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00:33<Ace_Wolf>hi need help how to anable identd ? the command .. thank you
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00:36<Ace_Wolf>hi need help how to anable identd ? the command .. thank you
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00:40<Ace_Wolf>hi need help how to anable identd ? the command .. thank you
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00:42<kernfreak>can anyone tell me why the fluxbox in etch has no menus
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01:27<hachi>I'm having some problems with dpkg-shlibdeps here... building slapd from source
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01:28<hachi>dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/ (used by debian/slapd/usr/lib/ldap/
01:28<Gekz>lol, any nice tutorials for using a bluetooth-enabled phone as a modem>?\
01:28<kernfreak>anyone know if gnome 2.20 is in sid
01:28<hachi>wait... how is there something in /usr/local ending up in this
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02:34<prem>there ias some problem in my lenny..I dont what happened..but suddenly my fonts is not getting displayed
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02:35<prem>its displying only boxes..start from the gdm..
02:35<prem>I dont know whats wrong ..any suggestions..?
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02:43<blarson>prem: What locale? Has it been generated?
02:44<prem>blarson, yeah ..I have generated only for en_US
02:44<prem>blarson, just dont want to make it too complicated..
02:44<blarson>prem: do things look ok in a text console? (control-alt-f2 to get one)
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02:45<prem>blarson, yes ..thats normal..
02:45<prem>blarson, and thats what I couldnt understand
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02:46<prem>blarson, in the gdm and inside desktop..everything is just boxes
02:47<blarson>prem: so either gdm got started with a locale you didn't generate, or you have selected a font that dosn't have ascii as a subset.
02:48<blarson>(that's what I could think of, maybe it's something else)
02:50<prem>blarson, may be..but now..I couldnt cahnge it back to en_US also..i know to change the font only throught gui
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02:50<prem>blarson, is there a way that I could change my default font..through console ..?
02:52<blarson>prem: edit your X startup files. .xinitrc , what your window manager uses, etc.
02:52<blarson>also /etc/X11/xinit
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02:57<jm_>default font for what?
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02:58<prem>jm, default font for my desktop and all other applications
02:59<jm_>prem: for gnome?
02:59<prem>jm, yes
02:59<jm_>prem: did you try also generating en_US.UTF-8 locale?
03:00<prem>jm, yes .. I have en_US.ISO-8859-1... done en_US.ISO-8859-15... done en_US.UTF-8... done
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03:01<jm_>prem: I can see "Encoding=UTF-8" in default.desktop file (/usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions)
03:02<jm_>does it work in non-gnome apps?
03:02<jm_>say pure gtk?
03:04<prem>jm, yeah..I think it will
03:04<jm_>prem: it will or it does?
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03:05<prem>jm, it does
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03:06<jm_>prem: hmm then I am affraid I can't help you since I don't use GNOME - isn't there where you could possibly get more help? or maybe check BTS
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03:18<clone>hi everyone, I have a problem with mozilla, everytime I try to play video like flash, or totem, it says audio device busy, I don't know what to do
03:20<jm_>clone: iceape or iceweasel?
03:20<clone>iceweasel I think
03:20<clone>yep iceweasel
03:21<jm_>edit rc file and set: ICEWEASEL_DSP=aoss and FIREFOX_DSP=aoss
03:21<clone>I am gonna try epiphany
03:21<clone>jm, great thanks
03:21<jm_>for me it's in .mozilla/firefox/rc - but maybe you have ~/.icweasel or somesuch
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03:23<clone>jm_, ok, thanks, but I tried epiphany I get same thing, but I am gonna make those edits now and try again
03:23<clone>jm_, I don't have an rc file in .mozilla/firefox/rc
03:23<jm_>clone: create it ...
03:24<clone>jm_, ok done, let me see if it works
03:25<clone>jm_, same thing
03:26<jm_>clone: are you using ALSA?
03:26<clone>jm_, yep
03:27<clone>jm_, I have an addon audio card, and am not using the mainboard one, if that makes a difference, sound works for totem, but not inside mozilla
03:28<clone>in rc file, I just put exactly like you put,
03:28<enouf>about:plugins ?
03:28<jm_>clone: in two lines?
03:28<clone>jm, yep
03:28<clone>enouf, I have totem
03:29<jm_>clone: lsof |egrep 'snd|oss'
03:29<enouf>lsofegrep 'esd|artsd'
03:29<clone>totem-moz 4577 clone 16u CHR 116,0 16316 /dev/snd/controlC0
03:29<jm_>clone: does it work if you stop totem?
03:30<clone>jm_ it never works, I don't even have totem open. And even if I log out and back in or reboot, and use mozilla first, it still doesn't work
03:30<jm_>clone: but what is totem-moz then?
03:31<clone>jm_, yeah that one I have
03:31<clone>jm_ what do you mean?
03:31<jm_>clone: what is it?
03:31<clone>Totem Mozilla Plugin 2.16.5
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03:32<clone>Its been like this for years, I have no idea what to do
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03:33<jm_>clone: do you see libaoss mentioned if you run lsof on running firefox-bin processes?
03:34<clone>jm_ do I do lsof and then the process ID for firefox, how do I do what you mentioned?
03:34<jm_>clone: lsof -p pid
03:36<clone>jm_ I dont see it mentioned but I am still looking
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03:37<jm_>clone: you can also do lsof|grep libaoss
03:37<clone>I get this warning lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev
03:37<jm_>ignore that
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03:37<clone>I don't see it
03:37<clone>its not there when I do grep either
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03:38<jm_>ok so it's not using aoss, now it's time to figure out why - stop iceweasel and run this: strace -e open -o str.txt -f iceweasel
03:39<clone>jm_ oh, I think maybe xine is broken, cause I openned it, and it is stuck
03:40<jm_>clone: do you have dmix configured?
03:40<clone>jm_, no, I never heard of it, I use aumix, if it is same thing
03:40<dpkg>dmix is, like, an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
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03:40<jm_>clone: see above
03:41<clone>jm_, ok, I am going to install it
03:41<jm_>clone: you just edit asound.conf, nothing to install :)
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03:41<clone>jm_, ooh, hehe. Actually, I have xine on my screen and it won't go away
03:43<jm_>clone: even with xkill or kill -9?
03:43<clone>jm, no I killed it, it turns out that its not installed
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03:46<clone>jm_ oh I don't have alsa-oss installed
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03:48<spar74n>new fresh meat onboard ;)
03:48<jm_>clone: ahh ok that may be it, I forgot about that - good point
03:49<spar74n>i need help wanna install netinst using wlan
03:49<spar74n>tough default doesnt support ipw2200
03:49<clone>jm_, this dmix stuff is very complicated
03:50<spar74n>so i need to do it locally
03:50<spar74n>do i need to dl just ipw2200 module .deb and what do i need to do? thx in advance i hope im not asking help in wrong channel
03:51<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
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03:52<jm_>clone: it isn't, try this (but this is for one card only)
03:53<clone>jm_, I created a file .asoundrc but there already is .asoundrc.asoundconf file, which should I use? I am just gonna copy the file exactly from that link you gave me a hope it works for my hardware
03:53<jm_>clone: hmm I always use .asoundrc
03:54<spar74n>how do i know wich firmware is for me?
03:54<spar74n>kernel is 2.6.18
03:55<gsimmons>spar74n: The provided ipw2200 driver is v1.1.2kmq, so firmware v3.0 would be appropriate.
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03:57<clone>jm_, can't I just apt-get remove --purge all the audio and mozilla and reinstall, because it usually works when I do an install, this install is kinda old, so I can't remember what went wrong, but on my newer computer it worked from the start, its too bad the motherboard got a short and nwow I am back i nthis old one
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03:59<ppikula>how can I enable ipv6 ?
03:59<clone>ppikula, I think it is already
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04:00<jm_>clone: does sound work at all if iceweasell is not running?
04:00<ppikula>firefox with ipv6 doesn`t work, when i change it to ipv4 it s OK
04:00<clone>jm_, hehe, sound works, just not inside mozilla, I can use totem otherwise
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04:02<clone>ppikula, I guess the net isn't using ip6 yet, how do you make the changes? Is it in preferences
04:04<spar74n>im sorry for bothering but im a bit n00b at this
04:04<spar74n>so i put firmware in dir and thats it?
04:04<jm_>clone: well if you get dmix going it will most likely be solved, what happens if you run two sound apps at the same time - it fails with the same reason in the 2nd one, right?
04:04<clone>jm_ let me try
04:04<ppikula>in about:config if 'disableIPv6' is true it works
04:05<spar74n>and can i somehow put those packages i need on that netinst iso?
04:05<spar74n>cuz i cant do netinst without ipw2200 working unfortunately
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04:07<jm_>spar74n: you can, but it will be much easier using some removable media
04:07<Balthasar>Hi, I got problems with the inet install
04:07<Balthasar>downloaded the cd
04:07<Balthasar>but is not bootable
04:07<Balthasar>3 different mirrors^^
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04:07<Balthasar>win and linux burning it
04:07<jm_>which image are you downloading?
04:07<Balthasar>the lan install
04:08<Balthasar>lil cd
04:08<jm_>exact link
04:08<spar74n>so i just put firmware and udev on usb and put firmware into the dir and install udev?
04:08<spar74n>and it should work or what?
04:09<Balthasar>lol sry
04:09<Balthasar>was the other one
04:09<jm_>spar74n: no, you can't put udev on netinst, but it will be installed by default for you
04:09<jm_>you need x86 iso
04:09<clone>jm_, you are right, I can't play two at same time, but it still play, I just can't hear both, the first ones sound stops, but video keeps playing and the seconds sound starts
04:09<jm_>clone: does it work if you start the second app like this: aoss yourapp ...
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04:10<Balthasar>jm_, were you talkin to me
04:11<jm_>Balthasar: yes
04:11<spar74n>ok so just put the firmware into the dir?
04:11<spar74n>do i need to do anything except that?
04:11<Balthasar>where can i find em
04:11<Balthasar>and what did i download
04:11<jm_>spar74n: you shouldn't need to
04:11<jm_>the same URL you found Alpha and MIPS releases
04:11<spar74n>Balthasar: u need ftp, http bittorent or jigdo?
04:12<spar74n>ok jm thx
04:12<clone>jm, you are a genius, but I did the dmix thing, and it didn't work
04:12<Balthasar>dont care
04:12<spar74n>netinst right?
04:12<spar74n>u wanna 180 meg or 40 meg size?
04:13<Balthasar>dont care
04:13<Balthasar>gimme the bigger one
04:13<spar74n>40 meg fetches base system from network
04:13<Balthasar>bigger one is ar
04:13<spar74n>bigger is better installs base system ok
04:13<spar74n>x86 right?
04:13<jm_>clone: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list only one card?
04:13<Balthasar>old duron
04:13<clone>jm_, woow, that what I just checked, it does
04:15<jm_>clone: hmm then dmix should work
04:15<spar74n>u got ethernet connection to the net?
04:15<Balthasar>everythin else should be going fine right now
04:15<clone>jm_, how can I know that mozilla is using the .asoundrc file I created? You know what, I am gonna copy it into that other file I mentioned earlier that was already there
04:15<Balthasar>wanna setup a mysql server
04:15<Balthasar>maybe ill be back in a bit
04:15<spar74n>no im not good at that
04:15<Balthasar>no me
04:15<spar74n> later
04:15<spar74n>jm_ btw
04:15<jm_>clone: let's do a simple experiment - run 2nd sound app normally, then run "lsof|grep libaoss", then run it via aoss like before and run "lsof|grep libaoss" again - any difference in output?
04:15<spar74n>is usb supported from base system?
04:16<jm_>spar74n: yes
04:16<clone>jm, you friggin rule, I have sound
04:16<spar74n>so i just need to mount it right?
04:16<clone>jm_, You are the man, Thanks a million
04:16<jm_>clone: nice
04:16<clone>jm_, wwwwooooooooooooooooowowwowow
04:16<jm_>spar74n: yes - please address me with jm_ if you are talking to me, much easier to keep track when I am talking to several people at once
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04:17<spar74n>jm_ ok sorry ;) hey btw is there a way to change resolution in base shell i get when install base system?
04:17<spar74n>jm_ 800x600 is a bit too much lol
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04:18<jm_>spar74n: yup, you just pass appropriate kernel parameters - press F1 for help and then you get additional screens with F2 etc.
04:18<spar74n>jm_ how do i do that_
04:18<spar74n>jm_ id like at leas 1024x768
04:19<spar74n>jm_ dont know if i can get 1280x800
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04:19<spar74n>jm_ i got mobility radeon x300
04:19<jm_>spar74n: doesn't it say on the installer screen?
04:19<spar74n>jm_ it didnt asked nothing
04:19<jm_>spar74n: press F1
04:20<spar74n>jm_ i suppose not then was just wondering if mobility x300 is supported by kernel
04:20<spar74n>jm_ im on other box right now
04:21<jm_>spar74n: doesn't matter, it should be VESA compatible -- try using vga=ask or vga=0x305
04:21<spar74n>jm_ let me try i have a debian in vbox here
04:22<spar74n>jm_ nothing happens
04:23<jm_>spar74n: what exactly did you do?
04:23<spar74n>jm_ im in bash and wrote vga=ask
04:24<spar74n>jm_ im using debian in vbox so i can configure it and then i will install on my system
04:24<jm_>spar74n: no, you pass that to kernel when you run the installer
04:24<jm_>it also works for installed systems
04:24<spar74n>jm_ ok
04:24<spar74n>jm_ silly me lol
04:24<spar74n>so can i configure it from bash now?
