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00:14<peyman_>what was the package that contains all manuals for C functions and Unix system calls?
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00:15<peyman_>it was something like dev-doc
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00:16<peyman_>found it
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00:24<sortadi>I have this encoding problem with some filenames and the characters that are not supported by the new encoding are displayed as rectangles
00:24<sortadi>is there any way I could change this?
00:24<keith>Debian4.0. What is the command to configure a new monitor. I bought a ISUS and am using it now but want to optimise it? At present it is not quite right.
00:25<sortadi>keith, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
00:26<zarchne>sortadi: What's your $LANG variable set to?
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00:26<sortadi>zarchne, i have the es_VE locales
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00:27<zarchne>sortadi: If you type "echo $LANG" from the shell prompt, what do you get?
00:27<sortadi>zarchne, you see. I usted to have these files on a windows machine, then on a linux iso-8859-1 machine then in this which is utf-8
00:27<sortadi>zarchne, es_VE.UTF-8
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00:28<sortadi>zarchne, I think they got "corrupted" somwhere between these changes
00:28<zarchne>sortadi: okay, but you want es_VE ISO-8859-1
00:28<sortadi>zarchne, no. I want it like it is now. but I'd like to correct the filename problem
00:29<zarchne>If you just say "LANG=es_VE", do they then display correctly with ls?
00:29<sortadi>zarchne, so they're displayed like recognizable characters and not just rectangles
00:29<sortadi>zarchne, le met see
00:29<sortadi>*let me
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00:33<sortadi>zarchne, under es_VE it's still the same
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00:35<zarchne>sortadi: Did they still look right on the iso-8859-1 machine, or did you notice?
00:36<zarchne>How did the files get moved?
00:36<sortadi>zarchne, I didn't notice that
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00:37<sortadi>zarchne, I'm not even sure which were the previous charsets
00:37<sortadi>zarchne, All i know this right now is utf-8
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00:39<zarchne>sortadi: I'm trying to figure out if the data is still there.
00:39<witte> /quit
00:39<sortadi>zarchne, it's still there
00:39<sortadi>zarchne, the files are audio files and I can still listen to them when renamed
00:39<sortadi>zarchne, but the this is that it's lots of them for single renameing
00:39<zarchne>sortadi: by "data" in this context I mean the file names
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00:48<zarchne>sortadi: I'm still thinking about your problem.
00:49<sortadi>zarchne, so isn't there a way (script or utility) to rename those files to something without that issue?
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00:49<sortadi>zarchne, I've tried using krename but the rectangles are not the same from file to file, even though they look the same
00:49<zarchne>sortadi: Maybe. I was kinda hacking one together in perl.
00:50<zarchne>sortadi: That's good news.
00:50<sortadi>I mean, what the rectangle hides is not the same
00:50<zarchne>sortadi: Right, that's good.
00:50<sortadi>so there's something "behind" the rectangle
00:51<sortadi>zarchne, I tried using the encoding plugin of krename, but it won't work. Not sure if it's me or the plugin itself
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00:52<zarchne>I don't know what krename is.
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00:58<zarchne>sortadi: You can try running this from the command line in a directory with the bad file names:
00:58<sortadi>zarchne, ok, pastebin it
00:58<zarchne>perl -e 'opendir D, "."; while ($x = readdir D) { print $x, " "; while ($y = substr $x, 0, 1, substr($x, 1, 0)) { print ord($y), ", " } print "\n"; }'
00:59<zarchne>(Not that long.)
00:59<zarchne>That should show you the actual byte values (in decimal) associated with each file name.
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01:02<zarchne>for hex, change 'print ord($y), ", "' to 'printf "%x ", ord($y);'
01:02<zarchne>sortadi: so, can you see what they're hiding?
01:03<sortadi>zarchne, let me pastebin the output
01:08<zarchne>sortadi: Still there? I'm being called away...
01:09<sortadi>pastebin gets stucky at times
01:10<zarchne>my bad.
01:14<zarchne>try this one:
01:14<zarchne>perl -e 'opendir D, "."; while ($x = readdir D) { print $x, " "; while (($y = substr $x, 0, 1, substr($x, 1, 0)) ne "") { printf "%x ", ord($y); } print "\n"; }'
01:15<zarchne>update the paste with the results of that.
01:16<zarchne>sortadi: okay?
01:16<sortadi>let me try
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01:20<zarchne>sortadi: do you happen to know what code page or whatever it was under windows?
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01:21<sortadi>zarchne, not at all. That was ages ago
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01:23<zarchne>sortadi: I have to take a break, but it looks like the "filename data" is still there in a single-byte encoding. Perl can rename these files if we have a map from the old byte to the new bytes.
01:23<sortadi>zarchne, I see
01:24<sortadi>zarchne, I actually don't need that level of accuracy. Couldn't we just get rid of those bytes?
01:24<sortadi>that's all I need for now
01:24<sortadi>I'll retag the songs later with care
01:25<sortadi>zarchne, but if you have to go, you could ping me when you come back
01:25<sortadi>zarchne, I always have this thing on
01:25<sortadi>zarchne, thanks
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03:07<chealer>qq: yeah, but virtual packages don't do that unfortunately. APT just chooses any package which provides the virtual package like at random
03:08<Supaplex>apt-get install dinner
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03:11<twb>Here, aptitude fails unless you explicitly pick a non-virtual Provider of that virtual.
03:12<zarchne>sortadi: You have a program /usr/bin/prename, right?
03:12<sortadi>zarchne, yes
03:12<chealer>The following NEW packages will be installed:
03:13<chealer>Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
03:13<chealer>Did you drink too much to avoid doing stupid jokes on #debian [Y]?
03:14<zarchne>sortadi: You can change all the non-printable chars in all subdirectories to e.g. _ as follows:
03:14<zarchne>find . -print0 | xargs -0 prename 's/[^[:graph:]]/_/g'
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03:15<Supaplex>zarchne: does prename have a --dry-run of sorts?
03:15<zarchne>Supaplex: the man page says "-n".
03:16<sortadi>zarchne, hmm I see
03:16<Supaplex>sounds like a good way to preview your mistakes :)
03:16<sortadi>zarchne, so with the -n option i can test it then
03:17*Supaplex spooks the cat, and watches him jump!
03:18<zarchne>Also, by default it won't write two files to the same name, so you don't have to worry about that.
03:19<Supaplex>bah filenames. real men use inode numbers!
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03:22<Arelis>that didn't work
03:22<Arelis>it threw out my network connection
03:24<Arelis>ah, i think i've got it
03:24<phorce1>Arelis: you're posting on the wrong #debian -- the people you were discussing this with are over on freenode, you're on oftc
03:24<Arelis>woops, alright, sorr
03:25<Arelis>i have my client set to connect to oftc as a backup - when freenode fails
03:25*phorce1 connects to both and freezes them into specific wndows to avoid confuddlifying his brain
03:26<Supaplex>phorce1: we're stuck in this irc paradox. i think ^A^D will solve it until morning. >:)
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03:29<twb>OK, why isn't sudo working on my new Lenny box?
03:29*phorce1 is only about halfway through the 34oz latte he fixed up earlier (30 oz of espresso and 4 oz of milk)
03:30<twb>I have "%cyber ALL=(ALL) ALL" in /etc/sudoers, and "id twb" reports that I'm in the "cyber" group... but sudo -l says I have no sudo rights.
03:31<Lucky>I am trying to install non-free rar on my etch system. I have non-free enabled in sources.list and apt-get update shows that the non-free repository is being queried. Yet rar does not show up in an apt-cache search. What am I missing? Found others on Google with the same problem, but no solution.
03:31<twb>Lucky: rar-nonfree?
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03:32<twb>Sorry, it's just "rar"
03:32<Supaplex>this cat is a little perturbed seeing a laser pointer dot on his tail
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03:33<Lucky>twb: apt-cache search rar finds unrar-free, but not rar
03:33<gsimmons>Lucky: Please provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file and `apt-cache policy rar' at a paste site.
03:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
03:34<twb>Lucky: maybe you can still just apt-get install it.
03:35<phorce1>Lucky: try apt-cache search "rar " (note the space)
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03:35<twb>What's even weirder is that an almost identical Lenny system *doesn't* manifest the problem, and it has the same contents in sudoers and id twb, and the same version of sudo.
03:35<sortadi>zarchne, thanks a lot
03:35<sortadi>zarchne, it worked like a charm
03:35*sortadi needs to get into bash ASAP
03:36<Lucky>I am a dummy. I added the non-free to the lines, not the regular archive URL lines. :-)
03:38<phorce1>woohoo. My script to grab doppler radar images and save them for later animation actually works. Now I just need to work out how to get it to name then with leading zeroes for the filenames (using the iteration number to name them sequentially but then "animate" loads "10 - 19" before it loads "2"
03:39<twb>printf %02d $i
03:39<twb>for i in ?; do mv $i 0$i; done
03:41<phorce1>twb: I'm a bash dummy, it took me 2 days to use simple echoes and get let "y+=1" working
03:41<zarchne>um, yeah.
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03:43*zarchne is actually a zsh user, the real trick is learning find, xargs, perl, etc.
03:43<josh>little help: what else can i use besides emerald with compiz
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03:43<Guest701>(comiz fusion)
03:43<twb>xargs blows
03:44<twb>Learn find -exec f {} +
03:44<phorce1>this requires a double nested loop to test if the downloaded file is the same as the last one downloaded and rename + iterate up only if it is different.
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03:44<twb>phorce1: try #bash on Freenode.
03:44<Guest701>what is an alternative to emerald with compiz
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03:45<Guest701>i'm dying here
03:45<peterS>you're not dying here
03:45<Supaplex>Guest701: LSD ;)
03:46<zarchne>I like : $((y++))
03:46<suiside>Guest701: repeating your question every two minutes won't get you anymore answers, just be patient
03:46<Guest701>just repeating for new people
03:46<peterS>you _are_ the new people, dude
03:46<twb>Guest701: in #debian, it is considered rude to do so.
