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---Logopened Wed Mar 05 00:00:52 2008
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00:02<seba>victor i guess ooffice will open that file
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00:03<victor>seba, yeah, it's opened as a xml code file.
00:04<victor>not a spreadsheet.
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00:05<victor>thank you, friends, bye.
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00:23<sime>I cant use my fonts in ~/.fonts/ to choice the font I want to use with gnome-terminal
00:24<sime>sorry for my poor english
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01:00<JustSoul>good morning
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01:06<JustSoul>If I receive " 338 JustSoul dpkg :actually using host" whom I need to ignore?
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01:27<JustSoul>I made: When user login, pam_mount mount remote cifs (samba) share, and $USER/Desktop is symlink to some folder in that share. But I have some problems.. 1- if server think that symlink is broken, he don't transfer symlink to client ($HOME/Desktop/asdf-> /home/SomeDir and server have no /home/SomeDir, then client doesn't see $HOME/Desktop/asdf)
01:28<JustSoul>2- Sometimes kdestop crashed, commonly when use openoffice
01:28<JustSoul>3- sometimes desktop icons dissappear, but kdesktop still running
01:29<JustSoul>4- sometimes it's very slooow, but network traffic is small
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01:30<JustSoul>What better: Make Desktop - local folder (and teach users save document's not on the desktop) or
01:30<JustSoul>fix that problems...?
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01:32<dpkg>Test Failed.
01:34<jm_>JustSoul: why not find out why cifs mount fails?
01:34<JustSoul>jm_: mount don't fails.
01:36<jm_>JustSoul: well then ensure asdf- exists on the server
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01:37<JustSoul>jm_: but it's impossible
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01:39<jm_>JustSoul: well then you can't expect it to work unless you also try to create it if it doesn't exist
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01:41<JustSoul>jm_: it's created on client side
01:42<JustSoul>samba server transfer "symlink" to client and client's OS follow it
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01:42<jm_>JustSoul: the symlink is, but the real target may not be there if I understand things correctly
01:43<JustSoul>real target exist on client's machine
01:44<jm_>then I don't see where the problem is
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01:49<JustSoul>client: mount -t cifs //server/Share /mnt/share; $HOME/Desktop->/mnt/share/$USER/Desktop; $HOME/Desktop/My Docs->$HOME/MyDocs. server: /Share - samba share; /Share/[Users folders]/Desktop - desktop dirs; /home is empty.
01:50<JustSoul>server think that symlink /Share/[SomeUser]/Mydocs is not exist and do not transfer it to client
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01:52<JustSoul>It's possible to create on server /home/../Desktop/MyDocs dirs, but it's just example. I have some "problem" windows soft, that run from patched wine, and I have to create many symlink on client machine, some of then are on $HOME/Desktop/...
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01:56<Slydder>morning all
01:56<JustSoul>Slydder: morning..
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01:58<JustSoul>any idea?
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02:01<jm_>JustSoul: so you need to figure out why server thinks /Share/[SomeUser]/Mydocs doesn't exist
02:01<sortadi>any interactive command-line tool for configuring grub?
02:02<JustSoul>jm_: because on server side it's doesn't exist!
02:04<JustSoul>if in smb.conf I use "do not follow symlinks" server transfer broken symlink w/o address (it's show "broken link")
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02:06<jm_>JustSoul: that's why I told you you have to create it if it doesn't exist - it won't just magically appear
02:08<JustSoul>It's possible to create on server /home/../Desktop/MyDocs dirs, but it's just example. I have some "problem" windows soft, that run from patched wine, and I have to create many symlink on client machine, some of then are on $HOME/Desktop/...
02:09<JustSoul>I couldn't create client's dirs ierarchy on server
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02:12<JustSoul>now I have 10 clients with 12 User, and in near future I need to install debian on other ~50 machines. Sometime Users changes, How will I check out like-clients-dirs-ierarhy on server?
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02:31<Tree>Is anyone able to help me?
02:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
02:31<sortadi>did vlc go out of testing?
02:32<Tree>I'm having some issues with editing my sudoers file. I have no idea how i would even start?
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02:32<sortadi>Tree, with visudo
02:32<sortadi>Tree, it defaults to whatever-console-editor you have in your system
02:33<jm_>!why is vlc not in testing
02:33<dpkg>vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in
02:33<Tree>So i would use: visudo /etc/sudoers/ ?
02:33<sortadi>Tree, if you have nano then it will open a nano "window" with visudo
02:33<sortadi>I mean, with the sudoers
02:33<sortadi>Tree, just visudo
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02:34<sortadi>Tree, as root, obviously
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02:34<Tree>So what do i edit in the file?
02:34<chealer>sortadi: not recently
02:34<jm_>that's up to you to decide ...
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02:35<sortadi>Tree, that's up to what your needs are
02:35<Tree>I need to add myself to the sudoers list.
02:35<Tree>(i can't use sudo or su)
02:35<jm_>man sudoers has examples
02:35<sortadi>Tree, man sudo
02:35<sortadi>Tree, or man sudoers
02:35<sortadi>chealer, I see
02:36<sortadi>chealer, any hopes in coming back?
02:36<Tree>where is the man file located?
02:36<chealer>sortadi: it reentered testing since the last time it was removed
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02:43<Tree>Almost finished. How do i save in nano?
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02:45<Tree>Thanks guys.
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03:51<EmleyMoor>There's a faulty package in testing - pymsnt_0.11.3-1 doesn't actually connect to MSN...
03:52<EmleyMoor>While I wait for this to be resolved, is there any way I can revert back to 0.11.2-3?
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03:53<Guest157>Hi, I don't know how to start another editor than vi from the console window. Can someone help me?
03:53<azeem>Guest157: run "nano"
03:54<EmleyMoor>I think I may have found a way - off to try
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04:00<JustSoul>How to know what link speed on eth? 10/100/1G full/half ?
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04:00<prem>hi all
04:02<gsimmons>JustSoul: ethtool, mii-tool, dmesg, etc
04:02<prem>I installed network-manager-gnome from lenny..but when I logout and came back to see the applet running..its throwing "The Network manager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue"..
04:02<prem>I have installed all the dependencies..still..I couldnt figure out which resource am missing still..?
04:03<azeem>prem: maybe look in syslog for further informaton
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04:06<JustSoul>dmesg: skge eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex, flow control none
04:06<JustSoul>mii-tool: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
04:06<prem>azeem, I couldnt find out anything clearly from syslog..anyway is this because of any missing package..?
04:06<JustSoul>what I have 100 or 1G ?
04:07<Guest157>azeem, thank you! I succeded with nano to edit /etc/apt/sources.list.
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04:08<Guest157>Is someone online, who has experience with VPN with PPTP protocol?
04:10<azeem>Guest157: ask specific questions
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04:13<Guest157>Where can I find an easy to understand tutorial for PPTP under Debian/Knoppix?
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04:15<Guest157>I have Knoppix 5.3 and want to try pptp-linux and pptpconfig.
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04:15<Guest157>The installation of both was successful.
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04:19<bipin>i am first time using IRc just was checking how it works
04:20<JustSoul>bipin: grats
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04:21<amphi>!prize bipin
04:21*dpkg gives bipin a medal.
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04:21<XTF>Hi. How do I fix this error from apt-get update? "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"
04:22<agent_double_o>Hello. Where would I find what is included in the "Standard system" option during the "Software selection" phase of the installation?
04:22<azeem>!dynamic mmpa
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04:22<azeem>!dynamic mmap
04:22<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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04:24<rrm>hey guys... i tried to instal ndistools... the new verion and i get an error
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04:28<vook>whats there error
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04:28<vook>what's the error?
04:28<agent_double_o>I doubt anyone here can read the error off of your screen.
04:28<chealer_>rrm: yes
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04:29<rrm>FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
04:29<chealer_>agent_double_o: it basically installs a less barebone system (more of the most useful packages)
04:29<vook>try modprobe ndiswrapper
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04:29<rrm>vook: i get that when i did that
04:29<agent_double_o>Thanks, chealer_.
04:30<XTF>azeem: Thanks.
04:30<Torsten_W>rrm: m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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04:30<vook>rrm: ah. are you running a custom kernel?
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04:30<agent_double_o>Got impatient and Ctrl-Alt-F3'd and watched what the hell it was going
04:30<rrm>basic that was installed with 4.0r3 on ibm 686
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04:31<rrm>torsten_W that downloads the kernel
04:31<Torsten_W>no, the headers
04:32<Torsten_W>and the ndiswrapper-source
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04:32<rrm>oh yeah... what do they do...
04:33<vook>rrm: yes true - you need to download ndiswrapper-source and headers, then go to /usr/src/ - extract the ndiswrapepr source and build it.
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04:33<Torsten_W>vook: m-a a-i do this automatic
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04:33<rrm>torsten should i run that cmd again?
04:33<rrm>or is fine now
04:33<rrm>sorry but i am a noob
04:34<rrm>and i refuse to use vista:-) as my future upgrade is linux
04:34<Torsten_W>rrm: if the command ends with no error, a modprobe ndiswrapper should work
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04:34<vook>Torsten_W: not sure what m-a a-i means? m-a apt-get install ?
04:34<rrm>i got a gui install now... just like the one when installing the whole thing from scratch
04:35<Torsten_W>vook: module-assistant auto-install
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04:35<vook>Torsten_W: ah! cool - thanks. I am enlightened :)
04:35<vook>Torsten_W: I've been doing things the hard way I guess.
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04:36<rrm>i guess it worked... but i can not see it in the network setup
04:38<rrm>i got eth 0 1 2 and 2 is my lucent tech that is a pcmcia card and was detected auto by just geing pluged in
04:38<rrm>the atheros that is build in my r51 does not show
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04:42<gsimmons>rrm: Any specific reason why you're using ndiswrapper in preference to madwifi?
04:42<rrm>not really
04:42<rrm>i could not configure madwifi
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04:45<rrm>i always got errors
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04:46<rrm>should i use that one?
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04:48<gsimmons>rrm: It's generally preferred. If you encounter issues during installation or usage, you'll need to provide specific details relating to the problem. "could not configure" is insufficient.
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04:48<gsimmons>!tell rrm -about madwifi
04:49<rrm>can i paste in the ch
04:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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04:53<gsimmons>rrm: You're attempting to install madwifi from source?
04:54<rrm>i guess
04:54<rrm>that is what it says on the site
04:54<rrm>make install
04:54<plm156>with virtualbox-ose can i run 64 apps on sid amd64 with athlon64 3700+ ?
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04:54<Torsten_W>plm156: in vbox? no
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04:55<plm156>Torsten_W, i need the non_free version ?
