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00:00<Gekz>I've read the rules -_-
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00:55<oddtod2>heya guys
00:56<clone>hello\
00:56<clone>is it me your looking for
00:56<clone>cause I wonder where you are
00:56<clone>and I wonder what you do
00:57<clone>are you somewhere feeling lonely
00:57<clone>or is someone loving you
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01:10<Guest1176>hola
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01:25<oddtod2>what is chroot used for?
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01:25<clone>man
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01:26<clone>usuall in Linux you shoud ask the reverse questions and never bother with those questions, cause they will never end, and lead nowhere
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01:27<clone>I guess some expert uses use chroot, but not me
01:27<clone>never
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01:29<oddtod2>haha the man file wasn't really a wealth of knowledge
01:29<oddtod2>i'll wiki it later i guess
01:31<zarchne>oddtod2: isolation for security purposes.
01:31<pmcastillo>(that's better)
01:31<zarchne>oddtod2: vserver could be described as "chroot on steroids".
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01:58<fxiny>Maulkin: when you wake up : my little contribution to lenny rc-bugsquash
01:58<fxiny>Maulkin: mrxvt-0.5.3 is still not fixed as for http://www.nabble.com/Bug-in-mrxvt-5.3-(and-a-patch).-td12431989.html . Yes : it will segfault with more then 20 ~/.mrxtrc profiles. Quick fix : i have just edited rxvt.h line number 1235 so now it reads : Rs_winTitleFormat, _Rs_winTitleFormat = MAX_PROFILES - 1 + Rs_winTitleFormat .I have successfully patched with no-scroll-with-buffer and compiled it on etch : ./configure --e
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01:58<fxiny>20 is not a sensible max tabs limit : alt+number switches tabs so i think 10 is a sensible figure 5 tabs/profiles limit is totally useless . 20 ? oh that will be a good laugh : kde and gnome can follow if they feel so ;) , have a nice day
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02:59<Rainier>is there anyway to get back root access if I ran usermod -L root as root and forgot to put my username in sudoers?
02:59<jm_>yes
03:00<Rainier>hehhe.. ok. Is it easy?
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03:00<tcsetattr>boot from CD, mount hard drive, and undo what you did
03:01<jm_>yeah, see above ;)
03:01<jm_>!fixmbr
03:01<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
03:01<Rainier>it's on a dedicated server machine though
03:01<jm_>that's majority of it
03:01<jm_>!i forgot root's password
03:01<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
03:01<jm_>even better
03:02<tcsetattr>ah yes init=/bin/sh, shoulda said that.
03:02<Rainier>can I just go from fsck onwards then because I can't reboot the machine as it's remote
03:03<jm_>no because you won't have root access?
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03:03<Rainier>ok, so how do I get root access back if the server is remote? i.e. can I reboot it and do the above remotely?
03:03<Rainier>when it reboots I will be disconnected from it
03:04<tcsetattr>if you have no console access, and are not in possession of a valid password, what distinguishes you from some random attacker trying to break in?
03:04<jm_>that depends on what kind of access they give to you I suppose
03:04<Rainier>I have the password
03:04<tcsetattr>not valid anymore
03:04<Rainier>I disabled root access though before I put my username in sudoers
03:04<Rainier>why isn't it valid anymore? does running usermod -L root change the pass?
03:04<tcsetattr>and now the universe punishes you for thinking like an Ubuntu weenie.
03:05<Rainier>heheh agreed.
03:05<Rainier>habits are bad..
03:05<tcsetattr>yes, usermod -L does a little bit of mangling of the crypted password, making it invalid
03:05<Rainier>hmm.. So I guess only way is to get hosting company to reinstall debian?
03:06<tcsetattr>or you can approach it as a random attacker would. watch the Debian security advisories and hope for a remote root exploit
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03:07<Rainier>hehehe, I only installed sshd and proftpd on it.. where can I view the security advisories?
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03:07<tcsetattr>the init=/bin/sh thing isn't too hard to do. neither is "boot a live CD and run mount /dev/hda1 /mnt;chroot /mnt;usermod -U root"
03:08<tcsetattr>just have to be there
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03:09<Rainier>yeah exactly, server is in UK I am in Austrlia makes it a bit hard.. thanks for your help.
03:10<tcsetattr>I don't suppose you had set up any other authentication methods for root... like .ssh/authorized_keys
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03:11<jaakko>Rainier: Is this a real single server or some hosting companys virtual server?
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03:12<jaakko>Rainier: you mentioned "hosting company", I think they have a root access and can get the passwd back (or what are they doing as hosting?).
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03:50<richchappy>hi
03:51<tingle>hi
03:53<richchappy>what we talkin about
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03:56<kernfreak>hi
03:58<clone>we talkin about debian computers dude
03:58<kernfreak>lol
03:58<clone>hows your debian computer, mine is fine thanks
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03:59<clone>My debian is mostly running XChat for downloading and chatting, Mozilla, for email, google, yahoo games, and vlc for media
03:59<kernfreak>I want to install debian on my wife so I can apt-get install better abs
04:00<kernfreak>well wait. that would make her Gp;
04:00<kernfreak>gpl*
04:00<Baggy2>Is there a way to find out what glibc version that a executable or static lib requires?
04:00<clone>I want to solid model my wife on Blender3d org, so I don't have to kill the bandwidth in my neighbourhood with all my porn downloading
04:00<vook>ok, it's quite. How do I change the MAC address of the cable interface on my cisco UBR 924?
04:00<kernfreak>:/
04:00<vook>*quite/quiet
04:00<spar74n>can anyone help i need to install debian from hdd i have grub already and hdd is partitioned
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04:00<clone>vook, You can not
04:01<clone>spar74n, you dont have cd's? or floppie?
04:01<kernfreak>if you could, it wouldnt work anyway
04:02<spar74n>clone i need to install on laptop cdrom died cant boot from network dont have floppy and cant boot from usb (laptop doesnt support)
04:02<vook>bleh - yeah - it'd have to be conditioned or something from my cable company.
04:03<kernfreak>umm
04:03<clone>spar74n, why no network?
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04:03<Jeffro>Hey, i have this situation. I have a linux debian server here and I want to take it to a lanparty so I have to set a static IP right now. But how to do that and how can I still get in the server remotely when the ip is changed?
04:03<spar74n>clone i dont have any here and i need wifi working for apt-get
04:03<clone>spar74n, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en
04:03<vook>*provisioned
04:04<kernfreak>no floppy,cdrom,network, or usb?
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04:04<jm_>Jeffro: man interfaces ; read stuff in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/
04:04<clone>spar74n, you gotta have nic at least man
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04:04<spar74n>clone i have windows and ubuntu on this machine
04:04<kernfreak>your only option is trough an iv
04:05<clone>spar74n, how many os's you gonna install?
04:05<spar74n>clone i can do that from ubuntu debootstrap but i need to do on another partition tha ubuntu is on right?
04:05<Jeffro>so just edit /etc/network/interfaces?
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04:05<jm_>spar74n: in theory you could overwrite it
04:05<spar74n>clone ubuntu is pretty heavy id like custom made things and shell and fluxbox
04:06<spar74n>jm_ hey man;) i tried everything yesterday cdrom is dead
04:06<spar74n>jm_ how can i overwrite it?
04:06<clone>spar74n, why would you want both Ubunto and Debian
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04:06<clone>spar74n, you should just take the laptop somewhere you can plug into network and use a net install cd
04:06<spar74n>clone cuz debian is better and i can learn a lot on it
04:07<clone>spar74n, I never tried Ubunto
04:07<spar74n>clone trust me if i could do that i would already
04:07<jm_>spar74n: via debootstrap method - you need kernel and initrd from Debian
04:07<Jeffro>ok problem....
04:07<spar74n>clone i work 12 hours a day as security guarrd in bank except sunday and saturday
04:07<clone>spar74n, install without usb, network, cd, ... lol
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04:08<Jeffro>i need to setup a pther dns server too
04:08<spar74n>clone saturday 7 hours
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04:08<Jeffro>and some wins servers
04:08<spar74n>clone so i cant get anywhere out of here lol
04:08<Jeffro>cant find the lines for that
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04:08<clone>thats bullshit, this modern life go people working too many hours
04:08<Schizophrenia>anyone can help me with rsync ?
04:08<spar74n>jm_ i can download all the stuff from ubuntu but if the install fails i will end with broken ubuntu
04:09<Schizophrenia>i got this msg while trying to use rsync at lenny
04:09<spar74n>jm_ not that i care too much but since cdrom is dead more oses the better lol
04:09<clone>spar74n, how come you download, and you cant do net install?
04:10<kernfreak>no cdrom
04:10<Schizophrenia>i got this msg while trying to use rsync at lenny Connection refused (111) rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(105) [receiver=2.6.9]
04:10<kernfreak>or floppy
04:10<kernfreak>or usb
04:10<clone>oh I see
04:10<Jeffro>so what lines do i need in /etc/network/interfaces to get the 2 dns and wins servers in
04:10<kernfreak>lol
04:10<spar74n>jm_ i partitioned hdd like this 4gb, 4gb, 4gb, 30gb ,a,5gb first 3 are main boot partitions containig oses 4th is like shared dump and last is swap
04:11<jm_>spar74n: you have 5G swap partition? what for?
04:11<vook>spar74n: if you wanna use debian, use debian. Wipe that ubuntu away and save some space. You'll have a semi-working debian system in no time, and then you can get on here we'll help you set it all up.
04:11<spar74n>clone i can download from windows in wich wifi is working
04:11<clone>spar74n, the link I gave you has for doing a hhd install, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en
04:11<kernfreak>lmao @ 5g swap
04:11<spar74n>lol
04:11<spar74n>1,5 gb
04:11<spar74n>sry
04:11<Gekz>whod doesnt need a 5GB swap
04:11<Gekz>man.
04:11<Gekz>if I didnt have 5GB of swap, I'd have nothing to put there.
04:11<kernfreak>lol
04:12<clone>spar74n, I have never been able to get wifi working, so you probably going to have problem
04:12<kernfreak>\me cries
04:12<Gekz>at one point i made an entire 500GB swap space :(
04:12<Gekz>I had nothing to do with it
04:12*kernfreak cries
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04:12<spar74n>clone supposedly ipw2200 should work
04:12<Schizophrenia>nyone can help me with this problem please.... i got this msg while trying to use rsync at lenny Connection refused (111) rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(105) [receiver=2.6.9]
04:13<kernfreak>you need more swap spar74n
04:13<clone>spar74n, I think there is no way, you are probably gonna have to wait until you have time off somewhere where you can plug in the computer to ethernet
04:13<spar74n>hmmm
04:13<spar74n>clone but i have a shitload of time here
04:13<kernfreak>you have no way of getting information into your computer
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04:14<spar74n>kernfreak i know man it was always something special in my case
04:14<clone>spar74n, kernfreak, he only has internet on Windows
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04:14<Gekz>lol
04:14<spar74n>lol
04:14<Gekz>i had that problem once.
04:14<spar74n>and on ubuntu
04:14<kernfreak>lmao
04:14<Gekz>I rectified it by installing linux
04:14<kernfreak>ubuntu and windows
04:14*Gekz nods
04:15<clone>spar74n, your best bet is to download the whole debian cd, that doesn't require net booting, and try to boot that
04:15<spar74n>i could do this from ubuntu > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
04:15<kernfreak>he has no cdrom
04:15<kernfreak>lol
04:15<spar74n>clone cdrom is dead
04:15<spar74n>i have cds
04:15<kernfreak>lol
04:15<spar74n>bitchass cdrom
04:15<spar74n>lol
04:16<clone>spar74n, I know, but don't burn the cd, just copy it to harddrive, and try to boot from harrdrive
04:16<vook>spar74n: do you have another pc?
04:16<spar74n>vook not here
04:16<clone>spar74n, it can be done. You can make windows boot the cd from your harddrive
04:17<vook>clone: do you have floppy?
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04:17<jm_>his CD drive doesn't work
04:17<spar74n>clone yes i was thinking that but i dont know how to make hdd installer i know to copy initrd and vmlinuz
04:17<clone>vook, why me?
04:17<vook>clone: sorry
04:17<spar74n>clone but packages and all of it dont know where do i put and how?
04:17<vook>spar74n: do you have floppy ?
04:17<clone>spar74n, you gonna have to edit boot.ini in windows
04:17<spar74n>vook no
04:17<kernfreak>I would at this point try and break up the cd, and glue it to the hard drive
04:17<clone>spar74n, or maybe you can do it bios, but I think boot.ini would be easier
04:18<clone>spar74n, www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en
04:18<spar74n>clone i tried with debian.exe
04:18<spar74n>but wifi not working i cant connect here
04:18<vook>spar74n: is the pc booting with grub?
04:18<spar74n>vook yes
04:19<clone>spar74n, screw debian.exe, I never heard of it. Ok first you need to make harddrive space. You can boot ubunto, and make format a partiion and copy it that partition
04:19<spar74n>clone
04:19<spar74n>clone ok
04:19<spar74n>lol
04:20<clone>spar74n, or maybe you can use partition majic to shrink windows a little too
04:20*vook thinks that spar74n could download the netinst iso, and somehow boot directly from the iso using grub... (maybe extract netinst to the swap partition).
04:20<spar74n>clone no need i have 4 gb empty partition
04:20<spar74n>vook that would be gr8
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04:20<Baggy2>I have a library, libMyLib.a, which has been compiled with several cross compilers (gcc-3.4.5-glibc-2.3.6, gcc-4.1.1-glibc-2.5 and gcc-4.1.1-glibc-2.6.1). My question is, do they really need to ship all of these when the lib is of type .a?
04:21<clone>spar74n, then you can use can make a small fat partition, and use Windows to download to that partition, and then Ubunto, to make a ext3 partition, and copy to from fat
04:21<spar74n>vook i was thinking something like that just dont know how to put it on hdd
04:21<clone>spar74n, or can Ubunto mount ntfs
04:21<spar74n>clone i have 30gb fat32 partition i download onto it it is shared between winblows and ubuntu
04:22<spar74n>clone and i have netinst iso already with ipw2200 firmware in it
04:22<clone>spar74n, make 1gig, and then in ubunto, make it 29 gig ext3
04:22<clone>spar74n, oh, then this should be easy
04:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>For timidity "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory", am I missing a modprobe/packages (use timidity as a sequencer)
04:22<jm_>Baggy2: compile on lowest version and it should work with all
04:23<spar74n>clone so i just need somehow to install base debian and put firmware into /lib/firmware and im off to go then
04:23<clone>spar74n, grub?
04:23<vook>spar74n: download the debian 4.0 netinst and extract the contents to the swap partition. In the meantime, set up a swap file and turn off the swap partition. Then set up a line in grub to boot to the partition where swap exists. (you'll have to turn swap into ext2).
04:23<spar74n>clone ipw2200 should work then and i have net and apt-get working
04:23<vook>spar74n: you could place your swapfile on that ext2 partition.
04:24<clone>spar74n, yeah, I never knew about ipw2200 firmware
04:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I use ipw3945, might have a few answers
04:24<spar74n>clone into that 1,5gb swap?
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04:24<Baggy2>jm_: ah, so if my system includes gcc-4.1.1 and glibc-2.6.1 and can still link a library that was built with gcc-3.4.5 and glibc-2.3.6?
04:24<Schizophrenia>i got this msg while trying to use rsync at lenny Connection refused (111) rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(105) [receiver=2.6.9]
04:25<spar74n>clone or onto any partition i want ( i can resize any partition tough)
04:25<clone>spar74n, well you have a window partition, an Ubunto partition, and a fat shared between both, but you are also going to need a new partition on which you gonna install debian
04:25<spar74n>clone i have a 4gb free partition for debian already
04:26<Baggy2>err.. the second "and" should've been an ",I"
04:26<jm_>Baggy2: yeah
04:26<spar74n>clone i partitioned hdd like 3 4gb boot partitions 30 gb fat32 and 1,5gb swap
04:26<spar74n>3x4gb boot sry
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04:26<unknown>PiCtUrEs!!! I need pictures!!! first time linux and its making me insane!
04:27<clone>spar74n, i see, ok, let me read a bit, I am thinking about it
04:27<clone>I wish jm_ was here, he would know exactly what to do
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04:27<unknown>but WAHOO I am in irc anyway and i sorta installed it myself using the apt ..
04:27<spar74n>clone so its like hd0,0 is ntfs (winblows) hd0,1 is ubuntu hd0,2 would be debian hd0,3 is fat32 and hd0,4 is swap
04:28<spar74n>brb
04:28<spar74n>job calls
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04:28<unknown>dejvu ... had to make partitions to ..
04:29<unknown>so for a real question ... how do i get wine to load up an app from my drive c windows??
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04:30<clone>spar74n, I don't think you can share the swap between Ubunto and Debian
04:30<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks, but what about this: This is why compiling and linking static library and application
04:30<Baggy2>on the same system is not a problem; the resulting binary will
04:30<Baggy2>run on both linuxthreads and NPTL systems, since they will use
04:30<Baggy2>the versioned glibc functions. However, a static library does not
04:30<Baggy2>reference versioned functions until it is linked with either a
04:30<Baggy2>shared library or an application. Thus, if you compile the static
04:30<Baggy2>library on a linuxthreads systems but link an application against
04:30<vook>clone: untrue
04:30<Baggy2>it on a NPTL systems, things will break, since the static library
04:30<Baggy2>expects an older version of glibc but gets linked against a new
04:30<Baggy2>version.
