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---Logopened Fri Mar 14 00:00:31 2008
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00:00<wayneward_>anyone running debain on asus 701 here have a small sleep problem with it..
00:01<dpkg>well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
00:01<wayneward_>ahhh many thanks
00:02<wayneward_>i think its acpi not a big problem
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00:03<wayneward_>you may be able to help - if i suspend the laptop it suspends fine when i power back up it comes up then goes back to suspend so i power gain and then it stays on but network wont work
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00:09<amphi>wayneward_: wireless?
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00:16<wayneward_>when i bring back from sleep no wireless
00:16<wayneward_>i use madwifi driver might try nsiswrapper
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00:16<wayneward_>wireless is fine in general just wont work after sleep
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00:16<dondelelcaro>wayneward_: you often need to unload the kernel modules and reload them after sleeping.
00:16<wayneward_>ah how do i do this?
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00:16<wayneward_>yes correct i tested that
00:16<wayneward_>is there a way to get it to unload when it sleeps and modprobes on start
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---Logopened Fri Mar 14 00:18:12 2008
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00:21<qq>wayneward_ /etc/init.d/networking restart don't do the trick ?
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00:22<schmichael>to anyone who heard me whining about my prism2 wifi card not working earlier: i got it
00:23<whitehat>helllo,Is there any applications for debian that can edit mp4 files such as cut them off and a certian poin OR make them smaller by takeing down video quality?
00:23<schmichael>blacklisted hostap and forced orinoco
00:23<schmichael>modules that is
00:23<vn>schmichael: heh sry I didn't saw your whining, I could have been helping ya
00:24<vn>yea its typical..
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00:25<whitehat>ok are there any such apps?
00:25<schmichael>people kept telling me to kill network-manager... it actually works great
00:26<qq>whitehat: ffmpeg, mpalyer
00:27<qq>s/ mplayer
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00:31<wayneward_>i tried restarting network no doesnt work
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00:32<wayneward_>if i remove the kernel module then sleep then start the modprobe the module when i bring it back up i have to restart the network twice and it works again!
00:32<wayneward_>i dont have network-manager could this fix it?
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00:33<RIVE>Hello, good evenning.
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00:39<qq>Mexico evening, here morning Cesar (RIVE)
00:41<RIVE>Thats right qq.
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00:50<torrr>is it possible to force password login after ssh login via a private key?
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00:51<whitehat>oh Hello, I was again wondering about the mp4 converter tools sorry for asking again
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00:52<whitehat>mplayer is no at mp4 editor just a player
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00:53<jcdubacq> PreferredAuthentications
00:53<jcdubacq> Specifies the order in which the client should try protocol 2
00:53<jcdubacq> authentication methods. This allows a client to prefer one
00:53<jcdubacq> method (e.g. keyboard-interactive) over another method (e.g.
00:53<jcdubacq> password) The default for this option is: “gssapi-with-mic,
00:53<jcdubacq> hostbased, publickey, keyboard-interactive, password”.
00:53<jcdubacq>torrr: yes, indeed
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00:54<jcdubacq>ssh -o 'PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive, password' ...
00:56<torrr>jcdubacq, I mean in the server
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00:56<jcdubacq>so two auths in a row ?
00:57<jcdubacq>I do not think so. But you could redirect all connections to another sshd (on another port)
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01:03<torrr>jcdubacq, I was thinking on the command= in the authorized_keys file
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01:06<vn>how am I supposed to think when setuping a soft raid during etchs install? I create the same scheme on both my scsi disks (/boot / /var & /usr) with the use as : physical volume for RAID and then I configure RAID to link the disks? thats it? or I'm wrong/missing something
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01:09<blarson>vn: if you don't want lvm, you need to create md partitions for each then put the filesystems on top of the md partitions.
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01:10<vn>why would I want lvm?
01:10<vn>and where do I put the boot flag if I dont have lvm?
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01:11<noli>who can suggest me a good program for debian with the function MEMO
01:11<noli>something like memorex for linux
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01:12<blarson>vn: lvm allows eaiser reconfiguration, at the cost of complexity to set up and a little wasted space.
01:13<vn>k bah...never had to reconfigure partitions once its setupped
01:13<zarchne>noli: what memorex?
01:13<blarson>vn: on your partition that holds the md that has /boot .
01:13<noli>it is a program for windows which memo function
01:13<vn>ok thanks
01:14<noli>a sort of calendar remainder
01:14<zarchne>noli: Ah... remind, ical...
01:15<qq>korganizer ?
01:15<noli>which the best one zarchne ?
01:15<noli>remind _
01:15<zarchne>no, I don't know.
01:15<noli>dows it take a lot of emory ?
01:16<zarchne>noli: It depends on what user interface you want.
01:16<noli>what does that mean ?
01:16<zarchne>the original "remind" was run on login...
01:16<vn>remind is a console thingy?
01:17<zarchne>It was, back in the early 90s...
01:17<vn>ahhh the ol' times eh? :p
01:17<vn>zarchne why isn't your nick zarachne?
01:19<zarchne>vn: I've never heard of "Phantasy Star III" until I googled zarachne just now. I made up the name "Zarchne" in, like, 1987 (and it didn't mean me at the time).
01:20<vn>is a browser
01:20<k1lumin4t1>does anybody know how to restore an IPOD on linux? maybe using gtkpod
01:21<zarchne>yeah, four years before the web was invented.
01:21<vn>what do you mean by restore?
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01:23<ryan_combs>how do i set up permissions for an external har drive
01:23<alaya>ryan_combs: what sort of fs?
01:24<ryan_combs>what does that mean
01:24<zarchne>ryan_combs: one way is in /etc/fstab
01:24<alaya>are you using ubuntu?
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01:25<ryan_combs>no debian etch
01:25<RIVE>fs= file system
01:25<qq><RIVE> yes
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01:26<zarchne>ryan_combs: "what sort of fs" means "how was the external hard drive formatted"?
01:26<ryan_combs>what is a file system
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01:27<zarchne>okay, good answer.
01:27<ryan_combs>it was fat32
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01:28<zarchne>Okay, I was actually expecting that answer.
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01:28<alaya>you can create a special group
01:28<zarchne>ryan_combs: describe how you want it to work.
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01:28<alaya>then grant rwx perms for the group and mount with appropriate gid and umask options
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01:29<alaya>and add users to that group
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01:29<ryan_combs>alaya, i have no idea what that means
01:29<vn>uhm I want to use my IDE HD for data asks me what will be the type of the partition table
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01:29<vn>do I answer msdos?
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01:30<alaya>vn: what are you installing?
01:30<zarchne>vn: what are you running?
01:30<ryan_combs>zarchne, it just says i dont have permissions to write to it
01:30<vn>a dserver on debian etch
01:31<alaya>msdos is the standard partition type for most x86 systems
01:31<ryan_combs>zarchne, and im trying to save some movies to it
01:31<vn>k, its a x86 sys so yea
01:31<zarchne>ryan_combs: Okay. I would start a terminal.
01:31<ryan_combs>k now what
01:32<zarchne>where is is mounted?
01:32<vn>damn, never had such a complicated partition setup ehe
01:32<MadeOfWin>you noobs talk more about windows, ubuntu, and everything but debian
01:32<ryan_combs>i think
01:32<vn>MadeOfWin: see your nickname heh
01:32<vn>I do talk about deb!
01:32<zarchne>ryan_combs: No, that's the device. try typing "df"
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01:33<MadeOfWin>seems like a rarity in here, which I don't understand, there are windows channels, there are ubuntu channels
01:33<MadeOfWin>this is DEBIAN
01:33<zarchne>ryan_combs: "/dev/sda" should appear in the first column somewhere. What is in the same line in the last column?
01:33<ryan_combs>zarchne, /media/usb0
01:33<MadeOfWin>give it it's well deserved respect
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01:34<zarchne>ryan_combs: okay, so I would type "mkdir /media/usb0/movies" to create a subdir "movies" on the device.
01:36<ryan_combs>zarchne, mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/usb0/movies': Permission denied
01:36<zarchne>ryan_combs: okay, "sudo mkdir /media/usb0/movies"?
01:37<ryan_combs>zarchne, ryan is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
01:37<zarchne>ryan_combs: but you know the root password, right?
01:37<ryan_combs>zarchne, yeah thats wht i typed
01:38<zarchne>so type "su" and put in the root password.
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01:39<ryan_combs>zarchne, i dont want to have to do that every time i want to save something to it
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01:40<zarchne>ryan_combs: we're getting there.
01:40<ryan_combs>zarchne, okey
01:40<zarchne>ryan_combs: so now you've got a "#" prompt, right?
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01:41<zarchne>ryan_combs: something like "name:~#"?
01:42<vn>luckily its not my shell cuz its kinda a complicated prompt :p
01:42<vn>on zsh4
01:42<ryan_combs>zarchne, i did su>password>mkdir /media/usb0/moveis and now there is a file labeled movies
01:42<zarchne>Oh, okay, you're ahead of me
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01:43<zarchne>One thing you can do is just "chown ryan /media/usb0/movies" or whatever your username is.
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01:45<alaya>you can't chown a fat32!
01:45<ryan_combs>zarchne, would that just give me permissions for the movies subdir or for the whole hard drive
01:45<alaya>need to mount it with correct umask and/or uid/gid
01:45<ryan_combs>alaya, its not fat32
01:46<zarchne>ryan_combs: Just the subdir.
01:46<alaya>ryan_combs: i suggest reading groupadd and mount man pages
01:46<alaya>ryan_combs: oh forget the mount one if its not fat32
01:46<zarchne>Are you planning to move this around or is it pretty much permanent?
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01:47<ryan_combs>zarchne, permanent
01:47<alaya>ryan_combs: groupadd, addgroup, chmod, and chown/chgrp man pages will help
01:47<qq>zarchne : (!! verify that <ryan_combs> has not changed directory name from movies/ to i did su>password>mkdir /media/usb0/moveis )
01:48<ryan_combs>qq, what are you talking about
01:48<zarchne>ryan_combs: you made a typo
01:48<mike_>ryan_combs: he means, you may have typo'd.
01:48<mike_>ls /media/whatever-it-was/movies
01:48<mike_>To make sure it's there
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01:48<mike_>(if you haven't already)
01:49<mike_>I don't see the typo. He said he saw a file now labeled movies...
01:50<ryan_combs>mike_, its there
01:50*zarchne nods.
01:50<mike_>Heh, thought so.
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01:52<ryan_combs>zarchne, it still says i dont have permissions to write to it
01:52<zarchne>ryan_combs: The fact is, you *can* "chown ryan /media/usb0" and the filesystem (i.e. the disk) will save that info...
01:53<zarchne>write to "/media/usb0/movies" or "/media/usb0" something else?
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01:53<ryan_combs>zarchne, chown: missing operand after `/media/usb0'
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01:54<mike_>Oh.. The syntax is chown <user> <place>
01:54<mike_>That's so you can chown multiple things.
01:54<mike_>chown mike ~mike/.bashrc ~mike/.bash_profile ~mike/readme
01:54<ryan_combs>mike_, my bad i didnt put my username
01:55<mike_>right-e-o, no prob.
01:55<mike_>Do you know about permissions?
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01:56<zarchne>I'm working under the assumption he knows nearly nothing.
01:56<mike_>Fair enough :-)
01:56<ryan_combs>mike_, im still locked out of writing to it
01:56<mike_>Heh, that's where I was going with permissions.
01:56<mike_>Can you type ls -la /media/usb0/movies
01:57<ryan_combs>zarchne, im a newbie to linux
01:57<zarchne>ryan_combs: Yes, we understand.
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01:57<mike_>Yeah, np
01:57<mike_>n e way...
01:57<ryan_combs>total 8
01:57<ryan_combs>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-03-13 22:35 .
01:57<ryan_combs>drwxr-xr-x 5 ryan root 4096 2008-03-13 22:47 ..
01:58<mike_>Oh yeah *bonk self*
01:58<mike_>ls -lad /media/usb0/movies
01:58<mike_>The 'd' in -lad says "I mean the directory itself, not what's in it"
01:58<mike_>and the 'la' part shows that crazy list view.
01:58<zarchne>(then you don't need the "a")
01:58<ryan_combs>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-03-13 22:35 /media/usb0/movies
01:59<mike_>Yeah, here we go.
01:59<mike_>The owner of movies is not ryan
01:59<mike_>Did you try the chown command line on movies itself?
01:59<mike_>Or just its parent, /media/usb0?
01:59<mike_>Ah, it's not recursive.
01:59<ryan_combs>just the parrent
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01:59<mike_>Ok, ...
02:00<mike_>If you wanted to do it recursively, then append zarchne's -R to the chown command-line
02:00<duke>i want to log arpwatch not to syslog, but to arp.log, what should i write to syslog.conf file to do so?
02:00<mike_>chown -R ryan /media/usb0/movies
02:00<k1lumin4t1>are there any debianized linux programs for doing ipod stuff through GUI?
02:01<mike_>k1lumin4t1: Gnome's AmaroK I think
02:01<mike_>Or maybe there's another Gnome program, can't remember
02:01<k1lumin4t1>I see there are lots of availiable programs out there and very few of them are packaged for debian
02:01<zarchne>duke: you mean you still want it to go through the syslog facility, but to /var/log/arp.log rather than /var/log/syslog?
02:01<mike_>k1lumin4t1, I think AmaroK is
02:01<ryan_combs>k1lumin4t1, you can use rythmbox
02:01<mike_>apt-cache search amarok
02:01<mike_>Oh yeah, rhythmbox
02:01<mike_>That's what I use
02:01<duke><zarchne> yes, you are right, but it's Ok if not via syslog
02:01<k1lumin4t1>ryan_combs, rythmbox doesn't do video stuff
02:02<duke><zarchne> but in this case i should edit /etc/defaults/arpwatch? if so how? :)
02:02<ryan_combs>k1lumin4t1, dont know what to tell you then
02:03<zarchne>duke: let me find my machine that I have arpwatch install on, just a sec..
02:03<ryan_combs>mike_, chown -R ryan /media/usb0/movies didnt do anything
02:03<duke><zarchne> Okay, i'll wait
02:04<mike_>ryan_combs, you mean that ls -ld /media/usb0/movies shows the owner of /media/usb0/movies still being root?
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02:05<ryan_combs>mike_, it says "drwxr-xr-x 2 ryan root 4096 2008-03-13 22:35 /media/usb0/movies"
02:05<mike_>That is a big difference: in the output, we have:
02:05<mike_>perms owner group blah blah blah
02:06<mike_>Note that owner is ryan
02:06<mike_>Now, your user account should be able to write there.
