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---Logopened Tue Mar 11 00:00:03 2008
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00:00<zarchne>matthewpoer: Can you add ram?
00:00<zarchne>Or is that part of the problem?
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00:01<matthewpoer>I could. not worth it - i use the laptop mostly.
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00:02<matthewpoer>the laptop is an IBM THinkpad T21, with 800mhz P3 and 256mb RAM.
00:02<matthewpoer>I ordered more RAM for myself for xmas. Two 256 sticks. Both were DOA
00:02<matthewpoer>$50 flushed.
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00:02*zarchne nods.
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00:03<zarchne>Anyway, I think setting up old computers as X terminals (not xterms, X servers) is cool.
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00:04<matthewpoer>anyway. dishes are done and the kitchen is clean - so its bedtime in EST.
00:04<zarchne>It may just be me.
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00:05<matthewpoer>zarchne: i agree, and learned about it a lot
00:05<matthewpoer>and this
00:05<matthewpoer>gtg guys
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00:05<twb>Sounds egotistical
00:05<whitehat>I need some help
00:05<gsimmons>!tell whitehat -about enter
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00:07<whitehat>Hello, I need some help. there are a lot of programs I download that are for linux but in .exe format how do I run these? something about chmod or something like that
00:08<whitehat>./name.exe just like that?
00:08<whitehat>chmod .name.exe?
00:09<twb>whitehat: no program "for linux" ends in .exe
00:09<whitehat>yes it does
00:09<twb>You have probably downloaded the Windows version of a package that is available for both Windows and GNU/Linux.
00:09<whitehat>look at the page and see download for linux .exe
00:09<twb>Oh, I suppose it's possible you're using some evil C# shite
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00:10<whitehat>c# is cool
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00:10<twb>C# is about as cool as BASIC.
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00:10<RIVE>Hello. good evenning.
00:10<whitehat>actually as a game desginer we have to write in c++
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00:11<whitehat>but the gameing industry is now winging over to c#
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00:11<kernfreak>hehe c#
00:11<Guest917>IT WORKS THANKS MAN
00:11<twb>That's because the gaming industry are tied to the underlying engines, which are all -- foolishly -- implemented in C++.
00:11<whitehat>It actually does work better then c++ in my opioion
00:11<kernfreak>games in c# makes no sense to me
00:12<whitehat>yes, but c++ is the best language for games
00:12<twb>That's not surprising given that C++ is a laughable attempt to backport the features of Simula to C.
00:12<SeveredCross>What's wrong with C#?w
00:12<kernfreak>for gaming
00:12<kernfreak>for 1
00:12<SeveredCross>I'll admit it's probably not a great gaming language, but what's worng with it otherwise.
00:13<whitehat>While I agree with you there twb, the problem is c has problems with visual and guess what? when gameing you kinda have to see
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00:13<dondelelcaro>there's nothing intrinsic with C that causes problems with games
00:13<kernfreak>visual, im a devout c programmer, what do you mean visual
00:13<twb>kernfreak: I think he's assuming "games" = "opengl games"
00:14<dondelelcaro>but in any case, comparative languages really aren't on topic here
00:14<whitehat>grrr, we have problems makeing games in c
00:14<twb>dondelelcaro: yeah, sorry.
00:14<whitehat>or sorry
00:14<whitehat>oh sorry i meant
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00:15<twb>whitehat: regarding your earlier question, try apt-get install boinc-manager boinc-client boinc-app-seti
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00:35<whitehat>hello,sorry to ask agaiin but please tell me how to install a .deb file
00:35<whitehat>does anyone know how?
00:36<luca>apt-get install vim
00:36<luca>dpkg -i vim.deb
00:36*dpkg installs vim.deb into luca's head with a bone saw and a few screws
00:36<whitehat>thank you
00:36<luca>vim is a text editor; i'm pretending you want to install it
00:36<whitehat>is it anygood?
00:37<whitehat>ok ill try it
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00:37<luca>kernfreak: tell us how you really feel
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00:37<kernfreak>i cant
00:38*kernfreak flames with passion
00:38<whitehat>how do i go into vim now?
00:39<kernfreak>type vim at a consol
00:39<whitehat>it's ok
00:39<kernfreak>you may wanna run vimtutor first
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00:42<whitehat>i hope this works
00:42<whitehat>processing the nessus plugins w00t!
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00:43<whitehat>This thing is so much better then windows
00:43<kernfreak>what is??
00:43<whitehat>I thought I would switch back but I can't I'm hooked on linux.
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00:44<kernfreak>which "thing"
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00:44<kernfreak>my telephone is better than windows
00:46<whitehat>I wish I could install beryl though so I could finally give those bill gates fanboys a slap in the face.
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00:47<kernfreak>google for it, im sure someone has done it
00:48*kernfreak just doesnt have need for it
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00:49<whitehat>i wish
00:49<whitehat> complicated
00:50<whitehat>i'll stickwith hydra,nmap,and nessus
00:50<whitehat>there pretty cool
00:50<SeveredCross>Compiz <3
00:50<whitehat>compiz fusion yeah I know
00:50<whitehat>soooo cool
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00:58<SeveredCross>Got Debian running on my Mac.
01:01<_Lemon_>I just did the etch->lenny thing as I want testing but I only have two entries in my sources.list ('deb lenny/updates main contrib' and a corresponding deb-src). It only upgraded 3 packages, what am I missing? (Before I changed etch to lenny I had about 30 to go...)
01:02<qq>SeveredCross ,
01:02<SeveredCross>qq: Switched the drive with Debian to Master.
01:03<SeveredCross>Very weird that it has to be like that, but it works.
01:03<SeveredCross>And it boots OS X.
01:03<gsimmons>_Lemon_: Sounds like you only have security sources referenced. You'd also want to include a Debian mirror, ideally one within your country.
01:03<SeveredCross>I don't know, I suppose coming from the PC side of things where GRUB is GRUB and it doesn't give a rat's ass about whether your Linux partition is master/slave, primary/extended, etc.
01:03<gsimmons>!tell _Lemon_ -about sources.list
01:04<SeveredCross>Why in the world can't I change my hostname with hostname new_host_name
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01:06<_Lemon_>gsimmons: Yeah, I thought that too, just couldn't find them... will look into those links though! Thanks.
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01:11<msk>hello all :>
01:12<msk>as you probably know - I'm not here without a reason ;)
01:13<msk>so (the first step) I have a problem
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01:14<msk>known one and really annoying... nvidia driver instalation ;]
01:14<qq>just ask
01:15<msk>ok, I dled the driver... - but I cant install it (obvious) - I quit xfce, log on as root and run the script
01:16<msk>there was a problem with gcc version, but that was the easy part
01:16<msk>now the installer says I dont have the kernel headers
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01:16<qq>install kernel-header
01:16<msk>2.8.24-1-686 - but thru aptitude I cant install such headers
01:17<qq>have lenny or ?
01:18<msk>yes, lenny
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01:18<msk>aptitude search gives me several linux-headers-2.6.24* packages - one is named -all
01:19<msk>there are those dependencies of course ;]
01:19<msk>linux-headers-2.6.24- <- if I try to install those strange thing happens
01:21<msk>it says that I can istall it if I... hm (im not native english speaking, so forgive my mistakes ;) ) if I will hold the versions of three packages that I dont have (including the one downloading)
01:22<msk>and after saying yes I get that the pack. is 0kb and after the dl it will use additional 0kb
01:22<msk>it seems though - its not there
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01:23<msk>if I try to install the *-all package it shouts that the linux-headers-2.6.24- cannot by installed and that I can "resolve these dependencies by hand"
01:24<msk>then the choice [N/+/-/_/:/?] - if I wont stop it by N or ctrl-c it will never stop
01:24<msk>tried to give + for a long time ;)
01:24<msk>its still a loop
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01:25<qq>cat /etc/debian_version ,
01:25<msk>I have official repo with "testing" - maybe changing it to "sid" or "unstable" would give some reults?
01:26<qq>ok , so install only linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686_2.6.24-4_i386.deb
01:27<msk>aptitude does not find package with that name
01:28<qq>apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686
01:28<msk>i tried aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` - with no luck also ;)
01:28<msk>could find - same result
01:29<qq> apt-get update
01:29<msk>I do it every two minutes this morning^^
01:29<msk>nothing after updating
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01:39<msk>hm, I added* to the sources.list - and still my apt cant see it, but it did dled from the link given
01:40<qq>dpkg -i linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686_2.6.24-4_i386.deb
01:40*dpkg installs linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686_2.6.24-4_i386.deb into qq's head with a bone saw and a few screws
01:42*Supaplex crushes /dev/zero with bzip2 -9 ;)
01:43<qq>msk: paste your /etc/apt/source.list to
01:43<msk>dependencies problems
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01:44<msk>it says I need...
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01:44<msk>linux-headers-2.6.24-1-common - and as you can guess - apt-get does not find such a package
01:45<msk>and linux-kbuild-2.6.24
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01:52<msk>about the sources.list -> "Service Temporarily Unavailable"^^
01:54<SeveredCross>Holy wow.
01:54<SeveredCross>Debian uses < 50 MB of RAM.
01:55<SeveredCross>(This is a very basic commandline install, but still, < 50 MB is impressive).
01:55<qq>on ppc ?
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01:56<SeveredCross>qq: Yep.
01:57<SeveredCross>Also, how do I remove packages which are marked rc by dpkg -l?
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01:58<msk>qq: | this is my sources, I'm trying to install the debs atm...
01:58<qq>dpkg -rm ?
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01:59<luca>dpkg --purge ?
02:00<qq>apt-get install package-name-
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02:00<SeveredCross>dpkg --purge did it.
02:00<msk>qq: ok, it installed all fine (thank you for that :] although I cant quite get why I couldn't find those packs with apt-get...)
02:01<msk>qq: I'm going to quit X atm to install the driver, will get back to tell how it worked out :]
02:01*SeveredCross is currently working on thinning down this system.
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02:06<vook>SeveredCross: you can also use 'aptitude purge'
02:06<vook>(but I think that it only purges the package specified (not the removed dependancies)
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02:16<msk>qq: okay, I'm back and everything went perfect :) You are a life saver - thank you very much :]
02:16<qq>msk: add that line ' deb sid main ' to the sources.list
02:16<msk>qq: is it "safe" to have unstable repo in testing version?
02:17<qq>for 'some' people yes ;)
02:17<jm_>but if you have to ask, then the answer is no
02:17<msk>oh, okay ;) I never thought about myself as "everyone" so... it's allright^^
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02:19<msk>but then again I read that unstable packages are only few weeks younger than those at testing repo, so they "shoudn't" make mucho problemos... but I think I know what you mean - the thing is "shoud not != will not" :]
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02:22<qq>msk: I made a exception here ...
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02:22<ooddtod>i was wondering if there is a command i can use that will scrub a drive clean?
02:23<vook>ooddtod: shred
02:23<ooddtod>thank you vook
02:23<DaCapn>you can boot from a boot disc and use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hd?
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02:23<vook>ooddtod: boot to a live cd, and then execute 'shred /dev/hd*'
02:24<DaCapn>does shred overwrite with pseudorandom?
02:24<ooddtod>would i have to run that 7 times?
02:24<vook>or better, shred zuv
02:24<vook>or better, shred -zuv
02:24<msk>qq: thanks again for all your help, hope I'll manage to repay the debt by helping some other newbie ;)
02:24<DaCapn>ooddtod 2-3 passes with sufficiently random data should be sufficient.
02:24<vook>DaCapn: dunno what pseudorandom is...
02:24<ooddtod>do any of you guys know of a live version of debian that is just samba?
02:25<DaCapn>If you're worried about the NSA, maybe take 6 passes. But that's near insanity
02:25<ooddtod>thank you very much guys
02:25<qq>msk : np gin dobre
02:25<ooddtod>no not worried about NSA just trying to clear a drive out that keeps giving me faulty readings
02:25<ooddtod>and dd'd it clean
02:25<DaCapn>I don't see the word random in the shred manpage
02:26<ooddtod>also taking a computer forensics class and was going to look into seeing what % of data can be read back from different amounts of passes
02:26<DaCapn>oh... I was thinking "scrub clean" meant to remove traces of your work.
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02:27<ooddtod>i was kinda talking about both
02:27<vook>DaCapn: shred basically by default goes over a file 25 times, i.e. (080808), (FBAFBA), then it throws a few /dev/urandoms in as well.
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02:27<msk>qq: so you all can speak polish these days...^^ tell me - why did I even learn english? ;)
02:28<ooddtod>vook: hmm very interesting
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02:28<qq>msk : i speak only two words :-)
02:28<DaCapn>any pattered overwrite is useless as far as forensic recovery is concerned (it doesn't matter if you write all 1's 60 times, then all 0's 8 times). But if shred pulls from /dev/random or /dev/urandom at all, those passes are useful.
02:29<vook>ooddtod: you can try it out on a test file: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=512 count=20' then 'shred -zuv testfile' (shred --help).
02:29<satyva>please help! I have unstable debian. I replaced sid to etch in sources list. How can I get stable software?
02:30<ooddtod>yeah i want to try it out i was just looking at my options for cleaning this drive off for now wanted to get more into the class
02:30<ooddtod>seems like an interesting thing
02:30<luca>ServerSide: apt-get remove --purge blah works, too
02:31<qq>msk : English is universal like Debian , so is a good marriage ...
02:31<ooddtod>satyva downgrades don't really work that well to my knowledge
02:31<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
02:31<vook>satyva: downgrading is messy.
02:32<vook>satyva: ya - you are better off reinstalling.
02:32<dpkg>ooddtod: sure thing
02:32<ooddtod>gotta love dpkg
02:32<ServerSide>luca: wth
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02:33<satyva>oh I need command for aptitude
02:33<kernfreak>mmmmmm pizza rolls
02:33<_haxi_>chouroute powa.
02:33<ooddtod>satyva were telling you not to do it, its not a good idea you'll run into far more issues downgrading then just running the unstable version
02:34<msk>qq: a big english-polish/polish-english dictionary: 20$, private lessons: 25$ per day, learning two words in a foreign language just to give some foreigner irc user good feelings about debian community - priceless ;)
02:34<ooddtod>well put msk
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02:37*vook curses the dongle thief fairy
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02:39<ooddtod>i'm having issues getting linux to boot up for me
02:39<luca>that was meant for SeveredCross
02:39<satyva>Do you know command for return stable version software?
02:39<luca>damned tab completion
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02:40<msk>I read some linux distros comparisons - and debian was in the "for advanced users" section... and I can't really understand that - I installed base system with no X (netinst) and after some hours of problems solving and learning I had xfce, some nice programmes, and everything working quite as it should - so where's the advanced part? :> if I had sid repo I would probably never ask you about this problem :) (there would be no problem)
02:40<kernfreak>ok, how do I install debian on my wife? well nm, that would make her GPL
02:40<vook>satyva: No - it can't be done (in any workable way). No downgrade method is easier or more effective than simply backing-up important data and reinstalling stable. !!
02:40<satyva>or how can Ireinstalling
02:41<msk>kernfreak: first of all - make her eat the debian cd and then connect here to the net, after that just use aptitude as usual :
02:41<vook>satyva: save your home directory and perhaps a list of the packages you have installed, then start a new etch installation.
02:41<kernfreak>apt-install goodbutt
02:41<kernfreak>works for me
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02:42<vook>satyva: you can backup everything if you'd like, then you could reuse some configuration files (back up /etc /var /home /root, and a list of installed packages).
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02:43<ooddtod>whats the best way of learning linux really in depthly?
02:43<satyva>and reinstall system with network?
02:43<ooddtod>i try and do as much as i can from the ci
02:43<ooddtod>readings for the literate
02:44<ooddtod>anything in particular?
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02:44<vook>ooddtod: I recommend Running Linux from O'reilly to start.
02:44<vook>ooddtod: Running Linux is written from a Debian standpoint.
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02:45<ooddtod>i like the idea of that
02:45<kernfreak>I learned from facking up stuff
02:45<satyva>vook: thanks a lot
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02:46<vook>It's nice to have a hardcopy when you are learning. I like the Nutshell releases as well. Of course you could just read debian docs, etc...
