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00:49<Designed>debian no detect my audio
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00:59<alaya>!tell Designed about alsa checklist
01:01<GhostlyDeath>Something is really wrong with libc because malloc crashes some apps
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01:28<GhostlyDeath>How can I figure what app is using the disk so much?
01:29<fancyladd>I am having some trouble getting the linuxrc script in my initrd to run.
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01:46*Designed [XMMS2] Player Mp3
01:46*Designed [XMMS2] Player Mp3
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01:47*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3
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01:54*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Cradle of Filth - Cthulu Dawn
01:54*Designed Porfín
01:54<suiside>Designed: knock it off
01:54<Designed>ok, don't worry
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01:57*Supaplex ssh -f Designed dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp - just for fun.
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02:03*Designed for you =)
02:03*Designed for me? heheheh
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02:18<alaya>GhostlyDeath: sometimes top can help
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02:20<alaya>GhostlyDeath: maybe dstat too
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02:27<alaya>e.g. dstat -d -f -D total,sda -M disk,app
02:29<alaya>or just dstat -D sda -M disk,app
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02:31<alaya>actually i don't think the read/write values are connected to the app list on the right
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02:47<purx>can you help me?
02:48<purx>I am going to burn debian dvd.....
02:49<purx>what dvd should I chose?
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02:49<alaya>read the installation guide on the wiki
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02:52<purx>I've already read it.....
02:52<alaya>what kind of cpu?
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02:53<purx>Pentium 4 CPU 3.00Ghz
02:53<alaya>i386 image
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02:53<purx>ok...thanks... But I mean what production is the best for burning....
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02:54<purx>dont know how to say it in Enlish...
02:55<alaya>what language?
02:56<purx>Traxdata or somthing else....
02:56<purx>what is the best for burning...
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02:57<purx>There are a lot of firms producing DVD -r(w)
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02:58<purx>ok....I should learn Enlish better as nobody understands me...
02:59<purx>good bye
02:59<blubberdiblub>choose any medium that works best for you
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02:59<istoc>Hi, I'm what's the best/easiest way to move my boot partition from one HD to another?
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03:01<user2008>hello. i have problem with installing locales. trying "apt-get install locales" - got error "Depends: glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1", when i try "apt-get install glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1", system wrote that glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1 is already installed (inside of libc6). so - how can i install locales?
03:01<suiside>istoc: cp or rsync, you'd want to preserve file permissions though, read the relevant manpage for information on how to do that
03:02<user2008>i suppose that my libc6 package is broken, how to fix it?
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03:05<suiside>istoc: obviously you'd have to create the target paritition beforehand and afterwards make the corresponding changes in /etc/fstab and your bootloader configuration
03:05<istoc>suiside: Sounds messy. Would gparted help?
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03:07<suiside>istoc: well, you could use gparted for the partitioning if you like, but no, it won't magically move your boot elsewhere and make the corresponding configuration changes
03:08<istoc>suiside: Aww. I got the impression it was magic from the people I've talked to about it
03:10<suiside>istoc: the magic is in understanding how the system works, after that the changes required are trivial
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03:19*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Cradle of Filth -
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03:22<gsimmons>!tell user2008 -about bat
03:23<gsimmons>user2008: The relevant packages would be 'locales' and 'libc6'.
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03:28<user2008>gsimmons, libc6 already installed
03:29<user2008>but i think it is broken
03:29<user2008>look at paste ->
03:32<user2008>gsimmons &
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03:36<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
03:36<gsimmons>user2008: You've installed a post-Etch version of 'libc6' (2.5-9+b1) as opposed to Etch's current version (2.3.6.ds1-13etch5). You're attempting to install 'locales' from stable - which depends on the 'glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1' virtual package provided by Etch's 'libc6' - which can't be satisfied by your installed 'libc6' version.
03:37<fred__>i can't impress on usb printer who type is color laserjet 1600
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03:39<user2008>i install libc6 via apt-get, so why it install post-Etch version of libc6?
03:41<gsimmons>user2008: You have testing sources referenced in your /etc/apt/sources.list. Although commented now, I can only assume you previously installed packages from these repositories.
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03:41<user2008>how can i install (2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 over 2.5-9+b1?
03:41<gsimmons>!tell user2008 -about downgrade
03:41<user2008>if i try apt-get remove libc6 it tells me that many packages will be removed
03:43<Supaplex>!tell fred__ -about search
03:43<Supaplex>fred__: cups has a few helper packages for more drivers.
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03:45<rain>hello, i tried to compile pidgin. i downloaded the source code from . i downloaded it into my home folder /home/rain and unpacked it there. i tried to copmile it with command ./configure i got an error message: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in path $PATH . what do have to install to get compiler ?
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03:46<gsimmons>user2008: You've basically two options: reinstall your system (as Etch/stable) or upgrade to testing. It's best that you make a backup either way.
03:46<gsimmons>!b-e rain
03:46<dpkg>rain: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
03:46<fred__>hmmm whois dpkg
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03:47<user2008>i can't reinstall system for only one package
03:47<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>, or me.
03:47<rain>thank you i try
03:48<user2008>as i said it wa working syste till yesterday
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03:49<user2008>should i remove comments in sources.list for testing and try to install?
03:49<fred__>hey why do not stock this on var kernel
03:49<fred__>is it possible
03:50<fred__>some people alter this files
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03:50<user2008>gsimmons - ? will it help me?
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03:53<rain>know when i tried to compile pidgin i got another error ::: configure: error: XML:: Parser perl module is required for intltool
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03:54<fred__>look on
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03:56<rain>i found a lot of perl packages , but what i should install
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04:04<rain>can anyone help me and tell what i have to install more. i tried to compile pidign and got the error ::: configure: error: XML:: Parser perl module is required for intltool
04:04<cahoot>libxml-parser-perl ?
04:05<suiside>rain: don't repeat yourseld, you can use, apt-get build-deb <src-package> to install the required build dependecies, a word of warning thoudh, if you're going to compile something from source yourself do it properly and create a deb package, you'll regret just doing ./configure && make && make install if you want to upgrade or uninstall the application later
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04:06<fred__>hey good there are little cd boot 160 mo for install debian
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04:07<suiside>rain: and if you don't have a specific reason for building yourself you'll propably just want to grab the pidgin package from apt
04:08<fred__>i come back later thank's
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04:09<rain>i downloaded pidgin from . i tried to get it from with apt-get from
04:09<rain>but i got an error, that there is a problem with this line in sources.list
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04:15<suiside>rain: what line exactly?
04:17<rain>deb etch-backports main
04:18<azeem>and what error?
04:19<rain>error was : GPG error: etch-backports Release:following singatures couldn`t be verified because the public key is not avaliable
04:21<tpyoknig>good morning
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04:23<azeem>rain: so import the key
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04:29<rain>thanks alot , i am installing pidgin from backport know
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04:34<rain>can anyone help me with problem that i can`t write to my Fat32 partition in gnome. i have in fstab : /dev/hda2 /mnt/Fat32 vfat umask=0,user,rw,auto 0 0 ... when i look the access rights in console as normal user i see : drwxrwxrwx root root 16384
04:37<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
04:37<cahoot>sorry - disregard
04:38<GhostlyDeath>rain: either mount it as that user or add uid=you
04:39<GhostlyDeath>otherwise, whoever mounts it gains perms
04:39<rain>ok thanks
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05:01<sardyno>hello $C
05:01<sardyno>hello #debian
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05:01<sardyno>hello #debian oftc
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05:03<rowdy>рш фдд
05:03<rowdy>hi all
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05:30<twb>I remember seeing a while back an apt.conf which had something like Apt::Release "lenny"; -- can I use this as a terse kind of pinning for a lenny/sid hybrid system?
