| --- | Log | opened Mon Mar 10 00:00:09 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon Mar 10 2008 |
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| 00:37 | <krakl> | Hi all. I just did a netinstall (testing) and it failed to install grub. I continued without it and I'm left with the grub of my last install. Now, can someone tell me how to edit it and boot? |
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| 00:41 | <qq> | well you boot in grub |
| 00:43 | <qq> | ? |
| 00:43 | <krakl> | yes but I have to edit the lines because they were done for my old sidux install |
| 00:44 | <qq> | ok |
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| 00:46 | <qq> | what are the lines in grub , after useing e=edit |
| 00:46 | <zarchne> | krakl: Are you just looking for /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 00:46 | <krakl> | yes |
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| 00:48 | <chealer> | krakl: you need to edit the root, the kernel and the initrd. |
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| 00:48 | <krakl> | yes |
| 00:49 | <qq> | ah , i was in menu of the grub after restart, so you want only to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:49 | <linuxguy> | ok....caan someone please put in the wiki for installing nvidai drivers again please :) |
| 00:49 | <gsimmons> | !nvidia |
| 00:49 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 00:51 | <qq> | krakl update-grub /dev/hda , don't work ? |
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| 00:53 | <krakl> | qq: unrecognized command |
| 00:54 | <krakl> | qq: I'm writing this on another laptop, I'm stuck in grub's command-line interface |
| 00:54 | <qq> | you nettwork is working ? |
| 00:54 | <krakl> | qq: and cat /boot/menu.lst gives me the old one |
| 00:54 | <krakl> | yes |
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| 00:55 | <qq> | use apt-get install grub . |
| 00:55 | <krakl> | but I have to switch ethernet cable (just have 1) |
| 00:56 | <qq> | switch , i wait |
| 00:56 | <krakl> | qq: I can't boot, and there's no apt-get in grub's commands |
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| 00:57 | <krakl> | I found this though http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=128716&sid=a972d46d85cec5ce33d141b98da5cea6 |
| 00:58 | <krakl> | I might just copy his lines arrange hda* and hope it works |
| 00:58 | <krakl> | I mean adapt the parts I need to |
| 00:59 | <qq> | yes, |
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| 01:05 | <krakl> | qq: ahhh good. it worked at first try. third entry |
| 01:06 | <qq> | super |
| 01:11 | <krakl> | qq: well thanks. I switch and continue this install now. bye |
| 01:11 | <qq> | bye |
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| 01:19 | <PythonNinja> | hi |
| 01:19 | <bighouse> | hi |
| 01:19 | <bighouse> | i just got conky |
| 01:20 | <bighouse> | nice tool |
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| 01:31 | <krakl> | re |
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| 01:56 | <bigtrigg> | hey anyone good with joomla on local host ? |
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| 01:59 | <bigtrigg> | can anyone tell me help me with a joomla installation when i go to view the installation file im getting permission denied |
| 01:59 | <bigtrigg> | i know its a permissions problem but im really not sure how to fix it |
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| 02:26 | <kreator> | hi guys how can i install e17 for my fresh lenny :P |
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| 02:27 | <kreator> | anyone help :S |
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| 03:00 | <Slydder> | morning all. |
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| 04:04 | <tang> | fgfsdg |
| 04:04 | <tang> | ºÃ |
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| 04:33 | <afterstep13> | hi, how do i find out which process is using a device or a file ? |
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| 04:36 | <Maulkin> | afterstep13: lsof |
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| 04:38 | <afterstep13> | well sometimes when i run mplayer i get the error pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 04:38 | <afterstep13> | what is causing it ? |
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| 04:42 | <afterstep13> | . |
| 04:43 | <morgan`> | hello |
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| 04:45 | <purx> | hello |
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| 04:57 | * | Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Lacuna Coil - To Live Is To Die |
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| 05:01 | * | Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3 Nightwish - Nemo |
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| 06:04 | <munga> | Is anybody using drupal to blog on planer.d.o ? how can I configure it so to show the full post and not excerpt + "read more" link ? |
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| 06:18 | <pmenier> | Hello |
| 06:19 | <pmenier> | does anybody get iscsi working on debian etch ? |
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| 06:20 | <pmenier> | i get it working fine beetween a etch server and a host windowsxp but not on a linux client |
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| 06:21 | <sas67> | hi chaps |
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| 06:21 | <sas67> | and ladies |
| 06:21 | <sas67> | just got a debian 4.0 server |
| 06:22 | <sas67> | want to run wine and utorrent on it |
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| 06:22 | <sas67> | how easy/hard is it to set up |
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| 06:23 | <jm_> | use rtorrent instead |
| 06:23 | <sas67> | is it possible for a noob to debian to set up |
| 06:24 | <sas67> | i want ut |
| 06:24 | <sas67> | some sites wont allow rtorrent |
| 06:24 | <sas67> | i have a vm with ubuntu and have installed wine and ut |
| 06:25 | <sas67> | so debian should be similar,im thinking |
| 06:25 | <sas67> | i may wait for m8 who knows debian to help setup |
| 06:25 | <sas67> | dont wanna screw things up |
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| 06:25 | <jm_> | it's mostly the same |
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| 06:27 | <sas67> | connected to server thru putty |
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| 06:27 | <sas67> | whereas my vm i could see desktop |
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| 06:29 | <linuxguy> | !nvidia |
| 06:29 | <dpkg> | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 06:30 | <kreator> | !e17 |
| 06:30 | <dpkg> | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 06:30 | <kreator> | !DR17 |
| 06:30 | <dpkg> | [DR17 debs] http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/E17/repository/index.html or http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ (dead link?) |
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| 06:31 | <pmenier> | nobody to help me with iscsi ? |
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| 06:31 | <kreator> | omg i love u bot :D |
| 06:31 | <pmenier> | i put my config here : http://pastebin.ca/936332 |
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| 06:33 | <kreator> | !awant |
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| 06:53 | <quick> | hi all |
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| 06:53 | <quick> | who is debian room for czech users please ? |
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| 06:54 | <azeem> | !cz |
| 06:54 | <dpkg> | cz is probably Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 06:55 | <quick> | dpkg, thx :) |
| 06:56 | <sep> | azeem, how unfair :: dpkg takes all the credits :) |
| 06:56 | <avtobiff> | hehe nice thanking dpkg for azeems work :) |
| 06:56 | <quick> | :) |
| 06:57 | <quick> | dpkg, is bot ?? |
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| 06:57 | <jm_> | !are you a bot? |
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| 07:17 | <sas67> | do i need amp to run a seedbox with debian? |
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| 07:20 | <BBoyDanny> | hi all |
| 07:20 | <BBoyDanny> | someone's experienced with atheros wifi cards? |
| 07:20 | <avtobiff> | a bit yes |
| 07:21 | <jm_> | !madwifi |
| 07:21 | <dpkg> | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
| 07:21 | <BBoyDanny> | !madwifi-install |
| 07:21 | <dpkg> | well, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 07:22 | <engywuck> | while we are at that |
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| 07:22 | <engywuck> | is there a nice graphical program to setup ath0? |
| 07:23 | <igrfx_> | Prompt what there is converter DVD in AVI video under Debian etch4? |
| 07:23 | <BBoyDanny> | I'd like my wifi card to work before thinking about guis :P |
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| 07:25 | <jm_> | igrfx_: /msg dpkg d-m |
| 07:26 | <igrfx_> | Существует вообще нормальный конвертер DVD в AVI видео под Debian ? |
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| 07:28 | <themill> | igrfx_: the transcode package can do that. Look at dvdrip for a frontend. |
| 07:29 | <themill> | igrfx_: There are useful packages on debian-multimedia.org /msg dpkg dmme |
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| 07:30 | <janus_> | Hi I'm not getting sound when using Realplayer. I installed as directed and have checked all audio settings. |
| 07:30 | <igrfx_> | All thanks! Now I shall look |
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| 07:36 | <janus_> | checked alot of linux forums, no fix found |
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| 07:38 | <engywuck> | realplayer setup correctly? |
| 07:38 | <engywuck> | using the correct output? |
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| 07:38 | <engywuck> | perhaps it needs OSS emulation drivers, not alsa (dunno...) |
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| 07:39 | <engywuck> | <BBoyDanny> I'd like my wifi card to work before thinking about guis :P <--- well, I'd like to know if there's a usable (non-encrypted) network near me :) |
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| 07:39 | <Gekz> | engywuck: with aircrack, they're all usable |
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| 07:40 | <janus_> | engywuck, I'm pretty sure. |
| 07:40 | <themill> | janus_: is your sound working in other applications? |
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| 07:41 | <engywuck> | but first you have to know they exist |
| 07:41 | <engywuck> | :) |
| 07:42 | <janus_> | themill, yes sound works in everything else. I'm quite stumpped |
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| 07:43 | <themill> | janus_: this is using the realplayer installer from them? Or are you using the w32codecs package to get ram support within totem/mplayer/etc? |
| 07:45 | <janus_> | themill, directly from realplayer, latest version. Using debian 4.0-r2 net install cd |
| 07:46 | <themill> | janus_: I never use realplayer itself... just the w32codecs package from debian-multimedia.org that allows me to play things through my normal player. Seems easier ;) Sorry.. I can't be much more help than that. |
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| 07:46 | <janus_> | themill, it's all good, thanks for your time' |
| 07:47 | <engywuck> | so you fall sharply between realplayers "sorry, we only really support windows" and debians "sorry, only support for internal packages" gap :) |
| 07:47 | <janus_> | I'll try the codecs |
| 07:47 | <engywuck> | i sometimes use mplayer or vlc, too |
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| 07:47 | <themill> | engywuck: welcome to closed-source software.... |
| 07:47 | <engywuck> | these can also play some of the (older) files |
| 07:47 | <janus_> | engywuck, lol, yes |
| 07:47 | <engywuck> | btew: wifi-radar was what i wanted :) |
| 07:48 | <engywuck> | -e |
| 07:48 | <engywuck> | no open networks, though |
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| 07:49 | <Gekz> | engywuck: you want kismet |
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| 07:50 | <engywuck> | i want to do illegal stuff? ;-) |
| 07:50 | <engywuck> | well, just for testing, i think it's ok |
| 07:51 | <Gekz> | kismet just scans |
| 07:51 | <Gekz> | and tells you if the router is factory settings |
| 07:51 | <Gekz> | and finds "hidden" APs |
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| 07:52 | <engywuck> | i know... the combination does it ;-) |
| 07:52 | <kharn> | 'lo |
| 07:53 | <kharn> | !dd |
| 07:53 | <dpkg> | rumour has it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 07:53 | <engywuck> | or dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc to produce a disk suitable to put encrypted partitions on |
| 07:53 | <engywuck> | :) |
| 07:54 | <Gekz> | lol |
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| 07:54 | <engywuck> | yes, i formatted the SSD of my EEE with that |
| 07:54 | <engywuck> | twice, because I made a mistake after first run. both runs with 500kB/s :( |
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| 07:55 | <kharn> | dd is the correct command to transfer one drive to a larger drive yeh? |
| 07:55 | <engywuck> | depends :) |
| 07:56 | <engywuck> | if you want exact same partition sizes: yes |
| 07:56 | <engywuck> | all other: nope |
| 07:56 | <engywuck> | :) |
| 07:56 | <kharn> | k .... lemme rephrase ... I want to transfer my installation to another (larger) drive ... |
| 07:56 | <kharn> | what would you suggest |
| 07:56 | <engywuck> | both disks in one computer? |
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| 07:56 | <kharn> | yep |
| 07:57 | <engywuck> | only linux partitions? |
| 07:57 | <kharn> | they will be very soon |
| 07:57 | <kharn> | about to write over the last remaining ntfs partition |
| 07:57 | <engywuck> | well, if there are only linux partitions: |
| 07:57 | <engywuck> | parttition new one like you want, format the partitions |
| 07:58 | <engywuck> | then mount the old one in (for example) /mnt/old1 (for partition 1) and the new one for /mnt/new1 |
| 07:58 | <engywuck> | then go to /mnt/old1 and do |
| 07:58 | <engywuck> | # cp -a * /mnt/new1 |
| 07:59 | <engywuck> | do for all partitions you want to copy |
| 07:59 | <jm_> | !cp hd to hd |
| 07:59 | <dpkg> | cp -ax, read the man page aswell, or cd /from && find . | cpio -pdumv /to or "rsync -axHS /from/. /to/.", where "/from/." can be "root@other-machine:/from/.""/to/." can be "root@other-machine:/to/.", or cp -ax /from/. /to/. (also read the man page) Ask me about <onedisktoanother> |
