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00:00<khalil>what time is there?
00:00<khalil>here is 2 AM
00:00<RadWulff>ha sido un gustaso
00:00<khalil>suerte en todo
00:00<RadWulff>here is 12:00
00:00<RadWulff>ojala nos topemos otro dia chau
00:00<khalil>ok see you later
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00:02<khalil>what are you doing tr3buchet?
00:02<khalil>do you have another problem?
00:02<khalil>i hope not
00:02<tr3buchet>i'm just deciding on a partition scheme at the moment
00:03<khalil>what fs will you choose?
00:03<tr3buchet>think i'll go with reiser, i've been using it for a while with good results
00:03<khalil>i advise you using ext3
00:03<tr3buchet>why's that
00:04<khalil>i recommend using ext3
00:04<khalil>but i didn't try reiserfs
00:04<amphi_>anything but reiser ;)
00:04<khalil>i always use ext3
00:04<tr3buchet>really? why's that?
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00:05<khalil>because i'm used to use ext3
00:05<tr3buchet>all i really did to choose was try ext3 xfs and reiser out and choose whichever was fastest
00:05<khalil>i don't want to change
00:05<tr3buchet>resiser performed best
00:05<amphi>tr3buchet: reiserfsck has been described as a 'horror reanimator' ;)
00:05<khalil>wait a minute
00:05<tr3buchet>a horror reanimator!?
00:05<tr3buchet>that just sounds dreadful
00:06<amphi>reiser is faster AFAIK, but speed isn't everything
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00:06<khalil>yes i prefer ext3
00:06<khalil>read the article in wikepedia
00:06<amphi>tr3buchet: read
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00:07<amphi>I had to do a --rebuild-tree once; it did actually work, but never again
00:08<amphi>if --rebuild-tree fails or is interrupted, the partition becomes unmountable, according to the man page
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00:09<khalil>it's very sensitive
00:10<tr3buchet>oh i see so it's a situation of logical vs physical journaling
00:11<tr3buchet>odd though. the power has gone out quite a few times and my other system with reiser never had any problems
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00:12<tr3buchet>haha i see the horror reanimator part
00:12<tr3buchet>thats great
00:13<tr3buchet>alright i'll use ext3 then. you guys win
00:13<amphi>xfs has also worked well for me, FWIW
00:14<amphi>tr3buchet: it's a shame, because reiser is damn fast; but it's too scary for me ;)
00:14<tr3buchet>now listen
00:14<tr3buchet>i am person to sit on a fence and go back and forth about the simplest things for days
00:14<tr3buchet>and here you come
00:14<tr3buchet>talking about horrors and fastness at the same time
00:16<amphi>horrors outweigh fastness IMHO, unless you don't care about your data
00:16<tr3buchet>how much faster we talking
00:16<amphi>get more ram, and enjoy the speed of file cache in ram
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00:16<tr3buchet>becuase after 2 years of reiserfs no issues seems safe
00:16<RIVE>So, in the end, what is better reiserfs or ext3?
00:16<tr3buchet>i've got plenty of ram
00:16<amphi>so go with reiser ;)
00:17<amphi>I would go with ext3
00:17<khalil>i'm using ext3 and i didn't have problems
00:17<tr3buchet>actually i'm reading an article right now which has some great benchmarks comparing several fs
00:17<tr3buchet>resiser doesn't seem faster than ext3
00:18<dpkg>reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs>
00:18<amphi>it was when I used it; I expect ext3 has caught up
00:19<amphi>jfs is another, but I haven't tried it
00:19<RIVE>I use Reiser, and only had one big problem, two years ago, electricity failure in a thunderstorm in the city where I live.
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00:20<tr3buchet>looks like the biggest difference is in the resulting size of disk after the fs gets built
00:20<tr3buchet>everything basically beats ext3 there
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00:26<tr3buchet>is this person just retarded? "I use reiserFS for the simple reason that when my box loses power I can get it up and running again in a few seconds or minutes." ?
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00:29<tr3buchet>ok i'll just ignore everything said and go with successor to the most ever used .ext3
00:29<tr3buchet>ok booting question
00:29<tr3buchet>2 disks, the first is another OS. the 2nd is debian. i do not need to create a boot partition correct?
00:30*Xenguy has heard too many 'rumours' about reiserfs to trust... ext3 works fine here
00:38<tr3buchet>what the hell..
00:39<tr3buchet>the automatic partition thing gave me 6.2GB of swap partition..? is that right?
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00:40<dli>tr3buchet, no, you don't need 6.2gb swap, get 1gb
00:40<tr3buchet>yeah thats what i was thinking..
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00:42<alaya>!ops Kendru is making unsolicited onjoin PMs
00:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: alaya complains about: Kendru is making unsolicited onjoin PMs
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00:53<tr3buchet>ok so ext3 right.
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00:53<tr3buchet>reserved blocks?
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00:58<prem>tr3buchet, is there a way to change my default WM in lenny?
00:59<yhlfh>hi, I use kde 3.5.8 on debian lenny/sid, but kde can't automount removable device. what's the problem?
00:59<prem>tr3buchet, by default it is metacity there a way that I can cahnge it..
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01:01<tr3buchet>Wm you mean window manager?
01:01<prem>tr3buchet, yes
01:02<tr3buchet>you set it in /etc/X11 i forget which file
01:02<Aleric>I updated and dist-upgraded testing
01:02<Aleric>and now nothing works anymore!
01:02<Aleric>Can't even start X
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01:03<Aleric>At first I found that mplayer crashed - so I recompiled the nvidia drivers, but couldn't start X anymore. No error messages.
01:03<Aleric>I can still start X for a single monitor using the nv driver, but things are not ok:
01:03<Aleric>Segmentation fault
01:03<Aleric>Segmentation fault
01:03<Aleric>Is anyone else having problems like this?
01:04<chealer>Aleric: nvidia-installer is not supported
01:05<Aleric>[07:03] <Aleric> I can still start X for a single monitor using the nv driver, but things are not ok:
01:05<chealer>yhlfh: how did you set KDE to automount removable devices?
01:05<Aleric>I am not using nvidia now.
01:05<Aleric>Things still crash
01:05<Aleric>(no doubt related to the real problem)
01:05<Aleric>There is some MAJOR bug in one of the debian packages now :/
01:06<Aleric>Probably glx related
01:06<Aleric>Damn I wish I could downgrade that last update :((
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01:07<yhlfh>chealer: from help:/khelpcenter/userguide/multimedia.html#removable-disks.
01:07<Aleric>Is there a way to see which packages where upgraded when, or last?
01:07<yhlfh>chealer: i can see hald, dbus-deamon, and udevd in ksysguard.
01:07<chealer>yhlfh: I don't have help:/khelpcenter/userguide/multimedia.html here
01:08<chealer>Aleric: more or less, yes.
01:08<chealer>yhlfh: any idea which package contains that file?
01:08<yhlfh>chealer: it says With KDE 3.5 and newer, devices can be automounted.
01:08<Aleric>chealer: How, please?
01:08<alaya>woohoo i got iwl3945 working finally!
01:09<chealer>Aleric: which package manager do you use?
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01:09<yhlfh>chealer: i don't know which package, i just installed kde and it was there.
01:09<chealer>Aleric: you can look at dpkg's log
01:09<Aleric>Where would that be?
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01:12<Aleric>Ok, I got them...
01:12<tr3buchet>i have a dual boot question, or rather a reaffirmation that i'm setting this up right. I have 2 drives. 1st drive is windows 2nd drive is debian. i should put a /boot partition on the 2nd drive and set it as bootable, and then install grub or whichever, then in the bios set the 2nd drive as the first boot device. After that i should be good to go correct?
01:15<chealer>tr3buchet: you don't *have* to create a /boot partition
01:16<tr3buchet>ok. in that case, should the / partition (on the 2nd drive) bootable flag be set to on?
01:17<chealer>tr3buchet: you could do it like that, but you could also install grub in the MBR. I think you don't have to worry, d-i should handle that fine.
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01:17<tr3buchet>oh i don't have to set any of the partitions as bootable if i instruct grub to use mbr?
01:18<prem>yhlfh, can you check whether pmount is installed properly..?
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01:18<jm_>tr3buchet: you'll want to because of your BIOS most likely
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01:18<yhlfh>prem: actually, i use pmount to mount removable media.
01:19<yhlfh>prem: since automounting doesn't work.
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01:22<tr3buchet>does it matter where you put your swap space?
01:23<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: it can
01:23<Aleric>Not really, if you use swap it's slow anyway
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01:23<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: if you're talking about where on a single disk, no, but if you're talking about multiple disks, or multiple types of disks, it can make a difference.
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01:24<tr3buchet>much thanks
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01:25<tr3buchet>what are sata disks labeled as?
01:25<tr3buchet>sda for example?
01:25<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: depends on the kernel
01:26<tr3buchet>current deb stable then
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01:26<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: should be sd?
01:26<tr3buchet>it's absolutely impossible for it to be IDE1 right?
01:26<dondelelcaro>it's possible if your bios is set to do some sort of sata to legacy conversion
01:27<tr3buchet>i have formatted an important disk before and caused much woe
01:27<tr3buchet>well it shouldn't be
01:27<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: if you're worried about it, check dmesg
01:27<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: you should also know what the size of your sata disk is, and fdisk -l; will clue you in to that too.
01:27<tr3buchet>i have 2 drives of the same make and size
01:27<tr3buchet>one ide, the other sata
01:27<dondelelcaro>tr3buchet: well, dmesg, then.
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01:29<josh>I can't get compiz fusion even installed
01:29<josh>wont start, using etch 4.0
01:29<jm_>tr3buchet: poke arround in /sys/block
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01:30<linux>È˺öà Ŷ
01:30<chealer>yhlfh: where do you have multimedia.html files on your PC?
01:30<tr3buchet>found the device serial numbers :D
01:31<dondelelcaro>yeah, that works too
01:31*dondelelcaro never knows his drive serial numbers, so never looks at them.
01:31<dondelelcaro>linux: could you kindly use utf8 or some other sensible encoding and ideally speak in english?
01:32<linux>¶Ô dondelelcaro ˵: china beijing
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01:32<dpkg>methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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01:38<Guest291>what repository should i use for compiz fusoin under debian etch 4.0????
01:38<dpkg>from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
01:39<dondelelcaro>Guest291: see above.
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01:39<linux>/server -m *** Welcome to CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)
01:39<linux>¶Ô dondelelcaro ˵: *** Looking up
01:39<linux>¶Ô dondelelcaro ˵: *** Connecting to
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01:40<yhlfh>chealer: searching
01:40<chealer>Guest291: none. it may be in Debian 5
01:41<tr3buchet>debian 5.. hmm is that any time soon?
01:41<thyhorror>Hello, *nods* . I have installed ndiswrapper for my wireless pcmcia card. it's running great. but when i reboot the system, i must run "modprobe ndiswrapper". I've run "ndiswrapper -m". but I'm guessing that was not enough to get it running right atm. any push in the right way of info would be helpful.
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01:41<jm_>thyhorror: man modules
01:41<dpkg>Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see
01:43<thyhorror>jm_: looks like what i was after , thank you.
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01:48<yhlfh>chealer: i cannot find it.
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01:50<chealer>yhlfh: did you try locate(1)?
01:54<yhlfh>chealer: updatedbing...
01:56<yhlfh>weird, debian has no locate installed default.
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02:09<yhlfh>chealer: /usr/share/qt4/doc/html/multimedia.html <-- this is all i can found.
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02:10<chealer>yhlfh: I guess that's not it. how did you get to that page?
02:11<yhlfh>chealer: khelpcenter, The KDE User Guide.
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02:12<chealer>yhlfh: and then?
02:12<dondelelcaro>yhlfh: primarily because locate is kind of useless
02:13<tr3buchet>am i out of luck with an nvidia 8xxx series video card?
02:13<chealer>dondelelcaro: kind of useless? what else do you use?
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02:15<dondelelcaro>chealer: find
02:15<yhlfh>chealer: then you'll see the contents, click 8. Multimedia With KDE
02:16<dondelelcaro>(and that's just because when I'd reach for locate I'm searching user files, not system files; for system files I use dpkg -S or an equivalent)
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02:19<yhlfh>dpkg -S multimedia.html --> qt4-doc: /usr/share/qt4/doc/html/multimedia.html
02:19<dpkg>Dingos ate my multimedia.html --> qt4-doc: /usr/share/qt4/doc/html/multimedia.html!
02:20<chealer>dondelelcaro: dpkg -S is better at searching packages than system files
02:20<gsimmons>tr3buchet: Which Debian suite are you using?