05:30<twb>I can't see what I remember in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz or apt-config dump now, though.
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05:37<dondelelcaro>twb: man apt_preferences; for details. You're setting the target release.
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05:42<RParade>Hey, guys.. I know this isn't a Debian-specific question, but surely one of you has an answer..
05:43<RParade>In one of my PC's the BIOS takes about 3 minutes to boot the PC after being turned on from a coldstate (ie: after having been off for awhile). Any ideas?
05:43<RParade>If I simply reboot the computer it doesn't happen, but if it gets shut down to soft power (off) it starts happening again..
05:44<dondelelcaro>RParade: probably some bios option like fastboot or similar will get it to boot fatfaster.
05:44<RParade>It's an Award BIOS, the motherboard came with the most recent software.
05:44<RParade>Aye, I tried that.. I disabled all of the slow booting options, like extended POST and so on.. Didn't help..
05:44<twb>RParade: obvious things to check would be 1) if it's doing a "memory test"; and 2) if it's loading e.g. fakeraid BIOS code from onboard chips or PCI cards.
05:44<RParade>I even turned them all on, tested different configurations, etc..
05:44<twb>I don't know, then.
05:45<dondelelcaro>RParade: well, then the next thing is to see if there's a bios upgrade; otherwise, not much we can do. It's some kind of bios issue, regardless.
05:45<RParade>Well, this board does have RAID, but I have another board identical to it which doesn't do this.. Regardless, they might be different revisions..
05:45<RParade>Thanks TWB, when this upgrade is done I'll try disabling RAID.
05:45<RParade>That's probably it..
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05:53<tv>what's a quick command to recursively delete all file with extensions *.ext in a directory ?
05:53<twb>find -name \*.ext -delete
05:54<tv>neat, thanks
05:54<twb>Note that older installs might lack -delete
05:54<tv>I think it worked
05:54<twb>In which case try -exec rm -f {} + or -exec rm -f {} \;
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06:01<twb>dondelelcaro: thanks, that appears to work as advertised.
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06:12<Woland>does anybody know format of /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstate
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06:12<twb>Woland: I have no such file.
06:12<azeem>it's pkgstates
06:13<azeem>Woland: it's an internal aptitude file, I think
06:13<Woland>What is meaning of fields State, Dselect-State and Remove-Reason fields ?
06:13<azeem>Woland: maybe it's explained in the aptitude manual; otherwise read the source
06:13<Woland>i'm trying to reinstall my system from 64x to 32x using aptitude-create-state-bundle
06:14<Woland>and it doesn't work properly
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06:14<Woland>and know all what i have is aptitude package state files
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06:15<Woland>i need to parse they to get packages information
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06:16<Woland>google doesn't know anything about this files
06:16<azeem>12:12 < azeem> Woland: maybe it's explained in the aptitude manual; otherwise read the source
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06:17<Woland>azeem: and there is no another information source?
06:17<Woland>azeem: i've not found this info in the aptitude manual
06:17<azeem>what's wrong with the aptitude manual?
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06:38<rabby>df tells me i have lots of space free. but playing with apt-get i get "Disk quota exceeded"
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06:38<engywuck>then you have a quota'd disk...
06:39<engywuck>call "quota"
06:40<tingle>how can i check what i need to set a boot disk in the boot loader?
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06:41<tingle>i got debian running on it now but i need to do a reinstall whitout grub
06:41<rabby>engywuck: quote outputs nothing
06:41<rabby>i tried quotaoff -a without any change for apt-get
06:41<engywuck>strange then
06:42<engywuck>df -i ?
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06:43<rabby>simfs 80000 79512 488 100% /
06:43<rabby>not nice
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06:44<rabby>df without -i tells me 26% in use
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06:45<azeem>rabby: you're out of inodes
06:45<azeem>rabby: a possible solution would be to create another partition and move e.g. /var over there
06:46<engywuck>too few inodes
06:46<rabby>azeem: it is a vserver
06:46<azeem>rabby: so?
06:46<azeem>no free disk space?
06:46<rabby>did i do anything wrong or is it just my hoster's mistake? there should be some GB more free
06:46<azeem>rabby: you could also complain to your hoster that 80000 inodes for / is suboptimal
06:46<azeem>rabby: did you not read what we said?
06:47<engywuck>you have a partition with too many small files for the number of inodes
06:47<azeem>the problem isn't free space, it's free inodes
06:47<engywuck>you could check if you can get rid of the small files omehow
06:47<engywuck>for example if you use a mail server with a file for every email
06:47<engywuck>you could change to one that uses one big file
06:47<dondelelcaro>I don't even think you can get such a small number of inodes by default.
06:48<azeem>what's a simfs anyway?
06:48<azeem>some vserver thing?
06:48<rabby>i can not really understand what i did wrong. (the server is running since exactly 30h)
06:48<rabby>had not time to do lots of mistakes...
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06:48<azeem>rabby: unless you partitioned it yourself, it's the hoster's fault
06:49<engywuck>800k inodes is way too small a number
06:49<engywuck>bad bad hoster ;-)
06:49<engywuck>how large is the partition?
06:49*azeem has 128k inodes used on his / partition
06:50<engywuck>/dev/sda5 1954560 254753 1699807 14% /
06:50<dondelelcaro>azeem: I don't have any partitons with less than 191K inodes, even the tiny ones.
06:50<engywuck>i have one with 6k
06:50<engywuck>it's a 25 MB partition :)
06:51<azeem>dondelelcaro: > 191k inodes *used* on a tiny partition?
06:51<dondelelcaro>azeem: no, 191K total
06:51<azeem>ah, ok
06:51<azeem>I thought you were putting each base pair in its own file :P
06:51<azeem>my / has 300k inodes available
06:51<dondelelcaro>no, the worst is the partitions which have Maildirs on them
06:52<engywuck>@rabby: do a backup, kill the hoster and reformat (if you can do yourself) so that you have some more inodes
06:52<azeem>rabby: so what are you using the server for?
06:52<dondelelcaro>and even they're only using a few million inodes
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06:53<twb>mbox will use fewer inodes than maildir, fwiw
06:53<rabby>azeem: it is a remote desktop. this hoster provides and promotes with ads for kde and nx support
06:54<rabby>i did not believe... but it really works fine and almost quick!
06:54<rabby>but if i want to add any application, the quota pops up
06:54<azeem>maybe it's some sort of lock-down strategy
06:54<azeem>and you're not supposed to add apps
06:54<twb>If you have root, tune2fs might help...
06:55<dondelelcaro>twb: yeah, I do archive to mbox, but maildir is far nicer for mboxes that get modified a lot
06:55<rabby>twb: without repartitioning etc?
06:55<dondelelcaro>twb: and tune2fs won't change the number of inodes.
06:55<engywuck>if you have enough free space on another partition: make /var point there
06:56<petr_gajdusek>hi, i have filled bug again sensors-applet (#469333) because temperature calculation was wrong. I have discovered now that this is bug in libsensors4, what must I do now. Reassign bug to libsensors4? Can I make this if I am not DD?
06:58<azeem>petr_gajdusek: you filed the bug yourself?
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06:58<azeem>then send a mail with "reassign 469333 libsensors4" in the body to ""
06:59<petr_gajdusek>that bugreport contains info specific to sensors-applet, is it ok to reassign it only, or should i fill new one, and close the old one, if it is possible for me?
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07:00<twb>bts is your friend.
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07:00<azeem>petr_gajdusek: you can add a line starting with "#" above the "reassign" where you explain why you reassign it (a comment)
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07:00<petr_gajdusek>ok, thanks
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07:18<kcynice>anybody would like to tell me how to mount other linux disk partions in my computer? I only how how to mount windows partions.
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07:19<engywuck>just use mount
07:20<kcynice>i used 'mount -f etx3 -o utf8 /dev/hda5 /mnt/linux' but failed.
