleyMoor>It's so far out of date in etch, that can't help
17:09<azeem>huh?
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17:09<EmleyMoor>0.0.4, not 0.5.anything
17:09<azeem>pastebin the output of whatever you just ran
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17:10<EmleyMoor>Where's the recommended pastebin these days?
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17:10<witte>!paste
17:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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17:13<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/50446
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17:15<dargus>is there a channel dedicated to Samba on Debian?
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17:18<EmleyMoor>Any clue as to what make-googleearth-package is actually doing?
17:18<azeem>#
17:18<azeem>dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `/home/phil/googleearth-deb/DEBIAN/control' near line 10 package `googleearth':
17:18<azeem>EmleyMoor: it's failing
17:18<azeem># empty value for version
17:18<azeem>but doesn't figure it out itself
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17:19<azeem>probably beacuse of the
17:19<azeem>Unrecognized Google Earth version; using anyway (because of --force).
17:19<EmleyMoor>Yes - so is it fixable?
17:19<azeem>dunno
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17:35<kurumin>google
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18:02<Aleric>How can I see/list an rpath of some object file?
18:04<azeem>objdump, probably
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18:05<Aleric>man objdump doesn't mention rpath though
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18:08<Aleric>'k, I found something on the net: If you want to see the RPATH that is compiled into a binary, you can use the program "objdump" - specificially "objdump -p <program> | grep RPATH" will show you the RPATH if it is defined. This is a fairly uncommon thing to do so there is a good chance you won't find RPATH defined on system binaries in your linux system.
18:08<Aleric>Thanks for the keyword, azeem.
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18:08<JohnBarleycorn>some help with a Creative X-Fi and OSS?
18:09<JohnBarleycorn>i downloaded the .deb and installed, how to configure?
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18:14<Aleric>Ok, no rpath's... then I suppose I need to disable the use of /etc/ld.so.cache
18:14<Aleric>How can I tell ld.so not to use that?
18:15<azeem>Aleric: what is the underlying problem?
18:16<Aleric>Rather complex :/
18:16<Aleric>Basically, I'm trying to be able to compare the output of two strace runs.
18:17<Aleric>One of the runs does:
18:17<Aleric>-PID1 open("/lib/tls/i686/sse2/cmov/libplc4.so.0d", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
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18:17<Aleric>Ie, it searches /lib/tls/i686/sse2/cmov
18:17<Aleric>I want it not to.
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18:19<azeem>you'll have to remove libc6-i686 for that I guess
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18:19<Aleric>There is something very very weird here anyway :/ ... I want this to be the same bit by bit, but even while there is NOTHING different (yet), it already swaps a read() with a mmap2(),... lemme put the diff on a paste site...
18:20<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/dLjuNa55.html
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18:21<Aleric>Note line 33 and 40
18:21<Aleric>I don't understand how that could happen in the first place :/
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18:22<azeem>Aleric: this is low-level wizardry, anything could happen
18:22<Annirak>I have a router installation running 2.6.22 and a simple iptables NAT on a PIII 733. The user of this NAT is complaining that when he bypasses the NAT, he gets 4.8Mbps, while he only gets 2.4Mbps through the NAT. For the purposes of the test, he removed both the NAT and one terminal from the LAN and connected them directly together. What can I do to reduce the bottleneck?
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18:23<Aleric>But.. the environment is the same (except for an offset in some PATH's; the difference of 21 vars against 23 vars is not significant if you look at the actual environment). I run in both cases the same executable, using the same personality (linux32) and the same ld.so. So, EVERYTHING is 100% the same :/ .. .how can it do something else?
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18:24<globalaccess>hii
18:24<globalaccess>:D
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18:26<Aleric>But well.. it trying to read from /lib/tls/i686/sse2/cmov/ also comes from nowhere: it didn't try to open /etc/ld.so.cache yet even. Where does that path come from??
18:27<azeem>it's likely hardcoded
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18:27<spq>what could be the problem, i can not have a higher mtu than 500 else ssh and other services sometimes hang, what could be the problem?