04:55<Torsten_W>plm156: vbox doesnt support 64bit guests
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04:55<Torsten_W>plm156: it doesnt matter if free or non-free
04:55<plm156># Debian 4.0 ("Etch") i386 | AMD64
04:56<Torsten_W>plm156: there is no 64-bit guest support
04:56<plm156>On the other hand you must install the AMD64 version (this is the same as x86_64) if your host kernel is 64-bit!
04:56<gsimmons>rrm: It's already packaged for Debian. Use module-assistant (m-a) to generate a madwifi modules package for your system.
04:56<Torsten_W>plm156: u can only install 32bit guests
04:56<gsimmons>!tell rrm -about madwifi-install
04:57<plm156>Torsten_W, it is for 64bit hosts ?
04:57<Torsten_W>plm156: yes
04:57<plm156>Torsten_W, thanks
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04:58<StreeTz># re
04:58-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by FloodServ
04:58*amphi raises an eyebrow
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05:07<rrm>did this
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05:09<gsimmons>rrm: Again, it's already packaged within Debian.
05:09<dpkg>from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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05:17<rrm>worked... madwifi to the rescue
05:17<rrm>now i will remove ndis
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05:36<morgan`>I think nOp is a vim aficionado ...
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05:39<lupine_85>we must give him a spanking!
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05:51<dpkg>oi, stop that
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06:14<stevino>hi, I finally managed to install Lenny (this week build) and I'm very happy for that. Still I have some configuration issues... anyone who could help setting up properly my graphic card (ATI X600 SE)? I installed the ATI proprietary drivers from the website, but I didn't remove the xserver-xorg-video-ati package. Then I removed that package, after that I removed the proprietary drivers and installed the package fglrx-driver. Well in the end it seems
06:16<vook>yikes stevino - you have a story to tell it seems. Don't flirt with flood :) Pace your question !
06:17<vook>it's okay... what happened in the end?
06:18<themill>stevino: you were truncated at "Well in the end it seems"...
06:19<stevino>in the end I am not sure the graphic card is installed properly. no I have fglrx-driver package installed
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06:20<vook>stevino: do you have mesa-tools installed (for diagnosis) ?
06:20<vook>if so - try glxinfo | less
06:20<stevino>vook: let me check. is it a package?
06:21<stevino>mesa tools? I cannot find that package
06:21<vook>look for "Direct Rendering: ***"
06:23<vook>one sec...
06:23<stevino>vook: I'm running debian lenny
06:23<vook>erg - mesa-utis
06:24<stevino>vook: yes it's installed
06:24<stevino>now in a terminal "glxinfo | less " ?
06:24<vook>type glxinfo | less - look to see that direct rendering is enabled.
06:24<stevino>direct rendering: No
06:25<vook>how recent is your ATI chipset ?
06:25<stevino>3 years ago
06:25<stevino>ati x600 se
06:26<vook>you have a few options. One, as you know, is to install the debian "fglrx-driver" package. Another (perhaps better one) would be to go get the ati installer for linux.
06:27<vook>you may find in the end that the "ati" driver (provided with linux) gives the best balance of stability and performance.
06:27<vook>*provided with debian
06:27<stevino>fglrx-driver package is already installed. if I do fglrxinfo it says "display: :0.0 screen: 0"
06:28<stevino>I think I messed up the xorg.config file
06:28<vook>(sorry - I'm ill - nyquiled out) :|
06:28<stevino>is it possible?
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06:28<hathe|>stevino: don't run it as root
06:29<stevino>no, I'm running "fglrxinfo" as user
06:31<vook>stevino: X -configure usually creates a really good xorg.conf file.
06:31<vook>after running that, you can go in and edit (at options, modules, etc...)
06:31<stevino>so I first need to do "cntrl+alt+f1", then login as root, then run X -cinfugre?
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06:32<vook>X -configure - then X -config ~/
06:33<Tree>How can i view the . configuration files in my /home/userName/ folder?
06:33<vook>if it works, copy the file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then modify the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file as necessary.
06:33<Tree>Like .wine and the other ones
06:34<jm_>Tree: with an editor
06:34<vook>Tree - you can use nano, or vi, or mc (with F3)
06:34<Tree>So there is no way just to look at it?
06:34<vook>or cat, or less, or more
06:35<Tree>In the file manager?
06:35<Maulkin>.oO(or dog..
06:35<jm_>no idea about what you use, it certainly works in mc
06:35<Tree>oh nvm
06:35<Tree>found it
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06:35<vook>Tree: not really within the gui. You'd end up opening some sort of editor (like gedit)
06:37<stevino>vook: thank you. so, let me understand. firt of all I check that I have installed the right package with the drivers (which is fglrx-driver), then I logout from X and do X -configure and then X -config ~/ which, if it works I will move to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Right?
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06:39<vook>stevino: yes - that is correct. However, your xorg.conf file will possibly need to have minor adjustments from that point. (adding glx, drm, composite, etc...) - X -configure will not configure for the flgrx driver (in my experience), only ati. The "ati" driver is good though.
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06:39<vook>if you'd like to set up a proprietary driver, I suggest downloading the package directly from (
06:39<themill>ewwww no, don't do that.
06:40<stevino>ok. I will try. I hope I will be able to do that. First of all I will follow your procedure. Now I do that and then I'll come back to this chat and let you know if it works
06:40<themill>!fglrx one-liner
06:40<dpkg>from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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06:42<stevino>dpkg: I am more confused now
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06:42<bahman>Hi everybody
06:43<stevino>dpkg: sorry I am not experienced, what shall I do than? I was meaning to follow vook's suggetsion
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06:43<bahman>How could I connect to Ubuntu network?!
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06:43<jm_>stevino: dpkg is a bot
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06:43<themill>!tell bahman about ubuntu
06:43<themill>bahman: #ubuntu on
06:44<bahman>themill really thanks
06:44<Gekz>I dont get why ubuntu dont have their own irc server
06:44<vook>with all due respect to debian - external packages do coexist nicely within - as long as the user is able to coherently manage their system.
06:45<engywuck_>because ubuntu suckz? ;-)
06:45<Gekz>oh, you totally went there.
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06:45<stevino>themill: you wrote me about fglrx; does that mean that I have to follow the bot and don't do what vook suggestef?
06:45<Maulkin>And I'm totally taking people out of there and putting them back on topic.
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06:45<themill>vook: it's a lot harder work for the user to do so though. Upgrade X and bang, nvidia breaks, for example.
06:46<themill>vook: But if you do it the "debian way" then things stay in a coherent state for you and you don't have that trouble.
06:47<stevino>themill: ok I will reconfigure X first, then follow the instructions from the bot to get fglrx work. is this fine?
06:47<vook>stevino: themill has a good point. It's up to you. The debian method is more foolproof, but you will usually end up using more obsolete drivers. I support the debian way 99% of the time. Proprietary drivers (esp video) are an exception).
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06:48<themill>stevino: providing the fglrx drivers it gives you support your video card, then yes, just follow the bot's instructions.
06:48<stevino>vook: I son't care about having "obsolete" stuff as long as they work
06:48<vook>fair enough.
06:48<themill>stevino: It's worth checking on the ati website to see.
06:49<stevino>vook: let me understand one last thing, because I am confused. shall I first reconfigure X as you vook said and _after_ do the procedure suggested from the bot?
06:50<stevino>themill:I0ve already checked ati. I want to install fglrx and make it work properly. that's all I want to do now
06:51<themill>stevino: You need to check that the version of fglrx that the etch package will give you is the right one for your card. (etch has 8.28.8). If you have a very recent card then that might not work.
06:52<vook>stevino: X -configure still creates a good file, regardless as to whether or not you wish to use the "ati" driver (rather than flgrx). X -configure creates a good framework to start with.
06:52<stevino>themill: no problem: 1. my card is old (3 year). 2. I am using lenny
06:52<Gekz>yet you talk to a bot
06:52*Gekz claps
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06:53<stevino>vook: thank you. I will try ad let you know later. let's cross our fingers.
06:53<themill>stevino: Should be all good then. (lenny has 8.45.5). As long as fglrx hasn't *dropped* support for that card...
06:53<themill>stevino: but it sounds like you've checked for that already
06:54<stevino>themill: thank you as well. I have already checked. I guess you missed the beginning of my enquiry. Anyway, thank you ever so much to you as well. Let's try and then I'll come back and let you know
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06:55<themill>stevino: good luck with it (yes my connection to oftc seems to be yoyo-ing today. again.)
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07:41<Filipe>Cmo vao
07:41<Filipe>Como Vai
07:41<mauricio>quer t6eclar comigo
07:42<Filipe>./join #<pesquisa>
07:42<mauricio>so so
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07:42<vook>asi asi
07:43<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:43<mauricio>ok thanks
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07:44<Filipe>Who is there?
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07:51<Tharos>i'm still here
07:52<amphi>how reassuring
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07:55<engywuck_>me and myself are here, too
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07:58<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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08:00<themill>wtf encoding was that?
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08:20<ServerSide>themill: unicode powa
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08:27<bathost>help wanted regarding utf-8 and manpages
08:27<stevino>hi, is there anyone who knows how can I stop the X server in roder to run X - configure and X -config
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08:29<lupine_85>stevino: /etc/init.d/?dm stop
08:29<avtobiff>stevino, it depends on how it is started
08:29<lupine_85>(assuming default configuration)
08:29<avtobiff>stevino, but i was going to suggest what lupine_85 suggested
08:29<avtobiff>stevino, otherwise just "log out" from X
08:30<stevino>I am running gnome right now. I just need to run X -configure and X - config, but I cannot do that; it says that I am already running the servier now
08:30<stevino>avtobiff: how can I logout from X
08:30<avtobiff>stevino, just go to the gnome-menu and press "log out"
08:31<stevino>avtobiff: ok, but then I go back to the login screen; I need a terminal
08:31<lupine_85>so run ^ that command ^
08:32<avtobiff>do you come to a graphical loginscreen in that case? then you have to switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f[1-6]) and do what lupine_85 said (login as root and execute /etc/init.d/?dm stop) in order to bring down the display manager
08:32<lupine_85>well, you can do it from an x terminal too
08:32<stevino>ok thank you very much. of course next time the pc starts the display manager will go back in place right?
08:32<lupine_85>unless you break it with your configuration changes
08:33<stevino>I hope not... thank you, I'll try
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08:36<sime_>there's a big snowstorm here in quebec
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08:44<engywuck_>yeah, had snow today, too
08:44<engywuck_>some flakes
08:44<engywuck_>(sothern germany)
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08:47<vook>a bit of an icestorm in Indianapolis, USA last night. Greetings to the good people in Germany and Canada.
08:48<blubberdiblub>sunny here right now, middle germany
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08:53<Zathras>hi. I have ALSA running on Debian Etch. To my surprise on this particular system I do not have a ~/.asoundrc or even better an /etc/asound.conf file. But I do have a /var/lib/alsa/alsa.state file. Can I not put my current settings in /etc/asound.conf (how?) or is it depricated on Debian?