07:20<engywuck>ext3 not etx3
07:20<engywuck>and isn't it -t ?
07:20<engywuck>but should be superfluous
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07:20<engywuck>try 'mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/linux"
07:21<engywuck>perhaps with the -o option, but i assume it's not needed
07:21<kcynice>yes,i splet wrong here,i used -t ext3
07:22<engywuck>what's your errormessage?
07:22<dpkg>Remember you can not paste here, use and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is
07:23<engywuck>!tell kcynice nopaste
07:23<engywuck>!tell nopaste kcynice
07:23<kcynice>i trid by using 'mount -t ext3 /dev/hda8 /mnt/linux',failed too
07:23<engywuck><engywuck> what's your errormessage?
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07:23<engywuck>if longer than a line please use nopaste
07:23<Gekz>3 lines
07:24<kcynice>ok,i will paste the wrong message.
07:24<engywuck>oh well, i wanted to be sure :)
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07:24<engywuck>3 lines plus an accidentally added newline...
07:24*vjoe oi a todos
07:25<vjoe>anyone here can play WMV videos embed on webpages?
07:26<shze>vjoe: kmplayer and w32codecs should help you
07:27<vjoe>in which repository is w32codecs?
07:27<vjoe>i can't find them
07:27<shze>debian-multimedia repo
07:27<engywuck>non-free section?
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07:29<engywuck>@vjoe deb etch main
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07:30<vjoe>can't it be testing? i use testing
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07:31<shze>vjoe: deb testing main
07:31<vjoe>yeah, yeah
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07:32<shze> is there a way to load initramfs at a different address in ram? i get 'ramdisk: imcomplete write (-28 != 32768)' because of bad ram
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07:33<shze>where can i find more information?
07:33<miksuh>vjoe: Add that line to /etc/apt/sources.list and then do:
07:33<miksuh># apt-get update
07:33<vjoe>yes, I have already installed w32coecs
07:33<miksuh># apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
07:33<vjoe>but I still can't play the videos
07:33<vjoe>I'm using totem-mozilla
07:34<tony>I think I have a very serious problem with the clock in my computer. The BIOS clock is not saving the settings when I tell it to save them, and the regular clock is definitely not syncing with the servers, that I'm telling it to sync with!
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07:37<engywuck>@shze: there's a patch for the kernel that mekes it possible to tell the kernel NOT to use specific parts of ram
07:38<engywuck>perhaps that's for you?
07:40<shze>engywuck: not sure about the badram patch, because in my case its in the first 3mb of ram, so it gets used before the kernel processes the kernel commandline
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07:41<engywuck>yes, but this should stilll be before loading of initramfs, or am I wrong here?
07:41<shze>engywuck: or is there a way of built the parameters into the kernel or even into the bootloader directly to prevent this?
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07:43<engywuck>puhh, dunno
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07:43<engywuck>ask rick van Rein :)
07:43<shze>engywuck: i'll read the page in depth and then look further. thank you!
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07:46<engywuck>i *think* there's an option in vanilla kernels to map the kernel to a different address while loading
07:46<engywuck>at least in 2.6.24
07:46<engywuck>perhaps you can try that, too
07:47<shze>engywuck: do you mean PHYSICAL_START? i tried that, and i got the error i wrote earlier
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07:59<Freedom>can anyone help?
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08:00<twb>I don't know; some people are incurably vague.
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08:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:00<abrotman>twb: could you explain further?
08:00<twb>abrotman: yes.
08:00<Freedom>on my debian clock is runng too fast
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08:00<Freedom>i need that my debian synchronize time from internet
08:00<abrotman>!set the time
08:00<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
08:01<Freedom>but don know how to do it
08:01<twb>Freedom: apt-get install ntpdate ntp RET
08:02<Freedom>oki tankx
08:02<Freedom>now i have a clue how to continue on my own
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08:12<engywuck>just noticed: Iceweasel says "Iceweasel" in Titlebar
08:13<engywuck>but in task bar (or whatever that's called) in kde it says "Firefox-bin"
08:13<sepski>engywuck, fixed in lenny
08:13<twb>The process name is "firefox-bin".
08:13<sepski>atleast mine say iceweasel
08:14<twb>Oh, I see, you're referring to a NETWM title.
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08:17<pbt>Hi all. i need your advise. is there a socks-proxy in a debian repository? i was try apropos search proxy but no results...
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08:18<petemc>dont use apropos for that, use apt-cache search
08:18<abrotman>apt-cache search socks ?
08:18<_ZeuZ_>abrotman: you coiuld also add | grep proxy
08:18<twb>advise is a transitive verb.
08:19<pbt>ok there a lots of them....
08:20<abrotman>_ZeuZ_: i could .. but i didn't read them all, so i'm not sure which would match andwhich wouldn't .. and he seems capable of reading
08:20<twb>aptitude search ~dsocks~dproxy ?
08:20<abrotman>erm .. freak
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08:34<twb>Is there a way to configure aptitude to not break up the package list by section, by default?
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08:36<stuart>how do i get all OSes listed in my boot menu?
08:37<engywuck>lilo or grub, stuart`
08:41<stuart>engywuck: grub
08:42<engywuck>OSes not automatically found by update-grub have to be added manually in /boot/grub/menu.list
08:42<engywuck>there should be examples there
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08:42<twb>ISTR menu.lst (or debconf?) can be configured so that "other OSs" aren't listed
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08:43<twb>Doesn't d-i ask you during the initial install?
08:43<stuart>ok thanks. One issue tho...
08:43<stuart>i installed desktop BSD just for the hell of it and they name disks differently
08:44<twb>What of it?
08:46<stuart>I guess I should take a look at the examples - but I bet I can't work out how to reference the disk that BSD is on (formerly hdc1 I think)
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08:48<twb>If you mean in grub, you count from zero -- hdc1 is (hd2,0)
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08:48<twb>..assuming all disks are populated, and grub finds them in the same order.
08:48<stuart>how did you get that?
08:49<stuart>is there an hda1 and hdb1?
08:49<tingle>hello, how can i remove the NetworkManager Applet on the gnome panel there doesnt seem to be option "Remove from panel" like whit other icon... I like the Network Manager alot more i would like to remove the NetworkManager Applet icon and add the Network Manager icon to the gnome panel
08:49<azeem>tingle: you cannot
08:49<stuart>how did you know hdc1 was disk 2?
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08:49<azeem>tingle: what's the difference between the "NetworkManager Applet icon" and the "Network Manager icon"?
08:50<twb>stuart: it's not.
08:50<twb>stuart: oh sorry, it is.
08:50<twb>stuart: you count from zero, so hda = hd0, hdb = hd1, hdc = hd2
08:50<stuart>ok, thanks, got it
08:51<tingle>the first has a ethernet cable as icon and the second one has 2 computer behind each other a bit microsoft like
08:51<tingle>azeem: sorry forgot the hightlight you but the previous line is directed to you ;x
08:51<gsimmons>twb: (re aptitude) If I've read your request correctly, define aptitude::UI::Default-Grouping ""; within your ~/.aptitude/config. This will reproduce the same view as "Views -> New Flat Package List" as a default.
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08:51<azeem>tingle: so you don't like the icons and want to change them?
08:52<Phantom>is there a place I can get a "live CD" version of freebsd ?
08:52<azeem>Phantom: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
08:53<twb>gsimmons: now that aptitude-doc-en has finished downloading, I'll be able to check myself :-)
08:53<Phantom>I guess so I don't know the flavors ?
08:53<twb>gsimmons: I still want the ~N and ~U separation, so I guess "" isn't quite the same.
08:53<gsimmons>twb: Right. Feel free to modify to taste. :)
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08:54<tingle>azeem: correct
08:54<azeem>tingle: I don't think that is easily possible without changing the source
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08:55<tingle>azeem: pitty..