| 08:00 | <engywuck> | cheater ;-) |
| 08:00 | <kharn> | hehehehe |
| 08:00 | <kharn> | ty both :) |
| 08:00 | <kharn> | !onedisktoanother |
| 08:00 | <dpkg> | See this : http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/OneDiskToAnother |
| 08:00 | <engywuck> | if you want to make new one bootable: ask about that |
| 08:00 | <engywuck> | :) |
| 08:00 | <jm_> | there's also hard disk upgrade (mini?_ howto |
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| 08:01 | <engywuck> | you *could* also try to simply dd them |
| 08:01 | <engywuck> | and then use parted for resizing |
| 08:01 | <Gekz> | dd_rescue |
| 08:01 | <Gekz> | woo |
| 08:01 | <kharn> | ^^^ my original plan |
| 08:01 | <kharn> | but this seems easier |
| 08:01 | <kharn> | and better |
| 08:01 | <engywuck> | i tried several times - won't work for most filesystems |
| 08:02 | <engywuck> | because they can not be moved nicely (meaning moving start of partition...) |
| 08:02 | <kharn> | lol ... |
| 08:03 | <kharn> | !format |
| 08:03 | <dpkg> | hmm... format is apparently what Windows users call "mke2fs""fdisk" or both, or on floppies use superformat |
| 08:03 | <kharn> | he has amusing comments :) |
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| 08:11 | <k-man> | is there anything like quicksilver for debian? |
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| 08:11 | <k-man> | i'm using katapult but its a bit annoying |
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| 08:11 | <engywuck> | what is quicksilver? |
| 08:12 | <DaCapn> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_(software) |
| 08:12 | <engywuck> | besides the chemical element, of course :) |
| 08:12 | <DaCapn> | quicksilver is not a chemical element |
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| 08:12 | <engywuck> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element) <--- first line :) |
| 08:13 | <engywuck> | german: Quecksilber btw |
| 08:13 | <DaCapn> | well! |
| 08:14 | <DaCapn> | k-man I still can't really figure out what quicksilver IS... is it just some front end to changing keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures? |
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| 08:15 | <DaCapn> | If you like these kinds of things, you might be able to find what you want in compiz. Failing that... by configuring keyboard shortcuts |
| 08:15 | <k-man> | DaCapn, its like an application launcher on steroids |
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| 08:15 | <k-man> | you press command+space, and type a few letters of what app or file you are after and it finds it and lets you launch it |
| 08:16 | <k-man> | DaCapn, its kind of like tab completion for a gui as it also lets you press tab, and add paramaters after the app name |
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| 08:16 | <k-man> | gotta reconfigure X |
| 08:16 | <k-man> | bbiab |
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| 08:19 | <FoRcEr> | saludos, en synaptic no veo el amsn.. y poniendo apt-get install amsn tp lo encuentra |
| 08:20 | <jm_> | !es |
| 08:20 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:20 | <FoRcEr> | !es |
| 08:20 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:20 | <FoRcEr> | xD |
| 08:21 | <FoRcEr> | gracias |
| 08:21 | <FoRcEr> | thanks |
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| 08:36 | <sfinexer> | ребяс СРОЧНО обновить гном надо КАК графика полетела |
| 08:36 | <jm_> | !ru |
| 08:36 | <dpkg> | somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 08:37 | <sfinexer> | да у меня другой чат непашет ((( помогите |
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| 08:37 | <sfinexer> | гнома обновить (заставить полностью обновиться) через командную строку |
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| 08:40 | <Bicker> | can somebody tell me if it is possibel to install kde in debian without some programs (for example if ia use the command apt-get install kde , this will install a lot of programs and a do not need a lot of them , can i make something to not install kopete , for example , or any other programs witch is installed by default) ... ? |
| 08:40 | <themill> | !install kde |
| 08:40 | <dpkg> | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 08:40 | <jm_> | !install kde |
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| 08:42 | <DaCapn> | Rejected! |
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| 09:13 | <fred__> | hello |
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| 09:36 | <fred__> | hello |
| 09:37 | <ravi> | Hi, I had 1024x768 resolution on Etch but when I upgraded to Sid, it got converted into 800x600 |
| 09:37 | <ravi> | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't have an option to choose the screen resolution |
| 09:37 | <ravi> | so is there any new Debian way of changing the resolution? or should I hand edit xorg.conf? |
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| 09:38 | <jm_> | I read on some blog about some auto configuration for X but one can override it with hand written xorg.conf |
| 09:39 | <ravi> | ok |
| 09:40 | <engywuck> | try moving xorg.conf away and do a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:42 | <ravi> | same stuff, no resolution specified in the new conf file too. |
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| 09:42 | <engywuck> | then X does auto-config when starting |
| 09:43 | <engywuck> | you should have in Section "Screen" some lines like |
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| 09:43 | <engywuck> | Depth 24 |
| 09:43 | <engywuck> | Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" |
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| 09:44 | <engywuck> | in SubSection "Display" // EndSubSection |
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| 09:44 | <ravi> | no it is not there... I will simply move the old xorg.conf from etch as the current one. |
| 09:44 | <jm_> | why not read X logfile? |
| 09:44 | <engywuck> | oh, and when I reconfigure I get to the point where I can set resplutions |
| 09:45 | <ravi> | engywuck: are you on unstable? |
| 09:45 | <fred__> | hello |
| 09:46 | <engywuck> | no, lenny and etch |
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| 09:46 | <engywuck> | but shouldn't have changed as much to sid |
| 09:46 | <RaVen478> | Which iso do i download on the ftp site? there is like 20 diffrent ones |
| 09:47 | <RaVen478> | Im comming from ubuntu to debian |
| 09:47 | <engywuck> | depends on what you want... |
| 09:47 | <RaVen478> | Wel i only web develop |
| 09:48 | <engywuck> | no, for installation :) |
| 09:48 | <engywuck> | netinstalls are small images, but you need a network for installing |
| 09:48 | <RaVen478> | Haha well is there a gui one? |
| 09:48 | <RaVen478> | Just a normal install |
| 09:48 | <engywuck> | then there are the "complete" sets, where you can install offline |
| 09:48 | <engywuck> | there's a gui installer, but i don't know if it's stable enough now |
| 09:49 | <engywuck> | haven't used it :) |
| 09:49 | <RaVen478> | im looking at a kde one. |
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| 09:49 | <RaVen478> | but its all named debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso to 20 |
| 09:50 | <RaVen478> | Wich one do i pick? |
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| 09:51 | <sep> | RaVen478, you only need cd1 to install a basic system. you can install the rest from the net afterwards |
| 09:52 | <RaVen478> | ah thank you. So it basicly works like ubuntu? Where i only install the packages later in syntapic manager? |
| 09:53 | <jm_> | no, ubuntu works like debian :) |
| 09:53 | <RaVen478> | Haha sorry but ubuntu has many bugs cause its still new so i wil shift to debian |
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| 10:04 | <jars> | hi is there someone? |
| 10:04 | <Supaplex> | !tell jars -about ask |
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| 10:05 | <jars> | i just installed debian-Konversation, and it seems that it works |
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| 10:05 | <Supaplex> | spiffy |
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| 10:08 | <jenipapo> | hi all |
| 10:08 | <Eckrall> | hi |
| 10:08 | <fred__> | hello |
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| 10:13 | <fred__> | hmm how you do access to http://ftp2.fr.debian.org with ftp command |
| 10:13 | <fred__> | with update i have no problem |
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| 10:13 | <fred__> | with ftp it require password |
| 10:14 | <fred__> | i need list of software |
| 10:15 | <jm_> | ftp ftp@ |
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| 10:20 | <mikegrb> | wom ;ast |
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| 10:42 | <eyeris> | The AMD64 install disk is appropriate for Intel's copycat 64-bit tech, right? |
| 10:42 | <eyeris> | EM64t, I think it is called |
| 10:43 | <eyeris> | nvm, it is, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 10:45 | <engywuck> | yes |
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| 10:47 | <tj_> | hello |
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| 10:56 | <tingle> | top gives other mem results then system monitor (default shipped whit gnome) which one should be most accurate? |
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| 10:58 | <engywuck> | the ones of the command "free" :) |
| 11:00 | <tingle> | ? |
| 11:02 | <eyeris> | vmstat output is usually the most useful |
| 11:02 | <engywuck> | and that's what "free" says :) |
| 11:02 | <engywuck> | only in a nicer format |
| 11:03 | <eyeris> | ah |
| 11:03 | <eyeris> | Never used free ;) |
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| 11:03 | <dusty> | Can anyone recommend a decent php based forum thats fairly secure and would work well in a shared hosting environment? |
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| 11:05 | <tingle> | engywuck: thanks diddnt knew those commands seems like i got the same mem output as top |
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| 11:05 | <tingle> | then i got a huge mem load haha |
| 11:05 | <tingle> | must be the movie.. |
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| 11:05 | <engywuck> | look at the line starting with -/+ buffers/cache |
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| 11:06 | <engywuck> | that's the "really" free memory |
| 11:07 | <engywuck> | the rest is used by buffers/cache - and that's what memory is for, but it's easily free'd if need be |
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| 11:08 | <tingle> | ah ok i understand now so system monitor from gnome was right too now i understand |
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| 11:08 | <tingle> | thaks engywuck |
| 11:08 | <tingle> | s/thaks/thanks/ |
| 11:09 | <dusty> | Hey guys, I have setup a simple iptables firewall that logs, but for some reason it logs to syslog,messages is there a way to get it to goto its on logfile and not those two so it doesn't fill them and so i dont miss important messages or syslog things? |
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| 11:10 | <Assasin-> | Uh? Can I ask a question? |
| 11:10 | <engywuck> | !ask |
| 11:10 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:11 | <Gattuso> | ho |
| 11:11 | <Gattuso> | hi |
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| 11:11 | <Assasin-> | k |
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| 11:11 | <Gattuso> | there is somebody skilled in net connection?? |
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| 11:13 | <noflash> | Gattuso, there's bound to be, go ahead and ask your debian related question |
| 11:14 | <Assasin-> | How can I connect my WinXP PC to Debian Etch Linux PC? |
| 11:14 | <Gattuso> | i'm trying to create a wifi access point with debian |
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| 11:14 | <Gattuso> | but i have some problem |
| 11:14 | <Assasin-> | I don't know how. I'm still new to linux. I just tried it last week. |
| 11:15 | <Gattuso> | i'm certain that tha driver is right |
| 11:15 | <engywuck> | @dusty: look in syslog.conf |
| 11:16 | <Gattuso> | but every time i start the connection the second pc (a nintendo ds) don't take the connection |
| 11:16 | <engywuck> | @Assasin-: you want to share files? or what else do you want? |
| 11:16 | <Gattuso> | another thing: |
| 11:16 | <dusty> | engywuck, what for? |
| 11:16 | <engywuck> | printserver? router? |
| 11:16 | <engywuck> | there you should be able to change where sth is logged |
| 11:17 | <Assasin-> | How can I share files from Debian Etch linux to win xp? |
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| 11:18 | <engywuck> | install samba, and perhaps swat for easier configuration |
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| 11:18 | <Lord_Pornos> | What's swat? |
| 11:18 | <engywuck> | or change /etc/samba/smb.conf then directly |
| 11:18 | <engywuck> | Samba Web Administration tool |
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| 11:19 | <Lord_Pornos> | Is it included in the first CD of debian Etch. I seem to recall seeing a file like that. |
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| 11:20 | <engywuck> | possibly |
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| 11:20 | <zepa> | anybody got an solution where I can remote controll my Debian computer using my Vista laptop without installing stuff on my Vista? |
| 11:21 | <engywuck> | there's also gsambad for configuration via gnome program |
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| 11:21 | <engywuck> | hmmm |
| 11:21 | <Lord_Pornos> | gnome right. |
| 11:21 | <Lord_Pornos> | What about its setting are there any specifics on it? |
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| 11:22 | <engywuck> | vncviewer works without installation, or putty for ssh acces, zepa |
| 11:22 | <engywuck> | !samba |
| 11:22 | <dpkg> | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 11:22 | <engywuck> | !tell Lord_Pornos about samba |
| 11:23 | <Lord_Pornos> | k. I'll try fiddling with it tommorow |
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| 11:23 | <zepa> | hmm, where is the terminal from where I can use vncviewer? |
| 11:23 | <zepa> | in vista |
| 11:24 | <engywuck> | grab the file, execute it |
| 11:24 | <engywuck> | :) |
| 11:24 | <zepa> | Ill do a search for it, sec |
| 11:24 | <engywuck> | oh, and you need some vncserver on your linux machine |
| 11:24 | <Lord_Pornos> | Are there any good games for linux and also free? |
| 11:25 | <engywuck> | have a look in your aptitude/synaptics/kpackage program for "games" |