02:20<jm_>tr3buchet: of course not
02:21<chealer>trench: if you mean you're looking for 3D acceleration, yes.
02:21<chealer>tr3buchet: if you mean you're looking for 3D acceleration, yes.
02:22<chealer>yhlfh: ah 8. is "More help" here. I'll look at the english version.
02:22<tr3buchet>i'm using the latest stable
02:24<chealer>yhlfh: hum, I couldn't get it in english. do you have kde-i18n-engb installed?
02:26<chealer>yhlfh: even better, do you have a multimedia.docbook file somewhere?
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02:30<tr3buchet>well i give up for tonight. no X for me.
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02:31<gsimmons>tr3buchet: The Xorg 'nv' and 'nvidia' drivers available for installation in 4.0, do not contain support for GeForce 8 series. You can use 'vesa' however.
02:31<yhlfh>chealer: i don't have kde-i18n-engb installed.
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02:32<tr3buchet>so i'm stuck with vesa until debian 5?
02:32<tr3buchet>if thats the case i'm not even going to mess with db4
02:33<chealer>yhlfh: what about multimedia.docbook? I'm sorry this is getting so long.
02:35<yhlfh>chealer: maybe it's here: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/userguide/common
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02:36<chealer>yhlfh: no. do you mean /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/userguide/ ?
02:36<yhlfh>chealer: exactly.
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02:37<chealer>yhlfh: it's there on your machine?
02:37<matlads>do I need to download all the debian-update-4.0rX DVD isos? or is the most recent one enough?
02:37<chealer>yhlfh: BTW, locate is normally installed by default
02:38<yhlfh>chealer: there's no multimedia.html.
02:38<chealer>matlads: no. you don't need to download any.
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02:38<chealer>matlads: oh, sorry. ignore that
02:38<chealer>yhlfh: but what about multimedia.docbook?
02:39<matlads>chealer: the machine being updated is not connected to the internet, but needs updates.
02:39<Slydder>morning all
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02:40<yhlfh>chealer: no
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02:40<chealer>yhlfh: nowhere on the partition?
02:40<matlads>so I just get the most recent, thanks
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02:41<chealer>matlads: you see several?
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02:42<thyhorror>what is a good way to fix disk damage in etch? I keep getting a download error do to disk damage and was wondering if i can block that area. normally i just keep an image file i don't need in the area so i don't keep getting errors
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02:42<k3t>say i have this resolution problem, and i'm on etch minimal, do i need a fairly loaded system with the X environment before i can change the resolution to the way i want? (including for shell/terminal display)
02:42<yhlfh>chealer: just enter help:/khelpcenter/userguide/multimedia.html
02:42<yhlfh>chealer: in konqueror.
02:43<chealer>yhlfh: "Impossible de trouver le nom de fichier multimedia.html dans file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr//khelpcenter/userguide/multimedia.html."
02:43<matlads>on there is just one update DVD its 4.0r3
02:43<chealer>yhlfh: you probably have a package I don't have, but we'd need to find which file contains the page you see to determine which one.
02:43<matlads>some mirrors are carrying the 4.0r2, so i needed to be sure
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02:43<chealer>matlads: why the question?
02:44<chealer>matlads: ah, OK
02:44<matlads>chealer: thanks a lot
02:44<GhostlyDeath>There a GNOME app to play MIDIs?
02:44<k3t>btw... good evening everyone...
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02:45<chealer>k3t: no
02:46<k3t>ok, then now, i'm just completely lost
02:46<GhostlyDeath>Unicode Letters!
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02:47<losinggeneration>anyone else use pulseaudio?
02:47<yhlfh>lubas: 你怎么不去debian-zh?
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02:48<k3t>chealer really quickly, could you provide a name of something just to get me started?
02:48<yhlfh>lubas: english dude
02:49<chealer>thyhorror: huh...I suppose your drive is out of warranty?
02:49<chealer>k3t: no
02:50<sep>k3t, you want to change the resolution your X run in ?
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02:53<jm_>thyhorror: man badblocks
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02:53<yhlfh>chealer: you can look at /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/userguide/index.docbook. there's a chapter id multimedia.
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02:53<k3t>no, just my shell itself
02:54<k3t>btw, thank chealer anyways... =\
02:54<k3t>but just as an idea... at the shell login there's like this black border, and then, there's the box within/smaller in it...
02:55<k3t>box meaning my whole shell/terminal and all the other information... so basically i have a border on my screen...
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02:56<k3t>black border*
02:57<thyhorror>chealer: very out of warranty. jm_: again , thanks
02:57<yhlfh>chealer: i got it! /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/userguide/removable-disks.docbook
02:57<chealer>yhlfh: what do you use to open .docbook ?
02:58<yhlfh>chealer: less
02:58<GhostlyDeath>How could I make "timidity -iA -Os" automatically run at the start of Linux
02:59<dondelelcaro>!run at startup
02:59<dpkg>Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
02:59<chealer>jm_: badblocks can *fix* damage?
02:59<GhostlyDeath>thanks dpkg
02:59<dpkg>sure thing, GhostlyDeath
03:00<jm_>chealer: of course not
03:02<yhlfh>chealer: look at it. i have hald, dbus-deamon, and udevd. my system meets all the requirements, but automount doesn't work.
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03:04<niklas>&j #ubuntu
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03:06<chealer>yhlfh: ah...
03:07<chealer>"automount" is a strange name for "showing a popup offering to mount"
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03:07<yhlfh>chealer: what do you mean?
03:07<chealer>yhlfh: that's what you meant, right? you don't get a prompt offering you to mount your removable devices?
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03:08<yhlfh>chealer: partially yes.
03:09<yhlfh>chealer: i can't see the device in media:/ either.
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03:09<chealer>yhlfh: I see
03:10<yhlfh>chealer: so do you know why?
03:10*chealer 's book reads that automount means automatic mount
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03:11<chealer>yhlfh: which removable devices?
03:11<yhlfh>chealer: like my usb disk, flash disk.
03:12<chealer>yhlfh: but you can mount those manually, right?
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03:12<chealer>jm_: what do you mean then?
03:12<yhlfh>chealer: yes. but i have to enter commands.
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03:13<chealer>yhlfh: no idea. ask #debian-kde...but more clearly
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03:14<jm_>chealer: he wanted to avoid using damaged disk area so ...
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03:16<thyhorror>I should have said "disk damage problem" , but jm_ knew what i was mistaking at.
03:16<losinggeneration>is stat64 <bits/stat.h> used on 32 bit systems?
03:16<yhlfh>chealer: thank u .
03:16<chealer>jm_: ah, but can badblocks do that?
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03:17<jm_>chealer: badblocks + mke2fs/e2fsck can yes
03:17<chealer>jm_: I see
03:18<thyhorror>and i'm learning this . he left out the e2fsck , but i gots from man of badblocks
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03:35<yhlfh>lubas: they are in #debian-zh
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03:55<gene>anyone know anything about projectM in here?
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04:01<gene>Does anyone know anything about LIbvisual or ProjectM for ubuntu i have spent Hours researching it to no avail!?
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04:02<chealer>gene: if it's not about Debian, you're at the wrong place
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04:18<kmchen>hi. is it possible to find some help on debian install here ?
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04:19<Maulkin>kmchen: It is, yes.
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04:31<Woet>I would like to run a VPS on my server, what things should i think about? (Software, security)
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04:43<Woet>I would like to run a VPS on my server, what things should i think about? (Software, security)
04:43<engywuck_>VPS or VPN?
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04:43<Woet>virtual private server
04:44<petemc>you need to be told what to think about?
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04:44<Woet>Im asking what software you recommend for setting up VPS
04:44<Woet>and what to look out for
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04:44<petemc>i use xen
04:45<petemc>theres not much to look out for
04:45<engywuck>software or hardware-based vps?
04:45<petemc>engywuck: you can get hardware based virtual ?
04:45<Woet>petemc: got any link for me?
04:45<Woet>already looked for
04:45<Woet>google yourself on 'XEN'
04:45<Woet>not very good results
04:46<petemc>erm, what?
04:46<Woet>i get advertisements of juwerely.
04:46<petemc>ignore the ads
04:46<Woet>i mean
04:46<Woet>my results
04:46<Woet>are about juwerely
04:46<engywuck>In a hardware based virtualization, the virtualization mechanism partitions the real hardware resources. In typical implementations, no burst and/or realtime quota modification is possible; the limits are hard and can only be modified by restarting a virtual machine instance[
04:46<petemc>even the ads i see are for xen hosting providers
04:46<Woet>and watches
04:46<engywuck>according to wikipedia
04:46<engywuck>so Xen would be "hardware-based"
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04:46<petemc>no its not
04:46<engywuck>while OpenVZ et al software-based
04:46<vsmatck>There haven't been very many security breaches that allow users to break out of the virtual server. There was one in vmware recently that allowed people to use the SMB share features to navigate the host file system but that was fixed quick.
04:47<vsmatck>to answer earlier question.
04:47<Woet>i will just install XEN then
04:47<vsmatck>Most of the virtual machine softwares support VT extension. VirtualBox, Vmware, Qemu. Those are the ones I know of that does.
04:47<vsmatck>oh Xen too :)
04:48<riganta>Hi guys, would unstable be more recommended than testing ?
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04:49<vsmatck>that's like a "would you rather have sex with your mother, or father" type question.
04:50<qq->riganta: pour fair quoi ?
04:50<vsmatck>On the one hand testing doesn't get security updates until they roll down from unstable, on the other unstable breaks more than testing.
04:50<engywuck>i wouldn't use sid for powering Space Shuttles Computers ;-)
04:50<dondelelcaro>riganta: no
04:50<engywuck>if you're concerned about security use etch
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04:51<engywuck>sid *can't* be secure due to it's constant changing including new, untested, buggy software
04:51<vsmatck>I'd choose ubuntu if you want bleeding edge packages and a system that probably won't break.
04:52<vsmatck>I hope that's not sacrilege to say that here. :)
04:52<engywuck>who said "the problem with bleeding edge software is that it let's the user/administrator bleed"?
04:52<riganta>I have used etch rc2 and rc3 and now testing. There are more compatibilities problems with testing and I was advised to move up to sid
04:53<riganta>and a few people told me to use Ubuntu as well :)
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04:53<riganta>I must say compatibilities problems link to my architecture amd64
04:53<chealer>vsmatck: testing can get security updates not going via unstable
04:54<riganta>etch being quite difficult to manage especially with amd64 but it is my favorite
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04:55<vsmatck>chealer, doh I must have misunderstood. I recall reading it in the FAQ. I will look it up again.
04:55<engywuck>how's the situation in etch with backports?
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04:56<chealer>vsmatck: it didn't some time ago, but things have changes
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04:56<vsmatck>chealer, ahh! Thank you for the information bro.
04:58<vsmatck>etch is pretty recent right now, it got released last december IIRC. Probably not much need for backports unless there's some new thing you absolutely must have.
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05:00<riganta>well, I wanted to use etch rc3 but my main problem was gnash on my amd64
05:02<riganta>in order to be compatible with flash technologies i needed to have gnash installed. Gnash has to many problems with the version 0.7.2
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05:02<riganta>the 0.8.1 is fine though
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05:02<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
05:03<riganta>but to install the 0.8.1 on a ETCH RC box that was my main problem
05:03<vsmatck>doh, wrong again. It's April. I suck tonight.
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05:03<riganta>that is why i decided to move up to testing
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05:05<riganta>but then i read in the FAQs that it would be better to use sid instead of testing because of newest technologies and whatnot
05:09<riganta>and then on testing had e few unsolved problems (due to my lack of knowledge in linux) on RTL 8139 (reaktek) and a GDM segment fault
05:09<riganta>which i didn't have on etch rc2/rc3
05:10<riganta>which i don't have on my second amd64 box either
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05:10<vsmatck>hmm, personally I just don't like messing with my computer too much. I don't mind spending many hours initially configuring it but I like it to just stay working after that point to where I don't have to mess with it.
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05:11<GhostlyDeath>GDM always segfaults on shutdown
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05:12<riganta>GhostlyDeath: Yes only on shutdown
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05:13<riganta>do we know why?
05:13<riganta>I have been looking all over the place for a response to that question for about a week now
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05:14<GhostlyDeath>riganta: That wasn't a question, it was a fact D:
05:14<dondelelcaro>riganta: check the bts, and or turn on coredumps and get a backtrace. Most likely it's something double freeing or similar.
05:15<riganta>the weirdest part is that on my other amd64 it doesn't do it
05:16<riganta>which is the exact same box running debian testing
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05:16<dondelelcaro>actually, see #462997
05:16<dondelelcaro>if that's what you're seeing, provide more information to the bts
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05:19<riganta>dondelelcaro: sorry for asking ( i am in a learning curve at the moment) but what is bts ?