03:47<Guest701>(sorry) i dont talk much on irc, but i will obide by the rules
03:48<phorce1>twb: I'll get over there at some point. Too many irons right now. As you can see in the paste I "manually" added "00" in front of every filename then I wrote another short little script that makes it easy to rename them by hand just typing "ren00 NN" where NN is the number after the 00 in the saved filenames. I can rename 100 files in about 3 minutes.
03:48<Supaplex>Guest701: sun has their own toy. it's java powered, so has nasty latency issues, and it's really only a toy.
03:49<twb>phorce1: I'm not going to help you if you're going to ask the wrong channel how to write bash scripts.
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03:49<zarchne>twb: Ah, "{} +" is new to me.
03:49<Supaplex>phorce1: you could rename them to their creation date+timestamp of somesort.
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03:49<twb>zarchne: it is for the making Big Love!
03:49<phorce1>twb: Wasn't asking actually. Just stating "WooHoo, the part that I wrote actually works".
03:49<twb>phorce1: fair enough.
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03:50*Supaplex 's greymatter supercomputing cluster is going down for nightly maintenance
03:50<zarchne>I'm not sure there's a big advantage over -print0 | xargs -0 ...
03:50<phorce1>twb: I'll /j #bash and ask there when I get time to play with it more. the clouds have gone away so it's a boring endeavor right now. <grin>
03:51<twb>zarchne: conciseness, fewer forks, and less dumping of gobs of data through a pipe
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03:51<phorce1>Supaplex: I've had myself marked /away for 30 minutes already <sigh>
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03:51*Supaplex returns to disable the speaker *cough*
03:52*phorce1 has his speaker playing Killer, Dead Kennedy's, Pennywise, NoFX
03:53<peterS>zarchne: well but ... -print0 is GNU/BSD specific, won't work on legacy Unixes. wait, neither will find +.
03:55<twb>peterS: -exec + is XSI standard.
03:55<peterS>is it really? I hadn't heard of it until quite recently
03:55<twb>In theory it should work on just about anything.
03:55<peterS>just about anything ... updated in the past 2 years? or?
03:55<twb>Of course, it's not *true* -- FC3 doesn't have it, for example :-/
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03:56<twb> -->
03:57<twb>``The "-exec ... {} +" syntax adopted was a result of IEEE PASC Interpretation 1003.2 #210.''
03:57<peterS>yeah I don't know if we can actually rely on C compilers with prototypes ... so new-fangled...
03:58<twb>FUTURE DIRECTIONS: None.
03:58<twb>...awesome. Bleak, like my soul!
03:58<peterS>I have no future directions either
03:58<twb><gene wilder> we can go upwards, downwards, sideways, slantways, ...
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04:01<zepard>hi peopla
04:01<peterS>what's a peopla?
04:02<zepard>:) misstyped
04:03<zarchne>twb: you make my world taste good.
04:05<zepard>i have problems compiling a driver for rtl8180, maybe something required I didn't install, I have sid with linux-headers installed; and I have this error "scripts/ /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory"
04:06<twb>zepard: are you using module-assistant?
04:06<zepard>no , i don't think that
04:07<zepard>i am only trying to compile with make
04:07<twb>That is Dumb.
04:07<zepard>what is dumb
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04:12<zepard>I tried th 23 and 24 kernels and still the same problem what do you think about this, something to install before compile rtl-wifi
04:14<zepard>it is the second driver I am trying to compile and i've got the same error :(
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04:22<gsimmons>zepard: Which wireless chipset are you attempting to use? If you have a RTL8187-based card, you can simply load the "rtl8187" module supplied within kernels 2.6.23 and up.
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04:24<zepard>its rtl8180l
04:24<cwood>A question about xmms replacement bits. Is there something for Audacious or similar that is like xmmsfind?
04:24<zepard>but i can try this one
04:24<zepard>gsimmons, how do you load this module
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04:27<gsimmons>zepard: No, don't, it's wouldn't be appropriate for the RTL8180L.
04:27<gsimmons>!tell zepard -about rtl-wifi
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04:28<zepard>i tried ubuntu live cd and it works on it i should maybe find the driver is used on it
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04:29<zepard>gsimmons, i have the latest svn (the freezed versions too) it the same error when compiling
04:29<zepard>i have the error pasted above
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04:45<zepard>I don't understand the process of installing drivers and modules, if you load a module on kernel, should the wireless work directly?
04:46<zepard>how can I choose drivers for a wireless for example, if I have lot of them installed or LOADED?
04:46<zepard>hwo to know whoch one is used by the wireless (for example)
04:47<zepard>installed driver means loaded one yes?
04:48<muep>I think installed usually means just that the dirver is available on the computer
04:48<muep>not necessarily loaded
04:49<fred__>hmmm i have problem with network
04:49<muep>if you load a driver that is not needed, usually nothing happens
04:49<fred__>where i try to connect to i become to
04:51<zepard>muep, what do you mean by available?
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04:51<muep>zepard: it's on the hard disk
04:52<muep>and it works if needed
04:52<muep>for example, I have tons of modules installed with the kernel that came with the linux distro I am using
04:53<muep>but only some of them are loaded
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04:54<zepard>muep, what happens when loading module A and module B. A and B are used for the same purpose
04:54<zepard>muep is there an order
04:55<shyam_k>i tried converting malayalam unicode to iso-8859-1 string,as said in the lcdproc mailing list...but it gives me some series of question marks only..
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04:56<muep>zepard: I'm not entirely sure
04:57<muep>zepard: but you can unload modules with modprobe -r module_name
04:57<muep>for device drivers, they usually don't do anything if you use a driver that doesn't have its device present
04:58<muep>so it shouldn't matter if you have multiple wireless device drivers loaded
04:58<zepard>yes but if you have more than one driver for a device and you xant to switch or even know which driver is used is it possible to do?
04:58<muep>modprobe -r the driver not wanted
04:59<muep>and then modprobe the other
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04:59<muep>if you want it permanent, put the undesired module into the module blacklist
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05:00<zepard>is there a way to know the driver used for a particular device
05:00<cahoot>zepard: see the info in /msg dpkg blacklist
05:01<muep>zepard: lsmod shows what's loaded
05:01<muep>I don't know much further than that
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05:02<zepard>there is certainly a link that is shown somehow between device and module used for it.
05:04<cahoot>zepard: for some devices the udev rules tells what module the device uses
05:07<zepard>cahoot, humm
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05:09<zepard>cahoot, if I try to find my pcmcia wifi device's driver used in the kernel?
05:09<zepard>what to do?
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05:25<stuart>has anyone mucked around with Win XP running from vmserver?
05:26<zepard>to compile a kernel, I need to get the source of the kernel I am running on yes? is the linux-headers... is the right package for that
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05:26<Designed>quemu *_*
05:27<zarchne>zepard: kernel-package is good to have.
05:27<zepard>compile a driver
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05:28<chealer>zepard: you need to get the Linux headers for the Linux image you are running, yes
05:28<zarchne>oh, for just a driver, linux-headers-nn may be enough.
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05:28<zepard>chealer, it should be enough
05:28<zarchne>Sometimes the driver source will document otherwise.
05:29<chealer>zepard: not necessarily...but by the way, I don't see why you'd compile rtl818*
05:29<chealer>zepard: which Linux version do you use?
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05:31<zepard>chealer, why is there a driver for my card
05:31<zepard>in the kernel
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05:32<chealer>zepard: there should be rtl8187, yes
05:33<zepard>ok I ll try it
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05:33<zepard>I load the module
05:33<zepard>what is the next step
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05:34<chealer>zepard: why would there be a next step? doesn't it already work?
05:34<zepard>I should only load the module?
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05:35<chealer>zepard: well, if you just want to "install" the driver, yes
05:35<zepard>I don't see any wlan0 until now :(
05:36<zepard>at least not with ifconfig
05:36<zepard>an ifup doesn't work
05:36<chealer>zepard: just # ifconfig? did you try # ifconfig -a; ?
05:36<zepard>it says no such device
05:36<zepard>the same
05:37<chealer>zepard: what does lspci say about the chipset?
05:37<gsimmons>zepard: Again, the rtl8187 driver isn't appropriate for RTL8180L-based cards.
05:37<zepard>that's what I see
05:42<zepard>it's bizarr yesyterday I succeded in ifup of wlan0
05:43<chealer>yeah, gsimmons is right. sorry
05:48<gsimmons>zepard: AFAICT, there's currently no rtl-wifi subversion revision available which successfully compiles on 2.6.24, at least WRT i386. See <>. There is a modified revision (rtl818x-mod2.6.24.tar.bz2) made available by a third-party, which enables compilation of the rtl8180 driver on 2.6.24 kernels, at the apparent expense of RTL8185 support.
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05:50<alanhaggai>Hi. I have just install Debian Etch r3 in my laptop. I wish to have a good sources.list with stable packages. Can anyone recommend good sources.list entries? At least the main entries?
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05:53<zepard>gsimmons, i'll try it, thx
05:56<zepard>gsimmons, the error they have is different , I am suspecting something missing in requirements to compile
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05:57<gsimmons>zepard: Have you previously executed "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"?
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06:00<zepard>gsimmons, yes
06:00<zepard>i have the headers
06:03<kmap>alanhaggai: What do you mean by good sources.list entries? Isn't a single entry (and an extra for security) enough?
06:03<kmap>alanhaggai: Or do you want external repositories?
06:04<zepard>gsimmons, i have 24-1 but the version of package says 24-4 is it normal
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06:06<alanhaggai>kmap, external repositories. That is, having more stable packages.
06:06<kmap>alanhaggai: Well, it depends on what you want, for example, debian-multimedia is a popular one maintained by a Debian developer
06:07<kmap>However, for most practical purposes, the "stable" part is satisfied by the main Debian repository; people wander elsewhere only if their needs are unsatisfied by these
06:07<gsimmons>zepard: Attempt a compilation of the modified rtl-wifi driver for 2.6.24. If you encouter build errors, paste the _complete_ output of your compilation attempt at a paste site.
06:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:07<alanhaggai>kmap, I see. For example, I would like to install pidgin. It is not there in the stable branch.
06:07<kmap>alanhaggai: But isn't that "gaim" in Etch?