02:48<kernfreak>prob is if ur comp pukes and you end up in a console, that hardcopy will really come in handy
02:49<msk>kernfreak: I know what you mean ;)
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02:50<kernfreak>I enjoyed LFS
02:50<msk>the more problems one have, the more one will learn (...if one won't resign and just fallback to windows)
02:50<vook>yep - the book I mentioned is well paced too. The first half is sort of essential basics, then it goes into other areas (such as service administration (samba, apache, etc..)
02:51<vook>what is LFS?
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02:51<msk>Learn by F*cking Stuff?^^
02:51<kernfreak>linux from scratch
02:51<msk>okay, that also ^^
02:52<kernfreak>Live f*cking strippers 2
02:52<jm_>live for speed
02:52<vook>kernfreak: you wouldn't get away with this during certain times of day
02:53<vook>doesn't bother me though.
02:53<kernfreak>with what?
02:53<qq>I learned from facking up hardware , and installing on all machines debian , now more than 1000
02:54<vook>:) I think approved term is effing or something like that. heh
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02:57<kernfreak>darn, where did my monitor go
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02:58<ooddtod>if it wasn't the wee hours you'd be banned haha
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02:58<kernfreak>for what, the curse word?
02:59<vook>or at least warned. The ops in here are forgiving to an extent. The #debian guidelines tells you all you need to know.
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03:00<ooddtod>man I had a bad powersupply that was causing what seemed like a hard drive failure
03:01<ooddtod>but started happening to two drives at the same time
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03:03<vook>qq: I only wish I'd started with debian. I toiled with Redhat (5.0) for a couple years before I saw the light.
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03:04<GhostlyDeath>How can I use the libc6-dbg libraries?
03:04<msk>okay, when a man got to go - a man got to go ;) thanks for all the help qq, and hugs 'n kisses 'n penguins to ya all ;)
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03:08<vook>I have an old laptop with freebsd on it. It contains 7 partitions, the 7th contains 32gb of music. Can I install debian onto this system while maintaining the ufs data on the 7th partition?
03:08<oddtod2>why don't you just remove the hdd and mount it with a ide to usb cable?
03:09<riton>yes you can, the installer asks you to edit your parts
03:09<oddtod2>or run a live cd and just transfer it over the network?
03:09<riton>just choose manually and don't forget swap part
03:09<vook>oddtod2: it's an oold laptop. No ethernet (and I have no dongle to my pcmcia card).
03:09<DaCapn>I don't think linux has full support for UFS though.
03:10<DaCapn>Write could be experimental.
03:10<oddtod2>has anyone had issues with NTFS writing?
03:10<oddtod2>i had a power failure and ntfs drive linux was writing to took a dump
03:10<riton>use ntfs-3g
03:10<vook>hmm. okay, second question. does anyone know if the atheros chipset (madwifi) is supported in the etch netinst?
03:10<qq>! ufs
03:11<dpkg>it has been said that ufs is the amazing fs that the enlightened ones use, the file system with stable code, softupdates and other such magic that makes fsck at boot a thing of the past, and ext2fs wince, or all that is a bunch of crap. All the BSDs can be crashed using softupdates, or crashing is only currently...
03:11<oddtod2>no i was using ntfs-3g
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03:11<DaCapn>HAHA qq
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03:12<riton>vook : no native ath driver in neinstall unless it has changed in the lasts days
03:12<DaCapn>pulling up the ufs definition
03:12<vook>riton: do you know if ndiswrapper is there?
03:12<DaCapn>vook you might check if there is a repo for madwifi.
03:13<DaCapn> not associated with debian directly
03:13<riton>Hmmmmm, no I don't think so
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03:13<jm_>vook: that's described in the i-g
03:13<DaCapn>I know there are madwifi repos for some other popular distros
03:13<riton>DaCapn : it is for a netinstall...
03:14<DaCapn>vook and you could always go to and search the packages yourself.
03:14<jm_>madwifi driver is packaged once you have Debian installed
03:14<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @
03:14<riton>Ubuntu can do the deal but...
03:14<DaCapn>Oh... I guess I wasn't thinking about needing it FOR installation, heh.
03:14<vook>ok ok. I hear ya. (I'm being lazy)
03:14*vook smacks himself
03:15<oddtod2>vook: i don't think so your posing a question that wasn't as cut and dry as yes or no
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03:15<vook>I should know better oddtod2. hehe
03:16<Ouroboros>man, how do you edit inside initramfs shell.. there are no editors, besides echo i guess
03:16<jm_>do you have sed?
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03:17<Ouroboros>no :)
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03:17<Ouroboros>there almost no file commands either, hm
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03:29<Slydder>morning all.
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03:36<bhola>what is effective user id and how does it useful?
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03:43<Ouroboros>i dont understand this error from initramfs: "/init: /init: 1: /scripts/init-bottom/unionfs: not found"... i get this twice, even though the script is definitely there
03:48<Ouroboros>most peculiarly, how does it know to run it if its not there?
03:49<jm_>the fact that it's not there doesn't mean some other script won't try to run it
03:49<Ouroboros>it *is* there though
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03:50<Ouroboros>i can view it with cat/more and it shows up in ls with proper permissions
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03:51<Ouroboros>i guess the script trying to run it is 'udev' where i added it as a prereq
03:51<Ouroboros>but they are both there in the same dir with the exact same permissions
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03:52<Ouroboros>also, i should mention that this whole thing works fine in vmware, but something got messed up when i replicated it on the real system
03:55<Ouroboros>ok will go try again
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04:19<Ouroboros>figure out what the problem was... the interpreter in the script was wrong
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04:20<Ouroboros>also, i was wrong about there not being editos/file tools--they are all there, though they do not show up either in the file system or in the shell command list
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04:22<Ouroboros>actually,that was not the shell command list
04:22<Ouroboros>anyway, night
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04:24<jMCg>mmmm... ouroboros......
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04:26<dpkg>i guess serial is a means of operation meaning in series, or one after the other. see also <serial port>
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04:34<dpkg>somebody said getty was extra, extra, read all about it, getty is the lead singer of Rush. No, wait! That's Geddy!, or getty is also getty="get-terminal type" in a sense, ask me about <tty> , or man getty, man tty, and 'locate getty' and read the docs
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04:38<vovka>Áîäðîãî âñåì âðåìåíè ñóòîê! Ïîäñêàæèòå ïëèç, ïîñëå óñòàíîâêè íà ìàòü asus m2n-mx íà ÷èïñåòå nvidia ïðè êàæäîé ïåðåçàãðóçêå âñòðîåííàÿ ñåòåâàÿ ìåíÿåò íàçâàíèå óñòðîéñòâà - eth1 -> eth2 -> eth3 è ò.ä ×òî ñ ýòèì ìîæíî ñäåëàòü?
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04:46<vook>vovka: #debian-russian ?
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04:47<dpkg>somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:48<vook>hmm, says debian-russian is on
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04:49<vook> - I wonder which is correct, that or dpkg?
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04:50<sward> changed to point from freenode to oftc, so likely is correct, but there’s probably a channel on freenode too.
04:51<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
04:51<vook>yep - dpkg probably needs to be updated. Everything should be on oftc now.
04:51<DaCapn>ack... didn't see it was already triggered
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04:52<noflash>there are users in #debian-russian on freenode
04:53<vook>of course. there are users on #debian on freenode as well, but the official location for #debian* channels is oftc.
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05:54<XoX> how to search through all the installed packages that have a Tag of admin::monitoring ?
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06:00<nothingwolf>hello, how may i run two separate versions of firefox under one user without the two profiles conflicting? install one to /opt ?
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06:01<nothingwolf>or will this still write to .mozilla ?
06:01<Torsten_W>it will
06:01<nothingwolf>in ~
06:03<nothingwolf>thank you how may i run two separate versions safely without profile or other file/plugin comingling?
06:04<Torsten_W>why will you do that?
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06:04<nothingwolf>Torsten_W, testing beta while running a stable version
06:05<Torsten_W>why you will not use an extra pofile?
06:06<nothingwolf>Torsten_W, i was concerned a default installation may mess with the present installation
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06:06<knoppix_>hi all
06:06<nothingwolf>Torsten_W, ~/.mozilla corruption/confliction, etc.
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06:07<Torsten_W>firefox has a profile manager
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06:07<Torsten_W>use them
06:07<nothingwolf>Torsten_W, thanks I will attempt this
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06:08<nothingwolf>Torsten_W, in the past I experienced trouble though, so i wished to avoid this, even when i created another profile
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06:08<Torsten_W>then use 2 users if you fear about that
06:09<nothingwolf>Torsten_W, thanks I was hoping to use 2 firefox installations under 1 user, I suppose 2 users is my only sane choice
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06:17<sas67>hi all
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06:17<sas67>need assistance
06:17<sas67>im connected to debian server thru putty
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06:17<sas67>how can i find out which vnc i have installed
06:18<themill>dpkg -l *vnc*
06:18<dpkg>No packages found matching *vnc*
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06:18<themill>dpkg: shut up
06:18<dpkg>No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
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06:19<themill>sas67: run the command: dpkg -l *vnc*
06:20<themill>sas67: on irc, dpkg is our bot and he sometimes chirps up when you don't want him to.
06:20<themill>dpkg: greet sas67
06:20<dpkg>Tag, sas67
06:20<sas67>kcommand not found
06:21<themill>sas67: what sort of debian do you have?
06:21<themill>sas67: can you pastebin the command you gave and the output for me?
06:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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06:22<gsimmons>XoX: aptitude search ~i~Gadmin::monitoring
06:23<sas67>~# dkpg -l *vnc*
06:23<themill>sas67: it's dpkg not dkpg
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06:23<themill>!typosmite sas67
06:23*dpkg makes sas67 raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr.
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06:24<themill>no worries
06:24<sas67>got it now
06:25<sas67>im trying to sort my box out
06:25<sas67>using debian server as a seedbox
06:25<sas67>not entirely legal,but hey
06:25<themill>sas67: we really don't want to know
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06:26<sas67>i need to setup vnc
06:26<sas67>you help me?
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06:38<sas67>how can i uninstall an app thru putty?
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06:41<GhostlyDeath>sas67: either use the apt commands or aptitude (if the SSH host is running Debian)
06:41<GhostlyDeath>You need root privileges though
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06:56<vook>common unix printing system :)
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07:20<vidakovic83>I got a problem booting from the debian installation cd?
07:20<vidakovic83>could someone help me?
07:20<jm_>you are asking us if you have a problem?
07:21<vidakovic83>ups sorry
07:21<vidakovic83>I have a problem
07:21<vidakovic83>I'm trying to intall debian on amd geode plattform
07:22<vidakovic83>I've downloaded the debian network installation cd
07:22<vidakovic83>so when I try to boot
07:22<vidakovic83>the kernel hagns after decompressing
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07:23<vidakovic83>I've tryied to disable acpi, apic
07:23<jm_>hmm geode is rather special isn't it?
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07:23<vidakovic83>is and low comsumition x86 cpu
07:23<kharn>can somone verify a command for me ... i am trying to copy my linux boot drive (hdb) to a spare drive (hdc) ... i used the following command "dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hdc" ... and it appears to have crapped itself
07:23<vidakovic83>is a low comsumition x86 cpu
07:24<vidakovic83>designed for embedded systems
07:24<jm_>yeah maybe you'll need a special kernel for it
07:24<kharn>or does it just take a long time?
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07:24<kharn>hey jm_ :)
07:25<vidakovic83>I've waited for 20 minutes, and the it haven't displayed
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07:25<vidakovic83>so it runs at 333 mhz, I think it should be enough
07:26<vidakovic83>booting from the latest linux from scratch live cd was ok
07:26<jm_>vidakovic83: the kernel has probably hanged
07:26<vidakovic83>fro x86
07:26<vidakovic83>for x86
07:27<vidakovic83>yes, I think
07:27<gsimmons>vidakovic83: Any similarity regarding your issue and <>? I'm assuming you're attempting to install Etch.
07:29<vidakovic83>yes, is the same
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07:32<vidakovic83>do you know where to obtaing the iso for the release 3?
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07:33<gsimmons>!tell vidakovic83 -about sarge
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07:34<themill>vidakovic83: do you mean etch r3 (i.e. 4.0r3) or sarge 3.0?
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07:35<vidakovic83>I'm having problems with etch r3, so I want so try with sarge 3.x
07:35<vidakovic83>gsimmons told me where to get it
07:35<vidakovic83>thank you very much
07:36<themill>vidakovic83: sarge is approaching the end of it's life.... you'll need to go to etch some time in the next few weeks anyway.
07:36<Jeffro>Hey there I'm having a problem installing Debian etch. When it searches for a hard drive it say's I have to select a driver. This is weird as debian found the driver before. Then I checked the Other TTY screen and I saw that it has troubles with cleaning the wcache. What could be the problem and what can be done to solve this problem. We're trying some hard disk diagnostics tools atm.
07:36<vidakovic83>I know, so I need to solve a problem quickly and get a working platfform
07:37<vidakovic83>I'm currently developing a linux from scratch system to this PCs
07:37<vidakovic83>so this is just a temp solution
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07:38<riganta>hi, I have installed a server mail postfix on my pc and when I try to send my first email test i get "Recipient address rejected: User Unknown in local recipient table"
07:40<themill>!wayttd riganta
07:40<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, riganta?
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07:41<riganta>well, I am trying to test my new smtp mail server
07:41<riganta>I installed postfix and when I try sending a test email i get the error message above
07:42<themill>riganta: but what do you want the mail server to do? accept mail for or just take your mail and forward it to your ISP for delivery? or just keep your system running with system emails from cron jobs to your local user?
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07:44<riganta>first, i just wanted the smtp mail server to send a test email from my new server on my pc through the internet and back into my box . Nothing local.
07:45<riganta>Sorry if i am not being concise and clear enough. I am having much difficulties trying to understand postfix
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07:52<csabi>Hello everyone. How can I find out which CD-ROM a particular package is on?
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07:53<jm_>!cd contents
07:53<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
07:53<csabi>jm_: Thank you. :)
07:53<jm_>no worries
07:54<Jeffro>Hey there I'm having a problem installing Debian etch. When it searches for a hard drive it say's I have to select a driver. This is weird as debian found the driver before. Then I checked the Other TTY screen and I saw that it has troubles with cleaning the wcache. What could be the problem and what can be done to solve this problem. We're trying some hard disk diagnostics tools atm but Maxtor Powermax is not working so well :(
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07:55<nothingwolf>may an iceape install conflict with Firefox and Thunderbird profiles or settings in ~/.mozilla ?
07:55<nothingwolf>or does it use another directory for these files
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08:01<sas67>anyone know command for uninstalling vnc thru putty?
08:01<Bert>apt-get remove vnc-server ?
08:01<sas67>ill give it a go
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08:01<sas67>thanx bert
08:02<Bert>np, package xvnc4viewer or xvncviewer for xvnc
08:08<sas67>wanna remove all,and start again
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08:13<Jeffro>Hey there I'm having a problem installing Debian etch. When it searches for a hard drive it say's I have to select a driver. This is weird as debian found the driver before. Then I checked the Other TTY screen and I saw that it has troubles with cleaning the wcache. What could be the problem and what can be done to solve this problem. We just put in a other hard drive we still get the wcache flush failed! message.
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08:21<sas67>vnc log showing error with fonts
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08:21<sas67>gone to font file and ite empty!!
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08:25<fxiny>chealer: hello , are you the same of "... to be proud of" security thread ?
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08:31<vook>sas67: look into tightvnc
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08:35<engywuck_>Jeffro: you sure your copy of the install CDs ar OK?
08:36<engywuck_>and what's your exact system configuration (processor, disk connection (SATA/PATA/SCSI) etc?
08:37<andresvia>It's possible for rox to use the default applications associated with the System MIME types just like Ice(weasel|ape) does?