04:30<jm_>Baggy2: yes that will be a problem
04:30<clone>vook, well, what about if you are doing a cross-install
04:31<jm_>the only time sharing swap might be a problem if you're using suspend to disk on that swap partition
04:31<clone>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
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04:32<Baggy2>jm_: um.. so I guess that is why they ship all the different versions of the lib?
04:32<jm_>Baggy2: who does?
04:33<unknown>so no winehq helpers??
04:33<unknown>ok ... well you all have a good night ..
04:33<Baggy2>A sweedish company, making c++ framework for rapid development, delievered as libs
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04:34<jm_>possibly yes
04:34<Baggy2>Just wondered if they really needed all of those libraries when the lib is not dynamic
04:35<Baggy2>but I guess a mismatch in glibc could be a problem..
04:35<Baggy2>but different versions of gcc is not a problem, right?
04:35<jm_>it might be for c++
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04:36<Baggy2>jm_: mmm.. why is that?
04:36<jm_>Baggy2: ABI incompatibility
04:36<jm_>!abi
04:36<dpkg>methinks abi is application binary interface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface
04:38<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks, always thought ABI was just a typo for API *lol*
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04:41<phorce1>could someone running lenny do an apt-cache search 2\.6\.18 and tell me if anything shows up?
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04:43<vook>phorce1: I'm running lenny, but have etch sources as well - so yes.
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04:44<morgan`>hello
04:45<phorce1>vook: So lenny rolls off old kernel versions when an update apperas. That sucks. I'm going to have to add etch sources back in or go grab the kernel tarball to build a 2.6.18 kernel so I can compile the v4l modules for my DVB-S card.
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04:45<vook>phorce1: there is no harm in having lines for both etch and testing in /etc/apt/sources.list
04:47<spar74n>im back
04:47<phorce1>vook: I try to avoid doing that because I tend to forget to remove older source lines as I move up to newer versions
04:48<spar74n>clone u there? ubuntu is based on debian
04:48<spar74n>i think i can share same swap
04:48<phorce1>hmmm pidgin just crashed for some unknown reason. brb, reading bug-buddy crash report
04:48<spar74n>clone tough only one os can use it at a time
04:49<clone>spar74n, you can share it, but I think during the install you can't
04:49<vook>phorce1: /clear
04:49<vook>oops
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04:49<clone>spar74n, you put this link right? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
04:49<spar74n>clone so i basically just need to copy whole iso content onto some partition and point it in grub to its initrd an vmlinuz?
04:50<phorce1>vook: /clear doesn't remove the extra lines from sources.list
04:50<spar74n>clone yes
04:50<vook>phorce1: :)
04:50*phorce1 is brain dead about stuff like that too frequently
04:50<clone>spar74n, yeah, it pretty complicated, but in that example they expecting to have a net iso, but you can replace with the full disk one cd
04:50<clone>spar74n, you have to do the install manually
04:50<spar74n>clone ok i have a net iso
04:50<vook>phorce1: I started writing something to you, then forgot, then typed /clear
04:51<spar74n>clone i mean i have 180 meg netiso
04:51<spar74n>clone the point is i need base system
04:51<spar74n>and from there i can do it on my own
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04:51<clone>spar74n, but that link example configure the nic for basic ethernet, it doesn' show the wireless example
04:52<spar74n>clone its not that big problem to put debian packages on usb
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04:52<spar74n>clone and point sources.lst to it
04:52<spar74n>clone i can download packages from windows or even ubuntu and put them onto debian partition
04:53<clone>yeah, you have to pick a kernel, and put it on usb then, I thought you didn't have a usb. Also yo uhave to type out /etc/fstab
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04:53<spar74n>clone i cant boot from usb
04:53<spar74n>clone pm?
04:53<clone>k
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05:15<Baggy2>I wanted to make a script that could change my environment variables and PATH, just made a simple /bin/bash script, but when the script finishes the environment is reset as it was before.. why is this?
05:16<Baggy2>I export all variables like I do in shell.. but there it works :/
05:16<tcsetattr>because every process has its own environment. your script is a separate process,a nd can't modify its parent's environment.
05:17<Baggy2>tcserattr: but what about .bashrc, that is just a script that is run at startup, is it not?
05:18<jm_>Baggy2: help source
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05:22<Baggy2>jm_: thanks, just what I needed =)
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05:25<twb>Short of using the resolvconf package, is there any way of telling dhclient3 "write to /etc/resolv.conf.upstream, not /etc/resolv.conf!" ?
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05:30<techt0nix>how i find out what my video card driver is?
05:31<techt0nix>the one that is already running
05:31<twb>techt0nix: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf, or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:37<mike^^>uhm
05:37<mike^^>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata
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05:38<mike^^>and no more dist-upgrade
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05:38<mike^^>anyone?
05:38<twb>mike^^: dpkg --reconfigure -a ?
05:39<mike^^>dpkg-reconfigure -a ?
05:39<mike^^>i tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata that ditn work
05:39<jm_>dpkg-reconfigure is not the same as dpkg --pending --configure
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05:40<mike^^>hm no go, was the frist update from stable to testing
05:40<vook>mike^^: ya - I had that issue too... I think some file was corrupt.
05:40<mike^^>hm
05:41<vook>mike^^: are you receiving some end of line error too?
05:41<mike^^>no just that one then it exits from apt
05:41<mike^^>this is in vmware tho
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05:42<vook>I ending up finding some file that was one line of garbage, removed it, and then it worked.
05:43<tcsetattr>/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin corrupt maybe?
05:43<vook>I think it was tzdata.list in /var/lib/dpkg/info
05:45<mike^^>it seems to be good
05:45<jm_>bts time
05:45<vook>hmm - mist be something different.
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05:45<vook>it's this d*&m happy hacking keyboard lite. :/
05:46<twb>jm_: bts: Couldn't find a unique match for the command time! ?
05:46<jm_>twb: haha
05:47<tcsetattr>dude! send me your Happy Hacker if you don't like it! I live in fear of the day it fails and has to be replaced. (although I've already spilled drinks all over it and it just won't die)
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05:48<twb>I like having the begin/end/next/previous keys down the side, which HH doesn't have :-(
05:48<gsimmons>twb: (re dhclient3) You can, by creating an enter hook (eg. /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/resolvconf_upstream) that redefines the make_resolv_conf function. See dhclient-script(8) for more details.
05:48<twb>And a penguin key for my WM bindings
05:48<twb>gsimmons: ooh, that's MUCH better than what I was going to do (rewrite dhclient-script)
05:48<vook>tcsetattr: I love it actually...
05:49<tcsetattr>what does dpkg --configure tzdata say?
05:50<mike^^>installed and configured aand Errors were encountered while processing:
05:51<twb>Purge and reinstall it
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05:54<vook>tcsetattr: did you get a black one?
05:54<tcsetattr>no, mine's beige... it's a pretty old one.
05:55<vook>tcsetattr: ya - mine is old too, and they were out of stock of black (as usual) when I bought it.
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05:58<mike^^>dpkg -i --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata_2007k-4_all.deb
05:58*dpkg removes a kidney from mike^^ and replaces it with --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata_2007k-4_all.deb
05:58<mike^^>worked
05:58<mike^^>donno why i added the auto-deconfigure. seemed logical
05:58<mike^^>but htanks
05:58<mike^^>thanks even
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06:10<scratchy>hi, is there a way to add a mp3 to the current playing list, with vlc player, per commandline?
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06:31<munga>hi all, I'd like to but a ts-209 and to use debian with it. My idea it to install the OS on a usb key and use the two disks only as storage. Is this possible ? Is it possible to boot from usb ?
06:31<munga>not very debian related... :)
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06:33<jm_>yes if your hardware supports it
06:33<Bonhomme>hi there, I have a simple question. someone issued a shutdown command on a server, I want to trace which user elevated to root (the only way to get there is "su") most recently before the command was run
06:34<Bonhomme>(and if possible, a conclusive link that it was run from their session)
06:34<Bonhomme>the server is running debian sarge
06:34<jm_>Bonhomme: grep 'su[[]' /var/log/auth.log
06:34<twb>munga: you can boot from a USB stick; Debian Live makes this easy using Debian.
06:35<twb>munga: not all peecees support booting from USB, however.
06:35<Bonhomme>jm_: ah thanks
06:36<twb>munga: also, it's probably not advisable to put the root partition on USB key unless you're not going to be mount it -o ro (read only), because SSDs have a relatively limited number of writes.
06:36<weasel>just use a filesystem that's designed for that kind of storage
06:36<twb>jm_: heh, I'd have written \[ instead of [[]
06:37<Bonhomme>jm_: for general education, is it possible to know say the pty of the user who elevated, along with pty the command was run from, or match the command to the PID of the su command that elevated that user, or something like that?
06:37<twb>weasel: even with wear levelling, it's advisable to minimize writes
06:37<munga>twb: my problem was related to the qnap ts-209, that is a nas ... I was wondering if that particular hw supports boot from usb
06:37<jm_>Bonhomme: user's "pts" logged in auth.log - didn't grep show it?
06:38<Bonhomme>(although in this case it's pretty conclusive - 18:04:11, a user elevated to root, 18:04:14 shutdown starting logged in syslog, 18:04:16 user's root session closed)
06:38<jm_>Bonhomme: ahh I see what you mean - last should show it
06:38<Bonhomme>jm_: ah ok, it's pts/0 although it seems to be pts/0 all the time, so I thought it was fishy
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06:39<jm_>heh nice, my wtmp is not updated since mar 1
06:40<Bonhomme>jm_: ah ok, so I can see when the user logged in, but can i see
06:41<Bonhomme>jm_: "this shutdown command was run by root at pts/0"
06:41<Bonhomme>jm_: or something like that
06:41<jm_>yesah
06:41<jm_>Bonhomme: did you run "last" by now?
06:42<Bonhomme>jm_: yep, it shows me a list of users to last log in and their pts
06:42<Bonhomme>jm_: and the times they logged in/out
06:42<jm_>Bonhomme: but not shutdown?
06:42<Bonhomme>jm_: no
06:42<jm_>Bonhomme: how about last -x?
06:43<Bonhomme>jm_: although one session is listed as "11:48 - down (06:15)"
06:43<jm_>that's it
06:43<Bonhomme>hmm ok
06:43<gsimmons>munga: There's some recent (~3-4 days old) posts regarding the QNAP Turbostation on the debian-arm mailing list, which may be of interest.
06:43<Bonhomme>sigh, nuffy new admin rebooted wrong box by mistake
06:43<Bonhomme>then I get a call saying "why isn't internet working"
06:44<Bonhomme>oh well, I guess that's better than discovering your firewall's been compromised from the outside
06:44<Bonhomme>jm_: thanks for the help ^_^
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06:48<sas67>hello
06:49<chandu>Hi
06:49<chandu>"dd" command fails in betweeb
06:49<sas67>i need to check if encryption is enabled in etch
06:49<sas67>using flux 2.3 and tornado 3.17
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06:50<sas67>using amp also
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06:52<chandu>Hi "dd" is not dumping the full record
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06:54<chandu>its stopping in between
06:54<chandu>If i try to create image of 1G
06:54<chandu>its stopping at 500MB
06:54<chandu>whhat is the reason
06:56<spar74n>debian hangs on boot time waiting for root filesystem too long
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06:57<spar74n>should i let it wait or something?
06:58<clone>spar74n, so you can't log in?
06:58<jm_>spar74n: no, something's not right then
06:58<clone>chandu, try specifying 1gig
06:58<spar74n>jm_ i managed to install it and all it starts but stops at starting root filesystem
06:59<spar74n>jm_ it says waiting for root filesystem....
06:59<jm_>spar74n: that's because it can't mount your /
06:59<clone>chandu, I saw something in man page, it say bs=bytes
07:00<spar74n>jm_ if i had specified wrong partition on grub it wouldnt start at all
07:00<spar74n>jm_ i dont understan why?
07:00<spar74n>jm_ i actually managed to boot iso from grub and iso was located at fat32 partition lol
07:00<jm_>spar74n: uhm grub can't do that to the best of my knowledge
07:01<spar74n>jm_ it did in this case
07:01<clone>spar74n, so when you installed it, you made it fat, and now you should make sure that grub points to the ext3 now instead of the fat
07:01<spar74n>jm_ ;)
07:01<jm_>spar74n: what exactly did you run in grub then?
07:01<spar74n>jm_ no i installed to ext3
07:02<clone>jm_ he did a harddrive install
07:02<Engywuck_>@chandu: what is your dd command line?
07:04<spar74n>jm_ for booting from iso or for booting already installed debian?
07:04<spar74n>clone i made another entry into the grub to point to ext3 partition
07:04<spar74n>clone and it boots but hangs at waiting for root filesystem
07:04<spar74n>begin mounting root filesystem
07:04<spar74n>something
07:04<spar74n>waiting for root filesystem
07:04<spar74n>and stops
07:04<jm_>spar74n: iso
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07:04<spar74n>jm_ i put iso into hd0,4
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07:05<ninnghizidha>whats the difference between the xen and the xen-vserver-packages?
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07:08<jm_>spar74n: how?
07:08<chandu>Engywuck_, dd bs=1M count=1024 if=/dev/cciss/cod0p1 of=/tmp/test.img
07:08<spar74n>jm_ sry was afk job called lol
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07:09<Engywuck_>is there enough free space for a 1GB file on /tmp?
07:09<Engywuck_>does the if have 1GB of data readable?
07:09<Engywuck_>(i don't know what /dev/cciss is, that's why i'm asking
07:09<Engywuck_>)
07:10<spar74n>jm_ title ------------<<<<<<<<< IsoLoader
07:10<spar74n>root (hd0,4)
07:10<spar74n>kernel /iso/vmlinuz
07:10<spar74n>initrd /iso/initrd.gz
07:10<chandu>Engywuck_, yes there is enough space
07:10<jm_>compaq disk array
07:10<jm_>spar74n: ok I see, that's not loading the ISO :)
07:10<spar74n>jm_ it worked cd started and installation was sucessful
07:10<Engywuck_>hmmm, then test a dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testzero bs=1M count=1024
07:10<jm_>spar74n: yes, that's how you install from hard disk for example
07:11<jm_>spar74n: what did you put for root= parameter?
07:11<spar74n>jm_ it loaded the iso that vmlinuz and initrd.gz are especially for iso loading
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07:12<spar74n>jm_ root is hd0,2
07:12<spar74n>windows is hd0,0 ubuntu is hd0,1
07:12<spar74n>and debian is hd0,2
07:12<jm_>spar74n: and your kernel command line in grub is?
07:12<spar74n>other partitions are extended
07:12<chandu>Engywuck_,I have tried even taht
07:13<spar74n>jm_ for debian title Debian GNU Linux 4.0r3 2.6.18-6-686
07:13<spar74n>root (hd0,2)
07:13<spar74n>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 ro vga=792
07:13<spar74n>initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-686
07:13<Engywuck_>with the dame result: 500MB file?
07:13<jm_>spar74n: what kind of disk do you have?
07:13<Engywuck_>what filesystem do you use for /tmp?
07:14<spar74n>jm_ hmmm
07:14<Engywuck_>just a subdir of / or tmpfs?
07:14<jm_>spar74n: ide/sata? what did ubuntu use? sda?
07:14<spar74n>sda yes
07:14<jm_>spar74n: try root=/dev/sda3
07:15<spar74n>jm_ k will give a try
07:15<padski>how can i do [ -e foo* ]
07:15<spar74n>jm_ where i put it in grub right? insted aof root (hd0,2) right?
07:15<jm_>spar74n: no, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 ro vga=792 root=/dev/sda3
07:16<spar74n>k
07:16<padski>better than [ `ls -1 foo* | wc -l` -gt 0 ]
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07:17<chandu>Engywuck_, Even same with 500MB
07:18<chandu>Engywuck_, I tried to dump it on to my http server
07:18<chandu>Engywuck_, I used "dd ....|curl http://myserverip:port/path"
07:18<chandu>Engywuck_, even that failes
07:19<chandu>Engywuck_, this happens in one model of machines
07:19<chandu>Engywuck_, machine
07:19<chandu>Engywuck_, but the same dd and upload of that file works in another machine
07:19<tcsetattr>chandu, try it with count=500 skip=500, see how much that gets you. (it should skip the first 500 of the input, and give the next 500. if it gives less, I think your input is just smaller than you though)
07:19<Engywuck_>hehe, you answered the second I wanted to aks others for help ;-)
07:19<jm_>padski: hmm not sure which is the most elegant way to do that - in general echo foo* is enough, no need to use ls
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07:20<padski>jm_, echo foo* outputs foo* when there is no foo
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07:21<padski>what I actually want to do is mv some file specified by a glob in a makefile and not care if there are none
07:22<chandu>tcsetattr, how come if I use /dev/zero ..input becoms less
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07:22<tcsetattr>if [ "`echo foo*`" != "foo*" ] || [ -e "foo*" ]; then echo yep; fi
07:22<jm_>padski: ahh that's bash -- mv ... || echo mv failed
07:22<tcsetattr>chandu, parse error. what?