05:20<gsimmons>!tell riganta -about bts
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05:24<riganta>thanks a lot for all your help I really appreciate it
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05:29<ilf>any way to determine the fastest mirror?
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05:31<ilf>ah netselect-apt :)
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05:39<alonso>hola pedro
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05:40<amapola>hola hola
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05:40<alonso>ola pedro anda ligero
05:40<MI_CA_MI_QUI>ya estoy aqui
05:41<engywuck>sorry, not speaking latin-derived languages
05:41<jm_>are spanish retards back?
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05:41<jpepe>yo tambien estoy aqui
05:41<victor>how can I make grub automaticly choose the newest Linux kernel?
05:41<engywuck>please so gibe ve enough status so i may kb them... :)
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05:41<archi>hola como estais agustito con mucha marcha
05:41<MI_CA_MI_QUI>hola p.pte estoy viendo
05:41<maragato>ya estoy
05:42<jm_>victor: doesn't update-grub put the latest first
05:42<engywuck>grub usually has the newest kernel (highest number?) at top
05:42<alonso>ola isabe dime argo
05:42<ipastrana_>si que me acuerdo pero yo lo pase tan mal alli que no me quiero a cordar
05:43<amapola>aber siadibinai quiensoi
05:43<jpepe>ol juan como te fue en viaje
05:43<victor>jm_, yes it does. but I want to skip that screen for choosing.
05:43<victor>so how can it be done?
05:43<jm_>victor: it does that too by default (read help about timeout option)
05:43<MI_CA_MI_QUI> maria luisa ya esto aqui
05:43<pirri>hola que tal estais
05:44<ipastrana_>vicor y tu quien eres
05:44<noflash>english please
05:44<victor>jm_, where can i find the timout option?
05:44<alonso>benga isabe queno tebeo
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05:44<jm_>victor: info grub
05:44<victor>or where is the help document?
05:44<victor>ok, thanks
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05:44<pirri>juan tu eres del betis
05:44<alex_bornos>ya estoy
05:44<jpepe>ola francico.aqui estoi
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05:45<MI_CA_MI_QUI>pirri tu eres pedro
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05:45<jpepe>olkaestoi vien
05:45<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
05:45<alonso>que tepasa an tonio que notebeo
05:45<Dinamizadora>hola chicos yo saoy Maria JEsus
05:45<amapola>andar lijero que nostenemos que marsa
05:46<pirri>hola lola que tal te va esto
05:46<archi>mañana sera otro dia ivamos ahechar de menos las clases
05:47<alex_bornos>te puedo hablar grigo
05:47<Dinamizadora>la semana que viene las clases vuelven a la normalidad
05:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:47<Dinamizadora>los lunes y los miércoles vale??
05:47<RichiH>Dinamizadora: #debian-es please
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05:47<jpepe>ola mari.luisa.quien.soi.yo
05:47<alonso>mi ca mi qui es pedro luis
05:47<Dinamizadora>one moment, please
05:48<MI_CA_MI_QUI> maria luisa no te escucho pero te veho
05:48<pirri>isabel noto que eres la mas lista
05:48<amapola>archi tu ereslola
05:48<archi>join/ #debian-es
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05:49<alex_bornos>quien de vosotros va hoy a la reunion de las labores
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05:49<alonso>antonio tuere an tonio
05:49<jpepe>ola.antio.aves si save que.soi
05:49<MI_CA_MI_QUI> maria luisa no soy pedro soy mi ca m qui
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05:49<@RichiH>oh, wait, it is those guys
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05:51<Woet>why are opers always invisible on this network? :-/
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05:51<victor>jm_, i can't find anything helpful concerning the issue in the info page.
05:51<RichiH>Woet: because there is no need to wear ops all the time?
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05:52<jm_>victor: install grub-doc
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05:55<victor>ooffice keeps trying to recover a file it crashed on, I have to use ooffice -norestore every time in order to start it normally, how can this trouble be saved?
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05:56<victor>Can i just delete some temperory files so that it won't try to recover again?
05:56<victor>If so, where are these temp files located?
05:57<Woet>oh, oops
05:57<Woet>it is at your options
05:58<Woet>Settings -> -> Paths
06:01<victor>W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 033431536A423791
06:02<victor>above is what bash said after I ran apt-get update.
06:02<victor>what does this mean?
06:02<victor>Is anything wrong?
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06:03<qq->nont to you , to
06:03<riton>You need to add gpg key
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06:04<engywuck>or just use as untrusted source and always get the warning... :)
06:05<engywuck>!2006 key
06:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, 2006 key is apt ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -
06:05<engywuck>try sth like that described here
06:07<riton>victor : just type the following CL :
06:07<riton>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 033431536A423791
06:07<riton>gpg --export 033431536A423791 | apt-key add -
06:08<riton>Thats it
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06:11<victor>gpg: requesting key 6A423791 from hkp server
06:11<victor>gpg: keyserver timed out
06:11<victor>gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error
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06:12<Maulkin>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -
06:12<Maulkin>!apt-key 033431536A423791
06:12<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 033431536A423791 ; gpg --export 033431536A423791 | sudo apt-key add -
06:12<Maulkin>Follow that :)
06:14<victor>. .. .ICE-unix ssh-WomOpJ2903 .X0-lock .X11-unix .xfsm-ICE-EO6E7T
06:14<victor>back to the office-recovery-crash question.
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06:15<victor>above is what ls -a displays in /tmp
06:15<victor>I have no idea which one belongs to ooffice.
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06:16<victor>vim save a .swp file when it crashes, and it's easy to delete, so future recovery can be avoided if you want.
06:17<victor>what kind of file dose openoffice save when it crashes?
06:17<victor>and where exactly are they located?
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06:19<qq->in swap partition ?
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06:25<qq->or /home/victor/.vim for vim and /home/victor/.ooo or so for openoffice
06:26<victor>got it.
06:26<victor>/home/username/.openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/ org/openoffice/Office/Recovery.xcu
06:26<victor>found it in ubuntu forum.
06:27<victor>actually I find ubuntu forum is a good place for finding debian information.
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06:30<manning>i have a question about port forwarding. when i use port forwarding on my router to forward the common server ports (80, 21, 3389, 27015) the connections never go through. Once I enable the DMZ to that system though, all the connections work fine. The port forwarding settings are extremely simple, so I don't know where I'm making a mistake.
06:30<manning>I'm using a Linksys WRT54GL with the Tomato firmware if that helps.
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06:32<qq->victor: please install mc , so you can "see" the hide files in debian
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06:32<victor>qq-, thank you.
06:33<victor>qq-, what do you mean by "see"?
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06:34<qq->victro see=you can access / move / change ...
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06:37<victor>so they are like ordinary files.
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06:38<qq->all in unix are files
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06:39<qq->even/except some binary ?
06:41<engywuck>well, directories are not files
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06:41<engywuck>if they were *real* files a copy of a folder to a place that has a folder with the same name would not put the files of the new to the old folder
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06:42<engywuck>but overwrite it
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06:44<qq-> hfs
06:45<Zathras>after using aptitude on Etch to install libapr1-dev and related packages I suddenly get out of the blue:
06:45<Zathras>E: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (100)
06:45<Zathras>E: Prior errors apply to /var/cache/apt/archives/uuid-dev_1.2-1.39+1.40-WIP-2006 .11.14+dfsg-2etch1_i386.deb
06:46<Zathras>and all following actions of apt and aptitude fail for all packages
06:46<Zathras>with complaints about gzip, tar etc
06:46<Zathras>any ideas how/why this happens and how to fix it please?
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06:47<amphi>Zathras: odd; perhaps try apt-get clean, and install again
06:47<Zathras>apt-get clean && apt-get-update && apt-get upgrade does not do the trick
06:48<tubb>what about aptitude purge ... && aptitude install?
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06:49<Zathras>tubb, does not make sense as I also have these issues without apritude now: apt-get behaves the save way
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06:52<Zathras>aha. I think I know what the problem is
06:52<Zathras>the PATH is foobar
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06:52<tubb>try using aptitude with multiple -v's to increase verbosity. maybe then you get a better error message.
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06:53<tubb>or/and apt-get, for that matter
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06:54<Zathras>ty, but I fixed it. It was a PATH issue
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07:13<Woet>how could it be that apache spawns around 20 processes (/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start) which all use around 5.0 cpu?
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07:16<k3t>anyone know if vbeprobe has anything to do with resolution?
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07:18<Woet>how could it be that apache spawns around 20 processes (/usr/sbin/apache2 -k start) which all use around 5.0 cpu?
07:18<azeem>kurumin: no spamming, please
07:18<azeem>5.0 what?
07:18<Woet>5.0 cpu
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07:18<Woet>(when looking at ps aux)
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07:18<azeem>cpu is not a unit
07:18<Woet>it is on my ps aux list
07:19<azeem>or do you mean they all use 5 CPUs?
07:19<azeem>that'd mean you'd have 1000 CPUs
07:19<Woet>i look at ps aux, and below '%CPU' it says 5.0
07:19<azeem>so 5 %
07:19<Woet>guess so
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07:20<azeem>Woet: so is apache doing work? How many CPUs do you have?
07:20<azeem>what does "uptime" say for the last three numbers?
07:20<Woet>load average: 2.71, 1.54, 0.78
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07:20<Woet>and apache is working, but just to display a small page
07:20<Woet>and i have 1 1GHz CPU
07:21<azeem>Woet: check you access.log then, maybe you're getting hammered with HTML requests
07:21<Woet>its a local server, which can be used by a maximum of 4 people
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07:21<azeem>then tune your apache2, dunno
07:23<tubb>i'd say the the cpu usage is normal, considering the processor
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07:25<Les_paul>some one german here??
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07:26<azeem>oops, too late
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07:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:27<dpkg>hello, azeem
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07:31<engywuck>if an easy question: query me, LesPau
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07:35<engywuck>another if-nobody-answers-before-I-even-asked one
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07:36<Woet>a server IDLE is giving 0.39
07:36<Woet>as a load average
07:36<Woet>how could that be caused?
07:37<Woet>nothing weird in ps aux
07:37<engywuck>tried powertop?
07:37<azeem>is powertop available on etch?
07:37<engywuck>good question :)
07:38<engywuck>i use it but can't remeber if self-installed
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07:40<engywuck>how to find out in which repo a packet is originated?
07:40<azeem>apt-cache policy might tell
07:41<engywuck>ok, it's in backports
07:41<engywuck>did help
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08:15<tgh>anyone online?
08:16<Maulkin>Nope. No one's here. It's just you
08:16<tgh>i really have to know how can i make flash under deb
08:16<tgh>yeah nice
08:17<tgh>swf sux
08:17<tgh>the one from adobe si only for 32-bit and .. i`m stuck
08:17<Maulkin>oh ffs...
08:17<Maulkin>hang on
08:18<dpkg>flash is probably frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
08:18<tgh>gnash ?
08:18<dpkg>well, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project.
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08:21<kmap>tgh: FWIW, nspluginwrapper may help
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08:30<Zathras>looking at Mirian Ruiz's blog might too
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08:30<ddd>OI QUEM TA AI
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08:31<Zathras>now that was informative. Would not have want to missed that for the world
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08:32<m4steR>how can I deactivate gdm?
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08:33<qq->cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
08:33<qq-># /usr/bin/gdm
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08:34<m4steR>qq and now?
08:34<tgh>i hate flash
08:34<qq->edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager so
08:34<qq-> # /usr/bin/gdm
08:35<m4steR>qq-, i have to delete that line?
08:35<m4steR>ah no, comment
08:35<m4steR>thx a lot
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08:37<Baggy2>Anyone familiar with this device node: /dev/fusion/0 ?
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08:39<qq->exactly what ?
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08:53<noflash>Xx_van_van__xX, please don't do that
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08:57<noflash> /ignore -replies Xx_van_van__xX
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08:57<Woet>just ban him ?
08:57<azeem>eh, they left
08:58<Woet>ban him incase he comes back?
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08:58<azeem>please carry on
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09:01<sun>hi im trying to rip a dvd with 2 audio streams, mencoder produces an avi with one of them, how do i tell it to select the other one?
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09:03<asc>Hi, I'm a clueles newbie trying to compile truecrypt, which is itself trying to compile fuselib. It's giving me an error "/usr/include/fuse/fuse_common.h:30:2: error: #error Please add -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to your compile flags!". So, uh, where should I put that?
09:03<azeem>swo: please turn of public away
09:04<azeem>asc: why do you compile in the first place?