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08:41<DTE>hi all
08:41<DTE>i have some problems trying to activate more than one bond interface
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08:43<istat>:-P hi~
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08:45<engywuck_>spammer ^^
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08:51<kurumin># recife
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08:52<Baggy2>I get this message during boot: "intelfb: Non-CRT device is enabled ( LVDS port ). Disabling mode switching." what should I do to enable mode switching? Trying to get directfb to work...
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08:53<Baggy2>How do I disable non-CRT device? and what does it actually mean?
08:54<Baggy2>Do I need it to use LCD screens or what?
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09:15<engywuck>what do i have to set so that i can write (for example) ´e so that the ´ goes over the e?
09:15<engywuck>germen keyboard, xorg and konsole, etch
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09:17<fxiny>engywuck: you mean console keymap ? dpkg-reconfigure console-data
09:18<engywuck>and x programs, too
09:18<engywuck>remove "nodeadkeys" option?
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09:19<fxiny>is iot a pc105 keyboard ? try dpkg-reconfigure xorg or kde ccenter
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09:19<engywuck>yep, pc105 ps/2
09:21<engywuck>ah, now it works
09:21<engywuck>in kcontrol US keyboard was setup
09:22<engywuck>don't know, why
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09:25<engywuck>is there a ressource where i can find the *exact* differences between different keyboard variants?
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09:25<Gekz>engywuck: whats to know
09:25<Gekz>engywuck: UK keyboard has an extra key to the US layout
09:25<Gekz>engywuck: next to the left shift
09:26<engywuck>no, I mean when setting the layout
09:26<Gekz>oh, wikipedia
09:26<engywuck>differences between "basic", "deadgrave", ...
09:26<Gekz>look up keyboard layouts
09:26<Gekz>I can use azerty and qwerty :P
09:27<engywuck>i can use dvorak, nodeadkeys, basic, ro, neo, ....
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09:27<fxiny>dead keys ? you can get some very hold keyboards like mine : no redmond's keys here :)
09:27<Gekz>I only learn what i need.
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09:29<fxiny>Gekz: i do the same but with beer ;)
09:29<Gekz>lol wtf
09:29<jMCg>It's very disturbing that Debian has a patchset for hello.
09:31<engywuck>deadkeys = keys like ' that print only for themselves when followed by a space
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09:31<Gekz>I know.
09:31<fxiny>yeah yeah
09:31<Gekz>its so annoying
09:31<engywuck>'+ n gives ń when there are deadkeys
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09:31<engywuck>well, that's why i want the differendces in the other layout variants...
09:32<fxiny>kde has some applet for that , iirc
09:33<engywuck>it let's me *choose*, but will not *show* what's the difference
09:34<vook>jMCg: that what it's all about. Without xsnow - linux is nothing!
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09:34<engywuck>and I don't like to test around a dozen variants :)
09:34<vook>I saw a &
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09:35<Gekz>I'm poor
09:35<vook>an u*&n%u install recently with no xsnow in the default repo. It made me cringe
09:35<Gekz>how much coffee do i need to stay awake if I get 4 hours sleep
09:35<Gekz>stay awake for 7 hours
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09:36<engywuck>at least I don't
09:36<fxiny>4 hours ? i had only 3 last night
09:36<Gekz>4 hours for 4 weeks
09:36<Gekz>it starts to add up
09:36<engywuck>but depends what you are doing... standing guard or doing important stuff
09:37<Gekz>I fall asleep in english class
09:37<Gekz>I need to not be asleep
09:37<engywuck>then just don't snore
09:37<Gekz>I dont
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09:37<Gekz>noone knows when i'm asleep until I get woken and yell out "NO"
09:37<engywuck>and I've read about someone that paited his eyelids to seem awake when they are closed...
09:37<Gekz>door slammed and scared the crap out of me
09:37<fxiny>Gekz: what's the problem ? put on some nice shades :P
09:38<Gekz>I have to know wahts going on
09:38<Gekz>its not an American school damnit
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09:38<nodor>Any experience with the Xbox360 pad on Lenny? Does it like just work or is it complicated?
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09:46<Wesley>Hi! when I try to make a remote connection to my mysql server I only get the following: Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. - After that nothing, I'm not able to input any commando's
09:46<themill>!tell Wesley about multiple ask
09:48<Wesley>Ah, my bad. didn't know the channels were "connected" or however you want to call it
09:48<themill>well, they're connected insofar as many of the people who might answer your question are on both channels
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09:49<Wesley>I understand, sorry
09:49<themill>Wesley: this connection is from one machine to another?
09:51<Wesley>It is yes
09:51<Wesley>Normaly you also get something like your connection id is <id> etc etc. it doesn't show that at all
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09:52<Wesley>I use the "mysql -u USER -p -h IP" command
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09:56<Supaplex>Wesley: what release of debian and mysql, and how recently was mysql not having this issue?
09:57<Wesley>Supaplex, never tried this on this machine before. and its a pretty old mysql version
09:58<themill>client/server version mismatch?
09:59<Wesley>Could be.. would this appear as an error somewhere?
10:00<themill>Wesley: do you have access to the remote machine and its mysql logs? Turning up the logging on both ends and then retrying would be a useful thing to try
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10:00<Wesley>I do, ill try that thanks
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10:01<mazur>Hi i installed debian on very old computer who has a ISA port yet. My souncdard is on ISA port. Can i use this soundcard on linux ?
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10:02<mazur>how can i do it ?
10:02<hazard2>but depending on how old it is, you may have trouble getting it to work
10:02<hazard2>try installing isapnp tools (or something like that)
10:03<fxiny>what sound card it that ?
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10:03<mazur>aztech washington 16
10:03<Supaplex>is it a sbpro knockoff?
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10:04<mazur>i configured soundcard but configurator ask me about port. What port uses ISA.
10:04<Supaplex>check the jumpers or the manual on your device
10:04<engywuck>wasn't it mosly set to 7 by default?
10:04<engywuck>but my last jumpered SC is dead some 10 years, so....
10:05<Supaplex>that'd be the IRQ, but guessing might lock your machine up
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10:05<mazur>does linux see ISA ports ?
10:05<mazur>mayby he doesnt see that
10:05<engywuck>hey, where's the fun if you can't lock your machine now and then?
10:05<Supaplex>you're asking the wrong question mazur. ISA is very primitive c/o PCI
10:06<Supaplex>I mean compared to, not c/o
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10:06<gsimmons>hazard2: 'isapnptools' was removed to resolve bug #318359.
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10:07<Supaplex>mazur: where's the manual for your ISA card? have you pulled the card from your (off) machine to look at the jumpers?
10:07<Supaplex>!tell mazur about msg
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10:08<mazur>i dont have any manual. I can pull of the card any time
10:08<Xenation>Does anyone know in what repositories I can find KDE4?
10:08<mazur>you men tell you about dmesg ?
10:09<mazur>you meen*
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10:09<gsimmons>!tell Xenation -about kde4
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10:10<Xenation>thank you
10:10<ChiasticSlide>!tell ChiasticSlide -about kde4
10:10<Supaplex>no mazur, I meant msg, as in don't msg people
10:10<engywuck> says: "The packages are in experimental"
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10:10<engywuck>!tell engywuck -about kde4
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10:11<mazur>but wait. After what you want change the jumpers on the
10:11*fxiny polishes his flux
10:11<mazur>this card is working property on other systems
10:12<mmi>if speak somebodu romanian language can contact me pls?
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10:13<Supaplex>mazur: what other systems?
10:13<mazur>windows 98 se
10:14<mazur>with windoes xp - not working
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10:14<fxiny>so grab info from that "other" one
10:14<engywuck>then boot that, look there which channels etc it uses
10:14<mazur>and with windows 98 and older works
10:14<Supaplex>what driver is your card using? check the hardware in I forget where (system?my computer?) and write down the resources given to it
10:14<engywuck>hey, that's a card that's *at least* 10 if not 15 years old
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10:15<engywuck>using them in modern linux is like trying to use them in Vista ;-)
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10:15<mazur>this card is not visible by system
10:15<engywuck>ok, perhaps not as bad but WinXP :)
10:15<mazur>it uses no driver
10:15<Supaplex>oh pure fscking magic. I give up
10:15<engywuck>then look in c:\autoexec.bat or config.sys
10:16<engywuck>if not there: it uses magic, like Supaplex said
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10:16<Supaplex>lol :)
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10:16<fxiny>yeahhh cast a spell
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10:16<Supaplex>or cast that oldskewl hardware to the e-recycling dump ;)
10:17<engywuck>no, that's way too costly
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10:17<mazur>so i can do nothink :( ?
10:17<engywuck>the gas you need to drive there is wortzh more than the card :)
10:17<mazur>command lspci check pci, and is someone command to check ISA
10:18<engywuck>perhaps in dmesg?
10:18<Supaplex>there are online places that'll pay for shipping, so they foot the bill.
10:18<engywuck>dunno, last ISA card I've seen was some years ago in a special win3.1 application :)
10:19<fxiny>a special win3 app ? morris worm ?
10:19<fxiny>or was it win 95 ?
10:19<mazur>yea yea but voice is clear and really briliant form that Scard
10:20<Supaplex>one of my routers uses a 10bt 3c509b isa card. I modded that + a rtl8139c pci card to use both parts of a shared isa/pci slot :) 10bt's plenty for the crappy pc it goes to on the other side of the house
10:20<fxiny>i want it !
10:21<mazur>see later.bye
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10:22<Supaplex>~lart aztech washington 16 isa sound cards everywhere
10:22*dpkg chops aztech washington 16 isa sound cards everywhere in half with a free AOL CD
10:22<fxiny>i had to put last alsa sec-fix on hold cause doesn't like my opl3sa
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10:25<Supaplex>when building a kernel, how do you tell make you're using some other .config? I want to setup a test to recompile for a handful of configs w/o playing symlink/copy or move games.
10:25<fxiny>so where's chealer ? i wanted to ask him something
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10:26<fxiny>case if he's that chealer i wanted to tell him tx for all the times he supported users in this chan .
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10:27<fxiny>that thread is annoying me : i do not need enlightened a* to tell me who is a troll . chealer's not a troll
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10:29<engywuck>just move the configs manually?
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10:40<Supaplex>fxiny: who's this remind you of?>1=40000
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10:40<gsimmons>If mazur comes back, the card may work with the snd-azt2320 driver, provided all module options are specified. Failing that, its basic "Soundblaster Pro" mode should be operable via snd-sb8 (again with module options specified).
10:41<fxiny>Supaplex: lemme see
10:41<Supaplex>oh yeah. I totally spaced alsa on such old hardware :P
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10:47<nodor>Any experience with the Xbox360 pad on Lenny? Does it like just work or is it complicated?
10:47<engywuck>sorry, never used that
10:48<petemc>i would very much doubt it just works
10:49<fxiny>Supaplex: i can't get anything in the writing , maybe is because i slept only 3 hours : is it the red "logo" are you talking about ?
10:49<Supaplex>fxiny: just trolls in general. thought a familar name might flush out ;) hehehe that's all.
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10:50<engywuck>nodor: there are some ubuntu and fedora threads available on the net about it
10:50<engywuck>these shouldn't be tooo far away from lenny
10:51<engywuck>see for example
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10:59<fxiny>Supaplex: i've saved that page for later , i'll feed all "names" to google when my brain recover ;)
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11:01<Supaplex>fxiny: hehe okay :)
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11:05<JasonF>Is there a good place with a howto on how to backport your own packages?
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11:06<Aleric>JasonF: You wrote a .deb ?
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11:06<JasonF>No, I'm taking the source file from testing, and I want to build it into a .deb that will work in stable.
11:07<Aleric>I wrote a "howto" on how to customize packages
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11:07<Aleric>Maybe that will help?
11:08<Supaplex>sounds like <simple sid backport>
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11:08<Supaplex>!tell JasonF -about simple sid backport
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11:09<JasonF>Supaplex: and what if it doesn't work that easily?
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11:09<Supaplex>that'll work for testing -> stable too (simple, make sure you use lenny and not sid)
11:09<JasonF>Supaplex: the problem I'm running into right now is the build-dep not being able to find the build dependencies
11:09<Supaplex>well, testing packages don't become testing unless they build from source in a sid env first (sid -> testing -> freeze -> stable)
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11:10<Supaplex>sometimes you have to backport those too. if the configure script is smart enough, you might be able to tamper with axing dependencies or lesser version numbers in debian/control
11:11<JasonF>Supaplex: in this case, the package wants to upgrade a lot of stuff, including glibc
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11:11<Supaplex>what package is this?
11:11<Supaplex>etch has php5 doesn't it?
11:11<JasonF>Yes, but we need 5.2.5 not 5.2.0
11:12<JasonF>I work for a webapp company, and we're hitting a few bugs that are fixed in the latest minor version
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11:12<Supaplex>that's a tiny php jump (but version numbers are somewhat deceptive at times) - odd.
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11:12<Aleric>I'd start with patching it (as is described on my page) in order to change it's dependencies. Just have it depend on all the etch equivalents. If then it doesn't compile, you can patch it more.
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11:14<Supaplex>I think it goes w/o saying, you're taking matters into your own hands anyway. you'll need to test everything you can or worry about before deploying it. Having said that, compare the debian/control between the two versions. I doubt php really needs a newer glibc, but who knows. :)
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11:15<Aleric>I'm sure it doesn't
11:15<munga>how can I force mysql to accept only ssl connections (I've already configured to accept ssl connections, but it doesn't refuse clear connections) ?
11:15<JasonF>Supaplex: I could probably steal the build-depends from the 5.2.0 source in etch, couldn't I?
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11:15<Aleric>A problem could be if the new package was patched to use, say, a new major version of a database. But it won't if it's just a minor upgrade.
11:16<Aleric>JasonF: That's what he's saying.
11:16<JasonF>that would be awesome.
11:16<dpkg>methinks tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first
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11:17<Supaplex>if it breaks, well, you're like the inventors of the past learning yet another way $widget does not. :)
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11:21<fxiny>Supaplex: hmmm. did i tell you i've cloned one of my etch in an encrypted partition , boot in a pretty ext2 ? LUKS more nice then a vserver ;)
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11:22<Supaplex>cool. I'm poking at uml again. it seems stable for what I'm running now
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11:22<Supaplex>angga26teugm: care to explain your onjoin message?
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11:23<engywuck>seems to be not the case :
11:23<JasonF>Supaplex: Aleric: now I'm getting this erro dpkg-source: error: file php5_5.2.5-3.diff.gz has size 122911 instead of expected 122264
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11:24<fxiny>uml ? hmm . are you trying to make me busy AGAIN ? ;)
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11:24<fxiny>i spent a week over my first vserver ...
11:24<Supaplex>fxiny: oh, and grsecurity patches too :)
11:24<fxiny>Supaplex: YOU! i failed on grsec !
11:24<Supaplex>JasonF: how'd you get that?!
11:25<Aleric>JasonF: Don't tell me you just replaced the whole file without looking at the differences and manually decide what you needed.
11:25<Aleric>Because if you, you're not suited for this kind of hackery.
11:26<Supaplex>fxiny: I'm tempted to split grsecurity into a few subsets. I think I only want the additional chroot restrictions
11:26<JasonF>Supaplex: Aleric: it was just a bad download
11:26<JasonF>a new copy was the proper size
11:26<Aleric>k :)
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11:27<fxiny>Supaplex: oh that is interesting . what about se-linux ? remember Manoj last debconf suggestions ? is still a dream for me atm
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11:29<Supaplex>fxiny: selinux builds fine on ARCH=um. one of the other usefull features is neuturing /proc kcore mem and kin
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11:31<jMCg>Supaplex: ARCH=um?
11:31<BeastSatanDeamon>este es debian veezuela?
11:31<wferi>Hi! I must be doing something stupid, but if I press "Reload page" on the bottom of a bug page (eg.;dist=unstable), I get an error: An error occurred. Dammit. Error was: You have to choose something to select by. I just can't get past it... what am I doing wrong?
11:31<Supaplex>jMCg: user mode linux
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11:32<Supaplex>wferi: how's work?
11:32<wferi>Comes up fine.
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11:33*Supaplex grabs $brunch
11:33<wferi>And changes the URL in the navigation bar to the above.