07:22<chandu>tcsetattr, I didnt get you
07:23<tcsetattr>start over.
07:23<tcsetattr>did you try my idea or not?
07:23<padski>yeah I just settled for || true
07:23<chandu>tcsetattr, I didnt try ..but my question is its failing even I use /dev/zero
07:23<padski>tcsetattr, thanks :-)
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07:24<tcsetattr>/dev/zero certainly shouldn't have any end to it. it should keep going until your output runs out of room
07:24<chandu>tcsetattr, then how come it is failinig
07:25<chandu>tcsetattr, if I give bs=1 count=1024 ..its coming only upto 300 , 400 , 500 MG each time
07:25<tcsetattr>how would I know? you're the one looking at it. did it give an error message?
07:25<jm_>chandu: what does ulimit -f say?
07:25<chandu>tcsetattr, no it didnt give any error msg
07:26<chandu>jm, one min
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07:27*tcsetattr wonders if chandu is just misjudging what actually happened
07:27<chandu>tcsetattr, No I dont think misjudgement
07:28<chandu>tcsetattr, What exactly I am tryin to do is ..
07:28<chandu>tcsetattr, I am capturing my HDD image and uploading it my server
07:28<chandu>tcsetattr, Iam using this command
07:28<chandu>tcsetattr, dd bs=1M if=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 count=1024 | curl -v --connect-timeout 5 --upload-file - http://10.210.42.149:3462/upload/junkX.dat
07:28<tcsetattr>you're saying dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=1024 && ls -l foo, shows the wrong size and no error messages?
07:29<chandu>tcsetattr, Even I tried dd bs=1M if=/dev/zero count=1024 | curl -v --connect-timeout 5 --upload-file - http://10.210.42.149:3462/upload/junkX.dat
07:29<chandu>tcsetattr, Both are not uploading full 1G image to my server
07:29<chandu>tcsetattr, uploading is stopping in between after some 400 MB or 500 MB
07:29<tcsetattr>so you think dd is misbehaving instead of blaming the obviously more complicated (and therefore bug-susceptible) curl?
07:29<chandu>tcsetattr, I tested by jsut doing only upload of 1G file ..it uploads successfully
07:30<chandu>tcsetattr, so curl is working fine
07:30<chandu>tcsetattr, Hence I thought dd is not working
07:30<tcsetattr>have you even tried it WITHOUT the curl, with a local destination?
07:31<chandu>tcsetattr, Yes tried ..its not creating the full image
07:32<tcsetattr>ok so why don't we settle on a single problem instead of having you change it all the time. Forget curl, don't mention it again until the _local_ thing is fixed.
07:32<fxiny>assuming netcat listening : dd if=/dev/hd | nc -w 5 ipdest port
07:33<tcsetattr>do the skip thing I suggested a long way back.
07:33<tcsetattr>you're too busy coming up with new things to complain about and not trying the suggestions you get
07:34<chandu>tcsetattr, ok will try it first
07:34<chandu>fxiny, what does this command do
07:35<chandu>fxiny, nc -w ipdest port
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07:35<jm_>sends all your porn to the fbi
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07:36<{xmb}>how to change the fb resolution once its booted
07:36<fxiny>chandu: it uses netcat to transfer dd output , i won't recommedn it . just to say you don't really need bs and count , maybe a pipe to split ?
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07:37<spar74n>jm_ ok i finally did it
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07:37<fxiny>hahah the fbi is the source of all pr0n :P
07:37<jm_>{xmb}: apt-cache show setfb
07:37<{xmb}>thx
07:37<spar74n>jm_ there is only one tiny problemo
07:37<jm_>spar74n: you mean I did it? :P
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07:38<{xmb}>i dont have that package
07:38<spar74n>jm_ haha w8 a second 8 there debian recognizes ipw2200 but there is a problem
07:38<spar74n>jm_ eternet intrfaces are not configured
07:38<{xmb}>in my archive that is
07:38<jm_>which version of debian would that be?
07:39<spar74n>4.0r3
07:39<jm_>spar74n: anything useful in dmesg output?
07:39<{xmb}>newest knoppix 5.3 with updated sources
07:39<jm_>spar74n: not you
07:39<jm_>!knoppix
07:39<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
07:39<{xmb}>its nearly empty there - and it uses the official apt sources, stable, testing, unstable and experimental
07:39<spar74n>jm_ lol k i did not get dmesg i suppose i need to config interfaces
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07:39<{xmb}>however apt showed some errors on stable and testing
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07:39<jm_>!info fbset stable
07:40<dpkg>fbset: (framebuffer device maintenance program), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1-19 (etch), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 324 kB
07:40<spar74n>jm_ only interfac is lo
07:40<jm_>wrong
07:40<jm_>spar74n: ls /sys/class/net
07:40<{xmb}>failed to fetch..http..dists/stable..binary..gz
07:41<spar74n>jm_ ?
07:41<{xmb}>404 - 3 for stable and 3 for testing
07:41<jm_>spar74n: !!! -- that will show available interfaces
07:41<spar74n>jm_ i cant do that now and here
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07:41<spar74n>i gotta reboot into debian
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07:42<jm_>spar74n: it will be much easier if you can be online and work on it at the same time
07:42<spar74n>jm_ i can however change files on debian partition
07:42<{xmb}>k it fetches the .gz'es from another mirror
07:42<{xmb}>thx
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07:42<fxiny>tcsetattr: i was not it : what is the skip thing ? conv=noerror,sync ?
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07:42<{xmb}>whats your prob spar?
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07:43<ninnghizidha>how to list all installed packages?
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07:43<vook>{xmb}: scroll up about two hours
07:44<{xmb}>heh well i joined before
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07:44<jm_>!tell ninnghizidha -about list all packages
07:44<{xmb}>ninn, dpkg -l and dpkg -l awk /^ii/
07:44<ninnghizidha>hihi - thanks :)
07:44<{xmb}>dpkg -l | awk - nm
07:44<dpkg>ii | awk - nm 2.4-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
07:44<fxiny>aptitude search ~i :P
07:46<spar74n>jm_ yes i know
07:46<spar74n>jm_ but unfotunately for me to be online i need wifi working
07:46<spar74n>lol
07:46<spar74n>jm_ under dir sys in debian partition there is nothing
07:46<spar74n>jm_ dir sys is empty
07:46<spar74n>jm_ is there anything i can do?
07:46<spar74n>jm_ can i make interfaces or is there any program that autodetects and sets them up?
07:46<jm_>spar74n: /sys is like /proc...
07:46<jm_>spar74n: you have my permission!
07:47<spar74n>jm_ ?
07:47<jm_>spar74n: !
07:47*vook comforts jm_
07:48<spar74n>jm_ i got these two msgs maybe wlan broke?
07:48<jm_>spar74n: can't you continue working on this at home where you have working inet connection and another computer?
07:48<spar74n>jm_> spar74n: /sys is like /proc...
07:48<spar74n>jm_> spar74n: you have my permission!
07:49<{xmb}>well jm, its fbset, not setfb
07:49<{xmb}>thx
07:50<jm_>doh, I thought I said fbset - I first searched for setfb, haven't found it, and then found fbset but oibviously mentioned the wrong one, but I used the right one when asking dpkg about it
07:50<jm_>sorry
07:50<spar74n>jm_ yeah i can but i got to take my stuff home then nvm m8 dont worry i will figure it out;) guys thx a million u were gr8 help;)
07:50<{xmb}>mm np really
07:51<jm_>spar74n: well if you boot into it make sure to capture dmesg output in /tmp
07:51<{xmb}>however i try -xres and -yres and same for virtual settings, no change
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07:53<spar74n>jm_ is dmesg on by default or i have to dmesg | tail (sorry for noobis questions:)
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07:54<jm_>spar74n: it's a command
07:55<spar74n>jm_ ok so u need what part?
07:56<spar74n>jm_ its sotred on partition in /var/log
07:56<jm_>spar74n: dmesg > /tmp/blabla
07:58<spar74n>jm_ i have dmesg here what part u need?
07:58<spar74n>jm_ its big i cant put it all here lol
07:58<E0x>hello
07:58<jm_>spar74n: I have no idea, just look if there's anything about it -- use a paste site
07:59<E0x>how i can't add a options to my kernel in grub config file and it remain after a update-grub run ?
07:59<jm_>E0x: read the comments in it, kopt or somesuch
07:59<spar74n>jm_ http://pastebin.ca/940922
08:00<E0x>jm_: ok
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08:00<spar74n>jm_ it says nothing special it detects ipw2200 and ethernet but interfaces are not configured
08:00<E0x>"Hardware Error"
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08:01<jm_>spar74n: ok, boot into it, ls /sys/class/net and ifconfig -a, I think it will be eth1 - man interfaces to configure it, examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown
08:01<spar74n>ok
08:01<spar74n>jm_ ok thx a lot
08:01<spar74n>jm_ sorry for bothering so much ;(
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08:03<temro>i am a typical end user and have a 64bit cpu. how much trouble will i have using amd64 on it or is it still better to use the 32bit installation? how good is the support?
08:04<weasel>desktop or server?
08:05<temro>desktop
08:05<weasel>use i386
08:05<temro>oh
08:05<temro>what problems currently exist with amd64?
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08:07<twb>temro: it doesn't matter at all unless you want to run non-Free software like flash
08:07<twb>Unfortunately, many "desktop" users do
08:08<jm_>flash exists nowadays
08:08<fxiny>there are no gnash debs
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08:08<fxiny>i ain't senn any
08:08<fxiny>seen*
08:09<Hui_Nan>hello,
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08:09<Hui_Nan>could anyone help with setting up a local debian mirror?
08:09<noflash>!mirror
08:09<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
08:10<Hui_Nan>everything looks ok for working debian system
08:10<Hui_Nan>apt works fine
08:10<temro>ok if only non-free software is the problem i can live with that. does that only involve flash or also proprietary graphic drivers like nvidia and ati?
08:11<Hui_Nan>but if I try to use this mirror during the new installation it fails: "Specified debian mirror is either not available or does not have valid Release..."
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08:11<{xmb}>!tell {xmb} about apt-spy
08:12<Hui_Nan>the mirror is built up from 4 DVD's
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08:12<Hui_Nan>pools were merged
08:13<Hui_Nan>Packages were generated as usual
08:13<Hui_Nan>md5 sums were adjusted
08:13<jm_>temro: both flash and nvidia driver exist for amd64
08:14<padski>Hui_Nan, sounds like a problem with the dists/etch/Release file
08:14<Hui_Nan>yep, but what exactly can be wrong?
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08:15<Hui_Nan>in dists everything is ln -s'ed to lenny
08:15<Hui_Nan>Release there contains correct md5sums for everything
08:16<Hui_Nan>I'm confused
08:16<Hui_Nan>other info kept as in 1st lenny's dvd
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08:21<padski>!repository
08:21<dpkg>debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
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08:23<padski>Hui_Nan, what do you do about signatures ?
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08:23<Hui_Nan>cd dists/lenny/
08:23<Hui_Nan>md5sums main/binary-i386/*
08:24<padski>those are checksums ?
08:24<Hui_Nan>I'm not sure
08:24<padski>sorry, they *are* checksums
08:24<Hui_Nan>fine.
08:25<Hui_Nan>D5Sum:
08:25<Hui_Nan>d8669ffecb0c67fb69fdfdb6516f8bbb 18399879 main/binary-i386/Packages
08:25<Hui_Nan>af6be945a80bc333009f7f5b095b90ae 4634452 main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
08:25<Hui_Nan>30ab1ba2a9c09d1850f7a40b639624b3 81 main/binary-i386/Release
08:25<padski>Hui_Nan, what I mean is. if you want the debian signed release then you can't change those docs, if not you will need to sign and distribute keys
08:25<Hui_Nan>MD of course
08:26<padski>Hui_Nan, I think :-)
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08:27<spar74n>hi i finally managed to do it haha
08:27<spar74n>jm_ thx a lot man u helped too much ;)
08:28<spar74n>clone also thx a million guys
08:28<Hui_Nan>I believe it is another problem: if it had place, apt would complain to install a package on a working system
08:28<Hui_Nan>and it complains but I can make choice
08:28<Hui_Nan>to ignore the problem
08:29<spar74n>im chatting from it atm bitchx is up ;)
08:29<jm_>nice
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08:29<spar74n>jm_ thanks man
08:29<Hui_Nan>well, padski , you may be right...
08:30<Hui_Nan>but how debian installer knows all those keys?
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08:31<Hui_Nan>there is a huge list of mirrosrs it suggests to use
08:31<padski>Hui_Nan, the mirrors serve up exact copies unchanged, the signatures are still good
08:32<Hui_Nan>well, I'll try some magics %-)
08:32<Hui_Nan>thank you for idea
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08:34<temro>jm_: ok thanks
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08:36<padski>Hui_Nan, you probably have some other problme, or I guess you would be getting a signature warning, but it is worth considering. perhaps you could get the release files from snapshots
08:37<Hui_Nan>that was what i am thinking about
08:37<Hui_Nan>however I have dvds from 08.03.2008 while the last weekly snapshot is 13.03.2008
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08:38<Hui_Nan>anyway, it seems there's no simple solution to make things work like devils
08:39<Hui_Nan>the easiest way is to use 1st dvd to set up base system and then to use my mirror
08:39<Hui_Nan>%-(
08:40<padski>Hui_Nan, http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/03/08/debian/dists/lenny/
08:40<padski>or thereabouts
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08:40<Hui_Nan>great, I'll try it!
08:41<padski>or update your mirror
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08:42<Kebianizao|work>Hello
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08:42<Kebianizao|work>I've programmed a custom daemon and I'm trying to fit it into the debian boot process
08:42<Hui_Nan>no, wont work - Packages files have different sizes!
08:43<Kebianizao|work>I'm writing the init script, using start-stop-daemon. Who's responsible for creating the pidfile?
08:43<weasel>Kebianizao|work: the daemon, usually
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08:44<weasel>Kebianizao|work: however start-stop-daemon can do it for software that doesn't support those daemonish things.
08:44<weasel>Kebianizao|work: are you detaching properly?
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08:47<Kebianizao|work>weasel: well the daemon doesn't fork if that's waht you are asking
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08:47<weasel>Kebianizao|work: detaching is not the same as forking, but it involves forking.
08:47<weasel>so it's not really a daemon then :)
08:47<weasel>just use start-stop-daemon with --background and --make-pidfile
08:47<Kebianizao|work>it keeps running, I expect some other to fork to background if neccessary and hence I'm using the -b parameter
08:48<Kebianizao|work>that's it, --make-pidfile ;) thanks
08:48<weasel>manpage? :)
08:48<weasel>also read 1.7 How do I get my program to act like a daemon?
08:48<weasel>of http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/programmer/faq/
08:48<Kebianizao|work>weasel: I didn't see that option :S
08:49<padski>daemon(3)
08:49<weasel>unportable newfangled stuff
08:49<Kebianizao|work>I know now why. it's in the end of the manpage, so probably by then I gave up :/
08:49<weasel>fork() setsid() fork() :)
08:49<padski>I thought the whole point is portability
08:51<Kebianizao|work>what are those considerations about portability?
08:51<jm_>you won't find daemon on solaris ...
08:52<padski>so you take it with you ;-)
08:52<Hui_Nan>padski: man apt-ftparchive looks curious %-)
08:54<Kebianizao|work>how do I store some default settings in vim? I always want syntax highlighting and set background=dark by default
08:54<padski>echo "enable syntax" >> ~/.vimrc
08:54<Kebianizao|work>padski: I wonder then why mkvimrc hasn't worked so far
08:55<padski>Kebianizao|work, I am unfamiliar with that clan :-)
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08:57<Kebianizao|work>padski: E371: not an editor command: enable syntax
08:57<jm_>it's syntax on
08:58<padski>snytax enable, sorry :-)
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09:00<Kebianizao|work>syntax enable did it, thanks
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09:06<spl33n>hallo..
09:06<aptituz>german is one channel next
09:06<spl33n>ah sorry
09:06<spl33n>.#debian-german?
09:07<spl33n>or was this a joke
09:07<Kebianizao|work>bye
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09:07<aptituz>#debian.de obviously
09:07<spl33n>thanks..
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09:36<mixter>hi! i have a server where the clock run slow. about 10 seconds / 60 seconds! i don't get any other warnings that i've seen in syslog or from dmesg. if i run `hwclock --show` i get an error about /dev/rtc. is /dev/rtc nessecary for the "internal" clock in linux? could there be a module missing in the kernel or something?
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09:51<ZeuZ>Guys, Is it really needed for a host acting as router/gateway to have rpc port open? if not, how can I close port 111?
09:52<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: 111 port is for portmap
09:52<padski>ZeuZ, and use netstat -lpn to see what is listening where
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09:53<ZeuZ>I get it bounded for rpc when I nmap it...