06:09<alanhaggai>kmap, Yes. Found gaim. Thank you.
06:10<kmap>alanhaggai: Of course, if new versions aer needed, may help. But stable is the most stable. :-)
06:10<alanhaggai>kmap, Thank you very much for the information. :-)
06:10<kmap>alanhaggai: Most welcome. :-)
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06:32<Tuplad>how can I let memtest86+ run at startup ?
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06:41<m4steR>how to send/receive file with bluetooth?
06:42<m4steR>i'm using debian etch
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06:47<suiside>m4steR: there's bluetooth tools in the bluez-gnome and kdebluetooth packages, as well as gnome-bluetooth but that's only available in lenny and sid
06:47<suiside>m4steR: next time, try to search yourself with apt-cache or
06:48<m4steR>i installed yet bluez-gnome
06:48<m4steR>but i don't know to do
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06:49<suiside>m4steR: read the README and manpages installed
06:50<m4steR>i have founded this page:
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06:51<zepard>gsimmons, i copiled the modified driver rtl8187 you mentionned
06:52<zepard>with the makedrv script
06:53<zepard>but the install script seems bizarr and done for ubuntu
06:54<gsimmons>zepard: Wrong driver. I mentioned "rtl818x-mod2.6.24.tar.bz2" previously, not "rtl8187b-modified".
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07:02<RParade>My fonts look horrible under Debian Etch.. I've tried reconfiguring fontconfig to no avail..
07:02<RParade>Any ideas? I'm running on a 19'' widescreen Dell LCD, if that helps
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07:04<Engywuck_>what do you mean exactly?
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07:08<RParade>Well, some of my fonts look "decent" (but are still very rough and nasty in comparison to what they should be)
07:08<RParade>If I use something like torsmo, the font is unreadable..
07:08<RParade>Most terminal text in general is unreadable..
07:08<RParade>Unless I go to tty1 for example
07:09<zepard>ok gsimmons
07:09<zepard>I have the same error
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07:10<zepard>i mean the same compile error like the rtl8187
07:13<zepard>gsimmons, why did the make look at a MAKEFILE in scripts/basic directory it doesn't exist
07:13<Engywuck_>hmmm, have you tested font smoothing?
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07:17<twb>Anybody know offhand why Xorg 7.3 isn't migrating to testing?
07:18<azeem>"xorg is waiting for xorg-server"
07:19<Engywuck_>7.2 works, that's why? ;-)
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07:19<azeem>and that, I think there was discussion about waiting for 7.4 or so
07:20<twb>Engywuck: that's not how unstable->testing migration works.
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07:20<Engywuck>yeah, i know
07:20<azeem>twb: things like usually need manual attention to migrate
07:21<hypnotic>hi there, i am looking for a bookmark editor/manager for my konqueror bookmarks which has some tools to sort all the bookmarks and remove duplicates, anybody now such an app?
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07:29<zepard>it seems that I can't compile anything
07:29<gsimmons>zepard: WFM, see <>. I noticed that line 1 of your paste doesn't have your present working directory stated at M= for some reason.
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07:30<rabby__>how to install xxd?
07:30<rabby__>anyway it is missing :(
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07:30<zepard>i see
07:31<zepard>I used sudo to compile it
07:31<zepard>that's why
07:31<gsimmons>zepard: Uh-huh. Don't do that.
07:32<zepard>it's ok it's ciompiled now
07:32<zepard>why is it a problem with that
07:33<hypnotic>hi there, i am looking for a bookmark editor/manager for my konqueror bookmarks which has some tools to sort all the bookmarks and remove duplicates, anybody now such an app?
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07:34<zepard>gsimmons, and now I should load the ko file?
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07:40<gsimmons>zepard: 1) You don't need superuser privilege just to compile drivers, it's only necessary when installing them. 2) sudo resets the environment on Debian systems to only contain specific variables, which removes $PWD, which was required by the Makefile to supply this value to the make command.
07:41<zepard>i agree
07:41<zepard>have you an idea to install now
07:41<gsimmons>zepard: You'll also need to remove the mainline ieee80211 stack from the 2.6.24 kernel, as the rtl-wifi driver is incompatible with it. Refer to the rtl-wifi wiki again. Then, you can load the r8180 module.
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07:42<zepard>yes I saw that I should remove it
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07:48<darin>hello everyone, may ask for help? i've made a copy of HDD using "acronis true image enterprise server" and now both disk can not boot debian!
07:48<twb>I hate the whole rigamarole you have to go through for wifi drivers.
07:51<alaya>any amd64 users? is amd64 a lot faster than i386 on the same hardware?
07:51<alaya>hi twb, its pretty easy with module-assistant
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07:53<twb>alaya: no it's not; you still need to rebuild the modules every time you upgrade the kernel, which in turn means that you need to keep the kernel headers and the really old gcc installed.
07:54<alaya>twb: how often do you upgrade the kernel? if you're using stable, it should be very seldom
07:54<twb>I don't use stable for anything lame enough to have wireless
07:54<alaya>twb: and the kernel headers are taken care of as a dependency when m-a is run
07:54<twb>If it has wifi it's bound to be some damn fool laptop
07:54<dpkg>unstable is probably the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
07:55<alaya>basically you are supposed to be responsible if you are using unstable
07:55<twb>alaya: you can't use m-a prepare to install things if the current kernel doesn't have the NIC driver you're trying to m-a a-i!
07:56<twb>I am *responsible* but I'm also *lazy*.
07:56<alaya>even so, i use it and dealing with the wireless drivers is trivial
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07:56<Marco92>hi man
07:56<alaya>twb: true
07:56<twb>As it happens this eeePC needs m-a for both the wired *and* wireless NICs :-/
07:56<Marco92>sorry: can anyone help me whith debian and kde?
07:56<alaya>twb: but still its not a big deal. m-a a-i <driver> is the only step after a new kernel upgrade
07:56<twb>It's one of the reasons I'm using testing instead of sid.
07:57<twb>alaya: assuming you've left the compiler and headers installed
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07:57<user2008>anybody can look why apache2 doesn't find suexec, even all stuff are configured properly (as I suppose). here is outpur for apache -V, suexec -V and ls -la suexec ->
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07:58<alaya>twb: well, if you have for example the linux-image-2.6-686 meta package installed then when the kernel version upgrade so will the headers automatically
07:58<twb>user2008: iirc you need to symlink apache modules into /etc/apache/modules.enabled or thereabouts. Did you do that?
07:59<zepard>gsimmons, it is taking a long time
07:59<twb>alaya: but I don't want to keep it (and more to the point, GCC) installed.
07:59<zepard>gsimmons, it compiles,
07:59<zepard>i removed the ieee modules
08:00<alaya>twb: oops i meant linux-headers-2.6-686
08:00<zepard>but didn't succed to load all modules
08:00<zepard>i did in the right order
08:00<zepard>the last module refuses to load
08:01<alaya>twb: well that's the "price" you have to "pay" with free software. i wouldn't consider that a price though
08:01<alaya>i mean, its a privilige to have a compiler
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08:01<twb>It's *non-free* software, that's why it's a problem.
08:01<twb>If it was Free, I'd have the modules without having to compile them myself with m-a
08:01<alaya>its what makes free software so great in the first place
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08:01<twb>They'd be part of the linux-image-blah package
08:02<alaya>twb: debian is not responsible for your choice to use closed hardware
08:02<twb>alaya: there's a big difference between "I can compile from source" and "I need to compile from source"
08:02<twb>alaya: yeah, I know. But what wifi *isn't* closed-source?
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08:02<kurumin>alguém fala português ai?
08:03<twb>AIUI the FCC *requires* wifi chipsets to be closed-source, because otherwise it'd be "insufficiently difficult" for end users to suborn non-civilian frequencies.
08:03<twb>!tell kurumin about pt
08:03<alaya>twb: i use iwl3945 happily on unstable and rarely have to rebuild it. i don't know what you're complaining about really. if anyone, you should complain to your wireless vendor or laptop manufacturer
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08:03<user2008>twb, i make symlink for suexec in mod-enable, restarted apache - no effect
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08:04<kurumin>olá !tell
08:04<azeem>twb: usually those FCC-sensitive parts are in the firmware
08:04<azeem>not the driver
08:04<twb>Well, it's still a pain.
08:04<alaya>right, and firmware does not need to be rebuilt
08:05<user2008>here is an error: Restarting web server: Apache2Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper.
08:05<kurumin>pt BR
08:05<twb>Most obviously when there's a power failure and six months ago you dist-upgraded but didn't m-a a-i all the modules again.
08:06<user2008>"m-a" and "a-i" - what is it?
08:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
08:07<user2008>so, what should i do now to make this work?
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08:07<alaya>module-assistant is another amazing tool that sets debian apart from other distros, IMHO
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08:08<azeem>user2008: fix your config to not use SuexecUserGroup or get whatever suexec wrapper that needs
08:08<RParade>My fonts look horrible under Etch. I believe it's a display issue with my widescreen 19'' Dell LCD, any ideas guys?
08:08<RParade>I've tried reconfiguring fontconfig to no avail..
08:08<alaya>RParade: only fonts?
08:09<RParade>Only fonts, yes.. And certain fonts don't look so bad, but fonts in XTerm are unreadable for example..
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08:09<RParade>Fonts when using TK apps are horrible, and certain perl/GTK1-2 apps
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08:09<user2008>how can i get suexec wrapper for my current config (apache 2.2.3). a've tried apt-cache search suexec - nothing
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08:10<RParade>It's so bad that I cannot use a terminal at all in my X session, not if I need to read what I'm doing, anyway
08:10<alaya>RParade: you can install gtk-theme-switch and run switch and switch2 to change default fonts
08:10<RParade>Thank you Alaya, I'll try that
08:11<alaya>RParade: but you have all the xfonts installed like xfonts-scalable, xfonts-100dpi, etc?
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08:11<alaya>RParade: also maybe try to reconfigure defoma? not sure...
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08:15<RParade>I installed some fonts, like the M$ and various TTF sets..