04:25<ant_>spar74n, i think you do it on the grub boot prompt
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04:26<spar74n>ant_ yes i think also
04:26<spar74n>ant_ but cant remember where is config of grub...
04:26<spar74n>ant_ i did it some time ago but cant remember how....
04:27<clone>jm_, actually i spoke too soon, flash play sound now, which is the main thing, but totem still doesn't (inside mozilla)
04:27<jm_>clone: please do the aoss experiment first
04:27<clone>jm_, I did that one, it worked
04:27<clone>jm_, oh no I didn't
04:27<jm_>clone: the 2nd one with lsof twice
04:28<spar74n>ant_ vga=791 right?
04:28<ant_>spar74n, vga=ask might be better, I dont know what the codes are...
04:28<jm_>791 is for 1024
04:29<spar74n>ant_ ok thanka million
04:29<clone>jm_, actually, now that I copied that dmix config, they both play sound at same time without prepending aoss
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04:31<jm_>clone: that indicates dmix is working
04:31<jm_>clone: I suggest you exit X, start it again and then perform tests again and then tell me the status
04:32<clone>jm_ edit the .asoundrc.asoundconf file you mean?
04:32<jm_>clone: well no editing needed if it works
04:32<clone>jm_, when I do lsof, it doesn't show anything for video players, but now it does for firefox-bin
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04:34<jm_>clone: maybe you need to play video first?
04:35<clone>jm_ no it works, I think it was the site I was using for testing it
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04:35<clone>jm_, thanks for your help
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04:36<jm_>clone: it has to work with everything, sites don't matter
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04:36<clone>jm_, well I went to one site and it plays video fine, and then another it doesn't
04:37<jm_>clone: hmm maybe it's not because of sound
04:37<jm_>clone: which site is it?
04:37<jm_>you can safely give me porn links :P
04:37<clone>jm_, heheh
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05:38<Baggy2>hmm... if I build a static library, libCDPdebug.a, without the -static option, will that make my lib dependant on .so libs? I've noticed that the apps where I use the lib behaves differently if I include -static...
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06:05<GoldenDennace>Do any of you happen to know if there is an official IRC channel for Sorry if this is offtopic here, but I don't know where else to ask.
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06:29<tq|Memph>hi all
06:29<tq|Memph>who wants to solve my connection problem?
06:29<Designed>use gnome ??
06:29<petemc>just ask your question, if its debian related
06:30<Designed>the problem is network-manager *_*
06:30<tq|Memph>The problem is that i havent got connection @ debian, and i'm using xp now
06:30<Designed>remove :)
06:30<tq|Memph>i can ping
06:30<tq|Memph>i can ping my modem
06:30<tq|Memph>but when i wrote
06:30<tq|Memph>doesnt take the screen
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06:32<tq|Memph>i tryed to aptitude install xchat-gnome
06:32<tq|Memph>but it did not connect the ftp
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06:34<jm_>verify if lookups work
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06:34<tq|Memph>i have just installed debian , so i'm a newbie @ debian
06:35<jm_>run host
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06:41<Guest1068>hallo ihr da
06:42<reneger>Guest1068, this is the english debian channel! join for the German channel
06:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
06:43<Guest1068>thank you
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06:45<avtobiff>Guest1068, np
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06:55<antares>i want to install a new machine and i have this message "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (inittramfs)" can you help ?
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06:58<roshin>i dunno
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07:38<Bert>hmmm, if you know almost all files will be bigger dan 1 GB, is there a better filesystem to choose then ext3?
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07:39<petz>hi all
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07:40<engywuck_>neayrly every other filesystem, Bert ;-)#
07:41<engywuck_>I'd say ext4, but that's not ready yet
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07:42<engywuck_>or is there a way to use extents in ext3?
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07:50<jm_>there's a patch for ext3 & extents
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07:51<jumeaux_>qui parle francais ?
07:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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07:55<Bert>hmm :-)
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07:58<GhostlyDeath>ALSA keeps cutting off
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07:58<GhostlyDeath>I'll be playing a song and ALSA just dies
07:59<amphi>Bert: xfs perhaps
07:59<GhostlyDeath>Disk is busy also, I don't know what it's doing
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08:53<dusty>Whenever I run apt-get i get locale errors how do i fix these?
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08:56<OdyX>Hi. Anybody succeediong to see youtube videos with Gnash ?
08:56<OdyX>(konqueror-plugin-gnash actually)
08:57<lupine>pretty close though
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09:05<jm_>dusty: generate them or set existing locale
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09:06<OdyX>lupine: saw that... but this "close" is still far from "at least a bit working"
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09:06<OdyX>(I see only "share this"/"replay")
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09:14<Baggy2>Is there a way to disable warnings caused by pragma warnings? Like this one: warning: ignoring #pragma warning
09:15<Baggy2>Using g++
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09:15<Baggy2>Porting windows code..
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09:19<dpkg>rumour has it, voip is voice over ip for info on voip go to, or and
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09:19<scorpian>dpkg /me voip
09:20*scorpian voip tools
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09:24<spar74n>how do i setup console colors and fonts in bash?
09:24<spar74n>does anybody know?
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09:25<jm_>man setterm ; dpkg-reconfigure console-data
09:25<jm_>or console-tools, I forgot
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09:26<spar74n>jm_ u save me every time
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09:28<spar74n>jm_ now just tell me plz how do i cruise up and down through man file?
09:29<jm_>spar74n: uhm cursors keys? page up/down?
09:29<spar74n>jm_ only goes down when i press enter
09:29<spar74n>jm_ dunno why
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09:30<jm_>spar74n: well space also scrolls down
09:30<spar74n>jm_ yes but i cant go up
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09:31<jm_>spar74n: try k or u or maybe h for help
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09:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at, or for IRC support, use #centos @
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09:33<spar74n>jm_ k thx a lot again lol im learning in virtualbox
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09:33<spar74n>jm_ so i can get hold of myself on real deal tough my dvdrom looks like dead
09:34<spar74n>jm_ cant burn debian iso and cant boot from cd
09:34<spar74n>jm_ have no usb booting support or floppy its laptop
09:34<jm_>spar74n: you can install Debian from windows or dos
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09:34<spar74n>jm_ how can i do from windows?
09:34<dpkg>rumour has it, debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig).
09:35<spar74n>jm_ haha
09:37<spar74n>jm_ does network need to work on debian when rebooted?
09:37<spar74n>jm_ because my wifi wont work from start
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09:38<jm_>spar74n: yes
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09:38<spar74n>jm_ ffs
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09:39<spar74n>jm_ cant do it then i need operable wifi, can i somehow use netinst to locally install?
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09:40<spar74n>jm_ only base system with ipw2200 support then im good to go...
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09:40<jm_>spar74n: you can install locally with netinst and put ipw firmware on it and then it should be OK
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09:41<spar74n>jm_ how? im sorry if i bother but i would really like debian on my machine
09:41<spar74n>jm_ i was waiting for ipw2200 support and to get enough knowledge about linux and its workings
09:42<spar74n>jm_ and i think debian would help me a lot and i dont like clumsy big installs like ubuntu and others
09:43<jm_>spar74n: well with a CD?
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09:43<spar74n>jm_ dvdrom is broken it wont boot from it
09:43<jm_>spar74n: are you sure you burned it correctly?
09:43<spar74n>jm_ yes
09:44<spar74n>its small dvd+rw
09:44<jm_>spar74n: what do you see on the CD?
09:44<spar74n>jm_ i burned it and used it at home to install debian
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09:44<spar74n>jm_ but at home i have ethernet so there were no problems
09:45<spar74n>jm_ here i have laptop and wlan only, but it wont boot from the dvd on laptop
09:45<jm_>spar74n: can laptop read the cd?
09:45<spar74n>jm_ no
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09:46<jm_>spar74n: so you're saying your laptop sucks? :)
09:46<spar74n>jm_ haha yes
09:46<spar74n>jm_ and problem is i have a 1gb a month traffic limit at home
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09:46<Supaplex>ewww spar74n :(
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09:47<jm_>spar74n: hmm it is doable with grub 4 dos (the one that debian.exe uses)
09:47<spar74n>jm_ so i cant get the lap home and use ethernet, but it wont boot anyway
09:47<spar74n>jm_ ok im listening
09:47<spar74n>jm_ i already have ubuntu
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09:47<jm_>spar74n: on laptop?
09:48<spar74n>jm_ my hdd is partitioned and it uses grub so is there a way i could put files on the ubuntu partition
09:48<spar74n>jm_ yes on laptop
09:48<jm_>spar74n: then you can use debootstrap to install debian
09:48<spar74n>jm_ yes but i dont know how lol
09:49<dpkg>somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
09:49<jm_>!chroot install
09:49<dpkg>chroot install is probably, or, or ask me about <debootstrap>, or, or
09:49<spar74n>jm_ lol nuclear science a bit to me
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09:50<spar74n>jm_ is there a way i can somehow mod the partition from windows and make it use install from hdd
09:50<spar74n>jm_ i can acess ext3 partition in windows and change it
09:51<spar74n>jm_ so i can put ipw2200 firmware on the pratition also and then im home free
09:51<jm_>spar74n: well the easiest would be to do a chroot install using GRUB
09:51<spar74n>jm_ ok
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10:10<maxb>Does anyone know what the group memberships in /etc/gshadow are actually used for?
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10:10<jm_>maxb: nope, not anyone does
10:10<maxb>I'm starting to think that's the case :-)
10:10<lloeki>man gshadow?
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10:11<jm_>do you know how shadow file complements passwd file?
10:11<maxb>Yes, I know that.
10:11<jm_>same deal
10:11<maxb>No, not same deal
10:11<maxb>The list of users in a group is *duplicated* between group and gshadow
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10:12<maxb>What purpose does storing duplicate information serve?
10:12<weasel>man gshadow
10:12<weasel>it's not the same.
10:12<maxb>I am looking at that manpage right now and it does not explain
10:13<weasel> · comma-separated list of group administrators
10:13<weasel> · comma-separated list of group members
10:13<weasel>this information is not in group.
10:13<jm_>good point
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10:13<lloeki>wikipedia explains it well
10:13<maxb>the members certainly are in group
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10:14<maxb>and grpck verifies the consistency of the duplicated information, even
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10:16<lloeki>it serves to store group passwords in a secure way, just as shadow does for accounts
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10:17<htraki>How Can I edit a man file?
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10:18<maxb>lloeki: Sigh. You are not listening to me.
10:18<padski>Is there a boot option to do install in a readline rather than the default dialog style ?
10:18<maxb>I am asking about the DUPLICATION of the group membership information between the two files
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10:18<jm_>padski: I think there is yes
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10:19<padski>jm_, cool, thanks :-)
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10:20<jm_>but I always forget how to find those values
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10:21<victor>what package should i use to subscribe to a vodcast?
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10:22<jm_>ahh looks like it's debconf/frontend
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10:23<lloeki>maxb, gould that be relevant? "As the 4.2BSD initgroups(3) man page says: No-one seems to keep /etc/group up-to-date."
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10:25<padski>jm_, thanks
10:26<victor>what package should i use to subscribe to a vodcast?
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10:33<si0ux>Jansen: :)
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10:34<lloeki>maxb: last paragraph of man newgrp is the only place I can find an expressed behavior difference between group and gshadow
10:34<maxb>Aha. Thanks
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10:35<lloeki>also, grpck does not ensure that the list is 1:1 match. it only ensures it is corrent
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10:36*maxb wonders what a group administrator is
10:36<lloeki>so I imagine one could have /etc/group having some generic info (like for e.g storage device access), and /etc/gpasswd have other groups, eg for people to work toghether on a project
10:36<lloeki>maxb: man gpasswd
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10:38<lloeki>no wonder it's a seldom used fearute. it feels very convoluted
10:39<lloeki>oh well, at leas ti leanred something today
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10:44<spar74n>jm_ u there m8?
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10:46<Rouke>Anybody an idea how to get a debian net install boot properly on a dell 1950 with a raid1 on a perc6i?
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10:47<padski>Rouke, what have you tried ?
10:47<Rouke>different grub option, during the install it recognizes the raid1 as /dev/sdb which is not correct in my point of view..
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10:48<Rouke>It installs it on the /dev/sdb1 etc, but during the boot it recognizes the /dev/sda1 and no sdb
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10:48<Rouke>2 sas in raid1 on the perc
10:48<spar74n>I need to manually put kernel and all things onto partition and to setup debian can anybody help?
10:49<spar74n>padski thanks
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10:50<padski>Rouke, so it sees and writes to the disk array and your only problem is naming ?
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10:52<csabi>Hello everyone. I have just installed NetBeans IDE 6.0.1. When I try to run it, it throws: debian-00: debian-00 , where debian-00 is my host name. It seems to be related to the JRE in general, not just NetBeans.
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10:54<padski>csabi, so which jre is that ?
10:54<marijuanapuffdragon>mmmm beans
10:55<csabi>padski: I've installed the JDK, jdk1.6.0_05.
10:55<csabi>I mean, I don't really think that there's a problem with JRE itself, it must be a configuration problem. I'm really new to Linux and I have no idea what could be wrong.
10:55<maxb>csabi: First thing, check your /etc/hosts has a valid entry for your own host
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10:57<padski>!tell spar74n about pm
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10:57<csabi>maxb: It currently has debian-00.juhos with, juhos is my domain.