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09:04<swo>azeem i am not away
09:04<asc>azeem: Because it's not in synaptic and the only package I saw was x86
09:04<Woet>[15:02:12] * swo is away: Zur Zeit nicht da.
09:04<Woet>[15:02:21] * swo_weg is back.
09:04<Woet>turn that off.
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09:05<swo>i just hit the button
09:05<Woet>dont hit it then
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09:05<swo>it was a mistake
09:05<azeem>swo: then just apologize and carry on, no need to argue about it
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09:06<asc>alternatively, does anybody know how to get it to compile libsomething when libsomething-dev is installed?
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09:06<wo0f>whats the syntax for chmoding a folder to 777 ?#
09:07<azeem>asc: what package do you need exactly and for which architecture?
09:07<asc>azeem: libfuse for x86_64
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09:07<azeem>asc: why do you need libfuse?
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09:08<DTE>hi all
09:08<asc>azeem: Because when I try to compile truecrypt, truecrypt tries to compile libfuse. I believe libfuse is used to mount encrypted filesystems.
09:09<DTE>i have a very strange problem with etch and networking
09:09<Aleric>asc: CFLAGS="-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" ./configure ...
09:09<DTE>i've set up a little cluster (2 nodes) and given two virtual ip address with iproute
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09:09<asc>./configure: No such file or directory :\
09:10<DTE>when i scan the VIP with nmap the server becomes unusuble and all the connections and services stop
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09:11<asc>Aleric: If you know how to get it to compile the files in a lib*-dev package, that might also work.
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09:12<Aleric>asc: without customizing it...
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09:13<asc>Aleric: Thanks.
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09:16<shevek>On the wiki there's a template for applying as a student in a Summer of Code project. Where should I send such an application?
09:16<DTE>uhm...i found the problem...shorewall...anybody configured shorewall on a cluster?
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09:19<dEm0s>hey, im new to linux, i wanted to download debian but am not sure wich one i need. I have an intel 64x machine, could sokmeone please link to the version i need? Thnak you
09:22<shevek>dEm0s: For intel 64bit, I think you need ia64. However, if it's "intel-compatible" amd, then you need amd64. I don't know much about it though, as I have only 32bit machines myself.
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09:23<dEm0s>Thanks, il try the ia64.
09:24<themill>dEm0s: did you pay > $10k for that machine?
09:24<dEm0s>lol, i padi £400
09:25<azeem>then it's not ia64
09:25<themill>dEm0s: chances are it's not ia64 then... that's a high end server arch.
09:25<themill>dpkg: ping
09:25<azeem>shevek: "intel 64bit" is really misleading...
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09:25<dEm0s>ohh, its an intel t2330
09:25<asc>well that would explain why that install CD didn't work
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09:25<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
09:25<asc>good thing I had an amd64 netinstall cd sitting around
09:25<themill>dpkg: you're slow
09:25<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
09:25<shevek>azeem: I recalled hearing something like that before here, that's why I was a bit cautious. ;-)
09:26<azeem>shevek: well, in this channel, it's probably safe to assume people want amd64 and never mention ia64
09:26<fizzmahon>guys i have an assignment i did for school and im on the last step but im confused. i created a filesystem in a file and then mounted/modified. but now it says "Close the filesystem". do you think that just means unmount it?
09:27<shevek>azeem: Ok, I'll remember that. :-)
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09:27<shevek>fizzmahon: Seems reasonable. What else could they mean?
09:29<fizzmahon>shevek: not sure. wish they would have just said. "unmount it" =P
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09:34<victor>could anyone please recommend a presentation tool other than ooimpress?
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09:34<victor>I find ooffice tools very slow on my computer,
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09:34<victor>which is quite old.
09:34<victor>with only 256m ram.
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09:35<victor>are you kidding?
09:35<victor>I am using debian.
09:35<dEm0s>yes, lol
09:35<themill>I use latex-beamer
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09:35<themill>victor: slow to develop the presentation or slow while presenting too?
09:36<victor>slow while booting and presenting.
09:37<themill>you could export from ooimpress to PDF and then present the PDF using xpdf or whatever.
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09:37<themill>victor: but latex-beamer is a lovely package for doing presentations.
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09:38<victor>is latex-beamer compatible with ppt?
09:39<victor>and what about mgp?
09:39<victor>have you ever used mgp?
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09:45<azeem>victor: it's not compatible, it uses PDF for rendering
09:45<azeem>so it's, erm, compatible with Acrobat Reade
09:46<victor>ok, thank you.
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09:46<n00bsh>hi guys, howdy?
09:46<azeem>mgp is not compatible to anything
09:46<victor>azeem, have you ever tried pptview on debian?
09:46<azeem>if you disregard its rather crappy PDF export
09:47<n00bsh>i have some problems installing the ati driver.. when I install, in the end of installation, I got some errors. When I enter in the log says "Precompiled kernel module version mismatched". What can I do?? Thanks!
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09:49<YAPDog>Is it possible to turn ipv6 off when doing a preseed install?
09:49<YAPDog>I know I can do it after and reboot again but that feels wrong
09:49<miksuh>n00bsh: how did you install ati drivers ? (fglrx)
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09:50<n00bsh>miksuh I get from ATI site, log as root and ./
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09:50<miksuh>n00bsh: well you caopuld have installed tghem from debian repository too using module-assistant
09:51<n00bsh>is the lastest version?
09:51<miksuh>no, but do you really need latest version?
09:51<n00bsh>hm, I want run compiz
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09:52<n00bsh>and in compiz forum the guys says I need the lastest driver
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09:52<jc_linux>Good Morning
09:54<jc_linux>n00bsh where are you from ?
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09:55<jc_linux>me too
09:55<n00bsh>to be true, now im in portugal :P
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09:55<n00bsh>dalhe! :D
09:55<jc_linux>a muito tempo em Portugal ?
09:56<DTE>anyone using shorewall?
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09:56<n00bsh>1 ano brother! e ae, como anda o nosso pais?
09:57<DTE>i've already asked but nobody i just ask if anybody is usign it
09:57<azeem>dpkg is lagging today
09:57<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
09:57<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:57<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:58<themill>What's the poor thing using? a 2400 modem...
09:58<DTE>when i scan the VIP with nmap the server becomes unusuble and all the connections and services stop
09:58<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
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10:05<n00bsh>anyone can help me? I cant install ati drivers ;)
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10:12<dr_Gonzo>do you speak hungarian?
10:13<dpkg>rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
10:13<dr_Gonzo>ahh, thx
10:13<dr_Gonzo>amatőr vok még
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10:18<pak>I just installed Ubuntu and would like to know how I can update so I have the compfiz thing with the rotating squares?
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10:19<n00b>howdy? ;) anyone wants help me to install the ati driver? I got some errors here..
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10:19<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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10:21<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method.
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10:21<n00b>!fglrx one-liner
10:21<dpkg>rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
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10:23<pak>whats the ubuntu server?
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10:27<DaCapn>pak what channel do you think this is?
10:28<AzaTht>in ImageMagick 6.3.7 I'm getting "convert: unable to access configure file `thresholds.xml'."
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10:29<Aleric>Where can I download old .deb packages from?
10:29<Aleric>I need gs-esp 8.15.3.dfsg.1-1
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10:30<dpkg>[snapshots] Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit
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10:44<JasonF>Hi all, I'm having some trouble getting tomcat5.5 working on a fresh etch installation. I keep getting errors that the "subprocess exited". Apparently, the initscript for tomcat5.5 is failing in a fresh install.
10:44<JasonF>My problem looks related to:
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10:52<Woet>i would like to do a stress test with my server
10:52<Woet>how to get the load really high?
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10:56<hathe>Woet: cpuburn for example
10:57<Woet>and anything which doesnt burn my cpu?
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10:58<Woet>and how to run it?
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10:59<Woet>that clears my screen..
10:59<Woet>i want to start cpuburn
10:59<Woet>if you cant offer decent help, you could just shut up
10:59<Woet>thank you
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11:00<ppaya>watch if the process are running ps -A
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11:01<Woet>i just wanna know how to start cpuburn
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11:03<noflash>Woet, man cpuburn ?
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11:04<Woet>noflash -> try it yourself
11:04<Woet>doesnt contain any info how to run it
11:04<ppaya>see /usr/share/doc/cpuburn/README
11:04<noflash>I don't have it installed
11:04<noflash>Woet, don't be so effn lazy and try to help yourself
11:05<Woet>i tried man
11:05<Woet>i tried --help
11:05<Woet>i tried google
11:05<Woet>what else would you recommend?
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11:07<ppaya>cpuburn are not suport for all cpus. In some machines try running it for more time is dangerous
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11:08<Woet>it doesnt even get above 80% cpu
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11:08<ppaya>so try it -> apt-get install cpuburn
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11:08<Woet>i mean
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11:08<Woet>i start it
11:08<Woet>and it doesnt even get above 1.0 load
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11:18<piju>how to set totem to use x11 output ?
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11:20<Guest334>...... aha..... da bin ich also . . . . Tach auch
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11:21<Guest334>why this ?
11:21<piju>how to set totem to use x11 output ?
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11:24<Guest334>how does this work ?
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11:24<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:24<Guest334>thx :-)
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11:37<Aleric>ARgh *cry*
11:37<Aleric>I can't start X anymore :(
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11:38<Aleric>I downgraded all packages since it worked, but that didn't make a difference :/
11:38<Maulkin>Aleric: put more petrol in it!
11:38<Maulkin>Let go of the stop button!
11:39<Maulkin>Have you checked it's spark plugs?
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11:40<petemc>let the choke out
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12:05<MethodOne>when I to compile gnash from source on the powerpc version of debian etch , I get the following error:
12:07<MethodOne>this happens on 0.8.2 and today's cvs version
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12:10<Maulkin>MethodOne: use a backport instead?
12:10<Maulkin>MethodOne: /msg dpkg bpo
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12:12<MethodOne>the backport doesn't work very well
12:12<MethodOne>the backport version is only 0.7.2
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12:14<MethodOne>the site that i'm trying to using gnash with is youtube
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12:15<engywuck>unsing flashplugin-nonfree is not possible?
12:16<MethodOne>i'm on a powerpc machine
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12:16<engywuck>k then
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12:20<suiside>MethodOne: won't work, gnash is equal to something like flash version 7 and the player youtube uses requires version 9, you can grab the flv:s and play them with mplayer though, or use miro which also is nice
12:21<MethodOne>i'll just use youtube-dl
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12:27<ohcibi>can someone explain me this: the part after ARCHOS\ 105 appears if i want to autocomplete with tab
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12:40<deavid>hi 2 all
12:40<deavid>one question
12:41<deavid>I need a custom LiveCD with the latest kernel, for restoring the GRUB MBR, because a Windows installation erased it
12:41<deavid>And the CDROM drivers a are only in the newest kernels
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12:42<deavid>(is a very strange motherboard)
12:43<deavid>I think that must exist some prebuilt ISO's. But don't I know where to go and download them
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12:43<deavid>Anyone knows?
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12:46<LUNARDI>I need install apache.. I remove files apache2.conf and cannot install or uninstall
12:46<stevino>mm, I need to ask for your help... again! :( dist: lenny; ati drivers correctly installed but 3d acceleration not in place. should I install additional packages? any idea?
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12:46<suiside>deavid: tried SystemRescueCD?
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12:48<stevino>note: I need 3d acceleration for working, not for gaming
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12:49<Engywuck>added correct drivers+extensions in x configuration?
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12:51<stevino>engywuck: hi, I am not sure what you mean. I have installed the package xserver-xorg-video-ati and in the xorg.conf file I set "ati" as my drivers
12:51<stevino>but still no 3d
12:51<Engywuck>for 3d acceleration sometimes/always is adding of the correct extension necessary
12:51<Engywuck>long ago i did it for my card (nvidia)
12:52<Engywuck>but then i had to add glx or sth like that
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12:52<stevino>I don't know about extesions. I am a bit of a beginner, could you give me more info?
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12:52<Engywuck>ok, no help here :)
12:52<dpkg>hmm... glx is OpenGL Extension to the X Window System
12:53<stevino>btw, my graphic card is an ati radeon x600-se
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12:53<Engywuck>just because your driver is capable of 3d acceleration the xserver doesn't necessarily know about it
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12:53<stevino>so how can I "activate" or install such extension?
12:54<Engywuck>try this
12:54<Engywuck>and the links there
12:54<deavid>Can I get a SystemRescueCD with a recent Linux kernel?
12:55<stevino>engywuck: thanks I'll have a look
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13:03<stevino>hey could you please send me the link again?