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08:57<fred__>where can y found a simple software for exploit account familial
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08:58<twb>gsimmons: do you know offhand how to make it use something other than brightblue-on-yellow for the visual-mode progress bars? I fin it REALLY hard to read.
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09:01<gsimmons>twb: Sorry, not offhand. I rarely use aptitude's TUI myself.
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09:04<fred__>sorry but somone explain to me why i have a multicast on etho
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09:07<twb>fred__: high spirits?
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09:08<twb>fred__: do not /msg me.
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09:09<_ZeuZ_>guys how do I check the networking log?
09:09<fred__>i lock the list of parameter in network tools
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09:09<valdyn>_ZeuZ_: there'S no "networking log"
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09:29<livid>Is there any reason for Etch coming default with three cron programs loading at bootup? Is there three for any specific reason?
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09:31<love>can someone tell me, why i can't boot with the command "init 3"? grub says it's an unknown command.
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09:32<abrotman>love: why woudl you?
09:32<abrotman>livid: it's running stuff that hsould have run while the machine was off ?
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09:33<hathe>love: its a 3 without init
09:33<livid>Well, by default Debian Etch loads up three cron programs (schedulers), I was just wondering if the extras (anacron and atd) were there to monitor something specific..
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09:34<abrotman>i thought you meant three cron tasks
09:34<abrotman>atd isn't the same as cron
09:34<livid>Basically what I'm asking is, can I disable atd and anacron from loading at boot and be safe with only cron?
09:34<abrotman>and anacron works differently than cron
09:34<livid>Yeah, I couldn't find the config file for atd
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09:35<abrotman>livid: man at
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09:46<valdyn>livid: anachron is a supplement to cron for systems that are not always on
09:47<valdyn>livid: atd is entirely optional
09:47<soar>how to leave a channel in BitchX
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09:47<uveX>ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: av_crc04C11DB7 someone know how to fix this :( ?
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09:48<valdyn>livid: so removing anachron on a system that is not always on is not safe.
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09:54<uveX^>ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: av_crc04C11DB7 someone know how to fix this :( ?
09:55<azeem>uveX^: you just said that
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10:01<orjan>I'm trying to write to a CF card mounted at /media/disk, doing | dd of=/media/disk bs=16k. Then I get error message it's a file, how shuld I do?
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10:02<amphi>orjan: what are you trying to do?
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10:02<orjan>amphi: write to the CF card, I have input to the pipe
10:03<twb>orjan: you can't write to a mounted filesystem's mountpoint with dd.
10:03<amphi>orjan: write to what? the raw device, or a file on the thing?
10:03<orjan>twb: aha
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10:03<twb>If you're writing to the raw device it probably shouldn't be mounted, at least not read-write.
10:04<orjan>twb: ok I get it, I think
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10:05<love>thx hathe
10:06<orjan>twb: twb I'm on lenny now and it automagicaly mounted it, earlier on etch it didn't happen
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10:06<priscaramos>how can I install SSH?
10:06<twb>priscaramos: apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server
10:06<Xenguy>priscaramos: !ssh
10:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH ( or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
10:08<priscaramos>how can I install a PDF printer on Ubuntu??
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10:08<abrotman>ask #ubuntu
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10:08<adm>ls -la
10:09<priscaramos>how can I install a PDF printer on Ubuntu??
10:09<abrotman>ask #ubuntu
10:09<abrotman>priscaramos: this channel is for Debian support ..
10:09<priscaramos>there is a channel for Ubunutu?
10:09<abrotman>priscaramos: please ask #ubuntu
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10:10<abrotman>priscaramos: and if that one is too small .. use the one on
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10:10<priscaramos>ok, thanks for evertything!
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10:11<baka>тут есть кто
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10:11<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:14<victor>how can etch-backports be added to sourcelist?
10:14<twb>victor: with a text editor
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10:15<victor>twb, I mean what line should be added.
10:16<victor>twb, I mean what line should be added.
10:18<victor>twb, ok, i have found out. thank you.
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10:29<vjoe>how can I define the default web browser to open the links I see in the emails, im and irc?
10:30<treever>I believe Desktop->Preferences->Preferred Applications.
10:30<priscaramos>how can I install a graphic mode of SSH??
10:30<vjoe>thanks treever
10:31<treever>Not a problem.
10:31<cahoot>priscaramos: putty is about as graphical ssh can get
10:31<priscaramos>I've used putty but I don't like
10:31<_shai_>priscaramos: Do you want a GUI ssh client or do you want to use GUI applications over ssh?
10:31<priscaramos>???? I don't know... what is different??
10:32<twb>export BROWSER=w3m
10:32<priscaramos>I guess I want a GUI ssh cliente
10:32<twb>priscaramos: you need to install an X server on your local machine
10:33<priscaramos>and how I can do this?
10:33<twb>What distro is the local machine?
10:33<priscaramos>ununtu 7.10
10:33<cahoot>doesn't konqueror access via ssh using fish or such?
10:33<_shai_>cahoot: Yes, for file browsing, not for console access.
10:33<hathe>fish or sftp
10:34<abrotman>priscaramos: please ask #ubuntu
10:34<cahoot>priscaramos: but still - if this is on ubuntu you really should go to #ubuntu
10:34<treever>How does one go about setting the default Java VM settings?
10:35<priscaramos>I was there but nobody answerme... :(
10:35<twb>update-alternatives --config java-something, probably
10:35<abrotman>priscaramos: i told you .. #ubuntu on
10:35<treever>abrotman: Aye, that's what I thought, too. "update-alternatives" isn't being recognized as existing, though.
10:35<abrotman>i said what?
10:35<priscaramos>ok... :(
10:35<abrotman>treever: are you root ?
10:36<cahoot>priscaramos: ubuntu has a rather abundant collection of hotow etc accessible via their site
10:36<treever>Er, wrong name,.
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10:36<treever>abrotman: Good call.
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10:37<chemical>hello everybody
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10:38<chemical>I'd like some information about porting Linux on Arm micro processor
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10:41<dpkg>arm is, like, Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or or best supported in #debian-arm on Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>.
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10:46<twb>So does bash-completion replace the /etc/bash_completion that comes with bash?
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10:46<twb>I'm a bit confused as to which is "newer" or "better"
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10:47<chemical>I've heard that only "StromgArm" supported by linux is it true?
10:47<chemical>ok i'lll go there
10:49<fred__>it's the third day that i come here
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10:50<love>hella again
10:51<love>the command "a 3" at the grub loader does not work.
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11:17<pbt>Please can somebody consult me about pcmcia cards on debian?
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11:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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11:21<pbt>I have old IBM ThinkPad 390e notebook, i was try to install etch 40r1 but it seems dont start my pcmcia lancard (3cxfe574bt). i cant surf internet while i'm installing or configure because i use external monitor (builtin didn't work).
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11:24<twb>pbt: if it's a WIRELESS PC card, chances are that debian-installer doesn't have a driver for it.
11:25<twb>IME its easiest to do the initial install via a wired NIC, if possible.
11:25<pbt>it cant get ip through dhcp. did i need start something manual? is pcmcia exist in standart kernel? It IS NOT WIRELESS
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11:25<pbt>and it works perfect in windows2000
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11:26<pbt>so hardware is not broken.
11:27<sidgyck>hello everybody!
11:27<sidgyck>may I ask for a question?
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11:27<pbt>what commands do i need to set eth0 to use my card?
11:27<sysop2>how do I hibernate from the command line?
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11:28<sidgyck>pbt: you may use standart GNOME utils for eth0 to set up.
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11:29<_shai_>sysop2: echo 'disk' > /sys/power/state I think.