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10:58<spar74n>padski sry didnt want to write in main chan too much lol
10:58<csabi>maxb: Can I put multiple DNS names on a single line in /etc/hosts?
10:58<padski>spar74n, please just address the channel
10:58<spar74n>padski i need to install manually on a partition from windows
10:58<padski>csabi, man hosts
10:59<spar74n>padski so basically i need to copy from netinstall cd files onto already made partition and make installer run
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10:59<spar74n>padski cuz on that partition i have ubuntu and i wanna debian instead of ubuntu
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11:00<csabi>maxb: padski: Thank you. It works fine now.
11:01<padski>does that actually delete windows ?
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11:02<spar74n>padski no
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11:04<padski>spar74n, looks like it might do your job
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11:06<spar74n>im back
11:06<spar74n>padski does debian.exe gives me the chance to setup wifi?
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11:07<spar74n>padski if not i cant use netinstall then unfortunately
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11:09<spar74n>padski if it boots me into debian without netwrok support i cant download anything then
11:09<padski>spar74n, and no harm done, so try it
11:10<spar74n>padski but i still can put firmware from windows into the folder on nix right?
11:10<spar74n>padski then it should load it
11:10<spar74n>padski does debian.exe install base system before rebooting?
11:10<padski>spar74n, don't know.
11:11<spar74n>i really would not like to f*ck up my current winblows
11:11<spar74n>my machine is dead then lol
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11:12<spar74n>padski ah fck it i already started debian.exe it downloads atm lol
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11:14<spar74n>padski i just pray it will work where do i put ipw2200 firmware again?
11:15<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>.
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11:15<spar74n>padski_ ok
11:15<padski>spar74n, not sure where that fits in the installer picture
11:16<spar74n>padski i need wifi working for apt
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11:17<dusty>Hey guys I am getting wierd stuff happening when I try to install stuff via apt-get: anyone know wtf is going on there?
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11:18<padski>dusty, this 'FATAL -> Failed to fork.'
11:19<padski>dusty, running out of memory ?
11:21<spar74n>anybody did debian.exe installation?
11:21<dusty>I have 6gb left
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11:22<dusty>#simfs 5.0G 608M 4.5G 12% /
11:23<padski>dusty, is that disk space or vm ?
11:23<spar74n>omg debian.exe cant download correctly wlan is breaking OMG!
11:23<spar74n>i dont understand this method with bootstrap and chroot
11:24<dusty>thats a vm
11:24<dusty>i havea svps
11:25<spar74n>can i just install debian on virtual machine and copy the whole partition on real one altering menu.lst?
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11:27<padski>spar74n, probably, more or less. fstab too.
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11:27<spar74n>padski i have debian on vm but its basic bedian
11:27<spar74n>padski so i just need to copy it?
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11:28<spar74n>padski it should work right?
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11:28<spar74n>padski what about drivers kernel autodetects right?
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11:28<maxb>Are there any tools which help with cleaning up obsolete conffiles after package upgrades?
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11:29<padski>spar74n, the debian approach is mostly auto-detection, yes
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11:29<spar74n>padski or i can copy the whole partition from home debian and it should work ok
11:29<spar74n>ill try that
11:29<spar74n>padski its a bit fishy but we will see
11:30<dusty>ANyone know how to fix this:
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11:30<spar74n>padski cuz i already have grub and partitions are setup
11:30<padski>dusty, man free
11:31<padski>spar74n, or debbootstrap from there
11:32<spar74n>padski how do i do that?
11:32<spar74n>padski i dont understand i wanna debian on ubuntu partition instead and cdrom is dead i cant boot from anything
11:33<imperia>guys i need some help setting up debian router.. actually i need to make it work from ram. can somebody help me please
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11:36<dpkg>debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
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11:36<padski>spar74n, your cdrom drive is dead ?
11:36<dusty>padski, how do i fix this?
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11:37<padski>dusty, can you add swap ?
11:37<dpkg>hmm... swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that.
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11:38<dusty>padski, no its a vm
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11:38<dusty>why would it be using that much anyways
11:38<dusty>its a base install with apache+bind+mysql not doing anything yet tho
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11:39<padski>dusty, man ps
11:39<padski>dusty, why does being a vm preclude swap ?
11:39<imperia>padski: can you help me make my router to work from ram? i mean i want to boot my router from HDD then spin it down. can you give me some clues?
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11:40<padski>imperia, clues: hdparm can tell some disks to spin down. a ramdisk/tmpfs might help
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11:40<dusty>i cant add swap no
11:41<zarchne>dusty: do you actually have a problem?
11:41<imperia>padski: i set in /etc/fstab for my partition noatime, i disabled swap, i tried to use hdparm and noflushd. but still can't spin down my hdd for long time
11:42<imperia>padski: i even got some script to put all tmps and logs in tmpfs
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11:43<padski>imperia, man hdparm
11:44<dusty>zarchne, yes my system isnt doing anything e.g. bind wont run apt-get wont run heck i cant even run man pages cause system is out of memory
11:44<imperia>padski: i used that but some processes are still accessing hard disk.. my hdparm is set as follows: hdparm -S 24 /dev/hda..... also i removed exim4
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11:45<zarchne>dusty: what error do you get from, say, apt-get?
11:45<dusty>k sec
11:45<padski>dusty, man kill
11:45<dusty>FATAL -> Failed to fork.
11:46<dusty>padski, it wont
11:47<zarchne>dusty: this is a "vserver" vm?
11:47<padski>dusty, I dno't understand where all your memory is going.
11:47<dusty>zarchne, yes
11:47<dusty>nor me
11:47<dusty>[Wed Mar 12 15:16:40 2008] [error] (12)Cannot allocate memory: fork: Unable to fork new process
11:48<zarchne>dusty, okay, thanks.
11:48<zarchne>dusty: looking at my vserver...
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11:49<padski>imperia, do you know which files ?
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11:50<imperia>padski: sorry, what you mean?
11:50<zarchne>dusty: You're not the owner of the host?
11:50<padski>imperia, are being accessed
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11:51<imperia>padski: i've just stopped syslogd... and echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump .... now in DMESG i can see which files access the HDD.. looks like I have to install my debian with ext2 instead ext3 to disabled journaling.. and the other process which accesses the hdd is : pdflush
11:52<imperia>padski: and some script also
11:52<zarchne>dusty: I'm not sure, do you suppose it could be incompetence on their part?
11:52<dusty>i very much doubt that
11:52<padski>imperia, pdflush is part of the kernel ?
11:52<imperia>padski: to be honest.. no idea
11:52<padski>imperia,, is that webmin ?
11:53<imperia>padski: probably its webmin.. i installed it so i can control shorewall
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11:54<zarchne>dusty: as far as I can tell, "free" reports settings global to the server, not just your specific vm.
11:54<seanius>imperia: padski pdflush is the kernel journalling thread iirc
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11:55<seanius>imperia: you can remove the journal from an ext3 filesystem without reinstalling/reformatting
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11:55<padski>Rumor has it that pdflush is short for "dirty page flush."
11:55<imperia>seanius: so i just have to install debian with ext2... what about running the whole thing from ramdisk?
11:55<imperia>seanius: how?
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11:56<imperia>my hdd just went standby mode.. lets see for how long
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11:58<seanius>imperia: open up /etc/fstab and replace all instances of ext3 with ext2, and then reboot
11:58<seanius>i believe.
11:58<seanius>ext3 == ext2 + a journal option
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11:58<imperia>i set noatime in fstab so it does not write access times to fs
11:58<seanius>yeah, pretty handy for laptops
11:59<padski>imperia, create and mount your ramdisk and pivot_root into it.
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11:59<imperia>padski: how?
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12:01<imperia>i got some laptop which have only bluetooth so i use it to access network... no i got linux router(floppy one) windows client box(which is acting as bluetooth AP for the laptop) and the laptop... i want to make all in 1 router.. and i want to move the bluetooth ap to the linux
12:02<imperia>so i decided to make debian router and spin down the hdd.. but not sure how to make it.
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12:02<imperia>i guess i got 2 options: 1. ramdisk... 2. option is to make hdd stop after boot and work from ram ... eg.. move logs and /var to tmpfs
12:03*zarchne suppresses going into idiot mode with his frustrations by putting them in the third person: Now, can I ask someone, do you have an hp-psc2110, mine "doesn't work", "I didn't change anything", it was working... lolz...
12:04<imperia>zomg, hdd is off for already like 5 minutes!!!
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12:06<imperia>btw the bluetooth dependancies are like 50mb.. :(
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12:08<padski>imperia, man pivot_root. this is how we get out of an initial ramdisk. take a look at how nfsroot is done.
12:08<padski>sorry, bad example
12:09<imperia>padski: i was just reading for differnce between chroot and pivot_root...
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12:10<SuperMiguel>when u download debian u get about 3 dvds and an updater
12:10<imperia>padski: what you mean? that i make ramdisk of whole / then i put it into ram and then change root folder to it?
12:10<SuperMiguel>at the time of installation you just use one
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12:10<SuperMiguel>where and how u use the other 3 dvds
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12:11<padski>imperia, or boot into an initial ramdisk and never look back :-)
12:11<seanius>SuperMiguel: you don't need the others if you have a network connection
12:12<SuperMiguel>how about updater one
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12:12<eduardo>como vai?
12:13<imperia>padski: i am not sure what you mean? can you explain me please. i am kinda new into this :(
12:13<zarchne>Seriously, my hp psc-2110 frequently "hangs"... lpq reports "PSC-2110 is ready and printing" job is "active"... debian etch, btw... /usr/lib/cups/backend/ptal 224 root 1 job-uuid=urn:uuid:071ee87f-2962-3e37-50a0-3340f37c5e7a ptal-connect mlc:usb:PSC_2100_Series -print -infretry -retrydelay 10 ... what could be the problem? no errors in /var/log/cups/error_log... no errors in lpr.log ...
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12:13<petemc>zarchne: multi function devices suck, they rarely have decent drivers outside of windows
12:13<petemc>even some of the windows drivers suck
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12:16<padski>imperia, these are all ways you could end up in a system with the root in a ramdisk, which may or may not be what you will want in the end. the last one was: boot into a ramdisk and stay there. it is quite common to boot into a ramdisk and which will then pivot-root onto a harddisk.
12:18<padski>I just had an installer in qemu fail with 'Unable to add physical volume /dev/hda5 to volume group'
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12:18<padski>why is it creating hda5 ?
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12:21<me>can someone gimme a advice which mailserver i should use for my webserver?
12:22<reneger>mailserver for webserver?
12:22<me>mailserver for a server ;)
12:23<Xenguy>me: postfix is nice
12:23<me>hm... had had bad experiences with postfix...
12:23<me>i got a virus and had to reinstall my system
12:23<me>i think that the leck was on my mailserver (which was postfix)
12:23<Xenguy>me: that doesn't sound like postfix's fault :p
12:24<reneger>on a linux machine a virus?
12:24<me>yea had also misconfigured it thats true
12:24<me>a root kit
12:24<maks>postfix is damn paranoid
12:24<maks>what did you misconfigure?
12:25<me>i have/had no experiences with mailserver so i used a old tutorial with nooblike knowledge
12:25<imperia>padski: to put system root in ramdisk i should have a lot of ram i guess. that's why i may not want it?
12:25<me>i dont know if there was anything misonfigured or not
12:25<me>but i think so
12:27<padski>imperia, yes, but probably the wrong question. try: if you have options how do you want to use them and why ?
12:27<padski>imperia, for example, why do you want to spin down the hdd ?
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12:29<padski>I see 'partman-lvm: Physical volume "/dev/hda5" sucessfully created' on VC4, but fdisk is telling me it is not there.
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12:30<imperia>padski: i wan't to spin it down to save power and its mainly because its old and its noisy...
12:31<imperia>padski: so i put the programs i need into ramdisk.. then mount it.. then pivot_root to it?
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12:32<imperia>padski: is initrd.img that i have the thing i need. or it contains only drivers?
12:32<padski>imperia, I think you could, yeah. did you consider flash ? cheap, silent, low-power
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12:34<imperia>padski: i was thinking for CF but the problem still remains .. i have to reduce disk writes..
12:34<padski>imperia, file -Lz /initrd.img
12:35<imperia>padski: yes i have examined initrd.img content before
12:36<SuperMiguel>im trying to install ndiswrapper on debian but i get few errors, which the solution seems to be to put this ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build but that doesnt work
12:36<SuperMiguel>how can i make ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build work?
12:36<padski>imperia, sure, but that is what it is.
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12:38<padski>SuperMiguel, does that build dir get removed at install time if there is no kernel or source or something ?
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12:39<imperia>padski: strange.. now hard disk stays off for a long time.. with moved logs to tmpfs.. but i see "dirtied inode" messages in dmesg
12:40<SuperMiguel>dont really know what u mean
12:40<padski>imperia, they are not ben flushed to disk synchronously
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12:43<imperia>padski: is that bad? and what happen when tmpfs is full?
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12:44<ryan_combs>is there a gnash plugin for etch
12:45<padski>Imperia, it is a feature. delaying writes that are not urgent allows them to be grouped for performance and more important traffic to take precedence. whether that feature is desirable for your application ...
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12:45<padski>imperia, I assume when tmpfs is full it is much the same as with any filesystem.
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12:47<imperia>padski: so i have to restart my router from time to time?