18:27<Aleric>Then it should be reading it in both cases.
18:27<azeem>Aleric: read the glibc startup code :P
18:27<gsimmons>JohnBarleycorn: Sorry, which .deb file did you download?
18:27<azeem>Aleric: maybe the other glibc isn't TLS-enabled
18:28<Aleric>Both run the same executable...
18:28<azeem>glibc, not the executable
18:28<Aleric>Both use the same glibs - what would determine if TLS is enabled?
18:28<Aleric>s/glibs/glibc/
18:28<azeem>the presence of the libc6-i686 package
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18:29<azeem>and the absence of the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4 env variable
18:29<fenix>oi
18:29<Aleric>But you see the strace output... where does it determine that?
18:29<fenix>quer
18:29<azeem>determine what?
18:29<azeem>!br
18:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:29<Aleric>Whether or not libc6-i686 is present
18:29<fenix> eu n falo ingles
18:30<azeem>fenix: then go to #debian-br
18:30<fenix>oi
18:30<fenix>tudo bem?
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18:30<azeem>Aleric: I don't know, it's likely wizardry, as I said above
18:31<azeem>maybe I'm totally wrong dunno
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18:31<azeem>Aleric: where both executables built in the same environment on the same box?
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18:33<nichos>Hi all, im getting an error every few seconds in my terminal. I've pasted the error here: http://rafb.net/p/Z7l8dU38.html I have only 1 ATA device (my main HD, operating fine, afaik)
18:33<nichos>any ideas?
18:33<mymedia>hi. any german debian pro here?
18:33<azeem>!de
18:33<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
18:34<azeem>nichos: how old is the harddrive
18:34<nichos>azeem about 5 months
18:34<Aleric>nichos: make a back asap
18:34<Aleric>then come back :p
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18:34<nichos>azeem according to 'mount' the drive is on sda1
18:35<Aleric>nichos: make a backUP asap
18:35<nichos>as far as I know, I don't have an ata6
18:35<nichos>I still have my back up (from my old drive:)
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18:36<Aleric>You can try disabling ata6 on the kernel commandline
18:36<Aleric>Tell the kernel to not probe or look at ata6 at all.
18:36<nichos>Aleric what would it be? and why would it be trying to read/touch ata6?
18:36<Aleric>No idea :/
18:36<nichos>ataX would be SATA only, right? it wouldn't be a usb disk or something?
18:36<Aleric>I got a lot of errors like it when I boot - but they stop as soon as the booting is done and everything works fine.
18:37<nichos>Aleric this makes the console unusable. i had to startx to bitchx:D
18:37<Aleric>I don't know how to disable it - I'm sure you can find out though.
18:37<Aleric>It's definitely possible
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18:40<Chris__>hello
18:40<Chris__>is this the right time / place to ask a question ?
18:40<azeem>yes
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18:41<Chris__>i was trying to install debian on a new machine i built , but it fails to detect the CD ROM (even though it boots fine).
18:41<Chris__>it is a DVD+/-RW
18:41<Chris__>using SATA
18:41<Chris__>LG is the brand
18:41<azeem>Chris__: is this for a server or a desktop?
18:41<Chris__>you mean the install of debian i used or are you saking my purpose in using the computer itself ?
18:42*weasel would just install using tftp
18:42<azeem>the latter?
18:42<azeem>s/?//
18:42<Chris__>nice way of saying nix the ?
18:42<Chris__>:)
18:42<Chris__>so yea. desktop
18:42<Chris__>does it matter ?
18:43<Chris__>i mean how i use the computer doesn't really affect if the cd works or not
18:43<Chris__>i mean it could be either really
18:43<Chris__>(desktop or server)
18:43<azeem>if you don't want to do something fancy like what weasel suggested, you can wait for the Lenny beta1 installer which should be out in a few days
18:43<azeem>which should support your SATA chipset
18:43<weasel>or you could try installing from USB.
18:44<Chris__>hmm
18:44<blarson>Chris__: or you could try the install disk with backported kernel.