09:53<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: if you don't need portmap to use, /etc/init.d/portmap stop ; update-rc.d -f portmap remove
09:53<ZeuZ>yes, I know how to do that, but my question comes this way:
09:54<ZeuZ>This host is giving 143 users ISP services, tcng for traffic control, and I don-t know if this host needs to have portmapd running or not... what would you advice?
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09:54<crazyb0y>if your router is only for MASQUERADING, nat, dnat
09:54<acidShaka>hello
09:54<crazyb0y>you don't need portmap- =)
09:54<padski>ZeuZ, is there any traffic on the port ?
09:54<ZeuZ>cool, then I'll uninstall it...
09:55<ZeuZ>padski: dunno, will check that now through iptraf
09:55<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: try at first just to stop, if any customer is calling you, then start it again, eeeh =)
09:56<ZeuZ>how about port 953 and 113 ?
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09:56<crazyb0y>113 is identd
09:56<crazyb0y>953 is rndc i think so, let me check
09:56<padski>ZeuZ, /etc/services is also handy
09:57<crazyb0y>rndc 953/tcp # named's rndc control socket
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09:57<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: why don't you use 'fuser'?
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09:57<ZeuZ>@google fuser
09:57<crazyb0y>fuser -v 953/tcp ; fuser -v 113/tcp
09:57<ZeuZ>to replace what thing?
09:57<ZeuZ>oh, it-s a fuzzer xD
09:58<ZeuZ>oh, no its not xD
09:58<jm_>!open ports
09:58<dpkg>rumour has it, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
09:58<crazyb0y>yes same as fuser -n..
09:58<ZeuZ>hmm... that port is being used with bind... but it shouldn-t be under use if bind is serving through 53 right?
09:58<crazyb0y>but differs in the syntax
09:58<matthewpoer>!fuser
09:58<dpkg>i heard fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!'
09:59<spar74n>how to setup sound on base system?
09:59<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: 953 is for rndc, the remote control for bind
09:59<crazyb0y>rndc talks with bind trough this port =-)
09:59<ZeuZ>well, the only thing I need for control remotely is SSH, so how do I get rid of that?
09:59<jm_>spar74n: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
09:59<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: is it a DNS server ?
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09:59<ZeuZ>the host where this is running? yup, it is...
10:00<spar74n>jm_ thx man
10:00<crazyb0y>so don't close 953 port =)
10:00<padski>!tell spar74n about sound
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10:00<ZeuZ>so for DNS I need 53 and 953?
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10:00<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: kind of =)
10:01<ZeuZ>hmmm... well then... I have to remove portmap then... I do not provide any service further than DNS server, and routing... what should I have for the minimal functions?
10:02<ZeuZ>as far as I go, this is what I have:
10:02<ZeuZ>!flood
10:02<dpkg>It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/
10:02<ZeuZ>22/tcp open ssh
10:02<ZeuZ>53/tcp open domain
10:02<ZeuZ>113/tcp open auth
10:02<ZeuZ>953/tcp open rndc
10:02<ZeuZ>3128/tcp open squid-http
10:02<ZeuZ>10000/tcp open snet-sensor-mgmt
10:02<crazyb0y>use pastebin!
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10:02<ZeuZ>lol, sorry...
10:02<crazyb0y>!pastebin
10:02<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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10:03<ZeuZ>!pastebin pipe
10:03<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.
10:04<ZeuZ>http://pastebin.com/d12e59f1e >>> That's what I've got left...
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10:04<ZeuZ>anything you guys would filter|remove?
10:05<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: every system is alone for itself
10:05<ZeuZ>come again>
10:05<crazyb0y>everything you need is to check what you want to run on your host and what you don't want
10:05<ZeuZ>Then I guess with that I have running, everything is pretty much under cover...
10:05<ZeuZ>Gonna uninstall portmap
10:06<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: if you close 53, users which use your IP as DNS server, will lose their connections
10:06<ZeuZ>and what if I close port 953?
10:06<crazyb0y>if you close 953 port, your rndc will not have permissions to control the named server
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10:07<ZeuZ>but, what does rndc do with the bind server if it has allready been configured?
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10:08<crazyb0y>rndc controls the named server
10:08<crazyb0y>reload, rehash, flush and more..
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10:08<ZeuZ>then it/s totally needed?
10:08<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: not totally
10:09<crazyb0y>if you need more secure for your bind, and if you don't manage user zones, you may put into your named.conf allow-query and add only your zone with IP's to be permitted to use it
10:09<ZeuZ>I've seen webhosts with only port 53 for dns open, never seen 953 that's one of the reasons why I ask...
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10:09<padski>ZeuZ, so what's that on 10000 ?
10:09<crazyb0y>padski: maybe webmin ?
10:09<crazyb0y>=)
10:09<padski>:-)
10:10<ZeuZ>Well, I only need users from 172.16.0.X (whould that be 172.16.0.0/16 ? )
10:10<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: you have to read a little
10:10<ZeuZ>yes,it's webmin for some testing purpouse...
10:10<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: webmin is very unsecure =)
10:10<ZeuZ>Trust me, I've been reading...
10:10<ZeuZ>I know... I'ev attached htaccess to login so double password needed
10:10<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: i'll trust you if i see how you add a line with allow-query in your named.conf =P
10:11<spar74n>jm_ tried all sound not working
10:11<ZeuZ>and access is restricted to 172.16.0.1 and 172.16.0.73(me)
10:11<ZeuZ>Ok, then lemme check that...
10:11<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: good luck =)
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10:12<padski>crazyb0y, I keep hearing this. What is wrong with webmin's security ?
10:12<ZeuZ>just one thing, 172.16.0.0/24 == 172.16.0.X or is it 16?
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10:13<crazyb0y>padski: i had few hosting servers with webmin, and i had very big problems with few brazilian hackers =)
10:13<ZeuZ>so that it would be: allow-query { 172.16.0.0/24}; or allow-query { 172.16.0.0/16 }; ????
10:14<ZeuZ>crazyb0y: Command Tribulation? :P
10:14<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: you may use with corpnets
10:14<crazyb0y>allow-query { 172.16.0.0/24; };
10:14<crazyb0y>try this =)
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10:15<crazyb0y>in the global options section
10:15<ZeuZ>Ok, but /24 means the last octet changes only right? because that zone is the one I need covered...
10:15<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: add one by one then the ip's =)
10:15<ZeuZ>no, that would be insane...
10:15<ZeuZ>I need to add 143 IPs
10:16<ZeuZ>and they're most of the times salted with random numbers xD
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10:16<crazyb0y>add the hole zone
10:16<ZeuZ>/24?
10:16<crazyb0y>yes, better than hole world =P
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10:17<ZeuZ>Ok, but why /24 and not /16 ?
10:17<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: you told me that the ip's are changed everytime
10:17<ZeuZ>No, I didnt...
10:17<ZeuZ>The IPs are statical...
10:17<crazyb0y>ok add then /16 =)
10:18<ZeuZ>And the range goes from 172.16.0.3-172.16.0.253
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10:18<crazyb0y>no!
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10:18<ZeuZ>because 172.16.0.1 is the server, 172.16.0.2 is the wireless mikrotik and 254 is the link between my town and the fiber optic link
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10:19<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: /24 is the mask for 254 ip's
10:20<crazyb0y>zeuz: http://jodies.de/ipcalc?host=192.168.0.1&mask1=16&mask2=
10:20<ZeuZ>but why if in binary 254 has only 16 bits aint it?
10:21<crazyb0y>huh ?
10:21<ZeuZ>Got it, it's 24 my mistake
10:22<ZeuZ>named.conf.options modified, line is attached now...
10:22<ZeuZ>How shall I proceed to close the 953 port now that it has become useless?
10:22<crazyb0y>filter it only for localhost access
10:23<ZeuZ>how to?
10:23<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: with iptables
10:23<ZeuZ>iptables -A ??? tcp 953 -j DROP
10:24<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: dunno =PP you will tell us =P
10:24<crazyb0y>use 'man iptables'
10:24<crazyb0y>=)
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10:29<ZeuZ>Is danguardian recomended in your experience, crazyb0y
10:29<ZeuZ>?
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10:30<jm_>I recommend privoxy instead
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10:31<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: what do you mean ?
10:32<ZeuZ>because some clients want me to scan files before those downloads reach their PC so they can have a lil more protection... and that's the only package I've seen so far for that... it sends it through (for exqample) clamav engine before it let's the download happen to the client...
10:32<ZeuZ>or something like that, perhaps I did not get the functioning at all xD
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10:33<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: it's an expensive system
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10:45<anonymous>Привет всем ! я за помощью
10:46<azeem>anonymous: please write in english
10:46<azeem>!ru
10:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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10:46<anonymous>Thanks
10:46<ZeuZ>crazyb0y: Yes, but it's well paid also... we've got 10mb symetric
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10:49<ZeuZ>in sh, how can I echo a variable with a different colour than the rest of the line?
10:49<crazyb0y>ZeuZ: i have seen somewhere a good system which doing that you want maybe for 15 000USD
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10:51<ZeuZ>lol, well, I'm not going to spend that much of the incomming of this system where I'm not the owner but the "admin"... just wanted to add another layer of protection for some of those users...
10:51<ZeuZ>!sh
10:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sh is the POSIX shell, or the old System V (and earlier) Bourne shell, or usually a symbolic link to /bin/bash on a GNU/Linux system
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10:51<ZeuZ>is there a channel for sh?
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10:51<daffytheduck>Hi there Im after something to bypass My IP's mail server so I can use the gmail smpt server can anyone help Thanks
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10:51<ravi>hi, I am trying to install Sup( http://sup.rubyforge.org/ ) through rubygems on Debian Sid, 'gem install sup'...
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10:52<ravi>I am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m79f18908
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10:52<ravi>what should I do to fix it?
10:52<RainCT>Hi
10:52<ZeuZ>ravi:
10:52<RainCT>how can I recover the files in /var/lib/dpkg?
10:52<ZeuZ>install the ncurses-dev
10:52<ravi>ok
10:52<ZeuZ>that should do the trick...
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11:00<ashir>i can made a usb key to boot using syslinux, but i can use grub too ?
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11:01<ZeuZ>ashir: can you english in type? :) just kidding... I think you can...
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11:04<ashir>ZeuZ: any howto about or something ?
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11:04<mettler>hu
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11:07<mettler>i'am getting warnings when booting my dapper/ubuntu after autoInstall, it says: "special device /var/run does not exist" same with "/var/lock and /dev/shm/var.run" it thinks those folders would be devices and isn't mounting them. i have initscripts installed and /etc/init.d/mtab looks fine - any hints?
11:07<Batchz0r>hi
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11:08<crazyb0y>!ubuntu
11:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:08<Batchz0r>All the games i try to run seg fault, But thats not the problem.. Now even my web broswers like Iceweasel are seg faulting, I'm wondering wtf is going on
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11:08<ZeuZ>mettler: This is for DEBIAN not for UBUNTU
11:08<crazyb0y>Batchz0r: what you did before it happened ?
11:09<Batchz0r>Nothing crazyb0y
11:09<Batchz0r>Just used it like i normally would
11:09<ZeuZ>crazyb0y: Any ida on how I can make an output from different collors in sh?
11:09<mettler>hmmm
11:09<crazyb0y>Batchz0r: on a new installation ?
11:09<mettler>is there a #ubuntu chan?
11:09<Batchz0r>Kind of new, yes
11:09<crazyb0y>mettler: Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.
11:09<petemc>ZeuZ: whats wrong with the answer you got in the other channel?
11:09<mettler>thx!
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11:10<Batchz0r>Alot of programs are seg faulting
11:10<Batchz0r>:/
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11:10<Batchz0r>Like xine, ice weasel, most of the games i try to run etc.
11:11<ZeuZ>petemc: That I don't get it yet
11:11<crazyb0y>Batchz0r: and from the beginning you have the same error ?
11:11<petemc>ZeuZ: cut and paste the lines, then try changing the numbers
11:11<ZeuZ>Tried that.
11:11<Batchz0r>Well no, ice weasel just recently seg faulting
11:11<Batchz0r>And xine has been from the beginning
11:12<ZeuZ>Though while changing the start of the line, and the end of the line to match, it looses effect
11:12<crazyb0y>Batchz0r: it may be a hardware failure ?
11:13<ZeuZ>echo -e "\033[0;32;41m Beginning part 5... (iso to img) \033[0m " >>> the only numbers I can change, are related to the three main colors the part from 0<32<41 but other places, it just destroys the effect
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11:13<weasel>Batchz0r: call the thing iceweasel. not ice weasel.
11:13<Batchz0r>ok
11:14<Batchz0r>I've tried removing 'iceweasel' then installing it again, but it keeps segfaulting
11:14<weasel>move your ~/.mozilla directory out of the way and try again?
11:14<Batchz0r>I'll try that
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11:15<Batchz0r>Nope
11:16<Batchz0r>Didn't work
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11:17<Batchz0r>I can browse for about 1-5 mins, then it just dies and seg faults
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11:18<PianoDude>I'm trying to update a server from Debian 3.1 to 4.0, due to the end of security updates for 3.1
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11:18<PianoDude>Not being in the US, I use non-US software.
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11:19<PianoDude>If I update sources.list to use etch, rather than sarge, then the non-US archives all return 404 errors.
11:19<PianoDude>I also can't find etch/non-US on any of the mirrors.
11:19<crazyb0y>maybe your line is wrong in the sources.list ?
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11:19<crazyb0y>404 - not found
11:19<PianoDude>Has this project been discontinued?
11:20<acidShaka>Batchz0r: segfault ise the only err that u can see?
11:20<Batchz0r>Yes acidShaka
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11:20<PianoDude>crazyb0y - The line is exactly what it used to be, only I replaced 'sarge' with 'etch'.
11:20<acidShaka>try to run it with gdb ...maybe it could be helpfull to show more info
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11:20<Batchz0r>Ok
11:21<morgan`>PianoDude, non-US archive doesn't exist anymore
11:21<acidShaka>btw it's strange that more than an app give a segfault ... in the worst case could be an hardware err (like Harddisk problem). but ' hope it doesn't
11:21<PianoDude>morgan - Has it been folded into the regular archive, or is it just gone?
11:21<morgan`>I had known the reason why ... there's a long time
11:22<morgan`>It seems to me that it has been folded into the regular archive, not sure
11:22<PianoDude>morgan - Ok....I'll just try deleting that line in my sources.list, and see if it blows up.
11:23<PianoDude>Guess I should try a test server before my production one, though, huh? ;)
11:23<Batchz0r>iceweasel doesn't seem to want to segfault now >_<
11:24<morgan`>PianoDude, maybe you can try to identify what packages come from non-US before
11:24<Batchz0r>Wait, it just died
11:24<Batchz0r>xD
11:24<PianoDude>morgan - I've got an internal-only fileserver that I'll try the upgrade on, first.
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11:25<PianoDude>Problem is, I've got several servers, all with different configs and packages, so I'd have to go through dselect
11:25<PianoDude>and find every non-US package on every server.
11:25<PianoDude>PITA.
11:25<fxiny>no more non-US
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11:25<fxiny>where's the pita ? is good :)
11:25<valdyn>PianoDude: non-Us never was about software that americans could not use
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11:26<ZeuZ>Hmmm... where can I spot network issues like duplicated IPs?
11:26<PianoDude>valdyn - Then why doesn't there seem to be a non-US archive on any american mirror?
11:26<PianoDude>fxiny - PITA - Pain in the ass.
11:26<valdyn>PianoDude: because americans were not allowed to export that kind of software
11:26<fxiny>i know
11:26<Batchz0r>"Segmentation Fault"
11:26<PianoDude>fxiny - Just checking.... ;)
11:27<valdyn>PianoDude: they can freely import it though
11:27<fxiny>PianoDude: do not try to probe mine :P
11:27<valdyn>PianoDude: or could even, that law is gone
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11:27<valdyn>sarge didnt have non-us either iirc
11:27<PianoDude>valdyn - I get it. So if I downloaded it in Canada from us-mirror.debian.org, I'd be fine, but us-mirror would be in deep?
11:27<valdyn>PianoDude: yea
11:28<PianoDude>valdyn - No, sarge had non-US. I've been using it for years.
11:28<valdyn>PianoDude: maybe not for canada, i have no idea if that export restriction applied to all countries
11:28<fxiny>non-US was about a crypto issue
11:28<PianoDude>valdyn - But if the law is gone, then it's probably just been folded into the regular archive.
11:28<valdyn>PianoDude: iirc it only had the directores, but nothing in there that wasnt in main
11:29<Batchz0r>So no one has any ideas on how to fix the seg fault problem?
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11:29<PianoDude>fxiny - Yeah, I know. Somehow, the US gov thought nobody else had good cryptographers that could unbreakably encrypt anything.
11:29<PianoDude>Duuuh.
11:29<fxiny>i don't think the law's gone , i think is not so restrictive , something like this
11:29<Smoczek>jest jakis polak ktory chce pomoc ?:)
11:29<PianoDude>valdyn - Ok...then I didn't notice, because I never got 404 errors doing an apt-get update.