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08:54<bathost>A manpage should have displayed "system's" but the apostrophe was turned into 3 unusual characters. I thought all those characters were in the normal set with codes < 128 and should display normally. Am I wrong here?
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08:55<Woet>This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead.
08:55<themill>bathost: it might be a "smart quote" sort of thing which has a higher code point. What page (and what language)?
08:55<Woet>what should i install?
08:55<themill>!kernel build-deps
08:55<dpkg>To compile a kernel the Debian Way using make-kpkg, "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential". If you want to use "make menuconfig", then install libncurses-dev. If you want to use "make xconfig", then install libqt3-mt-dev (and also make sure that all your alternatives point to qt3 versions not qt4). Also ask me about <kernel compile> <make-kpkg> <kp mantra>
08:55<flixh>Can I use my ipw2200 wireless to install from a daily d-i + netinst iso, if I copy the ipw2200 firmware to /lib/firmware during installation and reload the module?
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08:56<themill>flixh: that sounds plausible.... never done it myself, but that's all that should be needed :) although you might need wireless-tools and wpasupplicant too
08:57<bathost>themill: I ran `man man' for English and the error came on the first page: just after the line containing DESCRIPTION
08:57<jm_>Zathras: put it in .asoundrc
08:57<Zathras>just copy the file in /var/lib/alsa ?
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08:57<jm_>no, I thought you already have what goes into the file - you don't need the file for ALSA to work
08:57<themill>bathost: ok, that's a smart quote style thing. What's your locale? (output of locale)
08:58<flixh>themill: I am just trying without a wireless network available here, and it seems to work. d-i is asking for an essid, I wonder if it's able to do wpa...
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08:58<themill>flixh: it won't be able to do wpa without wpasupplicant.
08:59<Zathras>jm_ : I am a bit confused. In earlier days ALSA was setup with those two files. Now I just have this autogenerated state file thingy. Does not feel like the stability of config files in /etc/ do
08:59<bathost>Woet: I'm already using ncurses.
08:59<flixh>themill: sure, question is how to get wpasupplicant into the d-i environment.
09:00<themill>nfi... you could ask in #debian-boot
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09:01<jm_>Zathras: you never needed .asoundrc
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09:01<flixh>themill: thanks, I'll try there.
09:02<themill>no worries... good luck. And let us know what you did if it's something rather different. I wouldn't mind knowing for future reference.
09:02<bathost>themill: LANG and everything beginning LC_ are "en_GB.UTF-8" except LC_ALL which is empty
09:03<themill>bathost: same here, but it looks fine for me. Just appears as an apostrophe. Does your terminal have an encoding setting too? (most do)
09:04<bathost>themill: how do I check the terminal setting?
09:04<themill>bathost: can you try LANG=C man man
09:04<themill>bathost: depends on your terminal. What are you using?
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09:06<bathost>themill: that did it! Brilliant.
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09:07<themill>bathost: yep... but that's not really a solution, just a workaround.
09:07<bathost>themill: I've had to change LANG to C in the past for sorting. What is the way to sort the problem once-for-all?
09:09<bathost>themill: What I want, if possible, is a single setting that deals with the display permanently. Occasionally I get a similar problem with less - used by man - but never with vim.
09:09<themill>bathost: well, it sounds like your terminal needs the right encoding specified for it. You're .uk so you presumably don't have much call for other languages so you could stick with LANG=C or use a 8859-1 charset, but you'd be better off getting a proper UTF-8/unicode workflow.
09:09<bernardo>is it normal for debian that when my wireless network is configured to work with dhcp that the system takes about 1 minute more than usual to start(because it is broadcasting to the router or something) and even when the system starts it doesn't have an IP address yet...It only succeds on getting an IP only after about 20 minutes!! it's driving me mad, please help!
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09:10<themill>bathost: It sounds like you've got the locale set right for UTF-8, so you now need to make sure your terminal is likewise set and that you have a decent unicode font available.
09:11<bathost>themill: Is the proper UTF-8 workflow easy to explain or is there some URL that will help?
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09:12<bathost>themill: Are you saying I should stick with LANG=C?
09:12<themill>bathost: what terminal do you use? konsole? rxvt?
09:12<themill>no, LANG=C is from the dark ages when the assumption was that everyone on the internet only needed ASCII characters.
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09:13<bathost>themill: so far as I know it's `linux'.
09:13<themill>bathost: this is at the console login? you're not inside KDE or GNOME or something?
09:13<bathost>themill: Correct! (Are you saying I should stick with LANG=en_GB.UTF-8?)
09:15<themill>bathost: yes, you should stick with LANG=en_GB.UTF-8. But I don't know why console is stuffing that up.
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09:16<bathost>themill: running `env|grep TERM' gives `TERM=linux'.
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09:18<bernardo>alguem sabe alguma coisa nessa merda?
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09:22<bathost>themill: Thanks for your help. At least things have moved away from manpages to some console problem. I'll read around.
09:22<bernardo>is it normal for debian that when my wireless network is configured to work with dhcp that the system takes about 1 minute more than usual to start(because it is broadcasting to the router or something) and even when the system starts it doesn't have an IP address yet...It only succeds on getting an IP only after about 20 minutes!! it's driving me mad, please help!
09:22<themill>!tell bernardo about br
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09:22<themill>bathost: no worries. good luck.
09:23<themill>bernardo: do you need a password (wep, wpa etc) for your wireless network?
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10:03*path is away: out
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10:04<themill>!tell path about away
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10:18<stevino>vook: hi I came here earlier and asdked you about the graphic card (ati) drivers
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10:22<stevino>anyone knows how I can check and see if my graphic card drivers are installed correctly? and check if 3d acceleration is working as well?
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10:25<fed>glxinfo ?
10:25<themill>stevino: "glxinfo | grep -i rend" and "glxgears" (or fgl_glxgears)
10:26<stevino>themille: thanks. do I need to be root to do slxinfo |grep -i rend ?
10:26<themill>no, run them as your normal user
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10:27<stevino>themill: it seems that I have no direct rendering. OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
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10:28<themill>did you change your xorg.conf to use fglrx (and modprobe fglrx)?
10:29<stevino>themill: I have an ati x600 se card. the drivers are the "ati" drivers from the package xserver-xorg-video-ati
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10:29<stevino>I guess these drivers are not ennough; or not well configured
10:29<themill>stevino: weren't you trying to install fglrx?
10:30<themill>(or have I got you confused with someone else today!)
10:30<stevino>themill: I already had them but still troubles. maybe I can try again, from scratch
10:31<stevino>themill: the procedure should now be to uninstall xserver-xorg-video-ati and install the fglrx packages, then I should edit xorg.config and substitute "ati" with "fglrx" in the name of the driver. right?
10:32<stevino>what about modprobe fglrx? is it necessary to do that as well? why?
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10:35<m4steR>i compiled xchat 2.8.4
10:35<themill>stevino: you shouldn't need to uninstall the xserver-xorg-video-ati package. If you've got fglrx installed then just change the driver line in xorg.
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10:36<m4steR>no errors but if I do: xchat -> command not found
10:36<themill>stevino: You should be able to get away without modprobing fglrx but it doesn't hurt ;)
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10:36<themill>m4steR: as a backport from the sid package?
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10:37<Flow>Sorry abotu that What was thecommand again?
10:37<Flow>Hello O.o?
10:37<m4steR>themill, no I downloaded the source by ufficial site
10:38<Flow>Who was helping me with my driver problem D: T_T
10:38<stevino>themill: ok I will try to install the fglrx packages. then i will change the driver emtry from "ati" to "fglrx".
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10:39<themill>m4steR: you're better off with a backport, but anyway. Did you "make install" at the end?
10:39<Zathras>m4steR, why not just install from repository?
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10:39<m4steR>themill, yes make install, and no errors
10:39<Zathras>your new install's bin is probably not in your path
10:39<themill>m4steR: do you know where it installed to?
10:40<m4steR>themill, no
10:40<themill>scroll back and look?
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10:40<themill>or look in /usr/local/bin/ (and hope that their makefile is sane)
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10:45<oups>i need help
10:46<pmenier>oups: and.... ?
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10:46<oups>some protocol appear on my system
10:47<pmenier>protocols ??
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10:50<Maulkin>Protocols appear on your system?
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10:52<Scurz>How to install the phpthumb module with apache2 ? I didn't find that in the phpthumb doc, strange...
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10:54<Kebianizao|work>what I need to do to build an amd64 linux kernel on a i386 arch? if I need an amd64 toolchain, where to get it?
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10:56<willi9>sa va
10:56<willi9>Hello sa va
10:56<willi9>salut no
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10:59<qq->willi9 : salut
10:59<Kebianizao|work>ça va?
10:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
10:59<willi9>oui men
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11:06<sasha>hi , coud someone explain me how to tweak network-mnager , cause i would like it not to take the step on manual resolv.conf editing
11:07<eyeris>in the output of `apt-cache show libghc6-gtk-dev` I see 'Depends: ghc6 (>= 6.6.1), ghc6 (<< 6.6.1+)', don't these contradict each other?
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11:08<blarson>eyeris ghc 6.6.1 would satisfy that
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11:09<eyeris>blarson really? perhaps I misunderstand <<. What does that mean exactly?
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11:09<Kebianizao|work>eyeris: strictly less than
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11:09<eyeris>Oh, wait, I see the + now :) duh!
11:10<eyeris>thanks guys
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11:12<eyeris>I guess if i want to use gtk2hs with ghc 6.8.2 I have to try to apt-build it myself :/
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11:13<Tuplad>Is there any like, step by step manual on how to resolve segment faults ? or is it different for each program ?
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11:14<Tuplad>there's a particucal program that keeps crashing everytime I try to start it =) even if I reboot
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11:14<Kebianizao|work>Tuplad: segment faults are usually bugs on apps, you should debug each app
11:14<eyeris>Tuplad "gdb program" "run" <get it to segfault> "up" and you will be looking at your offending line of code. That's the basic first step
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11:14<Zathras>Tuplad, segfaults in your own code: a debugger, segfault from hardware: memtest86. Segfaults in ither software: strace
11:14<Kebianizao|work>that usually means get a backtrace of the crash to start to find out where the problem could be, then solving it
11:14<eyeris>Of course, how to fix the code is very different for each app
11:15<Tuplad>so it's pretty much dependant on each program, because it's the opera browser that's acting up :D
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11:15<eyeris>Tuplad Right, you won't be able to debug that segfault very well.