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13:08<stevino>noflash: thank you
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13:08<stevino>engywuck: unbelievable; it was just enough to install the package libgl1-mesa-dri
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13:09<stevino>i am really a stupid novice... what a frustration (i spent three days for nothing)
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13:10<Engywuck>simple problems need the most time
13:10<stevino>engywuck: thanks, really!
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13:18<ivucica>i'm trying to compile a 2.4 kernel on debian lenny
13:18<ivucica>there's no depmod.old anymore
13:18<ivucica>any ideas how to generate modules.dep or w/e?
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13:24<Engywuck>2.4 for lenny? why that?
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13:27<cjac>can I use variable definition/evaluation in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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13:29<cjac>or do I need to throw that type of stuff in /etc/interfaces/if-*.d/* ?
13:29<pswart>Wies is aar
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13:30<cjac>or maybe the 'script' option...
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13:36<cjac>no, it looks like 'up /path/to/up/script' and 'down /path/to/down/script' is the way to go
13:37<wolie>how to you use RCS to get a diff to look like this:
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13:40<DeFender1031>hello, i'm trying to install debian on an acer aspire 5920g with a nvidia geforce 8600m gt graphics card. I installed kde, kdm, and xorg, but the screen goes blank when it starts up kdm. Is this a driver issue?
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13:41<Engywuck>what's the log of Xserver starting?
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13:42<Engywuck>perhaps you need to do some sort of
13:42<DeFender1031>remind me how to check that
13:42<Engywuck>/etc/init.d/?dm stop
13:42<Engywuck>startx 2>&1 > /tmp/starx-log
13:42<Engywuck>or sth like that
13:43<Engywuck>can't remeber if X gives useful output in /var/log somewhere
13:43<amphi>Engywuck: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:43<Engywuck>hey, why do it the easy way? :)
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14:11<bgat>anyone seeing this on 2.6.24-1-amd64?
14:11<bgat>drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.c: ftdi_tiocmget Could not get modem status of device - err: -19
14:11<bgat>I see it over and over again after using a USB serial device for a while.
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14:16<blanel>Hi! I just installed a fileserver and I've got a few questions regarding mounting and Samba. Anyone up to help me? :)
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14:18<blanel>My problem consist of: I've got a fileserver clients can connect to with the correct user and password. I want it to be as low power as posible so I want the harddrives only to be mounted when someone is logging in and then unmounted on logout. Is it possible?
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14:19<blanel>Is anyone else here?
14:20<craigevil>usually yes
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14:20<andrej>can someone tell me i i install the new kernel form sid dep. on lenny must i upgrade some other programs or everything is going to work normal ?
14:21<blanel>I've got a fileserver clients can connect to with the correct user and password. I want it to be as low power as posible so I want the harddrives only to be mounted when someone is logging in and then unmounted on logout. Is it possible?
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14:24<blanel>is everyone just idle connected, can't see what I'm writing or just utterly ignoring it?
14:24<mzhang>dli: there?
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14:24<dli>mzhang, hi
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14:25<blanel>hullo :P
14:25<mzhang>dli: if I ssh some server, then the connection was lost, how to get out the ssh session and back to my original terminal?
14:26<mzhang>dli: it seemed to me that I had to close the window, therefore lost all the command histories stuff.
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14:26<dli>mzhang, you may try x11vnc, like remote desktop
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14:27<dli>mzhang, no way to get ssh session back still, I think
14:27<mzhang>dli: that's too sad... thanks any way.
14:27<blanel>I've got a fileserver clients can connect to with the correct user and password. I want it to be as low power as posible so I want the harddrives only to be mounted when someone is logging in and then unmounted on logout. Is it possible?
14:28<blanel>Sorry if its a noobish question, but I couldn't find any documentation on the matter
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14:31<filip>Hi, I have a problem with hdparm, when i hdparm -C on one of my disks, it says that drive state is standby, although the disk is fully active :S What could the problem be ?
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14:32<zarchne>I've got a firewire card that isn't showing up in lspci on a particular etch machine, even though it show up on other machines and even in knoppix on the same machine.
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14:34<ohcibi>hi folks... when i call "aptitude update" or "aptitude safe-upgrade" or "aptitude show <package>" it behaves like i was hitting return about 20 times (which i did not).... does someone knows what could be the reason?
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14:35<zarchne>ohcibi: You mean it always takes the default response?
14:35<Joido>does anybody know why newer kernels than 2.6.22 did not make it to Lenny yet?
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14:36<ohcibi>zarchne: thats the bad side-effect, but there are trueley 30 (just counted) <CR>.. after aptitude stops there are 30 lines of my prompt, like i was hitting return 30 times
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14:38<zarchne>ohcibi: as if your keyboard were stuck. Terminal emulator? XInput method? Actual keyboard?
14:38<chealer>Joido: yes
14:39<Joido>chealer: gimme your secret, please :-)
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14:39<ohcibi>zarchne: right, as my keyboard were stuck (watch this: using urxvt, dont know what xinput method is, keyboard is normal 105+multimediakeys logitech-board (ps2-connected)
14:39<chealer>Joido: t
14:39*Joido thinks about that riddle
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14:40<WASSUP>I have a question, I have Debian lenny with gnome. When I install k3b a big quantity of pack from kde install with it
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14:40<blanel>I've got a fileserver clients can connect to with the correct user and password. I want it to be as low power as posible so I want the harddrives only to be mounted when someone is logging in and then unmounted on logout. Is it possible?
14:41<WASSUP>in others menu appears too many applications of kde desktop
14:41<Engywuck>k3b relies on kde libs etc
14:41<Joido>chealer: can you give a second hint, please? :-)
14:42<chealer>Joido: the Linux team never requested linux-2.6 to be updated since then. it needs hinting by the release team.
14:42<WASSUP>yep, I assume that. But It install many applications like setup de access, wallpapers, samba, fonts etc
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14:42<Engywuck>samba is non-kde
14:42<Joido>i was asking to avoid possible trouble, when i go to build a custom kernel to try out the new scheduler
14:43<WASSUP>Look like if I had the preferences of kde
14:43<Joido>my hope is that default settings make my desktop system more responsive with the new code
14:44<ohcibi>WASSUP: just use "aptitude show <package>" to look if there are dependencies on kde/gnome-libs, sometimes the dependencies are only recommendations
14:44<ohcibi>and then decide wether to install the package or not
14:44<Joido>the settings that affect that scare me too much to try modifications
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14:44<ohcibi>-wether +if 8-)
14:44<Engywuck>k3b depends on kdebase-bin
14:44<blanel>I've got a fileserver clients can connect to with the correct user and password. I want it to be as low power as posible so I want the harddrives only to be mounted when someone is logging in and then unmounted on logout. Is it possible?
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14:44<p_quarles>WASSUP: is the problem just with the menu? edit it with alacarte
14:44<Engywuck>no wonder you get much of kde with it :)
14:45<ohcibi>zarchne: u got any ideas about my <CR>s??
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14:46<WASSUP>yes, but if I remove from menu I continue having many packets that I won't use
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14:46<blanel>If no one knows answer to my question, do you know any messageboards I can check? :)
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14:46<Joido>blanel: what kind of fileserver do you talk about?
14:47<blanel>Just a simple fileserver for home use
14:47<WASSUP>ohcibi, how can I install only the neccessary and not the recommendations
14:47<Joido>blanel: what hardware does it use?
14:47<Engywuck>kdebase-bin itself has many dependencies
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14:47<Engywuck>depends means it *needs* this package
14:47<p_quarles>WASSUP: apt only installs dependencies unless you tell it otherwise
14:47<ohcibi>WASSUP: thats a good questions... man aptitude will help may be
14:47<Engywuck>recommendations are sometimes installed, too
14:48<Engywuck>the latter are deletable :)
14:48<blanel>Not really serverhardware. Its got a stockstandard (but pretty old) MoBo, a harddrive and the distro is run from flashdrives
14:48<Joido>blanel: the point why i am asking this is, that energy saving techniques depend on a few things. and maybe you can save more energy with another method than spinning down your hdd's
14:48<blanel>P2 or P3 processor and around 128 mb RAM
14:48<chealer>WASSUP: not anymore. dependencies are installed by default starting with lenny.
14:48<p_quarles>Engywuck: wouldn't that only be the case with metapackages (fake dependencies, etc.)
14:48<blanel>ah yes
14:49<blanel>We are gonna cut down on as much as possible. Just checking if there is a possibility of that to (harddrives)
14:49<Joido>blanel: the problem with the hdd's is that an idle system still has hdd activity at times
14:49<blanel>an unmounted hd aswell?
14:49<Engywuck>not necessarily p_quarles
14:49<Engywuck>I've seen it install recommended ones
14:50<Engywuck>not on command line, though
14:50<Joido>blanel: you cant unmount the root filesystem, so the hdd is in use anyways
14:50<chealer>uh, sorry WASSUP
14:50<chealer>p_quarles: not anymore. dependencies are installed by default starting with lenny.
14:50<WASSUP>Engywuck, kdebase-bin have many dependencies, but is it normal that applications for setting up fonts, wallpapers, colours etc
14:50<blanel>But the root filessytem is on the flashdisks
14:50<Joido>blanel: well you can, if you run the root filesystem elsewhere than on your hdd
14:50<blanel>I've run the computer without the harddrive so the problem isn't that
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14:51<Engywuck>hmmm, that should be part of kdebase, not kdebase-bin if i see it correctly in my aptitude
14:51<blanel>I got 1gb usb flashdrive for / and 256mb flashdrive for swap. Harddrive is only used for boot.
14:51<ohcibi>as i installed gimp with command line it installs _a lot_ of gnome-deps.... now i'm going to build it for myself
14:52<Engywuck>but it depends for example on libfontconfig
14:52<Engywuck>which depends on fontconfig-config
14:52<Joido>blanel: the question i am wondering about at the moment, if the work you put into a solution costs more than a theoretical energy saving effect - with old hardware. maybe you should check whether a modern embedded device would do a much better job
14:52<Engywuck>which depends on ttf-dejavu or other fonts
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14:53<blanel>What were you considering? :)
14:53<Engywuck>an EEE :)
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14:54<WASSUP>okis, I understand. I just arriving in debian. When I used ubuntu and installed k3b this quantity of applications weren't installed
14:54<blanel>Joido: If I were to use the old hardware, what would I have to do?`
14:54<Joido>blanel: i am not very familiar with such solutions, but i heard the ventor Lantronix does such things
14:55<p_quarles>WASSUP: you can check dependencies using 'apt-cache depends k3b'
14:55<p_quarles>you can safely uninstall anything that is listed as either suggested or recommends
14:55<Joido>blanel: with old hardware, hm. one moment
14:55<blanel>Joido: Is there no softwaresolution? A script perhaps or something?
14:55<Joido>blanel: have a look at this project:
14:56<Engywuck>yeah, I think too that debian's policy for "depends on" is sometimes a little ... wide
14:56<Joido>blanel: they kind of use the technology you need either way
14:56<Engywuck>but you could use gentoo if you only want minimal installation :)
14:56<WASSUP>thanks for all the answers
14:56<Joido>blanel: especially their WIKI and FAQ
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14:57<blanel>Joido: Thanks. I'll have a look and come back here and bother people again if I'm at loss :)
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14:58<Joido>blanel: thats what this place is for, i hope i was not distracting you too much with my humble opinion :-)
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14:58<blanel>Joido: No no... Just wondering if there is no software solution that is simple
14:58<blanel>Joido: I mean I got debian running and can connect to the machine from my xp machine.
14:59<Joido>blanel: there is. but its a bit more complicated than it seems. but the specialized debian project uses those things you need
14:59<blanel>Joido: Ok
14:59<blanel>Joido: So theres no simple way of mounting filesystems from XP in Linux then XD Bummer
15:00<Joido>blanel: of course, there is. but not in the context "i want to have spinned down hdd's most of the time"
15:00<Joido>that makes it much more complicated
15:00<blanel>Joido: Ah. But in what contex is it possible?
15:01<Joido>blanel: on a desktop system you can have that easily with auto mounts and a bit of scripting
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15:02<blanel>Joido: but in a console system its harder? I mean, the root system will never be powered down. Its just the share mount I want to power down
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15:03<Joido>blanel: when you export a filesystem, lets say via samba, then i dont know how the windows client could tell the linux server when it does not need access or when it does need access. you know what i mean?
15:04<blanel>Ah. I see.
15:05<Joido>blanel: so you kind of need a mechanism on the server that allows it to go to sleep when its idle
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15:06<blanel>Joido: Yeah. So you mean maybe that the filesystem is mounted always but asleep if idle?