12:47<padski>imperia, lol
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12:50<padski>imperia, have you seen openwrt ?
12:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:51<imperia>padski: i haven't seen it yet. but i know its some linux for router devices.. like linksys routers.... but i got some netgear device here and i am quite unhappy with it performance.. it drop packets a lot when i got many connections
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12:52<padski>imperia, what model ?
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12:53<imperia>padski: can't run openwrt :((( wgr614v7 or v6 cant remember.
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12:55<imperia>padski: i don't know if linksys devices can handle that much connections with openwrwt .. but that netgear can't handle even 100 connections..
12:55<imperia>padski: i mean i set 1000 connections in utorrent
12:56<imperia>padski: and it works with my linux router .. ping to the router is 1ms... all the time.. no matter if I upload with 3MBytes/s .....
12:57<padski>imperia, openwrt users report joy from tuning parameters, but obviously there is a limit to what you can do in a few meg
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12:57<padski>imperia, sounds like your device may have 8M of ram
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12:58<imperia>padski: that Netgear.. it sucks.. i guess it have 286 a like CPU :)
12:59<padski>imperia, mips ?
12:59<padski>imperia, you can telnet into it :-)
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13:00<imperia>padski: i know i had some telnet enabling problem written in c..
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13:00<imperia>padski: but that router can't do much with telnet
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13:01<imperia>padski: what you mean mips?
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13:03<adriano>por favor, como acesso o debian br
13:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:05<padski>imperia, a lot of those little router devices are some mips variant I think
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13:06<imperia>padski: arm is mips?
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13:07<padski>imperia, no arm is arm :-)
13:07<imperia>padski: ok :)
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13:08<imperia>padski: anyway i don't recommend that router to my enemies even.
13:08<mthomas>is there a package that will allow me to open and edit a coral draw file (extension .cdr)?
13:08<padski>imperia, as best I understand it arm licensees have to stick to the script, pay more but get the best power/performance. used in smartphones, etc. mips is cheap and you can do what you like. or something :-)
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13:09<imperia>padski: mips is win.
13:09<padski>imperia, huh ?
13:09<margalida>I've a little problem
13:10<margalida>can someone help me?
13:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:10<imperia>padski: i mean if you can do what you like with mips: then its nice - its win
13:10<margalida>I've the icon update, but don't work, it say me.
13:10<margalida>only one update at time???
13:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:12<SuperMiguel>how can i make my wireless card work in debian?
13:12<SuperMiguel>im trying to install ndiswrapper but im having problems with it
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13:14<mthomas>is there a package for Debian that will allow me to open and edit a coral draw file (extension .cdr)?
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13:16<krishna>SuperMiguel: what wireless card do you have?
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13:16<SuperMiguel>shna> SuperMiguel: what wireless card do you have?
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13:17<padski>mthomas, google says
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13:19<padski>SuperMiguel, I think build should be a symlink to your kernel source
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13:20<bAndie9100>hi all
13:20<mthomas>padski: thanks,
13:20<SuperMiguel>my wan card is Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN
13:20<SuperMiguel>how can i make it work with debian?
13:20<bAndie9100>how can i use on a laptop the infrared port?
13:21<padski>mthomas, I'd be interested to know how good it is
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13:22<SuperMiguel>Miguel-Laptop:/home/miguel/Desktop/ndiswrapper-1.52# make
13:22<SuperMiguel>make -C driver
13:22<SuperMiguel>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/miguel/Desktop/ndiswrapper-1.52/driver'
13:22<SuperMiguel>make -C /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 SUBDIRS=/home/miguel/Desktop/ndiswrapper-1.52/driver
13:22<SuperMiguel>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686'
13:22<imperia>hi fxiny
13:22<SuperMiguel> Building modules, stage 2.
13:22<SuperMiguel> MODPOST
13:22<SuperMiguel>make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686'
13:22<SuperMiguel>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/miguel/Desktop/ndiswrapper-1.52/driver'
13:22<fxiny>imperia: hi
13:22<SuperMiguel>make -C utils
13:22<SuperMiguel>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/miguel/Desktop/ndiswrapper-1.52/utils'
13:22<padski>SuperMiguel, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
13:22<SuperMiguel>gcc -g -Wall -I../driver -o loadndisdriver loadndisdriver.c
13:23<SuperMiguel>make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/miguel/Desktop/ndiswrapper-1.52/utils'
13:23<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
13:23<mthomas>padski: I am dl it now, will let you know if i can get this file i have to open
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13:23<padski>mthomas, thanks
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13:26<fxiny>enouf: righ : block device elevator time-out values HZ is set to 250 . do i have to set it to 1000 and recompile my kernel ?
13:26<dpkg>methinks infrared is
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13:27<fxiny>enouf: i've checked and old sarge 2.6.8 , no HZ in config so i dunno why sarge was better
13:27<bAndie9100>i seeing...
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13:28<fxiny>anyway if that is the reason i'm having too much load , 250 is no good at all
13:29<fxiny>this is commented > # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set
13:30<fxiny>486 configs are similar
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13:32<padski>fxiny, out of interest, which io scheduler ?
13:32<fxiny>padski: welcome :)
13:33<fxiny>padski: that was enouf suggestiuon to switch from 250 to 1000 . boot config > grep HZ /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686
13:33<padski>fxiny, you are after lower latency ?
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13:34<fxiny>padski: i have an old pII like enouf . he's not having trouble with io
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13:35<krishna>SuperMiguel: just forget about ndiswrapper and install the package firmware-iwlwifi. It must support your wireless card
13:35<fxiny>padski: sometimes i cannot use ssh , and things like tripwire often get stucked , io problems
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13:36<SuperMiguel>how do i install the package firmware-iwlwifi???
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13:38<SuperMiguel>does any one know how can i install the package firmware-iwlwifi?
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13:39<fxiny>padski : i don't care too much , i use ftp , or ionice -c2 -n7 scp and such , but if that HZ 1000 fixes i'll recompile the kernel
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13:40<fxiny>the only question is : why # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set ?
13:40<enouf>fxiny: hiya - listen, i meant try switching schedulers for testing; All four of my IDE devices 2xHDD + 2xOpticals are set to [anticipaitory] (they came that way i guess on Debian's 2.6.16-2-686)
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13:41<enouf>fxiny: all my debians also have been =250HZ
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13:42<enouf>~$ grep 250 /boot/config-2.6.16-2-686 | xargs echo
13:42<enouf>CONFIG_HZ_250=y CONFIG_HZ=250
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13:42<fxiny>enouf: this one is 250 yes , i was looking into /sys/block/hda/queue/iosched
13:42<enouf># CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set
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13:42<fxiny>yes is not set
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13:43<enouf>fxiny: how's your DMA settings>
13:43<fxiny>enouf: i've cheked old sarge 2.6.8 but no HZ
13:43<fxiny>enouf: dma ?
13:43<enouf>hdparm -i or -I /dev/name
13:43<fxiny>is ok
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13:43<fxiny>no hdparm is installed but is ok , i've checked it long ago and removed hdparm
13:44<enouf>fxiny: Sarge also didn't really have udev, nor this ability to change IOSCHED on the fly
13:44<fxiny>enouf: so i leave 250 then
13:44<fxiny>enouf: on the fly ? that's why i was looking into sys
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13:44<enouf>it's more for throughput for server as opposed to responsiveness for Desktop see
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13:44<enouf>fxiny: see that URL
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13:45<fxiny>enouf: ok , i thought yours was set to 1000
13:45<padski>fxiny, memlockd might interest
13:45<fxiny>enouf: grabbing url now
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13:45<fxiny>padski: i'll add to my shopping list :)
13:45<enouf>fxiny: explain again what precisely is wrong? tried watching vmstat 2 say? how about tring iostat and iotop?
13:46<enouf>fxiny: the config HZ stuff the Preempt stuff
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13:47<fxiny>enouf: i don't like preemptive , i comiled it on woody and i don't like it
13:49<enouf>fxiny: well, many things have changed ;-)
13:49<enouf>fxiny: but ok
13:49<fxiny>enouf: nothins is wrong . i have alternatives . we were talking yesterday so i did some google seearch and i've grepped /boot , i prefere official kernels anyway
13:49<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh no porbs :)
13:49<enouf>fxiny: how much RAM do you have? how much swap?
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13:50<enouf>fxiny: tripwire gets stuck? how's your overcommit_* settings?
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13:50<fxiny>enouf: could be ethc ssh eating mem but tripwire takes too long
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13:50<enouf>$ cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* 0 50
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13:51<enouf>$ cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
13:51<fxiny>enouf: is on cron right ? if i do something it takes up to 40 minutes .
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13:51<enouf>though admittedly, i have used overcommit_memory to 2 and ratio to 80
13:51<fxiny>enouf: which is ok cause who cares about tripwire mail ? :P
13:51<enouf>fxiny: wow
13:52<enouf>fxiny: how big are your HDDs?
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13:52<enouf>fxiny: my cron.daily takes maybe 5 minutes
13:52<fxiny>enouf: 30
13:52<enouf>i've moved it from 06:30 ish though - to ~ 01:30
13:53<enouf>30GB? i have a 9.1GB + and 80GB that's always mounted and i can hear cron.daily hitting it
13:53<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh 5 is normal , but not when i move stuff to my "encrypted" box ;)
13:53<enouf>fxiny: OH ffs!! i forgot about your encryption
13:53<enouf>dear ${DEITY} ;-)
13:54<fxiny>enouf: amazing . i've cloned my etch into LUKS , and is so good
13:54<enouf>were you using that exact same crypto setup with Sarge?
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13:54<fxiny>enouf: mv /boot into its own ext2
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13:55<enouf>fxiny: have you tried ssh using arcfour as preferred?
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13:55<enouf>fxiny: perhaps?
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13:56<fxiny>enouf: someone here told me this : ionice -c2 -n7 scp -p file to@remote , it works
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13:56<fxiny>enouf: but now i use ftp cause i have a very special vserver for that ;)
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13:57<fxiny>or just plain lftp : lftp -d -c 'open -e "boolmark ....
13:58<fxiny>we can play MANY games :)
13:58<enouf>fxiny: nc ftw \o/
13:58<fxiny>enouf: hahahah super leet :))
13:58<fxiny>so "pondy" ;)
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13:59<enouf>how's you sour mash man?
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14:00<enouf>fxiny: i'm getting ready to order this 13.00 USD mATX case so i can finally put together this AMD64 3000 s754 setup \o/
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14:00<enouf>fxiny: after MIR, i only pay 16.00$ Shipping :-P
14:00<fxiny>enouf: i have a vserever here , user home is shared with the host . mysecureshell trap is set :)
14:00<fxiny>enouf: amd64 ? you !
14:00<enouf>gotta get me some arctic 5 or similar and a HSF too
14:01<enouf>bingo \o/
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14:01<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
14:01<enouf>fxiny: oops . hehe, i guess i oughta also buy some more HDDs, i just threw my last new 80GB into my p150 BabyAT O_o
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14:02<fxiny>enouf: some more ? i found this second hand great 30G , i still have the 4G original super GRINDING one ;)
14:03<enouf>fxiny: that's why i want to assemble these system so i can play with things like LUKs, Vserver, Crypt, LVM and such
14:03<fxiny>i still remember the sense of emptiness in my room when first run a silent "modern" hd :)
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14:03<enouf>fxiny: i just yanked out the orig WD Caviar 1.2GB from it temp - still has nice win95/98 Games on it ;-)
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14:04<enouf>fxiny: hehe - my 9.1GB is super loud, but my fix helps ;-)
14:04<enouf>echo acoustic:254 > /proc/ide/hdc/settings :-)
14:05<fxiny>enouf: LUKS and vserver are good games .
14:05<enouf>it seems to affect only most of the platters, not all of it, weird eh?
14:05<Maulkin>Fixing rc-bugsquash is an even better game.
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14:06<fxiny>but i still have toys like se-linux to do first , i bet you've already done se
14:08<fxiny>Maulkin: ops : are you suggesting lenny is coming soon ? ;)
14:08<fxiny>enouf: :)
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14:09<padski>"Early March 2008: Debian Lenny Development - Very soft freeze"
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14:09<fxiny>btw ppl : have you seen the latest mozilla org forebub beta 4 ? beta 3 runs on etch but 4 wants gtk 2.10 hahahahaha
14:10<engywuck_>what's a very soft freeze? ;-)
14:10<fxiny>i stick to iceweasel :P
14:10<enouf>can someone throw out the URL for the list please? i recently was doing (trying/testing) something with debburn/cdrkit
14:11<fxiny>enouf: i've checked bugzilla beta 4 this morning : it can't work on etch ;)
14:11<enouf>fxiny: forget Firepoop ;-)
14:11<fxiny>enouf: hahah YEAHHH
14:11<enouf>fxiny: i mean the rc list .. me /hunts
14:12<guillaume>where can i set up udf format for external usb dvd recorder ? The internal one of my laptop read udf without problem as udf is registred in fstab. Thk u (debian sid)
14:12<fxiny>gtk 2.10 !
14:13<fxiny>enouf: i can't do debug
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14:13<enouf>guillaume: you can setup udev rules i would think for that - though if udf module isn't auto modprobed upon boot, add it to /etc/modules
14:13<fxiny>i would certainly help
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14:13<fxiny>but i can't
14:14<enouf>fxiny: i kinda suck too - doesn't stop me from trying ;-)
14:15<enouf>guillaume: lsmod | egrep 'iso|udf' to see which are loaded
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14:18<guillaume>enouf: none of them are loaded but I can read iso and udf dvd on my internal drive.