| 11:25 | <engywuck> | there are some dozen or so prepared for debian |
| 11:25 | <engywuck> | and else there are some quite nice commecrial ones |
| 11:25 | <themill> | zepa: there's also a java version of the vncviewer that you can use |
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| 11:26 | <zepa> | hmm |
| 11:26 | <zepa> | where do I find vncviewer, try describing it like I was your mom |
| 11:27 | <zepa> | I know stuff about windows, a little about vista and close to nothing about debian :\ |
| 11:27 | <engywuck> | http://www.realvnc.com/ |
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| 11:27 | <Lord_Pornos> | I tried downloading some free games for linux but I have trouble running it because of some missing libraries. |
| 11:27 | <engywuck> | that's for the windows side |
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| 11:27 | <themill> | zepa: http://www.realvnc.com/support/javavncviewer.html |
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| 11:29 | <zepa> | hmm |
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| 11:29 | <zepa> | VNC seems to cost money :\ |
| 11:29 | <zepa> | for vista |
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| 11:29 | <themill> | zepa: but you will need to install a vnc server on your debian machine and have it running before you can connect to it. aptitude install vnc4server |
| 11:29 | <zepa> | oh ty |
| 11:29 | <themill> | zepa: no... just install the debian package and get on with it |
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| 11:31 | <toto> | toto |
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| 11:32 | <zepa> | now where do I found out from where I can start the VNC server? |
| 11:32 | <zepa> | find* |
| 11:32 | <Lord_Pornos> | Is there some way from |
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| 11:32 | <zepa> | err |
| 11:33 | <zepa> | from where do I start VNC server?* |
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| 11:33 | <Lord_Pornos> | Is there some way for my drives to maintain their names like hda1 or hda2 even when I change master and slave drives? |
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| 11:35 | <engywuck> | give the partitions on them labels, which you can use for mounting them |
| 11:36 | <engywuck> | !tell zepa about vnc |
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| 11:43 | <Supaplex> | !tell anggateugm about msg |
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| 11:43 | <Lord_Pornos> | So that's it |
| 11:44 | <Lord_Pornos> | Give me an example of how mount it ngywuck. Pls. |
| 11:44 | <Lord_Pornos> | Give me an example of how you mount it by its label engywuck. Pls. |
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| 11:45 | <Supaplex> | anggateugm: keep it in #debian I'm ignoring your pm's because you didn't ask beforehand. see what dpkg just told you |
| 11:45 | <engywuck> | man mount |
| 11:45 | <engywuck> | look for option -L |
| 11:46 | <Lord_Pornos> | thnx |
| 11:46 | <Lord_Pornos> | I'll se to it tommoow |
| 11:46 | <E0x> | tomorrow will be late |
| 11:48 | <Lord_Pornos> | I'll do it tommorow coz it's already in the evening here. I'll just watch porn for tonight. |
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| 11:50 | <Lord_Pornos> | I need a lighter GUI which would you recommend? |
| 11:51 | <Torsten_W> | xfce |
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| 11:53 | <Lord_Pornos> | xfce? What does it look like? |
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| 11:53 | <Lord_Pornos> | Does it look like Borland's Turbo C IDE? |
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| 12:17 | <kie27> | greetings all, am running lenny, have a strange issue where i can play ogg with rythmbox, but xine, ogle, vlc, alsplayer, audacity don't produce any sound. also no sound on firefox. any ideas? |
| 12:17 | <kie27> | the sound with rythmbox is quite quiet, but it's the only one that gives sound. |
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| 12:18 | <Aleric> | kie27: install oss-compat |
| 12:18 | <Aleric> | err |
| 12:18 | <Aleric> | kie27: install alsa-oss |
| 12:19 | <Aleric> | alsaplayer should already give sound though... |
| 12:19 | <Aleric> | But you need alsa-oss for firefox imho |
| 12:20 | <Supaplex> | !blame the mixer |
| 12:20 | * | dpkg blames Alam_Debian and the mixer for the end of culture as we know it |
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| 12:21 | <kie27> | alsa-oss installed still don't get sound from vlc, alsaplayer |
| 12:21 | <Aleric> | Did you run alsamixer ? |
| 12:22 | <kie27> | ran alsamixergui |
| 12:23 | <Aleric> | !alsa |
| 12:23 | <dpkg> | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 12:23 | <Aleric> | You can can /msg dpkg here with 'alsa-checklist' etc |
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| 12:25 | <Alam_Debian> | ok, dpkg's !blames pikes a random people/nickname? |
| 12:25 | <Aleric> | !blame dpkg |
| 12:25 | * | dpkg blames dwon and dpkg for all the evil in the world |
| 12:25 | <Aleric> | Apparently |
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| 12:27 | <Supaplex> | !literal CMD: blame (.*?) |
| 12:27 | <dpkg> | "cmd: blame (.*?)" is "($1): <action> blames $randnick and $1 for (all the evil in the world|the end of (life|culture|the Internet|the world) as we know it)" |
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| 12:27 | <Supaplex> | there you have it. :P |
| 12:27 | <Supaplex> | !say $randnick |
| 12:27 | <dpkg> | $randnick |
| 12:27 | <Supaplex> | guess it's a factoid widget only. :) |
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| 12:30 | <Lord_Pornos> | hammer ur PC |
| 12:31 | <kie27> | aleric: oss-compat and alsa-oss now installed, rythmbox, mplayer produce sound, but firefox, audacity, vlc, gxine and alsaplayer do not. |
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| 12:33 | <kie27> | any other ideas ? btw alsamixer reports chip:Realtek ALC262 |
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| 12:47 | <engywuck> | anyone knowing how i can set iceweasel as default web browser for icedove in etch kde? |
| 12:48 | <themill> | !kdebrowser |
| 12:48 | <dpkg> | To change the default web browser in KDE, open kcontrol, go to Components -> Components chooser -> Web browser. Check 'The following browser' and enter the desired name (eg. "iceweasel"). Also ask me about <x-www-browser> and <www-browser>. |
| 12:48 | <themill> | I actually have it set to be based on mime type instead. |
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| 12:50 | <themill> | dpkg: kdebrowser is also Alternatively, you can use "in an application based on the contents" and set iceweasel to open application/xhtml+xml and text/html |
| 12:50 | <dpkg> | okay, themill |
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| 12:52 | <engywuck> | thanks |
| 12:52 | <engywuck> | i had a look in kcontrol->web browser :) |
| 12:55 | <engywuck> | still uses konqueror, even after a restart of icedove |
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| 12:58 | <Lord_Pornos> | How can I boot Debian linux without loading the GUI? |
| 12:59 | <cahoot> | in rescue/safe mode (or whatever the option is called) |
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| 12:59 | <cahoot> | single-user |
| 12:59 | <Lord_Pornos> | But i dont want be in rescue mode. |
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| 13:00 | <cahoot> | from there you can disable gdm |
| 13:00 | <Lord_Pornos> | I just want to boot in a plain console mode. |
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| 13:01 | <Lord_Pornos> | Which is better Gnome or KDE? |
| 13:02 | <cahoot> | only you can tell |
| 13:02 | <Lord_Pornos> | oh man!... |
| 13:02 | <cahoot> | !best |
| 13:02 | <dpkg> | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:02 | <Lord_Pornos> | Anyone here who knows Porn for linux? |
| 13:03 | <bighouse> | try www.cowsmonkeysandPCS.com |
| 13:03 | <Lord_Pornos> | I mean the best Porn for Linux? |
| 13:04 | <Lord_Pornos> | Porn which does not take too much resources but still runs very fast. |
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| 13:04 | <Bert> | try images lord :p |
| 13:05 | <Lord_Pornos> | Porn in Windows is much too crappy. |
| 13:06 | <Lord_Pornos> | Lots of glitches and security holes. |
| 13:06 | <zepa> | you allways got youporn.com |
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| 13:06 | <Lord_Pornos> | Is it compatible for linux? |
| 13:06 | <engywuck> | <Lord_Pornos> I just want to boot in a plain console mode. <--- you can define that in one runlevel gdm/kdm/whatever isn't started and then say before booting you want thet runlevel |
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| 13:06 | <zepa> | ye it is |
| 13:06 | <zepa> | errr |
| 13:06 | <zepa> | Porn aint a program right? |
| 13:07 | <Lord_Pornos> | Eh? |
| 13:07 | <zepa> | hmm |
| 13:07 | <zepa> | just go to youporn.com and tell me if thats what you were looking for or not |
| 13:08 | <Lord_Pornos> | I guess I'll have to dig in that Linux Book of my brother's. Even if its examples are for Red Hat. |
| 13:08 | <cahoot> | excellent idea |
| 13:08 | <Bert> | haha zepa :p you wish |
| 13:09 | <Lord_Pornos> | I've tried Porn in my school in a Win XP OS but it looks very choppy. I just can't get hard enough. |
| 13:09 | <engywuck> | wtf? |
| 13:09 | <zepa> | whats Porn? >_< |
| 13:10 | <engywuck> | www.pornforwhiners.com |
| 13:10 | <Aleric> | It's a troll |
| 13:10 | <Bert> | http://linuxslut.net/album/linuxsluts/index.html -> linux porn :p |
| 13:10 | <cahoot> | you think? |
| 13:10 | <Aleric> | /ignore Lord_Pornos |
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| 13:10 | <Lord_Pornos> | Have you tried Porn in Windows it's like total crap. |
| 13:10 | <zepa> | mmk |
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| 13:10 | <zepa> | google it |
| 13:11 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 13:11 | -!- | mode/#debian [+b *!*@124.107.61.39] by azeem |
| 13:11 | -!- | mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 13:11 | -!- | mode/#debian [+n] by ChanServ |
| 13:11 | <azeem> | Lord_Pornos: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 13:11 | <zepa> | hmm |
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| 13:12 | <zepa> | where is the command list stored? |
| 13:12 | <lan> | ?? |
| 13:12 | <lan> | não sabo!!! |
| 13:12 | <zepa> | like, whats the command for changing password in vnc4server? |
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| 13:13 | <lan> | tb não sabo!! |
| 13:13 | <dopes> | ./server irc.indoirc.net |
| 13:13 | <azeem> | !pt |
| 13:13 | <dpkg> | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:14 | <lan> | #debian-br |
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| 13:15 | <Fill> | hi, I am trying to compile PHP with OpenSSL support, but I need to specify the OpenSSL directory and don't know which directory it is. Is there a way I can find it? |
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| 13:16 | <bighouse> | no |
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| 13:21 | <thsalex> | boa tarde galera |
| 13:21 | <azeem> | !pt |
| 13:21 | <dpkg> | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:21 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
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| 13:23 | <Elfir3> | hi |
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| 13:25 | <sasha> | hi , i have a problem with gdm when i put my login / pwd , it restart gdm amd then when i put again my login/ password it starts gnome , does anybody here have the same problem ? |
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| 13:31 | <qq> | harddisk if full ? |
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| 13:31 | <qq> | i mean 100% used |
| 13:32 | <sasha> | no |
| 13:32 | <terminal_dude> | hey guyz |
| 13:32 | <terminal_dude> | can anybody help out |
| 13:32 | <sasha> | !ask |
| 13:32 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:33 | <terminal_dude> | Im trying to install Vmware Install Tools in Debian. but when the mounted vmware disc has no gz files.. |
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| 13:34 | <sasha> | terminal_Dude : it as a bin file if you configured it as a Linux 2.6 system |
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| 13:36 | <sasha> | Another question for me , each time i install a packet it says it is not authentificated ever if it comes from stable/testing repo can somebody help |
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| 13:37 | <cahoot> | sasha: try the info on public key in /topic |
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| 13:38 | <sasha> | but when i do apt-get update it does not says any errors for those repositories |
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| 13:38 | <qq> | sasha : and if you log with other use ? |
| 13:39 | <sasha> | qq : i did not tried |
| 13:40 | <qq> | s/use/user |
| 13:40 | <sasha> | unfortunately right now i can not try |
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| 13:45 | <qq> | sasha: sometimes if you change the manner you are type your passwd may have that issue |
| 13:46 | <qq> | sasha: sometimes if you change the manner you are type your passwd may have that issue |
| 13:47 | <sasha> | qq : it is a security feature ? |
| 13:47 | <themill> | wtf? |
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| 13:52 | <qq> | sasha: I think so |
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| 13:52 | <sasha> | ho ok strange indeed |
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| 13:53 | <azeem> | qq: what do you mean with "sometimes if you change the manner you are type your passwd may have that issue"? |
| 13:53 | <sasha> | and for that problem do you have an idea each time i install a packet it says it is not authentificated ever if it comes from stable/testing repo can somebody help |
| 13:53 | <cahoot> | sasha: try the info on public key in /topic |
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| 13:54 | <Supaplex> | grr... bug bites are annoying |
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| 13:56 | <fenix> | ola |
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| 13:57 | <qq> | azeem: if I give you my passwd , and tell you to enter in my session, you will type my passwd completely different that me; |
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| 13:58 | <themill> | qq: I can't begin to dream what it is you're on about... |
| 13:58 | <azeem> | qq: and...? |
| 13:59 | <qq> | well, test your self ... |
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| 14:00 | <azeem> | qq: how is this relevant? |