18:44<Chris__>so it is a problem of the SATA being new and not supported yet you think
18:44<nichos>azeem Aleric thanks for the help guys
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18:44<Chris__>i have to eat dinner now.
18:45<Chris__>i'll come back later i guess
18:45<Chris__>if i install from USb will my CD drive work though ?
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18:45<Aleric>Hmm, I only have ata5: soft resetting port twice in the logs of last month.
18:45<Aleric>twice ata5 :/
18:45<Chris__>bbl...
18:46*Aleric gives ata5 an extra cookie and some warm milk.
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18:48<arizalord>hi.... i'm without gnome panels!!.. somebody knows how i can add new panels? pls!! help me!!
18:48<weasel>oh noes? the gnomes are on strike?
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18:48<Aleric>azeem: I suppose I could compile glibc myself and debug it - but it sucks a bit as glibs refuses to compile without optimization. That seems ridiculous for most of the source files, but I don't know which files require optimization to work.
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18:48<azeem>other people don't need an unoptimized glibc to debug it
18:48<arizalord>yes... gnome is running but without panels!
18:49<JohnBarleycorn>sorry gsimmons..had to take the garbage out.... I downloaded oss-linux_v4.0-1014_amd64.deb..syste, is amd64
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18:49<Aleric>Normally I compile glibc, then debug it - and once I know which source file I need to debug line by line, I recompile that file without -O (that normally works FINE).
18:49<azeem>ok then
18:50<azeem>you're one of the two people I know who actually debug glibc then
18:50<arizalord>weasel, do you know?
18:50<Aleric>Heh, the only thing I didn't step through with gdb yet is the kernel itself :p Although that can be done too I understood.
18:51<azeem>arizalord: what did you change?
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18:51<Aleric>I even stepped though the window manager, while the developers said that was not possible... you just need a second X server and two monitors though.
18:51<Aleric>:)
18:52<arizalord>nothing.... ubuntu was starting... then panels crashes!... and it doesn't appear anymore!
18:52<weasel>ah
18:52<weasel>perfect
18:52<weasel>now I know.
18:52<weasel>"you are wrong here".
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18:52<weasel>!ubuntu
18:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:53<gsimmons>JohnBarleycorn: Ah, you downloaded the OSS driver package from opensound.com. I'm pretty sure these won't enable use of your card.
18:53<gsimmons>!tell JohnBarleycorn -about x-fi
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18:55<arizalord>how can i fix my ubuntu?
18:55<azeem>arizalord: ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net, please
18:55<azeem>arizalord: ubuntu is off-topic here
18:55<arizalord>ok...
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18:56<JohnBarleycorn>gsimmons: when i try to run the creative install it gives me "This product only supports 64-bit Operating Systems." I am running
18:56<JohnBarleycorn># OSS v4.0 build 1014 for Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD and UnixWare announced.
18:56<JohnBarleycorn> * Beta support for Creative Labs XFi announced. Including source code for the SB XFi has been released.
18:56<JohnBarleycorn> * MAudio Delta and Revolution serires pro audio drivers have now been open sourced.
18:56<JohnBarleycorn>crap....
18:57<JohnBarleycorn>Linux linuxbox 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux is what I'm running...
18:59<fabio>ping
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19:01<fabio>anyone there still alive ?
19:02<DuKKoN>hi, anyone speak spanish?
19:02<azeem>!es
19:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:02<azeem>!ask
19:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:02<azeem>fabio: ^^
19:02<DuKKoN>thanks
19:03<fabio>i was wondering about reiserfs
19:03<sutula>!ask
19:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:03<fabio>i'm asking
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19:04<qq__>what ?
19:04<fabio>i'm using ext3 because debian etc hwas slow with reiserfs 3
19:04<JohnBarleycorn>gsimmons: you telling me it ain't gonna work? or do i just need to change kernal or?
19:07<dondelelcaro>fabio: well, odds are you don't want to use reiserfs unless you've got good backups.