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15:06<Joido>blanel: yep
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15:07<xpl>i have problems with intel 82801G sound card
15:07<blanel>Joido: I'll try googling that idea for a while. Thanks :)
15:07<Joido>blanel: :-)
15:08<xpl>when i configure alsa and everything, and start speaker-test it peeeps as long as i dont exit speaker-test
15:08<xpl>it does play some noise, like it should, but it also peeps
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15:09<xpl>is anybody familiar with the problem? i googled it, and tried everything i found
15:09<xpl>but it didnt help
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15:18<_ZeuZ_>guys, how can I set iptables to ignore all IPs from ethX?, so I can later add a rule where only a designated IP:MAC pair will be allowed for an IP?
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15:21<ZeuZ>Anybody round?
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15:26<dkr>configuring firewalls is not really something you can without reading the docs
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15:27<ZeuZ>dkr: i've read the documentation, just don't get how to set the default policy on register
15:28<ZeuZ>as for the rest, I´ve got it done allready
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15:31<qq-><_ZeuZ_> iptables -A INPUT -i INTERFACE(replace that with your interface) -s TO BLOCK) -j DROP
15:31<qq-><_ZeuZ_> RTM...
15:31<dkr>default policies are set with the iptables -P command
15:31<ZeuZ>qq: take time to ask what I need.
15:32<ZeuZ>I do not want to block each ip.
15:32<ZeuZ>I want to block them only if they don't come from a determinated mac source.
15:32<ZeuZ>So I want to set the default policy on DROP so I can later add the exeptions
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15:35<qq->sorry , don\t know
15:35<matthewpoer>does anyone know what kicker/panel that darn gOS is running? Supposedly it runs enlightenment, but i can't find any panels for enlightenment
15:36<ZeuZ>matthewpoer: no idea, but it does look cool
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15:36<matthewpoer>any ideas on how to figure out, other than downloading/burnig/trying the live cd?
15:36<ServerSide>mh. I search to convert a Flash music to a .mp3, any idea?
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15:36<matthewpoer>ServerSide, ffmpeg can covert things that way, I think
15:37<ServerSide>yeah I think so, But i didn't found howto.. :S
15:37<devil>matthewpoer: its called shelf
15:38<matthewpoer>ffmpeg -i input.flv ouput.mp3
15:38<matthewpoer>shoudl work
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15:38<qq-> ffmpeg -i flash flash.mp3
15:38<matthewpoer>devil, is it ... around? or just on gos so far?
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15:38<devil>matthewpoer: it is around, but i have no idea of gos
15:39<devil>matthewpoer: shelf is the e name
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15:40<matthewpoer>oh, it's aka is 'ibar' - part of e17, but not 16 (thus not in deb repos)
15:40<matthewpoer>heh, or ubuntu... i guess gOS is first to package it?
15:41<p_quarles>matthewpoer: gOS is e17; there are a couple other e17 distros as well
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15:42<p_quarles>OzOS and geubuntu, off the top of my head; the OzOS developer also maintains a repo for installing e17 .debs
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15:44<matthewpoer>oh, that OzOS is sexy..
15:44<zarchne>Is there anything that can happen in initrd phase of boot that can affect whether a PCI card (1394 in this case) show up in lspci later on?
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15:59<knoppix_>you suckkk
15:59<xpl>who me?
15:59<knoppix_>ur kool
15:59<knoppix_>i think..
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15:59<noble->I'm having horrible problems with this new wireless router I got
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16:00<Guest357>wtfis this
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16:00<Guest357>this is weird
16:00<xpl>will sun-java5-jdk work on amd64 debian?
16:00<GhostlyDeath>Guest357: THIS IS SPARTA!!
16:00<Guest357>ohh yeahh
16:01<dkr>!tell xpl about sunjava
16:01<Guest357>where yall from
16:01<GhostlyDeath>[New] Jersey
16:01<dirk>I think I've a virus here?!!!!!! my home folder is slowly going out of space left.......
16:01<dkr>this isn't a social channel
16:01<Guest357>michigan here
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16:01<Guest357>dkr really? what is it?
16:01<dirk>I removed about 3 gig and nog it's slowly going to null!?@!@!????
16:02<xpl>belgrade present
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16:02<amphi>dirk: /home is a separate partition?
16:02<dirk>amphi, yes
16:02<Guest357>what is this
16:02<amphi>so it's not a log bloating
16:03<xpl>!tell what is this
16:03<dkr>Guest357: it's a support channel for debian, the linux distribution
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16:03<xpl>dpkg said: No, I won't.
16:03<dirk>What can I do, I think my /home folder is full now?!?!
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16:03<xpl>!tell Guest357 what is this
16:03<xpl>he wont tell
16:04<matthewpoer>SO if I'm running enlightenment 16 on etch, what should I use for my system tray?
16:04<dkr>xpl: !tell only works with known factoids :)
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16:04<xpl>dkr: i know, i just tried :P
16:04<amphi>Guest357: factoids
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16:04<Guest357>whats that
16:04<_ZeuZ_> >>>>>>>>> Anyboduy sees any error there?
16:04<dkr>pieces of information the bot has in memory
16:05<dpkg>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
16:05<amphi>Guest357: that was one ;)
16:05<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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16:05<xpl>dkr: so how does dpkg tell us what is this?
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16:06<xpl>is there such factoid?
16:06<Guest357>any1 from MI?
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16:07<dkr>Guest357: do you have a debian-related question?
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16:08<Guest357>never heard of it..
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16:08<ifvoid>amphi: please don't feed the troll
16:08<Guest357>nahh im good
16:08<themill>!tell Guest357 about knoppix
16:09<_ZeuZ_>Guest357: That's what this channel is for?
16:09<Guest357>whats uppp
16:09<ifvoid>don't you people recognize a troll when you see one?
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16:09<xpl>debian is up and running
16:10<dkr>ifvoid: it took me up to the "debian? never heard of it" to realize he was a troll. I'm slow :)
16:10<Guest357>are yall smart?
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16:10<_ZeuZ_>Shall we all add him to the ignore list? :) hahah
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16:13-!-mode/#debian [+q Guest357!*@*] by Ganneff
16:13-!-Guest357 was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [if you never heard of it - why are you here. go out. thanks.]
16:14<themill>thanks, Ganneff.
16:14<hachi>during an apt-get dist-upgrade sometimes it asks me if I want to overwrite a conf file that has changed
16:14<hachi>what is that system called? is it whiptail?
16:14<k-man>how do i install the ATI drivers?
16:14<k-man>for xorg?
16:14<themill>!tell k-man about fglrx one-liner
16:14<GhostlyDeath>!damn Python GTK Applications
16:14*dpkg sends Python GTK Applications to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
16:14<ifvoid>k-man: apt-get install fglrx-driver
16:14<ifvoid>k-man: although there are also free drivers now
16:15<themill>(for some cards)
16:15<GhostlyDeath>They never work! says I'm missing the libraries when they are installed
16:15<hachi>what are the free drivers called?
16:15<k-man>ifvoid, are the free ones any good?
16:15<seanius>hachi: dpkg does it natively, but there's also ucf
16:15<hachi>ahh, okay
16:15<ifvoid>k-man: depends on what you want to do
16:15<ifvoid>k-man: they're a lot less buggy, IME
16:15<hachi>I'm trying to find a way to make it STOP ASKING ME
16:15<ifvoid>k-man: but they are also still missing some features
16:16<hachi>it's always wrong, but more than that, I'm always tired of answering
16:16<hachi>okay, not always
16:16<hachi>like 95% of the time
16:16<k-man>ifvoid, hmmm...
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16:18<seanius>hachi: for dpkg managed conffiles you can force to keep the old ones
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16:21<hachi>hee heee, so for part of this
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16:21<hachi>I can divert ucf to another location, and parse the input myself
16:21<hachi>see if I want to make an automatic choice, log it, whatever
16:22<hachi>and exec the real ucf if I don't
16:22<hachi>is there already anything that does this? I certainly don't want to duplicate work
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16:43<GhostlyDeath>How do I set a processes' affinity in Debian w/ GNOME?
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16:47<themill>There's taskset in schedutils. Don't know of a gnome interface for it though, you'd have to write one.
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17:00<xpl>can i play .ram files in rhythmbox?
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17:01<xpl>(you know, for radio over internet)
17:01<dkr>if you have the real codecs installed
17:01<xpl>do you know a name
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17:01<xpl>the name of the package i need to install
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17:02<themill>w32codecs from dmm, I believe
17:02<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
17:03<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
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17:10<chrono>you should look for debian multimedia
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17:11<themill>chrono: he's long gone
17:12<chrono>themill: sorry
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17:12<themill>chrono: no problem... just thought I'd save you talking to yourself!
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17:13<chrono>themill: lol, it's not so boring , sometimes you can
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17:13<themill>we've been known to have conversations with the bots during a quiet moment in here....
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17:14<rolf>moin kennt sich jemand mit webcams in laptops aus??
17:14<chrono>themill: I didn't know that, I will try it later
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17:14<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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17:23<Kebianizao>I'm trying to build a 32bits app on a pure 64 bits system, the build system is quite simple and it's just a gcc command
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17:24<Kebianizao>gcc -O2 -Wall -m32 `pkg-config gstreamer-0.10 --cflags` -ldl `pkg-config gstreamer-0.10 --libs` -shared -fpic gst.c gstfakevideo.c -o
17:24<themill>"just a gcc command"....
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17:24<GhostlyDeath>Just a GCC command!?
17:24<Kebianizao>this fails because gcc looks for a 64bits system library
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17:25<Kebianizao>:O well, most perl one liners are worst than this ;)
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17:25<themill>Perl is a write-only language much of the time...
17:25<Kebianizao>thing is that I added some -L to search into a 32bits chroot I have, but it still fails
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17:26<Kebianizao>I'll post the full output for this one
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17:26<Kebianizao>how could I force to use the dirs indicated with -L rather than the "standard" dir?
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17:28<themill>can you just build it inside the chroot
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17:29<Kebianizao>umm, well... certainly I could, but a) I want to learn how to do this and b) I'd need to download some amount of packages I won't need anymore
17:30<themill>fair call.... I'm a lazy bastard and like the path of least resistance.
17:30<Kebianizao>least resistance==least time?
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17:31<themill>hopefully :)
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17:32<themill>dargol: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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17:32<Kebianizao>a) was first because I do want to learn
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17:33<Kebianizao>also I forget to mention that I did that on another 32bits system and I thought I had upload the binary to a server, but I didn't :S
17:33<Kebianizao>that was the least resistance path, but no it isn't any longer :)
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17:45<Kebianizao>thanks && bye
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17:50<j2rre>Hi all! Anyone can help me out with a web server related question?
17:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
17:51<j2rre>Sorry :)
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17:52<zarchne>And don't apologize!
17:52<j2rre>Is there a performance difference between serving a file that consists of several page includes vs. reading the same info from a database?
17:53<zarchne>On the other hand, if your question is really an apache question...
17:53<j2rre>Apache it is indeed.
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17:54<dkr>the answer is obvious though. :) "It depends"
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17:56<j2rre>Basically I'm trying to lessen the load on the MySQL server so that it's not MySQL server slowing the server down.
17:56<j2rre>Let's suppose I have thousands of page/database requests any given second
17:57<themill>j2rre: I'd prefer a couple of SSI #include statements being substantially faster than db connections, lookups etc
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17:57<themill>j2rre: you can always use ab (apache benchmarking tool) to test it out
17:57<dkr>mysql can quite often more efficiently serve data than a filesystem can, e.g. with a ram query cache and various other optimizations, but again, depends on a lot
17:58<themill>kernel keeps a file cache too :)
17:58<j2rre>themill, thanks, I'll try that
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17:59<dkr>with 1000/sec you should try to avoid hitting the disk at all. disable .htqccess (several disk stats per reuqesta) etc.
18:00<j2rre>Ah, good point.
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18:01<j2rre>How much memory should I have on the server so that it doesn't go sluggish under the load?
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18:01<zarchne>Depend on your working set.
18:01<j2rre>I'm setting up a new server.
18:02<dkr>ram per child*number of children needed to handled peak concurrency
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18:03<dkr>read the apache performance tuning docs, has advice for stuff like ram calculations
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18:04<j2rre>dkr, thanks, will do that.
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18:08<Aleric>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
18:08<Aleric>Anyone who can tell me how to fix that?
18:09<themill>Add Load "glx" to Section "Module"
18:09<zarchne>in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:10<Aleric>I already have that
18:10<themill>zarchne: ah yes... that would be a vital piece of information to add :)
18:11<themill>Aleric: any warnings etc in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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18:12<zarchne>Does it say that when DRI isn't working?
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18:13<Aleric>themill: No warnings
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18:13<Aleric>restarting X ...