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11:15<Tuplad>ah :(
11:15<Zathras>Tuplad, it can also be that a lib Opera is using is causing the segfault
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11:16<Tuplad>well wtf, I did gdb opera, and now it works :/
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11:16<Tuplad>Zathras: I don't know if that's the cause, but everytime I start opera wether it works or doesnt, I get 2 first lines(in console): ERROR: object '' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. and ERROR: object '' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
11:17<Kebianizao|work>Tuplad: it's possible that the bug is still there, that behaviour could be another sympthom
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11:17<Kebianizao|work>Tuplad: echo $LD_PRELOAD
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11:17<Tuplad>Kebianizao|work: empty
11:18<Kebianizao|work>then I wonder who's setting that
11:18<Kebianizao|work>well opera is privative, so it's hard to know, even that you can get a bracktrace, you won't be able to solve it
11:18<Zathras>Tuplad, tru installing a fresh JRE. Check version compatibility with Opera first
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11:20<Tuplad>Zathras: roger that, but I dont even use it :) what its for?
11:20<Zathras>it allows Opera to use Java
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11:21<mambo>JRE => Java Runtime Environment
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11:21<Tuplad>oh, alright
11:21<Tuplad>thanks dudes! :D
11:22<Zathras>graag gedaan
11:22<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
11:22<Zathras>yeah yeah. sorry about that
11:23<Tuplad>haha :p
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11:24<sasha>hi could someone explain me how to disable network manager for a dynamic inteface (usb-rdnis)
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11:24<ultiminum>guys i have already installed the 2.6.24 kernel from sid but i have a problem with my wireless .I have already installed the madwifi but i still i dont have net...well when i am on 2.6.18 kernel i have net..any ideas?
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11:25<sasha>ultiminum : did you recompile your madwifi driver or is it integrted in the kernel ?
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11:25<mambo>sasha: as root ifdown <iface>
11:25<ultiminum>i have recompiled it
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11:27<sasha>ultiminum : you should maybe update your maddwifi driver or check if it is not integrated in the kernel source know , if not then recompile it
11:27<ultiminum>well i can see the card
11:27<ultiminum>but i cant found my wireless connection
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11:28<sasha>ultiminum : and you make a scan and you see nothing ?
11:28<ultiminum>yea of course
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11:28<sasha>yes i have the same problem :)
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11:29<sasha>i tooked back a ethernet cable and will try to checkit later but personnaly i use wpa_supplicant mabe that s the problem
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11:29<mambo>ultiminum: sasha man iwconfig and read associating with SSID bit.
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11:30<dpkg>from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired.
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11:30<ultiminum>well i have configured iwconfig with my wire~network
11:30<ultiminum>but still nothing
11:31<sasha>in my case it works great but not with an 2.6.24 kernel
11:31<mambo>sasha: perhaps recompile the driver and insert it into the kernel?
11:31<sasha>mambo : for the network manager problems , each time i connect my htc device , it creates an ethx interface and then receices an p addres from my mobile phone but that removes my gateway and dns server
11:32<sasha>i would like NM not to touch my config
11:32<mambo>you can assign dns and gateway manually.
11:33<sasha>yes i do that , but each time i disconnect connect the phone it removes everything and the dhcp serve from windows mobile can not be configured
11:33<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
11:33<themill> /usr/share/doc/network-manager tells you how to stop it touching your network config
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11:35<sasha>themill : thanks that s exactly what i wa looking for
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11:36<sasha>themill : what is resolvconf package for , can it be used with NM
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11:37<themill>sasha: it's for managing dns settings easily when you roam between networks. It works very nicely with network manager.
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11:38<ultiminum>can terminal have lots of colours like gentoo's terminal?
11:41<Zathras>check bashrc /etc/profile etc
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11:42<ultiminum>i have already checked it
11:42<petemc>!fbcon resolution
11:42<dpkg>it has been said that fbcon resolution is run "hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. the mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.
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11:43<petemc>sounds like you want a framebuffer console
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11:44<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:46<user2>SERVER AFROS.IRC
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11:50<Xenguy>Q. Hi - I'm just curious as to whether there is any simple way to remove 'evolution' (which I do not use) without uninstalling GNOME ? Or am I stuck with Evolution if I want GNOME?
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11:53<zarchne>Xenguy: there's always a way...
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11:53<Xenguy>zarchne: without being too convoluted ;-)
11:53<petemc>aptitude remove evolution doesnt work?
11:53<Xenguy>zarchne: I don't want to break my system, or create future upgrade hassles
11:54<Xenguy>petemc: I haven't been using aptitude; I just tried 'apt-get remove evolution', but it seems to have 'gnome-desktop' (or some similar package) as a dependency
11:55<zarchne>gnome-desktop-environment depends on evolution
11:55<petemc>those are just meta packages
11:55<Xenguy>zarchne: that's the one, gnome-desktop-environment
11:55<petemc>you dont need to worry about that
11:55<zarchne>right, in the short term it doesn't hurt.
11:55<petemc>short term?
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11:56<Xenguy>petemc: oh, OK; so removing the meta-package won't remove GNOME itself?
11:56<zarchne>Xenguy: do you really think at the next upgrade you're going to want
11:57<Xenguy>petemc: tx
11:57<Xenguy>zarchne: what was your last question?
11:57<zarchne>The only question is if you want at future dist-upgrades it to pull in more modern packages. Since you're already customizing
11:57<zarchne>g-d-e to not include gnome, you probably know what you want.
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11:59*Xenguy ponders...
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12:00<daniel>Hi, I've got some problems with my sound in Debian Can anybody helb me?
12:00<piju>daniel; try alsaconf
12:01<daniel>The sound is working, but I've got no Line-In/Mic etc
12:01<daniel>alsaconf does not solve the problem
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12:03<daniel>I found a sound driver at viarena but during the installation I red "This driver is only working with the original Kernel of Debian 4.0
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12:03<daniel>What Version is the original Kernel of 4.0?
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12:05<Kebianizao|work>what's the status of the multiarch implementation?
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12:07<daniel>My Kernel verion is 2.6.18-6-686 is it that differen?
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12:11<chealer_>daniel: no. the version is 2.6.18
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12:12<daniel>so the driver is just too old?
12:13<themill>well... that's not the *original* kernel. There have been ABI bumps since etch was released.
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12:14<chealer>themill: one can't tell without knowing which version you need.
12:14<adrian>hi @ all
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12:14<chealer>themill: 2.6.18 per se doesn't really have an ABI
12:15<themill>chealer: but if someone gave you a binary driver and said it would work with the "original etch kernel" then it's unlikely to work with 2.6.18-6.
12:16<daniel>The msg is: " This package is only for the default kernel of Debian 4.0."
12:16<themill>daniel: do you compile it yourself?
12:17<daniel>no it is procompiled
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12:17<chealer>themill: yes and no. IMO someone who would mean it only works with some image wouldn't write it like that. maybe the context clarifies.
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12:18<themill>chealer: of course... but there's no accounting for stupidity. It seems it's a precompiled module, in which case it probably only works for -3- (I think that was the original kernel that came out with etch)
12:18<themill>although shouldn't it bitch on modprobe if the ABI is wrong, not just half-work?
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12:19<chealer>themill: I don't think he successfully loaded it
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12:20<chealer>themill: even then, if the person just wrote that, it probably only meant it was for a stock kernel.
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12:21<daniel>Ok I found a hint: In the instal-script it is checkt if the version is -4-. Will it work in Version -6- if I delete this check?
12:21<chealer>!win themill
12:21<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
12:21<themill>AIUI, if it's precompiled, it won't work with a different ABI kernel.
12:22<Sunniboi>meine frage lautet bekomme folgende fehler meldung in icweasel browser GNU Classpath's security implementation is not complete.... was kann ich dagegen machen das java wider richtig angezeigt wird
12:22<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:22<daniel>Then I'll have to compile it myself?
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12:23<chealer>daniel: if the script only checks for -4- or -6- it doesn't know what it's doing. you'd need to show what you're talking about.
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12:25<daniel>I downloaded the Debian-Version at
12:25<daniel>and followed the instructions
12:26<daniel> is the install-script and it just returns the msg below
12:26<daniel>because my kernel version is -6- not -4-
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12:28<chealer>daniel: the script checks for 2.6.18-4-686
12:28<chealer>daniel: so that's different
12:29<chealer>daniel: BTW, it's almost scary to look at this driver
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12:30<daniel>It is different to 2.6.18-6-686?
12:30<chealer>daniel: yes
12:30<daniel>What so you mean by scary
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12:31<chealer>daniel: I mean I wouldn't trust these drivers much
12:31<themill>I'd probably wander over to #alsa and get some advice from them...
12:31<daniel>It is from the original VIA-Website, isn't it
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12:32<chealer>the prebuilt module is outdated and incomplete use a .deb on Debian
12:33<chealer>and you don't "Scan Computer for Driver Updates" on Debian :)
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12:35<daniel>My problem is, that I do not see any sound input in my software although i have a line in and a Mic. I think it is a driver-problem or is it not?
12:35<themill>Have you fiddled with which source is being captured and at what level in amixer?
12:36<themill>And which input device is listed as the input source?
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12:37<chealer>daniel: if they provide sound drivers for Debian 4, that's presumably because the default drivers have some issue. Do they explain what the drivers are supposed to fix/improve?
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12:39<daniel>There is sad nothing about fixing anything
12:40<daniel>the level of capture in alsamixer is highest
12:40<daniel>no matter where I try to put sound in, the grecorder does not get anything
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12:41<chealer>daniel: then it may be a problem with the application, mixer levels or the drivers.
12:41<daniel>skype does not get any sound too so it is not about the application
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12:42<daniel>It looks like linux just does not know there is a Sound-in with my soundcard
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12:45<daniel>thanks for now, I've to go... bye
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12:56<unix>Hi mates, i'm having some troubles with Compiz. I have debian Etch and i installed it from the stable repositoires but i don't find a way to make it work. I have tested it in XFCE, GNOME and KDE and it doesn't wok. I have edited my xorg.conf for make it work and nothing, it just crashes the session and i have to restart it with <ctrl><alt><bakspace>! Does anyone know how to make it work?
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13:02<dpkg>hmm... compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
13:02<noflash>unix, I'm not a user :)
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13:04<noflash>you might ask in #debian on
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13:29<Woet`>There is a server running which creates files in a certain directory. Is it possible, without altering the server, to let those files automatictly get a chmod of 755?
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13:31<Woet`>And how?
13:32<Maulkin>read man chmod :)
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13:32<Woet`>automaticly get a chmod
13:33<Maulkin>read man chmod
13:33<Woet`>cant find anything about it
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13:35<themill>Woet`: why do you want these files to be executable?
13:35<Woet`>or 744.
13:36<Maulkin>Ah, sorry, misread you... you probably want to look at setuid and setgid on the directories
13:36<Maulkin>Or umask
13:37<Maulkin>wem... inotify would be another possibility.