02:06<zarchne>duke: is there a line in there about "# Global options for arpwatch(8)."?
02:06<mike_>To test, you can go:
02:06<mike_>touch /media/usb0/movies/testfile
02:06<mike_>Then fc -s touch=ls
02:06<mike_>(to see if it worked)
02:06<mike_>((if errors didn't come out))
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02:07<duke><zarchne> no, nothing about arpwatch at all
02:07<ryan_combs>mike_, ls /media/usb0/movies/testfile
02:07<ryan_combs>ls /media/usb0/movies/testfile
02:07<mike_>It worked?
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02:07<zarchne>duke: I mean, in /etc/default/arpwatch .
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02:08<duke><zarchne> oh .. wait a sec
02:08<duke><zarchne> yes. there is
02:08<mike_>If so you can delete it with: fc -s ls=rm
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02:09<duke><zarchne> ARGS="-N -p"
02:09<mike_>ryan_combs: the fc -s stuff is a bash construct meaning "fix command" -substitute x=y
02:09<duke><zarchne> and RUNAS="arpwatch"
02:09<mike_>ryan_combs: just a quickie way not to have to retype stuff
02:09<duke><zarchne> that's it
02:09<ryan_combs>mike_, rm /media/usb0/movies/testfile
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02:09<mike_>ryan_combs: so I take it you're in working condition as far as writing to your movies folder goes?
02:10<ryan_combs>mike_, ill se hang on
02:10<zarchne>duke: what that means is if you type "man 8 arpwatch" it will tell you what kind of things go in ARGS=
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02:11<ryan_combs>mike_, it still says i dont have permission to write to it
02:12<duke><zarchne> that's first thing i did, but didn't find there how to change logging behavior
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02:12<zarchne>duke: Okay, sorry.
02:13<whitehat>How do you mount a iso image?
02:13<jm_>whitehat: loop mount
02:13<whitehat>that didn't work
02:13<alaya>someone give me a link of something humorous or interesting to read please
02:13<duke><zarchne> it's Ok, i understand that here is many people who want the answer but don't want to read man pages
02:14<ryan_combs>mike_, nevermind i kan now but not anyting else
02:14<whitehat>!mount iso
02:14<dpkg>it has been said that iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
02:14<jm_>then it's possible it's not an ISO image
02:14<mike_>ryan_combs: can write there now? / can't read there?
02:15<whitehat>ok If it is a live cd image form another distro do I just double click it and it runs?
02:15<jm_>you boot from it
02:15<whitehat>I know, is broken
02:15<zarchne>duke: Compounding it is that I haven't tried to do it, so I'm just going through the steps I would go through.
02:16<zarchne>duke: unfortunately, syslog is not very fine grained.
02:16<whitehat>is there anyway I can install another distro by mounting a image?
02:16<jm_>that depends on their installation infrastructure
02:17<jm_>debian can be used like that
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02:17<whitehat>so do you no of any? bsides debian?
02:17<zarchne>duke: there's also a syslog.conf man page...
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02:17<whitehat>stupid apache I hate you
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02:18<duke><zarchne> Ok :) so i'll go straight: cat /var/log/syslog | grep arpwatch > /var/log/arp.log )))))
02:18<duke><zarchne> syslog.conf man page also read )
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02:18<jm_>apache is usually quite reliable
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02:19<whitehat>yeah, but I made the mistake of uninstalling it and wont install back
02:20<jm_>that's not a reason to reinstall, simply fix the error - paste the output on some paste site
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02:21<whitehat>Setting up apache (1.3.34-4.1+etch1) ...
02:21<whitehat>dpkg: error processing apache (--configure):
02:21<whitehat> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
02:21<whitehat>Errors were encountered while processing:
02:21<whitehat> apache
02:21<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
02:21<whitehat>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
02:21<jm_>enable debugging in postinst
02:21<jm_>and don't paste here
02:21<whitehat>how do I enable debugging in postinst?
02:22<jm_>put set -x as second line
02:22<whitehat>im confused it's not even installed
02:22<whitehat>I removed it and now can't get it back
02:23<jm_>well you either follow my advice or find someone else to help you
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02:24<whitehat>so i run this apt-get install apache -x
02:24<jm_>no, edit the postinst first
02:24<jm_>and tell me when you're done
02:24<whitehat>ok,where is the postinst?
02:25<jm_>!postinst breakage
02:25<jm_>!package breakage
02:25<dpkg>If you're getting errors when installing a package, consult the BTS (${broken-package}) first. If that doesn't reveal the answer explore the various installation scripts at /var/lib/dpkg/info/${broken-package}.{postinst,whatever}. If the remedy is still left undiscovered, consult the channel.
02:26<whitehat>ok, thank you
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02:27<jm_>uhm why did he leave
02:28<zarchne>duke: That may be best, except I would grep "daemon.log" rather than syslog.
02:29<duke><zarchne> *has gone to google )
02:29<zarchne>duke: No, I came up with that on my own, believe it or don't.
02:30<zarchne>I was actually trying to figure out arpwatch's facility from first principles, so to speak.
02:30<duke><zarchne> f*** cat grep etc... not solution, not the debian way
02:31<duke><zarchne> well let's think logically
02:32<duke><zarchne> syslog.conf: arpwatch.* -/var/log/arp.log //this is in the BOF
02:32<duke><zarchne> seems to be right
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02:34<duke><zarchne> but still writes to syslog and daemon.log :(
02:35<zarchne>Yeah, I was going to be surprised if that worked.
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02:35<zarchne>Oh, *are* you getting output to arp.log, duke?
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02:36<duke><zarchne> i want to do it, but nothing helps :(
02:37<duke>why lol??
02:37<duke><Gekz> I can't understand what's wrong!?
02:37<zarchne>I never know when somebody's going to build in a feature that never existed before.
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02:39<zarchne>The facility is one of the following keywords: auth, authpriv, cron, daemon, ftp, kern, lpr, mail, mark, news, security (same as auth), syslog, user, uucp and local0 through local7.
02:39<duke>oh understood now
02:39<duke>i'm stupid now i see
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02:40<duke>so there is no another way than cat... | grep > /... ?
02:40<zarchne>You can submit a patch to the BTS priority wishlist and it might get applied.
02:41<zarchne>(I recommend fixing arpwatch.)
02:41<duke>i'll do )
02:41<zarchne>Can I ask why you're trying to isolate arpwatch log messages?
02:41<duke>i think i'm not alone with ths issue?
02:42<duke>I want to isolate it to view arp changes more convinient
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02:43<zarchne>Fair enough, I guess.
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02:44<zarchne>duke: the cat is superfluous, btw.
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02:47<zarchne>duke: I've never done this, but you could attach a process to a named pipe to replicate the arpwatch part automatically.
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02:48<duke><zarchne> maybe, but i'm not so expirienced to do such manipulations
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02:50<zarchne>duke: your call.
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03:05<philipp>Hufi:/home/philipp/Desktop# ./netb*
03:05<philipp>bash: ./ Keine Berechtigung
03:05<philipp>why i cant execute it?
03:06<tcsetattr>who is Keine Berechtigung?
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03:07<philipp>in inglisch means keine Berechtigung no autorisazion
03:07<philipp>but i am root
03:07<INT_80h>chmod a+x ./netbeans*
03:08<philipp>now i am able to start it
03:08<philipp>but he is printing an eroor massage
03:08<philipp>Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable.
03:08<zarchne>do you really want to run it as root?
03:10<zarchne>i.e. try running it as your regular user now.
03:10<INT_80h>you are running it as root?
03:10<INT_80h>the chmod should have made it able to run as anyone
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03:12<philipp>Hufi:/home/philipp/Desktop# whoami
03:12<INT_80h>yeahh dont run it as root
03:12<INT_80h>exit; and run it as yourself
03:13<INT_80h>then the display xauth will be set up correctly
03:13<philipp>i and my root acount... its amazing that my os even survife that
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03:16<philipp>The installer cold not find a compatible JDK installation.
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03:16<philipp>what does it mean... i havent a clue what JDK is
03:16<zarchne>java development kit
03:17<INT_80h>fella, your problems are a bit more in-depth. you should have a go at the README included with the netbeans install
03:17<philipp>have i to install it with aptitude?
03:17<INT_80h>you probably shouldnt be installing netbeans if you dont know what jdk means
03:17<zarchne>philipp: "apt-cache search jdk"
03:17<zarchne>although INT_80h has a point.
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03:21<philipp>free-java-sdk - Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools
03:21<philipp>japitools - Java API compatibility testing tools
03:21<philipp>kaffe - A JVM to run Java bytecode
03:21<philipp>libcommons-lang-java - Extension of the java.lang package
03:21<philipp>libcommons-launcher-java - cross platform java application launcher
03:21<philipp>libitext-java - Java Library to generate PDF on the Fly
03:21<philipp>libnbio2-java - NBIO: Nonblocking I/O for Java, Version 2
03:22<philipp>libpg-java - Java database (JDBC) driver for PostgreSQL
03:22<philipp>librxtx-java - Full Java CommAPI implementation
03:22<philipp>mmake - Makefile generator for Java programs
03:22<philipp> - OpenOffice.orgs Java libraries (native for use with GIJ)
03:22<philipp>usepackage - utility to manage environment variables from within dotfiles
03:22<philipp>sun-java5-bin - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture dependent files)
03:22<philipp>sun-java5-demo - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 demos and examples
03:22<Gekz>omg spam
03:22<philipp>sun-java5-doc - Sun JDK(TM) Documention -- integration installer
03:22<philipp>sun-java5-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0
03:22<philipp>sun-java5-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)
03:22<philipp>sun-java5-source - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 source files
03:22<philipp>which one is the best?
03:23<philipp>i haven vorgotten to use paste
03:23<philipp>it wont happen agin
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03:30<philipp>aptitode says there is no match with a packet called so
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03:31<philipp>sorry... it was an tipping error... i'e it
03:34<philipp>ive a final question
03:35<INT_80h>uh, ask away...
03:35<philipp>there is a colum called Install the NetBeans IDE to: and it contains my homedirektoy
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03:36<philipp>does it means he installs all of netbeans in my home?
03:36<INT_80h>yes, that is typical for multi-user systems, to install to your home dir so only you can use it
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03:37<philipp>its ok to install the settings there but isnt it untypial to insall there a whole programm?
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03:38<INT_80h>no, it's normal to install the program there, especially for an ide which is customised per-user
03:38<INT_80h>you can override and install system-wide if you really want to
03:38<INT_80h>but if its your home pc, it doesnt make a diff
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03:40<philipp>for example jdk is installt in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun and not in /home/philipp
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03:41<INT_80h>jdk is systemwide...i told you already, install it wherever you want. you dont need to argue with me :P
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03:43<philipp>i will install it on default... its a mirical taht my my os run at all so i dont want to make it worser
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03:44<philipp>anyway... it seems to work. Thank you for supporting me
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04:07<Balthasar>I need help setting up my "new" graphics card. It's an Radeon 9700 which I just put in a debian i386 machine and, though i still had some hope in debian detecting it automatically, x server failed to start and me being a total linux newbie doesnt know what to type in the console to make it install new drivers for the radeon...
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04:07<amirrulx>hi guys
04:08<amirrulx>how can i install ntfs support
04:08<GhostlyDeath>just install ntfs-3g!
04:08<amirrulx>couldn't get it done with aptitude install ntfs-3g
04:08<jm_>amirrulx: or simply use built-in support if you only need RO access
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04:09<amirrulx>anone got ntfs-3g repo? foe etch
04:09<jm_>Balthasar: you can tyr using vesa driver or google for "debian fglrx"
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04:09<jm_>ntfs-3g is on backports, and stop asking yes/no questions
04:10<INT_80h>ati proprietary driver for linux:
04:10<GhostlyDeath>jm_: Am I in #debian?
04:10<jm_>GhostlyDeath: yes
04:11<chealer>amirrulx: do you want to write to the filesystem or just read?
04:11<amirrulx>write also
04:11<amirrulx>now searching for backport repo
04:11<Balthasar>Could you provide me with a console only driver installation howto for a graphics card... sry
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04:12<dpkg>i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.,,, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
04:12<jm_>you don't need anything for console
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04:12<chealer>Balthasar: there should be no need to install a driver. just configure X to use a different driver which supports your card.
04:13<Balthasar>x conf howto?
04:13<INT_80h>is your BEST friend
04:13<Balthasar>thx guys
04:13<chealer>!tell Balthasar about drxx
04:13<amirrulx>try nano /etx/X11/xorg.conf
04:13<amirrulx>try nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
04:13<Balthasar>hope ill make it
04:14<jaakko>Balthasar : dpkg-reconfiugre xserver-xorg
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04:15<jaakko>Balthasar: it is a front end to /etc/xorg.conf
04:15<Balthasar>so i just type that and wont be disabled anymore?!
04:15<jaakko>Balthasar: it will ask some questions
04:16<jaakko>Balthasar: and detect hardware
04:16<Balthasar>thats the tool i wanted
04:16<Balthasar>like in install, right?
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04:18<amirrulx>thx guys
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04:20<suchil>hola soy nuevo en linux y tmb en el irc
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04:32<spar74n>hi ppl
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04:33<spar74n>1280x800 in grub anzbodz?
04:33<jm_>spar74n: doesn't sound like a vesa resolution
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04:34<spar74n>jm_ i know but was wondering is there a way to do it?
04:34<jm_>spar74n: try vga=ask, alternatively stm or fb docs might shed some light
04:35<spar74n>jm_ vga=ask always gives wierd resolution
04:35<jaakko>spar74n: did you ask the same question yesterday? I think it there was some issue, frambuffer not supporting that resolution (what ever that means).
04:36<jm_>spar74n: it asks you and then you select it from the list
04:36<spar74n>jaakko yes i did i taught i found an answer but it seems that depends on card chipset
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04:37<spar74n>i will look into it
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04:38<jm_>spar74n: should be no trouble with X so you can use that instead
04:38<DebEtch>hello, good morning
04:39<spar74n>jm_ yes x works perfect i setup fglrx on it works like a charm
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04:40<spar74n>what about this?
04:40<spar74n>process 3523: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
04:40<spar74n>See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue.
04:40<spar74n>** Message: Fama v0.0.3 (c) 2007 Mario Danic & Jonas Broms
04:40<spar74n>** (process:3523): WARNING **: There is no D-Bus session is available for this session!
04:40<spar74n>** (process:3523): WARNING **: Run 'export `dbus-launch --exit-with-session`' to start one.
04:41<Gekz>good to see valid english
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04:43<spar74n>does anybody know?