19:07<fabio>reiserfs is faster i think
19:07<fabio>even using data writeback with ext3
19:07<dondelelcaro>depends on what operations you're doing with the filesystem
19:08<fabio>it's a laptop
19:08<dondelelcaro>fabio: your drive is going to be the limiting agent way before the filesystem is
19:08<dondelelcaro>I wouldn't even wory about it
19:08<fabio>yes i suppose so
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19:09<fabio>do you know about commit interval ?
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19:10<dondelelcaro>best to just ask your question
19:10<fabio>kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds (from dmsg)
19:10<fabio>dmesg*
19:10<fabio>but in my case it shuold be 100
19:11<fabio>due to the settings in fstab and menu.lst
19:11<fabio>But i read it's still the default value... which is slower
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19:17<DuKKoN>exist a repository from apache for ubuntu?
19:18<lontra>DuKKoN: what?
19:18<azeem>DuKKoN: please ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
19:18<DuKKoN>thanks
19:18<fabio>yes
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19:18<fabio>they say ubuntu is more updated, but it's not true
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19:30<JohnBarleycorn>how does one install the full kernel sources for 2.6.18-6-amd64
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19:30<dvs>JohnBarleycorn: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18-6
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19:34<JohnBarleycorn>dvs: nope get a can't find package message, should not amd64 be in the package name?
19:34<gsimmons>JohnBarleycorn: It's actually 'linux-source-2.6.18'. You may only need the kernel header files in most instances however.
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19:34<dvs>JohnBarleycorn: The source is the same for all architectures
19:35<JohnBarleycorn>thank you
19:35<JohnBarleycorn>guess i was being too specific
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19:45<JohnBarleycorn>if a ./configure is returning that it can;t find a file that is there in the correct location, how do you get aournd the error?
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19:48<dvs>!wayttd JohnBarleycorn
19:48<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, JohnBarleycorn?
19:50<JohnBarleycorn>setup alsa for a x-fi card, when running the config it gives a error, cannot find version.h, i use the --with-kernel/path... it still gives me the error, but the version.h file is there
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20:00<Sardo73>ciao...
20:00<Sardo73>ci sono persone italiane qui??
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20:02<Knorrie>!it
20:02<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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20:08<engywuck>hi
20:09<engywuck>I'm in the process of installing debian on my lil' EEE ;-)
20:09<engywuck>what does LVM encryption do?
20:09<engywuck>and is it safe (enough)?
20:09<lontra>engywuck: i was suppose to have one by now ... but it's still on back order :(
20:09<engywuck>(using a secure password/phrase of course)?
20:10<engywuck>i also take weblinks :)
20:10<engywuck>well, lontra, I went to my local dealer two weeks ago
20:10<engywuck>last wednesday he called: if I would be there before evening I could get one :)
20:11<lontra>nice
20:11<engywuck>well, he made a joke about only having pink ones left...
20:13<lontra>O_o
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20:14<engywuck>I would have gled a little pigtail on ;-)
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20:18<raulslacker>sampo la vergota
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20:20<engywuck>hmmm....
20:20<engywuck>swap on a 4 gig SSD? No?
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20:23<tyi>hi all, i have snmpd installed on 3 servers, 2 of them can talk to each other fine, but the last one won't allow the other two to snmpwalk it
20:23<tyi>however it can snmpwalk itself with its own IP.
20:23<tyi>any ideas?
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20:25<hw>tyi, maybe snmpd doens't listen on other interfaces than lo0 ?
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20:29<tyi>hmmm not too sure.
20:29<tyi>cause the 2 box that works are both debian.
20:29<tyi>and the one thats not working is a fedora box
20:30<tyi>*scratches head*
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20:31<octothorp88>does anyone know how to restrict exim4 not to send local mail through a defined smarthost?
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20:33<hw>tyi, ok, try « netstat -l » on your fedora box, it will list which daemon are listening on which port »
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20:35<hw>tyi, if you get something like « localhost:snmp » this is bad ! You want something like « *:snmp ».