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13:38<azeem>Woet`: what permissions do the files have now?
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13:39<Woet`>err, -rw-r--r--
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13:41<azeem>19:34 < themill> Woet`: why do you want these files to be executable?
13:41<Woet`>[19:35:48] <Woet`> or 744.
13:41<themill>which is still executable
13:41<azeem>744 is still executable, no?
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13:41<Woet`>err, no?
13:41<azeem>for the owner, it is
13:42<Woet`>i dont really care though, executable or not
13:42<Woet`>yea, of course the owner may execute it
13:42<azeem>so erm, what do you want to achieve?
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13:42<azeem>if you don't care about executable, why is 644 not enough?
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13:43<Woet`>well, 644 then..
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13:43<Woet`>i want it to be writable by someone else then the owner
13:45<themill>664 and put them in the same group.
13:45<themill>then look at umask and perhaps make the directory g+s so that the group is automatically set
13:45<azeem>Woet`: or change the server to create the files with a different umask
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13:47<blue_>hi people
13:48<blue_>i just compiled my first program and it worked:)
13:48<themill>!congratulations blue_
13:50<blue_>i tried abunch of distros but i just keep coming back to good oll 100% debian
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13:51<alretz>how can there be 307 people in this channel?
13:51<blue_>Torston (aka) ASC?
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13:57<karsten_>scheint ja zu funktionuckeln
13:57<karsten_>noch jemmes hier?
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13:57<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:59<karsten_>how are you see-g
14:00<karsten_>hi piju
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14:00<blue_>hi peeps. ? What is the best way to unistall a program the was compied and installed from source?
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14:00<karsten_>hi all
14:01<karsten_>sea of latere alligator
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14:02<qq->blue_ usual use uninstall
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14:03<blue_>qq ,like make uninstall?
14:04<qq->read README , Install files
14:04<Gathond>if one such target is defined
14:04<blue_>or dpgg -r?
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14:04<chealer>blue_: the same way you uninstall any program.
14:04<blue_>dpgg -r
14:04<blue_>dpkg -r:)
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14:06<blue_>thanks for info guys
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14:08<_ZeuZ_>guys, I launch services for people to use them from outside of my network, but I cannot ping to the outside, nor surf in any way from the ttys...
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14:09<DaCapn>My x server restarts apparently randomly, the following is seen in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old:
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14:10<DaCapn>as in... just 2 seconds ago that happened, heh. Anyone able to point me in the right direction?
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14:25<_ZeuZ_>DaCapn: Still there ?
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14:25<_ZeuZ_>Lemme take a look at the lo
14:25<_ZeuZ_>Lemme take a look at the log
14:26<_ZeuZ_>have you installed something recently?
14:26<DaCapn>this is not a recent problem, it has been a problem since installation on this machine
14:26<_ZeuZ_>Also, you're using an ATI card right?
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14:27<_ZeuZ_>well, have you tried uninstalling the x server, and reinstalling the newest versino ?
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14:28<DaCapn>a version outside the repository?
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14:30<qq->what card . and dist ?
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14:31<qq->are you using ?
14:31<qq->wich card , I means
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14:32<Deeppact>Hello is there a way i can chat via my msn in irc
14:32<ZeuZ>got disconnecte4d
14:32<ZeuZ>Deeppact: use Kopete. Though you will have IRC and MSN open, but you cant merge them togheter
14:33<Deeppact>ZeuZ, Thanks for reply =D
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14:38<_ZeuZ_>Deeppact: no problem
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14:42<Deeppact>How can i highlight a name in XChat?
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14:44<_ZeuZ_>Deeppact: just partially right the name, and press TAB
14:44<DaCapn>I have an 8600GT PCI-E
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14:50<chealer>DaCapn: which driver do you use?
14:50<DaCapn>the nvidia proprietary driver
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14:52<chealer>DaCapn: which version do you use?
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14:52<DaCapn>169.09 I think is the number, the latest
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14:52<fsateler>why does the following cause a warning from gcc?
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14:53<fsateler>it complains: test.c:6: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type
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14:56<DaCapn>total 0
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14:56<amphi>ETERM, I presume
14:56<Supermule_>Isn't there something wrong with this page:
14:56<Supermule_>If you look after the text: " Recent issues of Debian Weekly News:" it lists ... nothing.
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14:58<DaCapn>there could be no recent issues of debian weekly news.
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14:59<Supermule_>ahhhh, the most recent was 2007 - sorry for asking stupid questions
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14:59<Golfgeo>Hi all, got a question: Why when installing gpsd does it install X11 related stuff I don't need on my server?
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15:00<arschknacker1>bleib freundlich und beim Thema. Verpass auch nicht, die Foren unter
15:00<fsateler>Golfgeo: aptitude why gpds unwanted-package
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15:00<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
15:01<Golfgeo>fsateler What do you mean?
15:01<chealer>Golfgeo: it's probably gpsd-clients which brings that
15:01<fsateler>Golfgeo: issue that command on the commandline, and it will show you the dependency chain between those two
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15:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
15:03<sven>!nvidia one-liner
15:03<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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15:03<chealer>!tell sven about msg the bot
15:03<arschknacker1>bleib freundlich und beim Thema. Verpass auch nicht, die Foren unter
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15:04<arschknacker1>bleib freundlich und beim Thema. Verpass auch nicht, die Foren unter
15:04<sven>no nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 found :'(
15:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:07<Golfgeo>chealer didn't see your line at first... Can I suppress some packages with apt?
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15:08<chealer>Golfgeo: of course
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15:10<Golfgeo>chealer Know how?
15:10<chealer>Golfgeo: what's your favorite APT front-end?
15:10<Golfgeo>chealer apt :-)
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15:11<VBasic>Hi all
15:11<chealer>Golfgeo: apt is a package/library. you need to use a front-end with it
15:11<Golfgeo>chealer ah, oke: apt-get
15:11<chealer>Golfgeo: you can use apt-get remove
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15:12<Golfgeo>chealer, oke you didn't get my intent: I am looking to install gpsd and this without the bundeld gpsd-client (& cohorts) packages. So I need to suppress the install of gpsd-clients
15:13<VBasic>Help me, please. I have just installed Debian4.0R2Etchi386, kde, and when I'm triyng to start Konqueror, nothing happens. Sometimes it starts after 3-5 minutes. What that mean?
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15:14<VBasic>same thing happens with Krusader
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15:18<chealer>Golfgeo: to avoid installing package bar when installing foo with apt-get brings bar by default, you can use # apt-get install foo bar-
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15:18<Golfgeo>chealer, ah I read something about that in the apt manual :-) Thanks mate :-)
15:19<chealer>VBasic: is your lo interface up?
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15:19<VBasic>chealer, I don't know, how can I check my lo interface?
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15:20<chealer>VBasic: # ifconfig lo
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15:20<VBasic>lo Link encap:Local Loopback
15:20<VBasic> LOOPBACK MTU:16436 Metric:1
15:21<VBasic> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
15:21<VBasic> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
15:21<VBasic> collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
15:21<VBasic> RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
15:21<VBasic>this is it
15:21<chealer>!tell VBasic about paste
15:21<chealer>VBasic: so it's down. it needs to be up
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15:22<VBasic>how can I do it?
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15:22<Golfgeo>chealer, also needed to "minus" the X11-common package, but it worked :-)
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15:23<chealer>VBasic: could you provide your /etc/network/interfaces ?
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15:24<VBasic>#auto lo
15:24<VBasic>#iface lo inet loopback
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15:24<VBasic>I need to remove "#" ?
15:24<telenieko>Hi ppl. Since yesterday Epiphany has decided to open things with whatever it wants (i.e. PDF's with GIMP), I run lenny+sid any clues?
15:24<chealer>VBasic: did you comment these yourself?
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15:25<chealer>VBasic: why?
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15:25<VBasic>I've read about this in some manual
15:26<VBasic>manual about solving problems with dial-up connection %)
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15:27<VBasic>so, I need to uncomment that lines and everything will be fine?
15:27<VBasic>I'm novice in Linux, this is my third day
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15:32<Golfgeo>gtg people, and thanks :-)
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15:50<brokencycle>I've got the problem that I can't network from a kvm virtual machine, no matter what.
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15:54<DeFender1031>hi, i have a question that i don't know whether to ask here or in the #mediawiki channel on freenode. I'm trying to find out how to set up 2 different wikis running on the same server.
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15:56<brokencycle>DeFender1031: I haven't yet bothered with MediaWiki, but routinely set up more than one web server on the same box. Like five Apaches and one lighty, or similar constructs. If in doubt, just implement one MediaWiki per server...
15:59<DeFender1031>brokencycle, yeah, but apt installs it...
16:00<DeFender1031>i'd have to manually install to do that, no?
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16:01<brokencycle>I'm not sure. With other apps, there are usually some files under /usr, some more files under /var, and a configuration under /etc. Often, it's sufficient to grab from these locations what you need to run several instances.
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16:02<brokencycle>Maybe you can even get away with two configs and two areas for storage, and two databases - as I said, I don't know MediaWiki, nor do I know the Debian package for it.
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16:12<_ZeuZ_>guys, I need to limit my users under a network to a maximum of 20 connections... how can I do that through IPtables?
16:12<mazur>Hi. i`v got problem with my cdrom speed. When i watch the movie cdrom speed is max . How can i slow down it ?
16:13<_ZeuZ_>mazur: what for?
16:14<brokencycle>I'd also like to do that because high cdrom speeds wear heavily on the cds and also increase the noise of the drive.
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16:17<engywuck>hdparm perhaps?
16:18<engywuck> -E Set cdrom speed. This is NOT necessary for regular operation, as the drive will automatically....
16:18<brokencycle>ok, thank you!
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16:21<_ZeuZ_>engywuck: heya! how's it going mate?
16:21<mazur>setcd -x 8 /dev/cdrom or eject -x 8 /dev/cdrom not work
16:21<engywuck>nice yet
16:21<mazur>ok i open sudo kate /etc/hdparm.conf and what should i do ?
16:21<engywuck>i think about reinstalling my EEE with generic Debian installer
16:22<_ZeuZ_>engywuck: Hhhm... what's with the yet?
16:22<engywuck>for using encrypted system
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16:22<_ZeuZ_>why not doing it yourself now?
16:22<engywuck>or is it possible to add that later in debian?
16:22<_ZeuZ_>install gnupg for example...
16:22<_ZeuZ_>gnupg will crypt your files...
16:22<engywuck>complete disk (without /boot)?
16:22<_ZeuZ_>or was it gnugpg?
16:22<engywuck>got to look for it
16:22<_ZeuZ_>without /boot, of course...
16:22<brokencycle>engywuck ?
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16:23<_ZeuZ_>if not you'll loose your kernels...
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16:24<brokencycle>I saw you were discussing encryption.