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14:18<SuperMiguel>whats the best sources.list i need it to have non free
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14:18<SuperMiguel>can any one one send me one?
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14:19<enouf>guillaume: Debian Kernel? which release? cat /proc/version says?
14:20<fxiny>SuperMiguel: just add non-free to your sources.list line > ... /debian etch main contrib non-free
14:20<dpkg>i guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
14:20<guillaume>enouf: Linux version 2.6.24-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.24-4) ( (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:47:43 UTC 2008
14:20<enouf>SuperMiguel: /msg dpkg contrib , /msg dpkg sources.list
14:21<enouf>guillaume: hrm, well, perhaps UDF is =y in you kernel .config
14:21<SuperMiguel>what exactly do i add???
14:21<enouf>as well as iso9660
14:21<padski>!very soft freeze
14:21<dpkg>rumour has it, very soft freeze is when the Release Managers very gently ask to please start thinking about the release when uploading new major upstream versions
14:21<fxiny>padski: early march (the "idi") is a good time to squash bugs : ask Julius Caesar ;)
14:21<enouf>SuperMiguel: dpkg has perfect examples
14:21<fxiny>good omen
14:22<guillaume>enouf: maybe just an udev rule may work
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14:23<enouf>guillaume: well, figure out why it's working now for yur internals, and if its' support is built into kernel, then it should be available, though - maybe the USB interface is messing something up a bit, it'll use a different driver and layer for access to usb-storage and external drives, likely your CD/DVD External drives are using the sg, sr_mod stuff .. not sure anymore with .24 at this point
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14:25<enouf>guillaume: but yeah, udev rule sounds like a plan perhaps, also, is your internal optical SATA or PATA? (though, oh nm)
14:25<basil>hi everyone. i'm trying to preseed the debian installer for a computer that's networked but doesn't have internet access, i.e. no default gateway. i have the line "d-i netcfg/get_gateway string" in my preseed.cfg, but this preseeds the gateway to the value suggested by the installer, not to a blank string. anyone have any idea how i can set this to a blank value?
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14:27<enouf>guillaume: $ egrep 'UDF|ISO9660 /boot/config-$(uname -r)
14:27<SuperMiguel>will automatix make it's sources.list?
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14:27<fxiny>what ?
14:27<fxiny>autowhat ?
14:27<craigevil>SuperMiguel: automatix is crap dont use it
14:27<dpkg>hmm... automatix is a tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Adobe Reader, w32codecs (divx, mp3, etc). You SHOULD NOT use it with Debian. Even the Ubuntu Technical Board advises against it. See
14:28<enouf>SuperMiguel: are you running Debian? or one of it's many mutated sibl;ings?
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14:29<enouf>please don't PM me, thanks
14:29<enouf>we ALL can benefit from the discussion
14:29<enouf>in public
14:30<SuperMiguel>i just installed debian today, and i cant install or get anyhting to woro
14:30<SuperMiguel>my sources.list is screw up
14:30<SuperMiguel>i keep getting errors
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14:30<enouf>ok, well make your sources.list correct - namely, there's 3 repo levels, main contrib non-free
14:30<SuperMiguel>when i do apt-get update
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14:30<enouf>then there's unofficial multimedia and backports ones
14:30<SuperMiguel>can u link me a sources.list so i can just copy it?
14:30<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
14:30<fxiny>SuperMiguel: a fresh install ? i suggest aptitude
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14:31<enouf>i already told you to do that SuperMiguel
14:31<basil>any debian installer preseeding wizards around?
14:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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14:33<guillaume>enouf: my internal drive use sata protocol
14:33<fxiny>SuperMiguel: yiou can run it like apt but it can help in the beginning , man aptitude or just type aptitude and play if you lime menus
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14:34<maspix>I am having a problem with debian etch with some services I am running. Both SSH and FTP, but FTP specifically are running VERY slow at logon. Is there a way to monitor this and speed this up? (proftpd, openssh-server)
14:34<enouf>guillaume: righto, likely libata, ata_piix, and/or whatever sata_controller
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14:38*fxiny touches wood
14:38<Requiem>would backporting something from etch to lenny be a good idea, or feasable?
14:38<SuperMiguel>whats the biggest difference between ubuntu and debian??
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14:39<fxiny>backporting from etch to lenny ?
14:39<Requiem>that's the reason I don't touch debian anyway
14:39<Requiem>er, don't touch ubuntu
14:39<engywuck_>porting from the back ;-)
14:39<Requiem>lenny is missing a plugin for flac files
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14:40<Requiem>and the etch one wants me to downgrade gtk (which makes no sense at all, it doesn't have any graphical function calls)
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14:40<engywuck_>sure it has no graphical interface?
14:40<dpkg>[releases] See for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases.
14:40<engywuck_>which plugin?
14:40<fxiny>i'll upgrade to lenny next sunday
14:41<Requiem>yep, it does add on to a graphical interface, but that is working just fine
14:41<fxiny>xmms ? i use xmms2 (gonzo version) :P
14:41<icaro>does anyone recommend a good ftp server?
14:42<Requiem>xmms2, for some bizzare reason, has no graphical interface
14:42<fxiny>i use vsftpd
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14:42<Requiem>or maybe I just can't find it
14:42<fxiny>gxmms2 , i use cli
14:42<enouf>fxiny: i'm looking on one of the sale sites for HDDs, rofl Hard Drives (5655 Matches)
14:43<fxiny>enouf: 5655 ? hahahah : we all love vista
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14:44<suiside>Requiem: the whole point of xmms2 is to function as a daemon-like backend to which you can connect with a client software which can provide whatever gui you like
14:45<suiside>Requiem: it's in the lines of mpd, not a substitute for the old xmms
14:45<fxiny>and to keep cli junkies like me happy :P
14:45<enouf>fxiny: it's just adverts suck ass, and naturally searches don't listen when the ads are paying their bill$ ;-)
14:45<Requiem>Yeah, i figured that out, just makes no sense whyt hey would call it xmms
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14:46<fxiny>enouf: are you looking for a big hd ?
14:46<daniel_>hello all
14:46<suiside>Requiem: well, they didn't call it xmms did they, they called it xmms2
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14:46<Requiem>even if you don't buy from them, neweggs search and technical data is probably the best on the web for computer parts
14:46<enouf>fxiny: not really, i'm looking for CHEaP ;-)
14:46<fxiny>xmms2 can run in screen
14:47<fxiny>enouf: cheap is beautiful ;)
14:48<fxiny>i run irssi rtorrent and xmms2 all day in a screen session
14:48<Requiem>all less than $50
14:48<fxiny>who cares about gui ?
14:48<fxiny>thee are gui for everything
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14:49<enouf>Requiem: i know how to shop, thanks - and yes, newegg is awesome somtimes, i got my 3x 600w CoolerMaster PSUs for a grand final total of 18.00$ USD after MIRs :-)
14:50<tingle>when i set a keyboard shortcut for my browser gnome opens GNOME Web Browser but i would like to set the shortcut to iceweasel
14:50<Requiem>that reminds me,I need to check if they still have earthwatts PSUs on sale
14:50<tingle>anyone got a suggestion?
14:51<Requiem>tingle: dunno about gnome, but for KDE that's in control center under applications, does gnome have something similar?
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14:51<tingle>Requiem: a keybinder you mean?
14:51<Requiem>actually, I meant to just set the default browser to iceweasel in general
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14:52<fxiny>tingle: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ?
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14:52<tingle>Requiem: yes i might have a look at that :)
14:52<tingle>fxiny: what does that do?
14:52<fxiny>tingle: it sets the default browser
14:52<tingle>Requiem: fixed i set iceweasel as default browser.. srry never thought of that
14:52<tingle>fxiny: ok great thanks
14:53<fxiny>just run and see , no need to save if you don't like it
14:53<Requiem>hey cool
14:53<fxiny>tingle: np
14:53<Requiem>that command finally fixed the xchat bug with opening weblinks
14:53<fxiny>cool is debian : update alternatives is debian
14:54<enouf>tingle: you can use --list instead of --config as well
14:54<tingle>enouf: ok ill have a look thanks.. just need to finish up some query first :)
14:55<enouf>fxiny: i'm not much of a fan of the entire update-alt system, but nm .. no biggy - we all have our pet peeves
14:55<Supaplex>why does screen seemingly break backspace? before screen, backspace is normal. inside it's delete.
14:55<fxiny>enouf: hehehe
14:55<Requiem>what do you mean by screen?
14:56<fxiny>backspace ?
14:56<enouf>Supaplex: i've heard complain of exactly the same thing, but i don't know
14:56<fxiny>it works here
14:56<enouf>+ others*
14:56<Supaplex>yes gnu screen
14:56<enouf>check BTS?
14:56<tingle>seems to work here..
14:56<fxiny>i am on screen right now
14:56<fxiny>irssi chrooted running in a screen session :P
14:56<Supaplex>I guess I can :)
14:57<enouf>Supaplex: try showkey?
14:57<fxiny>yes you can for sure
14:57<fxiny>Supaplex: you messing around with too many patches :P
14:58<enouf>i wonder if some sort of weird combo like just alt-insert got hit accidentally, i suggested Insert to the other person and they said they checked it, i suggested perhaps it's in "overwrite" mode
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14:58<Requiem>damn, not only is the sale over, it's gonna cost twice as much now
14:58<fxiny>that's why i run things in screen : many times i do wierd combos on my mrxvt
14:58<enouf>Supaplex: they were saying it removes the forward characters rather than erasing to the left
14:58<enouf>same issue?
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14:59<enouf>Requiem: for which?
14:59<whitebunny>ca marche?
14:59<whitebunny>Quelq'un me recois?
14:59<Supaplex>fxiny: this screen is running on bare metal stock sarge.
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14:59<enouf>fxiny: and when i said cheap, i meant quality, but on real sale ;-)
14:59<fxiny>Supaplex: sarge ? what are you up to ?
15:00<enouf>whitebunny: language is? portuguese? /msg dpkg br
15:00<Requiem>Antec Earthwatts PSU
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15:00<Supaplex>fxiny: the hosting provider is a tw[ia]t. It's on a contract, but I'm not renewing :)
15:00<enouf>bye bye bunny
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15:01<fxiny>enouf: this 30G is very good , think 30G when buying
15:01<Requiem>So quiet and cool you'd think it was broken, and I really don't want to put up with having to hear my server at night
15:01<enouf>oh, a PSU, these CoolerMasters are awesome enough - plenty of Amps on the rails, Quiet as all fuck, 120mm fan, etc - heck it even says "SLi-Ready"
15:02<fxiny>Supaplex: let him enjing sarge then :O
15:02<enouf>fxiny: i'm finding millions of 4-9GB SCSI UltraWides for like 6.00$ :-P
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15:03<Requiem>enouf: It's a 40 watt server, so I don't think SLi woud do me much good
15:03<fxiny>enouf: for 6 ? i'm booking a virgin low cost right now , coming down to the states ;)
15:04<enouf>the only thing i hear from my p2 and it's right near me is the stupid whir and high pitched squeal of these old tired HDD, and then when it hits disk - i really hear the heads and thrashing - otherwise, a passive HSF \o/ Slot1 ftw :-p
15:04<Requiem>ah crap
15:04<Requiem>if I want this thing to be silent I need a quiet HDD too don't I?
15:04<fxiny>Supaplex: i'm still laughing at the poor hosting provider you are so BOFH hahahahh
15:04<enouf>fxiny: bingo ;-)
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15:05<Supaplex>enouf: showkey says ^[[3~
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15:05<fxiny>enouf: small ?
15:06<enouf>Supaplex: oh dear .. wish i knew what that meant :-P
15:06<Supaplex>can I rebind it?
15:06<enouf>Supaplex: i'm such an X'er.. anyways, that's the Console equiv of xev, i guess and maybe xmodmap -pk
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15:08<fxiny>a personal wiki ? a MUSE ing :P
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15:09<fxiny>i do everything with muse
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15:09<mtretin>Anyone have an idea why network manager works for wired connections but not wireless ones?
15:10<Requiem>because wirelesss is the spawn of satan
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15:10*amphi is a happy satanist
15:10*mtretin is looking to convert
15:10<Requiem>This is my professional opinion btw
15:10<Hydroxide>mtretin: is your wireless driver loaded?
15:10<enouf>Supaplex: two other possible things to check out perhaps /etc/inputrc (any ~/.inputrc) and /etc/console*/*
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15:11<Supaplex>apropos inputrc EFAIL :(
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15:11<amphi>Requiem: does that mean we have to pay for it? ;)
15:11<enouf>Supaplex: though, if it only occurs in screen and not the ttys, not sure, it's a screen issue?
15:11<mtretin>Hydroxide, yup, I can connect using iwconfig and dhclient just fine
15:11<Requiem>Only if you own a Dell
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15:12<amphi>praise be, I don't
15:12<Requiem>Good idea
15:12*enouf considers making a "Start a craptop war" factoid ;-)
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15:13<mtretin>Hydroxide, I've also made myself a member of the netdev group via the readme, and the interface isn't in /etc/network/interfaces
15:13<maspix>I have a debian server running etch and this is partly a revision of a question I made a while ago. For some reason TCP connections that the debian server is listening on take forever to get started for FTP (proftpd). I really have not seen this problem before in my other Debian systems so I don't know where to get started.