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04:43<spar74n>is it broken package or i did something wrong?
04:43<Gekz>** (process:3523): WARNING **: Run 'export `dbus-launch --exit-with-session`' to start one.
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04:48<MadeOfWin>STAND DOWN Gekz
04:48<MadeOfWin>stand down
04:49<spar74n>Gekz do u know what i have to do?
04:49<Gekz>sleep on the job and hope for the best
04:50<spar74n>Gekz about dbus problem lol
04:50<spar74n>btw i cant sleep on the job
04:50<spar74n>at least not on this one
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04:51<wiser>estoy en el curro con debian
04:51<spar74n>is fama working for anybody?
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04:52<wiser>me acaban de pasar un dvd con 3 videos en formato .vob y quiero saber como editarlo para cortar desde cierto minuto hasta otro
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04:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:57<knoppix_>moin miteinander
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04:59<Guest1311>hab gerade knoppix installiert, nun wollt ich wissen, wie ich was nachinstallieren kann
05:00<Maulkin>Guest1311: #knoppix
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05:00<Guest1311>aah, thx, Maulkin
05:01<Maulkin>und.. erm.. wir mussen auf English gespecht
05:02<Maulkin>oh, and probably Englisch.
05:02*Maulkin goes for breakfast
05:02<Guest1311>Maulkin, there is a Problem, there is no one in the knoppix channel
05:03<craigevil>try on
05:03<Guest1311>thx, i will try
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05:05<craigevil>Guest1311: just curious why would you want to install knoppix? its meant for use as a livecd and not really meant to be installed to HD
05:07<Guest1311>craigevil, i just want to try, how it is if its installed
05:07<Guest1311>and its quit easy to install
05:07<craigevil>Guest1311: your better off installing Debian or at the very least something like sidux
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05:09<Guest1311>craigevil, thanks for the tip, maybe ill try, bye bye
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05:59<Saajan>hi ppl
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06:25<hachi>I've got a box here that won't boot for seemingly strange reasons... like libc in the initramfs not working properly or things like that
06:25<maks>you are un debian?
06:25<hachi>I get the 4gb nosegneg fixup warnings a lot... and if I just manually to an update-initramfs -k all -u, it will fix things
06:26<hachi>why would I be asking here if I wasn't on debian?
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06:26<maks>ubuntu had an libc6 problem lately, lots of of ubuntu user also come here
06:26<padski>hachi, you're new here aren't you ;-)
06:27<hachi>a little to the contrary
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06:29<hachi>also, the package linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686
06:29<hachi>what xen hypervisor is this supposed to run under?
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06:32<hachi>so, why would an upgrade of libc on a machine cause the initramfs to have troubles till I update the initramfs manually?
06:32<padski>hachi, I would expect whatever is shipping contemporary in the same feed
06:33<padski>hachi, there are sometimes broken corner cases in some of the more complex bootstrap setups. when upgrading it is as well to have a fallback
06:33<hachi>I should think that the initramfs contents would continue to boot properly until the pivot_root and whatnot are processed
06:33<hachi>and then I would see problems with pid1 init conflicting with the rest of the libc that is now visible
06:33<hachi>and yes, I would tend to agree padski
06:34<hachi>sadly, when I upgrade libc
06:34<padski>hachi, when you've figured out what went wrong, you get to file a bug-report :-)
06:34<hachi>all of my initramfs have the same problem
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06:34<hachi>you know, I came here to see if I could get help, not a strike on the ass
06:35<hachi>been trying to figure this out for like two months now
06:35<padski>hachi, what ?
06:35<hachi>why I have to manually do an `update-initramfs -k all -u`
06:36<hachi>it makes no sense
06:36<hachi>I already explained why it makes no sense
06:38<padski>hachi, this manual operation changes the initramfs image ?
06:38<jm_>doesn't initramfs use klibc or somesuch
06:39<hachi>I'd say that it 'updates' the initramfs
06:39<hachi>maybe it does
06:39<hachi>but regardless of what it uses, it's effectively a jail
06:40<hachi>the kernel doesn't change
06:40<hachi>and the initramfs doesn't change
06:40<jm_>i'm glad I hate initrd/initramfs setups
06:40<hachi>so why does a debian update of packages (I'm pretty sure it's libc) cause the boot failures to happen the moment I get started
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06:41<maks>jm_: for the important like run-init those are klibc compiled against
06:41<padski>hachi, it is a file, it either changes or it doesn't. use a checksum.
06:41<maks>pivot_root is an initrd thought that is gone
06:42<padski>maks, huh ?
06:42<maks>huh what
06:42<maks>gone for lunch
06:43<padski>maks, I am trying to make sense of " pivot_root is an initrd thought that is gone"
06:43<hachi>pivot_root must happen, otherwise I'd have an initramfs thing locked in memory all the time
06:44<padski>maks, what does it mean ? is pivot_root not used anymore ?
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06:47<padski>pivot_root has gone to lunch ?
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06:50<padski>hachi, I thought the 4G fixup thing was about whether you use the xen libc bit that does threading differently
06:53<hachi>if that is the case, then I already meet that requirement
06:53<hachi>and it
06:54<hachi>and the hilarious thing is, it happens when I'm not even in xen
06:54<padski>hachi, you see the 4G fixup messages when you are not in xen ?
06:54<hachi>my earlier question about getting the 2.6.24 kernel with xen was regarding which hypervisor lets you boot into it
06:55<hachi>yes, I do
06:55<hachi>I just saw it a couple days ago when I upgraded libc on the machine
06:56<hachi>after the upgrade, the syslog channel starts picking up on pid1 init having that trouble
06:56<hachi>and the moment I do a `telinit q` it shuts up
06:56<hachi>till I reboot, and then I start dealing with the headache
06:57<padski>hachi, I'd suggest you look at the debian xen ml or if there is an irc channel ask there, about xen after etch. I have it running through my mailbox, but I don't read it all.
06:57<padski>hachi, and this is a vanilla kernel,no xen
06:57<hachi>not in xen
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06:57<hachi>not 'vanilla'
06:57<hachi>I'd say its the 'debian' kernel
06:58<padski>hachi, sorry, I just mean no xen patches in it
06:58<hachi>I dunno what patches there are to it
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06:59<padski>hachi, you would see it in uname -r
06:59<hachi>no, that doesn't tell me what patches there are in it
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06:59<hachi>that tells me the kernel version
07:00<padski>hachi, the debian xen kernels say 'xen' in uname -r
07:00<hachi>I don't know what patches debian put in the 2.6.22-3-686
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07:00<hachi>yes, they do
07:00<hachi>mine doesn't
07:00<hachi>like I said
07:00<hachi>but what I can't say is that there are no xen patches in the 2.6.22-3-686 kernel
07:01<hachi>debian patches them, I know this
07:01<padski>ok, just checking, didn't want to labour it :-)
07:01<hachi>I don't know what patches are in it
07:02<padski>hachi, I haven't actually checked myself, but I thought I have run a .22 version without seeing the 4G fixup thing, but now I think about it that was only on ppc.
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07:04<hachi>then of course I've also got this snmpd bug
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07:04<hachi>which I don't know if this is a kernel bug or an snmpd bug
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07:06<padski>hachi, tell
07:07<hachi>bonding interfaces don't support some ioctl that snmpd is trying to hit the interface with
07:07<padski>bonding interfaces ?
07:07<hachi>snmpd logs about the failure.... a lot of the time
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07:11<Rainier>hey everyone, I accidently disabled root login access before adding my name to sudoers I was wondering how I can recover my password? I am able to boot into knoppix, can I mount the drive use chroot?
07:12<padski>Rainier, yeah. then use passwd. easy :-)
07:13<Rainier>I only get one chance at it because it is a hosted server O/S.. do you know the exact commands?
07:14<Rainier>I was here the other day and someone used a ! command on the bot, do you know what it is?
07:14<aptituz>Rainier: what does "disabled login access" mean? whatever you did: do it backwards
07:14<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
07:14<Rainier>I mean I ran usermod -L root before I added my user to sudoers.
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07:15<Rainier>silly habit of using debian.
07:15<Rainier>sorry ubuntu
07:15<aptituz>then either remove the ! in /etc/passwd from his password for the more sane way: usermod -U root
07:15<padski>Rainier, it interogates the bot. the bot answers in the channel. you can also msg the bot privately. which is preferred for your own researches
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07:15<aptituz>Rainier: if you do such things, you should know how to revert them
07:16<Rainier>aptituz, I know.. It was just a mistake on my part..
07:17<padski>althought that may be /etc/shadow
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07:18<Rainier>so I should do the following 1. mount -o / root
07:18<Rainier>once I login with knoppix
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07:19<padski>Rainier, so you are not still at the root prompt then ?
07:19<Rainier>I logged out.
07:19<Rainier>I didn't realise it was lost until the next day.
07:19<aptituz>Rainier: boot knoppix, mount your / somewhere with rw acces, chroot to it and run usermod -U root
07:19<aptituz>simple as that
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07:20<padski>although passwd does seem to work here
07:21<Rainier>what's the command to mount? mount -o rw / /hd
07:21<maks>pivot_root is old-style
07:21<padski>maks, what are the kids doing these days then ?
07:21<gsimmons>!tell Rainier -about ifrp
07:21<maks>initramfs just mount mv the important pieces nukes all initramfs and then invokes init
07:21<guillaume>Hi, I'm searching a way to fix hwclock under sid on a Dell M1710, before I upgrade to Sid, I could do that using -directisa but now it doesn't work with Sid, I have a /dev/rtv device but hwclock can't get info from it
07:22<maks>padski: see run-init.c
07:22<padski>maks, ah! is this where the actual root is virtual in the first place
07:22<Rainier>thanks ppl, will give it a go..
07:23<Rainier>I can do that from the knoppix terminal right?
07:23<guillaume>cat /dev/rtc return busy device message
07:24<Rainier>just out of interest what does init=/bin/bash at lilo do? does it start a terminal with bash?
07:24<padski>it runs bash as the init process. essentially yes.
07:28<padski>my /dev/rtc is root:audio
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07:32<guillaume>modprobe rtc fail...
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07:34<amphi>guillaume: you should see some message in syslog, I think
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07:40<Blas>Hi, I've installed a copy of Debian Etch to my HDD with grub installed on the root partition. However my PC can't use grub I've found as it crashes when you choose any option and I need to install lilo onto sda1 instead - I'm on a liveCD currently - anyone know how I can do this?
07:41<Blas>is that to my question?
07:41<padski>jm_, don't believe you
07:41<Blas>ah lol
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07:43<padski>Blas, I would guess that you can just fsck, mount, chroot, mount proc and then apt-get install. sounds like it would be worth a try :-)
07:43<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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07:43<padski>what he said :-)
07:43<Blas>jm_ please don't do that
07:43<jm_>do what?
07:43<Blas>it's nothing to do with the MBR and it just floods the channel
07:44<jm_>ahh someone that knows better
07:45<Blas>grub _isn't_ in my MBR as I've already said
07:45<crazyb0y>Blas: which option you can't boot? the linux one or something else ?
07:46<Blas>Well I only have linux so its the only option
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07:46<Blas>Legacy-grub is known to be problematic on Dell Optiplex 320's - the fix is to use lilo or grub2
07:46<crazyb0y>Blas: ok, your boot loader can't see the boot partition ?
07:47<crazyb0y>Blas: or maybe the right drivers for your hard disk =)
07:47<Blas>crazyb0y: well I'd hope it can, grub is on the partition its about to boot to
07:47<crazyb0y>Blas: is it the first time you boot this linux ?
07:47<Blas>Well theres never been a fix anyway, even if you get around grub you have to use pci=nomsi as well
07:47<crazyb0y>or it happened after recompiling kernel ? or something else ?
07:47<obone>I have a problem with a shared directory with acl
07:48<Blas>Nuh, I've install debian 4 before but that time remembered to select Lilo - forgot this time
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07:48<crazyb0y>Blas: if you think that you have to install lilo, so do that doesn't matter what boot loader you use
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07:49<Blas>oh I know I am gonna install lilo
07:49<crazyb0y>Blas: but i think, there's no correct drivers for your HDD, and the boot loader can't find it
07:49<obone>each time a user create a file, che create the file with full user right but read on the group ! '-rwxr--r-- 1 user Domain Users'
07:49<Blas>just needed know how to do it from a livecd -think i've worked it out now
07:49<Blas>i've had debian booting on this before - more on a wing and a prayer tho :D
07:50<crazyb0y>Blas: you have to mount your Linux partition and /proc and, after that to chroot into the linux partition and just install lilo
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07:51<crazyb0y>is your boot loader installed on MBR?
07:51<Blas>crazyb0y: if grub is on - will apt-get install lilo be sufficient?
07:51<Blas>no its on sda1, I use something else in the MBR
07:51<crazyb0y>Blas: don't know it must remove it automatically
07:52<Blas>ok know the lilo install command or a link to get some help on it?
07:52<crazyb0y>i recommend, to install lilo from source
07:52<padski>Blas, you can have both packages installed.
07:52<Blas>so remove grub first? apt-get remove grub
07:52<guillaume>amphi: seem that the module is not present in the module source of sid repository for kernel Linux version 2.6.24-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.24-4) ( (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:47:43 UTC 2008
07:52<padski>Blas, the install will run or recommedn lilo-config I think
07:52<crazyb0y>Blas: yes you have to edit manually /etc/lilo.conf after that just 'lilo -L' and it will install
07:53<padski>Blas, if you're never going to use it then removing grub sounds like a good idea
07:53<crazyb0y>Blas: intall lilo, and after that i'll help you to config it
07:53<Blas>will lilo-config write that file for me?
07:54<crazyb0y>Blas: dunno i've never used this lazy method =)
07:54<Blas>lol ok
07:54<padski>netcfg suggests etherconf for non- d-i use, but etherconf is lonf dead. is there something else ?
07:54<crazyb0y>Blas: if you tell me the name of your kernel image and your boot partition i'll give you what to put into your lilo.conf =)
07:55<Blas>padski, crazyb0y: e for me?
07:55<Blas><crazyb0y> Blas: dunno i've never used this lazy method =)
07:55<Blas><Blas> lol ok
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07:55<crazyb0y>Blas: ?
07:55<Blas>oops sorry
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07:55<Blas>thats what I meant to paste
07:56<Blas>I think that looks about right
07:56<crazyb0y>but you have to edit lilo.conf =)
07:56<crazyb0y>just a second
07:57<padski>crazyb0y, what is that -L option ?
07:57<crazyb0y>LBA option
07:58<padski>crazyb0y, isn't there somethign like lba32 you put in lilo.conf ?