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18:16<Aleric>Ok, glx works...
18:16<Aleric>But still no direct rendering.
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18:17<chrono>Aleric: Myabe you can try to use glxinfo to see if you have direct rendering enabled.
18:17<Aleric>I did, that's why I know it isn't enabled.
18:18<Aleric>direct rendering: No
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18:18<chrono>Aleric: ok, which vidcard do you have ?
18:18<chrono>soryy I lost the previous part
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18:18<Aleric>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GTS
18:19<Aleric>I'm trying to use the nv driver, because the nvidia drivers totally stopped working (I suddenly couldn't start X anymore)
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18:19<Aleric>Absolutely no idea why that stopped working :((
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18:20<chealer>Aleric: the nv driver doesn't provide direct rendering.
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18:20<chealer>Aleric: the nv driver doesn't provide direct rendering.
18:21<chrono>Aleric: nv driver does not have DRI
18:22<Aleric>Why not?
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18:27<chealer>Aleric: ask its authors
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18:28<themill>ask nvidia, more likely...
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18:38<Aleric>When I play a movie with mplayer with the nvidia driver, the movie is automatically scaled up to fill my screen. Now I'm trying the nv driver, and the movie stays small in 'full screen mode', with a black border around it. Is that normal?
18:41<petemc>sounds like the difference between -fs and -fs -zoom
18:41<chrono>Aleric: that's because you are not using the xv driver for mplayer or xine as well
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18:43<ptr>Question: how do I add to my sources.list? The directory structure inside debian/ is nonstandard.
18:43<ptr>and the site itself doesn't document what a correct sources.list line would look like.
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18:45<Aleric>chrono: I don't understand
18:45<Aleric>What should I do to get it to work again?
18:45<themill>ptr: what are you hoping to gain by that?
18:45<Aleric>Man it sucks to only have one monitor :( I don't see the xchat window when I'm doing something.
18:46<hachi>can I take an existing package and mark it as uh.... "required" on the local machine?
18:46<hachi>like openssh-server
18:46<themill>!wayttd hachi
18:46<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, hachi?
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18:47<hachi>prevent openssh-server from being uninstalled by a human
18:47<chrono>Aleric: you can try to use the terminal with an IRC in text mode
18:47<hachi>I like the thing apt does.
18:47<hachi>You are about to do something potentially harmful.
18:47<hachi>To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
18:47<hachi>I'd like to make that happen on arbitrary packages :)
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18:47<Guest370>how are you
18:47<dpkg>Guest370: pretty good. how about you?
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18:47<Aleric>chrono: How can I get mplayer to show a movie fullscreen? It used to work fine before :/
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18:47<themill>hachi: which human is going to uninstall openssh-server?
18:48<petemc>Aleric: did you see what i typed?
18:48<hachi>themill: irrelevant to my inquiry
18:48<hachi>you're trying to tell me why I don't need this
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18:48<Aleric>petemc: Yes, but I don't understand. Why would it always zoom before when using nvidia, and not when i use nv ?
18:48<themill>hachi: correct. we don't deal in hypotheticals here
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18:49<hachi>that's why I gave you a concrete question
18:49<hachi>can I mark an arbitrary package as 'required'
18:49<hachi>you asked me for the hypothetical, which meant you wanted to hear it
18:49<Aleric>Is there anyone here who uses the nv driver? What do you (need to) do to get mplayer to show a movie fullscreen?
18:49<hachi>don't ask it if you don't want it
18:49<petemc>Aleric: did you see what i typed?
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18:49<chrono>Aleric: how did you install the nvidia driver ?
18:49<themill>hachi: not that I know of, but that often/usually means you're doing something wrong or approaching the problem the wrong way. /msg dpkg xyproblem
18:50<Aleric>petemc: Yes, but I didn't understand what I should do
18:50<petemc>mplayer -fs -zoom foo.avi
18:50<ptr>themill: Sorry---I was following the instructions on gstreamer's website, which stated that the latest release of gstreamer hadn't hit experimental yet, and listed that repository.
18:50<hachi>I know the xyproblem theory
18:50<ptr>That information is out of date.
18:50<Aleric>chrono: I didn't anymore - that is totally broken with totally unknown reason.
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18:50<hachi>I'm running into situations where an operational team of people decide to do something... write a script
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18:51<Aleric>The nvidia drivers have worked fine for years for me, but suddenly as of yesterday, I can't even start X anymore with them :(
18:51<hachi>use cfengine, etc.
18:51<hachi>and this system or person decides to do something stupipd
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18:51<hachi>like remove the sshd
18:51<chrono>Aleric: I use the nv driver, with a gforce 440 mx, I use xine-ui with xv setting on
18:51<themill>hachi: you could hash together a meta package that depends on various things like that... they'd then have to remove that too ;(
18:51<hachi>and I'm looking for a way, as the person who knows that this package is necessary to force dpkg/apt/aptitude to help enforcce this
18:51<themill>hachi: but it sounds like you need a bigger cluebat
18:52<hachi>indeed I do
18:52<hachi>but the deed is already done
18:52<hachi>the cluebat has been swung
18:52<hachi>now I'm trying to apply engineering to try and prevent it from happening again
18:52<hachi>the package dep suggestion feels right
18:52<chrono>Aleric: I c
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18:52<hachi>but can I mark a repo-less dpkg file as a certain importance?
18:52<themill>hachi: a meta package with priority essential would cause apt to bitch about removing it, iirc
18:53<petemc>hachi: perhaps mess with the prerm script
18:53<hachi>I thought the importance was enforced by the package repo
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18:53<hachi>petemc: that would get overwritten on upgrade, sadly
18:53<themill>hachi: it's easy to make your own repo for such things.
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18:53<chrono>Aleric: try to remeber what you update yesterday or before
18:53<hachi>good point, but maybe I'm also wrong
18:53<hachi>that's why I was saying that
18:54<hachi>I was curious if you knew the answer
18:54<hachi>gives me an excuse to run 'the girls' here ;)
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18:56<themill>hachi: the package priority is indeed listed in the repo Packages file... reprepro is a good tool for throwing together a repo if you want to go down that path. /msg dpkg nmg
18:57<hachi>I already have a pool/repo manager actually :)
18:57<hachi>wrote it from scratch like... 4 years ago
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19:02<chealer>themill: the authors are at NVIDIA...
19:03<themill>chealer: are they? I thought nv was mostly a reverse engineered effort which was why it was pretty much only 2D. nvidia doesn't have much of a rep for being opensource friendly.
19:03<chealer>themill: "Copyright (c) 2003 - 2007 NVIDIA, Corporation "
19:03<Aleric>I can't run UT2004 either anymore :((
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19:04<themill>chealer: nice... so maybe nvidia isn't so deeply evil after all?
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19:04<chealer>themill: nv isn't really opensource friendly neither. it's source is obfuscated.
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19:04<Aleric>When I try to run UT2004, I get:
19:05<Aleric>Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
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19:07<Aleric>Does that mean the nv driver doesn't support running UT2004?
19:07<Aleric>I have no idea what is all broken when using the open source driver :(
19:07<chealer>Aleric: yes. UT 2004 requires direct rendering.
19:08<chrono>Aleric: yes
19:08<Aleric>So, I just NEED to use the nvidia drivers?
19:08<Aleric>There is no alternative?
19:08<chrono>Aleric: but and Intel card
19:08<chealer>Aleric: if you want to play UT 2004 on a NVIDIA card, yes.
19:09<Aleric>Well, the 1 million dollar question is then: why did it all of a sudden stop working?
19:09<chealer>Aleric: "it"?
19:09<Aleric>Yes, like I can't start X anymore.
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19:10<chrono>Aleric: Bye I have to go,
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19:10<Aleric>I was working happily, playing ut2004, or watching movies on my dual head with TwinView.
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19:11<Aleric>I was, in fact, working on a HOWTO and getting firefox to work with java in some way.
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19:11<Aleric>I didn't do anything special, since the last time I watched a movie, expect running 'apt-get update & dist-upgrade'
19:11<Aleric>At one moment I wanted to watch a movie again, but mplayer segfaulted.
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19:12<petemc>dist-upgrade is pretty special
19:12<Aleric>Well, just upgrade often doesn't install new pacakges that are needed.
19:12<crazyb0y>hey, can anyone tell me a good web dns control for bind with user control?
19:12<chealer>Aleric: did you install the nvidia drivers using nvidia-installer?
19:13<Aleric>Anyway - because I thought it was video driver related, I recompiled/reinstalled the nvidia drivers as I've done 1000 times, and restarted X... that is, I tried to. Haven't been able to restart X since.
19:13<Aleric>I use debian packages (.deb)
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19:13<Aleric>But I rebuild them from source/scratch whenever needed.
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19:14<chealer>Aleric: did you already use nvidia-installer on that machine?
19:14<Aleric>No, never.
19:15<Aleric>I did that on my previous machine and that gave me a totally unusable machine at one point :/ ... I hoped this wouldn't happen again by using debian + .deb packages instead of nvidia's installer :/
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19:16<Aleric>I did roll back the last apt-get dist-upgrade too by the way (already didn't see anything that could cause this actually), and indeed, that made no difference.
19:17<Aleric>I have no idea what this could be
19:18<Aleric>But well... I'm going to retry nvidia again :/ ... Can't think of anything else.
19:18<chealer>Aleric: did you verify the integrity of installed package files (debsums)?
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19:21<ptr>This is probably the wrong place to ask, but I'm not sure what the right one is... does anyone know if it's possible to clip off the end of an mp3 without having to decode/reencode it?
19:21<Aleric>I have deb lines for unstable as well as testing, is there a way to see which packages that I have are from unstable instead of testing?
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19:22<chealer>Aleric: yes (apt-show-versions)
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19:26<Aleric>debsums output:
19:27<Aleric>Anything I should do there?
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19:28<Aleric>I don't know what REPLACED means... the only thing that appears weird are the /usr/bin/x* executables at the end that are 'replaced'
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19:28<chealer>Aleric: indeed. no idea how you got that?
19:29<Aleric>What does REPLACED mean?
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19:42<gr33ni3r>fine you?
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19:42<gr33ni3r>nothing going on here?
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19:45<ptr>okay, question:
19:46<ptr>I have a file that has a colon in the name. I want to scp it to another machine.
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19:46<ptr>no amount of escaping seems to prevent scp from assuming that the colon means that the preceding part of the path is a hostname.
19:46<ptr>how is this accomplished?
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19:47<Aleric>ptr: put the host name infront of it?
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19:47<ptr>Aleric: tried, and failed.
19:48<giojotoca>hello Aaleric
19:48<dondelelcaro>ptr: what's the exact command that you're using?
19:48<giojotoca>how are you?
19:48<dpkg>mas o menos, giojotoca
19:48<gef>replace the colon with a ? perhaps
19:48<ptr>scp localhost:sample:347717.mp3
19:48<ptr>gef: ugh
19:48<ptr>gef: still,
19:48<Aleric>giojotoca: My machine is horribly broken :(
19:48<ptr>that may solve this problem :) thanks
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19:49<ptr>that didn't do it
19:49<ptr>the wildcard is expanded by the shell to :, which is what scp sees
19:49<ptr>so, no dice.
19:49<gef>boo shell expansion
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19:49<dondelelcaro>ptr: yeah, scp is kind of lame in that regards. Just use rsync or similar.
19:49<Aleric>I'm going to see if I can restart X like it's now, after what I did :/
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19:50<Aleric>Ok, so far so good.
19:50<dondelelcaro>ptr: that said, you probably shouldn't be using : in file names either, since it's invalid on some platforms.
19:51<Aleric>I only have 'testing' packages now, updated and upgraded, and debsums seems to be ok, except for the weird list of REPLACED ...
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19:51<ptr>or 'mv sample:12345.mp3 foo; scp foo remotehost:; ssh remotehost mv foo sample:12345.mp3
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19:51<Aleric>Going to try nvidia again...
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19:51<dondelelcaro>ptr: or just cat sample:12345.mp3 | ssh remotehost 'cat - > sample:12345.mp3', yes.
19:52<ptr>dondelelcaro: unfortunately, not my call
19:52<ptr>yah, that works
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19:52<dondelelcaro>I'd really just use rsync, though... far better than scp.
19:53<ptr>dondelelcaro: thanks.
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19:57<ptr>hmm.... also, does anyone know if the latest release of gstreamer has been packaged for etch?
19:57<ptr>looks like the build-deps for the version in experimental end up pulling in a newer libc6 anyway...
19:57<dondelelcaro>ptr: it'd be a backport most likely, and it'd be on bpo if someone did it (or otherwise findable via google)
19:57<ptr>okay. I'll look. Thanks.