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11:33<wferi>Where the Reload button doesn't work, Dammit.
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11:34<Supaplex>fxiny: my bad. $brunch is blessed :D
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11:36<Supaplex>wferi: I can reload that url you gave over and over just fine
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11:36<wferi>Reload by a browser command?
11:36<JasonF>Supaplex: Aleric:
11:36<wferi>Or reload by the Options form?
11:37<Supaplex>there is no form on this page
11:37<JasonF>I thoguht that by using --debbuildopts "-d" I would be overriding that?
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11:37<wferi>It's the later that doesn't work for me. Sure there is, click Options. (it's collapsed if you have javascript enabled).
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11:38<JasonF>Supaplex: Aleric: thoughts?
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11:53<seanius>JasonF: why not use backports?
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11:54<seanius>JasonF: oh, nm, they don't seem to have later than 5.2.0 in there either
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11:55<tq|Memph>hi all
11:55<JasonF>seanius: yeah :) and we've been bitten in the past relying on 3rd parties (like dotdeb) and not getting security bumps
11:55<tq|Memph>i'm newbie
11:55<tq|Memph>need help any free person can help me?
11:55<seanius>JasonF: is pretty good wrt last i heard
11:55<seanius>s/wrt/wrt security/
11:55<Supaplex>!tell tq|Memph -about ask
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11:57<seanius>JasonF: is there a particular php bug causing the need for upgrade or is it generally being fed up with the 5.2.0 version?
11:57<JasonF>seanius: yes.
11:57<seanius>the recode bug?
11:57<JasonF>seanius: I don't know, IANAD
11:57<Supaplex>php is a big bug </taunt>
11:57<JasonF>seanius: and we have to have at least 5.2.3 to run some new thing the developers want to run
11:58<JasonF>Supaplex: it looks like my problem is that the .diff file patches the control file to need a dep that the .dsc file has been edited to say we don't need
11:58<JasonF>I edited the diff, but it goes back to the "oh noes, I don't expect it to be this size!"
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11:58<seanius>JasonF: i would recommend unpacking the source package and editing the control file directly
11:59<tq|Memph>I have a lot of problem with debian 4.0 r2 i3 , 1) i have just installed , and i dont know how to use irc @ debian , i dont know how to update latest version , and i dont know these questions because i have a connection problem @ debian , i can ping but i couldnt see the page when i used the firefox
11:59<seanius> and then use debuild (or better pdebuild) to build the source package
11:59<JasonF>seanius: *nod*
12:00<Supaplex>JasonF: the diff is suppose to contain debian/ - if upstream included it before hand, it's quickly gets beyond my ability to manage too
12:00<tingle>tq|Memph: just a question.. how can you irc when you havnt got a inet connection?
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12:01<tq|Memph>i'm @ xp
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12:02<Supaplex>tq|Memph: is your network using dhcp?
12:02<tq|Memph>i'm using net with my brother
12:02<tq|Memph>i can ping him
12:02<tq|Memph>ping my modem
12:02<seanius>JasonF: what are you building 5.2.3 from?
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12:03<JasonF>I'm building 5.2.5 from lenny sources.
12:03<JasonF>and I just got it to work (I hope, it made it to the compile for the first time)
12:03<seanius>okay, that seems reasonable
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12:03<Supaplex>tq|Memph: the debian installer most likely choose dhcp already. if so, the dhcp server should be giving out the right information to the debian machine.
12:04<tq|Memph>i can see the sites with ip's like 83.234.355.123
12:04<tq|Memph>but i couldnt see by etc..
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12:05<tq|Memph>i think i have dns problems but i dont know how to fix them
12:06<Supaplex>ahh so /etc/resolv.conf is most likely goofed. if the dhcp server is handing out the wrong dns servers, then you have to fix the dhcp server. reboot into debian, run man 5 interfaces, and make sure /etc/networking/interfaces has eth0 set to dhcp.
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12:08<Supaplex>tq|Memph: question 5 on addresses most of this
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12:11<tq|Memph>supaplex was mine favorite game :p
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12:18<wferi>!tell wferi -about ask
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12:18<zarchne>What is the "stext" wchan?
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12:22<tq|Memph>What program do you use to connect irc?
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12:24<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
12:24<m0RrE>which audio player do you use to play mp3s?
12:24<Supaplex>ipod :P
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12:24<m0RrE>i'm fed up with xmms
12:24<amphi>m0RrE: quod libet in X
12:25<m0RrE>i just installed it
12:25<amphi>mplayer in console ;)
12:25<cahoot>200 more answers?
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12:26<zarchne>hexdump | less
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12:27<Supaplex>zarchne: oh sure, /exec -o dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | tr -d '\n' ; echo ""
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12:28<binjured>quick question: if i write in another eth interface in /etc/network/interfaces, how do i get it to come up on boot?
12:29<Supaplex>man 5 interfaces has all that
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12:31<binjured>Supaplex: Thanks -- i am an idiot... i had "auth eth1" instead of "auto eth1" drrrrr
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12:43<richard123>alguien que hable español
12:43<richard123>nesecito ayuda
12:44<Bert|>mejo we verstoan dich
12:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:44<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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12:50<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:01<applica>is there someone?
13:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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13:02<Supaplex>what is this, a dating forum? you need someone?
13:02<azeem>Supaplex: I don't see how this is funny
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13:04<Supaplex>I'll just chill then.
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13:06*fxiny sends Supa "dating answer" to BOFH to be published next weekly issue
13:07<Supaplex>!beer fxiny
13:07*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Pils for fxiny
13:09*Supaplex ponders unionfs to make easy patch sets w/o eatting up hordes of diskspace
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13:24<wferi>Hi! How can I find out which packages are not official on my system? aptitude search '!~Odebian~i' does not cut it, as it omits any package which has an official version, even though an other version is installed.
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13:26<zarchne>wferi: good question.
13:26<wferi>thanks :)
13:26<zarchne>Supaplex: people who need people are the luckiest kind
13:27<zarchne>Supaplex: ... and thanks for reminding me of the name of "unionfs".
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13:29<Supaplex>np. I'm now mainly batteling with grsec 2.1.11, as 2.6.25-rc3 or -rc5? builds for usermode linux :)
13:29<zarchne>wferi: so you want a list of packages installed on your system whose version numbers do not equal those in an official archive.
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13:29<Supaplex>that unionfs has -odf and all mainline now. \o/
13:30<wferi>exactly. Basically, what packages are installed from backports...
13:30<wferi>no need to come up with some script comparing version numbers, I can do that.
13:31<wferi>just thought it must be easy, like everybody wants to know this.
13:31<wferi>and it almost is...
13:31<wferi>apt-cache policy does sth like that, aptitude search can do similar things...
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13:33<Supaplex>oh noes, you're going to look at the sources? *gasp* and we left them online. </mellodrama>
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13:34<Supaplex>wferi: sounds cool enough :)
13:34<zarchne>wferi: Well, you've got a better handle on it than I do.
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13:35<wferi>I (or we) must be overlooking something. At least that's like I feel.
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13:36<maks> E [11/Mar/2008:18:39:03 +0100] [Job 1716] pdftops-options: -cfg /etc/cups/pdftops.conf
13:36<maks>E [11/Mar/2008:18:39:03 +0100] [Job 1716] /usr/bin/pdftops exited with exit code 1
13:36<maks>E [11/Mar/2008:18:39:03 +0100] [Job 1716] Empty print file!
13:36<maks>how can i beat stupid cupsys in shape
13:37<fxiny>plastic surgery ?
13:38<Supaplex>why'd it exit with ec 1?
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13:38<maks>ah nice out of xdvi he prints but not out of evince
13:38<maks>one should start loving buggy software
13:38<maks>Supaplex: no idea, how do i find out?
13:38<Supaplex>what log was that from?
13:38<Supaplex>cups supposeldy has its own too
13:39<maks>an evince dvi print
13:40<Supaplex>last time I debugged a similar cups issue, I renamed pdftops to orig.pdftops and make a shell script to wrap and log all i/o with 'mktemp' files
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13:40<maks>Outstanding bugs -- Normal bugs; Unclassified (151 bugs)
13:41<sandra> kef,ejnrei,weujbreujijfmnjjnfujwu uj37yuvhhghh39i43gbjre 89re
13:41<zarchne>Come to think of it, I have that same problem (as maks) on occasion.
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13:43<zarchne>Now why is my dmz server spending 33% cpu on events/0? It this some kind of attack?
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13:43<maks>Supaplex: yep nice hint, don't feel for it right now.
13:43<tq|Memph>where can i learn basic commands
13:44<zarchne>tq|Memph: You mean like a unix user's tutorial?
13:44<Supaplex>maks: ditto :)
13:44<tq|Memph>because i have alot of questions
13:45<tq|Memph>i tryed to install irrsi @ debian but i had failed
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13:46<zarchne>tq|Memph: failed?
13:46<Supaplex>!don't work
13:46<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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13:47<tq|Memph>i had failed bcuz i havent got glim glid or somthing like that
13:47<zarchne>tq|Memph: using aptitude?
13:47<tq|Memph>what is it?
13:48<tq|Memph>i'm newbie :(
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13:48<amphi>tq|Memph: you tried to compile irssi?
13:48<tq|Memph>:)) he knows my language ^^
13:48<amphi>tq|Memph: it's packaged by debian; just install it
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13:49<tq|Memph>i have not only connection problem , but also i dont know the commands like "atp-get blablabla.."
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13:49<zarchne>Okay, first of all, if you ask "what are you using for $x" in the channel, you're going to get what the experts use, not necessarily what's most newbie-friendly.
13:50<xpl>i have upgraded my dist from etch to lenny and now iceweasel cant load some sites, for example
13:50<tq|Memph>i didnt understand you zarchne
13:50<xpl>its a 64-bit machine (and system)
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13:52<zarchne>tq|Memph: I assume you're trying to install irssi because that's what people answered when you asked here what they use for irc, right?
13:52<tq|Memph>i'm using xp now
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13:52<tq|Memph>i want to use irc on @ debian so that i asked how can i bla bla
13:53<zarchne>tq|Memph: But you have a debian installation, on dual boot?
13:53<tq|Memph>dual boot?
13:54<tq|Memph>i have xp and debian on this comp
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13:54<zarchne>tq|Memph: simultaneously with virtualization, or dual booting?
13:54<tq|Memph>xp knows the DNS configs but @ debian it doesnt work correctly
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13:54<themill>tq|Memph: let's work on one problem at a time.
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13:55<qq>mmi please /j #debian-ro
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13:55<tq|Memph>dual boot
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13:55<tq|Memph>40 gb for xp 40 gb for debian
13:56<zarchne>tq|Memph: okay. And you're using Gnome or KDE or don't know?
13:56<tq|Memph>but i dont know how does it work
13:56<tq|Memph>just get me a link dont waste of time with me
13:56<zarchne>tq|Memph: And you're able to log in and select programs from the "foot" menu, right?
13:57<tq|Memph>i can learn with tutorials
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13:57<zarchne>I recommend xchat-gnome.
13:57<tq|Memph>NO NO
13:57<tq|Memph>cpu asking me before starts XP or Debian
13:58<zarchne>tq|Memph: I got you.
13:58<zarchne>I recommend xchat-gnome for IRC.
13:58<zarchne>for now.
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13:58<tq|Memph>xchat-gnome ok
13:59<chanibal>Hi, i am in need of a second xorg server running along with the base one, anyone has an idea what am i supposed to type?
14:00<zarchne>if you don't see it, "aptitude install xchat-gnome" from root's command line...
14:00<chanibal>It would be best if it had a fixed keyboard shortcut like alt+ctrl+f12 or smth
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14:00<cahoot>startx --:1 (or such)
14:00<zarchne>tq|Memph: got it, "aptitude install"?
14:00<cahoot>chanibal: unless xephyr does what you want
14:01<chanibal>"Server is already active for display 0", then it complains about not being able to connect to :0.0
14:01<chanibal>"X" works, but all i get is a gray screen and cursor, i need skype to run there
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14:02<themill>tq|Memph: did you say that your network settings aren't right under debian?
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14:02<zarchne>chanibal: configure gdm
14:02<chanibal>and i can't X to get any command paramters
14:02<chanibal>ok, haven't looked in gdm
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14:03<tq|Memph><themill : yes
14:03<tq|Memph>got DNS problems
14:03<zarchne>chanibal: assuming you're using gdm, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
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14:03<themill>tq|Memph: then we'd better sort them out as you won't be able to download xchat from within debian if we don't do that first...
14:03<tq|Memph>thats the point
14:03<zarchne>themill: good point.
14:04<tq|Memph>i'm using usb
14:04<tq|Memph>downloing from xp
14:04<tq|Memph>than uploing it to debian
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14:04<seanius>JasonF: how'd the build go?
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14:06<JasonF>seanius: ended up getting it to work!
14:06<JasonF>seanius: now I'm trying to integrate our php5-apc build into pbuilder
14:06<zarchne>chanibal: In case you miss it in the gdm.conf comments, /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf is good to look at for comparison.
14:06<JasonF>and I'm fighting a phantom error
14:06<JasonF>dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./php5-apc-3' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `php5-apc-1.0'
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14:07<fxiny>tq|Memph: check /etc/resolv.conf for nameserver entry , and /etc/network/interfaces for dns-nameservers
14:07<JasonF>seanius: I think the fac there are two "-" in the name upsets it.
14:07<tq|Memph>i tryed that too but
14:07<tq|Memph>debian automoticly changing mines
14:07<tq|Memph>i'm wrting nameserver ..
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14:07<tq|Memph>than debian changing my inputs
14:08<themill>tq|Memph: what does it change it to?
14:08<chanibal>can't find anything of interest in there :/
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14:08<zarchne>that accursed resolvconf packages that is supposed to take care of it for you.
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14:08<tq|Memph>dont know :(
14:08<tq|Memph>as i mentioned before i'm newbie
14:09<themill>tq|Memph: you said that your changes got overwritten... were the changed to something like "nameserver"?
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14:09<zarchne>themill: Probably the other way around.
14:09<tq|Memph>let me tell you more simple
14:10<tq|Memph>i'm using my conn. with my brother
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14:10<tq|Memph>my real ip is85.105.123.96
14:10<tq|Memph>with modem i'm using
14:10<tq|Memph>mine is
14:10<tq|Memph>@ dns there only one which is
14:10<ravenbird>I can't find the address there only one which is in DNS
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14:11<themill>ravenbird: shut up
14:11<ravenbird>why should i?
14:11<themill>bloody bots
14:11<themill>dpkg: kill ravenbird
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14:11<fxiny>tq|Memph: is /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider #usepeerdns commented out ?
14:11<JasonF>wrong window
14:12<chanibal>i remember seing once on a blog something that had a simple command to like quake in the second xorg
14:12<tq|Memph>my it happens bcuz of mine poor modem?
14:12<chanibal>i think this would be enough
14:12<themill>tq|Memph: do you connect to your modem using a usb cable, a network cable, wireless?
14:12<chanibal>cant find it through
14:12<themill>zarchne: I'm thinking the ISPs dns server got overwritten by the modem's dhcp setting but the modem is giving duff dns lookups.... perhaps...
14:12<tq|Memph>not usb
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14:13<tq|Memph>not wireless
14:13<tq|Memph>network cable from me to my modem
14:13<tq|Memph>as my brother
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14:13<fxiny>tq|Memph: grep dns /etc/ppp/peers/*
14:13<themill>tq|Memph: ok, that's good. In your xp installation, do you know what the dns servers are? Are they the 192... ones or the 193... ones
14:13<me>can someone tell me how to check the filesystem type for a hard device
14:14<me>*hard disc
14:14<tq|Memph>yes i can check
14:14<themill>fxiny: I'd be surprised if ppp were involved in this at all.
14:14<zarchne>chanibal: "startx -- :1" should work, also.
14:14<tq|Memph>DHCP and DNS are same
14:14<themill>fxiny: and he's on dual boot, so random commands like that are hard to do.