11:30<valdyn>theres no restrictions on exporting strong encryption technologies anymore
11:30<fxiny>PianoDude: i believe they've learnt how to crack ;)
11:30<valdyn>PianoDude: yea, you didnt get errors, that's right
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11:31<noflash>Smoczek, #debian.pl
11:31<Smoczek>dudes what drivers i need to use ZB-1725 U&F4.0.7 modem?
11:31<Batchz0r>I'll just download vista then.
11:31<valdyn>Batchz0r: ok
11:31<Batchz0r>xD
11:32<fxiny>vista ? yeahhh i love it : you do it , i get the slack hardware go go :P
11:32<Batchz0r>xD
11:32<Batchz0r>Lol
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11:33<Designed>jajajajajajaj
11:33<Batchz0r>Nah this seg fault just annoys me
11:33<valdyn>Batchz0r: are you running debian/stable?
11:33<Batchz0r>Debian/testing
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11:33<Designed>9 of September
11:33<Designed>:D
11:33<Designed>debian lleny *_*
11:33<Designed>lenny ***
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11:34<fxiny>one of this day we'll buy two us company : intevil for 10 euro and ibm for a couple of oil barrel : no porbs
11:34<fxiny>c'est la vie
11:34<PianoDude>valdyn & fxiny - Thanks for the help. Phone interruption.
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11:38<fxiny>Maulkin: where the venue for the rc-bugsquash party ? oftc or frenode ?
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11:38<fxiny>i have a little arrow
11:39<fxiny>where's*
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11:51<Maulkin>fxiny: oftc probably
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11:54<fxiny>Maulkin: tx . i can help (a little help) about mrxvt
11:54<fxiny>which is still buggy even upstream
11:55<fxiny>http://www.nabble.com/Bug-in-mrxvt-5.3-(and-a-patch).-td12431989.html
11:56<Maulkin>fxiny: mail it to the bug? :)
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11:57<fxiny>Maulkin: no credits to me but nabble . i've just compiled on etch
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12:00<fxiny>Maulkin: i'm more interested in having a decent tab/profile limit in lenny , say 10 at least , etch 5 tabs limits is useless
12:01<acidShaka>bb
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12:06*Designed [XMMS] Player Mp3
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12:27<donovann>hola
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12:32<Baggy2>is there a list of on linux that holds the names of all users?
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12:32<mikegrb>less /etc/passwd ?
12:34<Baggy2>mikegrb: it doesn't just lits the users :/
12:34<Baggy2>I want to add something to the path of all users
12:35<path>!
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12:36<adii>hey .. i want to install website editor NVU.
12:36<adii>how do i do ?
12:36<adii>since it's not in the apt-cache search thing
12:37<craigevil>NVu is crap its not in the repos for that reason
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12:37<adii>got anything better available on debian ?
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12:40<craigevil>bluefish, quanta +, screem, iceape composer, or google for kompozer
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12:42<pds>l s-l
12:42<eric_>haha
12:42<eric_>ls
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12:47<Aleric>Is it allows to use digits in a UNIX username?
12:48<Aleric>allowed*
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12:50<cahoot>tried?
12:50<Aleric>no
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12:51<themill>Aleric: They are certainly allowed in the username but possibly not for the first character. (not sure about that)
12:52<Aleric>Thanks
12:52<Aleric>I wrote a script in the past that generates a new project skeleton, and it demands that the project name exist of only lower case characters :/
12:53<Aleric>But now I have a new project names ext3grep :)
12:53<Aleric>No way I can get rid of that '3' without looking silly :/
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12:54<Aleric>I wonder why I demanded it to be lower case :/ ... I think this name is used as part of directory names, user names, hostnames (in .ssh/config) and in debian package names.
12:54<Aleric>None of those really seem to disallow upper case :/
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12:55<LaicepS>how can i see when the file was created in a directory ?
12:55<LaicepS>ls -l give me something stupid
12:55<themill>Aleric: it used to be that admins insisted on all lowercase and less than 8 chars for login names. Many still do although there is no technical reason for them to do so now other than old scripts that parse the output of "ls" and expect the username to be less than 8 chars...
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12:56<fxiny>i believe you cannot have a user name starting with numbers but you can run say irssi like i'm doing for fun as a non existent user , something around 65000 ;)
12:56<pundit>what is the default smarthost/imap in etch, if i may innocently ask?
12:56<themill>LaicepS: stat filename
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12:58<sercik>i have installed debian in /dev/sda6 and installed grub on partition because i have another linux and grub already installed
12:59<sercik>when i try to start debian it tells error 2 bad file or directory type
12:59<Aleric>Lol - I didn't put the source code of my new ext3 undelete tool on my webpage - but told people to mail me.
12:59<sercik>please help!
12:59<Aleric>Man, I am FLOODED with requests.
12:59<LaicepS>thx
12:59<fxiny>sercik: edit your primary grub menu.lst
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13:00<sercik>yes i have already done
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13:00<sercik>the problem is error 2
13:01<ardoRic>ermm
13:01<ardoRic>it is possible to have a numeric username
13:01<ardoRic>adduser tries not to allow it, but you can add --force-badname
13:02<Zathras>Hi. Any info on the one bug filed against Maven2 (the issue with Apache's commons-cli library)?
13:02<Zathras>seems 6 months old
13:03<fxiny>sercik: try using grub cli booting manually
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13:06<pundit>i would like to use mutt in etch. besides exim4 what imap/smarthost configuration is necessary for receiving files?
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13:08<fxiny>you want fetchmail , a mutt macro can lauch it while mutt is open : i use ALT + F
13:09<fxiny>pundit: sorry : just F > macro index F "!fetchmail\n" "Invoke fetchmail"
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13:10<fxiny>pundit: two lines , add this one as well to ~/.muttrc > macro pager F "!fetchmail\n" "Invoke fetchmail"
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13:11<pundit>fxiny well, fetchmail is not installed by default on etch. thats what disturbs me.
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13:12<fxiny>you should install it . mutt loves procmail too
13:12<pundit>fxiny dont talk about procmail... i know it. badly. and i think its the worst documented program on earth :(
13:13<pundit>fxiny : what really wonders me so much is that procmail is installed by default in etch, but no imap thing like fetchmail. isnt that strange?
13:13<fxiny>pundit: if you are into mutt check out muttprofile and urlview , you can find procmail recipe on the net
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13:14<fxiny>pundit: abook is worth looking at it
13:15<fxiny>mutt rulez ;)
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13:17<pundit>fxiny i agree that mutt rulez and appreciate so much the 3 hints to packages you gave me
13:18<fxiny>pundit: yes ? get the very last two i use : mailfilter and bogofilter :)
13:18<pundit>however, before playing around and doing a 3-dimensional address-book somebody has to use mutt normally, and it seems that on etch it is not possible with only the software which is there by default
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13:18<fxiny>i user all of them since woody , never had problems
13:19<pundit>:)
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13:19<fxiny>pundit: i use mutt scores for mlists : very handy
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13:20<pundit>however you have installed fetchmail. is it not possible to make mutt work in a basic mode out of the box?
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13:22<fxiny>pundit: mua and mta are not the same thing
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13:22<pundit>yes. exim4 is a mta which is there by default. procmail too. but not fetchmail
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13:23<pundit>i guess one cant imap mails with exim :S
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13:24<pundit>i means its odd that there is mutt, exim4 or and strangely enough procmail on etch-boxes by default. but not fetchmail
13:24<pundit>it means etch-boxes are meant for sending mail, not for receiving it :D
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13:26<pundit>there is no mta for receiving mail preinstalled on etch?
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13:34<amphi>isn't exim installed by default?
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13:35<mauricio>hi
13:35<marcos>hola..tengo una consulta sobre un error al crear un usuario
13:35<marcos>cuando me logeo me dice I have no name!@server:~$
13:36<marcos>y no me deja generar clave public y privada
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13:36<pundit>amphi i have not found if its possible to receive mail with exim :S
13:36<marcos>a alguien le ha pasado
13:36<marcos>??
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13:39<noflash>!br
13:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:39<marcos>ok..spanish-thanks
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13:39<noflash>!es
13:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:39<noflash>;)
13:39<yunas>Hello To all
13:39<yunas>i Come Form iran
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13:40<noflash>yunas, that's nice, do you have a debian question?
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13:41<pundit>yunas can u tell me if there is any imap client by default on etch-boxes?
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13:53<mixter>hi! i have a server where the clock run slow. about 10 seconds / 60 seconds! i don't get any other warnings that i've seen in syslog or from dmesg. if i run `hwclock --show` i get an error about /dev/rtc. is /dev/rtc nessecary for the "internal" clock in linux? could there be a module missing in the kernel or something?
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13:55<amphi>mixter: modprobe rtc perhaps?
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14:03<mixter>amphi: rtc is loaded already i see now
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14:04<mixter>amphi: tried to remove it and modprobe'd rtc again, i get a line in dmesg about i, but no errors
14:05<fxiny>mixter: file /dev/rtc > /dev/rtc: character special (10/135)
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14:11<mixter>fxiny: yes, /dev/rtc exist, char special 10/135
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14:31<pundit>hm, maybe i am stupid and asked a stupid question; but still i am wondering if i can make mutt receive mail on etch without installing any additional software like fetchmail
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14:32<jaakko>pundit: mutt is great, and you can read IMAP mail straight from the server. Nice!
14:32<Engywuck>!eeepc
14:32<dpkg>http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net
14:32<Engywuck>:)
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14:34<jaakko>pundit: If you have IMAP, put jur .muttrc file "set spoolfile='imaps://user@server/INBOX'
14:35<pundit>jaako thx. i am really stupid. because i actually knew it, but i forgot it in relation to the etch-box ... :S
14:35<pundit>thanks jaako :)
14:35<jaakko>For sending mail you need some other program.
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14:37<zumbi>!hi
14:37<dpkg>hello, zumbi
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14:38<zumbi>have some of you experienced this problem with sudo: "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory"
14:38<jaakko>zumbi: yes, you have to have a shell in the chooted directory
14:39<jaakko>As chroot is running /bin/sh by default
14:39<zumbi>jaakko: i do have a shell, it is a pristine debootstrap install
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14:39<zumbi>jaakko: i believe /bin/bash is a symlink to /bin/sh
14:40<jaakko>Oh, I see, chroot is trying to run bash. Do you have it in chrooted dir?
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14:41<zumbi>jaakko, i should have it, it is a pristine debootstrap install
14:41<jaakko>try to run /my/chroot/dir/bin/bash and see what happens?
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14:42<zumbi>jaakko: i know what it is
14:42<zumbi>i mount /proc over the chroot dir
14:42<Engywuck>@pundit: mutt can also get files from pop accounts
14:42<Engywuck>or at least one acc :)
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14:42<jaakko>chroot dir? you should not, you should mount it /chroot/proc
14:42<schmichael>in debian sid, my prism2 wifi card detects wlans in network-manager, but can't get an IP
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14:43<zumbi>jaakko: i know, thanks btw. It is a silly mistake
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14:43<schmichael>i've also got wlan0 and wifi0_rename interfaces for some reason
14:43<schmichael>this wifi card has worked in ubuntu before, can someone help me get it working in linux?
14:43<schmichael>ha
14:43<schmichael>i mean debian :)
14:44<schmichael>i'm leaving for pycon in just a little bit and don't want to have to boot winxp to get wifi ;)
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14:45<schmichael>huh, for some reason my kernel is still logging "Association failed"s for eth1, which was my wifi adapters interface until i changed udev to load it as wlan0
14:45<schmichael>yeesh... what a mess
14:46<padski_>tonight's mission: use my computer as a usb keyboard. any suggestions ?
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14:46<schmichael>beers for anyone who can help me with my wifi :)
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14:47<Engywuck>yeah, use a serial to usb converter, and send the chars you are sending via usb cable to another computer (needing usb to serail converter) ;-)
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14:47<jaakko>schimichael: Have you a linux driver or ndiswrapper? I had same problem with ndiswrapper (different card).
14:47<themill>padski_: plug it in should be enough ;)
14:48<schmichael>jaakko: i've never used ndiswrapper and its a prism2 rev1 pci card, so i thought it would just work with hostap or whatever
14:48<schmichael>my only wifi experience in linux is with madwifi+atheros chipset which works perfectl
14:48<padski_>themill: :-)
14:48<schmichael>y
14:49<schmichael>my wlan is just using MAC filtering and even turning that off doesn't help
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14:51<jaakko>schimichael: type "ndiswrapper -l"
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14:51<schmichael>i don't even have it installed
14:51<schmichael>udev mentions something about orinoco_pci next to my eth1 (wifi) adapter
14:51<jaakko>yes, sorry, you said that alreary...
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14:52<jaakko>schimichael: try "iwconfig wlan0"
14:53<jaakko>Is there the AP mac address?
14:53<schmichael>jaakko: no
14:53<schmichael>bit rate is 2 Mb/s
14:53<schmichael>no essid
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14:55<ravi>Aleric: yes
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14:55<schmichael>let me select my wlan in network-manager and check that command again
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14:55<jaakko>schimichael: I removed the network-manager, poor control over wlan.
14:56<jaakko>You can write settings to /etc/network/interfaces and run "ifup wlan0"
14:57<schmichael>jaakko: k, i renamed wlan0 *back* to eth1 in udev and am rebooting
14:57<schmichael>since the kernel kept referencing eth1 in dmesg
14:57<jaakko>schimichael: ok
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14:57<Romain>hi everyone!
14:57<schmichael>jaakko: i'll add eth1 to interfaces when it boots and try ifup
14:57<schmichael>jaakko: can you pastebin a generic interfaces wlan setup?
14:57<Romain>i'm having a problem with my server, i rebooted it today
14:58<Romain>and my firewall script doesn't work anymore
14:58<jaakko>schimichael: yes, but write something like this: iface sofia inet dhcp wireless-ap any wireless-rate auto wireless-essid lock
14:58<Romain>i don't access the internet from the other computers of my network
14:58<Romain>my debian box was the gateway
14:58<Romain>i made an "aptitude safe-upgrade" a few days ago
14:58<Romain>but didn't changed my firewall/gateway script
14:59<jaakko>schimichael: the linebreaks.. iface eth1 inet dhcp\n wireless-ap any\n ...
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14:59<schmichael>jaakko: k, thanks a lot. i'll go try it out
15:00<jaakko>if you wan more options, "man iwconfig"
15:00<Romain>any idea?
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15:03<Romain>bbl
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15:04<schmichael>jaakko: unknown hardware address type 801
15:04<schmichael>and now its just send dhcp reqs into the void :-/
15:06<jaakko>schimichael: ifup give you that error? I really don't know why.. wrong driver, perhaps?
15:06<schmichael>jaakko: yes ifup gives me that error. seems like a driver problem possibly... how do i change drivers?
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15:06<schmichael>jaakko: should i try linux-wlan-ng? it mentions prism cards
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15:07<padski_>wow, gadgetfs ... I mean, like, wow!
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15:07<Engywuck>gadgetfs?
15:07<panagos>does anyone please know of any program that can control gif images? like run forwards/backwards, etc
15:07<Engywuck>something like the antithesis to ext2?
15:07<padski_>Engywuck: yes, gadgetfs
15:08<Engywuck>ah, not a fs with many gadgets but *for* gadgets
15:08<Engywuck>:)
15:08<Engywuck>btw: how far is evelopment of btrfs?
15:09<Engywuck>not able to be included in lenny, probably?
15:10<jaakko>schimichael: might be worth of trying, but you need something else too "This package is useless without the appropriate linux-wlan-ng-modules-x.yy.zz package for the kernel you are running."
15:10<schmichael>jaakko: yes, i've built and installed madwifi like that using module-assistant
15:10<schmichael>thats the only luck i've ever had with wifi in linux :D
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15:11<panagos>how can i split animated gif files to a series of separate png files?
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15:13<jaakko>panagos: have you tried gimp?
15:13<jaakko>"http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/"
15:13<panagos>oh, i can do that with the gimp? i didn't try... :|
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15:14<hathe>panagos: convert should do it
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15:17<panagos>ok, i did it with convert, thanks!
15:17<schmichael>jaakko: i compiled, installed, and insmoded wlan-ng, but still see the unknown hardware type error
15:18<schmichael>do i need to unload anything else or somehow force it to use the new drivers for eth1?
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15:21<jaakko>schimichael: type lsmod
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15:22<schmichael>jaakko: some possibly relevant modules: 80211_crypt, hostap, hostap_pci, p80211, and prism2_pci
15:22<schmichael>i know the last 2 are from linux-wlan-ng
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15:22<schmichael>perhaps its still using hostap_pci?
15:23<schmichael>maybe even when i tried to insmod orinoco it kept using hostap_pci...hm...
15:23<jaakko>schimichael: ok, it is possible yes. Try modprobe -r hostap_pci
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15:23<jaakko>schimichael: ...ifdown eth1 first
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15:25<schmichael>jaakko: it says they're all in use (the first 3 i listed above)
15:26<jaakko>schimichael: I really don't know what drivers are needed for your system. I haven't used hostap nor prism.. The network-manager may cause problems, if it is trying to get connected.