08:16<user2008>twb, still here?/
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08:19<RParade>Hrm. GTK-Theme-Switch just isn't working for many apps (XMMS as an example)
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08:20<the-dude>Hi I am running a machine with 4GB memory but kernel 2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 only see's 2.8GB how can it that it sees all of my memory
08:22<dupont>anyone willing to help me out on a update/upgrade problem? I can't seem to get rid of some dependencies of libc that are blocking my keeping my installation up to date...
08:22<twb>user2008: no.
08:23<the-dude>dupont: what's the problem?
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08:27<bougi>hello, I have a debian & mysql problem, the description is here mysql,199535,199535#msg-199535 . What do you think? any ideas?
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08:27<bougi>sorry, here,199535,199535#msg-199535
08:27<dupont>the-dude: i get the following message...
08:27<dupont>The following packages have unmet dependencies: libglib2.0-dev: Depends: pkg-config (>= 0.14.0) but it is not installable
08:27<dupont> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-6) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed and it is kept back.
08:27<dupont> binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed and it is kept back.
08:28<dupont>i use aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
08:32<gsimmons>!tell dupont -about kept back
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08:44<m4steR>someone to help me to mount an usb drive?
08:45<m4steR>i don't know what is the /dev/...
08:45<petemc>check dmesg
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08:47<m4steR>usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 16
08:47<m4steR>usb 5-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
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08:48<petemc>that doesnt tell you much, try /var/log/messages
08:48<petemc>and dont paste it here, read it yourself
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08:49<m4steR>Mar 9 13:48:50 debian kernel: usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 17
08:49<m4steR>Mar 9 13:48:50 debian kernel: usb 5-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
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08:50<m4steR>petemc, does not tell much :(
08:51<m4steR>petemc, how may i do
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08:53<Tree>I need help with removing my Debian partition. I tried using a swap file earlier and it messed it up completely. I now have no desktop and am unable to remove the partition in gparted.
08:53<Tree>How could i wipe my harddrive and then install another OS?
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08:54<abrotman>Tree: just install the other OS
08:55<abrotman>Tree: every OS installer i've seen has the ability to parittion a drive and install its own bootloader
08:55<Gekz>rootkit you say
08:55<Tree>I also tried using my ubuntu live cd
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08:55<Tree>it came up with a few errors
08:55<Tree>and was unable to boot
08:56<abrotman>Tree: you sohuld ask the support channel for whatever OS you're trying to install
08:56<Tree>Say i just wish to wipe my harddrive and then install another distro
08:56<Tree>how would i do that?
08:56<abrotman>what is the other distro ?
08:57<abrotman>Tree: then you'd go to #ubuntu on and ask them
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09:01<bAndie91>hi all
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09:05<kurumin_>hi everiboduy
09:05<bAndie91>can anybody help me
09:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:06<bAndie91>ive just installed debian 4.0
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09:06<bAndie91>and i have not modprobe
09:06<abrotman>bAndie91: are you root ?
09:06<abrotman>!find bin/modprobe etch
09:06<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/modprobe' (3): (/sbin/modprobe) in admin/module-init-tools,admin/modutils ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/sbin/modprobe) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/sbin/modprobe) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard.
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09:07<bAndie91>1 moment
09:08<kurumin>why kurumin dont installed messenger??
09:08<abrotman>kurumin: you'd have to ask their support .. this is #debian
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09:12<bAndie91>why did not think i there
09:12<bAndie91>its works again
09:12<bAndie91>then, how can i install my sb compatible snd card?
09:13<gsimmons>!tell bAndie91 -about alsa install
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09:15<bAndie91>alsactl installed
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09:21<bAndie91>what should i do to use soundcard???
09:23<abrotman>!alsa one-liner
09:23<dpkg>from memory, alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications.
09:23<abrotman>bAndie91: when you install .. it should run alsaconf
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09:24<bAndie91>alsaconf says: no supported sndcards
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09:24<bAndie91>hi gloupy
09:24<gloupy>how can i detect that a process is consuming a lot of cpu for a few minutes ? i would like to restart it automatically
09:24<gloupy>(messy application that i cannot not modify)
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09:28<abrotman>gloupy: you can run top in a batch mode .. and grep the first few lines .. see if it's there?
09:28<gsimmons>bAndie91: What sound hardware do you have? You can use the lspci command (provided by the 'pciutils' package) to list the PCI devices within your system.
09:28<gloupy>yes but how to do it automatically
09:28<abrotman>if it's there .. just restart the application like you do normally
09:30<bAndie91>i think, its an isa pnp card , integrated and under dos i can handle as SB16
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09:44<immsc>hello all
09:44<immsc>i was wondering if anyone here has tried running bind9 in a vserver. i got it to run, but for some reason it does not respond to requests. if i run netstat it shows a huge recv-q for udp on port 53.
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09:46<bAndie91>own can i install an on-board sb16-compatible card?
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09:53<Woet`>My host provided me with 2 IP's for my dedicated server, but only 1 pings
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09:53<Woet`>How to configure my server so it takes the other IP as well?
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09:53<Stephan>maybe edit /etc/netword/interfaces
09:53<the-dude>immsc: what does nc $ip 53 -u do ?
09:54<Woet`>what should i put there Stephan ?
09:55<immsc>the-dude: when i run nc vserverip 53 -u I get nothing
09:56<Stephan>i don't know what you need to put there, but i've heard somewhere that you can configure multiple ip's at 1 NIC in that file
09:56<immsc>the-dude: meaning, it connects, i can type stuff, but i get no response. probably normal behavior
09:56<the-dude>immsc: can you see that traffic arrive's at your server?
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09:59<immsc>the-dude: there is no indication via log files that queries are being submitted. netstat has shown in the past an increasing recv-q when i do query it though
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10:01<the-dude>immsc: does bind listen on all interfaces? netstat -tan|grep 53
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10:02<immsc>the-dude: no, it only listens on the particular IP of the vserver, not on or on\
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10:07<the-dude>immsc: are you able to test connections? can traffic travel from your pc to the bind-server, can traffic travel from bind to your pc ?
10:08<immsc>the-dude: i installed/configured SSHd on it and it works
10:09<the-dude>immsc: both ways ?
10:09<immsc>i can connect to it from outside the vserver
10:09<immsc>and from a completely different machine
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10:10<immsc>i had set RNDCOPTS in /etc/default/bind9 to limit rndc to run only on the particular IP, but i commented it out now that i see that it might be causing trouble. still isn't helping after a vserver reboot
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10:11<hypnotic>hi there, i am looking for a bookmark editor/manager for my konqueror bookmarks which has some tools to sort all the bookmarks and remove duplicates, anybody now such an app?
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10:12<twb>hypnotic: we still don't know.
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10:15<McGrue>Hello. I frantically need to install Mysql 4.1, but apt-get only lets me get 5, and on top of that my kernel (2.4.27) doesn't support mysql 5. So I'm sorta... driving myself crazy in circles here.
10:16<hypnotic>twb: ok thanx
10:16<ardoRic>McGrue, with aptitude (dunno if it works with apt-get) you can specify the exact version you want to download. If you have it available, you should be able to get it
10:17<McGrue>How can I specify the exact version?
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10:17<twb>McGrue: apt-get install foo=1.0
10:17<ardoRic>aptitude install package=version
10:17<McGrue>aptitude says 5 is installed (the little 'i')
10:17<twb>McGrue: however, I can tell you in advance that trying to install MySQL 4.1 on a modern system is Wrong and Stupid and Doesn't Work.
10:18<twb>You are better off spending your time cutting flesh from the web devs.
10:18<McGrue>yes, well, I have 700mb of binary table data that I'd like to recover.
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10:18<twb>If you enjoy pain, you could try doing it on top of Etch using
10:19<twb>I didn't get around to trying to install sarge and run that, because by then the gaping security holes had begun to really add up.
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10:21<qq>Woet`, have you got your answer ?
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10:22<McGrue>The main problem here is apt-get won't let me install anything < 5, and my kernel is incompatible with 5.
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10:27<the-dude>try downloaden a old debian, or download mysql at recover your data and migrate to mysql 5
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10:30<McGrue>That's looking to be my only course of action, yeah.
10:30<McGrue>It's light out, how depressing.
10:30<amphi>McGrue: heh, I file asleep after dawn last 'night' also
10:32<twb>McGrue: so downgrade your kernel.
10:32<twb>Why does MySQL require a particular kernel anyway?
10:33<McGrue>I think it's not a matter of downgrading.
10:33<McGrue>but a matter of the kernel being too old for mysql 5.x. As for why in particular: no idea.
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10:34<twb>Why do you say that the kernel is "too old"?
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10:35<fxiny>why can't you use qemu instead od downgrading ?
10:35<twb>I assumed he was already doin that :-)
10:35<McGrue>I don't even know what qemu is.
10:35<twb>Or do you mean using qemu at the ABI layer rather than to emulate a full PC?
10:36<McGrue>administration is not my day job. It's something I'm a rank amatuer at, sadly.
10:36<twb>McGrue: qemu emulates a PC in the same way that zsnes emulates a super nintendo
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10:37<fxiny>a full qemu emulation
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10:37<fxiny>or a vmware pre-cooked appliance
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10:38<fred__>so carefuly
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10:38<McGrue>qemu is beta, eh?
10:38<amizya>Hello Guys !
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10:39<fred__>the cd one of the book debian 4.0r1 as been rob
10:39<fred__>somone publish a litlle version for control network in french
10:40<fxiny>McGrue: is it a desktop ?
10:41<fred__>yes i see it
10:41<fred__>but no activity
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10:48<McGrue>No, it's a server.
10:48<McGrue>And a server that currently has no working db.
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10:50<fred__>hmmm i don't know where i can find people for discuss
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10:50<fred__>do you know people named tork
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10:52<fred__>what's this command on topic
10:52<amizya>fred , are you looking for a rm -rf /
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11:00<tomasz>helllo i need your help
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11:01<tomasz>i must have a new netscape browser but i have never use linux so i don't know what to do after downloading of webbrowser on my desktop
11:01<tomasz>help me
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11:01<paul0>oh, no more gqview in apt :(
11:03<the-dude>oh I just installed it
11:03<fxiny>the best answer of the year :)
11:03<rudenstam>I have the "looking for root filesystem problem" after upgrading to newer kernel etc... I read a bit about it and apparently I need to upgrade udev.. is that correct ?