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20:35<Chris__>..
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20:35<tyi>i did netstat -l | grep snmp
20:36<tyi>output was:
20:36<tyi>udp 0 0 *:snmp *:*
20:36<hw>ok :/
20:36<tyi>gay lol
20:37<tyi>is not like i have a fw ont he fedora box or anything
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20:38<LostPlanet>i asked earlier about a problem where i couldn't install because the install program did not detect my CD-ROM which is a LG brand DVD +/- RW that connects to my mother board using SATA
20:38<LostPlanet>one suggestion installing from USB... was wondering if this worked would that mean i would not be able to use the CD ROM at all or would it work just fine ?
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20:45<LostPlanet>anyone home ?
20:47*LostPlanet thinking
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20:48<chealer>LostPlanet: most likely you'll be able to use the drive, although probably not by default
20:49<LostPlanet>ok
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20:58<hatter>what reasons could something in crontab not run when the script runs from the command line ?
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21:00<hw>hatter, permissions to execute ?
21:00<johns>hatter: not supplying the full path, often
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21:01<hatter>anything in cron runs as root doesnt it ?
21:02<hatter>the path is correct, if i copy it from the crontab and paste onto command line it works fine
21:02<hatter>its a one line thing, executing the burner to write data,
21:02<path>!
21:02<dondelelcaro>hatter: depends on which crontab and what it is.
21:02<johns>hatter: what is the command?
21:02<hatter>crontab -e
21:03<dondelelcaro>hatter: whose crontab -e?
21:03<dondelelcaro>hatter: also, root's path may very well be different from the PATH set by cron.
21:04<dondelelcaro>(man 5 crontab if you're confused)
21:04<hatter>Johns, growisofs -Z /dev/hdd -R -J /shared/
21:04<hatter>dondelelcaro, crontab -e as root user
21:04<johns>hatter: try /usr/bin/growisofs or whatever the appropriate path is
21:04<hatter>Johns, ok
21:04<dondelelcaro>hatter: then that should work. What does the mail that you receive say? What's the entire crontab line?
21:06<hatter>dondelelcaro, 50 17 * * * /notes/backup.sh
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21:09<dondelelcaro>uh...
21:09<dondelelcaro>hatter: then the command you're running is *NOT* growisofs, but /notes/backup.sh
21:09*johns feels duped
21:09<hatter>syslog just showed 'Mar 4 13:09:01 desktop /USR?SBIN?CRON[10035]: (root) CMD (/notes/backup.sh)
21:10<hatter>but script didnt run
21:10<dondelelcaro>hatter: yes, so whatever /notes/backup.sh is, it's being run (or attempted to be run) by cron
21:10<dondelelcaro>do you actually have a /notes directory?
21:10<dondelelcaro>(if you do, that's kind of odd)
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21:12<hatter>dondelelcaro, yes, /notes/backup.sh is '#!/bin/sh /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /home/sharedrc
21:13<hatter>if i execuuuuuuuuuuuute ./backup.sh from command line it runs fune
21:13<hatter>'fine'
21:13<dondelelcaro>hatter: what does 'stat /notes/backup.sh;' output?
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21:13<dondelelcaro>also, how do you know that it's not running?
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21:14<hatter>dondelelcaro, when it runs it starts burning to the dvd
21:14<hatter>which part of the output of stat are we interested in ?
21:15<dondelelcaro>the whole thing
21:15<dondelelcaro>basically, I'm trying to verify that it really is /notes, and that it's executable.
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21:16<dondelelcaro>hatter: you also should have a working MTA on that system, and you should receive output from cron which should tell you if that script worked or not (since growisofs produces copious amounts of output)
21:16<hatter>dondelelcaro, www.pastebin.ca/927196
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21:16<hatter>cron mails output by default ?
21:17<dondelelcaro>hatter: yes.
21:17<dondelelcaro>hatter: ok, first and formost: you realize that this is a local root exploit waiting to happen, right?
21:17<dondelelcaro>hatter: you've allowed any user to modify a script that root runs.