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11:30<paddy_>what is a good game to demo to my friend ?
11:30<pbt>sidgyck: without gui it is possible?
11:31<pbt>sidgyck: please tell me how should i start?
11:31<sidgyck>pbt: sure you may install pppoe pppoeconf
11:33<sidgyck>pbt: then click Desktop -> Administration -> Networking
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11:33<twb>sidgyck: he's still in d-i, I think.
11:35<sidgyck>twb: what is d-i ?
11:35<pbt>ok. ill try.... so algorytm is: install gnome - configure LAN - remove gnome?
11:35<dpkg>4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see for images. Sarge is still available at Developers page is .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot.
11:35<twb>sidgyck: d-i is the debian-installer, the thing you get when you boot the install CD (or other install media).
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11:36<sidgyck>twb: I'm a lame :-)
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11:37<sidgyck>pbt: wait a sec I'll try to set eth0 from console
11:37<pbt>i have all cd's but i just want to up network to use my repo "deb etch main contrib"
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11:38<themill>dpkg: d-i =~ s/4.0r0/4.0r3/
11:38<dpkg>OK, themill
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11:39<pbt>from console is ifconfig eth0 IP MASK then ifconfig eth0 up but i cant ping gate ip
11:39<sysop2> sorry _shai_ I was away does that hibernate the whole machine or just the shutdown the disks?
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11:41<sidgyck>pbt: can't remember command for eth0 config... I need more sleep maybe? ;-)
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11:42<pbt>maybe... but see my last message (ifconfig )
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11:47<sidgyck>pbt: ifconfig eth0 up ?
11:47<sidgyck>pbt: maybe ifconfig eth0 up ?
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11:48<sidgyck>pbt: for activate the eth0
11:49<twb>pbt: does /sbin/ifconfig -a list any interfaces (other than lo)?
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11:53<sidgyck>anybody can help me to set up dial-in server? (I want connect two Debian boxes through modem)
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11:56<Xenguy>sidgyck: mingetty?
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11:57<Xenguy>sidgyck: I'm not sure where that came from - it's been so long ago...
11:58<Xenguy>sidgyck: and not convinced it applies to your question :-)
11:58<ignu>help a noob? How can I get Sound Juicer to burna normal audio CD from an mp3 file? I installed lame and ripped from CD to mp3 just fine. (I'm running Debian 4.0 r2)
11:58<Xenguy>ignu: serpentine might do that IIRC
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11:58<valdyn>ignu: sound juicer is just only a ripper
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11:59<ignu>aaahhh, juicer = only ripper ... thx valdyn
11:59<ignu>Xenguy: is serpentine a 'aptitude install' package?
11:59<Xenguy>ignu: of course :-)
11:59<Xenguy>ignu: apt-cache show serpentine
11:59<sidgyck>Xenguy: mingetty good but I can't establish ppp connection with it modem my machine doesn't have an IP after connection.
12:00<sysop2>ok I used the hibernate command but when it came back my usb mouse and keyboard dont work anymore.
12:00<twb>sysop2: that's a feature
12:00<sysop2>I tried disconnecting them and reconnecting them.
12:00<twb>You probably need to teach hibernate to rmmod and insmod the usb <whatever> driver
12:00<sysop2>twb, is there a work around?
12:01<sysop2>ok will try that thanks
12:01<valdyn>sysop2: you probably need to unload usb modules before susepnd and reload them after suspend, hibernate config files have that prepared, just uncomment
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12:01<sysop2>usbhid right?
12:02<Xenguy>sidgyck: I remember configuration took some time; find a good HOWTO is my best advice (I don't remember specific details anymore, other than I was able to put a modem on a debian box at work, and then make a dial-up connection to it from home ;-)
12:02<valdyn>sysop2: usb-ohci or whichever your hardware driver
12:02<sidgyck>Xenguy: thank you
12:03<valdyn>sysop2: usb-ohci + usb+uhci + usb-ehci should cover all
12:03<Xenguy>sidgyck: good luck
12:03<sysop2>thanks guy
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12:04<valdyn>those modules are alread blacklist for old kernels
12:04<valdyn>those modules are alread blacklisted for old kernels
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12:05<valdyn>sysop2: those modules got rnamed lately
12:05<valdyn>sysop2: ehci_hcd uhci_hcd
12:06<sysop2>valdyn, so do I comment them out in the black listed modules list?
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12:06<valdyn>sysop2: are they even in there?
12:06<valdyn>sysop2: uname -r
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12:07<sysop2>valdyn, ehci_hcd, ohci_hcd, uhci_hcd, ehci-hcd, usb-ohci and usb-uhci are
12:08<valdyn>sysop2: well, check which one you actually have loaded
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12:08<sysop2>ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd
12:08<sysop2>and usbcore
12:08<valdyn>sysop2: the usbcore is irrelevant
12:09<valdyn>sysop2: blacklisted-modules:ohci_hcd 2.6.0 2.6.14 covers a specific kernel version range, you can modify that
12:09<valdyn>sysop2: umm no
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12:10<sidgyck>ppl don't coding on Java for a long time brains stop responding! :-)
12:10<valdyn>sysop2: you need to additionally have "UnloadBlacklistedModules yes", but thats probably the default
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12:12<sysop2>so how do I load and reload them by hand so I can my kb working for now
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12:12<sysop2>can get
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12:13<valdyn>sysop2: remove the ehci_hcd uhci_hcd and restart udev
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12:13<sysop2>ok thanks
12:14<valdyn>sysop2: *maybe* first stop, then start udev, instead of restart, its not the same
12:14<sidgyck>I have pentium-II 350 and asus-p2b motherboard (it not support HDD larger than 32GB) I have 40GB HDD and when I reboot bios not detect HDDs until I poweroff. How I can fix it?
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12:33<Supaplex>poor sidgyck gave up too early. most harddisks have a jumper setting to clip the harddisk
12:34<engywuck>do you know if the LRW cipher modus for cryptsetup works in debian lenny?
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12:54<sysop2>hey how do I unload the usb modules by hand again? my machine powered off before I could type them in.
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12:56<sysop2>the reason I am doing this is my overheats and powers off when I leave it on for too long so I am trying to setup a cron job to hibernate when I leave for the day.
12:56<witte>sysop2: rmmod
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12:57<sysop2>here is my problem, when I hibernate and return my usb keyboard and mouse stop working
13:00<sysop2>and someone showed me how to reload the modules by hand. but just as I was doing that my machine powered off.
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13:01<mgarcia>hola a todos
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13:02<sysop2>nm I just reliazed I have the conv saved.
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13:09<Sam36>Hello, I installed etch but I can not get my kde theme to show up in iceweasel. I have gtk-qt-engine gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-gtk-qt installed
13:10<Sam36>am I missing something?
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13:11<pbt>you mean , you have theme but it cant displayed?
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13:13<Supaplex>I thought FF would handle its own themes
13:13<pbt>Sam36: if you have download and unpack theme: check path and rights.
13:14<Sam36>no this is a theme that comes with kde
13:14<Sam36>in my other debian testing box the theme is also used by iceweasel, but in debian etch I can not get it\
13:15<pbt>Sam36: sorry i cant help you, i use opera.
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13:15<pbt>maybe you have to install it from repository?
13:15<Sam36>yes, usually all the gtk stuff is fine
13:16<pbt>version of debian is the same?
13:17<pbt>(maybe your favorit theme was excluded?)
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13:17<pbt>try to copy theme file and config
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13:48<Tha>is there somebody who can help with pcmcia lan card configure?
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13:50<amphi>Tha: it's really pcmcia? most likely cardbus, in which case it'll behave like any other pci device
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13:54<Tha>amphi: it uses pcmcia slot in notebook....