11:03<paul0>no in the testing
11:04<suiside>tomasz: you can install a browser of your choice which has a deb-package available in the debian repositories with apt, read the apt-howto on and 'man aptitude', to search the repos you can use apt-cache or visit
11:04<tomasz>by i use ubuntu:/
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11:04<suiside>tomasz: then go to #ubuntu
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11:06<gsimmons>!tell rudenstam -about wftrf
11:06<gsimmons>!tell paul0 -about why isn't gqview in testing
11:07<paul0>gsimmons, thanks :)
11:07<rudenstam>gsimmons: ide disks also changed name ? not only sata ?
11:07<paul0>gsimmons, i've found the mirage image viewer, seem very good too
11:08<suiside>tomasz: ubuntu is based on debian so for the most part that information should hold true, but it's considered rude on irc to ask support for another distribution on the official support channels so you should join #ubuntu either here on OFTC or on FreeNode
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11:09<suiside>tomasz: and if you're going to ask why your irc-client took you here instead of #ubuntu in the first place ask the ubuntu package maintaners, they've been asked to fix it a long time ago
11:10<Hikaru>gsimmons: mind doing the same for me with gqview?
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11:12<suiside>!tell Hikaru -about why isn't gqview in testing
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11:13<Hikaru>suiside: thanks
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11:15<suiside>Hikaru: np, as a sidenote, you can also query dpkg to ask it about stuff
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11:15<Hikaru>suiside: thanks.
11:17<sasha>hi can someone help please , i have no rules in iptables , i can ping any site on the net and ever my home router but i canot ping my local interfaces
11:17<sasha>either from the machine or from an external computer , ping simply gives no output
11:17<Hikaru>sasha: odd.
11:18<Hikaru>as root, does ifconfig lo give you any output?
11:18<sasha>yes but i cannot ping eth0 vbox0 neither
11:18<Hikaru>can you ping localhost?
11:19<sasha>no , i have no output
11:19<Hikaru>I'm out of ideas. Someone more familiar with debian want to chime in?
11:19<sasha>PING localhost ( 56(84) bytes of data. and thats all
11:20<qq>i<sasha> do a ifup eth0
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11:22<sasha>qq : ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" but it exists , maybe cause i put bad self config in it ?
11:24<qq>have 'iface eth0 inet dhcp ', or so ?
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11:25<sasha>inet static
11:25<qq>iface eth0 inet static ?
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11:26<qq>ok, address
11:27<sasha>i had an error in interfaces , i changed it now (two times eth0 defined) now ifup eth0 works , but i think i have to reload everything
11:27<sasha>how can i do that ?
11:27<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
11:28<qq>/etc/init.d/networking restart
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11:29<sasha>it does not work here is my interfaces file
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11:34<sasha>will try to restart the computer
11:34<qq>'ifdown eth0 ' , and than 'ifconfig eth0 netmask up'
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11:40<Woet`>qq: n
11:40<Woet`>no *
11:40<Woet`>at [15:21:55] <qq> Woet`, have you got your answer ?
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11:43<Woet`>qq: once done that, anything else to do?
11:43<OdyX>Hi, what is the actual issue with dpkg (misteriously pointed on planet.d.o) ? broken ?
11:43<Woet`>or will it work instantly?
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11:45<sasha>qq : thqnks for your help , it was simply my firewall script that was playing with some values in /proc/net
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11:46<Woet>will it work instantly?
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11:48<qq>sure have to change 'static' in 'dhcp' and comment out some lines
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11:49<Woet>are you talking to me?
11:49<qq><Woet> yes
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11:49<sasha>IS there a GUI for sudo , cause configuring it by hand takes too much time
11:50<Woet>qq: my current interfaces file is
11:50<Woet>could you edit it, so it accepts as a IP as well?
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11:52<_shai_>Woet: Try adding a block for iface eth0:1 and the extra IP/netmask/..
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11:52<Woet>like that?
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11:53<Woet>that one
11:54<Woet>thanks :)
11:54<noflash>sasha, you edit /etc/sudoers with visudo...not too tough
11:54<Woet>and what to do now?
11:54<_shai_>Though I think you should only add the gateway once.
11:54<Woet>deleted the gateway line
11:54<Woet>(the last one)
11:55<Woet>it does work instantly, or what?
11:55<Woet>how to rehash it?
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11:55<_shai_>Do you have direct access to that machine or just network access?
11:55<Woet>direct access
11:55<Woet>root :)
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11:55<_shai_>/etc/init.d/networking restart should do it.
11:56<Woet>does it kill all network processes?
11:56<Woet>there is quite a lot running atm
11:56<_shai_>I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure, that's why I asked if you had direct acccess.
11:56<Woet>I will warn people then
11:57<sasha>hi , what is the command line to see my samba shares on my Debian server ?
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11:57<sasha>whatever i do i have that message NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
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11:58<engywuck>habe you added the -U?
11:58<sasha>engywuk : with smbclient , yes
11:59<engywuck>hmmm, then it works for me
11:59<qq><Woet> line 18 auto eth0:0
11:59<Woet>it worked like a dream
11:59<engywuck>have you access allowed for internal network?
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12:00<_shai_>No problem.
12:00<sasha>yes , now it says , NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME , so i would like to know how to check my samba shares by command line
12:01<engywuck>bad network name=the samba name you provided doesn't exist (IIRC)
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12:20<zepard>gsimmons, I finally installed the driver after rebooting it was easier no insmod problems!
12:20<zepard>gsimmons, thx for help
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12:25<gotbb>after upgrading Sarge to Etch I cant use Ctrl-Alt-F(x) to switch from X Window System to text console. This is the case in any window manager. My xorg.conf settings are as follows:
12:25<gotbb>Driver "keyboard"
12:26<gotbb>I have tried "kbd" too
12:26<gotbb>Option "CoreKeyboard"
12:26<amphi>gotbb: you don't perchance have DontVTSwitch enabled?
12:26<gotbb>Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
12:26<gotbb>Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
12:26<gotbb>Option "XkbLayout" "uk"
12:26<amphi>gotbb: don't paste all that junk in here
12:26<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:27<gotbb>its 4 lines :\/
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12:27<qq><gotbb> please do or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:28<gotbb>there is no "DontVTSwitch" in my xorg.conf
12:28<qq> <gotbb> please stop paste !
12:28<gotbb>that was not paste! that was a comment!
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12:39<zepa>can anybody give me a link to how to set up a standard FTP server using GBIN Admin?
12:40<abrotman>using what?
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12:41<zepa>it's the FTP package I downloaded
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12:42<zepa>that shows how to find the different pages, but I'm wondering if it's possible to just find one I could copy paste and just modify to my own use :\
12:42<zepa>different tabs*
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12:48<affening>bonjour !!
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12:50<qq><zepa> google search
12:51<fxiny>zepa: have you checked /usr/share/doc/*your_installed_ftp* for rc examples fad and readme ?
12:51<zepa>will do
12:51<fxiny>i use vsftpd btw
12:51<zepa>but Ill figure out how to have remote desktop first, so I don't have to use 2 keyboards
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12:52<fxiny>zepa: ssh to your remote
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12:55<p_lip>join #xfce
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13:03<witte>gotbb: your keyboard config looks fine to me
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13:07<gotbb>thats what i thought
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13:15<bcochofel>Hi, I have a partition mount on / with several GB available. Can I take some and create another partition and mount it elsewhere?
13:16<_shai_>bcochofel: Maybe.
13:16<_shai_>bcochofel: It's certainly possible to reduce the size of ext3 file systems.
13:17<bcochofel>_shai_: how can I resize it and create a new partition ?
13:17<_shai_>You'll also need to reduce the partition size and create a new one to use the free space.
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13:17<_shai_>That's assuming you don't already have 4 (primary) partitions.
13:17<_shai_>resize2fs can resize file systems.
13:17<_shai_>(ext3 file systems).
13:18<_shai_>It's all a lot easier if you're on LVM of course, but I guess you're not.
13:18<bcochofel>_shai_: Nop.
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13:19<_shai_>You'll need a live-cd or something too as you can't shrink a mounted file system as far as I know.
13:19<bcochofel>_shai_: maybe knoppix?
13:20<_shai_>That should work, if it has resize2fs.
13:20<bcochofel>_shai_: I was reading
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13:21<_shai_>That seems like a good guide.
13:22<_shai_>It misses the first step though: Back up your data.
13:22<_shai_>I've followed a similar procedure a few times and never had problems, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
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14:08<krs>hi everybody. i mounted a fat-32 partition under debian. as user i can only read this partition. as superuser i can also write on it. now i want to change the rights, such as i can write as a normal user on this partition. i do not found any hints yet. please help.
14:08<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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14:09<krs>nice. thanks a lot!
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14:15<sortadi>I have this strange problem with a LCD monitor on Debian Testing using xorg. From time to time a rectangle area comes up with distorted colors and lines on the inferior-left corner of the monitor
14:15<sortadi>when I kill X then the thing is gone
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14:17<krs>i do not know what happen to my usb. but since i installed a pmount feature no usb-connection work.
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14:18<krs>i usb disk is found automatically, but i can not open the disk. i got a error message.
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14:19<krs>libhal-storage.c 1401: info: called libhal_free_dbus_error ... can someone help me out?
14:19<tumik>Hi! When I adjust the volume of my speakers with hotkey, it changes wong volume (headphones, even if they aren't connected). I'm using acer Aspire 7003WSMi Laptop, how can I change the default volume channel?
14:21<krs>i tried to get access to the disk on a camcorder and to a normal sd-cardreader. normally it work properly.
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14:25<bcochofel>_shai_: ok, I've done it. And I've also create a new partition. How can I format it and mount it on, for example, /net?