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| 14:00 | <themill> | qq: If I type the right password, I can log in, if I type the wrong password I can't. This isn't a new concept. What are you trying to tell us? |
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| 14:01 | <azeem> | I think he's talking about some key-press-timings thing as an additional security layer |
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| 14:01 | <themill> | and he thinks this is now enabled on lenny? |
| 14:01 | <qq> | yes azeem |
| 14:02 | <azeem> | 18:59 < azeem> qq: how is this relevant? |
| 14:02 | <azeem> | qq: this is a channel about Debian support, not to discuss the latest advancements in security research |
| 14:04 | <qq> | as sasha tell before login session of gnome is restarted for a new login |
| 14:04 | <azeem> | qq: so are you claiming that this is enabled by default in debian? |
| 14:05 | <themill> | (or at all, let alone by default) |
| 14:05 | <qq> | azeem: no, but view in practice |
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| 14:05 | <azeem> | qq: but view in practise? |
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| 14:06 | <azeem> | sorry, I don't understand |
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| 14:06 | <qq> | s/practice/practise |
| 14:06 | <themill> | qq: I think it would be best if you stuck to things about which you know something rather than rambling and providing users with bad advice. |
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| 14:07 | <azeem> | qq: I still don't understand |
| 14:07 | <qq> | thanks |
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| 14:14 | <qq> | azeem: there are users who call me , because they cannot enter their session, passwd dis_match, i cam ,i enter same passwd and session is opened. Why ? that me who entered the first time his passwd. |
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| 14:15 | <azeem> | qq: so maybe your users typoed their password, or you configured that above discussed key-press-timer |
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| 14:29 | <rjent> | Greetings, on debian (lenny) do I need a file /etc/ldap.conf to authenticate against openldap? |
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| 14:58 | <bouhssini> | hi |
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| 15:08 | <alaya> | are there different pings? iputils-ping gives up immediately if the host is not found |
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| 15:10 | <alaya> | there is another one that will keep on trying |
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| 15:11 | <alaya> | ah i see there is a inetutils-ping also |
| 15:12 | <alaya> | odd that they conflict. |
| 15:12 | <alaya> | instead of using alternatives |
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| 15:21 | <maxb> | What time of day does the testing migration occur? |
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| 15:49 | <altumspatium> | could someone please help me with setting up Debian on raid1 -> luks -> lvm? |
| 15:49 | <altumspatium> | altumspatoum |
| 15:49 | <engywuck> | o.O |
| 15:49 | <engywuck> | with debian installer or manually? |
| 15:50 | <altumspatium> | debian installer, manual option |
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| 15:50 | <Aleric> | I still don't understand what lvm is, or what it is needed for. |
| 15:50 | <engywuck> | sorry, never made :) |
| 15:50 | <engywuck> | lvm makes it easier to resize partitions etc |
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| 15:50 | <riton> | lvm is a great logical volume manager |
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| 15:51 | <riton> | it is needed to get one partition on several physiscal disks |
| 15:51 | <Aleric> | Hmm. I think that the idea of a partition was that it's ... well, on one partition. The head has to move relatively little. |
| 15:51 | <altumspatium> | I am not sure if this is even the right order, or should it be raid1, lvm and then luks? |
| 15:52 | <Aleric> | I wouldn't want to have a partition where the blocks really are scatered all over my disk |
| 15:52 | <Aleric> | Nah, raid, luks, lvm |
| 15:52 | <riton> | I am not sure but it seems that lvm is not able to mirror disks |
| 15:52 | <riton> | only for RAID0 |
| 15:53 | <altumspatium> | ok |
| 15:53 | <riton> | aint it? |
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| 15:53 | <engywuck> | Einladung an alle IW-ler: kommt morgen als teilnehmer in Aklims Radiosendung (via Skype) und labert über die vergangene Runde: Was lief toll bei euch, was war schlecht, welche Kriege hatten den meisten Unterhaltungswert und und und |
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| 15:54 | <engywuck> | SORRY |
| 15:54 | <engywuck> | thought amsg was server-intern |
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| 15:54 | <engywuck> | should have stayed on gamesurge.net |
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| 15:57 | <altumspatium> | so noone in here has done installs using raid1-luks-lvm recently, not that I really need it, just wanted to try and see if is practical |
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| 15:58 | <Aleric> | I use raid5-luks |
| 15:59 | <Aleric> | Not for the root though, just raid5 there. |
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| 15:59 | <Aleric> | Hmmm, no. |
| 15:59 | <altumspatium> | did ypou have to mess with the cryptab file during install? |
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| 15:59 | <Aleric> | I use just luks on a non-raid partition. |
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| 15:59 | <Aleric> | I didn't do it duing install: the installers never work |
| 16:00 | <Aleric> | I always tell installers not to touch my partitions or filesystems :p |
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| 16:01 | <altumspatium> | my to disks have been tatooed with random ones and zeroes several times now |
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| 16:03 | <Supaplex> | not just any 1 or any 0, but random 1's and random 0's. |
| 16:03 | <Supaplex> | and all along I thought there was only one of each. |
| 16:03 | <altumspatium> | exactly |
| 16:04 | <altumspatium> | to each one and zero their well deserved identity |
| 16:06 | <riton> | I m not sure again but... luks only manages encryption and not RAID? |
| 16:06 | <altumspatium> | but you can have necryption on a raid device |
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| 16:07 | <riton> | I think so |
| 16:08 | <altumspatium> | and within the crypto-device you can have a lvm volume group, which in turn contains several logical volumes, that is where my problem starts |
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| 16:23 | <billye54> | bonsoir |
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| 16:25 | <bojanr> | Has anyone had luck installing recent versions of Debian onto a B&W G3 PowerMac? |
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| 16:25 | <bojanr> | I tried Ubuntu's community supported edition (yes, yes, laugh all you want), and it doesn't boot properly (flashing question mark folder, then just goes to OS X). |
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| 16:25 | <bojanr> | Hoping Debian will do the trick. |
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| 16:28 | <riton> | I think you'll need a PPC distrib? |
| 16:28 | <riton> | either debian or ubuntu, just don't try an 386 version |
| 16:29 | <riton> | sorry x86 |
| 16:29 | <bojanr> | Yep, knew that. |
| 16:29 | <bojanr> | Just wondering about how well the process has gone for people. |
| 16:29 | <Maulkin> | Debian just worked(tm) for me |
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| 16:31 | <bojanr> | Cool. |
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| 16:49 | <hoopy> | I'm running etch and I installed some mono development tools from backports. The binaries that were supposed to have been installed aren't being "found". Do I need to add something to my $PATH? |
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| 16:50 | <marc_> | what's the propper way to install nvidia's video drivers in testing? |
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| 16:50 | <engywuck> | !tell marc_ about nvidia |
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| 16:52 | <engywuck> | did backports get a new key today? |
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| 16:54 | <hoopy> | engywuck: i'm not sure, i haven't used backports until today |
| 16:55 | <engywuck> | got a warning about "no key" twice |
| 16:55 | <hoopy> | engywuck: do you have to add anything to your PATH environment variable for backports related binaries? |
| 16:55 | <engywuck> | now it works abain... |
| 16:55 | <engywuck> | no |
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| 16:55 | <engywuck> | it just worked for me |
| 16:55 | <hoopy> | weird |
| 16:55 | <engywuck> | but I did not install mono := |
| 16:55 | <engywuck> | :) |
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| 16:55 | <hoopy> | i installed the mono dev tools and mcs and gmcs aren't there :\ |
| 16:55 | <hoopy> | "mono" is, though |
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| 16:56 | <chealer> | marc_: I guess there isn't. you can try upgrading X11 to unstable and following the guide. |
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| 16:58 | <engywuck> | WOW, *large* update from bpo |
| 16:58 | <engywuck> | complete KDE, OpenOffice *and* kernel |
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| 17:02 | <kurumin> | list |
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| 17:02 | <kurumin> | juizdefora |
| 17:02 | <kurumin> | a |
| 17:02 | <kurumin> | am |
| 17:02 | <kurumin> | q |
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| 17:03 | <noble-> | anyone know if I can burn a CD ISO on a DVD+RW disc? or will it not work? |
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| 17:04 | <dondelelcaro> | noble-: it will work. |
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| 17:04 | <p_quarles> | noble-: yes, it will; but if it's RW, why not just try it? ;) |
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| 17:05 | <noble-> | well I waisted like 4 CD-R disc last night, so I'm kinda turned off to waiting that long and having it fail |
| 17:05 | <noble-> | heheh |
| 17:05 | <noble-> | but I will try it, thanks |
| 17:06 | <p_quarles> | noble-: yeah, "ISO" just refers to the filesystem; the data type doesn't know whether the disk you're using is a DVD or CD |
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| 17:07 | <donfede> | anyone else experiencing no response from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ? |
| 17:07 | <Aleric> | not me |
| 17:07 | <Aleric> | it works |
| 17:08 | <donfede> | :( |
| 17:08 | <donfede> | Aleric: thanks |
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| 17:13 | <p_quarles> | donfede: if you're still having the problem, it could be your DNS server; try entering the IP address into your browser |
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| 17:14 | <donfede> | p_quarles: it was a dying firefox session :-/ ... sorry to waste bandwidth (did not expect that problem) ... |
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| 17:45 | <SeveredCross> | Hey y'all. |
| 17:45 | <SeveredCross> | Anyone around? |
| 17:45 | <engywuck> | !ask |
| 17:45 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:45 | <Torsten_W> | no, only 307 bots |
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| 17:46 | <SeveredCross> | Sorry, have to use pidgin for IRC and it's not showing users. |
| 17:46 | <SeveredCross> | Anyway. |
| 17:47 | <SeveredCross> | I just installed Debian on a G3 B&W PowerMac, using the netinstall CD. |
| 17:47 | <SeveredCross> | It installed fine, but now it won't boot. |
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| 17:47 | <SeveredCross> | It displays the flashing happy Mac/? folder, then just drops back to the OS X boot sequence. |
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| 17:47 | <SeveredCross> | Has anyone else experienced this and can anyone suggest any fixes? |
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| 17:49 | <twb> | OpenLDAP fun! With [...] /etc/ldap/ldap.conf being a symlink to /etc/ldap.conf, and /etc/nsswitch.conf using ldap for passwd/group/shadow... ldapsearch -x works on both client and server. getent passwd works (and returns LDAP entries) on the server. getent passwd hangs on the client. What can I do to isolate the fault? tcpdump indicates that packets stop flowing between client and server shortly after launching |
| 17:49 | <twb> | "getent passwd", but getent doesn't return. |
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| 17:51 | <twb> | (This is actually with Hardy for reasons-beyond-my-control, but I'm currently building a lenny network to attempt to reproduce the problem, because #ubuntu+1 is completely useless.) |
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| 18:06 | <lockoff> | could someone suggest me some Winamp-like player? |
| 18:06 | <twb> | lockoff: xmms, audacious, bmp |
| 18:06 | <twb> | They are compatible with winamp skins, unless you mean the wanky new winamp |
| 18:07 | <lockoff> | thanx, Ill try em out. dont need skins |
| 18:07 | <twb> | Then you might as well use mplayer by hand :P |
| 18:08 | <twb> | I personally quite like mpd and xmms2 because they use a client/server design, so that you can talk to them via a number of different user interfaces. |
| 18:08 | <twb> | (And they can keep playing even if you aren't logged in.) |
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| 18:08 | <andresvia> | Hello! |
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| 18:11 | <andresvia> | How to purge a half-configured package, msttcorefonts, one font archive is blocked by my proxy and the package is in the limbo, can't purge it, dpkg always try to configure it first but can't finish due to errors. Can't install anything else. |
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| 18:11 | <lockoff> | something a bit better than Rhythmbox will do. need a g. equalizer |
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| 18:12 | <andresvia> | Maybe I need to edit some dpkg files by hand? |
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| 18:13 | <fjfalcon> | do anyone install awesome wm ? |
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| 18:14 | <Supaplex> | I can has wm? |
| 18:14 | <engywuck> | hmmm |
| 18:14 | <lockoff> | maybe you should try channels in your language |
| 18:14 | <engywuck> | if you dl maually and add to package cache, andresvia? |