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21:18<hatter>dondelelcaro, no i wasnt aware
21:18<hatter>dondelelcaro, the permissions on it are 700
21:18<dondelelcaro>hatter: Access: (0777/-rwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
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21:19<hatter>dondelelcaro, oh, i see, i just did that temporarily to see if it was a perms problem
21:19<hatter>its now 700 again
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21:24<hatter>if i put the growisofs command line in cron, the dvd spins up for a few seconds, then stops
21:24<hatter>and the command line appears in syslog
21:26<hatter>now a few seconds later the dvd has start sipnning, no light on, and hasnt stopped spinning, but is not writing
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21:26<hatter>now its stopped spinning
21:28<hw>hatter, try adding "-use-the-force-luke=tty"
21:29<hw>(as seen on http://www.eracc.com/unixlinux/growisofs_backups.html )
21:29<hatter>lol
21:30<hw>i think this is because growisofs is looking for an interactive terminal
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21:32<hatter>hw, thx I am reading that page now
21:33<hatter>dondelelcaro, thx also
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21:40<hw>np
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21:52<rav>hello. How can I fix packages that show as 'partially installed' in the list of aptitude?
21:52<jcdollesin>hi
21:53<jcdollesin>what distro are u using?
21:53<rav>debian lenny
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21:54<jcdollesin>go to synaptic packare manager and re-installed the software
21:54<jcdollesin>any Filipi here
21:54<jcdollesin>any Filipino
21:54<rav>i tried using apt-get --reinstall, but didn't help
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21:56<qq>apt-get install -f
21:56<jcdollesin>how about apt-get update
21:56*hw votes for apt-get install -f
21:56<dondelelcaro>rav: what did apt-get --reinstall install foopkg; say?
21:56<dondelelcaro>-f doesn't do what you think it does.
21:57<hw>mmm you are write, it fixes only broken dependaces :(
21:57<rav>i've traced down the problem to 3 packages, all the rest depend on these 3. apt-get says that those 3 packages aren't configured, and thus can't configure the rest
21:57<dondelelcaro>rav: so dpkg --reconfigure -a; and if it fails, give us the output.
21:58<dondelelcaro>err, dpkg --configure -a;
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21:58<jcdollesin>apt-get remove 'package-names'
22:00<rav>dondelelcaro: i tried that, even with each of the 3 busted packages. it says it can't execute the post install scripts on those packages
22:00<dondelelcaro>randomly removing packages isn't going to help much either; if there's a problem with the configuration scripts, you just fix them.
22:00<dondelelcaro>rav: so follow my next step: "give us the output"
22:01<rav>dondelelcaro: unfortunately, i don't have that laptop here, it's my uncle's. I was thinking about uninstalling those packages and reinstalling, but due to dependencies it wants to uninstall all kde
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22:02<rav>is there a way to remove a single package, withouth having to reinstall everything?
22:04<jcdollesin>apt-get remove package-names
22:05<qq>apt-get install package-names-
22:05<dondelelcaro>ugh. no
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22:06<dondelelcaro>rav: well, what you'll have to do is once you get ahold of it show us the output, and we can help you fix it
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22:06<dondelelcaro>since you don't have access to the laptop now, it not working isn't much of a problem.
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22:09<rav>dondelelcaro: if dpkg --configure doesn't fix it, is there something else to do?
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22:11<dondelelcaro>rav: dpkg --configure won't fix it, it'll just tell you what the problem is.
22:11<dondelelcaro>rav: once you know what the problem is, you add debugging output to whatever postinst is failing, and solve the problem.
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22:14<rav>dondelelcaro: Ah. What happened is that the laptop hanged in the middle of the install. The packages are probably badly broken, but the system lists them as installed
22:15<dondelelcaro>rav: well, then by seeing what's going on with the packages that are failing their postinst, you can reinstall whatever else is needed.
22:16<rav>dondelelcaro: thanks
22:17<dondelelcaro>np
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23:47<ice_code>hello everyone
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