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15:26<schmichael>jaakko: thanks for your help & patience... i'll try kill network-manager
15:26<schmichael>killing*
15:27<jaakko>schimichael: you can write correct modules (drivers) to /etc/modprobe.d/myconf for next boot.
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15:33<chantanito>hi
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15:34<christoph>Any idea why VLC cannot open a .ts (transport stream) HD film?
15:34<blueice>How can I see which video drivers are installed, running lenny
15:34<chantanito>does anybody know what happened to gdesklets in lenny?
15:34<chantanito>blueice: have you tried lshw-gtk?
15:35<blueice>no I haven't, trying it now, thanx
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15:36<blueice>chantanito: it wouldn't work. Is there some package i need to install to use this command?
15:37<chantanito>blueice: yeah, # aptitude install lshw-gtk
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15:41<blueice>chantanito: wow great tool but it doesn't tell me anything about my video card or driver just system specs
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15:42<chantanito>blueice: it does tell driver information...
15:43<chantanito>blueice: i'm lookin' at it right now!
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15:43<blueice>chantanito: well can u give me a little direction. maybe I'm looking at it wrong
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15:44<vook>what tool is this ?
15:44<andresvia>Hello.
15:44<blueice>chantanito: ahh ok
15:44<blueice>chantanito: I had to drill down into my Host Bridge
15:45<blueice>vook. lshw-gtk
15:45<chantanito>blueice: wise choice
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15:46<chantanito>blueice: you can also use lshw and tell him to output all the info in a .html page
15:46<chantanito>blueice: lshw, not lshw-gtk
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15:47<blueice>chantanito: I have to put the -gtk for itto work
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15:47<chantanito>blueice: yeah, because lshw is another package :)
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15:49<blueice>chantanito: The html output feature is great. I may not be making this out but where can I find driver version info. Also, what does it mean when it says "This device has not been claimed"?
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15:50<vook>blueice: sweet - creates a good map for kernel configuration.
15:50<chantanito>blueice: "This device has not been claimed" = "it has not been installed"
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15:51<blueice>chantanito: wow...that might explain a couple graphics issues I've been having. I guess debian just installed a generic driver
15:51<vook>omg - it even knows the crap manufacturor of my motherboard.
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15:51<chantanito>blueice: possible..
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15:53<blueice>chantanito: aside from my wireless card I've never had to install drivers before. would I use the module-assistant to do it?
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15:53<chantanito>blueice: do you want to use m-a to install your wlan?
15:54<qq>! m-a
15:54<dpkg>from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
15:54<blueice>chantanito: sorry. no. do I want to use m-a to install the video card?
15:55<chantanito>blueice: ah ok, now i know, you want to use m-a to install you graphics card drivers! right! first of all you need to know which graphic card do you have..
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15:55<melch>hey
15:55<jaakko>blueice: I guess it depends where you can get the driver.. what is your card etc.
15:55<melch>can someone help me get sleep working
15:55<blueice>chantanito: ok I see that in lshw
15:56<jaakko>blueice: you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
15:56<chantanito>blueice: yeah, you can, you can also have information about it with lspci
15:56<jaakko>melch: sleep? what is the problem?
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15:56<ubuntu>i have install debian base? how to make to install the rest?
15:56<melch>i updated my kernel mess with my ath_pci file nothing is working
15:56<blueice>jaakko: no I didn't. would that allow me to specifiy my video driver?
15:56<melch>jakko i just can't susspend or hibernate
15:57<jaakko>blueice: yes, there are some alternatives, but don't know if the right one..
15:59<blueice>chantanito: if by chance debian doesn't have the driver for my NV34M [GeForce FX Go5200 32M/64M], what are my other options for getting the driver and getting it installed?
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16:02<chantanito>blueice: if you have an nvidia graphic card then you want to try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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16:03<chantanito>blueice: btw, i'm sure debian (gnu/linux) has the driver...
16:03<blueice>chantanito: ok. Thanx for all your help and the learning experience
16:03<chantanito>blueice: ;)
16:03<jaakko>blueice: I just tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it suggested driver "nv"
16:04<melch>jaakko i am using a santa-rosa mbp
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16:06<jaakko>blueice: I have [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] and working fine.
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16:08<blueice>jaakko: it did the same for me. I am going to restart X to see if it worked
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16:08<jaakko>melch: linux has some problems with suspend/hibernate.. I gave up with mine.
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16:09<melch>balls
16:09<qq>! mbp
16:09<digital_b>hello
16:10<chantanito>blueice: it is not necessary to restart X to know if you have rendering...
16:10<chantanito>blueice: you can install mesa-utils to know if you have rendering
16:10<qq>! mesa
16:10<dpkg>i guess mesa is the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at http://www.mesa3d.org/ or ask me about 'glx'
16:11<pundit>jaako just to come back to the mutt topic: mutt has also smtp-support, optionally
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16:11<pundit>even though most ppl seem to use exim or similar
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16:12<jaakko>pundit: oh, really? By default, or did you compile it with patch/options?
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16:13<jaakko>pundit: I installed msmtp for sending mail.
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16:15<pundit>jaako: no, not by default (contrary to the imap support)
16:16<melch>anyone want to help me get sleep working
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16:17<spartan>hi all
16:17<pundit>jaako: rebuilding mutt would be equal to installing a program or package again. therefore if one strictly wants to use only what is there on etch by default then mutt plus its built-in imap would work well. plus exim or so. :)
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16:18<jaakko>pundit: yes... http://www.fefe.de/muttfaq/faq.html says "In short, it's not Mutt's job to get the mail to a remote SMTP server."
16:19<spartan>what package is for mouse support in shell_
16:19<jaakko>pundit: It says also "Mutt does now officially support IMAP" :)
16:19<spartan>and is there a way to put some picture in shell background?
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16:21<chantanito>spartan: have you tried gpm?
16:21<spartan>chantanito gpm? u mean x?
16:22<chantanito>spartan: aptitude show gpm
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16:23<spartan>chanitanito thanks a lot man im sorry for stupid questions but im kinda debian noob :=)
16:24<jaakko>spartan: what do you mean by "shell"? Shell is the program, but I guess you are running a GUI and xterm or some other x-terminal window?
16:24<spartan>jaako no gui basic shell (bash)
16:24<chantanito>spartan: don't worry man, we're here to help each other..
16:24<spartan>chantanito what about customizing bash background?
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16:25<chantanito>spartan: btw, there aren't stupid questions...
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16:25<jaakko>spartan: ok, then it sound like no background image. But I don't know..
16:25<spartan>andd one more thing can i somehow put 1280x800 in grub boot menu?
16:25<chantanito>spartan: setterm is your friend :)
16:25<chantanito>spartan: man setterm
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16:25<Guest1230>Hi to all
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16:27<chantanito>spartan: i.e setterm -foreground green gives you green text
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16:27<spartan>chantanito i dont see the option to set picture in background...
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16:27<chantanito>spartan: wow, i really haven't try that one...
16:28<spartan>chantanito lol
16:28<chantanito>spartan: i don't think is possible...
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16:28<blueice>chantanito: I did the dpkg-reconfigure. after the first time my GUI didn't start back up. I ran it again and I have my desktop back but the video card still says it is not claimed. any ideas?
16:28<spartan>chantanito i saw it on some boot knoppixes
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16:29<sasha>hi , i have a 2.6.24.3 kernel and for some reason i have kernel panics that happen randomly , where can i look in the log to get some information after a reboot
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16:30<chantanito>blueice: install the drivers with m-a :)
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16:31<chantanito>spartan: yeah right, i do too, you mean the penguin eh?
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16:31<chantanito>spartan: google my friend..
16:33<spartan>chantanito yes lol ok btw do u know code for 1280x800 for linux image from grub like vga=791
16:33<qq>spartan : term you need is "splash "
16:33<chantanito>spartan: you smell like splashy :)
16:34<spartan>qq splash? i dont need splash i just wanna bigger resolution
16:34<sasha>spartan : use the convert command from imagemagick
16:34<spartan>chantanito on my laptop res is 1280x800
16:34<spartan>no no i wanna bigger res for shell
16:34<spartan>for bash
16:34<qq>spartan: http://www.linux.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=30616&forum=37&11
16:35<sasha>ho
16:35<qq>hi
16:36<sasha>can i repost a question that has bee forgotten ?
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16:38<s_i_m>sasha, definitely, or you will enter a dead lock soon ;)
16:38<jaakko>sasha: http://rhcelinuxguide.wordpress.com/2006/06/01/linux-kernel-panic-prevent-cardiac-arrest/
16:38<mixter>hi! what does the modules rtc and rtc-dev do? i know they are for rtc support (duh!) but what differs the modules?
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16:38<Engywuck>!tell sasha about ask
16:38<Engywuck>see there
16:38<sasha>hi , i have a 2.6.24.3 kernel and for some reason i have kernel panics that happen randomly , where can i look in the log to get some information after a reboot
16:38<s_i_m>/var/log/kern.log maybe
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16:38<s_i_m>or syslog etc
16:39<sasha>jakkoo : thanks a lot
16:39<spartan>qq there is no 1280x800 right?
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16:41<qq>spartan: yes , sorry I don't have others page
16:41*Ursk hello to all
16:41<jaakko>spartan: is this answer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-June/117497.html
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16:50<andresvia>Hi!
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17:03<avtobiff>crap. now my gnash doesn't work. i have it installed and even symlinked to iceweasels directory but it still don't work. what should i do? i use lenny on.
17:03<avtobiff>-on
17:03<avtobiff>actually i dont know if it has ever worked...
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17:08<spartan>jaako thanks
17:09<spartan>jaakko thanks
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17:11<spartan>jaakko unfotunately looks like framebuffer doesnt support 1280x800
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17:12<qq>spartan: you right , 1280x800 is not a standard ratio ; http://www.mepis.org/node/2992
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17:14<spartan>i found some info
17:14<spartan>qq but i will do it tomorrow on my laptop i dont have it here
17:14<qq>ok
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17:15<spartan>qq btw on laptop i cant start fama (ncurses multi im client)
17:15<spartan>qq some error with libdb-1-3
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17:15<spartan>qq will post tomorrow
17:15<qq>ok
17:16<spartan>about 1280x800 fb supposedly this works
17:16<spartan>"vga=0x360 video=vesafb:mtrr,1280x800-16@72"
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17:16<spartan>is vesafb standard framebuffer?
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17:18<qq>have to try it
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17:20<spartan>qq what do i need to do to install sound system?
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17:20<spartan>apt-get install base-sound right?
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17:20<spartan>on laptop it wont work
17:20<andresvia>Hello.
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17:21<andresvia>It's possible to map, server and client nfs uids and gids?
17:21<qq>apt-get install alsa-gase alsa-utils
17:21<qq>s/ alsa-base
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17:22<spartan>lol i know
17:22<spartan>qq some command line mp3 player? so i can test?
17:22<spartan>alsaplayer right?
17:22<qq>and do alsaconf
17:22<spartan>ok
17:22<themill>aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
17:23<cahoot>speaker-test
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17:23<spartan>ok
17:23<hathe>mp3blaster
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17:23<themill>it's best not to do anything as complicated as mp3 decoding while you're trying to get your sound working.
17:23<spartan>themill ok
17:23<spartan>so just speaker-test
17:23<themill>while true; do aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav; done
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17:24<cahoot>speaker-test
17:24<spartan>if it works then goto mp3 lol
17:24<noli>ciao a tutti
17:24<spartan>noli ciao
17:24*themill likes disturbing people at work with mooing computers
17:24<Shu>http://doomtech.net/wiki/images/d/d4/Dvorak.png <-- is there anything like this for debian (the keyboard floating at the top)?
17:25<qq>ciao noli
17:25<spartan>are people here young or old? im 22
17:25<cahoot>young and old
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17:25<spartan>haha
17:26<Shu>i'm 14 \o/
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17:26<qq>i'm 56
17:26<spartan>how do i scroll screen up and down?
17:26<craigevil>Shu: apt-cache search virttual keyboard
17:26<noli>!tellme kismet
17:27<themill>!tell noli about kismet
17:27<spartan>qq u are not 56
17:27<themill>!ping
17:27<themill>ahh..... fscking netsplit again
17:27<petemc>spartan: ^ a [
17:27<qq>yes
17:27<noli>the-dude, thanks but netsplit
17:27<noli>thargor, thanks
17:28<spartan>scrolling bash screen up and down anybody?
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17:29<ifvoid>spartan: ctrl-a something
17:29<petemc>im not sure he means gnu screen
17:29<jaakko>spartan: shift + pageUp
17:30<spartan>jaakko wont work
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17:30<spartan>sound-test also wont work
17:31<spartan>i configured alsa
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17:32<jaakko>(I noticed that this irssi changes the behavior, only pageUp, not with shift)
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17:32<noli>!tellme kismet
17:32<spartan>scrolling altgr + pageup pagedown
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17:32<spartan>how to test sound?
17:33<themill>[21:26] <dpkg> methinks kismet is a wireless sniffer (http://www.kismetwireless.net), packaged for Debian. Does not work with <ndiswrapper>. Read /usr/share/doc/kismet/README.gz for details regarding capture sources. #kismet at irc.freenode.net.
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17:33<jaakko>spartan: man aplay
17:33<cahoot>speaker-test spartan
17:33<noli>finally
17:33<noli>lol
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17:34<jaakko>speaker-test gives me only some background noice :D
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17:35<qq>spartan : reboot
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17:35<jaakko>You should listen carefully to hear that.
17:35<spartan>i hear som wierd noise lol
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17:35<spartan>it works thanks a lot folks
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17:36<spartan>is it normal its some wierd noise like sssshshhhhhhh
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17:37<cahoot>pink noise
17:37<spartan>zes
17:37<spartan>yes
17:37<jaakko>spartan: it is too easy to mix with fan noice :D
17:37<cahoot>from speaker-test yes
17:37<spartan>ok
17:37<spartan>then its ok
17:37<spartan>just gotta wait till 16th so ill dl xorg and fluxbox
17:38<spartan>and other stuff i got 1gb a month traffic limit ffs
17:39<spartan>anybody knows ncurses multi im client? i saw there is FAMA but it wont work
17:39<spartan>lol but rarely anything works for me haha
17:39<spartan>at first
17:40<spartan>gparted
17:40<spartan>lol
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17:44<spartan>im out bye ppl
17:44<spartan>thx to everybody
17:45<qq>bye
17:45<spartan>cya tmorrow :=)
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17:46<noli>cya
17:47<Engywuck>what filesystem gives the most free space (has the lowest overhead)?
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17:49<sime>hi, I want to create a simple static web site with some links and pics.I searched freshmeat and there are too much tools..wich is an easy wysiwyg IDE for linux?
17:49<andresvia>Is there any alternative to NFS?
17:49<sime>andresvia, samba ?
17:50<andresvia>sime, samba? isn't that for windows sharing?
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17:51<pquarles>andresvia: sshfs
17:52<sime>well it will work for a Linux network too
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17:52<jaakko>sime: Is it too difficult to write html-page manually?
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17:52<Engywuck>sime: nvu
17:53<jaakko>sime: if it is simple and static, I would type it in vim (the editor).
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17:56<sime>Engywuck, thx a lot it looks great!
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18:02<andresvia>So... for NFS server the uids of the users *MUST* match?
18:02-!-qeed [~qeed@adsl-146-83-42.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
18:02<bill_>hi
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18:02<whitehat>hello, is there a mp4 converter for debian?
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18:03<bill_>what is the best alternative to xchat (under Gnome).
18:03<whitehat>bitchx
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18:03<chealer_>andresvia: not necessarily
18:03<themill>not bitchx....
18:03<andresvia>whitehat, bitchx is not a good alternative to xchat.
18:03<noli>whitehat, bitcx is from console..
18:03-!-chealer_ is now known as chealer
18:03<whitehat>I know
18:03<themill>!bitchx
18:03<whitehat>I like it though
18:03<themill>bah.,... still no bot
18:03<bill_>I want to grill Epiphany on why the use up CPU when i am on another app
18:03<themill>[22:03] <dpkg> somebody said bitchx was a old and unmaintained irc-client build on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BitchX QUITS" Abandoned by its upstream authors, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
18:04<themill>whitehat: ^^
18:04<whitehat>lol apache won't even work for me
18:04<andresvia>chealer, what do I need to read about, NIS, LDAP?
18:04<bill_>i just installed xchat and it didnt let me read what it was doing
18:05<whitehat>I only use xchat for this chat. when I'm stuck on something
18:05<whitehat>such as....are there any mp4 converters for linux?
18:05<andresvia>whitehat, try ffmpeg.
18:05<chealer>andresvia: I don't know NIS and LDAP but if you just want to mount NFS shares I think you only need to know NFS.
18:05<bill_>you know all this debian need rewritten
18:06<bill_>now that we know
18:06<themill>whitehat: I believe mplayer can be convinced to do it too
18:06<craigevil>whitehat: fmpeg or soundkonverter if you use kde
18:07<bill_>we knew that in China in 90'
18:07<bill_>or someone did
18:07<craigevil>bill_: wtf are you babbling about
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18:08<themill>bill_: do you have a debian-related question that you'd like to ask?