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16:24<zepa>Hi, anybody here that can help me installing an FTP server accessable over the internet?
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16:24<zepa>nobody answering in #help
16:25<engywuck>jo, i think encryption for a device that's moving with me all the time would be nice :)
16:25<engywuck>what's your problem, zepa?
16:25<engywuck>you need an ftp server
16:25<zepa>lack of skills really, hmm, can you tell me where to look for FTP server tools?
16:25<engywuck>and either a comp directly on the net
16:26<engywuck>or the correct settings in your firewall/router
16:26<engywuck>server tools?
16:26<zepa>I did check the box which questioned me if I wanted to install FTP server when I installed debian
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16:26<brokencycle>engywuck: I have set up two machines with this using the regular Debian Etch installer.
16:27<engywuck>perhaps that's a help?
16:27<engywuck>regular etch for eee?
16:27<brokencycle>I'm not completely happy yet. Regular Etch on regular PCs (using disks). I don't have an eee.
16:28*brokencycle is away: I'm away.
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16:31<zepa>should I install my FTP server as a inetd or a standalone?
16:31<zepa>Its going to be my private server, kinda like an extra backup hardisk
16:32<zepa>Ill take tjhe inetd
16:32*brokencycle is back (gone 00:04:20)
16:33<noflash>!tell brokencycle -about away
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16:33<zepa>how do I root when there is nowhere to insert my password? o_O
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16:34<zepa>it says that I have to be root to run application and that the window closes in 10 seconds
16:34<_ZeuZ_>zepa: What?
16:35<_ZeuZ_>use sudo to launch it?
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16:35<zepa>is there any way to be root all the time?
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16:35<_ZeuZ_>though is not recomendable
16:35<_ZeuZ_>use su command
16:35<_ZeuZ_>then you'll be root
16:35<_ZeuZ_>but you'll need the root password
16:35<zepa>I have, I made it
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16:36<_ZeuZ_>then do:
16:36<_ZeuZ_>then enter the password and hit enter
16:36<zepa>ye, but that only works in terminals
16:36<bouteill>Hi everyone, I need a bit of help with readline4. My system provides the package readline-common including readline5. Still I need for some legacy hardware driver. Is there a way to instal both readline4 and 5 ?
16:37<zepa>hmm.. do I start an task from terminal by just typing in the name?
16:37<_ZeuZ_>do gksu (if using gnome) or sudo (if kde, or you can use it with gnome too) so you'll run graphical apps in ROOT mode
16:37<_ZeuZ_>bouteill: yes
16:37<_ZeuZ_>zepa: you're really new to Linux right
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16:38<_ZeuZ_>bouteill: apt-get install readline4
16:38<_ZeuZ_>both versions can coexist
16:38<MoDaX>bouteill: install libreadline4 for you arch
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16:38<bouteill>I think I already tried this, but I'll try again to make sure :]
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16:39<_ZeuZ_>MoDaX: it's still in the official repos you know?
16:39<zepa>hmm, still having problems but Ill do some trial and error
16:39<brokencycle>i'd like some help with kvm and networking.
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16:39<MoDaX>_ZeuZ_: really?
16:39<MoDaX>!find libreadline4
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16:39<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libreadline4' returned no results.
16:39<_ZeuZ_>it provided by tons of packages
16:40<brokencycle>zepa: what problem do you have with your ftp server?
16:40<_ZeuZ_>though you'll need to install it from SARGE
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16:40<zepa>hmm, basicly finding out how to set it up ^^
16:40<MoDaX>zepa: sarge is unsupported
16:40<MoDaX>_ZeuZ_: sarge is unsupported
16:40<bouteill>apt-get install libreadline4
16:40<_ZeuZ_>MoDaX: not yet :)
16:40<bouteill>Reading package lists... Done
16:40<bouteill>Building dependency tree... Done
16:40<bouteill>Package libreadline4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
16:40<bouteill>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
16:40<bouteill>is only available from another source
16:40<bouteill>However the following packages replace it:
16:40<bouteill> readline-common
16:40<bouteill>E: Package libreadline4 has no installation candidate
16:40<bouteill>Hum sorry for the flood
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16:40<brokencycle>from what i read so far, you only want one (a few) named accounts, right?
16:40<_ZeuZ_>it's still not under unsuport :)
16:40<MoDaX>bouteill: what is your arch? i386?
16:41<zepa>umm, I think so
16:41<zepa>later I want to host a webpage but Ill deal with that in some days
16:41<brokencycle>zepa: you said something about an extra backup disk, so i assume that you want to put files there, or fetch them. you, not random users.
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16:42<zepa>ye me, gonna be password protected so only I can enter, and maybe some close friends
16:42<_ZeuZ_>zepa: read about htaccess
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16:42<MoDaX>bouteill: amd64 wasn't official in sarge times. you will to have compile from source
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16:42<_ZeuZ_>zepa: also, for webhosting, read some tutorial before asking :D
16:42<zepa>okay :>
16:42<_ZeuZ_>bouteill: or download from
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16:43<brokencycle>ok. I may have missed it, but which server package did you decide on?
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16:43<_ZeuZ_>it might be some package on
16:43<_ZeuZ_>unnofficial though
16:44<MoDaX>bouteill: get orig.tar.gz, .diff.fz, .dsc from the site I previously mentioned, dpkg -x *.dsc; cd to dir; dpkg-buildpackage -b
16:44<_ZeuZ_>hey, can anybody join #iptables ?
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16:44<MoDaX>bouteill: and pray that it compiles :)
16:44<bouteill>Thanks ZeuZ, I'll try this right away. Is there a risk that readline 4 replaces readline 5 (and then breaks mostly everything else) ?
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16:45<_ZeuZ_>not likely...
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16:50<zepa>I read about htaccess, I understand that it's a pretty good password protection but I guess I can't use it yet
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16:50<zepa>since I'm not actually hosting anything
16:50<zepa>hmm, guess I'll start with the simplest question of all :P
16:51<zepa>how do I find my Debian computer on the LAN using windows computers?
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16:52<zepa>and visa verse
16:52<brokencycle>Use ping, tcpdump and friends?
16:53<zepa>*opens lots of tabs*
16:54<zepa>I found out how to access my GBIN admin
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16:55<bouteill>Thanks ZeuZ, Compiling from source the sarge release did worked nicely
16:55<zepa>brokencycle: I dont have friends or the two others :<
16:55<zepa>me thinks
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16:56<brokencycle>In that case, I recommend "aptitude install ping traceroute tcpdump", then read their manuals. You'll need these programs before long anyway.
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17:01<Metabaronen>hi, do anyone know where I can ask questions about the xen kernel? I need to recompile it
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17:05<_ZeuZ_>Metabaronen: hmm... you patch it, you recompile all the modules and stuff, you pack it, and you install it... prddy easy
17:07<Metabaronen>yes but there should be a dpkg for xen right?
17:07<Deeppact>Does anyone know how to download files from another user in XChat?
17:07<Deeppact>Because it just won't download
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17:08<_ZeuZ_>Metabaronen: just do as you would do with a normal kernel
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17:09<Metabaronen>apt-get install linux-patch-xen
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17:10<Metabaronen>ok, you mean that a should build it from the official source ?
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17:12<ServerSide>how do I "enable composite extension" ?
17:13<ServerSide>yes, I know, but what I have to add?
17:13<_ZeuZ_>ServerSide: Extensions, a new gap, add it at the end of the file
17:13<ServerSide>Section "Extensions"
17:13<ServerSide> Option "Composite" "Enable"
17:13<ServerSide>that's it right?
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17:16<_ZeuZ_>ServerSide: Installing compiz-fusion ? :D
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17:16<ServerSide>right :>
17:16<ServerSide>I tried it ages ago
17:16<ServerSide>It was so unstable :>
17:17<ServerSide>mh, must I restart X?
17:18<_ZeuZ_>KDM/GDM/XDM and X server
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17:19<Woet>Debian is way more secure compared to windows server 2003, for example, right?
17:19<_ZeuZ_>Woet: Any Linux Distro, is more secure than Windows...
17:19<ServerSide>ah shyt
17:19<_ZeuZ_>For workstations really more secure...
17:19<Woet>Yea, a friend of mine says 'Windows server 2003 is just as secure as linux, if you configure it right'
17:19<Graveworm>Hi everyone! Is there a way to see which processs is doing what action with a file? If I run top I can see that "clamscan" is doing something but I want to know which eMail it is scanning because this process blocks the other eMails. Until now I have about 5800 in queue :\...
17:19<ServerSide> /etc/init.d/gdm restart need?
17:20<chealer>Woet: not necessarily
17:20<_ZeuZ_>Woet: Windows Server 2003 needs tons of tools and software to be secure, while Linux, by default, is meant to be secure
17:20<fsateler>Graveworm: lsof
17:20<Metabaronen>Graveworm, try trace the process with strace -fp <PID>
17:21<Metabaronen>all depending on how mutch utput you want;-)
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17:22<_ZeuZ_>Metabaronen: Well said ;)
17:23<Metabaronen>well it it possible to configure linux wrong hehe
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17:24<Metabaronen>welcome back ServerSide ;-)
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17:26<_ZeuZ_>Configure Linux wrong, yea, it's pretty much easy if you don't read what you're configuring xD
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17:26<Shu>rtfm >:O
17:26<_ZeuZ_>Shu: Powa! :)
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17:28<Woet>lol, he cant be taken seriously anyways. He now complains linux crashes way more the windows server 2003
17:28<Woet>Which is just complete nonsense
17:29<Woet>he now states **
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17:30<_ZeuZ_>Woet: Tell him to RTFM and to check comparisions, and STFU
17:30<Woet>already did
17:30<Woet>but since i was on his ventrilo server, he banned me :p
17:30<Graveworm>Ah fine. I found it. Thanks for help fsateler, Metabaronen :).
17:30<Woet>or he took my speaking rights
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17:31<_ZeuZ_>leave the moron there, or nmap his IP, tell me the version, and we'll flood him or shoot his server down...
17:31<_ZeuZ_>(The version = Of Ventrilo)
17:31<Metabaronen>Graveworm, np :-D
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17:36<_ZeuZ_>ServerSide: Is it working correctly?
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17:38<ServerSide>looks mega stable
17:38<ServerSide>stable version :>
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17:41<_ZeuZ_>I'm using GIT version, it's amazingly stable...
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17:46<Woet>Could someone give me the command to ban IP x.x.x.x from my linux box
17:46<Woet>using iptables?
17:47<_ZeuZ_>iptables -A INPUT -i INTERFACE(replace that with your interface) -s TO BLOCK) -j DROP
17:48<Woet>where to find the interface i will need?