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15:13<Supaplex>enouf: I as of yet haven't isolated why. I'm starting to document my findings, and hope to eventually nail the critter. It might have something to do with my ibook (where I'm sshing from off os/x). I think I'll retest on an etch box too
15:14<enouf>Supaplex: without fiddling with everything, make a backup of /etc/inputrc and throw an Etch or other one in there :-P
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15:14<Supaplex>happens on etch too.
15:15<enouf>Supaplex: hrm, cat /proc/bus/input/* ?
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15:15<fxiny>Supaplex: even an ibook ? another present ?
15:15<fxiny>you alredy had an amd64
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15:17<Supaplex>fxiny: it's a g4 1.1ghz. only cost me a few hour work to "frienktop" repair it, and $100 for a 120gb hdd (about 18mo ago)
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15:18<Supaplex>humm ^[[3~ also in showkey while in screen on etch.
15:19<fxiny>Supaplex: tell us the naked truth : s/frienktop/fiendshop/g :P
15:19<Supaplex>what's fiendshop?
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15:20<fxiny>it sounds nice and BOFH
15:21<Supaplex>it looks any other g4 ibook :) i had plenty of spare parts
15:21<engywuck_>fiendshop, nice name :)
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15:23<Supaplex>ebay seller grossly misundeerstood the issue, and sold it as a 'broken screen' when it was only a 'broken screen hinge'. paypal left a bad taste in my mouth, so I paid with a credit card. 1m later still no laptop, so I issued a chargeback and contacted the district attorney to recover my property and then repay after securing it.
15:24<Supaplex>seller eventually shipped it 3mo later (by the time i gave up!). all old contact info was useless. all phone numbers were disconnected, all emails bounced, just nothing. :P so i got the parts free after a lot of hassle.
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15:24<Supaplex>and to think $207 was a deal at auction closing. >:)
15:25<guillaume>enouf: all is working now thk you for udev tip :)
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15:26<enouf>guillaume: sweet ;-) care to share exactly what you did?
15:26<fxiny>you are lucky : i read the are selling "chipped" from the back of a lorry laptop in the uk , good with ketchup :P
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15:27<panagos>hi people, how do i configure ddclient for no-ip?
15:29<Supaplex>humm I can ssh to my openwrt box, and screen works fine with backspace there. (all tests so far are on the shell). all this time I assumed it was irssi fixing it up for me :)
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15:33<enouf>Supaplex: friggin ouch .. one reason i buy new , and no ebay :-) (i guess it's ok for some, but meh)
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15:35<fxiny>i get second hand stuff at electronic fair
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15:36<fxiny>i waanna see "in the face" :P
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15:36<enouf>"in person" ;-)
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15:37<fxiny>they are not human :P
15:37<Supaplex>I'm not complaining. this baby is *mine* now :)
15:37<fxiny>so : is the boeing surplus just a tale ?
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15:38<fxiny>in the (RMS) book of the dead ?
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15:40<fxiny>shouldn't be empty ? mine is not
15:40<fxiny>hardstatus ...
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15:41<fxiny>or is the infamous utf on your way ?
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15:43<fxiny>Supaplex: utf8 ?
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15:43<Supaplex>how do I check?
15:43<fxiny>less /etc/environment
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15:44<Supaplex>no /etc/environment on client or servers
15:45<fxiny>no locales ?
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15:46<Supaplex>locale returns "POSIX" for most all entries (blank on one other)
15:47<fxiny>i got read of utf8 which is unsupported by mrxvt . no more crap on my mrxvt screen : just LANG="en_US"
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15:48<fxiny>but i noticed reconfiguring locales leaave utf on /etc/environment . i just edited with vim after a LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
15:48<fxiny>i don't want utf8 around
15:48<Supaplex>no <3 from env -i TERM=$TERM screen either
15:49<fxiny>is mc installed ?
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15:51<Supaplex>why mc?
15:51<fxiny>beacuse it can show bad char as well
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15:53<fxiny>Supaplex: less /etc/default/locale ?
15:53<fxiny>no file ?
15:54<Supaplex>start telling me on which host if it matters (client, server). 1m
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15:54<Supaplex>nothing on the server
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16:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:01<rosa>no se lo que hago ni donde estoy exactamente,esto que es?es un chat o que es'?
16:02<rosa>parece ser que esto no es lo que o esperaba.chaoooo
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16:09<schmichael>any tips on getting a prism2 (rev1) wifi adapter in a thinkpad t30 to work in lenny?
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16:09<schmichael>it tries to use the hostap driver and doesn't get anywhere
16:09<schmichael>at least it can't seem to associate to a wide open access point
16:10<schmichael>i've tried installing the linux-wlan-ng drivers, but i don't have much experience with such things
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16:17<vejeta>hello people, how can you make a xxx-dev package from a tree obtained with apt-get source?
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16:20<vejeta>ah, found it, dpkg-dev.
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16:20<schmichael>is anybody here using a prism2 chipset?
16:20<vejeta>schmichael, I do
16:21<schmichael>vejeta: what drivers? where do i even start configuring such things? :)
16:21<vejeta>it`s a pcmcia card
16:21<schmichael>i use madwifi on my desktop and it Just Works
16:21<schmichael>hm. mine's builtin (pci)
16:21<vejeta>let me check, it was along time :)
16:22<vejeta>It wasn't madwifi
16:22<schmichael>well my desktop has a different chipset, sorry
16:22<Supaplex>!stab screen
16:22*dpkg runs at screen with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
16:23<schmichael>ah, atheros on my desktop. works like a dream
16:23<schmichael>the laptop seems to default to hostap, which doesn't work
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16:23<vejeta>schmichael, I was using hostap
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16:24<vejeta>in the laptop, also in my desktop with the PLX9052 PCI adaptor.
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16:25<schmichael>any special modules or interfaces config needed?
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16:25<schmichael>would you mind pastebinning /etc/network/interfaces?
16:26<schmichael>also, any special packages involved?
16:26<schmichael>like i said: i started messing around trying to force the wlan-ng driver, but that doesn't seem to be helping
16:27<maspix>Is it possible to move from a x86 debian etch install to an amd64 install easily?
16:28<schmichael>vejeta: huh, thanks. do you use network-manager?
16:28<vejeta>in the laptop, but not in the desktop.
16:28<vejeta>schmichael, I compiled my own kernel. I will do a paste of what I configured.
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16:30<vejeta>but probably, a debian kernel package already have all that.
16:30<schmichael>vejeta: thanks :)
16:30<schmichael>do you know why my wifi would show up as eth1?
16:30<vejeta>Not sure about that, but that could be related to udev
16:30<vejeta>rules for udev are on /etc/udev
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16:31<schmichael>i was afraid of that :)
16:31<vejeta>:) agree
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16:39<oigres>If I've got no ~/.mozilla, everytime I start iceweaseal it askes me whether I would like my data to be imported from phoenix or firefox. Question is where is the backup data stored?
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16:43<oigres>If I've got no ~/.mozilla, everytime I start iceweaseal it askes me whether I would like my data to be imported from phoenix or firefox. Question is where is the backup data stored?
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17:00<Guest1119>hi, everyone!
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17:32<guille>alguien me echa una mano con ubuntu?
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17:34<Supaplex>guille: /topic
17:34<Maulkin>I don't even know where to start with that one
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17:35<noli>hi guys
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17:36<noli>I finally fix the problem with my xorg
17:36<noli>now I can log in in Desktop Mode
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17:36<noli>but my screen is a square...
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17:36<noli>is not the right resolution
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17:37<zarchne>noli: possibly adjustable with knobs on you monitor?
17:40<noli>zarchne, i am not expert
17:40<noli>what is knobs ?
17:40<Supaplex>round dials, or maybe they're buttons + on screen display
17:40<noli>I dont see it
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17:42<zarchne>noli: is it an lcd or a crt?
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17:43<noli>its a normal sony vaio laptop
17:43<zarchne>noli: Okay, never mind about the knobs.
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17:46<noli>zarchne, where do you think the problem is ?
17:46<zarchne>noli: out of curiosity, what is the lcd's native (correct, target) resolution?
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17:46<noli>man what do you mean _
17:47<zarchne>noli: So it's a wide screen.
17:47<zarchne>So the resolution you see is probably 1024x768
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17:48<zarchne>noli: if it were me, I would edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to add a 1280x768 display mode.
17:48<noli>probably... but in x11/xorg.conf in Section "screen" its 1280x768
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17:49<noli>zarchne, the error is not there..
17:50<noli> in Section "screen" its 1280x768
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17:56<tcsetattr>xrandr -q ; xdpyinfo | grep dimensions
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17:58<noli>tcsetattr, 1024x768
17:58<noli>here is the error.. how do I fix it ?
17:58<tcsetattr>did xrandr -q list any other options?
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18:00<noli>tcsetattr, xrandr -q just 1024
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18:01<martn>Hi everyones, a simple question (I think).... I just started my server and every thing seems to work fine, but when I make a http request from out of the LAN, the foreign browser will wait indefinitly if the index.html contains formatting like <strong> or <h1> or wathever not just <a> and plain text... But from my browser contacting it from the LAN everything appears as it should?!?
18:01<martn>Any Ideas?
18:01<noli>martn, wait a second
18:01<noli>we are trying to figure out why my resolution is not working lol
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18:05<saltmiser>do people really use the stable dvd torrents
18:05<saltmiser>for i386 and/or amd64
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18:05<saltmiser>since I'd like to contribute; and I have massive upload..but I have a feeling nobody really uses those torrents
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18:07<tcsetattr>noli, read the Xorg.0.log and see what it thought about your config file
18:08<noli>tcsetattr, can u be more clear please ? I dont understand a lot...
18:08<tcsetattr>martn, is the "plain text" version really short? maybe you have an MTU problem and the extra tags pushed it over the limit. try a longer (at least 2000 bytes) plain-text version and see if that triggers it
18:08<martn>yep very short
18:08<noli>tcsetattr, I check in the file xorg.conf that nothing say 1024.. but it is all right
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18:09<tcsetattr>grep 1280 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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18:11<noli>tcsetattr, yes it find some stuff..
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18:13<tcsetattr>good or bad stuff?
18:13<noli>no using mode 1280..
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18:13<noli>no mode of this name
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18:13<noli>tcsetattr thats doesnt sound good lol
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18:16<tcsetattr>now we have an idea what's going on.
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18:16<noli>tcsetattr, no..
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18:16<noli>tcsetattr, please enlight me
18:16<tcsetattr>well, I have an idea... you're relying on a built-in modeline that doesn't exist
18:17<noli>tcsetattr, how do I rely on a built in modeline that exist ?
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18:18<tcsetattr>you ask for 1280x768 but that's not a "normal" mode so the server doesn't know how to do it
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18:21<noli>tcsetattr, I understand the logic but I dont know how to fix it
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18:23<tcsetattr>I dunno this wacky widescreen stuff. I suppose you have to add a modeline
18:24<martn>tcsetattr thanks!!! it worked!
18:24<mtretin>Anyone know why Network Manager might work fine for wired connections but never actually connect to a wireless network?
18:24<Denvik>Hi all, where i can read about easy installation video driver ati?
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18:38<noli>WIDESCREEN on debian, it is in xorg.conf 1280x768 but in Xorg.0.log it say NO MODE OF THIS NAME
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18:40<tcsetattr>when you say "it is in xorg.conf" do you mean it's defined there, or referenced there? I think you have a reference with no definition. (The definition is the ModeLine.)
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18:41<noli>tcsetattr, any idea about how to add it ?
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18:43<qq>noli: grep HorizSync /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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18:45<tcsetattr>google "widscreen xorg modeline" and look through those results
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18:46<noli>qq, niente
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18:47<noli>tcsetattr, whats that ?
18:47<qq>noli: grep Vert /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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18:48<noli>qq what is that ?/
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18:49<tcsetattr>you never heard of google?
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18:49<qq>add 'HorizSync 28-75 'in Section "Monitor" from xorg.conf
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18:50<qq>noli : and add ' VertRefresh 43-75' in Section "Monitor" from xorg.conf
18:51<noli>qq anywhere in there ?
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18:52<qq>noli : in Section "Monitor"
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18:52<noli>qq, give me a second i am upgrading to debian tasting now
18:52<noli>anfter it finish I will try like that.
18:53<noli>qq, should it work?
18:53<noli>hope so
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18:57<qq>noli: here is mon xorg.conf
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18:58<noli>cool qq I will try right now.
18:58<noli>thanks man qq
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19:01<kernfreak>hello all
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19:05<qq> Ухожу
19:05<azeem>qq: ?
19:06<azeem>qq: if you have a question, ask
19:06<azeem>or were those some utf-8 characters my client rendered as repeated question marks?
19:07<qq>ok , I'm waiting a new from noli
19:08<noli>I was checking that file man
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19:08<gass>hello there
19:08<noli>qq it has 1024 as a default
19:08<qq>yes , is for me
19:09<gass>does anyone knows when a new kernel upload will be done, in order to test if the new firewire drivers work with my hardware?
19:09<noli>and why did u give it to me ? I ve a widescreen
19:09<dondelelcaro>gass: uh... the kernel in unstable has the new firewire drivers
19:09<qq>you may add 1280x768
19:10<gass>dondelelcaro, its only 2.6.22 ... those are not working with my hardware
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19:10<gass>dondelelcaro, and i need the ipw3945 modules also
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19:10<noli>qq how ?