14:14<tq|Memph>in xp
14:15<fxiny>themill: there are three places to look into : resolv.conf interfaces and that one . mine is commented since ever
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14:15<themill>tq|Memph: OK. So that *should* work under debian too. :)
14:15<fxiny>themill: ahhh is not on debian ? i see
14:16<tq|Memph>maybe i can install ubuntu , is it fix the problem automotcly or not?
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14:16<themill>fxiny: :) Also, ppp should not be used as it's not pppoe but a ethernet connection to the modem
14:16<themill>tq|Memph: won't be any different
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14:16<chanibal>ok, startx works, i'll play with that and if things won't work, i'll bother you again; thanks for the help
14:17<tq|Memph>then i have to find a person who knows how to fix that shit
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14:17<themill>tq|Memph: So when you had in your /etc/resolv.conf, what didn't work? In what way didn't it work?
14:17<tq|Memph>for example i'm wrting
14:17<tq|Memph>i have no screen but
14:17<tq|Memph>i'm using googl's ip
14:18<tq|Memph>like 83.543.123.345
14:18<xpl>I get an "failed to send trigger packet. sendto() failed" in odccm when i try to connect my pda to pc using synce. does anybody know what could be the problem?
14:18<tq|Memph>it works
14:18<fxiny>themill: damn .ok , i shoul'd have scrolled up a bit :))
14:19<themill>tq|Memph: but when you had your ISPs dns server in there and not your modem, it worked ok, yes?
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14:20*zarchne is letting themill handle tq|Memph's problem.
14:21<themill>zarchne: thanks... I think... ;)
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14:23<seanius>JasonF: its' that the source directory doesn't match a particular format, but it's not a fatal error
14:24<seanius>the particular format being srcpkg-srcvers
14:24<JasonF>seanius: yeah, well, srcpkg="php5-apc"
14:25<JasonF>so in my case the format fails :)
14:25<seanius>it's okay to have -'s in the name
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14:29<tq|Memph>themill should use static ip?
14:29<tq|Memph>should i
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14:30<themill>tq|Memph: that would be one way of solving the problem. Another is to tell your modem to stop handing out wrong nameservers. Another is to configure debian to ignore your modem as a nameserver and to use your ISPs nameserver instead.
14:30<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.
14:30<tq|Memph>yes i read that
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14:31<themill>My preferred solution to this is one of the last two approaches, but chattr is crude and very effective too.
14:31<tq|Memph>thank you
14:32<themill>tq|Memph: no worries...
14:32<fxiny>or using dnsmasq
14:32<JasonF>seanius: then if my directory is "/php5-apc-3.0" then why is it erroring?
14:33<tq|Memph>The DNS configuration of machines behind the firewall is simple and doesn't depend on the details of the ISP's dns servers
14:33<tq|Memph>dnsmasq can work
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14:34<tq|Memph>which one for me
14:34<fxiny>but chattr is somehow leet
14:34<fxiny>in the sense it cuts right to the thing
14:35<themill>fxiny: does dnsmasq play nicely with resolvconf? i.e. will the dhcp-supplied dns server screw up dnsmasq?
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14:36<chealer>fxiny: yes, I am that chealer. thank you
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14:36<fxiny>themill: i use dnsmasq on all my boxes , withan antigoogle banner-host file
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14:37<fxiny>chealer: so i want to tell you again : tx for your support
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14:37<chealer>fxiny: it's a pleasure :)
14:38<tq|Memph>fxiny its very complex for me
14:39<fxiny>tq|Memph: as you can see debian offers many alternatives , giving time you'll master all
14:40<seanius>JasonF: that by itself is not an error, it's just a warning
14:40<seanius>but the warning is because the version doesn't match what you have in ./debian/changelog most likely
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14:40<tq|Memph>debian > all :p
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14:42<fxiny>themill: nope : as far as i know dhcp works fine too
14:43<JasonF>seanius: true, but it's making my package as "php5-apc-1.0" so warning or not it has a pragmatic affect :)
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14:45<JasonF>seanius: aah, changelog said 1.0. Thanks! :)
14:47<zarchne>I set up a full bind9 installation, but I don't recommend it for others.
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14:48<qq>zarchne: how much take it ?
14:48<tq|Memph>zarchne i'm undergraduate student do you know any c language channel @ irc for getting help , sometimes getting hard at problems
14:49<zarchne>tq|Memph: Look around on freenode?
14:49<amphi>tq|Memph: ##c on freenode, perhaps
14:49<zarchne>qq: what?
14:50<tq|Memph>thank you my angels
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14:52<qq>zarchne: setting up bind9 installation , but sorry i tough you mean configuration :-)
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14:54<zarchne>qq: Yes, I did mean that I set up bind, configure it. Lots of places. But it's one of my favorite jobs at work; I don't expect other people to find it tasty.
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14:56<zarchne>the description of dnsmasq sounds like it's a worthwhile thing.
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14:57<qq>my first bind config took to me ~ week/s ;)
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14:58<zarchne>I love how, once you understand it, it's so simple.
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15:00<qq>yes, but only after, not before !
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15:03<PhYrE>Just loading Perl's Net::DNS in a simple 'use Net::DNS' alone in a script takes 7MB (crashes on 6) on Debian 3.1 but requires over 23MB (crashes on 20MB) on Debian 4.0? What options are available to knock some sense into Perl, and why has the application or its configuration changed so drastically?
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15:05<zarchne>PhYrE: I'm not sure, but remember, perl has always optimized in favor of speed in space/speed trade-offs.
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15:10<zarchne>(and also, Net::DNS being slow used to be documented as a bug in the man page... well, still is. So maybe they're trying everything they can think of.
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15:15<fxiny>"knock some sense into perl" ? sacrilege !
15:16*fxiny lights a candle to his Larry Wall altar
15:16*zarchne laughs.
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15:17<PhYrE>zarchne: I'm just very surprised. I am migrating a 3.1 server to 4.0 and was surprised to see things crash and crash. Then I upped the memory softlimits by several times to see success. Testing even just loading the module alone showed almost 3 times the memory usage. Crashing at 20MB of space before even running a script seems like something is loading by default that shouldn't be.
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15:19<zarchne>PhYrE: I suspect not many people are that careful with ulimit. I thought I was being anal setting one on myself just in case.
15:19<fxiny>i'm suprised about those crashes , not about memory usage : on my old PII sarge was faster then etch . i've switched to fluxbox
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15:20<zarchne>fxiny: He's doing it to himself, you understand.
15:23<fxiny>zarchne: yes . maybe he upset some (perl) god ;)
15:23<fxiny>PhYrE: :)
15:24<PhYrE>well it's trying to alloc memory and failing. With <10MB it exits with just a 'killed'. With >10MB it exits with various errors trying to load Net::DNS and malloc errors. I don't think it's the fault of anything in particular. I'm more wondering if there's some compile configuration or option that someone did to make Perl gain a bit of weight *smirk*
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15:25<fxiny>PhYrE: this is a sarge 2 etch box : i have no problems .
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15:28<zarchne>fxiny: No, I mean, he's literally setting the memory limits low so that the scripts will crash if they use more than he thinks they should.
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15:28<fxiny>zarchne: ahhhh , i got you know ! :)
15:28<fxiny>that's a good answer
15:29<zarchne>"I upped the memory softlimits"
15:30<zarchne>See, I'm enough of a sysadmin to know that that can be done, but not so paranoid I actually shoot myself in the foot with it.
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15:31*zarchne grins.
15:31<zarchne>Or when I do, I blame myself.
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15:32<christoph>Hi, anyone an idea, why sambas says: Could not connect to machine NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE when running smbpasswd?
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15:33<burr>i'm never used samba ))
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15:33<enouf>fxiny: !!
15:33<engywuck>samba not running?
15:33<enouf>no porbs?
15:33<fxiny>enouf: hey !
15:34<fxiny>enouf: ready for debconf ? :))
15:34<enouf>fxiny: was your faster p2 sarge using 2.4.27? or 2.6.8?
15:34<matthewpoer>samba surver not running?
15:34<matthewpoer>it's trying to connect to your local box
15:34<fxiny>enouf: 2.6
15:34<enouf>fxiny: my p2 is faster on etch with a 2.6.16, was a sarge->etch --> lenny/sid frankenstein
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15:35<enouf>i shouldn't say etch though, it's not etch
15:35<christoph>samba runs
15:35<enouf>fxiny: isn't debconf in argentina or brasilio this year? august?
15:35<fxiny>enouf: i've tryid bpo 2.6.22 on this box . normal kernel and vserver kernel .
15:36<enouf>fxiny: got any bloat? ;-)
15:36<fxiny>enouf: we don't care where is it : we'll streamripp debconf like last year :)
15:36<fxiny>on chan hahahahah
15:36<enouf>ahh .. right!
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15:36<enouf>Ogg/Theora ftw ;-)
15:36<christoph>We found the error, smbpasswd was broken , weve added the users again
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15:37<fxiny>enouf: i'm using official debian kernel now . the main problem is ssh and io . i've swithced to vsftpd and lftp
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15:39<fxiny>enouf: i can still run two vservers so i'm happy . my fast fat box runs an encrypted fs : LUKS-urious
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15:39<enouf>fxiny: hrm, .. maybe er, play with the IOSCHED? how's your HZ settings? 250 now? was 1000?
15:39<enouf>fxiny: bingo ;-)
15:39<fxiny>enouf: nice one!
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15:43<fxiny>enouf: anyway : iceweasel runs always at least 5 tabs , 4 or 5 (r)torrents , 9 mrxvt tabs , emacs on full bloath muse+ecb, xmms2 , many cron jobs . gmail opens in 40 seconds (sic!) . can windows users do the same ? ;)
15:44<fxiny>and irss + screen !
15:44<fxiny>i'm standing on the moon like old dear Jerry Garcia
15:45<enouf>haha, i had phone call - but back now ;-)
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15:47<enouf>fxiny: i got 50 windows oprn in links2, on two irc servers and in ~10 channels in a GUI irc client, i got Dillo browser open, i got 10 xterms (tabs) in konsole going ... and i can compile a kernel if i like O_o no porbs ;-)
15:47<enouf>fxiny: p2 350 100fsb w/320ram
15:47<matthewpoer>fxiny - wth?
15:47<matthewpoer>350mb of ram?
15:48<matthewpoer>* i mean, 350 mhz cpu?
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15:48<enouf>me, yes
15:48<_shai_>I can do better ;) 2.80Ghz P4, 64Mb ram.
15:48<fxiny>matthewpoer: nahhh : second hand ram up to 224444 ;)
15:48<enouf>_shai_: haha, many many RIMMs?
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15:48<fxiny>matthewpoer: PII 400 deshutes
15:49<enouf>er CRIMMs and one lightwight 64 MB RIMM?
15:49<fxiny>i can run it at 200 if i want
15:49<_shai_>To be honest, it's just because I'm running Xen. The machine has 1Gb but it's running about 10 virtual machines.
15:49<matthewpoer>i've got a p3 800mhz 256mb and OpenOffice is soo slow
15:49<enouf>fxiny: mines Deschutes too
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15:49<matthewpoer>idk if i could open all those things, either
15:49<_shai_>matthewpoer: I don't see how your specs are relevant. OO is _always_ slow.
15:49<fxiny>enouf: yes ? so we are real silicon-brothers !
15:49<matthewpoer>really? I thought it was a POS
15:49<_shai_>I hear the NSA tried it on their quantum computers once.
15:50<_shai_>They're still looking at the splash screen.
15:50<matthewpoer>lol. okay - OOo is bloated. But it still beats AbiWord and Koffice
15:51<_shai_>I've never used either of them. Mind you, I try to avoid all 'productivity' suites.
15:51<fxiny>matthewpoer: you'd better leave gnumeric alone :)
15:51<fxiny>gnumeric rox
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15:51<matthewpoer>i like gnumeric for quick basic stuff
15:51<matthewpoer>but it doesn't do everything OOo or Excel does
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15:51<matthewpoer>I want to learn latex stuff - just haven't yet, I guess.
15:52<matthewpoer>those editors are faster, yes?
15:52<schichtleita>hi, i have the following problem, @debian unstable. i have setup a cups printing setup which is printing to a lexmark network printer. in Opera - everything prints out fine. in xpdf, nothing gets through to the printer regardless which "print command" i specify in the GUI - "lpr"(default) "| lpr" or "lpr -PmyPrinter" or "| lpr -PmyPrinter". Anyone got an idea
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15:52<_shai_>Same here. I've been meaning to learn. I don;t know how to use it, but it's still less frustrating to use than Word.
15:52<fxiny>is a good time for learning : plenty of books are floating on the canyons ...
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15:53*matthewpoer is going to the library tomorrow, anyway...
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15:54<enouf>schichtleita: really not a clue, but i recently found an interesting man page $ man tunelp , but it's not likely going to help you
15:55<enouf>schichtleita: cups should be configured in http://localhost:631 .. admin? or something? using KDE?
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15:58<fxiny>enouf: you running kde ?
15:59<enouf>fxiny: pieces of it :-p
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16:00<fxiny>my mrxvt tabs limit is 50 :)
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16:00<enouf>fxiny: i;m hooked on this gui irc client, konsole tabbed xterms and klipper (1000 last clipboard)
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16:00<fxiny>clip ? i use xclip
16:01<enouf>fxiny: i had at one time, everything above going whil watching a live stream rtsp in mplayer and compiling a kernel |O_O|
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16:01<enouf>fxiny: xclip stores last 1000? searchable too?
16:02<fxiny>enouf: hahah yes ! iceweasel complains about funny urls , hehehehe
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16:02<enouf>fxiny: x<things> are NASTY looking, try xfontsel .. lol
16:02*enouf hides
16:02<fxiny>no , i mean i cannot search , xclip is tricky
16:02<enouf>that would piss me off right there
16:03<enouf>fxiny: i won't touch anything Firepoop anymore, nothing Gecko, nothing XUL/XSL crap
16:03<enouf>no web 2.0 for me :-P
16:04<enouf>i'm still waiting for them to fix web 0.1
16:04<fxiny>enouf: i hate firebug yes , it takes my box over
16:04<enouf>fxiny: fwiw, i hear 3.x beta is better
16:04<fxiny>it is better with gmail
16:04<enouf>(somewhat) .. mem leak fixed?
16:05<fxiny>4 and 5 are coming
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16:06<fxiny>dunno what but gmail sucks , since a couple of months
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16:06<fxiny>40 seconds to open , beta3 is faster
16:06<eldowan>fxiny: I've noticed no decline in performance.
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16:07<fxiny>eldowan: because you run a fast box , i bet
16:07<enouf>fxiny: yeah, i just got done telling a -dev list that i'd love to file a bug report but i only have webmail setup, and i refuse to use it
16:07<enouf>fxiny: i need to setup a local MTA and MUA here, like mutt
16:07<eldowan>fxiny: true enouf, true enouf
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16:07<enouf>fxiny: saying "email" makes me break out in hives
16:14<fxiny>eldowan: same box beta3 opens in 14-15 seconds . could be some jscript version ?
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16:14<fxiny>eldowan: mutt ?
16:14<enouf>fxiny: so i did the next best thing. pastebin ;-)
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16:14<enouf>fxiny: /join the -dev channel and explained
16:14<enouf>er i /joined
16:14<fxiny>enouf: mutt ? i use nice macros with mutt
16:14<eldowan>fxiny: aah, I don't touch the firefox set. I'm a happy opera user.
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16:14<fxiny>eldowan: opera is ok yes
16:14<enouf>fxiny: no GUI mail clients, i'm sick of all this GUI bloat nonsense
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16:14<fxiny>enouf: mutt : ALT f > fetchmail > down to bogofilter-procmail and mutt scores ! ahhhh
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16:14<enouf>haha :-P
16:14<fxiny>and mailfilter preconnects to kills bad mails
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16:14<enouf>fxiny: sometimes i accidentally hit F1 while in GUI .. that happens to be kde help center - takes 50 seconds to open, and cannot be interupted while it's trying and choking on it's own vomit
16:14<fxiny>enouf: i always used only mutt
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16:14<fxiny>enouf: kde ? flux rulez here . i don't need mouse to launch my favourite apps. mouse is just for emacs
16:14<enouf>fxiny: i never (well hardly ever) use mouse to launch apps
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16:14<fxiny>enouf: :)
16:14<themill>enouf: rebind that F1 key so it's not a problem... (and's help is even slower to come up... ;(
16:14<enouf>fxiny: i told you why it's pieces are on here .. though if i trudged through 100 other things and spent 50 years deciding which i like after setting up each WM, *box etc, then maybe, i'd find something i can use - but even then, i highly doubt it
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16:15<noli>hello ?