| 18:15 | <engywuck> | or try dpkg -P msttcorefonts |
| 18:16 | <andresvia> | dpkg -P tries to finish the configuration first. |
| 18:16 | <engywuck> | hmmm |
| 18:16 | <engywuck> | add --force? |
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| 18:18 | <andresvia> | engywuck, --force-... many options. |
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| 18:19 | <engywuck> | emove-reinstreq [!] Remove packages which require installation |
| 18:19 | <engywuck> | remove-reinstreq [!] Remove packages which require installation |
| 18:20 | <engywuck> | as said by --force-help :) |
| 18:20 | <engywuck> | but the ! means that this option can have bad aspects on your system |
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| 18:21 | <andresvia> | Thanks engywuck :) |
| 18:21 | <Ouroboros> | i am trying to boot off a usb stick, but i am getting the "Waiting for root file system" error because it looks like the SCSI device comes up too slowly... how should I fix this? |
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| 18:24 | <vortex> | who the hell is Filipus Klutiero |
| 18:24 | <hansmann> | sers |
| 18:24 | <Ouroboros> | alternatively, how do you get the initramfs shell |
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| 18:25 | <vortex> | oops meant for #d-d |
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| 18:25 | <azeem> | vortex: chealer |
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| 18:25 | <vortex> | ah |
| 18:25 | * | chealer waves |
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| 18:27 | <sioc> | hi |
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| 18:28 | <sioc> | I got some trouble with firewire in kernel 2.6.22 I can´t find what´s /dev is created then (and i got firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc0, gap_count=5 in my dmesg) any idea ? |
| 18:28 | <the> | hello |
| 18:29 | <the> | what are the best problems for debian linux? |
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| 18:29 | <petemc> | bugs.debian.org lists lots of problems |
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| 18:30 | <whitehat> | hello is anyone here? |
| 18:30 | <andresvia> | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -P msttcorefonts .... errors while processing msttcorefonts |
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| 18:30 | <whitehat> | I recently ditched windows! |
| 18:30 | <engywuck> | sorry, no idea then |
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| 18:30 | <whitehat> | and I love this |
| 18:31 | <whitehat> | linux rocks |
| 18:31 | <sioc> | andresvia: tried with apt-get ? |
| 18:31 | <whitehat> | what are some good programs in debian? |
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| 18:32 | <sioc> | whitehat: can you be more explicit ? |
| 18:32 | <whitehat> | what? |
| 18:32 | <andresvia> | sioc, apt-get it is trying to finish the configuration again. |
| 18:32 | <whitehat> | explicit to what? |
| 18:33 | <vortex> | whitehat: gnome or kde? |
| 18:33 | <whitehat> | gnome |
| 18:33 | <sioc> | whitehat: what do you mean, what do you want / search ? |
| 18:33 | <whitehat> | idk I just recently installed this |
| 18:33 | <sioc> | andresvia: you tried many optiens ? |
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| 18:33 | <whitehat> | and I just needed something to do |
| 18:33 | <vortex> | whitehat: you could always look at the huge number of games |
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| 18:33 | <whitehat> | hmmmmm yeah I guess |
| 18:34 | <sioc> | whitehat: try frozen-bubble |
| 18:34 | <whitehat> | this is so much better then windos |
| 18:34 | <vortex> | or hex-a-hop damn addicting game |
| 18:34 | <whitehat> | I don't have thoughs though |
| 18:34 | <whitehat> | windows was such a drag I had vista |
| 18:35 | <vortex> | just do aptitude install frozen-bubble from the command line |
| 18:35 | <whitehat> | ok! |
| 18:35 | <whitehat> | where will it go and how do I get to it though? |
| 18:35 | <vortex> | it will be added to your programs menu |
| 18:35 | <sioc> | andresvia: i joined and you already asked for help, what exactly is your trouble ? |
| 18:36 | <sioc> | andresvia: stuck in msttcorefonts install ? |
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| 18:36 | <whitehat> | thats a lot of mbs |
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| 18:36 | <andresvia> | msttcorefonts is half configured, because one of the microsoft fonts url is blocked by the proxy, so I try to purge it but everytime I try to remove it or purge it, apt - dpkg tries to finish the configuration first. |
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| 18:37 | <whitehat> | cool its there |
| 18:37 | <whitehat> | I got a question though |
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| 18:37 | <sioc> | andresvia: trying all the --force ? |
| 18:38 | <vortex> | whitehat: just ask |
| 18:38 | <whitehat> | how do I get a list of things that can be installed? |
| 18:38 | <petemc> | apt-cache search |
| 18:38 | <vortex> | just arun aptitude from the command line and it will give you a menu, or apt-cache search <search term> |
| 18:38 | <andresvia> | sioc, no, just --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 18:38 | <themill> | frozen-bubble ++ :) |
| 18:38 | <sioc> | andresvia: i mean with apt |
| 18:39 | <vortex> | whitehat: you could also try searching for what you want on debtags.alioth.debian.org |
| 18:39 | <vortex> | based on tags added by users |
| 18:39 | <themill> | whitehat: synaptic is a nice interface for searching for packages too |
| 18:39 | <andresvia> | sioc, wich apt, apt-get or aptitude? |
| 18:39 | <sioc> | andresvia: apt-get |
| 18:39 | <sioc> | andresvia: it helped me more than dpkg on these kind of trouble |
| 18:40 | <andresvia> | sioc, apt-get has just --force-yes. |
| 18:40 | <andresvia> | I'm trying it. |
| 18:40 | <sioc> | andresvia: try --force-all |
| 18:40 | <vortex> | sioc: thats a dpkg command |
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| 18:41 | <whitehat> | cool |
| 18:41 | <whitehat> | linux should be in schools |
| 18:41 | <whitehat> | i really hate windows now |
| 18:41 | <vortex> | many of them use it |
| 18:42 | <whitehat> | not mine |
| 18:42 | <whitehat> | mine uses windows me |
| 18:42 | <sioc> | vortex: really ? ... sorry then :p |
| 18:42 | <whitehat> | windows me is horribale |
| 18:42 | <p_lip> | uh ME .... !?!?! |
| 18:42 | <sioc> | andresvia: try the dpkg -r --force-all |
| 18:42 | <vortex> | whitehat: haha yeah |
| 18:42 | <whitehat> | so I'm trying to pay them back a little hehe |
| 18:42 | <vortex> | sioc: you never want to use --force-all though, it can do some nasty stuff |
| 18:42 | <vortex> | if you have to use a --force use the specific one to your needs |
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| 18:43 | <sioc> | vortex: yeah it's the A-bomb of the dpkg |
| 18:43 | <whitehat> | i used net send * on them yesterday so funny |
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| 18:44 | <whitehat> | hey! stop scanning me |
| 18:44 | <vortex> | andresvia: are you trying to remove msttcorefonts? |
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| 18:44 | <andresvia> | vortex, yes. |
| 18:44 | <sioc> | vortex: he tries to |
| 18:44 | <whitehat> | stop scanning my ports |
| 18:44 | <whitehat> | meaines |
| 18:45 | <Supaplex> | oh noes my 127.59.128.3 is being haxored! </pandamonium> |
| 18:45 | <andresvia> | >.> |
| 18:45 | <vortex> | andresvia: andresvia try running, 'aptitude remove --purge msttcorefonts' |
| 18:45 | <whitehat> | hey i will give someone 9 bucks to hack |
| 18:45 | <vortex> | hah |
| 18:45 | <whitehat> | 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:45 | <whitehat> | lol |
| 18:45 | * | vortex slaps whitehat |
| 18:45 | <Supaplex> | whitehat: that was easy. I totally pwn 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:45 | <whitehat> | um.....hope your jokeing |
| 18:46 | <andresvia> | same thing vortex. |
| 18:46 | <vortex> | andresvia: what is the error message that its giving you? |
| 18:46 | <whitehat> | stupid school |
| 18:46 | <whitehat> | i'll shope em |
| 18:47 | <whitehat> | leaveing port 21 open hehehehehe |
| 18:47 | <themill> | whitehat: is there a specific question that we can help you with here on #debian? |
| 18:47 | <andresvia> | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -P msttcorefonts .... errors while processing msttcorefonts |
| 18:47 | <whitehat> | yes |
| 18:47 | <whitehat> | how do you install beryl? |
| 18:47 | <whitehat> | it looks really cool |
| 18:47 | <Supaplex> | !beryl |
| 18:47 | <dpkg> | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 18:48 | <themill> | !compiz |
| 18:48 | <dpkg> | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 18:48 | <whitehat> | ok |
| 18:48 | <whitehat> | also |
| 18:48 | <whitehat> | where can I get a screen recorder for linux? |
| 18:48 | <andresvia> | whitehat, install gtkrecordmydesktop |
| 18:48 | <whitehat> | apt-get install? |
| 18:48 | <vortex> | andresvia: odd |
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| 18:49 | <andresvia> | whitehat, gtk-recordmydesktop |
| 18:49 | <themill> | !info pyvnc2swf |
| 18:49 | <whitehat> | to start it or install it? |
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| 18:49 | <dpkg> | pyvnc2swf: (screen recording tool to SWF movie), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.9.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 18:49 | <sioc> | !info firewire |
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| 18:50 | <andresvia> | vortex, yeah. The package is half-configured. So it always try to finish the configuration first. |
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| 18:50 | <vortex> | andresvia: ah |
| 18:50 | <themill> | sioc: there's no package called firewire in debian... |
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| 18:50 | <vortex> | andresvia: try dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:50 | <whitehat> | wasn't there |
| 18:50 | <user> | hi |
| 18:50 | <macsim> | is there any elinks-like with javascript support ? |
| 18:50 | <sioc> | themill: i saw that, i dunno it was answering to packages |
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| 18:50 | <andresvia> | vortex, the package msttcorefonts, do you know what it does? |
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| 18:51 | <vortex> | andresvia: it is the binary installer for the microsoft core ttf fonts |
| 18:51 | <themill> | !tell sioc about dpkgbot |
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| 18:51 | <vortex> | it downloads the packages from sourceforge.net mirrors |
| 18:51 | <andresvia> | One of the fonts, is being blocked by the proxy of the campus. |
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| 18:51 | <sioc> | themill: it was just i dunno the !info trigger |
| 18:51 | <whitehat> | how do I use a proxy with my prompt? |
| 18:51 | <andresvia> | It's absurd. It's blocked by the url. |
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| 18:51 | <vortex> | andresvia: ah |
| 18:52 | <whitehat> | nope |
| 18:52 | <themill> | sioc: there are a few debian specific ones: info = package info, find = find a file, dbug = bug info, |
| 18:52 | <whitehat> | can find tose packets |
| 18:52 | <sioc> | themill: no idea for my trouble ? by the way it's the same with usb |
| 18:52 | <andresvia> | whitehat, export http_proxy=http://xyz:xxxx |
| 18:52 | <andresvia> | whitehat, export ftp_proxy=http://xyz:xxxx |
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| 18:52 | <whitehat> | yes for ftp.....legitemite reasons |
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| 18:53 | <themill> | sioc: I know nothing about firewire, sorry. |
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| 18:53 | <sioc> | themill: it's the same for usb |
| 18:53 | <whitehat> | oh wait! big problem |
| 18:54 | <themill> | sioc: specifically what devices are you playing with? the output of dmesg normally/often tells you about the devices that are created in response to plug events. |
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| 18:54 | <whitehat> | how do I use a perl script on my linux? |
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| 18:55 | <andresvia> | whitehat, start a text file with the line "#!/usr/bin/env perl" and give execution permissions. |
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| 18:55 | <blueice> | I recently switched profiles (created myself another user account and removed the other) now my system randomly freezes. If I am sitting there reading something on the screen I can't even tell until I try to move the mouse or type something. Everything just stops in place and i can't even switch to one of the other tty screens. any thoughts? |
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| 18:57 | <whitehat> | andresvia, i have no idea how to do that |
| 18:57 | <twb> | andresvia: I believe the env trampoline is discouraged by Policy |
| 18:57 | <whitehat> | ok I wrote the script |
| 18:57 | <twb> | whitehat: do you have perl installed? |
| 18:57 | <whitehat> | how do I run it? |
| 18:57 | <whitehat> | I'm not sure |
| 18:58 | <twb> | whitehat: type "perl foo.pl" and press RETurn. |
| 18:58 | <petemc> | if you;re using debian.. |
| 18:58 | <whitehat> | return? |
| 18:58 | <whitehat> | backspare is return? |
| 18:58 | <vortex> | whitehat: enter == return |
| 18:58 | <whitehat> | k |
| 18:58 | <themill> | !any key |
| 18:58 | <dpkg> | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Userfriendly.20030128.gif |
| 18:59 | <whitehat> | how do I open root terminal from terninal so I can be lazy? |
| 18:59 | <andresvia> | I give up with (apt-dpkg) commands i will edit manually /var/lib/dpkg/status. |
| 18:59 | <whitehat> | i always get an error |
| 18:59 | <whitehat> | when trying to run the perl script |
| 18:59 | <whitehat> | i do hav perl installed |
| 18:59 | <twb> | andresvia: you're trying to install msttcorefonts? |
| 19:00 | <andresvia> | twb, not exactly. |
| 19:00 | <andresvia> | Well I was trying. |
| 19:00 | <twb> | whitehat: have you tried reading and understanding the error? |
| 19:00 | <whitehat> | well, I don't undestand it |
| 19:00 | <twb> | andresvia: but a transparent proxy is rejecting on of the URLs, right? |
| 19:00 | <twb> | *one |
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| 19:00 | <andresvia> | twb, right. |
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| 19:00 | <whitehat> | well, never mind it |
| 19:01 | <whitehat> | how do i uninstall a game or something? |
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| 19:01 | <themill> | !tell whitehat about grounding |