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07:58<crazyb0y>padski: yes sure, but i'm an old user of lilo and i don't use lazy methods =)
07:58<Blas>crazyb0y: ok I find YOURKERNELIMAGE in the grub config I'm guessing
07:58<crazyb0y>it's equal
07:59<crazyb0y>Blas: sure you can find it there..
07:59<Blas>crazyb0y: I know I have to use pci=nomsi on this system... will that replace pci=noacpi ?
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07:59<crazyb0y>Blas: yes if you have an extra apend you want to put there, just put into apend instead of my append =)
07:59<padski>the symlinks in the root dir can be handy if you have them
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08:00<Blas>crazyb0y: right so pci=nomsi and pci=noacpi can be put together along side?
08:00<crazyb0y>Blas just put only your append
08:00<Blas>how come?
08:00<crazyb0y>what was it, i forgot your append =)
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08:01<crazyb0y>append = "pci=nomsi"
08:01<Blas>and ignore your 3?
08:01<crazyb0y>if you want to use acpi =)
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08:02<Blas>lol ok, so thats a complete lilo.conf with 'average' settings found by default
08:02<Blas>obviously more unique to your PC maybe>
08:02<crazyb0y>check your kernel image
08:03<crazyb0y>Blas: i have only hosting servers, and they need extra appends, like if the kernel panic, to reboot and boot the next one kernel in the menu
08:03<crazyb0y>and many others =)
08:03<Blas>right ok, understood
08:03<crazyb0y>and we don't use acpi, so we define it in this append i gave you =)
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08:04<crazyb0y>Blas: if you don't want to use 'lilo -L' you have to put a line 'lba32' into your lilo.conf and after that you have to use only 'lilo'
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08:07<Blas>how 'normal' is lba32 ?
08:07<crazyb0y>what do you mean ?
08:07<Blas>how do I know if I do or don't want it!
08:08<crazyb0y>Blas: you need it if you hard disk is LARGE
08:08<Blas>80gb? :D
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08:08<crazyb0y>doesn't matter if you put into your lilo.conf or everytime you type 'lilo -L'
08:09<crazyb0y>it's equal
08:09<crazyb0y>but you need that =)
08:09<Blas>I'm confused again, do I or don't I need it
08:09<crazyb0y>you need it!
08:09<Blas>and I use lilo -L to use it
08:09<crazyb0y>it's your choice: 1. to put "lba32" into your lilo.conf or everytime you install lilo with 'lilo -L' option
08:10<Blas>below image= ?
08:10<crazyb0y>no matter =)
08:10<padski>Blas, blast from the past for you:, see standard disclaimer
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08:10<crazyb0y>i recommend it to exist on the first line of your lilo.conf
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08:13<padski>if I purge all the optional packages from my system, what is the worst thing that could happen ?
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08:13<weasel>you have to dkpkg install them again?
08:14<padski>so I can just purge lvm then ?
08:14<weasel>if you don't need it
08:14<padski>just a random thought ...
08:14<padski>oh! and those kernel images ...
08:14<guillaume>is it normal that I can't find hw-detect in deb unstable main non-free contrib repository ?
08:15<padski>and udev ...
08:15<crazyb0y>padski: i don't understand what you want to do =)
08:15<weasel>if you don't need them.
08:15<padski>so true!
08:15<weasel>you might need them, but they are not essential.
08:15<weasel>if you break your system you get to keep both pieces.
08:16<padski>there no kernel in essential, right ?
08:16<Blas>crazyb0y: one last thing - I don't want lilo installing to the MBR
08:16<padski>weasel, can I sell them on ebay ?
08:16<weasel>it's not essential to have your kernel installed locally
08:16<Blas>crazyb0y: Can I use.... lilo /dev/sda1 ?
08:16<weasel>you could for instance get it over the net, or from a floppy, or ..
08:16<crazyb0y>Blas: just 'lilo'
08:16<padski>weasel, funny enough, this is one of those cases
08:17<Blas>crazyb0y: but I haven't specified where I want Lilo to install
08:17<crazyb0y>Blas: it's configured by the lilo.conf
08:17<padski>I'm distrubed to see that vim is not considered essential ;-)
08:17<Blas>in there is only what things it can boot
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08:17<crazyb0y>if you use boot = /dev/sda it will install on MBR if you use /dev/sda1 it will install on the boot partition
08:17<weasel>padski: no editor is.
08:18<Blas>crazyb0y: marvellous, I'll put that after the top lba32 line then
08:18<padski>weasel, echo "foo" > bar
08:18<weasel>that's not an editor.
08:18<crazyb0y>Blas: please paste to me your lilo.conf before you reboot =)
08:18<crazyb0y>it's better idea, if you want to boot your system properly =)
08:18<padski>weasel, enough for really tight spots
08:19<Blas>crazyb0y: I use my own boot manager in the MBR you see :P I don't trust either grub or lilo not to muck up :D
08:19<Blas>ill paste before I reboot
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08:19<crazyb0y>your own boot loader in the MBR ? =))
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08:30<Blas>crazyb0y you still about?
08:30<crazyb0y>yes i'm here
08:30<Blas>XOSL is a graphical boot loader, quite good actually - goes on its own partition so nothing can interupt it
08:30<Blas>got what grub says
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08:30<crazyb0y>what grub says ?
08:30<Blas>i.e. in the menu file
08:31<Blas>kernel /boot/vmlinux- root= ro quiet vga=791 single
08:31<Blas>initrd /boot/initrd.img-
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08:32<Blas>you said to tell you what I put in lilo before rebooting - not sure which of those two lines is your YOURKERNELIMAGE line
08:32<Blas>I'm guessing /boot/vmlinux- ?
08:33<crazyb0y>kernel /boot/vmlinux- root=
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08:33<crazyb0y>it's missing, maybe that's the reason your grub don't want to boot your system
08:33<crazyb0y>root = ?? where's the definition ?
08:33<Blas>there isn't one
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08:34<Blas>but I have problems booting LiveCD's that use grub at the beginning too as well
08:34<Blas>they can't all have that line
08:34<crazyb0y>your kernel image is /boot/vmlinux- your root is /dev/sda1 and your initrd is /boot/initrd.img-
08:34<crazyb0y>Blas: paste to me your grub's menu.lst
08:34<Blas>so append initrd=/boot/initrd.img- ?
08:35<crazyb0y>just a second
08:35<crazyb0y>i'll give you a config file
08:35<crazyb0y>MBR or boot partition you prefer ?
08:35<Blas>lilo on /dev/sda1 preferred
08:35<Blas>because your lilo.conf makes no mention of initrd I'm confused :D
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08:36<crazyb0y>just a second please
08:36<Blas>ok -and thank you!
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08:37<mfroment>hi all
08:37<mfroment>is there any dns cache expert here?
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08:38<crazyb0y>morsupil: me, but one moment please
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08:38<gsimmons>morsupil: Just go ahead and ask your real question.
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08:38<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
08:39<morsupil>My prole
08:39<morsupil>my problem
08:39<morsupil>I'm using maradns
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08:39<morsupil>and it seems that maradns have something strange wth his cache
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08:40<crazyb0y>morsupil: sorry i can't help, we are using only djbdns and bind
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08:40<morsupil>my question is more about the dns protocol
08:41<crazyb0y>ask it
08:41<Blas>crazyb0y: wow thanks
08:41<morsupil>I don't know why maradns check for a cname record in his cache when a record has expire
08:41<morsupil>Is this normal?
08:41<crazyb0y>morsupil: it's a question about maradns =)
08:42<crazyb0y>if the cache is expired, there's no CNAME if you deleted it before the cache expired
08:42<morsupil>I'm not sure but I think it's stupid
08:42<bloupotlood>Hi guys :)
08:43<crazyb0y>morsupil: if the zone cache was expired, and the CNAME is deleted before it, there must be NO CNAME record
08:43<bloupotlood>any good Utorrent type applications for Ubuntu? anyone know?
08:43<morsupil>We cannot have the same record for a cname a in database isn't it?
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08:43<crazyb0y>no record in the zone file, no cache, because it was expired, so there's no CNAME record now!
08:44<crazyb0y>morsupil: what do you mean the same ?
08:44<crazyb0y>CNAME is unique
08:44<morsupil>as an example
08:44<crazyb0y>you can have many CNAME's but unique!
08:44<morsupil>I request
08:44<morsupil>the A entry in cache for has expired
08:45<morsupil>Is there any reason to look in the cache for a CNAME ?
08:45<crazyb0y>Asecure is a CNAME for which has A record to IP?
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08:46<crazyb0y>i don't understand your question.. excuse me..
08:46<crazyb0y>answer to me
08:46<crazyb0y>Asecure is a CNAME for which has A record to IP?
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08:46<morsupil> is a A record
08:46<crazyb0y>as i told =)
08:46<morsupil>but it seems that maradns check for a CANME
08:46<padski>morsupil, NXDOMAIN
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08:47<crazyb0y>secure( IN A
08:47<crazyb0y>Asecure CNAME secure
08:47<crazyb0y>is that your config ?
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08:48<crazyb0y>if you remove secure, there's no record for Asecure because it needs the record you deleted
08:49<morsupil>Mar 12 16:14:33 maradns.etc_maradns_mararc: Query from: Asecure.myspace
08:49<morsupil>Mar 12 16:14:33 maradns.etc_maradns_mararc: Looking for \006secure\007myspace\003com\
08:49<morsupil>000\000\001 in DNS cache
08:49<morsupil>Mar 12 16:14:33 maradns.etc_maradns_mararc: \006secure\007myspace\003com\000\000\001
08:49<morsupil>found at 0x8122088
08:49<morsupil>Mar 12 16:14:33 maradns.etc_maradns_mararc: \006secure\007myspace\003com\000\000\001
08:49<morsupil>has expired at 0x8122088
08:49<morsupil>Mar 12 16:14:33 maradns.etc_maradns_mararc: Looking for \006secure\007myspace\003com\
08:49<crazyb0y>use pastebin!
08:49<morsupil>000\000\005 in DNS cache (CNAME lookup)
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08:49<morsupil>Mar 12 16:14:33 maradns.etc_maradns_mararc: \006secure\007myspace\003com\000\000\005
08:49<morsupil>is a psudo-NXDOMAIN (CNAME) at 0xb43cad0
08:49<morsupil>here is the maradns log
08:49<petemc>quit pasting
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08:49<crazyb0y>what a stupid look has this maradns =)
08:50<davity>what it's the differecne between debian etch and lenny?
08:50<petemc>davity: lenny is testing, etch is stable, testing has newer packages but more bugs
08:50<padski>I can't get seem to qemu -nographic to work on etch :-(
08:50<petemc>and some missing packages
08:50<crazyb0y>morsupil: i don't uderstand where's the problem
08:51<crazyb0y>the query is lookin at all where's the host you are looking for
08:51<davity>then, what do you recomend me?
08:51<davity>i'm using linux for 1 year
08:51<crazyb0y>if it can't find, there's NXDOMAIN
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08:51<morsupil>the problem is that maradns return NXDOMAIN for instead of the IP
08:51<crazyb0y>if it find, it will be the record you putted in
08:51<morsupil> exist
08:52<crazyb0y>in the maradns config ?
08:52<morsupil>I've put nothing
08:52<crazyb0y>where it exists ?
08:52<padski>davity, if etch does what you need then use etch
08:52<morsupil>maradns is only use as a cahe server
08:52<crazyb0y>aah not owning the zone ?
08:52<morsupil>no no
08:52<morsupil>only cacin
08:53<crazyb0y>so reload the cache
08:53<davity>I need that it run with the minimun problems as soon as posible
08:53<morsupil>this is not a solution
08:53<crazyb0y>i don't see where's the problem
08:53<morsupil>because the problem come back when the cache expire
08:53<crazyb0y>maradns was cached that the host you are looking for is not existing
08:54<crazyb0y>you have to reload the cache ot wait for the expire
08:54<padski>davity, etch is the stable release, that is what it is for. new hardware/drivers can sometimes be an issue.
08:54<morsupil>but he cache that the CNAME record does not exist
08:54<crazyb0y>maybe a little timeout must be the reason to cache it with NXDOMAIN
08:55<crazyb0y>morsupil: why don't you use a real DNS server ?
08:55<morsupil>when I reload the cache the problem reapears arround 10 minutes
08:55<morsupil>Maradns is a real DNS server
08:56<Blas>crazyb0y: when I chroot in and mount proc... I can't get net access, it claims /dev is binded to /target/dev/ but still no network
08:56<morsupil>and is more powerfull than bind
08:56<Blas>so no installing lilo
08:56<morsupil>for cache
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08:56<crazyb0y>morsupil: hehe good luck boy =)
08:56<crazyb0y>we are a free dns hosting company =) believe me maradns is not good!=)
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08:57<crazyb0y>Blas: paste to me what are you trying to do
08:57<crazyb0y>i mean.. mount... chroot....
08:57<Blas>. /dev/shm/network/ifstate exists but /target/dev/shm/ is empty even tho it is a bind
08:57<Blas>its the same instructions from before i showed you
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08:58<crazyb0y>Blas: why do you need a net at now ?
08:58<Blas>to get lilo
08:58<crazyb0y>install lilo, and boot it properly
08:58<bruce_>what did i do wrong? when trying to mount an external USB 300GB NTFS drive I get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
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08:58<Blas>crazyb0y: I can't get lilo tho!
08:58<crazyb0y>Blas: are you on this pc now? with live-cd?
08:59<Blas>I'm still in the livecd
08:59<crazyb0y>download it
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08:59<crazyb0y>and put into the mounted partition
08:59<Blas>I mount binded deb, I chrooted, I mounted proc, and I can't apt-get lilo
08:59<crazyb0y>i told you, use a source!
08:59<crazyb0y>download it from the live-cd connection
08:59<crazyb0y>and copy it to your mounted partition
08:59<Blas>ok fine I've got the source! :D yay I did that BUT!
08:59<crazyb0y>chroot, and install it
09:00<Blas>it need the kernel headers
09:00<Blas>back to square one
09:00<crazyb0y>do you have a boot cd with debian ?
09:00<Blas>the livecd I'm using is debian based, called Dreamlinux
09:00<crazyb0y>do you have a boot cd with debian ?
09:00<Blas>not live anyway
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09:02<Blas>I think your missing what I'm saying... I don't have net access when chroot'ed in on sda1... so I can't apt-get or use the Lilo ./QuickInst script from the source tarball as it needs the kernel headers (also something in apt-get)
09:02<Aleric>Oh man- I wish I had asked money for this...