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14:28<themill>tumik: keytouch can be configured to change a different channel rather than the one that the mixer thinks is the master channel. /msg dpkg keytouch
14:28<qq><bcochofel> yes ,and but put the change in fstab
14:30<qq>if you wont it'l be mounted automatic
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14:31<_shai_>bcochofel: mke2fs should help you create the new filesystem.
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14:31<_shai_>Then you'll need to edit /etc/fstab to automatically mount it.
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14:32<bcochofel>_shai_: I've formatted the partition. /dev/hda6 /net ext3 defaults 0 2 ?
14:32<bcochofel>What are those two last numbers?
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14:32<azeem>bcochofel: man fstab probably
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14:34<_shai_>They're related to the relative priority and order of disk checks I think.
14:34<_shai_>But azeems answer was good too :)
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14:37<bcochofel>_shai_: done
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14:51<buffoon>is there a problem with ndiswrapper in lenny? I installed the module, loaded the driver where i didn't get any errors but ifconfig -a and iwconfig don't show any wlan device
14:53<hathe>buffoon: what is the output of ndiswrapper -l ?
14:53<buffoon>bcmwl6 : driver installed
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14:55<hathe>buffoon: hardware present?
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14:55<hathe>buffoon: ist "hardware present" as well in the output?
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14:57<buffoon>hathe: no, that line is missing
14:58<hathe>buffoon: then its the wrong driver
14:58<hathe>*windows driver
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14:58<buffoon>ok, I'll try another one then
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14:59<buffoon>thx anyway
14:59<buffoon>well, too late..
15:00<hypnotic>compiz-fusion has no icons in the settings manager, is this a known bug and is there a workaround?
15:00<hypnotic>(in amd64 lenny)
15:01<cahoot>known bugs tend to be listed on
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15:01<cahoot>often with hints on work-arounds
15:01<hypnotic>i did a google and could find anything but its possible the bug is described in other terms and words
15:01<hypnotic>could not
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15:02<hypnotic>in 32bit it works properly
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15:04<krs>cu and thanks. nice help.
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15:14<gotbb>What does OFTC stand for?
15:15<odine>!tell odine about x11
15:16<buffoon>odine: you can open a query with dpkg and ask things directly there
15:16<gotbb>odine, ok thanks
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15:58<ghallo>someone can help me about how I get Debian with Kernel 2.6.24?
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15:59<sepski>ghallo, if you use etch you can check if there is a kernel on
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16:02<ghallo>There ins't any way to download direct the debian etch with kernel 2.6.24?
16:02<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
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16:09<tzafrir_laptop>hi, apt-listchanges reports of a fatal error in a db file and that I should run database recovery
16:09<ghallo>someone has a link to download Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.24?
16:10<tzafrir_laptop>This seems to be the error message that comes from bdb
16:10<tzafrir_laptop>ghallo, can you try installing standard Etch and upgrading kernel later?
16:11<chealer>ghallo: there are unofficial installer images only...
16:11<chealer>!tell ghallo about kmuto
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16:12<tzafrir_laptop>I tried using db4.2_recover, but I have no idea how to use that to "recover" a bdb
16:12<tzafrir_laptop>(whatever it means)
16:12<ghallo>[tzafrir_laptop]: I tried it but i have any problems, anyway, thks. I'll try to get some tutorials
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16:13<tzafrir_laptop>Any idea if I can safely remove /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db and hope for the best?
16:14<tzafrir_laptop>(that is: if my hope would be well-founded)
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16:34<ATF>Hi. I've corrupted my /etc/fstab, now / is mounted RO and I can't remount it RW, because mount complains about an unrecognized mount option (mount -s -o remount,rw /). How do I tell it to really ignore fstab?
16:35<petemc>lose the -s
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16:36<ATF>petemc: Why? Same error...
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16:39<petemc>i would have thought that would have worked
16:39<petemc>you could use the install cd in rescue mode to fix it
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17:04<Hate29>Hi, Im trying to install drivers to my wlan card but when I use command makedrv it tries to search files from /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build and there are no files in it. Should there be? Older kernel (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build) has files..
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17:06<zarchne>Hate29: remind us what wlan card you have.
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17:08<qq><Hate29> apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 _or so
17:09<Hate29>zarchne: oh, yes. Forgot.. it is a-link wl54h and it comes with rtl-8185 chip
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17:17<afekt>i need some help installing flash.
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17:18<zarchne>Hate29: it's been a while since I've compiled a driver... Google brings me numbers 8 and 9 on this page, right?,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_a/
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17:19<zarchne>afekt: like flash version 9 on etch, or what?
17:19<chealer>Hate29: no, unless you have the linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 installed
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17:21<Hate29>chealer: I installed those linux-headers but still nothing. Or do I need reboot?
17:22<chealer>Hate29: is linux-headers-686 installed?
17:22<Hate29>chealer: Just installed
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17:23<afekt>i jsut solved my problem
17:24<chealer>Hate29: and /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build is still empty?
17:24<quitte>hi. on a pretty small lenny i just apt-get installed rhythmbox. as a result it installed basically a complete gnome desktop system. did I miss some changes in apt-get usage or something
17:25<quitte>it even pulled such gems as metacity wodim samba dvdrwtools....
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17:25<Hate29>chealer: Correct
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17:25<Hate29>zarchne: right, but do I have to use ndiswrapper since I got linuxdrivers? I just cant install them..
17:26<afekt>zarchne: im having an issue with my video card, its not allowing me to have any special effects on ubuntu, it tells me to enable it, so i did, and i restarted and my graphix looked like crap, so if anyone has any idea what i should do that would help.
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17:27<sepski>afekt, you can start by asking in the fight forums try the irc channel #ubuntu
17:27<zarchne>Hate29: I don't know. What is "linuxdrivers"?
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17:28<chealer>quitte: where does /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build point to?
17:28<chealer>quitte: sorry
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17:29<chealer>Hate29: where does /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build point to?
17:30<zarchne>afekt: sepski means "please ask in the right forum" as the /topic implies.
17:30<afekt>yea i just did, but no one is on there
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17:30<quitte>ok. so calling a channel room forum or any other random name is now ok. \o/
17:31<sepski>quitte, no.
17:31<sepski>quitte, but since he failed to see that he was in the wrong channel. i was afraid i'd confuse him by using that term
17:31<Hate29>chealer: I got a tarball with my wlan card but can't install it. What do you mean by where /lib/modules../ point to?
17:31<zarchne>"forum" is a more general term, I would say.
17:32<zarchne>Mailing list is also a forum.
17:33<chealer>Hate29: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build should be a symlink. where does it link to?
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17:34<chealer>quitte: please paste apt-get's invocation and output
17:34<quitte>chealer: any idea how i can get it out of kvm?
17:35<chealer>quitte: no, I don't know kvm.
17:35<quitte>same as qemu
17:36<bruce_>does MP3 work out of the box on 4.0r3?
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17:36<Hate29>chealer: So, how to find out? sry, I'm a n00b..
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17:37<quitte>chealer: thecommand was apt-get install rhythmbox. and it installed a truckload of unnecessary stuff. even gnome-user-guide
17:38<quitte>172Mb of the archives. after installing 392M will be used
17:38<quitte>apt-get install metacity -> 339Mb will be used. and I already have X installed
17:38<chealer>Hate29: do you have a file manager like konqueror?
17:39<quitte>gstreamer-plugins for a windowmanager? wtf.
17:39<chealer>quitte: does it have access to internet?
17:39<quitte>chealer: yes
17:40<chealer>quitte: then can't you put it on a pastebin directly?
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17:40<Hate29>chealer: Yes, I'm using gnome
17:40<quitte>can I put screenshots in a pastebin?
17:41<chealer>Hate29: I don't know gnome but it should be obvious what the link points. otherwise you can uses ls -l
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17:42<chealer>!tell quitte about paste
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17:48<quitte>chealer: still uploading. should end at ...5.png
17:48<Hate29>chealer: ls -l: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 2008-03-09 21:08 build I can't see what tells me that it is a link?
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17:51<quitte>Hate29: it's not a link
17:51<chealer>quitte: well, simpler question, is gnome-desktop-environment installed? if not, it didn't install gnome.
17:52<quitte>chealer: it'S not - but look at the last 2 screenshots. this is just insane
17:52<quitte>this is metacity i tried to install
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17:54<themill>quitte: you could install without "recommended" packages.
17:55<quitte>it does that by default now?
17:55<chealer>Hate29: yeah, it's not a symlink. what does dpkg -l linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686|grep linux; output?
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17:55<themill>quitte: yes, has done for some months
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17:56<quitte>i knew that aptitude did. how do i stop apt from that crazyness?
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17:57<themill>quitte: it's not craziness, it's what you want 99% of the time. man apt-get
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17:57<quitte>man apt-get contains no option for that
17:58<Hate29>chealer: ii linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
17:58<quitte>themill: did you look at my screenshots. if i ask for metacity i sre as hell did not ask for 99% of what i get
17:59<quitte>man apot-conf doesn't help me either
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18:00<themill>quitte: please try to understand why apt-get installs recommended packages and don't bother arguing with me about it. a) the decision has been made by people who know far more about the debian package management system than you (b) I'm not in a position to change the decision anyway and (c) the decision will not be changed anyway.
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18:00<themill>quitte: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; <== in apt.conf
18:00<quitte>themill: ok. could you please show me where I can change that default then?
18:00<quitte>ah thanks
18:01<Aleric>What is a simple but good program to draw rectangles and arrows?
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18:02<themill>Aleric: openoffice draw, inkscape, xfig, tikz, pstricks, latexdraw, karbon ...
18:02<chealer>Hate29: that file is strange. maybe reinstalling the linux-image would change it
18:02<quitte>ah sweet. now it finally does what i tell i to do again
18:02<Aleric>I know inkscape.. is not simple :/
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18:03<Hate29>chealer: Well, I guess I try that. I installed linux-image through and update so I think it works already
18:04<themill>quitte: "recommends" is supposed to be a soft-dependency; i.e. you really really *should* have it for things to work properly but it is possible in some circumstances to do without it. This contrasts to suggests which is "this package can benefit from, or perhaps you'd like to look at" and depends which is "this package will crash spectacularly, eat your firstborn and generally not work". Not installing recommends by default has long been seen as a bug. It's
18:04<themill>just new and different, not wrong.