18:08<bill_>hey
18:08<bill_>no
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18:09<bill_>i asked and i got differing opinions
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18:09<andresvia>bill_, thats great don't you think?
18:10<bill_>no i need a second opinion
18:10<bill_>i need the ability to access the server that i want to
18:11<bill_>oh well goodbye
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18:11<andresvia>Oh boy.
18:11<themill>??
18:11<andresvia>Just WTF!?
18:11<themill>permasunday
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18:12<Maulkin>What. Was. That?
18:12<andresvia>The funny thing is that sometimes I fell like "bill_".
18:12<flypiper>andresvia, you read my mind :-)
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18:13<harry___>hey all! which language here??? german?
18:14<azeem>!de
18:14<azeem>hrmpf
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18:16<harry___>ok ich hab ne frage! beginn next week bei neuer arbeit und dort wird mit debian gearbeitet... wollt mir nu ne isoDVD runterladen. im verzeichnis sind aber 3STÜCK die alle 4gb groß sind..
18:16<harry___>was soll ich saugen?
18:16<azeem>harry___: please ask in #debian.de
18:17<harry___>ok thx
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18:20<Engywuck>!tell harry___ about de
18:20<andresvia>Bye.
18:20<andresvia>Maybe I have to learn LDAP.
18:20<Engywuck>!de
18:20<azeem>Engywuck: /whois dpkg
18:20<amphi>Engywuck: he knows
18:20<Engywuck>hrmmm seems dpkg has left an hour ago
18:21<Maulkin>Yes, netsplit.
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18:21<whitehat>!tell bill about enter
18:21<harry___>hey i need debian at my new work in 2 weeks so i want to download the isoDVD! but in download archive there are 3 file which should i load?
18:21<whitehat>just because I can lol
18:22<azeem>whitehat: please keep it on topic
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18:22<Maulkin>harry___: do you need the dvd?
18:22<whitehat>ok,sorry
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18:22<azeem>!hi
18:22<dpkg>hello, azeem
18:23<harry___>i dont know iam a beginner and i think i will work on debian the next years ... ...... so i think ill take the dvd
18:23<whitehat>hey, is there any way to install ubuntu on another partion of my pc,in debian since my dvd rom drives borken?
18:23<Maulkin>harry___: get all three then
18:23<Maulkin>whitehat: try #ubuntu
18:23<whitehat>I guess..........
18:23<Maulkin>no, don't guess... do.
18:24<harry___>12GB for Debian??
18:24<whitehat>that's fine harry, debian is so good with space
18:24<Maulkin>harry___: for *all* of Debian, yes
18:24<azeem>harry___: as explained above, you don't need all of it
18:24<whitehat>I have about 100 gbs and only ever used 3 so far
18:24<Maulkin>azeem: oh, we've been through this?
18:25<azeem>maybe not in detail
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18:25<whitehat>ok,goodbye
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18:27<jaakko>Harry: you can start with one CD
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18:27<Engywuck>you can start without a CD :)
18:28<jaakko>Harry: you can download everything what you need later.
18:28<Engywuck>just a CD with a live linux system and debootstrap ^^
18:28<LinuX|Reneger>moin
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18:32<qq>harry___ what do you want to do with Debian ?
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18:34<harry___>in need it at work! webdesign
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18:37<harry___>thx all bye
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18:38<hemant>hey 2 all
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18:42<jaakko>whitehat: there are many ways to install ubuntu if you have running debian...
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18:42<jaakko>whitehat: create a new partition, copy a ubuntu system there. Or boot from USB (do you have that?).
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18:43<jaakko>well, partitioning from running system may be somewhat difficult...
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18:53<H>anyone knows when SUN's java will be in main ?
18:54<azeem>H: won't take much longer I think
18:54<azeem>AFAIK they tried to upload icedtea once a while ago, but the archive admins had some issues with it
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19:15<revenge>Yo question.
19:15<Maulkin>No it;s not
19:15<revenge>Sabayon has that weird Kicker Menu that looks a LOT like the Windows Vista Menu.... and Functions like it. Is there a GNOME Version.
19:15<jaakko>Go ahead.
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19:17<Aleric>Does anyone know where I set up a mailinglist real fast? I'm flooded with mails about new project... it's so popular, apparently, that I need a mailinglist yesterday ;)
19:18<Aleric>I went to the chess club, and now I'm back I got 40 more mails :/
19:18<Maulkin>Aleric: /msg me
19:19<revenge>Can ya help me Jaakko
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19:20<jaakko>revenge: I'm Googling Sabayon.. :)
19:20<revenge>I can show you what I am talking about
19:21<revenge>Look at Minutes: 1:22 on this video
19:22<revenge>http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8IIyikhkc
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19:23<revenge>]See what I am talking about Jaakko?
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19:24<wayo>buenas
19:24<azeem>revenge: what's your point?
19:25<revenge>I am wondering if there is a Menu like that for Gnome
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19:25<azeem>revenge: like "that"?
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19:25<azeem>that video is totally overblown with featuritis, I've no idea which menu you're talking about
19:25<revenge>The Menu bar, represented at 1 Minutes 22 seconds on this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8IIyikhkc
19:26<vook>revenge: that has nothing to do with kde
19:26<revenge>Is there a menu that represents that K-Menu style on that Vid.
19:26<jaakko>revenge: sorry, but no flash here. Kicker is a KDE application, I don't think there is such thing for Gnome.
19:27<revenge>I have a Vista Mimick Menu installed right now but it is kinda glitchy
19:27<vook>revenge: the question you really have to ask your self is "Where do you want to go today"?
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19:27<amphi>vook: heh
19:28<engywuck>argh
19:29<engywuck>the video made me sea-sick
19:29<revenge>I love those affects
19:29<revenge>Why do I love them?
19:29<engywuck>bah
19:29<engywuck>i want a *usable* system
19:29<revenge>Because my computer is powerful enough to produce them stable
19:29<engywuck>not one wehre i need to take some pills before starting up
19:29<revenge>My Computer is like the King Kong of PC's
19:29<engywuck>bla bla bla
19:30<engywuck>what do you need to compensate for?
19:30<engywuck>no so?
19:30<engywuck>no carß
19:30<revenge>Asus MOBO: x2 AMD FX Quad Cores at 3.2GHz
19:30<engywuck>who cares
19:30<azeem>engywuck: you asked, ok?
19:30<revenge>I saved up a lot of money to build a gaming rig...bah. Just to put Linux on it.
19:30<engywuck>if i need a high end system just to make me sea-sick i don't want one
19:30<revenge>Lol, I am automatically banned from all the gaming conventions local to me.
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19:33<revenge>I wonder why Unix PC's aren't allowed at Gaming Conventions
19:33<revenge>o_O
19:33<azeem>revenge: how is that on topic here?
19:34<revenge>Erm, dude the Topic is 'Debian'
19:34<revenge>There are many things that fall under Debian, which could round about be considered a sub-topic AkA a 'Gaming Machine' based on Debian.
19:34<azeem>nope, the topic is "Debian support"
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19:42<knoppix_>hi
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19:45<engywuck>i just tried to install luks on a SD card
19:45<engywuck>argh, i see my error
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19:47<engywuck>aes-cdc-essiv can't exist :)
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20:07<HHH>hi whats is the best gui for etch not gnome or kde
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20:09<dondelelcaro>HHH: whichever one you prefer
20:09<dondelelcaro>some run xfce, some of us just use consoles
20:10<HHH>i know but if i want to surf i need a gui firefox or iceweasel
20:11<azeem>HHH: so install one
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20:11<HHH>one is a gui? or i can install one
20:12<HHH>or is it a gui-browser?
20:12<HHH>can i do mutitasking with a console
20:13<dondelelcaro>HHH: no reason why not
20:13<noli_>I think with apt-cache search gui you can find something... or not?
20:14<HHH>ohh to much
20:15<HHH>more then batch can show
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20:18<panagos>does the original poster of a bug get automatically subscribed to that bug?
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20:19<MoDaX>panagos: no
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20:22<dondelelcaro>panagos: no, but eventually that will be happening
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20:22<panagos>dondelelcaro: what do you mean? :)
20:23<dondelelcaro>panagos: eventually you (as a submitter) will be able to say "send all messages about this bug to me"
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20:23<panagos>dondelelcaro: you mean via a regular subscription?
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20:24<chealer>panagos: I think he means it's a feature that may be implemented once
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20:24<panagos>maybe as a flag in the original mail posting
20:25<dondelelcaro>panagos: yes, exactly; it's just not implemented yet.
20:25<panagos>i see
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20:33<HHH>if i use consoles can i use a gui browser and some other apps at the same time
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20:35<azeem>HHH: depends on what you think a gui browser is
20:35<azeem>HHH: is there a particular reason you refuse to use the graphics mode?
20:37<HHH>i want to create websites and make pictures and write code
20:37<HHH>but gui are instable
20:37<azeem>how do you know they are instable?
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20:38<HHH>because my iceweasel make errors
20:39<azeem>what does that have to do with graphics mode?
20:39<craigevil>most of the time IW errors are because of bad extensions/themes or other IW profile issues
20:40<HHH>ohh that is a bad theme
20:40<HHH>but it looks very nice
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20:40<HHH> i dont like win98 styles
20:42<HHH>if i need a paket sometimes i must install it and uninstall it ?
20:43<azeem>you can
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20:43<azeem>there's no requirement for doing that
20:46<HHH>k
20:47<MoDaX>HHH: win98 styles?
20:47<MoDaX>what that has to do with debian
20:48<HHH>ms win 3.1 - 2000 gui style
20:48<HHH>must i ve a virusscanner on etch
20:48<MoDaX>HHH: tell me which desktop environment uses it by default in debian?
20:48<HHH>gnome
20:49<engywuck>virus scanner: only needed if you want to scan incoming mail or sth like that
20:49<amphi>icewm has win98ish themes IIRC
20:49<engywuck>kde too
20:49<MoDaX>_by default_
20:50<HHH>only gray
20:50<amphi>dunno - I've never used any of the DEs
20:50<HHH>DEs?
20:50<amphi>HHH: oh, default gtk theme you mean, perhaps
20:51<MoDaX>HHH: even then you can use another DE or change style
20:51<amphi>even that is not very win98ish I don't think - I barely recall what it looked like
20:51<HHH>excuse me you mean default theme?
20:53<HHH>the name of my theme is on gnome debian etch nuvola
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20:53<MoDaX>HHH: I don't care much about gnome, I can't comment about it
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20:54<HHH>i need a stable gui that is confortable at work mutisession and looks fine
20:55<engywuck>@MoDaX: look at qvwm
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20:56<craigevil>engywuck: are you the same one as named on the debian-eeepc wiki?
20:56<MoDaX>engywuck: I don't want to look at anything. I've been a happy user of kde for 6 years and it's not going to change anytime soon
20:56<engywuck>yep, craigevil
20:56<craigevil>KDE rules
20:57<engywuck>@modax: just because you asked for a wm tahat looks like win9x by default :)
20:57<craigevil>cool I'm waiting patiently for my eeepc to arrive
20:57<engywuck>qvwm - Windows95-like window manager for X Window System
20:57<engywuck>@craigevil: works wonderfully with debian
20:57<azeem>engywuck: please drop the @s
20:58<craigevil>nice, i read the wiki and the tips/tweaks cant wait
20:58<engywuck>ok, azeem
20:58<engywuck>i just wait for 2.6.24 to go to lenny finally
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20:58<noli_>craigevil, how much did u pay for ?
20:59<craigevil>bought the 4GB from newegg for $399 came with free shipping
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21:00<noli_>ok guys
21:00<noli_>now I am running debian on a fuckinf sony vaio 13'' I am getting blind
21:00<HHH>i now that the price for eeepc is 300€
21:00<noli_>whats the best option ?
21:00<noli_>I want to change this pc.. what do you suggest ?
21:01<HHH>external tft
21:01<noli_>i need a good laptop a little bigger with whom I wont have much problem to configure it under debian
21:02<engywuck>get an EEE ;-)
21:02<engywuck>btw: 299 Euros here in germany, including VAT
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21:03*amphi has a 12" panel
21:03<HHH>what is vat
21:03<noli_>what you mean EEE299 euros ?
21:03<noli_>is that a full computer for 299 euros ?
21:03<amphi>noli_: thinkpads are good IMHO
21:04<engywuck>Value Added Tax - Mehrwertsteuer in german
21:04<HHH>not dolloar
21:04<noli_>I am gonna buy one right now..
21:04<noli_>who know the website ?
21:04<engywuck>MwSt is 19% right now...
21:05<engywuck>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax
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21:07<HHH>http://www.coco-network.com/index.php?artnr=45586
21:07<hazard2>so, stupid question
21:07<hazard2>what package do you use to configure wireless cards from gnome?
21:07<MoDaX>hazard2: network-manager-gnome
21:07<hazard2>hmmm
21:07<noli_>wireless-tools
21:08<hazard2>that's installed, but I just can't figure out where it is then
21:08<HHH>http://www1.atelco.de/2/articledetail.jsp?aid=19649&agid=998&ref=16
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21:09<noli_>HHH h6w 04ch 0e06ry d6es 5t have ? 4gb ?
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21:11<amphi>noli_: numlock ;)
21:11<themill>amphi: well spotted...
21:11<hazard2>LOL, that's the first time I'v ever seen that
21:11<hazard2>ok, apparently I'm just plain dumb
21:11<hazard2>and can't locate the wireless setup tools
21:11<hazard2>in gnome
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21:12<themill>have you installed network-manager-gnome?
21:12<hazard2>yes.
21:12<hazard2>It already was
21:12<amphi>themill: for a moment I thought it was a new dialect of '1337' ;)
21:12<themill>amphi: likewise
21:12<hazard2>iwconfig sees the card
21:12<engywuck>a nice-looking tool (not tested yet) is wifi-radar
21:12<hazard2>and can set some stuff
21:12<hazard2>but I can't seem to get it connected to anything
21:13<themill>hazard2: what's the card?
21:13<hazard2>(I also haven't delt with wireless in linux in ages)
21:13<hazard2>ummm, just a sec
21:13<hazard2>Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212
21:13<hazard2>ath5k is loaded, and APPEARS to be working with the card ok.
21:13<hazard2>(other than the whole "I can't bring anything up" part)
21:14<noli_>amphi, ahahahhah
21:14<noli_>I was asking how much memory does it have ? 4gb ?
21:14<themill>I don't know whether ath5k plays nicely with network-manager. it might not.
21:14<amphi>you were ;)
21:14<hazard2>well, I'm not even sure if I'm in the right control panel
21:14<themill>hazard2: run nm-applet to get network-manager-gnome
21:15-!-rjent_ [~rjent@dpc6935188191.direcpc.com] has joined #debian
21:15<themill>hazard2: but if that's not working for you, you'll need to do it either from the command line or from /etc/network/interfaces
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21:16<hazard2>that appears to just sit there forever.
21:18<themill>nm-applet should appear in your system tray (or whatever you gnomes call the thing in the top right)
21:18<hazard2>oh...
21:19<themill>anyway.... good luck with it. /me => bed
21:19<hazard2>i thoght you meant comandline
21:19<hazard2>okie thx anyway
21:19<themill>have fun!
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21:23<wayneward>im using debain on the eee 701
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21:23<wayneward>engywuck_
21:23<wayneward>engywuck
21:23<azeem>wayneward: do you have a question about Debian?
21:24<wayneward>i have it working i know a fix if your stuck
21:24<wayneward>no talkiing to engywuck he was stuck
21:24<azeem>I don't think anybody has issues with eeepcs right now
21:24<wayneward>with asus eee installing debian
21:24<wayneward>ok
21:24<wayneward>it popped up must have been earlier sorry
21:24<azeem>you just joined
21:24<wayneward>yes it was on the top in grey
21:25<wayneward>noticed he was still online
21:25<wayneward>just tryin to help
21:25<wayneward>debain is wicked on the asus 701
21:25<wayneward>how is it faster than kubuntu same base isnt it?
21:25<MadeOfWin>no
21:25<wayneward>it eats my old kubuntu install by far
21:26<wayneward>that explains then!
21:27<wayneward>does ubuntu get the packages and modify them because its very similiar?
21:27<engywuck>hi wayneward
21:27<wayneward>hello
21:28<wayneward>you get asus sorted
21:29<MadeOfWin>yeah debian trys to copy ubuntu
21:29-!-den [~den@c-24-62-109-200.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
21:29<engywuck>nono, debian is an ubuntu-clone
21:29<wayneward>ah i thought it was using debain and modifing it
21:29<wayneward>ah
21:29<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: sorry?
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21:29<amphi>!debain
21:29<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
21:29<wayneward>well its worlds apart
21:29<engywuck>;-)
21:30<MadeOfWin>everyone please remain calm
21:30<MadeOfWin>sorry I had to share a bit of truth
21:30<MadeOfWin>had to
21:30<wayneward>i did my main machine and it flys
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21:30<amphi>!pal MadeOfWin
21:30*dpkg points at MadeOfWin and laughs
21:30<wayneward>i was running kubuntu before
21:30<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: trolling is not welcome here
21:30<wayneward>i was so good i did the asus 701
21:30<wayneward>now that is so fast!