09:02<crazyb0y>Blas: heh
09:02<Aleric>This is unbelievable...
09:02<amphi>for what?
09:03<Aleric>amphi: I wrote a new utility, apparently the first of it's kind :)
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09:03<amphi>to do what?
09:03<crazyb0y>Blas: tell me how do you installing lilo from source ? =)
09:03<Aleric>After putting a HOWTO on the net, ending with telling people to mail me if they want the source... I got 100 requests within 24 hours, and it's still going on.
09:03<crazyb0y>do you use apt-get again ? =)
09:04<Blas>I downloaded
09:04<Aleric>It seems a copy of my HOWTO is being posted to MANY mailinglist, people 'saw my article' on about everywhere.
09:04<crazyb0y>bin.static ?
09:04<Aleric>> My name is Laszlo and I read an article about your recovery tool on
09:04<Aleric>> (Hungarian Unix Portal) then visited your website. The tool
09:04<Aleric>> you created is very useful!
09:04<Blas>tar -zxf it... and read the README which said I can use ./QuickInst
09:04<crazyb0y>i told you SOURCE
09:04<Aleric>huh huh :)
09:04<Blas>sorry wrong link
09:05<amphi>Aleric: what the hell is it? ;)
09:05<Blas>I mean that one
09:05<aptituz>amphi: "a recovery tool" didn't you read it? :D
09:05<crazyb0y>Blas: install it
09:05<Aleric>You should have hear of it by now?!
09:05<Blas>crazyb0y: I CAN't! damn it!
09:05<amphi>oh, ok, ext3 undelete, thanks ;)
09:05<crazyb0y>Blas: paste to me the error
09:05<Blas>It asks for kernel headers which I can't get as I've no network!
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09:06<crazyb0y>Blas: download a source again =)
09:06<Blas>oh ffs
09:06<Blas>are you out of ideas I take it?
09:06<amphi>Aleric: no, no one ever tells me anything
09:06<crazyb0y>Blas: i have the best idea, you need a boot cd with debian, and when you pass a right boot command, you can boot into your debian and install lilo
09:07<Blas>the right boot command being?
09:07<amphi>Aleric: your howto looks interesting, I shall read it later
09:07<bruce_>does etch come with ntfs-3g support or do I need to download it?
09:08<gsimmons>bruce_: It's available as a backported package.
09:08<Blas>its in backports
09:08<gsimmons>!tell bruce_ -about ntfs-3g
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09:09<crazyb0y>Blas: boot: kernelimage root=/dev/sda1 noinitrd ro
09:09<crazyb0y>something like that =)
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09:13<crazyb0y>Blas: try it from the livecd, if it has a boot prompt
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09:15<Blas>does'nt matter ive had enought
09:15<Blas>im just gonna reinstall debian
09:15<crazyb0y>it;s not needed
09:16<Blas>yes but on the good side I know it will work
09:16<crazyb0y>but if you want it.. =)
09:16<gsimmons>Blas: Have you tried using d-i's rescue mode, to install your desired bootloader?
09:16<gsimmons>!rescue mode
09:16<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
09:17<Blas>will that take control of my existing /dev/sda1 with grub actually on the sda1 != MBR and replace with LILO ?
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09:17<bruce_>does the error "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" man I have a problem with ntfs-3g? I have downloaded and installed w/fuse
09:17<gsimmons>Blas: You'll need to instruct it regarding your root partition, but yes.
09:18<Blas>gsimmons where can I get some info on this 'rescue' mode - do I just type rescue instead of install and follow the prompts?!
09:18<guillaume>after the loading of 'Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac' I have this output 'hpet_resources: 0xfed00000 is busy' in dmesg. I'm still trying to make hwclock run on my Dell xps m1710 Sid laptop...
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09:19<crazyb0y>Blas: there you can type kernelimage root=... instead of rescue and install
09:19<gsimmons>Blas: Read up. dpkg has already told you.
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09:19<Blas>gsimmons no dpkg has given me a link to some crazy wiki article about LVM
09:19<crazyb0y>just type rescue =)
09:19<Blas>ok thanx
09:20<meandtheshel1>hi folks, I was wondering, is there any other URI than "deb stable non-free" in order to get the most up-to-date skype package? I am on DebianGNU/Linux (sid).
09:20<Blas>thing is I'm not actually rescueing tho am I?
09:20<Blas>I don't _want_ grub... will it be ok?
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09:21<crazyb0y>yes install lilo
09:21<Blas>rescue will install lilo for me?
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09:23<Blas>gsimmons - thanks but no thanks
09:23<crazyb0y>you have to install it, after you enter the rescue mode
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09:25<Blas>oh I see rescue mode will mean the ISOLINUX on the bootable CD just directly boots sda1 bypassing the grub?
09:25<Blas>and then I can apt-get install lilo ?
09:26<crazyb0y>something like that =P
09:26<Blas>exacltly or not ?
09:26<Blas>because if it tries accessing grub - it's game over!
09:26<petemc>why not use grub2?
09:26<Blas>sure i'd love to
09:27<Blas>apparently that works
09:27<petemc>is anyone stopping you?
09:27<Blas>but I've got instructions on replaceing grublegacy with lilo - not with grub2
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09:32<bruce_>I've installed ntfs-3g, but still get the "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" error when pluggin in the usb drive. What am I doing wrong?
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09:35<albertux>hola a todos
09:35<albertux>tengo un problema en debian me aparece un miissing operating systema
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09:36<albertux>al momento de arrancar
09:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:36<albertux>ok thank's sorry ... :s
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09:38<albertux>but some can't help me (sorry for my english but i need more practise) =)
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09:39<crazyb0y>albertux: try to ask here in english =))
09:39<albertux>i have a problem with de boot on my debian, because
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09:39<albertux>in the start
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09:40<albertux>give me a messages
09:40<albertux>missing operaing system
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09:41<albertux>yesteday in the night i try to put the knoppix in a us pendrive
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09:42<crazyb0y>albertux: you need to use your debian boot cd to repair this problem
09:42<albertux>i have work knoppix in the same machine
09:42<crazyb0y>try to use rescue mode
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09:42<crazyb0y>albertux: put debian and knoppix into your grub menu.lst then
09:42<albertux>grub don't work
09:43<crazyb0y>what do you use for boot loader ?
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09:43<albertux>but the grub don't work
09:43<crazyb0y>OK, boot in rescue mode, and repair your grub by editting the menu.lst
09:44<albertux>in knoppix mount a /dev/sda partition and put the chroot in the mount directory
09:44<crazyb0y>if you prefer that and know what you are doing, ok
09:45<albertux>write a grub-inatall /dev/sda1
09:45<albertux>/dev/sda and don't work
09:45<jm_>albertux: it's not enough to mount it in knoppix
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09:45<crazyb0y>today will be a loong day with boot problems =P
09:45<albertux>ok i'm go to the debian-es thank all you
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09:46<crazyb0y>albertux: boot in rescue mode
09:46<albertux>than's again
09:46<crazyb0y>and repair your menu.lst by editting it
09:46<albertux>but how put the rescue mode
09:46<crazyb0y>after that try grub-install ...
09:46<albertux>if grub doesn't work ????
09:46<crazyb0y>albertux: i told you, you need a boot cd with debian
09:46<albertux>a ok
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09:48<albertux>thank all
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09:48<albertux>really my english in to bad ... sorry for the time =)
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09:56<qq>may I suggest you to put your source on a paste sever, so you may discharge your mail , but only my stupid thought
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10:05<padski>is there a way to make my favourite text editor enforce the grammar of a config file ?
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10:06<berto>it depends on what your favourite text editor is
10:07<padski>berto, if it can do that, it may be in the running
10:07<berto>define "enforce the grammar"
10:08<engywuck_>syntax highlighting should be in the most editors, if that's what you mean
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10:09<padski>yeah, I'm thinking offering multiple choices, perhaps being awkward at navigate away or save time.
10:09<Aleric>qq: I can put it on my home page. I WANT people to mail me, so I have an idea how many people are using it.
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10:09<padski>engywuck_, but yes, thanks, I hadn't thought about that.
10:09<petemc>Aleric: you can log downloads
10:09<padski>Aleric, use gnash ;-)
10:10<Aleric>petemc: That's not the same - it's vague. These people take the time to write me a mail and write lovely things, I like it the way it's now ;).
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10:10<petemc>Aleric: would you like to have to mail everyone who wrote the software that constitutes debian?
10:10<Aleric>I'll make an account on savanah or something, then it's easy for download by anyone without mailing me.
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10:11<petemc>im just playing devils advocate, i dont really care
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10:11<Aleric>No - and when I started this I had no idea that 100 people would want it in such a short time. I was thinking more about one per month, lol.
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10:11<Zathras>hi. Update after update IceDove and especially IceWeasel suffer from beyond kingsize memory leaks. Any insights on this subject please?
10:12<Zathras>is it and remains it an upstream issue?
10:12<qq>Aleric: yes I agree whit you , sorry for my thought
10:12<Aleric>This shifts my priority more towards that project though... if enough people are using it, I can put more time into it.
10:12<bruce_>if I want to make the windows read-write for all users on boot would the line in fstab be: /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g user,defaults 0 0 ?
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10:12<bruce_>windows partition sorry
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10:13<kop>Zathras : Guessing, yes. There's hope for FF3.
10:14<operal>i'm trying to perform a netinstall of debian on a sparc machine, and while in the install i can't seem to enter a console by alt+fX
10:14<operal>is it something im doing wrong?
10:15<operal>it is performed over a serial interface/minicom
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10:15<Zathras>kop: ty. I hope so too. As this is very nasty and messy
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10:16<bruce_>operal: thought it was ctrl+alt+F1?
10:16<operal>bruce_: isnt that just something you need while in X?
10:16<operal>ill try
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10:20<jm_>operal: no such thing with serial console
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10:32<operal>I was able to get to the shell by selecting "Execute a shell" in the installer menu, turns out you actually have some more tools then running a "help" lets you know :)
10:33<petemc>alt f2
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10:34<operal>petemc: doesnt seem to work over my serial interface
10:34<operal>it just reloads the menu
10:35<operal>anyway, i finally found my way to lsmod/modprobe
10:37<operal>thanks for helping out
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10:55<jean_>I need to use apt-get to install texlive* except the different -lang- packages. How do I do this. I guess this is more of a grep question rather tahn apt-get
10:55<jean_>but any help is greatly appreciated
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11:02<engywuck_>apt-get install -s `apt-cache search texlive | grep ^texlive | grep -v "\-lang\-" | cut -d" " -f 1`
11:02<engywuck_>for real installation remove the -s
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11:04<engywuck_>the part in the `...` searches for any package relating to texlive, sorting out all that have a name starting with texlive, removing any that have -lang- in them and finally gets only the package-name (apt-cache delivers a description, too=
11:04<engywuck_>ok, the cut coul go before the greps...
11:04<engywuck_>and perhaps should, if there's a -lang- part in any description... hmmmm
11:05<engywuck_>apt-get install -s `apt-cache search texlive | cut -d" " -f 1 | grep ^texlive | grep -v "\-lang\-"`
11:05<zedboy>it's time for a little gtkglarea !!
11:05<philipp>i have a problem
11:06<philipp>i have uninstalled the envy software
11:06<philipp>since that all windows and buttos are bigger and i have no driver
11:06<philipp>how can i install the nvidia driver?
11:07<engywuck_>!tell philipp about nvidia
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11:08<lupine_85>envy? in Debian?
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11:10<philipp>sorry but this ist the worsest tut ive ever seen
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11:10<philipp>how can i install the kernel modul?
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11:12<me>hi can someone tell me where i can define which prozesses will be loaded on system start
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11:15<dpkg>methinks init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel>
11:16<Zathras>philipp, there is no such thing as THE nvidea driver. There are various drivers you can chose from
11:16<philipp>which one shall i choose?
11:17<Zathras>aren;t you sure you are asking us the learn you how to speak fluent chinese in under 1 hrs?
11:17<Zathras>please read some docs
11:17<Zathras>and then ask specific questions
11:17<amphi>read?? what are you thinking of??
11:18<Zathras>damn. I forgot. thinking is ALWAYS optional
11:19<Zathras>philipp, for those who do not want to do anything: download the bin driver from nvidia and run the setup
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11:22<philipp>do you have a link?
11:23<Eckrall>philipp: just go to
11:23<Eckrall>its under drivers
11:23<Eckrall>then linux, it also has instructions on how to install
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11:24<Eckrall>you need to choose your model and suchlike, so we cant really just give you a link ;)
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11:29<csabi>Hello. I a wireless NIC with a Realtek RTL8187 chipset. I've downloaded the driver from, followed all the instructions in the wiki and installed it. The wiki says that an interface wlan0 should appear, but it doesn't.
11:30<E0x>csabi: what ifconfig show you ?
11:30<E0x>ifconfig -a
11:30<E0x>or iwconfig
11:30<csabi>Only eth0 and lo.
11:31<csabi>iwconfig does the same.
11:31<E0x>csabi: do you have the module up ?
11:31<csabi>Where can I post some dmesg output?
11:31<E0x>pastebin , see the topic
11:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:31<csabi>E0x: What does that mean?
11:31<E0x>csabi: what what ?
11:32<E0x>csabi: the module of the card , is up ? ( modprobed blablabla )
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11:34<csabi>E0x: I'm sorry, I don't know what you're speaking about, I'm very new to Linux. Just installed it, a week or so ago. Here's the link to the sourceforge wiki: .
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11:35<E0x>csabi: ok , let me see the link , and you can post the dmesg output in pastebin
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11:35<philipp>how can i find out wich grafikcard i have?
11:35<csabi>Here's the dmesg output.
11:35<E0x>ok , wait let me read
11:36<E0x>csabi: is usb ?
11:36<csabi>E0x: Yes.
11:37<E0x>now you have it connect ?
11:37<csabi>E0x: Yes.
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11:37<csabi>E0x: I see it with lsusb.
11:37<amphi>philipp: lspci | grep -i vga
11:37<E0x>and ifconfig -a , only show you the ethernet one ?
11:38<E0x>csabi: yes
11:38<E0x>showme the lsusb
11:38<csabi>E0x: Verbose?
11:38<E0x>yes please
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11:39<E0x>csabi: do you did every step in the how without error ?
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11:41<dserban>Amd64 java plugin? does it exist?
11:42<Gathond>dserban: no, I do think someone wrote a wrapper you can use
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11:42<E0x>csabi: is usb 2.0 ( the computer usb's ) ?
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11:42<Baggy2>I need to get the size of a directory including its subdirs, is it possible to do this on the command line? I am making scripts to autogenerate the build process...