17:48<Woet>oh wait, ifconfig
17:50<Metabaronen>try use the console instead of chat maybe ;-)
17:50<_ZeuZ_>(noob alert) (noob alert ) : )
17:51<_ZeuZ_>hehe that kinda reminded me of a ringtone that says: Fart detected, please evacuate the room
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17:58<Deeppact>What is a good c++ compiler in ubuntu
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17:59<Deeppact>Metabaronen, Thanks
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18:01<dkr>don't reward the newbuntus asking question in the wrong channel. :)
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18:04<engywuck>oops, he asked for ubunt
18:04<engywuck>and I answered that
18:04<Metabaronen>I'd just ignored the ubuntu part
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18:04<engywuck>hey, let's give ubuntu-users wrong answers....
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18:05<Metabaronen>well we can start bu say "it is like this in debian but it must be totaly different in ubuntu" ;-)
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18:06<Metabaronen>or maybe reverse every answer
18:07<p_quarles>Metabaronen: get-apt install essential-build?
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18:08<Metabaronen>hehe just like that ^^
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18:19<v|f>hi! does anyone have a quick fix for:
18:21<hw>whoa i didn't know it was possible (sorry i can't help you!)
18:21<chealer>v|f: ask on the bug report
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18:22<Metabaronen>well that was a strange limit :-P
18:22<v|f>well I can dL the source and modify it...
18:22<v|f>but is there a quick solution?
18:22<Metabaronen>non that I know of
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18:23<hw>v|f, try replacing any int you can find by long int :/
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18:24<hw>salut william___yo .
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18:24<william___yo>comment sa va hw
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18:24<hw>pas trop mal, toi ?
18:24<william___yo>oui sa va sa va
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18:26<hw>william___yo, qu'essaies-tu de m'envoyer ?
18:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
18:26<hw>:D sorry.
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18:27<peja>hello, I f
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18:28<peja>I installed xidentd server but I dont need it anymore what is the orginal inetd package? open-bsd?
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18:28<azeem>peja: netkit-inetd, maybe
18:29<azeem>it's unclear what you mean with "original"
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18:30<v|f>thx ppl, bye
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18:31<peja>azeem: netkit-inetd, says it's virtual package ... i mean when i install debian what version of inetd it has?
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18:33<peja>azeem: thz ... i found it
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18:38<Guest244>how do i join quakenet?
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18:40<engywuck>i tried to generate an usb stick with install data for lenny
18:40<engywuck>but somehow it says "no install iso found"
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18:41<engywuck>there's a mini.iso from netinst directory on stick...
18:41<engywuck>what did i do wrong?
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18:43<kdean06>I should have checked this before I did so, but I selected the "Z" option to background the process and manually compare the difference in config files on a dist-upgrade. I, however, can't readily tell how to resume that upgrade. I googled and got info regarding fg (which I'm already aware of and doesn't work) but nothing apt-get specific, and man didn't offer much help.
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18:44<qq->engywuck : dd if=/ /ram.img of=/dev/sda
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18:45<engywuck> says i need a boot.img.gz
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18:46<engywuck>but the one i tried won't work
18:46<engywuck>do you have a correct location for me?
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18:48<qq->engywuck : dd if=/ boot.img.gz of=/dev/sda
18:48<engywuck>would you please read my question?
18:48<engywuck>i need to know WHERE TO GET THIS .IMG FROM
18:49<engywuck>this one doesn't work
18:49<engywuck>with net netboot.iso
18:49<engywuck>from here
18:49<qq->use a etch better
18:50<engywuck>sorry, but etch's too outdated ;-)
18:50<mechstomp>etch is a dino
18:50<mechstomp>lenny better :D
18:50<engywuck>i need at least 2.6.22 kernel for some of my hardware
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18:51<witte>!etch 2.6.23
18:51<dpkg>well, etch 2.6.23 is kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at
18:51<engywuck>i need it while installing...
18:51<qq->no, only for d-i , than you upgrade to lenny
18:51<engywuck>for example earlier ones don't get my network card
18:52<qq->which net card ?
18:52<engywuck>it has to be possible to install etch with USB stick
18:52<engywuck>the one in the EEEpc :)
18:53<engywuck>yes i know there's a eeepc debian install thingie
18:53<engywuck>but *that* doesn't have disk encryption while installing
18:54<engywuck>and i don't have yet an USB CD
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18:59<craigevil>engywuck: have you tried (Installing Debian onto USB flash media with everything encrypted.)
18:59<engywuck>not yet
18:59<engywuck>thanks for the link
18:59<craigevil>gotta love being able to use /google in konversation
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19:01<craigevil>that link is rather old, like before Sarge even released so it may not work
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19:04<engywuck>well, at least it's an information
19:04<engywuck>what would be really nice is sth. like LUKE promises on Wondows:
19:04<engywuck>encrypt after installation :)
19:05<engywuck>or whatever thats called
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19:09<donfede>engywuck: one can hack that together (encrypt disk after installing) using loop-aes
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19:10<donfede>engywuck: that works currently. there's a howto on the transition. and there is an installer option to disk encrypt during install using LVM volumes (but I've not worked with that)
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19:10<engywuck>that's (the install with LVM) was why i wanted to reinstall... ;-)
19:11<stckptr>anyone versed into alsa active at the moment?
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19:12<engywuck>c'est quinze ans je ne *damn don't know the word* en L'ecole
19:12<engywuck>but strange, i seem to be still able to read that :)
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19:13<rjent>Anyone got time to walk me through the steps to integrate lenny to an ldap server for authentication?
19:14<dondelelcaro>rjent: there are howtos that are pretty good about it, but basically it's just a matter of installing libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap and configuring them (assuming it's a remote ldap server)
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19:18<mechstomp>anyone on here used sidux before?
19:18<craigevil>mechstomp: go to #sidux
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19:27<rjent>dondelelcaro: do you have a link? I have done as you said and I see the users via getent passwd but can not authenticate anyone.
19:28<dondelelcaro>rjent: you most likely haven't added the auth sufficient lines to common-auth et al.
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19:28<dondelelcaro>rjent: see /usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/*; for complete information on that.
19:29<sime>anyone knows of a open source tool to edit video..similar to final cut?
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19:30<rjent>dondelelcaro: ok I will look.
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19:36<vook>sime: you may give "lives" a look. It's fairly raw - but does work okay. I haven't found anything open source that parallels commercial video editing utils from a quality standpoint. If you can master the command-line based utils Linux has to offer, you can do anything.
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19:37<sime>vook, you know of any open community axed in video editing?
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19:40<vook>I don't. I recently looked into this - but ended up using Camtasia (from my university). Linux video editing software is poor.
19:40<vook>if you put in some time though, you can do anything with the open-source tools available to linux.
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19:43<blarson>vook: I've heard there is a realy good video editor for linux. But most people don't want to spend $50k+.
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19:50<stckptr>can somebody integrate/ write a driver for linux for this 1616m cardbus
19:50<stckptr>sorry just dreaming :)
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20:03<abrotman>stckptr: sometimes if you're willing to buy the hardware for a kernel person, they will
20:05<stckptr>fingers crossed that a kernel person works for e-mu ;)
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20:14<nithinkumar2k>is anybody there?
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20:15<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
20:17<dpkg>somebody said luks was cryptsetup with luks support: "". LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition. See and google 'LUKS Debian' for more info
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20:25<qq->engywuck: how is your french now ... after reading ?
20:25<engywuck>if i read it correctly i still need to use a backup while doing so
20:25<engywuck>so I'll do it tomorrow - it's 2:25 here right now :)
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20:26<qq->mark this
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20:44<dmb>i have a small question
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20:44<dmb>debian-testing-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso <-- is this bootable?
20:46<abrotman>should be
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20:48<dmb>abrotman: ok, sounds good
20:48<abrotman>dmb: you should understand that disc might be broken in various ways ... you should really use the etch netinst
20:49<dmb>abrotman: excuse me for my stupidity, but where does one find the etch netinst?
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20:49<dmb>i can't seem to locate it
20:50<abrotman>!d-i dmb
20:50<dpkg>dmb, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
20:50<dmb>ok, i see it
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20:51<abrotman>not quite .. but okay
20:52<dmb>found it :P
21:00*rjent is away: Currently marking away.
21:00<abrotman>!tell rjent about away
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21:06<n00bsh>hi guys!
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21:07<qq->abrotman: what means for my user, the last _+ntc_ @ Debian Servers / #dedian (+ntc)
21:07<abrotman>qq-: sir yes sir!
21:07<abrotman>eh .. what?
21:07<qq->who ? me ?
21:08<n00bsh>guys, Im tryin to install amsn but I give a error Checking for required C library versions ... OK
21:08<n00bsh>Checking for X ... OK
21:08<n00bsh>Checking for TCL Scripting Language ... failed
21:08<n00bsh>Error: Could not find 'TCL Scripting Language'. Try using the native package manager for Debian (apt-get) to install a package with similar name to 'tcl'.
21:08<n00bsh>Error: Unable to prepare package AMSN MSN client.
21:08<n00bsh>(sorry 4 flood)
21:08<n00bsh>in the synaptic package mananger I dont know what package I have to install
21:09<qq->abrotman: I have that on navigator header @ Debian Servers / #dedian (+ntc)
21:09<abrotman>qq-: you're breaking my head
21:10<qq->ok sorry
21:10<abrotman>n00bsh: libtcl-dev or something like that
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21:11<craigevil>n00bsh: do apt-cache show amsn
21:12<qq->n00bsh: apt-get install tcl*
21:12<n00bsh>ah, thanks
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21:12<craigevil>look and the depends for amsn are you usign apt-get or aptitude to install amsn?
21:12<n00bsh>I get direct from the site of amsn, and run normally..
21:13<n00bsh>a window asks the root password, and ok..
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21:13<n00bsh>and shows a windows telling about the tcl
21:14<craigevil>why not just do apt-get install amsn its the same version, at least it is in unstable
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21:26<qq->as tell do apt-get install amsn
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21:27<n00bsh>same problem
21:27<n00bsh>cant find tcl
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21:27<qq->apt-get install tcl*
21:28<qq->apt-get update
21:28<n00bsh>same error.. "the following packages have unment dependencies:
21:28<n00bsh>and 13 lines of "conflicts"
21:29<n00bsh>e: broken packages
21:29<qq->do first apt-get update
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21:29<n00bsh>I do it ;)
21:30<n00bsh>and same error :T
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21:31<dli>n00bsh, testing (lenny)?
21:32<qq->cat /etc/debian_version
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21:35<dli>n00bsh, apt-get -f install amsn
21:35<nepbabu>n00bsh, 'dpkg -l | grep libc6' will tell you precisely what version of debian is and stop trolling
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21:38<Kaiba>Hello bros
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21:44<n00bsh>so guys, same error... could not find "tcl scripting language"
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21:46<Brudus>Does anyone if you can get true crypt to work in debian. I saw a post in the truecrypt forum with someone having the same problem is me and they really didn't give a solid answer. At least not one that my brain could interperate(sp)
21:47<DaCapn>I got it working just fine in debian a while ago... there's a truecrypt installer in some repository
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21:49<Brudus>I got a .deb file from the truecrypt website. Installed just fine. care giving me that repositry.