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13:56<Supaplex>Tha: try lspci anyway with the device in
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13:57<stond>can someone tell me what to type in terminal to change /media/disk-2 from read only to read and write I can not deletecreate or add folders and files to my psp when I connect it
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13:58<Supaplex>stond: mount /media/disk-2 -o remount,rw - however, some filesystem drivers are unable to support -o remount,rw and silently ignore that. unmount and remount manually if need be
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13:59<stond>thanks Supaplex i will give that a try
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14:01<stond>Supaplex thank you so much thanks i have been trying for 2 days to do that
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14:02<Supaplex>stond: sounds like a pmount oddity. np :)
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14:09<andresvia>Can I open a display in a remote machine with xtv?
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14:12<Woet`>How to setup my SSH server so it only allows certain IP's?
14:12<jjmiv>hey, wondering if someone can help me with a problem...
14:12<Woet`>i can set it to allow certain users, but how to do the same thing on IP's?
14:13<jjmiv>i boot into debian and it says "can't access tty job control turned off" and puts me at a (initramfs) prompt
14:13<mrsno__>Woet` using 'AllowHosts ' in the sshd config
14:13<mrsno__>or using iptables/firewall
14:14<mrsno__>for eg Woet`
14:14<Woet`>AllowHosts localhost,,
14:14<Woet`>will work?
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14:18<jjmiv>any suggestions for my issue? i've tried various forums and googled too
14:18<witte>jjmiv: did it work before or is it a new install? and which hardware do you have?
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14:20<Woet`>proftpd has 'lock users in their home directory'
14:20<Woet`>ssh doesnt
14:20<Woet`>this allows people to just edit and write files in other's home directories
14:20<Woet`>which is scary
14:20<witte>Woet`: you have to set permissions correct
14:20<Woet`>like, chmod?
14:21<Woet`>i just want 'lock users in their home directory' for SSH
14:21<Woet`>or allow only certain IP's to connect with ssh
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14:22<witte>Woet`: yes, if you have your user accounts not accessable to others, they can't write there (or read)
14:22<jjmiv>witte: this has worked before, i've had this server running for about 5 months
14:23<witte>jjmiv: ok, what triggered the fault? new kernel? new hardware?
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14:24<Woet`>witte: how to enable that>
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14:24<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or
14:24<Woet`>i cant chmod every single file on my server..
14:25<Woet`>how to enable only certain IP's to access my server?
14:25<Woet`>ssh that is
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14:26<jjmiv>witte: not sure, i was editing a web page
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14:27<jjmiv>witte: and when it wouldn't update the page, i ssh'd into the server and it says "read-only file system" then i rebooted and I ran through fsck and then rebooted again it brought me to this
14:28<witte>jjmiv: mmm, does not sound very familiar to me, could it be a hardware failure?
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14:30<witte>Woet`: "chmod -R o-rwx /home/" would disallow everyone to someone else's home directory, unless they are in the same group
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14:30<jjmiv>witte: my guess is that it does not see the boot partition
14:31<Woet`>but certain directories should be writeable by everybody
14:31<jjmiv>but when i try a mount command, it errors out
14:31<Woet`>How to only let SSH accept certain IP's?
14:31<witte>Woet`: but don't do that unless you are sure you can do this (if you have a ~/public_html, this will stop that directory from being accessible)
14:31<Woet`>How to only let SSH accept certain IP's?
14:31<witte>Woet`: read the answer other persons were giving you
14:31<dondelelcaro>Woet`: better to use iptables or rail2ban or similar
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14:32<Woet`>witte: i asked if i had was correct, nobody answered.
14:32<Woet`>[20:15:10] <Woet`> AllowHosts localhost,,
14:32<Woet`>[20:15:11] <Woet`> will work?
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14:33<witte>Woet`: did you try? I am not sure, maybe there should be \. in the ip's: "localhost, 127\.0\.0\.1, 1\.3\.3\.7"
14:33<Woet`>did you try?!
14:33<Woet`>if its wrong, i wont be able to access my dedi again
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14:38<jjmiv>i might just re-install debian
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14:39<witte>jjmiv: you might want to try a rescue cd or a live cd to fix the problem
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14:40<jjmiv>is there an alt CD for Debian?
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14:42<witte>Woet`: the thing you posted should be ok:
14:43<witte>Woet`: just keep one ssh session open while trying :-)
14:43<Woet`>ah, thats a good idea
14:43<witte>jjmiv: what do you mean with alt CD
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14:44<jjmiv>Alternate CD (rescue CD..etc)
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14:44<witte>jjmiv: you can use any debian cd as rescue cd i think (at least you can with the netinst) and you use the live cd
14:44<witte>!debian live
14:44<dpkg>it has been said that debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage:
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14:45<jjmiv>oh, how do i use the net inst CD? that's what I have on me
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14:47<witte>jjmiv: you just type rescue at the boot promt
14:47<jjmiv>witte: thank you, i will give that a try
14:47<witte>it does not have to be difficult :-)
14:47<jjmiv>back in a sec
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15:01<jjmiv>still waiting for it to boot to CD rom
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15:06<sasha>hi i managed to use my wifi card with wpa_supplicant , but i had to start it manually and configure everything with ifconfig , route , ... in DEbian site there is a guide explaining how to tweak /etc/netwokr/interfaces to let network-manager manage everything , did somebody here have any success with it
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15:12<jjmiv>strange, it won't boot to the CD now
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15:12<jjmiv>great, now i have 2 computers with potential problems..ha
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15:20<jjmiv>witte: ok, created a new CD and it is booting to rescue..
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15:23<Slackware>nie można ??
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15:24<ntimmy>what name is russian topic chanel?
15:24<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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15:25<ntimmy>OK thanks
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15:42<tingle>what is a light torrent client for debian etch?
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15:43<ntimmy>rtorrent IMHO
15:43<tingle>iirc rtorrent loads the whole download in mem
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15:45<ntimmy>apt-cache search torrent
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15:47<tingle>yeah ive seen some clients after using that line but im not sure which on is light ;) just wondering is someone here kewm
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15:52<AnglaChel>rtorrent is the only client I know of that doesn't try to load everything into mem.
15:52<AnglaChel>though it has been known to thrash hard drives because of that.
15:53<amphi>AnglaChel: it only thrashes when hashing here
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15:58<AnglaChel>I really never watched my hard drive with rtorrent...
15:58<petemc>didnt it trigger a kernell bug at some stage?
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16:38<muessli>gibt es eine Möglichkeit, den Installer davon zu überzeugen, anstatt der InstallationsCD ein entsprechendes InstallationISO-Image zu verwenden?
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16:42<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:44<chump2>hey guys i'm looking for a binary editor just work with 1's and 0's
16:44<chump2>anything like that?
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16:47<muessli>dpkg: ok, bin schon weg ;-)
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16:49<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
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16:59<jMCg>Hi folks
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17:01<jMCg>I'm having a problem after having introduced apt-pinning into my Etch server [vm, rather], I'm getting a segfault on aptitude update -- now that.. sucks. I am very ready to give up the pinning, and hope someone someone can tell me a fast, clean and painless way [ha ha..] to down-grade all the packages which have been accidently upgraded -- especially libc
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17:02<witte>chump2: apt-cache show beav
17:02<jMCg>apt-cache segfaults too.
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17:02<witte>jMCg: rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
17:03<jMCg>witte: done, still it segfaults.
17:04<witte>jMCg: what is the exact error you get
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17:04<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
17:04<jMCg>witte: metis:~# apt-get update
17:05<jMCg>a lot of lists
17:05<jMCg>Fetched 5B in 0s (14B/s)
17:05<jMCg>Segmentation faultsts... 97%
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17:06<witte>jMCg: I only know of rm the bin files that could work, but if it isn't that, try to downgrade the things you installed with dpkg -i oldversion.deb
17:06<jMCg>witte: ACK.