11:43<dserban>Gathond, do you know what that's called?
11:43<Baggy2>the = a
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11:44<E0x>csabi: look like the usb machine is not 2.0 i dont have enogh power
11:44<cahoot>Baggy2: use du?
11:44<Baggy2>cahoot: Thanks, just found it myself
11:44<E0x>csabi: in the dmesg you can look when the device is disconnect
11:45<Gathond>dserban: nope
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11:45<Gathond>dserban: I'm pretty sure it was a general browser plugin thing, not just a java one
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11:46<csabi>E0x: power... I have USB 2.0 too, I'll give it a try. And yes, I've disconnected the device, but I've put it back.
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11:47<Baggy2>cahoot: du -sb dir =)
11:47<dserban>Gathond, ok, thanks I will check it out.
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11:49<csabi>E0x: I've reconnected the device to a USB 2.0 port, at least I think it is. Here's the new lsusb output: .
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11:51<E0x>csabi: and dmesg ?
11:51<csabi>E0x: Coming.
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11:52<csabi>E0x: .
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11:53<E0x>csabi: do a lsmod and paste it ( pastebin )
11:54<csabi>E0x: Does this seem like USB 2.0, I'm sure I have 2.0, but I don't know on which port. lspci says that I have a 2.0 controller.
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11:54<csabi>E0x: OK.
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11:54<csabi>E0x: .
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11:57<E0x>csabi: well everything look fine , i don't why the interface dont go show up
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11:57<E0x>csabi: do you do all step of the install without error ?
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11:58<Bearman>hi guys ... i need some help installing debian on a pc without keyboard ... i can connect it to a network ... so my idea was a cd-image which gets a ip-adress per dhcp and then wait for a openssh session to start the installation ... but ... i don't know how to create this :/ ... any other sugestions?
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11:59<csabi>E0x: I think so, the compile went without any errors, insmod didn't say anything. I've reconnected the device again, in another hub, in the dmesg output it now says that a high-speed device was connected, but still no wlan0.
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11:59<E0x>csabi: hub ?
11:59<E0x>try connect it direct to the machine
12:00<csabi>E0x: Sorry, no hub, it's directly connected.
12:00<boone>g'day people, i was wondering if anyone could give me a suggestion as to how to disable/avoid the logging of CRON/pam_unix to the auth.log-file, i've started using cacti to monitor hddtemp, and the auth.log gets totally spammed by doing so
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12:01<csabi>E0x: Here's something I've found on the sourceforge forums: . I did the grep and didn't find anything.
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12:04<E0x>csabi: what kernel you have ?
12:04<E0x> ( version i mean )
12:04<csabi>E0x: 2.6.22-3 .
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12:06<E0x>do you read this : Under Debian or Ubuntu with kernel 2.6.22, please use rev. 62 (rev. 52, 57 and > 63 doesn't compile rtl818x-newstack)
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12:08<csabi>E0x: Yes.
12:08<csabi>E0x: I've checked out the correct version.
12:08<csabi>E0x: Another thing, I also moved ieee80211 from /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/net/ . Should I try putting it back?
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12:09<E0x>csabi: no , that was the right thing to do , like the manual say
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12:10<csabi>E0x: I've just finished reading the thread from the forum that I've sent you. There are some interesting stuff, but I don't really know what they mean. Like echo -n "0x0bda 0x8197" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl8187/new_id .
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12:11<csabi>E0x: In the thread that say, that is working.
12:12<csabi>E0x: Should I try it? What should I do? make and insmod, like before? I assume this needs a restart or some "modprobe -r"s
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12:13<E0x>csabi: rmmod
12:13<E0x>csabi: try the echo thing firts
12:13<csabi>E0x: So I should rmmod everything that was insmod-ded, make the new driver, and ismod again, right?
12:13<csabi>E0x: OK.
12:13<darsie>How do I enable the PHP function http_get? "apt-get install php-pear"?
12:14<E0x>but using the csabi 8197 model
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12:16<csabi>E0x: I've already done it with 8197, now I've also done it with 8187.
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12:16<csabi>E0x: Nothing happened.
12:17<E0x>dmesg or ifconfig dont show notthing ? try ( with disconnecting the usb ) rmmod the module and modprobe it again
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12:17<bulio>can anyone point me to a guide on how to setup postfix on debian etch?
12:18<csabi>E0x: I also ran lshw, in fact lshw-gtk, and the wireless does not appear. Is this because the driver didn't recognize it? Should it appear anyway?
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12:19<E0x>i really don't now what happeb
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12:19<boone>anyone? is it possible to stop the logging to auth.log when cron/pam opens sessions?
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12:20<Baggy2>err.. sed is nice when transforming files, but what should I use when transforming text in variables, inside my bash script?
12:21<kop>Baggy2 : You can use sed there too, via echo piped to sed.
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12:21<Baggy2>kop: ah.. thanks =)
12:22<Baggy2>been a long day...
12:22<grummund>Any suggestions the best way to convert a batch of TIFF files to a single pdf please?
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12:23<petemc>grummund: convert from imagemagick
12:24<csabi>E0x: Thank's for your help. I'm currently reading the rmmod docs.
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12:29<csabi>E0x: I'm doing a reboot, and installing the modified driver again, using the scripts.
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12:31<kop>Baggy2: Also, check out man bash for ${parameter/pattern/string}
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12:32<pumpkin0>i want something like screen for X11 programs. I do not want a VNC-style thing (not the whole desktop, just one program). Is that possible and how ? Thanks.
12:32<kop>pumpkin0 : X11vnc will do vnc for single windows. Is that what you want?
12:34<pumpkin0>kop: thanks, will test that. I have 2 programs running on 2 different servers and 1 client screen showing them (+ other local stuff). full-desktop-sharing vncs take to much space and ssh -X style does not survive a client reboot ...
12:35<kop>pumpkin0 : There's also some sort of psudeo X server, but I don't remember the details at all... All I recall is that it did cool stuff.
12:36<Baggy2>kop: that's interesting
12:36<kop>Baggy2 : But probably very bash.
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12:39<kop>pumpkin0 : I think I'm thinking of Xnest.
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12:41<kop>Anybody know how to make a pdf from a XML DocBook document? xmlto no longer works because passivtex is no longer supported.
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12:44<kop>pumpkin0 : Be sure to use vnc4viewer not vncviewer. (IIRC)
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12:44<boone>Anyone know of a way to stop the logging in auth.log from PAM/CRON?
12:44<sebash>kop: imho it's not that trivial.. i always use apache ant / the docbook-xsls and apache fop
12:45<pumpkin0>kop: still testing this. It seems to work but it painful to start ...
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12:45<sebash>kop: i would suggest reading
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12:45<kop>sebash : Thanks. I've read that. I seem to recall fop is java?? Is it in etch?
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12:47<kop>sebash : (I was kind of hoping for something that would just "be there" in debian.)
12:47<sebash>kop: yes and so is ant and many xsl processors.. fop is in etch also but i don't know which version.. this can be a bit tricky .. especially if you want your PDFs to look nice
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12:47<csabi>E0x: It still doesn't work. I'm going to ask some questions on freenode.
12:48<sebash>kop: sorry i don't know that.. but good examples are hibernate and spring.. you can look how they generate their documentation
12:48<kop>sebash : They've never looked nice before, but one can always hope. (I've done a bit of fo-ish stylesheeting to help improve things, but I don't really want to mess with that.)
12:48<sebash>kop: aaah and there's a docbook framework from apache velocity
12:49<sebash>kop: the velocity stuff seems pretty easy and its documented
12:49<sebash>kop: but it's no aptitude install <> thingy
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12:51<kop>sebash: Thanks. I'll see what I can do when I've time to get into it. The other thing I thought of was to convert XML to SGML because there are SGML DocBook to PDF programs. (I forget exactly what, begins with an S I think.)
12:52<Baggy2>kop: err.. I kind a see that this can't be right, and it isn't... could you please give me a hint? installsize= echo `du -sb Build/opt` | `sed -e s/ Build\/opt//`
12:53<sebash>kop: i have no experience with SGML... but i once used dblatex ( but it had some quirks back then .. although you could test it
12:54<sebash>kop: and it's even in etch
12:54<kop>Baggy2 : du -sb Build/opt | sed 's\ Build/opt\\' Is that what you want?
12:55<kop>Baggy2 : Or: $(echo 'du -sb Build/opt' | sed 's\ Build/opt\\') (I'm not fond of backticks, I like $() instead.)
12:56<lupine_85>you can't use | inside `` anyway
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12:57<kop>sebash : It's 'jw' that's in etch, but does only SGML DocBook. FWIW.
12:58<sebash>kop: ah ok :) have you tried dblatex?
12:58<kop>sebash : Nope. It does XML?
12:59<sebash>kop: yes it converts docbook to latex and then to pdf
12:59<kop>sebash : Sounds like what I want. I'll see....
12:59<sebash>kop: good luck!
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13:00<kop>sebash : Thanks much!
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13:06<Baggy2>kop: Thanks =) This gave me what I wanted: installsize=$(echo `du -sb Build/opt` | sed -e 's/ Build\/opt//') But for some reason I had to change the ' with ` around du -sb Build/opt to make it work in the script. Any idea why?
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13:07<Baggy2>With the sed expression it was opposite. If I tried switching to ` it did not work...
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13:15<kop>Baggy2 : The echo does nothing.
13:16<kop>Baggy2 : Leave off both the echo and the backticks.
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13:17<pumpkin0>kop: the playing around with x11vnc was nice, but it is unusable: the keys are not correctly mapped and it crashs if i hit ; or /. Combos like ctrl-backspace do not work at all. Looks like something is really killing the keymap.
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13:18<kop>pumpkin0 : The tricky part of your requirements are the "screeny-ness" where you want to kill the display side....
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13:18<Baggy2>kop: tried that, but then the sed part doesn't seem to take effect
13:18<kop>pumpkin0 : You used vnc4viewer? (There seem to be 2 different viewers in etch, an old one and a new one, and the old does not work so well.)
13:19<pumpkin0>kop: tried both. It is the server that crashs, not the client. i know it is complex. i will continue to restart the apps very time the client restarts (takes ~8mins).
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13:23<kop>pumpkin0 : You can probably automate the restart process with ssh, key pairs, ~/.ssh/authorized.keys containing "command=". :-(
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13:23<pumpkin0>kop: that is full-auto, the programs take so log to start ...
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13:25<kop>Baggy2 : If just: du -sb Build/opt | sed 's\ Build/opt\\' works then it should work if you put it in $() and assign the result.
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13:27<Baggy2>kop: but it doesn't work.. like I said, the sed part does not take effect without the echo. Try that line in bash and replace Build/opt with any dir, and the dirname will get printed with its size. With the echo, however, it prints only the size.. beats me.. but it works =)
13:28<sercik>i have a problem
13:28<sercik>sorry wrong channel
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13:30<kop>Baggy2 : (foo=$(du -sb /tmp | sed 's\/tmp\\') ; echo $foo) works for me.
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13:31<kop>Baggy2 : You probably want to use "cut -d ' ' -f 1" (sans ") instead of sed. Or "awk '{print $1;}'"
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13:43<Baggy2>kop: I found the reason, though I don't understand why it is wrong.. I inserted a space after sed 's\/ because when looking at the du output, 232323 folder, it looks like there is a space..
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13:43<Baggy2>but if you do that, it wont work
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13:44<torrr>how do I write to syslog do I simply >> syslog?
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13:46<jaakko>torr: why do you want to write? Of course you can.. echo "my message" >> /var/log/syslog
13:47<padski>torrr, logger
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13:48<bighornram>hello, I'm having a resolution problem on a Dell XPS M1330 using Lenny 64bit, improper gnome panels for screen. have tried changing xorg.conf to no end, google talking about XF86Config-4 file, I don't have one.
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13:50<padski>bighornram, would that be debian or ubuntu ?
13:50<zedboy>Lenny doesn't sound like an animal with an emotion
13:50<padski>bighornram, sorry, you said
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13:50<padski>zedboy, unlike the author ?
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13:51<bighornram>Mobile Intel 965 Express Chipset Family
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13:51<padski>bighornram, what do you mean "improper gnome panels for screen" ?
13:51*zedboy was thinkin the same thing
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13:51<zedboy>those gnome panels ... they're ... improper! why, they're...indecent!
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13:52<bighornram>gnome panels stretch only 2/3 left to right and bottom panel is approx 3 mm above bottom of screen
13:53<boone>is anyone here skillful of syslog? i want to know how i can make it not log cron/pam_unix entries into the auth.log-file
13:53<padski>boone, man syslog.conf
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13:53<bighornram>screen resolution preferences lists 1024x768 with refresh rate 30Hz, needs to be 1280x800 / 60 Hz.
13:53<boone>padski, been there, no help
13:54<boone>or i didn't understand it enough to be helped
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13:55<padski>boone, grep auth /etc/syslog.conf
13:55<bighornram>looks like gnome doesn't know my screen is a widescreen
13:55<jaakko>bighornram: this has helped many people recently.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:55<avtobiff>bighornram, does x know it?
13:55<boone>padski, been there, seen it, same answer as above
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13:57<avtobiff>bighornram, and maybe try xrandr --size 1280x800
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13:58<bighornram>boone: how do I check this? using windows, I can move them the full screen, they go behind the bottom gnome panel
13:58<padski>boone the line which reads "auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log" in the default syslog.conf, instructs syslogd to write messages on the auth facility to the flie /var/log/auth.log.
13:58<boone>bighornram, wrong person ;).
13:59<boone>padski, what do i write to make it not write info concerning cron/pam?
13:59<bighornram>boone: ;) avtobiff
13:59<padski>bighornram, does the wallpaper or background cover the whole screen ?
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13:59<padski>boone, let me ask you this: why do you want to ?
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14:00<padski>bighornram, the panels can be configured. try right clicking them.
14:00<boone>padski, i'm running alot of cronjobs often, and auth.log gets too much unnecessary info in it
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14:01<padski>boone, so you just want to suppress those messages specifically ?
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14:01<boone>padski, yes
14:01<Baggy2>kop: one last question. I want to use variables inside the sed expression, like this: sed -e 's/\$oldinstallsize/\$installsize/ Build/DEBIAN/control' is that passible?
14:02<boone>when i actually try to find something significant in the logfile, there's so much cron/pam-lines in there it takes way too long to scroll through all the other crap
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14:03<bighornram>padski: I can change the size of the panels, and expand justifies to left side of screen, not all the way to the right side, also bottom one is not at bottom nor right side of screen
14:04<padski>boone, sysklogd doesn't do exactly that, I think that other syslog daemons may have that feature. but you might get somewhere using the priority. in any case, I'm not sure I see the problem. are you runnning out of log space, is it a performance issue ?