16:15<matthewpoer>noli: hello
16:16<noli>matthewpoer, hi
16:16<noli>May I ask something ?
16:16<fxiny>enouf: i won't move form fluxland , about mutt i use muttprofile and urlview
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16:17<zarchne>dpkg: tell noli about ask
16:18<enouf>fxiny: ok then, i'm coming to you when i try and set it all up ;-)
16:18<fxiny>enouf: back in woody i used kde . which was damn fast and good , i mean those "Ralf Nolden lost packages" were so good
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16:18<matthewpoer>noli, just ask.
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16:19<fxiny>i downloaded most of them with a 56k usrobotics modem , all sunday . the monday after he removed 'em ! hahahah
16:20<noli>I am using ubuntu, but I was curious to put debian ( i am not expert at all), so I download CD 1 lenny and I installed debian.. I cou not start Graphic mode, and so I had to reinstall ubuntu to ask infos...
16:20<matthewpoer>who is ralf nolden?
16:20<matthewpoer>noli, did everything install? if so, 'startx' will start, if it is installed and configured.
16:20<enouf>noli: laptop? installation went well in general?
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16:21<fxiny>enouf: i still have the full woody cd collection somewhere
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16:21<fxiny>i bought 'em
16:21<noli>I had problem with DHDP so I didnt do it, and then another problem at the end of the installation which I dont remember..
16:22<enouf>fxiny: fire it up :-p
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16:22<noli>then I start debian at installation complete
16:22<noli>and I was in shell.
16:22<enouf>noli: wifi?
16:22<noli>I have a Sony Vaio, Intel centrino.
16:22<noli>enouf si wifi
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16:22<dpkg>[laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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16:23<enouf>try as well
16:23<noli>do you think is a problem related to my laptop ?
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16:24<enouf>noli: intel "centrino" is just a marketing gimmick to mean their own chipset + wifi + onboard graphics or somecrap
16:24<enouf>noli: likely to the wifi, and other things - no network could be an issue, especially if you needed stuff not found on CD 1
16:24<mahjoub>someone there,
16:25<noli>what should I do ? is not a good idea debian for beginner, right ?
16:25<noli>I am really interested in learning but without grphic to start the system is very difficul.
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16:25<enouf>noli: you could also grap cd 2 and 3 maybe an use apt-cdrom, apt-setup, but if it's some wifi issue, that'll definitely need overcoming, you could try a kmuto installer
16:25<zarchne>These days it's typical for X window system to work out of the box, I think, unless you deselect it? So if you're having trouble with it, it may be related to your hardware.
16:26<enouf>!tell noli about kmuto
16:26<matthewpoer>noli, you may need to find a 'restricted' (i.e. not-free) driver or firmware to use your laptop. OR you could just use wired ethernet during install- those usually work
16:26<enouf>mahjoub: right .. said well
16:26<enouf>er matthewpoer
16:26<matthewpoer>mahjoub, people are here. yes.
16:26<noli>I try to connect the cable during installation but nothing..
16:27<matthewpoer>noli, you may need to connect it before installation
16:27<matthewpoer>when dhcp is trying to use it
16:27<noli>at the command apt-get I use to have always an error which say something related to Lerry_ CD
16:27<matthewpoer>was the CD in the drive?
16:27<noli>Block intigrity..
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16:27<enouf>noli: you could try to also learn some shell things, so you can help yourself better, try and
16:28<themill>!general cli tutorial
16:28<dpkg>methinks general cli tutorial is
16:28<enouf>so .. there's your options so far
16:28<matthewpoer>block integrity errors make me think the disc is broken in some way... anyone else should weight in on that, though
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16:28<noli>I am writing down..
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16:28<noli>so I would like to rety to install it
16:28<enouf>themill: i have that bookmarked too - add to that
16:28<enouf>please ;-)
16:28<noli>which is the easier way ? I ve a good line... what should I download ?
16:28<fxiny>matthewpoer: the story goes like this : he was a developper saying somehting like : "i work for a company bla bla . i can package what ppl ask and upload to a rep . just ask ". this in kde mailing list . plenty of requests . then the packages were know as "the lost packages" cause after a while that company waanted all packahes removed , i still have most of 'em somewhere
16:29<enouf>i forget tjhe dpkg is also ~= something syntax
16:29<xutu>is there some virtualization setup that would let me try a live cd without rebooting ?
16:29<themill>dpkg: general cli tutorial is also
16:29<dpkg>okay, themill
16:29<fxiny>matthewpoer: a german bloke
16:29<enouf>rofl themill .. bastage :-p
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16:29<matthewpoer>fxiny, anything worth having? for the end-user?
16:29<fxiny>matthewpoer: are woody packages
16:30<enouf>themill: i guess i meant the search/replace sed/perl syntax
16:30<zarchne>xutu: presumably xen would get you that, but I can't say from experience.
16:30<zarchne>no, I take that back.
16:30<matthewpoer>xutu, qemu is always fun
16:30<matthewpoer>very easy to setup, espcially with qemu-launcher
16:31<themill>enouf: the "is also" syntax is often enough. Just occasionally it makes a mess of the factoid with lots of ", or" in there and it needs something more. (it's factoid =~ s/exp/sub/ and it's picky about spaces. you can use # instead of / if you have urls.)
16:31<noli>Which debian should I download to don't have all this problem ? if the cd is somehow broken I would download anotherone.. which is the best deb to download now ?
16:31<themill>enouf: in that case, the replace syntax would be a pain as the factoid only contained the url...
16:31<enouf>themill: righto, thanks .. i'll forget that too ;-)
16:31<themill>enouf: :)
16:31<xutu>matthewpoer: thx. will check it out
16:32<matthewpoer>xutu, just apt-get install qemu-launcher qemu kqemu
16:32<matthewpoer>kqemu is contrib (or non-free) i think, in etch... but it lets qemu run much faster
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16:33<themill>it's in non-free in etch
16:33<matthewpoer>It's something I discuss extensively in an article on my own weblog:
16:33<enouf>themill: i bet you could use a , as a sepatator? or only / or # ? i know sed can use most anything, but i know nothing about perl syntax
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16:33<matthewpoer>isn't it in main in lenny/sid?
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16:33<themill>matthewpoer: yes. the licence was changed at about the time etch was released.
16:33<enouf>gah .. separater
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16:33<themill>!info kqemu-source sid
16:33<themill>!info kqemu-source etch
16:33<dpkg>kqemu-source: (Source for the QEMU Accelerator module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.0~pre11-8 (sid), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
16:33<dpkg>kqemu-source: (Source for the QEMU Accelerator module), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.0~pre9-12 (etch), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
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16:34<enouf>oh, kqemu went completely FLOSS, iinm
16:34<enouf>i recall that
16:34<matthewpoer>!info iinm
16:35<enouf>and qemu works perhaps in tandem a bit with kvm?
16:35<dpkg>iinm is probably If I'm Not Mistaken
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16:35<themill>enouf: separators can only be from a defined list. / # and perhaps @ but other separators that you would be able to use in perl you can't necessarily use on dpkg. I can't remember the exact list from wading through the source. Ask don if you're interested....
16:35<matthewpoer>i want to learn how to use that bot so badly...
16:35<matthewpoer>!dpkg bot
16:35<enouf>themill: thank you for your reply, i kind of thought so
16:35<dpkg>i guess dpkgbot is Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
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16:36<matthewpoer>damnit that was clsoe
16:36<xutu>this is very nice... i could launch the CD in 1 min after installing the packages
16:36<matthewpoer><3 qemu, yes?
16:37<xutu>but it hijacked my X mouse and keyboard (not ctrl-alt-f1 luckily). I guess I have to read up
16:37<xutu>matthewpoer: yup, qemu
16:37<matthewpoer>xutu, press 'contrl+alt' to get your mouse back, then just refocus your window
16:38<matthewpoer>also, it only seems to work with my left contrl + left alt. i don't know why.
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16:38<fxiny>enouf: are you using klipper to hold notes ? i use note for that
16:38<enouf>matthewpoer: /msg dpkg search dpkg as well
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16:38<enouf>fxiny: nah, just Cut / Copy and Paste
16:38<enouf>fxiny: i mean mostly URLs
16:39<enouf>but sometimes text and whatnot
16:39<xutu>nice... the problem is now that the CD doesn't work when i boot it directly, but works perfectly with qemu
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16:39<fxiny>yes , i keep url and long cli in note
16:39<matthewpoer>xutu, are BIOS ready to boot from cd
16:39<tingle>xutu: do you got your bios settings correct?
16:39<xutu>matthewpoer: sure.
16:40<enouf>!doesn't work
16:40<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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16:40<fxiny>enouf: i remember klipper . yes
16:40<matthewpoer>maybe a problem with acpi things... qemu emulates (virtualizes?) a very basic x86 machine by default
16:40<me>does anyone know if there is a way to have access to my mysql database after it is broken? (i just want to copy the database to a new mysql server)
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16:40<xutu> it complains it cannot find a KNOPPIX filesystem. I know I should now move to a knoppix forum.
16:40<me>*after the server is broken
16:40<enouf>rofl xutu
16:41<xutu>it seems not to detect the cdrom drive correctly
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16:41<enouf>dude, wrong installer
16:41<enouf>wrong distro even
16:41<matthewpoer>me: how broken is it?
16:41<xutu>enouf: thanks, that's helpful
16:41<zarchne>me: you are aware of /var/lib/mysql, right?
16:42*matthewpoer isn't aware of /var/lib/mysql
16:42<enouf>xutu: why didn't you ask in #gentoo or #slackware?
16:42<enouf>xutu: i'm sure they know all about knoppix
16:42<fxiny>a knoppix filesystem ? wtf ? i need to check knoppix planet , what is he doing ?
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16:43<matthewpoer>i think a knoppix filesystem is how knoppix puts the filesystem on the ramdisk... maybe?
16:43<fxiny>it seems to me yesterday i moved to ext3 :P
16:43<me>zarchne: no i am not but will check that imediately
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16:43<me>matthewpoer: i wont have access to it any more
16:43*matthewpoer now knows about /var/lib/mysql and is happy to have learned something today
16:43<xutu>matthewpoer: i think the message is probably just wrongly worded
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16:43<enouf>xutu: i could probably even help you IF you had gotten very very specific, however it's OT here, and i'm tired - i'm not being a meanie ;-)
16:43<xutu>it just can't find the cd drive
16:43<maschel>Can someone help me with this question: All my services are have my external address as local address while i wan't them to listen on how do i configurate this?
16:44<xutu>doesn't scan /dev/scdXX it seems
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16:44<xutu>under qemu it does
16:44<enouf>but b/c it's that error, makes me think it COULD be something else though
16:44<matthewpoer>xutu, does it boot into... anything? X? CLI login?
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16:44<matthewpoer>or kernel panic?
16:44<me>zarchne: so its possible to copy some files from /var/lib/mysql to my new server?
16:44<matthewpoer>qemu's machine and your machine are probably very different.
16:45<zarchne>me: I'm not saying it will work. Just that that's where the data is.
16:45<xutu>matthewpoer: probably indeed :)
16:45<me>zarchne: ok thx. do u know what i have to copy?
16:45<enouf>xutu: two possible kernel boot params i can tell you to try, and that's all i'm going to say about it 1) install generic.all_generic_ide=1 2) libata.atapi_enabled=1
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16:46<matthewpoer>d00d, me, just copy it all, paste to the new machine, and run it! what's to lose?
16:46<xutu>enouf: cool... will try.
16:46<matthewpoer>(j/k lol)
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16:46<enouf>xutu: one last thing, enable AHCI in your BIOS, if available, if not, and only IDE or RAID are the choices, try RAID setting
16:46<Bert>i'm doing an clean install and set a /home moint point to 1.2 TB, is it normal that it takes some time to complete (waiting for 10 minutes now)
16:47<matthewpoer>seems to me, though, using sftp to get the data from one machine to another, cp -R /var/lib/mysql/* to same location on other machine would do it
16:47<dpkg>[ahci] Advanced Host Controller Interface
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16:47*matthewpoer finally asked the bot a question
16:47<zarchne>!tell me about mysql
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16:47<petemc>matthewpoer: it would take a while to create a ext3 fs on a partition that large
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16:47<fxiny>a 1.2 TB home ? wait to complain when fscking at boot ;)
16:48<matthewpoer>oh man, how will dpkg handle 'me' in this situation?
16:48<noflash>!tell zarchne -about self tell
16:48<Bert>do you think fxiny?
16:48<zarchne>noflash: I already got the /msg, as it were.
16:48<enouf>matthewpoer: if you want to know a bit more about that see
16:48<matthewpoer>dpkg? dpkg! zarchne you crashed it!
16:48<fxiny>Bert: yes . 1.2 TB gotta be checked sometimes :)
16:48<Bert>files on that partition will me between 20GB and 100 GB large
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16:49<matthewpoer>geez Bert, may I ask what the hell you're doing over there?
16:49<Bert>the /home will host some vmware discs
16:50<fxiny>that's fine . but still you have to wait
16:50<matthewpoer>full installs, then, huh? not bad.
16:50<Bert>unless i split them (and i don't know if that's a good idea) into 2 GB files
16:50<matthewpoer>but yeah, I have to imagine that it's going to take quite a while to format or fsck that disk
16:50<fxiny>is not a file size issue
16:51<Bert>ic :-)
16:51<matthewpoer>I guess if you've got enough system resources, it'll work just fine.
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16:51<Bert>resources? you mean cpu power?
16:51<matthewpoer>and/or RAM
16:51<Bert>18 Ghz with 8 GB ram
16:51<fxiny>oh f* :)
16:52<fxiny>enouf: he has no porbs :)
16:52<matthewpoer>800mhz with 256MB RAM over here...
16:52<Bert>hehe ;-)
16:52<enouf>18GHz, lol
16:52<matthewpoer>all the CPUs in my house are less than a quarter of what you have there
16:52<Bert>well, 8x 2.33 Ghz so ...
16:52<Bert>18,64 ghz
16:52<matthewpoer>is that work-related or are you a cash-heavy hobbiest?
16:53<enouf>erm, an 8 socketed board? 2 x Quads
16:53<Bert>two quads ;-)
16:53<enouf>ofcourse ;-0
16:53<Bert>work related (i'm in the hosting business)
16:53*matthewpoer now desires to be in the hosting business so he can play with cool toys like Bert
16:53<Bert>just messing around with new hardware :p
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16:55<fxiny>no porbs huhuhuhu
16:56<enouf>it's porbfree ;-)
16:56<fxiny>but sony ps3 are used to get much more computing power then quads , and cheaper
16:57<Bert>ps3? the game console?
16:57<Supaplex>fxiny: [citation needed]
16:57<Bert>can you put vmware on a ps3? :p
16:57<fxiny>Supaplex: digg
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16:57<matthewpoer>you can run linux on a ps3, yes
16:57<Bert>ah ic
16:57<fxiny>Supaplex: scientists are using ps3
16:58<matthewpoer>actually, wasn't there an xp or vista on ps3?
16:58*Supaplex ponders Pg running on ps3's
16:58<Bert>i have no idea :p perhaps another question: is there good support from the manufacturer to run linux :p
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16:59<matthewpoer>Sony did some deal with Yellow Dog linux - PS3 shoudl work perfectly
16:59<matthewpoer>iirc from slashdot
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17:00<Supaplex>the worst I'd expect from Sony is 'apathy' - but they wanted to get 'computers' into tarrif zones, so *shrug* maybe their ploy^H^H^H^H^H strategy works?