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18:05<chealer>themill: no, recommends really just means that it's recommended
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18:06<themill>chealer: no, it means much more than that. Hence the difference between recommended and suggests and why recommended packages are now installed by default
18:06<quitte>ok. but then it seems recommends is used too often
18:06<chealer>themill: no. suggested packages aren't recommended.
18:07<themill>quitte: there are a few places where there are stray recommends from DDs who haven't tuned their deps right yet. Please identify them and file wishlist bugs stating your case.
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18:08<quitte>ok. I guess I'll have to use a whole weekend for that
18:08<themill>chealer: recommends is "a strong, but not absolute, dependency."
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18:09<themill>chealer: "The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations."
18:09<themill>chealer: (that's from the Debian Policy Manual, btw)
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18:14<chealer>themill: I agree that " This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency." is more than a recommendation, but at least in practice it's not something you "really really *should* have it for things to work properly".
18:15<themill>chealer: it should be. As I said, any package that has overblown "recommends" is asking for wishlist bugs to downgrade them to "suggests".
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18:16<RParade>I have a 20X DVD buner but in Etch it will only do 2X.. I tell it to do faster but it doesn't
18:16<chealer>themill: no. if it doesn't work properly without recommends, it's buggy. of course, there shouldn't be abusive recommandations.
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18:17<themill>chealer: that's exactly what I just said
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18:23<chealer>themill: for the last part, yes. but not for "you really really *should* have it for things to work properly". a package's dependencies should be enough for it to work "properly" (without bugs)<.
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18:24<VBasic>hi all
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18:25<VBasic>how can I run executable file, compiled with gcc ?
18:25<themill>chealer: it can work without recommended packages in "unusual situations" but most sane people would want/need the recommended packages so that it works properly.
18:26<quitte>VBasic: just run it
18:26<qq> <VBasic> ./name
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18:27<VBasic>qq, thanks!
18:27<vjoe>im trying to extract a rar with unrar-free but it says failed
18:27<vjoe>whats wrong??
18:28<qq><VBasic> np
18:28<chealer>themill: it has nothing to do with the admin being sane or not. it's each "situation" that determines whether a recommend should be installed or not. each admin will want some recommendations and not want others on some machine, at some moment.
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18:28<quitte>vjoe have you tried non-free unrar? from the package description:Can't handle some archives in the RAR 3.0 format
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18:29<vjoe>thanks a lot
18:29<vjoe>really :)
18:29<vjoe>i always used the free version
18:30<vjoe>didn't know there was a non free
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18:33<p_lip>hi there ... I'm using debian etch and everything is fine except that the font Helvetica and some other fonts are not displayed correctly
18:34<p_lip>while I've enabled antialiasing and subpixelhinting, Helvetica is displayed non-antialiased and looks very ugly at certain fontsizes
18:35<|>The trick is finding a font that looks good anti-aliased. :p
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18:36<p_lip>well I found Sans looks quite good antialiased ^^
18:36<p_lip>but the problem is that some websites use Helvetica and look so damn ugly at my computer
18:37<p_lip>I didn't have that problem with Suse, Ubuntu and Xubuntu
18:39<p_lip>plus, the problem is not that it isn't antialiased, but it seems to be rendered incorrectly at certain font-sizes
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18:42<fenix>are you from?
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18:48<fenix_>are you from?
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18:51<qq><p_lip> the web site you mention look like here : ?
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18:52<buffoon> <-- isn't there a netinst for lenny?
18:52<themill>!install lenny
18:52<dpkg>To install testing, see
18:52<themill>hmmm... there is....
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18:54<Chrono>hi out there! I need your help. I've made a whole copy of /dev/hda with dd to a single file on another harddisk... now I need some data from it, but I can't mount i because it's the whole disk instead of a partition :S
18:55<zarchne>Chrono: you need an offset to the filesystem, I'm thinking
18:56<buffoon>omg, my failure
18:56<Chrono>I think that was the first partition directly after the boot sector...
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18:57<Chrono>do you know any way how to handle the offsett with the mount command?
18:57<zarchne>Chrono: disk sectors are 512 bytes each.
18:58<zarchne>Chrono: it's in the man page for mount, but not very loudly.
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18:58<Chrono>okay thank you :) I'll have a look for it.
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18:59<zarchne>Chrono: would looke like "-o offset=512" I think.
19:00<qq>zarchne: Chrono is a knoppix user :-)
19:00<Chrono>yes :)
19:01<Chrono>but I reale prefer my debian system :)
19:01*zarchne shrugs.
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19:03<Chrono>solution: sfdisk -d /directory/file <--- this shows you the partition inside the file ;-)
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19:33*vjoe -> maior clube do mundo LOOOL
19:34<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:37<vjoe>sorry, x-chat makes /ame for all the networks
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19:38*vjoe owned pela ptnet -.-
19:38<vjoe>err, again..
19:38<vjoe>sorry one more time
19:38<dusty>Hey guys I have an acer ferrari 4000 with ati radeon x700 wheneevr i startx i get black screen no matter how i configure xorg.. i remember there was a bug i cant remember the options to put into xorg.conf to fix it, anyone help?
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20:07<imperia>guys. noexec flag in fstab prevent users from executing programs marked as executable. do somebody know if this counts for NTFS cifs shares too. I mean - Can I still mount my windows shares and run stuff with Wine?
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20:10<bruce_>is MP3 support disabled by default? I can get CDs to play but not MP3...
20:10<imperia>MP3 is commercial product :(
20:11<imperia>you have to add 3rd party plugins for your debian to support it
20:11<engywuck>mp3 has still patent covering
20:11<bruce_>gotcha..thankx will go googling
20:11<gravity>bruce_: No, it's not disabled by default
20:11<gravity>bruce_: How are you trying to play them
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20:11<engywuck>but there are free implementations
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20:12<bruce_>hm...then question is why does rhythmbox & noatun not give me sounds on mp3?
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20:12<gravity>bruce_: Are you a member of the audio group?
20:12<engywuck>according to rhytmbox description it can play mp3
20:12<gravity>bruce_: And can you play any other format of sound?
20:12<bruce_>audio cds play so I guess so?
20:13<gravity>bruce_: No, they're very different
20:13<bruce_>k...then leem check
20:13<gravity>bruce_: Audio cd's play via a direct hardware line. They don't need software.
20:13<engywuck>go to a console window and type in "groups"
20:14<bruce_>audio is listed
20:14*gravity hrms
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20:15<bruce_>before this too crazy, this is an SB X-Fi Platinum card that I have installed the OSS build 1410...system sounds and audio cds play fine...maybe sometihng with the OSS dirver?
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20:15<gravity>You installed a custom OSS build?
20:15<gravity>And why are you using OSS and not ALSA?
20:15<bruce_>x-fi is not supported under alsa
20:16<gravity>This is totally not a Debian problem
20:16<engywuck>just a second
20:16<engywuck>use aumix to test if the audi lines are up
20:16<engywuck>not that they ere muted or whatever
20:16<engywuck>CD is a different channel usually... :)
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20:17<bruce_>engywuck: command not found. guess I'm missing a package somewhere
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20:18<engywuck>then some other mixer
20:18<engywuck>kmix, whatever
20:18<azeem>or installit
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20:18<bruce_>installed the aumix, now returns aumix: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK
20:19<azeem>now returns aumix?
20:20<azeem>bruce_: what does that mean?
20:20<engywuck>that something's completely wrong
20:20<bruce_>when I run aumix from console, that's what it returns "aumix: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK
20:21<azeem>bruce_: and then you get the prompt back?
20:21<engywuck>I suggest mailing the OSS team
20:21<azeem>bruce_: so an issue with your 3rd party OSS drivers
20:21<bruce_>was afraid of that...thanks anyway
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20:23<DeFender1031>hello, how do i limit the download speed of apt? i was doing a dist upgrade, and it was downloading at 449 kB/s, repeatedly killing my connection
20:23*vjoe bye
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20:23<azeem>DeFender1031: (i) select a slower mirror on a different continent (ii) traffic-shape via the kernel
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20:24<DeFender1031>azeem, there's no option to throttle it down?
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20:24<azeem>DeFender1031: I don't think so, why would that be useful?
20:24<petemc>some people have used trickle
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20:26<DeFender1031>azeem, let's think... so that it doesn't eat up my connection
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20:26<azeem>DeFender1031: why should apt have an option especially for you?
20:26<DeFender1031>i'm sure i'm not the first person with this problem
20:27<DeFender1031>most downloading programs have a max speed option
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20:27<azeem>DeFender1031: there are external solutions to slow down networking, I don't see why apt should be encumbered with this
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20:29<bloodskin-server>how do i ask dpkg for one liners?
20:29<petemc> /msg dpkg foo
20:29<DeFender1031>then give me one
20:30<DeFender1031>what should i do to slow it down next time?
20:30<chealer>bloodskin-server: what kind of one liners?
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20:30<bloodskin-server>install one liners for drivers
20:30<bloodskin-server>namely the ati rage 128 pro ultra
20:31<DeFender1031>petemc, what is trickle?
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20:31<petemc>a user space bandwidth limiting app
20:32*DeFender1031 attempts to apt-get install trickle hoping that the obvious catch-22 doesn't take effect
20:32*DeFender1031 waits because currently his hard drive is full
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20:33<DeFender1031>azeem, in response to you, most downloading programs have a setting for max speed, i don't know why *I* should be encumbered with a separate program
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20:39<bloodskin-server>google is hard to find info on installing the rage 128 pro ultra. anyone have any tips or suggestions?
20:40<engywuck>ist texinfo *needed*
20:40<engywuck>I think that's the only reason why i've got a complete tex installation...
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20:43<engywuck>ah, k, kpdf was the culprit
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20:45<rabby>what's the name of the package which includes gcc and some dev/make tools? revdep or like that, i remember...
20:45<rabby>thanks. revdep was from gentoo perhaps...