19:58<ptr>no matches. Sad.
19:58<ptr>okay, well, I'll see what I can do.
19:58<Supaplex>simple sid backport ftw
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20:02<Mrangry>hi all
20:02<Mrangry>I have a quick question about GCC
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20:06<fabio>hi there
20:06<fabio>i'm going to install kde 4 from the experimenatl repo
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20:06<Mrangry>do you know anything about GCC?
20:07<fabio>why ?
20:07<see-g__>Mrangry: skip the metaquestions and go ahead with your real question; that makes helping you much much easier
20:07<Mrangry>I'm trying to compile some source
20:07<fabio>i have only 512 mb ram
20:07<Mrangry>I need to know how to make executables with GCC
20:08<fabio>gcc file.c o file
20:08<fabio>gcc file.c -o file
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20:09<fabio>do you have to compile the source debian way ?
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20:09<fabio>get the source, do dpkg-source and dpkg-buildpackage
20:09<ugaucho>hi there
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20:09<Mrangry>It's an IRCd that I'm trying to compile
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20:10<ugaucho>hey men! i have a trouble with geforce6600 / xorg
20:11<ugaucho>when i boot... ubuntu go always in 640*480
20:13<ptr>So, I want to build libgstreamer0.10-0 under etch... but it depends on a newer version of dpkg-dev.
20:13<fabio>ubuntu ?
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20:13<ptr>which, in turn, depends on a newer dpkg, which, in turn, depends on a newer libc6.
20:14<Mrangry>that sounds... bad
20:14<ptr>I suppose I can just remove that dependency and see what happens.... but it makes me nervous. Any idea what might have changed such that a build dependency on a certain version of dpkg was required?
20:14<ptr>that may be a stupid question
20:15<fabio>you said it's a source package ?
20:15<fabio>so you get dep with apt-get build-deb
20:15<ptr>apt-get build-dep -t sid libgstreamer0.10-0 wants to install libc6 from sid.
20:15<fabio>so you get dep with apt-get build-dep*
20:15<ptr>I know
20:15<ptr>that's what I was saying.
20:16<ptr>the build deps include libc6.
20:16<fabio>what version of libc6 you need ?
20:16<ptr>because they include a newer version of dpkg-dev, which depends on a newer version of libc6-devel
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20:17<ptr>fabio, err... not sure. Suppose I have to look at the source package.
20:17<ptr>apt just says E: Build-Depends dependency for gstreamer0.10 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements
20:17<fabio>dpkg-source to extract it
20:17<fabio>go in debian
20:17<ptr>I've worked with source packages before; I'm just not sure where build dependencies go
20:18<fabio>you could change the control file
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20:18<fabio>i mean the debian folder
20:19<fabio>if i were you i would try to change the control file in the debian folder
20:19<fabio>this it where it gets the dependency.
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20:20<ptr>I think that's package dependencies, not build dependencies... or are they one and the same?
20:21<ptr>they are.
20:21<ptr>dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.13)
20:21<fabio>build dep
20:21<ptr>I'm a tool
20:21<ptr>okay.... ugh
20:21<ptr>also explicitly depends on a version of debhelper.
20:21<fabio>ii dpkg-dev package building tools for Debian
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20:22<ptr>Is there any way to do the equivalent of 'apt-get build-dep' for a local source package?
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20:22<chealer>ptr: did you look at the changelog?
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20:23<ptr>rrgh, dch isn't installed
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20:23<ptr>hold on
20:23<Entheogen>guys, my home partition seems losing space
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20:23<Entheogen>every sec i have less MBytes free
20:23<Entheogen>and im not downloading anything
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20:24<ptr>chealer: but, regardless, do you know how to get apt-get to install all build dependencies of a source package in a folder on my hard drive?
20:24<amphi>Entheogen: you should find where the space is being lost
20:24<mrsno__>Entheogen so find out what is using up your space ? :) df / dh are useful for that
20:24<Entheogen>amphi, i dont know
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20:24<Entheogen>/dev/sda4 7882592 7349124 133048 99% /
20:25<Entheogen>second later
20:25<amphi>Entheogen: du -h --max-depth 1 in ~ at intervals might give you a lead
20:25<ptr>chealer: and the reason they did this was that they included a symbols file, which apparently requires dpkg-dev >= 1.14.13
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20:25<Entheogen>/dev/sda4 7882592 7349132 133040 99% /
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20:25<chealer>ptr: not really
20:25<chealer>ptr: yes
20:25<mrsno__>Entheogen so you have all your files on one partition, now check with something like: du -h / (may show lots of output)
20:25<ptr>So, that's an easy fix
20:26<ptr>Okay, another question
20:26<ptr>is there a way to do 'apt-get build-dep' such that it skips unavailable dependencies rather than failing?
20:26<fabio>how much ram do i need for kde 4 ?
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20:26<fabio>get those files by hand...
20:26<Entheogen>i just get file listing
20:26<Entheogen>with that
20:26<mrsno__>Entheogen it might be useful to try one folder at time in the root partition, for eg /var/ can get quite big. what is happening is because your /home is stored on the same partition as the rest of the system, another folder filling up will fill up the whole partition. so it can be useful to keep /home on another partition / drive.
20:26<ptr>I don't care that it can't find a version of dpkg-dev that satisfies its needs; I just want it to install everything else
20:27<Entheogen>mrsno__, i dont have another free free partition now :|
20:27<ptr>let's try -m
20:28<mrsno__>Entheogen well you can check what is using the space and work from there, old log files can be archived and also using apt/aptitude will keep .deb files that are installed on the system, so they can be 'cleaned' or removed if you don't need them.
20:28<Entheogen>but it is constantly filling up ... as we speak
20:28<Entheogen>i don't know why
20:29<chealer>fabio: ask #kde
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20:30<fabio>i'm installing it, too late thank you
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20:32<Entheogen>i checked.. it is not filling in /home
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20:33<Entheogen>it is smth in /var/log
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20:36<Entheogen> /var/log/syslog is 206 mb
20:36<Entheogen>is that normal?
20:36<fabio>use baobab
20:37<fabio>my /var/log/syslog is ~ 105k
20:37<Entheogen>can i delete that ?
20:38<Entheogen>yup it is syslog that is filing up
20:38<fabio>there is a lot of stu ff you can delete
20:38<fabio>i have disabled those services
20:39<Entheogen>what services
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20:39<ar0nic>first time knoppix user
20:40<Entheogen>Mar 7 02:40:46 shiva kernel: evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0
20:40<Entheogen>i'm geting that in that log file
20:40<ar0nic>and linux for that matter...anyone wanna take a quick question...
20:40<fabio>K89klogd K90sysklogd
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20:41<ar0nic>the smallest knoppix will allow me to change my resolution is 800x600 anyone know about this
20:41<Entheogen>i did that now
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20:41<fabio>what about /temp ?
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20:42<fabio>in order to change the res you need to change the xorg.conf file
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20:42<chealer>!tell ar0nic about knoppix
20:42<Entheogen> /temp doesnt change
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20:42<fabio>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:43<Entheogen>i have one more question
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20:43<Entheogen>i added some modules to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
20:43<Entheogen>and they load anyway...
20:43<fabio>my /temp folder is very clean. i got rid of 1 gb from there
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20:46<rjent>Greetings, which package do I need to get debuild?
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20:48<fabio>debuild ?
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20:48<Aleric>Oh Yeeeaaahhhhh *very low voice*
20:48<kmap>rjent: devscripts
20:49<Aleric>I fixed it!
20:49<rjent>kmap: thanks
20:49<kmap>rjent: Welcome
20:49<qq-><Aleric> :))
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20:51<qq->Aleric: what was the clue ?
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20:52<Aleric>qq-: Well, I was doing something very difficult (namely... well, too much to explain)... anyway, during my testing I had created an empty /etc/ file ...
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20:53<Aleric>That was causing to not read/find/? certain libraries needed for correct operation of mplayer and the nvidia drivers
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20:55<Aleric>I'm going to immediately add this wisdom to my script / nvidia-knowledge-base ( ;)
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21:03<Aleric>Heheh, I added this to the script:
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21:12<qq->I don't really understand why you made the empty /etc/
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21:15<qq->but not mater ,
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21:20<Aleric>qq-: I am writing this howto:
21:20<Aleric>qq-: The java plugin didn't work (I got it to work now, but still didn't find out what I did to make it work :/)
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21:21<Aleric>qq-: In order to find why it didn't work, I wanted to compare the strace output of a working version (running it inside the chroot), and the not-working version (outside the chroot).
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21:22<Aleric>qq-: In order to do that, I had to get the one running outside the chroot to not use the /lib32 libs, but only use the libs inside the chroot, as well as read any configuration files only from the chroot etc.
21:22<qq->ah , a litte more clear now
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21:22<Aleric>Creating that file was one of the many things that I did to make the strace output of both as equal as possible.
21:23<qq->I'm impressed ,
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21:24<Aleric>I think that were it was hanging is related to a dns lookup from java_vm ...
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21:29<qq->verry nice work , thanks
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21:44<matt__>testing, testing... 12
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21:58<abrotman>matt__: ?
21:58<matt__>cheers, thought I had some problems there
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21:58<abrotman>just a slow day
21:59<matt__>do you know a good channel for mactel help?
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22:07<abrotman>matt__: i'd think google would be more help
22:07<hazard2>matt__ what about?
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22:07<abrotman>matt__: .. for example
22:09<abrotman>matt__: .. tons of hits
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22:11<matt__>cheers, I've tried google of course
22:11<matt__>I'm having specific issues with Sid
22:12<matt__>(installed so I would get more problems and hopefully learn the OS faster!)
22:12<abrotman>not always the best approach .. but what's the problem?
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22:13<matt__>theres a few, but the main one is that suspend/resume is broken
22:13<hazard2>I wouldn't actually expect it to work
22:13<hazard2>is this a laptop?
22:13<matt__>macbook, yeah
22:14<matt__>the kernel is obviously recent, and by all acounts should work
22:14<matt__>looking at the ubuntu and debian wikis
22:14<hazard2>trouble sleeping when just closing it?
22:15<hazard2>in what way?
22:15<abrotman>might be an intel video bug ..
22:15<hazard2>dosen't wake up? Dosen't go to sleep?
22:15<abrotman>i know my thinkpad has that .. something about VBE_TOOL
22:15<abrotman>and i don't even want it to suspend!
22:15<matt__>doesnt go to sleep, and I'm given a software prompt and an error afterwards
22:16<matt__>haha ok I'll swap you my macbook for your thinkpad
22:16<abrotman>it's four years old
22:16<hazard2>What generation of macbook?
22:16<matt__>Core Duo
22:16<hazard2>not core2?
22:16<matt__>would it make a difference?
22:16<abrotman>eh .. they're all core2
22:17<dpkg>somebody said _~ was sour face
22:17<matt__>first generation was core duo
22:17<hazard2>I thought core duo -> core2duo
22:18<hazard2>no, the only reason I'm aslking is to see how old it is.
22:18<ptr>So, I may have discovered a circular build dependency in sid (the horror!)
22:18<ptr>what's the next step?
22:18<matt__>its about 18 months old
22:18<hazard2>Ooooo I LOVE circular dependencies!
22:18<matt__>Apple released the core2duos a couple of months after, but mine seems to have better linux support
22:18<ptr>when you build libgstreamer-plugins-base, it runs a python script that imports pygst
22:19<ptr>but python-gst0.10 isn't declared as a build dependency
22:19<ptr>which is a good thing, since pythong-gst0.10 depends on libgstreamer-plugins-base.
22:19<ptr>the script generates documentation.
22:20<dpkg>from memory, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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22:21<hazard2>that's a stupid thought: What does ACPI think?
22:21<ptr>"Crap! I just sh*t the bed again!"
22:22<hazard2>mmmmmmm, plausable.
22:24<gef>blame hoffman
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22:25<ptr>Anyway, what does a conscientious user of debian sid do when he discovers something like this?
22:25<ptr>contact the package maintainers directly?
22:25<dpkg>acpi is, like, Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see
22:25<abrotman>ptr: or file bugs?
22:26<matt__>mmmm now I think about it, swusp did error during the initial install of Etch.......
22:26<matt__>I get the feeling I've missed something
22:28<abrotman>but now you're on sid
22:28<matt__>...good point
22:29<matt__>I wish I put as much effort into my lectures as I do into this
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22:40*ptr just got that warm fuzzy feeling
22:40<ptr>just submitted my first bug to debian.
22:42*abrotman closes the bug
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23:25<RIVE>Hello, good evenning.
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23:40<lex>hm... actually motning for me :)
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