21:31<MadeOfWin>that's original, you know i'm willing to bet you call a lot of people trolls
21:31*hazard2 throws a grenade to the mix.
21:31<MadeOfWin>shows lack of maturity
21:31<MadeOfWin>thus I can't take you seriously
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21:32<amphi>oh, the shame of not being taken seriously by MadeOfWin
21:33<wayneward>any one know when kde 4 kontact is available
21:36-!-foka_ [~foka@61.51.155.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:36<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: well, you're free to think whatever you want, but don't expect that people who are in #debian and care about debian will take misinformation seriously.
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21:37<engywuck>is there a way to mount encrypted removable data automatically when instrting?
21:37<MoDaX>wayneward: for kde 4.1
21:37<wayneward>ah cheers
21:38<wayneward>going to wait till then to move to kde 4
21:38<wayneward>or is it better now its 4.0.2
21:38<wayneward>i need stable-ish!
21:38<MadeOfWin>get windows
21:38<wayneward>no way
21:38<MadeOfWin>stable like a rock
21:39<wayneward>im fighting with a windows box now
21:39<amphi>MadeOfWin: give it a rest
21:39<MadeOfWin>heh
21:39<wayneward>i used nux for 7 or 8 years now
21:39<wayneward>i would never use windows for my box
21:39<wayneward>its crap
21:39<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: you're in the wrong channel
21:39<wayneward>yes i agree
21:40<wayneward>preach some were else who gives a damn
21:40<MadeOfWin>lol the emo shift
21:40<wayneward>eh?
21:40<MadeOfWin>take a joke much?
21:41<wayneward>yes but that was crap!
21:41<wayneward>i didnt make me laugh
21:41<MadeOfWin>i'm more active in the linux community than all of you combined, if anything
21:41<wayneward>v good
21:41<MadeOfWin>you're all in the wrong channel
21:41<wayneward>keep at it
21:41<wayneward>we appreciate it
21:41<wayneward>thankyou :-)
21:42<MadeOfWin>yeah if people stop working together, nothing will get done, debian wouldn't be anywhere near where it's at
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21:43<wayneward>i used lots of different linux distros over the years and its been a pain sometimes debain is a good settling ground
21:44<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: seriously, stop insulting other people
21:44<MadeOfWin>yeah, it's longevity is a nice thing, considering new distro's seem to popup daily
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21:46<wayneward>wouldnt mind a openmoko loaded with it!!!
21:46<wayneward>would debian install on the ps3 anyone know
21:47<MadeOfWin>installs on xbox 360 nicely, am sure google could tell you about the ps3
21:47<MoDaX>wayneward: seems so. http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Installer
21:47<wayneward>wow wicked
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21:49<noli_>when I install aircrack using apt-get install aircrack.. how can I find the directory in which it install th files ?
21:50<MoDaX>noli_: dpkg -L aircrack
21:50<wayneward>anyone know any good links that explains the difference between debain and ubuntu
21:50<craigevil>simple ubuntu sucks debian rules what more do you need to know
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21:50<engywuck>!tell wayneward about debain
21:51<MoDaX>wayneward: such comparisions are always subjective
21:51<wayneward>yes tell me
21:51<noli_>MoDaX, it just gave me the doc..
21:52<noli_>/usr/share/doc/aircrack
21:52<noli_>/usr/share/doc/aircrack/copyright
21:52<noli_>/usr/share/doc/aircrack/changelog.gz
21:52<noli_>/usr/share/doc/aircrack/changelog.Debian.gz
21:52<chealer>craigevil: please watch your language
21:52<wayneward>slocate -u
21:52<wayneward>and locate tf
21:52<MoDaX>noli_: the package is empty then
21:52<wayneward>try that?
21:52<noli_>what do you mean ?
21:52<MoDaX>!find aircrack
21:52<dpkg>Debian Search of 'aircrack' (1): (/usr/bin/aircrack-ng) in net/aircrack-ng.
21:53<MoDaX>noli_: you want aircrack-ng package
21:53<noli_>yes
21:53<noli_>ah
21:53<noli_>ok
21:53<noli_>thanks
21:53<wayneward>apt-get install aircrack-ng
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21:55<jaakko>wayneward: this tells the main principles: http://www.cafelinux.org/distropedia/?q=node/76
21:57<wayneward>ok cheers
21:57<jaakko>Ubuntu is just unstable Debian. :D
21:57<MadeOfWin>ubuntu is stable
21:58<wayneward>yes i see it is now
21:58<jaakko>As stable as debian? how they can do it faster?
21:58<MadeOfWin>jealousy is a female trait anyway jaakko
21:58<jaakko>Better coders? More?
21:59<amphi>"all the stability of sid, with 6-monthly updates" ;)
21:59<amphi>jaakko: fewer packages, and lower package quality, it seems
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22:00<MadeOfWin>yet is rated the most popular linux distro right now
22:01<wayneward>yes its very good great for the new linux comer
22:01<jaakko>Not on servers, where stability counts
22:01<MadeOfWin>if you want stability on servers, you'd go with unix
22:01<wayneward>it wors fast and easy which is good but to gain more power use debain
22:01<MadeOfWin>freebsd is quite nice
22:02<wayneward>i messed with gentoo on my servers was pretty good but breaks very easy :-(
22:03<MoDaX>jaakko: the article is pretty much ubuntu centric, no real comparision is done
22:03<jaakko>I'm not saying Ubuntu is a bad choice, but I can't believe they can get same quality in shorter time than Debian (especially when it is based on debian, no other superior system).
22:04<MoDaX>ubuntu does one thing well - marketing
22:04<wayneward>its seems like ubuntu easy to install and pretty well setup but unstable debain bit harder but stable and faster = good choice
22:05<lontra>debian is easy to install and setup
22:05<wayneward>yes ubuntu can market they are pretty big fast i suppose!
22:05<MadeOfWin>ubuntu does many things well, hence why you're discussing it in a debian channel now, and i'm sure quite often
22:05<jaakko>MoDax: what would be a comparison? The amount of bugs? The programs and package management is pretty mutch the same.
22:05<MadeOfWin>do you think they're talking about debian in ubuntu channels right now?
22:05<MadeOfWin>no
22:05<wayneward>yes debian is easy to setup but quirky
22:05<wayneward>here is a good example
22:06<lontra>MadeOfWin: that isn't way. it's cause ubuntu users come here looking for help ... or saying i want to run debian but i'm scared
22:06<lontra>ubuntu is debian with poopy colored lipstick
22:06<MadeOfWin>no ubuntu is what debian never achieved, but instead of being distraught about it
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22:06<wayneward>asus 701 get kubuntu install boot of cd works - debian boot of cd no network install and install dpkg package easy for me techie but mr smith joe public cant do it!!!
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22:07<MadeOfWin>just accept it, as is no suprise as to why
22:07<lontra>MadeOfWin: not true ... debian never wanted to be what ubuntu is
22:07<wayneward>debain still has time
22:07<MadeOfWin>heh, what?
22:07<wayneward>its a good business model
22:07<MadeOfWin>that's like saying you didn't want to win the race anyway after you lost
22:08<noli_>is there s way to save a server in favorite with xchat ? I am on this server and I want to open it automatically next time..
22:08<lontra>MadeOfWin: i think it's time to get back on topic and quit trolling
22:08<wayneward>debain + kolab + workstations + kontact = business solution
22:08<MadeOfWin>I think you should tell that to rest of the channel
22:08<wayneward>trust me i use it
22:08<MadeOfWin>as this isn't #ubuntu
22:08<MadeOfWin>go read the topic even
22:08<Web-sidux997>tried ubuntu many times , it eventually broke, always kept debian as the main system
22:09<MadeOfWin>NOT #ubuntu
22:09<MadeOfWin>look at that, in caps and all
22:09<Web-sidux997>yes ubuntu
22:09-!-noli_ [~noli@user-0c9hfln.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:09<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: like you wasn't the first mentioning it
22:10<MadeOfWin>mentioning it and engaging in all night discussion are two different things
22:11*lontra goes to play kgoldrunner
22:11<jaakko>I think there is more difference in KDE/GNOME than Ubuntu/Debian when just thinking about using the box.
22:11<MadeOfWin>lol you got people in here trying to have a indepth conversation on ubuntu
22:11<MadeOfWin>see what I mean
22:11<MadeOfWin>#debian-offtopic
22:11<MadeOfWin>thanks
22:11<qq>noli_ just after start xchat , enter edit > debian servers and mark open at start
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22:13<wayneward>do you get alot of people coming in here trying to peee people off? god its sad
22:14<MadeOfWin>no what's sad is not following the channel rules
22:14<MadeOfWin>theres a time and a place for everything
22:14<MadeOfWin>give debian the respect it deserves
22:14<wayneward>eh?
22:15<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: well, you won't earn respect being arrogant
22:16<rjent_>greetings, I need a way to have a shell script send information back to me with out expecting a mailing configed correct on systems. I was thinking something like wput to someplace like pastebin.com ? Any ideas?
22:16<wayneward>can you block people in irc?
22:16<MadeOfWin>yeah /ignore
22:16<MoDaX>wayneward: /ignore
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22:16<MadeOfWin>or similiar
22:17<wayneward>rjent_ scp it?
22:18<wayneward>yes you want to send a file out by script?
22:18<rjent_>wayneward: no I want my file to phone home a diag report.
22:18<wayneward>without mail
22:18<rjent_>wayneward: yes
22:18<wayneward>just scp filename to username@ipaddress
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22:19<rjent_>wayneward: with keys already established or something?
22:19<wayneward>yes create a key
22:19<wayneward>or create a script on your box to pull it to toy and specify a password
22:19<wayneward>in the script
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22:20<rjent_>wayneward: the only problem is that I do not have a place to offer ssh services.
22:20<rjent_>wayneward: I wanted to do mail but found out that not all systems are configured equal
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22:22<wayneward>wow its better since i added the troll to the ignore list!!
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22:24<MadeOfWin>thanks for sharing, you're lucky i'm not a operator here though, you disrespecting the channel rules wouldn't of gotten past the first 2 times
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22:27<amphi>wayneward: /ignore -replies FTW
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22:29<wayneward>lol
22:31<wayneward>just trying to get a windows box to capture dv and burn to dvd with nero what a sad waste of time - on my linux box no probs! on doze it just locks awful memory and process manangement!
22:32<MadeOfWin>...
22:32<MadeOfWin>heh
22:32<wayneward>might have to convert the customers to a linux box nice :-)
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22:32<MadeOfWin>so I take it no channel admins are present?
22:33<MadeOfWin>I mean seriously, it's become clear this isn't a real debian channel, I came here from freenode to check out the maturity level and see what this community is about
22:33<MadeOfWin>and i'm not impressed
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22:36<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: you're free to leave. we already know you're always right.
22:38<wayneward>brb
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22:41<MadeOfWin>MoDaX it's clear you're not part of the debian community minus disrespecting those who are in irc
22:41<MadeOfWin>so you can't be taken seriously
22:42<MadeOfWin>but just remember if it wasn't for me and those like me debian wouldn't be what it is
22:42<MadeOfWin>so don't take that for granted
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22:43<martin_>hey guys i need some help , i have a broadcom 4312 wireless rev 01 which lists in lspci i did everyhing on linuxwireless.org instgalling b43 and b43legacy but i still cant enable it in kwlan could anyone help?
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22:44<midas>somebody speak russian?
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22:45<MoDaX>!ru
22:45<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
22:46<MoDaX>martin_: is it shown in iwconfig?
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22:46<midas>thanx
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22:48<MoDaX>MadeOfWin: I recommend we both shut up about this since it has long gone personal and hence completely OT.
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22:56<vook>midas: there is also a #debian-russian on irc.debian.org
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22:57<dvst8ion>hows is everyone tonight?
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23:00<wayneward>is see new kde packages 4:3.5.9 updates wicked
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23:02<MoDaX>wayneward: no. wait for another dinstall at 7:52 UTC
23:03<wayneward>they not good
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23:05<MoDaX>wayneward: I know I'm saying. upgrade in 10 hours
23:05<MoDaX>know what*
23:05<wayneward>oh i started upgrade this bad will my machine be ok>
23:05<wayneward>?
23:05<MoDaX>cancel upgrade
23:06<wayneward>ok i ahve
23:06<wayneward>have
23:06<wayneward>whats wrong dont they work?
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23:07<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Is there a limit on how many times one can call malloc()?
23:07<wayneward>MoDaX will they braek machine
23:07<wayneward>break*
23:08<MadeOfWin>Ghost no
23:08<MadeOfWin>memory allocation is limited to amount of ram you have though
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23:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MadeOfWin: I have this code that crashes during a malloc
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23:09<MoDaX>wayneward: if you upgrade now, apt-get/aptitude may remove some important parts of kde for you
23:09<wayneward>ah ok hell! cheers!
23:10<wayneward>brb
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23:10<amphi>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: you're sure it crashes in malloc? or just near it, say after it fails and you use the pointer regardless, perhaps? ;)
23:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>amphi: No it crashes in malloc
23:11<amphi>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: forgive my doubting you
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23:11<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: try valgrind
23:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>valgrind free?
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23:13<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: valgrind --tool=memcheck iirc
23:13<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: it will help you debug memory allocation issues
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23:14<arschknacker1>http://osuosl.org/contribute
23:14<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I'll try it out
23:15<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>woah 37.1MB package, will take a while
23:15<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>2 minutes :(
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23:15<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>battery is going to die in 35 minutes =/
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23:17<vn>hi, I'm installing a debian etch with soft raid but I don't understand, I did a raid partition on my 2 scsi drives, which gave me a software raid device and then I'm trying to create my partitions but as soon as I create the 1st partition it tells me the free space is unusable...I want to do more than one partitions, any tips?
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23:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>uh
23:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>valgrind segfaulted!
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23:21<MoDaX>vn: generally, softraid devices are partitionaless, so you have to create a separate md device for each parition. linux 2.6 supports partitionful software raid devices, but I'm sure if debian-installer supports them
23:22<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: check you ram
23:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MoDaX: This malloc happens on another PC
23:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Both amd64 lennys
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23:22<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: so valgrind segfaulted where?
23:23<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>--10633-- VALGRIND INTERNAL ERROR: Valgrind received a signal 11 (SIGSEGV) - exiting
23:23<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>--10633-- si_code=1; Faulting address: 0x153D4E98; sp: 0x403184E30
23:23<vn>MoDaX: so, one soft RAID device per partition?
23:23-!-wayneward_ [~wayneward@lancastercomputers.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:23<MoDaX>vn: yes
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23:23<vn>ok thanks
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23:24<vn>does it matter if a partition is at the beginning or the end of the disk?
23:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MoDaX: What Debian are you using?
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23:25<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: I mean on which pc valgrind crashes
23:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MoDaX: The laptop
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23:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>My battery is going to die any minute so I'll be on my desktop in a bit
23:26<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: the same which gives you malloc() problems?
23:26<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MoDaX: Both my PCs give me malloc problems
23:26<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>This is a Dec 2006 PC and my Desktop is a Jan 2008 PC
23:27<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Memory is fine
23:27<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: well, I'm on sid/amd64. everything seems to be fine
23:28<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>MoDaX: give me a minute
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23:29<GhostlyDeath>MoDaX: OK
23:31<GhostlyDeath>MoDaX: Going to run it on my desktop
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23:34<engywuck>please smeone kill me
23:35<engywuck>i needed TWO hours and a nearöly completely written bugreport to realize i hadn't properly closed my encrypted device and that's the reason I couldn't start it again
23:35<engywuck>shouldn't do such things in the middle of the night
23:36*vn stabs engywuck in the face
23:36<engywuck>thanks
23:37<vn>np
23:37<engywuck>argh
23:37<engywuck>how dumb can a person be?
23:37<GhostlyDeath>MoDaX: valgrind segfaults
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23:38<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath: then your app is seriously broken
23:39<amphi>GhostlyDeath: that's impressive ;)
23:39<GhostlyDeath>Works in Windows......
23:39<amphi>yeah yeah ;)
23:40<GhostlyDeath>Well if this works in stable then something is wrong with lenny's malloc
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23:40<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath: is it wine?
23:41<GhostlyDeath>No
23:41<GhostlyDeath>Native app
23:42<MoDaX>GhostlyDeath: then what does it have to do with windows?
23:43<GhostlyDeath>testing it in a 32-bit environment
23:47<GhostlyDeath>hmm, fixed some code
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23:49<GhostlyDeath>MoDaX: I'm porting someone elses code, valgrind reported an invalid write of size 8, the line in there was allocating 4 bytes (because a 32-bit pointer is 4 bytes), once I fixed it, it started working
23:49<GhostlyDeath>which would explain why it worked on a 32-bit Windows
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23:50<tcsetattr>another good memory debugging aid is compiling with gcc -fmudflap (then link -lmudflap)
23:51<GhostlyDeath>MoDaX: but thanks anyway
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23:53<JCH01>hey
23:54<wayneward_>yolp
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