| 19:01 | <twb> | andresvia: ok, what I would edit is /var/lib/dpkg/info/msttcorefonts.postinst (or preinst) |
| 19:01 | <twb> | andresvia: that's the code that's failing and leaving the package in an "installed but not configured" state |
| 19:01 | <whitehat> | grounding? |
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| 19:01 | <twb> | whitehat: look at dpkg's private message. |
| 19:01 | <andresvia> | twb, ok. |
| 19:02 | <whitehat> | oh ok |
| 19:02 | <whitehat> | oh ok |
| 19:02 | <whitehat> | so dpkg is a bot |
| 19:02 | <twb> | whitehat: we know. |
| 19:02 | <whitehat> | i know |
| 19:02 | <whitehat> | i know that ya know |
| 19:03 | <themill> | dpkg: bot |
| 19:03 | <dpkg> | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:03 | <whitehat> | lol |
| 19:03 | <whitehat> | so uninstalling? |
| 19:03 | <whitehat> | apt-get uninstall? |
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| 19:04 | <vortex> | apt-get remvoe |
| 19:04 | <vortex> | *remove |
| 19:04 | <twb> | whitehat: apt-get remove foo |
| 19:04 | <whitehat> | ok |
| 19:04 | <whitehat> | i probaly shoulda got ubunto |
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| 19:05 | <whitehat> | crap |
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| 19:05 | <whitehat> | still there |
| 19:05 | <whitehat> | there is blackjack on here and I won't it off |
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| 19:06 | <twb> | whitehat: certainly you'll feel more at home with #ubuntu |
| 19:06 | <whitehat> | probaly |
| 19:06 | <andresvia> | Ok. Bye bye. |
| 19:06 | <whitehat> | but neverless to late know |
| 19:06 | <twb> | They're more receptive to simple questions from obtuse new users. |
| 19:06 | <whitehat> | :( |
| 19:06 | <twb> | whitehat: you could always got to #ubuntu and not tell them that you're using Debian. |
| 19:06 | <andresvia> | LOL. |
| 19:06 | <twb> | Ubuntu users do the converse here all the time :-/ |
| 19:06 | <whitehat> | lol |
| 19:07 | <snogglethorpe> | twb: ever time I post a question to #debina, I get flamed... :-( |
| 19:07 | <snogglethorpe> | twb: ok, once I didn't |
| 19:07 | <whitehat> | the only thing I don't like about this is no package manager |
| 19:07 | <andresvia> | Well bye bye. |
| 19:07 | <snogglethorpe> | twb: I think it was a slow time... |
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| 19:07 | <twb> | whitehat: you can always use a GUI like synaptic |
| 19:08 | <whitehat> | nah, i'm sick of guis so I guess i'll stay |
| 19:08 | <whitehat> | i hade a windows vista laptop with onlly 1 gb ram so.... |
| 19:08 | <whitehat> | bad experience |
| 19:09 | <whitehat> | thanks guys |
| 19:09 | <whitehat> | anymore suggestions for games? |
| 19:10 | <whitehat> | goodbye |
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| 19:12 | <twb> | Why are kernels on lenny/sid still built with gcc 4.1 when the standard is 4.2/3? |
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| 19:13 | <azeem> | twb: because linux-2.6 explicitely build-depends on 4.1 |
| 19:14 | <engywuck> | i think there was some incompatibility between newer gcc and kernel |
| 19:14 | <azeem> | that was gcc-4.3 |
| 19:15 | <engywuck> | that's also the reason you an't complite kernel with other compilers, like the one from intel |
| 19:15 | <twb> | Typical bloody kernel people |
| 19:15 | <azeem> | but that's not about building the kernel with 4.3, it's about using the kernel with 4.3 |
| 19:15 | <twb> | Fucking cowboys |
| 19:15 | <azeem> | twb: watch your language |
| 19:15 | <twb> | Sorry. |
| 19:15 | <engywuck> | well, kernel people use all evil ways to make it work as good as possible |
| 19:15 | <engywuck> | that's not always compliant to new gcc versions :) |
| 19:16 | <twb> | "as good as possible" or "not at all" :-/ |
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| 19:30 | <sioc> | gtg |
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| 20:03 | <kernfreak> | quick question, im sure it's something simple, when i drag an icon around on the desktop it shows a white backround, instead of transparency, could it be i configured x wrong |
| 20:03 | <kernfreak> | ? |
| 20:05 | <hw> | I would say : unlikely ! |
| 20:05 | <hw> | which desktop environment are you using ? |
| 20:06 | <kernfreak> | gnome |
| 20:06 | <kernfreak> | im on etch |
| 20:06 | <hw> | mm i have no idea what could be wrong.. |
| 20:07 | <abrotman> | kernfreak: that's normal |
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| 20:07 | <kernfreak> | never happened b4 "ever" rather annoying |
| 20:08 | <themill> | doesn't happen here (kde under etch) |
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| 20:08 | <squid> | hi @ all |
| 20:09 | <squid> | anyone knows how to mount an Image ??? |
| 20:09 | <twb> | squid: yes. |
| 20:10 | <hw> | squid, # mount cdimage.iso /mnt -o loop ? |
| 20:10 | <lontra> | twb: you're helpful |
| 20:10 | <squid> | xD |
| 20:10 | <twb> | lontra: nah; if I was helpful I'd link to the HOWTO Ask Smart Questions |
| 20:11 | <hw> | :) |
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| 20:11 | <twb> | Maybe dpkg should auto-respond with that if someone joins, speaks, and then nobody replies in the first minute :P |
| 20:12 | <themill> | hmmm.... not a bad idea.... |
| 20:13 | <themill> | twb: while you're at it, can you get it to autokick trolls and make people read /topic? and perhaps do a version request on the machine and kick people with ubuntu kernel versions.... |
| 20:13 | <twb> | Good idea. |
| 20:13 | <twb> | And kick people who join as root |
| 20:14 | <twb> | And we could replace the associative memory with a single !DWIM entry |
| 20:14 | <themill> | hey nice... |
| 20:14 | <themill> | (root idents already are devoiced) |
| 20:15 | <dondelelcaro> | they already get told that they're root |
| 20:16 | <dondelelcaro> | or at least, they get told in theory |
| 20:16 | <themill> | do they? by dpkg? |
| 20:16 | <dondelelcaro> | yes |
| 20:16 | <kernfreak> | lol !ubuntboot |
| 20:16 | <twb> | I couldn't remember which channel did that. |
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| 20:16 | <themill> | dondelelcaro: didn't know that.... I generally do a !tell when I see them come in (or some time after). |
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| 20:18 | <lontra> | dondelelcaro: thanks for recommending latex to do stats in the other day. it makes my formulas and text look 100 fold better than oo.org |
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| 20:19 | <twb> | That's because LaTeX tries (with modest success) to separate the manuscript writing (done by a human) from the typesetting (done by algorithms honed over decades). |
| 20:19 | <themill> | lontra: there's also an oolatex package around (not in debian though) that helps put latex typeset formulae into oo.org docs and presentations. |
| 20:20 | <twb> | Incidentally, you can export ODF to LaTeX, but I doubt it looks any good |
| 20:20 | <themill> | lontra: it's not as good as latex on its own, but it can help |
| 20:20 | <fld|el> | I was using Kubuntu and when I opened an image in Konqueror I could browse through all images in that folder in numerical order by pressing spacebar. Now I am using Debian and I want that feature back. |
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| 20:21 | <dondelelcaro> | lontra: yeah, latex is pretty much the way to go for everything |
| 20:22 | <dondelelcaro> | lontra: about the only thing I don't do in it anymore is stuff where I absolutely must work with collaborators who cannot grok it. |
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| 20:22 | <themill> | dondelelcaro: which unfortunately can be fairly common ;( What do you do in that case> |
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| 20:23 | <dondelelcaro> | themill: generally I just send them pdfs and the tex file and tell them to just change the text in any old way and remerge myself |
| 20:23 | <Supaplex> | !lart http://rafb.net/p/UWBFvg42.html |
| 20:23 | * | dpkg decapitates http://rafb.net/p/UWBFvg42.html conan the destroyer style |
| 20:23 | <lontra> | fld|el: you might have better luck with that question in #kde or irc.freenode.net as it's probably a straight forward kde question |
| 20:23 | <themill> | dondelelcaro: yeah... I've tried that... I got back a word doc with latex markup in it ;( |
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| 20:24 | <dondelelcaro> | themill: that's fine; I just run it through antiword, and it's good enough |
| 20:24 | <dondelelcaro> | themill: if they *have* to work in word, I turn on the change tracking and send them a doc with just the latex source in it |
| 20:24 | <themill> | that implies having a copy of Word around to turn on change tracking... |
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| 20:25 | <dondelelcaro> | themill: oo.org will turn it on just fine |
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| 20:25 | <lontra> | oh antiword sounds pretty nice |
| 20:25 | <themill> | dondelelcaro: I thought ooo's change tracking was a rather different beast to words. (certainly used to be... not tried recently) |
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| 20:26 | <twb> | antiword beats wv |
| 20:26 | <dondelelcaro> | themill: not in my experience |
| 20:26 | <ZeuZ> | !dpkg antiword |
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| 20:26 | <lontra> | wv? |
| 20:26 | <squid> | how i can mount an IMAGE like "freeman.img" |
| 20:26 | <twb> | themill: I hate the version control in OO.org, because it's totally different to everything else. IMO it's better to use pre/post commit hooks in e.g. svn to unzip/zip the ODF file. |
| 20:27 | <themill> | dondelelcaro: nice... I'm probably going back to v1 here. |
| 20:27 | <SeveredCross> | squid: If it's formatted correctly, mount will do it. |
| 20:27 | <SeveredCross> | mount -o loop /path/to/freeman.img /media/freeman |
| 20:27 | <SeveredCross> | Make sure you mkdir /media/freeman first. |
| 20:27 | <ZeuZ> | what the hell is antiword? |
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| 20:27 | <themill> | twb: we're talking change tracking not version control (and ODF is a zip file anyway so there's no point in zipping it) but I see where you're headed. |
| 20:27 | <themill> | !info antiword |
| 20:27 | <dpkg> | antiword: (Converts MS Word files to text and ps), section text, is optional. Version: 0.37-2 (sid), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 756 kB |
| 20:27 | <lontra> | ZeuZ: apt-cache search antiword |
| 20:28 | <twb> | themill: you unzip it so that the proper SCM can see the XML files, rather than a horrible binary blob |
| 20:28 | <twb> | themill: as part of the pre-commit hook, so it happens without the user having to do it manually. |
| 20:28 | <themill> | twb: ahh... sorry. I figured you were zipping it before putting it into the repo. Makes much more sense ;) |
| 20:29 | <squid> | i have an ERROR ->"mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
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| 20:29 | <themill> | right....laptop battery almost dead => time for bed. Night all! |
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| 20:30 | <twb> | themill: the point is that then you get proper version control -- including "complex" stuff like distributivity and proper merging. |
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| 20:30 | <twb> | Whereas OO.org's built-in stuff is about as featureful as RCS |
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| 20:30 | <twb> | But file-format-specific. |
| 20:31 | <twb> | ...sorry, I'm ranting off-topic. |
| 20:31 | <dondelelcaro> | yeah, I don't particularly like it myself, but some collaborators are stupid |
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| 20:31 | <twb> | dondelelcaro: EVERYONE's stupid, just about different things :-) |
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| 20:32 | <dondelelcaro> | twb: some people are just better at hiding that fact |
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| 20:53 | <squid> | i have an ERROR ->"mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
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| 20:53 | <squid> | but i allready habe type "-o loop" |
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| 20:54 | <hazard2> | isn't it -t loop? |
| 20:54 | <hazard2> | or, no, I think its -t isofs (if you're mounting an image) |
| 20:54 | <hazard2> | or maybe -t auto will work |
| 20:54 | <squid> | nope i've allready try ^^^ |
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| 20:54 | <squid> | ah mom |
| 20:54 | <hazard2> | ???!!! |
| 20:55 | <squid> | no isnt working |
| 20:55 | <squid> | T-T |
| 20:55 | <hazard2> | what are you trying to mount? |
| 20:55 | <squid> | an IMG |
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| 20:56 | <kernfreak> | omg these white "squares" lol call me obsessive, everytime i drag an icon its like im ramming nails into my eyes |
| 20:56 | <amphi> | squid: what does 'file image_name' say? |
| 20:56 | <squid> | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:57 | <hazard2> | 'mount -t iso90660 -o loop filename.iso /mountpoint/someplace/which/is/really/just/a/folder |
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| 20:57 | <hazard2> | errr |
| 20:57 | <hazard2> | iso9660 |
| 20:57 | <hazard2> | soz |
| 20:57 | <kernfreak> | lol |
| 20:58 | <squid> | hazard2: |
| 20:58 | <squid> | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 20:58 | <squid> | missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 20:58 | <squid> | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try |
| 20:58 | <squid>dmesg | tail or so |
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| 21:04 | <qq> | 'losetup freeman.img /dev/loop0 ' than 'mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/freeman' |
| 21:04 | <qq> | as root |
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| 21:07 | <squid> | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 21:07 | <squid> | i have the same error |
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| 21:08 | <hazard2> | I dunno |
| 21:08 | <hazard2> | maybe the image is damaged |
| 21:08 | <squid> | maybe ??^^ |
| 21:08 | <amphi> | squid: did you try 'file freeman.img' ? |
| 21:08 | <squid> | but i dont think so |
| 21:09 | <squid> | what do you mean ? |
| 21:09 | <squid> | amphi ? |
| 21:09 | <amphi> | squid: run that command |
| 21:09 | <amphi> | if it answers 'data', it's corrupt or who knows what |
| 21:10 | <amphi> | it should say "ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data" |
| 21:10 | <squid> | freeman.img: data |
| 21:10 | <SeveredCross> | Okay, then you can't mount it. |