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20:48<bloodskin-server> is dead
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20:54<gsimmons>bloodskin-server: You'd want to use the "ati" video driver for your X server. I don't believe your 1999-era video chipset is supported by the non-free (fglrx) drivers.
20:55<bloodskin-server>i know i want to use an ati driver. its an ati card.....
20:55<gsimmons>bloodskin-server: Have you installed X?
20:55<qq>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
20:55<bloodskin-server>i do believe so
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20:56<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
20:56<gsimmons>bloodskin-server: Check that your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is referencing this driver. If not, use the above command to reconfigure as appropriate.
20:58<heavyd>anyone here use the konversation irc client?
20:58<jello>heavyd: not in a long time
20:58<jello>despite using KDE, i prefer irssi
20:58<heavyd>can anyone point me in the right direction to use a quakenet server?
20:59<heavyd>I have irc on windows
20:59<heavyd>and am a n00b to linux
21:00<jello>heavyd: just because you're on windows doesn't always mean you have to use inferior tools
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21:00<heavyd>nah I am using ubuntu atm
21:00<heavyd>but need to get to quakenet server and # wonderbread
21:02<bloodskin-server>i hope this works
21:02<chealer>heavyd: hum, I do use konversation, but this is #debian. If you're not using Debian, you're at the wrong place.
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21:12<engywuck>!tell heavyd about ubuntu
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21:24<rabby>what can i do against: fatal error can't create socket for launcher cannot allocate memory
21:24<rabby>df tells me there is enough space left
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21:33<engywuck>when do you get this message?
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21:38<rabby>when opening konqueror using a shell
21:39<chealer>rabby: please paste the output
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21:43<rabby>"fatal error can't create socket for launcher: cannot allocate memory"
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21:47<chealer>rabby: are you sure? Google doesn't have any hit for that.
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21:48<engywuck>have a look at "df -i" and "free"
21:48<engywuck>oh, and look if you can write to /tmp
21:51<rabby>df and df -i tell me there is enough free space/indo no
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21:55<franck_>hye gurus
21:55<franck_>pb with ldap
21:55<franck_>can someone help me
21:56<franck_>pb with rootpw in slapd.conf
21:56<franck_> i use {SSHA}mypasswordencrypt with slappasswd
21:57<franck_>when i restart the daemon... the errors is ...
21:57<franck_>/etc/init.d/slapd start
21:57<franck_>Starting OpenLDAP: slapd - failed.
21:57<franck_>The operation failed but no output was produced. For hints on what went
21:57<franck_>wrong please refer to the system's logfiles (e.g. /var/log/syslog) or
21:57<franck_>try running the daemon in Debug mode like via "slapd -d 16383" (warning:
21:58<franck_>this will create copious output).
21:58<franck_>slapd -p 16383 produce :
21:59<franck_><<< dnPrettyNormal: <dc=home>, <dc=home>
21:59<franck_>line 65 (rootpw ***)
21:59<franck_>/etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 65: <rootpw> can only be set when rootdn is under suffix
21:59<franck_>slapd destroy: freeing system resources.
21:59<franck_>slapd stopped.
21:59<franck_>connections_destroy: nothing to destroy.
21:59<franck_>an idea ! please
21:59<franck_>many information on internet but i can not solve my problem
22:00<jello>!tell franck_ about enter
22:02<franck_>i do something wrong ??
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22:14<engywuck>you wrote around a dozen unnecessary lines
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22:14<engywuck>use some sort of nopaste
22:15<engywuck>!tell franck_ about nopaste
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22:15<franck_>ok i understand nopaste !
22:15<jello>engywuck: thank you for phrasing that better than i was going to :)
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22:16<franck_>jello - engywuck : thanks
22:16<jello>franck_: in any case, if you care to succinctly summarize, we'll be happy to (attempt to) help
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22:18<engywuck>oh, and you posted hints to look for yourself...
22:18<engywuck>"<franck_> wrong please refer to the system's logfiles (e.g. /var/log/syslog) or" etc
22:18<franck_>jello : great
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22:19<franck_>engywuck : i do it
22:19<engywuck>another reason to use some sort of nopaste: it's easier to refer to specific lines that way
22:20<franck_>engywuck : rootpw can only be set when rootdn is under suffix !
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22:21<franck_>engywuck what does it mean !
22:21<engywuck>sorry, i don't do ldap (yet)
22:23<franck_>engywuck : ok thanks ;)
22:23<jello>franck_: you'll need to post your slapd.conf
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22:23<franck_>jello : how post it if i can not poste it ?
22:24<franck_>paste it !
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22:24<engywuck>use nopaste and paste the link :)
22:24<franck_>jello : on forum for exemple
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22:25<franck_>nopaste # This is the main slapd configuration file. See slapd.conf(5) for more
22:25<franck_># info on the configuration options.
22:25<franck_># Global Directives:
22:25<franck_># Features to permit
22:25<franck_>#allow bind_v2
22:25<franck_># Schema and objectClass definitions
22:25<franck_>include /etc/ldap/schema/core.schema
22:25<franck_>include /etc/ldap/schema/cosine.schema
22:25<franck_>include /etc/ldap/schema/nis.schema
22:25<franck_>include /etc/ldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema
22:25<franck_># Where the pid file is put. The init.d script
22:25<jello>franck_: stop!
22:25<franck_># will not stop the server if you change this.
22:25<franck_>pidfile /var/run/slapd/
22:25<franck_># List of arguments that were passed to the server
22:25<jello>franck_: stop!
22:25<jello>franck_: stop!
22:25<franck_>argsfile /var/run/slapd/slapd.args
22:25<jello>franck_: stop!
22:25<franck_># Read slapd.conf(5) for possible values
22:25<jello>franck_: stop!
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22:26<franck_>loglevel 0
22:26<franck_># Where the dynamically loaded modules are stored
22:26<franck_>modulepath /usr/lib/ldap
22:26<franck_>moduleload back_bdb
22:26<franck_># The maximum number of entries that is returned for a search operation
22:26<franck_>sizelimit 500
22:26<franck_># The tool-threads parameter sets the actual amount of cpu's that is used
22:26<franck_># for indexing.
22:26<franck_>tool-threads 1
22:26<franck_># Specific Backend Directives for bdb:
22:26<franck_># Backend specific directives apply to this backend until another
22:26<franck_># 'backend' directive occurs
22:26<franck_>backend bdb
22:26<franck_>checkpoint 512 30
22:26<franck_># Specific Backend Directives for 'other':
22:26<franck_># Backend specific directives apply to this backend until another
22:26<franck_># 'backend' directive occurs
22:26<franck_>#backend <other>
22:26<franck_># Specific Directives for database #1, of type bdb:
22:26<franck_># Database specific directives apply to this databasse until another
22:26<franck_># 'database' directive occurs
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22:26<franck_>database bdb
22:26<franck_># The base of your directory in database #1
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22:26<franck_>suffix "dc=nodomain"
22:26<franck_># rootdn directive for specifying a superuser on the database. This is needed
22:27<franck_># for syncrepl.
22:27<franck_># rootdn "cn=admin,dc=nodomain"
22:27<franck_>rootdn "cn=admin,dc=mondomaine,dc=net"
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22:27<franck_>rootpw {SSHA}
22:27<franck_>oops !
22:27<franck_>sorry i type nopaste
22:27<franck_>ok i stop :(
22:27<franck_>darkness !
22:27<franck_>sorry but i don't understad really what i do !
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22:27<franck_>paste the link ???
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22:28<hazard2>I've got a system that's booting off a usb flash drive (512mb)
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22:29<hazard2>any *SIMPLE* way to have the system be made usable by using some kind of network volume (on smbfs) for data space?
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22:56<robocop>hi do i get Kate to work under root so I can ad to the sources list please :)
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22:57<engywuck>since this is a X program
22:57<engywuck>you need the program sux
22:57<engywuck>use sux once, to setup the correct variables, leave it, then "sudo kate"
22:57<robocop> the command sux kate?.or do i install sux 1st?
22:57<engywuck>you can set the variables manually, but i prefer using "sux"
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22:58<craigevil>kdesu kate will work as well
22:58<engywuck>oh, then i made more work then necessary before :)
22:58<engywuck>since we are talking about X programs:
22:59<engywuck>is there a nice graphical way to connect my wlann card to wlan base stations/routers?
22:59<craigevil>kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list will popup a password box then open your soruces.list
22:59<engywuck>kwlan and knetworkmanager can't find it :(
23:02<gravity>You don't need sux
23:02<gravity>You can just symlink your ~/.Xauthority to /root
23:02<gravity>Erm... maybe not
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23:05<robocop>damn!!.installing the nvidia drivers failed using something from linuxquestions forum :(
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23:06<robocop>is there a better easier way polease?
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23:08<gsimmons>!tell robocop -about nvidia
23:08<qq> <robocop>
23:09<craigevil>robocop: are you using Testing?
23:10<robocop> etch 4.2
23:13<robocop> should i follow those instaructions.ive already done the upgrade and updates earlier today
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23:15<craigevil>somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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23:16<robocop>craig.if it helps out.Im using an nvidia gforce fx5500 256mb
23:17<craigevil>i had that card it worked just fine for me , but i run sid
23:18<robocop> Im a bit stuck?
23:19<craigevil>did you try following the wiki?
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23:20<robocop> will look at that now.thanks
23:20<engywuck>uns m-a
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23:20<engywuck>use m-a
23:20<engywuck>the only way that really works
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23:21<gsimmons>robocop: Your video card chipset is supported by the nvidia and nv drivers available for Etch.
23:23<engywuck>the wiki page is seriously outdated in terms of "what kernel is current" :)
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23:31<mignish>Does anyone know how to change the ctcp reply for Konversation?
23:32<robocop>engy.I was trying that m-a.Ive only jsdut installed debian etch.looks like i had a corrupt synaptics or something as i cant install xchat or anything on the debian pc, Im curently wrinting the info down from here and typing it all in the debian pc.but Im getting errors.oh well.thanks for you helps.i will try again laters :)
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23:43<jello>!greet all
23:43<dpkg>Welcome, all
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---Logclosed Mon Mar 10 00:00:09 2008