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14:05<boone>padski, nah, just something i don't want to have the way it is, trying to learn how to fix it
14:05<padski>bighornram, sorry, I don't use gnome day to day.
14:05<jaakko>Baggy2: yes you can, the safer form is ${oldinstallsize}. And if you quote, use double quotes.
14:06<padski>boone, well then the answer is that sysklogd does what it does and if you want fancier stuff look at one of the replacements.
14:07<Baggy2>jaakko: then why does sed tell me that expression #1 has unknown option when typing this, sed -e "s/${oldinstallsize}/${installsize}/ Build/DEBIAN/control", in my script?
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14:08<padski>boone, if i understood correctly there is a move afoot to change the debian default for lenny.
14:08<boone>lenny, is that another syslog daemon?
14:09<dpkg>lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>).
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14:14<jaakko>Baggy2: I'm testing...
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14:17<boone>padski, changing the priority did wonders, thansk
14:17<ZeuZ>Guys, is XMMS2 only command line? or has it got any GIU?
14:17<padski>boone, enjoy
14:18<jaakko>Baggy2: Try this: a=Dear; b=buggy; echo "My Dear Friend" | sed -e "s/${a}/${b}/"
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14:19<amizya>zeuz , of course it has a GUI
14:19<jaakko>Baggy2: Any problem with that?
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14:19<ZeuZ>amizya: Could you tell me wich GUI you preffer for it? esperanza, abraca or which one?
14:21<amizya>just type xmms& in terminal and it will start
14:22<ZeuZ>xmms& ?
14:22<ZeuZ>take in count that I use KDE not Gnome... just in case :)
14:23<jaakko>Baggy2: I think you should have.. sed -e "s/${oldinstallsize}/${installsize}/" Build/DEBIAN/control
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14:26<witte>ZeuZ: apt-cache show xmms2
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14:27<witte>ZeuZ: it states that you only get a command line client, but that you can use a gui interface for it if you want
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14:27<ZeuZ>but that GUI is bundled in the package or I need to install it from another package?
14:28<Baggy2>jaakko: It seems like there is a problem with the file. When I run the script in debug, the file gets printed to screen, and there it looks okay. But when I open the file, it hasn't changed...!?!??
14:28<witte>ZeuZ: apt-cache search xmms2
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14:30<jaakko>Baggy2: It should work that way. It prints the output, it does not replace original file. You can redirect the output to other file. sed -e "s/${oldinstallsize}/${installsize}/" Build/DEBIAN/control > new_control
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14:31<jaakko>Baggy2: check the result, and then cp new_control Build/DEBIAN/control
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14:32<jaakko>Baggy2: I think there is an option for replace in place. see "man sed"
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14:34<jaakko>Baggy2: seems to be "sed -i" edit files in place
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14:36<jaakko>Baggy2: So this is what you finally need: sed -i -e "s/${oldinstallsize}/${installsize}/" Build/DEBIAN/control
14:36<Baggy2>jaakko: Thanks =)
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14:37<Baggy2>all of these commands are pretty complicated... especially when you don't use them that often ;)
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14:43<jaakko>Baggy2: are you building a debian package? Just curiosity..
14:43<Baggy2>jaakko: yes
14:43<Baggy2>jaakko: making scripts to speed up the build process
14:45<jaakko>Baggy2: Is it going to debian repository?
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14:45<mel>ola alquem de brasil
14:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:46<Baggy2>jaakko: In the future =)
14:46<jaakko>Baggy2: How do you create the man pages for package, some folder and gzipped?
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14:46*go7hic is using X-Sys v2.0.9 (
14:47<ak47>oi tem alguem ai
14:47<Baggy2>jaakko: currently it just include pdf user documents, but I'll make man pages when I have the time
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14:48<Baggy2>easier to demonstrate the graphical tools with images
14:49<Baggy2>err.. but I'm planning to make ASCII images too =)
14:49<Baggy2>jaakko -^
14:50<jaakko>Baggy2: I'll be updating aptitude to get your baggage some day, lol
14:51<Baggy2>jaakko: =) are you a programmer?
14:51<jaakko>Baggy2: Trying to be, wanna be
14:52<jaakko>Baggy2: But as shame it is, I started with Visual Studio, and I'm still learning linux and python
14:52<alaya>anyone know of any webcam app that does motion detection and recording?
14:52<Baggy2>well, I started out with html and visual basic ;-)
14:52<jaakko>alaya: I wrote my own motion detection software
14:53<Maulkin>alaya: motion
14:53<Baggy2>that's 14 years agi, though
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14:54<jaakko>alaya: it is actually pretty simple if you just compare two images. But I should improve it, taking too much cpu, or long time to handle one frame.
14:54<noli>how can I add in the pannel on my desk a bottom that when I click it it ask me all the option (shutdown, reboot, blockscreen etc..) ?
14:55<jaakko>Baggy2: have you written the program you are packagin now??
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14:55<noli>ok i did it
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14:56<Baggy2>it took 6 year to develop the tools I am packaging, and several skilled developers, I've just been working on it for a year or so
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15:04<Baggy2>jaakko: btw, what's the best way to get some text that has " " around it, but is in the middle of a random string (shell variable))
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15:07<jaakko>Baggy2: Do you mean text like this 'It was a "cold" day', and you would like to pick the word 'cold'?
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15:19<joshrulez2>hey, im having a problem with dpkg
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15:21<witte>joshrulez2: maybe you need to run apt-get update again
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15:22<jaakko>Baggy2: You could use regular expression in that case. Eg with sed: echo 'It was a "cold" day' | sed -e 's/".*"/hot/'
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15:22<Azoff>what has happened to
15:22<witte>joshrulez2: is that file present (/var/lib/dpkg/available)?
15:23<witte>joshrulez2: no full harddisk?
15:23<joshrulez2>but available-old is
15:23<joshrulez2>it's not full
15:23<joshrulez2>only 2% used
15:24<witte>joshrulez2: you could try to copy available-old to available, and see what that gives
15:24<joshrulez2>ok ill give it a go
15:24<joshrulez2>apt will now install
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15:25<joshrulez2>maybe just an old version of the available cache
15:25<witte>joshrulez2: I do not really have an idea what could have caused that
15:26<joshrulez2>mysql is failing to start also
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15:26<witte>joshrulez2: did you do something "nasty" in your /var?
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15:27<Baggy2>yeah, I figured that was the way to go
15:27<joshrulez2>with regards to nysql?
15:27<Baggy2>See ya all
15:27<witte>joshrulez2: both :-)
15:27<Baggy2>Vacation =)
15:27<witte>which debian are you running?
15:28<witte>joshrulez2: very strange
15:28<witte>joshrulez2: what error do you get with mysql
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15:28<witte>joshrulez2: and mysql worked before, right?
15:28<joshrulez2>when i /etc/init.d... it just fails
15:29<joshrulez2>yea for 3 months
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15:31<joshrulez2>all ive done recently is run fsck
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15:31<witte>joshrulez2: and that showed no errors?
15:32<joshrulez2>yes but fixed
15:32<alainolivia>good morning
15:32<alainolivia>quelquin parle francer
15:32<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
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15:37<joshrulez2>witte: any ideas?
15:38<witte>joshrulez2: not really, "it just fails" does not really helps in debugging
15:38<witte>joshrulez2: look in /var/log/mysql* for anything that could help
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15:39<joshrulez2>well, when i /etc/init.d/mysql start
15:39<joshrulez2>it fails
15:39<joshrulez2>and i looked in /var/log/mysql.log and mysql.err
15:39<joshrulez2>both were empty
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15:40<witte>joshrulez2: it fails, but no error message?
15:40<joshrulez2>just says starting mysql server ...... failed
15:40<joshrulez2>then returns me to prompt
15:42<witte>joshrulez2: you could put a "set -x" at the top of the /etc/init.d/mysqld file (right after #!/bin/bash)
15:42<joshrulez2>to make sure its +x?
15:42<joshrulez2>wait, -x
15:42<witte>joshrulez2: i believe it is -x
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15:43<joshrulez2>just loops a load of coce
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15:44*grummund somehow draged the gnome bar from the top of the screen to the side, how do i move it back please?!
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15:44<joshrulez2>is what it loops out
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15:46<witte>joshrulez2: what is in /var/run/mysql
15:46<joshrulez2>there is none
15:46<joshrulez2>there is a /var/run/msqld?
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15:47<witte>joshrulez2: ah, ok my fault
15:47<joshrulez2>but that is empty
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15:47<witte>joshrulez2: i have the impression that something is wrong with your /var directory
15:47<joshrulez2>that doesnt sounds fun.
15:47<witte>this is not a seperate partition that is mounted as rw or something?
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15:50<witte>joshrulez2: is mysqld now running? (ps aux |grep mysqld)
15:50<joshrulez2>the only return is my grep
15:50<witte>joshrulez2: try reinstalling mysql
15:51<witte>joshrulez2: i have no real solution available, but that could work
15:51<witte>joshrulez2: although you better wait untill there is someone here who really can help you
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15:51<joshrulez2>would that lose our databases?
15:52<witte>joshrulez2: it shouldn't :-/
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15:52<joshrulez2>ill back them up just in case
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15:52<witte>joshrulez2: yes, do that, better safe than sorry
15:53<joshrulez2>they are at /var/lib right/
15:53<witte>joshrulez2: i don't use mysql :-)
15:54<witte>joshrulez2: i know there is an export function once you have mysql running, but that won't be of any use to you
15:55<jaakko>The actual database table file are in /var/lib/mysql
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15:55<grummund>anyone know how to drag a gnome panel bar if there's no vacant space on it to grab?
15:56<witte>grummund: first remove some icons and put them back later
15:56<grummund>witte: ok i figured that... not a problem but is it the only way?
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15:57<witte>grummund: i don't use gnome, i don't even have a start button :-)
15:58<grummund>witte: oh well... that sounds a might fine idea to me
15:59<witte>grummund: btw: are there no move options when you right click on the bar?
15:59<grummund>witte: yes but there's no vacant space on the bar to click! ;-)
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16:00<grummund>problem was i accidentally dragged it from top to the side and so all the objects squashed up together
16:01<grummund>witte: what are you using if not gnome then? sounds very tempting right now
16:01<deadkode>KDE4 :)
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16:03<khaleel_>hello i am a debian noob . I just installed etch via dvd (etch rc0) i would like to know how to add repositories so i can download/upgrade packages via internet
16:03<khaleel_>which command/manual page should i refer to
16:03<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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16:08<grummund>i got the panel back to the top but there's no obvious way to shift the menu's back to the left end of the panel. grrr..
16:08<jaakko>Gnome has a registry, it is going to be really MS-like system, duh (except it is worse).
16:09<jaakko>I had it, but could not live with it. "Do you want to move images to hard drive -> yes" but nothing happens.
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16:09<jaakko>I added a ssh folder in nautilus, after that I could not access Epiphany's preferences without ssh-password!
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16:10<jaakko>Then I get to realize I could not remove AP's from wireless network manager. Allways automatically connecting, if you added it once...
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16:44<Marupa>Hey a system that I had just ported from VMware to a live server...and it keeps booting into read only mode...I'm not sure what's wrong cause it hangs on syslogd, and never drops me to a prompt. I have a livecd which I can mount the drive with, any ideas on how to clear this up?
16:44<joshrulez2>have you tried to mount it with write access?
16:45<Marupa>joshrulez2, in the livecd or on boot?
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16:45<Marupa>joshrulez2, how do I do that?
16:46<joshrulez2>mount /dev/hda whatever
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16:46<Marupa>I don't have a prompt to do that with.
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16:47<joshrulez2>ctrl + c
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16:47<Marupa>doesn't do anything.
16:47<joshrulez2>what is the error?
16:47<joshrulez2>pastebin your screen
16:48<Marupa>A) can't pastebin, B) there is no visible error, but it's mounting the drive as read only.,
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16:52<alaya>Marupa: boot from rescue cd and run fsck on it perhaps
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16:52<martin_>hey guys i need some help , i have a broadcom 4312 wireless rev 01 which lists in lspci i did everyhing on instgalling b43 and b43legacy but i still cant enable it in kwlan could anyone help?
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16:53<Marupa>alaya, Already did. Clean.
16:54<alaya>martin_: what about iwconfig and ifconfig?
16:54<blarson>Marupa: check /etc/fstab and your boot options. You should be able to boot with init=/bin/sh to avoid the startup scripts.
16:55<Marupa>blarson, fstab is fine, where do I put that line?
16:55<blarson>Marupa: You may need to mount -o remount /
16:55<Marupa>blarson, if booting into non-recovery mode, I don't even get a prompt.
16:56<blarson>Marupa: at the lilo prompt or edit your grub options.
16:57<martin_><alaya> ok now it works through kwlan it connects and everything but he net doesnt work and its not the router cuz im connecting through it from windows
16:57<Marupa>blarson, so a 'temporary fix' until it can boot, then?
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16:59<angry>hi, I'd like some help setting up an Evolution server and some clients, can someone help me?
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17:01<Marupa>blarson, ok, booted successfully to a prompt
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17:01<angry>hi, I'd like some help setting up an Evolution server and some clients, can someone help me?
17:01<Marupa>blarson, but for some reason I can't even see what drives are mounted (via df)
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17:06<gpb>i need help with wpa_supplicant and wpa AP
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17:06<gpb>iwconfig says it's connected
17:07<gpb>but with Encryption key:off
17:07<gpb>and dhclient just times out
17:07<gpb>WEP works on the same card....
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17:08<alaya>gpb: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ ?
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17:09<noli>may I know what is it ?
17:09<noli>localhost:/home/noli# cat /etc/resolv.conf
17:09<noli># generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
17:09<angry>hi, I'd like some help setting up an Evolution server and some clients, can someone help me?
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17:10<gpb>especially README.wpa_supplicant.conf.gz
17:10<alaya>gpb: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian
17:11<noli>what are those nameserver ?
17:12<noli>which ip are those ?
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17:12<gpb>it says to check for WE at least 18 there, I have 22
17:12<alaya>noli: man resolv.conf
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17:13<Marupa>How do I figure out which ethernet cards are configured for use?
17:13<gpb>my network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf are here:
17:15<martin_>fiiiiinally i didnt know i had to run dhclient after activating with kwlan
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17:16<gpb>ah, another wlan-user with problems ;-)
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17:17<gpb>any idea, alaya (and others)?