| 21:10 | <squid> | its an img of an CD |
| 21:11 | <SeveredCross> | Not in ISO9660 format though, so Linux doesn't know it. |
| 21:11 | <squid> | with deamon tools it works |
| 21:11 | <squid> | how i can do that it runs ?? |
| 21:11 | <SeveredCross> | Daemon Tools != Linux. |
| 21:11 | <squid> | yea i know |
| 21:11 | <amphi> | it's not any filesystem that file(1) knows |
| 21:12 | <squid> | so i cant mount it ? |
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| 21:12 | <amphi> | it would appear not |
| 21:12 | <amphi> | what does this 'daemon tools' say it is? |
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| 21:13 | <squid> | what do you mean with SAY? |
| 21:13 | <squid> | filetype ? |
| 21:13 | <squid> | or what ? |
| 21:14 | <keith> | Debian4.0. How can I find out if NVIDIA 7600GT is Linux compatible? |
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| 21:15 | <squid> | look @ nvidia.com |
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| 21:16 | <qq> | squid: freeman.img come from ? |
| 21:17 | <gsimmons> | !tell keith -about nvidia |
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| 21:18 | <Entheogen> | guys, i cannot access shared files over my wireless network |
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| 21:19 | <Entheogen> | although i can connect other pc-s to my laptop which has debian, and is gateway |
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| 21:23 | <qq> | squid: ? |
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| 21:28 | <squid> | an cd |
| 21:29 | <qq> | like knoppix |
| 21:29 | <qq> | ? |
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| 21:36 | <whitehat> | hello |
| 21:37 | <whitehat> | someone please help real quick |
| 21:37 | <whitehat> | how to I instal a .deb file? |
| 21:37 | <octal> | whitehat, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 21:37 | <gsimmons> | squid: You'll need to determine exactly what image format your file is in, then convert this to an ISO image for your use. The 'nrg2iso' package can assist (with a caveat regarding track-at-once) if produced by the Nero Burning ROM application. |
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| 21:49 | <squid> | thx for the tip |
| 21:49 | <squid> | but it doesnt work ^^ |
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| 21:51 | <SeveredCross> | Blah. |
| 21:52 | <SeveredCross> | I still can't get this G3 Mac to boot Debian. |
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| 21:53 | <qq> | squid: so CD is Nero product ? |
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| 21:55 | <qq> | SeveredCross: ? you have finished the installation ? |
| 21:55 | <SeveredCross> | qq: Yep. |
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| 21:55 | <SeveredCross> | Installed Yaboot, made sure all the files were in the right places, made sure that the bootstrap partition was blessed, etc. |
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| 21:56 | <SeveredCross> | Gives me the blinking question mark of doom, then just drops into OS X boot. |
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| 21:56 | <SeveredCross> | If I pull the OS X hard drive out, it just gives the blinking question mark of doom forever. |
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| 21:56 | <qq> | so you have two disks ? |
| 21:57 | <SeveredCross> | Three actually. :D |
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| 21:58 | <qq> | well, i never installed on two /more disk |
| 21:58 | <SeveredCross> | Hmm. |
| 21:58 | <qq> | but |
| 21:58 | <SeveredCross> | I'll have to wait until I have my Tiger CD's prepped and ready to do the install...or switch the Ubuntu disc to master, which is slightly more difficult a task. |
| 21:59 | <qq> | wait , please |
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| 22:01 | <qq> | mac won't boot a disk witch was not make bootable by mac installation CD |
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| 22:02 | <SeveredCross> | Er, yaboot/mkofboot take care of that. |
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| 22:03 | <kernfreak> | why are we still so far behind as far as gnome goes |
| 22:03 | <dondelelcaro> | kernfreak: behind where? |
| 22:03 | <dondelelcaro> | kernfreak: and if you're talking about unstable, the answer is because you're not helping. |
| 22:03 | <kernfreak> | lol no no |
| 22:03 | <kernfreak> | 2.14 |
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| 22:05 | <dondelelcaro> | kernfreak: if you're talking about the stable release, that's the version of gnome that existed when we froze. |
| 22:05 | <kernfreak> | and I doubt i could do enough by my self to get gnome 2.20 into good ole debian |
| 22:05 | <dondelelcaro> | kernfreak: and gnome 2.20 is in unstable already. |
| 22:05 | <kernfreak> | well then its me thats behind not debian |
| 22:05 | <craigevil> | Gnome Candidate: 1:2.20.2.2 |
| 22:05 | <dondelelcaro> | (portions if it are already in testing) |
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| 22:06 | * | kernfreak gets out ole vimmy and tries to speed things up |
| 22:07 | <dondelelcaro> | (or similar0 |
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| 22:07 | <kernfreak> | lol |
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| 22:09 | <kernfreak> | this gnome icon "white backround while dragging" thing is killing me |
| 22:12 | <twb> | kernfreak: please open up a terminal emulator |
| 22:13 | <twb> | kernfreak: in it, run `xprop' and click on an unused area of the desktop. |
| 22:13 | <twb> | kernfreak: what is the WM_CLASS line? |
| 22:14 | <qq> | SeveredCross Er, yaboot/mkofboot take care of that., no they look for the partition with appel_driver, and say ok, for booting; if a disk have not such partition, yaboot search for ever/tomeout |
| 22:14 | <kernfreak> | WM_CLASS(STRING) = "desktop_window", "Nautilus" |
| 22:14 | <twb> | This is good. |
| 22:14 | <twb> | Do the same for the icons |
| 22:15 | <SeveredCross> | qq: And this partition should exist, I used Debian's own installer. |
| 22:15 | <kernfreak> | same |
| 22:15 | <twb> | And you're dragging the icon across the desktop, but not over other windows? |
| 22:15 | <twb> | What is the output of glxinfo | grep direct.rendering? |
| 22:16 | <kernfreak> | right, when I drag across the desktop |
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| 22:17 | <kernfreak> | oddly enough, "glxinfo" doesnt exsist |
| 22:17 | <twb> | Install it |
| 22:17 | <qq> | SeveredCross: your debian is installed on witch partition ? |
| 22:18 | <twb> | *which |
| 22:18 | <SeveredCross> | qq: /dev/hdb3 |
| 22:18 | <kernfreak> | installed, yes to direct rendering |
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| 22:18 | <SeveredCross> | On partition /dev/hdb2 is the bootstrap that Yaboot gets stuck into. |
| 22:18 | <twb> | OK, the only thing I can think of left to check is the "backing store" property |
| 22:19 | <SeveredCross> | /dev/hdb1 is some weird Apple thing (drivers?), and /dev/hdb4 is swap. |
| 22:19 | <twb> | kernfreak: I don't remember how to check this, but look for it in the output of xprop and xwininfo after clicking on the desktop |
| 22:19 | <SeveredCross> | I think the problem might be that this isn't the primary hard drive. |
| 22:20 | <twb> | SeveredCross: have you tried booting while holding <magic letter> that scans for all bootable partitions? |
| 22:20 | <qq> | SeveredCross: thats sure |
| 22:20 | <SeveredCross> | twb: Option? |
| 22:20 | <SeveredCross> | Yes I have. |
| 22:20 | <kernfreak> | I havent had the problem b4, Ill look around |
| 22:20 | <SeveredCross> | My Mac is too old for that to work. |
| 22:20 | <SeveredCross> | :D |
| 22:20 | <twb> | It's not o (openfirmware) and it's not c (cdrom) |
| 22:21 | <twb> | If it's running OS X, it probably is new enough. |
| 22:21 | <SeveredCross> | twb: Nope, I tried. |
| 22:21 | <twb> | OK. |
| 22:22 | <kernfreak> | not even glxgears is working lol, no frame rate |
| 22:22 | <twb> | kernfreak: perhaps something else is trying to write to the root window, then |
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| 22:22 | <twb> | kernfreak: i.e. fighting nautilus for redraws |
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| 22:29 | <qq> | SeveredCross: so have you changed the jampers to make debian disk as primary , and restart ? |
| 22:30 | <qq> | s/jumpers |
| 22:30 | <SeveredCross> | qq: No, I'm currently transferring some files to the Mac. |
| 22:30 | <qq> | ok |
| 22:30 | <SeveredCross> | Also, if I do that, I need to change yaboot.conf and rerun ybin -v, because the OF paths won't be right anymore. |
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| 22:31 | <qq> | you may do this at boot time , no ? |
| 22:31 | <SeveredCross> | No, I'd have to boot into a rescue environment. |
| 22:32 | <qq> | or so |
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| 22:34 | <whitehat> | hello |
| 22:34 | <whitehat> | big problem |
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| 22:34 | <whitehat> | how do I un rar a file in linux |
| 22:34 | <abrotman> | !unrar |
| 22:34 | <dpkg> | from memory, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
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| 22:34 | <abrotman> | hardly a "big problem" :) |
| 22:35 | <whitehat> | for me it is |
| 22:35 | <whitehat> | <unrar-free> |
| 22:35 | <whitehat> | see if that works |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | !unrar-free |
| 22:35 | <dpkg> | from memory, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0). |
| 22:35 | <whitehat> | oh that helps so much |
| 22:35 | <whitehat> | lol |
| 22:36 | <abrotman> | is that sarcasm i smell ? |
| 22:36 | <SeveredCross> | No, I think that's dirt. |
| 22:36 | <abrotman> | see if 'unrar-free' package will unrar .. if not .. add non-free sources and get the other unrar |
| 22:37 | <whitehat> | the package is not there |
| 22:37 | <abrotman> | which package? |
| 22:37 | <abrotman> | which version of debian? |
| 22:37 | <whitehat> | i don't know |
| 22:38 | <whitehat> | the newest one |
| 22:38 | <whitehat> | need to get that password file |
| 22:38 | <whitehat> | unrared |
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| 22:39 | <whitehat> | ok bot how do i get unrar-free |
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| 22:39 | <whitehat> | !unrar-free |
| 22:39 | <dpkg> | [unrar-free] an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about <unrar> for 3.0). |
| 22:40 | <whitehat> | !unrar |
| 22:40 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | !tell whitehat about non-free |
| 22:40 | <whitehat> | I hate you bot |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | i'm not a bot |
| 22:41 | <whitehat> | not u |
| 22:41 | <whitehat> | !how do I install unrar free |
| 22:41 | <whitehat> | !tell abrotman hes crazy |
| 22:41 | <whitehat> | dang |
| 22:41 | <whitehat> | didn't work |
| 22:41 | <whitehat> | lol |
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| 22:42 | <abrotman> | whitehat: if you need help .. ask |
| 22:42 | <whitehat> | I need to unrar a file in linux |
| 22:42 | <abrotman> | i already told you what to do |
| 22:42 | <abrotman> | you still didn't tell me which version of debian |
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| 22:43 | <whitehat> | 4.0 |
| 22:43 | <abrotman> | so install unrar-free .. if that doesn't work, add non-free sources and isntall unrar |
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| 22:44 | <whitehat> | i can't install unrar-free it's not in there |
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| 22:44 | <SeveredCross> | Did you add contrib/ |
| 22:44 | <SeveredCross> | //=? |
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| 22:45 | <kernfreak> | fixed: for some odd reason Loading extmod fixed the problem withe the icons |
| 22:45 | <whitehat> | sweet |
| 22:45 | <whitehat> | it worked |
| 22:45 | <whitehat> | ty |
| 22:48 | <whitehat> | off to use the pass file |
| 22:48 | <whitehat> | linux rules |
| 22:48 | <whitehat> | still |
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| 22:53 | <whitehat> | lol say sex to him |
| 22:53 | <whitehat> | dpkg sex |
| 22:53 | <dpkg> | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 22:53 | <whitehat> | lol |
| 22:53 | <whitehat> | mom |
| 22:53 | <whitehat> | stupid bot |
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| 22:58 | <twb> | Next time whitehat comes back, someone remind him that there is a difference between the SPC and RET keys. |
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| 22:59 | <kernfreak> | lol |
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| 23:03 | <kernfreak> | lol, got banned from the #ubuntu |
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| 23:07 | <zarchne> | Suppose I am using etch +nonfree +debian-multimedia.org, sound output works fine with the stock kernels snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss & alsa, and I were trying to capture the audio of a youtube video. How would this normally be done? |
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| 23:10 | <twb> | zarchne: apt-get install clive youtube-dl metacafe-dl ? |
| 23:11 | <matthewpoer> | when i put a DVD in my laptop, it won't mount. dmesg gives me a variety of error, including complaining about not finding recognizable tracts |
| 23:11 | <danno> | anybody have a CLUE how to get Java into Ubuntu??? |
| 23:11 | <danno> | been at this for 6 hours |
| 23:11 | <matthewpoer> | It used to be that KDE wound find a cd/dvd, blank or otherwise, and mount (or ask me) |
| 23:12 | <matthewpoer> | danno - aptitude install sun-java6-plugin and/or sun-java6-jdk |
| 23:12 | <twb> | !tell danno about ubuntu |
| 23:12 | <danno> | my first day of Linux,..lol |
| 23:12 | <matthewpoer> | it's in the debian repos, at least. |
| 23:12 | <twb> | matthewpoer: that information is not correct for Ubuntu |
| 23:12 | <danno> | managed to get ubuntu on this macxhine,.but Java based games won't go |
| 23:12 | <matthewpoer> | anyway, ask irc.freenode.org/#ubuntu before you get fussed at ;) |
| 23:13 | <matthewpoer> | does ubuntu not have java in its repos? |
| 23:13 | <twb> | matthewpoer: they have their own method for installing RestrictedFormats packages |
| 23:13 | <danno> | my first DAY at anything LINUX,..lol |
| 23:13 | <danno> | an XP user,.lol |
| 23:13 | <kernfreak> | why does ppl using ubuntu come to #debian |
| 23:13 | <twb> | danno: this is not the appropriate forum for discussing Ubuntu |
| 23:13 | <danno> | oh,.just found this in a menu,..lol |
| 23:13 | <matthewpoer> | maybe they need to update some of their irc packages to go to their irc channels? |