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17:00<fxiny>Supaplex: it was about space scientist iirc . last week maybe on digg , is all about some special ps3 chips
17:00<me>zarche: ok copied everything from /var/lib/mysql to the new server but nothing happened o.O
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17:01<matthewpoer>sudo /etc/init.d/mysql -restart
17:01<Supaplex>me: so files didn't copy?
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17:01<matthewpoer>or -reload?
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17:01<Supaplex>hopefully it wasn't while the mysql server was running (on either host)
17:02<matthewpoer>oh yeah, i didn't mention to turn it off..
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17:04<me>Supaplex: as i can tell they have been copied but maybe i have to restart mysql :D w8t
17:04<Bert>you are correct, it takes some time to boot
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17:05<Bert>a very very long time actually
17:05<fxiny>Supaplex: one is on the register > search ps3 , guess what it runs :P
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17:06<matthewpoer>Bert - is it running a fsck on it, or just booting?
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17:07*matthewpoer just thought about what beagled or google-desktop would do on Bert's machine
17:07<Bert>no matthew, he hang on: sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
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17:07<Bert>and now, after 5 minutes he gives me an error
17:08<Bert>don't know what to do yet
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17:08<Bert>de says: Done. Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/sdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell
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17:10<Bert>i think i need a newer kernel
17:11<matthewpoer>what is it running?
17:11<Bert>but google doesn't agree :p
17:11<Bert>i have no idea matthewpoer
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17:11<Bert>the standard with rc4
17:11<matthewpoer>etch rc4?
17:11<Bert>erhm sorry
17:12<matthewpoer>so 2.6.18-6ish
17:12<Bert>idd, i suppose
17:12*matthewpoer must tend to the child
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17:13<Bert>i find it strange, why installing works and after reboot he doesn't find the correct drivers in the kernel
17:13<Bert>will install different kernel then, brb
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17:25<agent_double_o>Hey, are there any "gotcha"'s to running a full out xserver/window manager in a chroot?
17:26<agent_double_o>Assuming dev and proc are mounted, it should work the same, yeah?
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17:27<agent_double_o>I want to play around with some stuff that isn't in the stable repos without polluting my base system
17:28<agent_double_o>So I was thinking of just doing a debootstrap, and running xorg/kde/etc.. from within it
17:28<agent_double_o>Modules should be loadable, so long as their compiled against the same kernel sources that the base is using, right?
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17:34<agent_double_o>Earth to #debian...
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17:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:38<me>ok when i copy my /var/lib/mysql to my new server, mysql will not restart
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17:39<blakkino>how to tell apt that i have installed a certain program manually? (and i want to consider it installed while looking for deps)
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17:39<blakkino>i don't remember.. i know there was a way..
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17:42<[machine]>blak: depending on what you were trying to do, checkinstall might help (builds a quick deb from a src install)
17:42<blakkino>thanks.. may be an idea
17:43<blakkino>but i prefer the other way..
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17:43<blakkino>if someone remember it :)
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17:47<`_`>Hi, is there a alternative to apt-mirror? something that actually works like the name says?
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17:53<Ouroboros>does port 123 have to be open for incoming in order for ntpd to work as a client?
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17:54<chealer>blakkino: equivs
17:56<blakkino>thanks :)
17:57<agent_double_o>Ouroboros: I'm almost certain that it doesn't
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17:58<agent_double_o>That would be a horrible flaw
17:59<kernfreak>anyone here used gtkfb?
17:59<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: well, it doesnt appear to work otherwise
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18:00<Ouroboros> | here it says you only need RELATED,ESTABLISHED
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18:03<agent_double_o>Which means that it doesn't need to be open
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18:03<Ouroboros>correct, but it doesnt work for me with that setup
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18:03<agent_double_o>That rule basically blocks all incoming requests, unless established by the client
18:03<Ouroboros>the system date stays unchanged, as soon as i drop the firewall, it gets changed
18:04<Ouroboros>hm, wait a sec
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18:06<Ouroboros>i wonder if it has something to do with vmware nat
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18:07<Ouroboros>although, if these are established connections, the NAT mapping should work
18:07<honeyradiance>Is this the Haiku channel?
18:08<Ouroboros>honeyradiance: sure, how can we help you?
18:08<honeyradiance>I've never done this before. I'm new to IRC
18:09<Ouroboros>honeyradiance: you are in #debian, so...
18:09<agent_double_o>Does ntpdate work, Ouroboros ?
18:09<honeyradiance>I am trying out the Haiku and Beos Max 5 PE for the first time, and I like it
18:09<agent_double_o>or any other client, for that matter
18:10<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: one sec, i think i am confused about some things
18:10<agent_double_o>I never run the daemon
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18:10<Blackgoth>Hi question. i have a PXE boot server which works fine, with apt-mirror i made a local apt mirror for etch and security so i can install a debian system without internet. The problem im having is that apt-mirror is missing stuff, it's skipping files, so my real question is, is there a replacement tool for apt-mirror that works like it should?
18:10<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: didnt ntpdate become deprecated in favor of ntp or something?
18:11<honeyradiance>Yes, I am talking through a Linux box right now.
18:11<agent_double_o>I'm not sure, Ouroboros.
18:11<agent_double_o>Either or.
18:11<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: or there was some kind of change in which package installs the daemon... like ntpdate doesnt install one anymore, so you have to run manually
18:11<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: also from what i understand, ntpdate doesnt correct continuous drift
18:12<agent_double_o>Cron. :)
18:12<Ouroboros>ah heh
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18:18<Ouroboros>well i just realized i am running through at least 2 NATs and 1 firewall, and in some cases ntpd still works, so that is probably not the problem
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18:23<LostPlanet>i am having trouble installing debian on a system which i built recently that has a SATA connection for the Cdrom and Hard drive.
18:23<LostPlanet>also the MB has built-in NIC which does not seem to be being detected
18:24<LostPlanet>i found a web page once that talked about getting PCI codes for devices (perhaps using lspci)
18:24<LostPlanet>does anyone know where this page is (something that lists various codes , what they are for and how well they work)
18:24<LostPlanet>or have any other ideas on what to do
18:25<Ouroboros>what is the problem that you are having with SATA?
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18:25<LostPlanet>cant detect my cdrom
18:26<gsimmons>LostPlanet: Are you attempting to install Etch (4.0)? Which specific motherboard (brand/model) are you using?
18:26<Ouroboros>LostPlanet: for booting the installer or afterward?
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18:26<LostPlanet>the installer starts fine , but fails when it gets to detecting the cd rom
18:26<LostPlanet>(boots from CD)
18:26<LostPlanet>i also tried installing from a thumb drive
18:26<LostPlanet>yes, etch
18:27<LostPlanet>mother board is biostar tseries
18:27<LostPlanet>model is ...
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18:29<LostPlanet>so i do a lspci and get devices and their codes.
18:29<LostPlanet>does anyone know off hand the page that lists those codes and how well they work ?
18:30<LostPlanet>i came across it the other day but can't get back to ti
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18:30<amphi>!tell LostPlanet -about hardware
18:33<LostPlanet>sorry, stepped out
18:33<LostPlanet>back now
18:34<LostPlanet>so amphi do you think the problem is my mother board , or the cd-rom ?
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18:36<LostPlanet>the three links in that "tell" script are all bad
18:36<LostPlanet>that's nice
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18:36<blarson>LostPlanet: most likely etch doesn't have a driver for your sata controler. There is an unofficial site with a backported kerel that may work for you.
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18:38<LostPlanet>what does that mean "backported" kernel
18:38<dpkg>i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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18:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel,,, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
18:40<LostPlanet>now those links look usefull
18:41<dpkg>Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check, or ask me about <hcl>
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18:42<chealer>dpkg: no, hardware is <reply>Before buying any hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. ask me about <hcl>
18:42<dpkg>okay, chealer
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18:43<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: i think the ntp problem was with my other firewall
18:44<LostPlanet>i guess i thought SATA was standard enough that it would just work
18:44<acu>I have a Palm Centro and want to connect to Debian - cannot - I am thinking to buy a usb bluetooth - which one works with debian ?
18:45<Ouroboros>LostPlanet: generally it does, but i guess the particular controller you have does not
18:45<LostPlanet>and that "controller" is most likely on the mother board correct ?
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18:46<Ouroboros>LostPlanet: not entirely sure how that part works.. might also be the drive itself
18:46<agent_double_o>Ouroboros: Cool. Glod you got it worked out.
18:46<agent_double_o>Glad even
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18:47<Ouroboros>agent_double_o: well i still dont know why it blocks it, but thats not a debian question :)
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18:47<Ouroboros>and anyway, i dont care
18:48<Ouroboros>now i just have to figure out how to make the two OS'es not fight over time... they keep setting the clock back or forward by the timezone offset
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18:50<Ouroboros>LostPlanet: is there any information from 'dmesg' regarding what its finding/not finding?
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18:52<LostPlanet>let me check...
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18:57<jumeaux>slt, tout le monde
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19:01<LostPlanet>okay. so i'm not sure
19:02<LostPlanet>i did find in lspci a line that starts with 00:09.0 , SATA controller, nVidia corp. unknown device (0584 (rev a2))
19:02<LostPlanet>when it way trying to find the CD rom device it searched the ide0 and ide1
19:02<LostPlanet>but never said anything about looking on the SATA devices
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19:04<Ouroboros>most likely the etch kernel doesnt support that SATA controller then
19:04<Ouroboros>you could try lenny
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19:05<LostPlanet>hence the unknown device reported by the lspci
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19:05<LostPlanet>i think i will try lenny
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19:07<Ouroboros>if that works, you can try the backport kernel (not sure how easy this method is)
19:08<Ouroboros>here are the available kernels:
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19:12<xpl>does anybody know how can i install ati drivers?
19:12<dpkg>i guess ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list.
19:12<engywuck>!tell xpl about ati
19:12<engywuck>damn, i always forgt the "tell... about" part
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19:13<engywuck>backports has 2.6.22
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19:25<kernfreak>wizardry I tell ya wizardrt
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19:32<panagos>hello people, i have a problem, i try to get a static ip from my dsl router, so i edit /etc/network/interfaces, adding between others a gateway entry, then i restart network-manager, and when i run route -n, i don't see my gateway!
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19:32<petemc>panagos: if you use network-manager, you dont touch the interfaces file
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19:33<panagos>subsequently, i can't connect to the internet (though dns works fine)
19:33<panagos>oh oh oh
19:33<Tommaatti>Hiya , if someone could help me with the following i would be very grateful. Is it possible to make a package that installs other packages
19:33<panagos>petemc: so what do i do? to get a static ip
19:33<petemc>ifup eth0
19:33<Tommaatti>i have some custom build package but i would like to install them as a whole
19:33<petemc>assuming you configured eth0, and correctly
19:33<engywuck>sure, just make a package that depends on the other packages
19:33<panagos>ok, let me try again :)
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19:34<Tommaatti>but will that install the other packages , even if they are just on my local hard drive
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19:34<Tommaatti>they are not in the normal repository
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19:36<panagos>so if i want a static ip, should i uninstall network-manager? or, how do i tell network-manager to use a specific static ip for the LAN? with gateways and all
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19:36<Tommaatti>anyway thx already for the clue , i'll look into it
19:37<chealer>panagos: no need to uninstall it. but you don't get a static IP via DHCP.
19:37<panagos>yes, i don't want to use DHCP!
19:38<panagos>so if i want to freely edit /etc/network/interfaces and see my changes actually take effect (not like network-manager does), what should i do?
19:39<engywuck>uninstall network-manager
19:39<panagos>iface eth1 inet static blah blah blah
19:39<engywuck>no, seriously, i don't know
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19:39<engywuck>oh, and after editing of interfaces you need to reboot or do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
19:40<chealer>panagos: yes
19:40<panagos>chealer: where does that "yes" go? :)
19:40<petemc>engywuck: no you dont
19:40<petemc>engywuck: you can just use ifup ethN
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19:41<petemc>assuming it was down, if not ifdown first
19:41<chealer>panagos: you edit with iface eth1 inet static blah blah blah, assuming the interface is eth1
19:41<engywuck>ifup didn't work once for me
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19:41<engywuck>ok, long time ago
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19:41<engywuck>since then i always used networking restart
19:41<kernfreak>how do I use this mouse
19:42<petemc>or a reboot, it seems
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19:45<panagos_>aha, so to re-read /etc/network/interfaces, i run /etc/init.d/networking restart?
19:45<panagos_>ok, so i made my configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, i guess i should disable network-manager, right? so i can use my static IP without problems
19:45<panagos_>someone please talk, so i can check i haven't lost my connection :)
19:46<panagos_>very nice :D
19:46<kernfreak>your still here
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19:56<macmini|ppc|x86>hi all!
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20:11<GhostlyDeath>What the hell happened to the new Broadcom modules, I was fine with 24Mbps but 1Mbps?
20:11<dondelelcaro>GhostlyDeath: they start at that speed, but generally ramp up rapidly to faster speeds
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20:11<pm06>agora que faço eu da vida sem voçê vç não me ensinou a te esqueceer
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20:14<GhostlyDeath>Guess it's time to pull a package out of stable
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20:17<xpl>when i try to run tremulous it ends with "Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem"
20:17<xpl>does anybody know how to solve this?
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20:20<chealer>xpl: does OpenGL work?
20:20<xpl>chealer: how can i check that
20:20<xpl>it says its using Mesa
20:20<chealer>xpl: what does $ glxinfo|grep direct; output?
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20:21<xpl>glxinfo not found
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20:23<xpl>chealer: glxinfo not found - that means i need to install opengl
20:23<xpl>or what?
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20:23<chealer>xpl: no, that means you need to install glxinfo (from mesa-utils) first
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20:24<xpl>chealer: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
20:24<xpl>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
20:25<chealer>xpl: then OpenGL doesn't work
20:25<xpl>chealer: so apt-get opengl
20:26<chealer>xpl: no. you need to get OpenGL to work. the way to do that depends at least on your video card.
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20:27<xpl>chealer: where can i find a way? i have ati radeon x1600
20:28<GhostlyDeath_>Why is my wireless card "wlan0_rename"?
20:28<chealer>xpl: you'd need to install and use the fglrx X driver.
20:28<chealer>!tell xpl about fglrx
20:28<xpl>chealer: i think i installed it
20:28<chealer>xpl: which video driver do you use?
20:29<xpl>chealer: ah... i dont know? i choose that in xorg.conf, right?
20:29<chealer>xpl: yes (or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)
20:29<xpl>oh yes, i use some generic radeon
20:30<xpl>let me check
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20:31<xpl>chealer: so, since x didnt recognized it, which one should i use?
20:32<chealer>xpl: what did X not recognize?
20:32<xpl>chealer: my video card driver
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20:32<chealer>xpl: which one?
20:32<xpl>chealer: ati radeon X1600
20:33<chealer>xpl: ati radeon X1600 is not a X11 driver, it's your card.
20:33<xpl>chealer: i know. but what is its driver?
20:34<javier>this is realy complicated to explain
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20:35<chealer>xpl: there are probably several drivers that can be used with that card. there's vesa and probably fglrx and ati.
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20:36<xpl>chealer: ok i tried ati and fglrx
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20:36<xpl>chealer: do i need to restart something after reconfiguring, maybe to reboot?
20:36<chealer>xpl: yes, you need to restart X
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20:38<javier>someone know where can i find gantt-project for debian, this software is on .rpm, i converted to .deb using alien, i installed it, however does not run
20:38<dpkg>from memory, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at
20:38<javier>i am using a gnome desktop, my OS is ubuntu
20:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:39<lupine>well, the first factoid wasn't much help. and generally, alien isn't much help unless the package in question was statically compiled
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20:39<nomadz>hello, maybe a stupid question but are there debian/etch cd's with serial output ?
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20:39<lupine>grab a source .tar.gz and compile as usual
20:40<lupine>and ask for help on :p
20:40<engywuck>what do you mean with "serial output"?
20:40<nomadz>serial console instead of vga
20:40<engywuck>console on serial connection?