17:07<chump2>why would you want to downgrade?
17:08<jMCg>I think the safest way would be to get rid of the /etc/apt/sources for lenny, apt-get update, see it segfault, then apt-get download $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $1}') and get myself a cup of coffee while prepare for a long night...
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17:09<jMCg>chump2: 22:01 < jMCg> I'm having a problem after having introduced apt-pinning into my Etch server [vm, rather], I'm getting a segfault on aptitude
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17:10<witte>jMCg: or you could move to lenny, depends on how and for what you use the machine
17:10<jMCg>witte: production.
17:10<jMCg>No way.
17:10<jMCg>Supposed to be, rather.
17:10<ramoonas_>jMCG: you can downgrade a package using (example) "apt-get install samba="
17:11<ramoonas_>where after "=" you write a version of a package
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17:11<jMCg>ramoonas_: problem will only be, when apt-get segfaults too :)
17:11<ramoonas>missed that :)
17:11<ramoonas>dpkg -i
17:12<k-man>how can my make my extra mouse buttons work as expected with firefox?
17:12<k-man>like forwards and backwards
17:12<jMCg>ramoonas: metis:~# aptitude purge awffull
17:13<jMCg>Segmentation faultsts... 97%
17:13<jMCg>That package was the reason I introduced pinning.......
17:14<ramoonas>dpkg -r awffull
17:14*dpkg removes awffull along with a pound of flesh from ramoonas's body, then staples ramoonas back up with a staple gun.
17:14<ramoonas>does that work?
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17:15<jMCg>Funny... removing lenny from apt sources, then running aptitude update -> no segfault....
17:15<jMCg>Veeeeeeeeery eeeeeeeeeeenteresting.
17:16<jMCg>ramoonas: ^
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17:17<ramoonas>jMCg: are you trying to keep mixed system (stable and testing) i mean, do you have both, etch and lenny in your sources.list file?
17:17<jMCg>ramoonas: not anymore. I just commented lenny out, run aptitude update and it didn't segfault which leaves me without words or explanation.
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17:18<ramoonas>i think i know what the problem is. When you try to keep a mixed system you usually need to increase apt database size
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17:18<ramoonas>give me a sec
17:18<k-man>do you have to edit your xorg.conf to get the extra mouse buttons to work?
17:19<jMCg>k-man: do your extra mouse buttons work anywhere else?
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17:22<ramoonas>jMCg: i cant remember how to increase apt db size, but thats what you should look for
17:22<ramoonas>k-man: is "emulate 3 button mouse" enabled in xorg?
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17:23<ramoonas>jMCg: a good place to start:
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17:23<jMCg>It would be nice if apt* would communicate the need for a larger DB in a different manner, other than segfaulting.
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17:24<ramoonas>i guess thats the problem, but i could be wrong, i usually dont keep a mixed system, but once i tried and as far as i remember, everything worked well, but it did had to increase db size, thats for sure
17:25<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
17:26<ramoonas>good night everyone
17:26*ramoonas off
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17:40<Nerv^mich^nicht>i have a problem with / encrypted and booting
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17:40<Nerv^mich^nicht>sda1 is /boot (unencrypted)
17:41<Nerv^mich^nicht>sda2 is / (encrypted, luks)
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17:41<Nerv^mich^nicht>i modified /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab
17:41<Nerv^mich^nicht>ran update-initramfs
17:42<Nerv^mich^nicht>now init asks for passphrase
17:42<Supaplex>!nickometer Nerv^mich^nicht
17:42<dpkg>'Nerv^mich^nicht' is 26.000% lame, supaplex
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17:42<Supaplex>pardon my bordem :)
17:42<Engywuck>it says that it's unlocked but then comes
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17:43<Engywuck>"mount: Mounting /dev/sda2 on /root failed: No such device"
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17:43<devote>my first time on linux ubuntu
17:43<Engywuck>you had right, Supaplex
17:43<devote>can i install e-mule or something like that here?
17:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:43<Engywuck>anyone have an idea?
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17:45<Supaplex>Engywuck: if the initrd can run, try break=top iirc to bail out real early. I would expect it to be some other device name if it's encrypted, but I haven't played with these toys yet
17:45<Engywuck>it should be /dev/mapper/root
17:45<Engywuck>as i told in /etc/crypttab
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17:46<Engywuck>where to add break=top?
17:49<davi>!based on debian
17:49<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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17:49<Engywuck>hey, MY distri *is* lenny :)
17:50<Engywuck>hi marcello
17:50<devote>can i use something like e-mule on my ubuntu?
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17:50<Guest633>does anyone know what is the version of libexpat that the gnome ebuild installs by default? I ask this becouse I emerged dev-libs/expat and it broke all the applications that use expat
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17:50<craigevil>devote: go to #ubuntu
17:50<Engywuck>!tell devote about ubuntu
17:50<davi>Engywuck, My 'distribution' is etch. How is lenny working? Too much bugs to workaround?
17:50<devote>craigevil: thanks
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17:51<Engywuck>hell no
17:51<Engywuck>but i tried to use a crypted /
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17:51<Engywuck>and initramfs does trouble
17:51<davi>I see
17:51<davi>thanks Engywuck
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18:10<k-man>jMCg, no, don't think so
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18:12<jMCg>k-man: then you will have to touch it.
18:12<k-man>ah, ok, thanks jMCg
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18:16<k-man>jMCg, ok, i updated xorg.conf, and now xev reports different button numbers for the back and forward
18:17<k-man>how do i make firefox respond to them?
18:17<XTF>Hi. How do I tell mount to ignore /etc/fstab? It has wrong options for /
18:17<jMCg>k-man: I have not the slightest bit of an idea.
18:17<DaCapn>XTF what about correcting the options?
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18:17<jMCg>I'm a CLI dork. I run, configure, break, debug, etc, servers. I don't touch GUI.
18:18<XTF>DaCapn: I can't edit /etc/fstab, as / is read-only.
18:18<jMCg>XTF: sudo ;)
18:19<XTF>jMCg: I'm root already, it's read-only because it can't be mounted rw due to those wrong options
18:19<XTF>So I want to remount it rw manually.
18:19<themill>XTF: you can remount rw -- mount -n -o remount,rw iirc
18:19<jMCg>Oh.. / ouch... well.. mount -oremount / ?
18:20<jMCg>Yeah, what themill said., kind of. or man mount
18:20<themill>XTF: some combination of the two....
18:20<themill>mount -n -o remount, rw /
18:20<XTF>themill: It's still complaining about bad options if I do that
18:21<themill>can you pastebin the actual error?
18:22<DaCapn>If you can't get any of this to work, you could always boot the system from a bootable CD, mount the rootfs and edit fstab
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18:25<XTF>EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "{{acl}}" or missing value
18:25<XTF>mount: / not mounted already, or bad option
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18:26<themill>XTF: is a live cd such as knoppix feasible for you to use to fix this?
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18:28<XTF>themill: Yes, but it's just a test VM, so in that case I'd rather just reinstall the entire thing.
18:28<XTF>But I can't belief there's no option to fix such a simple mistake without that.
18:28<themill>XTF: you could also try the -s option to mount. That tells it to ignore options that it (or the underlying fs) doesn't understand.
18:28<XTF>themill: Done already, didn't change anything.
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18:29<themill>XTF: hang on... that message you pasted says that you don't actually have / mounted, so you can't use remount.
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18:30<amizya>hello all .. can i help you ?
18:30<XTF>themill: I think it's the second part of the or that makes it true.
18:31<ali>hi guys i have fresh install debian testing and i need extra repos for compiz synaptic sound codec etc...
18:31<dec>anyone know why in gnome my psp isn't recognized, it won't show up at all
18:31<themill>XTF: indeed. For a vm image, you could also mount the image on loopback on the host to edit fstab outside the image. But you're right, there should be a way around this within the image.