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| 23:14 | <danno> | said "irc" and this popped up,..lol |
| 23:14 | <twb> | kernfreak: I guess it must be like how OS X advertises itself as "not sucking because it's UNIX underneath!!1!" -- people think the same for s/OS X/Ubuntu/;s/UNIX/Debian/ and decide to annoy us. |
| 23:14 | <kernfreak> | lol |
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| 23:15 | <matthewpoer> | well, for quite a while ubuntu was almost completely debian. It seems to me that they have broken farther and farther away from debian with each release, though. |
| 23:16 | <matthewpoer> | I haven't run any ubuntu in a while... though I'm wanting to try that gOS |
| 23:16 | <kernfreak> | goto a ubuntu channel and tell someone to rtfm |
| 23:16 | <kernfreak> | or say "compile from src" |
| 23:16 | <kernfreak> | I got banned |
| 23:16 | <twb> | kernfreak: we aren't interested in hearing about Ubuntu here. |
| 23:16 | <twb> | Let's stay on-topic, please. |
| 23:16 | <gnotett> | can "last" command display user's mac address? |
| 23:17 | <twb> | I doubt it. |
| 23:17 | <matthewpoer> | okay. sorry. on-topic question: why can't I mount my blank dvd and burn an ISO? |
| 23:17 | <twb> | matthewpoer: mounting a filesystem requires there to be a filesystem to mount. |
| 23:17 | <kernfreak> | you are correct, sorry , |
| 23:17 | <luca> | unless the machine is on the same subnet, you won't see the machine's mac address |
| 23:17 | <twb> | matthewpoer: blank media have no filesystems. |
| 23:17 | <matthewpoer> | http://paste.debian.net/50916 |
| 23:18 | <matthewpoer> | so what's that dmesg mess about? |
| 23:18 | <luca> | gnotett: use 'last' and 'arp' if the machine is on the same subnet |
| 23:18 | <alaya> | you cannot mount anything that doesn't have a filesystem |
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| 23:19 | <matthewpoer> | okay. so I just stick the disc in an open k3b? |
| 23:19 | <alaya> | matthewpoer: that usually works |
| 23:19 | <matthewpoer> | it's just that I know something is wrong... KDE used to detect blank media and ask me if i wanted to burn something... |
| 23:19 | <matthewpoer> | i'll try again, though |
| 23:19 | <alaya> | matthewpoer: prolly its just the automounter complaining, which is normal for blank media |
| 23:20 | <twb> | matthewpoer: I'm not familiar with KDE. |
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| 23:21 | <matthewpoer> | twb, what app do you use to burn ISO? xcdroast? |
| 23:21 | <matthewpoer> | or is there a CLI app? |
| 23:22 | <gnotett> | luca: I have a classroom with 50 PCs. and the administrator of that classroom now using dhcp. So when my students connect to my server, I can only see the dhcp server's ip address. Is there any way to log individual pc message? |
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| 23:22 | <kernfreak> | one simple question, has anyone got XGL and compiz to work in etch? as long as I know someone has done it, ill figure it out |
| 23:22 | <luca> | gnotett: i take it that the dhcp server is also the NAT gateway box for the classroom? |
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| 23:23 | <twb> | matthewpoer: wodim. |
| 23:23 | <luca> | gnotett: which would explain why everything looks like it comes from that one box |
| 23:23 | <matthewpoer> | kerfreak, nope! i tried for weeks! |
| 23:23 | <matthewpoer> | (worked on ubuntu though. also: knoppix dvd) |
| 23:23 | <twb> | gnotett: do you have control over the student machines? |
| 23:23 | <gnotett> | twb: no |
| 23:23 | <twb> | Ah, that makes things harder. |
| 23:24 | * | luca waits paitently |
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| 23:26 | <kernfreak> | oh well , didnt really need all that bling anyway |
| 23:27 | <matthewpoer> | kernfreak - it is really cool - almost worth upgrading to lenny/sid and trying again |
| 23:27 | <matthewpoer> | except my thinkpad t21's savage card is just not supported |
| 23:27 | <kernfreak> | naa, I have had it before |
| 23:27 | <luca> | gnotett: assuming the dhcp server is also that NAT gateway for the classroom, no; if you could get access to the dhcpd logs, then you could map to the individual pc; if the gateway machine is a linux box, you could configure syslog to pipe the dhcpd log entries to your server |
| 23:28 | <kernfreak> | Im not really a "mouse productive person" |
| 23:28 | <twb> | kernfreak: good for you. |
| 23:28 | <twb> | I don't even have a mouse! |
| 23:28 | <kernfreak> | lol |
| 23:28 | <kernfreak> | <--big vimmer |
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| 23:28 | <kernfreak> | "no flame wars" |
| 23:28 | <kernfreak> | lol |
| 23:29 | <matthewpoer> | no mouse - do you run x.org? |
| 23:29 | <kernfreak> | yes |
| 23:29 | <matthewpoer> | what wm? |
| 23:29 | <twb> | matthewpoer: yes, to get smaller fonts |
| 23:29 | * | matthewpoer is now quite curious |
| 23:29 | <twb> | Ratpoison. |
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| 23:29 | <kernfreak> | <--mostly does flux |
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| 23:30 | <matthewpoer> | oh, I like flux. But KDE won me over when I upgrade to a bit faster laptop |
| 23:30 | <kernfreak> | i never liked KDE |
| 23:30 | <kernfreak> | I tried to lke it |
| 23:30 | <kernfreak> | like* |
| 23:30 | <kernfreak> | just couldnt |
| 23:31 | <matthewpoer> | I went between flux, gnome, kde for a while, with various browser and MUA as well. |
| 23:31 | <matthewpoer> | I settled in KDE because all the apps are highly functional and integrate well |
| 23:31 | <matthewpoer> | mostly, anyway. |
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| 23:32 | <twb> | I use Emacs as my desktop environment. |
| 23:33 | <twb> | IME it has better integration than GNOME; I haven't used KDE seriously for many years. |
| 23:33 | <kernfreak> | :) emacs is nice to |
| 23:33 | <matthewpoer> | i tried to use emacs a while ago. too much learning curve for me, for now. |
| 23:33 | <kernfreak> | <--cant get used to the keys in emacs |
| 23:33 | <luca> | too bad emacs can't help spell correctly |
| 23:33 | <luca> | +you |
| 23:33 | <twb> | luca: M-x flyspell mode RET |
| 23:33 | <luca> | doesn't help with grammer, either |
| 23:34 | <matthewpoer> | luca, you use..? |
| 23:34 | <twb> | I don't know about grammar. |
| 23:34 | <kernfreak> | vim can do all of that , as well as emacs |
| 23:34 | <luca> | i was joking about kernfreak's use of to rather than too |
| 23:34 | <luca> | matthewpoer: the One True Editor |
| 23:34 | <kernfreak> | but you should know grammar |
| 23:34 | <twb> | kernfreak: last time I checked vim's IRC clients and web browsers weren't very good. |
| 23:34 | <kernfreak> | they arent |
| 23:34 | <luca> | and the grammer joke was on me since i forgot 'you' |
| 23:34 | <luca> | matthewpoer: vim |
| 23:34 | <kernfreak> | lol |
| 23:34 | <matthewpoer> | does emacs have a web browser? |
| 23:34 | <twb> | matthewpoer: it has two. |
| 23:34 | <kernfreak> | yes |
| 23:35 | <matthewpoer> | lmao |
| 23:35 | <dondelelcaro> | there's not much that emacs doesn't have |
| 23:35 | <matthewpoer> | i can use links and lynx - is it similar? or more fully-featured? |
| 23:35 | <twb> | Emacs doesn't have lexical scoping or threads. |
| 23:35 | * | luca thinks we should reimplemented the linux kernel with emacs |
| 23:35 | <twb> | matthewpoer: well, w3m-el has tabs and inline images... |
| 23:36 | <dondelelcaro> | twb: I don't know enough about elisp to argue the first, but the second is a long standing issue |
| 23:36 | <kernfreak> | I use VIM for programming, to me, knowing the keys, it is better, |
| 23:36 | <twb> | dondelelcaro: the two are tightly interrelated |
| 23:36 | <dondelelcaro> | twb: you don't need lexical variables to do threads, though it helps. |
| 23:36 | <kernfreak> | to those knowing emacs its prob the same |
| 23:36 | <matthewpoer> | I recently found SciTE. I like it, GTK+ text editor and such |
| 23:36 | <matthewpoer> | has anyone used it? |
| 23:37 | <twb> | dondelelcaro: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/NoThreading |
| 23:37 | <zarchne> | emacs doesn't have a good replacement for %, strangely enough. |
| 23:37 | <twb> | zarchne: you mean that you don't know of one. |
| 23:37 | <matthewpoer> | (and I know everyone has already seen this, right: http://humorix.org/articles/2006/06/hurd/) |
| 23:37 | <hexmode> | zarchne: you mean M-% ? |
| 23:37 | <gnotett> | luca: thanks.... I'll contact to the administrator of that classroom and try..... |
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| 23:39 | <zarchne> | hexmode: M-% seems to invoke query-replace ? |
| 23:39 | <dondelelcaro> | twb: right, he's saying exactly what I said |
| 23:39 | <twb> | zarchne: what does % do, in your universe? |
| 23:39 | <twb> | dondelelcaro: fair enough. |
| 23:39 | <dondelelcaro> | twb: though far more accurately |
| 23:39 | <zarchne> | twb: in vi, moves the cursor to the matching paren. |
| 23:40 | <twb> | C-M-f runs the command forward-sexp |
| 23:40 | <twb> | C-M-b, C-M-a, C-M-e, C-M-u, C-M-d, C-M-p, C-M-n |
| 23:40 | <zarchne> | twb: yeah, but it's not the same. |
| 23:41 | <twb> | If you say so. |
| 23:41 | <kernfreak> | emacs is a good os, too bad it doesnt do a very good job at editing |
| 23:41 | <kernfreak> | lol j/k |
| 23:41 | <kernfreak> | very old joke |
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| 23:42 | <matthewpoer> | okay, so I know there is a bunch of stuff in emacs, but surely it can't have everything |
| 23:42 | <matthewpoer> | images viewing/sorting? audio playback - video playback? |
| 23:42 | <twb> | Well, it only has PDF support in CVS |
| 23:42 | <zarchne> | M-x butterflies |
| 23:43 | * | matthewpoer reads xkcd, too |
| 23:43 | <twb> | It has two playlist managers -- emms and bongo -- that can handle audio and video. |
| 23:43 | <kernfreak> | for programming, I prefer VIM, i work better there, more productive, i dont use it for anything else really |
| 23:43 | <kernfreak> | emacs is an amaizing peice of software |
| 23:43 | <twb> | On Freenode, /msg fsbot salespitch |
| 23:44 | <kernfreak> | though I never got the chance to exploit it |
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| 23:44 | <twb> | kernfreak: exploit! You're just trying to keep the software DOWN, man! |
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| 23:45 | * | twb calls the unions |
| 23:45 | <kernfreak> | lol I mean, use it to it's full potential |
| 23:46 | <matthewpoer> | So how long should i expect to take learning emacs? |
| 23:46 | <kernfreak> | hehe |
| 23:46 | <kernfreak> | you are mostly mouse oriented |
| 23:46 | <kernfreak> | a while |
| 23:46 | <matthewpoer> | I don't have the mem for KDE4, so I have to switch to something, I suppose |
| 23:47 | <twb> | matthewpoer: you never stop learning Emacs |
| 23:47 | <kernfreak> | to be really productive in an editor like Emacs, or VIM, you need to learn to ditch the mouse, almost making the keyboard an extension of your body |
| 23:47 | <matthewpoer> | lol. okay, understood. but I should be browsing and playing and chatting and mailing in under a week, right? |
| 23:47 | <twb> | How much RAM does KDE4 need? |
| 23:48 | <matthewpoer> | more than I got |
| 23:48 | <twb> | kernfreak: well, certainly that would HELP |
| 23:48 | <SeveredCross> | :D |
| 23:48 | <twb> | kernfreak: there are weirdos you use menus and toolbars and speedbar and stuff |
| 23:48 | <kernfreak> | they might as well use gedit |
| 23:48 | <matthewpoer> | I'm good on the keyboard. I can handle myself in CLI and such, but I like having mouse support available. esp for the wife |
| 23:48 | <kernfreak> | i "USE" the mouse |
| 23:49 | <kernfreak> | not for editing though |
| 23:49 | <twb> | matthewpoer: Emacs supports, but does not enforce, mouse usage. |
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| 23:49 | <zarchne> | matthewpoer: You're trying to get your wife to use Emacs? I thought I was doing well with my daughter. |
| 23:49 | <twb> | (Even in xterms!) |
| 23:49 | <matthewpoer> | no, no. I doubt that would happen |
| 23:49 | * | zarchne grins. |
| 23:50 | <matthewpoer> | "I just want to check my gmail!!" she'll say when I tell her to type a series of commands and hotkeys for a browser... |
| 23:50 | <matthewpoer> | oh yeah: what about javascript in the emacs browsers? |
| 23:50 | <kernfreak> | i know ppl that use Vim in ways that almost look magical, the same goes with emacs, but they never touch the mouse |
| 23:50 | <zarchne> | Any happy Xfce users here? |
| 23:50 | <matthewpoer> | I was a very unhappy xfce user |
| 23:51 | <zarchne> | ah. |
| 23:51 | <matthewpoer> | even after thunder hit stable |
| 23:51 | <twb> | You can use XFCE apps without the whole XFCE desktop |
| 23:51 | <twb> | And it's "thunar". |
| 23:52 | <matthewpoer> | type - sorry |
| 23:52 | <matthewpoer> | *typo |
| 23:52 | <matthewpoer> | bah. i have dishes to wash.. |
| 23:53 | <zarchne> | I haven't touched it, but I've been tempted to try it out on this K6-III 500MHz w/128M I've been using mainly as an X terminal (since it's running Gnome but I don't actually try to run any Gnome software on it). |
| 23:53 | <twb> | matthewpoer: w3m-el does not implement CSS or javascript or flash or java, because those "features" are invariably abused to waste bandwidth and user time. (Also, it's a character-cell display and nobody who implements those features ever tests them on a character cell display.) |
| 23:53 | <twb> | matthewpoer: if you find such a broken website, you can tap M to launch a "fat" browser on the same URL (e.g. netsurf or midori). |
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| 23:54 | <matthewpoer> | ty twb |
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| 23:55 | <matthewpoer> | zarchne, i have a similar situation - an old machine that sits relatively useless. I'm going to try gOS on it (w/ the enlightenment 17). |
| 23:55 | <matthewpoer> | If that sucks, I'll stick with fluxbox |
| 23:56 | <zarchne> | matthewpoer: Do you have another decent linux machine? |
| 23:57 | <matthewpoer> | i have 3 - laptop w/ etch, newish desktop with etch/xp dual, old desktop with lenny/sid/fluxbox |
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| 23:58 | <zarchne> | matthewpoer: how much ram in the newish desktop? |
| 23:58 | <zarchne> | not to distract you from dishes. |
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| 23:59 | <matthewpoer> | 512mb with a 3ghz P4. It's a 3-year-old VAIO desktop. |
| 23:59 | <matthewpoer> | and btw |
| 23:59 | <matthewpoer> | don't buy Sony VAIO desktops |
| 23:59 | <kernfreak> | yea no doubt |
| 23:59 | <kernfreak> | i hate em |
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