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20:40<xpl>chealer: thanx
20:40<xpl>it works now
20:41<temro>which installer image do i need for installing debian on a system with an intel core2duo? cant see an x86_64 image
20:41<javier>ok thank
20:41<engywuck>x86_64 is called AMD64
20:41<engywuck>@nomadz: i don't know if it's compiled in, but you could test
20:41<chealer>temro: you can use any image for architectures i386 and amd64
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20:42<temro>chealer: if i use i386 i install a 32bit system?
20:42<chealer>temro: yes
20:42<temro>any reason its named amd64 and not x86_64?
20:42<nomadz>engywuck, yeah no go :)
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20:42<engywuck>when console=device,options works as addittional part on startup line it works
20:42<engywuck>@temro: yes
20:42<engywuck>it was developed by AMD and marketed as AMD64
20:43<engywuck>while intel tried some new, non-x86-approach
20:43<temro>oh ok
20:43<engywuck>intel bought the technology later and renamed it
20:43<temro>i try the amd64 iamge then
20:43<engywuck>so... historical reasons :)
20:43<chealer>temro: x86-64 is not an official name. AMD64 is the name given by AMD.
20:43<amphi>hysterical reasons
20:43<engywuck>intel called it EM64T for a while, i think
20:44<engywuck>xome call it x64
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20:44<engywuck>take which name you like :)
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20:44<Entheogen>guys, i've just copied sda4 on sda1 with dd and i cannot boot
20:44<Entheogen>grub tells me unknown filesystem...
20:44<lupine>em64t is different to amd64, IIRC
20:44<Entheogen>root (hd0,
20:44<Entheogen> Possible partitions are:
20:44<Entheogen> Partition num: 0, Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
20:44<dpkg>[em64t] Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 (with an i686 kernel) or Debian amd64 (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums
20:44<Entheogen>i should be that num 0 is ext3
20:45<lupine>eh, no
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20:45<engywuck>em64t is very much amd64
20:45<engywuck>some very small implementation differences
20:45<engywuck>but that's the problem of the compilers :)
20:46<lupine>didn't intel make a different, incompatible one?
20:46<gsimmons>nomadz: See also section 5.2 ("Boot Parameters") of the Installation Guide.
20:46<engywuck>@lupine: yes, but that's colled differently :)
20:47<lupine>do you remember the name?
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20:47<lupine>Entheogen: sounds painful
20:47<lupine>did you set the partition type correctly with fdisk ?
20:47<lupine>though that shouldn't stop grub from booting, I guess it might
20:48<engywuck>ah, found the name: IA-64
20:48<engywuck>nobody ever used that :)
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20:49<lupine>ah, thanks
20:49<lupine>you'd think something like that would be memorable enough :)
20:49<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
20:49<engywuck>so the processors needed some x86 compatibility layer that was painfully slow at first
20:49<lupine>yep, that's the one
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20:50<lupine><3 RISC
20:50<beener>could some one here help me with my kubuntu problem.
20:50<lupine>beener: that would imply that debian is ubuntu, which it is not
20:50<engywuck>the design goal of itanium was that you can stop a fire by using small spoons with water working a large number of them really, really fast
20:51<engywuck>!tell beener about ubuntu
20:51<lupine>engywuck: massively parallel operations on data is how a lot of stuff is going
20:51<lupine>the playstation, PS2 and PS3 are decent examples
20:51<beener>ic well this was just a last resort because i cant get help anywere else
20:51<engywuck>@Entheogen: sorry, don't know why you did copy it firsthand
20:51<lupine>my advice: install debian. come back. ask for help.
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20:51<engywuck>but if done correctly this should work
20:52<beener>lol well thanks anyways
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20:52<engywuck>if it's a *really* simple problem and you don't mention ubuntu some people here could possibly help
20:52<engywuck>but for complicated ones ubuntu is too different
20:52<lupine>dpkg: renault is "I tried to buy a Renault in a Renault shop, but there were no salesmen available, so I came into this Ford shop. Why won't you sell me a Renault?!"
20:52<dpkg>lupine: okay
20:52<dpkg>somebody said renault was "I tried to buy a Renault in a Renault shop, but there were no salesmen available, so I came into this Ford shop. Why won't you sell me a Renault?!"
20:53<lupine>courtesy of freenode's ##c++
20:53<Entheogen>engywuck, because root partition is small....
20:53<engywuck>what did you do *exactly*?
20:53<lupine>Entheogen: did you use fdisk to change the partition type to ext3?
20:53<engywuck>and what is / was your partition layout?
20:53<Entheogen>dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/dev/sda1 bs=4096 conv=notrunc,noerror
20:53<Entheogen>i did that
20:53<Entheogen>lupine, i used mkfs.ext3
20:54<lupine>that probably doesn't do the trick
20:54<engywuck>why did you use conv=?
20:54<lupine>fdisk <your-partition> t <your-partition> <correct-type>
20:54<lupine>it's been a while - I use LVM for absolutely everything these days
20:54<Entheogen>engywuck, i found that command on lq...
20:55<engywuck>ok, these two options shouldn't have caused too much problems :)
20:56<lupine>sda1 /was/ big enough, right?
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20:56<engywuck>what's your fs on sda4?
20:56<chealer>dpkg: Intel 64 is Intel's clone of AMD64 - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64 (/msg dpkg amd64).
20:56<dpkg>chealer: okay
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20:56<chealer>dpkg: no, em64t is <reply>see intel 64
20:56<dpkg>chealer: okay
20:56<engywuck>was a part of grub on sda1?
20:57<Entheogen>grub is on sda4 although grub is on mbr
20:57<engywuck>just for clarification:
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20:57<Entheogen>but fdisk says it is ntfs
20:57<engywuck>your complete installation was on sda4, including /boot, right?
20:57<Entheogen>/dev/sda1 * 1 3315 26627706 7 HPFS/NTFS
20:58<engywuck>that's because the partition table says so
20:58<Entheogen>but mtab says it is ext3
20:58<Entheogen>/dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ext3 rw 0 0
20:58<engywuck>mtab knows what's correct
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20:58<Entheogen>so can i correct partition table without losing data?
20:59<engywuck>start fdisk
20:59<engywuck>set type of partition to "83"
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21:02<Entheogen>Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)
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21:04<Entheogen>okay i fixed that in cfdisk
21:04<Entheogen>i have another question
21:05<Entheogen>did "dd" made exact the same copy?
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21:05<Entheogen>i think that i have again 97% filled up partition :)
21:06<Entheogen>/dev/sda1 7.6G 6.9G 259M 97% |||| /dev/sda4 7.6G 6.9G 259M 97%
21:07<engywuck>yeo, dd makes 1:1 copy
21:07<engywuck>BUT you can use parted to resize afterwards
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21:08<engywuck>sda1 was larger than sda4?
21:08<engywuck>would you mind to copy again? ;-)
21:08<engywuck>ah well, just start parted
21:08<engywuck>and use resize option
21:08<engywuck>making lanrger should work with ext3
21:08<engywuck>moving start of partition gives problems, IIRC
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21:09<Entheogen>i'll try with parted
21:09<engywuck>if that doesn't work you could try the copy feature of parted
21:09<Entheogen>and yes, sda1 was larger than sda4
21:09<engywuck>i think one can resize then on the fly
21:09<engywuck>then it's still larger, but the filesystem doesn't use all space
21:10<engywuck>oh, what's also possible, if you only want to have your data at new place...
21:11<engywuck>just use mkfs.ext3 on sda1, then mount both and do a simple cp -a /mnt/sda4 /mnt/sda1
21:11<Entheogen>i can use gparted?
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21:11<engywuck>sure, should work too
21:11<muibe>first and foremost, i apologise for my stupidity but i didn't answer to this on my own... so, i tried to install faad2 from debian unofficial repositories but i failed to add their repository just because of GPG error that i failed to solve on my own - so, could someone please tell me how OpenPGP signature stuff is worked out?
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21:11<engywuck>but i only used command line version :)
21:11<Aleric>Entheogen: run e2fsck before running parted, you never know.
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21:12<Entheogen>i'm doing fsck, thanks
21:12<engywuck>have a look in the topic:
21:12<lupine>muibe: with apt-key add or by installing the right -keyring package
21:12<engywuck>PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key
21:12<lupine>it's a warning, not an error, though; so you can generally ignore it if you trust the repository
21:12<Entheogen>anyway gparted tells me that sda1 is 25gb
21:12<engywuck>well, that's correct
21:12<lupine>Entheogen: the partition, or the FS?
21:13<lupine>(you can use resize2fs to enlarge to FS to fill the partition, incidentally)
21:13<engywuck>but the FS on it only spans the size it had on last partition...
21:13<Aleric>sda1 is a partition
21:13<lupine>resize2fs /dev/sda1
21:13<Entheogen>gparted tells me old details
21:13<lupine>you can do enlargement on-line, too
21:13<engywuck>if he's going from one partition to another, i would recommend cp -a ...
21:13<Aleric>Or tar
21:14<engywuck>or rsync ^^
21:14<lupine>dd generally works fine
21:14<Entheogen>but does that copy symbolic links?
21:14<lupine>but it's not hugely efficient
21:14<engywuck>it's just not worth fiddling with programs that might work or not :)
21:14<engywuck>cp -a copies all as is
21:14<Entheogen>i just want to move my sda4 to sda1
21:14<lupine>not entirely
21:14<Aleric>tar does it correct... run as root: tar -C from/path -cf - . | tar -C to/path -xf -
21:14<engywuck>have a look at the man page :)
21:14<Entheogen>and i can do that with cp -a?
21:15<engywuck>oh, if all other want: use tar
21:15<engywuck>i copied my whole debian installation twice last weekend with cp -a and it still works flawlessly, but what do I know
21:16<engywuck>ok, you could use cp -ax, just to be sure not to copy any mounted filesystems....
21:16<zarchne>Actually *hard* links are the most interesting question.
21:17<engywuck>but you shouldn't do things like that from a live system anyway...
21:17<Aleric>Yeah... does cp -a preserve hardlinks?
21:17<Entheogen>what about rsync?
21:17<Aleric>I'm starting to doubt if tar does.
21:18<Entheogen>i did resize2fs
21:18<Entheogen>and i think that i solved it
21:18<engywuck>yep, hard links stay
21:18<engywuck>just tested
21:18<engywuck>rsync, I don't know it they stay
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21:19<Entheogen>what exactly did resize2fs do?
21:19<zarchne>rsync has a special option for hard links.
21:19<engywuck>while we are at file systems:
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21:19<engywuck>anyone here having tested ext4
21:19<Aleric>tar, as root, too.
21:19<Entheogen>brb, i'm going to try to boot this sda1 ;)
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21:19<engywuck>@enthogen: it basically said your file system: look, there's so much space you didn't know about: USE IT
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21:32<Entheogen>i have this situation now: df-h
21:32<Entheogen>/dev/sda1 7.6G 6.9G 258M 97% /
21:33<Entheogen>/dev/sda1 25G 6.9G 17G 30% /mnt/goran
21:33<Entheogen>i mounted sda1 on /mnt/goran just to be sure
21:33<Entheogen>what is the problem now?
21:33<engywuck>eh... that you did resize on a live system?
21:33<engywuck>try a reboot
21:33<Entheogen>i unmounted partition
21:34<Entheogen>i rebooted ofcourse
21:34<engywuck>that itÄs really strange...
21:34<engywuck>i hate resizes....
21:34<Entheogen>me too ;)
21:34<engywuck>if you want a clean start, use the tar or cp options mentioned above
21:35<engywuck>but that takes its time
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21:36<Entheogen>with cp -a?
21:38<Entheogen>i think that i had wrong parameters in grub.conf
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21:40<qq>have you adapted fstab to the new situation ?
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21:42<Entheogen>it works.. i forgot to edit root= line in grub.conf :D
21:43<Entheogen>now i just run grub-install /dev/sda1 ?
21:43<qq>have you adapted fstab to the new situation ?
21:43<Entheogen>qq, yes
21:43<qq>grub-install /dev/sda
21:43<Entheogen>and now i can delete sda4?
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21:44<qq>not yet
21:44<qq>make some test first
21:44<qq>open apps
21:45<Entheogen>so far everything is normal
21:47<qq>give sone time -say a week - and if all it's ok , you may delete , my 2c
21:47<Entheogen>ok ok, thank you guys..
21:47<qq>s/some time
21:47<Entheogen>while i'm here i have one more question .. ;)
21:47<Entheogen>it appears that modprobe.d/blacklist
21:47<Entheogen>doesnt work
21:48<Entheogen>i blacklisted "ath_pci" module but it loads on every boot
21:50<qq> ath_pci is what ?
21:50<Entheogen>module for wireless card, but id doesnt work.. i've got it working via ndiswrapper
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21:52<qq>is in /etc/modules ?
21:52<Entheogen>nope, just ndiswrapper
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21:55<qq>other one may help ?
21:56<Entheogen>same thing is on my desktop pc.. i've blacklisted 'ssb' (also wireless) and it loads anyway... :|
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21:58<GhostlyDeath>Where are the fonts for X11 stored?
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22:01<qq>/usr/share/X11 or/and /usr/share/fonts
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22:10<maxb>Is there any command to remove an obsolete conffile from the dpkg database?
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22:13<qq>you mean from /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
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22:15<maxb>I mean from /var/lib/dpkg/status and the package's conffiles file
22:16<maxb>When a package ceases to ship a conffile, it gets marked obsolete, but hangs around on disk and in the database
22:18<qq>un update don't do the trick ?
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22:29<kamaraju>In kvirc (an irc client), does any know how to get rid of the messages that keep popping up when someone joins or leaves a channel? Where do I configure this?
22:32<maxb>Often irc clients configure this via the /ignore command
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22:33<kamaraju>maxb: Does this mean I have to do this for every channel or for every server?
22:34<kamaraju>Also, Do I have to do this every time I log in?
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22:36<maxb>It all depends on the client
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22:37<weld>hi there.. did anyone here experience the complete drop out of the keyboard in kde 3.5 recently? i had this problem a few times now.. i start a new session and everything is fine.. but after some tilme the keyboard fails completely
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22:40<weld>i'm on testing.. and seems this problem occurs since i use Xkb and switching between keyboard layouts
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22:40<weld>but keyboard fails after some time.. no matter if i switch the keyboard layout or not
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23:05<chealer>weld: then you need to restart KDE or X?
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23:08<weld>chealer: KDE
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23:08<weld>chealer: i can start a new KDE session with mouse.. and in the new KDE session the keyboard works, but in the old one it still doesn't
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23:09<chealer>weld: are you able to switch to a tty using the keyboard from your problametic session?
23:09<weld>chealer: no :(
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23:10<chealer>weld: does that happen particularly when you're typing a non-trivial amount of text, like in word processing? or you often come back to the PC and it doesn't work anymore (or after using the mouse a long time)?
23:11<weld>chealer: um.. well.. yes seems like it happens if i don't use the mouse for a long time.. right :)
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23:12<weld>chealer: so when typing a lot and not using the mouse
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23:13<qq>gpm ?
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23:14<chealer>weld: it sounds like a problem I had on my previous laptop before I did the last reinstall. but I never heard anyone else report that and never found a bug report about it.
23:14<weld>chealer: did you use Xkb and different keyboar layouts?
23:16<chealer>weld: I only used French Canadian.
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23:17<chealer>weld: IIRC I was wondering whether it was happening while/after using the automatic spellchecker. but that was just a guess.
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23:20<qq>weld: i use a KVM and got the same , kernel 2.6.22 but not with the newer 24
23:20<weld>qq: what's KVM?
23:21<qq>keyboard /video/mouse switch
23:21<weld>qq: im 2.6.22 too
23:21<qq>i know
23:24<weld>well.. so seems like this prob appeared after the last kernel update.. yes.. this would be a good explanation.. date fits :)
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23:26<qq>weld: im 24 !
23:26<weld>qq: 24 is fine?
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23:27<qq>but not perfect
23:27<weld>qq: in this keyboard matter?
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23:29<qq>i can't say exactly, here I use the same keyb/mouse on diffs machines
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23:31<qq>keyb/mouse are PS/2 -not USB
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23:35<qq>weld: try to install gpm , may help
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23:47<weld>chealer,qq: ok.. thank you so far :)
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23:59<RIVE>Hello. good evenning.
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