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19:11<noli>If I post you mine can u please check it out ?
19:11<dondelelcaro>gass: 24 is in unstable, 22 is in lenny.
19:11<qq><noli> yes
19:11<gass>dondelelcaro, i was looking @ p.d.o
19:11<gass>and nothing
19:11<gass>but thanks, i'll try
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19:15<noli>qq, hold on a second please. I am fixing a problem it crash
19:15<gass>dondelelcaro, there are still no extra modules built ... and i need wireless :P
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19:17<dondelelcaro>gass: so use m-a to build them, though 3945 may have been merged.
19:17<gass>have been merged?
19:17<gass>nice, nice
19:17<dondelelcaro>as in "merged upstream"; put into the kernel by linus.
19:18<gass>yes, yes
19:18<gass>there was about time
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19:22<gass>thanks for the pointer dondelelcaro
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19:25<Engywuck>apropos kernel
19:26<Engywuck>why is even testing so ... behind in kernel development?
19:26<Engywuck>newest kernel there is a 2.6.22 variant, vanilla 2.6.23 is nearly six months old
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19:27<gass>mainly because new gcc version?
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19:28<gass>or new libc
19:28<Supaplex>Engywuck: <siyh> <wir> <sucks> also come to mind
19:28<noli>qq hai upgrade the distro and it works perfectly now !
19:29<Engywuck>oh, k then
19:29<qq>noli : de niente
19:29<Engywuck>hadn't found the site
19:31<panagos>does anyone know where i can find the open source drivers for ati radeon sapphire hd 2400 pro?
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19:33<jedi1>has anyone had a problem with ksoftirqd eating too much cpu time?
19:34<jedi1>it eats 30% of cpu time, even when only konsole is running
19:34<qq>jedi1 cat /etc/debian_version
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19:35<jedi1>kernel 2.6.22-3-686
19:35<jedi1>stock from cd
19:37<Supaplex>jedi1: have any wireless drivers?
19:37<jedi1>yup, pci ralink card
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19:38<jedi1>rt61 driver
19:38<Supaplex>run procinfo can tell you more, but youcould try disabling wireless and unloading the driver temporarily and compare loads
19:39<Supaplex>you save a buck on realtek, but they burn you on cpu$$
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19:41<jedi1>ok thanks I'll check that
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19:46<Engywuck>great... 2.6.24 depends on gcc-4.1 which depends on newer glibc, which is in freeze :(
19:47<helmut>Does someone know what "device doesn't appear to be in dev hash table" means?
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19:47<Supaplex>helmut: for what?
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19:47<helmut>Supaplex: error message from kernel during cryptsetup luksOpen
19:48<helmut>Supaplex: this happens during initramfs, once the system is booted luksOpen works.
19:48<helmut>Supaplex: I however fail to see missing modules.
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19:48<helmut>It looks a bit similar to this one
19:49<Supaplex>Engywuck: uh, gcc-4.1 is in etch
19:49<Engywuck>looks like it needs a newer version
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19:50<Supaplex>Engywuck: I compiled linux-2.6.25-rc3-mm1 just a day or two ago w/o issue on etch gcc-4.1
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19:50<Supaplex>it's not for a production machine, but a user mode linux guest (and some testing)
19:50<maks>yep what's that strange issue you say Engywuck
19:51<Engywuck>gcc-4.1 depends on libc0.1-dev-i386 which is not available in testing
19:51<Engywuck>for example
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19:55<helmut>missing cryptomgr
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19:58<avtobiff>i have installed the madwifi drivers but dont get any ath0 and wifi0 devices. what should i do to fix?
19:58<flypiper>this yaird replacement for initramfs-tools is really sweeeet.. after the upgrade nothing USB works at all
19:58<gsimmons>avtobiff: Have you loaded the ath_pci module?
19:59<avtobiff>sorry for leaving that out...
19:59<azeem>flypiper: USB works or not?
19:59<maks>yaird is severly b0rked flypiper
19:59<azeem>ah, maks highlights on it :)
19:59<maks>on initramfs yes azeem :)
19:59<flypiper>USB Doesn't work at all... working on a workaround now
19:59<maks>use initramfs-tools what prevents you flypiper ?
19:59<avtobiff>gsimmons, i have done everything that it says in w.d.o/MacBook, downloaded, installed (m-a) and loaded ath_pci but still no ath0 or wifi0
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20:00<flypiper>maks.. it's been removed form the etch feed it appears... and yaird has replaced it
20:00<flypiper>you can't use initramfs.. because you get the WAITING ON ROOT File system error
20:00<maks>yaird is gone from testing
20:00<Supaplex>madwifi, truth in adversiting. driving you mad over wifi every day.
20:01<maks>flypiper: pass a rootdelay=X bootparam
20:01<maks>where X is something around 5-9
20:01<maks>"you can't use" is a bold statement for the default :P
20:01<avtobiff>Supaplex, sure but i rather use madwifi than the current - ndiswrapper
20:01<flypiper>mks.. I will try it when finishes building on my other box.
20:02<maks>homebuild kernel
20:02<maks>sorry no support
20:02<Supaplex>avtobiff: true. I merly forgot </troll> as madwifi tends to be a pretty okay driver
20:02<avtobiff>Supaplex, :)
20:02<flypiper>Im using source.. cause the debian.deb for 2.6.18-6.. started the problem
20:02<avtobiff>no ideas?
20:03<maks>i don't have a crystallball telling me "the problem"
20:03<flypiper>maks, I tried the kernel in the feed first.. but I have to get a box up by daylight.
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20:04<maks>flypiper: if there is a trouble with linux-image 2.6.24 from unstable please report
20:05<maks>can't believe you have trouble from any image since 2.6.18 and you don't report
20:05<maks>also i have zero idea what your trouble is
20:05<flypiper>maks, I understand.. this is the first problem I have had with one from the feed
20:05<maks>what do you mean by feed flypiper ?
20:05<azeem>flypiper: what is "the feed"?
20:05<maks>haha :)
20:06<maks>security upgrade ?
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20:06<path>guys anybody know where I can watch online the DPL debate ?
20:06<maks>you can still boot the old one flypiper ?
20:06<flypiper>after upgrading from 2.6.18-5 to 2.6.18-6.. my nothing USB works.
20:06<flypiper>maks, yes
20:07<maks>please be more explicit i dont get "my nothing USB works"
20:07<maks>that is a quite confusing statement
20:07<Supaplex>!don't work
20:07<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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20:08<Supaplex>no usb devices? no mouse? no replugging? kernel freezes when you access usb? #debian scored an F in mind reading school? what?
20:09<flypiper>maks, Im sorry.. when I plug in a USB device it isn't seen by the kernel. usbview gives me the error "can't open /proc/bus/usb/devices" ... usually if I insert a USB Thumb drive or Camera into the notebook.. you will see it
20:10<Supaplex>can root ls /proc/bus/usb ?
20:10<maks>flypiper: what's that box, is that a server a laptop ?
20:10<flypiper>it's a laptop
20:10<hw>flypiper, is English your first language ?
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20:10<maks>then add latest linux-image from flypiper
20:10<flypiper>yes english is my only language
20:10<flypiper>maks, OK.. I will try it.. thanks
20:11<maks>should give you less power consumption
20:11<maks>afair still on 2.6.22 but soon on .25
20:11<maks>oops .24
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20:12<hazard2>So, I've got a laptop with an Atheros wireless card I can't get to work
20:12*Supaplex thought .25? really? starts typing ncftp ... wait. heh
20:12<hazard2>the lspci line is: 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
20:12<hazard2>Anyone know anything?
20:12<Supaplex>!tell hazard2 -about madwifi
20:12<maks>Supaplex: 2.6.25-rc5 is on build kernel snapshot
20:12<maks>hazard2 you could try trunk ath5k
20:13<Supaplex>maks: yeah. linux-2.6.25-rc3-mm1 is working well for me so far. I forget why I used -rc3-mm1 but i think it was for another patch i'm testing
20:13<hazard2>yes, that's also (aside from the madwifi) what google revealed
20:13<hazard2>but I can't seem to FIND them anywhere...
20:13<maks>see trunk apt lines
20:14<hazard2>the latest for dists?
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20:14<hazard2>(above the addsnapshots thingy?)
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20:14<hazard2>I'm stupid, claraify for me.
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20:15*Supaplex taunts trunk with some peanuts
20:15<hazard2>the subversion?
20:15<maks>deb trunk main
20:15<maks>hazard2: shall i open your editor too?
20:15<Supaplex>be nice :P
20:15<hazard2>YES! Please!
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20:16<hazard2>ah, but that says its for experimental
20:16<hazard2>I'm using stable etch
20:17<maks>ah then you are on madwifi track
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20:17<hazard2>linux-image-<blah>-686-smp is transitional? smp support is in the 686 baseline now?
20:17<maks>yep smp is runtime cpu hotplug
20:18<Supaplex>I never see what the big issue was with smp vs nosmp kernels anyway.
20:18<hazard2>so its autodetected on startup?
20:19<Supaplex>it's taken care of. using an smp kernel on a nonsmp host works fine.
20:19<maks>Supaplex: traditionaly you couldn't build *all* drivers on smp due to b0rkdness
20:19<Supaplex>ohhhh i see. :)
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20:20<Supaplex>that's what all that new klocking was about (and doing away with the ones that introduce pitfalls)
20:20<hazard2>Okay, I'm stupid (still), what am I doing in the experimental archive?
20:20<hazard2>ath5 dosen't come up with anything
20:21<Supaplex>did you update after editing sources.list?
20:21<maks>there are still some strange isa drivers that are marked broken on smp
20:21<hazard2>of course, I'm not THAT stupid.
20:21<Supaplex>!lart isa
20:21*dpkg --purges isa
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20:21<Supaplex>fixed. ;) hahaha
20:22<maks>hazard2: and installed newer linux image and rebooted into it?
20:22<hazard2>actually, its very angrily yelling at me that it isn't trusted.
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20:22<hazard2>and I can't seem to find a keyring for it.
20:22*Supaplex looks at the /topic
20:22<hazard2>hey--there's a topic!
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20:23<maks>wget -q -O - | apt-key add -
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20:23<maks>hazard2: ^^
20:23<avtobiff>is there some bug with the madwifi drivers, because i have not found anything that could remotely help me
20:23<hazard2>Hey! That's on the other page! (wow, I'm slow today--then again, it was a very _LONG_ day)
20:23*maks runs for some sleeep hate madwifi
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20:24<Supaplex>maybe !madwifi needs a rewrite :P
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20:24*Supaplex hasn't tested his madwifi card in months
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20:24<Supaplex>300mw of yummyness :)
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20:27<gsimmons>avtobiff: Please provide the output received for `lspci -nn' at a paste site.
20:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:27<avtobiff>gsimmons, sure thing (i know paste)
20:28<Supaplex>we only need one line, and that'll fit here. :)
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20:28<avtobiff>...that was my next question
20:28<avtobiff>i am running a macbook and it should work (maybe) with madwifi drivers.
20:28<avtobiff>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:0024] (rev 01)
20:28<maks>ath5k is in the works but still needs some hacks
20:29<Supaplex>!pciid [168c:0024]
20:29<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 168c:0024 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
20:29<hazard2>that's the chip that this machine has?
20:29<gsimmons>avtobiff: What Debian suite are you using?
20:29<maks>it is available since 2.6.24
20:29<avtobiff>gsimmons, lenny
20:29<avtobiff>lenny/unstable but this is from lenny
20:30<hazard2>stupid question: how do you decompress debs *WITHOUT* installing them?
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20:31<avtobiff>hazard2, dpkg -x some.deb iirc
20:31<avtobiff>hazard2, it is in the man page
20:31<avtobiff>hazard2, called "extract"
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20:31<hazard2>I was thinking, the gzip way, but yea, I thought of that after asking (having dpkg do it)
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20:32<panagos>i installed ati's official drivers for my ati radeon hd 2400, but glxinfo reports i have no direct rendering! (and i really do not)
20:32<avtobiff>Supaplex, that didn't give anything... so it is not supported?
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20:33<Supaplex>avtobiff: !pciid is only best effort. there are some false +'s and false -'s
20:33<Engywuck>!tell panagos about ati
20:33<avtobiff>Supaplex, k
20:33<Supaplex>avtobiff: I'm seeing if i can rebuilt it on a dev box, but my sources.list has some dain brammage :P
20:34<Engywuck>oh, and you need mesa or sth like that, IIRC
20:34<Supaplex>that looks better.
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20:36<avtobiff>Supaplex, ok
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20:36<whitehat>help please!
20:37<Supaplex>whitehat: ok, but first see what dpkg says
20:37<Supaplex>!tell whitehat -about ask
20:37<whitehat>How do I uninstall a apache server from my debian box
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20:37<Supaplex>whitehat: aptitude remove <packages>
20:38<whitehat>i tried that
20:38<hazard2>Do you have apache installed?
20:38<avtobiff>remove leaves configuration files
20:38<avtobiff>and data-directories iirc
20:38<Supaplex>whitehat: which apache? there's a handfull of them
20:38<hazard2>I know, usually when I'm canning the server, I don't care.