18:32<XTF>themill: The host is Windows...
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18:35<dec>anyone know why in gnome my psp isn't recognized, it won't show up at all
18:36<themill>dpkg: what is psp?
18:36<dpkg>themill: I think you lost me on that one
18:36<dpkg>psp are Pot Smokin Programmers
18:36<dec>play station portable
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18:38<themill>How do you expect it to show up? Are you plugging it in as a usb device? You want to see it as a usb mass storage device?
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18:40<dec>plugging in usb and it should show up as a mass storage device
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18:49<themill>dec: do you have other usb mass storage devices working in that way?
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18:53<Engywuck>damn damn damn
18:53<Engywuck>i am so dumb
18:53<Engywuck>corrected *everything* after my move to encrypted /
18:53<Engywuck>but forgot that the kernel command line in grub still had init=/dev/sda2
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18:55<clondike>hey guys i'm looking for a program to edit files on a binary level
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18:57<themill>clondike: apt-cache search hexedit
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19:13<dec>yes this one is not showing up
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19:17<themill>dec: are there any entries in daemon.log or in messages or in dmesg when you plug it in?
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19:27<agent_double_o>Possibly a dumb question, but... is there anything wrong with using an entire device as opposed to creating a single partition that spans the entire volume?
19:27<agent_double_o>e.g. mkfs /dev/sde
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19:28<Engywuck>fdisk -l gives strange output
19:28<agent_double_o>As opposed to creating a partition, namely /dev/sde1, that spans the entire drive
19:28<Engywuck>i used long time a usb stick with no partition without problems
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19:29<agent_double_o>Cool, that's what I'm about to do
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19:30<agent_double_o>But I've never seen a linux guide/tutorial that mentions plopping a filesystem on an entire volume without first creating a partition
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19:30<Engywuck>well, fdisk -l gives strange output
19:30<agent_double_o>Figured there had to be a reason
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19:30<agent_double_o>Yeah, I noticed that
19:31<Engywuck>dunno if perhaps some strange utils always assume there's a partition table
19:31<agent_double_o>But strange output doesn't concern me, so long as it's not going to break
19:31<Engywuck>fact is, you lose some bytes if using a partition table
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20:54<alaya>Aleric: ?
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21:07<alaya>just wanted to ask, outside of the flash issue with iceweasel, any other major issues with amd64 port?
21:08<amphi>works fine here
21:08<chealer>alaya: which flash issue with iceweasel?
21:08<alaya>chealer: the fact that there's no 64-bit version, so some workaround must be used
21:09<alaya>i guess the java issue also, but i really don't care about java
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21:09<chealer>alaya: flashplugin-nonfree is available for amd64
21:09<alaya>chealer: oh! did that change recently?
21:09<chealer>alaya: yes
21:10<alaya>i guess then Aleric's hard work was not necessary :-(
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21:11<Aleric>flashplugin-nonfree is removed
21:11<alaya>wow i am switching very soon then. thanks you guys.
21:11<alaya>in sid?
21:12<alaya>anyhow, flash was not a main reason for not switching. was concerned about any other possible issues.
21:12<Aleric>It's not in testing, and will be removed from stable too once lenny becomes stable
21:12<alaya>to amd64 from i386 on a core2duo
21:12<chealer>Aleric: flashplugin-nonfree was already removed from stable
21:12<amphi>Aleric: really? why?
21:13<Aleric>alaya: I see no reason not to switch to amd64; but the plugins really only exist for 32-bit :/
21:13<Aleric>I don't think that works out of the box on debian.
21:13<alaya>wait. is what chealer said incorrect? it is not available?
21:13<p_quarles>wasn't flashplugin-nonfree simply replaced by flashplayer-mozilla?
21:14<chealer>p_quarles: no. flashplayer-mozilla uses a free Flash pleuse-implementation. the software mainly provides bugs.
21:14<Engywuck>and isn't there some compatibility layer for amd64?
21:15<Aleric>There is this wrapper thing, but I couldn't get that to work.
21:15<p_quarles>Engywuck: yes, nspluginwrapper
21:15<p_quarles>it all works just fine for me, in Lenny AMD64
21:15<Aleric>As soon as it really works on debian, then I'm sure that the correct apt-get will work... But I have no need for it anymore.
21:15<Aleric>p_quarles: You can run java applets too?
21:16<p_quarles>Aleric: no
21:16<Engywuck>i thought linux32
21:16<Aleric>Define 'all' then.
21:16*chealer looks for brain bug
21:16<p_quarles>Aleric: :P I was talking about Flash, i.e., the topic of the question
21:16<Aleric>p_quarles: Are you using the wrapper, or are you running iceweasel in 32-bit root?
21:17<p_quarles>Aleric: 64-bit IW with the wrapper
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21:17<Aleric>Well, I couldn't find any working documentation on how to get that working :/
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21:18<Engywuck>another question:
21:18<p_quarles>Aleric: couldn't help you with that, I'm afraid -- it managed to install automatically on my system
21:19<Engywuck>aptitude always Suggests kde-i18n on kde packages
21:19<Engywuck>but always (UNAVAILABLE)
21:19<Engywuck>is this ok?
21:19<Engywuck>(using lenny)
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21:21<Engywuck>kde-i18n-de is installed, so I had assumes that these packages provide "kde-i18n" "flags"
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21:25<qq><Engywuck> kde-i18n is a generic package , thats mean is replaced by system set of language/locale
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21:25<chealer>Engywuck: looks like an aptitude bug
21:25<Engywuck>just wondering about the "UNAVAILABLE"
21:25<chealer>(they do)
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21:47<qq>chealer: package name " kde-i18n" does't exist like .deb . The name come from source kde-i18n_-...orig.tar.gz, and than debianized in module (flags) by languages like kde-i18n-uk /de/fr//
21:50<chealer>qq: yes, but it's also a virtual package
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21:52<qq>chealer: yes, as I say below <qq> <Engywuck> kde-i18n is a generic package
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21:56<chealer>qq: virtual package is the jargon term. I'm not sure what you mean by " is replaced by system set of language/locale"
21:56<chealer>anyway, I have to go
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22:00<john>I have a question about dynamic dns, where would be the best IRC chanel to ask it?
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22:26<qq>Based on local environment definition/s ie LANG=en_US.UTF-8 python? tell to apt @co to choose the specific system package ie kde-i18n-us tanks chealer,
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22:49<ijurisic>I install BitchX
22:49<ijurisic>How to replace default irc server ?
22:49<ijurisic>I wont default irc server for exp.
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23:07<alaya>did someone mention free noodles? oh!
23:08<qq>he's gone
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23:15*Designed is away: I'm Busy
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23:29<_spOOn_>anyone here use vmware?
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23:36<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
23:37<_spOOn_>i am trying out vmware server 2 beta
23:37<_spOOn_>but it requires you to login to the VI as the root user
23:38<_spOOn_>i would consider this to be a huge security flaw
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23:38<_spOOn_>wondered if anyone knew of a way to use vms as a standard user
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23:39<stuart>im trying to install windows XP on my 3rd hard drive, yet it wants to write data to my first drive. What gives?
23:40<stuart>is that becuase only the first drive is bootable or something?
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23:51<abrotman>stuart: this is #debian
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23:51<stuart>yeah, but linux is ccupying the 1st 2 disks lol
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23:51<stuart>there must be pple who have tried installed windows here
23:52<stuart>occupying even
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23:52<stuart>or cinversely had windows eating 2 disks and then tried to install linux
23:52<stuart>when i had only 2 disks
23:52<stuart>installing both was not an issue
23:52<abrotman>it's not supported here
23:53<abrotman>maybe ask ##windows on freenode
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