17:17<alaya>martin_: maybe try kwifimanager instead
17:18<alaya>gpb: is there a log file for wpasupplicant?
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17:21<guillaume>gpb: have you setup all wifi parameters in your /etc/interface file ?
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17:22<gpb>alaya: yes, there is a log file, but no entries for the last 10 minutes or so (entries ar not timestamped, so i manually added a line :))
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17:23<gpb>guillaume: you mean /etc/network/interfaces? see my paste-link above
17:24<gpb>alaya: the last entry before that was "Failed to initiate AP scan."
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17:28<Marupa>Anyone? I kinda need an ethernet interface here, kinda hard to do anything with a server that has no ethernet link. lsmod shows the card, but eth0 doesn't exist.
17:28<guillaume>gpb : yes, look at mine if it can help you
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17:32<tahnk>i've just installed debian, but going through the netinst, i didn't pick any dev libraries (or compilers). i'm trying to compile a new kernel. i've installed gcc, but i have no libraries... can i bring up something similar to the netinst tool to install the dev packages i need?
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17:34<cahoot>tahnk: you probably want kernel-package and build-essential (at least)
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17:42<Marupa>Any ideas on my ethernet card problem? it's a r8169 Gbit ethernet card, lsmod is showing a r8169, but the last portion is 0
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17:43<chealer>Marupa: use ifconfig
17:43<Marupa>only shows lo
17:44<chealer>Marupa: so there's no Ethernet card configured to be used.
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17:44<Marupa>chealer, and how do I fix that?
17:44<chealer>Marupa: what's the interface's name?
17:44<chealer>Marupa: do you use a DHCP server?
17:45<Marupa>statically assigned
17:45<zarchne>Is it in /etc/network/interfaces?
17:45<gpb>guillaume: same problem, dhcp gets no answer
17:45<Marupa>zarchne, yes
17:45<chealer>Marupa: # ifconfig eth0 <ip address> (until the next reboot)
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17:46<Marupa>SIOCSIFADDR: No such device.
17:48<chealer>Marupa: then you don't have an eth0. you must have the wrong interface name.
17:48<Marupa>chealer, ifconfig -a shows a eth1...but I have two cards in there and eth0 has always been that card.
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17:50<chealer>Marupa: then it's not active currently. maybe you're missing an LKM, for some reason
17:50<Marupa>chealer, and how would I check?
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17:50<zarchne>or incorrect module.
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17:51<guillaume>Marupa: may be it can be a bad udev rule
17:52<k-man>is there .debs of gnome-do anywhere?
17:52<Marupa>guillaume, and how would I fix that?
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17:52<chealer>Marupa: what did you mean by "the last portion is 0"? the last portion of what?
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17:53<Marupa>lsmod shows r8169 28360 0
17:53<zarchne>Oh, the usage count.
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17:54<zarchne>Marupa: that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
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17:55<lontra>gnome-do looks identical to katapult
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17:55<k-man>lontra, identical or similar functionality?
17:56<chealer>Marupa: do your logs say something about r8169?
17:56<zarchne>Marupa: is it possible the card is just dead?
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17:56<gpb>ok, I'll try again soon...
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17:56<guille>somobody speak spanish?
17:56<lontra>k-man: i don't know anything about functionality ... but it appears to be very similar
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17:57<zarchne>guille: did you try #debian-es?
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17:57<guillaume>Marupa: udev rules are in /etc/udev/rules.d you may look at z25_persistent-net.rules
17:57<Marupa>chealer, Yes
17:57<Marupa>zarchne, No
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17:57<k-man>lontra, yeah, it is, i'm currently using katapult, but i want to try gnome-do however it fails to compile on my system
17:57<SpAc>what it the best repository/way to upgrade to the latest gnome?
17:57<Marupa>guillaume, I altered /etc/network/interfaces, rebooted, and now it seems to be working on eth1
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17:58<lontra>k-man: did you follow this ->
17:58<lontra>k-man: good instructions for debian at the bottom for compiling
17:59<lontra>k-man: is it a mono app?
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18:02<k-man>lontra, yes it is, and the compile fails in mono somewhere afaict
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18:02<lontra>k-man: do you have all those dependencies installed?
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18:03<k-man>lontra, yes, and more that weren't listed there
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18:03<lontra>not sure then
18:03<k-man>lontra, no, me either
18:03<k-man>thats why i was looking for a precompiled version
18:03<lontra>k-man: maybe #debian-mono could help with your error?
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18:03<k-man>maybe i should try the ubuntu debs
18:04<k-man>lontra, hmm.. good id ea
18:04<k-man>ill check
18:04<lontra>k-man: that's probably also a good place to pester someone about packaging it ;)
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19:38<poiqwepoi>Hello All, I changed a mac addresses and interfaces eth0, eth1, eth2 were renamed eth3, eth4, eth5... how do I go on to reset interface numbering? Thank you.
19:38<dpkg>z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
19:39<alaya>poiqwepoi: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
19:39<alaya>poiqwepoi: or clear it out and run "/lib/udev/write_net_rules all_interfaces"
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19:40<poiqwepoi>alaya Thank you :)
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19:43<Entheogen>can someone tell me what is the difference between testing and unstable (sid and lenny)?
19:44<poiqwepoi>alaya, it worked thank you very much
19:47<amphi>Entheogen: sid is more likely to bite you ;)
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19:49<amphi>why does this kurumin fellow dart in and out thus?
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20:16<pilgrim>Just installed MySQL on Etch/KDE. Having trouble "entering" or "opening" files like file:///var/lib/mysql/mydatabase.
20:16<pilgrim>Any tips?
20:16<alaya>read the mysql documentation about how to work with databases
20:17<alaya>its on their website
20:18<pilgrim>alaya: BTDT as well as the man pages. But it's not helping. Could you point me?
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20:18<pilgrim>I've been stuck on the "File type unknown" alerts.
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20:19<dondelelcaro>pilgrim: why are you trying to open the database like that?
20:20<pilgrim>dondelelcaro: because I'm lost. I need to figure out how to change an installation spaz.
20:20<dondelelcaro>pilgrim: "installation spaz"?
20:20<pilgrim>Give me a moment and I'll try to clarify.
20:22<jaakko>pilgrim: if you want to configure it, that is totally wrong file.
20:23<pilgrim>I made a copy/paste error during install that I want to correct. ..ctd
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20:24<jaakko>pilgrim: You should not modify the database file directly, you access the database with other programs.
20:24<pilgrim>Database changed
20:24<pilgrim>mysql> insert into
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20:24<pilgrim>-> host(host,db,Select_priv, Insert_priv, Update_priv,
20:25<pilgrim>-> Delete_priv, Create_priv, Drop_priv)
20:25<pilgrim>-> values('windowsbox','%','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y','Y');
20:25<dondelelcaro>pilgrim: so use mysql to fix the mysql table, and please don't paste here.
20:25<pilgrim>Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec) end ...ctd
20:26<pilgrim>dondelelcaro; I'm kinda new all over. My apologies.
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20:32<Entheogen>guys, my wlan connection just broke up, and when i try iwlist scan it says operation not supported..
20:32<Entheogen>i've reloaded modules for wlan, even restarted pc...
20:32<Entheogen>what could that be?
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20:40<jaakko>Entheogen: Have you lost the interface totally?
20:40<jaakko>ifconfig -a
20:40<Entheogen>interface is still there
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20:41<jaakko>Are you sure it is the right one, not messing order? (other interfaces on same puter)
20:41<Entheogen>i've tried to load madwifi drivers and unload ndiswrapper... madwifi can scan but cannot connect on network
20:41<Entheogen>jaakko, i'm sure.. it worked fine 15 mins ago... for some reasons it stopped
20:41<jaakko>Entheogen: perhaps it got broken?
20:41<Entheogen>dmesg tells me smth like: ndiswrapper (set_scan:1212): scanning failed (C0010011)
20:42<gelinas>Simple question: I wish to install a testing package. What's the URL for testing in /etc/apt/sources.list and where's the canonical location for these URLs?
20:42<gelinas>Canonical location as in: documentation
20:42<Entheogen>how do you mean it got broken?
20:42<jaakko>Entheogen: hardware
20:43<jaakko>Entheogen: it happens some times... especially with poor GSM-usb modems I can tell you :D
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20:44<jaakko>deb testing main
20:44<Entheogen>it is atheros wlan adapter on my laptop :)
20:45<Entheogen>anyway i'm going to unload windows driver and reinstall ndis package
20:45<Entheogen>thanks anyway :)
20:45<jaakko>Entheogen: I have also unsolved problems with wlan
20:45<gelinas>jaakko: thank you
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20:46<Entheogen>wlan is very buggy on linux as far as i experienced...
20:46<jaakko>Entheogen: booting does not allways solve if the firmware does not get reloaded. You should really shut down for a while.
20:46<Entheogen>i have more problems with it on my desktop ...
20:47<jaakko>I think i have often problems after booting to windows and then back to debian.
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20:50<pooria>I can't install mkisofs by apt-get becuase It tell me this package is not exist anymore what I have to do ?:((
20:51<MoDaX>!info genisoimage
20:51<dpkg>genisoimage: (Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 542 kB, Installed size: 1324 kB
20:52<pooria>MoDax I have to use mkisofs nothing else :(
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20:52<MoDaX>pooria: genisoimage is a fork of mkisofs
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21:03<pooria>how can I burn Iso to a CD in Ubuntu ?
21:04<azeem>pooria: please ask in #ubuntu
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21:04<pooria>ops sorry I'm not in #Ubutun !
21:04<azeem>pooria: eh, on
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21:12<Replica>speak spanish?
21:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:39<yoursfaithfully>Hi - has flashplugin-nonfree been removed from the nonfree apt repositories?
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21:41<azeem>yoursfaithfully: in lenny, yes
21:41<azeem>and etch
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21:42<yoursfaithfully>Thanks - It's available through backports, right?
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22:04<esaym>anyway to change my email address on the debian mailing lists?
22:10<Hydroxide>esaym: unsubscribe with the old address and subscribe with the new one
22:10<Hydroxide>esaym: or if you just want to post with a different address, go right ahead - nonsubscribed addresses can post to them just fine
22:11<esaym>no I am changing to a new domain
22:11<esaym>thanks though
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22:45<arschknacker1>Caino hat den Kanal betreten
22:46<arschknacker1> Kanalmodi: Keine Nachrichten von außen
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22:48<Caino>i'm italian...
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22:48<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it.
22:49<Caino>blarson, i know, i only would like to understand: <arschknacker1> Caino hat den Kanal betreten
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22:59<noli>how can I make my system booting faster ?
22:59<noli>is there a way or something that I should learn to modify my kernel to make the booting faster ?
23:03<qq_on>use sidux ?
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23:03<noli>qq_on can u please more clear ?
23:03<noli>!tellme about sidux
23:04<noli>!tellme noli about sidux
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23:05<blarson>noli: I think the easiest thing with the bigest impact is changing /bin/sh to dash .
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23:05<noli>I use debian to play around because I like it... I am not really expert but to turn on my laptop it takes 2 minutes or a little more..
23:05<RIVE>Hello, good evenning.
23:05<noli>I want just to know what I should do to speed up this process
23:06<noli>something easy realatively easly..
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23:17<noli>qq, in english lol ?
23:17<noli>qq, found it
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23:20<noli>qq, is not really clear what is that sidux ? it is a program that I have to compile on my machine ? or what?
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23:23<qq>noli: non, in fact I suggest you to install this OS. is a Debian based on sid distribution , I just installed that and is fast .. very fast
23:24<qq>noli : you can join that channel at #sidux
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23:26<qq>noli: just now , if you wish
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23:40<nixe>Sup everyone, I was just wondering if Debian 3.1 is still supported / receiving updates. My crappy dedicated provider only offers me outdated Images to install like Fedora 6, And i'm not that experienced with Debian, is it still kickin' on?
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23:42<dpkg>methinks sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: Security support for Sarge finishes on March 31 2008 ( Ask me about <sarge->etch>.
23:43<nixe>lol sweet
23:43<nixe>omg, perfect. i got like, 15 more days of updates
23:44<blarson>nixe: if you have root, upgrading is pretty easy.
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23:45<nixe>blarson: yeah, thats what i thought -.- is absolutley hopeless, an update of FC6->FC7 should of been quite simple, everything should of worked, but the box didn't come back up after a reboot :/ - Blarson can Debian3.1 be updated quite easily with apt-get?
23:46<blarson>!tell nixe about sarge->etch
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23:46<nixe>you guys just got bots for everything huh xD
23:47<nixe>thanks ;)
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23:47<noli>I run sysv-rc-conf and I notice that gdm is in runlevel 2 3 4 5 ... doesnt this thing make slower my booting ?
23:49<ooJerry>I always recive nsplugview crashed
23:49<p_quarles>noli: it only loads runlevel 2 by default . . .
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23:49<ooJerry>what should I do?
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23:51<noli>p_quarles, what do u mean ?
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23:51<noli>why do I see it on 2 3 4 5 ?
23:52<p_quarles>noli: runlevel 2 is the "normal" run mode in Debian, but 3, 4, and 5 do essentially the same thing
23:52<p_quarles>the only way they would load, though, is if you passed the init command to the kernel from GRUB
23:52<noli>so I should deselect those level and leave just 2 or It is better if I dont touch anything ?
23:53<p_quarles>noli: removing them would have no effect whatsoever in the vast majority of cases
23:53<p_quarles>of course, you could always disable them all and use startx to run GNOME (what I do)
23:53<noli>so p_quarles how do I make my rebooting faster ? which files should I check ?
23:54<p_quarles>noli: well, I don't have links handy, but I've seen some guides to using sysv-rc-conf; basically, you can disable the processes you don't need
23:55<noli>p_quarles, I have that program opened in my console..
23:55<p_quarles>you can also use readahead, disable a couple of ttys (the default 6 is kind of excessive for many users)
23:55<noli>ttys ?
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23:55<p_quarles>noli: if you want to pastebin your /etc/rc2.d directory, I might be able to offer some pointers
23:56<noli>old on
23:57<p_quarles>tty = console; to see what I'm talking about, press ctrl-alt-F1 (ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to the X display)
23:58<noli>p_quarles, it looks like someone is killing my syslog at the booting..
23:58<noli>am I wrong ?
23:58<p_quarles>noli: not much wiggle room there; you could disable cupsys if you don't do much printing
23:59<p_quarles>are you talking about line 24? if so, then yes, you're wrong ;)
23:59<noli>line 2 3
23:59<noli>I dont do not print anything.. I dont even have a printer...
23:59<p_quarles>rmnologin? sorry, I'm not sure what that one does
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