20:38<panagos>for <fglrx one-liner>, do i need unstable sources? or, should i install any unstable versions? e.g. xserver-xorg[-*], fglrx-*
20:39<hazard2>(or its because the config files are HORRIBLY BROKEN, thus the reason for the remove)
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20:39<Supaplex>avtobiff: not on etch here, but I'm off work now. \o/ see ye'all when I get home. :)
20:40<whitehat>Ok, maybe I don't want it uninstalled
20:40<panagos>** meaning /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner
20:40<avtobiff>Supaplex, hehe. it is 01.40 in the night here :)
20:40<whitehat>How do I set it up to use a domain name instead of my ip address?
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20:40<avtobiff>Supaplex, i may be in bed by the time you get home :)
20:41<whitehat>does anyone know?
20:41<avtobiff>whitehat, vhosts
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20:44<panagos>ok, i tried what /msg dpkg says about fglrx, but i'm still getting no direct rendering :|
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20:46<Engywuck>@panagos: mesa or sth. like that is installed?
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20:48<panagos>yes, i have libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa and mesa-utils
20:49<panagos>all testing
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20:50<drakode> como rayos hago para remover todo lo que pertenece a kde?
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20:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:50<drakode>shet, i'm sorry. this is my error
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20:56<rockstar>Anyone have a suggestion on an app that would tell me what process is making my hard drive grind every five minutes?
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20:57<gsimmons>avtobiff: There's no support for the AR5418 (aka AR5008) chipset within madwifi 0.9.4 RC2 or 0.9.4. You'll use to compile madwifi's trunk from subversion.
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20:57<gsimmons>s/use to/need to/
20:57<avtobiff>gsimmons, thanks
20:57<lucas_amorim>hello, which package do I have to install to use the sftp command in debian lenny???
20:58<gass>lucas_amorim, ssh-client
20:58<lucas_amorim>ok, thanks
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20:58<gass>lucas_amorim, openssh-client
20:59<gass>thanks avtobiff
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20:59<avtobiff>gass, np
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21:02<lucas_amorim>interesting, apt-get says it already has both packages, but i cant use sftp
21:02<lucas_amorim>it says command not found
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21:03<qq>what is your command ?
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21:04<lucas_amorim>sftp server
21:04<avtobiff>lucas_amorim, it is in openssh-client
21:04<lucas_amorim>where server is the server ip
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21:08<qq>lucas_amorim : command is run by root ?
21:09<lucas_amorim>no, by normal user
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21:09<qq>well, su 'comand'
21:10<lucas_amorim>not safe to log in a server as root user
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21:11<cTATUK>hi ... is there a way to maximize xtightvncviewer so that it doesn't have horizontal/vertical scroll bars?
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21:12<avtobiff>cTATUK, xtightvncviewer -f ?
21:12<cTATUK>fullscreen is really crappy
21:12<avtobiff>cTATUK, -fullscren
21:12<cTATUK>can't figure out how to exit / alt+tab out
21:12<avtobiff>och... what do you mean maximize?
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21:13<cTATUK>my local resolution is greater than the resolution of the system i'm connecting to
21:13<qq>lucas_amorim: a simple 'ftp' work ?
21:13<cTATUK>avtobiff: but the vncviewer window doesn't get bigger than a certain resolution
21:13<avtobiff>cTATUK, is that a problem? i would say a problem would be the other way around.
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21:13<avtobiff>cTATUK, i think that you are stuck with that.
21:14<cTATUK>how stupid is that?
21:14<avtobiff>cTATUK, why is that a problem?
21:14<avtobiff>i dont think that it is stupid
21:14<cTATUK>because i have to scroll to access all of the remote screen <.<
21:14<Engywuck>if the vncviewer won't get above 640x480 showing an 800x600 remote resolution on a 1024x768 screen?
21:14<avtobiff>cTATUK, eeh. ok.
21:14<avtobiff>i didn't catch that
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21:15<cTATUK>sooo wtf
21:15<cTATUK>i might have to use a different vnc client
21:15<cTATUK>..any suggestions?
21:16<lucas_amorim>qq thats what I am no understanding, since the machine i am talking about is not here but in my girlfriends house, i cant figure out the problem, i will get there tomorrow and take a look at her /usr/bin directory...
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21:16<avtobiff>cTATUK, wmDecorationWidth, wmDecorationHeight
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21:16<lucas_amorim>qq thank you anyway
21:16<lucas_amorim>qq buy
21:16<avtobiff>cTATUK, check the man page for that
21:16<cTATUK>avtobiff: how do i edit those?
21:16<avtobiff>hmm... or maybe not...
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21:16<avtobiff>cTATUK, it is in the man page
21:17<qq>lucas_amorim: ok
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21:17<avtobiff>cTATUK, but i dont think it will help you :/
21:17<cTATUK>why not
21:17<cTATUK>it might
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21:17<cTATUK>but no i don't think it will
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21:18<Engywuck>can't find anything in the manpage, too
21:18<avtobiff>cTATUK, sorry i dont know :(
21:18<Engywuck>try krdc?
21:19<Engywuck>or tsclient for gnome
21:20<noli>how can I get mozilla firefox on debian and delete epiphany ?
21:21<Engywuck>or simply vncviewer?
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21:22<cTATUK>they all use tightvnc
21:22<cTATUK>this stupid window can't get bigger this is so annoying
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21:25<torrr>is there an alternative to inotify?
21:28<chealer>noli: do you have any problem with Iceweasel?
21:29<noli>what is ice2a280z ?
21:29<noli>chealer, what is Iceweasel ?
21:29<chealer>!tell noli about iceweasel
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21:32<noli>chealer,I like it
21:33<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How would I add the "Open in terminal" menu option in GNOME?
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21:33<chealer>noli: OK. to delete epiphany you can remove the package providing it.
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21:37<noli>chealer, which ihb the package
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21:38<qq>noli: apt-get install epiphany- iceweasel iceape
21:39<chealer>noli: which Debian suite do you use?
21:39<chealer>qq: did noli ask how to install iceape?
21:40<chealer>qq: then why did you tell him how to do that?
21:40<qq>noli: apt-get install epiphany- iceweasel
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21:41<chealer>qq: epiphany is not the package which provides the Epiphany browser
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21:42<qq>ah ...
21:43<matthewpoer>!info epiphany-browser
21:43<dpkg>epiphany-browser: (Intuitive web browser - dummy package), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
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21:44<matthewpoer>qq, that's the one you're looking for. also I think there is a epiphany-browser-addons or -plugins or something to that effect.
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21:47<qq>noli: apt-get install epiphany*- iceweasel
21:48<kernfreak>anyone know how I can get small fonts in pure command line
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21:53<Engywuck>vga=... in grub?
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21:55<kernfreak>so its just a matter of passing an option to the kernel
21:55<Engywuck>one solution, yes :)
21:56<kernfreak>thought it had to do with the Frame Buffer
21:56<Engywuck>you can try vga=ask at first
21:56<Engywuck>if that doesn't work we need another solution :)
21:57<tcsetattr>you can use fbset to modify the fbcon's resolution
21:57<tcsetattr>...or SVGATextMode for vgacon, or use consolechars to select a smaller font
21:58<Engywuck>does fbset now work with every kernel?
21:58<tcsetattr>fbset works if you're using fbcon.
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22:01<kernfreak>im guessing a recompile will be nessasary
22:02<noli>I realize I already have Iceweasel
22:02<tcsetattr>sure, why pay attention to the 3 things I told you to do that have nothing to do with recmopiling anything
22:02<qq>noli ok
22:03<Engywuck>or the one i said :)
22:03<noli>I would delete epiphay
22:03<noli>I dont need two browser right ?
22:03<noli>qq so it would be better to have just one.
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22:05<qq>no , epiphany is needed for some apps , don't delete , but don't use him
22:05<noli>okI just put the wireless, and fixed the problem with the screen... I update to deb testing Lerry...
22:06<qq><noli> lenny not Lerry
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22:06<noli_>qq, ciao
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22:11<naoliv>Is it possible to have a "ghost" file that ls can't show, like this ?
22:11<naoliv>tela61.png.bak is on /tmp, but ls can't list it
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22:12<Engywuck>try "unalias ls"
22:12<Engywuck>and then try again
22:13<naoliv>The same result. Using "\ls -la" it isn't displayed too.
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22:14<Engywuck>hmmm, what shell are you using? bash?
22:14<naoliv>bash, yes
22:15<naoliv>If I try to open the file inside Firefox, for example, it isn't displayed too
22:15<naoliv>But it's there
22:15<Engywuck>what file system do you use?
22:15<Engywuck>curiouser and curiouser
22:16<Engywuck>never seen before
22:16<naoliv>Can a corrupted filesystem cause this?
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22:20<Engywuck>look at /etc/fstab if /tmp has a differnt fs
22:20<Engywuck>sometimes tmpfs is used there
22:21<Engywuck>if you think your fs is corrupted you shoul unmount the fs /tmp is on and test it
22:21<naoliv>Nothing with /tmp
22:21<noli>how can I see this option of my wireless ? source=sourcetype,interface,name
22:21<noli>I know interface is eth1
22:22<noli>whatabout sourcetype and name ?
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22:22<gsimmons>noli: kismet? Read the kismet documentation.
22:22<noli>gsimmons I read it, brounch of them..
22:22<qq>tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /lib/init/rw
22:22<gsimmons>noli: Read it again. The various source types are clearly explained.
22:22<noli>I dont understand what is that sourcetype and name
22:22<Engywuck>then reboot with a rescue system (on CD or UDB stick) and start e2fsck
22:23<gsimmons>!tell noli -about kismet
22:28<kernfreak>back, about "recompiling", I just wasnt sure if framebuffer support was in the kernel by default, srry
22:29<qq>kernfreak: what is your kernel /distrib ?
22:30<kernfreak>default kernel, havent recompiled the kernel yet
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22:30<qq>well , it's ok
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22:37<whitehat>Hello, how do you enable anonymous acess to proFTPd?
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22:37<martin_>in order to get my wireless bcm43xx to work do i have to recompile the kernel to enable it ive done a fresh unstable install ?
22:37<whitehat>I'm confused
22:38<whitehat>can anyone help?
22:39<whitehat>fine then another issue, how do u serch for wireless networks in debian?
22:40<gsimmons>martin_: If you're using a Debian stock kernel, no, the bcm43xx module is already included, you'd just need to supply firmware to operate your device. You can alternatively use the b43legacy driver on a 2.6.24 kernel.
22:41<martin_>gsimmons : actually i did intall the bcm43xx-fwcutter firmware but still undetected
22:42<gsimmons>martin_: How recent is your Broadcom wireless chipset? You may need to use the "b43" driver instead.
22:43<martin_>its not even listed in lspci nor is the bcm43xx when i for the chipset im not really sure its a dell inspiron 1501
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22:48<gsimmons>martin_: If you have a Mini-PCI device, verify the relevant support is enabled in your system's BIOS (eg. "MiniPCI Status" _and_ "Wireless Devices" set to 'on'). It's caught out a few people before and may explain its non-existence in lspci output.
22:48<Engywuck>!tell whitehat about kismet
22:48<Engywuck>one way to search for wireless networks :)
22:49<Engywuck>you could use kwlan or wifi-radar, too
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22:53<amphi>or even just iwlist scan
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22:59<suspect>how do you change rooms
23:00<kernfreak>./join #room
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23:04<martin_>ok im back on a new kernel image now lspci shows the wireless card but how do i get it to work
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23:06<gsimmons>martin_: Please provide the output received for lspci and `uname -r` at a paste site.
23:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
23:07<martin_>since its less than 3 lines here it is : 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 01) , 2.6.24-1-amd64
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23:09<gsimmons>martin_: Use the b43 driver. Install the 'b43-fwcutter' package to supply it with the necessary firmware.
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23:12<martin_>ok ima reboot then see if it works
23:12<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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23:13<martin_>see if i configured it in etc modules ang other ..
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23:16<INT_80h>ok, im game
23:16<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
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23:21<alejandro>hola a todos, tengo un problema con gdebi en lenny, al abrirlo se cierra casi inmediatamente
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23:21<alejandro>al buscar el package en la web de debian, me dice que solo esta para etch
23:22<alejandro>es por esto que falla ? o puedo correrlo de otra forma ?
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23:22<alejandro>falla por eso ?
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23:24<alejandro>como "uno" ?
23:24<kernfreak>como "dos" si
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23:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:26<alejandro>vale, gracias xD
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23:26<kernfreak>yea Im sure i wasnt much help
23:27<alejandro>thank you, bye
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23:32<walber_>hello everbody!!! I'm with a problem in mysql, when i try to connect
23:32<walber_>ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
23:33<walber_>somebody can help me?
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23:42<kernfreak>mmmmmm pizza rolls
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23:53<whitehat>ease help me! how do you close a port
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23:53<whitehat>how do you close a port I need to close my ftp port
23:53<Gekz>first, find some wood
23:54<Gekz>hammer, nails
23:54<whitehat>stop being mean I really need it closed
23:54<Gekz>sounds like a job best done in your router
23:54<Gekz>or to it.
23:54<kernfreak>hold up your hand
23:54<whitehat>why are you guys being mean?
23:54<kernfreak>feel for air to make sure the port is open
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23:55<kernfreak>Im not mean
23:55<Gekz>kernfreak: water rushes through ports -_-
23:55<whitehat>fine, how do you close a computer port(no not a usb port or any other hardware ports)
23:55<whitehat>you no what I mean
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23:56<whitehat>you guys suck
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23:56<kernfreak>just get omg
23:56<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
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23:57<Gekz>nazi aliens from uranus!
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23:59<chealer>Gekz: unless I'm missing some relation with Debian, this is offtopic.
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