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21:50<DaCapn>I no longer have that information. It may have just been in the official one... all it would do is download the installer and run it, perhaps with some adjustment, I don't know.
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21:51<DaCapn>The reason being is that the truecrypt package is not full GPL but the truecrypt-installer package is full GPL
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21:53<n00bsh>thanks guys
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22:09<dmz>howdy y'all, anyone here ever install debian onto a SAS RAID system? LSI 1068E controller
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22:31<abrotman>dmz: i've done an SAS system .. but not that controller
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22:43<n00bsh>hi guys, howdy?
22:43<n00bsh>whats the command to see the partitions, please?
22:43<gsimmons>n00bsh: cat /proc/partitions
22:43<n00bsh>thanks buddy
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22:44<n00bsh>but how can I know what partition is fat?
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22:44<Xenguy>n00bsh: fdisk -l ?
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22:44<n00bsh>ohh thanks ;)
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22:45<Xenguy>n00bsh: not sure if that works, so test it :-)
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22:45<n00bsh>works fine buddy, thanks a lot ;)
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22:46<Xenguy>Q. I just added a 2nd hard-drive to a box, and now it takes noticeably longer to boot. It seems to take time around the GRUB stage, then finally kicks in and boots up fine. Anyone know why this might be, and how I could avoid the boot delay?
22:46<Xenguy>n00bsh: yw
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23:03<n00bsh>guys, when I try mount a fat32 partition I got a error "mount point /mnt/partition" not exist
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23:03<witte>n00bsh: well, you should create it in that case
23:04<n00bsh>im using mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/folder
23:04<n00bsh>oh, mkdir right?
23:04<witte>n00bsh: mkdir /mnt/folder
23:04<n00bsh>oh, thanks
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23:08<dmz>abrotman, sorry for the delay, hanging out w/wife :) when you installed SAS controller, was there any faq you followed or any hints you can give?
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23:10<n00bsh>reboot, brb
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23:28<khalil>how are you?
23:28<dpkg>khalil: just great
23:29<RadWulff>where are you?
23:30<RadWulff>ya me cago
23:30<khalil>hablas castellano?
23:30<khalil>de donde sos?
23:30<RadWulff>ya regreso es en serio
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23:34<khalil>how are you?
23:34<dpkg>just great, khalil
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23:35<tr3buchet>i swear to god
23:35<tr3buchet>i put a hard drive in, and it was detected and works a slave but the cdrom drive disappeared
23:35<tr3buchet>so i switched the jumper on the hard drive to master
23:35<khalil>yes and then?
23:36<RadWulff>que bien ya llegue feliz y contento
23:36<tr3buchet>and now the cdrom drive shows up as slave and there is no master
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23:36<tr3buchet>i believe the system is taunting me
23:36<khalil>have you entered the bios?
23:36<RadWulff>de que me perdi?
23:36<tr3buchet>it's like "nooooooooooooo, musssssst keep windowssssss..."
23:36<khalil>nada me consultan =)
23:37<tr3buchet>yeah i went into the bios to check too
23:37<RadWulff>tu tu has sido el guru
23:37<khalil>si mal
23:37<tr3buchet>it's just frustrating since it's hard to get all up in there and mess with it
23:37<tr3buchet>so third time's a charm right
23:37<RadWulff>ja ja ja, eres desarrollador de software?
23:37<khalil>no solo aficionado
23:37<RadWulff>soy desarrollador
23:38<khalil>have you chacked cd's jumper?
23:38<RadWulff>pero me estoy desatando del windows
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23:38<khalil>yo empece con debian el año pasado
23:38<RadWulff>yo empeze con el red hat 9
23:38<RadWulff>hace unos tres anios
23:39<RadWulff>ahorita estoy con el knoppix
23:39*Xenguy ignores the non-english chatter...
23:39<khalil>yo antes hice el lfs y antes use el pclinuxos
23:39<khalil>de donde sos?
23:39<RadWulff>esos no los habia escuchado
23:39<khalil>ah mira vos
23:39<RadWulff>de un lugar muy remoto
23:39<RadWulff>y tu??
23:39<khalil>mira vos
23:39<khalil>yo soy de argentina al sur
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23:40<khalil>que es eso?
23:40<khalil>ah listo =)
23:41<khalil>este irc para que es?
23:41<RadWulff>si le haces a la programacion??
23:41<khalil>para desarrolladores y eso?
23:41<khalil>si un poco
23:41<RadWulff>sabes que recien me meto por aca
23:41<khalil>yo tambien
23:41<RadWulff>no he tenido mucho tiempo
23:41<RadWulff>por el trabajo
23:41<khalil>no tenia nada que hacer y digo voy a practicar ingles en el irc
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23:41<khalil>ahh que bajon
23:42<RadWulff>lo chistoso es que salimos chatiando en nuestra lengua
23:42<khalil>si mal
23:42<khalil>y bueno aguante el español
23:42<RadWulff>mas o menos le muevo al ingles tu has de ser experto
23:42<khalil>no te creas
23:42<khalil>cuantos anios tenes?
23:42<RadWulff>23 y tu?
23:42<khalil>soy un pendejo
23:43<RadWulff>estas pollito
23:43<RadWulff>osea jovencito
23:43<RadWulff>yo ya me voy haciendo viejo
23:43<khalil>es la mejor edad los 22, 23
23:43<khalil>sabes que jodas que se arman
23:43<khalil>o x lo menos x aca en buenos aires
23:44<khalil>es la mejor edad =)
23:44<RadWulff>si se hace de todo
23:44<khalil>con 17 maso
23:44<RadWulff>pero tambien toca trabajar
23:44<khalil>vas a la facu?
23:44<RadWulff>que vaina
23:44<khalil>y si
23:44<khalil>yo otdavia no termine ni el secundario
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23:44<RadWulff>estoy sacando la ingenieria
23:44<khalil>yo cuando termine tambien
23:45<RadWulff>ah pero el colegio es vacansisimo
23:45<khalil>si es un cago de risa
23:45<RadWulff>las peladas
23:45<RadWulff>osea enamoradas
23:45<tr3buchet>stupid jumpers
23:45<RadWulff>los primeros tires
23:45<tr3buchet>oh oh
23:45<tr3buchet>tengo 25 anios
23:46<khalil>de donde sos?
23:46<RadWulff>trebuchet se me hace que es gringo
23:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:46<khalil>nos rajaron a la mierda
23:46<tr3buchet>oh good, that is somewhere i will not be going! jajajajajaja
23:46<RadWulff>ah nomos multilingues a que vean
23:47<khalil>i'll talk in english
23:47<tr3buchet>it finally seems that both drives are happy to be detected.
23:47<tr3buchet>stupid jumpers
23:47<tr3buchet>i am so happy with sata.
23:47<RadWulff>qht happen to you
23:47<RadWulff>what's upppppp
23:47<khalil>and now does it func porperly?
23:48<tr3buchet>i believe it is working just great
23:48<khalil>ok congratulations!
23:48<RadWulff>trebuchet are you developer?
23:48<khalil>what do you think thas was the problem?
23:48<tr3buchet>umm sortof? not a linux one if thats what you are asking
23:48<tr3buchet>well it was jumpers..
23:49<tr3buchet>stupid jumpers
23:49<khalil>yes it was a hardware misconfiguration
23:49<tr3buchet>those little imposible to get ahold of easily droppable easily loseable tings
23:49<khalil>yes sometimes it happens
23:49<RadWulff>download the last kernel and recompile
23:49<tr3buchet>yeah i hadn't used an ide hard drive for a while
23:50<Aleric>mplayer is segfaulting :(
23:50<RadWulff>really it work's
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23:50<tr3buchet>oh noes!
23:50<Aleric>Since I did apt-get update/upgrade
23:50<khalil>i've a mother that doesn't support SATA2 disks and my hhdd is SATA2
23:50<khalil>i've changed the jumper and now i can use it properly
23:50<RadWulff>centos 5 support sata2
23:50-!-freealan [] has quit [Quit: leaving]
23:50<RadWulff>carajo nadie me para bola
23:51<RadWulff>ja ja ja
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23:51<tr3buchet>i know what that is
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23:51<khalil>es algo que odio el soporte tecnico
23:51<khalil>nono para bola
23:51<khalil>parabola is another thing
23:51<RadWulff>parar bola en ecuatoriano es que nadie me hace caso
23:52<khalil>he wanted to say that anybody listened to him
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23:52<RadWulff>you are funny
23:52<khalil>che hay mucho quilombo haya con colombia?
23:52<RadWulff>la plea
23:52<khalil>aca se re habla de eso
23:52<khalil>un quilombo mal
23:52<RadWulff>y para el colmo trabajo junto a militares
23:53<RadWulff>solo reciben ordenes
23:53<khalil>yo conozco a una seniora ecuatoriana
23:53-!-cyt [] has joined #debian
23:53<khalil>re cambiando de tema :S
23:53<RadWulff>para alla se han ido bastantes de aca
23:54<khalil>es la unica que conozco por lo menos
23:54<RadWulff>estan estudiando en las mejores u de latinoamerica osea en argentina
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23:54<khalil>claro en la uba
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23:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:54<RadWulff>estan bien avanzados se van a ingenieria aeronautica
23:54<khalil>ah mira vos
23:55<khalil>let's continue in english
23:55<RadWulff>i work in the itsa
23:55<p_quarles>seriously people, can you stop wasting other people's time? if you want to speak spanish, go to the appropriate channel
23:55<khalil>i didn't know about it
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23:55<RadWulff>i'm sorry really
23:55<tr3buchet>oh question for the englishes
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23:56<tr3buchet>i've been using reiserfs. is this something i should continue to use?
23:56<khalil>i think it's good
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23:56<khalil>now i'm using ext3
23:56<RadWulff>i always have a duda
23:56<khalil>it's good for me but i think reiserfs is better
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23:57<RadWulff>where are the hackers??
23:57<khalil>i don't know
23:57<khalil>duda = doubt
23:57<RadWulff>where are the channel of hackers??
23:57<RadWulff>thanks i dont remember
23:57<tr3buchet>maybe #hax ?
23:58<tr3buchet>it isn't
23:58<khalil>i'm going to this channel
23:58<RadWulff>my english is very bad ja ja ja ja
23:58<khalil>don't worry
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23:59<khalil>today i've re done the test because i hadn't got througth it =(
23:59<RadWulff>ghood friends i'll have to let you
23:59<RadWulff>i'm so tired
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